Overnight Podcast: The Bob & Chez Show, 6/25/15, Minus Chez, Plus Me

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The latest edition of the Bob & Chez Show features yours truly as co-host, because Chez is having a lost weekend in Vegas and there was Chuck C. Johnson news to relate.

Also in this podcast: the story of how I, a guitar-playing kid from Hawaii, ended up in the A&M studios with Stanley Clarke, Billy Cobham and George Duke for my first major recording session ever.

Jiggery-Pokery: With Guest Co-host Charles Johnson from Little Green Footballs; Hack-Fraud Chuck C. Johnson’s Continued Descent into Obscurity; Bobby Jindal is Running; Chris Christie is Running; Good News for Donald Trump; Obamacare Upheld by the Supreme Court; Scalia is Insane; Plus, all about Charles Johnson’s Music Career and Entry into Political Blogger; and much more. Brought to you by Bubble Genius, the BobCesca.com Amazon Link and The Bowen Law Group.

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1 Dr. Matt  Jun 25, 2015 8:09:38pm
2 Belafon  Jun 25, 2015 8:13:28pm

re: #1 Dr. Matt

3 Dr. Matt  Jun 25, 2015 8:19:58pm

re: #2 Belafon

I was little more poetic:

4 HappyWarrior  Jun 25, 2015 8:21:20pm

re: #1 Dr. Matt

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Butt hurt much Geraldo, FOX most certainly would if any first daughter got pregnant and for damn sure they’d use it to attack their parenting skills but because its a Palin, it’s let her have her privacy and you know what, 99% of the time I’d agree but given the Palins including Bristol’s love of judging people especially the left, it’s more than fair to call her hypocrisy out.

5 psddluva4evah  Jun 25, 2015 8:22:06pm

Good night LGF!

6 Belafon  Jun 25, 2015 8:22:39pm

re: #3 Dr. Matt

I was little more poetic:

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Ha!

You’d think they would learn one lesson from the Daily Show: Everything they’ve done is available for others to look at.

7 goddamnedfrank  Jun 25, 2015 8:30:18pm

After re-watching Mr. Robot I have a theory, Christian Slater is Rami Malek’s alternate personality / figment of his imagination. Malek says Slater isn’t allowed to smoke on the Subway platform, Slater does anyway, because he’s not there. None of the other hackers even glances at Slater. They’re all looking at Malek, because they see him talking to himself, and it’s weird but they’re also used to it. The whole goal is to destroy the corporate consumer credit records.

This is Fight Club reimagined.

8 allegro  Jun 25, 2015 8:30:33pm

Bristol made herself a public figure. Knocked herself out to become one with 2 seasons on Dancing With the Stars, a reality show, her PR gig with the abstinance thing, interviews, on and on. Now she asks that her privacy be respected after publicly announcing her pregnancy.

Sweetie, shut up, go away and live a private life. Please. Or live a public one and pay the bill. Can’t have both.

9 goddamnedfrank  Jun 25, 2015 8:32:10pm

re: #7 goddamnedfrank

I see I’m not the first person to come up with this insight. Fuck you internet.

10 allegro  Jun 25, 2015 8:35:30pm

re: #7 goddamnedfrank

After re-watching Mr. Robot I have a theory, Christian Slater is Rami Malek’s alternate personality / figment of his imagination. Malek says Slater isn’t allowed to smoke on the Subway platform, Slater does anyway, because he’s not there. None of the other hackers even glances at Slater. They’re all looking at Malek, because they see him talking to himself, and it’s weird but they’re also used to it. The whole goal is to destroy the corporate consumer credit records.

This is Fight Club reimagined.

Also when he goes back to the warehouse, it’s dark and empty as though no one has been there in years.

Damn, GDF. Now what will I have to look forward to! *SOB*

11 Dark_Falcon  Jun 25, 2015 8:37:03pm

re: #8 allegro

Bristol made herself a public figure. Knocked herself out to become one with 2 seasons on Dancing With the Stars, a reality show, her PR gig with the abstinance thing, interviews, on and on. Now she asks that her privacy be respected after publicly announcing her pregnancy.

Sweetie, shut up, go away and live a private life. Please. Or live a public one and pay the bill. Can’t have both.

Why not? Her mother raked in cash for years by fooling wingnuts into believing she was going to run for president. And then she fooled John McCain by getting him to believe she’d be something other than an embarrassment. And before that she fooled Alaskan voters into thinking she was going to serve the state as its governor.

So I can easily see how Bristol thinks she can BS her way out this. But she lacks the charm to BS that effectively.

12 goddamnedfrank  Jun 25, 2015 8:37:37pm

re: #10 allegro

Malek: “Who are you?”

Slater: “That will come later.”

13 HappyWarrior  Jun 25, 2015 8:39:33pm

Again thanks McCain.//

14 allegro  Jun 25, 2015 8:41:14pm

re: #12 goddamnedfrank

Malek: “Who are you?”

Slater: “That will come later.”

*grumble*

15 Kragar  Jun 25, 2015 8:42:07pm

re: #12 goddamnedfrank

Slater: “That will come later.”

Thats what she said.

16 BeachDem  Jun 25, 2015 8:47:21pm

Oh, Geraldo—

”..On the pinhead front, 16-year-old Jamie Lynn Spears is pregnant. The sister of Britney says she is shocked. I bet.

Now most teens are pinheads in some ways. But here the blame falls primarily on the parents of the girl, who obviously have little control over her or even over Britney Spears. Look at the way she behaves…incredible pinhead.”

O’Reilly…on Fox.

17 allegro  Jun 25, 2015 8:51:46pm

re: #7 goddamnedfrank

Damn, yanno that really explains a lot. Now I’m replaying scenes that made me go “hmm.”

18 goddamnedfrank  Jun 25, 2015 8:56:24pm
19 Mattand  Jun 25, 2015 8:57:51pm

So what kind of jiggery-pokery are you kids up to tonight?

20 HappyWarrior  Jun 25, 2015 8:58:18pm

re: #16 BeachDem

Oh, Geraldo—

”..On the pinhead front, 16-year-old Jamie Lynn Spears is pregnant. The sister of Britney says she is shocked. I bet.

Now most teens are pinheads in some ways. But here the blame falls primarily on the parents of the girl, who obviously have little control over her or even over Britney Spears. Look at the way she behaves…incredible pinhead.”

O’Reilly…on Fox.

Yeah but Jamie Lynn wasn’t a relation of a right wing folk hero. Hell I still remember that pig Huckabee accusing Natalie Portman of “glamorizing” unwed pregnancy even though she had a career and was engaged. I normally wouldn’t give two shits about this but it is yet another example in conservative moral hypocrisy 101:

21 psddluva4evah  Jun 25, 2015 8:59:25pm

ok, so I’m thinking SCOTUS may hold off until Monday for the SSM decision.

Maybe not if the President wasn’t gonna be in Charleston tomorrow. I think they want to announce that while the Prez is at WH

22 Timothy Watson  Jun 25, 2015 9:01:24pm

re: #19 Mattand

So what kind of jiggery-pokery are you kids up to tonight?

I’m gettin’ jiggy with it

Actually, I hoping that I can fall back to sleep since I have to work tomorrow.

23 Ian G.  Jun 25, 2015 9:02:33pm

So I feel like going on a bit of a rant before bed:

I’ve been hearing from the more sane right (including friends) that the SCOTUS should not be in the business of approving the “intentions” of legislation, particularly the meaning of “state” in the ACA. Uh, OK. But….what? Has anyone been watching the history of this country?

After all, there’s been a fuck-ton of interpreting the “intentions” of the 2nd amendment. Me, I read that thing and the intention seems to be, “hey, we’re a large country with a small, rural population and no standing army. How about we make it so an armed citizenry can respond quickly should the Emperor of France decide to use his army to put his buddy, the Archduke of Austria, on the throne in DC? That way, he’ll say ‘fuck it, Mexico is next door, let’s try them’ and we can all get wasted on Corona and bad Margaritas every May 5th as a result.”

But Antonin Scalia sees the 2nd amendment slightly differently, and thinks it enshrines the right of every mook with a room temperature IQ and a penis the size of a quark to face no real consequences for picking off random black children on the street with his sniper rifle.

I dunno. That sounds like making big assumptions of the “intentions” of the legislation, if you ask me.

24 BeachDem  Jun 25, 2015 9:02:54pm

re: #20 HappyWarrior

Yeah but Jamie Lynn wasn’t a relation of a right wing folk hero. Hell I still remember that pig Huckabee accusing Natalie Portman of “glamorizing” unwed pregnancy even though she had a career and was engaged. I normally wouldn’t give two shits about this but it is yet another example in conservative moral hypocrisy 101:

Had a career, was engaged, and was also a Harvard graduate. (But, perhaps it was that she wasn’t a rightwing fundamentalist that really stuck in Huckabee’s craw.)

25 allegro  Jun 25, 2015 9:03:03pm

re: #22 Timothy Watson

I’m gettin’ jiggy with it
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Actually, I hoping that I can fall back to sleep since I have to work tomorrow.

Were we being too loud?

26 Timothy Watson  Jun 25, 2015 9:04:55pm

re: #25 allegro

Were we being too loud?

No, acid reflux from pizza was bothering me.

27 BeachDem  Jun 25, 2015 9:06:25pm

Well, this is bound to end well:

…Abbott announced that he was appointing Houston Republican Donna Bahorich, a former communications director for Lt. Gov. Dan Patrick, to chair the Board of Education.

According to Texas Public Radio, Bahorich homeschooled her own sons before sending them to a private high school.

Texas Freedom Network President Kathy Miller said in a statement. “The governor has appointed as board chair an ideologue who voted to adopt new textbooks that scholars sharply criticized as distorting American history, who rejected public education for her own family and who supports shifting tax dollars from neighborhood public schools to private and religious schools through vouchers.”

Even Republican State Board member Thomas Ratliff called the move a mistake.

rawstory.com

28 allegro  Jun 25, 2015 9:06:53pm

re: #26 Timothy Watson

No, acid reflux from pizza was bothering me.

Ouch. Better that we were keeping you up. At least you could put us on mute.

29 HappyWarrior  Jun 25, 2015 9:07:03pm

re: #24 BeachDem

Had a career, was engaged, and was also a Harvard graduate. (But, perhaps it was that she wasn’t a rightwing fundamentalist that really stuck in Huckabee’s craw.)

Yeah Natalie is a liberal Jew. As bad as being an atheist social us in Huckleberry’s eyes. The man has no morals at all.

30 Timothy Watson  Jun 25, 2015 9:07:11pm

The GOP is teh butthurt:

A House Republican on Thursday proposed forcing the Supreme Court justices and their staff to enroll in ObamaCare.

Rep. Brian Babin (R-Texas) said that his SCOTUScare Act would make all nine justices and their employees join the national healthcare law’s exchanges.

“As the Supreme Court continues to ignore the letter of the law, it’s important that these six individuals understand the full impact of their decisions on the American people,” he said.

“That’s why I introduced the SCOTUScare Act to require the Supreme Court and all of its employees to sign up for ObamaCare,” Babin said.

thehill.com

31 piratedan  Jun 25, 2015 9:08:04pm

re: #23 Ian G.

good call… and the thing is, over here on the left, we try to work with what we have, if we don’t like something, sure, we’ll bitch but we’ll work for something sane to moderate what was decided. Over on the other side of the aisle, they’ve devolved into pouty kids, throwing tantrums and threatening armed insurrection and taking out political figures via violence when it doesn’t go their way.

It’s not as if things didn’t suck for the left with the decision about the Florida ballots and watching us get snookered into another war in the Middle East, but I’m not sure I heard a lot of voices on the left threatening to kill Shrub over it.

32 HappyWarrior  Jun 25, 2015 9:08:26pm

re: #30 Timothy Watson

The GOP is teh butthurt:

thehill.com

You give your government health care first, Mr. Babies and then maybe SCOTUS will talk with you.

33 Dark_Falcon  Jun 25, 2015 9:08:27pm

re: #16 BeachDem

Oh, Geraldo—

”..On the pinhead front, 16-year-old Jamie Lynn Spears is pregnant. The sister of Britney says she is shocked. I bet.

Now most teens are pinheads in some ways. But here the blame falls primarily on the parents of the girl, who obviously have little control over her or even over Britney Spears. Look at the way she behaves…incredible pinhead.”

O’Reilly…on Fox.

To be fair though: Jamie Lynn Spears has more talent and charisma than Bristol Palin. An example:

34 HappyWarrior  Jun 25, 2015 9:10:28pm

re: #33 Dark_Falcon

To be fair though: Jamie Lynn Spears has more talent and charisma than Bristol Palin. An example:

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Bristol has neither, her claim to fame is her mother ran for VP. You don’t see John Edwards’ children acting like they have credibility.

35 HappyWarrior  Jun 25, 2015 9:14:22pm

re: #32 HappyWarrior

You give your government health care first, Mr. Babies and then maybe SCOTUS will talk with you.

Babin err. Sorry on a phone:

36 allegro  Jun 25, 2015 9:14:39pm

re: #34 HappyWarrior

Bristol has neither, her claim to fame is her mother ran for VP. You don’t see John Edwards’ children acting like they have credibility.

Not entirely fair. Bristol reportedly has a mean left hook. She’s not entirely without talent.

37 allegro  Jun 25, 2015 9:15:42pm

re: #35 HappyWarrior

Babin err. Sorry on a phone:

I thought Mr Babies was entirely appropriate.

38 HappyWarrior  Jun 25, 2015 9:16:13pm

re: #36 allegro

Not entirely fair. Bristol reportedly has a mean left hook. She’s not entirely without talent.

Haha touché. Best street fighter of any also ran’s children.

39 Great White Snark  Jun 25, 2015 9:16:33pm

Quite a good interview on the podcast Charles. Good to hear you.

40 allegro  Jun 25, 2015 9:16:45pm

re: #38 HappyWarrior

Haha touché. Best street fighter of any also ran’s children.

You betcha.

41 piratedan  Jun 25, 2015 9:16:57pm

more Palin mockery…. seen over on Balloon Juice, a twitter reference…

“Screw as I say, not as I screw”….

42 HappyWarrior  Jun 25, 2015 9:17:25pm

re: #37 allegro

I thought Mr Babies was entirely appropriate.

Haha Gotta love autocorrect. Serious tho, he should give up his health care if he wants to be a little shit over this.

43 HappyWarrior  Jun 25, 2015 9:18:01pm

Well good night. Last of my battery.

44 allegro  Jun 25, 2015 9:18:42pm

re: #43 HappyWarrior

Well good night. Last of my battery.

That’s what she said.

45 HappyWarrior  Jun 25, 2015 9:20:03pm

re: #44 allegro

That’s what she said.

Snap. But yeah raining on my tent here.

46 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jun 25, 2015 9:29:52pm

re: #29 HappyWarrior

Yeah Natalie is a liberal Jew. As bad as being an atheist social us in Huckleberry’s eyes. The man has no morals at all.

If I didn’t already hate him, that would do it. I’ve loved Natalie Portman since Beautiful Girls. If that makes me a pervert, so be it….

47 William Lewis  Jun 25, 2015 9:33:51pm

If I ever meet Huckabee I’d ask him if I could tell him of the Good News of Christ Jesus because it’s obvious from his life that he really needs to be Born Again.

Sad part is there is very little snark to that paragraph…

48 teleskiguy  Jun 25, 2015 9:33:57pm

Love the latter half of this podcast! A sort of oral history of Charles Johnson, pro guitarist, pro programmer.

49 Charles Johnson  Jun 25, 2015 9:36:41pm
50 A Cranky One  Jun 25, 2015 9:40:46pm

re: #49 Charles Johnson

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Uh oh. Must have been a hard day for Charles. He’s hittin’ the sauce.

51 teleskiguy  Jun 25, 2015 9:44:17pm

Twitter lizards, please RT!!!

52 Mattand  Jun 25, 2015 9:53:57pm

re: #49 Charles Johnson

I guess it’s not that surprising that Scalia has Montgomery Burns help him write his dissents.

53 The Ghost of a Bikini Shank  Jun 25, 2015 9:58:49pm

re: #50 A Cranky One

Uh oh. Must have been a hard day for Charles. He’s hittin’ the sauce.

I can quit the Bernaise whenever I want. Ain’t a problem.

54 Tigger2  Jun 25, 2015 10:00:42pm

re: #1 Dr. Matt

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55 GlutenFreeJesus  Jun 25, 2015 10:07:03pm
56 Tigger2  Jun 25, 2015 10:07:44pm

re: #55 GlutenFreeJesus

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Damn wish I would have added that. lol

57 goddamnedfrank  Jun 25, 2015 10:10:08pm
While it’s great to listen to your kids’ ideas, there’s also a time when dads simply need to be dads. In this case, it would’ve been helpful for him to explain to Malia and Sasha that while her friends parents are no doubt lovely people, that’s not a reason to change thousands of years of thinking about marriage. Or that - as great as her friends may be - we know that in general kids do better growing up in a mother/father home. Ideally, fathers help shape their kids’ worldview.

-Bristol Palin

58 bubba zanetti  Jun 25, 2015 10:11:09pm

re: #30 Timothy Watson

The GOP is teh butthurt:

thehill.com

I assume he doesn’t realize there’s no “Obamacare” you can actually sign up for?

59 teleskiguy  Jun 25, 2015 10:11:12pm

60 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jun 25, 2015 10:13:31pm

re: #57 goddamnedfrank

So I take it Todd never took her to a Purity Ball and gave her a Purity Ring—maybe that’s what’s missing.

61 Tigger2  Jun 25, 2015 10:16:07pm

re: #57 goddamnedfrank

Well thinking of it that way it kind of looks like Bristol father failed her.

62 Tigger2  Jun 25, 2015 10:24:01pm

I heard Christie might make a announcement Tuesday he was going to run.

Run Run Run lol
63 Targetpractice  Jun 25, 2015 10:27:45pm

re: #62 Tigger2

I heard Christie might make a announcement Tuesday he was going to run.

