Donald Trump, "The Most Militaristic Person in the Room," Avoided Military Service Himself

Donald Trump, “The Most Militaristic Person in the Room,” Avoided Military Service Himself

A dangerous hypocrite

PoliticsJuly 2015 • Views: 73,799

In his nutball speeches yesterday in Las Vegas and Phoenix, Donald Trump made a big point of boasting about how “militaristic” he is, and how tough he’d be with ISIS.

Trump: “I am the most militaristic person in this room.”

— Charles Johnson (@Green_Footballs) July 11, 2015

Trump: “ISIS, believe me, they will be in such trouble.”

— Charles Johnson (@Green_Footballs) July 11, 2015

Trump: “ISIS, believe me, I would take them out so fast.” [Audience of cretins cheers wildly.]

— Charles Johnson (@Green_Footballs) July 11, 2015

So this might be a good time to remind everyone that when it came time for Trump himself to serve in the military during the Vietnam War, he went all out — with deferments, that is. The Smoking Gun investigated in 2011:

However, Selective Service records reveal that Trump, the fortunate son of a multimillionaire real estate baron, took repeated steps to avoid serving in Vietnam.

By the time his number (356) was drawn during the December 1, 1969 draft lottery, Trump had already received four student deferments and a medical deferment, according to military records on file with the National Archives and Records Administration. An extract of Trump’s Selective Classification record, seen here, was provided in response to a TSG records request.

In fact, the December 1969 draft lottery occurred about 18 months after Trump graduated from the University of Pennsylvania, where he studied business at the Wharton School. So, while claiming that he would “never forget” being at Wharton watching the draft numbers being drawn, the 64-year-old Trump seems to have misremembered, as candidates are fond of saying.

Trump obtained his first two Class 2-S student deferments in June 1964 and December 1965, when he was student at Fordham University in the Bronx. He was briefly reclassified as 1-A—or “available for military service”—in late-November 1966, but that classification was switched back to 2-S three weeks later.

Another 2-S deferment is dated January 16, 1968, just months before his graduation from UPenn (to which he transferred following his sophomore year at Fordham).

Following his UPenn graduation, Trump—no longer qualified for a 2-S deferment—was again briefly classified as available for service on July 9. However, three months later, on October 15, his classification was switched to 1-Y, which was given to men deemed qualified for military service “only in time of national emergency.”

The 1-Y classification came a month after Trump underwent an “Armed Forces Physical Examination,” according to Selective Service records, which note the results of the exam as “DISQ.” While the military records do not further detail why Trump was granted the 1-Y deferment, a 1992 biography of the businessman by journalist Wayne Barrett reported that Trump received a medical deferment following the September 17, 1968 exam.

So once again we have a Republican politician who talks big and wouldn’t hesitate to send other people’s children into harm’s way at the drop of a hat, but when the chips were down for him personally he ran away like a coward and used his privilege to avoid serving in the military.

“The most militaristic person in this room,” as long as other people do the fighting.

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293 comments

JadeHelmCurious Jul 12, 2015 • 10:24:23am

BREAKING: Gomer Pyle’s comments on Trump’s military record.

darthstar Jul 12, 2015 • 10:24:51am

Oh, Trump, may his candidacy last long into next year. Please.

Great White Snark Jul 12, 2015 • 10:25:42am

Trump-Making Christie look good.
///

Lidane Jul 12, 2015 • 10:26:05am

“The most militaristic person in this room,” as long as it’s other people doing the fighting.

In other words, he’s a Republican.

PhillyPretzel Jul 12, 2015 • 10:28:24am

I think GOP stands for Guaranteed Offensive Person.

Jenner7 Jul 12, 2015 • 10:32:36am

Convention Center officials in Phoenix don't want to admit that they broke the fire code by allowing 12-15,000 people in 4,000 code room.

— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) July 12, 2015

Ha!

Charles Johnson Jul 12, 2015 • 10:35:26am

My favorite quote from Trump’s speech at “FreedomFest” (lol) in Las Vegas:

Trump: “For years you had Iran and Iraq, they go wing-wing, wong-wong BOOM!”

— Charles Johnson (@Green_Footballs) July 11, 2015

Dark_Falcon Jul 12, 2015 • 10:36:15am

re: #5 PhillyPretzel

I think GOP stands for Guaranteed Offensive Person.

I have relatives in elected office as Republicans, so I’ll thank you not to make such a blanket statement. Moreover, I’ll note that Lindsey Graham, who actually is a Republican office holder, called Trump out on his shit just this morning and we were discussing it on the previous thread.

Romantic Heretic Jul 12, 2015 • 10:36:27am

As Bill Mauldin noted, “The surest way to become a pacifist is to join the infantry.”

Only people who have never had to dive to the ground to avoid dying are anxious to go to war.

darthstar Jul 12, 2015 • 10:36:54am

@HumanityCritic Real men rock the NPR.

— Sean McCabe (@darthstar99) July 12, 2015

Jenner7 Jul 12, 2015 • 10:37:08am

re: #7 Charles Johnson

Is there video of that somewhere??

prairiefire Jul 12, 2015 • 10:38:01am

He looks like he’s trying to say “Fuuuudruckers” in the photo.

PhillyPretzel Jul 12, 2015 • 10:38:50am

re: #8 Dark_Falcon

I, too, am a Republican and I am very angry at how that Trump person is acting.

prairiefire Jul 12, 2015 • 10:39:09am

re: #10 darthstar

Dude, why do you all have beautiful Union Square all torn up? I know, it’s for a new Munni to China Town. Still, I was disappointed.

Amory Blaine Jul 12, 2015 • 10:40:09am

re: #8 Dark_Falcon

He’s so brave.

PhillyPretzel Jul 12, 2015 • 10:40:53am

re: #15 Amory Blaine

Yes. He is.

Dark_Falcon Jul 12, 2015 • 10:40:55am

re: #7 Charles Johnson

Charles, may I suggest adding this article to the top of the thread as an update? It’s a pretty good CNN takedown of Trump:

Military analysts: Donald Trump’s plan to bomb Iraq’s oil fields not a good one

A sample:

Trump also said that “there is no Iraq” because of longstanding Sunni vs. Shia divides in the country that have come to the fore amid ISIS’ advance.

Hertling said that’s just not true and that “there most definitely is an Iraq” despite political and ethnic divisions.

Hertling points out that he’s remained apolitical throughout his military career but said Trump’s comments are “just troubling.”

“You have to understand the issues a little bit better than just bombing things,” Hertling said. “This is very complex and there are hundreds of thousands of Iraqis who believe they do have a country.”

Bolding mine.

PhillyPretzel Jul 12, 2015 • 10:42:04am

re: #17 Dark_Falcon

D-F take back your darned up ding on my #13. Please.

No Depression Jul 12, 2015 • 10:45:20am

re: #5 PhillyPretzel

It might also stand for Grifting Old People.

Higgs Boson's Mate Jul 12, 2015 • 10:46:44am

re: #19 No Depression

It might also stand for Grifting Old People.

Gathering Our Pecunia

darthstar Jul 12, 2015 • 10:50:03am

re: #15 Amory Blaine

He’s so brave.

Lindsey Graham or DF? I feel sorry for him (LG) because he doesn’t get to bring his southern charm to the debate stage. Honestly, the GOP would be better served if they were to just put up a list of bi-weekly debates in towns around the country with 10 podiums and let it be first come, first served as far as getting a spot on the stage. Let the audience in, then release the candidates from the wings and the first ten onto the stage get to debate. Every three or four debates, remove one podium.

Air them all on C-SPAN. Let reddit/4chan, #TCOT, FoxNation, and whatever other Republican groups there are ask the questions.

Skip Intro Jul 12, 2015 • 10:50:59am

Poor Prince Emptysuit hasn’t figured out yet that Trump’s act is that of a professional wrestler, and any call for restraint is going to fail horribly.

Skip Intro Jul 12, 2015 • 10:52:13am

re: #17 Dark_Falcon

Charles, may I suggest adding this article to the top of the thread as an update? It’s a pretty good CNN takedown of Trump:

Military analysts: Donald Trump’s plan to bomb Iraq’s oil fields not a good one

A sample:

Bolding mine.

None of Trump’s plans are good ones, but that misses the entire point of Trump’s popularity.

JadeHelmCurious Jul 12, 2015 • 10:52:15am

sung in the style of Barbara Ann

Bomb bomb bomb, bomb bomb Iran
Bomb bomb bomb, bomb bomb Iran
Bomb Ira-a-a-ann, make glass of sa-a-and
We keepa wing-wing wongin, wong wong wingin
bomb Iran
Bomb bomb bomb, bomb bomb Iran

PhillyPretzel Jul 12, 2015 • 10:52:57am

re: #19 No Depression

re: #20 Higgs Boson’s Mate

I agree. This GOP is not the GOP of my late mom or dad.

danarchy Jul 12, 2015 • 10:53:01am

re: #21 darthstar

Air them all on C-SPAN. Let reddit/4chan, #TCOT, FoxNation, and whatever other Republican groups there are ask the questions.

I don’t think I have ever heard reddit and 4chan characterized as republican…

Belafon Jul 12, 2015 • 10:53:02am

re: #22 Skip Intro

Friday’s episode of the Amazing World of Gumball had an appropriate line: “Who knew, that if you try to create a monster, that you’d end up with a monster?”

dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸ Jul 12, 2015 • 10:53:56am

i would give you better than 50% at this point that trump will run as a third party after the gop establishment rejects him

i calculate that would leave the regular gop w 22% of the vote, as the 27% ‘moron percentage’ including the descendants of the dixiecrats joins trump

GlutenFreeJesus Jul 12, 2015 • 10:54:38am

Grand Old Polyps.

Kragar Jul 12, 2015 • 10:55:50am

Scientists argue Trump's habit of exaggerating all numbers is a coping mechanism adopted in adolescence known as “measuring from the taint.”

— LOLGOP (@LOLGOP) July 12, 2015

Dark_Falcon Jul 12, 2015 • 10:57:12am

re: #18 PhillyPretzel

D-F take back your darned up ding on my #13. Please.

Wouldn’t make a difference: Three other people have updinged it as well. You’re fine, PP.

wrenchwench Jul 12, 2015 • 10:57:31am

Reince can’t control Trump because Trump feeds the base. (And feeds off the base.)

If Priebus wanted to do something about Trump, it would not be that difficult. Just quote him, then point out the facts.

Trump: ‘Mexico is selecting the bad people to send here. Listen to this man whose son was killed by an illegal immigrant (Jamiel Shaw Sr.)’

Fact: The guy who shot Jamiel Shaw Jr. came here when he was 4 years old. I don’t think Mexico sent him as a future bad guy.

But if Reince did that, he’d be called a Democrat. Here’s a tweet from a real one:

Facts and Donald Trump don't mix. Walt Rubel: Crime statistics debunk Trump's outrageous claims. @CrucesSunNews. http://t.co/IfvgOlW8xw

— Bill McCamley (@BillMcCamley) July 12, 2015

The Washington Post, in attempting to further fact-check Trump’s claims, notes that there is no evidence showing immigrants commit more crimes than native-born Americans. Immigration has gone up since the 1992, while the crime rate has gone down. And, a study by the Congressional Research Service found that immigrants make up a smaller percentage of the population in jails and state prisons than their percentage of the general population.

None of this scare-mongering is new to those of us who live on the border. Conservative politicians eager to play to the darkest instincts of their base have long portrayed the border area as a lawless region where crime is rampant and illegal crossers are out of control. The truth is, El Paso has had the lowest crime rate for U.S. cities of 500,000 or more for the past four years. When confronted with those facts in a recent interview, Trump laughed them off as if they didn’t exist. But they do.

