Donald Trump on John McCain: “He’s Not a War Hero. I Like People Who Weren’t Captured.”

The hateful idiot face of the GOP spews again

As we pointed out a few days ago, Donald Trump dodged military service during the Vietnam War with a series of student and medical deferments, like the privileged sons of many wealthy people did.

But that hasn’t stopped him from saying horrible things like this, about Sen. John McCain:

“He’s not a war hero,” said Trump. “He was a war hero because he was captured. I like people who weren’t captured.”

And now other Republicans smell blood in the water:

Bill Kristol, of course, has been heavily promoting Donald Trump before this.

And the harshest words are coming from former Texas Governor Rick Perry, who’s calling Trump “unfit to be commander in chief.” Well, duh.

Congratulations, Republicans. This is your face now. You laid the foundation of a crazed xenophobic base that thrives on mean-spiritedness, and Donald Trump moved in and built a casino on it.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 18, 2015 • 10:44:38am
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Targetpractice  Jul 18, 2015 • 10:46:46am

And now watch as those who once took pleasure in ripping apart Democrat war veterans like John Kerry, Max Cleland, and Tammy Duckworth all of a sudden jump into the dogpile atop Trump to defend the honor of John McCain, a man that they likewise took glee in denigrating when he was running against “C+ Augutus” in 2000.

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Varek Raith  Jul 18, 2015 • 10:48:46am

This is the GOP.
Anyone who thinks otherwise is kidding themselves.

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austin_blue  Jul 18, 2015 • 10:50:52am

re: #2 Targetpractice

And now watch as those who once took pleasure in ripping apart Democrat war veterans like John Kerry, Max Cleland, and Tammy Duckworth all of a sudden jump into the dogpile atop Trump to defend the honor of John McCain, a man that they likewise took glee in denigrating when he was running against “C+ Augutus” in 2000.

Morality and memory are malleable to these ass-clowns, aren’t they?

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wrenchwench  Jul 18, 2015 • 10:51:32am
You laid the foundation of a crazed xenophobic base that thrives on mean-spiritedness, and Donald Trump moved in and built a casino on it.

And immediately went morally bankrupt.

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Shiplord Kirel  Jul 18, 2015 • 10:56:37am

With the mainstreaming of Alex Jones and rt.com, and their seditious Jade Helm fantasies, this fits right in with cutting edge Republican base “thought.”

Perry, btw, served in the USAF as a C-130 pilot. Needless to say, I respect that but it hardly gives him a pass for his many shortcomings as a politician and a human being.

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FormerDirtDart  Jul 18, 2015 • 10:57:58am
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Ace-o-aces  Jul 18, 2015 • 10:57:58am

re: #2 Targetpractice

And now watch as those who once took pleasure in ripping apart Democrat war veterans like John Kerry, Max Cleland, and Tammy Duckworth all of a sudden jump into the dogpile atop Trump to defend the honor of John McCain, a man that they likewise took glee in denigrating when he was running against “C+ Augutus” in 2000.

Ahhh, but notice that back in 2000, the GOP candidates did not attacks Kerry’s service themselves, but through proxies. It gave them a measure of deniability in the slandering. Trump has made the mistake of criticizing McCain himself.

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Lidane  Jul 18, 2015 • 11:01:21am

I’ve got my political disagreements with John McCain, and I’ll never forgive him for foisting Sarah Palin on the rest of us, but he was absolutely a war hero. Dude survived 5+ years at the Hanoi Hilton, which is definitely worth my respect.

Fuck Trump.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jul 18, 2015 • 11:01:38am

Curious to see if any RW notables side with Trump on this.

It’s funny how Mccain was nearly considered a Liberal when the tea party began but then he shuffled his way further right and managed to keep his seat.

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bratwurst  Jul 18, 2015 • 11:05:06am
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Kid A  Jul 18, 2015 • 11:07:03am
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Shiplord Kirel  Jul 18, 2015 • 11:08:06am

re: #11 bratwurst

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Donald J. Trump ✔@realDonaldTrump
Captured or not, all our soldiers are heroes!

Too late, Trump. You don’t fuck with PoWs.

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stpaulbear  Jul 18, 2015 • 11:08:26am

re: #10 Eclectic Cyborg

Curious to see if any RW notables side with Trump on this.

Everybody who stil wants to support Trump will just pretend he never said it. I can’t imagine that anyone will support this out loud.

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bratwurst  Jul 18, 2015 • 11:09:24am

It was obvious to anyone with an IQ over room temperature that Trump’s candidacy would implode. I was just hoping it wouldn’t be until after the first debate.

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Kid A  Jul 18, 2015 • 11:09:33am

I swear, Chump has to be doing all of this on purpose for some reason. Is it possible that Doughy is right and that Chump is the ultimatroll?

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FormerDirtDart  Jul 18, 2015 • 11:09:45am

re: #8 Ace-o-aces

Ahhh, but notice that back in 2000, the GOP candidates did not attacks Kerry’s service themselves, but through proxies. It gave them a measure of deniability in the slandering. Trump has made the mistake of criticizing McCain himself.

If I recall, there was a good deal of GOP proxies attacking McCain in 2000. Blaming him for the USS Forrestal fire, and that he collaborated with the enemy while in captivity

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ObserverArt  Jul 18, 2015 • 11:11:18am

Aww man. I was working on an update to my old Mitt headroom Photoshop to Trump but didn’t get it completed. But I just finished it off to enter the fray!

I’m Ri…Rrrrrrrrii…Rich. Rich I am…amamamam…RiRiRi RICH!!!
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Shiplord Kirel  Jul 18, 2015 • 11:13:01am

re: #15 bratwurst

It was obvious to anyone with an IQ over room temperature that Trump’s candidacy would implode. I was just hoping it wouldn’t be until after the first debate.

I was hoping it wouldn’t happen till after he won the nomination.

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Kid A  Jul 18, 2015 • 11:13:36am

Chump says McCain isn’t a war hero. Denies saying McCain isn’t a war hero.

At a press availability following his remarks, Trump denied saying that McCain isn’t a war hero and said, “If somebody’s a prisoner, I consider them a war hero.”

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HappyWarrior  Jul 18, 2015 • 11:13:45am

I’ve got no love for McCain but fuck Trump. Trump wouldn’t know heroism if it bit him in the ass. But this is the Republican Party that they’ve built where calling immigrants rapists and murderers is a okay as booing gay service members and now trashing POWs.. The other candidates are rightfully criticizing Trump but where were they when Kerry’s service got attacked.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 18, 2015 • 11:17:19am
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HappyWarrior  Jul 18, 2015 • 11:17:21am

He actually doesn’t outright say that being capture doesn’t make one a hero but the slimy bastard does imply that being captured makes one’s service less than admirable. Fuck him. This is a guy who has lived a sheltered life from the start. I’ve got no love for McCain but McCain didn’t have to serve in the military and he did. Trump meanwhile did everything possible to get out of it yet wants more wars. Again fuck him.

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stpaulbear  Jul 18, 2015 • 11:18:26am

Amazon gold box deals has a half dozen rifle scopes and binoculars listed right now. I wonder if they’re trying to make some money off the Jade Helm whackos?

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Kid A  Jul 18, 2015 • 11:18:28am

re: #22 Backwoods_Sleuth

144 likes, 128 likes, 92 likes…

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HappyWarrior  Jul 18, 2015 • 11:18:39am

re: #22 Backwoods_Sleuth

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I am not surprised at all that this is having some resonance with the base since after all McCain’s military record has always been attacked by many parts of the base.

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bratwurst  Jul 18, 2015 • 11:21:35am
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FormerDirtDart  Jul 18, 2015 • 11:22:04am

re: #19 Shiplord Kirel

I was hoping it wouldn’t happen till after he won the nomination.

Nomination?
Oh no, Trump needs to stay in until he’s convinced that it’s the GOP hierarchy is out to block him being elected and denying the American people of his brilliance. So he’ll pull a Perot, at least splitting the far right voting block
Donald Trump Refuses to Rule Out Third Party Candidacy

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HappyWarrior  Jul 18, 2015 • 11:22:40am

re: #27 bratwurst

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This is what’s going to happen I expect. It’s their own damn fault too for creating a political base where this is acceptable.

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De Kolta Chair  Jul 18, 2015 • 11:22:41am
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Archangelus  Jul 18, 2015 • 11:24:44am

re: #28 FormerDirtDart

Nomination?
Oh no, Trump needs to stay in until he’s convinced that it’s the GOP hierarchy is out to block him being elected and denying the American people of his brilliance. So he’ll pull a Perot, at least splitting the far right voting block
Donald Trump Refuses to Rule Out Third Party Candidacy

Is it wrong that I’m dreaming of this exact scenario?

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HappyWarrior  Jul 18, 2015 • 11:25:05am

I totally expect this to increase the conspiracies that Trump is actually a secret Dem plant in it only to make the GOP look bad. Of course, this ignores that so many of the GOP were cheering on Trump or silent when he made attacks on immigrants but now will act like he’s a poisonous piece of shit because he attacked McCain’s military record which make no mistake is awful but the writing has been on the wall with Donald for years now that he’s a poisonous prick.

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bratwurst  Jul 18, 2015 • 11:25:31am

Wait, Trump is STILL digging!

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HappyWarrior  Jul 18, 2015 • 11:26:25am

Am I a bad person for taking a certain amount of joy in seeing the GOP have exactly what their establishment did not want to happen? I want a sane opposition to the Democrats and the GOP hasn’t given us that. So I think it’s only just to let them fuck themselves through shit like this.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 18, 2015 • 11:26:55am

re: #33 bratwurst

Wait, Trump is STILL digging!

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And what have you done for veterans, Donald?

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Ace-o-aces  Jul 18, 2015 • 11:27:45am
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Kid A  Jul 18, 2015 • 11:28:03am

re: #35 HappyWarrior

And what have you done for veterans, Donald?

Built casinos.
//

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ObserverArt  Jul 18, 2015 • 11:28:14am

I made this comment in the last thread…in answer to Dr. Matt saying he hoped Trump stayed in the race for a month.

- - - -

A month?

That might not be enough to totally wreck the party. I’m thinking to make suitable and permanent change he needs to get through to sometime next year. Clowning it the whole way.

And besides…since the GOP National Convention is going to be in Cleveland and me being an Ohioan, I want to see Cleveland get as much out of this as possible media wise and a Trump still causing trouble right up to a convention would be a key to the best controversy and messiness.

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BlueSpotinAL  Jul 18, 2015 • 11:29:29am

My irony meter exploded!

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Kid A  Jul 18, 2015 • 11:30:28am

Am I a bad person for smiling from ear to ear last month seeing that Trump’s casino in Las Vegas is at the very, very, very back of the Strip next to all the flea bag hotels?

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Kid A  Jul 18, 2015 • 11:31:06am

re: #39 BlueSpotinAL

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HappyWarrior  Jul 18, 2015 • 11:31:53am

re: #40 Kid A

Am I a bad person for smiling from ear to ear last month seeing that Trump’s casino in Las Vegas is at the very, very, very back of the Strip next to all the flea bag hotels?

Not at all. I wouldn’t cry a tear for him if he went bankrupt.

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Targetpractice  Jul 18, 2015 • 11:32:23am

You know, I really feel stupid now. I mean, when people talked months ago about a Trump candidacy, I took it as the joke it seemed to be at the time. The man hadn’t made any serious effort in 2012, and had used the increased attention to promote his show. So when he started making noises again this year, I figured he was wasting everybody’s time and so focused on Ted Cruz being the albatross around the GOP’s neck.

But God Almighty, I never feel more happy about being so wrong. I predicted that Ted would be the spoiler, as he’d boast about being a guy who pissed off people on both sides of the aisle. But Havana Ted on a good day couldn’t come close to the rank stupidity and absolutely biblical level of assholishness that is Donald Trump.

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Kid A  Jul 18, 2015 • 11:33:16am

re: #42 HappyWarrior

Not at all. I wouldn’t cry a tear for him if he went bankrupt.

For the fifth time.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 18, 2015 • 11:34:49am
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GlutenFreeJesus  Jul 18, 2015 • 11:35:07am

Trump proving he’s an asshole. It must be a day ending in y.

Meanwhile. I’m watching this. Those poor people.

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Lancelot Link  Jul 18, 2015 • 11:36:12am

Did you know that the main financial backers of “Swift Boat Veterans For Truth” have also been huge financial backers of “Americans For Rick Perry”?

news.muckety.com

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Kragar  Jul 18, 2015 • 11:36:56am
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HappyWarrior  Jul 18, 2015 • 11:37:13am

re: #47 Lancelot Link

Did you know that the main financial backers of “Swift Boat Veterans For Truth” are also huge financial backers of “Americans For Rick Perry”?

news.muckety.com

They had to be backing someone. Not surprised it’s Perry.

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Targetpractice  Jul 18, 2015 • 11:37:48am

re: #48 Kragar

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Cruz is really hoping to either be Trump’s VP nod or vice versa.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 18, 2015 • 11:37:53am

re: #48 Kragar

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When Ted Cruz comes off more like a statesman than you, I don’t even know what to say.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 18, 2015 • 11:38:35am

re: #44 Kid A

For the fifth time.

Right well I meant that he’ll have to live poor. The guy deserves it.

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Ace-o-aces  Jul 18, 2015 • 11:39:18am
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Kragar  Jul 18, 2015 • 11:40:35am
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No Depression  Jul 18, 2015 • 11:41:01am

re: #22 Backwoods_Sleuth

Honestly, this doesn’t really surprise me. For some on the right “Support the Troops” only applies to troops that they think are just like them.

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Targetpractice  Jul 18, 2015 • 11:43:57am

The GOP leadership has got to be absolutely hating life. It seems every day now is either spent dreading the latest Trump screed or dealing with the fallout from the last one. And their field, which was supposedly so “strong,” is getting cannibalized as votes for guys who months ago were looked as “the one to watch” are now holding on desperately to single digit poll numbers.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 18, 2015 • 11:44:39am

re: #54 Kragar

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Hmmm who’s got the tyrannical aspirations?

