Sunday Jam: Terence Blanchard's Tribute to Michael Brown, Eric Garner, Et Al

Sunday Jam: Terence Blanchard’s Tribute to Michael Brown, Eric Garner, Et Al

Speaking out through music

MusicAugust 2015 • Views: 63,050

When he started to make the music that appears on his new album, trumpeter Terence Blanchard wasn’t thinking of Eric Garner, Michael Brown or any of the other recent high-profile police killings of African-Americans. He was thinking of desired collaborators: Donald Ramsey, a bassist and high-school classmate; Oscar Seaton, a drummer with whom he’d worked on film projects; Fabian Almazan, the pianist of his other band; and Charles Altura, a guitarist he’d encountered online. And he was thinking about a sound different from the left-center jazz quintet he leads: something overtly funky, with electric bass and guitar and processing and human voices and dance grooves.

As the E-Collective came together — both as a band and in terms of its repertoire — it took on another guiding light. Blanchard, no stranger to political statements, saw the music as an opportunity to speak out on current events he was unable to ignore, especially as a black man. The eventual recording came to be a commentary on the treatment of minorities by American law enforcement, in the vein of the #blacklivesmatter movement. The album’s title references Eric Garner’s last words, “I can’t breathe”; it’s called Breathless.

The heavy and the party recently came together for a week-long run at a jazz club in D.C., though the mood was much more on the party side when the E-Collective stopped at NPR headquarters. The mood was relaxed and jovial from the time the group stepped into the lobby, with Englishman Chris Bailey supplying plenty of backbeats on our house drum set — though there was a moment toward the end of the set when Blanchard casually explained the project, setting up a lyrical, almost elegiac solo. This music was a modern update on jazz fusion, sure, but also one where we dance to ward off despair.

Set List
“Soldiers”
“Confident Selflessness”
“Breathless”

Credits
Producers: Patrick Jarenwattananon, Morgan Walker; Audio Engineer: Brian Jarboe; Videographers: Morgan Walker, Adam Wolffbrandt, Lani Milton; Assistant Producer: Elena Saavedra Buckley; photo by Lani Milton/NPR

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Nyet Aug 9, 2015 • 1:52:10pm

theguardian.com

Scotland being stupid.

b_sharp Aug 9, 2015 • 1:59:09pm

re: #1 Nyet

theguardian.com

Scotland being stupid.

Don’t want their corn to start tasting like snake and hissing at them in the store.

b_sharp Aug 9, 2015 • 2:08:05pm

Would I have to go all the way to Russia?

ObserverArt Aug 9, 2015 • 2:13:10pm

Good jams for a Sunday afternoon. Gonna start over and blast this throughout the house as I work.

Nyet Aug 9, 2015 • 2:16:39pm

re: #3 b_sharp

Would I have to go all the way to Russia?

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Yes. Bring all your money.

b_sharp Aug 9, 2015 • 2:18:10pm

re: #5 Nyet

Yes. Bring all your money.

$42.35

SteveMcGaziBolaGate Aug 9, 2015 • 2:18:29pm

re: #3 b_sharp

They must be twentysomethings.

JadeHelmCurious Aug 9, 2015 • 2:19:00pm

re: #5 Nyet

Yes. Bring all your money.

(throws some side eye)

SteveMcGaziBolaGate Aug 9, 2015 • 2:19:14pm

Or a twentysomething face attached to a thirtysomething body.

Nyet Aug 9, 2015 • 2:19:17pm

re: #6 b_sharp

$42.35

You very rich man. It’s 10000000 rubles.

Shiplord Kirel Aug 9, 2015 • 2:22:04pm

re: #5 Nyet

Yes. Bring all your money.

Or a big cache of national security secrets. Some good, marketable conspiracy theories and a proven record of RWNJ lunatic incitement might work too.

BlueSpotinAL Aug 9, 2015 • 2:22:19pm

re: #6 b_sharp

$42.35

Just don’t bring cheese. They have so much cheese that they are steamrolling it.

SteveMcGaziBolaGate Aug 9, 2015 • 2:24:16pm

I was listening to a discussion of the Nigerian email scam. Even though it looks so silly it’s quite sophisticated. It can’t be too clever that only smart people bite, only to back out later when they realize wassup. It can’t be too stupid that only people with little money give it a go. It has to walk a fine line to get people gullible enough to nibble, yet still have enough money worth stealing.

Bubblehead II Aug 9, 2015 • 2:29:13pm

Thanks to a racist I had to do a lot of reporting today. My latest for ppl of East Lansing: http://t.co/Tys3STqjGt pic.twitter.com/Z0NwPc03D3

— Alice Dreger (@AliceDreger) August 9, 2015

Nyet Aug 9, 2015 • 2:30:40pm

re: #13 SteveMcGaziBolaGate

I posted a link to a Microsoft study about that a week or two ago.

SteveMcGaziBolaGate Aug 9, 2015 • 2:32:14pm

re: #15 Nyet

It’s coming back to me. It was an NPR report about that study.

SteveMcGaziBolaGate Aug 9, 2015 • 2:32:49pm

re: #15 Nyet

I posted a link to a Microsoft study about that a week or two ago.

So, uh, what did you tell Microsoft exactly?

Shiplord Kirel Aug 9, 2015 • 2:42:37pm

re: #13 SteveMcGaziBolaGate

I was listening to a discussion of the Nigerian email scam. Even though it looks so silly it’s quite sophisticated. It can’t be too clever that only smart people bite, only to back out later when they realize wassup. It can’t be too stupid that only people with little money give it a go. It has to walk a fine line to get people gullible enough to nibble, yet still have enough money worth stealing.

British chatterata Polly Toynbee blamed George W. Bush and “Texas oil industry values” when she lost money in a Nigerian scam a few years ago.

The image of capitalism now being spread about the world is cowboy stuff: little gleaned from America extols the virtue of regulation, restraint and control. We reap from the third world what we sow: if some Nigerians learned lessons in capitalism from global oil companies that helped corrupt and despoil that land, it is hardly surpising they absorbed some of the Texan oil values that now rule the White House.

British capitalists ~~pillaged~~ ruled Nigeria for a hundred years and created its legal and educational systems, but I guess their gentlemanly form of capitalism just didn’t take with the locals.

It goes without saying that many RWNJs believe Obama is the instigator; indeed, the likely kingpin; of the current crop of Nigerian scammers.

SteveMcGaziBolaGate Aug 9, 2015 • 2:45:02pm

re: #18 Shiplord Kirel

I would get actual paper letters, postmarked in Lagos, back in the nineties. Must have been a lot more expensive to do it that way.

The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge Aug 9, 2015 • 2:48:50pm

re: #18 Shiplord Kirel

British chatterata Polly Toynbee blamed George W. Bush and “Texas oil industry values” when she lost money in a Nigerian scam a few years ago.

British capitalists ~~pillaged~~ ruled Nigeria for a hundred years and created its legal and educational systems, but I guess their gentlemanly form of capitalism just didn’t take with the locals.

It goes without saying that many RWNJs believe Obama is the instigator; indeed, the likely kingpin; of the current crop of Nigerian scammers.

I’m told the first multinational corporation, and the one the international oil companies modeled themselves on, was Coleman’s Mustard….

b_sharp Aug 9, 2015 • 2:51:39pm

Wait. You mean the Nigerian email I got is part of a scam?

I guess that’s why I haven’t heard back for 4 years.

SteveMcGaziBolaGate Aug 9, 2015 • 2:53:11pm

I don’t get the Nigerian emails. Does that mean I’m a nobody now?

PhillyPretzel Aug 9, 2015 • 2:54:09pm

re: #22 SteveMcGaziBolaGate

I do not get those emails. If I did they would be deleted.

SteveMcGaziBolaGate Aug 9, 2015 • 2:56:26pm

re: #23 PhillyPretzel

The overwhelming majority of my email is junk anyway, and I delete it as fast as it comes in, but I think I would have seen it on the subject line during its brief existence on my screen.

Higgs Boson's Mate Aug 9, 2015 • 2:57:42pm

San Onofre State Beach, a couple of hours ago.

The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge Aug 9, 2015 • 3:07:28pm

Bungling Branchburg burglar butt dials 911, cops say

Higgs Boson's Mate Aug 9, 2015 • 3:11:42pm

re: #26 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

Prison moniker: “Smooth Move.”

JadeHelmCurious Aug 9, 2015 • 3:12:22pm

re: #26 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

What a dumb ass.

blueraven Aug 9, 2015 • 3:13:45pm

So proud of mr. blue today.

He is Catholic; goes to mass every Sunday and all holy days of obligation, even played guitar for church choir for many years. He doesnt bring it home, church is church and he is one of the quietly faithful. That said, abortion is still a difficult issue for him.

But today, as I was cleaning the car I saw a receipt where he had made a small cash donation to Planned Parenthood. I asked him about it and he laughed and said, yeah but I gave your email address, so you will get all the emails asking for more money.

plansbandc Aug 9, 2015 • 3:17:57pm

Some idiocy from my FB.

blueraven Aug 9, 2015 • 3:19:19pm

re: #30 plansbandc

Some idiocy from my FB.

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That makes no sense at all.

The Mountain That Blogs Aug 9, 2015 • 3:20:12pm

re: #31 blueraven

As everyone knows, there was no medical malpractice before Obamacare came along.

Eclectic Cyborg Aug 9, 2015 • 3:21:51pm

re: #30 plansbandc

How about that? Here’s some from mine:

blueraven Aug 9, 2015 • 3:22:02pm

re: #32 The Mountain That Blogs

As everyone knows, there was no medical malpractice before Obamacare came along.

That’s a fact!

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Backwoods_Sleuth Aug 9, 2015 • 3:22:34pm

re: #33 Eclectic Cyborg

But the Berlin Wall as soooo evil…

These people.
smh

Decatur Deb Aug 9, 2015 • 3:22:46pm

re: #32 The Mountain That Blogs

As everyone knows, there was no medical malpractice before Obamacare came along.

And Obama pays for all medical care. ….Now there’s an idea.

Eclectic Cyborg Aug 9, 2015 • 3:23:50pm

Because the Israeli border is EXACTLY the fucking same as the U.S./Mexico border. Nope no size and terrain disparities here…

Decatur Deb Aug 9, 2015 • 3:24:43pm

re: #33 Eclectic Cyborg

Needs moar catapult.

Lidane Aug 9, 2015 • 3:25:33pm

*facepalm*

Ted Cruz wants STATES to try to impose their own Iran sanctions: http://t.co/hHQmRZUc5x

— Niels Lesniewski (@nielslesniewski) August 9, 2015

retired cynic Aug 9, 2015 • 3:26:13pm

re: #39 Lidane

Dear Lord, that makes negative sense!

The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge Aug 9, 2015 • 3:26:19pm

re: #37 Eclectic Cyborg

Because the Israeli border is EXACTLY the fucking same as the U.S./Mexico border. Nope no size and terrain disparities here…

Well, considering the fractal nature of the boundaries in The West Bank, the border could well be of a higher Hausdorff dimension than the US/Mexican border…then all bets are off.

Cheechako Aug 9, 2015 • 3:27:04pm

re: #30 plansbandc

Some idiocy from my FB.

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da math, it is sew hard

Backwoods_Sleuth Aug 9, 2015 • 3:28:31pm

re: #30 plansbandc

Some idiocy from my FB.

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nice that they are saying modern sporting rifles are assault rifles….

Jenner7 Aug 9, 2015 • 3:29:06pm

re: #39 Lidane

That can’t be rea….oh dear, it is.

The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge Aug 9, 2015 • 3:29:34pm

From PZ’s joint:

blueraven Aug 9, 2015 • 3:30:08pm

Rand Paul on Fox News Sunday: income inequality is because you work harder and sell more stuff than the other guy.

I don’t have the words for this.

Kid A Aug 9, 2015 • 3:33:44pm

re: #39 Lidane

STATES RIGHTS!!!

blueraven Aug 9, 2015 • 3:33:57pm

re: #43 Backwoods_Sleuth

nice that they are saying modern sporting rifles are assault rifles….

Don’t tell D_F!

Decatur Deb Aug 9, 2015 • 3:35:08pm

re: #47 Kid A

STATES RIGHTS!!!

BDS

Lidane Aug 9, 2015 • 3:36:14pm

re: #46 blueraven

I don’t have the words for this.

I do. Rand’s a heartless asshole.

Jenner7 Aug 9, 2015 • 3:40:29pm

Watching TWD Season 3

Click to Reveal

Can’t say it enough: Andrea is a dumb ass.

Blind Frog Belly White Aug 9, 2015 • 3:40:51pm

My internet got flaky two threads back, so I went for a ride. Is SteveMcGaziBolaGate still wrong?
///////////////////////////Just funnin’ ya!

Nice ride, but windy as all-get-out over at Canada Rd (for you Peninsulans). Places where I can often hit 28 mph, I struggled to reach 22 mph. OTOH, I hit 44.1 mph at one point, according to my cyclocomputer. The combination of good wheels, a tailwind, and being ‘gravity enhanced’, not to mention hitting all the lights just right. Strava thinks I only managed 43.4, but it averages over longer intervals, so I’m going with 44.1.

Now I need a shower, a snack, and a nap.

Backwoods_Sleuth Aug 9, 2015 • 3:41:10pm

re: #51 Jenner7

Me, too.
And I agree.

The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge Aug 9, 2015 • 3:42:13pm

re: #50 Lidane

I do. Rand’s a heartless asshole.

I guess he’s never seen people literally working themselves to death for not enough to live on. Well, I have. Fuck Off and Die in a Fire, Rand.

(Yes, I know there’s an acronym, but I wanted to spell it out.)

Targetpractice Aug 9, 2015 • 3:42:17pm

re: #33 Eclectic Cyborg

How about that? Here’s some from mine:

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Not show: The hundreds of miles of simple razor-wired topped chain-link fence that surrounds those sections of Israel that don’t border “disputed territories.”

Targetpractice Aug 9, 2015 • 3:47:18pm

The thread’s dead, Jim. You get his tricorder, I’ll get his wallet.

Higgs Boson's Mate Aug 9, 2015 • 3:48:51pm

re: #56 Targetpractice

Why is it always the one in the red shirt?

Backwoods_Sleuth Aug 9, 2015 • 3:49:24pm

re: #57 Higgs Boson’s Mate

Why is it always the one in the red shirt?

Liberal media

Decatur Deb Aug 9, 2015 • 3:49:44pm

Things I Learned at Freep:

Why Scott Walker must be our next president

(Not linking to FR or the WND assholes who paid this clown, Monckton. Interesting use of the word “our”.)

Targetpractice Aug 9, 2015 • 3:49:58pm

re: #57 Higgs Boson’s Mate

Why is it always the one in the red shirt?

His name’s not in the opening credits.

Decatur Deb Aug 9, 2015 • 3:51:08pm

re: #59 Decatur Deb

Edited to add the author—freakn’ Monckton.

The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge Aug 9, 2015 • 3:51:15pm

re: #57 Higgs Boson’s Mate

Why is it always the one in the red shirt?

Not always—remember somewhere between the Old Show and The Next Generation, red and baby-shit-yellow traded roles.

bratwurst Aug 9, 2015 • 3:52:07pm

Your misleading Drudge tweet of the day:

Carly and Cruz Surge… http://t.co/SW0ySvj7YI

— DRUDGE REPORT (@DRUDGE_REPORT) August 9, 2015

Link is to a National Review story that includes Carly Fiorina’s claim that she has “seen an uptick in financial support”. This could, of course, mean the difference between $10 and $100. An NBC survey is also cited that seems to show her and Cruz gained the most support for their debate performances, although both are way WAY behind Trump.

That is not any definition of “surge” I have ever heard.

Targetpractice Aug 9, 2015 • 3:53:37pm

re: #63 bratwurst

Your misleading Drudge tweet of the day:

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Link is to a National Review story that includes Carly Fiorina’s claim that she has “seen an uptick in financial support”. This could, of course, mean the difference between $10 and $100. An NBC survey is also cited that seems to show her and Cruz gained the most support for their debate performances, although both are way WAY behind Trump.

That is not any definition of “surge” I have ever heard.

The same dead cat bounce that the “liberal media” tried to trumpet for Willard after the ‘12 RNC.

The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge Aug 9, 2015 • 3:53:48pm

re: #63 bratwurst

That is not any definition of “surge” I have ever heard.

TEH SURGE WORKED!!11!!

Jenner7 Aug 9, 2015 • 3:53:54pm

kids killed in texas: “two girls and four boys, were ages 13, 11, 10, 9, 7 and 6” http://t.co/5UY9bSgBI9

— Oliver Willis (@owillis) August 9, 2015

Damn.

retired cynic Aug 9, 2015 • 3:56:57pm

re: #66 Jenner7

That was being talked about earlier on the news radio. :<

Belafon Aug 9, 2015 • 3:56:58pm

re: #14 Bubblehead II

There was an interesting statement in the article. The police told the protesters they couldn’t hand out flyers. Is that legal?

Blind Frog Belly White Aug 9, 2015 • 3:57:09pm

I found this on the last thread (not asked by a Lizard, obviously):

Stay on point, the only question was, why did man evolve to speak & walk & drive & chimps didn’t?

Why do Creationists always act as though all of Evolution is aimed at recreating humanity? We already HAVE humans. We don’t need another species to fill that niche. Indeed, we had to kill off the last one to claim the spot ourselves.

ETA: The other answer is, “They did. You are one.”

Eclectic Cyborg Aug 9, 2015 • 3:57:21pm

re: #57 Higgs Boson’s Mate

Why is it always the one in the red shirt?

jaunte Aug 9, 2015 • 3:59:36pm

re: #68 Belafon

It’s that time-tested tactic of making up laws for your own convenience.

MSU Constitutional scholar Michael Lawrence, J.D., came down to the protest and spoke with police officers about the question of whether or not the protestors could hand out their leaflets. (Lawrence is a board member of ELi.) Lawrence informed the police that the law is unequivocal on the right.

Lawrence later noted that another leafletter at the Festival, whom I subsequently identified as Yvonne LeFave, was handing out papers advertising the Old Town General Store without harassment from the police. I spoke with LeFave and she confirmed this, and said that when she had checked with festival organizers, she was told there was no permit required and individuals were free to hand out flyers. Lawrence told me that this showed the protesters enjoyed the same rights as others to leaflet without being stopped by police.

wheat-dogghazi-mailgate Aug 9, 2015 • 4:01:12pm

Listening to this now:
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Senri Kawaguchi: LOVER COME BACK TO ME - Yukiko Onishi (Sax) - Mana Imanaga (Bass) - Shoko Nagasaki (Keys)

Belafon Aug 9, 2015 • 4:01:28pm

re: #71 jaunte

Thanks. I must have missed that in the article. Yes, it’s long, but I still managed to miss it.

bratwurst Aug 9, 2015 • 4:05:44pm

Gee, and here I would have thought his condemnation of abortion in the cases of rape or incest put him over with the electorate!

Marco Rubio is now polling at 7%—-in Florida. http://t.co/uBaruR6v0C #marcomentum

— Eric Boehlert (@EricBoehlert) August 9, 2015

William Lewis Aug 9, 2015 • 4:07:26pm

re: #70 Eclectic Cyborg

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Makes me remember that Doohan went ashore at Juno beach before being wounded by friendly fire. Later he would slalom a plane between mountainside telegraph poles “to prove it could be done”. Hell of a man.

Eclectic Cyborg Aug 9, 2015 • 4:08:01pm

re: #74 bratwurst

The fact that Rubio has the charisma of a rotting sardine can may have something to do with that.

Jenner7 Aug 9, 2015 • 4:09:18pm

ksl.com story about Trump’s sexist comments are like the Mormon version of Freep. Yikes!

Eventual Carrion Aug 9, 2015 • 4:09:38pm

On my Acer Android tablet, everytime i do an upding it takes me back to the main page

The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge Aug 9, 2015 • 4:16:04pm

re: #78 Eventual Carrion

On my Acer Android tablet, everytime i do an upding it takes me back to the main page

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge Aug 9, 2015 • 4:17:44pm

re: #74 bratwurst

Gee, and here I would have thought his condemnation of abortion in the cases of rape or incest put him over with the electorate!

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But nominating him would guarantee Florida, and hence the election, I was told! I’m so confused!

