Podcast o’ the Evening: The Bubble Genius Bob and Chez Show, 8/18/15

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Tonight on The Bubble Genius Bob & Chez Show:

19 Butt Demons and Counting: Nobody Wants Al Gore to Run; Hillary versus Bernie; Fox News Channel’s Insufferable Douchebag Jesse Watters Wants Slave Labor; Marco Rubio Decks a Kid with a Football; Lindsey Graham Wants to Pound Iraq; Ex-Gay Porn Star Says Demons Come Out of the Butt; Duggars Pitch a New Show; Hillary versus Black Lives Matter; and much more.

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356 comments
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Iwouldprefernotto  Aug 19, 2015 • 8:07:10pm

I’m going to bed. Call only if you need bail money.

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teleskiguy  Aug 19, 2015 • 8:07:55pm
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Dr. Matt  Aug 19, 2015 • 8:09:29pm

Food for thought:

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ninja cat  Aug 19, 2015 • 8:18:36pm

re: #3 Dr. Matt

My dad gave me 4 as a birthday present one year. He meant well.

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#FergusonFireside  Aug 19, 2015 • 8:19:57pm

re: #3 Dr. Matt

Food for thought:

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I hate it, but damn I feel safer which is good.

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Amory Blaine  Aug 19, 2015 • 8:21:16pm

Cool. Going to listen to the podcast while I peruse tablature for a new tune. Suggestions appreciated. (must be intermediate, at least somewhat popular, acoustic a plus).

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William Lewis  Aug 19, 2015 • 8:24:02pm

Probably not difficult enough but look at Downtown Train by Tom Waits?

Off to the hotel for me, though. Later Lizards.

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teleskiguy  Aug 19, 2015 • 8:27:34pm

The crescent moon has a more eerie off-white color tonight than in nights’ past. It’s oddly beautiful.

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teleskiguy  Aug 19, 2015 • 8:30:25pm

The man shot dead by St. Louis police tonight.

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teleskiguy  Aug 19, 2015 • 8:32:15pm

@deray has a blue check mark now. Just noticed.

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Timothy Watson  Aug 19, 2015 • 8:35:57pm

re: #10 teleskiguy

@deray has a blue check mark now. Just noticed.

Need to find out a way to make UpChuck aware of that. :)

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Charles Johnson  Aug 19, 2015 • 8:40:38pm
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teleskiguy  Aug 19, 2015 • 8:43:15pm

aowK6K8kYqWjgOuWC8IGtdaDs/7jkwsVilvEnm3H3004oO3mttk3UmOTnj0/d7i04Lv9wctyqxY5JNyGegjZmGnaPgf4vNy09bbEG6g/pU5C6gqklqFZplxwoyz/7nqV+3fCkAw/LlWMWbmotjbGcKBEP6QlyOZWvI8f98DPHN2bJzIvuNowXYb9bk+Ppc5UOq/cUP0uZ1+JcxCMCfbFny03ECAVlG1FVNpafrQvsWxFH1kC8Ufm9XS6HggJjMH8Y8kgoyg8091A37uIxDxFSCNfLmY7KEBhL01nXoMtosDleYLPqLvOxVxtdD7sQEncm0mw33spbD09KT6doW3GQ4AcmMOCdPEy2IsUkSGpdr+zb7UrFOLTuyE0TEyCBkXW4H5R78JBh9orhNO52QUtjKrar3/znnSpAhZk2sEFjr6oiOyXP6WSNaCSMXBXTUkkaZ/GZPB5kyI+cTKUQLdjj+zeSmi7vAEePUOkDki6vqfmLtAsEunfelLzcYE8dASIAjfuXoCWjarNw5+OUgJHlCG5ovF0NAcq6+3GAFXfktYyCgnf6GlQuD+vbEyfcpX+HvCiWVDW2Cg7TkbMt/293sXVuEf6pjXwX66dffnumZwhnTw4yjfcOQoAuQSTrj3NgIB4aVVL/lc3iN1L3B030pk1gzVpeV5uK3Z7cIIm07cqimtxMyF3fQaJ+k2qadhZo1wUs/11bkrHBsSUDteX8OglOrpVF6Tp55bw7O2/FrCdQSoomycj2XSny80/9JpcGG1DxKKxPHtFsrvVBixZhW77E49dB9RiPzZNjL41L2URfi17MQJJm/xKF5wiBbCpIqNaRoCgDzM=

Where does the time go?

moe. - 12. Where Does the Time Go? - The Conch

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Amory Blaine  Aug 19, 2015 • 8:51:17pm

Question for Bob and Chez: Would you post the audio file of Dan Bidondi saying “derr” (long one)? I would like it for my ring tone.
:)

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Amory Blaine  Aug 19, 2015 • 8:52:55pm

re: #7 William Lewis

Thanks for the suggestion William.
:)

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dholmes32  Aug 19, 2015 • 8:56:29pm

In another state tonight (Spokane, at the Science Fiction World Convention) and missing my fuzzball.

Her Serenity Princess Nicki
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Jenner7  Aug 19, 2015 • 9:07:43pm

I’ve been in the dark , what’s going on in St. Louis???

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Joe Bacon  Aug 19, 2015 • 9:11:51pm

I’m so full of anticipation for Bob & Chez’s show tomorrow. I know they’re going to go after Josh Duggar’s “side action” on Ashley Madison!

Now I’m just wondering how many Republican Senators, Governors, Congressmen, etc. are going to be exposed as well…

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makeitstop  Aug 19, 2015 • 9:18:15pm

re: #12 Charles Johnson

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Keanu Reeves with glasses and sideburns?

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teleskiguy  Aug 19, 2015 • 9:19:12pm

OK, I’m going to try the private private comment system. Sorry y’all, this is between me and Joe Bacon.

VWEV3vnBbKAklKkTdVs0fWyY5lEkYIb5YPfMiWMu23i8LDJM7HTq0yJa5QdMk3rSdDUPD1o0j586Y8bpgpNL1a76dyMmKOKDcFLL7YVbB7W11ZHGxLKphABxHdAA3jI7iaqmyFOKngho1agEKowAhlsTOI7tXyZgPhX0xVCiUEsSCYyqcTCPEnGrim05ILyqCWz7jok1c8zfs/cZc2VMf4WfE9PujB+i8+NaOJwj7Z/u+zZHYmU/vXsIoIq4XMxt

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Jenner7  Aug 19, 2015 • 9:20:37pm

Of course, none of this was on the news.

Sigh…

When will this stop??

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SteveMcGaziBolaGate  Aug 19, 2015 • 9:22:04pm

Just noticed LGF is closing in on 45,000 threads.

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Jenner7  Aug 19, 2015 • 9:22:29pm
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SteveMcGaziBolaGate  Aug 19, 2015 • 9:23:30pm

It’s almost a shame that the URL has a title or you could plug in a random number and see what comes up.

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teleskiguy  Aug 19, 2015 • 9:26:31pm

re: #24 SteveMcGaziBolaGate

It’s almost a shame that the URL has a title or you could plug in a random number and see what comes up.

You can do that! Try it!

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teleskiguy  Aug 19, 2015 • 9:28:33pm

littlegreenfootballs dot com slash article slash [random number 44956 or under] will pull up that article.

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Joe Bacon  Aug 19, 2015 • 9:29:18pm

re: #20 teleskiguy

OK, I’m going to try the private private comment system. Sorry y’all, this is between me and Joe Bacon.

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Oh, I wish it was so, but it’s not :’(

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SteveMcGaziBolaGate  Aug 19, 2015 • 9:34:11pm

re: #26 teleskiguy

#4495 is called “Left Wing Fascism” from October 2002. Those were the days my friend.

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Kragar  Aug 19, 2015 • 9:35:04pm

New toy time. Toluene based plastic putty. Starts as a gel, give it a few minutes to dry, it becomes a moldable putty to fill gaps and cracks, let it harden, sand and shave it down and its ready to be painted over

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teleskiguy  Aug 19, 2015 • 9:37:19pm

re: #28 SteveMcGaziBolaGate

I’ve done my fair share of exploration into the way earlier posts. I’ve been reading LGF since sometime in 2004. It’s a rabbit hole, my friend.

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Feline Fearless Leader  Aug 19, 2015 • 9:49:36pm

G’night folks. Picture is the place where I got the best chicken satay sauce — ever!

Satey Bob - on the (secondary) road to Ipoh
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teleskiguy  Aug 19, 2015 • 9:56:16pm

I do believe that’s St. Louis Alderman @AntonioFrench in the white shirt and tie.

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#FergusonFireside  Aug 19, 2015 • 10:02:19pm

re: #32 teleskiguy

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I do believe that’s St. Louis Alderman @AntonioFrench in the white shirt and tie.

Not tragic.

Not.

She’s the fucking power.

And yes that’s Alderman French.

Nighty!

Rest in empowering others.

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teleskiguy  Aug 19, 2015 • 10:02:27pm

re: #17 Jenner7

I’ve been in the dark , what’s going on in St. Louis???

Check @AntonioFrench’s timeline.

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teleskiguy  Aug 19, 2015 • 10:05:40pm

re: #33 #FergusonFireside

Not tragic.

I think it’s tragic because it’s 2015 and there’s still too much racism. You’re right, though, Brittany is out there asserting herself, using as much power as she can. I’m just a white boy who skis 80+ days a year, so I don’t know…

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teleskiguy  Aug 19, 2015 • 10:11:02pm

re: #32 teleskiguy

I couldn’t put the letter T after ‘shi’ due to the nature of Twitter. 140 CHARACTERS! THAT’S IT!

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makeitstop  Aug 19, 2015 • 10:12:13pm

re: #36 teleskiguy

I couldn’t put the letter T after ‘shi’ due to the nature of Twitter. 140 CHARACTERS! THAT’S IT!

It got the point across.

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teleskiguy  Aug 19, 2015 • 10:16:20pm

re: #37 makeitstop

It got the point across.

I wouldn’t have posted it otherwise. Still, though. Degree in English, try to be a grammarian when I write. I’m like…ah, fuck it.

One of my favorite tweets:

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#FergusonFireside  Aug 19, 2015 • 10:19:06pm

re: #35 teleskiguy

I think it’s tragic because it’s 2015 and there’s still too much racism. You’re right, though, Brittany is out there asserting herself, using as much power as she can. I’m just a white boy who skis 80+ days a year, so I don’t know…

That is Brittney Packnett, the leader of the #fergusonfireside my nic for almost a year. Just FYI - my response

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teleskiguy  Aug 19, 2015 • 10:21:21pm

OK, I don’t know the veracity of the contents of this tweet, but it made me go ohhh…

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#FergusonFireside  Aug 19, 2015 • 10:21:33pm

Xoxoxo night for real.

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teleskiguy  Aug 19, 2015 • 10:25:24pm
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darthstar  Aug 19, 2015 • 10:52:11pm

re: #13 teleskiguy

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Where does the time go?

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I loves me some fucking Moe. man.

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darthstar  Aug 19, 2015 • 10:53:12pm

re: #43 darthstar

I loves me some fucking Moe. man.

I’ve only seen them fifteen or sixteen times, but they never disappoint (two drummers…you can’t go wrong with two drummers).

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teleskiguy  Aug 19, 2015 • 11:01:57pm

re: #43 darthstar

I loves me some fucking Moe. man.

It’s a lower case “M”, stylized moe.

:-P

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darthstar  Aug 19, 2015 • 11:06:28pm

re: #45 teleskiguy

It’s a lower case “M”, stylized moe.

:-P

My bad…and I know better. Wore my moe. shirt out a few years ago. They’re so not Phish. Fuck the Phish.

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Amory Blaine  Aug 19, 2015 • 11:10:49pm

This film always had an authentic feel to me. I watch it once a year or so when I’m feeling nostalgic. Good soundtrack, Sally Kellerman, Jodie Foster and a young Laura Dern in her first real movie role. And of course, Chachi.

FOXES (1980)

Youtube Video

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teleskiguy  Aug 19, 2015 • 11:13:50pm

This Jared Fogle thing, fuckin’ aye!

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3eff Jeff  Aug 19, 2015 • 11:16:04pm

re: #3 Dr. Matt

You aren’t buying the right kind of tires for the right kind of vehicle. Performance tires for a performance vehicle? Super exciting. In my case: knobby, aggressive A/T tires for a 4x4. Watching them get mounted and installed? Awesome. Getting to try them out in the snow? Priceless.

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3eff Jeff  Aug 19, 2015 • 11:17:32pm

re: #48 teleskiguy

This Jared Fogle thing, fuckin’ aye!

In President Bush’ defense, he did NOT know.

Weird news day.

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teleskiguy  Aug 19, 2015 • 11:19:18pm

re: #46 darthstar

Fuck the Phish.

Just for that, the best Phish song I’ve ever seen live.

Phish - 9/1/12 “Light”

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goddamnedfrank  Aug 19, 2015 • 11:21:56pm

re: #40 teleskiguy

It bugs me when people glibly dismiss something while online that they could easily research for real with one simple fucking Google search.

