Bernie Sanders Suddenly Leads Hillary Clinton in New Hampshire Poll

But it’s still very early

PoliticsAugust 2015 • Views: 58,585

There are still well over 400 days left before the presidential election, so polls don’t really mean a lot at this point; but still, it’s surprising to see Bernie Sanders pull ahead of Hillary Clinton in New Hampshire.

Democratic presidential hopeful Bernie Sanders has rocketed past longtime front-runner Hillary Clinton in New Hampshire, a stunning turn in a race once considered a lock for the former secretary of state, a new Franklin Pierce University/Boston Herald poll shows.

Sanders leads Clinton 44-37 percent among likely Democratic primary voters, the first time the heavily favored Clinton has trailed in the 2016 primary campaign, according to the poll of 442 Granite-Staters.

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HappyWarrior Aug 12, 2015 • 10:37:54am

Very surprising especially considering this was a state that she beat Obama in. I think Bernie’s going to do a lot better than expected. Now the nominee I think will still be Clinton but he’s going to get accomplished what I think he wanted to.

Eclectic Cyborg Aug 12, 2015 • 10:39:08am

Hmm. 442 is not a huge number of people and of course we all know how inaccurate advance polling can be, especially this far from Election day.

One of the negatives about Clinton though is she’s got a lot of political baggage. That may cause some to shy away from her.

I’m also wondering if we’ll see a dropoff in the Black vote on the Democratic side this time around.

HappyWarrior Aug 12, 2015 • 10:41:36am

re: #2 Eclectic Cyborg

Hmm. 442 is not a huge number of people and of course we all know how inaccurate advance polling can be, especially this far from Election day.

One of the negatives about Clinton though is she’s got a lot of political baggage. That may cause some to shy away from her.

I’m also wondering if we’ll see a dropoff in the Black vote on the Democratic side this time around.

It’s not and it’s one poll. What I look for in polls are trends. I.E, Obama consistently leading Romney here gave me a good feeling. I think you might see a dropoff but I will point out that before Obama got stronger as a candidate, the African-American community was heavily pro-Clinton so she may not see a huge drop.

gwangung Aug 12, 2015 • 10:42:05am

re: #2 Eclectic Cyborg

Hmm. 442 is not a huge number of people and of course we all know how inaccurate advance polling can be, especially this far from Election day.

Sam Wang is not impressed with this poll (and he was neck and neck with Nate Silver last election)

Iwouldprefernotto Aug 12, 2015 • 10:42:53am

I like Bernie. Tell me when Bernie polls better in CA or NY. I love New Hampshire, great state to visit. More people live in Brooklyn than the entire state.

Amory Blaine Aug 12, 2015 • 10:43:07am

People want to move the window left. Bernie does that. No other dem is in the game (to move Hillary).

HappyWarrior Aug 12, 2015 • 10:43:39am

re: #4 gwangung

Sam Wang is not impressed with this poll (and he was neck and neck with Nate Silver last election)

Yeah Sam was quite good. I remember seeing his work linked here. Has Nate done a take on it yet? I don’t look at his blog anymore since we’re so far off.

Eclectic Cyborg Aug 12, 2015 • 10:44:01am

Honestly the thing I think will doom the GOP (as it has the last two elections) is that Democrats will be easily able to take the big swing states (Ohio, Florida, Colorado).

HappyWarrior Aug 12, 2015 • 10:44:01am

re: #5 Iwouldprefernotto

I like Bernie. Tell me when Bernie polls better in CA or NY. I love New Hampshire, great state to visit. More people live in Brooklyn than the entire state.

Well NH is an important early primary state.

HappyWarrior Aug 12, 2015 • 10:45:29am

re: #8 Eclectic Cyborg

Honestly the thing I think will doom the GOP (as it has the last two elections) is that Democrats will be easily able to take the big swing states (Ohio, Florida, Colorado).

Right. GOP has a lot of work to do. When Bush won in 2000/2004, he won by one state. Florida and Ohio. I really don’t see Hillary losing a lot of the states that Obama has brought to the fold. The changing demographics in those states I think alone put the GOP at a disadvantage.

HappyWarrior Aug 12, 2015 • 10:47:28am

I think I heard that Romney got a higher percentage of the white vote than any GOP candidate had to that point. In that way, I think that’s what Coulter and Schalfry mean when they want the GOP to ignore minority voters and go afrer the vote. The problem the GOP faces long term in national elections is the country isn’t the same as when they were successful from 1968 to 1992 when they won the popular vote all but once.

Iwouldprefernotto Aug 12, 2015 • 10:48:22am

re: #9 HappyWarrior

Well NH is an important early primary state.

It’s not that important IF you have money to see more states and the field is wide open. Hillary has the funds, most of the Republican don’t.

Bernie lives next door and gets some exposure in the media.

I actually think it’s good for Hillary to lose a primary or two. Make it look like she earned it and was not crowned. If you think that Bernie can win more than a few small states, please send me a sample of what you are smoking.

HappyWarrior Aug 12, 2015 • 10:49:21am

re: #12 Iwouldprefernotto

It’s not that important IF you have money to see more states and the field is wide open. Hillary has the funds, most of the Republican don’t.

Bernie lives next door and gets some exposure in the media.

I actually think it’s good for Hillary to lose a primary or two. Make it look like she earned it and was not crowned. If you think that Bernie can win more than a few small states, please send me a sample of what you are smoking.

Oh I don’t disagree with you. I just was pointing out that NH is an important early primary state. I do think it will be good if she earns it rather than just sweeping her way there. I agree with you.

Amory Blaine Aug 12, 2015 • 10:49:29am

I predict voter ID and Brooks Brothers riot-like shenanigans will be our “hanging chads” this cycle.

Kragar Aug 12, 2015 • 10:49:57am

Bernie is ahead of Hillary in NH! If he wins there, he'll have a lock on the nomination, just like Hillary in 2008.

— Frank Conniff (@FrankConniff) August 12, 2015

ObserverArt Aug 12, 2015 • 10:51:00am

I think this is all due to the fact that much of what the media presents is positive for Bernie and negative for Hillary. The average American likes good news and gets sick about hearing the bad over and over.

Add in the “freshness” factor the media always loves and you get this type of polling.

Should Hillary get past the email BS…which seems to be coming to some type of conclusion, they have her server now…I expect the numbers to turn back around. Also, she has just started to fight. I bet just some of her politics starts to turn the numbers back around in about a month, especially if the email thing dies out.

And now that Bernie is getting some numbers and popularity I expect some of that freshness to wear off and the media to do what it always does…start attacking him too. You can already see the GOP side doing just that.

I’ll start to take these polls a bit more seriously in about 4 more months. I bet we see big changes between now and then.

Charles Johnson Aug 12, 2015 • 10:51:31am

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— Twitter (@twitter) August 12, 2015

Iwouldprefernotto Aug 12, 2015 • 10:51:37am

re: #13 HappyWarrior

Oh I don’t disagree with you. I just was pointing out that NH is an important early primary state. I do think it will be good if she earns it rather than just sweeping her way there. I agree with you.

I know. I grew up in CA and live in NY. Tired of the little states getting all the attention. Don’t get me started on Iowa…

Eclectic Cyborg Aug 12, 2015 • 10:51:58am

re: #11 HappyWarrior

NO ONE, Republican, Democrat or Independent, can win the White House without a sizable bloc of minority voters. Demographically, it’s just not possible anymore.

Until the GOP realizes that (which I don’t think will be until sometime AFTER 2016), they’ll never get one of their own in Washingtons top job.

HappyWarrior Aug 12, 2015 • 10:52:30am

re: #18 Iwouldprefernotto

I know. I grew up in CA and live in NY. Tired of the little states getting all the attention. Don’t get me started on Iowa…

I never have gotten what Iowa and New Hampshire did to get first status.

HappyWarrior Aug 12, 2015 • 10:52:42am

re: #19 Eclectic Cyborg

NO ONE, Republican, Democrat or Independent, can win the White House without a sizable bloc of minority voters. Demographically, it’s just not possible anymore.

Until the GOP realizes that (which I don’t think will be until sometime AFTER 2016), they’ll never get one of their own in Washingtons top job.

Exactly.

The Vicious Babushka Aug 12, 2015 • 10:53:05am

Hillary hasn’t been doing much campaigning while Bernie is out there. I guess Hillary wants to see what people think is important to vote for and craft her platform carefully.

She is also probably aware that she has a problem with people not liking her.

Eclectic Cyborg Aug 12, 2015 • 10:53:15am

re: #18 Iwouldprefernotto

I know. I grew up in CA and live in NY. Tired of the little states getting all the attention. Don’t get me started on Iowa…

I have been bothered for years by the fact that, out of 50 states in the Union, only three are critical when it comes to electing a President.

Iwouldprefernotto Aug 12, 2015 • 10:53:16am

re: #20 HappyWarrior

I never have gotten what Iowa and New Hampshire did to get first status.

I suspect they put out more… sluts

Eclectic Cyborg Aug 12, 2015 • 10:54:09am

re: #22 The Vicious Babushka

Hillary hasn’t been doing much campaigning while Bernie is out there. I guess Hillary wants to see what people think is important to vote for and craft her platform carefully.

She is also probably aware that she has a problem with people not liking her.

Her AND Her husband.

As long as she’s got that last name, she won’t be able to escape the shadow.

The Vicious Babushka Aug 12, 2015 • 10:55:26am

re: #25 Eclectic Cyborg

Her AND Her husband.

As long as she’s got that last name, she won’t be able to escape the shadow.

Bill was always very popular.

Dr Lizardo Aug 12, 2015 • 10:55:51am

re: #19 Eclectic Cyborg

NO ONE, Republican, Democrat or Independent, can win the White House without a sizable bloc of minority voters. Demographically, it’s just not possible anymore.

Until the GOP realizes that (which I don’t think will be until sometime AFTER 2016), they’ll never get one of their own in Washingtons top job.

I doubt they’ll do anything about it until the 2024 election cycle. By then, a larger part of the old, angry white voters will have simply died off.

Iwouldprefernotto Aug 12, 2015 • 10:56:05am

re: #25 Eclectic Cyborg

Her AND Her husband.

As long as she’s got that last name, she won’t be able to escape the shadow.

Some should tell JEB that last names can hurt you.

Dr. Matt Aug 12, 2015 • 10:57:04am

These pics from Bernie Sanders’ Los Angeles rally should scare the hell out of Hillary

HappyWarrior Aug 12, 2015 • 10:57:44am

re: #27 Dr Lizardo

I doubt they’ll do anything about it until the 2024 election cycle. By then, a larger part of the old, angry white voters will have simply died off.

By then, they’ll be trying to get us to forget that they were the homophobic party. I totally expect the elected GOPers from my generation to try to act like the GOP and right supported gay rights all along.

jamesfirecat Aug 12, 2015 • 10:57:45am

re: #11 HappyWarrior

I think I heard that Romney got a higher percentage of the white vote than any GOP candidate had to that point. In that way, I think that’s what Coulter and Schalfry mean when they want the GOP to ignore minority voters and go afrer the vote. The problem the GOP faces long term in national elections is the country isn’t the same as when they were successful from 1968 to 1992 when they won the popular vote all but once.

Lawrence Garfield (Danny DeVito )”We’re dead alright. We’re just not broke. And you know the surest way to go broke? Keep getting an increasing share of a shrinking market. Down the tubes. Slow but sure.”

