Republican Candidates Ape Donald Trump, Call for Abolishing 14th Amendment

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Watch now, as Donald Trump leads the Republican candidates around by their noses:

Graham Supports Ending Birthright Citizenship: ‘It’s a Bad Practice’

Bobby Jindal Calls for End to Birthright Citizenship.

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324 comments
1
Teukka  Aug 18, 2015 • 10:08:08am

Off-topic, but this news about Drumpfenstein is making the rounds in Swedish media:
Trump Mocks Warren’s Native American Heritage Claim, But Falsely Claimed His Family Was Swedish

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HappyWarrior  Aug 18, 2015 • 10:09:05am

Cruz just got outwingnutted by Jindal by pulling that stunt.

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Teukka  Aug 18, 2015 • 10:11:35am

re: #1 Teukka

Oof. Swedish commenter on the Trump article: “Tips for anyone trying to fake your family background: choose a country where your last namn doesn’t mean “sullen”.”

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The Vicious Babushka  Aug 18, 2015 • 10:12:51am

SMOTI FAIL OF THE DAY==>

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lawhawk  Aug 18, 2015 • 10:14:11am

It’s getting harder to keep track of all the pretzel logic here.

Consider that birthers think Jindal, Cruz, Rubio, and even Santorum aren’t eligible to be President because they fall under the very rule that Jindal is seeking to abolish (birthright citizenship). All were born here even as their own parents (one or both) weren’t necessarily US citizens at the time.

Being born here is sufficient for constitutional purposes, but Jindal, Trump and the right wing xenophobes (and I repeat myself) want to abolish this provision, which would take a constitutional amendment.

They want to repeal this, even though it would seem to invalidate their own claim and those of their rivals because their citizenship would be in question. Of course, they’ll move to repeal this prospectively - affecting everyone else going forward, leaving their own candidacies untouched.

Of course, that’s entirely besides the point. They’re whipping up a good hate, and they can’t let it pass them by.

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Higgs Boson's Mate  Aug 18, 2015 • 10:14:12am

Shouldn’t Jindal show good faith by withdrawing his candidacy? If he doesn’t believe in birthright citizenship then he doesn’t believe in his own citizenship either. He could take one, or two, or fifteen, for the team.

Go for it, Bobby!

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Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Aug 18, 2015 • 10:14:33am

re: #4 The Vicious Babushka

Iran Releases Video of Revolutionary Guard Soldiers Massing on Hillside Outside Jerusalem

How’d the Rev Guard get down there so fast?

/

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Charles Johnson  Aug 18, 2015 • 10:14:38am

re: #4 The Vicious Babushka

SMOTI FAIL OF THE DAY==>

[Embedded content]

Wow. Jim is actually embedding a Flash video from an ISIS website. Is he trying to give his readers terrorist malware?

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The Vicious Babushka  Aug 18, 2015 • 10:15:38am

re: #8 Charles Johnson

Wow. Jim is actually embedding a Flash video from an ISIS website. Is he trying to give his readers terrorist malware?

He has been serving up dodgy ads for a long time.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 18, 2015 • 10:16:37am

re: #3 Teukka

Oof. Swedish commenter on the Trump article: “Tips for anyone trying to fake your family background: choose a country where your last namn doesn’t mean “sullen”.”

Hahahha. You know though, I think it’s actually sad to he and apparently his dad had to lie about it. I’m of German descent too. And my German-American grandfather even though I never knew him really shaped my values.

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Teukka  Aug 18, 2015 • 10:16:38am

re: #8 Charles Johnson

Wow. Jim is actually embedding a Flash video from an ISIS website. Is he trying to give his readers terrorist malware?

He what? SMOTI just graduated to SMITSS (Stupidest Man In The Sol System).

*smfh*

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b.d.  Aug 18, 2015 • 10:16:41am

Trump needs to say that Louisianians need to impeach Jindal and Bobby will resign just to keep up his pandering pace.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 18, 2015 • 10:16:53am

re: #6 Higgs Boson’s Mate

Shouldn’t Jindal show good faith by withdrawing his candidacy? If he doesn’t believe in birthright citizenship then he doesn’t believe in his own citizenship either. He could take one, or two, or fifteen, for the team.

Go for it, Bobby!

Jonah Jameson laugh.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 18, 2015 • 10:17:35am

re: #8 Charles Johnson

Wow. Jim is actually embedding a Flash video from an ISIS website. Is he trying to give his readers terrorist malware?

He treats them with so much respect.

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Higgs Boson's Mate  Aug 18, 2015 • 10:17:51am

re: #8 Charles Johnson

Wow. Jim is actually embedding a video from an ISIS-owned website. Is he trying to give his readers terrorist malware?

The “Search for Weapons” button it installed on my Firefox toolbar is pretty cool, though.

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Lidane  Aug 18, 2015 • 10:18:28am

Wonkette sums up all this GOP fail beautifully:

GOP Candidates Take Knife To Messican-Loving Parts Of Constitution

You see, while some amendments are holy and can never be restricted — like the Second, which preserves all the others at the mere cost of 30,000 dead Americans annually — others have unintended consequences that simply can’t be tolerated, like how the 14th lets Messicans from all over Latin America come here and pop out a bunch of new citizens who have to be treated as if they had rights or something.

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Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Aug 18, 2015 • 10:19:00am

re: #8 Charles Johnson

Wow. Jim is actually embedding a Flash video from an ISIS website. Is he trying to give his readers terrorist malware?

“It is just file video, we found on internet. File video. It was on Internet free. Everybody has now seen. File video.”

/

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Charles Johnson  Aug 18, 2015 • 10:21:32am
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CriticalDragon1177  Aug 18, 2015 • 10:21:41am

Charles Johnson

If one of these Republican candidates who openly called for gutting the 14th amendment gets the nomination, whoever the Democratic candidate is, should bring them to task for it. Use their statements in attack adds, and remind Americans why that amendment was passed in the first place and why it would be such a bad idea to tamper with it.

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Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Aug 18, 2015 • 10:21:49am

re: #8 Charles Johnson

Wow. Jim is actually embedding a Flash video from an ISIS website. Is he trying to give his readers terrorist malware?

Looks like another Courage In Media award for Dim Jim from Accuracy In Media.

/

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Varek Raith  Aug 18, 2015 • 10:22:14am

Dear GOP morons;

What did you do to become an American citizen?
Go on, think it over a bit.

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CriticalDragon1177  Aug 18, 2015 • 10:23:23am

re: #16 Lidane

Wonkette sums up all this GOP fail beautifully:

GOP Candidates Take Knife To Messican-Loving Parts Of Constitution

Wonkette, is hilarious! I saw that earlier, but wasn’t able to read it, since I’m having a ton of trouble with that site for some odd reason now. Hopefully it will be fixed soon.

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Lidane  Aug 18, 2015 • 10:24:09am

re: #21 Varek Raith

Dear GOP morons;

What did you do to become an American citizen?
Go on, think it over a bit.

I WAS A SCRAWNY 95 LB ASTHMATIC UNTIL I TOOK THE SUPER SOLDIER SERUM AND GOT HIT WITH VITA-RAYS!

/////////////

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Nyet  Aug 18, 2015 • 10:24:30am

Friedrich Drumpf

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HappyWarrior  Aug 18, 2015 • 10:24:51am

re: #19 CriticalDragon1177

Charles Johnson

If one of these Republican candidates who openly called for gutting the 14th amendment gets the nomination, whoever the Democratic candidate is, should bring them to task for it. Use their statements in attack adds, and remind Americans why that amendment was passed in the first place and why it would be such a bad idea to tamper with it.

I am sure they will. I suspect knowing how much Hispanics value family even those whose family aren’t birthright citizens will have a problem with this. This is just absolute crap. I am the uncle of a girl who is a citizen because of birthright citizenship. So this shit pisses me off too for very personal reasons.

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b.d.  Aug 18, 2015 • 10:24:55am

re: #21 Varek Raith

Dear GOP morons;

What did you do to become an American citizen?
Go on, think it over a bit.

I fought the bugs on a foreign planet.

//

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Khal Wimpo  Aug 18, 2015 • 10:25:38am

Ezra Klein’s got a fairly decent breakdown of what exactly the effects of Trump’s plan will be. Basically, it boils down to calculated sadism - the infliction of pain on the children of brown people until they give in to despair.

Frightened children huddle in the night while crossing the border. Or, as Trump’s supporters would say, “Target practice.”
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CriticalDragon1177  Aug 18, 2015 • 10:30:37am

re: #4 The Vicious Babushka

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jaunte  Aug 18, 2015 • 10:30:38am

re: #24 Charles Johnson

“Bobby Jindal Admits He Was Conceived In A Foreign Country”

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Ian G.  Aug 18, 2015 • 10:33:43am

I know, I know, I shouldn’t engage in serious analysis of batshit lunacy like this, but how would one become a citizen, then? Demonstrate at least half of your great grandparents are of WASP blood? I’m sure that’s the idea here.

Well, on the plus side, such a policy would eliminate the citizenship of Cruz, Rubio, Jindal, Santorum, Allen West, Pam Geller, and numerous other odious people.

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Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Aug 18, 2015 • 10:34:16am

re: #29 CriticalDragon1177

Dim Jim is way ahead of the lamestream media.

/

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jaunte  Aug 18, 2015 • 10:34:25am

If a conservative R politician (whose life began at conception) was conceived in another country, is he eligible to run for President of the US?

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Lidane  Aug 18, 2015 • 10:36:43am

What else do you expect from a RINO anchor baby? ELEVENTY!

Florida Sen. Marco Rubio said he does not support ending birthright citizenship for the children of undocumented workers and that Donald Trump’s immigration proposal could not pass Congress during a visit to the Iowa State Fair on Tuesday.

“I don’t agree with that,” Rubio told reporters when asked if he supports ending birthright citizenship, the controversial policy included in Trump’s recently released plan to overhaul the U.S. immigration system.

“I haven’t read his plan, I’ve only read press accounts, or some of them,” he added. “Obviously there are some ideas that have merit, but the majority of it is not a workable plan that could ever pass Congress.”

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Ian G.  Aug 18, 2015 • 10:36:58am

In all seriousness, I hope this is the moment Latinos start to vote for the Dems at the same rate African-Americans do. It will be the end of the GOP. Maybe we can bring the Whigs back.

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Jenner7  Aug 18, 2015 • 10:37:34am

Hillary Clinton, in a meeting with BLM activists.

bigstory.ap.org

After Clinton encouraged the group to champion policies, activist Julius Jones accused her of “victim blaming.” But Clinton pushed back, saying systemic racism can’t be solved without changes in criminal justice, housing and education policies.

“You can keep the movement going, which you have stated, and through it you may actually change some hearts. But if that’s all that happens we’ll be back here in 10 years having the same conversation because we will not have all the changes that you deserve to see happen in your lifetime,” she said

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CriticalDragon1177  Aug 18, 2015 • 10:38:32am

re: #32 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse

Dim Jim is way ahead of the lamestream media.

/

He’s so ahead of the liberals that he’s reporting things before they happen! Even Fox News is too politically correct to do that!

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Ian G.  Aug 18, 2015 • 10:39:21am

re: #4 The Vicious Babushka

SMOTI FAIL OF THE DAY==>

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Back on planet earth, I was under the impression that Hezbollah, the revolutionary guards, and other Iranian proxies that could theoretically attack Israel have taken a bad beating in Syria at the hands of ISIS and other anti-Assad forces.

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Nyet  Aug 18, 2015 • 10:40:46am
“I didn’t hear a reflection on her part in perpetuating white supremacist violence,” said Daunasia Yancey, founder of the group’s Boston chapter.

