Council of Conservative Citizens Website Back Online, but Spokesman Kyle Rogers Is Still Off Twitter

Unfortunately, the website’s disappearance was just temporary
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Unfortunately, the Council of Conservative Citizens’ grotesque racist hate site is back online today, after being down throughout the day yesterday.

By comparing the current comments for their horrible post about the Charleston shootings to my saved copy, I can see they deleted quite a few comments, but I’m not sure why they bothered — because the newer comments posted today are just as awful as anything they deleted. This website is a center of the racist sickness that has made a huge resurgence on the right in the past decade.

However, even though the website is back up, the Twitter account of their spokesman Kyle Rogers (@kylerogers76) is still closed as of this writing.

Here’s a video of Rogers ranting at an anti-immigrant rally in August 2014, saying conservatives should never be afraid of being called “racist.”

Vimeo

Also see
S.C. Killer Dylann Roof’s Segregation Inspiration: The Council Of Conservative Citizens And The Politicians Who Pander To Them Dozens of Politicians Attend Council of Conservative Citizens Events | Southern Poverty Law Center Council of Conservative Citizens | Southern Poverty Law Center Kyle Rogers | Southern Poverty Law Center

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1 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Jun 21, 2015 12:29:10pm

Coming soon on TV:
The Real Racists of Charleston

2 PhillyPretzel  Jun 21, 2015 12:31:40pm

re: #1 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

Another reason to watch PBS. Poldark starts tonight. :)

3 GlutenFreeJesus  Jun 21, 2015 12:32:07pm

Who is their web host and don’t they have a TOS?

4 Charles Johnson  Jun 21, 2015 12:35:48pm

re: #3 GlutenFreeJesus

Who is their web host and don’t they have a TOS?

They’re actually running Google Adsense ads, even though the nature of their site clearly violates the Adsense TOS.

5 Eclectic Cyborg  Jun 21, 2015 12:38:35pm

Are there any openly white supremacist GOP politicians?

6 Eclectic Cyborg  Jun 21, 2015 12:39:02pm

re: #4 Charles Johnson

They’re actually running Google Adsense ads, even though the nature of their site clearly violates the Adsense TOS.

I wonder how stringently Google polices it.

7 The Vicious Babushka  Jun 21, 2015 12:40:25pm
8 Charles Johnson  Jun 21, 2015 12:57:20pm
9 wrenchwench  Jun 21, 2015 12:58:28pm

re: #5 Eclectic Cyborg

Are there any openly white supremacist GOP politicians?

Depends on your interpretations of ‘openly’, and ‘white supremacist’. I think Nikki Haley fills the bill, but with pre-installed deniability. So does Joe Arpaio.

10 allegro  Jun 21, 2015 12:58:36pm

re: #2 PhillyPretzel

Another reason to watch PBS. Poldark starts tonight. :)

Coolness! Thanks for the heads up.

11 Eclectic Cyborg  Jun 21, 2015 1:00:32pm

re: #9 wrenchwench

Depends on your interpretations of ‘openly’, and ‘white supremacist’. I think Nikki Haley fills the bill, but with pre-installed deniability. So does Joe Arpaio.

I was thinking more unapologetic, out in the open white supremacy.

12 scottslemmons  Jun 21, 2015 1:00:33pm

re: #5 Eclectic Cyborg

Steve King, almost certainly. Definitely Tom Tancredo, though he’s at least not in office anymore.

13 Eclectic Cyborg  Jun 21, 2015 1:01:10pm

I find myself openly wondering at what point should white people just shut the fuck up about race issues.

14 Eclectic Cyborg  Jun 21, 2015 1:01:30pm

re: #13 Eclectic Cyborg

I find myself openly wondering at what point should white people just shut the fuck up about race issues.

Or perhaps, more accurately, stop acting like they understand.

15 The Vicious Babushka  Jun 21, 2015 1:03:12pm

Oh look A Idiot in my Time Line

16 allegro  Jun 21, 2015 1:03:17pm

re: #13 Eclectic Cyborg

I find myself openly wondering at what point should white people just shut the fuck up about race issues.

Being open to learning, asking sincere questions, then STFU and listen works quite well, in my experience.

17 goddamnedfrank  Jun 21, 2015 1:03:37pm
18 The Vicious Babushka  Jun 21, 2015 1:04:25pm

Srsly those Clinton/Gore buttons? Whose brilliant idea was that stupid shit?

19 Lidane  Jun 21, 2015 1:06:09pm

re: #12 scottslemmons

Steve King, almost certainly. Definitely Tom Tancredo, though he’s at least not in office anymore.

Duncan Hunter too, I think. Bob Dornan, IIRC.

20 Obdicut (Now with 2% less brain)  Jun 21, 2015 1:09:07pm

re: #8 Charles Johnson

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Kind of like only straight judges can rule on gay marriage.

I’d like to remind everyone that Scalise, the House Majority Whip, is a long-term associate of one of David Duke’s closest political operatives, Kenneth Knight, and Scalise had no problem speaking to a white supremacist organization, EURO. He claims he didn’t know that’s what they were: this rings false, because this was while Knight was actively campaigning for David Duke.

They have both told conflicting stories about this, Knight—first saying Scalise spoke to a ‘civic group’ that met before EURO’s conference, but oops, Scalise already admitted he talked to EURO. Then Knight tried to claim he was just speaking at the conference, that he didn’t organize EURO—but he was the treasurer.

This is Scalise. This is the Majority Whip, one of the most powerful positions in the GOP. The guy who uses political threats and promises on other GOP members to keep them in line and voting the way that the leadership wants. It is the most mainstream position that you can have; it defines the mainstream of the GOP.

The modern GOP is completely infected with racism. Even beyond racism, they are White Christian Supremacists. They invited the religious right in for cynical political reasons and now that has come to completely dominate the party. There is nothing left of any sort of decent, rational, or honest GOP. It is dead.

21 allegro  Jun 21, 2015 1:09:53pm

re: #19 Lidane

Duncan Hunter too, I think. Bob Dornan, IIRC.

No one mentioned Ron Paul with his revoltingly racist publications? I suggest his son lays right at the foot of the tree as well.

22 Dr. Matt  Jun 21, 2015 1:10:58pm
23 goddamnedfrank  Jun 21, 2015 1:11:19pm
24 Lidane  Jun 21, 2015 1:11:36pm

re: #21 allegro

No one mentioned Ron Paul with his revoltingly racist publications? I suggest his son lays right at the foot of the tree as well.

True. But the Pauls both cover their overt racism with “libertarian” language about “freedom” so a lot of folks don’t realize how fanatical they really are.

25 blueraven  Jun 21, 2015 1:12:27pm

re: #8 Charles Johnson


Typical WSJ bullshit.

26 William Lewis  Jun 21, 2015 1:14:59pm

Allegro:

slice 2 large leeks into chicken stock. Dice a couple of pounds of potatos (a half dozen or so large potatos for me) into the stock. I like to dice a couple of carrots & stalks of celery as well.

Bring to boil then simmer for as long as possible. Minimum 2 hours.

Puree.

Add one stick of butter & 1 cup heavy cream.

Only herb I usually use is parsley, though my herbs de Provence mix is good too. Add at this point. Simmer on low for a half hour.

For hot, Add fresh sliced mushrooms and serve with sourdough bread.

For cold, chill overnight before serving. I still like the mushroom but but they’re not needed.

27 missliberties  Jun 21, 2015 1:16:03pm

Chuck Todd’s historic moment in whitesplaining.

Chuck Todd missed a once in a lifetime opportunity to let the healing begin today, by showing us that both blacks and whites get trapped by gun violence. Instead he added insult to injury and threw more fuel on the racist fire.

28 Higgs Boson's Mate  Jun 21, 2015 1:16:28pm

re: #8 Charles Johnson

According to the WSJ’s Gerald Seib President Obama can’t be a “neutral observer” on race issues. Only white people can be neutral, I guess.

Neutral? WTF does that even mean? That’s like being neutral about genocide.

29 allegro  Jun 21, 2015 1:16:33pm

re: #26 William Lewis

Thank you! I will be fixing that one soon. You guys rock !

31 goddamnedfrank  Jun 21, 2015 1:20:20pm

re: #27 missliberties

Chuck Todd’s historic moment in whitesplaining.

Chuck Todd missed a once in a lifetime opportunity to let the healing begin today, by showing us that both blacks and whites get trapped by gun violence. Instead he added insult to injury and threw more fuel on the racist fire.

That video wasn’t the only nugget of oblivious caucasian dumb-fuckery that Meet the Press dropped into the pool this morning by the way.

Gerald Seib of the Wall Street Journal said today on MSNBC’s Meet the Press round table that President Obama “carries his own background into race and he’s not seen as a neutral observer.”

Yes, if only President Obama were white, he’d have no background or race to bring into race discussions.

“This is the great irony of the first African American president, in some ways he finds it harder to talk about race because he carries his own background into it, he’s not seen necessarily as a neutral observer,” Seib racesplained. “He’s not having much effect and I think you see the frustration when he talks about these things on either front, on the racial front or on the guns front. You can tell that bothers him.”

Todd moved on from that without correcting the false idea that only white people can be neutral on race. But Helene Cooper of the New York Times (who is Liberian-born, maybe we shouldn’t let her talk about things she knows the more about than white people?) tried not to look completely puzzled by the upside down world as seen through the lens of “some people” and said she doesn’t think Obama has a hard time talking about race, it’s that he gets jumped on a lot when he does.

32 goddamnedfrank  Jun 21, 2015 1:21:49pm

re: #31 goddamnedfrank

Oh, I should read the thread first to see if somebody already mentioned my point? Whatever, nobody does that anymore.

33 missliberties  Jun 21, 2015 1:25:40pm

re: #32 goddamnedfrank

Oh, I should read the thread first to see if somebody already mentioned my point? Whatever, nobody does that anymore.

We still love you !!

34 allegro  Jun 21, 2015 1:27:16pm

re: #32 goddamnedfrank

Oh, I should read the thread first to see if somebody already mentioned my point? Whatever, nobody does that anymore.

Some things are worth repeating.

35 allegro  Jun 21, 2015 1:29:40pm

All my cooking is done including dinner for the dogs. All that’s left to do is make another Mohito. I see trouble in my immediate future. Heh.

36 The Ghost of a Bikini Shank  Jun 21, 2015 1:31:42pm

re: #28 Higgs Boson’s Mate

Neutral? WTF does that even mean? That’s like being neutral about genocide.

Now that white supremacy isn’t explicitly built into the political and social structure, the new strategy is to disavow that white supremacy was purpose-built to create racial distinction and create a hierarchy of power. So “neutrality” means claiming that black people, whose experience of race involves it being forcibly applied upon them, with no opt-out, are as biased as racist whites who accept the paradigm that they’re inherently superior.

Positive black identity exists only as a contra-distinction to a prevailing culture of assigned stigma. “I’m just a person” doesn’t work if your life has to include a calculation of whether other people are going to hurt you for your perceived race.

37 goddamnedfrank  Jun 21, 2015 1:33:48pm
38 ObserverArt  Jun 21, 2015 1:36:08pm

re: #17 goddamnedfrank

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Thanks for putting those tweets out there GDF. Updinged.

I’ve been on Todd all morning. He can’t even act like he is acting sincere.

Reminds me, I need to see if I can be one of the millions of people bombarding NBC News with comments. Couldn’t get through last time. I need to vote. Even if only symbolic. Numbers count.

39 Charles Johnson  Jun 21, 2015 1:36:19pm
40 ObserverArt  Jun 21, 2015 1:37:02pm

re: #18 The Vicious Babushka

Srsly those Clinton/Gore buttons? Whose brilliant idea was that stupid shit?

All politics is local. So, someone thought you got to fight mud with some more mud.

41 Shiplord Kirel  Jun 21, 2015 1:37:26pm

re: #32 goddamnedfrank

Oh, I should read the thread first to see if somebody already mentioned my point? Whatever, nobody does that anymore.

Hi Frank. To answer the question you asked the other night, I do still have my Ruger #1 and I like it very much. Handling and balance are near perfect, it points naturally, and it is more than accurate enough for anything but competition target shooting. The falling block action is easy to use, with natural motion and solid, obvious lockup. With a little practice you can reload and shoot again in about the time it takes to line up again after the recoil of the last shot.

42 SteveMcGaziBolaGate  Jun 21, 2015 1:38:18pm

re: #8 Charles Johnson

Remember when the wingnuts complained that a gay judge in CA was hearing the Prop 8 case?

43 Shiplord Kirel  Jun 21, 2015 1:40:28pm

re: #41 Shiplord Kirel

Hi Frank. To answer the question you asked the other night, I do still have my Ruger #1 and I like it very much. Handling and balance are near perfect, it points naturally, and it is more than accurate enough for anything but competition target shooting. The falling block action is easy to use, with natural motion and solid, obvious lockup. With a little practice you can reload and shoot again in about the time it takes to line up again after the recoil of the last shot.

