Iran Nuclear Deal Reached, Conservatives Predictably Freak Out

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The deal has been reached; in the video above, President Obama explains the rationale and provisions of the agreement.

As I’m sure everyone knows, conservatives all across America are predicting doom and destruction, like they always do about pretty much everything.

Also predictably freaking out: Benjamin Netanyahu.

But since Obama only needs one-third of Congress to back him on this, it’s almost certain to pass.

Here’s a thread for LGF readers to hash it out.

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327 comments
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darthstar  Jul 14, 2015 • 10:29:31am

They’re not freaking out…they’re just refocusing.

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Higgs Boson's Mate  Jul 14, 2015 • 10:30:11am

Neville Chamberlain.

There, I said it first.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 14, 2015 • 10:30:33am

Repost from downstairs:

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The Vicious Babushka  Jul 14, 2015 • 10:30:58am
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jaunte  Jul 14, 2015 • 10:31:02am
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Smith25's Liberal Thighs  Jul 14, 2015 • 10:31:03am

re: #3 Backwoods_Sleuth

Repost from downstairs:

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How soggy is it in your neck of the woods today?

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makeitstop  Jul 14, 2015 • 10:31:47am

re: #2 Higgs Boson’s Mate

Neville Chamberlain.

There, I said it first.

Nah. Jeb! tweeted about ‘appeasement’ earlier this morning.

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Iwouldprefernotto  Jul 14, 2015 • 10:32:13am

Thank You. I was really getting tired of seeing CCJ’s ugly mug.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 14, 2015 • 10:32:38am

re: #6 Smith25’s Liberal Thighs

How soggy is it in your neck of the woods today?

Very soggy. Got 1.22 inches of rain yesterday, now sitting under a flash flood watch and a severe thunderstorm watch, both until 8 pm.

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The Vicious Babushka  Jul 14, 2015 • 10:33:20am

I think the DEAD BABBY PARTS!!!!! is getting slightly more outrage than VALERIE JARRET GAVE IRAN ALL TEH NUKES!!!!!

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darthstar  Jul 14, 2015 • 10:33:25am

You know, for a lame duck president, he isn’t being very lame. And he’s certainly no duck.

And I have a hard time listing all of his accomplishments while in office.

OBL - dead
Iraq - we’re out
Afghanistan - we’re out(ish)
Cuba - embassies!
Healthcare - it’s the law!
DOW - +200%
Jobs - UE at 5.3%
Iran - no nukes!
DADT - gone
The list goes on…

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Mike Lamb  Jul 14, 2015 • 10:34:14am

re: #5 jaunte

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Well, he, of all people, should know better than that…

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darthstar  Jul 14, 2015 • 10:34:25am

re: #2 Higgs Boson’s Mate

Neville Chamberlain.

There, I said it first.

I liked him with the Lakers, but he did his best work with the 76ers.

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jaunte  Jul 14, 2015 • 10:34:35am

Treaties don’t work ‘cause the other side will cheat!
Laws don’t work because criminals don’t obey laws!!!.

Lately conservatives have turned to nihilists.

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Mike Lamb  Jul 14, 2015 • 10:35:24am

Biden’s “I wish a mothafucka’ would!” look is pretty outstanding.

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The Vicious Babushka  Jul 14, 2015 • 10:35:30am

I don’t suppose it has occurred to anyone, except maybe normal people, that Iran is a natural ally against ISIS

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Higgs Boson's Mate  Jul 14, 2015 • 10:36:25am

re: #13 darthstar

I liked him with the Lakers, but he did his best work with the 76ers.

Basketball fans of a certain age will never forget “Nev the Stilt.”

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Ian G.  Jul 14, 2015 • 10:36:27am

Anyone using “Munich” or “Chamberlain” immediately gets ignored by me. Especially since it’s the same usual suspects who said the exact same thing when St. Ronaldus of Hollywood negotiated arms reduction with the Soviets. Somehow, the Red Army didn’t end up in Paris. But they ended up OUT of Warsaw and Prague and Vilnius.

As for Netanyahu, maybe if he hadn’t used every opportunity available to be a colossal asshole to Obama, PBO might give a rat’s ass what he has to say.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 14, 2015 • 10:37:35am
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Iwouldprefernotto  Jul 14, 2015 • 10:37:47am

re: #11 darthstar

You know, for a lame duck president, he isn’t being very lame. And he’s certainly no duck.

And I have a hard time listing all of his accomplishments while in office.

OBL - dead
Iraq - we’re out
Afghanistan - we’re out(ish)
Cuba - embassies!
Healthcare - it’s the law!
DOW - +200%
Jobs - UE at 5.3%
Iran - no nukes!
DADT - gone
The list goes on…

Gay marriage legal
Confederate flag down

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Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Jul 14, 2015 • 10:37:58am

re: #16 The Vicious Babushka

I don’t suppose it has occurred to anyone, except maybe normal people, that Iran is a natural ally against ISIS

An Ally of our super new buddy Iraq as well.

But, nevermind.

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darthstar  Jul 14, 2015 • 10:38:11am

Oh, hey…apparently that Reagan account isn’t CCJ.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 14, 2015 • 10:38:44am

re: #20 Iwouldprefernotto

Gay marriage legal
Confederate flag down

He can sing and is dead accurate with satiric humor.

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Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Jul 14, 2015 • 10:38:44am

re: #14 jaunte

Treaties don’t work ‘cause the other side will cheat!
Laws don’t work because criminals don’t obey laws!!!.

Lately conservatives have turned to nihilists.

However, abortion must be outlawed.

/

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Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Jul 14, 2015 • 10:39:53am

re: #4 The Vicious Babushka

IBD. These people…

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Timothy Watson  Jul 14, 2015 • 10:40:10am

re: #14 jaunte

Treaties don’t work ‘cause the other side will cheat!
Laws don’t work because criminals don’t obey laws!!!.

Lately conservatives have turned to nihilists.

Neoconservativism: Schizophrenia applied to international relations. They’ll take the liberalism theory of Democratic Peace Theory and adopt the realism principle of always defecting (cheating) in a game theory situation.

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Higgs Boson's Mate  Jul 14, 2015 • 10:40:35am

re: #16 The Vicious Babushka

I don’t suppose it has occurred to anyone, except maybe normal people, that Iran is a natural ally against ISIS

Well it sure didn’t occur to the cons that Iraq served as a counterpoise to Iran’s ambitions in the region and I know that they’re dumber now than they were ten years ago so…

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The Vicious Babushka  Jul 14, 2015 • 10:40:52am
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darthstar  Jul 14, 2015 • 10:40:59am
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Ian G.  Jul 14, 2015 • 10:41:27am

re: #24 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse

However, abortion must be outlawed.

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And we need the 10 commandments in schools. Because criminals will obey the law if they’re taught not to covet their neighbor’s ox.

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The Vicious Babushka  Jul 14, 2015 • 10:41:33am
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The Vicious Babushka  Jul 14, 2015 • 10:41:46am

NEEDS MOAR GUILLOTINE!

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mr.fusion  Jul 14, 2015 • 10:42:22am

re: #11 darthstar

You know, for a lame duck president, he isn’t being very lame. And he’s certainly no duck.

And I have a hard time listing all of his accomplishments while in office.

OBL - dead
Iraq - we’re out
Afghanistan - we’re out(ish)
Cuba - embassies!
Healthcare - it’s the law!
DOW - +200%
Jobs - UE at 5.3%
Iran - no nukes!
DADT - gone
The list goes on…

But both parties are exactly the same!!!!

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darthstar  Jul 14, 2015 • 10:43:19am

re: #33 mr.fusion

But both parties are exactly the same!!!!

True. They both want to take credit for all of Obama’s accomplishments without giving him credit.

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Kid A  Jul 14, 2015 • 10:43:39am
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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Jul 14, 2015 • 10:44:07am

Predictably Freak

obviously, signing things and agreeing violates the iron rule of Bombing Is The Only Solution

nothing short of that will shut them up

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darthstar  Jul 14, 2015 • 10:44:09am
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lawhawk  Jul 14, 2015 • 10:44:38am

re: #16 The Vicious Babushka

The same people who think Iran is the number one destabilizer in the region because of their support for Hamas and Hizbullah (and back Assad in Syria) ignore that ISIL is a Sunni extremist group seeking to impose their version of Islam on the region and consider Shi’a apostates that are worthy for execution. They are among the targeted in Iraq, Syria, and elsewhere in the region.

The region is like playing 3d chess - there are moves behind moves and plays that take months and years to develop.

It’s not to say the deal is awesome and rainbows and kittens will be forthcoming, but a deal that creates a path to legitimacy for Iran’s nuclear program is better than one where Iran continues building towards nukes that it would likely seek to use not against Israel first, but against the Saudis and other Gulf States (who indirectly back ISIL and other Salafist terror groups, like AQ).

At the same time, a deal here could potentially bring Israel and Saudi Arabia closer due to shared interests (and a communal hatred of Iran, even though Israel as a majority minority country in a region that is mostly Muslim has more in common with Iran than Saudi Arabia). It has the potential to shake things up, but Netenyahu isn’t likely to move the needle on any kind of deal with the Palestinians or anyone else for that matter. He’s fine with the status quo, and will go after the deal because it robs him of a foil in Iran.

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jaunte  Jul 14, 2015 • 10:44:53am

re: #35 Kid A

Outrage fix of the morning. I can’t see anyone but rwnj posting about it.

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blueraven  Jul 14, 2015 • 10:45:25am

What the vast majority of Iran Hawks wanted was total capitulation from Iran.

Real world: That was never gonna happen without war, victory by US/west and complete surrender by Iran. And that is the biggest fantasy of all.

Sovereign nations that hold any power do not capitulate, they negotiate.

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Kid A  Jul 14, 2015 • 10:45:47am

re: #37 darthstar

APPEASEMENT!!!

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Targetpractice  Jul 14, 2015 • 10:46:17am

They keep using Chamberlain, demonstrating the complete historical illiteracy that blights our political landscape. Churchill must have gone to his grave with a shit-eating grin, knowing he’d conned generations of people across the globe into believing his self-serving version of history.

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Ace-o-aces  Jul 14, 2015 • 10:47:35am
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jaunte  Jul 14, 2015 • 10:47:39am

re: #42 Targetpractice

“A good army of 50,000 and sea-power—that is the end of the Turkish menace.”
history.com

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plansbandc  Jul 14, 2015 • 10:48:22am

As soon as you guys mentioned the OMG selling baby parts freak out, a lovely RMJ posted the vid “proof” on my timeline.

Every day, nothing but hate, lies, and outrage.

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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Jul 14, 2015 • 10:48:33am

re: #37 darthstar

Were his brother and Reagan ‘appeasing’ with their nuclear talks

but reagan appeased them with his scary reagan pants that magically made them do what he wanted

after that he gave them some arms and a cake

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Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Jul 14, 2015 • 10:48:51am

Also seeing on Twitters that a clerk person in Texas has resigned rather than sign off on marriages of already divorced persons SSM.

This is the greatest worst persecution of Christian anywhere of all time.

/

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darthstar  Jul 14, 2015 • 10:49:27am

re: #41 Kid A

APPEASEMENT!!!

