A Deep Dive Into the Work of a Comic Genius: Chuck Jones - the Evolution of an Artist

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Here’s an interesting deep dive into the amazing work of Warner Brothers master cartoonist Chuck Jones.

If you grew up watching Looney Tunes, then you know Chuck Jones, one of the all-time masters of visual comedy. Normally I would talk about his ingenious framing and timing, but not today. Instead, I’d like to explore the evolution of his sensibilities as an artist. To see the names of the films, press the CC button and select “Movie Titles.”

This video also had a wonderful animation consultant: Taylor Ramos (taylorkramos.tumblr.com)

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Music:
Raymond Scott - “Powerhouse,” “Minuet in Jazz,” “Twilight in Turkey,” “The Toy Trumpet”
Carl Stalling - “Scentimental Romeo,” “Guided Muscle,” “Feline Frame-Up,” “Rabbit Seasoning,” “Duck! Rabbit, Duck!”
Milt Franklyn - “One Froggy Evening,” “Robin Hood Daffy,” “What’s Opera, Doc?”

Interview Clips (from Looney Tunes Platinum Collection Vol 1):
Chuck Jones Interview: emmytvlegends.org (bit.ly)
Chuck Jones: Extremes & In-Betweens (bit.ly)
A Chuck Jones Tutorial: Tricks of the Cartoon Trade (bit.ly)
It Hopped One Night: A Look at “One Froggy Evening” (bit.ly)

Recommended Reading:
9 Rules of the Coyote and the Road Runner
bit.ly

Chuck Amuck: The Life and Times of an Animated Cartoonist
amazon.com

The Noble Approach: Maurice Noble and the Zen of Animation Design
amazon.com

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611 comments

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prairiefire  Jul 18, 2015 • 5:45:56pm

An American hero. One of the first media representation of the great American smart ass!

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PhillyPretzel  Jul 18, 2015 • 5:47:28pm

I was one of those who would get up early on Saturday mornings just to watch the Bugs Bunny/Road Runner hour.

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teleskiguy  Jul 18, 2015 • 5:50:32pm
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psddluva4evah  Jul 18, 2015 • 5:50:53pm
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ObserverArt  Jul 18, 2015 • 5:52:00pm

I use to live for the Bugs Bunny Show when it was prime time back in the early 60s.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 18, 2015 • 5:52:52pm

That was fascinating. Although I was born well after Loonie Toons’ hay day, I always did enjoy the re-runs I saw. Definitely feel like showing my niece some clips next time I see her. Mr. Jones’ work really transcends generations and I think that’s part of his genius too.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jul 18, 2015 • 5:53:23pm

re: #4 psddluva4evah

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Oh god, that’s wonderful….

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teleskiguy  Jul 18, 2015 • 5:54:13pm

Probably my favorite Looney Tunes is Bugsy and Mugsy.

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jamesfirecat  Jul 18, 2015 • 5:55:39pm

re: #8 teleskiguy

Probably my favorite Looney Tunes is Bugsy and Mugsy.

Don’t make me choose,…

Bully for Bugs, but only because I had it (or at least 2/3rds or so of it) as part of a the Bugs Bunny’s Easter Funnies VHS, so I got plenty of chances to watch it before we had stuff like youtube.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 18, 2015 • 5:55:44pm

re: #8 teleskiguy

Probably my favorite Looney Tunes is Bugsy and Mugsy.

I always liked Foghorn Leghorn and Daffy. I think that’s what makes Looney Tunes so neat though. There were so many different characters. I always found Warner Brothers and also Hanna-Barbara’s cartoons much more entertaining than Disney’s.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jul 18, 2015 • 5:55:58pm

re: #8 teleskiguy

Probably my favorite Looney Tunes is Bugsy and Mugsy.

I’m delighted to see Marvin the Martian so much here because he was my favorite….

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HappyWarrior  Jul 18, 2015 • 5:56:07pm

re: #9 jamesfirecat

Don’t make me choose,…

Bully for bugs

Mel Blanc was a hell of a talent wasn’t he?

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PhillyPretzel  Jul 18, 2015 • 5:56:24pm

re: #8 teleskiguy

One of my favorites was when Wile Coyote talked about why he was always after that Road Runner.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 18, 2015 • 5:56:35pm

I always liked the Foghorn and Henery Hawk bits.

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Kid A  Jul 18, 2015 • 5:56:36pm

Kid A is going out for some beers.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 18, 2015 • 5:56:54pm

re: #15 Kid A

Kid A is going out for some beers.

Get me one or five.

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jamesfirecat  Jul 18, 2015 • 5:58:13pm

re: #12 HappyWarrior

Mel Blanc was a hell of a talent wasn’t he?

I like this story of how that one came about…

Recounting the genesis of the classic “Bully for Bugs”, Jones recalled the day Selzer showed up at his door as he and writer Mike Maltese were hashing out story ideas, and bellowed: “I don’t want any pictures about bullfights! Bullfights aren’t funny!” Then Selzer marched off, leaving his dumbfounded staff staring at each other. “Well,” Maltese said, “Eddie’s never been right yet…”

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HappyWarrior  Jul 18, 2015 • 5:59:16pm

re: #17 jamesfirecat

I like this story of how that one came about…

Recounting the genesis of the classic “Bully for Bugs”, Jones recalled the day Selzer showed up at his door as he and writer Mike Maltese were hashing out story ideas, and bellowed: “I don’t want any pictures about bullfights! Bullfights aren’t funny!” Then Selzer marched off, leaving his dumbfounded staff staring at each other. “Well,” Maltese said, “Eddie’s never been right yet…”

That is brilliant.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 18, 2015 • 6:00:25pm

re: #4 psddluva4evah

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I so much want to shop in Serena for that.
:D

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Charles Johnson  Jul 18, 2015 • 6:00:55pm

re: #4 psddluva4evah

In the old days we used to have people at LGF who tried to tell me the Celtic Cross symbol…

… had nothing to do with white supremacism, and I was crazy to think it did. Imagining things. “Seeing Nazis under the bed.”

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 18, 2015 • 6:01:21pm

re: #15 Kid A

Kid A is going out for some beers.

BWS is calling in a big order of pizzas to be delivered to the LGF clubhouse.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 18, 2015 • 6:01:57pm

re: #21 Backwoods_Sleuth

BWS is calling in a big order of pizzas to be delivered to the LGF clubhouse.

One Hawaiian please.//

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thedopefishlives  Jul 18, 2015 • 6:02:05pm

re: #21 Backwoods_Sleuth

BWS is calling in a big order of pizzas to be delivered to the LGF clubhouse.

Oh, good. Thedopefishlives is hungry.

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PhillyPretzel  Jul 18, 2015 • 6:02:33pm

re: #21 Backwoods_Sleuth

Ahh. Cheese please. :)

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 18, 2015 • 6:02:42pm

re: #22 HappyWarrior

One Hawaiian please.//

Most definitely.

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William Lewis  Jul 18, 2015 • 6:03:01pm

re: #22 HappyWarrior

One Hawaiian please.//

Make it two :D

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jamesfirecat  Jul 18, 2015 • 6:03:04pm

re: #20 Charles Johnson

In the old days we used to have people at LGF who tried to tell me the Celtic Cross symbol…

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… had nothing to do with white supremacism, and I was crazy to think it did. Imagining things. “Seeing Nazis under the bed.”

///Sure that isn’t just a surveyor’s mark?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 18, 2015 • 6:03:09pm

re: #23 thedopefishlives

Oh, good. Thedopefishlives is hungry.

swim, swim, swim…

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HappyWarrior  Jul 18, 2015 • 6:03:16pm

re: #20 Charles Johnson

In the old days we used to have people at LGF who tried to tell me the Celtic Cross symbol…

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… had nothing to do with white supremacism, and I was crazy to think it did. Imagining things. “Seeing Nazis under the bed.”

It most definitely does. It’s a shame honestly though. I always thought they were neat looking but white supremacists ruin so many things.

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thedopefishlives  Jul 18, 2015 • 6:03:49pm

re: #28 Backwoods_Sleuth

swim, swim, swim…

Thedopefishlives will take the meat special. None of those stinky vegetables.

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thedopefishlives  Jul 18, 2015 • 6:04:17pm

And that’s enough of that. I can’t type myself out in the third person anymore.

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Charles Johnson  Jul 18, 2015 • 6:04:36pm
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Charles Johnson  Jul 18, 2015 • 6:06:20pm

So great. So so great.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 18, 2015 • 6:07:32pm

That really is perfect. Guy on Pissy’s left has an emblem I’ve seen on KKK stuff before too by the way.

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ObserverArt  Jul 18, 2015 • 6:07:49pm

re: #27 jamesfirecat

///Sure that isn’t just a surveyor’s mark?

Printer Registration Mark of a color plate. There would be several for all the colors.

Hmm. Color plate.

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A Mom Anon  Jul 18, 2015 • 6:07:51pm

re: #4 psddluva4evah

That’s about the most awesome thing I’ve seen all day. It about sums up the haters as well as anything I’ve seen. What a bunch of whiny ass mean spirited brats.

I swear, there is just this ridiculous need some people have to just be contrary assholes. I had, note the word had, a friend, someone I really liked, who lost his damned mind after Obama was elected. Every holy day for Muslims he’d post how he was having pork chops or bacon or ham in celebration. Yes, because that just worries all the Muslims in America so much. Ooooh you really showed them. I finally just cut off contact, it’s not worth it to me to try to talk normal to people like that.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 18, 2015 • 6:09:14pm

If you haven’t seen Boardwalk Empire do not read.

That photo makes me think of the scene where Chalky (played by Michael Kenneth Johnson) interrogates a klansman and tells about how his father was lynched and ends up removing the klansman’s finger.

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Decatur Deb  Jul 18, 2015 • 6:10:34pm

re: #34 HappyWarrior

That really is perfect. Guy on Pissy’s left has an emblem I’ve seen on KKK stuff before too by the way.

Cental symbol of KKKs— “Blood Drop Cross”.

adl.org

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Charles Johnson  Jul 18, 2015 • 6:11:04pm
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HappyWarrior  Jul 18, 2015 • 6:11:27pm

re: #36 A Mom Anon

That’s about the most awesome thing I’ve seen all day. It about sums up the haters as well as anything I’ve seen. What a bunch of whiny ass mean spirited brats.

I swear, there is just this ridiculous need some people have to just be contrary assholes. I had, note the word had, a friend, someone I really liked, who lost his damned mind after Obama was elected. Every holy day for Muslims he’d post how he was having pork chops or bacon or ham in celebration. Yes, because that just worries all the Muslims in America so much. Ooooh you really showed them. I finally just cut off contact, it’s not worth it to me to try to talk normal to people like that.

And I bet your friend hadn’t met any Muslims ever. My cousin is like that. Always talks about how he wants all Muslims dead and I keep on thinking how few if any Muslims he’s met. I do feel bad since he’s in a lot of pain- kidney problems but it saddens me that he has so much hate in him too.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 18, 2015 • 6:11:41pm

re: #38 Decatur Deb

Cental symbol of KKKs— “Blood Drop Cross”.

adl.org

Yeah thanks. Didn’t know the formal name for that.

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Decatur Deb  Jul 18, 2015 • 6:13:46pm

re: #41 HappyWarrior

Yeah thanks. Didn’t know the formal name for that.

Round here, you want to distinguish your klansman from your Krispy Kreme donut delivery.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 18, 2015 • 6:14:20pm

dammit

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thedopefishlives  Jul 18, 2015 • 6:14:52pm

re: #43 Backwoods_Sleuth

Jesus. That’s awful.

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jamesfirecat  Jul 18, 2015 • 6:15:06pm

Oh also possibly Hillbilly Hare, or at least the last three minutes or so of it….

“Grab a fence post hold it tight…
Whomp your partner with all your might….
Hit him in the chin, hit him the head…
Hit him again, the critter ain’t dead!”

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A Mom Anon  Jul 18, 2015 • 6:15:32pm

re: #40 HappyWarrior

Yeah, my friend has a form of lupus and severe neuropathy. He’s always hurting and I am sure that constant pain has made him more of an asshole than he might have been otherwise. But it’s so sad to watch someone who was a good friend and sweet as could be, just lose his ever loving mind over what amounts to progress.

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Romantic Heretic  Jul 18, 2015 • 6:15:49pm

re: #13 PhillyPretzel

I liked the ones where Wile E and bugs faced off.

Allow me to introduce myself. My name is Coyote, Wile E.Coyote. Genius.

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De Kolta Chair  Jul 18, 2015 • 6:15:52pm
David Sipress
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 18, 2015 • 6:16:13pm

re: #44 thedopefishlives

Jesus. That’s awful.

yes, it is.

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Charles Johnson  Jul 18, 2015 • 6:16:28pm
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Saint Stephen  Jul 18, 2015 • 6:17:12pm

re: #20 Charles Johnson

From Wikipedia: “The Celtic cross is one of the most popular symbols used by individuals and organisations to represent white nationalism, white supremacy,[13][14] Neo-Nazism,[15] and white pride;[16] it is used as the logo for white nationalist hate site[17] stormfront.org.[18]

In Germany, the Celtic cross was adopted by a prohibited political party (VSBD/PdA) leading to a ban of the symbol if used within a context of promoting racism (cf. Strafgesetzbuch section 86a).”

The VSBD/PdA existed from 1971 to 1982.

So, the cross was not used by the Nazis, but has been used by neo-Nazi, white supremacist groups.

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jamesfirecat  Jul 18, 2015 • 6:17:38pm

Great, while I’m busy doing a post about one of my favorite Looney Tunes moments, a horrible accident happens and I don’t find out about it till after I post…

Well that makes me feel like a heel…

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Romantic Heretic  Jul 18, 2015 • 6:18:05pm

re: #29 HappyWarrior

It most definitely does. It’s a shame honestly though. I always thought they were neat looking but white supremacists ruin so many things.

Like when Prussian Blue sang Panzerlied on one of their albums. Snarl.

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Charles Johnson  Jul 18, 2015 • 6:18:22pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 18, 2015 • 6:18:48pm
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HappyWarrior  Jul 18, 2015 • 6:19:22pm

re: #45 jamesfirecat

Oh also possibly Hillbilly Hare, or at least the last three minutes or so of it….

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Video

“Grab a fence post hold it tight…
Whomp your partner with all your might….
Hit him in the chin, hit him the head…
Hit him again, the critter ain’t dead!”

That’s actually good fiddle work heh. I remember this one. Brilliant.

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Michael McBacon  Jul 18, 2015 • 6:19:22pm

I wanted to be an animator as a kid. My heroes were Chuck Jones, Tex Avery, William Hanna, Joseph Barbera, and John K., though I was too young to understand some of his humor.

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jamesfirecat  Jul 18, 2015 • 6:19:32pm

re: #47 Romantic Heretic

I liked the ones where Wile E and bugs faced off.

Ehh, ehh, ehh, SUPER Genius.

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Charles Johnson  Jul 18, 2015 • 6:20:11pm

re: #52 jamesfirecat

Great, while I’m busy doing a post about one of my favorite Looney Tunes moments, a horrible accident happens and I don’t find out about it till after I post…

Well that makes me feel like a heel…

There’s always something awful happening somewhere in the world. Don’t beat yourself up.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jul 18, 2015 • 6:22:16pm

re: #20 Charles Johnson

In the old days we used to have people at LGF who tried to tell me the Celtic Cross symbol…

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… had nothing to do with white supremacism, and I was crazy to think it did. Imagining things. “Seeing Nazis under the bed.”

Yet it hasn’t been all that long since Celts weren’t exactly considered “white” in certain quarters.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 18, 2015 • 6:22:46pm

I liked the Daffy-Bugs one.
Duck season
No rabbit season.
I always did root for Daffy since I could identify with his stubborness. But really these were all fine characters and seeing a bit of the behind the scenes on how Chuck Jones and the other animators at Warning Brothers designed them makes me appreciate this even more now.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 18, 2015 • 6:24:32pm

re: #60 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

Yet it hasn’t been all that long since Celts weren’t exactly considered “white” in certain quarters.

Yeah. The most crazy thing for me was seeing how Neo-Nazism is prevalent in Russia and the former Eastern Bloc. It doesn’t really surprise me now that I know about the role of antisemtism in the region’s history but knowing how the Nazis themselves considered Slavs subhuman. You’d think and hope but nope sigh.

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teleskiguy  Jul 18, 2015 • 6:24:51pm

Mel Blanc’s grave.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 18, 2015 • 6:25:24pm

re: #63 teleskiguy

Mel Blanc’s grave.

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Voice acting is a talent. I wish I could do voices like Mel could.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 18, 2015 • 6:26:37pm

re: #60 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

Yet it hasn’t been all that long since Celts weren’t exactly considered “white” in certain quarters.

yeah. And I do not appreciate the white supremacists stealing my heritage. Especially since there are loads of my ancestors in Ireland and a few here in The States who have that as their gravestone.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 18, 2015 • 6:26:59pm

re: #46 A Mom Anon

Yeah, my friend has a form of lupus and severe neuropathy. He’s always hurting and I am sure that constant pain has made him more of an asshole than he might have been otherwise. But it’s so sad to watch someone who was a good friend and sweet as could be, just lose his ever loving mind over what amounts to progress.

Yeah I feel the same way about my cousin. I really think he needs to see the good in people. That’s why I was so glad that when my brother moved out west that he stopped by and visited my cousin when he was in Colorado.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jul 18, 2015 • 6:27:31pm

re: #55 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Sometimes I feel kind of silly about loving cats so much, but then I see something like that….

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HappyWarrior  Jul 18, 2015 • 6:28:10pm

re: #65 Backwoods_Sleuth

yeah. And I do not appreciate the white supremacists stealing my heritage. Especially since there are loads of my ancestors in Ireland and a few here in The States who have that as their gravestone.

You and me both. I’m proud to be of Irish heritage- wonderful music, culture, people, drink but I do not think myself supreme because of being white and Irish.

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thedopefishlives  Jul 18, 2015 • 6:28:44pm

re: #68 HappyWarrior

You and me both. I’m proud to be of Irish heritage- wonderful music, culture, people, drink but I do not think myself supreme because of being white and Irish.

Nothing wrong with being Irish. Nothing wrong with being proud of being Irish. Everything wrong with thinking being Irish makes you better than anyone else.

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Charles Johnson  Jul 18, 2015 • 6:29:29pm
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prairiefire  Jul 18, 2015 • 6:29:55pm

re: #21 Backwoods_Sleuth

BWS is calling in a big order of pizzas to be delivered to the LGF clubhouse.

Thanks!

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thedopefishlives  Jul 18, 2015 • 6:29:57pm

re: #70 Charles Johnson

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John McCain is a lot of things - a dumbass, a curmudgeon, a right-wing nutjob of the first degree - but a traitor? No. Just no.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jul 18, 2015 • 6:30:00pm

Mrs. FBW and I are housesitting for a friend in San Francisco, so we’re pretending to be tourists. Today we went to Academy of Science. Guess who just HAD to have her picture taken with the giraffes….

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HappyWarrior  Jul 18, 2015 • 6:30:47pm

It also and I know BWS and the other Irish-American lizards will agree always irks me to see white supremacist assholes try to claim that the Irish had it worse than African-American slaves. Uh no. When my great great and great great great grandparents came here, they came on their own free will. They may have encountered some discrimination I am sure but my great great grandfather didn’t have to worry about his life being in danger if he looked or said something wrong to a Protestant or American native the way African-Americans did with whites for generations. Not to mention that whole you know 200+ years of forced human bondage. You can say that Irish emigrants had it tough without being a dick.

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Charles Johnson  Jul 18, 2015 • 6:30:53pm
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De Kolta Chair  Jul 18, 2015 • 6:31:37pm

One of my very faves by Chuck Jones is A Sheep in the Deep, with “co-workers” Ralph Wolf and Sam Sheepdog. Sight gags galore.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 18, 2015 • 6:31:38pm

re: #67 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

Sometimes I feel kind of silly about loving cats so much, but then I see something like that….

Dogs, too:

Lily will listen to Maddison’s barks and sniff for her friend and Maddison will curl up next to Lily to give her comfort. The two dogs are truly remarkable.

godvine.com

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HappyWarrior  Jul 18, 2015 • 6:32:13pm

re: #69 thedopefishlives

Nothing wrong with being Irish. Nothing wrong with being proud of being Irish. Everything wrong with thinking being Irish makes you better than anyone else.

Exactly. I actually like being an ethnic mutt. I’m not exotic like my niece though who has what I have plus Peruvian, Spanish, Croatian, and probably some African too.

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thedopefishlives  Jul 18, 2015 • 6:32:18pm

re: #74 HappyWarrior

Fishfolk were Revolutionary War heroes and never had it anywhere near as rough even as the Irish who immigrated after. No African-American slaves had that kind of opportunity, for sure.

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thedopefishlives  Jul 18, 2015 • 6:32:52pm

re: #78 HappyWarrior

Exactly. I actually like being an ethnic mutt. I’m not exotic like my niece though who has what I have plus Peruvian, Spanish, Croatian, and probably some African too.

Mrs. Fish has quite the vivid blend of heritages, as well. Me, I’m pretty vanilla Northern European - Scotch, Irish, English, German.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 18, 2015 • 6:33:04pm

re: #75 Charles Johnson

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Did he not see that Ted Cruz is even condemning Trump? I guess we know that Cruz’s rabbits aren’t safe for now.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 18, 2015 • 6:33:31pm

re: #75 Charles Johnson

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And he’s citing a white nationalist website for evidence.

Of course, he is…

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Eric The Fruit Bat  Jul 18, 2015 • 6:33:33pm

re: #43 Backwoods_Sleuth

And to think Bruce Boxleitner gave me shit when I pointed out to him that at least this many people died over the weekend from drunk driving while he was crying Islamic terrorism.

At least I can leave Twitter knowing that I was right and that Boxleitner’s cries of “PC”-ism was just a code phrase for his true self.

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jamesfirecat  Jul 18, 2015 • 6:33:36pm

re: #67 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

Sometimes I feel kind of silly about loving cats so much, but then I see something like that….

Since we’re talking about loving cats so much, here’s one of the few Looney Tunes shorts where Slyvester gets anything close to a win…

And it’s hard to think that he couldn’t have deserved it more in that situation…

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prairiefire  Jul 18, 2015 • 6:33:59pm

re: #73 Blind Frog Belly White

Scoma’s restaurant at Fisherman’s wharf is good.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 18, 2015 • 6:34:38pm

re: #83 Eric The Fruit Bat

And to think Bruce Boxleitner gave me shit when I pointed out to him that at least this many people died over the weekend from drunk driving while he was crying Islamic terrorism.

At least I can leave Twitter knowing that I was right and that Boxleitner’s cries of “PC”-ism was just a code phrase for his true self.

I’ve found that people who whine about “PC” don’t have a clue what they’re actually bitching about. What they call PC, most of us call just common decency.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 18, 2015 • 6:36:39pm

re: #86 HappyWarrior

I’ve found that people who whine about “PC” don’t have a clue what they’re actually bitching about. What they call PC, most of us call just common decency.

They bitch about PC because that means they can’t say words like n**ger.
And then take it from there as to talking shit about women and other minorities and people not like themselves.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jul 18, 2015 • 6:36:41pm

Boxleitner’s a real disappointment. Oh well, I only watched Babylon 5 for Claudia Christian anyway—basically gave it up when she quit….

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Charles Johnson  Jul 18, 2015 • 6:37:35pm
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HappyWarrior  Jul 18, 2015 • 6:37:39pm

re: #87 Backwoods_Sleuth

They bitch about PC because that means they can’t say words like n**ger.
And then take it from there as to talking shit about women and other minorities and people not like themselves.

They cry about “PC run amok” but they’re awfully sensitive about words like “cracker” whose offensiveness doesn’t come anywhere near the n-words.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 18, 2015 • 6:38:28pm
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jaunte  Jul 18, 2015 • 6:38:41pm

re: #89 Charles Johnson

“Smears4clicks dot com”

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 18, 2015 • 6:39:16pm

re: #92 jaunte

“Smears4clicks dot com”

lol, I first saw that as “smears4dicks”

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Charles Johnson  Jul 18, 2015 • 6:39:37pm

Chuck is seriously losing it now.

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jaunte  Jul 18, 2015 • 6:39:56pm

re: #93 Backwoods_Sleuth

That works too!

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thedopefishlives  Jul 18, 2015 • 6:39:57pm

re: #94 Charles Johnson

Chuck is seriously losing it now.

Not to disagree with you, boss, but you’re assuming he had “it” to lose in the first place.

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BeenHereAwhile  Jul 18, 2015 • 6:40:57pm

re: #65 Backwoods_Sleuth

yeah. And I do not appreciate the white supremacists stealing my heritage. Especially since there are loads of my ancestors in Ireland and a few here in The States who have that as their gravestone.