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teleskiguy  Aug 19, 2015 • 11:45:40pm

re: #52 goddamnedfrank

The internet, man. It’s uncharted territory for humans. I know this as an internet user for some of my childhood and all of my adult life.

And yeah, fuckin’ Google searches.

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goddamnedfrank  Aug 19, 2015 • 11:53:42pm
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freetoken  Aug 20, 2015 • 12:02:11am

It’s starting to close up, if you watch it long enough:

WATCH: Corpse flower blooms at Denver Botanic Gardens

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teleskiguy  Aug 20, 2015 • 12:11:53am

re: #55 freetoken

My stand-up comedian friend (known the guy a long time, and his brother) in Denver posted this to Facebook today (and yes, his name is Jordan Doll, check out his stuff).

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freetoken  Aug 20, 2015 • 12:27:51am

re: #56 teleskiguy

Perhaps the most telling thing about this event is all the self-censorship surrounding it.

“Corpse flower”, while not exactly a euphemism, as the term describes a set of flowers whose fragrance is that of rotting flesh, is not specific to this actual plant species.

The correct botanical name is Amorphophallus titanum.

But the last thing a parent wants to tell their kids at a conservatory is “look at the giant misshaped-dick flower”, so they say “Corpse flower.”

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freetoken  Aug 20, 2015 • 1:59:44am

This one goes out to whomever named Amorphophallus titanum:

MP3 Audio

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Nyet  Aug 20, 2015 • 3:56:40am
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William Lewis  Aug 20, 2015 • 4:18:51am

re: #59 Nyet

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Er. So? The Aztec were late comers to the pre-Columbian mezoamerican scene. Maya and Olmec cultures were significantly older.

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Nyet  Aug 20, 2015 • 4:19:54am

re: #61 William Lewis

Er. So?

So, that.

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The Vicious Babushka  Aug 20, 2015 • 4:31:26am
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Nyet  Aug 20, 2015 • 5:07:59am

Meanwhile the rouble continues the free fall.

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Decatur Deb  Aug 20, 2015 • 5:09:49am

re: #29 Kragar

New toy time. Toluene based plastic putty. Starts as a gel, give it a few minutes to dry, it becomes a moldable putty to fill gaps and cracks, let it harden, sand and shave it down and its ready to be painted over

Watch the threshold limit values. Toluene is what they took out of the ‘good’ model airplane cement.

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Decatur Deb  Aug 20, 2015 • 5:12:05am

re: #54 goddamnedfrank

me when I think about Donald Trump’s honkey ass but then realize I’ll live long enough to see him die

Unless you visit Ferguson. When did racist shit become cool again?

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Dr. Matt  Aug 20, 2015 • 5:30:38am

re: #65 Nyet

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Meanwhile the rouble continues the free fall.

Conservatives are now going to tell us low oil prices are bad, but we should thank dubyah for low gas prices.

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lawhawk  Aug 20, 2015 • 5:34:14am

The media and pundit class have to push a narrative, and right now it’s that Hillary is in trouble.

The polls almost uniformly suggest otherwise. In head to head matchups, there isn’t a single candidate on the GOP side who beats Hillary consistently. Most can’t even get within a few points of her.

This is what passes for political analysis from pundits? You’d have to ignore all the polls that suggest that the real problem is that no one in the GOP can consistently beat Hillary in polling, and that in order to stand out among the GOP, the candidates have to say ever more extreme things, which pushes moderates and independents away from them and right into the Democrat hands.

The problem isn’t the Democrats, or Hillary, but a dysfunctional extremist GOP that is seeking the most extreme candidate.

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The Vicious Babushka  Aug 20, 2015 • 5:36:37am

LOLWHUT==>

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Timothy Watson  Aug 20, 2015 • 5:36:42am

re: #68 Dr. Matt

Conservatives are now going to tell us low oil prices are bad, but we should thank dubyah for low gas prices.

And we’re still waiting on gas prices to decrease.

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Timothy Watson  Aug 20, 2015 • 5:38:10am

re: #70 The Vicious Babushka

LOLWHUT==>

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So Barber is arguing that the United States can’t charge illegal aliens with any crime since, according to him, they’re not subject to the jurisdiction of the United States?

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Dr. Matt  Aug 20, 2015 • 5:38:38am

re: #71 Timothy Watson

And we’re still waiting on gas prices to decrease.

Oil prices rebounded Tuesday but remained near a 6 1/2-year low, raising the prospect of dramatically cheaper gasoline after the summer driving season.

For now, a blockbuster driving season and a major refinery outage are keeping pump prices surprisingly high despite this summer’s plunge in crude.

usatoday.com

Stop driving, people, so I can get cheap gas again! //

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Timothy Watson  Aug 20, 2015 • 5:40:56am

re: #73 Dr. Matt

Stop driving, people, so I can get cheap gas again! //

Wait, the talking point is back to “we don’t have enough refinery capacity”? So, why should we allow Keystone XL if we can’t convert that oil to gasoline due to a lack of refining capacity?

(I always love how that talking point changes every six months or so.)

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Dr. Matt  Aug 20, 2015 • 5:43:19am

File this under: “Yes, criminals are idiots”

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lawhawk  Aug 20, 2015 • 5:45:13am

Reminder: The GOP has been this extreme for a long time, but now that the candidates are pushing this in the open, the extremism is spilling over into even more heated rhetoric.

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Dr. Matt  Aug 20, 2015 • 5:45:53am

re: #74 Timothy Watson

Wait, the talking point is back to “we don’t have enough refinery capacity”? So, why should we allow Keystone XL if we can’t convert that oil to gasoline due to a lack of refining capacity?

(I always love how that talking point changes every six months or so.)

Let us not forget the most obvious….anything that comes through the Keystone XL goes out in the world market. It’s not like the shit that comes through Keystone XL immediately turns around and ends up at your local gas station. Translation: Conservatives are divorced from reality.

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The Vicious Babushka  Aug 20, 2015 • 5:51:24am

re: #77 Dr. Matt

Let us not forget the most obvious….anything that comes through the Keystone XL goes out in the world market. It’s not like the shit that comes through Keystone XL immediately turns around and ends up at your local gas station. Translation: Conservatives are divorced from reality.

The purpose of Keystone XL is to allow the transport of dirty oil from Alberta tar sands (in which Koch brothers own a significant interest) to Gulf of Mexico refineries and from thence to consumers all over the world.

35 permanent jobs (which are probably all filled already) and maybe dozens of short-term construction contracts as the pipeline is built.

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Decatur Deb  Aug 20, 2015 • 5:52:56am

re: #78 The Vicious Babushka

The purpose of Keystone XL is to allow the transport of dirty oil from Alberta tar sands (in which Koch brothers own a significant interest) to Gulf of Mexico refineries and from thence to consumers all over the world.

35 permanent jobs (which are probably all filled already) and maybe dozens of short-term construction contracts as the pipeline is built.

What happens to the dirt? Do we truck it back to Canada or ship it to the endusers?

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lawhawk  Aug 20, 2015 • 5:55:19am

re: #78 The Vicious Babushka

And the oil from Alberta is coming into the US anyways. This isn’t new supply, but a new route that doesn’t rely on rail for the entire journey.

The refinery issue is one we face every year. Refineries are busy with producing summer blends and then have to shut down for repair and switching to the regular blends. That reduces capacity and it happens every year at this time. In fact, it happens twice a year - first when the summer blends begin to be produced and then when the regular blends are reintroduced. Add to that there are multiple versions of blends for different regions/rules, so some regions see more of an issue than others.

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Dr. Matt  Aug 20, 2015 • 5:55:44am

Glad to see our librul media and their librul agenda keeping the gummit and pols incheck:

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Bubblehead II  Aug 20, 2015 • 5:56:48am

re: #74 Timothy Watson

Wait, the talking point is back to “we don’t have enough refinery capacity”? So, why should we allow Keystone XL if we can’t convert that oil to gasoline due to a lack of refining capacity?

(I always love how that talking point changes every six months or so.)

Well I could be interpreting this graph wrong (hell I could be totally out in left field), but it isn’t so much not having the capacity, but that it’s not being utilized to it’s full potential. If I am interpreting this right, as of May of this year, we had the ability to refine an additional 142 thousand barrels of oil, per day, but didn’t. Again, I could be totally wrong about this, so take it as you will.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 20, 2015 • 6:06:24am
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Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Aug 20, 2015 • 6:08:01am

re: #70 The Vicious Babushka

Birthright Citizenship Is Unconstitutional - t.co
— Matt Barber

Is this the “Barbed Wire” dude who hates gays?

His constitutional analysis is impeccable.

//

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Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Aug 20, 2015 • 6:11:30am

re: #11 Timothy Watson

Need to find out a way to make UpChuck aware of that. :)

[CCJ]I need my followers to contact Twitter to demand I, an award-winning journalist, get a blue check mark for my account…But since Twitter has illegally banned me I need my followers to demand that Twitter give me my account back. Then the blue check mark. Summer of Justice.[/CCJ]

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Dr. Matt  Aug 20, 2015 • 6:12:27am

Christie just sank his campaign officially…

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The Vicious Babushka  Aug 20, 2015 • 6:15:47am

re: #84 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse

Is this the “Barbed Wire” dude who hates gays?

His constitutional analysis is impeccable.

//

Matt Barber is another homophobic hate monger like Bryan Fischer.

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Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Aug 20, 2015 • 6:18:23am

re: #86 Dr. Matt

Christie just sank his campaign officially…

Hmmm, I had thought Christie was 14th Amendment curious. It’s like he refused to sign the No Tax Pledge.

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Decatur Deb  Aug 20, 2015 • 6:21:25am

re: #86 Dr. Matt

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Christie just sank his campaign officially…

It was time to tow it out beyond Sandy Hook and scuttle it.

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Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Aug 20, 2015 • 6:21:27am

re: #87 The Vicious Babushka

Matt Barber is another homophobic hate monger like Bryan Fischer.

Yeah I thought that was the dude. So beyond hating the gay he wants to deny the 14th Amendment. But, hey, #ProLife

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lawhawk  Aug 20, 2015 • 6:23:47am

Morning aside:

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Decatur Deb  Aug 20, 2015 • 6:24:06am

If this isn’t total BS, it’s the kind of thing that could offer hope:

Scientists find a way to capture CO2 from Air and Make Carbon nanofibres

perfscience.com

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The Vicious Babushka  Aug 20, 2015 • 6:27:42am

LOL gotta neo-Confederate with a Sarah Palin avi in my Timeline==>

Block right away or play with it first?

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Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Aug 20, 2015 • 6:27:56am

In case you wondering what happened to Paul Ryan:

Despite his Wisconsin record of defeating unions and overcoming a recall election, some Iowa conservatives now find Mr. Walker overly supportive of his own party’s Washington leadership, at least compared with Mr. Trump, who delights in dismissing elected officials collectively as “stupid.”

“Where he’s really messed up with people like me,” said Phil Cavanaugh, a Republican chairman in Wapello County, who was once a Walker supporter, “is that he keeps bringing up his buddy-buddy relationship with establishment people like Paul Ryan.”

(Mr. Ryan, the Wisconsin congressman, is chairman of the House Ways and Means Committee, who some grass-roots Republicans say has broken with conservative principles.) Mr. Walker seems to have heard this message. On the conference call with donors, he promised to remind voters that he had to take on fellow Republicans to push his agenda through in Wisconsin. And on conservative talk radio and at the state fair this week, he took aim at Senator Mitch McConnell of Kentucky, the majority leader.

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lawhawk  Aug 20, 2015 • 6:28:47am

More Trump:

This is actually similar to the kind of thing Trump would do in Atlantic City. He fought against anyone else getting casinos that might compete with his own, including proposals for casinos in the Catskills, Meadowlands, etc. He would claim he’s opposing the casinos, even though if he had the opportunity to build in those areas himself, he’d jump at the opportunity.

For the most part, it’s decent business sense, but the bribery associated with the Bridgeport situation reeks. Trump got tax breaks everyone else would dream of.

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Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Aug 20, 2015 • 6:29:53am

re: #93 The Vicious Babushka

LOL gotta neo-Confederate with a Sarah Palin avi in my Timeline==>

Block right away or play with it first?

So this “patriot” would prefer the United States today not exist?

Have to admit anyone still sporting a Half-Gov avi must be a real laugher.

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The Vicious Babushka  Aug 20, 2015 • 6:30:24am

re: #96 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse

So this “patriot” would prefer the United States today not exist?

Have to admit anyone still sporting a Half-Gov avi must be a real laugher.

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b.d.  Aug 20, 2015 • 6:31:09am

So Greenwald is now against publishing stolen encrypted information?

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Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Aug 20, 2015 • 6:35:12am

re: #98 b.d.

So Greenwald is now against publishing stolen encrypted information?

No he’s for it…I mean…it depends….not if…

/

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lawhawk  Aug 20, 2015 • 6:35:19am

Pro Tip: If you’re claiming that the “candidate” is 15 years old, he’s not a candidate and wouldn’t be able to pass muster because he can’t actually hold the office.

