Video: John Oliver Dissects America’s Deranged Televangelism Industry

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This is just brilliant, as John Oliver takes apart the televangelism industry and the conscienceless hucksters who shamelessly bilk gullible people out of their life savings.

U.S. tax law allows television preachers to get away with almost anything. We know this from personal experience.

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Kid A  Aug 17, 2015 • 5:11:00pm
This is just brilliant, as John Oliver takes apart the televangelism industry and the conscienceless hucksters who shamelessly bilk gullible people out of their life savings.

Conscienceless hucksters is redundant.

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Tigger2  Aug 17, 2015 • 5:11:14pm

Religion turned into a business and forgot about their true teachings when they started the big TV churches

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HappyWarrior  Aug 17, 2015 • 5:17:10pm

re: #2 Tigger2

Religion turned into a business and forgot about their true teachings when they started the big TV churches

Indeed, it’s become a business just like anything else.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 17, 2015 • 5:17:42pm

good grief, they happen so often we don’t even hear about them anymore…

Explosion at chemical plant in Texas

CONROE, Tx. (CBS) - Explosions, and a fire, rocked neighbors houses near a DrillChem plant in Conroe, Texas Friday, sending up flames and plumes of smoke that could be seen for miles. Residents within a two-mile radius were ordered to shelter in place as firefighters worked to figure out exactly what happened.

“[It was a] small explosion, and then thirty seconds later, it was huge. I mean black smoke just came like crazy,” one witness said.

snip

“They tell us that the last employee left for the day at 4 P.M. The gates and doors were locked when we arrived,” a firefighter spokesperson said.

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Nyet  Aug 17, 2015 • 5:23:32pm

Tax exemption of religion should be abolished, thatisall.

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Nyet  Aug 17, 2015 • 5:27:05pm

Here’s James Randi exposing Peter Popoff decades ago:

…

Here’s Peter Popoff still prospering:

peterpopoff. org/

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 17, 2015 • 5:29:59pm

oops

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Charles Johnson  Aug 17, 2015 • 5:33:30pm

re: #2 Tigger2

Religion turned into a business and forgot about their true teachings when they started the big TV churches

IMHO, religion has always been a business.

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Charles Johnson  Aug 17, 2015 • 5:33:37pm
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#FergusonFireside  Aug 17, 2015 • 5:33:38pm

such.a.pig

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Nyet  Aug 17, 2015 • 5:37:50pm

re: #8 Charles Johnson

IMHO, religion has always been a business.

And a means of control.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 17, 2015 • 5:38:14pm

re: #10 #FergusonFireside

such.a.pig

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Well coming from Donald who’s always been a 0 in many ways. Anyhow great response by Heidi. She’s always seemed like she had a good head on her shoulders.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 17, 2015 • 5:38:50pm

re: #8 Charles Johnson

IMHO, religion has always been a business.

You are right. I think with the advent of first radio, then TV, and now the internet, it’s just really gotten out of control.

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ObserverArt  Aug 17, 2015 • 5:38:58pm

That Oliver piece was pretty good. I wonder how many calls they got and how much money they could have taken in?

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Nyet  Aug 17, 2015 • 5:40:40pm
In 1985 Popoff began soliciting donations for a program to provide bibles to citizens of the Soviet Union by attaching them to helium-filled balloons and floating them into the country.[11] When skeptics asked him to prove that the money he had collected had in fact been spent on bibles and balloons, Popoff staged a burglary at his own headquarters. On subsequent broadcasts he tearfully begged for additional donations to help repair the damage.[12]
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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Aug 17, 2015 • 5:42:14pm

eventual fate of all who vote trump or walker into the presidency:

“but i’m a law abiding citizen!! there must be some mistake!!”

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Tigger2  Aug 17, 2015 • 5:44:08pm

re: #8 Charles Johnson

IMHO, religion has always been a business.

To an extent I have to agree, but a lot of years back most of the money they made when for good things not like today when the money on the most part goes into a frauds pocket.

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ObserverArt  Aug 17, 2015 • 5:44:55pm

re: #16 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸

eventual fate of all who vote trump or walker into the presidency:

“but i’m a law abiding citizen!! there must be some mistake!!”

“Then you must show us your papers.”

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No Country For Old Haters  Aug 17, 2015 • 5:46:41pm

re: #17 Tigger2

To an extent I have to agree, but a lot of years back most of the money they made when for good things not like today when the money on the most part goes into a frauds pocket.

Like all the gold and treasures at the Vatican?

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jaunte  Aug 17, 2015 • 5:46:55pm

re: #10 #FergusonFireside

He’s in no position to criticize anyone’s looks.

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Nyet  Aug 17, 2015 • 5:47:57pm
Tilton asserted that the prayer requests found in garbage bags shown on the Primetime Live investigation were stolen from the ministry and placed in the dumpster for a sensational camera shot, and that he prayed over every prayer request received, to the point that he “laid on top of those prayer requests so much that ‘the chemicals actually got into my bloodstream, and… I had two small strokes in my brain.”[14] Tilton remained defiant on claims regarding his use of donations to his ministry to fund various purchases, asking, “Ain’t I allowed to have nothing?” with regards to his ownership of multiple multimillion-dollar estates. Tilton also claimed that he needed plastic surgery to repair capillary damage to his lower eyelids from ink that seeped into his skin from the prayer requests.[15]
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Tigger2  Aug 17, 2015 • 5:49:09pm

re: #19 No Country For Old Haters

Like all the gold and treasures at the Vatican?

Hell it takes money to run a city-state country. lol

But I was talking about local christian churches in America before the TV churches and their influence on religion they have had.

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ObserverArt  Aug 17, 2015 • 5:49:15pm

re: #21 Nyet

Jesus!

/

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HappyWarrior  Aug 17, 2015 • 5:49:27pm

re: #20 jaunte

He’s in no position to criticize anyone’s looks.

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A fond right wing tradition since Rush Limbaugh called a 13 year old Chelsea Clinton a dog.

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Decatur Deb  Aug 17, 2015 • 5:50:23pm

re: #7 Backwoods_Sleuth

oops

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Told ya it was the Cheetos.

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#FergusonFireside  Aug 17, 2015 • 6:01:34pm

re: #20 jaunte

He’s in no position to criticize anyone’s looks.

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What the hell is that…

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freetoken  Aug 17, 2015 • 6:02:08pm

re: #2 Tigger2

Religion turned into a business and forgot about their true teachings when they started the big TV churches

Religion is one of humanity’s inventions, like language and law.

It was created to fill needs, usually having to do with the effects of death.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Aug 17, 2015 • 6:02:57pm

re: #26 #FergusonFireside

What the hell is that…

Mutated Fish with a bad hairpiece?

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Timothy Watson  Aug 17, 2015 • 6:03:33pm

re: #10 #FergusonFireside

such.a.pig

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So…not only is Trump an asshole, he’s either blind or insane.

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Decatur Deb  Aug 17, 2015 • 6:04:15pm

re: #27 freetoken

Religion is one of humanity’s inventions, like language and law.

It was created to fill needs, usually having to do with the effects of death.

Once we found we could know things, we became very uncomfortable not knowing things.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Aug 17, 2015 • 6:06:59pm

re: #29 Timothy Watson

So…not only is Trump an asshole, he’s either blind or insane.

I’ll take both for $300 Alex!

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Charles Johnson  Aug 17, 2015 • 6:08:18pm

re: #27 freetoken

Religion is one of humanity’s inventions, like language and law.

It was created to fill needs, usually having to do with the effects of death.

And the smarter humans quickly realized they could use this invention to manipulate the not-so-smart humans and profit from it. Thus it was, thus shall it ever be.

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Belafon  Aug 17, 2015 • 6:09:01pm

re: #10 #FergusonFireside

If she’d done 9.99 with a bar over the last 9, it would have also been a great math joke.

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Eric The Fruit Bat  Aug 17, 2015 • 6:09:12pm

re: #6 Nyet

Carson showed James Randi’s clip with Popoff eons ago. It also helped that Carson himself was a magician and prevented Uri Geller from throwing his scam into the mainstream.

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teleskiguy  Aug 17, 2015 • 6:10:59pm

Sump Pump Trump going for the lowest common denominator.

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freetoken  Aug 17, 2015 • 6:12:45pm

re: #32 Charles Johnson

And the smarter humans quickly realized they could use this invention to manipulate the not-so-smart humans and profit from it.

Sort of like television and radio.

Rarely do I turn on the radio, but when I do am struck at the hateful idiocy that dominates the AM band. I now realize there is an entire subculture of Americans who have raised themselves on this hate radio. Thus I find it not surprising at all that Trump leads the GOP pack - he just sounds like all those hate-radio hosts.

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SteveMcGaziBolaGate  Aug 17, 2015 • 6:13:54pm

re: #35 teleskiguy

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Sump Pump Trump going for the lowest common denominator.

You sure you really want to go there Donny boy?

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Tigger2  Aug 17, 2015 • 6:14:01pm

re: #36 freetoken

Sort of like television and radio.

Rarely do I turn on the radio, but when I do am struck at the hateful idiocy that dominates the AM band. I now realize there is an entire subculture of Americans who have raised themselves on this hate radio. Thus I find it not surprising at all that Trump leads the GOP pack - he just sounds like all those hate-radio hosts.

I haven’t listened to AM since FM came out.

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Charles Johnson  Aug 17, 2015 • 6:16:46pm

Yes, Donald Trump is now using ISIS snuff videos to campaign for president.

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No Country For Old Haters  Aug 17, 2015 • 6:17:22pm

re: #38 Tigger2

I haven’t listened to AM since FM came out.

We left AM to the crazies decades ago, and it’s gotten weirder and angrier ever since.

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Tigger2  Aug 17, 2015 • 6:17:32pm

re: #39 Charles Johnson

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Yes, Donald Trump is now using ISIS snuff videos to campaign for president.

Trump is sick.

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No Country For Old Haters  Aug 17, 2015 • 6:18:13pm

re: #41 Tigger2

Trump is sick.

He knows how to play to a sick American subculture.

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SteveMcGaziBolaGate  Aug 17, 2015 • 6:18:35pm

re: #39 Charles Johnson

I didn’t see a snuff video

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makeitstop  Aug 17, 2015 • 6:19:15pm

re: #35 teleskiguy

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Sump Pump Trump going for the lowest common denominator.

Holy shit.

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Tigger2  Aug 17, 2015 • 6:19:47pm

re: #42 No Country For Old Haters

He knows how to play to a sick American subculture.

Like I said it takes a sick individual to do that.

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Tigger2  Aug 17, 2015 • 6:22:34pm

re: #40 No Country For Old Haters

We left AM to the crazies decades ago, and it’s gotten weirder and angrier ever since.

I stopped because the radio station I listened to stopped broadcasting on AM and went to FM. That was back in “68, 69 or 70” hell I’m old hard to remember. haha

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A Cranky One  Aug 17, 2015 • 6:25:56pm

re: #38 Tigger2

I haven’t listened to AM since FM came out.

AM signals use a lower frequency range which propagates better along the ground and can also refract off of the Ionosphere. This allows signals to travel long distances. FM and more current technologies (including cell phones) are essentially “line of sight” and the transmission distance between a transmitter and the receiver is determined by the curvature of the earth.

So AM is popular with people who drive distances such as truckers and folks who live more than 35 or so miles from an FM station/cell tower, etc.

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jaunte  Aug 17, 2015 • 6:28:41pm

re: #26 #FergusonFireside

What the hell is that…

That’s the real Donald Trump.
/Dorian Gray

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Eric The Fruit Bat  Aug 17, 2015 • 6:29:42pm

re: #8 Charles Johnson

I know that folks have issues with Penn and Teller, but they nail it when they call them sky grifters.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Aug 17, 2015 • 6:34:12pm

…

Lyrics in video. Perfect for this topic.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 17, 2015 • 6:34:20pm

re: #49 Eric The Fruit Bat

I know that folks have issues with Penn and Teller, but they nail it when they call them sky grifters.

They sometimes get it right. Just disappointing when someone like Penn says something obviously unintelligent when he can be intelligent about something else.

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freetoken  Aug 17, 2015 • 6:35:54pm

re: #51 HappyWarrior

Last pic I saw of Penn shocked me, with all the weight he’s lost. Makes him look much older.

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BeachDem  Aug 17, 2015 • 6:37:16pm

A quick run around the “news” shows, and all the stories are either about Trump or about how other candidates are responding to Trump. Ugh. I really don’t know if I can take another year of this crap. The media make me almost as sick as Trump does.

Now, it’s either watch “12 Angry Men” (9:45 EDT) on TCM, or go back to binge-watching “Curb Your Enthusiasm.”

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jaunte  Aug 17, 2015 • 6:39:09pm
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makeitstop  Aug 17, 2015 • 6:39:51pm

re: #52 freetoken

Last pic I saw of Penn shocked me, with all the weight he’s lost. Makes him look much older.

I met him in Vegas back in May, and he looked like a scarecrow with a Penn mask on.

I thought he was some skinny dude who looked like Penn until a friend of mine introduced me. I don’t think I masked my surprise very well - but that’s the reason I stay away from the poker tables.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 17, 2015 • 6:39:58pm

re: #53 BeachDem

A quick run around the “news” shows, and all the stories are either about Trump or about how other candidates are responding to Trump. Ugh. I really don’t know if I can take another year of this crap. The media make me almost as sick as Trump does.

Now, it’s either watch “12 Angry Men” (9:45 EDT) on TCM, or go back to binge-watching “Curb Your Enthusiasm.”

Man tough choices. I’d go with the latter only because I watched 12 Angry Men fairly recently but CYE is great.

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Pawn of the Oppressor  Aug 17, 2015 • 6:40:25pm

There’s some kind of base tribal instinct in the human animal that, while manifesting in very deep and complicated ways, pretty much comes down to “Do Onto Others Before They Do Onto You”.

I know I’m not the only person here who’s partway into Battle Cry of Freedom and it’s become abundantly clear to me that nothing has really changed; the country has been fighting the same cultural war since the onset of industrialization in the 1830s, and possibly earlier.

The politics are the same, the rhetoric is the same, the ideas are the same. The only difference is that one side is no longer allowed to own humans or say the N-word in public. I’ll add a caveat that, for that side, everybody who isn’t them is an N-word to some degree.

Women, the poor, the “Negro”, the Irish, the Chinese, the Jews: there’s always somebody to shit on. This supremacist wannabe-Plantation Owner knows that he’s a loser, and the only way he can feel better is to scapegoat and hate the Other.

The big difference now is that this mentality is no longer constrained to geography. It’s a battle of the mind. Assholes vs. Everybody Else. We’re starting to see cracks in the veneer, and pure Asshole is leaking through for everybody to see.

I’d love it if Hillary or Bernie stood up on a stage and called them out. Don’t parry - just sledgehammer that wall until the dam bursts and the right wing pukes itself up without any sugar-coating. It’s getting there.

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Iwouldprefernotto  Aug 17, 2015 • 6:41:12pm

John Oliver is living proof that immigration is a (mostly) positive force.

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Decatur Deb  Aug 17, 2015 • 6:42:06pm

re: #58 Iwouldprefernotto

John Oliver is living proof that immigration is a (mostly) positive force.

Then there’s ‘Lord’ Monckton…

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darthstar  Aug 17, 2015 • 6:42:25pm

re: #41 Tigger2

Trump is sick.

Sick? Maybe. But he’s still the GOP front runner.

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Eric The Fruit Bat  Aug 17, 2015 • 6:43:02pm

re: #52 freetoken

When I saw him with his weight loss I was spooked and wondered what was going on. Wikipedia thus spake:

In December 2014, Jillette’s blood pressure landed him in the hospital. By his birthday, March 5, 2015, he had lost 105 pounds. He follows Dr. Joel Fuhrman’s Nutritarian diet, which means that he eats no animal products, no processed grains, and no added sugar or salt.[40]

I have only seen such significant weight loss in such a short time, and that is by surgical procedures such as a VBG+RNY. His liver enzymes during this period would have been so far off the charts they’d be wondering what the fuck is happening (what is actually happening is that the liver is burning all of the fat deposited in it. BTDT.)

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BeachDem  Aug 17, 2015 • 6:44:11pm

re: #56 HappyWarrior

Man tough choices. I’d go with the latter only because I watched 12 Angry Men fairly recently but CYE is great.

Yeah, I think I need some humor rather than pathos. I’ve seen 12 Angry Men many times and have probably seen every CYE episode, but not in order.

Back later—after some Larry David angst!

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HappyWarrior  Aug 17, 2015 • 6:45:32pm

re: #61 Eric The Fruit Bat

When I saw him with his weight loss I was spooked and wondered what was going on. Wikipedia thus spake:

Good for him. I lost a lot of weight myself by starting to exercise more, eat better and less, and drink more water and less booze.

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darthstar  Aug 17, 2015 • 6:47:06pm
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jaunte  Aug 17, 2015 • 6:49:33pm
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jc717  Aug 17, 2015 • 6:49:43pm

re: #2 Tigger2

Religion turned into a business and forgot about their true teachings when they started the big TV churches

Since when wasn’t religion, at it’s core, about wealth and control?
It’s not like the Vatican is lacking for gold or priceless works of art, it’s not like the Mormon Church isn’t getting 10% from the worshipers, etc.
The evangelists are bottom feeding pikers compared to the major religions.

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teleskiguy  Aug 17, 2015 • 6:52:36pm

re: #65 jaunte

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Eric The Fruit Bat  Aug 17, 2015 • 6:52:38pm

re: #63 HappyWarrior

Well, Joel Fuhrman may be skating close to the Looniverse.

If you watch the movie (which I hope you won’t) you’ll also encounter one Dr. Joel Fuhrman claiming that cooking somehow destroys living antioxidants, phytochemicals, and a variety of other compounds, without which the body can’t be healthy and “must break down.” Fuhrman describes processed food as “foods whose life has been taken out of them,” and makes the claim that, without these micronutrients cells accumulate “toxins” that need to be “detoxified,” while touting broccoli and various vegetables as having “incredible medicinal power.” Yes, it’s as complete bullshit as it sounds. Add to that Cousens talking about live cell analysis and Super Size Me star and delusional crackpot Morgan Spurlock failing desperately in an attempt to assess evidence, and you have a good mix of woo and silly.

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calochortus  Aug 17, 2015 • 6:53:50pm

re: #57 Pawn of the Oppressor

I intend to read that book after I read a few others to suggest for my book club. I’d suggest Battle Cry of Freedom, but IIRC it runs around 900 pages and the members would not be amused. Especially not if one of the other choices was Steven Pinker’s Better Angels of our Nature (about 700 pages.)

However, I bring up the latter because he deals with your “do unto others before they do unto you” (also known as the Hobbsian Trap-attack those people before they attack you.) He points out that stable government-especially when democratic-provides Hobbes’ Leviathan, reassuring everyone that “those people” won’t attack you because of the rule of law.

As I read the book, which explains how and perhaps why violence has declined in recent centuries, I was put powerfully in mind of the attitudes of many conservatives who wish to do away with the calming, and therefore beneficial, aspect of government, in favor of of shooting up anyone they think might harm them.

In the long run, I believe the folks who think the best defense is a good offense are doomed to live in an unstable, less productive, and very much more dangerous world than people who abide by the rule of law.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 17, 2015 • 6:55:47pm

re: #67 teleskiguy

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Did they forget the word doctrine or is this about something else? Really don’t want to have to listen to Bobby Jindal whine.

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darthstar  Aug 17, 2015 • 6:55:47pm

re: #67 teleskiguy

Even Jindal’s campaign fucking hates him.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 17, 2015 • 6:56:09pm

re: #71 darthstar

Even Jindal’s campaign fucking hates him.

Can’t blame them. He’s probably a real dickish boss.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 17, 2015 • 6:57:38pm

re: #68 Eric The Fruit Bat

Well, Joel Fuhrman may be skating close to the Looniverse.

Yeah that does sound quite loony. I really didn’t change what I ate that much honestly. i don’t eat as much fast food I guess though and pretty much don’t drink soda anymore.

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calochortus  Aug 17, 2015 • 7:00:35pm

re: #68 Eric The Fruit Bat

Well, Joel Fuhrman may be skating close to the Looniverse.

