Dylann Storm Roof’s Website Discovered, With White Supremacist Manifesto and Photos

A neo-Confederate white supremacist inspired by the Council of Conservative Citizens
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A website registered in February in the name of “Dylan Roof” (with his correct address) has been discovered, containing a white supremacist manifesto and dozens of photographs of Roof posing with guns and Confederate flags, visiting a Confederate soldier’s graveyard and other Confederate landmarks, and drawing white power symbols, neo-Nazi runes and the numbers “1488” in the sand on a South Carolina beach.

“14” refers to the infamous “14 words” coined by white nationalist David Lane, that have become a motto for neo-Nazis and racists throughout America:

“We must secure the existence of our people and a future for White Children.”

And “88” refers to the eighth letter of the alphabet, H, with two of them together standing for “Heil Hitler.”

The manifesto is here, but since it’s been publicized you may not be able to get through to the site; it’s apparently a low budget shared server and it’s bogging down badly under the heavy traffic. (Here it is at the Internet Archive.)

In any case, the manifesto is a grotesquely racist screed, filled with hatred toward blacks and Hispanics and obsessed with the very common conservative meme of “black on white crime.”

Roof credits the white supremacist group called the Council of Conservative Citizens with “awakening” him to “black on white crime,” following the shooting death of Trayvon Martin. And that’s an interesting parallel to Gateway Pundit Jim Hoft, who has also used the CCC website as a source numerous times for his racist blog posts.

The website of the Council of Conservative Citizens is apparently offline today, and that’s probably not just a coincidence.

I was struck by how similar the views in this manifesto are to the racist comments tweeted continuously by Chuck C. Johnson (when he still had a Twitter account) — and sure enough, I got a tweet today containing a screenshot of Chuck posting about the manifesto on Facebook, saying he found it “disturbing, yet engaging.”

I’ll conclude by pointing out that so many conservative pundits and Fox News talking heads were desperately trying to pretend there was some question about whether Roof’s horrible crime was racially motivated; now we know for certain that it was. (Not that there was really much doubt anyway, given his statements at the time.)

The right thing for these people to do now would be to eat some crow and apologize for trying to deny the obvious racism of this alleged killer. But I’m not going to hold my breath.

UPDATE at 6/20/15 3:09:58 pm by Charles Johnson

The New York Times has verified that this website was registered to Dylann Roof at his address in February of this year, and that it was last modified shortly before the shootings:

The website was first registered on Feb. 9 to a Dylann Roof in Eastover, S.C. The next day, the registration information was intentionally masked. The site was discovered by two Twitter users, @henrykrinkle and @EMQuangel, who used a tool to find any domain names registered to Mr. Roof. The registration information was then verified by The New York Times.

The site hosts a cache of photos of Mr. Roof as well as the manifesto. According to web server logs, the manifesto was last modified at 4:44 p.m. Eastern time on Wednesday, the day of the Charleston shootings. “At the time of writing I am in a great hurry,” it says.

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463 comments

1 Nyet  Jun 20, 2015 10:39:34am

Use this link:

web.archive.org

2 Dr. Matt  Jun 20, 2015 10:40:55am

Please redistribute as much as possible.

3 Amory Blaine  Jun 20, 2015 10:41:00am

The Conservative movement is the deliberate infection of confederate ideology that has taken hold of the whole country. Fiscal conservative is code for ending programs that help minorities and the poor and social conservative is code for religious bigot.

4 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Jun 20, 2015 10:41:05am

Breivik New World…

5 Nyet  Jun 20, 2015 10:42:09am
with hatred toward blacks and Hispanics

And Jews.

6 Dr Lizardo  Jun 20, 2015 10:42:32am

re: #4 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

Breivik New World…

I see what you did there……..

7 HappyWarrior  Jun 20, 2015 10:43:36am

re: #3 Amory Blaine

The Conservative movement is the deliberate infection of confederate ideology that has taken hold of the whole country. Fiscal conservative is code for ending programs that help minorities and the poor and social conservative is code for religious bigot.

Yep.

8 CriticalDragon1177  Jun 20, 2015 10:44:18am

As you can imagine, Wingnuts are desperately trying to blame Dylann Storm Roof’s actions on anything besides racism, usually to promote their pet cause.

Anything But Race: Right-Wing Pundits In Denial Mode Following Charleston Shooting
rightwingwatch.org

I’m thinking of doing a post on this later if I can get around to it.

9 Nyet  Jun 20, 2015 10:44:24am
obsessed with the very common conservative meme of “black on black crime.”

I don’t see him mentioning “black on black crime”, but I do see him being obsessed with “black on White crime”.

10 wrenchwench  Jun 20, 2015 10:44:38am

re: #5 Nyet

And Jews.

The haters favorite! They LOVE to hate Jews!

11 HappyWarrior  Jun 20, 2015 10:45:08am

re: #9 Nyet

I don’t see him mentioning “black on black crime”, but I do seem being obsessed with “black on White crime”.

Seemed upset about black men “stealing” white women too.

12 HappyWarrior  Jun 20, 2015 10:45:31am

re: #10 wrenchwench

The haters favorite! They LOVE to hate Jews!

It’s the oldie.

13 Charles Johnson  Jun 20, 2015 10:45:48am

re: #9 Nyet

I don’t see him mentioning “black on black crime”, but I do seem being obsessed with “black on White crime”.

Right - typo. Fixed now.

14 Nyet  Jun 20, 2015 10:46:21am

re: #13 Charles Johnson

I also made a typo in that comment :D

15 Amory Blaine  Jun 20, 2015 10:47:05am

re: #10 wrenchwench

A staple in the bigots pantry of hate.

16 unproven innocence  Jun 20, 2015 10:47:50am

re: #1 Nyet

Just skimmed it. An idiot with a savior complex. Sheesh.

17 CriticalDragon1177  Jun 20, 2015 10:48:50am

re: #13 Charles Johnson

Another thing racists are obsessed with is the “inherent” criminality of black people. Something that is also a myth.

And another thing about that “Blacks being more Criminal…” noise
dailykos.com

18 Nyet  Jun 20, 2015 10:49:14am

re: #16 unproven innocence

Just skimmed it. An idiot with a savior complex. Sheesh.

A Breivik wanna-be, but IQ not high enough to copy-paste a few articles together into a longer manifesto, like Breivik did :)

19 thedopefishlives  Jun 20, 2015 10:50:01am

re: #10 wrenchwench

The haters favorite! They LOVE to hate Jews!

It always come back to da Joos. Sheesh. There is nothing original anymore.

20 Dr. Matt  Jun 20, 2015 10:50:17am

re: #17 CriticalDragon1177

Another thing racists are obsessed with is the “inherent” criminality of black people. Something that is also a myth.

And another thing about that “Blacks being more Criminal…” noise
dailykos.com

Dylann’s views are identical to Chuck C Johnson’s.

21 CuriousLurker  Jun 20, 2015 10:50:25am

re: #5 Nyet

And Jews.

Yep.

Jews

Unlike many White naitonalists [sic], I am of the opinion that the majority of American and European jews are White. In my opinion the issues with jews [sic] is not their blood, but their identity. I think that if we could somehow destroy the jewish [sic] identity, then they wouldnt [sic] cause much of a problem. The problem is that Jews look White, and in many cases are White, yet they see themselves as minorities. Just like n*****s, most jews [sic] are always thinking about the fact that they are jewish [sic] . The other issue is that they network. If we could somehow turn every jew [sic] blue for 24 hours, I think there would be a mass awakening, because people would be able to see plainly what is going on.

I dont [sic] pretend to understand why jews [sic] do what they do. They are enigma.

The bolded line (emphasis mine) actually made me LOL—yeah, good thing white nationalists don’t think about the fact that they’re white all the time. //

22 Nyet  Jun 20, 2015 10:50:38am

Freud would have had a field day with the first photo. I’m just sayin.

23 piratedan  Jun 20, 2015 10:50:50am

let the revisionist history begin….

This is what we get for letting those assholes in Texas dictate what gets into the textbooks I guess.

Strangely enough, I think a lot of this could be ratcheted down if there were a concerted effort by the GOP to simply acknowledge that racism exists and that they would be better served to not pander to it (if not outright inciting it). NOBODY wins if this shit keeps up and these fuckers apparently don’t believe that the folks that they are instigating would just as soon burn it all down if they are not shown that not only is their cause lost, its been lost for a 150 years.

For fucks sake, you cheer for black kids when they wear the uniform of your alma mater, professional sports team and yet, somehow, you don’t believe that they have the same rights as you and me. What kind of childish adult continues to believe in this bullshit mythos.

I also want to say, that there are LOTS of folks in the South that feel the same way, Shouting down these strident assholes is tiresome and wears you down as it seems like their rage is a bottomless well of resentment.

24 Varek Raith  Jun 20, 2015 10:51:07am

Always with that deranged look.

25 Skip Intro  Jun 20, 2015 10:51:46am

Dylann Roof’s Judge.

Racist Talk from Dylann Roof’s Judge

The judge who called for sympathy for shooter Dylann Roof’s family members has a history of racist language in the courtroom.

Charleston County Magistrate James B. Gosnell began Friday’s bond hearing for mass-murderer Dylann Roof by declaring that the killer’s family members were victims as well.

At least he did not repeat an opinion that he offered in another proceeding a dozen years ago.

“There are four kinds of people in this world—black people, white people, red necks, and n—-rs,” Gosnell advised a black defendant in a November 6, 2003 bond reduction hearing.

thedailybeast.com

26 Amory Blaine  Jun 20, 2015 10:52:24am

re: #1 Nyet

More than a few mainstream conservative sentiments I see.

27 CriticalDragon1177  Jun 20, 2015 10:52:27am

re: #20 Dr. Matt

Dylann’s views are identical to Chuck C Johnson’s.

Not surprised. Both are racist rejects.

28 thedopefishlives  Jun 20, 2015 10:52:42am

re: #25 Skip Intro

Any chance the state could get him recused? That sounds like a bit of judicial bias to me.

29 CuriousLurker  Jun 20, 2015 10:53:46am

re: #11 HappyWarrior

Seemed upset about black men “stealing” white women too.

Yep, one of the main reasons POTUS is so hated by many, IMO. His “race traitor” mother voluntarily chose a black man and gave birth to a mixed-race child.

30 HappyWarrior  Jun 20, 2015 10:54:46am

re: #29 CuriousLurker

Yep, one of the main reasons POTUS is so hated by many, IMO. His “race traitor” mother voluntarily chose a black man and gave birth to a mixed-race child.

Yep.

31 Nyet  Jun 20, 2015 10:54:47am

re: #10 wrenchwench

32 thedopefishlives  Jun 20, 2015 10:55:28am

re: #29 CuriousLurker

Yep, one of the main reasons POTUS is so hated by many, IMO. His “race traitor” mother voluntarily chose a black man and gave birth to a mixed-race child.

I never understood that. I mean, I get the whole idea of “racial purity” that they have, but stealing women? Really? Is it so unfathomable to them that some people have different preferences in mates or casual sexual partners?

33 wrenchwench  Jun 20, 2015 10:55:37am

re: #28 thedopefishlives

Any chance the state could get him recused? That sounds like a bit of judicial bias to me.

A successful campaign to have that judge step down would have way too many echoes, so it can’t be allowed.

34 Skip Intro  Jun 20, 2015 10:55:49am

re: #20 Dr. Matt

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Dylann’s views are identical to Chuck C Johnson’s.

They wouldn’t be out of place on Fox News either.

35 HappyWarrior  Jun 20, 2015 10:55:56am

re: #32 thedopefishlives

I never understood that. I mean, I get the whole idea of “racial purity” that they have, but stealing women? Really? Is it so unfathomable to them that some people have different preferences in mates or casual sexual partners?

It’s MRA crap.

36 Eclectic Cyborg  Jun 20, 2015 10:56:44am

We wuz a Librul!!!

37 Joe Bacon  Jun 20, 2015 10:56:45am

What really angers me is the unrestrained racism I deal with every workday from callers I deal with.

There are a substantial number of them that love to use the “N” word like the dam is broke when it comes to the President. And they’re hard core teabaggers who hate the same government that provides their Medicare, Social Security and especially Supplemental Security Income!

38 HappyWarrior  Jun 20, 2015 10:56:50am

Saw via Larry Wilmore that Fox had Virginia’s favorite crazy Lt Governor candidate to comment about this because of course we wanted to hear from E.W Jackson.

39 thedopefishlives  Jun 20, 2015 10:56:52am

re: #35 HappyWarrior

It’s MRA crap.

Oh, I know. It’s just mind-boggling to me. And that’s coming from a guy who, for a long time, empathized with the idea of the MRA’s.

40 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 20, 2015 10:57:18am

re: #32 thedopefishlives

I never understood that. I mean, I get the whole idea of “racial purity” that they have, but stealing women? Really? Is it so unfathomable to them that some people have different preferences in mates or casual sexual partners?

From his manifesto:

“I have noticed a great disdain for race mixing White women within the White nationalists community, bordering on insanity it. These women are victims, and they can be saved. Stop. “

41 wrenchwench  Jun 20, 2015 10:59:08am

re: #37 Joe Bacon

What really angers me is the unrestrained racism I deal with every workday from callers I deal with.

There are a substantial number of them that love to use the “N” word like the dam is broke when it comes to the President. And they’re hard core teabaggers who hate the same government that provides their Medicare, Social Security and especially Supplemental Security Income!

I know it is more easily said than done, but may I suggest a job change?

42 HappyWarrior  Jun 20, 2015 10:59:18am

re: #40 Backwoods_Sleuth

From his manifesto:

Sheesh.

43 CuriousLurker  Jun 20, 2015 11:00:18am

Hell, I’m still trying to figure out the part where he said “you rape our women” when 2/3 of the people he murdered were women. Then again, I suppose expecting rational thought or behavior from a mass murdering racist wouldn’t exactly be very rational itself, huh?

44 Khal Wimpo  Jun 20, 2015 11:01:14am

re: #23 piratedan

I also want to say, that there are LOTS of folks in the South that feel the same way, Shouting down these strident assholes is tiresome and wears you down as it seems like their rage is a bottomless well of resentment.

That. That right there. The Southern Baptist conservatives seem to have this immense, simmering rage inside of them that bleeds out into everything they do. And this has formed the core of the news diet that Fox spews out - it is akin to Richard Nixon’s same inferiority/superiority complex.

Which is where a young guy by the name of Roger Ailes drank it up and, like Strontium-90 replacing the calcium in the bones and over the years causing bone-marrow cancer, the resentment/sense of privilege combo has turned into the noxious, toxic mess that now passes for mainstream thought in the GOP.

45 Eclectic Cyborg  Jun 20, 2015 11:01:37am

I’m somewhat familiar with the history of the United States but is there a particular reason most of the major slave owners ended up in the Southern States?

46 danarchy  Jun 20, 2015 11:02:25am

re: #11 HappyWarrior

Seemed upset about black men “stealing” white women too.

Lines up with this statement from his cousin:

Scott Roof, who identified himself as Dylann Roof’s cousin, told me over the telephone that “Dylann was normal until he started listening to that white power music stuff.” He also claimed that “he kind of went over the edge when a girl he liked starting dating a black guy two years back.”

47 Nyet  Jun 20, 2015 11:02:47am

re: #45 Eclectic Cyborg

Cotton?

48 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jun 20, 2015 11:03:16am

re: #43 CuriousLurker

Hell, I’m still trying to figure out the part where he said “you rape our women” when 2/3 of the people he murdered were women. Then again, I suppose expecting rational thought or behavior from a mass murdering racist wouldn’t exactly be very rational itself, huh?

I probably shouldn’t say this, but my observation has been that the guys who are most exercised about blacks (or whoever they’re down on) “raping our women” are systematically the very guys who couldn’t get laid in a women’s prison with a suitcase full of pardons.

49 unproven innocence  Jun 20, 2015 11:03:29am

re: #43 CuriousLurker

According to a friend of the Pastor, who’d spoken with a survivor, he (Roof) said that in the basement of the church.

50 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 20, 2015 11:04:42am

re: #47 Nyet

Cotton?

Tobacco and sugar, also.

51 Fred72  Jun 20, 2015 11:05:10am

No, conservatives don’t think Charleston was an “attack on religion.”

Drawing a distinction?

“Racist southerners do not speak for all conservatives. This article is not an apology on behalf of them, or a rationale. We don’t identify with them, and racism can’t be excused with an apology. It can’t be rationalized.”

52 HappyWarrior  Jun 20, 2015 11:06:07am

re: #45 Eclectic Cyborg

I’m somewhat familiar with the history of the United States but is there a particular reason most of the major slave owners ended up in the Southern States?

I think agriculture and the fact that the South is closer to the Caribbean where many slaves were also being sent.

53 CuriousLurker  Jun 20, 2015 11:06:25am

re: #49 unproven innocence

According to a friend of the Pastor, who’d spoken with a survivor, he (Roof) said that in the basement of the church.

I know, that’s what doesn’t make sense—6 of the 9 people he killed were women. I’m pretty sure the worry isn’t about black women raping white women.

54 Nyet  Jun 20, 2015 11:06:44am

CCC inspired both Roof and Coulter.

55 HappyWarrior  Jun 20, 2015 11:07:04am

re: #50 Backwoods_Sleuth

Tobacco and sugar, also.

I’d say proximity to the Caribbean too. I don’t know if the North had many cash crops like those you guys mentioned.

56 Charles Johnson  Jun 20, 2015 11:08:13am

I’m just reading Ted Cruz’s comments about Dylann Roof. Wow.

Ted Cruz: Democrats Using Charleston as ‘excuse’ to Take Away Gun Rights

“A sick and deranged man went and prayed for an hour with the congregants in an historically black church and then, for reasons that we don’t fully understand murdered nine innocent souls.”

[…]

A reporter for The Huffington Post asked Cruz why it has been “difficult” for Republicans to “acknowledge that the attack was racially driven.”

Cruz said he disagreed with the premise of the question.

“It appears to be racially driven from what was reported that this deranged man said and a racial hate crime is horrific. And any murder is horrific,” Cruz said. “I don’t think we should be using this question to try to divide people and to try to seek partisan advantage. I think we should be praying for those who lost loved ones.”

Cruz said earlier that Democrats like to “go after our rights to keep and bear arms” and there has been a “consistent pattern” from the Obama administration and Democrats of violating the Constitution and Bill of Rights.

57 Khal Wimpo  Jun 20, 2015 11:08:29am

re: #47 Nyet

Cotton?

Yeah, amongst other products. The climate in the agrarian south lent itself to cash crops that required large amounts of unskilled manual labor. That, couple with patterns of settlement - the South was colonized during a wave of Scots-Irish borderlander immigration. These immigrants were poor, formerly the debt-peons of the “lairds” in their homelands, and brought with them the burning anger from that socioeconomic system.

