Donald Trump Has Released an Immigration Policy Plan and It’s Completely Insane

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Donald Trump has actually released an immigration policy plan, which is more than any of the other candidates have done.

However.

It’s absolutely insane. Xenophobia completely off the scale. We’re talking batshit, cubed.

Let me summarize this bizarre fear-mongering screed.

Trump insists he’s going to build a gigantic impenetrable wall along the southern border, and he’s going to make Mexico pay for it. How does he plan to do that?

Mexico must pay for the wall and, until they do, the United States will, among other things: impound all remittance payments derived from illegal wages; increase fees on all temporary visas issued to Mexican CEOs and diplomats (and if necessary cancel them); increase fees on all border crossing cards - of which we issue about 1 million to Mexican nationals each year (a major source of visa overstays); increase fees on all NAFTA worker visas from Mexico (another major source of overstays); and increase fees at ports of entry to the United States from Mexico [Tariffs and foreign aid cuts are also options]. We will not be taken advantage of anymore.

Trump plans to deport millions of undocumented immigrants, and he plans to implement this insane scheme by tripling the number of ICE agents, presumably because he’s going to need a lot of enforcers to round up all the families he needs to deport.

And last but pretty damned far from least, Trump says he’s basically going to either repeal or ignore the 14th amendment to the US Constitution, because he’s planning to end birthright citizenship. His plan doesn’t spell out exactly how he’d accomplish this, probably because he knows it’s never going to happen in the real world.

In fact, none of this is ever going to happen in the real world, and if Trump becomes president and actually tries to make it happen, it would involve turning the United States into a full-blown police state.

But I guess that prospect is attractive to conservatives.

And one final note about Trump’s plan: to back up his claims, he links to not one, not two, but six articles at the far right xenophobia-peddling website Breitbart “News.”

This has to be one of the most disturbing policy statements ever published by a Republican, and that, my friends, is really saying something.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 16, 2015 • 12:41:13pm

As I said downstairs, a lot of those 11 million aren’t brown people…

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Targetpractice  Aug 16, 2015 • 12:45:06pm

What’s scary is not the plan itself, it’s the number of Americans who will look at it and say “This makes total sense!” That’s what scares the ever-loving shit out of me.

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Aug 16, 2015 • 12:45:16pm

He knows what his target audience wants to hear, and they are lapping it up. And if he drops out, they are going to demand that other candidates adopt a similar position.

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Skip Intro  Aug 16, 2015 • 12:45:26pm

Reposted from a couple of threads ago.

Igor Darkman explains the Trump appeal to the masses:

His supporters agreed with everything he didn’t say. His ability to speak his mind without saying anything captures the populace. His carefully chosen unspoken words resonate with many.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 16, 2015 • 12:47:19pm

re: #2 Targetpractice

What’s scary is not the plan itself, it’s the number of Americans who will look at it and say “This makes total sense!” That’s what scares the ever-loving shit out of me.

Same. That scares me a lot.

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Targetpractice  Aug 16, 2015 • 12:47:44pm

re: #3 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

He knows what his target audience wants to hear, and they are lapping it up. And if he drops out, they are going to demand that other candidates adopt a similar position.

Exactly, Trump is so badly poisoning the well that there’s virtually no way that whoever wins the nomination will stand a chance in the general election.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 16, 2015 • 12:48:14pm

re: #3 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

He knows what his target audience wants to hear, and they are lapping it up. And if he drops out, they are going to demand that other candidates adopt a similar position.

That’s why I think Jeb is doomed. I don’t think Jeb has the heart to go absolutely dickish on immigration like Romney did. I don’t like Jeb at all but I can’t see him going full wingnut on immigration.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 16, 2015 • 12:48:33pm

re: #6 Targetpractice

Exactly, Trump is so badly poisoning the well that there’s virtually no way that whoever wins the nomination will stand a chance in the general election.

Hope you’re right.

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Aug 16, 2015 • 12:49:30pm

Let’s go through some of these points:

Mexico must pay for the wall and, until they do, the United States will, among other things: impound all remittance payments derived from illegal wages;

By creating a government bureaucracy that will analyse all money transfer payments to Mexico and verify their legality?

increase fees on all temporary visas issued to Mexican CEOs and diplomats (and if necessary cancel them);

Because none of these businessmen or diplomats is doing any sort of work that benefits or profits the US, right?

increase fees on all border crossing cards - of which we issue about 1 million to Mexican nationals each year (a major source of visa overstays); increase fees on all NAFTA worker visas from Mexico (another major source of overstays); and increase fees at ports of entry to the United States from Mexico [Tariffs and foreign aid cuts are also options].

Because again, none of these workers is doing anything to increase earnings and profits of American countries, they are just coming here to mooch.

We will not be taken advantage of anymore.

Because again, we derive NO BENEFIT WHATSOEVER from allowing Mexicans into the USA, which is why we need them to build a wall in the first place…

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Iwouldprefernotto  Aug 16, 2015 • 12:49:35pm

re: #7 HappyWarrior
re: #7 HappyWarrior

That’s why I think Jeb is doomed. I don’t think Jeb has the heart to go absolutely dickish on immigration like Romney did. I don’t like Jeb at all but I can’t see him going full wingnut on immigration.

Jeb will win because he will be the last man standing. He was the money to do it.

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Lidane  Aug 16, 2015 • 12:52:08pm

Watch him gain another 10-15% in the polls now.

Trump is the GOP’s id on steroids. He says exactly what the rubes want to hear and they lap it up like starving dogs.

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Snarknado!  Aug 16, 2015 • 12:52:15pm

In Georgia, crops are rotting in the fields (as noted downstairs) because of policies that chased out undocumented workers — now he’s looking for a nationwide famine?

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Aug 16, 2015 • 12:53:21pm

re: #12 Snarknado!

In Georgia, crops are rotting in the fields (as noted downstairs) because of policies that chased out undocumented workers — now he’s looking for a nationwide famine?

Creating jobs for American workers—-

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Lidane  Aug 16, 2015 • 12:53:29pm

re: #12 Snarknado!

In Georgia, crops are rotting in the fields (as noted downstairs) because of policies that chased out undocumented workers — now he’s looking for a nationwide famine?

The morons in the GOP base are convinced that if the undocumented workers are chased out, poor Americans will pick up the slack.

They’re in for a very rude awakening.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 16, 2015 • 12:53:57pm

re: #10 Iwouldprefernotto

Jeb will win because he will be the last man standing. He was the money to do it.

True point.

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teleskiguy  Aug 16, 2015 • 12:54:24pm

I can’t wait to read Sump Pump Trump’s foreign policy plan.

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Aug 16, 2015 • 12:55:42pm

re: #16 teleskiguy

I can’t wait to read Sump Pump Trump’s foreign policy plan.

Make the Syrians pay to build a wall around Iran?

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teleskiguy  Aug 16, 2015 • 12:56:41pm

lolwut?

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Skip Intro  Aug 16, 2015 • 12:56:45pm

re: #9 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

Mexico must pay for the wall and, until they do, the United States will, among other things: impound all remittance payments derived from illegal wages;

Just curious how he’s going to identify them.

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Belafon  Aug 16, 2015 • 12:56:49pm

re: #13 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

Creating jobs for American workers—-

Watch what happens when americans have to pay the price on fruits necessary to pay American workers. While I think we should, the howls will shatter the moon.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Aug 16, 2015 • 12:58:24pm

What with the drought, and the heat this weekend, and not watering hardly at all, the yard is getting frighteningly crispy. And surprisingly, you can’t just stop watering your lawn and ignore it. If you do, then the hardier weeds will grow, and seed, and your yard will look not just brown and dead, but seriously neglected, like an abandoned home.

So, I spent a bit of time out in the heat, cutting weeds down, mowing the dead lawn, etc. It seemed like a safer way to get exercise than riding in this heat, at my age and degree of fatness…

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teleskiguy  Aug 16, 2015 • 12:58:35pm

Jesus fucking Christ. I’m at a loss on this one, folks.

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Skip Intro  Aug 16, 2015 • 12:59:33pm

re: #16 teleskiguy

I can’t wait to read Sump Pump Trump’s foreign policy plan.

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I’m betting it will include the requirement that countries who don’t want to be attacked by us buy large numbers of expensive apartments from Trump.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 16, 2015 • 12:59:51pm

re: #22 teleskiguy

Jesus fucking Christ. I’m at a loss on this one, folks.

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Yes, Ann, it’s better than the Constitution, Declaration of Independence, and Emancipation Proclamation.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 16, 2015 • 1:00:15pm

The “moderates” deserve this party.

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Skip Intro  Aug 16, 2015 • 1:01:02pm

re: #22 teleskiguy

Jesus fucking Christ. I’m at a loss on this one, folks.

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This is the one that made Trump not being rabidly anti-abortion a-ok with Ann.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 16, 2015 • 1:01:21pm

Remember when George W. Bush spoke Spanish and tried to give a welcoming vibe to Latino voters. Oh my how times change.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Aug 16, 2015 • 1:01:33pm

re: #22 teleskiguy

Jesus fucking Christ. I’m at a loss on this one, folks.

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An absolutely unworkable plan, which likely violates the Constitution and multiple treaties with other governments, all based on racism. No wonder Coulter loves it.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Aug 16, 2015 • 1:01:46pm

He’s going to be the GOP nominee and if any Americans with a hint of common sense just assume he will lose the general next year, he will be President.

Mark. My. Words.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 16, 2015 • 1:01:56pm

re: #26 Skip Intro

This is the one that made Trump not being rabid anti-abortion a-ok with Ann.

Well given that Ann is a xenophobic witch and that’s always been her big thing, it doesn’t surprise me. She’s been on board with Trump for a while.

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aagcobb  Aug 16, 2015 • 1:01:58pm

Completely insane? Just the ticket to drive up Trump’s numbers with the Base. Soon every GOP candidate will be committed to building the most impenetrable wall evah!

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Lidane  Aug 16, 2015 • 1:02:10pm

Freepers are reacting like you’d expect:

In before the hand wringing “It can’t be done” crowd.

I think I just heard the New World Collective crap their shorts.

The anchor babies. Oh my. This just got real.

He could win on this alone.

This is a revolutionary document that will be earth shattering for the Dems, La Raza, and the GOPe. It comes striaght out of Jeff Sessions office. If Trump stands strong on this, he will be the next President.

He has repeatedly said they need to be deported.

But even if he didn’t, what’s laid out in this plan is huge because it addresses every weak point in our current illegal immigration policy—-which is no policy at all.

And if any other Repub candidate does not begin to echo this loudly and often, then they have disqualified themselves.

Raising wages for H1B makes the process much less attractive, no cheap labor.

The companies involved will need to look long and hard at requirements to make sure the cost is worth the effort and affect.

The GOP and Chamber must be having conniption fits.
I’m sure Obama will file an executive order preventing any Future President
from securing the border. McConnell and Boehner will continue hiding
in the closet.

Yeah, you caught that too? I was at the post office the other day and my wife two day later… the place was almost packed with wet backs getting passports for their 14th Amendment deposits on our shores.

Cook off a little bundle, dump it in the U.S., call it a 14th Amendment anchor baby and you’re set for life because we can’t have the parents of U.S. “Citizens” going hungry and not able to support theme can we? WHY THE HELL NOT?!!!

Trump was clever… we will deport them and we will keep the families together… how I wish he could and would make it so.

We now have at least 42,000,000 illegal and legal aliens in this country right now. Can you imagine what it would be like without them? A hell of a lot better that is how it would be. People would mow their own yards again and kids would have summer jobs again.

Our jails would be a lot less crowded
We would have about $600,000,000,000.00 fewer dollars spent because of them. That is enough to PAY for our military outright. With that one act the budget would almost be BALANCED!!!

Social Security would be helped.
Medicade would be helped
Hospital emergency rooms would empty out
Schools would speak English
You would not have to press ONE for anything!
The list of things that would be better is almost endless.

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Skip Intro  Aug 16, 2015 • 1:02:20pm

re: #24 HappyWarrior

Yes, Ann, it’s better than the Constitution, Declaration of Independence, and Emancipation Proclamation.

Just wait until Limbaugh/Fox start gushing all over it tomorrow. Maybe we can just burn the Constitution and have Trump write us a new one.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 16, 2015 • 1:02:26pm

re: #29 GlutenFreeJesus

He’s going to be the GOP nominee and if any Americans with a hint of common sense just assume he will lose the general next year, he will be Preaident.

Mark. My. Words.

You sound like my grandfather talking to my dad about Reagan circa ‘76. I agree 100%.

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Belafon  Aug 16, 2015 • 1:02:28pm

re: #22 teleskiguy

Jesus fucking Christ. I’m at a loss on this one, folks.

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I’m pretty sure she meant to says since the books the Nazis kept keeping with the concentration camp theme.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 16, 2015 • 1:03:10pm

re: #32 Lidane

Freepers are reacting like you’d expect:

Freepers are clueless per usual.

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Lidane  Aug 16, 2015 • 1:03:24pm

re: #25 HappyWarrior

The “moderates” deserve this party.

Seriously.

Trump IS the GOP base. This is the modern Republican party. Voting for them means voting for this kind of garbage.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 16, 2015 • 1:03:48pm

re: #35 Belafon

I’m pretty sure she meant to says since the books the Nazis kept keeping with the concentration camp theme.

Ann I am convinced more than ever is either a big parody or she really has some serious authoritarian wet dreams.

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Skip Intro  Aug 16, 2015 • 1:04:03pm

re: #27 HappyWarrior

Remember when George W. Bush spoke Spanish and tried to give a welcoming vibe to Latino voters. Oh my how times change.

I remember it. The same hard-core GOPers hated him for it.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 16, 2015 • 1:04:09pm

re: #37 Lidane

Seriously.

Trump IS the GOP base. This is the modern Republican party. Voting for them means voting for this kind of garbage.

Exactly.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 16, 2015 • 1:05:00pm

re: #39 Skip Intro

I remember it. The same hard-core GOPers hated him for it.

Yep, they hated him since W to his credit actually wasn’t a racist dick.

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teleskiguy  Aug 16, 2015 • 1:05:33pm
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aagcobb  Aug 16, 2015 • 1:05:37pm

re: #38 HappyWarrior

Ann I am convinced more than ever is either a big parody or she really has some serious authoritarian wet dreams.

She is riding Trump’s coattails to try to get some attention for herself.

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WhatEVs  Aug 16, 2015 • 1:06:03pm

re: #12 Snarknado!

In Georgia, crops are rotting in the fields (as noted downstairs) because of policies that chased out undocumented workers — now he’s looking for a nationwide famine?

Is this happening AGAIN this year? I know it happened last year.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 16, 2015 • 1:06:05pm

re: #30 HappyWarrior

Well given that Ann is a xenophobic witch and that’s always been her big thing, it doesn’t surprise me. She’s been on board with Trump for a while.

She just adored Christie last time.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Aug 16, 2015 • 1:07:05pm

The idea that suddenly removing 11 million people, along with their labor and their unrecoverable FICA taxes, will suddenly improve things is magical thinking of immense proportions.

Also, where is the money coming from to treble the number of ICE agents, as well as to radically expand defense spending?

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HappyWarrior  Aug 16, 2015 • 1:07:07pm

re: #45 Backwoods_Sleuth

She just adored Christie last time.

What broke her heart? When Christie actually showed a human side following Sandy because we know Ann hates anything that shows humanity.

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Lidane  Aug 16, 2015 • 1:07:39pm

re: #27 HappyWarrior

Remember when George W. Bush spoke Spanish and tried to give a welcoming vibe to Latino voters. Oh my how times change.

Jeb! is supposedly going to do an event in the Rio Grande Valley here in Texas soon.

If he does even part of that event in Spanish, it will be YOOOOOGE for him with Latinos, especially if he distances himself from Trump’s insanity. The resulting derp on the right would be epic.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 16, 2015 • 1:07:43pm

re: #46 Blind Frog Belly White

The idea that suddenly removing 11 million people, along with their labor and their unrecoverable FICA taxes, will suddenly improve things is magical thinking of immense proportions.

Also, where is the money coming from to treble the number of ICE agents, as well as to radically expand defense spending?

Yeah all the more reason why Republicans and conservatives aren’t as savvy with economics as they like to profess.

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makeitstop  Aug 16, 2015 • 1:07:45pm

And Breitbart gets their quid pro quo for that fawning coverage Trump paid for.

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aagcobb  Aug 16, 2015 • 1:07:56pm

re: #29 GlutenFreeJesus

He’s going to be the GOP nominee and if any Americans with a hint of common sense just assume he will lose the general next year, he will be Preaident.

