Rick Perry vs. Donald Trump: “The Modern-Day Incarnation of the Know-Nothing Movement”

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If you’ve read Little Green Footballs much, you know I’m no fan of former Texas Governor Rick Perry and his brand of “aw shucks” reactionary conservatism. He’s a creationist, he’s a religious fanatic, he’s rabidly anti-choice, he spews anti-Muslim bigotry on cue like most Republicans. In short, he’s a prototypical right wing caveman.

And now he’s having a massive dude fight with the new caveman on the block, Donald Trump. And that means hilarity, for me and you. Today he gave a speech just slamming the hell out of Trump, calling him “a cancer on conservatism,” among other fun things.

The White House has been occupied by giants. But from time to time it is sought by the small-minded - divisive figures propelled by anger, and appealing to the worst instincts in the human condition.

In times of trouble, there are two types of leaders: repairers of the breach and sowers of discord.

The sower of discord foments agitation, thrives on division, scapegoats certain elements of society, and offers empty platitudes and promises. He is without substance when one scratches below the surface.

He offers a barking carnival act that can be best described as Trumpism: a toxic mix of demagoguery, mean-spiritedness and nonsense that will lead the Republican Party to perdition if pursued.

Let no one be mistaken - Donald Trump’s candidacy is a cancer on conservatism, and it must be clearly diagnosed, excised and discarded.

It cannot be pacified or ignored, for it will destroy a set of principles that has lifted more people out of poverty than any force in the history of the civilized world - the cause of conservatism.

But wait — he isn’t finished yet!

In the 1840’s the “Know Nothings” emerged as a political movement, scapegoating Irish and German immigrants for the problems of the nation.

They were obsessively anti-Catholic, so much so that when the Pope sent marble for the building of the Washington Monument, they smashed it to pieces and helped delay its construction for 35 years.

These people built nothing, created nothing. They existed to cast blame and tear down certain institutions. To give outlet to anger.

Donald Trump is the modern-day incarnation of the know-nothing movement.

He espouses nativism, not conservatism. He is negative when conservatism is inherently optimistic.

He would divide us along bloodlines, when conservatives believe our policies will work for people of all backgrounds.

He has piqued the interest of some Republican voters who have legitimate concerns about a porous border and broken immigration system. But instead of offering those voters leadership or solutions, he has offered fear and soundbites. This cannot stand.

Oh yes, this does my heart good to see the Donald ripping the Republican Party apart at the seams. But make no mistake, what’s really galling people like Rick Perry is that Trump says what the GOP really believes and stands for — just a teensy bit too openly. And so far, he’s winning with that ugly message.

The Republican Party created this Frankenstein’s monster, with years of xenophobic rhetoric and appeals to ignorance. Now he’s at the door, wanting his cookie from the creationists and climate change deniers. The “Know Nothing” party, indeed.

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249 comments
1
Blind Frog Belly White  Jul 22, 2015 • 5:16:21pm

“God-dangit, I just spent a couple hundred dollars on these glasses to look smarter, and here comes Trump gettin’ all the attention by being dumber than I am!”

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Higgs Boson's Mate  Jul 22, 2015 • 5:19:12pm
But from time to time it is sought by the small-minded - divisive figures propelled by anger, and appealing to the worst instincts in the human condition.

And in other news, Introspection was buried beside Irony today in a private ceremony.

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A Cranky One  Jul 22, 2015 • 5:20:02pm
In times of trouble, there are two types of leaders: repairers of the breach and sowers of discord.

The sower of discord foments agitation, thrives on division, scapegoats certain elements of society, and offers empty platitudes and promises. He is without substance when one scratches below the surface.

He offers a barking carnival act that can be best described as Trumpism: a toxic mix of demagoguery, mean-spiritedness and nonsense that will lead the Republican Party to perdition if pursued.

Ummmm….didn’t he just describe the entire Republican clown car?

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Decatur Deb  Jul 22, 2015 • 5:21:09pm

Strangest part of the speech excerpts—no mention that Trump is somehow Obama’s fault.

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Chan Kobun  Jul 22, 2015 • 5:22:46pm

Donald Trump is not “a cancer on conservatism”, he is conservatism’s id unleashed.
He is every nasty thought a gap-toothed hillbilly has about brown people in his neighborhood.
He is every middle-class asshole who flees the city because it’s too “urban”.
He is every rich prick who wonders why he should ever have to give to charity because he thinks the poor must have done something to deserve it.
He is every blood-drunk rightist pundit who beats the drums of war and shouts down any who oppose as “cowardly” and “appeasers”.
He is every racist codeword and dogwhistle.
He is every thought traded in private between “just us” in the conservative circles that would get them flayed alive in public.
He is every latent desire for cleansing by police brutality, infighting, or “pre-emptive war” of every group of people the right wants to see disappear.

Donald Trump is not “a cancer on conservatism”. DONALD TRUMP IS CONSERVATISM.

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A Cranky One  Jul 22, 2015 • 5:23:04pm

Just went to the home page only to have Trump and Perry jump out at me! Ouch. ;)

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stpaulbear  Jul 22, 2015 • 5:25:06pm
These people built nothing, created nothing. They existed to cast blame and tear down certain institutions. To give outlet to anger.

Well you have to admit that he’s completely nailed the definition of the US Congress and most of the Senate for the last 4 years.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 22, 2015 • 5:26:19pm
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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Jul 22, 2015 • 5:27:12pm

seen on the innertubes

Dear Pro-Family American,

The radical homosexuals claim you and other pro-Family Americans actually now support same-sex marriage, special job preferences for homosexuals and promotion of the homosexual lifestyle in schools.

Is it true? What do you say?

Your American Morality Survey is coded and specially registered in your name.

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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Jul 22, 2015 • 5:28:47pm

The sower of discord foments agitation, thrives on division, scapegoats certain elements of society, and offers empty platitudes and promises.

but… but… but…

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HappyWarrior  Jul 22, 2015 • 5:29:39pm

re: #5 Chan Kobun

Donald Trump is not “a cancer on conservatism”, he is conservatism’s id unleashed.
He is every nasty thought a gap-toothed hillbilly has about brown people in his neighborhood.
He is every middle-class asshole who flees the city because it’s too “urban”.
He is every rich prick who wonders why he should ever have to give to charity because he thinks the poor must have done something to deserve it.
He is every blood-drunk rightist pundit who beats the drums of war and shouts down any who oppose as “cowardly” and “appeasers”.
He is every racist codeword and dogwhistle.
He is every thought traded in private between “just us” in the conservative circles that would get them flayed alive in public.
He is every latent desire for cleansing by police brutality, infighting, or “pre-emptive war” of every group of people the right wants to see disappear.

Donald Trump is not “a cancer on conservatism”. DONALD TRUMP IS CONSERVATISM.

Exactly.

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JadeHelmCurious  Jul 22, 2015 • 5:29:40pm

I love saying rrrrraaadical homosexuals. Sounds extra sinister.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jul 22, 2015 • 5:31:00pm

Since parties can never change (TEH CONFEDRIT FALG IS DEMOCART FLAG!!!), I take it that Perry is aware that the Republican Party was formed by an amalgamation of the rump Whig Party (after cotton capitalists became Democrats instead), the Know-Nothing Party, and the Anti-Masonic Party. Right?

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EPR-radar  Jul 22, 2015 • 5:31:12pm

re: #5 Chan Kobun

…

Donald Trump is not “a cancer on conservatism”. DONALD TRUMP IS CONSERVATISM.

Bingo. Exactamundo.

This is why it is going to be such rare entertainment to see how the GOP establishment tries to deal with Trumpzilla. What can the establishment possibly do in a serious attempt to counter Trump that won’t piss off the GOP base?

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teleskiguy  Jul 22, 2015 • 5:32:13pm

Hey Alouette!

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stpaulbear  Jul 22, 2015 • 5:33:05pm

I just made my first purchase on Amazon using the ‘AmazonSmile’ program to donate to the Planned Parenthood of MN/SD/ND. Thanks to whoever it was at LGF that mentioned it over the weekend. I’m actually pretty glad that ND & SD are included in the donation. People really need the help there.

I should probably make a real donation too, but I like that a giant corporation like Amazon knows that I want to support PP.

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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Jul 22, 2015 • 5:34:10pm

looming fox debate bids fair to rip the party in two like a pair of worn out underpants

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teleskiguy  Jul 22, 2015 • 5:34:22pm

National Review is on the case.

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ObserverArt  Jul 22, 2015 • 5:34:41pm

re: #6 A Cranky One

Just went to the home page only to have Trump and Perry jump out at me! Ouch. ;)

Clowns are scary like that.

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Higgs Boson's Mate  Jul 22, 2015 • 5:35:13pm

The Republican leadership was very pleased when the rage machine they’d so carefully shepherded along became self-sustaining during the last decade or so. Being Republicans, they forgot the brakes and the off switch.

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stpaulbear  Jul 22, 2015 • 5:36:17pm

re: #17 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸

looming fox debate bids fair to rip the party in two like a pair of worn out underpants

Is Perry even in the top 10?

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ObserverArt  Jul 22, 2015 • 5:36:18pm

re: #8 Backwoods_Sleuth

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I wonder if the kitteh’s name is Quint?

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Charles Johnson  Jul 22, 2015 • 5:37:08pm
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HappyWarrior  Jul 22, 2015 • 5:38:41pm

re: #18 teleskiguy

National Review is on the case.

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I bet NRO is outraged that Perry insulted McCarthy by comparing him to Trump.

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Charles Johnson  Jul 22, 2015 • 5:40:46pm
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HappyWarrior  Jul 22, 2015 • 5:40:56pm

I am pretty amused though that Perry is feigning outrage. Really dude All Trump does is what many in your party are too chickenshit to say aloud to the media.

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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Jul 22, 2015 • 5:43:57pm

every time onna these republicans rips into trump he gets put right into the ‘i will never vote for you even if you are running against fidel castro’ category by the republican base

how far will it go?

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Charles Johnson  Jul 22, 2015 • 5:46:38pm
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The Vicious Babushka  Jul 22, 2015 • 5:47:09pm

There is something I just noticed about Donald’s hair, and now I can’t “unsee” it.

Why is his head so flat? It’s like the top of his skull was sawed off and a bunch of hair planted over it, like Joe Dirt.

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teleskiguy  Jul 22, 2015 • 5:47:56pm

Here’s the latest clown car occupant list.

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Higgs Boson's Mate  Jul 22, 2015 • 5:48:10pm

re: #27 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸

It will go on until the head of Jen-Paul Marat is held aloft by the executioner for the edification of the mob.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 22, 2015 • 5:49:40pm

re: #30 teleskiguy

Here’s the latest clown car occupant list.

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So many running and I would not be shocked if a few more entered before the end of the summer.

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stpaulbear  Jul 22, 2015 • 5:50:17pm

re: #27 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸

every time onna these republicans rips into trump he gets put right into the ‘i will never vote for you even if you are running against fidel castro’ category by the republican base

how far will it go?

It’ll go right up to election day when they’ll crawl over broken glass to keep the heathens from taking office.

Image: david-horsey-cartoon-2014-elections-squishy-Democrats.jpg

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Higgs Boson's Mate  Jul 22, 2015 • 5:51:45pm

re: #30 teleskiguy

This Republican contest will generate lots of Santorum all right.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 22, 2015 • 5:53:25pm

re: #33 stpaulbear

It’ll go right up to election day when they’ll crawl over broken glass to keep the heathens from taking office.

Image: david-horsey-cartoon-2014-elections-squishy-Democrats.jpg

That cartoon is sad but true. The Dem base really needs to learn to come out in ALL elections. If they did that, we wouldn’t have the Tea Party wave of 2010 or the GOP gain the Senate in 2014.

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CuriousLurker  Jul 22, 2015 • 5:53:37pm

re: #14 EPR-radar

Trumpzilla

I am SO using that from now on.

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Dave In Austin  Jul 22, 2015 • 5:53:50pm

re: #34 Higgs Boson’s Mate

Speaking of which. I guess Frothy”s on Rachel tonite or tomorrow.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jul 22, 2015 • 5:54:17pm

re: #32 HappyWarrior

So many running and I would not be shocked if a few more entered before the end of the summer.

DEEP BENCH!!

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Charles Johnson  Jul 22, 2015 • 5:54:40pm
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HappyWarrior  Jul 22, 2015 • 5:55:02pm

re: #38 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

DEEP BENCH!!

Now playing quarterback, Babe Ruth.