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Joe Bacon  Jul 18, 2015 • 11:44:59am

I can only hope that the five fools on the Supreme Court who issued the Citizens United decision are looking on at horror as to what they’ve created…

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Joe Bacon  Jul 18, 2015 • 11:46:22am

re: #54 Kragar

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There are laws on the books passed under President Grant that empower the Federal Government to go after the goons (Force Acts of 1870, 1872 and the Ku Klux Klan Act)…

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Tigger2  Jul 18, 2015 • 11:46:43am

re: #58 Joe Bacon

I can only hope that the five fools on the Supreme Court who issued the Citizens United decision are looking on at horror as to what they’ve created…

Yeah it’s not working out to well for the GOP that wanted the ruling. lol

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Kragar  Jul 18, 2015 • 11:47:17am
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HappyWarrior  Jul 18, 2015 • 11:47:36am

re: #56 Targetpractice

The GOP leadership has got to be absolutely hating life. It seems every day now is either spent dreading the latest Trump screed or dealing with the fallout from the last one. And their field, which was supposedly so “strong,” is getting cannibalized as votes for guys who months ago were looked as “the one to watch” are now holding on desperately to single digit poll numbers.

I bet. I don’t feel bad for the leadership at all though. After all they’re the ones who decided to first join a party that cynically went after the old Dixiecrats and now are leaders in a party that cynically opposes any use of government that doesn’t benefit the very wealthy. Fuck them. I honestly have more contempt for the GOP leadership than I do the rank and file. The rank and file are idiots and fanatics to be sure but the leadership are the ones that have been enabling these bigots for years.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 18, 2015 • 11:48:20am

re: #61 Kragar

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“Thank you for your service. Oh wait you’re a liberal, you didn’t really serve.”

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Joe Bacon  Jul 18, 2015 • 11:48:22am

I just waiting for Trump to “Swift Boat” Perry and Lindsay Graham.

You know that’s coming down the poop chute!

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Kragar  Jul 18, 2015 • 11:48:42am
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bratwurst  Jul 18, 2015 • 11:48:58am

re: #56 Targetpractice

The GOP leadership has got to be absolutely hating life. It seems every day now is either spent dreading the latest Trump screed or dealing with the fallout from the last one.

Actually, I think what is happening now is the answer to their prayers. The “establishment” wing of the party has been desperate for a way to pop the balloon. Insulting a vet, even one was widely disliked within the party as McCain, is just the needle they have been waiting for.

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Higgs Boson's Mate  Jul 18, 2015 • 11:49:16am

re: #54 Kragar

Jade Helm 15 watchdog writes off liberals as ‘useless’: ‘I can’t wait to kill thousands of these f*cks’

He would do well to consider that any number of liberals served and fought. Some of us are armed. That would give us a significant advantage over, say, an untrained blowhard with more imagination than practice.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 18, 2015 • 11:50:51am

re: #67 Higgs Boson’s Mate

He would do well to consider that any number of liberals served and fought. Some of us are armed. That would give us a significant advantage over, say, an untrained blowhard with more imagination than practice.

They really think every liberal is the cartoon image of a liberal that they’ve painted in their mind after years of hearing crap lies about liberals from the Limbaughs of the world.

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Tigger2  Jul 18, 2015 • 11:51:38am

re: #67 Higgs Boson’s Mate

He would do well to consider that any number of liberals served and fought. Some of us are armed. That would give us a significant advantage over, say, an untrained blowhard with more imagination than practice.

I would say not “some” I would say a lot of us are very well armed.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 18, 2015 • 11:52:54am

re: #69 Tigger2

I would say not “some” I would say a lot of us are very well armed.

I am not armed but if some right wing fuckwad decided to fuck with me, I’d fight back and fight hard.

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Kragar  Jul 18, 2015 • 11:52:56am

re: #63 HappyWarrior

I’ve been told that after serving for 8.5 years, that I’m not a real veteran because I got out 5 months after 9/11 and didn’t chose to ignore my medical problems and other personal issues to re-enlist to fight in Afghanistan and Iraq.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 18, 2015 • 11:53:59am

re: #71 Kragar

I’ve been told that after serving for 8.5 years, that I’m not a real veteran because I got out 5 months after 9/11 and didn’t chose to ignore my medical problems and other personal issues to re-enlist to fight in Afghanistan and Iraq.

Man that’s so fucked up.

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Charles Johnson  Jul 18, 2015 • 11:54:31am

The Republican base is utterly deranged.

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freetoken  Jul 18, 2015 • 11:55:05am

Some of the establishment right-wing sites are declaring Trump’s campaign over.

The rabble bumble on about how Trump is really a Dem plant.

I don’t know what the primaries will really hold, but I have to believe that eventually the establishment GOP will simply do what they can to sweep Trump out of the process.

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Higgs Boson's Mate  Jul 18, 2015 • 11:55:43am

re: #69 Tigger2

I would say not “some” I would say a lot of us are very well armed.

Not sure how much use I’d be anymore. Sometimes it takes me four shots to hit a pie tin at 220 yds. with my old Ruger Super Blackhawk over open sights. Yes, handloads.

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The Mulai  Jul 18, 2015 • 11:55:55am

John McCain for years has been all talk. He is like most politicians. He goes the way the wind blows. When the polls change he changes. That being said Trump should not have said what he said.

But I do not think it matters one bit. The debt is 19 trillion. Student loan debt is 1.3 trillion. Credit card debt is 1 trillion. Manufacturing never has come back. Just last week Ford said they were closing a Michigan plant and moving to Mexico. The real unemployment rate is 16%. There are more part time workers than ever. Wages are at 1990 levels.

We are heading for a Greece situation.

People vote their pocket book. Bernie Sanders is the only one talking about the problems and solutions. Hillary says nothing but panders to her base. The Republicans got 15 candidates. Who knows who will be the nominee against a probable Hillary contest.

The winner next year will be the one that talks solutions to problems and energizes their base. Bernie Sanders energizes people. That is why Obama won twice and why the Democrats lost badly in the mid terms. When Obama was on the ballot his base went out and voted. When not they stayed home.

Bernie Sanders may be way down in the polls but it is early. I believe he will have a better chance against any Republican nominee because he energizes the base. The Democrats are not going to turn out for the general election if Hillary is the nominee. She simply has no charisma and no charm

Bernie is the man that can win in 2016.

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Kragar  Jul 18, 2015 • 11:55:56am

re: #70 HappyWarrior

RWNJs keep forgetting one salient point in their revolution fantasies.

You don’t need to own all the guns as long as you have a plan to get one when needed.

Such as raiding your local RWNjs arsenal…

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HappyWarrior  Jul 18, 2015 • 11:55:57am

re: #73 Charles Johnson

The Republican base is utterly deranged.

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But the shutdown was Obama’s fault I thought and a terrible thing. As I said, this is the party that the establishment has built. I’m going to enjoy seeing them fail again.

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Kragar  Jul 18, 2015 • 11:56:50am

re: #76 The Mulai

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sizzzzlerz  Jul 18, 2015 • 11:57:00am

And another Trump intern is burned at the stake!

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Varek Raith  Jul 18, 2015 • 11:57:23am

e_e

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CuriousLurker  Jul 18, 2015 • 11:57:58am

re: #71 Kragar

I’ve been told that after serving for 8.5 years, that I’m not a real veteran because I got out 5 months after 9/11 and didn’t chose to ignore my medical problems and other personal issues to re-enlist to fight in Afghanistan and Iraq.

That sucks—I’m really sorry to hear it. I know it doesn’t make up for it, but thank you for your service.

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Chez Ko Pe  Jul 18, 2015 • 11:58:21am

Donald, when Bill freakin’ Kristol demonstrates that he’s more intelligent than you, it’s time to go away.

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freetoken  Jul 18, 2015 • 11:59:03am

re: #73 Charles Johnson

I’m more convinced than ever that the reactionary self-destructive behavior we’re seeing (and exploited by Republicans who decades ago would be thought of as Dixiecrats) arises because the changes in our society are too quick for people as they age.

Ironic it is, given a large number in those GOP crowds collect Social Security (even SSI), that they would cheer cutting their own throats.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 18, 2015 • 12:00:44pm
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Varek Raith  Jul 18, 2015 • 12:01:16pm

re: #76 The Mulai

The Democrats are not going to turn out for the general election if Hillary is the nominee.

Then they might as well be republicans in my book.
Also, idiots.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 18, 2015 • 12:03:21pm

GREECE!!11!! WE’RE TURNING INTO GREECE!!11!!!

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Tigger2  Jul 18, 2015 • 12:04:03pm

re: #86 Varek Raith

Then they might as well be republicans in my book.
Also, idiots.

Oh I think they will, I think a lot see the danger of any of these Republicans getting in, and even more will see that as the election goes on. A follow up to Muliaj, just clicked your.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 18, 2015 • 12:04:30pm

re: #86 Varek Raith

Then they might as well be republicans in my book.
Also, idiots.

It would seem to me that those who refuse to vote for Hillary in a GE are the same ones who said there was no difference between Gore and Bush in 2000 and yet were the ones who flipped out the most when Bush ya know showed how he was different from Gore. I still don’t know what to make out of Hillary but this much I do know, she’ll make a much better president than any of the Republicans running.

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Kragar  Jul 18, 2015 • 12:04:37pm

re: #87 Backwoods_Sleuth

GREECE!!11!! WE’RE TURNING INTO GREECE!!11!!!

I’ve got chills. They’re multiplying…

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Varek Raith  Jul 18, 2015 • 12:04:41pm

Charisma and charm?
For real?

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Varek Raith  Jul 18, 2015 • 12:05:46pm

The same ones who voted for Nader, costing Gore the election.

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Kragar  Jul 18, 2015 • 12:06:53pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 18, 2015 • 12:08:36pm
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Varek Raith  Jul 18, 2015 • 12:08:47pm

Most annoying for me is that none of Sanders’s supporters can tell me how he plans on implementing his policies. They just like a firebrand.

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stpaulbear  Jul 18, 2015 • 12:08:50pm

re: #93 Kragar

To be fair, Cheney thinks service is for losers too.

Winners make money from war.

Edit: and America’s Best Christian beats me by 14 seconds…

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 18, 2015 • 12:09:58pm

re: #95 Varek Raith

Most annoying for me is that none of Sanders’s supporters can tell me how he plans on implementing his policies. They just like a firebrand.

And all they can do is insult Hillary.
It’s so off-putting.

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Targetpractice  Jul 18, 2015 • 12:10:08pm

re: #95 Varek Raith

Most annoying for me is that none of Sanders’s supporters can tell me how he plans on implementing his policies. They just like a firebrand.

I see much of the same mania in diehard Sanders supporters that I saw in Ron Paul supporters, that complete and total disconnect between what the man can promise on the campaign trail and what he could actually accomplish even under the most optimistic of scenarios.

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De Kolta Chair  Jul 18, 2015 • 12:10:11pm

re: #87 Backwoods_Sleuth

GREECE!!11!! WE’RE TURNING INTO GREECE!!11!!!

Tsoureki — it’s not just for Easter anymore.
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Dr. Matt  Jul 18, 2015 • 12:10:20pm

Trump’s poisonous and vile rhetoric are nothing new. He’s getting more attention now because he’s polling well. What will Trump have to say or do for the degenerates in the GOP base to finally distance themselves from the charlton?

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HappyWarrior  Jul 18, 2015 • 12:11:41pm

re: #95 Varek Raith

Most annoying for me is that none of Sanders’s supporters can tell me how he plans on implementing his policies. They just like a firebrand.

I agree with you and I am expecting to vote for Bernie in the primaries. However, this is a legit criticism of those who clamor for a “true progressive” voice. Unfortunately, I think Bernie would end up disappointing some of his most strident supporters upon election. I really do get why people want an alternative to Clinton.

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wrenchwench  Jul 18, 2015 • 12:11:46pm
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Targetpractice  Jul 18, 2015 • 12:11:54pm

re: #100 Dr. Matt

Trump’s poisonous and vile rhetoric are nothing new. He’s getting more attention now because he’s polling well. What will Trump have to say or do for the degenerates in the GOP base to finally distance themselves from the charlton?

Hug the President.

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Dr. Matt  Jul 18, 2015 • 12:12:56pm

re: #103 Targetpractice

Hug the President.

Appropriately so your post lacks the sarc tag.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 18, 2015 • 12:15:52pm

I mean if you want a liberal candidate, I get it. I’m there with you. Hell as I said I’m probably going to vote for Sanders if he’s there but I do wish some of my fellow liberals would realize that there is only so much a president himself can do. If we saw Obama who started out with a much more favorable Congressional environment than Obama struggle than what does one expect with Sanders? I just hope if Sanders were to somehow be elected that his many supporters on the left wouldn’t cry sell out or traitor the second he’d be forced inevitably to compromise.

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Charles Johnson  Jul 18, 2015 • 12:16:57pm

Comments on Donald Trump’s Facebook page are overwhelmingly positive. The right wing base loves this kind of shit.

m.facebook.com

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Dr. Matt  Jul 18, 2015 • 12:17:12pm
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HappyWarrior  Jul 18, 2015 • 12:17:46pm

re: #106 Charles Johnson

Comments on Donald Trump’s Facebook page are overwhelmingly positive. The right wing base loves this kind of shit.

m.facebook.com

Oh come on Charles, you know they’re just liberals who liked Trump’s facebook page and then commented on his comments simply to make conservatives look bad. No conservative Republican would ever disrespect or mock someone’s military service ever.//

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Targetpractice  Jul 18, 2015 • 12:17:52pm

re: #104 Dr. Matt

Appropriately so your post lacks the sarc tag.

Really, any show of support for the President has been a campaign killer. Even if Christie hadn’t run Jersey into the ground and been under the crosshairs of Bridgegate, he was already DOA in terms of his presidential ambitions the moment he treated the President as anything besides a colleague in getting the state up again after Sandy.

The only other sure killer has been showing any sort of compassion to minority groups, such as Perry’s pointing out the realities of immigration during the 2012 primaries. But Trump’s already done enough on that front that he’s got the wingnuts absolutely convinced that he’s pro-Hispanic.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 18, 2015 • 12:18:03pm

re: #107 Dr. Matt

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Exactly.

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Targetpractice  Jul 18, 2015 • 12:19:20pm

re: #106 Charles Johnson

Comments on Donald Trump’s Facebook page are overwhelmingly positive. The right wing base loves this kind of shit.

m.facebook.com

The GOP leadership has created a monster and is probably going to be absolutely aghast when the next poll comes and Trump is still leading by a very healthy margin.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 18, 2015 • 12:19:20pm

re: #109 Targetpractice

Really, any show of support for the President has been a campaign killer. Even if Christie hadn’t run Jersey into the ground and been under the crosshairs of Bridgegate, he was already DOA in terms of his presidential ambitions the moment he treated the President as anything besides a colleague in getting the state up again after Sandy.

