Video: When Chris Squire of Yes Met Jimi Hendrix

“This guy’s got this awful band that no one’s gonna come and see”
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I’m still having a hard time believing Chris Squire is gone. But I stumbled across this interview on YouTube, with Chris talking about his chance meeting with Jimi Hendrix way back when he was a struggling musician, and I wanted to share it with you because it’s a great story.

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1 Drive By Commenter  Jul 4, 2015 6:53:49pm

Jimi took the world by surprise. When others figured it out, he was gone.

2 Amory Blaine  Jul 4, 2015 6:54:37pm

So the other night I was drinking, then I went shopping on line…

3 Charles Johnson  Jul 4, 2015 7:07:18pm
4 jaunte  Jul 4, 2015 7:17:10pm

Caption time.

5 A Cranky One  Jul 4, 2015 7:22:13pm

Thanks for posting this Charles. Great story.

Been listening to a lot of old Yes since hearing the news. Glad that we have recordings to preserve the legacy and sound of modern musicians who’ve died. Even nicer, a lot of the back story such as the anecdote above is preserved.

I’ve wish we had recordings of some of the greats of the past. Love to hear what Paganinni, Franz Liszt, J.S. Bach, etc. actually sounded like when performing. Instead, all we’ll ever have are basically covers. Pity.

6 A Cranky One  Jul 4, 2015 7:34:04pm

Happy Independence Day to all US lizards. Be safe, keep your pets calm and safe and have a great day.

7 #FergusonFireside  Jul 4, 2015 7:43:13pm

I’m on a chocolate kick. Making brownies.

Happy 4th!

8 stpaulbear  Jul 4, 2015 7:58:01pm

I watched that clip with Squire and I wondered if I could find anything similar with Bill Bruford. I found a 45 minute interview with him and the main thing I came away with is that Bill Bruford is kind of a dick and a snob. He could hardly contain his contempt for the woman conducting the interview. Bummer.

9 #FergusonFireside  Jul 4, 2015 7:58:11pm

Annnd just stumbled upon The Twilight Zone marathon.

eh, yeah.

10 A Cranky One  Jul 4, 2015 8:04:28pm

Since Bill Buford was mentioned, we have a tie to King Crimson. Here is an interview with Robert Fripp describing his meeting with Jimi Hendrix.

11 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Jul 4, 2015 8:13:58pm

While you’re watching those fireworks, remember where most of them came from — China.

Liuyang, Hunan, China is a fireworks manufacturing mecca about 9 hours from here. I’ve been there. The fireworks factories are widely spaced apart, far enough so that if one goes ka-blooey, it doesn’t take anyone else with it.

They learned from experience, I’m told.

12 The Vicious Babushka  Jul 4, 2015 8:16:16pm

Please report this abusive racist asshole==>

13 teleskiguy  Jul 4, 2015 8:27:28pm

re: #11 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

While you’re watching those fireworks, remember where most of them came from — China.

Liuyang, Hunan, China is a fireworks manufacturing mecca about 9 hours from here. I’ve been there. The fireworks factories are widely spaced apart, far enough so that if one goes ka-blooey, it doesn’t take anyone else with it.

They learned from experience, I’m told.

QFT

This is some of that human knowledge that is valuable, useful, life-saving, and altogether quite mundane.

Thanks for this little fact, wheatdogg! Fascinating.

14 SteelPH  Jul 4, 2015 8:27:33pm

re: #12 The Vicious Babushka

Done.

15 #FergusonFireside  Jul 4, 2015 8:28:07pm

Just saw this

16 BeachDem  Jul 4, 2015 8:30:11pm

Damn, missed the first 1/2 hour of “An Hour with Bobby Jindal” on Fox!
///

17 #FergusonFireside  Jul 4, 2015 8:32:10pm

Listen to the Prez. At the end he yells GO TEAM USA tomorrow.

18 teleskiguy  Jul 4, 2015 8:33:32pm

re: #12 The Vicious Babushka

Went ahead and reported, clicked on “abusive and/or disrespectful.”

Man, trolls on the internet.

Internet is a VERY NEW thing in the human experience. Internet trolls are an ugly aspect that we don’t exactly know how to deal with. Because this shit is so VERY NEW to the human experience.

19 BeachDem  Jul 4, 2015 8:37:24pm

“The Midnight Sun,” one of my favorite Twilight Zone episodes is on at midnight EDT (SyFy.)

20 b_sharp  Jul 4, 2015 8:37:41pm

re: #7 #FergusonFireside

I’m on a chocolate kick. Making brownies.

Happy 4th!

I’m eating chocolate coated raisins.

21 The Vicious Babushka  Jul 4, 2015 8:37:55pm
22 teleskiguy  Jul 4, 2015 8:40:33pm

re: #18 teleskiguy

I like the way things are dealt with around here at LGF, and I’ve been reading the blog for over a decade. Charles has said here and on Twitter that the absolutist free speech paradigm we’re dealing with 224 years after the ratification of the First Amendment needs to be examined and thought about more.

Hateful, hurtful and sometimes specifically explicit violent speech is protected, to a degree. Where’s the line?

23 teleskiguy  Jul 4, 2015 8:43:53pm

re: #21 The Vicious Babushka

Love Michelle’s dress! Wow! Really.

She is a cool, graceful First Lady. She’ll be a model for First Ladies decades from now (as long as the Republic is still around. *snark*).

24 The Vicious Babushka  Jul 4, 2015 8:44:49pm
25 Eclectic Cyborg  Jul 4, 2015 8:45:59pm

Michelle has one heck of a body for a 51 year old.

26 BeachDem  Jul 4, 2015 8:52:16pm

re: #22 teleskiguy

Hateful, hurtful and sometimes specifically explicit violent speech is protected, to a degree. Where’s the line?

Since I’m in a Twilight Zone mood, from “The Monsters Are Due on Maple Street”—

The tools of conquest do not necessarily come with bombs and explosions and fallout. There are weapons that are simply thoughts, attitudes, prejudices to be found only in the minds of men. For the record, prejudices can kill, and suspicion can destroy, and a thoughtless frightened search for a scapegoat has a fallout all of its own for the children, and the children yet unborn. And the pity of it is that these things cannot be confined to the Twilight Zone.

27 Mattand  Jul 4, 2015 8:55:44pm

Running late as usual, but hope everyone had a great 4th of July. 10 miles away, and I can hear the fireworks going off over Philly!

28 RealityBasedSteve  Jul 4, 2015 8:56:07pm

I posted this on the dead thread downstairs… I’ll repost here.

Back from the 4th Party. The rice pudding was a success, and I helped blow off what was probably 3000 - 4000 bucks of fireworks. I have no idea how the show looked, I was running to boxes with a lighter, hit the fuse, then scurry off to the next box to await the sign to light it.

Ears are ringing slightly, my back is sore from volleyball (I play poorly but with little regard for my welfare), I smell of sulfur smoke. In other words, I’m a happy lizard.

RBS

29 Kid A  Jul 4, 2015 8:58:58pm

re: #12 The Vicious Babushka

Ah, yes. I see the word “feral” has been gaining a lot of traction with the wingnuts lately.

30 Kid A  Jul 4, 2015 9:00:43pm

re: #4 jaunte

“Dude, get a decent haircut.”

31 teleskiguy  Jul 4, 2015 9:01:28pm

re: #26 BeachDem

Since I’m in a Twilight Zone mood, from “The Monsters Are Due on Maple Street”—

The tools of conquest do not necessarily come with bombs and explosions and fallout. There are weapons that are simply thoughts, attitudes, prejudices to be found only in the minds of men. For the record, prejudices can kill, and suspicion can destroy, and a thoughtless frightened search for a scapegoat has a fallout all of its own for the children, and the children yet unborn. And the pity of it is that these things cannot be confined to the Twilight Zone.

32 stpaulbear  Jul 4, 2015 9:02:38pm

re: #27 Mattand

Running late as usual, but hope everyone had a great 4th of July. 10 miles away, and I can hear the fireworks going off over Philly!

