Image of the Week: A Global Mosaic of Pluto in True Color

To the moon, Alice
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Image Credit: NASA/JHUAPL/SwRI

The colors in this image of Pluto from the New Horizons spacecraft aren’t simulated or enhanced; they’re the real deal. Very close to what a human eye would see if that person was flying past Pluto at 36,000 miles per hour. They were captured by Ball Aerospace’s Ralph instrument, named after Ralph Kramden in “The Honeymooners.” Yes, really.

Four images from New Horizons’ Long Range Reconnaissance Imager (LORRI) were combined with color data from the Ralph instrument to create this sharper global view of Pluto. (The lower right edge of Pluto in this view currently lacks high-resolution color coverage.) The images, taken when the spacecraft was 280,000 miles (450,000 kilometers) away from Pluto, show features as small as 1.4 miles (2.2 kilometers). That’s twice the resolution of the single-image view captured on July 13 and revealed at the approximate time of New Horizons’ July 14 closest approach.

Bonus: an amazing simulated fly-over of some of the terrain photographed by New Horizons:

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283 comments

1
Single-handed sailor  Jul 24, 2015 • 6:09:03pm

I think you want this photo, that’s the old photo.

Pluto in false color
2
Charles Johnson  Jul 24, 2015 • 6:10:25pm

re: #1 Single-handed sailor

No, that’s the enhanced color image. Maybe more impressive, but the colors have been artificially exaggerated to bring out more detail.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jul 24, 2015 • 6:11:40pm

I really expected it to look more or less exactly like Triton. Maroon with a white heart on it would never have occurred to me.

4
Varek Raith  Jul 24, 2015 • 6:12:56pm

Methane and hydrogen ice.
Sounds fun.

5
Chan Kobun  Jul 24, 2015 • 6:17:58pm

Pluto’s just a bit farther than the Moon, though, so why the Kramden ref?

6
klys (maker of Silmarils)  Jul 24, 2015 • 6:18:30pm

Makes the 1200 miles down so far seem rather insignificant.

(Still 2000+ to go.)

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Aunty Entity Dragon  Jul 24, 2015 • 6:19:02pm

How much is the light enhanced, I wonder? Not much sunlight that far out.

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TedStriker  Jul 24, 2015 • 6:19:51pm

re: #5 Chan Kobun

Pluto’s just a bit farther than the Moon, though, so why the Kramden ref?

It’s part of a matched set:

In a nod to the classic ’50s television show, “The Honeymooners,” Ralph is paired with Alice, an ultraviolet imaging spectrometer, built by SwRI. Ralph’s suite of detectors is fed by a three mirror telescope with a resolution 10 times higher than the human eye. Small but powerful, Ralph weighs only 23 pounds and uses only about seven watts, the power of a standard night light. The entire telescope operates around 220 K (-60°F) in the cold darkness of the outer solar system.

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Single-handed sailor  Jul 24, 2015 • 6:21:57pm

re: #7 Aunty Entity Dragon

How much is the light enhanced, I wonder? Not much sunlight that far out.

Pluto at noon is like late dusk here. See NASA’s Pluto Time.

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Jay C  Jul 24, 2015 • 6:23:51pm

re: #7 Aunty Entity Dragon

How much is the light enhanced, I wonder? Not much sunlight that far out.

Good question: Pluto is a bit far out from the Sun (to say the least) - one has to wonder if the light level - and/or the detail - has been “enhanced” - by technology - or if the features of the dwarf planet would really look like this to a human astronaut flitting by ; though I’m sure they’d have to look pretty quickly at 38000 kpm (or whatever)…

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De Kolta Chair  Jul 24, 2015 • 6:25:08pm

From Phil Plait’s Bad Astronomy:

Behold:

That was taken when New Horizons was about 2 million kilometers (1.2 million miles) past Pluto, when the tiny rock and ice world was very nearly between the spacecraft and the Sun. New Horizons looked over its shoulder, back at Pluto, to capture this breathtaking picture.

The ring of light you are seeing? That’s Pluto’s atmosphere! Light passing through that cold, thin, nitrogen gas gets scattered, bent, and we see it as a halo surrounding the night side of Pluto.

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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Jul 24, 2015 • 6:25:36pm

re: #1 Single-handed sailor

I think you want this photo, that’s the old photo.

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im so ocd i have an urge to clean it

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jul 24, 2015 • 6:25:48pm

re: #8 TedStriker

Is that temperature correct? Seems way too warm for space.

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TedStriker  Jul 24, 2015 • 6:29:28pm

re: #13 Eclectic Cyborg

Is that temperature correct? Seems way too warm for space.

Yeah, I thought that was a bit high, but it’s what’s on the Ball (as in mason jars) Aerospace site.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jul 24, 2015 • 6:30:44pm

This shit is just too cool.

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Jay C  Jul 24, 2015 • 6:30:50pm

re: #10 Jay C

Actually, 49,600 kmph/30,800 mph

Still pretty fast….

17
Varek Raith  Jul 24, 2015 • 6:30:53pm
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whitebeach  Jul 24, 2015 • 6:31:46pm

re: #7 Aunty Entity Dragon

How much is the light enhanced, I wonder? Not much sunlight that far out.

Unlike the cameras I grew up with, those of the past couple of decades can get images from almost no light. Now and then on TV you’ll see a golf tournament, for one example, where it’s about to be suspended for darkness and the players can’t even see their shots land, but the image on screen looks no worse than a cloudy afternoon.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 24, 2015 • 6:35:47pm

niterz, lizardz!

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Chan Kobun  Jul 24, 2015 • 6:36:33pm

re: #11 De Kolta Chair

I saw that and inspiration suddenly hit:

Pluto

If we can’t get some kind of tense, atmospheric, story-driven game out of this Pluto craze, then we fail as a society.

21
Archangelus  Jul 24, 2015 • 6:41:17pm

re: #20 Chan Kobun

Nice font/design! What software did you use for that effect?

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De Kolta Chair  Jul 24, 2015 • 6:41:39pm

A six-minute clip from Stanley Kubrick: A Life in Pictures (2001), about the camera and lenses (originally developed for NASA) he used to film parts of Barry Lyndon (1975) by candlelight:

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Pawn of the Oppressor  Jul 24, 2015 • 6:41:57pm

Science Twitter was abuzz about the new data today. Somewhere in my feed is a comparison photo between Titan and Pluto, photographed the same backlit way, and they’re indistinguishable. One scientist commented that when the back-lit horizon image came in, everybody kind of stopped what they were doing and stared.

Flowing solid nitrogen ice glaciers. ‘nuff said. O_O

Edit:

There has also been a lot of comparing Pluto to food. For my money, Charon resembles the core of a Jawbreaker after the candy shell is sucked away, and exaggerated-color Pluto reminds me of melting ice cream.

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A Cranky One  Jul 24, 2015 • 6:41:59pm

re: #15 Blind Frog Belly White

This shit is just too cool.

VERY cool.

At its warmest, when it is closest to the sun, Pluto can reach temperatures of minus 369 degrees Fahrenheit (minus 223 degrees Celsius). At its coolest, temperatures can fall to minus 387 degrees F (minus 233 C).

Pluto in the unenhanced image even looks cold, cold, cold. Brrrrrr…

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Chan Kobun  Jul 24, 2015 • 6:42:46pm

re: #21 Archangelus

Just Photoshop.

26
Charles Johnson  Jul 24, 2015 • 6:52:10pm

Dana Loesch has picked up a black sidekick to legitimize her thinly veiled racist commentary.

@LawrenceBJones3

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Chan Kobun  Jul 24, 2015 • 6:55:01pm

In the meantime, here’s a musical interlude:
Electric Youth - Tomorrow
Video

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#FergusonFireside  Jul 24, 2015 • 6:57:08pm

Woman in Gold V. Birdman

What should I watch

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De Kolta Chair  Jul 24, 2015 • 7:00:12pm

re: #26 Charles Johnson

Dana Loesch has picked up a black sidekick to legitimize her thinly veiled racist commentary.

@LawrenceBJones3

Washington Post, April 6th: Conservative commentator Lawrence B. Jones behind crowdfunding for Ind. pizza shop that won’t cater gay wedding

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Charles Johnson  Jul 24, 2015 • 7:00:35pm
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Charles Johnson  Jul 24, 2015 • 7:01:48pm
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Charles Johnson  Jul 24, 2015 • 7:02:02pm
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Chan Kobun  Jul 24, 2015 • 7:03:09pm

re: #31 Charles Johnson

I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again: It’s always too soon, until it’s too late.

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Belafon  Jul 24, 2015 • 7:04:56pm

re: #31 Charles Johnson

Then it’s also not the time to talk about loosening gun controls.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 24, 2015 • 7:05:54pm

re: #31 Charles Johnson

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Maybe if someone shot up at the governor’s mansion in Baton Rouge. He’d have a change of heart. So it’s perfectly clear. I am NOT advocating that at all but merely suggesting that if gun violence came close to home for the pandering twit that he might see why sane gun control is needed badly.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 24, 2015 • 7:06:19pm

re: #34 Belafon

Then it’s also not the time to talk about loosening gun controls.

Shhh. Not like that will stop him and his like minded band of assholes.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jul 24, 2015 • 7:08:04pm

re: #33 Chan Kobun

I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again: It’s always too soon, until it’s too late.

Funny how “Too Soon” and “Old News” overlap, innit?

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HappyWarrior  Jul 24, 2015 • 7:10:16pm

When is the time to talk gun control though?
Wasn’t after a bunch of high school kids got shot in Columbine
Wasn’t when college students were shot up at Virginia Tech.
Wasn’t when first graders were shot up
It wasn’t when black church goers were.
So when is the time to talk? I already know the answer. It’s never because Jindal and his allies in the gun lobby want to blame everything including homosexuality and President Obama for mass shootings more than they do the lax gun policies that allow a bigoted asshole with a violent agenda to get a weapon.

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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Jul 24, 2015 • 7:15:43pm

breaking

Several shot in Artesia, Calif., police say; no word on condition of victims

nbclosangeles.com

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HappyWarrior  Jul 24, 2015 • 7:18:36pm

re: #39 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸

breaking

Several shot in Artesia, Calif., police say; no word on condition of victims

nbclosangeles.com

Fuck.

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Chan Kobun  Jul 24, 2015 • 7:22:42pm

And it’s too soon again.

42
FormerDirtDart  Jul 24, 2015 • 7:25:17pm

Why isn’t this contemptuous bastard in jail yet?

PHOENIX (AP) — In an angry rebuke, a judge on Friday ordered the U.S. Marshals Service to seize a collection of records from Sheriff Joe Arpaio’s office and leveled harsh criticism at the sheriff’s lawyers for failing to turn over documents that had been requested months ago in a racial profiling case.

U.S. District Judge Murray Snow’s criticism centered on the agency’s failure to hand over more than 1,400 identification documents in a related investigation into allegations that deputies pocketed items during busts.

The judge also focused on the agency’s refusal to turn over 50 hard drives from Arpaio’s secret investigation involving the judge.

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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Jul 24, 2015 • 7:30:19pm

I lost my dad to Fox News: How a generation was captured by thrashing hysteria

Old, white, wrinkled and angry, they are slipping from polite society in alarming numbers. We’re losing much of a generation. They often sport hats or other clothing, some marking their status as veterans, Tea Partyers or “patriots” of some kind or another. They have yellow flags, bumper stickers and an unquenchable rage. They used to be the brave men and women who took on America’s challenges, tackling the ’60s, the Cold War and the Reagan years — but now many are terrified by the idea of slightly more affordable healthcare and a very moderate Democrat in the White House.

