South Carolina Will Allow Ku Klux Klan Rally at Capitol to Protest Removal of Confederate Flag

Group calls Dylann Roof “a young warrior”
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Here’s one of those stories that makes you just say, “Good grief.” The North Carolina branch of the KKK, who call themselves “The Loyal White Knights of the Ku Klux Klan,” has been granted a permit to hold a rally on the grounds of the South Carolina Statehouse on July 18th.

They’re upset about the possible removal of the Confederate flag, and they’ve called alleged mass murderer Dylann Roof “a young warrior.”

Robert Jones, grand dragon for the group, said on Monday that the Klan is a civil rights organization dedicated to white culture and history as symbolized by the rebel banner.

During a phone interview, Jones gave words of support for Roof, saying he erred in going after black people while they worshipped. On the Klan group’s telephone answering machine is a recorded message that refers to Roof as a warrior.

[…]

“He was heading in the right direction; wrong target,” Jones said. “He should have actually aimed at the African-American gang-bangers, the ones who are selling the drugs to white youth, the ones who are robbing and raping every chance they get.”

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Confederate flag: KKK chapter to hold rally on South Carolina Statehouse grounds

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149 comments
1 Iwouldprefernotto  Jun 29, 2015 5:07:01pm

Why? Don’t give me this freedom of speech crap. Hate speech is not protected.

2 Charles Johnson  Jun 29, 2015 5:07:45pm
3 Charles Johnson  Jun 29, 2015 5:08:30pm
4 Kid A  Jun 29, 2015 5:08:59pm

I fully expect these Klan klownz to show up without their hoods on.

5 Kid A  Jun 29, 2015 5:13:32pm

re: #3 Charles Johnson

Apparently not.

6 Decatur Deb  Jun 29, 2015 5:13:59pm

re: #4 Kid A

I fully expect these Klan klownz to show up without their hoods on.

Depends on the state/local anti-Klan laws.

7 stpaulbear  Jun 29, 2015 5:14:02pm

No fucking shit.

Guy films confederate flag parade in GA. Stuff happens. Guy laughs.

…

8 stpaulbear  Jun 29, 2015 5:16:45pm

Big thunderstorm just about to bear down on the Twin Cities. Looks like it’ll be really quick but intense. Severe t-storm warnings to the north and east of me but not where I live yet.

9 EPR-radar  Jun 29, 2015 5:17:10pm

re: #1 Iwouldprefernotto

Why? Don’t give me this freedom of speech crap. Hate speech is not protected.

In the US, hate speech is legally protected unless it amounts to an immediate incitement to violence etc.

In Germany, an equivalent public demonstration by Nazis or neo-Nazis would be illegal.

I can’t really think of a good reason why US law is better than German law with respect to such demonstrations.

10 Iwouldprefernotto  Jun 29, 2015 5:18:37pm

re: #9 EPR-radar

In the US, hate speech is legally protected unless it amounts to an immediate incitement to violence etc.

In Germany, an equivalent public demonstration by Nazis or neo-Nazis would be illegal.

I can’t really think of a good reason why US law is better than German law with respect to such demonstrations.

Considering recent events, how is this not an incitement?

(I do get your point, but I need to vent).

11 Decatur Deb  Jun 29, 2015 5:19:16pm

re: #9 EPR-radar

…snip
I can’t really think of a good reason why US law is better than German law with respect to such demonstrations.

Conservatives vote.

13 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 29, 2015 5:20:50pm

re: #11 Decatur Deb

Conservatives vote.

And voter turnout, in general, is abysmal.

14 #FergusonFireside  Jun 29, 2015 5:21:51pm

Brain bleach requires you to read Bree Newsome’s statement as reported by Goldie.

15 A Cranky One  Jun 29, 2015 5:22:09pm

My take on this rally is different. More in the line with “Please proceed…”. Let the Klan rally, wave the Confederate flag and protest its removal.

Then show the film to anyone who claims the flag isn’t a racist symbol.

16 jaunte  Jun 29, 2015 5:22:25pm
17 Decatur Deb  Jun 29, 2015 5:23:33pm

re: #15 A Cranky One

My take on this rally is different. More in the line with “Please proceed…”. Let the Klan rally, wave the Confederate flag and protest its removal.

Then show the film to anyone who claims the flag isn’t a racist symbol.

In practical terms, their turnout for the last 20 years has revealed their weakness. If that changes, the demonstration is a metric.

18 Jenner7  Jun 29, 2015 5:25:38pm

re: #7 stpaulbear

Hahahahaha. “God don’t like ugly”.

19 #FergusonFireside  Jun 29, 2015 5:25:49pm

Systemic.

20 The Vicious Babushka  Jun 29, 2015 5:28:43pm
21 Charles Johnson  Jun 29, 2015 5:29:11pm
22 jaunte  Jun 29, 2015 5:30:12pm
23 A Cranky One  Jun 29, 2015 5:30:15pm

re: #17 Decatur Deb

In practical terms, their turnout for the last 20 years has revealed their weakness. If that changes, the demonstration is a metric.