If the GOP candidates want to get some screen time, they’re going to have to do better than throwing out Godwin references. Nobody’s going to take them seriously…even within their own party…especially if their panicked exclamations keep getting discounted so easily.

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lawhawk  Jul 14, 2015 • 10:49:58am

re: #43 Ace-o-aces

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Patricia Kayden  Jul 14, 2015 • 10:50:13am

re: #5 jaunte

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War War War. Or as McCain sang it, “Bomb bomb bomb bomb bomb Iran”

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scottslemmons  Jul 14, 2015 • 10:51:36am

re: #28 The Vicious Babushka

“A lot of people want liver”? I call shenanigans. I bet the entire thing has been staged.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jul 14, 2015 • 10:52:08am

re: #2 Higgs Boson’s Mate

Neville Chamberlain.

There, I said it first.

From Wonkette:

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Patricia Kayden  Jul 14, 2015 • 10:52:13am

re: #47 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse

Also seeing on Twitters that a clerk person in Texas has resigned rather than sign off on marriages of already divorced persons SSM.

This is the greatest worst persecution of Christian anywhere of all time.

/

Because requiring someone to do his/her job is persecution according to our Rightwing brethren. I wish Pharmacists who refuse to process requests for birth control pills on religious grounds would also be forced to resign or do their dang jobs.

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lawhawk  Jul 14, 2015 • 10:52:54am

Totally expected - of course, no alternative is suggested or implied. Only that the deal doesn’t benefit Israel.

It is possible that the deal might empower Hamas and Hizbullah as it frees up funds due to lifting of sanctions at some point down the road. That would harm Israel’s security goals, but it’s not like those groups haven’t started wars during the past few years when sanctions were already in place.

And if the rise of ISIL is a bigger threat to the region and Israel, then getting Iran into that fight might overcome the concerns the other way.

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Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Jul 14, 2015 • 10:53:34am

re: #39 jaunte

Outrage fix of the morning. I can’t see anyone but rwnj posting about it.

Lamestream media won’t report because owned by Obama and Soros covering up abortion holocaust!!!11

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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Jul 14, 2015 • 10:56:06am

apparently right wing ideology is more flexible than i thought

“A lot of these liberal churches that harbor illegal immigrants who are criminals say they are following the example of Jesus,” Jeffress, pastor of a 12,000-member megachurch in Dallas, said during a “Fox and Friends” segment on Sunday. Instead, “they are following the Jesus of their imagination rather than the Jesus of the Bible,” he said.

“Jesus was not this wimpy little guy who walked around munching sunflower seeds and saying nice things to people,” Jeffress said. “The real Jesus of the Bible said, ‘Render unto Caesar the things that are Caesar’s.’ That is: Obey the government.”

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ObserverArt  Jul 14, 2015 • 10:56:28am

re: #16 The Vicious Babushka

I don’t suppose it has occurred to anyone, except maybe normal people, that Iran is a natural ally against ISIS

Oh geez…don’t go throwing facts like that into a perfect good RWNJ freak-out.

I wonder how many people understand that at one time Iran had pretty good relations with America. Our putting puppets in there didn’t help much and when they needed a whipping boy to turn the country into a religion state we became that target.

Maybe they finally understand that we need each other like back when they saw us as someone they could trust on the global stage.

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Feline Fearless Leader  Jul 14, 2015 • 10:56:37am

re: #54 lawhawk

Totally expected - of course, no alternative is suggested or implied. Only that the deal doesn’t benefit Israel.

It is possible that the deal might empower Hamas and Hizbullah as it frees up funds due to lifting of sanctions at some point down the road. That would harm Israel’s security goals, but it’s not like those groups haven’t started wars during the past few years when sanctions were already in place.

And if the rise of ISIL is a bigger threat to the region and Israel, then getting Iran into that fight might overcome the concerns the other way.

And any sort of binding and long-lasting Middle East peace agreement is going to have to come from the governments of the Middle East. It is not going to happen due to outside governments prodding this or that country. I am still awaiting the citizens of the US, and especially the President, to realize this. For a while I thought Obama “got it” and wasn’t going to make the standard mistake of the administrations since Carter of thinking they were going to trigger some breakthrough deal that would cement their reputation as a foreign policy god.

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Iwouldprefernotto  Jul 14, 2015 • 10:56:38am

re: #36 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸

Predictably Freak

obviously, signing things and agreeing violates the iron rule of Bombing (AND TAX CUTS)* Is The Only Solution

nothing short of that will shut them up

*For the rich only.

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aagcobb  Jul 14, 2015 • 10:57:29am

re: #36 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸

Predictably Freak

obviously, signing things and agreeing violates the iron rule of Bombing Is The Only Solution

nothing short of that will shut them up

As we know from the Isis campaign, bombing won’t do it either; we’ll have to send in the ground troops.

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Feline Fearless Leader  Jul 14, 2015 • 10:57:34am

re: #56 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸

apparently right wing ideology is more flexible than i thought

“A lot of these liberal churches that harbor illegal immigrants who are criminals say they are following the example of Jesus,” Jeffress, pastor of a 12,000-member megachurch in Dallas, said during a “Fox and Friends” segment on Sunday. Instead, “they are following the Jesus of their imagination rather than the Jesus of the Bible,” he said.

“Jesus was not this wimpy little guy who walked around munching sunflower seeds and saying nice things to people,” Jeffress said. “The real Jesus of the Bible said, ‘Render unto Caesar the things that are Caesar’s.’ That is: Obey the government.”

I wonder if this guy said something similar during the Bundy Ranch standoff. I seriously doubt it.

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Charles Johnson  Jul 14, 2015 • 10:57:49am

re: #28 The Vicious Babushka

Just reading about this latest Planned Parenthood outrage. Has this already been debunked somewhere?

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jul 14, 2015 • 10:58:42am

re: #11 darthstar

You know, for a lame duck president, he isn’t being very lame. And he’s certainly no duck.

And I have a hard time listing all of his accomplishments while in office.

OBL - dead
Iraq - we’re out
Afghanistan - we’re out(ish)
Cuba - embassies!
Healthcare - it’s the law!
DOW - +200%
Jobs - UE at 5.3%
Iran - no nukes!
DADT - gone
The list goes on…

They’ve shot themselves in the foot. Most presidents have accomplishments like this in the first half of their first term. The GOP’s childish tantrums have managed to delay Obama’s peak till the second half of his second term.

The early-success-followed-by-sag pattern ordinarily has the electorate ready to switch horses by the end of 8 years—Obama is going to hand Hillary (probably) a much easier sell than the usual “stick with us even though our big wins were 6 and 8 years ago” that most same-party candidates have to try.

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Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Jul 14, 2015 • 10:58:46am

re: #56 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸

I wonder who Fox and Friends had on to offer an alternative view point.

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The Vicious Babushka  Jul 14, 2015 • 10:59:49am

HURR HURR TEH LITTLE ABORTED BABBY PARTS!!!!! has completely overwhelmed BOMBBOMBBOMBIRAN as the Outrage Du Jour.

Since this “BOMBSHELL” is only being echoed throughout the wingnutosphere and has not touched any mainstream outlets, it would not surprise me that it turns out to be complete bullshit.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 14, 2015 • 10:59:56am

re: #56 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸

apparently right wing ideology is more flexible than i thought

“A lot of these liberal churches that harbor illegal immigrants who are criminals say they are following the example of Jesus,” Jeffress, pastor of a 12,000-member megachurch in Dallas, said during a “Fox and Friends” segment on Sunday. Instead, “they are following the Jesus of their imagination rather than the Jesus of the Bible,” he said.

“Jesus was not this wimpy little guy who walked around munching sunflower seeds and saying nice things to people,” Jeffress said. “The real Jesus of the Bible said, ‘Render unto Caesar the things that are Caesar’s.’ That is: Obey the government.”

So, he’ll be shutting up now about how SCOTUS’s SSM decision “the greatest, most historic landmark blunder in the history of the United States Supreme Court”?

Didn’t think so…

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lawhawk  Jul 14, 2015 • 11:00:24am

Falling oil prices harm: Iran, Russia, and other countries that rely on oil for exports to raise revenues.

Falling oil prices benefit: purchasers/users of oil.

Not a complete list of benefits/harms

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darthstar  Jul 14, 2015 • 11:00:33am

re: #54 lawhawk

There’s a good reason Israel wasn’t included in the negotiations, and whether they accept the deal or not is irrelevant. Israel doesn’t trade with Iran, they don’t have a say in the embargoes on Iran, and they don’t have veto power on the UN Security council. They’d might as well be Palau.

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No Country For Old Haters  Jul 14, 2015 • 11:00:42am

re: #35 Kid A

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aagcobb  Jul 14, 2015 • 11:00:51am

re: #47 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse

Also seeing on Twitters that a clerk person in Texas has resigned rather than sign off on marriages of already divorced persons SSM.

This is the greatest worst persecution of Christian anywhere of all time.

/

I wish Kentucky clerks had the same integrity. A couple of them think they should keep getting taxpayer money for not doing their jobs.

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ObserverArt  Jul 14, 2015 • 11:01:05am

re: #18 Ian G.

Anyone using “Munich” or “Chamberlain” immediately gets ignored by me. Especially since it’s the same usual suspects who said the exact same thing when St. Ronaldus of Hollywood negotiated arms reduction with the Soviets. Somehow, the Red Army didn’t end up in Paris. But they ended up OUT of Warsaw and Prague and Vilnius.

As for Netanyahu, maybe if he hadn’t used every opportunity available to be a colossal asshole to Obama, PBO might give a rat’s ass what he has to say.

He can always turn to his new buddy John Boehner for a new rat’s ass. Boehner knows his asses…he has control of a majority of the rats in the House of Reps.

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withak  Jul 14, 2015 • 11:01:39am

re: #62 Charles Johnson

Just reading about this latest Planned Parenthood outrage. Has this already been debunked somewhere?

I was wondering the same thing; hoping to give my nurse friend, who works at PP, some ammo if she’s confronted with this BS.

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darthstar  Jul 14, 2015 • 11:02:09am

re: #67 lawhawk

[Embedded content]

Falling oil prices harm: Iran, Russia, and other countries that rely on oil for exports to raise revenues.

Falling oil prices benefit: purchasers/users of oil.

Not a complete list of benefits/harms

Falling oil prices also help GM, Ford, etc. with truck sales, and falling oil prices help airlines with buying futures so they can keep fuel costs low.

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darthstar  Jul 14, 2015 • 11:02:37am

Oh yeah, and falling oil prices make driving my old International that much more fun.

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scottslemmons  Jul 14, 2015 • 11:02:39am

re: #65 The Vicious Babushka

Did I hear it came from Life News? As in one of the outfits run by James O’Keefe’s ex-girlfriend?

I’m assuming it’s highly selectively edited, if they haven’t just started hiring actors to help them fake up stories.

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Targetpractice  Jul 14, 2015 • 11:03:08am

History does truly seem to be repeating itself, as the hawks of the 1930s were also convinced that Germany’s appearance and proclamations of power were a bluff. That all they had to do was march out the troops and put on a show of force and the Germans would fold up like an umbrella. And if that didn’t work, then the resulting war would be short, the boys back home by Christmas, and they’d put that little hopped-up corporal in his place.