We’re losing people like my father to the despair of Fox News, and it’s all by design.

My dad is 67 years old, a full year younger than the average Fox viewer, who is 68, according to an analysis in New York magazine by columnist Frank Rich. I’ve read accounts of people my age — 40 or so — losing parents to cancer or Alzheimer’s, but just as big a tragedy are the crops of grandmothers and grandfathers debilitated by Fox News-induced hysteria.

I enjoyed Fox News for many years, as a libertarian and frequent Republican voter. I used to share many, though not all, of my father’s values, but something happened over the past few years. As I drifted left, the white, Republican right veered into incalculable levels of conservative rage, arriving at their inevitable destination with the creation of the Tea Party movement.

When I finally pulled the handle for Obama in 2012, my father could not believe how far I’d fallen. I have avoided talking politics with him as much as possible ever since. Last week, I invited him to my house for dinner with the express purpose of talking about politics and most especially his Fox News addiction. Since he retired, he only watches Fox. As we started chatting up politics, I repeated one mantra over and over: “Please, please, consume another source of information.” I repeated my plea a dozen times. He defended with stridency his choices, citing his favorites, like Stuart Varney, “The Five” and the great Charles Krauthammer. When it came to any other source of information he was emphatic.

“I don’t care to see any more of that liberal bullshit,” he said in one form or another all night.

We rehashed some issues, starting with his absolute skepticism about global warming and evolution. “Science and religion are the same thing,” he said. And, “We didn’t come from a fucking monkey,” he added like he always does.

In real life Archie Bunker isn’t that cute. If he’s Archie, that makes me either Meat Head or Sallie Struthers (the very definition of lose-lose).

I’m overeducated in the humanities, so I’m an imperfect ambassador for science. I respect scholarship, peer review and the scientific method. When I tell my dad he should believe the experts in climate science, he gets really mad.

“Global warming is your religion,” he says. Because I’m an atheist, calling me religious is the worst insult he can summon, so he uses it often.

My father sincerely believes that science is a political plot, Christians are America’s most persecuted minority and Barack Obama is a full-blown communist. He supports the use of force without question, as long as it’s aimed at foreigners. He thinks liberals are all stupid, ignorant fucks who hate America.

I don’t recall my father being so hostile when I was growing up. He was conservative, to be sure, but conventionally and thoughtfully so. He is a kind and generous man and a good father, but over the past five or 10 years, he’s become so conservative that I can’t even find a label for it.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jul 24, 2015 • 7:31:06pm
Flying over Pluto’s icy plains and Hillary Mountains

OUTRAEG!!11!! TEHY NAME MONTAINS AFTER HITLERTY!!11!!

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teleskiguy  Jul 24, 2015 • 7:31:10pm

The sky at my twenty has turned into something out of a goddamned Monet painting. Just jaw-dropping gorgeous.

Picture doesn’t do it justice, at all.

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De Kolta Chair  Jul 24, 2015 • 7:31:15pm

re: #20 Chan Kobun

I saw that and inspiration suddenly hit:

Nice!

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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Jul 24, 2015 • 7:32:21pm

What has changed? He consumes a daily diet of nothing except Fox News. He has for a decade or more. He has no email account and doesn’t watch sports. He refuses to so much as touch a keyboard and has never been on the Internet, ever. He thinks higher education destroys people, not only because of Fox News, but also because I drifted left during and after graduate school.

I do not blame or condemn my father for his opinions. If you consumed a daily diet of right-wing fury, erroneously labeled “news,” you could very likely end up in the same place. Again, this is all by design. Let’s call it the Fox News effect. Take sweet, kindly senior citizens and feed them a steady stream of demagoguery and repetition, all wrapped in the laughable slogan of “fair and balanced.” Even watching the commercials on Fox, one is treated to sales pitches for gold and emergency food rations, the product cornerstones of the paranoid. To some people the idea of retirees yelling at the television all day may seem funny, but this isn’t a joke. We’re losing the nation’s grandparents, and it’s an American tragedy.

People talk about the imminent “death” of Fox News itself, because of an ever-aging demographic. Again, Frank Rich makes this case, but I think his argument is dubious. Certainly the audience is graying to oblivion, but it’s a cold comfort to those of us who watch our parents or grandparents drown in an incessant downpour of outrage. We will only see the “End of Fox News” when my father and his contemporaries die. I do not want to watch my father and his entire generation spend their remaining years enraged at utter nonsense.

My cohort, Generation X, is stuck between two generations of suffering Americans. The millennial generation is losing job opportunities and income as the nation stagnates. They put off marriage and buying homes. While white, Fox News-addicted baby boomers have lost their sense of hope. They’ve been passed over by shifting attitudes about gay marriage, the role of government and a host of issues. They still think of themselves as the “silent majority,” when in reality they are a wounded and thrashing legacy of white hegemony. My parents’ generation is becoming fragile antiques, relics by choice, reassured by Fox News that they are still the only voice that matters.

I, and people like me, have managed to break the cycle of conservative red-and race-baiting. I’ve noticed similar attitude shifts among some of my close friends, who have likewise drifted from the televised rage of our fathers. I only wish I could do something to ease the anxiety of those I love, an emotion that is a cash cow for exploitative right-wing commentators. But I have no real solution, other than to turn off the television. Sadly, for some of the nation’s elderly, they seem to have no desire whatsoever to rethink the politics of fear and Fox News. It’s a criminal waste of retirement.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 24, 2015 • 7:33:05pm

re: #43 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸

I lost my dad to Fox News: How a generation was captured by thrashing hysteria

Old, white, wrinkled and angry, they are slipping from polite society in alarming numbers. We’re losing much of a generation. They often sport hats or other clothing, some marking their status as veterans, Tea Partyers or “patriots” of some kind or another. They have yellow flags, bumper stickers and an unquenchable rage. They used to be the brave men and women who took on America’s challenges, tackling the ’60s, the Cold War and the Reagan years — but now many are terrified by the idea of slightly more affordable healthcare and a very moderate Democrat in the White House.

We’re losing people like my father to the despair of Fox News, and it’s all by design.

My dad is 67 years old, a full year younger than the average Fox viewer, who is 68, according to an analysis in New York magazine by columnist Frank Rich. I’ve read accounts of people my age — 40 or so — losing parents to cancer or Alzheimer’s, but just as big a tragedy are the crops of grandmothers and grandfathers debilitated by Fox News-induced hysteria.

I enjoyed Fox News for many years, as a libertarian and frequent Republican voter. I used to share many, though not all, of my father’s values, but something happened over the past few years. As I drifted left, the white, Republican right veered into incalculable levels of conservative rage, arriving at their inevitable destination with the creation of the Tea Party movement.

When I finally pulled the handle for Obama in 2012, my father could not believe how far I’d fallen. I have avoided talking politics with him as much as possible ever since. Last week, I invited him to my house for dinner with the express purpose of talking about politics and most especially his Fox News addiction. Since he retired, he only watches Fox. As we started chatting up politics, I repeated one mantra over and over: “Please, please, consume another source of information.” I repeated my plea a dozen times. He defended with stridency his choices, citing his favorites, like Stuart Varney, “The Five” and the great Charles Krauthammer. When it came to any other source of information he was emphatic.

“I don’t care to see any more of that liberal bullshit,” he said in one form or another all night.

We rehashed some issues, starting with his absolute skepticism about global warming and evolution. “Science and religion are the same thing,” he said. And, “We didn’t come from a fucking monkey,” he added like he always does.

In real life Archie Bunker isn’t that cute. If he’s Archie, that makes me either Meat Head or Sallie Struthers (the very definition of lose-lose).

I’m overeducated in the humanities, so I’m an imperfect ambassador for science. I respect scholarship, peer review and the scientific method. When I tell my dad he should believe the experts in climate science, he gets really mad.

“Global warming is your religion,” he says. Because I’m an atheist, calling me religious is the worst insult he can summon, so he uses it often.

My father sincerely believes that science is a political plot, Christians are America’s most persecuted minority and Barack Obama is a full-blown communist. He supports the use of force without question, as long as it’s aimed at foreigners. He thinks liberals are all stupid, ignorant fucks who hate America.

I don’t recall my father being so hostile when I was growing up. He was conservative, to be sure, but conventionally and thoughtfully so. He is a kind and generous man and a good father, but over the past five or 10 years, he’s become so conservative that I can’t even find a label for it.

I always thought it was pathetic how Fox preys on older people’s fears. At the same time, this makes me glad my Dad is who he is. I’d be shocked if he became a moderate let alone a Fox conservative.

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teleskiguy  Jul 24, 2015 • 7:34:33pm

What a sunset tonight. The alpenglow is incredible.

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FormerDirtDart  Jul 24, 2015 • 7:35:24pm

re: #41 Chan Kobun

And it’s too soon again.

It always is


It always will be
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teleskiguy  Jul 24, 2015 • 7:49:14pm

The most beautiful moments in life always seem so fleeting. At least in my case. The best things that have ever happened to me, the most beautiful things I’ve ever seen, they come, and then they go, just like that.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jul 24, 2015 • 7:49:42pm
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HappyWarrior  Jul 24, 2015 • 7:56:08pm

re: #52 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

Donald Trump bans Iowa’s biggest newspaper from event for calling him a ‘feckless blowhard’

He sure has a way with the press.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 24, 2015 • 7:57:18pm

re: #51 teleskiguy

The most beautiful moments in life always seem so fleeting. At least in my case. The best things that have ever happened to me, the most beautiful things I’ve ever seen, they come, and then they go, just like that.

That’s how I feel about a lot of the trips I’ve made. But they do say time flies when you’re having fun. I still do have many a night where I wish I could still be in Ireland or Portugal, those have been my two favorite countries I’ve visited.

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RealityBasedSteve  Jul 24, 2015 • 8:08:52pm

I’m off to bed… have a good evening and I’ll check in sometime tomorrow.

RBS

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Amory Blaine  Jul 24, 2015 • 8:24:51pm

re: #31 Charles Johnson

He’s so brave. So brave.

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Charles Johnson  Jul 24, 2015 • 8:28:06pm
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piratedan  Jul 24, 2015 • 8:34:02pm

re: #57 Charles Johnson

was likening it to Republican political thought… endless swaths of nothingness, an expansive void with nary a nuance of anything of note.

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The Ghost of a Flea  Jul 24, 2015 • 8:39:21pm

re: #58 piratedan

was likening it to Republican political thought… endless swaths of nothingness, an expansive void with nary a nuance of anything of note.

Also, made of frozen fart gas.

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LoonRadio  Jul 24, 2015 • 8:55:01pm

When I lived in LA, I knew a crew member of the Goodyear blimp. He told me the blimp was shot at something on the order of 25 times a year. I bet many of those same people are shooting at Pluto.

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Great White Snark  Jul 24, 2015 • 9:20:16pm

re: #43 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸

So very sadly true. I could have written a story like that about my own father, less angry and bitter but just as misled.

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CuriousLurker  Jul 24, 2015 • 9:25:59pm

Just came back to drop these off:

I found the names missing from the list of invitees interesting. I wonder how many of the unconfirmed ones will show up…

K, I’m out—g’nite, lizards.

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teleskiguy  Jul 24, 2015 • 9:26:47pm

I’ve been saying this for years. One Kim fucking Kardashian might make it happen.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 24, 2015 • 9:29:10pm

re: #62 CuriousLurker

Just came back to drop these off:

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K, I’m out—g’nite, lizards.

