1 Targetpractice  Jul 9, 2015 1:59:00pm

I’m already prepared for the apocalypse. It’s why I’ve got a huge collection of bottlecaps.

///

2 Mattand  Jul 9, 2015 2:00:01pm

Thanks for this video. I had completely forgotten that my urine-filtering hat had finally worn out.

3 Kragar  Jul 9, 2015 2:02:35pm

YOU SHALL RIDE ETERNAL, SHINY AND CHROME!

4 Iwouldprefernotto  Jul 9, 2015 2:03:48pm

From Slate.

RNC may try to keep Trump off the debate stage. Only candidates that complete their financial forms will be included. Will Trump complete his?

Trump

5 Kragar  Jul 9, 2015 2:07:10pm

…

6 EPR-radar  Jul 9, 2015 2:07:42pm

re: #4 Iwouldprefernotto

From Slate.

RNC may try to keep Trump off the debate stage. Only candidates that complete their financial forms will be included. Will Trump complete his?

Trump

Trump has made statements that he intends to go through with the financial disclosures. If he actually does this, I expect him to go the distance in the GOP primary, and go third party if his ego (or the brain-eating tribble) demands it.

7 teleskiguy  Jul 9, 2015 2:07:50pm
8 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Jul 9, 2015 2:09:04pm

re: #4 Iwouldprefernotto

From Slate.

RNC may try to keep Trump off the debate stage. Only candidates that complete their financial forms will be included. Will Trump complete his?

Trump

also there’s the clause about no rabid marmosets on stage

9 Decatur Deb  Jul 9, 2015 2:10:42pm

re: #1 Targetpractice

I’m already prepared for the apocalypse. It’s why I’ve got a huge collection of bottlecaps.

///

I can knap flint. Let’s set up a market under a large tree.

10 jaunte  Jul 9, 2015 2:11:28pm

re: #4 Iwouldprefernotto

Will Trump complete his?

I say he won’t.

11 Romantic Heretic  Jul 9, 2015 2:15:42pm

Sort of OT: I’m finding the new font easy to read, and my wife who always struggled with the old font finds it much easier to see.

12 #FergusonFireside  Jul 9, 2015 2:16:07pm

re: #5 Kragar

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Video

That was great.

13 Great White Snark  Jul 9, 2015 2:16:13pm

re: #9 Decatur Deb

You guys can always stop by my alchemy lab. Make some gold from lead.

14 Kragar  Jul 9, 2015 2:16:32pm
15 goddamnedfrank  Jul 9, 2015 2:17:24pm

Is Chuck C Johnson writing for the Enquirer now?

An exhaustive investigation by The National ENQUIRER obtained “touch DNA” samples from both Chelsea and Webb Hubbell, samples that were turned over to a nationally recognized laboratory that specializes in paternity testing.

In a bombshell revelation that threatens to turn Hillary’s 2016 presidential campaign into absolute chaos, The ENQUIRER has learned the lab result was inconclusive.

A lab official confirmed that finding “does not discount the possibility” that Webb could be Chelsea’s biological dad!

Translation: We bought some “DNA samples” off of this guy:

And he seemed totally legit so we sent them off to be tested by this guy:

And he didn’t have any idea was DNA was so he zapped them with lightening and the results were inconclusive because he’s batshit insane and that means we think Bill isn’t Chelsea’s Dad.

16 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Jul 9, 2015 2:17:36pm

re: #14 Kragar

Gotta check in with Peggy Noonan…..

17 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Jul 9, 2015 2:19:01pm

re: #15 goddamnedfrank

In a bombshell revelation that threatens to turn Hillary’s 2016 presidential campaign into absolute chaos, The ENQUIRER has learned the lab result was inconclusive.

BREAKING: We don’t know anything about anything but here is a bunch of stuff it would be irresponsible not to speculate about.

18 teleskiguy  Jul 9, 2015 2:19:42pm

Dude, Stephen Colbert has been putting out some pretty weird YouTube videos in his run-up to his new gig at CBS. He’s certainly piqued my curiosity!

19 CriticalDragon1177  Jul 9, 2015 2:19:52pm

Charles Johnson,

Here’s something else that’s pretty funny.

Hands Down, The Most Embarrassing Facebook Fails Of All Time…
likes.com

20 The Vicious Babushka  Jul 9, 2015 2:20:41pm

#tcot is posting a whole bunch of memes about the white girl who was killed in San Francisco because HURR HURR IT TEH DEMOCRATS FAULT!!!!!! but they don’t want to own Dylann Roof so they don’t say anything about the Charleston 9.

21 Ace-o-aces  Jul 9, 2015 2:21:07pm

re: #15 goddamnedfrank

The ENQUIRER has learned the lab result was inconclusive.

A lab official confirmed that finding “does not discount the possibility” that Webb could be Chelsea’s biological dad!

BREAKING!!!!!!: We got nothin………

22 thedopefishlives  Jul 9, 2015 2:23:09pm

re: #20 The Vicious Babushka

#tcot is posting a whole bunch of memes about the white girl who was killed in San Francisco because HURR HURR IT TEH DEMOCRATS FAULT!!!!!! but they don’t want to own Dylann Roof so they don’t say anything about the Charleston 9.

Because only white lives matter.

Evening Lizardim.

23 Ace-o-aces  Jul 9, 2015 2:23:31pm

re: #15 goddamnedfrank

Is Chuck C Johnson writing for the Enquirer now?

The Enquirer would be a serious step up for him. Sure they both make up shit, but at least the writers at the Enquirer know how to structure a story to read like a real news story and not just the random thoughts of a drunken racist.

24 jaunte  Jul 9, 2015 2:24:15pm
25 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Jul 9, 2015 2:26:27pm

re: #19 CriticalDragon1177

Charles Johnson,

Here’s something else that’s pretty funny.

Hands Down, The Most Embarrassing Facebook Fails Of All Time…
likes.com

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The waves come in, the waves go back out. YOU CANT EXPLAIN THAT!!!!!

26 Ace-o-aces  Jul 9, 2015 2:27:57pm
27 CriticalDragon1177  Jul 9, 2015 2:34:28pm

re: #26 Ace-o-aces

I decided to power own the ignoramus,

28 thedopefishlives  Jul 9, 2015 2:39:21pm

re: #27 CriticalDragon1177

Alas, there’s no arguing with the stupid.

29 bubba zanetti  Jul 9, 2015 2:39:58pm

Take it down from where?

30 Charles Johnson  Jul 9, 2015 2:40:22pm

re: #15 goddamnedfrank

Is Chuck C Johnson writing for the Enquirer now?

No, better. He’s writing for white nationalist antisemitic Takimag.

That’s pretty much it for Chucky. Takimag is a one-way street - once somebody writes for them there’s no going back. Any hope he had of a legitimate journalism career is now deader than the proverbial doornail.

31 CriticalDragon1177  Jul 9, 2015 2:40:57pm

re: #28 thedopefishlives

Yes, but you can make the stupid people look even more stupid.

32 goddamnedfrank  Jul 9, 2015 2:41:55pm

Joan Jett is a total piece of shit (Long article, highly recommend.)

At some point, Jackie says she had to lie down on a bed to rest. She was having trouble staying upright. When a roadie checked to see if she was OK, Fowley asked him if he was interested in having sex with her. “She doesn’t mind,” Fowley said. “Do you?”

Jackie tried to protest, but she was frozen. “You don’t know what terror is until you realize something bad is about to happen to you and you can’t move a muscle,” she says. “I can’t move. I can’t speak. All I can do is look him in the eye and do the best I can do to communicate: Please say no. … I don’t know what it looked like from the outside. But I know what was going on inside and it was horror.” The roadie declined Fowley’s offer, and soon after, Jackie says she started to slip in and out of consciousness.

…

Fowley invited other guys to have sex with Jackie before removing his own pants and climbing on top of her. “Kim’s fucking someone!” a voice shouted from the door of the motel room to the partygoers outside, calling them in to watch. Arguelles returned to the room to see if this was all a big joke.

On the bed, Fowley played to the crowd, gnashing his teeth and growling like a dog as he raped Jackie. He got up at one point to strut around the room before returning to Jackie’s body.

“I remember opening my eyes, Kim Fowley was raping me, and there were people watching me,” Jackie says. She looked out from the bed and noticed Currie and Jett staring at her. She says this was her last memory of the night. Jett, through a representative, denied witnessing the event as it has been described here. Her representative referred all further questions to Jackie “as it’s a matter involving her and she can speak for herself.”

…

Shortly after Jackie returned to Los Angeles and the stories of her quitting the band hit the news, Brent Williams, who witnessed what happened to her the previous New Year’s, says he received a call from Jett. She said that Jackie’s parents might file a lawsuit. If lawyers ever contacted him, he needed to deny being in the motel room that night. (Jett’s representative did not comment when asked about the phone call.)

33 Charles Johnson  Jul 9, 2015 2:42:09pm

“Aw, Evo, you shouldn’t have. No, I mean really - you shouldn’t have.”

34 CriticalDragon1177  Jul 9, 2015 2:43:44pm

re: #27 CriticalDragon1177

LOL! Good one Kragar!

35 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Jul 9, 2015 2:44:00pm

re: #26 Ace-o-aces

Take Down the Fascist Gay-Pride Flag

…every state where it is flying from the dome of the statehouse

36 thedopefishlives  Jul 9, 2015 2:44:40pm

re: #34 CriticalDragon1177

Okay, that there’s funny, I don’t care who y’are.