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The Vicious Babushka  Jul 14, 2015 • 11:03:35am

re: #75 scottslemmons

Did I hear it came from Life News? As in one of the outfits run by James O’Keefe’s ex-girlfriend?

I’m assuming it’s highly selectively edited, if they haven’t just started hiring actors to help them fake up stories.

The video originated at LifeNews which is a bullshit wingnut pro-fetus site.

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Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Jul 14, 2015 • 11:03:37am

re: #75 scottslemmons

Did I hear it came from Life News? As in one of the outfits run by James O’Keefe’s ex-girlfriend?

I’m assuming it’s highly selectively edited, if they haven’t just started hiring actors to help them fake up stories.

Nothing on CNN yet.

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darthstar  Jul 14, 2015 • 11:03:48am
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lawhawk  Jul 14, 2015 • 11:03:55am

re: #68 darthstar

There’s a good reason Israel wasn’t included in the negotiations, and whether they accept the deal or not is irrelevant. Israel doesn’t trade with Iran, they don’t have a say in the embargoes on Iran, and they don’t have veto power on the UN Security council. They’d might as well be Palau.

And having them involved in those talks would have gotten Israel’s own nuclear program/ambitions under a microscope they didn’t want.

They have their own opportunity to work out an arrangement of their own if they want.

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The Vicious Babushka  Jul 14, 2015 • 11:05:43am

re: #78 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse

Nothing on CNN yet.

No press release at plannedparenthood.org and nothing on their Twitter feed @PPact

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darthstar  Jul 14, 2015 • 11:06:50am

re: #80 lawhawk

And having them involved in those talks would have gotten Israel’s own nuclear program/ambitions under a microscope they didn’t want.

They have their own opportunity to work out an arrangement of their own if they want.

I think the IAEA should be allowed to inspect Israel’s facilities. Think that will ever happen?

They keep saying Israel is the US’s strongest ally in the Middle East on TV…but they sure don’t act like an ally.

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aagcobb  Jul 14, 2015 • 11:06:57am

re: #68 darthstar

There’s a good reason Israel wasn’t included in the negotiations, and whether they accept the deal or not is irrelevant. Israel doesn’t trade with Iran, they don’t have a say in the embargoes on Iran, and they don’t have veto power on the UN Security council. They’d might as well be Palau.

I took Netanyahu’s statement as a veiled threat to bomb Iran. I don’t expect him to actually do so. I do expect him to be stumping for the GOP nominee next year, however.

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darthstar  Jul 14, 2015 • 11:07:42am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 14, 2015 • 11:08:28am

re: #62 Charles Johnson

Just reading about this latest Planned Parenthood outrage. Has this already been debunked somewhere?

It sounds a lot like the Romney/Stericycle thing has been reincarnated.

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Jul 14, 2015 • 11:09:00am

re: #37 darthstar

“Were his brother and Reagan ‘appeasing’ with their nuclear talks, or is this a word Jeb reserves for Democrats?”

Republicans negotiate from a position of superior strength and fear of retaliation, Democrats negotiate out of fear, guilt and appeasement.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jul 14, 2015 • 11:09:05am

re: #65 The Vicious Babushka

HURR HURR TEH LITTLE ABORTED BABBY PARTS!!!!! has completely overwhelmed BOMBBOMBBOMBIRAN as the Outrage Du Jour.

Since this “BOMBSHELL” is only being echoed throughout the wingnutosphere and has not touched any mainstream outlets, it would not surprise me that it turns out to be complete bullshit.

Probably a James O’Keefe joint.

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Smith25's Liberal Thighs  Jul 14, 2015 • 11:11:37am

From Media Matters:

Fox Host Criticizes Potential Iran Nuclear Deal For Being Too Long

Fox’s Jedidiah Bila: “Anything That’s 100 Pages Or Over, The Second I Hear That, It’s Like, Stop. It Reminds Me Of Obamacare.”

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Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Jul 14, 2015 • 11:11:39am

re: #87 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

Probably a James O’Keefe joint.

OK, seeing a statement from PP on the Twitters….

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ObserverArt  Jul 14, 2015 • 11:12:45am

re: #58 Feline Fearless Leader

And any sort of binding and long-lasting Middle East peace agreement is going to have to come from the governments of the Middle East. It is not going to happen due to outside governments prodding this or that country. I am still awaiting the citizens of the US, and especially the President, to realize this. For a while I thought Obama “got it” and wasn’t going to make the standard mistake of the administrations since Carter of thinking they were going to trigger some breakthrough deal that would cement their reputation as a foreign policy god.

Do you really see it that way? I think Obama is simply thinking it is better to have relations than not and that all the sanction haven’t done anything to improve the region or control Iran all that much. In a way, it is sort of how he views Cuba. I believe Obama is just being realistic which hasn’t been a part of American foreign policy in quite some time. The region is a mess, we helped make it that way, so it is best to start to repair things as best as possible instead of just threatening wars.

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lawhawk  Jul 14, 2015 • 11:12:58am

re: #88 Smith25’s Liberal Thighs

Yeah, because the conservatives attention span is shorter than a gnat’s.

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aagcobb  Jul 14, 2015 • 11:13:07am

re: #88 Smith25’s Liberal Thighs

From Media Matters:

Fox Host Criticizes Potential Iran Nuclear Deal For Being Too Long

The stupid, it burns!

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The Vicious Babushka  Jul 14, 2015 • 11:13:48am

OK #tcot is wall to wall BABBY PARTS!!!!!!

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Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Jul 14, 2015 • 11:14:13am

re: #89 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse

OK, seeing a statement from PP on the Twitters….

PP says (paraphrase):
Video from the usual suspects is heavily edited, etc, that PP, like many health organizations and their patients voluntarily donate tissue for scientific research to find treatments and cures for diseases, etc.

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Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Jul 14, 2015 • 11:15:17am

re: #88 Smith25’s Liberal Thighs

From Media Matters:

Fox Host Criticizes Potential Iran Nuclear Deal For Being Too Long

But they still know the deal = Appeasement.

//

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The Vicious Babushka  Jul 14, 2015 • 11:15:51am

I can’t find this statement on @PPFA

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ObserverArt  Jul 14, 2015 • 11:16:04am

Eeek! The lights in the sky are dimming and it is getting loud outside. Looks like a pretty strong line of thunderstorms are about to slam into Columbus. Might have to shut down until it passes.

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Kid A  Jul 14, 2015 • 11:16:05am
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scottslemmons  Jul 14, 2015 • 11:16:30am

I hear Planned Parenthood sold baby parts to Hollywood!

LOOK AT THE BABY PARTS!

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Khal Wimpo  Jul 14, 2015 • 11:17:23am

re: #92 aagcobb

The stupid, it burns!

The bailout in ‘08 was bad because it was only 3 pages long.

The treaty with Iran is bad because it’s more than 100 pages long.

Your modern GOP: toddlers who like their narratives with big shiny color pictures, and not too many words, because otherwise that makes their lips get tired.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 14, 2015 • 11:17:24am

re: #97 ObserverArt

Eeek! The lights in the sky are dimming and it is getting loud outside. Looks like a pretty strong line of thunderstorms are about to slam into Columbus. Might have to shut down until it passes.

yep, you have a severe thunderstorm warning right now. There’s a tornado warning just NE of you.

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The Vicious Babushka  Jul 14, 2015 • 11:19:18am

I Googled the text of that “statement from Eric Ferrero” but can’t find it.

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Feline Fearless Leader  Jul 14, 2015 • 11:19:20am

re: #90 ObserverArt

Do you really see it that way? I think Obama is simply thinking it is better to have relations than not and that all the sanction haven’t done anything to improve the region or control Iran all that much. In a way, it is sort of how he views Cuba. I believe Obama is just being realistic which hasn’t been a part of American foreign policy in quite some time. The region is a mess, we helped make it that way, so it is best to start to repair things as best as possible instead of just threatening wars.

I think Obama has a better grasp than most. And the rhetoric hasn’t reached the other levels. And with Israel being totally intent on not making an agreement it’s obvious that there will not be much progress as long as the current set of players are in charge.

(Which does make sense for Israel in terms of the Palestinians since they are caught in a cycle of violence-truce-distrust with each other. What Israel has to do, in my opinion, is work low-key and with the other Arab nations to find the places where they have common ground and common interests. Everything will have to be covert and unofficial I expect since there are 70+ years of hate rhetoric and a couple of generations of people raised within that environment who are not going to drop it overnight.)

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lawhawk  Jul 14, 2015 • 11:19:28am

re: #90 ObserverArt

There’s a bit of realism in Obama’s foreign policy to be sure. Cuba has no effect on US foreign policy generally, and normalized relations would improve trade and open up a market closed to the US for 50+ years. That could lead to significant economic opportunities for US businesses.

But Cuba doesn’t affect US security in the slightest at this point, and it should be clear by now that if the US can have normalized relations with Russia and China and Vietnam, then doing the same with Cuba is natural.

A deal with Iran is a different sort of beast - there are some reasons to oppose that deal - it gives wiggle room to allow Iran the ability to go nuclear and develop weapons (and you’d be able to work through the 150+ page document, many of which are just lists of individuals/organizations that are currently sanctioned or would have sanctions lifted).

That the opponents to this deal can’t formulate their own alternative plan to the deal speaks volumes - this is a bad situation that predated the Administration, and this is perhaps the best of the bad alternatives. It moves Iran towards a normalized nuclear position that is verifiable and open to inspectors. In many respects, that is what happened re: Iraq - the inspectors managed to stop and shut down the Iraqi nuclear weapons projects.

Another issue that requires closer examination is what happens to the money freed up by the deal once sanctions are lifted - does it go to militarization or economic improvements in Iran. Does it get funneled to Hamas or Hizbullah? Or do the Iranians take the fight to ISIL.

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Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Jul 14, 2015 • 11:21:02am

re: #96 The Vicious Babushka

I can’t find this statement on @PPFA

Me either.

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Charles Johnson  Jul 14, 2015 • 11:21:47am

OK, I’ve watched the whole video and it’s heavily edited. But she specifically mentions “tissue donations” at one point. Not selling.

This story is FAKE. Again.

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Romantic Heretic  Jul 14, 2015 • 11:22:07am

re: #44 jaunte

Now I’ve got this song in my head.

…

And this, a fine example of grace in victory.

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Feline Fearless Leader  Jul 14, 2015 • 11:22:20am

re: #104 lawhawk

A lot of that might involve looking closely at what Iran’s interests are. Given their age demographic they might be interested in turning those funds inwards towards economic development, internal markets, and improving their employment figures. The exterior agitation and America as “The Great Satan” propping up Israel will start to wear thin at some point.

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Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Jul 14, 2015 • 11:23:38am

re: #106 Charles Johnson

OK, I’ve watched the whole video and it’s heavily edited. But she specifically mentions “tissue donations” at one point. Not selling.

This story is FAKE. Again.

My surprise face…

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Higgs Boson's Mate  Jul 14, 2015 • 11:26:53am

re: #106 Charles Johnson

OK, I’ve watched the whole video and it’s heavily edited. But she specifically mentions “tissue donations” at one point. Not selling.

This story is FAKE. Again.