Like many abused, they mostly wanted to turn the system upside-down, with themselves on the top as the abusers. Which they did. They also brought with them the hair-trigger violence and outsized emphasis on “personal honor” from the Old Country, which you see in the parking lots around cheap-ass roadhouse bars across the Deep South, where the descendants of these immigrants batter each other with Lucky Lager bottles over minor slights to the mudflaps on Ford pickup trucks.

58 unproven innocence  Jun 20, 2015 11:08:48am

re: #45 Eclectic Cyborg

I’m somewhat familiar with the history of the United States but is there a particular reason most of the major slave owners ended up in the Southern States?

The economies of the South were primarily based on agriculture —cotton and tobacco being main crops. And prior to mechanization (cotton gin, for example), these “industries” were entirely dependent on manual labor.

59 HappyWarrior  Jun 20, 2015 11:09:17am

re: #56 Charles Johnson

I’m just reading Ted Cruz’s comments about Dylann Roof. Wow.

Ted Cruz: Democrats Using Charleston as ‘excuse’ to Take Away Gun Rights

Ted Cruz showing that he’s no different from Alex Jones.

60 Eclectic Cyborg  Jun 20, 2015 11:10:04am

That first GOP debate is going to be interesting. I expect many stupid things about Charleston to be said.

61 Charles Johnson  Jun 20, 2015 11:10:04am

re: #51 Fred72

No, conservatives don’t think Charleston was an “attack on religion.”

Drawing a distinction?

“Racist southerners do not speak for all conservatives. This article is not an apology on behalf of them, or a rationale. We don’t identify with them, and racism can’t be excused with an apology. It can’t be rationalized.”

Quote:

The vast majority of conservatives know that Mr. Roof is a racist murderer.

That’s just completely false.

62 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 20, 2015 11:10:18am

re: #55 HappyWarrior

I’d say proximity to the Caribbean too. I don’t know if the North had many cash crops like those you guys mentioned.

I think the main thing is that cotton, tobacco and sugarcane agriculture is extremely labor-intensive. Before industrialization, free/underpaid labor was essential for those particular crops to be obscenely profitable.

63 HappyWarrior  Jun 20, 2015 11:10:56am

re: #61 Charles Johnson

Quote:

That’s just completely false.

Yep not one of the Republican presidential candidates have called out racism.

64 HappyWarrior  Jun 20, 2015 11:11:55am

re: #62 Backwoods_Sleuth

I think the main thing is that cotton, tobacco and sugarcane agriculture is extremely labor-intensive. Before industrialization, free/underpaid labor was essential for those particular crops to be obscenely profitable.

Oh definitely. Plus southern economies did not evolve. The economy of the South in 1860 was similar to what it was in 1760. That’s quite different from the North. That ultimately was their undoing.

65 Charles Johnson  Jun 20, 2015 11:12:06am

When you have the top Republican politicians, people who are running for President, and Fox News ALL trying to pretend there’s doubt about the racist motivations of Dylann Roof, it’s just laughable to pretend that “The vast majority of conservatives know that Mr. Roof is a racist murderer.”

If they do know that, they’re doing a damned good job of pretending otherwise.

66 BlueSpotinAL  Jun 20, 2015 11:12:26am

re: #38 HappyWarrior

Saw via Larry Wilmore that Fox had Virginia’s favorite crazy Lt Governor candidate to comment about this because of course we wanted to hear from E.W Jackson.

Fox news viewers can reassure themselves that they are not racists if Fox news can find a black man to say what they want to believe. Really.

67 sagehen  Jun 20, 2015 11:13:49am

re: #45 Eclectic Cyborg

I’m somewhat familiar with the history of the United States but is there a particular reason most of the major slave owners ended up in the Southern States?

There’s an area in the South called “the black belt”, but it didn’t get that name for having most of the black people. It’s because the soil there is very dark, very fertile, and it’s where our best agriculture was.

In the North, even before people became very citified (probably the reason people became so citified), even with very good soil there were harsh winters that made agriculture a half-the-year endeavor at best.

68 jaunte  Jun 20, 2015 11:14:02am

re: #51 Fred72

“…Regular readers of Conservative Reason know that unlike many conservative blogs, we generally avoid issues related to ethnicity. There are plenty of blogs that serve that market if that’s what you want to read about, but we do not take part. There’s plenty to write about social and economic policy without splashing into that particular fever swamp.”

Right off the bat, that site wants to ignore the giant elephant in the middle of America’s living room, and dismiss it as a “fever swamp.”

69 Fred72  Jun 20, 2015 11:14:50am

re: #63 HappyWarrior

Yep not one of the Republican presidential candidates have called out racism.

I think that’s the premise of the piece, which is remarkably self-aware. They’re saying that conservative politicians and conservative talking heads are too chicken to offend the racist portion of their audience.

If you’re one of the (how many is it now? 14?) GOP presidential candidates and you call Charleston for what it is, you’re guaranteed to lose 10% of your followers to some other candidate who won’t make them feel bad because they’re racists.

70 Desmond  Jun 20, 2015 11:15:39am

So, right wingers’ overt racism directly inspired a domestic terrorist. It’ll be interesting to see how they try and explain that devaluing black lives and reflexively arguing that unarmed black teens “deserve” to get shot by police and the Zimmermans of the world had nothing to do with this guy’s radicalization.

71 CuriousLurker  Jun 20, 2015 11:15:58am

re: #61 Charles Johnson

Quote:

That’s just completely false.

Interesting coincidence that the conservativereason.org site was registered 6 days after Roof’s site and is also privacy protected, though this one through GoDaddy. It doesn’t necessarily mean anything, it just makes me go, “Hmm…”

72 HappyWarrior  Jun 20, 2015 11:16:35am

re: #69 Fred72

I think that’s the premise of the piece, which is remarkably self-aware. They’re saying that conservative politicians and conservative talking heads are too chicken to offend the racist portion of their audience.

If you’re one of the (how many is it now? 14?) GOP presidential candidates and you call Charleston for what it is, you’re guaranteed to lose 10% of your followers to some other candidate who won’t make them feel bad because they’re racists.

Right. It seems to me that there are two articles of faith with Republican candidates: You don’t point out obvious white on black racism and you don’t talk about easy access to guns.

73 ObserverArt  Jun 20, 2015 11:16:49am

re: #57 Khal Wimpo

Yeah, amongst other products. The climate in the agrarian south lent itself to cash crops that required large amounts of unskilled manual labor. That, couple with patterns of settlement - the South was colonized during a wave of Scots-Irish borderlander immigration. These immigrants were poor, formerly the debt-peons of the “lairds” in their homelands, and brought with them the burning anger from that socioeconomic system.

Like many abused, they mostly wanted to turn the system upside-down, with themselves on the top as the abusers. Which they did. They also brought with them the hair-trigger violence and outsized emphasis on “personal honor” from the Old Country, which you see in the parking lots around cheap-ass roadhouse bars across the Deep South, where the descendants of these immigrants batter each other with Lucky Lager bottles over minor slights to the mudflaps on Ford pickup trucks.

Damn Khal, this comment and your #44 tells me you need to post up some more. I like the sense of history tied to a sense of the dark humor in it all. Good take, good reading.

74 Dave In Austin  Jun 20, 2015 11:17:23am

Guardian of the Entrances. The all seeing eye and dulap that challenges all that enter.

The Fern Emperor
75 Skip Intro  Jun 20, 2015 11:17:45am

re: #60 Eclectic Cyborg

That first GOP debate is going to be interesting. I expect many stupid things about Charleston to be said.

Only if they get asked by the Fox News stooges.

76 HappyWarrior  Jun 20, 2015 11:18:27am

There have been some candidates who I don’t even think have commented yet.

77 Khal Wimpo  Jun 20, 2015 11:18:54am

This:

The event that truly awakened me was the Trayvon Martin case. I kept hearing and seeing his name, and eventually I decided to look him up. I read the Wikipedia article and right away I was unable to understand what the big deal was. It was obvious that Zimmerman was in the right.

Wondering what effect this is going to have on all the dipshits who’ve been desperately defending the shootings of unarmed black men. Is this going to change the way they are perceived? Are they now going to be seen as “Roofs-in-waiting”?

78 Eclectic Cyborg  Jun 20, 2015 11:19:03am

re: #76 HappyWarrior

There have been some candidates who I don’t even think have commented yet.

Probably still waiting on their talking points.

79 Nyet  Jun 20, 2015 11:19:19am

re: #65 Charles Johnson

They may be just good liars.

80 HappyWarrior  Jun 20, 2015 11:19:31am

re: #78 Eclectic Cyborg

Probably still waiting on their talking points.

Probably and honestly it’s probably best that some of them do not comment given that the ones who have.

81 Fred72  Jun 20, 2015 11:21:09am

re: #71 CuriousLurker

Interesting coincidence that the conservativereason.org site was registered 6 days after Roof’s site and is also privacy protected, though this one through GoDaddy.

Given that the article calls him a racist, murdering asshole (or words to that effect) about six times, yeah, I’d just call it coincidental. Lots of sites are registered every day.

Some strange stuff goes on with that site. “Self-aware” is the last adjective I’d apply to it in general, which is why this article shocked me. I’ve actually been a fan of it for a while, mainly for the gawking/humor value.

82 Khal Wimpo  Jun 20, 2015 11:23:08am

re: #73 ObserverArt

Damn Khal, this comment and your #44 tells me you need to post up some more. I like the sense of history tied to a sense of the dark humor in it all. Good take, good reading.

Aw, shucks. (*looks down, kicks can*) Thanks for reading. I’m trying to tear myself away from this story, but it’s really bugging the living shit out of me, and LGF is a place where I can process, read and converse with other intelligent, decent people.

I think I need to work on a long-delayed project today in the garage, using power tools. Just to get the sense of doing something positive, with my hands, that has a tangible result. Woodworking as therapy, I guess.

83 jaunte  Jun 20, 2015 11:23:25am
84 Higgs Boson's Mate  Jun 20, 2015 11:24:39am

re: #64 HappyWarrior

Oh definitely. Plus southern economies did not evolve. The economy of the South in 1860 was similar to what it was in 1760. That’s quite different from the North. That ultimately was their undoing.

Eli Whitney’s invention of the cotton gin in 1793 made short upland cotton into a viable cash crop and expanded the areas in which cotton could be grown. As others have mentioned, cotton was a very labor intensive crop, The antebellum South largely failed to industrialize because exporting cotton fiber was lucrative enough to enable it to buy in manufactured goods.

85 jaunte  Jun 20, 2015 11:25:43am

re: #84 Higgs Boson’s Mate

A “petro-state” before there were petrostates.

86 HappyWarrior  Jun 20, 2015 11:26:44am

re: #83 jaunte

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I think I had heard that.

87 CuriousLurker  Jun 20, 2015 11:27:12am

The RWNJs are very, very disappointed that the shooter wasn’t Muslim. I’m trying not to be paranoid, but I suspect that might be part of why they keep harping on Christians being in danger—i.e. most Christians actually being killed or threatened these days are experiencing this at the hands of violent, radical Islamists. It’s yet another way to turn things back to, “But the Muslims!”

SQUIRREL!!11!

I mean, a bunch of the clown car candidates were bringing up the the Muslim thing and this takes the focus off their pet bogeyman. It’s hard to scare monger about groups on the other side of the world when there are white American racists that look just like your neighbor willing to shoot up churches.

88 Khal Wimpo  Jun 20, 2015 11:27:42am

re: #85 jaunte

A “petro-state” before there were petrostates.

Very astute. In just the way that oil represents “free money” where just owning the land that it comes out of entitles you to vast amounts of wealth … so too did owning plantations result in crazy-fat income streams.

As long as you were able to enslave others to work those fields, that is.

89 Shiplord Kirel  Jun 20, 2015 11:32:48am

New page. I think it is one of the most important I have ever posted here.

Anti-Intellectualism Is Killing America

90 makeitstop  Jun 20, 2015 11:33:58am

re: #56 Charles Johnson

I’m just reading Ted Cruz’s comments about Dylann Roof. Wow.

Cruz said. “I don’t think we should be using this question to try to divide people and to try to seek partisan advantage. I think we should be praying for those who lost loved ones.”

Cruz said earlier that Democrats like to “go after our rights to keep and bear arms” and there has been a “consistent pattern” from the Obama administration and Democrats of violating the Constitution and Bill of Rights.

Sweet Jesus. This guy can’t possibly be less self-aware, can he?

91 wrenchwench  Jun 20, 2015 11:35:24am

‘War on Christmas’ my ass.

92 Teukka  Jun 20, 2015 11:35:30am

re: #89 Shiplord Kirel

New page. I think it is one of the most important I have ever posted here.

Anti-Intellectualism Is Killing America

Front page material if you ask me. Charles?

93 Amory Blaine  Jun 20, 2015 11:35:50am

The southern contingent of the Revolutionary War looked down on the northern soldiers as dirty.

94 KerFuFFler  Jun 20, 2015 11:36:27am

re: #10 wrenchwench

The haters favorite! They LOVE to hate Jews!

Yeah, a while back I visited a page dedicated to panicking about Jade Helm and one of the commenters wrote something like, “Be prepared when the Jews and their minions show up. Lock and load!!!”

Just lovely…

95 Higgs Boson's Mate  Jun 20, 2015 11:37:07am

re: #88 Khal Wimpo

Very astute. In just the way that oil represents “free money” where just owning the land that it comes out of entitles you to vast amounts of wealth … so too did owning plantations result in crazy-fat income streams.

As long as you were able to enslave others to work those fields, that is.

You might be interested in reading Mary Boykin Chesnut’s A Diary from Dixie. She was married to James Chesnut, Jr., United States Senator from South Carolina 1859-1861. Mr’s Chesnut was a native of South Carolina. The book is based on the diaries she kept through the war years. She is not an apologist for the South and her book provided me with some insights regarding Southern culture, attitudes and politics at the time.

96 Eric The Fruit Bat  Jun 20, 2015 11:38:07am

re: #31 Nyet

97 CuriousLurker  Jun 20, 2015 11:38:34am

You know, the mom in me wants to feel a little bit sorry for Roof because his life is basically over at 21 (even if he doesn’t realize it yet), but as with Dzhokhar Tsarnaev, I find it impossible every time I think about their innocent victims.

98 wrenchwench  Jun 20, 2015 11:40:15am

re: #97 CuriousLurker

You know, the mom in me wants to feel a little bit sorry for Roof because his life is basically over at 21 (even if he doesn’t realize it yet), but as with Dzhokhar Tsarnaev, I find it impossible every time I think about their innocent victims.

Unfortunately not everyone gets a mom like you.

99 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jun 20, 2015 11:41:53am

re: #88 Khal Wimpo

Very astute. In just the way that oil represents “free money” where just owning the land that it comes out of entitles you to vast amounts of wealth … so too did owning plantations result in crazy-fat income streams.

As long as you were able to enslave others to work those fields, that is.

And that was at the center of the liberal/conservative divide in those days. Everybody agreed that politics was for the rich, but the argument was about the legitimate ways of becoming rich. For conservatives, land ownership was the source of the only wealth that should count. “Liberals”—what we would today call “Classical Liberals” (Reaganauts, Thatcherites, etc.) thought that money made in trade or manufacturing was just as good.

The plantation owners would never accept that they could be ruled over by tradesmen (read “Jews”) or industrialists, and since the southern economy was built on agriculture, there was really no way that the agrarian nobility could be unseated from control—without a war, anyway.

100 ObserverArt  Jun 20, 2015 11:44:31am

re: #69 Fred72

I think that’s the premise of the piece, which is remarkably self-aware. They’re saying that conservative politicians and conservative talking heads are too chicken to offend the racist portion of their audience.

If you’re one of the (how many is it now? 14?) GOP presidential candidates and you call Charleston for what it is, you’re guaranteed to lose 10% of your followers to some other candidate who won’t make them feel bad because they’re racists.

Same road I’ve been going down. They got all these idiot RWNjs riled up to be their voting base. Now they know they have to keep playing to them or there is no chance.

And really it is a no-win situation. If the GOP cleans up and kicks ‘em out the RWNJs can turn on them. Not only will they lose elections, but they’ll need to run for their lives. (sorta /)

I hate to say it, and it is only an example, but a good one for right here, right now. Maybe the next ‘taking the country back” Roof type shows up in South Carolina GOP State Rep. Norman “Doug” Brannon’s office and says he hates to do it, but it needs to be done for the survival of the white race.

Brannon is the politician that is going to try to pass a bill on taking the flag down in SC.

Nothing worse than a turn coat or someone that deceived them. At that point someone who said they had their interests and then goes against them is more the enemy than the politician they know is opposed.

It all goes into some of what Khal Wimpo posted in #57. I’ve seen bloody fights between brothers or father and son with some of the same type of people. Over some stupid thinking and bravado.

If Lindsey Graham had said the flag has to go, the shootings were all racist and the south needs to clean up it’s act, an hour later he’d be getting some interesting messages and visitors. And threats.

101 Higgs Boson's Mate  Jun 20, 2015 11:45:50am

re: #97 CuriousLurker

You know, the mom in me wants to feel a little bit sorry for Roof because his life is basically over at 21 (even if he doesn’t realize it yet), but as with Dzhokhar Tsarnaev, I find it impossible every time I think about their innocent victims.

I feel sorry in the sense that if he’d had a different upbringing then he may not have become a racist murderer.

102 CuriousLurker  Jun 20, 2015 11:47:52am

re: #98 wrenchwench

Aw, thanks. *blush* (I screwed up plenty in the early years though, just ask my son, LOL.)

Seriously though, I saw another photo of Roof today—the sneering smirk was gone and he looked a bit haggard. I couldn’t help wondering if, now that he’s had a couple of days to sleep on it, the full weight of the reality of how utterly he has destroyed his life is finally bearing down on him.

103 thedopefishlives  Jun 20, 2015 11:48:52am

re: #102 CuriousLurker

Aw, thanks. *blush* (I screwed up plenty in the early years though, just ask my son, LOL.)

Seriously though, I saw another photo of Roof today—the sneering smirk was gone and he looked a bit haggard. I couldn’t help wondering if, now that he’s had a couple of days to sleep on it, the full weight of the reality of how utterly he has destroyed his life is finally bearing down on him.

I doubt it. He’s probably disappointed that he didn’t get to go out in his blaze of glory like he’d planned.

104 ObserverArt  Jun 20, 2015 11:49:22am

re: #82 Khal Wimpo

Aw, shucks. (*looks down, kicks can*) Thanks for reading. I’m trying to tear myself away from this story, but it’s really bugging the living shit out of me, and LGF is a place where I can process, read and converse with other intelligent, decent people.

I think I need to work on a long-delayed project today in the garage, using power tools. Just to get the sense of doing something positive, with my hands, that has a tangible result. Woodworking as therapy, I guess.

I’m in between applications of stain. I’m with you.

105 CuriousLurker  Jun 20, 2015 11:52:09am

Okay, I’m gonna go check out SK’s page and some of the others, then go find something artsy-fartsy to do with my afternoon.

Later, lizards.

106 makeitstop  Jun 20, 2015 11:54:25am

re: #102 CuriousLurker

Aw, thanks. *blush* (I screwed up plenty in the early years though, just ask my son, LOL.)

