Confederate Flag Store Owner Who Said It Has “Nothing to Do With Slavery” Has Close Ties to the KKK

Racism denier tied to KKK
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Anna Robb and her husband Nathan own a store in Branson, Missouri, called “Dixie Outfitters,” selling Confederate flag merchandise of all kinds. Anna gave an interview to the Springfield News-Leader on Monday to let them know that the Confederate flag is only about heritage and Southern culture, and has “nothing to do with the slavery issue.”

“Our customers are hardworking, red blooded Americans that understand the history of the Confederate flag. They are not haters or anything like that,” she said. “They are proud of their country and proud of what the Confederate flag represents. It has nothing to do with the slavery issue.”

Southern culture, heritage and way of life — that’s what the Confederate symbol represents, Robb said.

Unfortunately for Mrs. Robb, today it came out that she and her husband have very close ties to the Ku Klux Klan. Very close. As in, her husband’s father is the national director. Imagine, if you will, my surprise: Branson Store Owner, Who Said Rebel Flag Doesn’t Represent Racism, Has Ties to KKK.

On Thursday, the News-Leader was alerted by readers that Robb’s husband Nathan, co-owner of the store, once tried to adopt a highway in Arkansas on behalf of the Ku Klux Klan, and that Nathan Robb’s father is Thomas Robb, the national director of the KKK.

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Anna Robb said she and her husband have not spoken to Thomas Robb in years. She denied that she or her husband were ever a part of the KKK, but did say she had attended KKK events in the past.

“I have years ago,” she said. “That was years ago, and that is not even something that comes up anymore.”

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Nathan Robb was not available for comment, Anna Robb said, because he was trying to keep up with orders and merchandise in their warehouse.

Reached by the News-Leader on Thursday, Thomas Robb declined to speak about his relationship with Anna and Nathan Robb, saying it was a “family matter.”

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488 comments
1 b_sharp  Jun 27, 2015 6:07:18pm

This no longer surprises me.

2 Eclectic Cyborg  Jun 27, 2015 6:09:09pm
Nathan Robb was not available for comment, Anna Robb said, because he was trying to keep up with orders and merchandise in their warehouse.

Lamest excuse ever.

3 Irving  Jun 27, 2015 6:09:15pm

Why on Earth did she think that stepping in front of the camera and talking about this was a good idea?

4 stpaulbear  Jun 27, 2015 6:09:41pm

Ooopie.

I like how they claim that they have no ties with the father.

5 Eclectic Cyborg  Jun 27, 2015 6:10:51pm

re: #3 Irving

Why on Earth did she think that stepping in front of the camera and talking about this was a good idea?

Probably thought it was important to defend that flag, bless her heart.

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6 Irving  Jun 27, 2015 6:12:44pm

re: #5 Eclectic Cyborg

NB for Northerners: “Bless her heart” is a Southern code phrase for “Oh, you poor child, life must so difficult for you, seeing as how God didn’t see fit to give the brainpower of a goose, have some deviled eggs.”

7 stpaulbear  Jun 27, 2015 6:12:51pm

re: #2 Eclectic Cyborg

Lamest excuse ever.

That was actually the only thing she said that I believed. I wouldn’t doubt that they were swamped with orders once people thought they were going to lose their flags. Just like gun sales spike after a shooting.

8 Lidane  Jun 27, 2015 6:15:26pm

Shorter Anna Robb:

9 HappyWarrior  Jun 27, 2015 6:15:42pm

Oops.//

10 jaunte  Jun 27, 2015 6:16:40pm

If Yankees shot his “Great-grandpa” he’s either a lot older than he looks or they didn’t shoot him in the Civil War. Maybe he got shot burgling a house in Pennsylvania.

11 Drive By Commenter  Jun 27, 2015 6:17:31pm

Yeah. Nothing whatsoever. Uh huh. I see. Yep. I’d buy a used car from her.

12 stpaulbear  Jun 27, 2015 6:18:21pm

re: #6 Irving

A lot of us northerners have read Molly Ivins. ;)

13 HappyWarrior  Jun 27, 2015 6:20:09pm

re: #10 jaunte

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If Yankees shot his “Great-grandpa” he’s either a lot older than he looks or they didn’t shoot him in the Civil War. Maybe he got shot burgling a house in Pennsylvania.

I dunno. I’m 27 but had a great great grandfather who was in the war. My dad was fairly old when I was born as was his dad, as was his mom, and finally the gg grandfather was when she was born but bitching about “outside Yankees” is so 1860’s.

14 b.d.  Jun 27, 2015 6:20:32pm

Oh! You meant that KKK

The hits keep coming.

15 jaunte  Jun 27, 2015 6:20:32pm
16 HappyWarrior  Jun 27, 2015 6:21:27pm

They can be proud of their ancestors but I don’t want to hear them claim they love this country more than me.

17 Higgs Boson's Mate  Jun 27, 2015 6:23:54pm

re: #6 Irving

Picked that phrase up in South Texas more than forty years ago. It was great to be able to freely use it when I returned to California.

18 b.d.  Jun 27, 2015 6:25:31pm

re: #16 HappyWarrior

They can be proud of their ancestors but I don’t want to hear them claim they love this country more than me.

It really is time for these folks to find someone in their branchless family tree that fought on the right side of a war to hero worship.

It’s not like there has been a dearth of US involved wars since the Civil War, I am sure they can find some other veteran ancestor to cherish.

19 #FergusonFireside  Jun 27, 2015 6:26:47pm

re: #15 jaunte

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Stupidity engrained. Ya’ll aren’t taking that away!

20 HappyWarrior  Jun 27, 2015 6:26:50pm

re: #18 b.d.

It really is time for these folks to find someone in their branchless family tree that fought on the right side of a war to hero worship.

It’s not like there has been a dearth of US involved wars since the Civil War, I am sure they can find some other veteran ancestor to cherish.

Quite true too. Can’t they find a WWII veteran ancestor to admire?

21 jaunte  Jun 27, 2015 6:29:11pm

re: #19 #FergusonFireside

I don’t understand having a strong need to admire and exalt ones ancestors.

22 b_sharp  Jun 27, 2015 6:31:53pm

re: #21 jaunte

I don’t understand having a strong need to admire and exalt ones ancestors.

Neither do I.
My ancestors, except for my dad are dead. They were great people while alive, but their time is over, just as my time will eventually be over & my grandkids will carry on living and loving.

23 Eclectic Cyborg  Jun 27, 2015 6:33:48pm

re: #6 Irving

NB for Northerners: “Bless her heart” is a Southern code phrase for “Oh, you poor child, life must so difficult for you, seeing as how God didn’t see fit to give the brainpower of a goose, have some deviled eggs.”

Yeah and as a northerner myself, it took me awhile to catch on to that when I came down here!

24 HappyWarrior  Jun 27, 2015 6:34:00pm

Family lore does mean for something but at the same time, if you’re going to continue to talk about Northerners as if they’re these foreign invaders and continue to lie to yourself what the CSA was then you can fuck off. Didn’t see any hostility to Southerners by any of my Pennsylvania born relatives.

25 Eclectic Cyborg  Jun 27, 2015 6:35:12pm

Has Jon Stewart done a bit on the SSM Decision yet?

26 #FergusonFireside  Jun 27, 2015 6:35:53pm

re: #21 jaunte

I don’t understand having a strong need to admire and exalt ones ancestors.

It’s a stupid excuse for the damn flag. They give no shit otherwise.

27 jaunte  Jun 27, 2015 6:36:06pm
28 HappyWarrior  Jun 27, 2015 6:37:27pm

It is interesting though how some people have different perspectives though. My cousin whose father is actually from the same city as Haley Barbour told me he was worried that he may have slaveowners in his family tree. I told him not to worry about since he himself was not one and does not share their bigotry and desire to enslave fellow human beings. I know for a fact that my ancestors had different values than me. I can still respect them without resorting to revising the past. As much as I’d like to think they’d share my views on racial and religious egalitarianism, they did not. No one is saying these people should burn their ancestors effigies but it would be nice if 150 years after Appomattox, they finally admitted that the cause that so many fought and died for was not just..

29 HappyWarrior  Jun 27, 2015 6:37:51pm

re: #25 Eclectic Cyborg

Has Jon Stewart done a bit on the SSM Decision yet?

Not yet since the decision came in on Friday. Watch Monday. It should be epic.

30 HappyWarrior  Jun 27, 2015 6:38:12pm

re: #27 jaunte

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Liberals all obviously.//

31 BlueSpotinAL  Jun 27, 2015 6:39:02pm

re: #20 HappyWarrior

Quite true too. Can’t they find a WWII veteran ancestor to admire?

Well, you just made me think of my maternal grandfather (Patton’s 3rd army), greatest man I knew growing up even if he was “just” a janitor. Excuse me, there seems to be something in my eye…

32 aagcobb  Jun 27, 2015 6:39:13pm

The heritage is hate.

33 HappyWarrior  Jun 27, 2015 6:41:05pm

re: #31 BlueSpotinAL

Well, you just made me think of my maternal grandfather (Patton’s 3rd army), greatest man I knew growing up even if he was “just” a janitor. Excuse me, there seems to be something in my eye…

Respect and we all knew men like your grandfather growing up. My maternal grandfather and the man I am named for was an artillery sergeant in the Korean War was a mere bricklayer but his work ethic helped his daughter (my mom) and her brother became the first people in his family line to get college educations. He always stressed the value of education to my brothers and I.

34 Decatur Deb  Jun 27, 2015 6:43:26pm

re: #21 jaunte

I don’t understand having a strong need to admire and exalt ones ancestors.

The legendary hero of our family was Woodrow Wilson Deb. Did 20 yrs in the PA state pen for counterfeiting.

“At least he had a skill.”

35 RealityBasedSteve  Jun 27, 2015 6:47:04pm

re: #23 Eclectic Cyborg

Yeah and as a northerner myself, it took me awhile to catch on to that when I came down here!

Same here. Southerners, esp. southern women, can say the most horrible things, but it’s ok as long as you end it with “bless his heart”. For example “Jim is such a good worker when he’s sober” is mean. “Jim is such a good worker when he’s sober, bless his heart” sounds so much better.

RBS

36 RealityBasedSteve  Jun 27, 2015 6:48:05pm

re: #34 Decatur Deb

The legendary hero of our family was Woodrow Wilson Deb. Did 20 yrs in the PA state pen for counterfeiting.

“At least he had a skill.”

Took that “you’ve got to make money to amount to anything” just a bit too literally.

RBS

37 Charles Johnson  Jun 27, 2015 6:49:34pm
38 allegro  Jun 27, 2015 6:53:00pm

Speaking of Jon Stewart… just saw a Trevor Noah stand-up show on Prime. I had never heard of him until he was named to replace Stewart. He is adorable and very funny. I think he’ll do a great job.

39 HappyWarrior  Jun 27, 2015 6:53:42pm

re: #37 Charles Johnson

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Yeah I don’t believe that Ms. Robb has renounced her father in law’s racism at all.

40 allegro  Jun 27, 2015 6:55:14pm

re: #39 HappyWarrior

Yeah I don’t believe that Ms. Robb has renounced her father in law’s racism at all.

If she’d opened a flower shop, I might give her a listen. Confederate flag store? Please.

41 HappyWarrior  Jun 27, 2015 6:55:14pm

re: #38 allegro

Speaking of Jon Stewart… just saw a Trevor Noah stand-up show on Prime. I had never heard of him until he was named to replace Stewart. He is adorable and very funny. I think he’ll do a great job.

Neat bit but you’ve got two people of African descent that are replacing Stewart and Colbert at 11 and 11:30. Can’t wait to see what Trevor has to offer. I am impressed with Larry Wilmore as Stephen’s replacement thus far. He’s got a totally different approach to his show and I expect the same will happen with Trevor but I think he’ll do great.

42 SteveMcGaziBolaGate  Jun 27, 2015 6:55:25pm

I had to put this up because the CNN video make me think of this:

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43 HappyWarrior  Jun 27, 2015 6:55:45pm

re: #40 allegro

If she’d opened a flower shop, I might give her a listen. Confederate flag store? Please.

Exactly. You renounce your KKK father in law and open a CSA merch store? Yeah I am sorry but I ain’t buying it one bit.

44 Decatur Deb  Jun 27, 2015 6:57:28pm

re: #43 HappyWarrior

Exactly. You renounce your KKK father in law and open a CSA merch store? Yeah I am sorry but I ain’t buying it one bit.

“This is Heritage. Hate is just down the hall past the hemp rope.”

45 HappyWarrior  Jun 27, 2015 6:58:20pm

re: #44 Decatur Deb

“This is Heritage. Hate is just down the hall past the hemp rope.”

“MY heritage mask’s holes are too hard to see out of.”

46 SteveMcGaziBolaGate  Jun 27, 2015 6:58:38pm

re: #10 jaunte

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If Yankees shot his “Great-grandpa” he’s either a lot older than he looks or they didn’t shoot him in the Civil War. Maybe he got shot burgling a house in Pennsylvania.

I think he’s referring to Martin Luther King, Jr.
EDIT: I originally thought the sign was referring to the black man’s great grandpa

47 Romantic Heretic  Jun 27, 2015 7:11:34pm

re: #20 HappyWarrior

Quite true too. Can’t they find a WWII veteran ancestor to admire?

Considering that at least six Americans served in the Liebstandarte Adolf Hitler that might not make much difference.

48 RealityBasedSteve  Jun 27, 2015 7:13:25pm

I’ve noticed an interesting trend now in RWNJ land. That marriage should be the domain of the church, and the state would have no role in it. That only a “religious marriage is valid”. They gloat that this would “get the state out of our lives”. They seem to feel that this would eliminate the “problem” of SSM.

It doesn’t seem to enter into their calculus on this is that many churches / houses of worship are perfectly fine performing SSM.

Ok RWNJs, can you see the path you’re heading down?

Bueller…. Bueller…..

RBS

49 HappyWarrior  Jun 27, 2015 7:13:41pm

re: #47 Romantic Heretic

Considering that at least six Americans served in the Liebstandarte Adolf Hitler that might not make much difference.

I’d like to learn more about this. I had heard of some of the British Nazi volunteers but don’t know anything about the American ones.

50 HappyWarrior  Jun 27, 2015 7:15:02pm

re: #48 RealityBasedSteve

I’ve noticed an interesting trend now in RWNJ land. That marriage should be the domain of the church, and the state would have no role in it. That only a “religious marriage is valid”. They gloat that this would “get the state out of our lives”. They seem to feel that this would eliminate the “problem” of SSM.

It doesn’t seem to enter into their calculus on this is that many churches / houses of worship are perfectly fine performing SSM.

Ok RWNJs, can you see the path you’re heading down?

Bueller…. Bueller…..

RBS

Right, they ignore that. Nolte tried pushing the WH using hte rainbow lighting as “Anti-Christian” and I just thought to myself “Nolte, you ignorant hack, there are many Christians out there who support SSM.” Funny, they want to tie “Christian” with being “Anti-Gay.” I don’t see it that way even though I am no Christian myself.

51 Unabogie  Jun 27, 2015 7:15:44pm
52 ObserverArt  Jun 27, 2015 7:15:45pm

isn’t it amazing how much of this racist bullshit ties back to Missouri?

I swear that state is as messed up as anything in the deep south. However people don’t really seem to know it.

There was a reason Ferguson and the shooting of Michael Brown pissed everyone off. And the same reason why the damn prosecutor excused it all away.

53 HappyWarrior  Jun 27, 2015 7:16:34pm

re: #51 Unabogie

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how about paroling convicted murderers since you didn’t like the distant relative of the murder victim. Mike should shut the fuck up about what is and what is not “Godly.”

54 TedStriker  Jun 27, 2015 7:16:54pm
On Thursday, the News-Leader was alerted by readers that Robb’s husband Nathan, co-owner of the store, once tried to adopt a highway in Arkansas on behalf of the Ku Klux Klan, and that Nathan Robb’s father is Thomas Robb, the national director of the KKK.
Read more at littlegreenfootballs.com
55 HappyWarrior  Jun 27, 2015 7:18:19pm

re: #54 TedStriker

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Yeah not buying that he renounced his father’s views at all.

56 HappyWarrior  Jun 27, 2015 7:19:07pm

Well in good news. Doing a registry clean and spyware check seems to have solved what was making my browser crash.

57 Jenner7  Jun 27, 2015 7:19:55pm
58 HappyWarrior  Jun 27, 2015 7:22:25pm

By the way, what kind of sorry excuse for a judge is Roberts? “Don’t celebrate the Constitution.” Okay, so I have some appreciation for the man for upholding ACA but Roberts acted completely unprofessional there. I actually thought he was more mature than that. I expected tantrums and irrelevant bullshit from Scalia, Thomas, and Alito but I thought Roberts had something functioning up there. it’s ironic though since Kennedy and the other four did use the 14th amendment while Roberts and his friends used their own anti-gay prejudices to vote against SSM.

59 BeachDem  Jun 27, 2015 7:23:11pm

re: #35 RealityBasedSteve

Same here. Southerners, esp. southern women, can say the most horrible things, but it’s ok as long as you end it with “bless his heart”. For example “Jim is such a good worker when he’s sober” is mean. “Jim is such a good worker when he’s sober, bless his heart” sounds so much better.

RBS

If you’ve never heard of/read anything by Celia Rivenbark, I highly recommend her Southern humor.

Bless Your Heart, Tramp: And Other Southern Endearments

is one of her funniest books, along with “We’re Just Like You Only Prettier” and “You Can’t Drink All Day If You Don’t Start in the Morning.”

She’s a syndicated columnist, but I’m not sure what papers carry her (probably mostly Southern.)

amazon.com

60 RealityBasedSteve  Jun 27, 2015 7:25:02pm

re: #59 BeachDem

If you’ve never heard of/read anything by Celia Rivenbark, I highly recommend her Southern humor.

Bless Your Heart, Tramp: And Other Southern Endearments

is one of her funniest books, along with “We’re Just Like You Only Prettier” and “You Can’t Drink All Day If You Don’t Start in the Morning.”

She’s a syndicated columnist, but I’m not sure what papers carry her (probably mostly Southern.)

amazon.com

Thanks… I’ll have to check her out.

RBS

61 HappyWarrior  Jun 27, 2015 7:30:13pm

A minor pet peeve if I may but I am tired of people trying to MBF by going “Well Dick Cheney supported SSM before Obama” or bringing up the Kochs support of SSM. Yes, both are true but even when Obama was officially anti-SSM, he was still supporting the rights of GLBT people. Cheney? Most active VP in recent memory suddenly goes silent when his boss decides to push an anti-gay marriage constiutional amendment and his party pushes bans throughout the states. The Kochs? They continued to give their money to GOP candidates not only opposed to SSM but civil unions too. I mean would I have preferred Obama be open in support earlier? Damn straight but I actually look at what the man has done as president on the issue since 2009.

62 Romantic Heretic  Jun 27, 2015 7:34:18pm

re: #49 HappyWarrior

I’d like to learn more about this. I had heard of some of the British Nazi volunteers but don’t know anything about the American ones.

Just finished this book: Waffen SS: The Asphalt Soldiers by John Keegan.

He mentioned that Liebstandarte had American members.

Fascinating book. Himmler, in his drive to have a private army, really twisted the ‘Aryan rules’. Among Waffen SS units formed were Ukrainian, Estonian, Latvian, Italian, French, two Russian and Yugoslavian Muslim. Also there were several West European units. The unit I know the most about is The Black March. It was written by a young German who served in the 5th Waffen SS Panzergrenadier Division Wiking which was composed mostly of Dutch and Walloons.

As I said, fascinating book.

63 Jenner7  Jun 27, 2015 7:34:37pm

re: #61 HappyWarrior

Yeah, I heard this stupid argument by Mary Katharine Ham on Real Time.

64 Whack-A-Mole  Jun 27, 2015 7:35:57pm

re: #6 Irving

Coming later this week: the GoFundMe to help these poor people who are being persecuted for their beliefs. The grift is strong with this one.

65 BeachDem  Jun 27, 2015 7:36:29pm

re: #60 RealityBasedSteve

Thanks… I’ll have to check her out.

RBS

If you read her Amazon bio, you’ll get an idea of her humor. I love her—a tiny example:

Bless Your Heart, Tramp was nominated for the James Thurber Prize in 2001. David Sedaris won. He wins everything…We’re Just Like You, Only Prettier was a finalist for the James Thurber Prize for American Humor. Jon Stewart won. He and David Sedaris probably went out drinking afterwards. I’m sorry, did that sound bitter?

66 teleskiguy  Jun 27, 2015 7:37:11pm
67 HappyWarrior  Jun 27, 2015 7:38:21pm

re: #63 Jenner7

Yeah, I heard this stupid argument by Mary Katharine Ham on Real Time.

In that way I actually consider Cheney more detestable than Alan Keyes. Keyes’ homophobia is awful and inexcusable but Cheney was in a position to fight against it as VP and did nothing against it. I remain not a fan of John Edwards but the attacks on Edwards when he brought up Mary Cheney’s sexuality were pathetic.

68 Lidane  Jun 27, 2015 7:39:11pm

That moment when you get an email from the boss telling everyone that they’re expected in the office tomorrow at 11am so we can knock out everything that’s left for The Client Who Shall Not Be Named, since the first part of that project is due this week.

Fun times.