Good point. Racism is so mainstreamed in the right wing that more folks may be willing to show it. Let’s hope the turnout is as pitiful as the participants.

24 Drive By Commenter  Jun 29, 2015 5:30:53pm

Oh look! It’s a Southern Heritage Parade! Can I a get a souvenir noose, mom? Please? Please? Huh?!?

25 The Vicious Babushka  Jun 29, 2015 5:32:06pm

I. CAN’T. STOP. LAUGHING.

26 Decatur Deb  Jun 29, 2015 5:36:09pm

re: #24 Drive By Commenter

Oh look! It’s a Southern Heritage Parade! Can I a get a souvenir noose, mom? Please? Please? Huh?!?

You can get one online and avoid state sales tax.

Image: iii_noose.jpg

27 ObserverArt  Jun 29, 2015 5:36:17pm

I was making this ‘shop for the last thread and then this one opens…but you know, hot air seems to work for this thread too!

28 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 29, 2015 5:37:00pm

re: #27 ObserverArt

I was making this ‘shop for the last thread and then this one opens…but you know, hot air seems to work for this thread too!

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needs more flames…

29 ObserverArt  Jun 29, 2015 5:37:48pm

re: #28 Backwoods_Sleuth

needs more flames…

I’ll do that one in about a month or two.

: )

30 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 29, 2015 5:38:29pm

re: #29 ObserverArt

I’ll do that one in about a month or two.

: )

That’ll be just about the right time.
:D

31 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 29, 2015 5:39:16pm
32 Great White Snark  Jun 29, 2015 5:40:58pm

re: #1 Iwouldprefernotto

Why? Don’t give me this freedom of speech crap. Hate speech is not protected.

Be that as it may the Klan has won the right to protest more than once. I can’t strictly speaking blame the local government on that one, just the Klan members for being the unflinching haters they are.

33 Joe Bacon  Jun 29, 2015 5:42:37pm

Are these guys going to sing at the Klan rally?

…

34 Higgs Boson's Mate  Jun 29, 2015 5:43:35pm

re: #32 Great White Snark

Be that as it may the Klan has won the right to protest more than once. I can’t strictly speaking blame the local government on that one, just the Klan members for being the unflinching haters they are.

This points up something that the right just doesn’t get; if the Klan had been denied a permit the ACLU would have been there for them.

35 Decatur Deb  Jun 29, 2015 5:44:19pm

You can’t always tell the politics of those boys in sheets.

36 The Vicious Babushka  Jun 29, 2015 5:45:56pm
37 Charles Johnson  Jun 29, 2015 5:47:35pm

I used to believe it was better to let hate groups like this expose themselves to the public. But I can’t really support that belief any more. In the Internet era it seems that groups like this actually gain strength when they’re allowed to demonstrate in public.

I don’t know what the solution is. But I think the classic model of absolutist free speech is dangerously insufficient in the modern age.

38 jaunte  Jun 29, 2015 5:47:56pm

re: #36 The Vicious Babushka

Their clever extension of the “Heads I win, tails you lose” argument popular in 4th grade.

39 VegasGolfer  Jun 29, 2015 5:48:07pm

re: #19 #FergusonFireside

Systemic.

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I just retired and was shredding my old work files. My signature has completely changed since when I started in 1987. Guess I can’t vote.
I live in Nevada, which isn’t as wacky as the southern states…..yet.

40 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 29, 2015 5:48:11pm
41 Shiplord Kirel  Jun 29, 2015 5:49:09pm

During the 60s Civil Rights era, “respectable” southern whites generally reviled the Klan as “trash” and “low class,” which they certainly were.

What the genteel folk did not say was that the Klan provided the hidden muscle behind the gentry who made up the White Citizen’s Councils, the Sovereignty Commission, and all the other machinery of institutional racism.

It was yet another iteration of the ancient theme of plausible deniability, and it continues in various forms to the present day.

42 Iwouldprefernotto  Jun 29, 2015 5:49:47pm

I think what bothers me is that they are entitled to free speech, but they are not entitled to get in my face.

43 Higgs Boson's Mate  Jun 29, 2015 5:50:15pm

re: #37 Charles Johnson

I don’t know what the solution is. But I think the classic model of absolutist free speech is dangerously insufficient in the modern age.

You’re right, to my thinking. Lamentably, I can think of no one other than me whom I’d trust for the job of revising the laws.

44 ObserverArt  Jun 29, 2015 5:51:13pm

Go ahead and bring out as many Klu Klux Klowns as they can dig up. The more the merrier. Put on as big and loud a protest as you can.

Unlike some down south saying the flag is not a racist statement…there is very little doubt throughout America the Klan is indeed racist.

This demonstration will cast no doubt why they are defending the flag.

It is racism.

This settles any doubt.

And they are too stupid to see that.

