Donald Trump Threatens to Physically Fight “Black Lives Matter” Protesters

He’s gonna punch out any black women who try to grab the mic from him
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The most memorable moment from Donald Trump’s short press conference: he said Bernie Sanders was “weak” when he allowed #BlackLivesMatter protesters to take the microphone at his rally… and actually threatened to physically fight them if they tried to do the same thing to him.

The exact quote: “I don’t know if I’ll do the fighting myself or if other people will.”

This is what I tweeted right after hearing this amazing statement:

And this is what makes Trump popular with the right wing base; he’s an egomaniacal bully and a caveman, and he’s right up-front about it. The enraged goons who comment at right wing websites are going to love this statement.

Would you pay to see Donald Trump go one-on-one with #BlackLivesMatter?

UPDATE at 8/11/15 6:12:40 pm by Charles Johnson

A video clip:

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663 comments
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HappyWarrior  Aug 11, 2015 • 6:06:27pm

Donald’s never had to physically fight anyone in his life. He does it the old fashioned way. He pays other people to do so. What a little coward. How about you actually try listening to people rather than being a bullying chode Donny?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 11, 2015 • 6:07:41pm

Reposting from downstairs…I want to see him meet up with Abs of Doom and say that:

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teleskiguy  Aug 11, 2015 • 6:08:21pm
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Jenner7  Aug 11, 2015 • 6:10:39pm
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Blind Frog Belly White  Aug 11, 2015 • 6:10:52pm

re: #1 HappyWarrior

Donald’s never had to physically fight anyone in his life. He does it the old fashioned way. He pays other people to do so. What a little coward. How about you actually try listening to people rather than being a bullying chode Donny?

He’ll sic his foul-mouthed lawyer on them.

Seriously, though, Trump is the kid in 3rd grade who got bigger than the other kids and now bullies them for lunch money. His insults are all 3rd grade level - ‘Loser’, ‘Dummy’, etc, and always boil down to ‘you’re not as rich as me, so you don’t count’.

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lawhawk  Aug 11, 2015 • 6:11:44pm

Of course I’m going to say it. I’m Donald F’in Trump, beeyahtch! I’m yooge. You have no idea the mess you’ll get yourself into.

Ah, that’s suitably color coordinated to go with his fanboys and detractors alike.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 11, 2015 • 6:12:27pm

re: #5 Blind Frog Belly White

He’ll sic his foul-mouthed lawyer on them.

Seriously, though, Trump is the kid in 3rd grade who got bigger than the other kids and now bullies them for lunch money. His insults are all 3rd grade level - ‘Loser’, ‘Dummy’, etc, and always boil down to ‘you’re not as rich as me, so you don’t count’.

Yeah I just spent sometime with some upcoming high school freshmen(brother and his friends on a camping trip). Those guys are more mature when they disagree with people than Donald is. Donald apparently has never advanced past the third grade when it comes to dealing with other people. I guess that’s what happens when you’re a pampered fucking brat who is used to getting his way all the time.

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Sionainn  Aug 11, 2015 • 6:13:43pm

I would pay money to see him try to fight anyone trying to take the microphone away from him.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 11, 2015 • 6:15:54pm

Donald is like a really bad WWE storyline and most of them are really bad so that shows you how lame he is. Next we’ll hear that he’s going to team up with Hulk Hogan to beat Obama and The Rock.

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Belafon  Aug 11, 2015 • 6:17:45pm

re: #4 Jenner7

I’m not quite sure what they’re asking for.

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William Lewis  Aug 11, 2015 • 6:18:44pm

re: #5 Blind Frog Belly White

He’ll sic his foul-mouthed lawyer on them.

Seriously, though, Trump is the kid in 3rd grade who got bigger than the other kids and now bullies them for lunch money. His insults are all 3rd grade level - ‘Loser’, ‘Dummy’, etc, and always boil down to ‘you’re not as rich as me, so you don’t count’.

He reminds me of my son, with his emotional difficulties from his combination of Autism (recently they decided that, yes, he is on the spectrum), ADHD & Oppositional Defiant Disorder. He has a hard time relating to other people, his insults to them are similar and if someone tells him to do something he’s liable to kneejerk a “NO” even when 10 seconds later he’ll say “Why did I say that? I didn’t mean it.” Trump is like that but has never had to worry about being arrested at his school when he goes too far. Perhaps if he’d had the kind of residential therapy we’re trying to organize for my son he might be a decent man today but with the money level he’s always had access to? Nope, I don’t think so.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 11, 2015 • 6:19:21pm

re: #10 Belafon

I’m not quite sure what they’re asking for.

I’m still trying to figure out (A) what is an “anti-blackness current” and (B) why Hillary should take responsibility for whatever that is.

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FormerDirtDart  Aug 11, 2015 • 6:19:21pm

21st Century Journalism

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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Aug 11, 2015 • 6:20:58pm

re: #5 Blind Frog Belly White

Trump is the kid in 3rd grade who got bigger than the other kids

he’s unleashed the ID and now it’s swaggering around thumping its chest

seriously, there is a very large component of the american electorate - beaten down people that feel powerless, ridiculed, and ignored - that is, right now, having delirious orgasms over his tough talk, and that kind of stuff can carry him right to the presidency

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HappyWarrior  Aug 11, 2015 • 6:21:16pm

re: #11 William Lewis

He reminds me of my son, with his emotional difficulties from his combination of Autism (recently they decided that, yes, he is on the spectrum), ADHD & Oppositional Defiant Disorder. He has a hard time relating to other people, his insults to them are similar and if someone tells him to do something he’s liable to kneejerk a “NO” even when 10 seconds later he’ll say “Why did I say that? I didn’t mean it.” Trump is like that but has never had to worry about being arrested at his school when he goes too far. Perhaps if he’d had the kind of residential therapy we’re trying to organize for my son he might be a decent man today but with the money level he’s always had access to? Nope, I don’t think so.

I don’t think he (Trump) is on the spectrum. I think he’s just a spoiled brat who doesn’t know how to act. Your son seems to have a filter. I myself can relate to that being on the spectrum myself since i’ll sometimes lose my temper really bad and say stuff I shouldn’t have. I think Trump’s behavior is just a product of being told “You’re rich, Donald, you’re awesome, it’s okay to act like a jackass.” Not sure though. Interested in what some of the other folks of kids on the spectrum think.

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The Vicious Babushka  Aug 11, 2015 • 6:21:30pm
Would you pay to see Donald Trump go one-on-one with #BlackLivesMatter?

I’m sure Donald would put it on Trump TV PPV but I would rather watch it for free on YouTube.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 11, 2015 • 6:22:36pm

re: #13 FormerDirtDart

21st Century Journalism

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Riiiiiiiiiiight.

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Skip Intro  Aug 11, 2015 • 6:23:50pm

re: #16 The Vicious Babushka

I’m sure Donald would put it on Trump TV PPV but I would rather watch it for free on YouTube.

He needs to bring in the Drunk Palins for comedic support.

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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Aug 11, 2015 • 6:25:26pm

re: #14 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸

he’s unleashed the ID and now it’s swaggering around thumping its chest

simply put: this is hitler stuff

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Charles Johnson  Aug 11, 2015 • 6:25:56pm
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Blind Frog Belly White  Aug 11, 2015 • 6:26:12pm

re: #14 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸

he’s unleashed the ID and now it’s swaggering around thumping its chest

seriously, there is a very large component of the american electorate - beaten down people that feel powerless, ridiculed, and ignored - that is, right now, having delirious orgasms over his tough talk, and that kind of stuff can carry him right to the presidency

Yeah, about that - as Krugman points out today, the support for Trump is largely the Tea Party - older, affluent white people, mostly with more education than averaged. They FEEL powerless, but only because they don’t completely get their way.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 11, 2015 • 6:26:36pm
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teleskiguy  Aug 11, 2015 • 6:27:43pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 11, 2015 • 6:28:40pm

re: #20 Charles Johnson

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The Vicious Babushka  Aug 11, 2015 • 6:28:44pm

Trump said he’d have other people do the fighting for him, but if he had to he would.

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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Aug 11, 2015 • 6:29:07pm

re: #21 Blind Frog Belly White

Yeah, about that - as Krugman points out today, the support for Trump is largely the Tea Party - older, affluent white people, mostly with more education than averaged. They FEEL powerless, but only because they don’t completely get their way.

i think he is very good at stirring up the emotions of people who are very close to going out in roving gangs looking for ‘liberals’ to beat up

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Belafon  Aug 11, 2015 • 6:30:05pm

re: #25 The Vicious Babushka

It’s those others, who would volunteer themselves to fight any black person who showed up at a Trump rally, that would be really dangerous.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Aug 11, 2015 • 6:30:42pm

re: #26 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸

i think he is very good at stirring up the emotions of people who are very close to going out in roving gangs looking for ‘liberals’ to beat up

Once they’re done with the Early Bird Special at Denny’s….

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Charles Johnson  Aug 11, 2015 • 6:32:22pm
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Skip Intro  Aug 11, 2015 • 6:33:20pm

re: #29 Charles Johnson

Limbaugh’s been doing it for decades. They’re just emulating their idol.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 11, 2015 • 6:33:51pm

re: #29 Charles Johnson

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The thing is, they hear what they want to hear, not what was actually said.

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BeachDem  Aug 11, 2015 • 6:34:45pm

re: #21 Blind Frog Belly White

Yeah, about that - as Krugman points out today, the support for Trump is largely the Tea Party - older, affluent white people, mostly with more education than averaged. They FEEL powerless, but only because they don’t completely get their way.

Then I guess my brother DOES fit the demographic. Except that brother dearest doesn’t feel powerless—he just likes acting like an asshole.

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jaunte  Aug 11, 2015 • 6:35:23pm

re: #27 Belafon

It’s those others, who would volunteer themselves to fight any black person who showed up at a Trump rally, that would be really dangerous.

They’d have to have specially colored shirts, for self-identification.

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Bubblehead II  Aug 11, 2015 • 6:37:14pm

Trump actually fighting someone who challenged him? BwahaaaaHaaaaa.

BTW Steve littlegreenfootballs.com

Now I am out of here.

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goddamnedfrank  Aug 11, 2015 • 6:38:10pm

Trumped-Up Fears: Why the Republican Party shouldn’t worry about the Donald.

HAHAHAHA. Yes! Excellent work Slate *nudge nudge* the GOP has nothing to fear.

At the same time, Republicans shouldn’t worry too much about Trump’s effect on their presidential prospects. Yes, there are real dangers to Trump-mentum: The longer Trump stays in the game, the greater odds that voters will associate him with the Republican Party itself. In general, that’s a problem. When it comes to the specific case of Latino voters—an important part of any Republican election plan—it’s dangerous. Trump could become the “self-deportation” of the 2016 race: a concrete symbol of anti-immigrant and anti-Latino animus. And of course there’s the real (if small) risk that Trump holds his support, makes a third-party run, and dooms Republican White House ambitions.

We can’t predict if Trump will run for president as an independent, and it’s difficult to say how he’ll influence broad perceptions of the Republican Party. But if the 2012 election taught us anything, it’s that the shenanigans of the primary don’t necessarily influence the general election.

LOL, cool story.

Fact is that Romney was tremendously damaged by the protracted 2012 nomination process. The 47% video was shot on May 17th of 2012, twelve days before he reached the nomination threshold. He got pushed much farther to the right than he probably originally intended, and it helped destroy his candidacy. The GOP was heavily damaged by the primary anti-immigration rhetoric, the booing of the gay soldier at a debate, the anti abortion extremism and other numerous bigoted aggressions. The fact that they were able to barely keep the election within a 4 point popular vote margin by winning the white vote against a black incumbent during a lackluster recovery is a testament to how horribly they were hurt, not an indication that they weren’t.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Aug 11, 2015 • 6:39:29pm

re: #31 Backwoods_Sleuth

The thing is, they hear what they want to hear, not what was actually said.

There’s a scene in the first episode of Star Trek ever aired, “The Man Trap”, where the Salt Monster comes into the room with Kirk, McCoy, Dr. Crater, and Crewman Darnell (the very first Red Shirt!). Kirk sees an attractive, but mature woman in her 40s. McCoy sees the Nancy he knew, in her early 30s. Darnell sees a blonde, classic 1960s sexpot.

So maybe it’s like that.

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jaunte  Aug 11, 2015 • 6:42:26pm

re: #35 goddamnedfrank

“The longer Trump stays in the game, the greater odds that voters will associate him with the Republican Party itself.”

Shock!

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darthstar  Aug 11, 2015 • 6:44:43pm

Started working at my new job today…after a 150 day weekend, I will say it feels good to be back in an office…and I’m doing a lead role rather than management, so I’ll be a bit more hands on (which is fine) for about 30k less (which is also fine at the end of the day because I’ll make enough money anyway) and I won’t have to deal with politics of management (until they realize I should be in management and move me back up…but I’ll enjoy my time in the trenches anyway).

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austin_blue  Aug 11, 2015 • 6:47:01pm

re: #35 goddamnedfrank

Trumped-Up Fears: Why the Republican Party shouldn’t worry about the Donald.

HAHAHAHA. Yes! Excellent work Slate *nudge nudge* the GOP has nothing to fear.

LOL, cool story.

Fact is that Romney was tremendously damaged by the protracted 2012 nomination process. The 47% video was shot on May 17th of 2012, twelve days before he reached the nomination threshold. He got pushed much farther to the right than he probably originally intended, and it helped destroy his candidacy. The GOP was heavily damaged by the primary anti-immigration rhetoric, the booing of the gay soldier at a debate, the anti abortion extremism and other numerous bigoted aggressions. The fact that they were able to barely keep the election within a 4 point popular vote margin by winning the white vote is a testament to how horribly they were hurt, not an indication that they weren’t.

Excellent points. Also, Romney had some world class morons for pollsters and advisors. Nate predicted the results damn near dead solid perfect, but the Turd Blossom couldn’t believe that his boy Mitt was losing Ohio and stormed off the FOX set.

That was comedy gold.

I’m counting on The Donald™ to go long and deep and, if he doesn’t get his way, to go Indy. Adios, Rs, you just may have succeeded in Destroying The Brand by letting him call himself an R.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 11, 2015 • 6:49:29pm

niterz, lizardz!

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goddamnedfrank  Aug 11, 2015 • 6:49:57pm

re: #37 jaunte

Shock!

The one magical thing about his candidacy from the Tea Party / Social Conservative point of view is that he allows them to eat their cake and have it too. If he miraculoulsy does get the nomination they get to maintain the delusion for as long as they want that he’s their man. Then, the second he loses they get to revert to their position that he was never a real conservative. They’ll turn on him in an instant if he loses in a landslide, saying that he was always a cynical shapeshifting liberal, and not a true believer in their cause.

He’s the perfect candidate for them, in that he allows them to vent their spleen now and disown it later when the blowback arrives. They’ll all claim the party was duped, and against all logic and reason they’ll blame the same big business and establishment Republicans who are desperately trying to torpedo his chances.

They love him because his candidacy is constructed entirely around their near infinite capacity for cognitive dissonance.

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The Vicious Babushka  Aug 11, 2015 • 6:52:02pm

re: #41 goddamnedfrank

The one magical thing about his candidacy from the Tea Party / Social Conservative point of view is that he allows them to eat their cake and have it too. If he miraculoulsy does get the nomination they get to maintain the delusion for as long as they want that he’s their man, and the second he loses they get to revert to their position that he was never a real conservative. They’ll turn on him in an instant if he loses in a landslide, saying that he was always a cynical shapeshifting liberal, and not a true believer in their cause.

He’s the perfect candidate for them, in that he allows them to vent their spleen now and disown it later when the blowback arrives. They’ll all claim the party was duped, and against all logic and reason they’ll blame the same big business and establishment Republicans who are desperately trying to torpedo his chances.

They love him because his candidacy is constructed entirely around their near infinite capacity for cognitive dissonance.

There is already a conspiracy theory going around wingnuttia that Trump is a Clinton plant.

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jaunte  Aug 11, 2015 • 6:53:26pm

“I was always never for Trump, and vice versa.”

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teleskiguy  Aug 11, 2015 • 6:55:49pm
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goddamnedfrank  Aug 11, 2015 • 6:57:13pm

re: #41 goddamnedfrank

In a nutshell what I’m saying is that Trump is the favorite of people who subconsciously don’t want to win, because they don’t want the responsibility of actually having to govern. He’s perfect for them because he allows them to scream and yell with no risk of eventually having to do something concrete about everything they see as a problem but have no clue how to fix. He’s their intentionally disposable candidate.

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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Aug 11, 2015 • 6:58:21pm

re: #41 goddamnedfrank

The one magical thing about his candidacy from the Tea Party / Social Conservative point of view is that he allows them to eat their cake and have it too. If he miraculoulsy does get the nomination they get to maintain the delusion for as long as they want that he’s their man, and the second he loses they get to revert to their position that he was never a real conservative. They’ll turn on him in an instant if he loses in a landslide, saying that he was always a cynical shapeshifting liberal, and not a true believer in their cause.

He’s the perfect candidate for them, in that he allows them to vent their spleen now and disown it later when the blowback arrives. They’ll all claim the party was duped, and against all logic and reason they’ll blame the same big business and establishment Republicans who are desperately trying to torpedo his chances.

They love him because his candidacy is constructed entirely around their near infinite capacity for cognitive dissonance.

or on the other hand imagine a trump presidency:

wingnuts scream as he formulates a universal health insurance policy that is more integral than the patched together obamacare. government initiates the biggest public works project since the WPA as a gigantic wall that can never be finished is initiated in areas not yet walled over and thousands of border patrol are hired. employment soars but so does government debt

industrialists are furious as he carries out his plan to impose a 35% import tariff on goods built by factories that have been outsourced to mexico & etc. they have the rug pulled out from under their cheap labor practices by the mass deportation of over 11 million illegal aliens. prices go up and there are demonstrations and riots in hispanic neighborhoods

tensions flare all over the world as he pursues his Fuck You You’ll Do What I Say And Like It foreign policy and high tariff policy - pretty soon we are in big trouble on the international trade front as other countries retaliate for the threats and tariffs by imposing trade embargoes on us

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KerFuFFler  Aug 11, 2015 • 6:59:23pm

re: #29 Charles Johnson

I’ll never understand why conservatives try to deny things that everyone just heard. Do they think everyone’s as easily misled as they are?

I suspect they keep doing it because enough people fall for it. They don’t have to fool everybody, just enough people.

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austin_blue  Aug 11, 2015 • 6:59:53pm

re: #45 goddamnedfrank

In a nutshell what I’m saying is that Trump is the favorite of people who subconsciously don’t want to win, because they don’t want the responsibility of actually having to govern. He’s perfect for them because he allows them to scream and yell with no risk of eventually having to do something concrete about everything they see as a problem but have no clue how to fix. He’s their intentionally disposable candidate.

Like toilet paper.

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Jenner7  Aug 11, 2015 • 7:00:11pm
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Jenner7  Aug 11, 2015 • 7:03:18pm
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austin_blue  Aug 11, 2015 • 7:09:22pm

I’ve been watching this Oath Keeper thing in Ferguson with jaw on chest and a Scooby Doo rohhhr?!?!?!.

What would happen if a big ol’ phalanx of black or hispanic Oath Keepers showed up?

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lawhawk  Aug 11, 2015 • 7:10:11pm

Yeah, they really believe that. Except no one seems willing to press them on what precisely it is that is in collapse.

Could it be that centuries of white dominance of the polity and society is giving way to a more egalitarian and equal rights/justice regime envisioned by the Founders? Because it sure seems to be precisely that.

Other people getting rights that a certain group takes for granted (but doesn’t lose in the process BTW) is what is getting so many in the GOP bent completely out of shape.

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allegro  Aug 11, 2015 • 7:10:24pm

re: #51 austin_blue

I’ve been watching this Oath Keeper thing in Ferguson with jaw on chest and a Scooby Doo rohhhr?!?!?!.

What would happen if a big ol’ phalanx of black or hispanic Oath Keepers showed up?

Blood. Lots.

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TedStriker  Aug 11, 2015 • 7:12:25pm

re: #45 goddamnedfrank

In a nutshell what I’m saying is that Trump is the favorite of people who subconsciously don’t want to win, because they don’t want the responsibility of actually having to govern. He’s perfect for them because he allows them to scream and yell with no risk of eventually having to do something concrete about everything they see as a problem but have no clue how to fix. He’s their intentionally disposable candidate.

IOW, Trump uses the Teapublicans to stroke his planet-sized ego, they use him to say the things that the establishment GOPers are still too genteel or too afraid to say in public.

It’s a political circlejerk of massive proportions.

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darthstar  Aug 11, 2015 • 7:13:04pm

American Exceptionalism and Isolationism is BAA-AAACK!

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piratedan  Aug 11, 2015 • 7:13:47pm

re: #52 lawhawk

but if they close their eyes and click their heels together three times they hope to be home in Kansas, sans a gay pride rainbow

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TedStriker  Aug 11, 2015 • 7:13:48pm

re: #48 austin_blue

Like toilet paper.

Well, Trump is full of shit…

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austin_blue  Aug 11, 2015 • 7:25:21pm

re: #57 TedStriker

Well, Trump is full of shit…

Yeah, but he thinks he’s The Shit and everyone else is full of the lesser garden-variety.

He’s the Id in a room full of Egos. He says things that no one else will utter, overpowers them with his righteousness and force of will. And, so far, he seems to be getting away with it. The crash and burn predictions, like pretty much everything the Rs have been predicting for years (runaway inflation and health costs, currency devaluation, &c) keep Not Happening.

Popcorn, please!

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FormerDirtDart  Aug 11, 2015 • 7:30:22pm

Brand spanking new & shiny 501(c) (4) “grass roots” organization
wink, wink…nudge, nudge

A newly created group of veterans is voicing strong opposition to the controversial Iran nuclear deal, pointing out that Iran was linked to hundreds of U.S. troops’ deaths in Iraq and the new agreement could empower the anti-American regime.

The group, “Vets Against the Deal,” launched this week with a media blitz featuring a video of medically retired Army Staff Sgt. Robert Bartlett displaying his Purple Heart ribbon and talking about his injury from an Iranian-made bomb.

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Belafon  Aug 11, 2015 • 7:34:18pm

re: #59 FormerDirtDart

A few countries that have killed US troops:

Israel
England
France
Germany
Japan
Vietnam
Mexico

Interaction between countries is not like being on a flag football team.

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darthstar  Aug 11, 2015 • 7:37:04pm
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FormerDirtDart  Aug 11, 2015 • 7:41:01pm

re: #60 Belafon

A few countries that have killed US troops:

Israel
England
France
Germany
Japan
Vietnam
Mexico

Interaction between countries is not like being on a flag football team.

You forgot to mention the nation providing proxy warfare support in most direct comparison to Iran. The Soviet Union & China, who indirectly helped kill tens of thousands of American service members.
Yet, we negotiated with them

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jaunte  Aug 11, 2015 • 7:42:55pm

re: #52 lawhawk

“We have a country that’s in collapse.”

Trump probably isn’t worried about Navaho water sources.

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piratedan  Aug 11, 2015 • 7:43:15pm

re: #62 FormerDirtDart

and how many troops were killed in Iraqi freedom from weapons we sold to Saddam?

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meteor  Aug 11, 2015 • 7:44:45pm

What is this, junior high?

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#FergusonFireside  Aug 11, 2015 • 7:50:01pm

re: #51 austin_blue

I’ve been watching this Oath Keeper thing in Ferguson with jaw on chest and a Scooby Doo rohhhr?!?!?!.

What would happen if a big ol’ phalanx of black or hispanic Oath Keepers showed up?

The police in Ferguson/STL etc. are racist to the core. We know what side they’re on.

I’m concerned about the 2 main protesters (See Jenner’s post above) who were picked up & taken in today. Appears they were just assisting the ones arrested last night at the freeway shut down to get out of jail. The were just snatched off the street.

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Mattand  Aug 11, 2015 • 7:50:11pm

re: #13 FormerDirtDart

21st Century Journalism

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Jesus, isn’t Cooper supposed to be one of the smart ones over there?

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Viscous Obama  Aug 11, 2015 • 7:50:24pm

@Carl_C_Icahn
Chairman of Icahn Enterprises L.P.; etc., etc. Some people get rich studying artificial intelligence. Me, I make money studying natural stupidity.

Birds of a feather…

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FormerDirtDart  Aug 11, 2015 • 7:51:29pm

re: #64 piratedan

and how many troops were killed in Iraqi freedom from weapons we sold to Saddam?

Honestly, probably not a whole lot, if any.
The US had stopped selling weapons to Saddam’s Iraq long before Desert Storm. Let alone Iraqi Freedom over a decade later

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#FergusonFireside  Aug 11, 2015 • 7:52:25pm

re: #59 FormerDirtDart

Brand spanking new & shiny 501(c) (4) “grass roots” organization
wink, wink…nudge, nudge

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Yeah, but the brass put out a statement for it.

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Belafon  Aug 11, 2015 • 7:52:26pm

re: #68 Viscous Obama

Me, I make money studying natural stupidity.

I might actually trust this man.

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Dark_Falcon  Aug 11, 2015 • 7:56:39pm

re: #39 austin_blue

Adios, Rs, you just may have succeeded in Destroying The Brand by letting him call himself an R.

This isn’t the UK, Austin. There’s no procedure in place by which either the Republican or Democratic parties can have someone “read out of the party” as the British Labor Party did to the odious George Galloway.

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austin_blue  Aug 11, 2015 • 8:00:08pm

re: #66 #FergusonFireside

The police in Ferguson/STL etc. are racist to the core. We know what side they’re on.

I’m concerned about the 2 main protesters (See Jenner’s post above) who were picked up & taken in today. Appears they were just assisting the ones arrested last night at the freeway shut down to get out of jail. The were just snatched off the street.

I wouldn’t be *worried* per se, they just iced them for twenty four hours, hoping that the show will fade away. It’s certainly reprehensible, but cops are cops, and nuance is beyond them. “It’s for their own good.”

They’ll sue, and they’ll win. Everybody’s happy, right?

An excellent OpEd form Yesterday’s NYT:

nytimes.com

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#FergusonFireside  Aug 11, 2015 • 8:01:08pm

re: #72 Dark_Falcon

This isn’t the UK, Austin. There’s no procedure in place by which either the Republican or Democratic parties can have someone “read out of the party” as the British Labor Party did to the odious George Galloway.

What is your take D_F?? Curious, I consider you mainstream, not cuckoo GOP.

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retired cynic  Aug 11, 2015 • 8:02:09pm

re: #71 Belafon

NO!

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Dark_Falcon  Aug 11, 2015 • 8:03:59pm

re: #69 FormerDirtDart

Honestly, probably not a whole lot, if any.
The US had stopped selling weapons to Saddam’s Iraq long before Desert Storm. Let alone Iraqi Freedom over a decade later

This. The vast majority of Saddam Hussein’s weapons were made by the former Soviet Union or by China. The only non-Soviet artillery Iraq had prior to 2003 was what it had captured from Iran in 1980-1988 and the G-5 howitzers Iraq bought from South Africa. It is true the CIA played a role in gaining for South Africa the design assistance of Gerald Bull om the G5, but the US played no role in the sale of G5 to Iraq (the sale being simply about South Africa gaining hard currency).

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Belafon  Aug 11, 2015 • 8:04:25pm

re: #75 retired cynic

NO!

Just think if we could convert the stupidity in this country into energy.

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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Aug 11, 2015 • 8:05:16pm

re: #72 Dark_Falcon

This isn’t the UK, Austin. There’s no procedure in place by which either the Republican or Democratic parties can have someone “read out of the party” as the British Labor Party did to the odious George Galloway.