69 HappyWarrior  Jun 27, 2015 7:39:14pm

re: #62 Romantic Heretic

Just finished this book: Waffen SS: The Asphalt Soldiers by John Keegan.

He mentioned that Liebstandarte had American members.

Fascinating book. Himmler, in his drive to have a private army, really twisted the ‘Aryan rules’. Among Waffen SS units formed were Ukrainian, Estonian, Latvian, Italian, French, two Russian and Yugoslavian Muslim. Also there were several West European units. The unit I know the most about is The Black March. It was written by a young German who served in the 5th Waffen SS Panzergrenadier Division Wiking which was composed mostly of Dutch and Walloons.

As I said, fascinating book.

Yeah the Waffen SS at the end of the war were quite a multi-ethnic fighting machine. The hatred of communism ran that deep.

70 Decatur Deb  Jun 27, 2015 7:39:50pm

Won’t be online much for a couple weeks—the grandparent summer cycle has kicked in again. This week we have the 4-yr old. Our second rocket launch is Monday, and he’s getting surprisingly involved with Civ 4—has no trouble navigating the play map by way of the tactical insert. Boys that age are generally a pain in the ass, but I get to make animal noises again with the bedtime stories.

71 Higgs Boson's Mate  Jun 27, 2015 7:40:04pm

re: #64 Whack-A-Mole

Coming later this week: the GoFundMe to help these poor people who are being persecuted for their beliefs. The grift is strong with this one.

It shouldn’t be long until someone in Congress demands that we pay reparations to all of those who feel persecuted.

72 HappyWarrior  Jun 27, 2015 7:40:29pm

re: #64 Whack-A-Mole

Coming later this week: the GoFundMe to help these poor people who are being persecuted for their beliefs. The grift is strong with this one.

If I knew what I did now, I wouldn’t go to school and I’d just start a bigoted business and get called out for being a bigot and I’d have all the right wingers on the internets to bail me out and then some. Right wing grift, it pays quite well.

73 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jun 27, 2015 7:41:57pm

Re the woman in the OP: Isn’t that Candace Cameron?

re: #48 RealityBasedSteve

I’ve noticed an interesting trend now in RWNJ land. That marriage should be the domain of the church, and the state would have no role in it. That only a “religious marriage is valid”. They gloat that this would “get the state out of our lives”. They seem to feel that this would eliminate the “problem” of SSM.

It doesn’t seem to enter into their calculus on this is that many churches / houses of worship are perfectly fine performing SSM.

Ok RWNJs, can you see the path you’re heading down?

Bueller…. Bueller…..

RBS

They’ve got it just exactly backwards. There is no such thing as “religious marriage” in this country. You need a marriage license issued by the County Clerk, and all you need to finalize it is to stand up in front of a judge at the courthouse.

What’s confusing them is that we allow clergypeople to sign off on marriages as well, when they have a ceremony in a place of worship—but they’re just standing in for judges. What counts is the marriage certificate, which needs no religious functionary at all.

Let’s take away that courtesy clergy-subbing-as-judges and get religion out of the wedding business altogether.

74 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Jun 27, 2015 7:43:02pm

re: #72 HappyWarrior

If I knew what I did now, I wouldn’t go to school and I’d just start a bigoted business and get called out for being a bigot and I’d have all the right wingers on the internets to bail me out and then some. Right wing grift, it pays quite well.

I hear there’s a market for Confederate flag merchandise. If you have a back room, you can sell racy ISIS flags, too. The Stars&Bars can just be a cover.

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75 HappyWarrior  Jun 27, 2015 7:44:20pm

re: #74 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

I hear there’s a market for Confederate flag merchandise. If you have a back room, you can sell racy ISIS flags, too. The Stars&Bars can just be a cover.

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Brilliant.

76 Eclectic Cyborg  Jun 27, 2015 7:46:29pm

re: #75 HappyWarrior

Brilliant.

Welcome to Big Bad Bob’s Bodaciously Bigoted Flags!

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77 sagehen  Jun 27, 2015 7:47:11pm

re: #73 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

Let’s take away that courtesy clergy-subbing-as-judges and get religion out of the wedding business altogether.

That’s what they do in Spain.

If you want your marriage recognized by the church, have it done by a priest in a church. If you want it recognized by the government, have it done in a government building by a government employee. If you want it recognized by both the Church and the government, have two ceremonies.

78 HappyWarrior  Jun 27, 2015 7:47:54pm

re: #76 Eclectic Cyborg

Welcome to Big Bad Bob’s Bodaciously Bigoted Flags!

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79 RealityBasedSteve  Jun 27, 2015 7:51:31pm

I’m off to bed. I may or may not go diving tomorrow. None of my buds will be there (all in Panama City, FL this weekend). I may just chill out, catch up on some studying I have, maybe knock out some proposals for the shop on how to streamline and simplify some of our inventory items. Right now we have some categories of items where we are basically carrying 2 or more essentially interchangeable items from different suppliers. As a result we are carrying inventory that is competing for limited display / storage space.

I’m really enjoying my evolution in the world of retail.

Night all. Here’s a turtle pic I took a few years ago, he was about the size of a 50 cent piece. Camera was my trusty little Panasonic Lumix DMC-ZS3. Still have it, great little Point n Shoot zoom compact.

RBS

80 Interesting Times  Jun 27, 2015 7:52:53pm

Ha!

81 #FergusonFireside  Jun 27, 2015 7:55:00pm

re: #68 Lidane

That moment when you get an email from the boss telling everyone that they’re expected in the office tomorrow at 11am so we can knock out everything that’s left for The Client Who Shall Not Be Named, since the first part of that project is due this week.

Fun times.

Ted Cruz. I so believe that is your penance for getting work.

Good on you, be strong & throw a couple of misspellings in there.

82 #FergusonFireside  Jun 27, 2015 7:56:39pm

re: #71 Higgs Boson’s Mate

It shouldn’t be long until someone in Congress demands that we pay reparations to all of those who feel persecuted.

Reparations. They will never say that word.

Because in reality, Truth & Reconciliation along with Reparations will heal this bullshit system we’ve built.

83 #FergusonFireside  Jun 27, 2015 7:58:23pm

re: #73 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

Re the woman in the OP: Isn’t that Candace Cameron?

They’ve got it just exactly backwards. There is no such thing as “religious marriage” in this country. You need a marriage license issued by the County Clerk, and all you need to finalize it is to stand up in front of a judge at the courthouse.

What’s confusing them is that we allow clergypeople to sign off on marriages as well, when they have a ceremony in a place of worship—but they’re just standing in for judges. What counts is the marriage certificate, which needs no religious functionary at all.

Let’s take away that courtesy clergy-subbing-as-judges and get religion out of the wedding business altogether.

The “Married Filing Jointly” box gives no shit to where you were married.

84 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Jun 27, 2015 8:03:01pm

re: #73 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

Re the woman in the OP: Isn’t that Candace Cameron?

They’ve got it just exactly backwards. There is no such thing as “religious marriage” in this country. You need a marriage license issued by the County Clerk, and all you need to finalize it is to stand up in front of a judge at the courthouse.

What’s confusing them is that we allow clergypeople to sign off on marriages as well, when they have a ceremony in a place of worship—but they’re just standing in for judges. What counts is the marriage certificate, which needs no religious functionary at all.

Let’s take away that courtesy clergy-subbing-as-judges and get religion out of the wedding business altogether.

Many Quaker Meetings don’t have appointed pastors, which has been a Quaker thing since the 1600s For a wedding, there would be a special Meeting for Worship for the couple to exchange vows in front of the entire group, and then everyone would sign a big wedding certificate as witnesses. There was no officiant, per se. The Quakers argued that the certificate was just as valid legally as a marriage license signed by a clergyman/officiant, given the number of witnesses signing off on the matter.

But state laws have no such provisions. So, as a compromise, each Meeting has one or two members who are “bonded ministers” — meaning they have a license from the state to officiate marriages — who sign the civil license.

That’s how it’s done in Kentucky, anyway. YMMV.

Now, if the god-botherers are going to insist that only marriages performed in a church are valid, that’s their right under the 1A. But if that couple expects to get any sort of civil recognition or legal benefits from the marriage, these churches will have to provide a civil marriage license signed by a legally responsible member of the church. Otherwise, in the eyes of the state, the couple would not be legally married.*

In other words, the Quakers fought this battle already, and in a sense lost. Render unto Caesar, and all that.

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* Civil marriage laws are there to benefit the common good, by making it harder to commit bigamy, to marry someone too young to consent or someone too closely related to you by blood, etc. Layered on top of all that are laws regarding inheritance, property ownership, power of attorney, etc., AND naturally there’s always the tax benefits. All of that goes away without a valid marriage license. So, are the churches going to take up the slack?

85 Lidane  Jun 27, 2015 8:04:02pm

re: #81 #FergusonFireside

Ted Cruz. I so believe that is your penance for getting work.

Good on you, be strong & throw a couple of misspellings in there.

Haha, no. TCWSNBN definitely isn’t Ted Cruz. If it was, I’d be actively looking for work right now. It’s something else entirely, but it’s a huge project for the company all the same.

Boo for me having a one day weekend. Blah.

86 #FergusonFireside  Jun 27, 2015 8:08:36pm

I just watched the Giraffe vid again. It is what I need.

dying.

87 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing  Jun 27, 2015 8:14:56pm

re: #12 stpaulbear

A lot of us northerners have read Molly Ivins. ;)

upding for Molly

88 A Cranky One  Jun 27, 2015 8:16:41pm

re: #86 #FergusonFireside

I just watched the Giraffe vid again. It is what I need.

dying.

Thanks to a couple of your comments in the previous thread, I’ve got this going through my head:

…

You’re evil. ;)

89 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 27, 2015 8:19:56pm

Calling it a night here.

laterz…

90 A Cranky One  Jun 27, 2015 8:20:37pm

Now, on the Goat news front, actual goat news:

Goat beauty pageant

91 #FergusonFireside  Jun 27, 2015 8:21:03pm

re: #88 A Cranky One

Thanks to a couple of your comments in the previous thread, I’ve got this going through my head:

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You’re evil. ;)

YAY. That was my hopeful result.

92 #FergusonFireside  Jun 27, 2015 8:23:45pm

re: #88 A Cranky One

Thanks to a couple of your comments in the previous thread, I’ve got this going through my head:

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Video

You’re evil. ;)

RIP that genius.

93 #FergusonFireside  Jun 27, 2015 8:25:54pm

Lawyers Guns & Money

I went home with a waitress, as I always do

…

94 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jun 27, 2015 8:28:31pm

Snerk:

95 A Cranky One  Jun 27, 2015 8:30:02pm

As long as music videos are being posted, here’s something a little different.

Stairway to heaven - by a manualist

96 teleskiguy  Jun 27, 2015 8:31:16pm
97 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Jun 27, 2015 8:34:06pm

re: #96 teleskiguy

Future headline:

Jetpack flier dies in collision with pizza delivery drone

98 #FergusonFireside  Jun 27, 2015 8:34:29pm

re: #95 A Cranky One

As long as music videos are being posted, here’s something a little different.

Stairway to heaven - by a manualist

WAT

99 ramex  Jun 27, 2015 8:35:25pm
Show your pride in Southern culture by wearing this sleek “Heritage Hoodie.” Geraldo promises he won’t blame you for whatever consequences result.
100 A Cranky One  Jun 27, 2015 8:37:58pm

re: #98 #FergusonFireside

WAT

Did I neglect to mention it was evil? Bad me. ;)

101 teleskiguy  Jun 27, 2015 8:39:09pm

Oh Snap!

102 austin_blue  Jun 27, 2015 8:39:09pm

re: #99 ramex

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You know how you can tell who the guy in charge is at a KKK rally?

He’s wearing the fitted sheets.

103 HappyWarrior  Jun 27, 2015 8:40:23pm

re: #101 teleskiguy

Oh Snap!

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Never been a big NASCAR fan but he always seemed like a likable guy.

104 whitebeach  Jun 27, 2015 8:43:36pm

Don’t know if it matters in any way, but long time gone I was walking with my lady love through the Yorkville section of Upper East Side Manhattan. A place with German ties from decades before. A pink balloon came drifting along Second Avenue. For the hell of it I grabbed it. On it was printed in black Magic Marker: Ein Volk, Ein Reich, Ein Fuhrer.

Racist hatred sucks wherever you meet it.

105 teleskiguy  Jun 27, 2015 8:44:01pm

re: #103 HappyWarrior

Never been a big NASCAR fan but he always seemed like a likable guy.

What?!? You don’t like a bunch of rednecks driving 500 miles in a circle at top speed? You’re not an American!

…

106 HappyWarrior  Jun 27, 2015 8:46:49pm

re: #105 teleskiguy

What?!? You don’t like a bunch of rednecks driving 500 miles in a circle at top speed? You’re not an American!

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Ha! I wish they did more videos. Seems the Onion has been focusing more on Clickhole these days.

107 A Cranky One  Jun 27, 2015 8:47:19pm

re: #105 teleskiguy

What?!? You don’t like a bunch of rednecks driving 500 miles in a circle at top speed? You’re not an American!

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Naw, they’re secret libruls. Notice they’re always going left!

108 HappyWarrior  Jun 27, 2015 8:48:08pm

What i expect is crying about how NASCAR is caving to “political correctness.” Because ya know acknowledging that flat’s hatefulness is just PC run amok.

109 HappyWarrior  Jun 27, 2015 8:48:41pm

Really fuckwads you tell an African-American who had generations of his family first enslaved and then treated like second class citizens that the flag isn’t offensive.

110 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jun 27, 2015 8:51:31pm

re: #96 teleskiguy

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So what happened to the Williams WASP?

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111 Jenner7  Jun 27, 2015 8:55:47pm

My cousin posted a video on FB of black people holding/waving the confederate flag.

That’s it, racism solved!

//

112 teleskiguy  Jun 27, 2015 8:56:33pm

re: #110 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

So what happened to the Williams WASP?

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Video

I dunno!

113 #FergusonFireside  Jun 27, 2015 8:58:56pm

re: #111 Jenner7

My cousin posted a video on FB of black people holding/waving the confederate flag.

That’s it, racism solved!

//

They are burning churches. So no. Tell them no.

114 jaunte  Jun 27, 2015 9:06:50pm
115 jaunte  Jun 27, 2015 9:08:31pm

Those girls could have been my daughters, if the State of Texas hadn’t taken them away from their birthparents because of child abuse.

116 Eclectic Cyborg  Jun 27, 2015 9:10:01pm

re: #97 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

Future headline:

Jetpack flier dies in collision with pizza Amazon delivery drone

117 Eclectic Cyborg  Jun 27, 2015 9:13:50pm

In keeping with tonight’s Warron Zevon theme, this song always makes me smile. Either Zevon did his research or he’s a hockey fan but he completely nailed it:

…

Fun fact: The guy yelling “Hit Somebody!” is David Letterman.

Yes, THAT David Letterman!

118 HappyWarrior  Jun 27, 2015 9:15:50pm

re: #114 jaunte

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Sad.

119 #FergusonFireside  Jun 27, 2015 9:17:41pm

re: #117 Eclectic Cyborg

In keeping with tonight’s Warron Zevon theme, this song always makes me smile. Either Zevon did his research or he’s a hockey fan but he completely nailed it:

[Embedded content]

Video

Fun fact: The guy yelling “Hit Somebody!” is David Letterman.

Yes, THAT David Letterman!

I stumbled upon the Letterman shows. Ya, they were buds.

120 teleskiguy  Jun 27, 2015 9:20:09pm

jaunte, I tweeted that Storify you shared once upon a time today. Heartbreaking and maddening for this yankee in Colorado.

121 #FergusonFireside  Jun 27, 2015 9:22:08pm

Did I tell ya’ll? I’ve been yelling from upon high that I have a day off tomorrow. If I mentioned before forgive, its a bfd. I’ve been doing the 7 day for a little more than a month now.

Wish me a great 12 hour night. I am so ready.

122 jaunte  Jun 27, 2015 9:26:50pm

re: #121 #FergusonFireside

Good for you! Have a great, relaxing day.

123 A Cranky One  Jun 27, 2015 9:29:10pm

re: #121 #FergusonFireside

…
Wish me a great 12 hour night. I am so ready.

A day off!!!! Enjoy.

124 teleskiguy  Jun 27, 2015 9:30:13pm

re: #121 #FergusonFireside

I am so ready.

Video

125 Amory Blaine  Jun 27, 2015 9:33:42pm

re: #121 #FergusonFireside

Rock out and have a great time. :)

126 teleskiguy  Jun 27, 2015 9:39:39pm
127 darthstar  Jun 27, 2015 9:39:57pm

Played golf with my folks tonight. Dad is 80. Mom turns 80 on July 4. It’s not easy watching someone who was tireless and fearless slowing down.

Still, we had a good time. And there were deer. Lots of deer. I’ll post pics later or tomorrow. Tired now and want to just go read my book of witches (The Discovery of Witches - All Souls Trilogy by Deborah Harkness….good series. It’s gone from romantic witch-fucks-vampire story to a decent good creatures vs bad creatures nail biter).

128 A Cranky One  Jun 27, 2015 9:44:51pm
Good night lizards. Scaly dreams.
129 teleskiguy  Jun 27, 2015 9:47:09pm

re: #127 darthstar

I wish a long life and union for your folks. My folks are pushing 70 and I can tell that things are starting to slow down a little. Fuck man, there’s something about kin watching kin age, it’s a real mindfuck.

Now, an audience tape of a brand new Umphrey’s McGee song, entitled “In The Black”

MP3 Audio

130 Eclectic Cyborg  Jun 27, 2015 9:49:00pm

re: #129 teleskiguy

I wish a long life and union for your folks. My folks are pushing 70 and I can tell that things are starting to slow down a little. Fuck man, there’s something about kin watching kin age, it’s a real mindfuck.

Now, an audience tape of a brand new Umphrey’s McGee song, entitled “In The Black”

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I’ve been going through that. My grandfather died at 89 in 2011. Almost up until his finally year he was still mentally sharp, though it always bothered him he couldn’t physically do the things he used to do.

My grandmother is still alive and, at 88, is in reasonable health, but is definitely in the decline stage of her life. What’s really gonna kill me though is that, when she passes, my mom will probably sell her house. That house has been in our family for over 50 years and I have so many memories there…

131 teleskiguy  Jun 27, 2015 9:58:15pm

re: #130 Eclectic Cyborg

My grandmother is still alive and, at 88, is in reasonable health, but is definitely in the decline stage of her life. What’s really gonna kill me though is that, when she passes, my mom will probably sell her house. That house has been in our family for over 50 years and I have so many memories there…

Families are fucking weird, man! My mother and her sister (my Aunt Pat, bless her pious heart!) dealt with the same thing when my grandmother moved out of her house and into hospice at the end of her life. This was in 2002.

My grandmother lived in that house for over 40 years. She bought it after her husband (my grandfather I never met) died of lung cancer (She never remarried being the devout Catholic that she was). Aunt Pat is a practicing Catholic today, my mother left the church immediately after high school.

There was much acrimony, lots of lawyer fees and a couple of screaming matches that I witnessed in Sioux Falls, SD (where my grandmother and grandfather are buried).

Mom and Aunt Pat sold the house.

132 William Lewis  Jun 27, 2015 10:01:42pm

I dread when the last of the farm I grew up, pioneered in 1865, gets sold. That will be the third hardest day of my life.

133 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Jun 27, 2015 10:12:27pm

re: #131 teleskiguy

If my family kept my paternal grandma’s modest home on Long Island, I’d be sitting on a cool half-million-dollar property. My maternal grandfather built it in 1925. My dad sold it 30 years later for a modest profit. Had he kept it longer, well, I’d be a lot better off financially now than I am.

In fact, my folks owned a lot on LI somewhere, but had to sell it for financial reasons — taxes or mortgage payments, or something. I was too young to understand the details. I can only imagine what it would be worth now.

Heh. I just checked on Zillow. Grandma’s home is now a multi-family dwelling and last sold for $665K in 2006. If i win the lottery, maybe I can buy it back.

134 teleskiguy  Jun 27, 2015 10:24:02pm

re: #133 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

One of father’s close friends’ and colleague was a teenager when his dad sold a whole city block of Aspen, CO in the late 50s. That lot is two city blocks away from where the Aspen Mountain gondola whisks skiers up the mountain to this day.

My pops’ friend has a baseball field named after him, so, no big loss, right?

135 austin_blue  Jun 27, 2015 10:27:57pm

I’m off to Albuquerque tomorrow for a two day beta test of an ITRC

itrcweb.org

training module for petroleum vapor intrusion on Monday and Tuesday.

Back in Austin on Wednesday. We’ve got a non-stop to London, but anything to ABQ is a connection through Dallas or Houston.

Bother. Five to six hour connection through Dallas Love. I haven’t spent any time in ABQ, so am looking forward to the food possibilities.

Any suggestions? And don’t say “Coyote Cafe” . That’s not happening.

136 Eclectic Cyborg  Jun 27, 2015 10:28:47pm

One advantage that we do have is there’s really only 3 of us to sort the estate.

My mom is an only child and then there’s me and my brother and that’s it. So I suspect limited family drama.