US Constitution Article 2, Cl. 5:

No Person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President; neither shall any person be eligible to that Office who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty five Years, and been fourteen Years a Resident within the United States.

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The Vicious Babushka  Aug 20, 2015 • 6:36:17am

re: #100 lawhawk

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Pro Tip: If you’re claiming that the “candidate” is 15 years old, he’s not a candidate and wouldn’t be able to pass muster because he can’t actually hold the office.

US Constitution Article 2, Cl. 5:

What if Deez Nuts is a cat?

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SteveMcGaziBolaGate  Aug 20, 2015 • 6:36:52am

re: #73 Dr. Matt

I don’t think cheap gas is automatically a good thing. It is a disincentive to promoting efficiency. Obviously gas has more costs associated with it than just the price at the pump. And one thing’s for sure, gas prices will go back up again.

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Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Aug 20, 2015 • 6:38:48am

re: #94 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse

I’d think Paul Ryan’s budget is more severely conservative than anything Walker could do in Wisconsin.

But what do I know?

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freetoken  Aug 20, 2015 • 6:39:00am

re: #76 lawhawk

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Reminder: The GOP has been this extreme for a long time, but now that the candidates are pushing this in the open, the extremism is spilling over into even more heated rhetoric.

The ideologues have long written the platform, but the candidates were always working the largest constituencies possible, and thus didn’t always do what the ideologues proposed.

Today we see that after 20 years the “grassroots” have been so programmed by decades of the ideological grandstanding that they now expect the candidates to toe the line.

Meanwhile, the ideologues are gearing up for their next round of purification campaigns. The next iteration of their beliefs will be even more extreme.

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Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Aug 20, 2015 • 6:44:15am

re: #104 freetoken

Meanwhile, the ideologues are gearing up for their next round of purification campaigns. The next iteration of their beliefs will be even more extreme.

I sense the conservative “grassroots” are more influenced by what they hear in church and on talk radio (and RWNJ blogs) than by any GOP officials, in or out of Washington.

They get some newsletter or hear something on the radio about Paul Ryan being a sell-out, and that becomes their new belief.

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freetoken  Aug 20, 2015 • 6:49:06am

How ugliness spreads in a society:

South Boston brothers allegedly beat homeless man - Police say victim was targeted because he is Hispanic

[…]

Police said two brothers from South Boston ambushed the 58-year-old as he slept outside of a Dorchester MBTA stop, and targeted him because he is Hispanic. One of the brothers said he was inspired in part by GOP presidential candidate Donald Trump.

The allegations ignited widespread condemnation Wednesday.

Mayor Martin J. Walsh said the brothers “should be ashamed of themselves.” Boston’s top prosecutor, Daniel F. Conley, called the case “sickening.”

Police Commissioner William B. Evans, a South Boston resident, said the brothers had given his neighborhood “a bad name.” He called it “a disgrace.”

Trump, told of the alleged assault, said “it would be a shame … I will say that people who are following me are very passionate. They love this country and they want this country to be great again. They are passionate.”

[…]

“It’s a shame”… but… they are just “passionate” people.

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Dark_Falcon  Aug 20, 2015 • 6:51:29am

re: #93 The Vicious Babushka

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Dark_Falcon  Aug 20, 2015 • 7:01:39am

re: #103 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse

I’d think Paul Ryan’s budget is more severely conservative than anything Walker could do in Wisconsin.

But what do I know?

In this minds of many on the right, and not just wingnuts, Chairman Ryan should not have worked to push Trade Promotion Authority (TPA) through the House. Some think that doing that a bad idea because it gave negotiating power to Barack Obama, who they think cannot be trusted with it. Others are anti-free trade while still others want an Asian trade regime designed to place overt pressure on China (which is not going to happen in the real world, even if Trump were president).

Mixed in are feeling that Paul Ryan acted as he did in service to TEH EEEBBILL KOCH BROTHERS!!!1. In actuality, Koch Industries would not gain hugely from the Partnership of the Pacific (though it would likely benefit), and Freedom Partners (the primary Koch political organization) supported the deal out of principal and in support of other firms which would gain more. Charles and David Koch are the prime movers behind most of what Freedom Partners does, but on this matter they weren’t the policy drivers (though they supported TTP).

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freetoken  Aug 20, 2015 • 7:03:35am

How the planet transfers energy from the equator to the poles:

Image: twin-typhoons-5.gif

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Dark_Falcon  Aug 20, 2015 • 7:05:55am

re: #106 freetoken

How ugliness spreads in a society:

South Boston brothers allegedly beat homeless man - Police say victim was targeted because he is Hispanic

“It’s a shame”… but… they are just “passionate” people.

Southies… They seem a xenophobic lot.

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CleverToad  Aug 20, 2015 • 7:10:15am

re: #92 Decatur Deb

Wonder if anyone’s trying to upscale yet — will have to watch for news. May not solve the atmospheric problems but reducing the cost of carbon nanofibers is a useful result in itself. My sister posted this link on Facebook, she was wondering if they’ll try to make other carbon forms like buckyballs.

Kickstarter, anyone? Or sell Elon Musk on the idea.

(Edit: Make that nano- not micro-. Wrong scale. Need more coffee.)

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bratwurst  Aug 20, 2015 • 7:18:14am

Nothing more hilarious than prison rape jokes, amIrite?

I am glad we no longer get much of this kind of garbage around here. Having the developed world’s worst correctional system is no laughing matter.

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RadicalModerate  Aug 20, 2015 • 7:25:28am

re: #106 freetoken

How ugliness spreads in a society:

South Boston brothers allegedly beat homeless man - Police say victim was targeted because he is Hispanic

“It’s a shame”… but… they are just “passionate” people.

It is very telling that one thing that I immediately noticed regarding Trump’s reaction to his followers engaging in a racist - and there is no other term that can describe this crime - beating of a hispanic man.

Not only was there a complete lack of condemnation, in fact, his reaction was that he appeared to give an implied approval, by only labeling his followers as ‘passionate’.

If you ever wanted to have a reason for the United States to never go to a parliamentary-style government, the ability to keep fascists like Trump out of a position of power is about as good of as an example as any.

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Mattand  Aug 20, 2015 • 7:28:43am

re: #113 RadicalModerate

It is very telling that one thing that I immediately noticed regarding Trump’s reaction to his followers engaging in a racist - and there is no other term that can describe this crime - beating of a hispanic man.

Not only was there a complete lack of condemnation, in fact, his reaction was that he appeared to give an implied approval, by only labeling his followers as ‘passionate’.

If you ever wanted to have a reason for the United States to never go to a parliamentary-style government, the ability to keep fascists like Trump out of a position of power is about as good of as an example as any.

I saw the exact same thing.

Even for a conservative Republican, that’s a fairly inhuman response.

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darthstar  Aug 20, 2015 • 7:29:02am
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lawhawk  Aug 20, 2015 • 7:29:10am

I’m not a fan of former President Carter, but he is handling his failing health - metastatic cancer that has now spread to his brain - with grace that few in public life seem to possess:

It sounds like he’s suffering all manner of pain and discomfort but isn’t letting on just how much (though pain is one of those things that varies in tolerance from one person to the next). This is the kind of diagnosis that I wouldn’t wish on anyone. Anyone.

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Dark_Falcon  Aug 20, 2015 • 7:30:40am

re: #112 bratwurst

You’re right, that headline is just sick. Jared Fogle deserves hard time for his crimes, but nobody deserves to be raped.

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lawhawk  Aug 20, 2015 • 7:32:24am

re: #117 Dark_Falcon

You’re right, that headline is just sick. Jared Fogle deserves hard time for his crimes, but nobody deserves to be raped.

It’s quite possible that he may ask for or receive solitary confinement as a protection against that very possibility. He is going to spend a long time in prison for his heinous acts - deservedly so.

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Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Aug 20, 2015 • 7:33:43am

re: #108 Dark_Falcon

OK, thanks for the background. Wouldn’t have thought the TPA to be that big of an issue, relative to the usual hot-button issues like entitlement programs, taxes, etc.

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Dark_Falcon  Aug 20, 2015 • 7:34:21am

re: #116 lawhawk

I’m not a fan of former President Carter, but he is handling his failing health - metastatic cancer that has now spread to his brain - with grace that few in public life seem to possess:

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It sounds like he’s suffering all manner of pain and discomfort. This is the kind of diagnosis that I wouldn’t wish on anyone. Anyone.

The Hell of the thing is that internet haters will be gloating over Carter having cancer today.

Just remember folks, when you see someone on social media gloating over a person having cancer, block that gloating ass at once. People who do that go online to act like jerks and they should not be indulged.

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Mattand  Aug 20, 2015 • 7:34:33am

re: #117 Dark_Falcon

You’re right, that headline is just sick. Jared Fogle deserves hard time for his crimes, but nobody deserves to be raped.

Just one more example of America’s sick love of torture as a form of “justice.”

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The Vicious Babushka  Aug 20, 2015 • 7:35:16am

Having fun with this idiot==>

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The Vicious Babushka  Aug 20, 2015 • 7:37:13am

I don’t think “slave stealing” counts as a war crime.

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The Vicious Babushka  Aug 20, 2015 • 7:38:52am

“Sarah Palin Links” is throwing a whole bunch of wingnut white supremacist shit at me, as “proofs” of something.

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Dark_Falcon  Aug 20, 2015 • 7:40:29am

re: #119 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse

OK, thanks for the background. Wouldn’t have thought the TPA to be that big of an issue, relative to the usual hot-button issues like entitlement programs, taxes, etc.

It isn’t, when its being given someone other than Obama. But Obama liberalism is seen by many on the right as making him untrustworthy. That’s the non-hateful objection, the hateful ones run the gamut from racism to birtherism. You already know those spews, so I won’t detail them here.

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Jayleia  Aug 20, 2015 • 7:40:30am
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Higgs Boson's Mate  Aug 20, 2015 • 7:41:25am

re: #118 lawhawk

A well run prison will put him in a unit segregated from the general population. A well run prison will also provide him with treatment to deal with his addiction. Pedophiles who receive treatment while in prison and follow up care after their release have some of the lowest recidivism rates. Pedophiles deserve every second of hard time that they get. They also deserve the proven help that can prevent them from committing such terrible crimes in the future.

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darthstar  Aug 20, 2015 • 7:41:58am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 20, 2015 • 7:42:06am

re: #124 The Vicious Babushka

“Sarah Palin Links” is throwing a whole bunch of wingnut white supremacist shit at me, as “proofs” of something.

The people associated with that account are long-time die-hard Palin worshippers supporters.
They still believe that Palin is going to get the nom at a brokered convention.

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Dark_Falcon  Aug 20, 2015 • 7:42:31am

re: #124 The Vicious Babushka

“Sarah Palin Links” is throwing a whole bunch of wingnut white supremacist shit at me, as “proofs” of something.

She/he is just Whistling Dixie, VB. That account is clearly that of a Lost Causer, which is why I just sent a link to Marching Through Georgia and left it at that.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 20, 2015 • 7:43:08am

re: #126 Jayleia

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I bet they don’t have any problem with nuking Iran assorted other civilian targets in the Middle East.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 20, 2015 • 7:45:08am
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Jayleia  Aug 20, 2015 • 7:47:10am

re: #131 Backwoods_Sleuth

‘cuz ah Tequila there ain’t no Muslim civillians!

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blueraven  Aug 20, 2015 • 7:48:37am

re: #128 darthstar

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Um…

The Business Standard News
BS News, keeping it real.

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No Depression  Aug 20, 2015 • 7:49:59am

re: #131 Backwoods_Sleuth

Oh they don’t. Yesterday on Facebook I saw a meme that said “In 1945 we made peace with Japan. Let’s make peace with Islam!” with a picture of a mushroom cloud. Absolutely sick shit.

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lawhawk  Aug 20, 2015 • 7:50:01am
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blueraven  Aug 20, 2015 • 7:52:34am

re: #136 lawhawk

Yes, there is a discussion of this on RWC’s page.

littlegreenfootballs.com

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darthstar  Aug 20, 2015 • 7:53:02am

re: #134 blueraven

Um…

The Business Standard News
BS News, keeping it real.

Too good to be true…meh.

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Charles Johnson  Aug 20, 2015 • 7:54:37am

re: #128 darthstar

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Fake story from yet another fake news site.

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The Vicious Babushka  Aug 20, 2015 • 8:00:11am

“Man of the Year”?

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Dark_Falcon  Aug 20, 2015 • 8:01:42am

Florida treasure hunters find $4.5million in rare Spanish coins 300 years after fleet of ships sank in hurricane en route to Cuba

What actual gold “Pieces of Eight” look like.

It’s worth noting that a raid by former English privateers of the Spanish camp holding gold divers had managed to bring up from the wrecks of this treasure fleet was the beginning of the famous “Golden Age of Piracy”.