44 Dr. Matt  Jun 21, 2015 1:45:01pm

These are the people who spend every waking moment obsessing over the personal lives of women, minorities, and gays and yet refuse to take a stand against the confederate rag. Disgusting.

45 BeachDem  Jun 21, 2015 1:45:01pm

John Kasich, as he is about to throw his hat in the center ring of the GOP circus, says, “Amateur hour is over.”

To which I add, Asshole Afternoon is about to begin.

46 GlutenFreeJesus  Jun 21, 2015 1:47:13pm

re: #4 Charles Johnson

Then it needs to be brought to their attention. ;)

47 ObserverArt  Jun 21, 2015 1:52:40pm

re: #33 missliberties

We still love you !!

Well, here I have been praising GDF lately and he goes and does this!

Hrmmphhh. People.

48 stpaulbear  Jun 21, 2015 1:52:54pm

re: #44 Dr. Matt

That’s a pretty brilliant photoshop.

49 GlutenFreeJesus  Jun 21, 2015 1:55:51pm
50 ObserverArt  Jun 21, 2015 1:58:49pm

re: #45 BeachDem

John Kasich, as he is about to throw his hat in the center ring of the GOP circus, says, “Amateur hour is over.”

To which I add, Asshole Afternoon is about to being.

BeachDem…did you happen to catch my post days back where I speculated he might use the July 3rd Red, White & Boom Fireworks party downtown as a backdrop for him to announce? All-American city…close vote decider state…Republican TV hookup with local FOX and use all the people as “attendees” in the broadcast and then use it all in his commercials. 400,000 plus, even more if the weather is great. Would it surprise anyone?

Edit…back to the woodwork. Stain boogaloo 3.

51 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing  Jun 21, 2015 2:04:57pm

re: #5 Eclectic Cyborg

Are there any openly white supremacist GOP politicians?

David Duke?

52 BeachDem  Jun 21, 2015 2:05:40pm

re: #50 ObserverArt

BeachDem…did you happen to catch my post days back where I speculated he might use the July 3rd Red, White & Boom Fireworks party downtown as a backdrop for him to announce? All-American city…close vote decider state…Republican TV hookup with local FOX and use all the people as “attendees” in the broadcast and then use it all in his commercials. 400,000 plus, even more if the weather is great. Would it surprise anyone?

Edit…back to the woodwork. Stain boogaloo 3.

I did, and I agree—that’s probably exactly what he’ll do. And the sycophant Columbus Dispatch will have a headline like “hundreds of thousands turn out for Kasich’s announcement.”

53 CuriousLurker  Jun 21, 2015 2:12:20pm

re: #5 Eclectic Cyborg

Are there any openly white supremacist GOP politicians?

At the state level there was Russell Pearce, but he got recalled & then defeated. He also endorsed (the late) J. T. Ready for Mesa (AZ) City Council in 2006.

I’m pretty sure you can find a LOT at the state level, not as many at the national level (though they usually reach the national level through local politics).

54 The Vicious Babushka  Jun 21, 2015 2:12:56pm
55 ObserverArt  Jun 21, 2015 2:17:01pm

Earlier, BeachDem mentioned Kyle Rogers of CofCC might have been familiar to me because he has been around Columbus.

I had a tab open from a search on him and hadn’t read it. Just did. The results (sorry if already posted, don’t remember seeing this):

Onepeoplesproject.com - KYLE ROGERS

In January of 2001 the Council of Conservative Citizens added an Ohio Valley chapter. By July the Columbus Dispatch had an article titled “Hate clans taking root in Ohio soil,” made reference to that particular chapter. That left a bad taste in the mouth of its chairman, who fired off a letter to the paper. Admonishing it for what he saw as a “deliberate attempt to hurt our organization’s growth,” he charges that the article takes its cue from the Anti-Defamation League, and that the Council of Conservative Citizens is a reputable organization because its membership includes state representatives, state senators and even one state Supreme Court justice, mayors, sheriffs, radio personalities, college professors, ministers, bishops “The C of CC does not have ANY potential for violence like your article claims,” the chairman cried. “The Columbus Dispatch clearly painted a false picture of the C of CC. Do the people that I mentioned sound like the type of people that would be part of a violent “hate group?”

Uhhh..yeah, and ironically we need to look no further than the chairman itself as proof. He was Kyle Rogers, and no we are not talking about the hockey player for the Toronto Marlies. This Kyle Rogers is a white supremacist activist who has been doing this kind of thing ever since he was in high school and simply found a new niche for his hatemongering. According to Anti-Racist Action, who had dealt with him and his antics when he was in Columbus, Ohio, he has been in the Klan (a violent hate group) and suspected of being in the National Alliance (another violent hate group), which has always has some sort of cross-pollination with the C of CC. He has contacted One People’s Project and denies such affiliations, however. But he is a C of CC member, and when he was running the Ohio C of CC chapter he raised a few eyebrows by getting white power programs on Columbus’ public access television station and the persons featured on the program, such as former Klansman David Duke or the currently incarceraed white supremacist leader Matt Hale, have either participated in, been an advocate for or are part of groups that have been connected to violent activity.

These days he makes his home in Charleston, South Carolina and is still with the C of CC in another capacity, as the organization’s webmaster. He contributed articles to the Citizens’ Informer, the C of CC’s publication and speaks at several C of CC events, but regardless of how much he puts himself out there, he always stayed under the radar somewhat. But is inner white power nerd came out late 2010 when he got the organization involved in one of the stupidest political campaigns ever, even for white supremacists.

—Cut— More in full article.

56 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing  Jun 21, 2015 2:18:33pm

re: #55 ObserverArt

Earlier, BeachDem mentioned Kyle Rogers of CofCC might have been familiar to me because he has been around Columbus.

I had a tab open from a search on him and hadn’t read it. Just did. The results (sorry if already posted, don’t remember seeing this):

Onepeoplesproject.com - KYLE ROGERS

“we are not talking about the hockey player for the Toronto Marlies.”

If you have to dig down to the Toronto Marlies to make a joke about someone’s name … you’ve gone too far.

57 BeachDem  Jun 21, 2015 2:20:24pm

re: #55 ObserverArt

So, did that ring any bells for you? I had never really heard of him, either in Columbus or South Carolina—and I guess I’m glad of that.

58 The Vicious Babushka  Jun 21, 2015 2:20:39pm

This Idiot said HURR HURR BLAMING TEH HERITAGEOUS SOUTHRON FLAG FOR TEH RACISM IS LIKE MAKING EXXON CLEAN UP A OIL SPILL BY BP!!!!!11!!

59 allegro  Jun 21, 2015 2:22:25pm

re: #56 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing

“we are not talking about the hockey player for the Toronto Marlies.”

If you have to dig down to the Toronto Marlies to make a joke about someone’s name … you’ve gone too far.

I see that as not a joke but a clear differentiation to avoid libeling the athlete.

60 CuriousLurker  Jun 21, 2015 2:24:30pm

re: #53 CuriousLurker

At the state level there was Russell Pearce, but he got recalled & then defeated. He also endorsed (the late) J. T. Ready for Mesa (AZ) City Council in 2006.

I’m pretty sure you can find a LOT at the state level, not as many at the national level (though they usually reach the national level through local politics).

Just to clarify, when I said “not as many at the national level” I was referring to politicians being “openly white supremacist”, which is what the initial question was asking. I’m sure there are plenty who keep it concealed.

61 allegro  Jun 21, 2015 2:25:03pm

re: #58 The Vicious Babushka

This Idiot said HURR HURR BLAMING TEH HERITAGEOUS SOUTHRON FLAG FOR TEH RACISM IS LIKE MAKING EXXON CLEAN UP A OIL SPILL BY BP!!!!!11!!

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Those who died to keep slaves and take up arms against their own countrymen dishonored their own names.

62 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing  Jun 21, 2015 2:26:49pm

re: #59 allegro

I see that as not a joke but a clear differentiation to avoid libeling the athlete.

Nope, I know how that writing goes. Nobody in Columbus knows who the player is with the Toronto team. (The whole paragraph is poorly written, but I guarantee that wasn’t just something to avoid libeling a minor hockey player).

Edit - When the story identifies the KR as associated with the CoCC and living in S.C., that’s differentiating. That was a lame attempt at a joke.

63 CuriousLurker  Jun 21, 2015 2:27:20pm

re: #60 CuriousLurker

Arghhh, there goes the stupid keyboard shortcut again! Please refresh #60.

64 BeachDem  Jun 21, 2015 2:30:22pm

And, as if things aren’t sad enough, today marks 51 years since the murders of Goodman, Schwerner and Chaney.

…

Freedom Summer—I know I have recommended it before, but if you haven’t watched it—do.

pbs.org

65 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing  Jun 21, 2015 2:30:57pm

re: #60 CuriousLurker

Just to clarify, when I said “not as many at the national level” I was referring to politicians being “openly white supremacist”, which is what the initial question was asking. I’m sure there are plenty who keep it concealed.

You start out in 1954 by saying, “N***(r, N***(r, N***(r.” By 1968 you can’t say “N***(r”—that hurts you, backfires. So you say stuff like, uh, forced busing, states’ rights, and all that stuff, and you’re getting so abstract. Now, you’re talking about cutting taxes, and all these things you’re talking about are totally economic things and a byproduct of them is, blacks get hurt worse than whites…. “We want to cut this,” is much more abstract than even the busing thing, uh, and a hell of a lot more abstract than “N***(r, N***(r.”

- Lee Atwater

66 CuriousLurker  Jun 21, 2015 2:31:39pm

re: #65 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing

- Lee Atwater

THIS.

67 Eric The Fruit Bat  Jun 21, 2015 2:31:50pm

re: #58 The Vicious Babushka

This website just came out of nowhere-very suspicious methinks.

68 Shiplord Kirel  Jun 21, 2015 2:31:54pm

As far as I am concerned gun control is a dead issue. It is way too late for that.

The racists and fascists are armed to the teeth already, with far more guns and ammunition than they can use. They are spoiling for Civil War II and they are sublimely sure their firearms give them an insurmountable advantage.

They are quite wrong if the proverbial stuff does hit the fan though. Unlike the ammosexuals, I don’t believe that a gun will solve every problem. However, a gang of fascist vigilantes coming up your driveway is one problem a gun will solve.
Right wing gun nuts are actually at a disadvantage in the use of firearms, since so much of their equipment selection, tactical thinking, and general approach to the subject are based on Hollywood fantasy and psycho-sexual compensation.

69 Eric The Fruit Bat  Jun 21, 2015 2:36:30pm

re: #58 The Vicious Babushka

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And he says racism is dead on his only other post. His Twitter bio says he’s a self-proclaimed (“REAL”) philosopher.

We got us another CCJ here, folks!

70 CuriousLurker  Jun 21, 2015 2:40:02pm

re: #58 The Vicious Babushka

This Idiot said HURR HURR BLAMING TEH HERITAGEOUS SOUTHRON FLAG FOR TEH RACISM IS LIKE MAKING EXXON CLEAN UP A OIL SPILL BY BP!!!!!11!!

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I clicked on the link (stupid me). I took one look at the title & tag line of his blog and I knew what it would be.

TabooBlog . net
Discussing the topics others may wish to avoid

They always say that when they want to express their bigotry—the target of said bigotry is being overly PC, can’t handle criticism, gets “outraged” too easily, is in denial, engaging in apologia, etc. As a matter of fact, it sounds a lot like the stuff a former lizard who shall not be named used to say.

71 CuriousLurker  Jun 21, 2015 2:42:02pm

re: #69 Eric The Fruit Bat

I know that’s publicly available info for anyone who wants to look it up, but LGF has a long-standing policy about not posting people’s address, phone number, etc. so you might want to edit that before it gets zapped.

72 Shiplord Kirel  Jun 21, 2015 2:45:44pm

This is grotesque at many levels:
South Carolina governor says Charleston massacre gunman should ‘absolutely’ be put to death but state lacks one of three drugs needed for lethal injections

Their supply of phenobarbital has expired. I shit you not.
They can presumably still get rope, bullets, and sharp blades in South Carolina but those are apparently off the table. If they can’t bring themselves to string him up, shoot him, or pull the lanyard on a guillotine, maybe they should reconsider this lethal farce called the death penalty altogether.

73 Eric The Fruit Bat  Jun 21, 2015 2:46:11pm

re: #71 CuriousLurker

Done

74 The Vicious Babushka  Jun 21, 2015 2:48:28pm

STUPIDEST MEME OF THE DAY==>
Liberals DO BLAME HIM & also all the people who enabled him.