And yet cooked foods tend to be more nutritious because the cooking breaks things down a bit so our bodies don’t have to. Although it also does destroy some nutrients.

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No Depression  Aug 17, 2015 • 7:03:37pm

I’ve always wondered how Donald Trump, a guy who’s gone bankrupt 4 times, could possibly swindle investors out of their money. This blog post by Scott Adams gave me some insight. There’s some good stuff in here:

And what did you think of Trump’s famous “Rosie O’Donnell” quip at the first debate when asked about his comments on women? The interviewer’s questions were intended to paint Trump forever as a sexist pig. But Trump quickly and cleverly set the “anchor” as Rosie O’Donnell, a name he could be sure was not popular with his core Republican crowd. And then he casually admitted, without hesitation, that he was sure he had said other bad things about other people as well.

Now do you see how the anchor works? If the idea of “Trump insults women” had been allowed to pair in your mind with the nice women you know and love, you would hate Trump. That jerk is insulting my sister, my mother, and my wife! But Trump never let that happen. At the first moment (and you have to admit he thinks fast) he inserted the Rosie O’Donnell anchor and owned the conversation from that point on. Now he’s not the sexist who sometimes insults women; he’s the straight-talker who won’t hesitate to insult someone who has it coming (in his view).

Read more: blog.dilbert.com

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HappyWarrior  Aug 17, 2015 • 7:03:52pm

I honestly think the key to good dieting is portion sizes, mixing up what you have, and not eating food that is too fatty.

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Eric The Fruit Bat  Aug 17, 2015 • 7:10:41pm

re: #74 calochortus

Hence the raw foodie movement. Yet Pasteur showed that raw foods isn’t always in one best interest as well.

It’s the age old dilemma of watching your hated mother-in-law drive off the cliff in your brand-new Lexus.

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Decatur Deb  Aug 17, 2015 • 7:11:23pm

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I seem to have bought Little Green Footballs. Rest assured you will all be kept on at your current rate of pay.

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Iwouldprefernotto  Aug 17, 2015 • 7:13:28pm

re: #77 Eric The Fruit Bat

Hence the raw foodie movement. Yet Pasteur showed that raw foods isn’t always in one best interest as well.

It’s the age old dilemma of watching your hated mother-in-law drive off the cliff in your brand-new Lexus.

That would only be a problem if you forgot to pay the insurance…

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Eric The Fruit Bat  Aug 17, 2015 • 7:14:38pm

re: #75 No Depression

The worst part of Trump is that the financial institutions who deal with him think they can get the better of him, and yet they are the ones left holding the bag. Remember the Trump Princess Yacht? Trump told the banks he wasn’t going to pay the insurance on it during round one of bankruptcy-so they got stuffed with the bill.

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coin operated  Aug 17, 2015 • 7:15:37pm

re: #75 No Depression

I’ve always wondered how Donald Trump, a guy who’s gone bankrupt 4 times, could possibly swindle investors out of their money. This blog post by Scott Adams gave me some insight. There’s some good stuff in here:

Sure as hell is. Speaking of the anchors Scott mentions in his blog…I remember another anchor he threw out there during the debates to combat the 4 bankruptcies. Something along the lines of “I own 900 other businesses and 4 failures is small potatoes in comparison.”

He’s good…I’ll give him that.

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jaunte  Aug 17, 2015 • 7:15:42pm

re: #78 Decatur Deb

I, for one, etc.

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Decatur Deb  Aug 17, 2015 • 7:16:53pm

re: #82 jaunte

I, for one, etc.

We’ll automate you last.

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Dr. Matt  Aug 17, 2015 • 7:18:03pm

File this under: “No shit, Sherlock”

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SteveMcGaziBolaGate  Aug 17, 2015 • 7:18:25pm

re: #79 Iwouldprefernotto

The car talk guys once fielded a question from a lady who wanted to know if she could carry 750 pounds of gravel in her Saab. They answered in the form of a question: Could you drive it with three mother in laws?

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Varek Raith  Aug 17, 2015 • 7:20:25pm

The Prosperity Gospel is evil.

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William Lewis  Aug 17, 2015 • 7:20:55pm

re: #2 Tigger2

Religion turned into a business and forgot about their true teachings when they started the big TV churches

Been that way since the beginning. The Didache warns about prophets who want money and don’t work or follow the Way. That was about 90AD IIRC.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 17, 2015 • 7:21:45pm

re: #86 Varek Raith

The Prosperity Gospel is evil.

Really is. It’s the marriage of the worst elements of Christianity with the worst of Ayn Rand’s philosophy. So of course, conservatives love it.

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goddamnedfrank  Aug 17, 2015 • 7:22:14pm

re: #43 SteveMcGaziBolaGate

I didn’t see a snuff video

The opening shot of “Jihad John” was from a snuff video. They juxtaposed that shot of him with the text “before he joined” right in front of the shot of Obama. The implication is blatantly racist and sickening.

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Eric The Fruit Bat  Aug 17, 2015 • 7:28:38pm

re: #59 Decatur Deb

‘Lord’ Monckton is some low-grade Pommie-scum who has a bad case of Graves disease who can’t deliver anything to his paymasters. Even the US Congress takes great fun at skewering this poor excuse of an upper-class twit. He’s a poor clone of William F. Buckley, who should be ashamed of even attempting to try to clone his sorry ass.

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jaunte  Aug 17, 2015 • 7:31:06pm
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bratwurst  Aug 17, 2015 • 7:31:59pm

Uh oh…Glenn Beck has a new ghostwritten book being released tomorrow:

It IS About Islam: Exposing the Truth About ISIS, Al Qaeda, Iran, and the Caliphate

ISIS, Al Qaeda and Iran are ALL THE SAME!!1!!

And yes…we used to get that kind of patter here on a regular basis from self-styled scholars on the topic of Islam. A long banned reg posted dozens of times that he was 100% SURE the Iranians were hosting Bin Laden. At least he and the rest of those fucking idiots don’t broadcast or have books ghostwritten in their name like Glenn does.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 17, 2015 • 7:32:35pm

re: #91 jaunte

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Fuckers. Every last one of them.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 17, 2015 • 7:33:05pm

re: #92 bratwurst

Uh on…Glenn Beck has a new ghostwritten book being released tomorrow:

It IS About Islam: Exposing the Truth About ISIS, Al Qaeda, Iran, and the Caliphate

ISIS, Al Qaeda and Iran are ALL THE SAME!!1!!

And yes…we used to get that kind of patter here on a regular basis from self-styled scholars on the topic of Islam. A long banned reg posted dozens of times that he was 100% SURE the Iranians were hosting Bin Laden. At least he and the rest of those fucking idiots don’t broadcast or have books ghostwritten in their name like Glenn does.

Crying grifter’s gotta grift. No wonder why he’s angry about Trump since Trump is ruining his publicity.

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Lidane  Aug 17, 2015 • 7:34:00pm

re: #65 jaunte

Is the GOP seriously wanting to go down that road? What. The. Fuck.

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#FergusonFireside  Aug 17, 2015 • 7:34:54pm
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#FergusonFireside  Aug 17, 2015 • 7:35:20pm
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Lidane  Aug 17, 2015 • 7:35:26pm

re: #86 Varek Raith

The Prosperity Gospel is evil.

It’s the exact opposite of everything Jesus said in the Gospels. It blows my mind that anyone falls for it.

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Eric The Fruit Bat  Aug 17, 2015 • 7:35:29pm

re: #92 bratwurst

And to think the paperback is cheaper the the Kindle copy.

Fuck you, Glenn.

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CuriousLurker  Aug 17, 2015 • 7:36:19pm

For the history-loving foodies out there, I purchased this book earlier today. At $1.99 for the Kindle version it’s a great bargain, IMO. Gonna go climb in bed and read the first chapter:

G’nite, lizards.

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Nyet  Aug 17, 2015 • 7:36:56pm

re: #88 HappyWarrior

Really is. It’s the marriage of the worst elements of Christianity with the worst of Ayn Rand’s philosophy. So of course, conservatives love it.

Monetization of biblical pseudoliteralism.

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jaunte  Aug 17, 2015 • 7:37:23pm
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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Aug 17, 2015 • 7:37:49pm

re: #100 CuriousLurker

Both mr. klys and I should enjoy that one. Thanks!

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Nyet  Aug 17, 2015 • 7:38:25pm

Black Cat Appreciation Day needs more Bear.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 17, 2015 • 7:38:41pm

re: #102 jaunte

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I’ve always hated stuff like that and Christian Taliban but when you propose getting rid of something that we’ve done for generations upon generations simply to satisfy your base’s anti immigrant thirst, you’re being like the KKK.

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bratwurst  Aug 17, 2015 • 7:39:00pm

re: #99 Eric The Fruit Bat

And to think the paperback is cheaper the the Kindle copy.

Fuck you, Glenn.

Yes, I was amazed at the ultra low price ($.8.81) for a hot-off-the-press new release. His ghostwriting staff must work cheap!

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Decatur Deb  Aug 17, 2015 • 7:39:21pm

re: #97 #FergusonFireside

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Bobby Jindal’s citizenship is birthright.

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Lidane  Aug 17, 2015 • 7:41:37pm

re: #107 Decatur Deb

Bobby Jindal’s citizenship is birthright.

So is Marco Rubio’s.

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jaunte  Aug 17, 2015 • 7:41:59pm

re: #105 HappyWarrior

The comparison to the KKK loses its true force because it’s been so overused, but now, really, it’s hard to see the difference.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 17, 2015 • 7:46:45pm

re: #109 jaunte

The comparison to the KKK loses its true force because it’s been so overused, but now, really, it’s hard to see the difference.

Right. Believe me in the past I hated Republikkkan but when they do shit like this. Same thing with the religious right. I didn’t like Christian Taliban but when their candidates are actively calling for a theocracy.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Aug 17, 2015 • 7:47:12pm

re: #92 bratwurst

“Part of the Control Series”

Hmmm…

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teleskiguy  Aug 17, 2015 • 7:48:12pm
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Decatur Deb  Aug 17, 2015 • 7:49:33pm

re: #108 Lidane

So is Marco Rubio’s.

Next debate could be interesting if they make the cut.

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teleskiguy  Aug 17, 2015 • 7:51:09pm
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teleskiguy  Aug 17, 2015 • 7:52:29pm
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Lidane  Aug 17, 2015 • 7:55:25pm

re: #113 Decatur Deb

Next debate could be interesting if they make the cut.

Hell, for that matter, Cruz, Santorum, and Trump all have one immigrant parent and one American parent.

If we get rid of birthright citizenship, what replaces it? If we say that both parents have to be citizens when a child is born for that child to be a citizen, none of them would qualify.

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Decatur Deb  Aug 17, 2015 • 7:57:49pm

Nite, All.

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FormerDirtDart  Aug 17, 2015 • 7:57:54pm

Many will spend this week, and longer, attempting to diminish and dismiss what these two soldiers have accomplished.
In doing so they will simply prove themselves to be beneath my contempt.
What these two women have done is impressive, even if it was done by a man.
I say this from experience. I graduated from Ranger School in Dec. 1992, as a 29yo Sergeant First Class. My seventy-odd days spent touring Benning, the Desert, the Mountains then Florida effect me to this day.
I spent from the summer of 1996 to the summer of 1999 as a Ranger Instructor at Fort Benning. The initial phase of Ranger School. I’ve seen many a big brave man quit in just the first few weeks. Even some barrel-chested silver wing warriors from the Ranger Regiment.
These ladies did what we referred to as the “long” or “extended” course, earning “extra-credit”.
It took a lot of heart to take their route. A whole lot.
Much more than those that will attempt to belittle their journey will likely ever possess.

Well done young Rangers
Rangers Lead The Way
First female soldiers to graduate from Army Ranger School

WASHINGTON — Two female soldiers will graduate from the Army’s legendary Ranger School this week, the first women to complete the course since it was opened to them on an experimental basis this year, the U.S. Army said Monday evening.

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Charles Johnson  Aug 17, 2015 • 7:58:38pm
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jaunte  Aug 17, 2015 • 7:59:09pm
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Romantic Heretic  Aug 17, 2015 • 8:00:39pm

re: #57 Pawn of the Oppressor

There’s some kind of base tribal instinct in the human animal that, while manifesting in very deep and complicated ways, pretty much comes down to “Do Onto Others Before They Do Onto You”.

As a Cracked writer put it, “Humans are gregarious animals which means they have been bred by evolution for group murder.”

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teleskiguy  Aug 17, 2015 • 8:01:00pm

re: #118 FormerDirtDart

Thanks for your service! And those ladies could kick anyone’s ass, anyone’s!

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HappyWarrior  Aug 17, 2015 • 8:01:13pm

re: #120 jaunte

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Hmmm wonder if Fathead Tony’s parents were naturalized when he was born.

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Charles Johnson  Aug 17, 2015 • 8:01:57pm
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teleskiguy  Aug 17, 2015 • 8:02:06pm

re: #119 Charles Johnson

GUARD TOWERS, MACHINE GUN NESTS, FRICKIN SHARKS WITH FRICKIN LAZER BEAMS ON THEIR HEADS!

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Lidane  Aug 17, 2015 • 8:02:29pm

re: #119 Charles Johnson

It’s mind-blowing that the GOP are seriously talking about ending birthright citizenship and are openly channeling all the worst nativist impulses of the far right. It’s like they’re bound and determined to be an all-white party and to hell with everyone else.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 17, 2015 • 8:02:51pm

re: #124 Charles Johnson

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Rubio will only suggest alligators. This is what being a moderate entails.//

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HappyWarrior  Aug 17, 2015 • 8:04:35pm

I’d actually argue that keeping birthright citizenship is the conservative position given that it’s been around for 100+ years and has worked. What these candidates are proposing is radical and reactionary. So way to go GOP, you’re sounding awfully reactionary.

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teleskiguy  Aug 17, 2015 • 8:07:25pm

It’ll get worse before it gets better when it comes to GOP rhetoric. Who’ll be the first down-ballot candidate to be caught calling Obama a ni-CLANG?

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HappyWarrior  Aug 17, 2015 • 8:09:37pm

re: #129 teleskiguy

It’ll get worse before it gets better when it comes to GOP rhetoric. Who’ll be the first down-ballot candidate to be caught calling Obama a ni-CLANG?

I don’t think any of them are that dumb. But since you asked, Huckabee.

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Belafon  Aug 17, 2015 • 8:12:37pm

re: #128 HappyWarrior

I’d actually argue that keeping birthright citizenship is the conservative position given that it’s been around for 100+ years and has worked. What these candidates are proposing is radical and reactionary. So way to go GOP, you’re sounding awfully reactionary.

Today’s GOP is reactionary and regressive. It has no concept of being conservative.

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teleskiguy  Aug 17, 2015 • 8:12:53pm

re: #130 HappyWarrior

I was thinking GOP comptroller or some rural bumpkin county sheriff, y’know, down-ballot, way down.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 17, 2015 • 8:13:28pm

re: #132 teleskiguy

I was thinking GOP comptroller or some rural bumpkin county sheriff, y’know, down-ballot, way down.

Oh, oh one of the .3%. Honestly don’t know too many of them.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 17, 2015 • 8:14:07pm

re: #131 Belafon

Today’s GOP is reactionary and regressive. It has no concept of being conservative.

and no signs of moderating on anything. I guess this is the rebrnading that Reince promised us. He never said that it would be for the better.

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teleskiguy  Aug 17, 2015 • 8:16:05pm

re: #133 HappyWarrior

Oh, oh one of the .3%. Honestly don’t know too many of them.

I remember George Allen, as I’m sure you do too. That was seven years ago! The GOP cauldron is at a much more rolling boil than in those days. We’re gonna hear some ugly shit. All I can do is

Popcorn Time!
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Belafon  Aug 17, 2015 • 8:16:10pm

re: #129 teleskiguy

It’ll get worse before it gets better when it comes to GOP rhetoric. Who’ll be the first down-ballot candidate to be caught calling Obama a ni-CLANG?

Remember Santorum’s slip-ups: Rick Santorum: another slip of the tongue but was it the ‘N-word’?

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teleskiguy  Aug 17, 2015 • 8:17:52pm

re: #136 Belafon

Remember Santorum’s slip-ups: Rick Santorum: another slip of the tongue but was it the ‘N-word’?

I do remember that. I’m willing to take frothy anal lube’s side on that one, I don’t think he was really going to call Obama a ni-CLANG, it was an unfortunate-sounding slip of the tongue.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 17, 2015 • 8:17:59pm

re: #135 teleskiguy

I remember George Allen, as I’m sure you do too. That was seven years ago! The GOP cauldron is at a much more rolling boil than in those days. We’re gonna hear some ugly shit. All I can do is

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9 years ago actually. You have no idea how much that infuriated me. The kid he slandered was a native born Virginia unlike Allen who came to this state only because of his Dad’s job coaching the Redskins. I actually know some people who know him. He’s a really smart kid who had attended one of the best of the best schools in Northern Virginia. Thomas Jefferson. I am not a big Jim Webb fan as you know by now too but he’lll always have my appreciation for ending George’s political career.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 17, 2015 • 8:18:12pm

re: #136 Belafon

Remember Santorum’s slip-ups: Rick Santorum: another slip of the tongue but was it the ‘N-word’?

I do remember that.

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teleskiguy  Aug 17, 2015 • 8:19:39pm

re: #138 HappyWarrior

Wasn’t the dude just doing some oppo research?

It was a maddening and revealing moment in a Senate race, I remember it well.

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teleskiguy  Aug 17, 2015 • 8:22:39pm

COME AT ME, BRO! DO YOU EVEN LIFT?!?

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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Aug 17, 2015 • 8:22:54pm

when there are people like the current republic party crop running for president, i just have no patience left for people who can say “hillary is no better than a republican”

fuck that shit

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HappyWarrior  Aug 17, 2015 • 8:23:04pm

re: #140 teleskiguy

Wasn’t the dude just doing some oppo research?

It was a maddening and revealing moment in a Senate race, I remember it well.

Yeah pretty standard stuff. No idea what he’s doing now but it was maddening and quite revealing. Allen always had a big of reputation though which is why it wasn’t really a shock to me. There were stories about him being a racist to black students when he was in high school and how he apparently had a CSA flag in his office along with a hangman’s noose that his supporters claim was about his strong support of capital punishment. Nothing made me happier when Tim Kaine ended his political career for good in 2008. I’d be shocked if he runs again. Crazy as it sounds, he’s probably not radical enough for the Virginia GOP of today. You remember E.W Jackson right? Well before he was the GOP’s batshit loony candidate for Lt Governor, he ran against Allen in 2008 along with some crazy TP lady whose name I am forgetting. Maybe Varek, Timothy, or Targetpractice remember but I don’t unfortunately.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 17, 2015 • 8:23:29pm

re: #142 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸

when there are people like the current republic party crop running for president, i just have no patience left for people who can say “hillary is no better than a republican”

fuck that shit

The people who say that shit aren’t the ones who are going to be fucked over by Republican policies.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 17, 2015 • 8:24:19pm

re: #141 teleskiguy

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COME AT ME, BRO! DO YOU EVEN LIFT?!?

The funny thing is the popped collar is probably the least douchey thing about him. Working for Fox and O’Reilly and having a douchey collar. Holy shit batman.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 17, 2015 • 8:28:32pm

Have to say the more family tree research I do, the last I am “astounded” when it’s revealed that two white candidates of usually Western European stock and whose families have been here a while are revealed to be 9th cousins. I mean it’s a neat connection I concede but this no longer shocks me after seeing how many people I am related to. It does make me wonder about my own relationship to Governor O’Malley though. I have the name in my family tree. Don’t know for sure though if my great great grandmother whose maiden name that was though had any surviving siblings that went to America though or any at all.

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Kafitrar  Aug 17, 2015 • 8:37:35pm

I think an overlay of this statement from Trump’s immigration reform plan on top of the famous picture of the INS agent reaching for Elian Gonzalez would blow a few conservative minds. I couldn’t find any statement Trump made at the time.