Mark. My. Words.

While I won’t categorically rule out him winning the nomination, he won’t be President. The Democratic nominee will get close to 100% of the Hispanic and African-American vote, and 60% of the female vote, and win in a landslide.

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goddamnedfrank  Aug 16, 2015 • 1:08:04pm

$1.5 Billion in goods alone trade every day across the US / Mexico border. Trump wants to disrupt that in order to enact this ridiculous affront and barrier to further trade. Also, he can’t enact new tariffs, clearly he hasn’t even read NAFTA.

Chapter 3, Part 2, Section B:

Article 302: Tariff Elimination

1. Except as otherwise provided in this Agreement, no Party may increase any existing customs duty, or adopt any customs duty, on an originating good.

Tariff elimination and import duty mitigation is basically what NAFTA was all about, it’s what the Free in Free Trade specifically refers to. The rest of the document is basically built around that idea.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 16, 2015 • 1:08:23pm

re: #48 Lidane

Jeb! is supposedly going to do an event in the Rio Grande Valley here in Texas soon.

If he does even part of that event in Spanish, it will be YOOOOOGE for him with Latinos, especially if he distances himself from Trump’s insanity. The resulting derp on the right would be epic.

I would suspect so heh.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 16, 2015 • 1:08:24pm

re: #32 Lidane

Freepers are reacting like you’d expect:

La Raza!!!

Drink!!!

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aagcobb  Aug 16, 2015 • 1:08:40pm

re: #46 Blind Frog Belly White

The idea that suddenly removing 11 million people, along with their labor and their unrecoverable FICA taxes, will suddenly improve things is magical thinking of immense proportions.

Also, where is the money coming from to treble the number of ICE agents, as well as to radically expand defense spending?

Unicorns farting gold coins.

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Aug 16, 2015 • 1:09:18pm

re: #46 Blind Frog Belly White

The idea that suddenly removing 11 million people, along with their labor and their unrecoverable FICA taxes, will suddenly improve things is magical thinking of immense proportions.

Also, where is the money coming from to treble the number of ICE agents, as well as to radically expand defense spending?

again, we are not being taken advantage of, we derive as much or more benefit from Mexicans entering the country as it “costs” us in social services.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 16, 2015 • 1:10:13pm

re: #51 aagcobb

While I won’t categorically rule out him winning the nomination, he won’t be President. The Democratic nominee will get close to 100% of the Hispanic and African-American vote, and 60% of the female vote, and win in a landslide.

Let’s hope the turnout is good.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Aug 16, 2015 • 1:10:44pm

re: #49 HappyWarrior

Yeah all the more reason why Republicans and conservatives aren’t as savvy with economics as they like to profess.

Right, but because they don’t believe in empirical observation to test their economic theory, the fact that they keep being wrong doesn’t really have any effect.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 16, 2015 • 1:11:08pm

re: #58 Blind Frog Belly White

Right, but because they don’t believe in empirical observation to test their economic theory, the fact that they keep being wrong doesn’t really have any effect.

Precisely. Dummies.

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H.K. Anders  Aug 16, 2015 • 1:11:52pm

By Wednesday, he’ll be leading the polls with at least 40 percent approval.

Say what you will about Trump, he knows his audience. And this is what the GOP base wants.

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A Mom Anon  Aug 16, 2015 • 1:13:25pm

re: #44 WhatEVs

I’m honestly not sure if this is still going on (I live in GA), I haven’t checked this year. The law was passed in 2011, and I am not sure if there have been changes or not. The state prides itself on it’s Georgia Grown initiative, and that’s still widely advertised on TV and in stores. Prices for things like melon, watermelon and cucumbers are higher than I’ve ever seen them, but I’m not sure if it’s this or crop failure. I can tell you, that without serious attention farmers are losing a lot of crops just from the ridiculous weather this year. I’ve lost all my vegetable garden to diseases and even sunburn. It’s been brutal, many days where the heat and ozone levels have triggered public health warnings.

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Charles Johnson  Aug 16, 2015 • 1:13:27pm

re: #42 teleskiguy

Wow, the Federalist agrees with me. Donald Trump is a uniter!

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Lidane  Aug 16, 2015 • 1:14:24pm

I think my favorite part of this plan is its utter obliviousness.

95% of all the land in Texas is privately owned. To build that giant, impenetrable wall, Trump would have to seize all of the land along the Rio Grande via that conservative bugaboo of eminent domain. Then he’d have to force the government onto the land they DON’T seize so that they can move equipment, workers and supplies to build the wall.

Good luck with that.

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aagcobb  Aug 16, 2015 • 1:14:28pm

re: #60 H.K. Anders

By Wednesday, he’ll be leading the polls with at least 40 percent approval.

Say what you will about Trump, he knows his audience. And this is what the GOP base wants.

Fox News has a new poll. Trump is more than doubling Carson, 25%-12%. Bush is a miserable fourth at 9%
realclearpolitics.com

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Charles Johnson  Aug 16, 2015 • 1:15:10pm
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aagcobb  Aug 16, 2015 • 1:16:06pm

re: #63 Lidane

I think my favorite part of this plan is its utter obliviousness.

95% of all the land in Texas is privately owned. He’d have to seize all of the land along the Rio Grande via that conservative bugaboo of eminent domain. Then he’d have to force the government onto the land they DON’T seize so that they can move equipment, workers and supplies to build the wall.

Good luck with that.

Trump will force the Mexicans to build the wall on their side of the border!

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GlutenFreeJesus  Aug 16, 2015 • 1:16:13pm

Primary debate: Mr. Trump. How will you go about identifying illegal immigrants?

But that won’t be asked.

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Skip Intro  Aug 16, 2015 • 1:16:30pm

re: #63 Lidane

I think my favorite part of this plan is its utter obliviousness.

95% of all the land in Texas is privately owned. He’d have to seize all of the land along the Rio Grande via that conservative bugaboo of eminent domain. Then he’d have to force the government onto the land they DON’T seize so that they can move equipment, workers and supplies to build the wall.

Good luck with that.

Trump will just start a new Apprentice show on Fox and give the winner the job of handling all of that small stuff. Trump is an ideas man; doing the actual work is for the little people.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Aug 16, 2015 • 1:16:46pm

re: #56 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

again, we are not being taken advantage of, we derive as much or more benefit from Mexicans entering the country as it “costs” us in social services.

The problem is, of course, that wingnuts ‘just know’ that all illegals are paid in cash under the table, so they don’t contribute to Social Security, despite the fact that they all have fake Social Security cards and don’t all work as day laborers. They also ‘just know’ that illegals get most of the SNAP benefits, and welfare, and SSI, even though they’re not eligible for any of those.

No amount of data will dissuade them, because they know somebody who saw a family with dark skin and black hair in front of them at Safeway, buying crab legs and lobster, speaking what they assume was Spanish, and paying for it with what they ‘just know’ was an EBT cart.

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ObserverArt  Aug 16, 2015 • 1:17:20pm

re: #31 aagcobb

Completely insane? Just the ticket to drive up Trump’s numbers with the Base. Soon every GOP candidate will be committed to building the most impenetrable wall evah!

John Kasich has already been heard to utter “we need to finish that wall.”

So…

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Skip Intro  Aug 16, 2015 • 1:17:27pm

re: #64 aagcobb

Fox News has a new poll. Trump is more than doubling Carson, 25%-12%. Bush is a miserable fourth at 9%
realclearpolitics.com

I’m surprised he’s still at 25%. Be the end of this week I expect him to be closer to 40%.

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The Mountain That Blogs  Aug 16, 2015 • 1:17:39pm

re: #63 Lidane

Not to mention over 100 miles in Big Bend National Park

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Belafon  Aug 16, 2015 • 1:19:04pm

re: #42 teleskiguy

I read the article. This kills me:

f that’s your jam, then jam on, but if you want to actually have a smaller state with less bureaucracy and government intrusion, then Trump is not the droid you seek. His plans to make America great again increasingly look like Obama on stilts with a big bag of cocaine and no limiting principles.

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Lidane  Aug 16, 2015 • 1:19:11pm

re: #72 The Mountain That Blogs

Not to mention over 100 miles in Big Bend National Park

Pfft. Everyone knows that national parks are non-essential.

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aagcobb  Aug 16, 2015 • 1:19:22pm

re: #70 ObserverArt

John Kasich has already been heard to utter :we need to finish that wall.”

So…

With mines, and a moat! And sharks with frickin lasers on their heads!

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Belafon  Aug 16, 2015 • 1:21:10pm

re: #51 aagcobb

While I won’t categorically rule out him winning the nomination, he won’t be President. The Democratic nominee will get close to 100% of the Hispanic and African-American vote, and 60% of the female vote, and win in a landslide.

If I could see into the future, and knew this would be the thing that would get Latinos in Texas to register and vote, I’d donate to his campaign.

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aagcobb  Aug 16, 2015 • 1:21:35pm

re: #71 Skip Intro

I’m surprised he’s still at 25%. Be the end of this week I expect him to be closer to 40%.

And Mr. dead eyes, Scott Walker, is down to 6%. The most insane candidates, Trump, Carson and Cruz, are the top three.

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Varek Raith  Aug 16, 2015 • 1:22:36pm

Ladies and zombies,
The Republican base.

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Lidane  Aug 16, 2015 • 1:22:55pm
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goddamnedfrank  Aug 16, 2015 • 1:23:20pm

re: #71 Skip Intro

I’m surprised he’s still at 25%. Be the end of this week I expect him to be closer to 40%.

Only 50% of Republicans have a favorable opinion of him at all. It might be unreasonable to expect him to maximize their support this early.

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Belafon  Aug 16, 2015 • 1:24:14pm

re: #79 Lidane

And while I favorited that tweet, that guy will still vote for the Republican, even if it’s Trump.

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teleskiguy  Aug 16, 2015 • 1:25:38pm

Sump Pump Trump still not winning over the Establishment-types.

Trump’s “plan” is an assault on not merely the illegal immigrants who have violated American laws, but those who have played by the existing rules to come to the United States. The proposal amounts to a declaration of war on America’s immigrant community, an attack on the foundational nature of America’s character as a melting pot for all the peoples of the world, and the inception of a police state that is incompatible with a free republican democracy.

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aagcobb  Aug 16, 2015 • 1:26:26pm

re: #81 Belafon

And while I favorited that tweet, that guy will still vote for the Republican, even if it’s Trump.

You know, if Trump is the nominee (and I still don’t believe he will be), we might be surprised at which Republicans endorse the Democratic nominee.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 16, 2015 • 1:26:46pm

re: #82 teleskiguy

Sump Pump Trump still not winning over the Establishment-types.

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The GOP has responsible candidates? That’s a good one. I like jokes too. Did you hear the one about the priest and the rabbi?

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ObserverArt  Aug 16, 2015 • 1:27:34pm

Kasich quoted from CBS Face The Nation (Site)

John Kasich: “I expect to win this one”

He thinks the solution to the immigration problem is to finish building a wall with Mexico and make it clear that any future border crossers will be sent back. He said he would also legalize the people who are in the U.S. illegally but don’t have any criminal records, and he would have a guest worker program.

“I think the country can unite around that,” he said.

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Targetpractice  Aug 16, 2015 • 1:28:35pm

re: #85 ObserverArt

Kasich quoted from CBS Face The Nation (Site)

John Kasich: “I expect to win this one”

Sorry John, there is no “participation award.”

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Skip Intro  Aug 16, 2015 • 1:29:46pm
“I think the country can unite around that,” he said.

As long as we omit all the people in your party.

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Belafon  Aug 16, 2015 • 1:30:04pm

re: #85 ObserverArt

Kasich quoted from CBS Face The Nation (Site)

John Kasich: “I expect to win this one”

“I think the country can unite around that,” he said.

His idea has been the proposal since at least the 90’s and it’s gotten almost no support from Republican politicians.

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aagcobb  Aug 16, 2015 • 1:31:07pm

re: #88 Belafon

His idea has been the proposal since at least the 90’s and it’s gotten almost no support from Republican politicians.

Kasich had good things to say about Medicaid expansion, and supports amnesty. He will not be the GOP nominee.

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Charles Johnson  Aug 16, 2015 • 1:32:07pm

Never thought I’d see it, but Rand Paul has been out-crazied.

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Belafon  Aug 16, 2015 • 1:33:25pm

From a diary at Daily Kos (the diary is about why the writer thinks Clinton is the best candidate, so don’t go there unless you really want to):

a “trump” being apparently what scientists call the host organism to an alien hair form.

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Aug 16, 2015 • 1:34:09pm

re: #90 Charles Johnson

Never thought I’d see it, but Rand Paul has been out-crazied.

Rand Paul is crazy like a fox, has held public office and has a some understanding of how to work in and with government. Trump is megalomaniac businessman crazy.

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Nyet  Aug 16, 2015 • 1:34:18pm

Let’s not forget that fundamentally and originally most conservative policies boil down to keeping people of color in check. Gun control when black people wave their guns, 2nd amd. when white people do. Concerns about tyrannical govt, when govt pays welfare checks, calls for a police state when they think they can decrease the number of brown people. And so on.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 16, 2015 • 1:35:00pm

It’s always fun when they eat their own.

donotlink.com

Ted Cruz must show naturalization papers to keep his US Senate seat

Details have been emerging which highly suggest that both Ted Cruz’s parents had become Canadian citizens prior to his birth. According to past public statements made by his father, legal opinions and documentation currently available, Rafael (Ted) Cruz was likely born of 2 Canadian citizens in Calgary back in December of 1970.

Under public pressure regarding a possible run for President of the United States, Cruz did release his Canadian certificate of birth. Since the certificate only lists his parents place of birth and not their citizenship status, it has just merely been assumed that his mother retained her US citizenship since her birth. It was not until May of 2014 that Senator Cruz filed the legal paperwork necessary to officially denounce his Canadian citizenship which was automatic at birth.

snip

If Senator Ted Cruz was only a citizen of Canada and has since denounced that citizenship, is he a man without a country and unlawfully holding a US Senate seat?

Will the American people unite in a demand that our constitution is finally adhered to? At least 3 Republican contenders for President are obviously not eligible to run for the office. Why has even Donald Trump gotten silent on the issue? It will take the American people to right these wrongs, no candidate currently running for office from either major party has the guts to ever do it.

The three are Cruz, Rubio and Jindal.

bwahahaaaaa!

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HappyWarrior  Aug 16, 2015 • 1:37:08pm

re: #94 Backwoods_Sleuth

It’s always fun when they eat their own.

donotlink.com

snip

The three are Cruz, Rubio and Jindal.

bwahahaaaaa!

Xenophobia sucks but Jindal, Cruz, and Rubio have been just as guilty of it as their white counterparts have so all I can say to this is haw-haw.

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ObserverArt  Aug 16, 2015 • 1:37:48pm

re: #90 Charles Johnson

Never thought I’d see it, but Rand Paul has been out-crazied.

Hey…TRUMP® does everything bigger and better. His craziness might just be the greatest ever.

(And yes…the more this guy talks, the more his fascism comes out. Everyone ready for your USA by TRUMP® uniforms? They’ll be fantastic and everyone will be working together, once we get the people we don’t want gone. It’ll be great, the greatest…all working to Make America Great Again™)

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stpaulbear  Aug 16, 2015 • 1:39:19pm

re: #90 Charles Johnson

Never thought I’d see it, but Rand Paul has been out-crazied.

He’s going to be stuck with a permanent pouty-face.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 16, 2015 • 1:39:41pm

re: #90 Charles Johnson

Never thought I’d see it, but Rand Paul has been out-crazied.

Yep and he’s pissed about it.

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The Vicious Babushka  Aug 16, 2015 • 1:39:49pm

Donald Trump’s plans for Detroit:

FIRST, SHUT DOWN MOAR AUTO PLANTS!!! THEN WHEN THOSE YOONYUN LOSERS & DUMMIES ARE UNEMPLOYED FOR A COUPLE OF YEARS THEY’LL BE HAPPY TO GET THERE OLD JERBS BACK FOR HALF THE PAY!!!! TERRIFIC DEAL!!11!!!!

He said U.S. automakers could shift production away from Michigan to communities where autoworkers would make less. “You can go to different parts of the United States and then ultimately you’d do full-circle — you’ll come back to Michigan because those guys are going to want their jobs back even if it is less,” Trump said. “We can do the rotation in the United States — it doesn’t have to be in Mexico.”

He said that after Michigan “loses a couple of plants — all of sudden you’ll make good deals in your own area.”

