At Breitbart “News,” a Horrifying Deluge of Hatred and Bigotry

“Go back home to Mexico”
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I’ve been keeping tabs on the Breitbart “News” comment section for years, and it’s never been worse than it is tonight. When Donald Trump had his bodyguards eject Univision reporter Jorge Ramos from his press conference, Breitbart commenters launched into a nauseating orgy of anti-Hispanic bigotry like nothing I’ve ever seen.

Here are some excerpts from the worst comment section, but by no means the only one; every single article tonight at Breitbart “News” is full of comments like these. Donald Trump has unleashed a horrible hidden world of hatred.

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Hor Hay must be an illegal Trump gave him the book.

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Doesn’t anyone from Mexico know how to wait their turn?

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Absolutely refreshing to see and hear a white man with BALLS

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The commentator said Jorge refused to back down. Did I miss something? It looked to me like Trump was the one that refused to back down from the scrawny little Brown Beret posing as a journalist.

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Has anyone actually asked oh Jorgie for his papers to make sure he’s even allowed in the Country?

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Days as President: 0
Illegals Removed: 1
TRUMP 2016! MAKING AMERICA GREAT AGAIN.

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Jorge Ramos perfectly represents the illegal invasion. Preferential treatment is demanded when they can’t even be bothered to follow rules. Your actions Ramos show everyone why Americans are demanding 30 MILLION illegals be deported. Breaking OUR laws to come here illegally gives you the right to NOTHING!

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Great show and tell, get them the F;;;k out of our America!

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Jorge got deported! Ok I am sure I was beaten to the joke. Apologies

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I consider mestizos like Ramos guilty of train when they agitate foe more of their co-ethnics to come here and use up resources that are already earmarked for white Americans.

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W E T B A C K …. Go Back….

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KICK
MUSLIMS
OUT
TOO

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We had the onion fields , maybe it is time for the Bean fields ——— wut?

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He got off easy in my opinion. Too easy. “stop resisting!”

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Trump should deport Jorge back to Mexico. He’s(Jorge) a real threat to the Americans born here in this country- he’s all for the Illegals entering here and giving them everything. God Bless Us all as Americans and The United States of America. VOTE Mr. Donald Trump for President!!!

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Now thats how you handle an undocumented journalist!

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Easy way to deport 11 million illegals… 11 million Americans will pick one up and drive each one to the border!

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Hey Jorge, exercise your dual citizenship, go back home to Mexico, stay there, then renounce your citizenship of the country you find so offensive! See how that works for you butt head!

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As hard as the Commie libturds try they can’t take down Trump the Great.

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Most dogs are better behaved. At least they sit when you tell them to. Next time Trump should just call Animal Control.

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how about a hose, with cold water, squirt him

HILARIOUS

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America rising! The sleeping giant is awake! Law & order! There’s a new sheriff in town!

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Uggh, Jorge reminds me of my little Dachshund yap yap yap yap until you tell him , NO and lock him in garage.

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Did he even ask a question or just spout off in his crazy moon language?

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The day after Trump wins the election millions of illegal wets will start self-deporting.

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That’s how you do it, one obnoxious Mexican at a time.
Anymore questions?

There’s so much more of this awful hate speech; thousands and thousands of comments just like these.

But after quoting all this crazed ranting about deporting him, we should note that Univision’s Jorge Ramos is an American citizen, and Univision is an American company.

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580 comments
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HappyWarrior  Aug 25, 2015 • 8:19:25pm

I sadly do expect this crap from Breitbart readers and their editors but the fact that none of Mr. Ramos’ fellow reporters stood up for him disappoints me greatly. This guy was actually doing what a reporter should be doing, asking a candidate about his proposed policy and pointing out that it would be crap.

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jaunte  Aug 25, 2015 • 8:20:14pm

Jonathan Capehart:
“Outrageous, inappropriate, vitriolic, xenophobic and racist statements that appeal to the basest instincts of the voting public have long been part of the political landscape at all levels of government. So Trump’s liberal use of angry and ignorant rhetoric is no shock. But that doesn’t make it right or okay to ignore.”
washingtonpost.com

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jaunte  Aug 25, 2015 • 8:20:49pm

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Reality Based Steve  Aug 25, 2015 • 8:21:34pm

But the new GOP is looking to make a bigger tent, to reach out to Hispanics, Asians, LGBT. When does this stupidity on their part ends, and they admit that they created the unhinged monster that will tear apart this country given 1/2 a chance.

I don’t often swear, but these fucking assholes piss me off to no end.

RBS

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Charles Johnson  Aug 25, 2015 • 8:22:05pm

Notice that the Breitbart commenters are actually screaming for 30 MILLION PEOPLE to be deported.

30 million people.

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jaunte  Aug 25, 2015 • 8:22:57pm

re: #4 Reality Based Steve

the new GOP is looking to make a bigger tent, to reach out to Hispanics, Asians, LGBT

If they can win their district without doing this, they won’t.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 25, 2015 • 8:23:02pm

re: #5 Charles Johnson

Notice that the Breitbart commenters are actually screaming for 30 MILLION PEOPLE to be deported.

30 million people.

That’s a staggering number.

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Aunty Entity Dragon  Aug 25, 2015 • 8:24:34pm

re: #2 jaunte

Jonathan Capehart:
“Outrageous, inappropriate, vitriolic, xenophobic and racist statements that appeal to the basest instincts of the voting public have long been part of the political landscape at all levels of government. So Trump’s liberal use of angry and ignorant rhetoric is no shock. But that doesn’t make it right or okay to ignore.”
washingtonpost.com

Stay away from the comments section. IQ points are too valuable to waste.

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Great White Snark  Aug 25, 2015 • 8:24:40pm

Donald Trump, the campaign of hate, divisiveness and featuring a fascist billionaire. May your fat maximum carbon footprint plane fail to fly because the altitude itself can’t stand your presence.

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Charles Johnson  Aug 25, 2015 • 8:25:31pm

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Aug 25, 2015 • 8:25:39pm

re: #7 HappyWarrior

That’s a staggering number.

Innumeracy at work. Dealing with 30 million people scattered across 50 states would be a logistical nightmare, and ultimately impossible to manage.

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Aunty Entity Dragon  Aug 25, 2015 • 8:26:35pm

re: #5 Charles Johnson

Notice that the Breitbart commenters are actually screaming for 30 MILLION PEOPLE to be deported.

30 million people.

This is how Krystalnacht comes to your neighborhood.

BTW…Godwinning rules are no longer in effect when it comes to dealing with this kind of nightmare.

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Aunty Entity Dragon  Aug 25, 2015 • 8:28:25pm

re: #11 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

Innumeracy at work. Dealing with 30 million people scattered across 50 states would be a logistical nightmare, and ultimately impossible to manage.

I’m sure the Breitbart folks would be in favor of cattlecar trains running all night to the camps…

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Nyet  Aug 25, 2015 • 8:31:52pm

re: #12 Aunty Entity Dragon

As I mentioned earlier:

The old rule was: the one mentioning Hitler/Nazis loses the debate.

The new rule is: the one trying to apply the old rule loses the debate.

Because if you can’t use historical analogies, it’s akin to forgetting, and the one who forgets history is doomed to repeat it.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 25, 2015 • 8:32:20pm

re: #11 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

Innumeracy at work. Dealing with 30 million people scattered across 50 states would be a logistical nightmare, and ultimately impossible to manage.

And as I’ve pointed out, you would have some legal US residents and even citizens deported. Hell that happens now but if we had a mass deportation policy, it would happen even more.

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Aunty Entity Dragon  Aug 25, 2015 • 8:33:01pm

re: #15 HappyWarrior

And as I’ve pointed out, you would have some legal US residents and even citizens deported. Hell that happens now but if we had a mass deportation policy, it would happen even more.

I think that is intended.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 25, 2015 • 8:33:27pm

re: #12 Aunty Entity Dragon

This is how Krystalnacht comes to your neighborhood.

BTW…Godwinning rules are no longer in effect when it comes to dealing with this kind of nightmare.

Well they’re talking about rounding up five many times as Jews that were murdered in the Holocaust. When you start talking about rounding people up and calling these people parasites as they often do, you forfeit your Godwin protection IMO.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 25, 2015 • 8:34:18pm

re: #16 Aunty Entity Dragon

I think that is intended.

No doubt and I worry about my sister in law and her family as well as my niece. This isn’t a political issue to me anymore. This is personal.

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Eric The Fruit Bat  Aug 25, 2015 • 8:35:54pm

re: #8 Aunty Entity Dragon

Thre’s some serious derp in the comments section-especially about jailing CEO’s without bond for employing illegals.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 25, 2015 • 8:37:39pm

re: #19 Eric The Fruit Bat

Thre’s some serious derp in the comments section-especially about jailing CEO’s without bond for employing illegals.

OFFS without bond is something that should be reserved for only a serious felony. I would be opposed to holding a burglar without bond. Don’t these people actually read the Constitution that they claim to love?

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HappyWarrior  Aug 25, 2015 • 8:38:53pm

The real truth is this is the BNPing/NFing/or name your particular Eurofascist candy bar of the GOP. I’ll give President Bush credit. He didn’t want to turn his party into that but ever since they rejected his immigration reform, they’ve been on the Nick Griffin/Maxine LePen path when it comes to the hopes and dreams of immigrants.

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WhatEVs  Aug 25, 2015 • 8:40:05pm

re: #14 Nyet

As I mentioned earlier:

The old rule was: the one mentioning Hitler/Nazis loses the debate.

The new rule is: the one trying to apply the old rule loses the debate.

Because if you can’t use historical analogies, it’s akin to forgetting, and the one who forgets history is doomed to repeat it.

I also think the Godwining for the sake of it (OBAMA IS JUST LIKE HITLER!!11!!! Really, why? SHUTUP!!!11!!!) is different then looking at what Trump, et al, are actually doing.

As to the topic at hand, remember that Trump is paying Breitbart for his coverage. I’d expect nothing less than the rampant hate…it’s his base.

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Aunty Entity Dragon  Aug 25, 2015 • 8:43:39pm

re: #21 HappyWarrior

The real truth is this is the BNPing/NFing/or name your particular Eurofascist candy bar of the GOP. I’ll give President Bush credit. He didn’t want to turn his party into that but ever since they rejected his immigration reform, they’ve been on the Nick Griffin/Maxine LePen path when it comes to the hopes and dreams of immigrants.

When Reagan stood at the fucking Neshoba County Fair in Mississippi to declare his support of “States Rights” and told anecdotes of “strapping young black bucks buying T-bone steaks with welfare”, the GOP started down this road to where it is now.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 25, 2015 • 8:44:28pm

re: #22 WhatEVs

I also think the Godwining for the sake of it (OBAMA IS JUST LIKE HITLER!!11!!! Really, why? SHUTUP!!!11!!!) is different then looking at what Trump, et al, are actually doing.

As to the topic at hand, remember that Trump is paying Breitbart for his coverage. I’d expect nothing less than the rampant hate…it’s his base.