45 jaunte  Jun 29, 2015 5:51:56pm
Robert Jones, grand dragon for the group, said on Monday that the Klan is a civil rights organization dedicated to white culture and history as symbolized by the rebel banner.
postandcourier.com

So, “treason in service to slavery” it is.

46 Charles Johnson  Jun 29, 2015 5:53:51pm
47 jaunte  Jun 29, 2015 5:53:54pm
48 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 29, 2015 5:55:54pm

My farm has an interesting history.
It was part of a several-thousand-acre land grant back in the 1700s and stayed in that family until I bought the last remaining ~200 acres (including the pre-Civil War house) 20+ years ago.
There was a thriving community here during abolition times, when the original family sheltered escaping slaves. I still stumble over remnants of those small houses hidden away in the hollers and coves.
Then, in the 1940s, the matriarch of the family founded the first local chapter of the KKK.

People are strange.

49 Charles Johnson  Jun 29, 2015 5:58:23pm

Chuck Johnson has a new interview on Twitter, on a Fresno public access channel. He spews racism, of course. Supports the Confederate flag, says Donald Trump was right about Mexicans being rapists and criminals, says he’s going to win his lawsuit against Gawker, says blacks are genetically disposed to violence, the usual awful crap.

But there’s one interesting tidbit in it — he apparently lost his book deal with St. Martin’s Press for “Oppo Man,” because he says he’s shopping around his book to various publishers. I’d love to know the backstory on why that deal fell apart.

50 Charles Johnson  Jun 29, 2015 5:59:28pm

Here’s that interview, in case anyone else wants to torture themselves like I did by watching it. This guy makes my skin crawl.

51 A Cranky One  Jun 29, 2015 6:00:10pm

re: #46 Charles Johnson

Goths have been around for a long time.

52 aagcobb  Jun 29, 2015 6:01:40pm

re: #37 Charles Johnson

I used to believe it was better to let hate groups like this expose themselves to the public. But I can’t really support that belief any more. In the Internet era it seems that groups like this actually gain strength when they’re allowed to demonstrate in public.

I don’t know what the solution is. But I think the classic model of absolutist free speech is dangerously insufficient in the modern age.

Respectfully, as a believer in the critical importance of free speech, letting the state censure speech based on its content makes me uneasy. The ACLU protects the free speech rights of scum like the Klan and the Nazis to ensure the free speech rights of the rest of us.

53 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 29, 2015 6:02:05pm
54 Amory Blaine  Jun 29, 2015 6:02:35pm

Would it be wrong for protesters to show up at GOP presidential rallies armed en masse? Should they wear masks too?

55 ObserverArt  Jun 29, 2015 6:03:57pm

re: #52 aagcobb

Respectfully, as a believer in the critical importance of free speech, letting the state censure speech based on its content makes me uneasy. The ACLU protects the free speech rights of scum like the Klan and the Nazis to ensure the free speech rights of the rest of us.

Yes. Skokie Illinois.

56 Charles Johnson  Jun 29, 2015 6:04:20pm

re: #52 aagcobb

Respectfully, as a believer in the critical importance of free speech, letting the state censure speech based on its content makes me uneasy. The ACLU protects the free speech rights of scum like the Klan and the Nazis to ensure the free speech rights of the rest of us.

I didn’t say I want the state to censor speech - I said I don’t know what the solution is. And I don’t. But I do know that it’s become increasingly dangerous to allow hate groups free reign - and I think one reason is the media’s “view from nowhere” in which they present all opinions and views as morally equivalent and never express any judgment.

57 Great White Snark  Jun 29, 2015 6:04:24pm

re: #37 Charles Johnson

I used to believe it was better to let hate groups like this expose themselves to the public. But I can’t really support that belief any more. In the Internet era it seems that groups like this actually gain strength when they’re allowed to demonstrate in public.

I don’t know what the solution is. But I think the classic model of absolutist free speech is dangerously insufficient in the modern age.

IMHO we will have to find another way apart from significantly restricting political speech under the law. Sadly what can be used will surely be abused.

58 Amory Blaine  Jun 29, 2015 6:05:24pm

re: #49 Charles Johnson

Ha ha public access? Isn’t he against the government funding of anything?

59 Charles Johnson  Jun 29, 2015 6:05:57pm

Hang on, folks - don’t jump to conclusions. I’m NOT saying I want laws restricting speech. Let’s please be clear on that.

60 bratwurst  Jun 29, 2015 6:06:41pm

Quite a one-two punch on my Chicago Tribune opinion page today. First we have S.E. Cupp (do her friends call her S?) with a contribution to the SCOTUS decision on Obamacare was GREAT for the GOP! genre of right wing spin.

Just below that is the dunderheaded Jennifer Rubin with her political fan fiction about Bobby Jindal, imaging what it would be like if he were a canny politician instead of a pandering horse’s ass. I am not kidding!

I REALLY like to read the newspaper while I eat and I am such a slob I’d fear getting food all over a tablet. That is the only reason I keep paying for this crap. I don’t even have fish to wrap or bird cages to line.

