After the Discovery of Dylann Roof’s Website, the Council of Conservative Citizens Is Running Scared

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As we noted in our previous article about the discovery of Dylann Storm Roof’s website, Roof credited the white supremacist group called the Council of Conservative Citizens with “awakening” him to “black on white crime,” and inspiring him to start out on the murderous racist path that led him to the Emanuel AME Church in Charleston.

Following the exposure of Roof’s “manifesto” (and “manifesto” is too grandiose a term for what’s really just a racist rant), the Council of Conservative Citizens apparently took down their entire website; if you go to topconservativenews.com or conservative-headlines.com (the deceptively innocuous-sounding names for their hate site) you see nothing but a blank white screen at the moment. But Google’s cache still has a copy of their post trying to distance themselves from Dylann Roof — with hundreds of evil, racist comments.

And now we’ve learned (via @MelioraMed) that one of the CCC’s main spokesmen on Twitter, Kyle Rogers (@kylerogers76), an overt racist with nearly 40,000 followers, has also deleted his Twitter account. If you click that link to his username you’ll see: “Sorry, that page doesn’t exist!”

Here’s what his profile page looked like a few days ago, from Google’s cache:

(Note that he’s apparently a fan of Donald Trump.)

That’s a lot of followers to just dump without warning. These racist pieces of shit are clearly running scared tonight. And one of my Twitter followers, Barry Schwartz, suggests a possible reason: they could very well be terrified of a civil suit by the families of the church massacre victims.

UPDATE at 6/20/15 6:05:46 pm by Charles Johnson

More on the possible reasons why these Neanderthals are running scared tonight, from the LA Times: Possible Manifesto of Dylann Roof Draws From Hate Group’s Text, Expert Says.

Richard Cohen, president of the Southern Poverty Law Center, which tracks hate groups, said in an interview with The Times on Saturday that most of the manifesto is material lifted from the CCC, which he called a “modern reincarnation” of the old White Citizens Councils that in the 1950s and ’60s resisted school desegregation in the South.

“The CCC is very active in Roof’s home state of South Carolina,” Cohen said. He added, “It seems the CCC media strategy was successful in recruiting Roof into the radical right.”

He identified the CCC’s webmaster as white nationalist Kyle Rogers, based near Charleston. He said Rogers has been pushing to bring attention to what he calls black-on-white crime and has written “article after article” on the CCC website about such crime. He said Rogers was particularly active in making statements after the Trayvon Martin shooting.

“It’s a staple of Rogers and the CCC’s media plan,” Cohen said.

Rogers also manages a flag store, which sells the flag of the government of Rhodesia — the same flag sewn on the jacket worn by Roof in his Facebook profile, Cohen said.

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240 comments

1 HappyWarrior  Jun 20, 2015 5:54:16pm

And the plot thickens.

2 Belafon  Jun 20, 2015 5:59:00pm

How do we keep them running?

3 piratedan  Jun 20, 2015 5:59:38pm

well this should be a nice change, real fear instead of all of this faux outrage that the black folks are commin for der wimmins’.

4 Irving  Jun 20, 2015 6:00:20pm

Amazing how fast things like this burn down in the Internet fueled world we live in.

5 team_fukit  Jun 20, 2015 6:00:39pm

Everything about CCC’s involvement smells.

The shooter’s manifesto constantly whines about “modern history classes.” The guy was a ninth-grade drop out… when did he ever get modern history classes?

I read in the LA Times piece that SPLC is claiming that Storm’s manifesto borrowed a good deal of language from [redacted] “journalistic” pieces about black flash mob violence. [Redacted] also lives around Charleston, would probably have a better grasp of local Charleston history than Storm… [Redacted] also runs a flag store that sells Rhodeisa flags…. hmmmm.

Edited to remove inflammatory content, although it’s all right there in the LA Times article and in the shooter’s manifesto.

6 Dark_Falcon  Jun 20, 2015 6:03:59pm

re: #5 team_fukit

Everything about CCC’s involvement smells.

The shooter’s manifesto constantly whines about “modern history classes.” The guy was a ninth-grade drop out… when did he ever get modern history classes?

I read in the LA Times piece that SPLC is claiming that Storm’s manifesto borrowed a good deal of language from Rogers’ “journalistic” pieces about black flash mob violence. Rogers also lives around Charleston, would probably have a better grasp of local Charleston history than Storm… Rogers also runs a flag store that sells Rhodeisa flags…. hmmmm.

I think flat out that Kyle Rogers inspired, and possibly helped plan, this attack.

I’m with you for the former, but that latter charge is not one to throw around. We’ve got those assholes on the run, lets not make an attack they can repulse and give them time to set up a defense.

7 William Lewis  Jun 20, 2015 6:04:38pm

Well, I too whacked my Twitter account today. Only one follower so no big but I don’t want to be associated in anyway with Twitter as they’ve done nothing to police the cesspit that their service has become.

8 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Jun 20, 2015 6:06:18pm

re: #6 Dark_Falcon

I’m with you for the former, but that latter charge is not one to throw around. We’ve got those assholes on the run, lets not make an attack they can repulse and give them time to set up a defense.

And the more we speculate, the more they can claim our suspicions are ill-founded. But if we find someting concrete, we should pursue any connection.

9 Dark_Falcon  Jun 20, 2015 6:11:38pm

re: #8 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

And the more we speculate, the more they can claim our suspicions are ill-founded. But if we find someting concrete, we should pursue any connection.

Just so. It would be a great thing if the unmasking DipShit Roof’s connections to the CCC were the Battles of Aurerstadt and Jena and they can be pursued to destruction as La Grande Armee pursued the Prussians to destruction in 1806. But to do that we have to show discipline and not make stupid mistakes.

10 Decatur Deb  Jun 20, 2015 6:13:07pm

Kyle Rogers…

“Credited by award winning journalist Amber Lyons…”

11 William Lewis  Jun 20, 2015 6:13:13pm

I have found in military history circles that the “acceptable” way of hiding one’s racism is to couch it in terms of “The Waffen SS weren’t the bad ones” or “the Selous Scouts were only fighting communists” ignoring the reality behind both organizations.

While I can think of people who honestly study, for example, German WWII long arms, a red flag goes up about that person that never quite goes away.

And when I go to a gun show and see some scum bag in Rhodesian cammo? Let’s just say it’s nice they let the world know how they really think.

12 Higgs Boson's Mate  Jun 20, 2015 6:14:50pm

re: #7 William Lewis

Well, I too whacked my Twitter account today. Only one follower so no big but I don’t want to be associated in anyway with Twitter as they’ve done nothing to police the cesspit that their service has become.

As a Usenet survivor and a cynic I never signed up for Twitter.

13 Charles Johnson  Jun 20, 2015 6:15:00pm

This is Kyle Rogers’ profile background image and also the image used by the @CofCC76 account. Does anyone know where this is from? (There’s nothing at Google Images or Tineye.)

It’s some kind of event important to neo-Confederate racists, obviously.

14 ObserverArt  Jun 20, 2015 6:15:16pm

That Kyle Rogers dude looks awfully familiar. Does he get his face on the ‘net a lot? Maybe some TV programs spouting his version of white superiority? As soon as I saw the image in Charles tweet above it was instant recognition. But where???

15 #FergusonFireside  Jun 20, 2015 6:15:43pm

re: #7 William Lewis

Well, I too whacked my Twitter account today. Only one follower so no big but I don’t want to be associated in anyway with Twitter as they’ve done nothing to police the cesspit that their service has become.

Was it me? If not, sorry I missed following you.

16 William Lewis  Jun 20, 2015 6:16:38pm

re: #12 Higgs Boson’s Mate

As a Usenet survivor and a cynic I never signed up for Twitter.

IIRC, I did one time when Charles wanted everyone to tweet something but almost never used it after that.

17 Decatur Deb  Jun 20, 2015 6:17:22pm

re: #13 Charles Johnson

This is Kyle Rogers’ profile background image and also the image used by the @CofCC76 account. Does anyone know where this is from? (There’s nothing at Google Images or Tineye.)

It’s some kind of event important to neo-Confederate racists, obviously.

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Dunno. They all look alike to me.

18 William Lewis  Jun 20, 2015 6:17:37pm

re: #15 #FergusonFireside

Was it me? If not, sorry I missed following you.

No, an “escort” out of Florida. I’m not really sure how that happened… O_o

19 jaunte  Jun 20, 2015 6:17:56pm

re: #14 ObserverArt

That Kyle Rogers dude looks awfully familiar. Does he get his face on the ‘net a lot? Maybe some TV programs spouting his version of white superiority? As soon as I saw the image in Charles tweet above it was instant recognition. But where???

knowyourmeme.com

20 chemoelectric  Jun 20, 2015 6:18:01pm

Thanks for the mention.

21 Tigger2  Jun 20, 2015 6:19:00pm

Racist like Cockroaches really hate it when the light shines on them.

22 ObserverArt  Jun 20, 2015 6:20:20pm

re: #11 William Lewis

I have found in military history circles that the “acceptable” way of hiding one’s racism is to couch it in terms of “The Waffen SS weren’t the bad ones” or “the Selous Scouts were only fighting communists” ignoring the reality behind both organizations.

While I can think of people who honestly study, for example, German WWII long arms, a red flag goes up about that person that never quite goes away.

And when I go to a gun show and see some scum bag in Rhodesian cammo? Let’s just say it’s nice they let the world know how they really think.

Really? Guys walk around in cammo that is recognized as being Rohdesian on purpose at gun shows. Damn. What other costumes are popular enough to be a statement. That is so far away from my world. But I enjoy knowing what types are out there to keep up with the nuts.

I guess there is a kit with a look for just about everybody.

23 goddamnedfrank  Jun 20, 2015 6:20:32pm

Charles CW Cooke published another peanut riddled floater at NRO yesterday.

On The Nightly Show yesterday, Larry Wilmore made the same mistake, explaining to his audience of clapping seals that Fox News “makes my f*cking head explode.” “With all of [the] evidence” available, Wilmore contended, still conservatives would not accept “that racial stuff” had gone down. This was a cheap shot at the time that it was fired. But, had he waited a few more hours, he would have seen just how cheap it was.

It wasn’t a cheap shot, Wilmore backed up his objection to Fox with multiple examples of Fox personalities prevaricating and trying to cast the Charleston attack as an attack on religion instead of an attack on black people. Fox’s coverage was disgusting and deserved every ounce of vitriol it received. Saying that Wilmore should have waited a few hours for Fox to feel the burn and finally get its shit together is ridiculous. NRO, demonstrating again the huge degree of overlap between American conservatives and American assholes.

