Anti-Choice Groups Work With ALEC to Require “Fetal Death Certificates” for Miscarriages, Prevent Tissue Donations

Religious fanatics and Republicans, working to take America back to the Dark Ages
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In the wake of the deceptive videos pushed out by the Orwellian “Center for Medical Progress,” another fanatical anti-choice group called “Americans United for Life” is now working with ALEC to get legislation passed that would require “fetal death certificates” — for miscarriages. Yes, really.

And their proposed legislation would also ban the donation of tissue for medical research, by mandating that it be cremated. If this insane legislation ever passes, we’re headed full speed back to the Dark Ages, folks.

McConchie, of the AUL, told the Guardian the group had drafted a model “Dignified Final Disposition Act” and was tweaking it in response to the clandestine videos. “We’re working with legislators. There’s a lot of interest.”

The proposed law would mandate that fetal remains be cremated or buried. If cremated, they would have to be cremated separately from medical waste and a county medical examiner would have to authorise the cremation.

The act would also require fetal death certificates for “each fetal death after delivery, miscarriage or abortion”. A stillborn child would need a state-issued “certificate of birth resulting in stillbirth”.

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337 comments
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Azalea  Jul 25, 2015 • 7:08:58pm

The fact that the GOP is working so hard to stigmatize even stillbirths and miscarriages reveals how shockingly little they know about the statistics of those occurrences. Or about pregnancy in general, really.

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The Ghost of a Flea  Jul 25, 2015 • 7:12:56pm

Just to make it really, really explicit:

This doesn’t just stigmatize miscarriage, it opens the door to all pre-partum deaths being treated (even more) like crime scenes.

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SteveMcGaziBolaGate  Jul 25, 2015 • 7:13:21pm

How are they going to handle the birth certificates?

EDIT - Like it matters

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scottslemmons  Jul 25, 2015 • 7:13:34pm

re: #1 Azalea

The fact that the GOP is working so hard to stigmatize even stillbirths and miscarriages reveals how shockingly little they know about the statistics of those occurrences. Or about pregnancy in general, really.

They know about ‘em, but they don’t care. This stuff isn’t about saving babies — it’s about criminalizing women.

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Belafon  Jul 25, 2015 • 7:14:26pm

re: #3 SteveMcGaziBolaGate

They won’t issue them. For once, Texas is ahead of the game.

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Eventual Carrion  Jul 25, 2015 • 7:14:26pm

re: #1 Azalea

The fact that the GOP is working so hard to stigmatize even stillbirths and miscarriages reveals how shockingly little they know about the statistics of those occurrences. Or about pregnancy in general, really.

According to The NIH, only 30% of conceptions result in a live birth. They are going to need a bigger government to enforce/monitor this type of plan.

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teleskiguy  Jul 25, 2015 • 7:18:39pm

If a Republican is elected president in 2016, expect Roe vs. Wade to be overturned.

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BlueSpotinAL  Jul 25, 2015 • 7:24:50pm

By their logic, dignified disposal precludes people from being organ donors if they die.

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Timothy Watson  Jul 25, 2015 • 7:25:34pm

That loathsome piece of shit, state Senator Mark Obenshain, introduced a bill a couple years ago here in Virginia that would impose that requirement on miscarriages and the goddamn media let him run as a “moderate” for Attorney General in 2013.

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CriticalDragon1177  Jul 25, 2015 • 7:27:21pm

Charles Johnson,

Thankfully I have a feeling that the supreme court won’t let this stand if they manage to actually make it become law.

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De Kolta Chair  Jul 25, 2015 • 7:27:32pm

re: #7 teleskiguy

If a Republican is elected president in 2016, expect Roe vs. Wade to be overturned.

Hopefully Justices Ginsburg (gawd bless her) and Kennedy (meh) will retire this or next year, or this nation will be in a @#&%load of trouble if a Repugnican becomes president.

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jaunte  Jul 25, 2015 • 7:29:10pm
“…In response to a question from the Guardian, Daleiden said the current uproar - including proposed laws requiring death certificates for fetuses - could create “bottlenecks” for clinics and pressure them to close.

He said abortion clinics had an achilles heel - fetal tissue disposal - which legislators could exploit. “From a legislative perspective I think the most impactful [measure] could be disposal. Laws requiring that human fetuses receive death certificates - that creates a huge bottleneck for them. That makes it difficult for the clinics to work.”

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Belafon  Jul 25, 2015 • 7:29:29pm

re: #11 De Kolta Chair

Hopefully Justices Ginsburg (gawd bless her) and Kennedy (meh) will retire this or next year, or we’re in a @#&%load of trouble.

They wouldn’t get replaced before the election with this Senate. And in Ginsburg retired, then we’d have at best 4-4 unless something happened to Kennedy.

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CriticalDragon1177  Jul 25, 2015 • 7:30:29pm

re: #7 teleskiguy

If a Republican is elected president in 2016, expect Roe vs. Wade to be overturned.

Which is a good reason to vote for a Democratic president and a Democratic congress. If we have a Republican president who insists on some kind of “pro life” litmus test for judges, at least if we have a heavily Democrat dominated congress, they could veto all his nominees in the worst case scenario.

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jaunte  Jul 25, 2015 • 7:31:37pm

Hurr, bottleneck!

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Ace-o-aces  Jul 25, 2015 • 7:34:15pm

First off, I think I deserve a hat tip for this.
Second, and more importantly, this shows the real agenda behind ALEC. Because this certainly isn’t in-line with their usual stance as “anti-regulation”.

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teleskiguy  Jul 25, 2015 • 7:38:12pm
Someone get me an ice pack.
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CleverToad  Jul 25, 2015 • 7:38:39pm

re: #16 Ace-o-aces

Hat is tipped, thank you.

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Targetpractice  Jul 25, 2015 • 7:38:41pm

Again, it’s not about “dignity” or “safety,” it’s an end-run around RvW with an eye towards banning abortion entirely. And once they’ve banned abortion, then birth control will be next. They will follow the same path as they have with abortion, slowly strangling access until they just outright outlaw it, every step of the way insisting it’s for the “health and safety of women.”

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The Ghost of a Flea  Jul 25, 2015 • 7:40:46pm

Another unpleasant possibility: does the death certificate name the parents?

I mean, how and where is this new paperwork going to process and/or file information? Who will have access?

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Dark_Falcon  Jul 25, 2015 • 7:41:22pm

I try not to get involved in matters relating to abortion these days, but I oppose this idea on the grounds of practicality: Imposing this sort of record-keeping requirement would require additional staff for doctors and hospitals but also for local governments.

That’s right Wesley Wingnut: If “Dignified Final Disposition” passes, it will increase the size and cost of government. Don’t think it won’t, because people are not going to wait a month to get this kind of document generated, especially not when not getting it could trigger a criminal investigation; Local governments will have to hire more staff and local taxpayers will have to pay for them.. And an increase in investigations will require more police officers, just as the record keeping will require more government bureaucrats.

So if you want to shrink the government, this is not the kind of law to pass.

BBL

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Ace-o-aces  Jul 25, 2015 • 7:43:19pm

re: #17 teleskiguy

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Iwouldprefernotto  Jul 25, 2015 • 7:43:24pm

re: #21 Dark_Falcon

I try not to get involved in matters relating to abortion these days, but I oppose this idea on the grounds of practicality: Imposing this sort of record-keeping requirement would require additional staff for doctors and hospitals but also for local governments.

That’s right Wesley Wingnut: If “Dignified Final Disposition” passes, it will increase the size and cost of government. Don’t think it won’t, because people are not going to wait a month to get this kind of document generated, especially not when not getting it could trigger a criminal investigation; Local governments will have to hire more staff and local taxpayers will have to pay for them.. And an increase in investigations will require more police officers, just as the record keeping will require more government bureaucrats.

So if you want to shrink the government, this is not the kind of law to pass.

Not to mention all the #$#$#@ lawsuits.

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De Kolta Chair  Jul 25, 2015 • 7:43:35pm

re: #13 Belafon

They wouldn’t get replaced before the election with this Senate. And in Ginsburg retired, then we’d have at best 4-4 unless something happened to Kennedy.

I shudder to think of it.

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Belafon  Jul 25, 2015 • 7:44:02pm

re: #21 Dark_Falcon

Remember, government should be small enough to fit in a woman’s vagina, and be able to stand guard at the plantation factory’s entrance.

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jaunte  Jul 25, 2015 • 7:46:05pm

re: #19 Targetpractice

Again, it’s not about “dignity” or “safety,” it’s an end-run around RvW with an eye towards banning abortion entirely. And once they’ve banned abortion, then birth control will be next. They will follow the same path as they have with abortion, slowly strangling access until they just outright outlaw it, every step of the way insisting it’s for the “health and safety of women.”

And as experience teaches, abortion will not disappear, it will go underground and women will be taking greater risks.

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William Lewis  Jul 25, 2015 • 7:47:32pm

re: #25 Belafon

Remember, government should be small enough to fit in a woman’s vagina, and be able to stand guard at the plantation factory’s entrance.

And be able to overthrow smaller national governments that dare actually rule in favor of the people that live there instead of for Megacorporation interests.

After all, isn’t that what the Marine Corps was created to do? /// Only slightly, see Major General Butler’s War Is A Racket for the pre-WWII version.

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CriticalDragon1177  Jul 25, 2015 • 7:47:38pm

re: #17 teleskiguy

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retired cynic  Jul 25, 2015 • 7:49:24pm

My mother was born in the early 20s, and her parents in the 1890s. They believed in safe, legal abortion. It may have been because they knew someone who died of an illegal abortion when my mother was a little girl. In fact, I believe it was a close relative. They were NOT flaming liberals, believe you me! Just humans who had seen the toll taken.

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Targetpractice  Jul 25, 2015 • 7:49:29pm

re: #26 jaunte

And as experience teaches, abortion will not disappear, it will go underground and women will be taking greater risks.

As I’ve noted time and again to wingnuts who’ve held him up as some sort of symbol of abortions, you’re going to see more Kermit Gosnells when abortion is banned, because the demand will not go away and there are going to be unscrupulous doctors willing to meet that demand in a fashion that will leave more women dead than there are now. Abortion has been around, in practice, for centuries. A ban, whether it be local, state, or federal, is not going to magically snuff it out.

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CriticalDragon1177  Jul 25, 2015 • 7:49:54pm

re: #22 Ace-o-aces

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jul 25, 2015 • 7:50:01pm

re: #17 teleskiguy

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Lack of craters couldn’t have anything to do with the atmosphere freezing out every orbit and then resubliming near perihelion? Nah!

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William Lewis  Jul 25, 2015 • 7:50:24pm

re: #28 CriticalDragon1177

I’d ask the good creationist if it is hard on his liver to be that drunk constantly so as to believe that ignorance in the face of God’s revelation in Science.

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The Ghost of a Flea  Jul 25, 2015 • 7:52:28pm

re: #21 Dark_Falcon

So if you want to shrink the government, this is not the kind of law to pass.

Yeah…so the “small government” thing is kind of complete and utter bullshit and has been since I was a gamete.

Social conservatives want a giant panopticist government so that nobody’s fucking or praying the wrong way.
Fiscal conservatives want a government that’s big enough to subsidize the fuck out their business cronies.
Both love small big government—law enforcement and a penal system that kicks the everliving shit out of people that dwell outside of their preferred norms regarding fucking, praying, and working for nothing.

Basically, there are giant silicon tits mounted on a Fiji mermaid riding a jackalope that are more real than US conservative principles about small government.

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jaunte  Jul 25, 2015 • 7:52:29pm

re: #30 Targetpractice

We seem to have a lot of social problems building up around people inclined to let their feelings overrule empirical evidence.

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Targetpractice  Jul 25, 2015 • 7:52:57pm

Personally, I always laugh my ass off when a wingnut who will scream that banning guns won’t work because people will still buy and sell guns illegally, insist that a ban on abortions will be effective at ending the practice.

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teleskiguy  Jul 25, 2015 • 8:02:50pm

re: #36 Targetpractice

Personally, I always laugh my ass off when a wingnut who will scream that banning guns won’t work because people will still buy and sell guns illegally, insist that a ban on abortions will be effective at ending the practice.

WHY DON’T YOU TAKE YOUR LOGIC AND GO TO BED?!?

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Chan Kobun  Jul 25, 2015 • 8:04:42pm

For those in need of a lift, I present something that will make you say “wat”:
Video

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Higgs Boson's Mate  Jul 25, 2015 • 8:05:28pm

There are a number of us here who are old enough to remember the times before Roe v Wade. The people who support so-called pro-life movements are the worst sort of do-as-I-say-not-as-I-do moralizing scum. They have no fucking idea of the misery and death they’re trying so hard to bring back.
Or, maybe they do yet the certain knowledge that their daughters may have to take unplanned vacations, but never have abortions, enables them to give into the glee of all that potential slut shaming.