37 CriticalDragon1177  Jul 9, 2015 2:45:14pm

re: #35 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸

…every state where it is flying from the dome of the statehouse

Which would be none outside of the wingnut parallel universe.

38 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Jul 9, 2015 2:51:44pm

re: #34 CriticalDragon1177

LOL! Good one Kragar!

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it’s an oppressive program of asking people to mind their own fucking business

39 goddamnedfrank  Jul 9, 2015 2:56:45pm

re: #32 goddamnedfrank

One more bit from that article:

Victory Tischler-Blue was Jackie’s replacement on bass, and one of her main memories from her time as a Runaway was how some of the other members made fun of what happened to Jackie. “I heard about that nonstop,” she says now. “They would talk about Kim fucking Jackie like a dog. It was kind of a running joke.”

That’s another third party indication that not only did Jett witness the attack, but she and the rest of the band treated it as comedy afterwards. All of Jett’s pro feminist rhetoric rings hollow knowing that she not only condoned the vicious rape of one of her bandmates but became an accessory after the fact. The Rock and Roll Hall of Fame should expel Jett and everyone should know exactly the kind of calculating monstrous hypocritical piece of trash she really is. Every bit of the public persona she tried to build after this even was constructed on a fundamental lie, because her entire resulting career was made possible by her cover up of a violent sexual assault.

40 Higgs Boson's Mate  Jul 9, 2015 2:59:33pm

re: #38 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸

it’s an oppressive program of asking people to mind their own fucking business

Why is that so difficult for them? It’s like they’ll all dissolve into quivering puddles of protoplasm if we don’t agree with every one of their cockamamie ideas.

41 The War TARDIS  Jul 9, 2015 3:00:36pm

OT, but we got this.

I think the Doctor might go Valeyard.

42 The War TARDIS  Jul 9, 2015 3:01:46pm

And

43 #FergusonFireside  Jul 9, 2015 3:08:57pm

re: #41 The War TARDIS

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OT, but we got this.

I think the Doctor might go Valeyard.

44 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 9, 2015 3:09:02pm

good grief

45 Timothy Watson  Jul 9, 2015 3:10:56pm

re: #44 Backwoods_Sleuth

good grief

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Where’s the Dr. Evil “Conservative Intellectual” image?

46 Charles Johnson  Jul 9, 2015 3:11:35pm
47 Shiplord Kirel  Jul 9, 2015 3:11:36pm

D minus 6 for Jade Helm: Final checks and fueling on black choppers, former Halliburton tsunami generator online, FEMA camps stocked with gruel and rags, secret tunnels cleared and potholes repaired, processing equipment at the Denver facility sharpened and ready to go.

Start the countdown!

48 Lidane  Jul 9, 2015 3:13:08pm

GOHMERT!

49 Great White Snark  Jul 9, 2015 3:14:36pm
50 EPR-radar  Jul 9, 2015 3:14:59pm

re: #47 Shiplord Kirel

D minus 6 for Jade Helm: Final checks and fueling on black choppers, former Halliburton tsunami generator online, FEMA camps stocked with gruel and rags, secret tunnels cleared and potholes repaired, processing equipment at the Denver facility sharpened and ready to go.

Start the countdown!

Reporting from the left coast, uniforms have been secured including the rainbow jackboots specifically requisitioned by the White House.

51 Jayleia  Jul 9, 2015 3:17:14pm

re: #50 EPR-radar

I wanted pink jackboots with lavender laces…dammit.

52 Timothy Watson  Jul 9, 2015 3:17:23pm

re: #44 Backwoods_Sleuth

good grief

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(Stolen from Dr Lizardo.)

53 Shiplord Kirel  Jul 9, 2015 3:17:36pm

re: #48 Lidane

GOHMERT!

Louie Gohmert says Obama doesn’t know American history because he lived in Indonesia as a child

Gohmert doesn’t know his ass from a hole in the ground because he lived in northeast Texas as a child.

54 Lidane  Jul 9, 2015 3:19:23pm

re: #53 Shiplord Kirel

Gohmert doesn’t know his ass from a hole in the ground because he lived in northeast Texas as a child.

Dumb bastard probably think that Paris, TX and Athens, GA are foreign cities.

He’s none too bright.

55 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 9, 2015 3:21:15pm

More about that county clerk in Kentucky:

56 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 9, 2015 3:21:54pm
57 Targetpractice  Jul 9, 2015 3:26:59pm

Well gee, they don’t want much.

58 Dr Lizardo  Jul 9, 2015 3:27:24pm

re: #52 Timothy Watson

Always glad to contribute to the levity.

59 Kragar  Jul 9, 2015 3:28:08pm
60 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 9, 2015 3:28:11pm
61 Kragar  Jul 9, 2015 3:35:04pm

A wild homophobic “white genocide” ranter appears…

Its not very effective.

62 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 9, 2015 3:38:45pm
63 #FergusonFireside  Jul 9, 2015 3:41:01pm

re: #55 Backwoods_Sleuth

More about that county clerk in Kentucky:

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Well then he needs to be a full time preacher of hate. Give up the govt job.

64 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 9, 2015 3:41:31pm
65 wrenchwench  Jul 9, 2015 3:45:39pm

re: #32 goddamnedfrank

Joan is not the worst person in that story, but maybe the worst one who is still alive. And I now know that Joan Jett is no heroine. Thanks for opening my eyes. I’m lucky to not have been any closer to that scene.

66 Kragar  Jul 9, 2015 3:46:20pm

re: #64 Backwoods_Sleuth

Should have haikued

“Soft little kitty,
a cute bundle of warm fuzz,
Come sit on my lap.”

67 The Vicious Babushka  Jul 9, 2015 3:47:25pm

Dumbass in my timeline, wants me to retweet the lame Hillary Photoshop.

68 No Country For Old Haters  Jul 9, 2015 3:48:35pm

re: #56 Backwoods_Sleuth

Joe’s making a lot of sense for a crazy person

Joe Sonka @joesonka * 5,182 FOLLOWERS * 42,045 TWEETS
KY politics is what I do. Hired gun. Creation scientist.

69 Kragar  Jul 9, 2015 3:51:47pm
70 Eric The Fruit Bat  Jul 9, 2015 3:54:17pm

re: #30 Charles Johnson

Yep-Taki’s place is where racists, RWNJ’s, irrelevant writers and cranks go to die.

71 Bubblehead II  Jul 9, 2015 3:54:39pm

re: #64 Backwoods_Sleuth

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72 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 9, 2015 3:55:20pm

re: #68 No Country For Old Haters

Joe’s making a lot of sense for a crazy person

Joe Sonka @joesonka * 5,182 FOLLOWERS * 42,045 TWEETS
KY politics is what I do. Hired gun. Creation scientist.

He really isn’t a creation scientist. That’s a sarcastic reference to Ken Ham.

73 Kragar  Jul 9, 2015 3:56:46pm

re: #71 Bubblehead II

74 No Country For Old Haters  Jul 9, 2015 3:58:05pm

re: #73 Kragar

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I don’t let my cat outside anymore for that reason. She’s not happy with the situation, but the wildlife is doing a lot better.

75 Eric The Fruit Bat  Jul 9, 2015 3:58:11pm

re: #46 Charles Johnson

He’s really reaching there-yelling about thousands of deportations-sounds like the Feds are doing their job, no?

76 wrenchwench  Jul 9, 2015 3:59:52pm
77 Great White Snark  Jul 9, 2015 4:03:06pm

re: #64 Backwoods_Sleuth

I see whiskers but no nose. Who took it?

78 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 9, 2015 4:04:00pm

re: #77 Great White Snark

I see whiskers but no nose. Who took it?

no idea.

79 Kragar  Jul 9, 2015 4:04:26pm

re: #76 wrenchwench

“Eliminates uncomfortable feeling of having to say aloud what you think of African Americans.”

80 wrenchwench  Jul 9, 2015 4:05:00pm

Most interesting bio on Twitter:

Justin Kiggins
@neuromusic

auditory neurophysiology via biomedical engineering via music

81 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 9, 2015 4:06:33pm

re: #76 wrenchwench

“Simplest way to let others know your state ranks in bottom quintile of all quality-of-life metrics”

82 Great White Snark  Jul 9, 2015 4:06:53pm

re: #78 Backwoods_Sleuth

Kitty looks like he want to know if you took it. :-) You being whoever is looking at the pic.

83 CuriousLurker  Jul 9, 2015 4:08:29pm

Needs a caption!

84 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 9, 2015 4:08:42pm

Guessing she didn’t get enough attention with her last tweet:

85 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Jul 9, 2015 4:09:52pm

re: #67 The Vicious Babushka

Dumbass in my timeline, wants me to retweet the lame Hillary Photoshop.

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suppose hillary really did have a confederate flag in her dorm room

would that make it any less obvious that the present day gop caters to racists?

86 Blind Frog Belly White  Jul 9, 2015 4:10:50pm

re: #84 Backwoods_Sleuth

Guessing she didn’t get enough attention with her last tweet:

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They’re not dead, because they were never alive.

(Sounds like a line from a bad horror movie!)

87 Kragar  Jul 9, 2015 4:11:57pm

re: #83 CuriousLurker

Needs a caption!

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“DEATH FROM ABOVE!”

88 Great White Snark  Jul 9, 2015 4:12:08pm

re: #83 CuriousLurker

I can fly! Uh oh.