Ah, fuck. I was going to buy all the parts and then build a baby as a project.

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Romantic Heretic  Jul 14, 2015 • 11:27:30am

re: #76 Targetpractice

History does truly seem to be repeating itself, as the hawks of the 1930s were also convinced that Germany’s appearance and proclamations of power were a bluff. That all they had to do was march out the troops and put on a show of force and the Germans would fold up like an umbrella. And if that didn’t work, then the resulting war would be short, the boys back home by Christmas, and they’d put that little hopped-up corporal in his place.

Sixty million dead and they didn’t learn a thing.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jul 14, 2015 • 11:29:27am

I swear LGF is almost better than Snopes now. I see stupid stuff on FB and almost without fail, the next time I log on here it’s already been debunked. Y’all are awesome.

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The Vicious Babushka  Jul 14, 2015 • 11:29:44am

Dana is all HURR HURR WHENS CAN I GO OUT & SHOOTS THEM ALL WITH MAH GUNZ!!!!!!

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Dave In Austin  Jul 14, 2015 • 11:31:27am
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Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Jul 14, 2015 • 11:31:44am

re: #113 The Vicious Babushka

When are we going to address the charges that need to be brought against #PlannedParenthood for violating fed law?

Maybe after an investigation, court proceedings determine the validity of the charges.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 14, 2015 • 11:32:28am
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The Vicious Babushka  Jul 14, 2015 • 11:33:23am

They’re in a feeding frenzy for sure

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Targetpractice  Jul 14, 2015 • 11:33:24am

re: #115 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse

Maybe after an investigation, court proceedings determine the validity of the charges.

You have to remember we’re talking about the court of public opinion, which is what ended up crucifying ACORN. By the time the actual legal system determines there’s no basis for criminal or civil charges, PP will have been hung, drawn, and quartered in the press.

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Ace-o-aces  Jul 14, 2015 • 11:34:19am

re: #113 The Vicious Babushka

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The Vicious Babushka  Jul 14, 2015 • 11:34:27am
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ObserverArt  Jul 14, 2015 • 11:35:32am

Going to be some flooding around Columbus today. Just too wet not to be. My part of town is getting it right now. Rain is coming in sideways and hard. I just hope there is no hail. I hate hail.

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Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Jul 14, 2015 • 11:35:44am

re: #117 The Vicious Babushka

So do they know who “bought” the body parts and what the buyer did with the “parts”?

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Ace-o-aces  Jul 14, 2015 • 11:35:56am
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The Vicious Babushka  Jul 14, 2015 • 11:36:15am

Is there a link to the Eric Ferrero statement? I Googled it but nothing came up.

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Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Jul 14, 2015 • 11:36:30am

re: #117 The Vicious Babushka

Fischer. Dana. Nolte. The trifecta of misanthropic derp.

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Charles Johnson  Jul 14, 2015 • 11:36:37am
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Ace-o-aces  Jul 14, 2015 • 11:37:06am

re: #118 Targetpractice

You have to remember we’re talking about the court of public opinion, which is what ended up crucifying ACORN. By the time the actual legal system determines there’s no basis for criminal or civil charges, PP will have been hung, drawn, and quartered in the press.

ACORN was in bad shape already when O’Keefe came around. PP has been dealing with this kind of BS for decades.

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Charles Johnson  Jul 14, 2015 • 11:37:17am
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The Vicious Babushka  Jul 14, 2015 • 11:38:36am
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Amory Blaine  Jul 14, 2015 • 11:39:13am

Is there anything they won’t put in a bloody mary?

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Eventual Carrion  Jul 14, 2015 • 11:39:20am

re: #110 Higgs Boson’s Mate

Ah, fuck. I was going to buy all the parts and then build a baby as a project.

It’s terrible, but Johnny Cash’s “One part at a time” started going through my head after I read that.

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The Vicious Babushka  Jul 14, 2015 • 11:39:21am

HURR HURR LITTLE BABBY PARTS!!!!!! is now 80/20 over HURR HURR BOMBIRAN!!!! on Teh Twitters.

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Jayleia  Jul 14, 2015 • 11:39:31am

re: #79 darthstar

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Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Jul 14, 2015 • 11:39:39am

re: #124 The Vicious Babushka

Is there a link to the Eric Ferrero statement? I Googled it but nothing came up.

I wonder if that’s an old statement related to a prior video.

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Charles Johnson  Jul 14, 2015 • 11:39:55am

Already blocked seven raving nutjobs.

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The Vicious Babushka  Jul 14, 2015 • 11:40:39am

John Nolte is going through Charles’ timeline to find old stuff he can Derp about.
Is this targeted harassment?

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Dave In Austin  Jul 14, 2015 • 11:41:26am
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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Jul 14, 2015 • 11:42:06am

re: #88 Smith25’s Liberal Thighs

From Media Matters:

Fox Host Criticizes Potential Iran Nuclear Deal For Being Too Long

Fox’s Jedidiah Bila: “Anything That’s 100 Pages Or Over, The Second I Hear That, It’s Like, Stop. It Reminds Me Of Obamacare.;

He must really dislike the Holy Bible…

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Charles Johnson  Jul 14, 2015 • 11:42:41am

re: #124 The Vicious Babushka

Is there a link to the Eric Ferrero statement? I Googled it but nothing came up.

It’s posted at LifeNews. Most likely genuine.

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scottslemmons  Jul 14, 2015 • 11:43:04am

re: #129 The Vicious Babushka

That’s gonna lead to some trouble for Life News when the cops discover they falsified evidence…

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 14, 2015 • 11:43:47am
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Charles Johnson  Jul 14, 2015 • 11:43:58am
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Ace-o-aces  Jul 14, 2015 • 11:44:11am
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Patricia Kayden  Jul 14, 2015 • 11:44:19am

re: #88 Smith25’s Liberal Thighs

From Media Matters:

Fox Host Criticizes Potential Iran Nuclear Deal For Being Too Long

How long was the Patriot Act? Didn’t Republicans/Conservatives rally around that shockingly lengthy legislation?

I assume Fox News “journalists” are too lazy to read the entire Iran deal so they’re blubbering about it being too long.

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Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Jul 14, 2015 • 11:44:31am

re: #139 Charles Johnson

Is there anything in the video about “crushing skulls”? One of the commenters to your tweet mentioned it.

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Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Jul 14, 2015 • 11:46:31am

re: #138 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

He must really dislike the Holy Bible…

They can only digest edited videos from James OKeefe.

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lawhawk  Jul 14, 2015 • 11:47:17am

One of the reports indicates the collapse is at Thompkins and Fulton, but the FDNY is reporting it as Bedford Ave.

Building collapse in Brooklyn NY - FDNY reports ppl trapped.

Oh, and the bottom right photo in that series doesn’t appear to be from the US at all, let alone NYC or Brooklyn.

UPDATE:
The photos are from today’s collapse - but the wrong address. The collapse is at 1455 Fulton Street. Street Maps confirms location (the mural to the right of the collapse).

google.com

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Jul 14, 2015 • 11:48:16am

re: #146 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse

They can only digest edited videos from James OKeefe.

Didn”t Herman Cain state that he would veto any law that was more than one page long?

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The Vicious Babushka  Jul 14, 2015 • 11:48:54am

re: #139 Charles Johnson

It’s posted at LifeNews. Most likely genuine.

Of course. *smfh*

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Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Jul 14, 2015 • 11:49:17am

re: #136 The Vicious Babushka

He was always a sick puke

Projection. Nolte does it a little.

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Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Jul 14, 2015 • 11:49:52am

re: #148 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

Didn”t Herman Cain state that he would veto any law that was more than one page long?

That sounds like a winning issue for one of the 16 prez candidates.

/

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Charles Johnson  Jul 14, 2015 • 11:50:03am
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Charles Johnson  Jul 14, 2015 • 11:51:27am

re: #152 Charles Johnson

Nope, I was mistaken. It’s still @RonReaganLives.

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Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Jul 14, 2015 • 11:51:31am

Little surprised there still isn’t anything at @PPFA.

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The Vicious Babushka  Jul 14, 2015 • 11:52:13am

re: #152 Charles Johnson

[Embedded content]

He sometimes retweets stuff from @ThatsSoReagan

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Higgs Boson's Mate  Jul 14, 2015 • 11:52:18am

re: #143 Ace-o-aces

Bobby Jindal, whose state of Louisiana is currently unable to find a way to close its $1.6Bn budget shortfall without raising revenues. That would be the same Jindal whose approval rating has languished at 30% for some time and who may soon see Louisiana’s credit rating lowered. Way to cut unnecessary spending, Governor.

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The Vicious Babushka  Jul 14, 2015 • 11:54:29am

And the urban legend mutates before our very eyes.

EVOLUTION MOTHERFUCKERS!!!

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Timothy Watson  Jul 14, 2015 • 11:55:25am

re: #157 The Vicious Babushka

And the urban legend mutates before our very eyes.

EVOLUTION MOTHERFUCKERS!!!

[Embedded content]

As I said a couple weeks ago, conservative memes never die, they just get stupider.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jul 14, 2015 • 11:55:33am

The aggravating things about the Right’s response to this are that

1) they would have opposed ANY deal, AT ALL;

2) they pretend there was a better deal available without taking into account that this deal was only reachable by working with 5 other countries BESIDES Iran;

3) they present no alternative that isn’t exactly like Bush’s ‘refuse to negotiate until Iran gives up everything’ strategy that took Iran from 0-20K centrifuges;

4) they then say, “Who said anything about war?”

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The Vicious Babushka  Jul 14, 2015 • 11:55:35am

Dana wants to skip the trial and get straight to the lethal injection!

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Charles Johnson  Jul 14, 2015 • 11:56:13am

re: #155 The Vicious Babushka

He sometimes retweets stuff from @ThatsSoReagan

That’s how I made the mistake - I clicked one of those retweets and thought he’d changed his name. My bad.

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Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Jul 14, 2015 • 11:57:23am

re: #160 The Vicious Babushka

Dana wants to skip the trial and get straight to the lethal injection!

No trial we haz all the evidence we need in this hear unedited video file.

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scottslemmons  Jul 14, 2015 • 11:57:29am

re: #160 The Vicious Babushka

But what happens when LifeNews is found to be falsifying evidence again? Can we RICO every wingnut on Twitter?

I guess better to do it now than after they’ve blown up another federal building…

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Timothy Watson  Jul 14, 2015 • 11:57:56am

re: #160 The Vicious Babushka

Dana wants to skip the trial and get straight to the lethal injection!

[Embedded content]

lolwhut

What does RICO have to do with the price of tea in China?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 14, 2015 • 11:58:31am
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ObserverArt  Jul 14, 2015 • 11:58:52am

Well, that was quite the storm. Looks like the worst has passed my area. Reports all over of major flooding, especially in the Ohio State campus and Upper Arlington area. So far my power has stayed on. AEP is saying they have 8,000 customers out.

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The Vicious Babushka  Jul 14, 2015 • 11:59:39am

Projecting like an IMAX

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jaunte  Jul 14, 2015 • 11:59:57am

re: #129 The Vicious Babushka

Bobby Jindal would endorse the Jade Helm paranoia if it meant one more vote.