◔_◔

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Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Aug 18, 2015 • 10:42:17am

re: #34 Lidane

Damned RINO.

//

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jaunte  Aug 18, 2015 • 10:42:46am
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calochortus  Aug 18, 2015 • 10:42:53am

re: #3 Teukka

Oof. Swedish commenter on the Trump article: “Tips for anyone trying to fake your family background: choose a country where your last namn doesn’t mean “sullen”.”

Some random Freeper posted that Trump’s mother’s maiden name was MacLeod which he had heard meant “stand firm” and that The Donald does just that. Unless I am sadly mistaken MacLeod translates loosely to “son of the ugly guy.” Not quite the same.

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wrenchwench  Aug 18, 2015 • 10:43:37am

re: #34 Lidane

Obviously there are some ideas that have merit,

Can you be specific, Marco?

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Charles Johnson  Aug 18, 2015 • 10:43:53am

Newness: if you post a private comment addressed to another user, or several other users, the people on the recipient list will now see a button that says “Private Comment for You,” and if there are other recipients it will add “and 3 others.” (Or however many others there are.)

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HappyWarrior  Aug 18, 2015 • 10:44:21am

re: #42 calochortus

Some random Freeper posted that Trump’s mother’s maiden name was MacLeod which he had heard meant “stand firm” and that The Donald does just that. Unless I am sadly mistaken MacLeod translates loosely to “son of the ugly guy.” Not quite the same.

It’s definitely not stand firm since Mac is always son of. It’s simply son of Leod which is probably an old Scots-Gaelic given name.

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Nyet  Aug 18, 2015 • 10:44:51am

h1EJs+54WVCCHpt3PQMOfQ==

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 18, 2015 • 10:45:41am

BWAHAHAHAHAAA

45 minutes later:

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Aug 18, 2015 • 10:45:46am

Remember, there are a lot of Latino voters whose parents came over as illegal aliens. Cannot imagine that these people would have any interest in voting GOP.

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Nyet  Aug 18, 2015 • 10:46:21am

re: #44 Charles Johnson

I just wrote a comment to sergey romanov|sergey romanov|sergey romanov and got “Private Comment for You and 3 others”. I understand it’s not a bug (though the count seems off by 1), but JFYI :)

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calochortus  Aug 18, 2015 • 10:47:33am

re: #45 HappyWarrior

It’s definitely not stand firm since Mac is always son of. It’s simply son of Leod which is probably an old Scots-Gaelic given name.

Yes, and it means ugly.

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Iwouldprefernotto  Aug 18, 2015 • 10:47:54am

SORRY THIS COMMENT IS NOT ADDRESSED TO YOU!

Thanks Charles —for reminding me of what life was like in jr. high school, ; )

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b_sharp  Aug 18, 2015 • 10:48:08am

All I seem to ever get are pink Private buttons.

From now on I’m only going to send private messages to myself.

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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Aug 18, 2015 • 10:50:42am

re: #5 lawhawk

It’s getting harder to keep track of all the pretzel logic here.

Consider that birthers think Jindal, Cruz, Rubio, and even Santorum aren’t eligible to be President because they fall under the very rule that Jindal is seeking to abolish (birthright citizenship). All were born here even as their own parents (one or both) weren’t necessarily US citizens at the time.

Being born here is sufficient for constitutional purposes, but Jindal, Trump and the right wing xenophobes (and I repeat myself) want to abolish this provision, which would take a constitutional amendment.

They want to repeal this, even though it would seem to invalidate their own claim and those of their rivals because their citizenship would be in question. Of course, they’ll move to repeal this prospectively - affecting everyone else going forward, leaving their own candidacies untouched.

Of course, that’s entirely besides the point. They’re whipping up a good hate, and they can’t let it pass them by.

the thing is, it’s all meant as “acceptable” ways to express hatred of hispanics

that’s why they don’t realize it applies to themselves

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Higgs Boson's Mate  Aug 18, 2015 • 10:51:36am

re: #52 b_sharp

All I seem to ever get are pink Private buttons.

Got a few of them myself in my younger days.

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Nyet  Aug 18, 2015 • 10:52:08am

Trump was born in NYC -> not a real Murican -> ineligible.

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Charles Johnson  Aug 18, 2015 • 10:55:09am

re: #49 Nyet

I just wrote a comment to sergey romanov|sergey romanov|sergey romanov and got “Private Comment for You and 3 others”. I understand it’s not a bug (though the count seems off by 1), but JFYI :)

Well, if it’s your own private comment, you can always read it, so that’s why it seems off by one. But addressing it 3 times to yourself isn’t really something that’s gonna come up in normal usage, I think.

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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Aug 18, 2015 • 10:55:53am

this week marks the thin end of the wedge in the campaign of the gop to make spanish speakers in the u.s. into 2nd class citizens and paraiahs

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The Vicious Babushka  Aug 18, 2015 • 10:55:54am

But Donald wants H1B’s to come here and take engineering jobs from Americans, the Carly Plan

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BeachDem  Aug 18, 2015 • 10:56:04am

The koskids are UP IN ARMS about a Shaun King diary that apparently dissed Bernie Sanders or something.

So, now they’re questioning King’s veracity, citing sites that call him a scam and a fraud. The first such site on their list?

Got News dot com.

The koskids have lost their minds.

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calochortus  Aug 18, 2015 • 10:56:19am

re: #53 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸

the thing is, it’s all meant as “acceptable” ways to express hatred of hispanics

that’s why they don’t realize it applies to themselves

I’m guessing their parents were legal residents and or fit into some other loophole, so they claim birthright citizenship for themselves, but don’t allow it for those people over there.

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SteelPH  Aug 18, 2015 • 10:56:25am

I’d imagine wingnut citizenship rules would go like this.

Register as Republican = instant citizenship granted.
Register as Democrat = Instant citizenship revoked.

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lawhawk  Aug 18, 2015 • 10:56:30am

re: #29 CriticalDragon1177

Outside Jerusalem - could be anywhere within 1000 miles East of Jerusalem. Get with the program.

Never mind that Israel controls the Green Line and 1967 border line, patroling within, and the IDF, Shin Bet, and Mossad would all be checking on the presence of a group of armed people in the Judean Hills.

So easily debunked that it’s not even worth the time.

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Nyet  Aug 18, 2015 • 10:56:52am

re: #56 Charles Johnson

Usually not, though if someone wants to obfuscate the number of recipients (as is their right, I guess…).

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wrenchwench  Aug 18, 2015 • 10:57:10am

re: #56 Charles Johnson

Well, if it’s your own private comment, you can always read it, so that’s why it seems off by one. But addressing it 3 times to yourself isn’t really something that’s gonna come up in normal usage, I think.

Are you catering to normal people? Bigot!

/

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Belafon  Aug 18, 2015 • 10:57:14am

#44 Charles Johnson:

Can the ones not for me taunt and ridicule me for not being worthy?

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blueraven  Aug 18, 2015 • 10:57:46am

re: #35 Ian G.

In all seriousness, I hope this is the moment Latinos start to vote for the Dems at the same rate African-Americans do. It will be the end of the GOP. Maybe we can bring the Whigs back.

The irony here is delicious. Trump has been on a racist/sexist rant for months now. He gets excused by the right wing for his “non politically correct” rhetoric and the fact that he is not a politician. Now, as he actually begins to try to act like a real politician and puts forth a policy position, it could lead to his undoing.

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lawhawk  Aug 18, 2015 • 10:57:53am

re: #58 The Vicious Babushka

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Nyet  Aug 18, 2015 • 10:57:55am

re: #59 BeachDem

Shaun King was steadily criticized for inaccuracies at DKos.

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The Vicious Babushka  Aug 18, 2015 • 10:58:51am

re: #62 lawhawk

Outside Jerusalem - could be anywhere within 1000 miles East of Jerusalem. Get with the program.

Never mind that Israel controls the Green Line and 1967 border line, patroling within, and the IDF, Shin Bet, and Mossad would all be checking on the presence of a group of armed people in the Judean Hills.

So easily debunked that it’s not even worth the time.

HURR HURR BUT TEH IRANIANS MADE A VIDEO SAYING THEY WANT TO CONQUER JERUSALEM!!!!!

Yeah and Michael Savage wrote a novel about nuking Mecca.

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Lidane  Aug 18, 2015 • 10:58:52am

re: #58 The Vicious Babushka

But Donald wants H1B’s to come here and take engineering jobs from Americans, the Carly Plan

[Embedded content]

Sure, but he wants them to be more expensive:

Increase prevailing wage for H-1Bs. We graduate two times more Americans with STEM degrees each year than find STEM jobs, yet as much as two-thirds of entry-level hiring for IT jobs is accomplished through the H-1B program. More than half of H-1B visas are issued for the program’s lowest allowable wage level, and more than eighty percent for its bottom two. Raising the prevailing wage paid to H-1Bs will force companies to give these coveted entry-level jobs to the existing domestic pool of unemployed native and immigrant workers in the U.S., instead of flying in cheaper workers from overseas. This will improve the number of black, Hispanic and female workers in Silicon Valley who have been passed over in favor of the H-1B program. Mark Zuckerberg’s personal Senator, Marco Rubio, has a bill to triple H-1Bs that would decimate women and minorities.

I’m sure that Silicon Valley would have lots to say about Trump’s ideas.

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Jenner7  Aug 18, 2015 • 10:59:57am

Video

And here’s the video of the BLM activists with Clinton…

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jaunte  Aug 18, 2015 • 11:00:09am

Much of Trump immigration plan not ‘radical’ in GOP circles

…”There’s absolutely nothing new or radical about Trump’s plan,” said Bob Dane of the Federation for American Immigration Reform, a group that opposes illegal immigration.

What makes Trump’s plan unique, and what prompted Dane to call it the “American Workers’ Bill of Rights,” is that Trump is the first candidate to embrace virtually the entire spectrum of ideas from immigration hard-liners.

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aagcobb  Aug 18, 2015 • 11:00:36am

re: #6 Higgs Boson’s Mate

Shouldn’t Jindal show good faith by withdrawing his candidacy? If he doesn’t believe in birthright citizenship then he doesn’t believe in his own citizenship either. He could take one, or two, or fifteen, for the team.

Go for it, Bobby!

I’m pretty sure he will be withdrawing soon, given his poll numbers.

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Jenner7  Aug 18, 2015 • 11:02:10am

Video

Part 2

Accusing Hillary of victim blaming…

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Higgs Boson's Mate  Aug 18, 2015 • 11:02:36am

re: #63 Nyet

Usually not, though if someone wants to obfuscate the number of recipients (as is their right, I guess…).

What a devious mind! Do you have a newsletter?

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aagcobb  Aug 18, 2015 • 11:02:46am

re: #19 CriticalDragon1177

Charles Johnson

If one of these Republican candidates who openly called for gutting the 14th amendment gets the nomination, whoever the Democratic candidate is, should bring them to task for it. Use their statements in attack adds, and remind Americans why that amendment was passed in the first place and why it would be such a bad idea to tamper with it.

The GOP, working to see if it can drive its share of the Hispanic vote down to 0%.

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Nyet  Aug 18, 2015 • 11:04:28am

re: #75 Higgs Boson’s Mate

Well, I figured that if there is this function that displays the number of recipients, then it matters at least somewhat :)

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aagcobb  Aug 18, 2015 • 11:07:24am

re: #24 Charles Johnson

[Embedded content]

Larger

Jindal was an anchor babby! Deport him!

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Nyet  Aug 18, 2015 • 11:07:49am

So I looked in the DKos wreck list and found the two diaries that criticize King. I searched for GoatNews and found 2(!) comments left by the same person with the same list of links which summarily got 2 updings.