Seriously though, I saw another photo of Roof today—the sneering smirk was gone and he looked a bit haggard. I couldn’t help wondering if, now that he’s had a couple of days to sleep on it, the full weight of the reality of how utterly he has destroyed his life is finally bearing down on him.

How could it not? Maybe right now he’s thinking he should have stuck with his original plan of killing himself instead of trying to escape.

I saw part of the video feed of his arraignment. ‘Haggard’ is definitely an apt descriptor - but that cold, dead stare was still there.

107 Timothy Watson  Jun 20, 2015 11:54:59am

re: #2 Dr. Matt

Please redistribute as much as possible.

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Except the Japanese Self-Defense Forces still get to fly the Rising Sun Flag.

Of course, the Japanese also get to get ignore or deny their various war crimes during World War II to a level that’s quite shocking. If someone in Germany did the same towards Nazi-era crimes, they would end up in jail.

108 EPR-radar  Jun 20, 2015 11:58:49am

I’ve seen this elsewhere on the internet, and it has been growing on me:

Referring to the Confederate flag as the Dixie Swastika.

109 BeachDem  Jun 20, 2015 12:00:59pm

re: #89 Shiplord Kirel

New page. I think it is one of the most important I have ever posted here.

Anti-Intellectualism Is Killing America

Excellent.

I think raising the internet ramblings of a semi-literate high-school dropout to “manifesto” gravitas falls right in line. (ymmv)

Edit to add—not talking/snarking about header on this thread—that’s what it’s being called everywhere.

110 Romantic Heretic  Jun 20, 2015 12:01:53pm

re: #62 Backwoods_Sleuth

I think the main thing is that cotton, tobacco and sugarcane agriculture is extremely labor-intensive. Before industrialization, free/underpaid labor was essential for those particular crops to be obscenely profitable.

I’ve heard that owning a sugar plantation in the Caribbean in the 17th and 18th Centuries was the equivalent of being an oil sheik today. They literally made more money than they could spend.

111 Dr Lizardo  Jun 20, 2015 12:09:58pm

TEXAS!!

Move over, couple who promised to get a divorce if gay marriage was legalised, because one Texas pastor has taken his opposition to marriage equality one step further.

Rick Scarborough, a Baptist pastor and Christian political activist, has said he would be willing to be burned to death in his fight against gay rights.

He made the bizarre pledge while speaking to EW Jackson, a right-wing minister and politician, on the National Emergency Coalition show, a podcast linked to Jackson’s group, Staying True to America’s National Destiny (STAND).

independent.co.uk

112 freetoken  Jun 20, 2015 12:10:51pm

Following Mitt… not:

Ted Cruz: It’s up to South Carolina to decide on Confederate flag

Sen. Ted Cruz says whether or not South Carolina removes the Confederate flag from a state house memorial is an issue for the state to decide and that he sees “both sides” of the debate.

In an interview with The Washington Post on Saturday, Cruz (R-Tex.) said that he understands why people equate the flag with both racial oppression and historical traditions.

“I understand the passions that this debate evokes on both sides,” the GOP presidential hopeful said. “Both those who see a history of racial oppression and a history of slavery, which is the original sin of our nation, and we fought a bloody civil war to expunge that sin.”

[…]

113 Charles Johnson  Jun 20, 2015 12:12:10pm
114 thedopefishlives  Jun 20, 2015 12:12:23pm

re: #110 Romantic Heretic

I’ve heard that owning a sugar plantation in the Caribbean in the 17th and 18th Centuries was the equivalent of being an oil sheik today. They literally made more money than they could spend.

If, that is, they had the free labor to support it. Until the explosion of farm mechanization in the late 1940’s and early 1950’s, even a modest-sized farming operation required a staggering number of manual laborers to keep up. There are very few regular crops anymore that aren’t worked at least partly by machines.

115 Timothy Watson  Jun 20, 2015 12:13:50pm

re: #113 Charles Johnson

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116 Romantic Heretic  Jun 20, 2015 12:14:08pm

re: #95 Higgs Boson’s Mate

You might be interested in reading Mary Boykin Chesnut’s A Diary from Dixie. She was married to James Chesnut, Jr., United States Senator from South Carolina 1859-1861. Mr’s Chesnut was a native of South Carolina. The book is based on the diaries she kept through the war years. She is not an apologist for the South and her book provided me with some insights regarding Southern culture, attitudes and politics at the time.

Every time conversation turns to the South I can’t help but think of a scene in Gone With The Wind.

Near the beginning, just as the war is starting up, Rhett Butler remarks that “There isn’t a single cannon factory in the whole of the South.”

One of the ‘young gentlemen’ in the room asks heatedly, “Are you questioning the honour of The South?”

That’s how the South, or at least the people claiming identity from it, appear to me. Someone makes a statement of fact and they get pissed off about it.

Apologies for generalizing but that scene has alway resonated for me.

117 Decatur Deb  Jun 20, 2015 12:14:15pm

re: #112 freetoken

Following Mitt… not:

Ted Cruz: It’s up to South Carolina to decide on Confederate flag


“In an interview with The Washington Post on Saturday, Cruz (R-Tex.) said that he understands why people equate the flag with both racial oppression and historical traditions.”

Unnecessarily complex distinction on the part of Mr Cruz. Racial oppression is South Carolina’s historical tradition.

118 Targetpractice  Jun 20, 2015 12:16:36pm

A wingnut just pointed to me a National Review article that seems to be setting things up for the next wingnut whine: “Hey, we condemned the attack, why can’t you just let it go?!” Now they’re trying to spin the initial assertions that race has nothing to do with Roof’s actions as “waiting for information,” but now they’re ready to condemn racism…more specifically, they’re now ready to spin him as another “lone wolf” who in no way reflects on modern conservatism and was totally acting of his own volition.

119 Eric The Fruit Bat  Jun 20, 2015 12:16:49pm

re: #31 Nyet

120 Timothy Watson  Jun 20, 2015 12:17:14pm

re: #116 Romantic Heretic

Every time conversation turns to the South I can’t help but think of a scene in Gone With The Wind.

Near the beginning, just as the war is starting up, Rhett Butler remarks that “There isn’t a single cannon factory in the whole of the South.”

One of the ‘young gentlemen’ in the room asks heatedly, “Are you questioning the honour of The South?”

That’s how the South, or at least the people claiming identity from it, appear to me. Someone makes a statement of fact and they get pissed off about it.

Apologies for generalizing but that scene has alway resonated for me.

Heh, funny line.

(Although, if you want to be accurate, the Tredegar Iron Works in Richmond, Virginia made artillery for the United States and later the Confederacy.

*gets off the Virginia native soapbox*)

121 JadeHelmCurious  Jun 20, 2015 12:17:38pm
The event that truly awakened me was the Trayvon Martin case. I kept hearing and seeing his name, and eventually I decided to look him up. I read the Wikipedia article and right away I was unable to understand what the big deal was. It was obvious that Zimmerman was in the right. But more importantly this prompted me to type in the words “black on White crime” into Google, and I have never been the same since that day. The first website I came to was the Council of Conservative Citizens. There were pages upon pages of these brutal black on White murders. I was in disbelief. At this moment I realized that something was very wrong. How could the news be blowing up the Trayvon Martin case while hundreds of these black on White murders got ignored?

Wow. There it is, right there.

Type the words ‘black on white crime’ in Google and all the websites that come up are right wing cesspools and blogs. The same ones that frequently push the narratives that ‘liberals are the real racists’ and ‘demokkkrats.’

122 Timothy Watson  Jun 20, 2015 12:18:40pm

re: #119 Eric The Fruit Bat

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Not familiar with the first two songs, but I do have the other three on my playlist in iTunes.

123 Jay C  Jun 20, 2015 12:27:47pm

re: #45 Eclectic Cyborg

I’m somewhat familiar with the history of the United States but is there a particular reason most of the major slave owners ended up in the Southern States?

And, in addition to the climatic/agricultural/economic reasons mentioned elsewhere, South Carolina, in particular was founded by a group of English planters from Barbados (thus being the only Original Colony founded by other colonists!) in the 1640’s, who brought with them the strict, race-based slave economy/society of the Caribbean, which various white exploiters of the New World (Spanish, Portuguese, French, Dutch, English) had had a century or so to develop already. And which found a congenial home in the warmer zones of North America,

124 Dr Lizardo  Jun 20, 2015 12:28:06pm

OK….this looks good.

Tom Hardy in a dual role as notorious British gangsters Ronald and Reginald Kray, and written and directed by Brian Helgeland, of L.A. Confidential and Mystic River fame.

Also starring Emily Browning, with Colin Morgan, David Thewlis, Christopher Eccleston, Chazz Palminteri, Tara Fitzgerald and Taron Egerton.

125 Thanos  Jun 20, 2015 12:28:14pm

There’s also an Odal or Othala Rune at the bottom of that sand art.
adl.org

126 Targetpractice  Jun 20, 2015 12:28:33pm

re: #121 JadeHelmCurious

Wow. There it is, right there.

Type the words ‘black on white crime’ in Google and all the websites that come up are right wing cesspools and blogs. The same ones that frequently push the narratives that ‘liberals are the real racists’ and ‘demokkkrats.’

Hence the strong effort right now to paint this as an attack on Christianity or “drug-fueled” or Roof as mentally ill. Anything to give them a plausible excuse to deny that his actions were in any way connected to their beliefs.

127 Thanos  Jun 20, 2015 12:30:34pm

re: #61 Charles Johnson

Quote:

That’s just completely false.

The cons not going for “attack on religion” are going for “it’s the drugs” like infowars and Rick Perry.

128 Decatur Deb  Jun 20, 2015 12:30:42pm

re: #45 Eclectic Cyborg

I’m somewhat familiar with the history of the United States but is there a particular reason most of the major slave owners ended up in the Southern States?

If no one else answered, we learned it was climate and terrain. The crops that could be worked profitably required large holdings and hot weather. Thus W. Va. had slavery, but the broken hilly farms didn’t much justify the investment.

129 unproven innocence  Jun 20, 2015 12:32:27pm

re: #121 JadeHelmCurious

Wow. There it is, right there.

Type the words ‘black on white crime’ in Google and all the websites that come up are right wing cesspools and blogs. The same ones that frequently push the narratives that ‘liberals are the real racists’ and ‘demokkkrats.’

Apparently he did not think to try “white on black crime” or other relevant search terms, and confirmation bias snowballed. As Feynman said, the easiest person to fool is yourself.

130 allegro  Jun 20, 2015 12:35:26pm

re: #108 EPR-radar

I’ve seen this elsewhere on the internet, and it has been growing on me:

Referring to the Confederate flag as the Dixie Swastika.

I’m gonna use that. It’s perfect. Here in Tx these flags are rather common - not that many display them, they don’t, but they are around enough and have been forever that they’re pretty much invisible to a lot of people. Case in point, someone here at the park put about a 6’ pole in the ground and hung one at their pad several weeks ago. I expressed extreme disgust by it to my dog-walking friend who was actually bewildered by my response. Not because she shares any beliefs in what it represents, but because it simply has no meaning to her at all. Once I explained why I felt the way I do she was ohhhh, I see. You are right, it is revolting. These two words, Dixie Swastika, say it all.

131 wrenchwench  Jun 20, 2015 12:40:33pm

That’s what’s on. Just sharing.

132 sagehen  Jun 20, 2015 12:41:52pm

re: #102 CuriousLurker

Aw, thanks. *blush* (I screwed up plenty in the early years though, just ask my son, LOL.)

Seriously though, I saw another photo of Roof today—the sneering smirk was gone and he looked a bit haggard. I couldn’t help wondering if, now that he’s had a couple of days to sleep on it, the full weight of the reality of how utterly he has destroyed his life is finally bearing down on him.

He’s astonished and let down that hundreds of like-minded people he’d met on-line at his white supremecist message boards… didn’t take his action as a sign to simultaneously rise up and do the same in a hundreds of other towns.

133 wrenchwench  Jun 20, 2015 12:44:09pm
134 Eric The Fruit Bat  Jun 20, 2015 12:44:23pm

re: #113 Charles Johnson

Ah, another American Taliban.

135 Shiplord Kirel  Jun 20, 2015 12:45:00pm

Until recently, the ammosexual right’s bark was considerably worse than its bite, and it would be understandable if rational people had under-estimated the threat. We are seeing a gradual and accelerating rise in violence and confrontation, though, as the far right’s fantasies make the transition to reality. We had isolated attacks on law enforcement officers, like the West Memphis ambush, then the shockingly overt Bundy Ranch standoff (which thankfully didn’t result in any deaths but easily could have). Now we have this barbarous massacre by an avowed white supremacist who is obviously steeped in far right propaganda. So far, we have not seen any massacres of peaceful demonstrators, or attacks on federal troops, or vigilante take-overs of whole jurisdictions but with what we have seen so far we cannot rule out the possibility. Right wing media continue to dismiss people like Roof as isolated nuts. He is indeed nuts but a cursory look at RW message boards will show that millions of Americans agree with most of his stated tenets so he is far from isolated.

136 wrenchwench  Jun 20, 2015 12:46:39pm
137 freetoken  Jun 20, 2015 12:52:24pm

The freepers are freeping and the bratfrats are braying about Mitt’s declaration, as mealy mouth as it was:

The nakedness of the racism couldn’t be any more nekkid.

138 Dr Lizardo  Jun 20, 2015 12:54:19pm

re: #135 Shiplord Kirel

Until recently, the ammosexual right’s bark was considerably worse than its bite, and it would be understandable if rational people had under-estimated the threat. We are seeing a gradual and accelerating rise in violence and confrontation, though, as the far right’s fantasies make the transition to reality. We had isolated attacks on law enforcement officers, like the West Memphis ambush, then the shockingly overt Bundy Ranch standoff (which thankfully didn’t result in any deaths but easily could have). Now we have this barbarous massacre by an avowed white supremacist who is obviously steeped in far right propaganda. So far, we have not seen any massacres of peaceful demonstrators, or attacks on federal troops, or vigilante take-overs of whole jurisdictions but with what we have seen so far we cannot rule out the possibility. Right wing media continue to dismiss people like Roof as isolated nuts. He is indeed nuts but a cursory look at RW message boards will show that millions of Americans agree with most of his stated tenets so he is far from isolated.

Just wait until Jade Helm starts up next month. The 15th, I believe.

Then I think we might hit criticality.

139 goddamnedfrank  Jun 20, 2015 12:59:19pm
140 allegro  Jun 20, 2015 1:00:53pm

re: #139 goddamnedfrank

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That’s the only point of disagreement they can scrape up.

141 CuriousLurker  Jun 20, 2015 1:01:17pm

I just came back to say that this massacre at the church in Charleston took me by surprise a bit. What with the recent (and future planned) armed demonstrations outside mosques, I thought for sure Muslim worshipers would be the first targets of someone like Roof.

I guess I underestimated the depth & intensity of anti-Black racism in this country. It’s some seriously nasty, toxic stuff. These assholes are our ISIS.

142 Targetpractice  Jun 20, 2015 1:01:24pm

re: #139 goddamnedfrank

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“Okay, we admit that Roof was a racist and that that possibly motivated his actions and…wait, there’s a photo of him burning the flag…SEE, HE WAS TOTALLY A LIBERAL!!!”

143 Shiplord Kirel  Jun 20, 2015 1:02:45pm

re: #138 Dr Lizardo

Just wait until Jade Helm starts up next month. The 15th, I believe.

Then I think we might hit criticality.

I think you’re right. Far right and conspiracist media have already pre-spun every possible outcome. If there is no coup or martial law declaration, it is because the Army backed down in the face of “patriot” threats. If scum like the ones who were waving the “Gestapo” sign in Bastrop County actually shoot at the troops, the FBI will immediately make arrests, probably with a few fatalities when the more devoted fools resist. This will be interpreted as evidence that the whole thing was just a pretext for making such arrests.

144 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Jun 20, 2015 1:03:57pm

re: #139 goddamnedfrank

Apparently Dylann Roof burning a US flag magically absolves conservatives of the racist, black hating bullshit they said that inspired him.

It provides them with another straw to grasp in their desperate attempts to paint him as anything but a white supremacist domestic terrorist.

145 Targetpractice  Jun 20, 2015 1:05:08pm

The people who endlessly talk about how democracy “died” with the Confederacy and believe that Lincoln was a tyrant are convinced that the only person who’d burn Old Glory is a liberal.

Oy fuckin’ vey.

146 Dr Lizardo  Jun 20, 2015 1:07:48pm

re: #143 Shiplord Kirel

I think you’re right. Far right and conspiracist media have already pre-spun every possible outcome. If there is no coup or martial law declaration, it is because the Army backed down in the face of “patriot” threats. If scum like the ones who were waving the “Gestapo” sign in Bastrop County actually shoot at the troops, the FBI will immediately make arrests, probably with a few fatalities when the more devoted fools resist. This will be interpreted as evidence that the whole thing was just a pretext for making such arrests.

I hate to say it, I wouldn’t be at all surprised if some of the wingnuttiest elements took a few shots at the participating troops.

At which point, there’s a pretty good chance of all Hell breaking loose.

147 Shiplord Kirel  Jun 20, 2015 1:08:42pm

I’ve been seeing some well-intentioned people advocate the cancellation of the Jade Helm exercise. It is not worth the risk of violence and confrontation they say.
My response is not just no, but hell no. The lawful government and the national army cannot back down in the face of seditionist threats. Fort Sumter wasn’t worth much militarily, and certainly not worth a war, but the authorities were absolutely right not to meekly surrender it to the slavers.

148 Amory Blaine  Jun 20, 2015 1:13:08pm

Yeah all the RWNJ enablers are “independents” today.

149 No Country For Old Haters  Jun 20, 2015 1:15:52pm

re: #113 Charles Johnson

150 Shiplord Kirel  Jun 20, 2015 1:16:47pm

re: #146 Dr Lizardo

I hate to say it, I wouldn’t be at all surprised if some of the wingnuttiest elements took a few shots at the participating troops.

At which point, there’s a pretty good chance of all Hell breaking loose.

Armed insurrectionists would not anticipate armed opposition from other civilians, since it is part of their dogma that all liberals are unarmed and helpless. They will therefore be caught from behind and by surprise.

I don’t have to spell out what I will do if I see nutburgers and conspiracy dupes shooting at US troops and I have the jump on them.

151 DodgerFan1988  Jun 20, 2015 1:17:41pm

This conservative website attacking liberals who criticize the Confederate flag. Typical.
pjmedia.com

152 HappyWarrior  Jun 20, 2015 1:17:54pm

re: #133 wrenchwench

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There is Jeb Stuart high school and Robert E. Lee. What’s interesting is some of the newer middle schools are named after poets including one in my hometown’s neighbor named after Langston Hughes.

153 HappyWarrior  Jun 20, 2015 1:18:56pm

re: #149 No Country For Old Haters

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Yeah someone’s butt hurt. He hated our country because he hates the fact that we’re a diverse country that allows African-Americans to have the same rights as whites. He’s anything but liberal. Man conservatives are some clueless assholes.

