Ted Cruz Appears With Anti-Gay Hate Group American Family Association, Openly Advocates Theocracy

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People sometimes ask me why I bother paying attention to the extreme right wing American Family Association and their insane caveman spokesman Bryan Fischer. Aren’t they just a fringe group with no real influence?

No, they’re not a fringe group at all. In fact, they’re highly connected politically and it’s not unusual for top Republican politicians to court them and their reactionary audience of religious fanatics.

Today’s example: here’s Republican presidential candidate Ted Cruz appearing on their radio show and explicitly advocating a theocratic government for the United States.

“Nothing is more important in the next 18 months than that the body of Christ rise up and that Christians stand up, that pastors stand up and lead,” Cruz proclaimed. “In this last election, 54 million evangelical Christians stayed home … If we can simply bring Christians to the polls — is it any wonder we have the government we have, we have the leaders we have if believers stay home and leave electing our leaders to unbelievers. We get exactly what we deserve and nothing is more important that having people of faith stand up and just vote our values, vote biblical values and that’s how we turn the country around.”

Right Wing Watch lists the “five specific steps” Cruz told AFA president Tim Wildmon he would take on his first day in office as president:

  1. Rescind every one of President Obama's "illegal executive actions."
  2. Order the Department of Justice to open an investigation into Planned Parenthood for possible criminal prosecution.
  3. Direct every government agency to end "the persecution of religious liberty."
  4. "Rip to shreds" the Iran nuclear deal.
  5. Begin the process of moving the American embassy in Israel to Jerusalem.

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356 comments

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The Vicious Babushka  Aug 11, 2015 • 11:58:28am

Don’t leave out #6. Abolish the IRS and replace with a Fair/Flat tax, IOW raise taxes on the poor while giving the rich another big tax cut.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 11, 2015 • 11:58:38am

He is a theocrat, no question. Notice that he constantly talks about Christians and never anyone else. He’s a clerical fascist. asshole as are the AFA.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 11, 2015 • 11:59:08am

re: #1 The Vicious Babushka

Don’t leave out #6. Abolish the IRS and replace with a Fair/Flat tax, IOW raise taxes on the poor while giving the rich another big tax cut.

I think those were five things that Cruz specifically mentioned at his AFA speech.

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The Vicious Babushka  Aug 11, 2015 • 12:01:24pm

These people don’t give an actual shit about Israel except as the background for their Armageddon extermination fantasy.

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Iwouldprefernotto  Aug 11, 2015 • 12:02:05pm

Mr. Cruz what would be left to do on day two?

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aagcobb  Aug 11, 2015 • 12:03:11pm

re: #5 Iwouldprefernotto

Mr. Cruz what would be left to do on day two?

Mobilizing the national guard to seal the border and close every single abortion clinic.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 11, 2015 • 12:03:31pm

re: #4 The Vicious Babushka

These people don’t give an actual shit about Israel except as the background for their Armageddon extermination fantasy.

That’s all their support for Israel is. It’s fucking sick.

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wrenchwench  Aug 11, 2015 • 12:04:13pm

I hope Y’all Qaeda doesn’t win the next presidential election!

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aagcobb  Aug 11, 2015 • 12:05:42pm

I wish someone would ask these idiots this question. So you will tear up the Iran deal day one, after the sanctions have been lifted and their frozen assets returned, meaning you are canceling the part of the deal which prohibits Iran from building a nuke, correct?

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HappyWarrior  Aug 11, 2015 • 12:06:13pm

re: #8 wrenchwench

I hope Y’all Qaeda doesn’t win the next presidential election!

Fortunately for us I think it will be difficult for them but nothing’s guaranteed one way or the other.

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ObserverArt  Aug 11, 2015 • 12:06:52pm

Doesn’t Cruz refer to himself as a “constitutional” lawyer? What constitution would that be?

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The Vicious Babushka  Aug 11, 2015 • 12:07:01pm

I wonder how many wingnuts know this==>

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HappyWarrior  Aug 11, 2015 • 12:07:16pm

re: #9 aagcobb

I wish someone would ask these idiots this question. So you will tear up the Iran deal day one, after the sanctions have been lifted and their frozen assets returned, meaning you are canceling the part of the deal which prohibits Iran from building a nuke, correct?

Like Wildmon and the dicks that run the AFA would actually ask Ted a hard question about anything. These guys love being spoon fed bullshit because they love spoon feeding bullshit to the gullible fools that fund keep their organization afloat.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 11, 2015 • 12:07:48pm

re: #11 ObserverArt

Doesn’t Cruz refer to himself as a “constitutional” lawyer? What constitution would that be?

A theocratic one. Perhaps Calvin’s Geneva.

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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Aug 11, 2015 • 12:08:17pm

everybody wants theocracy but nobody will join my aristocratic party why is that huh huh?

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SteveMcGaziBolaGate  Aug 11, 2015 • 12:08:56pm

I wonder if the idiots who want to tear up the Iran deal realize that if they did, the US would never be able to negotiate with anybody ever again.

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aagcobb  Aug 11, 2015 • 12:09:01pm

re: #11 ObserverArt

Doesn’t Cruz refer to himself as a “constitutional” lawyer? What constitution would that be?

The David Barton Constitution which God gave Moses.

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jaunte  Aug 11, 2015 • 12:09:22pm

re: #12 The Vicious Babushka

“When America has a Republican President again, we can fix that.”

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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Aug 11, 2015 • 12:09:23pm

re: #11 ObserverArt

Doesn’t Cruz refer to himself as a “constitutional” lawyer? What constitution would that be?

“blaine! blaine! james g blaine! continental liar from the state of maine!”

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lawhawk  Aug 11, 2015 • 12:09:30pm

Cruz is a US Senator who seems not to understand his job, let alone that of the President.

Figures.

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ObserverArt  Aug 11, 2015 • 12:09:51pm

re: #9 aagcobb

I wish someone would ask these idiots this question. So you will tear up the Iran deal day one, after the sanctions have been lifted and their frozen assets returned, meaning you are canceling the part of the deal which prohibits Iran from building a nuke, correct?

Sort of makes you wonder if Iran was counting on the deal getting scuttled so they can go about doing what they want, with as you say, no sanctions and freed monies.

In a way, the deal whether accepted or killed works for Iran and puts them in a better position than what they had.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Aug 11, 2015 • 12:09:55pm

re: #17 aagcobb

The David Barton Constitution which God gave Moses.

I see a John McNaughton painting in my mind….

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Iwouldprefernotto  Aug 11, 2015 • 12:09:57pm

re: #17 aagcobb

The David Barton Constitution which God gave Moses.

Was Moses on a dinosaur (holding an AK-47)????

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aagcobb  Aug 11, 2015 • 12:10:28pm

re: #13 HappyWarrior

Like Wildmon and the dicks that run the AFA would actually ask Ted a hard question about anything. These guys love being spoon fed bullshit because they love spoon feeding bullshit to the gullible fools that fund keep their organization afloat.

Maybe a CNN debate moderator will ask the question during the next GOP debate, but I wouldn’t count on it.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Aug 11, 2015 • 12:10:28pm

Hey at least he’s being honest and admitting he would screw things up from the get go!

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Aunty Entity Dragon  Aug 11, 2015 • 12:10:51pm

re: #4 The Vicious Babushka

These people don’t give an actual shit about Israel except as the background for their Armageddon extermination fantasy.

Here’s a nightmarish extermination short novella set in the mid ’80s with Oliver North and the Cthulhu mythos.

infinityplus.co.uk

What happens when Russia, Iraq, Iran (and us) start playing around with nasty things left laying around by the Eldar Gods? Nothing good…

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aagcobb  Aug 11, 2015 • 12:11:46pm

re: #16 SteveMcGaziBolaGate

I wonder if the idiots who want to tear up the Iran deal realize that if they did, the US would never be able to negotiate with anybody ever again.

They don’t care. Every negotiator is Chamberlain, every enemy is Hitler, and every deal is Munich.

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Aunty Entity Dragon  Aug 11, 2015 • 12:11:56pm

re: #6 aagcobb

Mobilizing the national guard to seal the border and close every single abortion clinic.

Huckabee went on the record yesterday advocating using the National Guard to shut down all abortion clinics.

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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Aug 11, 2015 • 12:12:06pm

re: #17 aagcobb

The David Barton Constitution which God gave Moses.

cruz is concentrating on interpreting the bible correctly so that it appoints him president

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The Vicious Babushka  Aug 11, 2015 • 12:12:32pm

re: #26 Aunty Entity Dragon

Hey Aunty you have a recommended list of instrumental Celtic albums that I asked for?

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Aunty Entity Dragon  Aug 11, 2015 • 12:13:44pm

re: #30 The Vicious Babushka

Hey Aunty you have a recommended list of instrumental Celtic albums that I asked for?

Let me get back to you on that soon. We had a real rough week and my pain issues have been bad.

Sorry :(

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aagcobb  Aug 11, 2015 • 12:14:13pm

re: #28 Aunty Entity Dragon

Huckabee went on the record yesterday advocating using the National Guard to shut down all abortion clinics.

And I didn’t even know that when I wrote it; I just know how the wingnuts think.

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jaunte  Aug 11, 2015 • 12:14:27pm

re: #28 Aunty Entity Dragon

Huckabee went on the record yesterday advocating using the National Guard to shut down all abortion clinics.

Next step, round up the wimminz.

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The Vicious Babushka  Aug 11, 2015 • 12:15:10pm

re: #31 Aunty Entity Dragon

Let me get back to you on that soon. We had a real rough week and my pain issues have been bad.

Sorry :(

Oh. OK. I know what that can be like :(

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ObserverArt  Aug 11, 2015 • 12:15:28pm

re: #16 SteveMcGaziBolaGate

I wonder if the idiots who want to tear up the Iran deal realize that if they did, the US would never be able to negotiate with anybody ever again.

For many RWNJs and Neocons that would be the standard they live by. Do not negotiate…attack and kill.

And sadly, I caught a sound bite of Chuck Schumer last evening saying he would like to see us go back to the negotiating table for a better deal.

Needles to say, Schumer is on my shit list now.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 11, 2015 • 12:15:55pm

re: #30 The Vicious Babushka

Hey Aunty you have a recommended list of instrumental Celtic albums that I asked for?

I can give you a few that I like.
Martin Hayes and Dennis Cahill: Live In Seattle, The Lonesome Touch, and Welcome Here Again.
Martin Hayes: Martin Hayes, Under the Moon.
Loved listening to that stuff when I was working on papers. Anything by the Chieftains is also good. Not sure how familiar you are with Celtic music but it’s really quite relaxing music IMO.

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Charles Johnson  Aug 11, 2015 • 12:16:14pm
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The Vicious Babushka  Aug 11, 2015 • 12:16:33pm

AND IF I AM ELECTED POTUS I WILL MAKE SURE THAT NO POOR PERSON WILL EVER BE TREATED IN THIS FACILITY

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Dr. Matt  Aug 11, 2015 • 12:16:36pm

re: #20 lawhawk

Cruz is a US Senator who seems not to understand his job, let alone that of the President.

Figures.

Like the rest of the teabag caucus, he’s more concerned about scoring pitiful political points.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 11, 2015 • 12:18:37pm

re: #27 aagcobb

They don’t care. Every negotiator is Chamberlain, every enemy is Hitler, and every deal is Munich.

Yeah if I had a dime for every time I saw a deal compared to Munich, I’d be wealthy. It’s so fucking predictable like these guys are programmed to say “Well Chamberlain got fooled by Hitler at Munich.” Frankly, the crapping on the Chamberlain decision pisses me off and you’re hearing this from a guy who had family in Czechoslovakia at that time directly impacted by that move. The people who crap on him and the decision don’t take into account what Britain’s situation was in 1938. It’s pathetic hindsight bias by psuedo-historians who have bought the Churchill was always right bs. Churchill does deserve credit for seeing what Hitler was early but the hindsight bias with Chamberlain is so tiring. Sorry rant off.

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gwangung  Aug 11, 2015 • 12:18:43pm

re: #37 Charles Johnson

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‘Twas said about the Klan in 1963, too.

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The Vicious Babushka  Aug 11, 2015 • 12:18:57pm

Remember this photo op of Ted Cruz kneeling on a little foam pad, praying for poor people with pre-existing conditions to not have health insurance?

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HappyWarrior  Aug 11, 2015 • 12:19:50pm

re: #42 The Vicious Babushka

Remember this photo op of Ted Cruz kneeling on a little foam pad for poor people with pre-existing conditions to not have health insurance?

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Yep, yet another example of what a dick he is. Glad Ted wants to go back to the days where I could be denied coverage because of a heart condition I have no control over. He’s a fucking monsterous dick.

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EPR-radar  Aug 11, 2015 • 12:20:25pm

re: #16 SteveMcGaziBolaGate

I wonder if the idiots who want to tear up the Iran deal realize that if they did, the US would never be able to negotiate with anybody ever again.

For the few wingnuts that remain capable of such simple reality-based deductions, that is probably a desired outcome. It would facilitate their desired ‘all war all the time’ foreign policy.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Aug 11, 2015 • 12:20:27pm

re: #35 ObserverArt

For many RWNJs and Neocons that would be the standard they live by. Do not negotiate…attack and kill.

And sadly, I caught a sound bite of Chuck Schumer last evening saying he would like to see us go back to the negotiating table for a better deal.

Needles to say, Schumer is on my shit list now.

It’s like I said the other day, the Either/Or thinking makes negotiation and compromise impossible. You can’t accept any deal short of complete capitulation on THEIR side without seeing it as complete capitulation on OUR side.

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The Vicious Babushka  Aug 11, 2015 • 12:20:48pm

TEH TRUMP WILL NOT BE UPSTAGED!!!!

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HappyWarrior  Aug 11, 2015 • 12:21:03pm

Only in America can the Canadian born son of a former Castro admirer turned fundamentalist nutjob invent himself as a right wing born again Christian who hates immigrants and admires Jesse Helms.

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Dr. Matt  Aug 11, 2015 • 12:21:25pm

re: #38 The Vicious Babushka

My staff toured @TXMedCenter in Houston. Extraordinary complex that leads the world in healthcare in so many ways. pic.twitter.com
— Senator Ted Cruz (@SenTedCruz) August 11, 2015

I worked in the TMC for a decade and today, thanks to Prez Obama, many labs there are using embryonic stem cell lines for research. Hopefully someone pointed this out to him. Knowing the culture of the TMC, nearly everyone he met likely were disgusted by his presence.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 11, 2015 • 12:21:56pm

These people think the only way to deal with other countries is threats and more threats. Don’t know which one of these guys that Bolton is advising but his influence is over every single one of them running.

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jaunte  Aug 11, 2015 • 12:21:57pm

Cobden Illinois Chief of Police Bob Hale: prepper, paranoiac.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 11, 2015 • 12:22:53pm

re: #50 jaunte

Cobden Illinois Chief of Police Bob Hale: prepper, paranoiac.

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Doesn’t help when you have assholes like this enabling the crazies.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Aug 11, 2015 • 12:23:23pm

re: #50 jaunte

Cobden Illinois Chief of Police Bob Hale: prepper, paranoiac.

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Dafuq?

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Shiplord Kirel  Aug 11, 2015 • 12:24:14pm
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jaunte  Aug 11, 2015 • 12:25:23pm

re: #51 HappyWarrior

This is the sort of wild talk that should disqualify a person from a law enforcement role.

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blueraven  Aug 11, 2015 • 12:25:58pm

re: #16 SteveMcGaziBolaGate

I wonder if the idiots who want to tear up the Iran deal realize that if they did, the US would never be able to negotiate with anybody ever again.

Ibsen will replace current UANI President, Dr. Gary Samore, who has served in that role since September 2013. Dr. Samore will remain on UANI’s Advisory Board.