-Other People’s Money

Everything that speech said about how to tell when a company is going to inevitably go belly up, it honestly feels like you could say about the modern day GOP when it comes to the political future of the party…

jaunte Aug 12, 2015 • 10:57:55am

New shocking Planned Parenthood video clearly shows members of the organization putting pineapple on pizzas and ketchup on hot dogs.
— skullsinthestars (@drskyskull) August 12, 2015

GlutenFreeJesus Aug 12, 2015 • 10:58:31am

I am telling you. A Hillary/Sanders ticked would absolutely crush Trump/Loser.

HappyWarrior Aug 12, 2015 • 10:58:54am

re: #24 Iwouldprefernotto

I suspect they put out more… sluts

Ha. Seriously, just two random states. Those are two states no disrespect to anyone living there that I wouldn’t think about much normally without the caucus and primary. I’ve heard some people propose a national primary as a counter idea.

HappyWarrior Aug 12, 2015 • 10:59:30am

re: #32 jaunte

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And what is wrong with putting ketchup on your hot dog? It doesn’t belong in the same sentence as pineapple pizza heresy.

The Vicious Babushka Aug 12, 2015 • 11:01:03am

re: #30 HappyWarrior

By then, they’ll be trying to get us to forget that they were the homophobic party. I totally expect the elected GOPers from my generation to try to act like the GOP and right supported gay rights all along.

HURR HURR TEH DEMOCRATS IS TEH REAL HOMOPHOBES!!!!!11!!

Just like TEH REAL RASSISTS!!!!!!!

HappyWarrior Aug 12, 2015 • 11:01:11am

re: #33 GlutenFreeJesus

I am telling you. A Hillary/Sanders ticked would absolutely crush Trump/Loser.

It would but I think Hillary needs to go younger for her running mate. Julian Castro is still my number one pick for that. Cory Booker wouldn’t be a crazy idea either. Both are young guys with both Washington experience and experience running in their case cities. Only thing about Cory is geographically he doesn’t add much but then again Obama didn’t need Biden for Delaware.

HappyWarrior Aug 12, 2015 • 11:01:31am

re: #36 The Vicious Babushka

HURR HURR TEH DEMOCRATS IS TEH REAL HOMOPHOBES!!!!!11!!

Just like TEH REAL RASSISTS!!!!!!!

Well yes that’s what I was thinking heh. Never underestimate revisionism.

Charles Johnson Aug 12, 2015 • 11:01:41am

There’s another anti-Planned Parenthood video out, and it’s just ridiculous. The right wing hatchet men are clearly out of material.

— Charles Johnson (@Green_Footballs) August 12, 2015

blueraven Aug 12, 2015 • 11:01:58am

It is one poll. It is early. The R’s and the media are going after Clinton on a daily basis. All true, but I definitely would not discount this poll.

I still think Hillary will get the nomination. If Bernie really does start pulling ahead, he will be a target. Right now he is flying under the radar with only good media exposure.

Varek Raith Aug 12, 2015 • 11:02:42am

re: #29 Dr. Matt

These pics from Bernie Sanders’ Los Angeles rally should scare the hell out of Hillary

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I see a sea of white people.

Ian G. Aug 12, 2015 • 11:03:13am

re: #6 Amory Blaine

This is exactly why I support him. I don’t expect him to beat Hillary. I just want him to pull her left on a variety of issues from Iran to the welfare state to financial regulations.

The Vicious Babushka Aug 12, 2015 • 11:03:20am

OK what the fuck just happened in China?

Holy shit, about 18 seconds into this https://t.co/Ohknr5pJOP

— Jordan Ashby (@JM_Ashby) August 12, 2015

Dr. Matt Aug 12, 2015 • 11:04:50am

re: #41 Varek Raith

I see a sea of white people.

Yeah. Fuck him. He should just step down.

*rolling my eyes*

ObserverArt Aug 12, 2015 • 11:05:32am

A bit of media related discovery on my part. The other day I got to wondering why both NBC and MSNBC having been using Katy Tur for more and more coverage of politics. I was first surprised to see her do the first big TV interview with Trump about a month or so ago. I thought see did a nice job with that knowing the way Trump likes to shove women reporters around.

So, I got to reading her background. First off, it did not dawn on me the spelling of her last name and another media event that got quite a bit of coverage here at LGF. That would be Benny Shapiro getting into it with Zoe Tur.

That’s right…Katy Tur is Zoe’s daughter. And Zoe is Katy’s…father/mother??? I understand in my readings that hasn’t all gone over too well between them.

The other media angle…Katy Tur hung out with Keith Olbermann for a few years in the mid to late 90s.

Anyway…a lot of fun media stuff surrounds Katy Tur’s rather colorful life.

And with that…back later. Gotta run out to my favorite place…the Ohio Bureau of Motor Vehicles to get my license plate renewal. Always fun!

Charles Johnson Aug 12, 2015 • 11:05:35am

BREAKING: Explosion in the Tianjin metropolis in northern China, according to Chinese media. http://t.co/DBEOqzXzYT pic.twitter.com/djvpSthrxZ

— Alan Wong (@alanwongw) August 12, 2015

Ian G. Aug 12, 2015 • 11:05:36am

re: #37 HappyWarrior

I like the idea of Julian Castro as her running mate, especially since it would cause a Tsar Bomba-sized head explosion on the teabagger GOP base.

The Vicious Babushka Aug 12, 2015 • 11:06:55am

Fireworks factory?

aagcobb Aug 12, 2015 • 11:07:38am

re: #37 HappyWarrior

It would but I think Hillary needs to go younger for her running mate. Julian Castro is still my number one pick for that. Cory Booker wouldn’t be a crazy idea either. Both are young guys with both Washington experience and experience running in their case cities. Only thing about Cory is geographically he doesn’t add much but then again Obama didn’t need Biden for Delaware.

Regional balance doesn’t really matter in selection of a veep.

Doofus Aug 12, 2015 • 11:07:49am

re: #6 Amory Blaine

People want to move the window left. Bernie does that. No other dem is in the game (to move Hillary).

I am glad that Bernie is moving the window to the left, but can he capture the nomination!? I hope so.

blueraven Aug 12, 2015 • 11:07:52am

re: #44 Dr. Matt

Yeah. Fuck him. He should just step down.

*rolling my eyes*

Jeebus dude. A small critique of Bernie and this? Calm down.

Dr Lizardo Aug 12, 2015 • 11:08:05am

re: #48 The Vicious Babushka

Fireworks factory?

Chemical factory (maybe), from what I’ve read elsewhere.

Eclectic Cyborg Aug 12, 2015 • 11:08:06am

re: #48 The Vicious Babushka

Fireworks factory?

That was my first guess. Maybe a Chemical plant.

Jayleia Aug 12, 2015 • 11:09:11am

re: #51 blueraven

I’m totally feeling the Bern now.

blueraven Aug 12, 2015 • 11:09:23am

re: #50 Doofus

I am glad that Bernie is moving the window to the left, but can he capture the nomination!? I hope so.

I bet you do. He would beat your candidate, Mr. Trump.

Backwoods_Sleuth Aug 12, 2015 • 11:09:50am

re: #43 The Vicious Babushka

OK what the fuck just happened in China?

[Embedded content]

We’re talking about that downstairs.
It’s either a petrochemical plant or a shipment of explosives at the docks.

Doofus Aug 12, 2015 • 11:10:02am

re: #55 blueraven

LOL!
Walker wouldn’t be so much of a loser.

HappyWarrior Aug 12, 2015 • 11:10:20am

re: #49 aagcobb

Regional balance doesn’t really matter in selection of a veep.

Yeah that’s why I was thinking that Booker being from NJ wouldn’t be a dealbreaker.

Dr. Matt Aug 12, 2015 • 11:10:27am

re: #47 Ian G.

I like the idea of Julian Castro as her running mate, especially since it would cause a Tsar Bomba-sized head explosion on the teabagger GOP base.

I like him a lot. He has the potential to be a large voice/presence in the Democrats.

Charles Johnson Aug 12, 2015 • 11:10:41am

Update:#Tianjin explosion reportedly caused by inflammables & explosives at container terminal, hundreds hospitalized pic.twitter.com/c2BUYhkrE1

— China Xinhua News (@XHNews) August 12, 2015

Kragar Aug 12, 2015 • 11:11:21am

re: #56 Backwoods_Sleuth

Or a primordial beast from the dawn of time which has awakened to unleash its wrath on the modern world.

Probably a chemical plant, but it would be irresponsible not to speculate.

aagcobb Aug 12, 2015 • 11:11:25am

re: #50 Doofus

I am glad that Bernie is moving the window to the left, but can he capture the nomination!? I hope so.

I don’t think so. If Hillary implodes, then Biden steps in, I think. Bernie is a New Englander and NH is small, rural and white, so him doing well there isn’t something Hillary should lose any sleep over.

RadicalModerate Aug 12, 2015 • 11:11:44am

re: #19 Eclectic Cyborg

NO ONE, Republican, Democrat or Independent, can win the White House without a sizable bloc of minority voters. Demographically, it’s just not possible anymore.

Until the GOP realizes that (which I don’t think will be until sometime AFTER 2016), they’ll never get one of their own in Washingtons top job.

From what I’m reading in stories - and hearing the same from friends in the African-American community, there is a distinct possibility they will be non-participants come the 2016 election - for three reasons.

First, the Democratic candidates’ seeming indifference to the resurgence of (and recently openly-displayed) racism coming at the state and local level.

Secondly, Republicans’ open hostility toward them, to the point of doing everything in their power short of reviving Jim Crow (although they’re even trying THAT in some areas) to take away their right to vote.

Finally, the African-American community not having a central figure that they can rally their support around. They had that with Obama in 2008/2012, but the candidates out there right now haven’t even attempted to energize their support.

If this does happen, it could prove to be disastrous for Democrats in 2016.

HappyWarrior Aug 12, 2015 • 11:11:47am

re: #47 Ian G.

I like the idea of Julian Castro as her running mate, especially since it would cause a Tsar Bomba-sized head explosion on the teabagger GOP base.

I really like his experience as both the mayor of a large American city and presently administrating a cabinet department. He also seems like a great guy too.

Backwoods_Sleuth Aug 12, 2015 • 11:12:04am

Blast zone was 10 km

Varek Raith Aug 12, 2015 • 11:12:19am

SCMP is saying the explosion originated from “a shipment of explosives at a container berth” #Tianjin http://t.co/DGmSVx4HIG

— Arie Riswandy (@ArieRiswandy) August 12, 2015

blueraven Aug 12, 2015 • 11:12:26am

re: #57 Doofus

LOL!
Walker wouldn’t be so much of a loser.

He is losing now against Trump; in every poll, national and statewide. Now, what is the difference between that and Hillary and Bernie? One state poll.

One of these things is not like the other.

Varek Raith Aug 12, 2015 • 11:12:36am

re: #65 Backwoods_Sleuth

Blast zone was 10 km

Fucking hell.

Amory Blaine Aug 12, 2015 • 11:12:57am

After GOP debate, Scott Walker’s Iowa numbers take a hit

As Gov. Scott Walker gears up for his stint on the Des Moines Register’s “soapbox” at the Iowa State Fair on Monday, his Iowa numbers have taken a hit.

Walker joined Marco Rubio and Mike Huckabee in seeing substantial drops from April to August in a Public Policy Polling survey of likely Iowa caucus participants released on Monday.

Walker’s level of support fell from 23 percent in April to 12 percent in August, where he’s now tied with Ben Carson. Carson and Walker trail behind Donald Trump, who leads the pack with 19 percent.