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HappyWarrior  Aug 16, 2015 • 1:40:55pm

What’s really freaky is to read the people who eat this shit up. These are people you and I actually know. We work with them. Their kids are friends with our kids.

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aagcobb  Aug 16, 2015 • 1:41:42pm

re: #96 ObserverArt

Hey…TRUMP(r) does everything bigger and better. His craziness might just be the greatest ever.

(And yes…the more this guy talks, the more his fascism comes out. Everyone ready for your USA by TRUMP(r) uniforms? They’ll be fantastic and everyone will be working together, once we get the people we don’t want gone. It’ll be great, the greatest…all working to Make America Great AgainTM)

If the GOP nominates Trump, it will become the first electorally significant fascist party in the U.S. It hasn’t been up until now because it lacked the “great man” to build a personality cult around.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 16, 2015 • 1:43:16pm

re: #101 aagcobb

If the GOP nominates Trump, it will become the first electorally significant fascist party in the U.S. It hasn’t been up until now because it lacked the “great man” to build a personality cult around.

And they’ll get at least 40, maybe even 45% of the vote with him.

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goddamnedfrank  Aug 16, 2015 • 1:44:29pm

I love Donald Trumps “I’m a very serious sad person” face.

re: #94 Backwoods_Sleuth

Details have been emerging which highly suggest that both Ted Cruz’s parents had become Canadian citizens prior to his birth.

Even if true so what? All this would mean is that Cruz’s mom was a dual citizen, not that she renounced her American citizenship.

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Skip Intro  Aug 16, 2015 • 1:45:04pm

re: #94 Backwoods_Sleuth

Don’t leave out Trump. His mother was born in Scotland.

Yeah, I know she was allegedly naturalized before Trump was born, but how do we know that for sure? Just look at what Obama’s family pulled off since the day he was born.

I don’t think the birthers should let Trump off the hook just because he’s one of them. These are people with principles, after all.

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b_sharp  Aug 16, 2015 • 1:45:45pm

re: #63 Lidane

I think my favorite part of this plan is its utter obliviousness.

95% of all the land in Texas is privately owned. To build that giant, impenetrable wall, Trump would have to seize all of the land along the Rio Grande via that conservative bugaboo of eminent domain. Then he’d have to force the government onto the land they DON’T seize so that they can move equipment, workers and supplies to build the wall.

Good luck with that.

That’s why Trump wants Mexico to pay for it, and I assume place it on the Mexico side.

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aagcobb  Aug 16, 2015 • 1:46:03pm

re: #103 goddamnedfrank

I love Donald Trumps “I’m a very serious sad person” face.

Even if true so what? All this would mean is that Cruz’s mom was a dual citizen, not that she renounced her American citizenship.

The article was written by a crazed birther who believes that if either of your parents has even dual citizenship, you are not a “natural born” citizen. Which is completely false.

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ObserverArt  Aug 16, 2015 • 1:46:22pm

re: #101 aagcobb

If the GOP nominates Trump, it will become the first electorally significant fascist party in the U.S. It hasn’t been up until now because it lacked the “great man” to build a personality cult around.

It always comes down to a mixture to create a truly fascist state. I think we have some of the elements at the ready more than ever before. If the citizenship gets dumb and lets a “real leader” start to control more and more based just on emotion…all bets are off!

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Charles Johnson  Aug 16, 2015 • 1:47:02pm
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Camacho DeezNuts 2016  Aug 16, 2015 • 1:47:17pm
And one final note about Trump’s plan: to back up his claims, he links to not one, not two, but six articles at the far right xenophobia-peddling website Breitbart “News.”

How soon before he buys Breitbart? He’s giving them coin now last I heard.

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Aug 16, 2015 • 1:47:39pm

re: #107 ObserverArt

It always comes down to a mixture to create a truly fascist state. I think we have some of the elements at the ready more than ever before. If the citizenship gets dumb and lets a “real leader” start to control more and more based just on emotion…all bets are off!

worked for Russia in the chaos following its last collapse

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ObserverArt  Aug 16, 2015 • 1:48:54pm

re: #105 b_sharp

That’s why Trump wants Mexico to pay for it, and I assume place it on the Mexico side.

And it can only be built from the south side of the wall!

“You gotta be tough on these people, smart. It’ll be great.”

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Camacho DeezNuts 2016  Aug 16, 2015 • 1:51:23pm

Go over to Fox News and read the comments about Julian Bond’s passing.

Actually, don’t.

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Teukka  Aug 16, 2015 • 1:51:25pm

Dunno if this has been told yet, but came across a joke…

Q: Have you ever seen Trump & Chewbacca at the same time? I’m just sayin…

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teleskiguy  Aug 16, 2015 • 1:51:28pm

re: #108 Charles Johnson

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Aug 16, 2015 • 1:51:31pm

re: #111 ObserverArt

And it can only be built from the south side of the wall!

Who’s to make sure they don’t build it with ladders on their side?

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KGxvi  Aug 16, 2015 • 1:52:46pm

Got to love the party that loves the constitution so much they want to change it with every policy. Eliminating birth right citizenship would require a constitutional amendment since the Supreme Court has held (more than a century ago) that it is guaranteed by the 14th amendment.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Aug 16, 2015 • 1:53:47pm

re: #95 HappyWarrior

Xenophobia sucks but Jindal, Cruz, and Rubio have been just as guilty of it as their white counterparts have so all I can say to this is haw-haw.

Jindal and Rubio may be Anchor Babies™, but under the 14th Amendment, they are US citizens. It’s Cruz and Trump who are ineligible. And Romney, as far as that goes.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 16, 2015 • 1:54:01pm

re: #108 Charles Johnson

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Of course Bryan loves this. He loves anything bigoted like him.

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Skip Intro  Aug 16, 2015 • 1:54:12pm

You know, we really don’t need to worry about Trump or anything else,

BECAUSE

I hope everybody feels better now.

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Aug 16, 2015 • 1:54:38pm

re: #116 KGxvi

Got to love the party that loves the constitution so much they want to change it with every policy. Eliminating birth right citizenship would require a constitutional amendment since the Supreme Court has held (more than a century ago) that it is guaranteed by the 14th amendment.

I would have no objection to amending the Constitution to allow automatic citizenship only to children born to parents who are legal residents here. That was the case with my kids born in Germany.

But it involves a Constitutional process, not an Executive Order.

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aagcobb  Aug 16, 2015 • 1:54:46pm

re: #116 KGxvi

Got to love the party that loves the constitution so much they want to change it with every policy. Eliminating birth right citizenship would require a constitutional amendment since the Supreme Court has held (more than a century ago) that it is guaranteed by the 14th amendment.

They would argue that undocumented immigrants are the equivalent of enemy soldiers, and so their children can be stripped of citizenship by law without amending the 14th. They are, of course, wrong.

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Camacho DeezNuts 2016  Aug 16, 2015 • 1:54:49pm

re: #115 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

Who’s to make sure they don’t build it with ladders on their side?

With a moat. With sharks. With lasers.

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ObserverArt  Aug 16, 2015 • 1:54:53pm

re: #115 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

Who’s to make sure they don’t build it with ladders on their side?

They wouldn’t dare mess with TRUMP®.

And we’ll have our military down there making sure it’s done right. Mexico will work with us because they like TRUMP®.

/Trump

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HappyWarrior  Aug 16, 2015 • 1:56:17pm

re: #112 JadeHelmCurious

Go over to Fox News and read the comments about Julian Bond’s passing.

Actually, don’t.

No, thanks, I don’t want to puke in the pool when I go for my daily swim. RIP to Mr. Bond though, a great civil rights hero.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 16, 2015 • 1:56:49pm

re: #116 KGxvi

Got to love the party that loves the constitution so much they want to change it with every policy. Eliminating birth right citizenship would require a constitutional amendment since the Supreme Court has held (more than a century ago) that it is guaranteed by the 14th amendment.

Right. Fucking assholes.

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Camacho DeezNuts 2016  Aug 16, 2015 • 1:57:51pm

re: #116 KGxvi

Got to love the party that loves the constitution so much they want to change it with every policy. Eliminating birth right citizenship would require a constitutional amendment since the Supreme Court has held (more than a century ago) that it is guaranteed by the 14th amendment.

This is the party that hates government, that’s why they want to lead it.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 16, 2015 • 1:59:04pm

Remember rebranding. Oh Reince Preibus, you joker you, you didn’t tell us that your party was going to be even more pathetic this time.

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b_sharp  Aug 16, 2015 • 1:59:24pm

re: #111 ObserverArt

And it can only be built from the south side of the wall!

“You gotta be tough on these people, smart. It’ll be great.”

The north side of the wall will just self-build.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 16, 2015 • 2:00:33pm

re: #103 goddamnedfrank

I love Donald Trumps “I’m a very serious sad person” face.

Even if true so what? All this would mean is that Cruz’s mom was a dual citizen, not that she renounced her American citizenship.

I think they are claiming she gave up her American citizenship.
But not sure because I don’t speak fluent wingnut.

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b_sharp  Aug 16, 2015 • 2:01:55pm

re: #129 Backwoods_Sleuth

I think they are claiming she gave up her American citizenship.
But not sure because I don’t speak fluent wingnut.

I used to be a wingnut to English translator until the voices in my head went on strike.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 16, 2015 • 2:02:05pm

re: #115 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

Who’s to make sure they don’t build it with ladders on their side?

and tunnels. Don’t forget the tunnels…teh messicans are super at building tunnels…

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Camacho DeezNuts 2016  Aug 16, 2015 • 2:02:42pm
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Sionainn  Aug 16, 2015 • 2:03:55pm

Something I noticed in Trump’s plan…there is no mention of penalties for people who employ illegal immigrants. Nothing, zip, nada.

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ObserverArt  Aug 16, 2015 • 2:03:58pm

re: #128 b_sharp

The north side of the wall will just self-build.

The Art of The Wall

by The Donald TRUMP

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Aug 16, 2015 • 2:04:52pm

re: #128 b_sharp

The north side of the wall will just self-build.

Who will be placed in charge of quality control and building oversight?

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HappyWarrior  Aug 16, 2015 • 2:05:00pm

re: #133 Sionainn

Something I noticed in Trump’s plan…there is no mention of penalties for people who employ illegal immigrants. Nothing, zip, nada.

Don’t wanna hurt business.

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Belafon  Aug 16, 2015 • 2:05:47pm

re: #120 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

I would have no objection to amending the Constitution to allow automatic citizenship only to children born to parents who are legal residents here. That was the case with my kids born in Germany.

Which I would be against unless we created a serious working immigration and guest worker system. Which country would the child of illegal immigrants belong to that grew up here?

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b_sharp  Aug 16, 2015 • 2:06:29pm

re: #135 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

Who will be placed in charge of quality control and building oversight?

It’s all done with mirrors. Smoke & mirrors to be exact.

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Amory Blaine  Aug 16, 2015 • 2:06:41pm

Walls we got money for. Nothing else though, you lousy moochers. Beam me up plz.

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Lidane  Aug 16, 2015 • 2:08:25pm

Wheee!

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Aug 16, 2015 • 2:09:30pm

re: #137 Belafon

Which I would be against unless we created a serious working immigration and guest worker system. Which country would the child of illegal immigrants belong to that grew up here?

Yes, it would all have to be part of a comprehensive reform, which nobody among the GOP base wants to hear about. They want Executive Solutions á la Trump

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Camacho DeezNuts 2016  Aug 16, 2015 • 2:09:34pm
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HappyWarrior  Aug 16, 2015 • 2:10:20pm

re: #142 JadeHelmCurious

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MLK would have approved of the racist comments directed at Julian Bond.//

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HappyWarrior  Aug 16, 2015 • 2:11:13pm

It’s quite something to me that the GOP base loves this yet Obama’s executive actions were an “abuse” of executive authority. Of course, we already know that the GOP base is two faced about executive authority.

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Amory Blaine  Aug 16, 2015 • 2:13:00pm

Why no proposal to seize the assets of business that hire undocumented workers? I mean if it’s such a national emergency and the country is so broke.

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The Vicious Babushka  Aug 16, 2015 • 2:13:04pm
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HappyWarrior  Aug 16, 2015 • 2:13:44pm

re: #146 The Vicious Babushka

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Damn. Condolences to Morgan and his whole family.

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teleskiguy  Aug 16, 2015 • 2:13:47pm

re: #140 Lidane

Wheee!

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Aug 16, 2015 • 2:14:07pm

re: #140 Lidane

Wheee!

I don’t care if DonaldTrump wants to perform abortions in White House after this immigration policy paper.

Ann is just riffing, this is all for shock and show.

But it is no less disgusting for that.

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Decatur Deb  Aug 16, 2015 • 2:15:18pm

re: #106 aagcobb

The article was written by a crazed birther who believes that if either of your parents has even dual citizenship, you are not a “natural born” citizen. Which is completely false.

You called?

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ninja cat  Aug 16, 2015 • 2:16:54pm

Sad to see Gen. Chuck Yeager go all in on Trump on FB. Holding out hope his account as hacked and he really didn’t post this tripe.

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Decatur Deb  Aug 16, 2015 • 2:18:16pm

re: #135 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

Who will be placed in charge of quality control and building oversight?

Our German engineers are better than their German engineers.

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bratwurst  Aug 16, 2015 • 2:18:48pm

I am pretty sure this is a “In the land of the blind…” kind of thing.

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Varek Raith  Aug 16, 2015 • 2:19:03pm

re: #152 Decatur Deb

Our German engineers are better than their German engineers.

So…
The Microsoft Paperclip?

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Eric The Fruit Bat  Aug 16, 2015 • 2:19:20pm

re: #108 Charles Johnson

…Ahem…

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HappyWarrior  Aug 16, 2015 • 2:20:51pm

re: #151 ninja cat

Sad to see Gen. Chuck Yeager go all in on Trump on FB. Holding out hope his account as hacked and he really didn’t post this tripe.

I sadly do believe it. I have a lot of respect for Chuck but he was a strong supporter of a pretty far right GOP candidate in 2008. I forget the guy’s name but he was from the San Diego suburbs. I remember because Coulter supported him. Duncan Hunter perhaps?

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HappyWarrior  Aug 16, 2015 • 2:21:28pm

re: #153 bratwurst

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I am pretty sure this is a “In the land of the blind…” kind of thing.

If Jeff Sessions is an “intellectual leader” of any movement, maybe it’s time to reconsider the existence of said movement.

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Decatur Deb  Aug 16, 2015 • 2:22:34pm

re: #153 bratwurst

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I am pretty sure this is a “In the land of the blind…” kind of thing.

The very name Senator Jefferson Beauregard Sessions the Third just drips interlect.

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Lidane  Aug 16, 2015 • 2:23:24pm

re: #153 bratwurst

The Freepers were bleating about Jeff Sessions being the inspiration for Trump’s plan like it was a good thing or something. WTF.

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Camacho DeezNuts 2016  Aug 16, 2015 • 2:29:23pm
Who run GOP Intellectual Town? I run GOP Intellectual Town

Jefferson Beauregard Sessions, from Beyond GunFreeZoneDome, the Mad John Galt series

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ninja cat  Aug 16, 2015 • 2:31:35pm

re: #156 HappyWarrior

Yes, I just looked it up, you are correct. Shame. I’ll just respect Yeager’s past achievements and leave it at that.

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gocart mozart  Aug 16, 2015 • 2:36:02pm

Is Trump more popular than Jesus?

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Higgs Boson's Mate  Aug 16, 2015 • 2:36:41pm

It’s been nineteen years since Congress passed comprehensive immigration reform legislation. Trump’s plan is inhumane, odious, unconstitutional and unworkable. It will further open his lead. He will also pick up votes from LIVs because, “At least Trump wants to do something about all those illegals.”

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gocart mozart  Aug 16, 2015 • 2:37:28pm
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Varek Raith  Aug 16, 2015 • 2:38:51pm

I can’t believe how utterly ridiculous this country has become.
Sigh.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 16, 2015 • 2:41:34pm
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bratwurst  Aug 16, 2015 • 2:42:09pm

I think this is an example of the famous British talent for understatement:

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Higgs Boson's Mate  Aug 16, 2015 • 2:46:09pm

re: #167 bratwurst

Donald Trump’s problem is he’s unlikely to prevail with little support among educated voters

Like that’s a big problem here in the good ol’ US of A. THE RWNJs will crawl over broken glass to vote, educated voters not so much.

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jaunte  Aug 16, 2015 • 2:49:09pm
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GlutenFreeJesus  Aug 16, 2015 • 2:51:15pm

re: #169 jaunte

There we go with that “he can’t win” crap. Yes he can. And we need to make sure he doesn’t. And it can’t even be close.