“We thank Gary for his commitment, service, and leadership, both during his tenure at UANI and as President Obama’s Coordinator for Arms Control and Weapons of Mass Destruction,” Wallace said. “Gary has been one of the premier experts skeptical of Iran’s willingness to forgo a nuclear weapons capability, and his analysis has advanced the discourse on the challenge of preventing a nuclear-armed Iran. While concerned with many provisions of the Iran deal, Gary ultimately supports the agreement and is stepping down to avoid any conflict with UANI’s work in opposition to the agreement. We are fortunate that he remains our close friend and Advisory Board member.

Dr. Samore said the following: “I am proud to have been a part of UANI from its inception and the essential work UANI has done on the Iran nuclear issue, particularly in the area of sanctions and economic pressure. In these partisan times, UANI has been a bipartisan and thoughtful voice on these issues. If the nuclear agreement goes forward—as I believe it should—UANI will continue to play a critical role monitoring implementation and helping to maintain non-nuclear sanctions until Iran changes its behavior in these other areas.”

BTW, the press release was issued to announce Joe Lieberman as incoming chairman of United Against Nuclear Iran (UANI)

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HappyWarrior  Aug 11, 2015 • 12:26:11pm

re: #53 Shiplord Kirel

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What a prophet L. Frank Baum was. By the way does anyone know if the Populist allegory has conclusively been proven or is it just speculation by social historians? Don’t know enough about Baum or where he stood ideologically if anywhere to know if he intended the Wizard of Oz to be based off that. I do know that in the book, Dororthy’s slippers are silver and not ruby.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 11, 2015 • 12:26:21pm

re: #54 jaunte

This is the sort of wild talk that should disqualify a person from a law enforcement role.

Absolutely.

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jaunte  Aug 11, 2015 • 12:26:41pm

“You nver know what could happen, so if the Feds start bombing southern Illinois, I’ll be glad to die inside this Federally-funded Humvee.”

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Blind Frog Belly White  Aug 11, 2015 • 12:27:15pm

re: #54 jaunte

This is the sort of wild talk that should disqualify a person from a law enforcement role.

…rather than being a successful campaign slogan.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 11, 2015 • 12:27:40pm

re: #55 blueraven

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BTW, the press release was issued to announce Joe Lieberman as incoming chairman of United Against Nuclear Iran (UANI)

Joe sure does know how to appreciate Obama helping to campaign for his not only renomination but re-election too and also supporting him being kept in the caucus after Lieberman supported McCain and did a lot of Obama bashing. I defended Lieberman a lot since he had a solid domestic record for the most part even though he pushed for the censorship of my favorite video games but he’s a disloyal dick.

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Aunty Entity Dragon  Aug 11, 2015 • 12:27:44pm

re: #54 jaunte

This is the sort of wild talk that should disqualify a person from a law enforcement role.

You should read the crap on officer.com. Policeone was even worse, but they banned the public form reading their forums after they realized they had an image problem that defense lawyers could possibly exploit if a commenter could be identified IRL.

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blueraven  Aug 11, 2015 • 12:28:59pm

re: #60 HappyWarrior

Joe sure does know how to appreciate Obama helping to campaign for his not only renomination but re-election too and also supporting him being kept in the caucus. I defended Lieberman a lot since he had a solid domestic record for the most part even though he pushed for the censorship of my favorite video games but he’s a disloyal dick.

He was, is, and will always be, a neocon.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 11, 2015 • 12:29:07pm

re: #61 Aunty Entity Dragon

You should read the crap on officer.com. Policeone was even worse, but they banned the public form reading their forums after they realized they had an image problem that defense lawyers could possibly exploit if a commenter could be identified IRL.

You are such a braver soul than I am AED for dredging through those hate filled swamps.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 11, 2015 • 12:29:51pm

re: #62 blueraven

He was, is, and will always be, a neocon.

For sure. Gore should have never nominated him to be VP. I like to think if Gore hadn’t done that, he would have beat Bush.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Aug 11, 2015 • 12:30:12pm

re: #61 Aunty Entity Dragon

You should read the crap on officer.com. Policeone was even worse, but they banned the public form reading their forums after they realized they had an image problem that defense lawyers could possibly exploit if a commenter could be identified IRL.

If public servants feel the need to ban the public they’re supposed to protect and serve from reading their comments about that public, it seems to me they have completely missed the whole ‘SERVANT’ part of Public Servant.

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Snarknado!  Aug 11, 2015 • 12:31:26pm

re: #56 HappyWarrior

What a prophet L. Frank Baum was. By the way does anyone know if the Populist allegory has conclusively been proven or is it just speculation by social historians? Don’t know enough about Baum or where he stood ideologically if anywhere to know if he intended the Wizard of Oz to be based off that. I do know that in the book, Dororthy’s slippers are silver and not ruby.

Allegory is impossible to disprove, but really not likely.

They tried silver slippers for the movie, but it didn’t work on film.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 11, 2015 • 12:32:37pm

re: #65 Blind Frog Belly White

If public servants feel the need to ban the public they’re supposed to protect and serve from reading their comments about that public, it seems to me they have completely missed the whole ‘SERVANT’ part of Public Servant.

The contempt that so many officers seem to have for the public vibe I’ve gotten from AED’s many links in the past to PoliceOne just astounds me. I naively thought that a lot of people wanted to be cops to help people and a lot of these people just seem to hate most of the people they’re supposed to be protecting and want violence on them. I tell you what. It’s made watching Law and Order reruns a little different. Now I of course still root for the bad guy to be caught but I’m more sympathetic to defendants than I was before.

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Dr. Matt  Aug 11, 2015 • 12:32:51pm

Marissa Janae Johnson doesn’t ‘give a f*ck’ if protest at Seattle Bernie Sanders rally drives people away

Well, what would you say to the people who say that you’re hurting your cause?” {reporter} White asked.

“I don’t give a fuck about the white gaze,” Johnson replied. “I don’t. I literally don’t.”

When asked about her admission that she once supported former Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin (R), Johnson explained that her parents, an interracial couple, are Tea Party supporters and that she was a supporter of the former vice presidential candidate when she was a high schooler in 2008.

“Clearly that’s not where I am, because people leave high school and go to college and [change their views],” she explained, adding that she was a “devout evangelical Christian.”

She’s a fucking teabagger….enough said. Bernie better beef up his security.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 11, 2015 • 12:33:12pm

re: #66 Snarknado!

Allegory is impossible to disprove, but really not likely.

They tried silver slippers for the movie, but it didn’t work on film.

Gotcha. Probably the original fan theory in that case then. Didn’t know that about the slippers.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 11, 2015 • 12:34:14pm

re: #68 Dr. Matt

Marissa Janae Johnson doesn’t ‘give a f*ck’ if protest at Seattle Bernie Sanders rally drives people away

She’s a fucking teabagger….enough said. Bernie better beef up his security.

I did hear about this.

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Jayleia  Aug 11, 2015 • 12:34:23pm

re: #61 Aunty Entity Dragon

Most cops aren’t that bad…but holy fuckballs, those are some crazy ass motherfuckers.

Every single one of them sees us as the enemy to be dominated (not liberals or thugs, but the PUBLIC THEY WORK FOR). And their ideas about liberals or thugs are even worse.

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Dr. Matt  Aug 11, 2015 • 12:35:29pm

re: #70 HappyWarrior

I did hear about this.

I think this is new to everyone.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 11, 2015 • 12:35:58pm

re: #71 Jayleia

Most cops aren’t that bad…but holy fuckballs, those are some crazy ass motherfuckers.

Every single one of them sees us as the enemy to be dominated (not liberals or thugs, but the PUBLIC THEY WORK FOR). And their ideas about liberals or thugs are even worse.

Yeah I should add that the majority of cops are good people. trying their best but there are too many cops out there with that kind of mindset. Honestly and I know it’s tough since a lot of returning vets have a tough time finding work but I wouldn’t let a returning combat vet go right into a police department’s patrol beat and give him a weapon.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 11, 2015 • 12:36:26pm

re: #72 Dr. Matt

I think this is new to everyone.

I meant the part where she was a Palin supporter in 2008. I saw some posts on it on facebook form the Sanders supporters I know.

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gwangung  Aug 11, 2015 • 12:36:30pm

re: #68 Dr. Matt

Marissa Janae Johnson doesn’t ‘give a f*ck’ if protest at Seattle Bernie Sanders rally drives people away

She’s a fucking teabagger….enough said. Bernie better beef up his security.

In high school. Give her a break.

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Dr. Matt  Aug 11, 2015 • 12:38:06pm

re: #74 HappyWarrior

I meant the part where she was a Palin supporter in 2008. I saw some posts on it on facebook form the Sanders supporters I know.

Oops. I misread your post. I thought you wrote, “I didn’t hear about this”. Moar coffee, Stat.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 11, 2015 • 12:38:30pm

re: #75 gwangung

In high school. Give her a break.

Right. I am alot more center left now than I was in high school. I’ll cut Marissa some slack there. I saw a good post the other day by someone saying that the reason why Sanders has gotten so much focus from the BLM fplks is because he’s more likely to listen to them and be sympathetic to their message and to Bernie’s credit, he did release a statement with proposals that pleased many of them.

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makeitstop  Aug 11, 2015 • 12:38:31pm

re: #75 gwangung

In high school. Give her a break.

‘Devout Evangelical Christian.’

Sorry, no breaks to give. AFAIC, those people are the enemy.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 11, 2015 • 12:38:45pm

re: #76 Dr. Matt

Oops. I misread your post. I thought you wrote, “I didn’t hear about this”. Moar coffee, Stat.

All good man.

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CriticalDragon1177  Aug 11, 2015 • 12:38:52pm

Charles Johnson

None of us should be surprised by this. Ted Cruz doesn’t approve of being gay, and doesn’t see advocating theocracy as advocating theocracy, because the group that is doing so, is “Christian.”

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HappyWarrior  Aug 11, 2015 • 12:39:32pm

re: #78 makeitstop

‘Devout Evangelical Christian.’

Sorry, no breaks to give. AFAIC, those people are the enemy.

Well MLK was technically a devout evangelical Christian too. She could be a Christian socialist type. Don’t get me wrong. I understand the sentiment but I am hesitant to beat up on this young woman.

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gwangung  Aug 11, 2015 • 12:39:41pm

re: #78 makeitstop

‘Devout Evangelical Christian.’

Sorry, no breaks to give. AFAIC, those people are the enemy.

A lot of Evangelicals live on the progressive side of things. (Particularly in the black community)

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Dr. Matt  Aug 11, 2015 • 12:40:32pm

re: #75 gwangung

In high school. Give her a break.

I won’t. At all. Not for a split second. She’s screaming at Bernie Sanders’ supporters that they are “a bunch of white racists”. She thinks she deserves to take away Bernie Sanders’ stage. She doesn’t care if she’s driving away the very people who normally would support her. Her interview is disgusting. She’s an asshole.

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gwangung  Aug 11, 2015 • 12:41:30pm

re: #83 Dr. Matt

I won’t. At all. Not for a split second. She’s screaming at Bernie Sanders’ supporters that they are “a bunch of white racists”.

Far as I’m concerned, a good chunk of them proved her right.

I like Berne a lot more than I do some of his supporters.

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blueraven  Aug 11, 2015 • 12:42:13pm

re: #75 gwangung

In high school. Give her a break.

Her actions and her rhetoric kind of hint that she hasn’t changed all that much from high school.

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jaunte  Aug 11, 2015 • 12:42:56pm

re: #25 Eclectic Cyborg

Hey at least he’s being honest and admitting he would screw things up from the get go!

Day One, Back To Year One!

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Varek Raith  Aug 11, 2015 • 12:43:07pm

re: #84 gwangung

Far as I’m concerned, a good chunk of them proved her right.

I like Berne a lot more than I do some of his supporters.

Exactly.
All one has to do is look at the comments on Raw Story and C&L about anything Bernie.
Hell, they have this whole conspiracy about how this is an op by the Clinton campaign.
Bernie’s supporters will be the ones who bring him down.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 11, 2015 • 12:43:52pm

re: #80 CriticalDragon1177

Charles Johnson

None of us should be surprised by this. Ted Cruz doesn’t approve of being gay, and doesn’t see advocating theocracy as advocating theocracy, because the group that is doing so, is “Christian.”

And I think that’s what scares me the most about these types. They scare mongrel about Shariah Law even though Shariah Law is never going to happen in this country. Come on people, this country worships bacon and beer but yet guys like Cruz are okay with a Christian theocracy because it’s their religion. It’s kind of like how the more honest theocrats admit admiration for ISIL for trying to establish a state based off religion.

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Dr. Matt  Aug 11, 2015 • 12:43:54pm

re: #85 blueraven

Her actions and her rhetoric kind of hint that she hasn’t changed all that much from high school.

Marissa Janae Johnson is a perfect teabagger…she’s in a perpetual state of victimhood.

When is she going to interrupt one of the events of the 17 GOP candidates?

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makeitstop  Aug 11, 2015 • 12:44:42pm

re: #82 gwangung

AFAIC that’s bigotry. A lot of Evangelicals live on the progressive side of things. (Particularly in the black community)

The subject of this post is a ‘devout Evangelical Christian.’ I’m not inclined to give much slack here. Especially when her organization is going after Democrats and not Republicans.

If that makes me a bigot in your eyes, I’ll have to live with that.

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Joe Bacon  Aug 11, 2015 • 12:46:11pm

re: #56 HappyWarrior

What a prophet L. Frank Baum was. By the way does anyone know if the Populist allegory has conclusively been proven or is it just speculation by social historians? Don’t know enough about Baum or where he stood ideologically if anywhere to know if he intended the Wizard of Oz to be based off that. I do know that in the book, Dororthy’s slippers are silver and not ruby.

The latest scholarship seems to debunk the Populist allegory

halcyon.com

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CriticalDragon1177  Aug 11, 2015 • 12:46:22pm

On a lighter note, but still on the subject of politics, over up north in Canada…..

Here’s Wyatt Scott’s campaign ad, and it is hilarious!

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HappyWarrior  Aug 11, 2015 • 12:46:46pm

I understand what you guys are saying and I am not saying you’re necessarily wrong. I just disagree that she’s definitely still right wing. If she is, my apologies.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 11, 2015 • 12:46:59pm

re: #91 Joe Bacon

The latest scholarship seems to debunk the Populist allegory

halcyon.com

Thanks.

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Charles Johnson  Aug 11, 2015 • 12:47:30pm

Oath Keepers fan has an icon of John Wilkes Booth and background pic of a Confederate graveyard.

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Dr. Matt  Aug 11, 2015 • 12:47:33pm

re: #90 makeitstop

The subject of this post is a ‘devout Evangelical Christian.’ I’m not inclined to give much slack here. Especially when her organization is going after Democrats and not Republicans.

If that makes me a bigot in your eyes, I’ll have to live with that.

She’s an ill-mannered bully. Someone check her bumper for a Donald Trump campaign sticker. I’m not a Bernie Sander’s supporter, but she’s turning a good and important movement (BLM) about herself.

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goddamnedfrank  Aug 11, 2015 • 12:48:19pm
Animas River Mine Disaster

Do you have any idea how much goddamned cadmium it takes to turn an entire river yellow?

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KGxvi  Aug 11, 2015 • 12:48:51pm

re: #46 The Vicious Babushka

does anyone want to tell Trump about the Persian Empire and the aftermath o the Battle of Thermopylae?

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gwangung  Aug 11, 2015 • 12:49:06pm

re: #90 makeitstop

The subject of this post is a ‘devout Evangelical Christian.’ I’m not inclined to give much slack here. Especially when her organization is going after Democrats and not Republicans.

If that makes me a bigot in your eyes, I’ll have to live with that.

Given that civil rights in the black community is rooted in the church, much of which comes out of the evangelical tradition, I’m afraid you’ll have to live with your ignorance.