Right, Godwining is when you see Glenn Beck go “Oh Obama is like Hitler because EMPATHY.” I mean I hate comparing anyone to the Nazis but the right in this country are acting a lot like them since they’re finding minority groups like immigrants, gays, and Muslims and scapegoating them. It’s the immigrant’s fault YOU can’t find a job, it’s theGAYS fault that Christianity isn’t as big anymore, and it’s the Muslims fault about terrorism. These guys would be shit as a party if they didn’t scapegoat and people actually knew that the Republican Party is a party that combines the worst actions of social conservatism with Ayn Rand’s wet dream when it comes to improving the lives of its fellow citizens.

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teleskiguy  Aug 25, 2015 • 8:45:45pm

re: #3 jaunte

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HappyWarrior  Aug 25, 2015 • 8:45:46pm

re: #23 Aunty Entity Dragon

When Reagan stood at the fucking Neshoba County Fair in Mississippi to declare his support of “States Rights” and told anecdotes of “strapping young black bucks buying T-bone steaks with welfare”, the GOP started down this road to where it is now.

In a just world, Reagan would have had his political career end with that moment. I’ll always despise Ronnie for doing that by the way. He knew better. He was someone who was brought up by an Irish-Catholic father who knew prejudice was wrong and Ronnie spent his post acting career embracing the same people who told his dear old Dad that he could never be a loyal American because he was Catholic.

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Reality Based Steve  Aug 25, 2015 • 8:46:02pm

From Sinclair Lewis’ “It Can’t Happen Here”

From It Can’t Happen Here: “But he saw too that in America the struggle was befogged by the fact that the worst Fascists were they who disowned the word ‘Fascism’ and preached enslavement to Capitalism under the style of Constitutional and Traditional Native American Liberty.”

It’s often (but incorrectly) phrased as “When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross.”

This is exactly what we are seeing, crony capitalism combined with the most malignant forms of religious puritanicalism. Between the Dominionists, the Nativists and the unreconstructed Neo-Confederates this is not a happy time for America.

I’ve been shot at for this Country, I’ve gone to too many damn memorial services for friends that have died in it’s service. This can’t be the country I love.

Damn it them all to hell. (edited to show who my anger is at, not the country, but the cancer within it.)

RBS

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HappyWarrior  Aug 25, 2015 • 8:47:25pm

re: #27 Reality Based Steve

From Sinclair Lewis’ “It Can’t Happen Here”

From It Can’t Happen Here: “But he saw too that in America the struggle was befogged by the fact that the worst Fascists were they who disowned the word ‘Fascism’ and preached enslavement to Capitalism under the style of Constitutional and Traditional Native American Liberty.”

It’s often (but incorrectly) phrased as “When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross.”

This is exactly what we are seeing, crony capitalism combined with the most malignant forms of religious puritanicalism. Between the Dominionists, the Nativists and the unreconstructed Neo-Confederates this is not a happy time for America.

I’ve been shot at for this Country, I’ve gone to too many damn memorial services for friends that have died in it’s service. This can’t be the country I love.

Damn it all to hell.

RBS

Honestly Steve, the actual quote is more closer to the reality since the attributed quote doesn’t underscore about how they use capitalism as a means of saying their product.

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Aunty Entity Dragon  Aug 25, 2015 • 8:49:27pm

re: #25 teleskiguy

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Here is one of the best Cthulhu mythos novellas I have read in awhile and (bonus!) it is set in the middle of the Reagan 80’s and the Ollie North arms for hostages deal:
infinityplus.co.uk

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Shiplord Kirel  Aug 25, 2015 • 8:54:49pm

Godwin’s law was created so we could save the Nazi analogies for when they were truly needed.

That time is now.

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aagcobb  Aug 25, 2015 • 8:55:40pm

re: #30 Shiplord Kirel

Godwin’s law was created so we could save the Nazi analogies for when they were truly needed.

That time is now.

If Trump is the GOP nominee, the US will for the first time have an electorally significant fascist party.

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DobermanBoston  Aug 25, 2015 • 8:56:22pm

Shocking I know but Kelly’s first name ending in “gyn” has occasioned some vulgar puns and “humor” on the political sites, following tonight’s revisiting of her beef with Trump.

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Feline Fearless Leader  Aug 25, 2015 • 8:58:22pm

re: #19 Eric The Fruit Bat

Thre’s some serious derp in the comments section-especially about jailing CEO’s without bond for employing illegals.

Wouldn’t that list include The Donald himself?

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HappyWarrior  Aug 25, 2015 • 8:59:55pm

re: #33 Feline Fearless Leader

Wouldn’t that list include The Donald himself?

Well of course. Really if Trump’s supporters want to tell us that Donald has never employed an illegal immigrant and that it’s a crime worthy of being jailed without bond. Wingnuts just love the idea of filling our jails with people who don’t belong there.

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Aunty Entity Dragon  Aug 25, 2015 • 9:00:51pm

re: #29 Aunty Entity Dragon

Here is one of the best Cthulhu mythos novellas I have read in awhile and (bonus!) it is set in the middle of the Reagan 80’s and the Ollie North arms for hostages deal:
infinityplus.co.uk

After a few minutes, Roger’s hand is still. He leaves his cigarette in the eagle-headed ash tray and picks up the intelligence report again. It’s a summary, itself the distillation of thousands of pages and hundreds of photographs. It’s barely twenty pages long: as of 1963, its date of preparation, the CIA knew very little about Project Koschei. Just the bare skeleton, and rumours from a highly-placed spy. And their own equivalent project, of course. Lacking the Soviet lead in that particular field, the USAF fielded the silver-plated white elephants of the NB-39 project: twelve atomic-powered bombers armed with XK-PLUTO, ready to tackle Project Koschei should the Soviets show signs of unsealing the bunker. Three hundred megatons of H-bombs pointed at a single target, and nobody was certain it would be enough to do the job.

And then there was the hard-to-conceal fiasco in Antarctica. Egg on face: a subterranean nuclear test program in international territory! If nothing else, it had been enough to stop JFK running for a second term. The test program was a bad excuse: but it was far better than confessing what had really happened to the 501st Airborne Division on the cold plateau beyond Mount Erebus. The plateau that the public didn’t know about, that didn’t show up on the maps issued by the geological survey departments of those governments party to the Dresden Agreement of 1931 — an arrangement that even Hitler had stuck to. The plateau that had swallowed more U-2 spy planes than the Soviet Union, more surface expeditions than darkest Africa.

Shit. How the hell am I going to put this together for him?

Roger’s spent the past five hours staring at this twenty page report, trying to think of a way of summarizing their drily quantifiable terror in words that will give the reader power over them, the power to think the unthinkable: but it’s proving difficult. The new man in the White House is straight-talking, demands straight answers. He’s pious enough not to believe in the supernatural, confident enough that just listening to one of his speeches is an uplifting experience if you can close your eyes and believe in morning in America. There is probably no way of explaining Project Koschei, or XK-PLUTO, or MK-NIGHTMARE, or the gates, without watering them down into just another weapons system — which they are not. Weapons may have deadly or hideous effects, but they acquire moral character from the actions of those who use them. Whereas these projects are indelibly stained by a patina of ancient evil …

He hopes that if the balloon ever does go up, if the sirens wail, he and Andrea and Jason will be left behind to face the nuclear fire. It’ll be a merciful death compared with what he suspect lurks out there, in the unexplored vastness beyond the gates. The vastness that made Nixon cancel the manned space program, leaving just the standing joke of a white-elephant shuttle, when he realised just how hideously dangerous the space race might become. The darkness that broke Jimmy Carter’s faith and turned Lyndon B. Johnson into an alcoholic.

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Shiplord Kirel  Aug 25, 2015 • 9:01:04pm

One World (1943) by Wendell Willkie, 1940 Republican Presidential nominee.

It is a document of his world travels and meetings with many of the Allies’ heads of state as well as ordinary citizens and soldiers in locales such as El Alamein, Russia, and Iran. Willkie also discusses the need for some sort of world government.

What would Willkie say at the spectacle that is now unfolding?

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Lidane  Aug 25, 2015 • 9:02:29pm

re: #18 HappyWarrior

This isn’t a political issue to me anymore. This is personal.

It’s been personal for me from the beginning.

Today’s conservative base revels in this kind of bigoted, xenophobic bullshit. It’s not long before they start openly attacking Latinos just like Trump’s “passionate” fans.

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teleskiguy  Aug 25, 2015 • 9:02:51pm

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TedStriker  Aug 25, 2015 • 9:03:32pm

re: #15 HappyWarrior

And as I’ve pointed out, you would have some legal US residents and even citizens deported. Hell that happens now but if we had a mass deportation policy, it would happen even more.

A feature, not a bug.

“Well, to make an omelet, ya hafta break a few eggs.”

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jaunte  Aug 25, 2015 • 9:04:01pm

That’s enough by Trump logic to make himself feel a “loser.”

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HappyWarrior  Aug 25, 2015 • 9:04:14pm

re: #37 Lidane

It’s been personal for me from the beginning.

Today’s conservative base revels in this kind of bigoted, xenophobic bullshit. It’s not long before they start openly attacking Latinos just like Trump’s “passionate” fans.

Understandably so. I hope I didn’t come off as meaning I didn’t care before but what I meant by personal is this is an issue that now effects family. And Trump’s response to that attack in South Boston shows you what kind of pathetic asshole he is. My supporters are “passionate people.” What a fucking jagoff.

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Feline Fearless Leader  Aug 25, 2015 • 9:04:43pm

re: #35 Aunty Entity Dragon

Charlie Stross stuff. :)

Have you read any of his “Laundry” books? More current day, but of the same general genre.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 25, 2015 • 9:04:55pm

re: #39 TedStriker

A feature, not a bug.

“Well, to make an omelet, ya hafta break a few eggs.”

Oh of course. As Sideshow Bob says deep down you hunger for a Republican to cut taxes and brutalize your criminals. The funny thing is Bob was a convicted felon himself heh,

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HappyWarrior  Aug 25, 2015 • 9:06:03pm

re: #40 jaunte

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That’s enough by Trump logic to make himself feel a “loser.”

I never thought about it like that- Trump being jealous of Slim.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 25, 2015 • 9:06:27pm

re: #38 teleskiguy

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Where’s the cowboy on the horizon?

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Pawn of the Oppressor  Aug 25, 2015 • 9:06:43pm

Declaration of an Honest Party Platform.

From: The GOP Leadership

Dear Not Real America,

We of the GOP have decided to stop pretending we care about anybody who isn’t white and Christian with a penis.

To Black People: To hell with you! You’re dirty welfare-cheating animals. You’re not really people. Your lives don’t matter. Fuck you! It was a mistake to end slavery! You ruin EVERYTHING! Go back to Africa!

To Mexicans: Go back to your shitty smelly country, you stupid, babble-talking dirty drug-dealing dirtbags! Put down your leaf blowers, get into your truck, and go back to the god-forsaken pit you came from! You steal our money!

To filthy hippy Dummycrats who think government should help people: Get out! You’re all Commie scum and we’re just waiting for the day we can kill you all!

To Muslims: We’re warming up the jets and dusting off the nukes. We can pump gas through glass! Fuck you!

To Women: Feminism, LOL! Shut up and shut up and shut up! Shut up shut up, make us a sandwich, and then shut up some more! Stupid sluts! LOL

Everybody who isn’t us, FUCK YOU! LIKE A MILLION TIMES!