I wish the fireworks were 10 miles away here. I have a feeling that it’s going to keep on until 1-2 am. This is one of my least favorite holidays.

33 RealityBasedSteve  Jul 4, 2015 9:09:25pm
Entire Tenn. county clerk’s office resigns over same-sex marriage licenses

DECATUR COUNTY, Tenn. (WKRN) - The employees of the Decatur County clerk’s office in west Tennessee have resigned from their positions.
Clerk Gwen Pope and employees Sharon Bell and Mickey Butler all said their resignations was due to the Supreme Court’s decision to allow same-sex marriages.
The decision reportedly clashes with the employees’ religious beliefs. Their last day will be July 14.
Currently, the Decatur County’s clerk office will not issue a same-sex license.
Just Wednesday, the Associated Press reported all 95 counties in Tennessee are following last week’s U.S. Supreme Court ruling that overturned bans on same-sex marriage. Clerks are legally allowed to refuse to perform the marriages, but must issue the licenses.

wkrn.com

At least they are doing what is, in my mind, the appropriate action. Please go ahead and resign if you can’t do the duty you’re being paid to do. I’m sure that there will be others who can fill the slot.

RBS

34 Mattand  Jul 4, 2015 9:10:49pm

re: #33 RealityBasedSteve

At least they are doing what is, in my mind, the appropriate action. Please go ahead and resign if you can’t do the duty you’re being paid to do. I’m sure that there will be others who can fill the slot.

RBS

If only we could get the GOP Krazy Klown Kar to do likewise.

35 Great White Snark  Jul 4, 2015 9:12:08pm

re: #32 stpaulbear

Gah. Just back from Mulholland drive where it is so crowded I had no room to even set up. Neva mind home for the evening darn it. My cats are quite unhappy with the bangs and booms. On the wife’s lap actually growling at the sounds bangs and booms. So maybe its good we are home.

36 #FergusonFireside  Jul 4, 2015 9:13:47pm

re: #25 Eclectic Cyborg

Michelle has one heck of a body for a 51 year old.

This.

37 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Jul 4, 2015 9:18:47pm

re: #25 Eclectic Cyborg

Michelle has one heck of a body for a 51 year old.

That she does, and Barack has managed to stay slim (very little paunch, if any) into his 50s as well.

Another smokin’ hot 51-tear-old is Ming-na Wen (May in Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D.). I was surprised by her age, because she looks at least 15 years younger.

38 b_sharp  Jul 4, 2015 9:24:41pm

No fireworks here.

We had thunder a few hours ago, but I don’t think that counts.

I feel left out.

39 b_sharp  Jul 4, 2015 9:30:50pm

Dead thread is dead.

Somebody shock it!

40 #FergusonFireside  Jul 4, 2015 9:31:22pm

I’m going to retire. Wondering about tonight’s dream activity. Because..I had a dream last night that stuck with me all day.

SSdtIHlvdXIgcmVzaWRlbnQgd2VpcmRvLiAgTXkgYm95ZnJpZW5kIFdvb2R5IEhhcnJlbHNvbiwgaG90IGFzIGhlbGwsIGNhdWdodCBtZSBpbiBiZWQgd2l0aC4gICBIb2xkIE9uLi4uLi4uLi4uLi4uLi4uLi4uLi4uLi4uLi4uLi4uLi4uLi4uLi4uLi4uLi4uLi4uLi4uLi4uLi4uLi4uLi4uLi4uLi4uTWl0dCBSb21uZXkuICBGb3IgcmVhbCwgdGhlIGRyZWFtIHdhcyB2ZXJ5IGNsZWFyLiAgSGFscCBtZS4=

And I leave you with that.

41 retired cynic  Jul 4, 2015 9:32:31pm

I think FF just shocked the thread for you, b_sharp!

42 b_sharp  Jul 4, 2015 9:33:40pm

re: #40 #FergusonFireside

I’m going to retire. Wondering about tonight’s dream activity. Because..I had a dream last night that stuck with me all day.

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And I leave you with that.

You need to be psychoanalyzed.

I’ll go get my couch, my overcoat and my paper pad.

43 b_sharp  Jul 4, 2015 9:33:55pm

re: #41 retired cynic

I think FF just shocked the thread for you, b_sharp!

Shocked me.

44 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Jul 4, 2015 9:34:08pm

Some of us were talking about the PBS series First Peoples yesterday, and I finally got to see the first episode. I was OK with it until they got to the DNA analysis of Kennewick man. Based on that one guy’s preliminary analysis of K-man’s DNA, the show’s writers not only definitively declared K-man was Native American but also summarily tossed out the multiple migration route hypothesis the episode spent 45 minutes establishing as likely.

Whut?

That’s not how science works, people. One preliminary analysis of one specimen does not automatically negate other ample evidence contradicting that analysis. The show’s writers spent most of the show setting up a dual migration model, one along the seacoast and another overland, then in the last ten minutes blow that whole idea out of the water.

The show did not answer its original question: how did Eva, the Yucatan peninsula woman, end up being buried in a cave hundreds of years before Clovis people were found all over the Americas? The show implies she and K-man were from the same migrant pool, even though K-man is a much more recent specimen. The shows also does not mention if K-man was one of the Clovis peoples, or of another group.

Craptastic writing there.

They spent way too much airtime on the dispute over who “owns” K-man, IMO.

I was pleased to see John Hawks near the end, though. I took his free on-line course on hominid development last year and learned a lot.

And just as an aside, one of my father’s cousins used to live in Kennewick. Probably some of her relatives are still there.

45 b_sharp  Jul 4, 2015 9:35:55pm

Here, hold this.

No, no, the other end.

I’m off to bed.

(Don’t drop it whatever you do)

46 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Jul 4, 2015 9:40:04pm

re: #45 b_sharp

Here, hold this.

No, no, the other end.

I’m off to bed.

(Don’t drop it whatever you do)

Hey, is it that light supposed to flash like that? Oh, now it’s making a noi —-

47 William Lewis  Jul 4, 2015 9:42:46pm

re: #44 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

I was in Hawks class as well. Very good time getting current in the topic.

48 teleskiguy  Jul 4, 2015 9:48:11pm

Fireworks going off in the neighborhood. My dog is right next to me, passive as all fuck.

49 SteveMcGaziBolaGate  Jul 4, 2015 9:49:40pm

My uncle had two big jars in his basement, labelled respectively “Don’t mix this…” and the other “With this”. When he died, nobody had the nerve to call his bluff. His son gradually took the contents of his evil lab, er, basement to his job for disposal.

50 Nyet  Jul 4, 2015 9:51:34pm

re: #3 Charles Johnson

Looking at the saved copies at archive.org, it started as a pretty solid wingnut thing (Geller? Gates of Vienna? … and a look at the advisory/editorial board).

If it only got worse since then…

51 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Jul 4, 2015 9:52:08pm

re: #47 William Lewis

I was in Hawks class as well. Very good time getting current in the topic.

I think you tipped me off about it, IIRC. Thanks!

52 Mattand  Jul 4, 2015 10:02:30pm

re: #48 teleskiguy

Fireworks going off in the neighborhood. My dog is right next to me, passive as all fuck.

A few years back, the township was re-doing our street, including the curbs. A worker was out there blasting away with a jackhammer when I was returning home from a walk with Capt. Fuzzface.

The kid stopped operating the jackhammer, out of fear of spooking the dog. I assured him it wasn’t necessary. The worker gave me a “If you say so” skeptical look and fired the hammer back up.

The dog just looked at him like, “Huh”, and we went inside. I’m so grateful this dog has been so even keeled. Makes life much easier.

53 teleskiguy  Jul 4, 2015 10:06:53pm

Ya, goddamnit, the dog is freakin’ the fuck out. Too many BOOMS off in the distance.

54 Romantic Heretic  Jul 4, 2015 10:06:55pm

re: #32 stpaulbear

I wish the fireworks were 10 miles away here. I have a feeling that it’s going to keep on until 1-2 am. This is one of my least favorite holidays.