89 EPR-radar  Jul 9, 2015 4:15:12pm

re: #83 CuriousLurker

That reminds me of the Buttered cat paradox (which even has its own wikipedia entry).

en.wikipedia.org

90 CuriousLurker  Jul 9, 2015 4:17:23pm

re: #89 EPR-radar

That reminds me of the Buttered cat paradox (which even has its own wikipedia entry).

en.wikipedia.org

LOL, I hadn’t thought of that one in ages!

91 #FergusonFireside  Jul 9, 2015 4:17:26pm
92 William Lewis  Jul 9, 2015 4:17:32pm

re: #32 goddamnedfrank

Shrug. I saw far worse in the punk rock scene. Find me an innocent rocker and I’ll show you a dead rocker.

93 No Country For Old Haters  Jul 9, 2015 4:18:27pm

re: #84 Backwoods_Sleuth

Thanks for letting me know Joe’s not nuts. I didn’t check his other tweets.

Also:

94 aagcobb  Jul 9, 2015 4:18:28pm

re: #20 The Vicious Babushka

#tcot is posting a whole bunch of memes about the white girl who was killed in San Francisco because HURR HURR IT TEH DEMOCRATS FAULT!!!!!! but they don’t want to own Dylann Roof so they don’t say anything about the Charleston 9.

Except immigrants’ crime rate is lower than that of American citizens.

95 No Country For Old Haters  Jul 9, 2015 4:19:59pm

re: #92 William Lewis

Shrug. I saw far worse in the punk rock scene. Find me an innocent rocker and I’ll show you a dead rocker.

Did you just shrug off rape?

96 SteveMcGaziBolaGate  Jul 9, 2015 4:20:08pm

re: #94 aagcobb

Except immigrants’ crime rate is lower than that of American citizens.

Reality has a liberal bias. That’s why it can’t be trusted.

97 SteveMcGaziBolaGate  Jul 9, 2015 4:20:24pm

re: #95 No Country For Old Haters

Did you just shrug off rape?

I think he did.

98 Kragar  Jul 9, 2015 4:20:53pm

HOLY CRAP!

99 CuriousLurker  Jul 9, 2015 4:21:20pm

re: #92 William Lewis

I saw this the other day and thought of you, though I’m not sure why:

Nadia Bolz Weber: A pastor for America’s outsiders (BBC)

100 Bubblehead II  Jul 9, 2015 4:21:42pm

re: #95 No Country For Old Haters

Did you just shrug off rape?

He did.

101 wrenchwench  Jul 9, 2015 4:22:24pm

re: #98 Kragar

HOLY CRAP!

The holiest!

102 Kragar  Jul 9, 2015 4:23:28pm

re: #92 William Lewis

So grown men drugging up teen age girls till their comatose and raping them is no big deal?

103 wrenchwench  Jul 9, 2015 4:24:09pm
104 Feline Fearless Leader  Jul 9, 2015 4:24:11pm

re: #83 CuriousLurker

Needs a caption!

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Up, Up, and Away!

105 SteveMcGaziBolaGate  Jul 9, 2015 4:24:15pm

re: #98 Kragar

I think he means to South (of the Rio Grande) American indigenous peoples. I think the protestants are on the hook for the northern people.

106 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Jul 9, 2015 4:25:31pm

re: #30 Charles Johnson

I went there to see.

He’s written something praising Trump for his anti-Mexican remarks. Also, he kisses UKIP’s, Cruz’s and Coulter’s asses, too.

And he still can’t write without somehow referring to himself at least twice.

107 Kragar  Jul 9, 2015 4:25:34pm

re: #105 SteveMcGaziBolaGate

I think he means to South (of the Rio Grande) American indigenous peoples. I think the protestants are on the hook for the northern people.

Most likely, but still, its a big deal

108 SteveMcGaziBolaGate  Jul 9, 2015 4:25:56pm

re: #92 William Lewis

Shrug. I saw far worse in the punk rock scene. Find me an innocent rocker and I’ll show you a dead rocker.

I don’t think there’s a whole lot worse than rape.

109 wrenchwench  Jul 9, 2015 4:26:25pm

re: #105 SteveMcGaziBolaGate

I think he means to South (of the Rio Grande) American indigenous peoples. I think the protestants are on the hook for the northern people.

The Spanish were all over California with Catholic backing, doing slavery and stuff.

110 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Jul 9, 2015 4:27:04pm

re: #11 Romantic Heretic

Sort of OT: I’m finding the new font easy to read, and my wife who always struggled with the old font finds it much easier to see.

I agree.

111 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 9, 2015 4:27:19pm

re: #106 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

I went there to see.

He’s written something praising Trump for his anti-Mexican remarks. Also, he kisses UKIP’s, Cruz’s and Coulter’s asses, too.

And he still can’t write without somehow referring to himself at least twice.

I liked his anecdote about the Rhodesian Ridgeback he met on his paper route, to show he had some personal Rhodesia connection.

:D

112 No Country For Old Haters  Jul 9, 2015 4:28:12pm

re: #92 William Lewis

Shrug. I saw far worse in the punk rock scene. Find me an innocent rocker and I’ll show you a dead rocker.

When you come back apologize for losing your mind for a moment. Don’t dig in.

113 Higgs Boson's Mate  Jul 9, 2015 4:28:17pm

re: #105 SteveMcGaziBolaGate

I think he means to South (of the Rio Grande) American indigenous peoples. I think the protestants are on the hook for the northern people.

The American southwest as well as much of California received the benefit of Catholic clergy in their colonial days. Those 21 California missions didn’t build themselves.

114 CuriousLurker  Jul 9, 2015 4:28:35pm

re: #111 Backwoods_Sleuth

I liked his anecdote about the Rhodesian Ridgeback he met on his paper route, to show he had some personal Rhodesia connection.

:D

Oh gawd, how pathetic.

115 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 9, 2015 4:28:57pm

re: #114 CuriousLurker

Oh gawd, how pathetic.

It was TOTALLY pathetic!

116 Blind Frog Belly White  Jul 9, 2015 4:28:59pm

re: #105 SteveMcGaziBolaGate

I think he means to South (of the Rio Grande) American indigenous peoples. I think the protestants are on the hook for the northern people.

<wingnut>They wuz all Democrats!!!</wingnut>

117 SteveMcGaziBolaGate  Jul 9, 2015 4:30:10pm

re: #107 Kragar

re: #113 Higgs Boson’s Mate

I know. I was sort of giving the ham handed swipe at a wingnut dodge.

118 aagcobb  Jul 9, 2015 4:30:43pm

re: #98 Kragar

HOLY CRAP!

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The Pope is on a apology tour!

119 wrenchwench  Jul 9, 2015 4:30:53pm

re: #113 Higgs Boson’s Mate

The American southwest as well as much of California received the benefit of Catholic clergy in their colonial days. Those 21 California missions didn’t build themselves.

Right, the indigenous people were ‘supervised’ by the clergy.

120 SteveMcGaziBolaGate  Jul 9, 2015 4:31:27pm

re: #112 No Country For Old Haters

When you come back apologize for losing your mind for a moment. Don’t dig in.

I’m sure I’ve said some dumb shit. (But not about soccer)

121 Eric The Fruit Bat  Jul 9, 2015 4:31:53pm

re: #90 CuriousLurker

Here’s a Brazilian ad that won a award based on the paradox.

122 Kragar  Jul 9, 2015 4:32:15pm
123 CuriousLurker  Jul 9, 2015 4:32:20pm

re: #113 Higgs Boson’s Mate

The American southwest as well as much of California received the benefit of Catholic clergy in their colonial days. Those 21 California missions didn’t build themselves.

Yep, over the years we had a total of 35 in Texas (PDF map at the link).

124 funky chicken  Jul 9, 2015 4:33:06pm

re: #15 goddamnedfrank

Chelsea looks a lot like Bill to me, and always has.

125 Blind Frog Belly White  Jul 9, 2015 4:33:17pm

re: #113 Higgs Boson’s Mate

The American southwest as well as much of California received the benefit of Catholic clergy in their colonial days. Those 21 California missions didn’t build themselves.

Say what you will about the Spanish Catholics in the Americas, at least they didn’t simply exterminate the Indians, like we did.

126 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 9, 2015 4:33:55pm

re: #124 funky chicken

Chelsea looks a lot like Bill to me, and always has.

Especially when she was very young.

127 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Jul 9, 2015 4:34:29pm

re: #111 Backwoods_Sleuth

I liked his anecdote about the Rhodesian Ridgeback he met on his paper route, to show he had some personal Rhodesia connection.

:D

His pontificating about South Africa and Rhodesia being so wonderful during white minority rule and horrible during majority rule really pisses me off, because it’s clear he knows very little about either country. Sure Mugabe is a total fuckup, but he’s a petty dictator who’s stifled any sort of democratic rule. South Africa, while its government has its own problems, is not the apocalyptic hellhole CCJ describes. White women are not being raped by the thousands by scary black men, and most whites don’t fear for their lives. Only a certain batshit crazy white supremacist contingent believes they are under constant threat of extinction.

Of course, those are probably the only South Africans CCJ knows.

128 Kragar  Jul 9, 2015 4:35:37pm

re: #125 Blind Frog Belly White

Someone should have let the Conquistadors in on that info.

129 GlutenFreeJesus  Jul 9, 2015 4:36:36pm

Support are troops!

George W. Bush charged wounded vets group $100k for speech

Man, what an asshole… And that’s on top of the $20,000 charged for the plane ride.

130 funky chicken  Jul 9, 2015 4:36:58pm

re: #105 SteveMcGaziBolaGate

I think he means to South (of the Rio Grande) American indigenous peoples. I think the protestants are on the hook for the northern people.

