The Burlington NC Neo-Nazi who inspired Dylann Roof

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Anybody familiar with right wing extremism has likely heard of The Turner Diaries. Written by William Pierce, The Turner Diaries depicts a United States enveloped by racial civil war, bombings of federal buildings and the eventual global genocide of all non-white human beings. Pages of the book were found in Timothy McVeigh’s vehicle. However, as it was written in 1978, it may seem a little dated to aspiring young race war nuts.

Here to fill that void is Harold Covington (seen above with the blue, white and green flag of his imaginary white homeland set in present day Oregon, Washingon State, Idaho and Montana)

Born in Burlington, NC, Covington set about alienating his family and classmates with his racial views and invincible arrogance. A short stint in the US Army ended when he was discharged for mental illness in the early 1970’s after he was caught distributing Nazi propaganda to other soldiers. Covington made his way to Rhodesia (sound familiar?) where his noisome personality once again made him unwelcome. (One wonders just how big a racist asshole you would have to be to get kicked out by Ian Smith’s government.) Covington spent time networking with racists in South Africa before going to the UK to collaborate with the BNP and other far right British groups off and on in the late 70’s and 80’s.

Here in North Carolina, Covington was associated with the 1979 massacre of socialist activists in Greensboro. After managing to insult and pick fights with virtually every far right group in America (usually by accusing people of having Jewish ancestry, natch), Covington retreated to the Pacific Northwest (he has an outstanding warrant for his arrest here in NC for violating court orders pertaining to a libel case) where he began his dystopic Nazi porn epic series of books, including The Brigade, A Mighty Fortress, Sons of Freedom and other books with similar preposterous titles.

I have read excerpts from the online edition of The Brigade and found it is dripping with the blood of murdered lesbian women (killed by shotgun while in bed), African American athletes, Latinos, Jewish citizens and, of course, “race traitors”. I strongly suggest nobody else bother to look at it. If the word ‘evil’ has any meaning at all, these books exemplify the term. In them, a quasi-fictional group called the Northwest Front wages a guerilla war to create a white “homeland” in the Pacific Northwest. The books serve as a recruitment tool for what Covington hopes will be an actual race war with himself as the primogenitor of a new white paradise.

The British newspaper The Guardian recently interviewed Covington:

The racist manifesto and photos apparently posted by Roof makes mention of the Northwest Front, created by Covington, a former member of the American Nazi party who traveled to South Africa and Rhodesia in order to agitate for white power. In the accompanying photos, Roof wore patches with Rhodesian and apartheid-era South African flags on them.
Covington, if you believe his website, runs a growing enclave of white supremacists near Seattle called the Northwest Front. The non-profit group is reflected in a series of sci-fi novels, authored by Covington, about a dystopian future in which a white nation is the only answer to US economic and racial woes.

Covington denied specific knowledge of the attack in Charleston, although his denunciation only went so far as to declare the killings “counterproductive”

A few hours after the interview, his podcast had this to say:

“They’ve been given a vision of a time in some imagined but possibly not too-far distant future when all of a sudden, on the street or in their office, or in some trendy fern bar, or Starbucks, or wine-and-cheese boutique on the Upper East Side or in San Francisco, they will look up, possibly from the laptop, where they are typing up their day’s quota of leftwing, liberal horseshit, and they will see a young white man like Dylann Roof standing in front of them with no steroid-pumped policemen in blue to protect their liberal candy asses from the consequences of years of their own behavior…They will see in that young white man’s eyes, that he recognizes them. That he is now beyond deception or bullying or browbeating or Twitter-shaming or intimidation, that he knows them for what they are. And they will look down and see that he has something in his hand.”

Welcome to the face of white supremacy: porcine, greasy and cowardly.

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491 comments

1 jonhendry  Jun 29, 2015 3:21:00pm

All these self-proclaimed “master race” types are such twerps and doofuses. Not a single Dolph Lundgren type. (And note, Lundgren has an MS in chemical engineering and won a Fulbright scholarship to MIT.)

2 HappyWarrior  Jun 29, 2015 8:05:27pm

Totally a leftist.//

3 jaunte  Jun 29, 2015 8:11:03pm

re: #1 jonhendry

All these self-proclaimed “master race” types are such twerps and doofuses

4 HappyWarrior  Jun 29, 2015 8:12:19pm

re: #3 jaunte

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Mr. Covington, you are the father.

5 Aunty Entity Dragon  Jun 29, 2015 8:13:49pm

wow! Thanks for promotion, Charles! :)

6 Aunty Entity Dragon  Jun 29, 2015 8:15:34pm

re: #4 HappyWarrior

Mr. Covington, you are the father.

His actual children are in Ireland I believe, and they refuse to have contact with their father. They saw his writings on the net and figured out he is a lunatic. His estranged brother gos to see them at least once a year.

7 HappyWarrior  Jun 29, 2015 8:16:22pm

re: #6 Aunty Entity Dragon

His actual children are in Ireland I believe, and they refuse to have contact with their father. They saw his writings on the net and figured out he is a lunatic. His estranged brother gos to see them at least once a year.

Maury joke but I am seriously glad that his children want nothing to do with him.

8 Dark_Falcon  Jun 29, 2015 8:23:03pm

re: #2 HappyWarrior

Totally a leftist.//

Certainly. It says it right in the name “National Social German Workers Party”. Must be left wing, the book says so.

9 HappyWarrior  Jun 29, 2015 8:23:44pm

re: #8 Dark_Falcon

Certainly. It says it right in the name “National Social German Workers Party”. Must be left wing, the book says so.

He really needs to be smacked for pushing that insidious lie.

10 Aunty Entity Dragon  Jun 29, 2015 8:24:02pm

re: #7 HappyWarrior

Maury joke but I am seriously glad that his children want nothing to do with him.

Oh, I figured that…but seriously, I do wonder how he conned some gal in Ireland to marry him…even if only for a couple of years. It seems he abandoned her with the kids on the Isle of Man around 1988 after cleaning out the bank account and running up the credit cards.

splcenter.org

The champion of the white family! Leave your wife and kids broke, run away to another continent and then blame your dad for not paying your bills!

11 HappyWarrior  Jun 29, 2015 8:25:13pm

re: #10 Aunty Entity Dragon

Oh, I figured that…but seriously, I do wonder how he conned some gal in Ireland to marry him…even if only for a couple of years. It seems he abandoned her with the kids on the Isle of Man around 1988 after cleaning out the bank account and running up the credit cards.

splcenter.org

The champion of the white family! Leave your wife and kids broke, run away to another continent and then blame your dad for not paying your bills!

gotcha. Yeah it’s another example of the hypocrisy of white supremacy.

12 Aunty Entity Dragon  Jun 29, 2015 8:31:15pm

I gotta hit the sack, but I will leave this last tidbit from the SPLC interview with Ben Covington (Harold’s brother) that I linked above.

What’s your brother up to now?
His latest thing has been these Northwest trilogy novels. Those bother me because that’s The Turner Diaries all over again. [Editor’s note: The Turner Diaries is a racist novel, written by a neo-Nazi leader, that has been credited with inspiring violence including the 1995 Oklahoma City bombing.] When Harold was involved in the North Carolina Klan, it was some other poor, dumb bastard who was willing to go out there and do the dirty work. Because the bottom line here is that my brother is a coward. He has always been a coward and he will die a coward. The thing that bothers me about these Northwest trilogy books is that he is going to pick up some poor, deluded kid who is going to read these marvelous tomes about how white people can fight back, about how “we’re going to kill all the n******s and the Jews and the mestizos,” about how “we’re going to form this great Aryan republic in the Pacific Northwest,” Microsoft and Starbucks notwithstanding. And this poor dumb kid is going to go out and ruin somebody’s life. And that scares me to death.

13 HappyWarrior  Jun 29, 2015 8:32:42pm

re: #12 Aunty Entity Dragon

I gotta hit the sack, but I will leave this last tidbit from the SPLC interview with Ben Covington (Harold’s brother) that I linked above.

Sigh prophetic. Say that this stuff is still influencing people.

14 goddamnedfrank  Jun 29, 2015 8:33:45pm

Carrying over from last thread. Y’all who suspected that Juliana Carpentier doesn’t really exist were probably right. Her ebook webpage whois lists the registrant as one Daniel St. Pierre of St. Petersburg Florida.

His Christian Photography page.

Ripoff Report.

Marketing business.

Here’s a nice little exchange between Daniel and his e sock puppet.

15 Shiplord Kirel  Jun 29, 2015 8:34:47pm

re: #1 jonhendry

All these self-proclaimed “master race” types are such twerps and doofuses. Not a single Dolph Lundgren type. (And note, Lundgren has an MS in chemical engineering and won a Fulbright scholarship to MIT.)

It’s striking what poor specimens of Aryan supremacy these latter day wannabes really are. Compare this yokel to, say, the Butcher of Bohemia, Reinhard Heydrich. Now there was a scary ass looking Nazi, and he lived up to the image and then some. That didn’t keep Czech patriots from smoking his ass though.

16 HappyWarrior  Jun 29, 2015 8:36:11pm

re: #15 Shiplord Kirel

It’s striking what poor specimens of Aryan supremacy these latter day wannabes really are. Compare this yokel to, say, the Butcher of Bohemia, Reinhard Heydrich. Now there was a scary ass looking Nazi, and he lived up to the image and then some. That didn’t keep Czech patriots from smoking his ass though.

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An awesome story. It needs to be made into a film.

17 Dark_Falcon  Jun 29, 2015 8:39:20pm

re: #16 HappyWarrior

An awesome story. It needs to be made into a film.

It has been so depicted, and will be depicted again.

18 HappyWarrior  Jun 29, 2015 8:41:04pm

re: #17 Dark_Falcon

It has been so depicted, and will be depicted again.

Awesome, I love movies like this. Has there ever been a movie made of the Mossad raid that got Eichmann? That too is an amazing story.

19 teleskiguy  Jun 29, 2015 8:44:33pm

It is quite a sight at my twenty.

20 Charles Johnson  Jun 29, 2015 8:49:03pm

Eggs McRando strikes again.

21 jaunte  Jun 29, 2015 8:51:46pm

re: #20 Charles Johnson

“who is a blogger”

Well I never.

22 allegro  Jun 29, 2015 8:52:19pm

re: #20 Charles Johnson

Eggs McRando strikes again.

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He seems nice.

23 teleskiguy  Jun 29, 2015 8:54:14pm

39.5° C at Revelstoke, British Columbia (130 miles north of the U.S./Canadian border) yesterday.

24 Amory Blaine  Jun 29, 2015 8:54:30pm

re: #19 teleskiguy

Nice, you can see the Galilean moons in that photo.

25 teleskiguy  Jun 29, 2015 8:55:33pm

re: #24 Amory Blaine

Nice, you can see the Galilean moons in that photo.

Indeed you can! I didn’t notice until you pointed it out. Thanks! How neat!

26 Shiplord Kirel  Jun 29, 2015 8:56:05pm

re: #18 HappyWarrior

Awesome, I love movies like this. Has there ever been a movie made of the Mossad raid that got Eichmann? That too is an amazing story.

The House on Garibaldi Street

27 The War TARDIS  Jun 29, 2015 8:58:26pm

From the last thread, something else that galls me is the lack of awareness. From work two examples.

First is an lady at work. Nice, but still on the enemy side. She does not have background the other friend did, so I won’t give her a chance. She hates the new Healthcare law,because she doesn’t want insurance, and doesn’t want the penalty either. She wants to move to Ireland, Switzerland, or to where her illegal immigrant husband is from, El Salvador. A country she fighting against him being deported to. Al because she alleges insurance is more expensive than the penalty, and she doesn’t need it because she is healthy.

First, lack of awareness that the European nations are more socialist than we are. Second, she also is casually racistn as I have heard her talking about African Americans and how they commit crime. Nevermind the situation you have in these communities. Along with the lack of logic that while you may not need insurance now, you will need it later.

28 CuriousLurker  Jun 29, 2015 9:00:20pm

What a stupid headline.

How is it even remotely relevant that he used to be a breakdancer?

From Saturday, the part about the attack that won’t get 1/1000 of the attention the shooter is getting (emphasis mine):

But there was lots of praise from tourists for employees of their respective hotels who may soon be out of work if Tunisia’s prime industry, tourism, is gutted by the attack.

Employees at nearby hotels or those with outlets on the beach joined in the rescue operation, running to the massacre site to lend a hand.

“You hear the gunfire. You can’t count the number of times,” said Haytham, a lifeguard at the nearby Royal Kenz Hotel. He and others cleared the beach and moved some wounded into ambulances. Visibly shaken, he and a group of tourists laid a bouquet at the doomed beach.

Faycal Mhoub, who from his post at the beach offers camel rides, rushed from his circuit when he heard the news, putting tourists in the family home, then went to help moved the wounded. […]

bigstory.ap.org

29 William Lewis  Jun 29, 2015 9:03:00pm

re: #16 HappyWarrior

An awesome story. It needs to be made into a film.

Actually it’s a very depressing story. Remember what the Germans did in return…

en.wikipedia.org

The British were so horrified by the results of the German retaliation that they swore off assassination.

He was evil enough that killing him probably still saved many lives in the end but it came at an enormous cost.

30 The War TARDIS  Jun 29, 2015 9:04:48pm

re: #28 CuriousLurker

Maybe this will alert everyone to the MB in Libya. Their mis-management of areas they occupied, along with support for nutcases in Eastern Libya (Who, are now being pushed back) led to this mess.

Tripolitania needs to be invaded. Topple the MB government, and execute the traitors who conspired to have their little MB coup. Then, ISIS can be removed from Sirte.

31 goddamnedfrank  Jun 29, 2015 9:08:31pm

This is pretty funny, Daniel St. Pierre and his wife Elizabeth return to their old church after a long absence and it was traumatic. Everything was going great, but there was one early sign of trouble with one of the female church leaders, “Unfortunately her black bra strap was showing.” It goes downhill from there.

Then they were able to pick up their own daughter from the Sunday School / daycare and the youth ministry leader wasn’t watching the front door because she was engaged with the children. Which enraged them because somebody could have just walked off with their daughter but that didn’t happen but GOSHDARNIT THAT’S NOT THE POINT IT COULD HAVE! The entire tone is cluck cluck cluckity cluck.

Also, I’m like 95% certain that the pic of “Juliana Carpentier” on that twitter .avi is really just his wife Elizabeth after a trip to the stylist.

What’s interesting about these two is that they can throw out such pious self righteousness while spamming the n-word so viciously on “Juliana’s” twitter account.

32 Dark_Falcon  Jun 29, 2015 9:10:45pm

re: #28 CuriousLurker

What a stupid headline.

How is it even remotely relevant that he used to be a breakdancer?

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From Saturday, the part about the attack that won’t get 1/1000 of the attention the shooter is getting (emphasis mine):

It’s something the media does sometimes, talk about how normal the mass murderer seemed to be before he went on his rampage. I really do not understand what need it serves.

33 Amory Blaine  Jun 29, 2015 9:16:40pm

re: #29 William Lewis

Hey William, I saw you put in a humbucker in your tele. Question: Did you have to rout it out to fit in there?

34 William Lewis  Jun 29, 2015 9:17:29pm

re: #32 Dark_Falcon

It’s something the media does sometimes, talk about how normal the mass murderer seemed to be before he went on his rampage. I really do not understand what need it serves.

In this case, I’d argue it was a propaganda purpose. They are claiming, essentially, that pre-ISIL he was a normal &, indeed, westernized young man who would have easily fit into “civilization”. After his radicalization he was just a tool of the evil ones. Like most successful propaganda there is a tiny kernel of truth being exploited here but the reality of how and why he became radicalized is not touched upon because it doesn’t fit the spin so neatly.

I expect that this particular storyline will be picked up before long by Fox and the rest of the right wing media machine even though it originated from a wing of the Times; it fits their talking points too perfectly.

35 Romantic Heretic  Jun 29, 2015 9:18:36pm

re: #15 Shiplord Kirel

It’s striking what poor specimens of Aryan supremacy these latter day wannabes really are. Compare this yokel to, say, the Butcher of Bohemia, Reinhard Heydrich. Now there was a scary ass looking Nazi, and he lived up to the image and then some. That didn’t keep Czech patriots from smoking his ass though.

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And then those Nazi scumbags wiped the village of Lidice off the map in revenge.

Grrrrrrr. Mr. Covington, you might find this pussy liberal is willing to fight for what he believes in.

36 William Lewis  Jun 29, 2015 9:19:44pm

re: #33 Amory Blaine

Hey William, I saw you put in a humbucker in your tele. Question: Did you have to rout it out to fit in there?

No, the one I bought was designed for the Jazzmaster routing that was already there. A company called Rose Pickups - hand wound for only $47! Excellent sound, especially once I got the right wires to the switch and ground so that both pickups are in phase.

37 Dark_Falcon  Jun 29, 2015 9:21:46pm

re: #34 William Lewis

In this case, I’d argue it was a propaganda purpose. They are claiming, essentially, that pre-ISIL he was a normal &, indeed, westernized young man who would have easily fit into “civilization”. After his radicalization he was just a tool of the evil ones. Like most successful propaganda there is a tiny kernel of truth being exploited here but the reality of how and why he became radicalized is not touched upon because it doesn’t fit the spin so neatly.

I expect that this particular storyline will be picked up before long by Fox and the rest of the right wing media machine even though it originated from a wing of the Times; it fits their talking points too perfectly.

What’s the spin, as you see it?

38 William Lewis  Jun 29, 2015 9:23:18pm

re: #37 Dark_Falcon

What’s the spin, as you see it?

Classic anti-islam. That he was a “normal” boy until they got their hands on him.

39 JadeHelmCurious  Jun 29, 2015 9:23:53pm

You talking point pukers!

40 The War TARDIS  Jun 29, 2015 9:24:08pm

There is a second person at work who has proved my point too.

He tends to be the more normal average american guy. Thinks Call of Duty are the best video games, as they sell the most (Did not like it when I pointed out that Nickleback is the 2nd best selling Rock Group of all time).

He then, when I asked about Trump, said that he was right, and he shouldn’t be fired. Asked him about what, he said the immigrant thing. Pointed out that most immigrants behaved well. Then he shifted to how he never apologizes, and never backs down. Responded that admitting your mistakes that you made and apologizing far more brave than false bravado.

At which point he then deflected, saying Obama is a divider. Asked him how, pointing out what people said about him wanting to fail. Became vague at that point. At which point I said there are things the US has been running away from that need to be handled, now. And which point he then said he wasn’t serious about politics.

I notice a pattern that a number of White Millennials tend to be ignorant as to how things are different for other people, whether it be with disabilities, or those who are minorities. They tend to have a really white-washed view of things too, and don’t like when reality says hi.

I was wrong for getting into politics at work, so I will report myself.