The only other sure killer has been showing any sort of compassion to minority groups, such as Perry’s pointing out the realities of immigration during the 2012 primaries. But Trump’s already done enough on that front that he’s got the wingnuts absolutely convinced that he’s pro-Hispanic.

Yeah those two seem to be the biggest ways to kill your chances with the GOP electorate- praise Obama in someway or show empathy to minorities.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 18, 2015 • 12:24:10pm
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Varek Raith  Jul 18, 2015 • 12:24:53pm

Hmm…
Trump’s gonna run out of dirt to dig real quick here.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 18, 2015 • 12:25:17pm
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De Kolta Chair  Jul 18, 2015 • 12:25:37pm

re: #106 Charles Johnson

Comments on Donald Trump’s Facebook page are overwhelmingly positive. The right wing base loves this kind of shit.

Emphasis mine:

Greg Hense-Dorroh

I was a democrat thanks to you I’m a republican now or whatever you are, keep being awesome!!!

385 * Hide * 1 hour ago

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 18, 2015 • 12:27:08pm

“Proven track record?”

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 18, 2015 • 12:28:00pm
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PhillyPretzel  Jul 18, 2015 • 12:28:09pm

re: #117 Backwoods_Sleuth

I would like to see the proof.

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Romantic Heretic  Jul 18, 2015 • 12:28:18pm

re: #116 De Kolta Chair

Emphasis mine:

Greg Hense-Dorroh

I was a democrat thanks to you I’m a republican now or whatever you are, keep being awesome!!!

385 * Hide * 1 hour ago

Wait. You’re a Democrat thanks to Trump, or you were a Democrat but are now a Republican, or are you now something else?

Grammar, what is it?

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HappyWarrior  Jul 18, 2015 • 12:29:13pm

re: #120 Romantic Heretic

Wait. You’re a Democrat thanks to Trump, or you were a Democrat but are now a Republican, or are you now something else?

Grammar, what is it?

Is our wingnuts learning?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 18, 2015 • 12:30:39pm
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goddamnedfrank  Jul 18, 2015 • 12:31:00pm
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Major Tom  Jul 18, 2015 • 12:31:25pm

Max Hedroom?

Headroom

Now that’s a name I haven’t heard in a long time… a long time.
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Belafon  Jul 18, 2015 • 12:31:30pm

re: #79 Kragar

Thank you.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 18, 2015 • 12:31:35pm

re: #122 Backwoods_Sleuth

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and called a Hamas sympathizer.

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wrenchwench  Jul 18, 2015 • 12:32:19pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 18, 2015 • 12:33:47pm
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HappyWarrior  Jul 18, 2015 • 12:34:22pm

re: #128 Backwoods_Sleuth

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That’s not fair to Johnny Knoxville.

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The Mulai  Jul 18, 2015 • 12:35:45pm

re: #97 Backwoods_Sleuth

At least Sanders is talking issues and solutions. What is Hillary saying?

NOTHING other than pandering to specific interest groups.

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goddamnedfrank  Jul 18, 2015 • 12:37:28pm
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bratwurst  Jul 18, 2015 • 12:37:30pm

Welp…Roger Ailes has given his troops marching orders:

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 18, 2015 • 12:37:57pm

re: #130 The Mulai

At least Sanders is talking issues and solutions. What is Hillary saying?

NOTHING other than pandering to specific interest groups.

LOL

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Targetpractice  Jul 18, 2015 • 12:38:05pm

re: #130 The Mulai

At least Sanders is talking issues and solutions. What is Hillary saying?

NOTHING other than pandering to specific interest groups.

What solutions? More specifically what solutions is he talking that he would have any realistic chance of making law? And please, leave all the starry-eyed talk about how Congress will be cowed into giving him what he wants so as not to anger the voters, because that shit hasn’t flown in generations and it ain’t going to start to now.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 18, 2015 • 12:38:43pm

re: #132 bratwurst

Welp…Roger Ailes has given his troops marching orders:

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Onward wingnut soldiers. Of course Greg is ignoring that Hillary wouldn’t say something like that and that attacking one’s military service record is par the course for the GOP.

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EmmaAnne  Jul 18, 2015 • 12:39:12pm

re: #76 The Mulai

We are heading for a Greece situation.

Down dinged you for this. This is just irresponsible fear mongering. Not cool on our side.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 18, 2015 • 12:40:34pm

Funny how when one candidate speaks to his base and says stuff they want to hear, it’s straight-talking, but when an opponent speaks to her base, saying things they want to hear, it’s “pandering”.

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De Kolta Chair  Jul 18, 2015 • 12:40:41pm

re: #120 Romantic Heretic

Wait. You’re a Democrat thanks to Trump, or you were a Democrat but are now a Republican, or are you now something else?

Grammar, what is it?

“Grammar schammar, The Donald read my reply!!!” //

More likely an intern did.

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wrenchwench  Jul 18, 2015 • 12:41:07pm

re: #130 The Mulai

At least Sanders is talking issues and solutions. What is Hillary saying?

NOTHING other than pandering to specific interest groups.

What interest groups? Women? Minorities?

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bratwurst  Jul 18, 2015 • 12:41:47pm

re: #136 EmmaAnne

Down dinged you for this. This is just irresponsible fear mongering. Not cool on our side.

Agreed. This new Lizard seems to have a VERY specific agenda here. I actually like having Sanders in the race, but the situation here is not, in fact, much like Greece at all.

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BeenHereAwhile  Jul 18, 2015 • 12:42:22pm

re: #77 Kragar

RWNJs keep forgetting one salient point in their revolution fantasies.

You don’t need to own all the guns as long as you have a plan to get one when needed.

Such as raiding your local RWNjs arsenal…

“Oh, when the war breaks out in Mexico, I’m a gonna go to Montreal.
I got a 42nd cousin up in Canada, and it’s time I paid a friendly ca-a-all.
So I’ll pack my grip for the farewell trip, and from the states I’ll go-wah-oh…”

J. Brandon Walsh

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Dr. Matt  Jul 18, 2015 • 12:42:58pm

re: #76 The Mulai

We are heading for a Greece situation..

Bullshit. The teabaggers have been spewing this nonsensical bullshit rhetoric for years. You’re a drama queen/Sanders fanboy. How embarrassing.

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wrenchwench  Jul 18, 2015 • 12:43:52pm

Unfortunately no use of the term ‘Y’all Qaeda’ yet.

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stpaulbear  Jul 18, 2015 • 12:43:52pm

re: #130 The Mulai

At least Sanders is talking issues and solutions. What is Hillary saying?

NOTHING other than pandering to specific interest groups.

LA LA LA LA I can’t hear her!!

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The Mulai  Jul 18, 2015 • 12:45:43pm

re: #101 HappyWarrior

I agree with you and I am expecting to vote for Bernie in the primaries. However, this is a legit criticism of those who clamor for a “true progressive” voice. Unfortunately, I think Bernie would end up disappointing some of his most strident supporters upon election. I really do get why people want an alternative to Clinton.

Hillary will not energize the base. Young people who voted overwhelmingly for Obama will not go to the polls at anywhere near the numbers. The same with minorities! She may be a Clinton but she does not have her husband’s touch with the public. She was 40 points up in the polls in 2007 and did not get the nomination. This time there is no Obama running against her so she probably will get the nomination but it still is too early to say for sure.

Sanders can energize the base. His crowds show that already. People go to sleep when Hillary talks. Ironically I think Hillary’s best chance of becoming President is if Trump is the nominee. I think she loses to everyone else.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 18, 2015 • 12:46:45pm

It’s getting very tiresome now…

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bratwurst  Jul 18, 2015 • 12:47:43pm

re: #145 The Mulai

Ironically I think Hillary’s best chance of becoming President is if Trump is the nominee.

Your understanding of the concept of irony is not any better than that of Alanis Morissette.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 18, 2015 • 12:48:18pm

re: #145 The Mulai

Hillary will not energize the base. Young people who voted overwhelmingly for Obama will not go to the polls at anywhere near the numbers. The same with minorities! She may be a Clinton but she does not have her husband’s touch with the public. She was 40 points up in the polls in 2007 and did not get the nomination. This time there is no Obama running against her so she probably will get the nomination but it still is too early to say for sure.

Sanders can energize the base. His crowds show that already. People go to sleep when Hillary talks. Ironically I think Hillary’s best chance of becoming President is if Trump is the nominee. I think she loses to everyone else.

I am talking about how he’d actually implement his agenda. I also think you underrate her strengths as a candidate and don’t realize how savvy a campaign Obama ran to beat her in 2008.

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Belafon  Jul 18, 2015 • 12:50:22pm

re: #98 Targetpractice

I see much of the same mania in diehard Sanders supporters that I saw in Ron Paul supporters, that complete and total disconnect between what the man can promise on the campaign trail and what he could actually accomplish even under the most optimistic of scenarios.

There was a Daily Kos diary yesterday where the person was trying to brag for Sanders about the fact that while Clinton has spent about $900K on polling, Sanders has spent zero. The diarist’s naivety on what it takes to run a campaign was pretty obvious. Even Armando, who has been a pretty big Sanders supporter, pointed out that Sanders is an idiot if he’s not polling.

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The Mulai  Jul 18, 2015 • 12:51:07pm

re: #148 HappyWarrior

I am talking about how he’d actually implement his agenda.

Who talks about implementing anything when running for President. Hillary says nothing about anything. At least Sanders says we need to bring manufacturing back.

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Dr. Matt  Jul 18, 2015 • 12:51:13pm
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HappyWarrior  Jul 18, 2015 • 12:52:14pm

re: #149 Belafon

There was a Daily Kos diary yesterday where the person was trying to brag for Sanders about the fact that while Clinton has spent about $900K on polling, Sanders has spent zero. The diarist’s naivety on what it takes to run a campaign was pretty obvious. Even Armando, who has been a pretty big Sanders supporter, pointed out that Sanders is an idiot if he’s not polling.

And I think that’s a problem for him. He;s got some wonderful ideas but I just don’t know if he’d be first a good candidate and president. I also think there is yet a lot of naivete. Spending on polling is something any candidate should do.

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Targetpractice  Jul 18, 2015 • 12:52:20pm

re: #150 The Mulai

Who talks about implementing anything when running for President. Hillary says nothing about anything. At least Sanders says we need to bring manufacturing back.

How does he plan to do that? And just how much of that would he realistically be able to do with a Republican majority in the House if not the Senate?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 18, 2015 • 12:52:29pm

re: #150 The Mulai

Who talks about implementing anything when running for President. Hillary says nothing about anything. At least Sanders says we need to bring manufacturing back.

LOLOLOLOLOLOL!!!

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Dr. Matt  Jul 18, 2015 • 12:52:41pm

re: #145 The Mulai

Hillary will not energize the base.

You speak for the base?

Young people who voted overwhelmingly for Obama will not go to the polls at anywhere near the numbers.

You speak for young Obama voters?

Ironically I think Hillary’s best chance of becoming President is if Trump is the nominee. I think she loses to everyone else.

How exactly is that “irony”?

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stpaulbear  Jul 18, 2015 • 12:53:04pm

re: #150 The Mulai

Who talks about implementing anything when running for President.

Holy shit.

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bratwurst  Jul 18, 2015 • 12:53:04pm

re: #150 The Mulai

At least Sanders says we need to bring manufacturing back.

You are not even good at this.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 18, 2015 • 12:53:09pm

re: #150 The Mulai

Who talks about implementing anything when running for President. Hillary says nothing about anything. At least Sanders says we need to bring manufacturing back.

If you want to tell yourself that Sanders’ reputation as an uncompromising socialist isn’t something that will be an issue/discussed then I can’t help you.

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Archangelus  Jul 18, 2015 • 12:53:27pm

re: #36 Ace-o-aces

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I imagine any time Hillary looks at news involving Trump these days, she starts singing and dancing to this…

Youtube Video

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The Mulai  Jul 18, 2015 • 12:53:33pm

re: #140 bratwurst

Agreed. This new Lizard seems to have a VERY specific agenda here. I actually like having Sanders in the race, but the situation here is not, in fact, much like Greece at all.

No agenda! Why is Greece in trouble? Massive debt! We got 19 trillion of it and 100 trillion of unfunded liabilities! To think this is not a problem for the future is ignoring history.

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Dr. Matt  Jul 18, 2015 • 12:54:15pm

‘The Mulai’ is doing a shitty job at trolling. Move over to DKos or Huffpo.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 18, 2015 • 12:54:20pm

re: #160 The Mulai

No agenda! Why is Greece in trouble? Massive debt! We got 19 trillion of it and 100 trillion of unfunded liabilities! to think this is not a problem for the future is ignoring history.

You aren’t even pretending anymore are you?

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bratwurst  Jul 18, 2015 • 12:54:40pm

re: #160 The Mulai

No agenda! Why is Greece in trouble? Massive debt! We got 19 trillion of it and 100 trillion of unfunded liabilities! to think this is not a problem for the future is ignoring history.

Like I said…you are not good at this at all.

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Joe Bacon  Jul 18, 2015 • 12:54:46pm

Every time I see Trump’s hair, it reminds me of that 50”s schlockfest, The Brain Eaters!

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goddamnedfrank  Jul 18, 2015 • 12:55:04pm

re: #76 The Mulai

I think you’re high.

Dont’ get me wrong, there’s a good deal to like about Bernie.

I also think it takes a very special set of ideological filters to believe he’s more electable than Hillary. The credulity to think that the numbers of married women, independents and moderate Republicans needed to win would vote for a self identified socialist when every single public opinion poll says otherwise is simply amazing.

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Jenner7  Jul 18, 2015 • 12:55:18pm

KKK rally in SC.

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Targetpractice  Jul 18, 2015 • 12:55:36pm

I’m not sure if we’re dealing with a wingnut troll or a true-believer. Either way, they have obviously mistaken us for people who need preaching to.

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Dr. Matt  Jul 18, 2015 • 12:55:57pm

re: #166 Jenner7

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KKK rally in SC.

Look at all those Democrats and their flag!!!!

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Varek Raith  Jul 18, 2015 • 12:56:18pm

RONFUCKINGPAULBITCHES

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Targetpractice  Jul 18, 2015 • 12:56:33pm

re: #166 Jenner7

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KKK rally in SC.