154 goddamnedfrank  Jun 20, 2015 1:22:13pm

I see Shoq is going down the rabbit hole of Roof’s website genuinely concerned that it’s some kind of hoax. More obstinance.

155 Shiplord Kirel  Jun 20, 2015 1:22:13pm

A secessionist asshole in a cowboy burned a US flag on the steps of the Texas Capitol in Austin a couple of years ago. Many libertarians in particular no longer bother to pretend loyalty to the United States. That doesn’t make them liberals except to the delusional fools who depend on Faux News for their worldview.

156 BeachDem  Jun 20, 2015 1:24:05pm

re: #153 HappyWarrior

Yeah someone’s butt hurt. He hated our country because he hates the fact that we’re a diverse country that allows African-Americans to have the same rights as whites. He’s anything but liberal. Man conservatives are some clueless assholes.

And apparently the fact that he’s burning the US Flag while hoisting the confederate flag escapes their wee little minds. I guess there would have to be a photo where he’s doing both simultaneously, along with an audio file explaining it in one-syllable words is the only way they’ll ever get it. Never mind—they won’t get it (or won’t admit to it) no matter what.

157 HappyWarrior  Jun 20, 2015 1:24:11pm

re: #155 Shiplord Kirel

A secessionist asshole in a cowboy burned a US flag on the steps of the Texas Capitol in Austin a couple of years ago. Many libertarians in particular no longer bother to pretend loyalty to the United States. That doesn’t make them liberals except to the delusional fools who depend on Faux News for their worldview.

I remember a conservative telling me that Ron Paul was a lefty because of his FP views. I guess someone had never heard of the America First movement in the years leading up to WWII. And besides typical liberals don’t burn the flag despite their pathetic attempt to claim otherwise. We see it as free speech, yes, but if someone burns a flag in front of me, I am not going to like it. I think they choose to be this clueless though. They know he’s one of theirs but because of political tribalism, they can’t admit it because they really think conservatives are incapable of evil.

158 HappyWarrior  Jun 20, 2015 1:26:16pm

re: #156 BeachDem

And apparently the fact that he’s burning the US Flag while hoisting the confederate flag escapes their wee little minds. I guess there would have to be a photo where he’s doing both simultaneously, along with an audio file explaining it in one-syllable words is the only way they’ll ever get it. Never mind—they won’t get it (or won’t admit to it) no matter what.

They somehow want to accuse us on the left of both being anti Southern, anti- “states rights” yet they also want ot blame us for the CSA. i pointed it out earlier that yes there were a lot of Democrats that pushed secession but there was also a lot of Democratic unionists too including many generals like Hancock, Benjamin Butler, and many others. And also that Douglas, Lincoln’s famous rival and debate opponent offered his strong support to the Union and Lincoln after Sumter.

159 JadeHelmCurious  Jun 20, 2015 1:27:27pm

According to wingnuts, if you desecrate a US flag you’re a proggy.

But they seem to love the Stars and Bars: the battle flag of the Confederacy that engaged in war against the US.

Wingnuts are confuse.

160 HappyWarrior  Jun 20, 2015 1:30:37pm

re: #159 JadeHelmCurious

According to wingnuts, if you desecrate a US flag you’re a proggy.

But they seem to love the Stars and Bars: the battle flag of the Confederacy that engaged in war against the US.

Wingnuts are confuse.

The flag of the “nation” for the war responsible for more deaths than any other war. As I said early, I don’t want to hear it from people who venerate or defend the CSA flag that I am Anti-American because I am a liberal. You can call me a socialist, a commie even but don’t you dare question my love of my country when you defend and admire that rag. I fly in my room and on my arm the flag of a regiment of Irish immigrants who showed far more loyalty to this country than the so called true Americans of the South during the war.

161 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 20, 2015 1:31:21pm

Some CoCC factoids:

my shocked face, etc.

162 DodgerFan1988  Jun 20, 2015 1:32:45pm

re: #159 JadeHelmCurious

But the Stars and Bars is patriotic according to this right wing blog.

nationalreview.com

163 HappyWarrior  Jun 20, 2015 1:33:34pm

re: #161 Backwoods_Sleuth

Some CoCC factoids:

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my shocked face, etc.

The CCC is a descendant of the white citizens councils that sprang up in the 50’s and 60’s, the KKK for suits and those who wanted to make their racism “legitimate.” Not surprised at all that Huckabee has connections ot them.

164 EPR-radar  Jun 20, 2015 1:33:35pm

re: #159 JadeHelmCurious

According to wingnuts, if you desecrate a US flag you’re a proggy.

But they seem to love the Stars and Bars: the battle flag of the Confederacy that engaged in war against the US.

Wingnuts are confuse.

Wingnuts have no use for reality. More specifically:

They have no use for historical reality, e.g., civil war revisionism.

They have no use for economic reality, e.g., trickle-down economics.

They have no use for scientific reality, e.g., creationism, climate change denial.

They have no use for foreign policy reality, e.g., all war all the time.

They have no use for political reality, e.g., unskewing the polls in 2012.

Despite all this, wingnuts control both houses of congress and will be competitive in the 2016 POTUS race.

165 HappyWarrior  Jun 20, 2015 1:34:12pm

re: #162 DodgerFan1988

But the Stars and Bars is patriotic according to this right wing blog.

nationalreview.com

NRO defending the Stars and Bars. What a shock given that piece of crap Buckley’s strong defense of Jim Crow during the 60’s and also Apartheid.

166 wrenchwench  Jun 20, 2015 1:38:05pm

re: #165 HappyWarrior

NRO defending the Stars and Bars. What a shock given that piece of crap Buckley’s strong defense of Jim Crow during the 60’s and also Apartheid.

I was going to propose fire for both Stars & Bars and the NRO, but NRO, being online, is not very flammable, is it?

167 BeachDem  Jun 20, 2015 1:38:51pm

re: #159 JadeHelmCurious

According to wingnuts, if you desecrate a US flag you’re a proggy.

But they seem to love the Stars and Bars: the battle flag of the Confederacy that engaged in war against the US.

Wingnuts are confuse.

So how do they describe those who are burning the Stars and Bars the past few days? I’m sure they have some convoluted explanation, but I’m afraid to look.

168 Amory Blaine  Jun 20, 2015 1:39:23pm
169 HappyWarrior  Jun 20, 2015 1:39:26pm

re: #166 wrenchwench

I was going to propose fire for both Stars & Bars and the NRO, but NRO, being online, is not very flammable, is it?

Perhaps symbolic flames. I refuse to read it or give it any legitimacy any time it’s linked to here.

170 HappyWarrior  Jun 20, 2015 1:40:24pm

re: #167 BeachDem

So how do they describe those who are burning the Stars and Bars the past few days? I’m sure they have some convoluted explanation, but I’m afraid to look.

I bet with out any irony, they will call them anti-American.

171 Dr Lizardo  Jun 20, 2015 1:40:44pm

re: #167 BeachDem

So how do they describe those who are burning the Stars and Bars the past few days? I’m sure they have some convoluted explanation, but I’m afraid to look.

THE PEOPLE BURNING THE STARS AND BARS ARE ANTI-WHITE RACISTS!!

most likely.

172 Higgs Boson's Mate  Jun 20, 2015 1:41:44pm

re: #168 Amory Blaine

Arizona Sheriff Joe Arpaio Sending Armed Guards to Protect Black Churches

The feds need to get this guy under control.

Who is going to protect those congregations from their guards?

173 BeachDem  Jun 20, 2015 1:43:26pm

re: #164 EPR-radar

Wingnuts have no use for reality. More specifically:

They have no use for historical reality, e.g., civil war revisionism.

They have no use for economic reality, e.g., trickle-down economics.

They have no use for scientific reality, e.g., creationism, climate change denial.

They have no use for foreign policy reality, e.g., all war all the time.

They have no use for political reality, e.g., unskewing the polls in 2012.

Despite all this, wingnuts control both houses of congress and will be competitive in the 2016 POTUS race.

And I thought I was depressed before…

Everything you list is, sadly, too true. And the worst part is (and kind of explains your last point) the media give their bogus unreality equal billing with actual reality.

174 Amory Blaine  Jun 20, 2015 1:43:35pm

re: #168 Amory Blaine

In the Phoenix area, indications are that not all of the churches involved want posse members patrolling near their pulpits. When told of one pastor’s concerns, Arpaio said at a press conference, “But I’ll tell you, he’s going to get them whether he likes them or not.”

175 HappyWarrior  Jun 20, 2015 1:44:07pm

re: #174 Amory Blaine

Agh.

176 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 20, 2015 1:44:33pm
177 BeachDem  Jun 20, 2015 1:45:05pm

re: #170 HappyWarrior

I bet with out any irony, they will call them anti-American.

You’re probably right correct. Sigh.

178 wrenchwench  Jun 20, 2015 1:46:26pm

re: #174 Amory Blaine

“But I’ll tell you, he’s going to get them whether he likes them or not.”

OMG.

179 goddamnedfrank  Jun 20, 2015 1:47:42pm
180 HappyWarrior  Jun 20, 2015 1:47:45pm

re: #177 BeachDem

You’re probably right correct. Sigh.

Liberal elites hate American flag

181 Eric The Fruit Bat  Jun 20, 2015 1:48:31pm

re: #149 No Country For Old Haters

He blocked me after I dumped some truth on him-guess he couldn’t handle it.

182 Higgs Boson's Mate  Jun 20, 2015 1:50:52pm

If sending US troops into badly governed places where the population openly dislikes the United States is always such a great idea to the conservatives then why aren’t they planning parades and welcoming ceremonies in Texas for Jade Helm 15?

183 goddamnedfrank  Jun 20, 2015 1:50:56pm

re: #179 goddamnedfrank

FYI if you haven’t seen Gummo yet, don’t.

184 JadeHelmCurious  Jun 20, 2015 1:51:09pm

Aw guys, we’ve been wrong this whole time:

185 HappyWarrior  Jun 20, 2015 1:53:22pm

re: #184 JadeHelmCurious

Aw guys, we’ve been wrong this whole time:

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Yeah so a president who got elected running on opposition to the expansion of slavery and all of sudden seven states secede just like that. Man cons are delusional about what the war was about. The Confederates themselves for the longest time did admit it was about slavery and their constitution even said so. It was only really when it became impossible to defend slavery in the political conversation that you started seeing the “Lost Cause” emerge.

186 Amory Blaine  Jun 20, 2015 1:54:39pm

re: #178 wrenchwench

Almost like he’s egging the feds on. Troops would be enough for the molon labe crowd.

187 Higgs Boson's Mate  Jun 20, 2015 1:55:42pm

re: #184 JadeHelmCurious

Aw guys, we’ve been wrong this whole time:

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That just makes me sad about all the time I wasted reading history books that say otherwise. When these people know something they know it so hard that not even facts can change their minds.

188 TedStriker  Jun 20, 2015 1:56:02pm

re: #166 wrenchwench

I was going to propose fire for both Stars & Bars and the NRO, but NRO, being online, is not very flammable, is it?

Servers are very flammable, with the right amount of gas to get it started…

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189 HappyWarrior  Jun 20, 2015 1:56:44pm

The Southern states would not have seceded if Breckenridge won.Make no mistake about it, secession was a direct response to Lincoln being elected president.

190 Teukka  Jun 20, 2015 1:57:00pm

re: #188 TedStriker

Servers are very flammable, with the right amount of gas to get it started…

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No gas needed provided the proper power spike…

191 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 20, 2015 1:57:58pm

Two inches of rain in the last 24 hours.
Everything is green and soggy.

192 BeachDem  Jun 20, 2015 1:58:10pm

re: #181 Eric The Fruit Bat

He blocked me after I dumped some truth on him-guess he couldn’t handle it.

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They’re also extremely unoriginal in their hysteria. Re: “drugs made him do it”—

From the Sandy Hook aftermath—I traced that one from start to finish:

Premise: Adam Lanza was taking the anti-psychotic drug, Fanapt, which apparently has side-effects that lead to violence.

The story began in the NY Daily News which claimed that the information came from Lanza’s uncle, Jonathan Lanza. Then New York Magazine reported it, attributing it to the Daily News article. Then the race was on with many others picking it up and then several doing in-depth articles about the drug itself.

HOWEVER, the Daily News took down the section about the uncle, and several other sources pointed out the possibility that the Daily News got punked by someone named Jonathan Lee Riches, who is known for perpetrating hoaxes and suing people and also did something similar after the Aurora shootings.

But it’s out there and the wingers are running with it and the meme has become that guns are not the issue—anti-psychotic drugs are.

They’re just so fucking predictable. (And I just noticed, reviewing some of my notes after Sandy Hook, that the AP actually did an in-depth article/interview with the salon where Adam Lanza had his hair cut several years earlier. Now THAT’S Pulitzer stuff, my friend.
I only mention that because Roof’s haircut seems to be of great interest to the likes of Dana Loesch, so perhaps AP is investigating that important angle about Roof.) ///////

193 goddamnedfrank  Jun 20, 2015 1:58:54pm
194 Charles Johnson  Jun 20, 2015 1:59:18pm

By the way, just for the record, the New York Times has verified that the lastrhodesian site was indeed registered to Dylann Roof at his correct address in South Carolina.

195 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 20, 2015 2:03:39pm

re: #194 Charles Johnson

You may want to add to the post this information:
littlegreenfootballs.com
littlegreenfootballs.com

196 JadeHelmCurious  Jun 20, 2015 2:06:57pm
197 Amory Blaine  Jun 20, 2015 2:10:40pm
One of his volunteers?
198 Nyet  Jun 20, 2015 2:11:08pm

re: #113 Charles Johnson

No conscience whatsoever. Or no sentience.

Probably both.

199 Desmond  Jun 20, 2015 2:14:02pm

Christ, crazy right wing nuts saying Roof was “liberal” because he burned an American flag? Maybe he burned the flag because he’s a wacko Neo-CONFEDERATE.

But no, I guess all conservatives are, by definition, patriotic and pro-America (even when they plot secession and point guns at the authorities), and all liberals hate America (because Jane Fonda. Or something).

200 Nyet  Jun 20, 2015 2:14:16pm

This weird “shoq” person acting up again?

202 Targetpractice  Jun 20, 2015 2:18:01pm

re: #184 JadeHelmCurious

Aw guys, we’ve been wrong this whole time:

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Sure, it was fought over money. The slaves of the South represented money in “property” than all of the factories and machines in the North. If slavery were abolished, the South would lose millions and be at a severe disadvantage in terms of economic output compared to the North.

203 Amory Blaine  Jun 20, 2015 2:18:41pm

re: #199 Desmond

Yep, I’m seeing alot of this claim delusion.

205 ObserverArt  Jun 20, 2015 2:21:26pm

re: #191 Backwoods_Sleuth

Two inches of rain in the last 24 hours.
Everything is green and soggy.

Been pretty crappy up Columbus’ way too. Thankfully cooled off, but humid.

206 sagehen  Jun 20, 2015 2:21:27pm

re: #160 HappyWarrior

The flag of the “nation” for the war responsible for more American deaths than any other war all other wars in our entire history, combined.

fixt

207 Kid A  Jun 20, 2015 2:22:07pm

Fucking wingnuts.

208 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Jun 20, 2015 2:25:11pm

re: #172 Higgs Boson’s Mate

Who is going to protect those congregations from their guards?

Good Guys with Guns (TM)

209 #FergusonFireside  Jun 20, 2015 2:25:29pm

re: #119 Eric The Fruit Bat

Love that Gin Blosssoms song.

210 De Kolta Chair  Jun 20, 2015 2:25:32pm

Goddamn lazy young ‘uns. Why, back in my parents’ day… oh wait

211 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Jun 20, 2015 2:33:01pm

re: #185 HappyWarrior

Yeah so a president who got elected running on opposition to the expansion of slavery and all of sudden seven states secede just like that. Man cons are delusional about what the war was about. The Confederates themselves for the longest time did admit it was about slavery and their constitution even said so. It was only really when it became impossible to defend slavery in the political conversation that you started seeing the “Lost Cause” emerge.

It is not incorrect to say that the war was NOT ENTIRELY about slavery, but Confederate revisionists turn that thesis on its head.

212 HappyWarrior  Jun 20, 2015 2:34:39pm

re: #206 sagehen

fixt

Oops meant to say that too.

213 HappyWarrior  Jun 20, 2015 2:35:13pm

re: #210 De Kolta Chair

Goddamn lazy young ‘uns. Why, back in my parents’ day… oh wait

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Damn Alinsky Soros agitators.//

214 HappyWarrior  Jun 20, 2015 2:36:22pm

re: #207 Kid A

Fucking wingnuts.

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I see Kristinn is desperate again. I don’t think much of burning the flag but burning the flag is a far different animal than masscring 9 people because of their race and the fuckwad knows it.

215 HappyWarrior  Jun 20, 2015 2:36:50pm

re: #211 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

It is not incorrect to say that the war was NOT ENTIRELY about slavery, but Confederate revisionists turn that thesis on its head.

Right, they claim that slavery had nothing to do with the war which is totally nonsense.

216 Charles Johnson  Jun 20, 2015 2:37:21pm
217 Jenner7  Jun 20, 2015 2:37:30pm

He burned the American flag because he thought the confederate flag was the true American flag.

But yea, he’s a liberal.

Dopes.

218 HappyWarrior  Jun 20, 2015 2:38:30pm

re: #216 Charles Johnson

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Like minds. Hoft is a racist asshole like Roof is.

219 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 20, 2015 2:42:54pm

It’s the evil internet:

220 HappyWarrior  Jun 20, 2015 2:44:02pm

re: #219 Backwoods_Sleuth

It’s the evil internet:

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Bullshit. Utter bullshit.

221 De Kolta Chair  Jun 20, 2015 2:44:18pm

re: #217 Jenner7

Dopes.

222 #FergusonFireside  Jun 20, 2015 2:44:18pm
223 Targetpractice  Jun 20, 2015 2:45:06pm

re: #219 Backwoods_Sleuth

It’s the evil internet:

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Well hey, at least we’re getting closer to the truth that the shit that wingnuts spew is “evil.”

224 stpaulbear  Jun 20, 2015 2:45:40pm

re: #219 Backwoods_Sleuth

It’s the evil internet:

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“Where did this child come from? Not us.” parents tell NBC.

225 Jenner7  Jun 20, 2015 2:47:26pm
226 HappyWarrior  Jun 20, 2015 2:49:39pm

re: #225 Jenner7

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Larry Wilmore had it right, no one was denying it when the Birmingham church was bombed that it was racially motivated.

227 HappyWarrior  Jun 20, 2015 2:52:10pm

People cry a bout “racism” and “PC” but I actually see the total opposite, too many people especially Republicans who won’t call racism what it is.