[…]

A journalist quotes another journalistic source. No wonder Trump hates them.

The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge Jul 12, 2015 • 10:58:19am

re: #24 JadeHelmCurious

sung in the style of Barbara Ann

Bomb bomb bomb, bomb bomb Iran
Bomb bomb bomb, bomb bomb Iran
Bomb Ira-a-a-ann, make glass of sa-a-and
We keepa wing-wing wongin, wong wong wingin
bomb Iran
Bomb bomb bomb, bomb bomb Iran

John McCain, is that you?

darthstar Jul 12, 2015 • 10:59:14am

Scott Walker loses another supporter.

Constitutional Duty. pic.twitter.com/Txxkvjteta

— Tomthunkit(TM) (@TomthunkitsMind) July 12, 2015

darthstar Jul 12, 2015 • 11:00:20am

re: #26 danarchy

I don’t think I have ever heard reddit and 4chan characterized as republican…

Hello? Family values…duh.

Higgs Boson's Mate Jul 12, 2015 • 11:00:35am

re: #25 PhillyPretzel

I agree. This GOP is not the GOP of my late mom or dad.

It sure isn’t the GOP of my youth. The party has moved from reasoned opposition to some Democratic policies to scorched earth contrarianism in record time.

The War TARDIS Jul 12, 2015 • 11:01:14am

re: #17 Dark_Falcon

I hate saying this, but Trump had a scintilla of a point on Iraq as a nation. Largely formed as lines on a map during Sykes-Picot, the the area has only been united by outside powers and larger empires.

Iraq was always going to fall apart. If Saddam died, or when we left.

Of course, Trump loses all points for not realizing that any successor states will need oil for the economy.

PhillyPretzel Jul 12, 2015 • 11:01:21am

re: #31 Dark_Falcon

Fine, besides I am considered a heretic because I watch my beloved PBS cooking shows and running my home office on solar powered batteries. :)

dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸ Jul 12, 2015 • 11:02:16am

re: #32 wrenchwench

Reince can’t control Trump because Trump feeds the base. (And feeds off the base.)

regular gops dont want to acknowlege that the majority of their party is made up of the descendants of dixiecrats

darthstar Jul 12, 2015 • 11:03:13am

Bush on how to grow the economy: Work longer hours? The answer's right behind your head, Jeb http://t.co/QAxwDs6DdA pic.twitter.com/qtI9Ju2c7u

— AFSCME (@AFSCME) July 12, 2015

WhatEVs Jul 12, 2015 • 11:06:50am

re: #32 wrenchwench

Fact: The guy who shot Jamiel Shaw Jr. came here when he was 4 years old. I don’t think Mexico sent him as a future bad guy.

They think Obama is the Manchurian Candidate with Hawaiian birth announcement to “prove” his (obvious il)legitimacy.

Yeah, that’s exactly what they think.

Blind Frog Belly White Jul 12, 2015 • 11:07:03am

re: #37 The War TARDIS

I hate saying this, but Trump had a scintilla of a point on Iraq as a nation. Largely formed as lines on a map during Sykes-Picot, the the area has only been united by outside powers and larger empires.

Iraq was always going to fall apart. If Saddam died, or when we left.

Of course, Trump loses all points for not realizing that any successor states will need oil for the economy.

Who knows what Trump really thinks? Right now, he’s providing outrage fuel and simple answers for people who thrive on outrage and want simple answers. Preferably simple, violent answers. I think the only thing Trump really believes is that he’s some kind of superhero.

PhillyPretzel Jul 12, 2015 • 11:07:36am

re: #40 darthstar

The GOP does not think to work with anyone. They should. :(

Dark_Falcon Jul 12, 2015 • 11:08:26am

re: #37 The War TARDIS

I hate saying this, but Trump had a scintilla of a point on Iraq as a nation. Largely formed as lines on a map during Sykes-Picot, the the area has only been united by outside powers and larger empires.

Iraq was always going to fall apart. If Saddam died, or when we left.

Of course, Trump loses all points for not realizing that any successor states will need oil for the economy.

He’s right about how Iraq was put together, but his point isn’t original. Heck Joe Biden pointed it out years ago. But that formation was almost 100 years ago, and people’s feelings do change. But Trump doesn’t notice such things.

It’s also worthy noting that whatever people think of Joe Biden’s partition plan for Iraq that he advanced some years back, at least the old screwball was proposing a political solution to a political problem. Trump is deliberately ignoring the regional politics to focus on ‘entertaining’ his supporters with visions of the Hostile Other being blown up. That this actually happening would promptly cause those same supporters to take a hit in their wallets is not mentioned.

Dark_Falcon Jul 12, 2015 • 11:09:56am

re: #43 PhillyPretzel

The GOP does not think to work with anyone. They should. :(

Explain their getting Obama the Trade Promotion Authority he wanted, then.

De Kolta Chair Jul 12, 2015 • 11:10:01am

Charles Johnson Jul 12, 2015 • 11:10:05am

I love that some conservative pundits are clutching their pearls over the absolutely appropriate term “clown car.”

— Charles Johnson (@Green_Footballs) July 12, 2015

A GOP that fields candidates like Donald Trump, Ben Carson, Rand Paul and Mike Huckabee absolutely deserves the term “clown car.”

— Charles Johnson (@Green_Footballs) July 12, 2015

Blind Frog Belly White Jul 12, 2015 • 11:11:09am

re: #43 PhillyPretzel

The GOP does not think to work with anyone. They should. :(

If you don’t mind my asking, what does the GOP, as currently constituted, stand for that you believe in, and does it stand more for that than the Democratic party as currently constituted does?

I have friends who identify themselves as ‘Eisenhower Republicans’, but as far as I can tell, an Eisenhower Republican is really just an Obama Democrat. There’s no Eisenhower left in the GOP, and for that matter, damned little Reagan.

Not criticizing, just curious.

Romantic Heretic Jul 12, 2015 • 11:12:16am

re: #34 darthstar

Hopefully this poor bastard will get the mental health care he so desperately needs.

PhillyPretzel Jul 12, 2015 • 11:13:07am

re: #45 Dark_Falcon

I cannot. I am watching America’s Test Kitchen and they are making Viet. Beef Pho noodles.

Teukka Jul 12, 2015 • 11:13:27am

re: #46 De Kolta Chair

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You know, Semper® is a baby food brand here in Sweden…

See also semper.se

PhillyPretzel Jul 12, 2015 • 11:14:27am

re: #48 Blind Frog Belly White

My job. I do not like to talk about it because I do not like it but it pays the bills.

Shiplord Kirel Jul 12, 2015 • 11:15:37am

re: #40 darthstar

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The 1956 Republican platform actually bragged about the increase in union membership during Eisenhower’s first term.

Backwoods_Sleuth Jul 12, 2015 • 11:16:57am

I’m certain that the cat meant to do this…

????????? pic.twitter.com/oC3szbg2SI

— The Cult Cat (@Elverojaguar) July 12, 2015

The War TARDIS Jul 12, 2015 • 11:18:17am

re: #44 Dark_Falcon

Correct on all points there.

At this point, we should give up of Iraq. Support the Kurds however possible.

Turkey complainsn point out how they are distinctly doing nothing against DAESH, and they have an even nastier problem with bigotry than we do (Armenians, Assyrians, Jews, and Greeks have been treated poorly, and their secularism is unevenly applied.)

darthstar Jul 12, 2015 • 11:18:53am

re: #50 PhillyPretzel

I cannot. I am watching America’s Test Kitchen and they are making Viet. Beef Pho noodles.

It’s all in the broth.

PhillyPretzel Jul 12, 2015 • 11:19:07am

re: #54 Backwoods_Sleuth

Thanks. I needed a good laugh. Beside he looks so cute like that.

ObserverArt Jul 12, 2015 • 11:19:35am

I’m going to put this ‘shop back up for reasons.

PhillyPretzel Jul 12, 2015 • 11:19:36am

re: #56 darthstar

Yes. It is and the prep too.

The Vicious Babushka Jul 12, 2015 • 11:19:47am

re: #24 JadeHelmCurious

sung in the style of Barbara Ann

Bomb bomb bomb, bomb bomb Iran
Bomb bomb bomb, bomb bomb Iran
Bomb Ira-a-a-ann, make glass of sa-a-and
We keepa wing-wing wongin, wong wong wingin
bomb Iran
Bomb bomb bomb, bomb bomb Iran

I think Rush, another chickenhawk, made up that song.

Backwoods_Sleuth Jul 12, 2015 • 11:19:57am

re: #57 PhillyPretzel

Thanks. I needed a good laugh. Beside he looks so cute like that.

I’m also certain that the cat practiced that move for days.

Skip Intro Jul 12, 2015 • 11:20:06am

re: #53 Shiplord Kirel

How many of those points do today’s Republicans agree with?

The only one I see is “less time lost to strikes”.

dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸ Jul 12, 2015 • 11:20:57am

re: #48 Blind Frog Belly White

If you don’t mind my asking, what does the GOP, as currently constituted, stand for that you believe in, and does it stand more for that than the Democratic party as currently constituted does?

I have friends who identify themselves as ‘Eisenhower Republicans’, but as far as I can tell, an Eisenhower Republican is really just an Obama Democrat. There’s no Eisenhower left in the GOP, and for that matter, damned little Reagan.

Not criticizing, just curious.

my take is that it’s a peer group conformity issue that has nothing to do w a party of multinational corporations lying to suckers and racists

Joe Bacon Jul 12, 2015 • 11:21:03am

re: #47 Charles Johnson

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Charles, I think KKKlown KKKar is more accurate!

The Vicious Babushka Jul 12, 2015 • 11:21:08am

Here’s a Max Trumproom for anyone to use in a meme

PhillyPretzel Jul 12, 2015 • 11:21:12am

re: #60 The Vicious Babushka

That danged braggart Ted Nugent.

Backwoods_Sleuth Jul 12, 2015 • 11:21:55am

Greece v. Germany going into injury time pic.twitter.com/soViB1bbFO

— Michele Banks (@artologica) July 12, 2015

Mattand Jul 12, 2015 • 11:22:51am

re: #8 Dark_Falcon

I have relatives in elected office as Republicans, so I’ll thank you not to make such a blanket statement. Moreover, I’ll note that Lindsey Graham, who actually is a Republican office holder, called Trump out on his shit just this morning and we were discussing it on the previous thread.

This is that goddamned hand wringing/No True Scotsman crap you guys do when it’s pointed out how batshit crazy the GOP has become.

I’m sure your relatives are nice people and mean well, but I’m sorry; this kind of GOP POTUS candidate did not just suddenly materialize out of nowhere. We are looking at 30 years of party leaders ass kissing the worst of the worst in the Republican party.

These are the same loons that utterly lost their shit by seeing a black man being legally elected POTUS twice. They’re driving your party now, like it or not.

You can protest all you want, but the GOP can be broken down into two camps at this point: the mouth breathers who go orgasmic over a potential GOP candidate being openly bigoted; and the “moderates” who cower in a corner, mewling that “Oh, they don’t represent us”, yet vote for them anyway.

And that’s the rub: you keep voting for the Palins, and the Bachmanns and the Cruzs, and Gohmerts. Instead of saying I’m voting for someone else because the Repubs are too extreme; or sitting one out; you guys go “Welp, they’ve got an ‘R’ by their name. Got no choice.”

I mean, for fuck’s sake, so what if Graham spoke out? The other 16 wannabes either looked the other way or fucking agreed with him!