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Charles Johnson  Jul 14, 2015 • 12:00:23pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 14, 2015 • 12:00:52pm
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Blind Frog Belly White  Jul 14, 2015 • 12:01:02pm

Happy Bastille Day!

Allons enfants de la patrie,
Le jour de gloire est arrivé !

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Timothy Watson  Jul 14, 2015 • 12:01:32pm

re: #169 Charles Johnson

[Embedded content]

LGF GETS THOSE BIG FAT GEORGE SOROS CHECKS!1!! CONFIRMED FACT!!1!

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The Vicious Babushka  Jul 14, 2015 • 12:02:06pm
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Blind Frog Belly White  Jul 14, 2015 • 12:02:42pm

re: #170 Backwoods_Sleuth

[Embedded content]

Says the guy whose signature clothes lines are made in Mexico and China….

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withak  Jul 14, 2015 • 12:02:55pm

re: #170 Backwoods_Sleuth

[Embedded content]

This will stop on Day One! Jobs will stay here!

Why? Because he says so? Executive order?

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Feline Fearless Leader  Jul 14, 2015 • 12:03:40pm

re: #175 withak

Why? Because he says so? Executive order?

Sounds like heavy government interference with American capitalism! Oh wait, that would be a GOP President.

Never mind.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jul 14, 2015 • 12:03:58pm

re: #175 withak

Why? Because he says so? Executive order?

Sheer force of will, I presume.

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The Vicious Babushka  Jul 14, 2015 • 12:04:01pm

BOOM!

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Charles Johnson  Jul 14, 2015 • 12:04:26pm
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The Vicious Babushka  Jul 14, 2015 • 12:05:04pm

WTF is this douchebasket even derping about?

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blueraven  Jul 14, 2015 • 12:06:37pm

The organ selling “supposed” full video is here:

youtube.com

Youtube channel is by The Center for Medical Progress

Looks like a new website.

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John_Manyjars  Jul 14, 2015 • 12:06:53pm

‘Modern’ conservatives are always wrong…about everything. The Iran situation is, of course, no different. Good show Obama…!! Israel has brought us nothing but misery, anyway. Let them get welfare from some other country besides us. Iran hasn’t slaughtered our sailors, after all.

Go play with your cartoons, Bibi- we’ve had enough!

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The Vicious Babushka  Jul 14, 2015 • 12:07:05pm

WAIT THEIR IS MOAR DERP

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 14, 2015 • 12:07:37pm

OK, this just showed up on my TL:

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Charles Johnson  Jul 14, 2015 • 12:07:57pm
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JadeHelmCurious  Jul 14, 2015 • 12:08:47pm

re: #185 Charles Johnson

I’m sure he was ‘just joking’

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Romantic Heretic  Jul 14, 2015 • 12:09:26pm

re: #178 The Vicious Babushka

Michael Flint @Mflint1513

@viciousbabushka @k33pin9itreal and burgers cost $17…like Chipotle burritos.

I hadn’t realized that MacDonald’s payed their employees by the unit rather than the hour.

Who knew? //

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 14, 2015 • 12:10:33pm

PP has the statement at their website:
plannedparenthood.org

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Eventual Carrion  Jul 14, 2015 • 12:10:36pm

re: #166 ObserverArt

Well, that was quite the storm. Looks like the worst has passed my area. Reports all over of major flooding, especially in the Ohio State campus and Upper Arlington area. So far my power has stayed on. AEP is saying they have 8,000 customers out.

I was just out having a smoke and could hear the thunder and see the darker clouds coming in from the west. So it is almost here to the PA border now (as I am only 10 miles from the OH border).

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Romantic Heretic  Jul 14, 2015 • 12:11:25pm

re: #180 The Vicious Babushka

WTF is this douchebasket even derping about?

[Embedded content]

Not supporting are trupes!!1!!

I’m pretty sure I got the translation right.

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Eventual Carrion  Jul 14, 2015 • 12:11:36pm

re: #170 Backwoods_Sleuth

[Embedded content]

Except for the jobs that make the shit he sells.

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Romantic Heretic  Jul 14, 2015 • 12:12:31pm

re: #183 The Vicious Babushka

WAIT THEIR IS MOAR DERP

[Embedded content]

Looks more like WWII German paratroopers than Waffen SS.

ETA: Sorry. They are Waffen SS.

What made me think they were paratroopers was the shape of the helmets. WWII German paratrooper wore a helmet similar to those American troops wore at the time, without the flange protecting the neck of the helmet worn by the rest of the German Army.

I enlarged the picture. Then the flanges on the helmets became visible and the leading trooper is definitely wearing a Waffen SS camouflage shirt.

My bad.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 14, 2015 • 12:12:59pm
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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Jul 14, 2015 • 12:14:20pm

re: #192 Romantic Heretic

Looks more like WWII German paratroopers than Waffen SS.

That’s a camouflaged SS Waffenrock. Trump could not have picked a more fitting image of what total cluelessness and political posturing leads to.

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The Vicious Babushka  Jul 14, 2015 • 12:15:05pm

John Nolte has gone full on stalker.

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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Jul 14, 2015 • 12:15:16pm

re: #170 Backwoods_Sleuth

[Embedded content]

trump proposed a 35% protective tariff on any cars produced by a factory moved to a foreign country or built there when it could be built in the united states

in truth, he only said that about one particular factory, but you would have to generalize it in order to pass it as a bill in congress

actually i kinda like it

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Ian G.  Jul 14, 2015 • 12:16:04pm

re: #123 Ace-o-aces

Mic drop.

And Bryan with his appalling Holocaust analogies again. Maybe he needs to talk to a Holocaust survivor to know it wasn’t all about family planning and making Christians bake cakes for gays.

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Dave In Austin  Jul 14, 2015 • 12:16:05pm
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jaunte  Jul 14, 2015 • 12:16:32pm

re: #187 Romantic Heretic

If we pay fast food workers a living wage, none of us will be able to afford fast food!!

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Ace-o-aces  Jul 14, 2015 • 12:17:02pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 14, 2015 • 12:17:53pm
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Blind Frog Belly White  Jul 14, 2015 • 12:18:07pm

re: #199 jaunte

If we pay fast food workers slaves a living wage anything, none of us will be able to afford fast food plantations!!

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makeitstop  Jul 14, 2015 • 12:18:41pm

OT, but I so love this - a Texas State football player with a history of physical disabilities in his family performs ‘Uptown Funk’ in sign language. Magnificent.

…

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jul 14, 2015 • 12:19:30pm

re: #200 Ace-o-aces

[Embedded content]

I guess we should put the ‘US’ back in US, instead of outsourcing our militaristic stock photos to Zee Germanss.

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No Country For Old Haters  Jul 14, 2015 • 12:19:41pm

re: #123 Ace-o-aces

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jaunte  Jul 14, 2015 • 12:19:41pm

re: #200 Ace-o-aces

If he pays a competent meme designer a living wage, Trump can’t afford a full-time hair stylist!!

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Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Jul 14, 2015 • 12:19:54pm

re: #181 blueraven

The organ selling “supposed” full video is here:

youtube.com

Youtube channel is by The Center for Medical Progress

Looks like a new website.

OK, so I watched the 8 minute video.

The PP dr. is certainly flippant about much of this. And there was a reference to a “$30 to a $100” amount for something, but it was a little vague.

One neat little trick the video makers do is depict themselves a “buyer”. But the dr. only mentions the role of “collectors”. And as Charles mentioned, the dr. also clearly mentioned the donation of tissue, not selling.

Would like to know more about the $30 to $100 reference, what sort of reimbursement that’s intended to be.

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Romantic Heretic  Jul 14, 2015 • 12:20:07pm

re: #194 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

That’s a camouflaged SS Waffenrock. Trump could not have picked a more fitting image of what total cluelessness and political posturing leads to.

Spotted that once I zoomed in on the picture. Thanks for the correction.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 14, 2015 • 12:20:28pm
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Blind Frog Belly White  Jul 14, 2015 • 12:20:28pm

re: #205 No Country For Old Haters

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Assumes facts not in evidence.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jul 14, 2015 • 12:22:37pm

re: #209 Backwoods_Sleuth

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This reminds me of the Bobby Slayton routine about his old relatives getting together, and trying to one-up each other about how sick they are.

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Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Jul 14, 2015 • 12:22:39pm

re: #207 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse

There’s also a segment showing an “order form” but it’s flashed by pretty quickly and there’s no attention to detail as in what the form is, who uses the form, etc.

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Ian G.  Jul 14, 2015 • 12:22:48pm

re: #128 Charles Johnson

If I’m not mistaken, that’s a painting of John Brown as Leon Wolf’s avatar. What’s the chance that Mr. Wolf ISN’T a staunch defender of the Confederate flag and “states rights”?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 14, 2015 • 12:23:29pm
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Romantic Heretic  Jul 14, 2015 • 12:24:18pm

re: #213 Ian G.

But I stand against slavery just like John Brown!1!!1!

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jul 14, 2015 • 12:24:20pm

re: #212 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse

There’s also a segment showing an “order form” but it’s flashed by pretty quickly and there’s no attention to detail as in what the form is, who uses the form, etc.

So, basically, if you already see PP as Josef Mengele, you’ll see what you want to see in the video?

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The Vicious Babushka  Jul 14, 2015 • 12:24:59pm

re: #215 Romantic Heretic

But I stand against slavery just like John Brown!1!!1!

TEH MODERN SLAVERY IS TEH INCOME TAXES!!!!!!

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Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Jul 14, 2015 • 12:25:45pm

re: #216 Blind Frog Belly White

So, basically, if you already see PP as Josef Mengele, you’ll see what you want to see in the video?

Yeah, pretty much.

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Eventual Carrion  Jul 14, 2015 • 12:26:37pm

re: #201 Backwoods_Sleuth

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And to the 34% the constitution says “fuck off”.

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Romantic Heretic  Jul 14, 2015 • 12:27:03pm

re: #214 Backwoods_Sleuth

I was talking to my wife about this and I said that maybe the designer actually hates The Donald and did it deliberately.

That tweet seems to add some evidence to that hypothesis.

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aagcobb  Jul 14, 2015 • 12:27:04pm

re: #159 Blind Frog Belly White

The aggravating things about the Right’s response to this are that

1) they would have opposed ANY deal, AT ALL;

2) they pretend there was a better deal available without taking into account that this deal was only reachable by working with 5 other countries BESIDES Iran;

3) they present no alternative that isn’t exactly like Bush’s ‘refuse to negotiate until Iran gives up everything’ strategy that took Iran from 0-20K centrifuges;

4) they then say, “Who said anything about war?”

Their alternative, like their alternative to Obamacare, cannot be spoken, because its utterly unacceptable. The GOP alternative to the ACA is eliminating healthcare coverage for tens of millions of people. The GOP alternative to a negotiated deal with Iran is full scale war and an indefinite occupation of Iran which will require the return of the draft. No wonder they won’t say it.

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Ace-o-aces  Jul 14, 2015 • 12:27:52pm

Wingnuts have a very loose definition of what constitutes “evidence”.

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blueraven  Jul 14, 2015 • 12:27:55pm

re: #207 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse

OK, so I watched the 8 minute video.

The PP dr. is certainly flippant about much of this. And there was a reference to a “$30 to a $100” amount for something, but it was a little vague.

