Gateway Pundit: Obama Leaves Out GOD From July 4th Speech (Spoiler: Nope, He Didn’t)

These people just keep getting weirder
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DERPSometimes it’s hard for even someone like me who writes about them all the time to believe how utterly deranged and self-blinded right wing bloggers have become, and there’s nobody more deranged than semi-literate Gateway Pundit Jim Hoft and the cretinous numbskulls who share “writing” credit at his horrible blog of awfulness.

For example, today there’s a hilariously stupid post at the Gateway outrage hole about President Obama’s Fourth of July address, titled: Obama Leaves Out ‘God’ From 4th of July Weekly Address (VIDEO).

Jim Hoft’s moronic partner “Patch Adams” is full of rage because he thinks Obama “left out any mention of God.”

Somebody should let Patch in on the secret to watching videos of speeches: you need to actually listen to them instead of to the weird spooky voices in your own head. Because in fact, Obama absolutely did “mention God,” and “Patch Adams” even includes a transcript with the section where he “mentioned God,” apparently with no awareness at all that he was destroying his own stupid post.

As Obama’s term as President is slowly nearing its end, more and more of who the man is, and what he truly stands for, is beginning to seep out.

For instance, President Obama released his 4th of July weekly address for 2015 with one key ingredient missing: God.

Unlike his weekly addresses during the previous two years, where the President concluded his speeches with “God Bless You All” (2014) and “So, God bless You All. And may God bless The United States of America” (2013), Obama left out any mention of God in his recent address. Instead, this year, he chose to end his speech with a very politically correct, “Thanks, everybody. From my family to yours, have a safe and happy Fourth of July.”

And now, from the transcript thoughtlessly provided by the Gateway dope, as if his own subconscious was trying to tell him something:

As always, we’ve invited some very special guests to our backyard barbecue - several hundred members of our military and their families. On this most American of holidays, we remember that all who serve here at home and overseas, represent what today is all about. And we remember that their families serve, too. We are so grateful for their service and for their sacrifice.

We remember as well that this is the day when, 239 years ago, our founding patriots declared our independence, proclaiming that all of us are created equal, endowed by our Creator with certain unalienable rights including the rights to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.

What does “Patch Adams” think “endowed by our Creator” means?

Personally, I’d be fine if Obama — and all Presidents for that matter — never mentioned God at all, ever. There’s a reason why the Constitution establishes a wall of separation between Church and State, after all. But the simple, obvious, in your face fact about this July 4th statement from President Obama is that he absolutely did “mention God.”

But of course, Hoft’s idiotic audience will miss it and fall for this dumb dishonest post, like they always do.

Here’s the video of Obama’s Independence Day message; as usual, it’s a well-phrased statement, patriotic and respectful, as if it were designed to drive the Gateway goons absolutely crazy. (A short drive.)

YouTube

UPDATE at 7/5/15 6:06:43 pm by Charles Johnson

And just to really drive this point home, here’s Obama speaking last night at the White House Fourth of July Celebration honoring military families, concluding with: “God bless you … God bless the United States of America.” (h/t: King Kenrod.)

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533 comments
1 SteveMcGaziBolaGate  Jul 5, 2015 5:42:46pm

I’ll take your word that the President did give a shartout to God, dimwit’s followers will believe him. Important thing is it doesn’t matter whether God gets some love from the Prez on July 4.

2 CarolJ  Jul 5, 2015 5:43:31pm

After that eulogy, the fact that he only mentions a “Creator” is fine by me.
Besides that the Founders meant were that rights were the natural possession of men, not granted by a monarch. They were deists who believed that a Cosmic Intelligence created the universe and set things in motion-after that people simply had to learn the natural moral rules of an ordered universe. More than likely Obama shares that opinion in most matters. He’s never shown an ounce of sectarianism, and even the faith side of him has been pretty reserved and private.

The right has been driven crazy by the fact that Obama is bullet-proof morally-so in order to create outrage, they have to invent something. But nothing sticks-nothing. And Americans still mostly like him outside the right-wing bubble, which drives them even crazier And he’s been a success by any reasonable measure as well, so they can’t even exploit any failures either. So they have to find something to keep up the outrage and justify their existence as an opposition.

I bet when Obama goes back to Chicago, we will see a great deal of folks simply losing it. Their obsession and outrage is so great that I believe the end of it will have nervous systems going into collapse.

3 A Cranky One  Jul 5, 2015 5:46:23pm

WERE THE PATRIOTS WHO LUV HTE CONSTITUSYUN (TL:DR) NOT THAT ATHYST MUSLIN FUR’NER

4 thedopefishlives  Jul 5, 2015 5:46:56pm

re: #3 A Cranky One

WERE THE PATRIOTS WHO LUV HTE CONSTITUSYUN (TL:DR) NOT THAT ATHYST MUSLIN FUR’NER

They read the Constitution about as well as they read the Bible, which is to say, not in the slightest.

5 A Cranky One  Jul 5, 2015 5:49:20pm

Yup. That’s why I couldn’t resist adding the TL:DR. They do the same thing to the bible.

6 Jenner7  Jul 5, 2015 5:50:36pm

Woohoo USA!!!

7 Chan Kobun  Jul 5, 2015 5:50:37pm

U S A !
U S A !
U S A !

8 Great White Snark  Jul 5, 2015 5:51:20pm

Oh? Right never mentions God. Hardly at all.

Video

Video

Video

9 The Vicious Babushka  Jul 5, 2015 5:52:11pm

Wingnuts have been on a HATE OBAMA RAGE all day all weekend 24/7 for the past 6 years

10 A Cranky One  Jul 5, 2015 5:52:18pm

U S A. U S A.

Nicely done. World Champs!

11 Jenner7  Jul 5, 2015 5:53:03pm
12 Feline Fearless Leader  Jul 5, 2015 5:53:14pm

Natural fireworks for the US win.

13 The Vicious Babushka  Jul 5, 2015 5:54:50pm

HURR HURR!!!!!!

14 RealityBasedSteve  Jul 5, 2015 5:55:24pm

re: #11 Jenner7

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I don’t know who you are. I don’t know what you want. If you are looking for ransom, I can tell you I don’t have money. But what I do have are a very particular set of skills, skills I have acquired over a very long career. Skills that make me a nightmare for people like you. If you let my daughter go take that image down now, that’ll be the end of it. I will not look for you, I will not pursue you. But if you don’t, I will look for you, I will find you, and I will kill you speak harshly toward you.

15 The Vicious Babushka  Jul 5, 2015 5:56:02pm
16 jaunte  Jul 5, 2015 5:56:46pm

re: #13 The Vicious Babushka

Another nice conservative.

17 Chan Kobun  Jul 5, 2015 5:57:24pm

re: #13 The Vicious Babushka

Yeah - one gives an honest assessment, the other throws out red-meat buzzwords like candy.

18 KingKenrod  Jul 5, 2015 5:58:20pm

Here is the President speaking last night.

“God bless you, God bless the United States of America”.

19 Eric The Fruit Bat  Jul 5, 2015 5:59:41pm

re: #18 KingKenrod

Ohh, that’s gonna leave a mark.

20 The War TARDIS  Jul 5, 2015 6:00:47pm

Always good to see a Mountie.

21 Chan Kobun  Jul 5, 2015 6:01:26pm

re: #18 KingKenrod

Yeah well that’s just his cover for his sekrit athiest moozlemisms!

22 SteveMcGaziBolaGate  Jul 5, 2015 6:01:55pm

re: #14 RealityBasedSteve

Way to go!

23 Belafon  Jul 5, 2015 6:01:59pm

re: #18 KingKenrod

Look at the height difference between Bruno Mars and the Obamas.

24 Charles Johnson  Jul 5, 2015 6:02:16pm

re: #8 Great White Snark

Oh? Right never mentions God. Hardly at all.

Right wing bloggers have no memories. Or reading comprehension. Or simple human decency.

25 SteveMcGaziBolaGate  Jul 5, 2015 6:02:52pm

re: #24 Charles Johnson

All they have is desperation.

26 jaunte  Jul 5, 2015 6:04:24pm
27 Chan Kobun  Jul 5, 2015 6:04:57pm

re: #24 Charles Johnson

Right wing bloggers have no memories. Or reading comprehension. Or simple human decency.

driftglass calls it “strategic forgettery”.

28 Timothy Watson  Jul 5, 2015 6:08:16pm

re: #26 jaunte

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Even funner: Fox is the one broadcasting the coverage.

BIG GAY AND GEORGE SOROS HAVE TAKEN OVER FOX!!1!

29 Charles Johnson  Jul 5, 2015 6:08:38pm

re: #18 KingKenrod

Here is the President speaking last night.

“God bless you, God bless the United States of America”.

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Thanks - added this as an update.

30 b_sharp  Jul 5, 2015 6:09:02pm

re: #20 The War TARDIS

Always good to see a Mountie.

Why?

31 Iwouldprefernotto  Jul 5, 2015 6:10:46pm

re: #30 b_sharp

Why?

Why not?

32 b_sharp  Jul 5, 2015 6:12:26pm

re: #31 Iwouldprefernotto

Why not?

Speeding tickets.

33 Iwouldprefernotto  Jul 5, 2015 6:13:21pm

re: #32 b_sharp

Speeding tickets.

But you can go 100 (kilometers) an hour.

34 The War TARDIS  Jul 5, 2015 6:13:46pm

re: #32 b_sharp

Well, those are your problem. :P

I admit I have a better opinion of them than the FBI down here.

35 SteveMcGaziBolaGate  Jul 5, 2015 6:13:55pm

re: #33 Iwouldprefernotto

But you can go 100 (kilometers) an hour.

You can only go 65 mph down here.

36 Bird in the Paw  Jul 5, 2015 6:15:44pm

62

Ducks and runs

37 goddamnedfrank  Jul 5, 2015 6:16:12pm

re: #30 b_sharp

Why?

It means there’s a talking moose and flying squirrel nearby, duh.

38 #FergusonFireside  Jul 5, 2015 6:17:09pm

re: #16 jaunte

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Another nice conservative.

there was a hella lot of racism out there.

Be woke people, it’s all around you.

39 b_sharp  Jul 5, 2015 6:17:11pm

re: #33 Iwouldprefernotto

But you can go 100 (kilometers) an hour.

110 on #1 highway.

Sometimes I go faster.

It’s flat here with straight highways.

40 SteveMcGaziBolaGate  Jul 5, 2015 6:17:58pm

Once I was travelling in Europe and I accidentally gave my wife the map. We were going from Amsterdam to Charles DeGaulle Airport and had to have the van back by 1045 pm. Anyway, she keeps checking off towns as we drive through Holland and before I know it I’m reliving A Bridge too Far. We were going the wrong way. So I had to make up some time. I don’t think I took my foot off the floor between the Franco-Belgian border and the outskirts of the airport (which is truly gigantic). Only got passed once, we consistently made 180 km/hr, depending on hills, and never saw what passed for a state trooper. Got to the agency at 1038.

41 jaunte  Jul 5, 2015 6:19:16pm

re: #38 #FergusonFireside

Got to love the implication that Japanese internment was all the Democrats’ fault, because FDR.

42 Charles Johnson  Jul 5, 2015 6:20:11pm

There’s actually another really really stupid post at Gateway Pundit today, claiming that “The Left” wants to “take down” the Minnesota state flag, when Hoft’s linked Star Tribune op-ed says absolutely nothing like that.

IT BEGINS!

It Begins… Liberals Want Minnesota Flag Taken Down Because It Shows White Man Working

The op-ed criticizes the flag for very good reasons, and suggests revising it, but there’s absolutely no call to “take it down.”

Honestly, I think these people have been driven insane by their constant diet of hatred.

43 Unabogie  Jul 5, 2015 6:20:15pm

re: #41 jaunte

Got to love the implication that Japanese internment was all the Democrats’ fault, because FDR.

Well, that and the fact that Michelle Malkin literally wrote a book defending it.

44 b_sharp  Jul 5, 2015 6:20:42pm

re: #37 goddamnedfrank

It means there’s a talking moose and flying squirrel nearby, duh.

Flying moose are much more common here.

Especially when hit by a truck going 110 kms/hr

45 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 5, 2015 6:21:41pm

re: #35 SteveMcGaziBolaGate

You can only go 65 mph down here.

70-75 on many interstates.
80 in Montana starting October 1. Also already 80 on some roads in Texas, Utah, Wyoming and Idaho.

46 teleskiguy  Jul 5, 2015 6:23:10pm

re: #45 Backwoods_Sleuth

70-75 on many interstates.
80 in Montana starting October 1. Also already 80 on some roads in Texas, Utah, Wyoming and Idaho.

85 on a tollway between San Antonio and Austin.

47 SteveMcGaziBolaGate  Jul 5, 2015 6:23:48pm

For some reason I have a devil of a time driving through North Carolina on I95. I don’t know why, but slow drivers just sit in the left lane. You have to work like hell to work your way through traffic. It doesn’t happen in VA or SC.

48 jaunte  Jul 5, 2015 6:23:48pm

It Begins… Americans Forced To Examine Cherished Self Myths!!!

49 Iwouldprefernotto  Jul 5, 2015 6:24:26pm

USA USA USA

50 RealityBasedSteve  Jul 5, 2015 6:25:33pm

re: #39 b_sharp

110 on #1 highway.

Sometimes I go faster.

It’s flat here with straight highways.

The thing I learned going up the Al-Can (especially up the Frazier River Valley on Hwy 1) when they mark a curve at 50 KPH, they REALLY MEAN IT. Beautiful mountain road with long steep drop-offs, and a wood guardrail with occasional places with new boards nailed on.

51 teleskiguy  Jul 5, 2015 6:26:44pm

Hey lizards! I’ve had the beginning of the song “Shine On You Crazy Diamond” and that haunting beautiful four note guitar lick that kicks it off stuck in my head since Friday night. Umphrey’s McGee playing the song at Red Rocks was pretty amazing.

52 Great White Snark  Jul 5, 2015 6:27:13pm

Just wait. The Gadsden flag is going to make a huge comeback. Want to fleece these guys? Start shipping ‘em fast and cheap. Just don’t mention “Made In China”

53 b_sharp  Jul 5, 2015 6:27:27pm

re: #47 SteveMcGaziBolaGate

For some reason I have a devil of a time driving through North Carolina on I95. I don’t know why, but slow drivers just sit in the left lane. You have to work like hell to work your way through traffic. It doesn’t happen in VA or SC.

Too many left lane bandits out there.

Apparently they don’t cotton to the idea slow traffic should stay right.

(yes, lots of double meaning in there)

54 Unabogie  Jul 5, 2015 6:27:48pm

re: #42 Charles Johnson

There’s actually another really really stupid post at Gateway Pundit today, claiming that “The Left” wants to “take down” the Minnesota state flag, when Hoft’s linked Star Tribune op-ed says absolutely nothing like that.

IT BEGINS!

It Begins… Liberals Want Minnesota Flag Taken Down Because It Shows White Man Working

The op-ed criticizes the flag for very good reasons, and suggests revising it, but there’s absolutely no call to “take it down.”

Honestly, I think these people have been driven insane by their constant diet of hatred.

I was going to post in general about right wing dishonesty, but your post really drives it home. Just like Obama and “you didn’t build that”, and Hillary saying “what difference does it make?”, the right always, ALWAYS distorts what people say in order to make their points. The left does this too on occasion, and then you see things like 9/11 Truthers, but it seems to me that there’s a sense of fairness that keeps these kinds of things in check for most liberals, and certainly for virtually all liberal elected officials.

But again and again, the right wing can only engage in persuasion by lying about the other side. I think this really speaks to how little credibility their actual ideas have. Virtually no one really thinks that Citizens United is good for the country, or that billionaires are in need of new tax cuts, or that poor people should go without food, or shelter, or healthcare. The domestic policies of the Democratic party are completely mainstream. So the right’s only tactic left to them is to smear the other side as seditious, vaguely foreign, and disloyal to the country.

The sad thing is that it works for anyone, let alone almost half the country.

55 b_sharp  Jul 5, 2015 6:28:14pm

re: #50 RealityBasedSteve

The thing I learned going up the Al-Can (especially up the Frazier River Valley on Hwy 1) when they mark a curve at 50 KPH, they REALLY MEAN IT. Beautiful mountain road with long steep drop-offs, and a wood guardrail with occasional places with new boards nailed on.

And if you stop and look down, you’ll see ghosts.

56 teleskiguy  Jul 5, 2015 6:28:32pm

re: #52 Great White Snark

Just wait. The Gadsden flag is going to make a huge comeback. Want to fleece these guys? Start shipping ‘em fast and cheap. Just don’t mention “Made In China”

Bill Hicks joke: MY GRANDPAPPY DIED IN KOREA FOR THAT FLAG! Funny, my flag was made in Korea.

57 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 5, 2015 6:31:50pm
58 b_sharp  Jul 5, 2015 6:32:08pm

re: #50 RealityBasedSteve

The thing I learned going up the Al-Can (especially up the Frazier River Valley on Hwy 1) when they mark a curve at 50 KPH, they REALLY MEAN IT. Beautiful mountain road with long steep drop-offs, and a wood guardrail with occasional places with new boards nailed on.

BTW, I hate driving in BC. I’m a flatlander.

59 Jenner7  Jul 5, 2015 6:35:15pm

Did they show Biden at the game?

60 Eclectic Cyborg  Jul 5, 2015 6:36:43pm

More wingnut semantics and false correlation.

Technically what Hoft wrote is true only so far as the fact that Obama never specifically used the word “God”. Of course we all know how stupid the differentiating of “God” and “Creator” is but the wingnuts will eat it up because it fits their twisted “Obama’s an evil muslim narrative.”

Contrary to his apparent stupidity, I think Hoft knew exactly what he was doing here.

61 Shiplord Kirel  Jul 5, 2015 6:37:41pm

re: #46 teleskiguy

85 on a tollway between San Antonio and Austin.

Eegad! I’m not sure my minivan will do 85. My robber baron car will though. Maybe I should equip it with a brush guard to fend off any peasants who get in the way.

62 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 5, 2015 6:38:09pm

re: #59 Jenner7

Did they show Biden at the game?

63 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Jul 5, 2015 6:38:24pm

just enjoyed some amazing sushi while watching the US women win the World Cup, today was a good day

64 Jenner7  Jul 5, 2015 6:38:38pm

re: #62 Backwoods_Sleuth

Thank you!

65 teleskiguy  Jul 5, 2015 6:38:44pm

re: #61 Shiplord Kirel

Is that an old Rolls-Royce? Cool!

66 Dark_Falcon  Jul 5, 2015 6:40:40pm

re: #52 Great White Snark

Just wait. The Gadsden flag is going to make a huge comeback. Want to fleece these guys? Start shipping ‘em fast and cheap. Just don’t mention “Made In China”

Even if that happens, the Gadsden Flag is not stained by the taint of slavery, racism, and terrorism the same way the Stars and Bars is. Replacing a Confederate Flag with a Gadsden Flag is an improvement.

67 Belafon  Jul 5, 2015 6:40:58pm

re: #62 Backwoods_Sleuth

There’s a wingnut gripe about taxpayers paying for her trip I’m too tired to format properly.

68 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 5, 2015 6:41:24pm

re: #67 Belafon

There’s a wingnut gripe about taxpayers paying for her trip I’m too tired to format properly.

But of course there is…

69 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 5, 2015 6:42:11pm
70 Chan Kobun  Jul 5, 2015 6:42:14pm

re: #66 Dark_Falcon

Even if that happens, the Gadsden Flag is not stained by the taint of slavery, racism, and terrorism the same way the Stars and Bars is.

Yet.

71 Eclectic Cyborg  Jul 5, 2015 6:42:14pm

If a Republican ever is elected President again I hope the Democrats get all over him every time he takes a vacation/uses taxpayer dollars/etc/etc/etc.

72 Eclectic Cyborg  Jul 5, 2015 6:43:05pm

There’s actually I believe a proposal to swap out the Confederate logo from the MS flag and replace it with the Gadsden. Can you imagine?

73 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 5, 2015 6:43:57pm

re: #71 Eclectic Cyborg

If a Republican ever is elected President again I hope the Democrats get all over him every time he takes a vacation/uses taxpayer dollars/etc/etc/etc.

74 The Vicious Babushka  Jul 5, 2015 6:44:53pm
75 Shiplord Kirel  Jul 5, 2015 6:45:19pm

re: #65 teleskiguy

Is that an old Rolls-Royce? Cool!

‘68 Silver Shadow, 126,200 miles, original paint and upholstery. I got it 5 years ago for less than the price of a new Hyundai. I kind of wish the original upholstery would wear out, since I am not overly fond of dead cow, but it looks good for a hundred years or so.

