Gov. Jerry Brown Signs Tough New Vaccination Law

No more non-medical exemptions for public school kids
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The Los Angeles Times reports that California Governor Jerry Brown has signed one of the nation’s toughest vaccination bills, mandating that children who attend public schools must be vaccinated against common diseases and that no non-medical exemptions will be allowed.

“The science is clear that vaccines dramatically protect children against a number of infectious and dangerous diseases,” Brown said in a statement released Tuesday. “While it’s true that no medical intervention is without risk, the evidence shows that immunization powerfully benefits and protects the community.”

Kudos are due to Gov. Brown for taking this step despite the vehement opposition from delusional anti-vaccination groups. Brown acknowledged the opposition:

The governor acknowledged that opponents to the measure expressed their positions with “eloquence and sincerity,” but he decided to sign the bill into law regardless because of the benefit to public health.

But I think he’s being way too kind. These irrational people aren’t just putting their own children at risk, they’re endangering other people’s children as well, and damaging the human species’ herd immunity in a way that will take many years to rebuild. It’s a destructive and dangerous movement that needs to be repudiated by more people, in no uncertain terms.

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1 darthstar  Jun 30, 2015 11:32:09am

Jerry Brown rocks.

2 HappyWarrior  Jun 30, 2015 11:32:42am

Jerry! Jerry! Seriously though. This is good.

3 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Jun 30, 2015 11:32:56am

When anti-Big Pharma, anti-Western Medicine moonbats join forces with anti-science, anti-Big Government wingnuts, we reach Critical Derp. It takes nothing less than legal action to pull us out of the tailspin they want to put us into.

4 klys (maker of Silmarils)  Jun 30, 2015 11:33:16am

Firmly in the science wins camp here.

5 Higgs Boson's Mate  Jun 30, 2015 11:33:37am

Brown’s encore performance as California’s governor is turning out to be a corker.

6 klys (maker of Silmarils)  Jun 30, 2015 11:34:31am

re: #5 Higgs Boson’s Mate

Brown’s encore performance as California’s governor is turning out to be a corker.

I missed the first round, but gotta say I haven’t minded this one.

Although they still should have named the new Bay Bridge after Emperor Norton.

7 lawhawk  Jun 30, 2015 11:35:17am

The same people who were complaining about mercury in vaccines apparently have no problem with the Supreme Court potentially torpedoing stringent new regulations that would have limited nationwide exposures to mercury via air pollution. Their silence over that is rather deafening considering that there is good science on the mercury exposure from air pollution and the links to illness.

Meanwhile, the whole opposition to vaccination is a personal belief not founded in science; if MS and WV could maintain a zero exemption but for medical reasons, so too can the rest of the country.

It’s a public health stance that should be national - no personal belief exemptions and no religious exemptions. The health of everyone in the nation benefits from these vaccinations.

And yes, I know that there are some percentage of people who get side effects from the vaccination itself, but the cost of those side effects is still less than that when an outbreak occurs of a wholly preventable illness like measles or whooping cough or chicken pox.

8 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 30, 2015 11:37:15am

re: #7 lawhawk

And mercury in water.
I just turned 63 years old and there has never been a time in my life when it was safe to eat fish taken from the Ohio River, thanks to all of the coal-fired power plants.

9 Dr. Matt  Jun 30, 2015 11:42:00am

re: #8 Backwoods_Sleuth

And mercury in water.
I just turned 63 years old and there has never been a time in my life when it was safe to eat fish taken from the Ohio River, thanks to all of the coal-fired power plants.

That’s just the taste of freedom in the water. //

10 The Vicious Babushka  Jun 30, 2015 11:42:19am

MOAR GOOD NEWS:
A ballerina who looks athletic, fit and strong, not an anorexic waif

11 Eclectic Cyborg  Jun 30, 2015 11:42:37am

Doesn’t this mean the rich anti-vaxxers can just find some sham Doctor who will gladly sign off on a “medical” exemption?

12 GlutenFreeJesus  Jun 30, 2015 11:43:22am

School children in California are now as safe as dogs in doggy daycare.

13 GlutenFreeJesus  Jun 30, 2015 11:43:55am

re: #11 Eclectic Cyborg

If those doctors want to risk their licenses and jail time, let them.

14 The Mountain That Blogs  Jun 30, 2015 11:44:16am

re: #11 Eclectic Cyborg

Doesn’t this mean the rich anti-vaxxers can just find some sham Doctor who will gladly sign off on a “medical” exemption?

Of course, but there will be far fewer of them, and in the end, that’s what matters.

15 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 30, 2015 11:44:47am
16 wrenchwench  Jun 30, 2015 11:44:50am

All the states the opponents could move to should take note and take precautions. Passing a similar law would be a good first step. Then education. I’m thinking some of the bordering states are most at risk. Oregon has a very low vaccination rate. Nevada and Arizona can’t be far behind.

From last March:

Legislation in Oregon and Washington state that would have made it harder for parents to opt out of vaccinating their children failed last week in the wake of the recent measles outbreak that began in nearby California.

The Washington bill, which would have outlawed parents from citing personal or philosophical beliefs to exempt their children from vaccine requirements, failed in the state House on Thursday after its author missed a key deadline, according to the Sacramento Bee.

A similar bill in Oregon, which also would have banned parents from using religion as an exemption, died Wednesday after its author, state Sen. Elizabeth Steiner Hayward (D), said she didn’t have enough votes.

[…]

17 klys (maker of Silmarils)  Jun 30, 2015 11:45:21am

As mr. klys pointed out when I shared the news, there will be the inevitable lawsuits.

I don’t think they’ll win, but I don’t doubt they’ll exist. Some of the parents pursuing the personal belief exemptions have deep pockets.

18 The Vicious Babushka  Jun 30, 2015 11:46:00am

How many high schools follow up and require boosters for all incoming freshmen?

Families that are diligent about vaccinating their infants and toddlers don’t always realize that boosters are required after 15 years.

19 withak  Jun 30, 2015 11:46:07am

re: #10 The Vicious Babushka

MOAR GOOD NEWS:
A ballerina who looks athletic, fit and strong, not an anorexic waif

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Thanks for this. My daughter dances, and is of the age where her body image is a concern. This will be great to show her.

20 klys (maker of Silmarils)  Jun 30, 2015 11:47:24am

re: #18 The Vicious Babushka

How many high schools follow up and require boosters for all incoming freshmen?

Families that are diligent about vaccinating their infants and toddlers don’t always realize that boosters are required after 15 years.

Most folks know that tetanus requires a booster, and these days the whooping cough booster is pretty much rolled into it.

It doesn’t help for everyone, but colleges also check vaccination records - mostly meningitis, but…

21 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jun 30, 2015 11:48:02am

I was afraid Jerry Brown would gut this measure with a signing statement like he did AB 2109, which required parents to be informed of the benefits of vaccination by a medical professional before being given a “personal belief” exemption.

I guess he deserves credit for not chickening out on this one, but maybe this law wouldn’t have been necessary if he hadn’t geeked the first time.

22 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jun 30, 2015 11:48:38am

re: #11 Eclectic Cyborg

Doesn’t this mean the rich anti-vaxxers can just find some sham Doctor who will gladly sign off on a “medical” exemption?

Jay Gordon and Bob Sears will get rich(er).

23 Higgs Boson's Mate  Jun 30, 2015 11:51:18am

re: #21 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

I think that Brown did the right thing with AB2109. For one thing, the anti-vaxxers’ minds were already made up. For another, it smelled to much like those Red state bills where they make a woman jump through a bunch of hoops before she can get an abortion.

24 Kragar  Jun 30, 2015 11:51:43am

re: #18 The Vicious Babushka

How many high schools follow up and require boosters for all incoming freshmen?

Families that are diligent about vaccinating their infants and toddlers don’t always realize that boosters are required after 15 years.

We got regular notices from our school district that we needed to submit our kids shot records (or the now defunct exemption waiver request) when they entered different grade levels. They wouldn’t even let the parents pick up the school orientation package for middle school last year if they didn’t submit the proper paperwork.

25 The Mountain That Blogs  Jun 30, 2015 11:52:22am

re: #17 klys (maker of Silmarils)

The sad part is, the Supreme Court upheld mandatory vaccination laws 110 years ago, and I’m not as confident that today’s court would.

26 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 30, 2015 11:53:06am
27 The Vicious Babushka  Jun 30, 2015 11:53:41am

So, have the crazies started saying that TEH VACCINASHUNS MAKE ARE CHILDRENS GHEY!!!!!

28 Teukka  Jun 30, 2015 11:53:55am

And I’m already hearing the whining about it beginning, everything from the “Big Government!” talking point to the “ZOMG! Bill Gates and Agenda 21 implementing sterilization plan”.

Oh, and just in passing, I thought I’d mention that I’ve already heard the occational “Big Pharma had him taken out!” in reference to the recent suicide of the anti-vaxxer Jeff Bradstreet…

29 funky chicken  Jun 30, 2015 11:55:14am

re: #3 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

When anti-Big Pharma, anti-Western Medicine moonbats join forces with anti-science, anti-BIg Government wingnuts, we reach Critical Derp. It takes nothing less than legal action to pull us out of the tailspin they want to put us into.

The good news is that many of these folks can afford private schools, and hopefully they will make the choice to send their kids to such places and stop tormenting teachers and staff at CA public schools.

30 Dr Lizardo  Jun 30, 2015 11:55:25am

re: #28 Teukka

And I’m already hearing the whining about it beginning, everything from the “Big Government!” talking point to the “ZOMG! Bill Gates and Agenda 21 implementing sterilization plan”.

