Planned Parenthood Website Hacked, Conservative Sites Call It a “PR Stunt”

Employee databases posted online by hackers
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Right wing rhetoric is getting more and more insane as people realize the Center for Medical Progress is a gang of dishonest religious fanatics, and their “sting” videos are blatantly deceptive attempts to make perfectly legal activities seem nefarious and sinister. You can always tell the right wing narrative is falling apart when they start concocting conspiracy theories about their targets.

For example, this ludicrous article at The Federalist by wingnut hack Sean Davis: Planned Parenthood “Hacking” Sure Looks Like a PR Stunt.

I’m not even going to dignify this laughable conspiracy theory with a quote, because of course it isn’t true. (Right wing “journalists” cook up these absurd stories because they know their audience simply won’t care whether it’s true or not.)

As a matter of fact, the hackers gave a statement to the Daily Dot, and released databases they stole from the Planned Parenthood website containing names and email addresses of employees: Anti-Abortion Hackers Attack Planned Parenthood, Release Databases, Employee Data.

One of the hackers, who goes by the pseudonym “E,” told the Daily Dot that the cyberattack was politically motivated.

“Trying to mold an atrocious monstrosity into socially acceptable behaviors is repulsive,” said E. “Obviously what [Planned Parenthood] does is a very ominous practice. It’ll be interesting to see what surfaces when [Planned Parenthood] is stripped naked and exposed to the public.”

The FBI and Justice Department are now investigating the Planned Parenthood website breach. But don’t tell Sean Davis of The Federalist; he’ll just say they’re all in on the “PR stunt” together.

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324 comments
1
Mike Lamb  Jul 30, 2015 • 1:51:40pm

“E” is clearly a false flag plant! You fell for the oldest trick in the book!

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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Jul 30, 2015 • 1:52:04pm

free speech does not include the right to cry “fire” in a crowded moron

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 30, 2015 • 1:55:47pm
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Ian G.  Jul 30, 2015 • 1:58:12pm

I hope long prison terms are coming for these people. I also hope that the people whose identities were taken are protected, because I fear violence against them.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jul 30, 2015 • 1:59:01pm

re: #2 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸

free speech does not include the right to cry “fire” in a crowded moron

Neither does the Second Amendment include the right to cry ‘Fire!’ AT a crowd of morons.

As in, ‘Ready! Aim!..”

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De Kolta Chair  Jul 30, 2015 • 2:02:48pm

OT, or is it?

Rob Rogers

Added: I don’t recall the Huckster outright calling for the president’s death, so I wouldn’t be surprised if this is taken down by the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette at some point today, followed by an apology if they hurt Huck’s widdle feewings.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jul 30, 2015 • 2:04:37pm

I think if the Right were somehow prevented from using both the ‘No True Scotsman’ fallacy, and the ‘False Flag’ accusation, they’d end up with a whole lot less to say.

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The Vicious Babushka  Jul 30, 2015 • 2:05:25pm

HURR HURR THEY HACKED THERE OWN WEBSITE BUT LEFT THEY’RE DONATIONS PAGE UP HURR HURR!!!!!!

Well, I wouldn’t touch that donation page for a while. Just sayin’. I’ll just have to get a postal mail address to send my donation.

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team_fukit  Jul 30, 2015 • 2:05:50pm
It’ll be interesting to see what surfaces when [Planned Parenthood] is stripped naked and exposed to the public.

Wow, they slut-shame much?

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wrenchwench  Jul 30, 2015 • 2:05:53pm

Right-wingers have only themselves to blame when they take Planned Parenthood and it ‘is stripped naked and exposed to the public’ and find that it is a beloved institution that ends up with positive publicity stemming from what the right-wingers tried to do.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 30, 2015 • 2:06:13pm

*sigh*

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De Kolta Chair  Jul 30, 2015 • 2:08:34pm

re: #11 Backwoods_Sleuth

*sigh*

In that article, attorney Stew Mathews’ claims are awfully vague. Or maybe he’s just coy by nature? /

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ObserverArt  Jul 30, 2015 • 2:09:13pm

re: #11 Backwoods_Sleuth

*sigh*

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Not surprising unfortunately.

But hey…no racism in the country anymore.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 30, 2015 • 2:09:26pm

re: #12 De Kolta Chair

In that article, attorney Stew Mathews’ claims are awfully vague. Or maybe he’s just coy by nature?

Mathews is not seeing the same thing in that video that every sane person saw.

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Kragar  Jul 30, 2015 • 2:09:49pm

Pro-lifer scum are convinced the ends justify the means, while ignoring the fact their ends are monumentally fucked up.

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The Vicious Babushka  Jul 30, 2015 • 2:10:06pm

The wingnuts have created a hashtag #anotherboy but it has nothing to do with unarmed Black teens killed by police because HURR HURR THEY WERE THUGS!!!!!

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 30, 2015 • 2:11:00pm

re: #16 The Vicious Babushka

The wingnuts have created a hashtag #anotherboy but it has nothing to do with unarmed Black teens killed by police because HURR HURR THEY WERE THUGS!!!!!

also, #anothergirl would just be another future slut.

18
Bubblehead II  Jul 30, 2015 • 2:14:43pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 30, 2015 • 2:15:28pm
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Ian G.  Jul 30, 2015 • 2:16:34pm

re: #19 Backwoods_Sleuth

Since when have facts ever mattered to wingnuts?

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ObserverArt  Jul 30, 2015 • 2:17:07pm

re: #14 Backwoods_Sleuth

Mathews is not seeing the same thing in that video that every sane person saw.

Trying to get those donations up so his defense lawyering bills will be paid.

///

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No Country For Old Haters  Jul 30, 2015 • 2:17:24pm
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Blind Frog Belly White  Jul 30, 2015 • 2:18:48pm

re: #14 Backwoods_Sleuth

Mathews is not seeing the same thing in that video that every sane person saw.

“It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends upon his not understanding it.” - Upton Sinclair

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wrenchwench  Jul 30, 2015 • 2:18:55pm

re: #19 Backwoods_Sleuth

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The same could be said about McDonald’s or any other businesses that ‘do not participate in tissue-donation programs’.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 30, 2015 • 2:20:14pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 30, 2015 • 2:21:04pm

re: #24 wrenchwench

The same could be said about McDonald’s or any other businesses that ‘do not participate in tissue-donation programs’.

Well, except when someone gets too close to the slicer or power tools…

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b_sharp  Jul 30, 2015 • 2:21:08pm

re: #25 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Trump went for a dip in the ocean there.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jul 30, 2015 • 2:22:23pm

re: #26 Backwoods_Sleuth

Well, except when someone gets too close to the slicer or power tools…

Too much chef in the Chef Salad.

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wrenchwench  Jul 30, 2015 • 2:22:25pm

re: #23 Blind Frog Belly White

“It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends upon his not understanding it.” - Upton Sinclair

We could use another Upton Sinclair about now.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 30, 2015 • 2:22:37pm

Meanwhile in Kentucky, the wretched soap opera known as Kim Davis continues:

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Aunty Entity Dragon  Jul 30, 2015 • 2:22:47pm

re: #11 Backwoods_Sleuth

*sigh*

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Bloodthirsty tribalism at its finest.

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Ace-o-aces  Jul 30, 2015 • 2:22:53pm
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Blind Frog Belly White  Jul 30, 2015 • 2:24:05pm

re: #27 b_sharp

Trump went for a dip in the ocean there.

If he did, HE’D be a dip in the ocean.

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Smith25's Liberal Thighs  Jul 30, 2015 • 2:27:08pm

re: #30 Backwoods_Sleuth

Meanwhile in Kentucky, the wretched soap opera known as Kim Davis continues:

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The idiots are sure plentiful in the Bluegrass…

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 30, 2015 • 2:27:39pm

good freaking grief…

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b_sharp  Jul 30, 2015 • 2:28:02pm

re: #33 Blind Frog Belly White

If he did, HE’D be a dip in the ocean.

Greasy is as greasy does.

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iossarian  Jul 30, 2015 • 2:29:36pm

re: #35 Backwoods_Sleuth

good freaking grief…

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Jim Crow much?

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De Kolta Chair  Jul 30, 2015 • 2:29:44pm

LMAO — From a New York Magazine “Daily Intelligencer” piece about infighting in the Paul campaign, No White House for You, Rand Paul:

The senator was mingling with the crowd while John Baeza, a 280-pound retired NYPD detective and Paul family loyalist, stood behind him and provided security. [Campaign manager Chip] Englander barged over, convinced that the ex-cop was getting in the way of supporters eager to snap pictures with the senator.

“What the fuck, Baeza?” Englander said, grabbing his shoulder. “Why are you always getting in our fucking shot?”

“Don’t ever put your hands on me again,” the bodyguard fired back.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 30, 2015 • 2:29:50pm

re: #35 Backwoods_Sleuth

good freaking grief…

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Point of reference about eastern Kentucky topography.
I live about 20 miles as the crow flies from Morehead in Rowan County.
Drive time is an hour and 30 minutes on a good day.
On mostly badly engineered roads shared with eejit drivers.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 30, 2015 • 2:31:39pm

re: #37 iossarian

Jim Crow much?

especially when that county’s taxpayers are funding that courthouse and that clerk’s office and that clerk’s salary.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 30, 2015 • 2:37:05pm
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Aunty Entity Dragon  Jul 30, 2015 • 2:37:10pm

Meanwhile….

Perpetual moral scold and apparent credulous village idiot Rod “Benedict Option(!!!!)” Dreher is bemoaning our materialistic post Enlightenment culture and our lack of ability to see faeries, sprites, feys, gnomes and other naturalistic spirits and then go running through the oak groves in hallucinogenic wonder…

I crap you negative.

He once told me that as a very small child he had assumed that everyone was aware of the numinous presences that he saw everywhere, on a nearly daily basis. To him, a small anthropine figure dancing atop an open flower or a radiant angel standing beside a church door was as ordinary a sight as, well, an open flower or a church door. It was only when he was about seven, he said, after years of his parents’ anxiously admonishing him not to make up tales and to embarrass them with his nonsense, that he began to grasp that the world he saw about him was qualitatively different from that of most other persons; and when he was about twelve he began to appreciate how much more interesting and delightful than theirs his reality was.

Rod’s take on the schizophrenic delusions of this person?

Read the whole thing. It’s the best short essay I’ve read in ages, and the ending — it may reduce you to tears- will stay with you, because if, like me, you’re a person of Tolkienish tastes, it exemplifies a civilizational tragedy.

This essay explains succinctly why I will always have more in common with my pagan friend Franklin Evans than I do with modernist Christians — even conservative ones.

Rod needs to cut down on the ‘shroom laced hand crafted IPA beer.

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The Vicious Babushka  Jul 30, 2015 • 2:39:37pm

Charles gets a hat tip here:

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 30, 2015 • 2:39:40pm

OT, but here’s Alice’s LA Times op-ed:

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ObserverArt  Jul 30, 2015 • 2:42:07pm

re: #42 Aunty Entity Dragon

Rod needs to cut down on the ‘shroom laced hand crafted IPA beer.

You mean there is ‘shroom laced hand crafted IPA beer?

Dang!

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 30, 2015 • 2:42:24pm

re: #44 Backwoods_Sleuth

OT, but here’s Alice’s LA Times op-ed:

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Alice is currently fielding questions and discussing the issue (including trans people and others) on twitter.

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Teukka  Jul 30, 2015 • 2:43:04pm

OT. Comic relief.
ACTUAL clown enters race as republican candidate, polling well.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 30, 2015 • 2:44:12pm

re: #47 Teukka

OT. Comic relief.
ACTUAL clown enters race as republican candidate, polling well.

Satire site, but still funny.

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De Kolta Chair  Jul 30, 2015 • 2:44:23pm

re: #42 Aunty Entity Dragon

Rod needs to cut down on the ‘shroom laced hand crafted IPA beer.

Needz moar Tom Bombadil.

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Bubblehead II  Jul 30, 2015 • 2:44:35pm

re: #41 Backwoods_Sleuth

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LoL. Another, better title. Donald Trump eating the GOPs lunch.

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Jay C  Jul 30, 2015 • 2:48:09pm

Another terrorist attack in Jerusalem:

Ultra-Orthodox man stabs six at Jerusalem Gay Pride Parade

Bad enough, but this isn’t the first time, Yishai Shlissel was just released from prison after serving ten years for committing the same attack in 2005.

I hear Shlissel is getting mucho praise for his act over at Breitbart: I won’t make myself sick by checking in myself….
(h/t Balloon Juice)

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Charles Johnson  Jul 30, 2015 • 2:51:00pm

re: #51 Jay C

Another terrorist attack in Jerusalem:

Ultra-Orthodox man stabs six at Jerusalem Gay Pride Parade

Bad enough, but this isn’t the first time, Yishai Shlissel was just released from prison after serving ten years for committing the same attack in 2005.