Signed,

The Honest Republican Party, 2015.

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jaunte  Aug 25, 2015 • 9:07:14pm

re: #44 HappyWarrior

I never thought about it like that- Trump being jealous of Slim.

$72.9 billion

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DobermanBoston  Aug 25, 2015 • 9:08:49pm

re: #46 Pawn of the Oppressor

Awesome, but don’t forget the “cuckservatives”, RINOs, etc.

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Aunty Entity Dragon  Aug 25, 2015 • 9:09:30pm

re: #42 Feline Fearless Leader

Charlie Stross stuff. :)

Have you read any of his “Laundry” books? More current day, but of the same general genre.

I am looking for more.

That novella blew me away when I first read it a couple weeks ago. The PLUTO nuclear powered cruise missile was real (although never actually deployed), as were the nuclear powered bombers he described. A seriously disturbing notion of what the Reagan admin and the Russians might actually have done had the “Mountains of Madness” story been real and that kind of nasty biotech was laying around for us to use.

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jaunte  Aug 25, 2015 • 9:10:15pm

re: #44 HappyWarrior

I never thought about it like that- Trump being jealous of Slim.

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Lidane  Aug 25, 2015 • 9:12:02pm

re: #41 HappyWarrior

Understandably so. I hope I didn’t come off as meaning I didn’t care before but what I meant by personal is this is an issue that now effects family.

Oh, no. I didn’t take your post that way at all. I got what you were saying. :)

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HappyWarrior  Aug 25, 2015 • 9:13:29pm

re: #51 Lidane

Oh, no. I didn’t take your post that way at all. I got what you were saying. :)

Thanks. Just wanted to clarify. But yeah when I heard about Trump wanting to get rid of birthright citizenship, I immediately talked to my brother about it. He’s always been an opinionated guy though never a voter. Thankful to see despite his late teen flirtation with Ron Paul, he’s a Bernie guy this time.

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Feline Fearless Leader  Aug 25, 2015 • 9:16:01pm

re: #49 Aunty Entity Dragon

I am looking for more.

That novella blew me away when I first read it a couple weeks ago. The PLUTO nuclear powered cruise missile was real (although never actually deployed), as were the nuclear powered bombers he described. A seriously disturbing notion of what the Reagan admin and the Russians might actually have done had the “Mountains of Madness” story been real and that kind of nasty biotech was laying around for us to use.

Let’s see if I can recall the names:
“The Atrocity Archives” - first one - more of a mashup novel
“The Jennifer Morgue”
“The Fuller Memorandum”
“The Apocalypse Codex”

There are some additional related stories, but I have not read them. And the series is somewhat lighter than “A Colder War” in how it plays with the main characters. Which I think may be necessary given the dark subject matter.

And when we start assembling the Lizard Book recommendations I will say that some of Stross’ work should be on it.

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jaunte  Aug 25, 2015 • 9:17:50pm

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goddamnedfrank  Aug 25, 2015 • 9:18:58pm

That thing where Andrew Breitbart always would claim that the racist comments on his websites were planted. What was awesome about that was he always had the power to ban the users who made those comments, but for some reason he never did. It seems like his heirs have the same mysterious paralysis in the face of abject racism plagued Andrew before he died.

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Great White Snark  Aug 25, 2015 • 9:20:34pm

re: #55 goddamnedfrank

Funny thing is to solve that problem all he had to do was delete them as fast as they could be discovered. Planted or not.

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goddamnedfrank  Aug 25, 2015 • 9:22:48pm

re: #56 Great White Snark

Funny thing is to solve that problem all he had to do was delete them as fast as they could be discovered. Planted or not.

He could have gotten an intern to moderate and just instituted a not tolerance policy, banning users who violated it. But that would have alienated his core audience.

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Feline Fearless Leader  Aug 25, 2015 • 9:23:50pm

And since I’m tossing around light SF recommendations tonight I will make one for John Scalzi’s _Agent To The Stars_.

An interesting story and I chuckled and outright guffawed a few times while reading it.
:)

I also hold it as totally fictional since it makes a few too many assumptions about human behavior, but needed to do so in order to complete the ending.

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Aunty Entity Dragon  Aug 25, 2015 • 9:25:16pm

re: #53 Feline Fearless Leader

Thanks for suggestions :)

Fun website here for anybody else that explains the PLUTO nuke powered SLAM (supersonic low altitude missile)

jalopnik.com

Thanks to the nuclear reactor, the missile could stay aloft almost indefinitely. That means after flying across the Earth to its targets in the Soviet Union, where it would dump its payload of 16+ hydrogen bombs, the missile itself was still good to keep flying. Which allowed for all kinds of extra terror-fun:

…a locomotive-size missile that would travel at near-treetop level at three times the speed of sound, tossing out hydrogen bombs as it roared overhead. Pluto’s designers calculated that its shock wave alone might kill people on the ground. Then there was the problem of fallout. In addition to gamma and neutron radiation from the unshielded reactor, Pluto’s nuclear ramjet would spew fission fragments out in its exhaust as it flew by. (One enterprising weaponeer had a plan to turn an obvious peace-time liability into a wartime asset: he suggested flying the radioactive rocket back and forth over the Soviet Union after it had dropped its bombs.)

This crazy bastard had so many ways to kill you, it was like a death buffet: should I die in the nuclear blasts of the bombs themselves, or just let the shockwave of the overpassing missile kill me? Maybe I’ll just wait for the radiation sickness as this thing circles endlessly overhead, like a colossal demonic robot vulture. It’s so hard to choose!

Good times…good times.

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jaunte  Aug 25, 2015 • 9:26:25pm

Meet (Some Of) The Members Of Donald Trump’s White Supremacist Fan Club

-David Duke
-Pat Buchanan
The Daily Stormer, a leading neo-Nazi news site
-Richard Spencer, director of the National Policy Institute, which promotes the “heritage, identity, and future of European people
-Jared Taylor, editor of American Renaissance, a Virginia-based white nationalist magazine
-Michael Hill, head of the League of the South, an Alabama-based white supremacist secessionist group
-Brad Griffin, a member of Hill’s League of the South and author of the popular white supremacist blog Hunter Wallacehttp://huffingtonpost.com

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Great White Snark  Aug 25, 2015 • 9:26:25pm

re: #57 goddamnedfrank

Pretense is pretense is pretense. They can pretzel it all they want. The truth of the matter is pretty obvious. Maybe there is a better hashtag but I took this stab at it. #brownscaring

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Jenner7  Aug 25, 2015 • 9:30:19pm

Phew. Finally caught up on threads.

My sentiments exactly.

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Great White Snark  Aug 25, 2015 • 9:30:59pm

Open question i touched on earlier-Who if anyone has worried you more as a presidential candidate than Donald Trump? Anyone? Pat Buchanan maybe. Pat Robertson maybe? IIRC even they had a far more reserved rhetoric.

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teleskiguy  Aug 25, 2015 • 9:32:37pm

Andrew Breitbart has done more to poison the discourse in the United States than just about anybody. He created a template for moron conservative neckbeards (they’re almost *all* men) to be victimized, marginalized, whatever, in order for them to come back at their critics and say “You Bunch Of Meanies! You all Suck! FREE SPEEACH!” And all the other racial bullshit they partake in. Ben Shapiro is an especially mindless Breitbrat, he’s about as self-aware as UpChuck. Ben still has a Twitter account because he hasn’t doxxed anybody and hasn’t used the n-word in his tweets, yet.

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Amory Blaine  Aug 25, 2015 • 9:36:03pm

Yikes. Comment at The Hill

guest EscoAl • 23 minutes ago
Don’t be angry just go back to own county you pile of lying fecal material. Trump will hunt your ilk down, we’ll put a bounty on you and hunt you down like a dog. Then you and your disgusting taco truck can sell your tacos in tijuana, where you belong.

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Eric The Fruit Bat  Aug 25, 2015 • 9:40:06pm

re: #64 teleskiguy

Hey, Joseph Farrah might have some hurt feefees here. ////

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Lidane  Aug 25, 2015 • 9:40:08pm

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Amory Blaine  Aug 25, 2015 • 9:41:56pm

Statute of limitations run out on the Bush regime? Better late than never.

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Aunty Entity Dragon  Aug 25, 2015 • 9:44:28pm

re: #65 Amory Blaine

Yikes. Comment at The Hill

guest EscoAl • 23 minutes ago
Don’t be angry just go back to own county you pile of lying fecal material. Trump will hunt your ilk down, we’ll put a bounty on you and hunt you down like a dog. Then you and your disgusting taco truck can sell your tacos in tijuana, where you belong.

OMG…the comment section there is right out of Stormfront. What the hell is going on here?

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bratwurst  Aug 25, 2015 • 9:47:41pm

re: #63 Great White Snark

Open question i touched on earlier-Who if anyone has worried you more as a presidential candidate than Donald Trump? Anyone? Pat Buchanan maybe. Pat Robertson maybe? IIRC even they had a far more reserved rhetoric.

I don’t have an answer for you. Robertson was never in danger of getting nominated despite winning 3 relatively low turnout primaries in 1988. Buchanan’s “boom” consisted of finishing in second place in New Hampshire with 37.54% of the vote. He never did that well again for the rest of the primaries. Even his famous “Culture War” speech (skip ahead to the 5:00 mark) at the 1992 convention seems somewhat tame today.

It’s a fact that nobody has cast a single vote for Trump to date. However, should he win an important contest he will have already exceeded the two Pats and be in a league of his own in terms of being a legitimate source of worry.

Edit: I should correct myself, Buchanan actually DID manage to win a few states in 1996.

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Amory Blaine  Aug 25, 2015 • 9:47:49pm

re: #65 Amory Blaine

sendthempacking • 4 hours ago
We would have plenty of volunteers to round up these maggots. I, for one, would do it for free.
7 • Reply•Share >

another_engineer pragprogessive • 4 hours ago
No schit for brains, it’s called “truth”.

They’re not coming here for the fabulous fajitas.. they’re coming here for welfare. Mexico doesn’t want ‘em and they’re sending them north and then call us “racist” for wanting them to go home.
4 • Reply•Share >

On and on..

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Amory Blaine  Aug 25, 2015 • 9:52:10pm

Democrats can’t kick Trump out of the Republican party. They have to take personal responsibility for themselves or there will be blood on their hands.

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Teukka  Aug 25, 2015 • 9:52:13pm

re: #65 Amory Blaine

Yikes. Comment at The Hill

guest EscoAl • 23 minutes ago
Don’t be angry just go back to own county you pile of lying fecal material. Trump will hunt your ilk down, we’ll put a bounty on you and hunt you down like a dog. Then you and your disgusting taco truck can sell your tacos in tijuana, where you belong.

re: #71 Amory Blaine

sendthempacking • 4 hours ago
We would have plenty of volunteers to round up these maggots. I, for one, would do it for free.
7 • Reply•Share >

another_engineer pragprogessive • 4 hours ago
No schit for brains, it’s called “truth”.

They’re not coming here for the fabulous fajitas.. they’re coming here for welfare. Mexico doesn’t want ‘em and they’re sending them north and then call us “racist” for wanting them to go home.
4 • Reply•Share >

On and on..

Oh my…
All this on thehill.com?