I will say though, behavior like this, and from people on FB has caused two things. I Only identify as American and Muslim now. Not white. And two, the Tumblr people who constantly say “check your privilege?” I used to find them annoying. Now? I completely understand them. I was born white, which has given me certain advantages, and I am less likely to be judged negatively at first, and that my parents had more wealth, which gave me a huge advantage money-wise. The Autism, however, has shown me how people are quite literally willing to sweep you under a rug to keep up appearances (Hi Middle School), and identifying as Muslim has certainly given me an idea to how bigoted other people are.

re: #32 Dark_Falcon

I do! It makes people paranoid, and will hopefully get more people watching to feel safe.

At least, that is what I go with.

41 goddamnedfrank  Jun 29, 2015 9:27:44pm

re: #37 Dark_Falcon

What’s the spin, as you see it?

That Bush’s ham fisted, totally inept and retarded prosecution of the War on Terror, especially the invasion of Iraq and destabilization of the entire region, created a perfect incubator for radicalizing young muslim men.

And it’s not spin, it’s the truth.

42 Dark_Falcon  Jun 29, 2015 9:36:56pm

re: #41 goddamnedfrank

That Bush’s ham fisted, totally inept and retarded prosecution of the War on Terror, especially the invasion of Iraq and destabilization of the entire region, created a perfect incubator for radicalizing young muslim men.

And it’s not spin, it’s the truth.

George W. Bush did not destabilize Libya, Libyans (starting with Gaddafi) did that. And don’t forget that it was Obama, not Bush, who supported the revolt that ended Gaddafi’s vile reign.

And while I’m at it: Will you please stop lobbing Grenades like that? You go after PLL for grenade-tossing what he sometimes says about Mormons, but yet when it comes to the Middle East you frequently open with posts that seem intended to antagonize and make right-of-center people defensive.

43 Dark_Falcon  Jun 29, 2015 9:43:00pm

re: #38 William Lewis

Classic anti-islam. That he was a “normal” boy until they got their hands on him.

I can see how that point would be constructed, though it falls apart under the weight of the facts. But as a FNC construct, it would used by those who don’t really care about the facts and by a network that doesn’t want to talk about how radicalization actually happens (because if it did, Fox News would have to answer for its own role in radicalization).

44 Amory Blaine  Jun 29, 2015 9:43:33pm

re: #36 William Lewis

Oh no, Rose Pickups has a notice on the front page that he can’t wind pickups anymore because of health problems.

45 The War TARDIS  Jun 29, 2015 9:45:16pm

re: #42 Dark_Falcon

He didn’t destabilize Libya, but he destabilized the Mashriq region by toppling Saddam. Granted, Iraq was always going to collapse, but he did hasten it un-necessarily, but this was compounded by blunders such as an overly strict De-Baathification that left many Sunnis without jobs, and a continued support of al-Maliki, and his persecution of Sunnis.

This also distracted from Afghanistan, a war that could have been winnable. Afghanistan has existed as a distinct entity since before the Colonial era, unlike Pakistan or Iraq. Granted, Bush failed there too. He set up a by-the-book Unitary Republic, with relatively weak provinces. Considering the parallels historically between Switzerland and Afghanistan, it should have been set up as a Federal Directorial Republic, with multiple Presidents and strong provinces. That is the best way the multi-ethnic, multi-lingual nation of Afghanistan should work.

46 darthstar  Jun 29, 2015 9:48:58pm

Why don’t those KKK rallies look more diverse?
/

47 William Lewis  Jun 29, 2015 9:50:51pm

re: #44 Amory Blaine

Oh no, Rose Pickups has a notice on the front page that he can’t wind pickups anymore because of health problems.

Holy Cow! I just got mine on the 25th and have been so really happy. I hope he’s able to get back to winding. Guess I got lucky I splurged the money that was supposed to pay a bill I shoved off for a month… O_o

48 Amory Blaine  Jun 29, 2015 9:51:15pm

re: #40 The War TARDIS

49 Dark_Falcon  Jun 29, 2015 9:52:35pm

re: #45 The War TARDIS

He didn’t destabilize Libya, but he destabilized the Mashriq region by toppling Saddam. Granted, Iraq was always going to collapse, but he did hasten it un-necessarily, but this was compounded by blunders such as an overly strict De-Baathification that left many Sunnis without jobs, and a continued support of al-Maliki, and his persecution of Sunnis.

This also distracted from Afghanistan, a war that could have been winnable. Afghanistan has existed as a distinct entity since before the Colonial era, unlike Pakistan or Iraq. Granted, Bush failed there too. He set up a by-the-book Unitary Republic, with relatively weak provinces. Considering the parallels historically between Switzerland and Afghanistan, it should have been set up as a Federal Directorial Republic, with multiple Presidents and strong provinces. That is the best way the multi-ethnic, multi-lingual nation of Afghanistan should work.

The removal of the Hussein dynasty in Iraq was always going to be ugly, though I agree the Bush administration made some greivious mistakes (the bad way De-Baathification was carried out indeed being one of them).

50 The War TARDIS  Jun 29, 2015 9:55:15pm

re: #48 Amory Blaine

///definitely sarcastic

51 bratwurst  Jun 29, 2015 9:56:05pm

re: #40 The War TARDIS

(Did not like it when I pointed out that Nickleback is the 2nd best selling Rock Group of all time).

Link?

52 teleskiguy  Jun 29, 2015 9:56:09pm

What am I thinking??? You lizards will be the first I tell the moment I regret sending those tweets out, which I suspect may be soon.

Rabbit Hole. Why, teleskiguy, Why?!?

53 William Lewis  Jun 29, 2015 9:56:51pm

re: #49 Dark_Falcon

The removal of the Hussein dynasty in Iraq was always going to be ugly, though I agree the Bush administration made some greivious mistakes (the bad way De-Baathification was carried out indeed being one of them).

The destruction of the Iraqi army by simply firing everyone so they were left without work or income was criminal. That single act did more to create the insurgency than any other.

54 bratwurst  Jun 29, 2015 9:59:39pm

re: #51 bratwurst

Link?

Their Wikipedia says Nickelback is the ELEVENTH biggest selling musical artist in the US in the 2000s. That is a FAR CRY from “2nd best selling Rock Group of all time”. Please stop exaggerating. Thank you in advance.

55 Amory Blaine  Jun 29, 2015 9:59:49pm

re: #49 Dark_Falcon

Bush’s point man

56 Dark_Falcon  Jun 29, 2015 10:03:32pm

re: #55 Amory Blaine

Bush’s point man

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L. Paul Bremer, one of the biggest fuck-ups in the messed up history of American engagement in the Middle East.

57 Amory Blaine  Jun 29, 2015 10:03:52pm

It made me sick at the time when Paul Bremer basically fired every civil service worker and left volunteers to guard historic treasures.

58 The War TARDIS  Jun 29, 2015 10:04:36pm
59 The War TARDIS  Jun 29, 2015 10:05:30pm

re: #54 bratwurst

I had misread 2 things.

I did make my point though.

Just because something is popular, does not make it good.

60 goddamnedfrank  Jun 29, 2015 10:07:56pm

re: #42 Dark_Falcon

George W. Bush did not destabilize Libya, Libyans (starting with Gaddafi) did that. And don’t forget that it was Obama, not Bush, who supported the revolt that ended Gaddafi’s vile reign.

And while I’m at it: Will you please stop lobbing Grenades like that? You go after PLL for grenade-tossing what he sometimes says about Mormons, but yet when it comes to the Middle East you frequently open with posts that seem intended to antagonize and make right-of-center people defensive.

Bush pretty much destabilized the entire Muslim world. This might still come as a surprised to you, but you can’t just invade a sovereign nation on a pretext, directly and indirectly cause the deaths of hundreds of thousands of human beings without enraging their friends, family and fellow religious adherents spread across the globe. It’s grotesquely intellectually dishonest to simply point to countries in North Africa and assert that they’re geographically too far away for Bush’s totally inept prosecution of the Iraq war to have played any role in the terrorist insurgencies that plague them today. His pointless invasion is the direct inspiration for many of those groups, the reason they refuse to allow their countries to open up and re-allign with the Western democracies.

61 bratwurst  Jun 29, 2015 10:08:29pm

re: #58 The War TARDIS

Got it slightly wrong.

re: #59 The War TARDIS

I had misread 2 things.

I did make my point though.

Just because something is popular, does not make it good.

We have different definitions of “slightly”, but no argument whatsoever on your point. Just find a factual way to make it.

62 The War TARDIS  Jun 29, 2015 10:11:05pm

re: #61 bratwurst

I conflated those two facts together at some point. Sorry about that.

63 goddamnedfrank  Jun 29, 2015 10:11:36pm

re: #60 goddamnedfrank

Honestly, the fact that even needs to be explained here in mid 2015 is deeply troubling and irritating as all hell.

64 Dark_Falcon  Jun 29, 2015 10:12:45pm

I’ve got to get up early, so I’m going to leave for the night. Sleep Well, All.

65 teleskiguy  Jun 29, 2015 10:13:41pm
66 Amory Blaine  Jun 29, 2015 10:14:26pm

re: #60 goddamnedfrank

The problem that Bush and most conservatives created is costing the world trillions and creating more strife for the poorest people in the world.

67 Jenner7  Jun 29, 2015 10:20:45pm
68 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Jun 29, 2015 10:26:23pm

re: #66 Amory Blaine

The problem that Bush and most conservatives created is costing the world trillions and creating more strife for the poorest people in the world.

Yeah, but look how much money it made for the defense industry! Think of the jobs created!
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69 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Jun 29, 2015 10:46:09pm

Oh, I killed the thread.

Oops!

Any mojitos left in the corner?

70 Jenner7  Jun 29, 2015 10:50:03pm

I get to take my bandage off tomorrow and get into a shower. Yeehaw! Oh, baby, how I’ve missed showers.

G’night…

71 Amory Blaine  Jun 29, 2015 10:51:23pm

(I’m imbibing caffeine free diet pepsi with a little Kraken rum)
Damn, that’s something old people say. :/

72 William Lewis  Jun 29, 2015 11:00:51pm

re: #69 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

Oh, I killed the thread.

Oops!

Any mojitos left in the corner?

Nah, but I got a Leinenkugel’s you can have (basic American lager. Not the greatest but far from the worst and made just down the road from me. )

73 Varek Raith  Jun 29, 2015 11:04:24pm

Me - 7
Wasp Nests - 0
TAKE THAT, BASTARDS

74 Amory Blaine  Jun 29, 2015 11:05:10pm

This Dead show,
Grateful Dead Downhill from here Alpine Valley 7/17/1989

meant alot to me as a whippersnapper. I’m so happy darthstar a real fan, was able to go to the concert last night. The show above started me on playing guitar. Sitting in drum circles carved into the asphalt, listening to the guitar players doing all my favorite songs with wooden instruments was truly inspiring. Then the show came!

75 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Jun 29, 2015 11:10:44pm

re: #72 William Lewis

Nah, but I got a Leinenkugel’s you can have (basic American lager. Not the greatest but far from the worst and made just down the road from me. )

That works for me.

76 Amory Blaine  Jun 29, 2015 11:22:41pm

William Leonard Pickard

It is not known where Pickard produced LSD for the very first time. His first arrest for manufacturing LSD came on December 28, 1988 in Mountain View, California. The laboratory was contained inside a trailer that had been moved into a warehouse. It contained state-of-the-art equipment, including a roto-evaporator, heating mantles and a pill press. He was producing kilogram quantities of LSD and putting them onto windowpane, microdot, and blotter forms. He spent time in prison for this and became a Buddhist while inside.

Yeah, this guy.

77 William Lewis  Jun 29, 2015 11:24:08pm

re: #74 Amory Blaine

Talk about different worlds. Husker Du. The Who. The Clash. The occasional SRV. That was my world. Stuff that reached up and slapped your ass silly, not stuff that made you think you’d smoked a few too many blunts.

My ex dragged me to Phish at Alpine Valley once. Longest night of my life.

I can appreciate the Dead on a technical level - some of their shorter “pop” songs (Casey Jones, Touch of Grey, etc) are in my mp3 mix but I could have never gone to a show and made it through the endless noodling.

78 Amory Blaine  Jun 29, 2015 11:26:33pm

re: #77 William Lewis

:p I love all that stuff too brother.

79 Single-handed sailor  Jun 29, 2015 11:29:50pm

re: #76 Amory Blaine

I think that’s 8 years after the last time I did LSD.

80 Amory Blaine  Jun 29, 2015 11:32:03pm

re: #78 Amory Blaine

This here, was what my friends and I had in common.

Crossover thrash

Crossover thrash (often abbreviated to crossover) is a form of thrash metal and hardcore punk which had mixed both genres together or had influences from each other. The genre lies on a continuum between heavy metal and punk rock. Other genres on the same continuum have significant overlap with crossover thrash, and besides traditional hardcore punk and thrash metal, include related styles such as thrashcore, grindcore and skate punk.

Unlike most of the friends I grew up with, I liked travelling between tribes.

81 teleskiguy  Jun 29, 2015 11:37:01pm

re: #76 Amory Blaine

William Leonard Pickard

Yeah, this guy.

I’m 99.901% sure I have ingested Pickard acid, when I was in high school 30 miles away from a (D.TrumpVoice) Yoooge ski area, 17 or so years ago.

I’ve never ate better acid. It hasn’t been the same since. I’ve ingested acid about four times since 2005, the latest “trip” in Las Vegas the weekend of that damned Mayweather fight (I was there for The Umphreys).

Ain’t nothing like that Pickard shit I ate. He got pinched, he’s serving a life sentence. Since then, acid has always been *weak sauce*.

CAUTION: I’m a skiing enthusiast that has thrown “caution” to the wind more times that you can count stars. I don’t endorse drugs or drug taking, but I will tell you about times I took drugs and it fucking changed my life.

LSD. And morphine. I crashed a motorbike when I was 17 and smashed my face and nose something fierce (yes, I wasn’t wearing a helmet, this was 16 years ago). I underwent reconstructive plastic surgery to make my nose look more normal. It worked, thankfully. And post-op, I had morphine injected into my IV. I remember the pain going away immediately and I felt like I was in LaLa Land.

I was 17 the first time I took morphine.

82 Amory Blaine  Jun 29, 2015 11:42:12pm

re: #77 William Lewis

My favorite Phish song. :P

83 William Lewis  Jun 29, 2015 11:45:07pm

re: #81 teleskiguy

I hear you on more levels than I care to remember sometimes. Black Bubblegum (hash laced with opium) was popular when I was stationed in Germany in 83/84. Helped pay the bills of the Afghan mujaheddin O_o

Acid waited till Kansas in 85. I took Jim Morrison’s path after that and stuck to alcohol mostly for the decades since. Bit of weed but not much as it just wasn’t worth the legal risks for me (especially when National Guard guys started getting pinched on federal charges & sitting for 10 at Club Fed for toking. )

84 teleskiguy  Jun 29, 2015 11:46:17pm

re: #77 William Lewis

MINUTEMEN

*I’m an unabashed Umphrey’s McGee fan, seen ‘em 40 times in nine different states, and I love Bad Religion and Type O Negative*

85 William Lewis  Jun 29, 2015 11:48:32pm

re: #84 teleskiguy

Good track.

I just never got into that style with Dead, Phish, etc. As I said, I like shorter works but not the long stuff. Probably just too angry an old punk… ;)

86 Amory Blaine  Jun 29, 2015 11:49:17pm

re: #81 teleskiguy

I appreciate your honesty. I actively discourage opiates (and I know you do too) but I consider an adults decision to experiment with psychedelics acceptable. But these days only for natural ones like mushrooms.

LSD, “magic mushrooms,” and other psychedelics not linked to mental health woes

87 teleskiguy  Jun 29, 2015 11:50:37pm

For wlewisiii.

88 William Lewis  Jun 29, 2015 11:53:32pm

And in return, here’s a little bit of a mostly unknown band that I loved even when they did a bit of noodling…

Pity I can’t find a recording of their insane version of Freebird… LOL!

89 goddamnedfrank  Jun 29, 2015 11:54:09pm

Man, I’m a serious lightweight. Only ever did weed.

90 goddamnedfrank  Jun 29, 2015 11:56:19pm

re: #89 goddamnedfrank

Man, I’m a serious lightweight. Only ever did weed.

Had the opportunity to do ‘shrooms once, but the guy in our group who went first got lost in a bathroom mirror for like two hours and I was like fuck that I’ll stick to weed.

91 Amory Blaine  Jun 29, 2015 11:56:46pm

re: #89 goddamnedfrank

Man, I’m a serious lightweight. Only ever did weed.

Ha! I’d never consider you a lightweight frank.

92 teleskiguy  Jun 30, 2015 12:01:41am

re: #86 Amory Blaine

I appreciate your honesty. I actively discourage opiates (and I know you do too) but I consider an adults decision to experiment with psychedelics acceptable.

In 2002 I dropped out of college and moved to Steamboat Springs with some skiing buddies (all of whom I still consider close friends, one of whom is a sponsored GoPro athlete). I was 20. I saw too much drug use for one person to witness in one summer’s time, and my education about all drugs, especially opiates, got more grim as the years ticked by. The man that hired me at my first job in Steamboat, he died of opiate overdose, his dogs bit his face off and chewed his fingers and toes off before the police arrived, about a week later.

I ate some mushrooms with a friend on a powder day. That was fun! That friend I speak of died last September of opiate overdose.

Yeah. You judged me correctly.

93 teleskiguy  Jun 30, 2015 12:07:01am

re: #92 teleskiguy

I can list five more people, off the top of my head, that have died of opiate overdose.

94 Amory Blaine  Jun 30, 2015 12:08:54am

re: #93 teleskiguy

All too common. It’s in my family too.

95 William Lewis  Jun 30, 2015 12:10:04am

re: #90 goddamnedfrank

Had the opportunity to do ‘shrooms once, but the guy in our group who went first got lost in a bathroom mirror for like two hours and I was like fuck that I’ll stick to weed.

Had them once, in an omlet, on a small island off the coast of Thailand (Ko Samui). Much more enjoyable than Acid IME. Still was a bit wierd to watch the walls of my room “breathing” that afternoon ;D

96 goddamnedfrank  Jun 30, 2015 12:10:07am

I mean, sure it doesn’t sound like a crisis but when it’s the only bathroom available and time starts to drag on and you can’t get the entranced giggling idiot away from the damned mirror so people can shit or whatever in peace and quiet, well, nerves will begin to fray.

97 William Lewis  Jun 30, 2015 12:11:08am

re: #94 Amory Blaine

All too common. It’s in my family too.

All drunkards in mine. Bad enough. Killed my grandmother & two uncles (one on each side). I think about her, especially, when I’m my cups.

98 teleskiguy  Jun 30, 2015 12:21:30am

I’mma try and annoy wlewisiii. Hey man, listen to this, an audince-sourced taping of a “reggae” cover. Can you make it through all 16 minutes?!? The further you listen to the song the better it gets, and this shit t’is but a tiny snapshot of what Umphrey’s McGee does.

Or whatever.

MP3 Audio

99 goddamnedfrank  Jun 30, 2015 12:30:15am
100 Single-handed sailor  Jun 30, 2015 12:49:46am

re: #99 goddamnedfrank

Upding, even though it’s probably shooped.