Gop chairman defends Fox ,Megan Kelly and approves anti Trump moderator for next debate

well, the venerable old republican party is splitting in two

which side are you on?

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retired cynic  Aug 11, 2015 • 8:05:23pm

re: #77 Belafon

That would be great, but I wouldn’t trust Carl Icahn to be anything but totally devoted to what made him money, and hang everyone else.

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#FergusonFireside  Aug 11, 2015 • 8:05:40pm

re: #73 austin_blue

I wouldn’t be *worried* per se, they just iced them for twenty four hours, hoping that the show will fade away. It’s certainly reprehensible, but cops are cops, and nuance is beyond them. “It’s for their own good.”

They’ll sue, and they’ll win. Everybody’s happy, right?

An excellent OpEd form Yesterday’s NYT:

nytimes.com

Thank you for posting that, missed it. Charles Blow is great & nailed it.

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austin_blue  Aug 11, 2015 • 8:05:46pm

re: #73 austin_blue

I wouldn’t be *worried* per se, they just iced them for twenty four hours, hoping that the show will fade away. It’s certainly reprehensible, but cops are cops, and nuance is beyond them. “It’s for their own good.”

They’ll sue, and they’ll win. Everybody’s happy, right?

An excellent OpEd form Yesterday’s NYT:

nytimes.com

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Dark_Falcon  Aug 11, 2015 • 8:06:29pm

re: #78 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸

Gop chairman defends Fox ,Megan Kelly and approves anti Trump moderator for next debate

well, the venerable old republican party is splitting in two

which side are you on?

Link, please. I hadn’t had time to read the whole thread.

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Dark_Falcon  Aug 11, 2015 • 8:07:07pm

re: #78 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸

Gop chairman defends Fox ,Megan Kelly and approves anti Trump moderator for next debate

well, the venerable old republican party is splitting in two

which side are you on?

I’m on the side Trump’s not on.

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darthstar  Aug 11, 2015 • 8:07:33pm

re: #76 Dark_Falcon

But we did sell him the gas he used on the Kurds.

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teleskiguy  Aug 11, 2015 • 8:07:35pm

re: #83 Dark_Falcon

I’m on the side Trump’s not on.

What if Trump gets the nomination?

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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Aug 11, 2015 • 8:08:00pm

re: #82 Dark_Falcon

Link, please. I hadn’t had time to read the whole thread.

thegatewaypundit.com

freerepublic.com

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#FergusonFireside  Aug 11, 2015 • 8:08:04pm

re: #79 retired cynic

That would be great, but I wouldn’t trust Carl Icahn to be anything but totally devoted to what made him money, and hang everyone else.

WTF is Germany, the UK, even fucking China thinking about this rhetoric??

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palomino  Aug 11, 2015 • 8:08:52pm

re: #72 Dark_Falcon

This isn’t the UK, Austin. There’s no procedure in place by which either the Republican or Democratic parties can have someone “read out of the party” as the British Labor Party did to the odious George Galloway.

But the GOP showed virtually no spine by not denouncing Trump until he became a threat by leading (with large margins) every poll in the last 6 weeks. In other words, they were content to ride his crazy train. And afraid to piss off the xenophobes in the base. Remember, Trump shot to the top after his infamous “some are good people, the rest rapists/murderers” speech. This is no accident; the hatred of non-white immigrants defines a significant chunk of your party. Just look at Coulter’s latest bestseller and all the talking heads on radio and Fox praising her outright vicious nativism.

True, we’re not the UK, but the GOP could have taken affirmative action to keep the lid on Trump from the start. Instead, they unleashed a dragon with no proactive thought of how to contain it.

Imagine a hostile sexist racist second-rate celebrity with no political experience jumping to the top of the pack in the Democratic Party. You can’t because it couldn’t happen. That’s the current difference between the sane party and your party.

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BeachDem  Aug 11, 2015 • 8:09:31pm

re: #42 The Vicious Babushka

There is already a conspiracy theory going around wingnuttia that Trump is a Clinton plant.

I often wonder where we’d be—what would be happening, if Trump had decided to run as a Democrat?

As he is a total shapeshifter and as he hasn’t really presented any kind of policies, he could have played up the East Coast, “I’ve supported liberals” crap. I wonder how we would have handled it.

My feeling is we would have kicked him to the curb from day 1, pointing out loudly what an asshole he is, and how full of shit he is, but then I think, we Dems can sometimes be a little bit slow on the draw, and would he have been hard charging before anybody put the brakes on him.

I’m truly glad he’s the Republicans’ problem!

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Dark_Falcon  Aug 11, 2015 • 8:09:42pm

re: #85 teleskiguy

What if Trump gets the nomination?

Then I would not vote for president. I’d still vote for Mark Kirk for Senate and for the local offices, though.

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makeitstop  Aug 11, 2015 • 8:10:12pm

Sorry for the OT, but Roger Corman.

1994’s unreleased Fantastic Four movie is streaming online (for now)

Looks like mounds of cheesy goodness.

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darthstar  Aug 11, 2015 • 8:10:16pm

re: #85 teleskiguy

What if Trump gets the nomination?

Well, party before country, of course.

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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Aug 11, 2015 • 8:12:07pm

re: #83 Dark_Falcon

I’m on the side Trump’s not on.

i calculate the trump percentage of the gop at 40 to 55% of the party, and they arent the type of people who accept reality when it means they lose

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Dark_Falcon  Aug 11, 2015 • 8:12:17pm

re: #84 darthstar

But we did sell him the gas he used on the Kurds.

No, we sold him some of the equipment he used to make the gas. Saddam also bought some of the equipment and the chemicals from what was then West Germany. Iraq produced the gas shells and rockets itself, to designs from the Soviet Union.

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Viscous Obama  Aug 11, 2015 • 8:12:17pm

re: #85 teleskiguy

What if Trump gets the nomination?

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darthstar  Aug 11, 2015 • 8:12:48pm

re: #90 Dark_Falcon

Then I would not vote for president. I’d still vote for Mark Kirk for Senate and for the local offices, though.

You have to choose. You can’t just cry ‘Safety!’ and get a pass. You support the party platform, and if Trump is the nominee, he will be largely guided by that platform.

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#FergusonFireside  Aug 11, 2015 • 8:12:53pm

re: #89 BeachDem

I often wonder where we’d be—what would be happening, if Trump had decided to run as a Democrat?

As he is a total shapeshifter and as he hasn’t really presented any kind of policies, he could have played up the East Coast, “I’ve supported liberals” crap. I wonder how we would have handled it.

My feeling is we would have kicked him to the curb from day 1, pointing out loudly what an asshole he is, and how full of shit he is, but then I think, we Dems can sometimes be a little bit slow on the draw, and would he have been hard charging before anybody put the brakes on him.

I’m truly glad he’s the Republicans’ problem!

Exactly. We could be happy riding his popularity train. My dog, I think he is crazy.

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palomino  Aug 11, 2015 • 8:13:15pm

re: #76 Dark_Falcon

This. The vast majority of Saddam Hussein’s weapons were made by the former Soviet Union or by China. The only non-Soviet artillery Iraq had prior to 2003 was what it had captured from Iran in 1980-1988 and the G-5 howitzers Iraq bought from South Africa. It is true the CIA played a role in gaining for South Africa the design assistance of Gerald Bull om the G5, but the US played no role in the sale of G5 to Iraq (the sale being simply about South Africa gaining hard currency).

Yes, keep telling yourself that Cheney, Rumsfeld, et al. have clean hands, that it was all someone else’s fault that Saddam was enabled and emboldened back in the 80s.

Your attitude is almost cute in the naive childish way that fanboys always find excuses when their fave celebs screw up.

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teleskiguy  Aug 11, 2015 • 8:15:36pm

re: #90 Dark_Falcon

C’mon! Doesn’t America need to be made great again?

What about your friends and family? I have a sneaking suspicion that they’d vote Trump if it came down to it.

Dark_Falcon, I love and hate the way you do or do not see the writing on the walls. The political party you affiliate with are a bunch of reactionary whack jobs.

Who wants to start a pool of when Dark_Falcon finally renounces the Republican Party?

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#FergusonFireside  Aug 11, 2015 • 8:15:58pm

re: #90 Dark_Falcon

Then I would not vote for president. I’d still vote for Mark Kirk for Senate and for the local offices, though.

OK, I take this as a pretty good bet that somehow, some way he won’t get the nomination. Then he’ll run as an indy & sabotage it all. Damn what problem he is.

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Dark_Falcon  Aug 11, 2015 • 8:15:59pm

re: #98 palomino

Yes, keep telling yourself that Cheney, Rumsfeld, et al. have clean hands, that it was all someone else’s fault that Saddam was enabled and emboldened back in the 80s.

Your attitude is almost cute in the naive childish way that fanboys always find excuses when their fave celebs screw up.

I didn’t say they had “clean hands”. I’m saying that the weapons used against the US military in 1991 and then in 2003-2011 were not made in America nor did we sell them to Iraq.

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Dark_Falcon  Aug 11, 2015 • 8:17:41pm

re: #96 darthstar

You have to choose. You can’t just cry ‘Safety!’ and get a pass. You support the party platform, and if Trump is the nominee, he will be largely guided by that platform.

HA! Donald Trump would be guided only by his ego and his ambition. No party platform would mean much to him.

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#FergusonFireside  Aug 11, 2015 • 8:18:15pm

Ya’ll, Donald Trump may have created a common political ground with the Falcon. Embrace it & enjoy it.

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goddamnedfrank  Aug 11, 2015 • 8:19:34pm

re: #100 #FergusonFireside

OK, I take this as a pretty good bet that somehow, some way he won’t get the nomination. Then he’ll run as an indy & sabotage it all. Damn what problem he is.

He’s exactly what the GOP deserves.

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palomino  Aug 11, 2015 • 8:19:55pm

re: #101 Dark_Falcon

I didn’t say they had “clean hands”. I’m saying that the weapons used against the US military in 1991 and then in 2003-2011 were not made in America nor did we sell them to Iraq.

Sure, but it’s not that simple. We were certainly one of the participants who made bad decisions that helped Saddam. So let’s stop waving the flag on this one and admit that we screwed up.

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palomino  Aug 11, 2015 • 8:21:29pm

re: #102 Dark_Falcon

HA! Donald Trump would be guided only by his ego and his ambition. No party platform would mean much to him.

Of course it would. He’s already changed his positions (a la Romney and McCain) in order to appear consistently conservative enough to be a viable GOP candidate. Abortion and gay rights are the first two that come to mind. There are quite a few others, as you know.

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blueraven  Aug 11, 2015 • 8:22:48pm

So Hillary has asked her staff to turn over private server to DOJ.

politico.com

Will it stop all the madness about her emails? LOL …what am I saying!

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Higgs Boson's Mate  Aug 11, 2015 • 8:25:46pm

re: #107 blueraven

So Hillary has asked her staff to turn over private server to DOJ.

politico.com

Will it stop all the madness about her emails? LOL …what am I saying!

“Clinton cruel to wait staff: hands her server over to DOJ”

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#FergusonFireside  Aug 11, 2015 • 8:27:30pm

re: #104 goddamnedfrank

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He’s exactly what the GOP deserves.

He scares the shit out of me. I watched the speech. He said nothing but mememememememe and is fucking crazy. I have so little faith in the intelligence of America.

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jaunte  Aug 11, 2015 • 8:27:36pm

re: #107 blueraven

I was sort of hoping Trey Gowdy would go investigate her server closet.

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freetoken  Aug 11, 2015 • 8:34:06pm

re: #109 #FergusonFireside

He scares the shit out of me. I watched the speech. He said nothing but mememememememe and is fucking crazy. I have so little faith in the intelligence of America.

Welcome to reality TV.

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freetoken  Aug 11, 2015 • 8:34:45pm

Remember, this is the same America that made the Duggars, the Duck clan, and Honey Boo Boo into superstars.

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Dark_Falcon  Aug 11, 2015 • 8:35:48pm

re: #105 palomino

Sure, but it’s not that simple. We were certainly one of the participants who made bad decisions that helped Saddam. So let’s stop waving the flag on this one and admit that we screwed up.

I wasn’t waving the flag, I was providing additional information to support a point made by FormerDirtDart, who was responding to a question from piratedan. Heck I even mentioned the CIA’s role in the design of the G5, even though it wasn’t relevant to the sale of the howitzer to Iraq, just to avoid the appearance of whitewashing US actions.

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retired cynic  Aug 11, 2015 • 8:35:51pm

re: #112 freetoken

But what percentage of the voting public consistently watched and supported those shows? I am proud to say I never watched one of them!

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freetoken  Aug 11, 2015 • 8:36:43pm

re: #63 jaunte

“We have a country that’s in collapse.”

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Trump probably isn’t worried about Navaho water sources.

Trump will proclaim that we have to take back our country from the Navajo.

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freetoken  Aug 11, 2015 • 8:37:17pm

re: #114 retired cynic

Clearly you are an urban elitist and not a real American.

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darthstar  Aug 11, 2015 • 8:37:50pm
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darthstar  Aug 11, 2015 • 8:38:42pm

re: #117 darthstar

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darthstar  Aug 11, 2015 • 8:40:29pm

Vice President Garey Busey
Vice President James Woods
Vice President Snooki

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#FergusonFireside  Aug 11, 2015 • 8:40:48pm

re: #111 freetoken

Welcome to reality TV.

Cato the Elder is vindicated.

Although he was bitching about Obama. This is the real deal.

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retired cynic  Aug 11, 2015 • 8:41:22pm

re: #116 freetoken

Well. I have nearly always lived in a red area of a blue state, and nearly always out in the boonies. Definitely fly-over country! But by most standards on the far right, probably not a “reel ‘murcan.”

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#FergusonFireside  Aug 11, 2015 • 8:42:59pm

re: #112 freetoken

Remember, this is the same America that made the Duggars, the Duck clan, and Honey Boo Boo into superstars.

That is why I have fear. The people who have never voted may just do that.

Trump WINS, we’re voting for the WINNER. Like dancing with the stars.

Oh to be the NSA listening to Merkel et al right now.

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#FergusonFireside  Aug 11, 2015 • 8:44:35pm

re: #117 darthstar

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I’m curious. Who is Trump actually friends with.

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blueraven  Aug 11, 2015 • 8:46:16pm

re: #123 #FergusonFireside

I’m curious. Who is Trump actually friends with.

Amarosa

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Dark_Falcon  Aug 11, 2015 • 8:48:39pm

re: #118 darthstar

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No, too many people wouldn’t like who Stephen’s daughter associates with.

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Viscous Obama  Aug 11, 2015 • 8:48:45pm
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#FergusonFireside  Aug 11, 2015 • 8:48:53pm

re: #124 blueraven

Amarosa

Omarosa. She said he’s extremely formidable. But I’m trying to find her melt down on his ass from years ago. Gave up, because why.

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Shiplord Kirel  Aug 11, 2015 • 8:49:22pm

I see that this famous Bob Hope line from The Ghost Breakers (1940) is making the wingnut rounds again.
…

I happen to know that my great uncle Sam Rayburn, “Mr. Democrat” and Speaker of the House at the time, got a real kick out of this line and was very fond of Bob Hope.
FDR’s Republican opponent that year was Wendell Wilkie. Like Harold Stassen or the 1936 loser, Alf Landon, he was another great Republican statesman who is almost forgotten today and who would be unrecognizable to the present day GOP. He became an ally of the Roosevelt administration after his electoral defeat, traveled all over the world as FDR’s personal representative during World War II, and wrote a remarkable book, One World. This recounted his travels, both before and after 1940, and took a position advocating what would now be called one world government. He was also an ardent and sometimes daring civil rights activist. Unlike Stassen, who lived into the present century, or Landon, who lived to be 101, Wilkie died suddenly at the peak of his career in 1944. He was 52.

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Viscous Obama  Aug 11, 2015 • 8:49:24pm

Chafee is in Bill the Cat territory

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#FergusonFireside  Aug 11, 2015 • 8:50:03pm

re: #125 Dark_Falcon

No, too many people wouldn’t like who Stephen’s daughter associates with.

Super Christian dude with rebel out of control daughter. Fits, actually.

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WhatEVs  Aug 11, 2015 • 8:50:28pm

re: #122 #FergusonFireside

That is why I have fear. The people who have never voted may just do that.

Trump WINS, we’re voting for the WINNER. Like dancing with the stars.

Oh to be the NSA listening to Merkel et al right now.

That’s what I’ve been saying from the start. Thankfully, they can’t call in their votes. But if this becomes a “personality” contest (as all reality shows are), we’re in deep shit.

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teleskiguy  Aug 11, 2015 • 8:51:38pm

CAMACHO 2016

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retired cynic  Aug 11, 2015 • 8:51:49pm

re: #128 Shiplord Kirel

I admire your great uncle! My father got a chance to drive Bob Hope once in Europe in WW II, and adored him.

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Lidane  Aug 11, 2015 • 8:52:11pm

That sound you hear is RWNJs going ‘splodey:

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#FergusonFireside  Aug 11, 2015 • 8:56:03pm

I had the most magnificent chilled corn soup at this restaurant in Portland. We went for dinner & ordered everything & I mean everything Shared meal, it was unforgettable.

I’m trying to recreate it now. I’m on my 4th blender run.

imperialpdx.com

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teleskiguy  Aug 11, 2015 • 8:56:47pm

re: #128 Shiplord Kirel

Dang dude! That dude was your great uncle?

Samuel Taliaferro “Sam” Rayburn (January 6, 1882 - November 16, 1961) was a Democratic lawmaker from Bonham, Texas, who served as the Speaker of the U.S. House of Representatives for 17 years, the longest tenure in U.S. history. He is one of six Speakers to serve more than one non-consecutive term, and the only Democrat to do so. Along with Henry Clay, he is one of only two to serve three different terms as Speaker.

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Dark_Falcon  Aug 11, 2015 • 8:57:56pm

re: #130 #FergusonFireside

Super Christian dude with rebel out of control daughter. Fits, actually.

With the added bonus that Hailey’s friend and fellow model is Caitlyn Jenner’s daughter Kendall. The bonus is added to by the fact that Caitlyn Jenner remains a better conservative and better example of a self-starter than Donald Trump will even be.

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makeitstop  Aug 11, 2015 • 8:58:20pm

re: #134 Lidane

That sound you hear is RWNJs going ‘splodey:

Trump Defends Planned Parenthood, Responds to GOP Critics on Hannity

Okay, he’s just fucking with everybody now.

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teleskiguy  Aug 11, 2015 • 9:00:35pm

FWIW, this dude is my great-great-great-great (I forget how many “greats” I’m supposed to use) grandfather.

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Shiplord Kirel  Aug 11, 2015 • 9:06:32pm

re: #136 teleskiguy

Dang dude! That dude was your great uncle?

Sure was. I was 12 when he died. We were out of the country quite a bit so I wasn’t around him a lot but I did know him. He loved children but never had any of his own. My mother had a wonderful photo of herself, aged 8, with my grandparents, Uncle Sam, and FDR and Eleanor Roosevelt in the White House in 1935.
When I was really little, 4 or 5, I conflated the national symbol Uncle Sam with my Uncle Sam (Rayburn), though they looked nothing alike.

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teleskiguy  Aug 11, 2015 • 9:07:48pm

re: #140 Shiplord Kirel

Good stuff. Thanks for sharing!

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Joe Bacon  Aug 11, 2015 • 9:14:26pm

re: #91 makeitstop

Sorry for the OT, but Roger Corman.

1994’s unreleased Fantastic Four movie is streaming online (for now)

Looks like mounds of cheesy goodness.

Oh you’re absolutely right. But Corman’s Fantastic 4 is better than any of those other movies!

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Joe Bacon  Aug 11, 2015 • 9:16:45pm

re: #117 darthstar

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Holy crap—Vice President Cruz…

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teleskiguy  Aug 11, 2015 • 9:20:05pm

I’m on my second listen of “Soup” of the day. Blind Melon were in a category all their own before Shannon died.

…

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plansbandc  Aug 11, 2015 • 9:22:43pm

re: #144 teleskiguy

Great band. Sad.

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Kid A  Aug 11, 2015 • 9:23:15pm

re: #144 teleskiguy

Absolutely underrated, and I’ve been saying it for years.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 11, 2015 • 9:27:39pm

Man you guys with famous relations. I always thought that was cool. I got no one that I know of. Just simple farmers in the old country and no one famous here. I mean we’ve had some interesting connections. Dad’s Dad being a frat brother of Gene Kelly, Dad’s Mom’s Dad apparently being friend with Honus Wagner, and my maternal grandmother’s father being from the same town in Slovakia as one of the Iwo Jima flagraisers and he and his family were part of the congregation. I had heard growing up that Mike Strank was a distant relative of ours but I don’t know how true it is. Slovak ancestral research isn’t exactly easy.

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austin_blue  Aug 11, 2015 • 9:27:52pm

re: #143 Joe Bacon

Holy crap—Vice President Cruz…

We Texans know the man is a grifter. And grifters gotta grift. You would like to think that Cruz has positions based on the “courage of his convictions”, but you are looking at it backwards.

He has no convictions, and his positions are based on which way the wind is blowing. He has so pissed off his colleagues in the Senate that if he put up a resolution celebrating mom, apple pie, and the little baby Jeebuz, it wouldn’t get a single co-sponsor.

And I’m off to the land of Somnos.

Good night, dear Lizards, sweet scaly dreams.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 11, 2015 • 9:30:06pm

re: #128 Shiplord Kirel

I see that this famous Bob Hope line from The Ghost Breakers (1940) is making the wingnut rounds again.
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. Like Harold Stassen or the 1936 loser, Alf Landon, he was another great Republican statesman who is almost forgotten today and who would be unrecognizable to the present day GOP. He became an ally of the Roosevelt administration after his electoral defeat, traveled all over the world as FDR’s personal representative during World War II, and wrote a remarkable book, One World. This recounted his travels, both before and after 1940, and took a position advocating what would now be called one world government. He was also an ardent and sometimes daring civil rights activist. Unlike Stassen, who lived into the present century, or Landon, who lived to be 101, Wilkie died suddenly at the peak of his career in 1944. He was 52.

Sam was a question on jeopardy tonight, I knew it and Arthur Chu didn’t. I agree with you about Wilkie. He was an admirable guy. It’s sad he died so young and quite suddenly. Perhaps if he had lived the Republicans would have turned out differently. Made me ill to see Zell Miller using his memory to attack fellow Democrats in 2004 when A) the war on terror and war in Iraq weren’t anything like WWII and B) Democrats were in fact pretty supportive of Bush’s foreign policy, a lot more than any Republicans were of Clinton and now Obama’s FP.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 11, 2015 • 9:31:09pm

re: #148 austin_blue

We Texans know the man is a grifter. And grifters gotta grift. You would like to think that Cruz has positions based on the “courage of his convictions”, but you are looking at it backwards.

He has no convictions, and his positions are based on which way the wind is blowing. He has so pissed off his colleagues in the Senate that if he put up a resolution celebrating mom, apple pie, and the little baby Jeebuz, it wouldn’t get a single co-sponsor.

And I’m off to the land of Somnos.

Good night, dear Lizards, sweet scaly dreams.

It’s my observation of Cruz that he’s a huge opportunist. He just seems to go out of his way to alienate people so he can get the prize for most beloved by the TP crowd. Anyhow, have a good night.

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Csarneson  Aug 11, 2015 • 9:32:32pm

It pains me to say this but I actually agree with the Donald on this. The BLM people have been behaving like petulant children the past week. I support their cause but their behavior has turned me off. Dr. King would never approve of these tactics and they are really hurting themselves in my opinion.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 11, 2015 • 9:35:29pm

If we’re on the subject of past Republicans that I admire, I’d suggest LaGuardia be added. Really interesting guy. He was New York’s first mayor of Italian descent but his background was far from a typical Italian-American New Yorker: Practicing Episcopalian, grew up in Arizona, his mother was Jewish, and I think I read his father was an atheist or some kind of skeptic. Real interesting guy. Strong supporter of the labor movement, Jewish refugees fleeing Nazi Germany before most of the country knew what the Nazis were, and to go along with that an opponent of fascism and Nazism. He also was really tiny on a funny note. I think I read hat he was just above 5’0 tall.

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Dark_Falcon  Aug 11, 2015 • 9:35:52pm

re: #151 Csarneson

Heck of a first comment there. Mind introducin’ yourself to th’ group?

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#FergusonFireside  Aug 11, 2015 • 9:41:15pm

re: #151 Csarneson

It pains me to say this but I actually agree with the Donald on this. The BLM people have been behaving like petulant children the past week. I support their cause but their behavior has turned me off. Dr. King would never approve of these tactics and they are really hurting themselves in my opinion.

Bullshit. Let me give you another angle. Everyone is trying to make these people MLK like. They are young and they are watching their brothers die DAILY. There is absolutely no correct way to do this.

We, who have stood by & watched this all unfold all of our lives have absolutely no say. We must deal with it & support it.

Remember, the exact same sentiment you stated was made against MLK.

Respectable Negro & all that.

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teleskiguy  Aug 11, 2015 • 9:41:26pm

re: #146 Kid A

Absolutely underrated, and I’ve been saying it for years.

I have but one upding to give…

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#FergusonFireside  Aug 11, 2015 • 9:42:30pm

re: #151 Csarneson

I’m responding in peace, I am seeing this sentiment.

Be good, don’t protest, don’t shake it up. Oh holy hell, my freeway is blocked!

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William Lewis  Aug 11, 2015 • 9:43:58pm

re: #151 Csarneson

I’d simply suggest that the sound you heard was the point of BLM going over your head at roughly Mach 2.

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teleskiguy  Aug 11, 2015 • 9:44:23pm

Hey wlewisiii, you don’t like Blind Melon? A curious down-ding.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 11, 2015 • 9:45:14pm

re: #154 #FergusonFireside

Bullshit. Let me give you another angle. Everyone is trying to make these people MLK like. They are young and they are watching their brothers die DAILY. There is absolutely no correct way to do this.

We, who have stood by & watched this all unfold all of our lives have absolutely no say. We must deal with it & support it.

Remember, the exact same sentiment you stated was made against MLK.

Respectable Negro & all that.

I said it earlier but MLK was called divisive and polarizing the same way the BLM activists and people like Deray and other modern civil rights activists are today. You have people who are frustrated for the reasons you have so well said and that politicians by and large aren’t listening to them. Either they try to hide behind “All lives matter” like O’Malley did, ignore it all together, or in this case want a physical confrontation. Honestly, I see why people are so angry. The people who killed Michael Brown, Eric Garner, Tamir Rice, and man there are so many others that aren’t even indicted.

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William Lewis  Aug 11, 2015 • 9:47:41pm

re: #158 teleskiguy

Hey wlewisiii, you don’t like Blind Melon? A curious down-ding.

Accidentally hit on my phone. They were interesting and I regret his death as well.

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teleskiguy  Aug 11, 2015 • 9:49:26pm

re: #160 William Lewis

Accidentally hit on my phone.

Glowing Rectangle Error Strikes Again!

Those blasted glowing rectangles!

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Charles Johnson  Aug 11, 2015 • 9:51:13pm

LOL. Stalkers say the darndest things.

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Charles Johnson  Aug 11, 2015 • 9:52:37pm

re: #151 Csarneson

Uh huh.

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teleskiguy  Aug 11, 2015 • 9:54:29pm

re: #162 Charles Johnson

“hate filled”

Uh, how does a hate filled person collate a list like this? That’s some of the most quality internet you can find, just brimming with love.

smdh

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#FergusonFireside  Aug 11, 2015 • 9:54:29pm

Seriously, we have watched the disenfrancement of black people our whole lives. And we just went along all selfishly. Now it’s hit a point where thank the dogs of twitter, it is in our face.