Eclectic Cyborg Aug 12, 2015 • 11:13:38am

re: #63 RadicalModerate

Excellent points, but then when you have #blacklivesmatter disrupting Bernie Sanders events it really muddies things. The BLM people should be working with Democrats, not against them.

HappyWarrior Aug 12, 2015 • 11:13:47am

re: #69 Amory Blaine

After GOP debate, Scott Walker’s Iowa numbers take a hit

And he was my pick. Don’t ask me for tomorrow’s lotto numbers.

Iwouldprefernotto Aug 12, 2015 • 11:13:57am

re: #63 RadicalModerate

From what I’m reading in stories - and hearing the same from friends in the African-American community, there is a distinct possibility they will be non-participants come the 2016 election - for three reasons.

First, the Democratic candidates’ seeming indifference to the resurgence (and recent openly-displayed) of racism coming at the state and local level.

Secondly, Republicans’ open hostility toward them, to the point of doing everything in their power short of reviving Jim Crow (although they’re even trying THAT in some areas) to take away their right to vote.

Finally, the African-American community not having a central figure that they can rally their support around. They had that with Obama in 2008/2012, but the candidates out there right now haven’t even attempted to energize their support.

If this does happen, it could prove to be disastrous for Democrats in 2016.

I would assume that Obama will campaign for the eventual nominee. If a Republican is elected it will destroy his legacy.

Varek Raith Aug 12, 2015 • 11:14:01am

re: #44 Dr. Matt

Yeah. Fuck him. He should just step down.

*rolling my eyes*

He can’t win without minorities.
Fact.
His supporters are doing a great job in ensuring he can’t.
Look, his large crowds have a distinct lack of diversity.
Why is this?

Eclectic Cyborg Aug 12, 2015 • 11:14:02am

re: #65 Backwoods_Sleuth

Blast zone was 10 km

I was thinking watching the video it almost looked like an act of war.

SteveMcGaziBolaGate Aug 12, 2015 • 11:14:05am

I’ve said this other places, but what the heck, I’m a nag. Wherever Hilary Clinton went in 2008 (if there was an extended campaigning period between primaries), her numbers went down. Most notably in March/April 2008 in the runup to the PA primary, the Rev. Wright furor was in full afterburner, and I think the Obama quote about “clinging to guns and religion” (heh) was also in play. Yet Clinton led by 20 ish six weeks before the primary and only won by 9%. Part of it was her, part was because of Barack Obama. Bernie Sanders is no Barack Obama, but Hilary is still Hilary.

Doofus Aug 12, 2015 • 11:14:32am

re: #67 blueraven

I remember when Howard Stern planned about running for Guvnah of New York. He talked a good talk but once he had to lay out his monetary worth, he quit. I feel Trump will do the same thing, I am just curious as to what will stop Trump.

HappyWarrior Aug 12, 2015 • 11:14:34am

re: #70 Eclectic Cyborg

Excellent points, but then when you have #blacklivesmatter disrupting Bernie Sanders events it really muddies things. The BLM people should be working with Democrats, not against them.

Well the same thing could be said about the Democrats. Remember Roorda, the Missouri state rep who has been the biggest apologist for police violence and kissing Wilson’s ass is a Dem.

gwangung Aug 12, 2015 • 11:14:47am

re: #63 RadicalModerate

From what I’m reading in stories - and hearing the same from friends in the African-American community, there is a distinct possibility they will be non-participants come the 2016 election - for three reasons.

First, the Democratic candidates’ seeming indifference to the resurgence (and recent openly-displayed) of racism coming at the state and local level.

Some white people don’t seem to take this seriously…it’s taking the black vote for granted. But it’s just DUMB politics—if they’re a loyal bloc of voters, they SHOULD have a plank that’s central to your platform.

Varek Raith Aug 12, 2015 • 11:14:56am

From downstairs;
…

Dr. Matt Aug 12, 2015 • 11:15:07am

First Trailer for Quentin Tarantino’s ‘Hateful Eight’ Debuts

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge Aug 12, 2015 • 11:15:43am

re: #10 HappyWarrior

Right. GOP has a lot of work to do. When Bush won in 2000/2004, he won by one state. Florida and Ohio. I really don’t see Hillary losing a lot of the states that Obama has brought to the fold. The changing demographics in those states I think alone put the GOP at a disadvantage.

The only threat is if the GOP gets away with their conspiracy to split up a state’s Electoral Votes. Failing that, no Democratic nominee is going to lose any state in the Kerry map, and one more big state—Ohio, Florida, Virginia—puts them over the top.

HappyWarrior Aug 12, 2015 • 11:15:59am

re: #73 Varek Raith

He can’t win without minorities.
Fact.
His supporters are doing a great job in ensuring he can’t.
Look, his large crowds have a distinct lack of diversity.
Why is this?

It’s a fair question. Bernie needs to expand his base. Not sure if I said it downstairs but politics is more than just issues, it’s people.

aagcobb Aug 12, 2015 • 11:16:05am

re: #63 RadicalModerate

From what I’m reading in stories - and hearing the same from friends in the African-American community, there is a distinct possibility they will be non-participants come the 2016 election - for three reasons.

First, the Democratic candidates’ seeming indifference to the resurgence (and recent openly-displayed) of racism coming at the state and local level.

Secondly, Republicans’ open hostility toward them, to the point of doing everything in their power short of reviving Jim Crow (although they’re even trying THAT in some areas) to take away their right to vote.

Finally, the African-American community not having a central figure that they can rally their support around. They had that with Obama in 2008/2012, but the candidates out there right now haven’t even attempted to energize their support.

If this does happen, it could prove to be disastrous for Democrats in 2016.

Don’t panic, there is a huge amount of time between now and election day to energize the African-American base. I’m sure Obama, for one, will work hard for the nominee because preserving his legacy depends on electing a D President.

Dr. Matt Aug 12, 2015 • 11:16:17am

re: #70 Eclectic Cyborg

Excellent points, but then when you have #blacklivesmatter disrupting Bernie Sanders events it really muddies things. The BLM people should be working with Democrats, not against them.

And they shouldn’t be calling the White Progressives of Seattle “White supremacists”.

Amory Blaine Aug 12, 2015 • 11:16:17am

Help wanted at maximum security prisons: Low pay, high stress, dangerous conditions

Len Below didn’t plan on retiring this year. But forced overtime and growing safety concerns at Columbia Correctional Institution got to be too much for the veteran guard.

“They are severely understaffed,” said the 54-year-old sergeant, who left the job in April after 33 years. “It’s getting to be very unsafe there.”

Below is one of several sergeants who have retired from the maximum-security facility in Portage since February. One current staffer put the tally at nine, with three others transferring to other institutions late last year. And that doesn’t include newer officers who have fled the high stress and low pay that comes with working at an institution that some say is getting less safe every day.

And beginning last week, CCI implemented changes spelled out in the state budget that will leave most of its guard towers empty overnight.

Varek Raith Aug 12, 2015 • 11:16:30am

It’s hard to judge distance at night, but that blast was fucking huge.

HappyWarrior Aug 12, 2015 • 11:16:30am

re: #81 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

The only threat is if the GOP gets away with their conspiracy to split up a state’s Electoral Votes. Failing that, no Democratic nominee is going to lose any state in the Kerry map, and one more big state—Ohio, Florida, Virginia—puts them over the top.

I think Hillary could win all three of those states.

HappyWarrior Aug 12, 2015 • 11:16:43am

re: #84 Dr. Matt

And they shouldn’t be calling the White Progressives of Seattle “White supremacists”.

That was one person. Don’t act like the whole movement is like that because of one person. Hell from what I saw the BLM people appreciated the issues thing that Sanders released. And I think it’s a fair issue to discuss Sanders’ struggles with minority groups. He’s going to need them to both win the nomination and election.

Backwoods_Sleuth Aug 12, 2015 • 11:17:25am

Kind of a weird thing here.
Sometime yesterday, the “Show Users” button at the bottom of threads quit working for me.
Sometimes it will show one or two people, but usually the window is empty.
I’ve cleared my cache, closed and restarted the browser, rebooted the computer, logged out and then back in to LGF.

Weird.

Dr. Matt Aug 12, 2015 • 11:17:57am

re: #88 HappyWarrior

That was one person.

One person representing a movement.

Eclectic Cyborg Aug 12, 2015 • 11:18:05am

re: #80 Dr. Matt

First Trailer for Quentin Tarantino’s ‘Hateful Eight’ Debuts

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Video

Looks exciting. I love QT.

dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸ Aug 12, 2015 • 11:18:33am

im sure the republic party will win with its positive, uplifting message for america

America and the Republican Party are dead. America was murdered by Barack Obama and his supporters. The Republican Party was murdered by John Boehner, Mitch McConnell and the US Chamber of Commerce. Bringing them back to life is not something we should bank on happening. The number of people who see America as being on the wrong track hovers above 65% and it has not been less than 61% since mid-February. Approval ratings for the Republican Party are at historic lows. Both are dead.

Doctors are advised to, “First do no harm.” Their job is to help mend and cure the injured and sick. Since they are not miracle workers we cannot expect them to resurrect the dead. Nevertheless, when a body is dead, it is dead and nothing can be done to bring it back or harm it. This is why those who do autopsies don’t have much to worry about - they can’t lose a patient.

Donald Trump can’t kill a dead body. He very well might not be able to bring America and the Republican Party back to life; but what harm can he do to a dead body?

Trump is the guy who is at the door of the morgue saying, “Hey, I know these guys. Can I try to bring them back to life?” Where is the harm in giving him a chance to try his hand at performing a miracle?

The rest of the Republican field contains some very skilled and attractive candidates; but none has the potential to bring “come back” know how to Washington to the degree Trump can. When the situation is as bad as we all know it is; we don’t want to nominate a person that cannot think in dynamic terms. We can’t afford to look good but lose as we have so many times before.

Ted Cruz is a very good man; but he will be eviscerated by the Democrats using the same old playbook they chopped up ordinary Republican candidates with before. He cannot win. Dr. Carson would get the Herman Caine treatment even if they had to make things up out of whole cloth. Scott Walker is just not ready.

This leaves us with Donald Trump, a guy who is hated by the Chamber of Commerce. He is far from perfect but will make the Russians the Chinese and the Iranians listen and is all of these are good things.

“Paging Doctor Trump, please report to the morgue immediately!”

Trump can’t kill a dead body.

HappyWarrior Aug 12, 2015 • 11:18:55am

re: #90 Dr. Matt

One person representing a movement.

Okay fair enough but I do think Sanders does need to improve on how he does with minority voters if he wants to succeed. That definitely is a legitimate point.

Varek Raith Aug 12, 2015 • 11:19:24am

re: #90 Dr. Matt

One person representing a movement.

Ok.
Do you or any Bernie supporter realize how bad you all are sounding right now with regards to BLM?
Do you?

Amory Blaine Aug 12, 2015 • 11:19:25am

Bernie’s policy stances speak for many. Are they not inclusive policies aimed at development of security for the poor that is at the heart of many of our social ills?

Dr. Matt Aug 12, 2015 • 11:19:41am

re: #91 Eclectic Cyborg

Looks exciting. I love QT.

Great cast as usual.

Decatur Deb Aug 12, 2015 • 11:19:54am

New Hampshire—Vermont. They speak the same language.

Eclectic Cyborg Aug 12, 2015 • 11:20:08am

re: #90 Dr. Matt

One person representing a movement.