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64 Tigger2  Jun 25, 2015 10:30:28pm

re: #63 Targetpractice

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Yeah I didn’t know the Pic was going to be that big, it scared me and I knew it was coming. haha

65 teleskiguy  Jun 25, 2015 10:34:18pm

re: #62 Tigger2

Put that shit in [spoiler] brackets next time. Aiee. I’m traumatized.

66 goddamnedfrank  Jun 25, 2015 10:35:33pm
67 Tigger2  Jun 25, 2015 10:35:50pm

re: #65 teleskiguy

Put that shit in [spoiler] brackets next time. Aiee. I’m traumatized.

That pic is all over political threads on FB.

68 Dr Lizardo  Jun 25, 2015 10:40:25pm

re: #66 goddamnedfrank

Taylor Swift is what happens when you water a Livejournal.

And feed it after midnight.

69 teleskiguy  Jun 25, 2015 10:42:58pm

re: #67 Tigger2

That pic is all over political threads on FB.

I gave up on “political” Facebook a long time ago. It’s a cesspool.

70 Tigger2  Jun 25, 2015 10:44:35pm

re: #69 teleskiguy

I gave up on “political” Facebook a long time ago. It’s a cesspool.

I like hitting them sometimes to mess with the trolls. You start posting links at them proving them wrong and they go nuts.

71 Eclectic Cyborg  Jun 25, 2015 10:59:43pm

re: #69 teleskiguy

I gave up on “political” Facebook a long time ago. It’s a cesspool.

As are political most things sadly. LGF is about the only safe place I’ve found on the web to talk about politics.

72 goddamnedfrank  Jun 25, 2015 11:14:32pm

re: #17 allegro

Damn, yanno that really explains a lot. Now I’m replaying scenes that made me go “hmm.”

Thought about it a bit more, like when Elliot introduces E Corp and the logo becomes “Evil” Corp he remarks that his psychiatrist would freak if he told her about that. Later we as the audience hear people saying “Evil Corp” and that’s what we see on the news tickers, even though there’s no way a straight news broadcast would reference them that way. So at the very least the main character is an obviously unreliable narrater and it’s established that we as the audience are seeing everything through his own skewed perceptions.

He uses morphine recreationally and has deluded himself into thinking the key to not becoming an addict is to limit himself to 30 mg a day. He talks to a person in his head that at the very beginning he knows isn’t there, something he acknowledges has a very slippery slope attached to it. It’s a very clever way of making the narration seem natural and organic while simultaneously undermining everything we see and hear.

Going against the split personality theory is the detailed story that Slater (Mr. Robot) tells about his own father as a thief. Elliot talks about his own father with Ron in the coffee shot, explaining that he died of cancer from workplace radiation exposure. The difference in their personalities also isn’t nearly as stark as the nameless protagonist (Ed Norton) and Tyler Durden (Brad Pitt) in Fight Club. So except for his being unencumbered by corporate america and talking to people more easily it’s hard to see the Mr. Robot character really encompassing traits that Elliot wishes he possessed.

73 Pawn of the Oppressor  Jun 25, 2015 11:18:56pm

re: #23 Ian G.

Exactly… Uhm, I’m pretty sure Appeals Courts “interpret” (i.e. consider) the intention of laws all the time. It’s part of what they do… That’s kinda their job… Gee, when courts rule in a way that conservatives don’t like, suddenly they all become legal scholars! Interesting, that.

Edit: I’d have to go dig out my textbooks to look up the exact terms, but there are differing schools of thought on this question of going by the “letter of the law” versus the “intention of the law”. It’s a spectrum of consideration and judges may fall towards one end or the other. But, I’m pretty sure mounting a letter-of-the-law challenge specifically to undermine and destroy the intention of the law is duplicitous and shitty (< that’s a legal term right there). I haven’t read the SCOTUS opinion yet but I do wonder if there was a bit of scolding in the tone…

74 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jun 25, 2015 11:35:44pm

re: #73 Pawn of the Oppressor

Exactly… Uhm, I’m pretty sure Appeals Courts “interpret” (i.e. consider) the intention of laws all the time. It’s part of what they do… That’s kinda their job… Gee, when courts rule in a way that conservatives don’t like, suddenly they all become legal scholars! Interesting, that.

Edit: I’d have to go dig out my textbooks to look up the exact terms, but there are differing schools of thought on this question of going by the “letter of the law” versus the “intention of the law”. It’s a spectrum of consideration and judges may fall towards one end or the other. But, I’m pretty sure mounting a letter-of-the-law challenge specifically to undermine and destroy the intention of the law is duplicitous and shitty (< that’s a legal term right there). I haven’t read the SCOTUS opinion yet but I do wonder if there was a bit of scolding in the tone…

From what I read, Roberts spent most of his time berating congress for writing such an “ambiguous” text in the first place—because it wasn’t a sufficiently “bipartisan” endeavor that wasn’t thrashed out by “both sides” until it was a thing of jewellike perfection, which it would have been if it weren’t for all the regrettable “partisanship”.

It wasn’t the fault of one particular side—nosiree Bob!

75 Higgs Boson's Mate  Jun 25, 2015 11:58:04pm

re: #74 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

From what I read, Roberts spent most of his time berating congress for writing such an “ambiguous” text in the first place—because it wasn’t a sufficiently “bipartisan” endeavor that wasn’t thrashed out by “both sides” until it was a thing of jewellike perfection, which it would have been if it weren’t for all the regrettable “partisanship”.

It wasn’t the fault of one particular side—nosiree Bob!

If only there was a way that existing legislation could be modified by Congress. If there was then the Republicans could use it to correct what they perceive as defects in, say, the ACA.

76 Kragar  Jun 26, 2015 12:14:53am
77 piratedan  Jun 26, 2015 12:17:37am

re: #75 Higgs Boson’s Mate

Roberts can rail all he wants and pretend that this is the fault of the party that drafted everything and bemoan the fact that sections of the law are “unpolished” but c’mon, that’s all to provide cover (as if anyone was listening) for those who wrote the checks for his speaking engagements.

We all know the score here….

Could the ACA be better, most def.

Considering the compromises made to accommodate the blue dogs and the attempts to woo those members of the GOP that were thought to posses spines and firing synapses; the fact that it actually helps people at all is a huge thing but guess what, no spending caps, keeping kids until they’re 26, no pre-existing conditions and kicking younguns into the pool to help defray costs all have helped. Did it work for everyone, no.. no it didn’t. Does that mean that the law couldn’t be improved, no… but do you really expect the GOP to do the long hard slog on anything that is already attached to this President. This is especially true considering with all of the heinous crap that they thrown his way and their infantile behavior… kind of doubt it. Although I would expect if they could remove the stick out of their ass long enough to actually help, I do believe that POTUS would be magnanimous enough to actually work with them, simply because he’s a better man than I am.

So the GOP played the short game and they are losing. Chances are, they’ll lose again tomorrow and tbh, I really don’t expect them to learn any lessons or change their ways, because they KNOW that they are right and apparently an infinite number of two by fours to their heads isn’t going to make them feel any less right. I think social media is killing them and neither they (or even the MSM) have a glimmer of what is building.

78 Kragar  Jun 26, 2015 12:36:28am

So my mom has decided the Confederate Flag doesn’t symbolize racism and just means pride in Southern heritage.

*sigh*

79 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Jun 26, 2015 12:48:03am

re: #78 Kragar

So my mom has decided the Confederate Flag doesn’t symbolize racism and just means pride in Southern heritage.

*sigh*

Here, have some Long Island Iced Tea.

it will compensate for the southern sweet tea.

80 Belafon  Jun 26, 2015 1:27:57am

re: #78 Kragar

So my mom has decided the Confederate Flag doesn’t symbolize racism and just means pride in Southern heritage.

*sigh*

If you feel like engaging her on this again, ask her what Southern pride it represents that’s not covered by the American flag.

81 Jayleia  Jun 26, 2015 1:38:27am

re: #78 Kragar

I’d be real blunt and refer to the famous and extremely disturbing picture in this article and ask if that’s something to be proud of.

But I’m a bit of a bitch, especially to my own family about infuriating shit like this.

82 Dr Lizardo  Jun 26, 2015 1:39:27am

And for my next trick, I shall shamelessly plug my latest page:

littlegreenfootballs.com

83 Dr Lizardo  Jun 26, 2015 2:44:44am

And in posting this, I’m well aware that the 24-hour rule must be heeded; it seems a terrorist attack by a self-proclaimed Da’esh member has gone down near Grenoble, France, though in a decidedly odd place - a factory. The factory, Air Products, is a chemical concern.

news.sky.com

Again, the 24-hour rule is in effect.

84 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Jun 26, 2015 2:47:37am

re: #11 Dark_Falcon

Why not? Her mother raked in cash for years by fooling wingnuts into believing she was going to run for president. And then she fooled John McCain by getting him to believe she’d be something other than an embarrassment. And before that she fooled Alaskan voters into thinking she was going to serve the state as its governor.

So I can easily see how Bristol thinks she can BS her way out this. But she lacks the charm to BS that effectively.

Sarah sent a strong message to voters over Bristol’s first pregnancy, namely: “I made her keep the baby even after she got knocked up by a no-account loser, and it is my intention to make you daughter do the same!”

85 RadicalModerate  Jun 26, 2015 3:06:12am

It looks like our winner in the daily Republican Presidential candidate shooting himself in the foot contest was Marco Rubio at the “Veterans and Miliatary Town Hall” hosted by the Concerned Veterans for America.

86 Dr Lizardo  Jun 26, 2015 3:59:03am

Meatworld stuff to do. Back later.

87 Nyet  Jun 26, 2015 4:38:03am

95% of freepers are sure that Justice Roberts is gay and is being blackmailed with his gay past.

88 Dave In Austin  Jun 26, 2015 4:42:30am

re: #87 Nyet

95% of freepers are sure that Justice Roberts is gay and is being blackmailed with his gay past.

Too funny… I guess we know what to expect in dayz to come then.

Happy Friday Folks!

89 The Vicious Babushka  Jun 26, 2015 4:47:58am

Well this is not good

90 The Vicious Babushka  Jun 26, 2015 4:48:44am
91 Nyet  Jun 26, 2015 4:49:42am

OK, that’s bullshit.

As you may have been already informed (Read Facebook link), Apple has removed our game from AppStore because of usage of the Confederate Flag. Ultimate General: Gettysburg could be accepted back if the flag is removed from the game’s content.

ultimategeneral.com

92 The Vicious Babushka  Jun 26, 2015 4:50:54am

re: #91 Nyet

OK, that’s bullshit.

ultimategeneral.com

That’s just stupid.

93 The Vicious Babushka  Jun 26, 2015 4:53:20am

civilwar.org which is a trust dedicated to preserving battlefield artifacts, has a US/Confederate flag logo. This is the site that has the Document of Secession.

They could change their logo to show the Confederate flag lying on the ground but I don’t think they should have to.

94 Franklin  Jun 26, 2015 4:54:19am

Listening now…

95 Nyet  Jun 26, 2015 5:00:55am

The Russian ISIS in Donetsk destroys a cultural object:

facebook.com

96 The Vicious Babushka  Jun 26, 2015 5:09:47am

My oldest son is in San Francisco for a “Grateful Dead” Shabbos.

97 lawhawk  Jun 26, 2015 5:11:08am

A drafting error that everyone agreed at the time was something easily overcome by regulation that identified that the subsidies applied to all the exchanges, including those operated by the feds.

Scalia thinks that all that doesn’t matter, and ignores the larger context of the ACA provisions around the provision at issue.

Of course he would; he also would have killed the ACA previously, so it’s not surprising that he’d find against the ACA here, and then attempt to retcon an explanation for why it should be canned.

Scalia used to be better than that - even when he was in opposition to other big ticket issues, there was at least some interesting rationale and explanation plus history and it made for good reading and would make lawyers perk up and read through for interesting legal reasoning. Now? Not so much, even with the language flourishes, it’s still an empty position because if we applied it to all other legislation, every last bit would be undermined or found unconstitutional because drafting errors abound, even in stuff we all take for granted.

But even as the GOP “lost” King v. Burrell (which they didn’t because it meant that they wouldn’t have to address the policy disaster a “win” would have imposed by eliminating subsidies to millions and the subsequent loss of health insurance to those people), the GOP is back to agitating for the repeal/destruction of the ACA.

The GOP simply doesn’t know when/how to quit. Instead of fixing what’s wrong with the ACA or improving provisions so that it is more effective, the GOP is keen to destroy all of it. Watch for still more efforts at repeal.

98 The Vicious Babushka  Jun 26, 2015 5:12:12am
99 lawhawk  Jun 26, 2015 5:14:02am

re: #93 The Vicious Babushka

Showing both sides of the conflict is integral to the mission of the organization; same with the NPS and their oversight of civil war battlefields. But making sure everyone recognizes the rationale for the Southern insurrection and reasons for their going to war and seceding from the Union must be made absolutely clear.

It was about slavery.

It was about preserving the institution of slavery and the Confederate flag was and remains a symbol of that goal. So, if some local yokel flies it today, it too is an indication that the person is also supporting those goals/ideals.

100 darthstar  Jun 26, 2015 5:15:04am
101 Decatur Deb  Jun 26, 2015 5:16:44am

re: #19 Mattand

So what kind of jiggery-pokery are you kids up to tonight?

Jiggery-pokery is illegal here in Alabama, at least for the next couple hours.

102 Decatur Deb  Jun 26, 2015 5:20:34am

re: #99 lawhawk

It’s perfectly valid to fly the confederate battle flag if your diet is entirely hardtack, you march without boots, and haven’t brushed your teeth since April.

103 ObserverArt  Jun 26, 2015 5:28:15am

re: #91 Nyet

OK, that’s bullshit.

ultimategeneral.com

Always expect overreaction.

It’ll take a while for everyone to figure out what is putting the X-rag flag in your face as a racist statement and what is simply a historical image.

It’s the way we do things in America. One extreme to the other and then things find a level. Hopefully.

104 Decatur Deb  Jun 26, 2015 5:34:58am

Travelling for grandkid—will miss the SSC decision discussion. Be back tonight.

105 The Vicious Babushka  Jun 26, 2015 5:37:46am

re: #102 Decatur Deb

It’s perfectly valid to fly the confederate battle flag if your diet is entirely hardtack, you march without boots, and haven’t brushed your teeth since April.

What teeth?

106 The Vicious Babushka  Jun 26, 2015 5:39:55am
107 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Jun 26, 2015 5:44:46am

Morning, Lizards

108 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Jun 26, 2015 5:46:02am

re: #100 darthstar

Didn’t we as a society move beyond the running to relay news when we all got smartphones?

109 The Vicious Babushka  Jun 26, 2015 5:47:28am

re: #108 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse

Didn’t we as a society move beyond the running to relay news when we all got smartphones?

Probably no phones allowed inside USSC

110 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Jun 26, 2015 5:48:53am

re: #97 lawhawk

The next Teabag Party challenge to the ACA is out—

Numbnuts vs. Burwell claims the ACA contains too many “the”s. Also claims ACA uses “which” instead of “that” in many places.

111 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Jun 26, 2015 5:49:57am

re: #109 The Vicious Babushka

SCOTUS still old school.

112 The Vicious Babushka  Jun 26, 2015 5:51:39am

Ben gearing up for the SCOTUS decision on marriage equality

113 lawhawk  Jun 26, 2015 5:54:26am

re: #112 The Vicious Babushka

114 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Jun 26, 2015 5:55:49am

King vs Burwell was just an attempt at ratfkking.

I don’t have to agree with all the opponents of the ACA (or to any other legislation or action) to respect their positions.

For example, opposition to SSM. I grew up in a sheltered, hyper-religious world. I can understand the basis for how many people feel about SSM in the religious community. I don’t happen to share it (or that wider world view any longer). But I can respect the opposition to SSM on the part of some (not including the hateful bigots commenting at Dead Breitbart or FR).

But I can’t respect the misanthropes behind King. It was the quintessential frivolous lawsuit. Akin to waving a flag saying “Hi, I’m a major as$hole”.

115 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Jun 26, 2015 5:57:00am

re: #112 The Vicious Babushka

Ben gearing up for the SCOTUS decision on marriage equality

Somebody make sure there are no sharp objects around when Ben hears the SSM ruling.

116 lawhawk  Jun 26, 2015 6:00:39am

Ummm.

The SCT found that the case was so lame that they never ever got to the federalism arguments proffered. It was a drafting error so minor in the eyes of the Roberts majority that you have to wonder why any court below should have seen it otherwise unless they intended to do so for partisan hackery grounds (as Scalia’s dissent clearly shows).

And the reason that the GOP is on the defensive on a wide range of issues is that they’re wrong on those issues. Clearly wrong.

Supporting white supremacists and racists who let their Confederate flags fly, knowing full well what that flag represents and means in US history - yeah, that’s a great way to win friends and influence people to your cause (except the Southern white right wingers who are already supporting the GOP despite the fact that they are hardest hit by GOP policies that would include destroying the ACA, shifting tax burdens on to the poor and middle class, and otherwise voting against their self interest).

Thing about gay marriage is that it has no effect on my own marriage, or the marriages of any other hetero couple. None. And some of the biggest opponents to SSM have such little regard for marriage that they have regularly married and divorced like clockwork - or have engaged in infidelity too many times to count.

117 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Jun 26, 2015 6:03:14am

re: #116 lawhawk

Dems even leveraged horrendous crime in Charleston to put GOP on defensive…

OFFS

118 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Jun 26, 2015 6:05:14am

re: #116 lawhawk

Also, too:

Byron York. Haven’t missed him a bit.

119 Timothy Watson  Jun 26, 2015 6:05:44am

Not sure whether to respond to Shapiro with Rick Castle’s (Nathan Fillion) WTF movement or Joe Biden laughing…

120 Belafon  Jun 26, 2015 6:07:46am

#115 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse:

Somebody make sure there are no sharp objects around when Ben hears the SSM ruling.