24 Teukka  Jun 20, 2015 6:21:08pm

re: #21 Tigger2

Cockroaches and racist really hate it when the light shines on them.

Am I just evil, but why do I find myself thinking of ways of denying them rocks or shadows to hide under/in, so they have to stay in the open?

25 team_fukit  Jun 20, 2015 6:22:53pm

Rogers is wearing an Ireland shirt, and I can’t tell… is a lady in the front row of the background pic holding an IRA sign?

there is actually a tradition of racist Irish nationalists who supported the Confederacy, like John Mitchel

26 Belafon  Jun 20, 2015 6:23:02pm

re: #24 Teukka

Am I just evil, but why do I find myself thinking of ways of denying them rocks or shadows to hide under/in, so they have to stay in the open?

It would be impossible because they have their minds and their homes to retreat to. If it weren’t for twitter and the rest of the internet, not only would we not have known about stuff like Ferguson, we wouldn’t know who these people are.

27 De Kolta Chair  Jun 20, 2015 6:23:36pm
As if it needed to be said, being in one’s twenties, and wearing turtleneck sweaters, sucks farts out of dead rats
28 Decatur Deb  Jun 20, 2015 6:23:45pm

re: #25 team_fukit

Rogers is wearing an Ireland shirt, and I can’t tell… is a lady in the front row of the background pic holding an IRA sign?

there is actually a tradition of racist Irish nationalists who supported the Confederacy, like John Mitchel

Betting the “ira” is part of “Iraq”.

29 Tigger2  Jun 20, 2015 6:23:46pm

re: #24 Teukka

Am I just evil, but why do I find myself thinking of ways of denying them rocks or shadows to hide under/in, so they have to stay in the open?

Noting evil about that that kind of thinking.

30 Charles Johnson  Jun 20, 2015 6:23:53pm

re: #23 goddamnedfrank

Upding for “peanut riddled floater.”

31 ObserverArt  Jun 20, 2015 6:25:31pm

re: #30 Charles Johnson

Upding for “peanut riddled floater.”

Heh. GDF is on fire.

32 thedopefishlives  Jun 20, 2015 6:27:47pm

re: #31 ObserverArt

Heh. GDF is on fire.

Well, what are you waiting for? Use an extinguisher///

33 William Lewis  Jun 20, 2015 6:28:50pm

re: #22 ObserverArt

Really? Guys walk around in cammo that is recognized as being Rohdesian on purpose at gun shows. Damn. What other costumes are popular enough to be a statement. That is so far away from my world. But I enjoy knowing what types are out there to keep up with the nuts.

I guess there is a kit with a look for just about everybody.

Most people don’t recognize it as such - they just see camo. Most of these people would wear a certain black uniform or one of that groups camo smocks if they could. But Rhodesian passes “under the radar” for most people. en.wikipedia.org

Ironically, the Zimbabwe Army still uses it.

34 Targetpractice  Jun 20, 2015 6:30:57pm

re: #23 goddamnedfrank

Charles CW Cooke published another peanut riddled floater at NRO yesterday.

It wasn’t a cheap shot, Wilmore backed up his objection to Fox with multiple examples of Fox personalities prevaricating and trying to cast the Charleston attack as an attack on religion instead of an attack on black people. Fox’s coverage was disgusting and deserved every ounce of vitriol it received. Saying that Wilmore should have waited a few hours for Fox to feel the burn and finally get its shit together is ridiculous. NRO, demonstrating again the huge degree of overlap between American conservatives and American assholes.

Had a wingnut send that article to me yesterday and I just about puked. You could already see the narrative forming that Roof was yet another “lone wolf,” not in any way associated with other conservatives.

35 Dark_Falcon  Jun 20, 2015 6:33:38pm

re: #11 William Lewis

I have found in military history circles that the “acceptable” way of hiding one’s racism is to couch it in terms of “The Waffen SS weren’t the bad ones” or “the Selous Scouts were only fighting communists” ignoring the reality behind both organizations.

While I can think of people who honestly study, for example, German WWII long arms, a red flag goes up about that person that never quite goes away.

And when I go to a gun show and see some scum bag in Rhodesian cammo? Let’s just say it’s nice they let the world know how they really think.

My own thinking goes like “The Waffen SS was a monstrous force that did great evil, and even those in it who did not commit atrocities still fought to preserve one of the worst regimes the world has ever known.”

As for the Selous Scouts of Rhodesia I’d say that most of them were decent men but they fought for a bad cause and Robert Mugabe’s post-1980 depredations cannot be used to retroactively justify fighting to preserve white minority rule in what became Zimbabwe. The Selous Scouts were not nearly so bad as the Waffen SS , but they were not good guys either.

Even the name given the country by the government the Scouts fought for was unworthy, since Cecil Rhodes was a cruel and vain ass who inflicted great hardships upon southern Africa to enrich himself.

36 Charles Johnson  Jun 20, 2015 6:33:41pm
37 Tigger2  Jun 20, 2015 6:34:11pm

re: #34 Targetpractice

Had a wingnut send that article to me yesterday and I just about puked. You could already see the narrative forming that Roof was yet another “lone wolf,” not in any way associated with other conservatives.

BS, some parts of his manifesto aren’t to far from a Fox News script as far as I’m concerned.

38 team_fukit  Jun 20, 2015 6:34:32pm

re: #34 Targetpractice

That’s why I’m thankful for LGF, it’s exposing the shooter’s associations.

I read the manifesto. It sounds more like the musing of an old, bitter racist - especially the spiele about how internet racists are all talk and how moving Northwest is a cop-out - than something an uneducated 21 year-old would just come up with alone.

39 Charles Johnson  Jun 20, 2015 6:37:57pm
40 #FergusonFireside  Jun 20, 2015 6:38:08pm

This other CCC twitter account has the same header photo & is still up.

twitter.com

41 Targetpractice  Jun 20, 2015 6:40:19pm

I think what has wingnuts feeling especially uncomfortable now is that there really is no ambiguity about Roof’s motivations or his personal beliefs. They can’t point to a copy of The Communist Manifesto and say “AHA! He’s totally a liberal!” This guy is cut from the same cloth as they are and it’s making them all very uncomfortable because they can’t condemn him too loudly, lest some in their own ranks begin to question their loyalty.

42 KingKenrod  Jun 20, 2015 6:40:40pm

re: #13 Charles Johnson

This looks like the same rally, held in April 2006:

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43 #FergusonFireside  Jun 20, 2015 6:41:39pm

re: #42 KingKenrod

This looks like the same rally, held in April 2006:

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Yep, same guy screaming from the back of the pickup truck.

44 De Kolta Chair  Jun 20, 2015 6:41:47pm

The three stages of life according to the soundtracks of the late John Barry:

Goldfinger

Thunderball

You Only Live Twice

Not necessarily in that order

45 #FergusonFireside  Jun 20, 2015 6:42:42pm

They even have an ill eagle sign.

jesus christo.

46 The War TARDIS  Jun 20, 2015 6:42:47pm

Maybe the the rhetoric needs to be harsher from out side.

47 Tigger2  Jun 20, 2015 6:43:11pm

re: #36 Charles Johnson

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A “Flag of Treason” is what I called it in the comment section of a petition I signed to Nikki Haley to take down the Confederate flag.

48 Jenner7  Jun 20, 2015 6:43:33pm

re: #44 De Kolta Chair

I like Dances With Wolves and Out of Africa.

49 Belafon  Jun 20, 2015 6:44:02pm

re: #42 KingKenrod

This looks like the same rally, held in April 2006:

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According to your link, it’s the protest that created the Tea Party in South Carolina. Nice.

50 Dark_Falcon  Jun 20, 2015 6:44:39pm

re: #33 William Lewis

Most people don’t recognize it as such - they just see camo. Most of these people would wear a certain black uniform or one of that groups camo smocks if they could. But Rhodesian passes “under the radar” for most people. en.wikipedia.org

Ironically, the Zimbabwe Army still uses it.

It’s actually a pretty good camo pattern. The Selous Scouts were also known for a distinctive camo pattern on their FN FALs that was nicknamed “Baby Poop”. Here’s a photo:

Image: tumblr_m2icznsZgR1r9khx4o1_1280.jpg

Note that at least half of the soldiers in that truck are black, as it bears noting that the Selous scouts and the units supporting them were not the bastions of white supremacy many racists think they were. They still fought for the wrong cause, to be clear.

51 Charles Johnson  Jun 20, 2015 6:45:41pm

re: #42 KingKenrod

This looks like the same rally, held in April 2006:

webcache.googleusercontent.com

Good catch. That’s the event. An anti-immigration rally.

52 sagehen  Jun 20, 2015 6:45:57pm

re: #25 team_fukit

Rogers is wearing an Ireland shirt, and I can’t tell… is a lady in the front row of the background pic holding an IRA sign?

there is actually a tradition of racist Irish nationalists who supported the Confederacy, like John Mitchel

The IRA had dealings/alliances with Germany, in the lead-up and during both world wars… but it was based almost entirely on their feelings about England.

53 William Lewis  Jun 20, 2015 6:48:47pm

re: #50 Dark_Falcon

It’s actually a pretty good camo pattern. The Selous Scouts were also known for a distinctive camo pattern on their FN FALs that was nicknamed “Baby Poop”. Here’s a photo:

Image: tumblr_m2icznsZgR1r9khx4o1_1280.jpg

Note that at least half of the soldiers in that truck are black, as it bears noting that the Selous scouts and the units supporting them were not the bastions of white supremacy many racists think they were. They still fought for the wrong cause, to be clear.

Black cops participate daily in the oppression of black citizens by police departments across the US. Once you sell your soul to join The Clampdown, you work for your kills even if it’s your own people…

54 John Vreeland  Jun 20, 2015 6:50:36pm

KKK translates into Latin as CCC.

55 Charles Johnson  Jun 20, 2015 6:51:20pm
56 Tigger2  Jun 20, 2015 6:53:40pm

re: #46 The War TARDIS

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Video

Maybe the the rhetoric needs to be harsher from out side.

I bookmarked this song so I can post it under any post of Dixie Land I see come up on FB or other sites I got to.

57 Charles Johnson  Jun 20, 2015 6:56:12pm

washingtonpost.com

As he methodically fired and reloaded several times, the person said, Roof called out: “You all are taking over our country. Y’all want something to pray about? I’ll give you something to pray about.”

58 DodgerFan1988  Jun 20, 2015 6:57:00pm

But Ann Coulter said the Council of Conservative Citizens are not a racist organization.

59 thedopefishlives  Jun 20, 2015 6:57:25pm

re: #58 DodgerFan1988

But Ann Coulter said the Council of Conservative Citizens are not a racist organization.