Timothy Watson Aug 9, 2015 • 4:18:51pm

re: #78 Eventual Carrion

On my Acer Android tablet, everytime i do an upding it takes me back to the main page

That happens to me on multiple devices when my internet is being slow and (probably) hasn’t finished downloading the JavaScript file for the page.

Poligeek Aug 9, 2015 • 4:19:04pm

re: #74 bratwurst

Gee, and here I would have thought his condemnation of abortion in the cases of rape or incest put him over with the electorate!

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Let me be one of the first to say, as a native Floridian - HA HA </Nelson Muntz>

I just want to continue to watch The Donald run roughshod over the rest of their sad bunch of candidates - primarily for the fact that its shredding the GOP from the inside out - but also, admittedly, for the lols. The worse the guy gets to, like, normal and rational people - the more the crazy base eats it up. Keep going, Donald - don’t let em get a word in edgewise!

To me, the funniest thing about all this is that about 95% of the coverage any other Republican candidate is getting right now is them having to respond to a question about Trump - I’m going to guess Reince didn’t quite plan things out this way :)

Blind Frog Belly White Aug 9, 2015 • 4:21:02pm

re: #80 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

But nominating him would guarantee Florida, and hence the election, I was told! I’m so confused!

Well, you know, blacks and latinos either always vote for one of their own, or they’re so corrupt and stupid they vote for whoever gives them free stuff. So if we nominate a black guy or a latino, we get all those votes, just like when we put a woman on the ticket, we got all the lady votes.

Hey, wait a second….

SteveMcGaziBolaGate Aug 9, 2015 • 4:22:24pm

Next debate isn’t until September 16, and it’s another split squad event.

The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge Aug 9, 2015 • 4:22:32pm

re: #82 Poligeek

All I want is for Trump to run third-party, and the GOP to come in third…is that too much to ask?

Serious question, though: Can one of the two parties in a two-party system survive coming in third in a presidential election? Thoughts?

The Vicious Babushka Aug 9, 2015 • 4:22:37pm

Challah @KosherSoul @JihadiJew pic.twitter.com/VO5N973XC5

— The Vicious Babushka (@viciousbabushka) August 9, 2015

The Vicious Babushka Aug 9, 2015 • 4:22:53pm

Heirloom Tomatoes @KosherSoul @JihadiJew pic.twitter.com/zv9RbJD1S4

— The Vicious Babushka (@viciousbabushka) August 9, 2015

Blind Frog Belly White Aug 9, 2015 • 4:24:48pm

re: #86 The Vicious Babushka

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A picture is worth a thousand words, and those thousand words are all ‘Nom!’

I love challah, especially when it’s still warm.

SteveMcGaziBolaGate Aug 9, 2015 • 4:24:59pm

Mets better watch their shit. The Phillies are coming!

HappyWarrior Aug 9, 2015 • 4:25:46pm

re: #74 bratwurst

Gee, and here I would have thought his condemnation of abortion in the cases of rape or incest put him over with the electorate!

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Or comparing Obama to Trump. Rubio is a joke.

Decatur Deb Aug 9, 2015 • 4:28:41pm

re: #85 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

All I want is for Trump to run third-party, and the GOP to come in third…is that too much to ask?

Serious question, though: Can one of the two parties in a two-party system survive coming in third in a presidential election? Thoughts?

Already happened. Someone it pointed out the other day.

“In the end Roosevelt fell far short of winning. He drew 4.1 million votes—27%, well behind Wilson’s 42% but ahead of Taft’s 23%. (6% went to Socialist Eugene Debs). He received 88 electoral votes, compared to 435 for Wilson and 8 for Taft.[12]

This was nonetheless the best showing by any third party since the modern two-party system was established in 1864. Roosevelt was the only third-party candidate to outpoll a candidate of an established party.”

en.wikipedia.org

bratwurst Aug 9, 2015 • 4:30:28pm

Like most people, I never even come close to watching Chuck Todd’s Meet The Press…but I am now reading that he put on ONLINE POLL on TV this morning?

@chucktodd This is a new low, even for you. If online polls had a shred of validity, Ron Paul would be president for life by now.

— Clay C. (@ClayC1969) August 9, 2015

The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge Aug 9, 2015 • 4:31:47pm

re: #91 Decatur Deb

Already happened. Someone it pointed out the other day.

“In the end Roosevelt fell far short of winning. He drew 4.1 million votes—27%, well behind Wilson’s 42% but ahead of Taft’s 23%. (6% went to Socialist Eugene Debs). He received 88 electoral votes, compared to 435 for Wilson and 8 for Taft.[12]

This was nonetheless the best showing by any third party since the modern two-party system was established in 1864. Roosevelt was the only third-party candidate to outpoll a candidate of an established party.”

en.wikipedia.org

Touché. Kind of a special case, since Roosevelt had already served as President, as a Republican. But you’re right, the Taft wing did cement their takeover and go on.

We’d be much better off if the Bull Moose party had replaced the Republicans….

HappyWarrior Aug 9, 2015 • 4:33:40pm

re: #93 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

Touché. Kind of a special case, since Roosevelt had already served as President, as a Republican. But you’re right, the Taft wing did cement their takeover and go on.

We’d be much better off if the Bull Moose party had replaced the Republicans….

We really would have.

Decatur Deb Aug 9, 2015 • 4:33:54pm

re: #93 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

Touché. Kind of a special case, since Roosevelt had already served as President, as a Republican. But you’re right, the Taft wing did cement their takeover and go on.

We’d be much better off if the Bull Moose party had replaced the Republicans….

Pretty much. It’s time we heard from Ojoe and the Modern Whigs.

SteveMcGaziBolaGate Aug 9, 2015 • 4:33:57pm

re: #93 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

Nah. The GOP is infested with Dixiecrats who came from the Democratic Party. It doesn’t matter what the other party would have been, they would have taken over it like a toxoplasmosis.

Decatur Deb Aug 9, 2015 • 4:35:53pm

re: #96 SteveMcGaziBolaGate

Nah. The GOP is infested with Dixiecrats who came from the Democratic Party. It doesn’t matter what the other party would have been, they would have taken over it like a toxoplasmosis.

Think of the advantages if we had just renamed the parties after the Kennedy/Nixon era.

The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge Aug 9, 2015 • 4:36:07pm

re: #95 Decatur Deb

Pretty much. It’s time we heard from Ojoe and the Modern Whigs.

Meh…if you managed to sever the ~~Know-Nothing~~ Teabagger fringe from the GOP, Whigs is what you’d have left. Not a big fan….

Decatur Deb Aug 9, 2015 • 4:37:41pm

re: #98 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

Meh…if you managed to sever the ~~Know-Nothing~~ Teabagger fringe from the GOP, Whigs is what you’d have left. Not a big fan….

Ojoe was fun, and showed great determination. It was a bit like trying to rebuild the IWW.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge Aug 9, 2015 • 4:39:01pm

re: #99 Decatur Deb

Ojoe was fun, and showed great determination. It was a bit like trying to rebuild the IWW.

Well, rebuilding the IWW sounds good to me.

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bratwurst Aug 9, 2015 • 4:40:17pm

re: #95 Decatur Deb

Pretty much. It’s time we heard from Ojoe and the Modern Whigs.

I don’t think he has ever revealed if the Modern Whigs were going to continue their historic alliance with the Anti-Masonic Party. You never know if Freemasonry could still be a threat to the nation! /

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Decatur Deb Aug 9, 2015 • 4:40:22pm

Need to get in the dogwalk before tonight’s True Detective finale. Sort of a disappointment, but completionism for the win.

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Decatur Deb Aug 9, 2015 • 4:41:57pm

re: #100 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

Well, rebuilding the IWW sounds good to me.

Me too, but it has to avoid the lefty fratricide that reduced it. The BLM/Sanders crap reminds me of that.

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bratwurst Aug 9, 2015 • 4:50:52pm

It’s confirmed: Donald Trump does not own a mirror!

Trump on women who've criticized him: “It's very hard for them to attack me on looks, because I'm so good looking.” pic.twitter.com/gapK4mDBoC

— Sahil Kapur (@sahilkapur) August 9, 2015

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HappyWarrior Aug 9, 2015 • 4:51:55pm

re: #96 SteveMcGaziBolaGate

Nah. The GOP is infested with Dixiecrats who came from the Democratic Party. It doesn’t matter what the other party would have been, they would have taken over it like a toxoplasmosis.

It’s the marriage of that with the old oligarchical right that makes the GOP a craptastic party.

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HappyWarrior Aug 9, 2015 • 4:52:28pm

re: #104 bratwurst

It’s confirmed: Donald Trump does not own a mirror!

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Lol. Dude looks like a fucking troll and acts even more the part.

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HappyWarrior Aug 9, 2015 • 4:53:30pm

re: #103 Decatur Deb

Me too, but it has to avoid the lefty fratricide that reduced it. The BLM/Sanders crap reminds me of that.

Lefties gotta learn to stick together rather than flipping at differences reasonable people can disagree on.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge Aug 9, 2015 • 4:55:59pm

re: #106 HappyWarrior

Lol. Dude looks like a fucking troll and acts even more the part.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge Aug 9, 2015 • 4:57:36pm

re: #108 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

No link, because they wouldn’t let me save the image—fuck them. Just took a screenshot.

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retired cynic Aug 9, 2015 • 4:58:14pm

re: #85 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

All I want is for Trump to run third-party, and the GOP to come in third…is that too much to ask?

Serious question, though: Can one of the two parties in a two-party system survive coming in third in a presidential election? Thoughts?

Sorry, I want Trump to come in third! The farther down the real crazies are, the better I will like it.

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Eventual Carrion Aug 9, 2015 • 4:59:59pm

re: #79 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

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Hey, I just reloaded and upding this comment and it acted correctly.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge Aug 9, 2015 • 5:00:03pm

re: #110 retired cynic

Sorry, I want Trump to come in third! The farther down the real crazies are, the better I will like it.

I see your point, but if it came down to Trump or Cruz, for example, I’m not sure where the “real crazy” would center.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge Aug 9, 2015 • 5:00:41pm

re: #111 Eventual Carrion

Hey, I just reloaded and upding this comment and it acted correctly.

Jamie fixed it.//

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BeachDem Aug 9, 2015 • 5:01:09pm

So, that Michigan rep who made up a gay sex scandal to hide his affair with another rep? He also made up a child molester rumor about himself during his last campaign—truth truly is stranger than fiction.

rawstory.com

The comments that cracked me up:

weird…tripped up by a low bar of his own setting that he couldn’t get over.

“i know i am but what am i?”

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HappyWarrior Aug 9, 2015 • 5:01:51pm

re: #114 BeachDem

So, that Michigan rep who made up a gay sex scandal to hide his affair with another rep? He also made up a child molester rumor about himself during his last campaign—truth truly is stranger than fiction.

rawstory.com

The comments that cracked me up:

weird…tripped up by a low bar of his own setting that he couldn’t get over.

“i know i am but what am i?”

Sounds like an AFA winner.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge Aug 9, 2015 • 5:02:31pm

re: #114 BeachDem

So, that Michigan rep who made up a gay sex scandal to hide his affair with another rep? He also made up a child molester rumor about himself during his last campaign—truth truly is stranger than fiction.

rawstory.com

The comments that cracked me up:

weird…tripped up by a low bar of his own setting that he couldn’t get over.

“i know i am but what am i?”

“I’m glue and…wait a minute….”

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Poligeek Aug 9, 2015 • 5:03:36pm

I had a conversation with my business partner earlier today and he and I both agree that, as of right now, its basically a coin flip as to if Trump were to score the GOP nomination. We’re just not seeing anything that really shakes his numbers down - and we know the base kind of drives the primary process - the more the base thinks they are being disrespected / disenfranchised by the ‘establishment’ the worse its going to get for that establishment. At some point, someone in the GOP ‘smoky room’ is going to do the math and realize that it might be better to rally behind the guy (for all his faults) then continue to attempt to marginalize him.

No matter what, they’re in a major catch .22 - If he runs as an Independent, they’re toast.. (but probably lose more down ballot races). If he runs as the GOP nominee they’re still toast but at least they can make an ‘effort’ at the ballot box - perhaps saving a bunch of house seats in the process.

At the end of the day, do they decide they want 30% of the overall electorate or 40% - 43% - For the Presidential race, they’re screwed either way - but what works out better for them in the down ballot battles? That’s the question I’m sure is at least beginning to be rumbled about, somewhere.

If he DOES run as an Independent then its that much worse for them.. its a pretty fascinating political scenario - although of course, still very early in the game.

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JadeHelmCurious Aug 9, 2015 • 5:05:17pm

Progressives: Don’t Waste Your Money on the Group #BlackLivesMatters. They Are Actually Hurting Minority Progress

What the fucking fuck is this?

The leaders of BLM like the status quo, unless the single focus of future equality is centered on black women; and even more so black, lesbian, women. They like racial tension over a quest for universal growth for all persons struggling, because it gives them power and a voice. This obviously is not what the vast majority of those supporting BLM believe, but it is what the leadership believes. It’s for this reason that the leadership is not standing up against members who claim to speak on their behalf and who prevent Bernie Sanders from speaking at rallies.

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HappyWarrior Aug 9, 2015 • 5:06:48pm

re: #118 JadeHelmCurious

Progressives: Don’t Waste Your Money on the Group #BlackLivesMatters. They Are Actually Hurting Minority Progress

What the fucking fuck is this?

I like Sanders quite a bit but this condescending bs needs to end now.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge Aug 9, 2015 • 5:07:35pm

re: #117 Poligeek

No matter what, they’re in a major catch .22 - If he runs as an Independent, they’re toast.. (but probably lose more down ballot races. If he runs as the GOP nominee they’re still toast but at least they can make an ‘effort’ at the ballot box - perhaps saving a bunch of house seats in the process.

Would there be any down-ballot candidates on The Trump Ticket™? Would The Donald share the limelight?

(Free party name, Donald—enjoy!)

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BlueSpotinAL Aug 9, 2015 • 5:14:00pm

The mayor of Talladega, Alabama (where they have the big NASCAR race) is involved in an interesting little story:

Talladega Mayor Larry Barton describes beating; questions raised about sex tape

Talladega Mayor Larry Barton says he does not know why he was targeted when he was beaten with a baseball bat Saturday, but a former lawyer for the assailant said it started with a sex tape.

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JadeHelmCurious Aug 9, 2015 • 5:14:40pm

re: #119 HappyWarrior

I like Sanders quite a bit but this condescending bs needs to end now.

I think Sanders can recover from this and come out on top. If he does it could possibly get me to vote for him. It’s his rabid fan club that is the problem. The Ring of Fire stuff is just outright fuckwittery.

Some may have doubted what we at Ring of Fire wrote this morning about the leadership of #BlackLivesMatter being militant and wanting the Progressive movement to fail, and especially Bernie Sanders. As we detailed in our story earlier today, the leadership of this organization wishes to resist the type of change that Bernie and Progressives are striving to bring about for all those struggling in America, including African Americans. They don’t appreciate others who are fighting for their cause and are following in the footsteps of Martin Luther King, Jr. to make change. They want change, if any, to occur solely through the following of the Black Panthers.

That’s some kinda lefty wingnut wormhole that comes from.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate Aug 9, 2015 • 5:15:10pm

re: #117 Poligeek

Thank you for your concern.

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HappyWarrior Aug 9, 2015 • 5:16:17pm

re: #122 JadeHelmCurious

I think Sanders can recover from this and come out on top. If he does it could possibly get me to vote for him. It’s his rabid fan club that is the problem. The Ring of Fire stuff is just outright fuckwittery.

That’s some kinda lefty wingnut wormhole that comes from.

Yeah Bernie’s diehards don’t help his cause.

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Poligeek Aug 9, 2015 • 5:16:52pm

re: #120 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

Would there be any down-ballot candidates on The Trump TicketTM? Would The Donald share the limelight?

(Free party name, Donald—enjoy!)

That’s actually a rather good question. Depending on how much the GOP irks The Trumpinator, I can see him rattling off to people in certain close races to ‘vote for this guy or gal’ where that guy or gal = whoever is NOT on the GOP’s ticket. I just can’t see him going away easily.. I think he LIKES to be a thorn in people’s side. He was probably thrilled when he heard Reince called off his Sunday show appearance - That type of stuff just feeds him.

I’ve also noticed a very odd obsession with how ‘alpha’ he is over in Freeperville. They really seem to love using that word over there. Odd bunch of peeps - but you only need to browse their circa 1998 website for a few minutes to know that :)

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Belafon Aug 9, 2015 • 5:18:01pm

re: #118 JadeHelmCurious

And we wonder why wingers accept conspiracy theories. So many people need to believe that there must be some kind of illuminati level control over events to explain why their preferred outcome is not happing/has not happened.

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William Lewis Aug 9, 2015 • 5:18:14pm

re: #91 Decatur Deb

Already happened. Someone it pointed out the other day.

“In the end Roosevelt fell far short of winning. He drew 4.1 million votes—27%, well behind Wilson’s 42% but ahead of Taft’s 23%. (6% went to Socialist Eugene Debs). He received 88 electoral votes, compared to 435 for Wilson and 8 for Taft.[12]

This was nonetheless the best showing by any third party since the modern two-party system was established in 1864. Roosevelt was the only third-party candidate to outpoll a candidate of an established party.”

en.wikipedia.org

That 6% to Debs scared a whole lot of the establishment though. His platform would become part and parcel of the norm of our society as the way to “avoid” socialism. The irony has always been palpable to me.

“Let the people take heart and hope everywhere, for the cross is bending, midnight is passing, and joy cometh with the morning.”

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lawhawk Aug 9, 2015 • 5:18:17pm

re: #63 bratwurst

Your misleading Drudge tweet of the day:

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Link is to a National Review story that includes Carly Fiorina’s claim that she has “seen an uptick in financial support”. This could, of course, mean the difference between $10 and $100. An NBC survey is also cited that seems to show her and Cruz gained the most support for their debate performances, although both are way WAY behind Trump.

That is not any definition of “surge” I have ever heard.

This goes back to what I was saying on Thursday and Friday - what’s a surge? For a candidate who’s currently polling 1% to jump to 2%? From 5 to 7? So many of the candidates are within a MOE that it’s hard to tell who’s gained or lost. Support is thin for so many, including Fiorina that declaring her a winner is silly.

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Poligeek Aug 9, 2015 • 5:18:55pm

re: #123 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

I’m not concerned - not in the least. I’m just fascinated. I’m as liberal hippie as they get - I just find this entire process humorous and intriguing, is all.

Unless you were trying to suggest I was some sort of ‘concern troll’ in which case - yeah, not me. Sorry to disappoint :P

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William Lewis Aug 9, 2015 • 5:19:43pm

re: #99 Decatur Deb

Yep. Doesn’t mean we can’t try. (X382776)

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Higgs Boson's Mate Aug 9, 2015 • 5:20:21pm

re: #122 JadeHelmCurious

Ring of Fire, is, as was Agent Flowbee at Hillary is 42, here to remind us that there is a liberal fringe.

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Decatur Deb Aug 9, 2015 • 5:20:49pm

re: #122 JadeHelmCurious

I think Sanders can recover from this and come out on top. If he does it could possibly get me to vote for him. It’s his rabid fan club that is the problem. The Ring of Fire stuff is just outright fuckwittery.

That’s some kinda lefty wingnut wormhole that comes from.

First question: Are the supposed BLM leadership quotes true and in context? If so, we see a group that considers internal unity more important than wide progressive solidarity. Enough of that and we piss away the general election. It’s one that is going to be a harder fight than we expect.

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William Lewis Aug 9, 2015 • 5:21:07pm

re: #103 Decatur Deb

Not the first or last time, alas.

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goddamnedfrank Aug 9, 2015 • 5:22:00pm

Bernie supporters have officially now gone full retard.

The leaders of BLM like the status quo, unless the single focus of future equality is centered on black women; and even more so black, lesbian, women. They like racial tension over a quest for universal growth for all persons struggling, because it gives them power and a voice. This obviously is not what the vast majority of those supporting BLM believe, but it is what the leadership believes. It’s for this reason that the leadership is not standing up against members who claim to speak on their behalf and who prevent Bernie Sanders from speaking at rallies.