Guys, guys, you got the wrong attire. You’re supposed to be wearing brown shirts.

//

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Belafon  Jul 18, 2015 • 12:56:44pm

re: #160 The Mulai

No agenda! Why is Greece in trouble? Massive debt! We got 19 trillion of it and 100 trillion of unfunded liabilities! to think this is not a problem for the future is ignoring history.

Let’s say you make $2K a month and have $10K in debt, and lets say I make $100K a month and have $600K worth of debt. Who’s actually in bigger trouble?

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Jenner7  Jul 18, 2015 • 12:57:15pm

Did anyone watch Netroots Nation today? I heard that there were #blacklivesmatter protests during O’Malley and Sanders appearance and they couldn’t get a word in because of all the yelling.

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William Lewis  Jul 18, 2015 • 12:58:16pm

re: #145 The Mulai

Oy.

Look, I am a socialist (Member DSA, IWW, etc), even more so than Senator Sanders. Have been all my adult life, even while in the US Army under Ronnie Raygun. He’s a good man and he’s drawing crowds at the moment but he will not get the nomination, unfortunately. He is not going to beat that machine & he knows it. The best we can do is get him enough leverage going into the convention to have an impact on the platform and what Hillary actually runs on. Dragging from her Blue Dog conservative positions to a centrist place like Obama is actually do-able and needs to be what we work on accomplishing.

But the rants you’ve been posting here show little attachment to reality, son. Even if Bernie got nominated and, somehow despite the poison of Socialist in his record got elected, he would not have anywhere near enough votes in congress to do anything but sit and spin wheels for four years.

Lastly, we are not even close to a situation like Greece. I am not going to go into the technical details but you really should go back to a macro class and relearn a bit about what the debt is and isn’t and how many nations are dependent upon us having that debt.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 18, 2015 • 12:58:42pm
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The Mulai  Jul 18, 2015 • 12:58:59pm

re: #153 Targetpractice

How does he plan to do that? And just how much of that would he realistically be able to do with a Republican majority in the House if not the Senate?

I am not talking about whether Sanders can get anything done with a republican Congress. Hillary cannot get anything done either. I am just saying Hillary will not energize the base come the general election like Obama or her husband did. That is all I am saying! Her crowds are proof of that right now!

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HappyWarrior  Jul 18, 2015 • 12:59:58pm

re: #172 Jenner7

Did anyone watch Netroots Nation today? I heard that there were #blacklivesmatter protests during O’Malley and Sanders appearance and they couldn’t get a word in because of all the yelling.

I am really interested in O’Malley but some of the stuff that came out after the Gray killing about his time as Baltimore’s mayor worries me. I still do like the guy since he was one of the first governors to support SSM and he seems like a neat guy but I’d vote Sanders before him.

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wrenchwench  Jul 18, 2015 • 1:00:15pm

re: #172 Jenner7

Did anyone watch Netroots Nation today? I heard that there were #blacklivesmatter protests during O’Malley and Sanders appearance and they couldn’t get a word in because of all the yelling.

Here’s a response to that situation:

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Targetpractice  Jul 18, 2015 • 1:00:48pm

re: #175 The Mulai

I am not talking about whether Sanders can get anything done with a republican Congress. Hillary cannot get anything done either. I am just saying Hillary will not energize the base come the general election like Obama or her husband did. That is all I am saying! Her crowds are proof of that right now!

Then what you’re talking is nonsense. There’s no point to making pie-in-the-sky promises if you’re going to get elected and sit around with your thumb up your ass until 2020. I like Sanders, I think he’s got some good points, but I think it’s time you started being realistic.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 18, 2015 • 1:02:12pm

I actually think Hillary will energize the base some. You can’t underestimate how a woman being on the top of the ballot will mean to many people. My problem frankly is I think is I think we need a younger face to the party and I concede that if Hillary’s husband was anyone but a former president then I wouldn’t be rubbed the wrong way. Now that said, I think she can and will be a good candidate.

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b_sharp  Jul 18, 2015 • 1:02:17pm

re: #150 The Mulai

Who talks about implementing anything when running for President. Hillary says nothing about anything. At least Sanders says we need to bring manufacturing back.

Sanders is the left wing version of Ron Paul.

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The Mulai  Jul 18, 2015 • 1:02:44pm

re: #171 Belafon

Let’s say you make $2K a month and have $10K in debt, and lets say I make $100K a month and have $600K worth of debt. Who’s actually in bigger trouble?

False analogy!

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wrenchwench  Jul 18, 2015 • 1:03:31pm

re: #181 The Mulai

False analogy!

False in what way?

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William Lewis  Jul 18, 2015 • 1:04:05pm

re: #160 The Mulai

“That kid’s about as sharp as a pound of wet liver”
Foghorn Leghorn.

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Dr. Matt  Jul 18, 2015 • 1:05:06pm

re: #181 The Mulai

False analogy!

How so?

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Dr. Matt  Jul 18, 2015 • 1:05:51pm

re: #173 William Lewis

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thedopefishlives  Jul 18, 2015 • 1:05:52pm

Well, looks like I woke up from my afternoon nap just in time. Hello Lizardim.

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thecommodore  Jul 18, 2015 • 1:06:30pm

re: #32 HappyWarrior

I totally expect this to increase the conspiracies that Trump is actually a secret Dem plant in it only to make the GOP look bad.

I must confess that for a moment or two, I have pondered this very question. Trump has been so ridiculous - even more ridiculous than people like Pat Buchanan when he ran in the 90’s, or Ross Perot. Even more ridiculous than Michele Bachmann or Herman Cain in the last cycle (and that’s saying something) - that I have to wonder if his tongue isn’t firmly implanted in cheek. It doesn’t surprise me at all that few, if any, prominent right wing or Republican commentators have pointed out that Trump and his daughter contributed more than $100,000 to the Clinton Foundation, or that he once called for single payer health care during a flirtation with a presidential campaign back in 2000. This is information that a milliseconds long Google search will turn up, and yet mentions of this seem to be scant. Trump’s tongue isn’t firmly implanted in cheek, of course. He is the real deal. If you want to court the American right, you have to be batshit insane.

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The Mulai  Jul 18, 2015 • 1:06:34pm

re: #178 Targetpractice

Then what you’re talking is nonsense. There’s no point to making pie-in-the-sky promises if you’re going to get elected and sit around with your thumb up your ass until 2020. I like Sanders, I think he’s got some good points, but I think it’s time you started being realistic.

What will Hillary do? She has said very little about anything so far! And what will she get through a Republican Congress. I am talking about the election. Not what anyone can implement or do! Hillary does not energize the base and turnout is always the deciding factor! Evidence is Obama winning in 2008 and 2012 and the Republicans winning by huge numbers in the midterms. I rest my case!

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goddamnedfrank  Jul 18, 2015 • 1:06:36pm

re: #140 bratwurst

Agreed. This new Lizard seems to have a VERY specific agenda here. I actually like having Sanders in the race, but the situation here is not, in fact, much like Greece at all.

The Greece debt analogy is not only utterly ridiculous but a conservative talking point. The differences are simply enormous.

US public debt to GDP is 45% that of Greece.
We actually hold the vast majority of our own debt.
The US dollar is the reserve currency of the world.
The US is still the largest economy, China did not overtake us as was reported last year.
We are projected to remain the largest economy past 2030.
More to the point our economy is comparatively far more stable.
We have stronger environmental protections.
We have far stronger financial regulations.
We actually have a Social Security and Medicare system.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 18, 2015 • 1:07:15pm

Well on a personal note. I got back from Lake Tahoe yesterday. First time ever in Nevada. Man it’s beautiful out there. Good visit with my brother, sil, and niece. But just as I get back my mom and other brother leave for their trip.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 18, 2015 • 1:07:45pm

re: #182 wrenchwench

False in what way?

It doesn’t fit his narrative and cunning arguments.

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Targetpractice  Jul 18, 2015 • 1:08:19pm

re: #188 The Mulai

What will Hillary do? She has said very little about anything so far! And what will she get through a Republican Congress. I am talking about the election. Not what anyone can implement or do! Hillary does not energize the base and turnout is always the deciding factor! Evidence is Obama winning in 2008 and 2012 and the Republicans winning by huge numbers in the midterms. I rest my case!

Then you’re wasting our time and yours. Go sell crazy somewhere else, we’re all full up here.

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thecommodore  Jul 18, 2015 • 1:08:24pm

re: #130 The Mulai

At least Sanders is talking issues and solutions. What is Hillary saying?

NOTHING other than pandering to specific interest groups.

Because she really doesn’t have to. She is the odds on favorite to cruise into the White House next year, so why say or do anything that will rock the boat? That said, I do hope Bernie can force her to take more progressive stands as the campaign continues.

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stpaulbear  Jul 18, 2015 • 1:09:59pm

re: #188 The Mulai

Sounds like you’ve already decided to not vote in 2016. You’re going to sit at home feeling smug about the nation getting everything it deserves. Screw you.

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Tigger2  Jul 18, 2015 • 1:10:10pm

re: #145 The Mulai

Hillary will not energize the base. Young people who voted overwhelmingly for Obama will not go to the polls at anywhere near the numbers. The same with minorities! She may be a Clinton but she does not have her husband’s touch with the public. She was 40 points up in the polls in 2007 and did not get the nomination. This time there is no Obama running against her so she probably will get the nomination but it still is too early to say for sure.

Sanders can energize the base. His crowds show that already. People go to sleep when Hillary talks. Ironically I think Hillary’s best chance of becoming President is if Trump is the nominee. I think she loses to everyone else.

And Sanders has a ceiling of voters he can get, you might not want to believe it but Sanders calling himself a Socialist will hurt him with a lot of voters.

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The Mulai  Jul 18, 2015 • 1:10:38pm

re: #184 Dr. Matt

How so?

19 trillion of debt along with 1.3 trillion in student loan debt and 1 trillion in credit card debt along with 100 trillion in unfunded liabilities is serious debt at unheard of levels. If you asked any politician of either party in 1990 that we would have this debt everyone would say we were in big trouble. Now that we have it is not being discussed or is ignored but history tells you the U.S. is in trouble.

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goddamnedfrank  Jul 18, 2015 • 1:11:47pm

This is going a long way towards demonstrating how it’s not Bernie that I find off putting so much as his supporters.

If you’re going to talk about energizing the base you need to broaden your concept of what the base actually is beyond your own immediate circle of friends. I’m not a middle aged woman, but I sure as hell remember an absolute ton of middle aged women pulling strongly for Hillary in 2008.

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William Lewis  Jul 18, 2015 • 1:12:14pm

re: #181 The Mulai

False analogy!

I see. And I expect you have “A cunning plan” to show us how to resolve this hallucinatory debt crisis?

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HappyWarrior  Jul 18, 2015 • 1:12:44pm

re: #197 goddamnedfrank

This is going a long way towards demonstrating how it’s not Bernie that I find off putting so much as his supporters.

If you’re going to talk about energizing the base you need to broaden your concept of what the base actually is beyond your own immediate circle of friends. I’m not a middle aged woman, but I sure as hell remember an absolute ton of middle aged women pulling strongly for Hillary in 2008.

Exactly.

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TedStriker  Jul 18, 2015 • 1:12:53pm

re: #76 The Mulai

Bernie’s a shot in the arm for the Democratic presidential “field”, but most of this post had me:

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goddamnedfrank  Jul 18, 2015 • 1:13:41pm

re: #196 The Mulai

19 trillion of debt along with 1.3 trillion in student loan debt and 1 trillion in credit card debt along with 100 trillion in unfunded liabilities is serious debt at unheard of levels. If you asked any politician of either party in 1990 that we would have this debt everyone would say we were in big trouble. Now that we have it is not being discussed or is ignored but history tells you the U.S. is in trouble.

You’re only posting dollar numbers while totally ignoring debt as a percent of GDP. You may not realize it but this is a gigantic tell for those here who actually pay attention to the economy.

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TedStriker  Jul 18, 2015 • 1:13:52pm

re: #90 Kragar

I’ve got chills. They’re multiplying…

It’s electrifying!!!

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Belafon  Jul 18, 2015 • 1:14:22pm

re: #193 thecommodore

Because she really doesn’t have to. She is the odds on favorite to cruise into the White House next year, so why say or do anything that will rock the boat? That said, I do hope Bernie can force her to take more progressive stands as the campaign continues.

Clinton is doing to things right now:
1. Building a national organization (in addition to the polling, she’s already got people in something like 24 states canvasing and preparing operations).
2. Talking to small crowds.

Sanders has to prove he can draw crowds; Clinton has to listen to small groups.

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TedStriker  Jul 18, 2015 • 1:14:44pm

re: #94 Backwoods_Sleuth

Ouch…

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thedopefishlives  Jul 18, 2015 • 1:15:26pm

re: #201 goddamnedfrank

You’re only posting dollar numbers while totally ignoring debt as a percent of GDP. You may not realize it but this is a gigantic tell for those here who actually pay attention to the economy.

Because BIG SCARY TRILLIONS grabs more headlines, don’t ya know?

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Belafon  Jul 18, 2015 • 1:15:52pm

re: #201 goddamnedfrank

You’re only posting dollar numbers while totally ignoring debt as a percent of GDP. You may not realize it but this is a gigantic tell for those here who actually pay attention to the economy.

I tried to do a teachable moment. You said what I should have been writing.

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Dr. Matt  Jul 18, 2015 • 1:15:55pm
19 trillion of debt along with 1.3 trillion in student loan debt and 1 trillion in credit card debt along with 100 trillion in unfunded liabilities is serious debt at unheard of levels.

Great talking points. You still didn’t address why it was a “false analogy”.

If you asked any politician of either party in 1990 that we would have this debt everyone would say we were in big trouble

Why would I, or anyone for that matter, ask a politician a question about debt, finance, and economics? It’s the same reason why I do not ask politicians about science or medicine.

Now that we have it is not being discussed or is ignored but history tells you the U.S. is in trouble.

What “history” or you referring to?

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William Lewis  Jul 18, 2015 • 1:16:59pm

re: #196 The Mulai

“This is no social crisis
Just another tricky day for you”

The Who

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thedopefishlives  Jul 18, 2015 • 1:17:52pm

And interestingly enough, I did some basic research (wow, it’s really not that hard, why don’t more people do this?) I found that household debt in the United States has been falling, and in fact, is one of the top countries in the world as far as a decrease in per-capita household debt since the financial crisis of the Great Recession.