I hear Shlissel is getting mucho praise for his act over at Breitbart: I won’t make myself sick by checking in myself….
(h/t Balloon Juice)

I just looked at that Breitbart thread, and it’s absolutely repulsive. A lot of them are openly applauding the attacker. Others are making jokes about it. These people are just mentally ill.

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Teukka  Jul 30, 2015 • 2:51:11pm

re: #51 Jay C

Another terrorist attack in Jerusalem:

Ultra-Orthodox man stabs six at Jerusalem Gay Pride Parade

Bad enough, but this isn’t the first time, Yishai Shlissel was just released from prison after serving ten years for committing the same attack in 2005.

I hear Shlissel is getting mucho praise for his act over at Breitbart: I won’t make myself sick by checking in myself….
(h/t Balloon Juice)

I’m in a chat frequented by wingnuts. They are already showing great confusion about the story.
Like Breitbart apparently is running with the story that it was gay men attacked, while the picture clearly shows a woman in the process of being stabbed in the back. “Old story, I don’t think they’ve gotten around to updating it yet.”
Another one thinks it’s a fake story from start to finish, crisis actors etc.
A third doesn’t believe the knife even touched the woman…

*smfh*

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Jenner7  Jul 30, 2015 • 2:52:01pm

Dude on CNN saying Sam Dubose accelerated before officer fired the shot. Um, nope. He has to have one hell of a shot to do such a thing.

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KGxvi  Jul 30, 2015 • 2:52:54pm

re: #43 The Vicious Babushka

The pro-life/anti-choice thing is fairly new among libertarians. I think it started when conservatives started to bail on the GOP in the late aughts and started calling themselves “libertarians”. When I was more attuned to the conservative and libertarian movements the libertarian position was either pro-choice or at the most “I’m don’t like it but it’s not my business.” Of course, most were generally opposed to the government funding pretty much anything - so they’d probably be on board with the “defund” angle.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jul 30, 2015 • 2:53:13pm

re: #44 Backwoods_Sleuth

OT, but here’s Alice’s LA Times op-ed:

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Interesting. On the one hand there’s the clear evidence in many sports and over decades of recordkeeping that men have a performance advantage over women, and thus we have separate categories for men and women in nearly all sports.

It makes perfect sense.

On the other hand it is clear that what constitutes a woman or a man is not an Either/Or thing, and that while, for example Dutee Chand may have an advantage in one area due to higher natural testosterone levels, other athletes have other advantages that are also natural. To be blunt, you don’t get to be a world class athlete without being naturally outside the norm. So to penalize Chand for a natural advantage while not penalizing others with their own natural advantages is unfair.

That also makes perfect sense.

So, what do you do? How do you determine what constitutes Male and Female for the purpose of sporting competition?

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iossarian  Jul 30, 2015 • 2:53:17pm

re: #49 De Kolta Chair

Needz moar Tom Bombadil.

Ha. I was just re-reading that part of LOTR yesterday. Funny how tastes change - I used to think it was a bit random but now I really like it.

But, I don’t see fairies standing on oven hot plates.

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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Jul 30, 2015 • 2:54:56pm

re: #55 KGxvi

The pro-life/anti-choice thing is fairly new among libertarians. I think it started when conservatives started to bail on the GOP in the late aughts and started calling themselves “libertarians”. When I was more attuned to the conservative and libertarian movements the libertarian position was either pro-choice or at the most “I’m don’t like it but it’s not my business.” Of course, most were generally opposed to the government funding pretty much anything - so they’d probably be on board with the “defund” angle.

im pretty sure “real” libertarians resent wingnuts coming in and taking over their name

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Aunty Entity Dragon  Jul 30, 2015 • 2:55:00pm

re: #57 iossarian

Ha. I was just re-reading that part of LOTR yesterday. Funny how tastes change - I used to think it was a bit random but now I really like it.

But, I don’t see fairies standing on oven hot plates.

Running bare
without a care
let me share
my Benedict lifestyle.

Rod has fucking flipped.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 30, 2015 • 2:55:58pm

re: #54 Jenner7

Dude on CNN saying Sam Dubose accelerated before officer fired the shot. Um, nope. He has to have one hell of a shot to do such a thing.

Tensing fired the very second that Dubose turned the ignition key.

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Aunty Entity Dragon  Jul 30, 2015 • 2:56:46pm

re: #52 Charles Johnson

I just looked at that Breitbart thread, and it’s absolutely repulsive. A lot of them are openly applauding the attacker. Others are making jokes about it. These people are just mentally ill.

The same people who were aghast at “bully” Zoey Tur are applauding an attempt at mass murder of GLBT people.

They aren’t sick. They’re evil.

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Great White Snark  Jul 30, 2015 • 2:57:11pm

re: #25 Backwoods_Sleuth

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They do know that oil seeps out naturally there right? Especially in El Nino warmed waters?

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ObserverArt  Jul 30, 2015 • 2:57:16pm

re: #52 Charles Johnson

I just looked at that Breitbart thread, and it’s absolutely repulsive. A lot of them are openly applauding the attacker. Others are making jokes about it. These people are just mentally ill.

Doesn’t that give them an excuse?

They are repulsive humans full of hate. Evil.

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darthstar  Jul 30, 2015 • 2:58:06pm
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Aunty Entity Dragon  Jul 30, 2015 • 2:59:17pm

re: #64 darthstar

Holy shit.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 30, 2015 • 2:59:18pm

re: #56 Blind Frog Belly White

So, what do you do? How do you determine what constitutes Male and Female for the purpose of sporting competition?

Vonnegut took the idea to the extreme in Harrison Bergeron.

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Decatur Deb  Jul 30, 2015 • 2:59:32pm

A note from a less forgiving time:

Sarah Palin E-mail Hacker Sentenced to 1 Year in Custody
wired.com

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EPR-radar  Jul 30, 2015 • 2:59:49pm

re: #52 Charles Johnson

I just looked at that Breitbart thread, and it’s absolutely repulsive. A lot of them are openly applauding the attacker. Others are making jokes about it. These people are just mentally ill.

Of course it is. So-con RWNJs in the US mostly don’t advocate for the extermination of non-straight people in the US for only one reason —- it might scare off the moderate enablers of the GOP agenda.

However, that leaves them free to cheer for and advocate extermination elsewhere in the world, which they do. E.g. the kill the gays bill in Uganda.

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Charles Johnson  Jul 30, 2015 • 2:59:59pm

A commenter at The Federalist shows exactly how important honesty is to the right:

If there is no substance whatsoever to the arguments against Planned Parenthood (on technical grounds), but PP ends up being synonymous with infanticide and murder, I will be satisfied. They are inherently immoral, and I’m not going to split hairs over how exactly we go about destroying them.

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KGxvi  Jul 30, 2015 • 3:02:21pm

re: #58 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸

Oh, believe me, we do. We’re just not nearly organized enough to do anything about it. It’s funny, though, I remember somewhere around eight or nine years ago having a conversation with a friend and saying “I was a center-right libertarian and woke up one day and realized I’d become a center-left libertarian without really changing any of my positions.” The only real difference is that I trust consolidated power in the private sector much less than I trust consolidated power in the government.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jul 30, 2015 • 3:03:03pm

re: #60 Backwoods_Sleuth

Tensing fired the very second that Dubose turned the ignition key.

Then lied about it.

BTW, I saw something the other day about the toll in deaths, injuries, and property damage from High Speed Chases. Lots of bystanders injured and killed, and most of the chases are related to nonviolent offenses. So, we’re killing and injuring men, women and children to try and catch people who hadn’t/wouldn’t kill or injure anyone.

WAY too much ego and ‘Respect Mah Authoritah!’ in law enforcement these days. Tensing shoots Dubose because he started his car. Sandra Bland ends up dead because she was insufficiently obsequious. Eric Garner choked to death for similar reasons, and lots of innocent bystanders killed for similar reasons.

There has to be some way to screen police officer candidates better, to train them better, and to hold them to a higher standard.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 30, 2015 • 3:03:08pm

re: #64 darthstar

We figured out yesterday that it’s not the dentist’s twitter account. Note the spelling in the twitter handle.

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De Kolta Chair  Jul 30, 2015 • 3:03:20pm

re: #57 iossarian

Ha. I was just re-reading that part of LOTR yesterday. Funny how tastes change - I used to think it was a bit random but now I really like it.

But, I don’t see fairies standing on oven hot plates.

I missed one of my favorite episodes from the novels, Tom B. rescuing the hobbits from the barrow-wight, not being in the first movie, but that would have meant including Tom, so I don’t mind it not being in the movie. ;-)

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jul 30, 2015 • 3:04:12pm

re: #64 darthstar

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Parody account. Note the misspelled twitter username.

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iossarian  Jul 30, 2015 • 3:04:52pm

re: #73 De Kolta Chair

I missed one of my favorite episodes from the novels, Tom B. rescuing the hobbits from the barrow-wight, in the first movie, but that would have meant including Tom, so I don’t mind it not being there. ;-)

But what about his yellow boots and his jolly laugh, and his tasty female companion?!

Anyway, got to run.

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Kragar  Jul 30, 2015 • 3:05:06pm
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EPR-radar  Jul 30, 2015 • 3:05:14pm

re: #69 Charles Johnson

Well, we do live in a world where truth and sticking to reality might just be a losing cause politically in the US. It’s hard to see a solution when ~25% of the US voters have self-propagandzed themselves into perpetual delusions and another ~25% of the US voters think the Democrats are worse than the delusional idiots in the GOP.

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Jay C  Jul 30, 2015 • 3:05:16pm

re: #53 Teukka

BTW, Haaretz (who should know, they’re a bit closer to the scene than we are) says:

One woman was critically wounded, Magen David Adom emergency services reported, adding that two men were moderately wounded, and another two men and a woman suffered light wounds. Magen David Adom emergency services treated the victims on the scene, and then rushed them to three different hospitals in Jerusalem

.

So Stab Guy obviously was able to overcome his religious objections to “touching” women (do knives count?) - and didn’t play favorites.

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SteveMcGaziBolaGate  Jul 30, 2015 • 3:05:59pm

re: #44 Backwoods_Sleuth

There isn’t a good way to handle this. However, there does has to be some standard or definition of female. I had lots of discussions like this when Michelle Wie tried to play on the PGA Tour, and some idiots wanted men to be able to play on the LPGA Tour. The reason that crossing over is a one way street is that the ladies on the LPGA Tour could not hope to compete against the men. The same thing would happen if you put men in the WNBA (or young players on the senior tour, etc.)
In effect, the “men’s” league (Tour, event, etc) is more of a wide open competition where gender (or age) doesn’t really matter. Females have competed directly with men, and so have old timers (Tom Watson almost won the British Open at the age of 59). There is a good chance, however, that a lousy male golfer would blow the doors off the LPGA. Or if you’re talking track and field, just look at the respective times, distances, etc.
I don’t like it, I don’t have the answer, but there has to be some way to establish the characteristics of the athletes who compete in “women’s” athletic competition.

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Aunty Entity Dragon  Jul 30, 2015 • 3:06:37pm

re: #76 Kragar

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yes yes much Skaven skittering to bring warpstone meteors away from the man-things!

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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Jul 30, 2015 • 3:06:56pm

this lipitor makes water taste metallic

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darthstar  Jul 30, 2015 • 3:07:00pm

re: #65 Aunty Entity Dragon

Holy shit.

The start of their grifting campaign…targeting the Jesus freak set as they’re the most gullible.

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Bubblehead II  Jul 30, 2015 • 3:07:14pm

re: #56 Blind Frog Belly White

Interesting. On the one hand there’s the clear evidence in many sports and over decades of recordkeeping that men have a performance advantage over women, and thus we have separate categories for men and women in nearly all sports.

It makes perfect sense.

On the other hand it is clear that what constitutes a woman or a man is not a black and white thing, and that while, for example Dutee Chand may have an advantage in one area due to higher natural testosterone levels, other athletes have other advantages that are also natural. To be blunt, you don’t get to be a world class athlete without being naturally outside the norm. So to penalize Chand for a natural advantage while not penalizing others with their own natural advantages is unfair.

That also makes perfect sense.

So, what do you do? How do you determine what constitutes Male and Female for the purpose of sporting competition?

Simple. You get rid of the male/female category’s. You judge the participants on their ability, not their sex. Those who can’t compete and win in one class move down to a lower class and the converse if you compete and consistently win in one class, move up to a higher class.

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De Kolta Chair  Jul 30, 2015 • 3:07:18pm

re: #75 iossarian

But what about his yellow boots and his jolly laugh, and his tasty female companion?!

Anyway, got to run.

Oh well, there’s always these two love birds:

Later.
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Ace-o-aces  Jul 30, 2015 • 3:07:53pm

re: #69 Charles Johnson

A commenter at The Federalist shows exactly how important honesty is to the right:

WE BELIEVE IN THE BIBLE (except that part about bearing false witness. We just kinda skip that part).

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GlutenFreeJesus  Jul 30, 2015 • 3:08:09pm

How can there be a mass stabbing like this in Israel? EVERYWUN HAZ GUNZ!!!!!!!