Ann Coulter is a racist bitch. If she said the sky was blue, I’d run outside to check.

60 De Kolta Chair  Jun 20, 2015 6:57:43pm

I hope my previous comment riffing John Barry didn’t come off as dissing the maestro, because he was a fantabulous composer and arranger and a huge influence on me and a million others. Just check out this track from one of his last albums:

61 Dark_Falcon  Jun 20, 2015 7:02:16pm

re: #52 sagehen

The IRA had dealings/alliances with Germany, in the lead-up and during both world wars… but it was based almost entirely on their feelings about England.

Although you’d think someone familiar with the history of Ireland would know enough about persecution to not side with the CCC. In an earlier time and another place, the ‘Anglo-Saxons’ of the CC would have been Black and Tans:

62 Decatur Deb  Jun 20, 2015 7:04:56pm

A link from the IRA to an immigration rally in SC would be pretty tenuous. the sign is partly obscured, and the word probably relates to “Iraq” which was hot then.

63 HappyWarrior  Jun 20, 2015 7:10:16pm

re: #25 team_fukit

Rogers is wearing an Ireland shirt, and I can’t tell… is a lady in the front row of the background pic holding an IRA sign?

there is actually a tradition of racist Irish nationalists who supported the Confederacy, like John Mitchel

Yeah I am actually reading a little about Mitchel right now since he’s prominent in Thomas Meagher’s life. I don’t understand the Irish nationalists that supported the CSA. I do understand that racism definitely motivated many of them but to not see the cause of enslaved African-Americans as similar to what was happening in Ireland that time just strikes me as tragic. STill, I proudly have an Irish brigade flag in my room and used it as the model for my first tattoo.

64 Belafon  Jun 20, 2015 7:11:37pm

re: #62 Decatur Deb

A link from the IRA to an immigration rally in SC would be pretty tenuous. the sign is partly obscured, and the word probably relates to “Iraq” which was hot then.

To me, the sign looks like it’s saying “Don’t Fight Iraq.”

65 HappyWarrior  Jun 20, 2015 7:12:02pm

re: #61 Dark_Falcon

Although you’d think someone familiar with the history of Ireland would know enough about persecution to not side with the CCC. In an earlier time and another place, the ‘Anglo-Saxons’ of the CC would have been Black and Tans:

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Yeah it’s odd for sure. History is full of complications though. As already mentioned the IRA helped the Germans during both world wars but Lord Haw Haw (William Joyce, who I hope like hell isn’t a distant kinsman, I’m a Joyce on my father’s mother’s mother’s side) was a rare Irish Catholic sympathizer to the Black and Tans.

66 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jun 20, 2015 7:12:47pm

re: #33 William Lewis

Most people don’t recognize it as such - they just see camo. Most of these people would wear a certain black uniform or one of that groups camo smocks if they could. But Rhodesian passes “under the radar” for most people. en.wikipedia.org

Ironically, the Zimbabwe Army still uses it.

They used dazzle camouflage on uniforms? It was phased out on ships in the early days of WWII, because it was designed to confuse split-image rangefinders and they weren’t as important then as they were in WWI, but I never dreamed anybody used it for uniforms. You learn something new every day….

67 Decatur Deb  Jun 20, 2015 7:13:25pm

re: #64 Belafon

To me, the sign looks like it’s saying “Don’t Fight Iraq.”

As a guess I’d go with something like “I didn’t fight in Iraq for…”

68 De Kolta Chair  Jun 20, 2015 7:14:02pm

re: #61 Dark_Falcon

Although you’d think someone familiar with the history of Ireland would know enough about persecution to not side with the CCC. In an earlier time and another place, the ‘Anglo-Saxons’ of the CC would have been Black and Tans:

(Pictured: John Ford) Have a magic night, Dark Falcon!

69 HappyWarrior  Jun 20, 2015 7:14:09pm

I bet this freak is flipping his shit over Ireland legalizing SSM.

70 ObserverArt  Jun 20, 2015 7:14:35pm

Later Lizards.

Governor Haley…take down this flag!

71 HappyWarrior  Jun 20, 2015 7:16:16pm

Just finished re-watching True Detective season 1. Man what a great show.

72 Decatur Deb  Jun 20, 2015 7:16:57pm

re: #71 HappyWarrior

Just finished re-watching True Detective season 1. Man what a great show.

If you like light-hearted whimsy.

73 HappyWarrior  Jun 20, 2015 7:17:14pm

re: #72 Decatur Deb

If you like light-hearted whimsy.

Ha.

74 piratedan  Jun 20, 2015 7:18:58pm

I do marvel at the gyrations performed by the right that shine any kind of light on the crap that they have under their collective rocks.

“He’s burning an American Flag!” - so that he can hold the Confederate one

“He’s killing Christians!” - yep, Black Christians

“He’s drug addled and from a broken home!” - and who gave him the gun and why isn’t he in jail?

every card they play, we counter and now they’re busy redefining what the words, Liberal and racist mean knowing full well what they mean so that they can scurry away, clutching their pearls doing anything that they can not to see themselves in Roof.

75 Charles Johnson  Jun 20, 2015 7:20:39pm

I basically despise everything Mitt Romney stands for. But at the very least (and it IS the very least) he’s on the right side of this issue.

76 De Kolta Chair  Jun 20, 2015 7:21:04pm

Catch ya at the depot, gators, and sweet dreams

77 HappyWarrior  Jun 20, 2015 7:22:17pm

re: #75 Charles Johnson

I basically despise everything Mitt Romney stands for. But at the very least (and it IS the very least) he’s on the right side of this issue.

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Yeah not a Mitt fan at all but he does deserve credit here. The presidential candidates meanwhile are cowards.

78 Decatur Deb  Jun 20, 2015 7:22:48pm

re: #75 Charles Johnson

I basically despise everything Mitt Romney stands for. But at the very least (and it IS the very least) he’s on the right side of this issue.

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Maybe he’ll run again. There’s no room in the clown car, but there’s always the roof rack.

79 HappyWarrior  Jun 20, 2015 7:24:02pm

He’s gotten push back predictably from the right on this because of course.

80 team_fukit  Jun 20, 2015 7:24:06pm

re: #75 Charles Johnson

Don’t get me wrong, I’m all about the flag coming down.

But my worry is that if they take down the flag they’ll be too busy patting themselves on the back over it to actually address any of the systemic problems in the education system that allow racism in the state to persist.

It’s focusing on the symbol rather than the origins of racist attitudes.

81 De Kolta Chair  Jun 20, 2015 7:24:35pm

Oh, and one other thang…

82 HappyWarrior  Jun 20, 2015 7:24:43pm

re: #80 team_fukit

Don’t get me wrong, I’m all about the flag coming down.

But my worry is that if they take down the flag they’ll be too busy patting themselves on the back over it to actually address any of the systemic problems in the education system that allow racism in the state to persist.

It’s focusing on the symbol rather than the origins of racist attitudes.

Right, that too.

83 HappyWarrior  Jun 20, 2015 7:24:56pm

re: #81 De Kolta Chair

Oh, and one other thing…

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Levon always gets an upding.

84 William Lewis  Jun 20, 2015 7:25:05pm

re: #76 De Kolta Chair

Catch ya at the depot, gators, and sweet dreams

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Heck of an opening sequence.

85 thedopefishlives  Jun 20, 2015 7:25:56pm

re: #78 Decatur Deb

Maybe he’ll run again. There’s no room in the clown car, but there’s always the roof rack.

Or under the bus.

86 Targetpractice  Jun 20, 2015 7:26:44pm

re: #75 Charles Johnson

I basically despise everything Mitt Romney stands for. But at the very least (and it IS the very least) he’s on the right side of this issue.

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The thing that makes it bittersweet is that we know, if Mitt had chosen to run, he’d be out there saying much of the same shit as the rest of the GOP field is.

87 HappyWarrior  Jun 20, 2015 7:27:08pm

re: #86 Targetpractice

The thing that makes it bittersweet is that we know, if Mitt had chosen to run, he’d be out there saying much of the same shit as the rest of the GOP field is.

Yeah that is true.

88 Belafon  Jun 20, 2015 7:29:11pm

re: #80 team_fukit

Don’t get me wrong, I’m all about the flag coming down.

But my worry is that if they take down the flag they’ll be too busy patting themselves on the back over it to actually address any of the systemic problems in the education system that allow racism in the state to persist.

It’s focusing on the symbol rather than the origins of racist attitudes.

I would not be surprised if someone tries the counterargument: Taking the flag down does nothing to address the actual problems, so let’s not waste our time on it. Then again, that’s the same argument being used against closing the gun show loophole.

89 Kragar  Jun 20, 2015 7:30:04pm

… conservative identity politics are deeply irrational, with aesthetics frequently overwhelming basic common sense. You saw the same thing going on with the Duck Dynasty brouhaha. Phil Robertson, the patriarch on that show, is a moral monster whose beliefs are so odious that no amount of religious window dressing can make them look better. It’s telling that most of his conservative defenders elide discussing what he actually says in public, trying to focus their defenses on his right to free speech, which has never actually been threatened. Robertson, along with his grossly homophobic statements, endorsed the era of segregation and suggested the ideal time for girls to marry—and he means girls—is 15. I highly doubt that most of Robertson’s fan base and supporters would like it very much if he came over to their houses, offering to pull their girls out of high school so they can be married off to grown men. But he’s a white guy who says he’s Christian and conservative, so he gets these defenses, whereas liberals who aren’t gunning for your teenage daughters are treated like some kind of deviants.

Look, both Republicans and Democrats are guilty of tribalism. It’s human nature to like people who talk and dress and eat like you do, or at least the way you aspire to do those things. Liberals certainly feel their hearts soar when they see someone driving a Prius or hear that their new Tinder date went to Berkeley.

But this Duggar poll and recent events generally suggest that conservatives are going way too far with this knee-jerk tendency to believe “their” people can do no wrong and to assume “liberals” are some subversive force out to destroy everything. It’s mildly amusing when Republican voters are mindlessly preferring religious nutcases to a centrist liberal who probably gave them health care. In other cases, however, the “us good, you bad” thinking gets deeply toxic.

90 Belafon  Jun 20, 2015 7:30:25pm

re: #86 Targetpractice

The thing that makes it bittersweet is that we know, if Mitt had chosen to run, he’d be out there saying much of the same shit as the rest of the GOP field is.

He actually spoke against it in 2012 as well: washingtonpost.com

91 piratedan  Jun 20, 2015 7:31:13pm

well it is quite an indictment of the entire GOP field that none of them have the courage to plainly state what has happened and simply condemn it.