Wouldn’t be a right wing shing dig without wingnut America’s favorite great grandma bigot, Phyilis Schalfry.

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Great White Snark  Jul 24, 2015 • 9:30:30pm

re: #63 teleskiguy

I’ve been saying this for years. One Kim fucking Kardashian might make it happen.

[Embedded content]

Reason wept. If one may riff off the old Jesus wept…

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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Jul 24, 2015 • 9:31:10pm

i just cant help playing up this being over 60 thing for all it’s worth

i dont know somehow i get a big thrill out of being certifiably old

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Amory Blaine  Jul 24, 2015 • 9:43:09pm

Wisconsin Republicans seek to ban sale of fetal body parts, divert federal funding away from Planned Parenthood

The sale of fetal body parts would be banned in Wisconsin and Planned Parenthood could lose millions of dollars in federal funding under bills being circulated by a pair of Republican state representatives.

Reps. Andre Jacque and Joel Kleefisch circulated their proposal banning the sale and use of fetal body parts for co-sponsorship Thursday, with a deadline of Aug. 6. They say the bill is in reaction to recently released videos showing a Planned Parenthood medical director in southern California meeting with people posing as potential buyers of intact fetal specimens.
Federal law prohibits the commercial sale of fetal tissue, but allows not-for-profit donation of tissue with the consent of the woman who had an abortion. Planned Parenthood contends that the payments discussed in the videos pertain to reimbursement for the costs of procuring the tissue, which is legal.

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teleskiguy  Jul 24, 2015 • 9:48:38pm

O_o

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teleskiguy  Jul 24, 2015 • 9:49:42pm

re: #66 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸

i just cant help playing up this being over 60 thing for all it’s worth

i dont know somehow i get a big thrill out of being certifiably old

That big thrill is just you realizing you win at life.

The meaning of life? Not dying!

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HappyWarrior  Jul 24, 2015 • 9:50:37pm

re: #68 teleskiguy

O_o

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Why…………

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Great White Snark  Jul 24, 2015 • 9:58:16pm

Late crowd?

So gun control… As it so happens I got an update from a guy tonight who is a licensed gun dealer. Always been a reliable source for how gun laws work out at retail. The details can surprise even the well informed.

California has passed a great sounding gun control law or two that effectively become a slow moving new handgun ban. It’s terribly detailed, but in the first phase California passed a mfg. safety test protocol where every model of handgun has to be physically tested to destruction and even tiny modifications force a reset, or full resubmission. At considerable expense in fees. Okay so that limited the selection for purchase to those submitted/re/re re submitted models. And that stands at only about 300 models as of 1/1/2016. Guessing maybe a tenth of the real national handgun market?

Phase 2, (not to imply conspiracy just to clearly timeline) some years later a law is passed saying all new guns gotta have microstamp technology in two locations internally. Firing pin and (?) imprints the brass cartridge. Legibly, uniquely. This technology does not exist. If it did it would be easy to beat in court or in a machine shop. As time passes we get a near complete new handgun ban. Unless you have a badge of course. So what is the ordinary target shooter guy to make of all this? Buy while you can maybe? Make a play for the second hand market later, buy a pistol a month while they are still available? Or just sell em all and take up stamp collecting? But wait a ban won’t stand… or will it given the boil a frog slowly methodology. If not methodology, fair to say result then.

Of course the second hand market is not yet affected. That would all go through our state universal registration requirement. FFL, waiting period, b/g check.

Anyway all this submitted tonight for informing not debating the merits of the above. California gets it right in important ways, I respect that. It’s an example for other states in a good way overall.

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Teukka  Jul 24, 2015 • 10:08:24pm

OT, but noted…

Meanwhile, in Sweden…

Police in west Sweden arrested two people on Tuesday following raids on a car and two apartments in the town of Falkenberg, which led to the discovery of the potentially deadly explosives.

A 30-year-old man and a 41-year-old man appeared at Varberg District Court on suspicion of breaching Swedish laws on the possession of flammable and explosive goods.

Sweden Democrats (SD) is roughly the local equivalent of the Tea Party.

They’ve denounced their Nazi past, but members and even elected officials seem to end up connected too them, 5 years after they got elected into parliament…

*smh*

Edit: 550 kg (1213 lbs) of Dynamite.

Edit, take deux: The main suspect (not the SD politico) is allegedly on the record saying “Breivik was a wuss” and wanting to do better than him.

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austin_blue  Jul 24, 2015 • 10:12:53pm

re: #52 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

Donald Trump bans Iowa’s biggest newspaper from event for calling him a ‘feckless blowhard’

re: #53 HappyWarrior

He sure has a way with the press.

I like the term feckless blowhard. Someone put some thought into that description.

But we are a community of very clever humans. Let’s see if we can top “feckless blowhard” as a cogent description of The Donald.

Hey! We’ve got all night!

Rules:

Two syllables, and two syllables.

You know what, fuck that, let’s expand the game!

Four syllables, in any fashion.

Haiku will be a bonus area, 5-7-5 only. Maintain your discipline. Outliers will not be dinged.

Let the Games Begin!

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BeenHereAwhile  Jul 24, 2015 • 10:28:57pm

re: #69 teleskiguy

That big thrill is just you realizing you win at life.

The meaning of life? Not dying!

“Ain’t nothing wrong with getting old.

Means you’re still alive.”

Carolyn Brown

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William Lewis  Jul 24, 2015 • 10:32:47pm

Halloween full moon
Jack o Lantern face with a
Muskrat rug finish.

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William Lewis  Jul 24, 2015 • 10:34:30pm

re: #74 BeenHereAwhile

Daisies are prettier when viewed from the flower side than from the root side…

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teleskiguy  Jul 24, 2015 • 10:39:00pm
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Blind Frog Belly White  Jul 24, 2015 • 10:43:40pm

I just tried to watch Maddow’s interview with Santorum. I couldn’t take more than a few minutes of it. He is so stupid, and so smugly confident in his ignorance, that it made me want to throw my computer across the room. To think that man was the runner up in 2012’s GOP Primary….

What’s worse, I don’t see anyone better in the 2016 model Clown Car.

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Great White Snark  Jul 24, 2015 • 10:45:41pm

re: #77 teleskiguy

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teleskiguy  Jul 24, 2015 • 10:49:18pm

My #77 is a perfect example of why we should be able to *edit* tweets. The iteration you read there took two tweet erasures to make sure the whole damned thing was correct!

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jul 24, 2015 • 10:50:22pm

re: #71 Great White Snark

Honestly? I’m not enamored of the approach of passing this sort of regulation under the guise of enhancing gun safety, but with the clear goal of simply making it harder to obtain guns legally.

It’s the same approach as Texas’ regulation of abortion clinics - regulations everyone knows are not needed that are for the sole purpose of making it harder to do something that is legal.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jul 24, 2015 • 10:57:54pm

Further to above post: I have a friend who is, admittedly, a bit of a gun nut. Not a mouthfrothing NRA stooge, but a guy who likes guns, likes shooting, likes hunting, and acquired some nice ones when he had a contract gig that paid pretty well.

Then he got sick - REALLY sick - and because he was a sole proprietor, lost that contract and most of his savings. But he had those guns. One in particular, a really pretty Colt Python, .357 Magnum, 6” barrel, beautiful blued steel. Worth hundreds of dollars.

I would have been willing to buy it at his asking price, but he couldn’t legally sell it to me, even though we both are legally allowed to own handguns in CA. Why? Because it isn’t on The List. Colt didn’t test a blued .357 Python with 6” barrel. They tested one with a 4” barrel.

He had to sell it out of state.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jul 24, 2015 • 11:01:57pm

re: #80 teleskiguy

My #77 is a perfect example of why we should be able to *edit* tweets. The iteration you read there took two tweet erasures to make sure the whole damned thing was correct!

Mine Furor, I can walk!

“Aw, nuts.”

Mein Furor, I can walk!

“DAMN IT!”

Mein Fuhrer, I can walk!

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jul 24, 2015 • 11:08:26pm

The Trump is malformed.

Toupeéd incongruously,

Gums flap uselessly.

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William Lewis  Jul 24, 2015 • 11:10:53pm

re: #82 Blind Frog Belly White

Similar to that, I sold a S&W Model 625 Mountain Gun in. 45 Colt to a woman in San Francisco. I had to pull apart from the action so that it went into the state as a single action revolver. I could then mail her the part and she could install it to restore the wonderful double action pull it has. All legal. But she could not buy it as a DA revolver.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jul 24, 2015 • 11:14:40pm

Trump is a blowhard

All full of sound and fury

Bullshit, incarnate.

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teleskiguy  Jul 24, 2015 • 11:20:18pm

I talked to Kelly Carlin (George’s daughter) about competitive cycling on Twitter. It was exhilarating.

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teleskiguy  Jul 24, 2015 • 11:30:57pm

This is not a halfpipe! It’s a bunch of quarter pipes!

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teleskiguy  Jul 24, 2015 • 11:38:37pm

re: #83 Blind Frog Belly White

Exactly! (almost)

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teleskiguy  Jul 24, 2015 • 11:43:46pm
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Nyet  Jul 25, 2015 • 2:27:30am

re: #26 Charles Johnson

Dana Loesch has picked up a black sidekick to legitimize her thinly veiled racist commentary.

@LawrenceBJones3

That’s like an antisemite quoting some schmuck like Norman Finkelstein to claim that they’re not antisemitic.

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Nyet  Jul 25, 2015 • 2:30:33am
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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Jul 25, 2015 • 2:42:37am

re: #26 Charles Johnson

Dana Loesch has picked up a black sidekick to legitimize her thinly veiled racist commentary.

@LawrenceBJones3

I only knew her as a photoshopped gun model, but “racial realism” does seem to be part of the package…along with States’ Rights, traditional marriage, creationism and “family values”

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Nyet  Jul 25, 2015 • 3:49:53am

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FormerDirtDart  Jul 25, 2015 • 5:12:29am
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Eventual Carrion  Jul 25, 2015 • 6:04:19am

re: #52 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

Donald Trump bans Iowa’s biggest newspaper from event for calling him a ‘feckless blowhard’

So, The Donald hates the 1st amendment. What other parts of the constitution does he not like while running for a position that takes an oath that the constitution be upheld?

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Jul 25, 2015 • 6:21:03am

re: #96 Eventual Carrion

Why should he even give a feck?

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Bubblehead II  Jul 25, 2015 • 6:24:01am

re: #96 Eventual Carrion

Drive by post as I get ready for work.

So, The Donald hates the 1st amendment. What other parts of the constitution does he not like while running for a position that takes an oath that the constitution be upheld?

Nah, he doesn’t hate the 1st. He just thinks that the 4th Estate should be fawning lapdogs who lap up each and every word he spews. Those that don’t, well they will be punished for their intransigence by being excluded from the presence of the great Donald. He doesn’t seem to realize (or care) that such an attitude will eventually bite him in the ass as he needs the 4th Estate to get his word out to the masses.

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Decatur Deb  Jul 25, 2015 • 6:25:55am

New poll indicates that Trump is getting away with the attack on McCain’s POW experience. It’s a big chunk, but the bottom line is that most GOP respondents like Trump. About 28% plan to vote for him, and 90% expect that he will lose the primary. The clown they like most—Rubio.

today.yougov.com

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Jul 25, 2015 • 6:30:12am

re: #98 Bubblehead II

Drive by post as I get ready for work.