Actually, I think the barn at the end of Twister would be a good place for him.

121 The Vicious Babushka  Jun 26, 2015 6:08:13am
122 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Jun 26, 2015 6:10:43am

re: #116 lawhawk

Is Byron pouting?

It’s very unbecoming.

123 GlutenFreeJesus  Jun 26, 2015 6:12:10am

In a just world, a SCOTUS ruling on SSM wouldn’t be needed. But since it is, it should be 9-0 in favor. Oh. That would be glorious in so many ways.

124 lawhawk  Jun 26, 2015 6:12:31am

Another day, another terror attack against tourists in a country desperate for tourism and economic development. We saw this with attacks in Egypt over the years - like repeat attacks against Luxor and now in Tunisia.

The attacks are designed to harm the economy and affect travel and tourism, which the countries need to stay afloat. If the economy improves, the terror groups lose sources of disaffected/disenfranchised that make up their ranks.

It’s one of the reasons that the Taliban attacked the Bamiyan Buddhas (other reasons including iconoclasm). If you destroy sources of economic wellbeing, you increase the ranks of those without jobs and who might consider joining.

Of course, this is highly counterproductive since ISIL isn’t about creating jobs or wellbeing - just spreading their toxic worldview.

125 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Jun 26, 2015 6:14:07am

re: #123 GlutenFreeJesus

Justices Thomas, Alito, and Scalia would have to undo the automatic dissents they file for each ruling.

/

126 The Vicious Babushka  Jun 26, 2015 6:16:00am

re: #124 lawhawk

Another day, another terror attack against tourists in a country desperate for tourism and economic development. We saw this with attacks in Egypt over the years - like repeat attacks against Luxor and now in Tunisia.

The attacks are designed to harm the economy and affect travel and tourism, which the countries need to stay afloat. If the economy improves, the terror groups lose sources of disaffected/disenfranchised that make up their ranks.

It’s one of the reasons that the Taliban attacked the Bamiyan Buddhas (other reasons including iconoclasm). If you destroy sources of economic wellbeing, you increase the ranks of those without jobs and who might consider joining.

Of course, this is highly counterproductive since ISIL isn’t about creating jobs or wellbeing - just spreading their toxic worldview.

Many Israelis vacation in Tunisia, especially those with roots in North Africa.

127 The Vicious Babushka  Jun 26, 2015 6:17:52am

Wait, what? Ben’s baby was IN THE HOSPITAL at the same time he was spewing hateful derp all over Twitter?
That’s just sickening.
Speedy recovery for Ben’s daughter.

128 Timothy Watson  Jun 26, 2015 6:18:45am

re: #127 The Vicious Babushka

Wait, what? Ben’s baby was IN THE HOSPITAL at the same time he was spewing hateful derp all over Twitter?
That’s just sickening.

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Another kid of a wingnut that I’m going to spend my life feeling sorry for.

129 Higgs Boson's Mate  Jun 26, 2015 6:20:43am

re: #124 lawhawk

Of course, this is highly counterproductive since ISIL isn’t about creating jobs or wellbeing - just spreading their toxic worldview.

What kind of monsters would deliberately keep people ignorant, angry, and unemployed just for political gain? Oh, wait, never mind.

130 b.d.  Jun 26, 2015 6:30:36am

Good morning Lizards,

I was thinking about getting Bristol’s new kid some Rebel Flag diapers as a baby shower present but thanks to Obama I can’t buy them at Wal*Mart anymore.

//

131 ObserverArt  Jun 26, 2015 6:34:02am

Is this date anything special that there would be three terrorist attacks. Or, is it just another crazy day in the world?

132 William Lewis  Jun 26, 2015 6:34:51am

re: #130 b.d.

Good morning Lizards,

I was thinking about getting Bristol’s new kid some Rebel Flag diapers as a baby shower present but thanks to Obama I can’t buy them at Wal*Mart anymore.

//

Adds a whole nother level of meaning to “red diaper baby”… O_o

133 Dr Lizardo  Jun 26, 2015 6:37:58am

re: #100 darthstar

“The Running Of The Media Interns”.

I love it. :D

134 Great White Snark  Jun 26, 2015 6:42:03am

re: #131 ObserverArt

Is this date anything special that there would be three terrorist attacks. Or, is it just another crazy day in the world?

Sad Friday. These were very deadly attacks. Coincidence I think.

135 Teukka  Jun 26, 2015 6:44:03am

re: #134 Great White Snark

Sad Friday. These were very deadly attacks. Coincidence I think.

Yeah, coincidence (most likely).

Tho with 43 years of experience, I can tell that bad shit happening very often tends to cluster.

136 Great White Snark  Jun 26, 2015 6:44:05am

re: #132 William Lewis

Nothing certain yet but might be shooting some film in a couple weeks. Super 8 in a very modern camera. Color negative stock. Have not shot that in 30 years.

137 Dr. Matt  Jun 26, 2015 6:56:23am

re: #127 The Vicious Babushka

Wait, what? Ben’s baby was IN THE HOSPITAL at the same time he was spewing hateful derp all over Twitter?
That’s just sickening.
Speedy recovery for Ben’s daughter.

Recall, the day his daughter was born, Ben was derping on twitter about the POTUS. Talk about sick, demented hatefulness.

138 Franklin  Jun 26, 2015 7:00:32am
139 Franklin  Jun 26, 2015 7:01:00am
140 Franklin  Jun 26, 2015 7:02:03am

WOOOOOOOOOOOO

141 Franklin  Jun 26, 2015 7:02:50am

Your FEMA camp designation and Gay Marriage reassignment papers are due July 15th.

142 The Vicious Babushka  Jun 26, 2015 7:03:04am
143 b.d.  Jun 26, 2015 7:03:25am

Wow, what a historic week this has been.

144 HappyWarrior  Jun 26, 2015 7:03:29am

re: #127 The Vicious Babushka

Wait, what? Ben’s baby was IN THE HOSPITAL at the same time he was spewing hateful derp all over Twitter?
That’s just sickening.
Speedy recovery for Ben’s daughter.

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Father of the year material right there.

145 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Jun 26, 2015 7:03:32am

re: #140 Franklin

WOOOOOOOOOOOO

Holyshit. Thought this would wait until Monday.

Has Scalia dribbled out his scathing unintelligent rebuke yet?

146 The Vicious Babushka  Jun 26, 2015 7:03:36am

Incoming

147 Franklin  Jun 26, 2015 7:03:38am
148 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Jun 26, 2015 7:04:00am

Fan. Sh$t. Combination.

149 HappyWarrior  Jun 26, 2015 7:04:12am

Awesome news.

150 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Jun 26, 2015 7:04:22am

Wingnuts hit the trifecta this week.

151 GlutenFreeJesus  Jun 26, 2015 7:05:05am

5-4 in favor of. Wow. I can’t believe 4 SC judges are that ignorant. Doesn’t matter. What a great day!

152 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Jun 26, 2015 7:05:10am

Fox News: Lamestream Media once again only mentions justices who affirm SSM.

//

153 Dr. Matt  Jun 26, 2015 7:05:23am

Holy shit!!!!!! The country is officially turning left!

154 HappyWarrior  Jun 26, 2015 7:05:34am

Not a good week to be a wing nut but a good one to be an American.

155 HappyWarrior  Jun 26, 2015 7:06:11am

re: #151 GlutenFreeJesus

5-4 in favor of. Wow. I can’t believe 4 SC judges are that ignorant. Doesn’t matter. What a great day!

Was hoping Roberts would do the right thing sigh.

156 Dr. Matt  Jun 26, 2015 7:06:13am

re: #151 GlutenFreeJesus

5-4 in favor of. Wow. I can’t believe 4 SC judges are that ignorant. Doesn’t matter. What a great day!

Well, I was completely wrong about the 6-3 prediction. But, a win is a win.

157 Franklin  Jun 26, 2015 7:07:16am
158 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Jun 26, 2015 7:07:27am

Whut about are STates Rights wares my freedoms?!??!?!?!?!?

159 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing  Jun 26, 2015 7:07:29am

BOOOOOOM!

160 Dr Lizardo  Jun 26, 2015 7:07:45am

re: #156 Dr. Matt

Well, I was completely wrong about the 6-3 prediction. But, a win is a win.

I was hoping for 6-3 myself. But like you said, a win is a win.

Now - brace for incoming.

161 Franklin  Jun 26, 2015 7:08:01am
162 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Jun 26, 2015 7:08:58am

re: #160 Dr Lizardo

I was hoping for 6-3 myself. But like you said, a win is a win.

Now - brace for incoming.

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Brace yourselves, derp is coming

163 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing  Jun 26, 2015 7:09:03am

re: #160 Dr Lizardo

I was hoping for 6-3 myself. But like you said, a win is a win.

Now - brace for incoming.

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We’re going to need another level to the scale.

164 HappyWarrior  Jun 26, 2015 7:09:12am

re: #161 Franklin

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Yeah what a thing to wake up to.

165 Franklin  Jun 26, 2015 7:09:32am
166 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Jun 26, 2015 7:10:12am

Will this break Twitter?

167 freetoken  Jun 26, 2015 7:10:34am

Are we now officially in the 7 year Tribulation?

168 HappyWarrior  Jun 26, 2015 7:10:52am

The poor wingnuts will have to become expats in Russia where freedom from gay rights prevails in a world of gay rights. Did Kennedy write the majority opinion?

169 Dr Lizardo  Jun 26, 2015 7:10:54am

re: #166 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse

Will this break Twitter?

It just might.

170 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing  Jun 26, 2015 7:11:24am

re: #168 HappyWarrior

The poor wingnuts will have to become expats in Russia where freedom from gay rights prevails in a world of gay rights. Did Kennedy write the majority opinion?

Yes, he did. The split was predictable.

171 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Jun 26, 2015 7:12:04am

11 short years ago anti-SSM amendments were all the rage.

A wingnut collapse of epic proportions.

172 HappyWarrior  Jun 26, 2015 7:12:13am

re: #170 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing

Yes, he did. The split was predictable.

Thought Roberts may join. Only sort of surprise.

173 Kid A  Jun 26, 2015 7:12:18am
174 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing  Jun 26, 2015 7:12:21am

Roberts being an asshole:

The Chief Justice has the principal dissent, which is 31 pages long. Toward the end of it, he says, “If you are among the many Americans—of whatever sexual orientation—who favor expanding same-sex marriage, by all means celebrate today’s decision. Celebrate the achievement of a desired goal. Celebrate the opportunity for a new expression of commitment to a partner. Celebrate the availability of new benefits. But do not Celebrate the Constitution. It had nothing to do with it.” - See more at: live.scotusblog.com

175 jimmyvluv4u  Jun 26, 2015 7:12:38am

re: #170 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing

I disagree. The 4 dissenters are Scalia, Alito, Thomas (not surprising) and Roberts. The predictable would have been Kennedy as the fourth.

176 Dr. Matt  Jun 26, 2015 7:12:39am
177 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Jun 26, 2015 7:12:48am

OK, so all the pastors pledging to throw themselves on their swords when this day came….

178 HappyWarrior  Jun 26, 2015 7:12:57am

re: #171 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse

11 short years ago anti-SSM amendments were all the rage.

A wingnut collapse of epic proportions.

Yep. And these assholes say Obama and the left doesn’t understand the Constituion.

179 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing  Jun 26, 2015 7:13:17am

re: #175 jimmyvluv4u

I disagree. The 4 dissenters are Scalia, Alito, Thomas (not surprising) and Roberts. The expected would have been Kennedy as the fourth.

No, Kennedy’s usually pretty soft on these types of issues.

180 freetoken  Jun 26, 2015 7:13:55am

Lengthy dissent from the Chief, who seems not quite as bitter as Scalia was the other day. Chief claims the majority opinion was not about the Constitution.

181 HappyWarrior  Jun 26, 2015 7:13:58am

re: #174 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing

Roberts being an asshole:

Justice Warren or even Burger he never will be.

182 jimmyvluv4u  Jun 26, 2015 7:14:07am

re: #179 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing

Actually, my ‘predictable’ would have been a 6-3 decision. I’m a bit surprised to see Roberts writing the dissent on this.

183 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Jun 26, 2015 7:14:16am

re: #180 freetoken

Lengthy dissent from the Chief, who seems not quite as bitter as Scalia was the other day. Chief claims the majority opinion was not about the Constitution.

Whatever that means.

184 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing  Jun 26, 2015 7:14:20am
From the concluding paragraph of the majority opinion: “No union is more profound than marriage, for it embodies the highest ideals of love, fidelity, devotion, sacrifice, and family. … [The challengers] ask for equal dignity in the eyes of the law. The Constitution grants them that right.” - See more at: live.scotusblog.com
185 Lidane  Jun 26, 2015 7:14:24am

5-4 as expected. Kennedy wrote the opinion, I assume?

In any case, this is awesome. There has never been a solid legal argument against gay marriage and now SCOTUS agrees.

What an awesome week — Obamacare wins, the FHA was saved, AND same sex marriage is legal. This is GREAT! :D

186 Franklin  Jun 26, 2015 7:14:37am

I take pride in the fact that I was in the Brooke courthouse in Boston on May 17, 2004. Some Bostonians walked from City Hall to the Brooke courthouse to get waivers for a 3 day waiting period to marry. Then walked back to City Hall to get their marriage license.

I was there for a non-gay divorce while some fellow Bostonians were celebrating the happiest day of their lives. Funny how that works out :)

187 Dr Lizardo  Jun 26, 2015 7:14:51am

re: #177 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse

OK, so all the pastors pledging to throw themselves on their swords when this day came….

Yes, I’d almost forgotten about that. Presumably, we’ll see a wave of mass suicides today in protest against this decision.

Oh, wait…..you mean the RWNJ’s are just talking out of their asses again?

Color me surprised. (snort)

188 freetoken  Jun 26, 2015 7:14:54am

Hehe… Scalia claims this is a threat to the Constitution.

189 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Jun 26, 2015 7:15:05am

re: #185 Lidane

Confederate flag, battle or otherwise, also not faring well.

190 HappyWarrior  Jun 26, 2015 7:15:13am

re: #180 freetoken

Lengthy dissent from the Chief, who seems not quite as bitter as Scalia was the other day. Chief claims the majority opinion was not about the Constitution.

He needs to read the 14th and Loving, ironically SSM opponents are the ones motivated by non Constituional concerns.

191 GlutenFreeJesus  Jun 26, 2015 7:15:16am

Someone better do a well-being check at Bryan Fischer’s residence. On second thought… let him rot.

192 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Jun 26, 2015 7:15:33am

I wonder how Bryan Fischer is taking this…..

193 prairiefire  Jun 26, 2015 7:15:53am

Sooooooo Happy!!!!!!!!!

194 freetoken  Jun 26, 2015 7:15:55am

195 Dr. Matt  Jun 26, 2015 7:16:00am

Scalia can go fuck himself:

Justice Scalia has his own dissent. He leads off by saying that the decision is a “threat to American democracy.” He concludes by saying that “Hubris is sometimes defined as o’erweening pride; and pride, we know, goeth before a fall… . With each decision of ours that takes from the People a question properly left to them—with each decision that is unabashedly not based on law, but on the ‘reasoned judgment’ of a bare majority of this Court—we move one step closer - See more at: live.scotusblog.com

196 HappyWarrior  Jun 26, 2015 7:16:11am

re: #192 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse

I wonder how Bryan Fischer is taking this…..

He can finally marry his love slave, he should be happy.

197 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing  Jun 26, 2015 7:16:27am

Kennedy got some fine writing in on this decision:

From the majority opinion, addressing the role of history in the constitutional analysis: “The nature of injustice is that we may not always see it in our own times. The generations that wrote and ratified the Bill of Rights and the Fourteenth Amendment did not presume to know the extent of freedom in all of its dimensions, and so they entrusted to future generations a character protecting the right of all persons to enjoy liberty as we learn its meaning.” - See more at: live.scotusblog.com

198 HappyWarrior  Jun 26, 2015 7:16:36am

re: #195 Dr. Matt

Scalia can go fuck himself:

Oh cry me a river Tony.

199 HappyWarrior  Jun 26, 2015 7:17:16am

re: #197 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing

Kennedy got some fine writing in on this decision:

Respect other Tony. And he’s absolutely right.

200 Kid A  Jun 26, 2015 7:18:00am

Alright, GOP. You’re running out of groups to demonize for votes.

201 Dr Lizardo  Jun 26, 2015 7:19:11am

Dear Wingnuts:

202 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Jun 26, 2015 7:19:23am

re: #195 Dr. Matt

“This is SSM decision by the court is a threat to democracy….now let me see here, oh yes, here is my ruling supporting any and all manners of voting restrictions….”

203 Ian G.  Jun 26, 2015 7:19:47am

I’ve been on this earth for 35 years. Basically, my entire life I’ve seen the Jerry Falwell Borg dictate social policy in this country. For them to suffer a catastrophic defeat of this magnitude is amazing. I never thought I’d see this country start to throw off the chains of the religious right.

But I’m in no Abraham Lincoln “malice towards none” mood. More a General Sherman mood. Or to paraphrase Conan the Barbarian about what is best in life, “to crush the religious right, see them driven from the public square, hear the lamentations of their child abusing leaders.”

204 teleskiguy  Jun 26, 2015 7:20:41am

Wingnuts this morning.

205 William Lewis  Jun 26, 2015 7:20:54am

re: #136 Great White Snark

Nothing certain yet but might be shooting some film in a couple weeks. Super 8 in a very modern camera. Color negative stock. Have not shot that in 30 years.

Super 8? Fun stuff.