One neat little trick the video makers do is depict themselves a “buyer”. But the dr. only mentions the role of “collectors”. And as Charles mentioned, the dr. also clearly mentioned the donation of tissue, not selling.

Would like to know more about the $30 to $100 reference, what sort of reimbursement that’s intended to be.

When will these people ever learn not to get taken in by people out to portray them as THE DEVIL. I mean really, that Dr. must be stupid.

It is kind of hard to follow the conversation, probably due to the heavy editing. Also, who is going to sit through a 2.5 hour boring ass video?

The context is missing. It is really hard to know what the hell is going on. I believe the fees that were mentioned are for transporting to donated destination.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jul 14, 2015 • 12:28:05pm

re: #218 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse

Yeah, pretty much.

Confirmation bias - It’s what’s for dinner!

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Mike Lamb  Jul 14, 2015 • 12:28:53pm

re: #212 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse

There’s also a segment showing an “order form” but it’s flashed by pretty quickly and there’s no attention to detail as in what the form is, who uses the form, etc.

If we are talking about donations for medical research, it would make sense that there is some type of “order form” that would allow researchers to make known what type of tissue samples they need.

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Romantic Heretic  Jul 14, 2015 • 12:30:01pm

re: #222 Ace-o-aces

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Wingnuts have a very loose definition of what constitutes “evidence”.

Actually it’s very tight.

If it backs my beliefs, and more importantly, fuels my anger and hatred, it is evidence.

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makeitstop  Jul 14, 2015 • 12:30:21pm

re: #220 Romantic Heretic

I was talking to my wife about this and I said that maybe the designer actually hates The Donald and did it deliberately.

That tweet seems to add some evidence to that hypothesis.

My wife just said the same thing. She thinks it’s sabotage.

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Ian G.  Jul 14, 2015 • 12:30:31pm

re: #209 Backwoods_Sleuth

I suppose it’s “possible”. But the fact that North Korea, easily the most deranged regime on earth, hasn’t yet lobbed nukes at Seoul or Tokyo even though it’s had them for at least a decade, suggests to me that Iran isn’t about to use nuclear weapons, especially if it, uh, doesn’t have any.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jul 14, 2015 • 12:30:39pm

re: #223 blueraven

When will these people ever learn not to get taken in by people out to portray them as THE DEVIL. I mean really, that Dr. must be stupid.

It is kind of hard to follow the conversation, probably due to the heavy editing. Also, who is going to sit through a 2.5 hour boring ass video?

The context is missing. It is really hard to know what the hell is going on. I believe the fees that were mentioned are for transporting to donated destination.

I can tell you, shipments of tissue which you want to be living upon arrival are not cheap.

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Dr. Matt  Jul 14, 2015 • 12:30:55pm

re: #219 Eventual Carrion

And to the 34% the constitution says “fuck off”.

They hate elections, they hate the SCOTUS, they hate the 13th, 14th, and 16th Amendments…..face it, they just want to fuck their guns and discriminate against gays, teh Blahs, and women.

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Mike Lamb  Jul 14, 2015 • 12:31:42pm

re: #222 Ace-o-aces

These people really think that PP was performing abortions, taking the tissue, and, without patient consent, selling it? Obviously there are outliers, but do they really think that a doctor would risk his license by doing any of that without consent?

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Eric The Fruit Bat  Jul 14, 2015 • 12:32:36pm

re: #195 The Vicious Babushka

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Ace-o-aces  Jul 14, 2015 • 12:33:41pm

Bonus points if they can link it to #Jadehelm.

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ObserverArt  Jul 14, 2015 • 12:33:56pm

re: #189 Eventual Carrion

I was just out having a smoke and could hear the thunder and see the darker clouds coming in from the west. So it is almost here to the PA border now (as I am only 10 miles from the OH border).

Are you up in the northern area just across the border with Youngstown? I see the line is now in that area. As a matter of fact, the line now extends all across the state from Cincinnati to Youngstown. I don’t think I’ve seen that organized a storm line all across the state.

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Dr. Matt  Jul 14, 2015 • 12:34:06pm

re: #195 The Vicious Babushka

John Nolte has gone full on stalker.

John Nolte rapes aborted gay goats.

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calochortus  Jul 14, 2015 • 12:34:55pm

re: #231 Mike Lamb

These people really think that PP was performing abortions, taking the tissue, and, without patient consent, selling it? Obviously there are outliers, but do they really think that a doctor would risk his license by doing any of that without consent?

Sure, Satan is apparently involved, Big Time. And there are huge profits to be made. I give you the thoughts of one Freeper responding to a question about who would be buying:

To: Mygirlsmom; knarf

Pharmaceutical, researchers, and food companies.

Pepsi uses fetal cells to test their food products. Apparently specific cells can be used to test for specific tastes that Pepsi wants.

Easier than hiring food tasters apparently.

34 posted on 7/14/2015, 9:02:32 AM by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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Ace-o-aces  Jul 14, 2015 • 12:35:57pm

re: #232 Eric The Fruit Bat

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lawhawk  Jul 14, 2015 • 12:36:47pm

It looks like the image is a shutterstock image from 2006 showing persons wearing German military gear.

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Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Jul 14, 2015 • 12:37:34pm

re: #231 Mike Lamb

These people really think that PP was performing abortions, taking the tissue, and, without patient consent, selling it? Obviously there are outliers, but do they really think that a doctor would risk his license by doing any of that without consent?

And talking about it in public.

Not sure what’s supposed to be so earth-shattering about the 8 minute video. Again, the tone seems a little flippant, and PP should explain the “$30 to $100” comment, but there’s a lot of slight of hand going on in the video (with the “order” form, the filming crew labeling the video to portray themselves as “buyers”), but it’s all pretty murky.

Of course if you’re oppose to abortion, particularly late term abortions, the discussion and accompanying graphics is just going to inflame you.

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Higgs Boson's Mate  Jul 14, 2015 • 12:38:39pm

re: #238 lawhawk

That was refreshingly quick.

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Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Jul 14, 2015 • 12:38:56pm

re: #236 calochortus

Pepsi uses fetal cells to test their food products. Apparently specific cells can be used to test for specific tastes that Pepsi wants.

LOLwhut?

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calochortus  Jul 14, 2015 • 12:39:02pm

re: #228 Ian G.

I suppose it’s “possible”. But the fact that North Korea, easily the most deranged regime on earth, hasn’t yet lobbed nukes at Seoul or Tokyo even though it’s had them for at least a decade, suggests to me that Iran isn’t about to use nuclear weapons, especially if it, uh, doesn’t have any.

Which apparently, Iran could have had any time in the last couple decades had they wished to. Keeping the threat of nuclear weapons has been a higher priority than actually having them.

That brings us to the question I keep asking myself-if this is such a bad agreement, how would it be better not to have an agreement at all? The only things preventing Iran from having a nuclear weapons right now is their inclination. They wouldn’t be breaking any international laws by developing them. Why is it somehow riskier to have an agreement that they won’t do it?

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Jayleia  Jul 14, 2015 • 12:39:42pm

re: #241 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse

Old, OLD conspiracy theory

Ah, found it

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Kilroy01  Jul 14, 2015 • 12:40:29pm

re: #238 lawhawk

BUT TRUMP IS A MILITARY GENIUS!!!
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calochortus  Jul 14, 2015 • 12:40:40pm

re: #241 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse

LOLwhut?

Yeah, I know. It is cheaper to set up a lab with living fetal cells to drip Pepsi on than to round up a few people for an hour and say “So what do you think?”

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jaunte  Jul 14, 2015 • 12:41:17pm

re: #238 lawhawk

Looks like Bundeswehr helmets:
Image: File:Bundeswehr_G36.jpg

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Romantic Heretic  Jul 14, 2015 • 12:41:59pm

re: #236 calochortus

a couple of decades ago I was in a pub and starting talking with a guy at the next table. Next thing I know I’m being told about how IBM is harvesting human brains to use as CPUs in their computers.

Sometimes the moonbats and wingnuts look perfectly normal until they open their mouths.

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jaunte  Jul 14, 2015 • 12:42:55pm

re: #247 Romantic Heretic

Then he went home and wrote the screenplay for the Matrix.

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Eventual Carrion  Jul 14, 2015 • 12:43:03pm

re: #234 ObserverArt

Are you up in the northern area just across the border with Youngstown? I see the line is now in that area. As a matter of fact, the line now extends all across the state from Cincinnati to Youngstown. I don’t think I’ve seen that organized a storm line all across the state.

I am about 17 miles north east of Youngstown. It is getting real dark here now.

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ObserverArt  Jul 14, 2015 • 12:44:01pm

re: #223 blueraven

When will these people ever learn not to get taken in by people out to portray them as THE DEVIL. I mean really, that Dr. must be stupid.

It is kind of hard to follow the conversation, probably due to the heavy editing. Also, who is going to sit through a 2.5 hour boring ass video?

The context is missing. It is really hard to know what the hell is going on. I believe the fees that were mentioned are for transporting to donated destination.

It seems they are already pre-loaded with the fear and believe everyone is out to get them, mess their lives up, take their money, full of evil that is going to take them, etc.

So, with the slightest hint of something bad they jump on it as an “I told you so” fact and run with it. No facts are needed, they are already full of facts they just need another example to go off.

It has to be a tough way to go through life. But what is really fun is often they are the ones that get taken by the very same people they are listening too. I think they are commonly referred to as marks. A good con plays on that pre-loaded fear.

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Kilroy01  Jul 14, 2015 • 12:44:19pm

re: #238 lawhawk

Looks the same. Very German.

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Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Jul 14, 2015 • 12:44:22pm

re: #243 Jayleia

Every time you purchase mass-produced processed “food” from the likes of Kraft, PepsiCo, or Nestle, you’re choosing, whether you realize it or not, to feed your family not only genetically engineered poisons and chemical additives, but also various flavoring agents manufactured using the tissue of aborted human babies.

It’s true: A company based out of California, known as Senomyx, is in the business of using aborted embryonic cells to test fake flavoring chemicals, both savory and sweet, which are then added to things like soft drinks, candy and cookies. And Senomyx has admittedly partnered with a number of major food manufacturers to lace its cannibalistic additives into all sorts of factory foods scarfed down by millions of American consumers every single day.

OK, but this popular mainstream website Natural News said it was True. Definitely True.

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jaunte  Jul 14, 2015 • 12:45:52pm

Scarfing Cannibalistic Additives!!!!

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withak  Jul 14, 2015 • 12:46:28pm

re: #252 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse

OK, but this popular mainstream website Natural News said it was True. Definitely True.

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Oh, Jeebus, Natural News. So much derp concentrated in one little website.

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Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Jul 14, 2015 • 12:47:13pm

re: #250 ObserverArt

It seems they are already pre-loaded with the fear and believe everyone is out to get them, mess their lives up, take their money, full of evil that is going to take them, etc.

So, with the slightest hint of something bad they jump on it as an “I told you so” fact and run with it. No facts are needed, they are already full of facts they just need another example to go off.

It has to be a tough way to go through life. But what is really fun is often they are the ones that get taken by the very same people they are listening too. I think they are commonly referred to as marks. A good con plays on that pre-loaded fear.