Illegal aliens apprehended crossing the border must be detained until they are sent home, no more catch-and-release.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 17, 2015 • 8:40:19pm

re: #147 Kafitrar

I think an overlay of this statement from Trump’s immigration reform plan on top of the famous picture of the INS agent reaching for Elian Gonzalez would blow a few conservative minds. I couldn’t find any statement Trump made at the time.

it’s amazing how times change. The real pathetic thing though is Cruz constantly defending Trump’s xenophobia though if Trump had his way, Cruz wouldn’t be eligible.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Aug 17, 2015 • 8:42:52pm

In the John Oliver video, the Televangelist who tells people buried under credit card debt to borrow still more to send to him, and ‘maybe God will wipe out your debt!’ is about as low as you can get and not wind up in prison. Almost makes me want to believe in god to believe he’ll be punished.

That’s one tough thing about being an atheist - I don’t even believe in Kharma.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 17, 2015 • 8:43:46pm

re: #149 Blind Frog Belly White

In the John Oliver video, the Televangelist who tells people buried under credit card debt to borrow still more to send to him, and ‘maybe God will wipe out your debt!’ is about as low as you can get and not wind up in prison. Almost makes me want to believe in god to believe he’ll be punished.

That’s one tough thing about being an atheist - I don’t even believe in Kharma.

I always got a chuckle about what Hitchens said about Falwell. You know, a pity there’s no hell for him to go too.

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Higgs Boson's Mate  Aug 17, 2015 • 8:44:50pm

re: #126 Lidane

It’s mind-blowing that the GOP are seriously talking about ending birthright citizenship and are openly channeling all the worst nativist impulses of the far right. It’s like they’re bound and determined to be an all-white party and to hell with everyone else.

None of us were surprised by the GOP candidates’ formation turn to the right for the primaries. I was surprised, though, to see them go this far to the right this fast. The Iowa caucuses are 166 days away and we’re already up to stealing oil from the ME, sending troops that we don’t have to places we shouldn’t be, building a wall that would make Qin Shi Huang green with envy, deporting 12 million people, and repealing birthright citizenship. At this rate, they’ll be speaking in tongues by the time their convention convenes.

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Kafitrar  Aug 17, 2015 • 8:51:10pm

re: #148 HappyWarrior

it’s amazing how times change. The real pathetic thing though is Cruz constantly defending Trump’s xenophobia though if Trump had his way, Cruz wouldn’t be eligible.

Cruz probably hasn’t thought it through. Or if he has, he’ll be spared due to grandfathering or being a fellow conservative.

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darthstar  Aug 17, 2015 • 8:51:17pm
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HappyWarrior  Aug 17, 2015 • 8:52:46pm

re: #152 Kafitrar

Cruz probably hasn’t thought it through. Or if he has, he’ll be spared due to grandfathering or being a fellow conservative.

He’s just an opportunist ass.

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Pawn of the Oppressor  Aug 17, 2015 • 8:56:24pm

re: #125 teleskiguy

Trump should go on a Mexican Hunt! “I’ll go to the border with a rifle and shoot ‘em myself!” Maybe bring schoolkids along? Field trip with Uncle Don!

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darthstar  Aug 17, 2015 • 9:02:30pm
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Lidane  Aug 17, 2015 • 9:02:33pm

re: #151 Higgs Boson’s Mate

None of us were surprised by the GOP candidates’ formation turn to the right for the primaries. I was surprised, though, to see them go this far to the right this fast. The Iowa caucuses are 166 days away and we’re already up to stealing oil from the ME, sending troops that we don’t have to places we shouldn’t be, building a wall that would make Qin Shi Huang green with envy, deporting 12 million people, and repealing birthright citizenship. At this rate, they’ll be speaking in tongues by the time their convention convenes.

Seriously.

I mean, I expected to roll my eyes at the occasional stupidity as these guys went further and further to the right before the primaries, but at this rate they’ll be giving the RTLMC a run for their money before Halloween. What the fuck.

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sagehen  Aug 17, 2015 • 9:05:30pm

re: #137 teleskiguy

I do remember that. I’m willing to take frothy anal lube’s side on that one, I don’t think he was really going to call Obama a ni-CLANG, it was an unfortunate-sounding slip of the tongue.

Then there was the congressman from Georgia, in 2008, who tried to claim he “didn’t realize it was a racial slur” after he got media-frenzied for calling Obama “uppity”.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 17, 2015 • 9:07:35pm

re: #158 sagehen

Then there was the congressman from Georgia, in 2008, who tried to claim he “didn’t realize it was a racial slur” after he got media-frenzied for calling Obama “uppity”.

Rush has called Mrs. Obama “uppity” several times I believe.

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darthstar  Aug 17, 2015 • 9:08:15pm

Apparently, The Tubes were in Yreka, California tonight (shot by my best friend from high school)

The Tubes in Yreka, CA…on a Monday night!
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teleskiguy  Aug 17, 2015 • 9:09:36pm

The crescent moon was beautiful tonight. It had a dirty white appearance from wildfire smoke in the atmosphere. Sorry, no pictures. Just typing it out here for me, so I remember it.

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Higgs Boson's Mate  Aug 17, 2015 • 9:10:59pm

re: #160 darthstar

Video

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Joe Bacon  Aug 17, 2015 • 9:13:43pm

John Oliver should have used this classic Tilton Clip!

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teleskiguy  Aug 17, 2015 • 9:16:46pm

re: #163 Joe Bacon

I have but one upding to give!

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Higgs Boson's Mate  Aug 17, 2015 • 9:19:57pm

re: #163 Joe Bacon

Looks like I grew old, but I didn’t grow up. That still makes me laugh.

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teleskiguy  Aug 17, 2015 • 9:22:39pm

re: #163 Joe Bacon

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Kragar  Aug 17, 2015 • 9:25:29pm

re: #165 Higgs Boson’s Mate

Flatulence joke is world’s oldest

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darthstar  Aug 17, 2015 • 9:25:55pm
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darthstar  Aug 17, 2015 • 9:27:40pm
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darthstar  Aug 17, 2015 • 9:35:10pm

A DEA officer stopped at a ranch in Texas, and talked with an old rancher. He told the rancher, “I need to inspect your ranch for illegally grown drugs.” The rancher said, “Okay , but don’t go in that field over there…..”, as he pointed out the location.

The DEA officer verbally exploded saying, ” Mister, I have the authority of the Federal Government with me!” Reaching into his rear pants pocket, the arrogant officer removed his badge and proudly displayed it to the rancher. “See this fucking badge?! This badge means I am allowed to go wherever I wish…. On any land !! No questions asked or answers given!! Have I made myself clear?…. do you understand?!!”

The rancher nodded politely, apologized, and went about his chores. A short time later, the old rancher heard loud screams, looked up, and saw the DEA officer running for his life, being chased by the rancher’s big Santa Gertrudis bull…… With every step the bull was gaining ground on the officer, and it seemed likely that he’d sure enough get gored before he reached safety. The officer was clearly terrified. The rancher threw down his tools, ran to the fence and yelled at the top of his lungs…..

“Your badge, show him your fucking BADGE!!”

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Higgs Boson's Mate  Aug 17, 2015 • 9:38:54pm

re: #170 darthstar

Imagine how thrilled such a rancher would be to have the border fence built on the edge of his property.

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William Lewis  Aug 17, 2015 • 9:39:03pm

re: #170 darthstar

Cute.

Though in my lifetime? I feared a Holstein bull far more than any pi**ant beef bull. Seriously nasty & insane bugger.

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Camacho DeezNuts 2016  Aug 17, 2015 • 9:44:52pm

This is all a buncha bullshit.

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Higgs Boson's Mate  Aug 17, 2015 • 9:47:03pm

re: #172 William Lewis

Cute.

Though in my lifetime? I feared a Holstein bull far more than any pi**ant beef bull. Seriously nasty & insane bugger.

“The next moron who calls me a cow is going to get sooooo gored!”

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Jenner7  Aug 17, 2015 • 9:56:24pm

Video

Gary Numan’s Metal, covered by the brilliant NIN

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teleskiguy  Aug 17, 2015 • 10:05:08pm

I want to share something personal. Some of you know that I’m an admirer of the rock band Umphrey’s McGee. Here is a list of every song I’ve seen the band play live in concert.

Grateful Dead fuckin’ wished they had the internet! But their fans were crazy, and now you can listen to just about any fuckin’ Dead concert you can think of.

I have seen Slipknot, Sepultura *and* Slayer play music at Red Rocks in Colorado. Also The James Gang, Bob Dylan and Wilco (the Wilco show made me cry, during “Ashes of American Flags”).

I’ve seen Umphrey’s McGee at Red Rocks seven times. They’re fun!

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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Aug 17, 2015 • 10:05:16pm

we doan need no steenkin badgers

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BeachDem  Aug 17, 2015 • 10:18:57pm

Wait, I thought George Zimmerman was broke, homeless and in debt?

Now, out of the goodness of his black, rotten heart, he’s going to help the racist owner of the “Muslim-free” gunshop in Florida. It’s a match made in hell.

George Zimmerman is partnering with the owner of a “Muslim-free” gun store in Florida by selling Confederate flag prints online, WKMG-TV reported.

An announcement on the Florida Gun Supply website stated that Zimmerman and owner Andy Hallinan would be splitting the proceeds from selling the $50 prints for “legal funds, living expenses, and advancing their mission to change the country.”

rawstory.com

Spit.

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Mentis Fugit  Aug 17, 2015 • 10:27:50pm

re: #175 Jenner7

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Gary Numan’s Metal, covered by the brilliant NIN

If you can’t make up your mind whose version you prefer, try both together:
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teleskiguy  Aug 17, 2015 • 11:02:53pm

Science.

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Who_is_Jon_Snow?  Aug 17, 2015 • 11:04:20pm

re: #176 teleskiguy

I’ve seen Umphrey’s McGee at Red Rocks seven times. They’re fun!

I saw U2 at Red Rocks when they filmed “Under a Blood Red Sky” in the mist and fog. I also saw The Clash when they brought Alan Ginsberg on stage and he mumbled incoherently into the microphone for 5 minutes. Okay, he may not have been incoherent, I may have imbibed or inhaled that night. Or maybe he was incoherent and I had imbibed or inhaled.

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SteveMcGaziBolaGate  Aug 17, 2015 • 11:10:47pm

Maybe we should dredge the Rio Grande River. Or put up a dam at the mouth of the river. Someday, Lake tRump would be a formidable barrier to keep people from sneaking into Mexico.

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SteveMcGaziBolaGate  Aug 17, 2015 • 11:11:51pm

re: #182 Who_is_Jon_Snow?

Maybe everybody imbibed and inhaled.

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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Aug 17, 2015 • 11:13:42pm

re: #181 teleskiguy

Science.

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that scary lookin moon gives me a phobia

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teleskiguy  Aug 17, 2015 • 11:14:38pm

re: #182 Who_is_Jon_Snow?

I took a tour of Red Rocks backstage at the beginning of the summer. There’s a tunnel - underneath the audience - that goes from backstage to the soundboard area. Bands sign their names on the walls of this tunnel. I saw this.

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BeachDem  Aug 17, 2015 • 11:16:27pm

A near-perfect assessment of the Sunday shows—or what Jackson Browne would have come up with, had he composed “The Pretend Derp.”​

Highlights:
And then there’s the classic answer that he gave regarding the basis for his military expertise.

“Well, I watch the shows.” What shows? Chuck’s? The Price Is Right? Downton Abbey? Combat on Netflix? Ottumwa cable access? The nation wants to know…

a panel that included Halperin, Ron Fournier, and Peggy Noonan, which is not a combination that anyone ever should put together outside of a laboratory buried beneath eight miles of rock and concrete…

esquire.com

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William Lewis  Aug 17, 2015 • 11:16:49pm

re: #182 Who_is_Jon_Snow?

I saw U2 at Red Rocks when they filmed “Under a Blood Red Sky” in the mist and fog. I also saw The Clash when they brought Alan Ginsberg on stage and he mumbled incoherently into the microphone for 5 minutes. Okay, he may not have been incoherent, I may have imbibed or inhaled that night. Or maybe he was incoherent and I had imbibed or inhaled.

I expect that the last bit is the most correct… Would have done many naughty things for either show’s ticket; both would probably have landed me in Supermax… O_o

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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Aug 17, 2015 • 11:19:08pm

hoagy carmichael did not write a tune called ‘starbucks’

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teleskiguy  Aug 17, 2015 • 11:21:17pm

re: #186 teleskiguy

Dude in pic is not me. I’m the photographer.

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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Aug 17, 2015 • 11:24:14pm

re: #187 BeachDem

And then there’s the classic answer that he gave regarding the basis for his military expertise.

“Well, I watch the shows.”

just sitting there waiting to get thrown in his face at the presidential debates until it’s one if those things politicians stay up nights wishing theyd never said

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BeachDem  Aug 17, 2015 • 11:26:44pm

re: #191 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸

just sitting there waiting to get thrown in his face at the presidential debates until it’s one if those things politicians stay up nights wishing theyd never said

Sadly, it probably won’t because…reasons.

But hey, if Trump can be president because he watches the shows, I think Barry Manilow has a shot because he writes the songs.

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William Lewis  Aug 17, 2015 • 11:27:05pm

re: #190 teleskiguy

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Dude in pic is not me. I’m the photographer.

Wonder if my guitar hero, John Graham Mellor (aka Joe Strummer) signed that wall when the passed through there. Cool place to be and check out. I’d love just to stand on stage there, place empty, and just feel the sound of my guitar ringing there.

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teleskiguy  Aug 17, 2015 • 11:37:03pm

re: #193 William Lewis

Wonder if my guitar hero, John Graham Mellor (aka Joe Strummer) signed that wall when the passed through there. Cool place to be and check out. I’d love just to stand on stage there, place empty, and just feel the sound of my guitar ringing there.

They very well may have signed those walls. The amount of signatures was simply overwhelming. I saw Tom Petty, Bob Dylan, Green Day, Primus, Stevie Wonder, Prince, Sarah McLachlan…when you walk into the main entrance of the backstage area, the first thing you see is a huge picture of Widespread Panic, that band has played 42 sold-out shows at Red Rocks.

There’s this too. The only show in the United States that The Beatles did not sell out.

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William Lewis  Aug 17, 2015 • 11:42:58pm

re: #194 teleskiguy

There’s this too. The only show in the United States that The Beatles did not sell out.

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How utterly depressing.

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teleskiguy  Aug 18, 2015 • 12:26:50am
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freetoken  Aug 18, 2015 • 12:32:02am

GOP outreach-to-college-student site “The College Fix” declares:

Universities used aborted parts to create ‘humanized’ mice to study

College Fix is basically fronting an Operation Rescue created article.

These outlets seem shocked that university scientist use cells from H. sapiens to put into other animals for various studies.

It’s all part of the general anti-abortion and anti-PP campaign, complete with glowing references to the ginned up “Center for Medical Progress”.

Here is what the religious right cannot accept: we humans are just colonies of cells. That’s what we are. From a zygote forward that’s what we are, but the important part about becoming sentient seems to be ignored by the religious right.

That’s because they think humans are magickal beings.

And that is why they get all up in arms about Schiavo - even though clearly brain dead and not capable of human sentience as we all experience, they still did not want to pull the plug. That’s because if the religious right were to ever admit that what we collectively experience as “humanity” has to do with a working brain then the magick goes away.

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freetoken  Aug 18, 2015 • 12:34:30am

WaPo takes on Carson’s recycling a stupid meme:

Carson’s claim that Planned Parenthood targets blacks to ‘control that population’

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freetoken  Aug 18, 2015 • 12:54:19am

MP3 Audio

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Nyet  Aug 18, 2015 • 12:57:54am

re: #179 BeachDem

But he ain’t no racist or anythin’.

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Nyet  Aug 18, 2015 • 1:02:25am

re: #197 freetoken

“Universities used aborted parts to create ‘humanized’ mice to study”

Is there supposed to be anything wrong with this?

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Decatur Deb  Aug 18, 2015 • 1:33:46am

re: #201 Nyet

Creatures with the reproductive rate of Mus and the size and aggression of Homo?

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Nyet  Aug 18, 2015 • 2:06:31am

re: #202 Decatur Deb

Creatures with the reproductive rate of Mus and the size and aggression of Homo?

Don’t be such a Homo-phobe.

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Decatur Deb  Aug 18, 2015 • 2:10:49am

re: #203 Nyet

Someone can do a thesis on the retrograde effects of 1950s horror movies on science.

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freetoken  Aug 18, 2015 • 2:11:58am

re: #201 Nyet

“Universities used aborted parts to create ‘humanized’ mice to study”

Is there supposed to be anything wrong with this?

Well, they’d say the evil scientists are ripping babiesl little images of God from their mothers’ wombs in order to create the Franken-mice.

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Nyet  Aug 18, 2015 • 2:13:12am

re: #204 Decatur Deb

pbfcomics.com

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freetoken  Aug 18, 2015 • 2:19:09am

Lots of horrible people in this country doing horrible things:

Trans woman killed after being repeatedly run over

A trans woman has died after being repeatedly run over in a violent attack.

Police officers found Tamara Dominguez, 32, lying unconscious in a car park during the early hours of Saturday morning (August 15).
An eyewitness told officers that Ms Dominguez - who lived in Kansas - had gotten out of a black SUV that then intentionally ran her over - before reversing over her and and running over her a second time.

Ms Dominguez was rushed to hospital in critical condition - but sadly passed away on Monday (August 17).

[…]

That’s pretty sad.

But what really got me raising an eyebrow is this:

“I don’t think it’s fair somebody dies like this no matter what the problem was, what happened. Nobody has the right to kill someone,” her roommate Juan Rendon told KSBH TV.

WTF? Why would “Juan” even phrase it that way? I wonder what he thinks is a “fair” way for someone to be murdered?

I hope I’m not being too pedantic here, as perhaps the roommate is just in shock.

But I also wonder how people, especially younger people, today are looking at the world and processing everything that is going on.

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Decatur Deb  Aug 18, 2015 • 2:26:34am

re: #207 freetoken

Lots of horrible people in this country doing horrible things:

Trans woman killed after being repeatedly run over

That’s pretty sad.

But what really got me raising an eyebrow is this:

WTF? Why would “Juan” even phrase it that way? I wonder what he thinks is a “fair” way for someone to be murdered?

I hope I’m not being too pedantic here, as perhaps the roommate is just in shock.

But I also wonder how people, especially younger people, today are looking at the world and processing everything that is going on.

Horrible enough, but the expression can refer to “in this state of human affairs” rather than “through a less-than-optimal method”. Just a language construct.

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Decatur Deb  Aug 18, 2015 • 2:32:48am

For clarity:

“Honey, I hate to see you cry like this” doesn’t mean: “I want you to cry an octave higher, and with less tremolo.”

(Unless, of course, the speaker is directing Cho-Cho-San.)

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Aug 18, 2015 • 3:37:56am

Between my Catholic upbringing and the Campus Crusade for Christ in my college days, I was totally unreceptive to anything to do with Christianity. It took some time until I met people who sincerely live Christianity without being preachy or hypocritical about it.

Not enough to convert me, but enough to change my opinion about what that religion can be.

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freetoken  Aug 18, 2015 • 4:46:56am

Anyone surprised?

Hannity defends Trump’s immigration plan

No, I didn’t think so.

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CleverToad  Aug 18, 2015 • 4:50:06am

re: #210 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

There are people who live their faith, enough of them to give one hope for one’s faith.
They’re not the loud ones.

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freetoken  Aug 18, 2015 • 4:50:42am

Trump is a winner among the GOP:

Post-debate, Trump pulls clear of competition

[…]

The survey finds Trump with the support of 24% of Republican registered voters. His nearest competitor, former Florida Gov. Jeb Bush, stands 11 points behind at 13%. Just behind Bush, retired neurosurgeon Ben Carson has 9%, Florida Sen. Marco Rubio and Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker 8%, Kentucky Sen. Rand Paul 6%, Texas Sen. Ted Cruz, former tech CEO Carly Fiorina and Ohio Gov. John Kasich all land at 5%, with former Arkansas Gov. Mike Huckabee rounding out the top 10 at 4%.

Trump is the biggest gainer in the poll, up 6 points since July according to the first nationwide CNN/ORC poll since the top candidates debated in Cleveland on Aug. 6. Carson gained 5 points and Fiorina 4 points. Trump has also boosted his favorability numbers among Republicans, 58% have a favorable view of Trump now, that figure stood at 50% in the July survey.