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wrenchwench  Jul 18, 2015 • 1:18:18pm

re: #191 Backwoods_Sleuth

It doesn’t fit his narrative and cunning arguments.

Also, was asked by a female wrench. The male Dr. deserves an answer. (Not blaming you Dr. Matt.)

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Jenner7  Jul 18, 2015 • 1:18:36pm

I deeply respect the #blacklivesmatter movement and the activists, but here it what I know:

Shouting down candidates doesn’t solve anything. Of course they should explain their views on these issues, but actually let them. Let’s throw out the uncomfortable questions, I’m all for that. But more importantly, it’s who we elect to Congress. The next President will need the Congress to implement their agenda.

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Dr. Matt  Jul 18, 2015 • 1:18:40pm

The Mulai once again proves that the far left and far right are indistinguishable.

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Belafon  Jul 18, 2015 • 1:19:11pm

re: #207 Dr. Matt

I’m also curious, other than increasing taxes on the rich - which I am in favor of - if a Socialist is actually going to give much effort toward any kind of debt pay down.

And on that $1T in student loan debt - some of which my son has - where’s paying that going to come from?

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The Mulai  Jul 18, 2015 • 1:20:18pm

re: #211 Jenner7

True!

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thedopefishlives  Jul 18, 2015 • 1:20:26pm

This article is from 2013, but it has the chart I referenced: cityam.com

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Tigger2  Jul 18, 2015 • 1:21:04pm

re: #212 Dr. Matt

The Mulai once again proves that the far left and far right are indistinguishable.

I agree, with some of them it’s almost like hearing a rabid teabagger defending one of their candidates.

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The Mulai  Jul 18, 2015 • 1:23:36pm

re: #209 thedopefishlives

And interestingly enough, I did some basic research (wow, it’s really not that hard, why don’t more people do this?) I found that household debt in the United States has been falling, and in fact, is one of the top countries in the world as far as a decrease in per-capita household debt since the financial crisis of the Great Recession.

What happens when the bond market busts and interest rates rise dramatically? The interest on the debt will skyrocket to unheard of levels.

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thedopefishlives  Jul 18, 2015 • 1:24:21pm

re: #217 The Mulai

Are you… Are you serious?

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CuriousLurker  Jul 18, 2015 • 1:25:01pm
The Mulai Drama Llama
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Dark_Falcon  Jul 18, 2015 • 1:25:03pm

re: #33 bratwurst

Blaming 1 senator for the dysfunction of the 2nd largest department (DoVA) in the federal government is pretty weak, even for Trump. The Secretary of Veteran’s Affairs (SecVet) reports to the president, after all, not the Congress.

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Varek Raith  Jul 18, 2015 • 1:25:35pm

re: #218 thedopefishlives

Are you… Are you serious?

Scary, huh?

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William Lewis  Jul 18, 2015 • 1:25:39pm

re: #217 The Mulai

What happens when the bond market busts and interest rates rise dramatically? The interest on the debt will skyrocket to unheard of levels.

Oh? Tell me, do you think we should buy …

GOLD??????

/////////
Gah, I’m about LMAO here. I’m gonna need more Foghorn Leghorn if he keeps this up.

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The Mulai  Jul 18, 2015 • 1:26:04pm

re: #216 Tigger2

I agree with some of them it’s almost like hearing a rabid teabagger defending one of their candidates.

No one is right about everything! Sanders has said we must bring manufacturing back. These tens of millions of lost jobs were high paying. He is right! Commonsense to me. It is not a Republican or a Democratic issue. It is commonsense.

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ObserverArt  Jul 18, 2015 • 1:26:08pm

re: #150 The Mulai

Who talks about implementing anything when running for President. Hillary says nothing about anything. At least Sanders says we need to bring manufacturing back.

Absolutely stunning amount of naivete in that comment.

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Varek Raith  Jul 18, 2015 • 1:26:28pm

re: #222 William Lewis

Oh? Tell me, do you think we should buy …

GOLD??????

/////////
Gah, I’m about LMAO here. I’m gonna need more Foghorn Leghorn if he keeps this up.

About as sharp as a bowling ball.

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Targetpractice  Jul 18, 2015 • 1:26:32pm

Okay, seriously, are we being punk’d?

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Jenner7  Jul 18, 2015 • 1:26:32pm

Mulai is full of right wing talking points, but loves Bernie.

Hmmm.

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goddamnedfrank  Jul 18, 2015 • 1:27:11pm

The most important thing Bernie supporters should be doing if they actually want to advance their candidate’s chances is to pay attention to why Hillary lost in 2008. Because so far what I see is them doing (and yes this means you The Mulai) is the exact same shit that cost Hillary the nomination then, running on fear and little more than vociferous raw assertions that the other candidate can’t win.

There’s a reason that you don’t see Bernie going negative himself, because he’s smarter than a lot of the young people backing him. His people need to reign in his inexperienced supporters who don’t realize how counter productive fear mongering is, especially when it’s based on fundamental ignorance about how things actually work.

If you want to talk about the problems of debt please do so, I recommend focusing on the discretionary defense budget. Trying to force ridiculous analogies however to Greece simply because Greece is in the news is an amateur move. It might score points with other people who do not understand economic basics, but it’s seriously unappealing to those who do.

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wrenchwench  Jul 18, 2015 • 1:27:11pm

If some of you missed The Mulai’s entrance, it is here.

I thought death panels was crazing thinking but now I have to wonder.
Read more at littlegreenfootballs.com

Death panels!

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Jenner7  Jul 18, 2015 • 1:28:43pm
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wrenchwench  Jul 18, 2015 • 1:28:51pm

re: #227 Jenner7

Mulai is full of right wing talking points, but loves Bernie.

Hmmm.

I think he’s a Republican. And a man.

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Targetpractice  Jul 18, 2015 • 1:28:53pm

re: #223 The Mulai

No one is right about everything! Sanders has said we must bring manufacturing back. These tens of millions of lost jobs were high paying. He is right! Commonsense to me. It is not a Republican or a Democratic issue. It is commonsense.

And just how does he propose that happen? Talk is all well and good, but if he can’t make it happen, then it’s no different than if we voted for Hillary, is it?

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Tigger2  Jul 18, 2015 • 1:29:24pm

re: #223 The Mulai

No one is right about everything! Sanders has said we must bring manufacturing back. These tens of millions of lost jobs were high paying. He is right! Commonsense to me. It is not a Republican or a Democratic issue. It is commonsense.

Commonsense will get you nowhere with a Corporate owned Republican Congress with a few Blue Dogs mixed in.

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thedopefishlives  Jul 18, 2015 • 1:29:44pm

re: #221 Varek Raith

Scary, huh?

For once, I’m actually rendered speechless. It’s not my first go-round with a lizard toy, but the ignorance is just staggering.

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BlueSpotinAL  Jul 18, 2015 • 1:30:28pm

re: #196 The Mulai

19 trillion of debt along with 1.3 trillion in student loan debt and 1 trillion in credit card debt along with 100 trillion in unfunded liabilities is serious debt at unheard of levels. If you asked any politician of either party in 1990 that we would have this debt everyone would say we were in big trouble. Now that we have it is not being discussed or is ignored but history tells you the U.S. is in trouble.

There’s your problem. Ask an economist, not a politician or political hack.

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Belafon  Jul 18, 2015 • 1:30:29pm

re: #230 Jenner7

Maybe it was getting harder and harder for the cops to justify why they weren’t treating Klansman the way they do blacks crossing the street.

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Dark_Falcon  Jul 18, 2015 • 1:30:57pm

re: #160 The Mulai

Hey Mulai, I know you’re new here so let me give you a pro tip:

Argument By Exclamation Point such as you’ve been practicing is frowned on at Little Green Footballs. It’s been frowned on ever since Charles instituted registration in 2004. So when put out a post full of exclamation points you’re pushing against over a decade of tradition here. You won’t win friends that way.

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The Mulai  Jul 18, 2015 • 1:32:00pm

re: #227 Jenner7

Mulai is full of right wing talking points, but loves Bernie.

Hmmm.

When is bringing manufacturing jobs back right wing talking points?

For your information I am pro gay marriage, pro abortion rights, equal pay for women, pro environmental regulations.

Are those right wing talking points?

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Desmond  Jul 18, 2015 • 1:32:10pm

I’m truly not convinced Trump even WANTS to be president, I’ve thought all along his “campaign” was simply more self-promotion.

But in doing so, Trump has really exposed the mean-spirited, racist, ignorant base of the GOP. The fact that he’s polling so high says a lot more about them than it does about the Donald.

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Belafon  Jul 18, 2015 • 1:33:55pm

re: #223 The Mulai

Sanders has said we must bring manufacturing back

So have I, so have lots of other people. How would you do that, other than making American’s so poor they’re willing to work in the same conditions the Chinese do? I don’t think we want to be living in the factory dorms like they have in Chinese factories that make Apple products.

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Dark_Falcon  Jul 18, 2015 • 1:35:02pm

re: #229 wrenchwench

If some of you missed The Mulai’s entrance, it is here.

Death panels!

We’ll have to put its carcass in a walk-in freezer if it turns out to be a troll. Right now we’ve got a nasty thunderstorm going in Chicago, and I can’t grill a troll till it clears the area.

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De Kolta Chair  Jul 18, 2015 • 1:35:29pm

re: #226 Targetpractice

Okay, seriously, are we being punk’d?

Nope. Everything The Mulai says has been verified:

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Belafon  Jul 18, 2015 • 1:35:54pm

re: #239 Desmond

I’m truly not convinced Trump even WANTS to be president, I’ve thought all along his “campaign” was simply more self-promotion.

But in doing so, Trump has really exposed the mean-spirited, racist, ignorant base of the GOP. The fact that he’s polling so high says a lot more about them than it does about the Donald.

The budget that Republicans have proposed is trying to raise defense spending by taking $250M from the VA. His comment just matches the party. The only soldiers they like are the ones that die in combat.

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goddamnedfrank  Jul 18, 2015 • 1:36:22pm

re: #223 The Mulai

No one is right about everything! Sanders has said we must bring manufacturing back. These tens of millions of lost jobs were high paying. He is right! Commonsense to me. It is not a Republican or a Democratic issue. It is commonsense.

I want a pony.

Saying you want something isn’t a solution to actually getting it.

There are things we can probably do in terms of tax incentives and import duties to bring some manufacturing back, but it won’t bring nearly as many jobs back as were lost. What manufacturing does come back will be largely automated. Also, import duties have a way of escalating into trade wars that will do far more to harm what export market there is for the goods we do manufacture.

To bring back more jobs we’d have to do the kinds of things Sanders would never ever talk about let alone do, like lower wages, worker safety and environmental regulations.

I have no idea why this kind of empty Pollyanna rhetoric appeals to you or why you would think for a second that it would appeal to others. Treat me like an adult, acknowledge that the modern world is complicated with no quick and easy fix that can simply be willed into existence via raw assertion and I’ll take your arguments far more seriously.

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Tigger2  Jul 18, 2015 • 1:37:17pm

re: #241 Dark_Falcon

We’ll have to put its carcass in a walk-in freezer if it turns out to be a troll. Right now we’ve got a nasty thunderstorm going in Chicago, and I can’t grill a troll till it clears the area.

Am 110 miles south of you sunny and hot hot hot.

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goddamnedfrank  Jul 18, 2015 • 1:37:45pm

re: #229 wrenchwench

If some of you missed Mulai’s entrance, it is here.

Death panels!

Oh, it’s that asshole.

Fuck it then, he’s an idiot Moby.

Might as well just ban them now.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 18, 2015 • 1:38:58pm

re: #214 The Mulai

True!

Yet, you don’t see the irony in accusing other candidates as panderers, which is the same thing as shouting down anyone who doesn’t agree with you.

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The Mulai  Jul 18, 2015 • 1:39:06pm

re: #240 Belafon

Americans are already poor. $10 per hour service jobs that people are working 26 hours per week is poverty!

Manufacturing can come back and can pay the people a respectable wage. China is cheating by manipulating their currency. Everyone knows that!

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 18, 2015 • 1:39:36pm

re: #217 The Mulai

What happens when the bond market busts and interest rates rise dramatically? The interest on the debt will skyrocket to unheard of levels.

You really are a special kind of oblivious to reality.

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TedStriker  Jul 18, 2015 • 1:39:57pm

re: #197 goddamnedfrank

This is going a long way towards demonstrating how it’s not Bernie that I find off putting so much as his supporters.

If you’re going to talk about energizing the base you need to broaden your concept of what the base actually is beyond your own immediate circle of friends. I’m not a middle aged woman, but I sure as hell remember an absolute ton of middle aged women pulling strongly for Hillary in 2008.

Bernie’s got some interesting ideas, but his true believers tend to be fucking strident douchebags, the mirror image of the RWNJs.

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BeenHereAwhile  Jul 18, 2015 • 1:40:49pm

re: #166 Jenner7

[Embedded content]

KKK rally in SC.

I know nuthink!!

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 18, 2015 • 1:41:13pm

re: #223 The Mulai

No one is right about everything! Sanders has said we must bring manufacturing back. These tens of millions of lost jobs were high paying. He is right! Commonsense to me. It is not a Republican or a Democratic issue. It is commonsense.

And no one, NOT A SINGLE CANDIDATE EVER, said exactly the same thing.

good freaking grief.

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The Mulai  Jul 18, 2015 • 1:41:30pm

re: #247 Backwoods_Sleuth

I am not shouting down anyone. No personal attacks from me.

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thedopefishlives  Jul 18, 2015 • 1:41:40pm

re: #248 The Mulai

China is cheating by manipulating their currency. Everyone knows that!

Okay, now I’m sure. You are definitely putting us on.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 18, 2015 • 1:42:21pm

Fun thing to google “Mulai” and see what comes up…

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Egregious Philbin  Jul 18, 2015 • 1:42:29pm

The difference between McCain and Trump? Trump shot himself down…

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Belafon  Jul 18, 2015 • 1:42:58pm

re: #248 The Mulai

Americans are already poor. $10 per hour service jobs that people are working 26 hours per week is poverty!

As sucky as it it, it’s still not “living in a dorm at a factory where they will wake you up early in the morning due to a change in manufacturing” bad.

Manufacturing can come back and can pay the people a respectable wage. China is cheating by manipulating their currency. Everyone knows that!

And there’s not much you can do about China fixing it’s currency, and there’s not a whole lot you can do about companies sending their manufacturing to China. So, as we’re all asking, how do you “bring manufacturing jobs back to America”?