Nah, he doesn’t hate the 1st. He just thinks that the 4th Estate should be fawning lapdogs who lap up each and every word he spews. Those that don’t, well they will be punished for their intransigence by being excluded from the presence of the great Donald. He doesn’t seem to realize (or care) that such an attitude will eventually bite him in the ass as he needs the 4th Estate to get his word out to the masses.

He does not seem to care to differentiate between an independent press and a hired PR department.

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Eventual Carrion  Jul 25, 2015 • 6:33:43am

re: #100 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

He does not seem to care to differentiate between an independent press and a hired PR department.

Sometime it seems the press doesn’t understand that difference either.

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thedopefishlives  Jul 25, 2015 • 6:38:45am

Morning Lizardim. It’s been a long time since I’ve stopped in to see the morning crew. How go things among the lizardfolk on this clear, hot, humid Saturday morning?

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PhillyPretzel  Jul 25, 2015 • 6:39:38am

That Trump person understands business and how to get people’s attention. He does not understand governments and how they work. He wants to run America as a business. I believe that Sun Tzu stated that the military cannot be run like a government. It is very similar with business.

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BlueSpotinAL  Jul 25, 2015 • 6:40:11am

re: #100 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

He does not seem to care to differentiate between an independent press and a hired PR department.

Or stenographers.

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thedopefishlives  Jul 25, 2015 • 6:41:16am

re: #103 PhillyPretzel

That Trump person understands business and how to get people’s attention. He does not understand governments and how they work. He wants to run America as a business. I believe that Sun Tzu stated that the military cannot be run like a government. It is very similar with business.

Actually, that’s debatable as well. As has been covered here repeatedly, Trump’s business ventures have all been abject failures. He’s made most of his money off his fame and from people paying him not to put his name on things.

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PhillyPretzel  Jul 25, 2015 • 6:43:03am

re: #105 thedopefishlives

Very true. It was his bankruptcies that influenced the major changes in the bankruptcy codes.

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thedopefishlives  Jul 25, 2015 • 6:44:45am

re: #106 PhillyPretzel

Very true. It was his bankruptcies that influenced the major changes in the bankruptcy codes.

And people expect him to do differently if he gets elected to the White House. It makes me shudder just thinking about it.

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PhillyPretzel  Jul 25, 2015 • 6:48:23am

re: #107 thedopefishlives

It makes me shudder just thinking about it.

Me too.

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thedopefishlives  Jul 25, 2015 • 6:58:50am

re: #108 PhillyPretzel

It makes me shudder just thinking about it.

Me too.

I think we need to bring back this Cracked article for another spin. Some things change, but the Internet is forever.

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lawhawk  Jul 25, 2015 • 7:00:51am

re: #105 thedopefishlives

Actually, that’s debatable as well. As has been covered here repeatedly, Trump’s business ventures have all been abject failures. He’s made most of his money off his fame and from people paying him not to put his name on things.

His fortune was inherited - he got his start in real estate from his dad’s significant real estate holdings in NYC metro area. His father had built up a huge holding of affordable housing projects around NYC.

Trump’s “genius” was to translate his name into a high end real estate game. His ego then pushed into casinos, airlines, and while it lifted his profile, his ventures weren’t nearly as successful.

4 bankruptcies of casinos shows that his business acumen is overstated.

But he’s quick to call others dummies for business failures or losing money.

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darthstar  Jul 25, 2015 • 7:04:44am

Happy anniversary Test Baker
(watch the video)

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darthstar  Jul 25, 2015 • 7:06:11am

re: #110 lawhawk

His fortune was inherited - he got his start in real estate from his dad’s significant real estate holdings in NYC metro area. His father had built up a hugeYOOOGE holding of affordable housing projects around NYC.

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ftfy

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PhillyPretzel  Jul 25, 2015 • 7:06:19am

re: #111 darthstar

That also makes it the anniversary of the bikini (swimsuit version).

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JadeHelmCurious  Jul 25, 2015 • 7:08:09am

re: #26 Charles Johnson

Dana Loesch has picked up a black sidekick to legitimize her thinly veiled racist commentary.

@LawrenceBJones3

Black conservatives = female MRAs

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darthstar  Jul 25, 2015 • 7:09:04am

And you know who else used to call everyone “dummy”?

That’s right. Fred Sanford.

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thedopefishlives  Jul 25, 2015 • 7:13:37am

re: #110 lawhawk

I knew you’d be along shortly to verify the historical record. I think you were the one that told me that Trump was a bankruptcy king.

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darthstar  Jul 25, 2015 • 7:18:48am
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JadeHelmCurious  Jul 25, 2015 • 7:22:02am

Now is not the time to talk gun control and right wing fanaticism and hate.

OK, now is the time.

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BlueSpotinAL  Jul 25, 2015 • 7:22:36am

re: #113 PhillyPretzel

That also makes it the anniversary of the bikini (swimsuit version).

I prefer no Bikini Atoll.

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JadeHelmCurious  Jul 25, 2015 • 7:23:54am

I don’t like bikinis. They creep up my butt.

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The Ghost of a Flea  Jul 25, 2015 • 7:25:36am

re: #120 JadeHelmCurious

I don’t like bikinis. They creep up my butt.

When you’re wearing one, or is this a more general problem?

Because if the latter, that’s terrifying.

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PhillyPretzel  Jul 25, 2015 • 7:29:27am

re: #120 JadeHelmCurious

I prefer the tank suit myself. amazon.com

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FemNaziBitch  Jul 25, 2015 • 7:49:30am

It is Saturday, I have half of half of my house back, sort-of.

going into week 4 of remodeling hell.

you?

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FemNaziBitch  Jul 25, 2015 • 7:51:24am

Metal Massacre: Gold Sinks to New Five-Year Low, Platinum and Silver to Six-Year Low

think the Whackos that bought all that gold, like Glenn Beck told them to, are blaming Obama?

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FemNaziBitch  Jul 25, 2015 • 7:52:07am

re: #122 PhillyPretzel

I prefer the tank suit myself. amazon.com

Land’s End!

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De Kolta Chair  Jul 25, 2015 • 7:52:16am
“Forget it, Jake. It’s Funkytown.”
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darthstar  Jul 25, 2015 • 7:52:18am
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FemNaziBitch  Jul 25, 2015 • 7:54:17am

re: #100 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

He does not seem to care to differentiate between an independent press and a hired PR department.

Are you sure there is a difference.

Journalism isn’t what it used to be.

(actually, if you look at Revolutionary Times, it was much worse)

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darthstar  Jul 25, 2015 • 7:56:45am

re: #125 FemNaziBitch

Land’s End!

I like the modli.co line…leaves more to the imagination.

I know! Sold out! But there’s still this

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FemNaziBitch  Jul 25, 2015 • 7:57:04am

You know, people kneel and kiss the Pope’s hand.

Isn’t that just a big creepy?

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FemNaziBitch  Jul 25, 2015 • 7:57:22am

re: #129 darthstar

I like the modli.co line…leaves more to the imagination.

Embedded Image

I know! Sold out! But there’s still this

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ah!

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Decatur Deb  Jul 25, 2015 • 7:57:24am

re: #128 FemNaziBitch

Are you sure there is a difference.

Journalism isn’t what it used to be.

(actually, if you look at Revolutionary Times, it was much worse)

(Almost any time, except perhaps the false Age of Reasonableness after WWII.)

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darthstar  Jul 25, 2015 • 7:57:26am

re: #129 darthstar

I like the modli.co line…leaves more to the imagination.

Embedded Image

I know! Sold out! But there’s still this

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Awesome formatting!

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darthstar  Jul 25, 2015 • 7:57:51am

re: #131 FemNaziBitch

ah!

All models as white as Jesus & Mary.

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PhillyPretzel  Jul 25, 2015 • 8:03:41am

re: #124 FemNaziBitch

Link is coming up as a no page screen. I checked kitco.com and I agree gold is going down and oil is down too.

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Decatur Deb  Jul 25, 2015 • 8:04:24am

re: #130 FemNaziBitch

Old habits die hard.

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allegro  Jul 25, 2015 • 8:07:02am

So I was having a lovely evening last night all snuggled in on my bed reading a great book when at about 11 I got up to do nightie chores. Couldn’t have taken 5 minutes to check the door, feed Mo the fish, and turn out the lights. Happily plopped my butt back on the bed to get back to my book to realize said butt was very wet and warm. I jumped up to see that Buddy the dog had peed on my bed! The little fucker!

I knew what it was about though he has NEVER done anything that rude before to express his displeasure. He’s jealous of Mo. My dog is jealous of a fucking fish. He apparently decided that doggy body slamming me and whacking me with toys when I’m playing with Mo has been inadequate.

There is a large pile of bedding laundry on my sofa that I so don’t feel like dragging up to the laundry room. The little fucker.

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Iwouldprefernotto  Jul 25, 2015 • 8:10:09am

re: #137 allegro

So I was having a lovely evening last night all snuggled in on my bed reading a great book when at about 11 I got up to do nightie chores. Couldn’t have taken 5 minutes to check the door, feed Mo the fish, and turn out the lights. Happily plopped my butt back on the bed to get back to my book to realize said butt was very wet and warm. I jumped up to see that Buddy the dog had peed on my bed! The little fucker!

I knew what it was about though he has NEVER done anything that rude before to express his displeasure. He’s jealous of Mo. My dog is jealous of a fucking fish. He apparently decided that doggy body slamming me and whacking me with toys when I’m playing with Mo has been inadequate.

There is a large pile of bedding laundry on my sofa that I so don’t feel like dragging up to the laundry room. The little fucker.

What kind of fish?

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Jul 25, 2015 • 8:12:00am

re: #124 FemNaziBitch

Metal Massacre: Gold Sinks to New Five-Year Low, Platinum and Silver to Six-Year Low

think the Whackos that bought all that gold, like Glenn Beck told them to, are blaming Obama?

Because when the economy is strong, people have more money to invest in inherently valuable things like gold

/

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Decatur Deb  Jul 25, 2015 • 8:13:34am

We’re Number 1 !!!

Our county seat was named Most Redneck City in Alabama, using these criteria:
Small towns
Least amount of high school graduates
Lives in the south
Number of dive bars per city
Number of tobacco stores per city
Number of guns and ammo stores per city
Number of Walmarts per capita.

Their #1 statewide position in gun shops and bait shops offset a surprisingly high graduation rate.

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allegro  Jul 25, 2015 • 8:17:46am

re: #138 Iwouldprefernotto

What kind of fish?

Betta. Mo Betta, get it?

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darthstar  Jul 25, 2015 • 8:25:51am
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PhillyPretzel  Jul 25, 2015 • 8:26:27am

re: #140 Decatur Deb

Congrats. I think. /half

It reminds me of Philly being called one of the fattest cities in the US.

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darthstar  Jul 25, 2015 • 8:27:38am

re: #124 FemNaziBitch

Metal Massacre: Gold Sinks to New Five-Year Low, Platinum and Silver to Six-Year Low

think the Whackos that bought all that gold, like Glenn Beck told them to, are blaming Obama?

This is where having a little money can make a lot of money. The people like Glenn Beck who get paid to push that shit onto poor wingnuts have brokers who are simultaneously shorting the shit out of precious metals for them.

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Eventual Carrion  Jul 25, 2015 • 8:28:27am

re: #140 Decatur Deb

We’re Number 1 !!!