“But not the Irish!”

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thedopefishlives  Jul 18, 2015 • 6:41:14pm

re: #97 BeenHereAwhile

That cracks me up every time I see it.

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Charles Johnson  Jul 18, 2015 • 6:41:27pm

re: #96 thedopefishlives

He was always horrible. But now he’s messing with one of the most connected Republican politicians in the country.

That’s taking the derangement to another level.

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Michael McBacon  Jul 18, 2015 • 6:43:06pm

re: #86 HappyWarrior

IMO accusations of “political correctness” usually stem from bigots who fear criticism from the outside world.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 18, 2015 • 6:43:56pm

re: #100 Michael McBacon

IMO accusations of “political correctness” usually stem from bigots who fear criticism from the outside world.

Yeah sounds right. Really if you’re saying “But I am just not a politically correct person”, I am going to assume you’re going to say something bigoted and I don’t want to hear you bitch if I call you on it.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jul 18, 2015 • 6:44:20pm

re: #77 Backwoods_Sleuth

Dogs, too:

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godvine.com

Blubbering….

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The War TARDIS  Jul 18, 2015 • 6:48:17pm

re: #43 Backwoods_Sleuth

I hope the drunk driver never see the light of day again. He just ended 4 innocent lives because he had to get sloshed, and go behind the wheel.

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Charles Johnson  Jul 18, 2015 • 6:49:30pm

Chuck is citing Unz Review for his claim that John McCain is a “traitor” - a white nationalist site.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 18, 2015 • 6:51:15pm

re: #104 Charles Johnson

Chuck is citing Unz Review for his claim that John McCain is a “traitor” - a white nationalist site.

Oh come on. He was just curious.

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teleskiguy  Jul 18, 2015 • 6:52:38pm

teleskiguy read UpChuck’s article. UpChuck writes his articles in the third person.

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Joe Bacon  Jul 18, 2015 • 6:53:23pm

re: #70 Charles Johnson

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I’m waiting for the day when Ginger Snapped gets what’s coming to him.

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thedopefishlives  Jul 18, 2015 • 6:53:27pm

re: #106 teleskiguy

teleskiguy read UpChuck’s article. UpChuck writes his articles in the third person.

If he writes an article about going to a “notorious liberal blog” and “making them all look like fools”, we’ll know.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jul 18, 2015 • 6:54:08pm

re: #104 Charles Johnson

Chuck is citing Unz Review for his claim that John McCain is a “traitor” - a white nationalist site.

Well, maybe a “race traitor” ‘cause of that illegitimate black child….///

Seriously, this is how they treat their own. Is it any wonder how they’ve treated every Democrat since Humphrey?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 18, 2015 • 6:54:13pm

re: #102 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

Blubbering….

Really, such an amazingly feel-good story.
And not the first one I’ve heard of involving a blind animal meeting up with a helper.
I vaguely remembered another story about a blind dog and a deaf dog who bonded…and found it:

Eve, a deaf Catahoula Leopard dog, and Dillon, a blind border collie, both special needs rescues in California.

But when the blind dog and deaf dog touched noses, it was love at first sniff.

“Dillon followed Eve around, and she became his eyes. Eve normally fears other dogs, but with Dillon, she was immediately comfortable. The two loped off across the yard and started playing and rolling around together. Eve calmed down quickly and Dillon gained confidence from being around Eve.”

petcentric.com

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jaunte  Jul 18, 2015 • 6:55:03pm

re: #106 teleskiguy

teleskiguy read UpChuck’s article. UpChuck writes his articles in the third person.

It’s the O’Reilly technique.
“Talking Points memo thinks the minimum wage should be abolished.”

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jul 18, 2015 • 6:56:51pm

re: #110 Backwoods_Sleuth

Really, such an amazingly feel-good story.
And not the first one I’ve heard of involving a blind animal meeting up with a helper.
I vaguely remembered another story about a blind dog and a deaf dog who bonded…and found it:

Eve, a deaf Catahoula Leopard dog, and Dillon, a blind border collie, both special needs rescues in California.

petcentric.com

That is a great story. I can imagine dogs living in a world of smell and guiding themselves around by that. The blind stray kitty in the first story just broke me up, though…his new brother will take care of him, I’m sure.

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lawhawk  Jul 18, 2015 • 6:56:55pm

re: #99 Charles Johnson

He’s going to go out in a blaze of glory, and he thinks that will put him on the map.

It will put him on the DNR list - because his career light will be flashing red forever more. He will be persona non grata among anyone and everyone, and there’s no one else who will tolerate his crap.

Next up for him will be barking at the moon.

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lawhawk  Jul 18, 2015 • 6:57:44pm

re: #104 Charles Johnson

Chuck is citing Unz Review for his claim that John McCain is a “traitor” - a white nationalist site.

Yeah, he’s just exploring different views. That happen to mirror his own white supremacist racism.

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De Kolta Chair  Jul 18, 2015 • 6:58:47pm

re: #104 Charles Johnson

Chuck is citing Unz Review for his claim that John McCain is a “traitor” - a white nationalist site.

‘Natch. During the 2008 election I was a regular at HuffPo (screen name “Bitsko”), and whenever someone pulled that “McCain aided and abetted the North Vietnamese” card, they always got promptly and loudly told “You’re not helping!”

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Joe Bacon  Jul 18, 2015 • 6:59:56pm

re: #88 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

Boxleitner’s a real disappointment. Oh well, I only watched Babylon 5 for Claudia Christian anyway—basically gave it up when she quit….

Boxleitner is one of the “Friends of Abe” group that Gary Sinise set up—the group that invited Trump to speak in Los Angeles last week, The same time that Nick Searcy boasted that he entered the meeting wearing a Mexican wrestler’s mask so he could sneak past the protesters…

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Belafon  Jul 18, 2015 • 7:01:09pm

re: #115 De Kolta Chair

‘Natch. During the 2008 election I was a regular at HuffPo (screen name “Bitsko”), and whenever someone pulled that “McCain abetted the North Vietnamese” card, they always got promptly and loudly told “You’re not helping!”

I know it was considered different back then, but, unless the person captured by the opposing forces has memorized the launch codes, I don’t they they should be held accountable for what they due as a prisoner. They’re all actions by the other side.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Jul 18, 2015 • 7:03:12pm

re: #94 Charles Johnson

Chuck is seriously losing it now.

He has reprinted an entire UPI article, and I bet without paying for it.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 18, 2015 • 7:05:07pm

re: #112 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

That is a great story. I can imagine dogs living in a world of smell and guiding themselves around by that. The blind stray kitty in the first story just broke me up, though…his new brother will take care of him, I’m sure.

Almost all of my furry companions have been special needs (usually elderly dogs the last couple of decades) rescues. A few have been deaf but none have been blind, although one was seriously vision impaired due to the same turned in eyelash problem that Eve suffered, but I was able to get mine into a vet for surgery before it got too late.
Right now, I have the elderly JRT (aka “Not A Beagle!” because that’s what I was told she was when I was asked to foster her sight unseen) but also an amputee coonhound and also a cat who was born missing a rear paw and most of his tail. None of them let anything slow them down.
Except that the coonhound freaks out with loud noises, like thunder…she’s my early warning system for incoming stormy weather.

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teleskiguy  Jul 18, 2015 • 7:07:34pm

teleskiguy has the sneaking suspicion that UpChuck might never admit he was controlling the @RonReaganLives Twitter account.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 18, 2015 • 7:08:18pm
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thedopefishlives  Jul 18, 2015 • 7:08:46pm

re: #120 teleskiguy

teleskiguy has the sneaking suspicion that UpChuck might never admit he was controlling the @RonReaganLives Twitter account.

It’s got to be killing him not to admit to that.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Jul 18, 2015 • 7:09:14pm

re: #43 Backwoods_Sleuth

That’s how my aunt died in Chicago in ‘77. She was in a car with three of her friends. None had their seat belts on. A van T-boned them and pushed the car down an embankment. It landed on its roof. All four ladies died. The van driver was charged with DUI. Not sure if he did time, but all the families got substantial settlements.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 18, 2015 • 7:10:31pm
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Bear  Jul 18, 2015 • 7:12:34pm

re: #123 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

DUI should be murder IMHO.

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Charles Johnson  Jul 18, 2015 • 7:13:01pm

re: #118 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

He has reprinted an entire UPI article, and I bet without paying for it.

Even for Chuck, this is amazingly self-destructive.

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thedopefishlives  Jul 18, 2015 • 7:13:34pm

re: #126 Charles Johnson

Even for Chuck, this is amazingly self-destructive.

I wonder if he’s been saucing himself again.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 18, 2015 • 7:14:03pm

re: #126 Charles Johnson

Even for Chuck, this is amazingly self-destructive.

He’s got nothing to lose anymore.
Not that he had anything to lose before, but here we are.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 18, 2015 • 7:14:24pm

re: #127 thedopefishlives

I wonder if he’s been saucing himself again.

You know he is.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 18, 2015 • 7:15:05pm
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HappyWarrior  Jul 18, 2015 • 7:18:42pm

re: #121 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Glad her brother made it back safe. Meaghan needs to some soul searching though. She should know by now that some of the most nasty attacks on her father have come from fellow Republicans. Obama and Biden never attacked his character.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 18, 2015 • 7:19:54pm

re: #116 Joe Bacon

Boxleitner is one of the “Friends of Abe” group that Gary Sinise set up—the group that invited Trump to speak in Los Angeles last week, The same time that Nick Searcy boasted that he entered the meeting wearing a Mexican wrestler’s mask so he could sneak past the protesters…

Shame about Sinise. Knew he was a Republican but still. That the group invited Trump says a lot about them.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 18, 2015 • 7:20:01pm
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teleskiguy  Jul 18, 2015 • 7:20:03pm

Here’s UpChuck enjoying…something.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Jul 18, 2015 • 7:21:13pm

re: #126 Charles Johnson

Even for Chuck, this is amazingly self-destructive.

How has the Twitter world reacted? Chuck is being really petty here, and to what end? Has he spurned Havana Ted and taken up with Trump the Chump?

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HappyWarrior  Jul 18, 2015 • 7:22:27pm

re: #135 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

How has the Twitter world reacted? Chuck is being really petty here, and to what end? Has he spurned Havana Ted and taken up with Trump the Chump?

That’s what I was wondering too. From what I’ve seen, not one of the other candidates has defended Trump’s attack on McCain yet. I am glad but I have to wonder if they would have been quiet if it had been a Democratic veteran whom was a POW that Trump trashed. I mean we saw how Kerry was treated and Cleland oto.

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#FergusonFireside  Jul 18, 2015 • 7:27:01pm
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teleskiguy  Jul 18, 2015 • 7:30:53pm

T’is lovely at teleskiguy’s twenty. Lucky. There’s some dark clouds to the west, we’re expecting rain later tonight.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 18, 2015 • 7:31:24pm

Cruz declines to denounce Trump’s McCain comments

Ames, Iowa (CNN)Ted Cruz was unambiguous in his praise of John McCain on Saturday, calling his fellow senator a “hero” soon after Donald Trump made inflammatory remarks about the Arizona senator’s war record.

But the senator from Texas refused to join other 2016 Republican hopefuls in denouncing the real estate mogul.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 18, 2015 • 7:32:15pm

re: #138 teleskiguy

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T’is lovely at teleskiguy’s twenty. Lucky. There’s some dark clouds to the west, we’re expecting rain later tonight.

Backwoods Sleuth haz thunders and lightnings in the backwoods…

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HappyWarrior  Jul 18, 2015 • 7:33:34pm

re: #137 #FergusonFireside

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I still say that man would have made a fine president. Awesome comments by Kerry.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 18, 2015 • 7:33:56pm

re: #139 Backwoods_Sleuth

Cruz declines to denounce Trump’s McCain comments

That’s because Ted Cruz is a coward just like Trump.

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jaunte  Jul 18, 2015 • 7:35:05pm

re: #139 Backwoods_Sleuth

Clever Ted, always betting on the wrong horse.

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teleskiguy  Jul 18, 2015 • 7:35:07pm

re: #140 Backwoods_Sleuth

Backwoods Sleuth haz thunders and lightnings in the backwoods…

When have you not had thunder and lightning?!?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 18, 2015 • 7:36:02pm

re: #137 #FergusonFireside

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And Kerry is a better man:

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 18, 2015 • 7:36:32pm

re: #144 teleskiguy

When have you not had thunder and lightning?!?

LOL! Maybe a couple of years ago?

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teleskiguy  Jul 18, 2015 • 7:38:09pm

Well, mea culpa. teleskiguy was totally wrong.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 18, 2015 • 7:38:19pm

re: #145 Backwoods_Sleuth

And Kerry is a better man:

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Yep. Kerry didn’t have to say what he did but he did anyhow. That’s class.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 18, 2015 • 7:38:31pm
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HappyWarrior  Jul 18, 2015 • 7:39:12pm

re: #149 Backwoods_Sleuth

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By day, a mild mannered Vice President of a major country but by night he is Biden Man!

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 18, 2015 • 7:39:19pm

I love Joe Biden.

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teleskiguy  Jul 18, 2015 • 7:39:22pm

The third person crap is really getting to teleskiguy’s head. teleskiguy just tapped the pencil on his last comment to change the word ‘I’ to ‘teleskiguy.’

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jaunte  Jul 18, 2015 • 7:41:16pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 18, 2015 • 7:42:56pm

re: #153 jaunte

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Yep…those are excellent examples of supreme class of people…

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 18, 2015 • 7:43:29pm

re: #154 Backwoods_Sleuth

Yep…those are excellent examples of supreme class of people…

And I noted the Kentucky on his sleeve patch.

sigh.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Jul 18, 2015 • 7:43:48pm

re: #152 teleskiguy

The third person crap is really getting to teleskiguy’s head. teleskiguy just tapped the pencil on his last comment to change the word ‘I’ to ‘teleskiguy.’

You need to work in a reference to your grandfather, to make it all sound more imposing and important and stuff.

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teleskiguy  Jul 18, 2015 • 7:44:10pm

Yes it did, Phil, yes it did.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 18, 2015 • 7:44:29pm

my radar right now:

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 18, 2015 • 7:48:05pm

Guess Backwoods Sleuth better shut things down here. That big wad of orange nastiness is crossing the river and heading this way.

niterz, lizardz!

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stpaulbear  Jul 18, 2015 • 7:50:43pm

re: #158 Backwoods_Sleuth

my radar right now:

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Looks like what the Twin Cities had last night. No damage at my house so I hope the same for you.

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Chan Kobun  Jul 18, 2015 • 7:50:45pm

I hate Splatfest.

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Romantic Heretic  Jul 18, 2015 • 7:54:40pm

re: #88 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

Boxleitner’s a real disappointment. Oh well, I only watched Babylon 5 for Claudia Christian anyway—basically gave it up when she quit….

Loved G’Kar.

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Whack-A-Mole  Jul 18, 2015 • 7:56:03pm

Not sure if someone posted this on an earlier thread or not but it came across my Facebook feed and made me chuckle:

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The War TARDIS  Jul 18, 2015 • 7:58:02pm

re: #153 jaunte

Self Explanatory
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The War TARDIS  Jul 18, 2015 • 7:59:03pm

re: #163 Whack-A-Mole

Oh, I can not wait for the dumb definition of a planet the IAU has to bite it in the ass when better telescopes, both on the ground, and in space, come online.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Jul 18, 2015 • 7:59:31pm

re: #136 HappyWarrior

That’s what I was wondering too. From what I’ve seen, not one of the other candidates has defended Trump’s attack on McCain yet. I am glad but I have to wonder if they would have been quiet if it had been a Democratic veteran whom was a POW that Trump trashed. I mean we saw how Kerry was treated and Cleland oto.

Chuck was saying in one of those podcasts how Trump was mostly correct about the criminal immigrant population, especially Teh Messicans. He still seems to favor Havana Ted, but Trump’s assholiness clearly has made him a fan of Chump.

As usual, Chuck’s headline — McCain is a traitor! — has nothing to do with the story. The article he’s using only says McCain praised the doctors who put him back together after his crash, which shows generosity and gratitude. They could have just left him to die, after all.

But Chuck is trying to get another scalp, so facts and nuance are immaterial to him.

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RealityBasedSteve  Jul 18, 2015 • 8:00:31pm

Well I can’t find my Magenta GoPro filter. Now to be perfectly honest, I’m not sure that I ever bought one, just the 3 shades of red for ocean diving, but IF I did buy one, I can’t find it anyplace.

Now if I buy a new one, I suspect I’ll end up with two. Screw it, I’ll just shoot without a filter and try to adjust it in post. :)

Batteries are charging, gear is checked and packed, the center has so many students diving tomorrow, along with the folks from Wounded Warrior project that we are running low / out of some rental gear. I’m bringing in some of my personal gear to help fill the need if required.

Going to be a good (but hot) day tomorrow.

RBS

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Kragar  Jul 18, 2015 • 8:01:18pm

re: #164 The War TARDIS

Preacher?

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The War TARDIS  Jul 18, 2015 • 8:02:15pm

re: #168 Kragar

Everytime I see a protest like that, this comic comes up at some point.

Largely because it is true.

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jaunte  Jul 18, 2015 • 8:04:14pm
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TedStriker  Jul 18, 2015 • 8:05:23pm

re: #169 The War TARDIS

Everytime I see a protest like that, this comic comes up at some point.

Largely because it is true.

Very rarely do you see white supremacists that look like Dolph Lundgren (as someone else here put it a while back) at these rallies.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Jul 18, 2015 • 8:08:11pm

re: #171 TedStriker

Very rarely do you see white supremacists that look like Dolph Lundgren at these rallies.

To a certain extent, the white supremacists I’ve seen are insecure in some way,either because their looks, their intellect, or some other aspect of their personality. It’s like the only thing they’ve got to be proud of is their whiteness.

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De Kolta Chair  Jul 18, 2015 • 8:10:53pm

re: #170 jaunte

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I take it that it wasn’t a formal occasion?

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The War TARDIS  Jul 18, 2015 • 8:15:06pm

re: #172 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

My source of pride is the fact I graduated college as someone with Autism, and that I survived Colorado Springs, a city with the 2nd highest suicide rate.

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teleskiguy  Jul 18, 2015 • 8:19:04pm

ProLifeLiberal, I understand that you loathe Colorado Springs down to your very bones. I get angry when you denounce the whole fucking city.

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SteveMcGaziBolaGate  Jul 18, 2015 • 8:22:15pm

If I get an 88 on my public health final next week, I earn a BSN while fighting and suffering through horrors that I don’t dare share with anybody. If I get 87, I get a worthless health science degree.

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No Depression  Jul 18, 2015 • 8:22:20pm

Looks like the group that released the Planned Parenthood video might have lied to the IRS:

Group Behind Planned Parenthood Sting Video May Have Tricked IRS, Donors

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teleskiguy  Jul 18, 2015 • 8:22:52pm

My sister and her husband have called Colorado Springs home for over 20 years. They’re raising their kids there, my lovely nephew and niece. The Colorado Springs ProLifeLiberal describes doesn’t apply to my family’s experience there. I get pretty ticked off when ProLifeLiberal maligns an entire city of close to a half a million.

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SteveMcGaziBolaGate  Jul 18, 2015 • 8:25:36pm

re: #175 teleskiguy

I think your city can take it.

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Dark_Falcon  Jul 18, 2015 • 8:26:35pm

re: #114 lawhawk

Yeah, he’s just exploring different views. That happen to mirror his own white supremacist racism.

I wonder how much more pissed they’d get if they were reminded that Sen. McCain’s eldest son (John S. McCain IV) is married to a fellow naval officer who happens to be black.

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De Kolta Chair  Jul 18, 2015 • 8:27:23pm
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teleskiguy  Jul 18, 2015 • 8:27:27pm

Fuck Chicago and all the gun violence!
Fuck Dallas and all those rednecks!
Fuck Colorado Springs and all those religious fundamentalists!

See?

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JadeHelmCurious  Jul 18, 2015 • 8:27:34pm

re: #177 No Depression

This webpage is not available

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SteveMcGaziBolaGate  Jul 18, 2015 • 8:27:45pm

re: #180 Dark_Falcon

/…but which one is the ranking officer in the family?

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No Depression  Jul 18, 2015 • 8:28:55pm

re: #183 JadeHelmCurious

I messed up the link first time I posted it. It’s fixed now.

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Dark_Falcon  Jul 18, 2015 • 8:28:58pm

re: #184 SteveMcGaziBolaGate

/…but which one is the ranking officer in the family?

At home, the wife is always the ranking officer.

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SteveMcGaziBolaGate  Jul 18, 2015 • 8:29:17pm

re: #182 teleskiguy

Fuck Chicago and all the gun violence!
Fuck Dallas and all those rednecks!
Fuck Colorado Springs and all those religious fundamentalists!

See?

NO. What the fuck are you talking about?

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Belafon  Jul 18, 2015 • 8:29:34pm

re: #182 teleskiguy

Fuck Chicago and all the gun violence!
Fuck Dallas and all those rednecks!
Fuck Colorado Springs and all those religious fundamentalists!

See?

I wish rednecks were our only problem. It’s the wealthy people you should be cussing out.

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prairiefire  Jul 18, 2015 • 8:30:03pm

re: #178 teleskiguy

They’re quite house proud in Colorado Srings. Beautiful yards and homes all around.

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SteveMcGaziBolaGate  Jul 18, 2015 • 8:30:54pm

I just scrolled through the page to find prolifeliberal trashing your fair city. I didn’t find anything. What am I missing?

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The Vicious Babushka  Jul 18, 2015 • 8:35:06pm

Welp.

Being off Teh Internets today, I started reading Greg Iles “The Bone Tree” the second boat anchor of his 2400 page 1960’s Deep South Civil Rights trilogy.

It’s set in 2005. Two Thousand And Fucking Five, which makes it a historical novel, not a contemporary.

There are a ton of anachronisms in this book (which I am up to page 285)

Yayy print media!

Myspace=most “hip” place to be on The Internet

No mention of Facebook, Twitter or BARACK OBAMA. Because it’s 2005, y’all.

JKF assassination conspiracy. Like who the fuck care?

Other than that this book ROCKS.

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KiTA  Jul 18, 2015 • 8:38:29pm

Wow, this is news to me:

patheos.com

It wasn’t refusing to bake a wedding cake that earned Sweet Cakes By Melissa a $135,000 fine, it was the fact that the Christian bakers published the personal information of the lesbian couple requesting the cake, thus inviting fellow anti-gay Christians to attack and threaten the couple and their foster children.

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prairiefire  Jul 18, 2015 • 8:39:34pm

re: #191 The Vicious Babushka

Good, I’ll check it out.

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teleskiguy  Jul 18, 2015 • 8:40:34pm

I understand ProLifeLiberal’s experiences in Colorado Springs have made him bitter. I understand the fundamentalist religion yada yada yada. I seriously doubt that he’d say similar things he says about Colorado Springs to Alouette about Detroit.

He does this frequently. Makes blanket assertions about places and the people that inhabit those places. It’s ignorant and hateful.

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The War TARDIS  Jul 18, 2015 • 8:43:27pm

re: #190 SteveMcGaziBolaGate

I stated I was proud to survive the city that had the second Highest Suicide rate in the US.

Because it does.

1 person in my year committed suicide, when I was a sophmore. Someone in another year committed suicide before I graduated.

My sister went to 4 funerals for classmates that killed themselves while in High School.

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SteveMcGaziBolaGate  Jul 18, 2015 • 8:44:23pm

re: #194 teleskiguy

Where are all these bitter statements? One comment about the suicide rate is hardly a blanket statement.

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The War TARDIS  Jul 18, 2015 • 8:47:30pm

re: #194 teleskiguy

I like Detroit, even its darkest times, there is beauty to the city, all it needs is revitalization.

There are good people in the Springs, I will give you that.

However, it has left both me and my sister with a host of emotional problems.

She has trouble attaching to others, among other far darker issues, while I have paranoia problem that is hard to talk about, because my kind of paranoia doesn’t really come through online, but with personal conversations.

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The Vicious Babushka  Jul 18, 2015 • 8:47:34pm

re: #194 teleskiguy

I understand ProLifeLiberal’s experiences in Colorado Springs have made him bitter. I understand the fundamentalist religion yada yada yada. I seriously doubt that he’d say similar things he says about Colorado Springs to Alouette about Detroit.

He does this frequently. Makes blanket assertions about places and the people that inhabit those places. It’s ignorant and hateful.

Well a lot of people make blanket, stereotypical assertions about Detroit which I know are bullshit so I just ignore.