These people are running for office of the entire country and they’re afraid to call out the real racism at play here in order not to offend racists.

Really, what the fuck does this say about them as leaders and how they might react to other people looking to take advantage, North Korea? Putin? ISIS? Can these guys even do the simplest political math to understand that if they cannot and will not step up and be adults NOW, then we’re ushering some real badness to come.

92 De Kolta Chair  Jun 20, 2015 7:31:21pm

re: #84 William Lewis

Heck of an opening sequence.

My favorite thing about it is the creaky sound of the windmill. And Woody Stroud drinking water from the brim of his hat. And Jack Elam catching the fly in his gun barrel. Words can’t express how much I admire Sergio Leone. ;-)

93 team_fukit  Jun 20, 2015 7:32:34pm

re: #88 Belafon

I don’t disagree.

But it should be noted that the root of this problem is Texas textbook style education.

94 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jun 20, 2015 7:33:04pm

I completely support “Burn the Confederate Flag” day on July 4th, but it doesn’t go far enough.

I don’t know why the neo-Confederates have chosen the Beauregard Flag/Battle Flag to wave around—plausible deniability, maybe? “Just honoring the men who fought”? I don’t know.

It was early discovered that the official flag of the Confederate States of America, the Stars and Bars (yes, this is the Stars and Bars):

Was too hard to distinguish from the Stars and Stripes:

From a distance. Therefore the Army found it necessary to invent the Beauregard Flag:

The Navy never used it, because it can’t be inverted to indicate distress.

The real Stars and Bars is the symbol of the political maggots who led the CSA, the red-white-red ribbon had been a secessionist cockade for many years before the war. That’s the rag that should be being burned, along with the Georgia state flag:

Which is a fucking outrage, in my mind.

And yeah, let’s burn the Mississippi state flag while we’re at it:

95 team_fukit  Jun 20, 2015 7:34:22pm

re: #94 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

Nothing like a giant “X” to symbolize nullification

96 Belafon  Jun 20, 2015 7:36:08pm

re: #93 team_fukit

I don’t disagree.

But it should be noted that the root of this problem is Texas textbook style education.

I’m in Texas, and I agree, though interestingly, my kids history teachers aren’t using the official textbook very much. The only time I’ve truly had to correct some of the stuff my kids are learning is when a non-history teacher tried to talk about Islam.

Now, all history teaching has holes, and I’ve filled in a few, but I haven’t seen any outright contradictions.

97 Kragar  Jun 20, 2015 7:37:20pm

re: #94 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

I have no problem with burning the flag of ignorance and treason, but I also have no problem with a private citizen displaying the flag either.

What better way to know if a person is a completely ignorant bigoted sack of shit than them displaying a warning flag?

98 team_fukit  Jun 20, 2015 7:37:21pm

if South Carolina were being truly historical about their selection of state house Confederate flag, they would fly the Palmetto Guard Flag

it was the flag that took Fort Sumter and was the first Confederate flag in the state.

I think the current choice of using the Army of Northern Virginia Flag is based on a Confederate war memorial premise because the Palmetto Battery at Charleston went on to fight at Petersburg under Lee near the end of the war.

99 Targetpractice  Jun 20, 2015 7:38:07pm

re: #90 Belafon

He actually spoke against it in 2012 as well: washingtonpost.com

Ok, I’ll retract my earlier cynicism, the man had the decency to stick to his guns and I respect that.

100 Amory Blaine  Jun 20, 2015 7:38:32pm

It appeared that their discus activity was still active even after the site was down.

101 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jun 20, 2015 7:41:37pm

re: #95 team_fukit

Nothing like a giant “X” to symbolize nullification

True. I also think it was a nod to all the “Scots-Irish” in the south—basically the St. Andrew’s Cross of Scotland with (eventually) 13 stars.

102 Eric The Fruit Bat  Jun 20, 2015 7:42:02pm

re: #94 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

It always pisses me off when the nanocephalic slackjawed mouthbreathers use the Beauregard flag as the ‘official’ CSA flag when a quick Wikipedia check shows just what you posted.

103 Dark_Falcon  Jun 20, 2015 7:42:12pm

re: #86 Targetpractice

The thing that makes it bittersweet is that we know, if Mitt had chosen to run, he’d be out there saying much of the same shit as the rest of the GOP field is.

Maybe not. He was clearly against the Confederate flag display in both 2008 and 2012, when he was running, so he’d likely be against it now no matter what.

What I really think he’s doing is giving the haters a Republican establishment figure to target, thus keeping them from pressuring the candidates. It also provides a notable figure in the party calling for South Carolina to make a needed change. Thirdly, it gets Mitt Romney attention, which feeds his appetite for same.

It’s tempting to same that if Mitt Romney had been as consistent on health care as he has been on the Confederate flag, he’d be president right now. I wish that was true but it is not: Had Mitt been consistent on health care he would not have been nominated in 2012.

104 HappyWarrior  Jun 20, 2015 7:44:27pm

re: #90 Belafon

He actually spoke against it in 2012 as well: washingtonpost.com

Good man.

105 HappyWarrior  Jun 20, 2015 7:46:05pm

re: #101 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

True. I also think it was a nod to all the “Scots-Irish” in the south—basically the St. Andrew’s Cross of Scotland with (eventually) 13 stars.

Yes, St. Andrew and old school Scottish nationalism has had a big influence on white supremacy. The irony of course is the SNP is quite an inclusive party.

106 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jun 20, 2015 7:46:32pm

re: #102 Eric The Fruit Bat

It always pisses me off when the nanocephalic slackjawed mouthbreathers use the Beauregard flag as the ‘official’ CSA flag when a quick Wikipedia check shows just what you posted.

Well, they can’t use the Bonnie Blue Flag:

Any more, since it’s the flag of Somalia now. On the other hand, Somalia is their ideal commonwealth, so….

107 Dark_Falcon  Jun 20, 2015 7:48:47pm

re: #106 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

Well, they can’t use the Bonnie Blue Flag:

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Any more, since it’s the flag of Somalia now. On the other hand, Somalia is their ideal commonwealth, so….

But its full of black people, and black people who are “SCARY MOOSLUMS!!1” to boot.

108 Belafon  Jun 20, 2015 7:49:06pm

re: #105 HappyWarrior

Yes, St. Andrew and old school Scottish nationalism has had a big influence on white supremacy. The irony of course is the SNP is quite an inclusive party.

History does some interesting things: The party that freed the slaves now backs the fucked-up mythology of the South, while the party that represented slavery is the party minorities vote for.

109 HappyWarrior  Jun 20, 2015 7:50:38pm

re: #108 Belafon

History does some interesting things: The party that freed the slaves now backs the fucked-up mythology of the South, while the party that represented slavery is the party minorities vote for.

For sure. It does make SNP pretty unique for a nationalist party though. Sinn Fein and this is not a defense of the IRA’s actions mind you but they’re not racist or hostile to non-whites or non-Catholics even.

110 Kragar  Jun 20, 2015 7:51:33pm
111 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jun 20, 2015 7:51:40pm

re: #106 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

The Somali flag is interesting in showing how such a simple symbol can be a warlike provocation. The Somali Republic only incorporated the Former British and Italian Somaliland, but the five pointed star indicated that they intended ultimately to rule the former French Somaliland, the Ogaden Region of Ethiopia, and the Northeast Province of Kenya as well—all part of what they considered “Greater Somalia”.

112 HappyWarrior  Jun 20, 2015 7:51:42pm

By the way did anyone hear that the Carolina Panthers owner donated 100,000 to the victims families? Props to Jerry Richardson.

113 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jun 20, 2015 7:52:48pm

re: #108 Belafon

History does some interesting things: The party that freed the slaves now backs the fucked-up mythology of the South, while the party that represented slavery is the party minorities vote for.

I blame Dan Sickles. Seriously.

114 team_fukit  Jun 20, 2015 7:54:17pm

re: #112 HappyWarrior

eh, you are talking about the owner of the corporation that runs the infamously racist Denny’s franchise

115 HappyWarrior  Jun 20, 2015 7:54:34pm

re: #114 team_fukit

eh, you are talking about the owner of the corporation that runs the infamously racist Denny’s franchise

Oh shit really?

116 Dark_Falcon  Jun 20, 2015 7:56:23pm

re: #113 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

I blame Dan Sickles. Seriously.

Because of his actions during the battle of Gettysburg, and his working to shape that battle’s commemoration afterwards, or for more than that?

117 HappyWarrior  Jun 20, 2015 7:57:57pm

I blame Jubal Early for the lost cause stuff. I don’t know what Battleaxe is talking about though in regards to Sickles though. I do know he was a Democratic congressman before the war who killed his wife’s lover(a son on Francis Scott Key) in a jealous rage and got himself acquitted in one of the first not guilty by reason of mental defect cases.

118 Kragar  Jun 20, 2015 7:58:25pm

re: #113 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

I blame Dan Sickles. Seriously.

I blame Rutherford B Hayes for this bullshit

119 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jun 20, 2015 7:58:59pm

re: #114 team_fukit

eh, you are talking about the owner of the corporation that runs the infamously racist Denny’s franchise

I’ve come to really hate Denny’s. In my bar-hopping days I became kind of a connoisseur of 24-hour restaurants. :-) We used to have Denny’s, Sambo’s, VIP’s, Perkins, Lyons’—there are two or three more I’m forgetting—but Denny’s smoked them all out, I guess.

When VIP’s went under, there were two Dennys on the same corner down on Enchanted Parkway—you could tell the former VIP’s because the sign was pentagonal instead of hexagonal….

120 HappyWarrior  Jun 20, 2015 7:59:16pm

re: #118 Kragar

I blame Rutherford B Hayes for this bullshit

I was thinking about that loo. The agreement to end Reconstruction in exchange for ending Reconstruction. Awful.

121 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jun 20, 2015 8:00:08pm

re: #118 Kragar

I blame Rutherford B Hayes for this bullshit

Sickles was the architect of the plan that gave Hayes the last three occupied states’ electoral votes in return for withdrawing the army and ending Reconstruction.

122 bratwurst  Jun 20, 2015 8:00:18pm
123 RealityBasedSteve  Jun 20, 2015 8:00:43pm

re: #119 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

I’ve come to really hate Denny’s. In my bar-hopping days I became kind of a connoisseur of 24-hour restaurants. :-) We used to have Denny’s, Sambo’s, VIP’s, Perkins, Lyons’—there are two or three more I’m forgetting—but Denny’s smoked them all out, I guess.

When VIP’s went under, there were two Denny’s on the same corner down on Enchanted Parkway—you could tell the former VIP’s because the sign was pentagonal instead of hexagonal….