Oh, and just in passing, I thought I’d mention that I’ve already heard the occational “Big Pharma had him taken out!” in reference to the recent suicide of the anti-vaxxer Jeff Bradstreet…

Quelle surprise.

31 Teukka  Jun 30, 2015 11:55:41am

re: #27 The Vicious Babushka

So, have the crazies started saying that TEH VACCINASHUNS MAKE ARE CHILDRENS GHEY!!!!!

Not yet to my knowledge. The “Gardasil makes our daughters sl*clang*s!” has been in full swing for quite some time tho.

32 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Jun 30, 2015 11:57:17am

I don’t think I’ve had a single regret in voting for Brown.

33 Higgs Boson's Mate  Jun 30, 2015 11:57:17am

re: #28 Teukka

Surprisingly enough, Bradstreet’s family has already set up an online fundraiser to enable “an exhaustive investigation into the possibility of foul play.”

34 Teukka  Jun 30, 2015 11:58:06am

re: #33 Higgs Boson’s Mate

Surprisingly enough, Bradstreet’s family has already set up an online fundraiser to enable “an exhaustive investigation into the possibility of foul play.”

My surprised face, let me show you it:

35 Ace-o-aces  Jun 30, 2015 11:58:31am
36 piratedan  Jun 30, 2015 11:59:24am

digitalblasphemy.com

completely unsolicited, one of my favorite places for wallpapers…

37 funky chicken  Jun 30, 2015 11:59:41am

re: #24 Kragar

We got regular notices from our school district that we needed to submit our kids shot records (or the now defunct exemption waiver request) when they entered different grade levels. They wouldn’t even let the parents pick up the school orientation package for middle school last year if they didn’t submit the proper paperwork.

That was our experience with middle school as well. My kids went to a middle school in Nevada that was educationally mediocre but had a seriously kick-ass school nurse who had to personally hound even me to get my daughter a booster for something. I asked if they gave exemptions just to give me a couple of weeks to get it done and she said she had approval to grant only medical exemptions, and they were very picky about those too.

High school? Kids didn’t need any boosters in high school.

38 Drive By Commenter  Jun 30, 2015 12:01:25pm

People forget don’t they?

I had a conversation with a younger guy at Costco gas pumps and he never heard of Iron Lungs. So I showed him. Let me show you. Polio is just one of so many vicious and heartbreaking diseases that immunization controls, but the know nothings know everything.

39 GlutenFreeJesus  Jun 30, 2015 12:01:31pm

re: #35 Ace-o-aces

40 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 30, 2015 12:01:40pm
41 Dave In Austin  Jun 30, 2015 12:05:57pm

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42 funky chicken  Jun 30, 2015 12:06:13pm

re: #17 klys (maker of Silmarils)

As mr. klys pointed out when I shared the news, there will be the inevitable lawsuits.

I don’t think they’ll win, but I don’t doubt they’ll exist. Some of the parents pursuing the personal belief exemptions have deep pockets.

Hopefully they will use the money to just pay for private school instead.

43 The Vicious Babushka  Jun 30, 2015 12:06:30pm

OFFS

44 Decatur Deb  Jun 30, 2015 12:08:34pm

re: #43 The Vicious Babushka

OFFS

“Slavery was a choice” Hmmm

Well, Massa got his choice of slaves.

45 b_sharp  Jun 30, 2015 12:08:39pm

re: #41 Dave In Austin

I’ve said that many times.

46 Decatur Deb  Jun 30, 2015 12:09:44pm

Baja Alabama getting raked by 70 mph straight-line winds and quarter-sized hail. Damn smiting goes off-range again.

47 wrenchwench  Jun 30, 2015 12:09:58pm

re: #43 The Vicious Babushka

OFFS

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She added that she believes “slavery was a choice, because of what Patrick Henry said, ‘Give me liberty, or give me death.’”

Look up the definition of ‘choice’.

48 Romantic Heretic  Jun 30, 2015 12:11:44pm

re: #43 The Vicious Babushka

OFFS

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Is her father Ben Carson perchance?

49 The Vicious Babushka  Jun 30, 2015 12:12:03pm

re: #47 wrenchwench

Look up the definition of ‘choice’.

I read the article and this young lady says the choice was like “cake or death” without the cake

50 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 30, 2015 12:12:34pm
51 Decatur Deb  Jun 30, 2015 12:13:03pm

re: #49 The Vicious Babushka

I read the article and this young lady says the choice was like “cake or death” without the cake

The choice is a lie.

52 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Jun 30, 2015 12:14:57pm

re: #50 Backwoods_Sleuth

what a pathetic, sad fuck…

53 Eclectic Cyborg  Jun 30, 2015 12:15:44pm

re: #50 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Jeff Amyx, who owns Amyx Hardware & Roofing Supplies in Grainger County, added the ‘No Gays Allowed’ sign because gay and lesbian couples are against his religion.

Amyx, who is also a baptist minister, said he realized Monday morning that homosexual people are not afraid to stand for what they believe in. He said it showed him that Christian people should be brave enough to stand for what they believe in.

“They gladly stand for what they believe in, why can’t I? They believe their way is right, I believe it’s wrong. But yet I’m going to take more persecution than them because I’m standing for what I believe in,” Amyx said

SMH

You should page that one.

54 Blind Frog Belly White  Jun 30, 2015 12:16:05pm

re: #43 The Vicious Babushka

OFFS

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Oh, well, if one black person is okay with the flag, clearly those millions of blacks who aren’t are just being too sensitive. They must be the real racists.

55 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jun 30, 2015 12:16:19pm

re: #29 funky chicken

The good news is that many of these folks can afford private schools, and hopefully they will make the choice to send their kids to such places and stop tormenting teachers and staff at CA public schools.

Unfortunately, this only effects admission to public schools. The vast majority of the public still remains to be infected by these asshats. In my opinion, there should be no exemptions of any kind, except in the extraordinarily rare cases where severe vaccine reactions are possible.

No, “soreness at the site of injection”, and “low-grade fever” are not “adverse events”. They’re barely events.

The unvaccinated should be kept out of public altogether. Remember that the last measles outbreak before Disneyland started in Bob Sears’ waiting room. I guess if they want to stay home they can’t be prevented from failing to vaccinate their kids, but that means no shopping—and if they have everything delivered, they should have to have a sign on their door warning delivery people that their house is a plague pit.

I’m sorry, but antivaxxers just push all my buttons….

56 klys (maker of Silmarils)  Jun 30, 2015 12:16:40pm
57 Blind Frog Belly White  Jun 30, 2015 12:17:20pm

re: #53 Eclectic Cyborg

SMH

Because what he believes in is persecution.

58 The Vicious Babushka  Jun 30, 2015 12:18:07pm

Wow what a dumb fuck==>

59 HappyWarrior  Jun 30, 2015 12:19:07pm

Slavery was a choice——————-to the slaveowners. In fact, there were people who were born into slave owning families like James Birney who ended up becoming abolitionists.
en.wikipedia.org

60 Kragar  Jun 30, 2015 12:19:12pm

re: #58 The Vicious Babushka

Wow what a dumb fuck==>

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I did not known the North enslaved the Irish.
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61 Decatur Deb  Jun 30, 2015 12:19:18pm

re: #58 The Vicious Babushka

Wow what a dumb fuck==>

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Not even wrong.

62 The Vicious Babushka  Jun 30, 2015 12:19:53pm
63 Decatur Deb  Jun 30, 2015 12:20:43pm

re: #60 Kragar

I did not known the North enslaved the Irish.

There was that unpleasantness with the San Patricios.

64 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing  Jun 30, 2015 12:21:02pm

Sorry, fell down a well:

65 HappyWarrior  Jun 30, 2015 12:21:28pm

re: #58 The Vicious Babushka

Wow what a dumb fuck==>

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Uh as an Irish-American, I have to ask what freedom was there for the Union Army to offer Irish-Americans? We weren’t enslaved and Lincoln while I think he sympathized with the Irish blight in Ireland had no power whatsoever to do anything in regards to British landlords treating Irish peasants like crap. We Irish-Americans were free. We were not enslaved like the African-Americans in the South. Life in 19th century Ireland was tough no doubt about it and that’s why my great great grandparents came here but we were not enslaved. especially once we got here. This kind of shit is insulting.

66 Targetpractice  Jun 30, 2015 12:21:59pm

re: #58 The Vicious Babushka

Wow what a dumb fuck==>

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Yeah, uh, no. The North didn’t draft black men because in a lot of folks eyes they weren’t citizens, but they didn’t bar them from serving as soldiers. The South did, as they didn’t feel comfortable with slaves or freemen having guns, so even if a black man could volunteer to fight, the most he could do was manual labor jobs that didn’t involve fighting. The Confederacy didn’t change that policy until March 1865, weeks before they surrendered.

67 Kragar  Jun 30, 2015 12:22:02pm

re: #62 The Vicious Babushka

68 HappyWarrior  Jun 30, 2015 12:22:53pm

re: #60 Kragar

I did not known the North enslaved the Irish.
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I’ve seen some dumb fucks try to claim that the Northern factories were just as bad if not worse than slavery. Huh sounds to me that someone is arguing for union rights and the right to organize. But as I said, Irish-Americans were free. My great grandparents were not slaves of the north. They were able to move freely.