People who say HURR HURR TEH DEMOCRATS RUINED DETROIT!!!! never respond when I ask “What makes Detroit different from other DEMOCRAT-CONTROLLED cities that are successful?” Because ALL MAJOR CITIES are DEMOCRAT CONTROLLED not only Detroit.

They never answer, because the answer is too obvious.

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SteveMcGaziBolaGate  Jul 18, 2015 • 8:49:41pm

re: #197 The War TARDIS

If you think the location has anything to do with these problems, you are completely mistaken.

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The War TARDIS  Jul 18, 2015 • 8:52:38pm

It is a problem that is getting worse.

My hypothesis is that many people’s harsh views in the city can make life unbearable for those who are younger, especially for those who are not orthodox in terms of interests and beliefs versus the rest of the population.

This can include things such as sexuality, politics, and faith. However, there can be other things that oneself from others in terms of interest, and you can be looked down on for that.

The repressive attitudes at some of the churches towards dealing with issues in regards various situations in regards to mental health does not help.

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Charles Johnson  Jul 18, 2015 • 8:54:09pm

re: #197 The War TARDIS

You do understand that it’s not appropriate to post this kind of stuff at LGF, right? And that we’ve gone around this issue MANY times before? Because this is me, starting to feel like you’re disrespecting the community.

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Charles Johnson  Jul 18, 2015 • 8:54:52pm

Again.

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SteveMcGaziBolaGate  Jul 18, 2015 • 8:55:31pm

re: #200 The War TARDIS

THe things you describe are not unique to Colorado Springs, nor can you link them to the suicide rate.

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teleskiguy  Jul 18, 2015 • 8:56:24pm

re: #196 SteveMcGaziBolaGate

Where are all these bitter statements?

There’s plenty of comments by ProLifeLiberal about how awful the whole city of Colorado Springs is in the ether. Don’t have time to search.

My beef with ProLifeLiberal is his seething hatred of a city he hasn’t lived in for many years, and his condemnation of a place and people he probably knows next to nothing about. He portrays a place like Colorado Springs as the most intolerant hateful place that there ever was. Yes, there’s intolerance and bigotry in Colorado Springs, more than most places in Colorado. But he misses the big picture. It’s a city of a half million, with culture, arts, amazing recreation, and -yes- diversity.

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SteveMcGaziBolaGate  Jul 18, 2015 • 8:57:35pm

re: #200 The War TARDIS

Your cursory analysis of the situation does a disservice to yourself. Most other sentient beings will realize that you are bearing a grudge.

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The War TARDIS  Jul 18, 2015 • 8:57:39pm

Deleted. Not needed

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prairiefire  Jul 18, 2015 • 8:57:58pm

re: #200 The War TARDIS

Life is hard regardless of Geography. What matters is the strength to get past it. How many times did you register until you became a regular poster? Keep moving forward, PLL.

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The War TARDIS  Jul 18, 2015 • 8:58:52pm

re: #207 prairiefire

0.

Just once. Never had another name.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Jul 18, 2015 • 8:59:15pm

re: #177 No Depression

Looks like the group that released the Planned Parenthood video might have lied to the IRS:

Group Behind Planned Parenthood Sting Video May Have Tricked IRS, Donors

Color me not surprised.

Daleiden, O’Keefe, Chuck Johnson, Lila Rose, Ben Shapiro — the whole lot of them feel they are above the law and above basic human decency to achieve their goals.

But lying to the IRS is a gigantic miscalculation, because if the IRS takes an interest, their auditors will require all the financials of the organization and its officers for the last 10 years.

As a 501(c)(3), the group would have to file forms 990, which are public record. Has anyone found them yet?

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SteveMcGaziBolaGate  Jul 18, 2015 • 8:59:27pm

re: #204 teleskiguy

This is the first time I’ve seen it. I don’t think he/she is really a threat to the reputation of your city. He or she is only putting up a barrier to his or her understanding.

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The War TARDIS  Jul 18, 2015 • 8:59:31pm

re: #204 teleskiguy

I will drop it. But I will never like that city.

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SteveMcGaziBolaGate  Jul 18, 2015 • 9:00:47pm

re: #211 The War TARDIS

There is good everywhere, believe it or not. Do yourself a favor and challenge yourself to find it.

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teleskiguy  Jul 18, 2015 • 9:03:38pm

re: #210 SteveMcGaziBolaGate

It’s not my city, dude. Though it is my sister’s family’s city.

I’m just pointing out ProLifeLiberal’s twisted thinking. I’ve spent a lot of time in Colorado Springs, and yes, I take umbrage to people who say it’s like Krakow in 1943.

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teleskiguy  Jul 18, 2015 • 9:05:51pm

re: #211 The War TARDIS

But I will never like that city.

That’s too bad. There’s good people there. I’m sorry you couldn’t find happiness there. I wish you the best in the future.

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Chan Kobun  Jul 18, 2015 • 9:06:00pm

I’ve found out it’s important to give the people what they want:

View post in Miiverse.

Aaand apparently Miiverse posts won’t embed here. Eh, not a huge loss.

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The War TARDIS  Jul 18, 2015 • 9:10:22pm

I don’t suppose we could tell Boston to run away, can we?

For Olympic stadiums specifically, overruns “don’t happen every time, but it happens most of the time,” said sports economist Andrew Zimbalist, the author of Circus Maximus, a book critical of the “economic gamble” of hosting mega-events like the Olympics and World Cup.

This is especially pertinent in Boston, where there is already ample debate over the city’s efforts to host the 2024 Olympics. Bid organizers there insist they can produce the games on a budget, and they released an updated proposal last month for a $4.6 billion Olympic bid with a $1.2 billion stadium at its heart. (The stadium’s price has already nearly doubled from the initial bid proposal, though that first bid included some money to cover cost increases.) Organizers have also promised the games will not leave local taxpayers on the hook for cost overruns.

“It’s nice rhetoric,” said Zimbalist, who has publicly criticized the Boston bid and the promises of taxpayer protections. “The fact that they say it doesn’t mean they can do it.”

Boston organizers say they will have an insurance policy that protects taxpayers against cost increases, but per IOC requirements, they are still asking the city and state to guarantee the games will take place even if private financing falls short. The request could leave taxpayers vulnerable and has drawn opposition from various local grassroots organizations.

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No Depression  Jul 18, 2015 • 9:14:02pm

re: #209 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

I hope you’re right. There’s a part of me that thinks the IRS won’t do the right thing because they’re afraid of RWNJs shrieking that they’re “targeting” conservative organizations again.

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teleskiguy  Jul 18, 2015 • 9:14:44pm

Fuck, I totally Godwin’ed tonight! Excuse me while I take myself to the woodshed.

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Dark_Falcon  Jul 18, 2015 • 9:18:47pm

Reminder: John McCain refused an early release from prison camp

Donald Trump once again laned himself in hot water Saturday, this time when he questioned whether former Navy pilot and Sen. John McCain is a true war hero.

“I like people who weren’t captured,” he said.

It’s a good time to revisit the full story of McCain’s 5.5 years held captive and even tortured in North Vietnam, during which guards actually asked him if he wanted to leave early because he was an admiral’s son. Here’s how it went down when “The Cat,” the commander of the prison camps, offered him early release, according to a gripping Arizona Republic profile from 2007:

McCain realized that the Code of Conduct gave him no choice. [Everett] Alvarez, who was being held elsewhere, was supposed to be the first man released.

“I just knew it wasn’t the right thing to do,” he said. “I knew that they wouldn’t have offered it to me if I hadn’t been the son of an admiral.

“I just didn’t think it was the honorable thing to do.”…McCain calmly told The Cat that the prisoners must be released in the order they were captured, starting with Alvarez. [The Arizona Republic]

Reminder: You don’t have agree with John McCain or even like him to believe Donald Trump isn’t worthy to shine McCain’s shoes.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Jul 18, 2015 • 9:22:05pm

re: #217 No Depression

I hope you’re right. There’s a part of me that thinks the IRS won’t do the right thing because they’re afraid of RWNJs shrieking that they’re “targeting” conservative organizations again.

GuideStar reports that the organization’s 990 is not available. guidestar.org

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Dark_Falcon  Jul 18, 2015 • 9:23:08pm

re: #216 The War TARDIS

PLL, this one’s for you:

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De Kolta Chair  Jul 18, 2015 • 9:23:09pm

Later lizards. Highly recommended:

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The War TARDIS  Jul 18, 2015 • 9:24:19pm

re: #216 The War TARDIS

Doing research, the people of Boston seem smart.

A survey of 504 registered voters in the Boston area shows that 36 percent back the idea. That’s down from 44 percent support in February and 51 percent backing in January.

I know Tulsa yanked itself out of consideration of those Olympics.

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teleskiguy  Jul 18, 2015 • 9:28:47pm
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SteveMcGaziBolaGate  Jul 18, 2015 • 9:29:43pm

re: #224 teleskiguy

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It’s a damn shame Twitter doesn’t have karma ratings.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Jul 18, 2015 • 9:29:49pm

re: #223 The War TARDIS

Doing research, the people of Boston seem smart.

I know Tulsa yanked itself out of consideration of those Olympics.

The Olympic village in Beijing is largely disused now, though tourists still visit the Water Cube and the Birds Nest. Both of those see some use, but but not to the extent that they’re making the government any decent money. I suspect in another decade or two, they’ll be derelict or will be torn down for some other major project, once national pride in the ‘08 Olympics fades away.

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teleskiguy  Jul 18, 2015 • 9:31:13pm

re: #225 SteveMcGaziBolaGate

It’s a damn shame Twitter doesn’t have karma.

The karma system would be pretty awesome on Twitter. With a user base north of 300 million, eh, probably not possible.

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SteveMcGaziBolaGate  Jul 18, 2015 • 9:31:36pm

re: #226 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

You should see the abandoned Olympic Village in Athens.

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teleskiguy  Jul 18, 2015 • 9:32:11pm

re: #228 SteveMcGaziBolaGate

You should see the abandoned Olympic Village in Athens.

You should see Sochi today.

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Dark_Falcon  Jul 18, 2015 • 9:32:15pm

re: #227 teleskiguy

The karma system would be pretty awesome on Twitter. With a user base north of 300 million, eh, probably not possible.

No it would quickly degenerate into a mud-tossing contest, which would be won by the most fanatical.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Jul 18, 2015 • 9:34:02pm

BUSTED: Yes, John McCain hurt the USA, and here’s the proof

McCain shown here with a future PITA

By Not Charles C. Johnson, writing in the third person

getnwes.com is offering a $5,000 bounty for the tape of John McCain praising the N. Vietnamese doctors who probably saved his life, which totally makes him a traitor, or something else bad.

Why do we know that tape exists?

We know, in part, thanks to another person’s article about a UPI article about McCain speaking in a North Vietnamese radio broadcast 50 years ago. So, like, this information is very reliable, like the telephone game we played as kids. Family friends of Charles C. Johnson’s grandfather, who was himself a Rear Admiral so you have to trust Charles C. Johnson who wasn’t even ever a seaman, have also told Johnson (the younger one) that they heard those broadcasts when stationed abroad. Radio works that way, you know. Lots of people can hear the same thing at the same time.

Amazing.

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teleskiguy  Jul 18, 2015 • 9:34:18pm

re: #230 Dark_Falcon

No it would quickly degenerate into a mud-tossing contest, which would be won by the most fanatical.

Like I said, with a user base north of 300 million, any kind of user moderation will fail.

So it’s up to the gods at Twitter, right? They’ve been pretty good about keeping UpChuck off. But there’s a panoply of ugliness. So…

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Jul 18, 2015 • 9:35:22pm

re: #228 SteveMcGaziBolaGate

You should see the abandoned Olympic Village in Athens.

I can imagine. I saw a Bloomberg report about the now-abandoned Olympic airport. Not exactly the Acropolis.

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teleskiguy  Jul 18, 2015 • 9:36:55pm

re: #231 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

YES!

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Dark_Falcon  Jul 18, 2015 • 9:38:03pm

re: #233 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

I can imagine. I saw a Bloomberg report about the now-abandoned Olympic airport. Not exactly the Acropolis.

Athens didn’t push for the 2004 Olympics, its worth remembering: Athens got it because because it had always been the intent to hold the 25th modern Olympiad there. The city wasn’t really up for the challenge.

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bratwurst  Jul 18, 2015 • 9:40:56pm

Weak sauce alert:

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The War TARDIS  Jul 18, 2015 • 9:43:05pm

re: #229 teleskiguy

Sochi was “revitalized” as a Potemkin village though. People knew what was going to happen.

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Chan Kobun  Jul 18, 2015 • 9:43:43pm

re: #231 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

That link in the article doesn’t go anywhere.

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teleskiguy  Jul 18, 2015 • 9:44:23pm

re: #238 Chan Kobun

Huh. I’m okay.

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The War TARDIS  Jul 18, 2015 • 9:45:50pm

re: #237 The War TARDIS

Not to mention, it was Circassian Muslim in character until the 1840’s and 1850’s, when the Russian murder those people, and ethnically cleansed them.

I do get frustrated with Muslims holding up Russia in regards to treatment of Muslims. Muslims in Russia have never been treated well, and with Russia’s continuing economic issues, they will be persecuted again soon.

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Chan Kobun  Jul 18, 2015 • 9:46:58pm

re: #239 teleskiguy

The internal one. It’s misspelled. Not the one at the top, over the image.

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jaunte  Jul 18, 2015 • 9:50:24pm

re: #236 bratwurst

Attkisson is really standing on her head to pretend Trump’s words didn’t contain the meaning Trump was expressing.

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teleskiguy  Jul 18, 2015 • 9:50:43pm

re: #241 Chan Kobun

Well that’s a little vague.

Seriously, I see nothing wrong with the page.

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Chan Kobun  Jul 18, 2015 • 9:52:17pm

re: #243 teleskiguy

In the comment here,, not the page. GEEZ.

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teleskiguy  Jul 18, 2015 • 9:58:14pm

re: #244 Chan Kobun

Semantics. teleskiguy doesn’t like semantics.

SHIT! There’s that third person shit that The Mulai has instilled in me tonight. For fuck’s sake!

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teleskiguy  Jul 18, 2015 • 10:00:24pm

re: #244 Chan Kobun

Perhaps be more specific.

Hey wheatdogg, the link in your comment says getnews dot com, I believe it should say gotnwes.com

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The War TARDIS  Jul 18, 2015 • 10:03:16pm

Memo to the NY Time.

Make sure your picture doesn’t overshadow the story.

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teleskiguy  Jul 18, 2015 • 10:06:27pm

Oh, and Charles, the Rick Perry tweet you posted on your Donald Trump post today shows up twice.

Semantics, teleskiguy ain’t about that shit, but sometimes the shit has to be perfect, goddamnit!

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Jul 18, 2015 • 10:07:05pm

re: #238 Chan Kobun

That link in the article doesn’t go anywhere.

click the headline. I goofed on the other.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Jul 18, 2015 • 10:09:03pm

re: #246 teleskiguy

Yeah, fixed. Needz moar cawfee

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sagehen  Jul 18, 2015 • 10:09:59pm

re: #229 teleskiguy

You should see Sochi today.

Can I point out that Los Angeles did an *awesome* job with their 1984 Olympics, turned a profit, and still gets good use out of the (already existing) venues.

They used the Forum (where the Lakers did and still do play), the Coliseum (originally built for the 1932 games, needed very little updating, USC still plays there), Santa Anita racetrack, UCLA facilities for swimming, gymnastics, (university dorms were a perfect athlete’s village), the Convention Center, the Rose Bowl, Dodger Stadium, Marina Del Rey was perfect for sailing, etc etc etc.

Los Angeles should really put in to have it again, now there’s transportation.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Jul 18, 2015 • 10:11:32pm

re: #251 sagehen

Can I point out that Los Angeles did an *awesome* job with their 1984 Olympics, turned a profit, and still gets good use out of the (already existing) venues.

They used the Forum (where the Lakers did and still do play), the Coliseum (originally built for the 1932 games, needed very little updating, USC still plays there), Santa Anita racetrack, UCLA facilities for swimming, gymnastics, (university dorms were a perfect athlete’s village), Marina Del Rey was perfect for sailing, etc etc etc.

Los Angeles should really put in to have it again, now there’s transportation.

If everyone coming brings at least one gallon of water

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VegasGolfer  Jul 18, 2015 • 10:13:20pm

Video

two of my favorites.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Jul 18, 2015 • 10:20:18pm

Tony Zhou, who did this analysis of Chuck Jones’ cartoon genius, has many other videos about film making and film makers. His analysis of Kurosawa’s way of using motion is worth watching, even if you’re not familiar with Kurosawa’s work.

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teleskiguy  Jul 18, 2015 • 10:25:04pm

re: #251 sagehen

I don’t know what it is. This is a personal confession, lizards. I don’t know what it is but I’ve been reading a lot of stuff and looking at a lot of detailed maps of Los Angeles and the surrounding areas (Inland Empire, Orange County, Santa Barbara). That city - with the perfect climate and completely sprawled out design, and the beaches and the cool breezes at night - that has been there, done that and the bag of chips on a world scale and still be that fuckin’ laid back?

I visited L.A. when I was seven years old, on vacation with my mom, dad, and all of their kids (me, my younger sister, and two older sisters from previous marriages).

I did put a picture of my sister and I on the beach on the internet from that summer.

We went to Disneyland. We went to Universal Studios. We saw the Hollywood sign. And my favorite memory of the whole damn thing (and we did this more than any other activity during that hectic week in July 1989) we went to the beach and I and the rest of my family swam in the ocean.

I can count how many times in my entire life that I swam in the ocean on my fingers.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Jul 18, 2015 • 10:27:36pm

re: #255 teleskiguy

I have visited LA once, fell in the love with it, and wish I made enough money or had a cushy job there, so I could retire in LA.

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Dark_Falcon  Jul 18, 2015 • 10:27:49pm

War is Boring got something of shock when they used Matrix Games Command: Modern Air/Naval Operations , which is a hyper detailed a major advance over the Harpoon-era simulations, to play out a fight between four RAF F-35Bs and 4 Russian Sukhoi Su-35Ss. Do the F-35s get slaughtered? No, they don’t. In fact, the sim was run many times and almost all of them had Her Majesty’s Air Force “hitting the bear for six” (to use an expression from cricket):

End result
SIDE: United Kingdom
LOSSES:
Nil
EXPENDITURES:
12 Meteors — — — — — — — — —

SIDE: Red Air LOSSES: Four Su-35S Flankers EXPENDITURES: Two AA-12 Adder A [R-77, RVV-AE] Nine Generic Chaff Salvo [four Cartridges]

Read the story here. It makes clear that while the Su-35s may hold the edge in a dogfight, in a rane battle the JSF will be able to do much better than hold its own.

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BeachDem  Jul 18, 2015 • 10:46:08pm

re: #191 The Vicious Babushka

Welp.

Being off Teh Internets today, I started reading Greg Iles “The Bone Tree” the second boat anchor of his 2400 page 1960’s Deep South Civil Rights trilogy.

It’s set in 2005. Two Thousand And Fucking Five, which makes it a historical novel, not a contemporary.

There are a ton of anachronisms in this book (which I am up to page 285)

Yayy print media!

Myspace=most “hip” place to be on The Internet

No mention of Facebook, Twitter or BARACK OBAMA. Because it’s 2005, y’all.

JKF assassination conspiracy. Like who the fuck care?

Other than that this book ROCKS.

I finished it a few weeks ago—it was a long-ass book. I thought it was the final one in the series but I was wrong—there’s another to come.

If you’re only on page 285, there is a LOT yet to happen!

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BeachDem  Jul 18, 2015 • 10:56:29pm

re: #236 bratwurst

Weak sauce alert:

[Embedded content]

It just figures that Trump, who has been dissing everyone left and right all week, would come out in favor and praise of Sharyl “I don’t know how computers work” attkisson.

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William Lewis  Jul 18, 2015 • 11:03:52pm

re: #257 Dark_Falcon

Tom Clancy fallacy : the presumption that high tech weapons will work every time and as well as the contractor claims they will.

There are several hilarious moments in his corpus due to this fallacy.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Jul 19, 2015 • 12:05:00am

re: #260 William Lewis

Tom Clancy fallacy : the presumption that high tech weapons will work every time and as well as the contractor claims they will.

There are several hilarious moments in his corpus due to this fallacy.

Isn’t that the same fallacy that Congressional defense committee members share?

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teleskiguy  Jul 19, 2015 • 12:32:33am

Some Chuck C. Johnson shit.

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Timothy Watson  Jul 19, 2015 • 2:22:49am

re: #260 William Lewis

Tom Clancy fallacy : the presumption that high tech weapons will work every time and as well as the contractor claims they will.

There are several hilarious moments in his corpus due to this fallacy.

Yeah, pretty much every weapon/defense systems he showcased in his books ended up being canceled. SDI, the RAH-66 Comanche, ballistic missile defense, etc.

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dell*nix  Jul 19, 2015 • 2:28:02am

And in the news from Austin. rawstory.com Keep your snake properly secured.

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Jul 19, 2015 • 3:05:34am

There has to be more to the Trump lunacy streak than meets the eyes. Is he simply wearing out the extreme right like at the start of the campaign so that they are exhausted for the primaries and elections like you run around all day with a three-year-old so they will have a nap?

Is he there to distract from something nasty going on?

I am clueless, but this is too absurd not to be orchestrated.

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Feline Fearless Leader  Jul 19, 2015 • 3:51:57am

Good morning Lizards.

Convention going completed last night. A very good three days since I got to make new friends and also get back in touch with a lot of old ones that I had not seen in 2-4 years.

Turning my sights to tourist activities now. Today’s goals are the Udvar-Hazy Center and then the Manassas Battlefield Park. The latter will probably be during a hot afternoon, but I did buy and stock a case of water for my car in advance.

Need to go get breakfast and then also pack up to switch hotels.

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jamesfirecat  Jul 19, 2015 • 5:05:48am

re: #257 Dark_Falcon

War is Boring got something of shock when they used Matrix Games Command: Modern Air/Naval Operations , which is a hyper detailed a major advance over the Harpoon-era simulations, to play out a fight between four RAF F-35Bs and 4 Russian Sukhoi Su-35Ss. Do the F-35s get slaughtered? No, they don’t. In fact, the sim was run many times and almost all of them had Her Majesty’s Air Force “hitting the bear for six” (to use an expression from cricket):

End result
SIDE: United Kingdom
LOSSES:
Nil
EXPENDITURES:
12 Meteors — — — — — — — — —

SIDE: Red Air LOSSES: Four Su-35S Flankers EXPENDITURES: Two AA-12 Adder A [R-77, RVV-AE] Nine Generic Chaff Salvo [four Cartridges]

Read the story here. It makes clear that while the Su-35s may hold the edge in a dogfight, in a rane battle the JSF will be able to do much better than hold its own.

Do we even have an actual F-35 to test? I.thought they were still briefing designed/redesigned (again).

In my opinion the F-35 is the Air Force equivalent of the Bradley AFV (and for almost the exact same reason, inability to decide on being fish or fowl) and if you do not understad why that is a bad thing, go watch/read “The Pentagon Wars” except this time it is “Trillion, with a ‘T’”

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Romantic Heretic  Jul 19, 2015 • 5:37:39am

re: #260 William Lewis

Tom Clancy fallacy : the presumption that high tech weapons will work every time and as well as the contractor claims they will.

There are several hilarious moments in his corpus due to this fallacy.

My favourite was when that carrier task force got clobbered in Red Storm Rising.

The Soviets had pulled a ‘look at my thumb maneuver’ getting the task force’s air cover completely out of position. The result was close to two dozen supersonic cruise missiles got close enough to do damage.

Two of those missiles targeted the carrier a main character was on. They approached on identical threat vector. The CIWS that was supposed should them down couldn’t make up its mind and decided it wasn’t going to shoot either of them.

BOOM!

I laughed. I was a computer programmer at the time and it was such an obvious mistake and so likely to happen.

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Jul 19, 2015 • 5:41:55am

re: #260 William Lewis

Tom Clancy fallacy : the presumption that high tech weapons will work every time and as well as the contractor claims they will.

There are several hilarious moments in his corpus due to this fallacy.

Ronald Reagan fallacy: the notion that the more America spends on defense, the better defended our nation will be

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Romantic Heretic  Jul 19, 2015 • 5:42:10am

re: #267 jamesfirecat

Do we even have an actual F-35 to test? I.thought they were still briefing designed/redesigned (again).

In my opinion the F-35 is the Air Force equivalent of the Bradley AFV (and for almost the exact same reason, inability to decide on being fish or fowl) and if you do not understad why that is a bad thing, go watch/read “The Pentagon Wars” except this time it is “Trillion, with a ‘T’”

That’s because, more than any other nation (which all do it), weapons manufacturing is a way to create jobs and a way to transfer taxpayer’s money to private corporations. Working, effective weapons is pretty much a secondary consideration.