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Varek Raith  Aug 16, 2015 • 2:51:34pm

re: #169 jaunte

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Hey!
Not all us evil people support him!
DISCRIMINATION!

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Amory Blaine  Aug 16, 2015 • 2:51:37pm
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jaunte  Aug 16, 2015 • 2:52:12pm

re: #170 GlutenFreeJesus

Yes, I wouldn’t agree with the “zero chance” part of that tweet.

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Charles Johnson  Aug 16, 2015 • 2:54:52pm

I was just waiting for some crackpot to say this.

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Decatur Deb  Aug 16, 2015 • 2:55:26pm

The farm labor problem persists in the South (starts on lower p1):

blueridgenow.com

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 16, 2015 • 2:55:34pm

re: #174 Charles Johnson

I was just waiting for some crackpot to say this.

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I think the citizens of Ferguson agree.

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Varek Raith  Aug 16, 2015 • 2:56:47pm

Sigh.
So many on the left throw out the ‘we’re a police state’ attack too often.
If you think this is anything approaching a police state, well, you’re lost.

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Decatur Deb  Aug 16, 2015 • 2:58:44pm

re: #174 Charles Johnson

I was just waiting for some crackpot to say this.

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Timeline indicates they’re probably on the left end of the convergence.

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Dark_Falcon  Aug 16, 2015 • 2:59:46pm

re: #175 Decatur Deb

The farm labor problem persists in the South (starts on lower p1):

blueridgenow.com

To which I reply: “Fine, then let’s have Congress pass a law creating a guest worker program. I’d even be OK with allowing some people here illegally to get legal under the program.”

But I’m not sure farmers actually want that sort of program, since that would raise their labor costs due to taxes that their workers would have to pay.

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Higgs Boson's Mate  Aug 16, 2015 • 3:01:04pm

re: #177 Varek Raith

Sigh.
So many on the left throw out the ‘we’re a police state’ attack too often.
If you think this is anything approaching a police state, well, you’re lost.

I lost track of how many seemingly level-headed people ran around with their hair on fire during the Nixon years. By that time I’d been to real police states. Not the same.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 16, 2015 • 3:01:34pm

re: #179 Dark_Falcon

To which I reply: “Fine, then let’s have Congress pass a law creating a guest worker program. I’d even be OK with allowing some people here illegally to get legal under the program.”

But I’m not sure farmers actually want that sort of program, since that would raise their labor costs due to taxes that their workers would have to pay.

D_F, the farm workers are already paying taxes.

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Decatur Deb  Aug 16, 2015 • 3:01:37pm

re: #179 Dark_Falcon

To which I reply: “Fine, then let’s have Congress pass a law creating a guest worker program. I’d even be OK with allowing some people here illegally to get legal under the program.”

But I’m not sure farmers actually want that sort of program, since that would raise their labor costs due to taxes that their workers would have to pay.

Paying honest wages (and taxes) takes all the fun out of migrant labor.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 16, 2015 • 3:02:23pm

Oh, and there already is a guest worker program for migrant farm workers.

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Decatur Deb  Aug 16, 2015 • 3:02:37pm

re: #181 Backwoods_Sleuth

D_F, the farm workers are already paying taxes.

Legal workers can’t be abused with as much immunity.

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Charles Johnson  Aug 16, 2015 • 3:03:00pm

re: #176 Backwoods_Sleuth

I think the citizens of Ferguson agree.

Things are bad in Ferguson, but “police state” is way over the top.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 16, 2015 • 3:03:17pm

re: #184 Decatur Deb

Legal workers can’t be abused with as much immunity.

Oh, legal workers absolutely can be abused with immunity.

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Decatur Deb  Aug 16, 2015 • 3:04:06pm

re: #185 Charles Johnson

Things are bad in Ferguson, but “police state” is way over the top.

Do I hear “police township?” Somebody give me “police county”.

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Higgs Boson's Mate  Aug 16, 2015 • 3:04:55pm

re: #187 Decatur Deb

Do I hear “police township?” Somebody give me “police county”.

Police collective, comrade.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 16, 2015 • 3:05:10pm

re: #167 bratwurst

I think this is an example of the famous British talent for understatement:

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“Why, Mr. Stevenson, you’ll win the vote of every thinking man and woman I know.”
“Thank you madam but I need a majority.”

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Decatur Deb  Aug 16, 2015 • 3:06:11pm

re: #188 Higgs Boson’s Mate

Police collective, comrade.

Jus good ol’ boys.

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SteveMcGaziBolaGate  Aug 16, 2015 • 3:07:04pm

Can somebody refresh my memory regarding how illegal immigrants are destroying the country?

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Lidane  Aug 16, 2015 • 3:07:41pm

re: #191 SteveMcGaziBolaGate

Can somebody refresh my memory regarding how illegal immigrants are destroying the country?

Youtube Video

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aagcobb  Aug 16, 2015 • 3:07:42pm

re: #191 SteveMcGaziBolaGate

Can somebody refresh my memory regarding how illegal immigrants are destroying the country?

There are approximately 11 million.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 16, 2015 • 3:07:45pm

re: #191 SteveMcGaziBolaGate

Can somebody refresh my memory regarding how illegal immigrants are destroying the country?

They’re committing 110% of the crimes.

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SteveMcGaziBolaGate  Aug 16, 2015 • 3:08:04pm

Can somebody refresh my memory regarding how slutty women are ruining this country?

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Higgs Boson's Mate  Aug 16, 2015 • 3:08:10pm

re: #191 SteveMcGaziBolaGate

Can somebody refresh my memory regarding how illegal immigrants are destroying the country?

The same insidious way that SSM destroys hetero marriage.

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Dark_Falcon  Aug 16, 2015 • 3:08:35pm

re: #178 Decatur Deb

Timeline indicates they’re probably on the left end of the convergence.

That person had a link to the following on-topic story from a different source. I’m not use that person’s link, because I don’t want to use a moonbat’s link, but here’s the DM’s version:

Vigilante border militiamen busted after ‘stealing cocaine from fake drug cartel in FBI sting operation’ and saying they would kill for money

Arizona border vigilantes have been charged with intent to sell cocaine after they supposedly stole five kilograms of the substance from a fake drug cartel during an FBI sting operation.

Parris Frazier, Robert Deatherage and Erik Foster of the Arizona Special Operations Group militia were arrested in July after taking cocaine from a vehicle at a warehouse off of a highway between Phoenix and Flagstaff.

Frazier had previously told an undercover FBI agent that he was willing to steal cash, drugs or kill anyone who needed to be ‘taken out’ to make money for his group.

A complaint against the men, who previously gained notoriety for providing anti-Muslim activist John Ritzheimer with security at one of his events, says that they have been under investigation since January.

Especially amusing to me was the first photo of this Robert Deatherage. Here we see the goofball wearing a camo outfit with a patch that says ‘Sniper’ while cradling a non-scoped AKM (which is NOT a sniper’s weapon):

Image: 2B63A25700000578-3199241-image-a-60_1439657073421.jpg

The guy is a classic Mall Ninja.

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Decatur Deb  Aug 16, 2015 • 3:09:26pm

re: #193 aagcobb

There are approximately 11 million.

Does that include the feckn’ Irish?

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Dark_Falcon  Aug 16, 2015 • 3:11:21pm

re: #195 SteveMcGaziBolaGate

Can somebody refresh my memory regarding how slutty women are ruining this country?

Actually, Trump isn’t hostile to slutty women as long as they’re slutty with him first.

/Kinda

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 16, 2015 • 3:12:26pm

re: #197 Dark_Falcon

I posted that a couple of days ago from Talking Points memo.

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Nyet  Aug 16, 2015 • 3:12:31pm

Trump has the flag part down pat, now the cross.

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bratwurst  Aug 16, 2015 • 3:12:59pm

re: #191 SteveMcGaziBolaGate

Can somebody refresh my memory regarding how illegal immigrants are destroying the country?

Just watch their nefarious behavior for yourself:

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Decatur Deb  Aug 16, 2015 • 3:13:26pm

re: #201 Nyet

Trump has the flag part down pat, now the cross.

It’s fun watching the Freepers try to shrive him now.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 16, 2015 • 3:14:28pm

re: #201 Nyet

Trump has the flag part down pat, now the cross.

He’s been working on that in Iowa.

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jaunte  Aug 16, 2015 • 3:14:52pm

re: #175 Decatur Deb

The farm labor problem persists in the South (starts on lower p1):

blueridgenow.com

Trump has a plan to replace the experienced farm labor: use women.

“Before any new green cards are issued to foreign workers abroad, there will be a pause where employers will have to hire from the domestic pool of unemployed immigrant and native workers. This will help reverse women’s plummeting workplace participation rate, grow wages, and allow record immigration levels to subside to more moderate historical averages.”

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Aug 16, 2015 • 3:15:29pm

re: #181 Backwoods_Sleuth

D_F, the farm workers are already paying taxes.

They’re paying more taxes than the rest of us, because they can’t get refunds.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 16, 2015 • 3:15:45pm

re: #205 jaunte

Trump has a plan to replace the experienced farm labor: use women.

She will be strong on plow.

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Dark_Falcon  Aug 16, 2015 • 3:17:11pm

re: #200 Backwoods_Sleuth

I posted that a couple of days ago from Talking Points memo.

Sorry, I hadn’t seen it. Even so, I likely would have posted a link to that photo, as it captures the quintessential “Mall Ninja Militiaman”.

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Reality Based Steve  Aug 16, 2015 • 3:17:31pm

So if I’m tracking, the illegal aliens are going to force me to gay marry while bakers are being herded off to the camps. Then Reagan happens. (or something)

RBS

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Decatur Deb  Aug 16, 2015 • 3:17:39pm

re: #207 HappyWarrior

She will be strong on plow.

A Carter County KY friend’s mule died during the Depression. His wife pulled their plow.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 16, 2015 • 3:17:49pm

re: #208 Dark_Falcon

Sorry, I hadn’t seen it. Even so, I likely would have posted a link to that photo, as it captures the quintessential “Mall Ninja Militiaman”.

Frazier and friends are just wannabee Wolverines.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 16, 2015 • 3:19:02pm

re: #210 Decatur Deb

A Carter County KY friend’s mule died during the Depression. His wife pulled their plow.

Borat ref. But pretty much all the women on both sides of my family did farmwork at some point.

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Dark_Falcon  Aug 16, 2015 • 3:19:08pm

re: #205 jaunte

Trump has a plan to replace the experienced farm labor: use women.

I think he’s referring to things like H1B visas there, and not farm labor. I’m not trying to defend his plan by saying that, it’s just my attempt at correctly analyzing it.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 16, 2015 • 3:19:28pm

re: #209 RealityBasedSteve

So if I’m tracking, the illegal aliens are going to force me to gay marry while bakers are being herded off to the camps. Then Reagan happens. (or something)

RBS

You forgot Shariah law but yes.

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Decatur Deb  Aug 16, 2015 • 3:19:29pm

re: #212 HappyWarrior

Borat ref. But pretty much all the women on both sides of my family did farmwork at some point.

Ah.

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Amory Blaine  Aug 16, 2015 • 3:20:41pm

re: #209 RealityBasedSteve

Don’t forget the babbies!

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HappyWarrior  Aug 16, 2015 • 3:20:44pm

re: #215 Decatur Deb

Ah.

Yeah, there’s a scene where he’s at a dating agency, I think this was on the show where he describes his ideal woman as being strong on plow and the dating agency rep tells him he’s not likely to find too many American women like that.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 16, 2015 • 3:21:07pm

re: #213 Dark_Falcon

I think he’s referring to things like H1B visas there, and not farm labor. I’m not trying to defend his plan by saying that, it’s just my attempt at correctly analyzing it.

Trump is totally talking about farm workers.
And hotel housekeepers.
And groundskeepers and gardeners.
And all THOSE PEOPLE.

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gocart mozart  Aug 16, 2015 • 3:21:08pm

Via Driftglass, driftglass.blogspot.com
Before Donald Trump There Was Denny Crane

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HappyWarrior  Aug 16, 2015 • 3:21:51pm

It’s obviously a plot by ACORN to give your unfertilized eggs to Planned Parenthood who then will bake them into a gay wedding cake that Christian bakers will have to serve to a gay Shariah law celebration that doubles as a Benghazi cover up. And the invites will be sent on Hillary Clinton’s private email address.

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Dark_Falcon  Aug 16, 2015 • 3:22:12pm

re: #209 RealityBasedSteve

So if I’m tracking, the illegal aliens are going to force me to gay marry while bakers are being herded off to the camps. Then Reagan happens. (or something)

RBS

Of course Reagan signed an illegal immigrant amnesty, that being the only thing the REAGAN!!1 Cult is willing to say Reagan did wrong.

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jaunte  Aug 16, 2015 • 3:22:50pm

re: #213 Dark_Falcon

Trump is performing for the Breitbart demographic.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 16, 2015 • 3:22:56pm

re: #221 Dark_Falcon

Of course Reagan signed an illegal immigrant amnesty, that being the only thing the REAGAN!!1 Cult is willing to say Reagan did wrong.

The Reagan worshippers deny that he ever did such a thing, no matter how much evidence is provided.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 16, 2015 • 3:23:38pm

re: #223 Backwoods_Sleuth

The Reagan worshippers deny that he ever did such a thing, no matter how much evidence is provided.

They blame Tip O’Neill. Tip O’Neill tricked Reagan into doing bad things with his Irish Boston charm and a glass of Jameson.

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Decatur Deb  Aug 16, 2015 • 3:23:48pm

re: #217 HappyWarrior

Yeah, there’s a scene where he’s at a dating agency, I think this was on the show where he describes his ideal woman as being strong on plow and the dating agency rep tells him he’s not likely to find too many American women like that.

Should try Carter County.

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goddamnedfrank  Aug 16, 2015 • 3:24:15pm
Todd quoted the Buzzfeed article in which an email from the campaign to BLM — written by Sanders senior staffer Marcus Ferrell — read, “I apologize it took our campaign so long to officially reach out…” Sanders corrected Todd, letting him know it didn’t come from him.

“Well, that was sent out by a staffer, not by me,” Sanders replied. “Look, we are reaching out to all kinds of groups. Absolutely I met with folks at Black Lives Matter. We’re reaching out to Latino groups. We’re reaching out to the unions.”

“I understand that you said a staffer put it out, but you felt an apology was necessary?” Todd pressed the senator.

“No, I don’t. I think we’re going to be working with all groups. This was sent out without my knowledge,” Sanders said.

So Sanders is retracting a out a well thought out apology, and blaming a staffer for sending it out in the first place. Feel the Bern indeed.

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SteveMcGaziBolaGate  Aug 16, 2015 • 3:27:19pm

re: #226 goddamnedfrank

I think Bernie was confoosed.

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Camacho DeezNuts 2016  Aug 16, 2015 • 3:28:05pm

re: #226 goddamnedfrank

Oh shit Bernie. Srsly, fuck.

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A Cranky One  Aug 16, 2015 • 3:28:19pm

An example of how government over-regulation is harming business:

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HappyWarrior  Aug 16, 2015 • 3:29:36pm

re: #226 goddamnedfrank

So Sanders is retracting a out a well thought out apology, and blaming a staffer for sending it out in the first place. Feel the Bern indeed.

He really doesn’t help his cause sometimes.

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Camacho DeezNuts 2016  Aug 16, 2015 • 3:31:53pm

Nothing would make me a bigger fan of Bernie than if he actually responded to BLM, got out in front, and led on this issue.

I guess I’m resigned to voting for the lesser of evils.

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goddamnedfrank  Aug 16, 2015 • 3:32:21pm
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HappyWarrior  Aug 16, 2015 • 3:33:05pm

re: #231 JadeHelmCurious

Nothing would make me a bigger fan of Bernie than if he actually responded to BLM, got out in front, and led on this issue.

I guess I’m resigned to voting for the lesser of evils.

I would be impressed too. Don’t know why he’s being so mushy on this. You’d think this would be an issue that he would be able to lead on.

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Dark_Falcon  Aug 16, 2015 • 3:33:15pm

re: #227 SteveMcGaziBolaGate

I think Bernie was confoosed.

No I think he just didn’t care. He didn’t want a staffer posting an apology he doesn’t think he owes.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 16, 2015 • 3:34:05pm

re: #232 goddamnedfrank

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Hmmm that reminds me of what I was saying a few weeks ago about how some socialists are so obsessed with economics that they ignore social issues like racism, sexism, and homophobia.