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Varek Raith  Aug 11, 2015 • 12:49:10pm

I’m going to say something that a lot of people aren’t going to like.

A lot of Bernie’s supporters need to check their privilege. Their constant overreactions to BLM protesting Bernie are quite telling.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 11, 2015 • 12:49:16pm

re: #97 goddamnedfrank

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Do you have any idea how much goddamned cadmium it takes to turn an entire river yellow?

Sweet Jesus Frank, where the hell is that? It would be cool if not for knowing that the river is definitely polluted.

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goddamnedfrank  Aug 11, 2015 • 12:50:39pm

re: #101 HappyWarrior

Sweet Jesus Frank, where the hell is that? It would be cool if not for knowing that the river is definitely polluted.

Colorado. EPA actually caused this. It’s fucking insane.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 11, 2015 • 12:50:42pm

re: #100 Varek Raith

I’m going to say something that a lot of people aren’t going to like.

A lot of Bernie’s supporters need to check their privilege. Their constant overreactions to BLM protesting Bernie are quite telling.

I agree and I’d call myself a Sanders supporter at this point. I made the note a few weeks ago that a lot of socialists historically have overlooked other issues like racial equality, gender equality, etc to focus on their economic mission which by the way is a worthy goal in itself.

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gwangung  Aug 11, 2015 • 12:51:02pm

re: #100 Varek Raith

I’m going to say something that a lot of people aren’t going to like.

A lot of Bernie’s supporters need to check their privilege. Their constant overreactions to BLM protesting Bernie are quite telling.

He and his campaign are taking it a lot more gracefully than some of his supporters.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 11, 2015 • 12:51:42pm

re: #102 goddamnedfrank

Colorado. EPA actually caused this. It’s fucking insane.

Holy shit. Yeah it is. We need to do a much better job protecting the environment. I really hope the environment comes up as an issue this election.

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Ian G.  Aug 11, 2015 • 12:51:45pm

re: #38 The Vicious Babushka

I wonder how many of the doctors Cruz praises here are creationists like he is?

I really wish creationists would walk the walk and not just talk the talk. Reject any advances in medicine that have come thanks to an understanding of evolution, and just ask a cleric to cast demons out of them if they get sick.

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makeitstop  Aug 11, 2015 • 12:53:36pm

re: #100 Varek Raith

I’m going to say something that a lot of people aren’t going to like.

A lot of Bernie’s supporters need to check their privilege. Their constant overreactions to BLM protesting Bernie are quite telling.

I’m not a Bernie supporter, but I’ll agree with that.

That said - why isn’t BLM going after anyone on the other side? Is Bernie that easy of a target?

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HappyWarrior  Aug 11, 2015 • 12:53:42pm

re: #106 Ian G.

I wonder how many of the doctors Cruz praises here are creationists like he is?

I really wish creationists would walk the walk and not just talk the talk. Reject any advances in medicine that have come thanks to an understanding of evolution, and just ask a cleric to cast demons out of them if they get sick.

They’re like that in other policies too. They complain about government but have no problem living with the benefits of modernity. The internet was a government project for example.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 11, 2015 • 12:54:43pm

re: #107 makeitstop

I’m not a Bernie supporter, but I’ll agree with that.

That said - why isn’t BLM going after anyone on the other side? Is Bernie that easy of a target?

From what I’ve seen them say, they feel that Bernie is someone more likely to listen to them. Cruz sure as hell wouldn’t listen. That’s what I’ve seen them argue. I think a lot of them do admire Bernie and from what I saw really appreciated his policy statement that he released.

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Great White Snark  Aug 11, 2015 • 12:54:44pm

Rescind every one of President Obama “illegal executive actions.”
Easy, there are none.
Order the Department of Justice to open an investigation into Planned Parenthood for possible criminal prosecution.
Easy, there was no violations. Right?

Direct every government agency to end “the persecution of religious liberty.”
Really? Persecution of Jews, Temples, Islam and Mosques included RIGHT?

“Rip to shreds” the Iran nuclear deal.
Right because we want Iran to keep those centrifuges running, not be inspected and become increasingly desperate for a working economy abd bordering a failed state or two.
///

Begin the process of moving the American embassy in Israel to Jerusalem.
Why? Better view? Is Israel clamoring for us to do that?

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Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Aug 11, 2015 • 12:55:24pm

I’m not a supporter of either Bernie or Hillary. While each have some positions I like I’m not taking sides yet. But from what I’ve seen and read the Bernie supporters are nearly fanatical to the point that DKos needs to add in a filter to be able to remove the Bernie! stories from the rec list just to see what else is going on. And his supporters (again based on what I’ve seen) are absolutely rabid about it (especially on dkos) and remind me of the Clinton supporters back in 08 right up to, and including, those who became so-called PUMAs.

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Dr. Matt  Aug 11, 2015 • 12:55:26pm

re: #93 HappyWarrior

I understand what you guys are saying and I am not saying you’re necessarily wrong. I just disagree that she’s definitely still right wing. If she is, my apologies.

She sounds exactly like the tcot losers.

After disrupting the Sanders’ event and taking the microphone, a hostile and obnoxious Johnson accused the audience of “white supremacist liberalism” before telling the Seattle crowd:

I was going to tell Bernie how racist this city is — with all of its progressives — but you’ve already done that for me. Thank you

From patheos.com

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Ian G.  Aug 11, 2015 • 12:55:30pm

re: #4 The Vicious Babushka

These people don’t give an actual shit about Israel except as the background for their Armageddon extermination fantasy.

Yup, hence the embassy to Jerusalem pointless gesture. Tel Aviv is a hellhole of secularism and gay pride parade. Jerusalem is where their demented Revelation fantasies will take place. Best to put us right in the middle of the last battle between Jesus and Satan.

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goddamnedfrank  Aug 11, 2015 • 12:55:40pm

re: #104 gwangung

He and his campaign are taking it a lot more gracefully than some of his supporters.

His campaign’s glacially slow reaction has been largely to blame for his supporters’ lack of grace. The vacuum of leadership and lack of constructive direction allowed the worst in people to flourish.

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makeitstop  Aug 11, 2015 • 12:55:47pm

re: #99 gwangung

Given that civil rights in the black community is rooted in the church, much of which comes out of the evangelical tradition, I’m afraid you’ll have to live with your ignorance.

Of course, crashing a political rally and telling all in attendance that they’re a bunch of white racists isn’t the least bit ignorant.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 11, 2015 • 12:55:48pm

re: #110 Great White Snark

Rescind every one of President Obama “illegal executive actions.”
Easy, there are none.
Order the Department of Justice to open an investigation into Planned Parenthood for possible criminal prosecution.
Easy, there was no violations. Right?

Direct every government agency to end “the persecution of religious liberty.”
Really? Persecution of Jews, Temples, Islam and Mosques included RIGHT?

“Rip to shreds” the Iran nuclear deal.
Right because we want Iran to keep those centrifuges running, not be inspected and become increasingly desperate for a working economy abd bordering a failed state or two.
///

Begin the process of moving the American embassy in Israel to Jerusalem.
Why? Better view? Is Israel clamoring for us to do that?

I wish someone would have the balls to say this to Cruz. But they won’t. They’ll just let him keep on lying.

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Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Aug 11, 2015 • 12:56:06pm

re: #107 makeitstop

I’m not a Bernie supporter, but I’ll agree with that.

That said - why isn’t BLM going after anyone on the other side? Is Bernie that easy of a target?

Bernie’s having a LOT of public events and fewer “screened” events than everyone else including Hillary.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 11, 2015 • 12:57:00pm

re: #112 Dr. Matt

She sounds exactly like the tcot losers.

Okay if she’s singling out the city’s progressives for racism then I do understand your point especially since Seattle to its credit has a great record on that.

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jaunte  Aug 11, 2015 • 12:58:53pm

re: #95 Charles Johnson

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Oath Keepers fan has an icon of John Wilkes Booth and background pic of a Confederate graveyard.

Born to Lose.

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CuriousLurker  Aug 11, 2015 • 1:00:21pm

re: #12 The Vicious Babushka

I wonder how many wingnuts know this==>

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I keep waiting to see someone ask one of the anti-choice idiots if they’re pro-Israel, and then when they answer yes, ask them how they reconcile that stance with Israel’s abortion laws. No one ever does it though.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 11, 2015 • 1:02:04pm

re: #120 CuriousLurker

I keep waiting to see someone ask one of the anti-choice iodiots if they’re pro-Israel, and then when they answer yes, ask them how they reconcile that stance with Israel’s abortion laws.

or on SSM or on health care. Or really on any domestic issue that they call President Obama a socialist for supporting.

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gwangung  Aug 11, 2015 • 1:02:37pm

re: #115 makeitstop

Of course, crashing a political rally and telling all in attendance that they’re a bunch of white racists isn’t the least bit ignorant.

Nope. It’s quite informed and follows a tradition of disruption and protest in the civil rights movement. What? Did white progressive think Dr. King couldn’t have possibly meant THEM with his comments?

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Dr. Matt  Aug 11, 2015 • 1:02:39pm

re: #115 makeitstop

Of course, crashing a political rally and telling all in attendance that they’re a bunch of white racists isn’t the least bit ignorant.

She called the entire city of Seattle racist because of its progressives.

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Chan Kobun  Aug 11, 2015 • 1:03:14pm
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Pawn of the Oppressor  Aug 11, 2015 • 1:03:28pm

re: #37 Charles Johnson

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Why is he so against BBC? Jealousy? Does it make him feel ashamed?

/it stands for something dirty

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HappyWarrior  Aug 11, 2015 • 1:03:43pm

re: #124 Chan Kobun

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Hahahha.

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blueraven  Aug 11, 2015 • 1:04:40pm

re: #100 Varek Raith

I’m going to say something that a lot of people aren’t going to like.

A lot of Bernie’s supporters need to check their privilege. Their constant overreactions to BLM protesting Bernie are quite telling.

My objection is not her protest of Bernie. It is her saying the crowd was like the KKK and calling people screaming white racist.

It wasn’t because she was a black woman that she was booed. It was because she was incredibly rude and incendiary. Dreamers have been disrupting Obama for years. And they were booed. Did they call the audience racist? Not that I am aware of.

Now, maybe that kind of behavior is the nature of protest. But if this is the way she plans to proceed she needs to get a thicker skin and quit whining about being booed at…n’est-ce pas?

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makeitstop  Aug 11, 2015 • 1:05:30pm

re: #122 gwangung

Nope. It’s quite informed and follows a tradition of disruption and protest in the civil rights movement. What? Did white progressive think Dr. King couldn’t have possibly meant THEM with his comments?

MLK built coalitions. BLM (at least the faction in question) is about polarization from what I’ve seen.

Nowhere near equivalent in my book.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 11, 2015 • 1:05:49pm

I am honestly not sure of this. Now that said, I am with Varek, I think many Bernie supporters (not singling anyone out here and I will note I consider myself a Sanders supporter) need to check their privilege. Protesters are going protest politicians friendly to them. MLK was critical of LBJ even though LBJ did more for civil rights than any president in history to that point.

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goddamnedfrank  Aug 11, 2015 • 1:06:55pm

Ali Vitali on MSNBC saying people like Trump’s “authenticity.”

Who the fuck are these idiots? How credulous does a person have to be to listen to Trump and think he isn’t just selling conservatives a cynical pile of bullshit carefully crafted to their racist, sexist and anti-government biases.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 11, 2015 • 1:07:01pm

re: #127 blueraven

My objection is not her protest of Bernie. It is her saying the crowd was like the KKK and calling people screaming white racist.

It wasn’t because she was a black woman that she was booed. It was because she was incredibly rude and incendiary. Dreamers have been disrupting Obama for years. And they were booed. Did they call the audience racist? Not that I am aware of.

Now, maybe that kind of behavior is the nature of protest. But if this is the way she plans to proceed she needs to get a thicker skin and quit whining about being booed at…n’est-ce pas?

This is a fair point as well. The Dreamers have never called Obama and Obama’s audience racists. They just understandably want action done. That said see my 129, I am still not sure of this.

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wrenchwench  Aug 11, 2015 • 1:07:33pm

re: #128 makeitstop

MLK built coalitions. BLM (at least the faction in question) is about polarization from what I’ve seen.

Nowhere near equivalent in my book.

Some people are working very hard to be sure that opinion doesn’t change, I think.

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gwangung  Aug 11, 2015 • 1:08:55pm

re: #128 makeitstop

MLK built coalitions. BLM (at least the faction in question) is about polarization from what I’ve seen.

Nowhere near equivalent in my book.

Aren’t you over romanticizing Dr. King a tad?

And given that black Americans (particularly black women) have been the most loyal Democratic voters, the lack of a plank concerning police brutality seems to point out the failure of coalition building with the powers that be—perhaps a little polarization is necessary….actually HAS been necessary to bring those concerns to the forefront.

After all, it is literally their lives at stake.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 11, 2015 • 1:09:13pm

re: #130 goddamnedfrank

Ali Vitali on MSNBC saying people like Trump’s “authenticity.”

Who the fuck are these idiots? How credulous does a person have to be to listen to Trump and think he isn’t just selling conservatives a cynical pile of bullshit carefully crafted to their racist, sexist and anti-government biases.

The same people who value “common sense” from their candidates. But yeah I’m with you, I wonder who the fuck are these idiots. I was talking with my Dad on our way back from the gym yesterday and he said “Man I am glad I don’t know any Trump supporters.” I told him that chances are he probably does. We live in a county that’s gone for Obama twice but Western Loudoun County is quite conservative. We have a TPer delegate and a state senator that denied spousal rape could happen. I am just relieved that my family members see this guy and also the other Republicans running for what they are. I’m a lucky man in that regard to come from a progressively minded family.

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D_Red  Aug 11, 2015 • 1:09:59pm

The economy is really going to take off once the embassy gets moved to Jerusalem

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KerFuFFler  Aug 11, 2015 • 1:10:54pm

re: #97 goddamnedfrank

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Do you have any idea how much goddamned cadmium it takes to turn an entire river yellow?

Looks like they could make lots of tubes of paint out of that sludge! (Cadmium yellow paint, that is.)

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HappyWarrior  Aug 11, 2015 • 1:11:09pm

A lot of people thought MLK was a polarizing figure at the time. We love MLK now don’t get me wrong but it was a long and hard fight to get the MLK holiday. Reagan was ready to veto it and Republicans as recent as the 2008 nominee were against it. My state had Lee-Jackson-King day for much of my childhood. Even RFK a man I admire was okay with wiretapping MLK. I understand what both arguments here are saying and I respect both of you but it’s complicated.

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#FergusonFireside  Aug 11, 2015 • 1:11:52pm

re: #111 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance

I’m not a supporter of either Bernie or Hillary. While each have some positions I like I’m not taking sides yet. But from what I’ve seen and read the Bernie supporters are nearly fanatical to the point that DKos needs to add in a filter to be able to remove the Bernie! stories from the rec list just to see what else is going on. And his supporters (again based on what I’ve seen) are absolutely rabid about it (especially on dkos) and remind me of the Clinton supporters back in 08 right up to, and including, those who became so-called PUMAs.

I was at the Bernie rally in Portland. Yes, his supporters are a bit fanatical. The BLM contingent was outside & they were awesome. Still, I like Bernie, he was great.

But saying….the crowd inside was 98% white.

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No Country For Old Haters  Aug 11, 2015 • 1:12:10pm

re: #37 Charles Johnson

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CuriousLurker  Aug 11, 2015 • 1:12:29pm

re: #42 The Vicious Babushka

Remember this photo op of Ted Cruz kneeling on a little foam pad, praying for poor people with pre-existing conditions to not have health insurance?