101 Single-handed sailor  Jun 30, 2015 12:51:56am

Sweet, we dropped Uverse TV and increased our Internet speed to 23 Mbps. It took effect at midnight.

102 Amory Blaine  Jun 30, 2015 12:52:53am

re: #97 William Lewis

Drinking runs deep in Wisconsin. I grew up in Milwaukee and there was a bar (or 4) on every corner. On the street I mainly lived, there was a bar in the middle of the block too. Up north, it’s 4 or 5 bars “downtown” in every hamlet. The number of bars in the city have dropped dramatically through permits over the years yet still celebrated among the city elites.
Why So Many Bars?
A new book captures the unique social history behind Wisconsin’s tavern culture

In their book, Draeger and Speltz were drawn to the theme of how breweries have thrived in Wisconsin and how they have directly influenced taverns. In the Milwaukee area, they chose to focus on Miller Brewing Co. and Pabst Brewing Co.

Draeger says that at one point, it was estimated that 85 percent of Milwaukee taverns were owned by breweries. Around 1880, the “tied-house phenomenon” began this trend of ownership. The nation’s mega-breweries were becoming fiercely competitive and it became difficult to stabilize the price of a barrel of beer. The breweries came to discover that instead of competing to sell their beer at a given tavern, they should buy and build their own taverns. Tied-houses were forced to pay their brewery’s prices and sell their brand exclusively. They were economically “tied” to the breweries. Schlitz alone owned 700 tied-houses. Many of these establishments were ornately and extravagantly designed “showcase taverns” made to establish prestige for their particular brand of beer. Breweries were so determined to eliminate competition, they were known to buy all four corner buildings on choice street intersections, according to Draeger.

Tied-houses became illegal per federal anti-trust laws after Prohibition. Ex-tied-houses are still found all over Milwaukee: Three Brothers at 2414 S Street Clair St. and Calderone Club at 842 N Old World 3rd St. are among them.

103 teleskiguy  Jun 30, 2015 12:54:48am

@drspacejunk follows me on Twitter.

104 William Lewis  Jun 30, 2015 12:57:20am

re: #98 teleskiguy

I know I can’t tonight. Too damn drunk and tired.

So I’ll listen to it tomorrow instead, in it’s entirety.

105 teleskiguy  Jun 30, 2015 12:59:06am

re: #104 William Lewis

I know I can’t tonight. Too damn drunk and tired.

So I’ll listen to it tomorrow instead, in it’s entirety.

*SUCCESS*

106 Amory Blaine  Jun 30, 2015 1:03:20am

107 William Lewis  Jun 30, 2015 1:09:52am

re: #106 Amory Blaine

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Actually pretty good tune by an underrated band. Lets see, first let me offer this as a cover tune that I was about to put up anyway

But also this as inspired by your offering…

108 Amory Blaine  Jun 30, 2015 1:14:10am

re: #107 William Lewis

Remember these guys ?

Youtube Video

109 Amory Blaine  Jun 30, 2015 1:23:24am

re: #107 William Lewis
Good times.

110 William Lewis  Jun 30, 2015 1:25:13am

re: #108 Amory Blaine

Remember these guys ?

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Video

Interesting. No, I don’t remember them at all. I wonder if they ever played up here. Thanks for something to look into.

111 William Lewis  Jun 30, 2015 1:26:25am

re: #109 Amory Blaine

Good times.

Embedded Image

I always loved that BOC enjoyed the joke and played along with it.

112 Amory Blaine  Jun 30, 2015 1:28:32am

re: #110 William Lewis

Milwaukee boys.

113 William Lewis  Jun 30, 2015 1:33:10am

Well, going to have to crash, beer & the hour are catching up with me. One last gift - from the Carnegie Hall concert in 1938, here’s 12 minutes of “Sing, Sing, Sing”:

The piano solo is one of the top 5 greatest moments in all of Jazz history.

114 Amory Blaine  Jun 30, 2015 1:34:47am

Fuck it man. I’m posting another Frazetta.

115 goddamnedfrank  Jun 30, 2015 1:52:23am

re: #100 Single-handed sailor

Upding, even though it’s probably shooped.

It’s real. But it happened back in March.

117 Amory Blaine  Jun 30, 2015 2:21:40am

Milwaukee County bus drivers vote to strike

Right now Summerfest is going on. I don’t think the regular goer is sophisticated enough to give 2 shits about it, but definitely privileged enough to whine about the bus drivers and their mooching ways!! Fuck you. From the bottom of my heart.

118 KiTA  Jun 30, 2015 2:40:02am

So UI is on hold until they give me an interview on the 10th. Last check looks like it’ll be a full one, I might have a half week one after that, but I have no idea if they’ll disable direct deposit or not. I’ll be 2 states away on Thursday so I can’t make it down there to pick one up if they do.

Apparently Nevada Law doesn’t require they pay out earned time off upon termination. I have 135 hours of paid time off (sick leave / vacation time combined) stored up because I never took time for myself, I might just be out the $1000 or so that should add up to.

I’m still in the post-termination daze, so it really hasn’t hit me yet. I can already tell I’m going to be a wreck come this time next week.

119 Amory Blaine  Jun 30, 2015 2:44:18am

120 Amory Blaine  Jun 30, 2015 2:50:40am

re: #118 KiTA

Good luck, you deserve it.

121 goddamnedfrank  Jun 30, 2015 2:52:56am

re: #118 KiTA

So UI is on hold until they give me an interview on the 10th. Last check looks like it’ll be a full one, I might have a half week one after that, but I have no idea if they’ll disable direct deposit or not. I’ll be 2 states away on Thursday so I can’t make it down there to pick one up if they do.

Apparently Nevada Law doesn’t require they pay out earned time off upon termination. I have 135 hours of paid time off (sick leave / vacation time combined) stored up because I never took time for myself, I might just be out the $1000 or so that should add up to.

I’m still in the post-termination daze, so it really hasn’t hit me yet. I can already tell I’m going to be a wreck come this time next week.

The fact that your employer didn’t just give you a check for the accrued time off and at least a couple weeks on top of that reflects very poorly on them. After your UI gets approved and you secure a new position I’d at least leave a scathing review of them on Glassdoor. That’s not right.

122 Amory Blaine  Jun 30, 2015 2:53:38am

justanotherhuman, come back.

123 Amory Blaine  Jun 30, 2015 3:02:08am

A rival (to him only) baited me big time this weekend to fuck me up at work but I didn’t bite. He got stung, on record. He called me tonight at work and apologized. Felt empty to me. I don’t want that shit.

124 Amory Blaine  Jun 30, 2015 3:13:36am

125 Amory Blaine  Jun 30, 2015 3:20:02am

Mmm. Burning white copal in the am rules.

126 KiTA  Jun 30, 2015 3:26:01am

re: #121 goddamnedfrank

It’s only been a few days, I was let go on Saturday. I haven’t made it back down to turn in my uniforms, I don’t know how this all works.

I’ve never imagined I’d need to find out. =/

I did find our PTO policy on an old backup of my Tablet. They DO pay out PTO upon termination.. That’s a HUGE load off my shoulders, that and this upcoming check should keep me going for 3-4 months while I look for work. Slightly less if I get this piece of crap car going so I can get my license.

I might apply for that healthcare clinic IT job in town even though I can’t drive… yet.

127 Amory Blaine  Jun 30, 2015 3:33:02am

128 Amory Blaine  Jun 30, 2015 3:39:25am

129 Bird in the Paw  Jun 30, 2015 4:54:57am
Welcome to the face of white supremacy: porcine, greasy and cowardly.

A bazillion updings for that insightful analysis.

130 Romantic Heretic  Jun 30, 2015 5:09:31am

re: #53 William Lewis

The destruction of the Iraqi army by simply firing everyone so they were left without work or income was criminal. That single act did more to create the insurgency than any other.

I recall they were allowed to take their weapons with them. *rolls eyes*

131 Romantic Heretic  Jun 30, 2015 5:12:13am

re: #67 Jenner7

Weren’t scoping crowds. Was scoping n*****s! Different thing altogether.

132 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Jun 30, 2015 5:32:15am

Was all set to comment on UpChuck’s latest insightful interview when thunderstorms knocked out power for an hour.

Charles mentioned this downstairs. CCJ appeared on public access TV in Fresno to talk about the Supreme Court decisions, the Confederate flag, Twitter and other random stuff.

Totally skippable, since he says nothing he hasn’t said before with @nero and @jason.

Aside from the book publisher shopping Charles mentioned already, here’s a few other tidbits.

Q: Without Twitter, how are you getting your message out?
A. With my website and other means.

Before a commercial break, the host tells people to go to GotNewsDotCom to see what’s happening around the nation.
HAHAHAHAHA!

There hasn’t been anything new there for more than three weeks.

Q: What idea are you pitching to potential investors?
A: To report news like a video game; if someone wants something researched or covered, they’d put out a request and a bounty; whoever gets the news first gets the bounty.

CCJ says he went to DC to pitch this concept to a billionaire. He didn’t mention getting pitched out of Grover Norquist’s little shindig.

He went on again about how DeRay is best buds with Twitter’s CEO and DeRay is censoring Chuck, argle bargle.

Yet another softball interview. Not sure if gotnwes.com will bother parodying this one.

133 Romantic Heretic  Jun 30, 2015 5:32:51am

re: #114 Amory Blaine

One of my favourite sword and sorcery character’s is Karl Edward Wagner’s Kane.

Frazetta did some wonderful covers for the early editions of the Kane works.

134 ObserverArt  Jun 30, 2015 5:34:16am

re: #122 Amory Blaine

justanotherhuman, come back.

I agree! I hope shes checks in from time to time to see she has some supporters.

By the way…good morning.

Damn it is humid around Columbus and I imagine the entire Ohio Valley area. I heard a report about a half hour or so ago visibility at our airport was down to 1/4 mile due to heavy fog.

I’ve never flown and had to land in that condition. I imagine it is like landing in a cloud and then there is the runway and the tires hit.

135 ObserverArt  Jun 30, 2015 5:37:35am

re: #130 Romantic Heretic

I recall they were allowed to take their weapons with them. *rolls eyes*

And I see from a comment above that messing up Iraq had nothing to do with the entire Middle East and North Africa.

136 Dr. Matt  Jun 30, 2015 5:46:37am

2. Everything has gone dark for Ted Cruz.

So many Texas politicians are despairing about the Supreme Court decisions this week, a massive pity party might be in order. Ted Cruz was definitely crying in his beer. At least the poor fella found a sympathetic ear on Sean Hannity’s radio show.

“Today is some of the darkest 24 hours in our nation’s history,” Cruz said without any regard to subject verb agreement. “Yesterday and today were both naked and shameless judicial activism.”

Hannity concurred. “I couldn’t say it more eloquently.” (Unless, of course, he injected grammar into the statement.)

Ted Cruz, professional drama queen.

137 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Jun 30, 2015 5:53:00am

re: #134 ObserverArt

You trust your instruments and your experience. Don’t always trust the view out of the windscreen.

NOTE: I do not have instrument rating. Take my advice with a grain of salt. Do not attempt a landing on your own without proper training and adult supervision.

138 ObserverArt  Jun 30, 2015 5:58:55am

re: #136 Dr. Matt

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Ted Cruz, professional drama queen.

I heard he was going to be on Morning Joke today. I can just imagine Joke softballing his act.

I think later today I’ll check YouTube to see if there is video. I might need a good laugh.

Heh. Just heard this is the 19th straight day with rain here in Columbus. Yuck. Now I know why I see little thin mushrooms popping out of mulch.

139 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Jun 30, 2015 6:02:06am
they will look up, possibly from the laptop, where they are typing up their day’s quota of leftwing, liberal horseshit, and they will see a young white man like Dylann Roof standing in front of them with no steroid-pumped policemen in blue to protect their liberal candy asses from the consequences

OK, I guess I’m a little confused. This guy flies a Nazi flag, is racist, and hates liberals, among other minorities. But I thought the Nazis were liberals. That’s what Jonah Goldberg, and many other wingnuts, tell me.

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140 lawhawk  Jun 30, 2015 6:02:52am
141 Higgs Boson's Mate  Jun 30, 2015 6:11:19am

From Deutsche Welle, live updates on Greek finanacial crisis:

All updates in Universal Coordinated Time (UTC)

11:45 German Chancellor Angela Merkel tells reporters in Berlin that she sees no chance for a last-minute deal with Greece before the end of this Tuesday. Merkel says “the program will expire at midnight Central European Time” and that she has seen no indications of a breakthrough with Greece.

11:17 Finance Minister Yanis Varoufakis confirms that Greece will not make its payment due by the end of Tuesday to the International Monetary Fund. When asked while walking into the Finance Ministry whether Greece would pay the 1.6 billion euros due to the IMF, Varoufakis replies “no.”

10:43 European stock markets trim losses amid speculation of a possible last-minute deal pull Greece back from the brink of default.

09:37 The Greek daily paper “Kathimerini” reports that Prime Minister Tsipras is considering the offer from the European Commission.

142 lawhawk  Jun 30, 2015 6:12:47am

re: #136 Dr. Matt

Some of the darkest 24 hours?

Yeah, it really compares with say 9/11, Antietam, Gettysburg, D-Day, Pearl Harbor, Anzio, OKC bombing, 1993 WTC bombing, War of 1812 (burning of DC), Valley Forge, etc.

You know, events where there were actual lives lost - murdered in the case of terror attacks, or conflicts/wars where the future of the US was in doubt, or our military campaigns overseas were in doubt, etc.

Gay marriage aint part of that same conversation. It’s not the same league, let alone the same universe.

When you’ve got nitwits who think that gay marriage is the worst thing since sliced bread, you know they’ve gone too far (except that the GOP sees this as a means to double down).

Watch the current thinking on gay marriage now go to the officials who have to enter the gay marriage records - whether to officiate civil weddings or file the paperwork. They’ve got GOPers suggesting (wink wink) that they should make a religious freedom argument that their religious views are trampled because the government allows gay marriage.

Let’s break that down for the GOP to understand. You want to talk about a slippery slope. If you let govt workers claim religious freedoms prevent them from acting (or taking certain actions that are in line with their religious beliefs) you will get some peculiar results.

A Jewish clerk at the DOH may prevent opening a seafood restaurant since it’s not kosher (ditto for barbeque and other joints with pork or non-kosher food).

A Muslim clerk may refuse to grant liquor licenses.

A Christian clerk may only grant a marriage license because it is one of the truly biblical marriages:

The amount of meddlesome and truly horrendous outcomes is mind blowing once you assert that religious rights of government workers can trump federal (or state) law.

It’s this same mindset that some Christians used to support and justify slavery, and then segregation, and later racial discrimination including anti-miscegenation laws.

143 Dr. Matt  Jun 30, 2015 6:19:12am

So much for that “lame duck” status

144 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Jun 30, 2015 6:23:55am

Another tidbit from the most recent CCJ interview is his maligning @deray around the 48:30 mark. I won’t transcribe it here, but I gave DeRay a heads up. I think he got the message:

145 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Jun 30, 2015 6:24:18am

re: #136 Dr. Matt

“Today is some of the darkest 24 hours in our nation’s history,” Cruz said

OK, well at least it was only “some” of the darkest 24 hours…..

That reserves a few hours for Pearl Harbor, 9/11, the Lincoln assassination.

/

146 ObserverArt  Jun 30, 2015 6:25:32am

re: #143 Dr. Matt

So much for that “lame duck” status

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Thanks for the link. I have some eye poking to do!

147 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Jun 30, 2015 6:25:32am

re: #144 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

Another tidbit from the most recent CCJ interview is his maligning @deray around the 48:30 mark. I won’t transcribe it here, but I gave DeRay a heads up. I think he got the message:

Somebody’s still giving CCJ interviews?

148 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Jun 30, 2015 6:27:52am

re: #147 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse

Somebody’s still giving CCJ interviews?

Some public access TV host in Fresno. Charles put the Youtube link up downstairs.

149 Dr. Matt  Jun 30, 2015 6:29:43am

re: #146 ObserverArt

Thanks for the link. I have some eye poking to do!

Have fun!

150 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Jun 30, 2015 6:29:58am

re: #136 Dr. Matt

Gohmert argued, “It is a tragic and ominous day for the United States when a decision by five unelected justices of the U.S. Supreme Court blatantly violates the law in order to destroy the foundational building block for society provided by Nature and Nature’s God — that was stated as divine law by Moses and Jesus.”

This is pretty loopy stuff even for Louie.

Love how decisions wingnuts don’t like are prefaced by “five unelected justices….”

151 The Vicious Babushka  Jun 30, 2015 6:30:13am

Is James Woods still finding work in Liberal Communist Hollywood?

152 Higgs Boson's Mate  Jun 30, 2015 6:31:06am

re: #148 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

Some public access TV host in Fresno. Charles put the Youtube link up downstairs.

Public access TV in Fresno. Seems like an odd place from which to upend all media. Must be something Archimedean.

153 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Jun 30, 2015 6:31:37am

re: #151 The Vicious Babushka

Is James Woods still finding work in Liberal Communist Hollywood?

Payroll taxes automatically deducted from paychecks. How does it work?

/

154 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Jun 30, 2015 6:33:12am

re: #148 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

Some public access TV host in Fresno. Charles put the Youtube link up downstairs.

Well I guess this is how The Revolution starts. Get banned from Twitter. Stalk Twitter headquarters. Go on public TV.

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155 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Jun 30, 2015 6:33:51am

re: #151 The Vicious Babushka

Is James Woods still finding work in Liberal Communist Hollywood?

Woods has been hanging around half gov Palin I see.

156 Higgs Boson's Mate  Jun 30, 2015 6:34:00am

re: #150 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse

This is pretty loopy stuff even for Louie.

Love how decisions wingnuts don’t like are prefaced by “five unelected justices….”

And to think that unelected justices were held in such high esteem when they magically imbued lifeless corporations with First Amendment rights.

157 ObserverArt  Jun 30, 2015 6:34:35am

re: #145 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse

OK, well at least it was only “some” of the darkest 24 hours…..

That reserves a few hours for Pearl Harbor, 9/11, the Lincoln assassination.

/

I think he must have just added that modifier. On Friday I thought I heard him say it was the darkest 24 hours in the nation’s history.

Or maybe the fact that he is still able to go to New York and be on Morning Joke and flap his considerable jaw like he actually is relevant made him tone it down a wee tiny bit.

158 Dave In Austin  Jun 30, 2015 6:35:51am

re: #151 The Vicious Babushka

Is James Woods still finding work in Liberal Communist Hollywood?

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Maybe we should ask….

159 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Jun 30, 2015 6:36:03am

re: #156 Higgs Boson’s Mate

And to think that unelected justices were held in such high esteem when they magically imbued lifeless corporations with First Amendment rights.

They weren’t unelected then. They were lawfully appointed faithful American patriots.

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160 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Jun 30, 2015 6:38:01am

re: #152 Higgs Boson’s Mate

Public access TV in Fresno. Seems like an odd place from which to upend all media. Must be something Archimedean.