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Teukka  Jul 30, 2015 • 3:08:24pm

re: #78 Jay C

BTW, Haaretz (who should know, they’re a bit closer to the scene than we are) says:

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So Stab Guy obviously was able to overcome his religious objections to “touching” women (do knives count?) - and didn’t play favorites.

And with the picture I saw of one of the women being stabbed, I hope and pray she lives, that blade is awfully close to the spine and heart.

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EPR-radar  Jul 30, 2015 • 3:08:40pm

re: #70 KGxvi

Oh, believe me, we do. We’re just not nearly organized enough to do anything about it. It’s funny, though, I remember somewhere around eight or nine years ago having a conversation with a friend and saying “I was a center-right libertarian and woke up one day and realized I’d become a center-left libertarian without really changing any of my positions.” The only real difference is that I trust consolidated power in the private sector much less than I trust consolidated power in the government.

Very interesting. I was not aware that the flavors of libertarianism included a version more concerned about consolidation of power in the private sector than in government.

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Great White Snark  Jul 30, 2015 • 3:09:38pm

re: #70 KGxvi

” The only real difference is that I trust consolidated power in the private sector much less than I trust consolidated power in the government.

Consolidated power is never to be trusted regardless of it’s nature, private, or government. Checks and balances have been the sole demonstrable factor to avoid abuse and excess. This is government, private, NGO, military, it’s all just us people. With all our interests, foibles and vulnerabilites.

One of the great political lies is that government or private sectors are inherently more honest or less subject to abuse. This falsehood is reinforced by party ideological propaganda over decades. This is also true of the parties. Policy matters logos don’t. If someone registered ne into the GOP I would be the same person as I am today. Policy and advocacy matter a great deal. Labels? Pfft.

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Aunty Entity Dragon  Jul 30, 2015 • 3:10:28pm

re: #52 Charles Johnson

I just looked at that Breitbart thread, and it’s absolutely repulsive. A lot of them are openly applauding the attacker. Others are making jokes about it. These people are just mentally ill.

I’m hearing that the attacker had just got out of prison for attacking a Pride event in 2005.

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darthstar  Jul 30, 2015 • 3:10:45pm

re: #74 Blind Frog Belly White

Parody account. Note the misspelled twitter username.

Damnit! I was getting all riled up and ready to eviscerate someone virtually on the internet.

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BlueSpotinAL  Jul 30, 2015 • 3:10:45pm

re: #30 Backwoods_Sleuth

Meanwhile in Kentucky, the wretched soap opera known as Kim Davis continues:

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Ah, a “lawsuit”!

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#FergusonFireside  Jul 30, 2015 • 3:10:50pm

re: #71 Blind Frog Belly White

Then lied about it.

BTW, I saw something the other day about the toll in deaths, injuries, and property damage from High Speed Chases. Lots of bystanders injured and killed, and most of the chases are related to nonviolent offenses. So, we’re killing and injuring men, women and children to try and catch people who hadn’t/wouldn’t kill or injure anyone.

WAY too much ego and ‘Respect Mah Authoritah!’ in law enforcement these days. Tensing shoots Dubose because he started his car. Sandra Bland ends up dead because she was insufficiently obsequious. Eric Garner choked to death for similar reasons, and lots of innocent bystanders killed for similar reasons.

There has to be some way to screen police officer candidates better, to train them better, and to hold them to a higher standard.

It all has to change. I believe they are being trained to behave this way. They are fearful people on a power trip.

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Higgs Boson's Mate  Jul 30, 2015 • 3:11:07pm

re: #69 Charles Johnson

They are inherently immoral, and I’m not going to split hairs over how exactly we go about destroying them.

Brave words indeed. How about if our side plays by those rules?

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jul 30, 2015 • 3:11:12pm

re: #83 Bubblehead II

Simple. You get rid of the male/female category’s. You judge the participants on their ability, not their sex. Those who can’t compete and win in one class move down to a lower class and the converse if you compete and consistently win in one class, move up to a higher class.

And what you’ll have is almost exclusively men in the top class of all sports, with the best women playing in the minor leagues. Sorry, but I don’t think that’s a good solution.

In the end, it’s likely that there’s no completely fair solution that doesn’t screw SOMEbody.

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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Jul 30, 2015 • 3:11:24pm

re: #88 EPR-radar

Very interesting. I was not aware that the flavors of libertarianism included a version more concerned about consolidation of power in the private sector than in government.

consolidation of power in the private sector is a natural outcome of placing no restrictions on business activity so it has to be tolerated under strict libertarianism

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EPR-radar  Jul 30, 2015 • 3:14:57pm

re: #96 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸

consolidation of power in the private sector is a natural outcome of placing no restrictions on business activity so it has to be tolerated under strict libertarianism

More combatively, I’ve always assumed that such private concentration of power was the whole point for libertarians, so that they could rule lesser beings as they see fit.

Whence my surprise at #70.

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Higgs Boson's Mate  Jul 30, 2015 • 3:15:10pm

re: #96 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸

consolidation of power in the private sector is a natural outcome of placing no restrictions on business activity so it has to be tolerated under strict libertarianism

They’d rather dance to the tune of the WESAYSO Corporation than obey the laws. That’s some clear thinking. I don’t think that they’re as smart as they say they are.

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Kragar  Jul 30, 2015 • 3:15:47pm
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Aunty Entity Dragon  Jul 30, 2015 • 3:16:42pm

AP pictures here of the attack and the attacker as he stabs people.

By advised…these are really upsetting…and yes, it seems this is not the first go around for this evil asshole.

bigstory.ap.org

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jul 30, 2015 • 3:16:45pm

re: #81 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸

this lipitor makes water taste metallic

Oh! So when they say ‘taste disturbance’ as a side effect, they’re not talking about suddenly liking plaid pants with a paisley shirt, for example.
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Kragar  Jul 30, 2015 • 3:17:20pm
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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Jul 30, 2015 • 3:17:46pm

re: #97 EPR-radar

More combatively, I’ve always assumed that such private concentration of power was the whole point for libertarians, so that they could rule lesser beings as they see fit.

Whence my surprise at #70.

hmm i thought of it as a desire to have no government interference without gaming out that that would imply corporate power intruding into your freedom instead

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lawhawk  Jul 30, 2015 • 3:18:23pm

re: #76 Kragar

Several meteorites appear to have hit locations across several provinces of Iran, according to FARS. Not much more than that to go on.

As an aside, the Perseids are due to peak around August 12-13.

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Varek Raith  Jul 30, 2015 • 3:19:33pm

re: #76 Kragar

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Hmm, I thought we had more time before the Ze…
Nevermind.

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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Jul 30, 2015 • 3:20:06pm

re: #101 Blind Frog Belly White

Oh! So when they say ‘taste disturbance’ as a side effect, they’re not talking about suddenly liking plaid pants with a paisley shirt, for example.
/////

if you double the dose they give you oversized blue track suits and yanni albums

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KGxvi  Jul 30, 2015 • 3:20:14pm

re: #88 EPR-radar

There are a lot of different strains of libertarianism (which is why you can’t get two libertarians to agree on much of anything). Some of it is based on anti-authoritarianism. Some of it is arcane notions of what constitutes property rights and what not. Here’s a decent primer on it. (that’s to wikipedia but it’s at least a decent jumping off point).

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Mike Lamb  Jul 30, 2015 • 3:20:52pm

re: #30 Backwoods_Sleuth

I’ll risk the downding, but this lady is a complete see you next Tuesday…

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Higgs Boson's Mate  Jul 30, 2015 • 3:20:58pm

re: #103 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸

hmm i thought of it as a desire to have no government interference without gaming out that that would imply corporate power intruding into your freedom instead

Libertarians gaming out an idea:

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ObserverArt  Jul 30, 2015 • 3:21:08pm

re: #104 lawhawk

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Several meteorites appear to have hit locations across several provinces of Iran, according to FARS. Not much more than that to go on.

As an aside, the Perseids are due to peak around August 12-13.

Hmmm. Any of those locations happen to be nuclear laboratories?

“Well, they looked like meteors when they came in.”

/

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EPR-radar  Jul 30, 2015 • 3:22:10pm

re: #103 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸

hmm i thought of it as a desire to have no government interference without gaming out that that would imply corporate power intruding into your freedom instead

History tells us pretty clearly, especially in the US, that the choice is between corporate power and government power. The withering away of the US regulatory state to end up with a libertarian utopia is just as farcical as the withering away of the dictatorship of the proletariat in classical Marxism, so I can’t take it seriously.

That said, it does make sense to have a moderate level of skepticism for government power, to ensure that on balance the laws/regulations do more good than harm.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 30, 2015 • 3:23:51pm

re: #104 lawhawk

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Several meteorites appear to have hit locations across several provinces of Iran, according to FARS. Not much more than that to go on.

As an aside, the Perseids are due to peak around August 12-13.

Interesting the upset about dismal meteorite strike forecast capability. They really expected accurate and timely meteorite strike forecasts?

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De Kolta Chair  Jul 30, 2015 • 3:24:32pm

re: #99 Kragar

Time to reboot Pumaman!!!

/three hundred sarc marks

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 30, 2015 • 3:24:46pm

re: #108 Mike Lamb

I’ll risk the downding, but this lady is a complete see you next Tuesday…

Why, yes. Yes she is.

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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Jul 30, 2015 • 3:25:27pm

re: #111 EPR-radar

History tells us pretty clearly, especially in the US, that the choice is between corporate power and government power. The withering away of the US regulatory state to end up with a libertarian utopia is just as farcical as the withering away of the dictatorship of the proletariat in classical Marxism, so I can’t take it seriously.

That said, it does make sense to have a moderate level of skepticism for government power, to ensure that on balance the laws/regulations do more good than harm.

i would have to agree and add that imho skepticism of government power is a fundamental american value that is written into the fabric of the constitution

…and that’s what i believe as a progressive and wingnuts who tell me “you’re in favor of big government” can shove it up their ass

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Varek Raith  Jul 30, 2015 • 3:26:39pm

re: #113 De Kolta Chair

Time to reboot Pumaman!!!

/three hundred sarc marks

ROWSDOWER.
That is all.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jul 30, 2015 • 3:26:44pm

re: #107 KGxvi

There are a lot of different strains of libertarianism (which is why you can’t get two libertarians to agree on much of anything). Some of it is based on anti-authoritarianism. Some of it is arcane notions of what constitutes property rights and what not. Here’s a decent primer on it. (that’s to wikipedia but it’s at least a decent jumping off point).

I’m curious how many libertarians are NOT white, straight males. It seems to me that growing up with the maximum level pf privilege would tend to make you see many of the actions of government in trying to level the playing field as unnecessary interference, whereas if you grew up on the other side of privilege you are much more likely to see how the absence of government intervention makes for a system very much rigged to keep the ones with the power in power.

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Higgs Boson's Mate  Jul 30, 2015 • 3:27:01pm

re: #112 Backwoods_Sleuth

Interesting the upset about dismal meteorite strike forecast capability. They really expected accurate and timely meteorite strike forecasts?

Something could be done though it would be vastly expensive. With today’s technology it would give you just enough time to kiss your ass goodbye.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 30, 2015 • 3:28:04pm

re: #117 Blind Frog Belly White

I’m curious how many libertarians are NOT white, straight males. It seems to me that growing up with the maximum level pf privilege would tend to make you see many of the actions of government in trying to level the playing field as unnecessary interference, whereas if you grew up on the other side of privilege you are much more likely to see how the absence of government intervention makes for a system very much rigged to keep the ones with the power in power.

There is a black female Libertarian running as Lt. Gov. on the official GOP ticket in Kentucky.

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Dr Lizardo  Jul 30, 2015 • 3:28:05pm

re: #112 Backwoods_Sleuth

Interesting the upset about dismal meteorite strike forecast capability. They really expected accurate and timely meteorite strike forecasts?

Why not? After all, failing to predict an earthquake will get your patootie thrown in the slammer in Italy.

theguardian.com

The sentences were overturned last year, however. Still - just damn.

And with that, goodnight, Lizards.

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De Kolta Chair  Jul 30, 2015 • 3:28:17pm

re: #116 Varek Raith

ROWSDOWER.
That is all.

Bruce J. Mitchell’s still got it goin’ on!
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JadeHelmCurious  Jul 30, 2015 • 3:28:24pm
“Trying to mold an atrocious monstrosity into socially acceptable behaviors is repulsive,” said E

Wingnuts and projection. Always together.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jul 30, 2015 • 3:29:23pm

re: #119 Backwoods_Sleuth

There is a black female Libertarian running as Lt. Gov. on the official GOP ticket in Kentucky.

Okay, so there’s one.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 30, 2015 • 3:29:48pm

re: #118 Higgs Boson’s Mate

Something could be done though it would be vastly expensive. With today’s technology it would give you just enough time to kiss your ass goodbye.

Oh, I’m sure the technology is there. I’m just bemused that they are upset no one told them the meteorites were coming.