As the rest of the world’s militaries put it, “In the US there is enough graft for everybody.”

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Jul 19, 2015 • 5:51:26am

re: #270 Romantic Heretic

That’s because, more than any other nation (which all do it), weapons manufacturing is a way to create jobs and a way to transfer taxpayer’s money to private corporations.

And it was a Republican President (Dwight D Eisenhower) who warned us against it.

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wrenchwench  Jul 19, 2015 • 6:26:22am
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7-y (Expectation of Great Things in Due Course)  Jul 19, 2015 • 6:36:46am

re: #68 HappyWarrior

You and me both. I’m proud to be of Irish heritage- wonderful music, culture, people, drink but I do not think myself supreme because of being white and Irish.

Hmm. Maybe someone with Photoshop skills should make us up a Celtic Rainbow Drop Cross?

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Ian G.  Jul 19, 2015 • 6:38:47am

Not sure if this was covered here, given the latest drivel from The Donald, but:

timesofisrael.com

This apparently has many of the usual suspects in hysterics, including Pam Geller, of course. Her Facebook post on this just says “conquered”. Right, because a country that was just “conquered” by jihadists would be one that just legalized gay marriage everywhere.

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Eventual Carrion  Jul 19, 2015 • 6:44:54am

re: #119 Backwoods_Sleuth

Almost all of my furry companions have been special needs (usually elderly dogs the last couple of decades) rescues.
[snip]

I’m a little late to this one but reminds me I hadn’t passed on the news here. I had mentioned a while back that we are foster parents for animals from our local no-kill shelter. We have had Maurice (Mo Mo) for almost 2 years and he got adopted 2 weeks ago. He should be in heaven because the women that adopted him has 2 female cats (everyone is fixed). He was always a real ladies cat.

This past Friday we picked up another. A female this time. She had shown up at the shelter pregnant and scared. She had her kittens (5 of them, all but 1 has been adopted). She was afraid of all the other cats and spent most of her time just sitting at the back of her cage, only coming out to use the litterbox and eat. So far this weekend she has been getting more comfortable with the house, even venturing upstairs last night. She seems to have taken a liking to our 15 yo son so things are going well in her new temporary home.

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The Vicious Babushka  Jul 19, 2015 • 6:46:06am

re: #258 BeachDem

I finished it a few weeks ago—it was a long-ass book. I thought it was the final one in the series but I was wrong—there’s another to come.

If you’re only on page 285, there is a LOT yet to happen!

It’s a 3D chess game for sure.

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The Vicious Babushka  Jul 19, 2015 • 6:49:38am

re: #272 wrenchwench

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HURR HURR FREDERICK DOUGLASS WAS A REPUBLICAN!!!!! SUCK ON THAT LIBTARD!!!!!!

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darthstar  Jul 19, 2015 • 6:53:35am
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darthstar  Jul 19, 2015 • 6:59:47am

That’ll make you blow out the back of your wetsuit.

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JadeHelmCurious  Jul 19, 2015 • 7:02:11am

Chuckles is ON IT:The reason McCain strenuously opposed releasing documentation about POWs in Vietnam is that he was worried about his own background being revealed.

Meanwhile:

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Dark_Falcon  Jul 19, 2015 • 7:02:53am

re: #267 jamesfirecat

Do we even have an actual F-35 to test? I.thought they were still briefing designed/redesigned (again).

In my opinion the F-35 is the Air Force equivalent of the Bradley AFV (and for almost the exact same reason, inability to decide on being fish or fowl) and if you do not understad why that is a bad thing, go watch/read “The Pentagon Wars” except this time it is “Trillion, with a ‘T’”

No, they’re in low-rate production now. And as for the comparisons to the Bradley, do remember that the Bradley ended up being highly effective at killing the Soviet-built BMPs that were its designed foes.

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Dark_Falcon  Jul 19, 2015 • 7:05:06am

re: #279 darthstar

That’ll make you blow out the back of your wetsuit.

Also known as “a Chucky C. at sea”.

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electrotek  Jul 19, 2015 • 7:11:13am

These are the now the vanguards of Australian culture /facepalm

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electrotek  Jul 19, 2015 • 7:13:44am

Uh what link is there between Australia and Crusader culture by these nitwits?

And these are the same fuckwits that start crying when they are forever linked to the rants and actions of Anders Breivik.

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darthstar  Jul 19, 2015 • 7:14:09am

re: #283 electrotek

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These are the now the vanguards of Australian culture /facepalm

The three Bs are important for young minds and bodies.

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darthstar  Jul 19, 2015 • 7:17:59am

Ah, the Oatmeal…

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Dark_Falcon  Jul 19, 2015 • 7:20:48am

re: #284 electrotek

Uh what link is there between Australia and Crusader culture by these nitwits?

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And these are the same fuckwits that start crying when they are forever linked to the rants and actions of Anders Breivik.

That’s not a crusader costume. The Greek-style helmet and the round shield with an ‘L’ painted on its front make clear those two are posing as Spartan hoplites, not as Crusader knights.

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Eventual Carrion  Jul 19, 2015 • 7:24:09am

re: #278 darthstar

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I’d have to change my swimsuit.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Jul 19, 2015 • 7:25:47am

re: #287 Dark_Falcon

That’s not a crusader costume. The Greek-style helmet and the round shield with an ‘L’ painted on its front make clear those two are posing as Spartan hoplites, not as Crusader knights.

♪ ♫ Look for the moron label ♪ ♫

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darthstar  Jul 19, 2015 • 7:26:50am

I used to love a good beer bong when I was younger…

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electrotek  Jul 19, 2015 • 7:28:04am

re: #287 Dark_Falcon

That’s not a crusader costume. The Greek-style helmet and the round shield with an ‘L’ painted on its front make clear those two are posing as Spartan hoplites, not as Crusader knights.

Ah thanks for the heads up! Wonder if these participants are aware of that?

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ObserverArt  Jul 19, 2015 • 7:37:58am

Morning!

Watching the local NBC politics show and of course they had to get into the Planned Parenthood crap so they could show Ohio Attorney General Mike DeWine go after one of his favorite political footballs…abortion.

He say when he saw that video he was absolutely shocked and disgusted.

Hmmm. I don’t seem to remember the little bastard being as shocked and disgusted by the young man getting shot in the WalMart in Dayton, Tamir Rice getting gunned down by cops in a park or Malissa Williams, and Timothy Russell getting blasted by the over 137 shots by the Cleveland cops that chased them because they mistook their car back firing for a gun shot.

I hate the little asshole. Fucking career politician, been on the public grift his whole life.

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darthstar  Jul 19, 2015 • 7:43:00am

re: #278 darthstar
Okay…it wasn’t an ‘attack’…it just got caught in his ankle leash as it was checking him out.

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Dark_Falcon  Jul 19, 2015 • 7:45:15am

re: #291 electrotek

Ah thanks for the heads up! Wonder if these participants are aware of that?

They probably are, and are depicting themselves as members of The 300, standing against the despot-led foreign horde. They likely have never been told that the Spartans were far worse in their treatment of the peasants than Xerxes ever was.

But most white people in Anglosphere nations do not identify with peasants, they identify with yeoman farmers who owned their own land. But to correct represent those people, these guys would have to display Theban insignia or else build a replica of a Greek trireme and place on its bow a bust of Pallas Athena. For the Spartan ‘Equals’ had no job except war, while farmer-soldiers formed the phalanxes of Athens and Thebes.

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BeachDem  Jul 19, 2015 • 7:45:23am

re: #292 ObserverArt

Right there with you, hating Mike DeWine. Still haven’t gotten over the bullshit he pulled about the John Crawford shooting —-Walmart/ Beavercreek (hard to keep all the atrocities straight, isn’t it?) The only Ohio pol who I hate more (and he’s a former) is Ken Blackwell.

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darthstar  Jul 19, 2015 • 7:48:00am
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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Jul 19, 2015 • 7:52:39am

re: #294 Dark_Falcon

They probably are, and are depicting themselves as members of The 300, standing against the despot-led foreign horde. They likely have never been told that the Spartans were far worse in their treatment of the peasants than Xerxes ever was.

But most white people in Anglosphere nations do not identify with peasants, they identify with yeoman farmers who owned their own land. But to correct represent those people, these guys would have to display Theban insignia or else build a replica of a Greek trireme and place on its bow a bust of Pallas Athena. For the Spartan ‘Equals’ had no job except war, while farmer-soldiers formed the phalanxes of Athens and Thebes.

The Spartans had their own version of slavery, with the elite living on the labors of the working class. And they tested their boys for service in the army by putting them out in the wilderness with nothing at all. Those that managed not to die or get killed by wild animals on the way back home were considered fit for service.

Plus, you had to serve in the army until you were 30. Then you could participate in the governance of Sparta.

Most of these yokels sporting Molon Labe would not have survived childhood in Sparta, much less service in the Spartan infantry.

Oh, yeah. Babies that were deformed or deemed unfit were left out in the wilderness for the animals to eat. I wonder how the pro-lifers would feel about that aspect of Spartan society.

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darthstar  Jul 19, 2015 • 7:52:51am
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PhillyPretzel  Jul 19, 2015 • 7:53:45am

re: #290 darthstar

Can’t he do that in his house? That bear is a bit too close.

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darthstar  Jul 19, 2015 • 8:00:55am
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Blind Frog Belly White  Jul 19, 2015 • 8:02:01am

re: #297 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

The Spartans had their own version of slavery, with the elite living on the labors of the working class. And they tested their boys for service in the army by putting them out in the wilderness with nothing at all. Those that managed not to die or get killed by wild animals on the way back home were considered fit for service.

Plus, you had to serve in the army until you were 30. Then you could participate in the governance of Sparta.

Most of these yokels sporting Molon Labe would not have survived childhood in Sparta, much less service in the Spartan infantry.

Oh, yeah. Babies that were deformed or deemed unfit were left out in the wilderness for the animals to eat. I wonder how the pro-lifers would feel about that aspect of Spartan society.

Yeah, but those babies were already born, at which point the Right loses any interest.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jul 19, 2015 • 8:04:10am

re: #287 Dark_Falcon

That’s not a crusader costume. The Greek-style helmet and the round shield with an ‘L’ painted on its front make clear those two are posing as Spartan hoplites, not as Crusader knights.

Of course. Nothing says “small government” or “private enterprise” like Sparta!

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Jul 19, 2015 • 8:05:28am

re: #301 Blind Frog Belly White

Yeah, but those babies were already born, at which point the Right loses any interest.

Well, true.

I’m pretty sure I would not have lived past childhood were I a Spartan male. I was a scrawny kid with poor eyesight.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jul 19, 2015 • 8:09:02am

re: #302 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

Late to the party—that’s what I get for going to make coffee.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Jul 19, 2015 • 8:10:08am

re: #304 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

Late to the party—that’s what I get for going to make coffee.

I take mine black, thanks. Didja get donuts?

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Dark_Falcon  Jul 19, 2015 • 8:11:31am

re: #300 darthstar

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darthstar  Jul 19, 2015 • 8:15:55am

re: #306 Dark_Falcon

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Funny…but that’s no proper southern lady…that’s just pure dipshit bigot.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jul 19, 2015 • 8:17:20am

Jesus, will you look at the shirt that woman is wearing?

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Targetpractice  Jul 19, 2015 • 8:18:39am

re: #308 Blind Frog Belly White

Jesus, will you look at the shirt that woman is wearing?

They’re not even trying to hide it anymore.

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Dark_Falcon  Jul 19, 2015 • 8:19:46am

re: #302 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

Of course. Nothing says “small government” or “private enterprise” like Sparta!

Well, to be fair these are Aussies, not Yankees or Rebels, so the coalition politics may be different Down Under. Moreover, remember that those making that sort of “warrior display” are normally part of “the right” but they may not be from the ‘Buckleyian’ part of it. William F. Buckley’s fusion of free market economics and strong national security policies dominates the US Republican party, but there are other types of right-wingers who are more militaristic and less supportive of economic freedom.

We don’t see those other types of right-wing people very other in the US, though the swastika that woman in #300 (irony) is wearing marks her as one of those other types. The Nazis were far-right, but they were not fans of the free market.

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Romantic Heretic  Jul 19, 2015 • 8:21:13am

re: #294 Dark_Falcon

If you really want to make their heads explode tell them about the Theban Sacred Band.

An elite military unit consisting of 150 gay married couples? POP!

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jamesfirecat  Jul 19, 2015 • 8:21:16am

re: #281 Dark_Falcon

No, they’re in low-rate production now. And as for the comparisons to the Bradley, do remember that the Bradley ended up being highly effective at killing the Soviet-built BMPs that were its designed foes.

Is it supposed to be a tank, or is it supposed to be an APC? Because you measure the effectiveness of an APC in getting large numbers troops where they need to be, not in how many kills they score.

APC’s don’t have “foes” they might have “counterparts” or “equivalents” but the goal of an APC is not to knock out enemy APCs.

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Romantic Heretic  Jul 19, 2015 • 8:23:39am

re: #301 Blind Frog Belly White

Yeah, but those babies were already born, at which point the Right loses any interest.

Especially since they aren’t fit for military service.

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Dark_Falcon  Jul 19, 2015 • 8:23:41am

re: #307 darthstar

Funny…but that’s no proper southern lady…that’s just pure dipshit bigot.

Don’t I know it. And I’m glad to see a photo of fascists like her getting called out as the scum they are.

I Hate South Carolina Nazis!

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Eric The Fruit Bat  Jul 19, 2015 • 8:24:17am

re: #43 Backwoods_Sleuth

I remember tweeting to Islamaphobic actor Bruce Boxleitner that there will be more deaths this weekend due to drunk driving than to the Chattonogah shooting.

I hate it when I’m right.

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ObserverArt  Jul 19, 2015 • 8:25:48am

Heh. Yeah, I’m watching a bit of Meet the Chuck while applying finish coating on my staircase project. Had to jump in and mention this.

So, they are discussing what to do about that big GOP elephant in the room The Donald™ and the panel has former Governor Bill Richardson and Danielle Pletka of the American Enterprise Institute. Richardson says the Republican party didn’t collectively condemn Trump when he called Mexican rapists, etc. Pletka said he was wrong, they did condemn it.

RIchardson fired back Ted Cruz didn’t and just as Todd was shifting to allow Tom Friedman to comment you could hear Pletka lean over and say to Richardson “mainstream Republicans” in an obvious reference to Cruz being not so well loved by established Republicans and even groups like Danielle Pletka’s American Enterprise Institute.

And that is why I had to watch. Trump is making ALL politics fun this year as he steps on just about everything and everyone.

And then Todd trying to be self-aware says “aren’t we (TV and Media) making this happen aren’t we part of the problem” and Tom Friedman says that is what happens when you make politics sports and called it PSPN…Politcal Sports Programming Network.

So, so rich…

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Eventual Carrion  Jul 19, 2015 • 8:26:01am

re: #308 Blind Frog Belly White

Jesus, will you look at the shirt that woman is wearing?

Heil America

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Dark_Falcon  Jul 19, 2015 • 8:26:11am

re: #311 Romantic Heretic

If you really want to make their heads explode tell them about the Theban Sacred Band.

An elite military unit consisting of 150 gay married couples? POP!

Yes, but then someone has to clean up the exploded wingnut brains. Eww.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Jul 19, 2015 • 8:27:50am

re: #311 Romantic Heretic

If you really want to make their heads explode tell them about the Theban Sacred Band.

An elite military unit consisting of 150 gay married couples? POP!

The Greeks were a lot more open about male-male bonding, especially between adolescents and older men, but there is some disagreement about how sexual those relations were.

Spartan women were also not to be trifled with. They didn’t get military training like the boys, but Spartan girls (of the upper classes) were expected to be physically fit and able to fight if they had to.

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Great White Snark  Jul 19, 2015 • 8:28:02am

Ah quiet Sunday morning after rare thunderstorms here in LA. How goes the Lizard Nation today?

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Dark_Falcon  Jul 19, 2015 • 8:29:18am

re: #312 jamesfirecat

Is it supposed to be a tank, or is it supposed to be an APC? Because you measure the effectiveness of an APC in getting large numbers troops where they need to be, not in how many kills they score.

APC’s don’t have “foes” they might have “counterparts” or “equivalents” but the goal of an APC is not to knock out enemy APCs.

BMPs and M2 Bradleys are neither tanks nor APCS; They are Infantry Fighting Vehicles (IFVs). They trade infantry-carrying cargo space for much heavier armament, including Anti-Tank Guided Missiles (ATGMs).

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Targetpractice  Jul 19, 2015 • 8:31:52am

re: #316 ObserverArt

They really have no clue what to do with The Donald. If he was a low-tier candidate, barely polling at all, they could ignore him and exclude him from the debates. But the guy’s leading the polls, he’s got very vocal supporters in the party base, and he’s got the money to go the distance without kissing any ass. And that’s what has got the GOP establishment in a total mess, because there’s no easy way to turn off the valve anymore, not when you’ve got a self-financed campaign that is wildly popular with the people who you can’t afford to have sit home on Election Day.

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darthstar  Jul 19, 2015 • 8:32:16am
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Eventual Carrion  Jul 19, 2015 • 8:35:12am

re: #322 Targetpractice

They really have no clue what to do with The Donald. If he was a low-tier candidate, barely polling at all, they could ignore him and exclude him from the debates. But the guy’s leading the polls, he’s got very vocal supporters in the party base, and he’s got the money to go the distance without kissing any ass. And that’s what has got the GOP establishment in a total mess, because there’s no easy way to turn off the valve anymore, not when you’ve got a self-financed campaign that is wildly popular with the people who you can’t afford to have sit home on Election Day.

Doktor Frankenstein knows the troubles they face.

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jamesfirecat  Jul 19, 2015 • 8:36:01am

re: #321 Dark_Falcon

BMPs and M2 Bradleys are neither tanks nor APCS; They are Infantry Fighting Vehicles (IFVs). They trade infantry-carrying cargo space for much heavier armament, including Anti-Tank Guided Missiles (ATGMs).

Which leads me to repeat my worry that in the name of flexibility you wind up with a creature that is neither fish nor fowl.

The problem with the F-35 as I see it, that I can’t figure out what it’s operational role is supposed to be. Is it for shooting down enemy planes/dog fighting? Isn’t that what we already have the F-22 for?

Is it for ground attack? Isn’t that what we already have the A-10 for?

What role in our combat doctrine is this thing supposed to serve that isn’t already being handled by another air craft?

If it’s supposed to do fill a role less well by being cheaper, well that ship is pretty much already sunk by all the money we invested in developing it, and didn’t we phase out that approach to a tactical doctrine with the Sherman Tank?

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SteveMcGaziBolaGate  Jul 19, 2015 • 8:36:02am

re: #312 jamesfirecat

Don’t get wrapped up in semantics.

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darthstar  Jul 19, 2015 • 8:38:25am
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jamesfirecat  Jul 19, 2015 • 8:39:53am

re: #326 SteveMcGaziBolaGate

Don’t get wrapped up in semantics.

It’s not semantics, it’s an important point, you need to keep in mind what is supposed to be a military vehicle’s primary function, then grade it on how well it preforms that function. Secondary side benefits are nice, but we aren’t building Bradleys (Bradleies?) for the purpose of going toe to toe with their soviet opposite number, it’s to get our troops where they need to be in one piece.

In short, there’s a reason why the army switched from the Bradley to the MRAP.

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SteveMcGaziBolaGate  Jul 19, 2015 • 8:42:35am

re: #328 jamesfirecat

I’m sorry, I must have missed the battles where the Bradleys did not get the troops to the site of the battle.

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Dark_Falcon  Jul 19, 2015 • 8:43:18am

re: #325 jamesfirecat

Which leads me to repeat my worry that in the name of flexibility you wind up with a creature that is neither fish nor fowl.

The problem with the F-35 as I see it, that I can’t figure out what it’s operational role is supposed to be. Is it for shooting down enemy planes/dog fighting? Isn’t that what we already have the F-22 for?

Is it for ground attack? Isn’t that what we already have the A-10 for?

What role in our combat doctrine is this thing supposed to serve that isn’t already being handled by another air craft?

If it’s supposed to do fill a role less well by being cheaper, well that ship is pretty much already sunk by all the money we invested in developing it, and didn’t we phase out that approach to a tactical doctrine with the Sherman Tank?

Except that the Air force hates having to operate the A-10 and wants to relegate close air support (CAS) to drops of smart bombs, which isn’t enough. The use of fast-movers like the F-35 for CAS is folly, but its impossible to convince the men who fly the fast moving fighters that there needs to be not as many such jets a they’d like so that the Army can be supported. They don’t care that much about what ahppens to ground pounders as long as their own fifes stay unmolested.

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Great White Snark  Jul 19, 2015 • 8:46:07am

re: #325 jamesfirecat

Multirole goes back to heavy fighter bombers of WW2.
You might recall the surprise and glee at the Pentagon and our allies equivalents when they made multirole jet fighters by accident? the F-16 and F-15? In the Osirak raid the CAP was F-15, the hitters were all F-16 the lighter “less capable” plane in design. Multirole/multiservice a frightfully seductive concept at the budget/logistics level.

I’m NOT saying the F-35 is a great plane. I’m pointing out the fact multirole has been done before so it seems a natural to try to repeat that success. It’s just harder than they imagined. One frame for 3 services was a budgeteers fantasy. Experienced fighters and developers knew better. Now the developers are excoriated for a best effort at a fantasy to save money.

OTOH it seems nearly every new plane or weapon system is the “worst ever” at some point in development. Some of those became military superstars in performance. M1 Abrams. The whole precision JDAM concept. F-15. F-16.

Without denying any of the F-22/F-35 issues, I for one would not be shocked to see either plane utterly kick ass at some point.

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ObserverArt  Jul 19, 2015 • 8:48:08am

re: #322 Targetpractice

They really have no clue what to do with The Donald. If he was a low-tier candidate, barely polling at all, they could ignore him and exclude him from the debates. But the guy’s leading the polls, he’s got very vocal supporters in the party base, and he’s got the money to go the distance without kissing any ass. And that’s what has got the GOP establishment in a total mess, because there’s no easy way to turn off the valve anymore, not when you’ve got a self-financed campaign that is wildly popular with the people who you can’t afford to have sit home on Election Day.

There was some talk on MTP where there might be some discussion in the background at the RNC of the other candidates refusing to go on the debate stage with The Donald™.

Even that would be to Trump’s advantage where he could call them all chickens for not debating him…they’re so-called politicians and they are scared of a non-politician that speaks “The Truth (According to The Trump).”

Maybe the RNC can just hand The Donald™ their entire war chest and round up some rather sizable checks from the big money men (Kochs, Adelson, etc.) and pay him to go away…rich!

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jamesfirecat  Jul 19, 2015 • 8:49:52am

re: #330 Dark_Falcon

Except that the Air force hates having to operate the A-10 and wants to relegate close air support (CAS) to drops of smart bombs, which isn’t enough. The use of fast-movers like the F-35 for CAS is folly, but its impossible to convince the men who fly the fast moving fighters that there needs to be not as many such jets a they’d like so that the Army can be supported. They don’t care that much about what happens to ground pounders as long as their own fifes stay unmolested.

Which is why at this point pretty much every time this argument comes up the same thing happens… (As I understand if I am wrong please correct me)

Air Force: We’re gonna phase out use of the A-10 and mothball it.

Army: So you’ve got a bunch of A-10’s you’re not going to be using any more? Can we have them so we can handle CAS within our own chain of command?

Air Force: Did we say we were giving up on the A-10? Nope, wouldn’t even imagine doing such a thing!

In short the Armed Services like any institution run by human beings has it’s problems.

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Belafon  Jul 19, 2015 • 8:50:22am

re: #332 ObserverArt

Maybe the RNC can just hand The DonaldTM their entire war chest and round up some rather sizable checks from the big money men (Kochs, Adelson, etc.) and pay him to go away…rich!

He doesn’t need the money. He’s convinced people for years to hand him money and they have. Unless the Koch’s gave away their empire, it wouldn’t cover what he can just get.

The presidency is an award to him, and now that he’s closer than he’s ever been, I really don’t see him letting go until it’s too late.

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Belafon  Jul 19, 2015 • 8:51:37am

re: #300 darthstar

Does anyone know what the full symbol is on her shirt?

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SteveMcGaziBolaGate  Jul 19, 2015 • 8:52:44am

In the discussion about military aircraft, I see a lot of people want to hold onto capable aircraft of 1960s and 70s design. We have been lucky to face enemies that have been pretty obliging. That won’t always be the case. In addition, we have rivals who are trying to design and build better aircraft and defense systems that they can sell to our potential enemies.