I wonder if UpChuck knows about this Northwest Club thing by the Nazi guy. They both have legal trouble. Both antagonize everybody. Both unemployed. Sounds like they’d hit it off.

161 Dr. Matt  Jun 30, 2015 6:38:19am

re: #158 Dave In Austin

162 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Jun 30, 2015 6:38:58am

re: #152 Higgs Boson’s Mate

Public access TV in Fresno. Seems like an odd place from which to upend all media. Must be something Archimedean.

CCJ is desperate, as Deray says. He’s been booted out of two GOP events. The only interviews he’s had are with niche writers who are somewhat sympathetic to him. GotNews is dead in the water. No Twitter bugle to blow. Every interview he’s had — I’ve watched 3 now — he repeats the same stuff over and over about DeRay and Twitter. No one challenges him on it, but they also don’t seem to buying his sales pitch.

163 Higgs Boson's Mate  Jun 30, 2015 6:38:59am

re: #159 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse

They weren’t unelected then. They were lawfully appointed faithful American patriots.

///

My bad. The passing years have rendered me incapable of keeping up with the chutes and ladders world of conservative esteem/opprobrium.

164 Dr. Matt  Jun 30, 2015 6:42:40am

re: #162 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

CCJ is desperate, as Deray says. He’s been booted out of two GOP events. The only interviews he’s had are with niche writers who are somewhat sympathetic to him. GotNews is dead in the water. No Twitter bugle to blow. Every interview he’s had — I’ve watched 3 now — he repeats the same stuff over and over about DeRay and Twitter. No one challenges him on it, but they also don’t seem to buying his sales pitch.

He’s going to spend the next several decades reminiscing about the “good ole days” of twitter like an ex-high school QB reminiscing about his days as the star QB but ended up as a fat slob barely making ends meet.

165 withak  Jun 30, 2015 6:44:21am

James Woods is the epitome of “Old Man Yells at Cloud.”

166 Dr. Matt  Jun 30, 2015 6:46:45am

How they hell do these two losers have so many followers!? WTH

@cybergenica @julecarpentier

167 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Jun 30, 2015 6:47:52am

re: #166 Dr. Matt

How they hell do these two losers have so many followers!? WTH

@cybergenica @julecarpentier

Very strange that carpentier one. Lunatic. Barks at clouds. James Woods might like her.

168 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Jun 30, 2015 6:48:30am

re: #164 Dr. Matt

He’s going to spend the next several decades reminiscing about the “good ole days” of twitter like an ex-high school QB reminiscing about his days as the star QB but ended up as a fat slob barely making ends meet.

Nobody cares about Twitter. Nobody goes there anymore. Public access TV is the Revolution.

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169 Dr. Matt  Jun 30, 2015 6:49:42am

re: #167 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse

Very strange that carpentier one. Lunatic. Barks at clouds. James Woods might like her.

I recommend reporting “her” for this thinly veiled death threat:

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

If twitter axed CCJ for “take down”, they should do the same for this account.

170 Higgs Boson's Mate  Jun 30, 2015 6:49:46am

re: #168 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse

Nobody cares about Twitter. Nobody goes there anymore. Public access TV is the Revolution.

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I was told that the revolution wouldn’t be televised.

171 The Vicious Babushka  Jun 30, 2015 6:49:48am
172 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Jun 30, 2015 6:51:14am

re: #170 Higgs Boson’s Mate

I was told that the revolution wouldn’t be televised.

You can see it only if you have a digital broadcast TV antenna and set.

173 The Vicious Babushka  Jun 30, 2015 6:51:36am

Um no. First Amendment does not say everyone is entitled to their own TV show. This was a business decision by a privately-owned corporation.

174 Timothy Watson  Jun 30, 2015 6:51:51am

re: #170 Higgs Boson’s Mate

I was told that the revolution wouldn’t be televised.

It will be but no one will watch it.

175 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Jun 30, 2015 6:52:28am

re: #173 The Vicious Babushka

Um no. First Amendment does not say everyone is entitled to their own TV show. This was a business decision by a privately-owned corporation.

Hurr hurr government censorship gov owns NBC and networks and its political correctness and oppression!!1111

176 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Jun 30, 2015 6:53:23am

re: #173 The Vicious Babushka

Um no. First Amendment does not say everyone is entitled to their own TV show. This was a business decision by a privately-owned corporation.

How have we gotten all the way to 2015 and people still don’t get the First Amendment?

177 Higgs Boson's Mate  Jun 30, 2015 6:53:24am

re: #172 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

You can see it only if you have a digital broadcast TV antenna and set.

Now there’s an idea; he could retake analog TV for American Americans.

178 The Vicious Babushka  Jun 30, 2015 6:53:39am

re: #170 Higgs Boson’s Mate

I was told that the revolution wouldn’t be televised.

It will be Tweeted.

179 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Jun 30, 2015 6:54:21am

re: #177 Higgs Boson’s Mate

Now there’s an idea; he could retake analog TV for American Americans.

Bring back rabbit ears!

180 ObserverArt  Jun 30, 2015 6:57:17am

re: #159 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse

They weren’t unelected then. They were lawfully appointed faithful American patriots.

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This almost makes me want to find a Lone Star flag and salute it.

Almost.

181 Higgs Boson's Mate  Jun 30, 2015 6:59:01am

re: #173 The Vicious Babushka

Um no. First Amendment does not say everyone is entitled to their own TV show. This was a business decision by a privately-owned corporation.

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Did schools stop teaching Civics and/or American History?

182 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Jun 30, 2015 7:01:00am

re: #179 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

Bring back rabbit ears!

Soon everyone will need this to get TrumpTV and ChuckTV — all derp, all the time!

Plus ça change …
183 ObserverArt  Jun 30, 2015 7:02:43am

re: #167 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse

Very strange that carpentier one. Lunatic. Barks at clouds. James Woods might like her.

Did you catch goddamnedfrank’s exposure of all that in #14 above, and in the previous thread?

He does good ‘depantsing’ work around here.

184 Jayleia  Jun 30, 2015 7:02:51am

re: #122 Amory Blaine

Did JAH leave after/because of the trans* issue?

I hope not…even though I got more than a bit angry about it.

185 The Vicious Babushka  Jun 30, 2015 7:03:10am

re: #181 Higgs Boson’s Mate

Did schools stop teaching Civics and/or American History?

HURR HURR COMMON COAR!!!!!!!

186 ObserverArt  Jun 30, 2015 7:04:11am

re: #176 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse

How have we gotten all the way to 2015 and people still don’t get the First Amendment?

FOX.

187 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Jun 30, 2015 7:04:17am

re: #183 ObserverArt

Did you catch goddamnedfrank’s exposure of all that in #14 above, and in the previous thread?

He does good ‘depantsing’ work around here.

No, I’ll check it out. You’re right, he does great work.

188 Dave In Austin  Jun 30, 2015 7:06:27am
189 ObserverArt  Jun 30, 2015 7:07:06am

re: #184 Jayleia

Did JAH leave after/because of the trans* issue?

I hope not…even though I got more than a bit angry about it.

Well, not directly. But being told the F-off and then seeing many upding that comment probably did it.

190 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Jun 30, 2015 7:09:27am

re: #183 ObserverArt

Did you catch goddamnedfrank’s exposure of all that in #14 above, and in the previous thread?

He does good ‘depantsing’ work around here.

What a surprise that female account is a sock puppet for a male.

///

191 Agnostick  Jun 30, 2015 7:15:34am

“…And they will look down and see that he has something in his hand.”

192 darthstar  Jun 30, 2015 7:19:04am

re: #191 Agnostick

“…And they will look down and see that he has something in his hand.”

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Is that an IED? Just asking for CNN.

193 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Jun 30, 2015 7:19:50am

re: #192 darthstar

Is that an IED? Just asking for CNN.

CNN has identified it as an ISIS hand grenade.

194 Bird in the Paw  Jun 30, 2015 7:20:30am

Can someone better versed than I in wingnut parse Woods’ tweet? I am drawing a complete blank.

195 The Vicious Babushka  Jun 30, 2015 7:21:43am

LOL I got RTed by Sir_Max which proves it’s an auto retweet bot not an actual wingnut

196 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Jun 30, 2015 7:22:40am

re: #193 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

CNN has identified it as an ISIS hand grenade.

It was found by that guerilla journalist dude who dresses like dead OBL James Okeefe on the Mexican border where he found this ISIS hand grenade and copies of the Koran and Muslim prayer rugs.

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197 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Jun 30, 2015 7:23:06am

re: #194 Bird in the Paw

Can someone better versed than I in wingnut parse Woods’ tweet? I am drawing a complete blank.

Jrb creators (Republicans) pay taxes, moochers (Democrats) spend them.

198 The Vicious Babushka  Jun 30, 2015 7:23:36am

re: #194 Bird in the Paw

Can someone better versed than I in wingnut parse Woods’ tweet? I am drawing a complete blank.

HURR HURR ONLY CONSERVATIVES WORK & HAS JERBS & PAYS TAXES, ALL TEH DEMOCRATZ IS ALL UNEMPLOYED & MOOCHIN ON TEH WELFARES & TEH FOOD STAMPS EXCEPT 4 HILLARY & BILL GATES & BARBRA STREISAND & SOROS!!!!1!!!

199 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Jun 30, 2015 7:24:31am

Like she said

200 The Vicious Babushka  Jun 30, 2015 7:25:47am

Ben’s delicate little tushie is still tender

201 Dave In Austin  Jun 30, 2015 7:26:39am

re: #196 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse

It was found by that guerilla journalist dude who dresses like dead OBL James Okeefe on the Mexican border where he found this ISIS hand grenade and copies of the Koran and Muslim prayer rugs.

///

I’m getting a rather uncomfortable visual on this. But it’s kind of funny as well.
///

202 ObserverArt  Jun 30, 2015 7:28:08am

Later all…going to lurk mode. Got emails to return and work searching to do.

And a good time to get away from Ben Shapiro tweets. Ugh.

203 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Jun 30, 2015 7:32:10am

re: #200 The Vicious Babushka

Ben’s buddy Chuck says his gay friends called marriage “a heterosexual bourgeois thing,” so Chuck wonders why gays would want to get married.

BTW, Chuck referred to Ben as his friend in the latest interview. Are these two really best buddies? They sure sound alike.

204 The Vicious Babushka  Jun 30, 2015 7:33:49am

re: #203 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

Ben’s buddy Chuck says his gay friends called marriage “a heterosexual bourgeois thing,” so Chuck wonders why gays would want to get married.

BTW, Chuck referred to Ben as his friend in the latest interview. Are these two really best buddies? They sure sound alike.

I haven’t seen Ben mention Chuck in his Twitter feed.

Chuck is probably begging Ben to have him on the radio.

205 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Jun 30, 2015 7:34:28am

re: #200 The Vicious Babushka

Odd that all the same leftists who think marriage is an evil, patriarchal institution want its “dignity” extended to gays and lesbians.

I was just saying this at the most recent George Soros meeting. How come all of us Leftists who hate marriage (I don’t recall anyone in my meeting saying it was “evil” but maybe Ben’s Leftist informer goes to another meeting) and who are married want gay marriage?

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206 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Jun 30, 2015 7:34:51am

re: #204 The Vicious Babushka

I haven’t seen Ben mention Chuck in his Twitter feed.

Chuck is probably begging Ben to have him on the radio.

Well, Dana Loesch sure won’t give him any air time.

207 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Jun 30, 2015 7:37:12am

re: #205 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse

I was just saying this at the most recent George Soros meeting. How come all of us Leftists who hate marriage (I don’t recall anyone in my meeting saying it was “evil” but maybe Ben’s Leftist informer goes to another meeting) and who are married want gay marriage?

/////

As I recall, there was a schism some time back among the Soros Meetings for Leftist Scheming over this very issue.

208 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Jun 30, 2015 7:38:00am

re: #200 The Vicious Babushka

Ben’s delicate little tushie is still tender

Only Ben can confer ‘dignity’ on someone.

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209 Nyet  Jun 30, 2015 7:40:04am

re: #189 ObserverArt

Well, not directly. But being told the F-off and then seeing many upding that comment probably did it.

I’m pretty sure a “fuck off” with half a dozen updings did not do it. The many more downdings on her hate speech did it.

210 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Jun 30, 2015 7:40:31am

re: #200 The Vicious Babushka

We’re calling slutty polyamoro-something now? lol.
— John Nolte

Nolte strikes me as the kind of wingnut who’s mad he’s not as famous among wingnuts as other wingnuts.

211 Bird in the Paw  Jun 30, 2015 7:41:16am

re: #198 The Vicious Babushka

HURR HURR ONLY CONSERVATIVES WORK & HAS JERBS & PAYS TAXES, ALL TEH DEMOCRATZ IS ALL UNEMPLOYED & MOOCHIN ON TEH WELFARES & TEH FOOD STAMPS EXCEPT 4 HILLARY & BILL GATES & BARBRA STREISAND & SOROS!!!!1!!!

Ok. But what does OPM have to do with it? All liberals are government employees and therefore moochers?

212 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Jun 30, 2015 7:42:33am

re: #211 Bird in the Paw

He’s probably trying to say something about the OPM data breach. But who knows.

213 The Vicious Babushka  Jun 30, 2015 7:43:02am

WHUT

214 Bird in the Paw  Jun 30, 2015 7:44:09am

re: #212 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse

He’s probably trying to say something about the OPM data breach. But who knows.

Oooookay. The scary thing is, that may be correct.

215 Dr Lizardo  Jun 30, 2015 7:44:34am

re: #207 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

As I recall, there was a schism some time back among the Soros Meetings for Leftist Scheming over this very issue.

You know, when us Masons were at the Bilderberg Conference last time, we had a big old row about this very thing. Fortunately, we managed to reach a compromise and consensus for the good of world domination.

Hell of a great buffet courtesy of the Rothschilds, by the way.

216 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Jun 30, 2015 7:45:59am

re: #213 The Vicious Babushka

WHUT

Dawkins seems to be aiming at the Hi I’m Dr. Ben Carson I’m a Brain Surgeon and Here Are My Knowledge about Politics and Religion career ladder.

217 Dr Lizardo  Jun 30, 2015 7:46:00am

re: #213 The Vicious Babushka

WHUT

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It’s not an uncommon argument among Libertarians - the idea that sooner or later, the South would’ve seen that free labor is far less expensive and far more practical than slave labor.

Perhaps someone should remind them of the Roman Empire.

218 Timothy Watson  Jun 30, 2015 7:48:30am

re: #217 Dr Lizardo

It’s not an uncommon argument among Libertarians - the idea that sooner or later, the South would’ve seen that free labor is far less expensive and far more practical than slave labor.

Perhaps someone should remind them of the Roman Empire.

Yep, and the slavocracy was just going to give up 95% of their net worth.

219 darthstar  Jun 30, 2015 7:49:35am
Lakewood Church told KHOU-TV that a number of their volunteer ushers are also law enforcement officials. Those officials are apparently armed during the services so that they can react to anything like what happened Sunday.
220 Higgs Boson's Mate  Jun 30, 2015 7:49:36am

re: #205 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse

I was just saying this at the most recent George Soros meeting. How come all of us Leftists who hate marriage (I don’t recall anyone in my meeting saying it was “evil” but maybe Ben’s Leftist informer goes to another meeting) and who are married want gay marriage?

/////

Was that the Ninja Ballot Box Stuffers meeting? I was supposed to telecon on that one, but I had a conflicting meeting. I’d appreciate seeing your notes.

221 Snarknado!  Jun 30, 2015 7:50:12am

re: #209 Nyet

I’m pretty sure a “fuck off” with half a dozen updings did not do it. The many more downdings on her hate speech did it.

Neither, I think. There’s something about men acting like women (as she would put it, making no distinction between cosplay and transgender) that hits her where she lives. I don’t understand it….

222 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Jun 30, 2015 7:53:30am

re: #215 Dr Lizardo

Hell of a great buffet courtesy of the Rothschilds, by the way.

Nothing better than those Rothschilds buffets.

223 The Vicious Babushka  Jun 30, 2015 7:54:43am

Frontier gibberish lady is gibberishing

224 Bird in the Paw  Jun 30, 2015 7:56:04am

Pretty sure she could have spelled out those words and made it under the magic 140- Gah. Oh, and WHUT?

225 withak  Jun 30, 2015 7:56:14am

re: #209 Nyet

I’m pretty sure a “fuck off” with half a dozen updings did not do it. The many more downdings on her hate speech did it.

Err, what happened?

226 Higgs Boson's Mate  Jun 30, 2015 7:56:33am

re: #223 The Vicious Babushka

Frontier gibberish lady is gibberishing

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Just like dropping acid and then listening to Firesign Theater.

227 Dr. Matt  Jun 30, 2015 7:59:24am

re: #200 The Vicious Babushka

Odd that all the same leftists who think marriage is an evil, patriarchal institution want its “dignity” extended to gays and lesbians. Hmm.
— Ben Shapiro (@benshapiro) June 30, 2015

Which leftists believe “marriage is an evil, patriarchal institution”?

228 The Vicious Babushka  Jun 30, 2015 8:00:13am

re: #227 Dr. Matt

Which leftists believe “marriage is an evil, patriarchal institution”?

I don’t know but I am sure wingnuts can find some old Code Pink or WITCH protest photos.

229 Snarknado!  Jun 30, 2015 8:00:37am

re: #225 withak

Err, what happened?

She made some seriously misinformed comments (failing to understand that transgendered folk are not playing at being the other sex), and got jumped on.

230 b_sharp  Jun 30, 2015 8:00:43am

re: #223 The Vicious Babushka

Frontier gibberish lady is gibberishing

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USA people (conservatives, because dems don’t work) pay money for others to better themselves ( at least she doesn’t bitch about freeloaders) but bettering themselves should include treatment for drugs and mental illness (because we all know anybody not working (a dem) is on drugs or mentally ill). Help people who want to work not people who just want to game the system because they’re freeloaders (oops I spoke too soon).

231 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Jun 30, 2015 8:01:09am

re: #227 Dr. Matt

Which leftists believe “marriage is an evil, patriarchal institution”?

ALL of them. Or the ones in Ben’s head.

/

232 b_sharp  Jun 30, 2015 8:02:40am

re: #227 Dr. Matt

Which leftists believe “marriage is an evil, patriarchal institution”?

Those over there. You know the ones - those lefties complaining about a misogynistic cultural system.

I guess complaining about one thing includes all those other things.

Ben doesn’t do nuance.

233 Nyet  Jun 30, 2015 8:02:51am

re: #221 Snarknado!

Neither, I think. There’s something about men acting like women (as she would put it, making no distinction between cosplay and transgender) that hits her where she lives. I don’t understand it….

Well, there’s that. I was surprised by one thing she once wrote: “but I have been hated on transgender sites for stating my honest (and perhaps uninformed) opinion from one woman’s perspective”. Question: if she doesn’t see eye to eye with the trans folk, how did she end up on those sites (only to end up being “hated”)?

234 Snarknado!  Jun 30, 2015 8:02:59am

re: #227 Dr. Matt

Which leftists believe “marriage is an evil, patriarchal institution”?