61 BeachDem  Jun 29, 2015 6:06:56pm

re: #47 jaunte

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And when one of those big honkers comes flying off the pickmeup, it could put an eye out!

62 Belafon  Jun 29, 2015 6:07:14pm

re: #37 Charles Johnson

I used to believe it was better to let hate groups like this expose themselves to the public. But I can’t really support that belief any more. In the Internet era it seems that groups like this actually gain strength when they’re allowed to demonstrate in public.

I don’t know what the solution is. But I think the classic model of absolutist free speech is dangerously insufficient in the modern age.

I think we all have to treat them the same way we do trolls here and people like Chuck. You can’t ignore them, because they won’t go away. You attack them the way we have been doing recently with things like calling the Confederate flag is the flag of traitors. You don’t let them get away with the stuff.

The problem we’re going to have over the next few weeks is not just the people who want to say it’s not a problem, but those that decide they are tired of fighting it. We have to keep reminding these people that the only way to end this is to fight it.

What we will have to do is show the flag wavers that they are not free from the consequences of their speech. Politicians who support them will have to be called on it. Business that support it will have to be singled out.

I don’t know what Robert Jones does for a living, but if it’s a business he owns it needs to be boycotted, and if he’s employed, then his employer needs to be made to let him go.

I think the best model for this would be the Stop Rush campaign.

63 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 29, 2015 6:07:42pm
64 prairiefire  Jun 29, 2015 6:08:09pm

re: #48 Backwoods_Sleuth

Have you ever found buried broken China, etc when digging around? That’s how they used to throw out the trash. Ever see any ghosts?

65 BeachDem  Jun 29, 2015 6:10:13pm

re: #47 jaunte

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And just a few minutes earlier (Note the ages. sigh)

66 stpaulbear  Jun 29, 2015 6:12:22pm

I got my used copy of Battle Cry of Freedom by James McPherson in the mail today. That was quick; I ordered it on the 24th. Used but in really good shape.

I think Amazon sellers send stuff to you faster if you have a record of leaving five-star feedback. It seems like everything I buy from a marketplace seller arrives in less than a week now.

67 ObserverArt  Jun 29, 2015 6:12:50pm

re: #56 Charles Johnson

I didn’t say I want the state to censor speech - I said I don’t know what the solution is. And I don’t. But I do know that it’s become increasingly dangerous to allow hate groups free reign - and I think one reason is the media’s “view from nowhere” in which they present all opinions and views as morally equivalent and never express any judgment.

My hope is the masses get sick enough of crap like this and they make the right decisions in spite of our funky media.

The only way we will get a critical media back again is when they get the numbers to make enough money off of making those judgments and they get over the numbers that they see FOX gets.

We all say FOX will fade as their viewers grow old and pass. At that point even FOX will need to change too.

68 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 29, 2015 6:13:49pm

re: #64 prairiefire

Have you ever found buried broken China, etc when digging around? That’s how they used to throw out the trash. Ever see any ghosts?

yes and yes.

My favorite “ghost” is a scent. Every autumn (around hog slaughter time) we smell hickory smoke. A very strong scent of hickory smoke, right near where the smokehouse is (it’s now a root cellar, pumphouse for the well and power room for the solar batteries).

We also have a “thieving ghost” that steals things and replaces the stolen item with something it had previously stolen.

There is also faint music from time to time, and sounds of doors shutting and walking up stairs, neither of which exist anymore inside the house.

69 lawhawk  Jun 29, 2015 6:14:28pm

re: #59 Charles Johnson

I get that there’s difficulty in trying to figure out what an appropriate response is to those who spew this kind of noxious speech, and we do have a healthy respect for the 1A, which means that there are limits to what we can do.

I also think you’ve got a good point that some of the current problem is that the media have decided to treat all opinions as valid, even as some clearly aren’t or shouldn’t be valid. In their attempt to be “nonpartisan” they’ve given positions that shouldn’t have any exposure the light of day to give them support that they otherwise shouldn’t have.

Positions that might otherwise be limited to a guy shouting at passersby on the street corner can now shout out to millions of people (see Jones, Alex; Beck, Glenn; Trump, Donald, etc.)

I still think speech is answered by speech, but the Internet really taxes that position to the limit.

70 Belafon  Jun 29, 2015 6:14:39pm

A counter-rally across from the KKK on that day would be one way to protest.

Back in 1988 the KKK tried to hold a march in Abilene, TX. The city was, and probably still is, fairly well segregated. But even though the city said they would authorize it, enough people showed up at the beginning of the march to cancel it.

71 jaunte  Jun 29, 2015 6:21:26pm

I imagine there are hundreds and hundreds of examples of local media reporting on the confederate flag story who have let people talk about ‘heritage not hate’ without any sidebar or even informative comment about exactly what heritage was being defended by flying the flag of a rebellion against the national government.