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De Kolta Chair  Jul 25, 2015 • 8:11:00pm

Kicking back in the ‘burbs of Baltimore, listening to P-Funk and hanging with an old friend who’s a family court judge typing away at a legal document on her laptop in WordPerfect.

WordPerfect! Old skool y’all.

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#FergusonFireside  Jul 25, 2015 • 8:11:37pm

re: #38 Chan Kobun

For those in need of a lift, I present something that will make you say “wat”:
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Video

hahahahaha now I’m dizzy.

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teleskiguy  Jul 25, 2015 • 8:12:13pm

Uh…

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Eventual Carrion  Jul 25, 2015 • 8:13:04pm

re: #40 De Kolta Chair

Kicking back in the burbs of Baltimore, listening to P-Funk and watching an old friend who’s a family court judge typing away at a legal document on her laptop in WordPerfect.

WordPerfect! Old skool y’all.

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I have a Colorbook with 3.11 on it. Fired up the last time I tried it.

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jaunte  Jul 25, 2015 • 8:14:48pm

re: #42 teleskiguy

I’m thinking that shot would just fly back over the shooter’s head.

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Targetpractice  Jul 25, 2015 • 8:15:49pm

re: #40 De Kolta Chair

Kicking back in the ‘burbs of Baltimore, listening to P-Funk and hanging with an old friend who’s a family court judge typing away at a legal document on her laptop in WordPerfect.

WordPerfect! Old skool y’all.

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Ah, Win 3.1. That takes me back.

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Bubblehead II  Jul 25, 2015 • 8:17:37pm

re: #21 Dark_Falcon

I try not to get involved in matters relating to abortion these days, but I oppose this idea on the grounds of practicality: Imposing this sort of record-keeping requirement would require additional staff for doctors and hospitals but also for local governments.

That’s right Wesley Wingnut: If “Dignified Final Disposition” passes, it will increase the size and cost of government. Don’t think it won’t, because people are not going to wait a month to get this kind of document generated, especially not when not getting it could trigger a criminal investigation; Local governments will have to hire more staff and local taxpayers will have to pay for them.. And an increase in investigations will require more police officers, just as the record keeping will require more government bureaucrats.

So if you want to shrink the government, this is not the kind of law to pass.

Yet you will continue to vote for these fuckers because they have an R behind their name. Wake up D.F. Your party is going down the drain and it is taking you and us with them.

Hell, your party is not only advocating civil war, it’s doing it’s best to instigate it. Open your eyes. Your party not only openly accepts racists, it encourages them. We have the Tea Party, The 3%ers, the assorted militia groups and let us not forget this.

You can’t change them. That excuse has long ago been washed aside. Why then do you still support them? I can’t see any reason why other than you, at your core, support them and all they believe.

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De Kolta Chair  Jul 25, 2015 • 8:25:21pm

re: #45 Targetpractice

Ah, Win 3.1. That takes me back.

For formatting boring docs, WordPerfect remains the gold standard imho.

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William Lewis  Jul 25, 2015 • 8:28:15pm

re: #40 De Kolta Chair

My DOSbox image has my copy of Wordstar 7.0D (last version made) on it. Still runs fine and prints to my Brother laser printer. First serious software I bought legally.

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De Kolta Chair  Jul 25, 2015 • 8:32:55pm

re: #43 Eventual Carrion

I have a Colorbook with 3.11 on it. Fired up the last time I tried it.

When I google image “Colorbook with 3.11” this is one of the top ten responses:

Oh my, I am so gonna retrofit. ;-)

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jul 25, 2015 • 8:34:28pm

Trump: The Dark Heart of the Republican Party

Even the other candidates’ appeals to taste and professionalism fall flat. You can’t argue Donald Trump shouldn’t be making policy just because he’s rich when you’ve pushed for and won the complete gutting of the campaign finance system so rich people can write “FOR ZERO DERIVATIVES REGULATION” in the memo of a massive check. This is the system working. How is Trump any less qualified to determine policy than Sheldon Adelson, who may have mob ties in China, who likes to quash marijuana referenda to keep people away from vices that aren’t gambling, and who dictates our position on Israel? How is Trump less qualified to talk about abortion than ten-gallon shithead Foster Friess? Why is his money dirtier than the Kochs, whose exploding pipelines kill people? Hell, if anything, his candidacy cuts out the middleman. My god, think of the savings.

And now I’ll put in “via Anne Laurie @ Balloon Juice” after I hit “Post It” Instead of “Close” on Preview….

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Bubblehead II  Jul 25, 2015 • 8:37:53pm

Night Lizards. I’ve noticed D.F. has once again refused to defend his position. Strange, given I am one of the weakest debaters here. See you tomorrow.

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Higgs Boson's Mate  Jul 25, 2015 • 8:38:21pm

re: #47 De Kolta Chair

For formatting boring docs, WordPerfect remains the gold standard imho.

Someone once told me that law offices preferred Word Perfect because its copious keyboard shortcuts meant less mousing and more typing.

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CleverToad  Jul 25, 2015 • 8:38:54pm

G’nite, allz.
Have to simmer down so I can get to sleep — not polite to yawn during church, and it’s going to take awhile to for the steam to cool.

Will catch up on the thread tomorrow morning.
Sleep tight, dream pleasant.

Old favorite, often needed
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The Ghost of a Flea  Jul 25, 2015 • 8:38:54pm

Going to go ahead and add that delegating power and money to institutions that technically aren’t government, but function as government-proxies with no diminution of control, that directly get cash to act as proxies, is the “anal isn’t sex” of longing for smaller government.

Privatization is saddlebacking.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jul 25, 2015 • 8:42:54pm

re: #52 Higgs Boson’s Mate

Someone once told me that law offices preferred Word Perfect because its copious keyboard shortcuts meant less mousing and more typing.

Can’t beat WordStar for keyboard shortcuts. I probably had ~5% of them memorized, which even at that was enormous overkill for anything I ever wanted to do. Today’s word processors are just ridiculous.

My version of WordStar 5.5 still worked fine on my old ‘286 machine running DOS 3.3 last time I checked—well, that’s been a few years, probably.

Went straight to the Mac from DOS, so I’ve only had to fight with Windoze on public computers occasionally.

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De Kolta Chair  Jul 25, 2015 • 8:44:30pm

re: #48 William Lewis

My DOSbox image has my copy of Wordstar 7.0D (last version made) on it. Still runs fine and prints to my Brother laser printer. First serious software I bought legally.

Nice. When visiting the in-law’s I use my late mom-in-law’s computer,

Windows XP Professional SP3
Intel Core2 CPU 6400 @ 2.13GHz, 2.0GB RAM, Radeon X1300 Series

My favorite pc strategy game, Age of Empires II: The Conquerors, runs smooth as a baby’s behind.

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retired cynic  Jul 25, 2015 • 8:44:40pm

Went straight to Mac from CPM. 1992.

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PhillyPretzel  Jul 25, 2015 • 8:45:59pm

I tried to shut down my computer and it would not. I was pushing almost everything I could think of. I called Apple and talked to Darren. Within 15 minutes he had my MacBook Pro working again. G-d bless Apple and their tech people. Now the computer is fine but I am too keyed up from my computer going crazy. So I am back here.

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SteveMcGaziBolaGate  Jul 25, 2015 • 8:54:13pm

I find that people can be too dependent on the mouse. For example many times I get to my PC and find twoo or three versions of the same document open because somebody would minimize it, then not find it on the taskbar and open it again. I try over and over again to get them to alt+tab between open docs and programs, but so far no good.

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teleskiguy  Jul 25, 2015 • 8:54:30pm
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Chan Kobun  Jul 25, 2015 • 9:03:01pm

Well, it’s Toonami time, so I’ll be concentrating on that for the next hour and a half.

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teleskiguy  Jul 25, 2015 • 9:03:59pm

Well, this is a terrifying picture.

Fire has been put out. One person had to go to hospital for smoke inhalation.

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De Kolta Chair  Jul 25, 2015 • 9:05:09pm

Dear Google Image: When I search for Jack Kirby’s Orrgo, I want Jack Kirby’s Orrgo, not Jack Kirby’s Argo. Get your shit together. End of rant.

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PhillyPretzel  Jul 25, 2015 • 9:06:28pm

re: #62 teleskiguy

It certainly gives a new meaning to a hot time at the pool. All joking aside that is dangerous situation.

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jaunte  Jul 25, 2015 • 9:09:56pm

re: #63 De Kolta Chair

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De Kolta Chair  Jul 25, 2015 • 9:13:09pm

re: #65 jaunte

That’s one of my fave panels of all time!

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jaunte  Jul 25, 2015 • 9:14:23pm

re: #63 De Kolta Chair

Interesting, very much like Larry Niven’s Thrint, even with three stubby fingers, but written five years earlier.

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Feline Fearless Leader  Jul 25, 2015 • 9:14:58pm

A belated good evening to the Lizards.

Day trip into Manhattan went well. Trains were on time and it was a pleasant way to get into and then back out of the city.

Walked from Penn Station to Times Square to meet friends from overseas who were in NYC for the weekend. Had lunch and an extended visit to talk about this and that. So there wasn’t time for any additional extra tourist stuff. But this did serve as an effective scouting trip in terms of time and approximate transportation costs.

Crowds were not too bad - sort of like Old Town Philadelphia on a weekend, but on steroids. Time Square was a bit weird on top of that. Sidewalks more congested than I like due to scaffolding, vendors/tour guide folk, and the annoying stop/go behavior of tourists who seem to have a 6th sense for picking choke points as the place to stop and discuss where they are heading. Nothing I haven’t seen before in terms of pedestrians and automobile drivers being oblivious, ignorant, or inconsiderate.

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Feline Fearless Leader  Jul 25, 2015 • 9:16:37pm

re: #66 De Kolta Chair

That’s one of my fave panels of all time!

But does Orrgo have electrolytes so that plants will crave it as well?

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De Kolta Chair  Jul 25, 2015 • 9:21:17pm

re: #67 jaunte

But does Orrgo have electrolytes so that plants will crave it as well?

Beats me, but your query is a BIG reason why I love Little Green Footballs and its denizens.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jul 25, 2015 • 9:26:23pm

re: #67 jaunte

Interesting, very much like Larry Niven’s Thrint, even with three stubby fingers, but written five years earlier.

I was going to joke about the heart-shaped region on Pluto being from when Kzanol’s ship hit it and knocked it out of Neptune orbit, but I didn’t think anybody would get it….

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De Kolta Chair  Jul 25, 2015 • 9:28:54pm

re: #67 jaunte

Interesting, very much like Larry Niven’s Thrint, even with three stubby fingers, but written five years earlier.

What’s Thrint? I’ve only read Niven’s first Ringworld novel, and enjoyed playing the pc game adaptation.

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jaunte  Jul 25, 2015 • 9:30:17pm

re: #72 De Kolta Chair

Here’s a good synopsis: World of Ptavvs
en.wikipedia.org

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De Kolta Chair  Jul 25, 2015 • 9:33:20pm

re: #73 jaunte

Here’s a good synopsis: World of Ptavvs
en.wikipedia.org

I’ll check it out. Of the library! ;-)

Ordering right now. Thanks.

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stpaulbear  Jul 25, 2015 • 9:43:48pm

re: #56 De Kolta Chair

I’m still using a computer with XP and specs like your late mom-in-law. I don’t game, don’t stream movies and only have DSL service anyway. If I listen to music on the computer it’s streamed from my Amazon cloud library and that works fine.

Every time I get close to buying a new computer I think of a bunch of other things that I’d rather do with the money. As long as it works, updating the computer has about as much priority as updating my vacuum cleaner.

You don’t even want to see my cell phone.

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JadeHelmCurious  Jul 25, 2015 • 9:47:24pm
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De Kolta Chair  Jul 25, 2015 • 9:50:33pm

re: #76 JadeHelmCurious

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SteveMcGaziBolaGate  Jul 25, 2015 • 10:05:22pm

re: #72 De Kolta Chair

What’s Thrint? I’ve only read Niven’s first Ringworld novel, and enjoyed playing the pc game adaptation.

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As far as I was concerned, Ringworld was when Larry Niven jumped the shark.

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De Kolta Chair  Jul 25, 2015 • 10:11:15pm

‘Night all.

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Single-handed sailor  Jul 25, 2015 • 10:11:29pm

re: #78 SteveMcGaziBolaGate

As far as I was concerned, Ringworld was when Larry Niven jumped the shark.

Take that back or succumb to my variable sword!

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Higgs Boson's Mate  Jul 25, 2015 • 10:21:24pm

re: #79 De Kolta Chair

Trying to figure out why a far future society would have a statue of Donald Trump.

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Tigger2  Jul 25, 2015 • 10:53:49pm

Those anti choice people are fucking nuts.