I guess Florida is south of the Rio Grande.

131 funky chicken  Jul 9, 2015 4:37:46pm

re: #125 Blind Frog Belly White

Um, what?

132 Timothy Watson  Jul 9, 2015 4:38:36pm

re: #130 funky chicken

I guess Florida is south of the Rio Grande.

Andrew Jackson did a lot of the exterminating in Florida.

133 Blind Frog Belly White  Jul 9, 2015 4:39:25pm

re: #128 Kragar

Someone should have let the Conquistadors in on that info.

Not excusing that AT ALL. But the population of Latin America is mostly descended from the indigenous population, not the Spanish. They killed A LOT of them, but they didn’t do nearly the job of it we did.

134 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 9, 2015 4:39:45pm
135 Eric The Fruit Bat  Jul 9, 2015 4:40:14pm

re: #129 GlutenFreeJesus

Leave it to C+ Agustus to continue to find a way to keep profiting on his biggest fuckup in history.

136 funky chicken  Jul 9, 2015 4:40:43pm

C’mon guys.

en.wikipedia.org

137 CuriousLurker  Jul 9, 2015 4:42:17pm

re: #134 Backwoods_Sleuth

Do you suppose he’ll support the same for states & counties that refuse to perform marriages for same-sex couples? After all, the right for them to marry is federal law now too…

138 #FergusonFireside  Jul 9, 2015 4:42:55pm
139 funky chicken  Jul 9, 2015 4:43:03pm
n 1502 the newly appointed governor, Nicolás de Ovando, arrived in Hispaniola. The Spanish Crown expected Ovando to bring order to a colony in disarray.[9][14] Ovando interpreted this as authorizing subjugation of the native Taínos. Thus, Ovando authorized the Jaragua Massacre in November 1503. In 1504, when Tainos overran a small Spanish garrison in Higüey on the island’s eastern side, Ovando assigned Ponce de León to crush the rebellion.[14] Ponce de León was actively involved in the Higüey massacre, about which friar Bartolomé de las Casas attempted to notify Spanish authorities. Ovando rewarded his victorious commander by appointing him frontier governor of the newly conquered province, then named Higüey.[15] Ponce de León received a substantial land grant which authorized sufficient Indian slave labor to farm his new estate.[16]

Ponce de León prospered in this new role. He found a ready market for his farm produce and livestock at nearby Boca de Yuma where Spanish ships stocked supplies before the long voyage back to Spain. In 1505 Ovando authorized Ponce de León to establish a new town in Higüey, which he named Salvaleón. In 1508 King Ferdinand (Queen Isabella having opposed the exploitation of natives but dying in 1504) authorized Ponce de León to conquer the remaining Tainos and exploit them in gold mining.[17]

These weren’t sweet fellas.

140 Blind Frog Belly White  Jul 9, 2015 4:43:41pm

re: #136 funky chicken

C’mon guys.

en.wikipedia.org

You do understand that what I’m saying is not that they weren’t bad, but that we were worse, right?

141 Higgs Boson's Mate  Jul 9, 2015 4:43:50pm

re: #133 Blind Frog Belly White

Not excusing that AT ALL. But the population of Latin America is mostly descended from the indigenous population, not the Spanish. They killed A LOT of them, but they didn’t do nearly the job of it we did.

The Spanish needed their labor, killing them would have been counterproductive. There are many reasons why the Spanish didn’t exterminate the indigenous population of the New World, forbearance wasn’t one of them.

142 Blind Frog Belly White  Jul 9, 2015 4:45:03pm

re: #141 Higgs Boson’s Mate

The Spanish needed their labor, killing them would have been counterproductive. There are many reasons why the Spanish didn’t exterminate the indigenous population of the New World, forbearance wasn’t one of them.

Nor did I say it was. Not sure where you got that impression.

143 Eric The Fruit Bat  Jul 9, 2015 4:45:25pm

re: #134 Backwoods_Sleuth

Paul the lesser needs to watch Penn and Teller.

(Just a little cognitive dissonance here. (evil grin))

144 funky chicken  Jul 9, 2015 4:51:05pm

re: #140 Blind Frog Belly White

Who is this “we” white man?

145 CuriousLurker  Jul 9, 2015 4:52:22pm

Oh boy. BBL

146 Blind Frog Belly White  Jul 9, 2015 4:53:46pm

re: #144 funky chicken

Who is this “we” white man?

My ancestors were here by then. I don’t have the luxury of claiming it wasn’t MY people who did it.

147 wrenchwench  Jul 9, 2015 4:55:19pm

re: #146 Blind Frog Belly White

My ancestors were here by then. I don’t have the luxury of claiming it wasn’t MY people who did it.

I did find that two ‘ranchos’ were granted to Native Americans by the Spanish.

148 funky chicken  Jul 9, 2015 4:56:43pm

I do believe Andrew Jackson doesn’t belong on the $20 and would have changed that instead of going after Hamilton, but nobody asked.

149 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 9, 2015 4:57:17pm
150 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Jul 9, 2015 4:58:00pm

re: #148 funky chicken

I do believe Andrew Jackson doesn’t belong on the $20 and would have changed that instead of going after Hamilton, but nobody asked.

andrew jackson is spinning in his grave for being on paper money of any kind

151 #FergusonFireside  Jul 9, 2015 4:59:33pm

re: #149 Backwoods_Sleuth

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152 Blind Frog Belly White  Jul 9, 2015 4:59:59pm

re: #148 funky chicken

I do believe Andrew Jackson doesn’t belong on the $20 and would have changed that instead of going after Hamilton, but nobody asked.

Yeah, that seemed an odd choice.

153 funky chicken  Jul 9, 2015 5:00:01pm

re: #146 Blind Frog Belly White

Most Americans have a genetic link to folks from way back, often from both sides of that conflict. It doesn’t make the actions of the Conquistadores any less vicious than those of the Mayflower descendants. Dead or subjugated looks the same no matter who did it to you.

154 Bubblehead II  Jul 9, 2015 5:00:49pm
155 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Jul 9, 2015 5:02:11pm

re: #148 funky chicken

I do believe Andrew Jackson doesn’t belong on the $20 and would have changed that instead of going after Hamilton, but nobody asked.

actually the real answer from the treasury dept is that it’s the $10 bill that is scheduled for update at this time

156 wrenchwench  Jul 9, 2015 5:02:50pm
157 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Jul 9, 2015 5:04:16pm

re: #156 wrenchwench

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the roadsign indicates “caution - spermatazoa on road”

158 wrenchwench  Jul 9, 2015 5:04:44pm

re: #149 Backwoods_Sleuth

159 Blind Frog Belly White  Jul 9, 2015 5:05:00pm

re: #153 funky chicken

Most Americans have a genetic link to folks from way back, often from both sides of that conflict. It doesn’t make the actions of the Conquistadores any less vicious than those of the Mayflower descendants. Dead or subjugated looks the same no matter who did it to you.

Dead is worse than subjugated, IMO. Hell the conquistadores were probably way more vicious. But the folks who settled the USA were far more efficient at genocide.

160 goddamnedfrank  Jul 9, 2015 5:07:34pm

re: #92 William Lewis

Shrug. I saw far worse in the punk rock scene. Find me an innocent rocker and I’ll show you a dead rocker.

Do everyone a solid and do NOT share the “far worse” things you saw that caused you to shrug off the drugging and gang rape of a sixteen year old girl. In fact I’m just going to pretend that your account was hacked instead of dealing any further with how fucked up that comment was.

161 PhillyPretzel  Jul 9, 2015 5:12:26pm

OT I like the new font. Is this part of the improvements to the blog?

162 William Lewis  Jul 9, 2015 5:13:06pm

re: #160 goddamnedfrank

Do everyone a solid and do NOT share the “far worse” things you saw that caused you to shrug off the drugging and gang rape of a sixteen year old girl. In fact I’m just going to pretend that your account was hacked instead of dealing any further with how fucked up that comment was.

Yes, I know you’ve decided and therefore everyone must agree with you. Enjoy your moral high horse, GDF.

163 Charles Johnson  Jul 9, 2015 5:13:22pm
164 The Vicious Babushka  Jul 9, 2015 5:14:21pm

Now #tcot is whining that POTUS made a whole speech at the funeral of Rev. Pinckney in Charleston but didn’t even send a condolence to the funeral of the white girl in SF.

TAHT PRUVES HE IS TEH RACIST!!!!!!!

165 Blind Frog Belly White  Jul 9, 2015 5:14:40pm

re: #162 William Lewis

Yes, I know you’ve decided and therefore everyone must agree with you. Enjoy your moral high horse, GDF.

I think we all can reach our own conclusions, thanks. That comment was severely fucked up.

166 The Vicious Babushka  Jul 9, 2015 5:18:23pm

re: #163 Charles Johnson

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Ben Shapiro is totally going down CCJ Road. The only thing he hasn’t done yet is ask for money to doxx a crime victim.

167 William Lewis  Jul 9, 2015 5:19:02pm

re: #165 Blind Frog Belly White

I think we all can reach our own conclusions, thanks. That comment was severely fucked up.

It’s an article in Huffpo. I read it. I do not find it credible. I only wonder who’s real agenda (ie who’s looking to make money) is behind it.

168 PhillyPretzel  Jul 9, 2015 5:19:34pm

re: #166 The Vicious Babushka

Don’t give him any ideas. He might do it. ::: shudder :::

169 goddamnedfrank  Jul 9, 2015 5:19:52pm

Why yes, I do have a moral high horse when it comes to multiply sourced witness accounts of the gang rape of a minor and the ensuing career motivated cover up.