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ObserverArt  Jul 30, 2015 • 3:30:42pm

re: #115 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸

i would have to agree and add that imho skepticism of government power is a fundamental american value that is written into the fabric of the constitution

…and that’s what i believe as a progressive and wingnuts who tell me “you’re in favor of big government” can shove it up their ass

We need a government as big as needed to help protect us from crazies like RWNJs and out of control libertarian wackos.

Just think how small a government could be in an idealized country that 90% of the population had their acts together.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jul 30, 2015 • 3:31:10pm

re: #118 Higgs Boson’s Mate

Something could be done though it would be vastly expensive. With today’s technology it would give you just enough time to kiss your ass goodbye.

“HEY! LOOK OUT FOR THE…….never mind.”

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Higgs Boson's Mate  Jul 30, 2015 • 3:32:26pm

re: #115 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸

I’ve a feeling that if these people lived somewhere in the Old West where the nearest law was sixty miles away you’d hear:
“That Sheriff’s crowdin’ me.”
“Well, hell. He’s got no authority outside of city limits and that’s nearly two day’s ride from here.”
“You’re right, he’s crowdin’ me for certain”.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jul 30, 2015 • 3:32:34pm

re: #125 ObserverArt

We need a government as big as needed to help protect us from crazies like RWNJs and out of control libertarian wackos.

Just think how small a government could be in an idealized country that 90% of the population had their acts together.

This is why I always tell wingnuts that regulation is not a burden imposed by government upon business. It’s a burden imposed by business upon other businesses - If somebody hadn’t been a dick we wouldn’t need it

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 30, 2015 • 3:33:37pm

sigh

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Kragar  Jul 30, 2015 • 3:34:26pm

Phrases like “better than break even” or “I want a Lamborghini” are becoming similar memes, used as shorthand for a narrative about the cynical, smirking evil of Planned Parenthood—even if, in context, they don’t necessarily support that narrative. And as they harden into memes, they become resistant to debate and questioning. Since we’ve already accepted the intent of the meme, the portrayal of Planned Parenthood as cold-blooded organ-selling baby killers, then anyone who questions the meme must be defending baby-killers, right? So why should we listen to him? In this way, the meme itself functions to invalidate any criticism or analysis of it.

An awful lot of our public debate looks exactly like this.

The problem with memifying the abortion debate is not just that it prevents us from an accurate evaluation of the facts. It’s that it usually fails to make converts. Memes carry meaning to those who are aware of and sympathetic to the story behind them—but not for those who disagree. I suspect my pro-life friends and colleagues are going to be disappointed, over the long term, with the diminishing returns as the self-styled Center for Medical Progress produces more videos using the exact same techniques. And they will be disappointed by how little this whole controversy is going to move the abortion debate a year or two from now.

I think it would be very productive to have a debate about abortion and to reason carefully through the moral and philosophical rationales on either side. But we need to start from a common ground of scrupulously accurate facts, rather than letting our perspectives harden into warring memes that prevent thinking rather than stimulating it.

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Bubblehead II  Jul 30, 2015 • 3:34:31pm

re: #95 Blind Frog Belly White

And what you’ll have is almost exclusively men in the top class of all sports, with the best women playing in the minor leagues. Sorry, but I don’t think that’s a good solution.

In the end, it’s likely that there’s no completely fair solution that doesn’t screw SOMEbody.

I will have to respectfully disagree with you on this then. I personally believe that women who have the ability, will, and training, to compete with men, should be given the chance to do so . They will either succeed or fail based upon their abilities, not their (arbitrarily assigned) sex.

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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Jul 30, 2015 • 3:35:42pm

re: #125 ObserverArt

We need a government as big as needed to help protect us from crazies like RWNJs and out of control libertarian wackos.

Just think how small a government could be in an idealized country that 90% of the population had their acts together.

A City Where Everyone Works, There Is No Police, And The Salary Is 1200 Euros

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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Jul 30, 2015 • 3:37:03pm

re: #128 Blind Frog Belly White

This is why I always tell wingnuts that regulation is not a burden imposed by government upon business. It’s a burden imposed by business upon other businesses - If somebody hadn’t been a dick we wouldn’t need it

instead of calling it “government”, re-brand it as “asshole preventative”

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De Kolta Chair  Jul 30, 2015 • 3:37:57pm

Later lizards. My chariot back to NYC awaits!

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Jul 30, 2015 • 3:38:20pm

re: #131 Bubblehead II

I will have to respectfully disagree with you on this then. I personally believe that women who have the ability, will, and training, to compete with men, should be given the chance to do so . They will either succeed or fail based upon their abilities, not their (arbitrarily assigned) sex.

There’s an awful lot of Olympic records that suggest otherwise.

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Decatur Deb  Jul 30, 2015 • 3:39:35pm

Today’s entry in the “No Fucking Introspection” sweepstakes:

Rand Paul attributes Trump’s rise to a ‘loss of sanity’
thehill.com

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ObserverArt  Jul 30, 2015 • 3:39:46pm

re: #129 Backwoods_Sleuth

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sigh

WTF? We have some very bad people as cops these days.

Maybe it was extremely covered up, but I do not remember cops being this out of control in the past (15 years or more in the past) as far as outright killing unarmed people. Sure, there was ugliness in cops before, but these just strike me as executions.

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KGxvi  Jul 30, 2015 • 3:40:07pm

re: #117 Blind Frog Belly White

Honestly, I don’t know. My guess is that it probably does tend white, straight, and male. But, again, 10 years ago when I was more in tune with the movement, they were seemingly more pro-choice and supported gay marriage. They opposed the drug war, which disproportionately harms African Americans and Latinos more than it does white people, and they tended to favor an open border policy.

And I do know one writer that considers herself a libertarian, although she is also a pro-life Catholic.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 30, 2015 • 3:40:27pm
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Charles Johnson  Jul 30, 2015 • 3:40:49pm

re: #130 Kragar

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Charles Johnson  Jul 30, 2015 • 3:41:40pm

re: #130 Kragar

He’s getting totally reamed by the Federalist’s readers in the comment section, of course.

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Eric The Fruit Bat  Jul 30, 2015 • 3:42:03pm

re: #45 ObserverArt

Drehrer changes denominations the way he changes his underwear.

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Kragar  Jul 30, 2015 • 3:42:31pm

re: #142 Charles Johnson

Naturally, because he must be a baby killing monster for not agreeing with them.
/

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Kragar  Jul 30, 2015 • 3:46:02pm

re: #142 Charles Johnson

From the comments:

“1) The moment sperm meets egg, there’s a new human being.”

LOLWUT?

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Eric The Fruit Bat  Jul 30, 2015 • 3:46:37pm

re: #144 Kragar

Earth to (faux-)Conservatives: until either (1) a successful vaginal birth and it takes its first breath or (2) a successful Cesarian operation occurs and it takes its first breath, you do not have a baby while the fetus is still within the mother’s womb. And this is clearly stated in The Bible-you know, the thing you claim to know, but you really don’t know.

Any questions?

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Higgs Boson's Mate  Jul 30, 2015 • 3:48:08pm

re: #142 Charles Johnson

He’s getting totally reamed by the Federalist’s readers in the comment section, of course.

Wasn’t “They’re Doing Things to Babies!” the rallying cry of the Medieval pogroms?

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calochortus  Jul 30, 2015 • 3:49:37pm

re: #146 Eric The Fruit Bat

Earth to Conservatives: until either (1) a successful vaginal birth and it takes its firth breath or (2) a successful Cesarian operation occurs and it takes its first breath, you do not have a baby when the fetus is still within the mother’s womb.

Any questions?

All the forced birthers need to do is pour money into medical research to do fetal transplants and then they (or at least the women among them) can spend their lives pregnant with all these precious babbies.

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Kragar  Jul 30, 2015 • 3:50:43pm

RWNJ: “WE WILL DO WHATEVER IT TAKES TO END ABORTIONS!”
Me: “So I take it you support expanded access to all form of birth control and comprehensive sex ed?
RWNJ: “OF COURSE NOT. WHY SHOULD WE SUPPORT THEIR IRRESPONSIBLE DECISIONS?”
Me: “So, you really don’t care about stopping abortions, you just want to make sure people who don’t share your beliefs are forced to live by your rules.”
RWNJ: “COMMIE LIBERAL PINKO BABY KILLER! RAAAWWRG!”

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#FergusonFireside  Jul 30, 2015 • 3:51:12pm

re: #138 ObserverArt

WTF? We have some very bad people as cops these days.

Maybe it was extremely covered up, but I do not remember cops being this out of control in the past (15 years or more in the past) as far as outright killing unarmed people. Sure, there was ugliness in cops before, but these just strike me as executions.

Twitter has opened the curtains imo.

The public hears about these shootings without having to rely on the police reporting them.

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Bubblehead II  Jul 30, 2015 • 3:54:48pm

re: #135 klys (maker of Silmarils)

There’s an awful lot of Olympic records that suggest otherwise.

That may be. But why should a woman be denied the chance to try to beat those records?

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No Country For Old Haters  Jul 30, 2015 • 3:55:27pm

re: #32 Ace-o-aces

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There’s a torrent of stupid responding to that tweet. A lot of people are just as stupid as Sarah Palin.

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Higgs Boson's Mate  Jul 30, 2015 • 3:56:04pm

re: #150 #FergusonFireside

Twitter has opened the curtains imo.

The public hears about these shootings without having to rely on the police reporting them.

Based on my own recollections I’d say that the the percentage of bad shootings by cops has remained the same for some decades. During that time, police sidearms have gone way up in lethality.

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ObserverArt  Jul 30, 2015 • 3:56:23pm

Later. Going to go do some old fashioned visiting of friends.

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thedopefishlives  Jul 30, 2015 • 3:56:36pm

Evening Lizardim.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Jul 30, 2015 • 4:00:54pm

re: #151 Bubblehead II

That may be. But why should a woman be denied the chance to try to beat those records?

Are you advocating that we should only have one set of records, then?

I’m trying to understand, because the end result of what you seem to be advocating for is that very, very, very few women have the opportunity to compete at the highest levels, if any. You don’t seem to think this matters, as long as women might have the chance. I don’t follow how this is better for women.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jul 30, 2015 • 4:03:11pm

re: #131 Bubblehead II

I will have to respectfully disagree with you on this then. I personally believe that women who have the ability, will, and training, to compete with men, should be given the chance to do so . They will either succeed or fail based upon their abilities, not their (arbitrarily assigned) sex.

re: #135 klys (maker of Silmarils)

There’s an awful lot of Olympic records that suggest otherwise.

A quick check of Track and Field World Records confirms this. The record 100 meter time for women is 10.49 seconds. It was set in 1988, and no woman has turned in a faster time since. That time had been surpassed by 1921 in the mens’ competition, and the record now stands at 9.58 seconds.

In the 2012 Olympics, all 23 semifinalists in the Mens’ 100 Meters was under 10.31, with the winning time being 9.63. The fastest woman in history would not have been able to compete with the slowest of the semifinalists.

So, yeah, it’s great to say they should be allowed to compete, but if we did away with the two classes, in most sports there would never be a woman on the podium, and most of the female athletes we celebrate today would be far down in the ‘also rans’.

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wrenchwench  Jul 30, 2015 • 4:04:45pm
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Eric The Fruit Bat  Jul 30, 2015 • 4:05:39pm

re: #64 darthstar

You just killed Cecil’s cubs by killing Cecil. Guess I have to bring my Twitter account back to life.

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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Jul 30, 2015 • 4:06:09pm

re: #137 Decatur Deb

Today’s entry in the “No Fucking Introspection” sweepstakes:

Rand Paul attributes Trump’s rise to a ‘loss of sanity’
thehill.com

took them a long time to notice something that’s been obvious to a lot of other people for decades

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thedopefishlives  Jul 30, 2015 • 4:06:30pm

re: #157 Blind Frog Belly White

This kinda gets back to my “different but equal” philosophy when it comes to the biological genders: Men and women are different, physically. Also somewhat true mentally, and certainly emotionally as well. We’re all the same species and we should be equal partners in relationships and have equal standing in life, but men and women are not biologically identical creatures.

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Charles Johnson  Jul 30, 2015 • 4:07:51pm
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Kragar  Jul 30, 2015 • 4:08:18pm
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Kid A  Jul 30, 2015 • 4:08:24pm

I wonder if any of the wingnuts have gotten a hold of this yet.

In 1988, the Reagan administration began a moratorium on fetal tissue from elective abortions being used in scientific research. But Congress lifted that ban in 1993 when it passed the National Institutes of Health Revitalization Act, which allowed research on human fetal tissue regardless of whether the tissue came from a voluntary abortion. McConnell voted for that bill, as did Reps. Lamar Smith (R-Texas) and Fred Upton (R-Mich.), all of whom have condemned Planned Parenthood in the past two weeks for its involvement in the practice.