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The Mulai  Jul 18, 2015 • 1:43:37pm

re: #249 Backwoods_Sleuth

You did not answer the question. A lot of really smart people out there are asking the same question.

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Belafon  Jul 18, 2015 • 1:45:52pm

re: #258 The Mulai

You did not answer the question. A lot of really smart people out there are asking the same question.

Any moment now, the bond market will collapse. We’re on the cusp of a huge increase in inflation. Buy gold now! Buy my new video to tell you how investing in gold will make you safe for the future!

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 18, 2015 • 1:45:52pm

re: #248 The Mulai

Americans are already poor. $10 per hour service jobs that people are working 26 hours per week is poverty!

Manufacturing can come back and can pay the people a respectable wage. China is cheating by manipulating their currency. Everyone knows that!

OK, that’s just about the stupidest comment from you thus far.

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lawhawk  Jul 18, 2015 • 1:46:16pm

Jobs. Some manufacturing jobs are already coming back to the US because companies are realizing it’s cheaper to produce them here than overseas and ship them.

Some will continue to be offshored because costs are cheaper elsewhere on those items. Even Trump chose to have his clothes line - ostensibly for the well to do and for a premium crowd - made in Mexico and China rather than in the US.

He wanted to maximize HIS profits and couldn’t care who didn’t have jobs here in the US because of it. That’s all on Trump.

So, to hear him say how he wants to make the US great again or that we need to bring jobs back here, it all starts with one nutty billionaire who has the means to make a single decision - forgo some of the profits he would make offshoring jobs, and bring the jobs back home.

He can’t and wont do it because he wants to maximize his profits, ignoring how much more is possible if more people have access to well paying jobs and how that spills out over the economy.

It continues to show Trump is an economic illiterate whose success is grounded not only in a billion dollar inheritance from his dad, but who’s managed to make everyone else pay for his business mistakes - multiple bankruptcies.

Bad business decision? Carrying too much debt? Bankruptcy.

Bang. Zoom. Presto-chango - all gone.

But his personal fortune remains because that’s all shielded from the corporate wasteland he’s left behind.

Trump has managed to bankrupt casinos on multiple occasions, even though the House is always supposed to win. He’s even managing to bankrupt a golf course in Puerto Rico, which is a pretty hard thing to do when you’re catering to the well to do.

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Dark_Falcon  Jul 18, 2015 • 1:47:08pm

re: #248 The Mulai

Americans are already poor. $10 per hour service jobs that people are working 26 hours per week is poverty!

Manufacturing can come back and can pay the people a respectable wage. China is cheating by manipulating their currency. Everyone knows that!

If you’re sure, why are you shouting?

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Eric The Fruit Bat  Jul 18, 2015 • 1:47:18pm

re: #203 Belafon

Sanders has to prove he can draw crowds

And he’s been able to do that. Problem is, Trump is sucking up all of the network air time with his batshit crazy antics.

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Tigger2  Jul 18, 2015 • 1:47:25pm

re: #248 The Mulai

Americans are already poor. $10 per hour service jobs that people are working 26 hours per week is poverty!

Manufacturing can come back and can pay the people a respectable wage. China is cheating by manipulating their currency. Everyone knows that!

Ok Stop trolling us Trump.//

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The Mulai  Jul 18, 2015 • 1:47:30pm

re: #260 Backwoods_Sleuth

Nothing I said is not true whether you think it may be stupid!

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Dr. Matt  Jul 18, 2015 • 1:48:09pm

re: #238 The Mulai

When is bringing manufacturing jobs back right wing talking points?

For your information I am pro gay marriage, pro abortion rights, equal pay for women, pro environmental regulations.

Are those right wing talking points?

And you’re pro-death panels.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 18, 2015 • 1:49:15pm

re: #258 The Mulai

Neither did you.

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The Mulai  Jul 18, 2015 • 1:49:24pm

re: #264 Tigger2

Cannot stand Trump! Cocky and arrogant! I am for Bernie Sanders! Just like Neil Young!

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stpaulbear  Jul 18, 2015 • 1:50:37pm

re: #265 The Mulai

Nothing I said is not true whether you think it may be stupid!

^This may be one of the best internet comments ever.

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Varek Raith  Jul 18, 2015 • 1:50:51pm

Most amusing.

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Dr. Matt  Jul 18, 2015 • 1:51:43pm

What are the chances that The Mulai is taking screen shots and they’ll be over at the stalker blog by the end of the weekend?

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De Kolta Chair  Jul 18, 2015 • 1:51:51pm

re: #251 BeenHereAwhile

I know nuthink!!

[Embedded content]

On a hot sunny day like this, white sheets would’ve been a more sensible fashion option. Just sayin’.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 18, 2015 • 1:52:04pm

re: #269 stpaulbear

^This may be one of the best internet comments ever.

Sounds very presidential!
///

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wrenchwench  Jul 18, 2015 • 1:52:40pm

re: #268 The Mulai

Cannot stand Trump! Cocky and arrogant! I am for Bernie Sanders! Just like Neil Young!

I saw this one rolling down in the Spy, and I thought it was an excellent parody of you. Sorry.

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The Mulai  Jul 18, 2015 • 1:53:05pm

re: #266 Dr. Matt

No death panels for me. My initial post was not understood in its context

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 18, 2015 • 1:54:05pm

re: #275 The Mulai

No death panels for me. My initial post was not understood in its context

You used the words “death panels” and whined about your insurance company.

Stop it.

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Amory Blaine  Jul 18, 2015 • 1:54:26pm

re: #166 Jenner7

Nice tooth.

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wrenchwench  Jul 18, 2015 • 1:54:39pm

re: #275 The Mulai

No death panels for me. My initial post was not understood in its context

Several of your comments share that fate.

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ObserverArt  Jul 18, 2015 • 1:55:17pm

re: #260 Backwoods_Sleuth

OK, that’s just about the stupidest comment from you thus far.

I think I am watching a junior varsity version of The Ed show.

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William Lewis  Jul 18, 2015 • 1:57:20pm

re: #279 ObserverArt

I think I am watching a junior varsity version of The Ed show.

Nah, more like the freshman class’ first practice session.

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wrenchwench  Jul 18, 2015 • 1:57:55pm

Pandering to the base!

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 18, 2015 • 1:58:41pm

re: #280 William Lewis

Nah, more like the freshman class’ first practice session.

Actually, more like somebody who is out on his/her own straight from mom and dad’s house where everything was provided, no questions, and all of a sudden…OMG!!! I have to PAY FOR ALL THIS STUFF???!!???

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Dark_Falcon  Jul 18, 2015 • 1:59:19pm

re: #268 The Mulai

Cannot stand Trump! Cocky and arrogant! I am for Bernie Sanders! Just like Neil Young!

OK, that one set off the meter:

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Eric The Fruit Bat  Jul 18, 2015 • 1:59:42pm

re: #259 Belafon

Let’s be honest about Gold: It’s a Pet Rock.

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Khal Wimpo  Jul 18, 2015 • 2:00:04pm

re: #174 Backwoods_Sleuth

[Embedded content]

Can’t quite read the Russian on the spine of that book - I think it says something like Cat Fairy Tales. But I could be wrong … my Cyrillic is getting a little rusty.

The mouse in the cage is looking a little nervous. As it should.

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The Mulai  Jul 18, 2015 • 2:01:21pm

re: #276 Backwoods_Sleuth

No, I just said from experience that Medi Cal in California is not what you may think it is based on reading the California options information. No whining about anything! Choices are limited as to the doctor you can see and trying to get to see a specialist is like pulling teeth. The patient has limited control over their health decisions no matter what the government site says. This is a fact!

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Dark_Falcon  Jul 18, 2015 • 2:01:54pm

re: #268 The Mulai

And if you want to compare yourself to Neil Young:

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Khal Wimpo  Jul 18, 2015 • 2:02:42pm

re: #196 The Mulai

history tells you the U.S. is in trouble.

Which history is that, specifically?

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wrenchwench  Jul 18, 2015 • 2:02:53pm

re: #285 Khal Wimpo

Can’t quite read the Russian on the spine of that book

I miss Sergey/Nyet.

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Tigger2  Jul 18, 2015 • 2:03:06pm

re: #251 BeenHereAwhile

I know nuthink!!

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thedopefishlives  Jul 18, 2015 • 2:03:29pm

re: #289 wrenchwench

I miss Sergey/Nyet.

Where’d he go this time?

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ObserverArt  Jul 18, 2015 • 2:03:53pm

re: #282 Backwoods_Sleuth

Actually, more like somebody who is out on his/her own straight from mom and dad’s house where everything was provided, no questions, and all of a sudden…OMG!!! I have to PAY FOR ALL THIS STUFF???!!???

Have you tried to watch The Ed show lately?

I think Ed is running Sanders television campaign at the very least. Ed tries to talk about Hillary but you can just tell he wants to push for Sanders. And to me it is rather blatant and not good journalism, but we all know journalism isn’t associated with much these days in the media.

And Ed is all about manufacturing coming back to America and worrying about China manipulating currency, etc.

This is all very familiar.

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TedStriker  Jul 18, 2015 • 2:04:01pm

re: #268 The Mulai

Cannot stand Trump! Cocky and arrogant! I am for Bernie Sanders! Just like Neil Young!

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wrenchwench  Jul 18, 2015 • 2:04:05pm

re: #291 thedopefishlives

Where’d he go this time?

I don’t know. I saw no ‘adios’ message.

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De Kolta Chair  Jul 18, 2015 • 2:05:27pm

re: #268 The Mulai

Cannot stand Trump! Cocky and arrogant! I am for Bernie Sanders! Just like Neil Young!

I just realized who you remind me of. Remember the Hillary PUMA’s?

IRONY!
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 18, 2015 • 2:06:20pm

re: #295 De Kolta Chair

I just realized who you remind me of. Remember the Hillary PUMA’s?

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Exactly.

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Dark_Falcon  Jul 18, 2015 • 2:07:42pm

re: #296 Backwoods_Sleuth

Exactly.

Except this one’s clearly gone and drank the Kool Aid.

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thedopefishlives  Jul 18, 2015 • 2:08:52pm

re: #294 wrenchwench

I don’t know. I saw no ‘adios’ message.

Yeah, I just searched the LGF. He left some normal Sergey comments and then … nothing. I hope the KGB didn’t pick him up.

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Khal Wimpo  Jul 18, 2015 • 2:12:34pm

re: #296 Backwoods_Sleuth

Exactly.

Yeah, the PUMAs were all encouraged/abetted by RWNJs scheming to do anything to try to derail Obama. Turned out? Not so much.

Kinda like the whole Limbaugh-backed Operation Whatever Sounds Sinister & Scary To His Dimwit Listeners, that purported to turn out the vote for Hillary in ‘08 to “rough up” Obama by extending the primary.

Didn’t work out so well for them, now did it?

But keep trying, Mulai. Keep trying. It’s kinda cute.

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William Lewis  Jul 18, 2015 • 2:13:00pm

Dude’s getting boring. Go get some fresh talking points, son, I need some new laughs. You can find me here playing my guitar badly when you get back. No hurry now.

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The Mulai  Jul 18, 2015 • 2:16:25pm

re: #299 Khal Wimpo

Oh boy! Talking about being way out there in the outer limits!

LOL

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 18, 2015 • 2:21:41pm

And Mulai goes on a downding rampage to anyone who dares laugh.
Or make more sense.
Or dares not to suffer eejits lightly.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 18, 2015 • 2:23:23pm

re: #298 thedopefishlives

Yeah, I just searched the LGF. He left some normal Sergey comments and then … nothing. I hope the KGB didn’t pick him up.

Damn I leave a week and Sergey’s gone. Hope he’s okay.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 18, 2015 • 2:24:07pm

re: #303 HappyWarrior

Damn I leave a week and Sergey’s gone. Hope he’s okay.

Might just be on vacation.

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thedopefishlives  Jul 18, 2015 • 2:24:45pm

re: #302 Backwoods_Sleuth

And Mulai goes on a downding rampage to anyone who dares laugh.
Or make more sense.
Or dares not to suffer eejits lightly.

Oh, no, I’m quaking in my baby seal patent leather boots.

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wrenchwench  Jul 18, 2015 • 2:27:54pm

re: #303 HappyWarrior

Damn I leave a week and Sergey’s gone. Hope he’s okay.

I missed you too!

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jul 18, 2015 • 2:31:09pm

re: #302 Backwoods_Sleuth

And Mulai goes on a downding rampage to anyone who dares laugh.
Or make more sense.
Or dares not to suffer eejits lightly.

Oh Noez!!!! Not a downding!!!! A fate worse than death!!! AIEEEEEEE!!!!!

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Amory Blaine  Jul 18, 2015 • 2:32:54pm

Breathe deep.

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wrenchwench  Jul 18, 2015 • 2:34:25pm

re: #308 Amory Blaine

Breathe deep.

the gathering gloom.

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sffilk  Jul 18, 2015 • 2:40:51pm

re: #9 Lidane

Fuck Trump.

Let someone else do it. And let it be televised.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jul 18, 2015 • 2:41:49pm

re: #309 wrenchwench

the gathering gloom.

Watchlights fade in every room.

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sffilk  Jul 18, 2015 • 2:45:55pm

re: #71 Kragar

I’ve been told that after serving for 8.5 years, that I’m not a real veteran because I got out 5 months after 9/11 and didn’t chose to ignore my medical problems and other personal issues to re-enlist to fight in Afghanistan and Iraq.

From one veteran to another, THANK YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE!

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wrenchwench  Jul 18, 2015 • 2:46:52pm

re: #311 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

Watchlights fade in every room.

My earworm has a memory deficit for what follows.

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TedStriker  Jul 18, 2015 • 2:48:14pm

re: #313 wrenchwench

My earworm has a memory deficit for what follows.

Breathe deep the gathering gloom,
Watch lights fade from every room.
Bedsitter people look back and lament,
Another day’s useless energy spent.
Impassioned lovers wrestle as one,
Lonely man cries for love and has none.
New mother picks up and suckles her son,
Senior citizens wish they were young.
Cold hearted orb that rules the night,
Removes the colours from our sight.
Red is grey and yellow white,
But we decide which is right.
And which is an illusion???