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What a sissy. He’s got nothing on the Mexicans who climb all the way up to the Basilica of Our Lady of Guadalupe on their bare knees. I actually saw that stuff in person on a trip to Mexico City when I was 17.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 11, 2015 • 1:14:26pm

re: #138 #FergusonFireside

I was at the Bernie rally in Portland. Yes, his supporters are a bit fanatical. The BLM contingent was outside & they were awesome. Still, I like Bernie, he was great.

But saying….the crowd inside was 98% white.

Appreciate your insights as someone who were there. I think Bernie needs to build up his coalition more. I know his strong supporters think that just pointing to his record will do the trick but that’s not going to sell everyone that he should be the next president. That said, I have tons of respect for Senator Sanders and I am glad to see him making an impact. Quite funny how the right has gone from scoffing that Hillary’s been coronated to now openly hoping that Bernie will go third party with his supporters.

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gwangung  Aug 11, 2015 • 1:14:56pm

“Bernie Sanders’s campaign has, for the most part, been responsive to protesters and critics. Many of Bernie Sanders’s supporters — especially on social media — have not.

“Sanders supporters see it as obvious that their candidate’s platform would be better for people of color than any other candidate’s, and they don’t understand what else supporters would want. But for the activists challenging Bernie Sanders and his supporters, it’s not enough for progressives or Democrats to call for policies that they think would help people of color — they need to be listening to and incorporating the agendas of people of color themselves.”

vox.com

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Black d20  Aug 11, 2015 • 1:15:50pm

What I will say about the disruption is that it actually made Bernie move! That, or at least he got the racial issues page up just in time to capitalize. Either way, it helped shut me up about one of my issues with his campaign.

As for the disrupter herself, I’m pretty sure much of the Deray/Netta level of the BLM movement will point out that she’s fringe… for what good it’ll do regarding those looking for any reason to take a steamer on the whole idea, and there are many.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 11, 2015 • 1:16:01pm

re: #140 CuriousLurker

What a sissy. He’s got nothing on the Mexicans who climb all the way up to the Basilica of Our Lady of Guadalupe on their bare knees. I actually saw that stuff in person on a trip to Mexico City when I was 17.

They also weren’t doing a political stunt. Those people and I am not a religious man had genuine faith. Cruz is nothing but a political charlatan who uses religion as a political tool. In that way, he’s as cynical as Romney was talking about “self-deportation” and the various other pandering that GOP candidates do.

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aagcobb  Aug 11, 2015 • 1:16:27pm

re: #92 CriticalDragon1177

On a lighter note, but still on the subject of politics, over up north in Canada…..

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Video

I’d vote for him.

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goddamnedfrank  Aug 11, 2015 • 1:17:04pm

Apparently most of the yellow in the Animas river is actually from what’s called “Yellow Boy,” which is not cadmium but a product of a “natural” process called Acid Mine Drainage. It’s not really natural in this case, because the mine opens a wound in the earth that grotesquely exacerbates the process, leading to the kinds of toxic waste we see here.

There is cadmium, lead and other nasties in the plume, but not as much as I first feared. It’s not clear to me if the more toxic metals come from the gold recovery process or if they’re leached from the earth via the acid drainage aftermath.

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Black d20  Aug 11, 2015 • 1:17:55pm

re: #142 gwangung

Yeah, the often unintended implication of ‘we know what’s best for you, sit back and trust us’ makes a good number of people’s teeth grind.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 11, 2015 • 1:18:30pm

re: #142 gwangung

“Bernie Sanders’s campaign has, for the most part, been responsive to protesters and critics. Many of Bernie Sanders’s supporters — especially on social media — have not.

“Sanders supporters see it as obvious that their candidate’s platform would be better for people of color than any other candidate’s, and they don’t understand what else supporters would want. But for the activists challenging Bernie Sanders and his supporters, it’s not enough for progressives or Democrats to call for policies that they think would help people of color — they need to be listening to and incorporating the agendas of people of color themselves.”

vox.com

Yeah it really does help to listen to people. I think that’s why RFK became so popular in the African-American community by the way. Gene McCarthy would point out that he had an equal and maybe even stronger record on Civil Rights but RFK would listen to people in those communities. I suspect that is how Bill Clinton built up so much good will with the African-American community as well. Sanders’ voting record is great but there’s lots of things that make people presidential.

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gwangung  Aug 11, 2015 • 1:19:19pm

re: #147 Black d20

Yeah, the often unintended implication of ‘we know what’s best for you, sit back and trust us’ makes a good number of people’s teeth grind.

Yeah….drove me up the wall when I was younger. Well meaning, but would. not. shut. up. and. listen. Even for a bit.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 11, 2015 • 1:19:44pm

re: #147 Black d20

Yeah, the often unintended implication of ‘we know what’s best for you, sit back and trust us’ makes a good number of people’s teeth grind.

Which sadly proves some of what the right says right about the left correct. Of course, the right does the same thing when they claim that African-Americans vote Democratic because they want “free stuff” or they’re too ignorant not to know that the GOP championed the abolition of slavery 150 years ago.

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KerFuFFler  Aug 11, 2015 • 1:20:01pm

re: #111 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance

I’m not a supporter of either Bernie or Hillary. While each have some positions I like I’m not taking sides yet. But from what I’ve seen and read the Bernie supporters are nearly fanatical to the point that DKos needs to add in a filter to be able to remove the Bernie! stories from the rec list just to see what else is going on. And his supporters (again based on what I’ve seen) are absolutely rabid about it (especially on dkos) and remind me of the Clinton supporters back in 08 right up to, and including, those who became so-called PUMAs.

They also remind me of the rabid Naderite fans. While it is perfectly fine to prefer Nader to Gore, when it is actually election time if your preferred candidate is nowhere near winning in the polls it makes sense to vote for the more electable candidate that is somewhat reflective of your views (Gore as opposed to Bush). I might prefer Bernie, but I will vote for Hillary if she is polling well for the general election.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 11, 2015 • 1:20:48pm

re: #149 gwangung

Yeah….drove me up the wall when I was younger. Well meaning, but would. not. shut. up. and. listen. Even for a bit.

It is and I say this as a white liberal one of our biggest problems as a group. Listen to people, don’t just tell them “Vote Bernie because his record is what you want.”

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Romantic Heretic  Aug 11, 2015 • 1:21:19pm

re: #26 Aunty Entity Dragon

Okay, that was creepy.

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No Country For Old Haters  Aug 11, 2015 • 1:22:54pm

re: #130 goddamnedfrank

Ali Vitali on MSNBC saying people like Trump’s “authenticity.”

Who the fuck are these idiots? How credulous does a person have to be to listen to Trump and think he isn’t just selling conservatives a cynical pile of bullshit carefully crafted to their racist, sexist and anti-government biases.

That’s what conservatives call “authenticity.” They want to be fed their own bullshit, and will get mad at anyone who tells them the truth.

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wrenchwench  Aug 11, 2015 • 1:24:17pm

re: #146 goddamnedfrank

Apparently most of the yellow in the Animas river is actually from what’s called “Yellow Boy,” which is not cadmium but a product of a “natural” process called Acid Mine Drainage. It’s not really natural in this case, because the mine opens a wound in the earth that grotesquely exacerbates the process, leading to the kinds of toxic waste we see here.

There is cadmium, lead and other nasties in the plume, but not as much as I first feared. It’s not clear to me if the more toxic metals come from the gold recovery process or if they’re leached from the earth via the acid drainage aftermath.

Near here is a Superfund site that I rode my bike through before and after the cleanup. If it’s nasty enough to be a Superfund site, why was (is) it wide open?

It pisses me off that the EPA is taking the heat for this spill. The mine left the mess, let them take the blame. Include the clean-up in the price of the mined metal. If there were enough water for rivers to flow near here, some of them would be yellow and orange.

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Black d20  Aug 11, 2015 • 1:25:09pm

re: #150 HappyWarrior

The cries of “Nanny state!” do have some basis in truth, yeah.

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Black d20  Aug 11, 2015 • 1:26:05pm

… and I just imagined Obama as Mrs. Doubtfire.

I need to go home.

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Dr. Matt  Aug 11, 2015 • 1:26:56pm

re: #128 makeitstop

MLK built coalitions. BLM (at least the faction in question) is about polarization from what I’ve seen.

Nowhere near equivalent in my book.

MLK never went around calling white progressive racists and white supremacists. She’s acting no different from the Code Pink bozos.

She’s a self-admitted radical Christian, calls liberals and an entire city racists because they are white and liberal, her parents are teabaggers, she supported Palin, and she has yet to make an ass of herself at a GOP event. If it talks like a teabagger, walks like a teabagger, and acts like a teabagger….well, it must be a teabagger. Classic Christian Narcissist and Christian Privilege.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 11, 2015 • 1:27:12pm

re: #156 Black d20

The cries of “Nanny state!” do have some basis in truth, yeah.

Yeah some of them too. I just hate hearing the complaints from the same conservatives who have pushed stiff anti-drug laws and censorship on media for years.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 11, 2015 • 1:27:46pm

re: #157 Black d20

… and I just imagined Obama as Mrs. Doubtfire.

I need to go home.

Hahaha haven’t seen that movie in years.

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The Vicious Babushka  Aug 11, 2015 • 1:31:32pm

re: #97 goddamnedfrank

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Do you have any idea how much goddamned cadmium it takes to turn an entire river yellow?

Wingnuts are blaming this entire disaster on the EPA, who fucked up, but they did not CREATE the toxic sludge in the first place.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Aug 11, 2015 • 1:32:24pm

I saw someone’s comment on FB, to a post about Sanders’s issuing a racial justice platform, something like, “Two protestors shut down a rally, and he panders to them. How’s he going to stand up to Putin?”

I thought that had to be the dumbest damned thing I’d seen all week. And I watched “Idiocracy” again, last Friday night.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 11, 2015 • 1:32:33pm

re: #161 The Vicious Babushka

Wingnuts are blaming this entire disaster on the EPA, who fucked up, but they did not CREATE the toxic sludge in the first place.

Yep. They’re the ones opposed to any environmental regulations on businesses. The EPA did fuck for sure but blaming the EPA for teh whole disaster is fucked up.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 11, 2015 • 1:35:08pm

re: #162 Blind Frog Belly White

I saw someone’s comment on FB, to a post about Sanders’s issuing a racial justice platform, something like, “Two protestors shut down a rally, and he panders to them. How’s he going to stand up to Putin?”

I thought that had to be the dumbest damned thing I’d seen all week. And I watched “Idiocracy” again, last Friday night.

That is stupid. I was glad to see that he in fact did that and I think that was probably the goal of the protesters in the first place. Besides GOP candidates appease their crazies in much worse fashion by going along with bullshit about how the President hates America and wants it destroyed.

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Black d20  Aug 11, 2015 • 1:36:48pm

re: #162 Blind Frog Belly White

“Those Others will take what Bernie gives them, and they’ll like it!”

Mrgrgr.

(Also, the platform for those who haven’t seen it: berniesanders.com )

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aagcobb  Aug 11, 2015 • 1:39:59pm

Krugman guesses that Trump’s primary appeal is to Tea Party racists. Well duh.

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b_sharp  Aug 11, 2015 • 1:43:52pm

I know what best for everybody. I really do. I studied long and hard, spending much time with the world’s wisest sages until I finally learned all.

For just $19.95 per month I can teach you the ways of true peace & tranquility.

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Iwouldprefernotto  Aug 11, 2015 • 1:44:02pm

Carly’s in the LA Times

she had failed to cast a ballot in 75% of the California elections for which she was an eligible voter.

She was CEO of Hewlett-Packard from mid-1999 to early 2005, a period in which the company’s stock sank 49% to 60% (depending on how you count), making it one of the worst-performing high-tech firms.

The Affordable Care Act, which she opposed in its cradle and now says should be repealed, bars discrimination against applicants based on their medical conditions. What’s her answer to that? We don’t know, because she wasn’t asked at the debate. She has, however, advocated defunding Planned Parenthood, which provides reproductive health services to middle- and low-income women unlike her.

This former Californian has no love for her.

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EPR-radar  Aug 11, 2015 • 1:44:29pm

re: #166 aagcobb

Krugman guesses that Trump’s primary appeal is to Tea Party racists. Well duh.

Trumpism got off the ground when Trumpzilla did his rant about the Mexican rapists.

Of course it’s all about the Tea Party racism.

Case closed.

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Bubblehead II  Aug 11, 2015 • 1:44:36pm

re: #107 makeitstop

I’m not a Bernie supporter, but I’ll agree with that.

That said - why isn’t BLM going after anyone on the other side? Is Bernie that easy of a target?

Looks like they were trying to get into a HRC event and were kept out.

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Lidane  Aug 11, 2015 • 1:46:15pm

Someone is desperate for a VP slot:

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Black d20  Aug 11, 2015 • 1:46:30pm

re: #167 b_sharp

I am suddenly reminded of Sovereign Citizen ‘gurus’. The job leads to sovvie stuff passing by sometimes and it just boggles me how detached from legal/governing reality people who buy into it are.

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EPR-radar  Aug 11, 2015 • 1:47:27pm

re: #168 Iwouldprefernotto

Carly’s in the LA Times

This former Californian has no love for her.

Fiorina is rich, arrogant, and believes in conservative BS because she’s done nothing but fail up her entire career. She is totally useless.

That said, she isn’t as actively offensive as most of the rest of the clowns running for the GOP nomination, except in the quasi-Quisling status she has as a woman working to make women second class citizens.

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The Vicious Babushka  Aug 11, 2015 • 1:47:58pm

Uh Dana, Vermont is like one of TEH MOAST LIBRUL states in the Union! Not because of MOAR GUNZ.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Aug 11, 2015 • 1:48:02pm

re: #166 aagcobb

Krugman guesses that Trump’s primary appeal is to Tea Party racists. Well duh.

Yeah, but more to the point is his analysis of who the Tea Party are - they’re NOT white working class people who are economically disadvantaged. They’re the Fox News audience - middle and upper middle class white folks, more educated than the average, more affluent than average, and more racist than average. They’ve had their share of the pie and want to make sure it doesn’t get divided any differently, particularly not so much of it going to Those People.

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aagcobb  Aug 11, 2015 • 1:48:30pm

re: #171 Lidane

Someone is desperate for a VP slot:

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Problem is Trump is a birther, and doesn’t think Canada Ted is eligible.

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The Vicious Babushka  Aug 11, 2015 • 1:48:34pm

re: #173 EPR-radar

Fiorina is rich, arrogant, and believes in conservative BS because she’s done nothing but fail up her entire career. She is totally useless.

That said, she isn’t as actively offensive as most of the rest of the clowns running for the GOP nomination, except in the quasi-Quisling status she has as a woman working to make women second class citizens.

She totally is.

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EPR-radar  Aug 11, 2015 • 1:49:53pm

re: #175 Blind Frog Belly White

Yeah, but more to the point is his analysis of who the Tea Party are - they’re NOT white working class people who are economically disadvantaged. They’re the Fox News audience - middle and upper middle class white folks, more educated than the average, more affluent than average, and more racist than average. They’ve had their share of the pie and want to make sure it doesn’t get divided any differently, particularly not so much of it going to Those People.

In other words, there is no “Tea Party”. They are just vocal Republicans.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 11, 2015 • 1:50:42pm

re: #174 The Vicious Babushka

Uh Dana, Vermont is like one of TEH MOAST LIBRUL states in the Union! Not because of MOAR GUNZ.

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Yeah Vermont’s low crime rate has nothing to do with its gun laws. The deep South has some of those same laws and shocker a lot of gun crime problems.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 11, 2015 • 1:50:57pm

re: #171 Lidane

Someone is desperate for a VP slot:

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Teddy’s desperate.

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Iwouldprefernotto  Aug 11, 2015 • 1:51:16pm

re: #177 The Vicious Babushka

She totally is.