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Eric The Fruit Bat  Jul 30, 2015 • 4:08:36pm

re: #145 Kragar

These clowns have no idea. The miscarriage rates alone are staggering, and now some of these political yahoos want to force that upon a miscarriage to have the government issue a “Certificate of Live Death”. WTF?

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#FergusonFireside  Jul 30, 2015 • 4:09:25pm

re: #159 Eric The Fruit Bat

You just killed Cecil’s cubs by killing Cecil. Guess I have to bring my Twitter account back to life.

Eric, it is a parody account. Save your time.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jul 30, 2015 • 4:09:31pm

re: #151 Bubblehead II

That may be. But why should a woman be denied the chance to try to beat those records?

To be fair, she’s not denied the chance to beat those records. If a woman can run a 9.57 second 100 meter dash, she’d get the record.

But if all women were forced to try and beat what are now the mens’ records, you’d never hear of them.

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The Vicious Babushka  Jul 30, 2015 • 4:09:42pm

Shit the power is out

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Bubblehead II  Jul 30, 2015 • 4:09:56pm

re: #156 klys (maker of Silmarils)

Are you advocating that we should only have one set of records, then?

I’m trying to understand, because the end result of what you seem to be advocating for is that very, very, very few women have the opportunity to compete at the highest levels, if any. You don’t seem to think this matters, as long as women might have the chance. I don’t follow how this is better for women.

What I am advocating for is gender neutrality. If an individual has the physical capability to participate in a sporting event, REGARDLESS OF SEX they should be allowed to. Their standing in that sport shall be determined by what they can actually do. If they exceed the class they are in, they move up to the next class. Nothing more, nothing less.

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Charles Johnson  Jul 30, 2015 • 4:10:01pm

re: #163 Kragar

It was just a little bit smaller than that.

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Varek Raith  Jul 30, 2015 • 4:10:13pm

re: #162 Charles Johnson

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LAVALANTULA

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BeachDem  Jul 30, 2015 • 4:10:23pm

re: #145 Kragar

From the comments:

“1) The moment sperm meets egg, there’s a new human being.”

LOLWUT?

Tell me when you all get sick of seeing this and I’ll stop posting it.

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Chan Kobun  Jul 30, 2015 • 4:12:22pm

re: #171 Varek Raith

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Eric The Fruit Bat  Jul 30, 2015 • 4:14:28pm

The petition to extradite the dentist has exceeded 100,000, so the White House has to respond.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jul 30, 2015 • 4:15:11pm

re: #174 Eric The Fruit Bat

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Parody account.

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Ace-o-aces  Jul 30, 2015 • 4:18:35pm
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thedopefishlives  Jul 30, 2015 • 4:20:28pm

re: #176 Ace-o-aces

So why don’t more white guys get shot at traffic stops? Plenty of white guys get pulled over for drunk driving. Oh, right. White guys. Sorry.

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Bubblehead II  Jul 30, 2015 • 4:21:26pm

re: #157 Blind Frog Belly White

A quick check of Track and Field World Records confirms this. The record 100 meter time for women is 10.49 seconds. It was set in 1988, and no woman has turned in a faster time since. That time had been surpassed by 1921 in the mens’ competition, and the record now stands at 9.58 seconds.

In the 2012 Olympics, all 23 semifinalists in the Mens’ 100 Meters was under 10.31, with the winning time being 9.63. The fastest woman in history would not have been able to compete with the slowest of the semifinalists.

So, yeah, it’s great to say they should be allowed to compete, but if we did away with the two classes, in most sports there would never be a woman on the podium, and most of the female athletes we celebrate today would be far down in the ‘also rans’.

So you would deny them the right to compete against men if they had the desire to do so? You don’t think a woman can overcome and beat that time? Neighbor, you seriously understate the capabilities of the females of our species.

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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Jul 30, 2015 • 4:21:48pm

Donald Trump, who’s polling at the head of the 2016 Republican primary pack, has finally decided to hire a national political director.

The media mogul’s presidential campaign announced Thursday that it had hired Michael Glassner for the job.

“Michael is responsible for developing and implementing a national political plan and will oversee strategic planning operations nationwide on behalf of Donald J. Trump for President,” Trump’s campaign said in a statement.

In the 2008 cycle, Glassner served as a top aide to Sarah Palin on Sen. John McCain’s presidential campaign. He’s also a former aide to former Kansas Sen. Bob Dole, and in the 2000 presidential campaign cycle he served on the Bush-Cheney campaign as an adviser in Iowa.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jul 30, 2015 • 4:22:16pm

re: #176 Ace-o-aces

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WHAT?!? I can’t even…

What a miserable racist piece of shit she is. What an awful excuse for a human being.

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Skip Intro  Jul 30, 2015 • 4:23:46pm

re: #180 Blind Frog Belly White

WHAT?!? I can’t even…

What a miserable racist piece of shit she is. What an awful excuse for a human being.

Seems to be a character trait of all those who slithered through the Breitbart school of sleaze and deception.

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EPR-radar  Jul 30, 2015 • 4:26:30pm

re: #130 Kragar

…
I think it would be very productive to have a debate about abortion and to reason carefully through the moral and philosophical rationales on either side. But we need to start from a common ground of scrupulously accurate facts, rather than letting our perspectives harden into warring memes that prevent thinking rather than stimulating it.

I’m usually in favor of philosophical debates as opposed to political screaming matches, but I’m not sure a real debate is to be had regarding abortion laws.

I really think this comes down to a conflict in axioms taken by the opposing sides that there is no way to resolve by discussion. One side is horrified by the notion of legally coerced pregnancy. The other side is horrified by the termination of what it regards as human life and seeks to prevent this with force of law.

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Kid A  Jul 30, 2015 • 4:27:25pm

Matthews is lighting up this ass clown about BENGHAZI!!!! right now.

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Kid A  Jul 30, 2015 • 4:29:37pm

I swear to sky dad, if BENGHAZI!!!!! was called “Springfield,” these idiots wouldn’t give a shit.

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Charles Johnson  Jul 30, 2015 • 4:29:49pm

Season 3 of Rectify just started a couple of weeks ago. Great, great character-driven series. Highly recommended. Acting is impeccable.

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#FergusonFireside  Jul 30, 2015 • 4:32:02pm

re: #185 Charles Johnson

Season 3 of Rectify just started a couple of weeks ago. Great, great character-driven series. Highly recommended. Acting is impeccable.

I love that show. So glad I stumbled onto it.

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Decatur Deb  Jul 30, 2015 • 4:32:22pm

re: #185 Charles Johnson

Season 3 of Rectify just started a couple of weeks ago. Great, great character-driven series. Highly recommended. Acting is impeccable.

Still bummed by S2 of True Detective. Great character development but the story line just went to Starsky and Hutch.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jul 30, 2015 • 4:32:22pm

re: #178 Bubblehead II

So you would deny them the right to compete against men if they had the desire to do so? You don’t think a woman can overcome and beat that time? Neighbor, you seriously understate the capabilities of the females of our species.

First, I don’t deny them the right to compete against men, so please don’t accuse me of that. I think that if a woman wants to try competing in the Mens’ category of any sport, she should be allowed to, and I think that any man who wants to compete in the Womens’ category should be told to fuck off.

Second, in sports where you compete against the clock, or for distance thrown, or weight lifted etc., women in a sense already compete against the men. The stopwatch doesn’t care who’s running in that lane. The weight doesn’t care who lifts it. The shot doesn’t care who puts it.

You need to understand that women are CONSTANTLY trying to beat that time and they’re running on the same tracks, on the same days. If any woman currently competing COULD beat 10.49, she would have already. Nothing, apart from ability, is preventing anyone from doing so.

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Romantic Heretic  Jul 30, 2015 • 4:33:25pm

re: #107 KGxvi

There are a lot of different strains of libertarianism (which is why you can’t get two libertarians to agree on much of anything). Some of it is based on anti-authoritarianism. Some of it is arcane notions of what constitutes property rights and what not. Here’s a decent primer on it. (that’s to wikipedia but it’s at least a decent jumping off point).

I’ve always found this a useful guide.

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b_sharp  Jul 30, 2015 • 4:34:38pm

re: #81 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸

this lipitor makes water taste metallic

Well then, don’t drink water.

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Bubblehead II  Jul 30, 2015 • 4:35:13pm

Night Lizard. The IF rule is now in effect.

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Charles Johnson  Jul 30, 2015 • 4:35:31pm

re: #187 Decatur Deb

Still bummed by S2 of True Detective. Great character development but the story line just went to Starsky and Hutch.

I’m still enjoying True Detective, but it’s nowhere near season one. That first season had an incredibly creepy atmosphere that bordered on horror — it was much more than just a cop show.

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Decatur Deb  Jul 30, 2015 • 4:38:35pm

re: #178 Bubblehead II

So you would deny them the right to compete against men if they had the desire to do so? You don’t think a woman can overcome and beat that time? Neighbor, you seriously understate the capabilities of the females of our species.

Can’t imagine getting interested in the gender of anyone who shaves a tenth of a second.

OTOH, the great relative work megablots are made of men and women, as determined by their skills. Apparently a female g. is the same as a male g.

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Romantic Heretic  Jul 30, 2015 • 4:40:21pm

re: #115 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸

i would have to agree and add that imho skepticism of government power is a fundamental american value that is written into the fabric of the constitution

…and that’s what i believe as a progressive and wingnuts who tell me “you’re in favor of big government” can shove it up their ass

The problem is that the ‘libertarian’s’ and the Marxists ascribe ethical qualities to tools. Generally one side thinks that government is evil and capitalism is good while the other thinks the opposite.

Ascribing ethical qualities to tools is a big mistake. It means a person (or society) can’t use a tool when it should be used and will use it when they shouldn’t. It’s like trying to walk one-legged. You can do it for a while but it won’t be long before you topple over.

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Eric The Fruit Bat  Jul 30, 2015 • 4:47:50pm

re: #194 Romantic Heretic

Let’s not forget that Marx’s analysis played in multiple domains. Some of the things that Marx preached about turned our horrible, but when you look back in time some of his analysis turned out to be very prescient.

Take a gander at this.

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Charles Johnson  Jul 30, 2015 • 4:53:33pm
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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Jul 30, 2015 • 4:54:23pm

re: #188 Blind Frog Belly White

First, I don’t deny them the right to compete against men, so please don’t accuse me of that. I think that if a woman wants to try competing in the Mens’ category of any sport, she should be allowed to, and I think that any man who wants to compete in the Womens’ category should be told to fuck off.

Second, in sports where you compete against the clock, or for distance thrown, or weight lifted etc., women in a sense already compete against the men. The stopwatch doesn’t care who’s running in that lane. The weight doesn’t care who lifts it. The shot doesn’t care who puts it.

You need to understand that women are CONSTANTLY trying to beat that time and they’re running on the same tracks, on the same days. If any woman currently competing COULD beat 10.49, she would have already. Nothing, apart from ability, is preventing anyone from doing so.

I don’t know how to say it any more clearly.

Do I believe women might break it in the future? Sure. I also believe that men will continue to improve their record.

In the meantime, I like that women have the opportunity to compete at the highest level against other women, instead of the top women and the men who couldn’t cut it at the top level.

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Aunty Entity Dragon  Jul 30, 2015 • 4:55:33pm

re: #150 #FergusonFireside

Twitter has opened the curtains imo.

The public hears about these shootings without having to rely on the police reporting them.

The attitude has changed, though. Cops did not look and act like post apocalyptic dystopian nightmare shock troops in the 1970’s. The “Warrior Ethos” and “We are the sheepdogs” bullshit is all within the last 15 years. The SWAT proliferation began in the mid 80’s. Then, of course, you also had the infamous “Broken Windows” essay that produced the insane over-policing of minority communities.

I agree that LE attitudes towards minorities have been fairly consistent over the last 100 years, but the military weapons, para military training and increasing aggression have been relatively recent.

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Jenner7  Jul 30, 2015 • 4:55:55pm

He wasn’t placed under arrest, ffs. He was executed.

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Decatur Deb  Jul 30, 2015 • 4:59:18pm

re: #192 Charles Johnson

I’m still enjoying True Detective, but it’s nowhere near season one. That first season had an incredibly creepy atmosphere that bordered on horror — it was much more than just a cop show.

Yeah. This season clearly aspired to be Euripides, but last Sunday it went remainder-bin ninja.

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Charles Johnson  Jul 30, 2015 • 4:59:44pm
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Blind Frog Belly White  Jul 30, 2015 • 4:59:48pm

re: #197 klys (maker of Silmarils)

I don’t know how to say it any more clearly.

Do I believe women might break it in the future? Sure. I also believe that men will continue to improve their record.

In the meantime, I like that women have the opportunity to compete at the highest level against other women, instead of the top women and the men who couldn’t cut it at the top level.

It’s also worth remembering who it was who designed most of the sports - Men. We designed them to show off the abilities in which men tend to exceed women - strength, speed, stamina. Even most agility sports depend on strength and speed.

So, we kinda cheated there.