75 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing  Jun 21, 2015 2:50:00pm

re: #74 The Vicious Babushka

STUPIDEST MEME OF THE DAY==>
Liberals DO BLAME HIM & also all the people who enabled him.

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DAFUQ?

76 Eric The Fruit Bat  Jun 21, 2015 2:50:29pm

re: #58 The Vicious Babushka

77 allegro  Jun 21, 2015 2:51:06pm

re: #74 The Vicious Babushka

STUPIDEST MEME OF THE DAY==>
Liberals DO BLAME HIM & also all the people who enabled him.

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The people who literally weaponized him, mentally as well as with lethal arms. It didn’t happen in a vaccuum.

78 CuriousLurker  Jun 21, 2015 2:52:32pm

re: #76 Eric The Fruit Bat

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LOL

79 Belafon  Jun 21, 2015 2:54:02pm

re: #74 The Vicious Babushka

80 Timothy Watson  Jun 21, 2015 2:54:02pm

re: #75 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing

DAFUQ?

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Stupid question, but what film is that GIF from?

81 Shiplord Kirel  Jun 21, 2015 2:54:37pm

re: #74 The Vicious Babushka

STUPIDEST MEME OF THE DAY==>
Liberals DO BLAME HIM & also all the people who enabled him.

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These assholes never stop lying. It is as though they have lied so often, about so much, that telling the truth is an utterly alien concept to them.

82 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing  Jun 21, 2015 2:57:20pm

re: #80 Timothy Watson

I honestly don’t know. It’s one of Rickman’s lesser known films.

83 allegro  Jun 21, 2015 2:58:54pm

re: #82 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing

I honestly don’t know. It’s one of Rickman’s lesser known films.

Mel Brooks and Bea Arthur. I dunno the movie though.

84 Eric The Fruit Bat  Jun 21, 2015 3:01:16pm

re: #83 allegro

Rickman’s table flip is different from my post.

85 b.d.  Jun 21, 2015 3:01:51pm

I guess that every single GOP candidate would be fine with people in the audience flying confederate flags at every single one of their rallies?

86 allegro  Jun 21, 2015 3:02:16pm

re: #84 Eric The Fruit Bat

Rickman’s table flip is different from my post.

Oh. Wrong post. I’ll just go to the corner now.

87 b.d.  Jun 21, 2015 3:02:53pm

re: #74 The Vicious Babushka

STUPIDEST MEME OF THE DAY==>
Liberals DO BLAME HIM & also all the people who enabled him.

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They left off video games from that list because that is what they blame this on.

88 OhNoZombies!  Jun 21, 2015 3:03:01pm

re: #81 Shiplord Kirel

These assholes never stop lying. It is as though they have lied so often, about so much, that telling the truth is an utterly alien concept to them.

Yeah…deflection is easier to deal with.
Self-reflection is a bastard.

89 Targetpractice  Jun 21, 2015 3:03:33pm

re: #74 The Vicious Babushka

STUPIDEST MEME OF THE DAY==>
Liberals DO BLAME HIM & also all the people who enabled him.

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It’s the same song and dance after every shooting, “Blame the shooter!” We do, dingleberries, but we also recognize that the shooter couldn’t have killed 9 people without a weapon and motivation. The weapon was a gun, and the motivation was hatred towards black folks. That you’re uncomfortable addressing that does not make it any less true.

90 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing  Jun 21, 2015 3:03:36pm

re: #84 Eric The Fruit Bat

Rickman’s table flip is different from my post.

I thought allegro was replying to me?

Who’s on first? I don’t know!
;)

91 allegro  Jun 21, 2015 3:04:40pm

re: #90 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing

I thought allegro was replying to me?

Who’s on first? I don’t know!
;)

I’m in the corner. Youse guys fight it out.

92 Eclectic Cyborg  Jun 21, 2015 3:05:24pm

re: #56 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing

“we are not talking about the hockey player for the Toronto Marlies.”

If you have to dig down to the Toronto Marlies to make a joke about someone’s name … you’ve gone too far.

A google search for the name Kyle Rogers gives the hockey player as the first result. That’s likely why he was mentioned in the article.

93 Jenner7  Jun 21, 2015 3:11:15pm

Shouldn’t we get some Supreme Court rulings this coming week??

94 bratwurst  Jun 21, 2015 3:13:03pm

Ha!

95 allegro  Jun 21, 2015 3:13:36pm

re: #93 Jenner7

Shouldn’t we get some Supreme Court rulings this coming week??

Yeah, not knowing if I’ll have health insurance or not next month is such a thrilling adventure.

96 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing  Jun 21, 2015 3:14:35pm

re: #92 Eclectic Cyborg

A google search for the name Kyle Rogers gives the hockey player as the first result. That’s likely why he was mentioned in the article.

Weak excuse. They identified him by affiliation (CoCC), place of residence, etc. I don’t know why they’d then have to say it’s not *that* Kyle Rogers.*

97 The Vicious Babushka  Jun 21, 2015 3:14:38pm

re: #80 Timothy Watson

Stupid question, but what film is that GIF from?

History of the World Part I

98 stpaulbear  Jun 21, 2015 3:15:34pm

re: #93 Jenner7

Shouldn’t we get some Supreme Court rulings this coming week??

Unfortunately, here are still two mondays left in June.

99 allegro  Jun 21, 2015 3:16:04pm

re: #97 The Vicious Babushka

History of the World Part I

Whee! I got company in the corner! LOL

100 The Vicious Babushka  Jun 21, 2015 3:16:44pm

STUPIDEST MEME OF THE DAY==>

I’m not going to Tweet this, #tcot would totally orgasm over it

Wingnut 9/11 fantasy
101 b.d.  Jun 21, 2015 3:16:51pm

re: #93 Jenner7

Shouldn’t we get some Supreme Court rulings this coming week??

The wingnuts are ready to change the subject, at this point I bet they’re looking forward to whining about the Affordable Care Act subsidies being upheld.

//

102 BeachDem  Jun 21, 2015 3:17:09pm

re: #80 Timothy Watson

Stupid question, but what film is that GIF from?

Portraits in Dramatic Time (2011)

An array of glacially paced performances of theater artists and actors of all genres and nationalities both well-known and under-recognized.

imdb.com

103 ObserverArt  Jun 21, 2015 3:17:36pm

re: #92 Eclectic Cyborg

A google search for the name Kyle Rogers gives the hockey player as the first result. That’s likely why he was mentioned in the article.

Interesting. I did my search as “Kyle Rogers Columbus Ohio” based on BeachDem’s comment I might have recognized the guy around Columbus as he has been active here.

I think the article linked was third in the search and in the little text blurb I saw mention of CofCC. Columbus probably worked in the search because of the mention of The Dispatch newspaper editorial he did not like.

By the way BeachDem, no I still can’t connect him from the Columbus thing. But a thought came to me I may have seen him mentioned either at Texas Open Carry or some Gamer Dude/Mens Rights BS site that was linked around here back with other stuff.

104 Eric The Fruit Bat  Jun 21, 2015 3:18:10pm

re: #72 Shiplord Kirel

They could probably get a compounding pharmacy to make an injectable form of secobarbitol from capsule as it is hygroscopic.

105 Eric The Fruit Bat  Jun 21, 2015 3:21:12pm

re: #100 The Vicious Babushka

Imagine someone dropping a flash bang in a suburban Dallas Theater and all the ammosexuals start firing indiscriminately.

It’s not a matter of if-but when.

106 BeachDem  Jun 21, 2015 3:22:38pm

re: #103 ObserverArt

Interesting. I did my search as “Kyle Rogers Columbus Ohio” based on BeachDem’s comment I might have recognized the guy around Columbus as he has been active here.

I think the article linked was third in the search and in the little text blurb I saw mention of CofCC. Columbus probably worked in the search because of the mention of The Dispatch newspaper editorial he did not like.

By the way BeachDem, no I still can’t connect him from the Columbus thing. But a thought came to me I may have seen him mentioned either at Texas Open Carry or some Gamer Dude/Mens Rights BS site that was linked around here back with other stuff.

I saw the mention of Columbus in a Post and Courier article, then searched just what you did—his name and Columbus, Ohio, and got to the same article you did (among others.) Didn’t search for the Dispatch editorial he was so upset about—not sure how far back Dispatch archives go before you have to pay!

As I mentioned, I had truly never heard of the guy—in OH or SC—and kind of glad about that.

107 allegro  Jun 21, 2015 3:23:05pm

re: #105 Eric The Fruit Bat

Imagine someone dropping a flash bang in a suburban Dallas Theater and all the ammosexuals start firing indiscriminately.

It’s not a matter of if-but when.

Good reason to watch movies at home and shop online. I knew my laziness and anti-social nature had an upside.

108 allegro  Jun 21, 2015 3:25:22pm

re: #100 The Vicious Babushka

STUPIDEST MEME OF THE DAY==>

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I’m not going to Tweet this, #tcot would totally orgasm over it

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Has anyone pointed out to genius Katt that all sharp objects are totally banned on flights now? So that part is wrong too. Box cutters are “controlled.”

109 Jenner7  Jun 21, 2015 3:26:29pm

“It is only a symbol of hate to those wrapped around the false notion the civil war was about slavery when it was not. It was about representation in the government. Same people who ignorantly see the swastika and think only Nazi Germany when it has been a religious symbol of peace for centuries. Misinterpretation doesn’t mean ypur right in fact means the oppsosite.”

Comment about the confederate flag. Is it me, or is this crazy insane??

110 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 21, 2015 3:26:55pm

re: #62 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing

Nope, I know how that writing goes. Nobody in Columbus knows who the player is with the Toronto team. (The whole paragraph is poorly written, but I guarantee that wasn’t just something to avoid libeling a minor hockey player).

Edit - When the story identifies the KR as associated with the CoCC and living in S.C., that’s differentiating. That was a lame attempt at a joke.

Kyle Rogers played hockey for the Toledo Walleye and he is still very well known in Ohio.
So, the clarification was absolutely justified.

ETA: I just checked and he has re-signed with Toledo and is captain of the team.
Minor league or otherwise, he is a known person in Ohio.

111 allegro  Jun 21, 2015 3:27:45pm

re: #109 Jenner7

“It is only a symbol of hate to those wrapped around the false notion the civil war was about slavery when it was not. It was about representation in the government. Same people who ignorantly see the swastika and think only Nazi Germany when it has been a religious symbol of peace for centuries. Misinterpretation doesn’t mean ypur right in fact means the oppsosite.”

Comment about the confederate flag. Is it me, or is this crazy insane??

When were southern states denied representation?

112 ObserverArt  Jun 21, 2015 3:33:20pm

Uggh. More searching produced this. What was last night’s discussion about Irish and the CofCC type thinking? Yeah…in Ohio too.

…

Found it off this link which I have made inactive, but if you want to see the sludge and how they are tying it all together. Take out the underscores and put the periods back in.

www_cofccohio_org/1801.html

113 Shiplord Kirel  Jun 21, 2015 3:35:30pm

re: #109 Jenner7

“It is only a symbol of hate to those wrapped around the false notion the civil war was about slavery when it was not. It was about representation in the government. Same people who ignorantly see the swastika and think only Nazi Germany when it has been a religious symbol of peace for centuries. Misinterpretation doesn’t mean ypur right in fact means the oppsosite.”

Comment about the confederate flag. Is it me, or is this crazy insane??

Just dishonest, a garden variety right wing lie. although “representation in the government” is a new one on me. I am used to the idea of “a tariff” being responsible since this was taught in the revisionist propaganda that passed for history in the public schools of Texas when I was young. They never could explain when this tariff was proposed, what the enabling legislation was called, what the provisions were, or what the south found so objectionable, but “a tariff” was declared by the teachers and coaches to be the cause, and so it was.
None of the secession ordinances mention a tariff at all. All but South Carolina’s include eloquent defenses of slavery however. That of Texas goes on for two (of its 3) paragraphs about the institution and the need to protect it.

114 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 21, 2015 3:36:16pm
115 Belafon  Jun 21, 2015 3:36:23pm

re: #109 Jenner7

“It is only a symbol of hate to those wrapped around the false notion the civil war was about slavery when it was not. It was about representation in the government. Same people who ignorantly see the swastika and think only Nazi Germany when it has been a religious symbol of peace for centuries. Misinterpretation doesn’t mean ypur right in fact means the oppsosite.”

Comment about the confederate flag. Is it me, or is this crazy insane??

Yep, it’s crazy.

The new constitution has put at rest, forever, all the agitating questions relating to our peculiar institution African slavery as it exists amongst us the proper status of the negro in our form of civilization. - Alexander H. Stephens, VP CSA.

teachingamericanhistory.org

116 ObserverArt  Jun 21, 2015 3:37:04pm

re: #112 ObserverArt

Uggh. More searching produced this. What was last night’s discussion about Irish and the CofCC type thinking? Yeah…in Ohio too.