For the inhabitants of the Spanish speaking Caribbean and Central America, these raids roused a lasting animosity to England that the US partially inherited. For whether the raiders were the Royal Navy or pirates, for those whose ships were assaulted the raids were just armed robbery write large.

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Higgs Boson's Mate  Aug 20, 2015 • 8:05:05am

re: #131 Backwoods_Sleuth

I bet they don’t have any problem with nuking Iran assorted other civilian targets in the Middle East.

When I was a combatant long ago, I realized that the soldiers usually have the best of it in a war zone. They are trained and equipped, there are others doing their best to ensure that the soldiers have food, water and medical care. Civilians have whatever they had minus food, water, medical care and shelter - and they’re now subject to being killed at random as acceptable or even purposeful collateral damage. They cannot retreat, they cannot surrender, either side may misidentify them and kill them for walking down the road.
That’s where all of this Red-White-and-Blue warmongering unavoidably leads. Anyone who advocates for offensive war as a first option is less than human in my eyes.

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Dr. Matt  Aug 20, 2015 • 8:06:36am

re: #140 The Vicious Babushka

“Man of the Year”?

By the end of the day he’ll be calling Time “A Bunch Of Yoooooge Dummies!!!! Yoooooge, Yoooooge DUMMIES!”

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Mattand  Aug 20, 2015 • 8:06:47am

re: #140 The Vicious Babushka

“Man of the Year”?

Well, the Man/Woman/Object of the Year is for whoever/whatever impacted the news the most, in Time’s POV.

I’m more than happy to see Trump get that, as long as it’s the only thing he gets out of running for POTUS.

Although given the lack of intelligence that the American public displays when voting for POTUS sometimes, my wish may turn out to be unfulfillable.

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makeitstop  Aug 20, 2015 • 8:06:49am
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No Depression  Aug 20, 2015 • 8:11:04am

re: #136 lawhawk

The text he’s referring to came from a Haaretz article on the Iran Deal. Apparently the AP didn’t even offer a statement of clarification or explanation:

It is not clear why the original report was updated to this extent, with some of the original points removed. The Associated Press did not release a statement of clarification or explanation regarding the updates of the report, which it has presented as an exclusive expose based on the agreement reached between Iran and the IAEA.
read more: haaretz.com

It’s absolutely galling that an ostensibly reputable news organization would show such a lack of transparency.

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dholmes32  Aug 20, 2015 • 8:12:51am

re: #70 The Vicious Babushka

Because I’m dumb, I responded there. We’ll see what happens. I just pointed out that Fischer ignored U.S. v. Wong Kim Ark (1898) in his diatribe.

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lawhawk  Aug 20, 2015 • 8:13:20am

re: #146 No Depression

And based on anonymous sources using “draft” documents that may or may not be the final version.

IOW, so poorly sourced as to be virtually worthless except in its utility to bolster the anti-deal folks claims that the deal is awful.

When you’re basing claims on stuff that isn’t even part of the deal, yes. IT is bad.

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Kid A  Aug 20, 2015 • 8:16:48am

Would it come as a surprise to anyone here that the “aborted fetus” in the still photo in the latest “sting” video was stillborn?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 20, 2015 • 8:19:59am
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lawhawk  Aug 20, 2015 • 8:20:28am

re: #149 Kid A

There’s nothing surprising or shocking about any of it. The anti-choice extremists lie and smear with the goal of defunding and destroying PP. That’s the outcome they seek, and they dont’ care what it does to millions of women who rely on PP for health care services that aren’t provided elsewhere (or at a reasonable cost).

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Dark_Falcon  Aug 20, 2015 • 8:22:10am

re: #150 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Hurr Hurr, that’ll get him in trouble with the environmentalists for sure!

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Smith25's Liberal Thighs  Aug 20, 2015 • 8:26:23am

Into the second week of school here. Trying to get my routine settled so I can post more here. AP Government first test today- on their summer reading book. It is a bit of a dry read, but I really enjoyed it. If you have time I’d suggest the read, especially for the History buffs here.

The Men Who Invented The Constitution

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Kid A  Aug 20, 2015 • 8:30:38am

Wingnuts on tcot gleeful that Carter is dying. Sick fucking bastards.

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Belafon  Aug 20, 2015 • 8:31:03am

From the Vox article explaining the bungled AP story and what the inspection story is about, I found one of the best lines I have ever read. From arms control expert Jeffrey Lewis:

But I’m just always leery when principle gets involved, because that pretty quickly gets turned into ego.

There are so many things that applies to.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 20, 2015 • 8:32:30am
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Kid A  Aug 20, 2015 • 8:39:02am

Brett Baier led off his show with a FOX NEWS ALERT!!!! about Iran getting to inspect heir own program, FFS.

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Decatur Deb  Aug 20, 2015 • 8:39:33am

#156 Backwoods_Sleuth

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They’ll put their eye out.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 20, 2015 • 8:43:04am

“RPK” = Republican Party of Kentucky

This does not bode well for Rand…

:D

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 20, 2015 • 8:44:47am

re: #159 Backwoods_Sleuth

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blueraven  Aug 20, 2015 • 8:45:15am

Whoa

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 20, 2015 • 8:46:34am
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Decatur Deb  Aug 20, 2015 • 8:50:05am

Anyone else having their last comment “stick” invisibly in the box until you hit “post it” with a new comment? FF/Ubuntu 15.4

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 20, 2015 • 8:53:58am
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darthstar  Aug 20, 2015 • 8:55:11am

re: #139 Charles Johnson

Fake story from yet another fake news site.

Yet so believable because Fox News.

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Belafon  Aug 20, 2015 • 8:56:30am

So the “Is Shaun King black?” story has made its way to CNN: dailykos.com.
It seems like just the day before yesterday that I was getting nitpicked for claiming that two recs on a comment meant people.

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Timothy Watson  Aug 20, 2015 • 8:57:09am

re: #159 Backwoods_Sleuth

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“RPK” = Republican Party of Kentucky

This does not bode well for Rand…

:D

Remember that story a couple days ago where Rand claimed he had cut $250,000 to RPK in exchange for them holding a convention so he could possibly run for both Senate and President? Several people in RPK came out and said that he was full of shit and that no money had been donated.

Looks like he pissed off the wrong people.

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Timothy Watson  Aug 20, 2015 • 8:58:36am

re: #159 Backwoods_Sleuth

Oh wait, that was you who posted the $250,000 story. Sorry, should have searched the comments before I commented. :)
littlegreenfootballs.com

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 20, 2015 • 9:00:48am

re: #168 Timothy Watson

Oh wait, that was you who posted the $250,000 story. Sorry, should have searched the comments before I commented. :)
littlegreenfootballs.com

:D

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wrenchwench  Aug 20, 2015 • 9:02:05am

re: #163 Decatur Deb

Anyone else having their last comment “stick” invisibly in the box until you hit “post it” with a new comment? FF/Ubuntu 15.4

I often have my last comment appear in the box visibly when I reopen a thread in which I posted a comment before closing it. FF/Windows 8

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 20, 2015 • 9:02:11am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 20, 2015 • 9:04:07am
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Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Aug 20, 2015 • 9:10:06am

re: #157 Kid A

Brett Baier led off his show with a FOX NEWS ALERT!!!! about Iran getting to inspect heir own program, FFS.

The AP story, however bungled and debunked, will be treated by Fox as Confirmed FACT while every other story or report on the Iran Deal will be picked apart, regarded with suspicion, etc.

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Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Aug 20, 2015 • 9:10:43am

re: #149 Kid A

Would it come as a surprise to anyone here that the “aborted fetus” in the still photo in the latest “sting” video was stillborn?

My shocked face, let me show you it.

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Mattand  Aug 20, 2015 • 9:11:11am

Here’s your Comment of the Day from the fetid swamp that is philly.com. The article in question is an “Attaboy” for the Donald from a guest editorialist.

Trump needs to understand whether the 14th amendment needs to be changed. There are other ways around this. If a parent gives birth to a child in the US and the parent is illegal you sever the parental rights of the parent and the child is put up for adoption. The child keeps birthright citizenship, the family is broken. This is draconian but does give the parent the incentive not to give birth in the US.

Just. Wow.

I asked the Rocket Scientist here who was going to pay for the orphanages he was going to create. I didn’t even get into the whole issue of this guy daydreaming about a police force whose purpose is tear apart families.

It’s amazing this country can get out of the bed in the morning and not hurt itself tying its shoes.

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The Vicious Babushka  Aug 20, 2015 • 9:13:48am

What Ms. Muhgunz means by “harassment” = getting called out for her bullshit

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Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Aug 20, 2015 • 9:14:11am

re: #175 Mattand

Trump needs to understand whether the 14th amendment needs to be changed. There are other ways around this. If a parent gives birth to a child in the US and the parent is illegal you sever the parental rights of the parent and the child is put up for adoption. The child keeps birthright citizenship, the family is broken. This is draconian but does give the parent the incentive not to give birth in the US.

“Hi were just making suggestions here.”

/

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Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Aug 20, 2015 • 9:15:05am

re: #176 The Vicious Babushka

What Ms. Muhgunz means by “harassment” = getting called out for her bullshit

Is Danagunz the “conservative women” in question?

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Higgs Boson's Mate  Aug 20, 2015 • 9:15:34am

re: #175 Mattand

Orphanages? It is to laugh. Workhouses will make that program pay for itself.

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The Vicious Babushka  Aug 20, 2015 • 9:15:36am

HURR HURR BUT ME & MUHGUNZ IS TEH REAL VICTIMZ!!!!!! STOP STALKING ME!!! I MEAN IT RIGHT NOW!!!! WHERE IS
@SAFETY STOP STALKING MEEEE!!! NO I WILL KEEP TWEETING AT U & NOT BLOCK U!!!!

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Charles Johnson  Aug 20, 2015 • 9:17:21am
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#FergusonFireside  Aug 20, 2015 • 9:17:26am

re: #159 Backwoods_Sleuth

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“RPK” = Republican Party of Kentucky

This does not bode well for Rand…

:D

So telling that they are using a still from the Apprentice with his kids, not his wife.

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Mattand  Aug 20, 2015 • 9:20:59am

re: #177 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse

“Hi were just making suggestions here.”

/

I admittedly am having a shitty week, and I need to walk away from reading this stuff.

That said:

We have way too many racist, ignorant, barely educated, easily manipulated assholes in this country. We’re fucking lousy with them. And a good sizable chunk of them vote Republican.

Sooner or later, a Republican is going to get back in the White House. Most likely with a GOP Congress. And we.

Will.

Be.

Fucked.

There are aspects of this country that make me sick to my stomach. What Donald Trump is exposing about the Republican party is a prime example. The GOP has pretty much gone David Duke: taken off the white hood and gone, “Here we are! No more hiding!”

Just sickening.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 20, 2015 • 9:21:38am

I missed this the other day:

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 20, 2015 • 9:24:34am
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Eventual Carrion  Aug 20, 2015 • 9:25:44am

re: #128 darthstar

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You have got to be fucking kidding me. WTF is wrong with people in this country.

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FormerDirtDart  Aug 20, 2015 • 9:26:40am

re: #175 Mattand

Here’s your Comment of the Day from the fetid swamp that is philly.com. The article in question is an “Attaboy” for the Donald from a guest editorialist.

Just. Wow.

I asked the Rocket Scientist here who was going to pay for the orphanages he was going to create. I didn’t even get into the whole issue of this guy daydreaming about a police force whose purpose is tear apart families.

It’s amazing this country can get out of the bed in the morning and not hurt itself tying its shoes.

For some reason my mind goes to Elián González, and the uproar of him bring spirited away by heavily armed Federal LEOs. Which, of course, is completely different than this hair-brained Gestapo-esque scheme.
It’s all just human chattel to these lunatics

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wrenchwench  Aug 20, 2015 • 9:30:24am

re: #183 Mattand

I admittedly am having a shitty week

Take care, I hope you have a decent Thursday and a nice Friday.

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FormerDirtDart  Aug 20, 2015 • 9:31:52am

re: #186 Eventual Carrion

You have got to be fucking kidding me. WTF is wrong with people in this country.

Slow down…

Take a deep breath…

It’s all just satirical news…

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Mattand  Aug 20, 2015 • 9:33:40am

re: #188 wrenchwench

I appreciate it. We have one less occupant in the house, and it really, really sucks.

Not as bad as what Teleskiguy’s dealing with, but still is a kick in the ass.

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Higgs Boson's Mate  Aug 20, 2015 • 9:37:39am

re: #190 Mattand

I appreciate it. We have one less occupant in the house, and it really, really sucks.

Not as bad as what Teleskiguy’s dealing with, but still is a kick in the ass.

A loss is a loss. It touches your life in myriads of ways and blindsides you with emotion when you least expect it.

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wrenchwench  Aug 20, 2015 • 9:38:56am
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darthstar  Aug 20, 2015 • 9:42:37am

Texas

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 20, 2015 • 9:43:17am

Jerry Boykin…of course…

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Higgs Boson's Mate  Aug 20, 2015 • 9:43:27am

re: #193 darthstar

Uh oh.