The issue is my mom is divorced and lives on disability. It would make more sense IMO to sell the place she has now and move into the family home but she doesn’t want do to that (don’t ask).I mean really who would choose to be stuck in a mortgage when you don’t have to be? But I digress. Anyway, she’d probably sell off the house and use most of it to pay off her debts and such. I’m curious to see what, if anything, is stipulated in Granny’s will on the matter.

137 Eclectic Cyborg  Jun 27, 2015 10:32:21pm

There’s no Canadian version of Zillow due to information laws, but I do know several homes in her area (a midscale, very desirable, low crime neighbourhood) have sold in the $1 million range.

I swear I’m tempted to offer to move in myself for awhile just to keep from losing it but ultimately it’s up to mom.

138 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Jun 27, 2015 10:35:25pm

re: #137 Eclectic Cyborg

There’s no Canadian version of Zillow due to information laws, but I do know several homes in her area (a midscale, very desirable, low crime neighbourhood) have sold in the $1 million range.

I swear I’m tempted to offer to move in myself for awhile just to keep from losing it but ultimately it’s up to mom.

Could you and your brother go halfsies on the property taxes and maintenance costs? Or have you considered renting it out?

139 hamletta  Jun 27, 2015 10:36:14pm

re: #52 ObserverArt

And Branson is really bad. I used to date a guy who worked for Johnny Cash. Back in the ’80s when all the country stars were building theaters there, he had similar plans. They had architectural plans and renderings done, the whole nine yards.

Then Cash found out Branson was a sundown town and killed the project.

140 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Jun 27, 2015 10:37:12pm

re: #137 Eclectic Cyborg

2015 taxes on my grandmother’s former home (where I lived the first three years of my life) were $7,500. That’s Long Island for ya

141 austin_blue  Jun 27, 2015 10:39:54pm

re: #140 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

2015 taxes on my grandmother’s former home (where I lived the first three years of my life) were $7,500. That’s Long Island for ya

Shit, dude, my property tax bill for 2015 is $9,800. That’s Texas for ya.

142 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Jun 27, 2015 10:49:02pm

re: #141 austin_blue

Shit, dude, my property tax bill for 2015 is $9,800. That’s Texas for ya.

How big a house? Grandma’s has about 1700 sq ft, according to Zillow. 3BR 2BA

During break time in my classes Thursday, I decided to show my freshmen aerial views of my high school, grade school and childhood home. Both schools are much bigger now, and my childhood home — the ranch house that my dad built from a Lincoln Homes kit — is unrecognizable. Judging from the aerial view, that house was torn down and a new, ginormous McMansion built in its place. Kinda sad. But my next-door neighbor’s former house looks pretty much the same as it did 40 years ago. Even the same color. Even so, it’s worth more than $700K now, though.

143 austin_blue  Jun 27, 2015 10:56:33pm

re: #142 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

How big a house? Grandma’s has about 1700 sq ft, according to Zillow. 3BR 2BA

During break time in my classes Thursday, I decided to show my freshmen aerial views of my high school, grade school and childhood home. Both schools are much bigger now, and my childhood home — the ranch house that my dad built from a Lincoln Homes kit — is unrecognizable. Judging from the aerial view, that house was torn down and a new, ginormous McMansion built in its place. Kinda sad. But my next-door neighbor’s former house looks pretty much the same as it did 40 years ago. Even the same color. Still worth more than $700K now, though.

1000 sq ft in the front, and a 400 sq ft finished-out 2-car garage in the back with a scabbed on full bath/washer-dryer addition on the side.

Nice little compound. The back house has been a studio for She Who Must Be Obeyed and her harps, and an overflow space for visiting friends.

Bought in 1997 for $155,000, and the mortgage paid off in December, 2013, the valuation is now $475,000. Since we don’t have a State income tax and a pittance from the State for schools, property taxes are huge.

It sucks.

144 Eclectic Cyborg  Jun 27, 2015 11:00:32pm

re: #138 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

Could you and your brother go halfsies on the property taxes and maintenance costs? Or have you considered renting it out?

I love both ideas, but we still have the roadblock of convincing mom not to sell and I doubt we’ll able to.

145 teleskiguy  Jun 27, 2015 11:02:39pm

re: #140 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

re: #141 austin_blue

146 Eclectic Cyborg  Jun 27, 2015 11:05:50pm

My property taxes run about $600/yr here in MS. That’s for the house and a 5 acre lot. Now it is an older house and we do get a homestead exemption.

147 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Jun 27, 2015 11:09:54pm

re: #144 Eclectic Cyborg

I love both ideas, but we still have the roadblock of convincing mom not to sell and I doubt we’ll able to.

Renting it out means a somewhat reliable revenue stream for her. If she already has a mortgage, she could use the rental property to pay for it. Either she stays where she is, and rents out the old house, or vice versa. That’s what I’d do, if it were me.

Forget the sentimental value. Talk cold, hard cash.

148 austin_blue  Jun 27, 2015 11:12:31pm

re: #145 teleskiguy

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Exactly! I couldn’t have spewed it any better myself.

Night all, early flight tomorrow.

Be well, sweet dreams, and if you happen to run into any Republican Presidential candidate, do us all a favor and punch them in the nose. This should be a standard practice for every American. These ass clowns deserve our attention and scorn. Maybe they’d get the message.

149 Amory Blaine  Jun 28, 2015 12:07:53am

We need a rainbow football for the header. :)

150 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Jun 28, 2015 12:08:51am

re: #149 Amory Blaine

We need a rainbow football for the header. :)

Little ROYGBIV Footballs

151 Tigger2  Jun 28, 2015 12:18:51am

re: #101 teleskiguy

Oh Snap!

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Oh good god all his redneck confederate flag waving fans will go fucking nuts. lol

152 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jun 28, 2015 12:29:01am

re: #150 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

Little ROYGBIV Footballs

You know, the “I” in that made me think….

The SoCons are shrieking “The Supreme Court can’t change the Laws of Nature™!!” If you look at the rainbow flag, looks like nobody can.

Isaac Newton wanted seven nameable colors in the spectrum to go with the seven planets, seven days of the week, seven notes of the musical scale, seven deadly sins, etc., etc., etc. Such was his influence that we now see a separate color “orange” between red and yellow (notice it had to be named by example). But not even Newton could make us see a separate color “indigo” between blue and violet….

153 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Jun 28, 2015 12:36:43am

re: #152 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

You know, the “I” in that made me think….

The SoCons are shrieking “The Supreme Court can’t change the Laws of NatureTM!!” If you look at the rainbow flag, looks like nobody can.

Isaac Newton wanted seven nameable colors in the spectrum to go with the seven planets, seven days of the week, seven notes of the musical scale, seven deadly sins, etc., etc., etc. Such was his influence that we now see a separate color “orange” between red and yellow (notice it had to be named by example). But not even Newton could make us see a separate color “indigo” between blue and violet….

Some science books leave the “I” out and only have ROYGBV. I think that’s the norm here in China.

The Wikipedia article on indigo says Newton’s blue is today’s cyan, and his indigo is today’s blue. So, it’s a matter of debate whether the “I” should be in there for color reasons, but it makes spelling Roy G. Biv a lot easier. :-)

154 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jun 28, 2015 12:42:03am

re: #153 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

Some science books leave the “I” out and only have ROYGBV. I think that’s the norm here in China.

The Wikipedia article on indigo says Newton’s blue is today’s cyan, and his indigo is today’s blue. So, it’s a matter of debate whether the “I” should be in there for color reasons, but it makes spelling Roy G. Biv a lot easier. :-)

Plus “violet” is really a technical term (again, named by waving an example in someone’s face.) “Purple” is a mixture of violet and red, and that’s the term you hear people use.

155 Tigger2  Jun 28, 2015 1:09:33am

I’m going to miss Stewart. His piece on the Confederate Flag debate.

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156 funky chicken  Jun 28, 2015 1:12:10am

re: #3 Irving

Why on Earth did she think that stepping in front of the camera and talking about this was a good idea?

Well the Klan didn’t exist until after the end of the War of Northern Aggression, so of course it’s not about slavery.

/

157 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jun 28, 2015 1:13:55am

Sadly, it turns out the famous fried rat from KFC was really—are you ready for it? Sure you’re sitting down…OK…it was really:

What KFC’s DNA Test Revealed About Customer’s Claim That Chicken Tender Was Fried Rat

chicken. (Sad trombone).

158 goddamnedfrank  Jun 28, 2015 1:16:09am

re: #153 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

Some science books leave the “I” out and only have ROYGBV. I think that’s the norm here in China.

The Wikipedia article on indigo says Newton’s blue is today’s cyan, and his indigo is today’s blue. So, it’s a matter of debate whether the “I” should be in there for color reasons, but it makes spelling Roy G. Biv a lot easier. :-)

ROYGBIV is easy to remember but is actually useless for trying to figure out how shit works, which should be the point of a science text. Because of the way human perception works it’s far more useful to think of color in terms of additive RGB and subtractive CMY wavelengths, or RYGCBM - “Really Young Girls Can Become Mommies.” It’s kind of creepy but allows you to teach color theory in sex ed class, so that’s a bonus.

159 Tigger2  Jun 28, 2015 1:17:26am

re: #157 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

Sadly, it turns out the famous fried rat from KFC was really—are you ready for it? Sure you’re sitting down…OK…it was really:

What KFC’s DNA Test Revealed About Customer’s Claim That Chicken Tender Was Fried Rat

chicken. (Sad trombone).

LOL Anyone with an ounce of brain matter would know that was a hoax KFC has to much to lose to do that kind of stuff. When I was young my dad owned 2 of them his mission in life before he died was to make sure his stores put out the best product it could, one of his stores was one of the very first to start using the biscuits instead of the dinner rolls (That was in the early 70s), They did that because they served breakfast. It were across the road from My Old Kentucky Home State Park and got a lot of business from his Breakfast he served.

160 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jun 28, 2015 1:20:50am

re: #158 goddamnedfrank

ROYGBIV is easy to remember but is actually useless for trying to figure out how shit works, which should be the point of a science text. Because of the way human perception works it’s far more useful to think of color in terms of additive RGB and subtractive CMY wavelengths, or RYGCBM - “Really Young Girls Can Become Mommies.” It’s kind of creepy but allows you to teach color theory in sex ed class, so that’s a bonus.

Not as creepy as the resistor color code: Black, Brown, Red, Orange, Yellow, Green, Blue, Violet, Gray, White, Gold, Silver, None = “Bad Boys Rape Our Young Girls But Violet Gives Willingly—Get Some Now”.

161 Nyet  Jun 28, 2015 1:23:42am

Here’s a disabled Russian girl whose new American family managed to get her out of Russia before Putin prohibited adoption by US citizens.

I remember reading how a certain fucker here (now banned) used to defend that bloodthirsty law. God, he needed some buttkicking for goodness.

162 goddamnedfrank  Jun 28, 2015 1:23:55am

re: #157 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

Sadly, it turns out the famous fried rat from KFC was really—are you ready for it? Sure you’re sitting down…OK…it was really:

What KFC’s DNA Test Revealed About Customer’s Claim That Chicken Tender Was Fried Rat

chicken. (Sad trombone).

Was it real chicken or chicken of the cave?

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163 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jun 28, 2015 1:27:55am

re: #162 goddamnedfrank

Was it real chicken or chicken of the cave?

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Hah! Probably as close as KFC gets to real chicken. Really, I consider their stuff not worth eating. The Safeway deli is better—and the Fred Meyer deli is way better. That oughta tell you something.

What really sucks is their mashed potatoes and gravy, though.

164 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jun 28, 2015 1:28:48am

re: #161 Nyet

Here’s a disabled Russian girl whose new American family managed to get her out of Russia before Putin prohibited adoption by US citizens.

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I remember reading how a certain fucker here (now banned) used to defend that bloodthirsty law. God, he needed some buttkicking for goodness.

I wouldn’t waste the buttkicking on some internet troll—save it up for Putin.

165 Tigger2  Jun 28, 2015 1:35:33am

re: #162 goddamnedfrank

Was it real chicken or chicken of the cave?

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Video

LOL. I forgot that part of that movie, What we used was real chicken I breaded tons of that stuff in my younger days,

166 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jun 28, 2015 1:36:27am

Aw shit—the goddamn antivaxxers are gonna lose their fucking minds. (Yeah, I know—what minds?)

And calling this asshole an “autism researcher”—WTF?

167 funky chicken  Jun 28, 2015 1:38:31am

re: #10 jaunte

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If Yankees shot his “Great-grandpa” he’s either a lot older than he looks or they didn’t shoot him in the Civil War. Maybe he got shot burgling a house in Pennsylvania.

So great-grandpa was a traitor. Congrats I guess?

168 William of Orange  Jun 28, 2015 2:02:14am

The name Nathan was a dead giveaway…

169 Nyet  Jun 28, 2015 2:15:50am

re: #168 William of Orange

Still, Forrest Gump he ain’t.

170 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Jun 28, 2015 2:23:48am

re: #48 RealityBasedSteve

I’ve noticed an interesting trend now in RWNJ land. That marriage should be the domain of the church, and the state would have no role in it. That only a “religious marriage is valid”. They gloat that this would “get the state out of our lives”. They seem to feel that this would eliminate the “problem” of SSM.

It doesn’t seem to enter into their calculus on this is that many churches / houses of worship are perfectly fine performing SSM.

Ok RWNJs, can you see the path you’re heading down?

Bueller…. Bueller…..

RBS

It is up to the government to enforce the rights and privileges that come with the civil status of marriage. Those have nothing to do with the sacrament of Holy Matrimony, which is the church’s bailiwick.

But do not try to explain these distinctions to an opponent of gay marriage.

171 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Jun 28, 2015 2:32:32am

re: #167 funky chicken

So great-grandpa was a traitor. Congrats I guess?

Grandpa could well have been a sincere but misguided southern patriot.

And if the family wants to celebrate that heritage by displaying the flag as private citizens, that is still allowed.

But the CSA flag has no place on any government property outside a museum or historical site.

172 Nyet  Jun 28, 2015 2:38:29am

re: #171 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

Grandpa could well have been a sincere but misguided southern patriot.

And if the family wants to celebrate that heritage by displaying the flag as private citizens, that is still allowed.

But the CSA flag has no place on any government property outside a museum or historical site.

QFT.

PS: though gramps was still at least an idiotic bigot.

173 Nyet  Jun 28, 2015 2:40:07am

I’ve read some whines recently about how scary liberals want to “re-examine” the legacy of the Founding Fathers because some owned slaves etc.

Frankly, I wouldn’t even want to disabuse the wingnuts of this notion. I think their legacy should be re-examined in the light of slavery.

174 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Jun 28, 2015 2:43:43am

re: #173 Nyet

I’ve read some whines recently about how scary liberals want to “re-examine” the legacy of the Founding Fathers because some owned slaves etc.

Frankly, I wouldn’t even want to disabuse the wingnuts of this notion. I think their legacy should be re-examined in the light of slavery.

And remind us that their “original intent” excluded rights for slaves and women.

175 Nyet  Jun 28, 2015 2:45:10am

re: #174 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

And remind us that their “original intent” excluded rights for slaves and women.

That’s exactly why their legacy should be “unter die Lupe genommen werden”.

176 Nyet  Jun 28, 2015 2:48:18am

During the discussion of Putin’s anti-orphan law - the so-called “law of the scoundrels”, as it is called by Russians with conscience - some Orthodox Christian activists claimed that it’s better that these kids will die in Russia as orthodox Christians than live on in the immoral, gay-loving West.

177 Nyet  Jun 28, 2015 2:57:54am

OK, the video of that Taiwan party is horrible. Thankfully no fatal cases as of yet, but it’s too early.

178 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing  Jun 28, 2015 3:32:15am

re: #117 Eclectic Cyborg

In keeping with tonight’s Warron Zevon theme, this song always makes me smile. Either Zevon did his research or he’s a hockey fan but he completely nailed it:

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Fun fact: The guy yelling “Hit Somebody!” is David Letterman.

Yes, THAT David Letterman!

Upding! And my fav Zevon song (among many)
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179 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing  Jun 28, 2015 3:40:56am
Lynyrd Skynyrd were unavailable to update their comments in 2012 regarding the Confederate flag. However two members of another band from the region, one that perhaps embodies Southern rock more than anyone over the past decade and a half, were available: the Drive-By Truckers.
Singer/songwriters Patterson Hood and Mike Cooley have plenty to say on the topic, and their perspective is decidedly different from that of the average Skynyrd fan.
“I’m from Alabama,” says Patterson Hood, “I lived in the South my entire life. I have ancestors who fought in that ill-begotten war, but it’s way, way past time to move on … That [Civil] War was what, 150 years ago? It’s time to move on. It should have been a moot point years ago. The flag represents an act of war against the United States.”

Patterson says that no matter what heritage or history debate exists, the Confederate flag was always about racism.
“It’s like the swastika,” he says, “which has been around for thousands of years, but it will forever, for all eternity, be considered part of the Holocaust, one of the most terrible things humanity has ever done to itself. The Confederate flag is like that; and the events of last week added a new dimension to it.”

The Confederate Flag Scrutinized by Drive-By Truckers, Lynyrd Skynyrd « Radio.com

ETA: sorry, blockquote fail.

180 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing  Jun 28, 2015 3:46:00am

And, I killed the thread. :/

181 Nyet  Jun 28, 2015 3:53:12am

A user named “The Mad Jewess”, who claims to be a “Torah-abiding Jew” and was to be frequently found in Upchuck’s comments, writes on its blog:

It is said that these atheist ‘Jews’ hated the Tzar because of his anti semitism.. A question remains that I would need answering: Why was the Tzar anti semitic? Did he also have to deal with the Chuck Schumers of his day? Debbie Wasserman Shultz’, Boxer’s? Feinsteins? That’s enough to make even sane Jews turn into anti semites..

Gee, how can wingnuttery lead to antisemitism? /

182 Tigger2  Jun 28, 2015 3:55:50am

Nope ya didn’t Rev., I was at DK, I need to stay away from there for a while the Sanders lovefest is driving me nuts, I just don’t think he can win the general without independents. And Sanders has called himself a socialist so many times the Republicans will use that to smash him over the head and scare Independents away from him.

183 Tigger2  Jun 28, 2015 4:03:10am

Sorry ya didn’t like that William but it’s true.

184 Nyet  Jun 28, 2015 4:06:26am

Lots of the sting was taken from the “socialist” label by the wingnuts who call everyone slightly to the left of them a socialist.

185 William Lewis  Jun 28, 2015 4:06:34am

re: #182 Tigger2

They may think he can win; as your local card carrying Democratic Socialist, I’ll say no. But what he can do is profoundly influence the debate over the issues within the Democratic Party during the primary process. If he can get Hillary to stake out more centrist positions than her blue dog inclination is, then Sanders will have won in a real way.

I’ll be the first to say I’d rather have him as president but that’s just not going to happen. So let’s try to pull the Overton window back the other direction for a change.

186 Nyet  Jun 28, 2015 4:08:18am

DKos was 90% for Edwards back in the good ole days. How did that work out?

(This comment is not about Sanders, whom I respect; it’s about not being too fan-boyish about politicians, as the Kossacks are sometimes wont to).

187 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing  Jun 28, 2015 4:08:30am

re: #182 Tigger2

re: #185 William Lewis

I’ve stayed away from Kos precisely because they’ve made a mockery of the term “reality-based community” wrt presidential politics. I don’t think Bernie can win. I’d like him to. But I’m also a realist.

188 Dr Lizardo  Jun 28, 2015 4:08:42am

re: #184 Nyet

Lots of the sting was taken from the “socialist” label by the wingnuts who cal everyone slightly to the left of them a socialist.

ARNOLD SCHWARZENEGGER IS A GODLESS COMMIENAZI SOCIALIST ‘CAUSE HE SUPPORTS SAME-SEX MARRIAGE!11!

And while I wrote that in jest, a lot of the wingnuts really believe it. And that’s just plain crazy.

189 Tigger2  Jun 28, 2015 4:09:52am

re: #185 William Lewis

They may think he can win; as your local card carrying Democratic Socialist, I’ll say no. But what he can do is profoundly influence the debate over the issues within the Democratic Party during the primary process. If he can get Hillary to stake out more centrist positions than her blue dog inclination is, then Sanders will have won in a real way.

I’ll be the first to say I’d rather have him as president but that’s just not going to happen. So let’s try to pull the Overton window back the other direction for a change.

You aren’t going to do it with just one President it’s going to take a while, and probably the same way the Republicans pulled it right by local government up.

And by the way I like Sanders a lot. And I do like he is pulling the conversation to the left.

190 Nyet  Jun 28, 2015 4:11:11am

Top diary on DKos rec list:

Bernie Sanders will beat Hillary and become the 45th President of the United States

191 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing  Jun 28, 2015 4:12:24am

re: #190 Nyet

Top diary on DKos rec list:

They don’t call it the Wreck List for nothing.

192 Nyet  Jun 28, 2015 4:12:29am

And yes, sorry, but your new Dem President should be able to be 2-term.

193 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jun 28, 2015 4:13:28am

re: #187 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing

I’ve stayed away from Kos precisely because they’ve made a mockery of the term “reality-based community” wrt presidential politics. I don’t think Bernie can win. I’d like him to. But I’m also a realist.

Yeah, here’s a Kossack who’s finally after this week, given up on Obama altogether….

194 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing  Jun 28, 2015 4:13:54am

re: #189 Tigger2

You aren’t going to do it with just one President it’s going to take a while, and probably the same way the Republicans pulled it right by local government up.