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teleskiguy  Jul 25, 2015 • 11:17:16pm

This poor dog.

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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Jul 25, 2015 • 11:21:56pm

oh im so happy to hear that trump can “finally” attack white walker

my worst nightmare is trump endorsing him

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Teukka  Jul 25, 2015 • 11:52:30pm

This came across my newsfeed…

Künstler hängt in Freital Anti-Nazi-Plakate auf

Artist trolls Freital xenophobes [Google Translate]

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GlutenFreeJesus  Jul 26, 2015 • 12:15:41am

Making abortion illegal will stop abortions just like banning guns would stop gun crime.

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Jenner7  Jul 26, 2015 • 12:17:58am

Just watched Ex Machina. It was pretty good. Off to bed. Night.

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Bird in the Paw  Jul 26, 2015 • 1:03:56am

re: #72 De Kolta Chair

What’s Thrint? I’ve only read Niven’s first Ringworld novel, and enjoyed playing the pc game adaptation.

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That Kzinti look like a furry with an overeating disorder.

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Jul 26, 2015 • 2:35:01am

Proposed legislation does not go far enough. Women who get abortions should have to wear a large letter A on their foreheads, while those who miscarry receive a somewhat smaller letter M to warn others that their fertility is sub-optimal and thay should be shunned in favour of more fecund specimens.

/

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Jul 26, 2015 • 2:41:19am

re: #36 Targetpractice

Personally, I always laugh my ass off when a wingnut who will scream that banning guns won’t work because people will still buy and sell guns illegally, insist that a ban on abortions will be effective at ending the practice.

It makes perfect sense to them because they see unlimited access to gunz as a God-given right, while abortion is an abdomination unto the Lord. Just like when you argue about religion-based legislation. To them it applies only to America’s only true religion, Christianity.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jul 26, 2015 • 2:50:46am

re: #90 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

It makes perfect sense to them because they see unlimited access to gunz as a God-given right, while abortion is an abdomination unto the Lord. Just like when you argue about religion-based legislation. To them it applies only to America’s only true religion, Christianity.

Of course. “Religious Freedom™” only applies to them:

‘We will drive them out’: Christians gather to protest the Satanic Temple’s statue unveiling

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Romantic Heretic  Jul 26, 2015 • 3:25:58am

re: #67 jaunte

Interesting, very much like Larry Niven’s Thrint, even with three stubby fingers, but written five years earlier.

Amusing coincidence as I’m reading Niven’s The Soft Weapon at the moment.

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Jul 26, 2015 • 3:29:36am

re: #91 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

Of course. “Religious FreedomTM” only applies to them:

‘We will drive them out’: Christians gather to protest the Satanic Temple’s statue unveiling

We cannot reason with these people as they are immune to logic. We can only try to limit the amount of damage thaey can cause.

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Romantic Heretic  Jul 26, 2015 • 3:31:03am

re: #78 SteveMcGaziBolaGate

As far as I was concerned, Ringworld was when Larry Niven jumped the shark.

Ringworld was okay. I wish he’d stopped at that though.

But for galaxy spanning space opera with a deep history it’s hard to beat David Brin.

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Dark_Falcon  Jul 26, 2015 • 3:44:26am

re: #90 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

It makes perfect sense to them because they see unlimited access to gunz as a God-given right, while abortion is an abomination unto the Lord. Just like when you argue about religion-based legislation. To them it applies only to America’s only true religion, Christianity.

The people doing the protesting in Detroit aren’t all who you may think they are:

“This unveiling will not happen in the City of Detroit on my watch,” Bishop Corletta Vaughn of the Holy Ghost Cathedral in Detroit told the Free Press at Saturday’s protest. “I’m here to stand against this being in the City of Detroit. We will not turn over our city to Satanists. It’s a violent spirit that’s moving to the city and infiltrating that place. We will drive them out of Dodge.”

Very much an evangelical’s words, but in this case the Baptist evangelical in question is African-American and a woman as well. This is Bishop Vaughn’s biography from the female-oriented Oxygen channel, where she has had a leading role in a show called Preachers of Detroit .

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Jul 26, 2015 • 3:47:25am

re: #95 Dark_Falcon

The people doing the protesting in Detroit aren’t all who you may think they are:

Very much an evangelical’s words, but in this case the Baptist evangelical in question is African-American and a woman as well. This is Bishop Vaughn’s biography from the female-oriented Oxygen channel, where she has had a leading role in a show called Preachers of Detroit .

Crazy comes in all colors…

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Dark_Falcon  Jul 26, 2015 • 3:56:17am

re: #93 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

We cannot reason with these people as they are immune to logic. We can only try to limit the amount of damage thaey can cause.

The other religious leader quoted, Pastor David Bullock is also African-American and he appears on the same show as Bishop Vaughn.

This dust-up is taking place in Detroit, remember, where much (and likely most) of the Evangelical population is of African ancestry. Thus much of the protesting has been done by African-Americans whose religious sensibilities have been offended and who see Christian morality as the best force for the renewal and redemption of the Motor City. Vaughn and Bullock almost certainly see the Satanist chapter leader Jex Blackmore (a most unfortunate name in this instance) as a white person who is out to disrupt what they have built and corrupt the youth of their city.

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William Lewis  Jul 26, 2015 • 3:59:45am

re: #95 Dark_Falcon

If they were serious about “defeating” them, they’d be concentrating on living as the Lord taught us to live; leading by example rather than by blather.

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Dark_Falcon  Jul 26, 2015 • 4:07:20am

re: #96 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

Crazy comes in all colors…

True, but the same preachers who rally Detroit-area black people against police brutality are the ones protesting the Satanists. In part because they sincerely believe that the Satanists’ anti-authority message is disastrous for young people, who need moral authority to keep them out of the kind of trouble that increases the risk of them encountering hostile police.

And lastly, this scrimmage relevant as it is an inter-Democratic scrimmage. There is a left-right dynamic and a racial dynamic being played out, to be sure, but they are playing out inside the group of constituencies of The Democracy.* I’d like your thoughts on that.

*: “The Democracy” is an old nickname for the Democratic Party. I like to use it sometimes as a counterpoint to the Republican Party’s nickname of the Grand Old Party (GOP).

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Dr Lizardo  Jul 26, 2015 • 4:19:01am

Berkeley Breathed strikes again.

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Jul 26, 2015 • 5:15:56am

re: #99 Dark_Falcon

True, but the same preachers who rally Detroit-area black people against police brutality are the ones protesting the Satanists. .

WTF has one got to do with another? Support of one particular “liberal” or “conservative” issue does not imply support of an entire list of other ones.

That would be like arguing that Dylan Roof was a “liberal” because he burned a US flag, that being a Muslim means that you must take part in armed Jihad, or that supporting the Occupy movement meant that you are a bomb-throwing anti-capitalist anarchist. Politics, like religion, is very much a pick-and-choose thing.

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Jul 26, 2015 • 5:47:16am

re: #99 Dark_Falcon

also keep in mind that religion operates at a level of gut reaction more than politics (although the degree of overlap is often quite large) and some people react strongly to any manifestation of Satan the same say that others might react to teh Ghey or to rumors of creeping Sharia, etc.

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darthstar  Jul 26, 2015 • 5:48:24am

mmmmmmm…Satan

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Jul 26, 2015 • 5:52:03am

Satanic lotion!

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A Mom Anon  Jul 26, 2015 • 5:53:04am

I am close to someone who carried a pregnancy to term about 10 yrs ago, only to have the baby die during labor. As you can imagine this was a completely devastating event in her life. So in addition to all of that grief, she would have also had to endure a criminal investigation as well? Oh Hell No. She herself could have died, but no, let’s not talk about that.

This same person also lives in a very underserved area medically. The only women’s clinic, a Planned Parenthood office, was closed down years ago by so called “Christians” who did literally nothing to help the people they said they loved so much that they had to save them from the horror of PP. And because of that, this woman had very little pre-natal care because it’s nearly a 90 minute drive to the nearest OB/GYN or a damned hospital that’s equipped to perform anything beyond the most basic of care. There are also no pediatricians serving that community either. The nearest pediatrician is about an hour away.

This is about overturning Roe V. Wade without actually having to overturn it. Make it so insane that clinics have to close and communities end up like the one I just described. Underserved and left with minimal at best medical care. And I can ASSURE you, that rich people will still have access to abortion, they did before Roe, and that will continue as it always has. The people crafting these laws would avail themselves of these services as soon as a situation arose that effected them directly. Love the Fetus, Hate the Child (and their Mother) should be their fucking motto. If they cared about children they’d make god damned sure that no child in this country went to bed hungry or abused. That they never mention those things speaks volumes about who they are. How they gained so much power is something that has to be confronted and dealt with. Now.

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darthstar  Jul 26, 2015 • 5:53:40am

ORC! ORC! ORC!

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Jul 26, 2015 • 5:57:58am

re: #106 darthstar

It shows that the electorate is as confused politically as adolescents are confused emotionally

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Jul 26, 2015 • 6:00:48am

re: #105 A Mom Anon

This is about overturning Roe V. Wade without actually having to overturn it.

I am sure that most Americans are opposed to abortion in a moral sense, but in the practical sense, they want to have the option open just in case their daughters fail to live up to the moral standards they themselves failed at as teenagers…

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7-y (Expectation of Great Things in Due Course)  Jul 26, 2015 • 6:01:52am

re: #1 Azalea

The fact that the GOP is working so hard to stigmatize even stillbirths and miscarriages reveals how shockingly little they know about the statistics of those occurrences. Or about pregnancy in general, really.

Maybe it will take an effort to shock: We could start talking about the abortions God performs such that most human pregnancies do not end in live births - regardless of human-induced abortions.

Either the creator has a flawed process or he just likes to abort human lives?

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Bird in the Paw  Jul 26, 2015 • 6:08:12am

re: #89 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

Proposed legislation does not go far enough. Women who get abortions should have to wear a large letter A on their foreheads, while those who miscarry receive a somewhat smaller letter M to warn others that their fertility is sub-optimal and thay should be shunned in favour of more fecund specimens.

/

You say that like it’s a joke, but I see the future that Margeret Atwood depicted in The Handmaid’s Tale as a permutation of where we are headed. I want to put a sarc tag here, but if the fetus-worshiper are in charge for an extended period of time, we are looking at a bleak period until the grow ups are back in charge to fix things.

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Jul 26, 2015 • 6:09:38am

re: #110 Bird in the Paw

You say that like it’s a joke, but I see the future that Margeret Atwood depicted in The Handmaid’s Tale as a permutation of where we are headed. I want to put a sarc tag here, but if the fetus-worshiper are in charge for an extended period of time, we are looking at a bleak period until the grow ups are back in charge to fix things.

No question about that. These people still see women as property, and unwanted pregnancies ruin the value of their assets.

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Bird in the Paw  Jul 26, 2015 • 6:17:36am

A little OT, but if I throw in an Amazon link, does Charles get a tip if someone uses it it, because the purchase sorta originated here?

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Decatur Deb  Jul 26, 2015 • 6:18:29am

re: #111 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

No question about that. These people still see women as property, and unwanted pregnancies ruin the value of their assets.

Every layer of the anti-choice movement, like every kind of racism, has a mix of differing motives in varying proportions. Those who are driven by those motives are rarely aware of them.

Just one fundamental drive of the anti-abortion/anti-contraception effort is to overproduce mouths to be fed, forcing parents to accept increasingly shitty work at increasingly lower pay. Team LaSalle for the win!!

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Jul 26, 2015 • 6:23:53am

re: #113 Decatur Deb

Every layer of the anti-choice movement, like every kind of racism, has a mix of differing motives in varying proportions. Those who are driven by those motives are rarely aware of them.

Just one fundamental drive of the anti-abortion/anti-contraception effort is to overproduce mouths to be fed, forcing parents to accept increasingly shitty work at increasingly lower pay. Team LaSalle for the win!!

I see that as an unwanted side effect: the main impetus is the moral constraint: fear of unwanted pregnancy (and unwanted birth) should help people (chiefly young women) keep their legs together until they have found a husband who can afford to keep them at home, barefoot and pregnant.

And it is fear of women: they know how susceptible men are to their sexual wiles and want to limit their ability to use them on the mentally and emotionally weaker sex.

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jaunte  Jul 26, 2015 • 6:24:25am

re: #112 Bird in the Paw

A little OT, but if I throw in an Amazon link, does Charles get a tip if someone uses it it, because the purchase sorta originated here?

If you set up your link through the Amazon button at the top left of the page, Charles will get a percentage.

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Decatur Deb  Jul 26, 2015 • 6:28:30am

re: #114 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

I see that as an unwanted side effect: the main impetus is the moral constraint: fear of unwanted pregnancy (and unwanted birth) should help people (chiefly young women) keep their legs together until they have found a husband who can afford to keep them at home, barefoot and pregnant.