Case in point. She’s a cancer survivor, but is against the ACA. Prior to it’s passage cancer survivors were denied coverage. She’s rich so it doesn’t matter to her, but it does to the rest of us. She may get the VP nomination. I hope she is asked this question.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 11, 2015 • 1:52:05pm

re: #181 Iwouldprefernotto

Case in point. She’s a cancer survivor, but is against the ACA. Prior to it’s passage cancer survivors were denied coverage. She’s rich so it doesn’t matter to her, but it does to the rest of us. She may get the VP nomination. I hope she is asked this question.

You know she won’t be asked it though she should be. And if she were, she’d totally complain about it being a “gotcha” question. It’s a legitimate question really.

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Higgs Boson's Mate  Aug 11, 2015 • 1:52:19pm

re: #171 Lidane

Someone is desperate for a VP slot:

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He can be Cheney to Trump’s Trump.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Aug 11, 2015 • 1:53:10pm

re: #178 EPR-radar

In other words, there is no “Tea Party”. They are just vocal Republicans.

Absolutely. When the original Tea Party thing started rising, they could almost truthfully claim that it wasn’t partisan, that it was comprised of folks from all parts of the spectrum who were angry at government and the system.

But then it crystallized into just the racist, nativist, theocratic wing of the GOP, the ones that the Southern Strategy was meant to capture.

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blueraven  Aug 11, 2015 • 1:53:13pm

re: #174 The Vicious Babushka

Uh Dana, Vermont is like one of TEH MOAST LIBRUL states in the Union! Not because of MOAR GUNZ.

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Vermont is also mostly rural. Doh!

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HappyWarrior  Aug 11, 2015 • 1:54:22pm

re: #185 blueraven

Vermont is also mostly rural. Doh!

Yes. And rural means a less dense population. Lesser density in population, less crime. Dana just finds one data point and ignores other factors.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Aug 11, 2015 • 1:54:33pm

re: #174 The Vicious Babushka

Uh Dana, Vermont is like one of TEH MOAST LIBRUL states in the Union! Not because of MOAR GUNZ.

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They elected Bernie Sanders, ferchrissakes.

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aagcobb  Aug 11, 2015 • 1:55:22pm

re: #182 HappyWarrior

You know she won’t be asked it though she should be. And if she were, she’d totally complain about it being a “gotcha” question. It’s a legitimate question really.

Its absolutely a legitimate question. If you repeal Obamacare, which all of the GOP candidates say they would do, what happens to the people with pre-existing conditions whose policies will get canceled? And they can’t let her off the hook with some BS about “high risk” pools. High risk pools are exorbitantly expensive for obvious reasons; how will that be paid for?

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Blind Frog Belly White  Aug 11, 2015 • 1:55:44pm

re: #186 HappyWarrior

Yes. And rural means a less dense population. Lesser density in population, less crime. Dana just finds one data point and ignores other factors.

I dunno. I grew up in a rural area, and most of the thinly scattered population seemed to be pretty dense.

///////padumpum *chish*

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HappyWarrior  Aug 11, 2015 • 1:56:30pm

if Sanders got the nomination, I still would expect the gun lobby to trash him so I don’t want to hear that his nomination would totally negate the NRA/GOA factor in an election. These guys are nothing but right wing shlils. Example point, when Creigh Deeds, a Virginia Democrat with a strong gun record got nominated for governor, the NRA came out against him and for his opponent with a lot of money. Didn’t matter that the two had identical records on guns.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 11, 2015 • 1:56:53pm

re: #188 aagcobb

Its absolutely a legitimate question. If you repeal Obamacare, which all of the GOP candidates say they would do, what happens to the people with pre-existing conditions whose policies will get canceled? And they can’t let her off the hook with some BS about “high risk” pools. High risk pools are exorbitantly expensive for obvious reasons; how will that be paid for?

If they ever let me in an audience, it’s what I would ask. I have a heart condition.

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ObserverArt  Aug 11, 2015 • 1:56:58pm

I have a couple questions.

Are all Bernie followers really liberals/progressives? Or because of Bernie calling himself an independent socialist does that make his rallies attractive to all sorts of political types? And since he is a bit of a phenomena politically, couldn’t he be drawing even some conservatives and libertarians just to check him out?

I think it a minor mistake for anyone to categorize all people at Bernie events “progressives” at this point in time.

When the TeaParty was originally created, it was meant to be for ALL political types. It only became conservative when the GOP decided to astro turf them into their party that everyone thought of them as conservatives nut jobs. I think some of the original tea party members got out once it became too RWNJ.

The young lady with BLM being discussed could see herself and her family as original tea party types and may not be strictly conservative.

Politics in this country is so screwed up and people call themselves all kinds of things. It’s pretty easy to get confused in it all, and I would think more so with the younger people that get a lot of their politics off the internet.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 11, 2015 • 1:57:08pm

re: #189 Blind Frog Belly White

I dunno. I grew up in a rural area, and most of the thinly scattered population seemed to be pretty dense.

///////padumpum *chish*

Oh no he didn’t!

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Lidane  Aug 11, 2015 • 1:57:52pm

Same nutcase who thinks that Obama will nuke Texas during Jade Helm 16:

*facepalm*

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HappyWarrior  Aug 11, 2015 • 1:59:28pm

re: #194 Lidane

Same nutcase who thinks that Obama will nuke Texas during Jade Helm 16:

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*facepalm*

This is further proof of how much fundie zealots like Wiles hate our country and think it will be destroyed. Go fuck yourself Rick. Really, if you think our country will be destroyed over two people who love each other being able to marry in all 50 states than you forfeit your right to call yourself a loyal and proud American in my book fuckface.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 11, 2015 • 2:00:03pm

American Exceptionalism*
* except when America does something I don’t like such as allowing gays to marry or workers to have better wages.

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makeitstop  Aug 11, 2015 • 2:00:57pm

re: #194 Lidane

Same nutcase who thinks that Obama will nuke Texas during Jade Helm 16:

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*facepalm*

Wingnut Mad-Libs:

(Wingnut): _____ will destroy America thanks to the Supreme Court’s ruling on _____

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Decatur Deb  Aug 11, 2015 • 2:02:03pm

re: #195 HappyWarrior

This is further proof of how much fundie zealots like Wiles hate our country and think it will be destroyed. Go fuck yourself Rick. Really, if you think our country will be destroyed over two people who love each other being able to marry in all 50 states than you forfeit your right to call yourself a loyal and proud American in my book fuckface.

Your statement is unacceptable. The period is best placed after “book”. “Fuckface” is a separate statement, perhaps more effective on a new line.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 11, 2015 • 2:02:27pm

re: #197 makeitstop

Wingnut Mad-Libs:

(Wingnut): _____ will destroy America thanks to the Supreme Court’s ruling on _____

The Soviet Union on segregation. What do I win?

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HappyWarrior  Aug 11, 2015 • 2:03:00pm

re: #198 Decatur Deb

Your statement is unacceptable. The period is best placed after “book”. “Fuckface” is a separate statement, perhaps more effective on a new line.

Ha.

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wrenchwench  Aug 11, 2015 • 2:03:21pm

re: #192 ObserverArt

When the TeaParty was originally created, it was meant to be for ALL political types.

I think the nutjobs who started it said they were for everyone, but they never meant EVERYONE.

I think you’re right that if someone was what they thought the tea people were a while ago, it has little bearing on what they are now.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 11, 2015 • 2:04:25pm

Seriously though. How the hell can you claim to believe that America is this special placed that has his God’s blessing but you think that allowing gays to marry will destroy it. By the way, I am still waiting for Rick to renounce his citizenship like the cowardly little fuck threatened to. Really Rick, not my problem that you have more in common with Islamists and Putin on gay people than our allies.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 11, 2015 • 2:04:39pm

re: #201 wrenchwench

I think the nutjobs who started it said they were for everyone, but they never meant EVERYONE.

I think you’re right that if someone was what they thought the tea people were a while ago, it has little bearing on what they are now.

I agree with this.

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Chan Kobun  Aug 11, 2015 • 2:05:16pm

re: #165 Black d20

Mrgrgr.

mrgrgr
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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Aug 11, 2015 • 2:06:36pm

re: #190 HappyWarrior

if Sanders got the nomination, I still would expect the gun lobby to trash him so I don’t want to hear that his nomination would totally negate the NRA/GOA factor in an election. These guys are nothing but right wing shlils. Example point, when Creigh Deeds, a Virginia Democrat with a strong gun record got nominated for governor, the NRA came out against him and for his opponent with a lot of money. Didn’t matter that the two had identical records on guns.

that would be yet another example of that subtle rhetorical technique so popular with the gop known as shameless blatant ass lying

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Blind Frog Belly White  Aug 11, 2015 • 2:07:09pm

re: #192 ObserverArt

I have a couple questions.

Are all Bernie followers really liberals/progressives? Or because of Bernie calling himself an independent socialist does that make his rallies attractive to all sorts of political types? And since he is a bit of a phenomena politically, couldn’t he be drawing even some conservatives and libertarians just to check him out?

I think it a minor mistake for anyone to categorize all people at Bernie events “progressives” at this point in time.

When the TeaParty was originally created, it was meant to be for ALL political types. It only became conservative when the GOP decided to astro turf them into their party that everyone thought of them as conservatives nut jobs. I think some of the original tea party members got out once it became too RWNJ.

The young lady with BLM being discussed could see herself and her family as original tea party types and may not be strictly conservative.

Politics in this country is so screwed up and people call themselves all kinds of things. It’s pretty easy to get confused in it all, and I would think more so with the younger people that get a lot of their politics off the internet.

There’s a strong streak of “I know what’s best for everyone” in many white liberals. And a fair number of them can be kind of insufferable. I think a lot of them are drawn to Sanders, because he’s not Hillary, whom they see as tainted by things like her 2002 vote in Iraq. And there’s a whole lot of blindness to racial issues, too.

The thing is, though, Conservatism is openly about maintaining the current power structures. This is exposed by the vastly different response to a rancher stealing from the rest of us to make money (“He’s a REAL American, fighting against Government Oppression!!!”) versus BLM, fighting against ACTUAL government oppression (“Thugs waging a war on The Police!!!)

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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Aug 11, 2015 • 2:08:05pm

re: #196 HappyWarrior

American Exceptionalism*
* except when America does something I don’t like such as allowing gays to marry or workers to have better wages.

american exceptionalism: i take exception to using tax money to help people

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HappyWarrior  Aug 11, 2015 • 2:08:12pm

re: #205 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸

that would be yet another example of that subtle rhetorical technique so popular with the gop known as shameless blatant ass lying

Sure is. It was funny as fuck to hear how Creigh Deeds, the pride of Bath County was a liberal gun grabber. He ran a disappointing campaign all things considered but that campaign really showed me how the NRA/GOA don’t really care about your record on guns. They care about who can protect the gun lobby interests.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 11, 2015 • 2:10:04pm

re: #206 Blind Frog Belly White

There’s a strong streak of “I know what’s best for everyone” in many white liberals. And a fair number of them can be kind of insufferable. I think a lot of them are drawn to Sanders, because he’s not Hillary, whom they see as tainted by things like her 2002 vote in Iraq. And there’s a whole lot of blindness to racial issues, too.

The thing is, though, Conservatism is openly about maintaining the current power structures. This is exposed by the vastly different response to a rancher stealing from the rest of us to make money (“He’s a REAL American, fighting against Government Oppression!!!”) versus BLM, fighting against ACTUAL government oppression (“Thugs waging a war on The Police!!!)

Sounds right. A lot of those same types hated Kerry for the 2002 Iraq War vote and were even upset at his and also before him Hillary’s nomination to be SoS because of it. I think most of Bernie’s supporters even the insufferable ones are well intentioned people but they really can be total jerks to people who have a more pragmatic view of politics and the world. Now that said, I think some ultra pragmatists can be dicks to idealistic types too.

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Dr. Matt  Aug 11, 2015 • 2:10:44pm

re: #201 wrenchwench

I think the nutjobs who started it said they were for everyone, but they never meant EVERYONE.

I think you’re right that if someone was what they thought the tea people were a while ago, it has little bearing on what they are now.

It was mostly lip service to claim it was for “ALL political types”. Face it, someone wearing an Obama t-shirt would not have been welcomed with open-arms even at the earliest of rallies.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Aug 11, 2015 • 2:10:50pm

I’m assuming every GOP candidate except Trump/Bush have been guests of the AFA in one form or another. Has anyone compiled a list/articles?

Heck. Maybe Bush has been a guest of theirs given what he did to Terri Schaivo.

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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Aug 11, 2015 • 2:11:30pm

re: #208 HappyWarrior

Sure is. It was funny as fuck to hear how Creigh Deeds, the pride of Bath County was a liberal gun grabber. He ran a disappointing campaign all things considered but that campaign really showed me how the NRA/GOA don’t really care about your record on guns. They care about who can protect the gun lobby interests.

also, often the real agenda that is being protected is never mentioned and the campaign is fought out over fake issues

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goddamnedfrank  Aug 11, 2015 • 2:11:40pm
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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Aug 11, 2015 • 2:13:38pm

re: #12 The Vicious Babushka

I wonder how many wingnuts know this


Israel’s abortion law now among world’s most liberal

They are not talking about the real Israel, they are talking about their idealized image of what Israel is supposed to be and to stand for.

Just like they do not talk about the real Ronald Reagan, or real gun-toting “patriots” like the kind we see on the streets of Ferguson today, only their image of what these people are supposed to stand for.

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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Aug 11, 2015 • 2:13:54pm

re: #206 Blind Frog Belly White

There’s a strong streak of “I know what’s best for everyone” in many white liberals. And a fair number of them can be kind of insufferable. I think a lot of them are drawn to Sanders, because he’s not Hillary, whom they see as tainted by things like her 2002 vote in Iraq. And there’s a whole lot of blindness to racial issues, too.

The thing is, though, Conservatism is openly about maintaining the current power structures. This is exposed by the vastly different response to a rancher stealing from the rest of us to make money (“He’s a REAL American, fighting against Government Oppression!!!”) versus BLM, fighting against ACTUAL government oppression (“Thugs waging a war on The Police!!!)

condescension and ‘knowing what is best for the less privileged classes’ was probably the worst failing of the original progressives a hundred years ago

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aagcobb  Aug 11, 2015 • 2:14:21pm

New Poll from Rasmussen shows Fiorina was the big winner, despite appearing in the kiddie table debate; she is now in a virtual tie with Bush, Rubio and Walker for second place with Carson and Cruz close behind. Trump, of course, is seven points ahead of everyone else.

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Mike Lamb  Aug 11, 2015 • 2:14:46pm

re: #197 makeitstop

Wingnut Mad-Libs:

(Wingnut): _____ will destroy America thanks to the Supreme Court’s ruling on _____

More like Cards Against Humanity.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Aug 11, 2015 • 2:16:17pm

re: #210 Dr. Matt

It was mostly lip service to claim it was for “ALL political types”. Face it, someone wearing an Obama t-shirt would not have been welcomed with open-arms even at the earliest of rallies.

The key is remembering that it all got started when Rick Santelli went nuts over the idea of bailing out homeowners whose houses lost a lot of value, after we’d spent at Trillion dollars pulling Wall Street back up the cliff they drove the rest of us over.

Saving rich fucks whose hubris triggered the worst financial crisis since the Great Depression - that was fine with him. Helping the regular folks who got fleeced by the rich fucks - THAT was UNACCEPTABLE!!!!

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HappyWarrior  Aug 11, 2015 • 2:16:51pm

re: #215 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸

condescension and ‘knowing what is best for the less privileged classes’ was probably the worst failing of the original progressives a hundred years ago

Especially in regards to Prohibition. I’ve said here before but my username is both tribute to Hubert Humphrey but also Al Smith who was a liberal by and large but not trusted by the Progressive crowd due to his strong opposition to Prohibition. Now Al did become opposed to the New Deal and FDR mostly I think due to his own bitterness but he was a great voice against Prohibition and more responsible than not for pushing liberal ideals into the Democratic party.