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Higgs Boson's Mate  Aug 20, 2015 • 9:44:38am

re: #194 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Jerry Boykin…of course…

Boykin should have been cashiered. He was a disgrace to the uniform.

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Bear  Aug 20, 2015 • 9:45:16am

re: #192 wrenchwench

Must have been something in the last cuppa coffee but I see a dog/wolf in the wall just above the elephants tail. Two eyes and the nose.

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lawhawk  Aug 20, 2015 • 9:45:55am
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wrenchwench  Aug 20, 2015 • 9:46:42am

re: #197 Bear

Must have been something in the last cuppa coffee but I see a dog/wolf in the wall just above the elephants tail. Two eyes and the nose.

Thanks for sharing the image. Now share the coffee!

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b_sharp  Aug 20, 2015 • 9:47:10am

re: #194 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Jerry Boykin…of course…

What fucking law of nature?

Would I be correct that this person does not accept evolution?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 20, 2015 • 9:47:58am

re: #200 b_sharp

What fucking law of nature?

Would I be correct that this person does not accept evolution?

Boyki is one of those “women should just make sammiches and shut up” guys.

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Kid A  Aug 20, 2015 • 9:48:07am
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SteveMcGaziBolaGate  Aug 20, 2015 • 9:48:22am

Can you even violate a law of nature?

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Kid A  Aug 20, 2015 • 9:49:41am

re: #203 SteveMcGaziBolaGate

Can you even violate a law of nature?

Forget it, he’s rolling.

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BeachDem  Aug 20, 2015 • 9:50:35am

re: #166 Belafon

So the “Is Shaun King black?” story has made its way to CNN: dailykos.com.
It seems like just the day before yesterday that I was getting nitpicked for claiming that two recs on a comment meant people.

I feel your pain, as I was the one who originally posted my amusement at somebody there citing CCJ as a source.

Then, when somebody put up a diary defending Shaun King, some Berniacs immediately swarmed to say how dare she defend him when Bernie blah blah blah. When people pointed out that she was NOT talking about Bernie or the Bernie “incident” they got all huffy and said she didn’t make that clear and implied a Bernie diss.

It took hours for the whole thing to get straightened out. AnnetteK, one of the sane folks pointed out several times what a scumbag Chuck C. is, as well as the other racist who started the whole vendetta against Shaun.

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Nyet  Aug 20, 2015 • 9:52:02am

re: #166 Belafon

So the “Is Shaun King black?” story has made its way to CNN: dailykos.com.
It seems like just the day before yesterday that I was getting nitpicked for claiming that two recs on a comment meant people.

You were not being nitpicked on. You were told that your claims were misleading, and they were. Meanwhile the DKos stands behind Shaun King, as you can see from numerous diaries.

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wrenchwench  Aug 20, 2015 • 9:52:12am

re: #200 b_sharp

What fucking law of nature?

Would I be correct that this person does not accept evolution?

By the ‘law of nature’ he’s thinking of (the way things used to be/have ‘always’ been) he should be dead at his age.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 20, 2015 • 9:52:41am

re: #206 Nyet

Well…

Family Member Confirms to CNN That #BlackLivesMatter Activist Shaun King Is White

During a segment on #BlackLivesMatters activist Shaun King and the allegation he isn’t black at all, CNN host Don Lemon revealed that he had spoken to a family member of King’s who confirmed he was white.

“A family member tells CNN that both of King’s parents are white,” Lemon said on Wednesday night’s edition of CNN Tonight.

Don Lemon citing an unnamed family member.
Sounds totally legit.

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The Vicious Babushka  Aug 20, 2015 • 9:53:11am

re: #206 Nyet

Well…

Family Member Confirms to CNN That #BlackLivesMatter Activist Shaun King Is White

White racists are the only people who actually give a shit about this. What a nothingburger.

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darthstar  Aug 20, 2015 • 9:53:18am

re: #203 SteveMcGaziBolaGate

Can you even violate a law of nature?

You can if you’re a Duggar.

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Nyet  Aug 20, 2015 • 9:54:08am

re: #209 Backwoods_Sleuth

Don Lemon citing an unnamed family member.
Sounds totally legit.

The issue is not going away until King addresses it.

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wrenchwench  Aug 20, 2015 • 9:54:33am

re: #209 Backwoods_Sleuth

Don Lemon citing an unnamed family member.
Sounds totally legit.

I don’t think a family member, named or unnamed, gets to decide one’s race.

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darthstar  Aug 20, 2015 • 9:54:37am

re: #195 Higgs Boson’s Mate

Uh oh.

I think they should poll more states…build the narrative.

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Nyet  Aug 20, 2015 • 9:55:25am

re: #210 The Vicious Babushka

White racists are the only people who actually give a shit about this. What a nothingburger.

Some black folks certainly do give a shit.

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Nyet  Aug 20, 2015 • 9:56:39am

re: #213 wrenchwench

I don’t think a family member, named or unnamed, gets to decide one’s race.

I agree. I said as much during the Dolezal episode. Of course, there are lots of folks who condemned Dolezal but suddenly don’t care about whether King is black…

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Aug 20, 2015 • 9:57:04am

re: #188 wrenchwench

Cannot call Tucson my home town, but I graduated from University of Arizona and spent some of the best times I’ve ever had there.

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Great White Snark  Aug 20, 2015 • 9:58:10am

Page Authors-We sometimes resort to borrowed and stock images right? Well this tool will let us ‘shop them for contrast, tone etc. So we can give them a nicer look without gaming the subject like an Iranian propaganda office at a missile test.

HT Petpixel (of course)

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Charles Johnson  Aug 20, 2015 • 9:58:37am

re: #209 Backwoods_Sleuth

Don Lemon citing an unnamed family member.
Sounds totally legit.

Ugh. Don Lemon is an ass, but this isn’t looking good for Shaun King at all.

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Great White Snark  Aug 20, 2015 • 9:59:19am

re: #188 wrenchwench

Take care, I hope you have a decent Thursday and a nice Friday.

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I unapologetically love that town. It’s been good to me, gem shows for twenty years, family and yes that scenery.

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blueraven  Aug 20, 2015 • 9:59:49am

re: #216 Nyet

I agree. I said as much during the Dolezal episode. Of course, there are lots of folks who condemned Dolezal but suddenly don’t care about whether King is black…

I don’t care if he is biracial or white. However, lying about it is never a good thing. It just gives ammunition to the opposition of the entire BLM movement.

I think King has made several mis-steps.

He needs to address this squarely; sooner rather than later.

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Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Aug 20, 2015 • 10:00:02am

re: #180 The Vicious Babushka

HURR HURR BUT ME & MUHGUNZ IS TEH REAL VICTIMZ!!!!!! STOP STALKING ME!!! I MEAN IT RIGHT NOW!!!! WHERE IS
@SAFETY STOP STALKING MEEEE!!! NO I WILL KEEP TWEETING AT U & NOT BLOCK U!!!!

Seriously.

Dana is the real Feminist because Gunz!

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FormerDirtDart  Aug 20, 2015 • 10:00:10am

re: #219 Charles Johnson

Don Lemon citing an unnamed family member.
Sounds totally legit.

Ugh. Don Lemon is an ass, but this isn’t looking good for Shaun King at all.

Wouldn’t Don Lemon’s time be better spent covering the search for plane parts somewhere, anywhere?

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b_sharp  Aug 20, 2015 • 10:00:19am

re: #213 wrenchwench

I don’t think a family member, named or unnamed, gets to decide one’s race.

King has claimed his siblings have different fathers. If this is true, and I have no reason to doubt it, the man currently his mother’s SO may well be white and King could still have a black father.

The question I have, are they using the current or most recent of his mother’s husbands as evidence Shaun is pure white, or his actual genetic father?

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Nyet  Aug 20, 2015 • 10:00:45am

As far as I’m concerned, if a person feels they belong to some ethnicity or race either without having the ancestry, or having only “slight” ancestry, but feel affiliation with the culture, it’s their right to do so.

Many people disagree though.

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BeachDem  Aug 20, 2015 • 10:01:27am

re: #207 Nyet

You were not being nitpicked on. You were told that your claims were misleading, and they were. Meanwhile the DKos stands behind Shaun King, as you can see from numerous diaries.

The first of the supportive diaries were actually posted after some negative diaries were voted down/hidden. Not saying he doesn’t have support over there, but there are many die-hards dissing Shaun and saying that there is “proof” from such notable sources as Breitbart and the Blaze.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 20, 2015 • 10:01:34am

re: #224 b_sharp

King has claimed his siblings have different fathers. If this is true, and I have no reason to doubt it, the man currently his mother’s SO may well be white and King could still have a black father.

The question I have, are they using the current or most recent of his mother’s husbands as evidence Shaun is pure white, or his actual genetic father?

Apparently they are using a mugshot of a white guy who has the same name as the father on Shaun’s birth certificate as proof.

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Belafon  Aug 20, 2015 • 10:01:45am

#206 Nyet:

The title’s misleading. What the family member confirmed is that both of his listed parents are white. While that might not seem like a differences, what I’ve discovered from my wife working at a pediatric hospital is that the dad listed can be any person the mother chooses. If it’s not the biological father, it can be her husband or boyfriend at the time of birth.

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Great White Snark  Aug 20, 2015 • 10:02:03am

re: #219 Charles Johnson

Don Lemon citing an unnamed family member.
Sounds totally legit.

Ugh. Don Lemon is an ass, but this isn’t looking good for Shaun King at all.

No it’s not. And possibly fraud for tuition. But just as nauseating (to me anyway) is the sheer glee expressed by some out there. As if one needs to be black to advocate. Or something.

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Nyet  Aug 20, 2015 • 10:02:09am

re: #221 blueraven

I suppose from all the hints in his indirect responses, as well as those of his acquaintances and wife, is that it’s possible that while King Sr. is white and is his legal father, he might not be his biological father.

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Great White Snark  Aug 20, 2015 • 10:02:29am

re: #223 FormerDirtDart

Wouldn’t Don Lemon’s time be better spent covering the search for plane parts somewhere, anywhere?

He would have to stand up first.
//

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 20, 2015 • 10:03:07am

re: #230 Nyet

I suppose from all the hints in his indirect responses, as well as those of his acquaintances and wife, is that it’s possible that while King Sr. is white and is his legal father, he might not be his biological father.

That’s the sense I got from his tweets about it.

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wrenchwench  Aug 20, 2015 • 10:03:53am

re: #224 b_sharp

King has claimed his siblings have different fathers. If this is true, and I have no reason to doubt it, the man currently his mother’s SO may well be white and King could still have a black father.

The question I have, are they using the current or most recent of his mother’s husbands as evidence Shaun is pure white, or his actual genetic father?

And, as I am fond of saying about so many things, you can’t tell by looking.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 20, 2015 • 10:04:18am

re: #228 Belafon

#206 Nyet:

The title’s misleading. What the family member confirmed is that both of his listed parents are white. While that might not seem like a differences, what I’ve discovered from my wife working at a pediatric hospital is that the dad listed can be any person the mother chooses. If it’s not the biological father, it can be her husband or boyfriend at the time of birth.

And that happens more often than most people realize.

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Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Aug 20, 2015 • 10:04:44am

re: #221 blueraven

I don’t care if he is biracial or white. However, lying about it is never a good thing. It just gives ammunition to the opposition of the entire BLM movement.

I think King has made several mis-steps.

He needs to address this squarely; sooner rather than later.

When I first noticed his tweets after Ferguson, I assumed King was White, just based on his picture.

Did he actually get a collegescholarship based on being of a minority race or is that allegation false?

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b.d.  Aug 20, 2015 • 10:04:56am

re: #219 Charles Johnson

Don Lemon citing an unnamed family member.
Sounds totally legit.

Ugh. Don Lemon is an ass, but this isn’t looking good for Shaun King at all.

Agreed and a essential cause takes a direct hit and 10 steps back because of this, if true.

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Nyet  Aug 20, 2015 • 10:05:14am

re: #226 BeachDem

The first of the supportive diaries were actually posted after some negative diaries were voted down/hidden. Not saying he doesn’t have support over there, but there are many die-hards dissing Shaun and saying that there is “proof” from such notable sources as Breitbart and the Blaze.

That all the negative diaries were deleted should tell you something. They might be pissed about his alleged unfair treatment of Bernie, but they stand behind him on this issue. There may be 1% of outliers (some of whom are trolls that get banned), but the other 99% support King.

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wrenchwench  Aug 20, 2015 • 10:05:23am

re: #225 Nyet

As far as I’m concerned, if a person feels they belong to some ethnicity or race either without having the ancestry, or having only “slight” ancestry, but feel affiliation with the culture, it’s their right to do so.

Many people disagree though.

I like to think of myself as Mongolian, although there is no genetic link that I know of. But I like their horses.

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Belafon  Aug 20, 2015 • 10:05:50am

Remember when John McCain had to prove overe and over he was born on American soil?