I think I’m hearing that voice that says

“Stay off FB, Twitter, for a few days. The Derp is expected to be heavy.”

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Higgs Boson's Mate  Jul 14, 2015 • 12:47:14pm

re: #253 jaunte

Scarfing Cannibalistic Additives!!!!

Helluva band all right. I liked them better when they were still playing small clubs.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jul 14, 2015 • 12:47:37pm

re: #228 Ian G.

I suppose it’s “possible”. But the fact that North Korea, easily the most deranged regime on earth, hasn’t yet lobbed nukes at Seoul or Tokyo even though it’s had them for at least a decade, suggests to me that Iran isn’t about to use nuclear weapons, especially if it, uh, doesn’t have any.

All three of NK’s tests were failures.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 14, 2015 • 12:47:39pm
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Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Jul 14, 2015 • 12:51:07pm

re: #250 ObserverArt

After reading some of the breathless tweets about this video I was rather underwhelmed.

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Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Jul 14, 2015 • 12:52:30pm

re: #259 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse

After reading some of the breathless tweets about this video I was rather underwhelmed.

And if the “fees” for this illegal trafficking are as low as $30 I have to wonder about the genius of the whole thing.

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lawhawk  Jul 14, 2015 • 12:52:35pm

The Trump bus claims its first victim:

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Dr. Matt  Jul 14, 2015 • 12:52:48pm

re: #181 blueraven

The organ selling “supposed” full video is here:

youtube.com

Youtube channel is by The Center for Medical Progress

Looks like a new website.

Has it been revealed that this is yet another scam by the twerp O’Keefe?

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Eric The Fruit Bat  Jul 14, 2015 • 12:52:55pm

re: #207 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse

The Manhattan Institute has had to put up a disclaimer due to their own Center for Medical Progress group.

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Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Jul 14, 2015 • 12:53:28pm

re: #261 lawhawk

The Trump bus claims its first victim:

What about Walker’s logo and America’s Best Glasses? Haven’t seen any media attention on this.

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Targetpractice  Jul 14, 2015 • 12:53:39pm

re: #261 lawhawk

The Trump bus claims its first victim:

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*kathunk!*

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makeitstop  Jul 14, 2015 • 12:53:58pm

re: #261 lawhawk

The Trump bus claims its first victim:

[Embedded content]

I call bullshit. Trump’s obsessive with his Twitter account, and suddenly he turns it over to an intern for the day?

Sorry, I don’t buy it.

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Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Jul 14, 2015 • 12:54:54pm

re: #265 Targetpractice

*kathunk!*

Hopefully the bus wasn’t too damaged.

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makeitstop  Jul 14, 2015 • 12:55:29pm

Also - as far as I can tell, the Waffen photo doesn’t have the watermark that the photo agency puts on it.

Somebody over at Trump’s joint bought that image.

(edited for clarity.)

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Amory Blaine  Jul 14, 2015 • 12:55:43pm

Interns are Trumps go-to for the initial crucial imagery of his campaign.

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lawhawk  Jul 14, 2015 • 12:55:51pm

re: #257 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

Fizzles, not failures. Very distinct difference. They did detonate a nuclear device, but it was much less than what they hoped it would be, though it was still several kilotons, with some estimates putting at least one of the detonations approaching Hiroshima levels - 16kt.

Added:
There were 3 separate tests conducted - one was a complete fizzle. One was what appears to be a success with a low order detonation. The third and most recent test was in the 8-16kt range.

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lawhawk  Jul 14, 2015 • 12:56:39pm

re: #266 makeitstop

I call bullshit. Trump’s obsessive with his Twitter account, and suddenly he turns it over to an intern for the day?

Sorry, I don’t buy it.

The image - not the tweet. He’s blaming the intern for sourcing the photo/image, not the tweet.

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Eric The Fruit Bat  Jul 14, 2015 • 12:57:06pm

re: #262 Dr. Matt

The guy behind this is appears to be David Daleiden, a writer for The Weekly Standard. Typical pro-lifer.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 14, 2015 • 12:58:18pm

re: #261 lawhawk

The Trump bus claims its first victim:

[Embedded content]

“did not see the very faded figures within the flag of the stock photo.”

oh, how lame of a lie.

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ObserverArt  Jul 14, 2015 • 12:58:48pm

You know I am wondering if one of the things that is pissing off the Republican warrior types is the Obama administration is taking away some of their favorite fear mongering toys…like Iran and Cuba, LGBT folks, government help with healthcare, etc.

Maybe I was right about the con artist and the marks comment in #250. The Republicans seem to always need something to fear so they can ride in and save the distressed citizens. Well. not really ride in and do anything, just talk a good game so they can get the mark’s vote.

Obama has put a good sized dent in some of those scary things and while they are still flailing over it all, in time the fears might die down to the detriment of the GOP.

How dare that Obama!!! Especially when he is a lame duck. He doesn’t play this game in a fair manner.

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Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Jul 14, 2015 • 12:59:22pm

re: #272 Eric The Fruit Bat

The guy behind this is appears to be David Daleiden, a writer for The Weekly Standard. Typical pro-lifer.

Still nothing on this “brutal, devastating take-down of the illegal and horrible practices at that abortion factory called Planned Parenthood” on CNN.

Needs moar cowbell.
//

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makeitstop  Jul 14, 2015 • 1:00:34pm

re: #271 lawhawk

The image - not the tweet. He’s blaming the intern for sourcing the photo/image, not the tweet.

That disclaimer makes no sense, though. ‘The intern created the image,’ but ‘didn’t notice’ the soldiers?

If the intern created the image, he would have had to have placed the soldier image in the flag! I doubt that any reputable photo agency would be selling an image of a US flag with money, the White House and Waffen SS reenactors in it.

Lame excuse. So lame it nearly makes zero sense.

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Feline Fearless Leader  Jul 14, 2015 • 1:01:46pm

re: #274 ObserverArt

You know I am wondering if one of the things that is pissing off the Republican warrior types is the Obama administration is taking away some of their favorite fear mongering toys…like Iran and Cuba, LGBT folks, government help with healthcare, etc.

Maybe I was right about the con artist and the marks comment in #250. The Republicans seem to always need something to fear so they can ride in and save the distressed citizens. Well. not really ride in and do anything, just talk a good game so they can get the mark’s vote.

Obama has put a good sized dent in some of those scary things and while they are still flailing over it all, in time the fears might die down to the detriment of the GOP.

How dare that Obama!!! Especially when he is a lame duck. He doesn’t play this game in a fair manner.

If they don’t market fear and loathing of the other they will be forced to actually start discussing policy and improvements. And suddenly facts and having an actual plan that can be analyzed start to matter when you do that. Not to mention generally needing real bipartisan support to get that plan put into action.

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Amory Blaine  Jul 14, 2015 • 1:02:35pm

It’s a fine line between an unkempt lawn and being the crazy guy down the street.
BBL

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jul 14, 2015 • 1:04:15pm

re: #243 Jayleia

Old, OLD conspiracy theory

Ah, found it

Oh, for the love of god. We in Biotech have been using 293 cells - which is a clonal cell line established in the early 1970s - since the early 1980s.

It’s a CELL LINE, meaning that it grows without stopping in medium containing nutrients and growth factors. It has not required anything from any human fetus since it was established back in the 1970s.

We use 293 cells because they grow fast, they’re easily transfectable, and with the right promoter driving the gene, they make a buttload of protein.

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Charles Johnson  Jul 14, 2015 • 1:04:55pm

re: #223 blueraven

When will these people ever learn not to get taken in by people out to portray them as THE DEVIL. I mean really, that Dr. must be stupid.

It is kind of hard to follow the conversation, probably due to the heavy editing. Also, who is going to sit through a 2.5 hour boring ass video?

The context is missing. It is really hard to know what the hell is going on. I believe the fees that were mentioned are for transporting to donated destination.

From Planned Parenthood’s statement:

In some instances, actual costs, such as the cost to transport tissue to leading research centers, are reimbursed, which is standard across the medical field.

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A Cranky One  Jul 14, 2015 • 1:06:05pm

Home sick. Flipping channels and just happened upon the Blues Brothers, just in time for the classic line, “We got both kinds, country and western”.

I needed a smile. ;)

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Dr. Matt  Jul 14, 2015 • 1:08:19pm

re: #251 Kilroy01

Embedded Image

Looks the same. Very German.

Looks like an MP40 (WWII German submachine gun).

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EPR-radar  Jul 14, 2015 • 1:08:30pm

re: #213 Ian G.

If I’m not mistaken, that’s a painting of John Brown as Leon Wolf’s avatar. What’s the chance that Mr. Wolf ISN’T a staunch defender of the Confederate flag and “states rights”?

John Brown was an abolitionist, so that image by itself doesn’t really make out a case that Mr. Wolf is a Confederate. RedState is a mixed bag on the issue of open support of the Confederacy, and I don’t recall at the moment which side of that issue Wolf falls on.

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Mattand  Jul 14, 2015 • 1:08:34pm

re: #235 Dr. Matt

John Nolte rapes aborted gay goats.

It would be irresponsible not to speculate about it.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jul 14, 2015 • 1:09:16pm

re: #233 Ace-o-aces

[Embedded content]

Bonus points if they can link it to #Jadehelm.

Taken care of. Of course, I was kidding.

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Charles Johnson  Jul 14, 2015 • 1:09:26pm

If they were actually “selling” organs and body parts, I promise you the fee would be MUCH higher than $30-$100. That’s a transport or other incidental cost, not a purchase price for the donated tissue. It’s absolute bullshit. Don’t fall for this crap.

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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Jul 14, 2015 • 1:09:32pm

i didnt check to see if anybody else has said this, but it seems to me that the iran deal has very little chance of passing congress

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jul 14, 2015 • 1:09:34pm

re: #284 Mattand

It would be irresponsible not to speculate about it.

I saw it on the internet. It MUST be true!

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 14, 2015 • 1:10:36pm

he’s awake:

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ObserverArt  Jul 14, 2015 • 1:10:53pm

re: #266 makeitstop

I call bullshit. Trump’s obsessive with his Twitter account, and suddenly he turns it over to an intern for the day?

Sorry, I don’t buy it.

And again…an intern. Probably not very well paid if at all or promised a golden path to Trump riches. That’s the big business way these days. Lots of young hungry workers having to take intern jobs because that is the way big business works it these days.

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Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Jul 14, 2015 • 1:12:28pm

re: #286 Charles Johnson

If they were actually “selling” organs and body parts, I promise you the fee would be MUCH higher than $30-$100. That’s a transport or other incidental cost, not a purchase price for the donated tissue. It’s absolute bullshit. Don’t fall for this crap.

Exactly. If all they’re making is $30, this black market thing sounds like a really bad deal.

And again, why a doctor would, in public, freely discuss an illegal organ trafficking operation, is mystifying.

But some of the breathless tweets I saw about this, even from the relatively moderate religious folks I follow on Twitter, made it sound like Okeefe or whoever caught PP with bags of organs in a dark alley.