But I think we can all agree that Shoneys is the pits?

RBS

124 HappyWarrior  Jun 20, 2015 8:00:55pm

re: #121 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

Sickles was the architect of the plan that gave Hayes the last three occupied states’ electoral votes in return for withdrawing the army and ending Reconstruction.

Ahhhhhh. Was wondering what you meant.

125 jaunte  Jun 20, 2015 8:02:05pm
126 HappyWarrior  Jun 20, 2015 8:02:30pm

re: #122 bratwurst

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Yep, he was actually willing to act out on his bigotry. There’s sadly a lot of people like Dylann Roof out there. I am not exactly 100% hopeful about my generation. Yes, we are liberal than most but believe me Roof shows that millenial wingnuts are just as bigoted as their parents and grandparents. It’s going to take an actual change in conservative ideology to make me more optimistic.

127 Lancelot Link  Jun 20, 2015 8:02:38pm

re: #94 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

That just shows that the Beauregard flag is the symbol of Hate, not Heritage.

128 Belafon  Jun 20, 2015 8:02:43pm

re: #110 Kragar

Anyone who argues that Lincoln was the traitor should really just lose their America card. “Sorry, we only serve Americans here.”

129 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jun 20, 2015 8:02:55pm

re: #123 RealityBasedSteve

But I think we can all agree that Shoneys is the pits?

RBS

OK. Never heard of them, but you seem to know what you’re talking about….

130 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jun 20, 2015 8:04:10pm

re: #124 HappyWarrior

Ahhhhhh. Was wondering what you meant.

Roy Morris’ Fraud of the Century: Rutherford B. Hayes, Samuel Tilden, and the Stolen Election of 1876 covers it in very readable fashion….

131 Belafon  Jun 20, 2015 8:04:22pm

re: #126 HappyWarrior

Yep, he was actually willing to act out on his bigotry. There’s sadly a lot of people like Dylann Roof out there. I am not exactly 100% hopeful about my generation. Yes, we are liberal than most but believe me Roof shows that millenial wingnuts are just as bigoted as their parents and grandparents. It’s going to take an actual change in conservative ideology to make me more optimistic.

Someone put up the results of a poll the other day that showed that millennials are just as racist as the previous generations. They’re learning it from their parents.

132 RealityBasedSteve  Jun 20, 2015 8:04:38pm

re: #129 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

OK. Never heard of them, but you seem to know what you’re talking about….

lets put it this way…. near my house there are about every ‘casual family’ dining place in the world. On a friday night, everyone of them is jammed solid, except Shoneys, which has 3 cars in the lot.

RBS

133 HappyWarrior  Jun 20, 2015 8:05:13pm

re: #130 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

Roy Morris’ Fraud of the Century: Rutherford B. Hayes, Samuel Tilden, and the Stolen Election of 1876 covers it in very readable fashion….

Damn, wondering what I should read next, this or that book that some of you guys were talking about in regards to the rise of the Lost Cause in Southern society. I think this one perhaps since it’s chronologically first.

134 HappyWarrior  Jun 20, 2015 8:05:40pm

re: #131 Belafon

Someone put up the results of a poll the other day that showed that millennials are just as racists as the previous generations. They’re learning it from their parents.

It doesn’t surprise me unfortunately as a millennial.

135 William Lewis  Jun 20, 2015 8:06:07pm

re: #122 bratwurst

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I am so sick and tired of people defending Reddit. Time for them to either clean house or shut down.

136 Kragar  Jun 20, 2015 8:06:54pm

re: #128 Belafon

Anyone who argues that Lincoln was the traitor should really just lose their America card. “Sorry, we only serve Americans here.”

The party of Lincoln and Eisenhower is now the party of Cruz, Santorum, and Paul.

How fucking disgraceful is that?

137 piratedan  Jun 20, 2015 8:07:35pm

re: #133 HappyWarrior

just stay away from Shelby Foote’s trilogy of the Civil War, it’s a great read but it’s a long slog. Think that Ken Burns Civil War uses it and a fair amount of the Mary Chestnut diaries to provide historical clarity in allowing you to see these figures as people.

138 HappyWarrior  Jun 20, 2015 8:07:36pm

re: #136 Kragar

The party of Lincoln and Eisenhower is now the party of Cruz, Santorum, and Paul.

How fucking disgraceful is that?

Nixon weeps even. I mean Nixon was a terrible asshole but Nixon at least wanted a functioning government.

139 Belafon  Jun 20, 2015 8:07:42pm

re: #122 bratwurst

We were speculating on why no one turned Roof in before the shooting. This is exactly why: The only difference between Roof and the people around him is that he acted on it.

140 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jun 20, 2015 8:07:56pm

re: #133 HappyWarrior

Damn, wondering what I should read next, this or that book that some of you guys were talking about in regards to the rise of the Lost Cause in Southern society. I think this one perhaps since it’s chronologically first.

It covers Sickles’ prewar acquittal for murder “by reason of temporary insanity”—the first in America—as well. Really, it’s a hoot if it weren’t so baleful for the future.

141 HappyWarrior  Jun 20, 2015 8:09:00pm

re: #137 piratedan

just stay away from Shelby Foote’s trilogy of the Civil War, it’s a great read but it’s a long slog. Think that Ken Burn’s Civil War uses it and a fair amount of the Mary Chestnut diaries to provide historical clarity in allowing you to see these figures as people.

I actually have it since I bought it used at an Indy bookstore years ago. I like reading about specific things rather than general histories anyhow. One book I really enjoyed was the James Swanson book on the Lincoln assassination and hunt for Booth. So much better than the dreck O’Reilly wrote.

142 RealityBasedSteve  Jun 20, 2015 8:09:15pm

Well gang, I’m off to bed. Early wakeup to get out to the quarry to get things set up for the student divers. Keep shining the disinfecting light of truth on the racists and bigots, let it burn them like Blade did to Pearl…

RBS

143 HappyWarrior  Jun 20, 2015 8:09:32pm

re: #140 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

It covers Sickles’ prewar acquittal for murder “by reason of temporary insanity”—the first in America—as well. Really, it’s a hoot if it weren’t so baleful for the future.

Gotcha.

144 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jun 20, 2015 8:12:14pm

re: #137 piratedan

just stay away from Shelby Foote’s trilogy of the Civil War, it’s a great read but it’s a long slog. Think that Ken Burn’s Civil War uses it and a fair amount of the Mary Chestnut diaries to provide historical clarity in allowing you to see these figures as people.

Well, as a compulsive reader, I’ve read it through probably three times. People accuse him of being a Confederate sympathizer (I guess because he doesn’t insult every Rebel on every page) but he’s very clear on the causes of the war. Also I owe to him my ability to see through the Confederate character assassinations of Grant and Sherman—two real American heroes.

145 #FergusonFireside  Jun 20, 2015 8:12:26pm

re: #142 RealityBasedSteve

Well gang, I’m off to bed. Early wakeup to get out to the quarry to get things set up for the student divers. Keep shining the disinfecting light of truth on the racists and bigots, let it burn them like Blade did to Pearl…

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RBS

I am blessed that I never saw that movie. wtf.

146 Targetpractice  Jun 20, 2015 8:13:24pm

re: #128 Belafon

Anyone who argues that Lincoln was the traitor should really just lose their America card. “Sorry, we only serve Americans here.”

Atop that, if you read further, he declares that Ft. Sumter, which predated the war and never swore loyalty to the Confederacy, was illegally occupied by the North.

147 HappyWarrior  Jun 20, 2015 8:15:30pm

re: #144 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

Well, as a compulsive reader, I’ve read it through probably three times. People accuse him of being a Confederate sympathizer (I guess because he doesn’t insult every rebel on every page) but he’s very clear on the causes of the war. Also I owe to him my ability to see throug the Confederate character assassinations of Grant and Sherman—two real American heroes.

I had an English professor who reminded me of Shelby in many ways. I’ve seen the Burns series. Guy even had a thick Southern accent though he was from Jacksonville and not Mississippi. Had some personal stories about both Updike and Cheever. It was funny how that worked out. Originally, I wanted to take a class on literature from WWI to WWII but it wasn’t available and I wasn’t going to wait since it was my final semester. Ended up doing American lit from 1945 to the present and it exposed me to Cheever and to this day “The Swimmer” is my favorite short story ever.

148 William Lewis  Jun 20, 2015 8:15:36pm

re: #144 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

Well, as a compulsive reader, I’ve read it through probably three times. People accuse him of being a Confederate sympathizer (I guess because he doesn’t insult every Rebel on every page) but he’s very clear on the causes of the war. Also I owe to him my ability to see through the Confederate character assassinations of Grant and Sherman—two real American heroes.

I’d be inclined towards this. Still I always point people at “Battle Cry of Freedom” instead for history or “Killer Angels” for fiction instead.

149 HappyWarrior  Jun 20, 2015 8:16:32pm

re: #146 Targetpractice

Atop that, if you read further, he declares that Ft. Sumter, which predated the war and never swore loyalty to the Confederacy, was illegally occupied by the North.

So by that logic, all military forts are “illegally occupied” and it’s perfectly okay for people to fire on them. Hmmm wonder if he was okay with the shooting at Hood(ironically named after a CSA general no less) some years back.

150 The Vicious Babushka  Jun 20, 2015 8:17:23pm

How many people were actually executed for war crimes after the Civil War?

The Lincoln conspirators of course, and also Henri Wirz the commandant of Andersonville.

Who else?

Lee retired in comfort, Jeff Davis went to Canada.

151 HappyWarrior  Jun 20, 2015 8:18:42pm

re: #148 William Lewis

I’d be inclined towards this. Still I always point people at “Battle Cry of Freedom” instead for history or “Killer Angels” for fiction instead.

I think it’s good to have both probably. Foote is someone who grew up in a time where there were still a lot of living participants from the war. No disrespect to McPherson intended of course and the adaption of the Killer Angels- Gettysburg was one of the things that sparked my own interest in the war. I didn’t know until later I had a great great grandfather who took part in the fighting.

152 Targetpractice  Jun 20, 2015 8:19:03pm

re: #149 HappyWarrior

So by that logic, all military forts are “illegally occupied” and it’s perfectly okay for people to fire on them. Hmmm wonder if he was okay with the shooting at Hood(ironically named after a CSA general no less) some years back.

It’s a “Lost Cause” belief, that the war could have been avoided if the Union had simply surrendered Ft. Sumter and left the South alone. According to them, Lincoln purposefully kept soldiers there so as to provoke a war.

153 HappyWarrior  Jun 20, 2015 8:19:27pm

re: #150 The Vicious Babushka

How many people were actually executed for war crimes after the Civil War?