And by the way I like Sanders a lot.

This is really the key. The Dems can win at the national level, but we’re getting our asses kicked at the local, state, and legislative levels by mouthbreathing nutjobs. Solve that problem and we’ve solved the world. ;)

195 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing  Jun 28, 2015 4:14:41am

re: #193 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

Yeah, here’s a Kossack who’s finally after this week, given up on Obama altogether….

Obama in the situation room
196 Decatur Deb  Jun 28, 2015 4:15:53am

re: #168 William of Orange

The name Nathan was a dead giveaway…

Dixie Outfitters loves them some NBF.

197 Dr Lizardo  Jun 28, 2015 4:18:49am

re: #194 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing

This is really the key. The Dems can win at the national level, but we’re getting our asses kicked at the local, state, and legislative levels by mouthbreathing nutjobs. Solve that problem and we’ve solved the world. ;)

The wingnuts have a superb ground game at the local and state level, but at the national level, they underperform - the opposite is true for the Dems; they’re national game is almost matchless…..but at the state and local level, they’ve lost control to the GOP.

There’s reasons for that - Dem GOTV weakness during mid-term election cycles, of course, gerrymandering, and other issues to be sure. If the Democrats can overcome those difficulties, then they’ll be at the top of their game. Gerrymandering will be the most difficult thing to overcome, though if you look at it from a long-game perspective, demographic projections simply don’t bode well for the GOP.

198 Nyet  Jun 28, 2015 4:20:27am

The oldest Pres at inauguration was Reagan, 69. And we know that he got age issues in the end. Sorry, Bernie, it doesn’t work, realistically.

199 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing  Jun 28, 2015 4:22:14am

re: #196 Decatur Deb

According to Wills, in the August 1867 state elections the Klan was relatively restrained in its actions. White Americans who made up the KKK hoped to persuade black voters that a return to their state of repression and slavery, as it existed before the war, was in their best interest. Forrest assisted in maintaining order. It was only after these efforts failed that Klan violence and intimidation escalated and became widespread.[51] Author Andrew Ward, however, writes, “In the spring of 1867, Forrest and his dragoons launched a campaign of midnight parades; ‘ghost’ masquerades; and ‘whipping’ and even ‘killing Negro voters and white Republicans, to scare blacks off voting and running for office.’”[52]

LOL wut?

200 William Lewis  Jun 28, 2015 4:23:57am

re: #198 Nyet

The oldest Pres at inauguration was Reagan, 69. And we know that he got age issues in the end. Sorry, Bernie, it doesn’t work, realistically.

Agreed, alas. Still if we get what I posted above, I’ll consider my campaign contributions to have been money well spent.

201 Nyet  Jun 28, 2015 4:24:07am

Both Cthulhu and Japan approve:

Image: cnn_logo.jpg

202 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing  Jun 28, 2015 4:24:37am

re: #197 Dr Lizardo

The wingnuts have a superb ground game at the local and state level, but at the national level, they underperform - the opposite is true for the Dems; they’re national game is almost matchless…..but at the state and local level, they’ve lost control to the GOP.

There’s reasons for that - Dem GOTV weakness during mid-term election cycles, of course, gerrymandering, and other issues to be sure. If the Democrats can overcome those difficulties, then they’ll be at the top of their game. Gerrymandering will be the most difficult thing to overcome, though if you look at it from a long-game perspective, demographic projections simply don’t bode well for the GOP.

Agreed, the gerrymandering is the worst issue for Dems atm. I’m not sure how we overcome this other than overwhelming voter turnout, which … doesn’t happen in off-year elections.

A better hope might be Weekend elections? Election day as a holiday?

203 Nyet  Jun 28, 2015 4:27:01am

There’s something to be said about experience etc. (but then it was the main argument against Obama, at least the one spoken out loud), but gerontocracy is also a sort of ageism.

204 Decatur Deb  Jun 28, 2015 4:31:23am

re: #203 Nyet

There’s something to be said about experience etc. (but then it was the main argument against Obama, at least the one spoken out loud), but gerontocracy is also a sort of ageism.

Sanders is ageing out, but it wouldn’t help if he were 50. This country will elect gradualist progressives at best. It cracks me up when lefties think demographics will hand us an effortless, bloodless path to the future. The Sanders generation is dying, the Duggars are on TV.

205 PhillyPretzel  Jun 28, 2015 4:33:29am

re: #202 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing

One state locally tried weekend elections and it was not too successful. It may have been Delaware. As for a holiday it should work but then again too many people think that their vote does not count. There is a major failure in schools to teach civics and local government courses. Most school districts teach kids how to pass the standardized tests so that the school district can get more money from state governments.

206 Nyet  Jun 28, 2015 4:35:52am

re: #204 Decatur Deb

The bright side: there was a time when almost everybody was a “Duggar”; there was a time when almost everybody had David Duke’s views (one should read what Lincoln said about the “separation of races”); there was a time when Fischer-like personalities were Presidents’ spiritual advisers.

You are getting better. There were no “good old days”.

207 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing  Jun 28, 2015 4:36:13am

re: #205 PhillyPretzel

One state locally tried weekend elections and it was not too successful. It may have been Delaware. As for a holiday it should work but then again too many people think that their vote does not count. There is a major failure in schools to teach civics and local government courses. Most school districts teach kids how to pass the standardized tests so that the school district can get more money from state governments.

I do get that sense that “my vote doesn’t count” but I also agree that this is a civics class failure. People in local elections win by tiny vote amounts. I’m not sure people understand how the chain works.

208 PhillyPretzel  Jun 28, 2015 4:42:36am

re: #207 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing

That is exactly my point. I am involved in local elections and I do not know how many times I have heard, “my vote does not count” or even worse, “this is not a real election.” This type of mind set makes me very upset when I hear it. And even when you explain it to someone who makes the above statements they still no matter what you say believe their vote does not count. Apathy is the enemy of democracy.

209 Dr Lizardo  Jun 28, 2015 4:44:34am

re: #202 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing

Agreed, the gerrymandering is the worst issue for Dems atm. I’m not sure how we overcome this other than overwhelming voter turnout, which … doesn’t happen in off-year elections.

A better hope might be Weekend elections? Election day as a holiday?

Personally, I wouldn’t mind seeing weekend voting; that’s how it’s done here in the Czech Republic. Of course, voter apathy is a problem here as well. Election Day as a Federal holiday might not be a bad idea, but let’s face it…..lots of business are open on Federal holidays.

In any event, such a change would necessitate a Constitutional Amendment.

210 Decatur Deb  Jun 28, 2015 4:48:35am

re: #207 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing

I do get that sense that “my vote doesn’t count” but I also agree that this is a civics class failure. People in local elections win by tiny vote amounts. I’m not sure people understand how the chain works.

If you vote at all, you are over-represented by a factor of about 2.

211 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Jun 28, 2015 4:52:43am

re: #208 PhillyPretzel

… I do not know how many times I have heard, “my vote does not count” or even worse, “this is not a real election.” This type of mind set makes me very upset when I hear it.

Except in a Presidential election in Arizona. If you are voting anything but Republican, it is only a sympathy vote for the Democratic candidate…

212 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing  Jun 28, 2015 4:56:41am

re: #210 Decatur Deb

If you vote at all, you are over-represented by a factor of about 2.

This is actually a really good point.

213 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing  Jun 28, 2015 4:58:06am

I know Australia requires a vote. Anyone else?

214 Decatur Deb  Jun 28, 2015 4:58:26am

re: #211 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

Except in a Presidential election in Arizona. If you are voting anything but Republican, it is only a sympathy vote for the Democratic candidate…

Sometimes that works against the bad guys. I only have to drive a dozen miles to join other Dems for canvassing, registration, and GOTV in Florida, where it counts a lot.

215 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Jun 28, 2015 5:05:00am

re: #214 Decatur Deb

Sometimes that works against the bad guys. I only have to drive a dozen miles to join other Dems for canvassing, registration, and GOTV in Florida, where it counts a lot.

I am still a registered Republican in AZ so I can participate in the GOP primaries where it might have at least some outcome on the election.

Although it backfired badly in 1986 when I voted in the primaries for ex-Pontiac dealer Evan Mecham, because I thought him to be the GOP candidate least likely to win a majority.

Then then Democrats nominated a woman, and a disgruntled Democratic candidate ran as in Independent, splitting the vote. Evan Mecham slipped in on a plurality (the rule has since been amended to require a majority) and went on to be impeached for being embarrassingly incompetent.

So much for me and Machiavelli…

216 Decatur Deb  Jun 28, 2015 5:16:02am

re: #215 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

I am still a registered Republican in AZ so I can participate in the GOP primaries where it might have at least some outcome on the election.

Although it backfired badly in 1986 when I voted in the primaries for ex-Pontiac dealer Evan Mecham, because I thought him to be the GOP candidate least likely to win a majority.

Then then Democrats nominated a woman, and a disgruntled Democratic candidate ran as in Independent, splitting the vote. Evan Mecham slipped in on a plurality (the rule has since been amended to require a majority) and went on to be impeached for being embarrassingly incompetent.

So much for me and Machiavelli…

My only attempt at that failed safely, when I voted for this Libertarian:

Dem voting and a little public activism has some shock value here. We held a small, loud rally in a public park during the 2008 campaign. Some of the casual passers-by seemed flabbergasted. With any luck we made them spend some money here defensively.

217 De Kolta Chair  Jun 28, 2015 5:20:29am

Good mornin’ lizards. This tune goes out to Anna Robb Pat Boone Mike Huckabee’s stamp collection …

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218 Decatur Deb  Jun 28, 2015 5:22:58am

re: #190 Nyet

Top diary on DKos rec list:

Bernie Sanders will beat Hillary and become the 45th President of the United States

Awww. Aren’t they cute when they put on grown-up clothes?

219 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jun 28, 2015 5:23:16am

re: #209 Dr Lizardo

Personally, I wouldn’t mind seeing weekend voting; that’s how it’s done here in the Czech Republic. Of course, voter apathy is a problem here as well. Election Day as a Federal holiday might not be a bad idea, but let’s face it…..lots of business are open on Federal holidays.

In any event, such a change would necessitate a Constitutional Amendment.

Of course in Oregon, and now here in Washington, we’ve got vote-by-mail. You get the voter’s pamphlet and ballot a few weeks before the election, fill it out and send it in whenever you feel like it. The envelopes should be Return Mail—at first in Oregon they were, but the Republicans sued, calling the return postage “buying votes”. So you need First-Class postage—which I would call a “Poll Tax”, but what do I know? If you live in a town, there are usually a few drop-off boxes you can put your ballot in, but of course, that takes gas….

I would be for mail-in voting in every state, except—maybe I’m wrong, but it just seems to require more trust than the showing-up-at-the-polling-place system. Of course there’s plenty of jiggery-pokery going on there, too. Thing is, I trust the Washing…well, the King County Election Commission, but how many counties nationwide can be trusted? What about Republican operatives stealing ballots out of mailboxes?

I don’t know the answer, but the mail-in system seems like a way to get better participation. Of course, that’s exactly what the Republicans don’t want.

220 b.d.  Jun 28, 2015 5:35:41am

re: #190 Nyet

Top diary on DKos rec list:

The Bernie Bubble over at kos is very strong and you’ll get pelted with rotted fruit by the peanut gallery if you try and point it out.

It is funny though that the people in the past who have whinged the loudest about “Obama cheerleading diaries” are the 1st ones to grab the Bernie pompons.

221 Nyet  Jun 28, 2015 5:43:39am

re: #220 b.d.

As long as that does not make them not vote for Hillary in the end, let the kids have their fun. (But I’m afraid that it will make some not vote for her.)

222 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jun 28, 2015 5:48:11am

re: #221 Nyet

As long as that does not make them not vote for Hillary in the end, let the kids have their fun. (But I’m afraid that it will make some not vote for her.)

It took a few days after Obama was inaugurated for it to go to “Worse than Bush! He sold us out!” I think Hillary’s been cast into outer darkness even before the campaign gets started.

They think they’re enormously influential opinion leaders, but in the actual electorate, they couldn’t be seen with an atomic force microscope.

223 b.d.  Jun 28, 2015 5:49:11am

re: #221 Nyet

As long as that does not make them not vote for Hillary in the end, let the kids have their fun. (But I’m afraid that it will make some not vote for her.)

It is harmless and, I think, overall good for the Democratic Party and the primary as a whole. I was at kos when they were in this tizzy over Edwards, if I were a dog I would have barked at Edwards the first time I saw him but trying to tell anyone over there then anything not glowing about Edwards would get you slammed.

I’ll vote for Bernie in the primary, if he is still around come Texas time, but I am under no illusion as to his chances. The sad things is that Bernie Bubble really does suck some otherwise sane people into an unreal, cultish, reality denying place.

224 lawhawk  Jun 28, 2015 5:49:40am

Greets and saluts from the NYC metro area. I’m neither surprised nor shocked by anything these days - whether it’s confederate flag sellers and their connections to white supremacist groups like the KKK or people who try and defend the confederate flag as a sign of Southern pride ignoring the long history of hate and slavery for which that flag stood.

The cognitive dissonance and ahistorical nature of these people doesn’t even begin to cover it; and it’s going to get worse as the GOP continues catering to these very people for votes going into 2016.

We’ve got a bunch of GOP canadidates for the WH who are anti-science, push racist policies, misogyny, and are otherwise attempting to thwart equal rights and equal justice for all. There’s simply no other way to put it.

As much as people might have issues with Hillary Clinton or Bernie Sanders or any other Democrats, this crop of GOPers is simply the wrong party for the wrong time and for the wrong nation.

It is hilarious watching right wingers complaining that they want to leave the US after the SCT decisions of the past 2 weeks, including upholding the ACA and legalizing SSM in all 50 states (plus giving full faith and credit to those conducted in the states that had SSM in those that didn’t). Some have said that they’d go to Canada, where they have universal health insurance and SSM has been legal for a decade.

Perhaps the ticket to Russia is too much (where the Putin govt has tried denying homosexuals equal rights, they’re engaging in crackdowns on those who offend the church, and where the quality of life sucks) or they are slowly realizing that Russian bear winters you.

225 Dr Lizardo  Jun 28, 2015 5:52:43am

Meanwhile, here in Euroland, the Greek crisis is of course the big issue.

It’s official, the European Central Bank has decided to maintain the emergency liquidity support on offer to Greece, but it has also not provided any extra help.

In a statement, the ECB says that it has decided to maintain the ELA ceiling at Friday’s limit (that’s 89 billion Euro).

So it hasn’t pulled the plug, but it also hasn’t provided extra funding to cover the funds that have flowed out of Greek banks this weekend.

For weeks, the ECB has been agreeing to requests from Greece for extra emergency liquidity, often providing a billions euros or more each week.

So if there’s no extra ELA, that is going to make it harder for banks to handle withdrawals.

ELA means Emergency Liquidity Assistance.

Greece has a problem - aside from having to cough up over one billion Euro come the 30th, they also have pensions and salaries to meet as well, and those are supposed to start going out tomorrow.

Even before Tuesday when Greece’s bailout programme expires, another deadline is coming towards Alexis Tsipras’s government like an express train.

The end of the month is fast approaching, and with it the payment of wages and pensions which should begin on Monday.

That - and not the bailout expiry - could trigger the closure of the banks and the shutting down of their cash machines, the daily Ta Nea reported today. It said the government was hoping the central bank would transfer 1.5 billion Euro to keep people from leaving bank counters and ATMs empty-handed.

But what no one knows is whether - with or without the support of the ECB — the Bank of Greece has the money to transfer. If not, then the banks may well be shut tomorrow as they prepare for restrictions on depositor withdrawals.

Even if the central bank can scrape together the funds for Monday’s heavy withdrawals, without ECB support, the retail banks look certain to run out of cash once that wages and pensions have been paid. At that point, restrictions would become inevitable.

Ta Nea said that adjusting the country’s ATMs would take two to three days, during which the banks would need to remain closed.

I’m not too sure how you’d say this in Greek, but I suppose the sentiment is universal:

226 Dr Lizardo  Jun 28, 2015 5:54:36am

re: #224 lawhawk

I’m surprised the wingnuts haven’t thought of going to Uganda. Too “ethnic-y” for them, maybe? I mean, hell…..the weather’s nice!

227 Nyet  Jun 28, 2015 5:55:16am

I’m taking a look at that hilarious Hillaryis44 dead-ender regularly now, cog-dis is an curious thing to behold.

Of course he’s gone birther years ago, but this seems to be a new low:

Was Dylann Storm Roof a racist? Probably, even though he had buddies who were black.

228 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Jun 28, 2015 5:58:50am

re: #223 b.d.

I’ll vote for Bernie in the primary, if he is still around come Texas time, but I am under no illusion as to his chances. The sad things is that Bernie Bubble really does suck some otherwise sane people into an unreal, cultish, reality denying place.

I would like to actually vote for somebody for a change, but in the case of HIllary, it is simply that she is preferable to anyone the GOP could possibly nominate.

229 b.d.  Jun 28, 2015 6:00:06am

re: #226 Dr Lizardo

I’m surprised the wingnuts haven’t thought of going to Uganda. Too “ethnic-y” for them, maybe? I mean, hell…..the weather’s nice!

Can’t they carve out their own new country in Arizona somewhere out of some squatted on federal lands? Bundytania? Guinea Bundy? Bundyland? Bundystan?

230 Dr Lizardo  Jun 28, 2015 6:01:23am

re: #229 b.d.

Can’t they carve out their own new country in Arizona somewhere out of some squatted on federal lands? Bundytania? Guinea Bundy? Bundyland? Bundystan?

JESUSLAND FTW!!

231 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Jun 28, 2015 6:09:42am

re: #226 Dr Lizardo

I’m surprised the wingnuts haven’t thought of going to Uganda. Too “ethnic-y” for them, maybe? I mean, hell…..the weather’s nice!

Their “Nation of God” vision does not really include that many dark-skinned people…

232 Lidane  Jun 28, 2015 6:14:26am

re: #224 lawhawk

It is hilarious watching right wingers complaining that they want to leave the US after the SCT decisions of the past 2 weeks, including upholding the ACA and legalizing SSM in all 50 states (plus giving full faith and credit to those conducted in the states that had SSM in those that didn’t). Some have said that they’d go to Canada, where they have universal health insurance and SSM has been legal for a decade.

I think my favorite reactions to the SSM decision are the so-called “strict constitutionalists” and “libertarians” I know who are whining about ZOMG FIVE UNELECTED JUDGES IGNORING TEH PEEPLE. You know, because civil rights should be left up for a popular vote.

It’s almost like these people don’t understand how our system of government works, or what the Constitution actually says.

233 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Jun 28, 2015 6:17:34am

re: #232 Lidane

I think my favorite reactions to the SSM decision are the so-called “strict constitutionalists” and “libertarians” I know who are whining about ZOMG FIVE UNELECTED JUDGES IGNORING TEH PEEPLE. You know, because civil rights should be left up for a popular vote.

It’s almost like these people don’t understand how our system of government works, or what the Constitution actually says.

Or that the SCOTUS judges are nominated by an elected President and confirmed by an elected Congress…

Oh fugeddabout it… We cannot reason with these people, we can only hope to try to limit the amount of damage they can cause and try to educate others to be less clueless.

234 b.d.  Jun 28, 2015 6:25:03am

re: #232 Lidane

I think my favorite reactions to the SSM decision are the so-called “strict constitutionalists” and “libertarians” I know who are whining about ZOMG FIVE UNELECTED JUDGES IGNORING TEH PEEPLE. You know, because civil rights should be left up for a popular vote.

It’s almost like these people don’t understand how our system of government works, or what the Constitution actually says.

They are advocating for putting Judge Judy on the Supreme Court.

235 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jun 28, 2015 6:28:40am

Well, remember SpaceX is launching its 7th cargo mission to the ISS—and they’re going to try to recover the first stage again.

Coverage has started on NASA TV, and will start on SpaceX’s Webcast at 7 A.M. Pacific/10 A.M. Eastern.

236 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jun 28, 2015 6:29:17am

re: #234 b.d.

They are advocating for putting Judge Judy on the Supreme Court.

God, my girlfriend watches that every once in a while—why nobody’s taken a tire iron to that old bat long before now is one of life’s great mysteries….

237 Jayleia  Jun 28, 2015 6:39:29am

re: #228 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

A chunk of rotten cheese is a better candidate than anyone the GOP can nominate nowadays…

238 PhillyPretzel  Jun 28, 2015 6:45:36am

re: #237 Jayleia

That is why this town in Alaska has a cat as mayor. en.wikipedia.org

239 The Vicious Babushka  Jun 28, 2015 6:48:30am

Oh hai lizardia. Welp the power is out here since last night. DTE Energy says the ETA for restoration is Monday night :(

I’m in the car on my phone using the car charger.

240 PhillyPretzel  Jun 28, 2015 6:54:54am

re: #239 The Vicious Babushka

Don’t you have a back up generator or a stand-by battery? This is what I have for those power failure/outages. amazon.com

241 De Kolta Chair  Jun 28, 2015 6:58:50am
242 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Jun 28, 2015 7:01:14am
243 lawhawk  Jun 28, 2015 7:05:41am

re: #242 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

244 Decatur Deb  Jun 28, 2015 7:07:25am

re: #235 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

Well, remember SpaceX is launching its 7th cargo mission to the ISS—and they’re going to try to recover the first stage again.