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jamesfirecat  Jul 19, 2015 • 8:53:30am

re: #331 Great White Snark

Multirole goes back to heavy fighter bombers of WW2.
You might recall the surprise and glee at the Pentagon and our allies equivalents when they made multirole jet fighters by accident? the F-16 and F-15? In the Osirak raid the CAP was F-15, the hitters were all F-16 the lighter “less capable” plane in design. Multirole/multiservice a frightfully seductive concept at the budget/logistics level.

I’m NOT saying the F-35 is a great plane. I’m pointing out the fact multirole has been done before so it seems a natural to try to repeat that success. It’s just harder than they imagined. One frame for 3 services was a budgeteers fantasy. Experienced fighters and developers knew better. Now the developers are excoriated for a best effort at a fantasy to save money.

OTOH it seems nearly every new plane or weapon system is the “worst ever” at some point in development. Some of those became military superstars in performance. M1 Abrams. The whole precision JDAM concept. F-15. F-16.

Without denying any of the F-22/F-35 issues, I for one would not be shocked to see either plane utterly kick ass at some point.

Well I’m not surprised at them “kicking ass” either, because almost every “war” we get involved in these days is either Counter Insurgency Operation or a war against some minor 3rd world nation using foreign export versions of Russian/Chinese equipment which is going to be at least half a generation behind.

In short, the US has so much money to throw at military problems and most of the foes we end up actually going to war with so little that SOMETHING USEFUL is bound to be turned out by the law of averages.

I think it’s really unlikely we’re ever going to get the Top Gun Scenario where F-22’s duke it out with whatever the current top generation Russian Fighter (SU-35?) is…

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electrotek  Jul 19, 2015 • 8:54:35am

Why don’t these same fuckwits ever have the balls to condemn CHRISTIAN homophobia?

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Targetpractice  Jul 19, 2015 • 8:54:54am

re: #331 Great White Snark

The thing is, the F-16 was designed to be the antithesis of the F-15, a small and light fighter with a singular job that was the product of pilot demands for a better dogfighter rather than manufacturer demands for putting as much into a bird as they could to justify a higher price tag. Thing is, the Air Force brass hadn’t really wanted the Viper in the first place, they wanted more F-15s. But Congress was looking at the budget numbers and realized there was simply no way to buy them as many Eagles as they wanted for what McDonnell Douglas wanted to charge.

So the AF brass decided if they couldn’t get rid of the bird, they’d make it useful. And so began the process of slapping as many new parts on it as possible, from more capable radars to software upgrades to handle more weapons, til finally you’ve got the Block 52 and F-16I which can carry two massive conformal fuel tanks and haul around much larger weapon loads than the Block 1 Viper could. And that process of making the “low-cost” bird into a multirole fighter became so successful that when it came time to begin design of a replacement, they started with jamming as much crap into the design as they could.

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Great White Snark  Jul 19, 2015 • 8:55:04am

Guys the A-10 is screwed when it tries to fly low over modernish ground forces. The anti air environment is a total killer. Over Afghanistan ind Syria, fine. Fly that plane in support in airspace near modern anti air and it’s over very very fast. Seems missiles own that airspace in the modern v modern force.

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FormerDirtDart  Jul 19, 2015 • 8:55:46am

re: #333 jamesfirecat

Which is why at this point pretty much every time this argument comes up the same thing happens… (As I understand if I am wrong please correct me)

Air Force: We’re gonna phase out use of the A-10 and mothball it.

Army: So you’ve got a bunch of A-10’s you’re not going to be using any more? Can we have them so we can handle CAS within our own chain of command?

Air Force: Did we say we were giving up on the A-10? Nope, wouldn’t even imagine doing such a thing!

In short the Armed Services like any institution run by human beings has it’s problems.

The Army has never wanted to take possession of the A-10 fleet.
For the simple reason that the Air Force wishes to mothball the A-10 for budgetary reasons (and always has). And, would there for certainly not transfer funds/personnel to the Army, as would be necessary for the Army to operate the A/C.
Thus, the Army would be required to cut programs/units to make funds/personnel available to operate the A-10

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Chan Kobun  Jul 19, 2015 • 8:58:07am

Welp. Team Waterslides lost Splatfest. At least we’re not whining about it like Team Cat did when they lost.

And hey, maybe for the next one I won’t get so discouraged by being beaten into the ground by an endless stream of hikkikomori that I might actually get to the top ranking.

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SteveMcGaziBolaGate  Jul 19, 2015 • 8:58:13am

re: #338 electrotek

Well, in all fairness the Christians aren’t hanging anybody.

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Targetpractice  Jul 19, 2015 • 8:58:42am

re: #341 FormerDirtDart

The Army has never wanted to take possession of the A-10 fleet.
For the simple reason that the Air Force wishes to mothball the A-10 for budgetary reasons (and always has). And, would there for certainly not transfer funds/personnel to the Army, as would be necessary for the Army to operate the A/C.
Thus, the Army would be required to cut programs/units to make funds/personnel available to operate the A-10

It’s simpler than that: The Air Force will never turn over the A-10 to the Army, even if the latter could find the funds in its budget to support the Warthog, because the Air Force will not allow the Army to operate fixed-wing aircraft. It’s been that way for decades, ever since they got absolutely bent out of shape over the AH-56 Cheyenne development program that would have produced an attack helicopter capable of subbing as a fighter bomber.

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jamesfirecat  Jul 19, 2015 • 8:58:48am

re: #329 SteveMcGaziBolaGate

I’m sorry, I must have missed the battles where the Bradleys did not get the troops to the site of the battle.

The Bradley ended up with an average Unit Cost of 3.2 Million Dollars, and ended up being phased out to be replaced by the MRAP which ended up costing about a third of that (stats given by Wikipedia).

You can build a better APC than the Bradley at less cost over a much shorter time span, if you just set out to build an APC and don’t let feature creep turn it into an IFV which is neither fish nor fowl.

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electrotek  Jul 19, 2015 • 8:59:53am

re: #343 SteveMcGaziBolaGate

Well, in all fairness the Christians aren’t hanging anybody.

Only a matter of time until that happens. Until then, they’ll stick with the tried-and-true method of physical assaults and murder with a gun.

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electrotek  Jul 19, 2015 • 9:00:46am

re: #343 SteveMcGaziBolaGate

Besides, you think these people are tolerant of gay Muslims? The fact that they still cling on to their Muslim faith should not make them immune from being targeted by these ignorant twats.

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Dark_Falcon  Jul 19, 2015 • 9:02:42am

re: #340 Great White Snark

Guys the A-10 is screwed when it tries to fly low over modernish ground forces. The anti air environment is a total killer. Over Afghanistan ind Syria, fine. Fly that plane in support in airspace near modern anti air and it’s over very very fast. Seems missiles own that airspace in the modern v modern force.

That’s what Destruction of Enemy Air Defenses (DEAD)*-optimized F-16s and the EA-18G Growler are supposed to help with. And the Growler’s done a fine job in Syria.

*: DEAD is one of the few US military acronyms to be openly bloody-minded. I like it.

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ObserverArt  Jul 19, 2015 • 9:03:02am

re: #334 Belafon

He doesn’t need the money. He’s convinced people for years to hand him money and they have. Unless the Koch’s gave away their empire, it wouldn’t cover what he can just get.

The presidency is an award to him, and now that he’s closer than he’s ever been, I really don’t see him letting go until it’s too late.

Yeah…I was just having fun with it all. But there is no telling what The Donald™ is really up to.

Hell, I wonder if he knows…or is he just winging it?

Another thing that was mentioned on MTP, was the panel saying Trump doesn’t even have a political campaign organization, etc.

That is funny too…as he is completely tearing up the whole RNC organization and all the other candidates organizations. Maybe GOP organizations are so unorganized by going after the down and dirty votes themselves they are completely blown out of the water when someone goes below them on the bottom feeding.

Is that what Trump is doing? Showing the GOP that this is what you get when you really don’t stand for anything and do anything but pander. I (Trump) can out pander you and if that is what you want then I’ll show you for what you are…nothing.

It all just demonstrates the issues the GOP has and how far out of touch they have become to sensible America.

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Belafon  Jul 19, 2015 • 9:03:21am

re: #343 SteveMcGaziBolaGate

Well, in all fairness the Christians aren’t hanging anybody.

In some countries, they use other forms of execution.

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Belafon  Jul 19, 2015 • 9:04:44am

re: #349 ObserverArt

It all just demonstrates the issues the GOP has and how far out of touch they have become to sensible America.

Hopefully the party is close to tearing itself to pieces.

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jamesfirecat  Jul 19, 2015 • 9:06:21am

re: #340 Great White Snark

Guys the A-10 is screwed when it tries to fly low over modernish ground forces. The anti air environment is a total killer. Over Afghanistan ind Syria, fine. Fly that plane in support in airspace near modern anti air and it’s over very very fast. Seems missiles own that airspace in the modern v modern force.

Can you point me in the direction of the studies that lead you to that conclusion, would be interested in reading?

I think the A-10 is comparable to the Stuka in World War 2, it’s very effective, once you use other planes to take out everything that could be a threat to it, then you let it off the leash to have its fun/do its job, and I don’t think there’s been a more effective CAS bird in a long time.

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jamesfirecat  Jul 19, 2015 • 9:07:29am

re: #348 Dark_Falcon

That’s what Destruction of Enemy Air Defenses (DEAD)*-optimized F-16s and the EA-18G Growler are supposed to help with. And the Growler’s done a fine job in Syria.

*: DEAD is one of the few US military acronyms to be openly bloody-minded. I like it.

I like SNAFU if only because it sounds like something nasty/something you want to avoid even before you know what it stands for.

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Pawn of the Oppressor  Jul 19, 2015 • 9:07:47am

re: #268 Romantic Heretic

Another chaos-of-war technology failure gaffe in that book was the Orion attacking MV Julius Fucik (the barge carrier which brought Lebed hovercraft to Iceland), and one of the Harpoon missiles on board didn’t launch because of a loose plug… Then the Fucik’s commander heeled the ship hard to raise the waterline and force the missile to hit higher up on the ship’s side.

When I was a kid I re-read that book until my copy literally fell apart. My parents met at Rothwesten Army base and my mother grew up in the Fulda Gap, so as a seven-year-old military history nerd in the early eighties that book was like candy for my little brain.

What I enjoyed so much was that the places in the book were real places described in detail. The book was a written war game with all of the coolest toys and for me, growing up in touch with some of those places, with my head full of flight simulator video games, I was pre-primed to get caught up in the story.

On one of our occasional family visits overseas, I even persuaded my parents to drive to Alfeld-on-the-Leine just to look at the bridge in the town which was a centerpiece of a battle scene in the book… The bridge is actually very, very small! (Very pretty country out there, though, very open and colorful). And I *still* want to go see the E30 bridges at Magdeburg which were the targets of the stealth fighters in the opening combat scene.

I should go back and re-read it as an adult. I may be disappointed but that book still looms giant in my memory.

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Great White Snark  Jul 19, 2015 • 9:08:45am

re: #339 Targetpractice

That’s all just how our Democracy arms itself. No two groups want the same things in any of these weapons. Operators, budgeteers, designers. Engineers and logistics / support guys. Ground forces v air forces v naval. All function at odds with one another in needs. Navy planes are heavy and in salt air.

Seems at the top management / budget mismanagement issue far more than anything else. When an impossible needs arises, like say supersonic flight many fails happen before you get the F-16. Or flying a warhead into a window or down a vent. How do you do that on the cheap? Sad reality is if you try to go cheap you double or triple the budget with that requirement. Or you kill the program.

Sub optimal results are cheaper to fix than start over. Making what they have useful is a feature not a bug.

Sad fact out of our military process—Money is the most deploy-able deterrent advantage we have over Russia and China.

Hey question for you guys interested in military bugets/weapons.

Why such a fortune on kinetic kill ultra high speed weapons? One possibility-We are funding a post nuclear weapons race. Defensive against nukes and offensive anywhere in 60 minutes, accurate to inches.

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SteveMcGaziBolaGate  Jul 19, 2015 • 9:09:09am

re: #352 jamesfirecat

Can you point me in the direction of the studies that lead you to that conclusion, would be interested in reading?

I think the A-10 is comparable to the Stuka in World War 2, it’s very effective, once you use other planes to take out everything that could be a threat to it, then you let it off the leash to have its fun/do its job, and I don’t think there’s been a more effective CAS bird in a long time.

Not sure where you’re going with this. The Stuka was a deathtrap in the presence of enemy fighters. Are you sure that’s how you want to support the A-10?

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jul 19, 2015 • 9:09:47am

re: #344 Targetpractice

It’s simpler than that: The Air Force will never turn over the A-10 to the Army, even if the latter could find the funds in its budget to support the Warthog, because the Air Force will not allow the Army to operate fixed-wing aircraft. It’s been that way for decades, ever since they got absolutely bent out of shape over the AH-56 Cheyenne development program that would have produced an attack helicopter capable of subbing as a fighter bomber.

It’s been 60 years now that the Army has been prohibited from owning fixed-wing combat aircraft. (And missiles with a range of more than 200 miles.)

Where would the Army pilots come from to fly the A-10 if they decided to violate that agreement? Actually, I have a suggestion—fold the Air Force back into the Army as a failed experiment.

Someday somebody is going to be impolite enough to shoot back at these attack hummingbirds helicopters and swat them out of the sky like so many gnats. Then where will we be? I suppose the same place we’ll be when it turns out we guessed wrong on the design of these billion-dollar fighters and the 10 we could afford all get shot down in so many minutes….

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ObserverArt  Jul 19, 2015 • 9:11:28am

re: #343 SteveMcGaziBolaGate

Well, in all fairness the Christians aren’t hanging anybody.

Not directly anyway. In America you just have to dig through the statistics to find how many LGBT folks ended their own lives due to the depression created by it all.

And with that…back to the poly urethane coating of the staircase. Later!

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jul 19, 2015 • 9:12:47am

re: #356 SteveMcGaziBolaGate

Not sure where you’re going with this. The Stuka was a deathtrap in the presence of enemy fighters. Are you sure that’s how you want to support the A-10?

Hell, as soon as infantrymen had no place to run to—like at Dunkirk—and shot at the Stukas in the middle of their dive, their reign of terror was over. Like swatting flies.

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darthstar  Jul 19, 2015 • 9:13:34am

You know who else invoked MLK all the time? Yep…Hitler.

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Higgs Boson's Mate  Jul 19, 2015 • 9:13:34am

re: #291 electrotek

Ah thanks for the heads up! Wonder if these participants are aware of that?

Anyone wearing fiberglass armor is unlikely to be a stickler for historical detail.

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Targetpractice  Jul 19, 2015 • 9:14:06am

re: #357 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

It’s been 60 years now that the Army has been prohibited from owning fixed-wing combat aircraft. (And missiles with a range of more than 200 miles.)

Where would the Army pilots come from to fly the A-10 if they decided to violate that agreement? Actually, I have a suggestion—fold the Air Force back into the Army as a failed experiment.

Someday somebody is going to be impolite enough to shoot back at these attack hummingbirds helicopters and swat them out of the sky like so many gnats. Then where will we be? I suppose the same place we’ll be when it turns out we guessed wrong on the design of these billion-dollar fighters and the 10 we could afford all get shot down in so many minutes….

Never happen. The big aerospace manufacturers would go nuts over the suggestion alone, because the reality of such a move would be that the Army would quickly take money out of programs like the F-35 and plow it into much-needed replacements for the Abrams, the Bradley, the Paladin, a new combat rifle/carbine to replace the M-16, and so forth.

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SteveMcGaziBolaGate  Jul 19, 2015 • 9:14:37am

re: #354 Pawn of the Oppressor

Actually I re-read it last year. It is still a fascinating book. I grew up making models of this and that but never really considered how they would be used. There was a lot of really neat stuff in there, including the Soviets moving their boomers to protected waters to free up more attack subs to the attack on the carrier group and all the ASW stuff.
As an aside I have an old friend who worked for a contractor and was totally pissed when the Hunt for Red October came out because he and his unit were under so much scrutiny (and threats) to keep all that detail in the story from leaking out, and then the book came out

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The Vicious Babushka  Jul 19, 2015 • 9:14:51am

THIS IS THE STUPIDEST THING YOU WILL READ ALL DAY==>

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Chan Kobun  Jul 19, 2015 • 9:16:59am

re: #364 The Vicious Babushka

TDMOTI Strikes Again!

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Great White Snark  Jul 19, 2015 • 9:17:01am

re: #352 jamesfirecat

Can you point me in the direction of the studies that lead you to that conclusion, would be interested in reading?

I think the A-10 is comparable to the Stuka in World War 2, it’s very effective, once you use other planes to take out everything that could be a threat to it, then you let it off the leash to have its fun/do its job, and I don’t think there’s been a more effective CAS bird in a long time.

Not a particular study. Confession time-I use an advanced sim to model some of this. Used to be a $199 game. (Steam $39) That thing has the latest public data on practically everyone’s military. kay that’s a game, might be FOS. Even though the Navy buys it, mods it and trains with it.

Just look at the specs for our Patriot missile and the Russian equivalent. Israeli anti air developments, again on our $$.

Imagine an A-10 trying to get into defended airspace over Israel or Russia. Or stay alive more than minutes. Those weapons make their way down the allied nations via arms sales over time. Recall what a complication the new Russian anti air missiles were going to be if sold to Iran? That’s the kind of example I’m using.

That’s gonna be a drone job.

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SteveMcGaziBolaGate  Jul 19, 2015 • 9:17:28am

re: #364 The Vicious Babushka

You know there is so much roadwork going on wherever I go. Didn’t Hitler have roads built too?

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jamesfirecat  Jul 19, 2015 • 9:17:47am

re: #356 SteveMcGaziBolaGate

Not sure where you’re going with this. The Stuka was a deathtrap in the presence of enemy fighters. Are you sure that’s how you want to support the A-10?

It’s not the A-10’s job to be able to dog fight enemy fighter, it’s job is to be murder with wings to anything on the ground.

I have a soft spot in my heart for anything that knows what its job is, and can do that job very well/be the best at that job, even if its not very good at other jobs (F-22 is another possible example though it hasn’t been as battle proven as the A-10) so when you have all the pieces working together properly the result is perfection, F-22’s take out enemy aircraft, another for pin point strikes against enemy SAM/radar emplacements, then let the A-10 do its thing.

Now I realize that this approach is also prone to cascading failure, but I still feel like it better because at least it means everyone clearly knows what their job is.

Granted I play Tau in Warhammer 40K.

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The Vicious Babushka  Jul 19, 2015 • 9:18:11am

Welp I went over to GatewayPundit (more sleazy ads appeared that found a way around AdBlock+) and read both lists.

Here are the EERIE SIMILARITIES:

They are lists!

They contain numbered points.

Elizabeth Warren’s list contains 11 points and Hitler’s list contains 23 points AND BOTH ARE PRIME NUMBERS!!!!!!

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Pawn of the Oppressor  Jul 19, 2015 • 9:18:18am

re: #357 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

Where would the Army pilots come from to fly the A-10 if they decided to violate that agreement? Actually, I have a suggestion—fold the Air Force back into the Army as a failed experiment.

That’s not a bad idea, and I know a few people in the service who would support it. Maybe pull all the strategic stuff like satellites and missiles and long-range nuking into its own force, call it “U.S. Space Force” to make it Buck Rogers enough, and turn the blood-and-guts-and-30mm-shells business back over to the people who actually suffer the consequences if it isn’t done right.

It would save money and lives in the long run, make for a more effective force, and boy do I wonder what the A-10 could do in the hands of the USMC…

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Chan Kobun  Jul 19, 2015 • 9:18:28am

re: #364 The Vicious Babushka
re: #367 SteveMcGaziBolaGate

I hate to do this, but: Hitler Ate Sugar!

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The Vicious Babushka  Jul 19, 2015 • 9:18:41am

re: #367 SteveMcGaziBolaGate

You know there is so much roadwork going on wherever I go. Didn’t Hitler have roads built too?

I have heard that he wore pants. And underwear!

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Dark_Falcon  Jul 19, 2015 • 9:19:21am

re: #357 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

Someday somebody is going to be impolite enough to shoot back at these attack hummingbirds helicopters and swat them out of the sky like so many gnats. Then where will we be? I suppose the same place we’ll be when it turns out we guessed wrong on the design of these billion-dollar fighters and the 10 we could afford all get shot down in so many minutes….

Our enemies have tried to shoot down our AH-64 Apaches many times and they’ve shot down a handful of them. But only once in Iraq near Karbala in 2003 was a foe able to drive off an Apache attack, and that only because the attacking force was overconfident. And even then, only one Apache was actually shot down, though at least two others were damaged beyond repair.

When you send in helicopter gunships, you expect to lose a few of them but they do a lot more damage than they suffer. And that’s not likely to change.

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Chan Kobun  Jul 19, 2015 • 9:19:34am

re: #369 The Vicious Babushka

Welp I went over to GatewayPundit (more sleazy ads appeared that found a way around AdBlock+)

Try uBlock. No “acceptable ads” setting in that.

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plansbandc  Jul 19, 2015 • 9:20:40am

Oh brother.

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JadeHelmCurious  Jul 19, 2015 • 9:20:53am

re: #371 Chan Kobun

I hate to do this, but: Hitler Ate Sugar!

Hitler liked puppies.

Do you like puppies?

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SteveMcGaziBolaGate  Jul 19, 2015 • 9:21:48am

re: #366 Great White Snark

I agree with you. We’ve been pretty lucky to face the enemies we’ve faced. What if we didn’t have 4 weeks to reduce the enemy’s defenses like we had in Desert Storm? What would have happened if we really had to fight Russians in Europe? So far A-10s haven’t been used in anything but an ideal combat environment. With a lot of luck we’ll keep it that way.

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PhillyPretzel  Jul 19, 2015 • 9:21:49am

re: #364 The Vicious Babushka

I wonder if both CCJ and Dim Jim are using the same chemicals. /half

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jamesfirecat  Jul 19, 2015 • 9:22:06am

re: #359 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

Hell, as soon as infantrymen had no place to run to—like at Dunkirk—and shot at the Stukas in the middle of their dive, their reign of terror was over. Like swatting flies.

That at least is a problem the A-10 doesn’t have given that the only thing it doesn’t have a backup of is the person actually flying it…

aircraftresourcecenter.com

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Chan Kobun  Jul 19, 2015 • 9:23:08am

re: #375 plansbandc

“Help! We’re being oppressed!”
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Dark_Falcon  Jul 19, 2015 • 9:25:14am

re: #366 Great White Snark

Not a particular study. Confession time-I use an advanced sim to model some of this. Used to be a $199 game. (Steam $39) That thing has the latest public data on practically everyone’s military. kay that’s a game, might be FOS. Even though the Navy buys it, mods it and trains with it.

Just look at the specs for our Patriot missile and the Russian equivalent. Israeli anti air developments, again on our $$.

Imagine an A-10 trying to get into defended airspace over Israel or Russia. Or stay alive more than minutes. Those weapons make their way down the allied nations via arms sales over time. Recall what a complication the new Russian anti air missiles were going to be if sold to Iran? That’s the kind of example I’m using.

That’s gonna be a drone job.

That’s the same sim War is Boring used to model the Baltic aerial fight between the F-35 and the Su-35S. Given that my posting about that touched off this whole discussion, I’d say you just brought things full circle, RWC.

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William Lewis  Jul 19, 2015 • 9:26:10am

re: #357 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

Actually, I have a suggestion—fold the Air Force back into the Army as a failed experiment.

This has been my feeling for years. The zoomies don’t want to do their real jobs? Fine. Here’s your new dress blues. Union blue instead of sky blue that is…

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SteveMcGaziBolaGate  Jul 19, 2015 • 9:28:51am

Funny detail about Red Storm Rising is the Stealth Fighters in the story were the kind that didn’t go into service.

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Dark_Falcon  Jul 19, 2015 • 9:29:35am

re: #375 plansbandc

Tim Tebow doesn’t passive-aggressively whine in public, so some wingnuts feel the need to whine on his behalf.

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Decatur Deb  Jul 19, 2015 • 9:30:50am

RADDATZ: “Have you ever said anything you regret?”

TRUMP: “Yes, I have, on many occasions.”

“I do.”
“I do.”
“I do.”

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Great White Snark  Jul 19, 2015 • 9:30:52am

re: #370 Pawn of the Oppressor

It’s awkward to have a Space Force denied the ability to put any weapon into orbit ever. Treaty agreements. If the close air job became army, fine with me. Strategic forces? Ummm hell no where would they get the experienced men and women? The mission critical institutional expertise? re: #381 Dark_Falcon

Hah, I did not backtrack enough this am. Gotta say I’m most skeptical of that game in air to air results. Naval, I think it rocks, missile battles too. One thing tracks well. Use the skill settings and see how fast that overcomes modernity in tech!