69 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing  Jun 30, 2015 12:22:59pm

re: #65 HappyWarrior

Uh as an Irish-American, I have to ask what freedom was there for the Union Army to offer Irish-Americans? We weren’t enslaved and Lincoln while I think he sympathized with the Irish blight in Ireland had no power whatsoever to do anything in regards to British landlords treating Irish peasants like crap. We Irish-Americans were free. We were not enslaved like the African-Americans in the South. Life in 19th century Ireland was tough no doubt about it and that’s why my great great grandparents came here but we were not enslaved. especially once we got here. This kind of shit is insulting.

My gggggggggggparents (Scotch-Irish) were indentured servants. They weren’t exactly “free.” But they did get there eventually, without a war.

70 Skip Intro  Jun 30, 2015 12:24:58pm

re: #54 Blind Frog Belly White

Oh, well, if one black person is okay with the flag, clearly those millions of blacks who aren’t are just being too sensitive. They must be the real racists.

I have no doubt that if slavery came up as an issue before the Supremes, Scalia and Thomas would vote in favor of it.

71 ComradeDread  Jun 30, 2015 12:25:50pm

This will make me feel much better when I send my kids back to school in the Fall.

72 HappyWarrior  Jun 30, 2015 12:25:53pm

re: #70 Skip Intro

I have no doubt that if slavery came up as an issue before the Supremes, Scalia and Thomas would vote in favor of it.

Scalia admits he would have dissented on Brown. Not really much of a stretch honestly.

73 Targetpractice  Jun 30, 2015 12:26:04pm

re: #68 HappyWarrior

I’ve seen some dumb fucks try to claim that the Northern factories were just as bad if not worse than slavery. Huh sounds to me that someone is arguing for union rights and the right to organize. But as I said, Irish-Americans were free. My great grandparents were not slaves of the north. They were able to move freely.

Not to mention the “slaves” in the North were still citizens, even if they might be at the mercy of their employers. The slaves of the South were treated, legally as well as culturally, as little different from farm animals.

74 Drive By Commenter  Jun 30, 2015 12:26:19pm

re: #43 The Vicious Babushka

Poster child for stupid.

75 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 30, 2015 12:26:31pm
76 Ace-o-aces  Jun 30, 2015 12:26:50pm
77 Blind Frog Belly White  Jun 30, 2015 12:27:12pm

It’s like the argument that slavery wasn’t racist, because ther were black slaveowners. My usual response is to ask if they could own white people. That generally shuts them up

78 HappyWarrior  Jun 30, 2015 12:28:41pm

re: #69 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing

My gggggggggggparents (Scotch-Irish) were indentured servants. They weren’t exactly “free.” But they did get there eventually, without a war.

Cousin! But yeah I mean I won’t say Irish-Americans had it easy but we had it a hell of lot easier than African-Americans did. I mean it just bothers me that some Irish-Americans want to make the legitimate truth that our ancestors often had tougher lives than their WASP counterparts into “Hey you shouldn’t complain about the Confederate Flag and racism, black people.” It’s insulting. My ancestors came here on their own free will. They were not enslaved. They did not see their family forcefully separated, they had the freedom of mobility, etc.

79 HappyWarrior  Jun 30, 2015 12:29:21pm

re: #73 Targetpractice

Not to mention the “slaves” in the North were still citizens, even if they might be at the mercy of their employers. The slaves of the South were treated, legally as well as culturally, as little different from farm animals.

Exactly. Naturalized Irish-Americans could vote and had political pull.

80 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing  Jun 30, 2015 12:30:15pm

re: #78 HappyWarrior

Cousin! But yeah I mean I won’t say Irish-Americans had it easy but we had it a hell of lot easier than African-Americans did. I mean it just bothers me that some Irish-Americans want to make the legitimate truth that our ancestors often had tougher lives than their WASP counterparts into “Hey you shouldn’t complain about the Confederate Flag and racism, black people.” It’s insulting. My ancestors came here on their own free will. They were not enslaved. They did not see their family forcefully separated, they had the freedom of mobility, etc.

Word.

81 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing  Jun 30, 2015 12:30:36pm

LOL I’m caught in a classic comedy vortex!

82 Decatur Deb  Jun 30, 2015 12:30:38pm

re: #79 HappyWarrior

Exactly. Naturalized Irish-Americans could vote….

Several times, if they voted for Tweed.

83 HappyWarrior  Jun 30, 2015 12:31:24pm

re: #82 Decatur Deb

Several times, if they voted for Tweed.

Mine were voting for Tweed’s Pittsburgh counterpart. We got out of New York pretty quickly. The west but not far west called.

84 Aunty Entity Dragon  Jun 30, 2015 12:31:51pm

re: #7 lawhawk

The same people who were complaining about mercury in vaccines apparently have no problem with the Supreme Court potentially torpedoing stringent new regulations that would have limited nationwide exposures to mercury via air pollution. Their silence over that is rather deafening considering that there is good science on the mercury exposure from air pollution and the links to illness.

Meanwhile, the whole opposition to vaccination is a personal belief not founded in science; if MS and WV could maintain a zero exemption but for medical reasons, so too can the rest of the country.

It’s a public health stance that should be national - no personal belief exemptions and no religious exemptions. The health of everyone in the nation benefits from these vaccinations.

And yes, I know that there are some percentage of people who get side effects from the vaccination itself, but the cost of those side effects is still less than that when an outbreak occurs of a wholly preventable illness like measles or whooping cough or chicken pox.

Thimerosal is no longer in vaccine (which I think is a good thing) and there simply are no other rational objections to vaccination at this point. The Lancet study has been discounted, and there are no legit peer reviewed studies that can make a causal link bewteen vaccines and developmental problems.

85 Decatur Deb  Jun 30, 2015 12:32:34pm

re: #83 HappyWarrior

Mine were voting for Tweed’s Pittsburgh counterpart. We got out of New York pretty quickly. The west but not far west called.

Mine too, though a couple brothers made it to Chicago.

86 HappyWarrior  Jun 30, 2015 12:33:40pm

re: #85 Decatur Deb

Mine too, though a couple brothers made it to Chicago.

A good place to be- Chicago’s okay too.

87 Shiplord Kirel  Jun 30, 2015 12:34:29pm

Yet another triumph for the forces of reason and humanity.

The past week has the superstition/conspiracy axis reeling.

88 Aunty Entity Dragon  Jun 30, 2015 12:37:00pm

re: #10 The Vicious Babushka

MOAR GOOD NEWS:
A ballerina who looks athletic, fit and strong, not an anorexic waif

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Ballet Eddy Toussaint de Montréal has been known for using a wide array of body types in their dancers, and many American dancers have been both athletic and talented.

Oklahoma produced 5 amazing Native American women from different tribes who all became top flight ballerinas in the 20th century (ndepth.newsok.com) and who were not waifs. :)

89 Higgs Boson's Mate  Jun 30, 2015 12:37:14pm

re: #83 HappyWarrior

Mine were voting for Tweed’s Pittsburgh counterpart. We got out of New York pretty quickly. The west but not far west called.

I just finished, again, Thomas Pynchon’s Mason & Dixon and, historically speaking, it wasn’t that long ago that Philadelphia marked the boundary between civilization and the wilderness. The US westward expansion was a bit more than a montage.

90 Kragar  Jun 30, 2015 12:40:03pm

BREAKING EXCLUSIVE!

Its been 25 days since Chuckie J posted anything new to his blog.

91 Shiplord Kirel  Jun 30, 2015 12:40:44pm

re: #87 Shiplord Kirel

Yet another triumph for the forces of reason and humanity.

The past week has the superstition/conspiracy axis reeling.

The Choir of King’s College, Cambridge will now deliver the rest of my response to these developments:

92 Targetpractice  Jun 30, 2015 12:41:31pm

re: #90 Kragar

BREAKING EXCLUSIVE!

Its been 25 days since Chuckie J posted anything new to his blog.

Well, he’s deeply involved in the Summer of Justice, so he’s got no time for reporting. But don’t worry, soon he will bring Gawker to its knees, then who will be laughing?!

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93 HappyWarrior  Jun 30, 2015 12:42:18pm

re: #89 Higgs Boson’s Mate

I just finished, again, Thomas Pynchon’s Mason & Dixon and, historically speaking, it wasn’t that long ago that Philadelphia marked the boundary between civilization and the wilderness. The US westward expansion was a bit more than a montage.

Yeah Western Pa I’d say before the Lewis-Clark expedition was out there. I found out when I did my tree that my Gx4 Grandparents emigrated to Pa in around the mid 1790’s from Alsace. Looks like they were near Philly for a little while before they headed west since one of my great great great uncles is listed as being born fairly near Philly. I wonder what drew them west. I really had no idea about there being a French connection. I had thought that side was exclusively Irish. I doubt even my grandmother knew.

94 Ace-o-aces  Jun 30, 2015 12:42:32pm

re: #90 Kragar

BREAKING EXCLUSIVE!

Its been 25 days since Chuckie J posted anything new to his blog.

Well, it’s not like anything newsworthy has happened recently.

95 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing  Jun 30, 2015 12:42:34pm

Since I show his desk flip so much …

96 HappyWarrior  Jun 30, 2015 12:44:19pm

The story of humanity is ultimately one of mobility. When I learn about groups that emigrated here, I am always interested int seeing what kinds of places they went to in large numbers. It’s an interesting bit that the predominately rural Irish went to the cities.