Coverage has started on NASA TV, and will start on SpaceX’s Webcast at 7 A.M. Pacific/10 A.M. Eastern.

In terms of successful recovery, the kid and I are 2 for 2 with our B-motor Estes. Suck it, SpaceX.

245 Snarknado!  Jun 28, 2015 7:11:15am

re: #239 The Vicious Babushka

May it be sooner. I bought a storage battery — good for at least four full charges — mainly so I could carry it and not worry about phone death during the day, but it worked for our last power failure. Recommended.

246 Decatur Deb  Jun 28, 2015 7:12:35am

re: #245 Snarknado!

May it be sooner. I bought a storage battery — good for at least four full charges — mainly so I could carry it and not worry about phone death during the day, but it worked for our last power failure. Recommended.

It’s fairly easy to find hand-cranked flashlights with USB output.

247 Snarknado!  Jun 28, 2015 7:14:36am

re: #139 hamletta

And I see we have a hatchling. Welcome!

248 Snarknado!  Jun 28, 2015 7:19:14am

re: #246 Decatur Deb

It’s fairly easy to find hand-cranked flashlights with USB output.

I have a hand-cranked radio. Judging from how much cranking I need to do to get a few minutes of power, I’d have permanently crippled arms if I tried to charge a phone with it.

249 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Jun 28, 2015 7:21:50am

re: #160 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

Not as creepy as the resistor color code: Black, Brown, Red, Orange, Yellow, Green, Blue, Violet, Gray, White, Gold, Silver, None = “Bad Boys Rape Our Young Girls But Violet Gives Willingly—Get Some Now”.

That one I never learned, but I’ve forgotten the one I did. Yours probably would have stuck in my head better.

The mnemonic for stellar spectral types is OBAFGKM = Oh, be a fine girl/guy, kiss me. Not quite as racy as the resistor code.

Anna Jump Cannon devised this classification system. en.wikipedia.org

Type O stars are really effin’ hot, while M stars are relatively cool (red hot) Our Sun is a G star, surface temp about 6500K. Toasty.

250 Decatur Deb  Jun 28, 2015 7:22:14am

re: #248 Snarknado!

I have a hand-cranked radio. Judging from how much cranking I need to do to get a few minutes of power, I’d have permanently crippled arms if I tried to charge a phone with it.

People sometimes forget they have a honkn’ great generator and battery in their driveway.

251 PhillyPretzel  Jun 28, 2015 7:22:34am

re: #248 Snarknado!

I have one of those radios. That is why I got the solar charged battery.

252 Decatur Deb  Jun 28, 2015 7:24:10am

re: #251 PhillyPretzel

I have one of those radios. That is why I got the solar charged battery.

We actually got some use out of one on a camping trip—only has to work once.

253 RadicalModerate  Jun 28, 2015 7:24:51am

Well crap, I think the SpaceX just exploded.

254 Decatur Deb  Jun 28, 2015 7:28:34am

re: #253 RadicalModerate

Well crap, I think the SpaceX just exploded.

Perhaps that was just the booster (again).

dailymail.co.uk

255 PhillyPretzel  Jun 28, 2015 7:29:17am

re: #252 Decatur Deb

That is why I got these. I am sorry that the image is side ways.

256 GlutenFreeJesus  Jun 28, 2015 7:29:47am

re: #253 RadicalModerate

Yup. Saw it. Bummer.

257 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jun 28, 2015 7:31:57am

re: #253 RadicalModerate

Well crap, I think the SpaceX just exploded.

Damn. Was right during staging, it looked like. They’ve had a perfect record really with the Falcon 9, too. Bummer.

258 Snarknado!  Jun 28, 2015 7:31:59am

re: #252 Decatur Deb

We actually got some use out of one on a camping trip—only has to work once.

Mine is part of the earthquake survival pack.

(I don’t own a driveway generator and money sink, though — urban dweller option.)

259 Decatur Deb  Jun 28, 2015 7:35:51am

Media is catching up now—yeah, bummer.

260 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jun 28, 2015 7:37:12am

re: #249 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

That one I never learned, but I’ve forgotten the one I did. Yours probably would have stuck in my head better.

The mnemonic for stellar spectral types is OBAFGKM = Oh, be a fine girl/guy, kiss me. Not quite as racy as the resistor code.

Anna Jump Cannon devised this classification system. en.wikipedia.org

Type O stars are really effin’ hot, while M stars are relatively cool (red hot) Our Sun is a G star, surface temp about 6500K. Toasty.

The Wolf-Rayet stars used to be called a separate Type W at the hot end, and at the cool end there were three types they called “Carbon stars”: R, N, and S that were subdivided by small roman letters instead of numbers.

So it was “Wow! Oh be a fine girl, kiss me right now, sweetie!” Now W has been shoehorned into Type O, and R, N, and S telescoped into S, so you drop the “Wow” and the “right now”.

261 Drive By Commenter  Jun 28, 2015 7:41:02am

This is the only video I can find right now of it. Falcon 9 disintegrates

262 De Kolta Chair  Jun 28, 2015 7:44:36am

re: #261 Drive By Commenter

This is the only video I can find right now of it. Falcon 9 disintegrates

I watched the launch on BBC and they cut away to another story right before this happened.

263 HappyWarrior  Jun 28, 2015 7:45:14am

re: #232 Lidane

I think my favorite reactions to the SSM decision are the so-called “strict constitutionalists” and “libertarians” I know who are whining about ZOMG FIVE UNELECTED JUDGES IGNORING TEH PEEPLE. You know, because civil rights should be left up for a popular vote.

It’s almost like these people don’t understand how our system of government works, or what the Constitution actually says.

My favorite has been Cruz, that esteemed Constitutional scholar demanding elections of Supreme Court judges. Complain about judges being too “political”, make them beholdened to voters, parties, and ideologies, brilliant.// Or that Rhodes Scholar Bobby Jindal who wants to get rid of the USSC all together. What’s really sad is one of the most sane responses to the ruling may have come from Ben Carson. Ben Carson, ya know the guy who has talked about our nation as if we are Nazi Germany 2.0. Wingnuts love to talk about how they understand the Constitution and liberals don’t yet it was the majority led by Kennedy that used the 14th and precedence (Loving) and the minority that was dictated by their personal prejudices against gay marriage and people.

264 RealityBasedSteve  Jun 28, 2015 7:46:05am

It’s a beautiful day here on the Ten-tucky border, a day calling out for diving, or golf, or a long casual bicycle ride.

I must ignore those calls. Have a TON of online classes to catch up on. Going to get some grocery shopping done after my Starbucks break, and spend the day watching “Death By PowerPoint” classes.

Oh well, there will be benefits from it down the road.

RBS

265 HappyWarrior  Jun 28, 2015 7:46:50am

By the way, I never thought about this much but Kennedy was the justice that Reagan chose after Bork was rejected and Ginsberg(Doug not Ruth) withdrew because of admitted marijuana use. So I say thank you Borking too, Robert Bork did not belong on the Supreme Court.

266 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jun 28, 2015 7:47:32am

re: #262 De Kolta Chair

I watched the launch on BBC and they cut away to another story less a minute before this happened.

I was switching back and forth between NASA and SpaceX, and I thought I heard the guy on NASA TV say the vehicle was destroyed by the range safety officer, but I’m not sure. Maybe it blew up on its own. News conference at 12:30 Eastern.

267 Nyet  Jun 28, 2015 7:49:13am

re: #262 De Kolta Chair

I watched the launch on BBC and they cut away to another story right before this happened.

Conspiracy!

268 Drive By Commenter  Jun 28, 2015 7:49:38am

re: #262 De Kolta Chair

I watched the launch on BBC and they cut away to another story less a minute before this happened.

I forgot about it and just stumbled onto the news and the NBC video is useless. I’m sure better will appear.

269 GlutenFreeJesus  Jun 28, 2015 7:50:08am
270 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Jun 28, 2015 7:51:33am

re: #260 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

The Wolf-Rayet stars used to be called a separate Type W at the hot end, and at the cool end there were three types they called “Carbon stars”: R, N, and S that were subdivided by small roman letters instead of numbers.

So it was “Wow! Oh be a fine girl, kiss me right now, sweetie!” Now W has been shoehorned into Type O, and R, N, and S telescoped into S, so you drop the “Wow” and the “right now”.

Y’see, my astronomy knowledge is a bit out of date. After reading the WIkipedia article, I realized that old mnemonic is, well, old.

Then the IAU had to foul things up by taking away Uncle Ned’s pants forever.
My Very Earnest Mother Just Stole Uncle Ned. — Sounds a bit weird, eh?

271 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jun 28, 2015 7:53:53am

re: #270 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

Y’see, my astronomy knowledge is a bit out of date. After reading the WIkipedia article, I realized that old mnemonic is, well, old.

Then the IAU had to foul things up by taking away Uncle Ned’s pants forever.
My Very Earnest Mother Just Stole Uncle Ned. — Sounds a bit weird, eh?

Not as weird as “Mother very easily made jelly sandwiches under no” without the “protest”.

272 Teukka  Jun 28, 2015 7:56:21am

re: #271 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

Not as weird as “Mother very easily made jelly sandwiches under no” without the “protest”.

So she made them under silent protest? *badumtssssh*

273 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Jun 28, 2015 7:57:11am

re: #263 HappyWarrior

My favorite has been Cruz, that esteemed Constitutional scholar demanding elections of Supreme Court judges. Complain about judges being too “political”, make them beholdened to voters, parties, and ideologies, brilliant.// Or that Rhodes Scholar Bobby Jindal who wants to get rid of the USSC all together. What’s really sad is one of the most sane responses to the ruling may have come from Ben Carson. Ben Carson, ya know the guy who has talked about our nation as if we are Nazi Germany 2.0. Wingnuts love to talk about how they understand the Constitution and liberals don’t yet it was the majority led by Kennedy that used the 14th and precedence (Loving) and the minority that was dictated by their personal prejudices against gay marriage and people.

They fucking well know what is going on,but they also know that they have to say something, and they know exactly what their supporters want to hear.

274 HappyWarrior  Jun 28, 2015 7:59:43am

re: #273 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

They fucking well know what is going on,but they also know that they have to say something, and they know exactly what their supporters want to hear.

Oh no doubt. It’s just hyperbolic even for them. They deserve the base they have and their base deserves them.

275 RadicalModerate  Jun 28, 2015 8:06:13am

Reports starting to trickle in about the Falcon 9 failure today - currently hearing that the second stage LOX tank experienced a rupture and the downrange safety officer sent the self-destruct command. There’s conflicting info that the service and cargo modules may have successfully jetissoned - if this is true, then the mission may not be a complete loss if they are recoverable.

276 darthstar  Jun 28, 2015 8:08:02am
277 RealityBasedSteve  Jun 28, 2015 8:08:36am

re: #263 HappyWarrior

My favorite has been Cruz, that esteemed Constitutional scholar demanding elections of Supreme Court judges. Complain about judges being too “political”, make them beholdened to voters, parties, and ideologies, brilliant.// Or that Rhodes Scholar Bobby Jindal who wants to get rid of the USSC all together. What’s really sad is one of the most sane responses to the ruling may have come from Ben Carson. Ben Carson, ya know the guy who has talked about our nation as if we are Nazi Germany 2.0. Wingnuts love to talk about how they understand the Constitution and liberals don’t yet it was the majority led by Kennedy that used the 14th and precedence (Loving) and the minority that was dictated by their personal prejudices against gay marriage and people.

Cruz now says that On Saturday, the 2016 Republican presidential candidate said he “absolutely” believes that his state’s country clerks should deny marriage licenses to same-sex couples if they have a religious objection, in an interview with The Texas Tribune.. I guess that he would also have no problems with a clerk refusing to issue a marriage license to somebody who was divorced, or a business permit to somebody who was opening a bar.

F*ing A-hole

RBS

278 HappyWarrior  Jun 28, 2015 8:15:28am

re: #277 RealityBasedSteve

Cruz now says that On Saturday, the 2016 Republican presidential candidate said he “absolutely” believes that his state’s country clerks should deny marriage licenses to same-sex couples if they have a religious objection, in an interview with The Texas Tribune.. I guess that he would also have no problems with a clerk refusing to issue a marriage license to somebody who was divorced, or a business permit to somebody who was opening a bar.

F*ing A-hole

RBS

Ah yes, this is the fall back position now. What a fucking joke this is. You have every individual and personal right to believe SSM is wrong but SSM is the law of the land now and if your religious beliefs get in the way of you doing your secular duties as county clerk, you’re not doing your job and you should be fired IMO. Just like the bakers and florists that oppose providing for same sex couples though this is even more fucked up since they’re public employees. These “religious objections” just open up a whole can of worms. Ted again shows why he’s unfit for any office with this crap let alone the presidency.

279 Nyet  Jun 28, 2015 8:17:50am

re: #277 RealityBasedSteve

So Cruz supports a Christian Identity adherent refusing marriage licences to interracial/interethnic couples. Everything is clear.

280 Nyet  Jun 28, 2015 8:18:24am

re: #278 HappyWarrior

SSM is the law of the land now

You can say that again.

:)

281 De Kolta Chair  Jun 28, 2015 8:19:30am

Anyone know what a wax smasher is? If I twitted, I’d ask Bill himself, but I don’t twit.

282 darthstar  Jun 28, 2015 8:19:32am
283 Nyet  Jun 28, 2015 8:20:13am

re: #281 De Kolta Chair

Anyone know what a wax smasher is? If I twitted, I’d ask Bill himself, but I don’t twit.

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HULK SMASH WAX

284 HappyWarrior  Jun 28, 2015 8:20:25am

re: #279 Nyet

So Cruz supports a Christian Identity adherent refusing marriage licences to interracial/interethnic couples. Everything is clear.

That is a damn good point. If I were a reporter, I’d ask him about that because you’re right there are plenty of Christian Identity sects that don’t believe in “race mixing and “religious mixing” based on religious beliefs so Ted is suggesting that would be okay? Too bad they won’t ask him about it though but maybe I’ll be pleasantly surprised.

285 allegro  Jun 28, 2015 8:21:55am

Just watched Stephonopoulos interview Huckabee. Huck showed how much he doesn’t understand how our government works and how little he understands and respects our constitution. What an ignorant, hateful man.

286 darthstar  Jun 28, 2015 8:22:31am
287 Dr Lizardo  Jun 28, 2015 8:23:25am

re: #279 Nyet

So Cruz supports a Christian Identity adherent refusing marriage licences to interracial/interethnic couples. Everything is clear.

So Cruz supports a Muslim refusing to grant a marriage license or a business permit to Jews and Christians, eh?*

LOLOLOL. The Stupid, It Burns.

*=if any Muslim really did that, I would be genuinely appalled and such an individual should find themselves in the unemployment line in short order.

288 HappyWarrior  Jun 28, 2015 8:24:00am

re: #285 allegro

Just watched Stephonopoulos interview Huckabee. Huck showed how much he doesn’t understand how our government works and how little he understands and respects our constitution. What an ignorant, hateful man.

Well given his educational background, that should come as no surprise.

289 Nyet  Jun 28, 2015 8:24:39am

re: #286 darthstar

We told you “Don’t cross the streams!”, but did you listen? Nooo…

290 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 28, 2015 8:25:30am

re: #239 The Vicious Babushka

Oh hai lizardia. Welp the power is out here since last night. DTE Energy says the ETA for restoration is Monday night :(

I’m in the car on my phone using the car charger.

MrBWS is on his way!
Really, he headed north earlier this morning.

291 HappyWarrior  Jun 28, 2015 8:25:51am

re: #287 Dr Lizardo

So Cruz supports a Muslim refusing to grant a marriage license or a business permit to Jews and Christians, eh?*

LOLOLOL. The Stupid, It Burns.

*=if any Muslim really did that, I would be genuinely appalled and such an individual should find themselves in the unemployment line in short order.

Deeply held religious beliefs apply only to Christians, you know that. // But yes that’s pretty much what he’s arguing for. I’ve said it here many times. The people like Cruz who want to weaken the separation of church and state do much more for possible Shariah Law than any supporter of separation of church does.

292 sagehen  Jun 28, 2015 8:26:39am

re: #265 HappyWarrior

By the way, I never thought about this much but Kennedy was the justice that Reagan chose after Bork was rejected and Ginsberg(Doug not Ruth) withdrew because of admitted marijuana use. So I say thank you Borking too, Robert Bork did not belong on the Supreme Court.

Let us remind everybody of Bork’s history:

When Watergate special prosecutor Archibald Cox subpoenaed the white house tapes, Nixon didn’t want to hand them over. He ordered Attorney General Elliot Richardson to fire Cox. Richardson said “no sir, I will not.” and resigned in protest.

Deputy Attorney General William Ruckelshaus then became acting AG. Nixon ordered him to fire Cox. Ruckelshaus said “no sir, I will not.” and resigned in protest.

Solicitor General Robert Bork then became acting AG. Nixon ordered him to fire Cox. Bork said “yes sir, as you wish sir, right away sir.” and fired Cox.

This was known as the Saturday Night Massacre; within days, impeachment resolutions were introduced.

In Bork’s memoirs, he said Nixon had promised him the next Supreme vacancy for doing this. Reagan was trying to deliver on Nixon’s promise.

293 Nyet  Jun 28, 2015 8:27:23am

They’re Christian supremacists.

The only reason they’re not doing more things ISIS does is that you have a functioning state apparatus.

294 Nyet  Jun 28, 2015 8:27:48am

If you think Bryan Fischer or Ted Nugent wouldn’t enjoy chopping off a head or two, think again.

295 Dr Lizardo  Jun 28, 2015 8:28:13am

re: #286 darthstar

296 Higgs Boson's Mate  Jun 28, 2015 8:28:32am

re: #284 HappyWarrior

That is a damn good point. If I were a reporter, I’d ask him about that because you’re right there are plenty of Christian Identity sects that don’t believe in “race mixing and “religious mixing” based on religious beliefs so Ted is suggesting that would be okay? Too bad they won’t ask him about it though but maybe I’ll be pleasantly surprised.

Cruz doesn’t seem to realize that asserting that individual religious beliefs trump the law makes him sound a lot like ISIS.

297 HappyWarrior  Jun 28, 2015 8:28:34am

re: #292 sagehen

Let us remind everybody of Bork’s history:

When Watergate special prosecutor Archibald Cox subpoenaed the white house tapes, Nixon didn’t want to hand them over. He ordered Attorney General Elliot Richardson to fire Cox. Richardson said “no sir, I will not.” and resigned in protest.

Deputy Attorney General William Ruckelshaus then became acting AG. Nixon ordered him to fire Cox. Ruckelshaus said “no sir, I will not.” and resigned in protest.

Solicitor General Robert Bork then became acting AG. Nixon ordered him to fire Cox. Bork said “yes sir, as you wish sir, right away sir.” and fired Cox.

This was known as the Saturday Night Massacre; within days, impeachment resolutions were introduced.

In Bork’s memoirs, he said Nixon had promised him the next Supreme vacancy for doing this. Reagan was trying to deliver on Nixon’s promise.

I knew about Bork’s role in that but not about the promised SC vacancy. Sheesh another reason that was the right thing to do(and our own present VP Biden had a role in that).

298 stpaulbear  Jun 28, 2015 8:29:26am

re: #285 allegro

Just watched Stephonopoulos interview Huckabee. Huck showed how much he doesn’t understand how our government works and how little he understands and respects our constitution. What an ignorant, hateful man.

And I can just imagine all of the hard-hitting followup questions that Stephonopoulos asked.

299 De Kolta Chair  Jun 28, 2015 8:30:35am

re: #283 Nyet

HULK SMASH WAX

300 prairiefire  Jun 28, 2015 8:30:52am

It’s going to be a hell of a gay pride parade in San Fran today! Our cousins said they heard many of their friends from LA and elsewhere were coming up to celebrate the ruling. And we are going into the city for the Japantown festival. I told my kids to look for some folks letting their freak flag fly!

301 RadicalModerate  Jun 28, 2015 8:31:01am

re: #277 RealityBasedSteve

Cruz now says that On Saturday, the 2016 Republican presidential candidate said he “absolutely” believes that his state’s country clerks should deny marriage licenses to same-sex couples if they have a religious objection, in an interview with The Texas Tribune.. I guess that he would also have no problems with a clerk refusing to issue a marriage license to somebody who was divorced, or a business permit to somebody who was opening a bar.

F*ing A-hole

RBS

Or mixed-race couples, or people of religious beliefs that the clerk doesn’t agree with (say, for example a Muslim marrying a Jewish person). Cruz wants to render Loving v Virginia null and void.

302 HappyWarrior  Jun 28, 2015 8:33:42am

re: #301 RadicalModerate

Or mixed-race couples, or people of religious beliefs that the clerk doesn’t agree with (say, for example a Muslim marrying a Jewish person). Cruz wants to render Loving v Virginia null and void.

Exactly. Also regarding Loving and I think you already know this but I’ll point it out because I’m not sure everyone does but religion particularly Christianity was used to deny the Lovings marriage.

303 allegro  Jun 28, 2015 8:34:01am

re: #298 stpaulbear

And I can just imagine all of the hard-hitting followup questions that Stephonopoulos asked.