228 De Kolta Chair  Jun 20, 2015 2:53:15pm
Fox News’ map of the USA
229 Charles Johnson  Jun 20, 2015 2:53:40pm
230 BeachDem  Jun 20, 2015 2:53:59pm

re: #219 Backwoods_Sleuth

It’s the evil internet:

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That article seriously made me want to barf. Paige, the ex-wife of the dad, seems to really want her 15 minutes. (She also seems to have a lot of photos—from the ones of her wounds from the dad beating her up that she released to the Daily Fail to this whole series of “aw, he was such a cute, sweet widdle thing.”)

231 Targetpractice  Jun 20, 2015 2:54:12pm

re: #225 Jenner7

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Actually, he might have well said “But the shooter is white.”

232 Charles Johnson  Jun 20, 2015 2:56:39pm

Wow, there’s some very serious insanity in those comments at the CofCC website.

webcache.googleusercontent.com

233 Amory Blaine  Jun 20, 2015 2:58:44pm

re: #222 #FergusonFireside

Liberal, black robed thugs!

234 wrenchwench  Jun 20, 2015 2:58:47pm

re: #232 Charles Johnson

Wow, there’s some very serious insanity in those comments at the CofCC website.

webcache.googleusercontent.com

‘Evangelical outreach gone bad.’ So sick in so many ways.

235 thedopefishlives  Jun 20, 2015 2:58:49pm

For those of you who are really into my land boat, I got her out on this beautiful clear Saturday afternoon and gave her a long-overdue bath. Below is the result. This should also serve as a palate cleanser for all of us, since the past couple of days have been filled with discussion of this evil young adult and his murderous ways.

Big and shiny!
236 Aunty Entity Dragon  Jun 20, 2015 2:59:00pm

re: #37 Joe Bacon

What really angers me is the unrestrained racism I deal with every workday from callers I deal with.

There are a substantial number of them that love to use the “N” word like the dam is broke when it comes to the President. And they’re hard core teabaggers who hate the same government that provides their Medicare, Social Security and especially Supplemental Security Income!

Saw a couple of them today in Mocksville, NC where I was helping with a Revolutionary War living history event.

Older middle aged woman, low income and missing most of her front teeth, spouting racist shit. Twenty something year old son who was two sandwiches short of a picnic. Complete walking stereotype of every negative Southern image you can think of.

I managed to disengage and walk away, and found other people to talk to. Life is too damned short.

237 HappyWarrior  Jun 20, 2015 2:59:07pm

re: #232 Charles Johnson

Wow, there’s some very serious insanity in those comments at the CofCC website.

webcache.googleusercontent.com

Holy crap.

238 Velvet Elvis  Jun 20, 2015 2:59:09pm

What’s with the flowers?

What kind of self-respecting white supremacist poses with a gun and flowers?

239 wrenchwench  Jun 20, 2015 2:59:58pm

re: #235 thedopefishlives

For those of you who are really into my land boat, I got her out on this beautiful clear Saturday afternoon and gave her a long-overdue bath. Below is the result. This should also serve as a palate cleanser for all of us, since the past couple of days have been filled with discussion of this evil young adult and his murderous ways.

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Let’s go to the drive-in!

240 HappyWarrior  Jun 20, 2015 3:00:42pm

re: #236 Aunty Entity Dragon

Saw a couple of them today in Mocksville, NC where I was helping with a Revolutionary War living history event.

Older middle aged woman, low income and missing most of her front teeth, spouting racist shit. Twenty something year old son who was two sandwiches short of a picnic. Complete walking stereotype of every negative Southern image you can think of.

I managed to disengage and walk away, and found other people to talk to. Life is too damned short.

It’s amazing to me the shit some whites will spout if they think they found a kindred spirit.

241 Charles Johnson  Jun 20, 2015 3:01:57pm

One of the most awful right wing trolls on Twitter — “The Mad Jewess” — posts comments at this white supremacist site:

242 HappyWarrior  Jun 20, 2015 3:02:14pm

And of course the bigots in the cache are whining that this is being called a hate crime and that “no one” talks about black on white crime. Bigoted bastards.

243 Aunty Entity Dragon  Jun 20, 2015 3:02:49pm

re: #232 Charles Johnson

Wow, there’s some very serious insanity in those comments at the CofCC website.

webcache.googleusercontent.com

It looked like an average day at Breitbart or Redstate, to be honest.

244 HappyWarrior  Jun 20, 2015 3:03:16pm

re: #241 Charles Johnson

One of the most awful right wing trolls on Twitter posts comments at this white supremacist site:

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Yeah the left did it. Fuck off cons and actually try some of that personal responsibility you’re so fond of.

245 De Kolta Chair  Jun 20, 2015 3:03:28pm

re: #235 thedopefishlives

For those of you who are really into my land boat, I got her out on this beautiful clear Saturday afternoon and gave her a long-overdue bath. Below is the result. This should also serve as a palate cleanser for all of us, since the past couple of days have been filled with discussion of this evil young adult and his murderous ways.

Dang, you could sell that to the Navy as an aircraft carrier. Nice.

246 HappyWarrior  Jun 20, 2015 3:04:05pm

re: #243 Aunty Entity Dragon

It looked like an average day at Breitbart or Redstate, to be honest.

Yeah not really much different and from what GOP candidates and conservative talking heads say.

247 thedopefishlives  Jun 20, 2015 3:04:53pm

re: #245 De Kolta Chair

Dang, you could sell that to the Navy as an aircraft carrier.

One of the biggest, heaviest land cruisers to ever roll out of Detroit. Also the last of its kind, as all of Ford’s competitors had already downsized their full-size sedans the previous model year. It doesn’t have a ton of power, but it doesn’t need it. It has class.

248 Amory Blaine  Jun 20, 2015 3:05:12pm

re: #232 Charles Johnson

Their site must be down for maintenance.

249 HappyWarrior  Jun 20, 2015 3:06:19pm

re: #248 Amory Blaine

Their site must be down for maintenance.

Hopefully forever.

250 Charles Johnson  Jun 20, 2015 3:07:10pm
251 ObserverArt  Jun 20, 2015 3:08:13pm

re: #226 HappyWarrior

Larry Wilmore had it right, no one was denying it when the Birmingham church was bombed that it was racially motivated.

But everything was fixed up after that see, and racism was eliminated. Today shooting up a Black church can’t be racist because it was fixed. This has got to be something else.

Besides, liberals always believe in that Supreme Court law stuff, and the Chief Justice said there was no more racism in America as far as institutionalized.

Why do you liberals keep dragging up this bad memory and bashing the good folk of South Carolina over the head with it time and time again?

Stay in your states up north and never no mind. You have enough problems to be fixing in Chicago. More people kilt up there in a week than down here. We take care of our own. You take care of your own.

Have a good day. And don’t come back, ya’ here. If you know what is good for you.

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252 BeachDem  Jun 20, 2015 3:09:35pm

re: #219 Backwoods_Sleuth

It’s the evil internet:

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re: #230 BeachDem

That article seriously made me want to barf. Paige, the ex-wife of the dad, seems to really want her 15 minutes. (She also seems to have a lot of photos—from the ones of her wounds from the dad beating her up that she released to the Daily Fail to this whole series of “aw, he was such a cute, sweet widdle thing.”)

Plus—this Paige’s family doesn’t seem to be able to even keep their stories straight. In this one, Paige’s mother says (before adding the obligatory death threats report),

“Ben comes from a very good family, very well-educated, from church-going, God-loving people who would never condone or teach this to their children. I don’t know when Dylann got lost,”

In her quotes from the Daily Fail Article, this same woman said,

Her daughter’s marriage had been a ‘source of great concern’ on numerous occasions, she added. ‘Prior to the marriage, a pattern of control and mental manipulation was evident to me and many of (Paige’s) friends… I am well acquainted with the signs of an abusive relationship… Hastings said that Franklin (Ben) was ‘manipulative’ and that once in January 2009 he came round and was ‘pounding on the front door and yelling in the extreme’.

253 HappyWarrior  Jun 20, 2015 3:10:24pm

re: #250 Charles Johnson

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Hasn’t been for a while. The party of Limcoln resembles Lincoln Rockwell than Honest Abe and John Fremont’s.

254 Amory Blaine  Jun 20, 2015 3:10:33pm

re: #232 Charles Johnson

Wow, there’s some very serious insanity in those comments at the CofCC website.

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cofccprez2015 Charles Martel • a day ago
I understand his motivation — I’ve felt the same way many times — but his choice of targets was extremely poor…
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255 HappyWarrior  Jun 20, 2015 3:11:16pm

re: #254 Amory Blaine

What the fuck?

256 De Kolta Chair  Jun 20, 2015 3:11:24pm

re: #247 thedopefishlives

One of the biggest, heaviest land cruisers to ever roll out of Detroit. Also the last of its kind, as all of Ford’s competitors had already downsized their full-size sedans the previous model year. It doesn’t have a ton of power, but it doesn’t need it. It has class.

Impressive. My first thought was my wife’s late uncle’s love of land yachts and the second was Scorsese’s Goodfellas. ;-)

257 thedopefishlives  Jun 20, 2015 3:12:51pm

re: #256 De Kolta Chair

Impressive. My first thought was my wife’s late uncle’s love of land yachts and the second was Scorcese’s Goodfellas. ;-)

It was just after they changed away from the suicide doors, but you can still fit 3 bodies in the trunk.

258 De Kolta Chair  Jun 20, 2015 3:14:26pm

BBL It’s Italian hot sausage night. Urrà!

259 ObserverArt  Jun 20, 2015 3:14:37pm

re: #239 wrenchwench

Let’s go to the drive-in!

Party in the back seat. All ten of us. But, we all need to chip in for gas.

260 thedopefishlives  Jun 20, 2015 3:15:34pm

re: #239 wrenchwench

Let’s go to the drive-in!

Actually, now that you mention it, the local drive-in has a classic car show every Thursday night. When I get the top restored (probably going to be a while as funds are tight right now), I’ll see if they’ll let me take her down there and show her off.

261 Aunty Entity Dragon  Jun 20, 2015 3:15:41pm

re: #241 Charles Johnson

One of the most awful right wing trolls on Twitter — “The Mad Jewess” — posts comments at this white supremacist site:

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I need a fucking shower.

I just looked at her website. She actually has a section labled “Black & Hispanic Crimes

Not really joking here: her website is Stormfront without the charm and wit.

262 Charles Johnson  Jun 20, 2015 3:16:20pm
263 Tigger2  Jun 20, 2015 3:16:30pm

re: #103 thedopefishlives

I doubt it. He’s probably disappointed that he didn’t get to go out in his blaze of glory like he’d planned.

I guess in the end he was to much of a racist coward to go out in a blaze of glory.

264 unproven innocence  Jun 20, 2015 3:17:17pm

re: #238 Velvet Elvis

What’s with the flowers?

What kind of self-respecting white supremacist poses with a gun and flowers?

Flowers may be part of some family-related (or sole-proprietor) business, I’d guess. And what I said earlier about the two large gourds in one pic being suspicious, ignore please. They may just be elements of a watering system for the flowers.

265 sagehen  Jun 20, 2015 3:18:05pm

re: #235 thedopefishlives

For those of you who are really into my land boat, I got her out on this beautiful clear Saturday afternoon and gave her a long-overdue bath. Below is the result. This should also serve as a palate cleanser for all of us, since the past couple of days have been filled with discussion of this evil young adult and his murderous ways.

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can I assume it’s got well-padded leather seats, and the back seat is large enough to be a perfect place for virginity-loss (or elders reliving their virginity loss)?

266 wrenchwench  Jun 20, 2015 3:19:56pm

re: #259 ObserverArt

Party in the back seat. All ten of us. But, we all need to chip in for gas.

I was one of eleven people to cram into a Karmann Ghia, but half of them were under 10 years old.

267 ObserverArt  Jun 20, 2015 3:21:06pm

He was a nice boy. Look at them flowers. And then one day he was lost. Just like that. It was the strangest thing. You just never know these days. Mmmm, mmm, mmmm.

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268 Aunty Entity Dragon  Jun 20, 2015 3:21:44pm

re: #262 Charles Johnson

I notice that he has the same facial expression in every picture. Every single one. His eyes look the same. I’m wondering if he has an undiagnosed serious mental condition. There is something really unnerving about his utter lack of presence in the pictures…like he is some sort of sullen mannequin.

269 Amory Blaine  Jun 20, 2015 3:21:55pm

re: #235 thedopefishlives

You swingin’ by with that sweet ride? I had a boat that size when I went to school. I used to be able to take exquisite naps between classes completely lying flat in the back seat with the drivers seat pushed up.

1972 Pontiac Grandville Convertible

During that fluke in the late 90s when gas dropped to ~ $0.75.

270 wrenchwench  Jun 20, 2015 3:24:35pm

I do not know how drunk that is.

271 Archangelus  Jun 20, 2015 3:25:17pm

Dear RWNJs, one is the official flag of the country you live in, the other is a pathetic remnant of treasonous a**holes. Learn. The. Damn. Difference.

272 #FergusonFireside  Jun 20, 2015 3:26:37pm

re: #263 Tigger2

I guess in the end he was to much of a racist coward to go out in a blase of glory.

Heard he wanted to go to Nashville because he’d never been before.

273 ObserverArt  Jun 20, 2015 3:27:26pm

Reading some of the wacko excuses and comments on some of these web sites, you’d think this was Zimmerman standing his ground.

274 CuriousLurker  Jun 20, 2015 3:28:05pm

re: #272 #FergusonFireside

Heard he wanted to go to Nashville because he’d never been before.

He’s never gonna see it now.

275 TedStriker  Jun 20, 2015 3:28:14pm

re: #219 Backwoods_Sleuth

It’s the evil internet:

Hey, at least we’ve progressed from the video games/movies “argument”, though I think some people are still trying to play that angle, despite Roof’s virulent racism being as plain as the noses on their faces.

276 Eric The Fruit Bat  Jun 20, 2015 3:30:09pm

re: #241 Charles Johnson

I wouldn’t fuck the Mad Jewess with CCJ’s dick.

277 Amory Blaine  Jun 20, 2015 3:30:44pm

This would be an opportunity for new boss Murdoch to change the mission.

*reworded

278 Eric The Fruit Bat  Jun 20, 2015 3:31:51pm

re: #271 Archangelus

Ought to send that off to Zazzle and have them print off a metric shit ton.

279 thedopefishlives  Jun 20, 2015 3:36:34pm

re: #265 sagehen

can I assume it’s got well-padded leather seats, and the back seat is large enough to be a perfect place for virginity-loss (or elders reliving their virginity loss)?

Actually, it has a cloth interior. I’m not sure about the ‘70’s vintage, but in later year Lincolns, cloth interior is quite rare.

280 BeachDem  Jun 20, 2015 3:36:56pm

Washington Post story sounds more like a romance novel:

…a quiet, shy boy who mostly kept to himself…Roof’s slow, aimless walk into adolescence veered off its lightly marked path…drifting anonymously without the apparent moorings of common teenage interests…

While Roof was quiet and “did stay a lot to himself,”… his mother “never raised him to be like this.”…Back in Gaston, even as he described Roof as a quiet young man who kept out of trouble…

washingtonpost.com

From the HuffPo, white suspect vs. black victim story from last year, a few examples:

WHITE SUSPECTS
Ala. suspect brilliant but social misfit
Son in Staten Island murders was brilliant, athletic—but his demons were the death of parents

BLACK VICTIMS
Trayvon Martin was suspended 3 times from school
Montgomery’s latest homicide victim had history of narcotics abuse, tangles with the law

huffingtonpost.com

And the truly disgusting headlines at cleveland.com right after Tamir Rice’s murder on November 23:

November 24 headline:
Lawyer representing Tamir Rice’s family defended boy’s mom in drug trafficking case
cleveland.com

November 26 headline:
Tamir Rice’s father has history of domestic violence
cleveland.com

281 Jenner7  Jun 20, 2015 3:37:35pm
282 thedopefishlives  Jun 20, 2015 3:37:58pm

re: #269 Amory Blaine

You swingin’ by with that sweet ride? I had a boat that size when I went to school. I used to be able to take exquisite naps between classes completely lying flat in the back seat with the drivers seat pushed up.

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During that fluke in the late 90s when gas dropped to ~ $0.75.

My father-in-law suggests that I should drive the beast back to fish country sometime. It’d be a fantastic road trip for the old girl… Expensive, but fantastic.

283 Jenner7  Jun 20, 2015 3:38:11pm

Don’t forget to click the vines to stop them.

284 Archangelus  Jun 20, 2015 3:38:14pm

re: #278 Eric The Fruit Bat

Ought to send that off to Zazzle and have them print off a metric shit ton.

Wish I was rich enough to be able to afford having it printed in billboard size and plastered in prominent locations in S. Carolina and a few other prime locations where the flag of treason still flies high.

Optionally with this by its side:

285 BeachDem  Jun 20, 2015 3:39:10pm

re: #272 #FergusonFireside

Heard he wanted to go to Nashville because he’d never been before.

286 CuriousLurker  Jun 20, 2015 3:40:54pm

I can’t even imagine what it’s like to be 21 and be facing what could be a very long life of incarceration (if he doesn’t get the death penalty) filled with nothing but the bleakness of prison and thinking about the people you killed. I’m pretty sure they’ll have to keep him in in solitary as he’d almost surely get killed on the first day if they put him in the general population.

What a stupid waste of a life. He should’ve just gone ahead and committed suicide by cop. *spit*

287 Aunty Entity Dragon  Jun 20, 2015 3:40:59pm

re: #274 CuriousLurker

He’s never gonna see it now.

From “How to sing the Blues”, Event Magazine, January 2003

6. Teenagers can’t sing the Blues They ain’t fixin’ to die yet. Adults sing the Blues. In Blues, “adulthood” means being old enough to get the electric chair if you shoot a man in Memphis Nashville.

288 Eric The Fruit Bat  Jun 20, 2015 3:43:22pm

GAME ON! Burn the Confederate Flag Day, Jul 4! Make the COnfederate Flag and Propane the Top sellers on Amazon!

289 psddluva4evah  Jun 20, 2015 3:43:40pm
Charleston Church Shooter Dylann Roof Was Loner Caught in ‘Internet Evil’: Family nbcnews.to via @nbcnews

So the killer had a manifesto…and now the family is blaming the internet, FauxNews/Conserv/RWNJ are still trying to blame Obama, or war on Christians (but wait the killer is a Christian aint’ he!)

Like I said last night…It too much for some white folk to handle, that this killer has the same or close to the same attitude and views as they themselves have expressed or someone they love or “respect” has expressed. But hey, no way would their family do what this killer did…

But hey, what about that grandson or nephew or young cousin who’s listening at pop-pop’s knee, or who’s playing with their toys on the floor as ole cousin Raymon’ spouts off about “heritage and the Confederacy”…

Hate begets hate. Racism is learned/taught.

290 Mike Lamb  Jun 20, 2015 3:45:23pm

So here’s a question: who is taking the pics for Roof’s web site/Facebook? Or does he just have a tripod and a timer?