97 Aunty Entity Dragon  Jun 30, 2015 12:44:52pm

re: #62 The Vicious Babushka

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That was Lord Dunbar’s Ethiopian Regiment. In practice, African American slaves and their families that made it to the Brit lines were bady neglected and potentially thousands died of smallpox and camp diseases. American forces who came across the camp site after the British left were said to have been aghast at the horror.

98 HappyWarrior  Jun 30, 2015 12:45:19pm

re: #90 Kragar

BREAKING EXCLUSIVE!

Its been 25 days since Chuckie J posted anything new to his blog.

Today was a good day times 25 and counting. I don’t miss his bigoted tweets at all. Now if only Ben Shapiro could find some way to shut himself up too hopefully not involving threats which was Chucky’s undoing.

99 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Jun 30, 2015 12:46:50pm

re: #96 HappyWarrior

The story of humanity is ultimately one of mobility. When I learn about groups that emigrated here, I am always interested int seeing what kinds of places they went to in large numbers. It’s an interesting bit that the predominately rural Irish went to the cities.

Just like Glasgow is full of displaced Highlanders

100 HappyWarrior  Jun 30, 2015 12:47:51pm

re: #97 Aunty Entity Dragon

That was Lord Dunbar’s Ethiopian Regiment. In practice, African American slaves and their families that made it to the Brit lines were bady neglected and potentially thousands died of smallpox and camp diseases. American forces who came across the camp site after the British left were said to have been aghast at the horror.

Dunmore. Not to be a pedant but giving the correct spelling if anyone wants to research more about it. Both the Brits and revolutionaries treated blacks like trash. If I were black then, I’d feel the same way I would if I were around the UK in the English Civil War, “Screw you guys, I’m getting out of here.” And that gets me to another note. That’s what really bothers me about the movie The Patriot. Gibson’s character (based off of Francis Marion, a racist and slave-owner- ad redundant I know) but anyhow, I hated how that film made him out to be an egalitarian in regards to the races.

101 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing  Jun 30, 2015 12:48:23pm

re: #98 HappyWarrior

Today was a good day times 25 and counting. I don’t miss his bigoted tweets at all. Now if only Ben Shapiro could find some way to shut himself up too hopefully not involving threats which was Chucky’s undoing.

I’m seriously worried that CCJ will do something really stupid and tragic. I will be glad to be proven wrong on that count.

102 Aunty Entity Dragon  Jun 30, 2015 12:48:32pm

re: #96 HappyWarrior

The story of humanity is ultimately one of mobility. When I learn about groups that emigrated here, I am always interested int seeing what kinds of places they went to in large numbers. It’s an interesting bit that the predominately rural Irish went to the cities.

Not always in a good way to be sure. The partition of India was one of the largest migrations in human history…and it was an unmitigated near-genocidal nightmare.

103 Aunty Entity Dragon  Jun 30, 2015 12:49:21pm

re: #100 HappyWarrior

Dunmore. Not to be a pedant but giving the correct spelling if anyone wants to research more about it. Both the Brits and revolutionaries treated blacks like trash. If I were black then, I’d feel the same way I would if I were around the UK in the English Civil War, “Screw you guys, I’m getting out of here.” And that gets me to another note. That’s what really bothers me about the movie The Patriot. Gibson’s character (based off of Francis Marion, a racist and slave-owner- ad redundant I know) but anyhow, I hated how that film made him out to be an egalitarian in regards to the races.

I am always bad with names in memory, and I did not have my books in front of me.

104 HappyWarrior  Jun 30, 2015 12:49:36pm

re: #99 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

Just like Glasgow is full of displaced Highlanders

Yeah things like that. I think one of the things I’d like to if I could ask my forebearers is “Why did you go where you went?” I know why my mom’s mom’s parents did. There was a huge Rusyn-Slovak community in johnstown. But Germans and Irish (Dad’s side) were going everywhere and I am much further removed from that emigrant generation.

105 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing  Jun 30, 2015 12:49:48pm

re: #100 HappyWarrior

Are there any good movies about Gen. Sherman anyone can recommend? (There’s a Francis Marion College in S.C. iirc).

106 HappyWarrior  Jun 30, 2015 12:50:05pm

re: #102 Aunty Entity Dragon

Not always in a good way to be sure. The partition of India was one of the largest migrations in human history…and it was an unmitigated near-genocidal nightmare.

No doubt.

107 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing  Jun 30, 2015 12:50:23pm

re: #102 Aunty Entity Dragon

Not always in a good way to be sure. The partition of India was one of the largest migrations in human history…and it was an unmitigated near-genocidal nightmare.

It still seems to be that way at times.

108 Aunty Entity Dragon  Jun 30, 2015 12:50:51pm

re: #100 HappyWarrior

Dunmore. Not to be a pedant but giving the correct spelling if anyone wants to research more about it. Both the Brits and revolutionaries treated blacks like trash. If I were black then, I’d feel the same way I would if I were around the UK in the English Civil War, “Screw you guys, I’m getting out of here.” And that gets me to another note. That’s what really bothers me about the movie The Patriot. Gibson’s character (based off of Francis Marion, a racist and slave-owner- ad redundant I know) but anyhow, I hated how that film made him out to be an egalitarian in regards to the races.

Also, a good source on how the Brits screwed African American who were repatriated after the war is Simon Schama’s Rough Crossings.

Nobody on the Amercan side or the British side comes out good at all.

109 funky chicken  Jun 30, 2015 12:51:10pm

re: #50 Backwoods_Sleuth

Jeff Amyx, who owns Amyx Hardware & Roofing Supplies in Grainger County, added the ‘No Gays Allowed’ sign because gay and lesbian couples are against his religion.

Have I missed the gay demonstrations calling for the criminalization of Baptists?

110 HappyWarrior  Jun 30, 2015 12:51:34pm

re: #105 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing

Are there any good movies about Gen. Sherman anyone can recommend? (There’s a Francis Marion College in S.C. iirc).

The best I saw on Sherman was a History Channel docudrama some years back. I don’t know of any bio-epics though there should be one- he was a brilliant general and way ahead of his times. Not the most enlightened person on race sadly (he was a bit of a bigot towards African-Americans even by 1860’s standards) but his life is a fascinating tale. His brother wrote the Sherman Anti-Trust Act too and I think both were raised as orphans.

111 piratedan  Jun 30, 2015 12:52:06pm

re: #109 funky chicken

they were not heavily covered by the media because no straights were allowed ///////////////////////

112 Blind Frog Belly White  Jun 30, 2015 12:52:11pm

re: #93 HappyWarrior

Yeah Western Pa I’d say before the Lewis-Clark expedition was out there.

Oh, I don’t know. I went to a college near Erie, founded in 1815, and my GG-grandfather was born in Pittsburgh in 1822.

113 HappyWarrior  Jun 30, 2015 12:52:47pm

re: #108 Aunty Entity Dragon

Also, a good source on how the Brits screwed African American who were repatriated after the war is Simon Schama’s Rough Crossings.

Nobody on the Amercan side or the British side comes out good at all.

I like Simon Schama. I loved his History of Britain series. But yeah not too many good guys in that and that is often the case in history. We want to believe in good guys and bad guys but history often tells the stories of people doing some not good things.

114 Skip Intro  Jun 30, 2015 12:52:57pm

re: #101 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing

I’m seriously worried that CCJ will do something really stupid and tragic. I will be glad to be proven wrong on that count.

Stupid is a given. Tragic, probably not. He’s just a chickenshit troll.

115 Higgs Boson's Mate  Jun 30, 2015 12:52:58pm

re: #93 HappyWarrior

Mason and Dixon spent 1763-1767 accurately surveying the border of Pennsylvania, among other things. That’s not very far West considering that it had been more than 140 years since Plymouth Rock.

116 Kragar  Jun 30, 2015 12:53:35pm

re: #105 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing

Are there any good movies about Gen. Sherman anyone can recommend? (There’s a Francis Marion College in S.C. iirc).

No movies, but I know a good book.

amazon.com

117 HappyWarrior  Jun 30, 2015 12:54:07pm

re: #112 Blind Frog Belly White

Oh, I don’t know. I went to a college near Erie, founded in 1815, and my GG-grandfather was born in Pittsburgh in 1822.

Lewis-Clark was 1803 though. Another thing about Pittsburgh and I didn’t know this until I did my tree but there used to be two cities. Allegheny and Pittsburgh. Before the two cities merged in I think the turn of the century, most of my family lived in Allegheny.

118 De Kolta Chair  Jun 30, 2015 12:54:36pm

re: #58 The Vicious Babushka

Wow what a dumb fuck==>

Yankee textbooks never mention the infamous anti-Irish “Green Camps” that dotted the Northeast in the 19th century. //

119 Aunty Entity Dragon  Jun 30, 2015 12:54:55pm

re: #113 HappyWarrior

I like Simon Schama. I loved his History of Britain series. But yeah not too many good guys in that and that is often the case in history. We want to believe in good guys and bad guys but history often tells the stories of people doing some not good things.

Schama’s Citizens was a major research aid in my paper on the Jacobins and the institutionalization of violence before and during the Terror.

Also, one of the most depressing and bloody things I have ever read. I had to put it down a couple times and walk away for a day.

120 HappyWarrior  Jun 30, 2015 12:56:55pm

re: #119 Aunty Entity Dragon

Schama’s Citizens was a major research aid in my paper on the Jacobins and the institutionalization of violence before and during the Terror.

Also, one of the most depressing and bloody things I have ever read. I had to put it down a couple times and walk away for a day.