Yeah, crazy KosKids, Chuck Johnson fans, all as one.

PS: sarcasm aside, as I said, King has a history there [1, 2].

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 18, 2015 • 11:08:00am

re: #67 lawhawk

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god forbid we spend the money to educate the Americans who are already here so they can get those jobs.

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aagcobb  Aug 18, 2015 • 11:10:15am

re: #30 jaunte

“Bobby Jindal Admits He Was Conceived In A Foreign Country”

His mother came over on a student visa while she was pregnant. Normally, when done with their studies, foreign students have to leave the US. Looks incredibly likely that Jindal was an anchor baby.

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aagcobb  Aug 18, 2015 • 11:11:37am

re: #34 Lidane

What else do you expect from a RINO anchor baby? ELEVENTY!

[Embedded content]

Rubio just disqualified himself from winning the GOP nomination for President.

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Belafon  Aug 18, 2015 • 11:12:22am

#79 Nyet:

I went to go make a comment about GotNews, and noticed the people who were accepting the links without question.

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Lidane  Aug 18, 2015 • 11:12:31am

re: #82 aagcobb

Rubio just disqualified himself from winning the GOP nomination for President.

To be fair, he never had a chance.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Aug 18, 2015 • 11:15:57am

re: #84 Lidane

To be fair, he never had a chance.

VP slot however…

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Nyet  Aug 18, 2015 • 11:18:05am

re: #83 Belafon

#79 Nyet:

I went to go make a comment about GotNews, and noticed the people who were accepting the links without question.

We must not be reading the same threads then.

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Higgs Boson's Mate  Aug 18, 2015 • 11:18:46am

re: #85 Eclectic Cyborg

VP slot however…

If anyone else gets the VP slot it will have Cruz’ claw marks all over it.

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Lidane  Aug 18, 2015 • 11:19:03am

re: #85 Eclectic Cyborg

VP slot however…

Not if Bush is the nominee. They’d have to give up the electoral votes in Florida.

And I see Trump picking someone like Cruz or Walker if he’s the nominee, not Rubio.

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wrenchwench  Aug 18, 2015 • 11:19:56am

re: #87 Higgs Boson’s Mate

If anyone else gets the VP slot it will have Cruz’ claw marks all over it.

And some dried out Palin slobber and a few shell casings.

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blueraven  Aug 18, 2015 • 11:20:31am

re: #74 Jenner7

[Embedded content]

Video

Part 2

Accusing Hillary of victim blaming…

I think what Hillary said was spot on. BLM has raised the awareness, identified the problems and have made progress, but they also need now to outline what steps they want to see going forward that can result in concrete changes.

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Nyet  Aug 18, 2015 • 11:22:50am

re: #83 Belafon

#79 Nyet:

I went to go make a comment about GotNews, and noticed the people who were accepting the links without question.

“The people” is at least two. I assume you’re anonevent, so you know full well that there is only one comment accepting the links somewhat at face value here. The people, yeah.

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wrenchwench  Aug 18, 2015 • 11:23:48am

re: #90 blueraven

I think what Hillary said was spot on. BLM has raised the awareness, identified the problems and have made progress, but they also need now to outline what steps they want to see going forward that can result in concrete changes.

The hypocrisy yesterday was remarkable. I heard people gushing with admiration for Julian Bond, then sqying BLM should sit down and be quiet. Julian caused a few disturbances in his day.

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Dave In Austin  Aug 18, 2015 • 11:25:45am

Shoe? Please meet Other Foot.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 18, 2015 • 11:25:47am

re: #92 wrenchwench

The hypocrisy yesterday was remarkable. I heard people gushing with admiration for Julian Bond, then sqying BLM should sit down and be quiet. Julian caused a few disturbances in his day.

Doesn’t surprise me. People love to use the Civil Rights leaders of the past who are venerated and sadly in Julian, MLK, and many other cases now deceased so they tell BLM and today’s civil rights leaders to shut up.

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#FergusonFireside  Aug 18, 2015 • 11:28:41am

Rant time…

So vendor, you ship the wrong material to my contractor. I work like hell to keep the order safe, ready for return. Following up, following up.

Receive email that truck went to pick up material & it isn’t there. Well idiot, you didn’t read the email you responded to with all the addy details, contact person’s cell # etc.

And of course, you didn’t advise me of the pick up.

Maybe China can do a better job.

I feel for the truck driver, the wasted time, gas etc.

/back to it.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 18, 2015 • 11:30:46am

John Kasich: I’ve led on Black Lives Matter issues

“I’m one governor who has also led on this issue,” he added.

Kasich noted that he assembled a diverse panel to explore issues of community and police relations. The governor created the task force in December, after Cleveland came under intense scrutiny for police misconduct. In November, the Cleveland Division of Police came under fire after 12-year-old Tamir Rice was gunned down by an officer. And in December, the U.S. Justice Department released a report finding a pattern of the use of excessive force by Cleveland police.

The governor pointed out that two of the recommendations from his task force are already being implemented: officials are working on a statewide policy on the use of deadly force by police, as well as improving the recruiting and hiring practices of Ohio police departments.

sigh

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Nyet  Aug 18, 2015 • 11:31:12am

re: #95 #FergusonFireside

I feel for the truck driver, the wasted time, gas etc.

Think how much of that is wasted on the GOP campaign, and maybe you’ll feel better. Or probably not ;)

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aagcobb  Aug 18, 2015 • 11:32:59am

re: #96 Backwoods_Sleuth

John Kasich: I’ve led on Black Lives Matter issues

sigh

It seems like occasionally Kasich forgets which party he is running for the nomination of. No-one in the GOP cares if you do something to protect the lives of African-Americans who have already been born, John.

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Jenner7  Aug 18, 2015 • 11:34:02am

re: #96 Backwoods_Sleuth

And how is that investigation into Tamir’s murder going, Mr. Kasich????

Tick. Tock.

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Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Aug 18, 2015 • 11:34:25am

re: #68 Nyet

Shaun King was steadily criticized for inaccuracies at DKos.

Yeah, and criticized for writing click bait headlines all the time as well. That said, DKos has lost its collective mind and gone into full “We Worship Bernie” mode for the most part. It’s worse than 08 when it was the Hillary supporters vs. the Obama supporters.

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Kragar  Aug 18, 2015 • 11:34:26am

The only way the GOP can survive is by controlling who is allowed to vote. Attacking voter rights and gerrymandering were reaching their limits, so they only option they have left is reducing the number of people who can call themselves American citizens.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Aug 18, 2015 • 11:36:09am

re: #98 aagcobb

It seems like occasionally Kasich forgets which party he is running for the nomination of. No-one in the GOP cares if you do something to protect the lives of African-Americans who have already been born, John.

Somehow I’m not sure even blackunbornlivesmatter would catch on with the GOP.

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aagcobb  Aug 18, 2015 • 11:38:13am

re: #101 Kragar

The only way the GOP can survive is by controlling who is allowed to vote. Attacking voter rights and gerrymandering were reaching their limits, so they only option they have left is reducing the number of people who can call themselves American citizens.

In the nativists’ dreams, redefining birthright citizenship to exclude the children of undocumented immigrants would allow them to strip millions of Hispanic-Americans of their citizenship. If you extend that to foreigners giving birth in the US on temporary visas, they could get rid of many more, including Jindal, for example, a nativists’ wet dream.

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aagcobb  Aug 18, 2015 • 11:41:07am

re: #102 Eclectic Cyborg

Somehow I’m not sure even blackunbornlivesmatter would catch on with the GOP.

When they concern troll about Planned Parenthood, they falsely claim that most of their clinics are in black neighborhoods and their purpose is to achieve evil Margaret Sanger’s scheme to eliminate African-Americans, all of which is completely false. Ben Carson is riding relatively high in the GOP polls (compared to everyone not named Trump) because he keeps repeating those lies.

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Kragar  Aug 18, 2015 • 11:41:39am
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Jenner7  Aug 18, 2015 • 11:41:54am
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Nyet  Aug 18, 2015 • 11:42:27am

re: #100 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance

Yeah, and criticized for writing click bait headlines all the time as well. That said, DKos has lost its collective mind and gone into full “We Worship Bernie” mode for the most part. It’s worse than 08 when it was the Hillary supporters vs. the Obama supporters.

The collective mind was lost quite some time before that, when lots of prominent Kossacks practically were in the “I wuv Chavez” mode. That said, the exaggerations about what the Kos folks are doing or not doing now remind me of the old wingnut method of finding an anti-Israel/antisemitic diary or comment there and claiming it was representative of the site as a whole. NJDHockeyFan used to do this.

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aagcobb  Aug 18, 2015 • 11:43:02am

re: #105 Kragar

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The lies of the “pro-life” extremists continue to inspire terrorist activity.

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lawhawk  Aug 18, 2015 • 11:44:03am

re: #96 Backwoods_Sleuth

He has led from behind, because it’s 9 months since Tamir Rice was murdered by Cleveland cops, and still no indictment of the cops responsible. The investigation continues, which makes no sense at all. They’re all hoping this mess goes away.

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Mike Lamb  Aug 18, 2015 • 11:44:33am

Jindal is going with the tried and true Republican mantra—fuck you, I’ve got mine.

No different than Paul Ryan or Ben Carson wanting to gut the very same safety net that put them where they are today.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Aug 18, 2015 • 11:47:30am
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lawhawk  Aug 18, 2015 • 11:50:35am

re: #111 GlutenFreeJesus

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Crazy Horse, Geronimo, Sitting Bull, and other Native Americans could not be reached for comment.

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Amory Blaine  Aug 18, 2015 • 11:50:49am

Assimilate to what? Baseball games and militarism? Fuck off.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Aug 18, 2015 • 11:51:12am

re: #112 lawhawk

“American Culture” doesn’t mean what he thinks it means.

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The Vicious Babushka  Aug 18, 2015 • 11:51:38am

re: #113 Amory Blaine

Assimilate to what? Baseball games and militarism? Fuck off.

GUNZ, FLAGS, COLONIAL DUDES, EAGLES & BENGHAZI TWIBBONS!!!!1!!!!

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No Country For Old Haters  Aug 18, 2015 • 11:52:07am

re: #36 Jenner7

Hillary Clinton, in a meeting with BLM activists.

bigstory.ap.org

It’s too bad that these activists are racists. It really undermines their cause.

“I say this as respectfully as I can,” one of the activists said in response, “but you don’t tell black people what we need to do. And we won’t tell you all what you need to do.”

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Blind Frog Belly White  Aug 18, 2015 • 11:52:11am

re: #110 Mike Lamb

Jindal is going with the tried and true Republican mantra—fuck you, I’ve got mine.

No different than Paul Ryan or Ben Carson wanting to gut the very same safety net that put them where they are today.

Yeah, but look at Paul Ryan - completely dependent on Government for a job!
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Mike Lamb  Aug 18, 2015 • 11:52:40am

re: #111 GlutenFreeJesus

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I wonder if homey eats at Chinese, Thai, Mexican, etc. restaurants.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Aug 18, 2015 • 11:54:05am

re: #111 GlutenFreeJesus

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I always point back at Benjamin Franklin’s complaints about the German immigrants in Pennsylvania, which exactly mirror the usual arguments about Messicans. Americans have been complaining that the current batch of immigrants aren’t becoming Americans since before there was an America.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Aug 18, 2015 • 11:54:45am

re: #118 Mike Lamb

I wonder if homey eats at Chinese, Thai, Mexican, etc. restaurants.

Thank god their cooking hasn’t assimilated!