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Targetpractice  Jul 22, 2015 • 5:55:22pm

re: #39 Charles Johnson

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But only one of them is batshit crazy enough to actually say aloud what the base is thinking.

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Bird in the Paw  Jul 22, 2015 • 5:55:34pm

re: #30 teleskiguy

Here’s the latest clown car occupant list.

bush carson christie cruz fiorina graham huckabee jindal kasich pataki paul perry rubio santorum trump walker

Say that ten times fast :o

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HappyWarrior  Jul 22, 2015 • 5:55:59pm

re: #39 Charles Johnson

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It’s quite remarkable really. There are three times as much Republicans running as Dems but yet the Dem candidates are much more diverse in worldview.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 22, 2015 • 5:56:11pm

Another early night for me.

niterz, lizardz!

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Higgs Boson's Mate  Jul 22, 2015 • 5:56:40pm

What this bodes for the nation is anybody’s guess. For the moment I’m just all grins watching Trump smack them upside the head with their own sock full of wet sand.

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Charles Johnson  Jul 22, 2015 • 5:57:05pm
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Charles Johnson  Jul 22, 2015 • 5:57:52pm
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Higgs Boson's Mate  Jul 22, 2015 • 5:57:55pm

re: #42 Bird in the Paw

Say that ten times fast :o

Someone should make that list into a dirty limerick.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jul 22, 2015 • 5:58:08pm

re: #42 Bird in the Paw

Say that ten times fast :o

“Yadah, yadah, yadah,…yadah, yadah, on a sesame seed bun!”

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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Jul 22, 2015 • 5:59:42pm

re: #35 HappyWarrior

That cartoon is sad but true. The Dem base really needs to learn to come out in ALL elections. If they did that, we wouldn’t have the Tea Party wave of 2010 or the GOP gain the Senate in 2014.

you can say that again

That cartoon is sad but true. The Dem base really needs to learn to come out in ALL elections. If they did that, we wouldn’t have the Tea Party wave of 2010 or the GOP gain the Senate in 2014.

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Drive By Commenter  Jul 22, 2015 • 6:00:26pm

Trump has latched onto the grift the GOP has been selling for decades and outdone the originators. Did Perry even listen to himself? Rick? Trump is you and every other tricked out loon posing as the answer. The difference is, Trump cannot hide who he is. He’s a spoiled brat. His way or the highway. He’s found a soft center in the GOP and he’s going to chew it up and spit it out. It’s the bloom on your poisoned garden come a glimmering. He’s all yours, sucker.

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Higgs Boson's Mate  Jul 22, 2015 • 6:00:42pm

re: #49 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

I’ll have a de-caf double half caf.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 22, 2015 • 6:01:11pm

re: #50 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸

you can say that again

That cartoon is sad but true. The Dem base really needs to learn to come out in ALL elections. If they did that, we wouldn’t have the Tea Party wave of 2010 or the GOP gain the Senate in 2014.

And I must say shame on myself for not voting in 2010. I was in college at the time and I was totally confused about how to do an absentee ballot. I’ve voted in every election since then.

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ObserverArt  Jul 22, 2015 • 6:01:54pm

For your info. Rachel Maddow is going to interview Rick Santorum tonight. She is on now. This should be fun…Santorum is in the studio, they just showed him.

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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Jul 22, 2015 • 6:02:27pm

re: #51 Drive By Commenter

Trump has latched onto the grift the GOP has been selling for decades and outdone the originators. Did Perry even listen to himself? Rick? Trump is you and every other tricked out loon posing as the answer. The difference is, Trump cannot hide who he is. He’s a spoiled brat. His way or the highway. He’s found a soft center in the GOP and he’s going to chew it up and spit it out. It’s the bloom on your poisoned garden come a glimmering. He’s all yours, sucker.

Otis B. Driftwood: Of course, that’s why I’m sitting here with you. Because you remind me of you. Your eyes, your throat, your lips! Everything about you reminds me of you.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 22, 2015 • 6:03:07pm

re: #54 ObserverArt

For your info. Rachel Maddow is going to interview Rick Santorum tonight. She is on now. This should be fun…Santorum is in the studio, they just showed him.

Oh man, why would she torture herself that way?

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Higgs Boson's Mate  Jul 22, 2015 • 6:03:43pm

re: #51 Drive By Commenter

Trump has latched onto the grift the GOP has been selling for decades and outdone the originators. Did Perry even listen to himself? Rick? Trump is you and every other tricked out loon posing as the answer. The difference is, Trump cannot hide who he is. He’s a spoiled brat. His way or the highway. He’s found a soft center in the GOP and he’s going to chew it up and spit it out. It’s the bloom on your poisoned garden come a glimmering. He’s all yours, sucker.

It never occurred to the GOP von Clausewitz’s that someone within the citadel would ever attack them as viciously as they attack those without.

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Charles Johnson  Jul 22, 2015 • 6:05:45pm

Too funny.

127.0.0.1 is the home address on a network. Universal asked Google to block themselves.

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ObserverArt  Jul 22, 2015 • 6:08:10pm

re: #56 HappyWarrior

Oh man, why would she torture herself that way?

I have a feeling she relishes the opportunity.

Her questions should be fun. One thing about Rachel…she is not shy…and she will go there.

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Drive By Commenter  Jul 22, 2015 • 6:09:56pm

re: #55 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸

re: #57 Higgs Boson’s Mate

Trump is all they ever hoped to be. Put an open mike in front of him and listen to the heart and soul of the GOP with all the restraint off. The GOP says and does (and stands for) some pretty fucked up things. Trump? Filters off, mouth on and foot to the floor. All yours, Rick. All. Yours.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 22, 2015 • 6:11:12pm

re: #59 ObserverArt

I have a feeling she relishes the opportunity.

Her questions should be fun. One thing about Rachel…she is not shy…and she will go there.

I know. She’s a tough one. Probably their best IMO.

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b_sharp  Jul 22, 2015 • 6:12:18pm

re: #58 Charles Johnson

Too funny.

127.0.0.1 is the home address on a network. Universal asked Google to block themselves.

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It’s the host address on every computer.

Somebody has a helluva sense of humour.

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bratwurst  Jul 22, 2015 • 6:12:42pm

From the “Give Me a Fucking Break” file:

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scottslemmons  Jul 22, 2015 • 6:14:39pm

re: #62 b_sharp

It’s the host address on every computer.

Somebody has a helluva sense of humour.

So… is Universal so stupid that they don’t understand that? Or did they just try to trick Google into basically shutting off the Internet?

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Khal Wimpo  Jul 22, 2015 • 6:17:25pm
He offers a barking carnival act that can be best described as Trumpism: a toxic mix of demagoguery, mean-spiritedness and nonsense that will lead the Republican Party to perdition if pursued.

Um. Isn’t that the Republican brand? Seriously. Sarah Palin ostentatiously sucks on a Big Gulp and the dickwads cheer lustily, as if they’ve just seen Archangel Gabriel personally defeat Satan. Rush Limbaugh calls innocent, brave young girls “sluts” and they pound their puds in delight. Sean Hannity and Glenn Beck wonder if the president is the anti-Christ, and they furrow their brows in thought. Of course he is!

The dumbshits took over the GOP about 20 years ago. Aided and abetted by cynical weasels like Perry. And now - NOW - he discovers that there’s a downside to whipping ignorant, violent, magical-thinking rubes into a frenzy?

Bit late for all this.

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Higgs Boson's Mate  Jul 22, 2015 • 6:17:27pm

re: #64 scottslemmons

So… is Universal so stupid that they don’t understand that? Or did they just try to trick Google into basically shutting off the Internet?

I’d guess that their CTO is fed up with them.

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ObserverArt  Jul 22, 2015 • 6:18:45pm

Ricky Santorum is up after commercial.

He must be really trying to get out of the cellar to do this.

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prairiefire  Jul 22, 2015 • 6:22:37pm

re: #67 ObserverArt

He keeps on running the crazy train.

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FemNaziBitch  Jul 22, 2015 • 6:23:48pm

…

Thank You President Obama

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FemNaziBitch  Jul 22, 2015 • 6:28:26pm

While the Whackos continue to think that getting every one jobs will make human rights violations go away and Sandra Bland’s death irrevalent, the hatred just keeps on coming:
BREAKING: Obama Takes Sick Revenge on Gun Store Owner Who Dared to Ban Muslims

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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Jul 22, 2015 • 6:29:11pm

re: #63 bratwurst

From the “Give Me a Fucking Break” file:

bible fail : none of them lived there

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makeitstop  Jul 22, 2015 • 6:33:46pm

A drive-by because I’m re-wiring a Stratocaster and it’s really giving me a bad time…

I’m listening to the radio and ‘Unbelievable’ by EMF came on, and suddenly it occurred to me -

Donald Trump is the Andrew Dice Clay of American politics.

Back to wiring.

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Higgs Boson's Mate  Jul 22, 2015 • 6:34:38pm

re: #72 makeitstop
Good un’.

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CuriousLurker  Jul 22, 2015 • 6:37:57pm

E gad, I’m fast approaching 80K comments here. My current count means…

79,555 comments ÷ 1,936 days = 41.09 per day. If each comment only took 1.5 minutes (some take many more) that would work out to approximately an hour a day. That’s 1,936 hours/80.66 days/11.52 weeks.

Now add the 620 pages I’ve created…

620 comments ÷ 1,936 days = 0.32 per day, so about one for every three days I’ve been a member here. Some of the pages were short 10-15 minute posts, but others took hour & hours. So even if we calculate pages at 30 minutes per, it still works out to like 310 hours/12.91 days/1.84 weeks.

That adds up to 13.36 weeks or over three full months of my life spent here that I can never have back. Not that I haven’t enjoyed it, but…

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FemNaziBitch  Jul 22, 2015 • 6:38:29pm

Forum on Women in the Catholic Church

From Catholics For Choice —livestreaming of event in Chicago July 25th —if you know anyone interested. I’m not particularly interested as it has to do with Women’s role in the Church. I am interested in supporting the organization because the do good work in working for Repro Rights.

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William Lewis  Jul 22, 2015 • 6:39:53pm

re: #72 makeitstop

A drive-by because I’m re-wiring a Stratocaster and it’s really giving me a bad time…

Sounds like the fun I had recently putting a humbucker in the neck of my Telecaster. Once I figured out which wire was which for polarity purposes things were much smoother… < bang head >

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ObserverArt  Jul 22, 2015 • 6:43:14pm

re: #70 FemNaziBitch

While the Whackos continue to think that getting every one jobs will make human rights violations go away and Sandra Bland’s death irrevalent, the hatred just keeps on coming:
BREAKING: Obama Takes Sick Revenge on Gun Store Owner Who Dared to Ban Muslims

Does your comment about human rights and jobs have anything to do with Bernie Sanders and some like him thinking that “Black Lives Matter” concerns will end with more jobs?

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CuriousLurker  Jul 22, 2015 • 6:43:35pm

Hey Charles, if you’re watching how come my profile says 591 pages posted, but when I view my pages dashboard it says:

620 posts in 25 pages • Published: 591 • Draft: 7 • Promoted: 22 • Today: 0

I understand the drafts not being counted, but am I correct in guessing promoted pages are also removed from my pages count? It’s not important, I’m just wondering (that’s why they call me CuriousLurker, heh).

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Chan Kobun  Jul 22, 2015 • 6:44:00pm

re: #72 makeitstop

A drive-by because I’m re-wiring a Stratocaster and it’s really giving me a bad time…

I’m listening to the radio and ‘Unbelievable’ by EMF came on, and suddenly it occurred to me -

Donald Trump is the Andrew Dice Clay of American politics.

Back to wiring.

Both are relics of the worst parts of the 90s and I wish both would go the fuck away.

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wrenchwench  Jul 22, 2015 • 6:44:40pm

re: #74 CuriousLurker

Now I feel like I’ve been inadequately appreciative. Thanks for your time!

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FemNaziBitch  Jul 22, 2015 • 6:45:14pm
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FemNaziBitch  Jul 22, 2015 • 6:45:45pm

re: #77 ObserverArt

Does your comment about human rights and jobs have anything to do with Bernie Sanders and some like him thinking that “Black Lives Matter” concerns will end with more jobs?

No, I was thinking about Jeb Bush’s comments about jobs.

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FemNaziBitch  Jul 22, 2015 • 6:47:07pm

re: #74 CuriousLurker

E gad, I’m fast approaching 80K comments here. My current count means…

79,555 comments ÷ 1,936 days = 41.09 per day. If each comment only took 1.5 minutes (some take many more) that would work out to approximately an hour a day. That’s 1,936 hours/80.66 days/11.52 weeks.