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Decatur Deb  Jul 30, 2015 • 5:01:32pm

re: #198 Aunty Entity Dragon

The attitude has changed, though. Cops did not look and act like post apocalyptic dystopian nightmare shock troops in the 1970’s. The “Warrior Ethos” and “We are the sheepdogs” bullshit is all within the last 15 years. The SWAT proliferation began in the mid 80’s. Then, of course, you also had the infamous “Broken Windows” essay that produced the insane over-policing of minority communities.

I agree that LE attitudes towards minorities have been fairly consistent over the last 100 years, but the military weapons, para military training and increasing aggression have been relatively recent.

The difference started to show big-time in the novels of cop/writer Joseph Wambaugh.
The cop soul he showed wasn’t just racist, it was praetorian.

“If you’re not cop, you’re little people.”

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Higgs Boson's Mate  Jul 30, 2015 • 5:01:33pm

re: #201 Charles Johnson

Whew. Redesigning a site as large as LGF leads to an unending series of small details that need to be tweaked.

You’re telling me. I still can’t feel my legs.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jul 30, 2015 • 5:02:05pm

re: #201 Charles Johnson

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jul 30, 2015 • 5:02:35pm

re: #204 Higgs Boson’s Mate

You’re telling me. I still can’t feel my legs.

Well, don’t look at me. I’m not going to feel them for you.

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Aunty Entity Dragon  Jul 30, 2015 • 5:02:39pm

re: #188 Blind Frog Belly White

I think that any man who wants to compete in the Womens’ category should be told to fuck off.

You do run into some problems here. When the Olympics first started genetic testing of atheletes during the Atlanta Games, they discovered a couple of AIS women…women who have secondary female characteristics (female facial features, voice, breasts and a vaginal canal) but have no actual female reproductive organs and in fact, have an XY chromosome.

Yes, they are technically males although it is utterly insane to really classify them as men. AIS women typically tend to be somewhat tall and thin, and several have had succesful careers as runway models.

Gender can be really, really weird…and people with ambiguous genitals are about one in a thousand, which is enough that it will definitely keep coming up in sports.

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Varek Raith  Jul 30, 2015 • 5:03:02pm

re: #196 Charles Johnson

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Decatur Deb  Jul 30, 2015 • 5:03:04pm

re: #205 Blind Frog Belly White

A butterfly flaps its wings in China, and as a result I couldn’t get the ‘who updinged your comment’ button to work.
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A T-Rex fell on it. Damn time-travelling dentists.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Jul 30, 2015 • 5:03:21pm

re: #207 Aunty Entity Dragon

The op-ed that started this whole discussion addressed some of that.

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aagcobb  Jul 30, 2015 • 5:03:35pm

re: #102 Kragar

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Trump has come out in favor of mass deportation, a position supported by 63% of Republicans. I can hardly wait for the Fox News debate!

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Decatur Deb  Jul 30, 2015 • 5:04:36pm

re: #211 aagcobb

Trump has come out in favor of mass deportation, a position supported by 63% of Republicans. I can hardly wait for the Fox News debate!

Zombiecrazyhorse approves.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jul 30, 2015 • 5:05:34pm

re: #207 Aunty Entity Dragon

You do run into some problems here. When the Olympics first started genetic testing of atheletes during the Atlanta Games, they discovered a couple of AIS women…women who have secondary female characteristics (female facial features, voice, breasts and a vaginal canal) but have no actual female reproductive organs and in fact, have an XY chromosome.

Yes, they are technically males although it is utterly insane to really classify them as men. AIS women typically tend to be somewhat tall and thin, and several have had succesful careers as runway models.

Gender can be really, really weird…and people with ambiguous genitals are about one in a thousand, which is enough that it will definiteally keep coming up in sports.

Oh, yeah, absolutely. What I was referring to, of course, was the bozos who think they should be allowed to compete in the LPGA because Michelle Wie competed in the PGA.

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Varek Raith  Jul 30, 2015 • 5:05:41pm

re: #211 aagcobb

Trump has come out in favor of mass deportation, a position supported by 63% of Republicans. I can hardly wait for the Fox News debate!

JERRY JERRY JERRY!

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Romantic Heretic  Jul 30, 2015 • 5:10:30pm

re: #195 Eric The Fruit Bat

Let’s not forget that Marx’s analysis played in multiple domains. Some of the things that Marx preached about turned our horrible, but when you look back in time some of his analysis turned out to be very prescient.

Take a gander at this.

Interesting, but I balked at the anti-capitalist stance of it. As I’ve noted capitalism isn’t bad. It isn’t good either.

The problem with capitalism is the problem with us. Too many people in The West lack the ability to say “Enough!” It’s the same problem with Marxist nations as well.

The problem as always is people.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jul 30, 2015 • 5:13:12pm

re: #207 Aunty Entity Dragon

The other thing this makes me think is all the wingnut assholes who shout ‘You’re anti-science’ when you speak of anything other than Either/Or for gender, sexual orientation, etc.

They also tend to see race that way - Obama isn’t black, because his mother was white, all the while ignoring the fact that among African Americans whose ancesters have been here more than 100 years, there’s probably not a one whose ancestry is ‘pure’ African.

Unless you count 60,000 years back….

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Aunty Entity Dragon  Jul 30, 2015 • 5:14:54pm

O/T

I have been having one hell of a fight with UBER over my car, which is a very nice 2009 Pontiac G6.

It seems autocheck (which I had never heard of before last week) claims the car was sold at auction with frame damage back in 2011. Carfax has no such claim (which is the database we saw when we bought the car).

Neither carfax nor autozone mention any accidents, but UBER is demanding I stop driving 3 weeks from now or buy another car…which they are happy to help me do through one of their “partners” of course.

I just had the car inspected for frame damage and of course, there isn’t a damned thing wrong with the car. However, for evidence I can take to court, I would have to spend 250 dollars to put the car on a rack and be scanned by a laserlock system which can detect variences below what human eyes or handheld instruments can detect.

Then, I would have to get a lawyer and go after autocheck, which will likely take a year or longer. Not likely I can get a lawyer to go on contingency.

UBER refuses to communicate on the merits of whether there ever was anything wrong. Since UBER refuses to have any person to person contact and has no listed phone numbers of any sort, you have to rely on email, most of which goes to India and the Phillipines and where the operators are also poorly paid “contracters” who use cut and paste reply methods.

Seventy five cents a fucking mile is not worth this, but I am signing onto the class action lawsuit.

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Charles Johnson  Jul 30, 2015 • 5:16:27pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 30, 2015 • 5:17:20pm

re: #207 Aunty Entity Dragon

You do run into some problems here. When the Olympics first started genetic testing of atheletes during the Atlanta Games, they discovered a couple of AIS women…women who have secondary female characteristics (female facial features, voice, breasts and a vaginal canal) but have no actual female reproductive organs and in fact, have an XY chromosome.

Yes, they are technically males although it is utterly insane to really classify them as men. AIS women typically tend to be somewhat tall and thin, and several have had succesful careers as runway models.

Gender can be really, really weird…and people with ambiguous genitals are about one in a thousand, which is enough that it will definitely keep coming up in sports.

This is one of the many aspects Alice Dreger tries to address in her work.

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Decatur Deb  Jul 30, 2015 • 5:17:31pm

re: #217 Aunty Entity Dragon

Check with AAA about the actual costs of driving a mile. You’ll feel better.

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PhillyPretzel  Jul 30, 2015 • 5:19:25pm

re: #217 Aunty Entity Dragon

Uber has quite a few problems and that is one of the reasons why they are not welcome in Philly.

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Aunty Entity Dragon  Jul 30, 2015 • 5:20:29pm

re: #220 Decatur Deb

Check with AAA about the actual costs of driving a mile. You’ll feel better.

I think that UBER’s business model can work and it would be really cool if an ethical company that actually gave a shit about drivers and customers could break into the market.

UBER is not that company.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jul 30, 2015 • 5:21:16pm

re: #222 Aunty Entity Dragon

I think that UBER’s business model can work and it would be really cool if an ethical company that actually gave a shit about drivers and customers could break into the market.

UBER is not that company.

They’re called ‘Taxis’.
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 30, 2015 • 5:21:29pm

re: #221 PhillyPretzel

Uber has quite a few problems and that is one of the reasons why they are not welcome in Philly.

UpChuck thinks Uber (and its business model) is the greatest thing ever.
That’s enough to make me run away.

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Aunty Entity Dragon  Jul 30, 2015 • 5:21:36pm

BBS

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Decatur Deb  Jul 30, 2015 • 5:21:44pm

re: #222 Aunty Entity Dragon

I think that UBER’s business model can work and it would be really cool if an ethical company that actually gave a shit about drivers and customers could break into the market.

UBER is not that company.

Has a great risk-management model. They manage, you risk.

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PhillyPretzel  Jul 30, 2015 • 5:22:52pm

re: #224 Backwoods_Sleuth

CCJ can think whatever he wants to think about business models or floor pooping. I do not care about him or his “ideas.”

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aagcobb  Jul 30, 2015 • 5:22:59pm

re: #150 #FergusonFireside

Twitter has opened the curtains imo.

The public hears about these shootings without having to rely on the police reporting them.

Also there weren’t as many cameras around, which made it easier for cops to lie about shootings.

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aagcobb  Jul 30, 2015 • 5:24:27pm

re: #151 Bubblehead II

That may be. But why should a woman be denied the chance to try to beat those records?

Its not a matter of denying them the chance. They simply can’t; they have already reached the outer limits of what they are physically capable of, and the same is true of men.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jul 30, 2015 • 5:25:22pm

The problem I have with Uber and such is that their business model depends on undercutting the already existing services by avoiding the costs those services have. There’s a reason why taxi and limousine services are pretty heavily regulated, and why there are requirements for licensing, insurance, etc. If you don’t have to meet those requirements, it’s a lot cheaper, but with a big potential downside.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jul 30, 2015 • 5:26:43pm

re: #228 aagcobb

Also there weren’t as many cameras around, which made it easier for cops to lie about shootings.

It’s disturbing how much lying the videos have exposed.

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PhillyPretzel  Jul 30, 2015 • 5:27:35pm

re: #230 Blind Frog Belly White

You have hit the nail on the head. That is exactly why they are not welcome in Philly.

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aagcobb  Jul 30, 2015 • 5:29:36pm

re: #178 Bubblehead II

So you would deny them the right to compete against men if they had the desire to do so? You don’t think a woman can overcome and beat that time? Neighbor, you seriously understate the capabilities of the females of our species.

No, its pretty well established through thousands of races over decades what the outer limit of the speeds both men and women can achieve.

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EPR-radar  Jul 30, 2015 • 5:30:20pm

re: #226 Decatur Deb

Has a great risk-management model. They manage, you risk.

The revenue model is also nearly ideal —- the drivers make less than they think because large parts of the total cost of driving aren’t explicit costs like gas and insurance, while the managers skim a big slice of the total revenues for themselves.

I’d like to see Uber go down in flames. There should be more efficient ways of obliging taxicab companies to do their jobs properly in cases where they have gotten lazy because their regulation effectively prevents competition.

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Decatur Deb  Jul 30, 2015 • 5:32:19pm

re: #234 EPR-radar

The revenue model is also nearly ideal —- the drivers make less than they think because large parts of the total cost of driving aren’t explicit costs like gas and insurance, while the managers skim a big slice of the total revenues for themselves.

I’d like to see Uber go down in flames. There should be more efficient ways of obliging taxicab companies to do their jobs properly in cases where they have gotten lazy because their regulation effectively prevents competition.

Taxi driver is one of the most dangerous jobs in the country. Uber makes sure the driver eats the consequences.

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#FergusonFireside  Jul 30, 2015 • 5:34:09pm

re: #217 Aunty Entity Dragon

O/T

I have been having one hell of a fight with UBER over my car, which is a very nice 2009 Pontiac G6.

It seems autocheck (which I had never heard of before last week) claims the car was sold at auction with frame damage back in 2011. Carfax has no such claim (which is the database we saw when we bought the car).

Neither carfax nor autozone mention any accidents, but UBER is demanding I stop driving 3 weeks from now or buy another car…which they are happy to help me do through one of their “partners” of course.

I just had the car inspected for frame damage and of course, there isn’t a damned thing wrong with the car. However, for evidence I can take to court, I would have to spend 250 dollars to put the car on a rack and be scanned by a laserlock system which can detect variences below what human eyes or handheld instruments can detect.

Then, I would have to get a lawyer and go after autocheck, which will likely take a year or longer. Not likely I can get a lawyer to go on contingency.

UBER refuses to communicate on the merits of whether there ever was anything wrong. Since UBER refuses to have any person to person contact and has no listed phone numbers of any sort, you have to rely on email, most of which goes to India and the Phillipines and where the operators are also poorly paid “contracters” who use cut and paste reply methods.

Seventy five cents a fucking mile is not worth this, but I am signing onto the class action lawsuit.