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Mike Lamb  Aug 18, 2015 • 11:54:55am

re: #117 Blind Frog Belly White

Yeah, but look at Paul Ryan - completely dependent on Government for a job!
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Somewhat related based on your comment—one of the big arguments the right tried against Obama was that he had zero “real life” experience. He was mocked for being a community organizer, professor, before getting into politics fairly early. What would these numbskulls say about Walker who literally dropped out of school in order to go into politics…

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Dave In Austin  Aug 18, 2015 • 11:55:15am

Abbott and Idol Worship…..
LOL… God Bless Texas!

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Nyet  Aug 18, 2015 • 11:55:21am

Splendid.

Pistol Shot Recorded at 73,000 Frames Per Second

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Amory Blaine  Aug 18, 2015 • 11:55:32am

Paul Ryan sure has been keeping his empty head down in Wisconsin. It’s like he’s dropped off the face of the earth. I would think Walker would like him stumping for him.

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Amory Blaine  Aug 18, 2015 • 11:56:49am

re: #123 Nyet

73k FPS is too glitchy for me. Not smooth enough.

//

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Blind Frog Belly White  Aug 18, 2015 • 11:57:02am

re: #116 No Country For Old Haters

It’s too bad that these activists are racists. It really undermines their cause.

“I say this as respectfully as I can,” one of the activists said in response, “but you don’t tell black people what we need to do. And we won’t tell you all what you need to do.”

I wouldn’t say they’re racist. I’d say whoever said that has no idea how to achieve his/her goals. “Tell me what you’re going to do about my issue” is no way to bring about change.

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Varek Raith  Aug 18, 2015 • 11:57:47am

re: #125 Amory Blaine

73k FPS is too glitchy for me. Not smooth enough.

//

e_e
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Belafon  Aug 18, 2015 • 11:58:13am

#91 Nyet:

Check the two people, one of whom is the other commenter, who rec’d the comment.

I can count, and I understand how plurals work.

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Jenner7  Aug 18, 2015 • 11:59:21am

re: #116 No Country For Old Haters

I don’t think they’re racists, I just think they have a different agenda. If they don’t want to tell candidates what to do, then why are they there? That’s the whole point, is to get people to listen first, then make changes for the better. So, I don’t quite understand what these specific activists really want.

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No Country For Old Haters  Aug 18, 2015 • 12:00:33pm

re: #126 Blind Frog Belly White

I wouldn’t say they’re racist. I’d say whoever said that has no idea how to achieve his/her goals. “Tell me what you’re going to do about my issue” is no way to bring about change.

I would, when they separate themselves from us like that. I understand why they’re racist, but it’s a problem that will cause their defeat if they don’t get their act together.

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Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Aug 18, 2015 • 12:00:55pm

re: #107 Nyet

The collective mind was lost quite some time before that, when lots of prominent Kossacks practically were in the “I wuv Chavez” mode. That said, the exaggerations about what the Kos folks are doing or not doing now remind me of the old wingnut method of finding an anti-Israel/antisemitic diary or comment there and claiming it was representative of the site as a whole. NJDHockeyFan used to do this.

Looking over the rec list there and the comments in any diary that dares attack Bernie or support Hillary there shows pretty clear evidence that they are losing their minds (at least those who make the rec-list). Earlier there was a top of the rec-list diary comparing those who criticize Sanders of swift boating him. I still read the site, there is still good stuff there but they have gone a bit insane. Then again it’s primary season.

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Amory Blaine  Aug 18, 2015 • 12:01:25pm
Derr, pull my finger
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lawhawk  Aug 18, 2015 • 12:02:15pm

OFFS

Since when is it newsworthy when there’s no violence at a movie showing? Oh wait; this isn’t Batman Returns Dark Knight Rises or Trainwreck, is it?

Nope. It’s Straight Outta Compton? That gets news coverage for the fact that no violence occurred. Why would there be any? Nothing like a little racism and prejudice to juice the headlines.

Fuck the media.

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No Country For Old Haters  Aug 18, 2015 • 12:02:36pm

re: #130 Jenner7

I don’t think they’re racists, I just think they have a different agenda. If they don’t want to tell candidates what to do, then why are they there? That’s the whole point, is to get people to listen first, then make changes for the better. So, I don’t quite understand what these specific activists really want.

Deray doesn’t even understand that black people can be racist. He’s made the absurd claim that they can’t. I like the guy, but that’s just nuts.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Aug 18, 2015 • 12:03:44pm

re: #129 Nyet

Jesus, that stance the robber has, with the sword in his TRAILING hand? How the fuck did he plan on using it? Frakkin’ amateurs. You LEAD with the blade.

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Varek Raith  Aug 18, 2015 • 12:04:06pm

re: #129 Nyet

ROTFLLLL

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Video

“Swords! Not words!”
- Minsc

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Nyet  Aug 18, 2015 • 12:05:49pm

re: #128 Belafon

#91 Nyet:

Check the two people, one of whom is the other commenter, who rec’d the comment.

There is only one commenter responding to the list of links. There was one more upding without a comment (as I did initially mention: there were 2 updings) but an upding is not the same as “accepting without question”.

I can count, and I understand how plurals work.

I’d say, writing “the people accept without question” in the context of a community of thousands, in a thread with hundreds of participants, would be pretty misleading even if there were two whole comments fully accepting that BS, instead of one tentatively doing so, but maybe it’s just me.

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Amory Blaine  Aug 18, 2015 • 12:06:18pm

re: #134 lawhawk

Remember the outrage when Colors was released? We’re all doomed!!

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Blind Frog Belly White  Aug 18, 2015 • 12:07:34pm

re: #135 No Country For Old Haters

Deray doesn’t even understand that black people can be racist. He’s made the absurd claim that they can’t. I like the guy, but that’s just nuts.

His definition of racism and yours differ, though both are valid. His involves the power structure, so racism for him is racial prejudice in support of the white supremacist power structure, whereas you’re just defining it as racial prejudice - although it’s not clear to me that even that applies here. I don’t think it’s racial prejudice to acknowledge that, given the current situation, that the needs/wants of blacks may not be the same as the needs/wants of whites.

I just think it’s a dumb thing to say, if you actually expect to have change happen.

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Nyet  Aug 18, 2015 • 12:08:17pm

re: #132 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance

As I said, I’ll accept the “losing the minds” claim if only because I already have accepted it - but only for the right reasons, not because among thousands of comments you can find a link to GoatNews which has barely been noticed or acknowledged by the folks there.

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Kragar  Aug 18, 2015 • 12:08:38pm

re: #134 lawhawk

OFFS

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Since when is it newsworthy when there’s no violence at a movie showing? Oh wait; this isn’t Batman Returns or Trainwreck, is it?

Nope. It’s Straight Outta Compton? That gets news coverage for the fact that no violence occurred. Why would there be any? Nothing like a little racism and prejudice to juice the headlines.

Fuck the media.

The people who were the most offended by the songs “Fuck the police” and “Cop Killer” are the ones who say they need assault rifles to defend themselves from tyranny and show up at Bundy Ranch.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Aug 18, 2015 • 12:10:40pm

re: #134 lawhawk

IMO, the only way that’s newsworthy is if you point out that it goes against what a lot of people expected, so maybe they should reconsider their views. Mind you, the ones who need to reconsider their views are the least likely to do so.

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Kragar  Aug 18, 2015 • 12:11:34pm

“The Civil War and the emancipation of the slaves shaped the Republican Party and pushed it in the direction of nationalism, inclusiveness, and openness,” Foner says. “The idea was that citizenship should be extended to people regardless of accidental characteristics, such as race, national origin, or the status of their parents. This established a national standard for citizenship. The principle was one of opportunity and inclusiveness. That’s what the Republican Party stood for. The 14th amendment became one of the defining principles of the Republican Party.”

At the time, the 14th amendment did also have an impact on immigration status, Foner adds. “The equivalent back then would have been the Chinese in the U.S.,” Foner says. “They could not become naturalized citizens. Nonetheless, their children born here were citizens under the 14th amendment. The point is, this isn’t just about black people. It’s a statement about what America is. It’s a place where anybody can become a citizen regardless of their parents, religion, or race.”

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No Country For Old Haters  Aug 18, 2015 • 12:14:05pm

re: #140 Blind Frog Belly White

His definition of racism and yours differ, though both are valid. His involves the power structure, so racism for him is racial prejudice in support of the white supremacist power structure, whereas you’re just defining it as racial prejudice - although it’s not clear to me that even that applies here. I don’t think it’s racial prejudice to acknowledge that, given the current situation, that the needs/wants of blacks may not be the same as the needs/wants of whites.

I just think it’s a dumb thing to say, if you actually expect to have change happen.

His definition seems contrived to support his beliefs and the racism of the black people he associates with. It’s not what “racism” actually means. Racism doesn’t have to involve any kind of power at all. Racial oppression is a different and worse thing.

Of course their needs aren’t actually any different than ours. Black Americans are still just regular Americans until they decide they aren’t. Seeing them be just as extreme as the wingnuts is very off-putting.

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No Country For Old Haters  Aug 18, 2015 • 12:15:04pm

re: #142 Kragar

The people who were the most offended by the songs “Fuck the police” and “Cop Killer” are the ones who say they need assault rifles to defend themselves from tyranny and show up at Bundy Ranch.

People were super-upset about Cop Killer on this blog. The weird thing is they didn’t seem to care about the track about killing his own mother on the same album. There used to be a lot of cop worship here.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 18, 2015 • 12:16:25pm

Missouri legislators consider intern dress code

And why would they consider such a thing, you may wonder?

JEFFERSON CITY — Lawmakers are weighing in with their suggestions on how to best improve the Missouri House intern policy, and one early notion being kicked around is establishing an intern dress code.

The idea was greeted with disdain by Democrats, and set off a firestorm on social media, with critics arguing that it was victim blaming that would do nothing to address the problem of sexual harassment.

Rep. Kevin Engler, a Farmington Republican, was chosen to lead the effort to craft a new policy after House Speaker John Diehl was forced to resign following revelations by The Star that he exchanged sexually suggestive texts with a 19-year-old House intern. Two months later, Sen. Paul LeVota, an Independence Democrat, announced his resignation after two interns accused him of sexual harassment.

oh, those saucy temptress interns…

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No Country For Old Haters  Aug 18, 2015 • 12:18:46pm

re: #147 Backwoods_Sleuth

Missouri legislators consider intern dress code

And why would they consider such a thing, you may wonder?

oh, those saucy temptress interns…

They’re Republicans. It’s likely that a lot of the interns who tempt them are young men.

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Kragar  Aug 18, 2015 • 12:18:48pm

CCJ Alert

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No Country For Old Haters  Aug 18, 2015 • 12:19:56pm

re: #149 Kragar

CCJ Alert

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#FergusonFireside  Aug 18, 2015 • 12:20:03pm

re: #145 No Country For Old Haters

His definition seems contrived to support his beliefs and the racism of the black people he associates with. It’s not what “racism” actually means. Racism doesn’t have to involve any kind of power at all. Racial oppression is a different and worse thing.

Of course their needs aren’t actually any different than ours. Black Americans are still just regular Americans until they decide they aren’t. Seeing them be just as extreme as the wingnuts is very off-putting.

Really? It’s their fault the police are extrajudicially killing them?

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Nyet  Aug 18, 2015 • 12:20:06pm

The redefinition of racism as “power + prejudice” only makes sense if you’re talking about the systemic/institutional racism. Yes, it’s the white power structure in the US, so it’s the white racism by default, that much is obvious. I still wouldn’t find that def all that useful in such a case, because it ignores the local power differentials, which may differ from the main one.