Which highlights the problem with BLM. They need to get better organized and focus their efforts around dedicated spokespeople, not random supporters saying whatever.

Varek Raith Aug 12, 2015 • 11:20:21am

This is weird.
I just don’t get the Bernie bandwagon.

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Eclectic Cyborg Aug 12, 2015 • 11:20:25am

re: #96 Dr. Matt

Great cast as usual.

I did find myself missing Christoph Waltz though. :P

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The Vicious Babushka Aug 12, 2015 • 11:21:14am

re: #99 Varek Raith

This is weird.
I just don’t get the Bernie bandwagon.

HNH

He’s Not Hillary

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HappyWarrior Aug 12, 2015 • 11:21:14am

re: #95 Amory Blaine

Bernie’s policy stances speak for many. Are they not inclusive policies aimed at development of security for the poor that is at the heart of many of our social ills?

I think policy stances only really go too far. I think what made a guy like RFK beloved in the African-American community and a guy like Eugene McCarthy struggle in the same community is RFK was willing to talk and listen to African-American voters in a way that Clean Gene struggled with. As I said, politics isn’t mere issues, it’s people. Biden I think more than any potential Democrat running I’ve seen gets that.

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Iwouldprefernotto Aug 12, 2015 • 11:21:24am

re: #76 Doofus

I remember when Howard Stern planned about running for Guvnah of New York. He talked a good talk but once he had to lay out his monetary worth, he quit. I feel Trump will do the same thing, I am just curious as to what will stop Trump.

Garlic? A mirror? Wooden stake.? Silver Bullet? Holy Water?

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Varek Raith Aug 12, 2015 • 11:21:44am

If they thought Obama disappointed them, just wait till they realize that Bernie can’t deliver on a lot of his big ideas.

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HappyWarrior Aug 12, 2015 • 11:22:08am

re: #101 The Vicious Babushka

HNH

He’s Not Hillary

Well I think that’s not entirely the case. I think that does play a role but an outspoken and proud self described Democratic socialist does appeal a lot to parts of the base who have long wanted a proud and outspoken liberal.

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Doofus Aug 12, 2015 • 11:22:26am

re: #97 Decatur Deb

You cahnt get there from here.

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Jenner7 Aug 12, 2015 • 11:22:36am

Probably one of the closest #Tianjin explosion videos https://t.co/QrIXZmIm7z if you find yourself at this distance from a blast, run

— Asteris Masouras ?? (@asteris) August 12, 2015

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aagcobb Aug 12, 2015 • 11:22:46am

re: #104 Varek Raith

If they thought Obama disappointed them, just wait till they realize that Bernie can’t deliver on a lot of his big ideas.

As long as the GOP controls the House, anything worth doing will have to do done by executive action, just as Obama has been doing.

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Amory Blaine Aug 12, 2015 • 11:22:47am

So because Bernie doesn’t embrace a budding movement out of the gate (while he’s ramping up a run I might add) that makes him, out of touch?

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blueraven Aug 12, 2015 • 11:23:11am

re: #84 Dr. Matt

And they shouldn’t be calling the White Progressives of Seattle “White supremacists”.

You keep saying “they”…it was one woman doing this. And while I agree, she was not particularly helpful with that language, I do not fault the group for the disruption. I wish they would have allowed Bernie to answer their demands.

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HappyWarrior Aug 12, 2015 • 11:23:22am

re: #104 Varek Raith

If they thought Obama disappointed them, just wait till they realize that Bernie can’t deliver on a lot of his big ideas.

That is what I think many of them don’t get. Bernie can have all these great ideas but he’s going to need to get them past Congress. I don’t see Bernie having superior legislative pull compared to Hillary, Biden, or even O’Malley. I like the guy and I still intend on voting for him but it’s something that ought to be considered when talking about him.

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BeachDem Aug 12, 2015 • 11:23:26am

re: #13 HappyWarrior

Oh I don’t disagree with you. I just was pointing out that NH is an important early primary state. I do think it will be good if she earns it rather than just sweeping her way there. I agree with you.

Just to reiterate, Hillary is up by 70 points in the most recent South Carolina poll—she lost here in all but one county in 2008.

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Skip Intro Aug 12, 2015 • 11:23:39am

re: #83 aagcobb

What worries me is that the same incompetent who ran the DNC in 2014 still runs it today.

I keep waiting for some Dem mucky-muck to latch onto the GOP idea that a mother’s life is worth nothing compared to a fetus and making sure that the media has to carry stories about it.

How about getting off of your asses, Dem leaders? In just one “debate” the GOP has handed you enough material for a year, yet all I hear is crickets.

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wrenchwench Aug 12, 2015 • 11:23:52am

re: #99 Varek Raith

This is weird.
I just don’t get the Bernie bandwagon.

I see it as motivated by a basic anti-establishment outlook. Hillary, with her resume, is very ‘establishment’.

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Dr. Matt Aug 12, 2015 • 11:23:52am

re: #94 Varek Raith

Ok.
Do you or any Bernie supporter realize how bad you all are sounding right now with regards to BLM?
Do you?

I’m not a Bernie supporter. Does that BLM agitator realize how bad she sounds by calling an entire city “White Supremacists”? Does that BLM bigot agitator realize how bad she sounds when claims all of Sanders supporters are “kale smoothie sipping racists”? I have nothing against BLM….I have a huge problem with a bigoted agitator who sounds no different from a teabagger.

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HappyWarrior Aug 12, 2015 • 11:24:08am

re: #112 BeachDem

Just to reiterate, Hillary is up by 70 points in the most recent South Carolina poll—she lost here in all but one county in 2008.

Interesting.

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Dr. Matt Aug 12, 2015 • 11:24:21am

re: #100 Eclectic Cyborg

I did find myself missing Christoph Waltz though. :P

He’s like queso….he makes everything better.

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aagcobb Aug 12, 2015 • 11:24:27am

re: #109 Amory Blaine

So because Bernie doesn’t embrace a budding movement out of the gate (while he’s ramping up a run I might add) that makes him, out of touch?

OK, this has been a huge issue with a key Democratic constituency for at least a year.

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Varek Raith Aug 12, 2015 • 11:24:34am

re: #107 Jenner7

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That’s like a tactical nuke.
Holy fucking shit.

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Blind Frog Belly White Aug 12, 2015 • 11:25:07am

re: #70 Eclectic Cyborg

Excellent points, but then when you have #blacklivesmatter disrupting Bernie Sanders events it really muddies things. The BLM people should be working with Democrats, not against them.

Democrats should be working with BLM. That’s pretty much BLM’s point.

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Amory Blaine Aug 12, 2015 • 11:25:20am

re: #104 Varek Raith

If they thought Obama disappointed them, just wait till they realize that Bernie can’t deliver on a lot of his big ideas.

That’s funny. I don’t feel disappointed even though I was screaming for a public option and wanted prosecution of Bush’s regime.

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HappyWarrior Aug 12, 2015 • 11:25:55am

re: #114 wrenchwench

I see it as motivated by a basic anti-establishment outlook. Hillary, with her resume, is very ‘establishment’.

There is that too. I really think it’s a lot of what we’ve discussed. I understand Bernie’s appeal. He’s been there on a lot of issues that the party’s left feels that Hillary hasn’t been there on but where they have to sell people on IMO is whether that makes him a viable leader. You can have all the principles in the world but if you can’t convince people to pass them. I mean to Bernie’s credit, he was once mayor of Vermont’s capital so it’s not like he’s just some idealist who is all pie in the sky.

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Skip Intro Aug 12, 2015 • 11:25:58am

re: #99 Varek Raith

This is weird.
I just don’t get the Bernie bandwagon.

Many Dems have been waiting for a progressive candidate for years. Obama is what a moderate Republican used to be, and Hillary isn’t much different. There’s a pent up demand for someone to challenge the status quo on both the right and left.

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Jenner7 Aug 12, 2015 • 11:25:59am

re: #115 Dr. Matt

It was my understanding they weren’t the official BLM Seattle organizers and that the officials apologized to the Sanders campaign.

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Kragar Aug 12, 2015 • 11:26:45am

re: #100 Eclectic Cyborg

It did have Tim Roth however, which I will take.

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Varek Raith Aug 12, 2015 • 11:26:52am

re: #123 Skip Intro

Many Dems have been waiting for a progressive candidate for years. Obama is what a moderate Republican used to be, and Hillary isn’t much different. There’s a pent up demand for someone to challenge the status quo on both the right and left.

Which means bugger all if he can’t win a general.

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Decatur Deb Aug 12, 2015 • 11:26:53am

re: #120 Blind Frog Belly White

Democrats should be working with BLM. That’s pretty much BLM’s point.

What does BLM plan to do on Saturday to protect the gains made by the President?

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blueraven Aug 12, 2015 • 11:27:37am

re: #76 Doofus

I remember when Howard Stern planned about running for Guvnah of New York. He talked a good talk but once he had to lay out his monetary worth, he quit. I feel Trump will do the same thing, I am just curious as to what will stop Trump.

As long as he is accepted by a larger portion of R voters? Nothing. At least in the primary season.
There doesn’t seem to be a line he cannot cross with them. It is the base of the R party.

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Dr. Matt Aug 12, 2015 • 11:27:52am

re: #124 Jenner7

It was my understanding they weren’t the official BLM Seattle organizers and that the officials apologized to the Sanders campaign.

They was the original story, but deadstate.org retracted the original report as false. It’s not clear yet.

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Dr. Matt Aug 12, 2015 • 11:28:24am

re: #127 Decatur Deb

What does BLM plan to do on Saturday to protect the gains made by the President?

What’s going on Saturday?

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Skip Intro Aug 12, 2015 • 11:28:33am

re: #126 Varek Raith

I agree, but that’s why he’s drawing crowds now.

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Blind Frog Belly White Aug 12, 2015 • 11:28:40am

re: #127 Decatur Deb

What does BLM plan to do on Saturday to protect the gains made by the President?

Saturday?

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Decatur Deb Aug 12, 2015 • 11:29:08am

re: #130 Dr. Matt

What’s going on Saturday?

It’s three days closer to the election we could lose.

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HappyWarrior Aug 12, 2015 • 11:29:26am

re: #126 Varek Raith

Which means bugger all if he can’t win a general.

To be fair Varek, a lot of people said the same about Obama too. Granted Bernie does have certain disadvantages that Obama never had.

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Eclectic Cyborg Aug 12, 2015 • 11:30:02am

re: #128 blueraven

As long as he is accepted by a larger portion of R voters? Nothing. At least is the primary season.
There doesn’t seem to be a line he cannot cross with them. It is the base of the R party.

Which is the same problem that fucked Romney in 2012. He had run WAAY to the right to win the nomination then desperately scurry back to the center to try and win the General. Some of the right wing nutjobs bailed on him because they thought he was a RINO and few independents were swayed by his newly centrist stance on the issues.

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Jenner7 Aug 12, 2015 • 11:30:27am

Well, I’m going to go “both sides” on this issue. The candidates should have been prepared for this movement and the movement should be more cohesive in what they actually want accomplished.

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BeachDem Aug 12, 2015 • 11:30:30am

re: #25 Eclectic Cyborg

Her AND Her husband.

As long as she’s got that last name, she won’t be able to escape the shadow.