My wife hates the 4th for the same reason.

55 JadeHelmCurious  Jul 4, 2015 10:15:36pm

I live in a resort area so the only fireworks are if there’s a pro show. No drunk parties that go for hours. The smoke really got to my wife in our last house.

Very quiet here.

56 Nyet  Jul 4, 2015 10:16:27pm

What an utter, graceless ass.

57 William Lewis  Jul 4, 2015 10:32:56pm

re: #56 Nyet

What an utter, graceless ass.

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When I get feeling CTish I wonder if the GOP didn’t setup that mess to distract people from what an underwhelming excuse for a nominee he was…

58 bratwurst  Jul 4, 2015 10:37:16pm
59 Amory Blaine  Jul 4, 2015 10:52:59pm

Hmm. Gov. Fuckface Walker is formally announcing his candidacy for POTUS on July 13th, and since he likes to link everything he does to Ronald Reagan I present:

July 13th, this day in history

On this day in 1985, while President Ronald Reagan is undergoing surgery to remove a benign polyp in his large intestine, doctors discover a second polyp and perform a biopsy to determine whether or not it is cancerous.

Malignant Polyp, Scooter “the clown” Walker
60 Belafon  Jul 4, 2015 10:57:47pm

I had a fun argument at the fourth of July celebration in my town with a bunch of the volunteer group I am part of over the Confederate flag. I did manage to do two things:
1. I got the guy to agree after a while that a government shouldn’t be flying the flag.
2. I ended the conversation when I showed him the picture of George Bush bowing to the Saudi King. The same guy tried to pull the “no president before Obama ever bowed to another leader” line. After I showed him the picture, the guy was like “I see you’re an Obama supporter. We’ll just have to end it here.”

There are so many things the right (and yes, all these people are Republicans) tie together, and it was hard keeping it on the topic of the flag.

One topic was Ferguson with the Michael Brown shooting (he’ll argue that the convenience store video shows that Brown robbed the store where others see the same video and say he didn’t) where we hand an argument over how many bullets you should fire at someone and, in his words, all of the black witnesses that said that Brown didn’t have his hands up.

Another topic was the rainbow colors being displayed on the White House after the gay marriage ruling. That was the gay flag they were showing there and how can anyone be against the Confederate flag if the White House is going to do that?

61 teleskiguy  Jul 4, 2015 11:12:07pm

It’s just a few minutes after midnight and things are quiet again. Just let the dog out, he’s laying in his quiet little corner, comfortable as any beast could be.

62 Amory Blaine  Jul 4, 2015 11:19:14pm

I want to dress up in a clown costume made of Gadsden flags and pass out tinfoil hats in front of a “scooter for prez” rally.

63 Mattand  Jul 4, 2015 11:26:44pm

re: #60 Belafon

Another topic was the rainbow colors being displayed on the White House after the gay marriage ruling. That was the gay flag they were showing there and how can anyone be against the Confederate flag if the White House is going to do that?

Just… wow.

Right there. Right there is why I’m so sick of this fucking “We have to treat Republicans respectfully when we disagree” bullshit.

That this fucking idiot can’t piece together the fact there was a never a gay separatist movement that fought to preserve slavery by seceding is everything wrong with the modern conservative movement, all in one nice pretty parcel.

And no, he ain’t an outlier. Not by a long fucking shot.

Wow.

64 Mattand  Jul 4, 2015 11:32:07pm

Yeah, let’s turn the second largest city on the Eastern seaboard into a fucking armed prison camp for a week.

This is the same Secret Service whose plan to keep Obama and his family safe is to let guys with knives run around the first floor of the White House.

I’m going to bed. I hate to be this crabby on July 4th, but goddamn; this country sometimes…

65 gwangung  Jul 4, 2015 11:33:25pm

re: #63 Mattand

Just… wow.

Right there. Right there is why I’m so sick of this fucking “We have to treat Republicans respectfully when we disagree” bullshit.

That this fucking idiot can’t piece together the fact there was a never a gay separatist movement that fought to preserve slavery by seceding is everything wrong with the modern conservative movement, all in one nice pretty parcel.

And no, he ain’t an outlier. Not by a long fucking shot.

Wow.

For one thing, the gay pride flag may be a symbol of those who are victims…but they aren’t losers. Literally.

66 Death Panel Truck  Jul 4, 2015 11:41:13pm

re: #44 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

I live across the river in Pasco. I wouldn’t live in Kennewick for any amount of money. It’s a shithole and the meth lab capitol of Washington.

67 Nyet  Jul 5, 2015 12:14:24am

re: #60 Belafon

One topic was Ferguson with the Michael Brown shooting (he’ll argue that the convenience store video shows that Brown robbed the store where others see the same video and say he didn’t) where we hand an argument over how many bullets you should fire at someone and, in his words, all of the black witnesses that said that Brown didn’t have his hands up.

According to the DOJ report, which carefully considered the totality of evidence, Brown did steal the cigarillos and did not have his hands up. Frankly, I don’t think there should be a debate about this at this point.

68 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Jul 5, 2015 12:22:48am

re: #66 Death Panel Truck

I live across the river in Pasco. I wouldn’t live in Kennewick for any amount of money. It’s a shithole and the meth lab capitol of Washington.

Well, I reckon things have changed since the 1960s. That was the last time Dad and his cousin last corresponded. They weren’t all that close, and besides, Dad wrote letters like maybe once every two years.

Used to be a farm town back when.

69 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Jul 5, 2015 12:25:57am

re: #67 Nyet

According to the DOJ report, which carefully considered the totality of evidence, Brown did steal the cigarillos and did not have his hands up. Frankly, I don’t think there should be a debate about this at this point.

re: #60 Belafon

The debate should be whether it’s necessary for a cop to shoot someone multiple times for shoplifting, and whether the outcome would have different if the perp were a white man, or even a white woman.

70 Tigger2  Jul 5, 2015 12:28:40am

re: #12 The Vicious Babushka

Please report this abusive racist asshole==>

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Done

71 Nyet  Jul 5, 2015 12:33:46am

re: #69 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

The debate should be whether it’s necessary for a cop to shoot someone multiple times for shoplifting, and whether the outcome would have different if the perp were a white man, or even a white woman.

Since nobody shot anyone for shoplifting, I don’t think there should be a debate about that…

72 William Lewis  Jul 5, 2015 12:35:26am

re: #67 Nyet

The autopsy showed he was on his knees when killed. We executed Germans and Japanese after wwii for similar actions.

73 Nyet  Jul 5, 2015 12:41:48am

re: #72 William Lewis
Here is what the report has to say about that:

The order of the remaining shots cannot be determined, though the shot to Brown’s head
would have killed him where he stood, preventing him from making any additional purposeful
movement toward Wilson after the final shots were fired.14 The fatal bullet entered the skull, the
brain, and the base of the skull, and came to rest in the soft tissues of the right face. The
trajectory of the bullet was downward, forward, and to the right. Brown could not have been
standing straight when Wilson fired this bullet because Wilson is slightly shorter than Brown.
Brown was likely bent at the waist or falling forward when he received this wound. It is also
possible, although not consistent with credible eyewitness accounts, that Brown had fallen to his
knees with his head forward when Wilson fired this shot. However, the lack of stippling and
soot indicates that Wilson was at least two to three feet from Brown when he fired.

74 Varek Raith  Jul 5, 2015 12:47:51am

Good morning.

75 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Jul 5, 2015 1:36:19am

re: #71 Nyet

Since nobody shot anyone for shoplifting, I don’t think there should be a debate about that…

My error. It was a robbery, but AFAIK they only pushed the clerk. No firearms were involved, and Brown was unarmed at the time of the shooting.

76 Jenner7  Jul 5, 2015 1:42:23am

My doggy peed 4 times in the last two days because of fireworks. Our neighbors a street over must spend tons of $$$ on them because they were lighting them for 4 straight hours.