Our county seat was named Most Redneck City in Alabama. Using these criteria:
Small towns
Least amount of high school graduates
Lives in the south
Number of dive bars per city
Number of tobacco stores per city
Number of guns and ammo stores per city
Number of Walmarts per capita.

Their #1 statewide position in gun shops and bait shops offset a surprisingly high graduation rate.

Sounds like you’re going to have to do something about those overachieving kids in your town.

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Kid A  Jul 25, 2015 • 8:29:19am

I’ve seen “MRA” used here a lot the last few days. Men’s Rights Activist? Can someone define and give context?

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BlueSpotinAL  Jul 25, 2015 • 8:29:21am

re: #141 allegro

Betta. Mo Betta, get it?

When I teach my students Huckel theory, I tell them mo beta, mo betta. I hope the awful pun helps them remember.

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Kid A  Jul 25, 2015 • 8:30:48am

re: #140 Decatur Deb

We’re Number 1 !!!

Our county seat was named Most Redneck City in Alabama. Using these criteria:
Small towns
Least amount of high school graduates
Lives in the south
Number of dive bars per city
Number of tobacco stores per city
Number of guns and ammo stores per city
Number of Walmarts per capita.

Their #1 statewide position in gun shops and bait shops offset a surprisingly high graduation rate.

What about obesity, lack of health insurance, substance abuse and teen pregnancy rates?

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PhillyPretzel  Jul 25, 2015 • 8:30:53am

re: #146 Kid A

This is what I got from a quick look up from thefreedictionary.com.

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Eventual Carrion  Jul 25, 2015 • 8:30:57am

re: #142 darthstar

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Will I get back the money I have already paid in Jeb!?

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Jul 25, 2015 • 8:33:32am

re: #146 Kid A

I’ve seen “MRA” used here a lot the last few days. Men’s Rights Activist? Can someone define and give context?

People who use the term “feminazi” whenever they feel their male privelege threatened.

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darthstar  Jul 25, 2015 • 8:34:41am
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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Jul 25, 2015 • 8:36:41am

re: #152 darthstar

They do not hesitate to turn on their own, that is what makes them so dangerous.

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blueraven  Jul 25, 2015 • 8:37:07am

Drama at the home front this morning. There is a fawn stuck in my wrought iron fence. He has his front legs through to the other side (the wooded area) where his mother is close by. But he cant get his hip area though.

I dont know how he got inside the fence, but he probably got in sometime overnight. I tired to coax him out, but he doesn’t get “back up”.

Tried to throw a blanket over his back legs, so he couldn’t kick the shit out of me, and pull him out. That didn’t work as he struggled and screamed and screeched like a sacrificial lamb. Mama was ready to jump the fence and attack me.

So now I am back in the house after opening all the gates to the fenced area (3 of them) hoping Mama will come in and get him out somehow.

Mr blue is out. Maybe when he gets home…together we can get him out.

It is not so hot right now, but expect to get up to near 100 today.

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Decatur Deb  Jul 25, 2015 • 8:37:16am

re: #148 Kid A

What about obesity, lack of health insurance, substance abuse and teen pregnancy rates?

(The survey was a joke from a magazine that rates regional BBQ joints and convenience-store chicken takeout. The town is actually pretty well run, with the bulk of the tri-state hospital hospital capacity, two branch colleges and a new Med school.)

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PhillyPretzel  Jul 25, 2015 • 8:38:43am

re: #154 blueraven

Are there any wildlife experts in your area that you can call? They may have some ideas.

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Teukka  Jul 25, 2015 • 8:41:15am

Okay, so Sweden had one of these today O.O
MP4 Video
No biggie apparently (i.e. <= F1). Sweden gets around 10 of them each year, tho last year there were an unusual number of them caught on video, and it looks like this year will be a repeat.

Source: expressen.se

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darthstar  Jul 25, 2015 • 8:41:19am

Took this pic at the game last night…just saw it on my computer and realized I actually got the ball in the air…4-3 for the final out in the 4th inning, if I recall.

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Decatur Deb  Jul 25, 2015 • 8:41:32am

re: #154 blueraven

Drama at the home front this morning. There is a fawn stuck in my wrought iron fence. He has his front legs through to the other side (the wooded area) where his mother is close by. But he cant get his hip area though.

I dont know how he got inside the fence, but he probably got in sometime overnight. I tired to coax him out, but he doesn’t get “back up”.

Tried to throw a blanket over his back legs, so he couldn’t kick the shit out of me, and pull him out. That didn’t work as he struggled and screamed and screeched like a sacrificial lamb. Mama was ready to jump the fence and attack me.

So now I am back in the house after opening all the gates to the fenced area (3 of them) hoping Mama will come in and get him out somehow.

Mr blue is out. Maybe when he gets home…together we can get him out.

It is not so hot right now, but expect to get up to near 100 today.

Go try to squirt his hindquarters with mild dishwashing liquid?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 25, 2015 • 8:41:34am

re: #154 blueraven

If you can’t find help from animal control or your state wildlife officer, call your local newspaper/TV. They will love to do a story about it and will be able to get someone knowledgeable out there to rescue it.

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Great White Snark  Jul 25, 2015 • 8:44:44am

re: #154 blueraven

If this goes on a while a bowl of water in reach might be a good idea. But that’s just a city boy guess.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 25, 2015 • 8:46:36am
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blueraven  Jul 25, 2015 • 8:47:33am

re: #156 PhillyPretzel

Are there any wildlife experts in your area that you can call? They may have some ideas.

Well there is the local animal control officer. He usually works week days 9-5.
If we cant get him out soon, I will try the police dept. Small lake town here, 5000 population.

Currently the deer is in a shaded area, and will be for another hour or so. Hopefully by then mr blue will get home and we can get him out.

re: #159 Decatur Deb

Go try to squirt his hindquarters with mild dishwashing liquid?

Good idea. I have some Dr Bronner hemp soap that might work.

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Decatur Deb  Jul 25, 2015 • 8:48:49am

re: #163 blueraven

Well there is the local animal control officer. He usually works week days 9-5.
If we cant get him out soon, I will try the police dept. Small lake town here, 5000 population.

Currently the deer is in a shaded area, and will be for another hour or so. Hopefully by then mr blue will get home and we can get him out.

Good idea. I have some Dr Bronner hemp soap that might work.

Maybe a 50-50 or so mix for good coverage.

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FemNaziBitch  Jul 25, 2015 • 8:48:56am

re: #146 Kid A

I’ve seen “MRA” used here a lot the last few days. Men’s Rights Activist? Can someone define and give context?

misogynistic losers

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darthstar  Jul 25, 2015 • 8:49:05am
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Kid A  Jul 25, 2015 • 8:49:31am

re: #166 darthstar

LOL

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allegro  Jul 25, 2015 • 8:50:00am

re: #154 blueraven

Drama at the home front this morning. There is a fawn stuck in my wrought iron fence. He has his front legs through to the other side (the wooded area) where his mother is close by. But he cant get his hip area though.

I dont know how he got inside the fence, but he probably got in sometime overnight. I tired to coax him out, but he doesn’t get “back up”.

Tried to throw a blanket over his back legs, so he couldn’t kick the shit out of me, and pull him out. That didn’t work as he struggled and screamed and screeched like a sacrificial lamb. Mama was ready to jump the fence and attack me.

So now I am back in the house after opening all the gates to the fenced area (3 of them) hoping Mama will come in and get him out somehow.

Mr blue is out. Maybe when he gets home…together we can get him out.

It is not so hot right now, but expect to get up to near 100 today.

Do you have a rope you can tie his back legs together with? Loosely, but tight enough to protect yourself while you pull back on his hips to free him. Another person in front to distract both fawn and mom while the little guy is secured and then to push while you pull would help.

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Great White Snark  Jul 25, 2015 • 8:50:01am

re: #162 Backwoods_Sleuth

220V laughs at our computers.

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FemNaziBitch  Jul 25, 2015 • 8:50:21am

re: #154 blueraven

Drama at the home front this morning. There is a fawn stuck in my wrought iron fence. He has his front legs through to the other side (the wooded area) where his mother is close by. But he cant get his hip area though.

I dont know how he got inside the fence, but he probably got in sometime overnight. I tired to coax him out, but he doesn’t get “back up”.

Tried to throw a blanket over his back legs, so he couldn’t kick the shit out of me, and pull him out. That didn’t work as he struggled and screamed and screeched like a sacrificial lamb. Mama was ready to jump the fence and attack me.

So now I am back in the house after opening all the gates to the fenced area (3 of them) hoping Mama will come in and get him out somehow.

Mr blue is out. Maybe when he gets home…together we can get him out.

It is not so hot right now, but expect to get up to near 100 today.

call 911.

Dad told me that if you touch a fawn it’s mother will reject it because it will have your scent.

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ObserverArt  Jul 25, 2015 • 8:51:24am

Does anyone think if (god forbid) The Donald™ became president he wouldn’t want to just be all despot all the time?

I could see him saying:

“You voted me in and this is how I do things…my way. Therefore I will not be needing Congress and I have my attorneys suing the U.S. to eliminate Congress because I don’t need those losers and it’ll save a bunch of money. And the supreme court, pffft. They aren’t that supreme. Have you looked at some of them? They’re gone. I don’t need anyone else, I am doing it Trumps way!”

Yeah, I’m making it all up…but does Trump even know fully how the government works? He has no law background. He’s never been a politician that understands you build backing to get things done and it all takes time. He’d just want to ramrod everything, expect it all to change tomorrow and either come unglued or just freaking quit when he doesn’t get his way. And of course it would all be surrounded by bellicose puffery, overwrought ego speak and a healthy does of pull-it-out-of-your-ass bullshit.

Yeah, that is what this country needs.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 25, 2015 • 8:51:40am

re: #170 FemNaziBitch

call 911.

Dad told me that if you touch a fawnk it’s mother will reject it because it will have your scent.

The human scent on a fawn isn’t true (I know this first hand). OTOH, mother deer can become quite dangerous during this situation.

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Decatur Deb  Jul 25, 2015 • 8:52:22am

re: #170 FemNaziBitch

call 911.

Dad told me that if you touch a fawnk it’s mother will reject it because it will have your scent.

Fawn Found Hanging in County Holding Cell. Suicide Suspected.

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sagehen  Jul 25, 2015 • 8:52:51am

re: #168 allegro

Do you have a rope you can tie his back legs together with? Loosely, but tight enough to protect yourself while you pull back on his hips to free him. Another person in front to distract both fawn and mom while the little guy is secured and then to push while you pull would help.

Or, y’know, you could look up recipes for venison-veal. Very tender, I’ve heard. They’re really easy to pull out of the fence if you slice them in half first.

((sorry))

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allegro  Jul 25, 2015 • 8:52:57am

re: #170 FemNaziBitch

call 911.

Dad told me that if you touch a fawn it’s mother will reject it because it will have your scent.

She won’t reject him.

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ObserverArt  Jul 25, 2015 • 8:54:32am

re: #156 PhillyPretzel

Are there any wildlife experts in your area that you can call? They may have some ideas.

Or zoo people? I’ve seen and heard of people from the Columbus Zoo helping out on animal rescue and other issues.

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Great White Snark  Jul 25, 2015 • 8:55:28am

Maybe a bad idea but how about cutting that fence and repairing it after?

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Decatur Deb  Jul 25, 2015 • 8:56:42am

re: #174 sagehen

Hardcore Biologist: “Humans shouldn’t interfere in evolutionary selection.”
Hardcore AR Activist; “There shouldn’t be any fences.”
Sagehen: “Needs more dry rub next time.”