It’s time for us to step aside with criticism. We did nothing to object to the systemic continuation of Jim Crow - look up AA housing in the 80’s, 90’s & 2000’s for one example. Read the DOJ report on Ferguson 1st page to last. That city is not an anomaly, it is America.

It is time for us to support. No matter.

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Csarneson  Aug 11, 2015 • 9:54:50pm

re: #154 #FergusonFireside

I absolutely understand their frustration and rage. There is no doubt that our country’s law enforcement tactics are far different for a white than for a black. I think the BLM has made significant progress over the past year with more accountability and increased body cameras.

What I think is nuts is the nominal leaders deliberately trying to make enemies of the people most likely to support them. Just this week they have disrupted huge events for Bernie and Hillary. If I had attended one of them I’d be pissed. They also seem to be encouraging violence instead of the peaceful protests led by MLK. Dr. King and people like John Lewis were incredibly courageous. I can’t imagine how much bravery it took for them to turn the other cheek as often as they did. This group, however, is behaving like a bunch of thugs.

I have no desire to troll anybody and I’m pretty liberal on nearly every social issue. I just don’t like what I have seen the last week.

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bratwurst  Aug 11, 2015 • 9:57:24pm

Anyone else smell something?

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#FergusonFireside  Aug 11, 2015 • 9:58:19pm

re: #166 Csarneson

“Thugs” kinda gave you away.

Peace

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Charles Johnson  Aug 11, 2015 • 10:00:04pm

re: #164 teleskiguy

It’s pure projection. This is the guy who tweeted at me to drink battery acid. He’s a sick, obsessed person.

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teleskiguy  Aug 11, 2015 • 10:02:55pm

re: #166 Csarneson

I’m going to take a couple of the things you said in this comment deliberately out of context. Isolating them, I think, says a lot about you, new commenter at LGF.

They also seem to be encouraging violence instead of the peaceful protests led by MLK.

You’re a dumb fuck that hasn’t been paying attention. Give us some evidence, you fucking tard ball! A link. A tweet. A video. A .gif. Show us that #BlackLivesMatter is inciting riots. Oh, right. You can’t because you’re a fucking dickhole.

This group, however, is behaving like a bunch of thugs.

Was the use of the word “thugs” planned, asshole?

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#FergusonFireside  Aug 11, 2015 • 10:04:32pm

re: #166 Csarneson

I went to the Bernie event in Portland. Wondering if Bernie in Seattle is the impetus for your questioning of BLM.

Portland had no black people inside, only on the outside & they did not go in & rush the stage. Whatever. When I was out there with them they were telling their stories of police harassment. Like 10 of them.

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bratwurst  Aug 11, 2015 • 10:04:44pm

You could certainly make a strong case for the backlash against the Target gender-neutral toy decree being the most idiotic part of the day. Our local CBS news anchor helpfully pointed out that the clothing departments will still be gender specific. Whew!

However, I would like to nominate a few moments of Rush Limbaugh’s show today I happened to catch. He apparently holds Hillary Clinton personally responsible for the culture of incivility on the internet…because she “got together” with George Soros to start Media Matters.

This is preposterous enough, but it is nothing compared to what he said next:

Now, the format itself lends itself to this because of the anonymity, and it has highlighted the dregs of our culture and society, and it has let us know that they are there. But in my experience, you don’t find conservatives behaving this way, treating people with ill manners. We’re obsessed with the exact opposite. Many on our side believe that we kill ‘em with kindness, show them courtesy as a way to battle this kind of stuff.

I don’t want to say he might be back on the happy pills…but he might be back on the happy pills.

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teleskiguy  Aug 11, 2015 • 10:05:02pm

re: #169 Charles Johnson

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HappyWarrior  Aug 11, 2015 • 10:06:52pm

re: #172 bratwurst

You could certainly make a strong case for the backlash against the Target gender-neutral toy decree being the most idiotic part of the day. Our local CBS news anchor helpfully pointed out that the clothing departments will still be gender specific. Whew!

However, I would like to nominate a few moments of Rush Limbaugh’s show today I happened to catch. He apparently holds Hillary Clinton personally responsible for the culture of incivility on the internet…because she “got together” with George Soros to start Media Matters.

This is preposterous enough, but it is nothing compared to what he said next:

I don’t want to say he might be back on the happy pills…but he might be back on the happy pills.

Limbaugh the guy who called a 13 year old girl the “White House dog” and the guy who coined a term likening feminists to fucking Nazis is trying to cry about civility? Rush at least own up to your own role you pathetic fuck.

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#FergusonFireside  Aug 11, 2015 • 10:08:45pm
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Csarneson  Aug 11, 2015 • 10:10:56pm

re: #168 #FergusonFireside

Feel free to google my username on politico, goplifer, maddow, … I’m banned at Hoft’s cesspool. I’ve never commented here before because my views have always matched everyone else’s.

Whose brilliant tactical idea was it to ruin Bernie’s rally? He’s the most kind-hearted and liberal guy out there. If Bernie and his supporters are your enemy then who is your friend? Thug was probably a poor choice of words on my part. Still seeing people push and shove their way on stage to take the microphone was not what I like to see in a civil discourse.

I want their movement to succeed. They are hurting their cause this week though. That was my point.

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bratwurst  Aug 11, 2015 • 10:14:06pm

Ok, I am going to open a window or something…see if a little fresh air clears out a certain miasma in the room.

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teleskiguy  Aug 11, 2015 • 10:14:37pm

re: #176 Csarneson

I smell a troll that may need grillin’. Csarneson, I don’t like you.

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bratwurst  Aug 11, 2015 • 10:16:02pm

re: #176 Csarneson

I’ve never commented here before because my views have always matched everyone else’s.

Riiiiight…everyone always agrees around here.

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teleskiguy  Aug 11, 2015 • 10:17:56pm

re: #179 bratwurst

Riiiiight…everyone always agrees around here.

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Unabogie  Aug 11, 2015 • 10:18:40pm

Protip: if you’re trying to troll on the sly, avoid wingnut phrases that give you away.

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Csarneson  Aug 11, 2015 • 10:18:47pm

re: #178 teleskiguy

Feel free. It’s been a few decades since somebody said I wasn’t liberal enough. I just happen to like my civil disobedience to be “civil”.

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SteveMcGaziBolaGate  Aug 11, 2015 • 10:18:47pm

We’re one big happy family. Seen one comment, seen them all.

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bratwurst  Aug 11, 2015 • 10:20:57pm
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SteveMcGaziBolaGate  Aug 11, 2015 • 10:21:34pm

The thing is, the roots of this blog are based on conservatism. There are some liberals here, to be sure, but I think you will see that rejecting the right wing doesn’t necessarily make anybody a liberal by definition.

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teleskiguy  Aug 11, 2015 • 10:21:36pm

re: #182 Csarneson

I just happen to like my civil disobedience to be “civil”.

Who said this place was civil?!? I still think you suck, and have nothing truthful or beautiful to offer.

Of course, you are free to prove otherwise.

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#FergusonFireside  Aug 11, 2015 • 10:21:42pm

re: #176 Csarneson

Feel free to google my username on politico, goplifer, maddow, … I’m banned at Hoft’s cesspool. I’ve never commented here before because my views have always matched everyone else’s.

Whose brilliant tactical idea was it to ruin Bernie’s rally? He’s the most kind-hearted and liberal guy out there. If Bernie and his supporters are your enemy then who is your friend? Thug was probably a poor choice of words on my part. Still seeing people push and shove their way on stage to take the microphone was not what I like to see in a civil discourse.

I want their movement to succeed. They are hurting their cause this week though. That was my point.

Welcome. Gotcha.

It’s uncomfortable. I hope you’ll chill & wait and see. Bernie’s rallies have been open & a free for all. Yeah, the people involved may not have been the best choices. But that’s the point, the movement is not centralized. I will not criticize anyone, the purpose is all that matters & I think us white folks have no say. Only support.

I am so thankful & positive about Bernie’s response.

Note that Hillary has not even started. We will see.

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Jenner7  Aug 11, 2015 • 10:22:18pm

re: #176 Csarneson

There is not one thing you can point to that the BLM has promoted violence.

I’m on the fence about what happened at NN and Bernie’s latest event, but I also understand it. And by understanding it, I respect it.

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bratwurst  Aug 11, 2015 • 10:23:57pm

When you are engaging in a form of behavior that has long been immortalized in LOLCAT form, some serious introspection is called for. Just sayin.

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#FergusonFireside  Aug 11, 2015 • 10:25:59pm

As always, I’m giving a chance. Try ya’ll.

If all fails you can grill me in effigy.

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plansbandc  Aug 11, 2015 • 10:26:07pm

So I was a Republican. Then I was a Republican who on occasion voted for Dems. Then I was a Dem, who voted for Republicans on occasion.

Now?

I will never ever vote for a Republican again. If a Republican is running uncontested, I leave the ballot blank.

Not one vote ever again for the anti science, racist, one percenter glee club.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 11, 2015 • 10:26:58pm

I am not going to attack but I do want to say I am wary of using MLK and his legacy to criticize some people who are frustrated for obvious reasons. And honestly I think their focus on Sanders has worked, he released a detailed policy statement this week and the BLM leaders have given him props for it. MLK was critical of LBJ in the 60’s and LBJ was the most civil rights friendly president we had to that point.

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teleskiguy  Aug 11, 2015 • 10:28:39pm

re: #191 plansbandc

So I was a Republican. Then I was a Republican who on occasion voted for Dems. Then I was a Dem, who voted for Republicans on occasion.

Now?

I will never ever vote for a Republican again. If a Republican is running uncontested, I leave the ballot blank.

Not one vote ever again for the anti science, racist, one percenter glee club.

QFT.

Do you mind stating your age? If so, that’s cool.

I’m 33, BTW.

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Jenner7  Aug 11, 2015 • 10:29:10pm

Um…better?

Yeesh.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 11, 2015 • 10:31:17pm

re: #191 plansbandc

So I was a Republican. Then I was a Republican who on occasion voted for Dems. Then I was a Dem, who voted for Republicans on occasion.

Now?

I will never ever vote for a Republican again. If a Republican is running uncontested, I leave the ballot blank.

Not one vote ever again for the anti science, racist, one percenter glee club.

Respect. I’ve always mostly been a Democratic voter but I have voted for Republicans before for as high office as Congress but I’m with you- never again will I give that party a vote.

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#FergusonFireside  Aug 11, 2015 • 10:31:57pm

re: #194 Jenner7

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Um…better?

Yeesh.

No fucking way. They are supported by the police.

The law has NO IDEA who these fucks are. That says a lot.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 11, 2015 • 10:32:11pm

I don’t care if my best friend runs as a Republican. I’ll just say. I respect you and our friendship is important but you’re in a party of assholes.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 11, 2015 • 10:32:34pm

re: #194 Jenner7

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Um…better?

Yeesh.

This is what real thugs do.

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darthstar  Aug 11, 2015 • 10:34:13pm

Okay…bourbon and politics don’t mix, apparently…some Hillary supporters are so sensitive.

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plansbandc  Aug 11, 2015 • 10:34:28pm

re: #193 teleskiguy

I am old, but despite the horrifying politics of our world these days, kinda happy. Native Coloradan BTW. And I do appreciate your skiing stories and general Colorado stories.

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Jenner7  Aug 11, 2015 • 10:36:03pm

re: #196 #FergusonFireside

So, when I hear people say this isn’t about race, I want to scream. They chased these young black men on just a fucking suspicion of having a weapon. They put their knees on their backs and used plastic ties. Turns out, they weren’t armed at all.

Then these white assholes come with fucking rifles and not a fucking peep from police.

Ugh. It pisses me the fuck off.

Sorry for all the fucks, but man….

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Kragar  Aug 11, 2015 • 10:37:03pm

re: #191 plansbandc

I’m in the same boat.

I will actually vote for any viable candidate running against a Republican to keep their party from holding any office at any level.

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plansbandc  Aug 11, 2015 • 10:37:30pm

re: #201 Jenner7

So very openly and blatantly and defiantly racist. I am beyond upset that this shit is going down in 2015.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 11, 2015 • 10:38:29pm

re: #201 Jenner7

So, when I hear people say this isn’t about race, I want to scream. They chased these young black men on just a fucking suspicion of having a weapon. They put their knees on their backs and used plastic ties. Turns out, they weren’t armed at all.

Then these white assholes come with fucking rifles and not a fucking peep from police.

Ugh. It pisses me the fuck off.

Sorry for all the fucks, but man….

No need to be sorry. It is frustrating.

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teleskiguy  Aug 11, 2015 • 10:39:01pm

re: #200 plansbandc

I am old, but despite the horrifying politics of our world these days, kinda happy. Native Coloradan BTW. And I do appreciate your skiing stories and general Colorado stories.

Why thank you!

I was born in Durango. The Animas River looked like this today.

It was orange a few days ago.

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plansbandc  Aug 11, 2015 • 10:41:29pm

re: #205 teleskiguy

I am so happy it is looking better. My husband was born and raised on the western slope and has family there. We both are horrified by the spill.

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Csarneson  Aug 11, 2015 • 10:41:57pm

re: #188 Jenner7

I had always assumed that the blacklivesmatter movement was a grassroots upswell and that it contained some young morons but most of the activists were really impressive people. Only this week did I hear the lady described as their formal leader. I don’t know her name but I strongly dislike her and her tactics.

Feel free to disagree but humor me. The lgbt community has completely changed our country in the past 30 years. They were activists and had tons of protests. They were viciously attacked and sometimes killed for the way they were born. Still, looking back they made progress with constant but civil non-violent non-threatening pressure. They focused on teaching the masses. Now the vast majority of people support their cause. This same approach worked in the civil rights movement. This movement insists on a more bombastic approach and it is alienating a lot of moderates and even liberals like me. I support their cause but not that particular group.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 11, 2015 • 10:42:55pm

I am just fed up with people ignoring blatant racism. I am also tired of right wing assholes finding fake outrages like the Target shit about the kids’ toys labels to pitch about. Yeah Franklin Graham, labels on toys is such a bigger problem than police brutality. Sigh and then you have the assholes that talk down to African-Americans and tell them they’re basically stupid for voting Democratic because the GOP 100+ years ago weren’t total dicks on race and then they get even more condescending by claiming African-Americans and other minorities only support the Democratic party because of “free stuff.” Free stuff eh? You mean the tax cuts the GOP gives the wealthy simply because they’re wealthy and their donor base?

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bratwurst  Aug 11, 2015 • 10:43:54pm

If you are looking for a guffaw (or perhaps just a wee giggle) before bed, I can recommend catching up on the Tinder Twitter feed meltdown.

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#FergusonFireside  Aug 11, 2015 • 10:44:35pm

re: #207 Csarneson

I had always assumed that the blacklivesmatter movement was a grassroots upswell and that it contained some young morons but most of the activists were really impressive people. Only this week did I hear the lady described as their formal leader. I don’t know her name but I strongly dislike her and her tactics.

Feel free to disagree but humor me. The lgbt community has completely changed our country in the past 30 years. They were activists and had tons of protests. They were viciously attacked and sometimes killed for the way they were born. Still, looking back they made progress with constant but civil non-violent non-threatening pressure. They focused on teaching the masses. Now the vast majority of people support their cause. This same approach worked in the civil rights movement. This movement insists on a more bombastic approach and it is alienating a lot of moderates and even liberals like me. I support their cause but not that particular group.

Are you too young to remember Act Up?

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Jenner7  Aug 11, 2015 • 10:46:37pm

re: #207 Csarneson

Feel free to disagree but humor me. The lgbt community has completely changed our country in the past 30 years. They were activists and had tons of protests. They were viciously attacked and sometimes killed for the way they were born. Still, looking back they made progress with constant but civil non-violent non-threatening pressure.

When has the BLM been violent and threatening?

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Csarneson  Aug 11, 2015 • 10:46:51pm

re: #210 #FergusonFireside

Apparently…

I’ve seen a little of the Black Panthers tactics though and always felt they damaged their cause far more than they helped.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 11, 2015 • 10:51:13pm

Another thing. Black people protesting is presented by our media as thugs but the assholes at the Bundy Ranch who by the way actually did threaten law enforcement with guns are presented as patriots fighting the bad government. That’s our problem as a society. Black people and minorities are told to listen to the police but white people can actually with their allies aim their guns at law enforcement and get lauded as heroes by the right wingers in political office and the media. No one at the Bundy Ranch was killed or physically abused by the government. Meanwhile people like Tamir, Eric, Michael, and so many others have actually been killed by the police and there’s not even indictments. Not convictions but indictments and people are predictably pissed. I have to say this, if my brother or someone close to me was unarmed and killed by the police and there was no indictment and a bunch of right wing dipshits in the media and office who never knew them attempting to smear them, I’d be out there too.

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teleskiguy  Aug 11, 2015 • 10:51:40pm

re: #206 plansbandc

I am so happy it is looking better. My husband was born and raised on the western slope and has family there. We both are horrified by the spill.

Colorado!

…

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#FergusonFireside  Aug 11, 2015 • 10:51:57pm

re: #212 Csarneson

Apparently…

I’ve seen a little of the Black Panthers tactics though and always felt they damaged their cause far more than they helped.

OK, that did it.

Fire up the grill. He did well for awhile, I gave the chance as always.

Black Panthers. 1960, or 2015 Racists.

finis

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#FergusonFireside  Aug 11, 2015 • 10:53:51pm

Fucking Black Panthers.

White racists are so terribly terribly afraid. Pitiful.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 11, 2015 • 10:56:00pm

We also talk about doing something about mental illness whenever a shooting happens. And yet mental health services are the first thing that many of these cowardly Republican politicians who refuse to talk about absurdly easy access to guns by people vote to or decide to cut once in office. We ask ourselves “How could this happen after Columbine/Virginia Tech/Sandy Hook/Charleston?” And the solutions sometimes will involve probably having to pay a little more in taxes. Does the so called fiscally responsible Republican party even consider raising taxes to pay for more services or perhaps consider a cut to our huge defense budget. Nope they cut services to the people who need them the most and continue to pose with guns like they’re props.

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Csarneson  Aug 11, 2015 • 11:01:24pm

re: #216 #FergusonFireside

Ok I’m pissing you off and I’m sorry for that.

I’m just a guy who grew up VERY white in Wyoming. I didn’t know a black person until college. I’ve read a lot about the 60s but obviously that’s very different than living through it every day. I’ll drop out of this topic.

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#FergusonFireside  Aug 11, 2015 • 11:03:13pm

re: #218 Csarneson

Get an education or just give up racist trolling.

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#FergusonFireside  Aug 11, 2015 • 11:04:03pm

Bleah, they are everywhere. The battle is yuuuuge.

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bratwurst  Aug 11, 2015 • 11:08:44pm

re: #215 #FergusonFireside

OK, that did it.

Fire up the grill. He did well for awhile, I gave the chance as always.

Black Panthers. 1960, or 2015 Racists.

finis

If there is some kind of internets sainthood, I will be ready and willing to support your application for the patience you show in cases like this.

It MIGHT be the case that one of the first things you learn about black people living in Wyoming is “Black Panther tactics”, but I am not sure. ///

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Nyet  Aug 11, 2015 • 11:11:09pm

re: #59 FormerDirtDart

And what do they have to do with it? Being a vet doesn’t make one an expert on foreign relations or nuclear deals.

Oh, it’s because being a vet is a sacred status or something. (Unless you’re a liberal.)

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boxhead  Aug 11, 2015 • 11:13:13pm

Greetings..

I know I am a few hours late for the start of this thread, and many many moons since I have posted here, but IMHO, the behavior of the folks who derailed Sanders’ rally was inexcusable. What possible reason could this be acceptable in a civil society? To what end was to be accomplished? BLM protesters acted as if they were spoiled children. I loathe violence, but I detest bullies even more. It would be very hard for me to act in a civil manner if someone rushed the platform I was speaking upon for their selfish needs. Do their words have more Rights than mine? To even think their actions were OK is ludicrous. What slippery slope do you want to descend?

No I would not relinquish the mic. It would have to be taken by force. And we all know the laws of physics about force.

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BeachDem  Aug 11, 2015 • 11:14:11pm

re: #207 Csarneson

I had always assumed that the blacklivesmatter movement was a grassroots upswell and that it contained some young morons but most of the activists were really impressive people. Only this week did I hear the lady described as their formal leader. I don’t know her name but I strongly dislike her and her tactics.

Feel free to disagree but humor me. The lgbt community has completely changed our country in the past 30 years. They were activists and had tons of protests. They were viciously attacked and sometimes killed for the way they were born. Still, looking back they made progress with constant but civil non-violent non-threatening pressure. They focused on teaching the masses. Now the vast majority of people support their cause. This same approach worked in the civil rights movement. This movement insists on a more bombastic approach and it is alienating a lot of moderates and even liberals like me. I support their cause but not that particular group.

I think, while your heart may be in the right place, your memory is a bit rose-glass tinted.

The Stonewall riots were a series of spontaneous, violent demonstrations by members of the gay (LGBT) community against a police raid that took place in the early morning hours of June 28, 1969, at the Stonewall Inn, located in the Greenwich Village neighborhood of Manhattan, New York City. They are widely considered to constitute the single most important event leading to the gay liberation movement and the modern fight for LGBT rights in the United States.

While many speakers applauded the Kennedy Administration for the efforts it had made toward obtaining new, more effective civil rights legislation protecting the right to vote and outlawing segregation, John Lewis took the administration to task for how little it had done to protect Southern blacks and civil rights workers under attack in the Deep South.

The original leaked version of the speech John Lewis (a personal hero of mine) was to make at the March on Washington (it was later toned down a bit).

We march today for jobs and freedom, but we have nothing to be proud of, for hundreds and thousands of our brothers are not here—for they have no money for their transportation, for they are receiving starvation wages…or no wages at all. In good conscience, we cannot support the administration’s civil rights bill.

This bill will not protect young children and old women from police dogs and fire hoses when engaging in peaceful demonstrations. This bill will not protect the citizens of Danville, Virginia who must live in constant fear in a police state. This bill will not protect the hundreds of people who have been arrested on trumped-up charges like those in Americus, Georgia, where four young men are in jail, facing a death penalty, for engaging in peaceful protest.

I want to know, which side is the federal government on? The revolution is a serious one. Mr. Kennedy is trying to take the revolution out of the streets and put it in the courts. Listen Mr. Kennedy, the black masses are on the march for jobs and for freedom, and we must say to the politicians that there won’t be a “cooling-off period.”

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bratwurst  Aug 11, 2015 • 11:14:34pm

Wow, what an amazing coincidence! A new moniker gets unmasked as a troll, and a long disused one suddenly appears to make the exact same point.

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#FergusonFireside  Aug 11, 2015 • 11:17:14pm

Racist trolls indicate my exit.

Love to those who love. Ya’ll racists dropping in, look in the mirror & fuck the fuck off. Enjoy your short life of hate.

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BeachDem  Aug 11, 2015 • 11:20:53pm

re: #223 boxhead

Greetings..

What possible reason could this be acceptable in a civil society? To what end was to be accomplished? BLM protesters acted as if they were spoiled children. I loathe violence, but I detest bullies even more.

If I hadn’t read the rest of your post, I’d have thought you were talking about GUNNING DOWN UNARMED PEOPLE IN THE STREET.

You loathe violence and detest bullies, eh? So, I’d think you’d be on the front lines protesting police violence against unarmed people and the bullying tactics of militarized police. I believe that those are the tactics that are unacceptable in a civil society.

Ah, you were talking about people being RUDE at a speech. So sorry. I misunderstood.
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Csarneson  Aug 11, 2015 • 11:22:24pm

re: #224 BeachDem

I’d never heard of the stonewall riots. I’ll read up. Thanks. I lived in Laramie when Matt Sheppard was murdered and that experience and the way it affected both myself and the community was pretty influential for me.

I’m a big admirer of John Lewis as well but I can’t imagine him ever charging and shoving into a huge unrelated rally and demanding the mic. He and dr King were civil above all else. Maybe I have rose colored glasses about that as well though.

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gwangung  Aug 11, 2015 • 11:24:48pm
Apparently…

I’ve seen a little of the Black Panthers tactics though and always felt they damaged their cause far more than they helped.

I don’t think this is a very knowledgeable statement.

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boxhead  Aug 11, 2015 • 11:26:22pm

re: #227 BeachDem

Ah, you were talking about people being RUDE at a speech. So sorry. I misunderstood.
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I was talking about the start of this thread. I know how these discussions can have a life of its own and coming in late as I did can lead to misunderstanding…

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gwangung  Aug 11, 2015 • 11:27:41pm

re: #223 boxhead

Greetings..

I know I am a few hours late for the start of this thread, and many many moons since I have posted here, but IMHO, the behavior of the folks who derailed Sanders’ rally was inexcusable. What possible reason could this be acceptable in a civil society?

This is not a civil society. Not when you gun down people purely because of their race and call it the rule of law.

Stop being an asshole.

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BeachDem  Aug 11, 2015 • 11:28:11pm

re: #228 Csarneson

I’d never heard of the stonewall riots. I’ll read up. Thanks. I lived in Laramie when Matt Sheppard was murdered and that experience and the way it affected both myself and the community was pretty influential for me.

I’m a big admirer of John Lewis as well but I can’t imagine him ever charging and shoving into a huge unrelated rally and demanding the mic. He and dr King were civil above all else. Maybe I have rose colored glasses about that as well though.

I’m still giving you the benefit of the doubt, and recommend that you watch

Freedom Riders

pbs.org
and
Freedom Summer

pbs.org

I think they will give you some insight into the early days of the civil rights movement. John Lewis was originally involved in SNCC, and at many points they differed from MLK in their vision and tactics about how to achieve their goals.

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boxhead  Aug 11, 2015 • 11:46:36pm

re: #231 gwangung

This is not a civil society. Not when you gun down people purely because of their race and call it the rule of law.

Stop being an asshole.

So that makes it OK to hijack an event? Stop being a child and learn how to speak.

If you think I support the demise of civil law, you are sorely mistaking. Gunning down people was not what this thread started talking about.

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freetoken  Aug 11, 2015 • 11:48:39pm

This one goes out to all those GOP fanatics for Trump:

MP3 Audio

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Jenner7  Aug 11, 2015 • 11:52:11pm

re: #233 boxhead

Gunning down people was not what this thread started talking about.

Actually, this thread is about a GOP candidate threatening the BLM movement. But you and the other dude want to make it about the BLM movement and how they are mistreating your favorite candidate. Get the fuck over it. Move on. Try working together instead of bitching about it. If your candidate can’t handle this, then they are not the right person for the WH.

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teleskiguy  Aug 11, 2015 • 11:56:37pm

re: #235 Jenner7

This thread makes me want to grab the necessary head gear.

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gwangung  Aug 11, 2015 • 11:58:03pm

re: #233 boxhead

So that makes it OK to hijack an event? Stop being a child and learn how to speak.

If you think I support the demise of civil law, you are sorely mistaking. Gunning down people was not what this thread started talking about.

You are simply sorely mistaken.

Assholes prattle about courtesy when people are being killed. That’s been the RESULT of being courteous and following “the rules.” THAT is what’s killing a civil society, whether you “support” it or not. You don’t separate the two.

If you’re about courtesy, try to at least match the graciousness of the Sanders campaign and know when you’ve fucked up when you’ve neglected to include the concerns of a core bloc of the party in your platform. Otherwise, you’re just being childish.

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Csarneson  Aug 12, 2015 • 12:00:47am

re: #232 BeachDem

The freedom riders were coached beforehand to be non violent and non confrontational. They failed but they tried very hard to be civil. I appreciate your thoughts fwiw.

This past week BLM has devolved to being on par with code pink or the nuts that throw paint on people wearing fur. I agree with their cause but hate their tactics.