This is three decades of kissing up to the religious fanatics and making code word speeches about “We need to save our country from those people!” This is two decades of pretending that Fox News is a legimate journalistic enterprise, and not the propaganda machine it really is.

Just stop with the whole “Trump doesn’t represent the Republican Party” nonsense. He does. He is the party’s ID, exposed for all to see. Until the party starts dealing with the root cause why someone like Trump gravitates towards them, we’re all screwed.

darthstar Jul 12, 2015 • 11:24:03am

Okay…I thought I’d subject myself to Chuck Todd to see just how bad MTP has gotten…he really sucks. He can’t even do a good job of discounting Donald Trump.

ObserverArt Jul 12, 2015 • 11:24:23am

re: #24 JadeHelmCurious

sung in the style of Barbara Ann

Bomb bomb bomb, bomb bomb Iran
Bomb bomb bomb, bomb bomb Iran
Bomb Ira-a-a-ann, make glass of sa-a-and
We keepa wing-wing wongin, wong wong wingin
bomb Iran
Bomb bomb bomb, bomb bomb Iran

We keepa wing-wing wongin, wong wong wingin
bomb Iran
Bomb bomb bomb, bomb bomb Iran

…for the win! I can hear the high part in those words.

Charles Johnson Jul 12, 2015 • 11:24:36am

re: #58 ObserverArt

re: #65 The Vicious Babushka

I’ll be using these pics! Gracias.

The Vicious Babushka Jul 12, 2015 • 11:25:25am

TRUMP: MAKE TEH MESSICANS PAY $100,000 FOR EVERY ILLEGAL WHO CROSSES ACROSS TEH BOARDER!!!!!!

Do Not Link

The Vicious Babushka Jul 12, 2015 • 11:27:00am

Trump is sounding more and more like another hate-crazed demagogue who used to rant and rave about a certain ethnic group.

Just sayin’

blueraven Jul 12, 2015 • 11:28:22am

re: #44 Dark_Falcon

He’s right about how Iraq was put together, but his point isn’t original. Heck Joe Biden pointed it out years ago. But that formation was almost 100 years ago, and people’s feelings do change. But Trump doesn’t notice such things.

It’s also worthy noting that whatever people think of Joe Biden’s partition plan for Iraq that he advanced some years back, at least the old screwball was proposing a political solution to a political problem. Trump is deliberately ignoring the regional politics to focus on ‘entertaining’ his supporters with visions of the Hostile Other being blown up. That this actually happening would promptly cause those same supporters to take a hit in their wallets is not mentioned.

Your party is running Trump, Jindal, Huckabee and Cruz and you call Joe Biden an old screwball? That is all kinds of messed up.

Dark_Falcon Jul 12, 2015 • 11:28:36am

re: #55 The War TARDIS

Correct on all points there.

At this point, we should give up of Iraq. Support the Kurds however possible.

Turkey complains point out how they are distinctly doing nothing against DAESH, and they have an even nastier problem with bigotry than we do (Armenians, Assyrians, Jews, and Greeks have been treated poorly, and their secularism is unevenly applied.)

We need to try to help Iraq win, I still believe. But there’s also this:

ISIS In Fallujah: Iraqi Shi’ite Militias Advance As Islamic State Fights Back

Iraqi Shiite militia fighters are reporting progress in their push to oust Islamic State militants from Fallujah, a strategic city whose capture would mark a significant step in conquering the predominantly Sunni western province of Anbar. Shiite and government fighters this week made gains north of Fallujah during clashes with the Islamic State group, also known as ISIS.

However, ISIS mounted heavy resistance, sending car bombs to thwart their advances, Reuters reported. Shiite and government fighters were in control of the city’s eastern, southern and western approaches, though it might be some time before they attempt to enter the city itself, according to Iraq officials, the Washington Post reported.

ISIS has been building up its defenses in Fallujah since gaining control several months ago, planting mines to repel government forces. Tribal and insurgent sources told Reuters that ISIS had staged attacks early Friday in villages between Fallujah and Ramadi - a move possibly meant to head off a coordinated between the two cities, both of which have become frontlines in the battle against ISIS in Iraq.

dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸ Jul 12, 2015 • 11:29:04am

what i really wonder about is how the gop establishment would stop trump if he won in the primaries?

after a few of these gop debates the other candidates are likely to look mighty small

PhillyPretzel Jul 12, 2015 • 11:29:25am

re: #74 blueraven

Very messed up.

wrenchwench Jul 12, 2015 • 11:32:41am

re: #72 The Vicious Babushka

TRUMP: MAKE TEH MESSICANS PAY $100,000 FOR EVERY ILLEGAL WHO CROSSES ACROSS TEH BOARDER!!!!!!

Do Not Link

Should they take it out of the money we’re sending them?

The Mexican government has gotten outside support for the judicial reform, including from the U.S. Agency for International Development (USAID), which has invested nearly $75 million. The cash came from the Mérida Initiative, a $2.3 billion program to combat drugs in Mexico, and has gone toward training state-level judicial operators, developing law school curriculum, supporting bar associations, and spreading information about the new system, said Nick Stokes, senior rule of law adviser at USAID’s Justice and Citizen Security Office.

Mattand Jul 12, 2015 • 11:33:55am

re: #76 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸

You think it was cringe-worthy when Romney went full metal wingnut, only to watch him desperately claw back to the middle? If Trump keeps up this kind of pressure, the amount of pandering these guys are going to do is going to be frightening.

And we’re already talking about a crowd that includes extremists like Cruz and Carson. Shit, Jeb! was whining yesterday about Obama, Clinton and Kerry being too educated.

He’s supposed to be the moderate one. What a shit show.

Skip Intro Jul 12, 2015 • 11:34:30am

re: #76 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸

what i really wonder about is how the gop establishment would stop trump if he won in the primaries?

after a few of these gop debates the other candidates are likely to look mighty small

If Trump gets in, it’s going to be exactly like a pro wrestling match, with Trump ignoring all the rules, and the rest of them standing around like mannequins.

ObserverArt Jul 12, 2015 • 11:35:01am

re: #71 Charles Johnson

I’ll be using these pics! Gracias.

I do them in the spirit of LGF…so have at it!

Skip Intro Jul 12, 2015 • 11:37:07am

re: #81 ObserverArt

Any chance of putting GOP on the gondola?

stpaulbear Jul 12, 2015 • 11:37:18am

re: #68 Mattand

Just stop with the whole “Trump doesn’t represent the Republican Party” nonsense. He does. He is the party’s ID, exposed for all to see.

Exactly. The excuse is always “He doesn’t represent the Republican Party” rather than “He doesn’t represent me” (or “The GOP no longer represents me”). They can always forgive the party, even thought Trump is topping the GOP polls and drawing the biggest GOP crowds. That’s not the real GOP. They wouldn’t do that to me.

It’s delusional. Face it. This is exactly what you get now with your GOP vote.

Amory Blaine Jul 12, 2015 • 11:39:18am

Somebody looking for me?

Romantic Heretic Jul 12, 2015 • 11:42:25am

re: #58 ObserverArt

The head is too small. /

Khal Wimpo Jul 12, 2015 • 11:43:05am

It’s been said before, but the opening remarks in the GOP debates are probably gonna look a lot like this:

Video

Dark_Falcon Jul 12, 2015 • 11:45:22am

re: #84 Amory Blaine

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Somebody looking for me?

Nah, there’s no balancing acts going on yet.

Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light) Jul 12, 2015 • 11:45:30am

re: #79 Mattand

You think it was cringe-worthy when Romney went full metal wingnut, only to watch him desperately claw back to the middle? If Trump keeps up this kind of pressure, the amount of pandering these guys are going to do is going to be frightening.

And we’re already talking about a crowd that includes extremists like Cruz and Carson. Shit, Jeb! was whining yesterday about Obama, Clinton and Kerry being too educated.

He’s supposed to be the moderate one. What a shit show.

No, because Trump is not about to repeat Romney’s “mistake”, in not being “conservative enough” he is going to continue full wingnut, and at least offer the people a clear choice between himself and the Democratic nominee.

ObserverArt Jul 12, 2015 • 11:46:23am

jaunte Jul 12, 2015 • 11:46:34am

re: #79 Mattand

Shit, Jeb! was whining yesterday about Obama, Clinton and Kerry being too educated.

He’s supposed to be the moderate one. What a shit show.

Following the long Republican tradition of smearing educated opponents as “eggheads.”

Vice presidential nominee Richard Nixon, red-baiting Senator Joseph McCarthy, and FBI director J. Edgar Hoover smeared the Stevenson campaign as a bunch of “pinks and pansies.”

In response, Stevenson quipped, “I would make a proposition to my Republican friends … that if they will stop telling lies about the Democrats, we will stop telling the truth about them.”
uuworld.org

wrenchwench Jul 12, 2015 • 11:48:16am

Alytes pic.twitter.com/VL2CRlPd2d

— Karen Lips (@kwren88) July 12, 2015

Also known as the Midwife Toad.

Backwoods_Sleuth Jul 12, 2015 • 11:49:00am

“Well anyway…” - Translation: Let's quickly disregard what you just said

— VeryBritishProblems (@SoVeryBritish) July 12, 2015

De Kolta Chair Jul 12, 2015 • 11:50:38am

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blueraven Jul 12, 2015 • 11:56:31am

re: #93 De Kolta Chair

Honestly, I do not know if I can bring myself to read Harper Lee’s new book. Atticus is such an entrenched and beloved heroic figure, the disillusionment would be profound.

I may just cover my eyes and ears.

Belafon Jul 12, 2015 • 11:57:47am

re: #94 blueraven

Honestly, I do not know if I can bring myself to read Harper Lee’s new book. Atticus is such an entrenched and beloved heroic figure, the disillusionment would be profound.

I may just cover my eyes and ears.

It’s a bit like finding out just how racist your parents are.

The Vicious Babushka Jul 12, 2015 • 11:58:04am

My son & 6 of his kids just drove in from Toronto, so I’ll see you guys later.

Belafon Jul 12, 2015 • 11:59:25am

re: #96 The Vicious Babushka

That’s the total number of grandkids my parents have from three children.

De Kolta Chair Jul 12, 2015 • 12:00:34pm

re: #94 blueraven

Honestly, I do not know if I can bring myself to read Harper Lee’s new book. Atticus is such an entrenched and beloved heroic figure, the disillusionment would be profound.

I may just cover my eyes and ears.

Since the “new” novel is an earlier draft of To Kill A Mockingbird, it sounds like one of those rare times when a publisher’s suggested changes actually improved a book.

Dark_Falcon Jul 12, 2015 • 12:02:09pm

re: #94 blueraven

Honestly, I do not know if I can bring myself to read Harper Lee’s new book. Atticus is such an entrenched and beloved heroic figure, the disillusionment would be profound.

I may just cover my eyes and ears.

Lets wait for confirmation before we worry too much. Until the book is actually out, we won’t know all the details.

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goddamnedfrank Jul 12, 2015 • 12:04:43pm

re: #93 De Kolta Chair

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What’s interesting is that in the new book Atticus managed in the past to get Robinson acquitted. Therefore presumably Robinson isn’t shot and killed while trying to escape prison.

We can therefore view the new novel as taking place in an alternate universe, one where that success managed over time to ruin Atticus’s views on race, because he was given a false sense of progress early on instead of having to confront yet again the horrible toll his community’s racism exacts. It’s reasonable to think that the Atticus from TKaM never would have grown into the Atticus from GSaW, because the failure to acquit Robinson and Robinson’s death helped reinforce his understanding of institutional racism. Instead his success made him amenable to the the anti civil rights movement.