Using this definition to talk about the individual racism is pretty much impossible without devolving into absurdities like “blacks can’t be racist against whites” (even if we are talking about the very same eliminationist rhetoric, just with the races switched), NOI isn’t racist, etc.

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No Country For Old Haters  Aug 18, 2015 • 12:20:47pm

re: #151 #FergusonFireside

Really? It’s their fault the police are extrajudicially killing them?

No, it’s just as much our problem that the police are killing anyone. It’s not just their problem.

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Ian G.  Aug 18, 2015 • 12:20:49pm

re: #144 Kragar

Yeah, I wouldn’t mind seeing a zombie apocalypse right about now, with Thaddeus Stevens and the rest of the Radical Republicans of 1865 feasting on the “brains” of people like Jindal.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 18, 2015 • 12:20:50pm

re: #149 Kragar

CCJ Alert

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that second sentence…LOL

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The Vicious Babushka  Aug 18, 2015 • 12:23:11pm

re: #154 Ian G.

Yeah, I wouldn’t mind seeing a zombie apocalypse right about now, with Thaddeus Stevens and the rest of the Radical Republicans of 1865 feasting on the “brains” of people like Jindal.

They would starve.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Aug 18, 2015 • 12:24:41pm

re: #145 No Country For Old Haters

His definition seems contrived to support his beliefs and the racism of the black people he associates with. It’s not what “racism” actually means. Racism doesn’t have to involve any kind of power at all. Racial oppression is a different and worse thing.

Of course their needs aren’t actually any different than ours. Black Americans are still just regular Americans until they decide they aren’t. Seeing them be just as extreme as the wingnuts is very off-putting.

Your first paragraph is a semantic argument, but the definition that you insist isn’t valid is very widely used, generally by people on the lower side of the power scale. And it’s pretty close to definition number 2 for racism at dictionary.com:

1. a belief or doctrine that inherent differences among the various human racial groups determine cultural or individual achievement, usually involving the idea that one’s own race is superior and has the right to dominate others or that a particular racial group is inferior to the others.

2. a policy, system of government, etc., based upon or fostering such a doctrine; discrimination.

3. hatred or intolerance of another race or other races.

OTOH, the definition I believe you’re using isn’t in there. Nothing in there about there being differences in what each group may need/want.

The second paragraph, I STRONGLY disagree with. The thing is, blacks aren’t the ones who separated themselves from the mainstream, nor are they the ones who put themselves on the down side of the power structure. so, to say, “Black Americans are still just regular Americans until they decide they aren’t.” just seems nonsensical. I’d say Black Americans will never be just regular Americans until we all decide they are, and stop treating them differently, and generally worse than we treat whites.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 18, 2015 • 12:24:43pm

Well speaking of zombie brains. I’m one happy amateur genealogist today since I’m pretty certain that I can say I found the final resting spot of my great great grandparents. Sites like Find a Grave and Ancestry are such amazing resources. I really feel like making a trip to Pittsburgh one of these days and getting some flowers to put on these graves. These people may be long gone but they’re not forgotten here. Now if only there were some photographs to match the names to faces. But alas I have accomplished more than I ever dreamed I would when I set out on this project.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 18, 2015 • 12:25:14pm

re: #156 The Vicious Babushka

They would starve.

Nah, they’d probably get sick from eating a rotten brain. Jindal has a brain. He just chooses not to use it.

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Jenner7  Aug 18, 2015 • 12:25:14pm

re: #153 No Country For Old Haters

No, it’s just as much our problem that the police are killing anyone. It’s not just their problem.

But the police aren’t just killing “anyone”, they are killing black people at a startling rate.

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blueraven  Aug 18, 2015 • 12:25:17pm

re: #116 No Country For Old Haters

It’s too bad that these activists are racists. It really undermines their cause.

How in the hell is that racist? Disagree with them if you want, but that sounds like right wing garbage.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 18, 2015 • 12:26:28pm

re: #134 lawhawk

OFFS

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Since when is it newsworthy when there’s no violence at a movie showing? Oh wait; this isn’t Batman Returns Dark Knight Rises or Trainwreck, is it?

Nope. It’s Straight Outta Compton? That gets news coverage for the fact that no violence occurred. Why would there be any? Nothing like a little racism and prejudice to juice the headlines.

Fuck the media.

And the film on the Holocaust only resulted in one genocide. // Seriously CNN. Just stop trying to be like Fox.

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No Country For Old Haters  Aug 18, 2015 • 12:32:59pm

re: #160 Jenner7

But the police aren’t just killing “anyone”, they are killing black people at a startling rate.

They’re also killing white people, though that gets less publicity because there aren’t a lot of white activists trying to rein in out of control cops. Frightened, out of control cops are a serious problem for us all, and would be even if it they were only killing black people. We’re all in this together.

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No Country For Old Haters  Aug 18, 2015 • 12:33:49pm

re: #161 blueraven

How in the hell is that racist? Disagree with them if you want, but that sounds like right wing garbage.

No it doesn’t. It’s BLM playing right into the hands of the right-wingers, and screwing themselves.

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No Country For Old Haters  Aug 18, 2015 • 12:38:20pm

re: #161 blueraven

How in the hell is that racist? Disagree with them if you want, but that sounds like right wing garbage.

I don’t disagree with a lot of what they want, but they really did reveal themselves to be racist, unless you pretend that racism requires power.

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Nyet  Aug 18, 2015 • 12:38:43pm

You’re both right.

The focus on the black lives is legitimate, because there’s an anti-black bias.

And it is also true that the police behavior is not reducible to only the anti-black bias: the police hubris, rotten “culture” and impunity also play a role.

Venn.

Blacks suffer disproportionately. When whites suffer, cops don’t get punished in many cases too, so, one could ask, what chance do the black people have if even many whites don’t get justice?

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Nyet  Aug 18, 2015 • 12:41:48pm

I found this article about the definition to be quite enlightening:

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No Country For Old Haters  Aug 18, 2015 • 12:43:44pm

re: #166 Nyet

You’re both right.

The focus on the black lives is legitimate, because there’s an anti-black bias.

And it is also true that the police behavior is not reducible to only the anti-black bias: the police hubris, rotten “culture” and impunity also play a role.

Blacks suffer disproportionately. When whites suffer, cops don’t get punished in many cases too, so, one could ask, what chance to the black people have if even many whites don’t get justice?

I suspect there’s also a big anti-poor bias. Poor people have it bad in America these days. Of course institutional racism is so bad here that well-off, highly educated black people are still assaulted by cops in their own homes, so even having money doesn’t keep you safe if you’re skin is dark. Dividing ourselves over something as trivial as skin-color is insane, but we’ve been doing it for centuries.

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harvson3  Aug 18, 2015 • 12:44:23pm

To deny birthright citizenship is to make these people into stateless persons. To send them out of the country of their birth, where they may or may not have family or membership, to set them adrift, is beyond the pale.

There’s historical precedent in this. I was reading Hannah Arendt’s The Origins of Totalitarianism (Aug 1959 printing) this morning. In Chapter Nine she writes of the stateless who emerged after the First World War (and later after the Second World War), chief among them the Jews and the Armenians.

Making people stateless dehumanizes them, denies them of their inalienable rights with which they are endowed, by placing them outside the political community that grants and protects rights. Making people stateless was one of the steps in the rise of totalitarianism, right before the Nuremberg Laws and “the distinction between Reich citizens (full citizens) and nationals (secondly class citizens without political rights)” (288). If they don’t belong here, and here is the only home they’ve known, then they belong nowhere and to no country.

Just a quote, taken in hindsight:

The survivors of the extermination camps …. were regarded as savages and, afraid that they might end by being considered beasts, they insisted on their nationality, the last sign of their former citizenship, as their only remaining and recognized tie with humanity. Their distrust of natural, their preference for national, rights comes precisely from their realization that natural rights are granted even to savages. Burke had already feared that natural “inalienable” rights would confirm only the “right of the naked savage,”’ and therefore reduce civilized nations to the status of savagery. Because only savages have nothing more to fall back upon than the minimum fact of their human origin, people cling to their nationality all the more desperately when they have lost the rights and protection that such nationality once gave them. Only their past with its “entailed inheritance” seems to attest to the fact that they still belong to the civilized world.

If a human being loses his political status, he should, according to the implications of the inborn and inalienable rights of man, come under exactly the situation for which the declarations of such general rights provided. Actually the opposite is the case. It seems that a man who is nothing but a man has lost the very qualities which make it possible for other people to treat him as a fellow-man. This is one of the reasons why it is far more difficult to destroy the legal personality of a criminal, that is of a man who has taken upon himself the responsibility for an act whose consequences now determine his fate, than of a man who has been disallowed all common human responsibilities (300).

Like climate change, this isn’t a fun political debate between two sides. These are dangerous and offensive beliefs held by a far-too-significant portion of the American electorate, stoked by people (Ivy League college graduates, a former Rhodes Scholar) who should stop, think, and make atonement.

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CuriousLurker  Aug 18, 2015 • 12:47:57pm

re: #29 CriticalDragon1177

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I went to the source article SMOTI linked to about the Jerusalem story (at the absurd wingnut Investigative Project on Terrorism website) and they described it thus:

It shows a soldier preparing for battle. He puts on a Revolutionary Guard patch, and then a Qassam Brigades headband, followed by a ski mask and a Palestinian scarf around his neck, while arming himself with a machine gun and a pistol. As he puts on a helmet, we see him looking over Jerusalem’s Temple Mount, home of the Dome of the Rock and Al Aqsa mosque. The image pulls back, showing the soldier amid a sea of conquering troops.

LOL, my first thought was that it sounds like a Red Dawn inspired video, but modified for Iranian hardliners.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 18, 2015 • 12:48:26pm

re: #169 harvson3

welcome hatchling!

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aagcobb  Aug 18, 2015 • 12:49:20pm

re: #169 harvson3

Excellent first post! You should page that!

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Decatur Deb  Aug 18, 2015 • 12:49:27pm

re: #142 Kragar

The people who were the most offended by the songs “Fuck the police” and “Cop Killer” are the ones who say they need assault rifles to defend themselves from tyranny and show up at Bundy Ranch.

They, and the cops who already have more firepower than they can manage.

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BeachDem  Aug 18, 2015 • 12:50:26pm

re: #107 Nyet

The collective mind was lost quite some time before that, when lots of prominent Kossacks practically were in the “I wuv Chavez” mode. That said, the exaggerations about what the Kos folks are doing or not doing now remind me of the old wingnut method of finding an anti-Israel/antisemitic diary or comment there and claiming it was representative of the site as a whole. NJDHockeyFan used to do this.

I just thought it was funny that somebody was using GotNews as a reference. Sorry to stir up a hornet’s nest. But the Bernie fanatics at kos are brutal to anyone who disagrees with them, in particular, kos himself. They are VERY upset that kos is in the Hillary camp, and they are constantly going after him.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Aug 18, 2015 • 12:50:53pm

re: #168 No Country For Old Haters

I suspect there’s also a big anti-poor bias. Poor people have it bad in America these days. Of course institutional racism is so bad here that well-off, highly educated black people are still assaulted by cops in their own homes, so even having money doesn’t keep you safe if you’re skin is dark. Dividing ourselves over something as trivial as skin-color is insane, but we’ve been doing it for centuries.

There is anti-poor bias, but you don’t see cops pulling over people in nice cars because they look poor. To me you seem to be swinging very close to ‘All Lives Matter’, and minimizing the depth of the racial element in the problem.

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Lidane  Aug 18, 2015 • 12:52:06pm

*facepalm*

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Blind Frog Belly White  Aug 18, 2015 • 12:52:34pm

re: #167 Nyet

I see nothing but a big, blank space.