76 William Lewis  Jul 5, 2015 6:45:35pm

re: #70 Chan Kobun

Yet.

I think I need to get a UN flag & a US Army flag and fly both together when I have a wingnut needing an exploding head :D

77 Charles Johnson  Jul 5, 2015 6:49:11pm

Statement of the Eurogroup President Following the Referendum in Greece - Consilium

I take note of the outcome of the Greek referendum. This result is very regrettable for the future of Greece. For recovery of the Greek economy, difficult measures and reforms are inevitable. We will now wait for the initiatives of the Greek authorities. The Eurogroup will discuss the state of play on Tuesday 7 July.

78 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 5, 2015 6:50:15pm

My moment of Zen:

niterz, lizardz!

79 Dark_Falcon  Jul 5, 2015 6:51:38pm

re: #76 William Lewis

I think I need to get a UN flag & a US Army flag and fly both together when I have a wingnut needing an exploding head :D

Good, you’re here. I’d forgotten at least once, but I’d wanted to link to this BBC analysis of that assault Daesh ran in on the Egyptian Army last week. In part because I wanted to get your read on it, but more because the tank pictured in the article is an old friend of yours:

80 RealityBasedSteve  Jul 5, 2015 6:52:26pm

re: #74 The Vicious Babushka

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And Ann Coulter has been preaching in her latest book that “The GOP just needs to focus on the white voters. They don’t need the minority votes, just get the whites to the polls”

Spit. and then for good measure, spit again.

RBS

81 Feline Fearless Leader  Jul 5, 2015 6:53:03pm
Piping Plover with chick

Fuzzzzy

82 Dark_Falcon  Jul 5, 2015 6:56:34pm

re: #80 RealityBasedSteve

And Ann Coulter has been preaching in her latest book that “The GOP just needs to focus on the white voters. They don’t need the minority votes, just get the whites to the polls”

Spit. and then for good measure, spit again.

RBS

When what Rick Perry says is smarter than what you’ve been saying, it might be time to rethink your views.

But instead of doing that Ann Coulter will just double down on the hate and call Rick Perry and the entire Bush family “Traitorous RINOs!!1”.

83 Charles Johnson  Jul 5, 2015 6:58:15pm

re: #66 Dark_Falcon

Even if that happens, the Gadsden Flag is not stained by the taint of slavery, racism, and terrorism the same way the Stars and Bars is. Replacing a Confederate Flag with a Gadsden Flag is an improvement.

I can’t agree. Not at all. The Gadsden flag is a Tea Party meme that’s even more explicitly anti-government than the Confederate battle flag. It’s a flag that symbolizes right wing lunacy, and doesn’t even have the cover story of being about “heritage.”

Maybe it’s time for right wing lunatics to put down all their flags and symbols and weapons, and start taking part in building a country that we can all be proud of.

84 Eventual Carrion  Jul 5, 2015 6:59:12pm

re: #74 The Vicious Babushka

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So all you moochers and drug dealers great Americans, come on over to our side. ‘cause we like ya, mean it

85 Iwouldprefernotto  Jul 5, 2015 6:59:31pm

re: #82 Dark_Falcon

When what Rick Perry says is smarter than what you’ve been saying, it might be time to rethink your views.

But instead of doing that Ann Coulter will just double down on the hate and call Rick Perry and the entire Bush family “Traitorous RINOs!!1”.

Ann Coulter is not running for office. She just needs to sell a few books and get some speaking fees. In America, hate pays.

86 Belafon  Jul 5, 2015 7:00:49pm

re: #83 Charles Johnson

I can’t agree. Not at all. The Gadsden flag is a Tea Party meme that’s even more explicitly anti-government than the Confederate battle flag. It’s a flag that symbolizes right wing lunacy, and doesn’t even have the cover story of being about “heritage.”

Maybe it’s time for right wing lunatics to put down all their flags and symbols and weapons, and start taking part in building a country that we can all be proud of.

The one good thing about that flag is it doesn’t have the “heritage” of the Civil War.

87 teleskiguy  Jul 5, 2015 7:03:08pm

Hello Dark_Falcon!

Did you see this?

On that note, who are you voting for in the Illinois primary? You voted for Bruce Rauner and he’s taking a lot of ideas from Scott Walker’s playbook when it comes to governance.

And, just for the sake of argument if Donald Trump became the nominee would you vote for him?

Oh, and go Cubs! I love an underdog and they’re the greatest underdog in the history of sport.

88 Belafon  Jul 5, 2015 7:07:35pm

Something the japanese can take away: They received twice as many points as all the other US opponents combined.

89 Dark_Falcon  Jul 5, 2015 7:09:21pm

re: #87 teleskiguy

Hello Dark_Falcon!

Did you see this?

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On that note, who are you voting for in the Illinois primary? You voted for Bruce Rauner and he’s taking a lot of ideas from Scott Walker’s playbook when it comes to governance.

And, just for the sake of argument if Donald Trump became the nominee would you vote for him?

Oh, and go Cubs! I love an underdog and they’re the greatest underdog in the history of sport.

My preference is for Marco Rubio at this point, but that is not set in stone.

Going to step away for a bit for Falling Skies. But I may be back later.

90 Jenner7  Jul 5, 2015 7:12:46pm
91 teleskiguy  Jul 5, 2015 7:13:37pm

As much as I find baseball to be a fairly boring sport for a spectator, I can appreciate the athleticism and quick reflexes a lot more than American football.

92 GlutenFreeJesus  Jul 5, 2015 7:14:07pm

re: #66 Dark_Falcon

No it’s not. The Gadsen flag = do anything we don’t like and we kill you and take your place.

93 Mattand  Jul 5, 2015 7:15:27pm

re: #66 Dark_Falcon

Even if that happens, the Gadsden Flag is not stained by the taint of slavery, racism, and terrorism the same way the Stars and Bars is. Replacing a Confederate Flag with a Gadsden Flag is an improvement.

Eh, it’s the go-to flag for people who have lost their collective shit over an African-American being honestly and legally twice. Anyone who is willingly waving that rag has at least one email containing a racist image of Obama on their computing device.

It’s like improving your health by getting the plague instead of cancer.

94 teleskiguy  Jul 5, 2015 7:16:02pm

re: #92 GlutenFreeJesus

He already cut and run, as is his wont.

95 aagcobb  Jul 5, 2015 7:17:49pm

re: #13 The Vicious Babushka

HURR HURR!!!!!!

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It doesn’t perfectly display the difference between the two Presidents. There are no lies to gin up support for an unnecessary, disastrous war, or mention of the worst economic collapse since the Great Depression.

96 Charles Johnson  Jul 5, 2015 7:18:42pm
97 Belafon  Jul 5, 2015 7:19:05pm

re: #93 Mattand

Eh, it’s the go-to flag for people who have lost their collective shit over an African-American being honestly and legally twice. Anyone who is willingly waving that rag has at least one email containing a racist image of Obama on their computing device.

It’s like improving your health by getting the plague instead of cancer.

At the same time, it is not a flag that represents a group that committed treason. If someone said “I’ll take my Confederate flag down if I can fly the Gadsden flag,” I’d say “Go for it.”

98 Lidane  Jul 5, 2015 7:23:13pm

Speaking of stupid people:

99 teleskiguy  Jul 5, 2015 7:24:19pm

re: #98 Lidane

I’ve been meaning to tweet that WaPo article, I just couldn’t find the right meme/picture/right humor angle, now I have. Thanks.

100 RealityBasedSteve  Jul 5, 2015 7:24:25pm

I’m watching Starship Troopers for the very first time. I can see why some on the right wing don’t realize that it’s a satire.

Mobile Infantry made me the man I am today.

101 Lidane  Jul 5, 2015 7:26:26pm

Keepin’ it classy, yo:

102 teleskiguy  Jul 5, 2015 7:26:57pm

re: #100 RealityBasedSteve

I’m watching Starship Troopers for the very first time. I can see why some on the right wing don’t realize that it’s a satire.

Mobile Infantry made me the man I am today.

Great movie! I love Starship Troopers. That film, and the original RoboCop are masterpieces by director Paul Verhoeven.

103 danarchy  Jul 5, 2015 7:28:14pm

re: #100 RealityBasedSteve

I’m watching Starship Troopers for the very first time. I can see why some on the right wing don’t realize that it’s a satire.

Mobile Infantry made me the man I am today.

I love starship troopers. It is one of the movies that I can’t help but stop on if I am flippping through the channels and see it is on. It is also a great movie to give the old subwoofer a workout.

104 Timothy Watson  Jul 5, 2015 7:28:34pm

re: #91 teleskiguy

As much as I find baseball to be a fairly boring sport for a spectator, I can appreciate the athleticism and quick reflexes a lot more than American football.

Watching baseball in person is pretty fun…on television, not so much. When I was younger I could sit and watch on TV, but that stopped back in the early ’00s.

105 sagehen  Jul 5, 2015 7:30:27pm

re: #104 Timothy Watson

Watching baseball in person is pretty fun…on television, not so much. When I was younger I could sit and watch on TV, but that stopped back in the early ’00s.

Baseball is a great game to listen to on radio.

106 Timothy Watson  Jul 5, 2015 7:31:17pm

You know what video gaming needs? A Sid Meier’s Pirates! remake.

107 teleskiguy  Jul 5, 2015 7:31:47pm

Cats sustain the internet.

108 stpaulbear  Jul 5, 2015 7:31:55pm

re: #104 Timothy Watson

Watching baseball in person is pretty fun…on television, not so much. When I was younger I could sit and watch on TV, but that stopped back in the early ’00s.

If you get the right guy behind the mic, baseball is a great radio sport.

109 RealityBasedSteve  Jul 5, 2015 7:34:45pm

re: #105 sagehen

Baseball is a great game to listen to on radio.

Baseball is probably the best “radio” game there is.

RBS

110 Mattand  Jul 5, 2015 7:35:38pm

re: #97 Belafon

At the same time, it is not a flag that represents a group that committed treason. If someone said “I’ll take my Confederate flag down if I can fly the Gadsden flag,” I’d say “Go for it.”

True. However, I have yet to meet a Gadsden flag waver who doesn’t live in a fantasy world where Teh Black Sooper Sekrit Muzlim Dicktater™ has been Doctor Doom-ing all over the Constitution since 2009.

Both the Rebel battle flag and the Gadsden flag are like a rattlesnake’s rattle: a warning sign that there’s some seriously dangerous shit lurking here.

111 aagcobb  Jul 5, 2015 7:37:31pm

re: #72 Eclectic Cyborg

There’s actually I believe a proposal to swap out the Confederate logo from the MS flag and replace it with the Gadsden. Can you imagine?

Yes, yes I can.

112 Belafon  Jul 5, 2015 7:37:44pm

re: #110 Mattand

True. However, I have yet to meet a Gadsden flag waver who doesn’t live in a fantasy world where Teh Black Sooper Sekrit Muzlim DicktaterTM has been Doctor Doom-ing all over the Constitution since 2009.

It’s like a rattlesnake’s rattle: a warning sign that there’s some seriously dangerous shit lurking here.

Agreed. It says a whole bunch about the flag waver. Where it should be.

113 The Vicious Babushka  Jul 5, 2015 7:38:50pm

OH HAI

114 teleskiguy  Jul 5, 2015 7:39:08pm

re: #108 stpaulbear

If you get the right guy behind the mic, baseball is a great radio sport.

I couldn’t agree more. I catch some baseball games on terrestrial radio every now and again - if I had to guess, about 20 to 30 minutes a week, very little, admittedly - and Jack Corrigan and his voice do make the game sound a lot more exciting.

In fact, now that I think about it, that’s the only baseball media I consume, on the radio.

115 Belafon  Jul 5, 2015 7:41:25pm

Thought experiment: If the Gadsden flag were flying on that pole in South Carolina, what would your reactions be?

116 aagcobb  Jul 5, 2015 7:45:38pm

re: #96 Charles Johnson

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Greece is truly between a rock and a hard place. Syriza told the voters, who want to keep the Euro, that a “no” vote would strengthen its hand in negotiations, but that simply isn’t true. The Greek voters want an end to austerity and to stay in the Eurozone, but that simply isn’t a choice Europe is willing to give them. Either the Greeks will have to cave quickly, or they will have to start printing their own money as they run out of Euros. Either way, Greece is in for some very hard times.

117 Great White Snark  Jul 5, 2015 7:47:00pm

re: #81 Feline Fearless Leader

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Fuzzzzy

More Fuzzy as in ducklings.

Another from Franklin Park/Conservancy
118 aagcobb  Jul 5, 2015 7:49:24pm

re: #98 Lidane

Speaking of stupid people:

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I was reading this weekend about how Texas plans to repatriate its gold from a bank in New York City to Texas, which is the only state which has a hoard of gold, presumably to back their own currency when they secede. One problem is that Texas currently doesn’t have any place to store it. Another is that Texas farted away about half a billion dollars because of the collapse in the value of the gold since they bought it.

119 Romantic Heretic  Jul 5, 2015 7:50:44pm

re: #27 Chan Kobun

driftglass calls it “strategic forgettery”.

Memory, like history, is the enemy of Truth™.

120 Belafon  Jul 5, 2015 7:53:19pm

re: #118 aagcobb

presumably to back their own currency when they secede

Texas will never actually secede because they’d have to pay for their own military. This is partially about some other state holding onto their money, and about it being harder to give chunks to your campaign contributors if it’s in another state. Plus, they can pay a wealthy contractor to build a place to hold the gold.

It’s Texas: The only thing that comes before God here is Greed.

121 b_sharp  Jul 5, 2015 7:53:39pm

re: #103 danarchy

I love starship troopers. It is one of the movies that I can’t help but stop on if I am flippping through the channels and see it is on. It is also a great movie to give the old subwoofer a workout.

re: #102 teleskiguy

Great movie! I love Starship Troopers. That film, and the original RoboCop are masterpieces by director Paul Verhoeven.

Are you nuts?

I read the original IN BOOK FORM.

The movie sucked as a representation of the book.

122 Romantic Heretic  Jul 5, 2015 7:55:08pm

re: #42 Charles Johnson

There’s actually another really really stupid post at Gateway Pundit today, claiming that “The Left” wants to “take down” the Minnesota state flag, when Hoft’s linked Star Tribune op-ed says absolutely nothing like that.

IT BEGINS!

It Begins… Liberals Want Minnesota Flag Taken Down Because It Shows White Man Working

The op-ed criticizes the flag for very good reasons, and suggests revising it, but there’s absolutely no call to “take it down.”

Honestly, I think these people have been driven insane by their constant diet of hatred.

As I’ve noted before what I call the Unholy Trinity of Emotions; fear, anger and hate; release the same chemicals into the blood as crack cocaine. Crack addicts tend to be psychotic.

It looks like hate addicts suffer from the same problem.

123 Feline Fearless Leader  Jul 5, 2015 8:00:40pm
More fuzzy

I’m out of fuzzy and will have to go with feathery from now on.

How about a hermit crab?
124 William Lewis  Jul 5, 2015 8:01:14pm

re: #79 Dark_Falcon

Pretty old girl. Probably is an ex-Germany stationed tank. That 105’s flechette round is wicked on ground pounders…

125 aagcobb  Jul 5, 2015 8:01:43pm

re: #121 b_sharp

Are you nuts?

I read the original IN BOOK FORM.

The movie sucked as a representation of the book.

Book originalists need to learn to accept that movies are a completely different art form than books, and just because a movie does not faithfully adhere to the original premise in the book does not mean its a bad movie.

126 William Lewis  Jul 5, 2015 8:03:29pm

re: #121 b_sharp

Are you nuts?

I read the original IN BOOK FORM.

The movie sucked as a representation of the book.

QFT. That movie is a abomination.

127 b_sharp  Jul 5, 2015 8:04:02pm

re: #125 aagcobb

Book originalists need to learn to accept that movies are a completely different art form than books, and just because a movie does not faithfully adhere to the original premise in the book does not mean its a bad movie.

No.

No.

No.

Can’t do it.

I read ST in 1963 when I was 8. It was my first SF.

128 Romantic Heretic  Jul 5, 2015 8:04:39pm

re: #69 Backwoods_Sleuth

Don’t ask questions. Just get me down.

129 William Lewis  Jul 5, 2015 8:05:13pm

re: #125 aagcobb

Book originalists need to learn to accept that movies are a completely different art form than books, and just because a movie does not faithfully adhere to the original premise in the book does not mean its a bad movie.

The only thing they kept intact was the name. I have read that the movie was written and then he got rights to the book and slapped the name on his garbage script. I find that easier to believe that any other explaination.

130 danarchy  Jul 5, 2015 8:06:58pm

re: #121 b_sharp

Are you nuts?

I read the original IN BOOK FORM.

The movie sucked as a representation of the book.

I read the book too, and yeah, it wasn’t a good representation of the book, doesn’t mean it was a bad movie.

Game of thrones isn’t a particularly faithful representation of the books, and is probably better for it.

Books and movies are different mediums and what makes a good book is not necessarily what makes a good movie.

131 Shiplord Kirel  Jul 5, 2015 8:07:04pm

re: #129 William Lewis

The only thing they kept intact was the name. I have read that the movie was written and then he got rights to the book and slapped the name on his garbage script. I find that easier to believe that any other explaination.

Yep. The movie bears no resemblance to the book, not in technology, setting, premise, or tone.

132 teleskiguy  Jul 5, 2015 8:07:43pm

re: #125 aagcobb

Book originalists need to learn to accept that movies are a completely different art form than books, and just because a movie does not faithfully adhere to the original premise in the book does not mean its a bad movie.

Thank you aagcobb!

133 Bird in the Paw  Jul 5, 2015 8:08:39pm

re: #129 William Lewis

The only thing they kept intact was the name.

Kinda like “I, Robot”. Why the movie producers felt the need to piss on Asimov’s grave, I’ll never understand.

134 aagcobb  Jul 5, 2015 8:09:19pm

re: #133 Bird in the Paw

Kinda like “I, Robot”. Why the movie producers felt the need to piss on Asimov’s grave, I’ll never understand.

Now “I Robot” was not a good movie.

135 Eclectic Cyborg  Jul 5, 2015 8:09:40pm

I think the main reason books are generally better than the movie is because in the book there is only one creative force: the author. He or she can do anything she wants. Whether you have two characters alone in a room or a massive action sequence, the cost of a page of print stays the same.

When you’re talking movies you have studio bosses who get a say, producers who get a say, Directors who get a say, A-list actors who get a say. All those cooks generally result in a very different broth than the original.

By their nature, you can pack more story into a book than a movie but there are things that work well in books that don’t translate to film well. For example a character doing extensive research, looking through files and computer databases. It might make for a compelling read, but movie audiences aren’t going to want to watch someone flipping through papers or typing on a keyboard for very long.

136 teleskiguy  Jul 5, 2015 8:09:53pm

I have not read Heinlein’s Starship Troopers, I’ve only seen the movie. And I still think the movie is the business, highly entertaining and brilliant satire.

137 Eclectic Cyborg  Jul 5, 2015 8:11:22pm

re: #133 Bird in the Paw

Kinda like “I, Robot”. Why the movie producers felt the need to piss on Asimov’s grave, I’ll never understand.

That actually began life as a script called “Hardwired”, unrelated to Asimov’s stories. Then some fool got ahold of the rights to both and thought it’d be a great idea to slap Asimov’s name and a few other nods (Susan Calvin, the 3 laws) on it.

As a standalone film, it’s good popcorn fare. As something connected to the work of Asimov, it’s a disgrace.

138 Belafon  Jul 5, 2015 8:12:03pm

re: #135 Eclectic Cyborg

Another good example is Neil Gaiman’s Coraline. Wybie was invented because, in the book, you can hear the character’s thoughts. That would not translate well on the screen, so they created someone she could talk to.

139 Bird in the Paw  Jul 5, 2015 8:12:37pm

re: #134 aagcobb

Now “I Robot” was not a good movie.

I will take that as a massive understatement due to your desire not to write a tome on the utter horror that was that film.

140 Romantic Heretic  Jul 5, 2015 8:13:35pm

re: #100 RealityBasedSteve

I’m watching Starship Troopers for the very first time. I can see why some on the right wing don’t realize that it’s a satire.

Mobile Infantry made me the man I am today.

And a lot on the left don’t realize that the book wasn’t pro-war but a rumination on what makes a citizen.

141 teleskiguy  Jul 5, 2015 8:14:30pm

This fuckin’ guy.

142 teleskiguy  Jul 5, 2015 8:15:56pm

re: #140 Romantic Heretic

And a lot on the left don’t realize that the book wasn’t pro-war but a rumination on what makes a citizen.

The film itself is a rumination on what makes a citizen!