291 Aunty Entity Dragon  Jun 20, 2015 3:46:30pm

re: #288 Eric The Fruit Bat

GAME ON! Burn the Confederate Flag Day, Jul 4! Make the COnfederate Flag and Propane the Top sellers on Amazon!

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I am seriously considering doing that or the 4th.

292 Aunty Entity Dragon  Jun 20, 2015 3:47:00pm

Out for now. Have a good weekend, everyone.

293 CuriousLurker  Jun 20, 2015 3:47:21pm

re: #290 Mike Lamb

So here’s a question: who is taking the pics for Roof’s web site/Facebook? Or does he just have a tripod and a timer?

Maybe the roommate that was mentioned?

294 Archangelus  Jun 20, 2015 3:48:35pm

re: #288 Eric The Fruit Bat

GAME ON! Burn the Confederate Flag Day, Jul 4! Make the Confederate Flag and Propane the Top sellers on Amazon!

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Fine by me!

295 Dark_Falcon  Jun 20, 2015 3:48:54pm

re: #286 CuriousLurker

I can’t even imagine what it’s like to be 21 and be facing what could be a very long life of incarceration (if he doesn’t get the death penalty) filled with nothing but the bleakness of prison and thinking about the people you killed. I’m pretty sure they’ll have to keep him in in solitary as he’d almost surely get killed on the first day if they put him in the general population.

What a stupid waste of a life. He should’ve just gone ahead and committed suicide by cop. *spit*

No, its better he was arrested. This way, process can be followed and we can better say that some measure of justice was done.

296 Feline Fearless Leader  Jun 20, 2015 3:52:02pm

re: #228 De Kolta Chair

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Notice that point about 1/3 of the way through where the liberal bluebird craps on you.
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297 Eric The Fruit Bat  Jun 20, 2015 3:53:38pm

re: #294 Archangelus

Then let’s make this happen. Make sure to use the Amazon link of the mainpage here to order your supplies. As for the time, I would pick when the incident occurred.

298 Charles Johnson  Jun 20, 2015 3:53:43pm

Man. These people.

299 Charles Johnson  Jun 20, 2015 3:54:35pm

re: #290 Mike Lamb

So here’s a question: who is taking the pics for Roof’s web site/Facebook? Or does he just have a tripod and a timer?

They look like timed selfies to me.

300 thedopefishlives  Jun 20, 2015 3:57:03pm

re: #298 Charles Johnson

Man. These people.

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You advocated the murder of Christians? Shit, why didn’t I hear about th—+++CARRIER LOST

301 BeachDem  Jun 20, 2015 3:59:52pm

A few oldies but goodies.

South Carolina during the 2008 election:

Nikki Haley during the 2014 elections:

Her actual quote: “What I can tell you is over the last three and a half years, I spent a lot of my days on the phones with CEOs and recruiting jobs to this state. I can honestly say I have not had one conversation with a single CEO about the Confederate flag,”

302 CuriousLurker  Jun 20, 2015 4:00:58pm

re: #298 Charles Johnson

Man. These people.

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lolwut—another one for my block list.

303 stpaulbear  Jun 20, 2015 4:01:08pm

re: #288 Eric The Fruit Bat

GAME ON! Burn the Confederate Flag Day, Jul 4! Make the COnfederate Flag and Propane the Top sellers on Amazon!

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How about making color copies of the flag on a copier rather than spending money on the (literally) goddamned thing? Nobody should profit from selling that flag.

304 Tigger2  Jun 20, 2015 4:02:20pm

re: #301 BeachDem

A few oldies but goodies.

South Carolina during the 2008 election:

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Nikki Haley during the 2014 elections:

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Her actual quote: “What I can tell you is over the last three and a half years, I spent a lot of my days on the phones with CEOs and recruiting jobs to this state. I can honestly say I have not had one conversation with a single CEO about the Confederate flag,”

It’s about time CEOs have a problem with that Flag, How about some Boycotts until that flags gone.

305 CuriousLurker  Jun 20, 2015 4:02:23pm

re: #303 stpaulbear

How about making color copies of the flag on a copier rather than spending money of the (literaly) goddamned thing? Nobody should profit from selling that flag.

Good point.

306 stpaulbear  Jun 20, 2015 4:07:38pm

re: #303 stpaulbear

But don’t print it from your work computer…

307 Cheechako  Jun 20, 2015 4:08:33pm

OT - Time for something upbeat…the Walrus Cam is back on-line!

Walrus Cam

308 Eric The Fruit Bat  Jun 20, 2015 4:08:44pm

re: #303 stpaulbear

I got a color printer, so I can deal with that.

309 stpaulbear  Jun 20, 2015 4:09:59pm

re: #304 Tigger2

It’s about time CEOs have a problem with that Flag, How about some Boycotts until that flags gone.

I bet Nikki’s been hearing from some CEOs lately.

310 #FergusonFireside  Jun 20, 2015 4:16:34pm

re: #307 Cheechako

OT - Time for something upbeat…the Walrus Cam is back on-line!

Walrus Cam

The large one front & center finally moved!!!

311 goddamnedfrank  Jun 20, 2015 4:16:38pm

Today has been interesting, people genuinely wondering why somebody with a 9th grade education created such a shitty web page using only ASCII text and a zip file. Then wondering how he managed to take self timed photos like that’s some kind of rocket science. Then switching back and being amazed that he was able to write down his hatred lucidly at all, like he didn’t just crib all those ideas form other hate sites.

I have no idea where this impetus to view Roof’s manifesto as a hoax comes from, but it’s weird.

312 De Kolta Chair  Jun 20, 2015 4:18:10pm

Damn straight.

Ride The High Country (1961), written by N.B. Stone Jr. and William Roberts, and directed by Sam Peckinpah
313 Targetpractice  Jun 20, 2015 4:20:44pm

re: #311 goddamnedfrank

Today has been interesting, people genuinely wondering why somebody with a 9th grade education created such a shitty web page using only ASCII text and a zip file. Then wondering how he managed to take self timed photos like that’s some kind of rocket science. Then switching back and being amazed that he was able to write down his hatred lucidly at all, like he didn’t just crib all those ideas form other hate sites.

I have no idea where this impetus to view Roof’s manifesto as a hoax comes from, but it’s weird.

Because too much of that manifesto is shit they’ve found themselves saying at one time or another. Like suggesting that what we’ve told about slavery are “myth and lies,” using the statistics about how many people owned slaves or testimonials about “happy slaves” to argue that slavery wasn’t all that bad.

314 Varek Raith  Jun 20, 2015 4:20:53pm

Incoming!
nbcwashington.com

315 thedopefishlives  Jun 20, 2015 4:21:16pm

re: #314 Varek Raith

Incoming!
nbcwashington.com

Duck and cover!

316 Charles Johnson  Jun 20, 2015 4:22:41pm

Oh yes. Now they’re really starting to get weird.

FIVE Very Liberal Ideas From Dylann Roof’s Racist Manifesto

317 Targetpractice  Jun 20, 2015 4:24:10pm

re: #316 Charles Johnson

Oh yes. Now they’re really starting to get weird.

FIVE Very Liberal Ideas From Dylann Roof’s Racist Manifesto

The lengths they’re going to portray him as anything but one of their own is just utterly mindblowing.

318 Dark_Falcon  Jun 20, 2015 4:24:50pm

Coming soon to Texas, for the wingnut who doesn’t think a gun enough of a ‘statement’:

Commercial XM42 flamethrower hits the open market (VIDEO)

The XM42 is the result of personal ambition and a lot of helping hands in the form of an Indiegogo campaign. It’s the world’s first commercially-produced flamethrower by Ion Productions, and it’s available and for sale now to the general public.

And before you think this is a firebug’s dream come true — which it is, we’re not even going to try to argue otherwise — it’s also a serious tool. While the first thing that comes to mind is that this is a slightly grown-up version of shooting matchsticks out of BB guns the XM42 was an instant hit with farmers looking for a cheap and efficient way to clear land and for firefighters to use for controlled burns.

As a result the crowdfunding effort pretty effortlessly drummed up the support needed to put the idea into real production. They raised $50,000 in the first day of the project, more than the $40,000 goal, eventually taking in over $157,000 in pre-orders and pledges.

“Although I knew the XM42 was a cool concept, I had no idea it would cause a firestorm of interest and orders right off the bat,” said Chris Byars, XM42 project leader. “I’m proud of how far my design has come from its early days, and am eager to start sharing the XM42 with everyone.”

I CAN see legit uses for this thing, but I’d be lying if I said it didn’t somewhat scare me.

319 Kragar  Jun 20, 2015 4:27:23pm

re: #318 Dark_Falcon

Coming soon to Texas, for the wingnut who doesn’t think a gun enough of a ‘statement’:

Commercial XM42 flamethrower hits the open market (VIDEO)

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I CAN see legit uses for this thing, but I’d be lying if I said it didn’t somewhat scare me.

It has about as many “legit uses” as a Zombie Assault Vehicle

320 thedopefishlives  Jun 20, 2015 4:28:37pm

re: #317 Targetpractice

The lengths they’re going to portray him as anything but one of their own is just utterly mindblowing.

This is what they do. Whereas honest people would stop, take a look at themselves, and admit the problem, these people - liars and hypocrites to the core - stop, take a look at themselves, and invent lies out of fear of other people pointing fingers.

321 jaunte  Jun 20, 2015 4:28:51pm

re: #319 Kragar

That should take care of the ‘confederate flag nailed to the flagpole’ problem.

322 Shiplord Kirel  Jun 20, 2015 4:29:40pm

Time again for Tennessee Ernie Ford’s rousing rendition of the iconic Union marching song.

Sherman made good on his promise to make Georgia howl and many of them are howling to this day. Any mention of Sherman’s March will drive secesh apologists and Confederate zombies into a frothing rage; a response I count as a bonus. They have consequently bestirred themselves to infest the comments for this video in force. There are plenty of loyalist commenters to counter the rebel invective, lies, and delusions though. People are waking up, it is time to consign the “Lost Cause” to the dustbin of history, along with witch burning, the divine right of kings, and phlogiston theory.

Btw, Ernie Ford was born and reared in the Union stronghold of Bristol County.

323 Tigger2  Jun 20, 2015 4:29:44pm

re: #319 Kragar

It has about as many “legit uses” as a Zombie Assault Vehicle

I would have liked to have had one when I camped all the time to start campfires when the wood was wet.

324 ObserverArt  Jun 20, 2015 4:31:15pm

re: #318 Dark_Falcon

Coming soon to Texas, for the wingnut who doesn’t think a gun enough of a ‘statement’:

Commercial XM42 flamethrower hits the open market (VIDEO)

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Video

I CAN see legit uses for this thing, but I’d be lying if I said it didn’t somewhat scare me.

Legit?

What web sites do you go to to find out about something like a flame thrower? gunsgunsguns.com, never_too_much_destruction.com or letsplayarmy.org???

325 stpaulbear  Jun 20, 2015 4:31:17pm

re: #318 Dark_Falcon

Coming soon to Texas, for the wingnut who doesn’t think a gun enough of a ‘statement’:

I CAN see legit uses for this thing, but I’d be lying if I said it didn’t somewhat scare me.

Just, No. Watching that video makes it seem like an even worse idea than it already is. He presents it as if it’s nothing worse than a weed whacker. No.

326 OhNoZombies!  Jun 20, 2015 4:34:06pm

I’d be lying if I said the thought of having a zombie assault vehicle wasn’t slightly appealing.
Just saying…

327 ObserverArt  Jun 20, 2015 4:35:14pm

Ha! gunsgunsguns is a real web site. I shoulda knowed!

328 thedopefishlives  Jun 20, 2015 4:35:46pm

re: #327 ObserverArt

Ha! gunsgunsguns is a real web site. I shoulda knowed!

I’m pretty sure you could turn monkeys loose on a keyboard and get like a 90% hit rate on legitimate URL’s.

329 Skip Intro  Jun 20, 2015 4:37:24pm

re: #250 Charles Johnson

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These people are the GOP base.

330 HappyWarrior  Jun 20, 2015 4:37:36pm

re: #316 Charles Johnson

Oh yes. Now they’re really starting to get weird.

FIVE Very Liberal Ideas From Dylann Roof’s Racist Manifesto

Approving cites the CCC, yeah totes a liberal. What kind of delusion do these people drink.

331 BeachDem  Jun 20, 2015 4:38:05pm

re: #317 Targetpractice

The lengths they’re going to portray him as anything but one of their own is just utterly mindblowing.

It’s a massive

(not even taking into account that they got some of the quotes backward.)

332 Varek Raith  Jun 20, 2015 4:38:16pm

Jesus, that one was loud.

333 HappyWarrior  Jun 20, 2015 4:38:57pm

Don’t politicize this. But Dylann was a liberal. What a crock of pathetic right wing shit. Own it cons, he’s one of yours.

334 klys (maker of Silmarils)  Jun 20, 2015 4:40:04pm

So I’m running around frantically trying to get ready for this camping trip and did my daily check to see if there were any new crashes reported on my app. And my installs jumped. Hugely. Biggest increase I’ve ever seen in a day.

I went from just under 200 users to probably over 275 and I have no idea where it got linked.

And of course I’m going to be out of town for a week with limited email and they’re all going to find bugs, I just know it.

335 thedopefishlives  Jun 20, 2015 4:41:11pm

re: #334 klys (maker of Silmarils)

So I’m running around frantically trying to get ready for this camping trip and did my daily check to see if there were any new crashes reported on my app. And my installs jumped. Hugely. Biggest increase I’ve ever seen in a day.

I went from just under 200 users to probably over 275 and I have no idea where it got linked.

And of course I’m going to be out of town for a week with limited email and they’re all going to find bugs, I just know it.

Relax. Deep breath. You don’t have to fix every bug the minute it comes in. Granted, it’s great if you can, but users expect bugfixes to take time because software companies can’t turn around releases in a day like Jane Programmer can.

336 CuriousLurker  Jun 20, 2015 4:41:21pm

I wonder what’s going to happen with that “free speech” (read anti-Muslim hate rally) that’s due to be held next Saturday in Charleston:

So much like Mother Teresa! He’s quite the thoughtful guy, don’t you think? On Facebook, Ritzheimer was excited to share an announcement for another “Free Speech” rally scheduled for June 27 in Charleston, South Carolina; he also shared with TPM his advice for anyone who wants to organize such a rally:

“Make a fake, their own fake Facebook account — a John Doe — and set the event up like that,” he said. “You don’t want this spotlight. I didn’t, I — this is not what I intended. I don’t like the spotlight. It’s hot and it burns.”

[…]

wonkette.com

I guess the pea-brain’s enthusiasm was sapped because the link to his announcement is “unavailable” now. The other link, presumably put up by the organizers, still works. There doesn’t seem to be much enthusiasm for it either though as out of 418 invited it looks like only 75 have said they’re going and there are 24 maybes. If you go there, do NOT read the comments unless you have a string stomach.

You know what? I hope a whole bunch of those assholes show up armed to the teeth and that the DHS & FBI is there taking photos & writing down names & license plate numbers.

337 b.d.  Jun 20, 2015 4:41:46pm

re: #316 Charles Johnson

Oh yes. Now they’re really starting to get weird.

FIVE Very Liberal Ideas From Dylann Roof’s Racist Manifesto

I’m sure Dylann voted for Obama too.

//

338 TedStriker  Jun 20, 2015 4:43:10pm

re: #326 OhNoZombies!

I’d be lying if I said the thought of having a zombie assault vehicle wasn’t slightly appealing.
Just saying…

Looks at ONZ!’s nick…

*whistles*

339 ObserverArt  Jun 20, 2015 4:43:26pm

re: #337 b.d.

I’m sure Dylann voted for Obama too.

//

Twice!

/

340 klys (maker of Silmarils)  Jun 20, 2015 4:43:41pm

re: #335 thedopefishlives

Relax. Deep breath. You don’t have to fix every bug the minute it comes in. Granted, it’s great if you can, but users expect bugfixes to take time because software companies can’t turn around releases in a day like Jane Programmer can.

Currently I have a record of all fixes out within 24 hours of the point I become aware of them, so I’m trying my best to make sure people know I will be out of town.

Setting up the auto-responder on my e-mail now.

341 Higgs Boson's Mate  Jun 20, 2015 4:44:33pm

re: #334 klys (maker of Silmarils)

Congratulations! Are you talking about your cross stitch app?

342 Dark_Falcon  Jun 20, 2015 4:44:37pm

re: #333 HappyWarrior

Don’t politicize this. But Dylann was a liberal. What a crock of pathetic right wing shit. Own it cons, he’s one of yours.

Neo-Confederates and Nazis are none of mine. I’ve opposed those assholes since I became politically aware.

343 BeachDem  Jun 20, 2015 4:44:40pm

re: #322 Shiplord Kirel

Time again for Tennessee Ernie Ford’s rousing rendition of the iconic Union marching song.

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Sherman made good on his promise to make Georgia howl and many of them are howling to this day. Any mention of Sherman’s March will drive secesh apologists and Confederate zombies into a frothing rage; a response I count as a bonus.

Well, if you’re ever in Columbia (perhaps for the flag removal?), be sure to stay at the Clarion. Not the nicest hotel in Columbia, but quite significant. Heh.

344 CuriousLurker  Jun 20, 2015 4:44:47pm

re: #340 klys (maker of Silmarils)

Currently I have a record of all fixes out within 24 hours of the point I become aware of them, so I’m trying my best to make sure people know I will be out of town.

Setting up the auto-responder on my e-mail now.

Sometimes it sucks being the conscientious type, doesn’t it? ;)

345 klys (maker of Silmarils)  Jun 20, 2015 4:45:37pm

re: #341 Higgs Boson’s Mate

Congratulations! Are you talking about your cross stitch app?

Yep.

I went to the local needlework store today too for their sale and did my best to support them, and showed the owner. She’s going to plug it for me in her next newsletter, plus she’s going to provide some data for threads so I can build more import lists.

346 Dark_Falcon  Jun 20, 2015 4:46:42pm

re: #342 Dark_Falcon

Neo-Confederates and Nazis are none of mine. I’ve opposed those assholes since I became politically aware.

347 HappyWarrior  Jun 20, 2015 4:46:56pm

re: #342 Dark_Falcon

Neo-Confederates and Nazis are none of mine. I’ve opposed those assholes since I became politically aware.

He’s definitely right wing. And his comments about black people are identical to what you read on right wing news sources.

348 Skip Intro  Jun 20, 2015 4:48:05pm

The Seven Stages of Gun Violence (updated)

Because it always has to be updated.

It’s been two three years since I first wrote this on the day after a madman stepped into a darkened movie theater in Aurora, Colorado and started killing people. Since then more than ten twenty thousand Americans have died from gun violence, three seven times more than died on September 11th, 2001, more than all the military personnel killed in Iraq and Afghanistan. There have been so many mass shootings between the day I wrote this and now that I’ve lost track, one killing blurs into another and the bloody rampages seem to be our new national pastime.