I bet. I felt depressed reading about the pogroms in Russia. I was saying to Sergey a couple weeks or so back that I have no sympathy at all for Czar Nicholas II being executed. I hate the DP, I’d abolish it if I could but he really was a rotten guy. Talking about a man who condoned mass violent and rape of Jewish children by his subjects.

121 Decatur Deb  Jun 30, 2015 12:57:27pm

re: #112 Blind Frog Belly White

Oh, I don’t know. I went to a college near Erie, founded in 1815, and my GG-grandfather was born in Pittsburgh in 1822.

Someone in NYC said to me “Where ya from.”
“Pittsburgh”
“Oh, out west.”

That was in 1964.

122 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Jun 30, 2015 12:57:44pm

re: #105 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing

Are there any good movies about Gen. Sherman anyone can recommend? (There’s a Francis Marion College in S.C. iirc).

there’s an EL Doctorow book in which Sherman is a minor character, The March

123 HappyWarrior  Jun 30, 2015 12:58:23pm

re: #122 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

there’s an EL Doctorow book in which Sherman is a minor character, The March

My Dad read that. Quite good.

124 Kragar  Jun 30, 2015 12:59:36pm

“[Grant] stood by me when I was crazy, and I stood by him when he was drunk; and now, sir, we stand by each other always.” - W.T. Sherman

125 calochortus  Jun 30, 2015 1:00:23pm

re: #29 funky chicken

The good news is that many of these folks can afford private schools, and hopefully they will make the choice to send their kids to such places and stop tormenting teachers and staff at CA public schools.

That won’t help them. Vaccinations will be required for public and private schools, and for most daycare. Nannies and homeschooling are the only options.

126 blueraven  Jun 30, 2015 1:00:28pm

So Chris Christie is in and we get this scathing Op-Ed. Sweet!

By Tom Moran | Star-Ledger Editorial Board

Most Americans don’t know Chris Christie like I do, so it’s only natural to wonder what testimony I might offer after covering his every move for the last 14 years.

Is it his raw political talent? No, they can see that.

Is it his measurable failure to fix the economy, solve the budget crisis or even repair the crumbling bridges? No, his opponents will cover that if he ever gets traction.

My testimony amounts to a warning: Don’t believe a word the man says.

If you have the stomach for it, this column offers some greatest hits in Christie’s catalog of lies.

Don’t misunderstand me. They all lie, and I get that. But Christie does it with such audacity, and such frequency, that he stands out.

127 HappyWarrior  Jun 30, 2015 1:00:55pm

I am starting to respect Grant beyond his generalship more that I learn. I eman I know his presidency did have corruption problems but I have to give him credit for taking on the KKK and taking enforcing African-Americans rights seriously.

128 Ace-o-aces  Jun 30, 2015 1:02:40pm
129 Aunty Entity Dragon  Jun 30, 2015 1:03:56pm

re: #127 HappyWarrior

I am starting to respect Grant beyond his generalship more that I learn. I eman I know his presidency did have corruption problems but I have to give him credit for taking on the KKK and taking enforcing African-Americans rights seriously.

I have understood that much of his “failed President” legacy stemmed from largely Southern historians who had an axe to grind against him in the early and mid 20th Century and that an re-appraisal has been in the offing.

130 HappyWarrior  Jun 30, 2015 1:06:09pm

re: #129 Aunty Entity Dragon

I have understood that much of his “failed President” legacy stemmed from largely Southern historians who had an axe to grind against him in the early and mid 20th Century and that an re-appraisal has been in the offing.

That’s exactly why I’ve done a re-evaluation. I’d like to read Eric Foner’s perspective on Grant and the Grant presidency. He’s someone whose knowledge on the era is extensive, someone I respect, and someone who doesn’t have the Southern historian axe to grind.

131 De Kolta Chair  Jun 30, 2015 1:06:12pm

re: #105 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing

Are there any good movies about Gen. Sherman anyone can recommend? (There’s a Francis Marion College in S.C. iirc).

John Wayne played Sherman in John Ford’s Civil War segment of How The West Was Won, though he looked nothing like him and, as usual, he was playing “John Wayne.” Not a bad performance, come to think of it, maybe because he was directed by Ford.

Extra bit o’ trivia: The voice of Sherman in Ken Burns’ documentary The Civil War was that of playwright Arthur Miller.

132 klys (maker of Silmarils)  Jun 30, 2015 1:06:31pm
133 HappyWarrior  Jun 30, 2015 1:07:27pm

I am always doing re-evaluations though. I used to admire Churchill for example. Now I am not so sure how to feel about him. I do appreciate the wartime premiership but there’s a lot else to Winston Churchill and a lot of it is well not good. A fascinating and witty character but I’m on Team Attlee.

134 HappyWarrior  Jun 30, 2015 1:08:05pm

re: #131 De Kolta Chair

John Wayne played Sherman in John Ford’s Civil War segment of How The West Was Won, though he looked nothing like him and, as usual, he was playing “John Wayne.” Not a bad performance, come to think of it, maybe because he was directed by John Ford.

Extra bit o’ trivia: The voice of Sherman in Ken Burns’ documentary The Civil War was that of playwright Arthur Miller.

Arthur Miller for Sherman. Ididn’t know that. Interesting choice. Sam Waterston did Abe right? Voice over choices for people we have no sound records of always interest me for these documentaries.

135 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing  Jun 30, 2015 1:08:44pm

re: #131 De Kolta Chair

John Wayne played Sherman in John Ford’s Civil War segment of How The West Was Won, though he looked nothing like him and, as usual, he was playing “John Wayne.” Not a bad performance, come to think of it, maybe because he was directed by John Ford.

Extra bit o’ trivia: The voice of Sherman in Ken Burns’ documentary The Civil War was that of playwright Arthur Miller.

Wayne also played Ghengis Khan. I think I’ll pass on that one.

On other comments, I’ve grown more on Grant. He was a complicated human. And I think that rounds us back to the conversations from earlier today. :)

136 HappyWarrior  Jun 30, 2015 1:08:48pm

re: #132 klys (maker of Silmarils)

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137 klys (maker of Silmarils)  Jun 30, 2015 1:09:07pm

re: #136 HappyWarrior

You laughed though. Admit it.

138 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing  Jun 30, 2015 1:09:37pm

re: #134 HappyWarrior

Arthur Miller for Sherman. Ididn’t know that. Interesting choice. Sam Waterston did Abe right? Voice over choices for people we have no sound records of always interest me for these documentaries.

I’d like Waterson more if he wasn’t apparently an asshat in person. (I admit I may be getting him confused with someone else).

139 HappyWarrior  Jun 30, 2015 1:10:04pm

re: #135 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing

Wayne also played Ghengis Khan. I think I’ll pass on that one.

On other comments, I’ve grown more on Grant. He was a complicated human. And I think that rounds us back to the conversations from earlier today. :)

I’ve read that Grant hated the sight of blood, hated dirty jokes, and was so modest he would not change or bath in front of his men in his tent which was common for men of the day. I think I read one biographer describe his personality as “almost feminine.”

140 BlueSpotinAL  Jun 30, 2015 1:11:43pm

re: #124 Kragar

“[Grant] stood by me when I was crazy, and I stood by him when he was drunk; and now, sir, we stand by each other always.” - W.T. Sherman

US Grant had full confidence in Sherman, which could not be said of many other army commanders. Grant’s main fear near the end of the war was that Sherman would be taken down by a mini ball on Sherman’s march to the sea.

Also, in one of his letters Grant was complaining that the black soldiers had not been paid for 6 months (inferring that there had been sufficient money to pay the white soldiers for those same 6 months).

141 HappyWarrior  Jun 30, 2015 1:11:59pm

re: #138 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing

I’d like Waterson more if he wasn’t apparently an asshat in person. (I admit I may be getting him confused with someone else).

Is he supposed to be? I hadn’t heard that. I think Waterston was an interesting choice for Abe since Waterston I dunno just exudes Ivy League Northeastern WASP rather than Kentucky country boy but he does have a sort of high pitched voice which is what I heard Abe had but as I said, it’s difficult when you have no recordings. One of my favorite acting stories though is how Daniel Day-Lewis prepared for Bill the Butcher in Gangs of New York, he found a very old recording of Walt Whitman and based the New York accent he used on that.

142 HappyWarrior  Jun 30, 2015 1:12:35pm

re: #140 BlueSpotinAL

US Grant had full confidence in Sherman, which could not be said of many other army commanders. Grant’s main fear near the end of the war was that Sherman would be taken down by a mini ball on Sherman’s march to the sea.

Also, in one of his letters Grant was complaining that the black soldiers had not been paid for 6 months (inferring that there had been sufficient money to pay the white soldiers for those same 6 months).

Another plus one for Grant then and you too for that tidbit.

143 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 30, 2015 1:14:52pm
144 HappyWarrior  Jun 30, 2015 1:15:16pm

imdb.com
Full cast for Burns’ Civil War. Morgan Freeman for Frederick Douglass because of course.

145 HappyWarrior  Jun 30, 2015 1:15:56pm

re: #143 Backwoods_Sleuth

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146 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing  Jun 30, 2015 1:15:59pm

re: #141 HappyWarrior

Is he supposed to be? I hadn’t heard that. I think Waterston was an interesting choice for Abe since Waterston I dunno just exudes Northeastern WASP rather than Kentucky country boy but he does have a sort of high pitched voice which is what I heard Abe had but as I said, it’s difficult when you have no recordings. One of my favorite acting stories though is how Daniel Day-Lewis prepared for Bill the Butcher in Gangs of New York, he found a very old recording of Walt Whitman and based the New York accent he used on that.