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Aunty Entity Dragon  Aug 25, 2015 • 9:59:35pm

re: #73 Teukka

Oh my…
All this on thehill.com?

I can see why The Daily Beast killed off their comment section this week.

This is fucking insanity.

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KiTA  Aug 25, 2015 • 10:06:38pm

re: #74 Aunty Entity Dragon

The dam has broken, the racist right feels they have the advantage and that the few sane republicans will have to bow to their lead.

I wonder if anyone will pick this up and run with it. John Oliver? Rachel Maddow? Are you watching? A half hour dramatic reading of these comments on TV would do more to help America than a lot of other uses of that time.

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Varek Raith  Aug 25, 2015 • 10:06:44pm

re: #73 Teukka

Good gravy.

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teleskiguy  Aug 25, 2015 • 10:10:53pm

re: #64 teleskiguy

I remember when Andrew Breitbart was still alive. He’d spend two hours just retweeting all the mean things Twitter users said about him, and he did that shit three or four times a week. For such a tough motherfucker he sure came off as weak when he did that.

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Amory Blaine  Aug 25, 2015 • 10:13:23pm

He wasn’t a tough motherfucker, he was a coddled man child and the world is better off now.

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goddamnedfrank  Aug 25, 2015 • 10:16:09pm

re: #70 bratwurst

I don’t have an answer for you. Robertson was never in danger of getting nominated despite winning 3 relatively low turnout primaries in 1988. Buchanan’s “boom” consisted of finishing in second place in New Hampshire with 37.54% of the vote. He never did that well again for the rest of the primaries. Even his famous “Culture War” speech (skip ahead to the 5:00 mark) at the 1992 convention seems somewhat tame today.

It’s a fact that nobody has cast a single vote for Trump to date. However, should he win an important contest he will have already exceeded the two Pats and be in a league of his own in terms of being a legitimate source of worry.

Edit: I should correct myself, Buchanan actually DID manage to win a few states in 1996.

Buchanan was far more crypto about his Nazi leanings in 1996 than Trump has been this year. Trump is literally bending the arc of the GOP towards open fascism. The establishment Republicans are about to lose the party, possibly forever.

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Amory Blaine  Aug 25, 2015 • 10:24:37pm

Teacher ranks shrink, skew white and less experienced in report

Over a five-year period that included the near-elimination of collective bargaining in Wisconsin’s public schools, the teacher workforce in metro Milwaukee is smaller, less experienced and still largely white, according to a new report.

The metro region also lost 700 teachers during that time, but that trend was most pronounced in Milwaukee Public Schools, which lost a total of 730, the report said.

Those are the key takeaways of a teacher workforce analysis to be published Wednesday by the Public Policy Forum. The report surveys key characteristics of public school teachers in the 53 school districts within Milwaukee, Waukesha, Ozaukee and Washington counties, between the years of 2009-‘10 and 2013-‘14, the most recent year available.

“This is giving us a valuable pre-Act 10 and post-Act 10 snapshot,” said Rob Henken, president of the Public Policy Forum.

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freetoken  Aug 25, 2015 • 10:29:59pm
Donald Trump has unleashed a horrible hidden world of hatred.

Not that hidden. These things were always said where people thought they were safe from scrutiny.

Alas, our modern technology lets everyone have a soapbox to spew their stuff to millions.

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BeachDem  Aug 25, 2015 • 10:32:56pm

re: #27 Reality Based Steve

From Sinclair Lewis’ “It Can’t Happen Here”

From It Can’t Happen Here: “But he saw too that in America the struggle was befogged by the fact that the worst Fascists were they who disowned the word ‘Fascism’ and preached enslavement to Capitalism under the style of Constitutional and Traditional Native American Liberty.”

It’s often (but incorrectly) phrased as “When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross.”

This is exactly what we are seeing, crony capitalism combined with the most malignant forms of religious puritanicalism. Between the Dominionists, the Nativists and the unreconstructed Neo-Confederates this is not a happy time for America.

I’ve been shot at for this Country, I’ve gone to too many damn memorial services for friends that have died in it’s service. This can’t be the country I love.

Damn it them all to hell. (edited to show who my anger is at, not the country, but the cancer within it.)

RBS

I’m not just an entertainer. I’m an influence, a wielder of opinion, a force… a force!

This whole country’s just like my flock of sheep!…
Rednecks, crackers, hillbillies, hausfraus, shut-ins, pea-pickers - everybody that’s got to jump when somebody else blows the whistle… They’re mine! I own ‘em! They think like I do. Only they’re even more stupid than I am, so I gotta think for ‘em.

Those morons out there? Shucks, I could take chicken fertilizer and sell it to them as caviar. I could make them eat dog food and think it was steak. Sure, I got ‘em like this… You know what the public’s like? A cage of Guinea Pigs. Good Night you stupid idiots. Good Night, you miserable slobs. They’re a lot of trained seals. I toss them a dead fish and they’ll flap their flippers.

Donald Trump? Nope. Lonesome Rhodes.

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William Lewis  Aug 25, 2015 • 10:35:14pm

re: #80 Amory Blaine

IOW the governor’s plan to destroy public education is working as planned.

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teleskiguy  Aug 25, 2015 • 10:35:58pm

re: #75 KiTA

Just putting it out there, seeing as how I feel pretty strongly about it.

KiTA, your opinion here is shit. It’s a farce. You’re a not-very-good human being and you hate women. Fact is you are a Men’s Rights Activist and GamerGate advocate, and to me that makes you a festering pimple in this community. This is a fact.

I’m not saying anything to your piddly ass anymore. I’m downdinging, no matter how pertinent or interesting your posts.

You’ve incurred my ugliest wrath here. Hope you’re proud of yourself, asshole.

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goddamnedfrank  Aug 25, 2015 • 10:36:17pm

Apparently racism is like when Bruce Banner transforms into the Hulk or something.

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RadicalModerate  Aug 25, 2015 • 10:37:03pm

re: #70 bratwurst

It’s a fact that nobody has cast a single vote for Trump to date. However, should he win an important contest he will have already exceeded the two Pats and be in a league of his own in terms of being a legitimate source of worry.

Edit: I should correct myself, Buchanan actually DID manage to win a few states in 1996.

What is really worth mentioning is that Trump is modeling a great deal of his campaign after that of Buchanan.

New York Magazine had an article about the similarities a few days ago - here’s the writeup:

Trump Is the Republicans’ Nightmare and They Won’t Wake Up From It

When Donald Trump initially rocketed to the top of national Republican polls, it was fashionable to compare him to Herman Cain, Michele Bachmann, and Newt Gingrich — a flamboyant media personality, briefly capturing the spotlight, but doomed to immolate. But Trump is not running a race like those other candidates, nor is he mimicking their results. Instead, he is following the pattern more like a candidate from an earlier cycle: Pat Buchanan.

They hammer the point home with this on-point comparison with Buchanan’s 1996 run for the White House:

It was during his second run that Buchanan fully developed the ideological persona he has maintained since: a populist, paleoconservative. Buchanan was anti-immigration, anti-free trade, isolationist on foreign policy, and a defender of cultural traditionalism.

Sound familiar?

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teleskiguy  Aug 25, 2015 • 10:37:50pm

KiTA really pissed me off tonight. What a fucking douche-bag.

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Amory Blaine  Aug 25, 2015 • 10:38:42pm

Ooooh. New Bob and Chez show with our gracious host is available.

:)

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Aug 25, 2015 • 10:42:55pm

G’night, Lizards.

I’m hoping open minds maybe learned something. I’m hoping too minds were actually open.

mr. klys is feeling under the weather, so off to try and improve his mood some.

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goddamnedfrank  Aug 25, 2015 • 10:47:26pm

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teleskiguy  Aug 25, 2015 • 10:57:33pm

re: #90 goddamnedfrank

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goddamnedfrank  Aug 25, 2015 • 10:59:07pm

Every few days I go into Tweetdeck and preemptively block everyone who’s clicked on Chuck’s plea for reinstatement. It’s like changing out the HVAC filters, makes for a much better local environment.

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Amory Blaine  Aug 25, 2015 • 11:03:51pm

re: #92 goddamnedfrank

An ounce of prevention!

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teleskiguy  Aug 25, 2015 • 11:04:05pm

re: #90 goddamnedfrank

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teleskiguy  Aug 25, 2015 • 11:13:35pm

MP3 Audio

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Amory Blaine  Aug 25, 2015 • 11:15:34pm

Cool interview Charles. I could listen to you for the whole hour.

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KiTA  Aug 25, 2015 • 11:19:53pm

A little bit of happier stuff: The new Dragon Quest spinoff, Dragon Quest Builders. The music is still amazing.

Dragon Quest Builders - First Gameplay

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PeterWolf  Aug 25, 2015 • 11:23:49pm

Trump loves to talk about his wealth, his success. And indeed, he attempts to foist these ‘qualities’ as reasons he should be president. Now, if wealth should be considered as qualifying one for the presidency, perhaps it should be pointed out that Carlos Slim, that Mexican fellow, is far more qualified than Trump. Slim, is at number 2 on the world’s rich list with a net worth of somewhere around $77 Billion. Meanwhile Trump, with a net worth of around $4 Billion, is at number 405 on the same list. Trump’s wealth is like a rounding error to Slim.

The world is laughing at Trump and the Republican party. Still, I suppose Trump could be called a job creator, he’s sure keeping a lot of comedians in a job.

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Amory Blaine  Aug 25, 2015 • 11:38:06pm

Toxic algae brewing in western Lake Erie; 6 other sites in WNY

Great Lakes forecasters are projecting the toxic green slime that’s invading western Lake Erie again this year could end up as the second worst in history.

Fueled by considerably above-average rainfall across phosphorous-rich Ohio and Indiana farm fields this summer and warm lake water temperatures, the hazardous algal blooms are wreaking havoc on the western end of the lake and shoreline communities between Toledo and Sandusky.

Officials in Toledo — where toxic algae inundated the city’s water system last August — are keeping close tabs on the community’s drinking water supplies, the Toledo Blade reported Monday. No detectable toxins in treated drinking water have been found this year, the report stated.

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Amory Blaine  Aug 25, 2015 • 11:51:19pm

Waukesha Plan for Lake Michigan Water Raises Worries

WAUKESHA, Wis. — This city, once famous for its bubbling natural springs, sits about 17 miles from the shore of Lake Michigan. So when the state and federal authorities began demanding that the city address a growing contamination problem in its aquifer, the answer seemed simple: Get water from the big lake.

Surely, city leaders imagined, the needs of Waukesha, with a population just over 70,000, would be but a drop from the gigantic Great Lakes bucket, which amounts to one-fifth of the earth’s fresh surface water. That little drop, however, has stirred up a colossal struggle.

Waukesha has run smack into a landmark 2008 compact that prohibits large amounts of water from the five Great Lakes from being pumped, trucked, shipped or otherwise moved beyond the system’s natural basin without approval from the governors of each of the eight states that touch a lake — unless it is in a product like beer or soft drinks. Waukesha, despite being so close to Lake Michigan, is about a mile and a half outside the lake’s natural basin.

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The War TARDIS  Aug 25, 2015 • 11:55:54pm

re: #100 Amory Blaine

Waukesha has been ground zero for electoral funny business in Wisconsin, and die hard right-wing.