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PhillyPretzel  Jul 25, 2015 • 8:56:54am

re: #176 ObserverArt

I know in Philly animal control has a tendency to shoot first and ask questions later. Philadelphia Zoological Gardens is the oldest in the nation and they may have an idea or two. There is also the Pennypack wildlife refuge.

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Eventual Carrion  Jul 25, 2015 • 8:57:04am

re: #159 Decatur Deb

Go try to squirt his hindquarters with mild dishwashing liquid?

Will that help or do you just think it would be funny? :-)

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HappyWarrior  Jul 25, 2015 • 8:57:16am

re: #171 ObserverArt

Does anyone think if (god forbid) The DonaldTM became president he wouldn’t want to just be all despot all the time?

I could see him saying:

“You voted me in and this is how I do things…my way. Therefore I will not be needing Congress and I have my attorneys suing the U.S. to eliminate Congress because I don’t need those losers and it’ll save a bunch of money. And the supreme court, pffft. They aren’t that supreme. Have you looked at some of them? They’re gone. I don’t need anyone else, I am doing it Trumps way!”

Yeah, I’m making it all up…but does Trump even know fully how the government works? He has no law background. He’s never been a politician that understands you build backing to get things done and it all takes time. He’d just want to ramrod everything, expect it all to change tomorrow and either come unglued or just freaking quit when he doesn’t get his way. And of course it would all be surrounded by bellicose puffery, overwrought ego speak and a healthy does of pull-it-out-of-your-ass bullshit.

Yeah, that is what this country needs.

I very much doubt it. Trump’s a lot like a lot of the TP wave that got elected in 2010 on pure anger except he’s running for the highest office in the land. The others frankly are more maddening since they do most of them being trained lawyers and having been in elected office have some understanding of how government works pander to the lowest common denominator. I actually find myself more frustrated with someone like Cruz or Jindal, two intelligent enough guys who play the stupid card.

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Decatur Deb  Jul 25, 2015 • 8:58:53am

re: #180 Eventual Carrion

Will that help or do you just think it would be funny? :-)

Can’t envision the hip/fence arrangement, but if the problem is simple friction, it might work well enough. Dawn is safe stuff, for seabirds anyway.

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Eventual Carrion  Jul 25, 2015 • 9:00:12am

re: #172 Backwoods_Sleuth

The human scent on a fawn isn’t true (I know this first hand). OTOH, mother deer can become quite dangerous during this situation.

And their hooves can cut you like a knife.

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FemNaziBitch  Jul 25, 2015 • 9:02:43am

bbl

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Teukka  Jul 25, 2015 • 9:04:32am

re: #169 Great White Snark

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220V laughs at our computers.

Ah. Danish grounded 235V outlet. The EU moved to to 235 union-wide quite some time ago.
These are what Sweden uses for consumer grounded 235 V.

Schuko grounded

And these for 400 V (Most households have 235/400V three-phase here)
Perilex 3-phase
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Decatur Deb  Jul 25, 2015 • 9:04:33am

Off to ride the hamster bike and lose another game of Civ4.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 25, 2015 • 9:06:14am

re: #177 Great White Snark

Maybe a bad idea but how about cutting that fence and repairing it after?

This idea is actually quite good.

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Great White Snark  Jul 25, 2015 • 9:06:50am

re: #185 Teukka

Ah. Danish grounded 235V outlet. The EU moved to to 235 union-wide quite some time ago.
These are what Sweden uses for consumer grounded 235 V.

Image: Schuko grounded
And these for 400 V (Most households have 235/400V three-phase here)Image: Perilex 3-phase

Now that’s the place to have a CAD/Casting/Machine shop right in the garage! Who needs factories?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 25, 2015 • 9:07:13am

re: #179 PhillyPretzel

I know in Philly animal control has a tendency to shoot first and ask questions later. Philadelphia Zoological Gardens is the oldest in the nation and they may have an idea or two. There is also the Pennypack wildlife refuge.

That’s why I suggested contacting a local news organization. They love feel good stories, especially when it has a happy ending. And this one has Bambi!

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allegro  Jul 25, 2015 • 9:07:35am

re: #187 Backwoods_Sleuth

This idea is actually quite good.

Wrought iron doesn’t cut so easily, does it?

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PhillyPretzel  Jul 25, 2015 • 9:07:43am

re: #189 Backwoods_Sleuth

Yes. It does.

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darthstar  Jul 25, 2015 • 9:07:46am

I’m getting plug envy.

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darthstar  Jul 25, 2015 • 9:07:58am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 25, 2015 • 9:08:49am

re: #190 allegro

Wrought iron doesn’t cut so easily, does it?

It’s not as easy as cutting a wire fence, but it’s not overly difficult with a saw.

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Teukka  Jul 25, 2015 • 9:09:49am

re: #188 Great White Snark

Now that’s the place to have a CAD/Casting/Machine shop right in the garage! Who needs factories?

Dunno, I think the maximum for homes in the neighborhood of 3x16A for a 3-phase outlet. Normal 1-ph outlets are 10A or 16A fused. What uses 3-phase in homes usually is the electric stove, washing/drying appliances and sometimes heating.

I personally have a meager 3x20A feed to my flat.

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Jul 25, 2015 • 9:10:24am

re: #173 Decatur Deb

Fawn Found Hanging in County Holding Cell. Suicide Suspected.

Black tailed deer?

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Great White Snark  Jul 25, 2015 • 9:11:21am

re: #190 allegro

Wrought iron doesn’t cut so easily, does it?

Nice handheld hacksaw. Not noisy, no sparks, no drama. Just a fix it chore.

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Decatur Deb  Jul 25, 2015 • 9:13:27am

re: #197 Great White Snark

Nice handheld hacksaw. Not noisy, no sparks, no drama. Just a fix it chore.

Better a really large boltcutter—no vibration/noise.

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alpuzzzzz from Wisconsin  Jul 25, 2015 • 9:13:33am

re: #170 FemNaziBitch

We had this happen twice in Texas. A fawn will bash itself against a fence(chainlink is my situation) like a pinball knocking around a fast table. So it probably just bashed itself in. It’s pretty brutal to watch.

Both times I had to either open all the gates or remove a section of the fence and just go away. They were gone within an hour.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 25, 2015 • 9:13:36am

Fawns and deer have been rescued from wrought iron fences elsewhere:
In Tennessee:
Fawn finds fence, gets stuck

In Texas:
Spring Resident & Local Firefighters Rescue Deer Stuck In Fence

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KingKenrod  Jul 25, 2015 • 9:14:35am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 25, 2015 • 9:16:38am

re: #200 Backwoods_Sleuth

The one in Spring, Texas, sounds like the local fire department used something like a Jaws of Life extrication tool to spread the wrought iron bars enough so the deer could get loose.
So, calling the fire department is another idea.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 25, 2015 • 9:17:40am

re: #201 KingKenrod

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Good to finally read about the victims. Too often we and I am guilty myself of this of reading a lot about the perp. They seem like they were two great ladies.

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Jul 25, 2015 • 9:17:54am

re: #201 KingKenrod

It is becoming clear that this was a terrorist attack meant to intimidate women just as the SC church shootings were intended to intimidate blacks.

But this aspect of the discussion has been drowned out by the moar gunz evrywhar!!!11ty debate.

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darthstar  Jul 25, 2015 • 9:17:56am
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blueraven  Jul 25, 2015 • 9:18:57am

Yay, success!

I did mix the soap and water, but by the time I got back out he looked almost dead. No more struggling.Doused him with the hose to cool him off and about that time mr blue showed up. We were able to pull him out and he is now reunited with mama!

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 25, 2015 • 9:19:30am

re: #206 blueraven

Yay, success!

I did mix the soap and water, but by the time I got back out he looked almost dead. No more struggling.Doused him with the hose to cool him off and about that time mr blue showed up. We were able to pull him out and he is now reunited with mama!

YAY!

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Teukka  Jul 25, 2015 • 9:19:33am

re: #206 blueraven

Yay, success!

I did mix the soap and water, but by the time I got back out he looked almost dead. No more struggling.Doused him with the hose to cool him off and about that time mr blue showed up. We were able to pull him out and he is now reunited with mama!

Yay!

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PhillyPretzel  Jul 25, 2015 • 9:19:42am

re: #206 blueraven

Yay! That is great news. :)

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ObserverArt  Jul 25, 2015 • 9:21:41am

re: #206 blueraven

Yay, success!

I did mix the soap and water, but by the time I got back out he looked almost dead. No more struggling.Doused him with the hose to cool him off and about that time mr blue showed up. We were able to pull him out and he is now reunited with mama!

Great! I like a good ending when it comes to wildlife.

Do deer come through there a lot, maybe looking for scrumptious greenery to nibble on?

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Great White Snark  Jul 25, 2015 • 9:22:42am

re: #195 Teukka

Dunno, I think the maximum for homes in the neighborhood of 3x16A for a 3-phase circuit. Normal 1-ph outlets are 10A or 16A fused. What uses 3-phase in homes usually is the electric stove, washing/drying appliances and sometimes heating.

I personally have a meager 3x20A feed to my flat.

Well I’d have to do a little math but 110v is inefficient. I suspect one could equip much better in a garage/small shop there than here without extra service added. What might drive this home (pun intended) is people looking to fast cycle charge electric cars. Once diesel fades off over there anyway. :-)

It’s a sizable bill to bring 220v fast charging to a home and problematic at a flat or apartment. 400? Probably banned in most residential applications.

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Great White Snark  Jul 25, 2015 • 9:23:32am

re: #206 blueraven

Yay, success!

I did mix the soap and water, but by the time I got back out he looked almost dead. No more struggling.Doused him with the hose to cool him off and about that time mr blue showed up. We were able to pull him out and he is now reunited with mama!

Yaaay! Did ya get a pic on a phone?

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darthstar  Jul 25, 2015 • 9:23:35am
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blueraven  Jul 25, 2015 • 9:25:11am

re: #210 ObserverArt

Great! I like a good ending when it comes to wildlife.

Do deer come through there a lot, maybe looking for scrumptious greenery to nibble on?

Oh, we have deer everywhere here, but they rarely venture inside the fence.
Also, as we have had pretty decent rain this year, the food supply is pretty good. Lots of vegetation around. I do have a vegetable garden inside the fence. Maybe he came in for that. Who knows?

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alpuzzzzz from Wisconsin  Jul 25, 2015 • 9:25:49am

re: #210 ObserverArt

Great! I like a good ending when it comes to wildlife.

Do deer come through there a lot, maybe looking for scrumptious greenery to nibble on?

Heh… deer will take out a whole front yard/garden/potted plants in a night. Everything *poof* gone. Then they’ll snort at you through an open window just to let you know they were there.

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blueraven  Jul 25, 2015 • 9:26:41am

re: #212 Great White Snark

Yaaay! Did ya get a pic on a phone?

Sadly no. I rarely use my cell phone so it didn’t occur to me.

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Jul 25, 2015 • 9:26:46am

re: #213 darthstar

Perhaps they are special bullet proof crocs for civilian vigilante guards

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Great White Snark  Jul 25, 2015 • 9:28:50am

re: #216 blueraven

Pfft. The save is what matters. Good for you two.

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Romantic Heretic  Jul 25, 2015 • 9:31:12am

re: #146 Kid A

I’ve seen “MRA” used here a lot the last few days. Men’s Rights Activist? Can someone define and give context?