I heard about that. DDL is the shit. He apparently has done a LOT of voice work, esp. on Abe Lincoln.

(again, if Waterson isn’t a wingnut, my apologies. I think I’d heard that once or twice. It’s hard to keep up)

147 wrenchwench  Jun 30, 2015 1:16:54pm

In other the same news, it’s raining.

148 HappyWarrior  Jun 30, 2015 1:17:41pm

re: #146 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing

I heard about that. DDL is the shit. He apparently has done a LOT of voice work, esp. on Abe Lincoln.

(again, if Waterson isn’t a wingnut, my apologies. I think I’d heard that once or twice. It’s hard to keep up)

I don’t think Waterston is right wing. He’s doing that new series with Lily Tomlin, Martin Sheen, and Jane Fonda and playing a husband of one of the two ladies who falls in love with Marty. I don’t know. I know he is friends with his former L&O co-star and former cure for insomnia err presidential candidate Fred Thompson but I don’t think Waterston is right wing. I may be wrong though.

149 De Kolta Chair  Jun 30, 2015 1:17:59pm

re: #134 HappyWarrior

Arthur Miller for Sherman. Ididn’t know that. Interesting choice. Sam Waterston did Abe right? Voice over choices for people we have no sound records of always interest me for these documentaries.

According to his contemporaries, Lincoln had a high tenor voice (as did Teddy Roosevelt, who’s own voice is on record).

But anyway, perhaps Waterston was chosen because of his height? ;-)

150 BlueSpotinAL  Jun 30, 2015 1:20:33pm

Just found out that the Ulysses S Grant presidential library is in the Mississippi State University library. Why did I not know about this?

151 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing  Jun 30, 2015 1:21:58pm

I think it might be Michael Moriarty who’s the wingnut. Again, I’m sorry about the screwup.

152 wrenchwench  Jun 30, 2015 1:22:02pm
153 HappyWarrior  Jun 30, 2015 1:22:08pm

re: #149 De Kolta Chair

According to his contemporaries, Lincoln had a high tenor voice (as did Teddy Roosevelt, who’s own voice is on record).

But anyway, perhaps Waterston was chosen because of his height? ;-)

I think it’s because he sounds presidential. Lincoln also reportedly sounded a bit country. Wonder if there’s any recording of his son but Robert Lincoln was Ivy League educated so probably sounded much different than his dad.

154 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing  Jun 30, 2015 1:22:18pm

re: #150 BlueSpotinAL

Just found out that the Ulysses S Grant presidential library is in the Mississippi State University library. Why did I not know about this?

Well, that’s awkward. :)

155 goddamnedfrank  Jun 30, 2015 1:22:38pm

Followup:

Daniel St. Pierre (@cybergenica) the Christian e-marketing scam artist behind the Juliana Carpentier (@julecarpentier) twitter account that pitched a fit last night over the Confederate Flag and dropped the n-word several times, has deleted @julecarpentier account. He’s also removed the page for the “Internet Marketing for Stay at Home Mom” book that he was selling under her pen name.

Some digging reveals that he doesn’t even own the book or have any association with the author. He was running a resale scam. Here’s a “review” article he wrote two years ago praising the book and pretending to link to a third party site for people to purchase it. If you look you can see that a bunch of assholes are all selling the same product on different sites, it’s like Amway for self help con artists.

156 HappyWarrior  Jun 30, 2015 1:23:01pm

re: #151 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing

I think it might be Michael Moriarty who’s the wingnut. Again, I’m sorry about the screwup.

It is yes and please don’t be sorry. Honest screw up on your part.

157 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing  Jun 30, 2015 1:23:23pm

re: #153 HappyWarrior

I think it’s because he sounds presidential. Lincoln also reportedly sounded a bit country. Wonder if there’s any recording of his son but Robert Lincoln was Ivy League educated so probably sounded much different than his dad.

Abe was all through Ky, Ind. and Ill., so his hick accent isn’t surprising.

158 withak  Jun 30, 2015 1:23:33pm

re: #148 HappyWarrior

I don’t think Waterston is right wing. He’s doing that new series with Lily Tomlin, Martin Sheen, and Jane Fonda and playing a husband of one of the two ladies who falls in love with Marty. I don’t know. I know he is friends with his former L&O co-star and former cure for insomnia err presidential candidate Fred Thompson but I don’t think Waterston is right wing. I may be wrong though.

I dunno, I don’t know if I can trust a guy that used to shill for a robot insurance company. ///

159 Eventual Carrion  Jun 30, 2015 1:23:38pm

re: #26 Backwoods_Sleuth

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I’m going to celebrate as soon as I get out of work at “Fuck this shit hour”.

160 goddamnedfrank  Jun 30, 2015 1:24:44pm

re: #152 wrenchwench

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Three policemen held out the flag and inspected it, grinning, acknowledging immediately that these were definitely dildos and butt plugs.

This guy is my new hero.

161 HappyWarrior  Jun 30, 2015 1:24:46pm

re: #157 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing

Abe was all through Ky, Ind. and Ill., so his hick accent isn’t surprising.

Not at all. I wish we could hear his voice so we can imagine it reading the Gettysburg Address.

162 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing  Jun 30, 2015 1:26:18pm

I’m listening to Cary Elwes talking about an Andre the Giant fart on the set of “The Princess Bride” and reading about Abe Lincoln’s accent. Oh, what a day.

163 HappyWarrior  Jun 30, 2015 1:26:19pm

re: #158 withak

Lol hey I didn’t say I’d have a beer with him just I doubt he’s right wing if he’s playing Jane Fonda’s former husband and Martin Sheen’s love interest.

164 HappyWarrior  Jun 30, 2015 1:27:02pm

re: #162 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing

I’m listening to Cary Elwes talking about an Andre the Giant fart on the set of “The Princess Bride” and reading about Abe Lincoln’s accent. Oh, what a day.

Isn’t this the best political blog for that very reason heh?

165 Kragar  Jun 30, 2015 1:27:20pm

They actually did it. Forgeworld actually put out a Warlord Class Titan.

Mein gott.

166 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing  Jun 30, 2015 1:28:40pm

re: #164 HappyWarrior

Isn’t this the best political blog for that very reason heh?

Andre the Giant sounded like he had more fun than anyone LOL

167 calochortus  Jun 30, 2015 1:29:20pm

re: #155 goddamnedfrank

His “review” is written in a remarkably illiterate style, isn’t it?

168 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing  Jun 30, 2015 1:29:22pm

In case anyone is interested:

169 wrenchwench  Jun 30, 2015 1:29:48pm
170 Kragar  Jun 30, 2015 1:30:38pm
171 De Kolta Chair  Jun 30, 2015 1:32:12pm
Henry Fonda in John Ford’s Young Mr. Lincoln (1939), which has been criticized for being unrealistic and for presenting history as myth, thus proving that some critics totally miss the point of the movie, which is about how Americans are inclined to make myths of our historical figures.
172 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing  Jun 30, 2015 1:34:58pm

re: #169 wrenchwench

Fucking geography, how does it work?

173 The Vicious Babushka  Jun 30, 2015 1:34:59pm

re: #88 Aunty Entity Dragon

Ballet Eddy Toussaint de Montréal has been known for using a wide array of body types in their dancers, and many American dancers have been both athletic and talented.

Oklahoma produced 5 amazing Native American women from different tribes who all became top flight ballerinas in the 20th century (ndepth.newsok.com) and who were not waifs. :)

Is Maria Tallchief still alive?

174 Decatur Deb  Jun 30, 2015 1:35:36pm

re: #169 wrenchwench

Just got a press release: “Dick Morris to Headline Award Ceremony that Honors the Best Political Consulting Work in Latin America & Spain”

The coveted Pinochet Cup?

175 Decatur Deb  Jun 30, 2015 1:36:11pm

re: #173 The Vicious Babushka

Is Maria Tallchief still alive?

Died in 2013.

176 The Vicious Babushka  Jun 30, 2015 1:37:07pm

re: #100 HappyWarrior

Dunmore. Not to be a pedant but giving the correct spelling if anyone wants to research more about it. Both the Brits and revolutionaries treated blacks like trash. If I were black then, I’d feel the same way I would if I were around the UK in the English Civil War, “Screw you guys, I’m getting out of here.” And that gets me to another note. That’s what really bothers me about the movie The Patriot. Gibson’s character (based off of Francis Marion, a racist and slave-owner- ad redundant I know) but anyhow, I hated how that film made him out to be an egalitarian in regards to the races.

That was a horrible movie. I mean apart from Mel Gibson sucking.

177 The Vicious Babushka  Jun 30, 2015 1:37:30pm

re: #175 Decatur Deb

Died in 2013.

I could have Googled that but figured somebody here would know.

178 klys (maker of Silmarils)  Jun 30, 2015 1:37:43pm

re: #165 Kragar

So what you’re saying is that your girls’ college fund has a new purpose?

;)

179 De Kolta Chair  Jun 30, 2015 1:39:33pm

re: #169 wrenchwench

Generalissimo Francisco Franco, still dead
180 Decatur Deb  Jun 30, 2015 1:40:01pm

re: #177 The Vicious Babushka

I could have Googled that but figured somebody here would know.

Checked her and Suzanne Farrell after your comment. (Saw Farrell w/Balanchine in Don Quixote when she was 16. You could walk over to Lincoln Center and grab no-show seats for a dollar.)

ed.
Oops, she was 19 then, had been a principal for 3 yrs.