And it is fear of women: they know how susceptible men are to their sexual wiles and want to limit their ability to use them on the mentally and emotionally weaker sex.

That’s true for some, and never unmixed. Watching a social control at work, it’s useful to ask “What fundamental purpose does this serve?” Your answer will depend on what kind(s) of determinist you are.

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Jul 26, 2015 • 6:32:37am

re: #116 Decatur Deb

That’s true for some, and never unmixed. Watching a social control at work, it’s useful to ask “What fundamental purpose does this serve?” Your answer will depend on what kind(s) of determinist you are.

If they want cheap labor, they got illegal aliens, and besides, they are Catholic and breed like vermin…

/

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Belafon  Jul 26, 2015 • 6:36:11am

re: #106 darthstar

Sounds an awful lot like Mexico from not too long ago when they finally ended one party controlling the presidency: A majority voted for one guy thinking the other one would win.

If Trump stays in, the Republicans could be in for a nasty shock.

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Decatur Deb  Jul 26, 2015 • 6:37:05am

re: #117 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

If they want cheap labor, they got illegal aliens, and besides, they are Catholic and breed like vermin…

/

The Freeper nativists scream long and loud about the mainstream GOP politicians who are on the Koch/Chamber of Commerce “Cheap Labor Express”. Freepers and Kos Kids hate the many of the same people for different reasons.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 26, 2015 • 6:38:17am

re: #9 Timothy Watson

That loathsome piece of shit, state Senator Mark Obenshain, introduced a bill a couple years ago here in Virginia that would impose that requirement on miscarriages and the goddamn media let him run as a “moderate” for Attorney General in 2013.

Yep. Sweeping governor, lt governor, and AG was the best possible thing that could have happened. But you’re right. The media painted Obenshain as a “moderate” when his record was anything but. He just wasn’t as open about being a right wing nut job like Coochy and Jackson were.

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Jul 26, 2015 • 6:39:41am

re: #116 Decatur Deb

That’s true for some, and never unmixed. Watching a social control at work, it’s useful to ask “What fundamental purpose does this serve?” Your answer will depend on what kind(s) of determinist you are.

there are, for example, people who are so obsessed with sex, drinking, gambling and fighting that they believe that the only way to keep from doing so all the time is to work hard from sunup to sundown…which is a great agenda to push if you want a workforce that will keep busy.

Hence the Koch/Christian fundamentalist alliance.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 26, 2015 • 6:39:56am

re: #106 darthstar

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I am not surprised at all that GOP voters love Trump. He says what many of the establishment’s favorites would never say on camera and what they the base have been wanting for years. I still don’t think Trump will be the nominee but Trump is going to make a big impact on the debates and the primary.

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Jul 26, 2015 • 6:40:36am

re: #120 HappyWarrior

He just wasn’t as open about being a right wing nut job like Coochy and Jackson were.

One big plus about the modern GOP, you have to put the looney right up front to get nominated.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 26, 2015 • 6:44:15am

re: #123 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

One big plus about the modern GOP, you have to put the looney right up front to get nominated.

Exactly. Obenshain is much closer to being from the Cuccinnelli/Jackson wing of the Va Republican party than he is John Warner/Tom Davis. The latter used to have some swing but they have lost it since those two guys left the Senate and the House. As Virginia as a whole has grown more progressive, our Republicans have grown more regressive paradoxical as that sounds.

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Iwouldprefernotto  Jul 26, 2015 • 6:44:41am

Sunday’s Doonesbury

It’s about our fav GOP candidate.

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Iwouldprefernotto  Jul 26, 2015 • 6:46:51am

Quote from the Doonesbury page

“If I am elected president I will go after marijuana smokers and the states that allow them to smoke. I’ll shut them down big time. I’m sick of these addicts, sick of these liberals with no self-control.”
—Gov. Chris Christie

Not going to get many votes in my neighborhood (Park Slope, Brooklyn). with this.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 26, 2015 • 6:48:07am

re: #126 Iwouldprefernotto

Quote from the Doonesbury page

Not going to get many votes in my neighborhood (Park Slope, Brooklyn). with this.

Not going to get too many votes by anyone under 35 with that. Christie is fucking clueless.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 26, 2015 • 6:48:40am

Christie should be one to talk about self control.

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Jul 26, 2015 • 6:48:47am

re: #126 Iwouldprefernotto

“If I am elected president I will go after marijuana smokers and the states that allow them to smoke. I’ll shut them down big time. I’m sick of these addicts, sick of these liberals with no self-control.”
—Gov. Chris Christie

I know it is rude and a bit cliché, but I can understand that Christie is opposed to anything that leads to an attack of the Munchies.

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Decatur Deb  Jul 26, 2015 • 6:49:31am

re: #121 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

there are, for example, people who are so obsessed with sex, drinking, gambling and fighting that they believe that the only way to keep from doing so all the time is to work hard from sunup to sundown…which is a great agenda to push if you want a workforce that will keep busy.

Hence the Koch/Christian fundamentalist alliance.

Yup. Leads back to the early social historians’ explanation that the rise of capitalism depended on the Calvinist reformation.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 26, 2015 • 6:50:07am

re: #129 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

I know it is rude and a bit cliché, but I can understand that Christie is opposed to anything that leads to the Munchies.

Maybe rude heh but I chuckled. Really, I have a problem with a man who was so out of shape that he had to get surgery for it lecturing me about self control. I enjoy pot from time to time but I can easily go off of it for a time too.

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PhillyPretzel  Jul 26, 2015 • 6:50:10am

re: #126 Iwouldprefernotto

If Gov Christie ever goes to Holland I will bet $.01 that the first place he visits will either be their red light district or a “coffee shop.”

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Iwouldprefernotto  Jul 26, 2015 • 6:52:45am

re: #131 HappyWarrior

Maybe rude heh but I chuckled. Really, I have a problem with a man who was so out of shape that he had to get surgery for it lecturing me about self control. I enjoy pot from time to time but I can easily go off of it for a time too.

States like NY and NJ are not going to vote against pot. If Christie can’t win these states what’s the point of his candidacy? Any Republican can win most of the South and the Midwest. Christie brings nothing to the table.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 26, 2015 • 6:54:10am

re: #133 Iwouldprefernotto

States like NY and NJ are not going to vote against pot. If Christie can’t win these states what’s the point of his candidacy? Any Republican can win most of the South and the Midwest. Christie brings nothing to the table.

I never saw him as a particularly strong candidate even before he embraced Obama following Sandy and Bridgegate. But yeah he’s not going to win anywhere doing that. I agree, he brings nothing to the table.

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Belafon  Jul 26, 2015 • 7:01:26am

re: #133 Iwouldprefernotto

States like NY and NJ are not going to vote against pot. If Christie can’t win these states what’s the point of his candidacy? Any Republican can win most of the South and the Midwest. Christie brings nothing to the table.

Are there really any states where “I’m against pot” would change who the state votes for?

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sagehen  Jul 26, 2015 • 7:02:41am

re: #135 Belafon

Are there really any states where “I’m against pot” would change who the state votes for?

Maybe Colorado, they’re a swing state. The rest of the pot states are deep blue.

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PhillyPretzel  Jul 26, 2015 • 7:03:24am

re: #133 Iwouldprefernotto

re: #134 HappyWarrior

Right now the GOP is getting desperate. They will tolerate Trump (the sump pump) and Christie to get a name that people will recognize and vote for. I personally believe that the Democrats have an excellent chance of getting into the White House.

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Iwouldprefernotto  Jul 26, 2015 • 7:03:58am

re: #135 Belafon

Are there really any states where “I’m against pot” would change who the state votes for?

I think it’s like being against gay marriage.

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Decatur Deb  Jul 26, 2015 • 7:05:36am

re: #135 Belafon

Are there really any states where “I’m against pot” would change who the state votes for?

Our meth-heads are very loyal to their bliss.

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jaunte  Jul 26, 2015 • 7:05:49am

re: #137 PhillyPretzel

“Sump Pump Trump”

I like it.

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PhillyPretzel  Jul 26, 2015 • 7:06:29am

re: #140 jaunte

That is why I call him “Trump the Sump Pump”

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HappyWarrior  Jul 26, 2015 • 7:08:19am

re: #137 PhillyPretzel

Right now the GOP is getting desperate. They will tolerate Trump (the sump pump) and Christie to get a name that people will recognize and vote for. I personally believe that the Democrats have an excellent chance of getting into the White House.

I think they have a great chance of retaining it too. The problem the GOP has that its growth has been in places with demographics that are shrinking. The Dems OTOH have had growth with growing demographics. The Latino vote in particular has been vital to Obama’s success in states like Nevada, Colorado, and New Mexico. I’ll throw in Florida in there too and my own state of Virginia which a lot of people really don’t consider the rising Hispanic vote. There’s a reason why so many in the GOP are opposed to immigration reform and the DREAM Act in particular because they know when those Hispanic immigrants get naturalized, they’re not going to vote GOP mostly. Of course the GOP has only itself to blame for that. Same thing with Asians. The GOP is rapidly becoming the party of white people. Sure they have some high profile elected minorities but the rank and file is as white bread as ever.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 26, 2015 • 7:09:41am

re: #138 Iwouldprefernotto

I think it’s like being against gay marriage.

I think it’s his mindset. He really comes off clueless as shit when he paints pot smokers as just lazy, unmotivated liberals.

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BlueSpotinAL  Jul 26, 2015 • 7:14:12am

re: #132 PhillyPretzel

If Gov Christie ever goes to Holland I will bet $.01 that the first place he visits will either be their red light district or a “coffee shop.”

Nah, donut shop.

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PhillyPretzel  Jul 26, 2015 • 7:15:30am

re: #144 BlueSpotinAL

I can see that. Rolly Polly Christie rolls into a donut shop. lol

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HappyWarrior  Jul 26, 2015 • 7:15:34am

Christie comes off to me viewing pot how someone like Nixon probably did. Oh Haldeman, those damn liberal pot smoking hippies are at it again. I can even cut some small slack to Nixon since he grew up watching the anti-marijuana propaganda of Reefer Madness and shit like that but Christie is in a time where we’ve seen that marijuana has medical benefits.

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Jul 26, 2015 • 7:15:59am

re: #132 PhillyPretzel

If Gov Christie ever goes to Holland I will bet $.01 that the first place he visits will either be their red light district or a “coffee shop.”

No, he will go the pannekoeken restaurant.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 26, 2015 • 7:16:43am

re: #147 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

No, he will go the pannekoeken restaurant.

Pannekoeken? Asking since I am planning on going to the Netherlands for the first time in a couple years.

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Eric The Fruit Bat  Jul 26, 2015 • 7:16:58am

So now we see that these whackjobs are working with ALEC, whose sole purpose is to get rid of government regulation by adding new government regulation.

Riiiiiiight.

Sounds like it’s time to engage in sousveillance against ALEC when their local/state boards come up. Better still, since their drafting legislation, yank their tax-exempt status.

Someone Republican rep in the MN house tried to sneak in some ALEC legislation that was almost a 100% cut-n-paste job, and a DFL-er called them out on it.

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PhillyPretzel  Jul 26, 2015 • 7:17:27am

re: #147 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

For the rice table. I can see that too. Of course they will have to close because he will consume everything in sight. /

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PhillyPretzel  Jul 26, 2015 • 7:18:32am

re: #148 HappyWarrior

I think it is for the rice table. Rice and a bunch of very spicy sides. The idea come from the Indies and all of their spices.

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Jul 26, 2015 • 7:18:49am

re: #142 HappyWarrior

There’s a reason why so many in the GOP are opposed to immigration reform and the DREAM Act in particular because they know when those Hispanic immigrants get naturalized, they’re not going to vote GOP mostly. Of course the GOP has only itself to blame for that.

Funny, they are Catholic, into strong families and the value of hard work. But they also favor strong communities, public institutions and quality education, and they know that the privatized Free Market is not the answer to that.

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jaunte  Jul 26, 2015 • 7:20:02am

re: #148 HappyWarrior

Pannekoeken? Asking since I am planning on going to the Netherlands for the first time in a couple years.

everyfoodweeat.blogspot.com

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HappyWarrior  Jul 26, 2015 • 7:20:21am

re: #151 PhillyPretzel

I think it is for the rice table. Rice and a bunch of very spicy sides.

Oooh.

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Jul 26, 2015 • 7:21:15am

re: #151 PhillyPretzel

I think it is for the rice table. Rice and a bunch of very spicy sides.

yeah, pannekoeken was just the appetizer course, to be followed by a bitterballen binge.