Jim Wright

stonekettle.com

349 HappyWarrior  Jun 20, 2015 4:48:32pm

re: #346 Dark_Falcon

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Ok you like Lincoln DF but I know for a fact that Lincoln is about as popular as Obama in your party’s Southern wing, don’t insult our intelligence here please.

350 Targetpractice  Jun 20, 2015 4:49:34pm

re: #333 HappyWarrior

Don’t politicize this. But Dylann was a liberal. What a crock of pathetic right wing shit. Own it cons, he’s one of yours.

“Libruls are trying to politicize this tragedy! It has nothing to do with race or guns! Now, let us tell you how Roof was a diehard liberal!!!”

351 Romantic Heretic  Jun 20, 2015 4:50:22pm

re: #168 Amory Blaine

Arizona Sheriff Joe Arpaio Sending Armed Guards to Protect Black Churches

The feds need to get this guy under control.

I’m hoping this doesn’t lead to any, “We had to destroy it in order to save it,” moments.

352 CuriousLurker  Jun 20, 2015 4:52:11pm

re: #168 Amory Blaine

Arizona Sheriff Joe Arpaio Sending Armed Guards to Protect Black Churches

The feds need to get this guy under control.

Who’s he trying to kid? Everyone knows what a bigoted, racist prick he is.

353 SteveMcGaziBolaGate  Jun 20, 2015 4:52:13pm

re: #323 Tigger2

I would have liked to have had one when I camped all the time to start campfires when the wood was wet.

I went camping once with an Eagle scout and i was really curious how an Eagle scout starts a fire. He uses a plumbers’ propane torch and it only takes about 10 seconds.

354 HappyWarrior  Jun 20, 2015 4:55:53pm

re: #350 Targetpractice

“Libruls are trying to politicize this tragedy! It has nothing to do with race or guns! Now, let us tell you how Roof was a diehard liberal!!!”

I am not even saying that Root was a typical conservative but his views were definitely of the right wing and to try to claim him as a liberal is just obscene. It’s like conservatives have it programmed in their brains that they can’t ever admit that people right of center are capable of evil. Oh Hitler? He was a lefty. Neo-Nazi who despises black people, Jews, etc? Liberal. Really assholes stop lying to yourselves. Racism in this country has mostly been a problem courtesy of the right wing.Does that mean your average American conservative is a white supremacist? Certainly not but don’t insult everyone’s intelligence and try to claim the killer was a leftist because your ideology is such a cult to you that you can’t ever admit conservatives are capable of evil.

355 TedStriker  Jun 20, 2015 4:57:17pm

re: #353 SteveMcGaziBolaGate

I went camping once with an Eagle scout and i was really curious how an Eagle scout starts a fire. He uses a plumbers’ propane torch and it only takes about 10 seconds.

Not exactly “standard issue”, but it works, as does a 9V battery and wad of steel wool.

/another Eagle Scout

356 Dark_Falcon  Jun 20, 2015 4:57:28pm

re: #349 HappyWarrior

Ok you like Lincoln DF but I know for a fact that Lincoln is about as popular as Obama in your party’s Southern wing, don’t insult our intelligence here please.

I’m not one of those people, is all I’m saying. There’s different kinds of conservatives, and many of those kinds don’t give houseroom to human cancer cells like DipShit Roof.

357 HappyWarrior  Jun 20, 2015 4:57:53pm

Conservatives love to accuse us on the left of supporting multiculturalism, diversity, etc and then a white supremacist who espouses the total opposite shit. Their first reaction is “Well obviously he was a liberal.” The people who defend the Confederate flag repeatedly, accuse the left of not respecting “states rights”, but but but the CSA were liberals because most of them were Democrats and the Democratic Party of 1865 is identical to the Democratic Party of 2015.

358 Eric The Fruit Bat  Jun 20, 2015 4:58:04pm

re: #322 Shiplord Kirel

Some idiot RWNJ radio host in Houston said I would be visited by the ghost of Stonewall Jackson to ‘set me striaght’. I posted the Tennessee Ernie Ford song link back to him. Hopefully his head will explode.

359 De Kolta Chair  Jun 20, 2015 4:58:04pm

re: #351 Romantic Heretic

I’m hoping this doesn’t lead to any, “We had to destroy it in order to save it,” moments.

Arpaio grew up in Springfield, Massachusetts before moving to Arizona. As someone who has followed the same geographical route, all I can say is pahk da cah and pin him to a saguaro.

360 stpaulbear  Jun 20, 2015 4:58:13pm

re: #342 Dark_Falcon

Neo-Confederates and Nazis are none of mine. I’ve opposed those assholes since I became politically aware.

Do you think it’s VERY important that a presidential candidate should actually be willing to say that what happened in Charolette Charleston is racially motivated?

Edited to correct brain fart.

361 PhillyPretzel  Jun 20, 2015 4:58:26pm

re: #353 SteveMcGaziBolaGate

My brother-in-law is a scout master and I have seen him start a fire by rubbing a stick into a hole of a small square of wood. I have also seen him use a propane torch to do the same thing.

362 Higgs Boson's Mate  Jun 20, 2015 4:58:41pm

re: #345 klys (maker of Silmarils)

Yep.

I went to the local needlework store today too for their sale and did my best to support them, and showed the owner. She’s going to plug it for me in her next newsletter, plus she’s going to provide some data for threads so I can build more import lists.

That is cool. It’s nice when a hobby that’s been around as long as cross stitch can be enhanced with modern technology.

363 Tigger2  Jun 20, 2015 4:58:56pm

re: #353 SteveMcGaziBolaGate

I went camping once with an Eagle scout and i was really curious how an Eagle scout starts a fire. He uses a plumbers’ propane torch and it only takes about 10 seconds.

I always just took a can of charcoal lighter fluid with me incase I ran into wet wood.

364 HappyWarrior  Jun 20, 2015 4:58:58pm

re: #360 stpaulbear

Do you think it’s VERY important that a presidential candidate should actually be willing to say that what happened in Charolette is racially motivated?

I was going to ask this, thank you.

365 Eric The Fruit Bat  Jun 20, 2015 4:59:00pm

re: #360 stpaulbear

They won’t-but more importantly, they can’t.

366 Dark_Falcon  Jun 20, 2015 4:59:54pm

re: #352 CuriousLurker

Who’s he trying to kid? Everyone knows what a bigoted, racist prick he is.

He might be just be trying to make sure no wingnuts in his county try something similar. Terrorism is sometimes contagious and it will reflect quite badly on Joe Arpaio if a black church in Phoenix is hit by an arson attack.

367 HappyWarrior  Jun 20, 2015 5:00:12pm

re: #356 Dark_Falcon

I’m not one of those people, is all I’m saying. There’s different kinds of conservatives, and many of those kinds don’t give houseroom to human cancer cells like DipShit Roof.

I know you’re not but be honest, you’ve divorced yourself from a lot of right wing dogma. I just think it’s offensive bullshit for conservatives to have their heads up their asses and act like this asshole was a liberal even though it’s clear as day he subscribed to right wing ideology.

368 Charles Johnson  Jun 20, 2015 5:00:58pm

Wow, the Twitter account connected to the Council of Conservative Citizens has also been deleted. They’re running scared.

webcache.googleusercontent.com

369 thedopefishlives  Jun 20, 2015 5:01:31pm

re: #368 Charles Johnson

Wow, the Twitter account connected to the Council of Conservative Citizens has also been deleted. They’re running scared.

webcache.googleusercontent.com

They’re obviously aware of how this is starting to look. They don’t want anything to slip now.

370 HappyWarrior  Jun 20, 2015 5:01:36pm

re: #365 Eric The Fruit Bat

They won’t-but more importantly, they can’t.

Admitting that white on black racism happens and is obviously still a problem would be akin to admitting that Obama has been right to bring up racism and they can’t admit directly or indirectly Obama’s been right. They’re a disgrace.

371 BeachDem  Jun 20, 2015 5:02:42pm

re: #360 stpaulbear

Do you think it’s VERY important that a presidential candidate should actually be willing to say that what happened in Charolette is racially motivated?

Well, David Frum had high hopes for Republicans going forward after he wrote this book:
amazon.com

WHY ROMNEY LOST is a forthright analysis that offers a bold, hopeful plan for Republican success in the years ahead. David Frum urges a Republican party that is culturally modern, economically inclusive, and environmentally responsible - a party that can meet the challenges of the Obama years and lead a diverse America to a new age of freedom and prosperity.

Has David Frum actually met any of today’s Republicans?

372 PhillyPretzel  Jun 20, 2015 5:04:21pm

re: #371 BeachDem

It sounds as though he is creating his own version of the GOP. Which is nothing like the reality.

373 BeachDem  Jun 20, 2015 5:04:59pm

re: #366 Dark_Falcon

He might be just be trying to make sure no wingnuts in his county try something similar. Terrorism is sometimes contagious and it will reflect quite badly on Joe Arpaio if a black church in Phoenix is hit by an arson attack.

Since he’s the biggest wingnut in his county, I see a bit of a problem.

374 HappyWarrior  Jun 20, 2015 5:05:32pm

re: #371 BeachDem

Well, David Frum had high hopes for Republicans going forward after he wrote this book:
amazon.com

WHY ROMNEY LOST is a forthright analysis that offers a bold, hopeful plan for Republican success in the years ahead. David Frum urges a Republican party that is culturally modern, economically inclusive, and environmentally responsible - a party that can meet the challenges of the Obama years and lead a diverse America to a new age of freedom and prosperity.

Has David Frum actually met any of today’s Republicans?

The Republican platform hasn’t advocated environmental responsibility since Nixon and even then Nixon didn’t think much of environmentalism. I believe it was Ehrlichman’s pet project.

375 Dark_Falcon  Jun 20, 2015 5:06:50pm

re: #358 Eric The Fruit Bat

Some idiot RWNJ radio host in Houston said I would be visited by the host of Stonewall Jackson. I posted the Tennessee Ernie Ford song link back to him. Hopefully his head will explode.

There’s also the point that I’m pretty sure Gen. Jackson would not have approved of gunning down women as Roof did, even if they were black.

It’s worth noting that Lee and Jackson made a very bad choice in the cause they served, but they did do their best to wage a ‘clean’ war, and in the East such efforts were generally successful.

In the West of course, things were different, especially when it came to the Confederate cavalry under the capable but horrific Nathan Bedford Forrest, quite likely the most brutal general America has produced.

376 HappyWarrior  Jun 20, 2015 5:07:21pm

re: #372 PhillyPretzel

It sounds as though he is creating his own version of the GOP. Which is nothing like the reality.

When the Democrats were getting their asses kicked and seen as being too left wing in the 80’s, there was a movement led by eventual President Clinton to bring the party to the center. You haven’t seen any such thing with the Republican party leaders. In fact you’ve seen them grow more right wing since Obama’s two wins. Republican candidates who would have been fringe in the Bush years are easy bets to win Republican primaries.

377 TedStriker  Jun 20, 2015 5:08:55pm

re: #363 Tigger2

I always just took a can of charcoal lighter fluid with me incase I ran into wet wood.

Something that works almost as quick, but is a lot safer to transport, especially when backpacking: cotton balls (or dryer lint), “soaked” in Vasoline.

Lights easily, burns a long time.

378 HappyWarrior  Jun 20, 2015 5:09:07pm

re: #375 Dark_Falcon

There’s also the point that I’m pretty sure Gen. Jackson would not have approved of gunning down women as Roof did, even if they were black.

It’s worth noting that Lee and Jackson made a very bad choice in the cause they served, but they did do their best to wage a ‘clean’ war, and in the East such efforts were generally successful.

In the West of course, things were different, especially when it came to the Confederate cavalry under the capable but horrific Nathan Bedford Forrest, quite likely the most brutal general America has produced.

I would actually disagree with you there. I don’t put Lee and Jackson in the same place I do Forrest but it is true that captured African-American soldiers were sent into slavery by the Confederates. I understand what you’re saying. I don’t think Stonewall or Lee would have condemned executing innocent women either but I think their reputations are romanticized a bit.

379 wrenchwench  Jun 20, 2015 5:10:47pm
380 jaunte  Jun 20, 2015 5:10:59pm

re: #358 Eric The Fruit Bat

Some idiot RWNJ radio host in Houston said I would be visited by the host of Stonewall Jackson. I posted the Tennessee Ernie Ford song link back to him. Hopefully his head will explode.

Michael Berry?

381 Charles Johnson  Jun 20, 2015 5:13:09pm

The front page reboot is getting even closer to release…

littlegreenfootballs.com

382 jaunte  Jun 20, 2015 5:13:24pm

States rights!

383 HappyWarrior  Jun 20, 2015 5:13:41pm

re: #382 jaunte

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States rights!

Doughface Copperhead.

384 Dark_Falcon  Jun 20, 2015 5:14:09pm

re: #373 BeachDem

Since he’s the biggest wingnut in his county, I see a bit of a problem.

Oh, problems there are multitude, and Arpaio is an ass, to be sure. But he does appear to me to have some belief in what he regards as his duty and he knows that he will look bad if he fails at it. Black churches being attacked will count as a major failure on the part local law enforcement right now, and that means that there are otherwise wingnutty sheriffs who will work hard to ensure such attacks don’t happen.

Joe Arpaio isn’t sending out men to guard black churches out of the goodness of his heart, he’s doing it because he is afraid of looking like a failure in the eyes of the press and he’s afraid of giving the Department of Justice another angle on which to investigate him. I’ll take law enforcement doing the right thing out of fear. i’d rather have them act from a purer place, but most important is that no asshole is able to emulate DipShit (As I plan to call Dylann Storm Roof whenever possible for the short term).

385 HappyWarrior  Jun 20, 2015 5:15:04pm

Maybe a predominately German-American state like Nebraska should fly this
.
Image: 1200px-Flag_of_the_German_Empire.svg.png

386 thedopefishlives  Jun 20, 2015 5:15:05pm

re: #381 Charles Johnson

The front page reboot is getting even closer to release…

littlegreenfootballs.com

I wish I could do UI design like that. I can write backend code that is the envy of my peers, but my user interfaces are, to quote one of my clients, “fugly”.

387 Charles Johnson  Jun 20, 2015 5:16:40pm

I always love it when somebody boldly declares someone like the New York Times is being stupid and doesn’t know how to do a WHOIS lookup…

When it’s actually them who don’t know what sites like domaintools.com can do.

OOPS

388 Skip Intro  Jun 20, 2015 5:16:42pm

re: #382 jaunte

[Embedded content]

States rights!

Just like slavery!

389 HappyWarrior  Jun 20, 2015 5:16:43pm

I mean how hard is it to say to these southern states and I am a southerner myself. “You guys lost the war, take down the flag from your state capitol.” If you want to own an individual CSA flag, go for it, I’ll think less of you but that is your right but this flag has no business flying in the capital of an American state.

390 William Lewis  Jun 20, 2015 5:17:07pm

re: #291 Aunty Entity Dragon

I am seriously considering doing that or the 4th.

I’m in.

391 De Kolta Chair  Jun 20, 2015 5:17:12pm

Way off topic, but tonight, after 34 years of shacking up and being married, I’ve finally resigned myself to the conclusion that I will never get my wife to divulge her secret for making a spinach salad taste like a basil salad.

392 wrenchwench  Jun 20, 2015 5:17:14pm

re: #384 Dark_Falcon

Oh, problems there are multitude, and Arpaio is an ass, to be sure. But he does appear to me to have some belief in what he regards as his duty and he knows that he will look bad if he fails at it. Black churches being attacked will count as a major failure on the part local law enforcement right now, and that means that there are otherwise wingnutty sheriffs who will work hard to ensure such attacks don’t happen.

Joe Arpaio isn’t sending out men to guard black churches out of the goodness of his heart, he’s doing it because he is afraid of looking like a failure in the eyes of the press and he’s afraid of giving the Department of Justice another angle on which to investigate him. I’ll take law enforcement doing the right thing out of fear. i’d rather have them act from a purer place, but most important is that no asshole is able to emulate DipShit (As I plan to call Dylann Storm Roof whenever possible for the short term).

No way is saying ‘He gets them whether he wants them or not’ the right thing. He only cares what his fans think, not everyone.

393 Timothy Watson  Jun 20, 2015 5:17:26pm

Ah shit, tornado warning for me here in Virginia.

394 thedopefishlives  Jun 20, 2015 5:17:40pm

re: #393 Timothy Watson

Ah shit, tornado warning for me here in Virginia.

Just don’t wind up in Kansas.

395 Dark_Falcon  Jun 20, 2015 5:18:24pm

re: #378 HappyWarrior

I would actually disagree with you there. I don’t put Lee and Jackson in the same place I do Forrest but it is true that captured African-American soldiers were sent into slavery by the Confederates. I understand what you’re saying. I don’t think Stonewall or Lee would have condoned executing innocent women either but I think their reputations are romanticized a bit.

Suggested edit bolded.) But your point is well made, and it made me think of something I’ll post in a couple minutes.

396 HappyWarrior  Jun 20, 2015 5:18:30pm

re: #393 Timothy Watson

Ah shit, tornado warning for me here in Virginia.

Yeah power went out once already. May still be out. Can’t tell for sure since we have a generator.

397 goddamnedfrank  Jun 20, 2015 5:19:11pm

re: #313 Targetpractice

Because too much of that manifesto is shit they’ve found themselves saying at one time or another. Like suggesting that what we’ve told about slavery are “myth and lies,” using the statistics about how many people owned slaves or testimonials about “happy slaves” to argue that slavery wasn’t all that bad.

A lot of the people questioning it though are liberals who think he must have had help writing because he’s dropped out of school after 9th Grade or something. However:

It really is poorly written. It comes off exactly as what I would expect an ignorant racist dropout who has spend a lot of time on right wing websites would produce.

398 Varek Raith  Jun 20, 2015 5:19:30pm

re: #393 Timothy Watson

Ah shit, tornado warning for me here in Virginia.

That’s the storm that just blew through here.

399 HappyWarrior  Jun 20, 2015 5:21:11pm

re: #397 goddamnedfrank

A lot of the people questioning it though are liberals who think he must have had help writing because he’s dropped out of school after 9th Grade or something. However:

[Embedded content]

Don’t know why. It doesn’t strike me as anything too impressive either.

400 PhillyPretzel  Jun 20, 2015 5:21:14pm

re: #393 Timothy Watson

re: #398 Varek Raith

That mess is headed to Philly. weather.gov

401 piratedan  Jun 20, 2015 5:22:20pm

re: #384 Dark_Falcon

if only he was as concerned about sexual assaults in his own jurisdiction, he’s concerned about property values is my guess and burning churches is bad for business.

402 Varek Raith  Jun 20, 2015 5:23:03pm

re: #400 PhillyPretzel

That mess is headed to Philly. weather.gov

I got the storm wrong.
The tornado is on a line just south of me.
It may miss you.

403 Varek Raith  Jun 20, 2015 5:23:32pm

And a tornado warning just went up for me.
Whee.

404 Dark_Falcon  Jun 20, 2015 5:23:47pm

re: #401 piratedan

if only he was as concerned about sexual assaults in his own jurisdiction, he’s concerned about property values is my guess and burning churches is bad for business.