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Nyet  Aug 18, 2015 • 12:52:46pm

re: #174 BeachDem

I just thought it was funny that somebody was using GotNews as a reference. Sorry to stir up a hornet’s nest. But the Bernie fanatics at kos are brutal to anyone who disagrees with them, in particular, kos himself. They are VERY upset that kos is in the Hillary camp, and they are constantly going after him.

I don’t doubt that. Although MBNYC’s pro-Hillary diary got a good reception.

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blueraven  Aug 18, 2015 • 12:52:49pm

re: #175 Blind Frog Belly White

There is anti-poor bias, but you don’t see cops pulling over people in nice cars because they look poor. To me you seem to be swinging very close to ‘All Lives Matter’, and minimizing the depth of the racial element in the problem.

exactly

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Nyet  Aug 18, 2015 • 12:53:45pm

re: #177 Blind Frog Belly White

Something’s with your PDF plugin… ;)

Here’s the direct link.

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Mattand  Aug 18, 2015 • 12:54:08pm

re: #176 Lidane

*facepalm*]

One of Jon Stewart’s biggest fails as an interviewer was letting Barton of the hook so easily. For whatever reason, Stewart decided Barton’s horseshit wasn’t worth challenging.

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bratwurst  Aug 18, 2015 • 12:54:56pm

Texas official shared Facebook post calling for nuking Muslims

Texas Agriculture Commissioner Sid Miller won’t be apologizing for a controversial Facebook post that called on the U.S. to drop an atomic bomb on Muslim countries, at least according to his political consultant and spokesman.
“We thought the post was very thought-provoking and we’re not going to apologize for it,” Todd M. Smith told POLITICO.

Being a Texas Republican means never having to say you’re sorry!

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Decatur Deb  Aug 18, 2015 • 12:56:30pm

re: #182 bratwurst

Texas official shared Facebook post calling for nuking Muslims

Being a Texas Republican means never having to say you’re sorry!

Best he sticks to counting cows.

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Nyet  Aug 18, 2015 • 12:56:35pm

re: #182 bratwurst

I won’t write what should be done to that asshole, so I won’t have to apologize ;)

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HappyWarrior  Aug 18, 2015 • 12:56:47pm

re: #182 bratwurst

Texas official shared Facebook post calling for nuking Muslims

Being a Texas Republican means never having to say you’re sorry!

Here’s a thought provoking statement, Mr. Miller, you’re no better than the Muslim extremists you claim to hate.

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Nyet  Aug 18, 2015 • 12:58:16pm

Eliminationist rhetoric, how do you like that.

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Belafon  Aug 18, 2015 • 12:58:53pm

#175 Blind Frog Belly White:

I don’t think we want to equate every time someone points out specific groups that are suffering along with blacks into “All Lives Matter.” It minimizes those groups as well who do have their own issues (poor children who graduate at the top of their high school class only finish college at the rate of wealthy children who barely passed high school, for instance).

Instead, I think we should acknowledge them as well and then point out to poor whites that their racism is blinding them to the fac that suppressing minorities affects them, is not the way to treat other people, and that the wealthy are using their racism to rob them as well. Or something like this. You get the idea.

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bratwurst  Aug 18, 2015 • 1:02:42pm

Keep meaning to ask: anyone else notice that unskewedpolls.com is now a German-language women’s beauty site?!?!

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jaunte  Aug 18, 2015 • 1:03:22pm

re: #188 bratwurst

Der Unold EasyTwist Lockenstab ist für mich die Top 1 unter den Lockenstäben!

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jaunte  Aug 18, 2015 • 1:03:57pm

Why doesn’t German have a word for Easy Twist?

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Aug 18, 2015 • 1:04:36pm

re: #189 jaunte

Der Unold EasyTwist Lockenstab ist für mich die Top 1 unter den Lockenstäben!

Be forever young with products from Unold!!!

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jaunte  Aug 18, 2015 • 1:05:30pm

re: #191 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

Unold ist für mich die Top 1 goal!

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Aug 18, 2015 • 1:05:36pm

re: #190 jaunte

Why doesn’t German have a word for Easy Twist?

“Einfachehandhabungslockenwickler” just don’t got that ring

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Nyet  Aug 18, 2015 • 1:06:15pm

re: #188 bratwurst

Keep meaning to ask: anyone else notice that unskewedpolls.com is now a German-language women’s beauty site?!?!

Well, its credibility just went up significantly.

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Nyet  Aug 18, 2015 • 1:07:16pm

re: #190 jaunte

Why doesn’t German have a word for Easy Twist?

Could be a brand name?

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Blind Frog Belly White  Aug 18, 2015 • 1:07:57pm

re: #188 bratwurst

Keep meaning to ask: anyone else notice that unskewedpolls.com is now a German-language women’s beauty site?!?!

Perhaps it was bought by someone named Unske W. Edpolls?

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Blind Frog Belly White  Aug 18, 2015 • 1:09:00pm

re: #187 Belafon

I wasn’t. My comment referred to the totality of his comments.

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Decatur Deb  Aug 18, 2015 • 1:09:30pm

re: #186 Nyet

Eliminationist rhetoric, how do you like that.

Has a honored pedigree. “The only good Canaanite Albigensian Cheyenne Muslim is a dead….”

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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Aug 18, 2015 • 1:09:56pm

re: #191 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

Be forever young with products from Unold!!!

unold products will make your ancestors come back to life!

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Aug 18, 2015 • 1:10:31pm

re: #199 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸

unold products will make your ancestors come back to life!

Undead with Unold!!!

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Nyet  Aug 18, 2015 • 1:11:19pm

Unold Ungreat Ones.

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jaunte  Aug 18, 2015 • 1:11:39pm

Fear the Walking Unold.

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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Aug 18, 2015 • 1:11:50pm

re: #188 bratwurst

Keep meaning to ask: anyone else notice that unskewedpolls.com is now a German-language women’s beauty site?!?!

The portal Unskewed Polls concerned with the beauty of the woman. We women have to take some areas our bodies, the constant care. While there are many women magazines like the freundin.de or gofeminin.de, but you will be inundated with information since. It’s hard to pick out the right one for yourself. That is why we have made ​​it our mission to be covered with as little content as many topics as possible. Quality rather than quantity! If you look at major portals to you will soon discover that there are about cellulite example 30-50 items. Where do you start? Now what really helps? We want all summed up in a crisp product and present as women seeking the right solution quickly. The same applies, for example, for curling irons or similar On the Internet there is a huge flood of information for women who are looking for suitable beauty tips. But the right one finds only very sparsely, because you do not filter options.

So, if you’re a Lady, who pays attention to her beauty and looks for crisp methods, you’re on Unskewed polls right place!

Your Unskewed Polls Team.

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Black d20  Aug 18, 2015 • 1:12:51pm

re: #165 No Country For Old Haters

It usually does. I much prefer using bigotry over racism when it comes to disgust at another over race. Racism usually also includes social structure and legal authority as enforcement of The Rules. It can certainly happen the other way(s), but most power structures in the US are solidly caucasian-centric.

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blueraven  Aug 18, 2015 • 1:12:56pm

re: #168 No Country For Old Haters

I suspect there’s also a big anti-poor bias. Poor people have it bad in America these days. Of course institutional racism is so bad here that well-off, highly educated black people are still assaulted by cops in their own homes, so even having money doesn’t keep you safe if you’re skin is dark. Dividing ourselves over something as trivial as skin-color is insane, but we’ve been doing it for centuries.

Sure, poor people have a hard time. Poor people come in all colors. But who gets called out as welfare queens? Often times by the poor white people. The division is real and has been there for the decades since the civil rights movement.

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Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Aug 18, 2015 • 1:13:46pm

re: #188 bratwurst

Keep meaning to ask: anyone else notice that unskewedpolls.com is now a German-language women’s beauty site?!?!

UpChuck should get in on that action for GotNews?

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Black d20  Aug 18, 2015 • 1:14:51pm

re: #145 No Country For Old Haters

Black Americans are still just regular Americans until they decide they aren’t.

I desperately wish that was true on the practical levels where it matters most. I really do.

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Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Aug 18, 2015 • 1:15:19pm

re: #170 CuriousLurker

I went to the source article SMOTI linked to about the Jerusalem story (at the absurd wingnut Investigative Project on Terrorism website) and they described it thus:

LOL, my first thought was that it sounds like a Red Dawn inspired video, but modified for Iranian hardliners.

WOLVERINES!!!!!!1

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Nyet  Aug 18, 2015 • 1:20:25pm

Boston Dynamics’ Atlas Robot Tested Outside

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Lidane  Aug 18, 2015 • 1:20:50pm
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Nyet  Aug 18, 2015 • 1:22:00pm

re: #209 Nyet

It gets scary when he says “ability within shooting range of yours”. ;)

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aagcobb  Aug 18, 2015 • 1:22:54pm

Hilton Hotels will no longer offer Pay per view porn. Touted as a victory by the National Center on Sexual Exlpoitation, its probably due to plunging revenue as people use Wi-Fi to watch porn on their personal electronics.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 18, 2015 • 1:22:54pm

re: #210 Lidane

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I am sure you will right after Cheney and Bush get arrested.//

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Nyet  Aug 18, 2015 • 1:23:04pm

OK, what’s with the wiping attempt?

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The Vicious Babushka  Aug 18, 2015 • 1:23:26pm

re: #181 Mattand

One of Jon Stewart’s biggest fails as an interviewer was letting Barton of the hook so easily. For whatever reason, Stewart decided Barton’s horseshit wasn’t worth challenging.

Well maybe he thought it was so outrageous that it debunked itself.

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ObserverArt  Aug 18, 2015 • 1:24:25pm

re: #211 Nyet

It gets scary when he says “ability within shooting range of yours”. ;)

What, you don’t think this is military technology?

/

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Nyet  Aug 18, 2015 • 1:25:31pm

re: #216 ObserverArt

I would be surprised if the military doesn’t already have something more advanced :)

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HappyWarrior  Aug 18, 2015 • 1:25:46pm

re: #215 The Vicious Babushka

Well maybe he thought it was so outrageous that it debunked itself.

True Barton does resemble almost a right wing parody at times but I see Matt’s point that Stewart could have gone after him harder.

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CleverToad  Aug 18, 2015 • 1:26:52pm

re: #204 Black d20

Good distinction between the connotations of ‘bigotry’ and ‘racism’

Semantics matter

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Blind Frog Belly White  Aug 18, 2015 • 1:29:24pm

re: #214 Nyet

OK, what’s with the wiping attempt?

I believe it’s based on the rules. IIRC, the relevant ones specified that the official whose account it is is the one who makes the determination of what emails are work-related and which aren’t. Having turned over the emails that HRC determined were work-related, the remainder, keeping them on her own personal server, now that she’s a private citizen, might be tantamount to keeping piles of State Department paper documents.

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ObserverArt  Aug 18, 2015 • 1:29:57pm

re: #217 Nyet

I would be surprised if the military doesn’t already have something more advanced :)

Exactly. Usually what is released for public consumption is a few years behind what is back in the lab.

But like all military tech, it will have other uses too. Advanced prosthetic applications for one.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Aug 18, 2015 • 1:32:05pm

re: #210 Lidane

Keep in mind, I’m still not sold on Hillary. And honestly, I would be surprised if she wins. But a troll deserves a good trolling.