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Jul 26, 2015 • 7:22:02am

re: #148 HappyWarrior

Pannekoeken? Asking since I am planning on going to the Netherlands for the first time in a couple years.

my favorite are speck met gember (bacon and ginger marmalade)

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HappyWarrior  Jul 26, 2015 • 7:22:36am

re: #153 jaunte

everyfoodweeat.blogspot.com

Yummy. Speaking of Amsterdam though, anyone know some good sites besides the Anne Frank house, Heineken brewery, and I think the Van Gogh museum is there too. I like to do culture but also fun too.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 26, 2015 • 7:22:57am

re: #156 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

my favorite are speck met gember (bacon and ginger marmalade)

That sounds really good.

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PhillyPretzel  Jul 26, 2015 • 7:24:36am

If you watch Rick Steves’ Europe especially the Amsterdam episodes you will get an example of a rice table and some other Dutch foods.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 26, 2015 • 7:25:04am
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jaunte  Jul 26, 2015 • 7:25:20am

re: #157 HappyWarrior

The canal cruises are a good way to see the town/house fronts from the water side.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 26, 2015 • 7:27:33am

re: #159 PhillyPretzel

If you watch Rick Steves’ Europe especially the Amsterdam episodes you will get an example of a rice table and some other Dutch foods.

Yeah I watched his episodes on Dublin, Madrid, Barcelona, and Lisbon in preparation for my last trip. He’s definitely my favorite travel show host. He writes really good guides too. My finding a discount old Spain guide at a Booksamillion is actually along with reading The Sun Also Rises is what inspired me to go to Spain in the first place. Going to be different this time since I’ll have my sixteen year old kid brother with me. Planning on also going to Belgium, Austria, Germany, and Switzerland.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 26, 2015 • 7:28:00am

re: #161 jaunte

The canal cruises are a good way to see the town/house fronts from the water side.

That sounds nice. I’ll make a note of that.

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Jul 26, 2015 • 7:28:30am

re: #161 jaunte

The canal cruises are a good way to see the town/house fronts from the water side.

I am spoiled, my buddy had a 20-foot yacht and we used to tour Amsterdam by canal. It is so cool lining on to a cafe and climbing over the railing to your table. Seeing it on foot no longer interests me.

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jaunte  Jul 26, 2015 • 7:28:43am

re: #163 HappyWarrior

some reviews here:
tripadvisor.com

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PhillyPretzel  Jul 26, 2015 • 7:29:01am

re: #162 HappyWarrior

That is one of many reasons why I watch PBS. The travel and cooking shows are great.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 26, 2015 • 7:29:50am

re: #165 jaunte

some reviews here:
tripadvisor.com

Thanks. Looks really nice. I used TripAdvisor a lot last summer to get ideas.

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jaunte  Jul 26, 2015 • 7:30:19am

re: #164 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

One of my wife’s online friends lives on a canal boat in England (in the summers). I am insanely envious.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 26, 2015 • 7:31:46am

re: #166 PhillyPretzel

That is one of many reasons why I watch PBS. The travel and cooking shows are great.

I like the Travel and documentaries. Lisbon for me last summer was such a pleasant surprise. I fell in love with the country of Portugal. Only reason why I went to Portugal in the first place was it always seemed like an interesting place and no one I know had been there before. Ended up being great- nicest people I’ve met in my travels, beautiful scenery, delicious food, and by far the best hostel I ever stayed at.

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darthstar  Jul 26, 2015 • 7:32:10am

Good morning…again. Was able to go back to sleep for a bit and wake up at a respectable hour.

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darthstar  Jul 26, 2015 • 7:33:20am
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Higgs Boson's Mate  Jul 26, 2015 • 7:34:23am

re: #171 darthstar

I know exactly what it means when a winger asks a a question like that one.

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Jul 26, 2015 • 7:41:15am

re: #172 Higgs Boson’s Mate

I know exactly what it means when a winger asks a a question like that one.

It means that Obama is not really an American. Not our America. We want our country back!!!

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WhatEVs  Jul 26, 2015 • 7:41:29am

Before I logged in, this was an ad on the page. I am sure Jan Brewer appreciates the aging treatment.

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scottslemmons  Jul 26, 2015 • 7:42:34am

re: #171 darthstar

Someone please tell Todd Starnes that Jesus wants him to tongue-fuck a fusebox.

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darthstar  Jul 26, 2015 • 7:54:15am

Jaw dropping, one-shot (no cuts or edits) video of a mountain bike run…

…

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No Country For Old Haters  Jul 26, 2015 • 7:56:36am

re: #92 Romantic Heretic

Amusing coincidence as I’m reading Niven’s The Soft Weapon at the moment.

Based on the comments under this video, it looks like the Kzinti were almost regular Star Trek villains.

…

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Bird in the Paw  Jul 26, 2015 • 8:04:44am

re: #115 jaunte

If you set up your link through the Amazon button at the top left of the page, Charles will get a percentage.

Thanks

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 26, 2015 • 8:11:42am
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darthstar  Jul 26, 2015 • 8:12:06am

re: #178 Bird in the Paw

Thanks

Any link to amazon will do the trick, actually. I need to buy some more herbal vitamins for my dogs for example so I’ll drop a link then click it.

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darthstar  Jul 26, 2015 • 8:14:43am

At least he’s not wearing Crocs (Tevas are far more useful in combat situations) but a .22…seriously?

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Kid A  Jul 26, 2015 • 8:16:04am

Check Twitter for RWNJ head explosions. PP President Cecile Richards is on This Week.

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Jul 26, 2015 • 8:16:11am

re: #179 Backwoods_Sleuth

These lying freaks forget 1 in 5 women use a Planned Parenthood in her lifetime.We know what ACTUALLY goes on there.

That will come back to bite them in the end. Women make up 50% of the electorate and are not going to stand by and watch theses idjits take away their advances in reproductive health.

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darthstar  Jul 26, 2015 • 8:17:06am

Gotta be careful with those .22s - those suckers really kick when you shoot them!

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Kid A  Jul 26, 2015 • 8:17:36am

re: #183 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

That will come back to bite them in the end. Women make up 50% of the electorate and are not going to stand by and watch theses idjits take away their advances in reproductive health.

And a lot of Republican women will vote for Hillary Clinton.

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Jul 26, 2015 • 8:18:13am

re: #184 darthstar

Gotta be careful with those .22s - those suckers really kick when you shoot them!

I think he has enough built-in shock absorbers

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Timothy Watson  Jul 26, 2015 • 8:19:57am

re: #181 darthstar

At least he’s not wearing Crocs (Tevas are far more useful in combat situations) but a .22…seriously?

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Always fun watching a quasi-sovereign citizen group guard government employees.

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WhatEVs  Jul 26, 2015 • 8:22:24am

re: #163 HappyWarrior

That sounds nice. I’ll make a note of that.

And some are Hop On/Hop Off so you get a tour and a taxi ride. That’ll also give you ideas of what you might want to see.

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darthstar  Jul 26, 2015 • 8:23:44am

Go eat a bag of soggy dicks, Huck.

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Higgs Boson's Mate  Jul 26, 2015 • 8:24:13am

re: #181 darthstar

“You’ll shoot your eye out um, kid.”

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Bird in the Paw  Jul 26, 2015 • 8:24:53am

re: #180 darthstar

Any link to amazon will do the trick, actually. I need to buy some more herbal vitamins for my dogs for example so I’ll drop a link then click it.

Ok. I left a direct link, then asked ‘cause I wanted to give the tip to Charles, then changed it. But that’s good to know

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darthstar  Jul 26, 2015 • 8:30:24am
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darthstar  Jul 26, 2015 • 8:38:54am
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Timothy Watson  Jul 26, 2015 • 8:41:50am

re: #193 darthstar

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I get e-mails from my student loan servicer every couple months telling me how much I owe…

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darthstar  Jul 26, 2015 • 8:43:25am
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darthstar  Jul 26, 2015 • 8:43:46am

re: #194 Timothy Watson

I get e-mails from my student loan servicer every couple months telling me how much I owe…

What an awesome trick!

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Jul 26, 2015 • 8:45:12am

re: #189 darthstar

Huckabee: Obama’s Iran deal ‘will take the Israelis and march them to the door of the oven’

He knows what his target audience wants to hear.

these are people who

a) have no concern for Israel beyond a place to start Armageddon

b) are convinced that Obama is a secret Muslim who hates Israel

c) can’t find Iran on a map

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calochortus  Jul 26, 2015 • 8:45:20am

re: #183 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

That will come back to bite them in the end. Women make up 50% of the electorate and are not going to stand by and watch theses idjits take away their advances in reproductive health.

Good morning all.
It may or may not bite them in the end. There are women who are strongly against their own reproductive rights because they are afraid “those people over there” are immoral and need the controls on their behavior.

Also, the idea of a fetal death certificate is totally unworkable because a lot of women have early miscarriages without ever realizing they were pregnant. That means the menstrual fluid analysis labs will have a lot of work to do. Yay, small government!

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Timothy Watson  Jul 26, 2015 • 8:45:54am

re: #196 darthstar

What an awesome trick!

But it hasn’t stopped me from borrowing more. :)

(course, it’s better for me to borrow more at a lower interest rate and pay down the older loans that were at a higher interest rate.)

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Jul 26, 2015 • 8:45:57am

re: #196 darthstar

What an awesome trick!

They should have used that trick on Greece in 2010!!!

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Higgs Boson's Mate  Jul 26, 2015 • 8:46:38am

re: #195 darthstar

Dropping that “Christ killers” thing was a nice piece of work, fundies.

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darthstar  Jul 26, 2015 • 8:49:53am

re: #201 Higgs Boson’s Mate

Dropping that “Christ killers” thing was a nice piece of work, fundies.

That’s a fun retort to use on fundies when they pretend to love Israel…so I guess killing Jesus was okay with you?

Live by the myth, die by the myth.

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Jul 26, 2015 • 8:52:00am

re: #201 Higgs Boson’s Mate

Dropping that “Christ killers” thing was a nice piece of work, fundies.

They still have no use for the Jews, they just need Israel in order to fulfill their apocalyptic prophecies.

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BeachDem  Jul 26, 2015 • 8:53:44am

On the main topic—this shit has been going on for a long time. From a 2011 piece I wrote:

February, 2011
State Rep. Bobby Franklin of Georgia introduced a bill that would require proof that a miscarriage occurred naturally. If a woman can’t prove that her miscarriage-or spontaneous abortion-occurred without intervention, she could face felony charges.

Some of the more ridiculous/insane wording in the bill include:

“Justice Blackmun, writing for the majority in Roe v. Wade, 410 U.S. 113 (1973),wrote: ‘when those trained in the respective disciplines of medicine, philosophy, and theology are unable to arrive at any consensus, the judiciary, at this point in the development of man’s knowledge, is not in a position to speculate as to the answer [to the question of when life begins].

“The General Assembly knows the answer to that difficult question, and that answer is life begins at the moment of conception.”
legis.ga.gov

Yes, folks—you read that right—the Georgia General Assembly knows better than those trained in the respective disciplines of medicine, philosophy, and theology. So who are we, mere peons, to question their authority?

care2.com explains it in all of its misogynist glory “Franklin wants to create a Uterus Police to investigate miscarriages, and requires that any time a miscarriage occurs, whether in a hospital or without medical assistance, it must be reported and a fetal death certificate issued. If the cause of death is unknown, it must be investigated. If the woman can’t tell how it happened, than those Uterus Police can ask family members and friends how it happened. Hospitals are required to keep records of anyone who has a spontaneous abortion and report it. Yup, we’ve been waiting for someone to suggest this-and Franklin has. Needless to say, there are no exceptions allowed. Not for rape victims. Not for incest victims. Not to save the life and health of the mother (the fetus must get equal care).”

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PhillyPretzel  Jul 26, 2015 • 8:55:41am

re: #204 BeachDem

Remind me never to go to GA.

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Dark_Falcon  Jul 26, 2015 • 8:59:09am

re: #195 darthstar

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Huckabee likes the idea of Israel as it exists in his own (delusional) mind. Israel as its exists in reality likely sends him into paroxysms of anger. Although I sure stories about Ultra-Orthodox Jews in Israel attempting to subject other Jews to their rules give Huck the warm fuzzies.

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The Ghost of a Flea  Jul 26, 2015 • 9:00:02am

re: #203 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

They still have no use for the Jews, they just need Israel in order to fulfill their apocalyptic prophecies.

…which is why anti-semitic tropes are still being applied to “The Bad Kind of Jews” freely.

Like the stuff applied to Soros, or the iterations of the Frankfort conspiracy.

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JadeHelmCurious  Jul 26, 2015 • 9:00:26am
Choices

I’m trying to figure out what speaker wire to use when I want to jam Lady Baby:
…

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Jul 26, 2015 • 9:00:28am

re: #206 Dark_Falcon

Huckabee likes the idea of Israel as it exists in his own (delusional) mind. Israel as its exists in reality likely sends him into paroxysms of anger. Although I sure stories about Ultra-Orthodox Jews in Israel attempting to subject other Jews to their rules give Huck the warm fuzzies.