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Found it off this link which I have made inactive, but if you want to see the sludge and how theya re tying it all to. Take out the underscores and put the periods back in.

www_cofccohio_org/1801.html

About 2:52 in they get rolling on the problems with integration. Wheeee…

117 Targetpractice  Jun 21, 2015 3:37:25pm

re: #109 Jenner7

“It is only a symbol of hate to those wrapped around the false notion the civil war was about slavery when it was not. It was about representation in the government. Same people who ignorantly see the swastika and think only Nazi Germany when it has been a religious symbol of peace for centuries. Misinterpretation doesn’t mean ypur right in fact means the oppsosite.”

Comment about the confederate flag. Is it me, or is this crazy insane??

It’s bullshit, the states that seceded laid out their reasons for doing so. And they all made it clear that they feared emancipation of their slaves and the loss of tens of millions of dollars in “property.” They seceded because the North was slowly tightening the noose on slavery, such as barring slave owners from bringing their slaves with them when traveling north and refusing to enforce the Fugitive Slave Act.

118 Belafon  Jun 21, 2015 3:38:34pm

re: #114 Backwoods_Sleuth

I’m pretty sure Robin Williams would have noticed that Bush and Clinton never ran against each other. And just ignore the black president.

119 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing  Jun 21, 2015 3:40:49pm

re: #110 Backwoods_Sleuth

Kyle Rogers played hockey for the Toledo Walleye and he is still very well known in Ohio.
So, the clarification was absolutely justified.

ETA: I just checked and he has re-signed with Toledo and is captain of the team.
Minor league or otherwise, he is a known person in Ohio.

The fact that he re-signed with Toledo negates my point, and I stand humble before the Lizardem with my sincere apologies.

120 allegro  Jun 21, 2015 3:41:43pm

re: #119 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing

The fact that he re-signed with Toledo negates my point, and I stand humble before the Lizardem with my sincere apologies.

There are Mohitos here in the corner. ;)

121 Shiplord Kirel  Jun 21, 2015 3:43:21pm

Why can’t the goddamned wingnuts just tell the truth instead of debasing themselves with these non-stop, continuously debunked, transparent figleaf lies?
The wingnuts believe blacks are inferior and violent, as well as virile, and the wingnuts want guns to keep them in line. It is not against the law to believe that. What is the problem with telling the truth? Have the courage of your convictions, racists, speak up now. You will feel better if you do.

122 BeachDem  Jun 21, 2015 3:44:20pm

re: #113 Shiplord Kirel

Just dishonest, a garden variety right wing lie. although “representation in the government” is a new one on me. I am used to the idea of “a tariff” being responsible since this was taught in the revisionist propaganda that passed for history in the public schools of Texas when I was young. They never could explain when this tariff was proposed, what the enabling legislation was called, what the provisions were, or what the south found so objectionable, but “a tariff” was declared by the teachers and coaches to be the cause, and so it was.
None of the secession ordinances mention a tariff at all. All but South Carolina’s include eloquent defenses of slavery however. That of Texas goes on for two (of its 3) paragraphs about the institution and the need to protect it.

Heritage of Hate: Dylann Roof, White Supremacy and the Truth About the Confederacy

…they insist that the flag and more broadly the Confederacy itself was not about racism. Indeed, they insist the flag is about “heritage, not hate.” It’s an old canard and one that we who are southerners have heard all of our lives: The Confederacy was about state’s rights, they insist, or tariffs, or taxes, or an intrusive “central government.” That anyone could still believe such things is testament to the broken and utterly pathetic state of American education.

…But now, and let us be clear on this point: it is time for the rest of us to finish that war, once and for all. It is time to bury the Confederacy and everything for which it stood; to destroy for all time the white supremacist culture that Dylann Roof and his compatriots so cherish; and this time, completely and without pardon.

timwise.org

Chapter and verse of all the secession declarations. It’s long, but everything is there for anyone who wants to quote particular passages.

123 ObserverArt  Jun 21, 2015 3:45:00pm

And be sure to get your THE “NO WHITE GUILT” WRISTBANDs at the Ohio CofCC site!

I did not realize the way they tie White Supremacy in with a Celtic background. This stuff runs deep. And people wonder where a Roof type learned this crap. Uggh. Sickening.

124 b.d.  Jun 21, 2015 3:45:52pm

re: #118 Belafon

I’m pretty sure Robin Williams would have noticed that Bush and Clinton never ran against each other. And just ignore the black president.

Bush and Clinton never ran against each other?

125 unproven innocence  Jun 21, 2015 3:45:59pm

re: #118 Belafon

I’m pretty sure Robin Williams would have noticed that Bush and Clinton never ran against each other. And just ignore the black president.

Clinton’s first run in ‘92 was against George H. W. Bush.
en.wikipedia.org

126 Belafon  Jun 21, 2015 3:46:33pm

re: #124 b.d.

re: #125 unproven innocence

Clinton’s first run in ‘92 was against George H. W. Bush.
en.wikipedia.org

Yep, I blew it.

127 The Vicious Babushka  Jun 21, 2015 3:47:44pm

#Tcot is just full of HURR HURR TEH DEMOCRATS WAS TEH RACIST 100 YEARS AGO!!!!!!

128 b.d.  Jun 21, 2015 3:47:59pm

re: #126 Belafon

Yep, I blew it.

heh, i wonder if Trump will play the Perot role once he realizes that the GOP won’t let him play in their yard?

129 Targetpractice  Jun 21, 2015 3:48:39pm

re: #113 Shiplord Kirel

Just dishonest, a garden variety right wing lie. although “representation in the government” is a new one on me. I am used to the idea of “a tariff” being responsible since this was taught in the revisionist propaganda that passed for history in the public schools of Texas when I was young. They never could explain when this tariff was proposed, what the enabling legislation was called, what the provisions were, or what the south found so objectionable, but “a tariff” was declared by the teachers and coaches to be the cause, and so it was.
None of the secession ordinances mention a tariff at all. All but South Carolina’s include eloquent defenses of slavery however. That of Texas goes on for two (of its 3) paragraphs about the institution and the need to protect it.

The tariff business refers to the Morrill Tariff of 1861, which was indeed a subject of hatred…in South Carolina and Georgia. The other states made no mention of it, even when they went to long lengths to explain why the continuation of slavery was important to their states. And the tariff was indeed talked about in a prominent political speech in Georgia…as a tool of abolitionists.

130 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing  Jun 21, 2015 3:48:50pm

re: #126 Belafon

Yep, I blew it.

I hear there are mojitos over in the corner.

131 Belafon  Jun 21, 2015 3:49:02pm

re: #122 BeachDem

Heritage of Hate: Dylann Roof, White Supremacy and the Truth About the Confederacy

…they insist that the flag and more broadly the Confederacy itself was not about racism. Indeed, they insist the flag is about “heritage, not hate.” It’s an old canard and one that we who are southerners have heard all of our lives: The Confederacy was about state’s rights, they insist, or tariffs, or taxes, or an intrusive “central government.” That anyone could still believe such things is testament to the broken and utterly pathetic state of American education.

…But now, and let us be clear on this point: it is time for the rest of us to finish that war, once and for all. It is time to bury the Confederacy and everything for which it stood; to destroy for all time the white supremacist culture that Dylann Roof and his compatriots so cherish; and this time, completely and without pardon.

timwise.org

Chapter and verse of all the secession declarations. It’s long, but everything is there for anyone who wants to quote particular passages.

I’ve had some fights recently over what is racist and what isn’t, but this morning, after Charleston, my mom decided that it’s time to get rid of the Confederate flag. “I used to think it was about heritage, but it’s not.” Don’t know if something was said at her church or not, and I don’t care, but she’s changed on this.

133 Shiplord Kirel  Jun 21, 2015 3:51:59pm

A little comic relief to help me and possibly others cool off from the day’s examination of wingnut duplicity and ignorance.

New Age Bullshit Generator
This is pretty good:

Potential is a constant.

Nothing is impossible. Life-force requires exploration.
We grow, we self-actualize, we are reborn.
Our conversations with other storytellers have led to a summoning of hyper-divine consciousness. We are at a crossroads of rebirth and bondage. Throughout history, humans have been interacting with the quantum matrix via electromagnetic forces.
To follow the story is to become one with it. Life-force is the healing of presence, and of us. This life is nothing short of an evolving paradigm shift of psychic curiosity

You and I are dreamers of the dreamscape.
We self-actualize, we exist, we are reborn. We exist as sonar energy.

Sonar?

134 stpaulbear  Jun 21, 2015 3:53:59pm

re: #133 Shiplord Kirel

It looks like the stuff that comes up if you goggle ‘depression’.

135 goddamnedfrank  Jun 21, 2015 3:55:06pm
Charleston church gunman Dylann Roof ‘tried to kill himself but ran out bullets’

A weird addition to this story. Glock slides hold open after the last shot, like most modern semi automatics it’s obvious when they’re empty.

136 makeitstop  Jun 21, 2015 3:55:09pm

…and all of a sudden it’s raining like a bastard here on LI.

The wife and I are sitting on the (covered) deck, catching some nice breezes and watching our foliage being nicely watered.

Nice way to end a weekend.

137 Charles Johnson  Jun 21, 2015 3:55:43pm

A fun announcement! I’ll be co-hosting the Bob Cesca podcast this coming Thursday, as Chez Pazienza will be out of town.

138 allegro  Jun 21, 2015 3:56:48pm

re: #126 Belafon

Yep, I blew it.

Have a Mohito! (making room in the corner)

139 ObserverArt  Jun 21, 2015 3:57:20pm

Imma getting closer to how and why I remember Kyle Rogers face. Found out Ohio CofCC has a YouTube channel. This video was up there. I think many Lizards will remember this guy! Good ol’ Matt Heimbach.

I am now convinced that something from here at LGF about Matt lead me to something about Kyle and that is why I remember his face. A little more digging and I might find the actual connection.

But I think I am going to go back to some more wood stain. I can use the smell from the oil-based stain to clear my head from these bozos. /

…

140 makeitstop  Jun 21, 2015 4:02:20pm

re: #128 b.d.

heh, i wonder if Trump will play the Perot role once he realizes that the GOP won’t let him play in their yard?

I think by that point, he’ll probably have lost interest.

141 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Jun 21, 2015 4:02:20pm

I see a difference between individual motivations for supporting the Confederate cause, namely a sicere but misguided conviction that these people were defending their homes, and the cynical, manipulative politicians who sent them off to die.

Which is why I do not automatically object to the private display of a Confederate flag but do not think that it should be displayed by any governmental body outside a museum.

142 JadeHelmCurious  Jun 21, 2015 4:03:21pm

re: #137 Charles Johnson

A fun announcement! I’ll be co-hosting the Bob Cesca podcast this coming Thursday, as Chez Pazienza will be out of town.

Great!

143 Shiplord Kirel  Jun 21, 2015 4:03:51pm

re: #129 Targetpractice

The tariff business refers to the Morrill Tariff of 1861, which was indeed a subject of hatred…in South Carolina and Georgia. The other states made no mention of it, even when they went to long lengths to explain why the continuation of slavery was important to their states. And the tariff was indeed talked about in a prominent political speech in Georgia…as a tool of abolitionists.

Preemptive rejection I guess. Seven states, including Georgia and South Carolina had already seceded by the time the Morrill Tariff passed the Senate.
Their 14 Senators could well have defeated the tariff is they hadn’t withdrawn upon secession (vote was 25-14 in favor).

144 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 21, 2015 4:06:09pm

I’m seeing several tweets saying that Chuck Todd is blocking people who are calling him out on twitter.

145 JadeHelmCurious  Jun 21, 2015 4:06:55pm

re: #132 The Vicious Babushka

Excellent work.

146 Jenner7  Jun 21, 2015 4:07:49pm
147 CuriousLurker  Jun 21, 2015 4:08:39pm

Revisiting the false equivalence I posted about earlier where Larry Elder basically tried to make group blame of Muslims for terrorism equal to group blame of Confederate flag supporters for racism, I suggest this thought experiment:

A Muslim organization, mosque, whatever moves into a new building and hoists the black jihadi flag. What do you suppose the reaction would be?


BTW, just in case anyone tells you differently, the original black flag/banner/standard was used by Prophet Muhammad for identification purposes during battle and was either solid black or white (with no markings or writing):

Islamic flags: Early history

The early Muslim community did not use any designs or geometric shapes as symbols on their flags. During the time of the Islamic prophet, Muhammad, Muslim armies and caravans flew simple solid-coloured flags (generally black or white) for identification purposes. In later generations, the Muslim leaders continued to use a simple black, white, or green flag with no markings, writings, or symbolism on it. […]

Also see: Black Standard

The claim that today’s black jihadi flags were originally flown by Muhammad is incorrect—either due to ignorance or by design. The jihadis basically appropriated the flag and added the shahadah in an attempt to legitimize themselves. For example Daesh:

Black Standard: Jihadist black flag

Some variant designs depict the second phrase of the shahada in the form of the historical seal of Muhammad. […]

The seal they’re referring to is the white circle with black text underneath the white text on the black background.