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Jenner7  Aug 18, 2015 • 1:33:24pm
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Nyet  Aug 18, 2015 • 1:33:47pm

re: #219 CleverToad

Good distinction between the connotations of ‘bigotry’ and ‘racism’

Semantics matter

I’d say, racism (per the classical definition) is the subset of bigotry. Or, more simply, classically defined, racism is racial bigotry.

oxforddictionaries.com

Prejudice, discrimination, or antagonism directed against someone of a different race based on the belief that one’s own race is superior

The belief that all members of each race possess characteristics or abilities specific to that race, especially so as to distinguish it as inferior or superior to another race or races

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aagcobb  Aug 18, 2015 • 1:34:24pm

In good news for African-Americans, Black youth employment has completely rebounded to pre-recession levels.
vox.com

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blueraven  Aug 18, 2015 • 1:34:56pm

re: #220 Blind Frog Belly White

I believe it’s based on the rules. IIRC, the relevant ones specified that the official whose account it is is the one who makes the determination of what emails are work-related and which aren’t. Having turned over the emails that HRC determined were work-related, the remainder, keeping them on her own personal server, now that she’s a private citizen, might be tantamount to keeping piles of State Department paper documents.

I would love to see all of Colin Powell’s emails…but alas, that is never going to happen.
This whole mess is over what emails should be released to the public. That different government agencies disagree on what emails should have been classified is not surprising but is sure causing a lot of stink.

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ObserverArt  Aug 18, 2015 • 1:35:09pm

Charles, I just went to check my recent comments to see where I left off in the last thread before running out for some errands. When I click on the recent comments button it opens a new page and nothing pops up. All I see is a total blank page. Never saw that happen before. I thought I’d mention it for you to check it.

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Nyet  Aug 18, 2015 • 1:35:14pm

re: #223 Jenner7

Shut up and die, Georgie.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 18, 2015 • 1:35:29pm

re: #223 Jenner7

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Please tell me that’s really not him and just some dummy profile.

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Decatur Deb  Aug 18, 2015 • 1:36:06pm

re: #225 aagcobb

In good mixed news for African-Americans, Black youth employment has completely rebounded to pre-recession levels.
vox.com

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Blind Frog Belly White  Aug 18, 2015 • 1:36:08pm

re: #220 Blind Frog Belly White

And the response to ‘How can we trust Hillary to make that determination, of what is personal and what is official?’ is - she was the Secretary of Fucking State, a position of enormous responsibility and trust. She resigned from the position in good standing. She didn’t resign under a cloud, or get impeached, convicted, and removed from office.

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Iwouldprefernotto  Aug 18, 2015 • 1:36:11pm

From Slate

Bill Kristol Has Been Wrong About Donald Trump’s Imminent Demise at Least 10 Times

Headlines I could read forever.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 18, 2015 • 1:36:17pm

re: #225 aagcobb

In good news for African-Americans, Black youth employment has completely rebounded to pre-recession levels.
vox.com

But but Obama.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 18, 2015 • 1:36:40pm

re: #232 Iwouldprefernotto

From Slate

Bill Kristol Has Been Wrong About Donald Trump’s Imminent Demise at Least 10 Times

Headlines I could read forever.

I read Bill Kristol has been wrong and stopped there.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Aug 18, 2015 • 1:38:13pm

re: #229 HappyWarrior

Please tell me that’s really not him and just some dummy profile.

George Zimmerman, Dummy - What’s the difference?

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Nyet  Aug 18, 2015 • 1:38:37pm

re: #229 HappyWarrior

Please tell me that’s really not him and just some dummy profile.

It’s him.

buzzfeed.com

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The Vicious Babushka  Aug 18, 2015 • 1:39:57pm
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Nyet  Aug 18, 2015 • 1:40:24pm
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HappyWarrior  Aug 18, 2015 • 1:41:00pm

re: #236 Nyet

It’s him.

buzzfeed.com

Holy fuck batman.

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Jenner7  Aug 18, 2015 • 1:41:33pm

MSNBC’s headline

Number of classified Clinton emails soars

Then right under headline:

A team from the U.S. Intelligence community says it flagged 305 emails from her private server for further review because they could contain classified information.

msnbc.com

Really MSNBC??

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HappyWarrior  Aug 18, 2015 • 1:41:45pm

re: #235 Blind Frog Belly White

George Zimmerman, Dummy - What’s the difference?

Ha touche. SMDH though. He’s even more unhinged than I imagined.

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Charles Johnson  Aug 18, 2015 • 1:42:22pm
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CuriousLurker  Aug 18, 2015 • 1:43:19pm

re: #227 ObserverArt

Charles, I just went to check my recent comments to see where I left off in the last thread before running out for some errands. When I click on the recent comments button it opens a new page and nothing pops up. All I see is a total blank page. Never saw that happen before. I thought I’d mention it for you to check it.

He must be tinkering under the hood again—I’m getting the same result.

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Jenner7  Aug 18, 2015 • 1:43:27pm

re: #242 Charles Johnson

Wow. Not cool.

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Nyet  Aug 18, 2015 • 1:44:28pm

re: #242 Charles Johnson

Uncivil War, anybody?

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HappyWarrior  Aug 18, 2015 • 1:44:42pm

079” class=”rep”>#242 Charles Johnson

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Nice people Nolte’s got. See that Wilson backed down later.

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Charles Johnson  Aug 18, 2015 • 1:44:51pm

re: #227 ObserverArt

Charles, I just went to check my recent comments to see where I left off in the last thread before running out for some errands. When I click on the recent comments button it opens a new page and nothing pops up. All I see is a total blank page. Never saw that happen before. I thought I’d mention it for you to check it.

Thanks - fixed now.

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Decatur Deb  Aug 18, 2015 • 1:45:12pm

re: #242 Charles Johnson

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He’s awfully reflective for a thug.

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ObserverArt  Aug 18, 2015 • 1:45:24pm

re: #240 Jenner7

MSNBC’s headline

Number of classified Clinton emails soars

Then right under headline:

A team from the U.S. Intelligence community says it flagged 305 emails from her private server for further review because they could contain classified information.

msnbc.com

Really MSNBC??

Really. Sadly. The new media. Negatives sell, detailed facts not so much so they aren’t needed.

And remember, they have a new daddy owner to answer to and Chuck Todd and Brian Williams are headed for new positions there too.

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Nyet  Aug 18, 2015 • 1:45:39pm

re: #245 Nyet

And he said that after she made fun of rape threats against his daughter.

They’re all horrible people.

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The alpuzzzzz from Wisconsin  Aug 18, 2015 • 1:45:48pm

re: #248 Decatur Deb

It’s the tie.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 18, 2015 • 1:45:55pm

This is how they treat each other.

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BeachDem  Aug 18, 2015 • 1:46:11pm

re: #232 Iwouldprefernotto

From Slate

Bill Kristol Has Been Wrong About Donald Trump’s Imminent Demise at Least 10 Times everything he has every predicted

Headlines I could read forever.

FIFY

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HappyWarrior  Aug 18, 2015 • 1:46:22pm

re: #250 Nyet

And he said that after she made fun of rape threats against his daughter.

They’re all horrible people.

who all deserve to be together when the GOP and right enter political purgatory.

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The Vicious Babushka  Aug 18, 2015 • 1:46:37pm

Here’s where all the white women at!

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Blind Frog Belly White  Aug 18, 2015 • 1:47:00pm

re: #248 Decatur Deb

He’s awfully reflective for a thug.

Hey, a lot of us bald guys are a little shiny in places!
/////

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Higgs Boson's Mate  Aug 18, 2015 • 1:47:23pm

re: #240 Jenner7

Bear in mind that most every piece of paper generated within some parts of the government, and most parts of the military, is considered classified.

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Lidane  Aug 18, 2015 • 1:47:27pm

re: #232 Iwouldprefernotto

From Slate

Bill Kristol Has Been Wrong About Donald Trump’s Imminent Demise at Least 10 Times.

Shorter Slate headline: It’s Tuesday

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Decatur Deb  Aug 18, 2015 • 1:47:46pm

Gonna spend the next 16 months jones’n after 538.

Is The Republican Establishment Losing Control Of The Party?

fivethirtyeight.com

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Nyet  Aug 18, 2015 • 1:47:58pm

re: #255 The Vicious Babushka

As if anybody expected better from Alabama. (Sry, DD)

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Blind Frog Belly White  Aug 18, 2015 • 1:48:10pm

re: #250 Nyet

And he said that after she made fun of rape threats against his daughter.

They’re all horrible people.

The enemy of my enemy also sucks.

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ObserverArt  Aug 18, 2015 • 1:48:11pm

re: #252 HappyWarrior

This is how they treat eat each other.

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Aug 18, 2015 • 1:48:22pm

re: #238 Nyet

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That looks like some truly disturbed and psychotic primitive art.

American politics has become a bad, bad parody of itself.

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Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Aug 18, 2015 • 1:48:31pm

re: #246 HappyWarrior

079” class=”rep”>#242 Charles Johnson

Nice people Nolte’s got. See that Wilson backed down later.

“Sorry if anyone was offended….”

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HappyWarrior  Aug 18, 2015 • 1:48:49pm

re: #261 Blind Frog Belly White

The enemy of my enemy also sucks.

Yeah. I’m just going to sit here and watch these hateful fucks tear each other apart.

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Decatur Deb  Aug 18, 2015 • 1:49:04pm

re: #255 The Vicious Babushka

Here’s where all the white women at!

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(Leafing madly through the Auburn jokebook.) Nah.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 18, 2015 • 1:49:08pm

re: #262 ObserverArt

mmmmmm right wing cannibal cookin.

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The Vicious Babushka  Aug 18, 2015 • 1:49:10pm

re: #260 Nyet

As if anybody expected better from Alabama. (Sry, DD)

My son lives in Alabama.

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Lidane  Aug 18, 2015 • 1:49:16pm

re: #242 Charles Johnson

It’s real:

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Nyet  Aug 18, 2015 • 1:49:32pm
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Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Aug 18, 2015 • 1:49:42pm

re: #238 Nyet

Help us keep up the fight!

Maybe if he could stay out of one for a few days….

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ObserverArt  Aug 18, 2015 • 1:50:00pm

re: #257 Higgs Boson’s Mate

Bear in mind that most every piece of paper generated within some parts of the government, and most parts of the military, is considered classified.

And are there not several different classifications of classified?

(A little alliteration never hurts…)

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Decatur Deb  Aug 18, 2015 • 1:50:03pm

re: #260 Nyet

As if anybody expected better from Alabama. (Sry, DD)

S’OK. We go to the other school.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Aug 18, 2015 • 1:50:41pm

re: #238 Nyet

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But he’s totally not a racist!

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BeachDem  Aug 18, 2015 • 1:51:01pm

re: #229 HappyWarrior

Please tell me that’s really not him and just some dummy profile.

It’s him.

buzzfeed.com

littlegreenfootballs.com

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Blind Frog Belly White  Aug 18, 2015 • 1:52:26pm

re: #270 Nyet

[Embedded content]

That answer is barely better than Palin’s ‘All of them!’.

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CuriousLurker  Aug 18, 2015 • 1:53:14pm

re: #250 Nyet

And he said that after she made fun of rape threats against his daughter.

They’re all horrible people.

This. They’re all rolling around in the mud with each other, then they start whining when they stand up and find themselves covered in filth. I’m finding it increasingly difficult to scrape up empathy for them, especially trolls like Coulter who are constantly lobbing shit grenades into the public sphere.

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Nyet  Aug 18, 2015 • 1:54:26pm

re: #276 Blind Frog Belly White

Bush Political Philosopher

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Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Aug 18, 2015 • 1:55:03pm

re: #270 Nyet

“@Evan_Abraham: @TherealGeorgeZ who is your favorite author? Also can I get a follow back?” Jesus
— George Zimmerman

Begging George Z for a follow back isn’t a good look.

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The alpuzzzzz from Wisconsin  Aug 18, 2015 • 1:55:52pm

re: #277 CuriousLurker

Why would you(or anyone) ever have empathy for Coulter?