Bill Clinton is almost certainly the most popular person in American politics. A new NBC-Wall Street Journal poll showed that 56 percent of people have a positive view of the former president while just 26 percent hold a negative one.

washingtonpost.com

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Single-handed sailor Aug 12, 2015 • 11:31:08am

A screen grab from here

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HappyWarrior Aug 12, 2015 • 11:31:16am

re: #135 Eclectic Cyborg

Which is the same problem that fucked Romney in 2012. He had run WAAY to the right to win the nomination then desperately scurry back to the center to try and win the General. Some of the right wing nutjobs bailed on him because they thought he was a RINO and few independents were swayed by his newly centrist stance on the issues.

McCain did the same thing and whoever the R nominee is next will do. You can bank on it. That kind of bullshit is precisely how Romney “won” the first debate by wiping his hands completely of 2012 primary candidate Romney. Fortunately Obama called him out on his bullshit and won the last two debates and Biden beat Ryan.

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Varek Raith Aug 12, 2015 • 11:31:44am

re: #134 HappyWarrior

To be fair Varek, a lot of people said the same about Obama too. Granted Bernie does have certain disadvantages that Obama never had.

True.
But it’s far more obvious in Bernie’s supporters. I bet a lot of them were also part of the OWS movement.
Which failed because they lost interest because things wouldn’t change fast enough.
I can totally see many of them jumping ship on Bernie for this very reason.

I know I sound angry, because I am. This reeks of Nader all over again.

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HappyWarrior Aug 12, 2015 • 11:32:10am

re: #137 BeachDem

Bill Clinton is almost certainly the most popular person in American politics. A new NBC-Wall Street Journal poll showed that 56 percent of people have a positive view of the former president while just 26 percent hold a negative one.

washingtonpost.com

It’s always that damn 26-27% of people.

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Dr. Matt Aug 12, 2015 • 11:32:52am

re: #141 HappyWarrior

It’s always that damn 26-27% of people.

Likely the same 26% that support Trump.

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Amory Blaine Aug 12, 2015 • 11:32:58am

Which progressive politicians took up OWS cause? Who used that momentum to reel in Wall street? No one.

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HappyWarrior Aug 12, 2015 • 11:34:11am

re: #142 Dr. Matt

Likely the same 26% that support Trump.

The same 26% that are convinced that Obama was born in Kenya and is a Muslim and believes that Obama destroyed the World Trade Center and has Osama Bin Laden living in the White House’s spare bedroom where he sneaks out to play poker with Obama, Qaddafi, and the ISIL head.

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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸ Aug 12, 2015 • 11:34:22am

re: #141 HappyWarrior

It’s always that damn 26-27% of people.

i call it the moron percentage

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HappyWarrior Aug 12, 2015 • 11:34:50am

re: #145 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸

i call it the moron percentage

Sounds about right. I’d love to learn more about the demographics of this group.

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Decatur Deb Aug 12, 2015 • 11:35:07am

re: #143 Amory Blaine

Which progressive politicians took up OWS cause?

Warren, when she could be heard over the noise.

(This assumes there was a definable cause, and not a Rorschach test.)

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Varek Raith Aug 12, 2015 • 11:35:10am

re: #146 HappyWarrior

Sounds about right. I’d love to learn more about the demographics of this group.

Take this hazmat suit.

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Blind Frog Belly White Aug 12, 2015 • 11:35:13am

re: #133 Decatur Deb

It’s three days closer to the election we could lose.

So they should just swallow their anger, accept that they’re being gunned down in the streets, and get behind candidates that put other issues ahead of their actual lives?

Sure, we could lose the election, but if nobody on either side is going to do anything about the fact that they’re being gunned down in the streets - especially the side that depends on them to show up and vote - why should they care?

The black vote has been key to Democratic wins the last two Presidential cycles, and without an Obama on the ticket to inspire blacks to get out and vote, addressing what is THE most important issue to a key part of the coalition is smart politics. THAT’S how you win elections.

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HappyWarrior Aug 12, 2015 • 11:36:19am

re: #148 Varek Raith

Take this hazmat suit.

Heh. I bet I know some of these people. Both of our state senators, Bonehead Bob Marshall and Dangling Dick Black are part of this group, Varek.

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Decatur Deb Aug 12, 2015 • 11:37:29am

re: #149 Blind Frog Belly White

So they should just swallow their anger, accept that they’re being gunned down in the streets, and get behind candidates that put other issues ahead of their actual lives?

Sure, we could lose the election, but if nobody on either side is going to do anything about the fact that they’re being gunned down in the streets - especially the side that depends on them to show up and vote - why should they care?

The black vote has been key to Democratic wins the last two Presidential cycles, and without an Obama on the ticket to inspire blacks to get out and vote, addressing what is THE most important issue to a key part of the coalition is smart politics. THAT’S how you win elections.

BLM is a small slice of a non-monolithic minority vote, and it is in the process of being hijacked by an even smaller faction.

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Varek Raith Aug 12, 2015 • 11:38:57am

As long as a Republican doesn’t win because we foolishly went all stupid on ourselves and stayed home, I’ll be happy.

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Blind Frog Belly White Aug 12, 2015 • 11:40:13am

It’s also worth noting that the crazy wing of the GOP made a whole lot of progress on their issues by NOT simply getting behind whoever was going to be the likely nominee. We laughed and pointed at their crazy-ass candidates, who lost them their chance at the Senate two cycles in a row.

Who controls the Senate now? Who controls the House? Who controls the GOP?

BLM could be more politic, sure. But they’re getting the Democratic candidates to listen, and respond.

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HappyWarrior Aug 12, 2015 • 11:40:22am

re: #152 Varek Raith

As long as a Republican doesn’t win because we foolishly went all stupid on our selves and stayed home, I’ll be happy.

I’m with you there. Better to get some of what I want than shit little of what I want out of government. That’s what the purer than thou types drive me crazy with. By all means vote your heart out in the primary if that’s what you want to do but don’t refuse to vote because you didn’t get your way in the general.

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Eclectic Cyborg Aug 12, 2015 • 11:41:26am

Any updates on the possibility of a potential Biden run?

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Varek Raith Aug 12, 2015 • 11:41:27am

If Bernie is the nom, he gets my vote.
If O’Malley is (ugh), he gets my vote.
HRC same.
A freaking brick?
Same.

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Varek Raith Aug 12, 2015 • 11:41:59am

re: #155 Eclectic Cyborg

Any updates on the possibility of a potential Biden run?

That is the wildcard, ain’t it?

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Decatur Deb Aug 12, 2015 • 11:42:34am

re: #156 Varek Raith

If Bernie is the nom, he gets my vote.
If O’Malley is (ugh), he gets my vote.
HRC same.
A freaking brick?
Same.

Ahem. This is the kennel of the Yellow Dogs.

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Blind Frog Belly White Aug 12, 2015 • 11:42:52am

re: #151 Decatur Deb

BLM is a small slice of a non-monolithic minority vote, and it is in the process of being hijacked by an even smaller faction.

BLM the ‘organization’, yes. BLM the issue? Not so much. Fail to address it, and a lot of people will wonder why they should vote Democratic.

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Kragar Aug 12, 2015 • 11:43:07am

re: #156 Varek Raith

My vote goes to whoever has the best shot at keeping a Republican out of office.

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Decatur Deb Aug 12, 2015 • 11:43:57am

re: #159 Blind Frog Belly White

BLM the ‘organization’, yes. BLM the issue? Not so much. Fail to address it, and a lot of people will wonder why they should vote Democratic.

You just described the reason lizards have been derping on each other for three days.

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Varek Raith Aug 12, 2015 • 11:44:09am

re: #160 Kragar

My vote goes to whoever has the best shot at keeping a Republican out of office.

Yep, pretty much.

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Blind Frog Belly White Aug 12, 2015 • 11:44:53am

re: #161 Decatur Deb

You just described the reason lizards have been derping on each other for three days.

I refer you to Oliver Willis’ excellent post on BLM. He said it better than I ever could.

ETA: he’s up front about the possibility of devolving into another OWS.

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lawhawk Aug 12, 2015 • 11:45:39am

re: #86 Varek Raith

It’s hard to judge distance at night, but that blast was fucking huge.

I’d say the first of the videos above was taken from about a mile away (from time the explosion shows until the shock wave hits)

This video was shot from well under a mile - I’d say a few hundred yards to half mile from the looks of it.

Huge doesn’t quite begin to cover it. That reminds me of the big explosion outside Las Vegas years back when a fire set off rocket fuel in a series of huge explosions (Pepcon).

400 reported injured in massive explosion in #China city of #Tianjin. Latest updates: http://t.co/qGv1GIcb5T pic.twitter.com/s0T2M9dxFw

— Jim Roberts (@nycjim) August 12, 2015

Those casualty reports are going to get a whole lot more grim.

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BeachDem Aug 12, 2015 • 11:47:14am

re: #111 HappyWarrior

That is what I think many of them don’t get. Bernie can have all these great ideas but he’s going to need to get them past Congress. I don’t see Bernie having superior legislative pull compared to Hillary, Biden, or even O’Malley. I like the guy and I still intend on voting for him but it’s something that ought to be considered when talking about him.

Don’t you know? According to koskids, Bernie, during his first term as president, will fight with both Republicans and Democrats, hence accomplishing next to nothing, but somehow, via osmosis or magic unicorns, that will create a cross-country wave, wherein yellowdog Dems will sweep every statewide and national election in 2020, so when Bernie begins his second term, he will have the support of everyone on the planet.
////

It’s twoo, it’s twoo—the koskids said so!

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Teukka Aug 12, 2015 • 11:48:21am

re: #164 lawhawk

I’d say the first of the videos above was taken from about a mile away (from time the explosion shows until the shock wave hits)

This video was shot from well under a mile - I’d say a few hundred yards to half mile from the looks of it.

Huge doesn’t quite begin to cover it. That reminds me of the big explosion outside Las Vegas years back when a fire set off rocket fuel in a series of huge explosions (Pepcon).

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Those casualty reports are going to get a whole lot more grim.

Yeah. I would expect this to be 4 or 5 digit territory when the dust settles.

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HappyWarrior Aug 12, 2015 • 11:48:47am

re: #165 BeachDem

Don’t you know? According to koskids, Bernie, during his first term as president, will fight with both Republicans and Democrats, hence accomplishing next to nothing, but somehow, via osmosis or magic unicorns, that will create a cross-country wave, wherein yellowdog Dems will sweep every statewide and national election in 2020, so when Bernie begins his second term, he will have the support of everyone on the planet.
////

It’s twoo, it’s twoo—the koskids said so!

Heh. In all honesty, the mindset kind of reminds me of the conservatives who convince themselves they lose because they’re not conservative enough. In fact, I saw the mindset from the moonbatty part of the left after 2004 first well before McCain and Romney suddenly became RINOs.

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HappyWarrior Aug 12, 2015 • 11:49:34am

I think there’s gotta be a reasonable middle ground though. I don’t do idealism just for the sake of idealism and I don’t do pragmatism for the sake of pragmatism. I combine the two.

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Bubblehead II Aug 12, 2015 • 11:49:42am

re: #89 Backwoods_Sleuth

Kind of a weird thing here.
Sometime yesterday, the “Show Users” button at the bottom of threads quit working for me.
Sometimes it will show one or two people, but usually the window is empty.
I’ve cleared my cache, closed and restarted the browser, rebooted the computer, logged out and then back in to LGF.

Weird.

I noticed that this morning. Right now it’s only showing aacogg as the only active user.

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#FergusonFireside Aug 12, 2015 • 11:49:46am

re: #109 Amory Blaine

So because Bernie doesn’t embrace a budding movement out of the gate (while he’s ramping up a run I might add) that makes him, out of touch?