148 makeitstop  Jun 21, 2015 4:08:45pm

re: #144 Backwoods_Sleuth

I’m seeing several tweets saying that Chuck Todd is blocking people who are calling him out on twitter.

Onion skin.

Is it me, or are there a lot more people who are engaged and calling out the PTB than in the past?

Reading Belafon’s post about his mom, I’m hoping there’s a sea change afoot. Sure seems like people have been slapped awake.

149 BeachDem  Jun 21, 2015 4:09:14pm

re: #131 Belafon

I’ve had some fights recently over what is racist and what isn’t, but this morning, after Charleston, my mom decided that it’s time to get rid of the Confederate flag. “I used to think it was about heritage, but it’s not.” Don’t know if something was said at her church or not, and I don’t care, but she’s changed on this.

One person at a time. Congrats on your mom!

That Tim Wise essay ends with this:

We who are white must end white supremacy by our actions of solidarity with our black and brown brothers and sisters, and on behalf of racial equity; by our refusal to remain silent, to collaborate, to put up with the racism of our friends, family or colleagues for even one more second.

We must end white supremacy by showing up to insist that Black Lives Matter, not merely as an aspirational slogan but a moral principle, and that we who are white will defend that principle and the principle of multiracial democracy with our voices, our money, our bodies and even our lives if need be.

The next Reconstruction must be permanent.

150 b.d.  Jun 21, 2015 4:10:25pm

re: #144 Backwoods_Sleuth

I’m seeing several tweets saying that Chuck Todd is blocking people who are calling him out on twitter.

[chuck todd] Why won’t Hillary face the press? But first, I have to block a bunch of Twitter folks. [/chuck todd]

151 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing  Jun 21, 2015 4:10:41pm

re: #131 Belafon

I’ve had some fights recently over what is racist and what isn’t, but this morning, after Charleston, my mom decided that it’s time to get rid of the Confederate flag. “I used to think it was about heritage, but it’s not.” Don’t know if something was said at her church or not, and I don’t care, but she’s changed on this.

Seconded what BeachDem said.

152 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 21, 2015 4:12:03pm
153 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing  Jun 21, 2015 4:12:36pm

re: #152 Backwoods_Sleuth

Good
154 Decatur Deb  Jun 21, 2015 4:14:17pm

re: #9 wrenchwench

Depends on your interpretations of ‘openly’, and ‘white supremacist’. I think Nikki Haley fills the bill, but with pre-installed deniability. So does Joe Arpaio.

re: #11 Eclectic Cyborg

I was thinking more unapologetic, out in the open white supremacy.

David Duke.

(Might be late to t. he p.[arty.)

155 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 21, 2015 4:14:52pm
156 allegro  Jun 21, 2015 4:15:50pm

re: #154 Decatur Deb

David Duke.

(Might be late to t. he p.[arty.)

Over here! We’re in the corner!

157 makeitstop  Jun 21, 2015 4:16:11pm

re: #155 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Sounds kinda like a threat, doesn’t it?

158 BeachDem  Jun 21, 2015 4:16:50pm

re: #154 Decatur Deb

David Duke.

(Might be late to t. he p.[arty.)

Tim Wise, whose essay I’ve been quoting upthread:

After graduation, he threw himself into social justice efforts full-time, as a Youth Coordinator and Associate Director of the Louisiana Coalition Against Racism and Nazism: the largest of the many groups organized in the early 1990s to defeat the political candidacies of white supremacist and former Ku Klux Klan leader David Duke.

timwise.org

159 allegro  Jun 21, 2015 4:17:23pm

re: #155 Backwoods_Sleuth

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No threats there. No sirree.

160 team_fukit  Jun 21, 2015 4:17:36pm

I don’t understand why the describing the origins of the Civil War has to be so monocausal. The Confederacy was what Ira Berlin would call “a slave society,” literally every economic, political, and social issue was tied to slavery and its perpetuation. Eric Foner has pointed out that if you combined the total of every other monetary asset in the ante-Bellum South (property, banks, etc.), it would not exceed the total monetary value of the slave complex.

It was about state’s rights… to own slaves.
It was about taxes… to increase the monetary value of slaves.
It was about honor… to consider white selves to be better than slaves.

And most of the poor men who fought were actually shamed into fighting it by the hyperbole of the wealthy, who inspired local social groups to ostracize men who did not fight.

161 HappyWarrior  Jun 21, 2015 4:17:36pm

re: #155 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Legitimate grievances my ass. There’s nothing legitimate about bitching about interracial dating and any of the other shit Roof was whining about.

162 BeachDem  Jun 21, 2015 4:18:19pm

re: #155 Backwoods_Sleuth

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We’re so sorry about those dead people, BUT…

Spit.

163 HappyWarrior  Jun 21, 2015 4:18:30pm

re: #160 team_fukit

I don’t understand why the describing the origins of the Civil War has to be so monocausal. The Confederacy was what Ira Berlin would call “a slave society,” literally every economic, political, and social issue was tied to slavery and it perpetuation. Eric Foner has pointed out that if you combined the total of every other monetary asset in the ante-Bellum South (property, banks, etc.), it would not exceed the total monetary value of the slave complex.

It was about state’s rights… to own slaves.
It was about taxes… to increase the monetary value of slaves.
It was about honor… to consider white selves to be better than slaves.

And most of the poor men who fought were actually shamed into fighting it by the hyperbole of the wealthy, who inspired local social groups to ostracize men who did not fight.

One of the best posts I’ve seen about the cowards that led the Confederate government and Secession movement. Very well said.

164 HappyWarrior  Jun 21, 2015 4:18:53pm

re: #162 BeachDem

We’re so sorry about those dead people, BUT…

Spit.

We’re so sorry about the dead people but race mixing is still bad m’kay.//

165 nearly-headless smith25  Jun 21, 2015 4:22:11pm

re: #143 Shiplord Kirel

Preemptive rejection I guess. Seven states, including Georgia and South Carolina had already seceded by the time the Morrill Tariff passed the Senate.
Their 14 Senators could well have defeated the tariff is they hadn’t withdrawn upon secession (vote was 25-14 in favor).

Everything I ever learned about the Morrill Tariff was that secession caused its passage. I think the chair of the committee lost majority status when the seceding states Senators withdrew, and he lost the ability to stall the Tariff in committee.

166 Belafon  Jun 21, 2015 4:22:15pm

re: #155 Backwoods_Sleuth

“If people would only address our white-supremacist views in a way we find acceptable!”

167 HappyWarrior  Jun 21, 2015 4:22:41pm

I mean is it any wonder why we got people freaking out over legalized same sex marriage when we got many on the right who are still upset about the Loving decision? Kind of like how we’re sort of shocked that they don’t accept Roe but then when we really look at it, we see that they don’t accept Griswold either.

168 HappyWarrior  Jun 21, 2015 4:22:59pm

re: #166 Belafon

“If people would only address our white-supremacist views in a way we find acceptable!”

Dylann Roof should have been given a show on Fox News.//

169 CuriousLurker  Jun 21, 2015 4:23:48pm

re: #155 Backwoods_Sleuth

They sound just like jihadi terrorist apologists. I’m not trying to make this all about Muslims, it’s about hateful extremists willing to commit violence against innocents to grab power. As I’ve said before, these RWNJs are our ISIS.

170 Eric The Fruit Bat  Jun 21, 2015 4:24:10pm

re: #137 Charles Johnson

Go in with rapier wit and derp destruction at full power!

171 CuriousLurker  Jun 21, 2015 4:25:11pm

re: #169 CuriousLurker

And on that note, I’m gonna go find something else to do for a while.

BBL

172 HappyWarrior  Jun 21, 2015 4:25:18pm

re: #169 CuriousLurker

They sound just like jihadi terrorist apologists. I’m not trying to make this all about Muslims, it’s about hateful extremists willing to commit violence against innocents to grab power. As I’ve said before, these RWNJs are our ISIS.

I seriously worry far more about domestic right wing terrorists than ISIS. Why? Because American gun dealers will be happy to provide these assholes with all the firepower they wan and there is a a large enough part of the population that accepts far right wing bullshti than Islamist ideology.Kind of like how I worry more about Biblical law than Shariah.

173 HappyWarrior  Jun 21, 2015 4:35:24pm

So I see on Facebook that Tucker Carlson is actually making the “argument” that Obama’s Secret Service should lose their guns if Obama wants gun control. Yes, people this is how conservatives argue gun control, like children. Tucker deep down knows that we need to have a sensible conversation on gun control but he kneejerks because it’s right wing dogma to defend the guns at all costs.

174 Eric The Fruit Bat  Jun 21, 2015 4:39:09pm

re: #149 BeachDem

Time to use #FinalReconstruction or #TrueReconstruction as a new hashtag.

175 stpaulbear  Jun 21, 2015 4:39:26pm

re: #173 HappyWarrior

So I see on Facebook that Tucker Carlson is actually making the “argument” that Obama’s Secret Service should lose their guns if Obama wants gun control. Yes, people this is how conservatives argue gun control like children. Tucker deep down knows that we need to have a sensible conversation on gun control but he kneejerks because it’s right wing dogma to defend the guns at all costs.

I’d bet that part of the job description for Tucker’s chauffeur is that he have a licence to carry and must be carrying whenever he’s in Tucker’s service.

176 Belafon  Jun 21, 2015 4:40:37pm

Is there a good (as simple as possible) read for the sequence of events that led to the Civil War? It would be OK if it started after the War of 1812, because the fact that we had slaves and the 3/5ths rule putting slavery in the constitution are fairly obvious. I Think I know most of the stuff and then people bring up things like the Morrill Tariff.

177 The Vicious Babushka  Jun 21, 2015 4:40:54pm

Grant & Sherman went there, did that.

178 Eric The Fruit Bat  Jun 21, 2015 4:40:59pm

re: #172 HappyWarrior

whever these RWNJ’s spew forth just reply back they’re AmericanTaliban-their heads explode.

179 Belafon  Jun 21, 2015 4:41:22pm

re: #175 stpaulbear

I’d bet that part of the job description for Tucker’s chauffeur is that he have a licence to carry and must be carrying whenever he’s in Tucker’s service.

And that there’s a second person in the car to keep the first person from shooting Tucker.

180 ObserverArt  Jun 21, 2015 4:42:18pm

Tucker Carlson IS White privilege.

And besides…he sucks dried goat pellets.

181 b.d.  Jun 21, 2015 4:43:01pm

re: #173 HappyWarrior

So I see on Facebook that Tucker Carlson is actually making the “argument” that Obama’s Secret Service should lose their guns if Obama wants gun control. Yes, people this is how conservatives argue gun control, like children. Tucker deep down knows that we need to have a sensible conversation on gun control but he kneejerks because it’s right wing dogma to defend the guns at all costs.

Tucker has been fired from every other news organization in the country so now he has to pander to the idiots and even they ain’t buying it.

182 Belafon  Jun 21, 2015 4:43:44pm

re: #177 The Vicious Babushka

Mina’s a Confederate, not an American.

183 allegro  Jun 21, 2015 4:43:47pm

re: #177 The Vicious Babushka

Grant & Sherman went there, did that.

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Their peaceful intentions in their honor of their heritage just warms my heart.

184 The Vicious Babushka  Jun 21, 2015 4:43:55pm

re: #173 HappyWarrior

So I see on Facebook that Tucker Carlson is actually making the “argument” that Obama’s Secret Service should lose their guns if Obama wants gun control. Yes, people this is how conservatives argue gun control, like children. Tucker deep down knows that we need to have a sensible conversation on gun control but he kneejerks because it’s right wing dogma to defend the guns at all costs.

185 Decatur Deb  Jun 21, 2015 4:44:31pm

re: #160 team_fukit

I don’t understand why the describing the origins of the Civil War has to be so monocausal. The Confederacy was what Ira Berlin would call “a slave society,” literally every economic, political, and social issue was tied to slavery and its perpetuation. Eric Foner has pointed out that if you combined the total of every other monetary asset in the ante-Bellum South (property, banks, etc.), it would not exceed the total monetary value of the slave complex.

It was about state’s rights… to own slaves.
It was about taxes… to increase the monetary value of slaves.
It was about honor… to consider white selves to be better than slaves.

And most of the poor men who fought were actually shamed into fighting it by the hyperbole of the wealthy, who inspired local social groups to ostracize men who did not fight.