181 Kragar  Jun 30, 2015 1:41:02pm

re: #178 klys (maker of Silmarils)

So what you’re saying is that your girls’ college fund has a new purpose?

;)

All I need is one Warlord…

and 2 Reaper class….

and the 6 Warhound class escorts…

and then of course I might as well go ahead and fill out the infantry support with a few Skitarri Maniples

Does anyone know where I can get a good return rate on my soul?

182 HappyWarrior  Jun 30, 2015 1:41:14pm

re: #176 The Vicious Babushka

That was a horrible movie. I mean apart from Mel Gibson sucking.

Yeah it really was.

183 wrenchwench  Jun 30, 2015 1:41:18pm

re: #174 Decatur Deb

The coveted Pinochet Cup?

Or the Hugo Chavez cup, I dunno. My friend I saw today spent the last year teaching in China, and the decade or so before this he was teaching in Venezuela. In between he lived here for a year, got his Venezuelan wife a visa, and now she is without a passport because they are so far behind in Venezuela. She’s working on her US citizenship.

184 klys (maker of Silmarils)  Jun 30, 2015 1:43:14pm

re: #181 Kragar

All I need is one Warlord…

and 2 Reaper class….

and the 6 Warhound class escorts…

and then of course I might as well go ahead and fill out the infantry support with a few Skitarri Maniples

Does anyone know where I can get a good return rate on my soul?

It’s good to have goals in life.

185 Jenner7  Jun 30, 2015 1:44:08pm

Yeesh.

186 Kragar  Jun 30, 2015 1:45:07pm
187 HappyWarrior  Jun 30, 2015 1:45:23pm

re: #185 Jenner7

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Yeesh.

Yeah that’s pretty much the argument. I’m sorry to sound so black and white but opposition to SSM is the modern Jim Crow.

188 HappyWarrior  Jun 30, 2015 1:45:58pm

re: #186 Kragar

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Haha couldn’t happen to a nicer pandering hack.

189 The Vicious Babushka  Jun 30, 2015 1:46:30pm

Another high speed California freeway chase

190 Targetpractice  Jun 30, 2015 1:46:57pm

re: #181 Kragar

All I need is one Warlord…

and 2 Reaper class….

and the 6 Warhound class escorts…

and then of course I might as well go ahead and fill out the infantry support with a few Skitarri Maniples

Does anyone know where I can get a good return rate on my soul?

I don’t know, but if you find out, let me know. I need to put a reserve on a few games and buy some upgrades for my PC.

191 The Mountain That Blogs  Jun 30, 2015 1:47:42pm

No one prominent enough to be doing a twitter Q&A should do a twitter Q&A

192 HappyWarrior  Jun 30, 2015 1:48:39pm

re: #191 The Mountain That Blogs

No one prominent enough to be doing a twitter Q&A should do a twitter Q&A

Just asking to be trolled imo

193 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 30, 2015 1:50:02pm

Everybody’s look when asking Bobby questions:

194 #FergusonFireside  Jun 30, 2015 1:50:29pm

re: #189 The Vicious Babushka

Another high speed California freeway chase

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They are going to hit fair traffic soon, I think. lol.

195 Kragar  Jun 30, 2015 1:50:40pm

re: #190 Targetpractice

I don’t know, but if you find out, let me know. I need to put a reserve on a few games and buy some upgrades for my PC.

I’m just going to have to settle for more realistic goals such as getting 4 more Rhinos and 3 Razorbacks together, though I might splurge and drop a few bucks for the assault cannon mods.

196 The Vicious Babushka  Jun 30, 2015 1:52:28pm

re: #194 #FergusonFireside

They are going to hit fair traffic soon, I think. lol.

Why can’t they set up a roadblock at the next exit?

197 goddamnedfrank  Jun 30, 2015 1:52:43pm

re: #165 Kragar

Don’t drop it. Also I’d wait for the alternate carapace weapons to be released. Those triple lasers make it look unbalanced.

These will look better.
198 klys (maker of Silmarils)  Jun 30, 2015 1:52:53pm

re: #196 The Vicious Babushka

Why can’t they set up a roadblock at the next exit?

They will, it’s called rush hour.

199 #FergusonFireside  Jun 30, 2015 1:53:32pm

re: #198 klys (maker of Silmarils)

They will, it’s called rush hour.

San Diego Fair traffic coming up.

200 Kragar  Jun 30, 2015 1:54:43pm

re: #197 goddamnedfrank

Don’t drop it. Also I’d wait for the alternate carapace weapons to be released. Those triple lasers make it look unbalanced.

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That goes without saying.

201 wrenchwench  Jun 30, 2015 1:56:11pm

re: #185 Jenner7

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Yeesh.

Now I know what this was about:

He did a bunch of them, finishing with this:

202 Khal Wimpo  Jun 30, 2015 1:56:40pm

re: #124 Kragar

“[Grant] stood by me when I was crazy, and I stood by him when he was drunk; and now, sir, we stand by each other always.” - W.T. Sherman

I knew about Grant’s drinking; know less about Sherman’s craziness (?). That, despite knowing a direct patrilineal descendant of Sherman’s. Wonderful, warm-hearted lady, who worked with immigrant kids in San Diego.

And then, every once in a while, something would come up that was unjust & unfair to kids, poor folks, or immigrants. And this gentle, loving woman would get an unholy light in her eyes, and a buzzsaw note in her voice. Her shoulders would square and posture stiffen. Basically, full-on combat mode: engaged.

Guess there were some characteristics that persisted through the generations.

203 #FergusonFireside  Jun 30, 2015 1:57:14pm

The cop on the motorcycle is an IDIOT

204 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Jun 30, 2015 1:57:42pm

re: #186 Kragar

A perfectly reasonable question.

205 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 30, 2015 1:59:55pm
206 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Jun 30, 2015 2:00:16pm

re: #201 wrenchwench

Now I know what this was about:

He did a bunch of them, finishing with this:

Carlos is going to town with these….

207 Lidane  Jun 30, 2015 2:00:39pm

re: #205 Backwoods_Sleuth

208 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Jun 30, 2015 2:02:02pm

re: #207 Lidane

J Jonah Jameson Laugh - Spiderman

I just upding whenever I see this pic

209 Kragar  Jun 30, 2015 2:02:13pm

re: #202 Khal Wimpo

I knew about Grant’s drinking; know less about Sherman’s craziness (?). That, despite knowing a direct patrilineal descendant of Sherman’s. Wonderful, warm-hearted lady, who worked with immigrant kids in San Diego.

And then, every once in a while, something would come up that was unjust & unfair to kids, poor folks, or immigrants. And this gentle, loving woman would get an unholy light in her eyes, and a buzzsaw note in her voice. Her shoulders would square and posture stiffen. Basically, full-on combat mode: engaged.

Guess there were some characteristics that persisted through the generations.

Based on his personal history, it sounds like Sherman suffered from stress and anxiety disorders, which led to him having a breakdown in the early months of the war.

210 Khal Wimpo  Jun 30, 2015 2:04:18pm

re: #162 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing

I’m listening to Cary Elwes talking about an Andre the Giant fart on the set of “The Princess Bride” and reading about Abe Lincoln’s accent. Oh, what a day.

Link to that Elwes podcast, please.

211 dholmes32  Jun 30, 2015 2:04:50pm

re: #143 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Oklahoma’s constitution is pretty clear on no aid, direct or indirect, to religion and could be distinguished from the US Supreme Court decision in a Texas case based on the U.S. Constitution.

That said, I will surely miss the schadenfreude that would have occurred from turning the Oklahoma state capitol grounds into a statue garden for the 10 Commandments, and the proposed Baphomet and Ganesh statues. The butthurt would have been spectacular.

212 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing  Jun 30, 2015 2:06:24pm

re: #210 Khal Wimpo

Link to that Elwes podcast, please.

As you wish ;)

213 goddamnedfrank  Jun 30, 2015 2:09:55pm

“Hip-hop has done more damage to young African-Americans than racism in recent years.”
-Geraldo Rivera being retarded.

214 Khal Wimpo  Jun 30, 2015 2:11:22pm

re: #212 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing

As you wish ;)
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+1 (and wish I could give more) for the apropos quote.

215 HappyWarrior  Jun 30, 2015 2:11:26pm

re: #213 goddamnedfrank

“Hip-hop has done more damage to young African-Americans than racism in recent years.”
-Geraldo Rivera being retarded.

Geraldo, seek help immediately fool.

216 HappyWarrior  Jun 30, 2015 2:12:07pm

No one bitches about country music glamorizing boozing, womanizing, etc. Hmm

217 Kragar  Jun 30, 2015 2:12:12pm

Sherman’s Demons

… during the first year of the war, on Nov. 9, 1861, General Sherman, paralyzed by depression, was relieved of his command in Kentucky at his own request. Five weeks later, the wire services proclaimed to the nation: GENERAL WILLIAM T. SHERMAN INSANE. Just after his participation in the Civil War had begun, Sherman’s service was nearly destroyed.

As all students of the war know, he came back and soared to prominence, but his mental collapse and his recovery, unusually well documented, present a riveting example of the understanding of depressive illness in the Victorian world, and the relationship of bipolar illness to creativity and inspired leadership during difficult times, which Sherman certainly demonstrated later in the war.

As was true of Ulysses S. Grant, Sherman’s prewar life had careened from failure to failure. But where Grant self-medicated his frustrations with drink and retreated into stoic silence, Sherman experienced erratic emotional ups and downs that he shared with his friends and family in a manner that only intensified his self-laceration.