72 #FergusonFireside  Jun 29, 2015 6:22:25pm
73 Belafon  Jun 29, 2015 6:23:56pm

re: #72 #FergusonFireside

One of the replies:

74 Belafon  Jun 29, 2015 6:25:39pm

Saw this picture on DK. Thought you might enjoy the smile on the cop:

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75 lawhawk  Jun 29, 2015 6:32:16pm
76 #FergusonFireside  Jun 29, 2015 6:32:59pm

@levinsreports last tweet from Columbia 1 hr ago……

77 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 29, 2015 6:33:41pm

re: #72 #FergusonFireside

Man arrested after fight breaks out during Confederate flag protest

COLUMBIA, SC (WIS) -

A man was arrested Monday after a fight broke out near the Confederate Memorial at the State House.

Video obtained by WIS shows a man getting out of his vehicle and approaching the group of “Take It Down” protestors when words were exchanged and a fight broke out.

The Bureau of Protective Services intervened and the man who got out of his vehicle was arrested and charged with disorderly conduct.

78 lawhawk  Jun 29, 2015 6:34:04pm

re: #72 #FergusonFireside

79 Amory Blaine  Jun 29, 2015 6:37:38pm

re: #77 Backwoods_Sleuth

Heh the header in the link indicates a fight breaks house.

80 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 29, 2015 6:38:50pm
81 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 29, 2015 6:41:31pm
82 Shiplord Kirel  Jun 29, 2015 6:41:35pm

60 years and counting.

Today in 1955 : The Boeing Aircraft Company delivered the first B-52 Stratofortress to enter USAF operational service to the 93d Bombardment Wing at Castle Air Force Base, California. The B-52 became—and continues to be—an important part of the Air Force’s strategic bomber inventory (emphasis added)

(AF Reserve on FB)

83 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 29, 2015 6:43:18pm
84 prairiefire  Jun 29, 2015 6:43:55pm

re: #68 Backwoods_Sleuth

So cool. Scents are quite. common. An old orphanage in my town that now houses a small museum will have a strong scent of rubbing alcohol, occasionally.

85 teleskiguy  Jun 29, 2015 6:44:19pm

re: #50 Charles Johnson

re: #49 Charles Johnson

I left what I would call a fairly typical YouTube comment on that video.

86 Shiplord Kirel  Jun 29, 2015 6:45:21pm

re: #82 Shiplord Kirel

60 years and counting.

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(AF Reserve on FB)

Worth noting: Like all Boeing aircraft, the B-52s were union-built.

87 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 29, 2015 6:46:13pm
88 Amory Blaine  Jun 29, 2015 6:48:07pm

Blog by Barack Obama
A Hard Day’s Work Deserves a Fair Day’s Pay

It’s been a good few days for America.

On Thursday, the Supreme Court reaffirmed the Affordable Care Act. It is here to stay.

And, Democrats and Republicans in Congress paved the way for the United States to rewrite the rules of global trade to benefit American workers and American businesses.

On Friday, the Court recognized the Constitutional guarantee of marriage equality. With that ruling, our union became a little more perfect — a place where more people are treated equally, no matter who they are or who they love.

These steps build upon America’s steady progress in recent years. Out of the depths of recession, we’ve emerged ready to write our own future. Our businesses have created 12.6 million new jobs over the past 63 months — the longest streak on record. More than 16 million Americans have gained health insurance. More kids are graduating from high school and college than ever before.

89 Amory Blaine  Jun 29, 2015 6:49:18pm

re: #85 teleskiguy

Hey, that’s what I heard too.

90 Shiplord Kirel  Jun 29, 2015 6:52:09pm

re: #87 Backwoods_Sleuth

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More detail:
Fire engulfs historic Oregon stadium

Looks like a wooden structure, went up like dry kindling.

91 psddluva4evah  Jun 29, 2015 6:53:19pm

Wait a minute…Tyne Daly was married to a Black man for 24 years!!! They got married when interracial marriage was still illegal.

I had no idea

Her husband was this dude George Standford Brown

92 worldknot  Jun 29, 2015 6:54:38pm

re: #78 lawhawk

This means you, Georgia.

93 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 29, 2015 6:55:01pm

re: #91 psddluva4evah

Wait a minute…Tyne Daly was married to a Black man for 24 years!!! They got married when interracial marriage was still illegal.

I had no idea

Her husband was this dude George Standford Brown

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He was Cuban, so it didn’t really count.

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94 De Kolta Chair  Jun 29, 2015 6:55:36pm
95 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 29, 2015 6:57:28pm

oh dear…

96 Pawn of the Oppressor  Jun 29, 2015 6:57:56pm

re: #66 stpaulbear

I had to go to another town to pick up my copy new. I’m glad I made the effort (driving to brick-and-mortar always disappoints). “The United States at Mid-Century”, the 2nd or 3rd chapter, has already blown my mind. I knew a lot of this stuff in the factual sense but that’s not the same thing as having a good author paint a picture with everything in context.