They want small government, they can have it. According to their own rules, a water pipe is big government. They can go drink their contaminated water, and get nothing.

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Amory Blaine  Aug 26, 2015 • 12:38:02am

Pioneering surgery gives man world’s first ‘bionic’ penis

When Edinburgh, Scotland resident Mohammed Abad was six years old, he was involved in a horrific car accident. He was struck by a vehicle and then dragged nearly 600 feet (180 meters), tearing his tallywhacker (and left testicle) clean off. But thanks to advances in modern medicine, and a dedicated team at the University of London, Abad will soon have a bionic penis that puts Steve Austin’s junk to shame.

The University of London team has spent more than three years crafting a new, 8-inch wang out of skin grafts culled from Abad’s forearm and becomes erect by mechanically pumping fluid into it. This pump is activated by a button located near his remaining testicle. “When you want a bit of action you press the ‘on’ button,” Abad told The Sun. “When you are finished you press another button. It takes seconds. Doctors have told me to keep practising.” He’d already undergone two surgeries before the recent 11-hour marathon installation surgery. Doctors on the team report that the prosthesis should be sufficient for Abad to start a family, if he so chooses.

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Amory Blaine  Aug 26, 2015 • 12:43:37am

Driverless Construction Zone Truck Due to Hit the Road This Year

The first driverless vehicle to hit U.S. highways is going to be a truck, not a car. And it should begin rolling around construction sites in Florida later this year.

Developed by Royal Truck & Equipment, a specialty vehicle manufacturer based near Bethlehem, Pennsylvania, the trucks will be fitted with special devices, called attenuators, designed to protect workers as well as motorists trying to navigate through temporary work zones.

While other companies, including Google, are developing driverless cars, their tests so far have been conducted with a driver in the car, ready to take control of the vehicle in the event of an emergency. Royal will be the first to test its vehicle without an operator in the cab.

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EPR-radar  Aug 26, 2015 • 1:22:04am

re: #86 RadicalModerate

What is really worth mentioning is that Trump is modeling a great deal of his campaign after that of Buchanan.

New York Magazine had an article about the similarities a few days ago - here’s the writeup:

Trump Is the Republicans’ Nightmare and They Won’t Wake Up From It

They hammer the point home with this on-point comparison with Buchanan’s 1996 run for the White House:

Sound familiar?

I’ve mentioned this several times before, but despite being generally very conservative and fond of Republicans, my grandfather didn’t like Pat Buchanan at all.

He thought Buchanan talked like a Nazi.

This is worth taking seriously because Grandpa emigrated from Germany to the US because of Hitler’s rising power in Weimar Germany.

As indicated up-thread, the point of Godwin’s Law is to reserve the Nazi analogies for times when a repeat of that kind of history is a genuine threat, and that time is now.

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Nyet  Aug 26, 2015 • 2:13:53am

re: #22 WhatEVs

I also think the Godwining for the sake of it (OBAMA IS JUST LIKE HITLER!!11!!! Really, why? SHUTUP!!!11!!!) is different then looking at what Trump, et al, are actually doing.

Absolutely. That is IMHO the right approach - evaluate first, dismiss if warranted (instead of “dismiss first”).

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Nyet  Aug 26, 2015 • 2:16:53am

re: #27 Reality Based Steve

This is exactly what we are seeing, crony capitalism combined with the most malignant forms of religious puritanicalism.

IOW, Putin’s Russia,

Don’t let it happen to you.

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Nyet  Aug 26, 2015 • 2:26:28am

Ruble still in free fall, seems like Dow too.

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KiTA  Aug 26, 2015 • 2:39:40am

It looks like they’re not letting Trump go unnoticed this time.

Image: sR2C7to.png

Univision anchor ejected from Trump news conference

Trump calls Fox’s Kelly ‘bimbo’ (Looks like they changed the headline after publishing.)
(Edit: Warning, autoplaying audio/video, and it’s, ugh, Trump…)

So, thoughts? Has he effectively torpedoed his own run, or could he win the nomination? I don’t see him winning the white house having offended pretty much everyone not the rabid GOP base.

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Amory Blaine  Aug 26, 2015 • 2:46:06am

I see Trump as a figure that is consolidating various RWNJ groups into a frothing rage machine that will be useful to the less *ahem offensive candidate that will emerge as the nominee. Conservatives need their rage-base but want to keep their distance from the objectionable heavy work needed. Trump will not be the nominee.

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Nyet  Aug 26, 2015 • 2:47:39am

This is almost like a false flag operation to make the rest of the GOP candidates look moderate.

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KiTA  Aug 26, 2015 • 2:48:28am

re: #110 Nyet

This is almost like a false flag operation to make the rest of the GOP candidates look moderate.

They do keep harping on that Trump is supposedly a Hillary supporter in secret. Not sure, but I imagine that’s died back since he’s went after minorities.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Aug 26, 2015 • 2:50:12am

re: #104 EPR-radar

<snip>

As indicated up-thread, the point of Godwin’s Law is to reserve the Nazi analogies for times when a repeat of that kind of history is a genuine threat, and that time is now.

I think a lot of people have Godwin’s Law wrong. Maybe they’re telescoping it with Scopie’s Law: “Anybody linking to whale.to automatically loses the argument.”

Godwin’s Law is nothing like that. It just consists of the observation that the longer any internet discussion goes on, the closer the probability that someone will invoke Hitler approaches unity.

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Nyet  Aug 26, 2015 • 2:50:50am

re: #112 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

Yes, it’s descriptive, not prescriptive.

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Nyet  Aug 26, 2015 • 2:55:31am

I’m thinking. If it does come down to Clinton v. Trump, will the “older”, (now) “moderate” GOP establishment like GWB, Rove, Luntz have a fit of conscience and have their “vote for the Demoncrat, it’s important” moment? Or is it just too much to expect from them? On some level they should understand that Trump would likely ruin the US. Will it be “party over country” until it’s too late?

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Amory Blaine  Aug 26, 2015 • 3:02:24am

In order for Trump to be the nominee he has to keep the rage at just below boil for the next 15 months to keep the base happy while bringing more people on board his naked aggression train.

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Nyet  Aug 26, 2015 • 3:04:01am

As much as the prospect of a Palin presidency was horrifying, Trump is all that + smart (in the cynical, dirty, “street” sense of “smart”).

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goddamnedfrank  Aug 26, 2015 • 3:07:16am

re: #114 Nyet

I’m thinking. If it does come down to Clinton v. Trump, will the “older”, (now) “moderate” GOP establishment like GWB have a fit of conscience and have their “vote for the Demoncrat, it’s important” moment? Or is it just too much to expect from them? On some level they should understand that Trump would likely ruin the US. Will it be “party over country” until it’s too late?

If it comes to that they’ll probably sit it out refusing to endorse or campaign for either. For one thing Bush backing Clinton might actually damage her, fueling conspiracy theories and turning off independents that might otherwise be horrified enough by Trump to hold their noses and back Hillary. Other establishment GOP types might openly attempt to tear Donald down, but the real damage will come from their simply refusing to endorse, campaign with or fundraise for him. His organization has no ground game experience and the big money donors might well boycott him, seeing little chance of any return on investment.

In any event no matter how overt their opposition to Trump as nominee plays out it will rip the Republican Party apart. The base will see it as abject betrayal and the GOP civil war will reverberate, inflicting damage down the entire ticket. With eleven months left to go before the convention he’s leaving nothing but scorched earth and polarized opinion in his wake.

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KiTA  Aug 26, 2015 • 3:14:12am

The official Reddit Facebook account just shared this, kinda interesting:

Enjoy eating on $4 a day

“Good And Cheap: Eat Well on $4/Day,” (Workman Publishing, $16.95) has the distinction of being a cookbook meant for people who may not be able to afford a cookbook. So for each book purchased, one is given to someone in need. A partnership with Access Wireless helps get the book in the hands of low-income individuals nationwide while non-profit organizations that purchase books to distribute to clients receive a discount on bulk orders. The original project is still available as a free downloadable PDF at leannebrown.com.

I know a major part of my health problems are a result of eating quick and cheap meals rather than cooking healthy stuff, her book covers stuff like how to make stock and broth, keeping eggs in stock, how to stock a pantry, etc etc.

There’s also this imgur link that got passed around Reddit not terribly long ago, which covers some no-duh sorta things — Rice or Rice/Egg Noodles instead of Ramen, Tea instead of Soda, proper use of spices, etc etc.

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Nyet  Aug 26, 2015 • 3:29:52am

Awesome fox family from Kamchatka.

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saschasid.livejournal.com

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Nojay UK  Aug 26, 2015 • 3:35:00am

re: #53 Feline Fearless Leader

Charlie Stross has written a couple of other stories with a similar flavour to “A Colder War”. You can read his novella Missile Gap for free at the Subterranean Press website — Cold War shenanigans, Carl Sagan, a nuclear-powered ekranoplan and an Alderson Disc inhabited by unfathomable entities.

As for the Laundry series, it’s getting darker and less comic as the story progresses further into CASE NIGHTMARE GREEN.

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Amory Blaine  Aug 26, 2015 • 4:20:42am

Here is government creating jobs.
Oshkosh wins contract worth up to $30 billion to build Humvee replacements

The U.S. Army has awarded Oshkosh Corp. a contract that could be worth up to $30 billion and provide years of work to thousands of Wisconsin employees building a new type of armored truck in Oshkosh.

The Army plans to buy up to 50,000 of the vehicles, at a cost of about $250,000 each, while the Marine Corps would purchase 5,500. In addition, there could be years worth of parts and services for the multipurpose vehicles, which are meant to replace thousands of military Humvees.

Defense industry analysts say it’s the largest military vehicle contract in the foreseeable future, and the competition for it was intense.

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Doofus  Aug 26, 2015 • 4:26:30am

Green Jelly - Three Little Pigs

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William Lewis  Aug 26, 2015 • 4:27:42am

Hopefully it’s a better vehicle than that pos hmwv is. Doubt it though, the further away they get from the classic 1/4 ton jeep, the less useful the vehicles are.

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William Lewis  Aug 26, 2015 • 4:28:29am

Dang phone double post.

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Amory Blaine  Aug 26, 2015 • 4:29:44am

re: #123 William Lewis

I will wait with bated breath for Walker and Johnson to extol their small government bona fides and reject this big government boondoggle post haste.

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Aug 26, 2015 • 4:33:04am

re: #27 Reality Based Steve

It’s often (but incorrectly) phrased as “When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross.”

When fascism comes to America, it will be wearing a dead animal on his head.

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Romantic Heretic  Aug 26, 2015 • 4:34:05am

re: #5 Charles Johnson

Notice that the Breitbart commenters are actually screaming for 30 MILLION PEOPLE to be deported.

30 million people.

In my opinion, what they’re really saying is, “They want 30 million people dead.” It’s just that people like Shicklegruber and Dugashvili have made saying such things unfashionable.

But it won’t be long before they start saying so. Trump is their Leader and he is giving them permission to be utter dicks to the rest of humanity.

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Romantic Heretic  Aug 26, 2015 • 4:35:51am

re: #14 Nyet

As I mentioned earlier:

The old rule was: the one mentioning Hitler/Nazis loses the debate.