Now add the 620 pages I’ve created…

620 comments ÷ 1,936 days = 0.32 per day, so about one for every three days I’ve been a member here. Some of the pages were short 10-15 minute posts, but others took hour & hours. So even if we calculate pages at 30 minutes per, it still works out to like 310 hours/12.91 days/1.84 weeks.

Only 3 months?

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CuriousLurker  Jul 22, 2015 • 6:47:09pm

re: #80 wrenchwench

Now I feel like I’ve been inadequately appreciative. Thanks for your time!

LOL, yeah but look at your stats—wrenchwench —yikes!

Thank you for your time.

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Charles Johnson  Jul 22, 2015 • 6:48:13pm

re: #78 CuriousLurker

Hey Charles, if you’re watching how come my profile says 591 pages posted, but when I view my pages dashboard it says:

620 posts in 25 pages • Published: 591 • Draft: 7 • Promoted: 22 • Today: 0

I understand the drafts not being counted, but am I correct in guessing promoted pages are also removed from my pages count? It’s not important, I’m just wondering (that’s why they call me CuriousLurker, heh).

Not intentionally - seems to be a side effect of the way published pages are counted. May need to be adjusted!

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CuriousLurker  Jul 22, 2015 • 6:48:53pm

re: #85 Charles Johnson

Not intentionally - seems to be a side effect of the way published pages are counted. May need to be adjusted!

No biggie, just curious. Thanks.

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William Lewis  Jul 22, 2015 • 6:49:37pm

re: #77 ObserverArt

Does your comment about human rights and jobs have anything to do with Bernie Sanders and some like him thinking that “Black Lives Matter” concerns will end with more jobs?

Well, improving everyone’s economic conditions will help. It’s not the only thing, no, but that does not mean it will not do any good. It’s like when I was talking about Americans and Class consciousness - we, as a nation, like to pretend that class doesn’t exist and that the upper classes are not engaging in class war against the rest of us. This is similar - understanding the stresses caused to all people - including the police - by not making a true living wage and not having access to decent education, health care and even healthy recreational activities helps to create the situations where abuse and murder occur with disgusting regularity. Improving those situations - by increasing the number of good jobs and increasing the minimum wage significantly - is only one part of the puzzle; an important one but still only one.

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The Vicious Babushka  Jul 22, 2015 • 6:50:20pm
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Charles Johnson  Jul 22, 2015 • 6:51:08pm

re: #86 CuriousLurker

No biggie, just curious. Thanks.

The devil, as always, is in the details.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 22, 2015 • 6:51:39pm

re: #88 The Vicious Babushka

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Schizoid logic per usual

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jul 22, 2015 • 6:51:54pm

re: #79 Chan Kobun

Both are relics of the worst parts of the 90s and I wish both would go the fuck away.

Andrew Dice Clay was still around in the 90s? I thought of him as a has-been in like, 1985.

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Amory Blaine  Jul 22, 2015 • 6:52:44pm

re: #67 ObserverArt

Ricky Santorum is up after commercial.

He must be really trying to get out of the cellar to do this.

What are you watching?

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wrenchwench  Jul 22, 2015 • 6:52:48pm

re: #84 CuriousLurker

LOL, yeah but look at your stats—wrenchwench —yikes!

Thank you for your time.

I didn’t want to do the math.

You’re welcome!

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Amory Blaine  Jul 22, 2015 • 6:58:07pm

Records show Robin Vos asked for public records changes

Assembly Speaker Robin Vos requested the controversial changes to the state’s open records law that would have significantly diminished the public’s ability to monitor how its government works, records obtained by the State Journal show.

Vos is cited as the “draft requester” for the legislation in a June 29 email from Legislative Reference Bureau attorney Michael Gallagher to the offices of legislative leadership and to staff on the Legislative Council and in the state’s fiscal and reference bureaus.

The email is among about 1,000 pages of documents obtained on Wednesday by the State Journal from the office of Senate Majority Leader Scott Fitzgerald, R-Juneau.

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makeitstop  Jul 22, 2015 • 6:59:32pm

re: #76 William Lewis

Sounds like the fun I had recently putting a humbucker in the neck of my Telecaster. Once I figured out which wire was which for polarity purposes things were much smoother… < bang head >

I’m converting this one from an H-S-S pickup configuration to an S-S-S setup - I never liked humbuckers on a Strat, for aesthetic purposes. It just didn’t look right.

But I was going through a box of pickups and found an ancient DiMarzio rail humbucker (‘78 - ‘79 I think) that fits into the stock Strat pickguard.

So I get the best of both - looks like a real Strat, with a humbucker in the bridge position. Win-win!

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FemNaziBitch  Jul 22, 2015 • 7:00:41pm
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Snarknado!  Jul 22, 2015 • 7:00:50pm

re: #92 Amory Blaine

What are you watching?

The Rachel Maddow Show, I think.

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bratwurst  Jul 22, 2015 • 7:02:38pm

Things that make you go “hmmm”:

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HappyWarrior  Jul 22, 2015 • 7:03:25pm

re: #99 bratwurst

Things that make you go “hmmm”:

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Hmmm indeed.

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Chan Kobun  Jul 22, 2015 • 7:03:31pm

re: #91 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

Andrew Dice Clay was still around in the 90s? I thought of him as a has-been in like, 1985.

His infamous SNL appearance was 1990. His has-been days were either already begun or close to beginning, so you’re not far off if you’re off at all.

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Amory Blaine  Jul 22, 2015 • 7:05:25pm

re: #99 bratwurst

heh. That’s pretty edgy for Arsenio.

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CuriousLurker  Jul 22, 2015 • 7:05:27pm

re: #74 CuriousLurker

E gad, I’m fast approaching 80K comments here. My current count means…

79,555 comments ÷ 1,936 days = 41.09 per day. If each comment only took 1.5 minutes (some take many more) that would work out to approximately an hour a day. That’s 1,936 hours/80.66 days/11.52 weeks.

Now add the 620 pages I’ve created…

620 comments ÷ 1,936 days = 0.32 per day, so about one for every three days I’ve been a member here. Some of the pages were short 10-15 minute posts, but others took hour & hours. So even if we calculate pages at 30 minutes per, it still works out to like 310 hours/12.91 days/1.84 weeks.

That adds up to 13.36 weeks or over three full months of my life spent here that I can never have back. Not that I haven’t enjoyed it, but…

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Oh wait, that was karma not comments. My comments are actually “only” 20,393, so…

20,393 comments ÷ 1,936 days = 10.53 per day. If each comment only took 1.5 minutes (some take many more) that would work out to approximately 15.79 minutes a day, which means 30.56 days/4.36 weeks. IOW, one month. Including Pages, only about 6 weeks.*

Whew! That’s much better.

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*Math is not my friend.

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CuriousLurker  Jul 22, 2015 • 7:06:01pm

re: #89 Charles Johnson

The devil, as always, is in the details.

Or in Trumpzilla.

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ObserverArt  Jul 22, 2015 • 7:06:18pm

re: #87 William Lewis

Well, improving everyone’s economic conditions will help. It’s not the only thing, no, but that does not mean it will not do any good. It’s like when I was talking about Americans and Class consciousness - we, as a nation, like to pretend that class doesn’t exist and that the upper classes are not engaging in class war against the rest of us. This is similar - understanding the stresses caused to all people - including the police - by not making a true living wage and not having access to decent education, health care and even healthy recreational activities helps to create the situations where abuse and murder occur with disgusting regularity. Improving those situations - by increasing the number of good jobs and increasing the minimum wage significantly - is only one part of the puzzle; an important one but still only one.

The reason I brought it up William was due to the heat Bernie Sanders took the other day. He mentioned jobs as the fix, and several groups said he was missing the point. I saw Michael Eric Dyson, Joy Reid and I believe the other guest was a rep from Black Lives Matter on The Ed Show.

They beat Ed up pretty good with similar comments but really went to how the inherent racism was going to be a hindrance to jobs because it already is and it plays to biased hiring, etc. Plus other issues like education, transportation and the like have effects on jobs. So, there are many layers that need be repaired and worked on before jobs would help. Ed tried to back Bernie more or less that his plan should be enough and they were like no…more need be done.

Ed ended the segment fairly flummoxed. He really seems to have a crush on Bernie.

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CuriousLurker  Jul 22, 2015 • 7:08:03pm

re: #99 bratwurst

Things that make you go “hmmm”:

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Eww. Damn, I wonder what prompted that…

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The Vicious Babushka  Jul 22, 2015 • 7:08:11pm

Wingnuts do not understand what “sarcasm” is

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jul 22, 2015 • 7:12:00pm

re: #101 Chan Kobun

His infamous SNL appearance was 1990. His has-been days were either already begun or close to beginning, so you’re not far off if you’re off at all.

I was dating his has-been days from his role in Casual Sex?, which I misremembered as being 1985 instead of 1988—so, …close.

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Dark_Falcon  Jul 22, 2015 • 7:13:43pm

re: #99 bratwurst

Things that make you go “hmmm”:

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bratwurst  Jul 22, 2015 • 7:13:57pm

re: #106 CuriousLurker

Eww. Damn, I wonder what prompted that…

Seems to have been this:

President Barack Obama showed a “lack of class” during his interview with Jon Stewart in discussing the Iran deal, Florida Sen. Marco Rubio said Wednesday.

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William Lewis  Jul 22, 2015 • 7:15:10pm

re: #105 ObserverArt

The question, as usual, becomes “do we do nothing because we can’t fix everything instantly?” We can do more to fix jobs, education, wages & transportation than anything else. If we make significant (big if here) improvements in those many of the rest of the issues will slowly begin to resolve. Never forget how much progress was made from 1965 to 1980 - from LBJ’s Great Society till Reagan began destroying America. It’s not too late to fix though it’s getting too close for comfort.

I’m beginning to wonder if if a Hillary/Bernie ticket might be one way to cut this Gordian Knot that the Democrats seem intent on tying themselves into.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jul 22, 2015 • 7:16:21pm

re: #110 bratwurst

Seems to have been this:

President Barack Obama showed a “lack of class” during his interview with Jon Stewart in discussing the Iran deal, Florida Sen. Marco Rubio said Wednesday.

But Nixon saying “Sock it to me” on Laugh-In, on the other hand….

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HappyWarrior  Jul 22, 2015 • 7:16:53pm

re: #110 bratwurst

Seems to have been this:

President Barack Obama showed a “lack of class” during his interview with Jon Stewart in discussing the Iran deal, Florida Sen. Marco Rubio said Wednesday.

What a tool Rubiovis. Waaaah.

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blueraven  Jul 22, 2015 • 7:17:26pm

re: #109 Dark_Falcon

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Rubio said on Fox news, referring to Donald Trump; “He has no class, we already have a president who has no class”.

I would call that a low brow hit. No class indeed.

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Chan Kobun  Jul 22, 2015 • 7:18:27pm

“Lack of class”. Translation: DON’T YOU UNDERSTAND HE’S A NI-*CLANG!*?!

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ObserverArt  Jul 22, 2015 • 7:18:49pm

re: #92 Amory Blaine

What are you watching?

Sorry. I didn’t see this earlier. Rick Santorum was on Rachel Maddow tonight. She got after him and made him sweat on abortion rights and gay marriage.

Maybe you can catch the repeat coming up in less than two hours.

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Archangelus  Jul 22, 2015 • 7:19:04pm

re: #58 Charles Johnson

Too funny.

127.0.0.1 is the home address on a network. Universal asked Google to block themselves.

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First thing’s first, LOL the idiocy.

Secondly, having read the removal requests:

“Fifty Shades of Grey”

Really? They should be freakin’ compensating whoever it is that’s putting THAT one out…

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Charles Johnson  Jul 22, 2015 • 7:19:14pm
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BongCrodny  Jul 22, 2015 • 7:19:22pm
“…He offers a barking carnival act that can be best described as Trumpism: a toxic mix of demagoguery, mean-spiritedness and nonsense that will lead the Republican Party to perdition…”

Sorry, Rick — that bus left the depot a LONG time ago.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 22, 2015 • 7:19:30pm

re: #114 blueraven

Rubio said on Fox news, referring to Donald Trump; “He has no class, we already have a president who has no class”.

I would call that a low brow hit. No class indeed.