I’m a reasonable and thoughtful guy but this group of commenters sucks. I didn’t deserve to be called a ton of names just for having a slightly different view on one minor issue. I prefer civil discourse instead of shoving people to get to a microphone and no that doesn’t make me racist. Some of you are no better than the swill on Hoft’s site.

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Ace-o-aces  Aug 12, 2015 • 12:02:21am

Unless, of course, you accept the Charles Krauthammer argument that Bush always intended to renege on the agreed withdrawal. Yes, that’s right, letting the world know that the U.S. is an unreliable negotiator was part of the neo-cons’ plan. Their horrible, fucked-up plan.

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Tigger2  Aug 12, 2015 • 12:02:30am

re: #176 Csarneson

Feel free to google my username on politico, goplifer, maddow, … I’m banned at Hoft’s cesspool. I’ve never commented here before because my views have always matched everyone else’s.

Whose brilliant tactical idea was it to ruin Bernie’s rally? He’s the most kind-hearted and liberal guy out there. If Bernie and his supporters are your enemy then who is your friend? Thug was probably a poor choice of words on my part. Still seeing people push and shove their way on stage to take the microphone was not what I like to see in a civil discourse.

I want their movement to succeed. They are hurting their cause this week though. That was my point.

If Bernie wants to be President he better learn how to deal with the unexpected. Because this won’t be the last time something like this happens to him during the campaign. Maybe not by BLM but there will be other protesters for other causes.

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teleskiguy  Aug 12, 2015 • 12:08:14am

re: #238 Csarneson

I’m a reasonable and thoughtful guy but this group of commenters sucks.

Then go somewhere else.

I didn’t deserve to be called a ton of names

Yeah you did because you have stated a crap-load of inane stupid shit.

I prefer civil discourse instead of shoving people to get to a microphone and no that doesn’t make me racist. Some of you are no better than the swill on Hoft’s site.

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Jenner7  Aug 12, 2015 • 12:10:47am

re: #238 Csarneson

Video

And with that, I’m going to bed….g’night.

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Tigger2  Aug 12, 2015 • 12:12:02am

re: #242 Jenner7

[Embedded content]

Video

And with that, I’m going to bed….g’night.

Good Night.

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freetoken  Aug 12, 2015 • 12:12:22am

re: #238 Csarneson

LGF is always full of dynamics. I liken it to a polisher (in jewelry), and members get thrown into the bucket with a lot of steel shot, the tumbler is turned on … and hours and days later we see what comes out.

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freetoken  Aug 12, 2015 • 12:17:52am

MP3 Audio

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freetoken  Aug 12, 2015 • 12:36:48am

WaPo declares in a “fact checker” headline:

For Planned Parenthood abortion stats, ‘3 percent’ and ‘94 percent’ are both misleading

So anyone who reads just the headline - which will be most people - the take-away is that PP is lying.

But in the article itself WaPo sez:

When all services are counted equally, abortion procedures do account for 3 percent of Planned Parenthood’s total services.

Well… so what’s the problem?

But there are obvious differences between these services. For example, a first trimester abortion can cost up to $1,500, according to the Planned Parenthood Web site. Yet an emergency contraceptive pill costs around $45 and a urine pregnancy test costs around $10 at a pharmacy. An abortion is a different type of procedure than a vasectomy, or testing for sexually transmitted infections or diseases, or a vaccine for human papilloma virus (HPV), and so forth.

So their quibble is all about costs.

WaPo’s conclusion:

The Pinocchio Test

The 3 percent figure that Planned Parenthood uses is misleading, comparing abortion services to every other service that it provides. The organization treats each service — pregnancy test, STD test, abortion, birth control — equally. Yet there are obvious difference between a surgical (or even medical) abortion, and offering a urine (or even blood) pregnancy test. These services are not all comparable in how much they cost or how extensive the service or procedure is.

The 94 percent figure that Susan B. Anthony List uses also is misleading, comparing abortion services to two other types of services that pregnant women receive through Planned Parenthood. But we don’t know how many pregnant women Planned Parenthood serves every year or how many they refer to private providers for prenatal care, because the organization does not report that information.

With limited data, there is no accurate way to measure how much of Planned Parenthood’s activities comprise abortions. Both sides are using meaningless and incomplete comparisons to make their argument, and the public should wary of both figures. Thus, both receive Three Pinocchios.

While Planned Parenthood has no legal obligation to make its data more public, it is unfortunate that the public has limited access to data about the organization. Planned Parenthood could end the speculation-and Pinocchios-by providing a more transparent breakdown of its clients, referrals and sources of revenues.

In other words, pure magical balance fairy.

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teleskiguy  Aug 12, 2015 • 12:38:23am

Hey freetoken, where are all these fabulous sound files you keep sharing with us? Is it the archive?

I have a feeling that my knowledge of music is minuscule.

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freetoken  Aug 12, 2015 • 12:52:33am

My comment I left at the WaPo:

This article more than many strikes me as an attempt to be a magical balance fairy.

I can go to the dentist to get my teeth cleaned, or to get a root canal + gold crown fit. The latter two cost 25x as much as the first procedure. But each is put down as a specific procedure, have their own box to check on the forms, are each a line item on the bill.

So what they cost differently. I still got three procedures done at the dentist. If I tell someone what I had done I say: teeth cleaned, root canal, crown. I don’t repeat “root canal” and “crown” 25 times just to show that they cost more than the teeth cleaning.

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freetoken  Aug 12, 2015 • 12:53:38am

re: #247 teleskiguy

The internet has everything you could possibly ever want.

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freetoken  Aug 12, 2015 • 1:01:43am

That said, as I’ve noted before, there are efforts by some interests to scrub the internet of some protected property. In the end I suspect it will all be futile, but several of my favorite music sites can no longer feed mp3s. Somehow Google gets away with more latitude on youtube.

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teleskiguy  Aug 12, 2015 • 1:03:08am

re: #249 freetoken

The internet has everything you could possibly ever want.

I was very young when I discovered this.

Thank you freetoken for being another humanoid who sees this and relays it to me. Truth be told, no one in meat-space has ever conveyed such a thought to me.

It’s kind of like when I heard that George Carlin had died. I saw it on TV, on Fox News. Where I least suspected it.

I thought for sure I’d meet *SOMEBODY IRL* that knew like I did that the internet is humankind’s craziest most viable conduit into our species.

No, freetoken did it.

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teleskiguy  Aug 12, 2015 • 1:08:50am

I continually point out how awesome technology is to the skiing tourists I encounter in the winter. Folks years older than me (usually dads, it’s always the dads) look at me all fucking weird when I ask if there’s anything interesting on their glowing rectangles on the chairlift.

I have fun.

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freetoken  Aug 12, 2015 • 1:51:43am

Perhaps one of the better things for which the internet is well suited - bringing us　プロ　：

ジュシンリガー　と　友達
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freetoken  Aug 12, 2015 • 2:56:23am

MP3 Audio

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Dave In Austin  Aug 12, 2015 • 3:46:37am

This went dead……

Morning all. Another “What will he say next Day” ahead. Looks like the Bern has surpassed Hillery in one of the primary states.

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Dave In Austin  Aug 12, 2015 • 3:50:30am
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Bubblehead II  Aug 12, 2015 • 4:16:38am

Morning Lizards.

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Dark_Falcon  Aug 12, 2015 • 4:54:49am

re: #223 boxhead

Greetings..

I know I am a few hours late for the start of this thread, and many many moons since I have posted here, but IMHO, the behavior of the folks who derailed Sanders’ rally was inexcusable. What possible reason could this be acceptable in a civil society? To what end was to be accomplished? BLM protesters acted as if they were spoiled children. I loathe violence, but I detest bullies even more. It would be very hard for me to act in a civil manner if someone rushed the platform I was speaking upon for their selfish needs. Do their words have more Rights than mine? To even think their actions were OK is ludicrous. What slippery slope do you want to descend?

No I would not relinquish the mic. It would have to be taken by force. And we all know the laws of physics about force.

So you’d have gotten into a fight, likely on camera, with two women? That would not have ended well for you and just by saying that you come across as a silly “Internet Tough Guy”.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 12, 2015 • 5:10:24am

welp, the goofy three-legged, 80-pound coonhound jumped the four-foot fence and is currently baying out her lungs up in the woods.
She hasn’t done that for a couple of years.

sigh

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aagcobb  Aug 12, 2015 • 5:17:25am

re: #255 Dave In Austin

This went dead……

Morning all. Another “What will he say next Day” ahead. Looks like the Bern has surpassed Hillery in one of the primary states.

I read that Trump had good things to say about PP. Looks like he is making a play for the female vote.

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Bass Reeves  Aug 12, 2015 • 5:28:00am

So, reading the last 4 threads or so was fun, since I spent yesterday hanging with the family and missed all the “amazing” discussion and criticism of BLM. When Marissa said that she doesn’t care about the ‘white gaze’, she’s literally talking about people like Csarneson and boxhead. People who criticize the BLM for the violent tactics of getting up on stage and shouting, or standing on a freeway are. not. allies. If you thought you supported the cause of BLM but now you don’t because Sanders didn’t get to talk, you never supported the cause.

For a lot of white progressives, the BLM is still an intellectual exercise. It’s an abstract. You see the stories of the black people getting shot and think, “that’s awful and someone should stop that!” I see the story and think, “I can’t pick up a toy gun in a store. When I get in the car I need to place my wallet in the drink holder and my insurance in a place already visible so I can reach for it. I need to drive 2 mph under the speed limit. I stop for the night when driving before it gets dark. I can’t jog or ride a bike or go to the pool in my neighborhood in the early morning or anywhere near dark.”

When I hear/read a discussion around *some* white progressives about tactics and how rude the BLM is being, I look at the Bundy Ranch, I look at Oathkeepers in Ferguson, I look the KKK rally at Stone Mountain, and I start looking for what other country I can go to when I retire. Because with half-hearted allies looking to ‘support’ without being inconvenienced, I will more than likely have to move my family away for survival. I’m raising a black son diagnosed with autism and ADHD, and I’d like to not have to bury him because people are just too sensitive to disruption of campaign rallies.

And because it’s not polite to downding without saying anything, I down’ed Dr. Matt (before refreshing my page and realizing it was truly dead) for calling Marissa a teabagger because she supported Palin when she was 17. Last I checked, this place had a LOT of Republicans in 2007.

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The Vicious Babushka  Aug 12, 2015 • 5:31:33am

Some wingnuts are not trusting Trump==>

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The Vicious Babushka  Aug 12, 2015 • 5:40:20am

I think wingnuts must get a signal or something because all of a sudden a whole swarm of Ted Cruz memes get dropped into the Twitter stream and not all by spambots.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 12, 2015 • 5:40:53am
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Dr. Matt  Aug 12, 2015 • 5:42:03am

And the wingnut infighting marches on….

Fox, you built this!

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The Vicious Babushka  Aug 12, 2015 • 5:46:01am

Does Rand Paul know what a fucking liar he is, or does he really believe this insane stupid shit==>

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Dr. Matt  Aug 12, 2015 • 5:58:35am

So CCJ lost his stiffy for Ted Cruz?

HAHAHAHAHA! #ChuckCJohnson
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andres  Aug 12, 2015 • 5:59:41am

re: #266 The Vicious Babushka

Does Rand Paul know what a fucking liar he is, or does he really believe this insane stupid shit==>

[Embedded content]

Interesting. The president elected the next year was Martin Van Buren, who is often credited as the organizer who shaped the modern Democratic Party into what it is today. I don’t this is coincidence.

(There’s also the Panic of 1837, which didn’t make things any better.)

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The War TARDIS  Aug 12, 2015 • 5:59:51am

re: #261 Bass Reeves

I have been getting to the same point. :(

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Timothy Watson  Aug 12, 2015 • 6:03:27am

re: #266 The Vicious Babushka

Does Rand Paul know what a fucking liar he is, or does he really believe this insane stupid shit==>

[Embedded content]

And yet the country has managed to survive for 180 years with a national debt.

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JoyP  Aug 12, 2015 • 6:03:50am

Yes, I would pay to see this with one condition. It has to be Trump himself, not one of his paid goons. I can see the hair pulling now.

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Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Aug 12, 2015 • 6:04:00am

re: #266 The Vicious Babushka

Does Rand Paul know what a fucking liar he is, or does he really believe this insane stupid shit==>

Because a large, national government’s being “debt-free” (whatever that means) is the supreme value a large nation with diverse people, economy and national security needs should always promote no matter what, even if it kills us.

//

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The Vicious Babushka  Aug 12, 2015 • 6:05:49am

re: #268 andres

Interesting. The president elected the next year was Martin Van Buren, who is often credited as the organizer who shaped the modern Democratic Party into what it is today. I don’t this is coincidence.

(There’s also the Panic of 1837, which didn’t make things any better.)

It’s funny that the Crash of 1987 is completely wiped from wingnut financial memory.

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The Vicious Babushka  Aug 12, 2015 • 6:06:41am

re: #272 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse

Because a large, national government’s being “debt-free” (whatever that means) is the supreme value a large nation with diverse people, economy and national security needs should always promote no matter what, even if it kills us.

//

And Rand Paul’s plan to pay off the National Debt is FLAT TAX & MOAR TAX CUTS FOR TEH RICH!!!!!!

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The War TARDIS  Aug 12, 2015 • 6:06:51am

re: #261 Bass Reeves

I will actually point out something. Seattle, where the incident took place? Hugely progressive city.

However, Gentrification is pushing the poor, especially African Americans out of their homes. And there is a huge issue with the treatment of African Americans by the city’s police.

I don’t think many White Progressives, those who support Bernie anyway, actually care. They pay lip service, but do nothing.

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Higgs Boson's Mate  Aug 12, 2015 • 6:08:12am

Good morning from the heading-for-triple-digits foothills of the San Gabriel mountains.
What are we outraged about this morning?

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Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Aug 12, 2015 • 6:10:57am

re: #246 freetoken

a first trimester abortion can cost up to $1,500, according to the Planned Parenthood Web site.

PP makes all the money making abortions and selling baby partsz!!!!111

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lawhawk  Aug 12, 2015 • 6:17:05am

OFFS

(HT to Gus)

Oath Keepers and Greenwald. Well, Greenwald’s consistent. Always searching for and identifying with the fringe.

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Iwouldprefernotto  Aug 12, 2015 • 6:19:31am

re: #273 The Vicious Babushka

It’s funny that the Crash of 1987 is completely wiped from wingnut financial memory.

Crash of 1987? They don’t even remember/acknowledge the crash 0f 2008. And even if they do, they blame it on Obama/Democrats.

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Bass Reeves  Aug 12, 2015 • 6:20:24am

The weirdest thing to me about the Oathkeepers in Ferguson is that they aren’t actually supposed to be about maintaining law and order. Their bag is supposed to be fighting tyrannical government, not quelling ‘riots’. Or, y’know, so they say. So why have they shown up in Ferguson twice now to protect businesses and a reporter from people who have a legitimate grievance against their local government?

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darthstar  Aug 12, 2015 • 6:24:33am
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Dark_Falcon  Aug 12, 2015 • 6:28:36am

re: #280 Bass Reeves

The weirdest thing to me about the Oathkeepers in Ferguson is that they aren’t actually supposed to be about maintaining law and order. Their bag is supposed to be fighting tyrannical government, not quelling ‘riots’. Or, y’know, so they say. So why have they shown up in Ferguson twice now to protect businesses and a reporter from people who have a legitimate grievance against their local government?

That first time was about showing their target audience that they stand ready to defend them against black rioters, the veritable White Knights Standing Against The Dark Hoard.

(spits twice) Sorry, just typing that left a bad taste in my mouth.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 12, 2015 • 6:29:03am

Goofy hound has returned, exhausted and soaking wet.

And very proud of herself.

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William Lewis  Aug 12, 2015 • 6:30:33am

re: #280 Bass Reeves

Pfft. The Oath Breakers have always only been about keeping the uppity N-CLANG! In their place, whether the president or protesters.

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Higgs Boson's Mate  Aug 12, 2015 • 6:35:22am

re: #278 lawhawk

OFFS

[Embedded content]

(HT to Gus)

Oath Keepers and Greenwald. Well, Greenwald’s consistent. Always searching for and identifying with the fringe.

“A coalition of current and former military, police, and other public officials…”

A person who didn’t know who wrote those words would suspect that the author is a bootlicking tool.

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RealityBasedSteve  Aug 12, 2015 • 6:36:58am

OT Rant….

Hostgator is killing me. I finally got some straight answers from a chat session with them regarding my email problems. They are being black / grey listed on AOL and a number of different other systems, and as a result that is why my emails are being held for 5 minutes before being sent. They don’t know when the situation will be resolved, the customer support forums indicate that this has been on ongoing problem over several months now, and I’m not at all happy.

I may end up moving my domain somewhere else. The other option would be a google apps acct added on, but why should I pay 50 dollars a year for service (email) that I’m already paying for?

/rant

Thank you

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Dark_Falcon  Aug 12, 2015 • 6:37:59am

re: #280 Bass Reeves

The weirdest thing to me about the Oathkeepers in Ferguson is that they aren’t actually supposed to be about maintaining law and order. Their bag is supposed to be fighting tyrannical government, not quelling ‘riots’. Or, y’know, so they say. So why have they shown up in Ferguson twice now to protect businesses and a reporter from people who have a legitimate grievance against their local government?

The second time (earlier this week) was a little less sick but it was even more lame: Those four ‘Oathkeepers’ were really there as acting as private security contractors for Infowars, making it seem as if the nut Alex Jones sent to Ferguson needed the kind of protection a reporter needs in Iraq.

This is related to Fox News’ bogus “no go zones” meme from the Charlie Hebdo terror attacks in Paris earlier this year. The line is as follows:

This area is a scary place where white people can’t go without heavy firepower. It’s populated by nasty dark-skinned people who want destroy what’s good and decent.

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The Vicious Babushka  Aug 12, 2015 • 6:40:18am

Somebody please tell Ben about the Hyde Amendment. I think it was passed before he was born.

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Dark_Falcon  Aug 12, 2015 • 6:41:10am

re: #287 Dark_Falcon

The second time (earlier this week) was a little less sick but it was even more lame: Those four ‘Oathkeepers’ were really there as acting as private security contractors for Infowars, making it seem as if the nut Alex Jones sent to Ferguson needed the kind of protection a reporter needs in Iraq.

This is related to Fox News’ bogus “no go zones” meme from the Charlie Hebdo terror attacks in Paris earlier this year. The line is as follows:

This area is a scary place where white people can’t go without heavy firepower. It’s populated by nasty dark-skinned people who want destroy what’s good and decent.

One of the intended conclusions is that such a “no go zone” should be dealt with by a updated Operation: MOTORMAN (The British Army’s move on areas of Belfast and Londonderry that actually had been made no-go zones for police by the IRA in 1972). This operation would of course include martial law, curfews, restrictions on the movements of residents of the former ‘no-go’ area, and of course internment without trial.

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Bass Reeves  Aug 12, 2015 • 6:44:09am

re: #289 Dark_Falcon

Well yeah, but they’re already doing that.

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Dr. Matt  Aug 12, 2015 • 6:44:47am
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rhuarc  Aug 12, 2015 • 6:46:48am

re: #286 RealityBasedSteve

At least your AOL emails go through. It has been my experience with Hostgator hosted email that my messages to AOL get bounced and the recipient never sees them. Of course, I haven’t sent any email to an AOL account in about 6 weeks, though. I ended up having to use my GMail account to send those emails.

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Dr. Matt  Aug 12, 2015 • 6:48:56am

re: #280 Bass Reeves

The weirdest thing to me about the Oathkeepers in Ferguson is that they aren’t actually supposed to be about maintaining law and order. Their bag is supposed to be fighting tyrannical government, not quelling ‘riots’. Or, y’know, so they say. So why have they shown up in Ferguson twice now to protect businesses and a reporter from people who have a legitimate grievance against their local government?

They look for any excuse to walk around with their penis extenders since they spend every waking moment obsessing over firearms and yet they just sit around like a hammer in a tool chest.

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Dark_Falcon  Aug 12, 2015 • 6:51:26am

re: #290 Bass Reeves

Well yeah, but they’re already doing that.

No, they’re not. What the St. Louis County police have been doing this week isn’t in the same league as MOTORMAN. They’re not restricting the ability of residents to leave Ferguson, they’re not doing door to door warrant-less searches, and there’s no internment without trial.

I’m not saying what’s being done there is good or that it should happen, I’m just saying its not at the level that some dishonest media sources would call for as a ‘solution’.

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The Vicious Babushka  Aug 12, 2015 • 6:51:46am

STUPIDEST MEME OF THE DAY==>
Because any Twitter name that has “Galt” in it is TEH STUPIDS

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The Vicious Babushka  Aug 12, 2015 • 6:53:22am

Donald Trump shows how he will take down #BlackLivesMatter if they should attempt to take the mic from him

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aagcobb  Aug 12, 2015 • 7:00:02am

re: #266 The Vicious Babushka

Does Rand Paul know what a fucking liar he is, or does he really believe this insane stupid shit==>

[Embedded content]

I think he really believes this insane stupid shit.

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Bass Reeves  Aug 12, 2015 • 7:00:16am

re: #294 Dark_Falcon

This operation would of course include martial law, curfews, restrictions on the movements of residents of the former ‘no-go’ area, and of course internment without trial.

I’m 100% certain all of this has already happened in Ferguson. Except the no-go areas, because the Ferguson residents hadn’t set any up.

But I concede the point that this isn’t Motorman at the moment.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 12, 2015 • 7:01:57am
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Timothy Watson  Aug 12, 2015 • 7:04:38am

Bernie Sanders is ahead of Clinton in New Hampshire according to a single poll. Lamestream media: CRISIS FOR CLINTON!!1!

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aagcobb  Aug 12, 2015 • 7:06:14am

re: #279 Iwouldprefernotto

Crash of 1987? They don’t even remember/acknowledge the crash 0f 2008. And even if they do, they blame it on Obama/Democrats.

Barney Frank forced the banks to give undeserving blacks mortgages!

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The Vicious Babushka  Aug 12, 2015 • 7:07:05am

Another bogus Planned Parenthood video just dropped==>

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Dr. Matt  Aug 12, 2015 • 7:07:51am

re: #299 Backwoods_Sleuth

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If no wear [sic] in the constitution does it say that blacks should be slaves, why did many of the founders have slaves?

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lawhawk  Aug 12, 2015 • 7:09:15am

The cops knew, but deny that they gave the Oath Keeper extremists permission to roam the streets.

Yeah. Sure.

Heavily armed white guys get to play commando protecting an extremist journalist while blacks who are peacefully protesting without guns get arrested for ticky-tack offenses. Had blacks been the ones with the semi-auto weapons in open carry, you can be damned sure that they would have been arrested on charges, even though the state allows open carry.

Heck, the cops were busy arresting blacks over the past couple of days on the suspicion of carrying weapons. Not one of the Oath Keepers was arrested or detained to determine whether they were legally entitled to carry.

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Jayleia  Aug 12, 2015 • 7:11:23am

re: #296 The Vicious Babushka

I took that quiz, scored 14 out of 16…yes, I’m a wrestling nerd and a politics nerd too

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Teukka  Aug 12, 2015 • 7:11:44am

Is it just me, but do the Oaf Creepers give you SA (SturmAbteilung, not Salvation Army) vibes as well?

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I Stand With Planned Parenthood  Aug 12, 2015 • 7:11:48am

I so want this.
…

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I Stand With Planned Parenthood  Aug 12, 2015 • 7:12:17am

What is that phenom that can literally blame Trump if people start to commit violent crime.

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Dark_Falcon  Aug 12, 2015 • 7:13:23am

Presenting Deep Blue, a 20 feet long she is the largest Great White Shark ever filmed:

Image: 2B47A1CF00000578-0-image-m-38_1439323945719.jpg

In the image sequence seen in the article, Deep Blue is heavily pregnant, so by now she may have given birth to another shark that’ll grow to be of huge size.

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Jayleia  Aug 12, 2015 • 7:13:58am

re: #306 Teukka

Considering that some of them have iron cross tattoos…hmm…I really don’t see how you could get that vibe

//^infinity

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jamesfirecat  Aug 12, 2015 • 7:14:58am

re: #309 Dark_Falcon

Presenting Deep Blue, a 20 feet long she is the largest Great White Shark ever filmed:

Image: 2B47A1CF00000578-0-image-m-38_1439323945719.jpg

In the image sequence seen in the article, Deep Blue is heavily pregnant, so by now she may have given birth to another shark that’ll grow to be of huge size.

Who names a shark after a chess computer?

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Dark_Falcon  Aug 12, 2015 • 7:15:04am

re: #309 Dark_Falcon

Presenting Deep Blue, a 20 feet long she is the largest Great White Shark ever filmed:

Image: 2B47A1CF00000578-0-image-m-38_1439323945719.jpg

In the image sequence seen in the article, Deep Blue is heavily pregnant, so by now she may have given birth to another shark that’ll grow to be of huge size.

Donald Trump hates Deep Blue, BTW. Not only is she female, but she also ate the elephant seal who ate Obama’s real birth certificate (if you remember that photoshop pic).

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Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Aug 12, 2015 • 7:15:34am

re: #302 The Vicious Babushka

Another bogus Planned Parenthood video just dropped==>

If this one was any good we would have seen it by now. #Boring #TLdr

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Higgs Boson's Mate  Aug 12, 2015 • 7:16:28am

re: #296 The Vicious Babushka

That photo of Trump set me to thinking about how different his persona is from the standard-issue pols that have, save for Obama, dominated the process. I’m not saying that it’s good or bad or even authentic, I’m just considering how Trump might appeal to someone who doesn’t spend part of every day on a blog where everyone knows the difference between the Reconstruction and the Marshall Plan.

I’ve concluded that being the only name a person can clearly remember on election day could be enough with this electorate.

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I Stand With Planned Parenthood  Aug 12, 2015 • 7:16:37am

I haven’t payed (paid) attention to the Iran deal at all. I can’t absorb much more at this point. But, this doesn’t surprise me at all.

Head of Group Opposing Iran Accord Quits Post, Saying He Backs Deal

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Dark_Falcon  Aug 12, 2015 • 7:16:47am

re: #311 jamesfirecat

Who names a shark after a chess computer?

She’s more named after the ocean she inhabits, but she’s even more perfect than the chess program at what she does. She’s a superlatively evolved predator.

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Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Aug 12, 2015 • 7:17:10am

re: #295 The Vicious Babushka

STUPIDEST MEME OF THE DAY==>
Because any Twitter name that has “Galt” in it is TEH STUPIDS

You ask me, a Gone Galter and an outta work bum look a lotta like, Daddy.

/

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I Stand With Planned Parenthood  Aug 12, 2015 • 7:17:51am

How is everyone this day?

I’ve been so involved in my home redo project(s) I haven’t had time to properly chat.

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jamesfirecat  Aug 12, 2015 • 7:19:04am

re: #316 Dark_Falcon

She’s more named after the ocean she inhabits, but she’s even more perfect than the chess program at what she does. She’s a superlatively evolved predator.

“King’s Pawn to E4.”

(eats chess board)

(eats table)

(eats opponent)

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lawhawk  Aug 12, 2015 • 7:19:19am

re: #318 I Stand With Planned Parenthood

How is everyone this day?

I’ve been so involved in my home redo project(s) I haven’t had time to properly chat.

So home reno shaming the rest of us. Great. Thanks alot. ////

Hope the renovations are going well. :)

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 12, 2015 • 7:20:05am

Ferrata Hiking Trail, Mt. Hua Shan, China

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lawhawk  Aug 12, 2015 • 7:20:13am

re: #319 jamesfirecat

Queen jumps knight.

Queen jumps pawns.