Me! Me! As it was until recently, anyway. Not entirely relevant to the institution as it exists today.

235 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Jun 30, 2015 8:03:18am

re: #223 The Vicious Babushka

USA ppl pay $’s4 orhrs 2 better Thm selves, bt shld include treatment 4 drugs & mental illness-help ppl tht wnt 2 wrk NOT free loadrs! #TCOT
— gayle ryan

This is amazing. It must be some kind of code.

/

236 The Vicious Babushka  Jun 30, 2015 8:03:44am

Wingnuts still Derping over HURR HURR WALMART WON’T BAKE A CORDFEDERETTE FLAG CAKE BUT THEY MADE A ISIS CAKE!!!!!!

I’m pretty sure that whoever made the ISIS flag cake did not know what it was, and it was a wingnut who ordered the thing.

If they did know it was an ISIS cake then they should have made an ISIS Dildo Cake.

237 Snarknado!  Jun 30, 2015 8:04:47am

re: #233 Nyet

Maybe she was trying to educate herself and it backfired.

238 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Jun 30, 2015 8:06:19am

re: #232 b_sharp

Those over there. You know the ones - those lefties complaining about a misogynistic cultural system.

I guess complaining about one thing includes all those other things.

Ben doesn’t do nuance.

[Ben Shapiro]Why are Leftists who hate patriarchal marriage where women are treated as property advocating that gays be allowed the kind of egalitarian marriages that the Leftists have?[/Ben Shapiro]

239 The Vicious Babushka  Jun 30, 2015 8:06:39am

Ben just retweeted this so it must be an accurate assessment of his views, not a mockery.

Because WTFFITS

240 lawhawk  Jun 30, 2015 8:06:42am

re: #227 Dr. Matt

Civil marriage confers all kinds of benefits on those married - health, insurance, access to private information, beneficiary/estate, tax, etc.

241 darthstar  Jun 30, 2015 8:07:08am
242 Nyet  Jun 30, 2015 8:07:28am

A very popular Russian “comedian” (gah) makes a joke about MH17.
The Russian audience laughs.

243 The Vicious Babushka  Jun 30, 2015 8:09:16am

WHAT WAS FREEDOM LIKE? IT WAS WHEN WE HAD TEH FREEDOMS TO NOT LET TEH GHEY GET MARRIED & NOT BAKE THEM TEH CAKES & NOT ALLOW COLOREDS INTO OUR SWIMMING POOLS & JESUS IN EVERY SCHOOL CLASSROOM & WE ALL HAD TEH MOAST GUNZ!!!!!!

244 makeitstop  Jun 30, 2015 8:09:31am

re: #227 Dr. Matt

Which leftists believe “marriage is an evil, patriarchal institution”?

The ones that live in his head, torturing his very existence.

I understand the close relatives of those leftists have a cozy little spot in Sean Hannity’s head.

245 Lidane  Jun 30, 2015 8:10:10am

Mah teevee iz showing Chris Christie about to announce his run for POTUS.

Fun times.

246 HappyWarrior  Jun 30, 2015 8:10:14am

re: #239 The Vicious Babushka

Seriously. The stupid it burns.

247 The Vicious Babushka  Jun 30, 2015 8:10:35am

WHUT

248 The Vicious Babushka  Jun 30, 2015 8:11:11am

Gateway Pundit is self-firewalled here, what did Dim Jim say?

249 Romantic Heretic  Jun 30, 2015 8:11:43am

re: #143 Dr. Matt

So much for that “lame duck” status

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For this late in his second term that’s pretty damned good. Usually, by this point in time, most of the populace wants the President lynched.

250 darthstar  Jun 30, 2015 8:11:50am
251 HappyWarrior  Jun 30, 2015 8:14:23am

re: #248 The Vicious Babushka

Gateway Pundit is self-firewalled here, what did Dim Jim say?

Protesters Beat Confederate Flag Supporters Bloody. Just more of Jim’s typical bullshit where the bigots are the poor victims.

252 HappyWarrior  Jun 30, 2015 8:15:44am

re: #244 makeitstop

The ones that live in his head, torturing his very existence.

I understand the close relatives of those leftists have a cozy little spot in Sean Hannity’s head.

Yep, he doesn’t know shit about what leftists actually believe. Against marriage? Hardly, I am glad to see that my gay friends and family members have the same rights I do. If that makes me against marriage Benny of the Corn, then you sir are even stupider than I thought.

253 Romantic Heretic  Jun 30, 2015 8:16:51am

re: #173 The Vicious Babushka

Um no. First Amendment does not say everyone is entitled to their own TV show. This was a business decision by a privately-owned corporation.

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And if a television network told Nick Hanaeur or George Soros to take a hike she’d be like, “Not censorship! Businesses can do that!

Freaking hypocrites.

254 #FergusonFireside  Jun 30, 2015 8:16:53am

I’m guessing Bon Jovi gave permission?

255 HappyWarrior  Jun 30, 2015 8:16:57am

I’ve actually totally forgotten about Christie running for president. I think he’ll do poorly and he will lash out.

256 Lidane  Jun 30, 2015 8:18:21am

re: #254 #FergusonFireside

I’m guessing Bon Jovi gave permission?

Probably not. Jon Bon Jovi is an outspoken Democrat. I think he played a Clinton event recently.

I’m expecting a “Please don’t use our music” letter soon enough.

257 Dr. Matt  Jun 30, 2015 8:18:41am

re: #240 lawhawk

Civil marriage confers all kinds of benefits on those married - health, insurance, access to private information, beneficiary/estate, tax, etc.

Exactly. That’s why the Left has been fighting for marriage equality so our LGBTQ friends and family can have the same benefits and rights that we have.

258 Romantic Heretic  Jun 30, 2015 8:19:04am

re: #176 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse

How have we gotten all the way to 2015 and people still don’t get the First Amendment?

They don’t really ‘get’ any of the Constitution. Their only interest in it, or any political, economic or religious philosophy, is to find, paraphrasing Galbraith, “High moral reasons to be selfish and cruel.”

259 HappyWarrior  Jun 30, 2015 8:19:40am

re: #256 Lidane

Probably not. Jon Bon Jovi is an outspoken Democrat. I think he played a Clinton event recently.

I’m expecting a “Please don’t use our music” letter soon enough.

These guys just never learn do they. Still love Neil Young’s response to Trump the most since I think the reason these guys did it is for more publicity but Neil turned it into some nice publicity for Bernie Sanders whom he is supporting.

260 Dr. Matt  Jun 30, 2015 8:23:27am

re: #258 Romantic Heretic

They don’t really ‘get’ any of the Constitution. Their only interest in it, or any political, economic or religious philosophy, is to find, paraphrasing Galbraith, “High moral reasons to be selfish and cruel.”

It’s “First Amendment issues” when they disagree, but it’s “Free Markets and Capitalism” when the agree. Wing-nuttery summed up in 16 words.

261 Romantic Heretic  Jun 30, 2015 8:23:27am

re: #200 The Vicious Babushka

Ben’s delicate little tushie is still tender

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Ben demonstrates that it isn’t leftists that piss him off. It’s what he imagines leftists to be that do that.

It’s a very effective way of feeding an anger addiction. No need to look for a source of their drug. Just imagine and they’re high. Sort of self medicating but of even less efficacy.

262 Ace-o-aces  Jun 30, 2015 8:23:41am

Cons on Twitter going crazy over Chelsea Clinton getting paid to speak.

263 darthstar  Jun 30, 2015 8:25:20am
264 Dr. Matt  Jun 30, 2015 8:25:46am

re: #247 The Vicious Babushka

WHUT

SHOCK VIDEO=> Protesters BEAT Confederate Flag Supporters Bloody at South Carolina Statehouse t.co via @gatewaypundit
— Jim Hoft (@gatewaypundit) June 30, 2015

So, the South lost again? Habits are hard to break.

265 HappyWarrior  Jun 30, 2015 8:26:10am

re: #262 Ace-o-aces

Cons on Twitter going crazy over Chelsea Clinton getting paid to speak.

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Well the other thing they’re ignoring is I think a former first daughter would be in demand for speaking and Chelsea is pretty respected in her own light.

266 HappyWarrior  Jun 30, 2015 8:26:46am

re: #263 darthstar

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It’s going to be a comical fall and winter.

267 GlutenFreeJesus  Jun 30, 2015 8:27:00am

re: #200 The Vicious Babushka

268 Romantic Heretic  Jun 30, 2015 8:27:13am

re: #223 The Vicious Babushka

Frontier gibberish lady is gibberishing

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So what is she saying? That people with mental illness are freeloaders? That they want jobs? That they can even get jobs?

From the sound of it she should know all the answers to these questions.

269 HappyWarrior  Jun 30, 2015 8:28:18am

re: #267 GlutenFreeJesus

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I think Ben heard a stereotypical feminist say that in a movie probably once and he assumes that’s all leftists. God Ben just shut the fuck up already. Seriously dude. Do you realize that how fucking stupid you sound time and time again?

270 darthstar  Jun 30, 2015 8:28:24am
271 Aunty Entity Dragon  Jun 30, 2015 8:28:48am

re: #164 Dr. Matt

He’s going to spend the next several decades reminiscing about the “good ole days” of twitter like an ex-high school QB reminiscing about his days as the star QB but ended up as a fat slob barely making ends meet.

Maybe he can go help Harold Covington on his next Nazi race war porn book.

272 Romantic Heretic  Jun 30, 2015 8:28:53am

re: #232 b_sharp

Those over there. You know the ones - those lefties complaining about a misogynistic cultural system.

I guess complaining about one thing includes all those other things.

Ben doesn’t do nuance.

Nuance interferes with Truth™. Plus nuance requires actual thought which is severely painful to wingnuts.

273 HappyWarrior  Jun 30, 2015 8:28:58am

I mean I guess many leftists do hate marriage. My parents are still married and many of Ben’s fellow conservatives love marriage so much that they’re on their third or fourth.

274 lawhawk  Jun 30, 2015 8:30:40am

Wait, does that mean President Obama’s policies are actually working? What exactly is Christie trying to say here? That the anxiety is the result of GOP policies that create fear, loathing, instability, and uncertainty (such as wishing and hoping for King v. Burwell to dismantle the ACA)?

Inquiring minds want to know…

275 GlutenFreeJesus  Jun 30, 2015 8:31:03am
276 Lidane  Jun 30, 2015 8:32:06am

re: #274 lawhawk

Supposedly, the anxiety is that gubmint doesn’t compromise or talk to each other.

Christie appears to be positioning himself as the Great Compromiser who will bring both parties together.

277 The Vicious Babushka  Jun 30, 2015 8:32:09am

Compromise, Ben, is in the Constitution. You know the part where slaves are counted as 3/5 of a person.

278 HappyWarrior  Jun 30, 2015 8:32:17am

re: #275 GlutenFreeJesus

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We’ll see how you feel Ben if you’re ever denied the right to visit your wife if she’s sick in the hospital because a book from over a thousand years ago was interpreted wrong.

279 Romantic Heretic  Jun 30, 2015 8:33:58am

re: #264 Dr. Matt

So, the South lost again? Habits are hard to break.

Well, the good guys were supposed to show up and the bad guys, being liberal pussies, were supposed to run away. How dare those weaklings fight back!

280 HappyWarrior  Jun 30, 2015 8:34:25am

re: #277 The Vicious Babushka

Compromise, Ben, is in the Constitution. You know the part where slaves are counted as 3/5 of a person.

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Well not just that but the way our legislature is set up. Christie actually phrased that badly, he should have said the Constitution was able to be written because of compromise but I understand what he meant. Secondly, not all the founders used guns Ben. Benjamin Franklin, John Adams, and Thomas Jefferson and most of the signers of the Declaration never were in military duty and were actually diplomats.

281 lawhawk  Jun 30, 2015 8:34:50am

re: #276 Lidane

Supposedly, the anxiety is that gubmint doesn’t compromise or talk to each other.

Christie appears to be positioning himself as the Great Compromiser who will bring both parties together.

282 HappyWarrior  Jun 30, 2015 8:35:11am

re: #276 Lidane

Supposedly, the anxiety is that gubmint doesn’t compromise or talk to each other.

Christie appears to be positioning himself as the Great Compromiser who will bring both parties together.

That’ll go over well with a GOP base that flies into a rage (see Ben’s reaction) over the very word compromise.

283 HappyWarrior  Jun 30, 2015 8:35:53am

re: #281 lawhawk

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Yep in that sense Christie is a fraud. It’s one thing to talk about compromise and bringing the parties together, it’s another to actually do it.

284 Lidane  Jun 30, 2015 8:36:35am

re: #282 HappyWarrior

That’ll go over well with a GOP base that flies into a rage (see Ben’s reaction) over the very word compromise.

He also said that both parties have failed the American people with their constant bickering and refusal to work together. I’m sure that will go over well with the rabid GOP base.

285 The Vicious Babushka  Jun 30, 2015 8:36:48am

From my reading of actual history, the 3/5 compromise was reached because the slave states wanted their slave population included for the purpose of determining congressional representatives based on population, and the non-slave states did not want the slave population counted at all.

286 lawhawk  Jun 30, 2015 8:36:56am

re: #277 The Vicious Babushka

287 HappyWarrior  Jun 30, 2015 8:37:48am

re: #286 lawhawk

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He missed that part of civics because he was doing pitfarts.

288 jaunte  Jun 30, 2015 8:39:32am

Edward Sorel is an amazing political cartoonist.
National Portrait Gallery: npg.si.edu

289 darthstar  Jun 30, 2015 8:39:35am
290 darthstar  Jun 30, 2015 8:40:36am
291 jaunte  Jun 30, 2015 8:40:36am

Oops, that one’s by Victor Juhasz!

292 HappyWarrior  Jun 30, 2015 8:41:22am

re: #285 The Vicious Babushka

From my reading of actual history, the 3/5 compromise was reached because the slave states wanted their slave population included for the purpose of determining congressional representatives based on population, and the non-slave states did not want the slave population counted at all.

That’s correct. And the Congressional compromise comes from the bigger states that wanted all representation based on the size of the states and the smaller states who wanted equal either way. Ben’s problem and this is one of my biggest historical pet peeves is when people talk about the Founders as if they were a monolithic group of people who all thought the same thing. Hamilton had much different views than Jefferson. John Adams thought differently than your average South Carolinan. Washington’s warning against political parties is famous but the political factions that were eventually created had been there already during the Continental Congresses.

293 darthstar  Jun 30, 2015 8:42:12am
294 Blind Frog Belly White  Jun 30, 2015 8:42:20am

re: #285 The Vicious Babushka

From my reading of actual history, the 3/5 compromise was reached because the slave states wanted their slave population included for the purpose of determining congressional representatives based on population, and the non-slave states did not want the slave population counted at all.

That was one of the early capitulations to the South. It’s how they remained dominant despite the larger number of voters in the North - they counted their property in determining representation.

295 Snarknado!  Jun 30, 2015 8:42:45am

re: #285 The Vicious Babushka

From my reading of actual history, the 3/5 compromise was reached because the slave states wanted their slave population included for the purpose of determining congressional representatives based on population, and the non-slave states did not want the slave population counted at all.

There was an impassioned speech at the Constitutional Convention (I can’t remember who made it) along the lines of, “if you want them to be counted, make them citizens and let them vote. If they can’t vote, they’re not citizens and should not be counted.”

296 darthstar  Jun 30, 2015 8:43:45am
297 HappyWarrior  Jun 30, 2015 8:43:54am

re: #295 Snarknado!

There was an impassioned speech at the Constitutional Convention (I can’t remember who made it) along the lines of, “if you want them to be counted, make them citizens and let them vote. If they can’t vote, they’re not citizens and should not be counted.”

I’m really curious to who that was now.

298 HappyWarrior  Jun 30, 2015 8:44:43am

re: #296 darthstar

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Your 2015, homecoming king, Chris Christie!

299 calochortus  Jun 30, 2015 8:45:00am

re: #237 Snarknado!

Maybe she was trying to educate herself and it backfired.

I’m guessing JAH truly doesn’t understand being trans. I don’t. I can’t wrap my head around feeling like you need to be in a different body. Just. Can. Not.

However, I’m inclined to think when a noticeable number of people are willing to risk a wide range of consequences up to and including being killed for ‘coming out’ as who they feel they are, that it’s not just a fad. There must be something there. And, since it’s really none of my business what other people do with their lives and bodies, well, have at it.

300 HappyWarrior  Jun 30, 2015 8:45:11am

Chris Christie is going to beat Blue High!

301 Jenner7  Jun 30, 2015 8:45:14am
302 HappyWarrior  Jun 30, 2015 8:47:11am

re: #301 Jenner7

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He’s fired up for the big game.

303 jaunte  Jun 30, 2015 8:48:20am
304 darthstar  Jun 30, 2015 8:50:52am

Well, at least we know he won’t go to war with Putin.

305 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jun 30, 2015 8:51:30am

re: #303 jaunte

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Eric Forman is Chris Christie’s son?

306 HappyWarrior  Jun 30, 2015 8:52:17am

re: #304 darthstar

Well, at least we know he won’t go to war with Putin.

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That’s going to piss off the base. He’s right although his record suggests otherwise.

307 ObserverArt  Jun 30, 2015 8:52:54am

re: #209 Nyet

I’m pretty sure a “fuck off” with half a dozen updings did not do it. The many more downdings on her hate speech did it.

Hey Sergey…saw your comment.

That may well be too. She did mention something about getting beat up by men. Obviously it enraged her, that is clear. Maybe past experiences in her life played into it.

I admit I did not see any of the previous discussions about transgender issues so I have no feel for how it all got to the point it did that day. I was just surprised it got so heated so fast.

I still think, and you can disagree, that age played into it too as far as the reactions that day. I don’t know her experience with internet flame wars and how many people have learned it is all a part of the internet ‘experience’ and sometimes you just have to let it roll.

If we were all sitting around in someones living room discussing it, it may not have gone the same way. The internet often provides no feeling. And if someone is in your living room, you probably already know them and their boundaries.

I still hope she is well and considers coming back. She did get the morning discussions rolling.

308 Snarknado!  Jun 30, 2015 8:53:43am

re: #297 HappyWarrior

I’m really curious to who that was now.

Did a quick search… can’t find it. Hot suspects: Gouverneur Morris, Pinckney, Butler… but I don’t know.

309 darthstar  Jun 30, 2015 8:54:55am
310 Snarknado!  Jun 30, 2015 8:58:41am

re: #307 ObserverArt

Getting beaten on by men… partly, maybe. But she seemed to be thinking along the lines of taking on a female appearance without paying the price (all the varieties of discrimination, wage differences and all that…). Again, she’s thinking of it as a masquerade, not what being transgendered really involves.

Calochortus, I also don’t get it, but from the other direction. I think if I woke up in a male body, I’d probably get used to it eventually. If I didn’t cut my throat shaving first, and I understand that electric razors are pretty wide-spread these days.

311 sagehen  Jun 30, 2015 8:59:14am

re: #285 The Vicious Babushka

From my reading of actual history, the 3/5 compromise was reached because the slave states wanted their slave population included for the purpose of determining congressional representatives based on population, and the non-slave states did not want the slave population counted at all.