Personal favorite astonishing fact so far: Prior to the “transportation revolution” of the 1800’s, the cost to move goods 30 miles inland from a port was the same as the cost of transporting it across the Atlantic in the first place! O_O Coming from New England (growing up within 30 miles of port city Boston), where the legacies of “old transport” bedrock the infrastructure in the same way glacial scars and conglomerate rocks mark the history of the land itself, facts like this give new meanings to all those commutes on Boston Post Road, and all the drives on winding cowpath roads in the woods.

If the rest of the book does for me what the first couple of chapters have, this is going to be a great read…

97 Amory Blaine  Jun 29, 2015 6:59:12pm

Moron doesn’t even know what the White House looks like.

98 #FergusonFireside  Jun 29, 2015 6:59:21pm

re: #95 Backwoods_Sleuth

oh dear…

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her timeline.

99 #FergusonFireside  Jun 29, 2015 6:59:37pm

Life Coach in hate.

100 jaunte  Jun 29, 2015 6:59:42pm

re: #95 Backwoods_Sleuth

Cut-rate Anne Coulter knockoff.

101 stpaulbear  Jun 29, 2015 7:00:58pm

re: #95 Backwoods_Sleuth

oh dear…

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That looks like death. What an image…

102 Eventual Carrion  Jun 29, 2015 7:01:37pm

re: #95 Backwoods_Sleuth

oh dear…

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Capitol idea.

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103 De Kolta Chair  Jun 29, 2015 7:02:47pm

New and improved gluten-free!

104 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 29, 2015 7:04:05pm

much needed cuteness break:

105 Kid A  Jun 29, 2015 7:05:12pm

re: #95 Backwoods_Sleuth

106 ObserverArt  Jun 29, 2015 7:05:21pm

re: #98 #FergusonFireside

her timeline.

It looks like she blew a good size spliff before she took her image in her timeline.

107 GlutenFreeJesus  Jun 29, 2015 7:05:33pm

Surely those KKK DEEMOKRATS!!!! will be flying COMMIE CSA FLAG!!!!!!

108 Kid A  Jun 29, 2015 7:06:45pm

Oh my fucking God, that timeline of hers. Who is this miserable creature?

109 jaunte  Jun 29, 2015 7:07:08pm

re: #105 Kid A

I bet “Juliana” is some guy in AR or SC with a part time job at a fireworks stand.

110 Amory Blaine  Jun 29, 2015 7:09:33pm

re: #103 De Kolta Chair

Nothing says responsible ammunition storage like a fucking bucket.

111 The Vicious Babushka  Jun 29, 2015 7:09:33pm

re: #108 Kid A

Oh my fucking God, that timeline of hers. Who is this miserable creature?

UCCCCCCH.

Pre-emptively blocked & muted.

112 Belafon  Jun 29, 2015 7:10:58pm

re: #95 Backwoods_Sleuth

As far as I can tell, that’s the nicest one in her timeline.

113 Pawn of the Oppressor  Jun 29, 2015 7:11:41pm

re: #82 Shiplord Kirel

I know every one of those things is built to deliver a holocaust the same way you’d order a pizza… Make a phone call and boom, there it is… But they are still a damned impressive machine.

I took my concealed handgun course with an older guy who had flown B-52s on long armed-alert racetrack patrols up north (he also flew C-130s into Khe Sanh - he had a few stories!). I asked him about how the B-52 was to fly on alert, figuring it must have sucked to take a load of nukes for a walk for hours on end. He recounted that actually some of his favorite times flying were high up near the Arctic at 35-40,000 feet in a B-52, that you could trim it so it basically just hung up there flying itself. Then he’d just sit there and enjoy the view.

You’d never think of a bomber as big as a neighborhood being fun to fly, but he seemed to enjoy it. :)

114 GlutenFreeJesus  Jun 29, 2015 7:11:45pm

re: #95 Backwoods_Sleuth

Reported her two n-CLANG tweets. Everyone else should too.

115 De Kolta Chair  Jun 29, 2015 7:13:58pm

re: #110 Amory Blaine

Nothing says responsible ammunition storage like a fucking bucket.

Aaargh, matey, 99.9999999% of sane people prefer…

116 Charles Johnson  Jun 29, 2015 7:14:50pm
117 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 29, 2015 7:17:42pm

Here’s the storm that rolled through here earlier today:

118 jaunte  Jun 29, 2015 7:18:59pm

It appears to be a spammer. That site threw up some malware warnings.

119 Kid A  Jun 29, 2015 7:19:39pm

I think “Juliana” has been on a serious bender with Chuck.

120 GlutenFreeJesus  Jun 29, 2015 7:21:11pm

re: #118 jaunte

Did a reverse search of the profile pic and it goes to some “MAKE MONIES WIFF UR SMART PHONE N TABLET AT HOME!!!” kinda deal. heh

121 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 29, 2015 7:23:16pm
122 jaunte  Jun 29, 2015 7:23:25pm

re: #120 GlutenFreeJesus

My apologies to all the honest fireworks retailers out there in Arkansas and South Carolina.

123 Amory Blaine  Jun 29, 2015 7:24:59pm

re: #118 jaunte

Ahh here’s the problem, someone flipped the racist asshole switch. Someone please switch it back to shameless grifter please.