…

As the founders of BLM make clear, the movement (from their perspective) is all about black women. Anyone such as Bernie Sanders who wants to raise the plight of all struggling Americans offends them. They want the sole focus to be on them. They don’t want a peaceful movement that follows the lead of Martin Luther King, Jr. Instead, they want a militant movement that follows the lead of the Black Panther Party.

This is why Bernie frightens the leadership of BLM so much, because he is creating a huge movement of destroying the present system, which racist system gives the leaders of BLM their voice. These same leaders rather keep the status quo. If we at Ring of Fire are wrong, then we ask them to stand up and take a very strong stance against what is occuring at these rallies, and to state what their true goals are, and how we can assist them to help struggling black Americans.

Way to go assholes, your candidate had three fucking weeks to respond positively to these disruptions, and now you want to sell me on the idea that three black women are the real problem.

Bernie’s supporters want me to believe that these black women are stealing Bernie’s voice, forcing him to cancel planned events, to bail on scheduled meetings. They want me to think of him as a potential leader of this country but that all it takes to repeatedly derail his routine completely are a few legitimately pissed off black women.

And now They’re actually saying BLM’s leaders like the racial status quo that they’ve been protesting and trying for weeks to get him to deal with in something other than the simplistic panacea of economic reform? Seriously, the entire point of the protests is that this issue goes far beyond and simply can not be fixed by economic reform alone. The entire point is that the monomaniacal fixation of Bernie’s campaign isn’t enough, and casting BLM as a bunch of queer bullies stifling Sanders’ fragile fucking flower of a voice is just about the most counter productive answer to that imaginable.

It’s getting seriously fucking embarrassing to be white.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate Aug 9, 2015 • 5:22:20pm

re: #129 Poligeek

I’m not concerned - not in the least. I’m just fascinated. I’m as liberal hippie as they get - I just find this entire process humorous and intriguing, is all.

Unless you were trying to suggest I was some sort of ‘concern troll’ in which case - yeah, not me. Sorry to disappoint :P

I’m not disappointed. It’s just that your first comment sounded very similar to ones made by a former denizen of these parts known for his concern trolling. Now I’m glad to see I was wrong in my assumption.

Trump is truly fouling up the works. It’s fun to watch, for sure.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge Aug 9, 2015 • 5:23:15pm

re: #128 lawhawk

This goes back to what I was saying on Thursday and Friday - what’s a surge? For a candidate who’s currently polling 1% to jump to 2%? From 5 to 7? So many of the candidates are within a MOE that it’s hard to tell who’s gained or lost. Support is thin for so many, including Fiorina that declaring her a winner is silly.

They’re killing us with these “±3%” polls plastered all over the media. If the polls say 50/50—53/47 is a pretty decisive election nowadays, and that 50/50 means it could equally likely go either way!

Oh, and Standard Deviation means there’s ~one chance in three it could be wider than that!

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Decatur Deb Aug 9, 2015 • 5:24:07pm

re: #130 William Lewis

Yep. Doesn’t mean we can’t try. (X382776)

Thought of signing up, if only to honor Kenneth Rexroth. In truth, at my age, it would just be a nostalgia trip.

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JadeHelmCurious Aug 9, 2015 • 5:24:44pm

re: #134 goddamnedfrank

It’s getting seriously fucking embarrassing to be white.

Preach it.

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Poligeek Aug 9, 2015 • 5:25:00pm

re: #135 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

Aah :) I’ve actually lurked here for AGES… since pretty much right after Charles experienced his conversion from the Dark Side.. I just finally decided to register an account. I’m familiar with most of the people here, at least tangentially (i.e. Dark_Falcon - who I find to be an absolutely intriguing ‘case study’ of sorts). I just finally wanted to participate in a convo or two so figured I’d register an account :)

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Decatur Deb Aug 9, 2015 • 5:26:39pm

re: #139 Poligeek

Aah :) I’ve actually lurked here for AGES… since pretty much right after Charles experienced his conversion from the Dark Side.. I just finally decided to register an account. I’m familiar with most of the people here, at least tangentially (i.e. Dark_Falcon - who I find to be an absolutely intriguing ‘case study’ of sorts). I just finally wanted to participate in a convo or two so figured I’d register an account :)

OK, but you’re on double secret probation.

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jaunte Aug 9, 2015 • 5:27:34pm

re: #140 Decatur Deb

We’re not supposed to talk about that.

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Poligeek Aug 9, 2015 • 5:27:41pm

re: #140 Decatur Deb

OK, but you’re on double secret probation.

I’m always finding myself in some sort of trouble or mischief - So I’ll embrace that condition :)

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lawhawk Aug 9, 2015 • 5:28:01pm

re: #140 Decatur Deb

OK, but you’re on double secret probation.

And have to bring the beverages.

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JadeHelmCurious Aug 9, 2015 • 5:28:08pm

ICKSNAY!

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William Lewis Aug 9, 2015 • 5:28:31pm

re: #137 Decatur Deb

Thought of signing up, if only to honor Kenneth Rexroth. In truth, at my age, it would just be a nostalgia trip.

I hear you.

As a Mike Harrington guy, it’s a more interesting set of historical issues, but I find I like wearing the little red button they sent me. The one guy who recognized it did a real double take on seeing it between my Infantry branch & MI branch insignia.

BTW, from this morning? I accepted the sacristan’s job. Someone has to do it, literally, and it’s no worse than any of the cat herding I have to do as senior warden. As you pointed out having been an NCO get’s you most of the way there with the priest as OIC… ;)

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Decatur Deb Aug 9, 2015 • 5:28:58pm

re: #142 Poligeek

I’m always finding myself in some sort of trouble or mischief - So I’ll embrace that condition :)

Do you have a horse?

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SteveMcGaziBolaGate Aug 9, 2015 • 5:29:16pm

re: #139 Poligeek

You wouldn’t happen to be an atheist, would you?

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Higgs Boson's Mate Aug 9, 2015 • 5:29:19pm

Now that we’re past the pleasantries: Drinks are on Poligeek!

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William Lewis Aug 9, 2015 • 5:29:28pm

re: #139 Poligeek

DF is a good man. In a very real way we keep each other honest. Both he and us would be weaker without the other.

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Charles Johnson Aug 9, 2015 • 5:29:32pm

re: #118 JadeHelmCurious

Progressives: Don’t Waste Your Money on the Group #BlackLivesMatters. They Are Actually Hurting Minority Progress

What the fucking fuck is this?

That site’s connected to the Robert F. Kennedy Jr. crowd, i.e., moonbats.

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GlutenFreeJesus Aug 9, 2015 • 5:29:42pm

Election season. A sad reminder that us liberals have our own idiots too. At least they aren’t on the airwaves 24/7 being outraged about outrageous outrages all year round.

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SteveMcGaziBolaGate Aug 9, 2015 • 5:30:24pm

re: #151 GlutenFreeJesus

But when they do latch onto something they bite hard.

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bratwurst Aug 9, 2015 • 5:30:43pm

re: #151 GlutenFreeJesus

Election season. A sad reminder that us liberals have our own idiots too. At least they aren’t on the airwaves 24/7 being outraged about outrageous outrages all year round.

The don’t dominate the United States House of Representatives either.

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Decatur Deb Aug 9, 2015 • 5:30:45pm

re: #145 William Lewis

May the lord grant you a priest who is not a 90-day Wonder.

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HappyWarrior Aug 9, 2015 • 5:32:50pm

re: #150 Charles Johnson

That site’s connected to the Robert F. Kennedy Jr. crowd, i.e., moonbats.

A shame RFK Jr is one. His father is a hero of mine.

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HappyWarrior Aug 9, 2015 • 5:33:49pm

re: #151 GlutenFreeJesus

Election season. A sad reminder that us liberals have our own idiots too. At least they aren’t on the airwaves 24/7 being outraged about outrageous outrages all year round.

It’s annoying. I respect Sanders a ton but his supporters need to stop being condescending.

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Poligeek Aug 9, 2015 • 5:35:48pm

re: #147 SteveMcGaziBolaGate

You wouldn’t happen to be an atheist, would you?

_{_{ducks under table}}

I am..although I honestly more often refer to myself as an agnostic. The primary reason being that I can’t truly state that there isn’t a God anymore than I can state that there is based upon the current available information we have access to. I can however say that there’s a lot more evidence to suggest that there isn’t. Its not an issue of hedging my bets - its more so that I’m a relatively logical / analytical kind of guy and I tend to go to where the evidence, facts, and logical extrapolations take me. I do find most theists to be.. less than spectacular people.. but to be fair, I haven’t interacted with a huge amount of them - and the ones that I have were probably a bit.. extreme in their theism to begin with.

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goddamnedfrank Aug 9, 2015 • 5:36:48pm

You should change your name to Dumpster Fire Radio. Because that was some seriously hot garbage. @ringoffireradio pic.twitter.com/3OpAQI1lTQ

— goddamnedfrank (@goddamnedfrank) August 10, 2015

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SteveMcGaziBolaGate Aug 9, 2015 • 5:36:57pm

re: #157 Poligeek

No biggie, a bunch of us were wrasslin this morning.

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Higgs Boson's Mate Aug 9, 2015 • 5:37:22pm

re: #154 Decatur Deb

May the lord grant you a priest who is not a 90-day Wonder.

Them salutin’ demons will get ya’ killed.

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Poligeek Aug 9, 2015 • 5:37:45pm

re: #149 William Lewis

DF is a good man. In a very real way we keep each other honest. Both he and us would be weaker without the other.

I agree - he does seem like a good guy. I also like that he allows himself to be open minded on many subjects - which is something more people need to do (on both side of the aisle)

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lawhawk Aug 9, 2015 • 5:38:10pm

Speaking of beverages, my BIL happened to come upon an old and unopened bottle of Johnnie Walker Red. From late 1960s to early 1970s. I think the packaging itself dates to 1972.

Let’s just say I am not a fan of drinking scotch neat, but this was quite the exception. Yum.

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William Lewis Aug 9, 2015 • 5:38:11pm

re: #154 Decatur Deb

May the lord grant you a priest who is not a 90-day Wonder.

We are insanely lucky: he’s 1) good (continues to grow every time I turn around) 2) walks the walk (4 of their 6 kids are adopted including two brothers from Liberia adopted while their civil war was still smoldering) 3) has been there 10 years and we expect the same since 4) we dodged a bullet and he was not made bishop 2 years ago. Would that even a tiny percentage of Christians were as good at it as he is… the former Archbishop of Buenos Aires reminds me of Art.

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HappyWarrior Aug 9, 2015 • 5:38:13pm

Bernie is by all accounts a solid guy and a great voice on liberal issues but he’s going to have to deal with hostility. His diehards need to realize that.

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Charles Johnson Aug 9, 2015 • 5:38:57pm

@Gus_802 I’m starting to wonder if there’s a lot of crossover from Ron Paulians to Sanders fans. The craziness is very similar.

— Charles Johnson (@Green_Footballs) August 10, 2015

Not saying all Sanders fans are Ron Paulians, by the way. But I’m getting a real Paulian vibe from the nuttiest ones.

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Decatur Deb Aug 9, 2015 • 5:40:47pm

re: #165 Charles Johnson

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Not saying all Sanders fans are Ron Paulians, by the way. But I’m getting a real Paulian vibe from the nuttiest ones.

It’s all in the music—the lyrics are immaterial.

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plansbandc Aug 9, 2015 • 5:40:56pm

I have a couple of moonbats in my FB feed. Damn near as annoying as the baggers.

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The Vicious Babushka Aug 9, 2015 • 5:41:38pm

re: #104 bratwurst

It’s confirmed: Donald Trump does not own a mirror!

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Donald Trump pays a handsome intern to stand in a mirror frame and mimic his movements.

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HappyWarrior Aug 9, 2015 • 5:44:25pm

re: #167 plansbandc

I have a couple of moonbats in my FB feed. Damn near as annoying as the baggers.

I have a bit. Nice people but naive frankly politically speaking.

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teleskiguy Aug 9, 2015 • 5:45:02pm

re: #168 The Vicious Babushka

Donald Trump pays a handsome intern to stand in a mirror frame and mimic his movements.

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The Vicious Babushka Aug 9, 2015 • 5:45:27pm

re: #150 Charles Johnson

That site’s connected to the Robert F. Kennedy Jr. crowd, i.e., moonbats.

RFK jr = anti vaxxers

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SteveMcGaziBolaGate Aug 9, 2015 • 5:45:42pm

re: #168 The Vicious Babushka

I missed that my first time through, but like him, I can’t wait for him to get a chance to discuss the real issues. What is everybody waiting for?

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b.d. Aug 9, 2015 • 5:45:47pm

re: #165 Charles Johnson

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Not saying all Sanders fans are Ron Paulians, by the way. But I’m getting a real Paulian vibe from the nuttiest ones.

The Traveling Dudebros certainly have taken up residence at Casa Bernie. Senator Baby Paul ain’t his old man and the pack he thought he would inherit has wandered away.

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Bubblehead II Aug 9, 2015 • 5:47:51pm

Lizards & Tweets. Time to call it a night. May the Deity of your choice smile down upon you.
— Bubblehead II (@BubbleheadII) August 10, 2015

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Decatur Deb Aug 9, 2015 • 5:48:27pm

It’s time for gratuitous violence and mild nudity. BBL.

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HappyWarrior Aug 9, 2015 • 5:48:40pm

re: #171 The Vicious Babushka

RFK jr = anti vaxxers

Not just an anti vaxxer but a total dick about autism.

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Belafon Aug 9, 2015 • 5:49:32pm

re: #165 Charles Johnson

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Not saying all Sanders fans are Ron Paulians, by the way. But I’m getting a real Paulian vibe from the nuttiest ones.

I think the ones you are talking about (not all Sanders supporters obviously) are in love with the ideal of their candidate. If either of them became president, and had to compromise, their supporters would turn in a heartbeat.

And no, Sanders and Paul are not the only candidates with followers. These Sanders supporters just have a reason to be loud.

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HappyWarrior Aug 9, 2015 • 5:49:41pm

re: #173 b.d.

The Traveling Dudebros certainly have taken up residence at Casa Bernie. Senator Baby Paul ain’t his old man and the pack he thought he would inherit has wandered away.

There is some intersection there for sure. It’s a mindset in my observations. One that scorns any compromise.

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HappyWarrior Aug 9, 2015 • 5:50:10pm

re: #177 Belafon

I think the ones you are talking about (not all Sanders supporters obviously) are in love with the ideal of their candidate. If either of them became president, and had to compromise, their supporters would turn in a heartbeat.

And no, Sanders and Paul are not the only candidates with followers. These Sanders supporters just have a reason to be loud.

Have to agree with this.

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b.d. Aug 9, 2015 • 5:50:55pm

“I like Ron Paul, but on these issues, he’s completely out to lunch,” Bernie Sanders told CNN’s Wolf Blitzer

politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com

August 29, 2011

There is no doubt in my mind that the Paulites are now Berniacs.

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b.d. Aug 9, 2015 • 5:53:14pm

re: #180 b.d.

politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com

August 29, 2011

There is no doubt in my mind that the Paulites are now Berniacs.

***Some of

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge Aug 9, 2015 • 5:53:58pm

re: #180 b.d.

politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com

August 29, 2011

There is no doubt in my mind that the Paulites are now Berniacs.

Could the Paulistas be dissipating as pot becomes legal in more and more places (and decriminalized in more yet?) My prediction: Legalize pot in California and the whole “movement” would evaporate overnight.

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The Vicious Babushka Aug 9, 2015 • 5:54:07pm

I’m a Bernie supporter but I think he fucked up not taking the BLM seriously.

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Charles Johnson Aug 9, 2015 • 5:54:58pm

Kind of interesting that the Ron Paul cult seems to have fastened onto Bernie Sanders instead of Rand.

— Charles Johnson (@Green_Footballs) August 10, 2015

I think Rand Paul is seen as more of a mainstream GOP politician by the Paulian cult. Which he is.

— Charles Johnson (@Green_Footballs) August 10, 2015

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HappyWarrior Aug 9, 2015 • 5:54:59pm

I was a Kucinich supporter many years ago. I know the mindset. I hate being too hard since I think many of these people have their hearts in the right place but they are just frustrating at times.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge Aug 9, 2015 • 5:55:03pm

re: #182 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

Why didn’t I say: “Go up in smoke?” Gah!

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Backwoods_Sleuth Aug 9, 2015 • 5:55:45pm

re: #182 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

Could the Paulistas be dissipating as pot becomes legal in more and more places (and decriminalized in more yet?) My prediction: Legalize pot in California and the whole “movement” would evaporate overnight.

I think Rand has flip flopped too much and the Paulians don’t really trust him anymore.

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SteveMcGaziBolaGate Aug 9, 2015 • 5:56:01pm

re: #183 The Vicious Babushka

People screw up but let’s wait and see how he moves forward. Maybe he’ll double down on the mistake, or maybe he’ll address it.

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William Lewis Aug 9, 2015 • 5:57:21pm

re: #183 The Vicious Babushka

I’m a Bernie supporter but I think he fucked up not taking the BLM seriously.

I agree, but is it possible to say I think both sides have screwed the canine on this without invoking the MBF? I do think, overall, that Bernie (and especially his followers!) are worse but I’m not sure that BLM has tried to handle this education especially well?

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William Lewis Aug 9, 2015 • 5:58:22pm

re: #187 Backwoods_Sleuth

I think Rand has flip flopped too much and the Paulians don’t really trust him anymore.

Abortion is what is killing off the Paulbots. Most of them despise his pandering on that.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge Aug 9, 2015 • 5:58:40pm

re: #188 SteveMcGaziBolaGate

People screw up but let’s wait and see how he moves forward. Maybe he’ll double down on the mistake, or maybe he’ll address it.

And maybe BLM can get it out there prominently enough that these two women at the Westlake Mall aren’t actually in BLM at all, but just a splinter group riding on their coattails? Could be a teaching moment for everybody.

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ObserverArt Aug 9, 2015 • 5:58:49pm

Does anyone know if Ed Schultz has/had anything to do with Ring of Fire Radio?

I’m getting a connection in my memory and I can’t quite figure it out.

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PhillyPretzel Aug 9, 2015 • 5:59:03pm

This is what happened in Philly when pot was decriminalized. newsworks.org

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aagcobb Aug 9, 2015 • 5:59:45pm

re: #85 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

All I want is for Trump to run third-party, and the GOP to come in third…is that too much to ask?

Serious question, though: Can one of the two parties in a two-party system survive coming in third in a presidential election? Thoughts?

Yes, it happened in 1912, when Taft finished third behind Wilson and Teddy Roosevelt

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Dark_Falcon Aug 9, 2015 • 6:00:48pm

re: #118 JadeHelmCurious

Progressives: Don’t Waste Your Money on the Group #BlackLivesMatters. They Are Actually Hurting Minority Progress

What the fucking fuck is this?

It’s called a circular firing squad:

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HappyWarrior Aug 9, 2015 • 6:01:30pm

re: #187 Backwoods_Sleuth

I think Rand has flip flopped too much and the Paulians don’t really trust him anymore.

Yeah Rand is more of a politician than Dad ever was despite not being in elected office nearly as long. Btw BWS, thanks, BeachDem showed me the job on Scotusblog you found. Gonna apply. I was out of town when you posted it.

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Charles Johnson Aug 9, 2015 • 6:02:17pm

re: #183 The Vicious Babushka

I’m a Bernie supporter but I think he fucked up not taking the BLM seriously.

I started out pretty sympathetic to Bernie Sanders, just because I want an alternative to Hillary. Jeebus, do I ever want an alternative to Hillary.

But I really don’t like some of Sanders’ policy positions. He’s very bad on gun control for one thing.

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b.d. Aug 9, 2015 • 6:02:46pm

re: #118 JadeHelmCurious

Progressives: Don’t Waste Your Money on the Group #BlackLivesMatters. They Are Actually Hurting Minority Progress

What the fucking fuck is this?

Has BLM asked for any money from anyone?

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Backwoods_Sleuth Aug 9, 2015 • 6:03:02pm

re: #196 HappyWarrior

Yeah Rand is more of a politician than Dad ever was despite not being in elected office nearly as long. Btw BWS, thanks, BeachDem showed me the job on Scotusblog you found. Gonna apply. I was out of town when you posted it.