Reading of actual history? What Satanic Communist Libtard delusion makes you think “actual history” has any bearing?

312 HappyWarrior  Jun 30, 2015 8:59:48am

re: #308 Snarknado!

Did a quick search… can’t find it. Hot suspects: Gouverneur Morris, Pinckney, Butler… but I don’t know.

Ah okay. That’s going to bother me now heh. Not really familiar with either of those three.

313 Dr. Matt  Jun 30, 2015 9:00:01am

Yeah, I’m a jerk….

314 calochortus  Jun 30, 2015 9:00:40am

re: #310 Snarknado!

Yeah, removing hairs from the face-that would be strange. But even stranger to have them there.

315 Lidane  Jun 30, 2015 9:02:07am

So Fox News goes from coverage of Chris Christie to BUY SILVER! commercials to the dim bulb spokesmodels on Outnumbered to babble some more.

Methinks it’s time to put my earbuds in and start shuffling through Spotify again. I might end up heckling the TV and saying something that would get me fired. Heh.

316 Snarknado!  Jun 30, 2015 9:02:22am

re: #312 HappyWarrior

Ah okay. That’s going to bother me now heh. Not really familiar with either of those three.

Got it! It was Gouverneur Morris

317 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jun 30, 2015 9:02:47am

re: #309 darthstar

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Did Justice Breyer actually say that? He also doesn’t know that it says “cruel or unusual”? No cruel punishments may be inflicted. Also, no unusual punishments may be inflicted.

It’s possible, I suppose, for people to argue over whether the death penalty is cruel or not, but no one can argue that these days it’s not unusual.

318 ObserverArt  Jun 30, 2015 9:03:30am

re: #276 Lidane

Supposedly, the anxiety is that gubmint doesn’t compromise or talk to each other.

Christie appears to be positioning himself as the Great Compromiser who will bring both parties together.

Right on up the the time someone disagrees and he tells them to shut up and sit down.

319 De Kolta Chair  Jun 30, 2015 9:03:32am

The cost to taxpayers of Christie’s Bridgegate legal defense = $7.3M

The irony of Christie making his announcement at a gym = priceless

320 HappyWarrior  Jun 30, 2015 9:04:37am

re: #316 Snarknado!

Got it! It was Gouverneur Morris

I have a new contender for favorite founder today.
Per wiki, from Madison’s notes

He [Gouverneur Morris] never would concur in upholding domestic slavery. It was a nefarious institution. It was the curse of heaven on the states where it prevailed. Compare the free regions of the Middle States, where a rich & noble cultivation marks the prosperity & happiness of the people, with the misery & poverty which overspread the barren wastes of Va. Maryd. & the other States having slaves. … Proceed southwardly, and every step you take, through the great regions of slaves, presents a desert increasing with the increasing proportion of these wretched beings.
Upon what principle is it that the slaves shall be computed in the representation? Are they men? Then make them citizens, and let them vote. Are they property? Why, then, is no other property included? The Houses in this city [Philadelphia] are worth more than all the wretched slaves which cover the rice swamps of South Carolina.
The admission of slaves into the Representation when fairly explained comes to this: that the inhabitant of Georgia and S. C. who goes to the Coast of Africa, and in defiance of the most sacred laws of humanity tears away his fellow creatures from their dearest connections & damns them to the most cruel bondages, shall have more votes in a Govt. instituted for protection of the rights of mankind, than the Citizen of Pa. or N. Jersey who views with a laudable horror, so nefarious a practice.

321 Aunty Entity Dragon  Jun 30, 2015 9:04:52am

re: #310 Snarknado!

Getting beaten on by men… partly, maybe. But she seemed to be thinking along the lines of taking on a female appearance without paying the price (all the varieties of discrimination, wage differences and all that…). Again, she’s thinking of it as a masquerade, not what being transgendered really involves.

Calochortus, I also don’t get it, but from the other direction. I think if I woke up in a male body, I’d probably get used to it eventually. If I didn’t cut my throat shaving first, and I understand that electric razors are pretty wide-spread these days.

What is going on with JAH????

322 darthstar  Jun 30, 2015 9:04:54am
323 sagehen  Jun 30, 2015 9:05:12am

re: #310 Snarknado!

I think if I woke up in a male body, I’d probably get used to it eventually. If I didn’t cut my throat shaving first, and I understand that electric razors are pretty wide-spread these days.

If I suddenly found myself with a body part that changes size and shape depending on my mood, would I obsess over it? Or sometimes not even depending on my mood, it changes just because… would it define my existence?

324 Aunty Entity Dragon  Jun 30, 2015 9:05:15am

re: #314 calochortus

Yeah, removing hairs from the face-that would be strange. But even stranger to have them there.

Which is why I pay for electrolysis and laser.

325 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing  Jun 30, 2015 9:05:47am

Good morning, Lizard nation!

My only comment on this heinous excuse for a “human” is: Really, a fedora? C’mon man!

326 Aunty Entity Dragon  Jun 30, 2015 9:06:46am

re: #325 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing

Good morning, Lizard nation!

My only comment on this heinous excuse for a “human” is: Really, a fedora? C’mon man!

Giant neckbeard with a eccentric hat! (Low rent Nazi verson of GRR Martin I guess)

327 Jenner7  Jun 30, 2015 9:07:43am

Cops don’t even bother to do their jobs anymore.

328 makeitstop  Jun 30, 2015 9:08:08am

re: #326 Aunty Entity Dragon

Giant neckbeard with a eccentric hat! (Low rent Nazi verson of GRR Martin I guess)

He bears an uncanny resemblance to Michael Weiner Savage.

329 ObserverArt  Jun 30, 2015 9:08:16am

re: #299 calochortus

I’m guessing JAH truly doesn’t understand being trans. I don’t. I can’t wrap my head around feeling like you need to be in a different body. Just. Can. Not.

However, I’m inclined to think when a noticeable number of people are willing to risk a wide range of consequences up to and including being killed for ‘coming out’ as who they feel they are, that it’s not just a fad. There must be something there. And, since it’s really none of my business what other people do with their lives and bodies, well, have at it.

To me understanding is a two-way street. You need to learn why someone wants a gender change and why others may be totally repulsed. The problems always start when the walls are built and the doors closed.

330 HappyWarrior  Jun 30, 2015 9:08:23am

re: #326 Aunty Entity Dragon

Giant neckbeard with a eccentric hat! (Low rent Nazi verson of GRR Martin I guess)

This is his cousin George KKK Martin. // Thank you I’ll be here all night.

331 darthstar  Jun 30, 2015 9:08:25am
332 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing  Jun 30, 2015 9:08:56am

re: #330 HappyWarrior

This is his cousin George KKK Martin. // Thank you I’ll be here all night.

I’ll give you massive props for that one. LOL

333 lawhawk  Jun 30, 2015 9:09:56am

re: #319 De Kolta Chair

And there’s an ongoing SEC investigation into whether Christie diverted Port Authority funds to cover reconstructing the Pulaski Skyway and Witpenn Bridges that are outside the scope of the bonding that the Port Authority put out.

The bonding required that funds be used for approaches to the Lincoln tunnel, and it would take a stretched definition to find that either bridge is an approach to the Lincoln tunnel - which would indicate that the money was used inappropriately by the Port Authority at Christie’s insistence so as to avoid hiking gas taxes or raising other taxes to keep the transportation trust fund afloat.

Oh, but Christie could manage to swing a tax cut for the 1% (cutting out a proposed hike by the legislature that would have aided funding either pensions or the transportation funds).

334 HappyWarrior  Jun 30, 2015 9:10:00am

re: #332 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing

I’ll give you massive props for that one. LOL

Gotta give AED props too, she pointed it out.

335 HappyWarrior  Jun 30, 2015 9:10:53am

What is that flag he’s standing in front of though? Didn’t notice that last night.

336 lawhawk  Jun 30, 2015 9:11:28am
337 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing  Jun 30, 2015 9:11:35am

Just wrapping my head around whatever happened with justanotherhuman and the trans discussion. I have a trans person on my FB who has been going really nuts over the last few days after the SSM decision. She’s not happy, because trans people are still discriminated against. OK. She even brought up a trans person who was murdered in Brazil. I get that. But you can celebrate the victories (even the ones that aren’t yours, per se) while still realizing the battle is not over.

Am I wrong with this perspective?

338 Aunty Entity Dragon  Jun 30, 2015 9:12:11am

re: #329 ObserverArt

To me understanding is a two-way street. You need to learn why someone wants a gender change and why others may be totally repulsed. The problems always start when the walls are built and the doors closed.

I do happen to be trans woman…and the issue is rather opaque even to those of us who have to live with it.

I also wouldn’t wish it on my worst enemy.

339 ObserverArt  Jun 30, 2015 9:12:29am

re: #310 Snarknado!

Getting beaten on by men… partly, maybe. But she seemed to be thinking along the lines of taking on a female appearance without paying the price (all the varieties of discrimination, wage differences and all that…). Again, she’s thinking of it as a masquerade, not what being transgendered really involves.

Calochortus, I also don’t get it, but from the other direction. I think if I woke up in a male body, I’d probably get used to it eventually. If I didn’t cut my throat shaving first, and I understand that electric razors are pretty wide-spread these days.

To clarify…she mentioned getting beaten by the men here at LGF if I remember it correctly. I saw the comment as a tad sad like she had been abused by men in her life and she didn’t need it here too. I could be wrong.

340 GlutenFreeJesus  Jun 30, 2015 9:13:54am

re: #327 Jenner7

Will the cops do anything about whoever called 911 to file a false report? Of course not.

341 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing  Jun 30, 2015 9:14:19am

I also want to mention that it’s heartening that this is an introspective commenting community, and various Lizardem care about what happens to each other. I wouldn’t hesitate to invite any of the regulars here to my dinner table.

342 sagehen  Jun 30, 2015 9:15:24am

re: #341 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing

I wouldn’t hesitate to invite any of the regulars here to my dinner table.

Unless they’re on the wrong side of the pizza/pineapple foofaraw. Then all bets are off.

//

343 HappyWarrior  Jun 30, 2015 9:16:14am

re: #337 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing

Just wrapping my head around whatever happened with justanotherhuman and the trans discussion. I have a trans person on my FB who has been going really nuts over the last few days after the SSM decision. She’s not happy, because trans people are still discriminated against. OK. She even brought up a trans person who was murdered in Brazil. I get that. But you can celebrate the victories (even the ones that aren’t yours, per se) while still realizing the battle is not over.

Am I wrong with this perspective?

My guess and this from an outsider looks in perspective (boring white straight male) is she doesn’t want people to forget that transpeople still do struggle and I think it’s a legitimate concern. And I will say after reading an article about bisexuals on Cracked yesterday, they too get lost in the confusion and sadly face intolerance from both straight and gay people.

344 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Jun 30, 2015 9:18:15am

re: #281 lawhawk

Vetoed SSM, too, IIRC.

345 darthstar  Jun 30, 2015 9:18:30am

It’s okay if a giant comet comes along and wipes out the planet. We’ve evolved to evolution’s end point.

346 calochortus  Jun 30, 2015 9:18:43am

re: #338 Aunty Entity Dragon

I do happen to be trans woman…and the issue is rather opaque even to those of us who have to live with it.

I also wouldn’t wish it on my worst enemy.

All I can say is that I hope you are living a happy, fulfilling life.
Which is what I wish for everyone.

347 HappyWarrior  Jun 30, 2015 9:18:53am

re: #344 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse

Vetoed SSM, too, IIRC.

Think so. He did support banning conversion therapy so that’s a brownie crumb point.

348 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing  Jun 30, 2015 9:19:07am

re: #343 HappyWarrior

My guess and this from an outsider looks in perspective (boring old white straight male) is she doesn’t want people to forget that transpeople still do struggle and I think it’s a legitimate concern. And I will say after reading an article about bisexuals on Cracked yesterday, they too get lost in the confusion and sadly face intolerance from both straight and gay people.

Hey, I’m a middle-aged straight white dude, so this is all out of my zip code as well. I just find it baffling that she can’t let people celebrate a moment of victory. I’m hoping she finds some happiness for others, so that when her victory comes, we’ll be there to celebrate with her. (not sure if that makes sense. I’m rambling this a.m.)

349 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing  Jun 30, 2015 9:19:44am

re: #346 calochortus

All I can say is that I hope you are living a happy, fulfilling life.
Which is what I wish for everyone.

ditto that.

350 calochortus  Jun 30, 2015 9:20:11am

Anyhoo, I’d better get some stuff done before it gets any hotter around here.
BBL

351 HappyWarrior  Jun 30, 2015 9:21:07am

re: #348 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing

Hey, I’m a middle-aged straight white dude, so this is all out of my zip code as well. I just find it baffling that she can’t let people celebrate a moment of victory. I’m hoping she finds some happiness for others, so that when her victory comes, we’ll be there to celebrate with her. (not sure if that makes sense. I’m rambling this a.m.)

Right, I understand what you’re saying and I guess I too find it a little baffling that she can’t find happiness for her gay and lesbian friends. But I think what I said is probably why she’s a little upset. I think if you really asked her, she’d say she was happy for gays and lesbians being able to marry now but she doesn’t want people to forget the T in LGBT and as I said I do understand that but I understand where you’re coming from too.

352 The Vicious Babushka  Jun 30, 2015 9:22:03am

STUPIDEST TWEET OF THE DAY==>

Dumbass, if they’re “unskilled, low level” they should already be receiving overtime pay. POTUS raised the threshold for workers making > $23K who are classified as “management” in order to make them work overtime FOR TREE

353 HappyWarrior  Jun 30, 2015 9:22:54am

re: #352 The Vicious Babushka

STUPIDEST TWEET OF THE DAY==>

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Dumbass, if they’re “unskilled, low level” they should already be receiving overtime pay. POTUS raised the threshold for workers making > $23K who are classified as “management” in order to make them work overtime FOR TREE

Is he sure his name isn’t Robert the dunce.

354 allegro  Jun 30, 2015 9:23:02am

Though I didn’t see previous discussions, one point I got from JAH, I think, is that a trans woman who has been treated as a male from birth with all of the privilege that accompanies that status, can never be female regardless of physical presentation because of the difference in socialization. There is a valid point of discussion there. At the same time, those of us who are not trans can never identify with that either, with the pain and confusion of feeling one way and being treated by society very differently. All we can do is support, or at least get the hell outa the way and stop judging what we don’t understand.

355 Snarknado!  Jun 30, 2015 9:23:48am

re: #339 ObserverArt

To clarify…she mentioned getting beaten by the men here at LGF if I remember it correctly. I saw the comment as a tad sad like she had been abused by men in her life and she didn’t need it here to. I could be wrong.

Could be… I took it as objection to “mansplaining,” and not anything more personal from us. But I think underneath it is a lasting resentment of being discriminated against as a woman.

356 Dr. Matt  Jun 30, 2015 9:24:14am

re: #327 Jenner7

Cops don’t even bother to do their jobs anymore.

Perhaps we really do need to emulate London and put CCTV cameras everywhere. Just over the last 6 months, look at what cell phone recordings have revealed. I can’t imagine how much injustice has occurred (see: Trayvon) simply because there was not a [unbiased] video available of the event.

357 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Jun 30, 2015 9:25:30am

re: #352 The Vicious Babushka

STUPIDEST TWEET OF THE DAY==>

Dumbass, if they’re “unskilled, low level” they should already be receiving overtime pay. POTUS raised the threshold for workers making > $23K who are classified as “management” in order to make them work overtime FOR TREE

Is today a day ending in day? (Checks). It is.

So it’s a perfect day for wingnuts to complain about any form of labor regulation that benefits labor.

/

358 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing  Jun 30, 2015 9:27:27am

I’m still happy that the President seems to be catching stride with his “IDGAF what you mouthbreathers think” period of his second term.

359 Lidane  Jun 30, 2015 9:27:31am

Oh look. The Fox News bobbleheads have moved on from Chris Christie to BENGHAZI. Must be a day that ends in Y or something.

360 The Vicious Babushka  Jun 30, 2015 9:27:33am

Also: first ballerina who looks athletic instead of anorexic

361 Snarknado!  Jun 30, 2015 9:28:50am

re: #354 allegro

Though I didn’t see previous discussions, one point I got from JAH, I think, is that a trans woman who has been treated as a male from birth with all of the privilege that accompanies that status, can never be female regardless of physical presentation because of the difference in socialization. There is a valid point of discussion there. At the same time, those of us who are not trans can never identify with that either, with the pain and confusion of feeling one way and being treated by society very differently. All we can do is support, or at least get the hell outa the way and stop judging what we don’t understand.

Well, not really — trans men and women are in that state, and once they acknowledge their situation, they cross over fairly easily (since that’s what they feel they are anyway). There are also cases of (usually) genetic men raised as women (because of genital malformation, usually) who never feel like women and, again, “revert” without difficulty. Humans is pretty flexible creatures, after all.

362 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing  Jun 30, 2015 9:28:57am

re: #360 The Vicious Babushka

Also: first ballerina who looks athletic instead of anorexic

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I think I tore ligaments and muscles just looking at that pose.

Good for her!

363 Dr Lizardo  Jun 30, 2015 9:29:46am

re: #360 The Vicious Babushka

Also: first ballerina who looks athletic instead of anorexic

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Congrats to Misty Copeland. :)

364 HappyWarrior  Jun 30, 2015 9:30:24am

re: #357 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse

Is today a day ending in day? (Checks). It is.

So it’s a perfect day for wingnuts to complain about any form of labor regulation that benefits labor.

/

When my grandfather was a field examiner in the early days of the NLRB, when he went to the parts of Michigan away from the cities which I assume were much more unionized and friendly, he definitely got some harassment by employers who were none too happy to see that an agent of the ebil federal government was watching to see that employees were treated fairly. I even found an old article from the 60’s where he was quoted talking about how difficult unionization has been in the South. I have experience from the another end of labor too. My mom’s grandfathers fought hard to get their union rights (coal miners). I just always have to laugh when I hear about union thugs and union this from the right from people who have no idea that the very word union can get you fired some places. If unions are that bad, certain employers wouldn’t resort to that kind of crap. They see unions as an obvious threat to their power. Sorry ranting.

365 CuriousLurker  Jun 30, 2015 9:33:22am
366 HappyWarrior  Jun 30, 2015 9:33:32am

It seems to me that perhaps JAH could have phrased what she was arguing better. I mean yes a transman isn’t going to have all the experiences I will have had first as a boy and now as a man but it doesn’t make him any less of a man. That said there will be experiences that he will have that I will not. Some because he’s trans and some because everyone experiences life differently. I don’t know what happened with JAH. I do hope she’s alright.

367 Timothy Watson  Jun 30, 2015 9:33:32am
368 HappyWarrior  Jun 30, 2015 9:35:17am

re: #365 CuriousLurker

Drive-by comment:

Updated spreadsheet of 2016 candidates

Are you doing that because I’m curious about Lincoln Chaffee. Says he opened at GMU (my alma mater), I guess he opened at the Arlington smaller campus or near the law school.