The new rule is: the one trying to apply the old rule loses the debate.

Because if you can’t use historical analogies, it’s akin to forgetting, and the one who forgets history is doomed to repeat it.

And those of us who do remember history are doomed to watch those who forgot it repeat it.

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Nyet  Aug 26, 2015 • 4:38:33am

re: #127 Romantic Heretic

In my opinion, what they’re really saying is, “They want 30 million people dead.” It’s just that people like Shicklegruber and Dugashvili have made saying such things unfashionable.

I suppose you mean Hitler, rather than Hitler’s father who, unlike his son, once bore the name “Schicklgruber”.

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TimJ  Aug 26, 2015 • 4:39:37am

re: #1 HappyWarrior

Hi Happy. From the clip I heard this morning of what happened after the clip above cut off, there were several reporters who raised the issue of Ramos getting the boot. Now, if they had any real credibility they’d have walked out en masse.

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Aug 26, 2015 • 4:44:22am

re: #118 KiTA

The official Reddit Facebook account just shared this, kinda interesting:

Enjoy eating on $4 a day

I know a major part of my health problems are a result of eating quick and cheap meals rather than cooking healthy stuff

Even more difficult when you are cooking/eating alone, it takes a bit pf personal discipline to keep up a healthy diet.

I remember seeing some frozen paella and thinking, “Wow, this should be healthy: chicken, seafood, vegetables and rice…”

Then looked at the ingredients and found that one serving was around 25% of the RDA for sodium…

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Amory Blaine  Aug 26, 2015 • 4:45:37am

Ted Cruz looks like a demented real life Howdy Doody in this pic.

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KiTA  Aug 26, 2015 • 4:49:28am

re: #131 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

The one that gets me is sugar, because for some reason instead of the RDA, they’re allowed to put the grams.

“Oh, this only has 30 grams of sugar, that’s almost nothing, I can eat 2 servings of it.”

Turns out that’s over 100% of the RDA in a single serving of a single ingredient.

I really should start growing Stevia again but I couldn’t get used to the licorice aftertaste.

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Jayleia  Aug 26, 2015 • 5:03:27am

re: #118 KiTA

There’s a lot that can be done on the cheap. Have to watch some ingredients though, they can be surprisingly high in sodium or bad fats.

They even have some truly HUGE bodybuilders able to get huge on a shockingly small budget. bodybuilding.com

I could eat half that much and still gain weight.

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KiTA  Aug 26, 2015 • 5:04:54am

‘Patriotic’ White Supremacist Kills Three ‘Goddamn Jews’ For ‘Moral Reasons’

When the jury returned, Miller told them: “My actions that day were well-intentioned. I had good, moral reasons for what I did and good intentions in my heart.”

Miller said he was trying to stop “genocide” that Jews commit against the white race and called the murder victims casualties of war. “During war, innocent people get killed,” he said.

Miller told jurors to not give in to “peer pressure” and “political correctness” and to be “brave, courageous and patriotic.”

“Let your conscience be your guide,” Miller told the jury. “I’m confident you will find me innocent.”

I want to make a joke about Trump having found his running mate but given how those guys on TheHill were reacting to him yesterday, I’m not sure it’d be funny anymore.

We have an open and proud racist and sexist bigot as the forerunner for one of our two major political parties. Even though he’s likely not going to get in it’s still horrific — just who are they going to run in 2020 to top him?

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Nyet  Aug 26, 2015 • 5:18:58am

Looking at Glenn’s site now. All in confederate rags, of course.

Retired U.S. Army Master Sergeant. 20 years active duty, with 2 tours in Vietnam and 13 years in the elite Green Beret paratroops. 3 and 1/2 years college - Johnston Tech College, Smithfield, NC. Married w/5 children. 43 years actively working for rights of White people.

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Dr. Matt  Aug 26, 2015 • 5:23:06am

Nailed it.

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Dr. Matt  Aug 26, 2015 • 5:28:48am

re: #136 Nyet

Yeah, us White Americans have a loooong history of being oppressed in America. I almost got a blister on my foot because I had to park and walk into starbucks this morning because the drive-thru was too long.

//

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Nyet  Aug 26, 2015 • 5:30:52am

re: #138 Dr. Matt

Apparently shooting 3 white people was his way of defending them.

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KiTA  Aug 26, 2015 • 5:30:55am

philosophyexperiments.com

Fascinating. It’s a quick 30 question quiz that shows cognitive dissonances. I have 3, revolving around discrimination, justified homicide, and art.

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The Vicious Babushka  Aug 26, 2015 • 5:33:03am

re: #136 Nyet

Looking at Glenn’s site now. All in confederate rags, of course.

Beck or Greenwald?

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Dr. Matt  Aug 26, 2015 • 5:33:24am

Ugh…..waaaay too damned young…..

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Nyet  Aug 26, 2015 • 5:33:51am

“The second world war was a just war.”

Um, what? That’s not a well-thought-out test.

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Iwouldprefernotto  Aug 26, 2015 • 5:33:51am

We have a fan.

Scientist Discovers New Crayfish Species, Names It After Edward Snowden

From Slate

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Nyet  Aug 26, 2015 • 5:34:02am

re: #141 The Vicious Babushka

Miller.

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Timothy Watson  Aug 26, 2015 • 5:36:48am

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The Vicious Babushka  Aug 26, 2015 • 5:37:39am

[parody account]

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The Vicious Babushka  Aug 26, 2015 • 5:39:40am

Last night it was “every 93 seconds” but they amplified that dog whistle

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lawhawk  Aug 26, 2015 • 5:39:43am

This is GOP outreach - to nativists, white supremacists, misogynists, racists, and bigots.

Everyone else? They can go pound sand for all the GOP cares. We’re seeing this all over the place, and it’s not just at the national level. The GOP pushes these scare tactics at all levels, and breeds fear and hate, which as we all know inevitably brings suffering. Yeah, Yoda had the GOP pegged too.

So, while prospects to keep the White House in Democrat hands is pretty good, the same can’t be said for Congress and many state and local races. The GOTV efforts need to be redoubled, and the down ticket Democrats need support to combat the deluge of hate and racism.

Trump’s actions are only the most visible and brash, but they symbolize much of what’s wrong with the GOP, as many of the other candidates have identical positions, and the only difference is how crafty they are in tempering their messages.

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Nyet  Aug 26, 2015 • 5:40:40am

This seems like a “test” by some philosophy amateur.

Statements 1 and 27: Is morality relative?

49% of the people who have completed this activity have this tension in their beliefs.

You agreed that:
There are no objective moral standards; moral judgements are merely an expression of the values of particular cultures
And also that:
Acts of genocide stand as a testament to man’s ability to do great evil

The tension between these two beliefs is that, on the one hand, you are saying that morality is just a matter of culture and convention, but on the other, you are prepared to condemn acts of genocide as ‘evil’. But what does it mean to say ‘genocide is evil’? To reconcile the tension, you could say that all you mean is that to say ‘genocide is evil’ is to express the values of your particular culture. It does not mean that genocide is evil for all cultures and for all times. However, are you really happy to say, for example, that the massacre of the Tutsi people in 1994 by the Hutu dominated Rwandan Army was evil from the point of view of your culture but not evil from the point of view of the Rwandan Army, and what is more, that there is no sense in which one moral judgement is superior to the other? If moral judgements really are ‘merely the expression of the values of a particular culture’, then how are the values which reject genocide and torture at all superior to those which don ot?

Morality is a matter of opinion, in my opinion genocide is evil, where is the tension?

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The Vicious Babushka  Aug 26, 2015 • 5:47:28am

STUPIDEST AYN RAND MEME EVER==>
WTF does this even mean?

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KiTA  Aug 26, 2015 • 5:48:30am

re: #151 The Vicious Babushka

Can’t 99% of her quotes be summed up as “FYGM?”

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Nyet  Aug 26, 2015 • 5:49:06am

Sure, you can’t prove a moral statement to a person that doesn’t share your moral assumptions in the first place. It doesn’t mean you yourself can’t make statements about morality.

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Lancelot Link  Aug 26, 2015 • 5:54:22am

re: #135 KiTA

I want to make a joke about Trump having found his running mate but given how those guys on TheHill were reacting to him yesterday, I’m not sure it’d be funny anymore.

That guy was more of a Ron Paul supporter, anyway.

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KiTA  Aug 26, 2015 • 5:56:43am

re: #150 Nyet

You state that morality is not objective, that it is relative to a culture.

You also state that genocide is always evil.

But if a culture finds genocide to be justified, to them, then they don’t find it evil.

But if genocide is always evil, then it’s objectively immoral. It’s not possible for morality to be always relative but also some things, like genocide, to be objectively immoral.

If I understand it, that’s the dissonance.

I was flagged in a few other ways… Is killing always wrong; is positive discrimination justified; how do we judge art?

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Dr. Matt  Aug 26, 2015 • 5:59:42am

THE APOLOGY TOUR CONTINUES!!

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Aug 26, 2015 • 6:02:01am

re: #150 Nyet

This seems like a “test” by some philosophy amateur.

Morality is a matter of opinion, in my opinion genocide is evil, where is the tension?

They pipped me on the same thing. Then there are these two:

People should not journey by car if they can walk, cycle or take a train instead.

The environment should not be damaged unnecessarily in the pursuit of human ends.

I disagreed with the first and agreed with the second. Sure, I should walk, cycle, or take a train (not an option—maybe they mean “bus”?) more often—I’d be the last to deny that, but a lot of people maybe could, physically, do these things but aren’t really up to it, don’t have the time, etc., etc. For better or worse, we live in a technological society. I’m more than ready for an electric car, believe me, but I can’t really afford one.

I just can’t see this as a philosophical contradiction as much as a matter of emphasis.

Then they said (I don’t want to go back through again so I’ll paraphrase)—that my wanting people to be judged on their merits but also allowing for affirmative action* was a contradiction. I disagree there, too.

Whoever designed this test is a gomer.

*Not even that—they talked about compensating for wrongs against that individual in the past.

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Nyet  Aug 26, 2015 • 6:03:05am

re: #155 KiTA

There is no dissonance whatsoever. If I say that the notion of objective morality is incoherent and morality is always mind-relative, then when I say that genocide is always evil, I express my subjective judgment: genocide is always evil for me.

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lawhawk  Aug 26, 2015 • 6:07:34am

Reset the clock:

Two dead in active shooter situation in Virginia.

The two people who were killed were a reporter and photographer:

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Nyet  Aug 26, 2015 • 6:07:38am

I reject the notion of objectively good taste when it comes to food (even while I accept that our tastes are not random, and are based not only on our environment, but also physiology, hence some basic homogeneity, “common ground”, is to be expected).

Does it mean I can’t say “casu marzu is fucking horrible”? Obviously, I don’t claim that it is “objectively” horrible. The principles of taste don’t grow on aetheric trees in some 5th dimension. And I understand very well that there are many people who find it delicious. There is no tension between acknowledging non-objectivity of my taste and making a judgment.

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KiTA  Aug 26, 2015 • 6:07:53am

Shots fired at news crew in Virginia during live report (Tragic update)

It appears that the cameraman fell and got a solid shot of the gunman.