143 aagcobb  Jul 5, 2015 8:17:41pm

re: #140 Romantic Heretic

And a lot on the left don’t realize that the book wasn’t pro-war but a rumination on what makes a citizen.

A movie that is a guilty pleasure of mine is Red Dawn, the 1980s version. Superficially its a rightwing paranoid fantasy, but I’m convinced its a take on the futility of the Vietnam War cleverly using role reversal.

144 teleskiguy  Jul 5, 2015 8:17:53pm

I’m sorry to all you hard core sci-fi book readers here that I think that Paul Verhoeven’s Starship Troopers is an absolutely *great* film that will survive the test of time, I really am.

145 b_sharp  Jul 5, 2015 8:20:41pm

re: #131 Shiplord Kirel

Yep. The movie bears no resemblance to the book, not in technology, setting, premise, or tone.

I never saw the movie “Bears”.

146 TedStriker  Jul 5, 2015 8:24:34pm

re: #145 b_sharp

I never saw the movie “Bears”.

I’m sure that Bryan Fischer has…

*rimshot*

147 dholmes32  Jul 5, 2015 8:25:24pm

re: #118 aagcobb

Also, that gold doesn’t belong to the state of Texas. It belongs to my alma mater, the University of Texas at Austin, which for some ungodly reason moved money out of securities into gold. (There’s a story behind it, if memory serves it was shady as hell and I have never given one red cent to UT anyway, so there.)

148 Romantic Heretic  Jul 5, 2015 8:27:56pm

re: #142 teleskiguy

The film itself is a rumination on what makes a citizen!

I only watched the movie once (I hated it because book) and they only once mentioned the whole idea of citizenry. The book went into depth about the subject.

I like Verhoeven’s work but making it look like the Federation was fascist in nature really bugged me.

149 teleskiguy  Jul 5, 2015 8:28:11pm

re: #141 teleskiguy

Click on the time stamp of my tweet to get the full flavor and context of this ridiculous exchange.

150 Bird in the Paw  Jul 5, 2015 8:28:25pm

I fail to understand why shiny metal is the go to for barter in the modern age. Want to watch the economy collapse at breakneck speed, revert to a gold based economy. It doesn’t/will not work in the current era.

151 b_sharp  Jul 5, 2015 8:29:21pm

The problem in going from a book to a movie is the meaning and characterizations that develop in the reader’s mind that never get matched in the movie. It creates a cognitive dissonance of sorts that can be difficult to overcome.

The only time I’ve ever been successful is when I ignore the name of the movie and try to forget the book.

152 Feline Fearless Leader  Jul 5, 2015 8:30:40pm

re: #143 aagcobb

A movie that is a guilty pleasure of mine is Red Dawn, the 1980s version. Superficially its a rightwing paranoid fantasy, but I’m convinced its a take on the futility of the Vietnam War cleverly using role reversal.

Given Milius’ career it’s hard to tell how much of his right-wingism is an act. He seems to be one of the people for which the right-left or even liberal-conservative frame does not fit very well.

153 William Lewis  Jul 5, 2015 8:30:59pm

re: #140 Romantic Heretic

And a lot on the left don’t realize that the book wasn’t pro-war but a rumination on what makes a citizen.

Heinlein would probably have gotten a chuckle if I could have told him that his books had a profound impact on the socialism I believe in today: the ideas of actual responsibility (unlike right wing fake “personal responsibility”), duty to society, what makes a citizen, taking care of those in need of help, specialization is for insects - generalization is for humans, and so on.

154 Great White Snark  Jul 5, 2015 8:31:57pm

re: #125 aagcobb

Book originalists need to learn to accept that movies are a completely different art form than books, and just because a movie does not faithfully adhere to the original premise in the book does not mean its a bad movie.

Well I’d maybe say that;s quite debatable from the perspective of changes to the story. Sure gotta give room for a two or three hour medium but still… If they blow the story… what matters the rest?

155 Pip's Squeak  Jul 5, 2015 8:33:46pm

re: #96 Charles Johnson

As in ‘interesting times’, unfortunately.

156 William Lewis  Jul 5, 2015 8:34:13pm

re: #148 Romantic Heretic

I only watched the movie once (I hated it because book) and they only once mentioned the whole idea of citizenry. The book went into depth about the subject.

I like Verhoeven’s work but making it look like the Federation was fascist in nature really bugged me.

He despises Heinlein and considers him to be fascist so his movie was designed to denigrate the concepts of duty, sacrifice and citizenship that were fundamental to the story. Hence the government had to be an evil fascist state since that was necessary for his spin.

157 Feline Fearless Leader  Jul 5, 2015 8:34:31pm

re: #154 Great White Snark

Well I’d maybe say that;s quite debatable from the perspective of changes to the story. Sure gotta give room for a two or three hour medium but still… If they blow the story… what matters the rest?

Book version aside, I saw the movie shredded once by someone who simply reviewed the military tactics and equipment. They pointed out that the standard MI unit formation appeared to be “the mob” among other things.

158 Romantic Heretic  Jul 5, 2015 8:34:54pm

re: #143 aagcobb

A movie that is a guilty pleasure of mine is Red Dawn, the 1980s version. Superficially its a rightwing paranoid fantasy, but I’m convinced its a take on the futility of the Vietnam War cleverly using role reversal.

My take on Red Dawn is that if it hadn’t been an American movie about American partisans fighting the Russians and Cubans in WWIII it could easily have been a Russian movie about Russian partisans fighting Germans and Hungarians (and Slovaks and Italians and Spaniards) in WWII.

Now for some reason this promotional video for War Thunder is playing in my head.

159 aagcobb  Jul 5, 2015 8:36:25pm

re: #154 Great White Snark

Well I’d maybe say that;s quite debatable from the perspective of changes to the story. Sure gotta give room for a two or three hour medium but still… If they blow the story… what matters the rest?

Just because a story is different than in the book doesn’t mean its a bad story; its just a different story.

160 Romantic Heretic  Jul 5, 2015 8:37:21pm

re: #150 Bird in the Paw

I fail to understand why shiny metal is the go to for barter in the modern age. Want to watch the economy collapse at breakneck speed, revert to a gold based economy. It doesn’t/will not work in the current era.

It’s because the wingnuts think gold has ‘real value’ because it is real.

But all values are imaginary. If gold had a real value there would be no speculative market for it.

All currencies are fiat.

161 William Lewis  Jul 5, 2015 8:38:16pm

re: #160 Romantic Heretic

All currencies are fiat.

That fact is a great way to get a Libertarian frothing at the mouth :D

162 teleskiguy  Jul 5, 2015 8:38:45pm

Yikes! I guess I should read some Heinlein. I’ve been too busy skiing, walking around, and listening to music.

163 Bird in the Paw  Jul 5, 2015 8:40:57pm

re: #160 Romantic Heretic

IBut all values are imaginary. If gold had a real value there would be no speculative market for it.

This times a billion.

164 Romantic Heretic  Jul 5, 2015 8:42:10pm

re: #162 teleskiguy

I’d recommend The Past Through Tomorrow. It’s a collection of Heinlein’s early works, his ‘Future History’ stories. Most are quite good.

165 Great White Snark  Jul 5, 2015 8:42:18pm

re: #157 Feline Fearless Leader

Well quite right, although my comment is a general one about movies and books. the movies that stay close to the books are the notable rarities. Enders Game might be a recent example.

166 Jack Burton  Jul 5, 2015 8:42:34pm

re: #160 Romantic Heretic

It’s because the wingnuts think gold has ‘real value’ because it is real.

But all values are imaginary. If gold had a real value there would be no speculative market for it.

All currencies are fiat.

THIS. A thousand times this.

167 Lidane  Jul 5, 2015 8:43:11pm

OUTRAGE!

168 Great White Snark  Jul 5, 2015 8:43:22pm

re: #161 William Lewis

I can upset those guys real easy. I can take gold as payment without paying under market. Second London, good to go. Make it real and they fade away.

169 Bass Reeves  Jul 5, 2015 8:45:11pm

re: #144 teleskiguy

What about Starship Troopers 2 and 3?

170 William Lewis  Jul 5, 2015 8:46:19pm

re: #162 teleskiguy

Yikes! I guess I should read some Heinlein. I’ve been too busy skiing, walking around, and listening to music.

If you want to check him out, good starting points are Glory Road, The Moon Is A Harsh Mistress, Have Space Suit Will Travel, and perhaps best of all, the short story collection “The Past Through Tomorrow”. Almost all of the rest have good bits and interesting ideas but are more difficult for one reason or another.

171 Jenner7  Jul 5, 2015 8:46:42pm
172 Eclectic Cyborg  Jul 5, 2015 8:47:20pm

re: #167 Lidane

And an upside down flag to boot!

/

173 Eclectic Cyborg  Jul 5, 2015 8:47:51pm

re: #169 Bass Reeves

What about Starship Troopers 2 and 3?

*gag*

There was a fourth one too…

174 gwangung  Jul 5, 2015 8:48:09pm

re: #159 aagcobb

Just because a story is different than in the book doesn’t mean its a bad story; its just a different story.

Morally, I think the director spat upon the original work and had no moral right to use the title.

175 William Lewis  Jul 5, 2015 8:48:27pm

re: #171 Jenner7

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God bless that honorable man.

176 Feline Fearless Leader  Jul 5, 2015 8:48:55pm

re: #165 Great White Snark

Well quite right, although my comment is a general one about movies and books. the movies that stay close to the books are the notable rarities. Enders Game might be a recent example.

Which, in part, is due to the difference in media as previously mentioned. To convert a novel to video format you either need to make a mini-series and/or hack a lot material out. In addition to the needs for the visual media to generally be action oriented as well. Though I guess you could do a montage “massive research” scene if really needed. :)

177 Pip's Squeak  Jul 5, 2015 8:49:22pm

re: #165 Great White Snark

Well quite right, although my comment is a general one about movies and books. the movies that stay close to the books are the notable rarities. Enders Game might be a recent example.

David Lean, Great Expectations, 1948.

178 Feline Fearless Leader  Jul 5, 2015 8:50:13pm

Have a good night folks!

lower case bee
179 Dark_Falcon  Jul 5, 2015 8:50:16pm

re: #158 Romantic Heretic

My take on Red Dawn is that if it hadn’t been an American movie about American partisans fighting the Russians and Cubans in WWIII it could easily have been a Russian movie about Russian partisans fighting Germans and Hungarians (and Slovaks and Italians and Spaniards) in WWII.

Now for some reason this promotional video for War Thunder is playing in my head.

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Don’t forget the Romanians or the Cossacks. I find it ironic that at present the Russian government talks a lot about the Great Patriotic War, while simultaneously permitting the raising of whole companies composed of people who identify as Cossacks. The irony is that many Cossacks turned on the Soviet Union back then, enough for the Germans to fill the ranks of two cavalry divisions.

180 aagcobb  Jul 5, 2015 8:51:38pm

re: #179 Dark_Falcon

Don’t forget the Romanians or the Cossacks. I find it ironic that at present the Russian government talks a lot about the Great Patriotic War, while simultaneously permitting the raising of whole companies composed of people who identify as Cossacks. The irony is that many Cossacks turned on the Soviet Union back then, enough for the Germans to fill the ranks of two cavalry divisions.

Perhaps that has something to do with Putin being more of a fascist than anything else himself.

181 Dark_Falcon  Jul 5, 2015 8:53:43pm

re: #180 aagcobb

Perhaps that has something to do with Putin being more of a fascist than anything else himself.

Quite likely.

182 Snarknado!  Jul 5, 2015 8:54:35pm

I used to be a pretty strong book originalist, but then I found some movies that started in the same place and showed it in a completely different light — which doesn’t happen very often. My best example is Spider the book (McGrath) and the movie (Cronenberg). Another good one is Memento (short story and movie), although they don’t have the same plot.

183 William Lewis  Jul 5, 2015 8:55:51pm

re: #180 aagcobb

Perhaps that has something to do with Putin being more of a fascist than anything else himself.

Putin is much like Castro was - the ideology is unimportant; the power is what counts. I have read that Castro had Hitler’s book with him at first in the mountains and only went with Communism because eventually Che convinced him that he could get more out of Moscow than out of Washington.

184 Romantic Heretic  Jul 5, 2015 9:03:04pm

re: #161 William Lewis

That fact is a great way to get a Libertarian frothing at the mouth :D

Oh, I have.

Another favourite is to bring up the collapse of the European economy when the gold and silver looted by the Spanish from North America flooded the market, or when Mansa Musa made many local economies crater in during his Hajj.

185 Romantic Heretic  Jul 5, 2015 9:07:35pm

re: #183 William Lewis

Putin is much like Castro was - the ideology is unimportant; the power is what counts. I have read that Castro had Hitler’s book with him at first in the mountains and only went with Communism because eventually Che convinced him that he could get more out of Moscow than out of Washington.

Just like Vietnam. My understanding is that Ho Chi Minh went with Communism because that was the place to go if you were fighting a war of independence.

He went to the States for help first after he beat the French and no one from Washington would talk to him.

In statecraft, as in life, courtesy costs nothing and could save you a lot of trouble.

186 Dark_Falcon  Jul 5, 2015 9:11:09pm

re: #184 Romantic Heretic

Oh, I have.

Another favourite is to bring up the collapse of the European economy when the gold and silver looted by the Spanish from North America flooded the market, or when Mansa Musa made many local economies crater in during his Hajj.

That’ll make a modern goldbug collapse in shock, but it won’t faze anyone who actually understands Hayek or Friedman, as either of them could explain that rather easily:

Even if your currency is gold, if you have a sudden and massive infusion of that currency into an economy, that economy is going to suffer the effects of severe inflation. An increase in gold does not equal an increase in the things that gold can buy.

Conservative economics prevails, while wingnut DERP falls short.

187 Eclectic Cyborg  Jul 5, 2015 9:11:46pm

Ok guys, I’m no expert blogger like Charles, but I’ve been doing what I can having both a family, a full time job and various other extracurriculars. For the first little while I’ve been primarily focusing on content because I figure “hey, if you don’t have good content, you have a blog no one cares about.

The blog is still very much a work in progress but day by day it’s getting to closer to my full vision. It is a poetry blog but I’m hoping to expand it into other writing related venues as well.

Here’s the link for anyone interested:

Man…Spirit…Pen

All compliments/critiques welcome.

188 William Lewis  Jul 5, 2015 9:13:43pm

re: #185 Romantic Heretic

Just like Vietnam. My understanding is that Ho Chi Minh went with Communism because that was the place to go if you were fighting a war of independence.

He went to the States for help first after he beat the French and no one from Washington would talk to him.

In statecraft, as in life, courtesy costs nothing and could save you a lot of trouble.

Vietnam was worse - FDR had promised that the French would not be allowed to recolonize French Indochina after the Japanese were defeated. Truman refused to follow up on that promise out of his Anti-Communist hysteria that Stalin did a lot to exacerbate. Still, had he followed up on FDR’s anti-colonial promises, Stalin would have had many many fewer places that he could cause trouble.

189 Dark_Falcon  Jul 5, 2015 9:13:51pm

re: #185 Romantic Heretic

Just like Vietnam. My understanding is that Ho Chi Minh went with Communism because that was the place to go if you were fighting a war of independence.

He went to the States for help first after he beat the French and no one from Washington would talk to him.

In statecraft, as in life, courtesy costs nothing and could save you a lot of trouble.

On that you’re wrong, since we were already arming France, sending them tanks, trucks and aircraft. And China was supplying the Viet Minh from 1950 onwards and in fact provided the Vietnamese communists with vital artillery and anti-aircraft guns.

190 retired cynic  Jul 5, 2015 9:16:22pm

re: #187 Eclectic Cyborg

Good! Stylish! Overall package!

191 b_sharp  Jul 5, 2015 9:17:05pm

re: #187 Eclectic Cyborg

Ok guys, I’m no expert blogger like Charles, but I’ve been doing what I can having both a family, a full time job and various other extracurriculars. For the first little while I’ve been primarily focusing on content because I figure “hey, if you don’t have good content, you have a blog no one cares about.

The blog is still very much a work in progress but day by day it’s getting to closer to my full vision. It is a poetry blog but I’m hoping to expand it into other writing related venues as well.

Here’s the link for anyone interested:

Man…Spirit…Pen

All compliments/critiques welcome.

I’m not much into poetry, but the site looks very good. I’ll give the link to V who loves poetry.

192 William Lewis  Jul 5, 2015 9:21:47pm

re: #189 Dark_Falcon

Timing that happens because of Truman’s refusal to follow up on FDR’s anti-colonialism. Had he done so, things would have been very different through out the region.

193 Dark_Falcon  Jul 5, 2015 9:25:50pm

re: #188 William Lewis

Vietnam was worse - FDR had promised that the French would not be allowed to recolonize French Indochina after the Japanese were defeated. Truman refused to follow up on that promise out of his Anti-Communist hysteria that Stalin did a lot to exacerbate. Still, had he followed up on FDR’s anti-colonial promises, Stalin would have had many many fewer places that he could cause trouble.

That was unlikely though, given Stalin’s belligerence. Ultimately, Joseph Stalin has to take the critical share of the blame for the origin of the Cold War. That’s not to say America was simply innocent, but the fact is that had Stalin not chosen a path of confrontation then we would not have chosen such a path either.

But on the other hand, a path of honest peace would have ended the Soviet system in a few years, as it ended up doing at the end of the 1980’s. The problem was that what the USSR called Communism was diabolically flawed and could never be reformed, only removed and replaced. It could not survive sustained contact between the people it ruled and free societies.

And with that, I’m signing off for the night.

194 William Lewis  Jul 5, 2015 9:29:17pm

re: #193 Dark_Falcon

I have to go as well. Good night all.

195 RealityBasedSteve  Jul 5, 2015 9:30:16pm

re: #187 Eclectic Cyborg

Ok guys, I’m no expert blogger like Charles, but I’ve been doing what I can having both a family, a full time job and various other extracurriculars. For the first little while I’ve been primarily focusing on content because I figure “hey, if you don’t have good content, you have a blog no one cares about.

The blog is still very much a work in progress but day by day it’s getting to closer to my full vision. It is a poetry blog but I’m hoping to expand it into other writing related venues as well.

Here’s the link for anyone interested:

Man…Spirit…Pen

All compliments/critiques welcome.

Looks good. I’m “design impared” so take that for what it’s worth. I noticed a distinct lack of Comic Sans font, so you’ve got that working for you.

Good job.

RBS

196 RealityBasedSteve  Jul 5, 2015 9:35:57pm

Well, Starship Trooper is done, and Amazon must have felt for me, because now I’ve got a whopping 1 dollar credit for digital music or video purchases.

Actually not bad, the parody aspect was excellent. Having not read the book (that I can recall) I don’t have a dog in the “Book-Movie” argument on this one.

“Let’s go you apes, you want to live forever?”

RBS

197 goddamnedfrank  Jul 5, 2015 9:50:44pm

re: #174 gwangung

Morally, I think the director spat upon the original work and had no moral right to use the title.

Starship Troopers was one of those film projects that probably shouldn’t even have been attempted before the more recent developments in CGI. 1997 was just too soon, the work on the bugs was actually pretty decent for the most part but they obviously didn’t feel ready to tackle the mechanized infantry suits as Heinlein described them. Their solution, to just have massed infantry running around in the open like idiots, was hokey as hell.

198 austin_blue  Jul 5, 2015 9:56:16pm

re: #61 Shiplord Kirel

Eegad! I’m not sure my minivan will do 85. My robber baron car will though. Maybe I should equip it with a brush guard to fend off any peasants who get in the way.

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Wild hogs. Hogs are the new speed bumps in Texas. But a 500-pound hog-shaped speed bump will tear your robber baron car into itsy bitsy pieces and catapult you through the windshield when you hit it at 85 mph.

199 Jack Burton  Jul 5, 2015 10:03:26pm

re: #197 goddamnedfrank

Starship Troopers was one of those film projects that probably shouldn’t even have been attempted before the more recent developments in CGI. 1997 was just too soon, the work on the bugs was actually pretty decent for the most part but they obviously didn’t feel ready to tackle the mechanized infantry suits as Heinlein described them. Their solution, to just have massed infantry running around in the open like idiots was hokey as hell.

Not sure if this is entirely true, but I’ve read that the script for Starship Troopers was originally for a completely unrelated sci-fi flick called “Bug Hunt at Outpost Nine” or something. During pre-production the studio acquired the rights to Starship Troopers and just slapped the title on this other script, with a few minor changes and changing the names of the characters.

200 freetoken  Jul 5, 2015 10:04:52pm

re: #187 Eclectic Cyborg

Has that poetic feel to a layout, someone who likes the nature of words and languages.

Getting eyes-on-blog is the real challenge. Since it is a blogger.com blog you should be able to integrate the various Google mechanisms to bet it more visibility.