[…]

Note also that Christie has dropped out of the top 10, replaced by the person who ruined HP.

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freetoken  Aug 18, 2015 • 4:52:18am

The more extreme Trump gets, the better his favorability among the GOP.

Who could have guessed?

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freetoken  Aug 18, 2015 • 4:52:27am

Yeah, you could.

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freetoken  Aug 18, 2015 • 4:55:39am
On the economy and illegal immigration, Trump is far and away the top choice even among those Republicans who support someone else for the nomination (33% who say they will most likely vote for someone else say Trump is their most trusted on the economy, 29% say so on illegal immigration). Trump is also most trusted on social issues, 19% say he’s their top choice to handle that. Bush follows at 15%.

Nothing sells in an election quite like xenophobia.

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Timothy Watson  Aug 18, 2015 • 5:17:58am

re: #216 freetoken

Geez, you have to imagine how fucking stupid/crazy those people are if Trump is their “most trusted on the economy”.

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Decatur Deb  Aug 18, 2015 • 5:35:48am

re: #210 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

Between my Catholic upbringing and the Campus Crusade for Christ in my college days, I was totally unreceptive to anything to do with Christianity. It took some time until I met people who sincerely live Christianity without being preachy or hypocritical about it.

Not enough to convert me, but enough to change my opinion about what that religion can be.

Two interesting groups of people:
en.wikipedia.org
en.wikipedia.org

Their paths crossed one night when the Klan shot up the farm’s produce stand, which was being guarded by the visiting CW honcho.

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The Vicious Babushka  Aug 18, 2015 • 5:36:15am

Some genius at my cellular provider thought it would be a great idea to send “Amber Alerts” to all subscribers in the area.

Except, genius, I can’t look at text message on my phone while I’m driving, and if I get the message while I’m not driving how am I going to spot that tan Chevy Tahoe that you sent me the license number?

Meanwhile in my pocket while I’m driving the phone beeps and beeps and beeps.

Send the message to the SYNC console!

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The Vicious Babushka  Aug 18, 2015 • 5:37:35am
Send the message to the SYNC console!

That only works for vehicles that have SYNC, obvs.

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lawhawk  Aug 18, 2015 • 5:45:59am

So, now the right is interested in protecting the environment? Where were they when West Texas blew up? Or these mines collected all of this waste in the first place and did nothing to keep it from spoiling the environment, leaving it up to the EPA to attempt to clean it up?

And now they’re concerned about the Navajo Nation? Seriously?

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The Vicious Babushka  Aug 18, 2015 • 5:48:18am

re: #221 lawhawk

So, now the right is interested in protecting the environment? Where were they when West Texas blew up? Or these mines collected all of this waste in the first place and did nothing to keep it from spoiling the environment, leaving it up to the EPA to attempt to clean it up?

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And now they’re concerned about the Navajo Nation? Seriously?

They only pretend to give a shit when LIBRULS!!!!1!! or HURR HURR DEMOCRATS!!!!!!! can be blamed.

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lawhawk  Aug 18, 2015 • 6:02:02am

Re: the BS in the televangelists talking about cancer and that only paying them will somehow save you from the effects of cancer.

This is complete and utter bullshit. And it robs people desperate for anything to cling on to when facing serious illnesses, including cancer.

Sure, having a positive outlook can help when addressing illnesses. The problem is that sending a televangelist money isn’t going to make you better. It’s just going to drain your bank account.

And the IRS is pretty much powerless to stop all this because the audit system is broken and the GOP is doing all it can to make sure that it doesn’t improve. It means that entities can skirt existing IRS rules and regulations, forcing everyone else to pay more.

These are grifters who are in dire need of being outed and prosecuted for tax evasion and yet, there’s little that the IRS is able to do to prosecute these cases because of the lack of resources to do it.

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darthstar  Aug 18, 2015 • 6:21:09am
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Doofus  Aug 18, 2015 • 6:28:09am

Robot Olympics fail compilation.

…

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aagcobb  Aug 18, 2015 • 6:29:58am

re: #211 freetoken

Anyone surprised?

Hannity defends Trump’s immigration plan

No, I didn’t think so.

Trumps plan would cost in the range of $2 trillion from the expense of deporting 11 million+ people and the massive drop in US GDP, so if course Hannity thinks its brilliant.

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Aug 18, 2015 • 6:42:46am

re: #226 aagcobb

Trumps plan would cost in the range of $2 trillion from the expense of deporting 11 million+ people and the massive drop in US GDP, so if course Hannity thinks its brilliant.

We could easily save that much by cutting food stamps…

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ObserverArt  Aug 18, 2015 • 6:49:19am

It appears that The Donald is now the Pied Piper of the GOP. He plays a little tune on his flute and all the rats get up and follow.

What if he leads them all down a bad road and decides to quit? Will the rats be able to find their way back?

I wonder if all of the 16(?) other candidates have their political teams trained on watching and listening to everything Trump says and does and then plan their next move based on what he is doing.

In other words…I am not seeing a lot of leading out of the GOP candidates. Not a good demonstration for people looking for a leader.

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darthstar  Aug 18, 2015 • 6:51:31am

But he was supposed to fizzle out like a cheap sparkler dipped in a bucket of water!

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The Vicious Babushka  Aug 18, 2015 • 6:53:20am

DUMBEST TWEET OF THE DAY==>
“That system” is called “Single Payer”

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SteveMcGaziBolaGate  Aug 18, 2015 • 6:53:57am

JFnC, first tRump pulls away, now SportsCenter is interviewing a professional wrestler.

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darthstar  Aug 18, 2015 • 6:56:57am
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freetoken  Aug 18, 2015 • 6:57:08am

re: #231 SteveMcGaziBolaGate

JFnC, first tRump pulls away, now SportsCenter is interviewing a professional wrestler.

ESPN started to warm up to WWE earlier this year, after eschewing them for a couple of years.

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darthstar  Aug 18, 2015 • 6:59:00am

re: #232 darthstar

I find the best way to deal with Jesus freak trolls is to remind them how right they are in their own minds.

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SteveMcGaziBolaGate  Aug 18, 2015 • 6:59:57am

re: #232 darthstar

Atheist doesn’t have to explain it. Neither does a believer. Worry about your own beliefs.

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SteveMcGaziBolaGate  Aug 18, 2015 • 7:00:57am

re: #227 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

We could easily save that much by cutting food stamps…

…and if we stopped buying all that ISIS oil.

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Nyet  Aug 18, 2015 • 7:02:57am

re: #232 darthstar

“We don’t understand how the world originated” != “Goddidit”

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 18, 2015 • 7:04:40am

The bomb was in a backpack.

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Nyet  Aug 18, 2015 • 7:05:21am

re: #235 SteveMcGaziBolaGate

Atheist doesn’t have to explain it. Neither does a believer. Worry about your own beliefs.

An atheist doesn’t necessarily make any claim as to the ultimate origins. A believer does.

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aagcobb  Aug 18, 2015 • 7:07:43am

re: #232 darthstar

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Central fallacy of this kind of thinking is that if your answer for how the universe came into existence is God, it begs the question of how God came into existence. If your answer to that is that God just is, then I have to ask why that answer isn’t good enough for the universe.

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SteveMcGaziBolaGate  Aug 18, 2015 • 7:10:35am

It’s one thing to have a discussion, but nobody HAS to explain anything.

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Nyet  Aug 18, 2015 • 7:11:52am

re: #240 aagcobb

They will just say that unlike God, the Universe began to exist, which means it needs a cause, unlike God. When pointed out that the cycle may have been infinite they’ll bring up some fallacious argument as to why actual infinity is impossible. IOW, the Kalam argument.

Of course the whole Kalam argument is predicated on the A-theory of time, whereas relativity seems to be more compatible with the B-theory (in which the spacetime is static and just is).

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lawhawk  Aug 18, 2015 • 7:12:00am
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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Aug 18, 2015 • 7:12:37am

re: #236 SteveMcGaziBolaGate

…and if we stopped buying all that ISIS oil.

if we took all that Iraqi oil to pay for our veterans

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Nyet  Aug 18, 2015 • 7:13:01am

re: #241 SteveMcGaziBolaGate

It’s one thing to have a discussion, but nobody HAS to explain anything.

Relax, nobody is going to prison for refusing that clarification request.

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ObserverArt  Aug 18, 2015 • 7:13:09am

re: #233 freetoken

ESPN started to warm up to WWE earlier this year, after eschewing them for a couple of years.

That would be covered under the “E” part of Entertainment and Sports Programming Network.

I very seldom watch ESPN anymore for any of their own programming. I will watch them for a game they are covering, and that is bad enough.

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Eventual Carrion  Aug 18, 2015 • 7:17:06am

re: #179 BeachDem

Wait, I thought George Zimmerman was broke, homeless and in debt?

Now, out of the goodness of his black, rotten heart, he’s going to help the racist owner of the “Muslim-free” gunshop in Florida. It’s a match made in hell.

George Zimmerman is partnering with the owner of a “Muslim-free” gun store in Florida by selling Confederate flag prints online, WKMG-TV reported.

An announcement on the Florida Gun Supply website stated that Zimmerman and owner Andy Hallinan would be splitting the proceeds from selling the $50 prints for “legal funds, living expenses, and advancing their mission to change the country.”

rawstory.com

Spit.

Racist, treasonous bootstraps.

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freetoken  Aug 18, 2015 • 7:17:43am

re: #246 ObserverArt

Ratings deterioration among the cable companies is forcing them to compromise more. There’s just too many options for the customer of television, and channels thus get fewer viewers.

As more sports go “over the top” with their own subscription video feeds, I suspect ESPN will be even more pressed to come up with their own “sports” to fill their time slots.

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LastYearsMan  Aug 18, 2015 • 7:18:16am

Jesus Christ was not a Capitalist.

I don’t see how anyone who reads the Bible could think otherwise.

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Nyet  Aug 18, 2015 • 7:19:17am

re: #249 LastYearsMan

Jesus Christ was not a Capitalist.

I don’t see how anyone who reads the Bible could think otherwise.

Or a communist. Or a liberal.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 18, 2015 • 7:19:31am

WICHITA, Kan. - Police say a man is in custody after he brought a small improvised explosive device into a women’s health care clinic that provides abortions in south-central Kansas.

Wichita Police Department spokesman Doug Nolte says officers responded to the South Wind Women’s Center around 3:30 p.m. Monday. He says on-site security inspected a backpack the man brought in and found knives and the explosive device.

Officials told CBS affiliate KWCH in Wichita that the suspect was also carrying a small box wrapped in tape.

Clinic staff evacuated the building, and a bomb squad was called to remove the backpack. No injuries were reported.

Nolte says police are investigating whether the man intended to harm the clinic.

well, duh…

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Decatur Deb  Aug 18, 2015 • 7:19:38am

re: #225 Doofus

Robot Olympics fail compilation.

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Video

What can you expect from the T-100 series?

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freetoken  Aug 18, 2015 • 7:22:12am

re: #249 LastYearsMan

Jesus Christ was not a Capitalist.

I don’t see how anyone who reads the Bible could think otherwise.

Ahem…

14 “For it will be like a man going on a journey, who called his servants[a] and entrusted to them his property. 15 To one he gave five talents, to another two, to another one, to each according to his ability. Then he went away. 16 He who had received the five talents went at once and traded with them, and he made five talents more. 17 So also he who had the two talents made two talents more. 18 But he who had received the one talent went and dug in the ground and hid his master’s money. 19 Now after a long time the master of those servants came and settled accounts with them. 20 And he who had received the five talents came forward, bringing five talents more, saying, ‘Master, you delivered to me five talents; here I have made five talents more.’ 21 His master said to him, ‘Well done, good and faithful servant.[c] You have been faithful over a little; I will set you over much. Enter into the joy of your master.’ 22 And he also who had the two talents came forward, saying, ‘Master, you delivered to me two talents; here I have made two talents more.’ 23 His master said to him, ‘Well done, good and faithful servant. You have been faithful over a little; I will set you over much. Enter into the joy of your master.’ 24 He also who had received the one talent came forward, saying, ‘Master, I knew you to be a hard man, reaping where you did not sow, and gathering where you scattered no seed, 25 so I was afraid, and I went and hid your talent in the ground. Here you have what is yours.’ 26 But his master answered him, ‘You wicked and slothful servant! You knew that I reap where I have not sown and gather where I scattered no seed? 27 Then you ought to have invested my money with the bankers, and at my coming I should have received what was my own with interest. 28 So take the talent from him and give it to him who has the ten talents. 29 For to everyone who has will more be given, and he will have an abundance. But from the one who has not, even what he has will be taken away. 30 And cast the worthless servant into the outer darkness. In that place there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.’

…. just sayin’ …

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LastYearsMan  Aug 18, 2015 • 7:24:01am

re: #250 Nyet

At least Jesus said a few things that might resonate with Communism. But he was pretty much directly opposed to anything resembling capitalism.

Nikos Kazantzakis’s “The Greek Passion” is a favorite book of mine, about a small Greek town trying to put on a Passion play, when the guy playing Christ starts taking things a little too seriously.

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Franklin  Aug 18, 2015 • 7:25:53am

re: #230 The Vicious Babushka

DUMBEST TWEET OF THE DAY==>
“That system” is called “Single Payer”

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What a maroon. In order to do this:

1) Decrease medical costs
2) Increase wages
3) Move to single payer

Obamacare is taking care of #1 and the Republican party is opposed to #2 and #3.

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Teukka  Aug 18, 2015 • 7:26:06am

re: #253 freetoken

Ahem…
[Parable of Talents]
…. just sayin’ …

As it is a parable, the meaning is not direct. The talents (or minas) are most likely symbolism for the valuable word of God.

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SteveMcGaziBolaGate  Aug 18, 2015 • 7:26:14am

re: #253 freetoken

They were big on parables in those days.

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lawhawk  Aug 18, 2015 • 7:26:50am

Trump says dance. And everyone dances.

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Aug 18, 2015 • 7:26:57am

re: #253 freetoken

Ahem…

…. just sayin’ …

What is this, some kind of talent show?

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SteveMcGaziBolaGate  Aug 18, 2015 • 7:27:07am

However, He was pretty clear with the Beatitudes.

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LastYearsMan  Aug 18, 2015 • 7:27:15am

Rich man, eye of the needle.

Deny your family and follow me. Etc. Etc. etc.

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The Vicious Babushka  Aug 18, 2015 • 7:27:47am

re: #253 freetoken

Ahem…

…. just sayin’ …

The Talents parable is, um, a parable not an economics lesson.

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lawhawk  Aug 18, 2015 • 7:27:48am

re: #247 Eventual Carrion

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 18, 2015 • 7:28:06am

re: #258 lawhawk

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Trump says dance. And everyone dances.

So, Bobby is going to self-deport now?

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Teukka  Aug 18, 2015 • 7:28:14am

re: #259 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

What is this, some kind of talent show?

*groan*

Parables are such a minafield *ducks*

Seriously tho, I think that investing in the talents, or Word of God in this symbolism is either re-interpreting the words or putting them into action.

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SteveMcGaziBolaGate  Aug 18, 2015 • 7:28:59am

re: #263 lawhawk

Maybe he needs the gun shop to help him sell pins.

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Decatur Deb  Aug 18, 2015 • 7:30:22am

re: #258 lawhawk

Bobby Jindal calls for end to birthright citizenship

Trump says dance. And everyone dances.

Shorter Jindal: “I want to be the last mofo birthright president.”

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Lidane  Aug 18, 2015 • 7:31:15am

re: #258 lawhawk

Bobby Jindal is a fucking moron. If we didn’t have birthright citizenship, he wouldn’t be a citizen. Neither would Marco Rubio.

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Decatur Deb  Aug 18, 2015 • 7:31:17am

re: #262 The Vicious Babushka

The Talents parable is, um, a parable not an economics lesson.

And the ‘capitalist’ admits to being a thief/raider.

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Nyet  Aug 18, 2015 • 7:31:42am

re: #256 Teukka

As it is a parable, the meaning is not direct. The talents (or minas) are most likely symbolism for the valuable word of God.

re: #262 The Vicious Babushka

The Talents parable is, um, a parable not an economics lesson.

Yes, we all know it’s a parable.

And Jesus wouldn’t base a parable on something that he thought was bad.

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Nyet  Aug 18, 2015 • 7:33:00am

re: #253 freetoken

Then there’s this Randian bit:

When the disciples saw this, they were indignant. “Why this waste?” they asked. “This perfume could have been sold at a high price and the money given to the poor.”

Aware of this, Jesus said to them, “Why are you bothering this woman? She has done a beautiful thing to me. The poor you will always have with you,a but you will not always have me.

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lawhawk  Aug 18, 2015 • 7:33:09am

re: #268 Lidane

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Dr Lizardo  Aug 18, 2015 • 7:33:31am

re: #238 Backwoods_Sleuth

That’s not the best photo of the Bangkok bombing suspect - it’s sort of blurry - but he looks like a Caucasian more than anything, at least to my eyes.

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Decatur Deb  Aug 18, 2015 • 7:34:32am

re: #271 Nyet

Then there’s this Randian bit:

“I promised you a messiah. I didn’t say he wouldn’t be a dick.”

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Nyet  Aug 18, 2015 • 7:34:40am

re: #254 LastYearsMan

At least Jesus said a few things that might resonate with Communism. But he was pretty much directly opposed to anything resembling capitalism.

As the quotes above show, everybody makes Jesus in their own image. You can find both communist and capitalist, liberal and conservative quotes.

The truth is that none of those labels would apply to anyone from that era.

Moreover, we don’t know what the actual Jesus - if he existed - taught. The gospels are unreliable and contradictory accounts (which is why you can cite different places to support contradictory views), and the most we can glean from them is that he was probably an apocalyptic preacher (sort of like the guys that stand on the corners and scream about the nearing end - just the Jewish 1st century version).

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freetoken  Aug 18, 2015 • 7:36:09am

re: #269 Decatur Deb

And the ‘capitalist’ admits to being a thief/raider.

Not really. There is the owner, and three servants. Two of the servants invest, one just hides the money. The owner praises the first two and condemns the last one. That in the condemnation the owner repeats what servant #3 states he believes is not the owner saying that allegation is true, but rather that even servant #3 truly doesn’t believe what he is saying, because if he truly believed that then there was another more logical choice of actions.

There’s no way around this: The parable of the talents is based on private property and profit, to illustrate something else, yes, but not to condemn property and profit but to exploit the general positive belief in property and profit to then transpose that onto more ethereal goals.

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Jayleia  Aug 18, 2015 • 7:36:26am

re: #207 freetoken

WTF? Why would “Juan” even phrase it that way? I wonder what he thinks is a “fair” way for someone to be murdered?

I hope I’m not being too pedantic here, as perhaps the roommate is just in shock.

But I also wonder how people, especially younger people, today are looking at the world and processing everything that is going on.

Based on the second sentence “Nobody has the right to kill someone”, I’d say he doesn’t think there’s a fair way to murder someone, if it were an accident, disease or something like that, it would feel different, tragic but natural.

Not artfully phrased, but I definitely understand that sentiment.

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ObserverArt  Aug 18, 2015 • 7:36:47am

re: #248 freetoken

Ratings deterioration among the cable companies is forcing them to compromise more. There’s just too many options for the customer of television, and channels thus get fewer viewers.

As more sports go “over the top” with their own subscription video feeds, I suspect ESPN will be even more pressed to come up with their own “sports” to fill their time slots.

Very similar to the problem with news media. Everyone is so worried about ratings they can’t say anything that would cost them one viewer. That leads to no real news coverage, no real editorials, etc. Just bland coverage of everything with no real detail or facts. Facts mean someone is pinned down on something they said or did and we can’t have that.

Remember when many thought all those channels would be great.

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Decatur Deb  Aug 18, 2015 • 7:37:38am

re: #276 freetoken

Not really. There is the owner, and three servants. Two of the servants invest, one just hides the money. The owner praises the first two and condemns the last one. That in the condemnation the owner repeats what servant #3 states he believes is not the owner saying that allegation is true, but rather that even servant #3 truly doesn’t believe what he is saying, because if he truly believed that then there was another more logical choice of actions.

There’s no way around this: The parable of the talents is based on private property and profit, to illustrate something else, yes, but not to condemn property and profit but to exploit the general positive belief in property and profit to then transpose that onto more ethereal goals.