170 William Lewis  Jul 9, 2015 5:21:01pm

re: #169 goddamnedfrank

Why yes, I do have a moral high horse when it comes to multiply sourced witness accounts of the gang rape of a minor and the ensuing career motivated cover up.

And the now ensuing money motivated desire to bring it up? Presuming it ever actually happened?

171 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 9, 2015 5:21:23pm
172 EPR-radar  Jul 9, 2015 5:21:50pm

re: #167 William Lewis

It’s an article in Huffpo. I read it. I do not find it credible. I only wonder who’s real agenda (ie who’s looking to make money) is behind it.

Finding the Huffpo article incredible is not at all the same thing as dismissing, without apparent cause, a rape allegation as being insignificant.

This would be a stop digging moment.

173 SteveMcGaziBolaGate  Jul 9, 2015 5:22:02pm

re: #170 William Lewis

And the now ensuing money motivated desire to bring it up? Presuming it ever actually happened?

I noticed you went from “I’ve seen worse” to “I think it’s a hoax”

174 PhillyPretzel  Jul 9, 2015 5:22:05pm

re: #171 Backwoods_Sleuth

pissed off kitten. That is cute. A caption might be: You woke me up too early.

175 William Lewis  Jul 9, 2015 5:22:09pm

No, I’m not going to go over this further. You want to believe it, go ahead. But it smells worse than the recent Rolling Stone controversy to me.

176 SteveMcGaziBolaGate  Jul 9, 2015 5:23:07pm

re: #175 William Lewis

No, I’m not going to go over this further. You want to believe it, go ahead. But it smells worse than the recent Rolling Stone controversy to me.

So which is it? You either saw worse or you don’t believe it. (or both)

177 Bubblehead II  Jul 9, 2015 5:25:58pm

re: #160 goddamnedfrank

Do everyone a solid and do NOT share the “far worse” things you saw that caused you to shrug off the drugging and gang rape of a sixteen year old girl. In fact I’m just going to pretend that your account was hacked instead of dealing any further with how fucked up that comment was.

Why? If he saw a crime being committed, why didn’t he A. Intervene or B. report it to the police. From his post, rape and other things far worse are to be ignored if you are a member of a band.. This is not acceptable.

178 funky chicken  Jul 9, 2015 5:26:27pm

re: #32 goddamnedfrank

And her music sucks.

179 goddamnedfrank  Jul 9, 2015 5:27:20pm

re: #170 William Lewis

And the now ensuing money motivated desire to bring it up? Presuming it ever actually happened?

What money? The victim is a successful entertainment lawyer who has now come out as a victim after decades with no cause of legal action against her dead assailant. There are named witnesses to both the prelude to the attack and the attack itself. Witnesses who document Jett’s active steps to prevent the rape from coming to light. The bassist who replaced her recounts the band members repeatedly joking about it.

I don’t really care how cynical you are, because with the number of people who’s stories all line up it actually takes a conspiratorial mindset to instead believe this didn’t happen.

180 Bubblehead II  Jul 9, 2015 5:28:40pm

re: #167 William Lewis

It’s an article in Huffpo. I read it. I do not find it credible. I only wonder who’s real agenda (ie who’s looking to make money) is behind it.

Right. This after you post that you have seen worse in other bands. I think Charles might have some opinions about this.

181 bratwurst  Jul 9, 2015 5:29:38pm

I am as happy about Trump exposing the vituperative nature of the GOP base as anyone…but this “all Trump all the time” cable news format is making me ill.

182 Bubblehead II  Jul 9, 2015 5:30:27pm

re: #173 SteveMcGaziBolaGate

I noticed you went from “I’ve seen worse” to “I think it’s a hoax”

Noticed that myself.

183 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 9, 2015 5:31:30pm

And there are still people who wonder why women don’t report rapes.

sigh

184 Jenner7  Jul 9, 2015 5:32:34pm
185 EPR-radar  Jul 9, 2015 5:32:53pm

re: #182 Bubblehead II

Noticed that myself.

I’ve personally seen worse things than several things I don’t believe happened just today.

However, I can’t really expect anyone else to find this comparison to be meaningful.

186 RadicalModerate  Jul 9, 2015 5:33:15pm

re: #92 William Lewis

Shrug. I saw far worse in the punk rock scene. Find me an innocent rocker and I’ll show you a dead rocker.

First of all, there is no excuse for someone raping a minor who was drugged so she could offer no resistance.

Additionally, there was a significant portion of the punk rock scene in the US who did not engage in the hard partying lifestyle, including a few who neither drank alcohol or were drug users - probably the most famous example is Henry Rollins.

187 aagcobb  Jul 9, 2015 5:34:11pm

re: #181 bratwurst

I am as happy about Trump exposing the vituperative nature of the GOP base as anyone…but this “all Trump all the time” cable news format is making me ill.

Not me, I can’t get enough of it. I want a 24 hour Trump News Channel!

188 Jenner7  Jul 9, 2015 5:35:59pm

Really??

189 goddamnedfrank  Jul 9, 2015 5:36:38pm

re: #183 Backwoods_Sleuth

Right, and let’s just pretend that the women who accused Cosby weren’t just vindicated in epic fashion after decades of being called liars. Let’s also pretend that the Rolling Stone Jackie story is at all relevant when her friends actually were not interviewed in that article, and when they finally were did not back up her version of events.

I feel a little bit sick to my stomach right now.

190 Eric The Fruit Bat  Jul 9, 2015 5:41:18pm

re: #189 goddamnedfrank

“Only the little people do jail time.”
—United States Department of Justice Sentencing Guidelines

191 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Jul 9, 2015 5:41:49pm

in the other blog we are mooting how likely it will be that trump is the gop nominee and what would happen then

192 klys (maker of Silmarils)  Jul 9, 2015 5:42:03pm

re: #91 #FergusonFireside

This is the best argument to get a bean bag ever.

193 Amory Blaine  Jul 9, 2015 5:48:56pm

Waukesha woman accused of hit and run, claimed ‘ISIS was coming’
“Waukesha resident Darlene Spears was allegedly so afraid of an imaginary ISIS attack in the city that she commandeered a neighbor’s truck and then crashed it into him.

Spears, 45, was charged June 30 in Waukesha County Circuit Court with second-degree recklessly endangering safety, operating a motor vehicle without the owner’s consent and hit and run resulting in personal injury.

A criminal complaint says police found out about the incident while responding to a report of a car accident involving an injury in the 1200-block of Fleetfoot Drive.

There they found and spoke to Mark Menting, who as a result of the accident had one broken finger on his right hand and sustained injuries to both of his legs and his right arm. Menting’s truck was parked on the lawn in front an apartment building, according to the complaint.”

194 Irving  Jul 9, 2015 5:49:21pm

re: #41 The War TARDIS

Please please please let Maisie Williams be Susan. It would so damn incredible.

195 freetoken  Jul 9, 2015 5:49:58pm

I see that criminally negligent and exploitative father Jim Bob Duggar has found a bird of the same feather:

Look who’s loose now

Duggar and Hovind - a match made in heaven, no doubt.

196 EPR-radar  Jul 9, 2015 5:50:16pm

re: #191 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸

in the other blog we are mooting how likely it will be that trump is the gop nominee and what would happen then

IMO, the biggest single hurdle for Trump getting the GOP nomination is providing the financial disclosures. If he does that, I think he’d have a good shot at getting the nomination (at least 50%).

In the general, Trump should lose, but the electoral vote margin would be disappointingly small.

197 aagcobb  Jul 9, 2015 5:50:20pm

re: #191 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸

in the other blog we are mooting how likely it will be that trump is the gop nominee and what would happen then

Paraphrasing Barney Frank, I haven’t lived a good enough life to deserve Donald Trump being the GOP nominee.

198 ObserverArt  Jul 9, 2015 5:50:25pm

re: #183 Backwoods_Sleuth

And there are still people who wonder why women don’t report rapes.

sigh

I remember the 70s all too well. I remember the drugs of the 70s all too well too. I knew dudes that ‘talked’ about taking advantage of someone that was ‘partying’ with them. It was all passed off as fun.

It was a bad time that way, and I bet this happened to thousands of women. Like you say people wonder why a woman doesn’t report a rape. Add in the confusion caused by some damn powerful drugs and it made even more excuses available and doubts at the same time. Also the excuse of guys will be guys and blended together and I can see a woman falling into her own form of denial…as a sad form of protection from the world and her own feelings.

I hope that type of ‘it was the times’ thinking isn’t glossing over the fact that it was wrong no matter what.

I found that story chilling because I lived some of that hanging around bands back in those very days. I’ve been in those rooms and houses, bars, clubs and practice rooms and around the sleazy A&R managers looking for bands for the recording dudes. A lot of it was sleaze.

199 freetoken  Jul 9, 2015 5:53:53pm

Money and magical thinking - another match made in heaven:

Templeton Foundation awards $3.4 million for study of creation

The Templeton Religion Trust has awarded a $3.4 million grant to Trinity International University in Deerfield, Ill., to examine and develop the Christian doctrine of creation within evangelical theology. The grant is the largest of its kind in Trinity’s 118 year history.

The three-year study will focus on a different theme each year: reading Genesis in an age of science; affirming the doctrine of creation in an age of science; and reclaiming theological anthropology in an age of science.

Rather than defend against godless explanations of origins, the researchers will concentrate on highlighting biblical truth.