Yeah Rubio can go fuck himself. Stop MBFing everything pussy. Obama has more class in his pinky than you do in your entire body Mr. I got elected bitching about a hug.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 22, 2015 • 7:20:47pm

re: #109 Dark_Falcon

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He deserved that comment DF for likening our president to Trump. I know you like Rubio but he’s a hypocritical weasel baby.

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blueraven  Jul 22, 2015 • 7:21:06pm

Damn! Atty for Sandra Bland on Lawrence (MSNBC) said he got a text msg from asst DA and they want to do a 2nd autopsy. First was defective.

WTF?

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gwangung  Jul 22, 2015 • 7:21:14pm

re: #105 ObserverArt

They beat Ed up pretty good with similar comments but really went to how the inherent racism was going to be a hindrance to jobs because it already is and it plays to biased hiring, etc. Plus other issues like education, transportation and the like have effects on jobs. So, there are many layers that need be repaired and worked on before jobs would help. Ed tried to back Bernie more or less that his plan should be enough and they were like no…more need be done.

People talking from actual experience will probably flummox someone arguing from ideological principles….

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Romantic Heretic  Jul 22, 2015 • 7:21:18pm
a set of principles that has lifted more people out of poverty than any force in the history of the civilized world - the cause of conservatism.

Funniest thing I’ve read all day.

Oh wait. The dumb bastard’s serious.

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SteveMcGaziBolaGate  Jul 22, 2015 • 7:21:26pm

re: #5 Chan Kobun

None of these clowns have a claim to conservatism. On one side you have Donald Trump playing the entire deck of rage cards, with a assist in the smugness of a man who thinks he has all the answers. In Perry you have a reactionary who wants to return to a past that never existed. Conservatism means respecting the future. Conservatives don’t want to turn back the clock, they just don’t want it spinning out of control. Also, conservatives know that government can be perverted by either side, whether it creates voter restriction laws or if it were to pass some sort of onerous set of financial regs (that is just for argument’s sake, that ain’t gonna happen with the way Wall Street owns Congress). As I see it, government has a duty to promote the general welfare (as prescribed in the Constitution) provide infrastructure (blah blah blah I don’t think there’s any contention here either). But the way this conservative sees another governmental role is as a referee between competing interests. There has to be regulation of industry to ensure safety and to make sure the costs of industry are paid by the users contemporaneously. IOW EPA regulations to keep Joe Blow Inc from dumping sludge somewhere and forcing somebody else to clean it up. The price of that cleanup should be in the price of the product.
The point I am wandering toward is that conservatives and liberals aren’t that far apart. Neither of these asshats are conservatives.

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Chan Kobun  Jul 22, 2015 • 7:21:48pm

re: #120 HappyWarrior

Stop MBFing everything pussy.

I’ve looked but can’t find anything on what MBF means. Can you elucidate?

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HappyWarrior  Jul 22, 2015 • 7:22:22pm

re: #124 Romantic Heretic

Funniest thing I’ve read all day.

Oh wait. The dumb bastard’s serious.

Yeah I know. Maybe he was thinking of liberalism because conservatism is why we had a class of very wealthy and very poor for a long time.

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Amory Blaine  Jul 22, 2015 • 7:22:25pm

re: #116 ObserverArt

Thank you. I was wondering if it was a meeting of the clowns I was missing as I have a few beers here to play clown bingo with.

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Dark_Falcon  Jul 22, 2015 • 7:23:30pm

re: #126 Chan Kobun

I’ve looked but can’t find anything on what MBF means. Can you elucidate?

MBF = Magical Balance Fairy

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Chan Kobun  Jul 22, 2015 • 7:23:32pm
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HappyWarrior  Jul 22, 2015 • 7:23:32pm

re: #126 Chan Kobun

I’ve looked but can’t find anything on what MBF means. Can you elucidate?

Magical Balance Fairy- I.e both sides are just as bad. Marco the coward is trying to liken Trump to Obama which is dishonest trash.

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ObserverArt  Jul 22, 2015 • 7:24:14pm

re: #107 The Vicious Babushka

Wingnuts do not understand what “sarcasm” is

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Were they not all trained up to understand it from hanging on all the routines of Rush Limbaugh?

He’s the king of sarcasm. ///

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Chan Kobun  Jul 22, 2015 • 7:24:19pm

re: #129 Dark_Falcon
re: #131 HappyWarrior

So noted. Thank you. I’ll be stealing that.

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The Vicious Babushka  Jul 22, 2015 • 7:24:27pm

Trump is turning the Firehose of Rage on Frank Luntz now.

As usual the Trump Insult Generator nails it:

An ‘extremely credible’ source has called my office and told me that Frank Luntz is truly dumb as a rock. Average talent who is out of touch with reality. Get smart!

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HappyWarrior  Jul 22, 2015 • 7:24:37pm

Remember when Marco bitched about Crist hugging Obama. That was “classy.”.

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Amory Blaine  Jul 22, 2015 • 7:25:13pm
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HappyWarrior  Jul 22, 2015 • 7:25:21pm

Sorry for rambling but Marco Rubio is just as nasty as Trimp when he wants to be.

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William Lewis  Jul 22, 2015 • 7:25:28pm

re: #123 gwangung

People talking from actual experience will probably flummox someone arguing from ideological principles….

It’s sometimes interesting to be arguing socialist politics when you actually are a working stiff living from paycheck to paycheck… ;)

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CuriousLurker  Jul 22, 2015 • 7:29:14pm

Testing something….

Okay, now one that’s centered…

Woohoo it works! Now I can use an image-based horizontal rule instead of the fugly em-dash one:

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The devil is in the details. Or so I heard form someone. //

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Belafon  Jul 22, 2015 • 7:29:16pm

re: #63 bratwurst

From the “Give Me a Fucking Break” file:

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Republicans would be trying to kick them out: “Jesus is an anchor baby!”

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Dark_Falcon  Jul 22, 2015 • 7:30:15pm

re: #121 HappyWarrior

I don’t agree. Obama does have class, but what Rubio said was not about the facts where the president was concerned. Rubio on FoxNews was more like the Grand Ayatollah Khameni of Iran trying to sell the nuclear deal by talking about it at an event full of chants of “Death to America!!1”. In order to keep the views on his side Rubio had to go after Barack Obama, otherwise he’d have gotten even more hostile tweets and messages calling him “weak” “pro-amnesty” or a “RINO”.

And yes, I know I’m saying many FNC viewers are as anger-driven as America-haters in Iran, but that’s not really news.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 22, 2015 • 7:30:30pm

re: #140 Belafon

Republicans would be trying to kick them out: “Jesus is an anchor baby!”

He’s preaching socialism.//

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ObserverArt  Jul 22, 2015 • 7:32:05pm

re: #133 Chan Kobun

So noted. Thank you. I’ll be stealing that.

I bet if you typed Magical Balance Fairy into the search box up above in the header you’d get a lot of references of it in the threads around here. Especially in the big election years. I don’t know if Charles searches are limited in returns, but that would be a big one.

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Dark_Falcon  Jul 22, 2015 • 7:33:13pm

re: #137 HappyWarrior

Sorry for rambling but Marco Rubio is just as nasty as Trimp when he wants to be.

Yeah, but so is Hillary Clinton or Bernie Sanders. Anyone can be nasty but unlike Trump, Rubio, Clinton, and Sanders don’t spew racism when they’re being hostile.

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jaunte  Jul 22, 2015 • 7:35:22pm
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blueraven  Jul 22, 2015 • 7:37:30pm

re: #141 Dark_Falcon

I don’t agree. Obama does have class, but what Rubio said was not about the facts where the president was concerned. Rubio on FoxNews was more like the Grand Ayatollah Khameni of Iran trying to sell the nuclear deal by talking about it at an event full of chants of “Death to America!!1”. In order to keep the views on his side Rubio had to go after Barack Obama, otherwise he’d have gotten even more hostile tweets and messages calling him “weak” “pro-amnesty” or a “RINO”.

And yes, I know I’m saying many FNC viewers are as anger-driven as America-haters in Iran, but that’s not really news.

That is the most pathetic defense of anyone I have ever heard.

Rubio was just doing his interpretation of Khomeini, so give him a break y’all?

Ha!

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HappyWarrior  Jul 22, 2015 • 7:37:52pm

re: #141 Dark_Falcon

I don’t agree. Obama does have class, but what Rubio said was not about the facts where the president was concerned. Rubio on FoxNews was more like the Grand Ayatollah Khameni of Iran trying to sell the nuclear deal by talking about it at an event full of chants of “Death to America!!1”. In order to keep the views on his side Rubio had to go after Barack Obama, otherwise he’d have gotten even more hostile tweets and messages calling him “weak” “pro-amnesty” or a “RINO”.

And yes, I know I’m saying many FNC viewers are as anger-driven as America-haters in Iran, but that’s not really news.

You do realize how pathetic that sounds don’t you? I am sorry DF. I like you, I respect you even though we disagree about politics but that’s bs to me. I don’t expect Rubio to cheerlead for the Iran deal but I don’t expect him to go on television and liken Donald Trump, a man who has called millions of immigrants rapists and murderers and attacked a war hero’s creds to our president. He can criticize the Iran deal without resorting to being a pathetic MBF hack and if he’s going to do that, he’s going to get the kind of responses like Arsenio Hall gave him. Maybe Arsenio was out of line a bit but Marco said the president was “classless” and Arsenio gave him what a classless statement actually is.

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goddamnedfrank  Jul 22, 2015 • 7:38:53pm

re: #144 Dark_Falcon

Yeah, but so is Hillary Clinton or Bernie Sanders. Anyone can be nasty but unlike Trump, Rubio, Clinton, and Sanders don’t spew racism when they’re being hostile.

Rubio was all about condoning and promoting the same racist bullshit to the same racist audience. He doesn’t get a pass just because he couched it in coded terms.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 22, 2015 • 7:39:06pm

re: #146 blueraven

That is the most pathetic defense of anyone I have ever heard.

Rubio was just doing his interpretation of Khomeini, so give him a break y’all?

Ha!

Yeah this is absolutely pathetic. I don’t expect Rubio to be rah rah for the deal but I don’t expect him just to spew out anti-Obama bullshit just because it’s what FNC viewers want him to do. That’s not what a leader does DF. He should be embarrassed for himself that he did that.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 22, 2015 • 7:40:31pm

re: #144 Dark_Falcon

Yeah, but so is Hillary Clinton or Bernie Sanders. Anyone can be nasty but unlike Trump, Rubio, Clinton, and Sanders don’t spew racism when they’re being hostile.

I will grant you that I have not seen any evidence of Rubio being racist but he’s a homophobe unlike Clinton and Sanders. As I said, this is a man who bitched about a hug to get elected. He has no room to lecture the President about “class” when he has none himself. I get it. You like the guy but open your eyes. He’s just as despicable as Trump. He’s just more seasoned at it.

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goddamnedfrank  Jul 22, 2015 • 7:40:39pm

re: #146 blueraven

That is the most pathetic defense of anyone I have ever heard.

Rubio was just doing his interpretation of Khomeini, so give him a break y’all?

Ha!

Yeah I don’t know where to even begin with that. Rubio, the Tard-Whisperer.

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ObserverArt  Jul 22, 2015 • 7:40:49pm

re: #144 Dark_Falcon

Yeah, but so is Hillary Clinton or Bernie Sanders. Anyone can be nasty but unlike Trump, Rubio, Clinton, and Sanders don’t spew racism when they’re being hostile.

Damn Dark. You are working the fairy pretty good tonight. Got both Clinton and Sanders into being meanies. I won’t ask you to justify that but you are working it.

Feeling bad about your party being hacked by the big rich guy are you? He’s just skipping a step and instead of backing a Walker or Rubio he figured he could just spend the money on himself and just go for the job directly.

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BeachDem  Jul 22, 2015 • 7:42:28pm

re: #111 William Lewis

The question, as usual, becomes “do we do nothing because we can’t fix everything instantly?” We can do more to fix jobs, education, wages & transportation than anything else. If we make significant (big if here) improvements in those many of the rest of the issues will slowly begin to resolve. Never forget how much progress was made from 1965 to 1980 - from LBJ’s Great Society till Reagan began destroying America. It’s not too late to fix though it’s getting too close for comfort.

I’m beginning to wonder if if a Hillary/Bernie ticket might be one way to cut this Gordian Knot that the Democrats seem intent on tying themselves into.

All well and good, but in order to enjoy those fixes, we first need to do something about black people being fucking gunned down in the streets. That, to my understanding, was the point that the Black Lives Matter protest at Netroots was trying to make.