This part:

26 But his master answered him, ‘You wicked and slothful servant! You knew that I reap where I have not sown and gather where I scattered no seed?

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Nyet  Aug 18, 2015 • 7:37:44am

Quiz time: He who does not work, neither shall he eat.

Is this principle:

a) communist or
b) capitalist?

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freetoken  Aug 18, 2015 • 7:38:12am

Brock Lesnar is on ESPN today… but then again Brock Lesnar is a cross-over sports/entertainer.

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Jayleia  Aug 18, 2015 • 7:40:20am

re: #281 freetoken

He can beat the shit out of me any day of the week, so I shouldn’t say this…he wasn’t that great at UFC, right?

And he is a boring asshole (a DANGEROUS one at that) as a wrestler…so he lacks both the sportsmanship and the entertainment.

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freetoken  Aug 18, 2015 • 7:40:41am

re: #279 Decatur Deb

This part:

26 But his master answered him, ‘You wicked and slothful servant! You knew that I reap where I have not sown and gather where I scattered no seed?

Yes, and notice the question mark at the end.

As presented, the owner is simply repeating what servant #3 claims.

Although some teachers/preachers want it to make as if the owner is owning up to the truth of his greedy and onerous ways, that is not how the passage literally reads. The owner is belittling servant #3 for not doing what is even the simplest course of action, if indeed that servant truly believed what he said.

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freetoken  Aug 18, 2015 • 7:41:12am

re: #282 Jayleia

Well, Lesnar was the UFC champion.

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Jayleia  Aug 18, 2015 • 7:42:27am

re: #284 freetoken

See, I know nothing about UFC, only thing I knew about him as a UFC fighter was opinions from other people…wrestling, I know more about.

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Decatur Deb  Aug 18, 2015 • 7:43:36am

re: #283 freetoken

Yes, and notice the question mark at the end.

As presented, the owner is simply repeating what servant #3 claims.

Although some teachers/preachers want it to make as if the owner is owning up to the truth of his greedy and onerous ways, that is not how the passage literally reads. The owner is belittling servant #3 for not doing what is even the simplest course of action, if indeed that servant truly believed what he said.

How did the first writers of the texts indicate a question?

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Nyet  Aug 18, 2015 • 7:45:00am

re: #286 Decatur Deb

Some grammatical structure, I suppose.

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Aug 18, 2015 • 7:45:00am

re: #280 Nyet

Quiz time: He who does not work, neither shall he eat.

Is this principle:

a) communist or
b) capitalist?

Under socialism, social parasitism is a crime. Under capitalism, it is a virtue.

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Nyet  Aug 18, 2015 • 7:48:20am

re: #286 Decatur Deb

Thou knewest (ἤδεις), etc. Out of his own mouth he judges him (Luke 19:22). He repeats the slave’s words, in which he expressed his notion of his lord’s character and practice, and deduces therefrom the inconsistency of his action, without deigning to defend himself from the calumny, except, perhaps, by the use of ἤδεις, which gives a hypothetical notion to the assumed knowledge. “You knew, you say.” Some editors place a mark of interrogation at the end of the clause, which seems unnecessary.

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lawhawk  Aug 18, 2015 • 7:48:40am

re: #280 Nyet

Quiz time: He who does not work, neither shall he eat.

Is this principle:

a) communist or
b) capitalist?

It’s a bug/feature depending on your point of view.

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Nyet  Aug 18, 2015 • 7:49:04am

re: #289 Nyet

Thou knowest that I reap where I sowed not, and gather where I have not strawed: not granting that he was such an one, and that his servant knew him to be such, and had given a true character of him; but supposing he was such a person he had wickedly represented him to be; he turns the argument upon him, that therefore he must needs know, that he expected to have had his money improved, and to have received it with an increase; and that upon such a consideration he ought to have been the more diligent and industrious, in using and improving his talent, and not to have indulged sloth, and idleness; and thus he convicts, judges, and condemns him, as a wicked, slothful servant, by his own words.

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Mattand  Aug 18, 2015 • 7:49:11am

re: #228 ObserverArt

The fact that Christie is now doing the “Gut the 14th Amendment” Saint Vitus’ dance is absolute proof that Trump is in utter control.

To the best of my knowledge, Christie has never really shown any interest in this. I can’t see how he could, given that there’s probably thousands of families in NJ that would be ripped apart by this.

Now? Trump could call for separate but equal at this point and Christie would be all “Me, too!”

It’s really pathetic. I almost feel sorry for Christie. Trump stole the one defining characteristic that set Christie apart from the pack: being a loudmouthed belligerent jerk. Now he’s desperately picking up the crumbs that Trump drops on the floor.

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ObserverArt  Aug 18, 2015 • 7:49:33am

re: #280 Nyet

Quiz time: He who does not work, neither shall he eat.

Is this principle:

a) communist or
b) capitalist?

c)existentialist

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Nyet  Aug 18, 2015 • 7:50:11am

Basically it depends on how you define “work”, but I think we understand how the same wording can be used both by hardcore commies and hardcore capitalists.

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Nyet  Aug 18, 2015 • 7:50:24am

re: #293 ObserverArt

d) Nihilist

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Decatur Deb  Aug 18, 2015 • 7:51:35am

re: #291 Nyet

Servant is definitely a slug. Still suspect the master runs a payday loan.

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The Vicious Babushka  Aug 18, 2015 • 7:51:52am

re: #294 Nyet

Basically it depends on how you define “work”, but I think we understand how the same wording can be used both by hardcore commies and hardcore capitalists.

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Nyet  Aug 18, 2015 • 7:52:37am

re: #296 Decatur Deb

Well, the master is meant to represent Jesus, so make of it what you will ;)

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Decatur Deb  Aug 18, 2015 • 7:54:28am

re: #298 Nyet

Well, the master is meant to represent Jesus, so make of it what you will ;)

littlegreenfootballs.com

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Higgs Boson's Mate  Aug 18, 2015 • 7:55:08am

re: #258 lawhawk

Did Jindal also announce that he was withdrawing his candidacy? No? Is the concept of hypocrisy dead as well?

It would be nice if this helped us in the coming election. Fact is, the only way that Jindal could have emerged as the nominee was through a series of Kind Hearts and Coronets “unfortunate incidents.”

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The Vicious Babushka  Aug 18, 2015 • 7:57:00am
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Decatur Deb  Aug 18, 2015 • 7:58:16am

re: #301 The Vicious Babushka

Carly Fiorina says federal government shouldn’t set a minimum wage

How about a maximum wage, then?

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Mattand  Aug 18, 2015 • 7:59:28am

re: #292 Mattand

I’m also really very upset by the fact that one of our two major political parties is now basically calling for the Constitution to be re-written to keep out non-Caucasians (if we’re really being honest here.)

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lawhawk  Aug 18, 2015 • 8:00:35am

re: #301 The Vicious Babushka

So says the woman who got a golden parachute for nearly destroying HP and Lucent.

No minimum wage there. Just lots of money thrown her way to get rid of her incompetence and malfeasance in cooking the books.

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The Vicious Babushka  Aug 18, 2015 • 8:03:09am

re: #304 lawhawk

So says the woman who got a golden parachute for nearly destroying HP and Lucent.

No minimum wage there. Just lots of money thrown her way to get rid of her incompetence and malfeasance in cooking the books.

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freetoken  Aug 18, 2015 • 8:03:27am

re: #286 Decatur Deb

How did the first writers of the texts indicate a question?

The original wouldn’t even have been written in minuscules, and the earliest copies we have wouldn’t have had hardly any punctuation as we know it today.

The question mark is put in there by the ESV translators so English readers can understand what was written.

The parable is repeated in Luke, but with more embellishment. There it is clear that the parable concept is about God and the Kingdom of God and that the rewards of the Kingdom are not intended to be immediate (at that time, near Jerusalem).

The only way the parallelism between the owner and God makes sense if indeed the actions of the owner are a type of what it is expected God to do when the Kingdom comes.

Thus it is very contradictory to (almost all, perhaps not really all) the descriptions of the Hebrew and Christian scriptures to ascribe to God as being greedy or a hard master.

This runs counter to some teaching, I realize, in some socially liberal Christian circles. But in this case I think the fundamentalists have owned up to the prima facie meaning of the writings.

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Aug 18, 2015 • 8:03:30am

re: #303 Mattand

I’m also really very upset by the fact that one of our two major political parties is now basically calling for the Constitution to be re-written to keep out non-Caucasians (if we’re really being honest here.)

I would have no problem with amending the Constitution to allow birthright citizenship only to children of legal resident immigrants.

But ONLY if it were part of a fair and just package of comprehensive immigration reform.

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lawhawk  Aug 18, 2015 • 8:03:38am

re: #300 Higgs Boson’s Mate

He hasn’t withdrawn, but as far as I can tell, he’s polling well within the MOE at 0.7% (avg on RCP), which means it’s hard to know whether he in fact is in the race at all.

Meanwhile, here in NJ, the polls suggest Christie isn’t doing much better. Though I’ll have to say that at least on the Gateway tunnel, he’s doing better than Cuomo who doesn’t even want to meet with federal officials to get some kind of financing/funding in place to expand Hudson River tunnel capacity in/out of NY Penn and address the crumbling tunnels that are likely to result in shutdowns/limited service in coming months/years to come.

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Nyet  Aug 18, 2015 • 8:03:44am

This one is neither capitalist, nor communist (since both emphasize work, in different ways) but rather, for lack of a better word, stoner:

25 “Therefore I tell you, do not worry about your life, what you will eat or drink; or about your body, what you will wear. Is not life more than food, and the body more than clothes? 26 Look at the birds of the air; they do not sow or reap or store away in barns, and yet your heavenly Father feeds them. Are you not much more valuable than they? 27 Can any one of you by worrying add a single hour to your life?

28 “And why do you worry about clothes? See how the flowers of the field grow. They do not labor or spin. 29 Yet I tell you that not even Solomon in all his splendor was dressed like one of these.

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Decatur Deb  Aug 18, 2015 • 8:03:44am

re: #304 lawhawk

So says the woman who got a golden parachute for nearly destroying HP and Lucent.

No minimum wage there. Just lots of money thrown her way to get rid of her incompetence and malfeasance in cooking the books.

Paying for scarcity. The ability to fuck up on that scale is a rare talent.

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Nyet  Aug 18, 2015 • 8:05:42am

re: #306 freetoken

Liberal Christians are trying to put new wine in old skins.

The gospel Jesus had something to say about that too.

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The Vicious Babushka  Aug 18, 2015 • 8:06:39am

STUPIDEST MEME OF THE DAY==>
Tweeted by a liberal who should know better

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Decatur Deb  Aug 18, 2015 • 8:06:40am

re: #309 Nyet

This one is neither capitalist, nor communist (since both emphasize work, in different ways) but rather, for lack of a better word, stoner:

What is the life expectancy of a fully-laden sparrow?

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Mattand  Aug 18, 2015 • 8:11:13am

re: #308 lawhawk

He hasn’t withdrawn, but as far as I can tell, he’s polling well within the MOE at 0.7% (avg on RCP), which means it’s hard to know whether he in fact is in the race at all.

Meanwhile, here in NJ, the polls suggest Christie isn’t doing much better. Though I’ll have to say that at least on the Gateway tunnel, he’s doing better than Cuomo who doesn’t even want to meet with federal officials to get some kind of financing/funding in place to expand Hudson River tunnel capacity in/out of NY Penn and address the crumbling tunnels that are likely to result in shutdowns/limited service in coming months/years to come.

I really don’t understand what bug is Cuomo’s ass about this. Correct me if I’m wrong, but as much as NYC hates NJ in general, don’t they benefit from us coming over there paying taxes, doing business, being tourists, etc? Aka spending money in their damn city and state?

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Nyet  Aug 18, 2015 • 8:11:20am

re: #312 The Vicious Babushka

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Nyet  Aug 18, 2015 • 8:11:35am

re: #315 Nyet

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aagcobb  Aug 18, 2015 • 8:11:51am

re: #292 Mattand

The fact that Christie is now doing the “Gut the 14th Amendment” Saint Vitus’ dance is absolute proof that Trump is in utter control.

To the best of my knowledge, Christie has never really shown any interest in this. I can’t see how he could, given that there’s probably thousands of families in NJ that would be ripped apart by this.

Now? Trump could call for separate but equal at this point and Christie would be all “Me, too!”

It’s really pathetic. I almost feel sorry for Christie. Trump stole the one defining characteristic that set Christie apart from the pack: being a loudmouthed belligerent jerk. Now he’s desperately picking up the crumbs that Trump drops on the floor.

The GOP outreach program to Hispanics: “I will strip you of your citizenship and deport your ass!” Reince may be on suicide watch by now.

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Lidane  Aug 18, 2015 • 8:11:52am

I am still beyond stunned that we’ve got a major political party openly channeling the worst impulses of the xenophobes. Gutting birthright citizenship? Really?

This absolutely terrifies me. If that’s just the first proposal, what’s the end game? I don’t trust these people. I have no guarantee that they’re not going to find a way to try and strip citizenship from groups they don’t like if we start seriously taking the first step to amending the Constitution to end birthright citizenship.

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Nyet  Aug 18, 2015 • 8:12:20am

re: #316 Nyet

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Ian G.  Aug 18, 2015 • 8:12:36am

OT, but noticed something depressing today. On the Grand Teton National Park Facebook page, they recently did a post about the receding glaciers in the park. And sure enough, even there, the wingnut swarms appeared to babble about AL Gore, global cooling in the 70s, and the ice age and how “climate is always changing”. It’s enough to make one wonder if the Kochs or the Saudi government is paying Facebook trolls to monitor literally every page there is and launch a mass attack the moment someone suggests climate change is real.

I saw it on the Rocky Mountain National Park page too after heavy May snow delayed the opening of the main road through the park. That was picked up as “evidence” against climate change.

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Nyet  Aug 18, 2015 • 8:13:09am

Liberal antisemitism is the Thing That Should Not Be (h/t Metallica).

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Higgs Boson's Mate  Aug 18, 2015 • 8:13:15am

re: #312 The Vicious Babushka

500 trillion dollars? I guess they really did pay him off for that Allen Parsons Project thing.

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aagcobb  Aug 18, 2015 • 8:13:16am

re: #307 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

I would have no problem with amending the Constitution to allow birthright citizenship only to children of legal resident immigrants.

But ONLY if it were part of a fair and just package of comprehensive immigration reform.

Which should include much higher legal immigration and a much easier process to qualify.

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Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Aug 18, 2015 • 8:13:50am

In keeping with this thread’s topic, if you haven’t seen it I highly recommend watching “The Invention of Lying”. It’s a great comedy/satire dealing with the invention of religion.

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The Vicious Babushka  Aug 18, 2015 • 8:14:43am

re: #315 Nyet

[Embedded content]

Complete bullshit==>
skeptoid.com

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aagcobb  Aug 18, 2015 • 8:14:55am

re: #312 The Vicious Babushka

STUPIDEST MEME OF THE DAY==>
Tweeted by a liberal who should know better

[Embedded content]

This guy is a liberal? Protocols of the Elders of Zion much?

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Lidane  Aug 18, 2015 • 8:15:25am

re: #312 The Vicious Babushka

That’s almost a Dr. Evil meme. “$500 TRILLION DOLLARS!”

Some folks need to loosen the tinfoil.

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Timothy Watson  Aug 18, 2015 • 8:15:33am

re: #312 The Vicious Babushka

STUPIDEST MEME OF THE DAY==>
Tweeted by a liberal who should know better

[Embedded content]

How does someone even “own” a central bank?

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Mattand  Aug 18, 2015 • 8:15:47am

re: #318 Lidane

I am still beyond stunned that we’ve got a major political party openly channeling the worst impulses of the xenophobes. Gutting birthright citizenship? Really?

This absolutely terrifies me. If that’s just the first proposal, what’s the end game? I don’t trust these people. I have no guarantee that they’re not going to find a way to try and strip citizenship from groups they don’t like if we start seriously taking the first step to amending the Constitution over this.

This.

As I’ve said umpteen times before, what makes this worse is that our beloved independent voters never, ever pick up on this. The ones I know get angry when you point this out.

You present the evidence and they just look at you like you’re insane. A Trump presidency is a very real possibility, kids. If this country can put Bush Jr. in office twice, they can do it with Trump.

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The Vicious Babushka  Aug 18, 2015 • 8:15:53am

re: #326 aagcobb

This guy is a liberal? Protocols of the Elders of Zion much?

Miles Reed mostly retweets liberal memes. I was surprised to see this in his Twitter feed.

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Nyet  Aug 18, 2015 • 8:15:58am

Husband• Father• Musican• Drummer• Atheist• Liberal• Educated• Thirst for Life & Knowledge-not 4 Blood• Chef• Metal fan•We as Americans need to brake the Wheel

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Nyet  Aug 18, 2015 • 8:16:59am

The irony is that these guys will be voting for the son of a Holocaust survivor.

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Aug 18, 2015 • 8:17:37am

re: #317 aagcobb

The GOP outreach program to Hispanics: “I will strip you of your citizenship and deport your ass!” Reince may be on suicide watch by now.

Remember how many of these Hispanic voting citizens are descendants of people who came over illegally…

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aagcobb  Aug 18, 2015 • 8:17:47am

re: #318 Lidane

I am still beyond stunned that we’ve got a major political party openly channeling the worst impulses of the xenophobes. Gutting birthright citizenship? Really?

This absolutely terrifies me. If that’s just the first proposal, what’s the end game? I don’t trust these people. I have no guarantee that they’re not going to find a way to try and strip citizenship from groups they don’t like if we start seriously taking the first step to amending the Constitution to end birthright citizenship.

Imagine it; if you have to prove your parents were in the country legally at the time you were born to retain your citizenship, who knows how many tens of millions of people could get caught in that web. Its fascistic.

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Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Aug 18, 2015 • 8:18:19am

re: #316 Nyet

I will be voting for Bernie Sanders as a start. The Rothschild family isn’t giving any $$ to Bernie.

Some of the people at my local George Soros meeting tell me the Rothschild meetings are out of this world. But very hard to get into. Their family and money are everywhere, but you have to know the right people.
//////

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Aug 18, 2015 • 8:18:33am

re: #323 aagcobb

Which should include much higher legal immigration and a much easier process to qualify.

and amnesty

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aagcobb  Aug 18, 2015 • 8:19:10am

re: #320 Ian G.

OT, but noticed something depressing today. On the Grand Teton National Park Facebook page, they recently did a post about the receding glaciers in the park. And sure enough, even there, the wingnut swarms appeared to babble about AL Gore, global cooling in the 70s, and the ice age and how “climate is always changing”. It’s enough to make one wonder if the Kochs or the Saudi government is paying Facebook trolls to monitor literally every page there is and launch a mass attack the moment someone suggests climate change is real.

I saw it on the Rocky Mountain National Park page too after heavy May snow delayed the opening of the main road through the park. That was picked up as “evidence” against climate change.

The mass of wingnuts have been sufficiently brainwashed that no payments to them are necessary to cause them to swarm.

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The Vicious Babushka  Aug 18, 2015 • 8:20:01am

Scott Walker is introducing his Obamacare Replacement Plan in Twitter Memes

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Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Aug 18, 2015 • 8:20:32am

re: #258 lawhawk

Bobby Jindal calls for end to birthright citizenship

All the cool kids are doing it.

/

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makeitstop  Aug 18, 2015 • 8:20:57am

This is interesting: I was stalked by Donald Trump

Selina Scott tells about how creepy Trump really is, along with an anecdote about Princess Di and Trump also being creepy with her.

But this bit jumped out at me…

Trump’s recent run for the presidential candidacy has prompted Vanity Fair to republish a profile of him written in 1990. In this, his first wife, Ivana, is reported to have disclosed that his bedside reading material was a well-thumbed copy of Hitler’s prewar speeches.

We got ourselves a fucking Führer-in-training here.

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Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Aug 18, 2015 • 8:21:42am

re: #338 The Vicious Babushka

Scott Walker is introducing his Obamacare Replacement Plan in Twitter Memes

Freedom. Liberty. Less Government. Personal Responsibility. A Hand Up, Not a Hand Out. Free Market.