He actually tried to pin him down asking if he was calling for civil disobedience and if he was president would he enforce these laws. Then Huckabee danced around with his bullshit, refusing to directly answer of course.

304 Dr Lizardo  Jun 28, 2015 8:34:19am

re: #300 prairiefire

It’s going to be a hell of a gay pride parade in San Fran today! Our cousins said they heard many of their friends from LA and elsewhere were coming up to celebrate the ruling. And we are going into the city for the Japantown festival. I told my kids to look for some folks letting their freak flag fly!

Sadly, things didn’t turn out so well for the Pride Parade in Istanbul.

Turkish police fired water cannon and rubber pellets to disperse a crowd gathered in central Istanbul Sunday for the city’s annual gay pride parade.

It was not immediately clear why the police stopped the marchers gathering. The parade has been held in Istanbul in previous years, leading some to dub it the largest gay pride event in the Muslim world.

However, this year the timing of the parade coincides with the holy month of Ramadan, something that could cause conservative Muslims to bristle.

Turkey’s Dogan news agency reported that police told crowds to disperse soon after they began assembling, telling them they would not be allowed to march.

The police appeared intent on stopping the crowd gathering near Taksim Square, the cameraman said. Taksim is a traditional rallying ground for demonstrators and saw weeks of unrest in 2013.

While homosexuality is not a crime in Turkey, unlike other Muslim countries, homophobia remains widespread.

dailystar.com.lb

*smdh*

305 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jun 28, 2015 8:34:36am

re: #297 HappyWarrior

I knew about Bork’s role in that but not about the promised SC vacancy. Sheesh another reason that was the right thing to do(and our own present VP Biden had a role in that).

It seemed like everybody was giving Ted Kennedy the lion’s share of the credit just before he died, but I watched the hearings on and off, and it sure looked like Joe Biden was the main actor to me. That’s why he was my man in ‘88, until that ridiculous “plagiarism” bullshit.

306 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jun 28, 2015 8:37:38am

re: #301 RadicalModerate

Or mixed-race couples, or people of religious beliefs that the clerk doesn’t agree with (say, for example a Muslim marrying a Jewish person). Cruz wants to render Loving v Virginia null and void.

I’m sure it wouldn’t have been hard to find a county clerk who would have refused to issue a wedding license to his father and mother, because religion, if that were legal. Did he ever think of that?

307 HappyWarrior  Jun 28, 2015 8:38:40am

re: #305 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

It seemed like everybody was giving Ted Kennedy the lion’s share of the credit just before he died, but I watched the hearings on and off, and it sure looked like Joe Biden was the main actor to me. That’s why he was my man in ‘88, until that ridiculous “plagiarism” bullshit.

I just remember a right winger I knew saying that Biden was a terrible person for first the Bork hearings and later the Thomas hearings. It’s unfortunate that he didn’t prevent Thomas’s confirmation but I am glad we did not live in a world where Bork, Scalia, Rehnquist/Roberts, Thomas, and perhaps Alito were on the court at the same time. But yeah it is a shame about Biden. I think he would have been a great candidate to go up against H.W Bush. I didn’t realize until later that Dukakis actually was beating H.W Bush at the polls at one point and that a poor debate performance changed that. I really think Biden would have been a great candidate for ‘88.

308 Dr Lizardo  Jun 28, 2015 8:38:45am

Regarding the Pride Parade in Istanbul, apparently the Istanbul Governor shut it down, citing Ramadan as the reason.

As crowds gathered to start the 13th Istanbul LGBTI Pride Parade on June 28 from Istanbul’s central Taksim Square to the neighborhood of Tünel, police fired tear gas and water to disperse the crowd.

The Istanbul LGBTI Pride Week Committee, a group that organized the series of events during the 23rd Pride Week, said the 13rd Istanbul LGBTi Pride Parade, which was scheduled to start at 5 p.m. on June 28 at Taksim Square, had “suddenly been banned by the Istanbul Governor’s Office using the month of Ramadan as the reason without any announcement.”

hurriyetdailynews.com

So much for Turkey being a secular country.

309 HappyWarrior  Jun 28, 2015 8:40:25am

re: #306 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

I’m sure it wouldn’t have been hard to find a county clerk who would have refused to issue a wedding license to his father and mother, because religion, if that were legal. Did he ever think of that?

And there you have why I get disgusted with Clarence Thomas. The guy lives the justice that prevailed with Loving v Virginia everytime he wakes up to the woman he loves and is married to yet he has his head up his ass because of his own anti-gay prejudices. What a shame that this mind replaced Thurgood Marshall’s.

310 HappyWarrior  Jun 28, 2015 8:43:53am

Speaking of Supreme Court justice hearings though. It is interesting to note that David Souter got more no votes against his confirmation than Antonin Scalia did. I don’t know what Scalia’s reputation was before Reagan picked him for the USSC but I always found that interesting. Of course, my favorite is Earl Warren for Eisenhower. I still like Ike but it annoys me that he bitched about how Warren turned out to be. That’s one reason why I give Jerry Ford props, he always defended John Paul Stevens when right wingers bitched about him. Hope Judge Stevens is enjoying his retirement too by the way. He was one of my favorite judges during his tenure.

311 PhillyPretzel  Jun 28, 2015 8:44:28am

OT For those who loved The Avengers some sad news, Patrick Macnee is dead. I posted a page on him.
littlegreenfootballs.com

312 De Kolta Chair  Jun 28, 2015 8:48:30am

re: #263 HappyWarrior

What’s really sad is one of the most sane responses to the ruling may have come from Ben Carson. Ben Carson, ya know the guy who has talked about our nation as if we are Nazi Germany 2.0.

From The Hill two days ago:

GOP presidential candidate Ben Carson said he “strongly disagreed” with the Supreme Court’s decision Friday to legalize same-sex marriage nationwide but acknowledged it is “now the law of the land.”

“I call on Congress to make sure deeply held religious views are respected and protected,” Carson said in a statement issued following the court’s historic ruling. “The government must never force Christians to violate their religious beliefs.”

I missed that statement, and it does sound moderate compared to the other GOP candidates, but how many “religious freedom” laws will it take to mollify these people? The answer, my friend, is blowin’ in the hot air…

313 BeenHereAwhile  Jun 28, 2015 8:48:32am

[…]A little after 8 a.m. on Wednesday, on the grounds of the Alabama State Capitol, where in 1861 Jefferson Davis was sworn in as president of the Confederacy and where, more than a century later, George Wallace was snarling about segregation forever, workers quietly took down the battle flag at the Confederate memorial. Before the morning was over, they would take down three other flags of the Confederacy and even uproot the flagpoles.

By the time they had finished their work, Gov. Robert Bentley, who had ordered the removals the previous afternoon, was in a small town in the state’s northern hills to make an announcement. Google was coming to Alabama, building a $600 million data center to be powered completely by renewable energy.

“We have so many premier automobile and aerospace industries in the state, and I want this progress to continue,” the governor said in an interview. “I don’t want anything to be a distraction to my ability to recruit jobs.”

He continued, “A flag is not worth a job.”[…]

mobile.nytimes.com

314 Higgs Boson's Mate  Jun 28, 2015 8:48:43am

re: #301 RadicalModerate

Or mixed-race couples, or people of religious beliefs that the clerk doesn’t agree with (say, for example a Muslim marrying a Jewish person). Cruz wants to render Loving v Virginia null and void.

Cruz should have thought before he spoke. It won’t take the fringe, as well as the grifters and scofflaws, long at all to run with the religious conscience angle as a reason to disobey other laws of which they don’t approve.

315 HappyWarrior  Jun 28, 2015 8:50:49am

re: #312 De Kolta Chair

From The Hill two days ago:

That does sound moderate compared to the other GOP candidates, but how many “religious freedom” laws will it take to mollify these people? The answer, my friend, is blowin’ in the hot air…

Relative as you said. But I did not see the tears about “Christian persecution” either.

316 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jun 28, 2015 8:52:19am

re: #314 Higgs Boson’s Mate

Cruz should have thought before he spoke. It won’t take the fringe, as well as the grifters and scofflaws, long at all to run with the religious conscience angle as a reason to disobey other laws of which they don’t approve.

For the right wing, there is no god but “I don’t wanna, and you can’t make me”, and Reagan is his prophet.

317 De Kolta Chair  Jun 28, 2015 8:57:55am

re: #315 HappyWarrior

Relative as you said. But I did not see the tears about “Christian persecution” either.

I prolly should’ve put quote marks around moderate, especially when writing about Ben Carson.

318 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jun 28, 2015 8:58:29am

The Fartknocker Report: Sarah Palin’s Empire Of Grift Crumbles Into The Eternal Sea:

There is no easy way to say this: Sarah Palin’s grifting business appears to be foundering. The mast has snapped, the waves are coming over the gunwales, and the First Mate slipped, fell on a penis, and got pregnant again. Mutinies have been sparked by less, but mutinies require a mutinous crew, and right now, Sarah Palin stands alone at the bridge, spinning the wheel hard one way, then hard the other, like she saw a man do in a movie once.

319 HappyWarrior  Jun 28, 2015 8:59:10am

re: #318 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

The Fartknocker Report: Sarah Palin’s Empire Of Grift Crumbles Into The Eternal Sea:

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Adieu adieu Sarah.

320 Dr Lizardo  Jun 28, 2015 8:59:12am

So, a heads-up Lizards - things in the Middle East might be heating up:

The Turkish military has been instructed to take measures against possible advances by the Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant (ISIL) along a 90-kilometer stretch of Turkey’s border with Syria, according to a news report on Saturday.

The report, published in the Hürriyet newspaper, said the government has ordered the military to take “every measure” to prevent ISIL seizure of the territory to the west of the town of Marea, where two strategic border crossings between Turkey and Syria — Öncüpınar/Bab al-Salam and Cilvegözü/Bab al-Hawa — are located. The report, quoting unnamed sources, said Ankara now views possible ISIL advances in the area to the west of Marea, a town in the northern Syrian city of Aleppo, as a security threat.

The military, although concerned about potential risks, is now drafting plans that include the dispatch of ground troops to Jarablus, which is on the border with Turkey, and the creation of a 10-kilometer safe zone inside Syria. A further 40-to-50-kilometer area beyond the initial safe zone might also be secured by howitzer fire. At least 12,000 troops might be involved in such an operation, Hürriyet said.

I also found this interesting as well:

Twitter whistleblower Fuat Avni wrote in the early hours of Saturday that President Erdogan is concerned about what the anonymous account alleged to be secret coalition efforts between the ruling Justice and Development Party (AK Party) and the main opposition Republican People’s Party (CHP) and that a Syrian war appears to be the only way to create chaos that will lead to increased support for the AK Party. Fuat Avni also predicted that there will be a series of police operations against al-Qaeda cells in Turkey on Saturday morning to create the impression that Turkey has embarked on a fight against radical elements and ISIL.

Several people were detained in early morning raids in several districts of İstanbul hours after Fuat Avni’s tweets, although the authorities did not announce why the operation, carried out by police anti-terrorism teams, was carried out.

321 HappyWarrior  Jun 28, 2015 8:59:52am

re: #317 De Kolta Chair

I prolly should’ve put quote marks around moderate, especially when writing about Ben Carson.

It really is sad how the candidates responded.

322 Higgs Boson's Mate  Jun 28, 2015 9:04:50am

re: #319 HappyWarrior

Adieu adieu Sarah.

Don’t think it hasn’t been fun…

323 allegro  Jun 28, 2015 9:07:22am

So on the Stephenopoulos roundtable segment Ken Blackwell was expounding on the overstepping SCOTUS decision on SSM and that those 5 lawyers didn’t have the right to override the will of the people blah blah. I’m not believing a black man could sit there and say those things. Then the camera cuts to Donna Brazille and Cokie Roberts who had expressions on their faces looking like Blackwell was cutting a loud, long, and very stinky fart. It was hilarious.

324 Dr Lizardo  Jun 28, 2015 9:07:32am

I’mma just drop this here, ‘cause it made me chuckle.

tickld.com

325 HappyWarrior  Jun 28, 2015 9:08:23am

re: #322 Higgs Boson’s Mate

Don’t think it hasn’t been fun…

It’s been fun sure but I won’t miss her hatefulness.

326 HappyWarrior  Jun 28, 2015 9:09:57am

re: #323 allegro

So on the Stephenopoulos roundtable segment Ken Blackwell was expounding on the overstepping SCOTUS decision on SSM and that those 5 lawyers didn’t have the right to override the will of the people blah blah. I’m not believing a black man could sit there and say those things. Then the camera cuts to Donna Brazille and Cokie Roberts who had expressions on their faces looking like Blackwell was cutting a loud, long, and very stinky fart. It was hilarious.

He really needs to learn how the Civil Rights movement succeeded- hint it was the courts often. What a crock.

327 allegro  Jun 28, 2015 9:13:08am

re: #326 HappyWarrior

He really needs to learn how the Civil Rights movement succeeded- hint it was the courts often. What a crock.

Cokie had already made that point, that if SCOTUS had not ruled in the past to make unconstitutional laws passed by majority vote, that civil rights would not be where they are today. SCOTUS was doing its job as mandated.

328 Higgs Boson's Mate  Jun 28, 2015 9:13:44am

re: #325 HappyWarrior

It’s been fun sure but I won’t miss her hatefulness.

Palin was a symptom, a bubo if you will, of the pathology that afflicts 27% of our fellow Americans.

329 HappyWarrior  Jun 28, 2015 9:14:16am

re: #327 allegro

Cokie had already made that point, that if SCOTUS had not ruled in the past to make unconstitutional laws passed by majority vote, that civil rights would not be where they are today. SCOTUS was doing its job as mandated.

Good on her. Did Blackwell have any response at all to that?

330 HappyWarrior  Jun 28, 2015 9:14:30am

re: #328 Higgs Boson’s Mate

Palin was a symptom, a bubo if you will, of the pathology that afflicts 27% of our fellow Americans.

Yep.

331 allegro  Jun 28, 2015 9:15:29am

re: #329 HappyWarrior

Good on her. Did Blackwell have any response at all to that?

Naw, he, like Huckabee, is immune to logic and reality that contradicts his fantasies.

332 RealityBasedSteve  Jun 28, 2015 9:16:02am

re: #290 Backwoods_Sleuth

MrBWS is on his way!
Really, he headed north earlier this morning.

Somebody should track him down and reward him with Pie. /just_saying

RBS

333 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 28, 2015 9:19:13am

re: #332 RealityBasedSteve

Somebody should track him down and reward him with Pie. /just_saying

RBS

:D

334 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Jun 28, 2015 9:19:40am

re: #277 RealityBasedSteve

Cruz now says that On Saturday, the 2016 Republican presidential candidate said he “absolutely” believes that his state’s country clerks should deny marriage licenses to same-sex couples if they have a religious objection, in an interview with The Texas Tribune.. I guess that he would also have no problems with a clerk refusing to issue a marriage license to somebody who was divorced, or a business permit to somebody who was opening a bar.

F*ing A-hole

RBS

And if that clerk is married, has never been divorced or cheated on his/her spouse…

335 Lidane  Jun 28, 2015 9:22:10am

Different versions of this meme have been making the rounds on my Twitter feed today. My geeky heart loves them:

Heh.

336 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Jun 28, 2015 9:22:46am

re: #301 RadicalModerate

Or mixed-race couples, or people of religious beliefs that the clerk doesn’t agree with (say, for example a Muslim marrying a Jewish person). Cruz wants to render Loving v Virginia every SCOTUS decision he disagrees with null and void.

FTFY

337 Dr Lizardo  Jun 28, 2015 9:35:21am

I’d like to be the first Lizard to congratulate Quasi Modo on winning the World’s Ugliest Dog competition.

telegraph.co.uk

Quasi Modo is aptly named.

338 allegro  Jun 28, 2015 9:38:13am

re: #337 Dr Lizardo

I’d like to be the first Lizard to congratulate Quasi Modo on winning the World’s Ugliest Dog competition.

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telegraph.co.uk

Quasi Modo is aptly named.

Oh dear. Something did go terribly wrong there.

339 wrenchwench  Jun 28, 2015 9:44:04am
340 JadeHelmCurious  Jun 28, 2015 9:45:59am

The mentally laughable ‘gay rights = loss of religious liberty’ can only mean one thing:

Your religious belief if that oppression of homosexuals is right and just. If you support laws oppressive to homosexuals, you believe in theocracy.

I can’t mean anything else.

341 HappyWarrior  Jun 28, 2015 9:46:03am

re: #339 wrenchwench

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Yes, it is, it’s awesome.

342 allegro  Jun 28, 2015 9:46:18am

My laziness today is winning. I’ve got a full hamper and empty clothes drawers; a “house” and truck in serious need of a pressure wash; taters needing peeling to make William’s potato leek soup and chicken that needs cooking for chicken salad.

Then there’s the blender and fixins for frozen margaritas and Netflix. Conflict ensues.

343 allegro  Jun 28, 2015 9:46:59am

re: #339 wrenchwench

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Bree Awesome.

344 HappyWarrior  Jun 28, 2015 9:47:02am

re: #340 JadeHelmCurious

The mentally laughable ‘gay rights = loss of religious liberty’ can only mean one thing:

Your religious belief if that oppression of homosexuals is right and just. If you support laws oppressive to homosexuals, you believe in theocracy.

I can’t mean anything else.

Exactly and honestly if your religious liberties involve denying other people equality, your religion frankly sucks. That may sound harsh but if same sex marriage bothers you more than hunger, poverty, etc than just stop.

345 RealityBasedSteve  Jun 28, 2015 9:47:05am

This is an appropriate use….

Giving the “Heritage” it’s due respect
346 wrenchwench  Jun 28, 2015 9:48:14am
347 ObserverArt  Jun 28, 2015 9:49:49am

re: #323 allegro

So on the Stephenopoulos roundtable segment Ken Blackwell was expounding on the overstepping SCOTUS decision on SSM and that those 5 lawyers didn’t have the right to override the will of the people blah blah. I’m not believing a black man could sit there and say those things. Then the camera cuts to Donna Brazille and Cokie Roberts who had expressions on their faces looking like Blackwell was cutting a loud, long, and very stinky fart. It was hilarious.

Good day LGFers!

Ken Blackwell still spewing crap is he? He was part of the Ohio GOP Rat Pack that ran for just about every office and sometimes won here in Ohio all during the late 90s and into the 20s. He finally got trounced trying to run for Governor against Ted Strickland and thankfully has been less seen.

Last I heard he was accused by several of Ohio’s fundie preachers for receiving special treatment form a couple mega-churches, one of them just to the southeast of Columbus, the World Harvest church run by super slick and slimy Pastor Rod Rod Parsley. Parsley himself has run into many issues the biggest with the IRS for illegal funding of one Ken Blackwell.

After that Blackwell tried to get the GOP National Chairman job, but I think he quit early because he was starting to smell like 3-Day old fish left out in 90° heat.

It is sad anyone would allow that idiot to put on his devout Christian fake-ass show on TV. I think the 3-day old fish serve the Lord better than that ass.

Heck, I don’t even know if he still lives in this state. I was kinda hoping to never hear about him again. But LGF always find the dirt that gathers in the corners. Which really is a good thing!

348 allegro  Jun 28, 2015 9:53:29am

re: #347 ObserverArt

Good day LGFers!

Ken Blackwell still spewing crap is he? He was part of the Ohio GOP Rat Pack that ran for just about every office and sometimes won here in Ohio all during the late 90s and into the 20s. He finally got trounced trying to run for Governor against Ted Strickland and thankfully has been less seen.

Last I heard he was accused by several of Ohio’s fundie preachers for receiving special treatment form a couple mega-churches, one of them just to the southeast of Columbus, the World Harvest church run by super slick and slimy Pastor Rod Rod Parsley. Parsley himself has run into many issues the biggest with the IRS for illegal funding of one Ken Blackwell.

After that Blackwell tried to get the GOP National Chairman job, but I think he quit early because he was starting to smell like 3-Day old fish left out in 90° heat.

It is sad anyone would allow that idiot to put on his devout Christian fake-ass show on TV. I think the 3-day old fish serve the Lord better than that ass.

Heck, I don’t even know if he still lives in this state. I was kinda hoping to never hear about him again. But LGF always find the dirt that gathers in the corners. Which really is a good thing!

He found a wingnut welfare job with the FRC.

349 Higgs Boson's Mate  Jun 28, 2015 9:53:43am

re: #347 ObserverArt

IIRC, Blackwell spent much of his time as Ohio State Secretary devising ways to prevent people of color from voting.

350 HappyWarrior  Jun 28, 2015 9:55:23am

re: #349 Higgs Boson’s Mate

IIRC, Blackwell spent much of his time as Ohio State Secretary devising ways to prevent people of color from voting.

That sounds right. I remember there being rumors of some shenanigans in 2004 in Ohio during the presidential election.

351 HappyWarrior  Jun 28, 2015 9:55:43am

re: #348 allegro

He found a wingnut welfare job with the FRC.

Wingnut welfare pays handsomely I imagine.

352 allegro  Jun 28, 2015 9:56:26am

re: #351 HappyWarrior

Wingnut welfare pays handsomely I imagine.

30 pieces of silver.

353 HappyWarrior  Jun 28, 2015 9:57:49am

re: #352 allegro

30 pieces of silver.

did they held up and rob any hard liquor stores?