These are men whose only source of power is that they are men. That power is lessening and they are pissed about it.

Since they know calling themselves ‘Men’s Power Activists’ would reveal them as the selfish, ineffectual assholes they actually are they use ‘Men’s Rights Activists’ instead.

Who can be against rights after all?

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PhillyPretzel  Jul 25, 2015 • 9:31:50am

re: #214 blueraven

The veggies may have done it. My nephews when they were younger had a veggie garden and the deer were constantly nibbling at the veggies.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 25, 2015 • 9:34:54am
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Teukka  Jul 25, 2015 • 9:35:14am

re: #211 Great White Snark

Well I’d have to do a little math but 110v is inefficient. I suspect one could equip much better in a garage/small shop there than here without extra service added. What might drive this home (pun intended) is people looking to fast cycle charge electric cars. Once diesel fades off over there anyway. :-)

It’s a sizable bill to bring 220v fast charging to a home and problematic at a flat or apartment. 400? Probably banned in most residential applications.

From memory, the higher mains frequency means marginally higher losses in the transmission network, and you do have significantly higher reactive and resistive losses in cabling for 120V.

Like, where us €-trash have 10, 13 and 16 A circuits, you have 20, 26 and 32 A ones. Lights blinking due to loads is rare unless you’re talking 1000W+ ones. It’s the resistive losses which cause the lights to blink, especially during switch-on. A higher current capability also means more potential damage in case of a fault.

And I think that 235/400V might be legal, tho I doubt many places have the 3-phase infrastructure in place. However, I would think that anything except fixed installations would be problematic, as well as anything above 400V (for example you don’t play around with 480 or 560V).

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Eventual Carrion  Jul 25, 2015 • 9:35:41am

re: #217 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

Perhaps they are special bullet proof crocs for civilian vigilante guards

And one is a two way radio, the other has a kick knife in the sole.

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PhillyPretzel  Jul 25, 2015 • 9:42:33am

re: #223 Eventual Carrion

Just like Maxwell Smart talking into his shoe. //

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Eventual Carrion  Jul 25, 2015 • 9:44:52am

re: #224 PhillyPretzel

Just like Maxwell Smart talking into his shoe. //

That is what I was thinking when was typing that. Wish he had a cone of silence to block out the voices he is probably hearing in his head.

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Pawn of the Oppressor  Jul 25, 2015 • 9:50:51am

re: #146 Kid A

I’ve seen “MRA” used here a lot the last few days. Men’s Rights Activist? Can someone define and give context?

I tried writing a definition but it made me sick to type.

Picture a right-wing-ish libertarian guy who blames feminism for every “wrong” in the world. The sickest of them allege a real conspiracy by the left to destroy manhood with things like false rape allegations. The true worst of them exhibit a pathological hate for anything with a vagina that speaks its mind.

These people actually use “SJW” (“Social Justice Warrior”) as a sneering pejorative for people who believe crazy things like “rape is a crime” and “misogyny is a real problem in our culture”.

For all their talk of manhood, they are generally the biggest bunch of sissies in the world, screaming and whining about any time somebody holds them accountable, or tells them to act like adults, grow a pair, and fuck off.

They throw around “SJW”, and I feel like a worthy counter-acronym is “BPIW”.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 25, 2015 • 9:53:14am

re: #226 Pawn of the Oppressor

I tried writing a definition but it made me sick to type.

Picture a right-wing-ish libertarian guy who blames feminism for every “wrong” in the world. The sickest of them allege a real conspiracy by the left to destroy manhood with things like false rape allegations. The true worst of them exhibit a pathological hate for anything with a vagina that speaks its mind.

These people actually use “SJW” (“Social Justice Warrior”) as a sneering pejorative for people who believe crazy things like “rape is a crime” and “misogyny is a real problem in our culture”.

For all their talk of manhood, they are generally the biggest bunch of sissies in the world, screaming and whining about any time somebody holds them accountable, or tells them to act like adults, grow a pair, and fuck off.

They throw around “SJW”, and I feel like a worthy counter-acronym is “BPIW”.

They are without a doubt along with the Anti-vaxxers and religious right one of the most toxic groups of assholes out there.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 25, 2015 • 9:53:39am

Yesterday’s confederate flag rally in Kentucky:
Pro-Confederate group rallies at Ky. Capitol

During the course of two hours, the group pledged to the Confederate flag, sang “Dixie” and heralded Davis as a “visionary leader” and defender of states’ rights. Speakers urged the audience to go “toe to toe” with critics of the emblems and warned that their opposition had “awakened a sleeping giant.”

American “patriots”.

*spit*

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HappyWarrior  Jul 25, 2015 • 9:55:26am

re: #228 Backwoods_Sleuth

Yesterday’s confederate flag rally in Kentucky:
Pro-Confederate group rallies at Ky. Capitol

American “patriots”.

*spit*

Jefferson Davis eh? That wouldn’t be the guy who crushed a secessionist movement within the Confederacy would it? And pledging to the CSA flag and singing “Dixie” SMFH. Man it’s 2015. 20 fucking 15. Most of these people weren’t even born when the last CSA veteran died probably.

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PhillyPretzel  Jul 25, 2015 • 9:55:52am

re: #228 Backwoods_Sleuth

As I said before, the Stars and Bars should have been banned/destroyed at Appomattox Court House when the South surrendered.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 25, 2015 • 9:57:54am

re: #230 PhillyPretzel

As I said before, the Stars and Bars should have been banned/destroyed at Appomattox Court House when the South surrendered.

I would have put the CSA’s military leadership behind bars. They did commit treason. The civilian leadership FWIW was imprisoned though Davis died a free man and Vice President Stephens even became governor of Georgia and a Congressman after Reconstruction.

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ObserverArt  Jul 25, 2015 • 10:04:22am

re: #228 Backwoods_Sleuth

Yesterday’s confederate flag rally in Kentucky:
Pro-Confederate group rallies at Ky. Capitol

American “patriots”.

*spit*

Well, in those images you posted some of them did look a little giant, but maybe not in the way that they are thinking.

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wrenchwench  Jul 25, 2015 • 10:08:04am
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HappyWarrior  Jul 25, 2015 • 10:17:09am

re: #233 wrenchwench

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NRO slammed him recently too. Called him a race pimp or some crap like that. He’s fighting the good fight. Shame that some people like to smear a good guy.

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wrenchwench  Jul 25, 2015 • 10:23:04am

re: #234 HappyWarrior

NRO slammed him recently too. Called him a race pimp or some crap like that. He’s fighting the good fight. Shame that some people like to smear a good guy.

I expect crap like that from NRO. It surprised me from Mediaite. I didn’t think they were aiming for NRO status.

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De Kolta Chair  Jul 25, 2015 • 10:23:27am

re: #213 darthstar

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“Sir, can I speak to you for a second?”
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ObserverArt  Jul 25, 2015 • 10:24:01am

re: #233 wrenchwench

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Wow.

I’ve seen those kinds of articles before too. Civil Rights. Vietnam. Iraq. Green/Environment. Obama.

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Shiplord Kirel  Jul 25, 2015 • 10:24:21am

re: #66 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸

i just cant help playing up this being over 60 thing for all it’s worth

i dont know somehow i get a big thrill out of being certifiably old

I turned 66 last month and I am rather enjoying it. One advantage is that old age can serve as an all purpose excuse for anything and everything. Every mental lapse, forgotten detail, and brain fart can be blamed on advancing age. Well meaning but ill informed youngsters are often all too eager to accommodate.
When you’re 25, it’s “WHAT THE HELL IS WRONG WITH YOU?! Are you on drugs or something?”
Now it’s, “There, there, it’s okay. Come sit by the fire and have some milk and cookies.”

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Shiplord Kirel  Jul 25, 2015 • 10:26:47am

re: #228 Backwoods_Sleuth

Yesterday’s confederate flag rally in Kentucky:
Pro-Confederate group rallies at Ky. Capitol

American “patriots”.

*spit*

Friggin’ Copperheads. Kentucky was a Union state.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 25, 2015 • 10:27:29am
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JadeHelmCurious  Jul 25, 2015 • 10:30:13am

re: #235 wrenchwench

I expect crap like that from NRO. It surprised me from Mediaite. I didn’t think they were aiming for NRO status.

I think Mediaite plays both sides and seems to like partisan angle stories to generate clicks. A couple of the writers could easily write for Breitbart.

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wrenchwench  Jul 25, 2015 • 10:31:37am

re: #238 Shiplord Kirel

I turned 66 last month and I am rather enjoying it. One advantage is that old age can serve as an all purpose excuse for anything and everything. Every mental lapse, forgotten detail, and brain fart can be blamed on advancing age. Well meaning but ill informed youngsters are often all too eager to accommodate.
When you’re 25, it’s “WHAT THE HELL IS WRONG WITH YOU?! Are you on drugs or something?”
Now it’s, “There, there, it’s okay. Come sit by the fire and have some milk and cookies.”

I can’t complain about any of my TBI symptoms to people older than myself. They tend to say, ‘I have that, too.’ But I hate it when they say, ‘Maybe it’s just your age.’ I’m not 60 yet!

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JadeHelmCurious  Jul 25, 2015 • 10:32:00am

‘race pimp’ is a horribly offensive term loaded with racism, a taunting pejorative. It’s on par with the lowly niCLANG.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 25, 2015 • 10:32:53am
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ObserverArt  Jul 25, 2015 • 10:34:00am

re: #239 Shiplord Kirel

Friggin’ Copperheads. Kentucky was a Union state.

I think we still have “Copperheads” just north of the Ohio River here in Ohio. Reading some of the Wiki link reminded me not a whole hell of a lot changes over time. It just gets repackaged so that it looks different.

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blueraven  Jul 25, 2015 • 10:34:34am

re: #235 wrenchwench

I expect crap like that from NRO. It surprised me from Mediaite. I didn’t think they were aiming for NRO status.

Writer formerly with The Daily Caller. In other words, he is most likely a racist scumbag.

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wrenchwench  Jul 25, 2015 • 10:36:41am

re: #243 JadeHelmCurious

‘race pimp’ is a horribly offensive term loaded with racism, and taunting pejorative. It’s on par with the lowly niCLANG.

Even when it’s implied and not said in so many words.

re: #246 blueraven

Writer formerly with The Daily Caller. In other words, he is most likely a racist scumbag.

He’d have to be to write that article. Or for the Daily Caller, I’m guessing.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 25, 2015 • 10:40:05am

re: #243 JadeHelmCurious

‘race pimp’ is a horribly offensive term loaded with racism, a taunting pejorative. It’s on par with the lowly niCLANG.

“Race pimp”, “race hustler”, it’s all racist bullshit by people who are either too chicken shit to actually say the n-word or are using “polite racism.” NRO and other conservative periodicals may not have the in your face racism but make no mistake, they’re definitely racist.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jul 25, 2015 • 10:40:34am

FWIW the last CSA veteran died in the early 50s and the last CSA widow died, believe it or not, in 2006 (the vet was in his 80s and she 21 when they wed).

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 25, 2015 • 10:41:11am

Something for the lizards in Philly:

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De Kolta Chair  Jul 25, 2015 • 10:43:40am

re: #240 Backwoods_Sleuth

The NRA responds:

////

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lawhawk  Jul 25, 2015 • 10:45:57am

Idiocy.

$12 is still above the minimum wage in every state in the nation - even some of those jurisdictions that have moved the minimum wage to $15 are doing so over a period of years - not instantly moving it to that point.