“Instead of adopting a defensive posture, this project works hard to lay out what Scripture and the rich theological heritage of the church contribute to our understanding of creation,” D.A. Carson, research professor of New Testament, said in a statement.

[…]

200 psddluva4evah  Jul 9, 2015 5:55:24pm

My final 2 cents on the whole “Southern Heritage” defense of the Confed flag. (well, final words today…lol)

I was born and raised in the South. My mother was born and raised in the South. My mother’s mother was born and raised in the South. My mother’s mother’s mother was born and raised in the South (after being brought here from Africa, like alot of Black folk, I am 2 generations removed from sharecroppers and slavery). The same can be said for my father, his father, his father’s father…..you see where I’m going with this.

I love my city NOLA. I love the Southern heritage of NOLA and I’ve NEVER been embarassed to be from the South.

Being a native Southerner is my HERITAGE, and I and I’d bet a majority of the Black folk in the South, DO NOT consider the Confed flag as representin’ our heritage.

I’ve lived in the South and my family has lived in the South as long as a majority of the White Southerners who like to defend the flag as part of their “Southern Heritage”.

Now what makes their “heritage” more important than mine. What is it about “my Southern heritage” that makes it less symbolic of the Southern heritage than theirs?

I have idea, and I’m sure you guys do to!

201 EPR-radar  Jul 9, 2015 5:55:39pm

re: #188 Jenner7

This is pathetic. If terrorism is to have any coherent meaning at all (other than things the authorities particularly don’t like to see), then the Charleston murders surely qualify.

Perhaps the trouble is that this admission would get too close to one of the two great unmentionables of US politics, i.e., that a successful campaign of terrorism was waged in the US South after the civil war to undo reconstruction and implement Jim Crow.

202 Eric The Fruit Bat  Jul 9, 2015 5:56:12pm

re: #195 freetoken

Looks like Dr. Dino managed to dodge some of the more serious charges against him in his last go-around with the Feds.

203 #FergusonFireside  Jul 9, 2015 5:57:24pm

re: #198 ObserverArt

I remember the 70s all too well. I remember the drugs of the 70s all too well too. I knew dudes that ‘talked’ about taking advantage of someone that was ‘partying’ with them. It was all passed off as fun.

It was a bad time that way, and I bet this happened to thousands of women. Like you say people wonder why a woman doesn’t report a rape. Add in the confusion caused by some damn powerful drugs and it made even more excuses available and doubts at the same time. Also the excuse of guys will be guys and blended together and I can see a woman falling into her own form of denial…as a sad form of protection from the world and her own feelings.

I hope that type of ‘it was the times’ thinking isn’t glossing over the fact that it was wrong no matter what.

I found that story chilling because I lived some of that hanging around bands back in those very days. I’ve been in those rooms and houses, bars, clubs and practice rooms and around the sleazy A&R managers looking for bands for the recording dudes. A lot of it was sleaze.

Yes. It was a bad time.

What is sad though is that men have been doing this for so long, and continue to do it. What is in the mindset to not think yourself a monster? Or maybe they do.

204 The Vicious Babushka  Jul 9, 2015 5:58:16pm

Ben is tag-teaming with John Nolte.

205 jaunte  Jul 9, 2015 6:00:18pm

re: #204 The Vicious Babushka

Not directly related but really sort of related:

206 The War TARDIS  Jul 9, 2015 6:00:41pm

re: #201 EPR-radar

I wonder if FBI history and internal politics have anything to do with this.

Remember how they treated Martin Luther King. I would wonder what the culture, so to speak, of the FBI is.

They simply may be unable to judge actions by White Conservatives as terrorism.

207 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 9, 2015 6:02:57pm

re: #203 #FergusonFireside

Yes. It was a bad time.

What is sad though is that men have been doing this for so long, and continue to do it. What is in the mindset to not think yourself a monster? Or maybe they do.

Or, as is often common, finally grudgingly admitting a rape may have happen but then blaming the victim for “being there in the first place”, “how she was dressed”, “drinking” (*gasp!*), and on and on.

208 freetoken  Jul 9, 2015 6:03:43pm

re: #205 jaunte

The past two days I went out shopping and drove - a rarity for me - and so turned on the radio (which I don’t do usually… probably because I don’t have a radio anymore, I use the internet).

More and more I am struck at how vile “talk radio” is. Really poisonous creatures yapping on about this or that outrage, and even more particularly picking out groups and defining them derogatorily.

These are those with whom Nolte and Shapiro are competing, for the hate-marks.

209 Belafon  Jul 9, 2015 6:05:17pm

re: #204 The Vicious Babushka

A list of things we should stop forcing people to do:
Drive the speed limit
Stay on the right side of the road
Follow contracts
Pay for products and services
Not kill the person causing them stress.

210 #FergusonFireside  Jul 9, 2015 6:06:21pm

re: #207 Backwoods_Sleuth

Or, as is often common, finally grudgingly admitting a rape may have happen but then blaming the victim for “being there in the first place”, “how she was dressed”, “drinking” (*gasp!*), and on and on.

Hay, I’ve got some 714’s. Try one.

211 #FergusonFireside  Jul 9, 2015 6:07:43pm
212 allegro  Jul 9, 2015 6:07:47pm

re: #207 Backwoods_Sleuth

Or, as is often common, finally grudgingly admitting a rape may have happen but then blaming the victim for “being there in the first place”, “how she was dressed”, “drinking” (*gasp!*), and on and on.

Even more common, I think, for the person who most painfully believes this herself, the rape victim. In my college days it was almost easier to find a young woman who had not experienced this. We just were too busy blaming ourselves to call it what it was.

213 dholmes32  Jul 9, 2015 6:08:17pm

re: #73 Kragar

Not true. I will never forget when a cat brought in the bottom half of a squirrel and left it in my laundry basket. My shrieks (and this was on Easter morning) would have raised the dead.

214 Charles Johnson  Jul 9, 2015 6:08:36pm

re: #161 PhillyPretzel

OT I like the new font. Is this part of the improvements to the blog?

Yes, been working on lots of things behind the scenes and the new font is one.

I’m kind of astounded that everyone seems to like the new font. Usually people get kinda cranky when I change fonts. I’ll take that as a good sign. :)

215 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 9, 2015 6:09:03pm

re: #213 dholmes32

Not true. I will never forget when a cat brought in the bottom half of a squirrel and left it in my laundry basket. My shrieks (and this was on Easter morning) would have raised the dead.

SO IT WAS YOU!!!!!

216 Skip Intro  Jul 9, 2015 6:09:48pm

Ever since Donald Trump decided to be the King Asshole of the GOP things just keep getting better.

Massive El Niño growing in California, say models

SACRAMENTO — There is growing evidence California could see an even stronger El Niño event this winter than the 1997 one that caused massive flooding across Northern California.

usatoday.com

…

217 freetoken  Jul 9, 2015 6:10:01pm

Speaking of the hate business, reactionary religious right personality Chuck Baldwin declares:

THE CONFEDERATE FLAG NEEDS TO BE RAISED, NOT LOWERED

[…]

In 1864, Confederate General Patrick Cleburne warned his fellow southerners of the historical consequences should the South lose their war for independence. He was truly a prophet. He said if the South lost, “It means that the history of this heroic struggle will be written by the enemy. That our youth will be trained by Northern school teachers; will learn from Northern school books their version of the war; will be impressed by all of the influences of History and Education to regard our gallant debt as traitors and our maimed veterans as fit subjects for derision.” No truer words were ever spoken.

History revisionists flooded America’s public schools with Northern propaganda about the people who attempted to secede from the United States, characterizing them as racists, extremists, radicals, hatemongers, traitors, etc. You know, the same way that people in our federal government and news media attempt to characterize Christians, patriots, war veterans, constitutionalists, et al. today.

[…]

And on and on with more anti-Lincoln derp and lost cause noise.

It’s amazing, but Baldwin has plenty of followers. Lot of people think like him. Not the majority, fortunately, but enough to cause trouble.

This is the end result of the addiction to fantasy Baldwin and his ilk suffer. They just can’t bring themselves into the modern world.

218 The Vicious Babushka  Jul 9, 2015 6:10:29pm

STUPIDEST MEME OF THE DAY==>
How are these things even remotely similar?

219 funky chicken  Jul 9, 2015 6:11:59pm

re: #196 EPR-radar

IMO, the biggest single hurdle for Trump getting the GOP nomination is providing the financial disclosures. If he does that, I think he’d have a good shot at getting the nomination (at least 50%).

In the general, Trump should lose, but the electoral vote margin would be disappointingly small.

Bernie Sanders beating Donald Trump would be awesome enough to make the economic destruction of the last 30 years almost worth it.

220 Charles Johnson  Jul 9, 2015 6:13:39pm

I’ll never forget the time my cat brought a gigantic rat into the house in the middle of the night. I woke up to this ungodly hissing and yowling, went into the room it was coming from and there was a huge rat, cornered, standing on its hind legs and making weird sounds at the cat who was menacing it and making even weirder sounds.

I ran and grabbed a waste basket and slammed it down over the rat, then slid a board under it, picked it up, and tossed the whole struggling mess outside.

I think that was the last time we let that cat go outside at night.

221 klys (maker of Silmarils)  Jul 9, 2015 6:13:42pm

re: #212 allegro

Even more common, I think, for the person who most painfully believes this herself, the rape victim. In my college days it was almost easier to find a young woman who had not experienced this. We just were too busy blaming ourselves to call it what it was.