He has embraced it. I’m happy about that. It’s his supporters who are still losing their shit and really screwing with his message.

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Timothy Watson Aug 12, 2015 • 11:50:05am

re: #165 BeachDem

Don’t you know? According to koskids, Bernie, during his first term as president, will fight with both Republicans and Democrats, hence accomplishing next to nothing, but somehow, via osmosis or magic unicorns, that will create a cross-country wave, wherein yellowdog Dems will sweep every statewide and national election in 2020, so when Bernie begins his second term, he will have the support of everyone on the planet.
////

It’s twoo, it’s twoo—the koskids said so!

I know that Bernie Sanders is nothing like Ron Paul, but damn, some of his supporters sound like Paulbots.

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klys (maker of Silmarils) Aug 12, 2015 • 11:51:21am

Until the answer to the question “why should anyone who cares about BLM care about my opinion” is something other than “because I am a random white person on the Internet who has feelings,” I don’t see the point in offering one.

My risk when interacting with police is substantially lower. I will never face the issues the same way they do. For me to come in and say “you’re doing it wrong” with no background in activism or experience with the issues is …presumptuous at best.

But that’s me, and let’s face it: this is the Internet.

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Dr Lizardo Aug 12, 2015 • 11:51:58am

re: #166 Teukka

Yeah. I would expect this to be 4 or 5 digit territory when the dust settles.

Looking at that one video, the one seems to be closest to the explosion, I’m thinking that person most likely didn’t survive that, provided it wasn’t just some streaming feed from a cam.

Damn…..really bad.

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Backwoods_Sleuth Aug 12, 2015 • 11:52:06am

re: #169 Bubblehead II

I noticed that this morning. Right now it’s only showing aacogg as the only active user.

same here…aagcobb is the only one.

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HappyWarrior Aug 12, 2015 • 11:52:13am

re: #172 klys (maker of Silmarils)

Until the answer to the question “why should anyone who cares about BLM care about my opinion” is something other than “because I am a random white person on the Internet who has feelings,” I don’t see the point in offering one.

My risk when interacting with police is substantially lower. I will never face the issues the same way they do. For me to come in and say “you’re doing it wrong” with no background in activism or experience with the issues is …presumptuous at best.

But that’s me, and let’s face it: this is the Internet.

Fucking A. Right on.

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HappyWarrior Aug 12, 2015 • 11:52:59am

re: #170 #FergusonFireside

He has embraced it. I’m happy about that. It’s his supporters who are still losing their shit and really screwing with his message.

My problem is some of his supporters freak out at any criticism of him. I think it’s that part of them that as Timothy said has a certain Paul ringing to them.

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#FergusonFireside Aug 12, 2015 • 11:53:49am

re: #140 Varek Raith

True.
But it’s far more obvious in Bernie’s supporters. I bet a lot of them were also part of the OWS movement.
Which failed because they lost interest because things wouldn’t change fast enough.
I can totally see many of them jumping ship on Bernie for this very reason.

I know I sound angry, because I am. This reeks of Nader all over again.

I think there’s also a whiff of Paulians,

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Single-handed sailor Aug 12, 2015 • 11:54:35am

: ??????????????????????????????????????????????? #Tianjin ???????????????????????? pic.twitter.com/RA1t7OVYne ???-Xinhua

— Poupée (@poupee_camil) August 12, 2015

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Backwoods_Sleuth Aug 12, 2015 • 11:55:01am

re: #169 Bubblehead II

I noticed that this morning. Right now it’s only showing aacogg as the only active user.

PS: Relieved to know I’m not the only one.
:)

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BeachDem Aug 12, 2015 • 11:55:13am

re: #139 HappyWarrior

Biden beat Ryan.

I prefer to think of it as “Biden laughed until he nearly cried, at the idiocy and shallowness of Paul Ryan and his ludicrous candidacy.”
//

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HappyWarrior Aug 12, 2015 • 11:55:25am

I think there’s always a candidate that attracts a certain mindset of people. It’s not even ideological since Ron Paul and Bernie Sanders are quite different.

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Varek Raith Aug 12, 2015 • 11:55:46am

re: #178 Single-handed sailor

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Damn…

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Higgs Boson's Mate Aug 12, 2015 • 11:56:25am

re: #178 Single-handed sailor

“Now you’re fucked.”

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Charles Johnson Aug 12, 2015 • 11:56:26am

re: #169 Bubblehead II

I noticed that this morning. Right now it’s only showing aacogg as the only active user.

Bug. Now fixed - will take a few minutes for everyone to show up again.

Another little insect introduced in the redesign.

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HappyWarrior Aug 12, 2015 • 11:56:31am

re: #180 BeachDem

I prefer to think of it as “Biden laughed until he nearly cried, at the idiocy and shallowness of Paul Ryan and his ludicrous candidacy.”
//

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I myself still can’t believe Ryan felt the need to lie about his marathon times. I mean I don’t like Ryan but just saying you finished some marathons in the time he did was impressive. But what does one expect from an Ayn Rand fanboy I guess.

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Backwoods_Sleuth Aug 12, 2015 • 11:56:54am

re: #178 Single-handed sailor

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YOW!!!!!!!!!!!

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Jenner7 Aug 12, 2015 • 11:57:02am

re: #178 Single-handed sailor

Oh lord. Horrible.

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Backwoods_Sleuth Aug 12, 2015 • 11:57:13am

re: #184 Charles Johnson

Bug. Now fixed - will take a few minutes for everyone to show up again.

Another little insect introduced in the redesign.

Thanks!

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Jenner7 Aug 12, 2015 • 11:57:54am

Deputies in riot gear on standby for protest at Waller County Jail #KHOU #SandraBland pic.twitter.com/3xETK1z7bF

— Rucks Russell (@ruckskhou) August 12, 2015

Photos from on the ground at the Waller County Jail. #JusticeForSandy pic.twitter.com/00DNIMaiyc

— Rhys (@rhysism_) August 12, 2015

Good grief.

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Black d20 Aug 12, 2015 • 11:58:46am

One of the things that recent events has brought back up in me is (and I’m loathe to admit it) a kind of envy for whiteness with regards to the on-sight/snap judgment benefits that come with it. Even looking at the images of the Oathkeepers at Ferguson, the ol’ d20 brain went ‘you know, if those dudes were black they’d still be locked up or worse’, and I have a hard time trying to reason otherwise with myself.

No real point to this, just kind of a vent/admission. I know I’m supposed to be at peace with the life I’ve been blessed with, but it’s hard when a moment’s glance can deem you less than a full person in the eyes of so many. If only we could wear our souls for skin, eh?

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BeachDem Aug 12, 2015 • 11:59:11am

re: #155 Eclectic Cyborg

Any updates on the possibility of a potential Biden run?

I get emails almost hourly from the “draft Biden” group. I believe he’s going to make his decision by the end of the month.

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klys (maker of Silmarils) Aug 12, 2015 • 12:02:33pm

re: #190 Black d20

One of the things that recent events has brought back up in me is (and I’m loathe to admit it) a kind of envy for whiteness with regards to the on-sight/snap judgment benefits that come with it. Even looking at the images of the Oathkeepers at Ferguson, the ol’ d20 brain went ‘you know, if those dudes were black they’d still be locked up or worse’, and I have a hard time trying to reason otherwise with myself.

No real point to this, just kind of a vent/admission. I know I’m supposed to be at peace with the life I’ve been blessed with, but it’s hard when a moment’s glance can deem you less than a full person in the eyes of so many. If only we could wear our souls for skin, eh?

That this is something I never even have to think about - to consider at all - is why I don’t feel like it’s my place to offer an opinion unless I feel like I’ve earned the right for it to be heard by being in the trenches and working to change this.

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Decatur Deb Aug 12, 2015 • 12:02:57pm

re: #190 Black d20

One of the things that recent events has brought back up in me is (and I’m loathe to admit it) a kind of envy for whiteness with regards to the on-sight/snap judgment benefits that come with it. Even looking at the images of the Oathkeepers at Ferguson, the ol’ d20 brain went ‘you know, if those dudes were black they’d still be locked up or worse’, and I have a hard time trying to reason otherwise with myself.

No real point to this, just kind of a vent/admission. I know I’m supposed to be at peace with the life I’ve been blessed with, but it’s hard when a moment’s glance can deem you less than a full person in the eyes of so many. If only we could wear our souls for skin, eh?

The effect is unmistakably real. Why in hell should anyone be at peace with it?

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Decatur Deb Aug 12, 2015 • 12:03:39pm

re: #192 klys (maker of Silmarils)

That this is something I never even have to think about - to consider at all - is why I don’t feel like it’s my place to offer an opinion unless I feel like I’ve earned the right for it to be heard by being in the trenches and working to change this.

So get in the trenches.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge Aug 12, 2015 • 12:04:18pm

re: #137 BeachDem

Bill Clinton is almost certainly the most popular person in American politics. A new NBC-Wall Street Journal poll showed that 56 percent of people have a positive view of the former president while just 26 percent hold a negative one.

washingtonpost.com

Well, you remember all those funny, funny jokes from the ’90s about Hillary being the “real President”, Hurr, hurr. A lot of people might vote for Hillary because they think Bill will be the “real President”. They let cavemen vote, so why not take advantage of it?

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Single-handed sailor Aug 12, 2015 • 12:04:52pm

China, Tianjin: “@GissiSim: One of the better photos of the explosion in #Tianjin #China, really shows the scale. pic.twitter.com/evqjyj8j4d”

— FF (@Tijgernest) August 12, 2015

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Black d20 Aug 12, 2015 • 12:05:15pm

re: #193 Decatur Deb

And yet that is the underlying message given by many, well-meaning and otherwise. “Your time will come. You will overcome. Just be patient. Just trust that it will come.” That justice works itself, or that those not personally invested in your justice will see it done for you.

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Dr. Matt Aug 12, 2015 • 12:05:27pm

re: #191 BeachDem

I get emails almost hourly from the “draft Biden” group. I believe he’s going to make his decision by the end of the month.

He has 8% support in NH and hasn’t even announced his candidacy. 8% is higher than 11 of the GOP candidates.

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#FergusonFireside Aug 12, 2015 • 12:05:29pm

re: #180 BeachDem

I prefer to think of it as “Biden laughed until he nearly cried, at the idiocy and shallowness of Paul Ryan and his ludicrous candidacy.”
//

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You know, that reminded me of Paul Ryan. Haven’t heard about that next great hope in a long time. What happened?

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Decatur Deb Aug 12, 2015 • 12:06:16pm

re: #197 Black d20

And yet that is the underlying message given by many, well-meaning and otherwise. “Your time will come. You will overcome. Just be patient. Just trust that it will come.” That justice works itself, or that those not personally invested in your justice will see it done for you.

Not this side of Jordan.

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Backwoods_Sleuth Aug 12, 2015 • 12:08:45pm

re: #191 BeachDem

I get emails almost hourly from the “draft Biden” group. I believe he’s going to make his decision by the end of the month.

I’ll be honest. Joe Biden is the only one I would vote for without any hesitation or reservations.
That’s not to say I wouldn’t vote for Hillary or Sanders if it comes to that, but I do like Biden very, very much.

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Black d20 Aug 12, 2015 • 12:09:30pm

re: #200 Decatur Deb

I know. And yet!

So yes, I do what I can. I get angry. I get indignant. And truth be told, I get frustrated. I won’t lie, I don’t expect to see worthwhile change until I’m well on my way out, and maybe not even then. There is a kind of strength and longevity in hatred, what with how easy it is to keep burning.