Facebook is, sad to say, a good way to pimp a blog. If you are in Facebook groups with good traffic they can send eyes your way.

201 teleskiguy  Jul 5, 2015 10:05:47pm

Look at this guido that made it!!

I apologize to all the folks who don’t like the work ‘guido’. I understand it can be offensive.

202 freetoken  Jul 5, 2015 10:06:52pm

re: #187 Eclectic Cyborg

I would recommend increasing the contrast between the text and the background. Right now with grey text on grey background the text can be hard to read.

203 teleskiguy  Jul 5, 2015 10:09:13pm

Renowned space archaeologist Alice Gorman (@drspacejunk) agrees with me about vaccines.

204 austin_blue  Jul 5, 2015 10:13:38pm

re: #201 teleskiguy

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Look at this guido that made it!!

I apologize to all the folks who don’t like the work ‘guido’. I understand it can be offensive.

Well, then, there is the new Italian tire brand called “Dago”. Dago through mud, Dago through snow, and when Dago flat, Dago wop wop wop!

(With props to Mario Caruso, who told me that joke in Hot Springs, Arkysaw.)

205 goddamnedfrank  Jul 5, 2015 10:21:08pm

I still amazed that Carly Lloyd scored her third goal today from the midfield line. That was crazy.

206 prairiefire  Jul 5, 2015 10:24:14pm

re: #187 Eclectic Cyborg

I like the header photos. More abstract looking ones like the clock make the reader start to be inquisitive and open, IMO.

207 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Jul 5, 2015 10:25:17pm

re: #170 William Lewis

If you want to check him out, good starting points are Glory Road, The Moon Is A Harsh Mistress, Have Space Suit Will Travel, and perhaps best of all, the short story collection “The Past Through Tomorrow”. Almost all of the rest have good bits and interesting ideas but are more difficult for one reason or another.

The Moon Is a Harsh Mistress was my first non-juvenile SF novel. I remember my buddy Steve and I were in the school library in 7th grade, and he reco’d the book to me. After that, I started to consume all the Heinlein and SF our library had to offer.

Then I didn’t quite get all the political and social commentary RAH put into his books, but he could spin a good yarn and hold my attention no trouble.

208 teleskiguy  Jul 5, 2015 10:26:15pm

Man, I’ve committed many typos while I’ve been doing my internet thing tonight. They’re minor as all hell, still.

209 austin_blue  Jul 5, 2015 10:26:51pm

re: #205 goddamnedfrank

I still amazed that Carly Lloyd scored her third goal today from the midfield line. That was crazy.

She was a yard or so inside it, but it is certainly one of the longest goals in WWC history. There have been similar goals over time in the men’s game, but it was an absolutely remarkable poach of a shot.

Brilliant play by a brilliant player.

210 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Jul 5, 2015 10:29:40pm

re: #208 teleskiguy

Man, I’ve committed many typos while I’ve been doing my internet thing tonight. They’re minor as all hell, still.

That’s OK. Another season and you’ll be ready for the Big League drafts.

211 SteveMcGaziBolaGate  Jul 5, 2015 10:30:12pm

re: #205 goddamnedfrank

I still amazed that Carly Lloyd scored her third goal today from the midfield line. That was crazy.

I’d like to know what the goalie was thinking playing so far in front of the goal.

212 SteveMcGaziBolaGate  Jul 5, 2015 10:34:19pm

The thing about soccer that really blows my mind is the goal kick. It seems pretty innocuous, but kicking the ball to midfield for what amounts to a 50/50 jump ball is better odds than having your teammates bring the ball up themselves.

213 goddamnedfrank  Jul 5, 2015 10:34:20pm

re: #211 SteveMcGaziBolaGate

I’d like to know what the goalie was thinking playing so far in front of the goal.

She was probably thinking her team was down three points and needed to put the pressure on. Problem is it was way too early still in the game for that shit.

214 teleskiguy  Jul 5, 2015 10:37:59pm

That shit was a ‘magical’ concert experience. The crowd energy buried the needle.

215 SteveMcGaziBolaGate  Jul 5, 2015 10:37:59pm

re: #213 goddamnedfrank

She was probably thinking her team was down three points and needed to put the pressure on. Problem is it was way too early still in the game for that shit.

I understand the rest of the team wanting to put the pressure on, but the goalie doesn’t put the pressure on. If anything, the goalie knows that she is plying with a light defense and should most definitely NOT be 20 yards away from the goal line when the other team has possession of the ball.

216 austin_blue  Jul 5, 2015 10:38:31pm

re: #207 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

The Moon Is a Harsh Mistress was my first non-juvenile SF novel. I remember my buddy Steve and I were in the school library in 7th grade, and he reco’d the book to me. After that, I started to consume all the Heinlein and SF our library had to offer.

Then I didn’t quite get all the political and social commentary RAH put into his books, but he could spin a good yarn and hold my attention no trouble.

For an excellent, quick, humorous, and insightful read of remarkable quotes on the human condition, just Google “The Notebooks of Lazarus Long”.

Between laughing your ass off, there are a lot of “Hmms”.

Which is a damn good indication that you are reading someone with some intellectual oomph.

God bless RAH.

217 SteveMcGaziBolaGate  Jul 5, 2015 10:42:11pm

re: #214 teleskiguy

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That shit was a ‘magical’ concert experience. The crowd energy buried the needle.

Strangely, whenever I heard the Floyd play it, it was always disappointing. It was somehow subdued or something. In fact, I don’t think they were a very good concert band. Great effects and other stuff, but the music comes first (they’re a BAND for God’s sake). In the Live at Pompeii movie, one of the guys expresses the thought that the audience doesn’t want to come and hear them just play their songs, they want more. Which is fine, but let me repeat: You’re a BAND!

218 teleskiguy  Jul 5, 2015 10:46:34pm

re: #217 SteveMcGaziBolaGate

The Umphreys, being just a cover band (not really, but you know what I mean) aren’t shackled with Pink Floyd and their bigger-than-life albums and shows. Which is why I think The Umphreys actually beat them at their own game when they played “Shine On You Crazy Diamond” on Friday night. They sandwiched SOYCD in between some Umphreys bullshit.

219 austin_blue  Jul 5, 2015 10:48:24pm

re: #215 SteveMcGaziBolaGate

I understand the rest of the team wanting to put the pressure on, but the goalie doesn’t put the pressure on. If anything, the goalie knows that she is plying with a light defense and should most definitely NOT be 20 yards away from the goal line when the other team has possession of the ball.

Actually, the goalie is often an active offensive player, especially when a team is behind, playing at a high level in the field distributing passes back up to midfielders to build an attack.

In hockey, goalies are pulled to add an attacker at the end of games. It’s just a flavor of that concept in football. The Most Valuable Player for the US just took advantage of it and scored a goal for the ages.

220 SteveMcGaziBolaGate  Jul 5, 2015 10:48:27pm

re: #207 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

I was lucky enough (or unlucky) to have Foundation for my first SF book. It was a great story that depended very little on sci-fi stuff, and was very credible. (I found some sci-fi devices to be pretty far-fetched to the point of ridiculousness). That continued pretty much for the rest of the trilogy. It could almost have been set in the waning days of the Roman Empire. I also had the privilege of reading a ton of Isaac Asimov essays that had been compiled into books.

221 teleskiguy  Jul 5, 2015 10:52:12pm

I find it very cool and fascinating that people in Australia are sharing a tweet of mine as we speak. The internet is connectivity, after all.

222 SteveMcGaziBolaGate  Jul 5, 2015 10:54:24pm

re: #219 austin_blue

I’m hip but I think she momentarily lost focus. It only takes a second to get exposed at that level.

223 BeenHereAwhile  Jul 5, 2015 10:55:07pm

re: #11 Jenner7

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re: #216 austin_blue

For an excellent, quick, humorous, and insightful read of remarkable quotes on the human condition, just Google “The Notebooks of Lazarus Long”.

Between laughing your ass off, there are a lot of “Hmms”.

Which is a damn good indication that you are reading someone with some intellectual oomph.

God bless RAH.

“A human being should be able to change a diaper, plan an invasion, butcher a hog, conn a ship, design a building, write a sonnet, balance accounts, build a wall, set a bone, comfort the dying, take orders, give orders, cooperate, act alone, solve equations, analyze a new problem, pitch manure, program a computer, cook a tasty meal, fight efficiently, die gallantly.
Specialization is for insects.”

Robert A. Heinlein

224 austin_blue  Jul 5, 2015 11:00:06pm

re: #220 SteveMcGaziBolaGate

I was lucky enough (or unlucky) to have Foundation for my first SF book. It was a great story that depended very little on sci-fi stuff, and was very credible. (I found some sci-fi devices to be pretty far-fetched to the point of ridiculousness). That continued pretty much for the rest of the trilogy. It could almost have been set in the waning days of the Roman Empire. I also had the privilege of reading a ton of Isaac Asimov essays that had been compiled into books.

My entry was Dune. in 1972. That did it. I was hooked. Not long after I discovered Harlan Ellison.

Hoo boy. Brutal, brutal shit. Then James Tiptree, Jr. Even more brutal shit.

Presently reading Stephenson’s new SEVENEVES.

Death of the Earth as a starting point.

This is fiction that challenges.

225 austin_blue  Jul 5, 2015 11:05:06pm

re: #222 SteveMcGaziBolaGate

I’m hip but I think she momentarily lost focus. It only takes a second to get exposed at that level.

She was also falling as the ball came in. There was a fair amount of slippage on that field tonight. The pitch may not have been in the best of shape.

In any case, Lloyd took full advantage of the situation and launched a shot for all time.

226 goddamnedfrank  Jul 5, 2015 11:12:46pm

re: #219 austin_blue

Actually, the goalie is often an active offensive player, especially when a team is behind, playing at a high level in the field distributing passes back up to midfielders to build an attack.

In hockey, goalies are pulled to add an attacker at the end of games. It’s just a flavor of that concept in football. The Most Valuable Player for the US just took advantage of it and scored a goal for the ages.

Exactly, we saw Bardsley and Angerer come out at various points in the third place match. Solo came out several times today to take free kicks FAR outside the box. The thing is you can’t stay out very far unless you’ve forced the entire opposing side into the bottom half of their territory.

re: #225 austin_blue

She was also falling as the ball came in. There was a fair amount of slippage on that field tonight. The pitch may not have been in the best of shape.

In any case, Lloyd took full advantage of the situation and launched a shot for the ages.

This will be the last time FIFA makes women play on artificial turf. They actually mandated it for reasons that nobody quite understands except for cost and the fact that Blatter and the management don’t show much respect the women’s game. They don’t make the men play on that shit and there was quite a bit of noise about this as the tournament began.

Artificial turf ups the injury rate all around. Also unlike real grass it doesn’t reflect IR, contain water or respire, so the midday matches were like playing on a hot plate.

227 LastYearsMan  Jul 5, 2015 11:20:45pm

re: #224 austin_blue

Just finished Seveneves. Really liked it. Reminded me a lot of Rendezvous at Rama (the dry, science-heaviness of it all). But the best SF of the past 20 years, imho, was Peter Watts’ Blindsight. Mindblowing, wonderful stuff about a first-contact situation with an alien race that is truly alien (and available for free at Watts’ website).

Loved the movie Starship Troopers, but mostly because it was so wonderfully ludicrous (and the point of the movie was pretty much the opposite of what most critics thought). But there are a lot of movies that are significantly different from the book and are better for it. Three of the most obvious examples: Blade Runner, The Shining, Wonderboys.

228 teleskiguy  Jul 5, 2015 11:23:55pm

Fuck. Really? I’m talking with some genuine dumbass on Twitter who thinks that me saying vaccines are important is wrong or offensive.

229 teleskiguy  Jul 5, 2015 11:26:24pm
230 The Dude Abides  Jul 5, 2015 11:31:41pm

re: #66 Dark_Falcon

No, it’s just stained with the taint of racism and terrorism in a different, more modern way.

231 Dr Lizardo  Jul 5, 2015 11:48:15pm

re: #135 Eclectic Cyborg

Joining in a bit late owing to time zone differences, but one I’d love to see is a big-screen adaptation of Arthur C. Clarke’s Childhood’s End. Certainly, the technology exists to create the Overlords for Silver Screen (and they’d better look like how they did in “Barlowe’s Guide to Extraterrestrials”!) but such a film will likely never be made because the ending would be considered “depressing” by the Hollywood players.

David Fincher was lined up to direct Rendezvous With Rama, and as to why that particular sci-fi masterpiece will never see the light of day in cinemas is best explained by the writers at Cracked Magazine:

Sci-Fi fans seem doomed to choose between silly action movies (like Transformers or Independence Day) and slow, existential lower-budget fare (like Solaris). What we want is more films like The Matrix, goddamnit, where they can delve into metaphysical ideas and still get a solid hour of zero-gravity kung fu. (Seriously, Hollywood, why is that so hard?) Fans saw a ray of light a few years ago with word that none other than Fight Club’s David Fincher was on board to direct a big-budget adaptation of Rendezvous with Rama, an Arthur C. Clarke classic about a mysterious 30 mile-long cylinder that comes humming toward Earth like Gaia’s lost vibrator.

Why it didn’t get made: Money. If you want to make a Rama film you’ll need nine digits just to get a seat at the table (remember, Fincher is the guy who needed a $90 million budget to make a movie about two guys fighting in their basement).

Merchandising on Rama wouldn’t exactly be a gold mine, either. Little Timmy isn’t going to spend hours with his 100 foot-long plastic Rama mothership, contemplating how it symbolizes man’s eternal struggle against the cosmic unknown. While the producers hunted in vain for funding, Fincher’s schedule filled up with other, less interesting projects (Panic Room, Zodiac).

And while we’re on the subject: Fincher was supposed to direct Mission Impossible III as well. If he had taken the job, he could have simultaneously saved both that franchise and the TV show Lost, which languished without JJ Abrams (who had to basically abandon it in order to direct MI:III).

And this is an Overlord:

232 austin_blue  Jul 5, 2015 11:55:41pm

re: #226 goddamnedfrank

Exactly, we saw Bardsley and Angerer come out at various points in the third place match. Solo came out several times today to take free kicks FAR outside the box. The thing is you can’t stay out very far unless you’ve forced the entire opposing side into the bottom half of their territory.

This will be the last time FIFA makes women play on artificial turf. They actually mandated it for reasons that nobody quite understands except for cost and the fact that Blatter and the management don’t show much respect the women’s game. They don’t make the men play on that shit and there was quite a bit of noise about this as the tournament began.

Artificial turf ups the injury rate all around. Also unlike real grass it doesn’t reflect IR, contain water or respire, so the midday matches were like playing on a hot plate.

One can only hope. Artificial turf sucks on so many levels. Football needs to be played on grass. So does American football

233 freetoken  Jul 5, 2015 11:57:41pm

re: #231 Dr Lizardo

Quite a bit of good literature will not be made into major movies, at least in America, because the stories don’t end happily. Heck, even Shakespeare plays are too much of a downer for a lot of audiences.

There are always the exceptions, often low budget, made by directors who do it out of love for the art. And these creations get assigned to “art houses” to be seen.

The small screen is a bit better in this regards, as happy endings are not always needed and smaller budgets too give a bit more freedom.

234 teleskiguy  Jul 6, 2015 12:01:27am

Jesus fucking Christ there’s some anti-vaxx people on Twitter! Fuckin’ hell!

235 Dr Lizardo  Jul 6, 2015 12:05:29am

re: #233 freetoken

Quite a bit of good literature will not be made into major movies, at least in America, because the stories don’t end happily. Heck, even Shakespeare plays are too much of a downer for a lot of audiences.

There are always the exceptions, often low budget, made by directors who do it out of love for the art. And these creations get assigned to “art houses” to be seen.

The small screen is a bit better in this regards, as happy endings are not always needed and smaller budgets too give a bit more freedom.

A Rendezvous With Rama or Childhood’s End miniseries? Maybe on HBO - that could be interesting. Hopefully, they’d choose a script that adhered closely to the source material, even if it is something of a downer (particularly in the case of Childhood’s End, where

humanity goes extinct, and Earth is destroyed.)

236 austin_blue  Jul 6, 2015 12:07:54am

re: #234 teleskiguy

Jesus fucking Christ there’s some anti-vaxx people on Twitter! Fuckin’ hell!

Just send them this and watch their heads explode:

nytimes.com

237 freetoken  Jul 6, 2015 12:12:32am

re: #235 Dr Lizardo

Compare the original BBC adaptation of THGTHG, first radio then TV, with the American movie version. The American movie created a new ending so a love story could end with boy gets girl. The original of course ends smack in the middle existential neutrality and the fact that the universe doesn’t have to make sense.

238 Dr Lizardo  Jul 6, 2015 12:15:40am

re: #237 freetoken

Compare the original BBC adaptation of THGTHG, first radio then TV, with the American movie version. The American movie created a new ending so a love story could end with boy gets girl. The original of course ends smack in the middle existential neutrality and the fact that the universe doesn’t have to make sense.

I have little doubt that American audiences in particular would’ve had quite a difficult time accepting such an ending.

239 Dr Lizardo  Jul 6, 2015 12:17:00am

Meanwhile, in a rather unexpected move, Greece’s Finance Minister, Yanis Varoufakis, has tendered his resignation. I didn’t see that coming.

Live coverage on the Greece situation here from the BBC:

bbc.com

240 freetoken  Jul 6, 2015 12:18:02am

re: #238 Dr Lizardo

I have little doubt that American audiences in particular would’ve had quite a difficult time accepting such an ending.

I agree. But it is the great punchline of the book. Adams knew how to tell a cute and entertaining story, but if one wanted to draw lessons from it nevertheless, the salient heart of the story is that we humans try to make sense of the universe based on projecting our humanity on it, but that is just folly.

241 Dr Lizardo  Jul 6, 2015 12:30:05am

re: #240 freetoken

I agree. But it is the great punchline of the book. Adams knew how to tell a cute and entertaining story, but if one wanted to draw lessons from it nevertheless, the salient heart of the story is that we humans try to make sense of the universe based on projecting our humanity on it, but that is just folly.

It’s like the idea that the universe itself is infinite, both in chronology and in scale.

Try wrapping your head around the notion of infinity. It’s genuinely mind-blowing; we are, after all, finite beings, and it’s impossible for us to grasp the idea of something that had no definitive beginning and has no end - it just goes on and on forever.

Such a notion is, in many ways, profoundly distressing to the human mind. It simply serves to remind the individual of how utterly insignificant they really are. Furthermore, an infinite universe, one that has no definitive beginning, entirely negates the concept of deity. If the entirety of the universe has no starting point, then there is certainly no creator deity to have set it all in motion. It simply is.

And that concept plays havoc with our sense of being and our individual sense of importance, that our lives matter or are meaningful in some fashion.

242 Dr Lizardo  Jul 6, 2015 12:50:27am

A pretty decent analysis here on the current situation in Greece: It boils down to the fact that we’re in terra incognita right now, and no one knows what lies ahead.

mobile.breakingviews.com

243 Dr Lizardo  Jul 6, 2015 1:06:23am

re: #241 Dr Lizardo

And in response to the notion of infinity, I think the eminently quotable H.P. Lovecraft nicely expressed what would happen under such a scenario:

“The sciences, each straining in its own direction, have hitherto harmed us little; but some day the piecing together of dissociated knowledge will open up such terrifying vistas of reality, and of our frightful position therein, that we shall either go mad from the revelation or flee from the deadly light into the peace and safety of a new dark age. “

- from The Call of Cthulhu

244 teleskiguy  Jul 6, 2015 1:12:04am

re: #243 Dr Lizardo

- from The Call of Cthulhu

245 Amory Blaine  Jul 6, 2015 1:17:10am

I’ve been digging this version.

246 teleskiguy  Jul 6, 2015 1:41:44am

re: #245 Amory Blaine

Not Umphrey’s McGee Red Rocks from Friday night.

A version by the band, playing at a big music festival in West Virginia six years ago.

247 Dr Lizardo  Jul 6, 2015 2:40:47am

Well, a bit more on the unfolding situation in Greece:

The BBC’s Mark Lowen in Athens says PM Tsipras is “now in a race against time to stop an all-out collapse of Greek banks”. He told the BBC World Service that the No camp’s celebrations went on into the early hours, but “there is a sense of real emergency now” and the situation is “pretty bleak”. “Greek banks could collapse within days if they don’t get emergency liquidity from the ECB. It will only lend if the banks are solvent - which they’re not - or if Greece is in a bailout scheme - and it isn’t.” There are still queues outside the banks and supplies are getting lower in some shops, he reports. Businesses are unable to pay their suppliers because of capital controls, and tax revenues have plummeted.

bbc.com

Now the rest of the EU is going to have to decide whether it’s really worth it to save Greece, or to let them go. That’s a hell of a decision to make. Happy to say that thankfully, such matters are far above my paygrade.