The Israel in their minds has as little to do with the actual country as the real Ronald Reagan has to do with their ideal image of him.

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Jayleia  Jul 26, 2015 • 9:01:43am

re: #177 No Country For Old Haters

The Kzinti were allies with the Federation in the Star Fleet Battles “wargame” (a.k.a. Rules Lawyer Heaven), along with the Gorn and the Hydrans

The Lyrans (other felinoid humanoids) were allied with the Klingons and Romulans. I think in the novels, we see the Kzinti as powerful rivals, but not as primary enemies.

Seriously, the sequence of play is like 2 pages of beginning of the turn, 4 pages per movement impulse, and 2 more for the end of the turn.

There’s 32 impulses in a turn…and this is like 8-10 pt fonts with NO page art to break it up.

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Great White Snark  Jul 26, 2015 • 9:02:15am

re: #176 darthstar

Jaw dropping, one-shot (no cuts or edits) video of a mountain bike run…

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Video

“Best use of Drone cam.”

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darthstar  Jul 26, 2015 • 9:02:17am
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PhillyPretzel  Jul 26, 2015 • 9:02:39am

re: #208 JadeHelmCurious

OMG. I wonder what kind of cable you would need for Mozart. /half

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darthstar  Jul 26, 2015 • 9:06:56am

re: #206 Dark_Falcon

Huckabee is just trying to get onto the debate stage by saying something outrageous about Obama. Unfortunately, within your party, saying something outrageous about Obama has become as common as ending a political speech with “and may God bless the United States of America!” - it’s just meaningless white noise.

If Huckabee wants to get on stage, he needs to do what Trump has been doing, and attack another Republican..like Ted Cruz since they share the same base of voters. But he needs to do it soon because there are only two weeks until the debate and we still don’t know which five polls Fox is going to use to decide who gets to play.

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BeachDem  Jul 26, 2015 • 9:07:34am

re: #205 PhillyPretzel

Remind me never to go to GA.

I just remembered writing about this—not sure whatever happened to the bill. There are a whole bunch of other, similarly heinous bills—good site to keep track of what kind of crap is going on is:

National Advocates for Pregnant Women

Issues in the states
advocatesforpregnantwomen.org

Publications
advocatesforpregnantwomen.org

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Great White Snark  Jul 26, 2015 • 9:08:02am

re: #208 JadeHelmCurious

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jul 26, 2015 • 9:09:02am

This morning, I see that my wingnut cousin has liked a post about Louisiana making the Bible the State Book. It asks, “Do You Agree?”

Someone posted, “No, because if we did, California could make the Koran their State Book!”

So I responded: “Koran? Pfft. We’re going for the Necronomicon. Ia, ia! Cthulu phtagn, baby!”

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PhillyPretzel  Jul 26, 2015 • 9:09:21am

re: #216 Great White Snark

lol

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Timothy Watson  Jul 26, 2015 • 9:12:54am

re: #208 JadeHelmCurious

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I’m trying to figure out what speaker wire to use when I want to jam Lady Baby:
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But are the connectors gold plated?

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darthstar  Jul 26, 2015 • 9:13:34am
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Dark_Falcon  Jul 26, 2015 • 9:13:40am

re: #209 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

The Israel in their minds has as little to do with the actual country as the real Ronald Reagan has to do with their ideal image of him.

Very true, and it what happens when you let yourself be shut up in an information bubble.

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sagehen  Jul 26, 2015 • 9:14:13am

re: #189 darthstar

Go eat a bag of soggy dicks, Huck.

Israel has an Army, a Navy, an Air Force, 2 million fully-trained, fully-equipped, combat-ready troops, and a hundred nukes.

Huck and his ilk need to stop acting like they’re helpless fragile flowers who need to be encased in bubble wrap.

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Varek Raith  Jul 26, 2015 • 9:14:48am

Good morning.
…

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jul 26, 2015 • 9:17:47am

re: #222 sagehen

Israel has an Army, a Navy, an Air Force, 2 million fully-trained, full-equipped, combat-ready troops, and a hundred nukes.

Huck and his ilk need to stop acting like they’re helpless fragile flowers who need to be encased in bubble wrap.

The Noncredible Huck?

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Jul 26, 2015 • 9:18:49am

re: #222 sagehen

Israel has an Army, a Navy, an Air Force, 2 million fully-trained, full-equipped, combat-ready troops, and a hundred nukes.

Huck and his ilk need to stop acting like they’re helpless fragile flowers who need to be encased in bubble wrap.

Israel has gays in the military and some of the most liberal abortion laws in the region.

Suck on that, Huck

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Dark_Falcon  Jul 26, 2015 • 9:19:52am

re: #220 darthstar

To be clear, bobby Jindal has worked to expand who may lawfully carry firearms in Louisiana, but he also got legislation passed to ensure that those who are committed to a mental health institution involuntarily are report to the FBI’s NICS section as persons prohibited from buying a firearm.

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PhillyPretzel  Jul 26, 2015 • 9:20:15am

re: #224 Blind Frog Belly White

I could substitute a letter at the beginning of his last name with another but as adults I think we all know which letter I would choose. It is best if I do not go there. /

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Chan Kobun  Jul 26, 2015 • 9:20:38am

To the wingnuts, Israel is the object to be protected in America’s never-ending Escort Mission, not a country with its own military and arsenal.

We.
HATE.
Escort.
Missions.

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Jul 26, 2015 • 9:20:44am

re: #227 PhillyPretzel

I could substitute a letter at the beginning of his last name with another but as adults I think we all know which letter I would choose. It is best if I do not go there. /

Duck?

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#FergusonFireside  Jul 26, 2015 • 9:20:50am

re: #208 JadeHelmCurious

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I’m trying to figure out what speaker wire to use when I want to jam Lady Baby:
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I’m a gonna watch it again!

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darthstar  Jul 26, 2015 • 9:21:57am

re: #226 Dark_Falcon

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To be clear, bobby Jindal has worked to expand who may lawfully carry firearms in Louisiana, but he also got legislation passed to ensure that those who are committed to a mental health institution involuntarily are report to the FBI’s NICS section as persons prohibited from buying a firearm.

He’s a fucking gun-humper who is only trying to sound like he isn’t because his state drew the short straw in the random mass shooting of the week lottery.

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PhillyPretzel  Jul 26, 2015 • 9:22:08am

re: #229 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

cute. That would work but I was thinking of another that borders on the vulgar.

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Jul 26, 2015 • 9:23:40am

re: #232 PhillyPretzel

cute. That would work but I was thinking of another that borders on the vulgar.

aw shucks…

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PhillyPretzel  Jul 26, 2015 • 9:24:40am

re: #233 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

I see we are having some fun this afternoon.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jul 26, 2015 • 9:24:42am

re: #232 PhillyPretzel

cute. That would work but I was thinking of another that borders on the vulgar.

That little change in consonant would make “I Heart Huckabees” a lot funnier.

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sagehen  Jul 26, 2015 • 9:25:47am

re: #225 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

Israel has gays in the military and some of the most liberal abortion laws in the region world.

Suck on that, Huck

Taxpayer-funded abortion on demand.

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PhillyPretzel  Jul 26, 2015 • 9:27:50am

re: #236 sagehen

And they have had a female Prime Minister. Huck would not like that.

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stpaulbear  Jul 26, 2015 • 9:28:32am

re: #226 Dark_Falcon

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To be clear, bobby Jindal has worked to expand who may lawfully carry firearms in Louisiana, but he also got legislation passed to ensure that those who are committed to a mental health institution involuntarily are report to the FBI’s NICS section as persons prohibited from buying a firearm.

Of course he’s not going to supply any funding to make sure any of that happens. Like darthstar says, it’s a false face all for show.

It’s the oldest trick in the GOP book.
See also: Veterans - support for.

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lizardofid  Jul 26, 2015 • 9:32:09am

Excuse me fellow Lizards, I know I seldom contribute, but I have couple of questions I would appreciate your thoughts on.

I’m hearing Trump threaten a 3rd party run if he’s not “treated fairly” by the party. Firm in the knowledge that would assure a sound drubbing for the GOP, this would give him a lot of leverage.

What might he ask for?

If it becomes clear to him he can’t get the nomination, would he be capable of putting his ego aside to take a #2 spot on the ticket?

I don’t know, but I get the creepy feeling this giant a-hole has cards he ain’t showing.

Am I delusional?

Thanks!

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jul 26, 2015 • 9:33:31am

re: #238 stpaulbear

Of course he’s not going to supply any funding to make sure any of that happens. Like darthstar says, it’s a false face all for show.

I had a frustrating discussion with a friend who’s very thoughtful and reasonable, except about guns. He said that there should be laws prohibiting gun ownership by felons and crazy people, but didn’t believe in background checks. He was certain that would work.

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darthstar  Jul 26, 2015 • 9:35:47am
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Eclectic Cyborg  Jul 26, 2015 • 9:36:31am

I know I’m late to this party but what the FUCK?!?!

My wife and I have struggled with infertility and the miscarriage we had a couple of years ago was hard enough on us as it is. I can hardly imagine how much more wrecked we’d feel having to go through all this mess afterwards instead of just dealing with it privately.

And make no mistake. These things should be dealt with PRIVATELY.

Aren’t these people supposed to be fanatically AGAINST “government overreach”. I guess maybe it doesn’t count when they are reaching into a vagina?

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Dark_Falcon  Jul 26, 2015 • 9:36:52am

re: #229 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

Duck?

No, the Robertsons support Jindal. They don’t have anything against Huck, you understand, but they’re backing the guy from their own state.

/I know, I know…

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darthstar  Jul 26, 2015 • 9:38:33am
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Dark_Falcon  Jul 26, 2015 • 9:38:39am

re: #238 stpaulbear

Of course he’s not going to supply any funding to make sure any of that happens. Like darthstar says, it’s a false face all for show.

It’s the oldest trick in the GOP book.
See also: Veterans - support for.

No, I’m pretty sure the legislation provided funding.

BBL

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Teukka  Jul 26, 2015 • 9:40:47am

re: #208 JadeHelmCurious

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I’m trying to figure out what speaker wire to use when I want to jam Lady Baby:
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DAFUQ?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 26, 2015 • 9:41:27am

re: #245 Dark_Falcon

No, I’m pretty sure the legislation provided funding.

BBL

hahahahaaaa.

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darthstar  Jul 26, 2015 • 9:46:15am

re: #245 Dark_Falcon

No, I’m pretty sure the legislation provided funding.

BBL

But of course. We’ll change the subject unless there’s another shooting because guns are cool.

Don’t worry…this one doesn’t count.

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Romantic Heretic  Jul 26, 2015 • 9:47:24am

re: #177 No Country For Old Haters

Based on the comments under this video, it looks like the Kzinti were almost regular Star Trek villains.

[Embedded content]

Video

They were one of the playable races in an old table top game I played decades ago; Star Fleet Battles. From the looks of the video I’d say the makers of it took a lot of inspiration from the game. The Kzinti in the game heavily favoured missiles as weapons.

The video made me think of one of my favourite stories; The Bully and The Crazy Boy. In it humanity had made it to space but not the stars, and an intelligent species similar to cats came to us. The Kalixi had more planets, more resources, were more vicious than us and more intelligent than us.

We won because humans are fucking insane.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jul 26, 2015 • 9:47:40am

re: #246 Teukka

DAFUQ?

There’s a lot of bullshit and wishful thinking in the audiophile arena.

HOWEVER, I can tell you from my own experience, it’s not COMPLETELY bullshit. Before I got married, I spent some time and money (both of which I had then) and put together a nice system. I was still putting the finishing touches on it when we married.

About a year after we moved in together, I swapped out my old heavy-gauge, standard Monster speaker cables for a higher, more expensive grade. My wife came home after I had done the swap. As she got to the top of the steps (we lived in a top floor flat in SF), she paused and said, “What did you do to the stereo? It sounds better!”

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darthstar  Jul 26, 2015 • 9:48:17am
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Teukka  Jul 26, 2015 • 9:50:58am

re: #250 Blind Frog Belly White

There’s a lot of bullshit and wishful thinking in the audiophile arena.

HOWEVER, I can tell you from my own experience, it’s not COMPLETELY bullshit. Before I got married, I spent some time and money (both of which I had then) and put together a nice system. I was still putting the finishing touches on it when we married.

About a year after we moved in together, I swapped out my old heavy-gauge, standard Monster speaker cables for a higher, more expensive grade. My wife came home after I had done the swap. As she got to the top of the steps (we lived in a top floor flat in SF), she paused and said, “What did you do to the stereo? It sounds better!”