And yet I soldier on. Not much choice, really.

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Dr. Matt Aug 12, 2015 • 12:09:55pm

After Banning Trump For Sexism, Erick Erickson’s RedState Calls Clinton A “Homely Woman” Who Slept “Her Way Into Power”

The attack on Clinton comes in a RedState post from one of its front page contributors, who goes by “streiff,” who wrote:

If Hillary Clinton possesses any unique selling propostion beyond proving even a homely woman can sleep her way into power, it is her tenure as Barack Obama’s secretary of state. That seems to be a slender enough reed when polls show the electorate could give a flying rat’s patootie about experience and favor a change agent above all.

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Higgs Boson's Mate Aug 12, 2015 • 12:10:39pm

re: #200 Decatur Deb

Not this side of Jordan.

And not yonder side of the fucking wire either.

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Fourth Football of the Apocalypse Aug 12, 2015 • 12:11:28pm

re: #203 Dr. Matt

After Banning Trump For Sexism, Erick Erickson’s RedState Calls Clinton A “Homely Woman” Who Slept “Her Way Into Power”

Stay classy, RedState

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Varek Raith Aug 12, 2015 • 12:11:29pm

re: #203 Dr. Matt

After Banning Trump For Sexism, Erick Erickson’s RedState Calls Clinton A “Homely Woman” Who Slept “Her Way Into Power”

Did you hear his excuse about why he should get a pass on saying the same shit Trump does?
He’s not running for PotUS.
e_e

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Decatur Deb Aug 12, 2015 • 12:11:40pm

re: #201 Backwoods_Sleuth

I’ll be honest. Joe Biden is the only one I would vote for without any hesitation or reservations.
That’s not to say I wouldn’t vote for Hillary or Sanders if it comes to that, but I do like Biden very, very much.

He’d be a safer bet, but it would really piss my wife off. She’s still smirking because she was right, saying we would have a Black president before a woman.

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HappyWarrior Aug 12, 2015 • 12:13:42pm

re: #203 Dr. Matt

After Banning Trump For Sexism, Erick Erickson’s RedState Calls Clinton A “Homely Woman” Who Slept “Her Way Into Power”

But he’s not running for president and Erick is the oldest 40 year old man I’ve ever seen not named Alex Jones.

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The Vicious Babushka Aug 12, 2015 • 12:13:59pm

re: #203 Dr. Matt

After Banning Trump For Sexism, Erick Erickson’s RedState Calls Clinton A “Homely Woman” Who Slept “Her Way Into Power”

Carly Fiorina is married to a top exec at AT&T, she didn’t exactly work her way up from lowly secretary like the window washer in “How To Succeed In Business Without Really Trying”

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The Vicious Babushka Aug 12, 2015 • 12:15:27pm

Wingnuts are complaining about Hillary’s speaking fee.

I thought they were like all HURR HURR FREE MARKET!!!!11!!

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Black d20 Aug 12, 2015 • 12:15:46pm

In somewhat less depressing news:

Video

Okay, maybe a little less depressing.

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HappyWarrior Aug 12, 2015 • 12:15:59pm

re: #201 Backwoods_Sleuth

I’ll be honest. Joe Biden is the only one I would vote for without any hesitation or reservations.
That’s not to say I wouldn’t vote for Hillary or Sanders if it comes to that, but I do like Biden very, very much.

He’d by my easy first choice if he ran. I think Biden is both more progressive than Hillary, equally if not more savvy a Congress than her and definitely Sanders. I think he’d be a great representative of our nation. I actually thought if Obama hadn’t picked him for VP that SoS would have been a great fit too. Either way, I’ll respect Joe’s decision. I’ll be happy for him to enjoy retirement with his grandchildren and family if he chooses not to run and I’ll want him to succeed Obama if he decides to run. He truly is one of the best parts of the Obama administration.

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Higgs Boson's Mate Aug 12, 2015 • 12:16:04pm

re: #205 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse

Stay classy, RedState

What time is Carly Fiorina’s blistering attack on Erickson for his blatant sexism?

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Eclectic Cyborg Aug 12, 2015 • 12:17:11pm

re: #196 Single-handed sailor

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Looks like a damn wartime photo…

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allegro Aug 12, 2015 • 12:17:17pm

re: #201 Backwoods_Sleuth

I’ll be honest. Joe Biden is the only one I would vote for without any hesitation or reservations.
That’s not to say I wouldn’t vote for Hillary or Sanders if it comes to that, but I do like Biden very, very much.

I like Biden much too. However if you’re looking for a liberal/progressve candidate, he is no different from Obama or Hillary. I recall seeing him frequently referred to as Biden (D-MBNA) during his Senate years.

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HappyWarrior Aug 12, 2015 • 12:17:37pm

re: #206 Varek Raith

Did you hear his excuse about why he should get a pass on saying the same shit Trump does?
He’s not running for PotUS.
e_e

Yet he acted like he was concerned about what his wife and daughters would hear from Trump. Seems to me Poppa Erick probably says just as if not more deregatory things about women. And if Erick wants to play the looks game, he’s not exactly Mr. Good Looks either, Hillary is a much more attractive woman than Erick is man.

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Dr. Matt Aug 12, 2015 • 12:18:21pm

re: #211 Black d20

In somewhat less depressing news:

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Video

Okay, maybe a little less depressing.

I saw him a few months ago at a festival. He puts on a hellva show.

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Jenner7 Aug 12, 2015 • 12:18:24pm

Members of the New Black Panther party carrying firearms during protest at Waller County Jail #KHOU SandraBland pic.twitter.com/GyBVvmO9a7

— Rucks Russell (@ruckskhou) August 12, 2015

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HappyWarrior Aug 12, 2015 • 12:18:55pm

re: #218 Jenner7

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That smell is Wayne LaPierre shitting his pants.

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BeachDem Aug 12, 2015 • 12:18:57pm

re: #198 Dr. Matt

He has 8% support in NH and hasn’t even announced his candidacy. 8% is higher than 11 of the GOP candidates.

An August 3 Fox poll had him just 9 points behind Sanders nationally (and, as you said, he hasn’t even announced.)

2016 Democratic Presidential Nomination FOX News Clinton 51, Sanders 22, Biden 13, Webb 1, O’Malley 1, Chafee 1

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#FergusonFireside Aug 12, 2015 • 12:19:31pm

The gentrification of mac & cheese https://t.co/BbBMWpcbeM

— The Notorious T.I.M (@BionicBombshell) August 12, 2015

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Varek Raith Aug 12, 2015 • 12:19:42pm

re: #220 BeachDem

An August 3 Fox poll had him just 9 points behind Sanders nationally (and, as you said, he hasn’t even announced.)

2016 Democratic Presidential Nomination FOX News Clinton 51, Sanders 22, Biden 13, Webb 1, O’Malley 1, Chafee 1

I really don’t like Webb.
Good to see him so low.

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Csarneson Aug 12, 2015 • 12:19:44pm

Hillary has so many negatives. Bernie calling himself a “socialist” has made him probably un-electable to the uneducated masses. I love Biden but only as a “fun Uncle” type. I certainly don’t picture him ever as the leader of the free world.

Is there any hope still that Liz Warren will decide to run? She’d be my favorite by far. Hillary would probably get my vote otherwise but she feels so much like a very poor-man’s Obama.

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Backwoods_Sleuth Aug 12, 2015 • 12:20:12pm

re: #215 allegro

I like Biden much too. However if you’re looking for a liberal/progressve candidate, he is no different from Obama or Hillary. I recall seeing him frequently referred to as Biden (D-MBNA) during his Senate years.

I’m not looking for a liberal/progressive or any other sort of label.
I liked Joe Biden long before he was VP and I like him even more now.

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Varek Raith Aug 12, 2015 • 12:20:28pm

re: #221 #FergusonFireside

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Who does that to mac and cheese???
Terrible, terrible people that’s who!

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wrenchwench Aug 12, 2015 • 12:20:32pm

As an American, I reserve my right to bring a pistol to a party — just in case somebody else brings a guitar. https://t.co/JgY1U5nZJF

— Sanho Tree (@SanhoTree) August 12, 2015

when a white dude gets out his guitar at a party https://t.co/q45cOIVJGn

— folu (@notfolu) July 29, 2015

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Death Panel Truck Aug 12, 2015 • 12:20:41pm

Well, since Andy Card is the president of Franklin Pierce University, where the Marlin Fitzwater Center for Communication is located, I smell a ratfuck.

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HappyWarrior Aug 12, 2015 • 12:20:49pm

re: #222 Varek Raith

I really don’t like Webb.
Good to see him so low.

I am really starting to feel that even though it created a logjam at the time that his retirement allowing Kaine to enter the Senate was the best thing that could happen for the Va Democratic Party. I like Terry more than I do Jim and I’ve never been a Terry fan. At least Terry respects women and isn’t a douchenozzle about the CSA flag.

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Decatur Deb Aug 12, 2015 • 12:20:59pm

re: #215 allegro

I like Biden much too. However if you’re looking for a liberal/progressve candidate, he is no different from Obama or Hillary. I recall seeing him frequently referred to as Biden (D-MBNA) during his Senate years.

Used to call him Senator, (D-Dupont). He’s still as good an offer as could possibly get through the process. I’d appoint Bernie, if that was my authority, but I don’t want him for nominee.

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BeachDem Aug 12, 2015 • 12:21:00pm

re: #199 #FergusonFireside

You know, that reminded me of Paul Ryan. Haven’t heard about that next great hope in a long time. What happened?

Shhh—the less said about the little dweeb, the better.

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Blind Frog Belly White Aug 12, 2015 • 12:21:28pm

re: #197 Black d20

And yet that is the underlying message given by many, well-meaning and otherwise. “Your time will come. You will overcome. Just be patient. Just trust that it will come.” That justice works itself, or that those not personally invested in your justice will see it done for you.

While OTOH, the other side says, “Go ahead! Get angry! Get REAL angry and burn/blow up shit! Then we can call you a thug!”

It’s a hard balance to hit, and I’m selfishly grateful that I don’t have to.

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HappyWarrior Aug 12, 2015 • 12:22:08pm

re: #224 Backwoods_Sleuth

I’m not looking for a liberal/progressive or any other sort of label.
I liked Joe Biden long before he was VP and I like him even more now.

Joe Biden is a leader. I like that he’s plenty progressive but he also gets shit done. He has the best qualities I think of both Clinton and Sanders and I think he’s also the most likable of the bunch. He really is Uncle Joe. I have an uncle the same age that reminds me of him and interestingly enough that same uncle said that Biden was the first presidential candidate he ever donated to.

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Black d20 Aug 12, 2015 • 12:23:15pm

re: #231 Blind Frog Belly White

This implies one doesn’t need to do more than peacefully protest while brown to be labeled a thug. </onlyfaintbitterness>

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Blind Frog Belly White Aug 12, 2015 • 12:23:17pm

re: #226 wrenchwench

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The dog is so much more subtle than Bluto in Animal House, but yeah….

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Jayleia Aug 12, 2015 • 12:23:49pm

re: #219 HappyWarrior

That smell isn’t shit, but it is coming from his pants.

Blah people. Blah people with guns. ANGRY Blah people with guns.

And the NRA membership is mostly scared white people with guns…white people that are TERRIFIED of Blah people.