From my experience dealerships opt out of reporting to Carfax. They’ll provide the carfax on the used car you buy, but if the owner got some damaged repaired at the dealer, it wasn’t reported.

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Eric The Fruit Bat  Jul 30, 2015 • 5:35:19pm

re: #215 Romantic Heretic

And the people is where it gets ugly. If Uber had a more moral person than Travis Kalalcik, maybe they wouldn’t be on everybody’s radar as being the ultimate douchecanoes.

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TedStriker  Jul 30, 2015 • 5:36:16pm

re: #230 Blind Frog Belly White

The problem I have with Uber and such is that their business model depends on undercutting the already existing services by avoiding the costs those services have. There’s a reason why taxi and limousine services are pretty heavily regulated, and why there are requirements for licensing, insurance, etc. If you don’t have to meet those requirements, it’s a lot cheaper, but with a big potential downside.

Privatize the profits, socialize the costs.

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Decatur Deb  Jul 30, 2015 • 5:37:02pm

Cost per mile:

newsroom.aaa.com

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#FergusonFireside  Jul 30, 2015 • 5:37:39pm
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EPR-radar  Jul 30, 2015 • 5:38:37pm

re: #237 Eric The Fruit Bat

And the people is where it gets ugly. If Uber had a more moral person than Travis Kalalcik, maybe they wouldn’t be on everybody’s radar as being the ultimate douchecanoes.

My instinct is that the specific people don’t really make a big difference here. The Uber business model is intrinsically a douchebag business model.

There’s no way to pretty up the basic idea of dodging costs that have been imposed by society on the business of providing rides for hire.

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coin operated  Jul 30, 2015 • 5:38:39pm

re: #236 #FergusonFireside

My experience as well. I’ve been hit a couple of times in my life and they’ve always gone back to the dealer. Never had one of my vehicles show up on Carfax.

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coin operated  Jul 30, 2015 • 5:42:03pm

re: #230 Blind Frog Belly White

The problem I have with Uber and such is that their business model depends on undercutting the already existing services by avoiding the costs those services have. There’s a reason why taxi and limousine services are pretty heavily regulated, and why there are requirements for licensing, insurance, etc. If you don’t have to meet those requirements, it’s a lot cheaper, but with a big potential downside.

Quoted for truth. One thing an insurance friend of mine mentioned…if you get into a wreck with an Uber driver, you might be on your own. Unless the driver has a for-hire rider on the policy, you might be S-O-L in an accident.

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Aunty Entity Dragon  Jul 30, 2015 • 5:43:58pm

re: #239 Decatur Deb

Cost per mile:

newsroom.aaa.com

Yes…that’s a problem.

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Charles Johnson  Jul 30, 2015 • 5:45:12pm

Don’t know about anyone else, but I’m really loving the wider column for comments. Makes things more readable, and videos can now be about 25% larger. This is really working for me.

And having the blank space filled with a light silver color is also much easier on the eyes than the old blinding white background.

I played with a lot of other ideas before settling on this one; this redesign has been in the works for more than a year. Hope everyone else likes it too.

246
Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 30, 2015 • 5:46:48pm

my surprised face…

247
Decatur Deb  Jul 30, 2015 • 5:46:49pm

re: #245 Charles Johnson

Don’t know about anyone else, but I’m really loving the wider column for comments. Makes things more readable, and videos can now be about 25% larger. This is really working for me.

And having the blank space filled with a light silver color is also much easier on the eyes than the old blinding white background.

I played with a lot of other ideas before settling on this one; this redesign has been in the works for more than a year. Hope everyone else likes it too.

We can do really big ASCII graphics now.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 30, 2015 • 5:48:22pm
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Aunty Entity Dragon  Jul 30, 2015 • 5:48:31pm

re: #236 #FergusonFireside

Autocheck doesn’t report any accidents. however. The auctioner made a bullshit frame damage report (probably on a lot of several vehicles) to cover his ass on liability down the road.

If there was damage, somebody did an amazing job of fixing it to look factory issued. Not impossible (hence the suggestion to get a laserlock scan for definitive proof), but with no accident reports, no evidence of damage and no hint in our driving expereince in a year and a half that there are any issues…I will go out on a limb here and say that the car was not damaged.

250
#FergusonFireside  Jul 30, 2015 • 5:51:34pm

re: #249 Aunty Entity Dragon

Ugh. You are in a tough spot.

251
Aunty Entity Dragon  Jul 30, 2015 • 5:53:24pm

re: #243 coin operated

Quoted for truth. One thing an insurance friend of mine mentioned…if you get into a wreck with an Uber driver, you might be on your own. Unless the driver has a for-hire rider on the policy, you might be S-O-L in an accident.

That kind of insurance is amazingly prohibitive (it can be thousands of dollars per year)

The class action lawsuit I am joining addresses some of this. We are treated like employees in many respects, but we pay everything out of pocket and we accept all of the risk while UBER hides behind a two dollar an hour “contracter” in India who is trying to find the right cut and paste menu for our inquiries.

252
Feline Fearless Leader  Jul 30, 2015 • 5:55:10pm

re: #202 Blind Frog Belly White

It’s also worth remembering who it was who designed most of the sports - Men. We designed them to show off the abilities in which men tend to exceed women - strength, speed, stamina. Even most agility sports depend on strength and speed.

So, we kinda cheated there.

The history of Title IX in the US in regards to college sports also indicates that while a truly level playing field would be ideal we are not ready to go there yet.

en.wikipedia.org

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Eric The Fruit Bat  Jul 30, 2015 • 5:55:54pm

re: #251 Aunty Entity Dragon

That’s one reason why I will never deal with Uber-in my area we have cabs drivers who use apps on phones and none of this Uber surge pricing bullshit.

254
Jay C  Jul 30, 2015 • 5:58:58pm

re: #230 Blind Frog Belly White

The problem I have with Uber and such is that their business model depends on undercutting the already existing services by avoiding the costs those services have. There’s a reason why taxi and limousine services are pretty heavily regulated, and why there are requirements for licensing, insurance, etc. If you don’t have to meet those requirements, it’s a lot cheaper, but with a big potential downside.

Yeah, but Uber’s business model also, seems to be based, in part, on utilizing misleading PR (advertising) to gloss over the negatives (what a surprise!). Here in the NY media market, we’ve been barraged with TV ads for Uber - all stressing nice looking, “ordinary” folks (women and POC) happy as clams to finally get ride service in their “outlying” areas - and specifically bashing Mayor Bill de Blasio for caving to his “millionaire taxi-owner donors” in (AFAICT) not letting Uber operate unchecked in NYC.

Now there’s certainly several grains of truth in their claims : prejudicial pickup practices, outer-borough unavailability, corruption in the industry: all of that stuff is old news to New Yorkers: but the Uber model is hardly a panacea. Yes, having to rely on yellow/green cabs or black car services for road transit is very often a PITA: but the notion that the best alternative is just some guy with a car and a cellphone app is dubious, to say the least.

255
Eclectic Cyborg  Jul 30, 2015 • 6:04:18pm

So this showed up in my mailbox today. I’m thinking he should have gone with “Michael”

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aagcobb  Jul 30, 2015 • 6:07:26pm

re: #254 Jay C

Yeah, but Uber’s business model also, seems to be based, in part, on utilizing misleading PR (advertising) to gloss over the negatives (what a surprise!). Here in the NY media market, we’ve been barraged with TV ads for Uber - all stressing nice looking, “ordinary” folks (women and POC) happy as clams to finally get ride service in their “outlying” areas - and specifically bashing Mayor Bill de Blasio for caving to his “millionaire taxi-owner donors” in (AFAICT) not letting Uber operate unchecked in NYC.

Now there’s certainly several grains of truth in their claims : prejudicial pickup practices, outer-borough unavailability, corruption in the industry: all of that stuff is old news to New Yorkers: but the Uber model is hardly a panacea. Yes, having to rely on yellow/green cabs or black car services for road transit is very often a PITA: but the notion that the best alternative is just some guy with a car and a cellphone app is dubious, to say the least.

Eventually there will be fleets of electric self driving cars. Until then better funded public transportation is the best option.

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#FergusonFireside  Jul 30, 2015 • 6:07:51pm

CNN has on the 70’s. This episode deals with hijackings & the Olympic massacre in 1972.

This show is best for it’s old news clips.

Highly suggest watching.

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Decatur Deb  Jul 30, 2015 • 6:10:29pm

re: #251 Aunty Entity Dragon

That kind of insurance is amazingly prohibitive (it can be thousands of dollars per year)

The class action lawsuit I am joining addresses some of this. We are treated like employees in many respects, but we pay everything out of pocket and we accept all of the risk while UBER hides behind a two dollar an hour “contracter” in India who is trying to find the right cut and paste menu for our inquiries.

Assuming you are not covered by state worker’s comp insurance, then? If not, make sure that your ‘normal’ health insurance will cover an injury. There could be a gray area under some state insurance codes.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jul 30, 2015 • 6:10:35pm

re: #256 aagcobb

Eventually there will be fleets of electric self driving cars. Until then better funded public transportation is the best option.

Hmmmm. I wonder whether self-driving cars will survive the first successful hack?

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Decatur Deb  Jul 30, 2015 • 6:12:00pm

re: #256 aagcobb

Eventually there will be fleets of electric self driving cars. Until then better funded public transportation is the best option.

NYC’s first subway was actually vacuum-driven, like one of the tubes that used to zip paperwork through department stores and offices.

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Feline Fearless Leader  Jul 30, 2015 • 6:12:29pm

re: #259 Blind Frog Belly White

Hmmmm. I wonder whether self-driving cars will survive the first successful hack?

Are an irritated R-Nold ripping their controls out.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Jul 30, 2015 • 6:12:34pm

re: #260 Decatur Deb

NYC’s first subway was actually vacuum-driven, like one of the tubes that used to zip paperwork through department stores and offices.

Did you enjoy riding on it?

/ducks

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Decatur Deb  Jul 30, 2015 • 6:12:56pm

re: #259 Blind Frog Belly White

Hmmmm. I wonder whether self-driving cars will survive the first successful hack?

They’ll be very safe up there on their cinder blocks.

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#FergusonFireside  Jul 30, 2015 • 6:13:21pm

Seriously, they are on the IRA now.

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Decatur Deb  Jul 30, 2015 • 6:13:45pm

re: #262 klys (maker of Silmarils)

Did you enjoy riding on it?

/ducks

I do remember the little tubes in Kaufmann’s.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Jul 30, 2015 • 6:14:24pm

re: #265 Decatur Deb

I do remember the little tubes in Kaufmann’s.

The bank my parents used when I was young had one in the outer lane of the drive-through.

I think some hospitals still use them too.

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PhillyPretzel  Jul 30, 2015 • 6:15:50pm

I have seen those vacuum type tubes at Wegmans. I am not sure what they use them for but they are there.

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Decatur Deb  Jul 30, 2015 • 6:16:10pm

re: #266 klys (maker of Silmarils)

The bank my parents used when I was young had one in the outer lane of the drive-through.

I think some hospitals still use them too.

Ah! They are resurrected in the systems linking the drive-through banks and pharmacies.

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aagcobb  Jul 30, 2015 • 6:16:29pm

re: #260 Decatur Deb

NYC’s first subway was actually vacuum-driven, like one of the tubes that used to zip paperwork through department stores and offices.

Here is a story about the ancient tech in the NY City subway system.

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SteveMcGaziBolaGate  Jul 30, 2015 • 6:16:48pm

They still use the tubes at Home Depot. And at hospitals when they shoot samples to the lab

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Decatur Deb  Jul 30, 2015 • 6:19:02pm

re: #269 aagcobb

Here is a story about the ancient tech in the NY City subway system.

Yeah. And nothing in the world does the job the NY subway does.

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The Vicious Babushka  Jul 30, 2015 • 6:22:57pm

Power was out for 3 hours. DTE is not saying why. Perfectly clear weather.

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Decatur Deb  Jul 30, 2015 • 6:27:01pm

re: #266 klys (maker of Silmarils)

Here’s a 6 minute vid of a few hundred men and women setting a world record. (It’s held for 10 years.) They cooperate and trust each other totally, or else they die.

…

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Aunty Entity Dragon  Jul 30, 2015 • 6:27:48pm

re: #254 Jay C

The availibility issue can be real enough (I actually get a lot of calls to the poorer east end of Greensboro, and I take a lot of folks to and from work).

However.

The UBER model supposedly just links drivers and riders and does not manipulate the market environment.

Bullshit. I saw reports two days ago that UBERX drivers like me in Texas were all blacklisted out of the app at a concert while UBER LIMO and UBER SUV all were prioritized to do surge pickups.

I know that I sat for three hours (midnight to 3 AM)in the middle of downtown Greensboro on the night of July 4…the second highest traffic night of the year and I didn’t get one fucking call while taxis were so thick they actually could not to or from the clubs. Blacklisting is real if you are UBERX…and connecting the nearest rider to the rider is bullshit. I get connected real quick if the rider is on the “bad side of town”. I don’t get a damned thing if the rider is 30 feet away but it’s a popular club night.