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Charles Johnson  Jul 14, 2015 • 1:14:00pm
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lawhawk  Jul 14, 2015 • 1:15:06pm

It was reenactors in German uniforms, not actual Nazis:

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jul 14, 2015 • 1:15:22pm

re: #286 Charles Johnson

If they were actually “selling” organs and body parts, I promise you the fee would be MUCH higher than $30-$100. That’s a transport or other incidental cost, not a purchase price for the donated tissue. It’s absolute bullshit. Don’t fall for this crap.

This. Shipping living tissue must be done with cold packs, must be overnight. You need a lot more mass in cold packs than tissue, lots and lots of mass, so it’s still cold when it arrives, even if it comes from Florida and goes through Texas on the way to you.

We routinely pay $75 shipping charges for items shipped on dry ice, which has similar limitations. Shipping is not free. Packaging is not free. Cold packs are not free.

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Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Jul 14, 2015 • 1:15:41pm

re: #293 lawhawk

It was reenactors in German uniforms, not actual Nazis:

Well, it’s very hard to get pictures of American troops anywhere.
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Franklin  Jul 14, 2015 • 1:17:29pm

re: #287 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸

i didnt check to see if anybody else has said this, but it seems to me that the iran deal has very little chance of passing congress

I am reading this now:

How Congress could kill the Iran deal, and why it probably won’t

Assuming every Republican in the House and Senate votes to disapprove the deal, 13 Senate Democrats and 44 House Democrats would have to join them to kill Obama’s veto. (If a vacant House seat is filled by a Republican by the time of the vote, only 43 House Democrats would be needed.)

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ObserverArt  Jul 14, 2015 • 1:18:43pm

re: #293 lawhawk

It was reenactors in German uniforms, not actual Nazis:

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I could tell by the color in the image in your number #238. An original WW2 era photo would have come off with a different appearance.

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Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Jul 14, 2015 • 1:18:44pm

re: #294 Blind Frog Belly White

This. Shipping living tissue must be done with cold packs, must be overnight. You need a lot more mass in cold packs than tissue, lots and lots of mass, so it’s still cold when it arrives, even if it comes from Florida and goes through Texas on the way to you.

We routinely pay $75 shipping charges for items shipped on dry ice, which has similar limitations. Shipping is not free. Packaging is not free. Cold packs are not free.

Yes another wingnut scam that they’ll continue to circulate as PROOF but because no crime is being committed no investigation will amount to anything and the RWNJ will dredge the same thing up again in another six months, rinse, repeat.

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Dr. Matt  Jul 14, 2015 • 1:18:59pm

re: #293 lawhawk

It was reenactors in German uniforms, not actual Nazis:

I understand the mix up. Finding quality photos of actual US soldiers can be a daunting task.

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A Cranky One  Jul 14, 2015 • 1:20:22pm

Has Trump actually put together any kind of campaign committee or staff? Has he hired a campaign manager, or started to put together any of the organization needed to run a functional campaign or is it just a few unpaid interns, the Donald’s ego and his “hair”?

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Dr. Matt  Jul 14, 2015 • 1:21:03pm

Drudge is still obsessed over the Iran Deal, so outside of the twitterverse, very few conservatives realize PP was auctioning fetal remains on Ebay.

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Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Jul 14, 2015 • 1:21:04pm

re: #300 A Cranky One

Has Trump actually put together any kind of campaign committee or staff? Has he hired a campaign manager, or started to put together any of the organization needed to run a functional campaign or is it just a few unpaid interns, the Donald’s ego and his “hair”?

Trump is above that sort of thing.

/

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Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Jul 14, 2015 • 1:22:14pm

re: #301 Dr. Matt

Drudge is still obsessed over the Iran Deal, so outside of the twitterverse, very conservatives realize PP was auctioning fetal remains on Ebay.

Heck, PP is right outside my government office now handing out bags of organs and limbs.

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makeitstop  Jul 14, 2015 • 1:22:34pm

re: #300 A Cranky One

Has Trump actually put together any kind of campaign committee or staff? Has he hired a campaign manager, or started to put together any of the organization needed to run a functional campaign or is it just a few unpaid interns, the Donald’s ego and his “hair”?

He’ll wait until one of the other loons drops out and make a cash offer for their staff.

The Art of The Deal.
//

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Dr. Matt  Jul 14, 2015 • 1:22:59pm

re: #303 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse

Heck, PP is right outside my government office now handing out bags of organs and limbs.

///

Save me a spleen. Those are tasty on a triscuit cracker.

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aagcobb  Jul 14, 2015 • 1:23:19pm

re: #287 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸

i didnt check to see if anybody else has said this, but it seems to me that the iran deal has very little chance of passing congress

Fortunately, it doesn’t have to. The opponents have to get a veto proof majority to block it, so as long as enough Democrats side with the Administration, its a done deal.

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A Cranky One  Jul 14, 2015 • 1:23:25pm

re: #302 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse

Trump is above that sort of thing.

/

Ah, I keep forgetting that he’s the greatest and bestest of all time at everything.

Silly me.

/

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A Cranky One  Jul 14, 2015 • 1:25:43pm

re: #303 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse

Heck, PP is right outside my government office now handing out bags of organs and limbs.

///

It’s true. I got one!

Just the organs though. They were out of limbs.

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Targetpractice  Jul 14, 2015 • 1:26:37pm

re: #287 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸

i didnt check to see if anybody else has said this, but it seems to me that the iran deal has very little chance of passing congress

Problem for Republicans is they already agreed to a deal with the White House where there doesn’t have to be a vote to approve the Iran deal, but instead one to disapprove of it. And they have 30 days in which to do so, 45 if they should try to make an attempt at overturning a veto. All he has to do is keep enough Democrats on his side in one house of Congress to prevent his veto being overridden and the deal goes into effect.

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Mike Lamb  Jul 14, 2015 • 1:27:46pm

And what’s the end game for “selling” these samples? Frankenbabies?

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Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Jul 14, 2015 • 1:29:10pm

re: #310 Mike Lamb

And what’s the end game for “selling” these samples? Frankenbabies?

Pepsi uses the organs to taste test their soda pop.

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makeitstop  Jul 14, 2015 • 1:31:48pm

re: #311 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse

Pepsi uses the organs to taste test their soda pop.

///

And they get the $30 price for a bulk discount.

//

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Eventual Carrion  Jul 14, 2015 • 1:33:06pm

re: #308 A Cranky One

It’s true. I got one!

Embedded Image

Just the organs though. They were out of limbs.

Don’t worry, after this storm my backyard will be full of them. I will save you a few.

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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Jul 14, 2015 • 1:33:30pm

re: #309 Targetpractice

Problem for Republicans is they already agreed to a deal with the White House where there doesn’t have to be a vote to approve the Iran deal, but instead one to disapprove of it. And they have 30 days in which to do so, 45 if they should try to make an attempt at overturning a veto. All he has to do is keep enough Democrats on his side in one house of Congress to prevent his veto being overridden and the deal goes into effect.

aha - i didnt know that

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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Jul 14, 2015 • 1:37:33pm

re: #306 aagcobb

Fortunately, it doesn’t have to. The opponents have to get a veto proof majority to block it, so as long as enough Democrats side with the Administration, its a done deal.

aha #2

thanks - just saw this

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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Jul 14, 2015 • 1:38:11pm

re: #296 Franklin

I am reading this now:

How Congress could kill the Iran deal, and why it probably won’t

aha #3

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Jul 14, 2015 • 1:39:17pm

re: #199 jaunte

If we pay fast food workers a living wage, none of us will be able to afford fast food!!

or automobiles!!!

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Ace-o-aces  Jul 14, 2015 • 1:39:54pm

Oh yeah, this seems totally legit. This person thinks your typical abortion clinic is hauling away semi-trucks worth of fetal tissue on a regular basis!

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Jul 14, 2015 • 1:40:37pm

re: #238 lawhawk

[Embedded content]

It looks like the image is a shutterstock image from 2006 showing persons wearing German military gear.

looks like another unpaid intern is gonna get the sack…

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Jul 14, 2015 • 1:41:53pm

re: #251 Kilroy01

Embedded Image

Looks the same. Very German.

One smnall qualifier: even as kids we knew the Germans were eeevil personified, but we still thought they had the snazziest uniforms and coolest tanks and equipment…

bad guys are just like that

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jul 14, 2015 • 1:44:23pm

re: #270 lawhawk

Fizzles, not failures. Very distinct difference. They did detonate a nuclear device, but it was much less than what they hoped it would be, though it was still several kilotons, with some estimates putting at least one of the detonations approaching Hiroshima levels - 16kt.

Added:
There were 3 separate tests conducted - one was a complete fizzle. One was what appears to be a success with a low order detonation. The third and most recent test was in the 8-16kt range.

Well, reports differ, and there’s been enormous pressure from all sides to exaggerate the yield of all three tests. For that reason, counter to the usual, I believe the earlier reports more than the later ones.

The first test was completely consistent with nothing happening at all—just the high explosive detonating. The second, at 600-800 tons, has all the hallmarks of what was called a “single-point failure” where only one of the two detonators in a two-point air lens goes off. (Wikipedia has a good discussion of the Swan device, tested in Redwing Inca.) It’s called a failure because you don’t want any nuclear yield at all in that situation, but it’s undeniable that we had bombs flying around over our heads for years that weren’t “single-point-safe”.

The third test might have been an actual nuclear explosion—6-8 kilotons. India’s first test, at 12 kT, was so disappointing that they gave up for about 25 years.

Seriously, though, what use is an 8 kT device that you probably have no way to deliver, when our smallest strategic weapon is 150 and could be launched off a submarine at a moment’s notice? Even if you could somehow lob it into Seoul, that would be complete suicide. I just don’t find the threat credible in any way.

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BeachDem  Jul 14, 2015 • 1:48:44pm

re: #318 Ace-o-aces

[Embedded content]

Oh yeah, this seems totally legit. This person thinks your typical abortion clinic is hauling away semi-trucks worth of fetal tissue on a regular basis!

That one’s timeline is derptacular.

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scottslemmons  Jul 14, 2015 • 1:55:50pm

re: #318 Ace-o-aces

Wow, that’s like the Satanic Panic scare. People are just killing thousands — no, millions of babbies! You can fill semis with ‘em! And no one mentions ‘em ‘cause they’re all in on The Conspiracy!

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Eric The Fruit Bat  Jul 14, 2015 • 2:31:05pm

Now this is novel: Reagan/Bush era “Just Say No” loon using RICO civil suits against suppliers of business services to marijuana shops in Colorado. Goal: to put the pot shops out of business.

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Thrazidun  Jul 15, 2015 • 7:14:01am

“Also predictably freaking out: Benjamin Netanyahu.”

Interesting that you call this freaking out. I believe he has actual valid concerns. Not only worried that Iran will not keep their word and still develop a warhead but also the lifting of the arms embargo (something which they claimed would not be lifted). The evidence is clear that Iran is sponsoring Hezbollah, how hard would it be to get them a warhead to smuggle into Israel?

I think he has actual concerns, such as the protection of his people. I really hope for the sake of Israel all these flippant remarks, calling this a freakout or wingnuts or whatever is correct.

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The Mulai  Jul 17, 2015 • 1:36:00pm

Something is better than nothing. At least there will be some access to Iran. Ultimately if Iran is on the verge of getting a nuke Israel will bomb the reactor just as they did to Iraq a long time ago in Operation Opera.


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