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ObserverArt  Aug 18, 2015 • 8:21:53am

re: #317 aagcobb

The GOP outreach program to Hispanics: “I will strip you of your citizenship and deport your ass!” Reince may be on suicide watch by now.

Reince has been seen a lot less lately. All he could offer is praise for Trump. What else is there? He can’t dump on Trump…his new leader.

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SteveMcGaziBolaGate  Aug 18, 2015 • 8:22:04am

I’m wondering whether people really understand capitalism. It doesn’t necessarily mean that the rich get richer and the poor get poorer. All it means is that the resources of the economy are privately held and that the owners of the resources make the decisions on how to allocate them. The consequences, like lavish wealth, poor people, pollution, are not necessarily part of the system. Those consequences are the result of corruption. You can have a capitalistic society in which companies clean up after themselves, the workers get paid fair wages, and the successful people don’t hold all of the wealth. It isn’t easy, but that goes for any system. Any economic system can have these results. Heck the Soviets polluted big time, still had starving people and still had some who held all the goodies.
The parable of the talents has nothing to do with capitalism, which wasn’t really a concept on those days. The master knew which employee was the most productive, and trusted him with the best (or most valuable inventory, whether it was used cars, the best iPhones, or the highest quality laxatives). The one he knew was least productive (i.e. his brother in law), got the least valuable stuff. Master goes to Disney World, comes back and congratulates the employees for doing good jobs, until he gets to the last one, who effectively did absolutely nothing while the master was away. The last one gives him some cock and bull story about being afraid of the master and the master is all like, WTF did you ever hear that idea? (See the question mark?) Go grab a bucket and clean the toilets because you’re not that useful.
The parable describes a two way relationship. The master has a responsibility to reward good workers. And workers have a responsibility to do good work. Nowhere in the parable does it say (or matter) who owned what resources, how they were allocated or regulated, because that is irrelevant.

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aagcobb  Aug 18, 2015 • 8:22:20am

re: #333 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

Remember how many of these Hispanic voting citizens are descendants of people who came over illegally…

Exactly. Do these candidates want to retroactively strip them of their citizenship? I wouldn’t assume not!

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HappyWarrior  Aug 18, 2015 • 8:22:31am

re: #258 lawhawk

[Embedded content]

Trump says dance. And everyone dances.

Isn’t that how he got his? Man he couldn’t be a more blatant pandering asshole.

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Decatur Deb  Aug 18, 2015 • 8:22:58am

re: #338 The Vicious Babushka

Scott Walker is introducing his Obamacare Replacement Plan in Twitter Memes

Huckabee is doing his as liturgical dance.

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Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Aug 18, 2015 • 8:23:01am

re: #341 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse

Freedom. Liberty. Less Government. Personal Responsibility. A Hand Up, Not a Hand Out. Free Market.

Sorry, I forgot. Medical Savings Accounts.

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makeitstop  Aug 18, 2015 • 8:23:30am

re: #342 ObserverArt

Reince has been seen a lot less lately. All he could offer is praise for Trump. What else is there? He can’t dump on Trump…his new leader owner.

FTFY

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SteveMcGaziBolaGate  Aug 18, 2015 • 8:24:01am

re: #315 Nyet

I can’t tell if that’s snark or not.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 18, 2015 • 8:24:55am

So how many GOP candidates have come out in favor of ending birthright citizenship now? This is just fucking insane.

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Aug 18, 2015 • 8:25:31am

re: #344 aagcobb

Exactly. Do these candidates want to retroactively strip them of their citizenship? I wouldn’t assume not!

I don’t think so, but the GOP is all but assuring that these descendants of illegal immigrants will totally turn their backs on the GOP.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 18, 2015 • 8:25:51am

re: #339 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse

All the cool kids are doing it.

/

I think Booby would embrace Jim Crow if he thought it made him look cool with the conservative crowd. He’s that craven of an opportunist.

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Timothy Watson  Aug 18, 2015 • 8:26:03am

re: #347 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse

Sorry, I forgot. Medical Savings Accounts.

I have a Flexible Spending Account, they’re nice if you want to avoid paying taxes on your copays, especially useful since I have a chronic condition (diabetes).

:)

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Decatur Deb  Aug 18, 2015 • 8:26:04am

re: #350 HappyWarrior

So how many GOP candidates have come out in favor of ending birthright citizenship now? This is just fucking insane.

Something like 8/17ths.

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Nyet  Aug 18, 2015 • 8:26:28am

re: #349 SteveMcGaziBolaGate

I can’t tell if that’s snark or not.

I can.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 18, 2015 • 8:26:44am

re: #354 Decatur Deb

Something like 8/17ths.

So just about half. Fuckin’ Christ and I think by the time the week is over it will be more.

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aagcobb  Aug 18, 2015 • 8:27:03am

re: #354 Decatur Deb

Something like 8/17ths.

Will any make a statement supporting birthright citizenship? I’m guessing not!

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Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Aug 18, 2015 • 8:27:05am

re: #350 HappyWarrior

So how many GOP candidates have come out in favor of ending birthright citizenship now? This is just fucking insane.

If you don’t favor ending birthright citizenship the terrorists win.

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Higgs Boson's Mate  Aug 18, 2015 • 8:27:24am

re: #329 Mattand

Consider that a Trump presidency would mean that one of the other hopefuls will dicker his or her way into the vice-presidency. Oh, boy! Fiorina is coming up fast on the inside and Cruz has already worn out three sets of knee pads in Trump’s presence. Whoever it is, they won’t be pretty.

Any Democrat who thinks that 2016 will be a walkover is whistling past the graveyard. Getting run over by a clown car can kill you.

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Charles Johnson  Aug 18, 2015 • 8:27:38am
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SteveMcGaziBolaGate  Aug 18, 2015 • 8:28:34am

re: #354 Decatur Deb

The other 9/17 are also, but nobody’s paying attention. I can see them jumping up and down waving their hands. Their mouths are moving but they make no sound. A lipreader tells me they’re saying “No more birthright citizenship! We said it before tRump, but nobody’s listening.”

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Lidane  Aug 18, 2015 • 8:28:39am

re: #334 aagcobb

Imagine it; if you have to prove your parents were in the country legally at the time you were born to retain your citizenship, who knows how many tens of millions of people could get caught in that web. Its fascistic.

Not only that, but imagine if they changed the rules to say that both your parents had to be legal citizens when they were born for you to be a citizen. That would immediately strip me of my citizenship, since my father was born in Mexico but became a naturalized American citizen when he was in high school.

These are not idle concerns. These people are deranged and I’m not going to trust them with something as basic as gutting birthright citizenship and letting them decide who is and who isn’t a citizen. No thanks.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 18, 2015 • 8:29:05am

re: #357 aagcobb

Will any make a statement supporting birthright citizenship? I’m guessing not!

If I had to bet, it would be one of Pataki, Kasich, or Graham.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 18, 2015 • 8:29:25am
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Higgs Boson's Mate  Aug 18, 2015 • 8:30:08am

re: #360 Charles Johnson

Donald Trump is leading the Republican Party around by the nose.

Yeah, Republicans just hate that.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 18, 2015 • 8:30:22am

Nothing like a New Yorker billionaire who no doubt has employed many undocumented people at some point to drive the GOP conversation on immigrant not just to the right but to the far right.

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freetoken  Aug 18, 2015 • 8:31:26am

re: #364 Backwoods_Sleuth

Is it really the “policy” of the Obama administration to “drill in the Arctic”?

It seems to me people are confusing following the law vs. a discretionary “policy”.

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aagcobb  Aug 18, 2015 • 8:31:48am

re: #351 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

I don’t think so, but the GOP is all but assuring that these descendants of illegal immigrants will totally turn their backs on the GOP.

Well, if their strategy is to argue that birthright citizenship never applied to the children of undocumented immigrants in the first place, because their parents are the equivalent of foreign soldiers in hostile occupation of US territory, then there is no reason not to apply it retroactively, because arguably all these people whose parents were undocumented immigrants weren’t citizens in the first place. And you know the GOP Base would love to deport as many Hispanics as they possibly can.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 18, 2015 • 8:32:03am

re: #363 HappyWarrior

If I had to bet, it would be one of Pataki, Kasich, or Graham.

Kasich has already said legalize the 12 million already here.

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aagcobb  Aug 18, 2015 • 8:33:30am

re: #363 HappyWarrior

If I had to bet, it would be one of Pataki, Kasich, or Graham.

And no-one will know because who is covering those losers anyway?

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HappyWarrior  Aug 18, 2015 • 8:34:10am

re: #369 Backwoods_Sleuth

Kasich has already said legalize the 12 million already here.

Which i think to his credit means he probably still supports birthright citizenship. I said Graham since Graham has a record of not being a dick on the issue. I remember his haters calling him Grahamesty and Pataki, a mere hunch given he called out some of the other extreme stuff. The others OTOH I don’t know. Frankly for me it’s really pathetic to see sons of immigrants like Jindal embrace this but then again Trump’s mother was an immigrant.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 18, 2015 • 8:34:36am

re: #367 freetoken

Is it really the “policy” of the Obama administration to “drill in the Arctic”?

It seems to me people are confusing following the law vs. a discretionary “policy”.

They’re probably talking about Obama administration approving Royal Dutch Shell to drill in the Arctic.

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Decatur Deb  Aug 18, 2015 • 8:34:41am

re: #369 Backwoods_Sleuth

Kasich has already said legalize the 12 million already here.

Forgot Jeb!’s stance, but the Freepers hate it, so it’s probably sane.

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Aug 18, 2015 • 8:34:43am

re: #368 aagcobb

Well, if their strategy is to argue that birthright citizenship never applied to the children of undocumented immigrants in the first place, because their parents are the equivalent of foreign soldiers in hostile occupation of US territory, then there is no reason not to apply it retroactively, because arguably all these people whose parents were undocumented immigrants weren’t citizens in the first place. And you know the GOP Base would love to deport as many Hispanics as they possibly can.

I am assuming (optimistically and rationally) that the end to birthright citizenship would only apply to those born after the laws are changed or amended, but yeah, there are lots of people who would love to see it made retroactive.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 18, 2015 • 8:34:46am

re: #370 aagcobb

And no-one will know because who is covering those losers anyway?

Yeah outside Kasich, they all got no chance. Kasich has a small chance but I don’t see him going anywhere.

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Higgs Boson's Mate  Aug 18, 2015 • 8:34:55am

re: #362 Lidane

Not only that, but imagine if they changed the rules to say that both your parents had to be legal citizens when they were born for you to be a citizen. That would immediately strip me of my citizenship, since my father was born in Mexico but became a naturalized American citizen in high school.

These are not idle concerns. These people are deranged and I’m not going to trust them with something as basic as gutting birthright citizenship and letting them decide who is and who isn’t a citizen. No thanks.

A measure stripping people of their existing citizenship would be an ex post facto law and, therefore, unconstitutional. OTOH, once you’ve decided to open the hood and start tinkering with the Constitution the sky’s the limit.

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lawhawk  Aug 18, 2015 • 8:35:08am

re: #314 Mattand

I really don’t understand what bug is Cuomo’s ass about this. Correct me if I’m wrong, but as much as NYC hates NJ in general, don’t they benefit from us coming over there paying taxes, doing business, being tourists, etc? Aka spending money in their damn city and state?

Cuomo’s got no interest in doing anything relating to mass transit. He had opportunity to build new Tappan Zee bridge with mass transit (heavy rail, light rail, bus rapid transit) but refused to do anything more than provide that the structure would be able to carry rail in future, claiming that cost was prohibitive). He hasn’t pushed to improve MTA capital spending - leaving it with a gap between what’s needed and what it can do, meaning that we’re about to enter yet another period of deferred maintenance and that the 2d Ave line will remain a 30 block stub with no sign of Phase 2 or after in sight.

De Blasio isn’t much better on these either - he could appropriate funds to see the MTA work on Phase 2, or any other major transit expansion that is needed (Triboro X, Utica expansion, etc.) but he thinks it easier to complain that the state controls the MTA and isn’t spending the money on the capital plan.

Cuomo thinks the problem isn’t his, but it is. The Hudson River tunnels drive 100k people in/out of NYC daily, many of them high income earners and business travelers who do business in NYC precisely because it’s easy to commute between NYC and DC (75% of all travel between NYC and DC is done via Amtrak, not flying btw). A failure of the Hudson River tunnels has a definite economic impact, and it would have a lasting effect on travel throughout the region, as jobs flee to NJ or CT, rather than stay in NYC (or there’d be a rise in telecommuting to avoid the problem altogether).

NYC needs the tunnel done, as much to maintain/retain jobs, as it is to prepare for coming job growth, let alone the need to build true HSR across the NEC.

The feds are willing to shoulder 80% of the burden, with NJ and NY providing 10% each. That’s not unreasonable, but the $20-$25 billion total for the project (which is far greater than just the tunnels) needs to be brought under control. It shouldn’t cost $10 billion for the tunnels themselves, not when similar tunnels in Europe are done for a fraction of the price. If we can get our costs to within the European levels, we could accomplish so much more for the amount. We could get all of the 2d Ave line done, the Hudson River tunnels, and so much more.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 18, 2015 • 8:35:10am

re: #373 Decatur Deb

Forgot Jeb!’s stance, but the Freepers hate it, so it’s probably sane.

Yeah I did forget Jeb there too.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 18, 2015 • 8:35:29am

Crazy Nephew Liberty though will probably go along with it though.

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freetoken  Aug 18, 2015 • 8:36:21am

re: #372 Backwoods_Sleuth

They’re probably talking about Obama administration approving Royal Dutch Shell to drill in the Arctic.

Yes. But “approving” here is simply not being able to stop was is a legal permit application.

This gets back to the cries of the “Imperial” Obama, as if he does simply what he wants.

When in truth, Obama tends to follow law and tradition more often than his critics would ever admit.

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aagcobb  Aug 18, 2015 • 8:37:06am

re: #375 HappyWarrior

Yeah outside Kasich, they all got no chance. Kasich has a small chance but I don’t see him going anywhere.

Kasich has committed too many heresies, amnesty and Medicaid Expansion.

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Lidane  Aug 18, 2015 • 8:37:31am

re: #376 Higgs Boson’s Mate

A measure stripping people of their existing citizenship would be an ex post facto law and, therefore, unconstitutional. OTOH, once you’ve decided to open the hood and start tinkering with the Constitution the sky’s the limit.

True, it would be ex post facto, so in theory it would be unconstitutional. Still, I’m not willing to risk the possibility. Once we gut birthright citizenship and start tinkering with the Constitution, it’s a matter of time before the far right start looking to find a way to strip citizenship from people they don’t like.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 18, 2015 • 8:37:54am

re: #381 aagcobb

Kasich has committed too many heresies, amnesty and Medicaid Expansion.

Yeah my thoughts exactly.

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aagcobb  Aug 18, 2015 • 8:38:20am

re: #376 Higgs Boson’s Mate

A measure stripping people of their existing citizenship would be an ex post facto law and, therefore, unconstitutional. OTOH, once you’ve decided to open the hood and start tinkering with the Constitution the sky’s the limit.

But as I said above, not if you can pack the Court with Justices who will interpret the Constitution to mean those people were never citizens in the first place.

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Aug 18, 2015 • 8:39:20am

re: #362 Lidane

Not only that, but imagine if they changed the rules to say that both your parents had to be legal citizens when they were born for you to be a citizen. That would immediately strip me of my citizenship, since my father was born in Mexico but became a naturalized American citizen in high school.

These are not idle concerns. These people are deranged and I’m not going to trust them with something as basic as gutting birthright citizenship and letting them decide who is and who isn’t a citizen. No thanks.

I don’t think it is likely, but what is 100% certain is that almost no sane Hispanic voting citizen will have anything to do with the GOP.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 18, 2015 • 8:39:31am

It’s like the Republican party wakes up and says to themselves “How can we be even bigger dicks than we already are?”

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b.d.  Aug 18, 2015 • 8:39:46am

re: #360 Charles Johnson

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Didn’t take long for all of the republican candidates to go from bashing Trump to aping him

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makeitstop  Aug 18, 2015 • 8:40:09am

re: #369 Backwoods_Sleuth

Kasich has already said legalize the 12 million already here.

How long before he walks it back?

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aagcobb  Aug 18, 2015 • 8:43:06am

re: #387 b.d.

Didn’t take long for all of the republican candidates to go from bashing Trump to aping him

Perry and Graham tried bashing him, and their support is within the moe of nonexistence.

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Lidane  Aug 18, 2015 • 8:44:22am

re: #388 makeitstop

How long before he walks it back?

Today’s Tuesday. I give him until Friday to find a way to walk it back.

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Higgs Boson's Mate  Aug 18, 2015 • 8:46:57am

re: #382 Lidane

True, it would be ex post facto, so in theory it would be unconstitutional. Still, I’m not willing to risk the possibility. Once we gut birthright citizenship and start tinkering with the Constitution, it’s a matter of time before the far right start looking to find a way to start stripping citizenship from people they don’t like.

Your apprehensions are well founded. Disestablishing birthright citizenship makes a fine excuse for meddling with the Constitution. One peril of starting that process is that the people who are behind this issue have a whole laundry list of laws they’d like to pass along with some they’d like to repeal. The Constitution is standing squarely in their way. It’s very unlikely that cons would stop at birthright citizenship.

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ObserverArt  Aug 18, 2015 • 8:48:28am

re: #369 Backwoods_Sleuth

Kasich has already said legalize the 12 million already here.

That may be before Trump released his Magna Carta.

So…

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The Vicious Babushka  Aug 18, 2015 • 8:49:52am

What has Ted “Mr. Constitution” Cruz said about birthright citizenship, and wouldn’t he be fucking himself if he came out against it?

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Aug 18, 2015 • 8:52:13am

The 14th Amendment didn’t create birthright citizenship. That had been a principle of Common Law since before there were any Englishmen in the Western Hemisphere. The 14th Amendment was passed to reverse the Dred Scott decision—remember the Taney court ruled that no slave or former slave had any Constitutional rights because they were not, and could never be, citizens.

The 14th established that anyone born in the United States is a citizen and has the same Constitutional rights as anyone else. Nobody had ever questioned that in the case of white people—as I said, anyone free born here has always been a citizen. Repealing the 14th wouldn’t change that.

Of course with lunatics like Scalia on the SCOTUS, anything can happen—he actually thinks the 2nd Amendment has something to do with private gun ownership!

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HappyWarrior  Aug 18, 2015 • 8:52:47am

re: #393 The Vicious Babushka

What has Ted “Mr. Constitution” Cruz said about birthright citizenship, and wouldn’t he be fucking himself if he came out against it?

I am curious about that one too. I already saw that Jindal did but unlike Cruz, I am not sure about what his parents’ situation was when he was born.

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makeitstop  Aug 18, 2015 • 8:52:58am

re: #393 The Vicious Babushka

What has Ted “Mr. Constitution” Cruz said about birthright citizenship, and wouldn’t he be fucking himself if he came out against it?

Cleek’s Law
Today’s conservatism is the opposite of what liberals want today, updated daily.

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Higgs Boson's Mate  Aug 18, 2015 • 8:53:14am

re: #392 ObserverArt

That may be before Trump released his Magna Carta.

So…

Say what you will about Trump, not being tyrannized by undocumented immigrants has left me feeling frisch, fromm, fröhlich, und frei.

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ObserverArt  Aug 18, 2015 • 8:55:07am

I have a fun question. We many times get into military equipment discussions around here. So based on some previous debates in that realm and adding some political free association about the major topic these past few weeks…

Is TRUMP® a tank, or an armored personnel carrier?

(Dark_Falcon and William Lewis would have fun with this…)

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HappyWarrior  Aug 18, 2015 • 8:55:39am

re: #398 ObserverArt

I have a fun question. We many times get into military equipment discussions around here. So based on some previous debates in that realm and adding some political free association about the major topic these past few weeks…

Is TRUMP(r) a tank, or an armored personnel carrier?

(Dark_Falcon and William Lewis would have fun with this…)

a truck filled with shit.

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BeachDem  Aug 18, 2015 • 8:55:48am

And while others might be worried about batshit crazy immigration plans, batshit crazy Michelle Malkin is more concerned about the impending downfall of the country because of “Straight outta Compton.”