The Lincoln conspirators of course, and also Henri Wirz the commandant of Andersonville.

Who else?

Lee retired in comfort, Jeff Davis went to Canada.

That’s all that I know of. Not only that but many of them returned to politics as well. I was talking about VP Stevens last night, he went on to be governor of Georgia after the war.

154 Dark_Falcon  Jun 20, 2015 8:20:07pm

re: #121 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

Sickles was the architect of the plan that gave Hayes the last three occupied states’ electoral votes in return for withdrawing the army and ending Reconstruction.

Sickles was yet another of the political generals that plagued both sides of the American Civil War. He’s become a brigadier general simply because he’d stayed loyal to the Union and raised a New York brigade, but his highest loyalty was always to himself.

It’s worth noting that the dishonorable compromise Sickles made in 1876 (which threw away much of what his men had fought and died to achieve at Gettysburg) did not ruin Dan Sickles’ reputation. Indeed, one must sadly note that much of the 19th Century commemoration of Gettysburg, including the preservation of the battlefield, was directed by Sickles.

This was so true that upon his last visit to Gettysburg in 1912, near the end of his long life when asked if he regretted that the battlefield contained no monument to him, Sickles snapped out “Hell, this whole battlefield is my memorial!”, which was quite true.

155 HappyWarrior  Jun 20, 2015 8:20:17pm

re: #152 Targetpractice

It’s a “Lost Cause” belief, that the war could have been avoided if the Union had simply surrendered Ft. Sumter and left the South alone. According to them, Lincoln purposefully kept soldiers there so as to provoke a war.

Yeah well it’s utter crap and I like pointing out that mots of the CSA states seceded while Buchanan was still president. What Lost Causers are always banking on that the person they’re talking to doesn’t have much knowledge of the war.

156 HappyWarrior  Jun 20, 2015 8:21:12pm

re: #154 Dark_Falcon

Sickles was yet another of the political generals that plagued both sides of the American Civil War. He’s become a brigadier general simply because he’d stayed loyal to the Union and raised a New York brigade, but his highest loyalty was always to himself.

It’s worth noting that the dishonorable compromise Sickles made in 1876 (which threw away much of what his men had fought and died to achieve at Gettysburg) did not ruin Dan Sickles’ reputation. Indeed, one must sadly note that much of the 19th Century commemoration of Gettysburg, including the preservation of the battlefield, was directed by Sickles.

This was so true that upon his last visit to Gettysburg in 1912, near the end of his long life when asked if he regretted that the battlefield contained no monument to him, Sickles snapped out “Hell, this whole battlefield is my memorial!”, which was quite true.

Ended up putting himself in for the CMOH I believe. But yeah the political generals were a problem. They were inevitable of course given the large causalities and glory hounds.

157 HappyWarrior  Jun 20, 2015 8:22:25pm

amazon.com
This is what I am reading right now though. Quite good. It’s not just Civil War related though so you may get bored if you’re not like me and interested by Irish history of roughly the same period.

158 BeachDem  Jun 20, 2015 8:22:44pm

re: #80 team_fukit

Don’t get me wrong, I’m all about the flag coming down.

But my worry is that if they take down the flag they’ll be too busy patting themselves on the back over it to actually address any of the systemic problems in the education system that allow racism in the state to persist.

It’s focusing on the symbol rather than the origins of racist attitudes.

And the accolades I’ve seen for the Republican who’s going to sponsor the bill to take it down just make me puke.

I’ll just post a link to what I said about it last night because everyone’s probably tired of hearing me say the same thing over again.

littlegreenfootballs.com

159 HappyWarrior  Jun 20, 2015 8:23:47pm

re: #158 BeachDem

And the accolades I’ve seen for the Republican who’s going to sponsor the bill to take it down just make me puke.

I’ll just post a link to what I said about it last night because everyone’s probably tired of hearing me say the same thing over again.

littlegreenfootballs.com

I don’t blame you after you showed how Haley responded to the Democratic mayors and governor/lt governor proposing the same a few years ago.

160 Kragar  Jun 20, 2015 8:23:51pm

How to have fun with a Neo-Confederate:

Ask what should be done if a terrorist cell attacked a US military base and claimed it as their own.

Wait for the response.

Mention Fort Sumter.

161 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jun 20, 2015 8:23:53pm

re: #150 The Vicious Babushka

How many people were actually executed for war crimes after the Civil War?

The Lincoln conspirators of course, and also Henri Wirz the commandant of Andersonville.

Who else?

Lee retired in comfort, Jeff Davis went to Canada.

That’s the problem with all the Confederate atrocity stories—to people who lived through the 20th century none of them sound particularly atrocious. They all boil down to “Union troops didn’t respect private property!”

The only atrocities that would be accepted as such today were committed by the Confederates: Failing to allow black troops to surrender, Andersonville, the hanging of the five newspaper editors in East Tennessee….

162 BeachDem  Jun 20, 2015 8:24:17pm

re: #14 ObserverArt

That Kyle Rogers dude looks awfully familiar. Does he get his face on the ‘net a lot? Maybe some TV programs spouting his version of white superiority? As soon as I saw the image in Charles tweet above it was instant recognition. But where???

TWF5YmUgeW91J3ZlIGFjdHVhbGx5IHNlZW4gaGltIGluIHBlcnNvbi4gSGUncyBmcm9tIE9oaW8gYW5kIHdlbnQgdG8gT2hpbyBTdGF0ZS4gKE5vdyBUSEFUJ1Mgc2NhcnkuKQ==

163 HappyWarrior  Jun 20, 2015 8:25:40pm

164 The Vicious Babushka  Jun 20, 2015 8:25:40pm

Meanwhile, more shootings in the United States of Gunfuckers

165 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jun 20, 2015 8:25:52pm

re: #154 Dark_Falcon

Sickles was yet another of the political generals that plagued both sides of the American Civil War. He’s become a brigadier general simply because he’d stayed loyal to the Union and raised a New York brigade, but his highest loyalty was always to himself.

It’s worth noting that the dishonorable compromise Sickles made in 1876 (which threw away much of what his men had fought and died to achieve at Gettysburg) did not ruin Dan Sickles’ reputation. Indeed, one must sadly note that much of the 19th Century commemoration of Gettysburg, including the preservation of the battlefield, was directed by Sickles.

This was so true that upon his last visit to Gettysburg in 1912, near the end of his long life when asked if he regretted that the battlefield contained no monument to him, Sickles snapped out “Hell, this whole battlefield is my memorial!”, which was quite true.

Despite his moving out of line and creating an indefensible salient that nearly lost the whole battle.

166 HappyWarrior  Jun 20, 2015 8:26:17pm

re: #160 Kragar

How to have fun with a Neo-Confederate:

Ask what should be done if a terrorist cell attacked a US military base and claimed it as their own.

Wait for the response.

Mention Fort Sumter.

BUT THAT’s DIFFERENT. // BILL AYERS!

167 BeachDem  Jun 20, 2015 8:27:15pm

re: #78 Decatur Deb

Maybe he’ll run again. There’s no room in the clown car, but there’s always the roof rack.

And he has nothing to lose in South Carolina because the Republicans here hate him anyway—he fucking lost to NEWT in 2012.

168 William Lewis  Jun 20, 2015 8:27:52pm

Ah, well, the rain is paused. TIme to scoot to work. I’ll check in later lizards.

169 Dark_Falcon  Jun 20, 2015 8:28:32pm

re: #156 HappyWarrior

Ended up putting himself in for the CMOH I believe. But yeah the political generals were a problem. They were inevitable of course given the large causalities and glory hounds.

A final note on that is that one other former Union general was visiting the battlefield at the same time, but Joshua Lawrence Chamberlain spent most of his time there that day quietly revisiting the area where the 20th Maine had fought on little Round Top. Which was to be expected from that decent and conscientious man. Chamberlain never was as influential as Sickles, mostly because he did not seek to be so, he simply sought to do right.

It is one of the sad truths of this world that the qualities needed to win political power are normally very different from the qualities needed to use it effectively. America was very lucky to have had Abraham Lincoln as president during the Civil War, as he possessed both skill sets in sufficient measure.

170 HappyWarrior  Jun 20, 2015 8:30:57pm

I remember we were discussing the flag issue in a class. And there of course was your defender of the flag. And a black student put her five cents in and said something that really resonated with me so much that I remember it five years later. She said something about it’s fine about her wanting to remember her ancestors but people like her needed to think about what that flag means to African Americans and that flag despite what the Republican candidates and Confederate sympathizers claim does mean slavery, white supremacy, and Jim Crow. I’d feel uncomfortable banning ownership of Confederate flags but having the flag displayed as part of a state of our nation’s flag or prominently flown in one of our capitals is a disgrace.

171 The Vicious Babushka  Jun 20, 2015 8:31:36pm

STUPIDEST MEME OF THE DAY==>
The chart covers a time frame that includes both world wars.

172 HappyWarrior  Jun 20, 2015 8:32:52pm

re: #169 Dark_Falcon

A final note on that is that one other former Union general was visiting the battlefield at the same time, but Joshua Lawrence Chamberlain spent most of his time there that day quietly revisiting the area where the 20th Maine had fought on little Round Top. Which was to be expected from that decent and conscientious man. Chamberlain never was as influential as Sickles, mostly because he did not seek to be so, he simply sought to do right.

It is one of the sad truths of this world that the qualities needed to win political power are normally very different from the qualities needed to use it effectively. America was very lucky to have had Abraham Lincoln as president during the Civil War, as he possessed both skill sets in sufficient measure.

Lincoln was just a fine mix of intelligence, wisdom, and wit. Always amuses me when the lost causers try to put him down. He was brilliant. I actually nearly teared up some watching Lincoln. This was a fine man. I love Washington but I feel Lincoln was our best president. Washington and FDR are close seconds but Lincoln ran this country more than admirably in its most difficult hour.

173 HappyWarrior  Jun 20, 2015 8:34:11pm

re: #171 The Vicious Babushka

STUPIDEST MEME OF THE DAY==>
The chart covers a time frame that includes both world wars.

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It’s clear as hell what Obama was fucking talking about. Really wingnuts when was the last time there was a mass shooting in the UK? France? Germany?

174 BeachDem  Jun 20, 2015 8:34:16pm

re: #103 Dark_Falcon

It also provides a notable figure in the party calling for South Carolina to make a needed change.

See, here’s what I don’t understand. Mitt was a one-term governor and has lost every other time he’s run or tried to run for office. Why is he a “notable figure” in the party?

And why would anyone in South Carolina, particularly Republicans, listen to him—he lost to Newt by 13 points in 2012.