124 jaunte  Jun 29, 2015 7:26:15pm

re: #123 Amory Blaine

Some grifter figured this is the week people pay more attention to racist assholes.

125 De Kolta Chair  Jun 29, 2015 7:27:31pm

re: #123 Amory Blaine

Ahh here’s the problem, someone flipped the racist asshole switch. Someone please switch it back to shameless grifter please.

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126 Amory Blaine  Jun 29, 2015 7:31:54pm

If you want to see the coolest model train set that I have ever seen, try to get season 9 episode 13 of the PBS show Tracks Ahead “Images of the Past”.

127 HappyWarrior  Jun 29, 2015 7:34:45pm

They try to act like the modern Democratic party is related to the KKK yet they also spew out Coulter’s bigoted crap about cultural diversity.

128 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Jun 29, 2015 7:37:55pm

re: #49 Charles Johnson

Chuck Johnson has a new interview on Twitter, on a Fresno public access channel. He spews racism, of course. Supports the Confederate flag, says Donald Trump was right about Mexicans being rapists and criminals, says he’s going to win his lawsuit against Gawker, says blacks are genetically disposed to violence, the usual awful crap.

But there’s one interesting tidbit in it — he apparently lost his book deal with St. Martin’s Press for “Oppo Man,” because he says he’s shopping around his book to various publishers. I’d love to know the backstory on why that deal fell apart.

I’m guessing the publishers checked into the whole situation about Cocharan and realized most of what Chuck says in the book is BS. Chuck keeps referring to his now-disproved exposé about Cochran buying votes as a major success story, but it seems Cochran didn’t do what Chuck says he did.

Then there’s the baggage that Chuck brings along with him. I can’t imagine being his editor would be especially easy.

129 De Kolta Chair  Jun 29, 2015 7:43:22pm

re: #126 Amory Blaine

If you want to see the coolest model train set that I have ever seen, try to get season 9 episode 13 of the PBS show Tracks Ahead “Images of the Past”.

I’ve seen a few episodes of that show while out in Arizona. Wish they’d show it here in New York.

Neil Young and David Letterman Talk Lionel Trains:

…

He’s right, they do smell great.

130 HappyWarrior  Jun 29, 2015 7:45:10pm

re: #129 De Kolta Chair

I’ve seen a few episodes of that show while out in Arizona. Wish they;d show it here in New York.

Neil Young and David Letterman Talk Lionel Trains:

[Embedded content]

We had one that we would bring out for Christmas when I was a kid. Also had this Battle of Little Bighorn set and my brother and I would sort of recreate the battle on the trains. I think the steam car we had even used real steam. It was pretty neat.

131 RealityBasedSteve  Jun 29, 2015 7:45:17pm

re: #121 Backwoods_Sleuth

[Embedded content]

I MUST HAVE!!!!!!

132 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 29, 2015 7:45:57pm

darthstar and teleskiguy will particularly like this one:

niterz, lizardz!

133 vgranucci  Jun 29, 2015 7:48:01pm

re: #46 Charles Johnson

That is downright creepy

134 Mattand  Jun 29, 2015 7:52:27pm

Think about it: this was the friendliest venue Christie could find to launch his campaign: For Christie’s announcement, a reluctant host.

My governor, ladies and gentlemen…

135 HappyWarrior  Jun 29, 2015 7:54:22pm

re: #134 Mattand

Think about it: this was the friendliest venue Christie could find to launch his campaign: For Christie’s announcement, a reluctant host.

My governor, ladies and gentlemen…

My how the mighty have fallen. I don’t feel bad for Christie at all. You act like a dick to people especially good people like teachers who work their asses off trying to educate our nation’s children then you deserve all the bad karma you can get for your political ambitions. Hopefully the same happens ot Walker.

136 sagehen  Jun 29, 2015 7:57:19pm

re: #91 psddluva4evah

Wait a minute…Tyne Daly was married to a Black man for 24 years!!! They got married when interracial marriage was still illegal.

I had no idea

Her husband was this dude George Standford Brown

It was illegal in some States, not everywhere. California struck down miscegenation laws in 1948, NY even earlier.

137 HappyWarrior  Jun 29, 2015 7:58:11pm

re: #136 sagehen

It was illegal in some States, not everywhere. California struck down miscegenation laws in 1948, NY even earlier.

Some states rescinded their bans in the 1800’s before the Civli War even.

138 The War TARDIS  Jun 29, 2015 8:00:51pm

re: #65 BeachDem

I remember hearing about a study that, when adjusted for ethnic background, White Millenials are only a slight bit more Liberal than their parents.

139 Dark_Falcon  Jun 29, 2015 8:01:02pm

re: #37 Charles Johnson

I used to believe it was better to let hate groups like this expose themselves to the public. But I can’t really support that belief any more. In the Internet era it seems that groups like this actually gain strength when they’re allowed to demonstrate in public.