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SteveMcGaziBolaGate  Jul 19, 2015 • 9:34:09am

re: #385 Decatur Deb

Trump made a yuuuuge mistake phoning in that interview. If he was going to salvage his campaign, he should have accepted or insisted on an interview with somebody face to face.

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jaunte  Jul 19, 2015 • 9:36:38am

re: #375 plansbandc

“I’m an idiot on the radio!”
— Michael Berry

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jul 19, 2015 • 9:36:49am

What’s all this fuss about Tim Tebow? As far as I can tell, not following Football anymore, he’s a mediocre player, and it’s not like lots of other players aren’t Christians.

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William Lewis  Jul 19, 2015 • 9:37:30am

re: #381 Dark_Falcon

That’s the same sim War is Boring used to model the Baltic aerial fight between the F-35 and the Su-35S. Given that my posting about that touched off this whole discussion, I’d say you just brought things full circle, RWC.

Which also brings back my earlier point that a sim that is based on mfg provided tech details rather than real world performance (and most weapon systems even in Jane’s only have mfg specs to go on) is going to be potentially badly skewed by that I called the Tom Clancy Fallacy. You can not accurately simulate an F-35 attack with non-classified data - and I would bet at this point in the program, not even with classified data because there just isn’t enough yet.

Never forget as well that most of our opposition data are from export versions of the Russian Federation or ex-Soviet gear - simplified and stripped down systems they still call “monkey models”.

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wrenchwench  Jul 19, 2015 • 9:38:33am

re: #380 Chan Kobun

[Embedded content]

‘We discovered that Bugs Bunny has to have a provocation or he’s just a bully’

Not enough Sunday morning cartoons for some of those Christians.

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jaunte  Jul 19, 2015 • 9:39:44am

re: #389 Blind Frog Belly White

His public religious fervor, contra Matthew 6:6 about praying privately, was supposed to be a good example.

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Varek Raith  Jul 19, 2015 • 9:40:08am

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SteveMcGaziBolaGate  Jul 19, 2015 • 9:40:15am

re: #389 Blind Frog Belly White

He isn’t even a mediocre player. He can barely make it except as a gimmick third string QB who can’t throw. Any overrated player is going to get mocked by sports fans (and the bulk of it is really aimed at his athletic performance) and his supporters just want to use him as an example of the way Christians are being persecuted.

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Chan Kobun  Jul 19, 2015 • 9:40:18am

re: #391 wrenchwench

…wait they showed Bugs Bunny on Sundays where you were? Lucky skunk.

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wrenchwench  Jul 19, 2015 • 9:42:45am

re: #395 Chan Kobun

…wait they showed Bugs Bunny on Sundays where you were? Lucky skunk.

Southern California. More TV channels than the rest of the planet before cable.

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SteveMcGaziBolaGate  Jul 19, 2015 • 9:44:31am

I used to run home from school to catch (in various order) The Addams Family and Looney Tunes. Never cared for The Munsters or Tom and Jerry.

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JadeHelmCurious  Jul 19, 2015 • 9:44:59am

So many Sat mornings as a kid watching Chuck Jones magic. Out of many I think Tom and Jerry were my fav.

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SteveMcGaziBolaGate  Jul 19, 2015 • 9:45:40am

I have to confess that I am a total Spongebob geek.

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wrenchwench  Jul 19, 2015 • 9:45:52am

Oh, Sergey:

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darthstar  Jul 19, 2015 • 9:47:06am
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SteveMcGaziBolaGate  Jul 19, 2015 • 9:47:14am

re: #400 wrenchwench

From Google translater: To the dogs were warm and hosts - fun

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Lidane  Jul 19, 2015 • 9:47:35am

I had thought that Trump’s comments about McCain would be a bridge too far for the right. That some shred of decency would remain and they’d denounce Trump en masse and move forward to focusing on the serious presidential candidates. Nope. The GOP base loves this stuff. Trump’s more popular than ever. The Freepers, for example, are actively cheering him on:

I agree. Otherwise he would have been just another pilot who flew mission after mission during that time.

Quote is confusing and will be misinterpreted. Desite punctuation the words seem to indicate Trump said McCain is not a hero BECAUSE he was a POW.

What Trump meant was McCain is not a hero simply because of the fact he was a POW.

That tape is from TODAY.

Trump isn’t backing down one bit.
He’s on a roll.

Btw, another great Trump speech.
McCain calling millions of Trump’s supporters “Crazies” is just over the top.

It’s true.

McCain’s treasonous ways as AZ Senator was always given a pass because he was in the Hanoi Hilton. As if nobody else ever was.

McCain is one pompous ass that needs a good smackdown.

DT is the one to do it. Hopefully he has the details on McCains tenure in the Navy and will go public at the right time for maximum embarrassment to McCain.

John McCain has done more to ruin this country than almost anyone else I can think of. It’s high time everyone knows just what kind of ‘hero’ he really was.

Rather than being held up as a hero (by the anti-American media no less), his true colors should be shown for all to see.

The question is how does McCain get a pass calling millions of American’s who support Trump, “Crazies”?

Crazies? Really?

Terrific interview. Trump’s stock just rised another notch.

Can you name five other people held captive in the Hanoi Hilton?
Can you name five other Naval pilots from Vietnam?
Can you name 25 people who served in Vietnam?
If you think about it, this makes it very clear what Trump meant.
We know John was a “War Hero” because John and his supporters keep reminding us of it.

Exactly Trump likes the truth, he has no time for the bull. Least politically correct politician ever.

And McCain is no hero look what he has done to this country, he is a disgrace.

Bottom line for me is, Trump can win, and I don’t believe that of anyone one else. The GOP party bosses want to give the nomination to Bush and that will mean a President Hillary Clinton.

Donald Trump came across as very sincere and very credible. He is not a clown. He’s not the most conservative guy running but he’s the most earnest along with Cruz. IMO.

He’s more sincere than even Ted Cruz, and it’s immediately, essentially, apparent that he is an America First Nationalist.

Anymore that’s about all we can ask for.

Thank you for the link to the to Trumps appearance. I am liking him more each day.

Trump/Cruz sounds pretty good. I like Cruz also but I know that Trump would not take the position of Vice President.

Congratulations, Republicans. You built this.

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Great White Snark  Jul 19, 2015 • 9:48:14am

re: #379 jamesfirecat

Ever consider we buy weapons like we elect candidates? Broad strokes only here. It’s starts out said to be one thing, acts like another than gets beaten into shape by reality? Not always of course but seems a similar end result. An expensive way to get there, that required much modification over time.

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Dark_Falcon  Jul 19, 2015 • 9:48:30am

re: #389 Blind Frog Belly White

What’s all this fuss about Tim Tebow? As far as I can tell, not following Football anymore, he’s a mediocre player, and it’s not like lots of other players aren’t Christians.

Tebow is overtly evangelical, and though he doesn’t advance bad policy positions, many who are not southern or who are left-of-center are annoyed by Tebow’s public persona.

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Chan Kobun  Jul 19, 2015 • 9:48:39am

re: #400 wrenchwench

The one on the left is all “You are going to pay for this.”

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Great White Snark  Jul 19, 2015 • 9:48:58am

re: #400 wrenchwench

Oh, Sergey:

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Are those the Chinese Giraffes?

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SteveMcGaziBolaGate  Jul 19, 2015 • 9:49:41am

re: #403 Lidane

I disagree. I think the Trumpaholics will just coalesce into a hardened few will the rest of wingnuttia will feign shock and dismay in the hopes of masking their jingoism with patriotism.

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jaunte  Jul 19, 2015 • 9:49:47am

re: #403 Lidane

The question is how does McCain get a pass calling millions of American’s who support Trump, “Crazies”?

Crazies? Really?

How about assholes? Does that work for ya?

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wrenchwench  Jul 19, 2015 • 9:50:24am

re: #407 Great White Snark

Are those the Chinese Giraffes?

Russian reindeer is what I thought.

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Targetpractice  Jul 19, 2015 • 9:51:12am

re: #403 Lidane

I had thought that Trump’s comments about McCain would be a bridge too far for the right. That some shred of decency would remain and they’d denounce Trump en masse and move forward to focusing on the serious presidential candidates. Nope. The GOP base loves this stuff. Trump’s more popular than ever. The Freepers, for example, are actively cheering him on:

Congratulations, Republicans. You built this.

Trump has pretty much edged into “live boy/dead girl” territory. He could wipe his ass with the Constitution and there would be hardcore nutters who’d say he was just showing what Democrats have done to it.

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wrenchwench  Jul 19, 2015 • 9:52:51am

re: #403 Lidane

I had thought that Trump’s comments about McCain would be a bridge too far for the right. That some shred of decency would remain and they’d denounce Trump en masse and move forward to focusing on the serious presidential candidates. Nope. The GOP base loves this stuff. Trump’s more popular than ever. The Freepers, for example, are actively cheering him on:

Congratulations, Republicans. You built this.

Their support for the troops is as thin as than their support for Hispanics. Surface only, and only if they’re bring watched.

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darthstar  Jul 19, 2015 • 9:53:17am
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The Vicious Babushka  Jul 19, 2015 • 9:54:58am

You know Friday’s freeway fire? Drivers who were forced to abandon their vehicles hit with $650 towing fees.

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Romantic Heretic  Jul 19, 2015 • 9:54:58am

re: #338 electrotek

Why don’t these same fuckwits ever have the balls to condemn CHRISTIAN homophobia?

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Party for Freedom? Party for Murder.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jul 19, 2015 • 9:55:15am

re: #386 Great White Snark

It’s awkward to have a Space Force denied the ability to put any weapon into orbit ever. Treaty agreements. If the close air job became army, fine with me. Strategic forces? Ummm hell no where would they get the experienced men and women? The mission critical institutional expertise?

Hah, I did not backtrack enough this am. Gotta say I’m most skeptical of that game in air to air results. Naval, I think it rocks, missile battles too. One thing tracks well. Use the skill settings and see how fast that overcomes modernity in tech!

They could hive off a Strategic Rocket Force like the Soviets/Russians have—everything that you throw into the air and it comes back down (hopefully not “I know not where”). We have treaties specifying that anything that goes into orbit is unarmed, and I think we should keep that.

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Targetpractice  Jul 19, 2015 • 9:55:55am

re: #414 The Vicious Babushka

You know Friday’s freeway fire? Drivers who were forced to abandon their vehicles hit with $650 towing fees.

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Looks like a scene out of a post-apocalyptic film.

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jaunte  Jul 19, 2015 • 10:01:57am

re: #417 Targetpractice

Looks like a scene out of a post-apocalyptic film.

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Lidane  Jul 19, 2015 • 10:03:01am

re: #414 The Vicious Babushka

You know Friday’s freeway fire? Drivers who were forced to abandon their vehicles hit with $650 towing fees.

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Seriously? Anyone forcing these car owners to pay to tow their cars when the alternative was being burned alive in their vehicles is an asshole.

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Romantic Heretic  Jul 19, 2015 • 10:04:10am

re: #359 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

Hell, as soon as infantrymen had no place to run to—like at Dunkirk—and shot at the Stukas in the middle of their dive, their reign of terror was over. Like swatting flies.

I’m not sure Hans-Ulrich Rudel would agree.

Although admittedly he was flying on the Eastern Front, and eventually the Luftwaffe converted Fw190s to the ground attack role.

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PhillyPretzel  Jul 19, 2015 • 10:04:41am

re: #419 Lidane

That is a bureaucrat thinking or attempting to think. /

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Romantic Heretic  Jul 19, 2015 • 10:07:20am

re: #366 Great White Snark

That’s gonna be a drone job.

Agreed. The future of air warfare is remotely piloted, semi-autonomous drones for everything from air superiority to CAS.

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The Vicious Babushka  Jul 19, 2015 • 10:08:40am

re: #419 Lidane

Seriously? Anyone forcing these car owners to pay to tow their cars when the alternative was being burned alive in their vehicles is an asshole.

Isn’t insurance supposed to cover these fees?

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Great White Snark  Jul 19, 2015 • 10:14:07am

re: #419 Lidane

Seriously? Anyone forcing these car owners to pay to tow their cars when the alternative was being burned alive in their vehicles is an asshole.

Okay so who pays? The towing companies? Maybe if I still had my life I’d still feel way ahead on the deal. Shit happens and often without anyone to pay.

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Great White Snark  Jul 19, 2015 • 10:15:34am

re: #413 darthstar

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1st guess, not yet illegal if non commercial and in an area okay to shoot in.

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wrenchwench  Jul 19, 2015 • 10:16:14am

re: #424 Great White Snark

Okay so who pays? The towing companies? Maybe if I still had my life I’d still feel way ahead on the deal. Shit happens and often without anyone to pay.

Who is paying for fighting that fire? The vehicles are state losses, if it’s the state. Or is it federal?

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Targetpractice  Jul 19, 2015 • 10:16:53am

re: #424 Great White Snark

Okay so who pays? The towing companies? Maybe if I still had my life I’d still feel way ahead on the deal. Shit happens and often without anyone to pay.

Indeed, this shit falls under “Act of God.” Kind of hard to give the city shit because they’re billing you since the Almighty ain’t coughing up any money.

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freetoken  Jul 19, 2015 • 10:19:13am

As many of you are probably aware, in Iowa this weekend is the “Family Leadership” get together, and the GOP candidates come to bow before the religious right organizers:

Walker tells Iowans that faith carried him through Act 10 protests

At a summit here featuring religious themes of unity and forgiveness, Gov. Scott Walker said his faith defines who he is as an elected official and informed his response to protesters during the polarizing 2011 debate over public sector collective bargaining.

“It defines not just who I am and what I believe in, but how I treat others,” Walker said. “I hope people saw that even at the height of when 100,000 protesters occupied our Capitol and I had death threats and all sorts of vicious attacks against me, against my family, against my children, against my parents and others, that we didn’t respond in kind. That in part was driven by our faith.”

The response drew Walker’s biggest applause at the Family Leadership Summit from thousands of religious conservatives who will be crucial in winning the Republican Iowa caucuses next year. While an estimated 100,000 protesters descended on the Capitol one day, most of them were outside the Capitol.

Otherwise, the audience response to Walker, who spoke last, was more subdued than to most of the nine other Republican presidential candidates who spoke at the event. Louisiana Gov. Bobby Jindal received four spontaneous standing ovations including one after saying “the left is trying to take God out of the public square.”

[…]

The format of the Saturday event that drew most of the 15 Republican 2016 presidential hopefuls was a sit-down interview with national pollster Frank Luntz, […]

One audience member said Walker’s past hiring of a staffer who was for abortion rights gave him reason for concern and asked why he didn’t come out more forcefully against a recent video showing a Planned Parenthood executive discussing the sale of fetal body parts.

Walker said the explanation was simple.

“Actions speak louder than words,” Walker said. “A lot of candidates came up here and tell you on stages like this they are going to fight for things. I’ve actually won on this. I defunded Planned Parenthood in a blue state.”

[…]

Trump also stumbled when asked if he’s ever asked God for forgiveness, saying he’s not sure that he has.

“If I do something wrong, I try to make it right,” Trump said. “I don’t bring God into that picture.”

[…]

Other candidates fielded religious questions from the audience or wove religious themes into their 30-minute discussion with Luntz.

[…]

Also at the event, former Pennsylvania Sen. Rick Santorum backed away from recent criticism of Walker over his wife Tonette’s comments on same-sex marriage.

Santorum said in an interview with the State Journal that his comments to a conservative news outlet were general in nature, and not specifically about Walker and his wife, who told the Washington Post she was torn about her husband calling for a constitutional amendment allowing states to ban same-sex marriage while her sons support the issue.

[…]

Deep into ideology, that group.

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Amory Blaine  Jul 19, 2015 • 10:20:20am

That isn’t a $650 tow job it’s crooked. There are a mass of completely destroyed vehicles in one place that could be cleaned up with a front end loader and some roll-off trucks.

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Eric The Fruit Bat  Jul 19, 2015 • 10:20:51am

re: #416 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

The Chinese certainly didn’t honor that.

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The Vicious Babushka  Jul 19, 2015 • 10:23:17am

re: #429 Amory Blaine

That isn’t a $650 tow job it’s crooked. There are a mass of completely destroyed vehicles in one place that could be cleaned up with a front end loader and some roll-off trucks.

There were some drive-away vehicles that had to be left on the road in case the fire came close to them. These are the cars that are getting the $650 tow charges.

I thought insurance is supposed to cover this.

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freetoken  Jul 19, 2015 • 10:24:50am

More insights:

Faith Takes Centerstage at Family Leadership Summit as Rubio Reads From the Bible

Ten Republican presidential candidates spoke about their faith and how they care for issues such as marriage, religious freedom and defeating Islamist terrorism as they addressed a big annual gathering of evangelical voters at the Family Leadership Summit in Iowa Saturday.

The candidates spoke to the crowd and faced questions from the moderator, Frank Luntz, a political consultant and Fox News contributor, and the audience, with a Bible placed on the table next to them.

Florida Sen. Marco Rubio, the first presidential candidate to address the annual event, picked up the Bible and read from Luke 12:48: “… From everyone who has been given much, much will be demanded; and from the one who has been entrusted with much, much more will be asked.”

[…]

Cruz criticized the nuclear deal with Iran. “If this deal goes through, billions of dollars will flow into Iran, the world’s leading state sponsor of terrorism. Those billions of dollars will go to Hezbollah, to Hamas, to the Houthis. If this deal goes through, and this is not an exaggeration, the Obama administration will become, literally, the world’s leading financier of radical Islamic terrorism. American dollars will fund jihadist seeking to murder Americans, Israelis and Europeans,” he said.

Like, literally.

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wrenchwench  Jul 19, 2015 • 10:25:00am

re: #426 wrenchwench

Who is paying for fighting that fire? The vehicles are state losses, if it’s the state. Or is it federal?

The North Fire Is Currently In Unified Command With Forest Service, Calfire, San Bernardino County Fire, And San Bernardino County Sheriff Managed By Southern California Team 3, Mike Wakoski

Cause is still under investigation.

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Amory Blaine  Jul 19, 2015 • 10:26:22am

re: #431 The Vicious Babushka

Ahh. My mistake.

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Great White Snark  Jul 19, 2015 • 10:27:28am

re: #426 wrenchwench

Who is paying for fighting that fire? The vehicles are state losses, if it’s the state. Or is it federal?

Some said this was a first. Well on a highway maybe. But great wildfires fires often take out cars along with homes. Parked on the street even. Seems to me to be one of those long odds risks we take on ourselves by way of travel. “Comprehensive” is what might apply from insurance if one bought it. Besides the driver and his or her insurance, no one else has any cause to be liable.

Huge hit if you are poor, too small for FEMA obviously. Very unfortunate.

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Eric The Fruit Bat  Jul 19, 2015 • 10:27:44am

re: #331 Great White Snark

But why even bother when drones can perform precision targeting at 1% the cost of a manned sortie? And if you need serious destruction, just throw up a Tomahawk with a dial-a-yield nuclear payload.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 19, 2015 • 10:29:38am

re: #432 freetoken

More insights:

Faith Takes Centerstage at Family Leadership Summit as Rubio Reads From the Bible

Like, literally.

Are these guys running for president or for pastor? You know, if Rubio wants to do this in his own time and away from the cameras, that’s fine but the politicizing of Christianity by the Republican Party is disgusting.

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freetoken  Jul 19, 2015 • 10:30:42am

re: #437 HappyWarrior

They’re pandering to the hyper-religious crowd.

Je$u$ makes votes happen.

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Great White Snark  Jul 19, 2015 • 10:31:28am

re: #436 Eric The Fruit Bat

But why even bother when drones can perform precision targeting at 1% the cost of a manned sortie? And if you need serious destruction, just throw up a Tomahawk with a dial-a-yield nuclear payload.

That’s the future, coming at mach 3. Or 5. Heh ever see Dark Star?

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SteveMcGaziBolaGate  Jul 19, 2015 • 10:34:46am

re: #432 freetoken

Odd choice of passage. Much will be asked. I guess he figures that they weren’t given anything. They earnedtheir daddy’s estates.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 19, 2015 • 10:36:03am

re: #438 freetoken

They’re pandering to the hyper-religious crowd.

Je$u$ makes votes happen.

Oh I know, it’s just so fucking disgusting and blatant pandering. Really if I were actually religious, I’d be more bothered by this than I am as a secularist.

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freetoken  Jul 19, 2015 • 10:36:37am

re: #440 SteveMcGaziBolaGate

I think Rubio was trying to make the point that he (as opposed to the other GOP candidates) knows that a lot is expected of him, and he’s humble enough (*cough*) to realize it.

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Eric The Fruit Bat  Jul 19, 2015 • 10:37:39am

re: #439 Great White Snark

Can’t say I have seen Dark Star.

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Amory Blaine  Jul 19, 2015 • 10:37:49am

On vacation for the week, woohoo! We’re going to the Wisconsin Dells tomorrow for a couple of days with my mom, brother, sister and my (now grown) nieces. The girls like when I play the acoustic, and last year I was belting out some tunes around the campfire and when I would stop playing you could hear applause from all over the campground. We got a kick out of that.

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The Vicious Babushka  Jul 19, 2015 • 10:40:39am

Got some neo-Cornfedrats in my timeline

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alpuzzzzz from Wisconsin  Jul 19, 2015 • 10:40:41am

re: #441 HappyWarrior

Luntz was flown in during the height of the protests. You know, to coach the Guv.

There were never 100,000 people occupying the Capitol. There were up to around 250,000 who showed up for one of the last protests. But they just circled the square. Walker, nor his family were ever in any danger. But, that shit sells… just like pandering to the religious right. Which, by the way, Walker is one of. Don’t be fooled.

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The Vicious Babushka  Jul 19, 2015 • 10:42:18am

holly ammon enters my mentions but she blocked me. OK I’m happy to return the favor.

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Great White Snark  Jul 19, 2015 • 10:42:25am

re: #443 Eric The Fruit Bat

Can’t say I have seen Dark Star.

Storyline

Low-budget story of four astronauts in deep space, whose mission is to destroy unstable planets in star systems which are to be colonised. The late Commander Powell is stored in deep freeze, where he is still able to offer advice. As their mission nears completion, they must cope with a runaway alien which resembles a beach-ball, faulty computer systems, and a “smart bomb” who thinks it is God. Written by Alexander Lum <aj_lum@postoffice.utas.edu.au>

Can’t say I recommend it as a film really, unless you are a huge John Carpenter fan. Just think smart drones and AI…

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HappyWarrior  Jul 19, 2015 • 10:42:49am

re: #405 Dark_Falcon

Tebow is overtly evangelical, and though he doesn’t advance bad policy positions, many who are not southern or who are left-of-center are annoyed by Tebow’s public persona.

Speaking for myself. I don’t actually mind Tebow himself though his father’s extremely ignorant statement about the people of the Philippines needing Jesus Christ in their lives (the country is majority Roman Catholic/Christian and also has some Muslims in which Christ is a prophet) pissed me off, I don’t really dislike Tim so much as I hate the idea that he’s entitled to not just a job in the NFL but a starting job because he’s an evangelical Christian. Now I will concede that a lot of people do dislike Tebow for the reasons you say but I really think it’s the mindset I’m talking about that influenced that.

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FemNaziBitch  Jul 19, 2015 • 10:45:45am

So, I guess a local school district cancelled Veteran’s day as a vacation day for the schools. I got an ear full yesterday about how they didn’t cancel Martin Luther King Jr. Day.

I pointed out that while I thought it was a bad idea, Veterans also had Memorial Day. So, technically, the kids had two days off in honor of Veterans.

The counter was that there was a whole month of Black History. The idea that the kids didn’t get the whole month off didn’t register.

nice huh?

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HappyWarrior  Jul 19, 2015 • 10:45:48am

re: #445 The Vicious Babushka

Got some neo-Cornfedrats in my timeline

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Why do they claim to love our country if they think secession was so great? Really neo-confederates, you can’t have it both ways. You can’t proclaim to love our country yet defend the Confederates. Sorry you just can’t. And you especially can’t accuse liberals of not loving our country. Frankly most of the people who served the CSA are lucky they didn’t get some serious punishment. It’s to Lincoln’s credit(the man many of them despise as a tyrant) seeking reconciliation above punishment that many Confederates including CSA leaders did not spend a day in jail.

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The Vicious Babushka  Jul 19, 2015 • 10:46:12am
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wrenchwench  Jul 19, 2015 • 10:46:40am

re: #448 Great White Snark

Can’t say I recommend it as a film really, unless you are a huge John Carpenter fan. Just think smart drones and AI…

I think it’s hysterical. I recommend it to anyone with a sense of humor.