Queen eats king. /oh behave

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Dr Lizardo  Aug 12, 2015 • 7:21:04am

re: #321 Backwoods_Sleuth

Yet another great Chinese invention - ultimate cardio workout.

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Higgs Boson's Mate  Aug 12, 2015 • 7:24:17am

re: #321 Backwoods_Sleuth

[Embedded content]

Ferrata Hiking Trail, Mt. Hua Shan, China

Using those stairs daily would enable one to know what it’s like to be a centenarian - every last time one climbed them.

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Jayleia  Aug 12, 2015 • 7:24:31am

re: #323 Dr Lizardo

And a hell of a workout for your shoulders and back too…I LIKE THAT.

But I’m weird.

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aagcobb  Aug 12, 2015 • 7:25:28am

re: #315 I Stand With Planned Parenthood

I haven’t payed (paid) attention to the Iran deal at all. I can’t absorb much more at this point. But, this doesn’t surprise me at all.

In a nutshell, in return for the international community dropping sanctions, Iran’s nuclear program will be severely restricted and subject to the toughest inspection regime a non-conquered country has ever been subjected to, which makes it virtually impossible for Iran to cheat without getting caught, in which case sanctions would snap back into place almost automatically. The deal will effectively keep Iran from building a bomb for 15-25 years. If Congress rejects a deal, our allies will drop sanctions anyway, and we will have to decide between letting Iran keep its current nuclear program intact or going to war to stop it.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 12, 2015 • 7:26:13am
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aagcobb  Aug 12, 2015 • 7:26:36am

re: #318 I Stand With Planned Parenthood

How is everyone this day?

I’ve been so involved in my home redo project(s) I haven’t had time to properly chat.

Good, first day of school for the kiddos!

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Higgs Boson's Mate  Aug 12, 2015 • 7:26:45am

re: #325 Jayleia

And a hell of a workout for your shoulders and back too…I LIKE THAT.

But I’m weird.

Beer runs would be epic.

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I Stand With Planned Parenthood  Aug 12, 2015 • 7:28:58am

re: #320 lawhawk

So home reno shaming the rest of us. Great. Thanks alot. ////

Hope the renovations are going well. :)

Yes, but the pets are very tired of it.

I’m tired of running around trying to find salvage that fits my needs.

It’s been 20 years since this house was built. It was time.

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I Stand With Planned Parenthood  Aug 12, 2015 • 7:29:42am

re: #326 aagcobb

In a nutshell, in return for the international community dropping sanctions, Iran’s nuclear program will be severely restricted and subject to the toughest inspection regime a non-conquered country has ever been subjected to, which makes it virtually impossible for Iran to cheat without getting caught, in which case sanctions would snap back into place almost automatically. The deal will effectively keep Iran from building a bomb for 15-25 years. If Congress rejects a deal, our allies will drop sanctions anyway, and we will have to decide between letting Iran keep its current nuclear program intact or going to war to stop it.

And Bibi is against it?

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I Stand With Planned Parenthood  Aug 12, 2015 • 7:30:34am

re: #321 Backwoods_Sleuth

[Embedded content]

Ferrata Hiking Trail, Mt. Hua Shan, China

Yeah, I won’t be doing that.

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Dark_Falcon  Aug 12, 2015 • 7:30:39am

I gotta go due changed plans. Have a good day, folks.

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The Vicious Babushka  Aug 12, 2015 • 7:30:46am

DIM JIM BOMBSHELL!!!!!!
So, was O’Keefe wearing a Bin Laden rubber mask or a Donald Trump wig? Or maybe both at the same time?

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danarchy  Aug 12, 2015 • 7:33:37am

re: #316 Dark_Falcon

She’s more named after the ocean she inhabits, but she’s even more perfect than the chess program at what she does. She’s a superlatively evolved predator.

Or maybe she is named after a bad movie:
Image: MV5BMTU2NzM2Mjg2Ml5BMl5BanBnXkFtZTYwNjI5Mjg5._V1_SX214_AL_.jpg

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iossarian  Aug 12, 2015 • 7:34:12am

re: #331 I Stand With Planned Parenthood

And Bibi is against it?

Created by non-far-right “enemies”.

Does not lead directly to war.

Has the appearance of giving Muslims something.

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Higgs Boson's Mate  Aug 12, 2015 • 7:34:23am

re: #334 The Vicious Babushka

IIRC, O’Keefe was caught in some sort of attempted wiretap of a Congresswoman’s office. If so, that would be more than enough to get you on any number of lists these days.

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Decatur Deb  Aug 12, 2015 • 7:34:40am

re: #311 jamesfirecat

Who names a shark after a chess computer?

Bobbing Fishers.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Aug 12, 2015 • 7:35:40am

re: #321 Backwoods_Sleuth

[Embedded content]

Ferrata Hiking Trail, Mt. Hua Shan, China

HuaShan (shan = mt, BTW) is in Shaanxi. I was in Xi’an two weeks ago, but it’s 120 km from HuaShan and I didn’t visit the mountain. It’s one of the five sacred mountains of China, and the faithful (and athletic) really do climb those steep stairs. Or you can take the cable car to the top.

I’d do the cable car.

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Decatur Deb  Aug 12, 2015 • 7:36:41am

re: #330 I Stand With Planned Parenthood

Yes, but the pets are very tired of it.

I’m tired of running around trying to find salvage that fits my needs.

It’s been 20 years since this house was built. It was time.

Do you have a good Habitat ReStore in your area? Some of them are really great for tools and materials.

habitat.org

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aagcobb  Aug 12, 2015 • 7:36:47am

re: #331 I Stand With Planned Parenthood

And Bibi is against it?

Bibi wants the US to go to war with Iran.

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zerosumgame0005  Aug 12, 2015 • 7:36:49am

re: #4 Jenner7

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Someone has not been paying much attention, Hillary gets “pressed” all the time, email server, Bills womanizing, BENGHAZI!!!!, every freaking day. She listened to you, did not seem (from the description) press her own issues and mostly agreed with your points. So what’s your problem?

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Bass Reeves  Aug 12, 2015 • 7:38:38am

Ferguson PD released a video of the shooting of Tyrone Harris. I’m not sure I understand why. The surveillance video does show Harris with a gun, but it also clearly shows people running and fleeing the scene well before he pulls his gun out, and in reaction to someone clearly not Harris. RT has a video in color and audio of the same parking lot from a different angle, and Harris himself is clearly pulling out his gun in reaction to someone else shooting. I don’t think Harris is a ‘good guy with a gun’, I just don’t understand why they release a video just to show he has a gun w/o a better explanation of what he was shooting at.

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Higgs Boson's Mate  Aug 12, 2015 • 7:39:18am

re: #338 Decatur Deb

Bobbing Fishers.

Double points for reminding me of that dumb “What do you call a guy with no arms and legs who’s thrown in the ocean?” joke genre.

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I Stand With Planned Parenthood  Aug 12, 2015 • 7:39:33am

Currently, I’m trying to design a cat walk. We have this wierd shaped indent in one of our walls. We’ve had the TV and some RTA shelves in there.

Hubby had TV bracketed to the wall. I’m going to have the wires hidden in the wall and shelving built-in below it to replace the TV stand and RTA shelving. (wood from scrap bin at builder’s supply). Well, the top of the space is angled and ends in a 45 degree angle from the wall. WTF do you do with a triangle in a home?

Our cat eats on the Kitchen counter so the dogs won’t get to his food. He has recently decided he is too old to jump to the counter anymore and we have to lift him. He has lost weight because it took is a while to figure this out.

So, I got this great idea to use the wierd triangle shaped space above the TV to build a cat shelf in which we could put his food and give him a safe place from which to antagonize the dog.

Now, I have to figure out how to get him up there. I want to incorporate the shelves at te bottom as a beginning of a stair step system for him.

Something like this. Only I want it to blend in with the shelves and woodwork so it’s not terribly obvious unless one really looks.

Since we have the new dog room under the stairs and a half-door now installed at the bottom of the stairs instead of a broken baby gate —we have a dog friendly home. I guess this can be listed as a feature on real-estate listings. Why not go ahead and add
“cat” —it would certainly help us survive any future catpocalypse.

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I Stand With Planned Parenthood  Aug 12, 2015 • 7:40:47am

re: #336 iossarian

Created by non-far-right “enemies”.

Does not lead directly to war.

Has the appearance of giving Muslims something.

Gawd, he is as unwavering and stupid as the Fundamentalist Whackos.

“Peace, when all our demands are me.”

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I Stand With Planned Parenthood  Aug 12, 2015 • 7:41:14am

re: #344 Higgs Boson’s Mate

Double points for reminding me of that dumb “What do you call a guy with no arms and legs who’s thrown in the ocean?” joke genre.

I love those jokes.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Aug 12, 2015 • 7:41:47am

re: #332 I Stand With Planned Parenthood

Yeah, I won’t be doing that.

How about this one?
…

Yeah, me neither.

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I Stand With Planned Parenthood  Aug 12, 2015 • 7:42:56am

re: #340 Decatur Deb

Do you have a good Habitat ReStore in your area? Some of them are really great for tools and materials.

habitat.org

Oh yeah and a few others of it’s type. There are some totally kewl salvage places in the City, but I haven’t made that trek. I’ve been able to find just about everything in my part of Chicagoland. I have to weigh the cost of gas and parking to the cost of buying something new.

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I Stand With Planned Parenthood  Aug 12, 2015 • 7:43:20am

re: #348 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

How about this one?
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Yeah, me neither.

Yeah, that would work better for my joints, but my balance isn’t so great.

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iossarian  Aug 12, 2015 • 7:43:21am

re: #347 I Stand With Planned Parenthood

I love those jokes.

What do you call a man with no spade on his head?

Douglas.

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I Stand With Planned Parenthood  Aug 12, 2015 • 7:43:49am

re: #351 iossarian

What do you call a man with no spade on his head?

Douglas.

a woman with no arms and no legs?

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iossarian  Aug 12, 2015 • 7:44:38am

re: #352 I Stand With Planned Parenthood

a woman with no arms and no legs?

?

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iossarian  Aug 12, 2015 • 7:45:40am

The suspense is killing me.

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I Stand With Planned Parenthood  Aug 12, 2015 • 7:45:40am

re: #353 iossarian

?

Eileen

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 12, 2015 • 7:45:47am

re: #348 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

How about this one?
[Embedded content]

Yeah, me neither.

Here’s one in France:

Via Ferrata, Aussois, France

Nope, nope, nope.

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iossarian  Aug 12, 2015 • 7:46:28am

re: #355 I Stand With Planned Parenthood

Eileen

Shouldn’t that be one leg? Or one leg shorter than the other?

What do you call a man with a seagull on his head? - Cliff.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 12, 2015 • 7:46:30am

re: #337 Higgs Boson’s Mate

IIRC, O’Keefe was caught in some sort of attempted wiretap of a Congresswoman’s office. If so, that would be more than enough to get you on any number of lists these days.

It was Senator Landrieu’s office. And he got the kiddie gloves treatment for that. The guy’s nothing more than a little right wing shithead who has never grown up or found honest work since his cosplay at ACORN. He really is pathetic. It’s no wonder why someone equally pathetic like Hoft likes him.

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The Vicious Babushka  Aug 12, 2015 • 7:46:37am
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HappyWarrior  Aug 12, 2015 • 7:46:57am

re: #356 Backwoods_Sleuth

Here’s one in France:

[Embedded content]

Nope, nope, nope.

I’ll pass.

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I Stand With Planned Parenthood  Aug 12, 2015 • 7:47:29am

On the pet front. I woke up to find one of my dogs had “the runs” in the closet on one of my husband’s shoes.

He is out-of-town.

Trying to decide how to handle this.

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The Vicious Babushka  Aug 12, 2015 • 7:48:12am

re: #361 I Stand With Planned Parenthood

On the pet front. I woke up to find one of my dogs had “the runs” in the closet on one of my husband’s shoes.

He is out-of-town.

Trying to decide how to handle this.

Throw out the shoes, buy new ones.

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Dr. Matt  Aug 12, 2015 • 7:48:17am

re: #304 lawhawk

The cops knew, but deny that they gave the Oath Keeper extremists permission to roam the streets.

I wouldn’t doubt that some of them are Oaf Keepers or are part of some other similar fringe group.

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Higgs Boson's Mate  Aug 12, 2015 • 7:48:23am

re: #347 I Stand With Planned Parenthood

I love those jokes.

The Tom Swifties of days of yore were fun too:

“I just love sailors from aircraft carriers!” she gushed enterprisingly.

“That’s the last time I’ll stick my arm in a lion’s mouth,” the lion-tamer said off-handedly.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Aug 12, 2015 • 7:48:34am

re: #361 I Stand With Planned Parenthood

On the pet front. I woke up to find one of my dogs had “the runs” in the closet on one of my husband’s shoes.

He is out-of-town.

Trying to decide how to handle this.

Zappo’s. Rush delivery.

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I Stand With Planned Parenthood  Aug 12, 2015 • 7:49:15am

re: #357 iossarian

Shouldn’t that be one leg? Or one leg shorter than the other?

What do you call a man with a seagull on his head? - Cliff.

Yeah, I’m still on my first cuppa.

Then it goes to “what do you call her if she is chinese?”

Irene.

but that never made any sense to me because the r/l thing is backwards. It still makes people laugh when you deliver it correctly.

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I Stand With Planned Parenthood  Aug 12, 2015 • 7:49:37am

re: #365 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

Zappo’s. Rush delivery.

Good Idea!!!

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I Stand With Planned Parenthood  Aug 12, 2015 • 7:51:30am

I bought one of these too! Haven’t decided if where it should be installed.

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Higgs Boson's Mate  Aug 12, 2015 • 7:52:42am

re: #366 I Stand With Planned Parenthood

I thought that it was “What do you call her if she’s Japanese?”
Then it makes sense.

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Dr. Matt  Aug 12, 2015 • 7:53:00am

Obama Hater Arrested For Vibrator Theft

An Illinois man who was caught with a stolen vibrator stashed in his boxer shorts told police that he had no idea how the device got there, according to a police report that notes the suspect later stripped naked in a holding cell while making “derogatory comments about President Obama.”

[…]

After being given a Miranda rights consent form, Hucko signed his name as “Obama is a criminal” on the document.

Hucko, whose rap sheet includes multiple larceny arrests, was charged with retail theft, pot possession, and possession of drug paraphernalia, all misdemeanors.

Sounds like a Trump supporter.

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The Vicious Babushka  Aug 12, 2015 • 7:53:08am

STUPIDEST TWEET OF THE DAY==>

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I Stand With Planned Parenthood  Aug 12, 2015 • 7:54:37am

I love this type of graphic. Perspective is a great thing.

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jamesfirecat  Aug 12, 2015 • 7:55:29am

re: #371 The Vicious Babushka

STUPIDEST TWEET OF THE DAY==>

[Embedded content]

Really? That’s the stupidest one we’re going to see today? I mean at least the internal logic of it hangs together a lot better than most of the ones I’ve seen from him…

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Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Aug 12, 2015 • 7:55:40am

re: #371 The Vicious Babushka

STUPIDEST TWEET OF THE DAY==>

That’s pretty doofy even for Ben.

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The Vicious Babushka  Aug 12, 2015 • 7:56:28am

re: #373 jamesfirecat

Really? That’s the stupidest one we’re going to see today? I mean at least the internal logic of it hangs together a lot better than most of the ones I’ve seen from him…

It is early yet. THEIR WILL BE MOAR STUPIDS.

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iossarian  Aug 12, 2015 • 7:57:12am

re: #366 I Stand With Planned Parenthood

Yeah, I’m still on my first cuppa.

Then it goes to “what do you call her if she is chinese?”

Irene.

but that never made any sense to me because the r/l thing is backwards. It still makes people laugh when you deliver it correctly.

thatsracist.gif

but I lol’d anyway.

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Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Aug 12, 2015 • 7:57:35am

re: #334 The Vicious Babushka

DIM JIM BOMBSHELL!!!!!!
So, was O’Keefe wearing a Bin Laden rubber mask or a Donald Trump wig? Or maybe both at the same time?

SHOCK VIDEO!!!!

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iossarian  Aug 12, 2015 • 7:58:21am

re: #371 The Vicious Babushka

STUPIDEST TWEET OF THE DAY==>

[Embedded content]

So Ben is a sufficiently colossal douche that if a close family member came out as gay, he would refuse to acknowledge that person’s partner.

Good to know.

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I Stand With Planned Parenthood  Aug 12, 2015 • 7:59:03am
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HappyWarrior  Aug 12, 2015 • 7:59:11am

So, an Irishman is at his favorite bar. He meets another Irishman to his delight and says “Let’s do a round.” He asks the man where he’s from in the old county. They’re both from the same county, another round on him. Then he finds out they’re from the same town Oh another round. And then they find out they attended the same school. Another round. A regular walks in and asks the bartender what’s going on?

Click to Reveal

Oh nothing the McNulty twins are drunk again.

An Irish guy goes to a pub and orders a few pints just for himself. The bartender asks him, “Why three pints?” He explains that he has a brother in the states and another in Australia. He returns to the pub and regularly does this for about a month or so. Eventually he only orders two pints. The bartender offers the man his condolences and inquires to which brother it was that died but the man responds

Click to Reveal

Oh my brothers are fine, I’ve just quit drinking

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HappyWarrior  Aug 12, 2015 • 7:59:35am

re: #370 Dr. Matt

Obama Hater Arrested For Vibrator Theft

Sounds like a Trump supporter.

Probably his state activities chairman.

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Iwouldprefernotto  Aug 12, 2015 • 7:59:39am

re: #378 iossarian

So Ben is a sufficiently colossal douche that if a close family member came out as gay, he would refuse to acknowledge that person’s partner.

Good to know.

Someone needs to explain to Ben that Homosexualtiy and abortion are not contagious.

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The Vicious Babushka  Aug 12, 2015 • 8:02:01am

re: #382 Iwouldprefernotto

Someone needs to explain to Ben that Homosexualtiy and abortion are not contagious.

Also, people don’t invite friends and family to abortions like they do to weddings.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 12, 2015 • 8:02:03am

re: #371 The Vicious Babushka

STUPIDEST TWEET OF THE DAY==>

[Embedded content]

That’s okay, Ben, I doubt they would want you there anyhow because you would get drunk and say homophobic crap during the ceremony. Seriously though that’s pathetic even for him and he makes his living being a pathetic troll.

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I Stand With Planned Parenthood  Aug 12, 2015 • 8:02:54am
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lawhawk  Aug 12, 2015 • 8:03:00am

re: #339 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

HuaShan (shan = mt, BTW) is in Shaanxi. I was in Xi’an two weeks ago, but it’s 120 km from HuaShan and I didn’t visit the mountain. It’s one of the five sacred mountains of China, and the faithful (and athletic) really do climb those steep stairs. Or you can take the cable car to the top.

I’d do the cable car.

The closest I’ve come to doing anything approaching that kind of hike was to climb Masada up the Snake Path for sunrise. Of course, I was 20 something at the time, and did it almost at a run (900 feet vertical in about 30 minutes). When I was there with the Mrs. a few years ago, we hiked down, and it took much longer. Took the cable car going up (part of a tour group).

When we go back eventually, I think we’d try to hike up for sunrise.

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blueraven  Aug 12, 2015 • 8:03:01am

Now why would anyone want to stop O’Keefe at any border crossing? ///

Besides the idiotic Bin Laden guise on the Rio Grande, there is this crap.

…

In the short gonzo documentary, O’Keefe meets up with a ‘terrorist’ who has hired a boat to bring him from Ontario to the middle of Lake Erie. The two exchange pleasantries as the pretend jihadi transfers to O’Keefe’s American-piloted craft.

‘On August 17 we stole Ebola from a lab in Liberia,’ he says in the script. ‘We took he bandages and the bedsheets and then we covered ourselves in it and hoped that we’d get infected.

‘The incubation period is about 21 days, and it’s been about-21 days.’

O’Keefe, a confirmed rabble-rousing video activist, last made national noise in August with a video showing how an Islamist terrorist-dressed as Osama bin Laden, no less-could wade across the Rio Grande River from Mexico to the U.S. without being detected.

‘We went to Texas and saw little border security,’ he told MailOnline on Monday; ‘now we’ve discovered there’s even less border security on the Canadian border.’

His jihadi character in this latest video also carries with him a container marked ‘ricin.’

Playing the part to the hilt, the actor points to a fresh-water intake port that serves the Cleveland, Ohio metropolitan area, and tells O’Keefe, ‘The water supply is over there. If we put it in there, it will kill a lot of Americans.

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Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Aug 12, 2015 • 8:03:15am

re: #371 The Vicious Babushka

STUPIDEST TWEET OF THE DAY==>

The Ben Doll. You say anything and it says SSM! abortion!1

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jamesfirecat  Aug 12, 2015 • 8:03:48am

re: #383 The Vicious Babushka

Also, people don’t invite friends and family to abortions like they do to weddings.

///Well there goes my plan for starting a company to provide musical bands and catering for abortions then….

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HappyWarrior  Aug 12, 2015 • 8:04:00am

re: #378 iossarian

So Ben is a sufficiently colossal douche that if a close family member came out as gay, he would refuse to acknowledge that person’s partner.

Good to know.

Just more of Ben’s “pro-family agenda.” But as VB said attending an abortion is uh a wee bit different from attending a wedding. Really, he really is a sad little man. How sad it must be to more reactionary than most even really old people about gays in your early 30’s already.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 12, 2015 • 8:04:26am

re: #385 I Stand With Planned Parenthood

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Ha Sikh owned.

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lawhawk  Aug 12, 2015 • 8:04:52am

Ummm, no. He’s not. He really is that clueless and logic-free.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 12, 2015 • 8:04:59am

so…UpChuck sucked up to Trump with a rant about Megyn.
donotlink.com

At the top of the nonsense he says:

Updated: I wrote some of the post and realized upon reflection that some of it was probably a touch mean. I’ve since edited it a touch.

UpChuck really doesn’t like wimmenz:

Trump, who is famous for hosting beauty pageants, likes women. He likes attractive women and he isn’t shy about letting the world know that he likes them. He’s not only proud of it; he’s built an empire of promoting beautiful and attractive ladies. Trump is an alpha male in a Republican Party that increasingly dislikes or distrusts alphas.

Sure, he has said nasty things to women who have been nasty to him. These include Rosie O’Donnell, Arianna Huffington, and a few others. Were some of those comments mean? Sure but every one of those bitches deserved it. Feminism doesn’t mean you get a right to smack a man in the court of opinion without recourse.

Keeping it classy, he is…

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I Stand With Planned Parenthood  Aug 12, 2015 • 8:05:09am
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HappyWarrior  Aug 12, 2015 • 8:05:32am

re: #392 lawhawk

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Ummm, no. He’s not. He really is that clueless and logic-free.

And you dude are the guy who compares modern liberals to fascists, you both ain’t particularly smart.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 12, 2015 • 8:05:48am

re: #394 I Stand With Planned Parenthood

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Clinton should have never fired her as SG.

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Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Aug 12, 2015 • 8:06:03am

re: #393 Backwoods_Sleuth

so…UpChuck sucked up to Trump with a rant about Megyn.
donotlink.com

At the top of the nonsense he says:

UpChuck really doesn’t like wimmenz:

Keeping it classy, he is…

Can’t believe such a fine gentleman, and award-winning journalist at that, and an alpha male, got banned from Twitter.

//

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HappyWarrior  Aug 12, 2015 • 8:06:33am

re: #393 Backwoods_Sleuth

so…UpChuck sucked up to Trump with a rant about Megyn.
donotlink.com

At the top of the nonsense he says:

UpChuck really doesn’t like wimmenz:

Keeping it classy, he is…

He really does. Nasty little troll of a man.

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The Vicious Babushka  Aug 12, 2015 • 8:07:43am

That got Ben’s attention

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The Vicious Babushka  Aug 12, 2015 • 8:09:12am

FFS Ben’s analogy fails because NOBODY celebrates abortions or invites friends to attend a party.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 12, 2015 • 8:09:12am

re: #399 The Vicious Babushka

That got Ben’s attention

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Man he’s awfully high on his horse. Come down Cowboy Ben. Seriously, this guy is just sad.

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I Stand With Planned Parenthood  Aug 12, 2015 • 8:10:07am

hmmmmm

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Timothy Watson  Aug 12, 2015 • 8:10:24am

re: #371 The Vicious Babushka

STUPIDEST TWEET OF THE DAY==>

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Abortion is murder according to wingnuts, does that mean that gay marriage is like abortion and also like murder?

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bratwurst  Aug 12, 2015 • 8:10:45am
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The Vicious Babushka  Aug 12, 2015 • 8:11:20am

Ben’s doubling down on his derp

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I Stand With Planned Parenthood  Aug 12, 2015 • 8:11:36am

re: #403 Timothy Watson

Abortion is murder according to wingnuts, does that mean that gay marriage is like abortion and also like murder?

Anything that does not result in a child is a sin, I guess.

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I Stand With Planned Parenthood  Aug 12, 2015 • 8:11:58am

re: #405 The Vicious Babushka

Ben’s doubling down on his derp

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correlation does not be causation

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HappyWarrior  Aug 12, 2015 • 8:12:12am

re: #405 The Vicious Babushka

Ben’s doubling down on his derp

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Fine Ben, you’re like what comes out of my asshole when I have too much Chipolte. I didn’t call you a piece of shit, I said you were like one.//

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I Stand With Planned Parenthood  Aug 12, 2015 • 8:13:22am

Remember the video —-I can’t remember what state (montana?)

The city board meeting where the guy wanted to make sure everyone knew exactly how gay men had sex? He seemed to think it was shocking news that everyone didn’t know—and should be informed so they could be as homophobic as he was.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 12, 2015 • 8:14:29am

re: #409 I Stand With Planned Parenthood

Remember the video —-I can’t remember what state (montana?)

The city board meeting where the guy wanted to make sure everyone knew exactly how gay men had sex? He seemed to think it was shocking news that everyone didn’t know—and should be informed so they could be as homophobic as he was.

Now that reminds me of the anti-gay preacher in Uganda who was showing hardcore gay pornography to his congregation as a way of stirring up their anti gay hate.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 12, 2015 • 8:14:51am

Ben Shapiro: The oldest 31 year old you know.

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Timothy Watson  Aug 12, 2015 • 8:14:52am

re: #409 I Stand With Planned Parenthood

Remember the video —-I can’t remember what state (montana?)

The city board meeting where the guy wanted to make sure everyone knew exactly how gay men had sex? He seemed to think it was shocking news that everyone didn’t know—and should be informed so they could be as homophobic as he was.

Christian “missionaries” (homophobes) like to play gay porn in Africa at events to gin up homophobia.

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The Vicious Babushka  Aug 12, 2015 • 8:14:53am

Ben got pwn3d and he’s butthurt over it

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Decatur Deb  Aug 12, 2015 • 8:15:50am

re: #409 I Stand With Planned Parenthood

Remember the video —-I can’t remember what state (montana?)

The city board meeting where the guy wanted to make sure everyone knew exactly how gay men had sex? He seemed to think it was shocking news that everyone didn’t know—and should be informed so they could be as homophobic as he was.

Wasn’t a guy, was a Church Lady type with weird diction.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 12, 2015 • 8:15:59am

re: #413 The Vicious Babushka

Ben got pwn3d and he’s butthurt over it

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That’s adorable. He thinks Jonah Goldberg is intelligent.

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lawhawk  Aug 12, 2015 • 8:16:41am
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HappyWarrior  Aug 12, 2015 • 8:17:40am

re: #412 Timothy Watson

Christian “missionaries” (homophobes) like to play gay porn in Africa at events to gin up homophobia.