218 wrenchwench  Jun 30, 2015 2:12:46pm
219 Kragar  Jun 30, 2015 2:13:26pm
220 HappyWarrior  Jun 30, 2015 2:14:24pm

re: #218 wrenchwench

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Love it when white people try to whites plain Rosa Parks and MLK’s significance to black people.

221 Higgs Boson's Mate  Jun 30, 2015 2:14:39pm

re: #213 goddamnedfrank

“Hip-hop has done more damage to young African-Americans than racism in recent years.”
-Geraldo Rivera being retarded.

I’ve been around long enough to remember when Elvis burst on the scene. Some people were saying the same kind of bs about rock and/or roll and how it would destroy the moral fiber of young people generally. The wingnuts of the day were convinced that Elvis was a commie who would lead clean-living American youth into heavy petting and Who Knows What.

222 goddamnedfrank  Jun 30, 2015 2:14:46pm
223 HappyWarrior  Jun 30, 2015 2:15:12pm
224 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Jun 30, 2015 2:15:46pm

vaccination

cows have too much influence in american society

if i have to have vaccination shoved down my throat, surely the left intends to stamp out any vestige of dissent and america ends forever today just like it ended forever today on so many other days recently

225 HappyWarrior  Jun 30, 2015 2:15:55pm

re: #221 Higgs Boson’s Mate

I’ve been around long enough to remember when Elvis burst on the scene. Some people were saying the same kind of bs about rock and/or roll and how it would destroy the moral fiber of young people generally. The wingnuts of the day were convinced that Elvis was a commie who would lead clean-living American youth into heavy petting and Who Knows What.

They were saying that about any music that wasn’t gospel too.

226 Decatur Deb  Jun 30, 2015 2:16:24pm

re: #218 wrenchwench

re: #220 HappyWarrior

That whole exchange is sinking into confusion.

227 The Vicious Babushka  Jun 30, 2015 2:16:37pm

re: #220 HappyWarrior

Love it when white people try to whites plain Rosa Parks and MLK’s significance to black people.

Bree Newsome is totally like MLK and Rosa Parks, but WAY MOAR BADASS.

228 The Vicious Babushka  Jun 30, 2015 2:17:14pm

Dumbass in my timeline==>

229 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Jun 30, 2015 2:17:21pm

re: #213 goddamnedfrank

“Hip-hop has done more damage to young African-Americans than racism in recent years.”
-Geraldo Rivera being retarded.

Does Rivera know what hip hop is?

230 The Vicious Babushka  Jun 30, 2015 2:17:35pm
231 Jenner7  Jun 30, 2015 2:17:44pm

re: #212 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing

“….this titanic fart…”

lol

232 wrenchwench  Jun 30, 2015 2:18:15pm

re: #224 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸

Welcome back!

233 The Vicious Babushka  Jun 30, 2015 2:18:41pm

California high speed highway chase is over, driver in custody. How did they think this was going to end? They were heading for the border where there’s like a bazillion cars all lined up.

234 HappyWarrior  Jun 30, 2015 2:18:43pm

re: #228 The Vicious Babushka

Dumbass in my timeline==>

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Lol and the tooth fairy is real. The republicans only want small govt and taxes for the wealthy.

235 HappyWarrior  Jun 30, 2015 2:19:09pm

re: #229 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse

Does Rivera know what hip hop is?

Of course not.

236 Decatur Deb  Jun 30, 2015 2:19:26pm

re: #225 HappyWarrior

They were saying that about any music that wasn’t gospel too.

Our boarding (cough—reform) school had 2nd-run movies every Friday night. We showed Rock Around the Clock a few months after it was released. Our nuns were unusually cool.

237 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Jun 30, 2015 2:19:58pm

Is it Friday yet? Or Thursday?

238 wrenchwench  Jun 30, 2015 2:20:44pm

re: #237 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse

Is it Friday yet? Or Thursday?

Feels like both.

239 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing  Jun 30, 2015 2:20:47pm

re: #227 The Vicious Babushka

Bree Newsome is totally like MLK and Rosa Parks, but WAY MOAR BADASS.

Embedded Image

I’m not sure she’s more badass, but i think she’s in the same gallery.

240 Decatur Deb  Jun 30, 2015 2:21:17pm

re: #227 The Vicious Babushka

Bree Newsome is totally like MLK and Rosa Parks, but WAY MOAR BADASS.

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Way cool in her own way, but she knew she wouldn’t be beat to death in jail—because of Parks and MLK.

241 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Jun 30, 2015 2:21:31pm

re: #232 wrenchwench

Welcome back!

why, thank you!

242 HappyWarrior  Jun 30, 2015 2:21:32pm

re: #236 Decatur Deb

Our boarding (cough—reform) school had 2nd-run movies every Friday night. We showed Rock Around the Clock a few months after it was released. Our nuns were unusually cool.

My dad probably would have liked to have nuns like that.

243 HappyWarrior  Jun 30, 2015 2:22:03pm

re: #239 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing

I’m not sure she’s more badass, but i think she’s in the same gallery.

Agree.

244 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing  Jun 30, 2015 2:22:19pm

re: #231 Jenner7

“….this titanic fart…”

lol

Wasn’t that cool?

245 goddamnedfrank  Jun 30, 2015 2:22:51pm

re: #229 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse

Does Rivera know what hip hop is?

Well, I could be wrong, but I believe hip hop is an old, old wooden ship that was used during the Civil War era.

246 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing  Jun 30, 2015 2:23:23pm

re: #245 goddamnedfrank

Well, I could be wrong, but I believe hip hop is an old, old wooden ship that was used during the Civil War era.

LOL

247 freetoken  Jun 30, 2015 2:24:53pm

Wow, it’s raining here, which is unusual for June 30th.

Even more unusual is that this isn’t a Pacific storm, but due to strong monsoonal flow. Very weird for June, it’s something we might see in September on rare occasions.

The past 36 months or so has been very atypical weather here in San Diego at times.

248 klys (maker of Silmarils)  Jun 30, 2015 2:25:52pm

re: #247 freetoken

Wow, it’s raining here, which is unusual for June 30th.

Even more unusual is that this isn’t a Pacific storm, but due to strong monsoonal flow. Very weird for June, it’s something we might see in September on rare occasions.

The past 36 months or so has been very atypical weather here in San Diego at times.

You’re imagining things, there’s nothing wrong with the weather.

Why, it snowed in DC in March!

////

249 HappyWarrior  Jun 30, 2015 2:26:18pm

Ain’t nothing like a hip hop thing for old conservatives to show why they are clueless about race.

250 HappyWarrior  Jun 30, 2015 2:27:02pm

re: #248 klys (maker of Silmarils)

You’re imagining things, there’s nothing wrong with the weather.

Why, it snowed in DC in March!

////

It’s true, Senator Snowball, R brought one out and global warming ended that day.

251 freetoken  Jun 30, 2015 2:28:04pm

Water vapor loop tells the story:

weather.gov

252 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing  Jun 30, 2015 2:29:07pm

re: #217 Kragar

Sherman’s Demons

Thanks for this!

253 #FergusonFireside  Jun 30, 2015 2:32:43pm

re: #247 freetoken

Wow, it’s raining here, which is unusual for June 30th.

Even more unusual is that this isn’t a Pacific storm, but due to strong monsoonal flow. Very weird for June, it’s something we might see in September on rare occasions.

The past 36 months or so has been very atypical weather here in San Diego at times.

I am hearing thunder. It’s been probably a year or so.

254 klys (maker of Silmarils)  Jun 30, 2015 2:39:57pm

re: #253 #FergusonFireside

I am hearing thunder. It’s been probably a year or so.

I am convinced the universe hates me.

255 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jun 30, 2015 2:40:01pm

re: #209 Kragar

Based on his personal history, it sounds like Sherman suffered from stress and anxiety disorders, which led to him having a breakdown in the early months of the war.

Well, his superiors thought he was having a breakdown when he said it would take 250,000 men to secure the Mississippi Valley alone. They sent him on leave to settle his nerves. That’s what he meant about “When I was crazy….”

256 whitebeach  Jun 30, 2015 2:45:43pm

re: #221 Higgs Boson’s Mate

I’ve been around long enough to remember when Elvis burst on the scene. Some people were saying the same kind of bs about rock and/or roll and how it would destroy the moral fiber of young people generally. The wingnuts of the day were convinced that Elvis was a commie who would lead clean-living American youth into heavy petting and Who Knows What.

Where I grew up the elders derided Elvis and other rockers for perpetrating “colored music” (“colored” being pronounced with an N and a couple of G’s ). This must have bemused black folks who had heard Willie Mae Thornton sing “Hound Dog” long before Elvis’s pale imitation.

257 The Vicious Babushka  Jun 30, 2015 2:50:03pm

Such Presidential. Very leadership.

258 Snarknado!  Jun 30, 2015 3:07:07pm

re: #42 funky chicken

Hopefully they will use the money to just pay for private school instead.

Someone may have mentioned this already, but private schools are included in the law. Have to be tutors.

259 worldknot  Jun 30, 2015 3:10:02pm

re: #256 whitebeach

Where I grew up the elders derided Elvis and other rockers for perpetrating “colored music” (“colored” being pronounced with an N and a couple of G’s ). This must have bemused black folks who had heard Willie Mae Thornton sing “Hound Dog” long before Elvis’s pale imitation.

To be fair, Jerry Lieber and Mike Stoller wrote the tune.


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