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Higgs Boson's Mate  Aug 16, 2015 • 3:35:35pm

re: #226 goddamnedfrank

Frank appealed to me more when he was just a Congressman. I was hoping that he might last long enough to push the dialog to the left and it looks now as though he’ll fizzle out before he has any influence.

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Dark_Falcon  Aug 16, 2015 • 3:36:08pm

re: #233 HappyWarrior

I would be impressed too. Don’t know why he’s being so mushy on this. You’d think this would be an issue that he would be able to lead on.

His involvement in the civil rights movement was long ago and he’s more recently spent decades representing one of the whitest states in the Union. I think he’s a bit out of touch.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 16, 2015 • 3:37:27pm

re: #237 Dark_Falcon

His involvement in the civil rights movement was long ago and he’s more recently spent decades representing one of the whitest states in the Union. I think he’s a bit out of touch.

Could well be.

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stpaulbear  Aug 16, 2015 • 3:37:28pm

re: #231 JadeHelmCurious

Nothing would make me a bigger fan of Bernie than if he actually responded to BLM, got out in front, and led on this issue.

I guess I’m resigned to voting for the lesser of evils.

One of his staffers tossed the issue into his lap and he brushed it away like a cigar ash. He seems to have tunnel vision.

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Camacho DeezNuts 2016  Aug 16, 2015 • 3:39:01pm

re: #232 goddamnedfrank

Seriously, I don’t have enough chardonnay to withstand an onslaught of moonbattery.

Might have to break into the mezcal today.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 16, 2015 • 3:39:02pm

Sanders diehards think that just being one of the most liberal Dems in Congress is enough to get BLM’s support and respect. Politics is about issues but it’s alot about people too.

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goddamnedfrank  Aug 16, 2015 • 3:39:45pm

Let’s not overthink this, it’s Crusty Oldfucker Syndrome.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 16, 2015 • 3:40:38pm

re: #242 goddamnedfrank

Let’s not overthink this, it’s Crusty Oldfucker Syndrome.

I guess so but I can’t see Biden who is only a couple years younger being this clueless.

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Higgs Boson's Mate  Aug 16, 2015 • 3:41:33pm

re: #242 goddamnedfrank

Let’s not overthink this, it’s Crusty Oldfucker Syndrome.

Hey! I represent that!

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palomino  Aug 16, 2015 • 3:41:49pm

re: #46 Blind Frog Belly White

The idea that suddenly removing 11 million people, along with their labor and their unrecoverable FICA taxes, will suddenly improve things is magical thinking of immense proportions.

Also, where is the money coming from to treble the number of ICE agents, as well as to radically expand defense spending?

When the GOP controls DC, they always find a way to fund defense, no matter how many of their small government/balanced budget principles they have to abandon. It’s how they roll.

Let’s see how Jeb and Marco and others respond. In the GOP primaries, it may not be a smart strategy to go against the Donald on immigration. My guess is Jeb and Marco will simply mouth platitudes about border security, and otherwise try to avoid the issue.

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gwangung  Aug 16, 2015 • 3:42:07pm

re: #242 goddamnedfrank

Let’s not overthink this, it’s Crusty Oldfucker Syndrome.

If it is, I don’t want that in a president.

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goddamnedfrank  Aug 16, 2015 • 3:42:59pm

re: #243 HappyWarrior

I guess so but I can’t see Biden who is only a couple years younger being this clueless.

Crusty Oldfucker Syndrome has various modes of expression, chronic, acute, sudden onset …

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GlutenFreeJesus  Aug 16, 2015 • 3:43:13pm

re: #173 jaunte

He will probably have a 50% chance, come next year.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 16, 2015 • 3:43:50pm

re: #247 goddamnedfrank

Crusty Oldfucker Syndrome has various modes of expression, chronic, acute, sudden onset …

Touche. Good point.

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Higgs Boson's Mate  Aug 16, 2015 • 3:44:34pm

re: #245 palomino

When the GOP controls DC, they always find a way to fund defense, no matter how many of their small government/balanced budget principles they have to abandon. It’s how they roll.

Let’s see how Jeb and Marco and others respond. In the GOP primaries, it may not be a smart strategy to go against the Donald on immigration. My guess is Jeb and Marco will simply mouth platitudes about border security, and otherwise try to avoid the issue.

Who can forget the endless string of off-budget emergency appropriations bills they passed to pay for Afghanistan/Iraq?

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Decatur Deb  Aug 16, 2015 • 3:45:40pm

Sanders is not going to be the nominee, never was. The same is true for Trump, to bring the thread full circle.

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Dark_Falcon  Aug 16, 2015 • 3:46:17pm

re: #242 goddamnedfrank

Let’s not overthink this, it’s Crusty Oldfucker Syndrome.

Near Future Headline: “Senator Bernie Sanders caught on tape telling #BlackLivesMatter activist to ‘Get off my lawn!’”

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HappyWarrior  Aug 16, 2015 • 3:48:03pm

re: #245 palomino

When the GOP controls DC, they always find a way to fund defense, no matter how many of their small government/balanced budget principles they have to abandon. It’s how they roll.

Let’s see how Jeb and Marco and others respond. In the GOP primaries, it may not be a smart strategy to go against the Donald on immigration. My guess is Jeb and Marco will simply mouth platitudes about border security, and otherwise try to avoid the issue.

They’ll try to avoid the issue but what I wonder is will Donald and the others let them. Romney got Perry and Newt by outwingnutting them on immigration. Bush and Rubio of the establishment favorite types won’t be able to do that IMO.

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Decatur Deb  Aug 16, 2015 • 3:48:45pm

re: #242 goddamnedfrank

Let’s not overthink this, it’s Crusty Oldfucker Syndrome.

Don’t dismiss. It takes a lot of work to maintain a Crusty Oldfucker persona.

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Eric The Fruit Bat  Aug 16, 2015 • 3:49:34pm

re: #165 Varek Raith

Notice how when it comes to a lot of his statements/programs its up to other countries to pay for it? Mexico? Saudi Arabia? Europe? China?

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Higgs Boson's Mate  Aug 16, 2015 • 3:50:56pm

re: #254 Decatur Deb

Don’t dismiss. It takes a lot of work to maintain a Crusty Oldfucker persona.

It’s worth it for those times when you can play the Geezer Card.

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Jenner7  Aug 16, 2015 • 3:51:43pm

“Look at the flowers Lizzie…”

Season 4 TWD

Like The West Wing, I could watch this show over and over.

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Belafon  Aug 16, 2015 • 3:52:43pm

Sanders hasn’t been given the chance to say “All lives matter.” He’s just taking the chance.

///

Yeah, I don’t know why you wouldn’t say “Yes, I accept that we needed to respond to the issues raised by BlackLivesMatter. I want to continue working with them, and all groups, to combat issues that Americans are dealing with.” Especially since he’s let BLM begin one of his rallies.

I keep saying all of our candidates still have work to do, and I still believe it.

Edit: Let’s see what happens when he reads the transcript of his interview.

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bratwurst  Aug 16, 2015 • 3:54:21pm
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Nyet  Aug 16, 2015 • 3:55:50pm

re: #251 Decatur Deb

Sanders is not going to be the nominee, never was. The same is true for Trump, to bring the thread full circle.

What did you say about Obama back then?

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palomino  Aug 16, 2015 • 3:57:02pm

re: #253 HappyWarrior

They’ll try to avoid the issue but what I wonder is will Donald and the others let them. Romney got Perry and Newt by outwingnutting them on immigration. Bush and Rubio of the establishment favorite types won’t be able to do that IMO.

Trump will stay on offense with immigration, I’d guess. His extreme position on it is one of the reasons he’s been in first place in every poll for the last 6 weeks. He might as well continue to highlight his nut job views—immigration, etc—that play well with the GOP rubes (of which there are millions and millions.)

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Eric The Fruit Bat  Aug 16, 2015 • 3:57:13pm

Another privatization of prisons success story….for the jailers:

Link

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Decatur Deb  Aug 16, 2015 • 3:58:49pm

re: #260 Nyet

What did you say about Obama back then?

Voted for him in the Alabama primary. Thank god Edwards detonated just before it.

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Nyet  Aug 16, 2015 • 4:00:12pm

re: #263 Decatur Deb

But did you believe he would win that early in the race?

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Decatur Deb  Aug 16, 2015 • 4:00:51pm

re: #263 Decatur Deb

Voted for him in the Alabama primary. Thank god Edwards detonated just before it.

Addendum: I did think Obama was doomed the day the Rev. Wright story broke. His skill in defusing that convinced me he was going to pull it off.

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Mattand  Aug 16, 2015 • 4:00:56pm

re: #51 aagcobb

While I won’t categorically rule out him winning the nomination, he won’t be President. The Democratic nominee will get close to 100% of the Hispanic and African-American vote, and 60% of the female vote, and win in a landslide.

This country elected George W. Bush twice. A President Trump is absolutely possible.

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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Aug 16, 2015 • 4:03:13pm

impound all remittance payments derived from illegal wages

suddenly trump will know exactly who all 11 million illegal workers are and where they work, because this information is not being carefully concealed

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stpaulbear  Aug 16, 2015 • 4:03:49pm

re: #266 Mattand

This country elected George W. Bush twice. A President Trump is absolutely possible.

Bush only won the popular vote once. That was shame enough.

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Nyet  Aug 16, 2015 • 4:04:02pm

re: #266 Mattand

This country elected George W. Bush twice. A President Trump is absolutely possible.

Not to rub too much salt into old wounds, but many folks here voted for Palin. So yeah, everything is possible.

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Lidane  Aug 16, 2015 • 4:04:20pm

Trump’s enduring popularity on the right is more proof that RWNJs are complete fucking morons and that Idiocracy was a documentary.

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Decatur Deb  Aug 16, 2015 • 4:04:42pm

re: #264 Nyet

But did you believe he would win that early in the race?

Thought he would lose to Edwards. Sanders, even if he were hip and skilled, cannot swim with the ‘socialist’ anchor.

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Eric The Fruit Bat  Aug 16, 2015 • 4:04:59pm

re: #266 Mattand

This is starting to turn into a real-life “Idiocracy”. The only thing missing is Trump wielding an AK-47.

We need to find that quote/clip where he said he’d have Sarah Palin as part of his staff and hang him with it.

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Dark_Falcon  Aug 16, 2015 • 4:05:06pm

re: #269 Nyet

Not to rub too much salt into old wounds, but many folks here voted for Palin. So yeah, everything is possible.

For Veep, yes, I did. But that’s not the same thing.

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Nyet  Aug 16, 2015 • 4:05:56pm

re: #273 Dark_Falcon

For Veep, yes, I did. But that’s not the same thing.

With McCain at his age it was voting for Pres. Palin.

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Decatur Deb  Aug 16, 2015 • 4:06:23pm

re: #266 Mattand

This country elected George W. Bush twice. A President Trump is absolutely possible.

Only if the Dems pull something brilliant, like the 1968 convention.

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Mattand  Aug 16, 2015 • 4:07:01pm

re: #155 Eric The Fruit Bat

Be very, very careful when using anything from Penn & Teller to support an argument. By their own admission, they presented things on Bullshit to promote their own views, and openly admitted they weren’t going to even pretend to approach any sort of balance.

And by “views”, I mean “the crackpot version of libertarianism known as anarcho-capitalism.”

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Nyet  Aug 16, 2015 • 4:08:16pm

re: #276 Mattand

Great performers, poor scientists, philosophers, skeptics…

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Mattand  Aug 16, 2015 • 4:09:21pm

re: #273 Dark_Falcon

For Veep, yes, I did. But that’s not the same thing.

Yeah, it is. Voting for that ticket meant one was comfortable with Palin becoming President if something had happened to McCain.

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Dark_Falcon  Aug 16, 2015 • 4:10:34pm

re: #274 Nyet

I don’t agree, especially since McCain’s still alive.

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SteveMcGaziBolaGate  Aug 16, 2015 • 4:10:38pm

Donald Trump is the epitome of crapitalism in America.

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Eric The Fruit Bat  Aug 16, 2015 • 4:11:24pm

re: #271 Decatur Deb

Then how does one explain Vermont sending him back to Congress for decades with such a vile ‘anchor’ being called a sohulist?

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Nyet  Aug 16, 2015 • 4:11:46pm

re: #279 Dark_Falcon

I don’t agree, especially since McCain’s still alive.

He thankfully never had a chance to experience the most stressful job on Earth, so that he is alive now is neither here, nor there.

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Decatur Deb  Aug 16, 2015 • 4:12:46pm

re: #281 Eric The Fruit Bat

Then how does one explain Vermont sending him back to Congress for decades with such a vile ‘anchor’ being called a sohulist?

They’re not Florida.

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Mattand  Aug 16, 2015 • 4:13:03pm

re: #277 Nyet

Great performers, poor scientists, philosophers, skeptics…

Yeah, unfortunately. That immigration clip may be spot on, but I stopped watching the show after viewing their piece on second-hand smoke, and how there was no proof it could cause cancer.

Years later, at one of Randi’s Amazing Meetings, they offered a half-assed “oops” and dropped the subject. No different than endangering public health a la Jenny McCarthy, and they want it to quietly go away.

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Nyet  Aug 16, 2015 • 4:14:18pm

re: #284 Mattand

I think they implied they would do an episode exposing their own bs. Not sure whether they ever got to doing it.

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teleskiguy  Aug 16, 2015 • 4:14:32pm

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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Aug 16, 2015 • 4:15:23pm

Cook off a little bundle, dump it in the U.S., call it a 14th Amendment anchor baby and you’re set for life because we can’t have the parents of U.S. “Citizens” going hungry and not able to support theme can we? WHY THE HELL NOT?!!!

Trump was clever… we will deport them and we will keep the families together… how I wish he could and would make it so.

We now have at least 42,000,000 illegal and legal aliens in this country right now. Can you imagine what it would be like without them? A hell of a lot better that is how it would be. People would mow their own yards again and kids would have summer jobs again.

Our jails would be a lot less crowded
We would have about $600,000,000,000.00 fewer dollars spent because of them. That is enough to PAY for our military outright. With that one act the budget would almost be BALANCED!!!
Social Security would be helped.
Medicade would be helped
Hospital emergency rooms would empty out
Schools would speak English
You would not have to press ONE for anything!
The list of things that would be better is almost endless.

this says it all and rips the facade off of the idea that it is only illegal workers that are at issue. this statement seeths with hatred of spanish speakers and makes it quite plain that the writer will not be happy until every hispanic person, legal or illegal, is forceably removed from the united states

trump can issue policy statements that are plenty stupid and unrealistic enough, but you can see here that what his supporters hear is HISPANICS ARE TRASH

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Eric The Fruit Bat  Aug 16, 2015 • 4:15:53pm

re: #267 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸

Odds are Trump probably knows how to evade SAR’s better than most bankers-how else do you think some of the folks get into some of his properties?

//

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Varek Raith  Aug 16, 2015 • 4:18:09pm

re: #226 goddamnedfrank

So Sanders is retracting a out a well thought out apology, and blaming a staffer for sending it out in the first place. Feel the Bern indeed.

Facepalm.

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Mattand  Aug 16, 2015 • 4:18:18pm

re: #285 Nyet

I think they implied they would do an episode exposing their own bs. Not sure whether they ever got to doing it.

Never did. I get the impression they’re both fairly thin-skinned when it comes to criticism, particularly Penn. He had a major WTF a few years ago when he dropped the c-word on a woman who wrote an article criticizing Super Bowl ads.

The kicker? Penn never read the article. He then tried to defend his misogyny with the ol’ free speech routine, sort of insisting that he was protecting his daughter’s Constitutional rights by calling the author a c***.

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Nyet  Aug 16, 2015 • 4:18:23pm

And no matter the cries of “ageism” from the Bernie crowd, age is an issue.

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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Aug 16, 2015 • 4:18:57pm

Ann Coulter ✔@AnnCoulter
The greatest political document since the Magna Carta

might i suggest that it be titled ‘The Final Solution To The Hispanic Problem’?

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Decatur Deb  Aug 16, 2015 • 4:19:04pm

re: #272 Eric The Fruit Bat

This is starting to turn into a real-life “Idiocracy”. The only thing missing is Trump wielding an AK-47.

We need to find that quote/clip where he said he’d have Sarah Palin as part of his staff and hang him with it.

No trouble seeing Trump waving an AK-47 around. It will be gold, like Saddam’s.

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Great White Snark  Aug 16, 2015 • 4:19:18pm

Forgive a drop in? BEES!
Earlier just a few..

My hummingbird feeder got swarmed. Had to literally smoke them off grab the 3 feeders and hustle off to avoid making a big sting hazard. Without getting stung, whew.