The 4th is my least favorite holiday as well. My daughter can’t stand them, she hates the sound of them..sensitive ears or something.

Anyhoo, have a good Sunday….time for USA to kick Japan’s butt!

77 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Jul 5, 2015 1:45:33am

re: #76 Jenner7

My doggy peed 4 times in the last two days because of fireworks. Our neighbors a street over must spend tons of $$$ on them because they were lighting them for 4 straight hours.

The 4th is my least favorite holiday as well. My daughter can’t stand them, she hates the sound of them..sensitive ears or something.

Anyhoo, have a good Sunday….time for USA to kick Japan’s butt!

It’s the same here in China for the Chinese New Year. Non-stop fireworks till 1 am on Xin Nian (new year).

78 Varek Raith  Jul 5, 2015 1:47:35am

My cat jumped in the window to see what the noise was all about, yawned, and went to sleep.

79 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Jul 5, 2015 1:56:25am

Took a peek at GoatNews just now. CCJ’s lengthy screed now has a total of 4 comments, all negative.

80 freetoken  Jul 5, 2015 1:58:58am

This is the GOP today:

Oklahoma GOP national committeeman: Blame the believers for America’s same-sex depravity

[The usual whining over the SSM ruling…]

The definition of marriage didn’t change on Friday just because five black robed judges ruled that it did and God didn’t lose control on Friday. He is still sovereign. Their ruling does reveal America is under the severe judgment of God. That judgment is not because of the gay agenda or the libertarians or the self righteous. It is because His people (true believes) have not been faithful to spread the true gospel of Jesus Christ. Professing believers have been more concerned with filling buildings than talking about the depravity of man and his need of redemption. Until believers in our country start doing their job and proclaiming the good news, we can expect more of the same. God have mercy on America!

Steve Fair is the Republican National Committeeman from Oklahoma.

81 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Jul 5, 2015 2:06:29am

re: #80 freetoken

This is the GOP today:

Oklahoma GOP national committeeman: Blame the believers for America’s same-sex depravity

When all else fails, play the guilt card. God is angry with all you backbenchers, even you frontbenchers. You are all slackers, so he is punishing us by letting gay people get civil-law marriages. He made those five justices sin!

Or was it Satan?

That’s next week’s sermon.

82 Kragar  Jul 5, 2015 2:10:47am

re: #80 freetoken

This is the GOP today:

Oklahoma GOP national committeeman: Blame the believers for America’s same-sex depravity

I believe God is punishing us for allowing Republicans to hold political offices.

83 freetoken  Jul 5, 2015 2:25:56am

This is the GOP today, in Texastan:

Texans fear Obama-led military invasion

[…]

Inside, county Chairman Albert Ellison pulled out a yellow legal pad on which he had written page after page of reasons why many Texans distrust President Barack Obama, including the fact that, “in the minds of some, he was raised by communists and mentored by terrorists.”

So it should come as no surprise, Ellison said, that as the U.S. military prepares to launch one of the largest training exercises in history later this month, many Bastrop residents might suspect a secret Obama plot to spy on them, confiscate their guns and ultimately establish martial law in one of America’s proudly free conservative states.

They are not “nuts and wackos. They are concerned citizens and they are patriots,” Ellison said of his suspicious neighbors. “Obama has really painted a portrait in the minds of many conservatives that he is capable of this sort of thing.”

[…]

Oh yes, there has been painting going on in the mind of these wackos, but not by President Obama.

Someone though from that forsaken place knows the truth:

Here in the soft, green farmlands east of Austin, some say the answer is simple: “The truth is, this stems a fair amount from the fact that we have a black president,” said Terry Orr, who was Bastrop’s mayor from 2008 to 2014.

Orr said he strongly disagrees with those views, and he supports Jade Helm. But he said a significant number of people in town distrust Obama because they think he is primarily concerned with the welfare of blacks and “illegal aliens.”

“People think the government is just not on the side of the white guy,” Orr said.

Anyway, back to the local GOP honcho:

Ellison, the GOP chairman, said “the fear factor is justified.”

Obama “doesn’t take national threats seriously enough,” Ellison said, ticking off […] the deadly attack in Benghazi, Libya.

“What he views as alarming instead is conservatism,” Ellison said, alleging that the Obama administration has used the Internal Revenue Service to attack the tea party […] and “been complicit in stirring riots” in racially charged situations in Ferguson, Missouri, and Baltimore.

“The Obama administration has a history of attacking Texas” on issues from education standards to environmental regulations to health care, he said. “It’s not that much of a leap to believe that he would try to employ the military like he does the IRS.”

Others suspect Obama wants to establish martial law to cancel the 2016 presidential elections and extend his term in office. Terry Wareham, head of the Bastrop County Tea Party, said she fears that the Obama administration might deliberately instigate violence between soldiers and Texans as a pretext for establishing martial law.

[…]

Delusional people. And it’s the head of the local GOP.

84 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Jul 5, 2015 2:32:15am

re: #83 freetoken

The military is coming to take our gunz, just like the IRS is coming to get our taxes!!

85 freetoken  Jul 5, 2015 2:40:08am

Sigh… Razib Khan, associate of Taki and Sailer, runs to defend the idea that “race” is an important topic:

OPINION: Dolezal’s delusion is that race doesn’t matter

Note that Khan never defines “race” because he can’t in a defensible way. Instead he’s trying to sneak it in as a synonym for “population”, which from the history of the use “race” in 20th century English is quite misleading.

86 Amory Blaine  Jul 5, 2015 3:14:07am
87 Dr Lizardo  Jul 5, 2015 4:21:14am

Well, even though I like living in Ostrava, it seems that not everyone does.

The Moravia-Silesia Region seems rather self-confident, but statistical data show that 60,000 people moved out the region and only 30,000 moved in it during the past 10 years, David Štverka writes in daily Mladá fronta Dnes (MfD) today.

Most of those who left moved to central and southern Moravia or Central Bohemia. Somebody might argue that people want to leave Ostrava and other towns of Moravia-Silesia in order to live in the countryside, but the statistics show that the leavers find their new homes mostly in the cities of Prague, Brno, Plzeň and Olomouc.

The OKD mining company and the related VOKD construction company were famous and prosperous once, but now bankruptcy will be declared on VOKD and the good times of OKD are long gone, Štverka writes.

praguepost.com

88 Amory Blaine  Jul 5, 2015 4:35:36am

Prison guard suspended for Facebook post

A Wisconsin prison guard who posted a joke on Facebook last year about lynchings that referenced President Barack Obama received a one-day suspension and was required to attend training, according to documents obtained by the State Journal.

Correctional Officer Collin Visser posted in December a photo of Christmas tree ornaments with the president’s likeness accompanied by the text, “Look guys. Obama Christmas ornaments. Suddenly it’s legal to hang a black man from a tree again!”

Visser, who has worked at Dodge Correctional Institution in Waupun since April 2014, shared the image in the comments section of a newspaper’s Facebook post about a Black Lives Matter rally in Cedar Rapids, Iowa.

89 Nyet  Jul 5, 2015 5:04:42am

re: #75 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

My error. It was a robbery, but AFAIK they only pushed the clerk. No firearms were involved, and Brown was unarmed at the time of the shooting.

Nobody was shot for the robbery either.

90 Nyet  Jul 5, 2015 5:08:38am

re: #75 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

More specifically, it was always about whether he was a threat to the cop or not. Whether you believe he was a threat or not, nobody ever claimed he was shot for shoplifting or robbery. That’s a strawman.