That was on the VICE documentary about UGanda. They also claim gays are child molesters. The sad thing as the documentary showed, it seems to be working with the kids. I hope HRC and other gay advocacy groups are taking the fight abroad becaues the homophobes sure have been.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 12, 2015 • 8:18:25am

re: #416 lawhawk

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A constant of Boehner’s speakership yet due to Gerrymandering, he’s still going to be Speaker for a while.

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Timothy Watson  Aug 12, 2015 • 8:19:16am

re: #410 HappyWarrior

Blah, beat me by 23 seconds!

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Iwouldprefernotto  Aug 12, 2015 • 8:20:51am

re: #418 HappyWarrior

A constant of Boehner’s speakership yet due to Gerrymandering, he’s still going to be Speaker for a while.

But the Gerrymandering also works against him. It allows conservative wackos to stay in power. Many of these wackos believe that Mr. Speaker is not conservative enough.

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Eventual Carrion  Aug 12, 2015 • 8:21:06am

re: #341 aagcobb

Bibi wants the US to go to war with Iran.

He thought us going to war with Iraq was a good idea too. He doesn’t have a good track record running our foreign policy.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 12, 2015 • 8:21:23am

re: #419 Timothy Watson

Blah, beat me by 23 seconds!

Not really, you brought up the missionary. The preacher I was talking about was a native Ugandan, I keep on thinking about an early Louie episode where a gay comic tells Louie and the other straight comics that he probably talks about gay sex more with them than his gay friends.

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boxhead  Aug 12, 2015 • 8:21:45am

re: #258 Dark_Falcon

So you’d have gotten into a fight, likely on camera, with two women? That would not have ended well for you and just by saying that you come across as a silly “Internet Tough Guy”.

Stopping someone from stealing a mic does not have to end in a fight. I would just not let them have it. If they used force first, they would be arrested.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 12, 2015 • 8:22:00am

re: #420 Iwouldprefernotto

But the Gerrymandering also works against him. It allows conservative wackos to stay in power. Many of these wackos believe that Mr. Speaker is not conservative enough.

That is the bargain with Earl Grey that Boehner signed when he signed up for this and continued to enable them.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 12, 2015 • 8:23:10am

re: #421 Eventual Carrion

He thought us going to war with Iraq was a good idea too. He doesn’t have a good track record running our foreign policy.

Yeah if Bibi is saying we’re wrong about something on FP, I don’t ever want to make it an article of faith but Bibi’s been wrong a lot more often than he’s been right about crucial FP decisions and yep Iraq was one of them.

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I Stand With Planned Parenthood  Aug 12, 2015 • 8:23:36am
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HappyWarrior  Aug 12, 2015 • 8:25:08am

re: #426 I Stand With Planned Parenthood

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When you listen to Cruz speak it’s well to notice that he only talks about Christians. Now compare that with President Obama who talks about Christians, Muslims, Jews, other groups, and even acknowledges non-believers and skeptics.

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I Stand With Planned Parenthood  Aug 12, 2015 • 8:25:44am

I’D CALL THIS RAPE.

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Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Aug 12, 2015 • 8:26:22am

re: #413 The Vicious Babushka

Ben got pwn3d and he’s butthurt over it

I iz the only smarter people here who knows about the nalogies and equalities.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 12, 2015 • 8:27:17am

re: #429 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse

I iz the only smarter people here who knows about the nalogies and equalities.

How the hell did he ever get by in Harvard being such a dickhead to everyone?

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I Stand With Planned Parenthood  Aug 12, 2015 • 8:29:08am
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I Stand With Planned Parenthood  Aug 12, 2015 • 8:30:29am

re: #427 HappyWarrior

When you listen to Cruz speak it’s well to notice that he only talks about Christians. Now compare that with President Obama who talks about Christians, Muslims, Jews, other groups, and even acknowledges non-believers and skeptics.

Everyone else isn’t human to him. They have no rights, no soul. I guess their votes are null and void as well.

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Teukka  Aug 12, 2015 • 8:30:31am

re: #428 I Stand With Planned Parenthood

I’D CALL THIS RAPE.

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This’d be rape if it happened in Sweden, and most likely aggravated such.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 12, 2015 • 8:30:46am

Speaking of homophobes though, in a way I do appreciate Ben’s honesty in that he doesn’t try to hide behind claiming as I see many homophobes do that “they hate the lifestyle and the sin but not the sinner” crap. He’s pretty much open that he despises gay people and would be a dick to a gay relative because he hates gay people that much.

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I Stand With Planned Parenthood  Aug 12, 2015 • 8:31:11am

re: #414 Decatur Deb

Wasn’t a guy, was a Church Lady type with weird diction.

No, it was a guy. maybe in his 30’s. Dark hair —lilly white skin.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 12, 2015 • 8:31:17am

re: #432 I Stand With Planned Parenthood

Everyone else isn’t human to him. They have no rights, no soul. I guess their votes are null and void as well.

DSCC needs to target his kooky ass in 2018. Senator Castro please.

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I Stand With Planned Parenthood  Aug 12, 2015 • 8:33:27am

re: #434 HappyWarrior

Speaking of homophobes though, in a way I do appreciate Ben’s honesty in that he doesn’t try to hide behind claiming as I see many homophobes do that “they hate the lifestyle and the sin but not the sinner” crap. He’s pretty much open that he despises gay people and would be a dick to a gay relative because he hates gay people that much.

This is the RC Church stance. God made you exactly as he wants you. Being homosexual isn’t a sin —homosexual acts are.

I think that is the epitome of a rhetorical hair spit by a razor.

Let’s just tie ourselves in knots trying to make reality fit our fantasy —shall we?

It’s seems to be profitable —- nice gig —gold throne and all.

gah!

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I Stand With Planned Parenthood  Aug 12, 2015 • 8:34:17am

re: #431 I Stand With Planned Parenthood

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Why is this such a difficult concept?

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HappyWarrior  Aug 12, 2015 • 8:34:32am

re: #437 I Stand With Planned Parenthood

This is the RC Church stance. God made you exactly as he wants you. Being homosexual isn’t a sin —homosexual acts are.

I think that is the epitome of a rhetorical hair spit by a razor.

Let’s just tie ourselves in knots trying to make reality fit our fantasy —shall we?

It’s seems to be profitable —- nice gig —gold throne and all.

gah!

I’ve seen other groups use it too but yeah it’s the old “hate the sin, love the sinner.”

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I Stand With Planned Parenthood  Aug 12, 2015 • 8:35:49am

re: #376 iossarian

thatsracist.gif

but I lol’d anyway.

The menu at my local chinese restaurant says “Fried Lice”.

I kid you not.

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I Stand With Planned Parenthood  Aug 12, 2015 • 8:39:16am

re: #435 I Stand With Planned Parenthood

No, it was a guy. maybe in his 30’s. Dark hair —lilly white skin.

He talked about “sperm ejaculated into the rectum” like he was going to vomit while said it.

Shocking!!!! shocking I tell you!

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I Stand With Planned Parenthood  Aug 12, 2015 • 8:40:32am

…

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danarchy  Aug 12, 2015 • 8:44:16am

re: #440 I Stand With Planned Parenthood

The menu at my local chinese restaurant says “Fried Lice”.

I kid you not.

I went to a Chinese buffet once that for some reason had a tray of chicken nuggets at the buffet, I assume for little kids. Unfortunately, they had labeled them “Chicken Nuts”.

I passed…

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I Stand With Planned Parenthood  Aug 12, 2015 • 8:48:23am

This needs to go viral as “Cop rapes Black Woman”

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Teukka  Aug 12, 2015 • 8:48:41am

re: #443 danarchy

I went to a Chinese buffet once that for some reason had a tray of chicken nuggets at the buffet, I assume for little kids. Unfortunately, they had labeled them “Chicken Nuts”.

I passed…

Meh.

Try this everyday food in Nordic countries…Fish balls.
I’ve gotten some mileage out of it when people ask how they’re made, and I tell them that we stalk the fish, then *snikt* *snikt*.

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I Stand With Planned Parenthood  Aug 12, 2015 • 8:49:46am

re: #444 I Stand With Planned Parenthood

This needs to go viral as “Cop rapes Black Woman”

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“Traffic Cop Publically Rapes Black Woman”

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sagehen  Aug 12, 2015 • 8:49:50am

re: #280 Bass Reeves

The weirdest thing to me about the Oathkeepers in Ferguson is that they aren’t actually supposed to be about maintaining law and order. Their bag is supposed to be fighting tyrannical government, not quelling ‘riots’. Or, y’know, so they say. So why have they shown up in Ferguson twice now to protect businesses and a reporter from people who have a legitimate grievance against their local government?

Silly question.

Because the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances, was only ever intended for *some* people.

The founders who wrote that Amendment certainly never intended it to apply to people who had no rights at all until the 14th was passed. They were all dead by then, and would have been shocked, shocked I say, at the thought it might be for *everybody*.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 12, 2015 • 8:51:41am

re: #445 Teukka

Meh.

Try this everyday food in Nordic countries…Fish balls.
I’ve gotten some mileage out of it when people ask how they’re made, and I tell them that we stalk the fish, then *snikt* *snikt*.

I’ve had those before. They’re quite good actually. I do like any good American though prefer them breaded.

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I Stand With Planned Parenthood  Aug 12, 2015 • 8:52:03am

re: #448 HappyWarrior

I’ve had those before. They’re quite good actually.

TMI

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Teukka  Aug 12, 2015 • 8:52:22am

re: #448 HappyWarrior

I’ve had those before. They’re quite good actually.

Indeed they are. Especially the salmon ones.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 12, 2015 • 8:52:44am

re: #449 I Stand With Planned Parenthood

TMI

Don’t knock until you’ve tried. What I had actually reminded me a bit of crab cakes. Had a nice sweet chili sauce with it.

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I Stand With Planned Parenthood  Aug 12, 2015 • 8:53:24am

Cooler again today, but like yesterday it felt no different —humidity does me in.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 12, 2015 • 8:53:26am

re: #450 Teukka

Indeed they are. Especially the salmon ones.

I had some in Dublin my first time in Ireland. Don’t know what kind of fish it was since it was gosh over six years ago already but they were.

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I Stand With Planned Parenthood  Aug 12, 2015 • 8:56:42am
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Teukka  Aug 12, 2015 • 8:56:52am

re: #449 I Stand With Planned Parenthood

TMI

It’s not literarly made from the balls of fishes, that’s just the in joke for us Nordics :P
It’s made of ground fish (like ground beef, only fish) and milk and some other stuff.
I would recommend the salmon fish balls for beginners. The “Abba” brand has various sauces, such as cheese, lemon and crab.
Traditionally, fishballs are served with (mashed) potatos, but rice works just as well.

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The Vicious Babushka  Aug 12, 2015 • 8:59:12am

re: #455 Teukka

It’s not literarly made from the balls of fishes, that’s just the in joke for us Nordics :P
It’s made of ground fish (like ground beef, only fish) and milk and some other stuff.
I would recommend the salmon fish balls for beginners. The “Abba” brand has various sauces, such as cheese, lemon and crab.
Traditionally, fishballs are served with (mashed) potatos, but rice works just as well.

So, kind of like gefilte fish.

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I Stand With Planned Parenthood  Aug 12, 2015 • 9:00:03am

re: #455 Teukka

It’s not literarly made from the balls of fishes, that’s just the in joke for us Nordics :P
It’s made of ground fish (like ground beef, only fish) and milk and some other stuff.
I would recommend the salmon fish balls for beginners. The “Abba” brand has various sauces, such as cheese, lemon and crab.
Traditionally, fishballs are served with (mashed) potatos, but rice works just as well.

I is just as disgusting —anyway, I was being sarcastic.

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Csarneson  Aug 12, 2015 • 9:00:45am

re: #261 Bass Reeves

I appreciate your perspective Bass and the unequal way that our country treats its citizens certainly needs to be changed. Where we disagree is the best way to accomplish that. There are two primary options:
1) Rage - Get louder, ruder, angrier, and destructive. This is the approach the GOP is taking as well. The GOP is failing miserably and I think the BLM group will ultimately fail as well or at least make slower progress than they could have. This is the approach the palestinians took for several decades before finally becoming more mainstream lately and making progress. I’d be shocked if there was not a two-state solution in the next couple years now that they have the majority of the world’s support. If these rage and hostage-taking tactics don’t fail outright they are certainly marginalizing themselves and setting back their cause until the next generation
2) Constant civility and rational pressure - painting your group as sympathetic figures. This is the approach that seems to work again and again for groups. They gain friends and convince the entire population that their requests are reasonable and rational. Ultimately the large and broad coalition of people can put far more pressure for change than a few marginalized people who are easy to dismiss as radicals.

You appear to be willing to support option #1. I suggest they should pursue option #2. Turning your sympathetic allies into those that will dismiss you seems like an extremely unwise choice.

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I Stand With Planned Parenthood  Aug 12, 2015 • 9:03:39am

re: #412 Timothy Watson

Christian “missionaries” (homophobes) like to play gay porn in Africa at events to gin up homophobia.

Like Reefer Madness?

While sex can be addictive and therefore a vice —it is non-the-less part of a life.

The continuing meme of “homosexual acts” as a vice is wearing thin.

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Teukka  Aug 12, 2015 • 9:04:09am

re: #456 The Vicious Babushka

So, kind of like gefilte fish.

You could call it a Nordic variation on the same theme as gefilte fish, yes.

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iossarian  Aug 12, 2015 • 9:04:34am

re: #444 I Stand With Planned Parenthood

This needs to go viral as “Cop rapes Black Woman”

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What. The. Fuck.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 12, 2015 • 9:05:33am

re: #459 I Stand With Planned Parenthood

Like Reefer Madness?

While sex can be addictive and therefore a vice —it is non-the-less part of a life.

The continuing meme of “homosexual acts” as a vice is wearing thin.

I always found “the homosexual lifestyle” pretty lame too. Oh you mean they date? they try to find jobs? They like to travel and have fun. Really, most gay people are like most straight people, quite ordinary people.

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I Stand With Planned Parenthood  Aug 12, 2015 • 9:08:10am
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Lidane  Aug 12, 2015 • 9:08:56am

Oh, of course:

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lawhawk  Aug 12, 2015 • 9:09:19am

re: #463 I Stand With Planned Parenthood

The stupid is strong with that one.

Since when does an arrest mean that it’s acceptable to sexually assault a person?

It’s excessive force plain and simple.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Aug 12, 2015 • 9:09:50am

re: #409 I Stand With Planned Parenthood

Remember the video —-I can’t remember what state (montana?)

The city board meeting where the guy wanted to make sure everyone knew exactly how gay men had sex? He seemed to think it was shocking news that everyone didn’t know—and should be informed so they could be as homophobic as he was.

Homophobes often have an unhealthy level of obsession with the mechanics of gay sex, and somehow think that we should all agree with their homophobia on that account. But I’ve seen some of these folks in person, or in pictures, and honestly the thought of gay sex is less disturbing than the thought of straight sex with them involved. Eeeeeww….

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I Stand With Planned Parenthood  Aug 12, 2015 • 9:09:57am
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Blind Frog Belly White  Aug 12, 2015 • 9:10:18am

re: #464 Lidane

Oh, of course:

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Wait, so they can’t eat shrimp, either?

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Dr. Matt  Aug 12, 2015 • 9:10:50am

re: #464 Lidane

According to Pat Robertson, Levitical laws apply to gay people but no one else t.co
— Right Wing Watch (@RightWingWatch) August 12, 2015

So Teh Gays can’t eat shellfish, can’t cut their hair or beards, and can’t get tattoos either?! That sucks

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Eventual Carrion  Aug 12, 2015 • 9:11:08am

re: #463 I Stand With Planned Parenthood

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He enjoys the rectal exams he gets when he blows through a red light.

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I Stand With Planned Parenthood  Aug 12, 2015 • 9:11:30am
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Jayleia  Aug 12, 2015 • 9:11:39am

re: #458 Csarneson

I see your point, but at the same time, unless people are demanding attention for a problem, people that are otherwise sympathetic will tend to minimize it.

“You can put up with it a bit longer, we’re almost to our (mostly my, but you do support me, so thanks) goal, then we can all go to work on your problem”

Maybe being loud drives away some allies…but being loud is often the only way to make sure that they are YOUR allies, as much as you are their allies.

The T part of LGBT is very, VERY familiar with that problem.

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I Stand With Planned Parenthood  Aug 12, 2015 • 9:11:49am

re: #470 Eventual Carrion

He enjoys the rectal exams he gets when he blows through a red light.

blocked.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 12, 2015 • 9:12:22am

re: #464 Lidane

Oh, of course:

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As someone with three tattoos, I love seeing anti-gay people get the anti-gay Levitcus verse. Morons.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Aug 12, 2015 • 9:12:49am

re: #467 I Stand With Planned Parenthood

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Note the cop CLAIMED to have smelled weed. No burning joint in evidence, just the claim of smelling it. And with that claim, you violate a citizen in public? If that’s legal, it needs to be made ILlegal post haste.

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iossarian  Aug 12, 2015 • 9:12:57am

re: #470 Eventual Carrion

He enjoys the rectal exams he gets when he blows through a red light.

The forced penetrations are just for the blah people.

It’s not worth engaging with these people. Hopefully the pendulum swings to electing non-dumbasses and people like Matthew Curley Jr eventually become irrelevant.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 12, 2015 • 9:13:03am

re: #467 I Stand With Planned Parenthood

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The cop said he smelled weed, he didn’t see weed.
Given what marijuana smells like these days, she could just as easily run her car over a dead skunk in the road before the cop stopped her.

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I Stand With Planned Parenthood  Aug 12, 2015 • 9:13:07am

re: #467 I Stand With Planned Parenthood

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You all will have to continue with this guy if you want.

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blueraven  Aug 12, 2015 • 9:13:39am

re: #458 Csarneson

I appreciate your perspective Bass and the unequal way that our country treats its citizens certainly needs to be changed. Where we disagree is the best way to accomplish that. There are two primary options:
1) Rage - Get louder, ruder, angrier, and destructive. This is the approach the GOP is taking as well. The GOP is failing miserably and I think the BLM group will ultimately fail as well or at least make slower progress than they could have. This is the approach the palestinians took for several decades before finally becoming more mainstream lately and making progress. I’d be shocked if there was not a two-state solution in the next couple years now that they have the majority of the world’s support. If these rage and hostage-taking tactics don’t fail outright they are certainly marginalizing themselves and setting back their cause until the next generation
2) Constant civility and rational pressure - painting your group as sympathetic figures. This is the approach that seems to work again and again for groups. They gain friends and convince the entire population that their requests are reasonable and rational. Ultimately the large and broad coalition of people can put far more pressure for change than a few marginalized people who are easy to dismiss as radicals.

You appear to be willing to support option #1. I suggest they should pursue option #2. Turning your sympathetic allies into those that will dismiss you seems like an extremely unwise choice.

When you are being killed in the street, you dont have time to think about “ultimately”.
Do you not understand the urgency here?

Look, I am not a fan of the Seattle group tactics either, but your equating this to other movements for “rights” is not getting it. This is literally a fight for life and death.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 12, 2015 • 9:15:21am

re: #472 Jayleia

I see your point, but at the same time, unless people are demanding attention for a problem, people that are otherwise sympathetic will tend to minimize it.

“You can put up with it a bit longer, we’re almost to our (mostly my, but you do support me, so thanks) goal, then we can all go to work on your problem”

Maybe being loud drives away some allies…but being loud is often the only way to make sure that they are YOUR allies, as much as you are their allies.

The T part of LGBT is very, VERY familiar with that problem.

I agree with this and I will add that there has been a lot of civility. And people like Deray still get called race hustlers or whatever the slur du jour from NRO has for people who actually care about civil and human rights.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 12, 2015 • 9:15:59am

re: #475 Blind Frog Belly White

Note the cop CLAIMED to have smelled weed. No burning joint in evidence, just the claim of smelling it. And with that claim, you violate a citizen in public? If that’s legal, it needs to be made ILlegal post haste.

That cop needs to spend some time in jail.

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Lidane  Aug 12, 2015 • 9:16:00am

ROFL. Someone has seen his poll numbers and is lashing out:

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I Stand With Planned Parenthood  Aug 12, 2015 • 9:16:20am

re: #479 blueraven

When you are being killed in the street, you dont have time to think about “ultimately”.
Do you not understand the urgency here?

Look I am not a fan of the Seattle group tactics either, but your equating this to other movements for “rights” is not getting it. This is literally a fight for life and death.

Rage —yes, I feel rage.

I am not legally a human being with civil rights in much of this world. When politicans in my own country work to dehumanize me I get angry. They want my money, they want my votes.

rape, pregnancy and childbirth are matters of life and death.

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Higgs Boson's Mate  Aug 12, 2015 • 9:17:12am

re: #475 Blind Frog Belly White

Note the cop CLAIMED to have smelled weed. No burning joint in evidence, just the claim of smelling it. And with that claim, you violate a citizen in public? If that’s legal, it needs to be made ILlegal post haste.

That claim caught my eye. Any cop can claim to have thought they smelled marijuana and then it’s open season on the Fourth Amendment.

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Teukka  Aug 12, 2015 • 9:17:24am

re: #474 HappyWarrior

As someone with three tattoos, I love seeing anti-gay people get the anti-gay Levitcus verse. Morons.

Speaking of Leviticus, reminds me of a convo I had with an RWNJ the other day…
I asked him if he knew that he wasn’t allowed to cuss at the deaf or putting stumbling blocks before the blind.
“There is no such law! And if there was, it’s probably some bullshit some bleeding-heart liberal came up with!”
Then I slam him with thus:

Click to Reveal

Lev 19:14 (KJV) “Thou shalt not curse the deaf, nor put a stumblingblock before the blind, but shalt fear thy God: I am the LORD.

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lawhawk  Aug 12, 2015 • 9:17:58am

re: #482 Lidane

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Teukka  Aug 12, 2015 • 9:18:38am

re: #485 Teukka

He ended the thing with lashing out at me with expletives and namecalling on a level which got him banned from the chat channel.

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lawhawk  Aug 12, 2015 • 9:18:53am

re: #485 Teukka

The ADA is biblical. /heh

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I Stand With Planned Parenthood  Aug 12, 2015 • 9:18:58am

re: #477 Backwoods_Sleuth

The cop said he smelled weed, he didn’t see weed.
Given what marijuana smells like these days, she could just as easily run her car over a dead skunk in the road before the cop stopped her.

I’d like to see a record of this cops (every cop in the juristiction) record of cavity searches and his examples of probably cause.

I think we’d see a lot of actual drug arrests of non-vunerable citizens without cavity searches. If the person seems as though they can lawyer-up vs. those that don’t.

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Teukka  Aug 12, 2015 • 9:19:31am

re: #488 lawhawk

The ADA is biblical. /heh

Yeah. Who would’ve guessed? :D

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#FergusonFireside  Aug 12, 2015 • 9:21:10am

re: #465 lawhawk

The stupid is strong with that one.

Since when does an arrest mean that it’s acceptable to sexually assault a person?

It’s excessive force plain and simple.

Fascist thinking.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 12, 2015 • 9:21:12am

re: #485 Teukka

Speaking of Leviticus, reminds me of a convo I had with an RWNJ the other day…
I asked him if I knew that he wasn’t allowed to cuss at the deaf or putting stumbling blocks before the blind.
“There is no such law! And if there was, it’s probably some bullshit some bleeding-heart liberal came up with!”
Then I slam him with thus:

[Embedded content]

They are like the liberal Christians they condemn- selectively using the Bible. The difference is liberal Christians don’t think the Bible should be the basis for our legal framework.

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BeachDem  Aug 12, 2015 • 9:21:19am

re: #477 Backwoods_Sleuth

The cop said he smelled weed, he didn’t see weed.
Given what marijuana smells like these days, she could just as easily run her car over a dead skunk in the road before the cop stopped her.

Or been wearing Mitchum antiperspirant (I have always thought it smelled like marijuana.)

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I Stand With Planned Parenthood  Aug 12, 2015 • 9:21:25am

Are we now going to have an email tit-for-tat?

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I Stand With Planned Parenthood  Aug 12, 2015 • 9:23:16am

re: #465 lawhawk

The stupid is strong with that one.

Since when does an arrest mean that it’s acceptable to sexually assault a person?

It’s excessive force plain and simple.

It is rape.

There is no reason for any cop to do a cavity search on the scene without a judge’s consent. This is something the military would do, not law enforcement.

sorry, I’d fight this to my last penny.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 12, 2015 • 9:24:06am

re: #482 Lidane

ROFL. Someone has seen his poll numbers and is lashing out:

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He’s upset because he knows he could well be a one term Senator and not anywhere near president or VP like he had hoped.

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I Stand With Planned Parenthood  Aug 12, 2015 • 9:24:37am
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goddamnedfrank  Aug 12, 2015 • 9:24:47am

re: #458 Csarneson

I appreciate your perspective Bass and the unequal way that our country treats its citizens certainly needs to be changed. Where we disagree is the best way to accomplish that. There are two primary options:
1) Rage - Get louder, ruder, angrier, and destructive. This is the approach the GOP is taking as well. The GOP is failing miserably and I think the BLM group will ultimately fail as well or at least make slower progress than they could have. This is the approach the palestinians took for several decades before finally becoming more mainstream lately and making progress. I’d be shocked if there was not a two-state solution in the next couple years now that they have the majority of the world’s support. If these rage and hostage-taking tactics don’t fail outright they are certainly marginalizing themselves and setting back their cause until the next generation
2) Constant civility and rational pressure - painting your group as sympathetic figures. This is the approach that seems to work again and again for groups. They gain friends and convince the entire population that their requests are reasonable and rational. Ultimately the large and broad coalition of people can put far more pressure for change than a few marginalized people who are easy to dismiss as radicals.

You appear to be willing to support option #1. I suggest they should pursue option #2. Turning your sympathetic allies into those that will dismiss you seems like an extremely unwise choice.

Tone policing and pollyanna bs. I don’t know what history you’ve been watching but it wasn’t simply civility and rational pressure that won past civil rights battles. It was also protests, boycotts and in several cases such as Stonewall, galvanizing riots. It’s simplistic and totally backwards nonsense to think that people just convinced the majority of society to treat them equally, in many cases they had to convince the very small minority of society that sits on the courts first that the disruptive consequences and naked hypocrisy outweighed tradition and were no longer legally defensible, and society only came along decades later.

It’s also a really a tone deaf ridiculous false equivalence and insulting as fuck to condescendingly compare the minor lack of civility shown to Bernie Sanders and his campaign with “hostage taking,” or anything involving past Palestinian tactics, violence and open warfare in that dispute.

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Higgs Boson's Mate  Aug 12, 2015 • 9:25:23am

If law enforcement can get away with giving a person a cavity search, in public no less, on the basis that they thought they smelled marijuana in you car then it’s only a matter of time before they can do the same because they suspect that you’re going to let your vehicle’s registration expire next year.

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I Stand With Planned Parenthood  Aug 12, 2015 • 9:26:02am
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I Stand With Planned Parenthood  Aug 12, 2015 • 9:27:20am

re: #499 Higgs Boson’s Mate

If law enforcement can get away with giving a person a cavity search, in public no less, on the basis that they thought they smelled marijuana in you car then it’s only a matter of time before they can do the same because they suspect that you’re going to let your vehicle’s registration expire next year.

I’m sorry, cavity searches are a gross violation of civil rights. If it is necessary, a street cop does not have the authority to do it.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 12, 2015 • 9:28:10am

re: #498 goddamnedfrank

Tone policing and pollyanna bs. I don’t know what history you’ve been watching but it wasn’t simply civility and rational pressure that won past civil rights battles. It was also protests, boycotts and in several cases such as Stonewall, galvanizing riots. It’s simplistic and totally backwards nonsense to think that people just convinced the majority of society to treat them equally, in many cases they had to convince the very small minority of society that sits on the courts first that the disruptive consequences and naked hypocrisy outweighed tradition and were no longer legally defensible, and society only came along decades later.