I thought of you the minute I saw the job opening. Good luck!

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makeitstop Aug 9, 2015 • 6:03:23pm

re: #192 ObserverArt

Does anyone know if Ed Schultz has/had anything to do with Ring of Fire Radio?

I’m getting a connection in my memory and I can’t quite figure it out.

Ring of Fire was a show on Air America. Mark Marron hosted, I think.

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HappyWarrior Aug 9, 2015 • 6:03:46pm

re: #199 Backwoods_Sleuth

I thought of you the minute I saw the job opening. Good luck!

You rule. Thanks for thinking of me. :)

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The Vicious Babushka Aug 9, 2015 • 6:04:39pm

re: #197 Charles Johnson

I started out pretty sympathetic to Bernie Sanders, just because I want an alternative to Hillary. Jeebus, do I ever want an alternative to Hillary.

But I really don’t like some of Sanders’ policy positions. He’s very bad on gun control for one thing.

I would like to see Joe Biden in the race.

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HappyWarrior Aug 9, 2015 • 6:05:35pm

re: #202 The Vicious Babushka

I would like to see Joe Biden in the race.

I’m on record as saying id voting for Bernie but if Joe runs, he’s my guy.

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Higgs Boson's Mate Aug 9, 2015 • 6:06:39pm

re: #202 The Vicious Babushka

I would like to see Joe Biden in the race.

I think that the originator of, “A noun, a verb, and 9/11,” would add much to this contest.

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PhillyPretzel Aug 9, 2015 • 6:06:43pm

re: #202 The Vicious Babushka

re: #203 HappyWarrior

He has been training for it these past few years. I think he has a chance.

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ObserverArt Aug 9, 2015 • 6:08:00pm

re: #200 makeitstop

Ring of Fire was a show on Air America. Mark Marron hosted, I think.

Digging around I saw a guy by the name of Mike Papantonio is a part of it and it appears they are still going independently on their own with 42 stations picking them up. Any way, Mike Papantonio was often on Ed’s show, so there is that.

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Dark_Falcon Aug 9, 2015 • 6:08:35pm

re: #197 Charles Johnson

I started out pretty sympathetic to Bernie Sanders, just because I want an alternative to Hillary. Jeebus, do I ever want an alternative to Hillary.

But I really don’t like some of Sanders’ policy positions. He’s very bad on gun control for one thing.

Not really from your point of view, but he doesn’t push gun control because the voters in his state do not want it. Vermont likes guns, and one can buy and carry handguns there without special permits. Also a lot of people there hunt and they are not supportive of laws that limit which rifles they can buy.

It’s well to speak of leadership, but for the most part senators have to “dance with the ones that brung[sic] ‘em.”

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aagcobb Aug 9, 2015 • 6:08:46pm

re: #117 Poligeek

I had a conversation with my business partner earlier today and he and I both agree that, as of right now, its basically a coin flip as to if Trump were to score the GOP nomination. We’re just not seeing anything that really shakes his numbers down - and we know the base kind of drives the primary process - the more the base thinks they are being disrespected / disenfranchised by the ‘establishment’ the worse its going to get for that establishment. At some point, someone in the GOP ‘smoky room’ is going to do the math and realize that it might be better to rally behind the guy (for all his faults) then continue to attempt to marginalize him.

No matter what, they’re in a major catch .22 - If he runs as an Independent, they’re toast.. (but probably lose more down ballot races). If he runs as the GOP nominee they’re still toast but at least they can make an ‘effort’ at the ballot box - perhaps saving a bunch of house seats in the process.

At the end of the day, do they decide they want 30% of the overall electorate or 40% - 43% - For the Presidential race, they’re screwed either way - but what works out better for them in the down ballot battles? That’s the question I’m sure is at least beginning to be rumbled about, somewhere.

If he DOES run as an Independent then its that much worse for them.. its a pretty fascinating political scenario - although of course, still very early in the game.

Welcome Hatchling!
Trump won’t win the nomination. He is the front runner at about a quarter of the GOP, but that means 75% aren’t supporting him, and he has high negatives with that group. As the GOP field starts to winnow, the ones who survive will attract most of the followers of the ones who get out, and the establishment will do whatever it takes to deny Trump the nomination. The GOP will retain control of the House even in the event of a Trump third party run because of gerrymandering and because the people who come out to vote for Trump for President will vote GOP down ticket. As an independent candidate, there won’t be anybody but Tea Party Republicans to ride on his coattails.

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HappyWarrior Aug 9, 2015 • 6:09:48pm

re: #205 PhillyPretzel

He has been training for it these past few years. I think he has a chance.

I do too. I like him since he’s arguably more progressive than Hillary and better at understanding politics than Sanders.

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Charles Johnson Aug 9, 2015 • 6:11:39pm

re: #207 Dark_Falcon

Yes, I know. Because a lot of ignorant, simple-minded voters don’t want gun control, politicians like Bernie Sanders will vote against bills that save lives and consign this country to more gun-based violence and murder.

Yes, I know.

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PhillyPretzel Aug 9, 2015 • 6:11:51pm

re: #209 HappyWarrior

One of the things I like about Biden is that he is known to take the train instead of driving home during breaks.

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HappyWarrior Aug 9, 2015 • 6:12:25pm

re: #207 Dark_Falcon

Not really from your point of view, but he doesn’t push gun control because the voters in his state do not want it. Vermont likes guns, and one can buy and carry handguns there without special permits. Also a lot of people there hunt and they are not supportive of laws that limit which rifles they can buy.

It’s well to speak of leadership, but for the most part senators have to “dance with the ones that brung[sic] ‘em.”

Well it’s funny actually. Sanders has a more favorable record from the NRA than Jim Jeffords did I believe. Anyhow you make a fair point but Charles’ concerns are understandable and I’d expect the gun lobby to trash him anyhow after seeing what they did to Creigh Deeds here.

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HappyWarrior Aug 9, 2015 • 6:12:50pm

re: #211 PhillyPretzel

One of the things I like about Biden is that he is known to take the train instead of driving home during breaks.

Yeah Mr. Amtrak.

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William Lewis Aug 9, 2015 • 6:12:58pm

re: #195 Dark_Falcon

It’s called a circular firing squad:

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You might enjoy this story, DF.

Back in my day in the National Guard, I was in a pretty good unit. We did a lot to help train other units. One time my scout platoon was called on to do a weekend out in the bush “waking up” a clerical unit that hadn’t been out of the armory in a decade or so.

They were coming into their cantonment area on a road march. There was a dog leg in the road and we set an ambush down past the curve. Myself and one of my pvt’s were up with a radio up past the curve to give warning when they were coming. Our ROTC idiot lit up the first vehicle rather than waiting for the middle of the column as he was supposed to. This left many vehicles back up and around the curve that we were watching. Most of these less than experienced people started getting out of their vehicles and wandering around wondering what was going on. Me & Pvt hunkered down as low as we could but then some idiot saw our rucks sitting in the wood and decided to retrieve them. We waited till they were about 25 meters away and then, since we were using MILES, lit them up. We ended up with a ring of young idiots who would stand there and let us shoot them, walk to their officer to get the buzzer key’d off and I’d be watching as the key would turn. Turn. Bang. Turn. Bang. Etc. One pair of officer and idiot took 6 “kills” before they took cover. Eventually Pvt & I ran out of blanks and we just got up, grabbed our rucks and jogged on out of there. Neither of us was ever hit - and our MILES gear was on and working properly. I considered that a point of honor.

MILES - en.wikipedia.org -
US Army Laser Tag :D

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Bass Reeves Aug 9, 2015 • 6:14:17pm

re: #132 Decatur Deb

First question: Are the supposed BLM leadership quotes true and in context? If so, we see a group that considers internal unity more important than wide progressive solidarity. Enough of that and we piss away the general election. It’s one that is going to be a harder fight than we expect.

This may be somewhat missing the point of the BLM focus. When you talk about ‘internal unity’ in BLM, you are dealing with a group whose focus is NOT GETTING SLAUGHTERED IN THE STREETS BY COPS. BLM is not focused on winning elections exactly, more like NOT GETTING SLAUGHTERED IN THE STREETS BY COPS.

The response to BLM in the larger progressive movement was All Lives Matter, which is seen by many in the BLM movement as an attempt to either suborn the BLM struggle, or erase it totally. So the BLM feels there is no ‘wide progressive solidarity’ already, because they have been absolutely attacked by progressive just for having the movement. Again, with the focus of not getting slaughtered in the streets by cops.

In my opinion, the BLM members will more than likely vote for the Democratic Party candidate, because what choice do they have? But if they shake up the candidates (basically Hillary and Sanders) enough, the candidates may be forced to actually make some policy promises that deal with the issue of police shooting unarmed black people all the damned time.

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William Lewis Aug 9, 2015 • 6:14:48pm

re: #207 Dark_Falcon

Not really from your point of view, but he doesn’t push gun control because the voters in his state do not want it. Vermont likes guns, and one can buy and carry handguns there without special permits. Also a lot of people there hunt and they are not supportive of laws that limit which rifles they can buy.

It’s well to speak of leadership, but for the most part senators have to “dance with the ones that brung[sic] ‘em.”

The other thing I’ve seen is a shi*load of rural democrats who tell me they’d vote for Bernie but not Hillary over that issue. It’s not simple at all.

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makeitstop Aug 9, 2015 • 6:15:08pm

re: #206 ObserverArt

Digging around I saw a guy by the name of Mike Papantonio is a part of it and it appears they are still going independently on their own with 42 stations picking them up. Any way, Mike Papantonio was often on Ed’s show, so there is that.

Ah, Papantonio, you’re probably right. I forget which personalities hosted which show.

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Higgs Boson's Mate Aug 9, 2015 • 6:15:42pm

My wife, the dog and I spent the first half of the day at the beach. Now the excellent Stan West is playing with a blues band in the park about thirty yards from where I’m typing.
This is good.

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aagcobb Aug 9, 2015 • 6:16:35pm

re: #167 plansbandc

I have a couple of moonbats in my FB feed. Damn near as annoying as the baggers.

I know Bobby Kennedy Jr. is a rabid anti-vaccer

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teleskiguy Aug 9, 2015 • 6:17:59pm

Guns guns guns. RT @AP: The Latest in Texas deaths: Man charged after 5 kids, 3 adults found slain at Texas home: http://t.co/JSzwOe6tu8

— Charlie Vogel (@teleskiguy) August 9, 2015

Of course, a logic-impaired Twitterer who’s a big sports fan has to chime in.

@teleskiguy @AP Forks Forks forks… childhood obesity at an all time high. I suggest we mandate using chopsticks for all meals

— Jordyn Blake (@JLUPE23) August 9, 2015

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Belafon Aug 9, 2015 • 6:18:58pm

I just saw a funny term in the War on Sanders: Corporate Left. I’m trying to think of the people who would belong to it.

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Higgs Boson's Mate Aug 9, 2015 • 6:21:28pm

re: #221 Belafon

The idea of the left being organized, let alone corporate, is risible.

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darthstar Aug 9, 2015 • 6:21:30pm

Please tell me this guy is just lost looking for a Cosplay party.

They haven't learned a fucking thing.. pic.twitter.com/g03pSujZcq

— Paul Gardner (@paulmgardner) August 10, 2015

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Belafon Aug 9, 2015 • 6:21:30pm

re: #220 teleskiguy

Hasn’t childhood obesity been declining over the last few years?

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teleskiguy Aug 9, 2015 • 6:22:58pm

re: #224 Belafon

Hasn’t childhood obesity been declining over the last few years?

Honestly I don’t know. I live in Colorado, thinnest state in the union. I notice if you look at any map of obesity rates you see the old Confederacy where the rates are highest.

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jaunte Aug 9, 2015 • 6:23:20pm

Big one tonight: Breitbart Staffers Believe Trump Has Given Money To Site For Favorable Coverage http://t.co/CLLy0NMtTc

— Katherine Miller (@katherinemiller) August 10, 2015

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HappyWarrior Aug 9, 2015 • 6:23:57pm

re: #221 Belafon

I just saw a funny term in the War on Sanders: Corporate Left. I’m trying to think of the people who would belong to it.

Could they mean the DLC? That’s always been the favorite punching bag of the true progressive types.

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aagcobb Aug 9, 2015 • 6:24:40pm

re: #209 HappyWarrior

I do too. I like him since he’s arguably more progressive than Hillary and better at understanding politics than Sanders.

I like Joe, he certainly has the experience to be President, and I think he would be a good one, but he hasn’t done well in previous presidential races, for whatever reason, and Hillary has most of the Democratic establishment locked up. Unless a real scandal explodes, barring an unexpected health glitch or something, the nomination is hers for the taking. However, it would be good for the Party and I think Hillary as well if another major democratic figure like Biden entered the race and made her work for the nomination. Sanders ain’t it, and neither is O’Malley.

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Higgs Boson's Mate Aug 9, 2015 • 6:25:15pm

re: #223 darthstar

Please tell me this guy is just lost looking for a Cosplay party.

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Please tell me that he was on his way to arrest the Taliban.

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jamesfirecat Aug 9, 2015 • 6:26:00pm

re: #227 HappyWarrior

Could they mean the DLC? That’s always been the favorite punching bag of the true progressive types.

///What is wrong with Downloadable Content?

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Belafon Aug 9, 2015 • 6:26:02pm

re: #224 Belafon

Hasn’t childhood obesity been declining over the last few years?

And the answer is, yes, in the youngest (2-5) but it hasn’t changed overall: cdc.gov.

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HappyWarrior Aug 9, 2015 • 6:26:02pm

re: #228 aagcobb

I like Joe, he certainly has the experience to be President, and I think he would be a good one, but he hasn’t done well in previous presidential races, for whatever reason, and Hillary has most of the Democratic establishment locked up. Unless a real scandal explodes, barring an unexpected health glitch or something, the nomination is hers for the taking. However, it would be good for the Party and I think Hillary as well if another major democratic figure like Biden entered the race and made her work for the nomination. Sanders ain’t it, and neither is O’Malley.

Oh I don’t disagree. Just my reasons why I like Joe.

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HappyWarrior Aug 9, 2015 • 6:27:05pm

re: #230 jamesfirecat

///What is wrong with Downloadable Content?

Hahaha. Well played. But yeah the Democratic Leadership Council was always a punching bag. I remember even in the 2004 primaries.

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William Lewis Aug 9, 2015 • 6:27:39pm

re: #228 aagcobb

I seriously think O’Malley is the worst Democrat in the race. Pure east coast big urban machine Democrat who thinks having all the votes means people actually like him. Uh.. sorry, but nope.

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teleskiguy Aug 9, 2015 • 6:28:13pm

Belafon, got a live one in my Twitter mentions.

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b_sharp Aug 9, 2015 • 6:29:02pm

Jeez, I go away for a while and when I come back, LGF hasn’t imploded, exploded or melted.

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HappyWarrior Aug 9, 2015 • 6:29:33pm

re: #234 William Lewis

I seriously think O’Malley is the worst Democrat in the race. Pure east coast big urban machine Democrat who thinks having all the votes means people actually like him. Uh.. sorry, but nope.

Webb is worse. At least Marty doesn’t pander to CSA lovers and I say that as a former constituent. Plus Marty was one of the first governors to support gay marriage.

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teleskiguy Aug 9, 2015 • 6:29:39pm

re: #236 b_sharp

Jeez, I go away for a while and when I come back, LGF hasn’t imploded, exploded or melted.

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Backwoods_Sleuth Aug 9, 2015 • 6:31:00pm

re: #236 b_sharp

Jeez, I go away for a while and when I come back, LGF hasn’t imploded, exploded or melted.

We didn’t even get Raptured.

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Blind Frog Belly White Aug 9, 2015 • 6:31:04pm

re: #236 b_sharp

Jeez, I go away for a while and when I come back, LGF hasn’t imploded, exploded or melted.

Well, gdf did start a dumpster fire, up above.

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Dark_Falcon Aug 9, 2015 • 6:31:05pm

re: #216 William Lewis

The other thing I’ve seen is a shi*load of rural democrats who tell me they’d vote for Bernie but not Hillary over that issue. It’s not simple at all.

No, its not. But some of it is just that they feel that Sanders understands them when it comes to guns and other Dems don’t.

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Blind Frog Belly White Aug 9, 2015 • 6:31:19pm

re: #239 Backwoods_Sleuth

We didn’t even get Raptured.

Or ruptured.

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darthstar Aug 9, 2015 • 6:31:46pm

re: #239 Backwoods_Sleuth

We didn’t even get Raptured.

The Rapture sucks. It’s the after party I’m looking forward to.

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The Vicious Babushka Aug 9, 2015 • 6:33:45pm

re: #220 teleskiguy

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Ask him when was the last time somebody walked into a church/school/theater and murdered a bunch of people with a Big Mac

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b_sharp Aug 9, 2015 • 6:33:47pm

re: #242 Blind Frog Belly White

Or ruptured.

Speak for yourself.

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SteveMcGaziBolaGate Aug 9, 2015 • 6:36:19pm

re: #226 jaunte

Is there such a thing as favorable coverage for Trump?

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darthstar Aug 9, 2015 • 6:36:48pm

WHAT THE HELL, MEDIA? YOU HAVE BEEN SHITTING THE AIRWAVES WITH POLL AFTER POLL AFTER POLL FOR WEEKS LEADING UP TO THE FOX NEWS TOP 10 REPUBLICAN CIRCLE JERK AND NOW WHAT?….NOTHING!

I fully expected at least two, maybe three or four polls to come out today to show the “debate bounce” that all the “serious” fucktards we keep hearing about taking their rightful place ahead of Trump…

But no…we only get one Surveymonkey “scientific” poll that shows Cruz and some fucking doctor got a bounce in and the REAL candidates aren’t even in the top fucking five…except Rubio, but he gave up his testicles over abortion during the debate by denying the one reasonable position a Republican can have on the subject without getting flayed by their own party.

You want to know what my tinfoil hat tells me? They all did polls but they all show the same thing…the Republican base is fucked in the head and they all want Trump.

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teleskiguy Aug 9, 2015 • 6:36:56pm

Fascinating interview!

What does a space archaeologist ask one of the world's most famous astronauts? http://t.co/sUpPVU8yEu @ConversationEDU

— Alice Gorman (@drspacejunk) August 10, 2015

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Pawn of the Oppressor Aug 9, 2015 • 6:37:43pm

re: #138 JadeHelmCurious

Preach it.

I’ve been reading Battle Cry of Freedom and last night I was treated to a float down the river of shit that was the 1850’s in the USA.

These chapters are loaded with quotes from Southerners describing their love for slavery, and their hopes to see it spread into places like Nicaragua and possibly the entire Gulf of Mexico. Noteworthy are the several failed expeditions by people I can only describe as GROUPS OF MONSTROUS ASSHOLES, trying to pry Cuba and Nicaragua loose from their respective colonial powers, and bring them into the US economic sphere as slave territories.

Page after page, quote after quote, painting a fairly comprehensive picture of the South as generally controlled by posturing, vicious, honor-obsessed thug life losers who quite firmly and happily saw dark-skinned people as Not People At All, and frankly seemed to enjoy the idea of fucking over anybody who stood in the way of spreading pure freaking Evil like a cancer over the whole earth, if they could manage it. And that’s before you even get to the part about Bleeding Kansas.

The sick part to me was that a lot of the quoted rhetoric was fundamentally no different from what you hear in the mouths of modern Republicans. The only difference is that they can’t openly say the n-word on national TV. All the resentment, all the failure, all the shit attitude, all the honor and “good Chrischun upright civilization vs. Filthy Librul Yankee” bullshit, is all still there. It’s astonishing.

And after you read this, which by the way is not a work of Chomsky trying to convince you that white capitalism is garbage, you start to wonder if maybe White Culture really is just plain f-ed up and evil. I’ve never felt racial shame before.

Gods help us, if there’s another war along these lines, this time the North better finish the job, not just politically but culturally, too.

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darthstar Aug 9, 2015 • 6:37:53pm

re: #246 SteveMcGaziBolaGate

Is there such a thing as favorable coverage for Trump?

WHY WON’T HE DIE ALREADY? MEGYN KELLY SHOT HIM A DEATH STARE THAT SENT MY PUPPY INTO CONVULSIONS Love, Reince.