354 allegro  Jun 28, 2015 9:59:08am

re: #353 HappyWarrior

did they held up and rob any hard liquor stores?

They made whine from water.

355 ObserverArt  Jun 28, 2015 9:59:25am

re: #349 Higgs Boson’s Mate

IIRC, Blackwell spent much of his time as Ohio State Secretary devising ways to prevent people of color from voting.

Yes. I think he hated being Black. God must have mistreated him somehow.

356 wrenchwench  Jun 28, 2015 10:00:00am

re: #320 Dr Lizardo

So, a heads-up Lizards - things in the Middle East might be heating up:

I also found this interesting as well:

I saw this yesterday:

357 Dr Lizardo  Jun 28, 2015 10:00:29am

Greek banks will not open as scheduled tomorrow.

358 JadeHelmCurious  Jun 28, 2015 10:01:34am

Most black folk that adopt the conservative orthodoxy get way more attention than if they spoke rationally against their own denigration.

A lot of attention whoring going on.

359 Dr Lizardo  Jun 28, 2015 10:01:41am

re: #356 wrenchwench

I saw this yesterday:

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The Turks are furiously denying it; evidence be damned.

360 wrenchwench  Jun 28, 2015 10:04:19am
361 JadeHelmCurious  Jun 28, 2015 10:05:00am
362 Dr Lizardo  Jun 28, 2015 10:06:21am
Greece ordered its banks shut Monday to avert a financial collapse after the European Central Bank froze emergency loans to the nation’s lenders.

Piraeus Bank SA Chief Executive Officer Anthimos Thomopoulos spoke to reporters after meeting the government’s financial-stability panel in Athens on Sunday.

theguardian.com

But what about the ATM’s?

I’mma thinking there’s gonna be run on the ATM’s tomorrow. Who knows? It might even start tonight. And what sucks? Pensions and salaries are supposed to go out tomorrow.

363 HappyWarrior  Jun 28, 2015 10:06:42am

re: #361 JadeHelmCurious

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Oh go fuck yourself Ben. You want to cry about wastes of tax payer money for propaganda? Go talk to John Boehner who has pushed over a hundred repeals of ACA that he knows the President will not sign and that until this year the Senate would not pass. Really grow the hell up.

364 HappyWarrior  Jun 28, 2015 10:07:50am

LIGHTS ZOMG MY TAX MONEYS but you go ahead GOP Congress and keep on pushing futile Obamacare repeals. Goddamn Ben, I know CCJ left Twitter but do you have to replace 100% of his idiocy without the drunkeness and a lot of the same hateful crap?

365 Dr Lizardo  Jun 28, 2015 10:08:21am

re: #362 Dr Lizardo

ETA: But what about the ATM’s?

I’mma thinking there’s gonna be run on the ATM’s tomorrow. Who knows? It might even start tonight. And what sucks? Pensions and salaries are supposed to go out tomorrow.

366 Timothy Watson  Jun 28, 2015 10:09:01am

re: #361 JadeHelmCurious

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But the government using $300 million a year of tax player dollars to promote evangelical “pro-marriage” bullshit is a-okay.

367 BeachDem  Jun 28, 2015 10:10:11am

re: #347 ObserverArt

Good day LGFers!

Ken Blackwell still spewing crap is he? He was part of the Ohio GOP Rat Pack that ran for just about every office and sometimes won here in Ohio all during the late 90s and into the 20s. He finally got trounced trying to run for Governor against Ted Strickland and thankfully has been less seen.

Don’t even get me started on Ken Blackwell. He might be less seen, but he is behind the scenes on many nefarious projects, such as “True the Vote.” That lovely voter suppression group relies on Kenny for many of their training seminars, and he spews his usual crap.

He is a dangerous man, and anything he touches is bound to be underhanded.

(BTW—did you see I left you one last response about the Wolfes on the previous thread?)

368 HappyWarrior  Jun 28, 2015 10:10:17am

re: #366 Timothy Watson

But the government using $300 million a year of tax player dollars to promote evangelical “pro-marriage” bullshit is a-okay.

That’s different.// think of the lights.

369 Romantic Heretic  Jun 28, 2015 10:10:58am

re: #318 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

I wonder how much of the money she stole is left and how long it will support her meth habit?

370 allegro  Jun 28, 2015 10:11:11am

re: #366 Timothy Watson

But the government using $300 million a year of tax player dollars to promote evangelical “pro-marriage” bullshit is a-okay.

And how many milions (billions?) for their tax exempt private, discriminitory clubs?

371 JadeHelmCurious  Jun 28, 2015 10:11:54am

re: #363 HappyWarrior

Really grow the hell up.

He will never grow the hell up. He’s monetized douchery, a professional troll. An ideological prostitute.

372 electrotek  Jun 28, 2015 10:12:34am
373 HappyWarrior  Jun 28, 2015 10:13:06am

re: #371 JadeHelmCurious

He will never grow the hell up. He’s monetized douchery, a professional troll. An ideological prostitute.

You’re right. Gosh imagine him at Buchanan’s age. That’s another lifetime of bitterness for Ben.

374 Timothy Watson  Jun 28, 2015 10:13:32am

re: #371 JadeHelmCurious

He will never grow the hell up. He’s monetized douchery, a professional troll. An ideological prostitute.

Yeah, he sounds like a petulant 20-year-old college student, not a 31-year-old.

375 Dr Lizardo  Jun 28, 2015 10:13:46am

The news out of Greece gets worse.

376 Romantic Heretic  Jun 28, 2015 10:15:01am

re: #340 JadeHelmCurious

The mentally laughable ‘gay rights = loss of religious liberty’ can only mean one thing:

Your religious belief if that oppression of homosexuals is right and just. If you support laws oppressive to homosexuals, you believe in theocracy.

I can’t mean anything else.

As I’ve noted before when the theocrats talk about ‘religious freedom’ they are really talking about ‘religious power’. In fact these days I’m finding my brain automatically replaces ‘freedom’ with ‘power’ these days because I can’t remember the last time any RWNJ political mention of freedom or liberty wasn’t about power.

377 HappyWarrior  Jun 28, 2015 10:15:32am

re: #374 Timothy Watson

Yeah, he sounds like a petulant 20-year-old college student, not a 31-year-old.

I think that’s how he got his start in the Bush years. Not sure but he’s one childish ass.

378 Dr Lizardo  Jun 28, 2015 10:16:08am

re: #376 Romantic Heretic

As I’ve noted before when the theocrats talk about ‘religious freedom’ they are really talking about ‘religious power’. In fact these days I’m finding my brain automatically replaces ‘freedom’ with ‘power’ these days because I can’t remember the last time any RWNJ political mention of freedom or liberty wasn’t about power.

They see their power slipping away, and they’re scared shitless.

379 Higgs Boson's Mate  Jun 28, 2015 10:16:29am

re: #362 Dr Lizardo

theguardian.com

But what about the ATM’s?

I’mma thinking there’s gonna be run on the ATM’s tomorrow. Who knows? It might even start tonight. And what sucks? Pensions and salaries are supposed to go out tomorrow.

According to Deutsche Welle, the ECB agreed today to maintain emergency credit to Greek banks. At the same time, the ECB also said that it will not raise the limit on that emergency credit.

Hopefully, that news will tamp down any run on Greek banks.

380 JadeHelmCurious  Jun 28, 2015 10:17:40am

re: #374 Timothy Watson

Yeah, he sounds like a petulant 20-year-old college student, not a 31-year-old.

I’d say more like a 12 year old. He, along the likes of Ted Cruz, went to an esteemed college not to learn anything. They went to get validation of their IQ and to hone their salesmanship. They quit really learning before they set foot in college.

They just wanted the paper and the cred so they can show that they’re smart.

381 HappyWarrior  Jun 28, 2015 10:19:29am

re: #380 JadeHelmCurious

I’d say more like a 12 year old. He, along the likes of Ted Cruz, went to an esteemed college not to learn anything. They went to get validation of their IQ and to hone their salesmanship. They quit really learning before they set foot in college.

They just wanted the paper and the cred so they can show that they’re smart.

Jindal works for that too. I have so many moments where I’m astounded he got a Rhodes Scholarship.

382 JadeHelmCurious  Jun 28, 2015 10:21:20am

Yep, Jindal too.

They went to college to learn how to speak better, not to learn more.

383 Dr Lizardo  Jun 28, 2015 10:21:54am

re: #379 Higgs Boson’s Mate

According to Deutsche Welle, the ECB agreed today to maintain emergency credit to Greek banks. At the same time, the ECB also said that it will not raise the limit on that emergency credit.

Hopefully, that news will tamp down any run on Greek banks.

Yeah, but now they’re reporting that the banks are going to be closed until July 6th. That’s got the potential to start a panic. People will be hitting those ATM’s until they run out of moola - and pensions are due as well as state salaries.

384 HappyWarrior  Jun 28, 2015 10:22:42am

Despite his reputation as an “intellectual”, I never found Newt that smart either.

385 JadeHelmCurious  Jun 28, 2015 10:22:50am

Hell yeah.

386 Dr Lizardo  Jun 28, 2015 10:24:16am

re: #385 JadeHelmCurious

ZOMG! TEH WHOLE ‘MURICA’S CAUGHT TEH GHEY!

387 HappyWarrior  Jun 28, 2015 10:24:30am

re: #385 JadeHelmCurious

Hell yeah.

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Nigara falls is the coolest.

388 JadeHelmCurious  Jun 28, 2015 10:26:27am

If I still lived in the Bay Area I’d probably roll out to the Castro today.

389 wrenchwench  Jun 28, 2015 10:27:15am

re: #381 HappyWarrior

Jindal works for that too. I have so many moments where I’m astounded he got a Rhodes Scholarship.

I saw a tweet yesterday asking whether they ever do clawbacks on Rhodes Scholarships.

390 JadeHelmCurious  Jun 28, 2015 10:27:46am

Ted Cruz: Sex Questions

391 Dr Lizardo  Jun 28, 2015 10:28:28am

re: #389 wrenchwench

I saw a tweet yesterday asking whether they ever do clawbacks on Rhodes Scholarships.

LOLOL. I could just see that. “Sorry about Jindal. Yeah……we fucked up.”

392 Higgs Boson's Mate  Jun 28, 2015 10:28:36am

re: #383 Dr Lizardo

Ouch. Well, here’s another fine mess. Is the Greek treasury printing drachmas yet?

393 wrenchwench  Jun 28, 2015 10:29:13am

re: #383 Dr Lizardo

Yeah, but now they’re reporting that the banks are going to be closed until June 6th. That’s got the potential to start a panic. People will be hitting those ATM’s until they run out of moola - and pensions are due as well as state salaries.

I heard on WAMU this morning an interview with a guy in Athens who was on his 7th or 8th ATM looking for cash.

394 ObserverArt  Jun 28, 2015 10:29:32am

re: #367 BeachDem

Don’t even get me started on Ken Blackwell. He might be less seen, but he is behind the scenes on many nefarious projects, such as “True the Vote.” That lovely voter suppression group relies on Kenny for many of their training seminars, and he spews his usual crap.

He is a dangerous man, and anything he touches is bound to be underhanded.

(BTW—did you see I left you one last response about the Wolfes on the previous thread?)

I had shut down the computer for the night after that last post of mine. Thanks for pointing me back to it. Very interesting.

I don’t remember Lou Berliner…but I imagine the big park along the river between I-71 and S. High was named after him. Very well known park with all the huge, especially women’s, softball tournaments.

And yes, I remember Pete Franklin. Are you saying Pete Franklin was never Pete Franklin and it was Diana writing under a male name and photo, or, ah, something else? You got me both confused and interested.

Sounds like you traveled in a Columbus circle just a ring or two outside some of the folks I knew.

I have a couple names for you? Did you happen to know Russel Mock, husband of Gerry Mock, the first woman to circumnavigate the globe in an airplane successfully? And also a printer representative by the name of Tom Tobias?

395 Higgs Boson's Mate  Jun 28, 2015 10:30:04am

re: #390 JadeHelmCurious

Not getting out of the boat for that though I gave you an upding. There are some things I cannot know.

396 HappyWarrior  Jun 28, 2015 10:30:24am

re: #390 JadeHelmCurious

Ted Cruz: Sex Questions

Yes Ted “sex questions”, and own it, you’re opposed to gay rights, want to outlaw SSM, and want to make Supreme Court justices up for election because you don’t like the decision. No one is trapping you and your bigoted party.

397 Dr Lizardo  Jun 28, 2015 10:30:48am

re: #392 Higgs Boson’s Mate

Ouch. Well, here’s another fine mess. Is the Greek treasury printing drachmas yet?

There’s a referendum next Sunday. I suppose the answer to your question will hinge on the outcome.

I can’t entirely disagree; this is indeed the beginning of tourist season, and of course, Greece relies heavily on tourism. Talk about bad timing. Ouch.

398 wrenchwench  Jun 28, 2015 10:30:49am

re: #382 JadeHelmCurious

Yep, Jindal too.

They went to college to learn how to speak better, not to learn more.

In certain remedial cases, you can’t have one without the other.

399 JadeHelmCurious  Jun 28, 2015 10:31:55am

re: #395 Higgs Boson’s Mate

Not getting out of the boat for that though I gave you an upding. There are some things I cannot know.

Oh, you’ll see soon enough. You cannot escape the Cruzian-isms. They will find you.

400 Dr Lizardo  Jun 28, 2015 10:32:02am

re: #393 wrenchwench

I heard on WAMU this morning an interview with a guy in Athens who was on his 7th or 8th ATM looking for cash.

I don’t know if they’ll restock the ATM’s. That’s a good question. I’ve never been in a place where they’ve suddenly been faced with a catastrophic economic meltdown, so I can’t speak from experience.

401 unproven innocence  Jun 28, 2015 10:32:24am

re: #383 Dr Lizardo

Until June 6 …is a very long time. I assume you meant July 6.

402 Dr Lizardo  Jun 28, 2015 10:33:06am

re: #401 unproven innocence

Until June 6 …is a very long time. I assume you meant July 6.

Yeah…oops. :D

403 Higgs Boson's Mate  Jun 28, 2015 10:33:34am

re: #399 JadeHelmCurious

Oh, you’ll see soon enough. You cannot escape the Cruzian-isms. They will find you.

Aw, geez. I’m already old and stove-in, isn’t that punishment enough?

404 Eclectic Cyborg  Jun 28, 2015 10:34:18am

Can someone give me a Coles notes version of why Greece has gotten so badly fucked up compared to rest of Europe? I’m sure I could Google but I’m just looking for a brief explanation.

405 Dr Lizardo  Jun 28, 2015 10:35:08am
FT: Capital controls could last several days

According to the FT, Greece is planning to impose limits on bank transfers, cash machine withdrawals, cheque cashing, and early access to money stores in fixed-term deposits.

A wide range of capital controls, in other words.

The FT says:

Officials said the bank closure would last for several days and would be accompanied by limits yet to be announced on bank transfers abroad and withdrawals from cash machines.

The cashing of cheques would be halted and fixed term deposits would be locked down. The Athens stock exchange was also set to be closed.

The day’s events followed the surprise move by the Greek government to call a referendum on new bailout terms offered by the country’s international creditors, triggering a rupture with Athens’ eurozone partners and pushing the country closer to exiting the single currency.

406 ObserverArt  Jun 28, 2015 10:36:05am

You know, I was just a little bit hesitant to send an email to Cruz yesterday through his contact page I found through Google. It was pretty blistering…but completely free of any bad words, threats and real anger.

After hearing more about his big flapping jaws here at LGF today I am no longer feeling I did anything wrong.

Sometimes you just have to vent. I just hope more and more are doing the same. That dude is dangerous. I used to laugh at him, now I worry about him and feel he needs to be shut down and shown the door.

407 Dark_Falcon  Jun 28, 2015 10:38:43am

re: #404 Eclectic Cyborg

Can someone give me a Coles notes version of why Greece has gotten so badly fucked up compared to rest of Europe? I’m sure I could Google but I’m just looking for a brief explanation.

Long story short: Greece was allowed to borrow lots of money, more than should have been allowed, and it did not spend that money wisely. The borrowing fostered major lifestyle upgrades for many Greeks without the real economic power to sustain those lifestyles.

Added on to this is that Greece has a major tax evasion problem, which has defied all efforts at solution.

408 Eclectic Cyborg  Jun 28, 2015 10:38:47am

re: #406 ObserverArt

Care to share a copy?

409 Dark_Falcon  Jun 28, 2015 10:39:46am

re: #405 Dr Lizardo

Link, please.

410 Jenner7  Jun 28, 2015 10:39:56am
411 Dr Lizardo  Jun 28, 2015 10:41:32am

re: #406 ObserverArt

You know, I was just a little bit hesitant to send an email to Cruz yesterday through his contact page I found through Google. It was pretty blistering…but completely free of any bad words, threats and real anger.

After hearing more about his big flapping jaws here at LGF today I am no longer feeling I did anything wrong.

Sometimes you just have to vent. I just hope more and more are doing the same. That dude is dangerous. I used to laugh at him, now I worry about him and feel he needs to be shut down and shown the door.

“”When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross.”

It’s attributed to Sinclair Lewis, but it’s not known if he actually said that. In any event, Ted Cruz sure as hell reminds me of characters like “Lonesome” Rhodes from A Face In The Crowd.

BTW, if you’ve never seen that film, check it out - you’ll never see Andy Griffith the same way again. :D

412 HappyWarrior  Jun 28, 2015 10:41:47am

re: #410 Jenner7

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The Irish lads at the Sunken Road disagree. But go ahead CSA apologists tell us why liberals hate America and you love it.

413 Dr Lizardo  Jun 28, 2015 10:42:57am

re: #409 Dark_Falcon

Link, please.

theguardian.com

414 wrenchwench  Jun 28, 2015 10:43:01am

re: #407 Dark_Falcon

Long story short: Greece was allowed to borrow lots of money, more than should have been allowed, and it did not spend that money wisely. The borrowing fostered major lifestyle upgrades for many Greeks without the real economic power to sustain those lifestyles.

Added on to this is that Greece has a major tax evasion problem, which has defied all efforts at solution.

The one word description for your first paragraph: Corruption.

Then follows this explanation for your second paragraph: Greek taxpayers, “I’m not paying for that!”

415 JadeHelmCurious  Jun 28, 2015 10:43:44am
416 HappyWarrior  Jun 28, 2015 10:44:57am

re: #415 JadeHelmCurious

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Snap, but she needs to realize the party she’s hopelessly devoted to is a big part of the problem.

417 Dr Lizardo  Jun 28, 2015 10:45:03am

re: #415 JadeHelmCurious

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They’re tweeting from church.

418 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 28, 2015 10:46:01am

re: #417 Dr Lizardo

They’re tweeting from church.

FEMA camp churches…

419 HappyWarrior  Jun 28, 2015 10:46:15am

re: #417 Dr Lizardo

They’re tweeting from church.

And in some cases from the pulpit. Rude I’d say.

420 dholmes32  Jun 28, 2015 10:47:30am

re: #297 HappyWarrior

I knew about Bork’s role in that but not about the promised SC vacancy. Sheesh another reason that was the right thing to do(and our own present VP Biden had a role in that).

I was in law school when Bork was nominated. My mother, not a lawyer, “just” a housewife, watched the hearings. She called me up one day and said to me, “That man is scary” and proceeded to list off why. I didn’t think she was watching that closely, but she was.

421 HappyWarrior  Jun 28, 2015 10:49:45am

re: #420 dholmes32

I was in law school when Bork was nominated. My mother, not a lawyer, “just” a housewife, watched the hearings. She called me up one day and said to me, “That man is scary” and proceeded to list off why. I didn’t think she was watching that closely, but she was.

Dodged a huge bullet with him.

422 Dark_Falcon  Jun 28, 2015 10:50:07am

re: #414 wrenchwench

The one word description for your first paragraph: Corruption.

Then follows this explanation for your second paragraph: Greek taxpayers, “I’m not paying for that!”

As far as it was corruption, it was corruption that Greeks took the payoffs from it as eagerly as Chicago police officers during Prohibition, and now they bare faced with the consequences of their own misdeeds.

BBL

423 wrenchwench  Jun 28, 2015 10:54:20am

I have had two ‘sidewalk counselors’ encouraging me to get treated for my TBI in a hyperbaric oxygen chamber. They aren’t covered by insurance because there have been no successful clinical trials, I think. Why are prior users pushing them? Not financial reasons, in the two cases I’ve been accosted with. Are they looking for confirmation of their decisions?

424 Teukka  Jun 28, 2015 10:55:30am

re: #422 Dark_Falcon

As far as it was corruption, it was corruption that Greeks took the payoffs from it as eagerly as Chicago police officers during Prohibition, and now they bare faced with the consequences of their own misdeeds.

BBL

Ye olde lesson again (dunno if it ever will cease to be taught):

With corruption, <u>everyone</u> pays.

425 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing  Jun 28, 2015 10:55:35am

Afternoon Lizards. In other Pride Weekend news:

Chicago, Illinois (June 26, 2015) - WGN Radio, official radio partner of the Chicago Blackhawks, confirmed it will host the NHL champions and the Stanley Cup on its float in the 46th Annual Chicago Pride Parade this Sunday, June 28.

WGN Radio will host Blackhawks representatives, Ice Crew and the Stanley Cup in the parade. WGN Radio’s float is tentatively number 17 in the lineup.