369 The Vicious Babushka  Jun 30, 2015 9:35:27am

Donald Trump having a Twitter meltdown right now.

370 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Jun 30, 2015 9:36:18am
371 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Jun 30, 2015 9:36:36am

re: #369 The Vicious Babushka

Donald Trump having a Twitter meltdown right now.

Presidential.

/

372 The Vicious Babushka  Jun 30, 2015 9:37:17am

Donald Trump is like CCJ, but with money

373 HappyWarrior  Jun 30, 2015 9:37:35am

re: #367 Timothy Watson

Wayne Allyn Root: ‘Divorces Will Now Triple’ Because ‘Gays Will Never Stay Married’

Damn, I guess I need to become a lawyer now.

He needs to talk to those older Texas gentlemen who if they had been allowed to marry years ago would have celebrated their golden a couple years back. I’ve also seen and this was from a couple years ago but a lesbian couple that had been together over 70 when they finally got married. Gay and lesbian relationships come and go like the rest of our relationships do. There will be same sex divorce, well there already has been but that’s just part of life. If Root wants to talk about divorce, I suggest he bring Newt Gingrich, Donald Trump, and Rush Limbaugh on the show.

374 jaunte  Jun 30, 2015 9:38:06am

re: #369 The Vicious Babushka

Donald Trump having a Twitter meltdown right now.

Waiting for him to blame the F-35’s performance issues on Mexicans.

375 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing  Jun 30, 2015 9:38:48am

re: #369 The Vicious Babushka

Donald Trump having a Twitter meltdown right now.

How can you tell?

376 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jun 30, 2015 9:39:28am

re: #367 Timothy Watson

Wayne Allyn Root: ‘Divorces Will Now Triple’ Because ‘Gays Will Never Stay Married’

Damn, I guess I need to become a lawyer now.

Well, half of all (presumably heterosexual) couples get divorced now. For divorces to triple, that would have to go up to 150%. For that to be even mathematically possible, gay marriages would have to up the marriage total by 50% (instead of 2 or 3% at the outside), and everybody would have to get divorced. Math is hard!

377 The Vicious Babushka  Jun 30, 2015 9:39:42am

re: #375 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing

How can you tell?

He’s Tweeting.

378 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Jun 30, 2015 9:39:51am

re: #375 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing

How can you tell?

Many, many updings could be awarded for this post.

379 HappyWarrior  Jun 30, 2015 9:40:32am

re: #376 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

Well, half of all (presumably heterosexual) couples get divorced now. For divorces to triple, that would have to go up to 150%. For that to be even mathematically possible, gay marriages would have to up the marriage total by 50% (instead of 2 or 3% at the outside), and everybody would have to get divorced. Math is hard!

Me pass math? That’s unpossible.//

380 ObserverArt  Jun 30, 2015 9:41:03am

re: #338 Aunty Entity Dragon

I do happen to be trans woman…and the issue is rather opaque even to those of us who have to live with it.

I also wouldn’t wish it on my worst enemy.

Thank you for a real human expression of your feelings. For someone that has never had even the slightest question about their gender I can see why that causes all kinds of problems for everyone.

Add religion and some conservative thinking into it and you have a toxic brew.

I always try to strip it down to: there is always a human involved.

381 HappyWarrior  Jun 30, 2015 9:41:54am

Root of course is a “libertarian.”

382 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing  Jun 30, 2015 9:42:56am

re: #376 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

Well, half of all (presumably heterosexual) couples get divorced now. For divorces to triple, that would have to go up to 150%. For that to be even mathematically possible, gay marriages would have to up the marriage total by 50% (instead of 2 or 3% at the outside), and everybody would have to get divorced. Math is hard!

I’ve heard this stat for years, and I’ve also heard that it’s bullshit. (the 50 percent number).

383 Bird in the Paw  Jun 30, 2015 9:43:08am

re: #352 The Vicious Babushka

STUPIDEST TWEET OF THE DAY==>

Dumbass, if they’re “unskilled, low level” they should already be receiving overtime pay. POTUS raised the threshold for workers making > $23K who are classified as “management” in order to make them work overtime FOR TREE

I really do believe that the anti-labor movement really misses the days of the 6-day—14 hour/day work week, Those peons should be happy to have a jerb and quit kerplaining ‘bert it.

384 Jayleia  Jun 30, 2015 9:44:07am

re: #337 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing

There have been some problems between the B/T and the LG part…to a lot of trans people, they feel like they’ve been reliable soldiers for LGB rights, and often get their own needs mocked and ignored by the LG side.

PREFACE: LOTS OF LG PEOPLE ARE GOOD ALLIES, IF YOU ARE ONE OF THEM, I AM NOT TALKING ABOUT YOU
We have a Transgender day of remembrance to list off all the casualties of just being trans.
We show up for all the LG rights stuff.
We make progress on LG stuff (and to a very large extent, SSM is a nice step forward, but it mainly affects people whose lives are stable enough to make marriage a reasonable thing to do)
We want to make progress on employment/housing discrimination for trans people…and a lot of the LG people are often nowhere to be found…thanks guys.

But next year there’ll be another day of remembrance…and we’ll probably show up for all the LG rights stuff and then we’ll look for help on trans issues again, and they won’t be there again.

There’s a similar split between a lot of the LG community and some B community, though its not as broad or deep of a problem…basically some people think bisexuals are just…indecisive or something and don’t want to declare a preference.

Basically…its complicated.

385 Ace-o-aces  Jun 30, 2015 9:44:42am

It’s not his fault. They hid that information in the article he was linking to.

386 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing  Jun 30, 2015 9:44:54am

re: #383 Bird in the Paw

I really do believe that the anti-labor movement really misses the days of the 6-day—14 hour/day work week, Those peons should be happy to have a jerb and quit kerplaining ‘bert it.

Six day? Luxury. I used to know some people who worked 7 days a week, 12-hour shifts. Sucks ass and I wouldn’t wish it on my worst enemy. (okay, that last part’s a sorta lie - I’d like some GOP assholes to do a few weeks on that schedule.)

387 The Vicious Babushka  Jun 30, 2015 9:45:04am

re: #383 Bird in the Paw

I really do believe that the anti-labor movement really misses the days of the 6-day—14 hour/day work week, Those peons should be happy to have a jerb and quit kerplaining ‘bert it.

I have actually seen #tcot derping about the child labor laws “depriving youth of a work ethic”

388 wrenchwench  Jun 30, 2015 9:45:38am

re: #107 William Lewis

Actually pretty good tune by an underrated band. Lets see, first let me offer this as a cover tune that I was about to put up anyway

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Video

But also this as inspired by your offering…

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That is by far the most awesomest Stairway to Heaven ever. I might even have to check out your second selection.

389 HappyWarrior  Jun 30, 2015 9:45:48am

re: #385 Ace-o-aces

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It’s not his fault. They hid that information in the article he was linking to.

Yeah she has worked and her husband is quite successful in his own right. Shrug trollish troll is trolly.

390 HappyWarrior  Jun 30, 2015 9:46:10am

re: #387 The Vicious Babushka

I have actually seen #tcot derping about the child labor laws “depriving youth of a work ethic”

You lost that youthful coal mining feeling and now it’s gone.

391 ObserverArt  Jun 30, 2015 9:46:14am

re: #341 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing

I also want to mention that it’s heartening that this is an introspective commenting community, and various Lizardem care about what happens to each other. I wouldn’t hesitate to invite any of the regulars here to my dinner table.

I’m so damn introspective it can bring me to a halt!

Being a super sensitive artist romantic type is not often easy.

And with that, back to getting something done and lurking. Lunch is over!

392 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing  Jun 30, 2015 9:46:18am

re: #384 Jayleia

Thanks for your clarification. When is that day of remembrance, if I may ask?

393 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 30, 2015 9:46:41am

re: #212 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse

He’s probably trying to say something about the OPM data breach. But who knows.

he means OPM = “Other People’s Money”

394 Khal Wimpo  Jun 30, 2015 9:47:07am

re: #193 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

CNN has identified it as an ISIS hand grenade.

Early contender for winning the internet today.

395 The Vicious Babushka  Jun 30, 2015 9:47:18am

TEH GOOD OLD DAYS!!!!

396 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing  Jun 30, 2015 9:47:36am

re: #387 The Vicious Babushka

Hell, Newt Gingrich even jumped on that child labor bandwagon.

397 Jenner7  Jun 30, 2015 9:48:47am
So far, police departments generally have not risen to the challenge. Although new recruits typically spend nearly 60 hours learning to handle a gun, according to a recent survey by the Police Executive Research Forum, they receive only eight hours of training to de-escalate tense situations and eight hours learning strategies for handling the mentally ill.

DISTRAUGHT PEOPLE,
DEADLY RESULTS

washingtonpost.com

398 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jun 30, 2015 9:50:23am

re: #382 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing

I’ve heard this stat for years, and I’ve also heard that it’s bullshit. (the 50 percent number).

Well, if it’s 1/3 like they used to say, and gay marriages increased the total by 50%, and everybody got divorced (because SSM destroyed marriage), that would work out.

399 Eventual Carrion  Jun 30, 2015 9:50:33am

re: #219 darthstar

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On a related note:
Zero hecklers calling women entering family planning center “sluts” and “murder” were arrested.

400 Jayleia  Jun 30, 2015 9:51:32am

re: #392 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing

November 20th, info here tdor.info

401 HappyWarrior  Jun 30, 2015 9:51:33am

That era was tough as it was for adults but for kids I don’t even want to imagine. There’s a reason why people lived shorter lives back then. I’d argue and I think with good evidence that progressive legislation has lengthened lives.

402 Dr Lizardo  Jun 30, 2015 9:51:34am

re: #395 The Vicious Babushka

THE DIGNITY OF WORK! CAN’T YOU SEE HOW DIGNIFIED THEY LOOK?!!

*smh*

403 HappyWarrior  Jun 30, 2015 9:51:58am

re: #396 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing

Hell, Newt Gingrich even jumped on that child labor bandwagon.

Ah yes the child janitor crap.

404 sagehen  Jun 30, 2015 9:52:04am

re: #382 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing

I’ve heard this stat for years, and I’ve also heard that it’s bullshit. (the 50 percent number).

It’s not half of all people; it’s half of all marriages. The Rush Limbaughs and Elizabeth Taylors of the world don’t have to be anywhere near a majority of people to be a majority of marriages.

405 HappyWarrior  Jun 30, 2015 9:52:55am

re: #404 sagehen

It’s not half of all people; it’s half of all marriages. The Rush Limbaughs and Elizabeth Taylors of the world don’t have to be anywhere near a majority of people to be a majority of marriages.

Now that does make sense then.

406 The Vicious Babushka  Jun 30, 2015 9:53:34am

But wait:

The battle flag was found Sunday night attached to the memorial for Colonel Robert Gould Shaw and the Massachusetts 54th Regiment — the first black troops organized in the North during the Civil War — with the flag having been placed over the sword on the figure of the white commanding officer Shaw.

Actually this does not sound like a vandalism but an appropriate place for the CSA flag—on the tip of a Yankee sword.

407 HappyWarrior  Jun 30, 2015 9:53:58am

re: #406 The Vicious Babushka

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Dicks.

408 lawhawk  Jun 30, 2015 9:54:14am

Wait. What?

And here the right wing echo chamber has been saying that people hate Obamacare, hate gay marriage, and that Obama’s busy destroying America…

409 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing  Jun 30, 2015 9:54:27am

re: #400 Jayleia

Thanks!

410 HappyWarrior  Jun 30, 2015 9:54:56am

re: #408 lawhawk

Wait. What?

[Embedded content]

And here the right wing echo chamber has been saying that people hate Obamacare, hate gay marriage, and that Obama’s busy destroying America…

Time for another Boehner tweet about how we need to repeal ACA.

411 Eventual Carrion  Jun 30, 2015 9:56:44am

re: #384 Jayleia

[snip]

Basically…its complicated.

It’s bound to be, humans are involved.

412 ObserverArt  Jun 30, 2015 9:56:51am

re: #354 allegro

Though I didn’t see previous discussions, one point I got from JAH, I think, is that a trans woman who has been treated as a male from birth with all of the privilege that accompanies that status, can never be female regardless of physical presentation because of the difference in socialization. There is a valid point of discussion there. At the same time, those of us who are not trans can never identify with that either, with the pain and confusion of feeling one way and being treated by society very differently. All we can do is support, or at least get the hell outa the way and stop judging what we don’t understand.

Just read your comment. Very well stated. If I remember, was not part of the whole dust-up caused by Bruce Jenner becoming Caitlyn Jenner? I would think in that case what you are saying really strikes home.

How many people going through that kind of change have the big media presence, the money and the world watching it all happen. So, maybe the Jenner case can become the big tipping point that changes a lot of perceptions for everyone.

One thing I will say about justanotherhuman, she was sharp as a tack. You may have just pointed out something that flew over some heads.

Okay…later!

413 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 30, 2015 9:57:24am
414 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing  Jun 30, 2015 9:57:25am

re: #400 Jayleia

November 20th, info here tdor.info

Nothing near me in Illinois. We have a pretty active LBGT community around here. I hope to talk to the faculty sponsor about doing something.

415 HappyWarrior  Jun 30, 2015 9:58:14am

re: #413 Backwoods_Sleuth

gaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhh

Rand Paul meets with Cliven Bundy on Nevada campaign stop

Silly Rand, the Supreme Court didn’t legalize same grift marriage.

416 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing  Jun 30, 2015 9:58:46am

re: #413 Backwoods_Sleuth

gaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhh

Rand Paul meets with Cliven Bundy on Nevada campaign stop


I have a reason to use this damned gif every fucking day.
417 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jun 30, 2015 9:58:58am

re: #401 HappyWarrior

That era was tough as it was for adults but for kids I don’t even want to imagine. There’s a reason why people lived shorter lives back then. I’d argue and I think with good evidence that progressive legislation has lengthened lives.

Standing at Armageddon, By Nell Irvin Painter, is a really good examination of all the movements that culminated in the Progressive Reforms. Of course, that includes Prohibition, so it’s a mixed bag….

418 GlutenFreeJesus  Jun 30, 2015 9:59:02am

re: #408 lawhawk

“They didn’t poll me!!!”

419 Eventual Carrion  Jun 30, 2015 10:00:53am

re: #395 The Vicious Babushka

TEH GOOD OLD DAYS!!!!

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It will bring us back to global competitiveness! They can pay them like Vietnamese peasants.

420 Bird in the Paw  Jun 30, 2015 10:01:18am

re: #393 Backwoods_Sleuth

he means OPM = “Other People’s Money”

Oh. Maybe I have been an inside-the-beltway brat for too long, but that would never have crossed my mind.

421 De Kolta Chair  Jun 30, 2015 10:01:42am
“or in some trendy fern bar”

Fern bar? This moron really is stuck in the past, isn’t he? //

422 HappyWarrior  Jun 30, 2015 10:02:11am

re: #417 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

Standing at Armageddon, By Nell Irvin Painter, is a really good examination of all the movements that culminated in the Progressive Reforms. Of course, that includes Prohibition, so it’s a mixed bag….

Looks good, I actually think I emailed or called Ms. Painter’s agent for a quote on a story the history magazine I worked on did. I’ve got a good memory names. But yeah prohibition definitely makes it a mixed bag because I’d be so wet, you couldn’t dry me off on that issue.

423 klys (maker of Silmarils)  Jun 30, 2015 10:02:25am

re: #354 allegro

Though I didn’t see previous discussions, one point I got from JAH, I think, is that a trans woman who has been treated as a male from birth with all of the privilege that accompanies that status, can never be female regardless of physical presentation because of the difference in socialization. There is a valid point of discussion there. At the same time, those of us who are not trans can never identify with that either, with the pain and confusion of feeling one way and being treated by society very differently. All we can do is support, or at least get the hell outa the way and stop judging what we don’t understand.

Agreed. Which is why when she said it was child abuse for parents to support their children if they expressed as trans, it set off a lot of backlash.

Just to provide the point that really touched a nerve for a lot of people.

424 The Vicious Babushka  Jun 30, 2015 10:02:25am

After reading the National Memo article it doesn’t seem like the 54th Monument was desecrated by the CS flag, but rather enhanced:

The battle flag was found Sunday night attached to the memorial for Colonel Robert Gould Shaw and the Massachusetts 54th Regiment — the first black troops organized in the North during the Civil War — with the flag having been placed over the sword on the figure of the white commanding officer Shaw.

The point of a Yankee sword just seems like an appropriate place for that flag.

425 Dr Lizardo  Jun 30, 2015 10:02:51am

re: #408 lawhawk

Wait. What?

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And here the right wing echo chamber has been saying that people hate Obamacare, hate gay marriage, and that Obama’s busy destroying America…

UNSKEW TEH POLLS!!

426 HappyWarrior  Jun 30, 2015 10:03:29am

re: #424 The Vicious Babushka

After reading the National Memo article it doesn’t seem like the 54th Monument was desecrated by the CS flag, but rather enhanced:

The point of a Yankke sword just seems like an appropriate place for that flag.

Ah okay. Respect then.

427 The Vicious Babushka  Jun 30, 2015 10:03:36am

TO THE BARRICADES!!!!!!

428 wrenchwench  Jun 30, 2015 10:05:17am

A guy just came in with a laptop and said, ‘I heard there was a computer expert in here.’ I said, ‘You heard wrong.’ He said, ‘I wonder where I heard that.’ I said, ‘So do I.’ I guess it’s time to fix some bikes and quit listening to Stairway to Heaven.

429 The Vicious Babushka  Jun 30, 2015 10:05:31am

Projecting like an IMAX==>

430 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing  Jun 30, 2015 10:05:36am

re: #427 The Vicious Babushka

Bring it on, derpnation!

431 HappyWarrior  Jun 30, 2015 10:05:52am

re: #427 The Vicious Babushka

TO THE BARRICADES!!!!!!

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I am sure there’s some sentry in Calais on the Atlantic Wall that still thinks the invasion is coming there too. Go ahead Ben, this assault on religion hasn’t come and it’s not going to. You guys can’t name one church that has been forced to do a SSM since its legalization. Not one. I know admitting you’re wrong is a Dorothy pouring water on the wicked witch moment for you but you are wrong.

432 Timothy Watson  Jun 30, 2015 10:06:12am

re: #427 The Vicious Babushka

TO THE BARRICADES!!!!!!

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I sense…pseudo-intellectual babble.

433 klys (maker of Silmarils)  Jun 30, 2015 10:06:14am

Hattip to Gus.

434 Higgs Boson's Mate  Jun 30, 2015 10:06:24am

re: #401 HappyWarrior

That era was tough as it was for adults but for kids I don’t even want to imagine. There’s a reason why people lived shorter lives back then. I’d argue and I think with good evidence that progressive legislation has lengthened lives.

A side effect of that progressive legislation is that a lot more people whose ancestors’ own stupidity would have taken them out are now around to wave Confederate flags and vote Republican.