I don’t know what the solution is. But I think the classic model of absolutist free speech is dangerously insufficient in the modern age.

But the classic model is the one that is in the Constitution. And though I despise their beliefs to the core of my being, and though I think the Star and Bars needs to leave the S.C. state capitol, the KKK’s planned rally in support of keeping that flag there clearly stands as political speech, and unless said rally either becomes violent or incites violence, then it is protected by the 1st Amendment.

Again, I utterly loath the Ku Klux Klan, but my belief in the Constitution of the United States, the Constitution the Union Army fought to defend, means that the Klan’s rally must be allowed. However, it is my most earnest hope that the Klan and its supporters are outnumbered 10-1 by those who want the Confederate flag gone. Let vile speech be answered by more and better decent speech.

140 #FergusonFireside  Jun 29, 2015 8:02:19pm

re: #133 vgranucci

That is downright creepy

Those mashups are always so wrong.

141 HappyWarrior  Jun 29, 2015 8:02:37pm

re: #138 The War TARDIS

I remember hearing about a study that, when adjusted for ethnic background, White Millenials are only a slight bit more Liberal than their parents.

That actually doesn’t surprise me. I think part of the reason why millenials as a whole are more liberal bunch is because we’re a much more culturally diverse bunch.

142 HappyWarrior  Jun 29, 2015 8:09:09pm

Anyhow I see a little where Charles is coming from. I completely understand for example why Holocaust denial is illegal in most European nations, why the swastika is forbidden, etc. But I also see DF’s point about the Constitution too. Hate speech being criminalized is a hazy area for me since it seems to me that such a thing is subjective. I mean obviously there are things most of us can agree would qualify but there are some things that are a little more complicated. I also think it’s good to know who these people are too.

143 The War TARDIS  Jun 29, 2015 8:14:54pm

re: #141 HappyWarrior

Yeah. I think me being born with Autism gave me a different perspective. One that made me thoroughly disgusted with White Suburbia.

That probably was a huge predecessor to my conversion.

What galls me is how unaware so many white Millenials are.

144 HappyWarrior  Jun 29, 2015 8:18:14pm

re: #143 The War TARDIS

Yeah. I think me being born with Autism gave me a different perspective. One that made me thoroughly disgusted with White Suburbia.

That probably was a huge predecessor to my conversion.

What galls me is how unaware so many white Millenials are.

I think that helps for me too but I did grow up in a pretty liberal household too. But being on the spectrum definitely gives me more empathy (ironic huh) towards downtrodden groups than I would be if I weren’t.

145 Virginia Dreaming  Jun 29, 2015 8:21:18pm

re: #70 Belafon

These hate groups like the KKK are just much about fear as hate. They will do pretty horrible things when they think they have an advantage, but generally slink away when they don’t. So let them have their rally. But have a larger, peaceful group of people to hem them in. They will scream and shake their fists, but then back away in fear of an overwhelming counter rally.
So yes, the counter rally is the best solution. Expose their cowardice and empty hate speech for what it is. It won’t solve the problem, but it will reduce it somewhat.

146 goddamnedfrank  Jun 29, 2015 8:22:37pm

re: #109 jaunte

I bet “Juliana” is some guy in AR or SC with a part time job at a fireworks stand.

Close actually.

As far as I can tell Juliana is actually Daniel St. Pierre of St. Petersburg Florida. Whois says he’s the registrant of her ebook web page. He runs a “Christian” wedding photography business and is associated with various other sites

Here’s a Ripoff Report on him.

Here’s the Youtube video that St. Pierre uploaded when the owner of the used car dealership refused to purchase his advertising services.

…

147 The War TARDIS  Jun 29, 2015 8:41:52pm

re: #144 HappyWarrior

Mine aren’t. They didn’t like Bush but they believed the normal tripe about minorities, and still does. Occasionally, my dad and mom will get a glimmer of awareness, such as with a former friend who is half Hispanic insisting that the incident in Charleston was am attack on Christians. We ended up at the conclusion that she simply whitewashed herself, help by the fact her father is a thorough wack-job who somehow found a Hispanic wife.

But at times, they gave both threatened to cut me off when i was in college for bring hrahars critical of their views. My mom more so. Come to think of it, mom did that alot. Dad only a few times.

148 Eric The Fruit Bat  Jun 29, 2015 8:59:45pm

re: #50 Charles Johnson

Not without a large dose of fentanyl and midazolam -y’know, the standard drugs used in colonoscopies.

Personally, I think meperidene and diazepam were a better combo…

149 taserian  Jun 30, 2015 10:20:32am

re: #41 Shiplord Kirel

I think the following might serve as a foil to the KKK march:

ARTICLE 3. OFFENSES TENDING TO BREACH OF PEACE
SECTION 16-7-110. Wearing masks and the like. [SC ST SEC 16-7-110]

No person over sixteen years of age shall appear or enter upon any lane, walk, alley, street, road, public way or highway of this State or upon the public property of the State or of any municipality or county in this State while wearing a mask or other device which conceals his identity. […]


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