Malkin:
Here’s how the poison is spreading. A savvy marketing team at Universal/Comcast Corp. developed a web toy that allows social media fans to customize the theatrical poster logo for the media giant’s new biopic, “Straight Outta Compton.” Hundreds of thousands of clueless users have uploaded photos of themselves and substituted “Compton” with the names of their hometowns.

TBogg:
And America burned to the ground as foretold in the Book of Turner Diaries. The end.

…Needless to say, every time someone uses the “Straight outta …” meme generator it helps the movie out and enrages Michelle Malkin…

TBogg then suggests people use the Straightouttasomewhere meme generator to create straightouttaMalkin memes, and ends with:

Just no racist or sexist ones, please. Unless, of course, you’re auditioning for a spot in the Trump campaign or a job at Breitbart dot com

Not that there is any real difference.

rawstory.com

Heh

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Higgs Boson's Mate  Aug 18, 2015 • 8:58:01am

re: #398 ObserverArt

I have a fun question. We many times get into military equipment discussions around here. So based on some previous debates in that realm and adding some political free association about the major topic these past few weeks…

Is TRUMP(r) a tank, or an armored personnel carrier?

(Dark_Falcon and William Lewis would have fun with this…)

Trump is a tank:

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HappyWarrior  Aug 18, 2015 • 8:58:39am

re: #400 BeachDem

And while others might be worried about batshit crazy immigration plans, batshit crazy Michelle Malkin is more concerned about the impending downfall of the country because of “Straight outta Compton.”

Malkin:
Here’s how the poison is spreading. A savvy marketing team at Universal/Comcast Corp. developed a web toy that allows social media fans to customize the theatrical poster logo for the media giant’s new biopic, “Straight Outta Compton.” Hundreds of thousands of clueless users have uploaded photos of themselves and substituted “Compton” with the names of their hometowns.

TBogg:
And America burned to the ground as foretold in the Book of Turner Diaries. The end.

…Needless to say, every time someone uses the “Straight outta …” meme generator it helps the movie out and enrages Michelle Malkin…

TBogg then suggests people use the Straightouttasomewhere meme generator to create straightouttaMalkin memes, and ends with:

Just no racist or sexist ones, please. Unless, of course, you’re auditioning for a spot in the Trump campaign or a job at Breitbart dot com

Not that there is any real difference.

rawstory.com

Heh

For someone who is fairly young, Malkin sure does her best to sound like an old woman. No disrespect to older lizards intended with that comment since it was entirely tongue in cheek. Really a bio-epic about one of the most famous old-school rap groups is akin to the Turner Diaries and those guys say we’re hysterical.

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Charles Johnson  Aug 18, 2015 • 8:58:42am
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Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Aug 18, 2015 • 8:59:24am

re: #400 BeachDem

Here’s how the poison is spreading.

Hyperbolic much, Michelle?

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Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Aug 18, 2015 • 9:00:30am

re: #400 BeachDem

Just when I think Malkin has hit rock bottom, she keeps raising the bar of crazy.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 18, 2015 • 9:00:49am

re: #404 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse

Hyperbolic much, Michelle?

Seriously. Poison? And conservatives wonder why the younger generation finds their ideology unappealing.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 18, 2015 • 9:01:42am

re: #405 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse

Just when I think Malkin has hit rock bottom, she keeps raising the bar of crazy.

Let’s be clear. She hit rock bottom when she first entered the scene writing a defense of the Japanese internment camps. That’s one thing that I will agree with conservatives if they criticized FDR for it and she chose that of all the things FDR did to praise.

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ObserverArt  Aug 18, 2015 • 9:01:57am

re: #401 Higgs Boson’s Mate

Trump is a tank:

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Looking a little limp there.

I think Trump is a tank first. But then he seems to be carrying the party while he rolls over everything political.

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Timothy Watson  Aug 18, 2015 • 9:02:41am

re: #402 HappyWarrior

The Turner Diaries reference was by the writer at Raw Story and meant tongue-in-cheek.

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Higgs Boson's Mate  Aug 18, 2015 • 9:03:16am

Slow down, ya’ll. Malkin may, at long last, have a point. It’s a well known fact that rap fans charge when wounded.

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I Stand With Planned Parenthood  Aug 18, 2015 • 9:04:33am
mydocumentsinc.com
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Dr Lizardo  Aug 18, 2015 • 9:04:35am

re: #400 BeachDem

And while others might be worried about batshit crazy immigration plans, batshit crazy Michelle Malkin is more concerned about the impending downfall of the country because of “Straight outta Compton.”

Malkin:
Here’s how the poison is spreading. A savvy marketing team at Universal/Comcast Corp. developed a web toy that allows social media fans to customize the theatrical poster logo for the media giant’s new biopic, “Straight Outta Compton.” Hundreds of thousands of clueless users have uploaded photos of themselves and substituted “Compton” with the names of their hometowns.

TBogg:
And America burned to the ground as foretold in the Book of Turner Diaries. The end.

…Needless to say, every time someone uses the “Straight outta …” meme generator it helps the movie out and enrages Michelle Malkin…

TBogg then suggests people use the Straightouttasomewhere meme generator to create straightouttaMalkin memes, and ends with:

Just no racist or sexist ones, please. Unless, of course, you’re auditioning for a spot in the Trump campaign or a job at Breitbart dot com

Not that there is any real difference.

rawstory.com

Heh

Ironically enough, I just got done watching Straight Outta Compton.

And Dr. Lizardo gives it 3.5 out of 4 stars! A solid thumbs up!

Really…….it’s a damn good film. I strongly recommend it.

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Charles Johnson  Aug 18, 2015 • 9:04:50am
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makeitstop  Aug 18, 2015 • 9:05:30am

re: #402 HappyWarrior

For someone who is fairly young, Malkin sure does her best to sound like an old woman. No disrespect to older lizards intended with that comment since it was entirely tongue in cheek. Really a bio-epic about one of the most famous old-school rap groups is akin to the Turner Diaries and those guys say we’re hysterical.

Dude, I am old (62 tomorrow!), and I never want to sound as crochety and out of touch as most conservatives.

Hell, I know conservatives in their 30s, and they sound just like those tight-assed old people I used to make fun of when I was a kid.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 18, 2015 • 9:06:50am

re: #413 Charles Johnson

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Ted Cruz is jealous because he didn’t do this first.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 18, 2015 • 9:08:42am

re: #414 makeitstop

Dude, I am old (62 tomorrow!), and I never want to sound as crochety and out of touch as most conservatives.

Hell, I know conservatives in their 30s, and they sound just like those tight-assed old people I used to make fun of when I was a kid.

The Onion nailed it, the Republican Party has a commanding lead with young people who dress and act like old people. I really meant lol no disrespect. It’s just amazing how old and bitter so many of these young conservatives sound.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 18, 2015 • 9:10:33am

re: #412 Dr Lizardo

Ironically enough, I just got done watching Straight Outta Compton.

And Dr. Lizardo gives it 3.5 out of 4 stars! A solid thumbs up!

Really…….it’s a damn good film. I strongly recommend it.

I saw that Ice Cube’s son is playing his dad. Cool touch. It makes me feel old though since I am old enough to remember Friday when Ice Cube was a young guy. Plus don’t look if you haven’t seen 22 Jump Street.

Click to Reveal

The actress playing his daughter in 22 Jump Street was very cute.

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lawhawk  Aug 18, 2015 • 9:11:48am

re: #413 Charles Johnson

Well, the witless wonder Walker’s leaving him in the dust.

Hey, I’ll repeal Obamacare and replace it with vaporware that doesn’t provide nearly the coverage that Obamacare does, and manage to do it with the mythical savings by cutting fat in the federal budget.

Oh, and he’ll eliminate the uniform minimum coverage requirements that allow people with preexisting coverage and coverage for dependents up to age 26 too.

Walker’ll do this on day 1.

Of course he will.

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Dr Lizardo  Aug 18, 2015 • 9:12:35am

re: #417 HappyWarrior

I saw that Ice Cube’s son is playing his dad. Cool touch. It makes me feel old though since I am old enough to remember Friday when Ice Cube was a young guy. Plus don’t look if you haven’t seen 22 Jump Street.

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O’Shea Jackson Jr. is really good; all of the actors in the film were very well cast, and the played it great. It’s a solid film, no doubt about it. Great directing and a good screenplay.

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makeitstop  Aug 18, 2015 • 9:12:59am

re: #414 makeitstop

Dude, I am old (62 tomorrow!)

Holy crap. I just re-read that. 62. How the hell did that happen? :)

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BeachDem  Aug 18, 2015 • 9:14:03am

re: #251 Backwoods_Sleuth

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well, duh…

Double duh—WTF does this even mean:

Local KWCH reports the device was “active and set to go off.” The bomb was wrapped in a box sealed with tape. It was detonated off-site by the bomb squad.

Police said they are investigating the man’s intentions.

“He was very forthcoming about it, he wasn’t trying to hide it,” Witchita police Capt. Doug Nolte told KSN. “He was here to do some business with the clinic.”
rawstory.com

He told police he had just moved out and had all of his personal belongings with him. Police say they’ve ruled out any destructive act against the clinic, and that it was just bad judgment for him to bring the bag into the clinic.

kwch.com

He was there to apply for a job? Doesn’t every job applicant arrive bearing knives and homemade bombs in a backpack?

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HappyWarrior  Aug 18, 2015 • 9:14:38am

re: #419 Dr Lizardo

O’Shea Jackson Jr. is really good; all of the actors in the film were very well cast, and the played it great. It’s a solid film, no doubt about it. Great directing and a good screenplay.

Yeah I saw on IMDB that the guy playing Dr. Dre is Jilliard trained. I can see why it’s a big hit. Malkin’s bitterness amuses me.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 18, 2015 • 9:16:28am

re: #421 BeachDem

Must be how they do things in Kansas….

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 18, 2015 • 9:17:40am
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Lidane  Aug 18, 2015 • 9:18:58am

re: #414 makeitstop

Dude, I am old (62 tomorrow!), and I never want to sound as crochety and out of touch as most conservatives.

Hell, I know conservatives in their 30s, and they sound just like those tight-assed old people I used to make fun of when I was a kid.

I swear that one of my co-workers is a 95 year old man in a 25 year old’s body. I’m 42 and he sounds older than me sometimes.

Nice guy, but he’s definitely got the crotchety old man gene.

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ObserverArt  Aug 18, 2015 • 9:19:24am

re: #414 makeitstop

Dude, I am old (62 tomorrow!), and I never want to sound as crochety and out of touch as most conservatives.

Hell, I know conservatives in their 30s, and they sound just like those tight-assed old people I used to make fun of when I was a kid.

Hey! 61 tomorrow myself.

And we share the date with Big Bill Clinton…and a ton of others like Orville Wright, Gene Roddenberry, Malcolm Forbes…

Found this online…

Personality
August 19th born individuals are born under the sun sign Leo. As such, they possess the typical Lion traits. But what makes them different from their other Leo counterparts is their birthdate which also is ruled by the planet Sun, much like the zodiac sign. As such, individuals born on this date are warm, courteous and confident individuals with a courageous spirited self. They are highly enthusiastic and optimistic people, with a strong will power and self motivated and responsible disposition. They are intelligent with a sharp wit and a clever mind. Overall, individuals born on this day are endowed with versatility, benevolence and affection.
Read more at thefamouspeople.com

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HappyWarrior  Aug 18, 2015 • 9:19:58am

re: #424 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Oh joy, a dick size errr true conservatism contest. I bet Governor of Bama is going to lecture the younger whipper snappers that Kasich was doing conservative stuff when Jindal, Cruz, and Rubio were doing keg stands.

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Romantic Heretic  Aug 18, 2015 • 9:20:07am

re: #313 Decatur Deb

What is the life expectancy of a fully-laden sparrow?

African or European?

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Dr Lizardo  Aug 18, 2015 • 9:20:47am

re: #422 HappyWarrior

Yeah I saw on IMDB that the guy playing Dr. Dre is Jilliard trained. I can see why it’s a big hit. Malkin’s bitterness amuses me.

I find Malkin’s bitterness to be quite delicious - like Laphroaig scotch; a nice smoky flavor with a slightly peaty undertone.

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Mattand  Aug 18, 2015 • 9:21:05am

re: #402 HappyWarrior

I’m in my late 40’s. Some of my peers have been talking like “old” people since their late 20’s. As I’ve pointed out before, what really sucks about Generation X is watching how we’re pulling the same “You kid today suck” bullshit that a lot of Baby Boomers did to us.

Shit, the guy I mentioned before, who keeps claiming to be indedpenent but always sides with Republcians? He’s been listening to Rush Limbaugh since he was 20 years old. That was something like two decades of polluting his brain with that garbage before he supposedly walked away.

Also add in the fucking racism that we were supposed to rejected by the time we got to this point in history. It’s really depressing.

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Jenner7  Aug 18, 2015 • 9:21:20am

It was just a silly, little ole’ bomb. No biggie.

Yeesh.

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Mattand  Aug 18, 2015 • 9:22:16am

re: #425 Lidane

I swear that one of my co-workers is a 95 year old man in a 25 year old’s body. I’m 42 and he sounds older than me sometimes.

Nice guy, but he’s definitely got the crotchety old man gene.

I’ve had it all my life, but it never metastasized into the bigoted crap I hear my friend spout.

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BeachDem  Aug 18, 2015 • 9:22:27am

re: #416 HappyWarrior

The Onion nailed it, the Republican Party has a commanding lead with young people who dress and act like old people. I really meant lol no disrespect. It’s just amazing how old and bitter so many of these young conservatives sound.

As an official old, I crack up when the “very serious media folks” justify how old people are “scared and angry,” implying that they have good reason to be so. WTF are they so scared of and angry about? That they’re not on top of the pile anymore?

The only thing I’m scare of or angry about is the unfettered hate exhibited by these “scared and angry” folks.

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Mattand  Aug 18, 2015 • 9:23:06am

re: #414 makeitstop

Dude, I am old (62 tomorrow!), and I never want to sound as crochety and out of touch as most conservatives.

Hell, I know conservatives in their 30s, and they sound just like those tight-assed old people I used to make fun of when I was a kid.

Happy Pre-Birthday!

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b_sharp  Aug 18, 2015 • 9:23:33am

re: #420 makeitstop

Holy crap. I just re-read that. 62. How the hell did that happen? :)

Shit happens.
In 9 days I’ll be 60.

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The Vicious Babushka  Aug 18, 2015 • 9:23:39am

re: #433 BeachDem

As an official old, I crack up when the “very serious media folks” justify how old people are “scared and angry,” implying that they have good reason to be so. WTF are they so scared of and angry about? That they’re not on top of the pile anymore?

The only thing I’m scare of or angry about is the unfettered hate exhibited by these “scared and angry” folks.

They’re “scared and angry” that someone wants to take away their Medicare and Social Security, so they’re going to vote for the ones who say they are going to take away Medicare and Social Security.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 18, 2015 • 9:24:18am

re: #426 ObserverArt

Hey! 61 tomorrow myself.

And we share the date with Big Bill Clinton…and a ton of others like Orville Wright, Gene Roddenberry, Malcolm Forbes…

Found this online…

You guys are the tail end of Leo. I’m at the way beginning. I share a birthday with Barry Bonds, Amelia Earhart, Gallagher, Charlie Crist, Claire McCaskill, Zelda Fitzgerald, John Newton (writer of Amazing Grace), and Alexandre Dumas. I guess of those. I probably like having Dumas the most as birthday mate. Bonds would be cool I guess but he’s kind of a dick.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 18, 2015 • 9:24:44am

re: #429 Dr Lizardo

I find Malkin’s bitterness to be quite delicious - like Laphroaig scotch; a nice smoky flavor with a slightly peaty undertone.

Now you’re just getting me thirsty for scotch I can’t afford.

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Lidane  Aug 18, 2015 • 9:24:45am

THIS ASSHOLE:

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ObserverArt  Aug 18, 2015 • 9:25:17am

re: #435 b_sharp

Shit happens.
In 9 days I’ll be 60.

So…62…61…60…

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The Vicious Babushka  Aug 18, 2015 • 9:25:19am

STUPIDEST MEME OF THE DAY==>

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Nyet  Aug 18, 2015 • 9:26:01am
When N.W.A.’s mega-hyped biopic Straight Outta Compton opens next Friday, the brutalized bodies of black women will be lost in the predictable stampede of media accolades. While early reviews have lauded the “prescience” of the group’s fierce critique of anti-black state violence and criminalization — epitomized by its de facto theme song “F— Tha Police” — they fail to highlight how the group’s multi-million dollar empire was built on black women’s backs.

Yet, as national outrage over state violence grows, the release of the film should prompt fresh reconsideration of how institutionalized sexual and intimate partner violence against black women continues to be all but invisible in mainstream discourse about black self-determination. As gangsta rap pioneers and beneficiaries of the corporatization of rap/hip hop in the 1990s, N.W.A. played a key role in yoking rape culture and rap misogyny. Throughout their career they’ve been hailed as street poets and raw truth tellers mining the psychic space of young urban black masculinity. In song after song, gang rape, statutory rape, the coercion of women into prostitution and the terroristic murder of prostitutes are chronicled, glorified and paid homage to as just part of the spoils of “ghetto” life. The 1988 song “Straight Outta Compton” trivializes the murder of a neighborhood girl (“So what about the bitch that got shot, fuck her, you think I give a damn about a bitch, I’m not a sucker”) while its outlaw male protagonists go on an AK-47 and testosterone fueled killing spree. “Straight Outta Compton” was an early salvo for such popular fare as “To Kill a Hooker,” “Findum, Fuckum & Flee” and the rape epic “One Less Bitch” in which N.W.A. co-founder Dr. Dre lets his boys gang rape a prostitute then notes, “the bitch tried to ‘gank’ me so I had to kill her”.

huffingtonpost.com

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HappyWarrior  Aug 18, 2015 • 9:26:15am

re: #433 BeachDem

As an official old, I crack up when the “very serious media folks” justify how old people are “scared and angry,” implying that they have good reason to be so. WTF are they so scared of and angry about? That they’re not on top of the pile anymore?

The only thing I’m scare of or angry about is the unfettered hate exhibited by these “scared and angry” folks.

I am just glad that my Dad hasn’t fallen for the crap. He’s going to be 64 in a couple months but he doesn’t buy right wing shit. Thank heavens my grandfather left his father’s party and joined his (my grandmother’s) wife’s instead.

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Mattand  Aug 18, 2015 • 9:26:53am

re: #426 ObserverArt

Hey! 61 tomorrow myself.

And we share the date with Big Bill Clinton…and a ton of others like Orville Wright, Gene Roddenberry, Malcolm Forbes…

Found this online…

re: #435 b_sharp

Shit happens.
In 9 days I’ll be 60.

Geez, we’re running low on cake.

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ObserverArt  Aug 18, 2015 • 9:27:20am

Back later…got some errands…

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b_sharp  Aug 18, 2015 • 9:27:28am

re: #437 HappyWarrior

You guys are the tail end of Leo. I’m at the way beginning. I share a birthday with Barry Bonds, Amelia Earhart, Gallagher, Charlie Crist, Claire McCaskill, Zelda Fitzgerald, John Newton (writer of Amazing Grace), and Alexandre Dumas. I guess of those. I probably like having Dumas the most as birthday mate. Bonds would be cool I guess but he’s kind of a dick.

Sharing a birth date with a bunch of dead people always makes me feel important and special.

At least I’m not dead yet.

Mind you, when I do die, I will haunt LGF.

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Eventual Carrion  Aug 18, 2015 • 9:27:29am

re: #313 Decatur Deb

What is the life expectancy of a fully-laden sparrow?

European or African?

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b_sharp  Aug 18, 2015 • 9:27:52am

re: #440 ObserverArt

So…62…61…60…

Sounds like a count down…

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ObserverArt  Aug 18, 2015 • 9:28:07am

re: #444 Mattand

Geez, we’re running low on cake.

Maybe VB can get us some birfday pies.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 18, 2015 • 9:28:15am

re: #441 The Vicious Babushka

STUPIDEST MEME OF THE DAY==>

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Okay and what about the other generals. We can play this game and I can easily point out that Lincoln owned no slaves while Davis did. And Lee did own slaves, that’s a lie that he did not.