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CarolJ Aug 9, 2015 • 6:37:56pm

re: #182 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

There’s still a national law to be repealed. California just isn’t enough, although the effect of having the entire west coast with legal pot pretty much puts an irrevocable hole into national legalization. That doesn’t help anyone in Alabama though.

Welcome, hatchling Politigeek. Have your complimentary drink on us.

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jaunte Aug 9, 2015 • 6:39:14pm

re: #246 SteveMcGaziBolaGate

Is there such a thing as favorable coverage for Trump?

It seems to be working for some conservative voters.

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Backwoods_Sleuth Aug 9, 2015 • 6:41:49pm

The O'Malley, Sanders, & Clinton campaigns have reached out to the movement to engage in listening & conversation re: policy/platforms.

— deray mckesson (@deray) August 10, 2015

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darthstar Aug 9, 2015 • 6:43:35pm

Finally…a good guy with a gun.

SAS sniper saves Syrian father and eight-year-old son seconds from beheading - http://t.co/CZFen9Bw6N

— Zuma on Politics (@JimmyZuma) August 10, 2015

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HappyWarrior Aug 9, 2015 • 6:44:22pm

re: #253 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Mind asking him if anything from Webb or Chaffee.

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William Lewis Aug 9, 2015 • 6:44:33pm

re: #237 HappyWarrior

Webb is worse. At least Marty doesn’t pander to CSA lovers and I say that as a former constituent. Plus Marty was one of the first governors to support gay marriage.

Webb is not a democrat. I’m sorry, I know that reeks of “No True” but the simple reality is he’s been trying to find where he fits for decades and the answer is - neither party wants him.

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HappyWarrior Aug 9, 2015 • 6:44:43pm

re: #254 darthstar

Finally…a good guy with a gun.

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Wow.

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Belafon Aug 9, 2015 • 6:45:29pm

Here’s some interesting research on the Seattle group (daily kos link).

The group is called Outside Agitators 206. They created a BLM facebook page two days before Sanders speech.

To succeed, the Black Lives Matter Movement must transform the politics of Black America. By definition, that means declaring war on the Democratic Party, and forcing Black politicians and activists to choose between the Party and the people’s struggle.

As usual, the Democrats will try to make Black people more angry at the terminally racist Republican Party than at the police and local administration of their (typically) Democrat-run city. Hillary Clinton is already making noises of empathy with Blacks suffering under the urban police state. However, the Black Lives Matter movement has no institutional stake in the victory of either party, but is, in fact, locked in mortal political struggle with other Black people in the Democratic Party. These Black Democrats will insist on a truce, a cessation of agitation against national or local Democrats, until after the election.

I can definitely see the need to make movements like this separate from the parties at a certain level. But the second paragraph seems to indicate two disturbing things about this group:
1. It doesn’t really take into account that you generally have to choose one of the two parties to get anything done.
2. It’s going after blacks that are trying to change the Democratic party.

The diarist believes the entire purpose of this group is to drive a wedge between the BLM movement and Democrats.

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HappyWarrior Aug 9, 2015 • 6:45:30pm

re: #256 William Lewis

Webb is not a democrat. I’m sorry, I know that reeks of “No True” but the simple reality is he’s been trying to find where he fits for decades and the answer is - neither party wants him.

i tend to agree.

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Belafon Aug 9, 2015 • 6:46:22pm

re: #256 William Lewis

Webb is not a democrat. I’m sorry, I know that reeks of “No True” but the simple reality is he’s been trying to find where he fits for decades and the answer is - neither party wants him.

He’s a Dixiecrat.

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Backwoods_Sleuth Aug 9, 2015 • 6:46:46pm

For those who have clear skies tonight, it’s the annual Perseids meteor shower.
Sadly, I have heavy cloud cover and more storms headed this way.

So, I’ll have to be content with this:

Day 135. #MilkyWay. You're old, dusty, gassy and warped. But beautiful. Good night from @space_station! #YearInSpace pic.twitter.com/4q09y5CxGJ

— Scott Kelly (@StationCDRKelly) August 9, 2015

niters, lizardz!

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The Vicious Babushka Aug 9, 2015 • 6:46:49pm

re: #249 Pawn of the Oppressor

I’ve been reading Battle Cry of Freedom and last night I was treated to a float down the river of shit that was the 1850’s in the USA.

These chapters are loaded with quotes from Southerners describing their love for slavery, and their hopes to see it spread into places like Nicaragua and possibly the entire Gulf of Mexico. Noteworthy are the several failed expeditions by people I can only describe as GROUPS OF MONSTROUS ASSHOLES, trying to pry Cuba and Nicaragua loose from their respective colonial powers, and bring them into the US economic sphere as slave territories.

Page after page, quote after quote, painting a fairly comprehensive picture of the South as generally controlled by posturing, vicious, honor-obsessed thug life losers who quite firmly and happily saw dark-skinned people as Not People At All, and frankly seemed to enjoy the idea of fucking over anybody who stood in the way of spreading pure freaking Evil like a cancer over the whole earth, if they could manage it. And that’s before you even get to the part about Bleeding Kansas.

The sick part to me was that a lot of the quoted rhetoric was fundamentally no different from what you hear in the mouths of modern Republicans. The only difference is that they can’t openly say the n-word on national TV. All the resentment, all the failure, all the shit attitude, all the honor and “good Chrischun upright civilization vs. Filthy Librul Yankee” bullshit, is all still there. It’s astonishing.

And after you read this, which by the way is not a work of Chomsky trying to convince you that white capitalism is garbage, you start to wonder if maybe White Culture really is just plain f-ed up and evil. I’ve never felt racial shame before.

Gods help us, if there’s another war along these lines, this time the North better finish the job, not just politically but culturally, too.

Brazil was the BIGGEST SLAVE STATE in the Western Hemisphere and did not abolish slavery until 1888.

45% of the transatlantic slave trade went to Brazil, and less than 4% to North America

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aagcobb Aug 9, 2015 • 6:47:59pm

re: #249 Pawn of the Oppressor

I’ve been reading Battle Cry of Freedom and last night I was treated to a float down the river of shit that was the 1850’s in the USA.

These chapters are loaded with quotes from Southerners describing their love for slavery, and their hopes to see it spread into places like Nicaragua and possibly the entire Gulf of Mexico. Noteworthy are the several failed expeditions by people I can only describe as GROUPS OF MONSTROUS ASSHOLES, trying to pry Cuba and Nicaragua loose from their respective colonial powers, and bring them into the US economic sphere as slave territories.

Page after page, quote after quote, painting a fairly comprehensive picture of the South as generally controlled by posturing, vicious, honor-obsessed thug life losers who quite firmly and happily saw dark-skinned people as Not People At All, and frankly seemed to enjoy the idea of fucking over anybody who stood in the way of spreading pure freaking Evil like a cancer over the whole earth, if they could manage it. And that’s before you even get to the part about Bleeding Kansas.

The sick part to me was that a lot of the quoted rhetoric was fundamentally no different from what you hear in the mouths of modern Republicans. The only difference is that they can’t openly say the n-word on national TV. All the resentment, all the failure, all the shit attitude, all the honor and “good Chrischun upright civilization vs. Filthy Librul Yankee” bullshit, is all still there. It’s astonishing.

And after you read this, which by the way is not a work of Chomsky trying to convince you that white capitalism is garbage, you start to wonder if maybe White Culture really is just plain f-ed up and evil. I’ve never felt racial shame before.

Gods help us, if there’s another war along these lines, this time the North better finish the job, not just politically but culturally, too.

You ought to page this.

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HappyWarrior Aug 9, 2015 • 6:48:37pm

re: #260 Belafon

He’s a Dixiecrat.

I’m glad we have Kaine now.

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jaunte Aug 9, 2015 • 6:50:28pm

If I can't trust the integrity of Breitbart, I don't know what I can believe in anymore.
— Jeet Heer (@HeerJeet) August 10, 2015

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Belafon Aug 9, 2015 • 6:51:06pm

re: #261 Backwoods_Sleuth

For those who have clear skies tonight, it’s the annual Perseids meteor shower.
Sadly, I have heavy cloud cover and more storms headed this way.

So, I’ll have to be content with this:

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niters, lizardz!

I showed my youngest this, and he promised to take a picture like that when he’s up there.

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William Lewis Aug 9, 2015 • 6:52:54pm

re: #262 The Vicious Babushka

Brazil was the BIGGEST SLAVE STATE in the Western Hemisphere and did not abolish slavery until 1888.

And they overthrew the monarch for abolishing slavery. The Regent who signed it was a rather radical catholic but that was one thing she believed in. Later in life she said losing the throne was worth it for ending slavery in Brazil.

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Higgs Boson's Mate Aug 9, 2015 • 6:53:59pm

re: #261 Backwoods_Sleuth

The lights of Greater Boss Angeles will be standing in for the overcast here.

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The Vicious Babushka Aug 9, 2015 • 6:54:22pm

Shouldn’t she be holding a tray of HOT GUNZ?

#GOPBeLike “This @DLoesch is one of the best Hooters waitresses we've ever had wait on us.” pic.twitter.com/WnpU8RNwPy

— Pin Head (@TomAdelsbach) August 10, 2015

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Bass Reeves Aug 9, 2015 • 6:54:45pm

re: #258 Belafon

I can definitely see the need to make movements like this separate from the parties at a certain level. But the second paragraph seems to indicate two disturbing things about this group:
1. It doesn’t really take into account that you generally have to choose one of the two parties to get anything done.
2. It’s going after blacks that are trying to change the Democratic party.

The diarist believes the entire purpose of this group is to drive a wedge between the BLM movement and Democrats.

Again, the BLM movement doesn’t need help driving a wedge, other Democrats are already doing that. The variousLivesMatter movements and attacks against the BLM are already doing that. I’ve actually had the discussion with friends who are black and think we need to focus on teen pregnancy and black on black crime. This is called ‘respectability politics’, and it’s becoming much less acceptable, especially after Cosby got called out so vigorously. The being nice to Democratic candidates doesn’t actually seem to get them to focus on your issues, whatever they are. So BLM acts as a squeaky wheel, and maybe we’ll see some change.

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HappyWarrior Aug 9, 2015 • 6:54:51pm

re: #262 The Vicious Babushka

Brazil was the BIGGEST SLAVE STATE in the Western Hemisphere and did not abolish slavery until 1888.

45% of the transatlantic slave trade went to Brazil, and less than 4% to North America

Yeah this sort of blows up the bs that the south would have ended slavery quickly.

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Belafon Aug 9, 2015 • 6:56:07pm

Speaking of kids, I have a list of movies I try to show my kids before they leave for college. Since my kids are 5 years apart, it means I get to watch some of the multiple times, because, even though I’m fairly open to letting my kids watch things (I don’t buy the sex/violence argument), there are some things you just have to wait until they are at a certain age. So, last night, I watched Rocky Horror Picture Show with my 15 year old. I think it left the necessary impression. Columbia was his favorite.

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Shiplord Kirel Aug 9, 2015 • 6:56:23pm

re: #254 darthstar

Finally…a good guy with a gun.

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But Brits caint shoot. They don’t grow up with guns and cut their teeth on ‘em like our ‘Merkin kids! They ain’t got any guns ‘cause socialists and gays and Muslims took ‘em away!

Actually, the lack of civilian gun culture may help in training soldiers. I can imagine a British army trainee’s reaction when he is presented with his first rifle at the start of marksmanship training: “Yow! A real rifle; shoots, kills, all that. This is some goddamn serious shit! I better focus big time.” while an American might say, “Meh, my uncle has one about like it.”

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Dark_Falcon Aug 9, 2015 • 6:56:30pm

re: #254 darthstar

Finally…a good guy with a gun.

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In a related article on Daesh’s depredations the Express proceeds to do a Standard Media FAIL by calling the vehicle in this photo a “tank”:

The vehicle is actually a ZSU 23-4, a former Soviet-made self-propelled anti-aircraft gun. In 1991, these were seen as so dangerous to helicopters and A-10s that US and UK tank crews were sometimes ordered to take them out before engaging Iraqi tanks. This one, however, seems to be missing its radar unit.

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Romantic Heretic Aug 9, 2015 • 6:56:48pm

re: #246 SteveMcGaziBolaGate

Is there such a thing as favorable coverage for Trump?

I don’t think he cares.

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William Lewis Aug 9, 2015 • 6:58:28pm

re: #274 Dark_Falcon

In a related article on Daesh’s depredations the Express proceeds to do a Standard Media FAIL by calling the vehicle in this photo a “tank”:

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The vehicle is actually a ZSU 23-4, a former Soviet-made self-propelled anti-aircraft gun. In 1991, these were seen as so dangerous to helicopters and A-10s that US and UK tank crews were sometimes ordered to take them out before engaging Iraqi tanks. This one, however, seems to be missing its radar unit.

It’s common to remove the radar’s when they break down. They have a optical sight backup system that makes it possible.

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darthstar Aug 9, 2015 • 6:59:05pm

re: #274 Dark_Falcon

Looks a bit like a tank to me…easy to get confused. I suppose if I captured a self-propelled anti-aircraft gun I might jump on the hood and say to my friends, “Look, Akbar! I just captured a tank!” and put it all over the fezbook. But that’s just me.

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Dark_Falcon Aug 9, 2015 • 6:59:14pm

re: #273 Shiplord Kirel

But Brits caint shoot. They don’t grow up with guns and cut their teeth on ‘em like our ‘Merkin kids! They ain’t got any guns ‘cause socialists and gays and Muslims too ‘em away!

Actually, the lack of civilian gun culture may actually help in training soldiers. I can imagine a British army trainee’s reaction when he is presented with his first rifle at the start of marksmanship training: “Yow! A real rifle; shoots, kills, all that. This is some goddamn serious shit! I better focus big time.” while an American might say, “Meh, my uncle has one about like it.”

America has had some seriously deadly snipers, too. So has Canada, where long-range rifles are also much easier to get than in the UK.

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Shiplord Kirel Aug 9, 2015 • 7:00:12pm

re: #274 Dark_Falcon

In a related article on Daesh’s depredations the Express proceeds to do a Standard Media FAIL by calling the vehicle in this photo a “tank”:

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The vehicle is actually a ZSU 23-4, a former Soviet-made self-propelled anti-aircraft gun. In 1991, these were seen as so dangerous to helicopters and A-10s that US and UK tank crews were sometimes ordered to take them out before engaging Iraqi tanks. This one, however, seems to be missing its radar unit.

I’ve met the towed version in person.

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aagcobb Aug 9, 2015 • 7:00:36pm

If Trump did decide to establish a third party, which he could fund himself if he choose to, it would be America’s first fascist party of any electoral significance. It shows all of the hallmarks of fascism: xenophobia, a scapegoated minority group, militarism, simplistic “solutions” to complex policy positions and a personality cult. I know the GOP already exhibits a lot of these symptoms, but it has lacked a charismatic “great man” to build a cult of personality around until now.

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darthstar Aug 9, 2015 • 7:01:32pm

re: #276 William Lewis

It’s common to remove the radar’s when they break down. They have a optical sight backup system that makes it possible.

Remove?

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Pawn of the Oppressor Aug 9, 2015 • 7:01:50pm

re: #263 aagcobb

Aw well it’s not academic, just kind of a rant on my part. I do feel like you could quote-mine the whole chapter though, because it paints a clear picture of the post-war “State’s Rights” whitewash as the Everest-sized turd it is.

And Missouri? Jumpin’ jet-skiin’ Jesus, if Lincoln had The Bomb he should have used it there… My god… David Atchison and his little party of agitators were outright terrorists. John Brown was no peach either, of course, but to have a State Governor openly calling for terrorist murder of anti-slavery settlers?? And not a peep from the Pierce Administration to stop it. Just unbelievable.

“Stuff they didn’t teach you in history class”, indeed. Yes, I remember hearing about the events, but oddly a lot of the quotes and attitudes were left out of my AP U.S. History class…

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aagcobb Aug 9, 2015 • 7:03:01pm

re: #275 Romantic Heretic

I don’t think he cares.

The real question is if there is unfavorable coverage of Trump. So far, every “gaffe” has just moved him up in the polls. I can’t wait to see what the post-debate polling looks like.

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teleskiguy Aug 9, 2015 • 7:04:32pm

re: #244 The Vicious Babushka

Ask him when was the last time somebody walked into a church/school/theater and murdered a bunch of people with a Big Mac

I’ll think about it. Maybe I’ll do it at a later date, catch ‘em off guard.

I don’t know though, I don’t have a cast iron constitution like you do Alouette! I’m like Smokey in The Big Lebowski, I can be very fragile!

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The Vicious Babushka Aug 9, 2015 • 7:04:51pm

re: #278 Dark_Falcon

America has had some seriously deadly snipers, too. So has Canada, where long-range rifles are also much easier to get than in the UK.

The Soviets and that Finn

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Belafon Aug 9, 2015 • 7:05:06pm

re: #270 Bass Reeves

The being nice to Democratic candidates doesn’t actually seem to get them to focus on your issues, whatever they are. So BLM acts as a squeaky wheel, and maybe we’ll see some change.

I agree, and I’m all for that. As the tweet from Deray shows, the major candidates are at least showing they are trying to do something.

I’m not saying BLM has to play nice. I’d just be wary of any group that thinks metaphorically blowing things up will accomplish much.

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aagcobb Aug 9, 2015 • 7:05:23pm

re: #282 Pawn of the Oppressor

Aw well it’s not academic, just kind of a rant on my part. I do feel like you could quote-mine the whole chapter though, because it paints a clear picture of the post-war “State’s Rights” whitewash as the Everest-sized turd it is.

And Missouri? Jumpin’ jet-skiin’ Jesus, if Lincoln had The Bomb he should have used it there… My god… David Atchison and his little party of agitators were outright terrorists. John Brown was no peach either, of course, but to have a State Governor openly calling for terrorist murder of anti-slavery settlers?? And not a peep from the Pierce Administration to stop it. Just unbelievable.

“Stuff they didn’t teach you in history class”, indeed. Yes, I remember hearing about the events, but oddly a lot of the quotes and attitudes were left out of my AP U.S. History class…

And if you didn’t hear about it, AP History has just been white-washed to remove racism and white supremacy to appease the Right.

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darthstar Aug 9, 2015 • 7:05:32pm

re: #278 Dark_Falcon

America has had some seriously deadly snipers, too. So has Canada, where long-range rifles are also much easier to get than in the UK.

It has nothing to do with gun control. Snipers are people who simply spend hours learning how to use a specific weapon. If I wasn’t against killing people and wanted to go into the armed forces, I’d probably want to be a sniper. I loved shooting as a kid and I was a good shot through my twenties before I stopped hunting altogether. But that, too, is meaningless. You can take any asshole off the street, and if he or she has decent vision and a steady hand and learns how to breathe out as they squeeze the trigger, they can become a crack sniper.

It’s training, not culture. Every country that has snipers has good ones…even North Korea.

Next time the biathlon is on in the Olympics, pay attention.

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Franklin Aug 9, 2015 • 7:06:49pm

My lock screen rules pic.twitter.com/VCryG4pTwL

— Franklin (@franklinftw) August 10, 2015

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Dark_Falcon Aug 9, 2015 • 7:08:16pm

re: #277 darthstar

Looks a bit like a tank to me…easy to get confused. I suppose if I captured a self-propelled anti-aircraft gun I might jump on the hood and say to my friends, “Look, Akbar! I just captured a tank!” and put it all over the fezbook. But that’s just me.

It doesn’t have a tank’s armor, though. The ZSU’s armor is very thin and 1991 and 2003 the M2 Bradley experienced no trouble killing it with 25mm autocannon fire.

The reason the ZSU is used in towns or in mountain areas is that its high angle guns let it fire at infantry staging an abush from high ground or the upper floors of a building.

Daesh won’t likely get to keep that thing for long, for the ZSU 23-4 is still a high-priority target for attacking aircraft. For good reason, as the Saudi Air force found out when ZSU 23-4 manned by rebels formerly part of the Yemani army shot down a Saudi Tornado fighter-bomber. Those AAA vehicles are nasty in close, so they tend to get hit by a Maverick as soon as they are located and ID’d.

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teleskiguy Aug 9, 2015 • 7:10:15pm

Goddamn, that’s cool!