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Nyet  Aug 20, 2015 • 10:08:18am

re: #238 wrenchwench

I like to think of myself as Mongolian, although there is no genetic link that I know of. But I like their horses.

This case is another reminder of the aspect of race/ethnicity as a social construct.

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wrenchwench  Aug 20, 2015 • 10:11:33am

re: #240 Nyet

This case is another reminder of the aspect of race/ethnicity as a social construct.

Some people think everything is a ‘law of nature’.

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BeachDem  Aug 20, 2015 • 10:11:53am

re: #209 Backwoods_Sleuth

Don Lemon citing an unnamed family member.
Sounds totally legit.

Facebook pages from childhood friends and teachers, vouching for Shaun’s story.
facebook.com
facebook.com

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b.d.  Aug 20, 2015 • 10:12:53am

re: #238 wrenchwench

I like to think of myself as Mongolian, although there is no genetic link that I know of. But I like their horses.

I consider myself the last of the Romanovs. I vill get my family’s eggs back!

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 20, 2015 • 10:13:02am
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Eclectic Cyborg  Aug 20, 2015 • 10:13:52am

Is it wrong of me to not care two shits about Shaun King?

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wrenchwench  Aug 20, 2015 • 10:14:03am
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Nyet  Aug 20, 2015 • 10:14:11am

re: #243 b.d.

I consider myself the last of the Romanovs. I vill get my family’s eggs back!

Hey!

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lawhawk  Aug 20, 2015 • 10:14:30am

re: #245 Eclectic Cyborg

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Nyet  Aug 20, 2015 • 10:14:40am

re: #245 Eclectic Cyborg

Is it wrong of me to not care two shits about Shaun King?

No. It’s the Controversy of the Hour.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Aug 20, 2015 • 10:14:42am

re: #244 Backwoods_Sleuth

Am I to assume the “Rapist” in question is Bill Clinton?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 20, 2015 • 10:15:22am

re: #250 Eclectic Cyborg

Am I to assume the “Rapist” in question is Bill Clinton?

who knows with these lunatics.

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Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Aug 20, 2015 • 10:15:34am

re: #244 Backwoods_Sleuth

I’m old enough to remember when Democrats ran non-felons and non-rapists with real birth certificates to be president of the United States.
— Dr. Gene Lingerfelt

What is Dr. Gene complaining about?

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Smith25's Liberal Thighs  Aug 20, 2015 • 10:15:58am

Shaun King was born and went to school about 20 miles from me. Everything that I have ever known about him going back to 1995 when we were both in High School, is that he is biracial.

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Nyet  Aug 20, 2015 • 10:16:15am

re: #250 Eclectic Cyborg

Am I to assume the “Rapist” in question is Bill Clinton?

The only rapist they believe in.

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The Vicious Babushka  Aug 20, 2015 • 10:16:16am

LOL “Sarah Palin News” is still sending me butthurt Tweets about losing the Civil War.

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Timothy Watson  Aug 20, 2015 • 10:16:38am

re: #243 b.d.

I consider myself the last of the Romanovs. I vill get my family’s eggs back!

The Virginia Museum of Fine Arts has five, but I might take offense at stealing stuff from my state. :)

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 20, 2015 • 10:16:43am

re: #252 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse

What is Dr. Gene complaining about?

Anything to do with libturds and demoncrats.
His TL is an avalanche of conspiracy theory derp.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Aug 20, 2015 • 10:17:38am

re: #257 Backwoods_Sleuth

I guess we can add one more to the list of wingnut Doctors…

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iossarian  Aug 20, 2015 • 10:18:18am

re: #254 Nyet

The only rapist they believe in.

So true. “Women lie all the time about rape, except for that one Monica Lewinsky.”

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The Vicious Babushka  Aug 20, 2015 • 10:18:56am

re: #259 iossarian

So true. “Women lie all the time about rape, except for that one Monica Lewinsky.”

Juanita Broaddrick.

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Nyet  Aug 20, 2015 • 10:19:22am

re: #260 The Vicious Babushka

Juanita Broaddrick.

“Oh, now there’s two!”/

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iossarian  Aug 20, 2015 • 10:19:43am

IMO if you fight for a cause, identify with a certain race/ethnicity and are generally simpatico with that group and accepted by them, other people don’t get to decide that you’re not “of that group”.

Whether Shaun King’s approach to furthering his idea of social justice is the right one or not is a separate question.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 20, 2015 • 10:19:44am

re: #258 Eclectic Cyborg

I guess we can add one more to the list of wingnut Doctors…

Dr Gene retweets UpChuck’s friends James Woods and Dr. Marty Fox, so there’s a clue right there.

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The Vicious Babushka  Aug 20, 2015 • 10:19:49am

re: #261 Nyet

“Oh, now there’s two!”/

Monica never accused Bill of rape. It was consensual between them.

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wrenchwench  Aug 20, 2015 • 10:20:32am

re: #245 Eclectic Cyborg

Is it wrong of me to not care two shits about Shaun King?

One can’t care about everything, but I think folks going after Shaun about his race are trying to damage his ability to lead in the movement he has chosen. Same way they go after Deray McKesson. Well, not same way, but same reason. That’s why I am interested. I wish them well.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 20, 2015 • 10:21:53am

More angst from Dr Gene:

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Nyet  Aug 20, 2015 • 10:22:10am

re: #264 The Vicious Babushka

Monica never accused Bill of rape. It was consensual between them.

The hypothetical wingnut in question don’t care.

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KerFuFFler  Aug 20, 2015 • 10:22:12am

re: #145 makeitstop

Banksy Introduces ‘Dismaland’

Wow.

Banksy has banned spray paint, marker pens, knives and ‘legal representatives of the Walt Disney Corporation’ from the site.”

Oh, the irony…

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blueraven  Aug 20, 2015 • 10:22:23am

re: #253 Smith25’s Liberal Thighs

Shaun King was born and went to school about 20 miles from me. Everything that I have ever known about him going back to 1995 when we were both in High School, is that he is biracial.

To me, he looks biracial in his photos. And even if he is not technically, if you have been treated as such, you probably identify as biracial. In the end it doesn’t matter what his race is.

I just wish he would address it fully.

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iossarian  Aug 20, 2015 • 10:22:38am

re: #264 The Vicious Babushka

Monica never accused Bill of rape. It was consensual between them.

Thanks for the correction. I was a bit fast and loose with my attempts at yumor there.

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Ace-o-aces  Aug 20, 2015 • 10:22:48am

re: #212 Nyet

The issue is not going away until King addresses it.

So let me get this straight. King gets beat up for being black and now has to prove he isn’t white?

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The Vicious Babushka  Aug 20, 2015 • 10:23:19am

re: #269 blueraven

To me, he looks biracial in his photos. And even if he is not technically, if you have been treated as such, you probably identify as biracial. In the end it doesn’t matter what his race is.

I just wish he would address it fully.

He could do a DNA test and probably find more than “one drop” of African ancestry.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 20, 2015 • 10:23:30am
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dell*nix  Aug 20, 2015 • 10:25:59am

re: #272 The Vicious Babushka

Like the Kluxer that took the DNA test and found out he was about 8% black? And got kicked out of his group.

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Ace-o-aces  Aug 20, 2015 • 10:26:04am

re: #228 Belafon

#206 Nyet:

The title’s misleading. What the family member confirmed is that both of his listed parents are white. While that might not seem like a differences, what I’ve discovered from my wife working at a pediatric hospital is that the dad listed can be any person the mother chooses. If it’s not the biological father, it can be her husband or boyfriend at the time of birth.

King seems to imply this is what happened.

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Nyet  Aug 20, 2015 • 10:26:08am

re: #269 blueraven

To me he looks like a white dude, as I noted long before the controversy.

But as I wrote above, this should not matter, IMHO.

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blueraven  Aug 20, 2015 • 10:26:37am

Jeb Bush in NH defending using the term “Anchor Babies”. Asking press to give him a better term for it!

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Eclectic Cyborg  Aug 20, 2015 • 10:26:38am

re: #266 Backwoods_Sleuth

Fun fact: My Church actually keeps extra “modest” clothing on hand in case someone comes to service in say, a very short skirt but it’s the only clothes they have.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 20, 2015 • 10:26:49am

re: #272 The Vicious Babushka

He could do a DNA test and probably find more than “one drop” of African ancestry.

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My DNA test results include just about everything from mostly European to sub-Saharan Africa (specifically east Africa) and Siberia/East Asian.

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iossarian  Aug 20, 2015 • 10:26:53am

re: #276 Nyet

To me he looks like a white dude, as I noted long before the controversy.

But as I wrote above, this should not matter, IMHO.

To me he looks like a human being.

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KGxvi  Aug 20, 2015 • 10:26:57am

re: #214 darthstar

I’m surprised the narrative hasn’t taken off. I just checked the wikipedia page on statewide polls. Here are the states that Trump leads (August polls only):

Alabama (30-15 over Bush), Arizona (33-17 over Bush), Arkansas (25.5-21.4 over Huckabee), Florida (21-17 (most recent), 26.6-26.2 over Bush), Georgia (34-12 over Bush), Illinois (12.3-16.5 over Bush), Iowa (22-14 over Carson), Louisiana (29-17 over Bush), Michigan (20-15 over Fiorina), Mississippi (27-20 over Bush), Missouri (23-11-11 over Bush and Carson), New Hampshire (18-13-12 over Bush and Kaisch), New Jersey (21-12 over Christie), North Carolina (30-19 over Bush), Oklahoma (35.8-13.6 over Bush), Pennsylvania (24-13 over Carson), South Carolina (31.3-14 over Bush), Tennessee (35.3-14.5 over Carson), Virginia (28-15 over Bush).

He’s in second place in three other states - Minnesota (19-18-15 Walker, Trump, Bush - Ohio 27-21 Kasich, Trump - Texas 20-19.4-16.9 Cruz, Trump, Bush).

So, that means he’s leading in 3 of the first four states (the most recent Nevada polls makes it 4 of 4). He’s also leading in 6 of the Super Tuesday states and within the margin of error on two others.

Any other year, any other candidate, the story is that he’s becoming the inevitable nominee with leads like that. Especially since he’s leading as second choice in polls where they ask that too.

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gwangung  Aug 20, 2015 • 10:27:17am

re: #277 blueraven

Jeb Bush in NH defending using the term “Anchor Babies”. Asking press to give him a better term for it!

Baby.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Aug 20, 2015 • 10:27:45am

re: #277 blueraven

Jeb Bush in NH defending using the term “Anchor Babies”. Asking press to give him a better term for it!

how about “first generation Americans”?

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KGxvi  Aug 20, 2015 • 10:27:53am

re: #277 blueraven

how about “natural born US citizen”?

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gwangung  Aug 20, 2015 • 10:28:04am

re: #275 Ace-o-aces

King seems to imply this is what happened.

Doesn’t that sorta explain why he’s so indirect about it?

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Nyet  Aug 20, 2015 • 10:28:20am

re: #271 Ace-o-aces

So let me get this straight. King gets beat up for being black and now has to prove he isn’t white?

Since his legal parents seem to be white (as established by the Daily Beast; I don’t care about Breitbart et al.), the ball is in his court. Those were the rules laid down during the Dolezal controversy. If you were fine with it then, you should be fine with it now.

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KGxvi  Aug 20, 2015 • 10:28:21am

re: #282 gwangung

re: #283 Eclectic Cyborg

re: #284 KGxvi

less than a minute!

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Nyet  Aug 20, 2015 • 10:30:19am

re: #280 iossarian

To me he looks like a human being.

In some other places you would be blasted for a statement like this.

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darthstar  Aug 20, 2015 • 10:30:19am

re: #281 KGxvi

We just need at least 10 Republicans on the ballot through Super Tuesday. If the numbers drop, then someone else could unseat him.

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Ace-o-aces  Aug 20, 2015 • 10:30:50am

re: #285 gwangung

Doesn’t that sorta explain why he’s so indirect about it?

I guess he would rather not air his family’s dirty laundry in order to appease a bunch or racists who don’t really care about the truth anyway.

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Belafon  Aug 20, 2015 • 10:31:44am

#269 blueraven

I just wish he would address it fully.</blueraven>

What if, your being attacked for something you did not do, meant you had to expose something about your family that might hurt the mother you love?

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danarchy  Aug 20, 2015 • 10:31:56am

re: #276 Nyet

To me he looks like a white dude, as I noted long before the controversy.

But as I wrote above, this should not matter, IMHO.

Yeah, I always thought he was a white hipster from his twitter photo. The first time I saw a tweet where he mentioned he was black I had to go take a real close look at the pic. I could buy mixed. Whatever, I don’t particularly care.

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iossarian  Aug 20, 2015 • 10:33:32am

re: #286 Nyet

Since his legal parents seem to be white (as established by the Daily Beast; I don’t care about Breitbart et al.), the ball is in his court. Those were the rules laid down during the Dolezal controversy. If you were fine with it then, you should be fine with it now.