I ran some rolls of b&w through my Rollei but have no way to scan or print them… < bangs head >

206 Lidane  Jun 26, 2015 7:21:03am
207 Dr. Matt  Jun 26, 2015 7:21:45am

I fucking hate this man

Scalia’s dissent has an awesome footnote on page 7 (note 22): he says, “If, even as the price to be paid for a fifth vote, I ever joined an opinion for the Court that began: ‘The Constitution promises liberty to all within its reach, a liberty that includes certain specific rights that allow persons, within a lawful realm, to define and express their identity,’ I would hide my head in a bag. The Supreme Court of the United States has descended from the disciplined legal reasoning of John Marshall and Joseph Story to the mystical aphorisms of the fortune cookie.” He is not happy with Justice Kennedy. -

See more at: live.scotusblog.com

208 CleverToad  Jun 26, 2015 7:21:55am

Okay, will have to catch Rachel’s show tonight, even if it’s after the Republican relatives staying with us have gone to bed. Picked a bad weekend to be mostly off the internets for three days! But way too much real-world stuff to deal with — we’re moving a bunch of my mom’s stuff while we have my brother & sis-in-law and two nieces in town to help out.

Helluva week. So glad about the ACA and SSM rulings, will have to catch up on all the details of both. Hopeful signs with the Dixie flag flap, so very sad about the reason. Will have to sneak in computer time where I can to semi-keep up.

We’re living in interesting times.

209 HappyWarrior  Jun 26, 2015 7:21:57am

re: #203 Ian G.

I’ve been on this earth for 35 years. Basically, my entire life I’ve seen the Jerry Falwell Borg dictate social policy in this country. For them to suffer a catastrophic defeat of this magnitude is amazing. I never thought I’d see this country start to throw off the chains of the religious right.

But I’m in no Abraham Lincoln “malice towards none” mood. More a General Sherman mood. Or to paraphrase Conan the Barbarian about what is best in life, “to crush the religious right, see them driven from the public square, hear the lamentations of their child abusing leaders.”

I’m in that mood too Ian because these fucks have been demonizing our LGBT friends and family for years.

210 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing  Jun 26, 2015 7:21:59am

re: #204 teleskiguy

Wingnuts this morning.

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Check this out:

Scalia’s dissent has an awesome footnote on page 7 (note 22): he says, “If, even as the price to be paid for a fifth vote, I ever joined an opinion for the Court that began: ‘The Constitution promises liberty to all within its reach, a liberty that includes certain specific rights that allow persons, within a lawful realm, to define and express their identity,’ I would hide my head in a bag. The Supreme Court of the United States has descended from the disciplined legal reasoning of John Marshall and Joseph Story to the mystical aphorisms of the fortune cookie.” He is not happy with Justice Kennedy. - See more at: live.scotusblog.com

We may have an aneurism on the way.

211 Jenner7  Jun 26, 2015 7:22:16am

Great news to wake up to! Off to surgery. BBL.

212 Franklin  Jun 26, 2015 7:22:51am

h/t gus

213 Sionainn  Jun 26, 2015 7:22:59am

re: #207 Dr. Matt

I fucking hate this man

LOL! He sounds like a bitter, bitter man.

214 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing  Jun 26, 2015 7:22:59am

re: #207 Dr. Matt

A couple minutes behind. :)

215 darthstar  Jun 26, 2015 7:23:13am

Check out the White House avi

216 Franklin  Jun 26, 2015 7:23:42am

LOL, what a donkey:

217 Jenner7  Jun 26, 2015 7:23:44am
218 HappyWarrior  Jun 26, 2015 7:24:06am

Scalia needs to remember the USSC once upheld slavery’s legality. I’m in no mood for lectures from him about how Kennedy and the other four destroyed the court’s tradition. Deal with it Tony, we are in the 21st century.

219 freetoken  Jun 26, 2015 7:24:35am

re: #216 Franklin

Um…. Roberts dissented….

220 leftynyc  Jun 26, 2015 7:24:50am

So happy for so many people. Pride Weekend is going to be insane in NYC.

221 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Jun 26, 2015 7:25:09am

re: #210 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing

So Scalia really likes liberty huh?

/

222 HappyWarrior  Jun 26, 2015 7:25:16am

re: #216 Franklin

LOL, what a donkey:

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Supreme Court justices aren’t supposed to be your yes men Donny Boy. My hero today is a Reagan appointee.

223 #FergusonFireside  Jun 26, 2015 7:25:27am

Scalia is a dick.

224 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Jun 26, 2015 7:25:32am

re: #219 freetoken

Um…. Roberts dissented….

Don’t interrupt the Trump, he’s on a roll.

225 Franklin  Jun 26, 2015 7:25:37am

re: #219 freetoken

Um…. Roberts dissented….

226 ObserverArt  Jun 26, 2015 7:25:47am

Really??? Gay Marriage was upheld.

I was cleaning up my kitchen and just got back to checking what was up and noticed there were 78 more comments in a short time.

Now I know why.

The Ohio guy that was a big part of the case and all the Ohio LGBT community is going to party tonight. I’ll have to talk to my next door neighbor dudes. They got married out of state a year ago because of Ohio laws.

Wow. The RWNJs are going to go over the edge.

Be cool America. In a year you will notice nothing has really changed in your life.

And if you have a real need to hate. Try yourselves for your treatment of others. And then ask forgiveness in those churches you claim you follow.

227 Archangelus  Jun 26, 2015 7:26:32am

Wingnuts across the US at the moment:

228 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Jun 26, 2015 7:26:41am

re: #225 Franklin

“Uh, OK, how do I push ‘delete’ on this thing?”

229 blueraven  Jun 26, 2015 7:27:07am
230 freetoken  Jun 26, 2015 7:27:07am

re: #226 ObserverArt

Really??? Gay Marriage was upheld.

Technically, I think it was the various states’ prohibitions that were struck down. Same end effect.

231 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Jun 26, 2015 7:27:19am

Not sure I can get any work done now…

232 Franklin  Jun 26, 2015 7:27:44am
233 darthstar  Jun 26, 2015 7:28:12am
234 Timothy Watson  Jun 26, 2015 7:28:55am

re: #221 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse

So Scalia really likes liberty huh?

/

Wasn’t it Scalia who said there was no right to vote in the Constitution?

235 Sionainn  Jun 26, 2015 7:29:03am

re: #231 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse

Not sure I can get any work done now…

I’m in the same boat. I’ve got a bunch of reports to type and I am just so elated that this happened and I can’t concentrate!

236 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Jun 26, 2015 7:29:51am

re: #235 Sionainn

Yes and I really do need to get stuff done today.

237 CuriousLurker  Jun 26, 2015 7:33:10am
238 allegro  Jun 26, 2015 7:33:43am

Wow! Two days in a row!

239 freetoken  Jun 26, 2015 7:34:00am

Scalia and “democracy”… seems like he is grasping onto straws.

I look back at this country and find that often it was executive action or courts which had to break down what the majority of voters had put in place.

Consider this - Lincoln’s Emancipation Proclamation was effectively an executive order, it was not a vote.

240 darthstar  Jun 26, 2015 7:36:18am
241 De Kolta Chair  Jun 26, 2015 7:36:33am

Scalia’s dissent:

242 Timothy Watson  Jun 26, 2015 7:36:54am

Shapiro’s been pretty quiet, maybe he stroked out.

243 HappyWarrior  Jun 26, 2015 7:36:58am

re: #239 freetoken

Scalia and “democracy”… seems like he is grasping onto straws.

I look back at this country and find that often it was executive action or courts which had to break down what the majority of voters had put in place.

Consider this - Lincoln’s Emancipation Proclamation was effectively an executive order, it was not a vote.

Right. Brown too. Scalia is just being a troll.

244 jimmyvluv4u  Jun 26, 2015 7:37:12am

Holy shit, read this from Scalia’s dissent. I think this is a pro affirmitave-action stance? :-)

Judges are selected precisely for their skill as lawyers; whether they reflect the policy views of a particular constituency is not (or should not be) relevant. Not surprisingly then, the Federal Judiciary is hardly a cross-section of America. Take, for example, this Court, which consists of only nine men and women, all of them successful lawyers who studied at Harvard or Yale Law School. Four of the nine are natives of New York City. Eight of them grew up in east- and west-coast States. Only one hails from the vast expanse in-between. Not a single Southwesterner or even, to tell the truth, a genuine Westerner (California does not count). Not a single evangelical Christian (a group that comprises about one quarter of Americans), or even a Protestant of any denomination. The strikingly unrepresentative character of the body voting on today’s social upheaval would be irrelevant if they were functioning as judges, answering the legal question whether the American people had ever ratified a constitutional provision that was understood to proscribe the traditional definition of marriage. But of course the Justices in today’s majority are not voting on that basis; they say they are not. And to allow the policy question of same-sex marriage to be considered and resolved by a select, patrician, highly unrepresentative panel of nine is to violate a principle even more fundamental than no taxation without representation: no social transformation without representation.

245 sagehen  Jun 26, 2015 7:37:49am

re: #234 Timothy Watson

Wasn’t it Scalia who said there was no right to vote in the Constitution?

Not sure, but he was definitely the one who said factual innocence is no reason to overturn a death sentence.

246 HappyWarrior  Jun 26, 2015 7:38:02am

re: #242 Timothy Watson

Shapiro’s been pretty quiet, maybe he stroked out.

He should be enjoying fatherhood rather than bitching about gay people having the same rights as him and his wife.

247 freetoken  Jun 26, 2015 7:38:08am

re: #243 HappyWarrior

Right. Brown too. Scalia is just being a troll.

I think he’s playing politics, giving tinder to the right wing politicians to burn in front of their masses.

248 HappyWarrior  Jun 26, 2015 7:38:55am

re: #247 freetoken

I think he’s playing politics, giving tinder to the right wing politicians to burn in front of their masses.

He really is everything the right accuses liberal judges of being.

249 De Kolta Chair  Jun 26, 2015 7:38:57am

re: #244 jimmyvluv4u

Holy shit, read this from Scalia’s dissent. I think this is a pro affirmitave-action stance? :-)

Srly? (Not your comment, but that excerpt from Scalia’s dissent. Wow.)

250 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing  Jun 26, 2015 7:39:04am

re: #244 jimmyvluv4u

Wow. I’m thinking senility may be setting in.

251 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Jun 26, 2015 7:39:14am

Will not look at FB today…

Will not look at FB today…

Will not look at FB today…

The few wingnuts friends I have left are probably derping all over the place.

252 ObserverArt  Jun 26, 2015 7:39:29am

re: #188 freetoken

Hehe… Scalia claims this is a threat to the Constitution.

He should know all about threats to our Constitution. He is one of the largest.

253 Timothy Watson  Jun 26, 2015 7:40:02am

re: #244 jimmyvluv4u

Regardless of whether that came from an Ivy Leaguer or not, that’s some serious Palinese word salad.

254 Ian G.  Jun 26, 2015 7:40:24am

re: #232 Franklin

How the fuck do sentient humans see this and think it represents the end of America? I just can’t understand what makes religious conservatives tick.

255 blueraven  Jun 26, 2015 7:40:30am

From a comment at SCOTUS blog

Scalia’s dissent has an awesome footnote on page 7 (note 22): he says, “If, even as the price to be paid for a fifth vote, I ever joined an opinion for the Court that began: ‘The Constitution promises liberty to all within its reach, a liberty that includes certain specific rights that allow persons, within a lawful realm, to define and express their identity,’ I would hide my head in a bag. The Supreme Court of the United States has descended from the disciplined legal reasoning of John Marshall and Joseph Story to the mystical aphorisms of the fortune cookie.”

256 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Jun 26, 2015 7:40:50am

re: #242 Timothy Watson

I believe his child is in the hospital, from what VB tweeted earlier on this thread.

257 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Jun 26, 2015 7:41:53am

re: #255 blueraven

I wonder if this commenter is using “awesome” factiously.

258 Eventual Carrion  Jun 26, 2015 7:42:31am

re: #221 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse

So Scalia really likes liberty huh?

/

For those, in his mind, that deserve it.

259 HappyWarrior  Jun 26, 2015 7:42:49am

re: #254 Ian G.

How the fuck do sentient humans see this and think it represents the end of America? I just can’t understand what makes religious conservatives tick.

For all their faith in America, they really have little. Sad I think.

260 ObserverArt  Jun 26, 2015 7:43:27am

Anyone seeing any locusts?

Hornets?

Crickets?

‘skeeters?

Well, it is humid, so yeah ‘skeeters.

But the rest? Nah.

All the bugs are in Todd Starnes head along with other RWNJs and fundie preacher’s minds.

261 OhNoZombies!  Jun 26, 2015 7:43:32am

re: #244 jimmyvluv4u

Holy shit, read this from Scalia’s dissent. I think this is a pro affirmitave-action stance? :-)

Judges are selected precisely for their skill as lawyers; whether they reflect the policy views of a particular constituency is not (or should not be) relevant. Not surprisingly then, the Federal Judiciary is hardly a cross-section of America. Take, for example, this Court, which consists of only nine men and women, all of them successful lawyers who studied at Harvard or Yale Law School. Four of the nine are natives of New York City. Eight of them grew up in east- and west-coast States. Only one hails from the vast expanse in-between. Not a single Southwesterner or even, to tell the truth, a genuine Westerner (California does not count). Not a single evangelical Christian (a group that comprises about one quarter of Americans), or even a Protestant of any denomination. The strikingly unrepresentative character of the body voting on today’s social upheaval would be irrelevant if they were functioning as judges, answering the legal question whether the American people had ever ratified a constitutional provision that was understood to proscribe the traditional definition of marriage. But of course the Justices in today’s majority are not voting on that basis; they say they are not. And to allow the policy question of same-sex marriage to be considered and resolved by a select, patrician, highly unrepresentative panel of nine is to violate a principle even more fundamental than no taxation without representation: no social transformation without representation.

I don’t remember… which one of the founding fathers was an uneducated dirt farmer?///

262 Franklin  Jun 26, 2015 7:43:42am

Crap, what the hell did I do wrong now?

263 HappyWarrior  Jun 26, 2015 7:43:52am

Haven’t seen any of Alito’s yet. Bet it’s as shiny since he’s Scalia 2.0.

264 The Vicious Babushka  Jun 26, 2015 7:44:08am
265 freetoken  Jun 26, 2015 7:44:13am

re: #262 Franklin

Crap, what the hell did I do wrong now?

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To the FEMA camps with you!

266 freetoken  Jun 26, 2015 7:44:43am

Apparently there is something ill happening at the courthouse.

267 Iwouldprefernotto  Jun 26, 2015 7:45:00am

re: #264 The Vicious Babushka

June 26, 2015: I saw Satan dancing with delight, the day the music died in the United States of America.

I always thought that song was about Buddy Holly and not Gay Marriage. Guess I was wrong.

268 CuriousLurker  Jun 26, 2015 7:45:01am

Oh gosh, the freepers: The end is nigh, Armageddon approacheth!

Complete with images depicting wrath, hellfire, demons, angles cringing…

These people need to get a grip. Seriously.

269 De Kolta Chair  Jun 26, 2015 7:45:05am

re: #262 Franklin

Crap, what the hell did I do wrong now?

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I’m getting the same message. A sign of the end times?

270 Dr. Matt  Jun 26, 2015 7:45:18am

re: #251 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse

Will not look at FB today…

Will not look at FB today…

Will not look at FB today…

The few wingnuts friends I have left are probably derping all over the place.

My FB feed is a mixture of vacation pics and celebratory posts about the decision. You need new friends ;)

271 Sionainn  Jun 26, 2015 7:45:55am

re: #264 The Vicious Babushka

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That man needs some serious psychiatric help.

272 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Jun 26, 2015 7:46:18am

re: #270 Dr. Matt

most of my friends will be happy as well.

Some of my older acquaintances, well…

273 Lidane  Jun 26, 2015 7:46:50am
274 Sionainn  Jun 26, 2015 7:47:01am

re: #269 De Kolta Chair

I’m getting the same message.

I think their server is overloaded.

275 makeitstop  Jun 26, 2015 7:47:27am

So, is there going to be a webcast of that preacher setting himself on fire? Pay per view?

j/k

A momentous day, at the end of a momentous week. Congrats to all my gay-marryin’ friends and everyone across the USA who now have rights they did not have yesterday.

276 GlutenFreeJesus  Jun 26, 2015 7:47:50am

Trolling on FB this morning has been fun too.

277 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Jun 26, 2015 7:47:57am

re: #264 The Vicious Babushka

Has someone hacked Bryan’s account?

278 Dr Lizardo  Jun 26, 2015 7:48:20am

re: #260 ObserverArt

Anyone seeing any locusts?

Hornets?

Crickets?

‘skeeters?

Well, it is humid, so yeah ‘skeeters.

But the rest? Nah.

All the bugs are in Todd Starnes head along with other RWNJs and fundie preacher’s minds.

Locusts you say? Yep - in Russia.

Funny, that.

rt.com

279 Dr. Matt  Jun 26, 2015 7:49:09am

re: #272 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse

most of my friends will be happy as well.

Some of my older acquaintances, well…

I have many Republican friends who are liberal socially and they support this decision. Hell, most of my Republican friends vote GOP only because they were born and raised in Texas….but in reality they are quite liberal on most issues.

280 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Jun 26, 2015 7:49:22am

re: #273 Lidane

They’re all going down to Louisiana or wherever Crunch Con Rod Dreher and his Benedict Galt camporee is.

281 Franklin  Jun 26, 2015 7:49:26am
282 ObserverArt  Jun 26, 2015 7:49:29am

re: #218 HappyWarrior

Scalia needs to remember the USSC once upheld slavery’s legality. I’m in no mood for lectures from him about how Kennedy and the other four destroyed the court’s tradition. Deal with it Tony, we are in the 21st century.

Saclia needs to get bent. If anything his words and behavior show him as the tight-ass partisan jerk he is.

He should step down.

And Judge “me too” Thomas should be right behind him.

283 Eventual Carrion  Jun 26, 2015 7:50:45am

re: #264 The Vicious Babushka

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For Bryan the song “War Pigs” comes to mind.