Our culture likes to encourage that, because otherwise it would have to deal with this issue.

It’s the same attitude that lets people shrug off rape because someone somewhere may have seen something worse.

222 Belafon  Jul 9, 2015 6:14:30pm

re: #218 The Vicious Babushka

I’m curious what immigration laws they think cities are ignoring with the manpower and budgets most of them have. They also should look at why businesses keep hiring illegal immigrants.

223 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Jul 9, 2015 6:15:24pm

re: #220 Charles Johnson

I’ll never forget the time my cat brought a gigantic rat into the house in the middle of the night. I woke up to this ungodly hissing and yowling, went into the room it was coming from and there was a huge rat, cornered, standing on its hind legs and making weird sounds at the cat who was menacing it and making even weirder sounds.

I ran and grabbed a waste basket and slammed it down over the rat, then slid a board under it, picked it up, and tossed the whole struggling mess outside.

I think that was the last time we let that cat go outside at night.

ignatz brings giant rats to the deck but by that time they are ded ded ded

224 EPR-radar  Jul 9, 2015 6:15:36pm

re: #206 The War TARDIS

I wonder if FBI history and internal politics have anything to do with this.

Remember how they treated Martin Luther King. I would wonder what the culture, so to speak, of the FBI is.

They simply may be unable to judge actions by White Conservatives as terrorism.

Your question about the FBI culture is a good one. I’m assuming that things have gotten substantially better in the FBI since the Hoover days (which were awful), but biases in law enforcement are dangerous in practice and very difficult to weed out, even assuming leadership is committed to this task.

On paper (e.g., Homeland Security reports) the threat of domestic extremism in the US is being taken seriously, but I still suspect that threats from the left are much more seriously investigated than comparable or worse threats from the right. In fact I think there’s a nontrivial chance law enforcement gets blindsided by a right wing extremist attack in the next few years because of this.

225 funky chicken  Jul 9, 2015 6:16:58pm

re: #212 allegro

Even more common, I think, for the person who most painfully believes this herself, the rape victim. In my college days it was almost easier to find a young woman who had not experienced this. We just were too busy blaming ourselves to call it what it was.

Seconded. The Jackie Fuchs story is sad but I feel worse for the young woman who didn’t have the family to rescue her from that creep’s abuse. I’m glad Ms Fuchs is now speaking out, and glad all the Cosby victims get to see him humbled. I hope fewer young people will be victimized by the rich and powerful, but can’t say I believe much will change. Call me pessimistic.

Hopefully Ms Fuchs will use her degree and proximity to the entertainment industry to become a powerful advocate for change.

226 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Jul 9, 2015 6:17:11pm

re: #218 The Vicious Babushka

STUPIDEST MEME OF THE DAY==>
How are these things even remotely similar?

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why is it ok for christians to completely ignore jesus on divorce but we have to totally respect their right to pitch a hissy fit if they have to be nice to gay people?

227 EPR-radar  Jul 9, 2015 6:17:12pm

re: #213 dholmes32

Not true. I will never forget when a cat brought in the bottom half of a squirrel and left it in my laundry basket. My shrieks (and this was on Easter morning) would have raised the dead.

There’s no better morning for waking the dead than Easter morning.

228 freetoken  Jul 9, 2015 6:17:29pm

Gov. Bobby Jindal plans Indianola stop

Louisiana governor and presidential candidate Bobby Jindal will meet with voters in Indianola on Saturday, July 18.

Jindal will be at the First Assembly of God Church - 1700 W. 2nd Ave, Indianola - from 8:30 a.m. to 10 a.m.

[…]

According to the Des Moines Register’s Iowa Caucuses Candidate Tracker, Jindal will be one of nine Republicans visiting Iowa to speak at the Family Leadership Summit in Ames on the 18th.

Hmmm… I wonder if Bobby will do an exorcism while at the AoG gathering?

Anyway, this “Family Leadership Summit” ought to be quite the fountain of derpy quotables.

229 Charles Johnson  Jul 9, 2015 6:20:08pm
230 #FergusonFireside  Jul 9, 2015 6:21:03pm

re: #229 Charles Johnson

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Fuck, they need to let her take it down again.

231 Belafon  Jul 9, 2015 6:21:18pm

re: #220 Charles Johnson

I can’t find the diary, but John Cole told the story of Tunch catching and swallowing a bird. Tunch had gotten on the bed, which woke John, and then threw up the bird. John handled it about as well as I would have: He threw up himself.

232 EPR-radar  Jul 9, 2015 6:21:21pm

re: #222 Belafon

I’m curious what immigration laws they think cities are ignoring with the manpower and budgets most of them have. They also should look at why businesses keep hiring illegal immigrants.

I have a simple rule for immigration policy discussions. Anyone who pitches a plan that does not include real employer sanctions is not serious and can be ignored. This includes at least the ‘build the damn wall’ contingent of the GOP.

233 funky chicken  Jul 9, 2015 6:22:20pm

re: #218 The Vicious Babushka

STUPIDEST MEME OF THE DAY==>
How are these things even remotely similar?

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They are both wrong? The law is the law. I support gay marriage and I support deportation of illegal residents who break criminal laws.San Francisco screwed the pooch IMHO.

234 The War TARDIS  Jul 9, 2015 6:23:14pm

re: #224 EPR-radar

I recall see an article that, before 9/11, an ecoterrorist group was declared to be the most dangerous terrorist threat in the US.

Despite the fact that, ecoterrorism usually is arson or destruction of Property. Unless you are talking about the Sea Shepard Society attacking the ships of the Faroe Islands during their annual hunting of Pilot Whales, they really aren’t a threat.

Should note, that the hunting of Whales in the Faroes has been done in a sustainable manner, and the Faroes are too hostile and remote for major large scale agriculture. So, I would like to see the Sea Shepard Society get their butt whupped in this one narrow case.

235 Charles Johnson  Jul 9, 2015 6:24:03pm
236 freetoken  Jul 9, 2015 6:24:26pm

re: #233 funky chicken

“Sanctuary cities” are mostly about local politics, with city board members vying for very specific groups of people to vote them back in office.

I know people think there is some great moral message to be sent about offering “sanctuary” but to me it’s just a way to avoid the real problem, which is to address why so many people come here outside of the stipulations laid down in immigration laws.

237 funky chicken  Jul 9, 2015 6:24:29pm

re: #226 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸

why is it ok for christians to completely ignore jesus on divorce but we have to totally respect their right to pitch a hissy fit if they have to be nice to gay people?

My observant Christian husband agrees with you. I’m not religious but it is fun to watch him ask his church friends that exact question.

238 klys (maker of Silmarils)  Jul 9, 2015 6:24:58pm

re: #216 Skip Intro

I have seen rumblings from the weather tweeps I follow along those lines.

Starting to think about what to do to prep the house for actually getting rain this year (and also for selling, at some point in the not-too-distant future).

239 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Jul 9, 2015 6:25:05pm

re: #204 The Vicious Babushka

If your freedom requires forcing others to do something, you’re confusing tyranny with freedom.

im deeply unhappy you are being forced to live in a society with laws - im sure god never meant for you to be compelled by his commandments or anything, because that would mean religion is tyranny

240 klys (maker of Silmarils)  Jul 9, 2015 6:26:34pm
241 psddluva4evah  Jul 9, 2015 6:26:45pm

Ha!

Consider this a recap video of the match today between Serena Williams and Maria Sharpova…lol.

242 freetoken  Jul 9, 2015 6:27:00pm

I’m all for immigration, even large immigration. It’d just be too hypocritical of me not too. Grandpa came over on the boat, great grandparents came over on boats.

The US is a nation of people who have fled elsewhere. It’s who we are.

Having said that, I think there is something to be said for actively enforcing limits and requirements (like vaccinations, no violent felons, etc.)

243 funky chicken  Jul 9, 2015 6:27:30pm

re: #236 freetoken

They come here because they are poor and people will hire them. I’m much more offended by the folks who hire them than I am by the immigrants.

244 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Jul 9, 2015 6:27:55pm

re: #237 funky chicken

My observant Christian husband agrees with you. I’m not religious but it is fun to watch him ask his church friends that exact question.

heh

there’s also the one about who is it who gets to decide which passages in the old testament are the superseded ‘old covenant’, and which ones still are exceptions to that and still in force

245 unproven innocence  Jul 9, 2015 6:30:58pm

re: #216 Skip Intro

Ever since Donald Trump decided to be the King Asshole of the GOP things just keep getting better.

Massive El Niño growing in California, say models

usatoday.com

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Chris Farley doesn’t look like a model. /

246 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 9, 2015 6:31:55pm
247 WhatEVs  Jul 9, 2015 6:32:30pm

re: #196 EPR-radar

IMO, the biggest single hurdle for Trump getting the GOP nomination is providing the financial disclosures. If he does that, I think he’d have a good shot at getting the nomination (at least 50%).

In the general, Trump should lose, but the electoral vote margin would be disappointingly small.

Let’s not forget celebrity lovers who don’t vote now. I wouldn’t put it past his getting the celeb vote. The People and US Weekly crowd. (Shudder)

248 Belafon  Jul 9, 2015 6:32:33pm

re: #233 funky chicken

They are both wrong? The law is the law. I support gay marriage and I support deportation of illegal residents who break criminal laws. San Francisco screwed the pooch IMHO.

They have already broken a law - crossing into the country illegally - which is enough for some.

249 funky chicken  Jul 9, 2015 6:33:43pm

re: #204 The Vicious Babushka

My husband recently retired from the military. If these clowns don’t think cops and soldiers are forced to do things they don’t want to do to ensure their precious freedom they are, well, idiots.