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Eric The Fruit Bat  Jul 18, 2015 • 2:53:33pm

re: #314 TedStriker

Nights in White Satin-Moody Blues

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CleverToad  Jul 18, 2015 • 2:54:32pm

re: #314 TedStriker

My ear worm remembered all of the lyrics correctly! Okay, I’m old but not senile yet.

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Eric The Fruit Bat  Jul 18, 2015 • 2:55:47pm

This is my anthem for 2016-I hope we can make the RWNJ’s irrelevant and strip the power away from them for the world’s sake.

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Dark_Falcon  Jul 18, 2015 • 2:56:30pm

re: #315 Eric The Fruit Bat

Nights in White Satin-Moody Blues

Not my favorite song of theirs, but its one of my mother’s favorites.

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Iwouldprefernotto  Jul 18, 2015 • 3:01:15pm

re: #76 The Mulai

John McCain for years has been all talk. He is like most politicians. He goes the way the wind blows. When the polls change he changes. That being said Trump should not have said what he said.

But I do not think it matters one bit. The debt is 19 trillion. Student loan debt is 1.3 trillion. Credit card debt is 1 trillion. Manufacturing never has come back. Just last week Ford said they were closing a Michigan plant and moving to Mexico. The real unemployment rate is 16%. There are more part time workers than ever. Wages are at 1990 levels.

We are heading for a Greece situation.

People vote their pocket book. Bernie Sanders is the only one talking about the problems and solutions. Hillary says nothing but panders to her base. The Republicans got 15 candidates. Who knows who will be the nominee against a probable Hillary contest.

The winner next year will be the one that talks solutions to problems and energizes their base. Bernie Sanders energizes people. That is why Obama won twice and why the Democrats lost badly in the mid terms. When Obama was on the ballot his base went out and voted. When not they stayed home.

Bernie Sanders may be way down in the polls but it is early. I believe he will have a better chance against any Republican nominee because he energizes the base. The Democrats are not going to turn out for the general election if Hillary is the nominee. She simply has no charisma and no charm

Bernie is the man that can win in 2016.

I liked your first sentence.

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BlueSpotinAL  Jul 18, 2015 • 3:02:15pm

re: #287 Dark_Falcon

And if you want to compare yourself to Neil Young:

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I know thread is dead, but two lines in this song piss me off. One is
“Well, I hope Neil Young will remember
A Southern man don’t need him around anyhow”

Well, apparently southern man does need someone to call attention to their racism.

The other is
“In Birmingham they love the governor, boo boo boo
Now we all did what we could do”

ORLY? What in the hell did you try to do?

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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Jul 18, 2015 • 3:03:33pm

re: #160 The Mulai

No agenda! Why is Greece in trouble? Massive debt! We got 19 trillion of it and 100 trillion of unfunded liabilities! To think this is not a problem for the future is ignoring history.

if you’re a progressive who supports sanders, why do you parrot right wing distortions on the economy?

(i might be tempted to give you a little lecture on exactly what an unfunded liability is)

im calling you out as a right wing troll pretending to be a sanders supporter - it’s too obvious!

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 18, 2015 • 3:34:02pm

re: #321 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸

Mulai is doing no favors for his preferred candidate by insulting everyone who is not Bernie or a Bernie fanatic follower.

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Eric The Fruit Bat  Jul 18, 2015 • 3:53:40pm

re: #222 William Lewis

Nice kid, but as sharp as a sack of wet mice.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 18, 2015 • 4:04:08pm

re: #323 Eric The Fruit Bat

Nice kid, but as sharp as a sack of wet mice.

He’s baaaack….

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The Mulai  Jul 18, 2015 • 4:07:23pm

re: #322 Backwoods_Sleuth

The Mulai is insulting no one. Just don’t think Hillary can win the general election. My opinion is based on the 2008 campaign when she was up 40 points in the polls in 2007 and lost to Obama. Now she is 8 years older.

There is a reason many Democrats want Elizabeth Warren to run.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 18, 2015 • 4:08:48pm

OMG! Hillary is OLD! OLD!!!!

So MUCH older than the Bernie!

Oh…wait…

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thedopefishlives  Jul 18, 2015 • 4:10:31pm

re: #325 The Mulai

The Mulai is insulting no one. Just don’t think Hillary can win the general election. My opinion is based on the 2008 campaign when she was up 40 points in the polls in 2007 and lost to Obama. Now she is 8 years older.

There is a reason many Democrats want Elizabeth Warren to run.

“Many” Democrats also want Mickey Mouse to run. Your appeal to popularity is null and void.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 18, 2015 • 4:10:45pm

and the furious downding rampage continues because…REASONS!!!!

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jamesfirecat  Jul 18, 2015 • 4:12:20pm

re: #325 The Mulai

The Mulai is insulting no one. Just don’t think Hillary can win the general election. My opinion is based on the 2008 campaign when she was up 40 points in the polls in 2007 and lost to Obama. Now she is 8 years older.

There is a reason many Democrats want Elizabeth Warren to run.

Hilary was born in 1947, Bernie Sanders was born in 1941.

If you support the latter, talking about the former’s age doesn’t really make any sense.

Also Jamesfirecat thinks talking in third person just makes you sound pointlessly pretentious.

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thedopefishlives  Jul 18, 2015 • 4:13:56pm

re: #328 Backwoods_Sleuth

and the furious downding rampage continues because…REASONS!!!!

Because apparently, we’re driven by our popularity and downdinging us is supposed to cut us to the quick, or some such.

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The Mulai  Jul 18, 2015 • 4:14:30pm

re: #321 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸

Wrong, no right wing troll. I would say you understand little how markets work. Right now there is a huge concern about the liquidity of the bond market. This is not a right wing, left wing or any wing issue.

There are many economists from all wings that understand that when the train turns and the bond holders who finance the debt want their money there is going to have to be enough buyers out there or interest rates will move up drastically to attract the buyers.

The bond market now is starting to show illiquidity.

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Kid A  Jul 18, 2015 • 4:14:44pm

re: #325 The Mulai

Are you Rush Limbaugh?

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thedopefishlives  Jul 18, 2015 • 4:15:05pm

re: #332 Kid A

Are you Rush Limbaugh?

No, this one’s actually halfway coherent.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 18, 2015 • 4:17:03pm

re: #331 The Mulai

Wrong, no right wing troll. I would say you understand little how markets work. Right now there is a huge concern about the liquidity of the bond market. This is not a right wing, left wing or any wing issue.

There are many economists from all wings that understand that when the train turns and the bond holders who finance the debt want their money there is going to have to be enough buyers out there or interest rates will move up drastically to attract the buyers.

The bond market now is starting to show illiquidity.

You really have no idea how any of this works?
Hint: it doesn’t work any way how you think it does.

Well, except for “illiquidity”… That might be a technical term with your “economic experts”. Certainly not with mine.

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The Mulai  Jul 18, 2015 • 4:17:09pm

re: #329 jamesfirecat

Bernie’s age is a negative. I was just saying Hillary’s is not a positive. That and her charmless personality.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 18, 2015 • 4:18:13pm

re: #335 The Mulai

Bernie’s age is a negative. I was just saying Hillary’s is not a positive. That and her charmless personality.

Fuck off with the ad hominems already.
You are beyond tiresome now.

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Kid A  Jul 18, 2015 • 4:18:38pm

re: #335 The Mulai

Read this and then come back.
theatlantic.com

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The Mulai  Jul 18, 2015 • 4:19:14pm

re: #334 Backwoods_Sleuth

I like how you tell me where my statement is wrong but you do not say where I am going wrong. Clearly you have no understanding of markets in general.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 18, 2015 • 4:21:20pm

re: #338 The Mulai

I like how you tell me where my statement is wrong but you do not say where I am going wrong. Clearly you have no understanding of markets in general.

I clearly know more than you since I actually have income from the markets.

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Targetpractice  Jul 18, 2015 • 4:21:46pm

Mulai, I don’t know how many of my fellow lizards I can speak for, but I can assure you that if Bernie wins the nomination, I will vote for him. I will not take my ball and go home, which is what you and other diehard Bernie fans will do if Hillary is nominated. Why? Because I would rather have a self-identified socialist over a Republican as president. That you are comfortable throwing the election to whoever the Republican candidate is if Hillary is nominated tells me that you are too immature to understand just how ridiculous your position is.

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The Mulai  Jul 18, 2015 • 4:21:50pm

re: #337 Kid A

Sure, like the politicians are going to cut benefits. Give me a break. When was the last time politicians cut any benefits. The unfunded liabilities is real and getting worse.

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Kid A  Jul 18, 2015 • 4:22:56pm

re: #338 The Mulai

You’re wrong because unfunded liabilities is a tactic by the right used to scare people. It’s ridiculous to correctly forecast seventy-five fucking years in the future when many cant forecast the next decade, for fuck’s sake.

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The Mulai  Jul 18, 2015 • 4:24:43pm

re: #339 Backwoods_Sleuth

So do I!

The bond market is a market of buyers and sellers like all markets. When the day comes that there are more sellers than buyers interest rates will rise to attract buyers. This is already beginning to happen but nothing like what you will see within 5 years

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The Mulai  Jul 18, 2015 • 4:25:50pm

re: #342 Kid A

Oh goodness the right wing. Most Democrats understand the problem also.

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teleskiguy  Jul 18, 2015 • 4:25:54pm

The Mulai, what’s your IQ? Do you even lift, bro?

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Kid A  Jul 18, 2015 • 4:25:54pm

re: #341 The Mulai

How about Republicans cutting veterans benefits?
blogs.va.gov

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 18, 2015 • 4:26:21pm

re: #341 The Mulai

You really don’t live in the real world.
Instead you whine about health death panels because your health insurance for poor people in California isn’t up to snuff FOR YOU PERSONALLY.
At the same time, you pretend to be all expert on economics and bond markets and politics, when it is completely obviously you know nothing about any of it except that life is unfair to you and Bernie will make it all better.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 18, 2015 • 4:27:01pm

re: #343 The Mulai

So do I!

The bond market is a market of buyers and sellers like all markets. When the day comes that there are more sellers than buyers interest rates will rise to attract buyers. This is already beginning to happen but nothing like what you will see within 5 years

bwahahaaaaaa!!!!!!!!!!!

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thedopefishlives  Jul 18, 2015 • 4:27:52pm

re: #347 Backwoods_Sleuth

Hush, you. Clearly it’s time to invest in gold. It’s the only stable currency.

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The Mulai  Jul 18, 2015 • 4:27:56pm

re: #345 teleskiguy

Why personally attack me? Attack my statements

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Kid A  Jul 18, 2015 • 4:28:26pm

re: #343 The Mulai

So, Market Oracle, would you care to link to this evidence of the coming hell in five years you speak of? Go ahead, I’ll wait.

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Dark_Falcon  Jul 18, 2015 • 4:29:37pm

re: #338 The Mulai

Go Away Gordon.

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Kid A  Jul 18, 2015 • 4:30:17pm

re: #349 thedopefishlives

Hush, you. Clearly it’s time to invest in gold. It’s the only stable currency.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 18, 2015 • 4:30:27pm

I haz been downdinged by the Indian sex goddess/porn star Mulai!!!!

ooooh…how shall I survive…

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teleskiguy  Jul 18, 2015 • 4:30:32pm

re: #350 The Mulai

Why personally attack me? Attack my statements

Because you’re a moron, coming to this fine blog and polluting the comments section with strawmen, hyperbole and ad hominem bullshit.

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The Mulai  Jul 18, 2015 • 4:33:29pm

re: #347 Backwoods_Sleuth

You really don’t live in the real world.
Instead you whine about health death panels because your health insurance for poor people in California isn’t up to snuff FOR YOU PERSONALLY.
At the same time, you pretend to be all expert on economics and bond markets and politics, when it is completely obviously you know nothing about any of it except that life is unfair to you and Bernie will make it all better.

Wrong, you can be worth 1 million and be on Medi Cal in California. They go by whether you are working or not. Your assets are not considered.

I was not whining about the insurance. It is very good for preventive care. I was just making the point that it is not what it lives up to be about your ability to choose a doctor and getting to see a specialist on a timely basis.

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thedopefishlives  Jul 18, 2015 • 4:33:44pm

re: #352 Dark_Falcon

Go Away Gordon.

Wow, I haven’t heard that one in a VERY long time.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 18, 2015 • 4:37:56pm

re: #356 The Mulai

Wrong, you can be worth 1 million and be on Medi Cal in California. They go by whether you are working or not. Your assets are not considered.

I was not whining about the insurance. It is very good for preventive care. I was just making the point that it is not what it lives up to be about your ability to choose a doctor and getting to see a specialist on a timely basis.

If you are worth a million dollars and not working, then you need to sell off an asset or two instead of whining about how Medi Cal isn’t working up to snuff for you.
Especially if you can afford to pay for two second opinions.
And still whine about poor people insurance while you whine about choosing doctors and seeing specialists.
That single parent slinging burgers, manning the hotel front desk or cleaning rooms, etc. feel our pain, I’m sure.

good freaking grief.

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teleskiguy  Jul 18, 2015 • 4:39:11pm

The Mulai, registered two days ago, has commented 38 times and has minus 168 karma. A real winner.

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The Mulai  Jul 18, 2015 • 4:39:18pm

re: #351 Kid A

Every market in a bubble in history has always busted. Every single one in history. The bond market is one of the biggest bubbles in history. Don’t take my word. Many Democratic economists like Nouriel Roubini have said the same thing.

I got no agenda. Anyone who has no agenda understands that the bond market will collapse at some point. All bubbles bust eventually.

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The Mulai  Jul 18, 2015 • 4:41:10pm

re: #358 Backwoods_Sleuth

If you are worth a million dollars and not working, then you need to sell off an asset or two instead of whining about how Medi Cal isn’t working up to snuff for you.
Especially if you can afford to pay for two second opinions.
And still whine about poor people insurance while you whine about choosing doctors and seeing specialists.
That single parent slinging burgers, manning the hotel front desk or cleaning rooms, etc. feel our pain, I’m sure.

Jesus. Did I say I was worth 1 million dollars? I just gave an example that your assets have nothing to do with getting Medi Cal. My God

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 18, 2015 • 4:41:24pm

re: #360 The Mulai

LOL, you “have no agenda”?
That’s ALL you have had since you first hatched here.

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Dark_Falcon  Jul 18, 2015 • 4:41:38pm

re: #357 thedopefishlives

Wow, I haven’t heard that one in a VERY long time.

I know, but it fits in this case.