284 darthstar  Jun 26, 2015 7:50:53am

BJF misquotes Don Mclean

285 Franklin  Jun 26, 2015 7:51:29am
286 Eventual Carrion  Jun 26, 2015 7:52:14am

re: #275 makeitstop

So, is there going to be a webcast of that preacher setting himself on fire? Pay per view?

j/k

A momentous day, at the end of a momentous week. Congrats to all my gay-marryin’ friends and everyone across the USA who now have rights they did not have yesterday.

But when do my wife and I have to get divorced?

287 blueraven  Jun 26, 2015 7:52:46am

re: #281 Franklin

I am quite fearful that there will be violence.

If not today, soon. I can see some small town refusing to issue a marriage license in defiance of this SCOTUS decision. Then what?

288 Franklin  Jun 26, 2015 7:53:24am

re: #287 blueraven

I am quite fearful that there will be violence.

If not today, soon. I can see some small town refusing to issue a marriage license in defiance of this SCOTUS decision. Then what?

Send in the tanks? /half?

289 The Vicious Babushka  Jun 26, 2015 7:53:30am
290 De Kolta Chair  Jun 26, 2015 7:54:13am

re: #274 Sionainn

I think their server is overloaded.

I wonder why that is? ////

291 Franklin  Jun 26, 2015 7:54:44am

STOP EVERYTHING, THIS IS AWESOME:

292 HappyWarrior  Jun 26, 2015 7:54:47am

re: #264 The Vicious Babushka

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Yes Bryan that was the day not Dred Scott.

293 Timothy Watson  Jun 26, 2015 7:54:57am

re: #287 blueraven

I am quite fearful that there will be violence.

If not today, soon. I can see some small town refusing to issue a marriage license in defiance of this SCOTUS decision. Then what?

They get sued.

294 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing  Jun 26, 2015 7:54:58am

re: #289 The Vicious Babushka

From a moral standpoint, 6/26 is now our 9/11.

295 The Vicious Babushka  Jun 26, 2015 7:54:58am
296 Lidane  Jun 26, 2015 7:55:04am
297 OhNoZombies!  Jun 26, 2015 7:55:07am

re: #289 The Vicious Babushka

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That’s really sick.

298 Eventual Carrion  Jun 26, 2015 7:55:13am

re: #289 The Vicious Babushka

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Then jump from the top of a skyscraper Bryan.

299 HappyWarrior  Jun 26, 2015 7:55:43am

re: #289 The Vicious Babushka

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Fuck off seriously Bryan.

300 freetoken  Jun 26, 2015 7:55:53am

From the dissent read by the Chief, here is the money paragraph for the anti-gay politicians, on which they will hammer over and over:

Understand well what this dissent is about: It is not
about whether, in my judgment, the institution of marriage
should be changed to include same-sex couples. It is
instead about whether, in our democratic republic, that
decision should rest with the people acting through their
elected representatives, or with five lawyers who happen
to hold commissions authorizing them to resolve legal
disputes according to law. The Constitution leaves no
doubt about the answer.

This will be the argument (for the ones who want to look educated and try to defend their position, rather than just ranting) used behind TYRANTS IN BLACK ROBES exclamations.

301 lockjawcanbefun  Jun 26, 2015 7:56:45am

I fully expect to see this playing on FoxNews all weekend.

302 The Vicious Babushka  Jun 26, 2015 7:56:52am
303 The Vicious Babushka  Jun 26, 2015 7:57:25am

I made a new Derp collection but the #tcot Derp is coming in so fast, I can’t collect them all.

304 calochortus  Jun 26, 2015 7:57:38am

re: #220 leftynyc

So happy for so many people. Pride Weekend is going to be insane in NYC.

And SF. Nice that the court didn’t wait until Monday.

305 makeitstop  Jun 26, 2015 7:58:18am

re: #302 The Vicious Babushka

June 26, 2015: the day the twin towers of truth and righteousness were blown up by moral jihadists.

Fuckin’ drama queen.

306 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Jun 26, 2015 7:58:54am

re: #300 freetoken

“On the other hand, this healthcare law here, passed by Congress, I have the right as a SCOTUS justice to overrule whatever I want….”

307 darthstar  Jun 26, 2015 7:58:59am
308 ObserverArt  Jun 26, 2015 7:59:15am

re: #230 freetoken

Technically, I think it was the various states’ prohibitions that were struck down. Same end effect.

I was just going with how the NY Times worded it in a story that came up in Google.

By the way, let’s see how Ohio runs with this. We are one of the stodgy states that still has a protection of marriage statute in place.

With Gov. Johnny Kasich trying to get geared up for a GOP presidential run he now finds himself in a real tight spot. He has supported that “marriage is between one man one woman” thinking as he always uses that line when asked.

Ohio has some pretty powerful and political LGBT folks that will be holding his feet to the fire.

I bet there is some sweating going on today in the State Capitol.

I may have to jump in my car and drive the 2 miles to the Capitol downtown. I bet there is a lunch time celebration going on.

309 KerFuFFler  Jun 26, 2015 7:59:38am

I can’t fathom the casuistry of the dissenters. Many religious denominations allow for SSM so how would it NOT be a first amendment violation to disallow such unions? Such a simple argument could not be fought in a straightforward manner, hence the 31 page dissent by Roberts.

310 Franklin  Jun 26, 2015 8:00:33am
311 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Jun 26, 2015 8:00:34am

re: #302 The Vicious Babushka

Said while drool dribbles down Bryan’s chinny chin chin.

312 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Jun 26, 2015 8:02:38am

And yet again, today is a good day. This really does require a thread to swim in the glorious tears of bigots and wingnuts.

313 ObserverArt  Jun 26, 2015 8:04:11am

re: #264 The Vicious Babushka

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What a drama queen.

Emphasis on Queen. Come out Bryan…come out where ever you are!

Wait. I think I heard some rumbling over in that closet…

314 freetoken  Jun 26, 2015 8:04:23am

Another money-shot paragraph by the Chief just begging to be used in campaigns:

Nowhere is the majority’s extravagant conception of
judicial supremacy more evident than in its description—
and dismissal—of the public debate regarding same-sex
marriage. Yes, the majority concedes, on one side are
thousands of years of human history in every society
known to have populated the planet. But on the other
side, there has been “extensive litigation,” “many thoughtful
District Court decisions,” “countless studies, papers,
books, and other popular and scholarly writings,” and
“more than 100” amicus briefs in these cases alone. Ante,
at 9, 10, 23. What would be the point of allowing the
democratic process to go on? It is high time for the Court
to decide the meaning of marriage, based on five lawyers’
“better informed understanding” of “a liberty that remains
urgent in our own era.” Ante, at 19. The answer is surely
there in one of those amicus briefs or studies.

This is the TYRANTS IN BLACK ROBES! argument.

Oh, and Robert’s understanding of “human history” I think is very, very narrow.

315 De Kolta Chair  Jun 26, 2015 8:04:45am

re: #307 darthstar

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I nominate Justice Kennedy to be the next poet laureate!

316 Dr Lizardo  Jun 26, 2015 8:04:55am

re: #312 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance

And yet again, today is a good day. This really does require a thread to swim in the glorious tears of bigots and wingnuts.

Filled with only the finest wingnut tears:

317 darthstar  Jun 26, 2015 8:05:35am

From Scalia’s dissent:

“Really? Who ever thought that intimacy and spirituality [whatever that means] were freedoms? And if intimacy is, one would think Freedom of Intimacy is abridged rather than expanded by marriage. Ask the nearest hippie.”

Ooh…that would be me. Yeah…they’re freedoms man.

318 allegro  Jun 26, 2015 8:06:17am

Having a dinner party this evening so I gotta go shop for food and frozen margarita fixins. Damn, I wanna stay here and play and watch Obama’s statement. But grrrrr…. gotta run.

319 De Kolta Chair  Jun 26, 2015 8:07:28am

re: #314 freetoken

Another money-shot paragraph by the Chief just begging to be used in campaigns:

“In Republics, the great danger is, that the majority may not sufficiently respect the rights of the minority.”

— James Madison

Q.E.D.

320 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Jun 26, 2015 8:08:26am

re: #316 Dr Lizardo

I think we’re gonna need a bigger pool…

321 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Jun 26, 2015 8:08:43am

re: #317 darthstar

From Scalia’s dissent:

Ooh…that would be me. Yeah…they’re freedoms man.

I wonder if Scalia, who just recently lamented that words don’t mean anything, realizes his words will be read for centuries. He sounds like a petulant child.

Also, too, um, this

“Really? Who ever thought that intimacy and spirituality [whatever that means] were freedoms?

Is this The Onion? Seriously? He doesn’t think spirituality is a freedom?

322 freetoken  Jun 26, 2015 8:08:56am

re: #317 darthstar

You can see why the Chief wrote his own dissent. Roberts is measured (if most of us think him wrong) but Scalia is becoming unhinged by these decisions.

323 makeitstop  Jun 26, 2015 8:09:55am

re: #317 darthstar

From Scalia’s dissent:

Ooh…that would be me. Yeah…they’re freedoms man.

Hippie???

Proof positive that Scalia refuses to crawl out of the 20th Century.

324 Dr. Matt  Jun 26, 2015 8:10:18am

Ugh. Just had a coworker comment that he understands Scalia’s view (i.e., threat to American democracy) that rights should be voted on and not decided in courts. SMH.

325 Dr. Matt  Jun 26, 2015 8:11:24am

re: #317 darthstar

From Scalia’s dissent:

Ooh…that would be me. Yeah…they’re freedoms man.

Did Scalia actually use the word “hippie” in his dissent? He’s a fucking embarrassment.

326 ObserverArt  Jun 26, 2015 8:12:05am

I can see why Scalia has a problem with intimacy.

He is one cold unfeeling mo-fo!

327 GlutenFreeJesus  Jun 26, 2015 8:12:05am

The President coming up. OMG they interrupted THE PRICE IS RIGHT!!!!!!!

328 freetoken  Jun 26, 2015 8:12:06am

More Roberts:

Those who founded our country would not recognize the
majority’s conception of the judicial role. They after all
risked their lives and fortunes for the precious right to
govern themselves. They would never have imagined
yielding that right on a question of social policy to unaccountable
and unelected judges
. And they certainly would
not have been satisfied by a system empowering judges to
override policy judgments so long as they do so after “a
quite extensive discussion.” …

But that is just wrong. The Justices are accountable. They can be impeached, Congress has that power.

329 HappyWarrior  Jun 26, 2015 8:12:12am

Scalia is such a tool.

330 darthstar  Jun 26, 2015 8:12:28am

Carthaginians! Kalahari! Aztecs!

331 #FergusonFireside  Jun 26, 2015 8:12:40am
332 darthstar  Jun 26, 2015 8:12:52am

re: #322 freetoken

You can see why the Chief wrote his own dissent. Roberts is measured (if most of us think him wrong) but Scalia is becoming unhinged by these decisions.

Roberts wasn’t much better.

333 Archangelus  Jun 26, 2015 8:13:01am

re: #289 The Vicious Babushka

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Dear Censored Also Censored SERIOUSLY Censored Mr. Fischer:

334 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Jun 26, 2015 8:13:31am

re: #328 freetoken

More Roberts:

But that is just wrong. The Justices are accountable. They can be impeached, Congress has that power.

This response is pretty much boilerplate for any objection to the Civil Rights decisions, etc. SCOTUS shouldn’t do this, need to leave to legislatures, blah blah blah.

335 ObserverArt  Jun 26, 2015 8:13:36am

re: #327 GlutenFreeJesus

The President coming up. OMG they interrupted THE PRICE IS RIGHT!!!!!!!

Thanks for the tip. And it is Thomas Roberts show on MSNBC.

336 Archangelus  Jun 26, 2015 8:13:50am

For the Game of Thrones fans among us:

337 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Jun 26, 2015 8:14:20am

re: #331 #FergusonFireside

Too bad all the doors been done kicked down already.

338 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Jun 26, 2015 8:14:41am

Obama secret Muslim gay is spiking the football!!!11

339 HappyWarrior  Jun 26, 2015 8:14:54am

re: #332 darthstar

Roberts wasn’t much better.

Yeah a lot of whining. Haven’t seen much of Thomas or In Alito’s dissents at all.

340 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Jun 26, 2015 8:15:16am

re: #336 Archangelus

For the Game of Thrones fans among us:

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Many, many updings, if I had the Freedom and Liberty to dispense them.

341 De Kolta Chair  Jun 26, 2015 8:15:17am

re: #317 darthstar

From Scalia’s dissent:

And if intimacy is, one would think Freedom of Intimacy is abridged rather than expanded by marriage. Ask the nearest hippie.

Wavy Gravy, Church of the Cosmic Giggle
342 prairiefire  Jun 26, 2015 8:15:34am

re: #322 freetoken

Maybe he will retire.

343 OhNoZombies!  Jun 26, 2015 8:17:13am

Civil rights are civil rights.
Scalia’s sentiments sound like leftovers from the 1960’s.

Even babies recognize bullshit.
344 ObserverArt  Jun 26, 2015 8:17:19am

Remember when Obama said that all he can do is help try to take that big rock and move it up the hill a bit in his time in office?

I know he isn’t directly involved in this ruling, but the change he made in his own thinking may have helped lead the country.

The rock just moved up the hill the last few days. Quite a lot really.

(And, I just got a little emotional typing that last line. It’s a good day!)

345 calochortus  Jun 26, 2015 8:17:38am

re: #330 darthstar

Carthaginians! Kalahari! Aztecs!

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a.) Lots of polygamy in historical times, so he’s OK with that?

b.) More than half the states didn’t allow same sex marriage? I thought the number allowing it was over 30.

346 b.d.  Jun 26, 2015 8:18:26am

Quit spiking the football!!

This week’s score

77-0

347 Kid A  Jun 26, 2015 8:18:48am

Commenting on Obama’s “thunderbolt” phrase: Laura Ingraham- “I wouldn’t say thunderbolt if I were you.”

348 Sionainn  Jun 26, 2015 8:18:52am

re: #285 Franklin

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LOL. I can picture Joe Biden actually doing this.

349 Kid A  Jun 26, 2015 8:19:12am

re: #346 b.d.

Quit spiking the football!!

This week’s score

77-0

At halftime.

350 freetoken  Jun 26, 2015 8:19:59am

For all of Roberts erudition, his arguments strike me something a judge would write in the 19th century, about slavery, or women voting, etc. He is being more strict of a constructionist, or is pretending to be, than I would have thought. So much of his writing in the dissent strikes me as posturing for politicians to act, regarding “unelected” judges, or traditional religious rights, etc.

He refuses to acknowledge the explicitly discriminatory intent of the state laws against SSM. He also seems too quiet on an impending unsustainable differentiation between SSM couples married legally in some states but not others, as these people relocate during their lives.

351 Dr Lizardo  Jun 26, 2015 8:20:40am

re: #323 makeitstop

Hippie???

Proof positive that Scalia refuses to crawl out of the 20th Century B.C. .

FTFY

352 CuriousLurker  Jun 26, 2015 8:23:21am

re: #325 Dr. Matt

Did Scalia actually use the word “hippie” in his dissent? He’s a fucking embarrassment.

Yes, he did (page 8).

353 Sionainn  Jun 26, 2015 8:24:17am

re: #324 Dr. Matt

Ugh. Just had a coworker comment that he understands Scalia’s view (i.e., threat to American democracy) that rights should be voted on and not decided in courts. SMH.

Just smile and say, “That’s nice.”

354 teleskiguy  Jun 26, 2015 8:24:48am
355 Franklin  Jun 26, 2015 8:25:30am

re: #336 Archangelus

For the Game of Thrones fans among us:

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The Fischer picture looks like Dana Carvey doing John McLaughlin on SNL.

WRONG, NEXT ISSUE!!!

356 CuriousLurker  Jun 26, 2015 8:26:37am

Did anyone post this opening to his dissent?

JUSTICE SCALIA, with whom JUSTICE THOMAS joins, dissenting.

I join THE CHIEF JUSTICE’s opinion in full. I write separately to call attention to this Court’s threat to American democracy.

He’s validating the wingnut view.

357 Franklin  Jun 26, 2015 8:26:54am

For those (like me) that missed the Presidents address, here it is:

Until edited, it starts at 39:48

358 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Jun 26, 2015 8:30:00am

My prediction was correct!

359 BeachDem  Jun 26, 2015 8:30:30am

re: #207 Dr. Matt

I fucking hate this man

And if there were only one reason to vote for a Democratic President in 2016, it is to keep from putting another Scalia on the Supreme Court. Period. Paragraph.

360 Slap  Jun 26, 2015 8:31:05am

re: #267 Iwouldprefernotto

Actually, that song is a wingnut’s cry for help. McLean himself has said he wrote it as a response to the moral decay he saw in the Stones, Dylan and the advance of rock-n-roll.

I mean, how braindead does one have to be to believe that music after the death of one (admittedly brilliant) perfromer was worthless? That nothing that came after had value? I spit on that idea.

(Sorry for that rant — I have come to loathe that song and what it represents for a long time now, and it GRATES every time I hear it….grrrrr…..)

But….regarding the last couple of days of SCOTUS decisions:

HELL YEAH!!!!!

361 freetoken  Jun 26, 2015 8:31:09am

Looking at the dissents, I am struck about how four older men are very much now isolated from the mainstream of American society. Their dissents intentionally ignore many issues surround gays in our society and the nature of so much anti-SSM politics.

I guess this is not a new thing for the USSC to be full of justices who are decades behind. But it does go to show how important each federal election is, because the President and the Senate put those justices in there.

For all the cries of “democracy” by the dissenters, an irony given that some of them seem to dislike democracy at times, the practical problem of having some states do SSM and other states not recognizing said marriages illustrates quite clearly why the piecemeal (state by state) “democracy” can’t work in this case - Americans move all the time, and their marriages ought to be able to move with them.

362 TedStriker  Jun 26, 2015 8:32:15am

re: #356 CuriousLurker

Did anyone post this opening to his dissent?

He’s validating the wingnut view.

ACTIVIST JUDGES!!! TYRANTS IN BLACK ROBES!!!