So this bogus hit piece fails. Again.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 25, 2015 • 10:48:37am

soooo, I see on the twitterz that UpChuck is claiming to be the first ever person to be banned for life from Twitter.

What a pathetic dweeb.

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De Kolta Chair  Jul 25, 2015 • 10:48:47am

re: #66 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸

i just cant help playing up this being over 60 thing for all it’s worth

i dont know somehow i get a big thrill out of being certifiably old

I go back and forth about whether or not I like being called “sir” all the time.

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Shiplord Kirel  Jul 25, 2015 • 10:50:49am

re: #252 lawhawk

[Embedded content]

Idiocy.

$12 is still above the minimum wage in every state in the nation - even some of those jurisdictions that have moved the minimum wage to $15 are doing so over a period of years - not instantly moving it to that point.

So this bogus hit piece fails. Again.

He wants the minimum wage raised to $15 an hour BY 2020, not this very day. If it were not for strawmen, lies by omission, half truths and similarly crude devices of distortion, the whole right wing would be struck dumb (as distinct from stupid, which happened to them a long time ago.)

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BeachDem  Jul 25, 2015 • 10:53:05am

re: #246 blueraven

Writer formerly with The Daily Caller. In other words, he is most likely a racist scumbag.

And if you read any Mediaite comment columns, their regulars consider Politico to be far-left, which tell you how right Mediaite readers are.

Ill-advisedly, I did read some comments earlier today on a whiny column about Politico claiming an exclusive for a story broken at Mediaite. The VERY IMPORTANT STORY? About Chuck Todd getting a weekday show on MSNBC.

If that was the kind of story I was breaking, even as a media reporter, I’d be embarrassed to raise a stink about it. Also, they think Chuck Todd is a total leftist who grills the GOP and defends Democrats.

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JadeHelmCurious  Jul 25, 2015 • 10:58:00am

On queue from Fox:

Restaurants Warn NY Push for $15 Wage Could Close Hundreds of Businesses
The new $15 minimum wage would give the average full-time fast food workers a starting salary of more than $30,000.

Holy shit, that would be horrible. First they let the homogays marry and cause hurricanes, now they want poor people to be less poor. Will probably cause some earthquakes.

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Skip Intro  Jul 25, 2015 • 11:00:11am

Veterans named as Donald Trump supporters say they were not consulted

Several people listed as part of the “Veterans for Trump coalition” formed by Donald Trump following his incendiary comments about John McCain’s war record have denied they are part of the group, the Guardian has learned.
Donald Trump attack on John McCain war record is ‘new low in US politics’

Trump’s campaign announced the formation of the New Hampshire-based group in response to criticism of the business mogul’s labelling of McCain, who spent five and a half years in a North Vietnamese jail, where he was tortured, as “not a war hero”.

A number of people were named as members of “Veterans for Trump” on Trump’s election website. “These veterans have pledged their support to Mr Trump in the primary, and they will be advocating for him,” a press release said.

But when the Guardian contacted several claimed Veterans for Trump members on Friday, three said they had never heard of the organisation and had not signed up as members.

theguardian.com

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Timothy Watson  Jul 25, 2015 • 11:02:14am

re: #252 lawhawk

[Embedded content]

Idiocy.

$12 is still above the minimum wage in every state in the nation - even some of those jurisdictions that have moved the minimum wage to $15 are doing so over a period of years - not instantly moving it to that point.

So this bogus hit piece fails. Again.

Not to mention, they’re, you know, interns.

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De Kolta Chair  Jul 25, 2015 • 11:05:36am
Matthew Diffee
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Skip Intro  Jul 25, 2015 • 11:06:28am

Looks like the GOPers have found their dream candidate.

today.yougov.com

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jul 25, 2015 • 11:07:28am

re: #253 Backwoods_Sleuth

soooo, I see on the twitterz that UpChuck is claiming to be the first ever person to be banned for life from Twitter.

What a pathetic dweeb.

“It’samajoraward!”

Sonoabitch.Something’swrongwithmyspacebar.Igottagogetanewkeyboard.Shit.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jul 25, 2015 • 11:09:09am

re: #258 Skip Intro

He should have just hired actors again.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jul 25, 2015 • 11:09:57am

re: #261 Skip Intro

How the hell did Scott Walker end up in 2nd??

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jul 25, 2015 • 11:11:06am

That’s weird. Now it’s all better.

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darthstar  Jul 25, 2015 • 11:11:51am

You don’t need to see the pic so here’s the tweet with my response.

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stpaulbear  Jul 25, 2015 • 11:12:49am

re: #264 Eclectic Cyborg

How the hell did Scott Walker end up in 2nd??

Because his actions and ideas are as repellent as Trump’s. He’s just as big an asshole.

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wrenchwench  Jul 25, 2015 • 11:14:02am

Between 2003 and 2013 it [the US] was one of only eight countries, including Afghanistan and South Sudan, to see its maternal-death rate move in the wrong direction. American women are now more than three times as likely to die from pregnancy-related complications as their counterparts in Britain, the Czech Republic, Germany or Japan.

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Jul 25, 2015 • 11:14:42am

re: #230 PhillyPretzel

As I said before, the Stars and Bars should have been banned/destroyed at Appomattox Court House when the South surrendered.

The Confederacy did not surrender at Appomatox, just the Army of Northern Virginia.

That nit having been picked, the CSA flag did disappear from public places until the 1960’s when segregationists put it back up to intimidate Civil Rights advocates.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 25, 2015 • 11:15:07am

re: #252 lawhawk

[Embedded content]

Idiocy.

$12 is still above the minimum wage in every state in the nation - even some of those jurisdictions that have moved the minimum wage to $15 are doing so over a period of years - not instantly moving it to that point.

So this bogus hit piece fails. Again.

As already said, he wants 15 dollars per hour by 2020. And secondly, 12 dollars a hour for an internship? I have to give props to Bernie here considering most places either don’t pay their interns at all or give a flat rate which isn’t anywhere near that.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 25, 2015 • 11:15:43am

re: #264 Eclectic Cyborg

How the hell did Scott Walker end up in 2nd??

GOP base loves a union buster who has won three times and hates teachers.

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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Jul 25, 2015 • 11:17:45am

re: #261 Skip Intro

Looks like the GOPers have found their dream candidate.

[Embedded content]

today.yougov.com

i keep on hearing gormless commentators on tee vee asking when the trump campaign will collapse

they dont get it - the bagger 27% has been looking for somebody to tell mccain, boehner, and the whole gop establishment to get fucked for a long time now

as long as trump makes that “fuck you” noise it doesnt matter what he is actually saying, they’ll eat it up like ice cream

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De Kolta Chair  Jul 25, 2015 • 11:18:15am

re: #263 Eclectic Cyborg

He should have just hired actors again.

FYI for those who can’t tell one Baldwin from another, that’s the creepy rightwing Jesusy one, Stephen.

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darthstar  Jul 25, 2015 • 11:19:15am
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HappyWarrior  Jul 25, 2015 • 11:19:40am

re: #272 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸

i keep on hearing gormless commentators on tee vee asking when the trump campaign will collapse

they dont get it - the bagger 27% has been looking for somebody to tell mccain, boehner, and the whole gop establishment to get fucked for a long time now

as long as trump makes that “fuck you” noise it doesnt matter what he is actually saying, they’ll eat it up like ice cream

Which is why I think you saw Cruz attack McConnell yesterday.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 25, 2015 • 11:20:17am

re: #274 darthstar

[Embedded content]

Algebra is obviously a Muslim plot.

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BeachDem  Jul 25, 2015 • 11:20:17am

re: #261 Skip Intro

Looks like the GOPers have found their dream candidate.

Embedded Image

Once again, art imitates life imitates art—

I’m not just an entertainer. I’m an influence, a wielder of opinion, a force… a force!

Those morons out there? Shucks, I could take chicken fertilizer and sell it to them as caviar. I could make them eat dog food and think it was steak. … You know what the public’s like? A cage of Guinea Pigs. Good Night you stupid idiots. Good Night, you miserable slobs. They’re a lot of trained seals. I toss them a dead fish and they’ll flap their flippers.

This whole country’s just like my flock of sheep!… Rednecks, crackers, hillbillies, hausfraus, shut-ins, pea-pickers - everybody that’s got to jump when somebody else blows the whistle… They’re mine! I own ‘em! They think like I do. Only they’re even more stupid than I am, so I gotta think for ‘em.

All quotes from Lonesome Rhodes in A Face In the Crowd.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 25, 2015 • 11:20:31am

re: #269 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

The Confederacy did not surrender at Appomatox, just the Army of Northern Virginia.

That nit having been picked, the CSA flag did disappear from public places until the 1960’s when segregationists put it back up to intimidate Civil Rights advocates.

Except for Mississippi. Even though the stars & bars Mississippi flag was repealed in 1906, nobody there paid attention and kept flying it, and it was officially re-adopted in 2001.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 25, 2015 • 11:22:54am

Trump is the voice of those that booed the gay soldier, the voice of those that chanted let him die, and those that shouted down the few remaining GOP moderates in Town Halls over Obama’s citizenship. I don’t think he has a chance to win the nomination but he’ll definitely have a lot of influence .

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Dr Lizardo  Jul 25, 2015 • 11:25:12am

re: #277 BeachDem

I’m not just an entertainer. I’m an influence, a wielder of opinion, a force… a force!

Those morons out there? Shucks, I could take chicken fertilizer and sell it to them as caviar. I could make them eat dog food and think it was steak. … You know what the public’s like? A cage of Guinea Pigs. Good Night you stupid idiots. Good Night, you miserable slobs. They’re a lot of trained seals. I toss them a dead fish and they’ll flap their flippers.

This whole country’s just like my flock of sheep!… Rednecks, crackers, hillbillies, hausfraus, shut-ins, pea-pickers - everybody that’s got to jump when somebody else blows the whistle… They’re mine! I own ‘em! They think like I do. Only they’re even more stupid than I am, so I gotta think for ‘em.

One of the greatest films ever. Certainly made me realize that Andy Griffith was, under his amiable, Mayberry sheriff exterior, one hell of an actor.

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De Kolta Chair  Jul 25, 2015 • 11:35:55am

re: #280 Dr Lizardo

One of the greatest films ever. Certainly made me realize that Andy Griffith was, under his amiable, Mayberry sheriff exterior, one hell of an actor.

At the grocery store today I noticed one of the gossip rags had a big headline that shouted something like “Andy Griffith Was Very Evil!” Next to that was another rag screaming “Shirley Temple Death Cover Up!”

WTF? x2

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jul 25, 2015 • 11:39:26am

re: #281 De Kolta Chair

At the grocery store today I noticed one of the gossip rags had a big headline that read something like “Andy Griffith Was Very Evil!” Next to that was another rag screaming “Shirley Temple Death Cover Up!”

WTF? x2

Maybe, what with the internet and all, the supermarket checkout stand rags are getting desperate. Like the Buck Henry sketch from early SNL, where he plays a call-in talk show host whom nobody calls, and so he keeps gettign more and more extreme, finally saying, “Okay, how about THIS topic - Hitler was RIGHT!”

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ObserverArt  Jul 25, 2015 • 11:52:29am

re: #276 HappyWarrior

Algebra is obviously a Muslim plot.

Brought here by that Obammy guy dont’cha’ knows. Came with him from Ken-Yah by way of Iran for nukes.

I know…Bill down at the bar was talkin’ ‘bout it the other night.

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