As discussed above, Darren Wilson has stated his intent in shooting Michael Brown was in response to a perceived deadly threat. The only possible basis for prosecuting Wilson under section 242 would therefore be if the government could prove that his account is not true - i.e., that Brown never assaulted Wilson at the SUV, never attempted to gain control of Wilson’s gun, and thereafter clearly surrendered in a way that no reasonable officer could have failed to perceive. Given that Wilson’s account is corroborated by physical evidence and that his perception of a threat posed by Brown is corroborated by other eyewitnesses, to include aspects of the testimony of Witness 101, there is no credible evidence that Wilson willfully shot Brown as he was attempting to surrender or was otherwise not posing a threat. Even if Wilson was mistaken in his interpretation of Brown’s conduct, the fact that others interpreted that conduct the same way as Wilson precludes a determination that he acted with a bad purpose to disobey the law. The same is true even if Wilson could be said to have acted with poor judgment in the manner in which he first interacted with Brown, or in pursuing Brown after the incident at the SUV. These are matters of policy and procedure that do not rise to the level of a Constitutional violation and thus cannot support a criminal prosecution. Cf. Gardner v. Howard, 109 F.3d 427, 430-31 (8th Cir. 1997) (violation of internal policies and procedures does not in and of itself rise to violation of Constitution).
Because Wilson did not act with the requisite criminal intent, it cannot be proven beyond reasonable doubt to a jury that he violated 18 U.S.C.§ 242 when he fired his weapon at Brown.

91 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Jul 5, 2015 5:35:05am

re: #90 Nyet

it cannot be proven beyond reasonable doubt to a jury that [Wilson] violated 18 U.S.C.§ 242

Therefore Brown was a thug who deserved to have a whole clip emptied into him, as are all those feral animals stalking our inner cities, with only our dedicated police officers to keep them from preying on our wives and daughters.

/

92 Nyet  Jul 5, 2015 5:38:05am

re: #91 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

Therefore Brown was a thug who deserved to have a whole clip emptied into him, as are all those feral animals stalking our inner cities, with only our dedicated police officers to keep them from preying on our wives and daughters.

/

Yes, it’s one side of the coin. The other is “Wilson is a racist murderer who did it for lulz”.

93 William Lewis  Jul 5, 2015 5:39:49am

re: #90 Nyet

Wonder how much it cost them to procure “Witness 101”?

94 Nyet  Jul 5, 2015 5:40:48am

re: #93 William Lewis

Wonder how much it cost them to procure “Witness 101”?

Witness 101 is Dorian Johnson, Brown’s friend.

95 William Lewis  Jul 5, 2015 5:51:27am

Oh? Then no cost, just blackmail.

96 Nyet  Jul 5, 2015 5:52:29am

CT.

97 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Jul 5, 2015 6:00:35am

re: #92 Nyet

Yes, it’s one side of the coin. The other is “Wilson is a racist murderer who did it for lulz”.

The only way to keep young black thugs from raping our womenfolk is to set white racist murderers on them.

/

98 Bird in the Paw  Jul 5, 2015 6:08:24am

re: #86 Amory Blaine

Well, this stinks.

Stop. Please, for the love of FSM, stop.

99 Nyet  Jul 5, 2015 6:09:11am

If I physically attack a cop, I will probably be shot, and my white privilege won’t be of much help to me at that moment.

100 PhillyPretzel  Jul 5, 2015 6:11:29am

re: #99 Nyet

That is why it is better to smile at a cop than to attack him/her.

101 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Jul 5, 2015 6:12:23am

re: #99 Nyet

If I physically attack a cop, I will probably be shot, and my white privilege won’t be of much help to me.

White privilege just means that it is less likely that a cop will find reasons to assault you.

102 Nyet  Jul 5, 2015 6:19:56am

re: #101 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

That means there’s a difference when no fatally stupid things are done.

103 sagehen  Jul 5, 2015 6:44:24am

re: #90 Nyet

More specifically, it was always about whether he was a threat to the cop or not. Whether you believe he was a threat or not, nobody ever claimed he was shot for shoplifting or robbery. That’s a strawman.

I take the view that

it cannot be proven beyond reasonable doubt to a jury

what happened; because evidence collection/processing the scene/etc was shoddy as hell.

104 William Lewis  Jul 5, 2015 7:09:18am

re: #102 Nyet

That means there’s a difference when no fatally stupid things are done.

Actually it means that you can be a multiple murder suspect and you’ll almost always be captured alive while a non-white may or may not be even a suspect will be gunned down in the street. Your “stupid” things are irrelevant to most cops so long as you don’t have a permanent tan.

105 William Lewis  Jul 5, 2015 7:10:09am

re: #103 sagehen

I take the view that

what happened; because evidence collection/processing the scene/etc was shoddy as hell.

And was intentionally so to keep one of their own safe from prosecution.

106 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Jul 5, 2015 7:19:48am

re: #105 William Lewis

And was intentionally so to keep one of their own safe from prosecution.

Which is why the whole discussion of orbital blowouts or stolen cigars was thrown out to distract our attention from that egregious fact.

107 Whack-A-Mole  Jul 5, 2015 7:54:03am

re: #76 Jenner7

My son who is on the spectrum is the same way; he’s very sensitive to noise and the 4th is a real trial for him. He’s never been able to watch the local fireworks because of it.

This year, we found a solution in my range bag: electronic earmuffs. The microphones/speakers still let him be part of normal conversations while muting the loud blasts. They’re reasonably comfortable to wear and you can pick them up pretty cheaply as well (I think I paid $25 or so on Amazon for mine). They made a huge difference this year and he was actually able to sit and watch the show this year for the first time.

108 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Jul 5, 2015 8:01:35am

Well, I got to play relationship counselor tonight. Here’s what happened. I needed a student to translate for a friend. Called around, got one student, a junior, who said she was “not so well” but could call my friend to see what’s up. So, I asked if she were ill, but she said it was “psychological problems” and “Don’t worry. I am OK.”

Yeah, right. This young lady (ZY) is one of our top students, and pretty self-sufficient and together as a person, so I figured she was probably not OK, and said, if you want to talk, just let me know.

She did. She had a big blow-up argument with her latest love interest, a woman 20 years older than she, and she was feeling bereft, abandoned, the whole schmeer. Plus, she’s confused about her sexuality, because before she’s had only boyfriends and this is her first girlfriend, and I’m thinking like wow, what have I gotten myself into here?

Anyway, we talked for like three hours at a nearby coffee shop. ZY is one of my favorite students — great English skills, engaging personality, hard working. All in all, a really great person and one of the few Chinese students I’ve met at the university who are bold, independent and free-spirited. And from all my long years of teaching high school and being in loco parentis, I feel like I should try to help students who need help, you know?

ZY decided she would try to have a long heart-to-heart with this new flame to see if they can work out some differences in personality and expectations of each other. We’ll see what the results are maybe tomorrow.

Or I may be getting a tearful call at midnight.

109 The Vicious Babushka  Jul 5, 2015 8:04:08am

STUPIDEST MEME OF THE DAY==>

110 allegro  Jul 5, 2015 8:05:13am

re: #108 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

You’re a great friend and mentor as well as teacher. I know she appreciates your compassionate ear and wisdom.

111 The Vicious Babushka  Jul 5, 2015 8:06:02am

This fucking racist again
Please report

112 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Jul 5, 2015 8:12:04am

re: #110 allegro

You’re a great friend and mentor as well as teacher. I know she appreciates your compassionate ear and wisdom.

Well, she said as much, because I didn’t judge her because of the sexuality thing. She’s also in turmoil about that too.

113 allegro  Jul 5, 2015 8:27:15am

re: #112 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

Well, she said as much, because I didn’t judge her because of the sexuality thing. She’s also in turmoil about that too.

No doubt. Something she wouldn’t want to talk about with her family and likely even close friends until she figures stuff out. You’re close but still outside enough to not be a threat.

114 Belafon  Jul 5, 2015 8:28:49am

re: #67 Nyet

According to the DOJ report, which carefully considered the totality of evidence, Brown did steal the cigarillos and did not have his hands up. Frankly, I don’t think there should be a debate about this at this point.

OK, thanks. I admit I haven’t read the DOJ report, though i did try to find out that information by googling last night.

115 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Jul 5, 2015 8:31:20am

re: #67 Nyet

According to the DOJ report, which carefully considered the totality of evidence, Brown did steal the cigarillos and did not have his hands up. Frankly, I don’t think there should be a debate about this at this point.