*retches*

363 Eventual Carrion  Jun 26, 2015 8:32:32am

re: #302 The Vicious Babushka

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And for everyone who had family or friends die on 9/11 a hearty FUCK YOU BRYAN.

364 #FergusonFireside  Jun 26, 2015 8:32:45am

Also, too. California doesn’t count.

lol what a weird fuck.

365 lawhawk  Jun 26, 2015 8:32:52am

The more things change, the more they remain the same. The right wing remains locked in to the same mindset that refuses to accept that gay marriage is law of the land - that equal protection under the law applies to marriage (or going back - to interracial relations, sexual relations behind closed doors, to segregation, etc.)

They still want to impose their religious views on everyone else ignoring the 1A and all that it encompasses.

366 calochortus  Jun 26, 2015 8:32:59am

I see Ravelry ( a big knitting and other fiber-y things website) is flying the rainbow flag on their logo :) Apparently they planned it for the weekend in honor of the Stonewall riots, but went with it a day early.

Not all the members are thrilled, but it skews heavily toward approval.

367 Interesting Times  Jun 26, 2015 8:33:08am

re: #330 darthstar

Carthaginians! Kalahari! Aztecs!

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RESPECT MARITUL TRADITIONS!!!1!1!

Image: biblemarriage.jpg

368 darthstar  Jun 26, 2015 8:33:11am

Pretty cool video of an eel not getting his calamari

369 Eclectic Cyborg  Jun 26, 2015 8:33:21am

re: #301 lockjawcanbefun

I fully expect to see this playing on FoxNews all weekend.

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Interesting tidbit about that. When doing research for the movie the Gremlins 2 producers and writers visited several real life news networks, at least one of which actually HAD a video like that ready to go at a moments notice. They thought that was odd/kind of cool so they put it in the movie.

370 Archangelus  Jun 26, 2015 8:34:51am

re: #363 Eventual Carrion

And for everyone who had family or friends die on 9/11 a hearty FUCK YOU BRYAN.

I knew and worked with too many people who were murdered that day.
As such, stating “fuck you” to that deranged, delusional, heartless, satanic, piss-poor excuse of a fraction of a human being just doesn’t come anywhere near appropriate..

371 makeitstop  Jun 26, 2015 8:36:14am

re: #360 Slap

Actually, that song is a wingnut’s cry for help. McLean himself has said he wrote it as a response to the moral decay he saw in the Stones, Dylan and the advance of rock-n-roll.

I mean, how braindead does one have to be to believe that music after the death of one (admittedly brilliant) perfromer was worthless? That nothing that came after had value? I spit on that idea.

(Sorry for that rant — I have come to loathe that song and what it represents for a long time now, and it GRATES every time I hear it….grrrrr…..)

But….regarding the last couple of days of SCOTUS decisions:

HELL YEAH!!!!!

My reason for hating that song are a little more visceral - I burned out on it totally after about the 500th time I heard it on the radio.

When I hear ‘A long, long time ago…’ come out of the speakers, I cannot switch the station fast enough.

372 darthstar  Jun 26, 2015 8:38:14am
373 Franklin  Jun 26, 2015 8:38:20am
374 Eventual Carrion  Jun 26, 2015 8:39:52am

re: #334 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse

This response is pretty much boilerplate for any objection to the Civil Rights decisions, etc. SCOTUS shouldn’t do this, need to leave to legislatures, blah blah blah.

Until the legislature does something the RWNJ don’t like, then it should go to the supreme court. Deranged, self centered morons.

375 Higgs Boson's Mate  Jun 26, 2015 8:39:55am

Now that the legal challenges to the ACA and to SSM have been settled and the Confederate flag is beginning to come down, Republican presidential candidates will:

A) Say that the courts and the majority of the people have spoken and move on to their detailed proposals for governing.

B) Make a series of butthurt speeches larded heavily with, “should have, would have, could have,” and plenty of conciliatory language for the bigots and fundies while swearing that they alone can and will undo everything accomplished during the past few days.

376 OhNoZombies!  Jun 26, 2015 8:42:21am

re: #375 Higgs Boson’s Mate

Now that the legal challenges to the ACA and to SSM have been settled and the Confederate flag is beginning to come down, Republican presidential candidates will:

A) Say that the courts and the majority of the people have spoken and move on to their detailed proposals for governing.

B) Make a series of butthurt speeches larded heavily with, “should have, would have, could have,” and plenty of conciliatory language for the bigots and fundies while swearing that they alone can and will undo everything accomplished during the past few days.

B…just B.

377 TedStriker  Jun 26, 2015 8:42:43am

re: #375 Higgs Boson’s Mate

Now that the legal challenges to the ACA and to SSM have been settled and the Confederate flag is beginning to come down, Republican presidential candidates will:

A) Say that the courts and the majority of the people have spoken and move on to their detailed proposals for governing.

B) Make a series of butthurt speeches larded heavily with, “should have, would have, could have,” and plenty of conciliatory language for the bigots and fundies while swearing that they alone can and will undo everything accomplished during the past few days.

I’m guessing there’s gonna be a lot more of Option B than Option A, unfortunately.

378 Archangelus  Jun 26, 2015 8:43:28am

re: #371 makeitstop

My reason for hating that song are a little more visceral - I burned out on it totally after about the 500th time I heard it on the radio.

When I hear ‘A long, long time ago…’ come out of the speakers, I cannot switch the station fast enough.

Got tired of hearing it several hundred times growing up in the 90s, thankfully this take has served as a pleasant mental replacement:

379 HappyWarrior  Jun 26, 2015 8:43:46am

re: #375 Higgs Boson’s Mate

Now that the legal challenges to the ACA and to SSM have been settled and the Confederate flag is beginning to come down, Republican presidential candidates will:

A) Say that the courts and the majority of the people have spoken and move on to their detailed proposals for governing.

B) Make a series of butthurt speeches larded heavily with, “should have, would have, could have,” and plenty of conciliatory language for the bigots and fundies while swearing that they alone can and will undo everything accomplished during the past few days.

B sadly.

380 freetoken  Jun 26, 2015 8:44:13am

The flow of derp is going to be mighty today. It will take a couple of hours until the clownz all fight for time to be heard on this issue. It will take days until all the pundits fully run their rants.

But, at least the confederate flag issue is now off the clownz plate, which is relief for them.

381 HappyWarrior  Jun 26, 2015 8:44:49am

I don’t mind the McKean tune but I hate the idea that there is no good new music. Absolute crap.

382 Dr Lizardo  Jun 26, 2015 8:45:19am

Bill Buckley once said that conservatism was standing athwart history and yelling, stop!

Well, history just done run their asses over. Hell - it didn’t even notice them standing there yelling “Stop!”

383 Targetpractice  Jun 26, 2015 8:45:37am

re: #375 Higgs Boson’s Mate

Now that the legal challenges to the ACA and to SSM have been settled and the Confederate flag is beginning to come down, Republican presidential candidates will:

A) Say that the courts and the majority of the people have spoken and move on to their detailed proposals for governing.

B) Make a series of butthurt speeches larded heavily with, “should have, would have, could have,” and plenty of conciliatory language for the bigots and fundies while swearing that they alone can and will undo everything accomplished during the past few days.

C) Rant and rave about the “unelected” nature of the judiciary, while making empty promises of retaliation against those justices who violated the “morals” of America and replacing them with justices who will rule on theological/conservative grounds rather than ones that have anything to do with the actual law.

384 teleskiguy  Jun 26, 2015 8:45:59am
385 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Jun 26, 2015 8:46:07am

re: #382 Dr Lizardo

Bill Buckley once said that conservatism was standing athwart history and yelling, stop!

Well, history just done run their asses over. Hell - it didn’t even notice them standing there yelling “Stop!”

Mad Max meets the American right wing.

386 #FergusonFireside  Jun 26, 2015 8:46:42am
387 GlutenFreeJesus  Jun 26, 2015 8:47:32am
388 CuriousLurker  Jun 26, 2015 8:47:39am

I predict a mass exodus of wingnuts this weekend:

389 Dr Lizardo  Jun 26, 2015 8:49:10am

re: #388 CuriousLurker

I predict a mass exodus of wingnuts this weekend

Well, among the wingnuts who haven’t committed mass suicide as a result of this SCOTUS ruling, that is.

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390 HappyWarrior  Jun 26, 2015 8:49:20am

re: #387 GlutenFreeJesus

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No comment from the others too. Fuck this guy for thinking Obama sides with terrorists.

391 HappyWarrior  Jun 26, 2015 8:50:54am

They got rid of three strikes by 8-1 too.

392 freetoken  Jun 26, 2015 8:51:33am
393 Romantic Heretic  Jun 26, 2015 8:52:00am

re: #300 freetoken

Why didn’t he just say, “I quit. I don’t believe the Supreme Court serves any useful purpose.”

394 CuriousLurker  Jun 26, 2015 8:52:03am

Excellent point. Ouch.

395 HappyWarrior  Jun 26, 2015 8:52:52am

re: #392 freetoken

Chuck Todd (yeah, him) declares:

A Conservative Backlash To Court Rulings Is Coming. Bet On It.

Oh yeah? Bring it on assholes.

396 Sionainn  Jun 26, 2015 8:53:19am

re: #394 CuriousLurker

Excellent point. Ouch.

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WTF?

397 freetoken  Jun 26, 2015 8:53:31am

Chuck Todd sez:

There’s anger and fight.

News for you Chuck Todd - the religious right is always angry and it is always fighting.

398 HappyWarrior  Jun 26, 2015 8:54:30am

re: #394 CuriousLurker

Excellent point. Ouch.

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Because he’s a spineless right wing hack. Sad that the only judge on the court who sees daily the court’s decision was right about Loving is the most backass backwards to LGBT folks.

399 piratedan  Jun 26, 2015 8:54:30am

re: #392 freetoken

and Chuck will be there, his lips planted firmly on the asses of those brave microphone warriors…

400 Higgs Boson's Mate  Jun 26, 2015 8:54:56am

re: #392 freetoken

Chuck Todd (yeah, him) declares:

A Conservative Backlash To Court Rulings Is Coming. Bet On It.

Todd gets paid for these insights?

401 HappyWarrior  Jun 26, 2015 8:54:56am

re: #397 freetoken

Chuck Todd sez:

News for you Chuck Todd - the religious right is always angry and it is always fighting.

Yep it has always been like this.

402 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Jun 26, 2015 8:55:55am

re: #400 Higgs Boson’s Mate

Todd gets paid for these insights?

Big light in sky rises in east. — His next analysis.

403 calochortus  Jun 26, 2015 8:55:58am

re: #394 CuriousLurker

Excellent point. Ouch.

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That’s different. Totally different. Or something.

404 GlutenFreeJesus  Jun 26, 2015 8:56:54am

re: #397 freetoken

If only they would get this mad about the rampant child molestation in the Catholic church.

405 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Jun 26, 2015 8:57:38am

re: #404 GlutenFreeJesus

If only they would get this mad about the rampant child molestation in the Catholic church.

Or in the Duggar family.

406 freetoken  Jun 26, 2015 8:57:41am

Worldview Collapse probably hit a tipping point today.

This SSM ruling, like the Confederate flag thingy, is going to move the politics of American political parties. There are many gay-friendly Republicans, even if they are not the big names on the nomination circuit.

Eventually, if the religious right keeps trying to push the GOP towards theocracy, I expect what will happen in many states is what happened here in California.

At one time the GOP was important in statewide California politics. Then the religious right ran out of it the libertines, and now the GOP here has almost no say at the state level.

407 Higgs Boson's Mate  Jun 26, 2015 8:59:14am

re: #397 freetoken

Chuck Todd sez:

News for you Chuck Todd - the religious right is always angry and it is always fighting.

The religious right only fights with those who disagree with its cherry-picked version of scripture - IOW everyone but the religious right.

408 gwangung  Jun 26, 2015 9:00:03am

re: #324 Dr. Matt

Ugh. Just had a coworker comment that he understands Scalia’s view (i.e., threat to American democracy) that rights should be voted on and not decided in courts. SMH.

Japanese Americans say, “FUCK HIM.” At 120 decibels.

And you know how stoic us Asian types are.

409 ObserverArt  Jun 26, 2015 9:00:53am

re: #375 Higgs Boson’s Mate

Now that the legal challenges to the ACA and to SSM have been settled and the Confederate flag is beginning to come down, Republican presidential candidates will:

A) Say that the courts and the majority of the people have spoken and move on to their detailed proposals for governing.

B) Make a series of butthurt speeches larded heavily with, “should have, would have, could have,” and plenty of conciliatory language for the bigots and fundies while swearing that they alone can and will undo everything accomplished during the past few days.

You know what I think happens with decisions like this. It opens the way for someone who always went along with the dominate personality in a family or group of friends or associates to say what they think.

I think there are a lot of people that go along with the loudmouth on tough political/social issues to not rock the boat. Now that the boat is rocked they can breathe a bit more freely and express themselves.

I bet polls will show dramatic changes in both the ACA and Gay Marriage now that they can feel they have some backing to speak up.

410 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Jun 26, 2015 9:02:11am

re: #406 freetoken

Worldview Collapse probably hit a tipping point today.

This SSM ruling, like the Confederate flag thingy, is going to move the politics of American political parties. There are many gay-friendly Republicans, even if they are not the big names on the nomination circuit.

Eventually, if the religious right keeps trying to push the GOP towards theocracy, I expect what will happen in many states is what happened here in California.

At one time the GOP was important in statewide California politics. Then the religious right ran out of it the libertines, and now the GOP here has almost no say at the state level.

I expect the most extreme members of the GOP will continue to rail against the ACA and SSM, even as it is clear both are lost causes now (heh). If the GOP leadership doesn’t follow along, we may see a split in the national GOP as the extremists leave in disgust.

411 Blind Frog Belly White  Jun 26, 2015 9:02:58am

If your happiness depends on denying others the right to the same thing you have, and you think that’s what your god wants, all I can say is, “Puny god.”

412 HappyWarrior  Jun 26, 2015 9:03:34am

re: #411 Blind Frog Belly White

If your happiness depends on denying others the right to the same thing you have, and you think that’s what your god wants, all I can say is, “Puny god.”

No kidding.

413 CuriousLurker  Jun 26, 2015 9:03:45am

re: #396 Sionainn

WTF?

This is their beef WRT Loving, emphasis added:

In Loving, the Court held that racial restrictions on the right to marry lacked a compelling justification. In Zablocki, restrictions based on child support debts did not suffice. In Turner, restrictions based on status as a prisoner were deemed impermissible.

None of the laws at issue in those cases purported to change the core definition of marriage as the union of a man and a woman. The laws challenged in Zablocki and Turner did not define marriage as “the union of a man and a woman, where neither party owes child support or is in prison.” Nor did the interracial marriage ban at issue in Loving define marriage as “the union of a man and a woman of the same race.” See Tragen, Comment, Statutory Prohibitions Against Interracial Marriage, 32 Cal. L. Rev. 269 (1944) (“at common law there was no ban on interracial marriage”); post, at 11-12, n. 5 (THOMAS, J., dissenting). Removing racial barriers to marriage therefore did not change what a marriage was any more than integrating schools changed what a school was. As the majority admits, the institution of “marriage” discussed in every one of these cases “presumed a relationship involving opposite-sex partners.” Ante, at 11.

That last bit about removing racial barriers not changing what marriage was? I’ll bet if you ask white supremacists and sundry other racists, they’d beg to vehemently disagree.

414 Franklin  Jun 26, 2015 9:04:14am
415 plansbandc  Jun 26, 2015 9:05:19am

I am so very very happy. What a week!

416 HappyWarrior  Jun 26, 2015 9:06:32am

re: #413 CuriousLurker

This is their beef WRT Loving, emphasis added:

That last bit about removing racial barriers not changing what marriage was? I’ll bet if you ask white supremacists and sundry other racists, they’d beg to vehemently disagree.

Hell inter faith marriages even between Christians was frowned on and still is in some quarters. Revisionist bs.

417 Franklin  Jun 26, 2015 9:06:47am
418 BeachDem  Jun 26, 2015 9:07:11am

Dear Bryan Fischer—a more appropriate song for today would be:

It’s the End of the World (as we know it)
AND I FEEL FINE!

419 Dr. Matt  Jun 26, 2015 9:08:11am

But, to be clear, Obama is no different from Bush.

420 Targetpractice  Jun 26, 2015 9:08:15am

re: #400 Higgs Boson’s Mate

Todd gets paid for these insights?

Oh, I’ve no doubt he’s right. Look for the return of “Sanctity of Marriage” amendments, as well as Republicans at the state and local levels looking for ways to restrict or totally block access to marriage licenses for gay couples.

421 ObserverArt  Jun 26, 2015 9:08:29am

re: #400 Higgs Boson’s Mate

Todd gets paid for these insights?

Hopefully not for long.

He stepped in it big last week. I think any more days like last Sunday and he will be gone. NBC is struggling for ratings and they took a major media hit because of The Chuck. That won’t happen too many more times.

422 CuriousLurker  Jun 26, 2015 9:08:44am

re: #413 CuriousLurker

This is their beef WRT Loving, emphasis added:

That last bit about removing racial barriers not changing what marriage was? I’ll bet if you ask white supremacists and sundry other racists, they’d beg to vehemently disagree.

That’s from page 16 of Roberts’ dissent, BTW (page 55 of the entire document). Here’s the PDF in case anyone missed it earlier

423 HappyWarrior  Jun 26, 2015 9:09:32am

re: #420 Targetpractice

Oh, I’ve no doubt he’s right. Look for the return of “Sanctity of Marriage” amendments, as well as Republicans at the state and local levels looking for ways to restrict or totally block access to marriage licenses for gay couples.

Oh yeah for certain. I actually expect Republicans to grow even more bigoted on the subject much like the segregationists did post Brown.

424 Franklin  Jun 26, 2015 9:09:34am

Is writing in parenthetical comments as part of an opinion a thing? I don’t read many of these but it just seems, amateurish. Parenthetical citations are fine, but this looks like lazy writing.