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Eric The Fruit Bat  Aug 16, 2015 • 4:19:42pm

re: #276 Mattand

Yeah, I know-but this one was just way too easy and there’s history between Trump and Penn.

As I say: Trust the enemy you know before the friend you don’t.

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Nyet  Aug 16, 2015 • 4:20:07pm

re: #292 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸

Wait I’ll check something…

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goddamnedfrank  Aug 16, 2015 • 4:20:28pm

re: #264 Nyet

But did you believe he would win that early in the race?

I did, but I’m fucking amazing like that.

Do I think Bernie can win in a general election matchup? I don’t know, but the current polling on that question is pessimistic and Hillary seems to have a much better shot.

For what it’s worth I also think Hillary would have beaten McCain by a much wider margin, but that didn’t keep me from voting for Obama in the 2008 primary.

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Mattand  Aug 16, 2015 • 4:20:37pm

re: #295 Eric The Fruit Bat

Yeah, I know-but this one was just way too easy and there’s history between Trump and Penn.

As I say: Trust the enemy you know before the friend you don’t.

Shit, forgot about that. Good point.

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Nyet  Aug 16, 2015 • 4:21:27pm

re: #296 Nyet

Damn, no word on it from Vox Day. The guy who used to claim that deporting all illegal immigrants is feasible because the Nazis did it to the Jews. I thought he would love Trump’s program.

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goddamnedfrank  Aug 16, 2015 • 4:22:43pm

re: #281 Eric The Fruit Bat

Then how does one explain Vermont sending him back to Congress for decades with such a vile ‘anchor’ being called a sohulist?

Mass cheddar poisoning.

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palomino  Aug 16, 2015 • 4:24:13pm

re: #273 Dark_Falcon

For Veep, yes, I did. But that’s not the same thing.

You don’t get to rewrite the history of bad candidates you voted for. If you voted for Palin as Mac’s running mate, you should hang your head in shame. She’s the biggest joke in modern American politics. Even Trump seems like a serious candidate by comparison. Quitting in the middle of her first term, and unable to form a coherent sentence on any policy matter. A complete joke.

And of course McCain is an old man, so there was always that distinct possibility he could have croaked and she would have assumed the office. But more importantly, McCain’s choice of Palin should have been disqualifying for him. He knew virtually nothing about her, had barely even met her. No due diligence on your second in command? That’s completely inexcusable.

She’ll never live down her stupidity. And McCain will never live down the fact he chose someone so utterly stupid to begin with.

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Varek Raith  Aug 16, 2015 • 4:25:08pm

re: #269 Nyet

Not to rub too much salt into old wounds, but many folks here voted for Palin. So yeah, everything is possible.

I’M SORRY! WHAT DO YOU ALL WANT FROM ME?!?!
/

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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Aug 16, 2015 • 4:25:54pm

re: #299 Nyet

Damn, no word on it from Vox Day. The guy who used to claim that deporting all illegal immigrants is feasible because the Nazis did it to the Jews. I thought he would love Trump’s program.

according to what i heard trump say today, where he said “they have to go” but then insisted that he’d kerp families together, i think he is the first candidate to imply that legal residents and even citizens might be deported if they have illegal family members

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Decatur Deb  Aug 16, 2015 • 4:26:13pm

Trump is pulling 20-25% of Republicans. He is the tallest of the 17 Dwarfs.

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Eric The Fruit Bat  Aug 16, 2015 • 4:26:31pm

re: #284 Mattand

I remember their one show they did on recycling-their recycling example was so batshit outlandish (7 separate bins) that I wrote that particular episode off.

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Nyet  Aug 16, 2015 • 4:27:11pm

re: #302 Varek Raith

I’M SORRY! WHAT DO YOU ALL WANT FROM ME?!?!
/

Cookies.

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Dark_Falcon  Aug 16, 2015 • 4:27:46pm

re: #293 Decatur Deb

No trouble seeing Trump waving an AK-47 around. It will be gold, like Saddam’s.

Nah, the Donald will go with chrome, and leave the gold ones for the Palins when they join him on stage:

Of course, the AK’s selector works differently than the ARs Sarah and Co. are used to, so one of them will probably shoot herself in the foot.

Source for the photo.

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Varek Raith  Aug 16, 2015 • 4:28:05pm

re: #305 Eric The Fruit Bat

I remember their one show they did on recycling-their recycling example was so batshit outlandish (7 separate bins) that I wrote that particular episode off.

I remember that one.
I have two bins. Trash and recycling.
So easy a caveman can do it.

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palomino  Aug 16, 2015 • 4:28:28pm

re: #279 Dark_Falcon

I don’t agree, especially since McCain’s still alive.

Your hindsight is 20/20. Congrats.

But your vision in 2008 was utter blindness. Your terrible decision to vote for McPalin isn’t mitigated by the fact that he has lived a few years past his cohort’s average life expectancy.

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Joe Bacon  Aug 16, 2015 • 4:28:42pm

re: #22 teleskiguy

Jesus fucking Christ. I’m at a loss on this one, folks.

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OK, so Trump wants to build a wall at the Mexican border. I have to ask Trump if he ever read about something called The Maginot Line and how it failed at the start of World War 2…

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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Aug 16, 2015 • 4:29:38pm

re: #304 Decatur Deb

Trump is pulling 20-25% of Republicans. He is the tallest of the 17 Dwarfs.

in predicting what the breakdown will look like when all the dwarfiest dwarves are eliminated, you have to give trump carson’s and cruz’s votes, which already brings him to 49%. as for how to allocate the rest, this is less clear to me…

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HappyWarrior  Aug 16, 2015 • 4:29:48pm

re: #282 Nyet

He thankfully never had a chance to experience the most stressful job on Earth, so that he is alive now is neither here, nor there.

Exactly. We’ve seen how Obama has been aged by the presidency. Add to the fact that McCain would have been the oldest man ever to be in the office and a cancer survivor. Saying he’s still alive justifies the vote is silly and frankly and I don’t mean to attack anyone here that voted for McCain but McCain was a questionable vote in himself even without Palin. He is by his own admission hot tempered and that’s something that many colleagues including Republicans have said about him. Not someone I would want setting FP.

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Decatur Deb  Aug 16, 2015 • 4:30:47pm

re: #308 Varek Raith

I remember that one.
I have two bins. Trash and recycling.
So easy a caveman can do it.

That’s what our town does, and it works very well. Unfortunately, cheap oil and China’s troubles are wrecking the market for single-stream recycling product.

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Decatur Deb  Aug 16, 2015 • 4:32:08pm

re: #311 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸

in predicting what the breakdown will look like when all the dwarfiest dwarves are eliminated, you have to give trump carson’s and cruz’s votes, which already brings him to 49%. as for how to allocate the rest, this is less clear to me…

Scares me more to give Trump’s vote to Cruz or (more likely) Walker.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Aug 16, 2015 • 4:32:24pm

re: #308 Varek Raith

I remember that one.
I have two bins. Trash and recycling.
So easy a caveman can do it.

Well, to be fair, at one point we had a garbage bin, and three recycling bins: Cans, Glass, and Paper. Really wasn’t a tough sorting job. Now all the recycling goes in one dumpster, like you said.

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Nyet  Aug 16, 2015 • 4:32:43pm

re: #312 HappyWarrior

McCain is a warmonger. Not something anyone in the world wants to see in a US President.

(And yes, the rest of the world does get to voice their opinion as long as the US is the “leader of the free world” (gah, how I hate this phrase) and is actively engaged everywhere.)

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Mattand  Aug 16, 2015 • 4:33:14pm

re: #302 Varek Raith

I’M SORRY! WHAT DO YOU ALL WANT FROM ME?!?!
/

Your immortal soul. And a bag of Fritos.

But just straight up regular Fritos. None of that fancy flavor shit.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 16, 2015 • 4:33:14pm

There’s a possibility that McCain could still be alive if he was elected president in 2008 but I would say more than any man who has been nominated for president including Reagan that there was definitely a risk that he could not be which frankly is why the Palin VP pick is so indefensible. McCain knew he would be the oldest ever, he knew he was a cancer survivor, and he knew about the stresses of the job. McCain by many admissions only picked Palin to appease the religious right. Now to me that speaks volumes about his wisdom both as a leader- even if McCain were in perfect health, it would be an awful pick since the VP often represents the country and his wisdom long term. It would be nice if the guy had enough “straight talk” to admit that he made a mistake with her. John Kerry seems to have regretted picking John Edwards who may be a screw up of a human being like Palin but probably could have actually done the job.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 16, 2015 • 4:33:52pm

re: #316 Nyet

McCain is a warmonger. Not something anyone in the world wants to see in a US President.

(And yes, the rest of the world does get to voice their opinion as long as the US is the “leader of the free world” (gah, how I hate this phrase) and is actively engaged everywhere.)

A warmongrel with a hot temper. Yep I am glad I voted Obama/Biden and the country and world is better off for it.

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EPR-radar  Aug 16, 2015 • 4:34:30pm

re: #251 Decatur Deb

Sanders is not going to be the nominee, never was. The same is true for Trump, to bring the thread full circle.

My prediction is that Trump will be the GOP nominee. This kind of crazy bullshit on immigration is exactly the kind of thing the GOP base wants to hear, so Trump has no problem with delivery of red meat to the GOP base of previously unthinkable magnitude.

Hopefully Trump would lose in the general election, but that cannot be taken for granted. In any case, Trump could not suffer a humiliating loss in the electoral college, since the Red States aren’t going to abandon the GOP just for having a proto-fascist candidate.

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Mattand  Aug 16, 2015 • 4:34:32pm

re: #312 HappyWarrior

Exactly. We’ve seen how Obama has been aged by the presidency. Add to the fact that McCain would have been the oldest man ever to be in the office and a cancer survivor. Saying he’s still alive justifies the vote is silly and frankly and I don’t mean to attack anyone here that voted for McCain but McCain was a questionable vote in himself even without Palin. He is by his own admission hot tempered and that’s something that many colleagues including Republicans have said about him. Not someone I would want setting FP.

Honestly, outside of the gray hair, Obama looks fairly good. My own hair went from brown to gray fairly quickly, and I have maybe one millionth of the stress he’s got.

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Dark_Falcon  Aug 16, 2015 • 4:34:33pm

re: #301 palomino

I didn’t see Sarah Palin as a fool in the fall of 2008. That was in part partisanship, and part the fact that I wanted the person who was outside of the traditional mold of a politician to be capable. I think I had ossified mentally in some ways, but I’ve since gotten some flexibility back. As the Byrds put it (at 0:32):

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Ace-o-aces  Aug 16, 2015 • 4:34:49pm

re: #16 teleskiguy

I can’t wait to read Sump Pump Trump’s foreign policy plan.

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His foreign policy, or at least part of it, is essentially:
We will send troops to the Middle East to take their oil to pay for the last war.
See if you can spot the flaw in this plan.

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Varek Raith  Aug 16, 2015 • 4:35:26pm

So, fritos and cookies.
I can manage that.
:)

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Nyet  Aug 16, 2015 • 4:35:34pm

re: #320 EPR-radar

the Red States aren’t going to abandon the GOP just for having a proto-fascist candidate.

It would be a bonus.

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Skip Intro  Aug 16, 2015 • 4:36:58pm

re: #311 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸

in predicting what the breakdown will look like when all the dwarfiest dwarves are eliminated, you have to give trump carson’s and cruz’s votes, which already brings him to 49%. as for how to allocate the rest, this is less clear to me…

The two questions I have are

1) Will Bush’s billion dollar+ bankroll be enough for him to keep him afloat
and
2) How much are the Koch bros willing to spend on their property Scotty?

If it starts to cost Trump real money to stay in the lead, I think he’ll bail. That would probably help Walker the most, sad to say.

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Mattand  Aug 16, 2015 • 4:37:17pm

re: #324 Varek Raith

So, fritos and cookies.
I can manage that.
:)

I’m geniulely surprised there has never been a band called Soul Cookies.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Aug 16, 2015 • 4:39:18pm

re: #316 Nyet

McCain is a warmonger. Not something anyone in the world wants to see in a US President.

(And yes, the rest of the world does get to voice their opinion as long as the US is the “leader of the free world” (gah, how I hate this phrase) and is actively engaged everywhere.)

Back in the ’70s I read an article in…Scientific American I think…where they talked about The Soviet Union and its clients on the one hand, and WOCA on the other. “WOCA” standing for “World Outside the Centrally Planned Economies Area”. Anything to avoid the term “Free World”.

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Mattand  Aug 16, 2015 • 4:39:32pm

re: #326 Skip Intro

The two questions I have are

1) Will Bush’s billion dollar+ bankroll be enough for him to keep him afloat
and
2) How much are the Koch bros willing to spend on their property Scotty?

If it starts to cost Trump real money to stay in the lead, I think he’ll bail. That would probably help Walker the most, sad to say.

Honestly, with that match up, I gotta go with Walker. I can see Trump playing spoiler/wrecking ball, forcing everyone to blow their war chests fighting him.

The Kochs can go toe-to-toe with Trump. I don’t see Bush pulling together a coalition to keep up with that.

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Lidane  Aug 16, 2015 • 4:40:21pm

re: #317 Mattand

Your immortal soul. And a bag of Fritos Frito Pie.

FTFY

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#FergusonFireside  Aug 16, 2015 • 4:41:16pm

Thanks Jenner, now I’m watching the Daryl & Beth episodes.

*sniff*

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Decatur Deb  Aug 16, 2015 • 4:42:17pm

re: #326 Skip Intro

The two questions I have are

1) Will Bush’s billion dollar+ bankroll be enough for him to keep him afloat
and
2) How much are the Koch bros willing to spend on their property Scotty?

If it starts to cost Trump real money to stay in the lead, I think he’ll bail. That would probably help Walker the most, sad to say.

Yup. The money that runs the GOP is conservative—and not the batshit revolutionary conservatism of the Tea Party. They demand stability above all, and Trump’s WWE populism is going to trigger a massive Stop Trump effort during the primaries.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 16, 2015 • 4:44:03pm

re: #321 Mattand

Honestly, outside of the gray hair, Obama looks fairly good. My own hair went from brown to gray fairly quickly, and I have maybe one millionth of the stress he’s got.

Guess so. Just saying that I think McCain who had health problems before the presidency and was already old as is, I think the health concerns were legit and I think it’s a fallacy to say “McCain is alive so ergo Palin wouldn’t have mattered.” It is interesting though how stress effects people differently though. I hope for Obama’s sake that he lives a long and healthy post presidency life like Presidents Ford, Carter, Reagan, and Bush I have been able to do.

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Jenner7  Aug 16, 2015 • 4:44:11pm

re: #331 #FergusonFireside

I cried watching that one too.

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Dark_Falcon  Aug 16, 2015 • 4:45:43pm

re: #323 Ace-o-aces

His foreign policy, or at least part of it, is essentially:
We will send troops to the Middle East to take their oil to pay for the last war.
See if you can spot the flaw in this plan.

It’s Trump’s know-nothingism about fighting the so-called Islamic State that confirmed for me that Donald Trump wasn’t going to campaign on serious ideas. Proposing to bomb oil fields that Iraqis are fighting to secure even now was and remains a horribly stupid idea.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 16, 2015 • 4:46:23pm

re: #329 Mattand

Honestly, with that match up, I gotta go with Walker. I can see Trump playing spoiler/wrecking ball, forcing everyone to blow their war chests fighting him.

The Kochs can go toe-to-toe with Trump. I don’t see Bush pulling together a coalition to keep up with that.

I’ve been feeling Walker too. I dunno. I’ve been feeling that Bush just isn’t equipped for modern campaigns. Walker is someone who has been running in the age of Obama. And you make a good point about the Kochs. He’s their boy and they’re going to want to get a big return on him. Maybe Walker won’t be the nominee but I expect him to be heavily vetted for VP.

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Mattand  Aug 16, 2015 • 4:47:19pm

re: #335 Dark_Falcon

It’s Trump’s know-nothingism about fighting the so-called Islamic State that confirmed for me that Donald Trump wasn’t going to campaign on serious ideas. Proposing to bomb oil fields that Iraqis are fighting to secure even now was and remains a horribly stupid idea.

LOL, that fact he was Donald Trump confirmed that for me. I’m just surprised he’s actually following through this time.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 16, 2015 • 4:47:50pm

I still can’t see Trump being the nominee but he and his delegates are definitely oging to influence the conversation. Trump also has one thing going that the big challengers of the past like Santorum, Huckabee, and others have not had and that’s money. In a post Citizens United world, Donny’s going to go bank.