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KiTA  Aug 26, 2015 • 6:10:43am

Pictures of the victims:

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makeitstop  Aug 26, 2015 • 6:10:50am

re: #159 lawhawk

Reset the clock:

[Embedded content]

What the fuck?

I can’t even keep up with the barbarity in this country any more.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Aug 26, 2015 • 6:13:41am

Fucking shit!

Well, maybe if shooting 20-some school children wasn’t enough to make some people think, maybe shooting a reporter and cameraman right on their television machine in front of their goddamn faces will bring the point home a little better </pollyanna>

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lawhawk  Aug 26, 2015 • 6:14:07am

re: #163 makeitstop

Hey, I’m ready to talk about firearms now that years have passed since Columbine. I know that Sandy Hook might be too raw for some.

Oh, you mean that the NRA thinks that the solution is still more firearms? Really? Except that they thwart efforts to make sure that only the good guys have the guns? Super.

Outstanding job NRA. It’s little wonder that firearms fatalities are highest where gun laws are at their most lax (on per capita basis). Not just homicides, but accidental killings and suicides too.

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KiTA  Aug 26, 2015 • 6:14:14am

What in the world would drive someone to just rush up to a reporter and cameraman and gun them down?

Oh god, DailyKos has the video, I didn’t see it until I turned off Adblock.

Edit: I almost linked it, but uh, that might be in poor taste?

Edit: Hearing on twitter that there were a total of 5 victims?

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The Vicious Babushka  Aug 26, 2015 • 6:17:13am

No Ben, the left target Josh Duggar because he’s a sister-raping cheating hypocrite

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WhatEVs  Aug 26, 2015 • 6:17:59am

re: #104 EPR-radar

re: #105 Nyet

Absolutely. That is IMHO the right approach - evaluate first, dismiss if warranted (instead of “dismiss first”).

Here’s the issue (regarding Godwin); is there anything that could come from making comparisons now? Have years of OBAMA IS JUST LIKE HITLER!! taken the concept of Just Like Hitler and completely negated any meaning?

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Timothy Watson  Aug 26, 2015 • 6:18:38am

re: #167 The Vicious Babushka

No Ben, the left target Josh Duggar because he’s a sister-raping cheating hypocrite

[Embedded content]

Coming from the same asshole who was making fun of Carter because he has brain cancer.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Aug 26, 2015 • 6:18:55am

Well, the guy’s white, so obviously he’s a mentally-disturbed lone wolf. This is all nobody’s fault, nothing to see here….

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#CampaignZero  Aug 26, 2015 • 6:19:07am

When I was a kid my Dad would take us to Smith Mountain Lake. So bizarre hearing that name again. :(

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lawhawk  Aug 26, 2015 • 6:20:56am

re: #167 The Vicious Babushka

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Great White Snark  Aug 26, 2015 • 6:20:58am

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Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Aug 26, 2015 • 6:21:09am

re: #167 The Vicious Babushka

The left don’t target Josh Duggar because he’s a garbage fire. They target him because he advocated Christian values.

This is Dim Jim level dimness.

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Iwouldprefernotto  Aug 26, 2015 • 6:21:56am

i HATE jOSH DUGGAR BECAUSE HE USED HIS FAME IN AN ATTEMPT TO TAKE RIGHTS AWAY FROM SOME OF MY FELLOW CITIZENS.

My caps lock was on for a work project, but it seems to make sense in this case.

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Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Aug 26, 2015 • 6:23:51am

re: #148 The Vicious Babushka

Census: #IllegalAlien Anchor Baby Delivered Every 88 Seconds t.co via @BreitbartNews

Oh, via Breitbart News? Confirmed, FACT, then.
///

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lawhawk  Aug 26, 2015 • 6:24:13am

Oh like other journalists (or “journalists”) don’t take selfies with politicians or famous people? Seriously?

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Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Aug 26, 2015 • 6:24:41am

re: #159 lawhawk

Breaking: Reporter Alison Parker and photographer Adam Ward shot and killed as they reported live this morning. Shooter on the loose.

Terrible. Just awful.

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lawhawk  Aug 26, 2015 • 6:25:13am

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Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Aug 26, 2015 • 6:26:09am

re: #167 The Vicious Babushka

No Ben, the left target Josh Duggar because he’s a sister-raping cheating hypocrite

Wasn’t Duggar’s brother in law giving Duggar grief on Facebook about his adultery? I imagine the BIL is a certified Leftist for sure.

/

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Amory Blaine  Aug 26, 2015 • 6:26:12am

re: #160 Nyet

:)

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Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Aug 26, 2015 • 6:26:59am

re: #177 lawhawk

Oh like other journalists (or “journalists”) don’t take selfies with politicians or famous people? Seriously?

I see, so a journalist who works for Univision is just a “journalist”.

/

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The Vicious Babushka  Aug 26, 2015 • 6:27:52am

re: #176 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse

Oh, via Breitbart News? Confirmed, FACT, then.
///

Last night they were saying “every 93 seconds” but now it’s “every 88 seconds” because 88 is a magic number.

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Nyet  Aug 26, 2015 • 6:29:00am

re: #168 WhatEVs

Here’s the issue (regarding Godwin); is there anything that could come from making comparisons now? Have years of OBAMA IS JUST LIKE HITLER!! taken the concept of Just Like Hitler and completely negated any meaning?

Depends on how you approach this. It doesn’t make much sense (outside of preaching to the choir or venting) to simply say “(s)he’s like Hitler”. That won’t make any impact. If one can show credible and specific parallels that are not immediately counter-intuitive (like it is with the wingnuts calling us Nazis), it might work for some.

However: I didn’t propose that godwining should be a usual weapon in anybody’s arsenal, or that it is particularly effective. I only argue against dismissing it for some silly reason. It can still backfire.

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Timothy Watson  Aug 26, 2015 • 6:30:10am

re: #170 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

Well, the guy’s white, so obviously he’s a mentally-disturbed lone wolf. This is all nobody’s fault, nothing to see here….

Is he white? I was having trouble determining his race from the photo…

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Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Aug 26, 2015 • 6:30:43am

re: #5 Charles Johnson

Notice that the Breitbart commenters are actually screaming for 30 MILLION PEOPLE to be deported.

30 million people.

I guess they’re throwing in some legal residents, U.S. citizens, random liberals in there for good measure.

//

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Mattand  Aug 26, 2015 • 6:31:06am

So, I got into it with a genius on Facebook who insists the Civil War wasn’t caused by slavery.

She writes poorly. No commas, ends sentences with multiple periods. Consistently terrible writing skills. That sort of shit.

She mentions that her interpretation of the Civil War is one were slavery wasn’t the major cause. I tell her that her interpretation of US history is similar to someone saying their interpretation of geography is that the Earth is flat. “Spectacularly ill-informed and wrong”, to be precise.

She tells me I should go cool my head. I tell her “Right after you learn to punctuate your sentences at sixth grade level.”

I’m then informed I’m being a bully, and that the owner of the thread says I’m being uncivil.

So it now appears that when a Civil War denialist has their piss poor spelling pointed out to them, it’s the same as picking on someone for their lunch money.

Fucking idiot.

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Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Aug 26, 2015 • 6:31:10am

re: #183 The Vicious Babushka

Last night they were saying “every 93 seconds” but now it’s “every 88 seconds” because 88 is a magic number.

Haven’t we heard that number some where before?

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Nyet  Aug 26, 2015 • 6:31:12am

re: #185 Timothy Watson

Is he white? I was having trouble determining his race from the photo…

I’d say recent events should make one think twice about identifying race from mere photos.

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I Stand With Planned Parenthood  Aug 26, 2015 • 6:31:20am

Soda Pop
Obsessives - Soda Pop

Capitalism at it’s best. —truly, will make you smile.

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Mattand  Aug 26, 2015 • 6:31:47am

re: #183 The Vicious Babushka

Last night they were saying “every 93 seconds” but now it’s “every 88 seconds” because 88 is a magic number.

I see what you did there.

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Amory Blaine  Aug 26, 2015 • 6:32:25am

re: #183 The Vicious Babushka

By this evening it will be 12 seconds on a Fox news chyron.

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Nyet  Aug 26, 2015 • 6:32:39am

re: #187 Mattand

Spam them with the primary sources and be done with that.

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Joe Bacon  Aug 26, 2015 • 6:33:44am

re: #151 The Vicious Babushka

STUPIDEST AYN RAND MEME EVER==>
WTF does this even mean?

[Embedded content]

It means that Ayn AS IN MINE Rand and her disciples live in a LAISSEZ FAIRYLAND!

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WhatEVs  Aug 26, 2015 • 6:34:01am

re: #152 KiTA

Can’t 99% of her quotes be summed up as “FYGM?”

Most of her life, too.

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William Lewis  Aug 26, 2015 • 6:34:02am

re: #192 Amory Blaine

By this evening it will be 12 seconds on a Fox news chyron.

Nope. 14 seconds for the other magic number…

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The Vicious Babushka  Aug 26, 2015 • 6:35:15am

re: #187 Mattand

So, I got into it with a genius on Facebook who insists the Civil War wasn’t caused by slavery.

She writes poorly. No commas, ends sentences with multiple periods. Consistently terrible writing skills. That sort of shit.

She mentions that her interpretation of the Civil War is one were slavery wasn’t the major cause. I tell her that her interpretation of US history is similar to someone saying their interpretation of geography is that the Earth is flat. “Spectacularly ill-informed and wrong”, to be precise.

She tells me I should go cool my head. I tell her “Right after you learn to punctuate your sentences at sixth grade level.”

I’m then informed I’m being a bully, and that the owner of the thread says I’m being uncivil.

So it now appears that when a Civil War denialist has their piss poor spelling pointed out to them, it’s the same as picking on someone for their lunch money.

Fucking idiot.

Don’t nitpick about grammar & spelling.
Just clobber her with the Neo-Confederate Troll Hammer:
Declaration of Causes of Secession
Cornerstone Speech

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lawhawk  Aug 26, 2015 • 6:37:25am

re: #197 The Vicious Babushka

And don’t forget that Confederate currency made specific reference to slaves:

Image: Confederate_currency_notes_6.jpg - see the 10 dollar note.

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Mattand  Aug 26, 2015 • 6:39:25am

re: #193 Nyet

Spam them with the primary sources and be done with that.

Eh, not worth the effort. I find that people in the “Slavery didn’t cause the Civil War” camp usually have enough racial hang-ups to make them fairly immune to evidence.

She posted something from a site called civilwar-dot-org that claims to show the reasons for secession. Lots of pie graphs. I haven’t checked it out yet, partly because I’m wondering if it’s some sort of denialist/South’s-gonna-do-it-again bullshit.

160 years later, and people in the fucking North won’t face reality about the Civil War. Swear to God, people wear their hatred of education like a fucking badge of honor.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 26, 2015 • 6:40:03am

re: #148 The Vicious Babushka

Last night it was “every 93 seconds” but they amplified that dog whistle

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There’s that number: 88.

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Nyet  Aug 26, 2015 • 6:41:04am

re: #198 lawhawk

And their so-called “constitution”.