248 Dr Lizardo  Jul 6, 2015 3:03:58am

And here’s a diplomatic middle finger from the Germans to Greece:

The door remains open for bailout talks with Greece, following the No vote, but they cannot start yet, German Chancellor Angela Merkel’s spokesman says.

“In light of the decision by the Greek citizens, the conditions to start negotiations on a new aid programme are not met yet”, Steffen Seibert said.

Methinks the Greeks may have just screwed the pooch.

249 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Jul 6, 2015 3:32:32am

re: #62 Backwoods_Sleuth

Wooooot, Sasha Obama at the World Cup Final!

Notice that it is the white girl next to her who is wrapped up in the US flag. Sasha has learned to hate America from her Socilist parents!

250 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Jul 6, 2015 3:35:58am

re: #121 b_sharp

Are you nuts?

I read the original IN BOOK FORM.

The movie sucked as a representation of the book.

Exactly. The film is kind of entertaining in its own right, but what fascinated me about the book were the troopers fighting in self-contained powered suits.

Those were totally left out of the story. And the book makes it clear that those suits are what make a cap trooper.

251 Targetpractice  Jul 6, 2015 3:38:09am

re: #248 Dr Lizardo

And here’s a diplomatic middle finger from the Germans to Greece:

Methinks the Greeks may have just screwed the pooch.

There really is something amazing about watching a country commit economic suicide. Not pleasant, but amazing.

252 Varek Raith  Jul 6, 2015 3:38:17am

re: #250 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

Exactly. The film is kind of entertaining in its own right, but what fascinated me about the book were the troopers fighting in self-contained powered suits.

Those were totally left out of the story. And the book makes it clear that those suits are what make a cap trooper.

I was severely disappointed with the lack of power armor in the movie.

253 Dr Lizardo  Jul 6, 2015 3:45:29am

re: #251 Targetpractice

There really is something amazing about watching a country commit economic suicide. Not pleasant, but amazing.

Yeah, it’s like witnessing a slow-motion car wreck. It’s horrifying, but you can’t help but watch.

254 Archangelus  Jul 6, 2015 3:55:58am

re: #231 Dr Lizardo

re: #235 Dr Lizardo

I take it you don’t know about this?

Both looking forward to and dreading this when it comes out in December..

255 Dr Lizardo  Jul 6, 2015 3:59:39am

re: #254 Archangelus

I take it you don’t know about this?

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Both looking forward to, and dreading, this when it comes out in December..

Mmmm…..put me in the “dreading it” column.

256 Jayleia  Jul 6, 2015 4:01:56am

re: #252 Varek Raith

I’m severely disappointed in the lack of power armor in general…

257 Targetpractice  Jul 6, 2015 4:02:50am

I’m ambivalent on Syfy miniseries, as they tend to be at least fairly entertaining, but the last one was a severe disappointment, because it was a case of advertising bait-and-switch that I didn’t appreciate.

258 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Jul 6, 2015 4:11:38am

253: Yeah, it’s like witnessing a slow-motion car wreck. It’s horrifying, but you can’t help but watch.

They could have pulled the handbrake years ago and the car would only have smashed in its front end. Now it is about to be totaled.

259 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Jul 6, 2015 4:18:55am

re: #220 SteveMcGaziBolaGate

re: #216 austin_blue

re: #224 austin_blue

Just came back from doing teaching stuff, so I’ll reply to all three of these at once.

Prior to reading TMIAHM, my only exposure to SF was Star Trek and assorted YA SF books. One of those I am sure was by Heinlein, though it’s been too many years to be sure which one. Heinlein is really the author who made me a fan of SF. Then I discovered Asimov and Clarke, and others of course. My friends in college introduced me to other authors, including Frank Herbert. I went through a dry spell for a long while, then picked up my SF again a couple of years ago. I have a LOT of catching up to do.

I think I read Foundation in high school, Dune in college.

As for Starship Troopers, I saw the movie long before I read the book. I know all the backstory of how Verhoeven put a thin Heinlein veneer over his original movie, but considered as work unto itself, the movie Starship Troopers is not bad, sort of “it’s so bad it’s good.”

There were no sequels worth mentioning.

Denise Richards looks great, but her acting is less (ful)filling.

260 Varek Raith  Jul 6, 2015 4:20:33am

re: #256 Jayleia

I’m severely disappointed in the lack of power armor in general…

Enclave power armor for everyone!

261 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Jul 6, 2015 4:32:55am

For the second time in three weeks, my websites are down again — 500 internal server errors. After the first crash, which my hosts said was caused by an email spammer, they said everything was hunky-dory. Apparently not now.

262 Targetpractice  Jul 6, 2015 4:36:01am

re: #260 Varek Raith

Enclave power armor for everyone!

I am so looking forward to the power armor in Fallout 4. It looks like it will actually be truly power armor, rather than just a slightly stronger set of armor you equip.

263 Amory Blaine  Jul 6, 2015 4:41:53am
264 Amory Blaine  Jul 6, 2015 4:48:14am

Sending in ground troops to a planet with millions of bugs on it is pretty dumb (eye candy) but I like the movie.

265 goddamnedfrank  Jul 6, 2015 4:49:49am

Vox’s resident “soccer expert” wrote this four days ago (the date on the article is the date of the update, not the original article.):

Central midfielders are responsible for winning the ball, keeping it, advancing attacks and mitigating risks. The best players are good at all of these things, and almost all top teams have a player who fits that bill. Morgan Brian, just 22, is the first true modern midfielder to break through to the USWNT setup. Germany has Dzsenifer Marozsán, France has Amandine Henry, Brazil has Andressa and Japan has Mizuho Sakaguchi. They’re all balanced players who excel at keeping their respective teams together; both attack and defense would be a mess without them on the field.

And then there are players like Lloyd, a relic of a time gone by. Her turnovers weren’t punished as harshly when women’s soccer was a game that was mostly about individual athleticism, and it’s not like there were considerably less turnover-prone players behind her. But as the years have gone by and the game has shifted into something different, one now defined by midfield positioning and possession, Lloyd’s deficiencies have gradually become more obvious. Now that every top team has technically skilled, tactically drilled, do-everything midfielders — including the United States — Lloyd sticks out like a sore thumb. “Oh god,” you realize, “that’s how everyone used to play soccer. How did we watch that? We’ve come so far.”

But she’s still out there, amongst players who actually know how to play soccer.

I don’t want to insult Lloyd, who has brought me so much joy as a sports fan, but there isn’t any better way to put it. She doesn’t look like she knows how to play soccer.

She will start against Japan on Sunday, and if you are a fan of the United States, she will piss you off. She will look utterly uncoordinated and touch the ball directly to Japan players at least a half-dozen times in the first half. You will wonder what the hell you’re watching, how this is a world class professional footballer, and if these mistakes will cost the Americans the World Cup. In roughly the 65th minute*, she’ll score a screamer from 25 yards, and the USWNT will win the World Cup because of it.

HAHAHA okay bro.

He actually wanted to write this great thinkpiece about how Lloyd is a clutch player and that’s why she’s still around, which is true. You see that at the very end where he predicts she’ll score the game winning goal. However the hyperbole he employs to get there would have been ridiculous even without the hat trick she pulled off yesterday. Add to that the “I don’t want to be insulting but” string of insults and his ridiculous prediction of how the game would unfold and he just looks like an idiot who likes to talk out of his ass.

I think from now on I’m just going to put all of the Vox media properties behind donotlink because they’re proving themselves to pretty much be a joke.

266 Romantic Heretic  Jul 6, 2015 4:55:01am

re: #197 goddamnedfrank

Starship Troopers was one of those film projects that probably shouldn’t even have been attempted before the more recent developments in CGI. 1997 was just too soon, the work on the bugs was actually pretty decent for the most part but they obviously didn’t feel ready to tackle the mechanized infantry suits as Heinlein described them. Their solution, to just have massed infantry running around in the open like idiots, was hokey as hell.

Even with modern CGI the combat aspects of the book would be boring to most people. Most of the time the MI were jumping around on patrol with a minimum of 3 kilometres distance between files. They couldn’t even see each other save as blips on a radar screen.

Pretty dull stuff.

267 goddamnedfrank  Jul 6, 2015 4:58:52am

The writer of that ridiculous article is also being combative as hell because that’s what we’ve come to expect from idiot writers who talk 100 pounds of mostly bullshit -> brag about the single ounce they got right.

268 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Jul 6, 2015 5:02:43am

re: #266 Romantic Heretic

Even with modern CGI the combat aspects of the book would be boring to most people. Most of the time the MI were jumping around on patrol with a minimum of 3 kilometres distance between files. They couldn’t even see each other save as blips on a radar screen.

Pretty dull stuff.

Yes, but I spent a lot of time envisioning how to make that look and feel interesting on screen. Certainly possible with enough creativity and CGI computing power

269 Romantic Heretic  Jul 6, 2015 5:03:55am

re: #203 teleskiguy

Renowned space archaeologist Alice Gorman (@drspacejunk) agrees with me about vaccines.

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There’s a cemetery here in Toronto; Mount Pleasant Cemetery. It’s frickin’ huge. I often walk there because it’s interesting to read the headstones and wonder about the people there.

In one isolated corner there is a place with no headstones, just small granite squares in the ground, many of which are overgrown. On the map, as I recall, it’s in the lower right hand corner of area 5. Every square that can be read tells the reader that a child is buried there. They all died in about a six year period just before WWI.

It’s the saddest place in the whole cemetery.

270 Targetpractice  Jul 6, 2015 5:05:55am

I enjoy Starship Troopers in sort of the spirit I think it was meant, namely as a satire like Robocop was. Verhoeven sort of poking holes in Heinlein’s story. Then again, perhaps I’m just over-analyzing it.

271 Feline Fearless Leader  Jul 6, 2015 5:06:56am

re: #251 Targetpractice

There really is something amazing about watching a country commit economic suicide. Not pleasant, but amazing.

An acquaintance of mine has a brother living in Athens. Not fun being on the ground there, and it’s almost impossible to help out from here since with the banks (and ATMs) essentially closed in Greece you can’t transfer solvent funds to them. And putting stuff in the mail is risky as well due to the level of corruption in the mail service along the lines of mail being “lost” or having items stolen from packages.

272 Romantic Heretic  Jul 6, 2015 5:07:29am

re: #223 BeenHereAwhile

Words to live by.

273 Romantic Heretic  Jul 6, 2015 5:09:40am

re: #224 austin_blue

My entry was Dune. in 1972. That did it. I was hooked. Not long after I discovered Harlan Ellison.

Hoo boy. Brutal, brutal shit. Then James Tiptree, Jr. Even more brutal shit.

Presently reading Stephenson’s new SEVENEVES.

Death of the Earth as a starting point.

This is fiction that challenges.

Must read that one. Stephenson’s The Diamond Age is one of my all time favourite works.

274 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Jul 6, 2015 5:11:22am

re: #273 Romantic Heretic

Must read that one. Stephenson’s The Diamond Age is one of my all time favourite works.

Seconded.

275 Feline Fearless Leader  Jul 6, 2015 5:12:23am

re: #266 Romantic Heretic

Even with modern CGI the combat aspects of the book would be boring to most people. Most of the time the MI were jumping around on patrol with a minimum of 3 kilometres distance between files. They couldn’t even see each other save as blips on a radar screen.

Pretty dull stuff.

And if you shrunk the battlefield the scene would look like the end fight from Iron Man III except that all the suits would be identical.

(Though I expect if they went there the MI would possibly allow some decoration of suits - so it might look like a WW1 dogfight. Or, at least if I was making the movie that would be my explanation for having individualized looking suits to allow for differentiation of the characters when suited up.)

276 Romantic Heretic  Jul 6, 2015 5:13:39am

re: #237 freetoken

Compare the original BBC adaptation of THGTHG, first radio then TV, with the American movie version. The American movie created a new ending so a love story could end with boy gets girl. The original of course ends smack in the middle existential neutrality and the fact that the universe doesn’t have to make sense.

And as God’s Last Message To The Universe makes clear He feels badly about that.

277 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Jul 6, 2015 5:13:41am

re: #270 Targetpractice

I enjoy Starship Troopers in sort of the spirit I think it was meant, namely as a satire like Robocop was. Verhoeven sort of poking holes in Heinlein’s story. Then again, perhaps I’m just over-analyzing it.

It leaves out the entire backstory about how their autocratic society came about in the aftermath of WWIII, when governments collapsed and abandoned veterans and POWs simply established some sort of order.

278 goddamnedfrank  Jul 6, 2015 5:14:40am

re: #271 Feline Fearless Leader

An acquaintance of mine has a brother living in Athens. Not fun being on the ground there, and it’s almost impossible to help out from here since with the banks (and ATMs) essentially closed in Greece you can’t transfer solvent funds to them. And putting stuff in the mail is risky as well due to the level of corruption in the mail service along the lines of mail being “lost” or having items stolen from packages.

Word is they’re not even allowing people to take cash out of their safety deposit boxes. In the middle of a liquidity crisis they’re keeping people from putting cash that’s just sitting back into circulation. That seems really crazy, I don’t get the point of it at all.

279 Feline Fearless Leader  Jul 6, 2015 5:15:15am

Good morning Lizards! Back in Philly from Boston and trying to piece together my mess of emails.

From a SF reading standpoint my starting point was _Have Spacesuit, Will Travel_ (Heinlein) and then running through all the Asimov the library had due to reading _Nightfall and Other Stories_. Haven’t stopped since then.

Heinlein just had a way of writing prose that was highly readable and entertaining. One reason I like like Bujold since I think her approach and prose makes for interesting reading that just flows. She also avoids the use of the 10-page infodump.

280 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Jul 6, 2015 5:18:54am

re: #279 Feline Fearless Leader

Good morning Lizards! Back in Philly from Boston and trying to piece together my mess of emails.

From a SF reading standpoint my starting point was _Have Spacesuit, Will Travel_ (Heinlein) and then running through all the Asimov the library had due to reading _Nightfall and Other Stories_. Haven’t stopped since then.

Heinlein just had a way of writing prose that was highly readable and entertaining. One reason I like like Bujold since I think her approach and prose makes for interesting reading that just flows. She also avoids the use of the 10-page infodump.

Heinlein first started writing short stories and juvenile fiction, both of which require “light, tight and bright” prose style, to borrow a phrase from newspaper writing. His longer works maintained that style.

For similar reasons, I recommend Hemingway as a good place to start for Chinese learners of English. His prose is lot more approachable than, say, jane Austen or even Margaret Mitchell.

281 Romantic Heretic  Jul 6, 2015 5:20:46am

re: #241 Dr Lizardo

It’s like the idea that the universe itself is infinite, both in chronology and in scale.

Try wrapping your head around the notion of infinity. It’s genuinely mind-blowing; we are, after all, finite beings, and it’s impossible for us to grasp the idea of something that had no definitive beginning and has no end - it just goes on and on forever.

Such a notion is, in many ways, profoundly distressing to the human mind. It simply serves to remind the individual of how utterly insignificant they really are. Furthermore, an infinite universe, one that has no definitive beginning, entirely negates the concept of deity. If the entirety of the universe has no starting point, then there is certainly no creator deity to have set it all in motion. It simply is.

And that concept plays havoc with our sense of being and our individual sense of importance, that our lives matter or are meaningful in some fashion.

Alan Moore came up with what I regard as the perfect counterpoint to the supposed insignificance of the individual in an infinite universe.

282 Mattand  Jul 6, 2015 5:33:19am

re: #281 Romantic Heretic

Alan Moore came up with what I regard as the perfect counterpoint to the supposed insignificance of the individual in an infinite universe.

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That movie was this close to adapting the comics decently. The problem?

The ending. Re-writing the finale so that Ozymandius tricking the world into uniting against Dr. Manhattan makes no sense. Dr. Manhattan was still technically an American, and was seen as an American (“God is real, and he’s an American.”)

Even though NYC suffered the same catastrophic damage as the other cities throughout the world, why would those other countries go “OMG we need to unite with America to fight Dr. Manhattan”? They most likely would have united against us and blown us off of the globe.

I’m not sure what the logic was against filming the fake psychic space squid. I seem to remember it being along the lines of “That’s too far fetched”. I might be wrong about that, but if that’s the case, it’s idiotic. You have a one-person Blue Man Group who literally warps reality with his mind. After that everything is fair game.

Certainly proves Alan Moore’s position that Hollywood can’t film his work correctly.

283 Dr Lizardo  Jul 6, 2015 5:34:39am

re: #281 Romantic Heretic

A good point - that’s one of my favorite scenes in Watchmen (an underrated film in my opinion and one of the greatest comic-book adaptations I’ve ever seen).

There’s a part of me that hears what Dr. Manhattan says and notes that it’s a purely human observation - but what else do we have? There is no other metric by which we can compare. Thus far, we have yet to encounter any extraterrestrial life forms with whom we can share their knowledge (provided that they’re a technologically superior civilization, naturally). As limited as it is, our species can only observe and measure on the basis of the sum total of the human experience thus far. There are no outside external empirical observations that we can use to determine whether our ideas about the universe are indeed factually correct.

We think we’re correct. And for the time being, that’s all we can go by.

284 William Lewis  Jul 6, 2015 5:37:23am

Looks like a great SF conversation overnight.

Heinlein was great with a few stinkers (I will Fear No Evil for example) in there.

Bujold - I dearly love the Vorkosigan books. Some of the finest ruminations on what it means to be human ever written,

Brin - really, in many ways the best heir to Heinlein. Big ideas (Earth, Existence, The Postman) with a clean crisp & tight writing style as well.

A new writer - Ann Leckie - looks to possibly be joining them with her Ancillary series (Ancillary Justice - Hugo, Ancillary Sword - nominated, and Ancillary Mercy - due out this year.) which is easily the finest pure space opera I’ve read in a very long time.

285 Mattand  Jul 6, 2015 5:37:59am

Regarding Starship Troopers: was watching that over the weekend. For a movie that’s 18 years old (ugh), I think the CGI still holds up fairly well.

286 Belafon  Jul 6, 2015 5:42:51am

#224: austin_blue

I am reading Seveneves as well. Interesting, though I think he tries to explain too much sometimes.

287 Targetpractice  Jul 6, 2015 5:45:18am

re: #285 Mattand

Regarding Starship Troopers: was watching that over the weekend. For a movie that’s 18 years old (ugh), I think the CGI still holds up fairly well.

You want a movie whose effects have held up well 20 years on? Jurassic Park.

288 Belafon  Jul 6, 2015 5:50:09am

#273 Romantic Heretic:

I liked Snow Crash.

290 Tigger2  Jul 6, 2015 5:54:50am
291 lawhawk  Jul 6, 2015 6:04:02am

Far more important politically and from a policy perspective is the claims by the right wing of an IRS coverup re: missing emails.

The Treasury Inspector General found no evidence to substantiate GOP claims of a coverup, political motivation, White House involvement, or intentional destruction of missing IRS emails.

How did the TIGTA figure this out? They compared data provided by the IRS with information that the TIGTA prepared from an independently obtained forensic analysis.

The head of the National Archives and Records Administration (NARA) also found that the IRS did nothing wrong regarding safeguarding records; the only complaint was that the IRS didn’t report the loss of data to NARA but there is no established timeframe for agencies to report losses (a shortfall in established regulations/law that Congress could/should act upon).

The GOP will continue to make these asinine claims, but there is nothing to them except that no one is sufficiently paying attention to knock them down for the bogus smears that they are.

292 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Jul 6, 2015 6:04:58am

You’d think for all the whining wingnuts do about ‘political correctness’ and ‘thought police’ and ‘speech police’ and whatnot, they’d recognize when they’re engaging in it themselves.

293 lawhawk  Jul 6, 2015 6:06:15am

re: #285 Mattand

Considering that many movies will make the set piece fights at night to mask the CGI shortcomings, the Starship Troopers CGI holds up very well. A lot of movies try to avoid the daytime shots.

The movie, as a standalone product unrelated to Heinlein is fun in a campy ironic sort of way. As a Heinlein product, it is way off.

294 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Jul 6, 2015 6:07:44am

Hmm, I don’t see the Spy Mode option. Anyone else or just my computer?

295 Targetpractice  Jul 6, 2015 6:09:32am

re: #291 lawhawk

Far more important politically and from a policy perspective is the claims by the right wing of an IRS coverup re: missing emails.

The Treasury Inspector General found no evidence to substantiate GOP claims of a coverup, political motivation, White House involvement, or intentional destruction of missing IRS emails.

How did the TIGTA figure this out? They compared data provided by the IRS with information that the TIGTA prepared from an independently obtained forensic analysis.