425 Archangelus  Jun 26, 2015 9:09:59am

re: #422 CuriousLurker

That’s from page 16 of Roberts’ dissent, BTW (page 55 of the entire document). Here’s the PDF in case anyone missed it earlier

Thanks but nope, once was enough!

426 #FergusonFireside  Jun 26, 2015 9:10:03am

GeorgeTakei is on the phone w/ CNN. He is wonderful!

427 Dr Lizardo  Jun 26, 2015 9:10:39am

re: #423 HappyWarrior

Oh yeah for certain. I actually expect Republicans to grow even more bigoted on the subject much like the segregationists did post Brown.

BOLO for Alabama Supreme Court Chief Justice Roy Moore - if there’s anyone liable to do something completely stupid, it’ll be him.

I guarandamntee it.

428 Higgs Boson's Mate  Jun 26, 2015 9:11:52am

The SSM ruling doesn’t automatically open the door to gay marriage in all 50 states. You just know that there will be dozens state and local officials in some regions who will do everything that they can to forestall same sex couples from getting legally married.

The slapping will go on for months.

429 Targetpractice  Jun 26, 2015 9:12:30am

re: #423 HappyWarrior

Oh yeah for certain. I actually expect Republicans to grow even more bigoted on the subject much like the segregationists did post Brown.

This was a Brown v. Board moment for this court, a major ruling that will have far-reaching consequences on our civil rights. This isn’t the end, it’s not even the beginning of the end. It is, perhaps, the end of the beginning.

430 Archangelus  Jun 26, 2015 9:12:38am

re: #424 Franklin

Is writing in parenthetical comments as part of an opinion a thing? I don’t read many of these but it just seems, amateurish. Parenthetical citations are fine, but this looks like lazy writing.

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Hey Scalia, dude, like, bite me! /TickedOffCalifornian

431 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Jun 26, 2015 9:12:43am

re: #419 Dr. Matt

But, to be clear, Obama is no different from Bush.

And court rulings, such as we’ve had the past two days, mean nothing as long as NSA SPYING!!!!!!1

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432 Targetpractice  Jun 26, 2015 9:13:32am

re: #428 Higgs Boson’s Mate

The SSM ruling doesn’t automatically open the door to gay marriage in all 50 states. You just know that there will be dozens state and local officials in some regions who will do everything that they can to forestall same sex couples from getting legally married.

The slapping will go on for months.

Months? You’re overly optimistic. I expect us to spend years just getting through all the various and sundry legal attempts to revive the bans and restrict access to marriage licenses for same-sex couples.

433 b.d.  Jun 26, 2015 9:13:45am

The GOP debates should be more interesting now. Now they can have a entire portion devoted to Supreme Court rulings they want overturned.

434 freetoken  Jun 26, 2015 9:14:01am

re: #410 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

I expect the most extreme members of the GOP will continue to rail against the ACA and SSM, even as it is clear both are lost causes now (heh). If the GOP leadership doesn’t follow along, we may see a split in the national GOP as the extremists leave in disgust.

Yes, like the great lost cause of the South, I too believe health care provisions by the government (in some form) as well as same sex marriage are full expectation of our society.

I’m waiting for the first GOP Faux News “debate”. Certainly front and center (unless something else big happens) will be gay marriage and screams of religious liberty.

But that dog won’t hunt, for the post baby-boomers.

Now, for some reason a Republican might end up being President, especially if the Dem candidate has a major scandal.

But I do think the big picture is clear, and in fact that is why the likes of Fischer and Huckabee and the rest cry out the way they do. They know the score, and they also know they can make a $ by working the backward marks for religio-political messages.

435 Higgs Boson's Mate  Jun 26, 2015 9:16:20am

re: #433 b.d.

The GOP debates should be more interesting now. Now they can have a entire portion devoted to Supreme Court rulings they want overturned.

The candidates are thrilled to be able to talk about anything other than their specific plans for addressing the nation’s challenges.

436 freetoken  Jun 26, 2015 9:17:14am

Neat chart, and it shows the momentum:

Same-Sex Marriage: From 0 To 100 Percent, In One Chart

437 iossarian  Jun 26, 2015 9:17:19am

re: #434 freetoken

Eric Erickson pivoted immediately to “now we must ensure that hotels can bar gay people from entering without fear of reprisals”.

438 ObserverArt  Jun 26, 2015 9:19:25am

re: #431 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse

And court rulings, such as we’ve had the past two days, mean nothing as long as NSA SPYING!!!!!!1

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Heh. Your comment just reminded me of one person.

Glenn Greenwald.

I wonder how he is going to spin this.

439 freetoken  Jun 26, 2015 9:19:53am

Mississippi (surprised?) is the first to try to lunge backwards:

Mississippi Attorney General Jim Hood: Gay Marriages Cannot Take Place Immediately in State

Just a headline though… waiting for story.

440 Targetpractice  Jun 26, 2015 9:19:56am

re: #433 b.d.

The GOP debates should be more interesting now. Now they can have a entire portion devoted to Supreme Court rulings they want overturned.

This week has completely upended the GOP’s game-plan with respect to the debates and the general election itself. As I saw noted time and again in 2012, the GOP does not want the subject to be social issues, because it’s a loser for them in the long run. They’d rather be talking the economy (where they can bullshit about taxes), foreign policy (where they can bullshit about war), or energy (where they can bullshit about oil).

441 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Jun 26, 2015 9:20:21am

re: #434 freetoken

But I do think the big picture is clear, and in fact that is why the likes of Fischer and Huckabee and the rest cry out the way they do. They know the score, and they also know they can make a $ by working the backward marks for religio-political messages.

For sure, the RW will continue to churn out tomes of outrage and predictions of the fall of the nation for many years still. But once SSM becomes a mundane thing, and affordable health care becomes the norm, their audience will dwindle away. Only the theocrats and the hoveround crowd will be left to listen to them.

But fear not! They still have immigration, sharia law, abortion, evolution, sex ed, historical revisionism, and other stuff to beat with a stick to sell books with.

442 teleskiguy  Jun 26, 2015 9:20:27am

Here comes the nullification talk.

443 CuriousLurker  Jun 26, 2015 9:21:25am
UPDATE Gay marriages under way in states where they were banned

Associated Press
Posted: 06/26/2015 08:32:47 AM PDT
Updated: 06/26/2015 09:04:47 AM PDT

WASHINGTON — The Latest on the Supreme Court’s ruling on same-sex marriage. (All times Eastern)

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11:40 a.m.

Gay marriages are already underway in states where they were banned until the Supreme Court ruling Friday.

Several gay couples have received marriage licenses in Atlanta since the decision came out. One of those couples, Petrina Bloodworth and Emma Foulkes, were wed in a morning ceremony and are the first same-sex couple to be married in Georgia’s Fulton County. So says court clerk James Brock.

In Travis County, Texas, Gena Dawson and Charlotte Rutherford were the first same-sex couple in the state to receive a marriage license, within two hours of the ruling.

As well, a same-sex marriage license has been issued in Arkansas, another state that banned gay marriage until the Supreme Court weighed in. This was in Faulkner County, almost immediately after the ruling came out. […]

444 Higgs Boson's Mate  Jun 26, 2015 9:21:54am

re: #442 teleskiguy

Here comes the nullification talk.

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That didn’t take long.

445 Eventual Carrion  Jun 26, 2015 9:22:26am

re: #439 freetoken

Mississippi (surprised?) is the first to try to lunge backwards:

Mississippi Attorney General Jim Hood: Gay Marriages Cannot Take Place Immediately in State

Just a headline though… waiting for story.

Well they were the last to give up slavery also.

446 makeitstop  Jun 26, 2015 9:22:49am

re: #442 teleskiguy

Here comes the nullification talk.

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Like clockwork. Predictable as fuck.

447 Targetpractice  Jun 26, 2015 9:23:21am

re: #442 teleskiguy

Here comes the nullification talk.

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No surprise, I imagine we’re going to be seeing a lot of this today. The watch is on to see who will pull the “George Wallace in the schoolhouse door” moment.

448 CuriousLurker  Jun 26, 2015 9:24:03am

re: #442 teleskiguy

Here comes the nullification talk.

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Oops, too late—Travis County already issued at least one (see my #443).

449 b.d.  Jun 26, 2015 9:24:22am

re: #431 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse

And court rulings, such as we’ve had the past two days, mean nothing as long as NSA SPYING!!!!!!1

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Didn’t Greenwald claim that the only reason he lived in Brazil was because the USA didn’t have marriage equality?

450 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Jun 26, 2015 9:24:25am

re: #443 CuriousLurker

re: #442 teleskiguy

I guess the clerk in Travis County didn’t get the Texas state AG’s memo, or chose to ignore it.

Obedezco pero no cumplo.

451 freetoken  Jun 26, 2015 9:24:45am

re: #447 Targetpractice

But a county clerk doesn’t have to do what the state AG says, yes? The county clerks are locally elected officials, not part of the TX state employment.

452 Franklin  Jun 26, 2015 9:25:03am
453 b.d.  Jun 26, 2015 9:25:37am

re: #442 teleskiguy

Here comes the nullification talk.

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State law is above the Supreme Court?

Our Einstein AG said that?

454 ObserverArt  Jun 26, 2015 9:25:40am

Thomas Roberts had Steve Kornacki (?) read a statement from Marco Rubio and Steve said he thought this would be the Republican position here on out,

Rubio said he disagreed with the decision but said this is a land of law and the law is now on the side of same sex marriage equality.

What else can the Republicans do in a big election? They put themselves in a big box. They now have to cut their way back out. There will many cuts to each other and the party as they try to get out of the box.

455 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Jun 26, 2015 9:25:51am

re: #451 freetoken

But a county clerk doesn’t have to do what the state AG says, yes? The county clerks are locally elected officials, not part of the TX state employment.

And maybe the Travis County clerk realizes what an idiot the AG is.

456 Lidane  Jun 26, 2015 9:26:12am

I am happily bereft of all fucks to give to the bigots today.

The Confederate flag is in decline in the South. Gay rights, fair housing, and healthcare all won at SCOTUS. All of this happened in the same week. I NEVER thought I’d live to see a week like this one.

My soundtrack at work:

I can’t stop smiling today. It’s Morning in America, just not in the way the bigots wanted it. :D

457 CuriousLurker  Jun 26, 2015 9:26:23am

re: #451 freetoken

But a county clerk doesn’t have to do what the state AG says, yes? The county clerks are locally elected officials, not part of the TX state employment.

I would sooooo LMAO if the clerks started revolting.

458 b.d.  Jun 26, 2015 9:26:57am

re: #450 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

I guess the clerk in Travis County didn’t get the Texas state AG’s memo, or chose to ignore it.

Obedezco pero no cumplo.

Travis County law supersedes AG’s memo.

//

459 teleskiguy  Jun 26, 2015 9:27:45am

re: #448 CuriousLurker

Oops, too late—Travis County already issued at least one (see my #443).

Like California isn’t part of the west, Travis County isn’t part of Texas.

:-P

460 Targetpractice  Jun 26, 2015 9:28:23am

re: #454 ObserverArt

Thomas Roberts had Steve Kornacki (?) read a statement from Marco Rubio and Steve said he thought this would be the Republican position here on out,

Rubio said he disagreed with the decision but said this is a land of law and the law is now on the side of same sex marriage equality.

What else can the Republicans do in a big election? They put themselves in a big box. They now have to cut their way back out. There will many cuts to each other and the party as they try to get out of the box.

That position won’t last long. It just won’t. The base will demand “something” be done and Marco will have to promise them “something” or else his numbers will take a tumble. It’s like immigration, he might have earned points in the general over his old position, but the new one is set to win the primaries.

461 freetoken  Jun 26, 2015 9:28:40am

Paxton made his initial statement yesterday warning the clerks:

theeagle.com

I suspect many clerks will just ignore him.

462 ObserverArt  Jun 26, 2015 9:29:43am

re: #442 teleskiguy

Here comes the nullification talk.

Breaking News Feed @PzFeed

Texas attorney general orders clerks NOT to issue Gay marriage licenses. Says state law is above Supreme Court.

11:45 AM - 26 Jun 2015

SEND IN THE TROOPS!!!

Oh wait, They are.

Jade Helm just got a lot more interesting. Not that it wasn’t before…

463 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Jun 26, 2015 9:30:40am

re: #461 freetoken

Paxton made his initial statement yesterday warning the clerks:

theeagle.com

I suspect many clerks will just ignore him.

And wisely so. They’re not going to tell the people who elect them that the SCOTUS ruling is invalid, and state law is supreme. It’s political suicide.

464 Eventual Carrion  Jun 26, 2015 9:30:45am

re: #442 teleskiguy

Here comes the nullification talk.

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I hope they get buried in civil law suits.

465 b.d.  Jun 26, 2015 9:31:06am

re: #451 freetoken

But a county clerk doesn’t have to do what the state AG says, yes? The county clerks are locally elected officials, not part of the TX state employment.

Fed trumps state, unless the Texas legislature passed a bill last month stating otherwise.

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466 freetoken  Jun 26, 2015 9:31:19am

Recommend you read that Paxton message - it’s full on religious right screed, just avoids the word “God”.

467 ObserverArt  Jun 26, 2015 9:31:25am

re: #460 Targetpractice

That position won’t last long. It just won’t. The base will demand “something” be done and Marco will have to promise them “something” or else his numbers will take a tumble. It’s like immigration, he might have earned points in the general over his old position, but the new one is set to win the primaries.

Agreed. That is why I said there would be much cutting and bleeding.

I bet there are some major panic attacks going on in the Republican National Party headquarters.

468 Ian G.  Jun 26, 2015 9:32:07am

re: #264 The Vicious Babushka

Emo Bryan Fischer. Also, quoting rock and roll? Devil music?

469 Franklin  Jun 26, 2015 9:32:17am
470 ObserverArt  Jun 26, 2015 9:32:40am

re: #456 Lidane

I am happily bereft of all fucks to give to the bigots today.

The Confederate flag is in decline in the South. Gay rights, fair housing, and healthcare all won at SCOTUS. All of this happened in the same week. I NEVER thought I’d live to see a week like this one.

My soundtrack at work:

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I can’t stop smiling today. It’s Morning in America, just not in the way the bigots wanted it. :D

What is the mood like with your coworkers?

471 Targetpractice  Jun 26, 2015 9:32:40am

re: #467 ObserverArt

Agreed. That is why I said there would be much cutting and bleeding.

I bet there are some major panic attacks going on in the Republican National Party headquarters.

Oh, without a doubt. They have to figure out now how to square the circle, how to stay true to their “NO GAY MARRIAGE!” pledge while at the same time avoiding scaring off…well, virtually everybody outside their ever-shrinking base.

472 freetoken  Jun 26, 2015 9:32:58am

Paxton:

“Displays of hate and intolerance against people of faith should be denounced by all people of good will and spark concern among anyone who believes in religious liberty and freedom for all.

He gets a full martyrdom cookie for that one.

473 Lidane  Jun 26, 2015 9:33:01am

Holy shit. You guys. This happened:

More derpsplosions on the right to follow.

474 HappyWarrior  Jun 26, 2015 9:33:09am

re: #460 Targetpractice

That position won’t last long. It just won’t. The base will demand “something” be done and Marco will have to promise them “something” or else his numbers will take a tumble. It’s like immigration, he might have earned points in the general over his old position, but the new one is set to win the primaries.

You’re probably right about that. Marco says this now but wait till he hears from the base.

475 freetoken  Jun 26, 2015 9:33:28am

re: #473 Lidane

See, the Apocalypse really is happening!

476 teleskiguy  Jun 26, 2015 9:33:28am
477 b.d.  Jun 26, 2015 9:33:38am

Shouldn’t all of these people complaining about gay marriage be making cakes right about now?

I hear they’re adding extra bakeries at the FEMA camps just for this.

478 Mike Lamb  Jun 26, 2015 9:34:59am

re: #392 freetoken

Chuck Todd (yeah, him) declares:

A Conservative Backlash To Court Rulings Is Coming. Bet On It.

This is excellent news for John McCain!

479 CuriousLurker  Jun 26, 2015 9:35:07am

re: #473 Lidane

Holy shit. You guys. This happened:

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More derpsplosions on the right to follow.

Oh shit, that’s gonna ruffle some feathers.

480 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Jun 26, 2015 9:35:27am

Well, this is all good news. I need to go to sleep now, though, so party on without me.

481 freetoken  Jun 26, 2015 9:35:40am

This also happened yesterday, but didn’t get as much coverage:

New Jersey jury rules against gay conversion therapy

Just yesterday in New Jersey, a jury needed only a few hours to find that JONAH — Jews Offering New Alternatives for Healing — made gross misrepresentations in advertising its program and awarded damages of $72,000. Three gay men and their parents had filed suit against JONAH, basically claiming it had committed consumer fraud.

482 b.d.  Jun 26, 2015 9:36:49am

re: #473 Lidane

Holy shit. You guys. This happened:

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More derpsplosions on the right to follow.

Wingnuts are having to cling to their guns a little harder now that their religion is not there for them anymore.

483 Franklin  Jun 26, 2015 9:36:56am
484 ObserverArt  Jun 26, 2015 9:37:25am

re: #473 Lidane

Holy shit. You guys. This happened:

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More derpsplosions on the right to follow.

Damn. Did you guys just feel that?

I think the world just tipped a bit in a positive direction.

Just saw a video from outside the Supreme Court building. There seems to be a par-tay going down. It looks fabulous.

What a day…what a week.

485 The Vicious Babushka  Jun 26, 2015 9:37:59am

re: #483 Franklin

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Why couldn’t the interns have someone waiting outside with a cell phone?

486 Targetpractice  Jun 26, 2015 9:38:53am

re: #484 ObserverArt

Damn. Did you guys just feel that?

I think the world just tipped a bit in a positive direction.

Just saw a video from outside the Supreme Court building. There seems to be a par-tay going down. It looks fabulous.