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Mattand  Aug 18, 2015 • 9:28:28am

re: #442 Nyet

I read somewhere where they’re going to do a director’s cut that addresses some of that. Still not an excuse, but director and band appear to be cognizant of it.

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Lidane  Aug 18, 2015 • 9:29:30am
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Romantic Heretic  Aug 18, 2015 • 9:29:32am

re: #343 SteveMcGaziBolaGate

I keep pointing out to the ‘capitalists’ that capitalism is neither an ethical system or a political system. It’s an economic system, no more and no less.

But the ‘capitalists’ insists that it is both. But capitalism is ‘the wrong tool for the job’ as a source of ethics or to organize politics.

Which is why we struggle these days. We’re using the wrong tool for the job.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 18, 2015 • 9:29:34am

re: #446 b_sharp

Sharing a birth date with a bunch of dead people always makes me feel important and special.

At least I’m not dead yet.

Mind you, when I do die, I will haunt LGF.

Hehe well everyone shares a birthday with someone famous. What truly interests me is finding someone you share an exact birthday with. Me, I got the girl who was in Matilda and Mrs. Doubtfire, that football player Belcher who killed his fiance and then himself.

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b_sharp  Aug 18, 2015 • 9:29:37am

re: #447 Eventual Carrion

European or African?

And what are the observers of said sparrow armed with, slingshots, bows, muskets, hand guns, or AR-15s?

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makeitstop  Aug 18, 2015 • 9:30:59am

re: #426 ObserverArt

Hey! 61 tomorrow myself.

And we share the date with Big Bill Clinton…and a ton of others like Orville Wright, Gene Roddenberry, Malcolm Forbes…

Found this online…

Dang, calendar fail! I’m 62 the day after tomorrow! (so the memory is the first thing to go!) Sharing a B-Day with Robert Plant, Phil Lynott of the great Thin Lizzy, Isaac Hayes, Dimebag Darrell, KRS-One, and HP Lovecraft!

I think your summary is close enough to apply to me, though. :)

And Happy Birthday to you!

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Nyet  Aug 18, 2015 • 9:31:37am

re: #451 Mattand

I read somewhere where they’re going to do a director’s cut that addresses some of that. Still not an excuse, but director and band appear to be cognizant of it.

rollingstone.com

Cube laughs off N.W.A’s lyrical treatment of women (which, to be fair, got way worse after he left the group).
“If you’re a bitch, you’re probably not going to like us,” he says. “If you’re a ho, you probably don’t like us. If you’re not a ho or a bitch, don’t be jumping to the defense of these despicable females. Just like I shouldn’t be jumping to the defense of no punks or no cowards or no slimy son of a bitches that’s men. I never understood why an upstanding lady would even think we’re talking about her.”

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The Vicious Babushka  Aug 18, 2015 • 9:32:09am

re: #450 HappyWarrior

Okay and what about the other generals. We can play this game and I can easily point out that Lincoln owned no slaves while Davis did. And Lee did own slaves, that’s a lie that he did not.

It is true that Mrs. Grant owned slaves who were not freed until the 13th Amendment, and Mrs. Lincoln’s brothers owned slaves.

But that doesn’t mean it’s a “gotcha”

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Mattand  Aug 18, 2015 • 9:33:12am

re: #457 Nyet

rollingstone.com

Lovely. Never mind then.

Wonder what family comedy Cube is starring in next?

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Mattand  Aug 18, 2015 • 9:35:41am

re: #446 b_sharp

Sharing a birth date with a bunch of dead people always makes me feel important and special.

At least I’m not dead yet.

Mind you, when I do die, I will haunt LGF.

LOL, it any blog deserves haunting, it’s the Stalker blog.

Go in and re-arragne code and create supernatural DDoS attacks. The ultimate Ghost in the Machine.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 18, 2015 • 9:36:54am

re: #458 The Vicious Babushka

It is true that Mrs. Grant owned slaves who were not freed until the 13th Amendment, and Mrs. Lincoln’s brothers owned slaves.

But that doesn’t mean it’s a “gotcha”

Yes. Grant actually came from an abolitionist family. Besides as i said, Lee did own slaves, in fact I think he owned probably among the most in the state of Virginia given that he was from a prominent and wealthy family and he had married into George Washington’s adopted daughter’s.

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Romantic Heretic  Aug 18, 2015 • 9:39:24am

re: #401 Higgs Boson’s Mate

Trump is a tank:

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I’d say he is a Maus. Loud, slow, nearly impervious to any weapon out there, it’s not fun being on the receiving end of its weapons and useless in a real battle.

Where’s a Tempest when you need one?

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Eclectic Cyborg  Aug 18, 2015 • 9:40:37am

re: #441 The Vicious Babushka

STUPIDEST MEME OF THE DAY==>

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Robert E Lee: Not a slave owner but #1 with slave owners!

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Romantic Heretic  Aug 18, 2015 • 9:42:22am

re: #407 HappyWarrior

I thought she hit rock bottom when she supported those Marines who urinated on Taliban corpses.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 18, 2015 • 9:42:23am

re: #463 Eclectic Cyborg

Robert E Lee: Not a slave owner but #1 with slave owners!

Actually he was a slave owner. Does that numbnut really think that what is today Arlington Cemetery was maintained without slave labor? Lee as the benevolent slave owner is another myth too.
fair-use.org

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Lidane  Aug 18, 2015 • 9:43:02am

Someone better go check on Reince and make sure he’s on suicide watch:

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HappyWarrior  Aug 18, 2015 • 9:43:14am

re: #464 Romantic Heretic

I thought she hit rock bottom when she supported those Marines who urinated on Taliban corpses.

Yeah that was pretty bad too. But let’s be honest here. Whole career is nothing but shit like this. I remember when she engaged in harassing a kid because he testified on the Hill in favor of SCHIP.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Aug 18, 2015 • 9:43:56am

re: #453 Romantic Heretic

I keep pointing out to the ‘capitalists’ that capitalism is neither an ethical system or a political system. It’s an economic system, no more and no less.

But the ‘capitalists’ insists that it is both. But capitalism is ‘the wrong tool for the job’ as a source of ethics or to organize politics.

Which is why we struggle these days. We’re using the wrong tool for the job.

No but there is a certain ethical and political tack to so called AMERICAN Capitalism.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 18, 2015 • 9:44:19am

re: #466 Lidane

Someone better go check on Reince and make sure he’s on suicide watch:

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But it’s moderates S.E. Cupp said.// Congrats Reince, your rebranding has gone so well that your party rank and file supports a man that would destroy generations of immigration law precedent.

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The Vicious Babushka  Aug 18, 2015 • 9:45:01am

re: #465 HappyWarrior

Actually he was a slave owner. Does that numbnut really think that what is today Arlington Cemetery was maintained without slave labor? Lee as the benevolent slave owner is another myth too.
fair-use.org

Also, the entire invasion of Pennsylvania was a runaway slave hunt to kidnap free Blacks and carry them down south.

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Skip Intro  Aug 18, 2015 • 9:45:30am

re: #395 HappyWarrior

I am curious about that one too. I already saw that Jindal did but unlike Cruz, I am not sure about what his parents’ situation was when he was born.

Birthed law says there’s no way in hell Cruz is qualified. However he gets a pass because he’s batshit crazy and they agree with him.

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The Vicious Babushka  Aug 18, 2015 • 9:45:57am

re: #464 Romantic Heretic

I thought she hit rock bottom when she supported those Marines who urinated on Taliban corpses.

That was Dana “Muhgunz!!!” Loesch, not Michelle Malkin.

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Romantic Heretic  Aug 18, 2015 • 9:46:33am

re: #435 b_sharp

Shit happens.
In 9 days I’ll be 60.

Oct. 26th is my sixtieth. Oy.

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BeachDem  Aug 18, 2015 • 9:48:02am

re: #467 HappyWarrior

Yeah that was pretty bad too. But let’s be honest here. Whole career is nothing but shit like this. I remember when she engaged in harassing a kid because he testified on the Hill in favor of SCHIP.

But, but his parents had granite countertops! (Which I believe Malkin discovered by peeping in their windows or some such nonsense.)

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Skip Intro  Aug 18, 2015 • 9:48:25am

re: #466 Lidane

All Trump needs to do is make a deal with the Koch’s to bring their boy Scotty on as VP and it’s game over for the other 15-16 pant loads and losers.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Aug 18, 2015 • 9:48:47am

Re: Calling N.W.A. a “band”.

Is it appropriate to call a group of musical performers who do not play instruments a band? This is something I’ve wondered about for some time since we started seeing Boy “bands” in the 90s that were more a group of singers and dancers than actual musicians.

Couldn’t we just go with “group” or “quartet” or “act” instead of “band” or am I just splitting hairs here?

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HappyWarrior  Aug 18, 2015 • 9:49:41am

re: #471 Skip Intro

Birthed law says there’s no way in hell Cruz is qualified. However he gets a pass because he’s batshit crazy and they agree with him.

Oh I know about Cruz being unqualified if that part of the 14th is done away with. I just don’t know what Bobby’s parents were during his birth.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Aug 18, 2015 • 9:50:01am

re: #476 Skip Intro

All Trump needs to do is make a deal with the Koch’s to bring their boy Scotty on as VP and it’s game over for the other 15-16 pant loads and losers.

Imperial/Walker 2016?

/

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makeitstop  Aug 18, 2015 • 9:50:15am

re: #473 Romantic Heretic

Oct. 26th is my sixtieth. Oy.

It’s funny, though - if no one here had ever mentioned their age, I’d have assumed y’all were a bunch of youngs.

I guess that’s because everyone here is still thinking and learning.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 18, 2015 • 9:50:55am

re: #470 The Vicious Babushka

Also, the entire invasion of Pennsylvania was a runaway slave hunt to kidnap free Blacks and carry them down south.

Yes, and any captured black soldiers regardless of their prewar status were sent as slaves. They were not treated as soldiers.

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Romantic Heretic  Aug 18, 2015 • 9:51:24am

re: #472 The Vicious Babushka

That was Dana “Muhgunz!!!” Loesch, not Michelle Malkin.

Oop. I stand corrected. Thanks.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 18, 2015 • 9:52:04am

re: #477 Eclectic Cyborg

Re: Calling N.W.A. a “band”.

Is it appropriate to call a group of musical performers who do not play instruments a band? This is something I’ve wondered about for some time since we started seeing Boy “bands” in the 90s that were more a group of singers and dancers than actual musicians.

Couldn’t we just go with “group” or “quartet” or “act” instead of “band” or am I just splitting hairs here?

I think you’re splitting hairs honestly. Group of people together playing music together i’d call a band. Though I do understand where you’re coming from.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Aug 18, 2015 • 9:52:37am

re: #478 HappyWarrior

Oh I know about Cruz being unqualified if that part of the 14th is done away with. I just don’t know what Bobby’s parents were during his birth.

Source is wikipedia but:

Prior to immigrating to the United States, both his parents were lecturers at an Indian engineering college.[8] At the time of their move to the US, Raj Jindal was to be a doctoral candidate in physics.[9] They left Malerkotla, Punjab, India[10][11] in January 1971; six months before their son was born

It’s highly unlikely they got citizenship THAT quickly. Permanent residents perhaps, but not citizens.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 18, 2015 • 9:53:00am

re: #475 Nyet

Robert E. Lee Has His Slaves Whipped and Brine Poured Into the Wounds

Great minds and all that jazz. But yeah and I will add that Jefferson was quite cruel too.

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Lidane  Aug 18, 2015 • 9:53:14am

Oops:

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Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Aug 18, 2015 • 9:53:26am

re: #475 Nyet

Robert E. Lee Has His Slaves Whipped and Brine Poured Into the Wounds

Robert Lee was a saint who hated slavery and didn’t want the South or Virginia to secede and the slaves were actually treated well, they had jobs, etc.

///

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Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Aug 18, 2015 • 9:53:54am

re: #486 Lidane

Oops:

That should bump up his positives among the RWNJ.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Aug 18, 2015 • 9:54:01am

re: #486 Lidane

$5 says he did it on purpose.

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b_sharp  Aug 18, 2015 • 9:54:07am

re: #480 makeitstop

It’s funny, though - if no one here had ever mentioned their age, I’d have assumed y’all were a bunch of youngs.

I guess that’s because everyone here is still thinking and learning.

Larnin’ is part of us sonny.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 18, 2015 • 9:54:46am

re: #484 Eclectic Cyborg

Source is wikipedia but:

It’s highly unlikely they got citizenship THAT quickly. Permanent residents perhaps, but not citizens.

By right wing logic over PP, Bobby wouldn’t be a citizen since he was conceived in India. Riffing off the reverse of the Obama/Kenya joke meme I’ve seen around. It really does amaze me that someone from a very intellectual background like this and is pretty smart himself- you don’t become a Rhodes Scholar by being as stupid as he acts would reduce himself to pandering to such Know-Nothing crap.

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Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Aug 18, 2015 • 9:55:30am

re: #473 Romantic Heretic

Oct. 26th is my sixtieth. Oy.

Fellow October person here.

The 8th. I turns 49.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 18, 2015 • 9:55:52am

re: #484 Eclectic Cyborg

Source is wikipedia but:

It’s highly unlikely they got citizenship THAT quickly. Permanent residents perhaps, but not citizens.

His parents entered the US on green cards
nola.com

Amar Jindal’s passport is notated with the code P3-1, the visa code in 1971 for “professional or highly skilled.” And Raj Jindal received her green card as his spouse.

“Raj got her green card through her husband, Amar,” Plotkin said. “Amar received his green card though a program by the federal government to increase the number of engineers. It was not through an employer.”

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HappyWarrior  Aug 18, 2015 • 9:57:42am

re: #487 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse

Robert Lee was a saint who hated slavery and didn’t want the South or Virginia to secede and the slaves were actually treated well, they had jobs, etc.

///

That is part of the Lee myth. Everyone who adores him is like “Well Lee had no choice, his state came first.” Okay well what about George Thomas or Philip St. George Cooke (Jeb Stuart’s father in law no less) who were both native Virginians. I have much more respect and I am of course biased since my own great great grandfather was one of these men but I have more respect for those men who were not born in this country who fought for the Union than those like Lee and the other Southern aristocracy whose families were well established that fought against it. in her darkest hour.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 18, 2015 • 9:58:39am

re: #493 Backwoods_Sleuth

His parents entered the US on green cards
nola.com

I assume this is a program that knowing him he would pander about cutting. He really has no sense of decency at all. He shits on liberal policies even though he has directly benefited from them.

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Dave In Austin  Aug 18, 2015 • 9:59:21am

re: #418 lawhawk

Well, the witless wonder Walker’s leaving him in the dust.

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Hey, I’ll repeal Obamacare and replace it with vaporware that doesn’t provide nearly the coverage that Obamacare does, and manage to do it with the mythical savings by cutting fat in the federal budget.

Oh, and he’ll eliminate the uniform minimum coverage requirements that allow people with preexisting coverage and coverage for dependents up to age 26 too.

Walker’ll do this on day 1.

Of course he will.

All I can think at this point is SPTrump: repeal and replace it with something “Terrific”….. I laugh my ass off every time I think of it.

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The Vicious Babushka  Aug 18, 2015 • 9:59:31am

OFFS

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Nyet  Aug 18, 2015 • 9:59:36am

Fox News makes babies cry.

…

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HappyWarrior  Aug 18, 2015 • 10:00:26am

re: #497 The Vicious Babushka

OFFS

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Get off the internet drama queen. Having to treat gay people as equals when you own a business is nothing like slavery you pathetic little baby.

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lawhawk  Aug 18, 2015 • 10:00:27am

And this is why I leave ocean swimming to others.

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Mattand  Aug 18, 2015 • 10:02:40am

re: #477 Eclectic Cyborg

Re: Calling N.W.A. a “band”.

Is it appropriate to call a group of musical performers who do not play instruments a band? This is something I’ve wondered about for some time since we started seeing Boy “bands” in the 90s that were more a group of singers and dancers than actual musicians.

Couldn’t we just go with “group” or “quartet” or “act” instead of “band” or am I just splitting hairs here?

I’m going with splitting hairs. Turn back the clock 30 years and look at all the horrified white people running around saying rap wasn’t music. Pretty much the same thing.

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Varek Raith  Aug 18, 2015 • 10:02:56am

re: #500 lawhawk

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And this is why I leave ocean swimming to others.

I know right.
They can have the sharks and the brain eating amoebas.

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Dave In Austin  Aug 18, 2015 • 10:03:05am

re: #500 lawhawk

Nothing like hot top water action.

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The Vicious Babushka  Aug 18, 2015 • 10:03:22am
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Mattand  Aug 18, 2015 • 10:03:42am

re: #492 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse

Fellow October person here.

The 8th. I turns 49.

Geez. Me, too. Same date, same age.

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Lidane  Aug 18, 2015 • 10:04:05am

Greg Abbott, heretic:

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HappyWarrior  Aug 18, 2015 • 10:05:23am

re: #506 Lidane

Greg Abbott, heretic:

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And the anti-Catholic mask slips on off.

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Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Aug 18, 2015 • 10:06:02am

re: #505 Mattand

Geez. Me, too. Same date, same age.

How about that? Great to hear.

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Dave In Austin  Aug 18, 2015 • 10:06:34am

re: #506 Lidane

Greg Abbott, heretic:

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The TX Taliban have spoken

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Mattand  Aug 18, 2015 • 10:07:16am

re: #508 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse

How about that? Great to hear.

October 8th birthdays:

Matt Damon
Sigourney Weaver
Chevy Chase
Jesse Jackson
Johnny Ramone
CJ Ramone

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Nyet  Aug 18, 2015 • 10:07:36am

re: #505 Mattand

One of you is an evil twin! /

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HappyWarrior  Aug 18, 2015 • 10:08:02am

re: #509 Dave In Austin

The TX Taliban have spoken

Didn’t they hate on the GOP Speaker for being Jewish and try to replace him with their own? But fundies aren’t bigots at all.//

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HappyWarrior  Aug 18, 2015 • 10:08:29am

re: #510 Mattand

October 8th birthdays:

Matt Damon
Sigourney Weaver
Chevy Chase
Jesse Jackson
Johnny Ramone
CJ Ramone

Damon is my favorite of that bunch. I like his work.

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Mattand  Aug 18, 2015 • 10:08:45am

re: #511 Nyet

One of you is an evil twin! /

Just because you’re born with a goatee, everyone assumes you’re the evil one.

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makeitstop  Aug 18, 2015 • 10:15:01am

re: #510 Mattand

Johnny Ramone
CJ Ramone

Johnny and Chris on the same day? What are the odds?

While Johnny was a cranky bastard, Chris is actually a nice boy from LI. We used to gig together in the clubs out here, before he got his shot at the Big Time.

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Eventual Carrion  Aug 18, 2015 • 10:19:14am

re: #454 HappyWarrior

Hehe well everyone shares a birthday with someone famous. What truly interests me is finding someone you share an exact birthday with. Me, I got the girl who was in Matilda and Mrs. Doubtfire, that football player Belcher who killed his fiance and then himself.

I share my bday with Chrissie Hynde.

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Eventual Carrion  Aug 18, 2015 • 10:19:47am

re: #455 b_sharp

And what are the observers of said sparrow armed with, slingshots, bows, muskets, hand guns, or AR-15s?

Hand grenades.

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Eventual Carrion  Aug 18, 2015 • 10:28:53am

re: #480 makeitstop

It’s funny, though - if no one here had ever mentioned their age, I’d have assumed y’all were a bunch of youngs.

I guess that’s because everyone here is still thinking and learning.

I’m young. I’ll only be 54 on my next Bday.

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A Mom Anon  Aug 18, 2015 • 10:30:11am

re: #320 Ian G.

They also come and whine about admission prices going up and how it’s not worth it and what ARE MAH TAXES PAYING FOR ANYWAY???!! crap too. It happens in almost any thread about weather, fees, or proposals to improve parks or hire more people. I have no doubt some are paid, the rest are just assholes.

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A Cranky One  Aug 18, 2015 • 3:16:18pm

re: #510 Mattand

October 8th birthdays:

Matt Damon
Sigourney Weaver
Chevy Chase
Jesse Jackson
Johnny Ramone
CJ Ramone

And best of all, my youngest daughter!


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