The head of the National Archives and Records Administration (NARA) also found that the IRS did nothing wrong regarding safeguarding records; the only complaint was that the IRS didn’t report the loss of data to NARA but there is no established timeframe for agencies to report losses (a shortfall in established regulations/law that Congress could/should act upon).

The GOP will continue to make these asinine claims, but there is nothing to them except that no one is sufficiently paying attention to knock them down for the bogus smears that they are.

The “scandal” was like most ones in the past six years: Lies and smears on the front page, corrections on page A16.

296 Charles Johnson  Jul 6, 2015 6:16:11am

Ugh.

297 Dr Lizardo  Jul 6, 2015 6:19:40am
298 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Jul 6, 2015 6:24:22am

re: #294 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse

Hmm, I don’t see the Spy Mode option. Anyone else or just my computer?

Disregard. Spy mode has reappeared.

299 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Jul 6, 2015 6:25:21am

re: #296 Charles Johnson

Ugh.

The career spiral of death.

/

300 The Vicious Babushka  Jul 6, 2015 6:26:45am

Just wait till they light up the White House Red, White & Blue for the Women’s World Cup
HURR HURR!!!! OBARRY DIDN’T LIGHT UP TEH WHITE HOUSE RED WHITE & BLUE FOR 4TH OF JULY LIKE HE DID FOR TEH GHEY!!!! PROOF HE HATES AMERCIA!!!!!!

301 Mattand  Jul 6, 2015 6:29:40am

re: #296 Charles Johnson

Ugh.

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I can see Adam Carolla pulling a Kilgore and declaring CCJ a free speech martyr, while glossing over things like doxxing rape victims.

302 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Jul 6, 2015 6:30:33am

re: #301 Mattand

I can see Adam Carolla pulling a Kilgore and declaring CCJ a free speech martyr, while glossing over things like doxxing rape victims.

When you do a podcast with CCJ you know your career has reached rock bottom.

303 The Vicious Babushka  Jul 6, 2015 6:32:02am

A co-worker just told us about a neighbor who lit of Roman Candles INSIDE THEIR HOUSE.

ALCOHOL + STUPIDS = DIE IN A FIRE

304 lawhawk  Jul 6, 2015 6:32:19am
305 urbanmeemaw  Jul 6, 2015 6:33:06am

re: #108 stpaulbear

Do you remember Herb Carneal and Ray Scott? I consider Ray Scott to be the best baseball announcer ever. His understated sense of drama was unique. Loved those ‘65 Twins. (Yeah, I’m old!)

306 Targetpractice  Jul 6, 2015 6:35:07am

re: #304 lawhawk

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Let us sit back and watch as the GOP commits electoral seppuku.

307 The Vicious Babushka  Jul 6, 2015 6:35:16am

re: #305 urbanmeemaw

Do you remember Herb Carneal and Ray Scott? I consider Ray Scott to be the best baseball announcer ever. His understated sense of drama was unique. Loved those ‘65 Twins. (Yeah, I’m old!)

Ernie Harwell

308 Dr Lizardo  Jul 6, 2015 6:35:35am

re: #303 The Vicious Babushka

A co-worker just told us about a neighbor who lit of Roman Candles INSIDE THEIR HOUSE.

ALCOHOL + STUPIDS = DIE IN A FIRE

It never ceases to amaze me how utterly stupid people can be when it comes to fireworks.

309 Timothy Watson  Jul 6, 2015 6:38:50am

re: #308 Dr Lizardo

It never ceases to amaze me how utterly stupid people can be when it comes to fireworks.

Speaking of:

Some troubling news on New York Giants defensive end Jason Pierre-Paul.

NFL Media Insider Ian Rapoport reports that Pierre-Paul suffered a hand injury Saturday night while attempting to light fireworks that required hospitalization, according to two sources briefed of the situation. Rapoport reported JPP’s hand will be intact, and as of Sunday night, doctors are still examining for nerve damage and other issues related to the incident. The long-term effects, if there are any, are not serious.

nfl.com

310 lawhawk  Jul 6, 2015 6:39:36am

re: #308 Dr Lizardo

There’s the guy who stuck a fireworks mortar on his head, lit it off, and died.

Then there’s Jason Pierre Paul, a New York Giants football player whose career may be over as a result of a hand injury from a fireworks accident. Even worse for him, he had refused to sign as a franchise player with the team, so he’s out of a guaranteed contract/money and his future is in doubt.

Every year it’s a body count tallied from fireworks gone bad - including when professional fireworks displays malfunction (like when a Colorado display had a mortar blow up in the tube, knocking over adjacent ones - firing them into the crowd).

UPDATE:
New reports saying the injury isn’t career threatening, but if there’s nerve damage, that does change things significantly.

311 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 6, 2015 6:40:38am

A while back we had some discussion about racetrack accidents and fences and fan safety.
This happened in the wee hours of this morning:

312 danarchy  Jul 6, 2015 6:42:05am

re: #160 Romantic Heretic

It’s because the wingnuts think gold has ‘real value’ because it is real.

But all values are imaginary. If gold had a real value there would be no speculative market for it.

All currencies are fiat.

Well to be fair gold does have intrinsic value. It is relatively rare metal that has some exceptional physical properties. ie. it is does not tarnish, is very maleable, is highly conductive etc.

It is pretty unlikely that it will ever be worthless. The gold bugs are still idiots though.

313 urbanmeemaw  Jul 6, 2015 6:42:45am

re: #307 The Vicious Babushka

Ernie Harwell

Never got to hear him. Was he Tigers’ announcer?

314 lawhawk  Jul 6, 2015 6:42:53am
315 The Vicious Babushka  Jul 6, 2015 6:44:28am

re: #313 urbanmeemaw

Never got to hear him. Was he Tigers’ announcer?

Yep 1961-2002

316 Eric The Fruit Bat  Jul 6, 2015 6:52:35am

re: #107 teleskiguy

That’s no ordinary cat-that’s a bobkitteh (The black tufts on the ears are a dead giveaway.)

317 sagehen  Jul 6, 2015 6:53:42am

re: #305 urbanmeemaw

Do you remember Herb Carneal and Ray Scott? I consider Ray Scott to be the best baseball announcer ever. His understated sense of drama was unique. Loved those ‘65 Twins. (Yeah, I’m old!)

Vin Scully.

318 Eric The Fruit Bat  Jul 6, 2015 6:58:29am

re: #151 b_sharp

One of the worst box office bombs ever made was “Mars Needs Moms”, written by Breke “Bloom County” Breathed.

319 Eric The Fruit Bat  Jul 6, 2015 6:59:59am

re: #307 The Vicious Babushka

Boy does that bring back my childhood. And a wingnut who kept to himself.

320 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Jul 6, 2015 7:01:00am

re: #296 Charles Johnson

Let me guess. Same old shit.

321 The Vicious Babushka  Jul 6, 2015 7:04:49am

TEH STUPIDS ON PARADE

322 Eventual Carrion  Jul 6, 2015 7:06:46am

re: #321 The Vicious Babushka

TEH STUPIDS ON PARADE

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Where was this pic taken? That LEO uniform looks more European than US.

323 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Jul 6, 2015 7:07:42am

re: #322 Eventual Carrion

Where was this pic taken? That LEO uniform looks more European than US.

The UK, is my guess.

324 The Vicious Babushka  Jul 6, 2015 7:08:48am

re: #322 Eventual Carrion

Where was this pic taken? That LEO uniform looks more European than US.

Good eye. It’s in London.

325 urbanmeemaw  Jul 6, 2015 7:11:16am

re: #315 The Vicious Babushka

What a great career. Wish I could have heard him.

326 urbanmeemaw  Jul 6, 2015 7:14:01am

re: #317 sagehen

Another legend.

I’m enjoying this baseball announcer thread. As long as I’ve enjoyed the game I never really considered how perfectly baseball and radio go together (and my dad was in radio for 60 years). Baseball is meant to be listened to while sitting on your front porch on a warm summer evening.

327 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Jul 6, 2015 7:25:36am

Why do people even listen to Adam Carolla? This podcast is making my ears bleed and we’re not even to the part with UpChuck.

328 Timothy Watson  Jul 6, 2015 7:27:56am

re: #327 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

Why do people even listen to Adam Carolla? This podcast is making my ears bleed and we’re not even to the part with UpChuck.

Never heard of the guy.

329 Amory Blaine  Jul 6, 2015 7:32:29am

He’s close enough to a mainstream entertainer to raise concern.

330 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Jul 6, 2015 7:36:09am

re: #328 Timothy Watson

Never heard of the guy.

He’s been network radio and TV. Now he’s podcasting. Like Amory Blaine just said, he’s closer to mainstream than the dudes who have previously interviewed Chuck.

Carolla is a conservatarian, and favors Ted Cruz, so he’s sort of in Chuck’s camp.

331 Dr Lizardo  Jul 6, 2015 7:37:17am

A pretty good cartoon on Greece’s situation:

332 withak  Jul 6, 2015 7:38:30am

re: #330 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

Carolla is a conservatarian, and favors Ted Cruz, so he’s sort of in Chuck’s camp.

That’s truly bizarre, given the topics he covered on Loveline and The Man Show.

333 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Jul 6, 2015 7:41:04am

re: #332 withak

That’s truly bizarre, given the topics he covered on Loveline and The Man Show.

I watched The Man Show maybe twice and found it pointless.

334 sagehen  Jul 6, 2015 7:43:27am

re: #326 urbanmeemaw

Another legend.

I’m enjoying this baseball announcer thread. As long as I’ve enjoyed the game I never really considered how perfectly baseball and radio go together (and my dad was in radio for 60 years). Baseball is meant to be listened to while sitting on your front porch on a warm summer evening.

Marshall McLuhan (“The Medium is the Message”) explaining why baseball is a radio game and football, basketball and hockey are not —

“…because baseball is a game of one-thing-at-a-time, fixed positions…”

335 Amory Blaine  Jul 6, 2015 7:43:55am

If he gets on MTP I’m moving to Bartertown.
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336 The Vicious Babushka  Jul 6, 2015 7:50:34am

WHAT THE FUCK IS THIS SHIT, MONTICELLO?
Do not whitewash history.

This is utter bullshit.

Thomas Jefferson was a consistent opponent of slavery his whole life. Calling it a “moral depravity” and a “hideous blot,” he believed that slavery presented the greatest threat to the survival of the new American nation. Jefferson also thought that slavery was contrary to the laws of nature, which decreed that everyone had a right to personal liberty. These views were radical in a world where unfree labor was the norm.

At the time of the American Revolution, Jefferson was actively involved in legislation that he hoped would result in slavery’s abolition. In 1778, he drafted a Virginia law that prohibited the importation of enslaved Africans. In 1784, he proposed an ordinance that would ban slavery in the Northwest territories. But Jefferson always maintained that the decision to emancipate slaves would have to be part of a democratic process; abolition would be stymied until slaveowners consented to free their human property together in a large-scale act of emancipation. To Jefferson, it was anti-democratic and contrary to the principles of the American Revolution for the federal government to enact abolition or for only a few planters to free their slaves.

337 Timothy Watson  Jul 6, 2015 7:57:09am

re: #336 The Vicious Babushka

WHAT THE FUCK IS THIS SHIT, MONTICELLO?
Do not whitewash history.

This is utter bullshit.

Yep, the slaveowners were really going to just give up 90% of their net worth.

338 Targetpractice  Jul 6, 2015 7:59:39am

re: #337 Timothy Watson

Yep, the slaveowners were really going to just give up 90% of their net worth.

You have to love the utter denial that says “Slave owners were going to willingly sacrifice their wealth just to let slaves go free.” Not to mention the reality that if slavery had ended peacefully, as the Neo-Confederates like to assure us it would have, we’d still have a situation where you’d have millions of people living in the country who legally were not citizens and so could be exploited in any number of ways.

339 The Vicious Babushka  Jul 6, 2015 8:00:42am

re: #337 Timothy Watson

Yep, the slaveowners were really going to just give up 90% of their net worth.

Jefferson owned slaves, fucked them, bought & sold them and did not emancipate them in his will except for Sallie Hemings.

340 The Vicious Babushka  Jul 6, 2015 8:04:08am

Revisionist bullshit on the Monticello site does not help when you’re debunking fake quotes.

341 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Jul 6, 2015 8:04:12am

OK. I cannot stomach listening to anymore of this CCJ interview tonight. It is the same old shit he’s said since losing his Twitter access.

He brings up his suit to open Michael Brown’s juvenile records, but fails to mention he lost that suit when the MO supremes denied cert. Carolla, of course, is clueless and doesn’t question him.

CCJ continues to push his Twitter ban as an assault on free speech and as censorship from “the left,” and Carolla is going along with it.

Maybe tomorrow I’ll tackle it, unless Charles wants to take point.

Besides, gotnwes.com is still putting forth ye olde error 500 pages.

342 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Jul 6, 2015 8:05:02am

re: #336 The Vicious Babushka

The “Jefferson and Slavery” page is one of several included in the Plantation & Slavery tab at Monticello’s website, which includes other information about the slaves that worked Jefferson’s plantation, such as this—

monticello.org

So, I think the overall presentation is a bit more balanced than this one piece, which emphasizes things Jefferson said about slavery. Like many of the founders, there could be considerable discrepancy between noble things said in regards to slavery’s evils and the realities of how the founder was involved with slavery (whether action was taken to free slaves, etc).

343 Eventual Carrion  Jul 6, 2015 8:11:21am

re: #324 The Vicious Babushka

Good eye. It’s in London.

Which begs the question, why the confederate battle flag?

344 The Vicious Babushka  Jul 6, 2015 8:13:10am

re: #343 Eventual Carrion

Which begs the question, why the confederate battle flag?

Because the confederates never bombed London.

345 Feline Fearless Leader  Jul 6, 2015 8:14:48am

re: #343 Eventual Carrion

Which begs the question, why the confederate battle flag?

Alternative option in Europe where flying the Nazi Germany flag draws more immediate negative attention. Sort of like the Charleston shooter wearing South Africa and Rhodesia patches on a jacket.

346 lawhawk  Jul 6, 2015 8:15:42am

re: #343 Eventual Carrion

Which begs the question, why the confederate battle flag?

Because the European fascists can’t get their hands on Nazi flags (especially in Germany where it’s banned). /half sarc

347 Eventual Carrion  Jul 6, 2015 8:17:28am

re: #345 Feline Fearless Leader

Alternative option in Europe where flying the Nazi Germany flag draws more immediate negative attention. Sort of like the Charleston shooter wearing South Africa and Rhodesia patches on a jacket.

Different emblem, same ideology. I did see passing references to German neo-Nazi’s using it since the old Nazi flag is forbidden to display in Germany. Some of the things that get exported from the US worldwide smh.

348 stpaulbear  Jul 6, 2015 8:20:30am

re: #305 urbanmeemaw

Do you remember Herb Carneal and Ray Scott? I consider Ray Scott to be the best baseball announcer ever. His understated sense of drama was unique. Loved those ‘65 Twins. (Yeah, I’m old!)

Very late with my reply.

Yeah, I’m old too. Herb Carneal and Ray Scott were exactly who I was thinking of when I wrote that baseball was great on the radio. Such good memories.

349 lizardofid  Jul 6, 2015 8:21:50am

re: #343 Eventual Carrion

Celebrating their “Southern Heritage” ?

(South O’ Watford” maybe)

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350 darthstar  Jul 6, 2015 8:22:26am

Speaking of edowed by his creator…

351 Targetpractice  Jul 6, 2015 8:24:07am

re: #350 darthstar

Speaking of edowed by his creator…

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Dude, totally NSFW!

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352 darthstar  Jul 6, 2015 8:24:22am

Oh, and I went to Tahoe for the 4th for my mom’s 80th birthday. This is my brother’s balcony.

353 The Vicious Babushka  Jul 6, 2015 8:24:27am

STUPIDEST MEME OF THE DAY==>
(How many projections can you spot?)

354 Eventual Carrion  Jul 6, 2015 8:24:28am

re: #348 stpaulbear

Very late with my reply.

Yeah, I’m old too. Herb Carneal and Ray Scott were exactly who I was thinking of when I wrote that baseball was great on the radio. Such good memories.

I agree that baseball is made for radio much better than football or hockey. But before he died, I would turn a Steelers game on the TV, turn down the TV volume and get Myron Cope on the radio to hear him call the game. He was a character that made the game fun to watch and listen to.

355 The Vicious Babushka  Jul 6, 2015 8:25:22am

re: #352 darthstar

Oh, and I went to Tahoe for the 4th for my mom’s 80th birthday. This is my brother’s balcony.

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What is that green flag?

356 Eventual Carrion  Jul 6, 2015 8:25:35am

re: #350 darthstar

Speaking of edowed by his creator…

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What do you see when the Pillsbury Doughboy bends over?

Doughnuts.

357 Targetpractice  Jul 6, 2015 8:27:01am

re: #353 The Vicious Babushka

STUPIDEST MEME OF THE DAY==>
(How many projections can you spot?)

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That’s what I always love, the people who didn’t waste any time after the ‘08 elections to scream that the man had been elected because he’s black now screaming that he’s raising racial tension and dividing the nation.

Of course, these are the same people who thought a guy whose administration was big on questioning the patriotism of any of those who disagreed with his warmongering as a “uniter.”

358 darthstar  Jul 6, 2015 8:27:40am

re: #351 Targetpractice

Dude, totally NSFW!

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One of the joys of being unemployed.

359 darthstar  Jul 6, 2015 8:28:53am

re: #355 The Vicious Babushka

What is that green flag?

The State of Jefferson - a move by rural wingnuts to create a 51st state from part of California.
en.wikipedia.org

360 stpaulbear  Jul 6, 2015 8:30:11am

re: #311 Backwoods_Sleuth

A while back we had some discussion about racetrack accidents and fences and fan safety.
This happened in the wee hours of this morning:

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The way those cars were bunched up was insane. It looks like half the cars in the race got damaged in that crash.

361 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Jul 6, 2015 8:30:38am

re: #359 darthstar

The State of Jefferson - a move by rural wingnuts to create a 51st state from part of California.
en.wikipedia.org

This sounds like a winning project.

/

362 Timothy Watson  Jul 6, 2015 8:31:05am

Just heard about this on WTOP (the people injured were from Northern Virginia):
Officials: Corroded nails caused Emerald Isle deck collapse

24 people were injured.

My uncle lives in Emerald Isle but on the other side of the town and he’s the Director of the Emergency Department at a local hospital but none of the ones listed in the story.

363 Mattand  Jul 6, 2015 8:31:31am

re: #359 darthstar

The State of Jefferson - a move by rural wingnuts to create a 51st state from part of California.
en.wikipedia.org

Is he serious, or just doing it ironically?

364 Feline Fearless Leader  Jul 6, 2015 8:31:33am

re: #354 Eventual Carrion

I agree that baseball is made for radio much better than football or hockey. But before he died, I would turn a Steelers game on the TV, turn down the TV volume and get Myron Cope on the radio to hear him call the game. He was a character that made the game fun to watch and listen to.

Yoy and double Yoy!

365 lawhawk  Jul 6, 2015 8:33:20am

LMAO - worry about the Southern Racists coming home to roost in the GOP (where they’ve been home for decades), which is exactly why the GOP is continuing to court them with their noxious statements.

366 Dr Lizardo  Jul 6, 2015 8:34:25am

re: #355 The Vicious Babushka

What is that green flag?

Flag of the State of Jefferson.

en.wikipedia.org

367 Dr Lizardo  Jul 6, 2015 8:35:01am

re: #359 darthstar

The State of Jefferson - a move by rural wingnuts to create a 51st state from part of California.
en.wikipedia.org

Ya beat me to it.

368 Great White Snark  Jul 6, 2015 8:35:56am

Okay the critics went wild with this one but srsly WTF was that all about? Hard to imagine worse optics than the rope line. I can’t remember anything like it ever in campaigning. Ever. Anyone?

When you have a lot of momentum, it’s the worst time to trip.

petapixel.com

Who made that decision?

369 FemNaziBitch  Jul 6, 2015 8:36:09am

How is it now?

370 SteveMcGaziBolaGate  Jul 6, 2015 8:36:12am

re: #261 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

For the second time in three weeks, my websites are down again — 500 internal server errors. After the first crash, which my hosts said was caused by an email spammer, they said everything was hunky-dory. Apparently not now.

Wow. That’s a lot of erors

371 Targetpractice  Jul 6, 2015 8:36:38am

re: #365 lawhawk

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LMAO - worry about the Southern Racists coming home to roost in the GOP (where they’ve been home for decades), which is exactly why the GOP is continuing to court them with their noxious statements.