Not that other issues aren’t important, but that if you’re dead, those issues don’t really matter.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 22, 2015 • 7:46:19pm

If Rubio and the other so called GOP moderates only operate in being afraid of being called RINOs on Twitter, DF can you please answer me this how do you expect them to deal with a tough foreign leader? Not even a hostile foreign leader but one that plays hardball. That’s not leadership and I think you know that. As I said I like and even respect you but this excuse of “Oh he’s just doing it for his base so they won’t say mean things about him” is frankly really tired. Your party can’t accuse President Obama or Mrs. Clinton or Senator Sanders of not showing leadership when they operate in fear of what some moron on Twitter might say. That mindset of wanting to avoid confrontation is one thing when you’re among people and you want to avoid conflict but it’s not what a President does and Marco is running for President, he needs to stop acting like it rather than that guy at the party surrounded by rabid Obama haters who just goes along with the Obama hatred because he doesn’t want to be called a libtard.

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BeachDem  Jul 22, 2015 • 7:46:45pm

re: #141 Dark_Falcon

I don’t agree. Obama does have class, but what Rubio said was not about the facts where the president was concerned. Rubio on FoxNews was more like the Grand Ayatollah Khameni of Iran trying to sell the nuclear deal by talking about it at an event full of chants of “Death to America!!1”. In order to keep the views on his side Rubio had to go after Barack Obama, otherwise he’d have gotten even more hostile tweets and messages calling him “weak” “pro-amnesty” or a “RINO”.

And yes, I know I’m saying many FNC viewers are as anger-driven as America-haters in Iran, but that’s not really news.

Aw, poor little Marco might have gotten mean tweets calling him weak. So sad. Too bad. LEAVE MARCO ALONE!!!!

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teleskiguy  Jul 22, 2015 • 7:47:11pm

Will Dark_Falcon do this tonight?

Stay tuned!

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HappyWarrior  Jul 22, 2015 • 7:47:54pm

I’ll give you an example of how a leader should act. When Trump trashed McCain, Secretary Kerry spoke up strongly and personally in McCain’s defense despite the fact that McCain isn’t exactly Mr. Popularity in his party’s circles and he did it in 2000 when McCain got attacked too. That’s leadership and why I would rather have John Kerry or any prominent Democrat run my country over Marco Rubio.

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ObserverArt  Jul 22, 2015 • 7:47:57pm

Later all. Tomorrow is another day with Trump in it!

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HappyWarrior  Jul 22, 2015 • 7:48:50pm

re: #156 teleskiguy

Will Dark_Falcon do this tonight?

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Stay tuned!

I feel bad. I don’t want to beat him up over this but I am sorry DF it was a lame excuse.

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CuriousLurker  Jul 22, 2015 • 7:49:17pm

re: #63 bratwurst

From the “Give Me a Fucking Break” file:

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Oh man, I missed that one earlier. So… they would’ve been considered “settlers” by whom, exactly? Wasn’t one of Herod’s sons (mis)managing Judea so badly at the time that it was taken over by the Romans in 6 CE?

Islam hadn’t been born yet, and AFAIK there were no Palestinians in the area then. Besides, everyone knows there’s no such thing as Palestinians anyway. //

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goddamnedfrank  Jul 22, 2015 • 7:50:11pm

Dark, if you honestly don’t think the “no class” rhetoric is a well worn part of the racist attacks on the Obamas just google the term in conjunction with them. For one thing it has been documented here at lgf.

First black ape my A$$ she a most ugly first lady ever with no class what so ever

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William Lewis  Jul 22, 2015 • 7:51:23pm

re: #153 BeachDem

A lot of that is happening because of the economic stresses on both sides is what _I_ am trying to say. We do need to break the Blue Thug Shield but after that we also have to end the same fears that the cops have about their security - physical, emotional, economic - as do the people they are oppressing.

You can’t just magically get rid of oppressors - you have to provide them with reasons to no longer feel the need to oppress. In the case of modern America that is by breaking the power of the 1% by providing access to good jobs, education, food, health care & everything else to everyone.

One big problem we face is that so many have had their training perverted by a false focus on anti-terrorism that they will probably never be able to be decent cops. They need to be retired, required to quit if necessary, and provided with retraining in a peaceable and better paying job than the one they had as a member of the clampdown.

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7-y (Expectation of Great Things in Due Course)  Jul 22, 2015 • 7:56:08pm

re: #152 ObserverArt

Feeling bad about your party being hacked by the big rich guy are you? He’s just skipping a step and instead of backing a Walker or Rubio he figured he could just spend the money on himself and just go for the job directly.

What about a Koch/Koch ticket?

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7-y (Expectation of Great Things in Due Course)  Jul 22, 2015 • 8:00:37pm

re: #163 7-y (Expectation of Great Things in Due Course)

What about a Koch/Koch ticket?

Did I break this thing? :)

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blueraven  Jul 22, 2015 • 8:05:13pm

re: #162 William Lewis

A lot of that is happening because of the economic stresses on both sides is what _I_ am trying to say. We do need to break the Blue Thug Shield but after that we also have to end the same fears that the cops have about their security - physical, emotional, economic - as do the people they are oppressing.

You can’t just magically get rid of oppressors - you have to provide them with reasons to no longer feel the need to oppress. In the case of modern America that is by breaking the power of the 1% by providing access to good jobs, education, food, health care & everything else to everyone.

One big problem we face is that so many have had their training perverted by a false focus on anti-terrorism that they will probably never be able to be decent cops. They need to be retired, required to quit if necessary, and provided with retraining in a peaceable and better paying job than the one they had as a member of the clampdown.

That is not what the folks in the BlackLivesMatter want to hear right now.

They want concrete steps to stop poilce brutality. Yes, cameras for all officers. Send some of them to goddamn jail for their actions. Hell, INDICT a couple of them.

They have grievances they want heard, and don’t want to hear about how far we have come in 50 years.

I saw one tweet that summed up, for me, how some of the BLM people must feel.

Went something like this:

My Mom died today.
Well, thousands of Moms die every day.

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BeachDem  Jul 22, 2015 • 8:08:27pm

re: #162 William Lewis

A lot of that is happening because of the economic stresses on both sides is what _I_ am trying to say. We do need to break the Blue Thug Shield but after that we also have to end the same fears that the cops have about their security - physical, emotional, economic - as do the people they are oppressing.

Answering in italic:

You really think that Tamir Rice, Michael Brown, Freddy Gray, Eric Garner, Walter Scott, John Crawford etc. deaths were in any way precipitated by economic stresses on the cops who killed them? That seems really out there.

You can’t just magically get rid of oppressors - you have to provide them with reasons to no longer feel the need to oppress. In the case of modern America that is by breaking the power of the 1% by providing access to good jobs, education, food, health care & everything else to everyone.

How about holding them responsible for killing unarmed people? Holding prosecutors and police chiefs and the judiciary responsible for doing their damn jobs. What do you think are the reasons they feel the “need to oppress” anyway?

One big problem we face is that so many have had their training perverted by a false focus on anti-terrorism that they will probably never be able to be decent cops. They need to be retired, required to quit if necessary, and provided with retraining in a peaceable and better paying job than the one they had as a member of the clampdown.

Interesting that you say they need to be retired or required to quit—how about FIRED and banned from law enforcement forevermore? So instead, you think they should be rewarded with better paying jobs than the one they’re not fit to perform? I don’t understand the logic.

I’m not trying to be an asshole (although I play one on TV)—it just seems that you’re ignoring some of the basic problems.

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Chan Kobun  Jul 22, 2015 • 8:09:52pm

Free tip: If you tell me what MBF means then go on to invoke it, you really ought to spend some time looking inward.

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Dark_Falcon  Jul 22, 2015 • 8:10:49pm

re: #159 HappyWarrior

I feel bad. I don’t want to beat him up over this but I am sorry DF it was a lame excuse.

Of course its lame, the entire way sane presidential candidates have to tiptoe to avoid online mob attacks is lame. But what’s the choice? If someone like Marco Rubio refuses to pay the rhetorical equivalent of Danegeld, the online Danes will give him an electronic version of the Blood Eagle.

And to a great extent, this really is the fault of the Republican Party leadership, whose actions towards its base on the matter of illegal immigrants for too long has been making gestures but not taking notable action or “Funning the Bozo”, as my mother calls such tactics. This is both at the behest of business donors who want cheap labor and also to avoid the media criticism that action would prompt, for measures that would combat illegal immigration will in some cases have to be harsh.

In that way, illegal immigration, like drugs in Glen Fry’s song Smuggler’s Blues, is something where “They say they’re gonna stop it, but it doesn’t go away.” And Republican officials’ attempts to have it both ways has won them no points with Latinos and earned them the scorn of their own base. And I’m not sure what the way out of this mess is for the GOP, but until it gets out people like Marco Rubio will continue to have to DERP to avoid getting savaged by voters who don’t trust them.

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William Lewis  Jul 22, 2015 • 8:11:11pm

You want to replace well over half the cops in the country. Look at what happened when the US fired all the cops and army in Iraq? Retire them. Give them a different job.

Yeah, go back up a ways “break the blue thug shield” - put the criminals in jail where they belong. But we have to get a whole lot of others out of the system as well. Do you really want them all sitting around unemployed and angry?

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BeachDem  Jul 22, 2015 • 8:14:18pm

re: #168 Dark_Falcon

Of course its lame, the entire way sane presidential candidates have to tiptoe to avoid online mob attacks is lame. But what’s the choice? If someone like Marco Rubio refuses to pay the rhetorical equivalent of Danegeld, the online Danes will give him an electronic version of the Blood Eagle.

And to a great extent, this really is the fault of the Republican Party leadership, whose actions towards its base on the matter of illegal immigrants for too long has been making gestures but not taking notable action or “Funning the Bozo”, as my mother calls such tactics. This is both at the behest of business donors who want cheap labor and also to avoid the media criticism that action would prompt, for measures that would combat illegal immigration will in some cases have to be harsh.

In that way, illegal immigration, like drugs in Glen Fry’s song Smuggler’s Blues, is something where “They say they’re gonna stop it, but it doesn’t go away.” And Republican officials’ attempts to have it both ways has won them no points with Latinos and earned them the scorn of their own base. And I’m not sure what the way out of this mess is for the GOP, but until it gets out people like Marco Rubio will continue to have to DERP to avoid getting savaged by voters who don’t trust them.

How about this—they could fucking stand for something they believe in and tell people why. I know—how novel. If poor wittle Marco has to derp to avoid getting savaged by voters who don’t trust him, he’s in the wrong business.

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blueraven  Jul 22, 2015 • 8:18:41pm

re: #168 Dark_Falcon

Of course its lame, the entire way sane presidential candidates have to tiptoe to avoid online mob attacks is lame. But what’s the choice? If someone like Marco Rubio refuses to pay the rhetorical equivalent of Danegeld, the online Danes will give him an electronic version of the Blood Eagle.

And to a great extent, this really is the fault of the Republican Party leadership, whose actions towards its base on the matter of illegal immigrants for too long has been making gestures but not taking notable action or “Funning the Bozo”, as my mother calls such tactics. This is both at the behest of business donors who want cheap labor and also to avoid the media criticism that action would prompt, for measures that would combat illegal immigration will in some cases have to be harsh.

In that way, illegal immigration, like drugs in Glen Fry’s song Smuggler’s Blues, is something where “They say they’re gonna stop it, but it doesn’t go away.” And Republican officials’ attempts to have it both ways has won them no points with Latinos and earned them the scorn of their own base. And I’m not sure what the way out of this mess is for the GOP, but until it gets out people like Marco Rubio will continue to have to DERP to avoid getting savaged by voters who don’t trust them.

This is your party? This is what you know about them and yet…smh.
Personal attacks like what Rubio said about Obama have no place in our politics. He is as bad as Trump, and if that is the goal then Lord help us all.

I do not remember Obama ever launching a personal attack on anyone like that. Rubio has no fucking class, at all. He has no business running for president.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 22, 2015 • 8:19:34pm

re: #168 Dark_Falcon

Of course its lame, the entire way sane presidential candidates have to tiptoe to avoid online mob attacks is lame. But what’s the choice? If someone like Marco Rubio refuses to pay the rhetorical equivalent of Danegeld, the online Danes will give him an electronic version of the Blood Eagle.

And to a great extent, this really is the fault of the Republican Party leadership, whose actions towards its base on the matter of illegal immigrants for too long has been making gestures but not taking notable action or “Funning the Bozo”, as my mother calls such tactics. This is both at the behest of business donors who want cheap labor and also to avoid the media criticism that action would prompt, for measures that would combat illegal immigration will in some cases have to be harsh.