Of course, they are idiots.

250 #FergusonFireside  Jul 9, 2015 6:34:35pm

re: #247 WhatEVs

Let’s not forget celebrity lovers who don’t vote now. I wouldn’t put it past his getting the celeb vote. The People and US Weekly crowd. (Shudder)

251 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Jul 9, 2015 6:35:13pm

re: #233 funky chicken

They are both wrong? The law is the law. I support gay marriage and I support deportation of illegal residents who break criminal laws.San Francisco screwed the pooch IMHO.

hillary already came out against the sf policy

252 EPR-radar  Jul 9, 2015 6:35:21pm

re: #243 funky chicken

They come here because they are poor and people will hire them. I’m much more offended by the folks who hire them than I am by the immigrants.

US immigration policy actually makes perfect sense, once one realizes that the whole point is to reduce cost in the US labor market as much as possible.

Thus we have:

1) No real employer sanctions.

2) The deliberate creation of a large class of people with legal status issues who can be exploited more effectively precisely because of these status issues.

3) Variable and capricious enforcement of existing law, usually vs. the immigrants, as a fig leaf to cover up the rest of this mess.

253 #FergusonFireside  Jul 9, 2015 6:35:30pm

sorry

254 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 9, 2015 6:35:55pm
255 psddluva4evah  Jul 9, 2015 6:37:40pm

And it begins…

Apple Vacations offering Cuban Tours from Miami

256 jaunte  Jul 9, 2015 6:38:46pm

re: #252 EPR-radar

2) The deliberate creation of a large class of people with legal status issues who can be exploited more effectively precisely because of these status issues.

You probably remember the Texas law back in 2011 that exempted employers of yard service workers and maids from a $10,000 fine if they were discovered to have hired undocumented immigrants. Pure constituent service.

257 funky chicken  Jul 9, 2015 6:39:45pm

re: #242 freetoken

The government should care about the public health and welfare of our citizens. Somehow believing that has made me a socialist. Bernie 2016!

I still don’t get how that happened.

258 allegro  Jul 9, 2015 6:41:40pm

re: #249 funky chicken

My husband recently retired from the military. If these clowns don’t think cops and soldiers are forced to do things they don’t want to do to ensure their precious freedom they are, well, idiots.

Of course, they are idiots.

I find it more upsetting to know that cops and soldiers are made to do things they don’t want to do to pad another CEO’s obscenely opulent nest. I haven’t seen our freedoms threatened since WWII.

259 WhatEVs  Jul 9, 2015 6:43:37pm

re: #250 #FergusonFireside

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If anything deserved a Spoiler or Private (or Gross) tag, that was it. She’s a vile creature.

260 Jayleia  Jul 9, 2015 6:45:32pm

re: #259 WhatEVs

EDIT: Shouldn’t have said that

261 WhatEVs  Jul 9, 2015 6:46:31pm

re: #260 Jayleia

Shrug. I’ve seen worse

Hmm…maybe I should have phrased that differently?

I just really, really, really dislike her.

262 EPR-radar  Jul 9, 2015 6:47:28pm

re: #258 allegro

I find it more upsetting to know that cops and soldiers are made to do things they don’t want to do to pad another CEO’s obscenely opulent nest. I haven’t seen our freedoms threatened since WWII.

Freedom for white people in the US has not been threatened since WWII. The story for non-whites is more complicated than that (significant progress was made embarrassing recently, and these gains are under present threat).

Of course, the only kind of freedom conservative blowhards care about is the freedom of white people (especially wealthy Christian men), especially when such ‘freedom’ is expressed by oppressing others.

263 funky chicken  Jul 9, 2015 6:47:39pm

re: #258 allegro

I find it more upsetting to know that cops and soldiers are made to do things they don’t want to do to pad another CEO’s obscenely opulent nest. I haven’t seen our freedoms threatened since WWII.

I enjoy the freedom to not get robbed at the ATM or as I’m leaving the grocery store. Cops interact with truly unpleasant people to allow me to do that, and most cops don’t enjoy the experience. Most military folks aren’t anxious to bring harm to ISIS types. Are they “forced” to do those jobs? I guess not, but I am grateful they do it so I don’t have to.

So cry me a river for the county clerk who doesn’t want to preside over gay marriage ceremonies.

I sound older than I am, so time to have a nice glass of wine lol.

264 The War TARDIS  Jul 9, 2015 6:48:02pm

re: #194 Irving

Could be Jenny too.

“What took you so long, old man?”

Hmm, that could be a few characters. Susan. Any other children or Grand-Children of the Doctor. Romana too. Definitely not the Rani.

Who else, aside from Clara, would have the cheekiness to call the Doctor, “Old Man”?

Knowing how a far number of people refer to their fathers or other living male ancestors as “Old Man,” I want to say this is a descendant of the Doctor’s. So, Susan, Jenny, or any number of unseen children and grandchildren. That seems like a safe bet. We already saw the Doctor as a Child.

265 Skip Intro  Jul 9, 2015 6:48:03pm

re: #238 klys (maker of Silmarils)

I finally got around to fixing my roof, just in case.

266 klys (maker of Silmarils)  Jul 9, 2015 6:49:02pm

re: #265 Skip Intro

I finally got around to fixing my roof, just in case.

Always a good call.

I’m thinking new garage door, this year. Relatively small investment with large effect on curb appeal.

267 Chan Kobun  Jul 9, 2015 6:53:16pm

re: #170 William Lewis

And the now ensuing money motivated desire to bring it up? Presuming it ever actually happened?

Video

268 The Vicious Babushka  Jul 9, 2015 6:53:25pm

re: #233 funky chicken

They are both wrong? The law is the law. I support gay marriage and I support deportation of illegal residents who break criminal laws.San Francisco screwed the pooch IMHO.

Like how can that even be enforced?

Are we supposed to set up checkpoints at every road that enters city limits (or why not just have one great big gate that opens at sunrise & closes at sundown?) where everyone has to wait in line for a license to enter the city.

That would make my commute suck both ways.

269 Lidane  Jul 9, 2015 6:53:49pm

OUTRAGE!

“We have uniform standards that we apply to our best seller list, which includes an analysis of book sales that goes beyond simply the number of books sold,” a Times spokesperson told Politico’s Dylan Byers. “This book didn’t meet that standard this week.” When asked about the standard, the spokesman cryptically that the Times analyzes “patterns of sales.”

Translation: Buying your own book through your Super PAC doesn’t translate to landing on the NYT Bestsellers List.

Of course, Drudge has his sirens going and Breitbart and the Blaze are derping about this. No, I’m not linking to them.

270 The War TARDIS  Jul 9, 2015 6:55:52pm

Also, come September 1st, Clara becomes the longest lasting companion in Doctor Who history based from first to last appearance. Tegan holds it for the moment, and she was on the show for 3 days short of 3 years.

Also, during this season, she will become the longest lasting NuWho companion by screen time, and will become 4th longest in all of Doctor Who history, only behind Jo Grant, Sarah Jane Smith, and Jamie McCrimmon.

If she appears in the Christmas Special, she passes Jo. And Capaldi wants her to stay for Series 10. If she does, she becomes the 2nd longest lasting companion in Doctor Who history, and longest lasting women.

Clara cannot pass the record of Jamie McCrimmon. The way the show is filmed has changed too much, and there is a full 10 hour gap between him and second place Sarah Jane Smith.

271 FormerDirtDart  Jul 9, 2015 6:57:31pm
272 ObserverArt  Jul 9, 2015 7:09:41pm

Considering the rape story further.

I can’t speak for why guys do what some guys do as far as to force themselves on a woman. It is not in my makeup.

I do know it is not something they really talk about in any meaningful manner. At least not in my experience. I don’t remember any discussion on how a guy plans it all out, etc. I suspect there is some inner hate going on if a guy does take advantage, and I doubt it is ever spoken about after the fact.

It would be like most crimes. No one is going to admit it, it was a situation and they worked within that situation and took advantage when it came. Later they justify it in their minds and it goes into the denial bank locked away, maybe even as a memory that it never happened.

The other side of the story that wasn’t really covered is why the other band members passed it all off. In a way were they thinking in a similar manner as the rapist or the others excusing it?

Do they think it is all part of making it in the business, part of the territory and the victim isn’t able to take care of herself or is totally naive.

Call it the ‘casting couch’ and there is an immediate recognition that there is career gain if one is willing. How does that fit into the overall dynamic and are some women just as prone to excuse it in the same way as some of the guy?. Was that what Joan Jett and Cherie Currie were thinking?

And does that dynamic make it tougher on the victims making them even more reluctant to make the charge? They can’t even count on some of the women around them to understand and help.

Rape may be a crime that we have to totally rethink. In a way it is almost like the victim is guilty and has to prove the innocence when it should almost be the accused has the burden of proving innocence. And yes, I know that isn’t going to happen. However rape seems to be one of, if not the hardest crime to bring charges and to prove.

That is why it really sad to see it excused in any manner. Even an allegation has an element of seriousness surrounding it. Or, it should.

273 TedStriker  Jul 9, 2015 10:05:53pm

re: #92 William Lewis

re: #162 William Lewis

What the ever-living fuck is wrong with you?

274 William of Orange  Jul 10, 2015 3:12:32am

Tech question.

Somehow I don’t get sound on the Explorer when I want to play media on my tablet. I do get sound when watching media in the Chrome app. Where is the setting for sound?


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