435 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing  Jun 30, 2015 10:06:26am

re: #428 wrenchwench

A guy just came in with a laptop and said, ‘I heard there was a computer expert in here.’ I said, ‘You heard wrong.’ He said, ‘I wonder where I heard that.’ I said, ‘So do I.’ I guess it’s time to fix some bikes and quit listening to Stairway to Heaven.

LOL. I’d love to hang out at your shop some time.

436 HappyWarrior  Jun 30, 2015 10:07:11am

re: #429 The Vicious Babushka

Projecting like an IMAX==>

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Ugly human beings. Uh asshole, we’re not the ones who are bitching and moaning that our friends and family members who couldn’t get married before can now. If that makes me an ugly human being, that must make you Henry David Thoreau. Goddamn this little creep has no self-awareness at all.

437 Eclectic Cyborg  Jun 30, 2015 10:07:17am

re: #429 The Vicious Babushka

Ugh, he really is a terrible writer. Could only make it through three paragraphs.

438 The Vicious Babushka  Jun 30, 2015 10:07:46am

re: #430 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing

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Bring it on, derpnation!

Singing a song of angry men

439 wrenchwench  Jun 30, 2015 10:08:09am

re: #435 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing

LOL. I’d love to hang out at your shop some time.

The invitation is open. But I guess the location is not. Oh, well. It’s usually pretty quiet.

440 HappyWarrior  Jun 30, 2015 10:09:48am

Didn’t Ben become a father recently? You think he could find some joy in that instead of derping about “leftists”. Really dude, can’t stand you or your ideology but if you’re this miserable the week of your child’s birth, then I think you’re always going to be this miserable. I actually feel a little bad for him since if he’s this bitter and hateful now, I don’t want to think about how he’ll be as an old man.

441 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing  Jun 30, 2015 10:09:58am

re: #439 wrenchwench

The invitation is open. But I guess the location is not. Oh, well. It’s usually pretty quiet.

If I’m ever in Arizona again (it is AZ, right?) I’ll look you up. One of these days I plan to travel by CAR to all these places I’ve visited via airplane. :)

442 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 30, 2015 10:10:08am

Had to renew my driver’s license today.
I swear, the older I get, the goofier my photo becomes.

443 Khal Wimpo  Jun 30, 2015 10:10:17am

re: #427 The Vicious Babushka

TO THE BARRICADES!!!!!!

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Wow. Right-wing drama queens love their drama. They should just get honest with themselves and put on the spangly leotards & facepaint, and join the parade. Then again, their lifetime of anger, repression and self-loathing, their costumes might tend towards the Frazetta illustrations above.

Only for pudgy, whiny losers.

444 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing  Jun 30, 2015 10:10:56am

re: #440 HappyWarrior

Didn’t Ben become a father recently? You think he could find some joy in that instead of derping about “leftists”. Really dude, can’t stand you or your ideology but if you’re this miserable the week of your child’s birth, then I think you’re always going to be this miserable. I actually feel a little bad for him since if he’s this bitter and hateful now, I don’t want to think about how he’ll be as an old man.

Yeah, I don’t get keeping that much hate burning for so long. Seems it would eat you up.

445 The Vicious Babushka  Jun 30, 2015 10:11:03am

THE STUPIDEST MEME OF ALL TIME==>

446 Jayleia  Jun 30, 2015 10:11:57am

re: #442 Backwoods_Sleuth

The older I get the more felonious I look in my DL photos…

Next time I show a cop my ID, they’ll probably think I’m a 300lb black guy…better get some armor, just in case…

447 The Vicious Babushka  Jun 30, 2015 10:11:58am

re: #440 HappyWarrior

Didn’t Ben become a father recently? You think he could find some joy in that instead of derping about “leftists”. Really dude, can’t stand you or your ideology but if you’re this miserable the week of your child’s birth, then I think you’re always going to be this miserable. I actually feel a little bad for him since if he’s this bitter and hateful now, I don’t want to think about how he’ll be as an old man.

The day his daughter was born, he was on Twitter all day derping about Obama.

She will grow up to be a lesbian or marry a Black man.

448 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing  Jun 30, 2015 10:12:12am

re: #445 The Vicious Babushka

THE STUPIDEST MEME OF ALL TIME==>

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There’s still time!

449 The Vicious Babushka  Jun 30, 2015 10:12:58am

re: #448 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing

There’s still time!

WULVEREENS!!!!

450 HappyWarrior  Jun 30, 2015 10:13:01am

re: #444 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing

Yeah, I don’t get keeping that much hate burning for so long. Seems it would eat you up.

See Breitbart, Andrew. I actually feel a litlte bad since these guys really have no purpose it seems but to hate. Like for all their talk of religion, I never ever see Shapiro, Fischer, and those like them offer their thoughts to someone less well off than them. I don’t profess to be a Christian or even a religious man but most sincerely religious people I know do have genuine empathy for those not as well off as them. Instead Ben, Fischer, etc want us to feel sorry for bigots who can’t handle that other people have the same rights as straight people.

451 Higgs Boson's Mate  Jun 30, 2015 10:13:22am

re: #445 The Vicious Babushka

Oh, boy; an army of sodden drunks who need a 24X scope to hit the ground with their hat.

452 Timothy Watson  Jun 30, 2015 10:14:07am

re: #445 The Vicious Babushka

THE STUPIDEST MEME OF ALL TIME==>

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Because a Marine Corps fireteam does a lot of stalking. Fucking dipshits need to lay off the awful ’80s action movies.

453 HappyWarrior  Jun 30, 2015 10:14:07am

re: #447 The Vicious Babushka

The day his daughter was born, he was on Twitter all day derping about Obama.

She will grow up to be a lesbian or marry a Black man.

Yeah and that’s really sad. If I ever have a kid, no disrespect to you guys but that’s a politics off day. I don’t care if Ted Cruz is president. I am going to enjoy my child’s birth.

454 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing  Jun 30, 2015 10:15:13am

Jeez, these people!
Here's a Fairly Comprehensive List of Anti-Vaccination Celebrities
Charlie Sheen?! Really?! Like I’d take advice from Mr. Winning!

455 HappyWarrior  Jun 30, 2015 10:16:07am

Is that another phrasing of the meme “mere farmers with muskets took down the British empire.” I mean all respect to the Minutemen but we had help from two powerful empires (yes not just the French but the Spanish too and I’ll throw in the Dutch Republic as well) that helped defeat the British and really we didn’t even truly defeat them merely outlasted them.

456 CuriousLurker  Jun 30, 2015 10:16:45am

re: #368 HappyWarrior

Are you doing that because I’m curious about Lincoln Chaffee. Says he opened at GMU (my alma mater), I guess he opened at the Arlington smaller campus or near the law school.

Yes, I’m doing it, but I have no idea about which campus it was. Here’s a WaPo report on his announcement: washingtonpost.com

457 The Vicious Babushka  Jun 30, 2015 10:16:56am

THIS IS THE STUPIDEST MEME OF THE DAY==>
Libertarians just can’t figure out how that “roads” thing works.

458 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing  Jun 30, 2015 10:17:21am

Totally OT, but there’s a pretty good documentary on the Sirrachi factory on Amazon Prime. The founder DOES work 7 days a week.

459 HappyWarrior  Jun 30, 2015 10:17:46am

re: #454 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing

Jeez, these people!
Here’s a Fairly Comprehensive List of Anti-Vaccination Celebrities
Charlie Sheen?! Really?! Like I’d take advice from Mr. Winning!

The only one that makes me a little sad is Jim Carrey, I loved his movies as a kid. Quite a few Scientologists there- Jenna Elfman, Kirstie Alley, Danny Masterson(Hyde from that 70’s Show).

460 The Vicious Babushka  Jun 30, 2015 10:18:16am

re: #459 HappyWarrior

The only one that makes me a little sad is Jim Carrey, I loved his movies as a kid. Quite a few Scientologists there- Jenna Elfman, Kirstie Alley, Danny Masterson(Hyde from that 70’s Show).

Jim Carrey was married to Jenny McCarthy so we know where that comes from.

461 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing  Jun 30, 2015 10:18:58am

re: #459 HappyWarrior

I was kinda sad about Juliette Lewis. Didn’t know how much scientology had eaten up a lot of b-list actors.

462 Higgs Boson's Mate  Jun 30, 2015 10:19:30am

re: #454 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing

Jeez, these people!
Here’s a Fairly Comprehensive List of Anti-Vaccination Celebrities
Charlie Sheen?! Really?! Like I’d take advice from Mr. Winning!

The California state lege just passed one of the strongest vaccination bills in the country. The only exemptions are for children with medical problems that would make the vaccines dangerous to their health. There are no exemptions for personal or religious beliefs. It’s now on Gov. Brown’s desk. He has until July 13th to sign it.

463 HappyWarrior  Jun 30, 2015 10:20:39am

re: #456 CuriousLurker

Yes, I’m doing it, but I have no idea about which campus it was. Here’s a WaPo report on his announcement: washingtonpost.com

Excellent work. I was just curious honestly. Obama did a ton of events on campus. The only time I’ve ever seen Obama speak was at a pro-ACA rally and he joked that you (GMU) was probably getting tired of him. Keep up the good work. Oh and thank you even though I’m not a Christian for calling out Tardis for his bigotry regarding Christians and killing gays in that one page. I really wish he would stop doing that crap.

464 Jayleia  Jun 30, 2015 10:20:46am

re: #447 The Vicious Babushka

Go for the trifecta…a she’ll marry a black lesbian transwoman…and Ben will do this

465 HappyWarrior  Jun 30, 2015 10:21:22am

re: #460 The Vicious Babushka

Jim Carrey was married to Jenny McCarthy so we know where that comes from.

Yeah I know. I never expected him to be a big thinker or anything like but Dumb and Dumber is my favorite comedy of all time for many reasons.

466 The Vicious Babushka  Jun 30, 2015 10:22:47am

Hollywood celebrities, for the most part, are not good at anything other than pretending to be make-believe people. They don’t do Teh Science well.

467 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing  Jun 30, 2015 10:22:52am

re: #465 HappyWarrior

Yeah I know. I never expected him to be a big thinker or anything like but Dumb and Dumber is my favorite comedy of all time for many reasons.

Really? Because I can think of about 10 comedies that should qualify above D&D. Starting with “Blazing Saddles.”

468 HappyWarrior  Jun 30, 2015 10:23:03am

re: #457 The Vicious Babushka

THIS IS THE STUPIDEST MEME OF THE DAY==>
Libertarians just can’t figure out how that “roads” thing works.

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We had a time where there weren’t many publically funded roads in this country. And it was a time when Poopyface died of Cholera often on the Oregon Trail. Publically funded roads though go back as far the Romans maybe even further.

469 klys (maker of Silmarils)  Jun 30, 2015 10:23:25am

Seems relevant to this morning’s discussions, if any Lizards are interested:

470 HappyWarrior  Jun 30, 2015 10:23:52am

re: #467 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing

Really? Because I can think of about 10 comedies that should qualify above D&D. Starting with “Blazing Saddles.”

Favorite not the best. Remember, I’m a 90’s kid. But I love Blazing Saddles too and watched it again the other night. Harvey Korman is my favorite part of the movie.

471 Ace-o-aces  Jun 30, 2015 10:24:06am

Quote is from Ben’s own article: breitbart.com

472 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing  Jun 30, 2015 10:25:22am

re: #470 HappyWarrior

Favorite not the best. Remember, I’m a 90’s kid. But I love Blazing Saddles too and watched it again the other night. Harvey Korman is my favorite part of the movie.

Ahh. I have to admit, my comedy tastes were from 70s-80s. I just watched Super Troopers the other day for the first time. :)

ETA: Korman is cool, but nobody beats Gene Wilder!

473 The Vicious Babushka  Jun 30, 2015 10:25:34am

re: #468 HappyWarrior

We had a time where there weren’t many publically funded roads in this country. And it was a time when Poopyface died of Cholera often on the Oregon Trail. Publically funded roads though go back as far the Romans maybe even further.

“Robber Barons” did not build roads, they just blocked already-built roads and demanded tribute for right of way. That’s why they’re called “Robber Barons” and not “Road Building Barons”

Even the Mighty Railroads were built using government land grants and government protection through Native American lands. Oh, and cheap outsourced labor.

474 HappyWarrior  Jun 30, 2015 10:27:28am

re: #471 Ace-o-aces

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Quote is from Ben’s own article: breitbart.com

ISrael’s also been accepting gays openly in the military since Ben was a pimple faced youth. Seems to me all of our key allies: Britain, Canada, Israel are on board with LGBT rights while those we don’t like Russia, North Korea, Iran, China have more of a problem with them. Hmmmm Ben, may want to look at that.

475 Kragar  Jun 30, 2015 10:28:10am

re: #445 The Vicious Babushka

476 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jun 30, 2015 10:28:24am

re: #454 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing

Jeez, these people!
Here’s a Fairly Comprehensive List of Anti-Vaccination Celebrities
Charlie Sheen?! Really?! Like I’d take advice from Mr. Winning!

Jenna Elfman, Danny Masterson, and Juliette Lewis? Now that’s disappointing. No Mayim Bialik? I keep hoping Melissa McCarthy isn’t an antivaxxer like her cousin Jenny—seen nothing either way yet.

477 Ace-o-aces  Jun 30, 2015 10:28:24am

re: #474 HappyWarrior

ISrael’s also been accepting gays openly in the military since Ben was a pimple faced youth. Seems to me all of our key allies: Britain, Canada, Israel are on board with LGBT rights while those we don’t like Russia, North Korea, Iran, China have more of a problem with them. Hmmmm Ben, may want to look at that.

And remember, Ben sez real Jews oppose gay rights.

478 Mike Lamb  Jun 30, 2015 10:29:19am

re: #457 The Vicious Babushka

THIS IS THE STUPIDEST MEME OF THE DAY==>
Libertarians just can’t figure out how that “roads” thing works.

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The last part is actually fairly accurate. Leaving aside the need for standardization in roads, such as lane width requirements, reflective striping, etc., how does the libertarian propose that groups of taxpayers get together, determine what road is needed and where, provide specs for the project, ensure compatibility with other nearby groups of tax payers, contact the construction company etc.? Who gets nominated as the point person to do all of that?

Good lord, it’s absolutely no different than hiring a general contractor that subs out every aspect of the work.

479 HappyWarrior  Jun 30, 2015 10:30:30am

re: #472 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing

Ahh. I have to admit, my comedy tastes were from 70s-80s. I just watched Super Troopers the other day for the first time. :)

I do love Mel don’t get me wrong but I cannot watch D&D and not have nostalgic memories of being a kid. My best friend, one brother, his brother, and me even did some shorts that my Dad recorded on the camcorder called “Absolute Morons” that was definitely inspired by Jim Carrey and Jeff Daniels’ idiocy in that movie. We also play Orbison’s “Pretty Woman” which I first heard in that movie when we go over the Bay Bridge to go to the beach. My favorite Mel movie though is The Producers. I love anything that gets a good gag in at Hitler’s expense. A modern comedy I like though is In Bruges though. Planning to go there in a couple summers in part because of the movie.

480 HappyWarrior  Jun 30, 2015 10:31:44am

re: #477 Ace-o-aces

And remember, Ben sez real Jews oppose gay rights.

True, Ben has appointed himself Real Jew tm. Now what’s funny is antisemites love to point out Jewish involvement in liberal causes and use it to justify their antisemitism. And whether Ben wants to admit or not, these are his allies.

481 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing  Jun 30, 2015 10:32:17am

re: #479 HappyWarrior

I haven’t seen In Bruges yet. It’s on my list.

482 Bird in the Paw  Jun 30, 2015 10:33:28am

re: #457 The Vicious Babushka

THIS IS THE STUPIDEST MEME OF THE DAY==>
Libertarians just can’t figure out how that “roads” thing works.

Who will maintain the roads? That is the actual question. There is no libertarian incentive (and that is not really that high, either) to do anything other than half-ass lay pavement.

483 TedStriker  Jun 30, 2015 10:35:15am

re: #412 ObserverArt

Just read your comment. Very well stated. If I remember, was not part of the whole dust-up caused by Bruce Jenner becoming Caitlyn Jenner? I would think in that case what you are saying really strikes home.

How many people going through that kind of change have the big media presence, the money and the world watching it all happen. So, maybe the Jenner case can become the big tipping point that changes a lot of perceptions for everyone.

One thing I will say about justanotherhuman, she was sharp as a tack. You may have just pointed out something that flew over some heads.

Okay…later!

re: #423 klys (maker of Silmarils)

Agreed. Which is why when she said it was child abuse for parents to support their children if they expressed as trans, it set off a lot of backlash.

Just to provide the point that really touched a nerve for a lot of people.

I like JAH, but if that’s what they think of trans folks (especially male>female trans folks, such as fellow Lizard AED), then that’s a problem they have to deal with and no one else. By the comments from most about her, I don’t see any real animus against her personally; however, if JAH decided to pack it in from LGF for good over this, it’s all on them.

484 HappyWarrior  Jun 30, 2015 10:36:26am

re: #481 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing

I haven’t seen In Bruges yet. It’s on my list.

Please do. And if you like it, Seven Psychopaths and The Guard. I love the McDonagh brothers sense of humor. Martin directed In Bruges and Seven Psychopaths while John directed The Guard. It’s not just my strong liking of Celtic culture, those guys make some darkly funny movies. I still need to see Cavalry though.

485 Bird in the Paw  Jun 30, 2015 10:37:48am

re: #474 HappyWarrior

ISrael’s also been accepting gays openly in the military since as long as Ben was has been a a pimple faced youth. .

FTFY

486 HappyWarrior  Jun 30, 2015 10:41:27am

re: #485 Bird in the Paw

FTFY

Well he’s older than me but yes.

487 Bird in the Paw  Jun 30, 2015 10:42:49am

Does he look it?

488 wrenchwench  Jun 30, 2015 10:50:34am

re: #441 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing

If I’m ever in Arizona again (it is AZ, right?) I’ll look you up. One of these days I plan to travel by CAR to all these places I’ve visited via airplane. :)

NM. Keep going east, right?

489 Eventual Carrion  Jun 30, 2015 11:29:38am

re: #482 Bird in the Paw

Who will maintain the roads? That is the actual question. There is no libertarian incentive (and that is not really that high, either) to do anything other than half-ass lay pavement.

Which would last HALF a winter around here.

490 meteor  Jun 30, 2015 1:11:42pm

I think Ben Shapiro meant to say, “pointless lawsuits that will all fail.”

491 CriticalDragon1177  Jun 30, 2015 2:09:07pm

Aunty Entity Dragon,

My God, we’re dealing with truly sick people. We should be thankful that William Pierce and Harold Covington don’t have the ability to carry out their depraved fantasies to turn the world into an all white “Utopia.” Dylann Roof sure tried through when he murdered those poor people in that church. Hopefully his punishment will make other racist sickos like him think twice about trying to bring about the “race war” which thankfully will never happen.


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