Anyway that’s how I see it. Also this mirror universe version of Atticus has a goatee because Star Trek tell us that’s how this shit works.

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goddamnedfrank Jul 12, 2015 • 12:08:47pm

Also nobody has said yet how Jem is supposed to have died in GSaW. Did Ewell kill him? If so you can view this alternate universe Atticus’s response as a kind of community Stockholm Syndrome. He will have lost his only son as a result of his own ability to set an accused black rapist free. Even knowing that Robinson was innocent might not prevent such a person from rationalizing the death of their son in such a way as to eventually sympathize with the racism that motivated his killer.

Anyway, like I said, goatee.

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De Kolta Chair Jul 12, 2015 • 12:10:07pm

re: #100 goddamnedfrank

Anyway that’s how I see it. Also this mirror universe version of Atticus has a goatee because Star Trek tell us that’s how this shit works.

Brilliant! (Your entire comment, not just that last part)

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wrenchwench Jul 12, 2015 • 12:14:58pm

re: #101 goddamnedfrank

Anyway, like I said, goatee.

A summation to treasure.

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De Kolta Chair Jul 12, 2015 • 12:19:38pm

I’ve seen the movie dozens of times, and this scene gets me every time…

…

Excuse me, the pollen count must be very high today…

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Backwoods_Sleuth Jul 12, 2015 • 12:20:38pm

Awkward Everyday Lives Of Animals By Simpsons Illustrator Liz Climo http://t.co/2tn8XeU9Kk pic.twitter.com/x73B4Qv8OT

— Life on Earth (@planetepics) July 11, 2015

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PhillyPretzel Jul 12, 2015 • 12:26:30pm

re: #104 De Kolta Chair

same here. ::: passing tissues to De Kolta Chair :::

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wrenchwench Jul 12, 2015 • 12:32:05pm

Friendship between Australian Cattle Dog And Horse. pic.twitter.com/6NhLJLL2R1

— Cute Animals (@awwcuteness) July 12, 2015

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De Kolta Chair Jul 12, 2015 • 12:33:44pm

Meanwhile at GOP headquarters…

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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸ Jul 12, 2015 • 12:37:57pm

‘the Hill’

Strategists say Bush is smart not to exchange haymakers with Trump, who has a reputation for escalating fights and not backing down.

“The best way is for Bush to continue to put Trump in his place by saying his comments are only intended to generate headlines, they’re not based in real facts,” said Ron Bonjean, a GOP strategist and former congressional GOP leadership aide.

the call of the mild

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jaunte Jul 12, 2015 • 12:38:00pm

Too many clowns trying to drive the car.

Senate Republicans push to punish 'sanctuary cities' http://t.co/oGjHI8TApL pic.twitter.com/PkS9TqpEZs

— The Hill (@thehill) July 12, 2015

“But tying the immigration measure to the education bill, which has so far managed to avoid any political landmines, would likely sink the legislation, which has the strong support of Majority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.).”

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b.d. Jul 12, 2015 • 12:40:05pm

re: #110 jaunte

Too many clowns trying to drive the car.

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The “Less Government” folks strike again.

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wrenchwench Jul 12, 2015 • 12:41:02pm

re: #110 jaunte

STATES RIGHTS!!

But cities? NOOOOO!

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jaunte Jul 12, 2015 • 12:41:30pm

re: #112 wrenchwench

You read my mind!

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Targetpractice Jul 12, 2015 • 12:42:12pm

re: #109 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸

‘the Hill’

Strategists say Bush is smart not to exchange haymakers with Trump, who has a reputation for escalating fights and not backing down.

“The best way is for Bush to continue to put Trump in his place by saying his comments are only intended to generate headlines, they’re not based in real facts,” said Ron Bonjean, a GOP strategist and former congressional GOP leadership aide.

the call of the mild

Apparently they’re hoping to go forward with the original plan, which was to sell Bush as the “sensible” alternative to Cruz, before he took a nosedive in the polls and never really recovered. So now he’ll be the “sensible” alternative to Trump, by which we mean he won’t make bombastic remarks, but he’ll be pushing pretty much the same shit.

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Targetpractice Jul 12, 2015 • 12:42:50pm

re: #110 jaunte

Too many clowns trying to drive the car.

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They couldn’t be bothered when Arizona wanted to turn cops into the Gestapo, but they can spare time to punish sanctuary cities over a single death.

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jaunte Jul 12, 2015 • 12:44:08pm

re: #115 Targetpractice

Those cities might as well go all in and ban fracking.

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BeachDem Jul 12, 2015 • 12:44:15pm

re: #100 goddamnedfrank

Is it too presumptuous to request that all plot-revealing comments about Go Set a Watchman be posted as spoilers?

I’m trying hard to avoid all reviews, reports and noise until I’ve actually read the book.

(I know, probably impossible unless I shut down my computer for a week. Sigh.)

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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸ Jul 12, 2015 • 12:45:01pm

just a smidgen of freeper ‘history’

A Socialist a century ago considered factories progressive instruments of the future

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Belafon Jul 12, 2015 • 12:45:28pm

BLOOM COUNTY:

dailykos.com

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PhillyPretzel Jul 12, 2015 • 12:45:43pm

re: #117 BeachDem

I have not read it yet. If I read it in the next few weeks I will not reveal anything. okay?

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Targetpractice Jul 12, 2015 • 12:48:01pm

re: #119 Belafon

BLOOM COUNTY:

dailykos.com

Oh wow, talk about a blast from the past.

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BeachDem Jul 12, 2015 • 12:48:02pm

re: #120 PhillyPretzel

I have not read it yet. If I read it in the next few weeks I will not reveal anything. okay?

The release date is Tuesday 7/14. I will start reading the minute it hits my Kindle. And thanks!

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge Jul 12, 2015 • 12:48:15pm

Via Ed Brayton—Trump on immigration 2012:

“The Democrats didn’t have a policy for dealing with illegal immigrants, but what they did have going for them is they weren’t mean-spirited about it,” Trump says. “They didn’t know what the policy was, but what they were is they were kind.”
Romney’s solution of “self deportation” for illegal aliens made no sense and suggested that Republicans do not care about Hispanics in general, Trump says.

“He had a crazy policy of self deportation which was maniacal,” Trump says. “It sounded as bad as it was, and he lost all of the Latino vote,” Trump notes. “He lost the Asian vote. He lost everybody who is inspired to come into this country.”

The GOP has to develop a comprehensive policy “to take care of this incredible problem that we have with respect to immigration, with respect to people wanting to be wonderful productive citizens of this country,” Trump says.

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PhillyPretzel Jul 12, 2015 • 12:48:56pm

re: #122 BeachDem

Kindle? oy vey. How much for the kindle version?

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Dark_Falcon Jul 12, 2015 • 12:50:27pm

re: #109 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸

‘the Hill’

Strategists say Bush is smart not to exchange haymakers with Trump, who has a reputation for escalating fights and not backing down.

“The best way is for Bush to continue to put Trump in his place by saying his comments are only intended to generate headlines, they’re not based in real facts,” said Ron Bonjean, a GOP strategist and former congressional GOP leadership aide.

the call of the mild

It’s the wise course. There’s nothing to be gained by mud wrestling a pig like Donald Trump: It gets you dirty and the pig likes it.

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PhillyPretzel Jul 12, 2015 • 12:51:26pm

re: #124 PhillyPretzel

Hmm $14. I have to think about it. Budget is very tight after roof job.

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JadeHelmCurious Jul 12, 2015 • 12:51:27pm

At least his mud is probably that super fine shi shi clay and not the smelly poor stuff.

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Backwoods_Sleuth Jul 12, 2015 • 12:53:10pm

re: #127 JadeHelmCurious

At least his mud is probably that super fine shi shi clay and not the smelly poor stuff.

It’s a PHENOMENAL mud! Not like that cheap Chinese mud!

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Saint Stephen Jul 12, 2015 • 12:53:54pm

When Trump first announced, some commentators called him “the Id” of the Republican party. My first thought was that the Republican party is the Id of the American political system.

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wrenchwench Jul 12, 2015 • 12:54:04pm

re: #123 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

Obama’s administration deported more people than any previous president. Both terms. I think that must be the result of some kind of plan. Many found it mean-spirited, not kind.

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PhillyPretzel Jul 12, 2015 • 12:54:15pm

re: #127 JadeHelmCurious

Only the finest kaolin will do. ///

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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸ Jul 12, 2015 • 12:54:32pm

re: #125 Dark_Falcon

It’s the wise course. There’s nothing to be gained by mud wrestling a pig like Donald Trump: It gets you dirty and the pig likes it.

im very afraid though that it may turn out that many of those who you think of as your allies will turn out to be the pig

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge Jul 12, 2015 • 12:55:18pm

re: #131 PhillyPretzel

Only the finest kaolin will do. ///

Good thing I refreshed before dropping my kaolin joke….

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BeachDem Jul 12, 2015 • 12:55:24pm

re: #124 PhillyPretzel

Kindle? oy vey. How much for the kindle version?

$13.99

Edited to add—I pre-ordered it in February and it was only $9.23.

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PhillyPretzel Jul 12, 2015 • 12:57:31pm

re: #134 BeachDem

yes. hmm. It will wait.

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ObserverArt Jul 12, 2015 • 12:57:53pm

I don’t think Jeb is a very quick thinker. Or that is how he comes off because he is too scared to say what he really thinks. Sad thing, many times you can tell he is going with a pre-planned response only for it to come off wrong and then it takes him days to figure out what to say in response to what he already said.

I just have an on-going feeling Jeb really isn’t in to this whole presidential run thing. He just comes off disconnected.

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De Kolta Chair Jul 12, 2015 • 12:58:26pm

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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸ Jul 12, 2015 • 12:59:35pm

re: #136 ObserverArt

I don’t think Jeb is a very quick thinker. Or that is how he comes off because he is too scared to say what he really thinks. Sad thing, many times you can tell he is going with a pre-planned response only for it to come off wrong and then it takes him days to figure out what to say in response to what he already said.

I just have an on-going feeling Jeb really isn’t in to this whole presidential run thing. He just comes of disconnected.

i get the feeling that deep down he really doesnt want to run

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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸ Jul 12, 2015 • 1:00:44pm

actually i think it would make a great slogan for the trump campaign

Be The Pig!

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PhillyPretzel Jul 12, 2015 • 1:00:53pm

re: #138 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸

The GOP is hoping his name will get some votes.

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Varek Raith Jul 12, 2015 • 1:01:00pm

Yo.

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jaunte Jul 12, 2015 • 1:01:33pm

What accounts for the remarkable decline of violent crime in the US and the return of urban vibrancy? Immigration. http://t.co/t0npete6rg

— billmoyers.com (@BillMoyersHQ) July 12, 2015

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PhillyPretzel Jul 12, 2015 • 1:01:33pm

re: #139 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸

As a Jewish person I am not happy with that slogan.

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b_sharp Jul 12, 2015 • 1:02:15pm

re: #137 De Kolta Chair

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“Make America great again.”

What does that mean?
What characterizes a ‘Great’ America & has it ever shown those traits?

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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸ Jul 12, 2015 • 1:02:51pm

re: #143 PhillyPretzel

As a Jewish person I am not happy with that slogan.

for us hebrews the slogan is always

Zei A Mensch!

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Varek Raith Jul 12, 2015 • 1:03:27pm

re: #137 De Kolta Chair

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Yeah, gonna need more than 50 bucks for my dignity.