My favorite line:

‘Teach it—phenomenology

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HappyWarrior  Jul 19, 2015 • 10:48:09am

re: #450 FemNaziBitch

So, I guess a local school district cancelled Veteran’s day as a vacation day for the schools. I got an ear full yesterday about how they didn’t cancel Martin Luther King Jr. Day.

I pointed out that while I thought it was a bad idea, Veterans also had Memorial Day. So, technically, the kids had two days off in honor of Veterans.

The counter was that there was a whole month of Black History. The idea that the kids didn’t get the whole month off didn’t register.

nice huh?

We normally had Veterans Day as a school day but Memorial Day off. Makes sense since traditionally Veterans Day is traditionally IIRC about honoring the living while Memorial Day is about honoring the deceased. If people really want to honor veterans and our troops, they’d support better help for our troops once they get home rather than using them as political props to deflect criticism from.

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FemNaziBitch  Jul 19, 2015 • 10:48:18am

re: #451 HappyWarrior

Why do they claim to love our country if they think secession was so great? Really neo-confederates, you can’t have it both ways. You can’t proclaim to love our country yet defend the Confederates. Sorry you just can’t. And you especially can’t accuse liberals of not loving our country. Frankly most of the people who served the CSA are lucky they didn’t get some serious punishment. It’s to Lincoln’s credit(the man many of them despise as a tyrant) seeking reconciliation above punishment that many Confederates including CSA leaders did not spend a day in jail.

I am so freakin’ tired of the racists in my life doing mental gymnastics to rationalize their racism.

Unfortunatly, it is difficult to separate oneself from family. Limiting myself to one or two exposures a year is still dangerous for my health.

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jaunte  Jul 19, 2015 • 10:48:21am

re: #451 HappyWarrior

Why do they claim to love our country if they think secession was so great? Really neo-confederates, you can’t have it both ways. You can’t proclaim to love our country yet defend the Confederates. Sorry you just can’t. And you especially can’t accuse liberals of not loving our country. Frankly most of the people who served the CSA are lucky they didn’t get some serious punishment. It’s to Lincoln’s credit(the man many of them despise as a tyrant) seeking reconciliation above punishment that many Confederates including CSA leaders did not spend a day in jail.

They love the Jim Crow America of the 30s 40s and 50s, and want to “take their country back.”

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FemNaziBitch  Jul 19, 2015 • 10:48:56am

re: #454 HappyWarrior

We normally had Veterans Day as a school day but Memorial Day off. Makes sense since traditionally Veterans Day is traditionally IIRC about honoring the living while Memorial Day is about honoring the deceased. If people really want to honor veterans and our troops, they’d support better help for our troops once they get home rather than using them as political props to deflect criticism from.

Instead the whackos what a day off school.

Like it means jack to the kids.

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Ace-o-aces  Jul 19, 2015 • 10:49:28am
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HappyWarrior  Jul 19, 2015 • 10:50:08am

re: #456 jaunte

They love the Jim Crow America of the 30s 40s and 50s, and want to “take their country back.”

I think their dream era is actually the 1870”s, 1880’s, and 1890’s. But yeah you’re right. Their ideal America is an America that wasn’t really free. I am just tired of assholes who wave CSA flags telling me I’m unpatriotic because I am a liberal but yet seeing them wave the flag of the “nation” responsible for more US deaths than any other conflict. If you despise ISIS which you should, you should fucking loathe the CSA.

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alpuzzzzz from Wisconsin  Jul 19, 2015 • 10:50:37am

re: #453 wrenchwench

Oh man, now I have to see it.

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FemNaziBitch  Jul 19, 2015 • 10:51:31am

How Murdertainment Terrifies You for Fun and Profit

the article states that crime is at an all time low. I haven’t been paying attention and don’t have the time to look it all up. I have to wonder what crime they are talking about.

I’d rather the article state that “reported” or “convicted” crime is at an all time low. Changes one’s perception just a bit.

Human Traffickking, for example, is up.

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Lidane  Jul 19, 2015 • 10:51:39am

re: #424 Great White Snark

Okay so who pays? The towing companies? Maybe if I still had my life I’d still feel way ahead on the deal. Shit happens and often without anyone to pay.

The cars are scrap metal, right?

Contract a scrap metal company to come and collect every burned out car on that freeway. Whatever they spend would come out to about the same amount as the city is wanting to charge these owners to tow the burned out husks of what used to be their cars.

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freetoken  Jul 19, 2015 • 10:51:52am

A Psalm, for the Republican Primary:

Why do the Democrats conspire
and the media plot in vain?
2 The politicians of the earth rise up
and the union leaders band together
against the Lord and against his appointed, saying,
3 “Let us break their chain stores
and throw off their brands.”
4 The One enthroned in Wichita laughs;
the Lord scoffs at them.
5 He rebukes them in his anger
and terrifies them in his wrath, saying,
6 “I have installed my Republican
in DC, my holy subsidiary.”

7 I will proclaim the Lord’s decree:
He said to me, “You are my Republican;
today I have become your father.
8 Ask me,
and I will make the nations your tax-free inheritance,
the forests of the earth your tax shelter.
9 You will break them with a rod of vetoes;
you will dash them to pieces like pottery barn imports.”
10 Therefore, you Democrats, be wise;
be warned, you consultants of the lobbyists.
11 Serve the Lord with fear
and celebrate his rule with trembling.
12 Kiss his Republican, or he will be angry
and your way will lead to your destruction,
for his wrath can flare up in a moment.
Blessed are all who take capital gains refuge in him.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 19, 2015 • 10:52:11am

re: #457 FemNaziBitch

Instead the whackos what a day off school.

Like it means jack to the kids.

I think what would be best if you are going to have school on those holidays is to have a veteran come in and talk to the class. I think when I was seven which was the year of the 50th anniversary of D-Day, a girl’s grandfather who had been in the Normandy Landings came in and talked. I’m a big fan of living history approaches to history as to make history feel closer and relevant to the kids.

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Targetpractice  Jul 19, 2015 • 10:52:37am

re: #445 The Vicious Babushka

Got some neo-Cornfedrats in my timeline

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Can anybody think of another nation where monuments were built to failed revolutions? Hell, when the Soviet Union fell, most of the icons came down with it.

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FemNaziBitch  Jul 19, 2015 • 10:53:06am

re: #464 HappyWarrior

I think what would be best if you are going to have school on those holidays is to have a veteran come in and talk to the class. I think when I was seven which was the year of the 50th anniversary of D-Day, a girl’s grandfather who had been in the Normandy Landings came in and talked. I’m a big fan of living history approaches to history as to make history feel closer and relevant to the kids.

then the bus drivers won’t get a day off… . .

the person spouting their opinions to me is one.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 19, 2015 • 10:53:43am

re: #466 FemNaziBitch

then the bus drivers won’t get a day off… . .

the person spouting their opinions to me is one.

Oh I know. Just thinking aloud.

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ObserverArt  Jul 19, 2015 • 10:53:49am

re: #451 HappyWarrior

Why do they claim to love our country if they think secession was so great? Really neo-confederates, you can’t have it both ways. You can’t proclaim to love our country yet defend the Confederates. Sorry you just can’t. And you especially can’t accuse liberals of not loving our country. Frankly most of the people who served the CSA are lucky they didn’t get some serious punishment. It’s to Lincoln’s credit(the man many of them despise as a tyrant) seeking reconciliation above punishment that many Confederates including CSA leaders did not spend a day in jail.

Awww. It t’wer’nt nothin’ but a ‘lil ol’ Saturday night bar fight, see. And the next day America would’a’ woke up with a bit of a hangover and shook hands and said ‘twas all in good fun. Just testing to see how much a man you all was.

See, folks just do not understand. It’s part of the heritage and culture!

See you next Saturday night. We’ll get you next time…

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The Vicious Babushka  Jul 19, 2015 • 10:54:22am

re: #459 HappyWarrior

I think their dream era is actually the 1850’s,

When slavery was legal.

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Shiplord Kirel  Jul 19, 2015 • 10:55:01am

re: #445 The Vicious Babushka

Got some neo-Cornfedrats in my timeline

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RWNJs and neo-Confederate aren’t trying to make sense. They just want to fill their response space, verbal or written, with some kind of distraction from their real position. They seem not to care at all about facts because the only fact they care about, there is a black man in the White House, is beyond dispute yet they still feel a bit timid about addressing it directly. They are closer to it every day, though, and many have already abandoned the taboo entirely.
This could not be more obvious.

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FemNaziBitch  Jul 19, 2015 • 10:55:29am

Anyone heard of this science author? Mary Roach.

Audible is having a sale on her audio books. I don’t want to read/listen bad science.

It’s wierd when I’ve never even heard of a “best selling” author.

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FemNaziBitch  Jul 19, 2015 • 10:56:00am

re: #470 Shiplord Kirel

RWNJs and neo-Confederate aren’t trying to make sense. They just want to fill their response space, verbal or written, with some kind of distraction from their real position. They seem not to care at all about facts because the only fact they care about, there is a black man in the White House, is beyond dispute yet they still feel a bit timid about addressing it directly. They are closer to it every day, though, and many have already abandoned the taboo entirely.
This could not be more obvious.

They’ll really freak when there is a woman in the White House.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 19, 2015 • 10:56:22am

re: #465 Targetpractice

Can anybody think of another nation where monuments were built to failed revolutions? Hell, when the Soviet Union fell, most of the icons came down with it.

What’s really messed up is in some places like Kentucky that actually stayed with the Union, the number of CSA statues and memorials overwhelmingly dominates the USA statues and memorials. I really can’t stop some individual for wanting to honor his great great grandfather who wrongfully believed he was fighting for his freedom but it’s a shame to have state funded memorials and statues to the CSA. I really think and I say this as a descendant of Union veterans but also a Virginian that we need to recognize more the sacrifices made by the men and women of the Union.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 19, 2015 • 10:56:56am

re: #469 The Vicious Babushka

When slavery was legal.

Yeah that’s probably more right. Even less labor protections then too.

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jaunte  Jul 19, 2015 • 10:57:06am
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freetoken  Jul 19, 2015 • 10:57:22am

re: #472 FemNaziBitch

They’ll really freak when there is a woman in the White House.

An openly gay person even more so.

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jaunte  Jul 19, 2015 • 10:57:43am

“nothing inspires everlasting butthurt like a Lost Cause”

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wrenchwench  Jul 19, 2015 • 10:58:29am

re: #460 alpuzzzzz from Wisconsin

Oh man, now I have to see it.

Great! Here’s the theme song:

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freetoken  Jul 19, 2015 • 11:01:47am

I see various religious right pundits and organizations still try to use that edited PP video in their promotions. They’ve really latched on to it.

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Eric The Fruit Bat  Jul 19, 2015 • 11:02:43am

re: #448 Great White Snark

I pulled up the preview. Yeesh.

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FemNaziBitch  Jul 19, 2015 • 11:03:52am

The problem is IMHO, that the 1% refuses to admit that their way of life is dependent on a low-paid working class. Until very recently in history, this meant non-paid slaves.

It’s like this fact is the elephant in the living room that when talked about causes heads to spin and a big neon “denial” light to go off in brains —of those conditioned to the status quo.

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Eric The Fruit Bat  Jul 19, 2015 • 11:04:16am

re: #453 wrenchwench

This would have been perfect fodder of MST3K/Cinematic Titanic.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 19, 2015 • 11:05:42am

re: #481 FemNaziBitch

The problem is IMHO, that the 1% refuses to admit that their way of life is dependent on a low-paid working class. Until very recently in history, this meant non-paid slaves.

It’s like this fact is the elephant in the living room that when talked about causes heads to spin and a big neon “denial” light to go off in brains —of those conditioned to the status quo.

They sadly think it’s the other way around. But you’re right, the fact is they need the low paid working class a hell of a lot more than the LPWC needs them.

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EmmaAnne  Jul 19, 2015 • 11:06:00am

re: #251 sagehen

Can I point out that Los Angeles did an *awesome* job with their 1984 Olympics, turned a profit, and still gets good use out of the (already existing) venues.

Yeah, this. I lived there at the time, and it was a great experience for everyone I knew. The big ticket events were out of our reach, but we all got to see quarter finals of this or that. It was like a celebration for the whole city.

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FemNaziBitch  Jul 19, 2015 • 11:06:08am

re: #479 freetoken

I see various religious right pundits and organizations still try to use that edited PP video in their promotions. They’ve really latched on to it.

When I hear people spout off about abortion —my reply has been: “You know, a man can kill his wife by keeping her pregnant”.

People just shut up when I say that. Which is fine with me.

There is some mental block involved regarding marriage and rape and slavery.

No, historically and currently, every woman that spreads her legs is not doing so of her own free will. Coercion, conditioning and outright violence happen in the most Christian marriages, right here in this country.

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FemNaziBitch  Jul 19, 2015 • 11:06:55am

I’ve decided that Fox News is the most current version of “circuses” in the “bread and circuses” meme.

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alpuzzzzz from Wisconsin  Jul 19, 2015 • 11:07:35am

re: #478 wrenchwench

The reviews on Amazon are awesome. I loved this one(one star):

‘Do not buy this movie, unless you enjoy psychedelic drugs!!’

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FemNaziBitch  Jul 19, 2015 • 11:08:10am

re: #417 Targetpractice

Looks like a scene out of a post-apocalyptic film.

If the vehicles were damaged, auto insurance should cover that. Although I don’t know the average deductible in California.

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freetoken  Jul 19, 2015 • 11:08:25am

Looks like the blowback for Trump, over his comments about McCain, is not letting up yet. I wonder how his numbers will be this time next week.

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Belafon  Jul 19, 2015 • 11:08:46am

At my first ever campaign rally with my son. It’s for Sanders. I’m not a crowd person, and I’m slightly more Clinton, but this should be fun.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 19, 2015 • 11:09:12am

re: #490 Belafon

At my first ever campaign rally with my son. It’s for Sanders. I’m not a crowd person, and I’m slightly more Clinton, but this should be fun.

Enjoy. Should be neat.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 19, 2015 • 11:10:44am

re: #489 freetoken

Looks like the blowback for Trump, over his comments about McCain, is not letting up yet. I wonder how his numbers will be this time next week.

It will be interesting to see. Obviously Trump’s opponents condemned it but it will be interesting to see how teh rank and file responds. After all, it was a Republican debate audience that booed the openly gay soldier and McCain has never been too popular with the GOP base. I expect some lost ground in the polls but not the lost ground that the establishment would want.

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FemNaziBitch  Jul 19, 2015 • 11:12:00am

re: #438 freetoken

They’re pandering to the hyper-religious crowd.

Je$u$ makes votes happen.

And he accepts Visa, Mastercard, American Express, Discover, PayPal, legacy endowments, Cash, and Bitcoin.

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FemNaziBitch  Jul 19, 2015 • 11:12:31am

re: #492 HappyWarrior

It will be interesting to see. Obviously Trump’s opponents condemned it but it will be interesting to see how teh rank and file responds. After all, it was a Republican debate audience that booed the openly gay soldier and McCain has never been too popular with the GOP base. I expect some lost ground in the polls but not the lost ground that the establishment would want.

Trump has his own ring in the Circus. Yet, he thinks he is ringmaster.

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Varek Raith  Jul 19, 2015 • 11:13:09am

re: #492 HappyWarrior

It will be interesting to see. Obviously Trump’s opponents condemned it but it will be interesting to see how teh rank and file responds. After all, it was a Republican debate audience that booed the openly gay soldier and McCain has never been too popular with the GOP base. I expect some lost ground in the polls but not the lost ground that the establishment would want.

Or Max Cleland.

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Decatur Deb  Jul 19, 2015 • 11:13:38am

re: #404 Great White Snark

Ever consider we buy weapons like we elect candidates? Broad strokes only here. It’s starts out said to be one thing, acts like another than gets beaten into shape by reality? Not always of course but seems a similar end result. An expensive way to get there, that required much modification over time.

I’ve posted this before. Here is how we acquire weapons:

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Dr. Matt  Jul 19, 2015 • 11:13:47am

re: #493 FemNaziBitch

And he accepts Visa, Mastercard, American Express, Discover, PayPal, legacy endowments, Cash, and Bitcoin.

And gold….never forget gold!

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Chan Kobun  Jul 19, 2015 • 11:13:50am

re: #471 FemNaziBitch

I’ve read a couple of her books. They’re more like documentary-style affairs than hard science. Fairly light stuff, pretty fun.

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Great White Snark  Jul 19, 2015 • 11:13:54am

re: #462 Lidane

The cars are scrap metal, right?

Contract a scrap metal company to come and collect every burned out car on that freeway. Whatever they spend would come out to about the same amount as the city is wanting to charge these owners to tow the burned out husks of what used to be their cars.

Hindsight bias a bit here.
Sure given a few days or a couple weeks of planning ahead of time. But this was a first ever. Plus those wrecks must be properly disposed of that means manifests, licensed processing only. Not just Jim Bobs furnace.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 19, 2015 • 11:13:55am

re: #494 FemNaziBitch

Trump has his own ring in the Circus. Yet, he thinks he is ringmaster.

Yep. Gonna be interesting to see what happens after this. Normally, I’d think that this would ruin someone but after we saw him rise in the polls for the bigoted crap he said about Mexicans, I won’t be shocked if he isn’t politically hurt by this too much.

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Decatur Deb  Jul 19, 2015 • 11:15:33am

re: #496 Decatur Deb

I’ve posted this before. Here is how we acquire weapons:

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edit. It’s a Defense Acquisition University slide (The PowerPoint From Hell). Here is a discussion:


The more you know…

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HappyWarrior  Jul 19, 2015 • 11:16:11am

re: #495 Varek Raith

Or Max Cleland.

or John Kerry, speaking of which I thought Kerry gave the best defense of McCain of any statement I saw. He pointed out that McCain refused early release due to his admiral father. I’ve long respected Kerry but I thought that was very classy of him especially given the fact that McCain has trashed Kerry before and was silent on the nasty attacks made against Kerry in 2004.

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Dr. Matt  Jul 19, 2015 • 11:16:14am

It’s part of Jade Helm!!!!

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FemNaziBitch  Jul 19, 2015 • 11:18:00am

re: #496 Decatur Deb

I’ve posted this before. Here is how we acquire weapons:

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it won’t embiggen.

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Belafon  Jul 19, 2015 • 11:18:36am

“Income inequality is the great moral issue of our time.” That’s his early message.

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FemNaziBitch  Jul 19, 2015 • 11:18:50am

re: #497 Dr. Matt

And gold….never forget gold!

How could I forget —good old Bullion!

I bet they’d accept precious gemstones as well.

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scottslemmons  Jul 19, 2015 • 11:19:21am

re: #471 FemNaziBitch

Anyone heard of this science author? Mary Roach.

I don’t go in much for pop-sci, but my brother is a huge fan of her books.

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FemNaziBitch  Jul 19, 2015 • 11:19:28am

re: #498 Chan Kobun

I’ve read a couple of her books. They’re more like documentary-style affairs than hard science. Fairly light stuff, pretty fun.

Thanks, I might try one for 4.95.

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Decatur Deb  Jul 19, 2015 • 11:21:07am

re: #504 FemNaziBitch

it won’t embiggen.

Thank your deities.

There is a discussion in the USMC slideshow.

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Shiplord Kirel  Jul 19, 2015 • 11:21:09am

The Lost Cause vilified southern usionists as scalawags and traitors.
Unionism was much more prevalent in the Appalachian highlands, where there were fewer slaves, than in the planter dominated lowlands. I have always suspected that this had something to do with the later cultural vilification of the Appalachian hill people as ignorant hillbillies and inbreds.

Until well into the late 20th century, southern state governments treated the highland areas, the hotbeds of unionism, as though they didn’t exist, with systematic denial of public services, education, and legal protection. This was also true in the border state of Kentucky, where Confederate sympathizers gained power after Reconstruction and set up a regime that was more Secesh than the actual secessionists in many ways.

In the 1960s, when LBJ’s Great Society came along, the rest of the country became aware of the debased condition of “Appalachia,” and it became a national scandal. The eastern counties of Tennessee and Kentucky are still among the poorest and most backward areas in the country or, indeed, in any industrialized country.
There were other causes, of course, but I would welcome a study of the role of Lost Cause prejudice in the decline and impoverishment of southern Appalachia.

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wrenchwench  Jul 19, 2015 • 11:21:16am

re: #487 alpuzzzzz from Wisconsin

The reviews on Amazon are awesome. I loved this one(one star):

‘Do not buy this movie, unless you enjoy psychedelic drugs!!’

When I saw it, ya paid at the ticket box before you went in. I can’t remember the name of the theater, but it was made out of a swimming pool. The seats up front were in the deep end. I think some of my fellow viewers were enjoying psychedelic drugs.

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scottslemmons  Jul 19, 2015 • 11:22:33am

re: #492 HappyWarrior

It will be interesting to see. Obviously Trump’s opponents condemned it but it will be interesting to see how teh rank and file responds. After all, it was a Republican debate audience that booed the openly gay soldier and McCain has never been too popular with the GOP base. I expect some lost ground in the polls but not the lost ground that the establishment would want.

I got a call from my mom this morning, and she said their preacher (United Methodist, but in the most conservative county in Texas) had a sermon this morning that was almost entirely anti-Trump, thanks to his McCain comments.

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The Vicious Babushka  Jul 19, 2015 • 11:23:42am

Ben Shapiro has been retweeting this sicking MRA account==>

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Kragar  Jul 19, 2015 • 11:24:51am

Peter Cushing, model wargamer

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FemNaziBitch  Jul 19, 2015 • 11:25:32am

re: #510 Shiplord Kirel

The Lost Cause vilified southern usionists as scalawags and traitors.
Unionism was much more prevalent in the Appalachian highlands, where there were fewer slaves, than in the planter dominated lowlands. I have always suspected that this had something to do with the later cultural vilification of the Appalachian hill people as ignorant hillbillies and inbreds.

Until well into the late 20th century, southern state governments treated the highland areas, the hotbeds of unionism, as though they didn’t exist, with systematic denial of public services, education, and legal protection. This was also true in the border state of Kentucky, where Confederate sympathizers gained power after Reconstruction and set up a regime that was more Secesh than the actual secessionists in many ways.

In the 1960s, when LBJ’s Great Society came along, the rest of the country became aware of the debased condition of “Appalachia,” and it became a national scandal. The eastern counties of Tennessee and Kentucky are still among the poorest and most backward areas in the country or, indeed, in any industrialized country.
There were other causes, of course, but I would welcome a study of the role of Lost Cause prejudice in the decline and impoverishment of southern Appalachia.

Deliverance?

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Dr. Matt  Jul 19, 2015 • 11:25:42am

re: #513 The Vicious Babushka

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Decatur Deb  Jul 19, 2015 • 11:26:45am

re: #504 FemNaziBitch

it won’t embiggen.

If you’re into it, here is a good website on it. To be readable, the slide must cover a rather large wall.

defenseacquisitionenterprise.com

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FemNaziBitch  Jul 19, 2015 • 11:27:08am

Dissing McCain is two-edged sword. His service to this country has been life-long —that can’t be erased.

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ObserverArt  Jul 19, 2015 • 11:27:21am

re: #489 freetoken

Looks like the blowback for Trump, over his comments about McCain, is not letting up yet. I wonder how his numbers will be this time next week.

Well it is pretty clear the GOP establishment is going to do all they can to make this their biggest opportunity yet to blow a hole in the side of the S.S. Trump.

But if they can’t get the base to go along, it will be damaging as it says they have no control over their candidates and are to be ignored just like The Donald™ is ignoring them.

Very dangerous territory for the party. At the very least Reince Priebus has got to be wondering about his job or if even he wants it anymore. The money men gazillionairs have to be calling asking what is going on and what is going to be done about it. Will they start to withhold money knowing it could be throwing it all away?

I sure would love to interview someone like good ol’ Dick Armey. He was one of the big TeaParty enablers and help lay the astroturf. I wonder how he feels all about that now. I wonder how others in the GOP feels about him.

I bet it is great times at the RNC. I’d love to hear some of the conversations, the strategy meetings, the phone calls, the tweets and emails. Gotta be hot!

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freetoken  Jul 19, 2015 • 11:29:14am

Meanwhile, deep into the heart of Je$u$-territory:

Tennessee Teen Production of Rent Goes on Despite Clergy Opposition - Exclusive Interview with Director

In a scenario out of Footloose, a Tullahoma clergyman tried to unite local church leaders in opposition to a production of the musical Rent, performed by a mostly teen-aged cast from a group called PACT (Performing Arts for Children and Teens) at the South Jackson Civic Center, staged by freelance director Robert Allen, who lives in the community.