To avoid a busy intersection in the Netherlands, bikes travel on a roundabout in the sky http://t.co/ROFBZxUSUV pic.twitter.com/QlXSsxvtni

— Conrad Hackett (@conradhackett) August 10, 2015

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William Lewis Aug 9, 2015 • 7:11:20pm

re: #288 darthstar

I
It’s training, not culture. Every country that has snipers has good ones…even North Korea.

Not … quite. There is a huge psychological element involved.

I have a good friend who was a sniper in the US Army Rangers. He once told me that ANYONE can be a sniper - Once. It’s the people who can watch the results through a scope and pull the trigger a second time that make real snipers.

As a tanker I thought a whole lot about the fire that would have killed me if we’d gone to war in 1983. Sitting in my iron coffin was bad enough. But watching the other guy’s head explode? Nope. Not me. I had the technical skill thanks to putting deer in my freezer but I was not someone who could make the leap to doing that to people.

Others can.

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Dark_Falcon Aug 9, 2015 • 7:12:19pm

re: #287 aagcobb

And if you didn’t hear about it, AP History has just been white-washed to remove racism and white supremacy to appease the Right.

No it hasn’t. The standards still deal with racism and Jim Crow and they still make clear that slavery was the main cause of the Civil War.

I did read about this but it was a National Review article, so I’m not sure if you folks want me to post a link to it. I will if you’re willing to let me, but I won’t if it’s just going to tick people off.

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The Vicious Babushka Aug 9, 2015 • 7:14:00pm

re: #293 Dark_Falcon

No it hasn’t. The standards still deal with racism and Jim Crow and they still make clear that slavery was the main cause of the Civil War.

I did read about this but it was a National Review article, so I’m not sure if you folks want me to post a link to it. I will if you’re willing to let me, but I won’t if it’s just going to tick people off.

DO. NOT. LINK. TO. NATIONAL. REVIEW.

Kthxbai.

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Pawn of the Oppressor Aug 9, 2015 • 7:14:24pm

re: #274 Dark_Falcon

Eh, I’ll forgive them that mistake. It’s not a stretch for somebody who doesn’t know armored vehicles to call that a kind of tank. Armored, has treads, turret on top…

Yes, the radar is missing, but a quad-23mm would be very nasty against surface targets too. These nihilist dickheads must be having so much fun… I bet they take turns killing people with it.

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darthstar Aug 9, 2015 • 7:17:58pm

re: #292 William Lewis

Not me. I had the technical skill thanks to putting deer in my freezer but I was not someone who could make the leap to doing that to people.

Others can.

Yeah…I’m the same way. And people who jerk off to the idea of snipers are just romanticizing people who would most likely not want to talk about what they do.

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HappyWarrior Aug 9, 2015 • 7:18:13pm

re: #293 Dark_Falcon

No it hasn’t. The standards still deal with racism and Jim Crow and they still make clear that slavery was the main cause of the Civil War.

I did read about this but it was a National Review article, so I’m not sure if you folks want me to post a link to it. I will if you’re willing to let me, but I won’t if it’s just going to tick people off.

Pardon us if we don’t trust a publication founded by a bigoted jackass who spread the civil rights activists are commie agitators crap.

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RealityBasedSteve Aug 9, 2015 • 7:19:04pm

Had a great day today. Got to get a number of questions answered about a line of gear. Got to dive some stuff I wanted to try. Made some contacts with other shops and people. Got to dive with a couple of seriously good (and I mean rock-solid underwater) divers and felt like I acquitted myself with honors. My new dive computer ROCKS!!!!

Down side, my 45 dollar Casio dive watch had a pin break and it is now somewhere in the muck around 100 feet. Should have gotten a ‘zulu’ band for it. (it’s a design where even if a pin breaks, the watch stays on the strap) In any case, I’ve gotten well over a year’s use from it, and it was holding up great. Oh well, off to Amazon I go.

Chips and a cold drink are in order all around.

RBS

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teleskiguy Aug 9, 2015 • 7:19:15pm

re: #293 Dark_Falcon

Yeah, no. We’re not interested. National Review these days might as well be John Birch Society pamphlets.

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The Vicious Babushka Aug 9, 2015 • 7:21:10pm

re: #294 The Vicious Babushka

DO. NOT. LINK. TO. NATIONAL. REVIEW.

Kthxbai.

Because this==>

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HappyWarrior Aug 9, 2015 • 7:21:25pm

re: #299 teleskiguy

Yeah, no. We’re not interested. National Review these days might as well be John Birch Society pamphlets.

The only reason why Buckley ran away from the Birchers is because they were making the right wing movement look like the bigoted kooks they are. Buckley was a bigoted jackass but he understood optics. Welch and the JBS did not.

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HappyWarrior Aug 9, 2015 • 7:21:59pm

re: #300 The Vicious Babushka

Because this==>

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And their often employing white nationalist prick pretzels. Yeah NRO’s a great voice to have on why something isn’t racist.//

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Dark_Falcon Aug 9, 2015 • 7:22:01pm

re: #297 HappyWarrior

Pardon us if we don’t trust a publication founded by a bigoted jackass who spread the civil rights activists are commie agitators crap.

Buckley stopped being a bigot and NR no longer believes that about the civil rights workers. I’ll pardon you, but things aren’t what they used to be (and thank goodness for that).

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teleskiguy Aug 9, 2015 • 7:22:37pm

Fuck National Review! Fuck their “analysis” of the new AP History standards. Bunch of jingoistic crap.

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HappyWarrior Aug 9, 2015 • 7:23:07pm

re: #303 Dark_Falcon

Buckley stopped being a bigot and NR no longer believes that about the civil rights workers. I’ll pardon you, but things aren’t what they used to be (and thank goodness for that).

Okay but they did employ white nationalist writers as recently as a couple years ago. They’re assholes. I like you man but you need to get that.

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gwangung Aug 9, 2015 • 7:23:34pm

re: #303 Dark_Falcon

Buckley stopped being a bigot and NR no longer believes that about the civil rights workers. I’ll pardon you, but things aren’t what they used to be (and thank goodness for that).

Sorry, but frankly, you’re the least qualified to be able to say that. Particularly given the RECENT employment practices of the rag.

From my viewpoint, things the same as they ALWAYS have been.

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HappyWarrior Aug 9, 2015 • 7:24:37pm

re: #306 gwangung

Sorry, but frankly, you’re the least qualified to be able to say that. Particularly given the RECENT employment practices of the rag.

From my viewpoint, things the same as they ALWAYS have been.

They’ve followed the Atwater rule approach to civil rights which is you start out saying the n-word and end up being more subtle when that no longer flies.. Oh and just recently they called Deray McKeeson a race hustler or maybe it was race pimp but it was some vile racist shit like that.

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JadeHelmCurious Aug 9, 2015 • 7:26:02pm

re: #301 HappyWarrior

The only reason why Buckley ran away from the Birchers is because they were making the right wing movement look like the bigoted kooks they are. Buckley was a bigoted jackass but he understood optics. Welch and the JBS did not.

You mean Buckley was the anti-Trump?

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HappyWarrior Aug 9, 2015 • 7:26:05pm

NRO is the rag for the white supremacist who thinks he’s better than Jim Bob waving the CSA rag from his pickup and without a college education.

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teleskiguy Aug 9, 2015 • 7:26:25pm

re: #303 Dark_Falcon

This is a bunch of shit. National Review had to fire two writers of their magazine just in this decade due to racist tendencies. The white male writers of that stupid fucking rag probably wish they could write about how the blah people are a bunch of savages killing each other in the street (Chicago Chicago Chicago) and that white culture is the savior of civilization. But those fuckers at NR are savvy enough to know that their traffic will dwindle to TakiMag/VDARE levels if they go down that road. They wish they could, though!

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William Lewis Aug 9, 2015 • 7:26:41pm

re: #303 Dark_Falcon

Buckley stopped being a bigot and NR no longer believes that about the civil rights workers. I’ll pardon you, but things aren’t what they used to be (and thank goodness for that).

His sincerity about his repentance is arguable at best and since Buckley’s death it’s been a veritable maelstrom down to the depths of JBS insanity and racism. National Racism Online will probably never be an acceptable source again in our lifetimes.

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HappyWarrior Aug 9, 2015 • 7:27:01pm

re: #308 JadeHelmCurious

You mean Buckley was the anti-Trump?

Yeah I think Buckley did care about the image of the movement he was helping to create in response to the New Deal consensus. Trump just says whatever bullshit comes out of his mouth. Buckley was a prick make no mistake but he wasn’t an impulsive one.

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Shiplord Kirel Aug 9, 2015 • 7:31:07pm

re: #278 Dark_Falcon

America has had some seriously deadly snipers, too. So has Canada, where long-range rifles are also much easier to get than in the UK.

Yes, true that. My point is that being steeped in civilian gun culture isn’t necessarily any kind of advantage in providing an army with this kind of capability.

The NRA was originally created in 1871 in an effort to improve the then-abysmal level of marksmanship in the US Army. They hadn’t made much progress by 1876, when some of Custer’s men at Little Bighorn had never fired their weapons before, and very few had anything like the skill to use the Springfield carbine to its potential. It’s doubtful that better shooting could have saved Custer’s command, but poor marksmanship became a public issue after the debacle and the army instituted a regular program of training and practice.
By the 20th century, the NRA’s original objectives had been achieved and it turned to other things.

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goddamnedfrank Aug 9, 2015 • 7:33:44pm

LOL @ National Review isn’t racist anymore.

Step Aside, Reverend Al: The Next Generation of Race-Baiters Has Arrived http://t.co/9K2ugvdLQY pic.twitter.com/UE5TX9mjoa

— National Review (@NRO) June 23, 2015

Uh huh.

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Dark_Falcon Aug 9, 2015 • 7:33:48pm

re: #304 teleskiguy

Fuck National Review! Fuck their “analysis” of the new AP History standards. Bunch of jingoistic crap.

How is the following paragraph “jingoistic”?

Last week, the College Board released its revised APUSH framework and, to our pleasant surprise, it’s not just better — it’s flat-out good. It’s good because it offers a contextualized, robust account of American history. It no longer talks merely about the ravages of capitalism, but also about American economic dynamism; no longer only the moral complexities of Truman’s decision to drop the atomic bomb, but also the fight against fascism of which that decision was part. No longer does it frame colonial and 19th-century history almost wholly in terms of 21st-century notions of race dynamics; now it takes care to acknowledge the layers of ethnic tensions and the significance of other ideas and imperatives. Religion and civil society are now in evidence. The caricature of Reagan has given way to a reasonable treatment of what he sought to do.

No link, per requests.

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HappyWarrior Aug 9, 2015 • 7:35:18pm

re: #314 goddamnedfrank

LOL @ National Review isn’t racist anymore.

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Uh huh.

Yep. That’s not even two months old. That zebra hasn’t changed its spots. And it’s doubtful that it ever will.

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Belafon Aug 9, 2015 • 7:35:45pm

re: #315 Dark_Falcon

How is the following paragraph “jingoistic”?

No link, per requests.

no longer only the moral complexities of Truman’s decision to drop the atomic bomb, but also the fight against fascism of which that decision was part.

So we dropped the bomb to stop Germany?

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teleskiguy Aug 9, 2015 • 7:36:17pm

re: #315 Dark_Falcon

Uh. All I’m reading there is RAH RAH RAH AIN’T AMERICA GREAT!?

Fuckin’ try again, dude. On second thought, don’t.

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HappyWarrior Aug 9, 2015 • 7:36:20pm

re: #317 Belafon

So we dropped the bomb to stop Germany?

As usual the “intellectuals” at NRO talk out of their ass.

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Timothy Watson Aug 9, 2015 • 7:37:16pm

re: #274 Dark_Falcon

In a related article on Daesh’s depredations the Express proceeds to do a Standard Media FAIL by calling the vehicle in this photo a “tank”:

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The vehicle is actually a ZSU 23-4, a former Soviet-made self-propelled anti-aircraft gun. In 1991, these were seen as so dangerous to helicopters and A-10s that US and UK tank crews were sometimes ordered to take them out before engaging Iraqi tanks. This one, however, seems to be missing its radar unit.

I remember those cursed things from the original Operation Flashpoint video game.

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HappyWarrior Aug 9, 2015 • 7:37:24pm

Yeah how dare history books talk about the conditions in the mines, steel mills, oil refinaries that made Andrew Carnegie and John D. Rockefeller wealthy more than your wildest dreams. Why it would be socialist to talk about it.// NRO can kiss my ass.

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teleskiguy Aug 9, 2015 • 7:38:22pm

“History is the polemics of the victor.”

-William F. Buckley, where he’s actually 100% honest for once.

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HappyWarrior Aug 9, 2015 • 7:38:48pm

Capitalism is a nice philosophy but it’s not the fuck yeah philosophy that the plutocratic apologists at NRO make it out to be. NRO’s world is a world where we shit on the minimum wage worker wanting to get a raise but applaud that CEO who gives himself a bonus that is more than the median household income.

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jaunte Aug 9, 2015 • 7:40:22pm

Historians blast Advanced Placement U.S. History framework
washingtonpost.com

“The letter was signed by historians and others from a wide range of schools including Harvard, Stanford, Yale and Princeton universities, as well Lynne Cheney, former chair of the National Endowment for the Humanities and the wife of former vice president Dick Cheney.

It was published by a group called the National Association of Scholars”

National Association of Scholars’s Board of Advisors:
John H. Bunzel, Hoover Institution
Edwin J. Delattre, American Enterprise Institute
Chester E. Finn, Fordham Foundation
Gertrude Himmelfarb, Independent Women’s Forum
Paul Hollander, National Review, Front Page Magazine
Harry V. Jaffa, Claremont Institute
Donald Kagan, Project for the New American Century
Jeane J. Kirkpatrick, UN Ambassador under President Reagan, American Enterprise Institute
Irving Kristol, American Enterprise Institute
Richard D. Lamm, American Reform Party
Leslie Lenkowsky, National Review
Seymour Martin Lipset, Hoover Institution
Christina Hoff Sommers, Independent Women’s Forum
Shelby Steele, Hoover Institution, Manhattan Institute
Stephan Thernstrom, Manhattan Institute
James Q. Wilson, Manhattan Institute

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HappyWarrior Aug 9, 2015 • 7:41:21pm

re: #324 jaunte

Historians blast Advanced Placement U.S. History framework
washingtonpost.com

For all their whining about liberalism “brainwashing” America’s youth through academics, conservatives seem determined to do so.

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teleskiguy Aug 9, 2015 • 7:41:22pm

re: #324 jaunte

That was the link I was looking for. Thanks, jaunte.

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Blind Frog Belly White Aug 9, 2015 • 7:42:07pm

re: #325 HappyWarrior

For all their whining about liberalism “brainwashing” America’s youth through academics, conservatives seem determined to do so.

Ah, but you see, it’s not brainwashing when they do it.

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Dark_Falcon Aug 9, 2015 • 7:42:36pm

re: #320 Timothy Watson

I remember those cursed things from the original Operation Flashpoint video game.

That game was set in 1985, and back then it was the Red Army primary self-propelled AA gun. The Russian Navy’s Naval Infantry still use it, having declined to switch to newer and heavier vehicles.

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jaunte Aug 9, 2015 • 7:43:16pm

Last year, I asked renowned historian James McPherson of Princeton University what he thought of the framework. McPherson, who won the Pulitzer Prize for his 1989 book “Battle Cry of Freedom” and is a former president of the American Historical Association, said this:
I am somewhat familiar with the controversy, and my sentiments are entirely on the side of the AP History framework. It was put together by teachers and historians who have been working on it for years. It is a sound framework that will help teachers improve the teaching of AP history. The criticism of it seems motivated mainly by right-wing politics.
washingtonpost.com

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teleskiguy Aug 9, 2015 • 7:45:22pm

I think Dark_Falcon gets pleasure from pissing off his friends in this online community.

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HappyWarrior Aug 9, 2015 • 7:45:32pm

re: #327 Blind Frog Belly White

Ah, but you see, it’s not brainwashing when they do it.

Heh true. And frankly when it comes to teaching and discussing negative aspects of American history, American cons are no different from ultra Japanese nationalists who deny the atrocities committed by the empire or the Turks who continue to deny the Armenian genocide. They think any presentation of history that isn’t rah rah America fuck yeah shouldn’t be taught and frankly as an owner of a BA in history, that’s crap scholarship. We have a great country and a proud history but we need to teach our history even our bad parts and that yes includes the bad parts where laborers rights were trampled to protect wealthy interests, where slavery prevailed over 70 years after the Constitution was ratified, where African-Americans were second class citizens for years, etc.

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HappyWarrior Aug 9, 2015 • 7:46:49pm

re: #329 jaunte

He’s absolutely right and it’s interesting to see that most of the people involved in these changes aren’t teachers or historians at all but right wingers that have an ax to grind with any version of American history that isn’t gung ho.

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Dark_Falcon Aug 9, 2015 • 7:47:57pm

re: #317 Belafon

So we dropped the bomb to stop Germany?

More like the necessity of defeating Japan decisively and undeniably. Both US civilian policymakers and the military remembered the myth that had arisen in Germany that the German Army had been “stabbed in the back” and they wanted no repeat of that. It was considered crucial that both Germany and Japan admit they had been defeated and then be fully occupied to ensure the formation of new governments and to ensure the population could not deny they had been defeated.

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HappyWarrior Aug 9, 2015 • 7:52:42pm

Let’s look at the issues that were important to our country in NR’s existence as a publication.
McCarthyism? Buckley was a huge McCarthy supporter.
Civil Rights? Yep wrong.
Apartheid and other “enemy of my enemy is my friend dictatorships” in Africa and South America? Yep wrong.
And today.
Women’s reproductive issues? Well Kevie Williamson thinks women who make the right to choose should be hanged.
Civil Rights? Employed white nationalist John Derbyshire for years and just recently called Deray a race hustler. Hmmmm. There’s a trend I’m noticing with NR and it’s they’re wrong more than they’re right- pun intended.

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Dark_Falcon Aug 9, 2015 • 7:52:46pm

re: #321 HappyWarrior

And no, history books should record what Rockefeller and Carnegie did wrong, but they should also say what they did right. Lots of real progress was made in the latter half of the 19th century and capitalism was a big driver of that progress.

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Blind Frog Belly White Aug 9, 2015 • 7:53:09pm

re: #332 HappyWarrior

He’s absolutely right and it’s interesting to see that most of the people involved in these changes aren’t teachers or historians at all but right wingers that have an ax to grind with any version of American history that isn’t gung ho.

I am so sick and tired of ‘American Exceptionalism’, because the folks who use that term, and who demand everyone agree with them, use it as an excuse to do the inexcusable. If I never hear the term again, it will be too soon.

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teleskiguy Aug 9, 2015 • 7:53:10pm

re: #324 jaunte

We believe that the study of history should expose our young students to vigorous debates about the nature of American exceptionalism, American identity, and America’s role in the world.

RAH RAH RAH MURKA!

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Charles Johnson Aug 9, 2015 • 7:54:24pm

re: #303 Dark_Falcon

Buckley stopped being a bigot and NR no longer believes that about the civil rights workers. I’ll pardon you, but things aren’t what they used to be (and thank goodness for that).

Things at National Review are exactly what they used to be. No, actually … they’re worse. They have a guy writing for them now who believes women who have abortions should be EXECUTED BY HANGING, along with their doctors.

Please don’t try to tell me how much better National Review is these days. They’re absolutely horrible people espousing absolutely horrible things.

I can hardly believe you’re trying to sell this hooey at LGF.

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jaunte Aug 9, 2015 • 7:54:32pm

re: #337 teleskiguy

Just don’t talk about the United Fruit Company.

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Higgs Boson's Mate Aug 9, 2015 • 7:55:01pm

re: #328 Dark_Falcon

That game was set in 1985, and back then it was the Red Army primary self-propelled AA gun. The Russian Navy’s Naval Infantry still use it, having declined to switch to newer and heavier vehicles.

Some outfits in Vietnam had great success using the M42 Duster (Produced from 1952-1959) in an AP role. It was also originally designed for AA and, AFAIK, never carried radar. Some of those gunners could just about write their names in 40mm.