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PhillyPretzel Jul 12, 2015 • 1:03:33pm

re: #145 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸

lol. Thanks. :)

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De Kolta Chair Jul 12, 2015 • 1:04:16pm

re: #144 b_sharp

“Make America great again.”

What does that mean?
What characterizes a ‘Great’ America & has it ever shown those traits?

BELIEVE there will be a rich white man in the White House agin!!!11!!

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b_sharp Jul 12, 2015 • 1:05:00pm

re: #142 jaunte

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Or possibly the drop in leaded fuels, at least for the drop in violence. For suburbia I have no idea.

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jaunte Jul 12, 2015 • 1:05:38pm

re: #144 b_sharp

“Make America great again.”

What does that mean?
What characterizes a ‘Great’ America & has it ever shown those traits?

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b_sharp Jul 12, 2015 • 1:07:07pm

re: #148 De Kolta Chair

BELIEVE there will be a rich white man in the White House agin!!!11!!

I’m always curious when someone claims that America is somehow less than it was without being able to specify how it’s less.

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Chez Ko Pe Jul 12, 2015 • 1:07:25pm

re: #32 wrenchwench

I don’t think Mexico sent him as a future bad guy.

But…what if they did???2? Tomorrow’s headline: Trump Uncovers Plot by Mexican Scientists to “Bad Seed” U.S.

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wrenchwench Jul 12, 2015 • 1:08:53pm

re: #152 Chez Ko Pe

But…what if they did???2? Tomorrow’s headline: Trump Uncovers Plot by Mexican Scientists to “Bad Seed” U.S.

He did say they are smarter…

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blueraven Jul 12, 2015 • 1:09:47pm

On the other hand…even knowing Gary Cooper was something of a Mcarthyite and Barbara Stanwyck as well, I think…that will not diminish my enjoyment in watching Sugarpuss O’Shea and Professor Bertram Potts in Ball of Fire

On TCM now.

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Jenner7 Jul 12, 2015 • 1:11:09pm

re: #137 De Kolta Chair

He’s clearly insane. He’s wearing two shirts in Arizona. I mean, c’mon!

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Decatur Deb Jul 12, 2015 • 1:12:20pm

“However, Selective Service records reveal that Trump, the fortunate son of a multimillionaire real estate baron, took repeated steps to avoid serving in Vietnam.”

…

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The Vicious Babushka Jul 12, 2015 • 1:12:54pm

Welp I put the Tigers game on the TeeVee and my grandson said I want to see the Blue Jays!

I said go outside in the backyard and see the blue jays.

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Chez Ko Pe Jul 12, 2015 • 1:13:14pm

re: #53 Shiplord Kirel

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The 1956 Republican platform actually bragged about the increase in union membership during Eisenhower’s first term.

Beautiful. That needs to be reposted anytime and anywhere Republicans pull the “Democrats is racist because Robert Byrd!” horseshit, or any variant thereof.

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De Kolta Chair Jul 12, 2015 • 1:14:40pm

re: #144 b_sharp

“Make America great again.”

What does that mean?
What characterizes a ‘Great’ America & has it ever shown those traits?

////

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wrenchwench Jul 12, 2015 • 1:15:50pm

re: #157 The Vicious Babushka

Welp I put the Tigers game on the TeeVee and my grandson said I want to see the Blue Jays!

I said go outside in the backyard and see the blue jays.

Oh, Grandma!

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ObserverArt Jul 12, 2015 • 1:17:58pm

re: #151 b_sharp

I’m always curious when someone claims that America is somehow less than it was without being able to specify how it’s less.

I look at it as a modified version of an old phrase.

The grass WAS greener when they were on the other side of the fence.

A feeling based on an impression based on no facts.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge Jul 12, 2015 • 1:20:56pm

re: #154 blueraven

On the other hand…even knowing Gary Cooper was something of a Mcarthyite and Barbara Stanwyck as well, I think…that will not diminish my enjoyment in watching Sugarpuss O’Shea and Professor Bertram Potts in Ball of Fire

On TCM now.

And just to prove that atrocious, godawful, disgusting remakes are nothing new, I present: A Song Is Born, with Danny Kaye, from 1948.

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teleskiguy Jul 12, 2015 • 1:24:46pm

Hillary Clinton (D) - 55%
Whoever the fuck (R) - 30%
Donald Trump (I) - 15%

That’s my prediction for the popular vote on 8 November 2016.

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De Kolta Chair Jul 12, 2015 • 1:26:24pm

re: #144 b_sharp

“Make America great again.”

Amended version ;-)

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blueraven Jul 12, 2015 • 1:29:41pm

re: #162 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

And just to prove that atrocious, godawful, disgusting remakes are nothing new, I present: A Song Is Born, with Danny Kaye, from 1948.

Also see:

Wonderful comedy with Cary Grant and Irene Dunn
The Awful Truth (1937)

Terrible musical remake with Jane Wyman and Ray Milland
Let’s Do It Again (1953)

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge Jul 12, 2015 • 1:29:47pm

re: #163 teleskiguy

Hillary Clinton (D) - 55%
Whoever the fuck (R) - 30%
Donald Trump (I) - 15%

That’s my prediction for the popular vote on 8 November 2016.

I hoped for 60/30/10 the other day, but yours is probably more realistic.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge Jul 12, 2015 • 1:31:59pm

re: #165 blueraven

Also see:

Wonderful comedy with Cary Grant and Irene Dunn
The Awful Truth (1937)

Terrible musical remake with Jane Wyman and Ray Milland
Let’s Do It Again (1953)

I’d probably get swarmed if I said the same about Holiday Inn and White Christmas, but that’s how I feel…..

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teleskiguy Jul 12, 2015 • 1:32:11pm

Ross Perot got 19% of the popular vote in 1992.

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Decatur Deb Jul 12, 2015 • 1:32:20pm

re: #163 teleskiguy

Hillary Clinton (D) - 47%
Whoever the fuck (R) -44%
Misc Assholes - 9%

It’s not going to be easy.

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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸ Jul 12, 2015 • 1:33:43pm

re: #163 teleskiguy

Hillary Clinton (D) - 55%
Whoever the fuck (R) - 30%
Donald Trump (I) - 15%

That’s my prediction for the popular vote on 8 November 2016.

Whoever the fuck (R) : watch for whoever not jeb will do the best job of allying themselves with donald and Being The Pig

game with pigs in it => Pig Rules Win

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teleskiguy Jul 12, 2015 • 1:36:57pm

All this talk about a presidential election is pretty maddening. The damn election is in 484 days!

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De Kolta Chair Jul 12, 2015 • 1:37:05pm

re: #165 blueraven

Also see:

Wonderful comedy with Cary Grant and Irene Dunn
The Awful Truth (1937)

Ages ago when I lived in San Francisco, I caught a double feature of The Awful Truth and My Favorite Wife at the lovely Castro Theatre. Screwball comedy at its finest.

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stpaulbear Jul 12, 2015 • 1:39:41pm

re: #172 De Kolta Chair

Ages ago when I lived in San Francisco, I caught a double feature of The Awful Truth and My Favorite Wife at the lovely Castro Theatre. Screwball comedy at it’s finest.

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But where are the rainbows? There must be rainbows at the Castro Theater!

Edit: ..and Judy Garland.

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Decatur Deb Jul 12, 2015 • 1:40:32pm

re: #171 teleskiguy

All this talk about a presidential election is pretty maddening. The damn election is in 484 days!

Only 484 days, and we don’t have our shit together.

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De Kolta Chair Jul 12, 2015 • 1:41:31pm

re: #154 blueraven

On the other hand…even knowing Gary Cooper was something of a Mcarthyite and Barbara Stanwyck as well, I think…that will not diminish my enjoyment in watching Sugarpuss O’Shea and Professor Bertram Potts in Ball of Fire

On TCM now.

Thanks for the tip. One of my favorite filmmakers, maestro Billy Wilder, was one of the scriptwriters.

Drum boogie!

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wrenchwench Jul 12, 2015 • 1:43:16pm

re: #174 Decatur Deb

Only 484 days, and we don’t have our shit together.

Makes me want to ask Bernie to sit down, but I suppose he may draw out a few more participants who may stay engaged through November.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge Jul 12, 2015 • 1:45:24pm

re: #172 De Kolta Chair

Ages ago when I lived in San Francisco, I caught a double feature of The Awful Truth and My Favorite Wife at the lovely Castro Theatre. Screwball comedy at its finest.

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I love My Favorite Wife. I didn’t even mind the 60s remake so much.

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PhillyPretzel Jul 12, 2015 • 1:45:27pm

re: #174 Decatur Deb

Being a committee person for 21 years has taught me quite a few lessons in politics. The big lesson is you cannot predict any election results because you cannot predict what any one human will do to get said votes.

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Decatur Deb Jul 12, 2015 • 1:46:37pm

re: #176 wrenchwench

Makes me want to ask Bernie to sit down, but I suppose he may draw out a few more participants who may stay engaged through November.

He’s doing more good than harm, and HRC needs someone to get her back to the ol’ time religion. If she slips off into Boardroom mode she’s going to flush the kids, minorities and labor.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge Jul 12, 2015 • 1:46:49pm

re: #175 De Kolta Chair

Thanks for the tip. One of my favorite filmmakers, maestro Billy Wilder, was one of the scriptwriters.

My alltime favorite is Preston Sturges, but for the combination of quantity and quality, Billy Wilder wins hands down.

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teleskiguy Jul 12, 2015 • 1:47:37pm

Another unfortunate choice of font @BadAlbumCovers #badalbumcovers pic.twitter.com/GZI7w6rFK5

— Pete Southcombe (@mr_pastry) July 12, 2015

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De Kolta Chair Jul 12, 2015 • 1:47:43pm

re: #173 stpaulbear

But where are the rainbows? There must be rainbows at the Castro Theater!

Edit: ..and Judy Garland.

Back then nobody bothered you if you BYOB’ed and smoked pot (hopefully they still don’t, smoking laws be damned), so I don’t remember much besides the movies and the enthusiastic camaraderie of the audiences, especially at Joan Crawford flicks.

But I do remember well the wonderful Wurlitzer organist rising from below the floor before the show and during the intermission. Wish I could recall his name, he was great. I hear they’ve installed an even bigger organ since then.

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goddamnedfrank Jul 12, 2015 • 1:47:47pm

Y’all too pessimistic.

Hillary / Joaquin Castro - 65%
Generic D-Bag Establishment Republican - 30%
Trump / Cruz - 4%
Random Turd -1%

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blueraven Jul 12, 2015 • 1:50:42pm

re: #172 De Kolta Chair

Ages ago when I lived in San Francisco, I caught a double feature of The Awful Truth and My Favorite Wife at the lovely Castro Theatre. Screwball comedy at its finest.

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Indeed. Both extremely witty comedies. Fine writing and acting.

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Decatur Deb Jul 12, 2015 • 1:52:26pm

re: #183 goddamnedfrank

Y’all too pessimistic.

Hillary / Joaquin Castro - 65%
Generic D-Bag Establishment Republican - 30%
Trump / Cruz - 4%
Random Turd -1%

Rather be wrong your way than right my way.

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The Vicious Babushka Jul 12, 2015 • 1:53:37pm

Such Presidential Very Leadership==>

Sleep eyes @ChuckTodd(or whatever his thing is- you figure it out) is killing Meet The Press. Isn't he pathetic? Love watching him fail!

— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) July 12, 2015

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Backwoods_Sleuth Jul 12, 2015 • 1:55:54pm

“Let's go follow the giant!!…” pic.twitter.com/4ZllBI8MWr

— Smiley Rhe (@BeAwesome_Laugh) July 12, 2015

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jaunte Jul 12, 2015 • 1:56:03pm

re: #186 The Vicious Babushka

He’s so transparent.

And on #MTP today: @realDonaldTrump vs. @realDonaldTrump. What he's said in the past and what he's saying now. pic.twitter.com/ntTwZZuP2C

— Chuck Todd (@chucktodd) July 12, 2015

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goddamnedfrank Jul 12, 2015 • 1:58:03pm

re: #185 Decatur Deb

Trumps biggest problem is that he’s running a sprint pace in an Ultra-marathon that hasn’t even yet began. He’s also forcing the rest of the field to respond to this unsustainable cadence. I can’t see it ending well for the Republican field. Because when the correction finally comes and they all are forced to condemn Trumps racist bullshit it will be both too late and will alienate all the rabid supporters who find his rhetoric compelling.

I don’t really think Hillary is going to get 65%, but I do think it’s going to take a remarkably unlikely chain of events to produce a truly competitive Republican candidate.

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freetoken Jul 12, 2015 • 2:00:27pm

re: #189 goddamnedfrank

If Trump’s real goal is to make his name even more prominent, so that he will be remembered - a completely ego driven wish - then he’s doing quite fine.

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goddamnedfrank Jul 12, 2015 • 2:00:37pm

re: #117 BeachDem

Is it too presumptuous to request that all plot-revealing comments about Go Set a Watchman be posted as spoilers?

I’m trying hard to avoid all reviews, reports and noise until I’ve actually read the book.

(I know, probably impossible unless I shut down my computer for a week. Sigh.)

Sorry.

Click to Reveal

Miss Maudie Atkinson is a sexy mature ninja assassin in the new book.

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Decatur Deb Jul 12, 2015 • 2:02:31pm

re: #189 goddamnedfrank

Trumps biggest problem is that he’s running a sprint pace in an Ultra-marathon that hasn’t even yet began. He’s also forcing the rest of the field to respond to this unsustainable cadence. I can’t see it ending well for the Republican field. Because when the correction finally comes and they all are forced to condemn Trumps racist bullshit it will be both too late and will alienate all the rabid supporters who find his rhetoric compelling.

I don’t really think Hillary is going to get 65%, but I do think it’s going to take a remarkably unlikely chain of events to produce a truly competitive Republican candidate.

Trump is a national treasure, but he’s going to disappear up his own asshole before the last primary debate. We are so passionately divided, while the middle is asleep, that either party starts at 40-45%.

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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸ Jul 12, 2015 • 2:02:45pm

has the government of mexico seen fit to address these accusations that it is “sending” criminals and drug addicts to the united states?

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goddamnedfrank Jul 12, 2015 • 2:03:38pm

re: #190 freetoken

If Trump’s real goal is to make his name even more prominent, so that he will be remembered - a completely ego driven wish - then he’s doing quite fine.

Sure but he’s also demonstrating the difference between prominence and marketability. If his goal is to corner the racist white oldfucker demographic fine, but the retailers running away from him absolutely crunched the numbers beforehand.

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PhillyPretzel Jul 12, 2015 • 2:04:22pm

re: #191 goddamnedfrank

I know she had a “killer” recipe for Lane Cake but I did not think she would go that far to keep it. Psst. America’s Test Kitchen has a simplified recipe for it.

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teleskiguy Jul 12, 2015 • 2:04:42pm

What did Trump do after his Phoenix rally? He sat down with @costareports for expletive-laden interview on his 757. http://t.co/s40a0z9tJq

— Philip Rucker (@PhilipRucker) July 12, 2015

They see somebody who’s going to turn the country around — somebody who has the ability to turn this country around. They’re tired of the incompetence. When you see my [financial] statement, you’ll be very impressed. That’s why it’s important. Let’s say I was worth $10. People would say, “Who the [expletive] are you?” You understand? They know my statement. Fortune. My book, “The Art of the Deal,” based on my fortune. If I didn’t make a fortune, who the [expletive] is going to buy “The Art of the Deal”? That’s why they watched “The Apprentice,” because of my great success.

[…]

What the [expletive] else do you have? Are you finished yet?

[Trump turns back to Fox, which is again covering the accused San Francisco killer. “Look at this animal. Now he’s claiming innocence. He’s got the lawyer now,” Trump said. He stands up and opens another Coke, not to go on record again.]

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freetoken Jul 12, 2015 • 2:04:48pm

re: #194 goddamnedfrank

Perhaps he’s at an age where he decides he’d rather be remembered after he’s gone, rather than have maximized his annual net income.

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goddamnedfrank Jul 12, 2015 • 2:06:08pm

re: #197 freetoken

Perhaps he’s at an age where he decides he’d rather be remembered after he’s gone, rather than have maximized his annual net income.

Perhaps he’s just what he appears to be, an old hateful floppily vagina.

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Backwoods_Sleuth Jul 12, 2015 • 2:06:21pm

oh.

@BNLieb @prowhitesunite @ChuckCJohnson it is the single most effective meme that the white nationalist sphere of thought propagates.

— Andrew Auernheimer (@rabite) July 11, 2015

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De Kolta Chair Jul 12, 2015 • 2:06:57pm

re: #180 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

My alltime favorite is Preston Sturges, but for the combination of quantity and quality, Billy Wilder wins hands down.

Sturges of course had a brilliant run during the war years, and he was quite the character.

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wrenchwench Jul 12, 2015 • 2:07:18pm

re: #193 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸

has the government of mexico seen fit to address these accusations that it is “sending” criminals and drug addicts to the united states?

They might be subsidizing those Trump piñatas.

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Decatur Deb Jul 12, 2015 • 2:08:07pm

re: #193 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸

has the government of mexico seen fit to address these accusations that it is “sending” criminals and drug addicts to the united states?

Mr. Trump has had his people research Cheech and Chong documentaries.

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jaunte Jul 12, 2015 • 2:09:11pm

Trump when asked about his using the slogan, “the silent majority” pic.twitter.com/ceHb6ny2WC

— TV's Brendan James (@deep_beige) July 12, 2015

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Romantic Heretic Jul 12, 2015 • 2:10:27pm

re: #119 Belafon

BLOOM COUNTY:

dailykos.com

Hooray!

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PhillyPretzel Jul 12, 2015 • 2:10:45pm

re: #203 jaunte

he is wrong. Trump will be a flash in the pan.

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De Kolta Chair Jul 12, 2015 • 2:11:12pm

re: #184 blueraven

Indeed. Both extremely witty comedies. Fine writing and acting.

I’ve always found it fascinating and contradictory that a factory could produce so many great films.

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jaunte Jul 12, 2015 • 2:11:13pm

“I’ll also get the Hispanics, you watch.”

I’ll wager Mr. Trump, net worth to net worth, that he will not ‘get’ the majority of Hispanic votes.

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b.d. Jul 12, 2015 • 2:13:09pm

re: #205 PhillyPretzel

he is wrong. Trump will be a flash in the pan.

I’ve been waiting for Trump to shut up and go away for at least 30 years now.

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BongCrodny Jul 12, 2015 • 2:13:39pm

Dear Mr. Trump:

As one of your most fervent supporters since Day One, I note with awe your recent rise to the top of some Presidential polls. You alone are the one candidate who can restore this country to the ideals that exist in my head.

I suppose some days you must look back and think how easy it would have been to quit after your first, second, third or fourth bankruptcies. But you didn’t! Likewise, how easy it would have been to quit after your first or second marriages. But you didn’t! You got right back on that horse! (Please don’t think I am comparing the lovely Mrs. Trump III to a horse! I’m just kidding!! When you take the Oath of Office in 2017, maybe she will become known as the “First Babe”!)

When the time is ripe, I would propose you unveil the following list. If we can convince the other Republican candidates to sit out the nominating process in a show of unity, we have a much better chance of avoiding a H-I-T-double-hockey-sticks-e-r-y Clinton presidency, if you get my drift.

While I haven’t figured out places for everyone, I’m sure you’ll agree that this list takes our candidates’ respective strengths (“the good guys”) and shoves them mercilessly in our opponents’ faces (“the bad guys”).

The President: Donald Trump
The Vice-President: Sarah Palin
Secretary of State: Ted Cruz
The Attorney General: Joe Arpaio
Secretary of the Treasury: Rick Scott
Secretary of Education: Mike Huckabee
Secretary of Defense: Ted Nugent
Secretary of Transportation: Chris Christie
Secretary of the Interior: Mark Sanford
Secretary of Commerce: Carly Fiorina
Health and Human Services: Ben Carson
Secretary of Agriculture: Cliven Bundy
Department of Labor: Rand Paul

Of course, when you have a bench as deep as ours, even if one candidate can’t serve there’s a mirth of candidates who can take his place. For example, the young Italian boy, Mario Rubio, or any of the twenty or thirty ex-Governors who are running.

In some, I hope you’ll give this proposal serious consideration, for it is only through you and you alone that we can truly finish America.

Very truly yours,
Bong J. Crodny

P.S. I just thought up the following slogan, you don’t have to pay me for it. How about a couple of passes to one of your golf courses? Or letting me say “Your Fired” when your show comes back on the air?

Anyway, the slogan is this: “Vote Donald, and think V-D!” Pretty good, huh?

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PhillyPretzel Jul 12, 2015 • 2:13:49pm

re: #208 b.d.

Hopefully this time it will work. I am very tired of his bragging.

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De Kolta Chair Jul 12, 2015 • 2:14:03pm

re: #177 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

I love My Favorite Wife. I didn’t even mind the 60s remake so much.

I like the remake as well. Doris Day is an underrated light comedian and James Garner, well, what’s not to like about James Garner?

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Decatur Deb Jul 12, 2015 • 2:14:25pm

re: #207 jaunte

I’ll wager Mr. Trump, net worth to net worth, that he will not ‘get’ the majority of Hispanic votes.

Depends on which Hispanics are allowed to vote.

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PhillyPretzel Jul 12, 2015 • 2:14:57pm

re: #211 De Kolta Chair

I still like the Rockford Files.

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ObserverArt Jul 12, 2015 • 2:15:11pm

Damn. I am getting the feeling we need to change the calendar and dates due to all this new greatness. A new epoch is upon us.

Everything before June 14, 1946 is now BT.

And that means we are in the year 69 AT.

BT - Before Trump

AT - After Trump

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Decatur Deb Jul 12, 2015 • 2:16:47pm

re: #209 BongCrodny

Well thought out. Especially like Sanford at Interior, where he can tend the Appalachian Trail.

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BeachDem Jul 12, 2015 • 2:17:26pm

re: #191 goddamnedfrank

Sorry.

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Heh

(I couldn’t resist clicking. Damn me!)

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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸ Jul 12, 2015 • 2:17:34pm

re: #203 jaunte

Silent Majority

calling teabaggers the ‘silent’ majority is surely one of the more laughable ironies i have ever heard

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BlueSpotinAL Jul 12, 2015 • 2:18:55pm

re: #195 PhillyPretzel

I know she had a “killer” recipe for Lane Cake but I did not think she would go that far to keep it. Psst. America’s Test Kitchen has a simplified recipe for it.

Made one. Not worth the fuss.

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#FergusonFireside Jul 12, 2015 • 2:20:43pm

re: #216 BeachDem

Heh

(I couldn’t resist clicking. Damn me!)

LOL

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stpaulbear Jul 12, 2015 • 2:24:09pm

re: #203 jaunte

“Nixon? Haha! I forgot about him!”