Outside of Florida, when is the last time that a presidential election rested upon the vote in a Southern state? Hillary could lose every state in the South and still win the election.

372 lawhawk  Jul 6, 2015 8:36:45am
373 bratwurst  Jul 6, 2015 8:36:48am

The Wall Street Journal published an op-ed by Newt Gingrich attacking the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau (CFPB) and promoting the U.S. Consumer Coalition without disclosing that the anti-CFPB group employs him as a paid adviser.

Well hey…how could they know?

The omission is even more egregious since the Journal itself reported Gingrich’s hiring last year:

WSJ In July 2014: “Gingrich Is Serving As A Paid Adviser To The U.S. Consumer Coalition.” The Wall Street Journal reported in July 2014 that Gingrich was being paid by USCC and that Gingrich is interested in placing “opinion pieces” for the group:

Lame, lame shit.

374 Feline Fearless Leader  Jul 6, 2015 8:37:20am

re: #363 Mattand

Is he serious, or just doing it ironically?

So a largely rural area wants to leave a relatively wealthy state and sit in their own squalor. With little means to generate income* and maintain their infrastructure. Probably with many pipedreams of being the libertarian paradise they think it will easily become.

* - Beyond letting corporations strip out their natural resources and then leave them and the Feds the clean-up costs.

375 Dave In Austin  Jul 6, 2015 8:38:01am
376 Feline Fearless Leader  Jul 6, 2015 8:38:34am
377 darthstar  Jul 6, 2015 8:40:31am

re: #363 Mattand

Is he serious, or just doing it ironically?

Yes…to one of those…I think.

378 darthstar  Jul 6, 2015 8:42:16am
379 Feline Fearless Leader  Jul 6, 2015 8:44:36am

re: #377 darthstar

Yes…to one of those…I think.

en.wikipedia.org

Not that petitions and agitation for state separations is anything new or really uncommon. Mainly people being pissy about taxes, water rights, or the simple fact that a large city in the state with most of the state’s population dominates things.

380 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Jul 6, 2015 8:45:46am

re: #373 bratwurst

The Wall Street Journal published an op-ed by Newt Gingrich attacking the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau (CFPB) and promoting the U.S. Consumer Coalition without disclosing that the anti-CFPB group employs him as a paid adviser.

Well hey…how could they know?

Lame, lame shit.

I’m sure Newt’s “U.S. Consumer Coalition” has the true interests of consumers at heart.

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381 blueraven  Jul 6, 2015 8:45:56am

Wow, crude oil currently down 5% to $54 per barrel on Greece vote.

382 darthstar  Jul 6, 2015 8:47:11am

re: #381 blueraven

Wow, crude oil currently down 5% to $54 per barrel on Greece vote.

I paid less than $3 a gallon for Diesel yesterday. Whoo-hoo!

383 Ace-o-aces  Jul 6, 2015 8:48:25am

Ladies and Gentlemen, the winner of the “least convincing argument ever” prize is….

Way to go Canada. U.S. wingnuts, you better step up your game!

384 Mattand  Jul 6, 2015 8:51:15am

re: #377 darthstar

Yes…to one of those…I think.

Years (decades?) ago, there was some movement down here in South Jersey to split off from NJ and form our own state. It died pretty quickly, but we don’t have the soul-crushing number of nut jobs that CA seems to posses. Plus, our nuts don’t seem to have the drive your guys do.

385 Mattand  Jul 6, 2015 8:52:25am

re: #383 Ace-o-aces

Oh, good God, please tell me that guy isn’t serious.

386 The Vicious Babushka  Jul 6, 2015 8:54:06am

Did you know that during the Civil War, the City of New York wanted to secede from the State of New York (and the rest of the U.S.) to do its own deals with the Confederacy?

387 lawhawk  Jul 6, 2015 9:00:57am

re: #386 The Vicious Babushka

Considering the draft riots and that the mayor was a Copperhead, it isn’t surprising. The merchant class was looking out for their own interests, which again isn’t surprising.

388 Great White Snark  Jul 6, 2015 9:03:21am

BREAKING

Single shot heard at Walter Reed, alarms sounding…

389 SteveMcGaziBolaGate  Jul 6, 2015 9:03:31am

re: #378 darthstar

And that’s a surprise?

390 Mattand  Jul 6, 2015 9:03:40am

re: #383 Ace-o-aces

Ladies and Gentlemen, the winner of the “least convincing argument ever” prize is….

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Way to go Canada. U.S. wingnuts, you better step up your game!

I’ve got one along that lines, actually.

The Fox News-infected in-laws took a trip to the Constitution Center in Philly. I forget exactly what they were watching, but at some point, the issue of slavery came up. The crux of the statement was that slavery was a huge driver in the early economic success of the US.

Now, the proper response to that is to go “OMG, the implications that we built our nation’s finances on the pain and suffering of slaves is horrible.” But if you’re Republican senior citizens watching Fox 10 hours a day?

Why, you come away impressed by that statistic and develop a new appreciation for slavery! With the added bonus of having what little guilt you might have been harboring instantly vaporized!

That whole conversation was really upsetting in that there they did not have one fucking glimmer of cognizance on what a huge, festering, fetid stain slavery was and will continue to be for this country.

So, yeah, Thanksgiving dinner is a real trial every year.

391 Mattand  Jul 6, 2015 9:05:10am

re: #386 The Vicious Babushka

Did you know that during the Civil War, the City of New York wanted to secede from the State of New York (and the rest of the U.S.) to do its own deals with the Confederacy?

[ratso rizzo]
“HEY, I’M TRAITORIN’ HERE!!!”
[/ratso rizzo]

392 EmmaAnne  Jul 6, 2015 9:11:51am

re: #170 William Lewis

If you want to check him out, good starting points are Glory Road, The Moon Is A Harsh Mistress, Have Space Suit Will Travel, and perhaps best of all, the short story collection “The Past Through Tomorrow”. Almost all of the rest have good bits and interesting ideas but are more difficult for one reason or another.

His treatment of women is just painfully bad, but The Moon is a Harsh Mistress was good enough that I am able to overlook it. That is the only one I have been able to reread, and even there I am cringing at certain parts.

393 The Vicious Babushka  Jul 6, 2015 9:12:42am
394 Mattand  Jul 6, 2015 9:13:29am

Last one, and I’ll shut up:

Minnesota Firefighter Suspended For Flying Confederate Flag On Fire Truck

If you get past the whole “civil servant using public equipment to be a racist douche canoe” theme, the article is actually funny. The guy, being a proper Minnesotan, is constantly apologizing through the whole piece for using the fire truck to fly the pro-slavery flag.

He’s not sorry for being a racist moron, but he appears to be genuinely sorry for causing a fuss.

Minnesota: even our history-illiterate bigots are polite!

395 ObserverArt  Jul 6, 2015 9:14:48am

re: #360 stpaulbear

The way those cars were bunched up was insane. It looks like half the cars in the race got damaged in that crash.

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Hey everyone. Trying to get out of holiday mode.

Bunched is insane. It is one of the reasons racing sucks these days. It is all about entertainment for the fans and giving the teams all a chance to win.

Racing used to be best car and driver winning. When all the cars are regulated by the rules to be so close together you don’t get to see either best car or best driver, you get to see big crashes.

When good car builders teamed up with a great driver they could dominate. With different levels of cars and driver talents cars naturally spread out in a race. That is what racing was all about.

But that became boring when racing tried to become a mainstream sport. To a person that doesn’t really like and understand racing that is not fun to watch. So, the racing sanctioning bodies started to dumb down the racing to make it more entertaining. That led to pack racing where the drivers don’t have the car to get separation and it also puts the good driver next to the not so good drivers. Dangerous for all.

What they did is make it more dangerous. Now they are in a bad situation with fan attendance because they chased away those that liked the way racing was naturally. And those they tried to get as fans of racertainment lost interest as racing is no longer the “thing.”

Indycar had a race last weekend of June in California (Fontana) that got into pack racing mode and some of the drivers were pissed off about it. They remember how a driver was killed in a nasty crash in Las Vegas at the end of 2011 due to pack racing and differing levels of talent. They had some nasty crashes in the California race but no one was hurt bad which was good. Also, no one was at the race either. It goes to what I was saying earlier. They lost the real race fans and the bandwagon fans jumped out of the sport.

It is sad. My favorite sport is a mess in this country. It is sad to see crashes like Daytona last night/early morning. If they get one or two of those cars through a fence and into the crowd they will kill the sport for good, let alone the problems associated with killing some attendees.

Off my soapbox. But damn, they have messed the sport up real bad. They killed the technology of creative racing with heavy spec racing and they don’t allow anyone to really show their driving talent being able to tame a beast of a car.

396 ObserverArt  Jul 6, 2015 9:16:32am

re: #369 FemNaziBitch

How is it now?

Hey! Missed you being around the last couple weeks.

397 Varek Raith  Jul 6, 2015 9:17:10am

re: #393 The Vicious Babushka

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BRILLIANT!

398 SteveMcGaziBolaGate  Jul 6, 2015 9:17:36am

re: #393 The Vicious Babushka

Well, maybe fracking might maybe let off some pressure maybe and maybe when the volcano lets go maybe it won’t be as bad maybe.

399 JadeHelmCurious  Jul 6, 2015 9:20:03am

Ginger Avenger just posted this Christian Oppression graphic. LULZ.

401 stpaulbear  Jul 6, 2015 9:24:50am

re: #394 Mattand

Last one, and I’ll shut up:

Minnesota Firefighter Suspended For Flying Confederate Flag On Fire Truck

If you get past the whole “civil servant using public equipment to be a racist douche canoe” theme, the article is actually funny. The guy, being a proper Minnesotan, is constantly apologizing through the whole piece for using the fire truck to fly the pro-slavery flag.

He’s not sorry for being a racist moron, but he appears to be genuinely sorry for causing a fuss.

Minnesota: even our history-illiterate bigots are polite!

I started reading the story in the Mpls Strib this morning but got disgusted and quit when I saw the quote from the fireman saying he was making a statement against PC-ness. After that I knew exactly what everything else would be about.

I’m surprised to see that he got disciplined, but it’s still not going to change how people feel about what the flag represents. Nobody will learn anything.

402 lawhawk  Jul 6, 2015 9:26:20am
403 The Vicious Babushka  Jul 6, 2015 9:26:55am

Cleverly done Photoshop. If you Google image search this early photo of Hillary the flag is not there.

404 EmmaAnne  Jul 6, 2015 9:28:07am

re: #403 The Vicious Babushka

Cleverly done Photoshop. If you Google image search this early photo of Hillary the flag is not there.

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But are those pants real? Because OMG.

405 Targetpractice  Jul 6, 2015 9:28:23am
406 Ace-o-aces  Jul 6, 2015 9:29:27am

re: #385 Mattand

Oh, good God, please tell me that guy isn’t serious.

Sorry. According to my Canadian sources, they grow a particularly hardy and oblivious strain of wingnut up north.

407 SteveMcGaziBolaGate  Jul 6, 2015 9:30:15am

re: #404 EmmaAnne

Good thing it’s black and white.

408 The Vicious Babushka  Jul 6, 2015 9:30:39am

Bipartisanism deleted the photo after being told it was a Photoshop.

That is the difference between liberals & wingnuts.

409 Timothy Watson  Jul 6, 2015 9:31:05am

re: #397 Varek Raith

BRILLIANT!

410 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Jul 6, 2015 9:31:35am

re: #400 Varek Raith

‘The devil is taking control’: Watch SC senator derail Confederate flag debate with insane gay marriage rant

“I watch the White House be lit up in the abomination colors!” Bright said.

ABOMINATION COLORS!!!!!1

411 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Jul 6, 2015 9:33:16am
“And to sanctify deviant behavior from five judges, it’s time for us to make our stand, church!” Bright yelled. “It’s time to make our stand and we’re not doing it.”

The ideal thing to say in a legislative body.

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412 wrenchwench  Jul 6, 2015 9:33:47am

re: #403 The Vicious Babushka

Cleverly done Photoshop. If you Google image search this early photo of Hillary the flag is not there.

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Tweet disappeared.

re: #404 EmmaAnne

But are those pants real? Because OMG.

Hey, I had pants like that!

re: #407 SteveMcGaziBolaGate

Good thing it’s black and white.

I think mine were red, white and blue.

413 Mattand  Jul 6, 2015 9:34:13am

re: #401 stpaulbear

I started reading the story in the Mpls Strib this morning but got disgusted and quit when I saw the quote from the fireman saying he was making a statement against PC-ness. After that I knew exactly what everything else would be about.

I’m surprised to see that he got disciplined, but it’s still not going to change how people feel about what the flag represents. Nobody will learn anything.

Yeah, the whole “I’m fighting political correctness” stuff just makes me fucking crazy. I roll my eyes even when I hear people like David Cross and Patton Oswalt, guys who I generally agree with on most issues, claim an anti-PC mantle.

I’m sure a case can be made for being politically incorrect. IMO, more often than not, it’s just used as a clumsy stealth tactic to avoid repercussions for the personal bigotry the speaker is trying work in.

414 BeachDem  Jul 6, 2015 9:34:38am

re: #410 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse

ABOMINATION COLORS!!!!!1

Just want to point out that this is the guy who came in second to Lindsey Graham in the 2014 primary.

415 Mattand  Jul 6, 2015 9:35:04am

re: #406 Ace-o-aces

Sorry. According to my Canadian sources, they grow a particularly hardy and oblivious strain of wingnut up north.

It’s the snow, isn’t it?

416 Varek Raith  Jul 6, 2015 9:35:39am

re: #410 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse

ABOMINATION COLORS!!!!!1

Guess I shouldn’t explain how a prism works, eh?
/

417 Targetpractice  Jul 6, 2015 9:36:00am

It’s 2015 and we’ve got a political party who’s pretty much openly calling for us to become a theocracy.

418 stpaulbear  Jul 6, 2015 9:36:49am

re: #414 BeachDem

Just want to point out that this is the guy who came in second to Lindsey Graham in the 2014 primary.

Why isn’t that very surprising?

419 SteveMcGaziBolaGate  Jul 6, 2015 9:37:14am

re: #412 wrenchwench

Tweet disappeared.

Hey, I had pants like that!

I think mine were red, white and blue.

A lady I know likes to ask “What did that beat?” Like she was trying to choose between two things and those pants looked better than the other pair.

420 wrenchwench  Jul 6, 2015 9:37:51am

re: #416 Varek Raith

Guess I shouldn’t explain how a prism works, eh?
/

These stick-on ones are an abomination. But not as bad as $400 for a pair of glasses you’d need temporarily.

421 withak  Jul 6, 2015 9:38:52am

Given that it’s Albert Lea, I was hoping that Iowa would have to claim Confederate Fireman, but alas, he belongs to us.

422 The Vicious Babushka  Jul 6, 2015 9:39:01am

re: #404 EmmaAnne

But are those pants real? Because OMG.

Maybe they were the only ones she could find in her size.

423 wrenchwench  Jul 6, 2015 9:39:25am

re: #419 SteveMcGaziBolaGate

A lady I know likes to ask “What did that beat?” Like she was trying to choose between two things and those pants looked better than the other pair.

Plain old blue jeans are so boring. It was the 70’s (at least when I had them.) Boring was bad.

424 blueraven  Jul 6, 2015 9:41:19am

re: #412 wrenchwench

Tweet disappeared.

Hey, I had pants like that!

I think mine were red, white and blue.

I had pants like that too. Bell bottoms. Definitely RW&B.

425 Varek Raith  Jul 6, 2015 9:41:53am

God, the 70s sure messed you guys and gals up!
/
:P

426 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 6, 2015 9:41:57am
427 Varek Raith  Jul 6, 2015 9:43:22am

re: #426 Backwoods_Sleuth

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428 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Jul 6, 2015 9:43:31am

re: #410 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse

Lee Bright. Why is this guy’s name familiar? Did he say some other goofy thing about the rebel flag after the Charleston shooting?

429 Mattand  Jul 6, 2015 9:43:40am

re: #417 Targetpractice

It’s 2015 and we’ve got a political party who’s pretty much openly calling for us to become a theocracy.

At the job I finished on Friday, the subject of Trump came up and quickly devolved into a political discussion. One guy claimed to be socially liberal; the other two people proudly claimed MBF status.

The only thing I was able to interject was to just straight up cop to being liberal; and point out that while being neutral is nice, at some point you’ve got to make a hard choice when when one party is absolutely bugshit crazy,

Not really sure if I had an impact. There was a lot of cross talk. One woman, who earlier was openly complaining about the Confederate flag being an abomination and white males getting all the breaks, called the ACA a program for people to get free stuff on the backs of others. She was full on MBF.

I’m often amazed this country functions at all.

430 Varek Raith  Jul 6, 2015 9:44:17am

re: #427 Varek Raith

snopes.com

431 Mattand  Jul 6, 2015 9:44:32am

re: #422 The Vicious Babushka

Maybe they were the only ones she could find in her size.

If that’s the case, going without becomes a serious option.

432 BeachDem  Jul 6, 2015 9:46:01am

re: #428 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse

Lee Bright. Why is this guy’s name familiar? Did he say some other goofy thing about the rebel flag after the Charleston shooting?

If it’s Lee Bright, he says something goofy pretty much every day. He was one of the first to definitely say he’d vote NO to taking down the flag, but I can’t think of a direct quote. In a gaggle of goofy GOPers, Lee (not very) Bright actually stands out. Think about THAT!

433 Charles Johnson  Jul 6, 2015 9:46:44am

Duh-eee.

434 Mattand  Jul 6, 2015 9:46:53am

re: #427 Varek Raith

Seagulls are brutal. I can’t tell you how many chips and fries I’ve seen snatched from people’s hands at the Jersey Shore. The little bastards will make sure your back is turned, hover every so slightly and then swoop in. Serious feathered ninja shit.

435 Snarknado!  Jul 6, 2015 9:47:08am

re: #412 wrenchwench

Mine were black and tan (I think).

436 Mattand  Jul 6, 2015 9:47:19am

re: #433 Charles Johnson

Where do you find these people?

437 Dr. Matt  Jul 6, 2015 9:47:45am

re: #430 Varek Raith

snopes.com

SNOPES is a Soro-based, librul, commie non-sense!

438 Ace-o-aces  Jul 6, 2015 9:48:26am
439 wrenchwench  Jul 6, 2015 9:48:29am

re: #425 Varek Raith

God, the 70s sure messed you guys and gals up!
/
:P

You shoulda seen us when we had seven kids, a dog, and a mom driving across the US in a volkswagen bus. One day we were bored and had access to felt pens. Nothing like having drawings all over yourself when you’re wearing a headband and ask to use the boys restroom in Kansas. It was my brother, but he had long hair. The guy gave him the key, but muttered something about hippies under his breath. We had California plates, too.

440 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Jul 6, 2015 9:49:38am

re: #433 Charles Johnson

Duh-eee.

A Trump defender?

441 Varek Raith  Jul 6, 2015 9:49:56am

re: #434 Mattand

Seagull are brutal. I can’t tell you how many chips and fries I’ve seen snatched from people’s hands at the Jersey Shore. The little bastards will make sure your back is turned, hover every so slightly and then swoop in. Serious feathered ninja shit.

When I was in elementary school, we took a field trip to Island Beach park.
The gulls were taking all of our lunches.

442 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Jul 6, 2015 9:50:56am

re: #441 Varek Raith

When I was in elementary school, we took a field trip to Island Beach park.
The gulls were taking all of our lunches.

Bastards

443 The Vicious Babushka  Jul 6, 2015 9:52:10am

Wingnuts who want to imprison people who burn the US Flag raise another flag above it

444 Dr. Matt  Jul 6, 2015 9:52:54am

SC Wingnut Sen. Lee Bright: The LGBTQ rainbow colors are the “The Obamanation Colors”

445 wrenchwench  Jul 6, 2015 9:54:47am

re: #435 Snarknado!

Mine were black and tan (I think).

How sophisticated! I was in junior high. Sophistication was something you got your second year of high school.

446 Snarknado!  Jul 6, 2015 9:55:23am

re: #434 Mattand

Seagull are brutal. I can’t tell you how many chips and fries I’ve seen snatched from people’s hands at the Jersey Shore. The little bastards will make sure your back is turned, hover every so slightly and then swoop in. Serious feathered ninja shit.

At the SF zoo, they were wrestling lunches away from toddlers until the (successful) campaign to get people to NEVER feed seagulls. Now they haunt the waterfronts. If they ever learn to hunt in pairs we’re doomed.

447 ObserverArt  Jul 6, 2015 9:55:24am

This comment is meant to be non-offensive…so please take it as humor as intended.

The big difference about fashion styles of the late 60s and early 70s is you could take them off and then move on to another look or fashion.