I use 0.75mm2 mains cable for speakers of less power than 150W, no distinquishable difference from monster cable which costs more than an order of magnitude more.
For more beefier setups, I’d simply scale the area of the cable up.

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Timothy Watson  Jul 26, 2015 • 9:54:16am

Needed 5 index cards at Staples, ended up buying a pack of 500.

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JadeHelmCurious  Jul 26, 2015 • 9:55:57am

Imani Gandi @AngryBlackLady getting very real, white progs should hear it:

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The Ghost of a Flea  Jul 26, 2015 • 9:56:41am

re: #239 lizardofid

Excuse me fellow Lizards, I know I seldom contribute, but I have couple of questions I would appreciate your thoughts on.

I’m hearing Trump threaten a 3rd party run if he’s not “treated fairly” by the party. Firm in the knowledge that would assure a sound drubbing for the GOP, this would give him a lot of leverage.

What might he ask for?

If it becomes clear to him he can’t get the nomination, would he be capable of putting his ego aside to take a #2 spot on the ticket?

I don’t know, but I get the creepy feeling this giant a-hole has cards he ain’t showing.

Am I delusional?

Thanks!

Hm.

The Trump campaign is already monetized, in the sense that Trump’s income flow operates via the same methodology as Paris Hilton. Attention translates into appearances and eyes on his shows, so therefore cash. This time, his “campaign” is being filmed for a reality TV thing, as opposed to last time, when his “campaign” was an attempt to bolster that stupid show he does. “The Apprentice.”

(…all of which is in keeping with his business model from the get-go. His business acumen is a facade—he’s a good old-fashioned conman bilking his investors—but the money he makes by selling that image is real….)

Rather like with his other ventures, I’m curious about the secondary incomes streams generated from selling his image. Books, appearances fees, speaking fees, et cetera. And atop that, there’s the question of whether his “campaign” is taking in money, and how it’s circulating.

Whether or not there’s an extortionate component in his current presidential run…I think it’s posturing when he pokes the other candidates.

I realize I’ve been using the word “mountebank” a lot to describe the current state of politics, but I think it’s especially appropriate with regard to Trump. His MO both as a businessman and a pundit is to bluff about his competency, then fleece anyone that believes him. I have a hard time seeing the political phase of his bluster as differentiable from past iterations: a con-job.

On the other hand, though…bullshit long enough and you begin to imagine you’re a bull.

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stpaulbear  Jul 26, 2015 • 9:57:21am

re: #253 Timothy Watson

If they would have had a packet of 50, it would probably have cost half of what you paid for 500.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 26, 2015 • 10:05:55am
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Timothy Watson  Jul 26, 2015 • 10:09:05am

re: #257 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Unpossible! Truman was a Democrat!

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#FergusonFireside  Jul 26, 2015 • 10:10:49am

re: #257 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Posse bent on lynching…

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JadeHelmCurious  Jul 26, 2015 • 10:12:25am

re: #252 Teukka

Gauge and impedance matters more than anything else. And fairy dust crystals. And these.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 26, 2015 • 10:12:36am

re: #259 #FergusonFireside

Posse bent on lynching…

So many gobsmacking headlines on that front page.

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lizardofid  Jul 26, 2015 • 10:14:00am

re: #255 The Ghost of the Abomination Colors

Thank you Ghost

It’s profitable game for Trump, regardless of outcome I guess. He may actually prefer four years of reality ratings.

I like what you say about the bullshitter thinking himself a bull however, and will watch with interest, to see how that plays out with this particular bullshitter.

Thanks again

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Belafon  Jul 26, 2015 • 10:18:32am

re: #258 Timothy Watson

I’m surprised no one’s tried “Truman wouldn’t be a Democrat today.”

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Timothy Watson  Jul 26, 2015 • 10:19:54am

re: #264 Varek Raith

Ken Cuccinelli smacked down on CNN for suggesting ‘Black Lives Matter’ is insult to white people
Why won’t he go away???

He’s a bad penny.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 26, 2015 • 10:20:06am

Noticing the headline: “Aubrey Williams Bids Dixie Demos Farewell: ‘Get Out And Stay Out’

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blueraven  Jul 26, 2015 • 10:22:21am

This may have already been posted, but seriously?
The republicans seem to be in a contest about who has lost their minds the most over the Iran deal.

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Timothy Watson  Jul 26, 2015 • 10:24:32am

re: #267 blueraven

This may have already been posted, but seriously?
The republicans seem to be in a contest about who has lost their minds the most over the Iran deal.

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Remember folks, the race card is the most evilest thing ever, but the anti-Semite card is ah-okay.

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The Ghost of a Flea  Jul 26, 2015 • 10:26:24am

re: #262 lizardofid

Thank you Ghost

It’s profitable game for Trump, regardless of outcome I guess. He may actually prefer four years of reality ratings.

I like what you say about the bullshitter thinking himself a bull however, and will watch with interest, to see how that plays out with this particular bullshitter.

Thanks again

When I was very little, Trump parking his hideous garish yacht, the “Trump Princess” —and yes, it was decorated in gold—in Hong Kong harbor, apparently as part of a plan to keep assets out of his divorce negotiations. Every day, his uniformed staff would de-board as a bloc and eat their meals at McDonald’s.

They made it very inconvenient for me to get my Happy Meal. Which at the time was especially important, since McDonald’s in Hong Kong was a kind of ritualized way of recovering after weeks of burning hot South Indian food that I could barely taste, let alone appreciate.

So basically…I never liked that guy.

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Shiplord Kirel  Jul 26, 2015 • 10:28:25am

re: #266 Backwoods_Sleuth

Noticing the headline: “Aubrey Williams Bids Dixie Demos Farewell: ‘Get Out And Stay Out’

Aubrey Willis Williams, a poor white boy from Alabama who rejected racism and became a social worker and a major civil rights activist. He headed the National Youth Administration under FDR. He was a major influence on then 26 year old Lyndon Johnson, who served as the agency’s Texas director.
His bio is well worth reading.

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PhillyPretzel  Jul 26, 2015 • 10:36:13am

re: #267 blueraven

They have lost their minds.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jul 26, 2015 • 10:37:19am

re: #271 PhillyPretzel

They have lost their minds.

When the leader of the GOP pack is a carnival barker, the only way to get attention is hyperbole.

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Nyet  Jul 26, 2015 • 10:39:18am

Pillars of Eternity is pretty sweet, but why the fuck couldn’t they implement the loading times that don’t last the fucking eternity?

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lizardofid  Jul 26, 2015 • 10:39:23am

re: #269 The Ghost of the Abomination Colors

Fascinating story and perspective Ghost, I hope the crew didn’t collect all the Sher Kahn windups as well! ;)

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Nyet  Jul 26, 2015 • 10:42:42am

…

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Jul 26, 2015 • 10:43:01am

re: #255 The Ghost of the Abomination Colors

I realize I’ve been using the word “mountebank” a lot to describe the current state of politics…

I thought that’s where Dudley Do-Right keeps his money.

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Jul 26, 2015 • 10:43:47am

re: #259 #FergusonFireside

Posse bent on lynching…

Obviously Democrats

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lizardofid  Jul 26, 2015 • 10:44:05am

re: #276 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

I thought that’s where Dudley Do-Right keeps his money.

I had to google it

GREAT word though!

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 26, 2015 • 10:44:53am

re: #275 Nyet

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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Jul 26, 2015 • 10:45:31am

re: #257 Backwoods_Sleuth

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how soon before truman is declared a republican?

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Nyet  Jul 26, 2015 • 10:45:32am

re: #279 Backwoods_Sleuth

Myaucat 19 hours ago
wow.. i’m surprised they didn’t shoot it. that is one lucky owl. of course… who knows what happened AFTER the camera was shut off.
Reply * 29


Judith Shipstad 18 hours ago
+Myaucat The police report claimed the owl attacked first.
Reply * 18


Raul Gjijalva 17 hours ago
+Judith Shipstad … It was reaching for it’s waistband!
Reply * 8

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Nyet  Jul 26, 2015 • 10:48:40am

Invasion of the deer body snatchers!

…

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Jayleia  Jul 26, 2015 • 10:49:23am

re: #239 lizardofid

I think you’d be right, if you were talking about almost anyone else in the universe besides Trump.

But we’re talking about a Yahoo News comment section with an epically bad combover.

His mouth will write checks his ass can’t cash, its what he is.

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jaunte  Jul 26, 2015 • 10:52:10am

re: #257 Backwoods_Sleuth

And an attempted lynching story on the same day.
“Rumor Negroes Would Resist Scatters Mob.”

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JadeHelmCurious  Jul 26, 2015 • 10:54:49am
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The Ghost of a Flea  Jul 26, 2015 • 10:54:54am

re: #274 lizardofid

Fascinating story and perspective Ghost, I hope the crew didn’t collect all the Sher Kahn windups as well! ;)

It’s actually something I’d forgotten about until this year. Then I got on the phone with my sibling and they mentioned it.

I’m pretty sure if I dig around at my parents’ house, I’d find a copy of “Art of the Deal” and “Trump: the Game.” So my pique is more of a projection backwards (because its funny). At the time, he was a big deal…and I come from a family that appreciates a good hustle.

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lizardofid  Jul 26, 2015 • 10:55:46am

re: #283 Jayleia

I think you’d be right, if you were talking about almost anyone else in the universe besides Trump.

But we’re talking about a Yahoo News comment section with an epically bad combover.

His mouth will write checks his ass can’t cash, its what he is.

I’m sure your right.

Like the old folks said “He was born that way and cain’t change”

I guess he just seems so over the top to me, i feel I must be missing something.

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Teukka  Jul 26, 2015 • 10:59:09am

re: #260 JadeHelmCurious

Gauge and impedance matters more than anything else. And fairy dust crystals. And these.

Gauge (AWG) and cross-sectional area are proportional, but impedance is not that big of an issue at those low frequencies unless you have really long runs. Things to avoid are solid core conductors (skin effect) and cable designs which are pronouncedly reactive (i.e. excessively capacitive or inductive).

Like the Jazz cable is basically a twisted pair, which is capacitive at a rate proportional to the length, which at some point will lead to an uneven frequency and phase response.

My rule of thumb is at least 0.005 mm2/W for multi-stranded cable, at least 0.01 mm2/W if you’re stuck with solid core cable.

Make sure connectors are done by the book, I personally do well-crimped and soldered (with 60/40 Pb solder, not RoHS stuff unless you really know your shit) quality connectors, avoid long runs, and treat the cables with the same care you would treat mains cables.

Also, consider making your own cables for a specific application/location and performing semi-regular checkups of connectors and cabling. If you need to do long runs, clamp-on ferrites on the amplifier end of the cable can help alleviate oscillation tendencies and interference pickup in the amp.

I suspect it shows I’m formally educated in electronics?

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Kid A  Jul 26, 2015 • 10:59:41am

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PhillyPretzel  Jul 26, 2015 • 11:01:49am

re: #288 Teukka

Yes it does and thanks for the tips.

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Varek Raith  Jul 26, 2015 • 11:01:56am

re: #289 Kid A

[Embedded image]

-_-

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Nyet  Jul 26, 2015 • 11:03:35am
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Teukka  Jul 26, 2015 • 11:06:48am

re: #290 PhillyPretzel

Yes it does and thanks for the tips.

You’re welcome :3

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Jenner7  Jul 26, 2015 • 11:14:42am
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Nyet  Jul 26, 2015 • 11:17:28am

Who decided that McCain is a war hero in the first place?
Having been tortured as a POW doesn’t make one a hero.

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JadeHelmCurious  Jul 26, 2015 • 11:18:40am

re: #288 Teukka

Things to avoid are solid core conductors (skin effect) and cable designs which are pronouncedly reactive (i.e. excessively capacitive or inductive).

I suspect it shows I’m formally educated in electronics?

Does skin effect happen in frequencies in the human audible spectrum?

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stpaulbear  Jul 26, 2015 • 11:19:50am

Just posted over at Balloon Juice. Story via WaPo

A woman in Charleston, w.va, may have saved her own life and the lives of many other women, as well, when she shot and killed an alleged attacker in her home last week.

Neal Falls showed up at the woman’s home on July 18 after answering an escort ad she had placed on Backpage . com, according to police. He showed up with a “kill list,” multiple pairs of handcuffs and a Subaru full of weapons and tools, including a shovel, knives, a bulletproof vest, a machete, bleach, trash bags, sledgehammers and axes, according to Fox affiliate KPTV.

In Falls’s pocket, police said, was a list of names of potential future victims, all of whom are sex workers who advertised on Backpage, according to the Daily Dot.

Now investigators are trying to determine whether Falls, 45, was responsible for a string of slayings targeting sex workers in Ohio and Nevada, the station reported.

From the moment Falls showed up at the home of his latest alleged victim, a sex worker, he turned violent, the victim — who asked not to be identified — told KPTV.