They soon got beyond shaming, into conscription and hanging for desertion, as was the case with this too-tall Methodist preacher from a nearby town:

mysteriousbritain.co.uk

186 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 21, 2015 4:45:27pm
187 b.d.  Jun 21, 2015 4:45:38pm

OBAMA SHOULD BE LIKE CHENEY AND CARRY HIS OWN WEAPON

Wait……

188 Eric The Fruit Bat  Jun 21, 2015 4:46:52pm

re: #182 Belafon

I introduced her to Marching to Gerogia.

189 Tigger2  Jun 21, 2015 4:49:10pm

re: #173 HappyWarrior

So I see on Facebook that Tucker Carlson is actually making the “argument” that Obama’s Secret Service should lose their guns if Obama wants gun control. Yes, people this is how conservatives argue gun control, like children. Tucker deep down knows that we need to have a sensible conversation on gun control but he kneejerks because it’s right wing dogma to defend the guns at all costs.

Tucker has never been a deep thinker.

190 The Vicious Babushka  Jun 21, 2015 4:49:25pm

So, denial of reality is a “Southern” Thing?

191 William Lewis  Jun 21, 2015 4:50:17pm

re: #188 Eric The Fruit Bat

I introduced her to Marching to Gerogia.

If I hadn’t gotten rid of twitter, I’d have said “We did it once. We can do it again, child. Signed: US Army NCO”

192 HappyWarrior  Jun 21, 2015 4:51:00pm

re: #190 The Vicious Babushka

So, denial of reality is a “Southern” Thing?

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Yeah I guess it is a Southern thing that you’re not over losing a war that ended while your great great grandparents were alive. Really, I’m proud to be a Virginian. I’m proud of my state’s role in producing Washington, Jefferson, Madison, Monroe, and countless other leaders but one thing I am not proud of is our role in secession and a Civil War that ruined so many lives.

193 HappyWarrior  Jun 21, 2015 4:52:36pm

pa-roots.com
My G-G- Grandpa’s unit. He died over a century before I was born but he was a hero and despite not being born in this country a far greater patriot than those assholes that seceded because they couldn’t accept Abraham Lincoln as our president.

194 Decatur Deb  Jun 21, 2015 4:53:58pm

re: #192 HappyWarrior

Yeah I guess it is a Southern thing that you’re not over losing a war that ended while your great great grandparents were alive. Really, I’m proud to be a Virginian. I’m proud of my state’s role in producing Washington, Jefferson, Madison, Monroe, and countless other leaders but one thing I am not proud of is our role in secession and a Civil War that ruined so many lives.

If Obama had a sense of humour, he’d send a USNS ship to resupply Ft Sumter.

195 HappyWarrior  Jun 21, 2015 4:54:28pm

re: #194 Decatur Deb

If Obama had a sense of humour, he’d send a USNS ship to resupply Ft Sumter.

Heh.

196 The Vicious Babushka  Jun 21, 2015 4:55:31pm

That “Marching Through Georgia” is a catchy tune.

197 jaunte  Jun 21, 2015 4:56:08pm

re: #190 The Vicious Babushka

Proud ignorance: Not exclusively Southern, but widely celebrated in the South.

198 HappyWarrior  Jun 21, 2015 4:56:29pm

I wonder what about the CSA was so great to them? Tell me Confederate lovers. Was it the Neo-feudalist society where rich planters sent poor boys to die for their cause? Was it that your economy depended entirely on forced human chattel? Was it that Jefferson Davis and Richmond thought they had a Constiutional right to secede from the Union but put down any secession within the Confederacy? Or maybe it was the system of white supremacy.

199 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 21, 2015 4:57:58pm

In Vanceburg, KY, you will find the only union monument south of the Mason-Dixon line raised by public subscription.
Built in 1884, it still stands on the courthouse lawn with the inscription “The war for the Union was right, everlastingly right, and the war against the Union was wrong, forever wrong.”

union monument
200 allegro  Jun 21, 2015 4:58:16pm

re: #198 HappyWarrior

I think it was Gone With the Wind and its romanticizing the south. I’m not even kidding.

201 The Vicious Babushka  Jun 21, 2015 4:59:59pm
202 HappyWarrior  Jun 21, 2015 5:00:05pm

re: #200 allegro

I think it was Gone With the Wind and its romanticizing the south. I’m not even kidding.

I think that and the Lost Cause literature(of which GWTW qualifies as) and rhetoric that dominated the South for many years. It convinced Southerners that not only was the CSA a righteous cause but it was one that God almighty would have approved of and that the South’s military leaders like Lee and Jackson were near saints and the North’s military leaders like Grant and Sherman were devils.

203 Feline Fearless Leader  Jun 21, 2015 5:00:19pm

re: #200 allegro

I think it was Gone With the Wind and its romanticizing the south. I’m not even kidding.

A lot of people were stuck wearing homespun in order for Scarlett to be able to wear silk.

204 jaunte  Jun 21, 2015 5:01:39pm
205 HappyWarrior  Jun 21, 2015 5:02:46pm

re: #199 Backwoods_Sleuth

In Vanceburg, KY, you will find the only union monument south of the Mason-Dixon line raised by public subscription.
Built in 1884, it still stands on the courthouse lawn with the inscription “The war for the Union was right, everlastingly right, and the war against the Union was wrong, forever wrong.”

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Southern unionists don’t get much love in history. I know Kentucky stayed with the Union anyhow. What I think a lot of people don’t know is every state of the Union including the hot beds of secession like South Carolina and Mississippi all had volunteers that volunteered for the Union. That shows to me that you can’t just brush it off as a regional thing when there were people 150 years ago who realized that slavery wasn’t worth destroying the country over.

206 Tigger2  Jun 21, 2015 5:03:24pm

re: #198 HappyWarrior

I wonder what about the CSA was so great to them? Tell me Confederate lovers. Was it the Neo-feudalist society where rich planters sent poor boys to die for their cause? Was it that your economy depended entirely on forced human chattel? Was it that Jefferson Davis and Richmond thought they had a Constiutional right to secede from the Union but put down any secession within the Confederacy? Or maybe it was the system of white supremacy.

Most of the South was very poor except for the few, much like it is today in our country. They don’t take that into account.

207 HappyWarrior  Jun 21, 2015 5:03:59pm

re: #204 jaunte

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Really look at photos of Southern capitols between say 1880-1950. Not really much of the CSA flag but the second the Civil Rights Movement started heating up. It made a big comeback. That’s no coincidence and that’s why guys like Walker, Bush, and the other Republicans are chickenshits when they hid “Well it’s a state thing.”

208 HappyWarrior  Jun 21, 2015 5:05:11pm

re: #206 Tigger2

Most of the South was very poor except for the few, much like it is today in our country. They don’t take that into account.

The Antebellum South was pretty much a feudal society. The real tragedy to me of the war are all the poor Southern whites who fought the cause of white aristocrats when they gained nothing for it.

209 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 21, 2015 5:05:54pm

re: #205 HappyWarrior

Southern unionists don’t get much love in history. I know Kentucky stayed with the Union anyhow. What I think a lot of people don’t know is every state of the Union including the hot beds of secession like South Carolina and Mississippi all had volunteers that volunteered for the Union. That shows to me that you can’t just brush it off as a regional thing when there were people 150 years ago who realized that slavery wasn’t worth destroying the country over.

On that monument are the names of 107 Lewis County men who died as Union soldiers.
Today, you can drive through Lewis County and see confederate flags flying.
Some people have no self-awareness or shame.

210 CuriousLurker  Jun 21, 2015 5:07:20pm

I’ve posted this report before in a Page, but I think now is a good time to repost it as it’s newly relevant in light of what happened in Charleston earlier this week. This was published in January 2013 (if you use an ad-blocker, turn it off or you won’t be able to see the link to the PDF):

Challengers from the Sidelines: Understanding America’s Violent Far-Right

This study provides a conceptual foundation for understanding different far-right groups and then presents the empirical analysis of violent incidents to identify those perpetrating attacks and their associated trends. Through a comprehensive look at the data, this study addresses three core questions:

(1) What are the main current characteristics of the violence produced by the far right?

(2) What type of far-right groups are more prone than others to engage in violence? How are characteristics of particular far-right groups correlated with their tendency to engage in violence?

(3) What are the social and political factors associated with the level of far-right violence? Are there political or social conditions that foster or discourage violence? […]

Here’s a direct link to the PDF if you don’t feel like following the link and reading the entire description of the report.

211 HappyWarrior  Jun 21, 2015 5:07:40pm

re: #209 Backwoods_Sleuth

On that monument are the names of 107 Lewis County men who died as Union soldiers.
Today, you can drive through Lewis County and see confederate flags flying.
Some people have no self-awareness or shame.

I’ve never been to your state but what the most fucked up thing for me is to drive up to Gettysburg or Sharpsburg (nearest town to where the Battle of Antietam was fought for you guys not aware) and see it surrounded by CSA flags. My favorite story of Gettysburg especially now knowing that I had a relative fight in the War of 1812 is reading about an old man of 70, John Burns who lived near Gettysburg and when the CSA invaded, he picked up his rifle and volunteered his services.

212 HappyWarrior  Jun 21, 2015 5:09:05pm

If you want proof that the CSA people were anything but patriots, all you need to know is Edmund Ruffin, the man who allegedly fired the first shot of the war killed himself not long after Lee’s surrender because he’d rather be dead than have allegiance to the United States of America.

213 HappyWarrior  Jun 21, 2015 5:09:31pm

en.wikipedia.org

214 The Vicious Babushka  Jun 21, 2015 5:09:34pm
215 Charles Johnson  Jun 21, 2015 5:10:16pm

The new homepage design is really getting close now. I may take the leash off and let this baby run free tomorrow. I’ve already got the code to redirect everything in our htaccess file.

littlegreenfootballs.com

216 bratwurst  Jun 21, 2015 5:11:38pm

I see in various places online that Bill Maher devoted part of his Ann Coulter show this week to the Seinfeld comments the right wing media had a joygasm over week before last. Maher agrees with Seinfeld that college audiences are “too PC” it seems.

I know for a fact that Maher and Seinfeld are both more than old enough to remember Steve Allen. In case you aren’t, he was the original Tonight Show host (and prolific author and composer) who devoted the last 40 years of his life to crusading against rock music and “lewdness” in media while wearing a ridiculous toupee.

Jerry, Bill…YOU’RE STEVE ALLEN NOW.

217 allegro  Jun 21, 2015 5:12:25pm

Think about it. As we see every single day the abject lack of history education, or perhaps retention, in this country where something like 1 out of 3 people can’t even name the current VP, least of all any relevant details of the 19th century. When many, especially in the south, reference the civil war it’s in terms of GWTW, the only “history” they know or recall. That’s how GOP assholes get a pass on how good slaves were treated and how much they loved their fine masters, how the war wasn’t treason but a righteous protection of a genteel way of life. People who actually know better are sucked in by the romance of the story as well, making GWTW the defacto history and reality to living generations.

End of rant. Going back to the corner now.

218 HappyWarrior  Jun 21, 2015 5:13:26pm

re: #216 bratwurst

I see in various places online that Bill Maher devoted part of his Ann Coulter show this week to the Seinfeld comments the right wing media had a joygasm over week before last. Maher agrees with Seinfeld that college audiences are “too PC” it seems.

I know for a fact that Maher and Seinfeld are both more than old enough to remember Steve Allen. In case you aren’t, he was the original Tonight Show host (and prolific author and composer) who devoted the last 40 years of his life to crusading against rock music and “lewdness” in media while wearing a ridiculous toupee.

Jerry, Bill…YOU’RE STEVE ALLEN NOW.

I think it’s pure bitterness on Jerry’s part. Louis C.K is huge with college audiences. I don’t dislike jerry’s comedy honestly but he came off awfully bitter to me. And sometimes “PC” is just common decency.

219 #FergusonFireside  Jun 21, 2015 5:14:49pm

re: #173 HappyWarrior

So I see on Facebook that Tucker Carlson is actually making the “argument” that Obama’s Secret Service should lose their guns if Obama wants gun control. Yes, people this is how conservatives argue gun control, like children. Tucker deep down knows that we need to have a sensible conversation on gun control but he kneejerks because it’s right wing dogma to defend the guns at all costs.

The right wing signs his checks.

220 Charles Johnson  Jun 21, 2015 5:14:57pm

True Detective Season 2 begins tonight. Looking forward to this. I hope it measures up to the first season.

221 Feline Fearless Leader  Jun 21, 2015 5:15:39pm

re: #211 HappyWarrior

I’ve never been to your state but what the most fucked up thing for me is to drive up to Gettysburg or Sharpsburg (nearest town to where the Battle of Antietam was fought for you guys not aware) and see it surrounded by CSA flags. My favorite story of Gettysburg especially now knowing that I had a relative fight in the War of 1812 is reading about an old man of 70, John Burns who lived near Gettysburg and when the CSA invaded, he picked up his rifle and volunteered his services.