“We are so proud of our strong relationship with the Chicago Blackhawks, their achievements and are honored to help present the Stanley Cup to Chicago at the Pride Parade,” said Jackie Paulus, WGN Director of Marketing & Digital Innovation.

WGN Radio and Chicago Blackhawks to feature Stanley Cup in Pride Parade - Chicago Blackhawks - News

426 dholmes32  Jun 28, 2015 10:55:48am

re: #371 JadeHelmCurious

He will never grow the hell up. He’s monetized douchery, a professional troll. An ideological prostitute.

I remember when he was called the Virgin Ben. (Yes, I’m dating myself.)

427 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing  Jun 28, 2015 10:56:35am

re: #426 dholmes32

I remember when he was called the Virgin Ben. (Yes, I’m dating myself.)

Well, technically, we don’t KNOW he’s not still Virgin Ben. ;)

428 HappyWarrior  Jun 28, 2015 10:57:30am

re: #425 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing

Afternoon Lizards. In other Pride Weekend news:

WGN Radio and Chicago Blackhawks to feature Stanley Cup in Pride Parade - Chicago Blackhawks - News

Props. Not a hockey fan but that is cool of them.

429 wrenchwench  Jun 28, 2015 10:58:11am

re: #422 Dark_Falcon

As far as it was corruption, it was corruption that Greeks took the payoffs from it as eagerly as Chicago police officers during Prohibition, and now they bare faced with the consequences of their own misdeeds.

BBL

Those who paid off the Chicago cops were crooks. Were those who handed over money to the Greeks culpable in some way?

430 ObserverArt  Jun 28, 2015 10:58:18am

re: #408 Eclectic Cyborg

Care to share a copy?

I don’t have a copy because like many politicians they use a web form that you fill in. I sometimes keep a word file, but in this case I did not. It was all off the cuff. Sorry.

431 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing  Jun 28, 2015 11:01:21am

re: #428 HappyWarrior

Props. Not a hockey fan but that is cool of them.

They actually did the same thing the last time they won the Cup a couple of years ago. It was a shock at the time, but a good one. This one is just perfect timing :)

432 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing  Jun 28, 2015 11:02:42am

re: #422 Dark_Falcon

As far as it was corruption, it was corruption that Greeks took the payoffs from it as eagerly as Chicago police officers during Prohibition, and now they bare faced with the consequences of their own misdeeds.

BBL

Your knowledge of economics is astounding ////

433 HappyWarrior  Jun 28, 2015 11:03:46am

re: #431 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing

They actually did the same thing the last time they won the Cup a couple of years ago. It was a shock at the time, but a good one. This one is just perfect timing :)

Cool. Reading about the owner. Seems like a good dude.

434 JadeHelmCurious  Jun 28, 2015 11:04:30am

re: #418 Backwoods_Sleuth

FEMA camp churches…

FEMA camp churches with HomoSkittle colors.

435 Dr Lizardo  Jun 28, 2015 11:12:04am

Regarding Greece, Citi analysts put this out there:

which is kinda what I think. The Greeks have said in multiple opinion polls that they want to remain in the Eurozone.

I guess we’ll see next Sunday.

436 BeachDem  Jun 28, 2015 11:14:46am

re: #394 ObserverArt

I had shut down the computer for the night after that last post of mine. Thanks for pointing me back to it. Very interesting.

I don’t remember Lou Berliner…but I imagine the big park along the river between I-71 and S. High was named after him. Very well known park with all the huge, especially women’s, softball tournaments.

And yes, I remember Pete Franklin. Are you saying Pete Franklin was never Pete Franklin and it was Diana writing under a male name and photo, or, ah, something else? You got me both confused and interested.

Sounds like you traveled in a Columbus circle just a ring or two outside some of the folks I knew.

I have a couple names for you? Did you happen to know Russel Mock, husband of Gerry Mock, the first woman to circumnavigate the globe in an airplane successfully? And also a printer representative by the name of Tom Tobias?

Yes, Berliner Park is named after him—he mostly covered local/amateur sports. Great guy.

Pete was Pete—is now Diana.

Tom Tobias sounds familiar—can’t put the name with which printer though. Knew Russ Mock—

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437 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing  Jun 28, 2015 11:17:44am

The end is near sheeple:
McDonald's is Going to Be Offering Lobster Rolls Because God is Dead

438 De Kolta Chair  Jun 28, 2015 11:18:10am

New York, New York, a helluva town!
The Bronx is up, and there’s gays all around,
The people all smile, ‘cept this guy with a frown,
New York, New York, it’s a helluva town!

439 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing  Jun 28, 2015 11:19:00am

re: #433 HappyWarrior

Cool. Reading about the owner. Seems like a good dude.

He’s much better than his dad. It’s a crapshoot with owners.

440 PhillyPretzel  Jun 28, 2015 11:19:19am

re: #437 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing

It would have been nice to read the article with out a @$&^ pop-up. Grrr

441 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Jun 28, 2015 11:22:08am

re: #407 Dark_Falcon

Long story short: Greece was allowed to borrow lots of money, more than should have been allowed, and it did not spend that money wisely. The borrowing fostered major lifestyle upgrades for many Greeks without the real economic power to sustain those lifestyles.

Added on to this is that Greece has a major tax evasion problem, which has defied all efforts at solution.

Goldmann-Sachs played a major role in assembling the financial dog-and-pony show that allowed Greece to get in over its head, and from what I have heard, they have sold the default insurance to US banks (but there is no way of knowing because our free and deregulated financial market does not require such information to be disclosed).

So if Greece goes down, it could take some US institutions with it as well…

442 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Jun 28, 2015 11:24:40am

re: #429 wrenchwench

Those who paid off the Chicago cops were crooks. Were those who handed over money to the Greeks culpable in some way?

If you loan someone else’s money to a third party when you know there is little or no chance of them seeing it repaid (but still make a tidy profit off the deal) that is immoral and - in most civilized societies - also illegal.

443 wrenchwench  Jun 28, 2015 11:25:31am
444 The Vicious Babushka  Jun 28, 2015 11:26:34am

OH HAI AGAINS.

Teh electrics is back on. I think DTE Energy gave the latest possible ETA because the last time this happened (about 4 weeks ago) their ETA passed without restored electrics & customers were PISSED.

Meanwhile I bought some Czech beer.

445 TedStriker  Jun 28, 2015 11:30:28am

re: #168 William of Orange

The name Nathan was a dead giveaway…

Not all Nathans are knuckle-dragging, bigoted assholes:

446 PhillyPretzel  Jun 28, 2015 11:31:43am

re: #444 The Vicious Babushka

Sometimes it is better to say that something will take longer to do; so when it is finished/completed earlier most folks are happy.

447 HappyWarrior  Jun 28, 2015 11:32:15am

re: #445 TedStriker

Not all Nathans are knuckle-dragging, bigoted assholes:
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Heh loved him in the Birdcage.

448 De Kolta Chair  Jun 28, 2015 11:33:53am

re: #443 wrenchwench

Lothlórien? After all, the movie was filmed in New Zealand.

449 Dr Lizardo  Jun 28, 2015 11:34:51am

re: #448 De Kolta Chair

Lothlórien?

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I was thinking it’s like something out of Avatar.

450 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing  Jun 28, 2015 11:35:15am

re: #440 PhillyPretzel

It would have been nice to read the article with out a @$&^ pop-up. Grrr

pop-ups have become ubiquitous, to my dismay. :/

451 PhillyPretzel  Jun 28, 2015 11:36:02am

re: #450 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing

I know :(

452 ObserverArt  Jun 28, 2015 11:37:00am

re: #436 BeachDem

Yes, Berliner Park is named after him—he mostly covered local/amateur sports. Great guy.

Pete was Pete—is now Diana.

Tom Tobias sounds familiar—can’t put the name with which printer though. Knew Russ Mock—

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Tom Tobias represented Richardson Printing out of Marietta. He had an office in Grandview. If I remember correctly it was on 3rd Ave. just down from Northwest Blvd.

So you knew Russ. I was his artist in a small agency he had out on Briggs Road. It was called Dorell Advertising and we did a lot of small technical manufacturer ads, spec sheets catalogs, etc.

He had the connections with F.W. Bell and Floyd Bell and it went from there. I was with him from about ‘88 through ‘91 when he died from a heart attack caused by complications from his asthma. The remaining staff kept the place going until I was offered to do the race team work I had mentioned to you earlier. Tobias did a lot of the printing for us.

Russ was an interesting and colorful character. He even worked for Hustler when they were still in Columbus. I think he was also a regional AP editor too. I learned a lot about writing from him. He was the king of hyphenation. He died way too young. I think he was 63 or so. He was also very active in Opera Columbus.

And I don’t remember the name Rich Vekasy.

453 Eclectic Cyborg  Jun 28, 2015 11:38:27am

New page up:

Eliminate Marriage Licenses - The new GOP gamble against SSM

454 Eclectic Cyborg  Jun 28, 2015 11:39:36am

re: #440 PhillyPretzel

It would have been nice to read the article with out a @$&^ pop-up. Grrr

Some sites now make you take a survey before you can read an article.

Fuck that, I’ll find my news elsewhere.

455 HappyWarrior  Jun 28, 2015 11:39:58am

re: #453 Eclectic Cyborg

New page up:

Eliminate Marriage Licenses - The new GOP gamble against SSM

Lame.

456 Dr Lizardo  Jun 28, 2015 11:40:19am

Looks like Washington’s getting involved in the Greek mess:

US pushes for discussion on Greek debt relief

The US Government has been watching events in the eurozone with growing alarm.

And it has now revealed that Treasury secretary Jack Lew spoke with the IMF, Germany and France on Saturday, and urged a resolution to keep Greece in the euro area.

Lew also told them that the issue of Greek debt relief must be discussed (as the IMF also argues)

theguardian.com

457 Eclectic Cyborg  Jun 28, 2015 11:41:02am

re: #455 HappyWarrior

Lame.

My page or that strategy?

/

458 b.d.  Jun 28, 2015 11:41:45am

re: #456 Dr Lizardo

Looks like Washington’s getting involved in the Greek mess:

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theguardian.com

Obama must have been listening to her phone calls and decided it was time to butt in.

//

459 Shiplord Kirel  Jun 28, 2015 11:41:46am

Aviation porn from FB user Tom Demerly

Mr. Huseyin Balta shared this remarkable photo of the U.S. Air Force Thunderbirds from the era when they flew demonstrations in the F-4 Phantom II. The aircraft are extremely low and inbound toward the crowd line, something we don’t see too much in airshows anymore mostly as a result of the 1988 Rammstein Air Force Base airshow disaster, when an Italian flight demonstration team crashed into the crowd killing 67 spectators.

The noise level would have been phenomenal.

460 ObserverArt  Jun 28, 2015 11:42:24am

re: #448 De Kolta Chair

Lothlórien? After all, the movie was filmed in New Zealand.

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De Kolta…thanks for the Southern Culture (SCOTS) vid/song from earlier. I think that is the first time I saw them mentioned here outside the one time I brought them up. I love those guys. I’m always playing Dirt Track Date and Countrypolitan.

461 Dr Lizardo  Jun 28, 2015 11:43:04am

re: #453 Eclectic Cyborg

New page up:

Eliminate Marriage Licenses - The new GOP gamble against SSM

Bunch of fucking clowns. The wingnuts need to go eat a bag of dicks. This is the equivalent of a small child throwing a temper tantrum; of a petulant toddler taking his ball and going home.

Family values, my ass.

462 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Jun 28, 2015 11:43:46am

re: #456 Dr Lizardo

Looks like Washington’s getting involved in the Greek mess:

And it has now revealed that Treasury secretary Jack Lew spoke with the IMF, Germany and France on Saturday, and urged a resolution to keep Greece in the euro area.

Because, as is suspected, Goldmann Sachs sold the Greek default insurance to US investors…somebody is gonna get burned bad.

463 Dr Lizardo  Jun 28, 2015 11:43:57am

re: #458 b.d.

Obama must have been listening to her phone calls and decided it was time to butt in.

//

LOLOL

“Hey, Angela, it’s Barack here. I heard you talking to Tsipras…..oops.”

:D

464 Timothy Watson  Jun 28, 2015 11:44:16am

Watching ER, so funny watching Kerry Weaver get what she had coming. One more reason to love Ming-Na Wen. :)

465 Viscous Obama  Jun 28, 2015 11:44:28am

re: #10 jaunte

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If Yankees shot his “Great-grandpa” he’s either a lot older than he looks or they didn’t shoot him in the Civil War. Maybe he got shot burgling a house in Pennsylvania.

LAST SEAT IN THE LAST ROW ON THE LAST TRAIN TO CLAAAAARKSVILLE

466 Dr Lizardo  Jun 28, 2015 11:44:29am

re: #462 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

Because, as is suspected, Goldmann Sachs sold the Greek default insurance to US investors…somebody is gonna get burned bad.

Yep. Really bad.

467 HappyWarrior  Jun 28, 2015 11:45:07am

re: #457 Eclectic Cyborg

My page or that strategy?

/

Hah the strategy obvs.

468 HappyWarrior  Jun 28, 2015 11:46:04am

re: #461 Dr Lizardo

Bunch of fucking clowns. The wingnuts need to go eat a bag of dicks. This is the equivalent of a small child throwing a temper tantrum; of a petulant toddler taking his ball and going home.

Family values, my ass.

That’s their whole ideology frankly.

469 BeachDem  Jun 28, 2015 11:46:12am

re: #452 ObserverArt

It was late 70s/early 80s when I knew Russ Mock—I think it was soon after he got divorced. He was an account executive for us, so I don’t have any recollection of his writing. I think he was only with us for about 6 months—my memory is a bit fuzzy at this point.

RV was an artist, and also went to and sometimes taught at CCAD.

470 ObserverArt  Jun 28, 2015 11:47:46am

re: #453 Eclectic Cyborg

New page up:

Eliminate Marriage Licenses - The new GOP gamble against SSM

Now that is a clear indication they have a big desire for a theology.

I hope the younger people are watching closely. These fundie types could mess this country up big time if the younger people don’t get real active in politics and put a stop to that thinking.

That is one of the things I mentioned in my Cruz message. I told him he and his father are dangerous to the American Constitution and should both leave the country because of their seeming desire to turn this great nation into a theology.

471 De Kolta Chair  Jun 28, 2015 11:49:12am

re: #460 ObserverArt

De Kolta…thanks for the Southern Culture (SCOTS) vid/song from earlier. I think that is the first time I saw them mentioned here outside the one time I brought them up. I love those guys. I’m always playing Dirt Track Date and Countrypolitan.

Glad you liked it, ObserverArt. Countrypolitan Favorites is a great album.

472 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 28, 2015 11:54:18am

good grief:

473 HappyWarrior  Jun 28, 2015 11:55:18am

re: #472 Backwoods_Sleuth

good grief:

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I knew I never liked Ed for a good reason.

474 Timothy Watson  Jun 28, 2015 11:57:53am

re: #472 Backwoods_Sleuth

good grief:

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LIBERAL MEDIA!!1!

475 ObserverArt  Jun 28, 2015 11:58:01am

re: #469 BeachDem

It was late 70s/early 80s when I knew Russ Mock—I think it was soon after he got divorced. He was an account executive for us, so I don’t have any recollection of his writing. I think he was only with us for about 6 months—my memory is a bit fuzzy at this point.

RV was an artist, and also went to and sometimes taught at CCAD.

Rich Vekasy was a CCAD teacher??? Hmm. What era? I graduated from there in 1977. I was a student from Sept ‘72 to Feb ‘77. As you probably know, it was a 4.5 year school, and I had to work summers so I had to go that extra half year.

It is kind of funny, that we were in the same line of work and we get to talk about it now at LGF.

I may be looking at a total career change or some kind of funky job. Finding freelance work since I lost my job in racing/automotive is not going well. You get out of the loop and lose connections, get closer to retirement age and it is not a good thing. In fact it sucks.

Another name I bet you know since you know some local printers. Are you familiar with Steve Southard and his wife Martha Vance. He ran Southard Printing after inheriting from his parents. They did a lot of State of Ohio work. Used to be on Long Street just up from CCAD?

By the way, I hope we are not boring the other Footballers. I don’t want to do that. But it is fun finding out about people like Pete Franklin. That still has me stunned!

476 ObserverArt  Jun 28, 2015 12:01:20pm

re: #471 De Kolta Chair

Glad you liked it, ObserverArt. Countrypolitan Favorites is a great album.

Yeah it is. I still smile thinking of the first time I heard this little cover of The Who’s Happy Jack. I would never have guessed doing it in a blue grass style.

…

I bet this will bring some smiles to the Lizards!

477 RealityBasedSteve  Jun 28, 2015 12:01:34pm

re: #465 Viscous Obama

LAST SEAT IN THE LAST ROW ON THE LAST TRAIN TO CLAAAAARKSVILLE

Hey, that’s my town now. And song “Last Train to Clarksville” really is about Clarksville, TN. I’ll have to go down to the old train depot and get some pictures to post up here some time. Passenger service was discontinued years and years ago, but they keep the station well preserved as a tiny museum.

RBS

478 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing  Jun 28, 2015 12:03:30pm

re: #472 Backwoods_Sleuth

good grief:

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Fuck you, Ed.

479 ObserverArt  Jun 28, 2015 12:08:21pm

re: #478 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing

Fuck you, Ed.

I think Ed is losing it a lot lately.

480 De Kolta Chair  Jun 28, 2015 12:09:42pm

re: #476 ObserverArt

I bet this will bring some smiles to the Lizards!

Excellent choice!

481 TedStriker  Jun 28, 2015 12:10:32pm

re: #477 RealityBasedSteve

Hey, that’s my town now. And song “Last Train to Clarksville” really is about Clarksville, TN. I’ll have to go down to the old train depot and get some pictures to post up here some time. Passenger service was discontinued years and years ago, but they keep the station well preserved as a tiny museum.

RBS

Sort of:

It is often said that the song refers to Clarksville, Tennessee, which is close to Fort Campbell, Kentucky, the home of the 101st Airborne Division, which served in Vietnam. But according to songwriter Hart, it was not specifically written with that town in mind.

Hart said of writing the song: “We were just looking for a name that sounded good. There’s a little town in northern Arizona I used to go through in the summer on the way to Oak Creek Canyon called Clarksdale. We were throwing out names, and when we got to Clarksdale, we thought Clarksville sounded even better. We didn’t know it at the time, [but] there is an Air Force base near the town of Clarksville, Tennessee — which would have fit the bill fine for the story line. We couldn’t be too direct with The Monkees. We couldn’t really make a protest song out of it — we kind of snuck it in.”

Bobby Hart got the “Air Force base” part in describing Ft. Campbell wrong, but ultimately, it really doesn’t matter. It’s still a pretty good song and I think it was kind of amazing that Boyce, Hart, and the Monkees were able to slide what is really a early Vietnam War protest song past the network censors and onto prime-time TV.

Just a side note, I passed the Clarksville depot museum many, many, many times in commuting from Nashville to APSU and vice versa for five years.

482 ObserverArt  Jun 28, 2015 12:15:23pm

re: #481 TedStriker

Sort of:

Bobby Hart got the “Air Force base” part in describing Ft. Campbell wrong, but ultimately, it really doesn’t matter. It’s still a pretty good song and I think it was kind of amazing that Boyce, Hart, and the Monkees were able to slide what is really a early Vietnam War protest song past the network censors and onto prime-time TV.

Here is a version you may never have heard. One of Cleveland Ohio’s best bands in the late 60s early 70s. Add a little funk and some of Adam Blessing’s (Bill Constable) gospel tinged voice and you have a completely different feel.

…

483 TedStriker  Jun 28, 2015 12:17:17pm

re: #482 ObserverArt

Here is a version you may never have heard. One of Cleveland Ohio’s best bands in the late 60s early 70s. Add a little funk and some of Adam Blessing’s (Bill Constable) gospel tinged voice and you have a completely different feel.

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Video

That’s pretty damn tight.

484 ObserverArt  Jun 28, 2015 12:20:20pm

re: #483 TedStriker

That’s pretty damn tight.

They kicked some serious ass. Constable had a great bluesy/gospel voice. Do a YouTube search and check them out. I never failed to go to a Damnation concert when they played the town I grew up in up in Northern Ohio. I probably saw them 10 or more times. They were rock/soul/blues and a little jazz all mashed together. It is sad they never really made it past a regional level.

485 De Kolta Chair  Jun 28, 2015 12:26:28pm

re: #482 ObserverArt

Here is a version you may never have heard. One of Cleveland Ohio’s best bands in the late 60s early 70s. Add a little funk and some of Adam Blessing’s (Bill Constable) gospel tinged voice and you have a completely different feel.

Nice. And then there’s Dan Hicks And The Hot Licks’ “Last Train To Hicksville”

…

486 De Kolta Chair  Jun 28, 2015 12:28:06pm

re: #485 De Kolta Chair

Not meant to be here.

487 BeachDem  Jun 28, 2015 12:44:19pm

re: #475 ObserverArt

Private Comment

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488 jonhendry  Jun 28, 2015 8:35:46pm

re: #381 HappyWarrior

Jindal works for that too. I have so many moments where I’m astounded he got a Rhodes Scholarship.

So do David “diaper boy” Vitter and Kris Kobach of Kansas.


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