What are all of those folks that jumped heavily into all the tattoos going to do once the fashion of having them is gone, or you want to move on to another look?

I’ve seen tattoos as outrageous and colorful as Hillary’s striped bell bottoms.

448 withak  Jul 6, 2015 9:56:24am

re: #443 The Vicious Babushka

Wingnuts who want to imprison people who burn the US Flag raise another flag above it

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Sure makes it easier to find the theocrats.

449 SteveMcGaziBolaGate  Jul 6, 2015 9:56:27am

re: #443 The Vicious Babushka

I didn’t even know Christians had a flag.

450 Dr Lizardo  Jul 6, 2015 9:57:25am

re: #434 Mattand

re: #441 Varek Raith

Many years ago, when I was still married, I took the ex to the original Tommy’s location at the corner of Beverly and Rampart Boulevards in Los Angeles. They have a place you can stand and eat your chili-burger and fries.

Of course, the pigeons know this. And they’re fearless. You can’t just shoo them away, either. They’ll brazenly look at you, then swipe a fry and fly off.

My ex was not amused. I just looked at her and said, “Welcome to L.A.”

The original Tommy’s location in Los Angeles
451 The Vicious Babushka  Jul 6, 2015 9:57:39am

re: #449 SteveMcGaziBolaGate

I didn’t even know Christians had a flag.

Looks just like the “Stainless Banner” except they put a cross where the Confederate “X” would be.

452 Snarknado!  Jul 6, 2015 10:00:27am

re: #450 Dr Lizardo

Pigeons? The ones around here crowd around someone with food, but they’re too timid to snatch food.

453 Mattand  Jul 6, 2015 10:00:51am

re: #447 ObserverArt

This comment is meant to be non-offensive…so please take it as humor as intended.

The big difference about fashion styles of the late 60s and early 70s is you could take them off and then move on to another look or fashion.

What are all of those folks that jumped heavily into all the tattoos going to do once the fashion of having them is gone, or you want to move on to another look?

I’ve seen tattoos as outrageous and colorful as Hillary’s stripped bell bottoms.

I think we’re at critical mass at this point. So many people across Gen X and the Millineals have tattoos that no one is going to think twice about it.

454 FemNaziBitch  Jul 6, 2015 10:01:35am

re: #396 ObserverArt

Hey! Missed you being around the last couple weeks.

Yes, and I feel much healthier because of it. Not you guys, just needed to step away from public affairs.

455 Targetpractice  Jul 6, 2015 10:01:49am

re: #438 Ace-o-aces

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This is like the morons who tried to argue after Akin’s remarks that he was “right” in a biological sense.

456 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 6, 2015 10:02:06am

LOL!

457 FemNaziBitch  Jul 6, 2015 10:03:04am

Got inundated by Fox News over the holiday. OY

I heard that Trump was topping the polls. I wanted to laugh. He is topping the polls because everyone is having a great time making jokes about him, not because he is a viable candidate.

This seems to have been lost on the Whackos.

458 Snarknado!  Jul 6, 2015 10:03:33am

re: #447 ObserverArt

This comment is meant to be non-offensive…so please take it as humor as intended.

The big difference about fashion styles of the late 60s and early 70s is you could take them off and then move on to another look or fashion.

What are all of those folks that jumped heavily into all the tattoos going to do once the fashion of having them is gone, or you want to move on to another look?

I’ve seen tattoos as outrageous and colorful as Hillary’s stripped bell bottoms.

Tatoos can be modified or removed (I’ll stick to colored paints, though), it’s the piercings I wonder about.

459 Dr Lizardo  Jul 6, 2015 10:04:02am

re: #452 Snarknado!

Pigeons? The ones around here crowd around someone with food, but they’re too timid to snatch food.

The pigeons down there at Tommy’s are pretty hardcore pigeons. They’re all like OG pigeons or something.

460 Targetpractice  Jul 6, 2015 10:05:09am

re: #457 FemNaziBitch

Got inundated by Fox News over the holiday. OY

I heard that Trump was topping the polls. I wanted to laugh. He is topping the polls because everyone is having a great time making jokes about him, not because he is a viable candidate.

This seems to have been lost on the Whackos.

Personally, were I still a conservative, right about now I’d be scared shitless about Trump topping the polls. If they really believe that blowhard asshole has any real shot in the general election, then they’ve lost all touch with reality.

461 Kragar  Jul 6, 2015 10:06:01am

re: #457 FemNaziBitch

I got hit by neo-confederate apologists (IT WAS ALL ABOUT TARIFFS!) and Anti-vaxers (Just read this debunked study!)

462 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Jul 6, 2015 10:06:26am

re: #454 FemNaziBitch

Yes, and I feel much healthier because of it. Not you guys, just needed to step away from public affairs.

I know the feeling. I avoid most news, blogs, etc on weekends.

463 FemNaziBitch  Jul 6, 2015 10:06:26am

from Senator Durbins e-newsletter:

Scott Air Force Base’s Bid for the New NGA Facility

Scott Air Force Base is a finalist location for the new National Geospatial-Intelligence Agency (NGA) facility which would bring 3,150 jobs to the region. I held a press conference discussing my support which you can read more about in the Belleville News-Democrat by clicking HERE

I guess they are going to make more maps.

464 Varek Raith  Jul 6, 2015 10:06:27am

re: #456 Backwoods_Sleuth

LOL!

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At least you can count on Christie to not give two hoots about going after someone.

465 FemNaziBitch  Jul 6, 2015 10:08:32am

re: #462 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse

I know the feeling. I avoid most news, blogs, etc on weekends.

I binged on my long neglected sci-fi podcasts. There are some good short-stories out there on audio! StarShipSofa did an early George R R Martin. He was kind enough to give it to them.

I’m not sure I’m ready to be back every day. There is so much Science Fiction to be read.

466 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Jul 6, 2015 10:08:36am

re: #464 Varek Raith

At least you can count on Christie to not give two hoots about going after someone.

Christie has also apparently come out against the SCOTUS gay-rights decision.

Great guy.

////

467 Feline Fearless Leader  Jul 6, 2015 10:09:36am

re: #446 Snarknado!

At the SF zoo, they were wrestling lunches away from toddlers until the (successful) campaign to get people to NEVER feed seagulls. Now they haunt the waterfronts. If they ever learn to hunt in pairs we’re doomed.

“Nice child you have there in that stroller. Pity if something would happen to it. Yes, we would like the chips as well as the sandwich.”

(Edit: The gull in the picture was looking at the two women eating lunch on the next table over. And they were giving the gull the side-eye wondering if it was going to get more aggressive.)

468 The Vicious Babushka  Jul 6, 2015 10:09:39am

...

469 Targetpractice  Jul 6, 2015 10:10:28am

I can’t help but wonder how many of those who think Donald Trump is a serious candidate thought the same thing about Ross Perot.

470 Varek Raith  Jul 6, 2015 10:11:04am

re: #466 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse

Christie has also apparently come out against the SCOTUS gay-rights decision.

Great guy.

////

I wonder if the GOP higher ups thought Christie would play nice with his fellow crazies.
XD

471 SteveMcGaziBolaGate  Jul 6, 2015 10:11:20am

Some Jersey people are complaining the governor isn’t home much anymore to run the state:
philly.com

I’m SURE his aides know exactly what he wants them to do!

472 Eventual Carrion  Jul 6, 2015 10:12:23am

re: #426 Backwoods_Sleuth

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The cats are like, “Who was that masked man?”

473 Feline Fearless Leader  Jul 6, 2015 10:13:19am

re: #471 SteveMcGaziBolaGate

Some Jersey people are complaining the governor isn’t home much anymore to run the state:
philly.com

I’m SURE his aides know exactly what he wants them to do!

The Democrats ran ads to that effect last election - that Christie was going to get so tied up in POTUS running that he wouldn’t do his job as governor. I saw that poo-poo-ed by a few people as of no importance and that the Democrats had better things to jabber about than that.

474 FemNaziBitch  Jul 6, 2015 10:13:23am

Seriously??? It would work like a Star Trek Communicator? It would really pick-up my voice and not background noise? I wouldn’t have to have the Borg Implant in my ear?

475 The Vicious Babushka  Jul 6, 2015 10:13:28am

re: #472 Eventual Carrion

The cats are like, “Who was that masked man cat?”

476 SteveMcGaziBolaGate  Jul 6, 2015 10:14:07am

re: #472 Eventual Carrion

“I thought you were gonna stop him”
“I thought YOU were gonna stop him”
“I already ate”

477 FemNaziBitch  Jul 6, 2015 10:14:17am

re: #469 Targetpractice

I can’t help but wonder how many of those who think Donald Trump is a serious candidate thought the same thing about Ross Perot.

They have this fantasy that one can run a government like one run’s a business or a household.

478 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 6, 2015 10:14:59am

This happened at the Tour de France:

479 The Vicious Babushka  Jul 6, 2015 10:16:13am

re: #477 FemNaziBitch

They have this fantasy that one can run a government like one run’s a business or a household.

480 Kragar  Jul 6, 2015 10:16:36am

Got to love the League of the South

481 FemNaziBitch  Jul 6, 2015 10:16:37am

I got new knee braces!!!!!! I got them thru the Dr. so they went thru insurance and against my deductible.

These are sooooo kewl. I can wear them under my clothes and they aren’t sweat boxes for my knees!!!

482 wrenchwench  Jul 6, 2015 10:16:41am

re: #478 Backwoods_Sleuth

This happened at the Tour de France:

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As long as they are falling down without the assistance of pharmaceuticals!

483 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Jul 6, 2015 10:17:34am

re: #480 Kragar

Got to love the League of the South

I thought The Left was the real racists?

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484 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 6, 2015 10:17:37am

re: #482 wrenchwench

The video is really scary.

485 Ace-o-aces  Jul 6, 2015 10:18:25am
486 wrenchwench  Jul 6, 2015 10:19:30am
re: #482 wrenchwench

The video is really scary.

Greenish-yellow jersey does quite a somersault!

487 Kragar  Jul 6, 2015 10:20:01am
488 The Vicious Babushka  Jul 6, 2015 10:21:36am

I am running low on my favorite Estee Lauder face cream, so to Macy’s I shall go.

489 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Jul 6, 2015 10:21:45am

re: #487 Kragar

Like to survive, work, eat, etc.

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490 Targetpractice  Jul 6, 2015 10:22:06am

re: #487 Kragar

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The people who say we should run the country as the Founders intended, forgetting that the Founders didn’t have immigration laws or bar anybody who was willing to work for a living from being an American.

491 The Vicious Babushka  Jul 6, 2015 10:24:51am

re: #490 Targetpractice

The people who say we should run the country as the Founders intended, forgetting that the Founders didn’t have immigration laws or bar anybody who was willing to work for a living from being an American.

Except for the people that they brought in to work for free.

492 The Vicious Babushka  Jul 6, 2015 10:26:18am

WHAT IN THE UTTER FUCK.
No assholes, the state of Oregon concluded that the Kleins were breaking the law. You just made up all that other shit.

493 HappyWarrior  Jul 6, 2015 10:26:48am

re: #480 Kragar

Got to love the League of the South

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Doesn’t confuse me at all Mikey. Just shows you’re at least honest.

495 HappyWarrior  Jul 6, 2015 10:28:18am

re: #490 Targetpractice

The people who say we should run the country as the Founders intended, forgetting that the Founders didn’t have immigration laws or bar anybody who was willing to work for a living from being an American.

Many of the founders were immigrants themselves. Paine was from England. Albert Gallatin was Swiss.

496 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Jul 6, 2015 10:28:59am

re: #493 HappyWarrior

Doesn’t confuse me at all Mikey. Just shows you’re at least honest.

But Leftists are the real, real racists.

/

497 Ace-o-aces  Jul 6, 2015 10:29:08am
498 FemNaziBitch  Jul 6, 2015 10:29:36am

re: #487 Kragar

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SEE MY PAGES POST

499 jaunte  Jul 6, 2015 10:29:46am
Thx to all the people who called to say they are cutting their @Macys credit card as a protest against illegal immigrants pouring into US

How many was that… a half a dozen?

500 Kragar  Jul 6, 2015 10:30:13am

re: #493 HappyWarrior

Doesn’t confuse me at all Mikey. Just shows you’re at least honest.

“I’m racist, so what?”

“It means you have nothing worth saying and are a sack of shit.”

“Hey now -“

“Shut up, you sack of shit.”

“I’m trying to explai-“

“Shut up, you sack of shit.”

Nothing confusing here at all.

501 FemNaziBitch  Jul 6, 2015 10:30:53am

re: #495 HappyWarrior

Many of the founders were immigrants themselves. Paine was from England. Albert Gallatin was Swiss.

Hamilton was an IIRC a British Citizen by way of one of the Islands.

502 HappyWarrior  Jul 6, 2015 10:31:16am

re: #497 Ace-o-aces

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Crime happens in large city, shock. Goddamn they are obsessed with Chicago tho.

503 HappyWarrior  Jul 6, 2015 10:31:36am

re: #501 FemNaziBitch

Hamilton was an IIRC a British Citizen by way of one of the Islands.

Yes he was.

504 HappyWarrior  Jul 6, 2015 10:32:20am

re: #500 Kragar

“I’m racist, so what?”

“It means you have nothing worth saying and are a sack of shit.”

“Hey now -“

“Shut up, you sack of shit.”

“I’m trying to explai-“

“Shut up, you sack of shit.”

Nothing confusing here at all.

Yeah dunno who Hill thinks is confused here.

505 FemNaziBitch  Jul 6, 2015 10:32:57am

Koch-Backed Group Calls For No More National Parks

Sucks when there might be oil under the Park.

506 stpaulbear  Jul 6, 2015 10:33:12am

re: #494 FemNaziBitch

Wisconsin GOP Lawmakers Move One Step Closer To Ending Democracy By Killing Open Records Law

They got so much heat for that one that they backed off - for now. I wouldn’t doubt they’ll try to slip it in again sometime.

link

507 Targetpractice  Jul 6, 2015 10:33:22am

re: #493 HappyWarrior

Doesn’t confuse me at all Mikey. Just shows you’re at least honest.

I think he’s a racist. He admits to being a racist. Hey, at least we agree on something.

508 darthstar  Jul 6, 2015 10:33:41am
509 Targetpractice  Jul 6, 2015 10:34:26am

re: #506 stpaulbear

They got so much heat for that one that they backed off - for now. I wouldn’t doubt they’ll try to slip it in again sometime.

They’ll do it in a bill they think nobody will be paying attention to until it’s on Walker’s desk, likely a “must-pass” bill that he’ll argue he simply “can’t afford” to veto.

510 HappyWarrior  Jul 6, 2015 10:34:55am

re: #505 FemNaziBitch

Koch-Backed Group Calls For No More National Parks

Sucks when there might be oil under the Park.

Assholes.

511 jaunte  Jul 6, 2015 10:35:05am

re: #502 HappyWarrior

Crime happens in large city, shock. Goddamn they are obsessed with Chicago tho.

Oddly, no one focused on Chicago seems to talk about Terre Haute…


city-data.com
512 HappyWarrior  Jul 6, 2015 10:35:48am

re: #507 Targetpractice

I think he’s a racist. He admits to being a racist. Hey, at least we agree on something.

As I said I appreciate Mr. Hill’s honesty here heh.

513 ObserverArt  Jul 6, 2015 10:36:11am

re: #480 Kragar

Got to love the League of the South

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Before the end of July it should be pretty clear to everyone the CSA battle flag is a racist symbol. Guys like the one in the tweet you posted are going to make sure of it. Add in the KKK demo in SC and all the other scum that is surfacing in its defense will put to rest any ‘heritage’ bullshit. Well, unless they want to admit a very large part of their heritage is racism.

514 BeachDem  Jul 6, 2015 10:37:03am

Sick of this shit:

Haley has led the charge for the flag’s removal

Just 8 short months ago:

“What I can tell you is over the last three and a half years, I spent a lot of my days on the phones with CEOs and recruiting jobs to this state,” Haley said. “I can honestly say I have not had one conversation with a single CEO about the Confederate flag.”

Yeah, Nikki’s a real profile in courage.

515 HappyWarrior  Jul 6, 2015 10:37:28am

re: #511 jaunte

Oddly, no one focused on Chicago seems to talk about Terre Haute…

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Doesn’t fit the Obama hate narrative and it’s a majority white city in a heavily republican state.
city-data.com

516 The Vicious Babushka  Jul 6, 2015 10:37:37am

re: #499 jaunte

How many was that… a half a dozen?

All people who didn’t have a Macy’s card to begin with.

517 HappyWarrior  Jul 6, 2015 10:38:50am

re: #514 BeachDem

Sick of this shit:

Haley has led the charge for the flag’s removal

Just 8 short months ago:

“What I can tell you is over the last three and a half years, I spent a lot of my days on the phones with CEOs and recruiting jobs to this state,” Haley said. “I can honestly say I have not had one conversation with a single CEO about the Confederate flag.”

Yeah, Nikki’s a real profile in courage.

And she mocked the opponents of the flag. She’s no hero, just an opportunist.

518 The Vicious Babushka  Jul 6, 2015 10:39:08am

NEWS FLASH: “Atlas Shrugged” is really badly-written fiction, not reality.

519 FemNaziBitch  Jul 6, 2015 10:39:44am

re: #511 jaunte

Oddly, no one focused on Chicago seems to talk about Terre Haute…

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city-data.com

Have you ever been to Terre Haute? There is not much to do there.

520 FemNaziBitch  Jul 6, 2015 10:40:34am

re: #518 The Vicious Babushka

NEWS FLASH: “Atlas Shrugged” is really badly-written fiction, not reality.

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ahahahahahahah —the women who supported Abortion and thought anyone who believed in god was an idiot.

521 teleskiguy  Jul 6, 2015 10:41:01am

Ugh. So this is what you’re up against BeachDem. What a dim bulb this guy is.

522 jaunte  Jul 6, 2015 10:41:46am

re: #519 FemNaziBitch

I have, to retrieve a daughter and grandson from a loser deadbeat.

523 stpaulbear  Jul 6, 2015 10:42:01am

re: #509 Targetpractice

They’ll do it in a bill they think nobody will be paying attention to until it’s on Walker’s desk, likely a “must-pass” bill that he’ll argue he simply “can’t afford” to veto.

I think Walker gets to line-item veto. If it stays in the bill, it’s because he wants it in the bill. I’m sure that he wants it and doesn’t give a rat’s pitootie about how bad it looks. It will look worse when everything he’s doing becomes public.

524 Kragar  Jul 6, 2015 10:42:32am
525 Ace-o-aces  Jul 6, 2015 10:43:17am
526 CuriousLurker  Jul 6, 2015 10:43:43am

re: #488 The Vicious Babushka

I am running low on my favorite Estee Lauder face cream, so to Macy’s I shall go.

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THIS. I have a fully paid off Macy’s card that I don’t use often, but I’m thinking about buying something just to spite Trump.

527 jaunte  Jul 6, 2015 10:44:37am

re: #526 CuriousLurker

Yes, I have had no reason to go to Macy’s for the last 20 years, but Trump has inspired a visit.

528 BeachDem  Jul 6, 2015 10:46:59am

re: #521 teleskiguy

Ugh. So this is what you’re up against BeachDem. What a dim bulb this guy is.

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Sure is—so ironic that his name is Bright. (And I point out again that he came in second to Lindsey Graham in the 2014 primary.)

529 HappyWarrior  Jul 6, 2015 10:48:20am

re: #518 The Vicious Babushka

NEWS FLASH: “Atlas Shrugged” is really badly-written fiction, not reality.

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Funny since Ayn Rand s entire philosophy if you can call it one is about ignoring reality or as you know then as other people.

530 FemNaziBitch  Jul 6, 2015 10:53:28am

re: #522 jaunte

I have, to retrieve a daughter and grandson from a loser deadbeat.

So sorry.

531 FemNaziBitch  Jul 6, 2015 10:54:05am

re: #526 CuriousLurker

THIS. I have a fully paid off Macy’s card that I don’t use often, but I’m thinking about buying something just to spite Trump.

They have nice jewelry.

532 FemNaziBitch  Jul 6, 2015 10:54:36am

re: #527 jaunte

Yes, I have had no reason to go to Macy’s for the last 20 years, but Trump has inspired a visit.

coupons + sales = really good prices

533 BeenHereAwhile  Jul 6, 2015 11:26:23am

re: #326 urbanmeemaw

Another legend.

I’m enjoying this baseball announcer thread. As long as I’ve enjoyed the game I never really considered how perfectly baseball and radio go together (and my dad was in radio for 60 years). Baseball is meant to be listened to while sitting on your front porch on a warm summer evening.

re: #364 Feline Fearless Leader

Yoy and double Yoy!

Red Barber


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