I thinks it’s a combination of a few factors:
1) Romanticization of the South via media and the history books. Lee and Jackson as ill-fated heroes fighting for a honor-driven lost cause. Sherman and Grant portrayed as barbaric butchers and house-burners.

2) A misunderstood taking of the CSA battle flag as *the* symbol for being an anti-authority or anti-government “rebel” just wanting to be left alone. Dukes of Hazzard and all that.

3) Using #2 as cover to fly at as a racist asshole. Those areas you mention are rural and generally conservative. And if you look at the demographics the areas are also heavily white. (Sharpsburg, MD for instance is 96% white occupants, though the county (Washington) is only 85%.)

It’s more complex than that of course.

222 HappyWarrior  Jun 21, 2015 5:17:05pm

re: #220 Charles Johnson

True Detective Season 2 begins tonight. Looking forward to this. I hope it measures up to the first season.

Me too. I rewatched the first season over the past week. I am cautiously optimistic about it matching the first season since Harrelson and McConnaughey have a natural chemistry together already being friends but that said, I look forward to it.

223 HappyWarrior  Jun 21, 2015 5:17:43pm

re: #221 Feline Fearless Leader

I thinks it’s a combination of a few factors:
1) Romanticization of the South via media and the history books. Lee and Jackson as ill-fated heroes fighting for a honor-driven lost cause. Sherman and Grant portrayed as barbaric butchers and house-burners.

2) A misunderstood taking of the CSA battle flag as *the* symbol for being an anti-authority or anti-government “rebel” just wanting to be left alone. Dukes of Hazzard and all that.

3) Using #2 as cover to fly at as a racist asshole. Those areas you mention are rural and generally conservative. And if you look at the demographics the areas are also heavily white. (Sharpsburg, MD for instance is 96% white occupants, though the county (Washington) is only 85%.)

It’s more complex than that of course.

These are all good points.

224 The Vicious Babushka  Jun 21, 2015 5:18:44pm

I guess there are not enough Black people in Ukraine to blame things on.

225 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 21, 2015 5:20:30pm
226 JadeHelmCurious  Jun 21, 2015 5:20:34pm

re: #220 Charles Johnson

True Detective Season 2 begins tonight. Looking forward to this. I hope it measures up to the first season.

I can’t wait. Almost 4 hrs for me, will have to stay off the computer.

227 #FergusonFireside  Jun 21, 2015 5:23:08pm

re: #183 allegro

Forgot to ask, did my Dad’s pizza recipe succeed for you?

228 Feline Fearless Leader  Jun 21, 2015 5:24:12pm

re: #223 HappyWarrior

These are all good points.

More along these lines and to look how the movies portray the boys in blue:

50s-60s: John Wayne leading the cavalry against the Indians. Some good officers in blue, some bad.

70s: Things start to turn. Led by a nut in “Little Big Man”. Bad guys in “The Outlaw Josey Wales”.*

And that trend sort of culminates in “Dances With Wolves” which really has nothing much nice to say about the Army, either officers or enlisted.

Running about a decade behind this is the trend to treat sports officiating as corrupt and subject to being bought or being outright prejudiced against the movie’s heroes. (My pet comparison for this is the two versions of “The Longest Yard”.)

229 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 21, 2015 5:25:13pm
230 jaunte  Jun 21, 2015 5:25:38pm
231 Charles Johnson  Jun 21, 2015 5:26:43pm
232 Eric The Fruit Bat  Jun 21, 2015 5:26:53pm

re: #177 The Vicious Babushka

I dropped Sherman on her-she replied back: “and?”

Maybe I ought to drop Rove’s comment on her.

233 allegro  Jun 21, 2015 5:27:02pm

re: #227 #FergusonFireside

Forgot to ask, did my Dad’s pizza recipe succeed for you?

Haven’t tried it yet. It’s gonna be a while before it’s cool enough to use the oven again. I’ll let ya know!

234 The Vicious Babushka  Jun 21, 2015 5:27:59pm
235 Nyet  Jun 21, 2015 5:28:42pm

re: #224 The Vicious Babushka

It is especially ironic given that various “rebels” accuse him of being Jewish.

236 Romantic Heretic  Jun 21, 2015 5:28:43pm

re: #117 Targetpractice

It’s bullshit, the states that seceded laid out their reasons for doing so. And they all made it clear that they feared emancipation of their slaves and the loss of tens of millions of dollars in “property.” They seceded because the North was slowly tightening the noose on slavery, such as barring slave owners from bringing their slaves with them when traveling north and refusing to enforce the Fugitive Slave Act.

The North’s attitude about the Fugitive Slave act was the last time the South was not in favour of State’s Rights.

237 jaunte  Jun 21, 2015 5:29:37pm

re: #236 Romantic Heretic

The North’s attitude about the Fugitive Slave act was the last time the South was not in favour of State’s Rights.

238 HappyWarrior  Jun 21, 2015 5:29:46pm

re: #234 The Vicious Babushka

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Thinking about that. Glory is my favorite Civil War film ever. Not a big Matthew Broderick fan but he was great and believable as Colonel Shaw who by the way shares his name with a Metro stop in D.C near Howard University.

239 HappyWarrior  Jun 21, 2015 5:30:26pm

re: #237 jaunte

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They didn’t too highly on secession either. I think DD has talked about the unionist element in Northern Alabama before.

240 goddamnedfrank  Jun 21, 2015 5:30:43pm

re: #222 HappyWarrior

Me too. I rewatched the first season over the past week. I am cautiously optimistic about it matching the first season since Harrelson and McConnaughey have a natural chemistry together already being friends but that said, I look forward to it.

Neither Harrelson nor McConaughey are in Season 2. It’s Colin Farrel, Vince Vaughn and Rachel McAdams.

241 CuriousLurker  Jun 21, 2015 5:30:49pm

re: #217 allegro

Sorry to keep harping on this point, but that’s the exact same thing the jihadis do—they romanticize & idealize the early days of Islam and recruit online. Here’s the final paragraph of the SPLC’s profile of Tom Metzger, the neo-Nazi who founded White Aryan Resistance. Emphasis mine:

Now an atheist, Metzger maintains that, in addition to being pro-labor, he is pro-environment and anti-capitalist. Since his civil trial loss in Portland, he has been advocating that white supremacists adopt a “lone wolf” or “leaderless resistance” strategy — that is, that they engage in criminal actions only individually or in small cells to avoid detection by law enforcement. “Membership organizations are fraught with leaks and agents,” Metzger explains on his website. “Each WAR associate serves the idea that what’s good for the White European Race is the highest virtue. Whatever is bad for the White European Race is the ultimate Evil.”

splcenter.org

So, the lone wolf crap, just like the jihadis (who they undoubtedly learned from). It gives them some room to claim deniability.

This isn’t “just politics” anymore—they’re playing for keeps.

242 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 21, 2015 5:31:36pm

The Pope is on a roll today:

243 Amory Blaine  Jun 21, 2015 5:31:41pm

Whenever a RWNJ starts telling me he wants a border fence I tell him I want a border fence too. On the Mason Dixon line.

244 William Lewis  Jun 21, 2015 5:31:48pm

re: #228 Feline Fearless Leader

More along these lines and to look how the movies portray the boys in blue:

50s-60s: John Wayne leading the cavalry against the Indians. Some good officers in blue, some bad.

70s: Things start to turn. Led by a nut in “Little Big Man”. Bad guys in “The Outlaw Josey Wales”.*

And that trend sort of culminates in “Dances With Wolves” which really has nothing much nice to say about the Army, either officers or enlisted.

Running about a decade behind this is the trend to treat sports officiating as corrupt and subject to being bought or being outright prejudiced against the movie’s heroes. (My pet comparison for this is the two versions of “The Longest Yard”.)

Never forget that Outlaw Josey Wales was written by a white supremacist and confederate sympathizer. en.wikipedia.org

245 Nyet  Jun 21, 2015 5:31:55pm

re: #241 CuriousLurker

Now an atheist, Metzger maintains that, in addition to being pro-labor, he is pro-environment and anti-capitalist.

Obviously a liberal. /

246 CuriousLurker  Jun 21, 2015 5:32:00pm

re: #224 The Vicious Babushka

I guess there are not enough Black people in Ukraine to blame things on.

[Embedded content]

Well, yeah—y’all created ISIS, so why not? //

247 HappyWarrior  Jun 21, 2015 5:32:45pm

re: #244 William Lewis

Never forget that Outlaw Josey Wales was written by a white supremacist and confederate sympathizer. en.wikipedia.org

Yep the guy who wrote Wallace’s infamous line about segregation.

248 #FergusonFireside  Jun 21, 2015 5:32:59pm

re: #233 allegro

Haven’t tried it yet. It’s gonna be a while before it’s cool enough to use the oven again. I’ll let ya know!

Gotcha!!

249 CuriousLurker  Jun 21, 2015 5:33:49pm

re: #242 Backwoods_Sleuth

The Pope is on a roll today:

[Embedded content]

Oh crap! LOLOLOL

250 Nyet  Jun 21, 2015 5:34:06pm

re: #242 Backwoods_Sleuth

As usual with Francis, it’s a mix. Take this, for example: “At a rally after his visit to the Shroud of Turin…”.

251 Tigger2  Jun 21, 2015 5:34:17pm

re: #234 The Vicious Babushka

[Embedded content]

What’s is depicted in that pic is the thing the people in the South feared the most.

252 HappyWarrior  Jun 21, 2015 5:34:18pm

i think Francis enjoys pissing them off.

253 CuriousLurker  Jun 21, 2015 5:34:26pm

re: #245 Nyet

Obviously a liberal. /

LOL, obviously.

254 Charles Johnson  Jun 21, 2015 5:34:44pm
255 Lidane  Jun 21, 2015 5:34:59pm

re: #242 Backwoods_Sleuth

Not Catholic anymore. Will never be again. I love watching this Pope absolutely, unapologetically piss American conservatives off.

The Pope is no liberal. He’s still the standard-bearer for the Church. Still, watching him rankle the GOP types when he says these things is great.

256 Nyet  Jun 21, 2015 5:36:48pm

re: #254 Charles Johnson

Stacy McCain is now mainstream GOP.

fairfaxunderground.com

257 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jun 21, 2015 5:37:11pm

re: #238 HappyWarrior

Thinking about that. Glory is my favorite Civil War film ever. Not a big Matthew Broderick fan but he was great and believable as Colonel Shaw who by the way shares his name with a Metro stop in D.C near Howard University.

Yeah, I’m really not a Broderick fan—I may have used the word “twerp” more than once to refer to him—but my main criticism at the time was unfounded. I always said that Shaw was a Back Bay Boston blueblood; why is Broderick affecting this godawful fake southern accent?

Then I realized that of course, as an aristocrat, that’s how Shaw would have talked, since up till the Civil War, Southern was the prestige dialect in this country. Boston Brahmins would in particular try to purge their dialect of any trace of sounding like some Down East clamdigger.

So I was wrong about his performance, which was my only criticism of Glory—a really tremendous film.

258 HappyWarrior  Jun 21, 2015 5:37:40pm

re: #251 Tigger2

That pic is the thing the people in the South feared the most.

That’s why they put any captured black soldier regardless of what his status was pre-war into slavery or executed him. The CSA’s treatment of African-American POWs is proof that they were not the chivalrous men of honor that their apologists make them out to be.

259 Nyet  Jun 21, 2015 5:37:48pm

re: #255 Lidane

Not Catholic anymore. Will never be again. I love watching this Pope absolutely, unapologetically piss American conservatives off.

The Pope is no liberal. He’s still the standard-bearer for the Church. Still, watching him rankle the GOP types when he says these things is great.

Yeah, something like that. I’ll criticize him mercilessly, but I like splodey heads.

260 Belafon  Jun 21, 2015 5:38:45pm

re: #256 Nyet

Stacy McCain is now mainstream GOP.

fairfaxunderground.com

Now they want fair faxes as well? When will it end?!

261 Lidane  Jun 21, 2015 5:39:31pm

re: #259 Nyet

Yeah, something like that. I’ll criticize him mercilessly, but I like splodey heads.

Same. There’s an absolute world of shit the Vatican needs to answer for, but watching conservatives lose their minds over this Pope is fun.

262 Feline Fearless Leader  Jun 21, 2015 5:39:47pm

Away from politics for a moment. Been scanning slides from 1973-74 today. Vacation and family stuff of varying quality, grandparent’s 50th wedding anniversary, the exchange student from Malaysia that stayed with us for a year*, etc.

Found a photo that I thought was a very nice abstract - below in color and b/w.

Autumn Leaves along the Grasse River in 1974

* - Met her again for the first time in 30+ years when visiting Malaysia in 2011.