Which again has little to do with how the case and the evidence was handled, which was intentionally shoddy so as to protect Wilson.

116 Iwouldprefernotto  Jul 5, 2015 8:31:54am

re: #111 The Vicious Babushka

This fucking racist again
Please report

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Reported.

117 The Vicious Babushka  Jul 5, 2015 8:39:47am

DARWIN AWARD WINNER

118 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Jul 5, 2015 8:41:25am

re: #113 allegro

No doubt. Something she wouldn’t want to talk about with her family and likely even close friends until she figures stuff out. You’re close but still outside enough to not be a threat.

She did talk to a couple of friends (boys, as it turns out), but the sexuality issue got in the way of their offering helpful advice. Besides, Chinese men of any age are not the best advisors on matters of the heart.

Also, I don’t blab. I’ve heard from students that even close friends will gossip behind your back, and on a college campus, gossip spreads faster than the speed of light.

119 Belafon  Jul 5, 2015 8:42:45am

Dealing with the interaction between the police and minorities is always going to be a hard thing to argue. I can’t keep that many stats in my head, and I’m not that great of a debater anyway.

And a lot of people will always veer any discussion of race in that direction. I probably should have brought up “what does that (Brown’s shooting) have to do with flying the flag” (see, debate skills). Even with my parents - who, by the way, have black friends - will talk about how if blacks would just act right around cops, no one would get into trouble. I can point out all sorts of things about how the stats show the differences between the way cops deal with minorities and whites, but it doesn’t quite sink in.

120 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Jul 5, 2015 8:42:47am

re: #117 The Vicious Babushka

Here, hold my beer. Watch this. …

121 Great White Snark  Jul 5, 2015 8:42:48am

re: #118 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

You are a good soul. She will remember your help her whole life.

122 PhillyPretzel  Jul 5, 2015 8:44:10am

re: #120 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

Yes. That is how it probably happened.

123 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Jul 5, 2015 8:45:15am

re: #119 Belafon

The trouble is, even if a black person “acts right” with a cop, they’ll still be in trouble, just because of their skin color. A lot of white folk just don’t get that part at all.

124 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Jul 5, 2015 8:48:15am

re: #121 Great White Snark

You are a good soul. She will remember your help her whole life.

I’m giving back what others have given me. Spread the love, y’know?

125 Great White Snark  Jul 5, 2015 8:49:18am

Nature sometimes favors the photographer, in this case Dragon_Lady. Flying insects are notorious for being hard to catch on camera given the speed size and literally flighty ways they have evolved. Yesterday we caught a break. The moth or buttefly alighted onto a leaf, and actually circled back to it a couple times. That let me get video and DL got the macro shot.

In Franklin Park and Conservancy, Coldwater Canyon LA
126 PhillyPretzel  Jul 5, 2015 8:50:25am

re: #125 Great White Snark

That is beautiful.

127 Dark_Falcon  Jul 5, 2015 8:50:32am

re: #104 William Lewis

Actually it means that you can be a multiple murder suspect and you’ll almost always be captured alive while a non-white may or may not be even a suspect will be gunned down in the street. Your “stupid” things are irrelevant to most cops so long as you don’t have a permanent tan.

Not quite, William: If you pull what reasonably looks like a gun on two cops while they are taking your drunken self out of a restaurant, you can reasonably expect to get shot no matter what color your skin is.

128 Belafon  Jul 5, 2015 8:51:09am

re: #123 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

The trouble is, even if a black person “acts right” with a cop, they’ll still be in trouble, just because of their skin color. A lot of white folk just don’t get that part at all.

Yep, and I can only convey so much of that.

129 Belafon  Jul 5, 2015 8:53:40am

re: #127 Dark_Falcon

Not quite, William: If you pull what reasonably looks like a gun on two cops while they are taking your drunken self out of a restaurant, you can reasonably expect to get shot no matter what color your skin is.

That’s also the hard part about this. Blacks are way more likely to be killed with or without a gun than whites. But, while I can say that 39% of all unarmed people killed by cops are black yet they only make up 13% of the population, people can always say “what about this case, and what about this case, and what about Michael Brown robbing the convenience store?”

130 Dark_Falcon  Jul 5, 2015 8:55:02am

re: #111 The Vicious Babushka

This fucking racist again
Please report

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Can I report him, as I already blocked the sicko months ago?

Second Question:

If we’re going to do a “block and report” campaign against Neo-Confederate racists on Twitter, does that make LGF the “Twitter KGB”? We are, after all, sending said racists to the “Twitter Gulag.”

/ ;)

131 Belafon  Jul 5, 2015 8:56:59am

re: #130 Dark_Falcon

I think we’d be “Twitter Yankees” (shortened to Twinkees) even if a number of us are from the south.

132 Great White Snark  Jul 5, 2015 8:57:40am

re: #129 Belafon

That’s also the hard part about this. Blacks are way more likely to be killed with or without a gun than whites. But, while I can say that 39% of all unarmed people killed by cops are black yet they only make up 13% of the population, people can always say “what about this case, and what about this case, and what about Michael Brown robbing the convenience store?”

They may make all the excuses they want. Blah blah blah. I come back to this. Every time a gun is used on an unarmed suspect we have a failure of our justice system right freaking there. Full stop. Red light every time an unarmed suspect is taken down with lethal force,

133 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Jul 5, 2015 8:59:15am

re: #128 Belafon

Yep, and I can only convey so much of that.

It would require them to have on-going, more-than-casual relationships with actual black people who can tell them their experiences.

134 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Jul 5, 2015 9:03:27am

re: #132 Great White Snark

They may make all the excuses they want. Blah blah blah. I come back to this. Every time a gun is used on an unarmed suspect we have a failure of our justice system right freaking there. Full stop. Red light every time an unarmed suspect is taken down with lethal force,

Shoot first, ask questions later. Then cover your ass when you realize you fucked up.

Anywho, it’s midnight here and I gotta get some shuteye. Laterz!

135 Dark_Falcon  Jul 5, 2015 9:07:46am

re: #129 Belafon

That’s also the hard part about this. Blacks are way more likely to be killed with or without a gun than whites. But, while I can say that 39% of all unarmed people killed by cops are black yet they only make up 13% of the population, people can always say “what about this case, and what about this case, and what about Michael Brown robbing the convenience store?”

There’s two questions I have regarding the definition of ‘unarmed’:

1. Do persons holding replica guns and lockpicks that look like guns count as ‘unarmed’? I ask because both police and armed citizens have been cleared for firing when they reasonably believed the suspect was armed. Heck, in the case I just mentioned the man killed didn’t have a real gun but there was no way the cops could have known that when he pulled that pellet gun on them. (Note: The preceding should not be read to excuse the police officer who killed Tamir Rice. He had other options entering the situation instead of driving up close and opening fire,” His actions were not reasonable, in my eyes.)

2. Was the person shot in control of a car at the time they were shot? Because cars can be used as deadly weapons as well.

136 The Vicious Babushka  Jul 5, 2015 9:08:46am

re: #130 Dark_Falcon

Can I report him, as I already blocked the sicko months ago?

Second Question:

If we’re going to do a “block and report” campaign against Neo-Confederate racists on Twitter, does that make LGF the “Twitter KGB”? We are, after all, sending said racists to the “Twitter Gulag.”

/ ;)

I think egregious violent racism should be called out.

Stupidity should be mocked.

137 Varek Raith  Jul 5, 2015 9:08:56am
138 Eventual Carrion  Jul 5, 2015 9:16:07am

re: #137 Varek Raith

Speaking of Darwin Awards;
Man mocks alligators, jumps in water and is killed in Texas

That is where my oldest lived when he was in high school (Bridge city, Orange county). Their house was right on the bayou. And there were a few gators that I saw when I was there for his HS graduation. That area is lousy with them. Didn’t see in the article, but I bet alcohol was involved.