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Blind Frog Belly White Aug 9, 2015 • 7:55:09pm

re: #337 teleskiguy

We believe that the study of history should expose our young students to vigorous debates about the nature of American exceptionalism, American identity, and America’s role in the world.

RAH RAH RAH MURKA!

What did I JUST SAY?!?

/////////

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William Lewis Aug 9, 2015 • 7:55:49pm

Well, Sunday is the one day of the week I can try to crash early. Tonight I can. Good night all, till the morrow springs anew. Or yadayadayada like that :D

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HappyWarrior Aug 9, 2015 • 7:55:59pm

re: #335 Dark_Falcon

And no, history books should record what Rockefeller and Carnegie did wrong, but they should also say what they did right. Lots of real progress was made in the latter half of the 19th century and capitalism was a big driver of that progress.

What history books are these that have said that they did wrong?Even my quite liberal American history professor was quick to point out that Carnegie’s establishment of the Carnegie libraries was a positive part of his legacy. There was progress accomplished but your friends at NRO want to ignore that it did come at a cost. Talking child labor, industrial accidents caused by employers who did not want safety regulations for their workers, etc. The Industrial Revolution was a great accomplishment for our country and it is quite amazing that we went in just a century from the horse and buggy to automobile and airplane but it did come out at a cost- a human cost that too many laissez-faire capitalist cheerleaders ignore.

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Blind Frog Belly White Aug 9, 2015 • 7:57:17pm

re: #337 teleskiguy

RAH RAH RAH MURKA!

Reading it again, it reminds me of the ‘Saving the Pink Bits for you ungrateful lot’ scene from ‘Hope and Glory’.

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HappyWarrior Aug 9, 2015 • 7:58:00pm

re: #336 Blind Frog Belly White

I am so sick and tired of ‘American Exceptionalism’, because the folks who use that term, and who demand everyone agree with them, use it as an excuse to do the inexcusable. If I never hear the term again, it will be too soon.

I love my country but these people want to white wash all the bad parts of our country’s history. They really do resemble the groups I mentioned in how they approach history.

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b_sharp Aug 9, 2015 • 7:59:38pm

Sometimes it’s nice to sit back, relax and be Canadian without all the pressure to live up to American Exceptionalism.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge Aug 9, 2015 • 7:59:47pm

re: #336 Blind Frog Belly White

I am so sick and tired of ‘American Exceptionalism’, because the folks who use that term, and who demand everyone agree with them, use it as an excuse to do the inexcusable. If I never hear the term again, it will be too soon.

Just remind them the term was coined by Joe Stalin.

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HappyWarrior Aug 9, 2015 • 8:00:03pm

The people who cheerlead for “capitalism” and by “capitalism” i mean the Gilded Age version that resisted any reforms that protected workers and human rights are people who all have cushy jobs writing from a nice desk in New York or L.A in a job that they got chances due to their own establishment connections. The people who say “We don’t need unions anymore” are people who wouldn’t last in modern day blue collar work let alone the conditions of our great grandparents.

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teleskiguy Aug 9, 2015 • 8:00:31pm

I minored in History for my B.A. I take interpretation of U.S. History very seriously. The new AP History standards frighten me. They were written by white Christian males in the Deep South and they have no bearing on historical reality.

Too late. Kids in AP History courses are going to learn how awesome Reagan was, how slavery was good for the economy, how black people weren’t up to snuff to govern themselves during Reconstruction, how the United States is a God-blessed nation that is better than every nation that has ever been…the list goes on.

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HappyWarrior Aug 9, 2015 • 8:00:37pm

re: #346 b_sharp

Sometimes it’s nice to sit back, relax and be Canadian without all the pressure to live up to American Exceptionalism.

Is that called “Canadian, we’re okay eh, we don’t need to be great.”

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BeachDem Aug 9, 2015 • 8:00:44pm

re: #209 HappyWarrior

I do too. I like him since he’s arguably more progressive than Hillary and better at understanding politics than Sanders.

I love Old Handsome Joe. I just get really pissed that the media has tried (and in some ways succeeded) in labeling him as a “gaffe machine” and implying that he’s not very smart.

I think he is VERY smart, and I also think that many of the things they call gaffes are just Joe speaking clearly (not to be confused with “straight talking” McCain or “politically incorrect” moron, Trump.)

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HappyWarrior Aug 9, 2015 • 8:01:49pm

re: #349 teleskiguy

I minored in History for my B.A. I take interpretation of U.S. History very seriously. The new AP History standards frighten me. They were written by white Christian males in the Deep South and they have no bearing on historical reality.

Too late. Kids in AP History courses are going to learn how awesome Reagan was, how slavery was good for the economy, how black people weren’t up to snuff to govern themselves during Reconstruction, how the United States is a God-blessed nation that is better than every nation that has ever been…the list goes on.

I do too as a history BA. You have to learn from the good and bad to understand history. Teaching children America rah rah doesn’t teach them anything. It’ s not merely butchering history but it’s also teaching our students terrible critical thinking skills.

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jaunte Aug 9, 2015 • 8:02:21pm

re: #349 teleskiguy

And the people educated with these standards will be absolutely flabbergasted, and taken aback, unprepared for the reality that a lot of people around the world don’t appreciate our self-induced historical amnesia.

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HappyWarrior Aug 9, 2015 • 8:02:58pm

re: #351 BeachDem

I love Old Handsome Joe. I just get really pissed that the media has tried (and in some ways succeeded) in labeling him as a “gaffe machine” and implying that he’s not very smart.

I think he is VERY smart, and I also think that many of the things they call gaffes are just Joe speaking clearly (not to be confused with “straight talking” McCain or “politically incorrect” moron, Trump.)

He is a lot more smart than his detractors in and out of party give him credit for. He just speaks his mind. He’s what I call a street smart politician. He may not have the prestigious education that Obama or Clinton had but he’s got a lot of savvy too.

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The Ghost of a Flea Aug 9, 2015 • 8:05:00pm

re: #338 Charles Johnson

Usually I mention this is a jocular manner, but…seriously, the editor of NRO is a guy who wrote a book about how current-day liberals are the *real* fascists, ideologically in sync with Hitler.

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HappyWarrior Aug 9, 2015 • 8:05:11pm

re: #353 jaunte

And the people educated with these standards will be absolutely flabbergasted, and taken aback, unprepared for the reality that a lot of people around the world don’t appreciate our self-induced historical amnesia.

Yep. And then we bitch about “rude Europeans.” Hell, I do appreciate our contribution to winning the second world war but note I said contribution. I saw a t-shirt on the Boardwalk this past week that said something to the effect of “America: Winner of back to back world wars.” I’m not offended by that but I found it unbelievably tacky and yes to a degree offensive for the Soviet soldiers and civilians who gave a whole lot more than we did in WWII. Not that our contributions weren’t vital but I think too many Americans don’t appreciate the cost that was paid in the East.

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Decatur Deb Aug 9, 2015 • 8:05:52pm

re: #215 Bass Reeves

This may be somewhat missing the point of the BLM focus. When you talk about ‘internal unity’ in BLM, you are dealing with a group whose focus is NOT GETTING SLAUGHTERED IN THE STREETS BY COPS. BLM is not focused on winning elections exactly, more like NOT GETTING SLAUGHTERED IN THE STREETS BY COPS.

The response to BLM in the larger progressive movement was All Lives Matter, which is seen by many in the BLM movement as an attempt to either suborn the BLM struggle, or erase it totally. So the BLM feels there is no ‘wide progressive solidarity’ already, because they have been absolutely attacked by progressive just for having the movement. Again, with the focus of not getting slaughtered in the streets by cops.

In my opinion, the BLM members will more than likely vote for the Democratic Party candidate, because what choice do they have? But if they shake up the candidates (basically Hillary and Sanders) enough, the candidates may be forced to actually make some policy promises that deal with the issue of police shooting unarmed black people all the damned time.

Been away.

Two years from now we will be entertaining President Walker or President Clinton. Which of them is most likely to help people NOT GET SLAUGHTERED IN THE STREETS BY COPS? Or does it even matter?

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teleskiguy Aug 9, 2015 • 8:06:23pm

re: #352 HappyWarrior

You have to learn from the good and bad to understand history. Teaching children America rah rah doesn’t teach them anything. It’ s not merely butchering history but it’s also teaching our students terrible critical thinking skills.

The book “Lies My Teacher Told Me” by James Loewen really blew my mind open about how history is written. I was your age, perhaps younger, when I first read it in Steamboat Springs, CO. It inspired me to learn more! A couple of years after I read that book, I was back in college, a guy in his late 20s trying to finish a bachelor’s degree he barely started a decade earlier.

B.A. in English with History minor from Western State Colorado University.

And still, all I want to do is ski!

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jaunte Aug 9, 2015 • 8:07:15pm

re: #357 Decatur Deb

Scott Walker: Solve Racial Problems By Ignoring Them http://t.co/Wh4uI9RVBj #p2 #AINF #TNTVote #Uniteblue pic.twitter.com/L5KwIcvagu

— Stephen Gary (@kindcutesteve) August 10, 2015

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HappyWarrior Aug 9, 2015 • 8:07:18pm

re: #355 The Ghost of a Flea

Usually I mention this is a jocular manner, but…seriously, the editor of NRO is a guy who wrote a book about how current-day liberals are the *real* fascists, ideologically in sync with Hitler.

Yeah. That’s not someone I can have polite disagreements with. If Jonah wants to have a serious ideological discussion fine, but the second you compare my ideology, the ideology by the way of the presidents that were in charge of this country in the fight against Nazism to Nazism you can kiss my liberal ass. I won’t compare conservatives to Nazis. I do think Nazism is a right wing ideology and objective evidence agrees with that but do I think right wing = Nazi, nope, but that doesn’t stop the pricks at NRO for likening any socialist like they did with Sanders to Stalin or Hugo Chavez.

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Higgs Boson's Mate Aug 9, 2015 • 8:07:41pm

re: #357 Decatur Deb

Been away.

Two years from now we will be entertaining President Walker or President Clinton. Which of them is most likely to help people NOT GET SLAUGHTERED IN THE STREETS BY COPS? Or does it even matter?

We can’t even get reasonable gun control. The political will isn’t there for cop control.

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HappyWarrior Aug 9, 2015 • 8:08:25pm

re: #358 teleskiguy

The book “Lies My Teacher Told Me” by James Loewen really blew my mind open about how history is written. I was your age, perhaps younger, when I first read it in Steamboat Springs, CO. It inspired me to learn more! A couple of years after I read that book, I was back in college, a guy in his late 20s trying to finish a bachelor’s degree he barely started a decade earlier.

B.A. in English with History minor from Western State Colorado University.

And still, all I want to do is ski!

We did things the opposite buddy. I was a history major, english minor. Need to read that book. There’s so much that they miss in American history class either due to politics or time constraints.

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teleskiguy Aug 9, 2015 • 8:10:26pm

re: #346 b_sharp

Sometimes it’s nice to sit back, relax and be Canadian without all the pressure to live up to American Exceptionalism.

Fuck you, eh.

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Decatur Deb Aug 9, 2015 • 8:10:38pm

re: #361 Higgs Boson’s Mate

We can’t even get reasonable gun control. The political will isn’t there for cop control.

About 40 percent of the electorate is quite happy with the way cops are selected, trained and disciplined. I’d rather they didn’t get to pick the person who picks the person who runs the DoJ.

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HappyWarrior Aug 9, 2015 • 8:12:14pm

re: #364 Decatur Deb

About 40 percent of the electorate is quite happy with the way cops are selected, trained and disciplined. I’d rather they didn’t get to pick the person who picks the person who runs the DoJ.

I shiver at the thought about who any of the GOP candidates have in mind to run the DOJ. And I thought Ashcroft was as bad as it got. Got a feeling we’re going to be saying that we ain’t seen nothing yet.

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BeachDem Aug 9, 2015 • 8:12:17pm

re: #234 William Lewis

I seriously think O’Malley is the worst Democrat in the race. Pure east coast big urban machine Democrat who thinks having all the votes means people actually like him. Uh.. sorry, but nope.

I think Webb is the worst one—he’s just so BORED—so completely uninterested—I don’t know why he’s even running, or how he gather enough energy to even file.

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teleskiguy Aug 9, 2015 • 8:12:24pm

re: #362 HappyWarrior

Need to read that book. There’s so much that they miss in American history class either due to politics or time constraints.

You’re a history buff. Get that book. It’s a fun read!

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HappyWarrior Aug 9, 2015 • 8:13:07pm

re: #367 teleskiguy

You’re a history buff. Get that book. It’s a fun read!

Definitely going to. I actually do need to brush up on American history. Most of my studies were in the European context.

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HappyWarrior Aug 9, 2015 • 8:14:43pm

re: #366 BeachDem

I think Webb is the worst one—he’s just so BORED—so completely uninterested—I don’t know why he’s even running, or how he gather enough energy to even file.

Already covered. I seriously do not have a clue what he is doing. First he quits because he apparently is bored with politics. Okay fair enough, we now have Tim Kaine in the Senate and Kaine is great. But now Webb thinks he’s presidential material? You know how they say first impressions are everything? I have to concede this was the case with me and Webb. I didn’t like him from the get go though he grew on me once he became the nominee for Senate and beat that bigoted asshole George Allen.

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Dark_Falcon Aug 9, 2015 • 8:14:57pm

On these history standards revisions you guys really are making a mountain out of a molehill. But its your right to do so, and mine to disagree. And so I bid you goodnight.

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teleskiguy Aug 9, 2015 • 8:17:05pm

re: #370 Dark_Falcon

On these history standards revisions you guys really are making a mountain out of a molehill.

Huh?!?

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Jenner7 Aug 9, 2015 • 8:17:51pm

The Sanders campaign just released the beginnings of a racial justice platform that has many strong elements, influenced by the movement.

— deray mckesson (@deray) August 10, 2015

In case you missed it, here is the O'Malley Criminal Justice Platform: https://t.co/LSQQJRZmo9.

— deray mckesson (@deray) August 10, 2015

Now we wait for Clinton…

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HappyWarrior Aug 9, 2015 • 8:17:53pm

re: #370 Dark_Falcon

On these history standards revisions you guys really are making a mountain out of a molehill. But its your right to do so, and mine to disagree. And so I bid you goodnight.

You’re talking to two guys who spent a significant amount of their college education taking history classes. I’m sorry DF. I’ve seen what happens when people with an agenda are responsible for writing history and the results aren’t pretty. Let history books be written by historians and teachers and not some hacks that have an obvious agenda. You’re free to disagree of course but it really does bother me as someone who took a history course every semester for nearly four years.

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jaunte Aug 9, 2015 • 8:18:16pm

It’s a good thing we fought off the Vietnamese invasion back in the 60’s, or we’d be learning that revisionist history.

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Jenner7 Aug 9, 2015 • 8:18:24pm

If you've not seen it, here is the newly released initial draft of the Sanders Racial Justice Platform: https://t.co/qq1HKFvCnz.

— deray mckesson (@deray) August 10, 2015

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teleskiguy Aug 9, 2015 • 8:19:05pm

re: #353 jaunte

And the people educated with these standards will be absolutely flabbergasted, and taken aback, unprepared for the reality that a lot of people around the world don’t appreciate our self-induced historical amnesia.

Quoted, for Dark_Falcon’s weird and kind of stupid #370.

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HappyWarrior Aug 9, 2015 • 8:26:54pm

What purpose does it serve telling kids that slavery wasn’t so bad? Is it to soothe the conscience of conservatives who think that any portrayal of what our founders did that doesn’t paint them as secular Gods should be ignored or minimized. Like it or not, most of our early presidents and leaders were slave owners. Does it mean that I even think Jefferson, Washington, and those guys were evil and that I don’t appreciate their contributions to the founding of our country? Nope. Not at all but our contradictions as a nation are part of our history too. While our founders wrote about “all men being created equally”, they themselves including the man that penned those words were owning other human beings. Now on the flip side, I’m definitely in favor of also teaching about how Franklin was involved in an abolition society and even Alexander Hamilton who isn’t exactly going to win homecoming king in most discussions about America’s early years was an opponent of slavery. Contradictions are history and to ignore them is to ignore history. Sorry for rambling about this but this is something legitimately important to me since as I said, it is what I got my major in.

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bratwurst Aug 9, 2015 • 8:29:51pm

Breitbart Staffers Believe Trump Has Given Money To Site For Favorable Coverage

Possible, but my theory is that a large number of writers there are bigoted and misogynist fuckwits who just plain old love Trump.

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retired cynic Aug 9, 2015 • 8:29:59pm

re: #377 HappyWarrior

Human beings are complicated, not black or white (pun semi-intended). Learning that lesson early is a good thing!

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jaunte Aug 9, 2015 • 8:30:01pm

A Shakespearean Guide to the 2016 Republican Primary:
mcsweeneys.net

Donald Trump

… many a man hath more hair than wit.

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retired cynic Aug 9, 2015 • 8:31:31pm

re: #380 jaunte

That could be said about all of them, IMO, including the ‘she.’

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Decatur Deb Aug 9, 2015 • 8:32:34pm

re: #375 Jenner7

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He, like Angela Davis, wants to break the school-to-prison pipeline. That will accomplish more than chasing down asshole cop in Podunk.

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TedStriker Aug 9, 2015 • 8:32:37pm

re: #363 teleskiguy

Fuck you, eh.

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Hoser…

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jaunte Aug 9, 2015 • 8:32:46pm

re: #381 retired cynic

Some good quotes there:

Mike Huckabee

The devil can cite Scripture for his purpose.

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ozharas Aug 9, 2015 • 8:36:12pm

re: #13 SteveMcGaziBolaGate

It can go further than just the initial scam. Recent reports here about the types of Australian’s being arrested in Hong Kong, China etc or at our border in Australia , reveal that they were initially scammed for money by Nigerian emails, which went on to get them enlisted as drug couriers.

abc.net.au

Elderly pensioners, legally blind, mentally ill, children, have a brain injury, disability pensioners, with the same story about it starting with an email.

RICHARD GRANT, AUSTRALIAN CRIME COMMISSION: Since 2013, there’s been 39 people arrested at the border who have been clearly groomed by these syndicates that are operating offshore and these people have been arrested at the border with drugs.

SEAN RUBINSZTEIN-DUNLOP: Two thirds of those dealt with by the Australian courts were cleared after lengthy jail time. Australian authorities have told 7.30 they’re part of a wave of vulnerable people - the frail, mentally ill, elderly and children who have been duped or pressured into smuggling drugs from Asia into Australia by crime groups from West Africa.

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teleskiguy Aug 9, 2015 • 8:36:59pm

re: #377 HappyWarrior

Yup.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate Aug 9, 2015 • 8:38:38pm

re: #293 Dark_Falcon

No it hasn’t. The standards still deal with racism and Jim Crow and they still make clear that slavery was the main cause of the Civil War.

I did read about this but it was a National Review article, so I’m not sure if you folks want me to post a link to it. I will if you’re willing to let me, but I won’t if it’s just going to tick people off.

I will support Dark on this point. The AP USH framework has not removed anything about slavery, Jim Crow or racism. That’s one reason why the RWNJs are so up in arms about it — it doesn’t adhere to their ideas of American Exceptionalism and “America is always right.”

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teleskiguy Aug 9, 2015 • 8:39:01pm

Is pot roast made in a pot?… #itsmy2cents

— Larry King (@kingsthings) August 10, 2015

I make pot roast in a dutch oven. Is that a pot?

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Decatur Deb Aug 9, 2015 • 8:41:14pm

re: #366 BeachDem

Not getting any love from your HRC guy. Could you prod them again? Tell him I’ll defect to Bernie.

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BeachDem Aug 9, 2015 • 8:42:06pm

re: #359 jaunte

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Scott. Walker. Is. An. Asshole.

There is really nothing more to say about him. Shudder.

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BeachDem Aug 9, 2015 • 8:43:27pm

re: #364 Decatur Deb

About 40 percent of the electorate is quite happy with the way cops are selected, trained and disciplined. I’d rather they didn’t get to pick the person who picks the person who runs the DoJ.

I’d also rather they didn’t get to pick the next three Supreme Court Justices.

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Decatur Deb Aug 9, 2015 • 8:43:35pm

re: #390 BeachDem

Scott. Walker. Is. An. Asshole.

There is really nothing more to say about him. Shudder.