In that way, illegal immigration, like drugs in Glen Fry’s song Smuggler’s Blues, is something where “They say they’re gonna stop it, but it doesn’t go away.” And Republican officials’ attempts to have it both ways has won them no points with Latinos and earned them the scorn of their own base. And I’m not sure what the way out of this mess is for the GOP, but until it gets out people like Marco Rubio will continue to have to DERP to avoid getting savaged by voters who don’t trust them.

If Rubio really thinks there’s no way to criticize the Iran deal without calling the President classless, can I ask why you personally think he would be a decent president or at least better than Clinton? You’ve said here before that you would vote for him over her with little to no reservations. And yes it is the leadership’s fault. They’re the ones who before you or I were born wanted the people who were angry about politicians from both parties supporting Civil Rights to join their party and they pay the price for that every day the country grows more diverse. I have a Hispanic niece and Hispanic in laws through her. I don’t appreciate a party that has given legitimacy to a man Trump who calls Hispanics rapists and murderers. And I will grant you that Rubio, Bush, and Perry did condemn that but not every Republican did. Your party needs to make a decision if it wants to be an American BNP or a party for the wealthy interests. They would have been better off if they had stayed the course Ike had them going years ago. For all their contempt for moderates, conservatives need to realize that a moderate Republican saved their party from the political endangered species or even extinct list. I am sorry but I just can’t accept this kind of behavior from Rubio. If he has a thoughtful criticism of the President’s Iran deal, I would like to hear it but I don’t want to hear him comparing Obama to Donald fucking Trump because he’s afraid if he doesn’t totally trash Obama, some idiot on Twitter will say he’s not really a conservative. That’s not what leaders do.

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Higgs Boson's Mate  Jul 22, 2015 • 8:22:40pm

re: #171 blueraven

I’m guessing that Rubio, as a not-lily-white Republican candidate, is required to show extra zeal.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 22, 2015 • 8:23:16pm

DF if this is how you expect your politicians to act, don’t be outraged if someone flings shit back at them like Arsenio Hall did to Rubio. Rubio wanted classless and Arsenio gave him an example of what classlessness actually is. I don’t think for a minute Hall actually believes that about Rubio but what Rubio said about Obama legitimately pissed Hall and a lot of other people myself including off and you yourself admit that he’s only doing it to keep his right wing bonafides. So don’t get too defensive if someone flings crap back at one of your party’s candidates.

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PT Barnum  Jul 22, 2015 • 8:23:45pm

The modern GOP: Good to the Last Derp.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 22, 2015 • 8:24:02pm

There was zero reason for Marco Rubio to call President Obama classless over the Iran deal and appearing on the Daily Show. Zero.

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BongCrodny  Jul 22, 2015 • 8:24:53pm

re: #171 blueraven

<blockquote

I do not remember Obama ever launching a personal attack on anyone like that. Rubio has no fucking class, at all. He has no business running for president.

I’m not sure I remember any serious Presidential candidate ever doing that, Democrat or Republican. It strikes me as childish, and it’s unworthy of the office.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 22, 2015 • 8:26:24pm

re: #173 Higgs Boson’s Mate

I’m guessing that Rubio, as a not-lily-white Republican candidate, is required to show extra zeal.

That’s been my observation with non white Republicans as well that they over compensate big time for the fact that they’re a huge minority in the lily white GOP so they have to come up with particularly outrageous rhetoric. As I said, if Rubio has a thoughtful criticism of the Iran deal, that’s what I want to hear, the man is running for president after all. Does Rubio have a legitimate criticism of the Iran deal or is he against it because of the President and State department that did it? I really think his actions show me that it’s the latter rather than the former.

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BeachDem  Jul 22, 2015 • 8:27:16pm

re: #169 William Lewis

You want to replace well over half the cops in the country. Look at what happened when the US fired all the cops and army in Iraq? Retire them. Give them a different job.

Yeah, go back up a ways “break the blue thug shield” - put the criminals in jail where they belong. But we have to get a whole lot of others out of the system as well. Do you really want them all sitting around unemployed and angry?

Maybe I’m an optimist. I don’t know that I think well over half the cops in the country are irredeemable. I think if we prosecuted the bad cops, made it clear that they would have to answer for their actions, and protected the good ones who try to do the right thing and not cover for the bad ones (right now, any cops who try to seem to meet with bad consequences), things could begin improve.

I’m definitely not anti-union, but the power of the police unions is staggering. They don’t have to file reports for days or weeks, until after they’ve lawyered up (and often, after they have an opportunity to review evidence.) They have their union spokesperson out in front of every police killing, often before the police chief gets to say a word. (The union guy was the only one talking for days after Tamir Rice was killed.)

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HappyWarrior  Jul 22, 2015 • 8:27:48pm

re: #177 BongCrodny

<blockquote

I do not remember Obama ever launching a personal attack on anyone like that. Rubio has no fucking class, at all. He has no business running for president.

I’m not sure I remember any serious Presidential candidate ever doing that, Democrat or Republican. It strikes me as childish, and it’s unworthy of the office.

Well that’s what Rubio is. He’s childish and unworthy of the office. Biden made a good point at his graduation speech at Yale, he brought up how Mike Mansfield scolded him for questioning Jesse Helms’ motivations. If Joe Biden can find the human side in a genuinely rotten person like Jesse Helms than Marco Rubio can go on Fox without calling the President of the United States classless.

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blueraven  Jul 22, 2015 • 8:28:16pm

re: #177 BongCrodny

<blockquote

I do not remember Obama ever launching a personal attack on anyone like that. Rubio has no fucking class, at all. He has no business running for president.

I’m not sure I remember any serious Presidential candidate ever doing that, Democrat or Republican. It strikes me as childish, and it’s unworthy of the office.

Sarah Palin dd a pretty fair job on the personal attacks. Of course she was in the VP slot, but still.

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WhatEVs  Jul 22, 2015 • 8:31:25pm

Wait. Did someone say conservatism was optimistic?

BRB…I’m laughing too hard.

Ok. Back.

Why yes. Perry did say that.

He (Trump) espouses nativism, not conservatism. He is negative when conservatism is inherently optimistic.

Are you f’in kidding me? Conservatives are the most pessimistic people virtually anywhere. The sky is always falling. Obama’s gonna take their [fill in your favorite stuff]!! FEMA’s going to put us in Walmart prisons!

Jeebies Cripes on a freaking crisp. Optimistic. Not the first 5 million words I’d ever associate with conservatives.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 22, 2015 • 8:32:38pm

re: #181 blueraven

Sarah Palin dd a pretty fair job on the personal attacks. Of course she was in the VP slot, but still.

I knew what kind of man Obama was when he was asked about Bristol Palin’s status as a pregnant unwed teen mother and President(then Senator) Obama pointed out he was the son of a teen mother(I think his mother and father were married at the time of his birth) but point being Ann Dunham Obama was close to being Bristol’s age when Barack Obama was born. It seems to me that the Republican base hates Obama so much that even a gentlemanly criticism of him isn’t enough. Nope, gotta call him classless, gotta go to the limits. Really I’d like Rubio to show one example of where Obama has been as classless as Trump has the past two weeks. The irony is this isn’t going to help Marco a damn bit. The base who have come to like Donny are going to resent Marco’s MBF big time for likening Mr. Tells It How It Is to their mortal enemy Obama. Rubio would have been much better off offering a legitimate criticism of the deal but as I said, I don’t think he has one.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 22, 2015 • 8:33:26pm

re: #182 WhatEVs

Wait. Did someone say conservatism was optimistic?

BRB…I’m laughing too hard.

Ok. Back.

Why yes. Perry did say that.

Are you f’in kidding me? Conservatives are the most pessimistic people virtually anywhere. The sky is always falling. Obama’s gonna take their [fill in your favorite stuff]!! FEMA’s going to put us in Walmart prisons!

Jeebies Cripes on a freaking crisp. Optimistic. Not the first 5 million words I’d ever associate with conservatives.

Ronald Reagan did a great job playing optimistic but he was as cynical as the rest of them which is why he went after the votes of those angry over Civil Rights and the Great Society for votes.

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Charles Johnson  Jul 22, 2015 • 8:34:23pm

Just looked in on Chuck Johnson’s heinous website. He’s gone dark again. Without access to Twitter he loses his will to live.

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Belafon  Jul 22, 2015 • 8:35:27pm

re: #182 WhatEVs

Every child can succeed after they get the $20K loan from their parent. That’s conservative optimism.

Democrats on the other hand believe that you can’t do it alone, that you had help and will always need help.

//

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teleskiguy  Jul 22, 2015 • 8:36:00pm

My spreadhead friends have been talking about a 30-year-old husband and father who died in police custody after a Widespread Panic show in Mississippi. Wonkette wrote about it.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 22, 2015 • 8:36:05pm

re: #186 Belafon

Every child can succeed after they get the $20K loan from their parent. That’s conservative optimism.

Democrats on the other hand believe that you can’t do it alone, that you had help and will always need help.

//

Start at Jimmy John’s with your parents help.// Mitt Romney.

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Belafon  Jul 22, 2015 • 8:36:18pm

re: #185 Charles Johnson

Just looked in on Chuck Johnson’s heinous website. He’s gone dark again. Without access to Twitter he loses his will to live.

He’s out mowing lawns so he can earn enough money to pay someone else to use their twitter account.

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BeachDem  Jul 22, 2015 • 8:37:20pm

re: #183 HappyWarrior

Really I’d like Rubio to show one example of where Obama has been as classless as Trump has the past two weeks.

That’s a pretty low bar. Obama could get over that one without breaking a sweat.

Actually, I think Obama has shown exceptional class since day 1, especially considering some of the vile, racist, ignorant crap thrown at him and his family by the right wing.

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bratwurst  Jul 22, 2015 • 8:37:25pm

re: #168 Dark_Falcon

And I’m not sure what the way out of this mess is for the GOP, but until it gets out people like Marco Rubio will continue to have to DERP to avoid getting savaged by voters who don’t trust them.

I don’t want to pile on. I feel like you made a thoughtful post I gladly updinged. However, my response to the above is that you and the millions of other decent and reasonable people who identify with the GOP need to stand up and demand better. No, it is not satisfying as it is not going to help any time soon. Yes, your voice is likely to be drowned out by the lunatic fringe. Even so, that is what it is going to take.

It’s like Jon Huntsman 4 years ago succumbing to peer pressure on the debate stage in refusing to stand up for a hypothetical deal of 10-to-1 in favor of budget cuts over tax increases. He has since expressed serious regret. His lack of courage let down not only the realists in your party, but everyone outside of the GOP who was dreaming of an intelligent debate (not to mention the fact he bombed out of the race anyway). I know I always hate to look back and wish I had chosen principles over expediency.

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Higgs Boson's Mate  Jul 22, 2015 • 8:38:27pm

re: #178 HappyWarrior

I haven’t been paying scrupulous attention to Republican responses to the treaty so I may have missed it when any of them offered substantive criticism of the treaty - let alone viable alternatives. They seem to think that we can muscle the rest of the world into doing anything we want it to.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 22, 2015 • 8:39:30pm

re: #190 BeachDem

That’s a pretty low bar. Obama could get over that one without breaking a sweat.

Actually, I think Obama has shown exceptional class since day 1, especially considering some of the vile, racist, ignorant crap thrown at him and his family by the right wing.

I agree. Really he’s been unbelievably cool and collected considering the culture of hate that has been created against him from the get go. And yes a lot of it is racially based.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 22, 2015 • 8:41:37pm

re: #192 Higgs Boson’s Mate

I haven’t been paying scrupulous attention to Republican responses to the treaty so I may have missed it when any of them offered substantive criticism of the treaty - let alone viable alternatives. They seem to think that we can muscle the rest of the world into doing anything we want it to.

Yeah they think that’s the solution to everything. Doesn’t even seem though that Rubio offered that even in this case. Just some red meat for a base who would probably cheer if Rubio called Obama the n-word on national television. I doubt Rubio would be so craven to do that by the way but that they would cheer is something I am less doubtful of.

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Chan Kobun  Jul 22, 2015 • 8:43:32pm

I’d just like to correct y’all about how no Prez candidate ever personally attacked anyone - you mean “never attacked anyone publicly”. Remember “John McCain has a black baby”?

re: #190 BeachDem

Actually, I think Obama has shown exceptional class since day 1, especially considering some of the vile, racist, ignorant crap thrown at him and his family by the right wing.