139 Dr Lizardo  Jul 5, 2015 9:16:54am

re: #138 Eventual Carrion

That is where my oldest lived when he was in high school (Bridge city, Orange county). Their house was right on the bayou. And there were a few gators that I saw when I was there for his HS graduation. That area is lousy with them. Didn’t see in the article, but I bet alcohol was involved.

“Hold mah beer.”

140 stpaulbear  Jul 5, 2015 9:17:10am

re: #137 Varek Raith

Speaking of Darwin Awards;

“He removed his shirt, removed his billfold … someone shouted a warning and he said ‘blank the alligators’ and jumped in to the water and almost immediately yelled for help,”

No shit.

141 Blind Frog Belly White  Jul 5, 2015 9:17:11am

re: #119 Belafon

Dealing with the interaction between the police and minorities is always going to be a hard thing to argue. I can’t keep that many stats in my head, and I’m not that great of a debater anyway.

And a lot of people will always veer any discussion of race in that direction. I probably should have brought up “what does that (Brown’s shooting) have to do with flying the flag” (see, debate skills). Even with my parents - who, by the way, have black friends - will talk about how if blacks would just act right around cops, no one would get into trouble. I can point out all sorts of things about how the stats show the differences between the way cops deal with minorities and whites, but it doesn’t quite sink in.

I think people have a hard time with the concept of unconscious racism. People want a black/white, yes/no, is/is not answer to things. Complexity is hard. It’s easier to think that unless somebody is Merl from the Walking Dead, they’re not racist.

But racism exists in the little things. Things like how you react to a name on a resume, or when you see a young black man walking toward you, or when you read about an unarmed black man being shot by police.

142 JadeHelmCurious  Jul 5, 2015 9:17:34am

I don’t have any black friends. A few acquaintances over the years but they are essentially black folk who grew up in white circles.

There is a black experience of which I can only try to understand. I’ve been really trying to connect with more black folk on social media. For the most part I just STFU and listen. I think that’s very important as it taught me that being colorblind is not the way to true equality and justice. We cannot be blind to it, that maintains status quo. We have to see color, or more specifically, culture, and accept it as just as American as my own lilly white suburban upbringing.

American society compartmentalizes blackness and we seem to be hitched on blackness being part of our heritage. Or that blackness is part of our culture as it fits stereotypes: gangs, sports stars, entertainers, the poors.. not as just common people.

143 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jul 5, 2015 9:17:39am

re: #137 Varek Raith

Speaking of Darwin Awards;
Man mocks alligators, jumps in water and is killed in Texas

Then there’s this: Leaping Sturgeon Kills 5-Year-Old Florida Girl Boating With Family, which is just plain tragic.

144 Shiplord Kirel  Jul 5, 2015 9:20:03am

re: #130 Dark_Falcon

Can I report him, as I already blocked the sicko months ago?

Second Question:

If we’re going to do a “block and report” campaign against Neo-Confederate racists on Twitter, does that make LGF the “Twitter KGB”? We are, after all, sending said racists to the “Twitter Gulag.”

/ ;)

Not to worry, Jade Helm kicks off in just 10 days. We’ll have them rounded up and safely on ice at FEMA Camp well before Twitter even starts to move.
It should be a bumper crop. Too bad the Overlords won’t accept racist jerks as trade goods, though. Too fatty and way too bitter, they say.

145 Iwouldprefernotto  Jul 5, 2015 9:20:39am

From the NY Times.

RFK and vaccines

146 JadeHelmCurious  Jul 5, 2015 9:21:55am

re: #145 Iwouldprefernotto

From the NY Times.

RFK and vaccines

Oh boy. He’s got the Ignorance Virus.

147 Dark_Falcon  Jul 5, 2015 9:27:51am

re: #137 Varek Raith

Speaking of Darwin Awards;
Man mocks alligators, jumps in water and is killed in Texas

That was the second nasty animal-related death in Texas last week. The first was even worse:

A third-generation Texas farmer was killed by a bee attack after he disturbed an enormous hive.

Rogerio Zuniga was on his tractor in Lozano, Texas on Sunday when he hit an 18-inch diameter pipe enraging the bees inside.

The bees swarmed from the abandoned irrigation pipe and killed him, an official told ABC News today.

“He jumped off the tractor and ran about 100 yards away from the swarm before he collapsed in the field,” said San Benito Fire Department Chief Raul R. Zuniga Jr., who is Rogerio’s cousin.

SNIP

“In our area bees have always been a problem, but not to this extent,” Raul said. “I was told the weather has been causing them to swarm and that most colonies are infected with Africanized bees that seem to be more aggressive.”

148 Dark_Falcon  Jul 5, 2015 9:29:37am

re: #147 Dark_Falcon

That last paragraph is important since it backs up the claims the president has it in for Texas. We know this because African honeybees can be found in Kenya, and we know Obummer is from Kenya. Therefore, killer bee attacks are Obama’s fault!

149 Great White Snark  Jul 5, 2015 9:34:42am

re: #147 Dark_Falcon

Geez what is it this weekend? So many freak accidents. A small plane had a forced landing at a beach in Carlsbad, landed at the surfline (nicely done dead stick btw) but flipped forward at low speed when the wheel caught the water. Thankfully minor injuries only but one was a little kid hit in the head by the wing. Now I’m really glad I let the crowds put me off my photo shoot site last night. Home was the place to be.

Maybe after all the terror threat warnings and overtime for cops, all that windup we have a wonderfully slow news day.

150 Dark_Falcon  Jul 5, 2015 9:36:41am

re: #145 Iwouldprefernotto

From the NY Times.

RFK and vaccines

To Robert Fitzgerald Kennedy, Jr,

The United States just recorded its first death from the Measles in 12 years. I trust you are satisfied with this consequence of your spreading anti-vaccine propaganda.

No Love,

Dark_Falcon

151 Belafon  Jul 5, 2015 9:37:39am

re: #142 JadeHelmCurious

I don’t have any black friends. A few acquaintances over the years but they are essentially black folk who grew up in white circles.

There is a black experience of which I can only try to understand. I’ve been really trying to connect with more black folk on social media. For the most part I just STFU and listen. I think that’s very important as it taught me that being colorblind is not the way to true equality and justice. We cannot be blind to it, that maintains status quo. We have to see color, or more specifically, culture, and accept it as just as American as my own lilly white suburban upbringing.

American society compartmentalizes blackness and we seem to be hitched on blackness being part of our heritage. Or that blackness is part of our culture as it fits stereotypes: gangs, sports stars, entertainers, the poors.. not as just common people.

There are no blacks in the volunteer group I’m in. The city I’m in is >90% white, though I can tell it’s come down from it’s high when I moved here 14 years ago. I think there’s one black in the fire department.

152 stpaulbear  Jul 5, 2015 9:40:11am

re: #149 Great White Snark

I’m wishing that my dickheaded neighbor who kept blowing off LOUD fireworks until after 1am would have been one of today’s Darwin award winners. I really do. The 4th of July is when you find out how many people in your neighborhood are total assholes.

He’ll probably do it again tonight too.

I’m crabby today…

153 PhillyPretzel  Jul 5, 2015 9:43:29am

re: #152 stpaulbear

I have idiot neighbors who light flares and let them burn out in the street. I know how you feel.

154 Belafon  Jul 5, 2015 9:44:51am

re: #141 Blind Frog Belly White

I think people have a hard time with the concept of unconscious racism. People want a black/white, yes/no, is/is not answer to things. Complexity is hard. It’s easier to think that unless somebody is Merl from the Walking Dead, they’re not racist.

But racism exists in the little things. Things like how you react to a name on a resume, or when you see a young black man walking toward you, or when you read about an unarmed black man being shot by police.

And that’s the thing about the Confederate flag: “Why can the White House make itself out in rainbow colors if I can’t fly the Confederate flag? I’m not racist, I have black friends. Why can’t the majority of people in South Carolina do it if they want to?”

There are so many logical problems with those kinds of statements, but they’re almost like Gish Gallops.