I was not fine with it then - it fucking sucks.

This is right-wing bullshit to tear people down and ultimately distract from the shit that’s hurting people every day. It’s puerile and offensive. It’s cut from the same cloth as the moronic “jokes” about Caitlyn Jenner.

Does this mean that occasionally you have to put up with people who are a little bit grating with their stridency? Yes. It’s a small price to pay and I pay it gladly. Helping those people (who often come from painful places it should be noted) feel understood and valued is not, at the end of the day, something to get all upset about.

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Belafon  Aug 20, 2015 • 10:35:29am

#292 danarchy:

Remember when it only took one drop?

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iossarian  Aug 20, 2015 • 10:35:53am

re: #288 Nyet

In some other places you would be blasted for a statement like this.

Oh no I must not be a progressive person or dailykos must not be truly progressive then.

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Nyet  Aug 20, 2015 • 10:36:12am

re: #293 iossarian

I was not fine with it then - it fucking sucks.

Then we agree. She lied about many things, but how she self-identified should have been none of anybody’s business.

PS: But there’s also the reality to consider: it won’t go away until he addresses this explicitly.

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FormerDirtDart  Aug 20, 2015 • 10:36:57am

re: #277 blueraven

Jeb Bush in NH defending using the term “Anchor Babies”. Asking press to give him a better term for it!

IAW United States v. Wong Kim Ark, 169 U.S. 649 (1898)
A possible future President of the United States

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darthstar  Aug 20, 2015 • 10:37:55am

This was some brilliant political judo on Trump’s part yesterday.

[Bush says]That we the United States, he said, have to show them that we have ‘skin in the game’ in order to go into Iraq.

We’ve lost two trillion dollars, thousands of lives, wounded warriors who I love all over the place, and he’s talking about ‘we have to show them that we have skin in the game’? […] Between Common Core, his ‘act of love’ on immigration, and ‘skin in the game’ with Iraq—that’s the third one that we’ve now added—I don’t see how he’s electable.

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blueraven  Aug 20, 2015 • 10:37:57am

re: #291 Belafon

#269 blueraven

He is getting skewered. He has to say something that makes sense. I think he can find a way.

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Eventual Carrion  Aug 20, 2015 • 10:38:07am

re: #210 The Vicious Babushka

White racists are the only people who actually give a shit about this. What a nothingburger.

That’s what I am thinking about this whole fake outrage, what does it matter. Since he should be white he also should be hating on black people? Is that the thinking?

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iossarian  Aug 20, 2015 • 10:38:52am

re: #296 Nyet

Then we agree. She lied about many things, but how she self-identified should have been none of anybody’s business.

PS: But there’s also the reality to consider: it won’t go away until he addresses this explicitly.

You mean the way the birth certificate thing went away for Obama after he showed people the scanned copy?

WHERE’S THE LONG FORM OF YOUR FAMILY HISTORY, SHAUN???

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darthstar  Aug 20, 2015 • 10:39:55am

re: #277 blueraven

Jeb Bush in NH defending using the term “Anchor Babies”. Asking press to give him a better term for it!

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Decatur Deb  Aug 20, 2015 • 10:40:04am

re: #213 wrenchwench

I don’t think a family member, named or unnamed, gets to decide one’s race.

Used to be up to the Alabama voter registrars.

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BeachDem  Aug 20, 2015 • 10:40:46am

re: #277 blueraven

Jeb Bush in NH defending using the term “Anchor Babies”. Asking press to give him a better term for it!

How about “US citizens” Jeb?

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Nyet  Aug 20, 2015 • 10:41:03am

re: #301 iossarian

You mean the way the birth certificate thing went away for Obama after he showed people the scanned copy?

WHERE’S THE LONG FORM OF YOUR FAMILY HISTORY, SHAUN???

There are people who won’t be convinced by anything.

There are people who will be convinced by a plausible explanation. If he says “my legal father is not my biological father”, that will be enough for reasonable folks.

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iossarian  Aug 20, 2015 • 10:42:31am

re: #305 Nyet

There are people who will be convinced by a plausible explanation.

lol

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Nyet  Aug 20, 2015 • 10:43:58am

re: #300 Eventual Carrion

That’s what I am thinking about this whole fake outrage, what does it matter. Since he should be white he also should be hating on black people? Is that the thinking?

The thinking, just to explain what the argument is, is that if he “lied” about his race (incl. having an African-American father), then he has no credibility, plus he went to a black college on a grant from Oprah on the assumption that he was black/biracial.

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Decatur Deb  Aug 20, 2015 • 10:44:05am

re: #305 Nyet

There are people who won’t be convinced by anything.

There are people who will be convinced by a plausible explanation. If he says “my legal is not my biological father”, that will be enough for reasonable folks.

The absurdity is that, unless he passes the One Drop rule, his opinion on BLM and the Ferguson street is devalued.

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Nyet  Aug 20, 2015 • 10:44:21am

re: #306 iossarian

lol

?

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iossarian  Aug 20, 2015 • 10:48:30am

re: #309 Nyet

?

This whole fantasy that there’s a group of reasonable people who just want to understand why Shaun King thinks he’s black, and then they would be satisfied.

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Nyet  Aug 20, 2015 • 10:50:28am

re: #310 iossarian

This whole fantasy that there’s a group of reasonable people who just want to understand why Shaun King thinks he’s black, and then they would be satisfied.

Me. Blueraven. Some black folks on twitter who wanted explanations. But do continue with the “fantasies”.

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Belafon  Aug 20, 2015 • 10:51:51am

#310 iossarian

Yep, the whole point of this is to give whites a reason to stop reading Shaun or stop inviting him on the news. And it doesn’t matter to them if there’s any truth to it, as long as there’s damage done.

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ObserverArt  Aug 20, 2015 • 10:52:19am

re: #242 BeachDem

Don Lemon citing an unnamed family member.
Sounds totally legit.

Facebook pages from childhood friends and teachers, vouching for Shaun’s story.
facebook.com
facebook.com

What a sad story in an increasingly sick America.

Sounds almost like Shaun is a man without a real identity now and that is totally fucked up. He is still a human after all.

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iossarian  Aug 20, 2015 • 10:53:30am

re: #311 Nyet

Me.

OK, let’s take you then. What is your reasonable reason for needing to know why Shaun King thinks he’s black?

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Nyet  Aug 20, 2015 • 10:55:12am

re: #314 iossarian

OK, let’s take you then. What is your reasonable reason for needing to know why Shaun King thinks he’s black?

I didn’t say I “needed” that. I said that I would accept a plausible explanation from him, if such were to come.

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iossarian  Aug 20, 2015 • 10:56:56am

re: #315 Nyet

I didn’t say I “needed” that. I said that I would accept a plausible explanation from him, if such were to come.

So in fact you are not an example of a reasonable person who needs an explanation.

Are there any such people?

And if not, is there any need for an explanation, at all?

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blueraven  Aug 20, 2015 • 10:57:13am

re: #311 Nyet

Me. Blueraven. Some black folks on twitter who wanted explanations. But do continue with the “fantasies”.

Joy Reid on MSNBC just now said she has talked to King. She says his legal father is not his biological father. The matter is private and that he is definitely biracial.

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#FergusonFireside  Aug 20, 2015 • 10:58:21am

re: #317 blueraven

Joy Reid on MSNBC just now said she has talked to King. She says his legal father is not his biological father. The matter is private and that he is definitely biracial.

It’s an attack by racists. Full stop.

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iossarian  Aug 20, 2015 • 10:59:18am

re: #317 blueraven

Joy Reid on MSNBC just now said she has talked to King. She says his legal father is not his biological father. The matter is private and that he is definitely biracial.

Hooray. We have exposed the private details of someone’s upbringing. Reasonable people everywhere can sleep easy tonight. Why Shaun King went to Moorehouse: explained.

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blueraven  Aug 20, 2015 • 10:59:20am

re: #318 #FergusonFireside

It’s an attack by racists. Full stop.

No doubt about that, but they can do some serious damage.

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blueraven  Aug 20, 2015 • 11:00:50am

re: #319 iossarian

Hooray. We have exposed the private details of someone’s upbringing. Reasonable people everywhere can sleep easy tonight. Why Shaun King went to Moorehouse: explained.

Once the accusations are out there, it has to be addressed.
I don’t like this attack any more than you do. But letting it fester and spread to MSM will not help. Nip it.

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Nyet  Aug 20, 2015 • 11:02:12am

re: #316 iossarian

So in fact you are not an example of a reasonable person who needs an explanation.

Are there any such people?

And if not, is there any need for an explanation, at all?

I don’t “need” it because I’m not invested in King. There are people who are invested in him and want an explanation to know whether he is credible. (Him claiming to have an African-American father in absence of such would naturally damage his credibility.)

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Nyet  Aug 20, 2015 • 11:03:01am

re: #317 blueraven

Joy Reid on MSNBC just now said she has talked to King. She says his legal father is not his biological father. The matter is private and that he is definitely biracial.

Well, if that comes straight from King, that settles the matter.

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#FergusonFireside  Aug 20, 2015 • 11:04:31am

re: #320 blueraven

No doubt about that, but they can do some serious damage.

Of course, that’s what they do.

Belittle, dehumanize, othering.

They have plenty of allies.

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BeachDem  Aug 20, 2015 • 11:05:31am

re: #317 blueraven

Joy Reid on MSNBC just now said she has talked to King. She says his legal father is not his biological father. The matter is private and that he is definitely biracial.

And, as Bessie, Billie and scores of others have sung since the 1920s

There ain’t nothin’ I can do or nothin’ I can say
That folks don’t criticize me but I’m going to do
Just as I want to anyway
And don’t care just what people say

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blueraven  Aug 20, 2015 • 11:07:42am

re: #323 Nyet

Well, if that comes straight from King, that settles the matter.

That is what I understood her comments to mean…straight outta Shaun King. /

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Eventual Carrion  Aug 20, 2015 • 11:11:03am

re: #277 blueraven

Jeb Bush in NH defending using the term “Anchor Babies”. Asking press to give him a better term for it!

“Children”. Living, breathing, full of dreams and ambition children. Will that work Jeb!?

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Eventual Carrion  Aug 20, 2015 • 11:12:43am

re: #307 Nyet

The thinking, just to explain what the argument is, is that if he “lied” about his race (incl. having an African-American father), then he has no credibility, plus he went to a black college on a grant from Oprah on the assumption that he was black/biracial.

After I posted that was the first I heard about the college thing.

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iossarian  Aug 20, 2015 • 11:12:45am

re: #322 Nyet

I don’t “need” it because I’m not invested in King. There are people who are invested in him and want an explanation to know whether he is credible. (Him claiming to have an African-American father in absence of such would naturally damage his credibility.)

This is it in a nutshell, isn’t it. “I don’t need to know but there are reasonable people out there who do. I’m not one of them. But they’re out there. So he needs to explain.”

I totally get that there are people who haven’t thought that much about these issues, and think of themselves as reasonable people, who are confused by the whole deal. They’re not all that distant from the college kids I encounter every year via my job who wonder why there’s a Black Students Society and not a White Students Society.

But the fact is that this is not a reasonable requirement, for him to explain himself. Shaun King went to Moorehouse. He has black friends. Some black people think he’s doing the right thing. Others disagree. He’s light skinned but thinks of himself as black. Or maybe it’s more nuanced than that and he thinks of himself as black in some ways but not in others. He is a human being. That should be enough for a reasonable person.

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Nyet  Aug 20, 2015 • 11:16:49am

re: #329 iossarian

He doesn’t have to explain his self-identification as black, as Rachel Dolezal didn’t have to.

But once factual, rather than subjective, claims come into play (like claims about family), that’s a whole another story.

Once the claims are out there - and I don’t mean the easily ignorable Breitbart et al., but rather the more mainstream sources that verified their claims - I think a public figure has to respond.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 20, 2015 • 11:18:36am

re: #317 blueraven

Joy Reid on MSNBC just now said she has talked to King. She says his legal father is not his biological father. The matter is private and that he is definitely biracial.

Great, Shaun has to tell people his mom was a slut who slept around…

spit

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iossarian  Aug 20, 2015 • 11:22:59am

re: #330 Nyet

He doesn’t have to explain his self-identification as black, as Rachel Dolezal didn’t have to.

But once factual, rather than subjective, claims come into play (like claims about family), that’s a whole another story.

Once the claims were out there - and I don’t mean the easily ignorable Breitbart et al., but rather the more mainstream sources that verified their claims - I think a public figure has to respond.

We’re going round in circles here. The justification for needing an explanation is similarly circular.

Joe Breitbart: “Iz you black?”

Shaun King: “It’s complicated.”

Joe Breitbart: “No, but, iz you black really? Cuz you look white to me.”

King: “It’s complicated, OK? Get off my case.”

CNN: “Mr. King today admitted that some complexity exists in his family background. Reasonable people will now surely demand a full explanation.”