LaPierre just jizzed in his pants, ‘cause the members see that, and they’re gonna need more guns just in case the Blah people attack, and the people the NRA actually work for will make bank selling the guns…

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The Vicious Babushka Aug 12, 2015 • 12:24:17pm

re: #225 Varek Raith

Who does that to mac and cheese???
Terrible, terrible people that’s who!

OMG why did I just click on that.

*VOMITS*

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Blind Frog Belly White Aug 12, 2015 • 12:24:27pm

re: #233 Black d20

This implies one doesn’t need to do more than peacefully protest while brown to be labeled a thug. </onlyfaintbitterness>

And to be honest, it doesn’t even require that. Just get shot by a cop, or a wannabe cop.

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Varek Raith Aug 12, 2015 • 12:24:39pm

Blah and wah ppl with ~~penis extensions~~ I mean guns.
/shots fired

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Decatur Deb Aug 12, 2015 • 12:24:43pm

re: #224 Backwoods_Sleuth

I’m not looking for a liberal/progressive or any other sort of label.
I liked Joe Biden long before he was VP and I like him even more now.

He’s been a delight, and paid his way when he kneecapped Ryan in the debate.

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#FergusonFireside Aug 12, 2015 • 12:25:20pm

Court room sketch of Tom Brady. Ouch. pic.twitter.com/KKntf9SCf9

— Rob Tornoe (@RobTornoe) August 12, 2015

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HappyWarrior Aug 12, 2015 • 12:25:32pm

re: #239 Decatur Deb

He’s been a delight, and paid his way when he kneecapped Ryan in the debate.

I for one thought calling ACA passing a big fucking deal was a nice rite of passage. I also remember the fauxrage about that from the same people who loved Cheney telling Pat Leahy to go fuck himself.

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Black d20 Aug 12, 2015 • 12:25:39pm

re: #237 Blind Frog Belly White

Or look a certain way and exist. You could be working on your PhD, but nope — thug. People don’t quite understand the juggling needed to exist in both the ‘black’ and ‘white’ worlds if you choose to do so, and most black folk do.

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HappyWarrior Aug 12, 2015 • 12:25:49pm

re: #240 #FergusonFireside

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Ha.

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Csarneson Aug 12, 2015 • 12:25:54pm

re: #239 Decatur Deb

He’d be the most fun president we’ve had since early Bill Clinton. That’s a big plus I suppose. We could use a little fun in our politics right now.

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Varek Raith Aug 12, 2015 • 12:26:00pm

re: #239 Decatur Deb

He’s been a delight, and paid his way when he kneecapped Ryan in the debate.

kneecapped?

No.
This is what we call getting ‘omfgwtfpwndbbqsauce’.

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lawhawk Aug 12, 2015 • 12:27:13pm

VIDEO: #Tianjin explosion apparently captured by Japanese weather satellite. https://t.co/a7uNugkq22 h/t @RobDotUK

— reported.ly (@reportedly) August 12, 2015

CCTV also confirms the #Tianjin blast occurred at RuiHai Logistics https://t.co/ousabasCxB

— reported.ly (@reportedly) August 12, 2015

reported.ly is all over this, and they’re reporting that at least 300-400 casualties were taken to 1 hospital alone, including several firefighters. Reports of building collapses, fires started by debris from the original explosions, and there’s now concern of chemical leak as well.

I am really fearing for the worst here. It sounds like a worst case scenario for hazmat/explosive materials.

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Kragar Aug 12, 2015 • 12:28:15pm

Now I just want to burn every thing

— Kragar (@Kragar_LGF) August 12, 2015

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Blind Frog Belly White Aug 12, 2015 • 12:29:41pm

re: #242 Black d20

Or look a certain way and exist. You could be working on your PhD, but nope — thug. People don’t quite understand the juggling needed to exist in both the ‘black’ and ‘white’ worlds if you choose to do so, and most black folk do.

No, and if you’re like me and grew up white in a whiter-than-white area - especially white and male - you end up with a level of ignorance of that that’s truly appalling. You don’t see your own privilege, so by contrast you don’t see the effect of its absence on others.

But I’m trying.

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BeachDem Aug 12, 2015 • 12:30:56pm

re: #227 Death Panel Truck

Well, since Andy Card is the president of Franklin Pierce University, where the Marlin Fitzwater Center for Communication is located, I smell a ratfuck.

Add in the rightwing nuttiness of the Boston Herald and I agree with you 100%.

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Blind Frog Belly White Aug 12, 2015 • 12:31:40pm

re: #244 Csarneson

He’d be the most fun president we’ve had since early Bill Clinton. That’s a big plus I suppose. We could use a little fun in our politics right now.

Makes you wonder what a debate between him and Trump would be like.

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Blind Frog Belly White Aug 12, 2015 • 12:33:11pm

re: #246 lawhawk

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reported.ly is all over this, and they’re reporting that at least 300-400 casualties were taken to 1 hospital alone, including several firefighters. Reports of building collapses, fires started by debris from the original explosions, and there’s now concern of chemical leak as well.

I am really fearing for the worst here. It sounds like a worst case scenario for hazmat/explosive materials.

Imagine the West, TX fertilizer plant explosion in a populated area.

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Black d20 Aug 12, 2015 • 12:36:02pm

re: #248 Blind Frog Belly White

Really, that’s all anyone like me could ask: try. Turn on the empathy. I wouldn’t ask someone to throw themselves into The Big Fight, but just sit with me for a while and see things how I see them. I’ll try to do the same, and we’ll both learn together.

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blueraven Aug 12, 2015 • 12:36:21pm

re: #163 Blind Frog Belly White

I refer you to Oliver Willis’ excellent post on BLM. He said it better than I ever could.

ETA: he’s up front about the possibility of devolving into another OWS.

He also wrote this:

Right Now BlackLivesMatter Is Wasting Everybody’s Time

Representatives of the Black Lives Matters movement met with Hillary Clinton, and if you actually thought this movement was about stopping black people from being killed and reforming criminal justice issues with minorities, you should not only be disappointed but disgusted.

The group - affiliated with Black Lives Matter organizations in the Boston area — told reporters afterwards that they asked Clinton about “her and her family’s history with the war on drugs both at home and abroad, and how she felt about her involvement in that violence that has been perpetuated, especially against communities of color and against black folks,” said Daunasia Yancey. “We wanted to know her reflections on her involvement as first lady, as senator, and as secretary of state.”

[…]

“What we got was a Hillary Clinton who was willing to delve into the issues given her platform constraints, but she was not willing to take responsibility for or give much voice to the anti-blackness current. She validated some of the points that we offered, but she didn’t offer many of her own,” said Julius Jones of Worcester, Mass. “She was intentional about meeting us. She got something out of the meeting, that much is certain. What I feel like I got out of the meeting was to press her in a very real way and probably in a way that she hasn’t been pressed in a long time.”

What an amazing waste of time and opportunity. You meet with the Democratic front runner for president, right now the person in the field in either party with the highest likelihood of being president, and the best you can do is ask her about her feelings?

No offense to Secretary Clinton, but I don’t care about her feelings on this issue as much as I am interested in her and other leaders - of either party - getting behind concrete reforms to stop — STOP — the policies and tactics that have led to such problems for our fellow Americans.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge Aug 12, 2015 • 12:37:43pm

re: #245 Varek Raith

kneecapped?

No.
This is what we call getting ‘omfgwtfpwndbbqsauce’.

Yeah, but let’s remember that Lloyd Bentsen totally eviscerated Dan Quayle in the Vice-Presidential debate, too. Nobody seems to care about that.

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BeachDem Aug 12, 2015 • 12:37:47pm

re: #247 Kragar

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That truly makes me want to spit nails.

Even when opposed by the liberal media, Representative Harris has always held firm and stood tall in his faith.

A total ratfucker, but it’s the LIBERAL MEDIA’S fault.

I hadn’t thought about that creep in a few weeks. Ugh.

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Bubblehead II Aug 12, 2015 • 12:38:07pm

re: #184 Charles Johnson

Bug. Now fixed - will take a few minutes for everyone to show up again.

Another little insect introduced in the redesign.

Thanks Charles.

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BeachDem Aug 12, 2015 • 12:39:04pm

re: #250 Blind Frog Belly White

Makes you wonder what a debate between him and Trump would be like.

Like this:

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KGxvi Aug 12, 2015 • 12:39:26pm

re: #64 HappyWarrior

but if he has an eye for higher office, is he going to want to be VP? Let’s say Clinton/Castro wins, that’s 12 years of Democratic presidents, since term limits no party has won more than 3 elections in a row. And even if they buck the historical trends and make it 4 in a row, that’s 16 years of Democratic presidents - what are the odds that the electorate will want to make it 20?

I guess, on the flip side, he’s a Texas Democrat, so maybe his odds of winning statewide in Texas aren’t great in the next couple of election cycles. But I do wonder if Clinton might have a hard time finding a “fresh young face” to be VP because all the candidates that fall into that category are looking for alternate routes to the eventual presidential campaign/

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Blind Frog Belly White Aug 12, 2015 • 12:41:28pm

re: #253 blueraven

He also wrote this:

Right Now BlackLivesMatter Is Wasting Everybody’s Time

Yeah, I saw that when I was looking for the other post to link to it. He sees the same thing happening to BLM that I saw with OWS - get started at the perfect time to make change happen, then piss it away on meaningless horseshit.

I said it the other day, “End White Supremacy” is a laudable goal, but you have to provide the steps if you want to be taken seriously and have an effect.

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Blind Frog Belly White Aug 12, 2015 • 12:42:12pm

re: #257 BeachDem

Like this:

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I suspect there’d be a WHOLE LOT of the one in the upper left.

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Decatur Deb Aug 12, 2015 • 12:42:53pm

re: #253 blueraven

No offense to Secretary Clinton, but I don’t care about her feelings on this issue as much as I am interested in her and other leaders - of either party - getting behind concrete reforms to stop — STOP — the policies and tactics that have led to such problems for our fellow Americans.

Except first she has to get elected.

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KerFuFFler Aug 12, 2015 • 12:43:31pm

One of Bernie Sander’s problems is that the word “socialism” has been vilified in our society.

Check out this page to see if you may be a socialist and don’t realize it!

Apologies for the self promotion…

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wrenchwench Aug 12, 2015 • 12:48:45pm

.@tashsparkles pic.twitter.com/X4QOdYb4wu

— Goldie Taylor (@goldietaylor) August 12, 2015

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Tigger2 Aug 12, 2015 • 12:50:30pm

re: #29 Dr. Matt

These pics from Bernie Sanders’ Los Angeles rally should scare the hell out of Hillary

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When Hillary starts campaigning for real she will have pics like that.

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Csarneson Aug 12, 2015 • 12:56:16pm

re: #262 KerFuFFler

I haven’t read your post yet but plan to.

To the rednecks of our country Socialism = Communist = Stalin = Satan

What they don’t realize is that Social Security, Medicare, Interstates, and the Internet are all socialist. Each of those is pretty popular.

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CuriousLurker Aug 12, 2015 • 1:27:05pm

re: #225 Varek Raith

Who does that to mac and cheese???
Terrible, terrible people that’s who!

The same people who put pineapple on pizza. //

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge Aug 12, 2015 • 1:42:47pm

re: #266 CuriousLurker

The same people who put pineapple on pizza. //

Love it or hate it, I’m having a hard time seeing the difference.

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BillinGlendaleCA Aug 12, 2015 • 2:14:54pm

re: #249 BeachDem

Also Franklin Pierce, any relation to Barbara Pierce Bush? Why, yes there is.

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