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Smith25's Liberal Thighs  Jul 30, 2015 • 6:29:30pm

re: #266 klys (maker of Silmarils)

The bank my parents used when I was young had one in the outer lane of the drive-through.

I think some hospitals still use them too.

The PNC bank branch I use still has them

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RealityBasedSteve  Jul 30, 2015 • 6:31:48pm

I just have to say that it seems like LG is being a lot better behaved on my tab tablet. Much more responsive and smooth scrolling.

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Aunty Entity Dragon  Jul 30, 2015 • 6:31:49pm

re: #275 Smith25’s Liberal Thighs

The PNC bank branch I use still has them

Some banks here still use them.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jul 30, 2015 • 6:32:25pm

re: #274 Aunty Entity Dragon

What exactly is UBERX?

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DodgerFan1988  Jul 30, 2015 • 6:32:48pm

Right Wing comments defends Cincinnati cop charged in the murder of a black driver.theblaze.com

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The Vicious Babushka  Jul 30, 2015 • 6:33:27pm

re: #277 Aunty Entity Dragon

Aunty while you are here, I would like you to recommend some Celtic music albums. I am a Baroque listener. The classical station that I listen to played some Celtic tracks and I liked them, so what do you recommend, for a classical listener?

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Aunty Entity Dragon  Jul 30, 2015 • 6:34:08pm

re: #278 Eclectic Cyborg

What exactly is UBERX?

Discount UBER…which is most UBER drivers.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jul 30, 2015 • 6:34:31pm

MS GOP rep campaigns on pro Confederate Flag platform

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jul 30, 2015 • 6:36:18pm

re: #281 Aunty Entity Dragon

Discount UBER…which is most UBER drivers.

Ahh ok. Honestly I fucking hate UBER. I know they treat their drivers poorly and could really give a shit less about their riders.

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Higgs Boson's Mate  Jul 30, 2015 • 6:37:39pm

re: #260 Decatur Deb

NYC’s first subway was actually vacuum-driven, like one of the tubes that used to zip paperwork through department stores and offices.

I heard it sucked.

285
The Vicious Babushka  Jul 30, 2015 • 6:42:11pm

Dana Loesch is drunk tweeting again.

Not embedding, to spare your sanity.

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Aunty Entity Dragon  Jul 30, 2015 • 6:42:26pm

re: #280 The Vicious Babushka

Aunty while you are here, I would like you to recommend some Celtic music albums. I am a Baroque listener. The classical station that I listen to played some Celtic tracks and I liked them, so what do you recommend, for a classical listener?

Oh my! :)

Emily Mitchell’s Irish Harp Songs
amazon.com
This is the CD that started me playing the harp. Brian Boru is frakking mind blowing.

Altan (The premier Northern Ireland band) Island Angel
amazon.com

The Glory Reel/The Heathery Cruach will take the top of your head off. Altan has so much fantastic material out there.

Connie Dover Somebody
amazon.com

Plaintive and lovely. You will listen to this for years. I have. Cantus is one of the most beautiful things I have ever heard, anywhere, and Connie’s voice is a treasure for all of humanity.

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Aunty Entity Dragon  Jul 30, 2015 • 6:43:57pm

re: #280 The Vicious Babushka

Can I send you a list of what I have that you might like? This could take awhile…

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Decatur Deb  Jul 30, 2015 • 6:45:04pm

re: #284 Higgs Boson’s Mate

I heard it sucked.

Actually, it blew. The experiment failed because the giant exhaust fans that pulled the vacuum shot the water from a fountain and a shitton of NY crap far into the air with each cycle.

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The Vicious Babushka  Jul 30, 2015 • 6:45:06pm

re: #287 Aunty Entity Dragon

Can I send you a list of what I have that you might like? This could take awhile…

I prefer instrumental, but Lorena McKennit is exquisite.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jul 30, 2015 • 6:46:03pm

re: #289 The Vicious Babushka

I prefer instrumental, but Lorena McKennit is exquisite.

I was listening to the Mummers Dance a few days ago for the first time in years. One of Canada’s underrated artists IMO.

291
LastYearsMan  Jul 30, 2015 • 6:46:33pm

re: #157 Blind Frog Belly White

I don’t understand why there’s men’s and women’s badminton. And table tennis.

(Sorry for the late post, but I just read the thread and that is long been something I’ve wondered about).

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The Vicious Babushka  Jul 30, 2015 • 6:47:56pm

re: #287 Aunty Entity Dragon

Can I send you a list of what I have that you might like? This could take awhile…

Island Angel added to the MP3 list :)

More, I want more!

293
Feline Fearless Leader  Jul 30, 2015 • 6:48:08pm

re: #291 LastYearsMan

I don’t understand why there’s men’s and women’s badminton. And table tennis.

(Sorry for the late post, but I just read the thread and that is long been something I’ve wondered about).

Delicate male egos.

294
Decatur Deb  Jul 30, 2015 • 6:49:45pm

re: #289 The Vicious Babushka

I prefer instrumental, but Lorena McKennit is exquisite.

She favors “Colonel Loreena McKennit, RCAF”. She is honorary colonel of a search-and-rescue squadron that she has long supported.

rcaf-arc.forces.gc.ca

295
Chan Kobun  Jul 30, 2015 • 6:51:37pm

re: #284 Higgs Boson’s Mate

I heard it sucked.

re: #288 Decatur Deb

Actually, it blew.

wiki.teamfortress.com

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jul 30, 2015 • 6:51:40pm

re: #294 Decatur Deb

She favors “Colonel Loreena McKennit, RCAF”. She is honorary colonel of a search-and-rescue squadron that she has long supported.

rcaf-arc.forces.gc.ca

That is awesome.

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Aunty Entity Dragon  Jul 30, 2015 • 6:51:42pm

re: #292 The Vicious Babushka

Island Angel added to the MP3 list :)

More, I want more!

I have to sit down and examine my Celtic library…and I have some material I still haven’t even listened to yet! The cd collection is pretty extensive.

298
LastYearsMan  Jul 30, 2015 • 6:52:25pm

re: #73 De Kolta Chair

I missed one of my favorite episodes from the novels, Tom B. rescuing the hobbits from the barrow-wight, not being in the first movie, but that would have meant including Tom, so I don’t mind it not being in the movie. ;-)

I’m sure Peter Jackson is even now in the middle of turning the missing Tom B. stuff into a three-part, 9-hour sfx extravaganza. Because his take on The Hobbit was just too modest and subtle.

(Since I’m already posting late responses…)

299
Decatur Deb  Jul 30, 2015 • 6:55:54pm

re: #296 Eclectic Cyborg

That is awesome.

Kind of thing that makes you want to go Canadian. (Looks around the forlorn swamp and its battleflags.)

300
Aunty Entity Dragon  Jul 30, 2015 • 6:56:08pm

re: #298 LastYearsMan

I’m sure Peter Jackson is even now in the middle of turning the missing Tom B. stuff into a three-part, 9-hour sfx extravaganza. Because his take on The Hobbit was just too modest and subtle.

(Since I’m already posting late responses…)

Tom Bombadil’s adventures would take more than that, I would imagine. Some folks peg him as a Maia “gone native”, although his exact nature seems unknowable.

301
Eclectic Cyborg  Jul 30, 2015 • 6:57:05pm

re: #299 Decatur Deb

Kind of thing that makes you want to go Canadian. (Looks around the forlorn swamp and its battleflags.)

It really is like a breath of fresh air up there. I miss it all the time.

302
RealityBasedSteve  Jul 30, 2015 • 6:57:23pm

re: #298 LastYearsMan

I’m sure Peter Jackson is even now in the middle of turning the missing Tom B. stuff into a three-part, 9-hour sfx extravaganza. Because his take on The Hobbit was just too modest and subtle.

(Since I’m already posting late responses…)

I always thought Tom B. was a very curious character, and one that left questions in my brain. That he handled the ring, wasn’t affected by it, and as Gandolf said “it would be of no interest to him, and he might well lose it” (or something like that).

RBS

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Decatur Deb  Jul 30, 2015 • 6:58:53pm

re: #301 Eclectic Cyborg

It really is like a breath of fresh air up there. I miss it all the time.

It was the overpass honors on the Highway of Heroes that did it for me. And we still owe them a drink for the embassy hostage stunt.

304
Amory Blaine  Jul 30, 2015 • 6:59:59pm

re: #294 Decatur Deb

I followed this guys recovery back when I made a few jumps.

deadmike.com

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Charles Johnson  Jul 30, 2015 • 7:00:27pm
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Decatur Deb  Jul 30, 2015 • 7:01:54pm

re: #304 Amory Blaine

I followed this guys recovery back when I made a few jumps.

deadmike.com

Ouch. Never saw more than a couple broken legs and hips.

307
Charles Johnson  Jul 30, 2015 • 7:04:02pm

re: #304 Amory Blaine

Believe it or not - I know Mike Vederman, from back in the Atari developer days. We were sort of semi-friendly rivals.

308
Charles Johnson  Jul 30, 2015 • 7:05:33pm
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RealityBasedSteve  Jul 30, 2015 • 7:06:49pm

re: #308 Charles Johnson

[Embedded content]

I can’t hear you over the sound of my own intestines jumping out and strangling me.

RBS

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Decatur Deb  Jul 30, 2015 • 7:08:17pm

re: #308 Charles Johnson

[Embedded content]

Please, please, please let them try.

(The new format is really much better, especially after I occulted the right third of the screen with duct tape. Used coppertone, to get a nice steampunk vibe.)

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austin_blue  Jul 30, 2015 • 7:11:06pm

re: #165 Eric The Fruit Bat

These clowns have no idea. The miscarriage rates alone are staggering, and now some of these political yahoos want to force that upon a miscarriage to have the government issue a “Certificate of Live Death”. WTF?

It’s the “you have a murderous uterus” syndrome that is prevalent among the more extreme nut cases on the Right. It’s just another form of the blatant attack on women they so love. Why did you miscarry? What did you do wrong? Should we open a murder investigation?

I’ll believe they believe it when every miscarriage gets a Christian burial in their churches. Little tiny (generally empty) micro-coffins (I didn’t grab the kitchen strainer when I started cramping! I wasn’t even sure I was pregnant with God’s gift!). Demands for tax breaks for the children that have been tragically lost.

Most fertilized ovum either don’t properly implant or are spontaneously aborted (“miscarriage” is another euphemism, that subtly blames the woman, not a medical term) during the first trimester.

It logically follows that God is the biggest abortionist in the cosmos, not Planned Parenthood.

Gasp!

312
austin_blue  Jul 30, 2015 • 7:13:12pm

re: #168 The Vicious Babushka

Shit the power is out

And yet, she posts!

All hail the Power of the Vicious Babushka!

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Charles Johnson  Jul 30, 2015 • 7:13:35pm
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Decatur Deb  Jul 30, 2015 • 7:19:10pm

re: #312 austin_blue

And yet, she posts!

All hail the Power of the Vicious Babushka!

Big deal. She’s got a couple dozen little grandkids there, cranking USB flashlights.

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goddamnedfrank  Jul 30, 2015 • 7:19:34pm

re: #291 LastYearsMan

I don’t understand why there’s men’s and women’s badminton. And table tennis.

Height and arm span is a factor in both sports.

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The Vicious Babushka  Jul 30, 2015 • 7:21:16pm

re: #312 austin_blue

And yet, she posts!

All hail the Power of the Vicious Babushka!

Battery power.

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#FergusonFireside  Jul 30, 2015 • 7:24:46pm

re: #308 Charles Johnson

[Embedded content]

Millions of dollars in every house. Tomorrow!!!!!!! It will be bigger than those losers thought, it will be better than those dummy’s said, it will be huuuuuuuuuuuge.

I do not trust the American electorate.

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Ace-o-aces  Jul 30, 2015 • 7:25:17pm
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Decatur Deb  Jul 30, 2015 • 7:26:37pm

re: #317 #FergusonFireside

Millions of dollars in every house. Tomorrow!!!!!!! It will be bigger than those losers thought, it will be better than those dummy’s said, it will be huuuuuuuuuuuge.

I do not trust the American electorate.

It’s all we got.

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jaunte  Jul 30, 2015 • 7:37:36pm

Trump voter:

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TedStriker  Jul 30, 2015 • 7:41:48pm

re: #284 Higgs Boson’s Mate

I heard it sucked.

And blew.

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Bird in the Paw  Jul 30, 2015 • 8:04:36pm

re: #266 klys (maker of Silmarils)

The bank my parents used when I was young had one in the outer lane of the drive-through.

My bank still uses them at the drive through

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Mrxenophobe  Jul 31, 2015 • 9:58:21am

Ah, the good old Gamergate excuse, “obviously they hacked themselves”. Good to see that’s apparently just a general right wing excuse, and not something specific to them.

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wrenchwench  Jul 31, 2015 • 11:34:57am

re: #323 Mrxenophobe

Welcome, hatchling.


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