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Chan Kobun  Aug 16, 2015 • 4:47:53pm

re: #22 teleskiguy

Coultergeist has gone full Klanshit these days. (following is somewhat NSFW - text only)

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Dark_Falcon  Aug 16, 2015 • 4:48:01pm

re: #333 HappyWarrior

Guess so. Just saying that I think McCain who had health problems before the presidency and was already old as is, I think the health concerns were legit and I think it’s a fallacy to say “McCain is alive so ergo Palin wouldn’t have mattered.” It is interesting though how stress effects people differently though. I hope for Obama’s sake that he lives a long and healthy post presidency life like Presidents Ford, Carter, Reagan, and Bush I have been able to do.

Reagan’s life after the presidency was reasonably long, but not really healthy as he was diagnosed with Alzheimer’s disease in 1994.

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Skip Intro  Aug 16, 2015 • 4:48:14pm

Whoever has this account has Trump completely zeroed in.

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Nyet  Aug 16, 2015 • 4:48:26pm

Plus, even though that cannot be the main criterion: the first female President. That matters.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 16, 2015 • 4:49:03pm

re: #337 Mattand

LOL, that fact he was Donald Trump confirmed that for me. I’m just surprised he’s actually following through this time.

Same. I am amazed too how he’s actually followed through with this. I’m even more amazed with how well ti’s working so far for him.

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Higgs Boson's Mate  Aug 16, 2015 • 4:49:50pm

re: #335 Dark_Falcon

It’s Trump’s know-nothingism about fighting the so-called Islamic State that confirmed for me that Donald Trump wasn’t going to campaign on serious ideas. Proposing to bomb oil fields that Iraqis are fighting to secure even now was and remains a horribly stupid idea.

Betcha’ Trump knows that. Betcha’ he also knows that his target audience couldn’t find Iraq on a world globe if you stuck a railroad spike in Baghdad. “Bomb, ISIS,” that’s what got through.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 16, 2015 • 4:50:07pm

re: #340 Dark_Falcon

Reagan’s life after the presidency was reasonably long, but not really healthy as he was diagnosed with Alzheimer’s disease in 1994.

I understand that. I was including him with the other three who are and were long and healthy. When I was born, we had only two presidents, the first Adams and Hoover live to be 90. Since then we’ve had four presidents live to be 90: Ford, Reagan, Carter, and H.W Bush.

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Eric The Fruit Bat  Aug 16, 2015 • 4:50:56pm

re: #326 Skip Intro

re: #329 Mattand

Let’s not forget that Trump can also ask folks for money as well - for like “local operations”.

And they’ll be stupid enough to give it to them. Trump will not use his own funds as long as there are marks for the taking.

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Decatur Deb  Aug 16, 2015 • 4:51:16pm

re: #342 Nyet

Plus, even though that cannot be the main criterion: the first woman President. That matters.

That’s a nice bonus. The core is to nominate the safest non-Walker. Right now, that’s her.

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Nyet  Aug 16, 2015 • 4:51:31pm

(Minus: Bill. ;)

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Dark_Falcon  Aug 16, 2015 • 4:51:32pm

re: #341 Skip Intro

I don’t think Tim Tebow and Donald Trump would get along all that well. Tebow would be likely to call many of Trump’s past actions and current proposals cruel and UnChristian. Which they are.

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compound_Idaho  Aug 16, 2015 • 4:52:04pm

re: #213 Dark_Falcon

We need to greatly expand the H1B visa program.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Aug 16, 2015 • 4:52:14pm

re: #344 Higgs Boson’s Mate

Betcha’ Trump knows that. Betcha’ he also knows that his target audience couldn’t find Iraq on a world globe if you stuck a railroad spike in Baghdad. “Bomb, ISIS,” that’s what got through.

And Eye-rack and Eye-ran are the same thing, amirite? Never mind that Iran is the only government actually fighting ISIS with boots on the ground. Bomb ‘em!

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Lidane  Aug 16, 2015 • 4:52:56pm
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Nyet  Aug 16, 2015 • 4:53:13pm

re: #351 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

And Eye-rack and Eye-ran are the same thing, amirite? Never mind that Iran is the only government actually fighting ISIS with boots on the ground. Bomb ‘em!

HE GOT THE EYE, I GOT THE RACK HURR HURR HURR/Sarah

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HappyWarrior  Aug 16, 2015 • 4:53:23pm

I just wonder what kind pf person seriously hears this blowhard speak and thinks “Oh yes, that’s the kind of guy I want running my country.” It’s enough to make even someone more idealist and optimist awfully cynical. I mean I knew the GOP voters liked piles of shit but this guy. This guy calls an entire demographic group rapists. Suffers no blowback from the voters and actually goes up. Attacks a former nominee who is a decorated veteran while he himself got out of military service due to his privilege. makes incredibly sexist comments about a prominent woman journalist. Nope. The only thing that will do Trump in with the GOP electorate is if he’s perceived as not being right wing enough for them.

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Eric The Fruit Bat  Aug 16, 2015 • 4:54:56pm

re: #350 compound_Idaho

‘cuze me?

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Dark_Falcon  Aug 16, 2015 • 4:55:00pm

re: #350 compound_Idaho

We need to greatly expand the H1B visa program.

I find it curious that you think that. Why do you advocate such an expansion?

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Decatur Deb  Aug 16, 2015 • 4:55:15pm

Evening dogwalk. BBL

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HappyWarrior  Aug 16, 2015 • 4:55:28pm

re: #349 Dark_Falcon

I don’t think Tim Tebow and Donald Trump would get along all that well. Tebow would be likely to call many of Trump’s past actions and current proposals cruel and UnChristian. Which they are.

Shrug, never confuse the public persona with what the guy believes in the private thing. I always respected Tony Dungy and then I found out he was a world class homophobe. Tebow behind his all-American boy smile could be a total dick to immigrants in his beliefs just like Donald is. I know I was astounded at how ignorant his father was about the people of the Phillipines. I am not attacking Tebow by the way here, I am just saying the way he presents himself isn’t the same as his personal philosophy.

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Mattand  Aug 16, 2015 • 4:55:37pm

re: #336 HappyWarrior

I’ve been feeling Walker too. I dunno. I’ve been feeling that Bush just isn’t equipped for modern campaigns. Walker is someone who has been running in the age of Obama. And you make a good point about the Kochs. He’s their boy and they’re going to want to get a big return on him. Maybe Walker won’t be the nominee but I expect him to be heavily vetted for VP.

I’m about halfway through the podcast of Maddow’s Friday show, but she’s doing some brief thumbnails of all the current GOP candidates. She covered both Jeb! and Walker.

1) She ran a piece of Jeb! stumping for Bush Sr. in 1980 in Puerto Rico, and apparently the video literally shows his knees shaking.

Now, that’s understandable for a 27 year old whose never campaigned before. But it doesn’t appear that in 35 years since, he’s gotten any better. The fact that he keeps almost willingly walking into the Iraq War buzzsaw proves that.

It doesn’t shout “Fast-on-his-feet leader with nerves of steel”.

2) Walker, not a governor but WI assemblyman or something similar, kept sending WI prisoners to a TX jail after evidence came to light that the jail was abusing them.

Coupled with his 12 for 13 record in winning elections, and his willingness to fuck over working people? He’s a Republican’s wet dream. He’s the walking definition of “We weren’t conservative enough in the last election.”

With the Kochs in his corner and their ability to astroturf like nobody’s business, I think he’ll be the guy once Trump gets bored/angry.

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Higgs Boson's Mate  Aug 16, 2015 • 4:56:04pm

re: #354 HappyWarrior

“The only thing that will do Trump in with the GOP electorate is if he’s perceived as not being right wing enough for them.”

There are numbers of GOP Reps whose only possible challenge is from the right. Is it any wonder that they all sound crazy?

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Eric The Fruit Bat  Aug 16, 2015 • 4:56:13pm

re: #353 Nyet

I wouldn’t fuck Caribou Barbie with (insert your worst enemy’s) dick.

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Mattand  Aug 16, 2015 • 4:56:25pm

re: #339 Chan Kobun

Coultergeist has gone full Klanshit these days. (following is somewhat NSFW - text only)

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I’ll take your word for it. I had a shitty enough week as it was. The last thing I need is a dose of Coulter.

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Chan Kobun  Aug 16, 2015 • 4:56:55pm

re: #358 HappyWarrior

Tebow seems like the type to not use his brain, just regurgitate whatever garbage he hears people say. He’s probably rotten all the way down.

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Mattand  Aug 16, 2015 • 4:56:55pm

re: #361 Eric The Fruit Bat

Dude. That was uncool. Seriously.

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Eric The Fruit Bat  Aug 16, 2015 • 4:57:30pm

re: #356 Dark_Falcon

This has to be joke or a troll.

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Chan Kobun  Aug 16, 2015 • 4:57:43pm

re: #362 Mattand

Oh, the hidden part is all mine. The Coulter part was in the comment I was replying to.

Though you might not want to read it anyhow, in that case.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 16, 2015 • 4:57:50pm

re: #359 Mattand

I’m about halfway through the podcast of Maddow’s Friday show, but she’s doing some brief thumbnails of all the current GOP candidates. She covered both Jeb! and Walker.

1) She ran a piece of Jeb! stumping for Bush Sr. in 1980 in Puerto Rico, and apparently the video literally shows his knees shaking.

Now, that’s understandable for a 27 year old whose never campaigned before. But it doesn’t appear that in 35 years since, he’s gotten any better. The fact that he keeps almost willingly walking into the Iraq War buzzsaw proves that.

It doesn’t shout “Fast-on-his-feet leader with nerves of steel”.

2) Walker, not a governor but WI assemblyman or something similar, kept sending WI prisoners to a TX jail after evidence came to light that the jail was abusing them.

Coupled with his 12 for 13 record in winning elections, and his willingness to fuck over working people? He’s a Republican’s wet dream. He’s the walking definition of “We weren’t conservative enough in the last election.”

With the Kochs in his corner and their ability to astroturf like nobody’s business, I think he’ll be the guy once Trump gets bored/angry.

What i’ve been thinking is Walker’s going to sell himself big time as a guy who has won in a state/region that is favorable ot the Dems. But you’re right. The guy loves fucking over working people while pretending he’s on their side. I am just not impressed with Jeb as a candidate. I know alot of people think his nomination is inevitable but Walker’s my pick.

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Eric The Fruit Bat  Aug 16, 2015 • 4:59:34pm

re: #364 Mattand

Updated.

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#FergusonFireside  Aug 16, 2015 • 4:59:54pm

re: #354 HappyWarrior

I just wonder what kind pf person seriously hears this blowhard speak and thinks “Oh yes, that’s the kind of guy I want running my country.” It’s enough to make even someone more idealist and optimist awfully cynical. I mean I knew the GOP voters liked piles of shit but this guy. This guy calls an entire demographic group rapists. Suffers no blowback from the voters and actually goes up. Attacks a former nominee who is a decorated veteran while he himself got out of military service due to his privilege. makes incredibly sexist comments about a prominent woman journalist. Nope. The only thing that will do Trump in with the GOP electorate is if he’s perceived as not being right wing enough for them.

I haven’t called my Fox News watching Dad, because I’m really afraid he likes Trump & I had hoped I wouldn’t be messing with our relationship so soon before 2016.

I have to call him this week though.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 16, 2015 • 5:00:21pm

re: #363 Chan Kobun

Tebow seems like the type to not use his brain, just regurgitate whatever garbage he hears people say. He’s probably rotten all the way down.

I’d see him as a Huckabee guy. I don’t hate the guy really but I think DF is assuming good qualities on to Tebow’s philosophy which I understand since the guy’s a likable enough dude but I wouldn’t be shocked given as I said how ignorant the guy’s own father is about the Phillipines. Bob Tebow was quoted in a SI cover story on Tim that about 70% or so of the people in the Pines don’t know Jesus Christ. An astoundingly ignorant statement given that country is predominately Catholic and even to the Muslims there, Christ is still known since Christ is also a prophet in Islam.

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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Aug 16, 2015 • 5:00:28pm

re: #332 Decatur Deb

Yup. The money that runs the GOP is conservative—and not the batshit revolutionary conservatism of the Tea Party. They demand stability above all, and Trump’s WWE populism is going to trigger a massive Stop Trump effort during the primaries.

not to mention that there is a lot of corporate big business money that wants to keep the illegal worker population in the country permanently

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HappyWarrior  Aug 16, 2015 • 5:01:52pm

re: #369 #FergusonFireside

I haven’t called my Fox News watching Dad, because I’m really afraid he likes Trump & I had hoped I wouldn’t be messing with our relationship so soon before 2016.

I have to call him this week though.

If I were you, I’d try to avoid talking politics with him. I had a really hard time discussing the 2008 election with my grandfather because he couldn’t stand Obama and I really think ti was racially motivated. I loved the man dearly and he was very sick during this time but for a lifelong Democrat and fellow opponent of the Iraq War to suddenly start supporting McCain. It really made me wonder. And no I am not saying that all opponents of Obama are racist but I knew my grandfather and his prejudices.

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Charles Johnson  Aug 16, 2015 • 5:01:57pm
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EPR-radar  Aug 16, 2015 • 5:02:37pm

re: #367 HappyWarrior

What i’ve been thinking is Walker’s going to sell himself big time as a guy who has won in a state/region that is favorable ot the Dems. But you’re right. The guy loves fucking over working people while pretending he’s on their side. I am just not impressed with Jeb as a candidate. I know alot of people think his nomination is inevitable but Walker’s my pick.

I agree that Walker is the most dangerous establishment-type in the GOP primary race. If it come down to Trump vs. the Koch brothers, I’ll root for mutual assured financial destruction.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 16, 2015 • 5:02:37pm

re: #373 Charles Johnson

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And they accuse the media of slobbering over Obama.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 16, 2015 • 5:03:22pm

re: #374 EPR-radar

I agree that Walker is the most dangerous establishment-type in the GOP primary race. If it come down to Trump vs. the Koch brothers, I’ll root for mutual assured financial destruction.

I’ll root for whoever the Dem nominee is to destroy both. Both the Kochs plutocratic brand and Trump’s populist demagoguery would be bad for America.

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Higgs Boson's Mate  Aug 16, 2015 • 5:06:52pm

re: #373 Charles Johnson

How could anyone ever suspect that Trump is paying Breitbart for this slobbery sycophantic coverage?

I’d go as far as to say that they’re playing the Slobber Blues on Trump’s Boneaphone.

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Charles Johnson  Aug 16, 2015 • 5:07:47pm
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compound_Idaho  Aug 16, 2015 • 5:08:14pm

re: #356 Dark_Falcon

Just trolling a bit. Dark skinned farm workers don’t displace workers and lower wages, but foreign tech workers do.

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William Lewis  Aug 16, 2015 • 5:09:57pm

re: #340 Dark_Falcon

And arguably was suffering from it while in office. The “begin bombing” incident is an almost textbook illustration of the pre-dementia behavioral issues in an Alzheimer’s patient. Frankly the 25th Amendment should have been invoked but the understanding of the early onset of the disease was not as advanced as today.

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#FergusonFireside  Aug 16, 2015 • 5:10:07pm

So insanely hot outside all day, so what do I cook for dinner? Jerk chicken & yellow rice. Let’s fight fire with fire.

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Eric The Fruit Bat  Aug 16, 2015 • 5:11:07pm

re: #370 HappyWarrior

Remember: to evangelicals/dispensationalists/dominionists, Catholics aren’t Christians.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Aug 16, 2015 • 5:11:26pm

re: #372 HappyWarrior

If I were you, I’d try to avoid talking politics with him. I had a really hard time discussing the 2008 election with my grandfather because he couldn’t stand Obama and I really think ti was racially motivated. I loved the man dearly and he was very sick during this time but for a lifelong Democrat and fellow opponent of the Iraq War to suddenly start supporting McCain. It really made me wonder. And no I am not saying that all opponents of Obama are racist but I knew my grandfather and his prejudices.

I’m sure it was, consciously or unconsciously, racially motivated. But as I’ve said before, the Republicans have baked that advantage into their expectations and their “unskewing” process. They’re counting on it. When the 2016 Dem nominee isn’t black, they’re going to be blindsided.

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Higgs Boson's Mate  Aug 16, 2015 • 5:12:02pm

The good news: Our daytime high is predicted to be ten degrees lower tomorrow.
The bad news: That means it will be 94°.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 16, 2015 • 5:12:33pm

re: #382 Eric The Fruit Bat

Remember: to evangelicals/dispensationalists/dominionists, Catholics aren’t Christians.