Because he’s had to. If he ever, ever got angry at the vile, despicable horseshit these rightist goons leveled at him since the day he threw his hat into the ring, the entire media would all point and screech ANGRY BLACK MAN!!1.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Jul 22, 2015 • 8:44:01pm

re: #185 Charles Johnson

Just looked in on Chuck Johnson’s heinous website. He’s gone dark again. Without access to Twitter he loses his will to live.

It’s a curious malady. Nothing is stopping him from continuing to generate shit for his website. He’s so enamored of “The Algorithm” of Twitter that he supposedly cracked that he’s now incapable of seeing another way of doing things.

I predict he’ll pop up on some podcast or another within a week or so.

Today’s the deadline for Gawker’s response to the libel suit, BTW. (It’s the 23rd here now.)

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HappyWarrior  Jul 22, 2015 • 8:44:51pm

re: #191 bratwurst

I don’t want to pile on. I feel like you made a thoughtful post I gladly updinged. However, my response to the above is that you and the millions of other decent and reasonable people who identify with the GOP need to stand up and demand better. No, it is not satisfying as it is not going to help any time soon. Yes, your voice is likely to be drowned out by the lunatic fringe. Even so, that is what it is going to take.

It’s like Jon Huntsman 4 years ago succumbing to peer pressure on the debate stage in refusing to stand up for a hypothetical deal of 10-to-1 in favor of budget cuts over tax increases. He has since expressed serious regret. His lack of courage let down not only the realists in your party, but everyone outside of the GOP who was dreaming of an intelligent debate (not to mention the fact he bombed out of the race anyway). I know I always hate to look back and wish I had chosen principles over expediency.

Exactly and I am sorry if I came off like I was bullying you DF. I just don’t get how you can as a Republican accept this from your party. I actually would have appreciated if Rubio offered a legitimate criticism of the deal. I honestly would have. As I said the man’s running for president. He’s not running to be the most popular cheerleader in the GOP. If he’s nominated by your party, he will have a very good chance of being the next president of all of us. Not just Republicans like you but liberals like me and others. So for him to use this deal and use it just to fling red meat to the base frankly I think speaks less of him as a man and a leader.He could well be a decent guy but as a leader I don’t want him anywhere near the WH if this is his response.

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Higgs Boson's Mate  Jul 22, 2015 • 8:44:55pm

re: #194 HappyWarrior

When it comes to this lot, I credit them all with near-infinite cravenness and mendacity.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 22, 2015 • 8:45:23pm

re: #195 Chan Kobun

I’d just like to correct y’all about how no Prez candidate ever personally attacked anyone - you mean “never attacked anyone publicly”. Remember “John McCain has a black baby”?

Because he’s had to. If he ever, ever got angry at the vile, despicable horseshit these rightist goons leveled at him since the day he threw his hat into the ring, the entire media would all point and screech ANGRY BLACK MAN!!1.

I thought the McCain has a black baby stuff was done by Bush’s surrogates.

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Chan Kobun  Jul 22, 2015 • 8:46:24pm

re: #199 HappyWarrior

I thought the McCain has a black baby stuff was done by Bush’s surrogates.

If the soldier burns your village in the king’s name, do you not say the king has had your village burned?

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blueraven  Jul 22, 2015 • 8:47:11pm

re: #183 HappyWarrior

I knew what kind of man Obama was when he was asked about Bristol Palin’s status as a pregnant unwed teen mother and President(then Senator) Obama pointed out he was the son of a teen mother(I think his mother and father were married at the time of his birth) but point being Ann Dunham Obama was close to being Bristol’s age when Barack Obama was born. It seems to me that the Republican base hates Obama so much that even a gentlemanly criticism of him isn’t enough. Nope, gotta call him classless, gotta go to the limits. Really I’d like Rubio to show one example of where Obama has been as classless as Trump has the past two weeks. The irony is this isn’t going to help Marco a damn bit. The base who have come to like Donny are going to resent Marco’s MBF big time for likening Mr. Tells It How It Is to their mortal enemy Obama. Rubio would have been much better off offering a legitimate criticism of the deal but as I said, I don’t think he has one.

Methinks he has been reading too much VDH bullshit lately.

Obama and Trump: Two of a Kind

Outwardly they couldn’t be more different. But take a closer look. President Obama is said to feel liberated, in the sense that he can finally say what, and do as, he pleases — without much worry any more over political ramifications, including presidential and congressional elections.

Obama’s lame-duck presidency has now devolved into the progressive bully pulpit that his base always longed for. Of course, his editorializing and executive orders may worry Hillary Clinton — much as Donald Trump’s pronouncements do his more circumspect Republican rivals.

Trump is a celebrity who tweets and phones his praise of and insults to comedians, athletes, and media kingpins. But so does Obama love the celebrity world. He is comfortable with Jay Z and Beyoncé, picks the Sweet Sixteen on live television, and has reminded us that he’s the LeBron of the Teleprompter, who won’t choke under the spotlights. Both see pop culture and the presidency as a fitting together perfectly.

donotlink.com

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WhatEVs  Jul 22, 2015 • 8:48:38pm

re: #195 Chan Kobun

Because he’s had to. If he ever, ever got angry at the vile, despicable horseshit these rightist goons leveled at him since the day he threw his hat into the ring, the entire media would all point and screech ANGRY BLACK MAN!!1.

You’re assuming (or inferring) Obama’s a closet asshole…that he just can’t show it because he’s black. I disagree 100%.

Obama has always, ALWAYS shown true class in every situation. His nature is cool (as in level headed and unemotional). He’s the antithesis of any Angry Man, black, white or otherwise.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 22, 2015 • 8:48:43pm

re: #200 Chan Kobun

If the soldier burns your village in the king’s name, do you not say the king has had your village burned?

You do but you don’t say the king personally burned down your village as if he were on the horses himself that lit the flames. That said, I agree with you that personal attacks aren’t new but I was just pointing out that Bush himself never directly did that racist bs on McCain in that it never came out of his mouth directly.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 22, 2015 • 8:50:48pm

re: #201 blueraven

Methinks he has been reading too much VDH bullshit lately.

donotlink.com

Does VDH forget that Reagan loved talking about his friendships with old time Hollywood actors that supported him? VDH should stick to Ancient Greece. He’s a pathetic hack as a political analyst. Oh noes, Obama picked a NCAA bracket, eh wants to be a celebrity. Uh that’s no different from a baseball fan president talking baseball. I had no problem when Bush did it. In fact like President Bush I’m more of a baseball fan than I am basketball one but I respect President Obama’s knowledge and love of basketball too. VDH has his head up his ass again.

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WhatEVs  Jul 22, 2015 • 8:51:35pm

re: #197 HappyWarrior

Exactly and I am sorry if I came off like I was bullying you DF. I just don’t get how you can as a Republican accept this from your party. I actually would have appreciated if Rubio offered a legitimate criticism of the deal. I honestly would have. As I said the man’s running for president. He’s not running to be the most popular cheerleader in the GOP. If he’s nominated by your party, he will have a very good chance of being the next president of all of us. Not just Republicans like you but liberals like me and others. So for him to use this deal and use it just to fling red meat to the base frankly I think speaks less of him as a man and a leader.He could well be a decent guy but as a leader I don’t want him anywhere near the WH if this is his response.

They can’t express legitimate criticism any more than they can legitimately legislate. They are incapable because they have no ideas, nothing to offer; they’re void of anything resembling ability or thought.

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Chan Kobun  Jul 22, 2015 • 8:51:44pm

re: #201 blueraven

By that measure, a urinal puck is much like a snack cake: both are firmly-shaped, both are colorful and emit some kind of pleasing (or at least not stomach-turning) odor, and therefore a urinal puck is fine to eat.

“Don’t eat the big white mint.”

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HappyWarrior  Jul 22, 2015 • 8:51:55pm

Really Republicans if your response to Trump is to go “Oh he’s like Obama”, that really is sad and why you shouldn’t be trusted with the office. Actually call a dick a dick. Not everything has to be about your base’s pathological hatred of President Obama.

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BeachDem  Jul 22, 2015 • 8:51:59pm

re: #198 Higgs Boson’s Mate

When it comes to this lot, I credit them all with near-infinite cravenness and mendacity.

What’s that smell in this room? Didn’t you notice it, Brick? Didn’t you notice a powerful and obnoxious odor of mendacity in this room?

—Harvey ‘Big Daddy’ Pollitt, Cat on a Hot Tin Roof

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Chan Kobun  Jul 22, 2015 • 8:52:34pm

re: #202 WhatEVs

I fail to see where I implied any such thing. “Angry” does not necessarily mean “assholish”.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 22, 2015 • 8:52:43pm

re: #205 WhatEVs

They can’t express legitimate criticism any more than they can legitimately legislate. They are incapable because they have no ideas, nothing to offer; they’re void of anything resembling ability or thought.

Which is why they’re offering the same economic program that they offered when my mother was in college.

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Charles Johnson  Jul 22, 2015 • 8:53:06pm
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Dark_Falcon  Jul 22, 2015 • 8:54:33pm

re: #170 BeachDem

How about this—they could fucking stand for something they believe in and tell people why. I know—how novel. If poor wittle Marco has to derp to avoid getting savaged by voters who don’t trust him, he’s in the wrong business.

The “just stand up” idea does really work in this case except for someone like, yes, Donald Trump, who has enough money that parts of the base are willing to believe him when he says he’ll tell business seeking cheap labor “No dice, you’ll have to pay higher labor costs.”, because Trump could afford to forgo the campaign monies offered by those businesses.

Marco Rubio doesn’t have enough money to do something like that, so he’s stuck between two competing interests within the Republican Party, both of which are too strong for him to effectively oppose. So instead he tries to keep both factions sufficiently not unhappy enough with him to have a shot at winning.

I don’t love it, but the days when a politician could resolve questions about himself on an issue with one very-good speech, as Richard Nixon did with his “Checkers Speech”, are gone. Today that sort of standing up will be reduced to a few sound bytes, with most people never hearing or reading most of the speech or idea.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 22, 2015 • 8:54:54pm

Seems to me that you have two mindsets in the GOP of Trump. One that loves his assholishness and considers it a breath of fresh and another that sees Obama in Trump. You know there’s option C and the guy is just an asshole. But then again we are talking about a party/ideology that tends to see things in black and white so there’s not much nuance here.

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WhatEVs  Jul 22, 2015 • 8:56:40pm

re: #209 Chan Kobun

I fail to see where I implied any such thing. “Angry” does not necessarily mean “assholish”.

You said “because he had to” because he’d otherwise be the Angry Black Man. THAT’S what I disagree with.

When I say “asshole” I meant the inner asshole, someone who just turns into a dick, even situationally, which Obama doesn’t do.

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Chan Kobun  Jul 22, 2015 • 8:56:40pm

Apropos of nothing, I know a lot of people here have Twitter accouints and tend to repost a lot of things. I just want to know how you do it - do you have some kind of script that does it? I could really use that on Saturday nights.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 22, 2015 • 8:57:52pm

re: #212 Dark_Falcon

The “just stand up” idea does really work in this case except for someone like, yes, Donald Trump, who has enough money that parts of the base are willing to believe him when he says he’ll tell business seeking cheap labor “No dice, you’ll have to pay higher labor costs.”, because Trump could afford to forgo the campaign monies offered by those businesses.

Marco Rubio doesn’t have enough money to do something like that, so he’s stuck between two competing interests within the Republican Party, both of which are too strong for him to effectively oppose. So instead he tries to keep both factions sufficiently not unhappy enough with him to have a shot at winning.

I don’t love it, but the days when a politician could resolve questions about himself on an issue with one very-good speech, as Richard Nixon did with his “Checkers Speech”, are gone. Today that sort of standing up will be reduced to a few sound bytes, with most people never hearing or reading most of the speech or idea.

Or he could speak as a child of immigrants himself ya know. Someone who has benefited from a liberal yes that word immigration policy and put himself through school and now is running for president. I don’t like him at all but I would find that respectable rather than him trying to weasel his way between your party’s parts that only support immigration reform for the cheap labor and those that oppose immigration reform because they believe Trump’s xenophobic bs. He needs to stop acting like a coward and act like a leader. As I said the man is running for President. He’s acting like he’s trying to referee both sides of a bar argument between two drunks by appeasing both and making neither happy in the process. Do you really want that kind of man to be President?