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Backwoods_Sleuth Jul 12, 2015 • 2:26:22pm

good feckin grief…what an asshole

Can't answer - and don't want to build an assumption into a question- but maybe Venus now wants children? Meds inhibit

— David Frum (@davidfrum) July 12, 2015

Not to allege against Serena - again I don't know- but she's not above the question

— David Frum (@davidfrum) July 12, 2015

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PhillyPretzel Jul 12, 2015 • 2:27:49pm

re: #221 Backwoods_Sleuth

OMG. I am sure he would have some negative remarks about Arthur Ashe.

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b.d. Jul 12, 2015 • 2:29:20pm

re: #221 Backwoods_Sleuth

Well that’s unfortunate : I seem to have posted publicly a private Twitter conversation with a friend. I’m taking the messages down …
— David Frum (@davidfrum) July 12, 2015

Yeah just delete them, that worked for Anthony Weiner.

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Backwoods_Sleuth Jul 12, 2015 • 2:29:28pm

re: #222 PhillyPretzel

OMG. I am sure he would have some negative remarks about Arthur Ashe.

Frum is “suggesting” that Serena uses steroids.

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wrenchwench Jul 12, 2015 • 2:30:04pm

re: #221 Backwoods_Sleuth

good feckin grief…what an asshole

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Well that’s unfortunate : I seem to have posted publicly a private Twitter conversation with a friend. I’m taking the messages down …

— David Frum (@davidfrum) July 12, 2015

not because I don’t stand behind them, but because they weren’t intended for the public domain.

— David Frum (@davidfrum) July 12, 2015

He’s an asshole, all right, but he just noticed his pants were down.

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PhillyPretzel Jul 12, 2015 • 2:30:16pm

re: #224 Backwoods_Sleuth

Okay.

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b.d. Jul 12, 2015 • 2:31:14pm

re: #225 wrenchwench

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He’s an asshole, all right, but he just noticed his pants were down.

I MEANT TO BE AN ASSHOLE IN PRIVATE!

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Decatur Deb Jul 12, 2015 • 2:31:44pm

re: #223 b.d.

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Yeah just delete them, that worked for Anthony Weiner.

//

Duplicitous little shit. It’s a good rule not to say anything ‘to a friend’ that you wouldn’t pin to the office bulletin board.

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ObserverArt Jul 12, 2015 • 2:34:46pm

David Frum…meet internet justice.

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wrenchwench Jul 12, 2015 • 2:35:43pm

re: #228 Decatur Deb

Duplicitous little shit. It’s a good rule not to say anything ‘to a friend’ that you wouldn’t pin to the office bulletin board.

Especially when you’re speculating about a woman you talk about as though she’s a brood mare.

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Backwoods_Sleuth Jul 12, 2015 • 2:37:02pm

re: #230 wrenchwench

Especially when you’re speculating about a woman you talk about as though she’s a brood mare.

And there’s no way a woman can get muscles unless she uses steroids…

*spit*

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#FergusonFireside Jul 12, 2015 • 2:37:03pm

Is he trending yet?

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge Jul 12, 2015 • 2:37:29pm

re: #230 wrenchwench

Especially when you’re speculating about a woman you talk about as though she’s a brood mare.

And could snap you like a twig.

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Backwoods_Sleuth Jul 12, 2015 • 2:40:44pm

oh, frum is getting hammered on twitter.

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b.d. Jul 12, 2015 • 2:42:02pm

re: #234 Backwoods_Sleuth

oh, frum is getting hammered on twitter.

I imagine he will handle it with the usual wingnut grace and class.

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blueraven Jul 12, 2015 • 2:42:18pm

How about we discuss the problem of ALL of Tennis using steroids, David Frum?

Or for that matter all pro athletes.

No, lets single out black women. Because shut up!

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wrenchwench Jul 12, 2015 • 2:42:35pm

re: #234 Backwoods_Sleuth

oh, frum is getting hammered on twitter.

Including by Gus!

Step away from the wine glass! https://t.co/fA1eeE6ng9

— Gus (@Gus_802) July 12, 2015

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Backwoods_Sleuth Jul 12, 2015 • 2:42:43pm

As I understand it, Frum’s theory is Serena must be on roids, because her appearance has changed since she went by the name Venus

— Dana Houle (@DanaHoule) July 12, 2015

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BeachDem Jul 12, 2015 • 2:42:58pm

re: #224 Backwoods_Sleuth

Frum is “suggesting” that Serena uses steroids.

Well—isn’t he fucking original// Assholes say that every time she wins a match.

Can’t remember exactly where or when, but there was, a while back, a great conversation among actual successful professional tennis players about how steroids would be not only ineffective but in many cases, counterproductive to tennis success.

Look at the Williams sisters when they were teenagers—their builds were always different. (And David Frum has almost always been an asshole!)

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De Kolta Chair Jul 12, 2015 • 2:44:13pm

re: #221 Backwoods_Sleuth

good feckin grief…what an asshole

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge Jul 12, 2015 • 2:44:22pm

re: #181 teleskiguy

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What’s funny about “Hold the Fart” is, when I was berating the guy who told me to hold something for “Don” Something-or-Other who turned out to be a woman named “Dawn” and made me look like an idiot, he honestly said he couldn’t hear the difference. I thought for a second and said: “So what you’re telling me is that you can’t hear the difference between ‘fort’ and ‘fart’?” Apparently he could…. This loss of the “ᴐ”-sound lately is a real tragedy.

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jaunte Jul 12, 2015 • 2:44:23pm

Saved. pic.twitter.com/1vjuCBhfgk

— Gus (@Gus_802) July 12, 2015

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Backwoods_Sleuth Jul 12, 2015 • 2:45:35pm

re: #242 jaunte

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I haz already saved it, too

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jaunte Jul 12, 2015 • 2:46:18pm

Thinking of questions that Frum is “not above.”

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wrenchwench Jul 12, 2015 • 2:46:26pm

Frum is jellis

Serena. Beyonce. 7/11. pic.twitter.com/774h7IsCxk

— deray mckesson (@deray) July 12, 2015

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PhillyPretzel Jul 12, 2015 • 2:46:42pm

re: #243 Backwoods_Sleuth

Nail the slime to the wall. /half

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De Kolta Chair Jul 12, 2015 • 2:47:07pm

re: #243 Backwoods_Sleuth

I haz already saved it, too

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Why the Williams sisters? Novak Djokovic seems more his type. ///

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Charles Johnson Jul 12, 2015 • 2:47:18pm

re: #221 Backwoods_Sleuth

good feckin grief…what an asshole

[Embedded content]

Notice again that embedding a tweet in a comment saves a text version of it, even if they delete the original tweet.

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Charles Johnson Jul 12, 2015 • 2:48:02pm

pic.twitter.com/GHnqBxUDwh

— darth!(TM) (@darth) July 12, 2015

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Backwoods_Sleuth Jul 12, 2015 • 2:48:31pm

re: #248 Charles Johnson

Notice again that embedding a tweet in a comment saves a text version of it, even if they delete the original tweet.

I also got the screenshot: #243 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Belafon Jul 12, 2015 • 2:50:00pm

re: #239 BeachDem

Can’t remember exactly where or when, but there was, a while back, a great conversation among actual successful professional tennis players about how steroids would be not only ineffective but in many cases, counterproductive to tennis success

That was an episode of Dragon Ball Z, when Cell fights Trunks.

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BeachDem Jul 12, 2015 • 2:51:06pm

David Frum is such a great mind—remember, his latest tome “Why Romney Lost” is described thusly:

WHY ROMNEY LOST is a forthright analysis that offers a bold, hopeful plan for Republican success in the years ahead. David Frum urges a Republican party that is culturally modern, economically inclusive, and environmentally responsible - a party that can meet the challenges of the Obama years and lead a diverse America to a new age of freedom and prosperity.

Not only does Frum not understand tennis, he has obviously never met any of today’s Republicans.

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De Kolta Chair Jul 12, 2015 • 2:51:18pm

re: #247 De Kolta Chair

Why the Williams sisters? Novak Djokovic seems more his type. ///

Never thought I’d ever want to apologize to Novak Djokovic.

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Varek Raith Jul 12, 2015 • 2:54:33pm

re: #251 Belafon

That was an episode of Dragon Ball Z, when Cell fights Trunks.

Vegeta figured it out. Why can’t you?

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ozharas Jul 12, 2015 • 2:59:06pm

so we’re all talking about this article in the NRA magazine, about Australia’s gun laws.

americas1stfreedom.org

The Australian people paid a massive price in liberty. Their reward? At best, an unexamined resolution that things were somehow better now.

Have you seen our death by gun rates, either intentional, accidental or self inflicted? I do not know of or have heard of, any effort/discussion/political belief of any kind to relax our gun laws - it would seem we’re all pretty comfortable with our massive price in liberty!

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De Kolta Chair Jul 12, 2015 • 3:00:49pm

BBL, got something I need to drink off at my local

Sometimes you eat the Serbian and sometimes the Serbian eats you.

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Backwoods_Sleuth Jul 12, 2015 • 3:02:52pm

*stares* pic.twitter.com/tqjWPzbWVo

— Copy McPasty,Creator (@KashannKilson) July 12, 2015

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Backwoods_Sleuth Jul 12, 2015 • 3:03:59pm

Layers of insults in those Frum tweets, but to imply that not only is she some freakish brute, but that she had to *cheat* to get there…

— Copy McPasty,Creator (@KashannKilson) July 12, 2015

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wrenchwench Jul 12, 2015 • 3:05:03pm

Want to get more girls interested in sports?

SHUT THE FUCK UP.

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teleskiguy Jul 12, 2015 • 3:05:09pm

Shots fired!

Mexican immigrants, as with all immigrants, have much lower crime rates than native born. Eg El Paso safest city in U.S. Trump wrong.

— Rupert Murdoch (@rupertmurdoch) July 12, 2015

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Feline Fearless Leader Jul 12, 2015 • 3:10:11pm

re: #109 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸

‘the Hill’

Strategists say Bush is smart not to exchange haymakers with Trump, who has a reputation for escalating fights and not backing down.

“The best way is for Bush to continue to put Trump in his place by saying his comments are only intended to generate headlines, they’re not based in real facts,” said Ron Bonjean, a GOP strategist and former congressional GOP leadership aide.

the call of the mild

When in the past 3-4 elections has a GOP candidate actually used “real” facts? Do they even know what they look like anymore?

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stpaulbear Jul 12, 2015 • 3:10:50pm

re: #260 teleskiguy

Shots fired!

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I was going to write that now t-baggers have to choose, but then I remembered that t-baggers never have to choose.

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jaunte Jul 12, 2015 • 3:13:28pm

re: #260 teleskiguy

Rupert vs. the id of the GOP.

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bratwurst Jul 12, 2015 • 3:15:23pm

re: #112 wrenchwench

STATES RIGHTS!!

But cities? NOOOOO!

There love of “states rights” is entirely dependent on just what that state is up to in any case…as we have learned with same sex marriage and marijuana.

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Feline Fearless Leader Jul 12, 2015 • 3:18:00pm

re: #193 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸

has the government of mexico seen fit to address these accusations that it is “sending” criminals and drug addicts to the united states?

They just tell each other the Mexican equivalent of “Jake, it’s Chinatown.” since that’s been the Texas/Arizona/New Mexico border political rhetoric for about a century now.

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b.d. Jul 12, 2015 • 3:19:51pm

re: #260 teleskiguy

Shots fired!

[Embedded content]

FoxNews has always been establishment GOP!