On a lighter note (and yes, it’s a lighter note): They didn’t play the Lee Greenwood song last night at the fireworks here in Texas, but they did play “Party in the USA” by Miley Cyrus. I laughed out loud when it came on.

155 Charles Johnson  Jul 5, 2015 9:46:00am

re: #50 Nyet

Looking at the saved copies at archive.org, it started as a pretty solid wingnut thing (Geller? Gates of Vienna? … and a look at the advisory/editorial board).

If it only got worse since then…

Those lists of blogs were the advertising network - not necessarily people who wrote for PJ Media. And back then a lot of the right wing blogs weren’t anywhere near as radical and hateful as they are these days. Things have really changed in the right wing blogosphere, for the worse.

The advisory board actually had several well-known liberals on it too, like David Corn, Marc Cooper and Jane Hall. At that point the idea of PJ Media was to be “post-partisan” - airing viewpoints from all sides. We had planned to have an environmental section that would spread info about global warming and other things that would have appealed to liberals.

All of that’s gone now, of course. PJ Media is basically the same as World Net Daily these days. And that really was not the intent when I was involved.

156 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jul 5, 2015 9:46:40am

Well, it’s July, so the cable channels are all over Christmas movies. Thanks a lot, Preston Sturges!

157 Iwouldprefernotto  Jul 5, 2015 9:48:50am

re: #155 Charles Johnson

Those lists of blogs were the advertising network - not necessarily people who wrote for PJ Media. And back then a lot of the right wing blogs weren’t anywhere near as radical and hateful as they are these days. Things have really changed in the right wing blogosphere, for the worse.

The advisory board actually had several well-known liberals on it too, like David Corn, Marc Cooper and Jane Hall. At that point the idea of PJ Media was to be “post-partisan” - airing viewpoints from all sides. We had planned to have an environmental section that would spread info about global warming and other things that would have appealed to liberals.

All of that’s gone now, of course. PJ Media is basically the same as World Net Daily these days. And that really was not the intent when I was involved.

I don’t see the difference between the two. Either is even trying to be a news site. Just partisan BS. Why bother.

158 #FergusonFireside  Jul 5, 2015 9:48:53am
159 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jul 5, 2015 9:50:13am

Also, the bikini is 69 years old today. Named after the site of the Crossroads Able test four days earlier.

160 Mattand  Jul 5, 2015 9:51:03am

re: #142 JadeHelmCurious

I don’t have any black friends. A few acquaintances over the years but they are essentially black folk who grew up in white circles.

There is a black experience of which I can only try to understand. I’ve been really trying to connect with more black folk on social media. For the most part I just STFU and listen. I think that’s very important as it taught me that being colorblind is not the way to true equality and justice. We cannot be blind to it, that maintains status quo. We have to see color, or more specifically, culture, and accept it as just as American as my own lilly white suburban upbringing.

American society compartmentalizes blackness and we seem to be hitched on blackness being part of our heritage. Or that blackness is part of our culture as it fits stereotypes: gangs, sports stars, entertainers, the poors.. not as just common people.

That’s pretty much where I’m at. I think one of the harder thing for many whites is to realize that a realistic reading of race relations in the US is not a personal attack on them.

Personally, I’ve tried to shift from “I’m not prejudiced” to “I try my damnedest not to be prejudiced, but I’m still going to eff up on occasion.” Not sure if that’s any better, but I’ve screwed up too many times to repeat the former anymore.

161 PhillyPretzel  Jul 5, 2015 9:51:33am

re: #159 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

And anyone who is that old should not wear one. ////

162 The Vicious Babushka  Jul 5, 2015 9:54:28am

It’s a Jewish Fast Day today.

I don’t know how Muslims can do this for a whole month.

163 Blind Frog Belly White  Jul 5, 2015 9:58:01am

re: #162 The Vicious Babushka

It’s a Jewish Fast Day today.

I don’t know how Muslims can do this for a whole month.

According to a Muslim I used to work with, it gets really hard when Ramadan falls in the middle of the summer, what with the long, long days.

164 Skip Intro  Jul 5, 2015 10:08:15am

Something to look forward to this summer.

Donald Trump will have to disclose his net worth and earnings from Trump University, judge rules

“Plaintiff argues that a showing that Trump invested millions of dollars in a fraudulent scheme and took millions more in profits from the scheme is relevant to Trump’s motive or intent to defraud,” the judge wrote.

Defrauding suckers is going to push Dumpf to the top of the GOP polls.

nydailynews.com

165 Blind Frog Belly White  Jul 5, 2015 10:17:08am

re: #160 Mattand

That’s pretty much where I’m at. I think one of the harder thing for many whites is to realize that a realistic reading of race relations in the US is not a personal attack on them.

Personally, I’ve tried to shift from “I’m not prejudiced” to “I try my damnedest not to be prejudiced, but I’m still going to eff up on occasion.” Not sure if that’s any better, but I’ve screwed up too many times to repeat the former anymore.

I think that’s the key. If you say “I’m not prejudiced”, you cannot accept that any of your feelings or reactions come from racism. You have to accept that those feelings and reactions are part of you, because then you can consciously choose not to respond based on them.

If you don’t accept it, then those feelings and reactions can’t be racism, so they must be justifiable. Next thing you know, you’re saying “He must have done something to make that cop shoot him.”

166 Great White Snark  Jul 5, 2015 10:32:08am

re: #142 JadeHelmCurious

I don’t have any black friends. A few acquaintances over the years but they are essentially black folk who grew up in white circles.

There is a black experience of which I can only try to understand. I’ve been really trying to connect with more black folk on social media. For the most part I just STFU and listen. I think that’s very important as it taught me that being colorblind is not the way to true equality and justice. We cannot be blind to it, that maintains status quo. We have to see color, or more specifically, culture, and accept it as just as American as my own lilly white suburban upbringing.

American society compartmentalizes blackness and we seem to be hitched on blackness being part of our heritage. Or that blackness is part of our culture as it fits stereotypes: gangs, sports stars, entertainers, the poors.. not as just common people.

QFT.

I’d just add what a difference we have (not just you and I of course) in upbringing. How that shapes us. In the sense of attitudes from parents and circumstance. I had a varied upbringing. I spent lots of weekends as a youngster in a black neighborhood where my very white lapsed Mormon grandparents lived. Where i went to school was very white, more Jewish kids than most schools. Later my divorced mom arranged to get me from school to a babysitter each afternoon. She was in an utterly Latino area. All this in the Los Angeles area. Huh, where else? Anyway that left me so comfortable with so many people that I’m left more clueless than most about racial prejudice.

I’m just as subject to feeling threatened by otherness though. When mandatory busing was said to be bringing gang members from south central to SF valley schools I was as unhappy about it as any redneck. I just was not rolling on ethnicity. White kid from nice circumstances now to have crips and bloods right there in history class? As an adult I still have that prejudice. I’m making all kinds of hostile internal assumptions about gang members. It’s just as wrong say when we cross paths on the subway or the market.

167 Nyet  Jul 5, 2015 12:07:54pm

re: #103 sagehen

I take the view that

what happened; because evidence collection/processing the scene/etc was shoddy as hell.

I take the view of the DOJ report. Which is mostly a positive case rather than the one based on mere lack of evidence. They did not only establish that such and such a witness in not credible. They also have cited enough credible witnesses to reconstruct the picture. Plus, yes, physical evidence. Which is not shoddy at all.

168 Nyet  Jul 5, 2015 12:11:26pm

re: #104 William Lewis

Your “stupid” things are irrelevant to most cops so long as you don’t have a permanent tan.

Simply not true. If a cop sees you as an immediate threat because you have just physically attacked him, the likelihood of you being shot is pretty high. I don’t understand why I need to explain this too. Seems pretty obvious.

169 Nyet  Jul 5, 2015 12:12:38pm

re: #115 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

Which again has little to do with how the case and the evidence was handled, which was intentionally shoddy so as to protect Wilson.

True, it has little to do with how the evidence was handled. Because however it was handled, we still know these facts.


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