It’s also a really a tone deaf ridiculous false equivalence and insulting as fuck to condescendingly compare the minor lack of civility shown to Bernie Sanders and his campaign with “hostage taking,” or anything involving past Palestinian tactics, violence and open warfare in that dispute.

Hell it still hasn’t happened totaly. I am sorry. I like and respect Bernie but just having a great record on civil rights doesn’t mean he should be immune from being protested. The BLM want the candidates to listen to them and their concerns. I don’t think that’s too much to ask and as I said last night, MLK and the Civil Rights movement in the 60’s still was sharply critical of LBJ and the Kennedys even though they did more for civil rights than their predecessors had. Constant pressure is needed. And as I said last night also, I’m tired of MLK’s legacy being used to attack a bunch of young black people who benefited a lot more from what he fought for than the white people who use him to talk down to black especially young black people.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 12, 2015 • 9:29:03am

re: #500 I Stand With Planned Parenthood

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Retrograde assholes.

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Csarneson  Aug 12, 2015 • 9:29:05am

re: #472 Jayleia

I hardly think that racial inequality is a hidden issue right now. I see it and hear about it nearly every day in the media.

Unfortunately there are quite a few really important issues for our country to address and throwing a fit because this topic isn’t first in every conversation, rally, or meeting is counter-productive. We have soldiers dying every day in afghanistan. We have people dying every day because they can’t afford healthcare. We have people dying every day because of extreme poverty. We have people rotting away their lifetimes in prison because of trivial drug crimes in their youth. There are lots of reasons for rage in our world. Every one of these needs to be addressed. It doesn’t have to be one at a time.

I am just saying that if BLM continues these recent hostage-taking tactics they are likely to have fewer allies and get less real support. Turning people off by the thousands because they are angry isn’t going to help.

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Varek Raith  Aug 12, 2015 • 9:29:14am

re: #458 Csarneson

Do you know what this sounds like to me?

“Bernie is on your side, so sit down and shut up.”

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Lidane  Aug 12, 2015 • 9:29:19am

Love love love this:

…

I’m guessing the RWNJs are going ‘splodey over this video.

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blueraven  Aug 12, 2015 • 9:29:23am

re: #465 lawhawk

The stupid is strong with that one.

Since when does an arrest mean that it’s acceptable to sexually assault a person?

It’s excessive force plain and simple.

The same people think it is OK to kill an unarmed teen for acting like a teenage jerk in a TX car dealership.

Not enough to arrest and throw the book at them…nope, gotta shoot them 4 times.

*spit*

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HappyWarrior  Aug 12, 2015 • 9:31:41am

re: #505 Varek Raith

Do you know what this sounds like to me?

“Bernie is on your side, so sit down and shut up.”

Which is exactly why there is some validity to accusing white liberals and lefties of being condescending and knowing what’s best for everyone else, Of course white cons are worse but I don’t like it when cons do it, I sure as hell don’t like it when my own side does it. Bernie is going to have to deal with these sort of things if he’s going to be running for president and he’s going to get much more hostile audiences than BLM if he hopes to advance far. His supporters need to realize that. I say that as a Sanders supporter.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 12, 2015 • 9:32:38am

re: #506 Lidane

Love love love this:

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I’m guessing the RWNJs are going ‘splodey over this video.

Yeah really simple and using my old favorite from school- PRIMARY SOURCES. I like his touch at the end that he’s proud to be a member of that said army, I’m proud that all my relatives that have served this country were in that same Army too.

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Csarneson  Aug 12, 2015 • 9:32:45am

re: #498 goddamnedfrank

Bullshit. The stonewall riots were in the 1960s. How much progress did they make for the group as a whole? Not very much! It made it even easier to marginalize the group. It wasn’t until decades later when pride parades and peaceful protests became the norm that they succeeded. That’s not a coincidence.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 12, 2015 • 9:33:58am
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I Stand With Planned Parenthood  Aug 12, 2015 • 9:35:31am

Someone help me — give me the code to embed this video in a post.

I tried using the one provided with the video and Charles icon, but it won’t work.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 12, 2015 • 9:36:38am

The Civil rights activists that we laud today like MLK. Harvey Milk, etc were called the same that these guys are today. I am just saying. It’s easy to romanticize the past. Believe me, I’ve been guilty of it before too but if we want to convince ourselves that silent protests are the only reason that civil rights won out in the end, I will have to strongly disagree. Sometimes direct and vocal action is needed. And if that means Bernei Sanders’ supporters get their ego bruised because their candidate isn’t being treated like a political messiah than tough shit. I am sorry. I really do like Senator Sanders and I intend on voting for him fully but they have every right to protest and pressure him and I think it actually worked some since he did release a detailed position sheet on what he’d do.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 12, 2015 • 9:38:11am
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blueraven  Aug 12, 2015 • 9:40:06am

re: #510 Csarneson

Bullshit. The stonewall riots were in the 1960s. How much progress did they make for the group as a whole? Not very much! It made it even easier to marginalize the group. It wasn’t until decades later when pride parades and peaceful protests became the norm that they succeeded. That’s not a coincidence.

Wow, that only took 40 or 50 years! /

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Mattand  Aug 12, 2015 • 9:40:24am

re: #504 Csarneson

I hardly think that racial inequality is a hidden issue right now. I see it and hear about it nearly every day in the media.

Unfortunately there are quite a few really important issues for our country to address and throwing a fit because this topic isn’t first in every conversation, rally, or meeting is counter-productive. We have soldiers dying every day in afghanistan. We have people dying every day because they can’t afford healthcare. We have people dying every day because of extreme poverty. We have people rotting away their lifetimes in prison because of trivial drug crimes in their youth. There are lots of reasons for rage in our world. Every one of these needs to be addressed. It doesn’t have to be one at a time.

I am just saying that if BLM continues these recent hostage-taking tactics they are likely to have fewer allies and get less real support. Turning people off by the thousands because they are angry isn’t going to help.

Translation: “I’m white and I don’t have to worry about the cops looking for any excuse to arrest/harass/shoot me. Ever.”

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HappyWarrior  Aug 12, 2015 • 9:40:39am

re: #514 Backwoods_Sleuth

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So sick of this pathetic shit. But Graham is a “moderate.”

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Higgs Boson's Mate  Aug 12, 2015 • 9:40:57am

re: #514 Backwoods_Sleuth

Those who want another war should tell us how they’re going to pay for the fucker.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Aug 12, 2015 • 9:41:55am

re: #518 Higgs Boson’s Mate

They will get ISIS to pay for it.

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I Stand With Planned Parenthood  Aug 12, 2015 • 9:42:17am

PREVIEW: Dalai Lama: World Would Be Safer With More Women Leaders | Larry King Now | ora.tv
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The Vicious Babushka  Aug 12, 2015 • 9:42:41am

re: #518 Higgs Boson’s Mate

Those who want another war should tell us how they’re going to pay for the fucker.

HURR HURR DEFUND PLANNED PARENTHOOD & TEH FOOD STAMPS & WELFARES, & MOAR TAX CUTS 4 TEH RICH!!!!!11!!!

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Csarneson  Aug 12, 2015 • 9:43:24am

re: #505 Varek Raith

It’s a shame that’s what you hear. I certainly do not want blacks to stop demanding safety and true equality. They need to continue speaking up for it. There are different ways of speech however and you don’t seem to get that.

Are you really suggesting that Bernie and Hillary were not interested in listening to the group? I have no inside knowledge but I feel comfortable assuming that both candidates would welcome opportunities to talk about these problems. If rage is your only tactic then you’re probably not going to get very far.

re: #513 HappyWarrior

I lost a lot of respect for Bernie with the way he handled it. Seeing how meek he became makes me think he really can’t handle tough pressure. I’m still hoping that Liz Warren will decide to run at the last minute.

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Amory Blaine  Aug 12, 2015 • 9:43:25am

I have to help train promoted gal at work this week. Not happy about it (i do not like training) but she likes punk music so that helps lighten the mood. Plus I think she’s far enough in training where I’m just supposed to let her take the wheel while stand back.

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The Vicious Babushka  Aug 12, 2015 • 9:43:35am

re: #520 I Stand With Planned Parenthood

PREVIEW: Dalai Lama: World Would Be Safer With More Women Leaders | Larry King Now | ora.tv
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Queen Elizabeth I, Queen Victoria? Their country fought a bunch of wars.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 12, 2015 • 9:43:43am

Got news. People try being civil. Hell African-Americans fought for this country in large numbers and what did many returning African-American vets get when they got home, fear of being lynched, treated like second class citizens in the country that they had fought for, etc. It took reports of returning African-American soldiers being lynched in the South to convince Harry Truman that desegregating the military was needed.it’s easy to look fondly to people like MLK who can’t comment on the current movements because they are deceased and use him to tell protesters that he’s who they should be more like but as I said in MLK’s own time, he was called the same crap. Fighting for any sort of justice isn’t about making friends. It’s about fighting for a cause.

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lawhawk  Aug 12, 2015 • 9:43:51am

re: #507 blueraven

I had some guy on twitter claiming that the protests were too long and too much trouble because Brown deserved to die at hands of Wilson. Completely ignores the fact that cops treat minorities harshly and with excessive force regularly.

There are some people who think cops can do no wrong, especially when it comes to keeping minorities in their place. And that’s the bottom line - police are enforcing policies designed by politicians to keep minorities in their place. Excessive force is just the most brutal of those policies, but it runs the gamut from housing and economic development, siting environmental hazards, all the way to treating minority communities like a piggy bank with vehicle stops for issues that would be mostly ignored with white drivers (as the MO AG’s office reports repeatedly show).

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Dr. Matt  Aug 12, 2015 • 9:44:16am

re: #498 goddamnedfrank

TIt’s also a really a tone deaf ridiculous false equivalence and insulting as fuck to condescendingly compare the minor lack of civility shown to Bernie Sanders and his campaign with “hostage taking,” or anything involving past Palestinian tactics, violence and open warfare in that dispute.

Yes, because calling the White Progressives of Seattle “white supremacists” is just a “minor lack of civility”. She sounds and acts just like a teabagger….she didn’t get her way, so she lashed out with bullshit charges of racism.

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I Stand With Planned Parenthood  Aug 12, 2015 • 9:44:39am

re: #526 lawhawk

I had some guy on twitter claiming that the protests were too long and too much trouble because Brown deserved to die at hands of Wilson. Completely ignores the fact that cops treat minorities harshly and with excessive force regularly.

There are some people who think cops can do no wrong, especially when it comes to keeping minorities in their place. And that’s the bottom line - police are enforcing policies designed by politicians to keep minorities in their place. Excessive force is just the most brutal of those policies, but it runs the gamut from housing and economic development, siting environmental hazards, all the way to treating minority communities like a piggy bank with vehicle stops for issues that would be mostly ignored with white drivers (as the MO AG’s office reports repeatedly show).

QFT

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Higgs Boson's Mate  Aug 12, 2015 • 9:45:18am

re: #519 GlutenFreeJesus

They will get ISIS to pay for it.

That’s the ticket!

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The Vicious Babushka  Aug 12, 2015 • 9:45:45am

re: #527 Dr. Matt

I’m not going to trust a protester

Yes, because calling the White Progressives of Seattle “white supremacists” is just a “minor lack of civility”. She sounds and acts just like a teabagger….she didn’t get her way, so she lashed out with bullshit charges of racism.

If Bernie supporters are “white racists” then what do you call the GOP? It’s like calling Obama “Hitler”

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Skip Intro  Aug 12, 2015 • 9:45:55am

re: #518 Higgs Boson’s Mate

Those who want another war should tell us how they’re going to pay for the fucker.

Deficit spending for war is always acceptable, apparently. So is not spending any money on injured vets when they return from all of these wars.

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I Stand With Planned Parenthood  Aug 12, 2015 • 9:46:22am

re: #524 The Vicious Babushka

Queen Elizabeth I, Queen Victoria? Their country fought a bunch of wars.

safER —not ironclad safe.

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gwangung  Aug 12, 2015 • 9:46:34am

re: #513 HappyWarrior

Believe me, I’ve been guilty of it before too but if we want to convince ourselves that silent protests are the only reason that civil rights won out in the end, I will have to strongly disagree.

Actually, I’d laugh in their faces.

And tell them to get off my lawn and get out in the streets ta fight the power.

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goddamnedfrank  Aug 12, 2015 • 9:46:43am

re: #510 Csarneson

Bullshit. The stonewall riots were in the 1960s. How much progress did they make for the group as a whole? Not very much! It made it even easier to marginalize the group. It wasn’t until decades later when pride parades and peaceful protests became the norm that they succeeded. That’s not a coincidence.

Right, because if those dumb gays had just petitioned Anita Bryant, Phyllis Schlafly, Pat Robertson and Billy Graham nicely, using non-threatening pressure they’d have gotten equal rights much faster. Your entire argument has a broken back.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 12, 2015 • 9:46:48am

re: #522 Csarneson

It’s a shame that’s what you hear. I certainly do not want blacks to stop demanding safety and true equality. They need to continue speaking up for it. There are different ways of speech however and you don’t seem to get that.

Are you really suggesting that Bernie and Hillary were not interested in listening to the group? I have no inside knowledge but I feel comfortable assuming that both candidates would welcome opportunities to talk about these problems. If rage is your only tactic then you’re probably not going to get very far.

I lost a lot of respect for Bernie with the way he handled it. Seeing how meek he became makes me think he really can’t handle tough pressure. I’m still hoping that Liz Warren will decide to run at the last minute.

Really he released a detailed policy statement and you lost respect for him over that? Damn.

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I Stand With Planned Parenthood  Aug 12, 2015 • 9:47:01am
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HappyWarrior  Aug 12, 2015 • 9:47:20am

re: #534 goddamnedfrank

Right, because if those dumb gays had just petitioned Anita Bryant, Phyllis Schlafly, Pat Robertson and Billy Graham nicely, using non-threatening pressure they’d have gotten equal rights much faster. Your entire argument has a broken back.

They just needed to say the magic word. //

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HappyWarrior  Aug 12, 2015 • 9:47:42am

re: #536 I Stand With Planned Parenthood

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That’s because nearly all of them are from his wigmaker.

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Skip Intro  Aug 12, 2015 • 9:49:13am

re: #519 GlutenFreeJesus

They will get ISIS to pay for it.

And ISIS will also give us all their oil, and they’ll be happy to do it, just like Mexico will be happy to pay for the wall.

You just have to know how to negotiate. That’s why Trump will be the greatest leader in the history of the world, possibly even the history of the universe.

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Higgs Boson's Mate  Aug 12, 2015 • 9:49:15am

re: #538 HappyWarrior

That’s because nearly all of them are from his wigmaker.

A jerk in a merkin.

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ObserverArt  Aug 12, 2015 • 9:49:58am

Hey all!

So, I understand Rand Paul is having campaign funding issues…not enough money.

I guess Rand is just lazy and not working hard enough.

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blueraven  Aug 12, 2015 • 9:51:40am

re: #541 ObserverArt

Hey all!

So, I understand Rand Paul is having campaign funding issues…not enough money.

I guess Rand is just lazy and not working hard enough.

Not selling the crazy hard enough. Trump and Cruz are running away with it.
Free Market, baby!

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I Stand With Planned Parenthood  Aug 12, 2015 • 9:51:43am

re: #522 Csarneson

It’s a shame that’s what you hear. I certainly do not want blacks to stop demanding safety and true equality. They need to continue speaking up for it. There are different ways of speech however and you don’t seem to get that.

Are you really suggesting that Bernie and Hillary were not interested in listening to the group? I have no inside knowledge but I feel comfortable assuming that both candidates would welcome opportunities to talk about these problems. If rage is your only tactic then you’re probably not going to get very far.

I lost a lot of respect for Bernie with the way he handled it. Seeing how meek he became makes me think he really can’t handle tough pressure. I’m still hoping that Liz Warren will decide to run at the last minute.

Alright — I’m at my limit so I’ll leave you-all after this post.

Czar -neson —So glad you feel a segment of our society should not stop fighting for the rights. I can’t tell you how relieved I am —I was concerned that you didn’t see EVERYONE as a human being.

You are an arrogant prick.

bbl

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Higgs Boson's Mate  Aug 12, 2015 • 9:51:53am

re: #541 ObserverArt

Hey all!

So, I understand Rand Paul is having campaign funding issues…not enough money.

I guess Rand is just lazy and not working hard enough.

Cries of “Conspiracy!” from The AV Club of Politics can already be heard three miles out to sea.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 12, 2015 • 9:51:57am

re: #541 ObserverArt

Hey all!

So, I understand Rand Paul is having campaign funding issues…not enough money.

I guess Rand is just lazy and not working hard enough.

He should starve.// Paul supporter logic.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Aug 12, 2015 • 9:52:12am

re: #529 Higgs Boson’s Mate

Tickets. That’s a good idea. Let’s send Ferguson PD and St. Louis County Sheriffs to Iraq and Syria with a boatload of ticket books. They’ll be able to pay for the war in no time with all the BS citations they’ll issue to everyone not white.

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goddamnedfrank  Aug 12, 2015 • 9:52:41am

So many of us can’t just fucking listen to minorities without telling them how to behave, without trying to civilize them. That’s our fucking legacy.

548
lawhawk  Aug 12, 2015 • 9:52:48am

re: #541 ObserverArt

Hey all!

So, I understand Rand Paul is having campaign funding issues…not enough money.

I guess Rand is just lazy and not working hard enough.

Free Market Jeebus seems to have made its decision.

No soup (nuts) for you.

549
Higgs Boson's Mate  Aug 12, 2015 • 9:53:13am

re: #546 GlutenFreeJesus

Tickets. That’s a good idea. Let’s send Ferguson PD and St. Louis County Sheriffs to Iraq and Syria with a boatload of ticket books. They’ll be able to pay for the war in no time with all the BS citations they’ll issue to everyone not white.

Sell the rights to it as a reality show and you’ll be rich beyond my dreams of avarice.

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BeachDem  Aug 12, 2015 • 9:53:43am

re: #510 Csarneson

Bullshit. The stonewall riots were in the 1960s. How much progress did they make for the group as a whole? Not very much! It made it even easier to marginalize the group. It wasn’t until decades later when pride parades and peaceful protests became the norm that they succeeded. That’s not a coincidence.

re: #228 Csarneson

I’d never heard of the stonewall riots.

Wow—less than 12 hours ago you’d never heard of the Stonewall Riots, and now you can place them in historic context and everything.
/

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 12, 2015 • 9:54:55am

re: #541 ObserverArt

Hey all!

So, I understand Rand Paul is having campaign funding issues…not enough money.

I guess Rand is just lazy and not working hard enough.

He’s busy pimping his campaign swag:

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HappyWarrior  Aug 12, 2015 • 9:56:18am

I mean for fuck sake even the people who kileld the three civil rights workers got indicted. Many of these cops who have killed unarmed blacks don’t get indicted, don’t lose their job or pensions, and many don’t even really get suspended. I am white. I’ll never have to worry about a cop assuming I am up to no good because of my race. That’s white privilege. If I were to die tragically, I wouldn’t have to worry about the media finding out of context photos and using them to call me a thug. I’d have my graduation photo or a photo of me with my niece. From the minute African-Americans were brought to this country via slavery, they were treated as second class citizens and it’s only been fairly recently that we have gotten over that and to a large degree they still are. Black guy illegally selling cigarettes gets a choke hold and dies. White kid shoots up a movie theater and gets taken alive. There’s something wrong with that.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 12, 2015 • 9:56:21am

re: #547 goddamnedfrank

So many of us can’t just fucking listen to minorities without telling them how to behave, without trying to civilize them. That’s our fucking legacy.

And, at the same time tell them there are more important issues to worry about…

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Jayleia  Aug 12, 2015 • 9:56:50am

re: #504 Csarneson

So, again, the T part of the LGBT spectrum has experience with this. They’ve been faithful supporters of the LG part the whole time.

The LG side has, all too frequently been MIA when when the trans* people have needed them. And you wonder why we’re angry at the LG people…LG people can get married, trans* people are still at the trying to not get killed part of their civil rights movement and some of the LG activists are…well, they’re “actively counter-productive”.

I TOTALLY understand BLMs frustration with Bernie. I might choose different tactics, but I don’t hold that against them.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 12, 2015 • 9:57:17am

re: #551 Backwoods_Sleuth

He’s busy pimping his campaign swag:

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I’d rather have a Constitution signed by Roberto Clemente.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 12, 2015 • 9:58:33am

re: #550 BeachDem

Wow—less than 12 hours ago you’d never heard of the Stonewall Riots, and now you can place them in historic context and everything.
/

Well, he did read it on the internet this morning, so he’s an expert now.

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Higgs Boson's Mate  Aug 12, 2015 • 9:59:01am

re: #555 HappyWarrior

I’d rather have a Constitution signed by Roberto Clemente.

I have a Gouverneur Morris rookie card.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 12, 2015 • 10:00:05am

Rand is attracting massive crowds in New Hampshire:

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HappyWarrior  Aug 12, 2015 • 10:00:11am

re: #557 Higgs Boson’s Mate

I have a Gouverneur Morris rookie card.

Nice. I have the Constitutional Convention bubble gum card set.

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Csarneson  Aug 12, 2015 • 10:00:15am

re: #550 BeachDem

I grew up in the 70s and 80s. Gays were treated by general society as freaks and outliers during that time. I think it is safe to say that an event (however significant at the time) that happened 10-20 years before did not succeed in making them mainstream, accepted, and treated fairly.

However, in the past 20 years public support for gay marriage has skyrocked from 20% (approx) to about 60-70% now. During that time there have been no notable violent riots. Coincidence?

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HappyWarrior  Aug 12, 2015 • 10:00:36am

re: #558 Backwoods_Sleuth

Rand is attracting massive crowds in New Hampshire:

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The beast? You mean what paid your and your Dad’s salary?

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HappyWarrior  Aug 12, 2015 • 10:03:02am

Rare Declaration of Independence, signed by Mike Schmidt and Steve Carlton and all the ‘80 Phillies first WS winner.//

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ObserverArt  Aug 12, 2015 • 10:04:22am

re: #547 goddamnedfrank

So many of us can’t just fucking listen to minorities without telling them how to behave, without trying to civilize them. That’s our fucking legacy.

Ahh yes, the old “White Man’s Burden” which clearly places the burden on everyone else to act like the white man so we can feel both comfy and satisfied.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 12, 2015 • 10:05:44am

good freaking grief

National Rifle Association past president and Florida gun lobbyist Marion Hammer promoted the NRA’s plan to force Florida colleges and universities to allow students to carry guns by claiming that opponents of the measure are “engaged in a war on women,” given the epidemic of campus sexual assault.

snip

On Cam & Company, Hammer claimed that “a gun-free-zone campus” is “a sanctuary where criminals can rape and commit mass murder without fear of resistance,” adding, “Not only are opponents of this bill engaging in a war against the Second Amendment and self-defense, they are engaging in a war against women who need to be able to defend themselves against rape and physical violence on a college campus.”

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ObserverArt  Aug 12, 2015 • 10:06:19am

re: #551 Backwoods_Sleuth

He’s busy pimping his campaign swag:

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That goes to his other part of his comment the other day: “Sell more stuff!”

Work it Rand…

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Dr Lizardo  Aug 12, 2015 • 10:07:21am

re: #560 Csarneson

I grew up in the 70s and 80s. Gays were treated by general society as freaks and outliers during that time. I think it is safe to say that an event (however significant at the time) that happened 10-20 years before did not succeed in making them mainstream, accepted, and treated fairly.

However, in the past 20 years public support for gay marriage has skyrocked from 20% (approx) to about 60-70% now. During that time there have been no notable violent riots. Coincidence?

You’re forgetting that the Stonewall Uprising is the event that essentially created the modern gay-rights movement. There were groups like the Mattachine Society and whatnot before Stonewall, but they were considered fringe groups and generally ignored by everyone, including a good many LGBT people.

Stonewall galvanized the Village LGBT scene, and one year later, on June 28 1970, the first gay pride parade was held - the Christopher Street Pride Parade, I believe it was referred to as. And from there, the movement began to spread.

Stonewall itself showed that the LGBT community was simply no longer going to tolerate being pushed around by the NYPD. And from that sense of “We’re not gonna take it”, the modern gay rights movement began. A peaceful movement that has achieved a great deal within my lifetime of 46 years.

But it was that explosion of anger on that June night in 1969 that provided the impetus to the LGBT movement to affect profound societal change.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 12, 2015 • 10:07:48am

re: #564 Backwoods_Sleuth

good freaking grief

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Has Marion ever been on a college campus before? Oh and if you allow guns on campus, you’re allowing the sexual predators to be armed too. This is so stupid but it’s the NRA who are fucking stupid.

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Higgs Boson's Mate  Aug 12, 2015 • 10:09:15am

Rand could open a can of STFU, stay home, and eliminate a substantial percentage of the real assholes in the Senate. That’s the kind of shrinking the government that works for me.

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goddamnedfrank  Aug 12, 2015 • 10:09:20am

re: #560 Csarneson

I grew up in the 70s and 80s. Gays were treated by general society as freaks and outliers during that time. I think it is safe to say that an event (however significant at the time) that happened 10-20 years before did not succeed in making them mainstream, accepted, and treated fairly.

However, in the past 20 years public support for gay marriage has skyrocked from 20% (approx) to about 60-70% now. During that time there have been no notable violent riots. Coincidence?

So gays don’t know their own history then is what you’re saying. They’re idiots for widely celebrating Stonewall as the beginning of their equality movement, for arranging Pride parades around that anniversary as a commemoration?

The entire point of a galvanizing riot like that is to form the nexus for the ensuing movement. It’s a shot across the bow of society that the minority population will not allow itself to be abused without consequence.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 12, 2015 • 10:09:53am

re: #566 Dr Lizardo

You’re forgetting that the Stonewall Uprising is the event that essentially created the modern gay-rights movement. There were groups like the Mattachine Society and whatnot before Stonewall, but they were considered fringe groups and generally ignored by everyone, including a good many LGBT people.

Stonewall galvanized the Village LGBT scene, and one year later, on June 28 1970, the first gay pride parade was held - the Christopher Street Pride Parade, I believe it was referred to as. And from there, the movement began to spread.

Stonewall itself showed that the LGBT community was simply no longer going to tolerate being pushed around by the NYPD. And from that sense of “We’re not gonna take it”, the modern gay rights began. A peaceful movement that has achieved a great deal within my lifetime of 46 years.

But it was that explosion of anger on that June night in 1969 that provided the impetus to the LGBT movement to affect profound societal change.

Exactly, sometimes it takes an event like Stonewall. It’s easy to look at the past when we have made progress and say “Well if only they had this, they would have gotten what they wanted sooner.” In an ideal world, sure, just asking to be treated equally and fairly under the law and by society would work but it’s not an ideal world and I will add that even with the progress we’ve made on LGBT issues the past 20 years that every Republican running for president opposed the Supreme Court decision on SSM and that the religious right is still as homophobic as ever.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 12, 2015 • 10:10:35am

My JRT is about the same age.
Just gave her a hug.
And then another one.

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goddamnedfrank  Aug 12, 2015 • 10:10:41am

re: #569 goddamnedfrank

I see Dr. Lizardo beat me to the point.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 12, 2015 • 10:11:14am

re: #572 goddamnedfrank

I see Dr. Lizardo beat me to the point.

Nothing wrong with more than one person saying it though. You both are right.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 12, 2015 • 10:12:08am
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GlutenFreeJesus  Aug 12, 2015 • 10:12:43am

Music break. What’s with the hot-sounding female vocalists coming out of Iceland? Wow.