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bratwurst  Jul 22, 2015 • 8:58:52pm
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Chan Kobun  Jul 22, 2015 • 8:58:53pm

re: #214 WhatEVs

You said “because he had to” because he’d otherwise be the Angry Black Man. THAT’S what I disagree with.

I think you misread me. I don’t mean “PBO is hiding his Angry Black Man side”, I mean “if PBO shows any kind of anger or anything even resembling anger, the media (led by Repubs, of course) will call him an Angry Black Man”.

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WhatEVs  Jul 22, 2015 • 8:59:50pm

re: #215 Chan Kobun

Apropos of nothing, I know a lot of people here have Twitter accouints and tend to repost a lot of things. I just want to know how you do it - do you have some kind of script that does it? I could really use that on Saturday nights.

Just copy the tweets’ URL, paste it in the comment box and Post. Done.

Charles made that easy-peasy.

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Dark_Falcon  Jul 22, 2015 • 9:00:04pm

re: #212 Dark_Falcon

And to clear, I think Donald Trump is a doxxing, racist asshole, and I was not praising him in any way. But Trump does have what another Donald, this one surnamed Rumsfeld, called “Fuck You Money”, meaning in this case to not need to cater to a given donor group or donor groups in general, because the candidate has enough money to self-finance. I was describing an advantage Trump has, and was not trying to call that advantage a point in his favor morally.

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RealityBasedSteve  Jul 22, 2015 • 9:00:10pm

Evening Lizards….

Saw something interesting on Salon today, 6 of the GOP Clown Car Caravan say that running for President is “God’s Plan”. They are, in no particular order than the article….

Scott Walker
John Kasich
Ben Carson
Rick Perry
Rick Santorum
Mike Huckabee

All I can say is either their God is a sadistic bastard who can’t make up his mind, or the worst bookie in the world.

My New Rule…. Whenever a candidate says “I’m running because God told me to”…. I’m going to bet the under on him.

More at Salon….

RBS

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HappyWarrior  Jul 22, 2015 • 9:00:39pm

Most of us have someone in our family or friend circle that is either an immigrant themselves or is a child of one. I’ve always found myself able to empathize with the struggles of immigrants because I remember my mom’s folks talking about what their parents went through as immigrants. In some ways, I think they had it a little more difficult than Spanish speaking immigrants of today since the language transition was much more tougher. It seems to me that the GOP has forgotten the struggles of immigrants. People come here because they want a better life. That’s why my ancestors came here, that’s why Rubio’s folks came here even if they weren’t fleeing Castro like he said, etc.

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blueraven  Jul 22, 2015 • 9:00:59pm

re: #212 Dark_Falcon

The “just stand up” idea does really work in this case except for someone like, yes, Donald Trump, who has enough money that parts of the base are willing to believe him when he says he’ll tell business seeking cheap labor “No dice, you’ll have to pay higher labor costs.”, because Trump could afford to forgo the campaign monies offered by those businesses.

Marco Rubio doesn’t have enough money to do something like that, so he’s stuck between two competing interests within the Republican Party, both of which are too strong for him to effectively oppose. So instead he tries to keep both factions sufficiently not unhappy enough with him to have a shot at winning.

I don’t love it, but the days when a politician could resolve questions about himself on an issue with one very-good speech, as Richard Nixon did with his “Checkers Speech”, are gone. Today that sort of standing up will be reduced to a few sound bytes, with most people never hearing or reading most of the speech or idea.

wow.

I will never allow such cynicism to guide my political outlook. You need a fucking bath.

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Chan Kobun  Jul 22, 2015 • 9:02:10pm

re: #219 WhatEVs

I don’t mean here, I mean on Twitter.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 22, 2015 • 9:02:19pm

You can please some of the people all the time but you can’t please all of the people all of the time.

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WhatEVs  Jul 22, 2015 • 9:02:46pm

re: #218 Chan Kobun

I think you misread me. I don’t mean “PBO is hiding his Angry Black Man side”, I mean “if PBO shows any kind of anger or anything even resembling anger, the media (led by Repubs, of course) will call him an Angry Black Man”.

I agree with that because, well, they’re republicans. That’s what they do.

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BeachDem  Jul 22, 2015 • 9:03:56pm

re: #212 Dark_Falcon

The “just stand up” idea does really work in this case except for someone like, yes, Donald Trump, who has enough money that parts of the base are willing to believe him when he says he’ll tell business seeking cheap labor “No dice, you’ll have to pay higher labor costs.”, because Trump could afford to forgo the campaign monies offered by those businesses.

Marco Rubio doesn’t have enough money to do something like that, so he’s stuck between two competing interests within the Republican Party, both of which are too strong for him to effectively oppose. So instead he tries to keep both factions sufficiently not unhappy enough with him to have a shot at winning.

I don’t love it, but the days when a politician could resolve questions about himself on an issue with one very-good speech, as Richard Nixon did with his “Checkers Speech”, are gone. Today that sort of standing up will be reduced to a few sound bytes, with most people never hearing or reading most of the speech or idea.

Interesting that you read that as “stand up,” when what I said was“stand for something” as in have a sincerely held belief and conviction about something.

Remember the old adage, If you don’t stand for something, you’ll fall for anything.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 22, 2015 • 9:04:30pm

Really if you’re more worried about what some guy who can only tweet 140 characters at you at a time has to say rather than what’s best overall for the country than maybe you shouldn’t be running for president. I admit. I try to avoid political conflict when chatting with people whose ideologies aren’t much like mine but I am not running for President either nor suggesting that that the President doesn’t know what he’s doing.

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WhatEVs  Jul 22, 2015 • 9:04:36pm

re: #221 RealityBasedSteve

Kasich did?? Really??

And he was supposed to be the sane one.

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stpaulbear  Jul 22, 2015 • 9:05:09pm

re: #212 Dark_Falcon

I can’t help but read your arguments as boiling down to ‘Rubio knows that he needs to appeal to stupid people, and he will do whatever is necessary to win their votes’.

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Higgs Boson's Mate  Jul 22, 2015 • 9:05:39pm

re: #222 HappyWarrior

I had to flee Castro. Yep, moved all the way up 24th to the edge of Noe Valley when the rents went up back in the 80s.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 22, 2015 • 9:06:28pm

re: #231 Higgs Boson’s Mate

I had to flee Castro. Yep, moved all the way up 24th to the edge of Noe Valley when the rents went up back in the 80s.

You brave soul. But yeah I had to get that dig in at Rubio for lying about his parents emigration story.

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RealityBasedSteve  Jul 22, 2015 • 9:07:14pm

re: #229 WhatEVs

Kasich did?? Really??

And he was supposed to be the sane one.

I guess that technically he’s waiting on a confirmation call on it… but yea… looks that way.

John Kasich waited for a message from God before becoming the 16th Republican to enter the presidential race this week. During an appearance on NBC’s “Meet The Press” earlier this year, Gov. Kasich explained to host Chuck Todd that he was exploring what the the Lord wants before to deciding to enter the race:

My family is a consideration, and number two, the most important thing is, what does the Lord want me to do with my life? You know, he puts us on Earth, all of us on Earth, to achieve certain purposes, and I’m trying to determine if this is what the Lord wants, and I’m not going to figure that out laying in bed hoping lightning strikes, so I’m out there one foot in front of another. We’ll see what happens.

RBS

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stpaulbear  Jul 22, 2015 • 9:07:48pm

re: #221 RealityBasedSteve

I can’t believe it’s only six.

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WhatEVs  Jul 22, 2015 • 9:09:14pm

re: #224 Chan Kobun

I don’t mean here, I mean on Twitter.

Same way. Use the URL from an article and paste it in the tweet box (the photo with the first line) automatically displays in the resulting tweet.

To tweet a comment, get the URL by clicking on the comment number (this one will be 239 or so) and paste that in the tweet.

Is that what you meant?

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Higgs Boson's Mate  Jul 22, 2015 • 9:09:59pm

re: #232 HappyWarrior

You brave soul.

It was hell: whole neighborhoods of superannuated hippies and aging queens living on Social Security fleeing with whatever they could carry.

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RealityBasedSteve  Jul 22, 2015 • 9:10:00pm

re: #234 stpaulbear

I can’t believe it’s only six.

What’s the old line… “God so loved the world that he didn’t send a committee.”?

RBS

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WhatEVs  Jul 22, 2015 • 9:10:18pm

re: #228 HappyWarrior

Really if you’re more worried about what some guy who can only tweet 140 characters at you at a time has to say rather than what’s best overall for the country than maybe you shouldn’t be running for president. I admit. I try to avoid political conflict when chatting with people whose ideologies aren’t much like mine but I am not running for President either nor suggesting that that the President doesn’t know what he’s doing.

And what’s he gonna do, bomb Putin when Putin says something insulting?

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BeachDem  Jul 22, 2015 • 9:10:48pm

re: #229 WhatEVs

Kasich did?? Really??

And he was supposed to be the sane one.

He’s been thumping his Bible pretty furiously the past few months. I think he thinks that his pious act will be cover for when his snarky, sarcastic, mean personality starts to show through.

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WhatEVs  Jul 22, 2015 • 9:11:43pm

re: #233 RealityBasedSteve

Ugh.

Ok, there’s literally not one fucking same republican.

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WhatEVs  Jul 22, 2015 • 9:12:58pm

re: #239 BeachDem

He’s been thumping his Bible pretty furiously the past few months. I think he thinks that his pious act will be cover for when his snarky, sarcastic, mean personality starts to show through.

Can’t imagine the issue. Republicans love them some assholishness. Feature not bug.

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teleskiguy  Jul 22, 2015 • 9:13:19pm

re: #233 RealityBasedSteve

GOD TALKS TO ME should disqualify a person from office. Alas…

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BeachDem  Jul 22, 2015 • 9:16:02pm

re: #241 WhatEVs

Can’t imagine the issue. Republicans love them some assholishness. Feature not bug.

Yeah, but they like them some down and dirty, rasslin’ style assholes. Kasich’s more of a Wall Street wanker with more highbrow (to them) nastiness. He gets a whiny, sarcastic tone to his voice that just makes you want to slap the shit out of him.

(He was actually my rep way back in the day—I’ve disliked him for decades, I tell you, DECADES!)

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Higgs Boson's Mate  Jul 22, 2015 • 9:16:42pm

re: #242 teleskiguy

GOD TALKS TO ME should disqualify a person from office. Alas…

Ironic, innit? If someone stood up there and said, “My invisible friend talks to me all the time,” that person would be heckled off of the rostrum.

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stpaulbear  Jul 22, 2015 • 9:22:36pm

re: #244 Higgs Boson’s Mate

Ironic, innit? If someone stood up there and said, “My invisible friend talks to me all the time,” that person would be heckled off of the rostrum.

Clint Eastwood kind of softened them up to the idea.

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Dark_Falcon  Jul 23, 2015 • 3:15:19am

re: #212 Dark_Falcon

The “just stand up” idea does not really work in this case except for someone like, yes, Donald Trump, who has enough money that parts of the base are willing to believe him when he says he’ll tell business seeking cheap labor “No dice, you’ll have to pay higher labor costs.”, because Trump could afford to forgo the campaign monies offered by those businesses.

Marco Rubio doesn’t have enough money to do something like that, so he’s stuck between two competing interests within the Republican Party, both of which are too strong for him to effectively oppose. So instead he tries to keep both factions sufficiently not unhappy enough with him to have a shot at winning.

I don’t love it, but the days when a politician could resolve questions about himself on an issue with one very-good speech, as Richard Nixon did with his “Checkers Speech”, are gone. Today that sort of standing up will be reduced to a few sound bytes, with most people never hearing or reading most of the speech or idea.

PIMF

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FemNaziBitch  Jul 23, 2015 • 5:34:41am

This Study Shows That Everything You Think You Know About Penises Is Wrong
 -Policy Mic

But when it comes right down to it, the latest penis study doesn’t outline a list of dick beauty standards so much as it proves what women have been trying to tell their male partners for years: Guys, it doesn’t really matter what your penis looks like as long as you know how to use it. Also, it’s probably a good idea to trim your bushes.

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Charles Johnson  Jul 23, 2015 • 10:13:37am

Wow. Chuck Johnson just published the private address of Jose Antonio Vargas at his garbage website.

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The Mulai  Jul 24, 2015 • 11:26:39am

Perry is an idiot. He proved that 4 years ago. He is running for President as a Bush lapdog for the purpose of attacking Bush’s main opposition. Perry is barely above zero with the polls. He may not get in the 1st debate. Perry’s reward will be a cabinet position if Bush becomes President.


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