“I knew he was there to kill me,” she said. “I could tell that he had already done something because he said that he was going to prison for a long time. And that’s when I knew he was gonna kill me.”

The woman told the station that Falls, who was from Springfield, Ore., pulled a gun on her and began strangling her. She said she had a split second in which to take control of the situation.

“When he strangled me he just wouldn’t let me get any air,” she said. ” I grabbed my rake and when he laid the gun down to get the rake out of my hands, I shot him. I just grabbed the gun and shot behind me.”

Edit: I didn’t create the links within the story and they don’t exist as links at the original story either. Weird. I have no idea where they came from. I added some spaces to get rid of the link to Backpage

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Jul 26, 2015 • 11:20:21am

re: #295 Nyet

Who decided that McCain is a war hero in the first place?
Having been tortured as a POW doesn’t make one a hero.

It is one aspect of McCain’s record I consider to be beyond the pale of criticism. I found it tasteless when the GOP attacked Kerry’s war record, but to hear the GOP going after McCain is just brain boggling.

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goddamnedfrank  Jul 26, 2015 • 11:22:09am

re: #295 Nyet

Who decided that McCain is a war hero in the first place?
Having been tortured as a POW doesn’t make one a hero.

He refused an early release that was offered to him because he was an admiral’s son, putting him in the position to endure more torture. I don’t even like McCain but it’s hard to argue that wasn’t a heroic act.

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Nyet  Jul 26, 2015 • 11:22:58am

re: #298 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

It is one aspect of McCain’s record I consider to be beyond the pale of criticism. I found it tasteless when the GOP attacked Kerry’s war record, but to hear the GOP going after McCain is just brain boggling.

Sure, the way he behaved while a POW shouldn’t be criticized - most of us would have done the same to avoid further torture. Because we are not heroes. And that’s kinda the point…

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sagehen  Jul 26, 2015 • 11:24:44am

re: #269 The Ghost of the Abomination Colors

They made it very inconvenient for me to get my Happy Meal. Which at the time was especially important, since McDonald’s in Hong Kong was a kind of ritualized way of recovering after weeks of burning hot South Indian food that I could barely taste, let alone appreciate.

So basically…I never liked that guy.

I live on the Upper West Side of Manhattan, and I used to have an awesome panoramic view of the Hudson River. I moved my dining table near the windows so every evening, I could watch the sun set over the river.

Then he bought the railyards parcel, built a bunch of very tall things right immediately to my west. Now, my only view of the river is if I stick my head out the window and lean over, I can see a streetwidth-worth between buildings.

That’s why I hate him too.

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Jayleia  Jul 26, 2015 • 11:25:04am

re: #299 goddamnedfrank

I can be a bit of an asshole about how many planes he’s damaged, or how he got and kept that pilot certification. And I am definitely an asshole about what he’s done as a Senator.

But the time he spent as a POW is not among those things.

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goddamnedfrank  Jul 26, 2015 • 11:28:41am

re: #300 Nyet

Sure, the way he behaved while a POW shouldn’t be criticized - most of us would have done the same to avoid further torture. Because we are not heroes. And that’s kinda the point…

How many of us would have endured years more captivity and torture instead of taking an offer of early release? Nobody would have blamed him if he’d taken it, even though it was still against the first captured first released rule. He said no thanks.

That’s actually the point.

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JadeHelmCurious  Jul 26, 2015 • 11:28:46am

The GOP giving a pass on Trump’s outright trolling of McCain is eating their own. I didn’t know there are conspiracy nuts who blamed the Forrestal Fire on McCain: they got all fired up after Trump’s comments.

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Dr Lizardo  Jul 26, 2015 • 11:29:20am

re: #297 stpaulbear

Wow - she may have just taken out the Chillicothe serial killer.

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Decatur Deb  Jul 26, 2015 • 11:30:53am

.re: #300 Nyet

Sure, the way he behaved while a POW shouldn’t be criticized - most of us would have done the same to avoid further torture. Because we are not heroes. And that’s kinda the point…

If the NVA had me for a couple years I’d have made a musical comedy with Uncle Ho and Chou-en-Lai.

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stpaulbear  Jul 26, 2015 • 11:31:15am

re: #305 Dr Lizardo

Wow - she may have just taken out the Chillicothe serial killer.

I hope so. Will she be called a hero?

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HappyWarrior  Jul 26, 2015 • 11:31:55am

re: #299 goddamnedfrank

He refused an early release that was offered to him because he was an admiral’s son, putting him in the position to endure more torture. I don’t even like McCain but it’s hard to argue that wasn’t a heroic act.

Right. I have no love lost for McCain but it was heroic of him to do that. I believe Kerry specifically brought that up.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 26, 2015 • 11:34:57am

re: #292 Nyet

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Who is Putin with there, Sergey?

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Nyet  Jul 26, 2015 • 11:35:34am

re: #299 goddamnedfrank

He refused an early release that was offered to him because he was an admiral’s son, putting him in the position to endure more torture. I don’t even like McCain but it’s hard to argue that wasn’t a heroic act.

That was a standing order from Stockdale, so whether this was a purely heroic act can indeed be questioned.

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lizardofid  Jul 26, 2015 • 11:40:20am

Later Lizards,

I hope everyone enjoys the remainder of their weekend.

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Jayleia  Jul 26, 2015 • 11:40:46am

re: #307 stpaulbear

I’ll call her a hero. I’d probably have frozen like Olaf and I’d be dead.

Of course, in Florida, it would depend on if she were white or not.

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Dr Lizardo  Jul 26, 2015 • 11:42:25am

re: #307 stpaulbear

I hope so. Will she be called a hero?

If it turns out the deceased really was the (purported) Chillicothe serial killer, yeah, personally, I’d say she’s a hero.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Jul 26, 2015 • 11:45:40am

Trump will be the GOP nominee. That’s how far gone from reality Republicans have become.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 26, 2015 • 11:46:33am

re: #314 GlutenFreeJesus

Trump will be the GOP nominee. That’s how far gone from reality Republicans have become.

I don’t think he will but I definitely think he’s going to be a legitimate contender. He’ll definitely have some delegates to disrupt the convention with.

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Decatur Deb  Jul 26, 2015 • 11:46:45am

re: #314 GlutenFreeJesus

Trump will be the GOP nominee. That’s how far gone from reality Republicans have become.

I will sacrifice six spotless goats if you speak truly.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Jul 26, 2015 • 11:48:44am

Poor goats. :(

And I count him running independently as being the GOP nominee anyways.

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Decatur Deb  Jul 26, 2015 • 11:50:19am

re: #317 GlutenFreeJesus

Poor goats. :(

Nah. Give ‘em to Heifer International.

heifer.org

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Jayleia  Jul 26, 2015 • 11:50:21am

re: #314 GlutenFreeJesus

All I have to say is this:

Need MOAR!
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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Jul 26, 2015 • 11:50:48am

re: #315 HappyWarrior

I don’t think he will but I definitely think he’s going to be a legitimate contender. He’ll definitely have some delegates to disrupt the convention with.

I think that is his plan. Adelson lavished money on Gingrich’s campaign just to keep Santorum from doing the same last time

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stpaulbear  Jul 26, 2015 • 11:52:39am

re: #313 Dr Lizardo

If it turns out the deceased really was the (purported) Chillicothe serial killer, yeah, personally, I’d say she’s a hero.

It presents a dilemma for the gun humpers. She saved herself from a home intruder by shooting him, but the actual owner of the weapon was shot and killed with his own gun.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 26, 2015 • 11:53:24am

re: #320 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

I think that is his plan. Adelson lavished money on Gingrich’s campaign just to keep Santorum from doing the same last time

Right.

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Decatur Deb  Jul 26, 2015 • 11:56:04am

re: #321 stpaulbear

It presents a dilemma for the gun humpers. She saved herself from a home intruder by shooting him, but the actual owner of the weapon was shot and killed with his own gun.

So all it takes is a rake?

(In passing, who keeps a rake in their bedroom?)

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Jayleia  Jul 26, 2015 • 11:56:36am

re: #321 stpaulbear

A nice change from the good guys being killed in assaults with their own guns.

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stpaulbear  Jul 26, 2015 • 11:57:47am

re: #315 HappyWarrior

I don’t think he will but I definitely think he’s going to be a legitimate contender. He’ll definitely have some delegates to disrupt the convention with.

Won’t it be a riot when they get to the convention and there’s no clear winner and everyone is so radicalized for their candidate that they refuse to compromise.

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Jayleia  Jul 26, 2015 • 11:59:01am

re: #323 Decatur Deb

(In passing, who keeps a rake in their bedroom)

*looks around* Don’t ask.

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Dr Lizardo  Jul 26, 2015 • 12:01:44pm

re: #321 stpaulbear

It presents a dilemma for the gun humpers. She saved herself from a home intruder by shooting him, but the actual owner of the weapon was shot and killed with his own gun.

What gets me is this quote from the WaPo article:

Neal Falls showed up at the woman’s home on July 18 after answering an escort ad she had placed on Backpage, according to police. He showed up with a “kill list,” multiple pairs of handcuffs and a Subaru full of weapons and tools, including a shovel, knives, a bulletproof vest, a machete, bleach, trash bags, sledgehammers and axes, according to Fox affiliate KPTV.

In Falls’s pocket, police said, was a list of names of potential future victims, all of whom are sex workers who advertised on Backpage, according to the Daily Dot.

That’s a kill kit - I’d bet he’d done it before.

Edited to remove Backpage autolink. Oops.

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stpaulbear  Jul 26, 2015 • 12:01:48pm

re: #323 Decatur Deb

So all it takes is a rake?

(In passing, who keeps a rake in their bedroom?)

A good woman with a rake.

I got the feeling from reading the story that he started to attack her as soon as he entered the house. She shot him in her kitchen. Maybe there was a back porch.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 26, 2015 • 12:03:08pm

re: #325 stpaulbear

Won’t it be a riot when they get to the convention and there’s no clear winner and everyone is so radicallized for their candidate that they refuse to compromise.

It’s going to be fun to watch.

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Dr Lizardo  Jul 26, 2015 • 12:04:25pm

re: #329 HappyWarrior

It’s going to be fun to watch.

We’d better invent an FTL drive lickety-split - we’ll need it to conquer other galaxies and obtain their popcorn, because there simply won’t be enough on our humble planet.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 26, 2015 • 12:07:41pm

re: #330 Dr Lizardo

We’d better invent an FTL drive lickety-split - we’ll need it to conquer other galaxies and obtain their popcorn, because there simply won’t be enough on our humble planet.

It’s a good thing I don’t eat much popcorn but damn it is just going to be crazily entertaining. This is everything the establishment wanted to avoid after 2012 and it’s going to be worse.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jul 26, 2015 • 12:25:51pm

re: #323 Decatur Deb

So all it takes is a rake?

(In passing, who keeps a rake in their bedroom?)

People who fear Sideshow Bob.

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Decatur Deb  Jul 26, 2015 • 12:27:32pm

re: #332 Blind Frog Belly White

People who fear Sideshow Bob.

Had to look him up.

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ObserverArt  Jul 26, 2015 • 1:10:03pm

re: #297 stpaulbear

Just posted over at Balloon Juice. Story via WaPo

Edit: I didn’t create the links within the story and they don’t exist as links at the original story either. Weird. I have no idea where they came from. I added some spaces to get rid of the link to Backpage

Thanks for that story. That has been a big story in Ohio. I think there was some speculation he may have even been in Columbus. Gonna have to dig for more (unless there are some links coming up in this thread).

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Eric The Fruit Bat  Jul 26, 2015 • 1:17:39pm

re: #179 Backwoods_Sleuth

Why is it that it’s MEN telling women what they cannot have access to?

This should be the response back to those men.

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CleverToad  Jul 26, 2015 • 1:57:21pm

re: #323 Decatur Deb

Could be wrong here, since I’m going on 40-year-old high school memories, but some of my black classmates called their long-tooth metal hair combs ‘rakes.’ I knew a girl who’d defended herself in a fight with one — drew significant blood from the attacker.

Pedantically yours,
Queen of the dead threads

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Decatur Deb  Jul 26, 2015 • 3:40:32pm

re: #336 CleverToad

Could be wrong here, since I’m going on 40-year-old high school memories, but some of my black classmates called their long-tooth metal hair combs ‘rakes.’ I knew a girl who’d defended herself in a fight with one — drew significant blood from the attacker.

Pedantically yours,
Queen of the dead threads

I was thinking that—the afro rake. It makes sense, if the woman had the right kind of hair.


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Texas County at Center of Border Fight Is Overwhelmed by Migrant Deaths EAGLE PASS, Tex. - The undertaker lighted a cigarette and held it between his latex-gloved fingers as he stood over the bloated body bag lying in the bed of his battered pickup truck. The woman had been fished out ...
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