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jamesfirecat  Jul 18, 2015 • 4:41:55pm

re: #361 The Mulai

Learn how not to include your post’s text inside the blockquotes, it makes it very hard to tell what you’re saying.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 18, 2015 • 4:43:01pm

re: #361 The Mulai

You totally missed the point there, obviously.
But I’m not surprised, being as you are all “no agenda” and everything.
Because flinging nonsense talking points you don’t actually understand is so much easier.

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William Lewis  Jul 18, 2015 • 4:43:33pm

Anyone else tired of this right winger pretending to be lefty troll?

Oh, Stinky? Clean up in thread 44847!

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The Mulai  Jul 18, 2015 • 4:43:35pm

re: #364 jamesfirecat

I am illiterate when it comes to that. Sorry.

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teleskiguy  Jul 18, 2015 • 4:43:40pm

re: #360 The Mulai

I got no agenda.

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Dark_Falcon  Jul 18, 2015 • 4:43:43pm

re: #360 The Mulai

I got no agenda. Anyone who has no agenda understands that the bond market will collapse at some point. All bubbles bust eventually.

When it comes to economic policy, everyone has an agenda. your claiming not to have one is disingenuous.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 18, 2015 • 4:44:55pm

re: #367 The Mulai

I am illiterate when it comes to that. Sorry.

No shit.
And that’s not the only thing you are illiterate about.

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thedopefishlives  Jul 18, 2015 • 4:45:56pm

re: #370 Backwoods_Sleuth

No shit.
And that’s not the only thing you are illiterate about.

One of the most obvious signs of a troll is claiming not to know how to use the system. I think we’ve got a real winner here, J.

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The Mulai  Jul 18, 2015 • 4:46:02pm

re: #366 William Lewis

Why does everything today have to come in black or white or right wing or left wing.

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[deleted]  Jul 18, 2015 • 4:47:32pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 18, 2015 • 4:48:41pm

re: #372 The Mulai

Why does everything today have to come in black or white or right wing or left wing.

Pretty much what you have come here with.

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William Lewis  Jul 18, 2015 • 4:49:52pm

re: #372 The Mulai

Stop, I say stop it boy, you’re doin’ alot of choppin’ but no chips are flyin’

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jamesfirecat  Jul 18, 2015 • 4:50:40pm

re: #372 The Mulai

Why does everything today have to come in black or white or right wing or left wing.

Because this is first and foremost a political blog, where people come on line to comment about what they think about the political situation int he world, with a heavy bent towards American Politics due to the owner of the blog being an American.

American politics are super heavily polarized right now because the right wing is trying to shift the Overtone Window until it makes you a “communist” to say you don’t want to cut medicare to pay for more abstinence education programs..

In short, a political blog, is full of people who tend to see things, want to comment on things through a political lens… who would have expeceted that?

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teleskiguy  Jul 18, 2015 • 4:50:48pm

The Mulai, you have nothing constructive to offer this online community. If you thought you would be preaching to the choir you are horribly mistaken. I kindly ask you to fuck off.

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The Mulai  Jul 18, 2015 • 4:51:00pm

re: #374 Backwoods_Sleuth

Wrong. As I have said the Mulai is for abortion rights. gay marriage, environmental regulations with teeth, equal pay for women.
Also the U.S. must get its finances in order

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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Jul 18, 2015 • 4:51:36pm

re: #331 The Mulai

Wrong, no right wing troll. I would say you understand little how markets work. Right now there is a huge concern about the liquidity of the bond market. This is not a right wing, left wing or any wing issue.

There are many economists from all wings that understand that when the train turns and the bond holders who finance the debt want their money there is going to have to be enough buyers out there or interest rates will move up drastically to attract the buyers.

The bond market now is starting to show illiquidity.

a more right wing fake concern scare tactic topic the dog philosopher would be hard put to come up with

tell me - are you gonna advise me to invest in gold now?

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jamesfirecat  Jul 18, 2015 • 4:51:45pm

re: #378 The Mulai

Wrong. As I have said the Mulai is for abortion rights. gay marriage, environmental regulations with teeth, equal pay for women.
Also the U.S. must get its finances in order

How do you suggest we do the last one?

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jaunte  Jul 18, 2015 • 4:52:04pm
it is not what it lives up to be about your ability to choose a doctor and getting to see a specialist on a timely basis

ww.pokerology.com

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jamesfirecat  Jul 18, 2015 • 4:52:44pm

re: #381 jaunte

ww.pokerology.com

There’s probably supposed to be a third “w” in that link…

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William Lewis  Jul 18, 2015 • 4:54:08pm

re: #378 The Mulai

“the mulai” has yet to say anything worth believing. You remind me of Paul Revere’s ride, a little light in the belfry.

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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Jul 18, 2015 • 4:54:49pm

re: #378 The Mulai

Wrong. As I have said the Mulai is for abortion rights. gay marriage, environmental regulations with teeth, equal pay for women.
Also the U.S. must get its finances in order

you dont realize how right wing you sound even when attempting to embrace positions you imagine will make you sound “liberal”

i dont care how socially liberal you are your budget stuff is straight out of the gop playbook

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teleskiguy  Jul 18, 2015 • 4:55:10pm

The Mulai, talking in the third person. Well, teleskiguy thinks what engineer dog thinks, The Mulai is a right winger pretending to be a left winger. teleskiguy don’t approve!

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 18, 2015 • 4:55:45pm

re: #375 William Lewis

Stop, I say stop it boy, you’re doin’ alot of choppin’ but no chips are flyin’

He’s winning hearts and minds over to Bernie.

Oh wait…he’s running them away.

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teleskiguy  Jul 18, 2015 • 4:56:15pm

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thedopefishlives  Jul 18, 2015 • 4:56:17pm

re: #385 teleskiguy

The Mulai, talking in the third person. Well, teleskiguy thinks what engineer dog thinks, The Mulai is a right winger pretending to be a left winger. teleskiguy don’t approve!

I think The Mulai makes a good chew toy for The Lizardim. Admit it - when’s the last time any of us have had this much fun?

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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Jul 18, 2015 • 4:58:29pm

re: #388 thedopefishlives

I think The Mulai makes a good chew toy for The Lizardim. Admit it - when’s the last time any of us have had this much fun?

i like trolls. they stimulate my blood pressure

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thedopefishlives  Jul 18, 2015 • 4:59:11pm

re: #389 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸

i like trolls. they stimulate my blood pressure

Yeah, that’s definitely a bad thing in my case. Hypertension is strong in my family.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 18, 2015 • 5:00:22pm

re: #378 The Mulai

Wrong. As I have said the Mulai is for abortion rights. gay marriage, environmental regulations with teeth, equal pay for women.
Also the U.S. must get its finances in order

Yeah, because Obama has been throwing our money away on two unfunded wars to the benefit of his VP.

Oh wait…that would be the PREVIOUS Administration.

The current Administration has reduced the debt, increased employment and the economy is recovering nicely.

But NOT FOR YOU, so it’s all bad bad BAD.

Oh, and that alleged “$19 trillion dollar debt” you were flinging around earlier?
All RWNJ blogs including *gasp* Glenn Beck’s The Blaze ranting about that during the Obama years but not before.

My shocked face…

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 18, 2015 • 5:01:19pm

re: #383 William Lewis

“the mulai” has yet to say anything worth believing. You remind me of Paul Revere’s ride, a little light in the belfry.

And every Ron Paul diehard follower.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 18, 2015 • 5:05:27pm

re: #378 The Mulai

Wrong. As I have said the Mulai is for abortion rights. gay marriage, environmental regulations with teeth, equal pay for women.
Also the U.S. must get its finances in order

Google…how does it work?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 18, 2015 • 5:13:16pm

Dark, time to pull out the grill I think.
Haz it marinated enough yet?

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Kid A  Jul 18, 2015 • 5:14:44pm

Kid A used to be a wingnut. Socially liberal, but a wingnut. Kid A started to question his wingnutness in 2006, and ran away completely in mid-2009. Kid A joined the LGF community in 2010 after lurking since 2003. LGF has been very informative for Kid A. Kid A likes LGF.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 18, 2015 • 5:15:47pm

re: #395 Kid A

Kid A used to be a wingnut. Socially liberal, but a wingnut. Kid A started to question his wingnutness in 2006, and ran away completely in mid-2009. Kid A joined the LGF community in 2010 after lurking since 2003. LGF has been very informative for Kid A. Kid A likes LGF.

LGF likes Kid A.

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Kid A  Jul 18, 2015 • 5:16:42pm

re: #396 Backwoods_Sleuth

Kid A likes Backwoods_Sleuth.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 18, 2015 • 5:17:03pm

re: #397 Kid A

Kid A likes Backwoods_Sleuth.

*smoochies*

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Kid A  Jul 18, 2015 • 5:17:25pm

re: #398 Backwoods_Sleuth

Kid A LOLs

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thedopefishlives  Jul 18, 2015 • 5:17:32pm

re: #398 Backwoods_Sleuth

*smoochies*

Ugh, get a room, you two.///

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Kid A  Jul 18, 2015 • 5:18:13pm

The Kid A is going upstairs.

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teleskiguy  Jul 18, 2015 • 5:20:51pm

Kid A is a professional photographer living in Texas. Kid A is also a Radiohead album, the one where they started getting really weird.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 18, 2015 • 5:26:25pm

re: #402 teleskiguy

Kid A is a professional photographer living in Texas. Kid A is also a Radiohead album, the one where they started getting really weird.

Backwoods_Sleuth is also a professional photographer and journalist.

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BongCrodny  Jul 18, 2015 • 5:32:07pm

Because absolutely nobody asked for it, it’s “Letters To Donald, Part II”

June 18, 2015

His Eminence Donald Trump
New York City, NY

Dear Dr. Trump:

First of all, I want to apologize for calling you merely “Mr.” in my last letter. I had no idea that you had received a honorary doctorate in business from the prestigious Liberty University. Did you meet Jerry Falwell when you were there? (Upon recollection, I think he might have already died - but if there’s one man that could “rise from the dead,” it’s Rev. Falwell!) It is quite an honor to receive an honorary doctorate from Liberty U, and puts you amidst such luminaries as Glenn Beck and that guy who owns Chick-Fil-A. Awesome!

I also want to congratulate you on your recent rise to the top of the polls! 17% of the voters in a poll may only represent .0000000001% of the voters (I just came up with those numbers, but I think they sound about right), but it’s five times better than .00000000001% of the voters.

Anyway, I realize that it’s only been a couple a days since my last letter, so I understand if you haven’t yet had time to digest it - but I find that I have so many ideas for your campaign in my brain that they’re practically foaming at the mouth to get out!

First, you need a Theme Song. I don’t know what it is with these namby-bambi rock and roll guys who get all bent out of shape when somebody they disagree with politically plays their songs - you would think they would appreciate the exposure! Neil Young (more like Neil Old, ha, ha!) should be grateful you’re playing his music.

I think you should snap up the rights to the song “Lump” by The Presidents of the United States (how’s that for being ironical!). Heck, it’s not like they’re doing anything with it anyway! You could then rewrite the lyrics to fit your campaign, like: He’s Trump, He’s Trump, He’s In My Head, He’s Trump, He’s Trump, He’s Trump, Something Something Something Something. (I don’t think “He might be dead” is appropriate. Do you? ‘Cause we can sure keep it if you say so!)

Next, you should consider a massive TV advertising campaign. I have an idea where we take the footage of you on your TV show “Shark Tank” and alternate images of all the other Presidential candidates with film clips of you yelling “YOURRRRR FIIIIIIIRED!” at each one of them. (If you think this flies in the face of my last letter, I suppose it does a bit - but I have to admit that my idea for “The Avengers of the Republican Party” always was a long shot, because I mean what are you going to do about Tom Cruz? That guy doesn’t play nice with anybody! Those Canadians get mad at everything!

Besides, most all of them are “Ex-” something or others, so it’s not like they have jobs to begin with.

Third, you should achoo the traditional mainstream media like the Sunday news shows. You’ve already got the politically savvy vote locked up; you need to attract the “slow information voter” that the media is always talking about. So in that vein, you should go on ALL the shows EXCEPT for the news programs! For example, you could go on Saturday Night Live and shout “LIVE FROM NEW YORK, YOURRRR FIIIIIIIRED!” Or “Who’s The Boss”! Or maybe you could convince Dos Equis to put you in one of their commercials as The Most Interesting Billionaire In The World! (“I don’t always run for President, but when I do, I prefer Dos Equis!”) It’s a win-win situation! You get boatloads of FREE exposure (you can’t buy that!), and Dos Equis gets a natural born leader to advertise their product! There’s nothing wrong with a few brewskies now and again (and again and again!) - and I’m sure a man who’s always on the go like you could stand to put on a few pounds.

Maybe you could go on WWE Raw again and shave Vince McMahon’s head again; that would completely lock up the teen vote!

Well, I’ll sign off for now; I need to save something for the next letter. (I’ll probably talk about Family Issues, because if there’s one area where you’re “below the belt,” it’s Family Issues!)

I hope you know that you will always have my respect and aw. Without a doubt you’ve proven yourself more than worthy of handling the world’s toughest job. If there’s one thing the world doesn’t need right now, it’s a man who will fly off the handle at the drop of a hat. We need someone as cool as a cucumber in the White House, and that cucumber is YOU!

Very truly yours,
Your #2 Fan!
Bong Crodny

P.S. Vote Donald, and think V-D!

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darthstar  Jul 19, 2015 • 6:49:42am

re: #255 Backwoods_Sleuth

Fun thing to google “Mulai” and see what comes up…

mmmMulai

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The Mulai  Jul 19, 2015 • 4:35:45pm

re: #391 Backwoods_Sleuth

Economy recovery nicely you say. Last quarter GDP or 1st quarter of 2015 was a negative.02%. You do not know what you are talking about.

Labor participation rate at about 62% or 50 year lows.

As I said you do not know what you are talking about.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 19, 2015 • 4:36:20pm

re: #406 The Mulai

Economy recovery nicely you say. Last quarter GDP or 1st quarter of 2015 was a negative.02%. You do not know what you are talking about.

Labor participation rate at about 62% or 50 year lows.

As I said you do not know what you are talking about.

You are so cute.

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The Mulai  Jul 19, 2015 • 4:44:40pm

re: #407 Backwoods_Sleuth

The facts are not cute!

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 19, 2015 • 4:45:52pm

re: #408 The Mulai

The facts are not cute!

There’s your problem.


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