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge Jul 12, 2015 • 3:20:01pm

re: #264 bratwurst

There love of “states rights” is entirely dependent on just what that state is up to in any case…as we have learned with same sex marriage and marijuana.

A “State” is nothing but land. The right wingers think land should be able to vote—that’s why they love those red/blue maps and are so butthurt that their greater land area doesn’t win elections. “Cities” on the other hand, are where people are—and some of them are those people. Cities shouldn’t count because ~~voter fraud~~ ~~voting for a living~~ ~~welfare plantation~~ reasons.

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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸ Jul 12, 2015 • 3:20:54pm

re: #261 Feline Fearless Leader

When in the past 3-4 elections has a GOP candidate actually used “real” facts? Do they even know what they look like anymore?

dont worry - only the best rnc-approved, corporate-friendly facts will be used

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blueraven Jul 12, 2015 • 3:22:52pm

re: #263 jaunte

Rupert vs. the id of the GOP.

Working hard to SAVE the GOP, along with Fox news.
They will do everything they can to keep Trump off the debate stage.

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Backwoods_Sleuth Jul 12, 2015 • 3:23:10pm

From yesterday:

Steroids? Oh no, no, no. “Body image issues.” http://t.co/40W01g14n7

— David Frum (@davidfrum) July 11, 2015

Serena Williams’ “rivals could try to emulate her physique, but most of them choose not to.” http://t.co/40W01g14n7

— David Frum (@davidfrum) July 11, 2015

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jaunte Jul 12, 2015 • 3:24:23pm

re: #269 blueraven

Working hard to SAVE the GOP, along with Fox news.
They will do everything they can to keep Trump off the debate stage.

It will be interesting to see everyone at Fox tying themselves in knots to reverse course on the ‘evil immigrants’ messaging.

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WhatEVs Jul 12, 2015 • 3:24:29pm

re: #263 jaunte

Rupert vs. the id of the GOP.

Rupert vs the monster he created.

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blueraven Jul 12, 2015 • 3:26:45pm

re: #271 jaunte

It will be interesting to see everyone at Fox tying themselves in knots to reverse course on the ‘evil immigrants’ messaging.

Yep. Every time I fly by with the remote, all I see is the mug shot of that killer in SF.

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wrenchwench Jul 12, 2015 • 3:27:21pm

Dead thread historical info:

Behind the lines: Invisible scars left by Oka Crisis 25 years later http://t.co/ys7TnrRrX4 by @cbcnews pic.twitter.com/VN2imCN4Rv

— Bob Joseph (@wewap) July 12, 2015

First Nations groups mark 25 years since Oka Crisis http://t.co/YsgxBEWC3d by @CTVNews pic.twitter.com/LbcDSQzq34

— Bob Joseph (@wewap) July 12, 2015

[…]

On July 11, 1990, my world became a lot more black and white as a writer and journalist. The actions of Canada and Quebec shattered most of the illusions I’d been taught about a “Just Society”, the “rule of law”, and “honour of the Crown.”

The curtain pulled back that summer to reveal too many shabby people exercising power over life and death in order to preserve the status quo and white privilege.

[…]

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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸ Jul 12, 2015 • 3:27:26pm

re: #271 jaunte

It will be interesting to see everyone at Fox tying themselves in knots to reverse course on the ‘evil immigrants’ messaging.

re: #272 WhatEVs

Rupert vs the monster he created.

reminds me of the plot of Forbidden Planet

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aagcobb Jul 12, 2015 • 3:30:18pm

re: #189 goddamnedfrank

Trumps biggest problem is that he’s running a sprint pace in an Ultra-marathon that hasn’t even yet began. He’s also forcing the rest of the field to respond to this unsustainable cadence. I can’t see it ending well for the Republican field. Because when the correction finally comes and they all are forced to condemn Trumps racist bullshit it will be both too late and will alienate all the rabid supporters who find his rhetoric compelling.

I don’t really think Hillary is going to get 65%, but I do think it’s going to take a remarkably unlikely chain of events to produce a truly competitive Republican candidate.

I have to agree with you. Compared to 2012 there will be a lower percentage of white voters, and its hard to imagine Hillary getting a smaller share of the white vote than Obama did. This makes the GOP nominee’s path to 270 electoral votes very narrow considering how assiduously the GOP is burning its bridges to minority voters.

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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸ Jul 12, 2015 • 3:33:42pm

re: #276 aagcobb

I have to agree with you. Compared to 2012 there will be a lower percentage of white voters, and its hard to imagine Hillary getting a smaller share of the white vote than Obama did. This makes the GOP nominee’s path to 270 electoral votes very narrow considering how assiduously the GOP is burning its bridges to minority voters.

actually even though it hasnt been mentioned yet, there is quite a bit of inter-minority racism between hispanics and african-americans that may affect this equation

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aagcobb Jul 12, 2015 • 3:38:21pm

re: #252 BeachDem

David Frum is such a great mind—remember, his latest tome “Why Romney Lost” is described thusly:

WHY ROMNEY LOST is a forthright analysis that offers a bold, hopeful plan for Republican success in the years ahead. David Frum urges a Republican party that is culturally modern, economically inclusive, and environmentally responsible - a party that can meet the challenges of the Obama years and lead a diverse America to a new age of freedom and prosperity.

Not only does Frum not understand tennis, he has obviously never met any of today’s Republicans.

If Frum wants a culturally modern, economically inclusive and environmentally responsible party, why doesn’t he just become a Democrat?

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Eric The Fruit Bat Jul 12, 2015 • 3:39:10pm

re: #119 Belafon

Oh. My. God.

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aagcobb Jul 12, 2015 • 3:41:30pm

re: #269 blueraven

Working hard to SAVE the GOP, along with Fox news.
They will do everything they can to keep Trump off the debate stage.

I don’t know; the ratings will be much better if Trump is there. Everyone wants to watch that trainwreck.

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Decatur Deb Jul 12, 2015 • 3:42:07pm

re: #278 aagcobb

If Frum wants a culturally modern, economically inclusive and environmentally responsible party, why doesn’t he just become a Democrat?

He is a committed data point on the Axis of Weevils.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge Jul 12, 2015 • 3:48:57pm

re: #276 aagcobb

I have to agree with you. Compared to 2012 there will be a lower percentage of white voters, and its hard to imagine Hillary getting a smaller share of the white vote than Obama did. This makes the GOP nominee’s path to 270 electoral votes very narrow considering how assiduously the GOP is burning its bridges to minority voters.

There’s nothing in the constitution to prevent state legislatures from handing their Electoral votes to anybody they want, regardless of the popular vote. I expect some serious jiggery-pokery there.

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blueraven Jul 12, 2015 • 3:49:33pm

re: #280 aagcobb

I don’t know; the ratings will be much better if Trump is there. Everyone wants to watch that trainwreck.

Oh I think he will be there, but there will be more people openly trashing him. You know, fair and balanced. /

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Pawn of the Oppressor Jul 12, 2015 • 4:11:35pm

re: #258 Backwoods_Sleuth

“FREAKY WILD NEGRESS DOMINATING TENNIS! COULD IT BE, MMM, SATAN???”

They just can’t help it. White male supremacy defends itself by reflexively undercutting any and all threats. No insult or degradation is out of the toolbox.

On the subject of tennis physique, though - I didn’t realize until I saw the photo of Serena next to J.K. Rowling, how built she actually is. On TV tennis players always look small. I’ve never seen a pro player up close. But it makes sense that a woman who can hit a little fuzzy ball up to 120mph would be pretty solid. :)

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BeachDem Jul 12, 2015 • 4:17:33pm

re: #284 Pawn of the Oppressor

“FREAKY WILD NEGRESS DOMINATING TENNIS! COULD IT BE, MMM, SATAN???”

They just can’t help it. White male supremacy defends itself by reflexively undercutting any and all threats. No insult or degradation is out of the toolbox.

On the subject of tennis physique, though - I didn’t realize until I saw the photo of Serena next to J.K. Rowling, how built she actually is. On TV tennis players always look small. I’ve never seen a pro player up close. But it makes sense that a woman who can hit a little fuzzy ball up to 120mph would be pretty solid. :)

Ben Rothenberg, who wrote the NY Times article, has a book called The Stylish Life: Tennis An entire culture has developed around this chic pastime. Witness a whole pantheon of tennis legends who combine athleticism with stylish flair while experiencing the charisma of such modern stars as Maria Sharapova and the charm of all-time great Arthur Ashe. From Wimbledon to other prestigious venues around the globe, tennis courts are a place to see and be seen…

And speaking of career paths that make one go “huh?” Rothenberg has an anthropology degree and was a Census Bureau leader and a loan transfer coordinator before becoming a “writer.” Just the man I want expounding on female athletes and their body types. Spit.

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funky chicken Jul 12, 2015 • 4:19:49pm

re: #35 darthstar

Hello? Family values…duh.

Hahahahahahaha

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Jay C Jul 12, 2015 • 4:39:40pm

re: #282 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

There’s nothing in the constitution to prevent state legislatures from handing their Electoral votes to anybody they want, regardless of the popular vote. I expect some serious jiggery-pokery there.

Hence the latest brainstorm (though it’s actually been around a while) percolating through Republican-dominated State Legislatures around the country to go to a “proportional EV” system: i.e. one where EVs are allocated to Presidential candidates basically by Congressional district, vs. the usual winner-take-all deal now current in all but one State (?Maine?)

IOW, gerrymandering Presidential elections just like they do for Congress and statehouses…..

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge Jul 12, 2015 • 4:47:10pm

re: #287 Jay C

Hence the latest brainstorm (though it’s actually been around a while) percolating through Republican-dominated State Legislatures around the country to go to a “proportional EV” system: i.e. one where EVs are allocated to Presidential candidates basically by Congressional district, vs. the usual winner-take-all deal now current in all but one State (?Maine?)

IOW, gerrymandering Presidential elections just like they do for Congress and statehouses…..

When they want to sound halfway respectable, they talk about giving an Electoral vote to the winner in each Congressional District, and the two unearned votes they get for having two senators to the winner of the statewide Popular vote.

I’ve seen mutterings, though, that the Constitution allows State Legislatures to distribute Electoral votes “as they shall determine”, and that means a majority vote in the lege could give all of a state’s votes to the loser of the Popular vote. I think they’re arrogant enough to do it—in Wisconsin, for example.

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Virginia Dreaming Jul 12, 2015 • 5:37:55pm

I think the most appropriate quote to apply here is from Foundation by Isaac Asimov. Violence is the last refuge of the incompetent.

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Eric The Fruit Bat Jul 12, 2015 • 6:40:02pm

re: #237 wrenchwench

@davidfrum And here we thought you Canadians were more evolved than us slackjawked Yanks. Guess you're just as racist as we are.

— Eric The Fruit Bat (@ericdafruitbat) July 13, 2015

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aagcobb Jul 12, 2015 • 7:08:12pm

re: #282 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

There’s nothing in the constitution to prevent state legislatures from handing their Electoral votes to anybody they want, regardless of the popular vote. I expect some serious jiggery-pokery there.

I really can’t see any state legislature simply canceling the presidential vote and handing their electoral votes to the GOP candidate, even if the Constitution allows it. The backlash would be enormous.

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John_Manyjars Jul 12, 2015 • 11:09:59pm

re: #45 Dark_Falcon

They make exceptions to screw over American workers and unions, of course…

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Eventual Carrion Jul 13, 2015 • 6:25:47am

re: #264 bratwurst

There love of “states rights” is entirely dependent on just what that state is up to in any case…as we have learned with same sex marriage and marijuana.

And physician assisted end of life.

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