263 HappyWarrior  Jun 21, 2015 5:39:59pm

re: #257 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

Yeah, I’m really not a Broderick fan—I may have used the word “twerp” more than once to refer to him—but my main criticism at the time was unfounded. I always said that Shaw was a Back Bay Boston blueblood; why is Broderick affecting this godawful fake southern accent?

Then I realized that of course, as an aristocrat, that’s how Shaw would have talked, since up till the Civil War, Southern was the prestige dialect in this country. Boston Brahmins would in particular try to purge their dialect of any trace of sounding like some Down East clamdigger.

So I was wrong about his performance, which was my only criticism of Glory—a really tremendous film.

Yeah good point. Film always makes me tear up during the Fort Wagner climax. Spectular performances all around from the whole cast I thought. Morgan Freeman, Andre Braughner, and Denzel Washington especially stood out to me. I haven’t watched it in a while but it really is a great film. I enjoyed Gettysburg and even the what many argue is pro Southern Gods and Generals but Glory was better than both.

264 Nyet  Jun 21, 2015 5:40:24pm

I dunno why a smart guy like Francis promotes the Shroud fake.

Officially the Church doesn’t have a stance on it. They don’t have to defend it. One can be an ultra-conservative Catholic and still reject it.

265 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jun 21, 2015 5:40:43pm

re: #251 Tigger2

What’s in that pic is the thing the people in the South feared the most.

Even Alec Stephens said “If black men can make good soldiers, then our whole theory is wrong.”

266 Romantic Heretic  Jun 21, 2015 5:40:51pm

re: #173 HappyWarrior

So I see on Facebook that Tucker Carlson is actually making the “argument” that Obama’s Secret Service should lose their guns if Obama wants gun control. Yes, people this is how conservatives argue gun control, like children. Tucker deep down knows that we need to have a sensible conversation on gun control but he kneejerks because it’s right wing dogma to defend the guns at all costs.

When I saw that earlier, Carlson saying the Secret Service should be disarmed, I thought, “You just want a clear shot at that back guy in the White House.”

267 bratwurst  Jun 21, 2015 5:41:10pm

Sorry if this has already been discussed elsewhere, been mostly working today…but is this for real?

Ugh…to answer my own question, it seems so:

Although…uh…the time stamps are bad. Maybe the screen cap and the apology are from different time zones?

268 HappyWarrior  Jun 21, 2015 5:41:48pm

re: #265 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

Even Alec Stephens said “If black men can make good soldiers, then our whole theory is wrong.”

Yep and that’s exactly what happened. A lot of Northerners were infuriated too when Lincoln decided to allow for black volunteers but it was a stroke of genius on his part.

269 Nyet  Jun 21, 2015 5:42:27pm

re: #267 bratwurst

Yeah, prev. thread.

She also wrote quite a bit of even more horrendous stuff in the past. Like, calling for destroying the whole Gaza.

270 Belafon  Jun 21, 2015 5:42:40pm

re: #267 bratwurst

Twitter adjusts its times to match the viewers time zone.

271 HappyWarrior  Jun 21, 2015 5:43:00pm

re: #267 bratwurst

Sorry if this has already been discussed elsewhere, been mostly working today…but is this for real?

[Embedded content]

Although…uh…the time stamps are bad. Maybe the screen cap and the apology are from different time zones?

I think it’s legit. Not sure though. But gosh can you imagine if the wife of one of Obama’s cabinet officials made a joke like that about Jews? As I’ve said, Bibi has shown no respect to Obama from Day 1. No shock to me if this is legit.

272 Decatur Deb  Jun 21, 2015 5:43:28pm

re: #237 jaunte

Confederate states did not have the right to ban slavery under the Confederate Constitution. States rights indeed.

Art VI:

3. This Constitution, and the laws of the Confederate States made in pursuance thereof, and all treaties made, or which shall be made, under the authority of the Confederate States, shall be the supreme law of the land; and the judges in every State shall be bound thereby, anything in the constitution or laws of any State to the contrary notwithstanding.

273 Nyet  Jun 21, 2015 5:43:30pm

re: #271 HappyWarrior

I think it’s legit.

It is.

274 Charles Johnson  Jun 21, 2015 5:44:17pm

re: #267 bratwurst

Sorry if this has already been discussed elsewhere, been mostly working today…but is this for real?

[Embedded content]

Although…uh…the time stamps are bad. Maybe the screen cap and the apology are from different time zones?

It’s real.

275 HappyWarrior  Jun 21, 2015 5:45:01pm

re: #273 Nyet

It is.

Thanks. Then as I said, I can’t imagine the reaction if one of Obama’s cabinet secretary’s spouses made a crack about Jews. But as I said, Bibi himself has shown no respect at all to President Obama from the start.

276 #FergusonFireside  Jun 21, 2015 5:45:02pm

re: #262 Feline Fearless Leader

Away from politics for a moment. Been scanning slides from 1973-74 today. Vacation and family stuff of varying quality, grandparent’s 50th wedding anniversary, the exchange student from Malaysia that stayed with us for a year*, etc.

Found a photo that I thought was a very nice abstract - below in color and b/w.

[Embedded content]

Embedded Image

* - Met her again for the first time in 30+ years when visiting Malaysia in 2011.

Beautiful. Color wins.

277 CuriousLurker  Jun 21, 2015 5:45:55pm

re: #267 bratwurst

Sorry if this has already been discussed elsewhere, been mostly working today…but is this for real?

[Embedded content]

Although…uh…the time stamps are bad. Maybe the screen cap and the apology are from different time zones?

It’s real—someone (Sergey?) posted it earlier. Apparently she’s been saying it was just a stupid joke, or something along those lines.

278 piratedan  Jun 21, 2015 5:46:00pm

re: #190 The Vicious Babushka

so is inbreeding and we have laws against that

279 Feline Fearless Leader  Jun 21, 2015 5:46:52pm

re: #268 HappyWarrior

Yep and that’s exactly what happened. A lot of Northerners were infuriated too when Lincoln decided to allow for black volunteers but it was a stroke of genius on his part.

Though the cynical ones understood that putting a black man in uniform meant that he could stop a bullet that would otherwise hit a white man in that uniform.

Something else to look at is what the CSA did in 1865 regarding using black soldiers. And even then, there was resistance and hedging regarding even thinking of offering them freedom in exchange for military service. It’s also considered probable that a very good CSA general (Cleburne) was never offered command above that of a division because he advocated recruiting blacks in 1864. His letter was quietly squashed and never officially recognized.

280 The Vicious Babushka  Jun 21, 2015 5:47:39pm

MATH IS HARD==>

281 Eric The Fruit Bat  Jun 21, 2015 5:47:59pm

re: #177 The Vicious Babushka

I’m obviously getting annoyed with this one…..

282 The Vicious Babushka  Jun 21, 2015 5:48:46pm

re: #238 HappyWarrior

Thinking about that. Glory is my favorite Civil War film ever. Not a big Matthew Broderick fan but he was great and believable as Colonel Shaw who by the way shares his name with a Metro stop in D.C near Howard University.

People were saying Broderick was too young to play Shaw, when in fact he was a couple of years older than the real Shaw.

283 HappyWarrior  Jun 21, 2015 5:48:56pm

re: #280 The Vicious Babushka

MATH IS HARD==>

[Embedded content]

Morons. A dog that big can’t live that long A) and B) We haven’t been Afghanistan close to that long.

284 HappyWarrior  Jun 21, 2015 5:49:27pm

re: #282 The Vicious Babushka

People were saying Broderick was too young to play Shaw, when in fact he was a couple of years older than the real Shaw.

Yeah I think Shaw was a year or so out of Harvard (I think?) when he was commissioned.

285 Eric The Fruit Bat  Jun 21, 2015 5:49:55pm

re: #283 HappyWarrior

Multiply by 3?

286 #FergusonFireside  Jun 21, 2015 5:50:07pm

re: #271 HappyWarrior

I think it’s legit. Not sure though. But gosh can you imagine if the wife of one of Obama’s cabinet officials made a joke like that about Jews? As I’ve said, Bibi has shown no respect to Obama from Day 1. No shock to me if this is legit.

It’s legit.

And disgusting.

Racism, casual racism is everyfuckingwhere.

287 Nyet  Jun 21, 2015 5:50:29pm

re: #277 CuriousLurker

It’s real—someone (Sergey?) posted it earlier.

Dr. Matt

288 b.d.  Jun 21, 2015 5:50:33pm

re: #280 The Vicious Babushka

MATH IS HARD==>

[Embedded content]

Dog years. 21 years in dog years = 3 human years

289 The Vicious Babushka  Jun 21, 2015 5:50:47pm

re: #283 HappyWarrior

Morons. A dog that big can’t live that long A) and B) We haven’t been Afghanistan close to that long.

3 years=21 dog years?

290 Feline Fearless Leader  Jun 21, 2015 5:50:51pm

re: #283 HappyWarrior

Morons. A dog that big can’t live that long A) and B) We haven’t been Afghanistan close to that long.

Dog years.

291 Nyet  Jun 21, 2015 5:51:26pm

re: #283 HappyWarrior

Morons. A dog that big can’t live that long A) and B) We haven’t been Afghanistan close to that long.

I suppose dog years are meant.

292 Eric The Fruit Bat  Jun 21, 2015 5:51:48pm

re: #277 CuriousLurker

Business Insider picked up on the hours ago. She’s worried that her husband will go all mental on her.

293 Tigger2  Jun 21, 2015 5:52:18pm

re: #290 Feline Fearless Leader

Dog years.

I had a cat that lived 23 human years. It’s was very hard when I hard lost her.

294 Eric The Fruit Bat  Jun 21, 2015 5:52:34pm

re: #286 #FergusonFireside

businessinsider.com

295 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 21, 2015 5:53:43pm

re: #280 The Vicious Babushka

MATH IS HARD==>

[Embedded content]

One human year = seven dog years
or so the old saying goes.

296 makeitstop  Jun 21, 2015 5:53:48pm

re: #283 HappyWarrior

Morons. A dog that big can’t live that long A) and B) We haven’t been Afghanistan close to that long.

Dog years!

297 The Vicious Babushka  Jun 21, 2015 5:53:49pm
298 Eric The Fruit Bat  Jun 21, 2015 5:54:52pm

re: #242 Backwoods_Sleuth

Talk about going gangster….

299 Romantic Heretic  Jun 21, 2015 6:05:54pm

re: #258 HappyWarrior

That’s why they put any captured black soldier regardless of what his status was pre-war into slavery or executed him. The CSA’s treatment of African-American POWs is proof that they were not the chivalrous men of honor that their apologists make them out to be.

Jefferson Davis also ordered that any white officer captured leading black troops to be executed for ‘fomenting servile revolt’.

Fortunately, almost without exception, Confederate officers refused to carry out that order.

300 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jun 21, 2015 6:09:02pm

re: #299 Romantic Heretic

Jefferson Davis also ordered that any white officer captured leading black troops to be executed for ‘fomenting servile revolt’.

Fortunately, almost without exception, Confederate officers refused to carry out that order.

And they criticize Hitler for the “Commissar Order”, but every southern family had to have a copy of Davis’ book on their coffee table….

301 Lidane  Jun 21, 2015 7:00:18pm

Speaking of ‘splodey heads, Freepers are taking the Pope’s statements well:

What a fraud this pope is.
—

This guy fell off his rocker a long time ago. He’s just plain stupid.
—

this guy doesn’t know when to shut up
—

Oh yeah? Well maybe the Pope can explain how single women and elderly folks should defend themselves?
—

Small man in a big job.

see also: Obama, Barack.
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This clown is going to drive me from the Church.
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Perhaps Catholics need to drive him from the church.
—

This pope is a real embarrassment, another affirmative action choice that proves why no one should ever pick based on race, ethnicity, or such.
—

Can the Pope be recalled? This is a serious question.
—

Based upon his recent words and actions, not only do I have absolutely no respect for this man whatsoever, I consider him an enemy of Christianity and of religion in general.

I think the Catholic Church should lose its tax exempt status, at least until this Marxist a—hole politician is no longer it’s “leader”.

He is utterly despicable.
—

s it just possible that this POPE is the Anti-Christ, and NOT Barack Hussein Obama after all? Or maybe the College of Cardinals which elected him is somehow collectively the Anti-Christ?
—

The Vatican has been Obamanated.

302 HappyWarrior  Jun 21, 2015 7:10:47pm

re: #301 Lidane

Speaking of ‘splodey heads, Freepers are taking the Pope’s statements well:

Again wingnuts Popes have been speaking out about this shit for years. You’re as guilty as the “Cafeteria Catholics” you derided for being pro-choice, pro-gay rights. He never said people shouldn’t be able to defend themselves but he rightfully did condemn the firearms industry for what it is.


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