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andres  Aug 11, 2015 • 2:17:50pm

re: #197 makeitstop

Wingnut Mad-Libs:

(Wingnut): _____ will destroy America thanks to the Supreme Court’s ruling on _____

Sounds like those Facebook memes where you get a name according to your initials or birthdate.

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The Vicious Babushka  Aug 11, 2015 • 2:19:07pm
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Black d20  Aug 11, 2015 • 2:19:28pm

re: #204 Chan Kobun

Figured SOMEONE here would notice.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Aug 11, 2015 • 2:20:14pm

re: #216 aagcobb

New Poll from Rasmussen shows Fiorina was the big winner, despite appearing in the kiddie table debate; she is now in a virtual tie with Bush, Rubio and Walker for second place with Carson and Cruz close behind. Trump, of course, is seven points ahead of everyone else.

I gave up trusting anything from Rasmussen after 2008. I’m sure some of their polls are clean, but they so obviously had their thumb on the scales in others that there’s nothing from them I’d trust.

Still, yeah, Fiorina did herself a favor by not being as bad as the rest of those clowns.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 11, 2015 • 2:20:28pm

The Progressive crowd of the Progressive era just didn’t understand that to white ethnics especially groups like the Irish, Germans, Slavs, and Jews that having a drink was part of their culture and for those groups who more likely were to be blue collar and thus work longer hours and live stressful lives, sometimes a beer at the end of the day was what they needed. The efforts to get women the right to vote, the efforts against the poor treatment of workers, etc are all admirable but I really think the Progressives didn’t understand working class Americans especially those of immigrant or recent immigrant stock. Smith and FDR later especially understood them better even though FDR was an elite himself and Smith was a Wall Street lawyer too I think.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 11, 2015 • 2:24:14pm

There’s a great fairly new book about Tammany Hall that I read. Tammany’s often portrayed as one of the bad guys in New York history but I really think their legacy is more mixed. They allowed immigrants to participate in our government. Now their tactics can definitely be debated and I am not saying guys like Boss Tweed were great guys or would win an integrity award but I really do feel that Tammany’s legacy is more complicated than the old Thomas Nast political cartoon casting Tweed as a vulture. The machine had its problems but the machine also was willing to understand the immigrant when he came off the docks and as someone who definitely qualifies as a white ethnic American, I appreciate that legacy.

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The Vicious Babushka  Aug 11, 2015 • 2:25:36pm

re: #223 Blind Frog Belly White

Fiorina did herself a favor by not being as bad as the rest of those clowns.

She is every bit as horrible as all the rest of those clowns.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 11, 2015 • 2:25:43pm

re: #221 The Vicious Babushka

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I hope you do the same with anyone who uses the word statist to describe anyone who wants some government.

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Dr. Matt  Aug 11, 2015 • 2:25:46pm

re: #218 Blind Frog Belly White

The key is remembering that it all got started when Rick Santelli went nuts over the idea of bailing out homeowners whose houses lost a lot of value, after we’d spent at Trillion dollars pulling Wall Street back up the cliff they drove the rest of us over.

Yup. I recall. Drudge and the far-right (and dudebros) were wanking off to replays of his video.

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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Aug 11, 2015 • 2:27:15pm

re: #224 HappyWarrior

and Smith was a Wall Street lawyer too I think.

smith came up the hard way but was noticed early by tammany hall as a bright kid. however, once they got him into higher office they let him pretty much alone and allowed him to do good

there’s a good pocket bio of him embedded in caro’s book on robert moses i think it was

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HappyWarrior  Aug 11, 2015 • 2:27:57pm

re: #228 Dr. Matt

Yup. I recall. Drudge and the far-right (and dudebros) were wanking off to replays of his video.

The most fucked up thing these elites have done is turn people against each other. See all the middle class folks on social media who shit on minimum wage workers wanting better pay. They should be seeing someone who aspires to have a better life for them and their family but the elites through their allies in politics and the media have convinced enough people that the bad guys aren’t executives giving themselves generous bonuses but rather average people trying to make a better living. It’s always been like this but what’s fucked up is the unions aren’t as strong as they once were to push back against that crap.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Aug 11, 2015 • 2:28:30pm

re: #226 The Vicious Babushka

She is every bit as horrible as all the rest of those clowns.

I was referring to how she presented herself. If she weren’t as horrible as the rest of those clowns policy-wise, she’d still be below single digits, or rather all her digits would be to the right of the decimal.

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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Aug 11, 2015 • 2:28:49pm

seems to me that the gop establishment is beginning to give up on the jeb and considering kasich as the replacement

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HappyWarrior  Aug 11, 2015 • 2:29:49pm

re: #229 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸

smith came up the hard way but was noticed early by tammany hall as a bright kid. however, once they got him into higher office they let him pretty much alone and allowed him to do good

there’s a good pocket bio of him embedded in caro’s book on robert moses i think it was

Yeah I would love for a detailed bio to be written about him. He’s really a forgotten guy I think in liberal history. I admit I have a soft spot for him since he like me was of Irish and German extraction and even though I am not a practicing Catholic anymore or ever really was, the crap he got put through for being a Catholic was awful. Plus he was friends with Babe Ruth, that’s a pretty cool story in itself. He was the first truly urban presidential candidate. All the others before him were either rural or suburbanites.

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Lidane  Aug 11, 2015 • 2:29:59pm

re: #216 aagcobb

New Poll from Rasmussen shows Fiorina was the big winner, despite appearing in the kiddie table debate; she is now in a virtual tie with Bush, Rubio and Walker for second place with Carson and Cruz close behind. Trump, of course, is seven points ahead of everyone else.

If that poll was used to set the next debate, we’d see a top 10 of Trump, Bush, Walker, Rubio, Fiorina, Carson, Cruz, Paul, Christie, and Kasich. Huck would be pushed out and sent to the kid’s table.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Aug 11, 2015 • 2:30:44pm

re: #232 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸

seems to me that the gop establishment is beginning to give up on the jeb and considering kasich as the replacement

When the predominant comment about him is “I thought he was supposed to be the SMART one?”, he seems pretty much toast.

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Dr. Matt  Aug 11, 2015 • 2:32:07pm

I was adding a #WhitePrivilege hashtag to a tweet and twitter tried to autofill #WhiteGenocide. Out of curiosity I visited the latter…..fucking scary stuff folks. These people could be your neighbors.

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Aunty Entity Dragon  Aug 11, 2015 • 2:32:41pm

Utterly ass kicking video by West Point historian debunking the “Civil War was not about slavery” bullshit artists.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Aug 11, 2015 • 2:33:48pm

re: #236 Dr. Matt

I was adding a #WhitePrivilege hashtag to a tweet and twitter tried to autofill #WhiteGenocide. Out of curiosity I visited the latter…..fucking scary stuff folks. These people could be your neighbors.

Not mine. Filipinos on one side, Afghani on the other side, and Chinese across the street.

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Kragar  Aug 11, 2015 • 2:36:16pm

re: #236 Dr. Matt

I prefer the term “Honkeycaust” thank you very much.

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Dr. Matt  Aug 11, 2015 • 2:36:42pm

re: #238 Blind Frog Belly White

Not mine. Filipinos on one side, Afghani on the other side, and Chinese across the street.

Hopefully each household invites you over for dinner….often. Afghani is one of my favorite cuisines.

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wrenchwench  Aug 11, 2015 • 2:37:31pm
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HappyWarrior  Aug 11, 2015 • 2:39:16pm

re: #237 Aunty Entity Dragon

Utterly ass kicking video by West Point historian debunking the “Civil War was not about slavery” bullshit artists.

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The colonel nails it from the start when he points out that people just don’t want to admit that people died for such a horrible thing. This is really good though. Props to Colonel Seidule for doing this. He also brings up a point that Kragar has mentioned on Southern hypocrisy on states rights. The bottom rung of the social ladder is something one of my professors brought up and said professor was Georgia through and through and I wouldn’t be shocked if he had a forefather fight for the CSA. He’s right also about how Lincoln evolved. I’m proud that my great great grandfather served in the Army of the Potomac during the war.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 11, 2015 • 2:39:56pm

re: #240 Dr. Matt

Hopefully each household invites you over for dinner….often. Afghani is one of my favorite cuisines.

So fucking good.

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Dr. Matt  Aug 11, 2015 • 2:42:14pm

re: #243 HappyWarrior

So fucking good.

I had it for the first time 2 years ago. I was blown away and then pissed that it took this long in my life to try it out.

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Lidane  Aug 11, 2015 • 2:44:13pm

Oy. Fox News is on the teevee at work again. Muted, thankfully.

Current chryon: FIORINA: GOOD FOR COMPANIES TO OFFER PAID MATERNITY LEAVE. GOV’T SHOULDN’T MANDATE IT.

Who takes this shrew seriously? Failed CEO. Failed Senate candidate. Demon sheep. WTF. Are the GOP that desperate for a woma n to be on the next debate stage that they actually believe this shit, or are they just that heartless?

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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Aug 11, 2015 • 2:44:46pm

by the way let me recommend again paul boller’s ‘presidential campaigns’ as one of the best not to mention most entertaining histories of american presidential campaigning i’ve ever read

it helps a lot to see just how far back a lot of these presidential campaign gambits go

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makeitstop  Aug 11, 2015 • 2:45:09pm

re: #245 Lidane

Are the GOP that desperate for a woman to be on the next debate stage that they actually believe this shit, or are they just that heartless?

Why not both?

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blueraven  Aug 11, 2015 • 2:45:35pm

The Chinese devalues their currency. Stock Market drops like a stone.

Bright spot; oil under $44 per barrel. Lowest in over 6 years.

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Targetpractice  Aug 11, 2015 • 2:47:14pm

re: #245 Lidane

Oy. Fox News is on the teevee at work again. Muted, thankfully.

Current chryon: FIORINA: GOOD FOR COMPANIES TO OFFER PAID MATERNITY LEAVE. GOV’T SHOULDN’T MANDATE IT.

Who takes this shrew seriously? Failed CEO. Failed Senate candidate. Demon sheep. WTF. Are the GOP that desperate for a woma n to be on the next debate stage that they actually believe this shit, or are they just that heartless?

The media morons who want some manner of “GOP alternative” to Hillary, just like how they keep pimping Carson as some sort of “GOP alternative” to the President. Gotta keep alive this idea that the GOP is diverse and welcoming, rather than a party almost entirely dominated by rich old white men that caters to the same.

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Khal Wimpo  Aug 11, 2015 • 2:48:10pm

re: #19 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸

“blaine! blaine! james g blaine! continental liar from the state of maine!”

I remember one of my fave history professors quoting that way, way back when Reagan was still in his 1st term. Never quite figured out what a “continental liar” was … any hints? Was “continental” something of an adjective meaning “really superior”? Is that why there are “Lincoln Continentals”? Am I answering my own question? Is it time to get back to work?

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Mattand  Aug 11, 2015 • 2:50:03pm

re: #130 goddamnedfrank

Ali Vitali on MSNBC saying people like Trump’s “authenticity.”

Who the fuck are these idiots? How credulous does a person have to be to listen to Trump and think he isn’t just selling conservatives a cynical pile of bullshit carefully crafted to their racist, sexist and anti-government biases.

God, I fucking hate this. I caught some asswipe “independent” saying this about Trump last week: that Trump’s popularity is proof that people are fed up with politics as usual.

Give me a fucking break. The only people that like Trump are the goddamn racist Confederate-flag waving mouthbreathing Tea Baggers who are so out of their frigging minds, loons like Ted Cruz and Ben Carson are too liberal for them.

And, once again, I’d like to thank MSNBC for dispelling the “Opposite of Fox News” horseshit. Because if MSNBC were the diametric opposite of Fox, Ali Vitali would be pointing what I just wrote.

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Mattand  Aug 11, 2015 • 2:53:18pm

Not gonna lie. In a really foul mood right now.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Aug 11, 2015 • 2:56:05pm

re: #240 Dr. Matt

Hopefully each household invites you over for dinner….often. Afghani is one of my favorite cuisines.

Nah. That guy’s an asshole.

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Eric The Fruit Bat  Aug 11, 2015 • 2:57:09pm

re: #97 goddamnedfrank

That’s why the battery industry moved from NiCd to NiMH. IN addition to getting a 20% output life lift in high-drain sceanrios, they could be tossed without worrying about toxic pollutants.

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ObserverArt  Aug 11, 2015 • 2:57:28pm

re: #232 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸

seems to me that the gop establishment is beginning to give up on the jeb and considering kasich as the replacement

This was what I have been saying once it became known Kasich was considering a run…he is a good politician and he can somehow get people to buy into his style of politics and take him seriously. I don’t get it myself as I’ve never liked the guy. Over his career he has manged to do quite well for himself.

If he keeps from going total asshole he will gain more and more credit as a “moderate” and not as crazy as the others. If he blows up at some point, then he’ll get lumped in with the others.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Aug 11, 2015 • 2:58:03pm

re: #245 Lidane

Oy. Fox News is on the teevee at work again. Muted, thankfully.

Current chryon: FIORINA: GOOD FOR COMPANIES TO OFFER PAID MATERNITY LEAVE. GOV’T SHOULDN’T MANDATE IT.

Who takes this shrew seriously? Failed CEO. Failed Senate candidate. Demon sheep. WTF. Are the GOP that desperate for a woma n to be on the next debate stage that they actually believe this shit, or are they just that heartless?

I can answer that question in two words:

Sarah Palin.

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EPR-radar  Aug 11, 2015 • 2:59:38pm

re: #252 Mattand

Not gonna lie. In a really foul mood right now.

I try to avoid getting in a bad mood because of the daily nonsense from Republicans. Being outrageously stupid and malicious is simply what they do and who they are.

We’ve already reached the point where no single word or phrase in US politics carries the full negative meaning of the word “Republican” better than the word itself.

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KGxvi  Aug 11, 2015 • 3:00:21pm

re: #245 Lidane

considering she opposes the minimum wage - not raising it, it’s actual existence at the federal level - it’s not at all surprising that she’d say yay pryvate interprizes boooo gubment tuk mah jerb

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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Aug 11, 2015 • 3:01:22pm

re: #250 Khal Wimpo

I remember one of my fave history professors quoting that way, way back when Reagan was still in his 1st term. Never quite figured out what a “continental liar” was … any hints? Was “continental” something of an adjective meaning “really superior”? Is that why there are “Lincoln Continentals”? Am I answering my own question? Is it time to get back to work?

a ‘continental lawyer’ was one that was trained in the continental european codified system of civil law, which is different than the common law system that we inherited from england

blaine i guess had training in continental law and advertised himself that way, opening him up to the insult ‘continental liar’. he had been caught lying about some other stuff and a lot was made of it during the campaign

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Dr. Matt  Aug 11, 2015 • 3:02:34pm

CCJ believes he’s still relevant….

#ChuckCJohnson believes he’s still relevant. #priceless
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sagehen  Aug 11, 2015 • 3:02:41pm

re: #250 Khal Wimpo

I remember one of my fave history professors quoting that way, way back when Reagan was still in his 1st term. Never quite figured out what a “continental liar” was … any hints? Was “continental” something of an adjective meaning “really superior”? Is that why there are “Lincoln Continentals”? Am I answering my own question? Is it time to get back to work?

In some contexts, “continental” means European but not British. For fashion, food, art and sex, this was often (depending on the particular time frame) a very good thing.

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Chan Kobun  Aug 11, 2015 • 3:04:12pm

re: #260 Dr. Matt

One of the surest signs of a malignant narcissist is that everything’s about them. Everything.