…

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Eventual Carrion  Aug 12, 2015 • 10:12:45am

re: #541 ObserverArt

Hey all!

So, I understand Rand Paul is having campaign funding issues…not enough money.

I guess Rand is just lazy and not working hard enough.

He definitely needs to go find another job.

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#FergusonFireside  Aug 12, 2015 • 10:12:57am

re: #569 goddamnedfrank

Frank, Czarneson dropped the fucking Black Panthers in one of his comments last night. He’s a RWNJ trying to play it cool.

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Csarneson  Aug 12, 2015 • 10:13:03am

re: #566 Dr Lizardo

Thanks. Good info.

Comparing that history to today, how does a “nominal leader” shoving her way to the microphone and yelling at thousands of liberal whites who are probably sympathetic to her cause move the group forward? Seems like she picked the wrong target.

Non-violent marches like the one that John Lewis recently participated in clearly fits in however.

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Lidane  Aug 12, 2015 • 10:13:30am

*facepalm*

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HappyWarrior  Aug 12, 2015 • 10:14:32am

re: #579 Lidane

*facepalm*

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Well of course the Champ Kind of the GOP would say that.

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The Vicious Babushka  Aug 12, 2015 • 10:14:50am

re: #579 Lidane

*facepalm*

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Louie is jealous of Donald’s luxurious silken locks.

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FormerDirtDart  Aug 12, 2015 • 10:15:03am

re: #579 Lidane

*facepalm*

Louie Gohmert praises Donald Trump: He improves GOP presidential debates ‘immeasurably

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 12, 2015 • 10:15:03am
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Dr Lizardo  Aug 12, 2015 • 10:15:12am

re: #580 HappyWarrior

Well of course the Champ Kind of the GOP would say that.

I was thinking more along the lines of Brick Tamland.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 12, 2015 • 10:15:36am

re: #584 Dr Lizardo

I was thinking more along the lines of Brick Tamland.

Looks like Champ, thinks like Brick. Good point though.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 12, 2015 • 10:16:48am

re: #583 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Oh of course not. They probably already got their stories lined up about how Christian once took a cookie from the cookie jar when he was a kid and he was “no angel.”

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The Vicious Babushka  Aug 12, 2015 • 10:17:09am

STUPIDEST MEME OF THE DAY==>
Typical conservative actually believes that Blacks have to be TWICE as intelligent as whites to succeed with so many obstacles put in their way, while also believing that Blacks are “scientifically” genetically inferior

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GlutenFreeJesus  Aug 12, 2015 • 10:17:12am

re: #583 Backwoods_Sleuth

How is a 49 year old allowed to be a rookie cop???

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jamesfirecat  Aug 12, 2015 • 10:17:18am

re: #579 Lidane

*facepalm*

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He’s right, think of how much less entertaining it would have been without Trump…

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HappyWarrior  Aug 12, 2015 • 10:18:38am

re: #587 The Vicious Babushka

STUPIDEST MEME OF THE DAY==>
Typical conservative actually believes that Blacks have to be TWICE as intelligent as whites to succeed with so many obstacles put in their way, while also believing that Blacks are “scientifically” genetically inferior

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White conservatives take handouts too but no one on the right ever accuses them of being “dependent” and “wanting free stuff.” So yeah you’re bigots cons, sorry if it chaps your ass.

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Dr Lizardo  Aug 12, 2015 • 10:18:41am

re: #585 HappyWarrior

Looks like Champ, thinks like Brick. Good point though.

“I love lamp asparagus!”

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Higgs Boson's Mate  Aug 12, 2015 • 10:18:58am

re: #588 GlutenFreeJesus

How is a 49 year old allowed to be a rookie cop???

He was the biggest kid in Eighth Grade.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 12, 2015 • 10:19:07am

re: #588 GlutenFreeJesus

How is a 49 year old allowed to be a rookie cop???

Midlife crisis? That is odd though for sure.

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CuriousLurker  Aug 12, 2015 • 10:19:08am

re: #534 goddamnedfrank

Right, because if those dumb gays had just petitioned Anita Bryant, Phyllis Schlafly, Pat Robertson and Billy Graham nicely, using non-threatening pressure they’d have gotten equal rights much faster. Your entire argument has a broken back.

uppity
[uhp-i-tee]

adjective, Informal.
1. affecting an attitude of inflated self-esteem; haughty; snobbish.
2. rebelliously self-assertive; not inclined to be tractable or deferential.

BLM is being uppity and that makes some people uncomfortable, nervous. They insist that if BLM wants them to to listen and care about their plight, then they need to change their tone, know their place, give the power structure that has been curb stomping them for centuries its due deference, and stop being such uppity thugs forthwith.

That’s the kind of crap abusive spouses use to control their victims:

This is your fault, don’t try to blame it on me. If you would stop making mistakes and be more polite & deferential to me, then I wouldn’t have to keep beating the crap out of you to teach you lessons. I’m doing it for your own good.

I’m sure if the American revolutionaries had just been more POLITE, the British would’ve happily accommodated them and given them their independence without a single harsh word or raised fist. //

Keep digging, Csarneson…

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blueraven  Aug 12, 2015 • 10:19:36am

re: #560 Csarneson

I grew up in the 70s and 80s. Gays were treated by general society as freaks and outliers during that time. I think it is safe to say that an event (however significant at the time) that happened 10-20 years before did not succeed in making them mainstream, accepted, and treated fairly.

However, in the past 20 years public support for gay marriage has skyrocked from 20% (approx) to about 60-70% now. During that time there have been no notable violent riots. Coincidence?

The Stonewall event and Harvey Milk encouraged people to “come out of the closet”.

Gays and Lesbians became more acceptable because people began to understand that their friends and relatives were gay and they were fine people and entitled to the same rights as everyone else.

I don’t think the BLM movement has time for white Americans to learn that they have a Black friend who was killed by police.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 12, 2015 • 10:19:44am

re: #591 Dr Lizardo

“I love lamp asparagus!”

Brick in fairness had a heart of gold though. Gohmert is stupid but he’s a mean old bastard.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Aug 12, 2015 • 10:20:11am

re: #593 HappyWarrior

Bet he wishes he was flipping burgers instead.

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Eventual Carrion  Aug 12, 2015 • 10:20:25am

re: #564 Backwoods_Sleuth

good freaking grief

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Great. So now in addition to not being believed she was raped/attempted rape, she can go to prison for murder if she happens to kill the perp. What’s not to like?

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Mike Lamb  Aug 12, 2015 • 10:20:36am

re: #587 The Vicious Babushka

STUPIDEST MEME OF THE DAY==>
Typical conservative actually believes that Blacks have to be TWICE as intelligent as whites to succeed with so many obstacles put in their way, while also believing that Blacks are “scientifically” genetically inferior

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Here’s a question—why is it that blacks are the only ones vilified for voting in their best socioeconomic interests? I mean, assuming that blacks vote for “liberal handouts”, why is that an issue? Why aren’t white people getting grief for doing precisely the same thing? Isn’t the idea that blacks shouldn’t vote to promote their self-interest implicit racism?

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HappyWarrior  Aug 12, 2015 • 10:20:45am

re: #597 GlutenFreeJesus

Bet he wishes he was flipping burgers instead.

I am sure the kid he killed does too.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 12, 2015 • 10:23:14am

re: #599 Mike Lamb

Here’s a question—why is it that blacks are the only ones vilified for voting in their best socioeconomic interests? I mean, assuming that blacks vote for “liberal handouts”, why is that an issue? Why aren’t white people getting grief for doing precisely the same thing? Isn’t the idea that blacks shouldn’t vote to promote their self-interest implicit racism?

Really some of the areas most dependent on government handouts in this country are also some of the most white and Republican but do Republicans call those people “moochers” or accuse them of being part of a culture depenedent on the government. When you imply that black people vote Democratic because of government programs, you are pretty much saying that you feel all black people are in need of government aid. Not to mention that conservatives constantly insult black people’s intelligence by saying that they don’t know that the Republican Party supported the abolition of slavery or that they need to get off the “Dem plantation” because voting for a party is the same as generations of forced human chattel. Democrats gained the African-American community as a bloc because they started treating black people like human beings.

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The Vicious Babushka  Aug 12, 2015 • 10:23:22am

OFFS==>

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jc717  Aug 12, 2015 • 10:23:42am

Trump is awesome!!!
He is exactly the type of candidate that the GOP needs and deserves. He’s doing an awesome job of trolling the entire base, the establishment, the Kochs, etc.
Priceless!
And we’re all playing along. LGF, TPM, RS, DK, Politico, etc have more Trump coverage than coverage of all other candidates combined.

I’m reminded of this exchange from the movie “Private Parts”:

Researcher: The average radio listener listens for eighteen minutes. The average Howard Stern fan listens for - are you ready for this? - an hour and twenty minutes.
Pig Vomit: How can that be?
Researcher: Answer most commonly given? “I want to see what he’ll say next.”
Pig Vomit: Okay, fine. But what about the people who hate Stern?
Researcher: Good point. The average Stern hater listens for two and a half hours a day.
Pig Vomit: But… if they hate him, why do they listen?
Researcher: Most common answer? “I want to see what he’ll say next.”

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Higgs Boson's Mate  Aug 12, 2015 • 10:23:59am

Conservatives: How about a Stand Your Womb law?

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Higgs Boson's Mate  Aug 12, 2015 • 10:25:24am

re: #602 The Vicious Babushka

The artist has been charged with attempting to make Cruz fap himself to death.

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jamesfirecat  Aug 12, 2015 • 10:26:54am

re: #595 blueraven

The Stonewall event and Harvey Milk encouraged people to “come out of the closet”.

Gays and Lesbians became more acceptable because people began to understand that their friends and relatives were gay and they were fine people and entitled to the same rights as everyone else.

I don’t think the BLM movement has time for white Americans to learn that they have a Black friend who was killed by police.

That is the inherent problem, with the comparison between Gay/Lesbian movement for equality and the movement for full equality between black and white people.

Being Gay/Lesbian is something that in all honesty does sort of effect everyone, despite how much effort many people put into repressing it/trying to “cure” it, it still happened and only the most heartless of people (IE people worse than Dick Cheney) were not effected in some way when it turned out they had a son/daughter/cousin/niece/nephew/friend who was gay or lesbian.

Race is never going to have the same “it has touched my life” effect because it’s much easier to form a protective enclave against, see White Flight….

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The Vicious Babushka  Aug 12, 2015 • 10:27:05am

re: #603 jc717

Trump is awesome!!!
He is exactly the type of candidate that the GOP needs and deserves. He’s doing an awesome job of trolling the entire base, the establishment, the Kochs, etc.
Priceless!
And we’re all playing along. LGF, TPM, RS, DK, Politico, etc have more Trump coverage than coverage of all other candidates combined.

I’m reminded of this exchange from the movie “Private Parts”:

Researcher: The average radio listener listens for eighteen minutes. The average Howard Stern fan listens for - are you ready for this? - an hour and twenty minutes.
Pig Vomit: How can that be?
Researcher: Answer most commonly given? “I want to see what he’ll say next.”
Pig Vomit: Okay, fine. But what about the people who hate Stern?
Researcher: Good point. The average Stern hater listens for two and a half hours a day.
Pig Vomit: But… if they hate him, why do they listen?
Researcher: Most common answer? “I want to see what he’ll say next.”

If Pig Vomit declared itself as a GOP candidate what would it rate in the polls?

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Mike Lamb  Aug 12, 2015 • 10:27:15am

re: #601 HappyWarrior

Really some of the areas most dependent on government handouts in this country are also some of the most white and Republican but do Republicans call those people “moochers” or accuse them of being part of a culture depenedent on the government. When you imply that black people vote Democratic because of government programs, you are pretty much saying that you feel all black people are in need of government aid. Not to mention that conservatives constantly insult black people’s intelligence by saying that they don’t know that the Republican Party supported the abolition of slavery or that they need to get off the “Dem plantation” because voting for a party is the same as generations of forced human chattel. Democrats gained the African-American community as a bloc because they started treating black people like human beings.

Forget about traditional welfare…what about voting in favor of tax cuts that help you? What about voting for platforms that would eliminate the “death tax”? Or that would outlaw abortion? Everyone votes in their best interests, but blacks are apparently mindless slaves for doing so.

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BeachDem  Aug 12, 2015 • 10:28:07am

re: #572 goddamnedfrank

I see Dr. Lizardo beat me to the point.

And I thank both you and Dr. Lizardo for picking up the slack in explaining the whole thing to someone who, as I mentioned, had never heard of the Stonewall Riots as recently as late last night.

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gwangung  Aug 12, 2015 • 10:29:14am

re: #606 jamesfirecat

Race is never going to have the same “its touch my life” effect because it’s much easier to form a protective enclave against, see White Flight….

Three quarters of white people in this country do not have a non-white friend.

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aagcobb  Aug 12, 2015 • 10:29:18am

re: #608 Mike Lamb

Forget about traditional welfare…what about voting in favor of tax cuts that help you? What about voting for platforms that would eliminate the “death tax”? Or that would outlaw abortion? Everyone votes in their best interests, but blacks are apparently mindless slaves for doing so.

People voting to keep their own money isn’t voting for handouts, libtard!

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HappyWarrior  Aug 12, 2015 • 10:30:12am

re: #608 Mike Lamb

Forget about traditional welfare…what about voting in favor of tax cuts that help you? What about voting for platforms that would eliminate the “death tax”? Or that would outlaw abortion? Everyone votes in their best interests, but blacks are apparently mindless slaves for doing so.

Great point.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 12, 2015 • 10:31:01am

re: #602 The Vicious Babushka

OFFS==>

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Does not include any of the amendments.//

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Romantic Heretic  Aug 12, 2015 • 10:31:05am

re: #520 I Stand With Planned Parenthood

I wish I agreed but history does not show any great difference in behaviour between female and male leaders, in my opinion.

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ObserverArt  Aug 12, 2015 • 10:32:45am

re: #560 Csarneson

I grew up in the 70s and 80s. Gays were treated by general society as freaks and outliers during that time. I think it is safe to say that an event (however significant at the time) that happened 10-20 years before did not succeed in making them mainstream, accepted, and treated fairly.

However, in the past 20 years public support for gay marriage has skyrocked from 20% (approx) to about 60-70% now. During that time there have been no notable violent riots. Coincidence?

Extrememly simplistic thinking.

Could one of the reasons gay marriage support skyrocketed be due to all that has gone on since the ‘69 Stonewall riots? You have the boomer generation that has come of age in that time. And the boomers children have also come along and added to the numbers to make the change. So, in a way the riots kicked it all off and time has done the rest. To say there have been no violent riots involved doesn’t cover the fact that a whole two generations and the part of a third grew from what they learned from the riots.

Also, you leave out a huge difference of why the generations I mention above could get a more peaceful change. Many LGBT issues were fought out in white communities with white people that also had economic power. Whites accepting other whites to a large degree.

It hasn’t seemed to make a damn bit of difference if Blacks had riots or peaceful protests. They still find themselves facing economic and social problems, some no different then they have always had to face. And being they have also been a minority the entire time in both political and economic power, they couldn’t count on large numbers to sway the thinking by voting for change and buying change like the large group of white LGBT people could.

You’re trying to balance the two groups on a broken scale. The big question I think everyone has is why?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 12, 2015 • 10:32:45am
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The Vicious Babushka  Aug 12, 2015 • 10:32:48am

re: #613 HappyWarrior

Does not include any of the amendments.//

There is no Jesus in the Constitution.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 12, 2015 • 10:33:49am

re: #617 The Vicious Babushka

There is no Jesus in the Constitution.

Heh that too. I just had to put in that though since it’s obvious that Ted has contempt for the 14th judging on his shit fit on SCOTUS’s decisions that he doesn’t like.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 12, 2015 • 10:34:14am

re: #616 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Sweet Jesus.

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Dr Lizardo  Aug 12, 2015 • 10:34:47am

re: #616 Backwoods_Sleuth

Oh, shit. That’s a big damned blast.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 12, 2015 • 10:36:31am
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CuriousLurker  Aug 12, 2015 • 10:37:03am

re: #603 jc717

And we’re all playing along. LGF, TPM, RS, DK, Politico, etc have more Trump coverage than coverage of all other candidates combined.

So stop playing along. When I go to news sites I make a point of not clicking on stories about him; I don’t create Pages about him; I don’t tweet about him except for the occasional LGF article. AFAIC, those mocking him don’t count as giving him undue attention. If mocking does count, then we should stop mocking religious extremists, racists, bigots, etc. lest they get too much attention.

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Bubblehead II  Aug 12, 2015 • 10:38:30am

re: #578 Csarneson

Thanks. Good info.

Comparing that history to today, how does a “nominal leader” shoving her way to the microphone and yelling at thousands of liberal whites who are probably sympathetic to her cause move the group forward? Seems like she picked the wrong target.

Non-violent marches like the one that John Lewis recently participated in clearly fits in however.

OFFS. Why don’t you just drop the act and clearly state what you want? Because from were I am sitting, you want them (BLM and other minorities) to STFD & STFU and if they don’t, well your just not going to take them seriously. Guess what asshole, they’ve been doing that for years and it hasn’t gotten them anywhere. If anything it has made things WORSE for them. See VRA and voter repression. It took Mike Brown being gunned down and the first Ferguson riots to bring these abuses to the forefront of the American conversation and it’s not going to go away just because you want it too. If anything, it’s only going to get worse until the American people say enough, we hear you and then moves to implement MEANINGFUL reforms. Until then, get used to them being in our faces about it.

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Teukka  Aug 12, 2015 • 10:38:34am

re: #616 Backwoods_Sleuth

…

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Romantic Heretic  Aug 12, 2015 • 10:40:33am

re: #602 The Vicious Babushka

A classic example of why hero worship is a bad thing.

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Eventual Carrion  Aug 12, 2015 • 10:41:52am

re: #613 HappyWarrior

Does not include any of the amendments.//

And a few redacted areas in the main articles as well.

The Senators and Representatives before mentioned, and the Members of the several State Legislatures, and all executive and judicial Officers, both of the United States and of the several States, shall be bound by Oath or Affirmation, to support this Constitution; but no religious test shall ever be required as a qualification to any office or public trust under the United States.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 12, 2015 • 10:42:38am

re: #626 Eventual Carrion

And a few redacted areas in the main articles as well.

Yep.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Aug 12, 2015 • 10:43:59am

re: #514 Backwoods_Sleuth

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And—stop demonizing the only recognized national government that has boots on the ground fighting ISIL: Iran.

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Teukka  Aug 12, 2015 • 10:46:35am

re: #625 Romantic Heretic

A classic example of why hero worship is a bad thing.

“Don’t give over all of your critical faculties to people in power, no matter how admirable those people may appear to be. Beneath the hero’s facade you will find a human being who makes human mistakes. Enormous problems arise when human mistakes are made on the grand scale available to a superhero. And sometimes you run into another problem.”
— Frank Herbert, Dune Genesis (1980)

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Decatur Deb  Aug 12, 2015 • 10:46:47am

re: #435 I Stand With Planned Parenthood

No, it was a guy. maybe in his 30’s. Dark hair —lilly white skin.

Then there’s more than one such out there. She was describing where the “pee-nis’ goes.

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Lidane  Aug 12, 2015 • 10:47:09am
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jaunte  Aug 12, 2015 • 10:47:11am
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#FergusonFireside  Aug 12, 2015 • 10:49:39am

re: #621 Backwoods_Sleuth

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omg

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HappyWarrior  Aug 12, 2015 • 10:50:14am

re: #631 Lidane

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More of that sunny right wing optimism.

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Varek Raith  Aug 12, 2015 • 10:51:43am

re: #616 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Holy shit.

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#FergusonFireside  Aug 12, 2015 • 10:52:59am

re: #628 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

And—stop demonizing the only recognized national government that has boots on the ground fighting ISIL: Iran.

Trump said in an interview on CNN I think, that Iran was helping Isil & the stupid talking head did not correct him. I yelled at the TV.

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Decatur Deb  Aug 12, 2015 • 10:56:20am

re: #609 BeachDem

Your SC guy put the Regional guy onto me and I asked him for a Florida guy. Hope you weren’t too hard on him.

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Varek Raith  Aug 12, 2015 • 10:57:27am
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Csarneson  Aug 12, 2015 • 10:58:48am

re: #623 Bubblehead II

What I want? I want people of every skin color to be treated fairly, equally, and respectfully. In the short term I want body cameras on every cop with a gun to protect both sides. I want accountability on both sides when mistakes are made. I want this period of hyper-partisanship where we can’t exchange ideas without instant name-calling to end. I want a progressive tax code that leaves unlimited opportunity for success but puts a floor that people can not fall below. I want everyone in our country to have access to healthcare before they need it. I want a country where people are encouraged to take risks. I want a country where if people do take risks and fail they don’t die. AND I want to get all of these things through civil discourse without hostage-taking.

I don’t want much.

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lawhawk  Aug 12, 2015 • 10:59:53am

re: #624 Teukka

Holy crap. That was frickin’ huge. Gotta believe that there were casualties from that.

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Decatur Deb  Aug 12, 2015 • 11:00:01am

re: #639 Csarneson

Taking that at face value.

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Varek Raith  Aug 12, 2015 • 11:00:27am

…

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 12, 2015 • 11:01:59am

re: #640 lawhawk

Holy crap. That was frickin’ huge. Gotta believe that there were casualties from that.

I inadvertently watched one video where there were bodies.

:(

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Decatur Deb  Aug 12, 2015 • 11:02:50am

re: #631 Lidane

Jim Bakker says Americans will soon embrace cannibalism as we descend into a gang-ridden hellhole.

Will there be discount freezer packages?

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Jenner7  Aug 12, 2015 • 11:03:39am

re: #560 Csarneson

Um, are you serious?

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Teukka  Aug 12, 2015 • 11:04:35am

re: #642 Varek Raith

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Video

Jesus Hello Kitty Christ!

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Bubblehead II  Aug 12, 2015 • 11:09:35am

re: #639 Csarneson

What I want? I want people of every skin color to be treated fairly, equally, and respectfully. In the short term I want body cameras on every cop with a gun to protect both sides. I want accountability on both sides when mistakes are made. I want this period of hyper-partisanship where we can’t exchange ideas without instant name-calling to end. I want a progressive tax code that leaves unlimited opportunity for success but puts a floor that people can not fall below. I want everyone in our country to have access to healthcare before they need it. I want a country where people are encouraged to take risks. I want a country where if people do take risks and fail they don’t die. AND I want to get all of these things through civil discourse without hostage-taking.

I don’t want much.

Good luck with that. You do realize there are those (can you say GOP) who don’t want you or anyone else to have those things and no amount of “civil discourse” is going to change their mind? The powerful don’t give up their power just because you ask them nicely. That power has to be taken from them by force. Either thru the ballot or physically by force. This has been true throughout mans recorded history and it’s not going to change anytime soon.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Aug 12, 2015 • 11:09:59am

re: #642 Varek Raith

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Video

I wonder how this compares to Halifax or Texas City?

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BeachDem  Aug 12, 2015 • 11:10:43am

re: #637 Decatur Deb

Your SC guy put the Regional guy onto me and I asked him for a Florida guy. Hope you weren’t too hard on him.

Good—I was just going to ask you about that because he (my SC guy) is calling me today to see if I’ll house another field rep. (my kid had to leave.)

Keep me posted. They sometimes get wrapped up in crises and forget what they were supposed to be doing.

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CuriousLurker  Aug 12, 2015 • 11:13:43am

re: #639 Csarneson

I want a pony. Obama promised me one, but didn’t deliver. Whoever can convince me that they’re really going to give me a pony this time gets my vote. //

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Teukka  Aug 12, 2015 • 11:13:55am

re: #648 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

I wonder how this compares to Halifax or Texas City?

Or pepcon?

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BeachDem  Aug 12, 2015 • 11:14:09am

re: #639 Csarneson

What I want? I want people of every skin color to be treated fairly, equally, and respectfully. In the short term I want body cameras on every cop with a gun to protect both sides. I want accountability on both sides when mistakes are made. I want this period of hyper-partisanship where we can’t exchange ideas without instant name-calling to end. I want a progressive tax code that leaves unlimited opportunity for success but puts a floor that people can not fall below. I want everyone in our country to have access to healthcare before they need it. I want a country where people are encouraged to take risks. I want a country where if people do take risks and fail they don’t die. AND I want to get all of these things through civil discourse without hostage-taking.

I don’t want much.

All worth wanting, but the point many of us have been trying to make is that something has to spark the fire for change, and it often has to be something loud, and maybe messy and not confined to “civil discourse.”

And I want a pony.

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Decatur Deb  Aug 12, 2015 • 11:14:49am

re: #648 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

I wonder how this compares to Halifax or Texas City?

The only data is the “felt 10 km away” statement. If that’s the extreme report it wasn’t all that much. When Picatinny went in 1923, its 2.5 million lbs was felt 40 miles away in NYC. Like all such blasts, much of it is scattered w/o detonating, unless confined. (Picatinny didn’t go all at once, either—a series of magazines went over time.)

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CuriousLurker  Aug 12, 2015 • 11:14:52am

re: #652 BeachDem

All worth wanting, but the point many of us have been trying to make is that something has to spark the fire for change, and it often has to be something loud, and maybe messy and not confined to “civil discourse.”

And I want a pony.

You too?? LOL

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BeachDem  Aug 12, 2015 • 11:16:19am

re: #650 CuriousLurker

I want a pony. Obama promised me one, but didn’t deliver. Whoever can convince me that they’re really going to give me a pony this time gets my vote. //

re: #652 BeachDem

And I want a pony.

Man, we all want ponies and those meanies just won’t give them to us!

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Aug 12, 2015 • 11:19:33am

re: #655 BeachDem

Man, we all want ponies and those meanies just won’t give them to us!

It’s a unicorn farting rainbows or I just won’t vote!

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 12, 2015 • 11:20:17am

re: #655 BeachDem

Man, we all want ponies and those meanies just won’t give them to us!

I’ve got a goat, so I guess I’m OK…

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BeachDem  Aug 12, 2015 • 11:21:02am

re: #656 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

It’s a unicorn farting rainbows or I just won’t vote!

Come on—that’s just not realistic. But a pony—a pony is totally within the realm of possibility. AND I WANT A PONY!

///

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Bubblehead II  Aug 12, 2015 • 11:21:23am

I’m going upstarsn

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Higgs Boson's Mate  Aug 12, 2015 • 11:26:15am

re: #610 gwangung

Three quarters of white people in this country do not have a non-white friend.

Oh, c’mon; I bet there’s more than that, it’s just that no one dares to use the phrase, “I have black friends.”

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Csarneson  Aug 12, 2015 • 12:12:00pm

re: #652 BeachDem

Damn I knew I forgot something!!! Well played…

re: #647 Bubblehead II

I hope you are dead wrong. That sounds like 3rd world thinking to me and I’d like to think our society should be beyond that. There’s very little difference between what you just said and the right wing wackos who talk about “2nd amendment remedies.” I certainly prefer the option where they take enough rope to hang themselves (which they are doing now) and they continue to lose their power through the ballot box. They’d have lost it already if not for their success at gerrymandering. Either way this country is moving steadily center-left and it’s not going to take violence to get us there.

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Joe Bacon  Aug 12, 2015 • 1:06:22pm

re: #602 The Vicious Babushka

OFFS==>

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I’m surprised he didn’t draw a big bulge in KKKaptain KKKonstitution’s KKKrotch!

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Eric The Fruit Bat  Aug 12, 2015 • 4:11:42pm

re: #631 Lidane

It’s pretty sad (or maybe hopeful) when his son makes more sense than he does.


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