What a day…what a week.

I think we might look back in a few months and see this as the week where the entire 2016 presidential election changed.

487 Franklin  Jun 26, 2015 9:38:54am

This is just another reason why I voted for my Mayor.

488 HappyWarrior  Jun 26, 2015 9:39:00am

Not a good week to be a retrograde.

489 Franklin  Jun 26, 2015 9:39:54am

re: #485 The Vicious Babushka

Why couldn’t the interns have someone waiting outside with a cell phone?

Exactly. It looks like they have summaries/notes. Just snap a pic of the doc and text it to the reporter or the news desk.

490 calochortus  Jun 26, 2015 9:40:19am

re: #485 The Vicious Babushka

Why couldn’t the interns have someone waiting outside with a cell phone?

Tradition!

491 blueraven  Jun 26, 2015 9:40:26am

I “think” that the states that want to hold out on issuing SSM license can probably do so until the SCOTUS decision is officially filed, or whatever they call it. Pete Williams addressed that on MSNBC, but didn’t know the exact time frame…10-30 days. Somewhere in there. I am sure some states will hang on to the bitter end.

However, as noted, Travis county TX (Austin) has issued some already. Doubt there is a lot the AG can do about that.

492 HappyWarrior  Jun 26, 2015 9:41:28am

re: #487 Franklin

This is just another reason why I voted for my Mayor.

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Really want to see what my state AG says. He’s been a supporter of equality for a while and he was my happiest vote in 2013 even though his GOP opponent wasn’t as nutty as Cuccinneli or Jackson but I felt we needed a voice for all Virginians as AG and we got him in Herring.

493 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Jun 26, 2015 9:43:00am

This is probably about as bad a week as any political party/ideological grouping has had in quite some time, maybe ever.

494 CuriousLurker  Jun 26, 2015 9:43:08am

re: #472 freetoken

Paxton:

He gets a full martyrdom cookie for that one.

I still don’t get how these people see SSM as a display of hate and intolerance against anyone or a threat to religious liberty. I’m Muslim—no one is telling me that all imams must now perform gay marriages in mosques—that’s a religious thing, not a legal/secular one.

The only displays of hate & intolerance I’m seeing over this are coming from the religious rightwingers.

495 Franklin  Jun 26, 2015 9:44:28am

re: #492 HappyWarrior

Really want to see what my state AG says. He’s been a supporter of equality for a while and he was my happiest vote in 2013 even though his GOP opponent wasn’t as nutty as Cuccinneli or Jackson but I felt we needed a voice for all Virginians as AG and we got him in Herring.

I concede that it’s easy for Mayor Walsh to have that view and declare it proudly, being in Boston, MA and all. Not really a tough stance to take given the location.

496 calochortus  Jun 26, 2015 9:44:46am

Here’s a good idea from a Freeper

To: xzins

I’m thinking Scalia might do us all a bigger favor by leaving the Court and writing a tell-all book about what really goes on in there.

4 posted on 6/26/2015, 8:08:43 AM by Buckeye McFrog

I’d bake a cake for the retirement party.

497 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing  Jun 26, 2015 9:44:47am

re: #493 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse

This is probably about as bad a week as any political party/ideological grouping has had in quite some time, maybe ever.

Well, April 9, 1865 was a pretty bad day for the South.

498 iossarian  Jun 26, 2015 9:45:45am

re: #494 CuriousLurker

I still don’t get how these people see SSM as a display of hate and intolerance against anyone or a threat to religious liberty. I’m Muslim—no one is telling me that all imams must now perform gay marriages in mosques—that’s a religious thing, not a legal/secular one.

It’s purely reflexive: in their desire to persecute people they perceive others as wanting to persecute them.

499 iossarian  Jun 26, 2015 9:46:13am

re: #496 calochortus

Dullest. Book. Ever.

500 The Vicious Babushka  Jun 26, 2015 9:46:32am

LOL wingnuts are screaming IT’S BUSH’S FAULT!!!!!!!

501 Pawn of the Oppressor  Jun 26, 2015 9:48:07am

HAHAHAHAHHAHAHAAAA

CRY BITTER TEARS, REPUBLICANS. CRYYYYYYYYYY!!! THE TRAVELER HAS COME!!!!

Next they’re gonna make you dress in sparkles and gay marry your dog!

I hope courthouses have extra security this next week. Now we find out what percentage of these freakshows take all this Gawd-pocalypse ranting seriously.

502 b.d.  Jun 26, 2015 9:48:16am

re: #500 The Vicious Babushka

LOL wingnuts are screaming IT’S BUSH’S FAULT!!!!!!!

I hope you are sending them back that “Miss Me Yet?” photo.

503 jimmyvluv4u  Jun 26, 2015 9:48:55am

LOL

504 calochortus  Jun 26, 2015 9:49:45am

re: #499 iossarian

Dullest. Book. Ever.

OK, I’d even be willing to read every dull word of that book if it meant Scalia retired. How’s that for sacrifice?

505 CuriousLurker  Jun 26, 2015 9:50:13am

re: #500 The Vicious Babushka

LOL wingnuts are screaming IT’S BUSH’S FAULT!!!!!!!

*blinking* How is it Bush’s fault?

506 jimmyvluv4u  Jun 26, 2015 9:50:38am

Though it is a shameless rip-off of the far better:

Source: Link

507 HappyWarrior  Jun 26, 2015 9:50:53am

re: #500 The Vicious Babushka

LOL wingnuts are screaming IT’S BUSH’S FAULT!!!!!!!

Confused. His CJ pick wrote the dissent and his other appointee did. They should actually be mad at Reagan lol. Kennedy was Ronnie’s.

508 Targetpractice  Jun 26, 2015 9:51:09am

re: #503 jimmyvluv4u

LOL

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Resistance is futile.

509 HappyWarrior  Jun 26, 2015 9:51:34am

re: #503 jimmyvluv4u

LOL

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Lol all kinds of butt hurt from the WS.

510 calochortus  Jun 26, 2015 9:51:45am

re: #506 jimmyvluv4u

Though it is a shameless rip-off of the far better:

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Yes, but having St. Jude (patron saint of lost causes) in it is a nice touch.

511 HappyWarrior  Jun 26, 2015 9:52:53am

re: #496 calochortus

Here’s a good idea from a Freeper

I’d bake a cake for the retirement party.

Please do. He’s a terrible judge and we’d get one more sane voice by his departure.

512 teleskiguy  Jun 26, 2015 9:53:06am

Here’s a nice steaming pile of wingnut poo being flung across the body politic.

513 blueraven  Jun 26, 2015 9:53:08am

This is what a desperate to be noticed candidate says:

514 CuriousLurker  Jun 26, 2015 9:53:09am

re: #507 HappyWarrior

Confused. His CJ pick wrote the dissent and his other appointee did. They should actually be mad at Reagan lol. Kennedy was Ronnie’s.

Ah, okay—it’s over SCOTUS appointments.

515 blueraven  Jun 26, 2015 9:53:33am

re: #512 teleskiguy

Here’s a nice steaming pile of wingnut poo being flung across the body politic.

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2 seconds. Damn you!!

516 Franklin  Jun 26, 2015 9:54:23am

re: #512 teleskiguy

Here’s a nice steaming pile of wingnut poo being flung across the body politic.

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Why does he hate the constitution?

517 HappyWarrior  Jun 26, 2015 9:54:35am

This is what we were voting for in 2008 with Obama- a government that fights for equality of all its citizens and one that fights for health care for again all its citizens. McCain and Romney never cared about all of us.

518 calochortus  Jun 26, 2015 9:55:27am

re: #513 blueraven

This is what a desperate to be noticed candidate says:

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Yes, but for all the “states’ rights rhetoric, the conservatives would be having fits over laws passed in liberal states if there was no chance to strike them down in a national court of some sort.

519 HappyWarrior  Jun 26, 2015 9:55:40am

Wow Jindal. And you’re a Rhodes Scholar? How desperate is this sorry hack?

520 iossarian  Jun 26, 2015 9:56:40am

re: #517 HappyWarrior

This is what we were voting for in 2008 with Obama- a government that fights for equality of all its citizens and one that fights for health care for again all its citizens. McCain and Romney never cared about all of us.

You know what, that’s a great point. There will be endless debate over the extent to which Obama made things happen himself, or whether he was just in office at the right time, what more he could have done, etc. But there’s no question that things have moved in the right direction, significantly, during his presidency.

521 The Vicious Babushka  Jun 26, 2015 9:56:53am

re: #505 CuriousLurker

*blinking* How is it Bush’s fault?

Bush appointed Roberts.

522 CuriousLurker  Jun 26, 2015 9:57:32am

re: #518 calochortus

Yes, but for all the “states’ rights rhetoric, the conservatives would be having fits over laws passed in liberal states if there was no chance to strike them down in a national court of some sort.

QFT

523 Targetpractice  Jun 26, 2015 9:57:44am

re: #518 calochortus

Yes, but for all the “states’ rights rhetoric, the conservatives would be having fits over laws passed in liberal states if there was no chance to strike them down in a national court of some sort.

No shit, as much as the wingnuts say they hate SCOTUS and want the states to run things how they like, as soon as California started granting citizens to undocumented workers or Washington passed laws to provide public funds for abortions, they’d go absolutely ballistic.

524 HappyWarrior  Jun 26, 2015 9:57:45am

re: #514 CuriousLurker

Ah, okay—it’s over SCOTUS appointments.

That was my guess. Perhaps they mean his pushing the anti gay marriage amendment which nearly all them supported which inspired pro SSM activists to fight back. But hey live by using gay people as political scalegoats, die that way.

525 freetoken  Jun 26, 2015 9:57:57am

On my Chrome home screen, I see that Google now adds:

YouTube and Google are proud to celebrate marriage equality. #ProudtoLove

So, are all the religious right going to stop using Youtube and Google?

526 Eventual Carrion  Jun 26, 2015 9:58:36am

re: #512 teleskiguy

Here’s a nice steaming pile of wingnut poo being flung across the body politic.

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If we want to save some money by eliminating one of the branches of government, we would save a lot more getting rid of the legislative branch.

527 blueraven  Jun 26, 2015 9:58:51am

re: #519 HappyWarrior

Wow Jindal. And you’re a Rhodes Scholar? How desperate is this sorry hack?

Dead last in the polls desperate.

realclearpolitics.com

528 HappyWarrior  Jun 26, 2015 9:58:54am

re: #520 iossarian

You know what, that’s a great point. There will be endless debate over the extent to which Obama made things happen himself, or whether he was just in office at the right time, what more he could have done, etc. But there’s no question that things have moved in the right direction, significantly, during his presidency.

No president has done more for gay people. For that Obama deserves a chapter in the history books alone.

529 teleskiguy  Jun 26, 2015 9:58:54am
530 HappyWarrior  Jun 26, 2015 9:59:29am

re: #527 blueraven

Dead last in the polls desperate.

realclearpolitics.com

Damn. Bye bye Bobby.

531 Franklin  Jun 26, 2015 9:59:56am

re: #525 freetoken

On my Chrome home screen, I see that Google now adds:

So, are all the religious right going to stop using Youtube and Google?

Even better is when they search for “gay marriage”. IN YOUR FACE!

532 Eventual Carrion  Jun 26, 2015 10:01:01am

re: #523 Targetpractice

No shit, as much as the wingnuts say they hate SCOTUS and want the states to run things how they like, as soon as California starting granting citizens to undocumented workers or Washington passed laws to provide public funds for abortions, they’d go absolutely ballistic.

Or a Florida court says the presidential vote recount can begin again …

533 CuriousLurker  Jun 26, 2015 10:01:59am

Okay, gotta get some work done. BBL

534 Franklin  Jun 26, 2015 10:03:26am

The Truth is Out There™

536 teleskiguy  Jun 26, 2015 10:04:38am

Unicorn Rainbow Farts!

537 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Jun 26, 2015 10:04:48am

re: #496 calochortus

I’m thinking Scalia might do us all a bigger favor by leaving the Court and writing a tell-all book about what really goes on in there.

Yes, that would change everything.

////

538 calochortus  Jun 26, 2015 10:07:30am

Time to get some stuff done. With a smile on my face.

BBL

539 Franklin  Jun 26, 2015 10:09:47am

Oh snap

540 HappyWarrior  Jun 26, 2015 10:11:27am

re: #539 Franklin

Oh snap

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No comment but Thomas is a terrible judge. And he’s probably here for another 15-20 years. He’s HW Bush’s worst legacy.

541 jaunte  Jun 26, 2015 10:15:01am

150 years after the Civil War ends, Texas Gubnuh still fighting an anti-federal guerilla war.

542 ObserverArt  Jun 26, 2015 10:15:30am

re: #506 jimmyvluv4u

Though it is a shameless rip-off of the far better:

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Source: Link

That reminds me of the movie Pleasantville.

Once some color entered a few lives all the black and white people were forced to look at themselves and see change was a comin’.

543 jaunte  Jun 26, 2015 10:16:37am
“The truth is that the debate over the issue of marriage has increasingly devolved into personal and economic aggression against people of faith who have sought to live their lives consistent with their sincerely-held religious beliefs about marriage,” Texas Attorney General Ken Paxton said in a Friday statement.

Wahh, we can’t bully gays openly!

544 Ace-o-aces  Jun 26, 2015 10:17:21am
545 freetoken  Jun 26, 2015 10:17:37am

re: #543 jaunte

A lot of martyrdom cards are being played today.

546 teleskiguy  Jun 26, 2015 10:18:59am
547 Pawn of the Oppressor  Jun 26, 2015 10:19:10am

Texas, leading the way in National Embarrassment yet again.

(Normally Louisiana would lead, but they can’t be first at anything.)

548 freetoken  Jun 26, 2015 10:19:24am
549 Franklin  Jun 26, 2015 10:19:34am
550 HappyWarrior  Jun 26, 2015 10:20:02am

re: #544 Ace-o-aces

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Yep they love this argument and SSM being legal everywhere will again show how stupid they are. Ironical, separation of church and state which Todd and Graham despise is what protects them.

551 piratedan  Jun 26, 2015 10:20:12am

number of people with their panties in a twist over the SCOTUS rulings - millions
number of fucks I have to give about them - zero

552 freetoken  Jun 26, 2015 10:20:52am
553 Targetpractice  Jun 26, 2015 10:21:03am

re: #541 jaunte

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150 years after the Civil War ends, Texas Gubnuh still fighting an anti-federal guerilla war.

That’s going to be the next step, “religious liberty/conscience” efforts aimed at denying licenses and ceremonies to same-sex couples. It’s pretty much their only remaining card in the deck, just saying “It would hurt that man’s widdle feewings to have to marry a gay couple!”

554 HappyWarrior  Jun 26, 2015 10:21:16am

re: #546 teleskiguy

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Heh seriously. They say oh what about the children, the kids even more conservative ones get it more than the wingnut adults.

555 HappyWarrior  Jun 26, 2015 10:22:02am
556 ObserverArt  Jun 26, 2015 10:22:34am

Isn’t it just so revealing that the party of law and order has such a problem with law that has just been ordered.

Hey GOP, your pants are falling down and it is not a pretty sight.

557 Dr Lizardo  Jun 26, 2015 10:22:46am

re: #551 piratedan

number of people with their panties in a twist over the SCOTUS rulings - millions
number of fucks I have to give about them - zero

558 CuriousLurker  Jun 26, 2015 10:23:17am

I’m sure a new thread will go up any minute, so just a reminder from 2013:

“I think the truth is if you really care about the quality of somebody’s life as much as you care about the quality of your own, you have it made.”
—Edie Windsor

559 jaunte  Jun 26, 2015 10:23:49am
560 darthstar  Jun 26, 2015 10:23:49am
561 HappyWarrior  Jun 26, 2015 10:25:55am

re: #559 jaunte

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We need more hippies less Scalias.

562 Ace-o-aces  Jun 26, 2015 10:26:00am
563 allegro  Jun 26, 2015 10:27:25am

Watching the local NBC news in Houston… overwhelmingly positive and gleeful response to now legal SSM in Texas. A reporter was interviewing the Harris Co clerk who said he was ready to issue licenses but had to wait to get paperwork that didn’t say “man and woman” on it to ensure legality. He is not issuing ANY licenses until he gets new paperwork and all marriages are equal. The Co Attny says, hey, quit stalling and issue licenses. So if state attny is saying no, at least here he’s getting a big fuck off and marriages will go forward asap.

In the unfortunate name dept… and yeah, my place in hell is assured for cracking up when I heard it… a gay couple who had a pending lawsuit gave a statement. One of the first guy’s sentences was “I love Dick more than anything in the world…”

564 makeitstop  Jun 26, 2015 10:32:49am

re: #563 allegro

A reporter was interviewing the Harris Co clerk who said he was ready to issue licenses but had to wait to get paperwork that didn’t say “man and woman” on it to ensure legality. He is not issuing ANY licenses until he gets new paperwork and all marriages are equal.

Ten bucks says that paperwork will get ‘held up at the printer’ - for like a year.

/

565 HappyWarrior  Jun 26, 2015 10:32:51am

re: #562 Ace-o-aces

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Last person who should be lecturing about morality declining is a racist four time married pill popper who contributes nothing but hate.

566 Eventual Carrion  Jun 26, 2015 10:45:27am

re: #563 allegro

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In the unfortunate name dept… and yeah, my place in hell is assured for cracking up when I heard it… a gay couple who had a pending lawsuit gave a statement. One of the first guy’s sentences was “I love Dick more than anything in the world…”

I had a boss named Mollie who was married to a guy named Dick. Around the break room table at lunch one day I wondered out load if she had ever carved “Mollie loves Dick” in a tree or park bench.

567 De Kolta Chair  Jun 26, 2015 10:48:17am

re: #545 freetoken

A lot of martyrdom cards are being played today.

52,000 Pickup.

568 Tigger2  Jun 26, 2015 3:46:53pm

re: #442 teleskiguy

Here comes the nullification talk.

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