175 jaunte  Jun 20, 2015 8:35:10pm

re: #171 The Vicious Babushka

As if they really want to talk about Utoya and Breivik.

176 HappyWarrior  Jun 20, 2015 8:35:20pm

re: #174 BeachDem

See, here’s what I don’t understand. Mitt was a one-term governor and has lost every other time he’s run or tried to run for office. Why is he a “notable figure” in the party?

And why would anyone in South Carolina, particularly Republicans, listen to him—he lost to Newt by 13 points in 2012.

Well he was the nominee three years ago. I don’t entirely disagree though with your points though. He’s a career loser in politics.

177 HappyWarrior  Jun 20, 2015 8:35:34pm

re: #175 jaunte

As if they really want to talk about Utoya and Breivik.

BREVIK WAS A LIBERAL.//

178 Targetpractice  Jun 20, 2015 8:35:44pm

re: #171 The Vicious Babushka

STUPIDEST MEME OF THE DAY==>
The chart covers a time frame that includes both world wars.

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Not to mention the quotation marks are around something the man never said. He actually said:

“You do not see murder with this kind of scale, with this kind of frequency, in any other advanced nation on earth.”

179 The Vicious Babushka  Jun 20, 2015 8:35:58pm

re: #173 HappyWarrior

It’s clear as hell what Obama was fucking talking about. Really wingnuts when was the last time there was a mass shooting in the UK? France? Germany?

What he said was mass shootings don’t occur in other countries AT THE SAME FREQUENCY as in America, not that other countries never experience mass shootings.

They love taking some POTUS out of context, it’s the same as his “Stand by the Muslims” quote.

180 Egregious Philbin  Jun 20, 2015 8:36:06pm

Sickens me to see him wearing a shirt with the Irish flag. As a dual citizen, people like him just make me puke.

181 HappyWarrior  Jun 20, 2015 8:37:14pm

re: #179 The Vicious Babushka

What he said was mass shootings don’t occur in other countries AT THE SAME FREQUENCY as in America, not that other countries never experience mass shootings.

They love taking some POTUS out of context, it’s the same as his “Stand by the Muslims” quote.

Desperate measures for people who it’s impossible to be intellectually honest. You’er right. He never denied that these happen overseas.

182 HappyWarrior  Jun 20, 2015 8:38:00pm

re: #178 Targetpractice

Not to mention the quotation marks are around something the man never said. He actually said:

And he’s right but these insecure little fuckers every time Obama talks because they like Roof can’t stand to live in a country that has a black chief executive.

183 Mike Lamb  Jun 20, 2015 8:38:52pm

Dropping in some OT:

The wife is in Mexico because her grandmother fell and broke a leg. The ~17 month old was left with me. Love my son. We hung out all day and he wasn’t too much of a stinker. I treated myself to some ravioli (wife is gluten free and lactose intolerant—first ravioli I’ve had in over a year) (I also treated myself to some decent beers—Stone Enjoy by 7.4.15 and Lagunitas Equinox).

When exactly did my life get so exotic? 28 year old me is soooooooo pissed off right now. I don’t even know what 21 year old me would think….

184 BeachDem  Jun 20, 2015 8:39:28pm

re: #159 HappyWarrior

I don’t blame you after you showed how Haley responded to the Democratic mayors and governor/lt governor proposing the same a few years ago.

It wasn’t even a few years ago—it was last October during the 2014 election.

185 HappyWarrior  Jun 20, 2015 8:39:53pm

re: #184 BeachDem

It wasn’t even a few years ago—it was last October during the 2014 election.

D’oh. I’m sorry but you’re right. Sorry about that.

186 Belafon  Jun 20, 2015 8:40:41pm

re: #183 Mike Lamb

Dropping in some OT:

The wife is in Mexico because her grandmother fell and broke a leg. The ~17 month old was left with me. Love my son. We hung out all day and he wasn’t too much of a stinker. I treated myself to some ravioli (wife is gluten free and lactose intolerant—first ravioli I’ve had in over a year) (I also treated myself to some decent beers—Stone Enjoy by 7.4.15 and Lagunitas Equinox).

When exactly did my life get so exotic? 28 year old me is soooooooo pissed off right now. I don’t even know what 21 year old me would think….

I’d say approximately 17 + 5 or so months ago, when you found out your wife was pregnant.

187 HappyWarrior  Jun 20, 2015 8:40:42pm

Well I’m sticking it to CSA lovers by listening to Neil Young. Still can’t get over how he told Donald Trump off earlier this week priceless.

188 Belafon  Jun 20, 2015 8:42:49pm

re: #187 HappyWarrior

Well I’m sticking it to CSA lovers by listening to Neil Young. Still can’t get over how he told Donald Trump off earlier this week priceless.

Why won’t any of the Republican candidates play Ted Nugent? I’m sure he’d be happy to let them use his music.

189 HappyWarrior  Jun 20, 2015 8:44:00pm

re: #188 Belafon

Why won’t any of the Republican candidates play Ted Nugent? I’m sure he’d be happy to let them use his music.

Because they need good music to be played. Most right wing musicians are pretty meh.

190 Mike Lamb  Jun 20, 2015 8:47:22pm

re: #186 Belafon

I’d say approximately 17 + 5 or so months ago, when you found out your wife was pregnant.

May 26th-ish, 2013.

191 BeachDem  Jun 20, 2015 8:47:45pm

re: #188 Belafon

Why won’t any of the Republican candidates play Ted Nugent? I’m sure he’d be happy to let them use his music.

You’d also think Rick Perry would have latched onto Meatloaf’s “Two Out of Three Ain’t Bad.” Makes me sad that the Loaf is a wingnut.

192 BeachDem  Jun 20, 2015 8:49:16pm

Get out your hankies. This was drawn by a 7-year-old.

193 HappyWarrior  Jun 20, 2015 8:49:27pm

re: #191 BeachDem

You’d also think Rick Perry would have latched onto Meatloaf’s “Two Out of Three Ain’t Bad.” Makes me sad that the Loaf is a wingnut.

I did see that with his endorsement of Romney. At least he’s not a bigot like Nugent is. And Kid Rock while I don’t like his music doesn’t seem to be one either. Now Hank Williams, Jr and Nugent. Holy shit.

194 HappyWarrior  Jun 20, 2015 8:49:53pm

re: #192 BeachDem

Get out your hankies. This was drawn by a 7-year-old.

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Beautiful.

195 Eric The Fruit Bat  Jun 20, 2015 8:53:54pm

Suggestion for fellow travelers at Balloon Juice: use drones to attack the flags in SC using various methods. Has potential.

196 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jun 20, 2015 8:57:08pm

re: #195 Eric The Fruit Bat

Suggestion for fellow travelers at Balloon Juice: use drones to attack the flags in SC using various methods. Has potential.

Yes! Pattern recognition, pathetic as the actuality is compared with the decades of promises, should be good enough to pick out Confederate flags, and then a paintball round filled with black paint—I like it!

197 CuriousLurker  Jun 20, 2015 8:59:27pm

Interesting that the CofCC is headquartered in St. Louis. Puts the whole Ferguson thing in a new light. Doesn’t UpChuck’s lawyer have his office in St. Louis as well? I wonder just how many are connected to that crap…

198 HappyWarrior  Jun 20, 2015 9:00:14pm

re: #197 CuriousLurker

Interesting that the CofCC is headquartered in St. Louis. Puts the whole Ferguson thing in a new light. Doesn’t UpChuck’s lawyer have his office in St. Louis as well? I wonder just how many are connected to that crap…

Jim Hoft is based out of the St. Louis area. I know Limbaugh is from Missouri too but Cape Girdeau is a ways from St. Louis and I doubt he’s actually lived in Missouri for years.

199 Amory Blaine  Jun 20, 2015 9:00:41pm
For Romney
200 CuriousLurker  Jun 20, 2015 9:01:10pm

re: #198 HappyWarrior

So all these asshats… O_o

201 Charles Johnson  Jun 20, 2015 9:01:44pm

You’ve got to be kidding me. Kyle Rogers is the Examiner’s “Charleston Conservative Examiner?”

Wut the hell!

examiner.com

202 jaunte  Jun 20, 2015 9:04:12pm

re: #201 Charles Johnson

Kyle Rogers:
“…Of the estimated 30 million or so black Africa slaves who were taken out of Sub-Saharan Africa, the ones brought to the United States were clearly the lucky ones.”
examiner.com

Man driven insane by his need to minimize U.S. slavery.

203 goddamnedfrank  Jun 20, 2015 9:05:29pm

re: #201 Charles Johnson

You’ve got to be kidding me. Kyle Rogers is the Washington Examiner’s “Charleston Conservative Examiner?”

Wut the hell!

examiner.com

Naw, examiner.com and washingtonexaminer.com are different entities. examiner is one of those “let’s empower total random idiots everywhere” sites.

Examiner.com is fully powered by Examiners, thousands of writers who are self-motivated independent contributors. Each Examiner is able to express through words and photos a deep expertise in a topic. Their knowledge is enhanced by a viewpoint unique to their experiences and oftentimes, their location.

Ready? Here are the qualifications we expect of Examiners, and of you as an applicant:

You are a credible, passionate and knowledgeable subject matter expert
Even if you’re not a professional writer, you feel ready to write interesting articles about your topic in the third person
-You are willing to provide timely, accurate and fair information with proper attribution of your sources as appropriate
-As it makes sense, you’re willing to infuse your articles with a local point of view, including coverage of venues, events and local attractions
-You are willing to contribute on a regular basis to build and keep your audience
-You are interested in creating the highest quality articles possible and are open to feedback if it is provided

204 GlutenFreeJesus  Jun 20, 2015 9:06:15pm

re: #196 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

Drone with a Bernzomatic torch. ;)

205 Charles Johnson  Jun 20, 2015 9:06:27pm
206 Charles Johnson  Jun 20, 2015 9:06:56pm

re: #203 goddamnedfrank

Right, and it looks like even that site gave him the boot.

207 goddamnedfrank  Jun 20, 2015 9:08:46pm

Examiner is like Medium, encouraging douchebags everywhere to provide them content for free, and pretend to be very serious journalists when they’re not. Twitter and Facebook and most social media obviously does this too, but they don’t present themselves as more than they really are. It’s the Dunning Kruger wing of the publishing industry.

208 Eric The Fruit Bat  Jun 20, 2015 9:13:06pm

re: #196 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

Or better still-one drone paints it with kerosene and another flies by and ignites it with a thermite charge.