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HappyWarrior  Aug 18, 2015 • 1:56:59pm

re: #269 Lidane

It’s real:

[Embedded content]

Well that’s why even though I don’t like or make Man Coulter jokes that I don’t exactly feel sorry for when she gets mocked. That said, I don’t do it or like it but Coulter does everything possible to come off as a miserable person.

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Usually refered to as anyways  Aug 18, 2015 • 1:57:29pm

Views on whether I have crossed a line?
Sometimes Aussie humour can be a bit over the edge.

2016 Republican Immigration Policy



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Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Aug 18, 2015 • 1:58:28pm

re: #282 Usually refered to as anyways

Nah, I think ya kinda nailed it.

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Usually refered to as anyways  Aug 18, 2015 • 1:58:49pm

re: #282 Usually refered to as anyways

Doh…

Pro tip,
Don’t cut and paste a ‘div’, thinking your making something private.

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SteelPH  Aug 18, 2015 • 1:58:55pm

re: #282 Usually refered to as anyways

Nah, pretty accurate.

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Nyet  Aug 18, 2015 • 1:59:04pm

re: #281 HappyWarrior

A “Man Coulter” joke insults more than Coulter.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 18, 2015 • 1:59:04pm

re: #282 Usually refered to as anyways

Views on whether I have crossed a line?
Sometimes Aussie humour can be a bit over the edge.

2016 Republican Imigration Policy

[Embedded content]

I dunno. I hate making KKK comps just as I did in the past with comparing the RR to the Taliban but when the R’s are sounding like the Know Nothing Party in how they regard immigrants then I think it’s fair game. Don’t want to be liken to the KKK, don’t have a frontrunning candidate like Trump that calls Mexicans rapists.

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blueraven  Aug 18, 2015 • 1:59:33pm

Is our Republicans learning? /

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HappyWarrior  Aug 18, 2015 • 1:59:40pm

re: #286 Nyet

A “Man Coulter” joke insults more than Coulter.

Exactly which is why we shouldn’t make those jokes. Calling her an ugly person inside and out though I think is legit though.

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bratwurst  Aug 18, 2015 • 1:59:49pm

No no no…it was bad enough when I felt the need to defend Megyn Kelly. I don’t want to even THINK about defending Coulter.

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Higgs Boson's Mate  Aug 18, 2015 • 2:00:16pm

re: #272 ObserverArt

And are there not several different classifications of classified?

(A little alliteration never hurts…)

There isn’t exactly a canonical cascade of classification. Some agencies divide up the categories; classified, secret, etc., into subcategories. I haven’t been around this sort of thing since the Eighties so it’s likely changed.

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Nyet  Aug 18, 2015 • 2:00:43pm

re: #289 HappyWarrior

Or better yet, leave out all appearance judgments (unless she brings it up herself; then it’s fair game).

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Usually refered to as anyways  Aug 18, 2015 • 2:01:07pm

re: #282 Usually refered to as anyways

Views on whether I have crossed a line?
Sometimes Aussie humour can be a bit over the edge.

2016 Republican Immigration Policy

[Embedded content]

Oh and all lgf’ers may share this.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 18, 2015 • 2:01:13pm

re: #290 bratwurst

No no no…it was bad enough when I felt the need to defend Megyn Kelly. I don’t want to even THINK about defending Coulter.

Oh not saying that I like the jokes or approve. I just don’t feel bad for her when she gets mocked. Still though, I’ll defend her or call out Mann Coulter jokes. They’re silly and immature. I just don’t feel sorry for her when she gets insulted but as Sergey correctly points out calling her Mann Coulter is a lot more offensive than just her and frankly is something she would do.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 18, 2015 • 2:02:07pm

re: #292 Nyet

Or better yet, leave out all appearance judgments (unless she brings it up herself; then it’s fair game).

Sure absolutely. I think FWIW she has brought up personal appearance before. She’s fond of insulting the looks of liberal women. I could care less about her looks honestly. She could be the most beautiful woman on earth to me and she’d still be the fascist witch she is.

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Nyet  Aug 18, 2015 • 2:02:29pm

I used to make fun of Rush’s weight, but it was immature and plain bad.

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EPR-radar  Aug 18, 2015 • 2:03:06pm

re: #277 CuriousLurker

This. They’re all rolling around in the mud with each other, then they start whining when they stand up and find themselves covered in filth. I’m finding it increasingly difficult to scrape up empathy for them, especially trolls like Coulter who are constantly lobbing shit grenades into the public sphere.

Ann Coulter thoroughly deserves every bit of verbal nastiness she has received or will receive the rest of her life. She has been nothing but a demagogue her entire career.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 18, 2015 • 2:03:37pm

I do try to be a bigger man but man these people test you. I’ve been guilty of making cracks about Rush’s weight and to my shame in my younger years I did make Coulter being manly looking jokes.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Aug 18, 2015 • 2:04:27pm

re: #292 Nyet

Or better yet, leave out all appearance judgments (unless she brings it up herself; then it’s fair game).

I think it’s fair game to point out that she’s made a lot of money being the pretty young blond who says outrageous stuff, so to point out that as she becomes less pretty and less young she has to say more outrageous stuff is fair. Similarly, I don’t think anyone’s marital and sexual status or history is fair game unless they lay claims to moral high ground.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 18, 2015 • 2:05:40pm

re: #242 Charles Johnson

[Embedded content]

LOL! Always fun when twitter truncates a headline.
Like what happened to Nikki Haley:

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HappyWarrior  Aug 18, 2015 • 2:06:02pm

Sorry if I implied it was okay to call her manly looking or call her ugly. I don’t think that’s okay but I really do think she deserves all the scorn she gets. We’re talking about a woman who insulted 9/11 widows because she didn’t like their political opinions. Could go on and on but Coulter is as EPR just said someone who has made a career of being a demagogue.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 18, 2015 • 2:06:48pm

re: #300 Backwoods_Sleuth

LOL! Always fun when twitter truncates a headline.
Like what happened to Nikki Haley:

Embedded Image

The true believers are going to be disappointed that Nikki Haley did not abolish public education.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Aug 18, 2015 • 2:08:00pm

re: #302 HappyWarrior

The true believers are going to be disappointed that Nikki Haley did not abolish public education.

Speaking of Nikki Haley, am I the only one who thinks she’s high on several candidate’s lists as a VP nominee?

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The alpuzzzzz from Wisconsin  Aug 18, 2015 • 2:08:21pm

re: #299 Blind Frog Belly White

Yeah, that. Or, she’s genuinely a nasty piece of work from head to toe. I’m not referring to her appearance, because I just can’t get beyond her overall shitty nature.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 18, 2015 • 2:09:30pm

re: #300 Backwoods_Sleuth

LOL! Always fun when twitter truncates a headline.
Like what happened to Nikki Haley:

[Embedded content]

hahahaha…
I clicked the Mediaite link and that’s exactly what the headline says. good grief!
:D

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CuriousLurker  Aug 18, 2015 • 2:09:45pm

Oooooooh, the blue pigment ink for my fountain pens just arrived!

BBL

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Nyet  Aug 18, 2015 • 2:11:10pm

re: #302 HappyWarrior

“I would do away with education…” (c) Perry

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makeitstop  Aug 18, 2015 • 2:11:52pm

re: #255 The Vicious Babushka

Here’s where all the white women at!

Alabama sorority’s recruitment video taken down after criticism over portrayal of women and lack of diversity

What lack of diversity? I saw a brunette in there!

//

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Higgs Boson's Mate  Aug 18, 2015 • 2:13:22pm

re: #306 CuriousLurker

Oooooooh, the blue pigment ink for my fountain pens just arrived!

BBL

I never wrote nothin’ that was worth $25 dollar-a-bottle ink.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 18, 2015 • 2:16:51pm

re: #303 Blind Frog Belly White

Speaking of Nikki Haley, am I the only one who thinks she’s high on several candidate’s lists as a VP nominee?

I think she’s definitely going to be vetted especially if they’re seen as having a problem with immigrants.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Aug 18, 2015 • 2:17:01pm

re: #304 The alpuzzzzz from Wisconsin

Yeah, that. Or, she’s genuinely a nasty piece of work from head to toe. I’m not referring to her appearance, because I just can’t get beyond her overall shitty nature.

Yeeesh, isn’t she, though? At one point, I thought she was kind of speaking hyperbolically, tongue in cheek. Now, she’s gotten so awful that it no longer matters.

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BeachDem  Aug 18, 2015 • 2:21:07pm

re: #310 HappyWarrior

I think she’s definitely going to be vetted especially if they’re seen as having a problem with immigrants.

If they really vet her, they’ll find she has enough baggage to travel around the world without doing laundry!

(Plus, she’s not very bright.)

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Black d20  Aug 18, 2015 • 2:24:03pm

re: #269 Lidane

I don’t like Rick Wilson much, but I follow him as he’s a good view into what Florida GOP politics looks like. He is more than willing to go toe-to-toe with a Coulter or similar, and straight despises Trump and his fans as should be obvious.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 18, 2015 • 2:24:20pm

re: #312 BeachDem

If they really vet her, they’ll find she has enough baggage to travel around the world without doing laundry!

(Plus, she’s not very bright.)

Yeah I’ve heard. I still think she’s someone they will look at though.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 18, 2015 • 2:24:45pm

re: #313 Black d20

I don’t like Rick Wilson much, but I follow him as he’s a good view into what Florida GOP politics looks like. He is more than willing to go toe-to-toe with a Coulter or similar, and straight despises Trump and his fans as should be obvious.

I take it he’s a Bush guy all the way. Or perhaps Rubio?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 18, 2015 • 2:24:56pm

re: #312 BeachDem

If they really vet her, they’ll find she has enough baggage to travel around the world without doing laundry!

(Plus, she’s not very bright.)

Palin already set the bar pretty low for VP.

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BeachDem  Aug 18, 2015 • 2:26:03pm

re: #316 Backwoods_Sleuth

Palin already set the bar pretty low for VP.

Once burned, twice shy? Nah—we’re talking Republicans here.

Also—one more thing I blame on Palin—the election of Nikki Haley. Until Palin came to SC to promote her, Nikki was languishing WAY behind, but the Pubs were in thrall of Palin and suddenly Nikki shot up in the polls.

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Black d20  Aug 18, 2015 • 2:27:35pm

re: #315 HappyWarrior

Hard to gauge, really. I think he’s a Bush guy, but he’s an in-general Establishment Republican that seems to not have much time for silliness.

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Varek Raith  Aug 18, 2015 • 2:46:05pm

re: #242 Charles Johnson

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Who’s this jackass?
Good grief.

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meteor  Aug 18, 2015 • 3:11:01pm

How do they plan on getting rid of an amendment? Pass another amendment? Have a Constitutional Convention? Throw the Constitution in the ocean?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 18, 2015 • 3:12:29pm

re: #320 meteor

How do they plan on getting rid of an amendment? Pass another amendment? Have a Constitutional Convention? Throw the Constitution in the ocean?

They have no clue about how the Constitution works.

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CriticalDragon1177  Aug 18, 2015 • 3:42:23pm

re: #176 Lidane

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Eric The Fruit Bat  Aug 18, 2015 • 3:56:39pm

re: #306 CuriousLurker

I loves me Jet Pens. They are my goto place for all writing utensils.

When it comes to mechanical pencils, you can’t touch Kuru Toga. And this is my main fountain pen.

Service has always been first rate.

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Eric The Fruit Bat  Aug 18, 2015 • 4:01:01pm

re: #299 Blind Frog Belly White

Well she has the “coke whore chic” look working for her.


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