In the days before the July 10 opening, James Zidan, pastor of the local Methodist church in Tullahoma, published an open letter to his congregation, showing information about the upcoming production of Rent. Another clergyman, Pastor Wayne Wester, responded, “Do you agree with me and many of my fellow Pastors and concerned parents that this is inappropriate for such a group? If you do…speak up about it! If you don’t…shame on you. Jesus should be our moral compass, especially for our young people to see from adults.” The message was distributed via email to several other church leaders in the area.

Two adult volunteers on the production resigned and participants found themselves on the receiving end of “unpleasant invective” from friends and family members about their participation.

Allen applied for permission from MTI, the stock and amateur rights holder, for permission to cut the song “Contact.” Permission reportedly was received.

Despite the letter, PACT’s board decided to go on with performances that continue this weekend, through July 18. The only outward protest was a prayer circle of three to four people outside the theatre on opening night.[…]

The Tony and Pulitzer Prize-winning 1996 Jonathan Larson musical has drawn opposition previously, dealing as it does openly with homosexuality and AIDS. […]

[And in interviewing the local producer:]

I have choreographed Jim in a production of Anything Goes for the local college, during which he expressed similar concerns as to the sexuality of the composer and the content of the show. […]

Did you hear from him or the others area pastors in the days leading up to the opening or since then? What did they say about this production?

I did not. Aside from some random pops on Facebook, nothing was said in the entire year as we move towards the production. The SCOTUS decision [allowing gay marriage] really fanned the flames. Nobody from the concerned communities has approached me directly except for the letter from the professor at the local college. And of course they wouldn’t. I’m a sinner.

[…]

No, I wouldn’t want to live in TN. Not to offend any of you living there, but I just wouldn’t.

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FemNaziBitch  Jul 19, 2015 • 11:29:49am

re: #517 Decatur Deb

If you’re into it, here is a good website on it. To be readable, the slide must cover a rather large wall.

defenseacquisitionenterprise.com

I’m not into it. I just can’t absorb much more right now.

The house is still in disarray from much needed rehabbing —We can’t cook much more than coffee and microwave dinners. I have to start my new car by pusing a button and it is FREAKING hot in my part of the world.

the humidity has wilted my brain.

I’m also going crazy trying to find salvage solid surface coutertop. I need a slab approx 70” x 25” for my powder room and I’m not buying new and paying full price!

I got a new vanity for $20 at a salvage yard, but need a topper.

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FemNaziBitch  Jul 19, 2015 • 11:29:54am

bbl

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Great White Snark  Jul 19, 2015 • 11:30:36am

re: #496 Decatur Deb

I’ve posted this before. Here is how we acquire weapons:

Embedded Image

It’s amazing we get anything that works. We do have an oversize budget we may not have an oversize military. the difference being once you remove the waste, the mistakes, the frauds the uber admin our budget is the same as the other superpowers. Or less!
///

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ObserverArt  Jul 19, 2015 • 11:30:46am

re: #494 FemNaziBitch

Trump has his own ring in the Circus. Yet, he thinks he is ringmaster.

In a way, and at this time, he is. He took over the whole show when no one was watching the animals and freaks.

/

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jaunte  Jul 19, 2015 • 11:32:07am

re: #518 FemNaziBitch

Dissing McCain is two-edged sword. His service to this country has been life-long —that can’t be erased.

I just wish the reporter had been quick enough to ask him what he thought of McCain picking Palin as a running mate.

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wrenchwench  Jul 19, 2015 • 11:32:09am
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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jul 19, 2015 • 11:32:42am

re: #510 Shiplord Kirel

….In the 1960s, when LBJ’s Great Society came along, the rest of the country became aware of the debased condition of “Appalachia,” and it became a national scandal. The eastern counties of Tennessee and Kentucky are still among the poorest and most backward ares in the country or, indeed, in any industrialized country.
There were other causes, of course, but I would welcome a study of the role of Lost Cause prejudice in the decline and impoverishment of southern Appalachia.

Boeing would get a lump sum for everybody they hired from Appalachia, so they’d ship some in, keep them on for six months, lay them off, and then ship in a fresh batch for more money—rinse and repeat.

A lot of people from North Carolina settled in Darrington—Everything is “Tarheel This” and “Tarheel That”. Still probably outnumber the original locals.

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Dr. Matt  Jul 19, 2015 • 11:32:44am

Wow.

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Decatur Deb  Jul 19, 2015 • 11:33:03am

re: #521 FemNaziBitch

I’m not into it. I just can’t absorb much more right now.

The house is still in disarray from much needed rehabbing —We can’t cook much more than coffee and microwave dinners. I have to start my new car by pusing a button and it is FREAKING hot in my part of the world.

the humidity has wilted my brain.

I’m also going crazy trying to find salvage solid surface coutertop. I need a slab approx 70” x 25” for my powder room and I’m not buying new and paying full price!

I got a new vanity for $20 at a salvage yard, but need a topper.

Trust me—quit while you’re ahead. Reading that slide is the course content for a two-week stay at Ft. Belvoir.

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jaunte  Jul 19, 2015 • 11:33:46am

re: #528 Dr. Matt

He might as well have just said “don’t bother, I’m a troll.”

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wrenchwench  Jul 19, 2015 • 11:33:59am

re: #525 jaunte

I just wish the reporter had been quick enough to ask him what he thought of McCain picking Palin as a running mate.

The last McCain supporter I asked about that said, ‘The party picked her, not him.’

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jaunte  Jul 19, 2015 • 11:34:44am

re: #531 wrenchwench

I’m looking forward to some internecine fighting between Trump supporters.

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Timothy Watson  Jul 19, 2015 • 11:34:50am

re: #528 Dr. Matt

Wow.

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Let me guess, he also supports Austrian School economics.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 19, 2015 • 11:35:49am

re: #531 wrenchwench

The last McCain supporter I asked about that said, ‘The party picked her, not him.’

I’m amused by that narrative. It’s presented as McCain could have either chosen Lieberman and get the base pissed off go along with Palin and get the base’s love. I don’t believe that for a second.

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freetoken  Jul 19, 2015 • 11:36:04am

re: #528 Dr. Matt

He sounds like he needs help.

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JadeHelmCurious  Jul 19, 2015 • 11:36:14am
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Dr. Matt  Jul 19, 2015 • 11:36:39am

re: #535 freetoken

He sounds like he needs help.

Of course he does. He’s an MRA.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 19, 2015 • 11:36:42am

re: #530 jaunte

He might as well have just said “don’t bother, I’m a troll.”

Or “I’m The Mulai”.

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freetoken  Jul 19, 2015 • 11:38:03am
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Dr. Matt  Jul 19, 2015 • 11:38:29am

re: #538 Backwoods_Sleuth

Or “I’m The Mulai”.

What happened to that one? Did it retreat to the stalker blog to receive “glory”?

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ObserverArt  Jul 19, 2015 • 11:38:39am

re: #513 The Vicious Babushka

Ben Shapiro has been retweeting this sicking MRA account==>

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Oh, he looks like a real piece of work.

It is fascinating reading some of the Tweet headers.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 19, 2015 • 11:39:05am

re: #540 Dr. Matt

What happened to that one? Did it retreat to the stalker blog to receive “glory”?

Probably. But it will no doubt be back again.

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wrenchwench  Jul 19, 2015 • 11:39:17am

re: #536 JadeHelmCurious

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You were good on Twitter. Have an upding.

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The Vicious Babushka  Jul 19, 2015 • 11:40:43am

re: #528 Dr. Matt

Wow.

[Embedded content]

It’s a “parody” account, which means it tweets out the most disgusting sexist, racist & homophobic shit and then says it’s “satire”

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Dr. Matt  Jul 19, 2015 • 11:41:26am

re: #544 The Vicious Babushka

It’s a “parody” account, which means it tweets out the most disgusting sexist, racist & homophobic shit and then says it’s “satire”

In other words, right-wingers love it.

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Decatur Deb  Jul 19, 2015 • 11:41:57am

The moment’s top story on Google News ranking:

Bill Cosby Paid to Keep Affairs Secret: Deposition

Sorry, but Cosby’s aging dick is not the biggest problem facing the nation. Leave his bone to the wife and lawyers.

547
freetoken  Jul 19, 2015 • 11:42:34am

Hot and humid here today. Yesterday’s rain now means the humidity now is a killer. The tropical air mass that was once Dolores sure is different from our typical desert climate.

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Kid A  Jul 19, 2015 • 11:43:38am

re: #497 Dr. Matt

And gold….never forget gold!

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#FergusonFireside  Jul 19, 2015 • 11:44:32am

re: #547 freetoken

Hot and humid here today. Yesterday’s rain now means the humidity now is a killer. The tropical air mass that was once Dolores sure is different from our typical desert climate.

It is horrible. I need to clean off my patio. Gonna wait till 9pm.

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wrenchwench  Jul 19, 2015 • 11:45:11am
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Great White Snark  Jul 19, 2015 • 11:45:40am

re: #526 wrenchwench

Oh I gotta track that person down and get permission to use that clip. I have a short i’m working on which could so use that. Don’t have Instagram. Until maybe in a few…

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JadeHelmCurious  Jul 19, 2015 • 11:46:08am

re: #543 wrenchwench

You were good on Twitter. Have an upding.

Thanks WW. At another time and place I may have fallen into that trap.

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wrenchwench  Jul 19, 2015 • 11:47:27am

re: #552 JadeHelmCurious

Thanks WW. At another time and place I may have fallen into that trap.

Someone commenting on the same thing at the same time as you did fall.

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wrenchwench  Jul 19, 2015 • 11:47:45am

Just made you look better.

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jaunte  Jul 19, 2015 • 11:54:09am

South Carolina “Heritage”:

“…The Loyal White Knights, a North Carolina-based group thought to be the largest KKK faction, scheduled the protest to stop the removal of the flag.”
theguardian.com

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Shiplord Kirel  Jul 19, 2015 • 11:54:33am

re: #403 Lidane

I had thought that Trump’s comments about McCain would be a bridge too far for the right. That some shred of decency would remain and they’d denounce Trump en masse and move forward to focusing on the serious presidential candidates. Nope. The GOP base loves this stuff. Trump’s more popular than ever. The Freepers, for example, are actively cheering him on:

Congratulations, Republicans. You built this.

I am frankly glad to see the seditious gun humpers and chickenhawk grifters abandon their “support our troops” bullshit. This allows them to revert to their natural and historical position of regarding the Union army as a hostile and oppressive occupying force. It clarifies the issues quite a bit and reduces the overall level of cognitive dissonance.

557
Great White Snark  Jul 19, 2015 • 11:55:51am

Oh crap, and this relates to conversation above. This has got to stop.

Drones Keep Firefighters From Saving Burning Cars in California Wildfire

petapixel.com

A wildfire tore through Southern California’s Cajon Pass yesterday, crossing a freeway and engulfing a number of cars in its path. Now authorities are saying that firefighters could have done more to save cars and homes… were it not for multiple drones getting in the way of firefighting operations.

NBC Southern California is reporting that at least five drones — presumably being used to shoot aerial photos and videos — were spotted over the fire, causing all five firefighting air units in the area to jettison their loads and return to their airports.

Two of the drones actually started chasing the air units, says NBC So Cal, and the pilots’ actions ended up delaying rescue response by about 20 minutes. The fire ended up destroying five homes and more than a dozen cars.

I nominate them to kick in on everyone’s tow bill as partly responsible.

558
Dr. Matt  Jul 19, 2015 • 11:56:01am

re: #555 jaunte

South Carolina “Heritage”:

Embedded Image

And “tradition”…..and “pride”

559
CuriousLurker  Jul 19, 2015 • 11:57:49am

re: #528 Dr. Matt

re: #544 The Vicious Babushka

VB is correct, I quickly googled him because his name, profile info, and tweets seemed a bit too over the top to be real.

Star Wars is ‘unbelievably racist’, claims hoaxer on BBC radio

Just another garden variety attention-seeking troll. Who knew there were so many of them?

560
freetoken  Jul 19, 2015 • 11:58:59am

June was a very hot month:

Image: nmaps.gif

561
Chan Kobun  Jul 19, 2015 • 11:59:36am

Alex Rocco, mobster Moe Greene in ‘The Godfather,’ dies at 79

I mostly know him for his work as Roger Meyers, Jr. on The Simpsons. Yet more sad news.

562
HappyWarrior  Jul 19, 2015 • 11:59:46am

re: #555 jaunte

South Carolina “Heritage”:

Embedded Image

Is his tattoo in Germanish? Says Die Juden. But “die” in German is the. Fucking Nazi assholes.

563
Kid A  Jul 19, 2015 • 11:59:48am

re: #555 jaunte

South Carolina “Heritage”:

Embedded Image

HERITAGE, NOT HATE!!!

564
Belafon  Jul 19, 2015 • 11:59:55am

He did just mention Sandra Bland in the context of that we still have a long way to go on ending racism.

565
HappyWarrior  Jul 19, 2015 • 12:00:22pm

re: #561 Chan Kobun

Alex Rocco, mobster Moe Greene in ‘The Godfather,’ dies at 79

I mostly know him for his work as Roger Meyers, Jr. on The Simpsons. Yet more sad news.

Damn. Loved him as Moe and Roger Meyers, Jr.

566
Chan Kobun  Jul 19, 2015 • 12:02:23pm

I realize now that I had heard him more recently in something - Batman: Year One.
Video

567
Belafon  Jul 19, 2015 • 12:02:36pm

Big cheer from the crowd on taking care of veterans.

568
CuriousLurker  Jul 19, 2015 • 12:03:10pm

re: #562 HappyWarrior

Is his tattoo in Germanish? Says Die Juden. But “die” in German is the. Fucking Nazi assholes.

Looks like it’s just half of whatever nasty statement he has tattooed on his chest, the other half being over the other wing of the bird, so “… die Juden.”

569
Kid A  Jul 19, 2015 • 12:04:16pm

re: #568 CuriousLurker

“Juden” is German for “Jew,” correct?

570
HappyWarrior  Jul 19, 2015 • 12:05:30pm

re: #569 Kid A

“Juden” is German for “Jew,” correct?

Yes. And CL good catch.

571
CuriousLurker  Jul 19, 2015 • 12:05:33pm

re: #569 Kid A

“Juden” is German for “Jew,” correct?

Yes, plural, I believe—Jews.

572
The Vicious Babushka  Jul 19, 2015 • 12:05:43pm

re: #569 Kid A

“Juden” is German for “Jew,” correct?

Die Juden=”The Jews”

But this dipshit probably thinks it means Die, Jews!

573
wrenchwench  Jul 19, 2015 • 12:07:11pm
574
HappyWarrior  Jul 19, 2015 • 12:07:36pm

Well since Alex Rocco died and his character Roger Meyers, Jr on the Simpsons was brought up. I’m reminded of when Sideshow Bob came up for parole and he had a “Die Bart, Die” tattoo which he explained was German- “It means the Bart, the.” One of the parole board members says “No one who speaks German could be a bad man.”

575
Decatur Deb  Jul 19, 2015 • 12:09:00pm

re: #568 CuriousLurker

Looks like it’s just half of whatever nasty statement he has tattooed on his chest, the other half being over the other wing of the bird, so “… die Juden.”

Other shoulder is probably not “Give chocolates to…”

576
Dr. Matt  Jul 19, 2015 • 12:09:06pm

re: #561 Chan Kobun

Alex Rocco, mobster Moe Greene in ‘The Godfather,’ dies at 79

I mostly know him for his work as Roger Meyers, Jr. on The Simpsons. Yet more sad news.

577
Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 19, 2015 • 12:10:17pm

re: #555 jaunte

South Carolina “Heritage”:

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Here’s another photo of him:

It’s Photo 8 at 20min.ch

578
Kid A  Jul 19, 2015 • 12:10:58pm

re: #576 Dr. Matt

“I made my bones when you were going out with cheerleaders.”

579
Decatur Deb  Jul 19, 2015 • 12:10:59pm

re: #577 Backwoods_Sleuth

Here’s another photo of him:

[Embedded content]

It’s Photo 8 at 20min.ch

Should have those moles looked at.

580
Kid A  Jul 19, 2015 • 12:12:37pm

re: #577 Backwoods_Sleuth

I’m sure his mother is so proud.

581
wrenchwench  Jul 19, 2015 • 12:13:15pm

re: #577 Backwoods_Sleuth

Here’s another photo of him:

[Embedded content]

It’s Photo 8 at 20min.ch

He can’t even spell Ikea right!

///

582
Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 19, 2015 • 12:13:29pm

re: #581 wrenchwench

He can’t even spell Ikea right1

///

lol!

583
Targetpractice  Jul 19, 2015 • 12:13:50pm

“We are not like the Nazis! The flag is a symbol of heritage…and pride…and, GODDAMNIT, BILLY RAY! PUT YOUR DAMN SHIRT ON!!!”

584
Shiplord Kirel  Jul 19, 2015 • 12:14:21pm

re: #557 Great White Snark

Oh crap, and this relates to conversation above. This has got to stop.

Drones Keep Firefighters From Saving Burning Cars in California Wildfire

petapixel.com

I nominate them to kick in on everyone’s tow bill as partly responsible.

Interfering with a firefighting operation is a felony. With a little preparation and possibly some ELINT help from the feds, it should be easy to locate the drone controllers and arrest them next time it happens. Five figure fines and large civil suits should result. If anyone dies or is injured because of this nonsense, prison time would be in order.

585
HappyWarrior  Jul 19, 2015 • 12:15:42pm

Well we know they’re obviously liberals judging by their Nazi love.//

586
jaunte  Jul 19, 2015 • 12:18:17pm

re: #585 HappyWarrior

I wonder if they’ve heard of that Pink Swastika book.
Well, its a book.
Nevermind.

587
CuriousLurker  Jul 19, 2015 • 12:19:27pm

re: #585 HappyWarrior

Well we know they’re obviously liberals judging by their Nazi love.//

Gaystappo!! Pink jackboots, rainbow flag, socialists, etc. …

588
HappyWarrior  Jul 19, 2015 • 12:20:28pm

re: #586 jaunte

I wonder if they’ve heard of that Pink Swastika book.
Well, its a book.
Nevermind.

re: #587 CuriousLurker

Gaystappo!! Pink jackboots, rainbow flag, socialists, etc. …

But of course!

589
Decatur Deb  Jul 19, 2015 • 12:21:40pm

New Jersey opened its first Bitcoin ATM today. It’s in:

a. A Goldman-Sachs branch.
b. The Princeton Economics department cafeteria.
c. A head shop.
d. A pizzeria that makes few, but delicious, pizzas.

nj.com

590
The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jul 19, 2015 • 12:23:46pm

re: #589 Decatur Deb

New Jersey opened its first Bitcoin ATM today. It’s in:

a. A Goldman-Sachs branch.
b. The Princeton Economics department cafeteria.
c. A head shop.
d. A pizzeria that makes few, but delicious, pizzas.

I’m looking forward to the collapse on that—at least tulips were pretty!

591
wrenchwench  Jul 19, 2015 • 12:24:00pm

re: #589 Decatur Deb

New Jersey opened its first Bitcoin ATM today. It’s in:

a. A Goldman-Sachs branch.
b. The Princeton Economics department cafeteria.
c. A head shop.
d. A pizzeria that makes few, but delicious, pizzas.

Somebody’s being graded on it.

592
Kid A  Jul 19, 2015 • 12:24:21pm

Comment on Chump’s Facebook page:

Present Administration has caused more unrest and moral decline than any other in the history of America.

3,925 likes.

593
Decatur Deb  Jul 19, 2015 • 12:24:35pm

re: #591 wrenchwench

Somebody’s being graded on it.

Edited in the answer/link.

594
Chan Kobun  Jul 19, 2015 • 12:24:49pm

re: #589 Decatur Deb

New Jersey opened its first Bitcoin ATM today. It’s in:

a. A Goldman-Sachs branch.
b. The Princeton Economics department cafeteria.
c. A head shop.
d. A pizzeria that makes few, but delicious, pizzas.

nj.com

TO THE MUN!

595
Decatur Deb  Jul 19, 2015 • 12:26:07pm

re: #594 Chan Kobun

TO THE MUN!

Kerbal?

596
CuriousLurker  Jul 19, 2015 • 12:26:12pm

re: #589 Decatur Deb

LOL! I guessed head shop.

597
Kid A  Jul 19, 2015 • 12:26:20pm
I was a democrat thanks to you I’m a republican now or whatever you are, keep being awesome!!!

2,930 likes.

598
Kid A  Jul 19, 2015 • 12:27:00pm

re: #589 Decatur Deb

New Jersey opened its first Bitcoin ATM today. It’s in:

a. A Goldman-Sachs branch.
b. The Princeton Economics department cafeteria.
c. A head shop.
d. A pizzeria that makes few, but delicious, pizzas.

nj.com

E. Satriale’s

599
Decatur Deb  Jul 19, 2015 • 12:27:38pm

re: #598 Kid A

E. Satriale’s

Tony don’t take no bitcoin.

600
wrenchwench  Jul 19, 2015 • 12:27:55pm

re: #589 Decatur Deb

New Jersey opened its first Bitcoin ATM today. It’s in:

a. A Goldman-Sachs branch.
b. The Princeton Economics department cafeteria.
c. A head shop.
d. A pizzeria that makes few, but delicious, pizzas.

nj.com

From there:

“I’m not going to count my chickens before they’ve hatched,” he said when asked if he thought the machine would bring in more customers, but he’d “definitely” recommend other businesses installing them.

…because he gets a finder’s fee.

601
Jenner7  Jul 19, 2015 • 12:30:15pm

colbertlateshow.com

This is great….

602
Amory Blaine  Jul 19, 2015 • 12:30:21pm

re: #571 CuriousLurker

If you look across his chest it says murder.

603
Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 19, 2015 • 12:30:34pm
604
Chan Kobun  Jul 19, 2015 • 12:30:53pm

re: #595 Decatur Deb

Buttcoiners like to say that the price is going to the moon Any Day Now(TM), so it’s only natural to mock them with KSP.

605
Decatur Deb  Jul 19, 2015 • 12:32:17pm

re: #604 Chan Kobun

Buttcoiners like to say that the price is going to the moon Any Day Now(TM), so it’s only natural to mock them with KSP.

606
The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jul 19, 2015 • 12:33:43pm

re: #604 Chan Kobun

Buttcoiners like to say that the price is going to the moon Any Day Now(TM), so it’s only natural to mock them with KSP.

Bitcoin reminds me of Jerry Seinfeld talking about checks: “I have these pieces of paper…I wrote my name on these. Is this of any value at all…?”

607
CuriousLurker  Jul 19, 2015 • 12:38:20pm

re: #577 Backwoods_Sleuth

Here’s another photo of him:

[Embedded content]

It’s Photo 8 at 20min.ch

Gotta love how he’s got that big honking crucifix hanging over the Nazi hate tattoo (the necklace appears to have it hanging down his back in the first pic—maybe he didn’t want it covering up the tattoo he seems so proud of). Oddly enough, I doubt anyone will assume all Christians are Nazis based on that shit. If he belonged to a religious or racial minority, the whole group would bear the blame.

608
CuriousLurker  Jul 19, 2015 • 12:45:06pm

re: #602 Amory Blaine

If you look across his chest it says murder.

As I figured in my #568 then. Even if I could’ve seen the other half clearly I would’ve had tp put it through a translator. I took one year of German in high school back in the ’70s, so I never knew much to begin with (and I remember even less).

609
CleverToad  Jul 19, 2015 • 2:39:43pm

Happy dance, my internet is working again in time to be able to read this thread. (Went out about six o’clock yesterday, there have been major withdrawal symptoms in this household.) Don’t know if it will last long enough to read 600+ comments, but wanted to say that one upding is not sufficient for Chuck Jones. Needs lots and lots more.

Two favorite memories out of very many, from a lifetime of watching Chuck’s work:
Listening to a room-full of science fiction fans bellowing “Kill the Rabbit!” at top volume.

Watching my preschooler sneak elaborately down the hallway and turn to put a finger to his lips, and tell me, “Be very twiet, I am hunting Dwandma…”

610
darthstar  Jul 19, 2015 • 3:15:55pm

re: #429 Amory Blaine

That isn’t a $650 tow job it’s crooked. There are a mass of completely destroyed vehicles in one place that could be cleaned up with a front end loader and some roll-off trucks.

My brother had a front end loader. Damn that thing was fun…and it was amazing how much you could do with it…

611
Viscous Obama  Jul 19, 2015 • 3:35:26pm

It’s a shame that I missed this thread earlier, but Chuck Jones cartoons had such wonderfully intelligent timing. His most timeless work is from 1948 to the first Warner studio shutdown, and his best cartoons were enhanced by a killer animation team. Background and layout artists Robert Gribboek and Peter Alvarado are unfairly overshadowed by Maurice Noble and Phil DeGuard, who also did wonderful work.


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