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Eric The Fruit Bat  Aug 11, 2015 • 3:04:35pm

I’d ask all of these GOP’ers which one would be willing to use a nuclear warhead in battle, knowing that our use would result in 100% guaranteed response against the United States and our allies by Russia/China/Pakistan/Israel/North Korea?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 11, 2015 • 3:05:12pm

re: #192 ObserverArt

I have a couple questions.

Are all Bernie followers really liberals/progressives? Or because of Bernie calling himself an independent socialist does that make his rallies attractive to all sorts of political types? And since he is a bit of a phenomena politically, couldn’t he be drawing even some conservatives and libertarians just to check him out?

I think it a minor mistake for anyone to categorize all people at Bernie events “progressives” at this point in time.

It’s not the greatest analogy, but I see Bernie similar to Eugene Debs. He’s saying the things (especially about the economy) that strike a serious chord with people of many different “labels”; things that other candidates generally do not talk about.
Personally, I don’t believe Bernie will get the nomination. But what he IS doing (like Debs), is driving the conversation to issues that people genuinely do care about.
As a result, the Democratic party will have to recognize this and incorporate (and implement) the issues Bernie is pushing.
Debs never won, but he succeeded somewhat in the end. Especially for the labor movement.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Aug 11, 2015 • 3:05:30pm

re: #262 Chan Kobun

One of the surest signs of a narcissist is that everything’s about them. Everything.

“God sent that tornado that killed all those kids at that elementary school just to teach me a lesson!”

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thedopefishlives  Aug 11, 2015 • 3:05:59pm

re: #263 Eric The Fruit Bat

I’d ask all of these GOP’ers which one would be willing to use a nuclear warhead in battle, knowing that our use would result in 100% guaranteed response against the United States and our allies by Russia/China/Pakistan/Israel/North Korea?

Every last one of them, because the sooner they do it, the sooner they bring about Armageddon and Jesus can come back. And if not, hey, all those ebil atheists will burn in nuclear fire and they can repopulate the world with saints!

Evening Lizardim.

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Decatur Deb  Aug 11, 2015 • 3:07:29pm

re: #261 sagehen

In some contexts, “continental” means European but not British. For fashion, food, art and sex, this was often (depending on the particular time frame) a very good thing.

Lincoln Continental refers to the spare-tire carrier body style, so not that. It’s possible that ‘continental’ refers to the paper money (continental dollar) issued by the Continental congress. It had very little value.

en.wikipedia.org

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Blind Frog Belly White  Aug 11, 2015 • 3:07:41pm

re: #263 Eric The Fruit Bat

I’d ask all of these GOP’ers which one would be willing to use a nuclear warhead in battle, knowing that our use would result in 100% guaranteed response against the United States and our allies by Russia/China/Pakistan/Israel/North Korea?

They would deny the premise of your question, because we’re the US of A and if WE do it, everyone will either agree with us or be too afraid of us to retaliate.

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Jenner7  Aug 11, 2015 • 3:08:29pm

re: #97 goddamnedfrank

Now it’s going into San Juan river here in Utah.

Sigh…

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Higgs Boson's Mate  Aug 11, 2015 • 3:08:52pm

re: #248 blueraven

The Chinese devalues their currency. Stock Market drops like a stone.

Bright spot; oil under $44 per barrel. Lowest in over 6 years.

The market for cars in China has fallen off a cliff. Some of the automotive sites were all on about it.

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Aug 11, 2015 • 3:11:10pm

re: #261 sagehen

In some contexts, “continental” means European but not British. For fashion, food, art and sex, this was often (depending on the particular time frame) a very good thing.

I just thought it referred to a lame-ass breakfast without fried eggs, bacon, sausage or hash browns…

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Jenner7  Aug 11, 2015 • 3:11:52pm
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wrenchwench  Aug 11, 2015 • 3:12:50pm

[…]

By making the southwestern border more costly and dangerous to cross, we have created powerful incentives for those who make it into the United States to remain here. The rise in smugglers’ fees, for instance, encourages undocumented migrants to extend their stay to amortize that expense over a longer period. If they go home, even for a short visit, they have to pay heavily to be smuggled back in.

[…]

Nobody is going home for Christmas or Mom’s funeral.

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blueraven  Aug 11, 2015 • 3:14:50pm

Latest Fox breaking news freakout: Clinton emails include TOP SECRET

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HappyWarrior  Aug 11, 2015 • 3:15:14pm

re: #272 Jenner7

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To be perfectly honest, I was never impressed with the conservative movement before. Even WFB who gets retrospectively praised i must note made his bones as a McCarthy defender and NR pushed pro-segregation crap for decades and WFB loved him some Apartheid South Africa and Francoist Spain. Sure he wasn’t outwardly anti-intellectual like you see on the right today but he had the same quasi-authoritarian mindset that many on the right do have.

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Jenner7  Aug 11, 2015 • 3:15:39pm

Not sure if anybody posted this, but this is not acceptable:

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HappyWarrior  Aug 11, 2015 • 3:15:48pm

re: #274 blueraven

Latest Fox breaking news freakout: Clinton emails include TOP SECRET

Wow a Secretary of State had top secret emails. That’s some ground working detective work right there.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 11, 2015 • 3:16:12pm

re: #276 Jenner7

Not sure if anybody posted this, but this is not acceptable:

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No, it’s not.

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KGxvi  Aug 11, 2015 • 3:16:45pm

re: #263 Eric The Fruit Bat

I’m not sure we’d have any allies left if we used a nuclear weapon (again). Which is one of the ironies of the weapons. They are more a shield than a sword (nobody is going to invade a nuclear power, which is why Pakistan, India, North Korea, and Iran pursued them; but actually using them will completely isolate you from the rest of the world).

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Jenner7  Aug 11, 2015 • 3:19:01pm

Been a long day. Took kiddos to doc appointment before school starts, then went to see Inside Out. Smart movie. Then bad news. Car needs fixed, very expensive. Sigh….

Oh well, we’ll manage. Always do. :)

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Romantic Heretic  Aug 11, 2015 • 3:21:18pm

re: #194 Lidane

Same nutcase who thinks that Obama will nuke Texas during Jade Helm 16:

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*facepalm*

Obama wouldn’t need to.

He’d just have to let Texas secede and the place would devolve into Mad Max territory within a year.

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Eric The Fruit Bat  Aug 11, 2015 • 3:22:56pm

re: #268 Blind Frog Belly White

Yet no other nation who possesses nuclear ordinance has used it in anger the way we did. There have been many instances where using such ordinance would have resulted in total surrender and probably a much smaller loss of life over such skirmishes, but for some ‘odd’ reason they were not brought to bear.

Would the Iran-Iraq war have lasted as long as it did with such an incredible casualty count had someone not provided them with some form of dial-a-yield device? (c.f. Woody Allen’s “Bananas”)

Makes ya kinda wonder.

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thedopefishlives  Aug 11, 2015 • 3:23:42pm

re: #280 Jenner7

Been a long day. Took kiddos to doc appointment before school starts, then went to see Inside Out. Smart movie. Then bad news. Car needs fixed, very expensive. Sigh….

Oh well, we’ll manage. Always do. :)

These things do happen. Still paying off a new transmission that went into my daily driver a couple months back. Bloody stupid things.

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Skip Intro  Aug 11, 2015 • 3:25:18pm

re: #248 blueraven

The Chinese devalues their currency. Stock Market drops like a stone.

Bright spot; oil under $44 per barrel. Lowest in over 6 years.

Goddamn Obama is trying to kill the oil industry. Who will be the first to say it at the next GOP sideshow?

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Bubblehead II  Aug 11, 2015 • 3:27:33pm

re: #277 HappyWarrior

Wow a Secretary of State had top secret emails. That’s some ground working detective work right there.

Well if and I say if, she did in fact have TS material on a private, unsecured server, it would constitute a severe breach of security. But given HRC is a not stupid person and having been both First Lady and SoS she has been well trained in the handling of classified material. This is probably a nothing burger.

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Eric The Fruit Bat  Aug 11, 2015 • 3:27:46pm

re: #276 Jenner7

That’s why #BLM needs to master the darknet, burner phones and open WiFI spaces.

Right now LE across the board isn’t afraid of and can easily track #BLM. Turn the tables, and the costs to every LE entity go up significantly. Hell, use amateur radio if necessary with a codebook.

Do not fear your government. Make the government fear you.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 11, 2015 • 3:28:54pm

re: #285 Bubblehead II

Well if and I say if, she did in fact have TS material on a private, unsecured server, it would constitute a severe breach of security. But given HRC is a not stupid person and having been both First Lady and SoS she has been well trained in the handling of classified material. This is probably a nothing burger.

I agree.

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#FergusonFireside  Aug 11, 2015 • 3:29:46pm

re: #276 Jenner7

Not sure if anybody posted this, but this is not acceptable:

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And Brittany & Alexis have just been arrested.

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Skip Intro  Aug 11, 2015 • 3:30:52pm

re: #171 Lidane

Someone is desperate for a VP slot:

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This is rich. Super Birther Trump, whose own mother wasn’t a “native born citizen”, therefore making him ineligible by birther standards, will choose a Canadian with no US born parents who is triple ineligible by those same standards.

I await the media to ask Trump/Cruz about this. I don’t expect to live long enough for any of them to ever do it.

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Decatur Deb  Aug 11, 2015 • 3:32:25pm

re: #276 Jenner7

Not sure if anybody posted this, but this is not acceptable:

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Someday he’ll bore his grandkids with his dossier.

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Skip Intro  Aug 11, 2015 • 3:33:30pm

re: #174 The Vicious Babushka

Uh Dana, Vermont is like one of TEH MOAST LIBRUL states in the Union! Not because of MOAR GUNZ.

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It also has one of the lowest population densities too.

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calochortus  Aug 11, 2015 • 3:33:49pm

re: #273 wrenchwench

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Nobody is going home for Christmas or Mom’s funeral.

They also miss their families and send for them to come join them when they can. Then you get more immigrants, and of course, those US citizen anchor babies…

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Eric The Fruit Bat  Aug 11, 2015 • 3:33:52pm

re: #281 Romantic Heretic

And better still-The new country will have to deal with the migrants coming across THEIR borders, and they will have no recourse against the US.

In addition, Southwest and American will have to deal with the FAA on flight restrictions.

The bigger problem will be those citizens who became unwitting citizens of a new country and their ability of getting all of the services their former government provided them.

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Jenner7  Aug 11, 2015 • 3:35:38pm

And out the door I go again…grrrr! BBL.

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CuriousLurker  Aug 11, 2015 • 3:37:51pm

re: #276 Jenner7

Not sure if anybody posted this, but this is not acceptable:

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Yeah, last week RWC did a Page on the government monitoring BLM.

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Mattand  Aug 11, 2015 • 3:37:57pm

re: #257 EPR-radar

I try to avoid getting in a bad mood because of the daily nonsense from Republicans. Being outrageously stupid and malicious is simply what they do and who they are.

We’ve already reached the point where no single word or phrase in US politics carries the full negative meaning of the word “Republican” better than the word itself.

Actually, Ted Cruz’s theocratic wet dreams were the capper of a shitty day. A local temp agency called me in for an interview about a specific job, and then revealed to me that the job had already been filled a few days ago. In the fucking interview.

Fucking 2 hours of my life wasted dragging my ass into Center City for a 15 minute interview that could have been handled over Skype.

This is why when people tell me I’m talented, I tend to rather bluntly tell them it doesn’t mean shit. If I’m so fucking talented, I wouldn’t be constantly going through this shit.

On top of that, the dog is refusing to eat, which most likely means there’s something seriously wrong.

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blueraven  Aug 11, 2015 • 3:38:53pm

re: #284 Skip Intro

Goddamn Obama is trying to kill the oil industry. Who will be the first to say it at the next GOP sideshow?

But we need Keystone pipeline, right now!!!

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Blind Frog Belly White  Aug 11, 2015 • 3:40:06pm

re: #297 blueraven

But we need Keystone pipeline, right now!!!

Are they still rattling on about that?

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goddamnedfrank  Aug 11, 2015 • 3:40:23pm

re: #296 Mattand

On top of that, the dog is refusing to eat, which most likely means there’s something seriously wrong.

Is your dog itching too?

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blueraven  Aug 11, 2015 • 3:41:16pm

re: #298 Blind Frog Belly White

Are they still rattling on about that?

They jumped Hillary for refusing to comment on it one way or the other. Jeb Bush said…of course we need it!

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Romantic Heretic  Aug 11, 2015 • 3:44:08pm

re: #257 EPR-radar

I try to avoid getting in a bad mood because of the daily nonsense from Republicans. Being outrageously stupid and malicious is simply what they do and who they are.

We’ve already reached the point where no single word or phrase in US politics carries the full negative meaning of the word “Republican” better than the word itself.

When exposed to the silly and often evil derp that pours from the pieholes of the current members of the GOP I just recite this little aphorism to myself.

To be angered by evil is to partake of it, stupid. - Phrases of Import and Salvation, Chapter IX, The Book of Universal Truths and Other Humorous Anecdotes

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Blind Frog Belly White  Aug 11, 2015 • 3:44:12pm

re: #300 blueraven

They jumped Hillary for refusing to comment on it one way or the other. Jeb Bush said…of course we need it!

*rolls eyes* What a bunch of maroons.

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blueraven  Aug 11, 2015 • 3:46:10pm

excellent trolling…

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Romantic Heretic  Aug 11, 2015 • 3:47:00pm

re: #263 Eric The Fruit Bat

I’d ask all of these GOP’ers which one would be willing to use a nuclear warhead in battle, knowing that our use would result in 100% guaranteed response against the United States and our allies by Russia/China/Pakistan/Israel/North Korea?

Most of them would because God will protect us!

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Bubblehead II  Aug 11, 2015 • 3:47:16pm

This is all well and good. But the more important question is, Has he been charged?

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Eric The Fruit Bat  Aug 11, 2015 • 3:47:19pm

re: #279 KGxvi

That is where the US holds the cards-we’ve used them once before, and if things get out of control we are more than capable of using them again. No other nation can claim that, and anyone outside of the US who decides to go down that road in a conflict has signed off on the destruction of the world as whole.

At least now we are capable of calibrating just what kind of damage we are willing to inflict, which before was not possible. Even the Soviets gave up on their 100 MT Tsar Bomba.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Aug 11, 2015 • 3:48:53pm

re: #303 blueraven

excellent trolling…

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Obama should listen to the Generals! Except this time.

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ObserverArt  Aug 11, 2015 • 3:55:20pm

Just flipped on TV/MSNBC and they seem to waiting on The Donald™ for some kind of press conference. What’s up with this…anything special, or is he just going to do his regular conservative stand-up routine?

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The Vicious Babushka  Aug 11, 2015 • 4:02:46pm

re: #258 KGxvi

considering she opposes the minimum wage - not raising it, it’s actual existence at the federal level - it’s not at all surprising that she’d say yay pryvate interprizes boooo gubment tuk mah jerb

HURR HURR SENDING ALL TEH HIGH TECH SKILLED JERBS OVERSEAS IS GOOD FOR MURICA!!!!!! & LEARN OTHER CULTURES AS U TRAIN UR REPLACEMENT!!!!!

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Charles Johnson  Aug 11, 2015 • 4:03:19pm

re: #308 ObserverArt

Just flipped on TV/MSNBC and they seem to waiting on The DonaldTM for some kind of press conference. What’s up with this…anything special, or is he just going to do his regular conservative stand-up routine?

Just another opportunity for him to boast and preen. Nothing special.

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Sionainn  Aug 11, 2015 • 4:03:27pm

re: #308 ObserverArt

Just flipped on TV/MSNBC and they seem to waiting on The DonaldTM for some kind of press conference. What’s up with this…anything special, or is he just going to do his regular conservative stand-up routine?

It’s apparently a GOP dinner where he is going to give remarks.