And in 18 months he could be an asshole with launch codes.

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teleskiguy Aug 9, 2015 • 8:44:41pm

re: #387 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

I will support Dark on this point. The AP USH framework has not removed anything about slavery, Jim Crow or racism. That’s one reason why the RWNJs are so up in arms about it — it doesn’t adhere to their ideas of American Exceptionalism and “America is always right.”

However, they have made some of the language of some of the darker moments in USH softer. There’s a minimization of the horrors of slavery, there’s more pronounced “Carpetbagger/Scalawag” mythology during Reconstruction, who knows maybe the rise of the KKK in the early 20th century might be downplayed. There’s real problems in the writing of these textbooks and they will get worse before they get better.

394

BeachDem Aug 9, 2015 • 8:48:32pm

re: #389 Decatur Deb

Not getting any love from your HRC guy. Could you prod them again? Tell him I’ll defect to Bernie.

Did you email him? I will call him tomorrow and see what’s up—he said he knew the perfect contact.

Damn.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate Aug 9, 2015 • 8:48:33pm

On the AP USH matter, have I missed something? The last I heard, the RW was all batshit crazy about the latest framework, so much so that students and teachers boycotted schools to protest RW school boards trying to monkey with the standards.

Regardless, the AP framework is not supposed to compel a certain historical analysis. It’s supposed to treat the study of history as analysis, which is how it is handled at the collegiate level. If you all are now saying the College Board has thrown in with the American Exceptionalists and revisionists, I’m gonna be really depressed.

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BeachDem Aug 9, 2015 • 8:49:44pm

re: #392 Decatur Deb

And in 18 months he could be an asshole with launch codes.

Well, thanks for that picture!

Once again, kinda glad I’m old and don’t have kids.

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Decatur Deb Aug 9, 2015 • 8:50:00pm

re: #394 BeachDem

Yep, a few days ago. I’ll send again tomorrow during work hours.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate Aug 9, 2015 • 8:50:33pm

re: #393 teleskiguy

However, they have made some of the language of some of the darker moments in USH softer. There’s a minimization of the horrors of slavery, there’s more pronounced “Carpetbagger/Scalawag” mythology during Reconstruction, who knows maybe the rise of the KKK in the early 20th century might be downplayed. There’s real problems in the writing of these textbooks and they will get worse before they get better.

Yeah, but the College Board doesn’t write the texts. The teachers select books from a recommended list of primary and secondary sources. If a teacher is using a single history textbook, they’re doing the course way wrong.

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teleskiguy Aug 9, 2015 • 8:53:20pm

re: #395 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

It’s bad. I mean, not crisis bad, but the whole political element scares me. Wingers are angry and shit!

mashable.com

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bratwurst Aug 9, 2015 • 8:55:36pm

I honestly try not to be in the habit of pimping my own pages, but I just spent more than 90 minutes getting this one together…and I think remembering a true hero is not a bad way to spend a few moments of Sunday night:

The Obituary of a Canadian Doctor and a Lesson for Those Who Demonize Federal Agencies

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jaunte Aug 9, 2015 • 8:55:41pm

re: #399 teleskiguy

Colorado’s Jefferson County school district convened a board to review the course, stating that information taught should promote patriotism and “respect for authority.”

Sure, Respect For Authority was what drove the American Revolution!

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teleskiguy Aug 9, 2015 • 8:57:24pm

re: #398 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

Yeah, but the College Board doesn’t write the texts. The teachers select books from a recommended list of primary and secondary sources. If a teacher is using a single history textbook, they’re doing the course way wrong.

That opens up another whole can of worms; are teachers teaching AP History courses correctly, with multiple texts of primary and secondary sources? Is there accountability for those kinds of things?

I’ll call my pops tomorrow night and ask. He’s been teaching AP History for almost two decades.

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retired cynic Aug 9, 2015 • 8:57:29pm

re: #401 jaunte

There has to be somewhere between not respecting unworthy authority, and rebellion against worthy authority.

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BeachDem Aug 9, 2015 • 8:58:25pm

re: #397 Decatur Deb

Yep, a few days ago. I’ll send again tomorrow during work hours.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate Aug 9, 2015 • 8:59:29pm

re: #399 teleskiguy

re: #401 jaunte

I know that the RWNjs are attacking APUSH the same way they attack the IB program — as some kind of commie pinko One-World conspiracy to brainwash our kids into thinking America is the not the Greatest Nation Evah! Mostly, they’re mortally afraid of critical thinking skills the students might inevitably acquire.

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Decatur Deb Aug 9, 2015 • 9:01:10pm

re: #402 teleskiguy

That opens up another whole can of worms; are teachers teaching AP History courses correctly, with multiple texts of primary and secondary sources? Is there accountability for those kinds of things?

I’ll call my pops tomorrow night and ask. He’s been teaching AP History for almost two decades.

Do you know you can get a set of shoulder pads for the cost of 3 or 4 textbooks?

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Jenner7 Aug 9, 2015 • 9:01:49pm

And they are out in riot gear on W. Florissant. pic.twitter.com/iXxtFpeYPy

— deray mckesson (@deray) August 10, 2015

What’s really sad is that even with the scathing DOJ report, nothing has changed in Ferguson.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate Aug 9, 2015 • 9:02:39pm

re: #402 teleskiguy

That opens up another whole can of worms; are teachers teaching AP History courses correctly, with multiple texts of primary and secondary sources? Is there accountability for those kinds of things?

I’ll call my pops tomorrow night and ask. He’s been teaching AP History for almost two decades.

The College Board requires an annual audit of the texts, scope and sequence of each AP course. I had to do it for AP Physics. It’s not terribly difficult to “pass” the audit, but if your course is not up to snuff, the College Board will forbid the school from using the AP trademark or advertising the course as preparation for the CB exams.

Also, if the teacher is doing a lousy job, the students’ AP scores will all suck.

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teleskiguy Aug 9, 2015 • 9:03:48pm

re: #406 Decatur Deb

Do you know you can get a set of shoulder pads for the cost of 3 or 4 textbooks?

I did not know that!

Those shoulder pads might be plopped on some dude (no, not a gal! gals don’t play foo-ball) that’ll be a Champion! We’ll see him on TV! Playing for the Oakland Raiders!

*spit*

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate Aug 9, 2015 • 9:05:38pm

Incidentally, I’m now stateside until Sept. 3, currently residing with my daughter in Iowa. I note that a certain ginger avenger has posted on his so-called “internet newspaper,” but at the moment I could care less.

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jaunte Aug 9, 2015 • 9:05:53pm

Woman is lecturing her young son on police violence in front of a line of cops in riot gear. W Florissant, Ferguson pic.twitter.com/PS4usgI41M

— Jon Swaine (@jonswaine) August 10, 2015

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Higgs Boson's Mate Aug 9, 2015 • 9:06:07pm

re: #406 Decatur Deb

Do you know you can get a set of shoulder pads for the cost of 3 or 4 textbooks?

I stopped buying shoulder pads when someone told me that I’d never look as good in them as Joan Crawford did.

413

Teukka Aug 9, 2015 • 9:06:59pm

OT, but got wind of this one…

Christianity Tody: For one Christian faith speaker, however, Trump is serving as an instrument of God and a modern “prophetic voice” to wake up America, which some prominent pastors have described as having strayed from Christian values.

I mean, REALLY?!

414

Decatur Deb Aug 9, 2015 • 9:08:16pm

re: #411 jaunte

If school is back in session he can get credit for a field trip.

415

Teukka Aug 9, 2015 • 9:09:11pm

re: #413 Teukka

Another one: Prophecy: Donald Trump Shall Become the Trumpet — Charisma Magazine

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate Aug 9, 2015 • 9:09:29pm

re: #413 Teukka

Os Hillman is head of something called Marketplace Leaders, those being Christian businessmen, I’m sure.

417

Decatur Deb Aug 9, 2015 • 9:10:07pm

re: #413 Teukka

OT, but got wind of this one…

Christianity Tody: For one Christian faith speaker, however, Trump is serving as an instrument of God and a modern “prophetic voice” to wake up America, which some prominent pastors have described as having strayed from Christian values.

I mean, REALLY?!

Parable of the John and the Vegas Showgirl.

418

Higgs Boson's Mate Aug 9, 2015 • 9:12:31pm

re: #413 Teukka

OT, but got wind of this one…

Christianity Tody: For one Christian faith speaker, however, Trump is serving as an instrument of God and a modern “prophetic voice” to wake up America, which some prominent pastors have described as having strayed from Christian values.

I mean, REALLY?!

“Trump is like a great wind breaking in the face of America.”

419

wheat-dogghazi-mailgate Aug 9, 2015 • 9:14:58pm

Switching to sleep mode. See you all anon.

420

teleskiguy Aug 9, 2015 • 9:15:12pm

This asshole.

From someone who is actually in Ferguson rather than screengrabbing a monitor: this is incorrect https://t.co/jEmRu8CeqU

— Jon Swaine (@jonswaine) August 10, 2015

Surprise! Media outnumbers protesters in #ferguson tonight pic.twitter.com/fvTm0dwybq

— Jim Hoft (@gatewaypundit) August 10, 2015

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I Stand With Planned Parenthood Aug 9, 2015 • 9:16:37pm

re: #66 Jenner7

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Damn.

When we know who the monster is and still he roams free —this frustrates me.

422

jaunte Aug 9, 2015 • 9:16:47pm

re: #420 teleskiguy

Chief Belmar says at the height of the protests, around 250 people were in the streets. Now closer to around 30. #Ferguson

— Andrew Peng (@TheAPJournalist) August 10, 2015

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I Stand With Planned Parenthood Aug 9, 2015 • 9:17:24pm

Torchwood is terribly campy, yet some how addictive.

424

Jenner7 Aug 9, 2015 • 9:17:26pm

911 Hair Salon window broken @AntonioFrench now on guard duty. pic.twitter.com/htDEILqjwZ

— Search4Swag (@search4swag) August 10, 2015

425

BeachDem Aug 9, 2015 • 9:18:51pm

Three things about that NBC/Survey Monkey poll.

Number one, which should give Reince Priebus permanent heartburn:

54% of Trump supporters said that if Trump didn’t get the Republican nomination and ran as as independent, they would vote for him.

2. Less than 50% of those polled watched any of the debates (18% watched both; 2% watched the “kiddie debate”, 21% watched the main debate.)

3. So their “who won the debates” question was based on ” From what you have heard and read, who do you think won or did the best job in the Republican debates?”

What a bunch of hooey.

pdf.investintech.com

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teleskiguy Aug 9, 2015 • 9:20:38pm

Several bursts of gunfire on W florissant

— Jon Swaine (@jonswaine) August 10, 2015

Serious situation on West Florissant Ave. Protesters, reporters crouched behind vehicles as police search for shooters

— Jon Swaine (@jonswaine) August 10, 2015

“Officer-involved shooting” just stated on radio of cop beside me in group behind cars in Family Dollar parking lot

— Jon Swaine (@jonswaine) August 10, 2015

Y'all, shots fired. They just whizzed by us. It just got crazy real on W. Florissant. Y'all.

— deray mckesson (@deray) August 10, 2015

The bullets whizzing by ain't no joke.

— deray mckesson (@deray) August 10, 2015

427

Jenner7 Aug 9, 2015 • 9:21:42pm

Oh no….

428

I Stand With Planned Parenthood Aug 9, 2015 • 9:22:04pm

#GOPBeLike “The Pope is a hippie socialist!” pic.twitter.com/8EjY3E34aW

— Bipartisan Report (@Bipartisanism) August 10, 2015

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teleskiguy Aug 9, 2015 • 9:22:38pm

Group of St Louis County cops and reporters behind an SUV in parking lot on W Florissant Ave opposite McDonalds pic.twitter.com/x0Z7mjjrhX

— Jon Swaine (@jonswaine) August 10, 2015

430

Jenner7 Aug 9, 2015 • 9:23:59pm

I'm under arrest right now

— Search4Swag (@search4swag) August 10, 2015

431

bratwurst Aug 9, 2015 • 9:24:23pm

re: #425 BeachDem

Three things about that NBC/Survey Monkey poll.

Number one, which should give Reince Priebus permanent heartburn:

54% of Trump supporters said that if Trump didn’t get the Republican nomination and ran as as independent, they would vote for him.

2. Less than 50% of those polled watched any of the debates (18% watched both; 2% watched the “kiddie debate”, 21% watched the main debate.)

3. So their “who won the debates” question was based on ” From what you have heard and read, who do you think won or did the best job in the Republican debates?”

What a bunch of hooey.

pdf.investintech.com

I know I am a fool to be surprised by the depths Chuck Todd seems willing to scrape, but the idea that an ostensible major network news program would spend a SECOND on an online poll is unbelievable. It would be a cliché to suggest Tim Russert must be rolling in his grave, but…Tim Russert must be rolling in his grave.

432

Jenner7 Aug 9, 2015 • 9:24:54pm

Search4swag is recording. Someone has been shot. He’s pleading with cops to get him some help.

433

I Stand With Planned Parenthood Aug 9, 2015 • 9:29:53pm

Baby Otters! pic.twitter.com/Sw7ext1Nu8

— Animal Planet (@MeetAnimals) August 10, 2015

434

I Stand With Planned Parenthood Aug 9, 2015 • 9:30:19pm

night all

435

BeachDem Aug 9, 2015 • 9:30:43pm

re: #425 BeachDem

Three things about that NBC/Survey Monkey poll.

Number one, which should give Reince Priebus permanent heartburn:

54% of Trump supporters said that if Trump didn’t get the Republican nomination and ran as as independent, they would vote for him.

2. Less than 50% of those polled watched any of the debates (18% watched both; 2% watched the “kiddie debate”, 21% watched the main debate.)

3. So their “who won the debates” question was based on ” From what you have heard and read, who do you think won or did the best job in the Republican debates?”

What a bunch of hooey.

pdf.investintech.com

And a bit more:

Also, they didn’t release all the poll questions—they said they’re holding questions 1-5, 9, and 11-13 for future release. (looks like they held back 25 and 26 as well) The whole poll was 29 questions, and 10 of them were demographic questions. So, of 19 actual questions, they only published 8 answers—and some of the questions were bogus.

And this is what Chuck Toad was hanging his hat on? What a joke.

436

teleskiguy Aug 9, 2015 • 9:32:42pm

Jesus fucking Christ.

Click to Reveal

pic.twitter.com/S7ZfGpVMgL

— Search4Swag (@search4swag) August 10, 2015

pic.twitter.com/dsrEDWV1Bs

— Search4Swag (@search4swag) August 10, 2015

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Eventual Carrion Aug 9, 2015 • 9:33:08pm

re: #388 teleskiguy

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I make pot roast in a dutch oven. Is that a pot?

I hope so or I’ve been doing rump roast totally wrong all these years.

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Decatur Deb Aug 9, 2015 • 9:33:25pm

re: #436 teleskiguy

No image.

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Teukka Aug 9, 2015 • 9:34:41pm

re: #438 Decatur Deb

No image.

reload the twitter frame or click the time.

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Decatur Deb Aug 9, 2015 • 9:36:30pm

re: #439 Teukka

thnx

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge Aug 9, 2015 • 9:39:25pm

‘Trigger-happy’ brother of Kansas Gov. Sam Brownback accused of terrorizing neighbor family

According to the Topeka Capital-Journal, Jim Brownback is known by his neighbors and residents of Linn County as a trigger-happy bully who uses his famous last name to get his way and avoid the consequences of his actions.

“Adversaries say he has woven a liquor-infused tapestry of fear colored by intimidation, abuse and lies. The saga features stalking, death threats, trespassing, drive-by gunfire, massive explosions, cattle theft, loan defaults, hit-and-run driving and marital strife,” wrote the Capital-Journal’s Tim Carpenter.

Locals fear him, said Carpenter, and many were reluctant to speak on record for fear of reprisal in one of Jim Brownback’s campaigns of so-called “neighborhood terrorism.”

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teleskiguy Aug 9, 2015 • 9:39:54pm

Officer involved shooting and from the sounds of it, it's fatal.

— ShordeeDooWhop (@Nettaaaaaaaa) August 10, 2015

443

Higgs Boson's Mate Aug 9, 2015 • 9:41:55pm

If I season a rump roast with marijuana does it become a pot roast?

444

Jenner7 Aug 9, 2015 • 9:42:21pm

re: #442 teleskiguy

From the video’s of Search4swag, it didn’t look like they were moving.

On August 9th.

Damn it!

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teleskiguy Aug 9, 2015 • 9:42:23pm

Behind building is where a body is. Lots of police. Behind me a yng girl screaming, “Why did they kill my boyfriend?” pic.twitter.com/07CML7yqnP

— Michael Skolnik (@MichaelSkolnik) August 10, 2015

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Eclectic Cyborg Aug 9, 2015 • 9:47:57pm

re: #400 bratwurst

I honestly try not to be in the habit of pimping my own pages, but I just spent more than 90 minutes getting this one together…and I think remembering a true hero is not a bad way to spend a few moments of Sunday night:

The Obituary of a Canadian Doctor and a Lesson for Those Who Demonize Federal Agencies

Oustanding page. I love reading about other great Canadians.

447

Single-handed sailor Aug 9, 2015 • 9:48:16pm

Live Stream

448

teleskiguy Aug 9, 2015 • 9:50:21pm

Chaotic in Ferguson pic.twitter.com/lKZM7tglGW

— Jon Swaine (@jonswaine) August 10, 2015

449

darthstar Aug 9, 2015 • 9:50:42pm

re: #315 Dark_Falcon

How is the following paragraph “jingoistic”?

No link, per requests.

This is not a good time to defend the National Review. Think before you post.

450

darthstar Aug 9, 2015 • 9:51:38pm

You know what? Fuck this shit. This is insane. https://t.co/fMPNALIbmc

— Sean McCabe (@darthstar99) August 10, 2015

451

Eclectic Cyborg Aug 9, 2015 • 9:51:55pm

Oh great. Ferguson PD just started ANOTHER shitstorm.

452

Eclectic Cyborg Aug 9, 2015 • 9:54:06pm

I have a bad feeling this is about to get worse…

453

Jenner7 Aug 9, 2015 • 9:55:33pm

Small cut under my eye from being pushed into the fence… No big deal.

— Search4Swag (@search4swag) August 10, 2015

I was just been released…cuffed and detain for not…leaving the scene…no one was really sure.

— Search4Swag (@search4swag) August 10, 2015

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teleskiguy Aug 9, 2015 • 9:55:39pm

re: #452 Eclectic Cyborg

I have a bad feeling this is about to get worse…

If it does, we can all see it, in real time, on the internet. There is that.

455

teleskiguy Aug 9, 2015 • 9:57:14pm

Every got damn “one year later” interview the reporters asked have the police changed. The wonder is absolutelythefucknot.

— ShordeeDooWhop (@Nettaaaaaaaa) August 10, 2015

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Jenner7 Aug 9, 2015 • 9:57:39pm

Listen to this. Just crazy.

Hella gun fire pic.twitter.com/pAg4D6R2az

— Search4Swag (@search4swag) August 10, 2015

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bratwurst Aug 9, 2015 • 9:57:39pm

re: #446 Eclectic Cyborg

Oustanding page. I love reading about other great Canadians.

Thanks! I was familiar with the awful story of thalidomide, but had never known the name of the hero who prevented a bad situation from becoming much worse until coming across her obituary in my newspaper over dinner tonight. I read that she eventually became a dual national, but the fact she was born and died in Canada certainly gives you claim to her in my book. I would guess there is a very short list of Canadians (or other foreign nationals) who have been honored by US presidents like that.

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teleskiguy Aug 9, 2015 • 9:58:55pm

re: #456 Jenner7

JEEZUZ! I hear close to 20 gunshots.

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teleskiguy Aug 9, 2015 • 10:00:17pm

St Louis County police confirms one of their officers shot somebody in Ferguson tonight.

— Jon Swaine (@jonswaine) August 10, 2015

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teleskiguy Aug 9, 2015 • 10:03:15pm

What an awful situation in Ferguson tonight. On 9 August of all dates. Fuck, man.

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Jenner7 Aug 9, 2015 • 10:05:06pm

He was put in the ambulance alive

— Search4Swag (@search4swag) August 10, 2015

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