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b_sharp  Aug 20, 2015 • 11:24:38am

re: #331 Backwoods_Sleuth

Great, Shaun has to tell people his mom was a slut who slept around…

spit

My dad has 7 kids from 3 different women, only 2 where his wives.

Either he, and all other males, needs to be slut shamed, or slut shaming should stop.

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iossarian  Aug 20, 2015 • 11:25:18am

Ultimately, any argument in support of the claim that reasonable people need an explanation for all this boils down to “because there are unreasonable people who need it”.

Which is not all that good an argument.

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Nyet  Aug 20, 2015 • 11:25:42am

re: #332 iossarian

It’s circular because you seem to ignore my explanation. “Are you black?” is exactly the wrong question, because it’s about perceptions, feelings and differing social conventions. “You said your father was African-American, but this BC has a white dude on it” is a question about verifiable facts.

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iossarian  Aug 20, 2015 • 11:27:40am

re: #335 Nyet

It’s circular because you seem to ignore my explanation. “Are you black?” is exactly the wrong question, because it’s about perceptions, feelings and differing social conventions. “You said your father was African-American, but this BC has a white dude on it” is a question about verifiable facts.

So what you’re saying is that it’s reasonable to ask why an apparently white person is identified as African American?

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blueraven  Aug 20, 2015 • 11:28:15am

re: #334 iossarian

Ultimately, any argument in support of the claim that reasonable people need an explanation for all this boils down to “because there are unreasonable people who need it”.

Which is not all that good an argument.

Life is not fair. News flash.

Obama shouldn’t have had to release his long form BC, but he did.
It was done to stop the stupid reports and speculation.

It also really showed how stupid the people were who were pushing the BS.

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Nyet  Aug 20, 2015 • 11:29:39am

re: #336 iossarian

Um, I’m saying what I have said. If you want to be willfully obtuse on the topic, be my guest.

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BeachDem  Aug 20, 2015 • 11:29:40am

re: #337 blueraven

Life is not fair. News flash.

Obama shouldn’t have had to relese his long form BC, but he did.
It was done to stop the stupid reports and speculation.

Yeah, that really worked out well.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Aug 20, 2015 • 11:31:25am

re: #331 Backwoods_Sleuth

Great, Shaun has to tell people his mom was a slut who slept around…

spit

Or was raped.

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blueraven  Aug 20, 2015 • 11:33:09am

re: #339 BeachDem

Yeah, that really worked out well.

For the most part it did. There will always be the few hopeless nutcases.

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iossarian  Aug 20, 2015 • 11:34:14am

re: #338 Nyet

Um, I’m saying what I have said. If you want to be willfully obtuse on the topic, be my guest.

What you said was:

“You said your father was African-American, but this BC has a white dude on it” is a question about verifiable facts.

In other words, if a birth certificate says “the father of X is hereby classified as white”, it’s an incorrect statement for person X to say “my father is black”. These are verifiable facts, after all.

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Nyet  Aug 20, 2015 • 11:40:06am

re: #342 iossarian

What you said was:

In other words, if a birth certificate says “the father of X is hereby classified as white”, it’s an incorrect statement for person X to say “my father is black”. These are verifiable facts, after all.

No, it’s not a claim*, it’s a question. If the answer is “he may look like the whitest person in the world, and he was identified as white by other persons, but he self-identified as black”, then so be it. The prior probability of that is pretty low, and in this case this did not turn out to be the explanation.

* You will probably argue (just for the sake of arguing) that in saying that this is a white dude we are making a claim; well, duh - except we do that all the time, without verifying whether the person we’re calling white has “one drop”. If you disagree, well, you may as well stop calling any people you don’t know white - after all, you don’t know if they didn’t have a black ancestor.

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BeachDem  Aug 20, 2015 • 11:41:48am

re: #341 blueraven

For the most part it did. There will always be the few hopeless nutcases.

And one of those nutcases is the GOP frontrunner, who said, as recently as February, 2015 (when he was a potential longshot 2016 presidential candidate)

“Now, whether or not that was a real certificate, because a lot of people question it … I certainly question it,” Trump said.

I’ll give the audience credit—Six years into Obama’s presidency, most Americans have given up questioning the president’s birthplace, and Trump’s comments were met with silence in the auditorium.

But, Trump’s still beating that drum and apparently, a lot of Republicans seem to like him//

huffingtonpost.com

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iossarian  Aug 20, 2015 • 11:47:55am

re: #343 Nyet

No, it’s not a claim*, it’s a question. If the answer is “he may look like the whitest person in the world, and he was identified as white by other persons, but he self-identified as black”, then so be it. The prior probability of that is pretty low, and in this case this did not turn out to be the explanation.

* You will probably argue (just for the sake of arguing) that in saying that this is a white dude we are making a claim; well, duh - except we do that all the time, without verifying whether the person we’re calling white has “one drop”. If you disagree, well, you may as well stop calling any people you don’t know white - after all, you don’t know if they didn’t have a black ancestor.

Oh, I’m not arguing just for the sake of arguing, believe me. My point is that asking that question (“this person is identified as white here, so how can he be identified as black over there”) is wrong, basically, because a) it’s not really anyone else’s business how people identify and b) there are lots of plausible mundane explanations.

By the way, you may be interested to know that I don’t particularly call people “white” or “black”. Which does not mean that I’m somehow blind to racism, or can’t tell people apart. But I don’t go around saying “Oh yes, you know, Bill, the black guy.” So my disagreement with you doesn’t really lead me into terrible difficulty as noted by (*) above.

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Belafon  Aug 20, 2015 • 11:48:09am

#341 blueraven

For the most part it did. There will always be the few hopeless nutcases.

Some of whom are running for president.

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iossarian  Aug 20, 2015 • 11:51:33am

A little aside. As part of my job I track race/ethnicity classifications and statistics quite frequently. People put all kinds of stuff in those boxes. Sometimes, we very sensitively ask them whether they checked the wrong box by mistake. But mostly we leave it as-is, because (once again) they probably have some good, personal and boring reason for checking Hispanic/Asian.

It’s the whole Elizabeth Warren non-troversy all over again.

SHE SAID AMERICAN INDIAN SHE MUST BE CHEATING THE SYSTEM SOMEHOW LOOK SHE’S WHITE WHITE WHITE.

Whatever.

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Nyet  Aug 20, 2015 • 11:57:06am

re: #345 iossarian

Oh, I’m not arguing just for the sake of arguing, believe me. My point is that asking that question (“this person is identified as white here, so how can he be identified as black over there”) is wrong, basically, because a) it’s not really anyone else’s business how people identify

We’re not talking about the self-identification of the legal dad here, so (a) doesn’t really apply. We’re asking how someone else’s identification claims square with the pretty significant prior probability of the opposite. The answer to that could indeed be mundane (as was the case here), but then again, in some cases it could be interesting (like it was in the RD case).

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Nyet  Aug 20, 2015 • 11:59:20am

re: #347 iossarian

The thing is, while she didn’t lie, neither is she a Native American. I think this info was useful to herself, of all people.

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iossarian  Aug 20, 2015 • 12:03:53pm

re: #348 Nyet

We’re not talking about the self-identification of the legal dad here, so (a) doesn’t really apply. We’re asking how someone else’s identification claims square with the pretty significant prior probability of the opposite. The answer to that could indeed be mundane (as was the case here), but then again, in some cases it could be interesting (like it was in the RD case).

OK, so my position is that a reasonable person has no need for an explanation here, or even to ask the question. These explanations are not “interesting” to me - I honestly don’t care whether Shaun King’s legal father is his biological father, or whether Rachel Dolezal is estranged from her parents, or whatever, because it’s really not any of my business. Perhaps relevantly, I don’t see it as an attempt to somehow cheat the system or get ahead - it’s just how people decide to self-identify and that’s that.

I can’t tell whether you particularly care about these explanations - in some of these comments you seem to be saying you don’t, but then the above “we’re asking how someone else’s identification claims square with the pretty significant prior probability of the opposite” sort of suggests that you do.

I guess I’m saying that one should not care. But maybe you can convince me that there are some cases in which a reasonable person could have a good reason for caring*.

* I suppose it’s quite possible that the two people involved, the identifying and the identified, have grounds to care.

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iossarian  Aug 20, 2015 • 12:17:00pm

Got to run but will check back later.

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Nyet  Aug 20, 2015 • 12:22:40pm

re: #350 iossarian

OK, so my position is that a reasonable person has no need for an explanation here, or even to ask the question. These explanations are not “interesting” to me

I don’t find that a reasonable position. Just because you don’t find it interesting doesn’t follow that other reasonable people don’t or shouldn’t. It’s up to the individual.

But maybe you can convince me that there are some cases in which a reasonable person could have a good reason for caring*.

I have already written above as to why reasonable people could care for an answer: the matter of credibility. I didn’t find that you addressed this convincingly.

Another example should also be obvious: some people of color care about appropriation. I don’t necessarily agree with that position (I have indicated above that I don’t care how one self-identifies [except maybe under very special circumstances]), but that doesn’t make the position that I don’t share unreasonable. So if you think that black people who criticized Dolezal for “pretending” to be black were not reasonable, it’s up to you. I don’t think they were unreasonable, even if I disagreed.

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iossarian  Aug 20, 2015 • 1:26:22pm

re: #352 Nyet

I don’t find that a reasonable position. Just because you don’t find it interesting doesn’t follow that other reasonable people don’t or shouldn’t. It’s up to the individual.

Well, this may just be a question of semantics. I guess if I think that one shouldn’t ask a question, that’s the same thing as thinking that a reasonable person wouldn’t. Maybe there’s a distinction there? Let me say it this way: I think that asking why person X self-identifies in a certain way, unless one knows them personally and has a good reason to believe they won’t mind (and may be glad to discuss it) is wrong.

I have already written above as to why reasonable people could care for an answer: the matter of credibility. I didn’t find that you addressed this convincingly.

I don’t think that a person who says that their light-skinned father is African American is less credible than a person who says otherwise. I think that’s a non-issue that is used as an attack by people with impure motives. If you think it diminishes that person’s credibility in some way then I think you’re wrong, frankly.

I don’t think Elizabeth Warren is less credible because at one point she had “Native American” in her faculty data profile. There are lots of boring and plausible ways in which that could occur. Once again this seems to be an instance of: “I don’t have a problem with it but other people do.” If you think that people who self-identify in a way that’s surprising to you can legitimately be asked to justify it, then you should say so and not pass it off onto other hypothetical reasonable people.

Another example should also be obvious: some people of color care about appropriation. I don’t necessarily agree with that position (I have indicated above that I don’t care how one self-identifies [except maybe under very special circumstances]), but that doesn’t make the position that I don’t share unreasonable. So if you think that black people who criticized Dolezal for “pretending” to be black were not reasonable, it’s up to you. I don’t think they were unreasonable, even if I disagreed.

I think that people of any description who criticize other people for their self-identification choices are unreasonable, as above. By definition, the “black” people you’re referring to are also (presumably) self-identifying as such. I believe it’s self-defeating for anyone, really, to take an “I’m in group X and this other person cannot be because of my perception of their physical characteristics” position.

Slightly tangentially, I mentioned this a bit upthread in a slightly different way, but I acknowledge that this opens my position up to the fact that a bad actor (e.g., some hypothetical privileged, racist person) could claim to be “black” and somehow mess with people that way, because you couldn’t say “but you’re not” in response. I just think that’s not, in the end, a big problem. Those people (and they are to be found among college-age populations) can be a bit of a pain but are mostly harmless IMO, because if you just say “that’s great, do you want to come to the meetings” they either stop or might actually show up and learn something.

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urbanmeemaw  Aug 20, 2015 • 3:41:07pm

re: #98 b.d.

I thought Greenwald said hackers were heroes? Or something?

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No Country For Old Haters  Aug 20, 2015 • 4:05:06pm

re: #40 teleskiguy

OK, I don’t know the veracity of the contents of this tweet, but it made me go ohhh…

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Followup tweets also mention sex workers using AM, so at least 2 marginalized groups are at risk from this leak.

I did not know that AM had a gay site until reading that Tweet thread. downlow.ashleymadison.com

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No Country For Old Haters  Aug 20, 2015 • 4:26:53pm

re: #116 lawhawk

I’m not a fan of former President Carter, but he is handling his failing health - metastatic cancer that has now spread to his brain - with grace that few in public life seem to possess:

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It sounds like he’s suffering all manner of pain and discomfort but isn’t letting on just how much (though pain is one of those things that varies in tolerance from one person to the next). This is the kind of diagnosis that I wouldn’t wish on anyone. Anyone.

Why aren’t you a fan? He’s done lots of great things.


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Create a PageThis is the LGF Pages posting bookmarklet. To use it, drag this button to your browser's bookmark bar, and title it 'LGF Pages' (or whatever you like). Then browse to a site you want to post, select some text on the page to use for a quote, click the bookmarklet, and the Pages posting window will appear with the title, text, and any embedded video or audio files already filled in, ready to go.
Or... you can just click this button to open the Pages posting window right away.
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