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goddamnedfrank  Aug 11, 2015 • 4:04:35pm

re: #296 Mattand

If your dog is itching too, which is common in August, the loss of appetite might just be an allergic reaction from overproduction of histamines. Check for fleas, ticks and mites. In dogs allergic reactions frequently lead to stomach ulcers. The good news is that Benadryl is very safe for use in dogs and helps a lot.

The usual dosage for treating dogs is 1 mg/lb every 8 hours (three times daily) but can be doubled to 2mg/lb if needed.

If this works examine your dog closely, if you don’t notice any other symptoms like coughing, pale gums, lumps, diarrhea, etc you might be able to put off the vet visit until your next scheduled one if your finances are tight.

Sick dogs also love them some plain steamed / boiled chicken breast, mix it with steamed rice.

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blueraven  Aug 11, 2015 • 4:06:51pm

re: #308 ObserverArt

Just flipped on TV/MSNBC and they seem to waiting on The DonaldTM for some kind of press conference. What’s up with this…anything special, or is he just going to do his regular conservative stand-up routine?

I will bet he cracks hard on China’s devaluation of their currency. It’s a YUGE issue for him.

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#FergusonFireside  Aug 11, 2015 • 4:08:01pm

I have a suitcase full of laundry in the center of my living room.

ugh.

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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Aug 11, 2015 • 4:08:08pm

re: #312 goddamnedfrank

Sick dogs also love them some plain steamed / boiled chicken breast, mix it with steamed rice.

one word: bacon

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The Vicious Babushka  Aug 11, 2015 • 4:08:32pm

With all her millions you’d think Carly would see an orthodontist.

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jaunte  Aug 11, 2015 • 4:08:50pm

re: #314 #FergusonFireside

Step 1. Move it to the edge.

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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Aug 11, 2015 • 4:09:03pm

re: #313 blueraven

I will bet he cracks hard on China’s devaluation of their currency. It’s a YUGE issue for him.

“because our leaders are STOOOPID, and china’s are SMAAAHT”

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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Aug 11, 2015 • 4:09:46pm

re: #316 The Vicious Babushka

With all her millions you’d think Carly would see an orthodontist.

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i do think she has a future playing um character roles in the movies

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The Vicious Babushka  Aug 11, 2015 • 4:13:42pm

re: #319 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸

i do think she has a future playing um character roles in the movies

I can’t see her as Miss Marple but I can totally see her in other Agatha Christie roles, the wealthy dowager bitch who gets bumped off and there are like a zillion suspects with motive.

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Decatur Deb  Aug 11, 2015 • 4:14:11pm

re: #303 blueraven

excellent trolling…

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Only an Air Force 4-star is going to get away with calling himself “Fig” Newton.

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goddamnedfrank  Aug 11, 2015 • 4:14:13pm

re: #315 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸

one word: bacon

Not on an ulcer. Too greasy and over seasoned.

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ObserverArt  Aug 11, 2015 • 4:14:52pm

So this Trump gig is in Birch Run Michigan. What the heck is up there for Trump to be addressing the press?

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Higgs Boson's Mate  Aug 11, 2015 • 4:17:03pm

re: #316 The Vicious Babushka

With all her millions you’d think Carly would see an orthodontist.

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That girl looks like she tried to eat corn on the cob through a picket fence.

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blueraven  Aug 11, 2015 • 4:19:41pm

re: #322 goddamnedfrank

Not on an ulcer. Too greasy and over seasoned.

I make chicken/turkey with rice and vegetables for my dog regularly.

About a year ago, same thing happened to him. He wouldn’t eat. Unfortunately it wasn’t a simple fix. He also could not poop. Had an obstruction. Still paying off the vet bill.

So I would ask first if he is pooping and drinking water OK. If not, get him to the vet.

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No Depression  Aug 11, 2015 • 4:19:51pm

re: #323 ObserverArt

According to Wikipedia, it has the YOOGEST and CLASSIEST outlet mall in all the Midwest. That has to be it!

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wrenchwench  Aug 11, 2015 • 4:22:11pm

re: #326 No Depression

According to Wikipedia, it has the YOOGEST and CLASSIEST outlet mall in all the Midwest. That has to be it!

As long as there are TV cameras in there!

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7-y (Expectation of Great Things in Due Course)  Aug 11, 2015 • 4:23:01pm

re: #323 ObserverArt

So this Trump gig is in Birch Run Michigan. What the heck is up there for Trump to be addressing the press?

It’s mostly famous for being a freeway stop for vacationer travelers that has a group of “brand outlets” right off of US-23. A nothing place.

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Skip Intro  Aug 11, 2015 • 4:23:05pm

re: #316 The Vicious Babushka

With all her millions you’d think Carly would see an orthodontist.

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A plastic surgeon wouldn’t hurt either. Right now her face looks like it’s made out of wax.

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Mattand  Aug 11, 2015 • 4:23:15pm

re: #299 goddamnedfrank

Is your dog itching too?

re: #312 goddamnedfrank

Appreciate the advice. This literally came on this afternoon. No itches, but he did just a tumor removed two weeks ago. Thing is, after two days, he was pretty much back to his normal nutty self, including the normal voracious appetite.

We had him at the vet yesterday to get stitches out. Hopefully he didn’t catch anything up there. But like I said, this seems have come on in the last few hours. He gobbled up his breakfast with his usual T-Rex style. We’ll see what happens tomorrow.

Thanks again.

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A Mom Anon  Aug 11, 2015 • 4:23:49pm

re: #206 Blind Frog Belly White

I have a question though, and I’m asking as a white suburban mom who has not always had an easy life, and not always lived in the suburbs either.

I feel like BLM is doing an overall good job of drawing attention to the issue of police brutality and injustice in black communities. This is needed badly. Protests are all well and good, and again needed, but my question is, then what? There has to be something past a protest movement for anything to change. It’s not “just” racism that’s at issue here. There’s wrestling the prison system away from private companies, reforms in how police are being trained to see communities as the enemy, poverty, shitty schools in minority neighborhoods, food deserts in poor areas, lack of opportunity, lack of access to proper health care, the drug war, and on and on. This isn’t just one thing, it’s many, many things. What does BLM propose to do to address these issues? Because IMVHO this is where allies and communities can come together to do the most good. Grabbing a mic and screaming at a mostly white crowd that this is their fault (in so many words) isn’t going to fix anything.

In order for shit to change, like it or not, it’s going to take more than just Black activists to get us there and it’s going to take a LONG ass time to get it done. I’d love to listen and hear what needs to happen, but if I’m being screamed at it’s not going to help me figure out WTF I can do. I have raised to white kids to be decent and honorable humans who have compassion and empathy and to judge people based on their actions, not race, religion, gender or who they love. What else can I do? I mean that.

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Skip Intro  Aug 11, 2015 • 4:24:14pm

re: #327 wrenchwench

As long as there are TV cameras in there!

And nobody dares ask him any questions.

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The Vicious Babushka  Aug 11, 2015 • 4:24:48pm

re: #323 ObserverArt

So this Trump gig is in Birch Run Michigan. What the heck is up there for Trump to be addressing the press?

It’s this YOOGE outlet mall!

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Skip Intro  Aug 11, 2015 • 4:25:29pm

re: #333 The Vicious Babushka

It’s this YOOGE outlet mall!

It’s not YOOGE if Trump didn’t build it.

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The Vicious Babushka  Aug 11, 2015 • 4:25:33pm

re: #326 No Depression

According to Wikipedia, it has the YOOGEST and CLASSIEST outlet mall in all the Midwest. That has to be it!

I thought Mall of America was the biggest.

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The Vicious Babushka  Aug 11, 2015 • 4:26:51pm

re: #329 Skip Intro

A plastic surgeon wouldn’t hurt either. Right now her face looks like it’s made out of wax.

That’s botox face

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Decatur Deb  Aug 11, 2015 • 4:26:58pm

re: #331 A Mom Anon

I have a question though, and I’m asking as a white suburban mom who has not always had an easy life, and not always lived in the suburbs either.

I feel like BLM is doing an overall good job of drawing attention to the issue of police brutality and injustice in black communities. This is needed badly. Protests are all well and good, and again needed, but my question is, then what? There has to be something past a protest movement for anything to change. It’s not “just” racism that’s at issue here. There’s wrestling the prison system away from private companies, reforms in how police are being trained to see communities as the enemy, poverty, shitty schools in minority neighborhoods, food deserts in poor areas, lack of opportunity, lack of access to proper health care, the drug war, and on and on. This isn’t just one thing, it’s many, many things. What does BLM propose to do to address these issues? Because IMVHO this is where allies and communities can come together to do the most good. Grabbing a mic and screaming at a mostly white crowd that this is their fault (in so many words) isn’t going to fix anything.

In order for shit to change, like it or not, it’s going to take more than just Black activists to get us there and it’s going to take a LONG ass time to get it done. I’d love to listen and hear what needs to happen, but if I’m being screamed at it’s not going to help me figure out WTF I can do. I have raised to white kids to be decent and honorable humans who have compassion and empathy and to judge people based on their actions, not race, religion, gender or who they love. What else can I do? I mean that.

As a loving mother you have to imagine the somewhat inexperienced young activists as your own children, and give them the attention you would give your own—like telling them to shut the fuck up when they’re being stupid.

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Sionainn  Aug 11, 2015 • 4:27:43pm

Trump taking questions.

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blueraven  Aug 11, 2015 • 4:28:23pm

China!

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#FergusonFireside  Aug 11, 2015 • 4:28:28pm

CHINA!!!!!!!

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Sionainn  Aug 11, 2015 • 4:28:43pm

Being asked if he thinks he’s sometimes gone over-the-top. He said no, he’s looking a the polls which means apparently he is doing the right thing.

Oh, and he can’t pronounced Nevada correctly. Dumbass.

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Skip Intro  Aug 11, 2015 • 4:28:58pm

re: #336 The Vicious Babushka

That’s botox face

I’ve seen corpses that look more alive than Carly. I can’t wait for the Halloween masks to come out.

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Nyet  Aug 11, 2015 • 4:30:13pm

Theocrat is a wimp term. He’s a theofascist, pure and simple.

Also, I remember the time when AFA was still considered a respectable org. It’s only relatively recently that SPLC classified it as a hate group.

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A Mom Anon  Aug 11, 2015 • 4:31:50pm

re: #337 Decatur Deb

I think some of this does come from genuine fear though. But the anger is somewhat misdirected, but again that is my opinion. I just don’t get what screaming at Bernie Sanders is going to accomplish. Go yell at Ted Cruz when you get that mic. I’ve met some of those insufferable liberal activists, and I’d like to smack them. But they really aren’t the problem in this set of issues.

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Nyet  Aug 11, 2015 • 4:33:24pm

I’m probably a party pooper and all, but let’s not judge any women by their appearance.

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Decatur Deb  Aug 11, 2015 • 4:34:17pm

re: #344 A Mom Anon

I think some of this does come from genuine fear though. But the anger is somewhat misdirected, but again that is my opinion. I just don’t get what screaming at Bernie Sanders is going to accomplish. Go yell at Ted Cruz when you get that mic. I’ve met some of those insufferable liberal activists, and I’d like to smack them. But they really aren’t the problem in this set of issues.

This is a splinter of a faction of an aspect of a minority movement. Don’t let it distract from the long, nasty frustrating slog that might possibly let us consolidate Obama’s gains.

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William Lewis  Aug 11, 2015 • 4:36:28pm

Oh, man, I got a baptist at NPR telling me the Jesus didn’t drink wine and that he didn’t really create wine a Cana. Those kind of people give me such a headache. At least he admits that their grape juice isn’t a sacrament (calls it a memorial instead).

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 11, 2015 • 4:39:37pm

re: #347 William Lewis

Oh, man, I got a baptist at NPR telling me the Jesus didn’t drink wine and that he didn’t really create wine a Cana. Those kind of people give me such a headache. At least he admits that their grape juice isn’t a sacrament (calls it a memorial instead).

I have fundies here in the backwoods who insist that the “wine” was unfermented grape juice.
I keep asking why doesn’t the Bible just say grape juice, and then point out that wine is not defined as unfermented grape juice.

Maybe they mean it was just fetal wine….

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BeachDem  Aug 11, 2015 • 4:39:55pm

re: #251 Mattand

God, I fucking hate this. I caught some asswipe “independent” saying this about Trump last week: that Trump’s popularity is proof that people are fed up with politics as usual.

Give me a fucking break. The only people that like Trump are the goddamn racist Confederate-flag waving mouthbreathing Tea Baggers who are so out of their frigging minds, loons like Ted Cruz and Ben Carson are too liberal for them.

And, once again, I’d like to thank MSNBC for dispelling the “Opposite of Fox News” horseshit. Because if MSNBC were the diametric opposite of Fox, Ali Vitali would be pointing what I just wrote.

Certainly explains why Trump’s biggest lead in state polls is in South bygod Carolina! (and that’s even with native son Lindsey getting a few points.)

Also, looking at the state polls, I think we need to credit Hillary’s ground game this time around as well—she’s up in the only SC Dem poll shown by 70 points

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Nyet  Aug 11, 2015 • 4:40:49pm

re: #347 William Lewis

It’s the same with Mormons.

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CuriousLurker  Aug 11, 2015 • 4:41:15pm

re: #347 William Lewis

Oh, man, I got a baptist at NPR telling me the Jesus didn’t drink wine and that he didn’t really create wine a Cana. Those kind of people give me such a headache. At least he admits that their grape juice isn’t a sacrament (calls it a memorial instead).

So then… it’s Jesus Memorial Juice? No offense intended, but something about that makes me want to giggle wildly.

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Decatur Deb  Aug 11, 2015 • 4:42:42pm

re: #347 William Lewis

Oh, man, I got a baptist at NPR telling me the Jesus didn’t drink wine and that he didn’t really create wine a Cana. Those kind of people give me such a headache. At least he admits that their grape juice isn’t a sacrament (calls it a memorial instead).

Tell them there was a lot of dancing at first century Jewish weddings. Ought to do it.

laydownlife.net

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kirkspencer  Aug 11, 2015 • 4:45:15pm

re: #347 William Lewis

Oh, man, I got a baptist at NPR telling me the Jesus didn’t drink wine and that he didn’t really create wine a Cana. Those kind of people give me such a headache. At least he admits that their grape juice isn’t a sacrament (calls it a memorial instead).

I tend to leave it alone unless they push. Then I tend to do things like ask how, if it’s grape juice, the “new wine in old skins” parable works.

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Nyet  Aug 11, 2015 • 5:07:51pm

re: #353 kirkspencer

I tend to leave it alone unless they push. Then I tend to do things like ask how, if it’s grape juice, the “new wine in old skins” parable works.

Like, they drank grape juice at Jewish weddings. Hey, it’s almost an antisemitic suggestion ;)

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Rocky-in-Connecticut  Aug 11, 2015 • 5:27:57pm

re: #4 The Vicious Babushka

You’re giving them too much credit.. Israel is not the “background” for their wacko medieval Armageddon ideas. Israel is to be the sacrificial lamb, front and center. It is to be the front lines of a religious war specifically meant to be centered around the idea of the extermination of Jews.

It is a fetish. As such, Jews and Israel in general are nothing but tools, as a mere means to an end. It is the very definition of de-humanization.

What’s worse is that a great many Jewish Conservative leaders inside Israel are well aware of the ideology behind the “backing” of American religious wackos. The sad fact is they are are all too willing to play along and accept the outside support in order to promote their own often violent agenda for Israel and the surrounding occupied territories as a whole. It is a very sick game all around- one that any rational religious person would avoid at any cost. Sadly, our modern Conservatives choose not to avoid, but to invent and promote for raw personal political gain.

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meteor  Aug 11, 2015 • 5:35:02pm

Notice that Cruz refers to non-evangelicals as “unbelievers,” as if they didn’t believe in God at all.

He sees himself as the leader by divine right of a fundamentalist fiefdom. Other people aren’t even fully people to him.


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