True that.

405 jaunte  Jun 20, 2015 5:23:50pm

At a news conference [in 1996] researchers studying the skeleton said the ancient man was “Caucasoid,” an archaic, 19th-century term that includes a wide swath of people with origins in Africa, Western Asia and Europe. Reporters heard the word “Caucasian,” and all of a sudden people were wondering how a European showed up in North America and was shot thousands of years before Europeans set foot on the continent, Meltzer said.

“That was the moment when all the wheels fell off and this became quite the mess,” Meltzer told Live Science.

406 Varek Raith  Jun 20, 2015 5:25:18pm

15 miles to the east of me.
I’m fine.
I hate this crap.

407 thedopefishlives  Jun 20, 2015 5:26:31pm

re: #406 Varek Raith

15 miles to the east of me.
I’m fine.
I hate this crap.

Maybe I should swing by and pick all y’all up in the land boat. Everybody should fit comfortably and I’ll only have to fill it up 15-20 times on the way.

408 HappyWarrior  Jun 20, 2015 5:27:15pm

re: #407 thedopefishlives

Maybe I should swing by and pick all y’all up in the land boat. Everybody should fit comfortably and I’ll only have to fill it up 15-20 times on the way.

Can we stop for shrimp tacos on the way to the north country? //

409 Targetpractice  Jun 20, 2015 5:28:38pm

re: #397 goddamnedfrank

A lot of the people questioning it though are liberals who think he must have had help writing because he’s dropped out of school after 9th Grade or something. However:

[Embedded content]

Yeah, nothing about this manifesto strikes me as being overly intelligent for him to be the author. And though I was raised mostly in the South, I try to avoid using too much slang because even I recognize it can hurt when I’m trying to carry an intellectual discussion.

410 William Lewis  Jun 20, 2015 5:29:10pm

re: #342 Dark_Falcon

Neo-Confederates and Nazis are none of mine. I’ve opposed those assholes since I became politically aware.

I’ll grant you that DF for the simple reason I’ve been fighting those who think Mao, Stalin & the Kim’s are part of my leftist ilk.

411 HappyWarrior  Jun 20, 2015 5:29:18pm

I use slang when talking to people but I know not to use slang in a paper. I think even a dropout like Roof would be aware of that.

412 Timothy Watson  Jun 20, 2015 5:30:13pm

There goes the power and my UPS isn’t going to last very long.

413 PhillyPretzel  Jun 20, 2015 5:30:23pm

re: #407 thedopefishlives

Have you finished rehabbing it?

414 BeachDem  Jun 20, 2015 5:31:00pm

re: #392 wrenchwench

No way is saying ‘He gets them whether he wants them or not’ the right thing. He only cares what his fans think, not everyone.

And dog help any black church that, while being guarded by Sheriff Joe’s posse, welcomes, you know, those people old Sheriff Joe isn’t too fond of, because that could create a serious conflict of interest.
//

415 Varek Raith  Jun 20, 2015 5:31:18pm

Clearing out here.
Getting hammered a bit to the south though.
And to the east, well, yeah.

416 wrenchwench  Jun 20, 2015 5:31:38pm

re: #405 jaunte

[Embedded content]

Now, as per NAGPRA, do they have to put him back and study him no more?

417 HappyWarrior  Jun 20, 2015 5:31:52pm

re: #415 Varek Raith

Clearing out here.
Getting hammered a bit to the south though.
And to the east, well, yeah.

Stopped here already.

418 Varek Raith  Jun 20, 2015 5:32:40pm

re: #417 HappyWarrior

Stopped here already.

Backyard is a pond now.

419 goddamnedfrank  Jun 20, 2015 5:33:16pm

re: #399 HappyWarrior

Don’t know why. It doesn’t strike me as anything too impressive either.

It’s shit.

I think some people had some crazy low expectations of the kid, because what he put down is only barely legible to be honest. It is however the kind of voice I’ve become accustomed to from certain young conservatives with irrationally over inflated estimations of their own intelligence.

420 Dark_Falcon  Jun 20, 2015 5:33:27pm

re: #395 Dark_Falcon

Suggested edit bolded.) But your point is well made, and it made me think of something I’ll post in a couple minutes.

Ryan L. Cole
Prodigal Soldier
A new book explores how Robert E. Lee squandered his connection to America’s most revered figure.
March 6, 2015

The Man Who Would Not Be Washington: Robert E. Lee’s Civil War and His Decision That Changed American History, by Jonathan Horn (Scribner, 384 pp., $28)

421 thedopefishlives  Jun 20, 2015 5:33:28pm

re: #413 PhillyPretzel

Have you finished rehabbing it?

Finished for now. I’ve gotten it to the point where it should be OK to drive. There are a lot of optional things that still need to be cleaned up, but the only other thing I might want to tackle “soon-ish” is the fuel gauge stopped working.

422 HappyWarrior  Jun 20, 2015 5:33:33pm

re: #418 Varek Raith

Backyard is a pond now.

Haven’t been outside here yet.

423 Targetpractice  Jun 20, 2015 5:33:51pm

And let’s remember that not every terrorist is Ted Kaczynski, you don’t have to be college-level smart to write a manifesto and carry out a planned and organized attack.

424 jaunte  Jun 20, 2015 5:34:01pm

re: #416 wrenchwench

Spokesman for the tribe says it’s just the beginning of the process, but they expect at the end, repatriation and reburial.

425 Varek Raith  Jun 20, 2015 5:34:22pm

There was a lot of lightning with that storm.
Seemed like a flash every few seconds.
Crazy.

426 Dark_Falcon  Jun 20, 2015 5:35:40pm

re: #419 goddamnedfrank

It’s shit.

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I think some people had some crazy low expectations of the kid, because what he put down is only barely legible to be honest. It is however the kind of voice I’ve become accustomed to from certain young conservatives with irrationally over inflated estimations of their own intelligence.

With that nick he’s sporting, I reckon you a true talent just for having gotten him to think about his prior assumptions on the matter. 1st rate work, Frank.

427 CuriousLurker  Jun 20, 2015 5:35:51pm

re: #405 jaunte

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This book, No Bone Unturned, is about the wrangling that went on over the body of Kennewick Man. It’s primarily a book about the career of Doug Owsley, a forensic anthropologist who’s now the head of physical anthropology ay the Smithsonian (Kennewick Man was one of his his first big cases and it turned his life upside down).

It’s a fascinating read. It’s 340 pages and I blew through them in in a couple of evenings—even bought a hardcopy and sent it to a friend who lives out west.

428 #FergusonFireside  Jun 20, 2015 5:35:56pm

re: #421 thedopefishlives

Finished for now. I’ve gotten it to the point where it should be OK to drive. There are a lot of optional things that still need to be cleaned up, but the only other thing I might want to tackle “soon-ish” is the fuel gauge stopped working.

I had a 68 VW convertible bug. Broken fuel gauge. I cannot tell you how many times I ran out of gas. Yes, I’m female, and yes I used the fuck out of my AAA.

429 HappyWarrior  Jun 20, 2015 5:36:20pm

re: #420 Dark_Falcon

Ryan L. Cole
Prodigal Soldier
A new book explores how Robert E. Lee squandered his connection to America’s most revered figure.
March 6, 2015

The Man Who Would Not Be Washington: Robert E. Lee’s Civil War and His Decision That Changed American History, by Jonathan Horn (Scribner, 384 pp., $28)

Looks like an interesting read. I’m actually reading a biography of a Union civil war general right now- Meagher. I think Lee just couldn’t bring himself to admit that his state was in the wrong. I think he wrongly looked over that as a military officer he took an oath to the United States not the state of Virginia and remember I am a Virginian. I do think Lee is overly romanticized and I attribute a lot of that to the Lost Cause written by subordinates who worshiped him.

430 BeachDem  Jun 20, 2015 5:36:43pm

re: #409 Targetpractice

Yeah, nothing about this manifesto strikes me as being overly intelligent for him to be the author. And though I was raised mostly in the South, I try to avoid using too much slang because even I recognize it can hurt when I’m trying to carry an intellectual discussion.

Plus, he hasn’t been in school or had a job for like six or 7 years, so he had plenty of time to read all kinds of racist shit (I don’t buy that he never thought about any of this until Trayvon Martin) and then write his little story.

431 HappyWarrior  Jun 20, 2015 5:36:52pm

re: #419 goddamnedfrank

It’s shit.

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I think some people had some crazy low expectations of the kid, because what he put down is only barely legible to be honest. It is however the kind of voice I’ve become accustomed to from certain young conservatives with irrationally over inflated estimations of their own intelligence.

Right.

432 Timothy Watson  Jun 20, 2015 5:36:55pm

Stopped raining here, but the radar has more coming our way in about 10 minutes or so, but it’s not as dark as the section that just went through.

433 thedopefishlives  Jun 20, 2015 5:37:15pm

re: #428 #FergusonFireside

I had a 68 VW convertible bug. Broken fuel gauge. I cannot tell you how many times I ran out of gas. Yes, I’m female, and yes I used t the fuck out of my AAA.

Given the remarkable condition of the rest of the electrical system despite its 16 years in outdoor storage, I’m guessing either the float got stuck, or a wire simply fell out of a plug somewhere. I’m continuously astonished by how operable this car is after sitting covered by only a tarp for a decade and a half.

434 HappyWarrior  Jun 20, 2015 5:37:34pm

re: #423 Targetpractice

And let’s remember that not every terrorist is Ted Kaczynski, you don’t have to be college-level smart to write a manifesto and carry out a planned and organized attack.

Elliott Rodger’s manifesto which I did read all of seemed to me written by someone who thought he was a lot smarter than he was.

435 Targetpractice  Jun 20, 2015 5:38:16pm

re: #419 goddamnedfrank

It’s shit.

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I think some people had some crazy low expectations of the kid, because what he put down is only barely legible to be honest. It is however the kind of voice I’ve become accustomed to from certain young conservatives with irrationally over inflated estimations of their own intelligence.

Most of the manifesto strikes me as his repeating arguments he’s heard elsewhere, regurgitating something instead of actually understanding it.

436 wrenchwench  Jun 20, 2015 5:38:24pm

re: #427 CuriousLurker

This book, No Bone Unturned, is about the wrangling that went on over the body of Kennewick Man. It’s primarily a book about the career of Doug Owsley, a forensic anthropologist who’s now the head of physical anthropology ay the Smithsonian (Kennewick Man was one of his his first big cases and it turned his life upside down).

It’s a fascinating read. It’s 340 pages and I blew through them in in a couple of evenings—even bought a hardcopy and sent it to a friend who lives out west.

Great book! Owsley investigated Koresh’s Waco mess, too.

437 HappyWarrior  Jun 20, 2015 5:39:46pm

I also don’t buy that Treyvon “opened” his eyes. He was an impressionable age when Obama first ran for president and no doubt he heard rumblings about how Obama wasn’t a “real American.”

438 goddamnedfrank  Jun 20, 2015 5:40:06pm

re: #426 Dark_Falcon

With that nick he’s sporting, I reckon you a true talent just for having gotten him to think about his prior assumptions on the matter. 1st rate work, Frank.

Her, and she’s awesome. ProgressGA is good people. She’s just got an irrationally low expectation of what this kid was capable of composing. A really low expectation apparently. Part of it is because she’s Southern and expected more Southern voice. But most people don’t write like they talk in my experience.

439 William Lewis  Jun 20, 2015 5:42:09pm

re: #420 Dark_Falcon

Ryan L. Cole
Prodigal Soldier
A new book explores how Robert E. Lee squandered his connection to America’s most revered figure.
March 6, 2015

The Man Who Would Not Be Washington: Robert E. Lee’s Civil War and His Decision That Changed American History, by Jonathan Horn (Scribner, 384 pp., $28)

Shrug. Never understood the fascination with someone who failed to do what was right and failed as a general when it mattered most. Old “Fuss & Feathers” Winfield Scott was just as much a Virginian and made first the right choice and then expressed the strategy that would, in the end, bring the traitors to their knees. Scott was a better man and far better General who deserves to be more well known today.

440 CuriousLurker  Jun 20, 2015 5:42:38pm

re: #436 wrenchwench

Great book! Owsley investigated Koresh’s Waco mess, too.

Yeah, some of the descriptions in the book…. *gulp*

441 #FergusonFireside  Jun 20, 2015 5:42:45pm

re: #438 goddamnedfrank

Her, and she’s awesome. ProgressGA is good people. She’s just got an irrationally low expectation of what this kid was capable of composing. A really low expectation apparently. Part of it is because she’s Southern and expected more Southern voice. But most people don’t write like they talk in my experience.

AND she’s a Gator!

442 goddamnedfrank  Jun 20, 2015 5:43:10pm
443 William Lewis  Jun 20, 2015 5:43:37pm

re: #419 goddamnedfrank

It’s shit.

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I think some people had some crazy low expectations of the kid, because what he put down is only barely legible to be honest. It is however the kind of voice I’ve become accustomed to from certain young conservatives with irrationally over inflated estimations of their own intelligence.

A good reminder of why Upchuck remains dangerous even though his hate screeds have been cut off of Twitter.

444 BeachDem  Jun 20, 2015 5:43:50pm

re: #434 HappyWarrior

Elliott Rodger’s manifesto which I did read all of seemed to me written by someone who thought he was a lot smarter than he was.

Um, upchuck’s screeds are a perfect example of that—he’s a truly terrible writer who thinks he’s just minutes away from a Pulitzer.

445 HappyWarrior  Jun 20, 2015 5:44:12pm

re: #439 William Lewis

Shrug. Never understood the fascination with someone who failed to do what was right and failed as a general when it mattered most. Old “Fuss & Feathers” Winfield Scott was just as much a Virginian and made the first the right choice and then expressed the strategy that would, in the end, bring the traitors to their knees. Scott was a better man and far better General who deserves to be more well known today.

It all comes down to who writes history. But yes Scott should be remembered today as should George Thomas. I think the Lee mythology is aided by that he had subordinates who worshiped him and his connections to Washington. Another fact that I think a lot of people do not know is every single state sent volunteers to defend the Union.

446 wrenchwench  Jun 20, 2015 5:44:43pm
447 HappyWarrior  Jun 20, 2015 5:46:31pm

re: #442 goddamnedfrank

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Jeb Bush too. Murray is his “favorite author.”

448 William Lewis  Jun 20, 2015 5:46:44pm

re: #442 goddamnedfrank

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I doubt Roof would have spent the intellectual energy needed to comprehend it. OTOH, someone says the thesis to him, he’d be pumping his fist saying “Yeah, that’s it!”

449 BeachDem  Jun 20, 2015 5:47:47pm

re: #437 HappyWarrior

I also don’t buy that Treyvon “opened” his eyes. He was an impressionable age when Obama first ran for president and no doubt he heard rumblings about how Obama wasn’t a “real American.”

I also wish I knew where in Richland and Lexington counties he actually spent his time over the past few years. There are parts of “those parts” that are true hotbeds of lunatic fringe wingnuts.

Everything I’ve read is pretty sketchy as to where he’s actually been for the past 6-8 years.

450 De Kolta Chair  Jun 20, 2015 5:48:57pm

And that’s why he had to die. The End. Or is it? Muuyyaaaahhh

451 HappyWarrior  Jun 20, 2015 5:49:14pm

re: #448 William Lewis

I doubt Roof would have spent the intellectual energy needed to comprehend it. OTOH, someone says the thesis to him, he’d be pumping his fist saying “Yeah, that’s it!”

Probably why CCJ attaches to him.

452 Lancelot Link  Jun 20, 2015 5:50:17pm

re: #238 Velvet Elvis

What’s with the flowers?

What kind of self-respecting white supremacist poses with a gun and flowers?

Hitler painted flowers.

453 PhillyPretzel  Jun 20, 2015 5:50:55pm

Oh sh&t. A doozie of a storm is headed to Philly. Yuck. forecast.weather.gov

454 wrenchwench  Jun 20, 2015 5:51:16pm

Later, lizards. Watch out for the kittehs.

455 piratedan  Jun 20, 2015 5:55:49pm

re: #446 wrenchwench

can attest to that, my shiba inu licked one (they’re usually out during our monsoon season) and we were able to save him by essentially washing and wiping his mouth free of the toxins. But the toxins give them a fever that can essentially elevate their internal temps killing them.

and they just look like any other frogs

456 Dark_Falcon  Jun 20, 2015 5:55:53pm

re: #448 William Lewis

I doubt Roof would have spent the intellectual energy needed to comprehend it. OTOH, someone says the thesis to him, he’d be pumping his fist saying “Yeah, that’s it!”

It’s interesting how many racists claim to love The Bell Curve, though the surviving author doesn’t return their affections. Frankly, I’d bet Murray wishes he never co-wrote the damned book, since it was the biggest failure of his life and one he’ll never live down.

457 #FergusonFireside  Jun 20, 2015 5:58:40pm

re: #454 wrenchwench

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Later, lizards. Watch out for the kittehs.

Poor little blue belly.

458 William Lewis  Jun 20, 2015 5:59:46pm

DF, why did you down ding #455?

459 Dark_Falcon  Jun 20, 2015 6:01:07pm

re: #458 William Lewis

DF, why did you down ding #455?

It was an accident and I’ve reversed it. Thanks for catching that.

460 ObserverArt  Jun 20, 2015 6:04:56pm

re: #366 Dark_Falcon

He might be just be trying to make sure no wingnuts in his county try something similar. Terrorism is sometimes contagious and it will reflect quite badly on Joe Arpaio if a black church in Phoenix is hit by an arson attack.

Or doing the usual Joe. Buttin’ in everything to get his fat face in the news. No regard for anyone or any thing when Joe can score some points for Joe.

He and Trump would make a lovely couple.

461 De Kolta Chair  Jun 20, 2015 6:05:34pm

re: #455 piratedan

can attest to that, my shiba inu licked one (they’re usually out during our monsoon season) and we were able to save him by essentially washing and wiping his mouth free of the toxins. But the toxins give them a fever that can essentially elevate their internal temps killing them.

and they just look like any other frogs

462 Odie Hugh Manatee  Jun 20, 2015 6:07:29pm

re: #281 Jenner7

Oh noes! Somebody tell the illustrious ‘journalist’ Chas. C. Johnson that Deray wants to take down something!!

I have read some of the sickest things on the internet since the shooting and while it is disheartening I am seeing lots of pushback from people who are fed up with people making excuses for racists. I am very glad to see this and we need more of it. I know I have been beating on more than a few of the morans in denial at my other hangouts (unfortunately infested with tons of ‘libertarian’ tech weenies).

Kinda OT:

Q: What do black people hear when they listen to Fox News?

A: White noise.

463 subterraneanhomesickalien  Jun 20, 2015 7:52:35pm

re: #456 Dark_Falcon

Yeah and I’m sure he’s ashamed of all the speaking fees he gets at conservative organizations which made his work sacrosanct in their respective socio-political and socio-economic dogma.


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