209 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jun 20, 2015 9:13:21pm

re: #207 goddamnedfrank

Examiner is like Medium, encouraging douchebags everywhere to provide them content for free, and pretend to be very serious journalists when they’re not. Twitter and Facebook and most social media obviously does this too, but they don’t present themselves as more than they really are. It’s the Dunning Kruger wing of the publishing industry.

That was McGraw-Hill after they published that Clifford Irving Howard Hughes biography….

210 Interesting Times  Jun 20, 2015 9:15:05pm

Has anyone else mentioned this?

Confederate Flag Wavers *Heart* Mia Love

Image: mia-love-confederate.jpg

I’ve got to wonder what, if anything, she has to say about that now…

211 dholmes32  Jun 20, 2015 9:17:09pm

Just got home from eating crab cakes and okra at my mama’s and all I have to say to this news is, “GOOD. Way past time.”

212 #FergusonFireside  Jun 20, 2015 9:17:34pm
213 goddamnedfrank  Jun 20, 2015 9:18:42pm
214 CuriousLurker  Jun 20, 2015 9:19:34pm

Hmm, some more of Kyle’s Twitter stuff: twtrland.com

The internet is forever, Kyle.

215 JadeHelmCurious  Jun 20, 2015 9:20:40pm
216 goddamnedfrank  Jun 20, 2015 9:23:17pm

re: #214 CuriousLurker

Hmm, some more of Kyle’s Twitter stuff: twtrland.com

The internet is forever, Kyle.

There’s one surviving link mentioning both him and Chuck on Twitter.

217 Interesting Times  Jun 20, 2015 9:23:41pm

(Oh, and hi everyone. I’ve been away for a while because I finally reached the “I can’t read anymore about US politics because it’s just too soul-crushingly depressing” phase :/ But I had to come back now because if there’s any current event in desperate need of the LGF anti-derp treatment, it’s this one.)

218 #FergusonFireside  Jun 20, 2015 9:25:11pm

Night all.

219 goddamnedfrank  Jun 20, 2015 9:28:08pm

Sad.

220 piratedan  Jun 20, 2015 9:30:59pm

re: #219 goddamnedfrank

I can hear the fiddles now, ‘cause the Right don’t sit for Violins

221 Belafon  Jun 20, 2015 9:41:37pm

re: #219 goddamnedfrank

It’s biased to the left only because we don’t generally threaten others. But I believe they banned some feminists in favor of gamergate nutjobs.

222 CuriousLurker  Jun 20, 2015 9:43:07pm

re: #217 Interesting Times

(Oh, and hi everyone. I’ve been away for a while because I finally reached the “I can’t read anymore about US politics because it’s just too soul-crushingly depressing” phase :/ But I had to come back now because if there’s any current event in desperate need of the LGF anti-derp treatment, it’s this one.)

it’s good to have you back, even if the circumstances are awful.

223 Drive By Commenter  Jun 20, 2015 9:44:35pm

It’s the oldest trick/excuse/con in the book. I never meant that violence would come from my words. I did not mean to demean the people I called monkeys and less. The visuals were only to make a point.
That point should be so LOUD it cannot be ignored or swept aside. It’s your baby, it’s your family, it’s you. You fed it and brought it to legs. It’s yours. All yours regardless of what anyone says. And you people are mother fuckers. Stone cold asswipe mother fuckers who have blood on your hands. Some can forgive this outright murder. They are larger than me.

224 BeachDem  Jun 20, 2015 9:45:04pm

re: #210 Interesting Times

Has anyone else mentioned this?

Confederate Flag Wavers *Heart* Mia Love

Image: mia-love-confederate.jpg

I’ve got to wonder what, if anything, she has to say about that now…

Hey, at one point, this kid was Tim Scott’s intern:

225 teleskiguy  Jun 20, 2015 9:45:11pm

The “Lost Cause” fuckers with Twitter accounts have come out of the woodwork. I’ve seen too many tweets to list that deny completely that the Civil War was fought over the institution of slavery.

It’s gotten me rather depressed.

226 BeachDem  Jun 20, 2015 9:48:46pm

re: #216 goddamnedfrank

There’s one surviving link mentioning both him and Chuck on Twitter.

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And it was back when Todd Kincannon was still tweeting. Ah, memories.

227 BeachDem  Jun 20, 2015 9:50:12pm

re: #219 goddamnedfrank

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Sad.

And she’ll promote the boycott on Twi…oh, never mind.

228 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jun 20, 2015 9:51:56pm

re: #226 BeachDem

And it was back when Todd Kincannon was still tweeting. Ah, memories.

Memories. Now there’s the song the GOP candidates should be using.

229 goddamnedfrank  Jun 20, 2015 9:53:14pm

I’m glad that Mitt Romney called for taking down the Confederate Flag from the SC Statehouse. However, maybe I’m just being a dick but “To many, it is a symbol of racial hatred” seems just the teensiest bit like a qualification.

My point is basically right now I’m not interested in creating any space for those hardheaded motherfuckers who aren’t saying that’s exactly what that flag is. Because it’s that and more. It was put up to instill terror in the black populace and civil rights workers in the 60’s, and it is the flag of a defeated traitorous slave holding government. So I’m not exactly interested in hearing “to many, it is a …” type bullshit. I want to hear “to everybody out there with half a functioning brain this shit is straight up horrifying and inexcusable.”

Yes, I know I’m being unrealistic, because I’m talking about Mitt Romney and it’s some species of minor miracle that he was able to say something about this that wasn’t the verbal equivalent of a tire fire. But still, c’mon, we all know what that flag is about, and it ain’t heritage or pride, and we don’t need to leave space right now for people who say it is. Because those people are fucktards.

230 CuriousLurker  Jun 20, 2015 10:01:35pm

Oh look, Kyle was on a SC county GOP executive committee back in 2013:
White nationalist group member joins Dorchester County GOP leadership

Apparently he’s also on the CoCC’s national board of directors, or at least he was back in 2012: Suburban Supremacist: Summerville resident Kyle Rogers a rising star in the radical right movement

DU posted this pic from 1992 showing GOP politicians happily associating with the CoCC, as well as this one from CPAC ‘97 (CoCC was a sponsor) showing some of the same faces. Here’s the DU thread.

The GOP is clearly infested with this crap and has been for decades. The TP is just the latest iteration and the mask slipped. DF, if you’re reading, you party is rotten to the core and beyond redemption, AFAIC.

I’m disgusted with these people. Gonna go look for some brain bleach now.

Later, lizards.

231 BeachDem  Jun 20, 2015 10:03:15pm

re: #229 goddamnedfrank

I’m glad that Mitt Romney called for taking down the Confederate Flag from the SC Statehouse. However, maybe I’m just being a dick but “To many, it is a symbol of racial hatred” seems just the teensiest bit like a qualification.

My point is basically right now I’m not interested in creating any space for those hardheaded motherfuckers who aren’t saying that’s exactly what that flag is. Because it’s that and more. It was put up to instill terror in the black populace and civil rights workers in the 60’s, and it is the flag of a defeated traitorous slave holding government. So I’m not exactly interested in hearing “to many, it is a …” type bullshit. I want to hear “to everybody out there with half a functioning brain this shit is straight up horrifying and inexcusable.”

Yes, I know I’m being unrealistic, because I’m talking about Mitt Romney and it’s some species of minor miracle that he was able to say something about this was wasn’t the verbal equivalent of a tire fire. But still, c’mon, we all know what that flag is about, and it ain’t heritage or pride, and we don’t need to leave space right now for people who say it is. Because those people are fucktards.

In the words of Aaron Sorkin (spoken by Robert Guillaume’s character on Sports Night)

In the history of the South, there’s
much to celebrate. And that flag is a
desecration of all of it. It’s a
banner of hatred and separation. It’s
a banner of ignorance and violence and
a war that pitted brother against
brother, and to ask young black men
and women, young Jewish men and women,
Asians, Native Americans, to ask
Americans to walk beneath its shadow
is a humiliation of irreducable
proportions. And we all know it.

Plus, as to Mitt—maybe I’m just too cynical, but I’ve always thought of Mitt as somebody who holds a grudge, and I think he’d like to stick it as much as possible to South Carolina—not that my dear state doesn’t deserve it—where he only carried 3 counties in the 2012 primary (2 of which then went to Obama in the general) and lost to Newt.

232 CuriousLurker  Jun 20, 2015 10:07:41pm

re: #230 CuriousLurker

SPLC has a file on him too: Kyle Rogers.

Really leaving this time. Laters.

233 team_fukit  Jun 20, 2015 10:12:39pm

re: #201 Charles Johnson

Wow, he’s condemning “Frankfurt School” tactics.

Doesn’t that pre-date Alinsky? Talk about Paleo.

234 BeachDem  Jun 20, 2015 10:19:36pm

1966

plus ça change, plus c’est la même chose

235 The War TARDIS  Jun 20, 2015 10:34:18pm

re: #224 BeachDem

An acquaintance of mine said that what happened in Charleston was just like what happened at New Life in 2007.

When I pointed out that this is not the case, with it being a White Supremacist attack, she deleted the comment.

We used to be good friends, and she is half-Hispanic (Mexico, or Nuevomexicano. She was a bit vague. Perhaps both).

ME, and even my somewhat racist dad suffered brain explosions. The level of cognitive dissonance gave me and him a headache.

Mom pointed out, she now live in a small town in Nebraska, with a white husband. Combined with being raised by a RWNJ, she probably sees herself as white.

Whereas I see myself, and identify myself as Muslim. And my family has accepted that with me being close to the South Asian community, that I will liekly being finding someone from that community too, even if it takes a few more years.

236 BeachDem  Jun 20, 2015 10:51:05pm

re: #235 The War TARDIS

Yeah, it was just the same except for the fact that it was entirely and completely different.//

That guy had a specific grudge against that church, was a Christian who hated Christians and blamed his parents and abuse for his hatred.

237 Ace-o-aces  Jun 21, 2015 1:21:48am

re: #219 goddamnedfrank

238 TimJ  Jun 21, 2015 6:49:44am

Not sure how scared the CoCC is. Their website is up and running, the apparently unmoderated forums are full of the worst our “fellow citizens” have to offer. Racism is dead? Not at CoCC!

239 MartiansAteMyCat  Jun 21, 2015 8:32:11am

Let’s not forget that our FOXNews friend Tony Perkins, one of the most anti-gay voices out there, spoke before the CCC in 2001, not long after he was fined for lying about paying money to David Duke for his mailing list.

Tony Perkins and the CCC

240 Jay C  Jun 21, 2015 9:15:26am

re: #203 goddamnedfrank

Naw, examiner.com and washingtonexaminer.com are different entities. examiner is one of those “let’s empower total random idiots everywhere” sites.

What? No extra points for “Award-Winning Journalist”??


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