Oh of course and I think that furthers my point about how Tebow may be Mr. Nice on camera but he could be a total jerk to people he feels are heathens like Catholics, Muslims, or non-believers. Maybe that’s not fair to him but as I said, Dungy was someone I thought was a legitimately good guy and then I saw him smearing Michael Sam while bending over backwards to stand up for guys who have actually done bad things.

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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Aug 16, 2015 • 5:13:36pm

i’ll venture a prediction:

trump stays in and takes lets say half the primary vote. eventually jeb accumulates delegates from the normal vote - because if for no other reason than he’s supposed to and it will be made to happen

then at the convention the super delegates kick in & bush/walker is nominated

then the trumpsters scream bloody murder we wuz robbed

it would be a nice touch if they then stage a giant walkout on national tee vee

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EPR-radar  Aug 16, 2015 • 5:15:29pm

re: #386 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸

i’ll venture a prediction:

trump stays in and takes lets say half the primary vote. eventually jeb accumulates delegates from the normal vote - because if for no other reason than he’s supposed to and it will be made to happen

then at the convention the super delegates kick in & bush/walker is nominated

then the trumpsters scream bloody murder we wuz robbed

it would be a nice touch if they then stage a giant walkout on national tee vee

It would be even better if this were followed by a third party run by Trump.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 16, 2015 • 5:16:32pm

re: #383 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

I’m sure it was, consciously or unconsciously, racially motivated. But as I’ve said before, the Republicans have baked that advantage into their expectations and their “unskewing” process. They’re counting on it. When the 2016 Dem nominee isn’t black, they’re going to be blindsided.

I think you’re right. I really hate ascribing race to it but I really thought it was odd. Anyhow, I do think the race thing will for better or for worse allow Hillary or whoever replaces Obama to pick up where he struggled. Even as a primary candidate, Hillary always did much better than Obama with white working class voters. Now whether those same voters will support her this time or against a Republican especially one like Trump who plays the populist card I do not know. Trump’s the last candidate that a blue collar type should be supporting over a Democrat. The dickhead even told autoworkers recently that they make too much money.

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The Vicious Babushka  Aug 16, 2015 • 5:17:23pm

re: #386 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸

i’ll venture a prediction:

trump stays in and takes lets say half the primary vote. eventually jeb accumulates delegates from the normal vote - because if for no other reason than he’s supposed to and it will be made to happen

then at the convention the super delegates kick in & bush/walker is nominated

then the trumpsters scream bloody murder we wuz robbed

it would be a nice touch if they then stage a giant walkout on national tee vee

Trump runs as 3rd party.

DEMOCRATS WIN!!!

8 years of conspiracy theories that Hillary put Trump up to being a spoiler.

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Reality Based Steve  Aug 16, 2015 • 5:18:35pm

re: #389 The Vicious Babushka

Trump runs as 3rd party.

DEMOCRATS WIN!!!

8 years of conspiracy theories that Hillary put Trump up to being a spoiler.

Show me the proof that she didn’t put him up as a spoiler. What did they talk about at his wedding? ///

RBS

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jaunte  Aug 16, 2015 • 5:18:43pm

re: #387 EPR-radar

It would be even better if this were followed by a third party run by Trump.

Whatever it takes to keep the next four retiring Supremes from being appointed by conservative billionaires.

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Eric The Fruit Bat  Aug 16, 2015 • 5:19:08pm

Yesterday Sam announced he was stepping away from football (don’t know if its temporary or permanent) and gave thanks to the Alouettes organization to deal with his mental health.

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Eventual Carrion  Aug 16, 2015 • 5:19:29pm

re: #280 SteveMcGaziBolaGate

Donald Trump is the epitome of crapitalism in America.

Yep. Proves in a capitalistic (as well as feudal and dictatorship) system, the surest way to the top is to inherit it. Work hard, nose to the grindstone, all that bullshit, only sure way is to have wealthy parents that fuck and produce you.

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Joe Bacon  Aug 16, 2015 • 5:20:10pm

re: #341 Skip Intro

Whoever has this account has Trump completely zeroed in.

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And didn’t Pat Robertson chime in with that same line of BS?

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HappyWarrior  Aug 16, 2015 • 5:20:15pm

re: #391 jaunte

Whatever it takes to keep the next four retiring Supremes from being appointed by conservative billionaires.

Hillary would be worth for the Supreme Court picks alone. I don’t trust any Republican appointing judges. All they want are Scalia clones. Uh no thanks. No more judges that claim to be “strict constructionists” but are actually partisan assholes who belittle anyone who doesn’t think they have an Ouija board communication system with the founding fathers.

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Ace-o-aces  Aug 16, 2015 • 5:21:29pm

re: #378 Charles Johnson

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HappyWarrior  Aug 16, 2015 • 5:22:15pm

re: #392 Eric The Fruit Bat

Yesterday Sam announced he was stepping away from football (don’t know if its temporary or permanent) and gave thanks to the Alouettes organization to deal with his mental health.

First openly gay baseball player (a minor leaguer in Milwaukee’s system) came out today. Read the comments which I really shouldn’t have and it was the usual “Who cares?” People just don’t get it. And being openly gay is different than being “openly straight” in something like sports. By being openly gay in that realm, you are saying to a kid out there who may love the game but is afraid that his sexuality may cause him to get bullied by teammates and other players that there’s a role model for you. That’s the courage of Michael Sam and now Dave Denson.

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Ace-o-aces  Aug 16, 2015 • 5:24:59pm
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HappyWarrior  Aug 16, 2015 • 5:25:52pm

re: #398 Ace-o-aces

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“But Batman’s cool, mister, you sound like my grandpa when he has the TV on.”

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jaunte  Aug 16, 2015 • 5:27:20pm

“Trump’s “plan” is an assault on not merely the illegal immigrants who have violated American laws, but those who have played by the existing rules to come to the United States. The proposal amounts to a declaration of war on America’s immigrant community, an attack on the foundational nature of America’s character as a melting pot for all the peoples of the world, and the inception of a police state that is incompatible with a free republican democracy.”

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#FergusonFireside  Aug 16, 2015 • 5:28:00pm

re: #392 Eric The Fruit Bat

Yesterday Sam announced he was stepping away from football (don’t know if its temporary or permanent) and gave thanks to the Alouettes organization to deal with his mental health.

I can’t imagine the pressure he’s under.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Aug 16, 2015 • 5:28:01pm

re: #386 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸

i’ll venture a prediction:

trump stays in and takes lets say half the primary vote. eventually jeb accumulates delegates from the normal vote - because if for no other reason than he’s supposed to and it will be made to happen

then at the convention the super delegates kick in & bush/walker is nominated

then the trumpsters scream bloody murder we wuz robbed

it would be a nice touch if they then stage a giant walkout on national tee vee

What would be even better would be a 1968-Democratic-Convention-type-of-thing with the Trumpistas being clubbed in the streets like baby seals by the cops. Like that would ever happen, no matter how violent they get.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 16, 2015 • 5:29:20pm

I can;t wait to see the platform. David Barton got most of what he wanted last time.

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jaunte  Aug 16, 2015 • 5:29:58pm

We seem to be in a post-convention phase of politics. Now it’s just oligarchs in quiet, smoke- money-filled rooms.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Aug 16, 2015 • 5:33:27pm

re: #398 Ace-o-aces

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Why did I think of The Ambiguously Gay Duo?

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stpaulbear  Aug 16, 2015 • 5:33:58pm

re: #398 Ace-o-aces

If Trump is the republican candidate for pres, he’s going to think he can hire people to give out ‘Vote for Trump’ cookies to people lined up on election day.

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Mattand  Aug 16, 2015 • 5:35:12pm

re: #368 Eric The Fruit Bat

Updated.

I’m sure the women who post here are just beside themselves with laughter.

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EPR-radar  Aug 16, 2015 • 5:35:27pm

re: #403 HappyWarrior

I can;t wait to see the platform. David Barton got most of what he wanted last time.

Nut jobs like David Barton can always crank it up to 11. I’m sure he already has a list of 500+ ways the 2012 GOP platform could be made ‘more conservative’, and he’ll probably get his way on 495+ of these.

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makeitstop  Aug 16, 2015 • 5:35:48pm

re: #326 Skip Intro

The two questions I have are

1) Will Bush’s billion dollar+ bankroll be enough for him to keep him afloat
and
2) How much are the Koch bros willing to spend on their property Scotty?

If it starts to cost Trump real money to stay in the lead, I think he’ll bail. That would probably help Walker the most, sad to say.

Didn’t he announce that he’d be willing to spend a billion dollars to get elected?

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b_sharp  Aug 16, 2015 • 5:38:13pm

re: #401 #FergusonFireside

I can’t imagine the pressure he’s under.

I was hoping the CFL wouldn’t put him under any pressure. I’m sad to see him go. He made an impact in his first game.

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Higgs Boson's Mate  Aug 16, 2015 • 5:40:04pm

re: #409 makeitstop

A recent article on one of the biz mag sites had some finance types estimating Trump’s assets at around $9 billion. How liquid those assets might be and how much Trump might be willing to spend are open questions.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 16, 2015 • 5:40:38pm

re: #408 EPR-radar

Nut jobs like David Barton can always crank it up to 11. I’m sure he already has a list of 500+ ways the 2012 GOP platform could be made ‘more conservative’, and he’ll probably get his way on 495+ of these.

I am sure of it.

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Dark_Falcon  Aug 16, 2015 • 5:42:24pm

re: #385 HappyWarrior

Oh of course and I think that furthers my point about how Tebow may be Mr. Nice on camera but he could be a total jerk to people he feels are heathens like Catholics, Muslims, or non-believers. Maybe that’s not fair to him but as I said, Dungy was someone I thought was a legitimately good guy and then I saw him smearing Michael Sam while bending over backwards to stand up for guys who have actually done bad things.

Maybe, and if further evidence of how Tim Tebow thinks comes out then I will modify my judgement accordingly. But in drawing a comparison between him and Trump I used what I know about the two men, not what might be true. Not trying to be hostile.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 16, 2015 • 5:44:24pm

re: #413 Dark_Falcon

Maybe, and if further evidence of how Tim Tebow thinks comes out then I will modify my judgement accordingly. But in drawing a comparison between him and Trump I used what I know about the two men, not what might be true. Not trying to be hostile.

Fair enough. And i know you’re not trying to be hostile. I’ve just seen far too many evangelical Christians like Tebow who sound like nice enough guys and then they’re telling you’re hell bound because of your theocratic or political belief set. That said, I do think a lot of the hate Tebow gets is undeserved.

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#FergusonFireside  Aug 16, 2015 • 5:44:31pm

re: #410 b_sharp

I was hoping the CFL wouldn’t put him under any pressure. I’m sad to see him go. He made an impact in his first game.

He was all SEC as a college player. He was definitely good.

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Varek Raith  Aug 16, 2015 • 5:46:17pm

re: #414 HappyWarrior

Fair enough. And i know you’re not trying to be hostile. I’ve just seen far too many evangelical Christians like Tebow who sound like nice enough guys and then they’re telling you’re hell bound because of your theocratic or political belief set.

I hear this a lot.
Then they wonder why I told them to piss off.

“Jeez, I only said you were going to suffer for all etenity, no need to be hostile!”
e_e

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HappyWarrior  Aug 16, 2015 • 5:46:21pm

re: #415 #FergusonFireside

He was all SEC as a college player. He was definitely good.

Quite true but there have been Heisman winners who have busted. The big problem I heard with Sam is they weren’t really sure if he was a 3-4 OLB or 4-3 end. I wouldn’t have complained if my Steelers took a chance on him being the former. I do hope he finds happiness in whatever he decides to do with his life. He seems like a good dude.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 16, 2015 • 5:47:06pm

re: #416 Varek Raith

I hear this a lot.
Then they wonder why I told them to piss off.

“Jeez, I only said you were going to suffer for all etenity, no need to be hostile!”
e_e

Which is why I think Homer Simpson wasn’t really being that big of a jerk to Flanders. Homer was just more open about being a bit of a jerk.

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palomino  Aug 16, 2015 • 5:58:11pm

re: #349 Dark_Falcon

I don’t think Tim Tebow and Donald Trump would get along all that well. Tebow would be likely to call many of Trump’s past actions and current proposals cruel and UnChristian. Which they are.

Maybe they wouldn’t get along. But they’ve got one big thing in common—-an insatiable need for publicity.

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makeitstop  Aug 16, 2015 • 5:59:05pm

re: #411 Higgs Boson’s Mate

A recent article on one of the biz mag sites had some finance types estimating Trump’s assets at around $9 billion. How liquid those assets might be and how much Trump might be willing to spend are open questions.

NY Daily News quotes him as saying he’d spend $600 million.

But CBS News quotes him as saying he’d spend a billion if he had to.

When a reporter asked Trump, just outside the Iowa State Fair grounds on Saturday, if he would throw a billion of his own money into the campaign, he answered without hesitation.

“I would do that, yeah,” Trump responded. “If I had to.”

And in answer to a question about his campaign’s budget, Trump said that it was “irrelevant.”

“You saw I make $400 million a year,” Trump replied, “so what difference does it make?”

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Khal Wimpo  Aug 16, 2015 • 6:53:21pm

re: #302 Varek Raith

Voted for Palin, eh? Not sure if we should resort to the Japanese Sarariman ritual shaming, wherein you’re forced to wear a vest of “badges of shame” detailing all the FAIL in voting for Palin, and then be forced to sing a Song Of Atonement at the top of your lungs… Video

…but maybe.

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Khal Wimpo  Aug 16, 2015 • 7:04:04pm

re: #405 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

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Why did I think of The Ambiguously Gay Duo?

So. You like … uh … gladiator movies?

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Varek Raith  Aug 16, 2015 • 7:18:37pm

re: #421 Khal Wimpo

Voted for Palin, eh? Not sure if we should resort to the Japanese Sarariman ritual shaming, wherein you’re forced to wear a vest of “badges of shame” detailing all the FAIL in voting for Palin, and then be forced to sing a Song Of Atonement at the top of your lungs… [Embedded content]

…but maybe.

I blame youth.
Yeah, that’s it.
<.<

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funky chicken  Aug 17, 2015 • 8:29:41am

re: #12 Snarknado!

In Georgia, crops are rotting in the fields (as noted downstairs) because of policies that chased out undocumented workers — now he’s looking for a nationwide famine?

The corporate farmers would rather let the food rot than pay a living wage. Perhaps somebody in the GOP should address that issue?

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Agnostick  Aug 17, 2015 • 8:33:16am

Barbara Jordan, and the commission she chaired, were right. We need an effective, *consistently-enforced* policy on immigration—both legal immigration, and illegal immigration.

For those of you who think such things matter… please bear in mind that this comes from a mobility-challenged Black female member of the Democratic party.

vdare.com

Links to three transcripts of Barbara Jordan’s testimony:

February 24, 1995:
utexas.edu

March 29, 1995:
utexas.edu

December 13, 1995
utexas.edu

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Agnostick  Aug 17, 2015 • 8:40:54am

The most glaring omission from Trump’s immigration plan/policy… is the blind eye he turns towards habitual abusers of undocumented workers. Pilgrim’s Pride is but one glaring example:

forbes.com

I believe we also need to ratchet down this runaway scam of the “independent contractor”…

It works like this: Pretend you’re an interior contractor, drop by the Home Depot parking lot and pick up four Hispanic guys to install Sheetrock for $8 an hour.

By law, these men are your employees, even if just for the day. But in Texas, as in many other states, it’s popular to pretend they’re each independent contractors — business owners. Which means you are not paying for their labor but for their business services.

With this arrangement, the contractor — you — don’t have to pay Social Security taxes or payroll taxes or workers’ compensation or overtime. Instead, you pretend the undocumented Hispanic worker you’ve just paid in cash is going to pay all those state and federal taxes out of his $8 an hour himself.

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Agnostick  Aug 17, 2015 • 8:42:41am

re: #145 Amory Blaine

YES!!! This is a glaring omission of the “Trump Plan.”

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funky chicken  Aug 17, 2015 • 8:46:27am

re: #226 goddamnedfrank

So Sanders is retracting a out a well thought out apology, and blaming a staffer for sending it out in the first place. Feel the Bern indeed.

His staffer apologized for not reaching out to BLM sooner. Sanders said he had already met with them so the letter/statement contained an error. Why is this such a big deal?

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taserian  Aug 17, 2015 • 9:51:54am

re: #420 makeitstop

Has anyone told him that if he is elected to President, he’ll have to put his assets into a blind trust?

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