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Nyet  Aug 26, 2015 • 6:41:48am

re: #199 Mattand

You can post it here, in a private tag, for us to laugh at :)

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Joe Bacon  Aug 26, 2015 • 6:41:54am

re: #167 The Vicious Babushka

No Ben, the left target Josh Duggar because he’s a sister-raping cheating hypocrite

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Gosh, Ben! I didn’t know that didling your sisters and cheating on your wife were Christian values. But since L’il Josh is really a disciple of Ayn AS IN MINE Rand, just like Ben is well then…anything goes!

Ayn Rand mutated “Christianity” into “¢hri$tianity”!

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The Vicious Babushka  Aug 26, 2015 • 6:42:23am

re: #199 Mattand

Eh, not worth the effort. I find that people in the “Slavery didn’t cause the Civil War” camp usually have enough racial hang-ups to make them fairly immune to evidence.

She posted something from a site called civilwar-dot-org that claims to show the reasons for secession. Lots of pie graphs. I haven’t checked it out yet, partly because I’m wondering if it’s some sort of denialist/South’s-gonna-do-it-again bullshit.

160 years later, and people in the fucking North won’t face reality about the Civil War. Swear to God, people wear their hatred of education like a fucking badge of honor.

Civilwar.org has the Declaration of Secession documents it’s a legit history site.

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Nyet  Aug 26, 2015 • 6:42:30am

re: #200 Backwoods_Sleuth

Now they need a 14.

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Mattand  Aug 26, 2015 • 6:42:40am

re: #197 The Vicious Babushka

Don’t nitpick about grammar & spelling.
Just clobber her with the Neo-Confederate Troll Hammer:
Declaration of Causes of Secession
Cornerstone Speech

Appreciate it.

The spelling/grammar thing, when combined with obvious ignorance/denial on a subject, is just a huge button pusher for me. Usually because the person thinks they’re bolstering their argument with facts, when it really makes them look like they’re trying to write an Internet comment in crayon and finger paint.

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Great White Snark  Aug 26, 2015 • 6:47:18am

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Aug 26, 2015 • 6:47:53am

re: #182 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse

I see, so a journalist who works for Univision is just a “journalist”.

/

Probably the only journalists left on American TV.

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Nyet  Aug 26, 2015 • 6:48:40am

re: #207 Great White Snark

Hillarious!

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Aug 26, 2015 • 6:49:06am

re: #185 Timothy Watson

Is he white? I was having trouble determining his race from the photo…

I could be wrong, of course…for the first time ever!///

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The Vicious Babushka  Aug 26, 2015 • 6:49:13am

Wingnut endorses child slave labor. My surprise, let me show you it.

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Iwouldprefernotto  Aug 26, 2015 • 6:50:32am

re: #211 The Vicious Babushka

Wingnut endorses child slave labor. My surprise, let me show you it.

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And don’t give them shoes…

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Joe Bacon  Aug 26, 2015 • 6:56:03am

re: #211 The Vicious Babushka

Wingnut endorses child slave labor. My surprise, let me show you it.

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What is disgusting is that there has been a pending Constitutional Amendment to prohibit Child Labor that is still out for ratification since 1924!

en.wikipedia.org

And note which states REJECTED the amendment. Shame on them…

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Decatur Deb  Aug 26, 2015 • 6:56:23am

re: #211 The Vicious Babushka

Wingnut endorses child slave labor. My surprise, let me show you it.

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Thought you might have added the photo as a sardonic comment. Nope. The morons included it in their tweet.

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I Stand With Planned Parenthood  Aug 26, 2015 • 6:56:38am

State Department confirms Hillary Clinton email violated no laws or policies

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The Vicious Babushka  Aug 26, 2015 • 6:57:09am

re: #214 Decatur Deb

Thought you might have added the photo as a sardonic comment. Nope. The morons included it in their tweet.

“Strengthen The US” has blocked me.

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I Stand With Planned Parenthood  Aug 26, 2015 • 6:57:31am
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I Stand With Planned Parenthood  Aug 26, 2015 • 6:57:48am

bbl

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Aug 26, 2015 • 6:58:03am

re: #189 Nyet

I’d say recent events should make one think twice about identifying race from mere photos.

Touché. But living in a country where the one-drop rule is a not-so-distant memory, I would have pegged Shaun King as exactly who he demonstrated himself to be. (Not that it matters. What? A white guy can’t think that cops murdering black people is wrong?)

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Decatur Deb  Aug 26, 2015 • 6:58:29am

re: #216 The Vicious Babushka

“Strengthen The US” has blocked me.

Suspect you’re unwelcome at “Arbeit Macht Frei” as well.

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Aug 26, 2015 • 6:58:59am

re: #199 Mattand

Swear to God, people wear their hatred of education like a fucking badge of honor.

I think it is a cultural thing, the USA had a serious intellectual and cultural inferiority complex with regard to Europe, we sought to compensate for it by maintaining that we were less elitist, more democratic and morally superior to those decadent, effete, over-educated Europeans.

That attitude is bandied about regularly by populists who want an excuse to cut education costs and/or cover up their own lack of basic education.

“My favorite Founding Father? All of them!!!”

Trump would just tell you that those guys had no class and his Virginia Estates are much better…

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The Vicious Babushka  Aug 26, 2015 • 6:59:22am

re: #217 I Stand With Planned Parenthood

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Then there are the wingnuts who adopt these kids by the bushel in order to indoctrinate them with “Christian values” Michele Bachmann anyone?

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Aug 26, 2015 • 7:01:59am

re: #222 The Vicious Babushka

Then there are the wingnuts who adopt these kids by the bushel in order to indoctrinate them with “Christian values” Michele Bachmann anyone?

at least they are putting their time and money where their mouths are.

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FormerDirtDart  Aug 26, 2015 • 7:02:52am

A TV Reporter and Cameraman were shot and killed during live remote in Virginia this morning
Live Shooting WDBJ

Two WDBJ7 employees killed in attack at Bridgewater Plaza

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Aug 26, 2015 • 7:03:40am

re: #224 FormerDirtDart

A TV Reporter and Cameraman were shot and killed during liver remote in Virginia this morning
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Well it is obvious that all TV commentators should be armed and ready to defend themselves.

/

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The Vicious Babushka  Aug 26, 2015 • 7:04:06am

How soon before we hear that the site where the news team was shot was a “Gun Free Zone!!!!1!!!”

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Aug 26, 2015 • 7:04:36am

re: #215 I Stand With Planned Parenthood

State Department confirms Hillary Clinton email violated no laws or policies

As far as deciding what’s classified and what’s not: who do these idiots think would have the authority to tell the Secretary of State that? In her own Department? The President is the only one that comes to mind.

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FormerDirtDart  Aug 26, 2015 • 7:05:36am

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 26, 2015 • 7:06:47am

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Higgs Boson's Mate  Aug 26, 2015 • 7:07:07am

re: #204 The Vicious Babushka

Swear to God, people wear their hatred of education like a fucking badge of honor.

They’re being very human. Many of these people feel anger and resentment toward eduction because, for them, the smart guys have changed society and technology in ways that have left them feeling challenged and inadequate. The smart guys get the good jobs and the nice stuff, stuff that should go to hard working god-fearing natural born Real Americans. It’s easier and more satisfying for them to deride education and hate the educated than it is to actually consider why they’re in the shape they’re in.

The Band, The Shape I’m In
Video

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Targetpractice  Aug 26, 2015 • 7:07:33am

re: #215 I Stand With Planned Parenthood

State Department confirms Hillary Clinton email violated no laws or policies

This will come as a major disappointment to Bernie supporters.

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#CampaignZero  Aug 26, 2015 • 7:08:49am

They got the killer’s licence plate. Appears they know who he is.

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Lidane  Aug 26, 2015 • 7:09:11am

re: #224 FormerDirtDart

One of the anchors at WDBJ:

:(

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HappyWarrior  Aug 26, 2015 • 7:10:23am

re: #233 Lidane

One of the anchors at WDBJ:

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:(

Poor guy. So tired of these shootings sigh.

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fern01  Aug 26, 2015 • 7:10:32am

re: #190 I Stand With Planned Parenthood

Capitalism at it’s best. —truly, will make you smile.

I smiled - thanks for sharing

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HappyWarrior  Aug 26, 2015 • 7:10:39am

re: #231 Targetpractice

This will come as a major disappointment to Bernie supporters.

The media too.

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zerosumgame0005  Aug 26, 2015 • 7:11:02am

re: #14 Nyet

re: #14 Nyet

As I mentioned earlier:

The old rule was: the one mentioning Hitler/Nazis loses the debate.

The new rule is: the one trying to apply the old rule loses the debate.

Because if you can’t use historical analogies, it’s akin to forgetting, and the one who forgets history is doomed to repeat it.

Nope, Nope Godwins “Law” that you are referring to only claims such comparisons WILL HAPPEN, not the outcome being “won” or “lost” by the mention. Like 99% of people on the internet you heard about it, or read it once and got it completely WRONG.

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Higgs Boson's Mate  Aug 26, 2015 • 7:12:46am

re: #231 Targetpractice

This will come as a major disappointment to Bernie supporters.

While leaving the GOPers undeterred because everybody knows that Obama unloaded smuggled drugs for the Clintons at Mena Airport. It was only a Summer job but, the Clintons have got that on him.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 26, 2015 • 7:13:23am

re: #203 Joe Bacon

Gosh, Ben! I didn’t know that didling your sisters and cheating on your wife were Christian values. But since L’il Josh is really a disciple of Ayn AS IN MINE Rand, just like Ben is well then…anything goes!

Ayn Rand mutated “Christianity” into “¢hri$tianity”!

You don’t say. Josh Duggar knows nothing about morality. Nothing. And neither do his dipshit parents.

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makeitstop  Aug 26, 2015 • 7:14:06am

re: #233 Lidane

One of the anchors at WDBJ:

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:(

What a crying shame. I feel for that poor guy.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 26, 2015 • 7:14:07am

re: #233 Lidane
Apparently, it was Ms. Parker’s last day at WDBJ. She was moving to another station, in Charlotte.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 26, 2015 • 7:15:24am

sigh

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HappyWarrior  Aug 26, 2015 • 7:15:32am

It is nice to read about the victims though for a change. I remember reading about the one professor in Virginia Tech who saved his students and it came out that he was a Holocaust survivor.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 26, 2015 • 7:16:04am

re: #242 Backwoods_Sleuth

sigh

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Fucking asshole.

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Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Aug 26, 2015 • 7:17:46am

re: #211 The Vicious Babushka

Wingnut endorses child slave labor. My surprise, let me show you it.

But not werk that can be done by machines!! And children should know thare work does not deserve pay!!!!

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Dr Lizardo  Aug 26, 2015 • 7:18:08am

re: #242 Backwoods_Sleuth

I wonder if they’ll take him alive or if this ends in suicide by cop. Or maybe he just kills himself.

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lawhawk  Aug 26, 2015 • 7:18:27am

This is the exact mindset that has kept us from dealing with the epidemic of firearms fatalities for decades. To the gun fetishists, it’s never a good time to talk about it.

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Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Aug 26, 2015 • 7:19:17am

re: #242 Backwoods_Sleuth

sigh

So they were deliberately targeted then, it sounds. I had the impression originally they were wrong place wrong time.

Still awful.

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Targetpractice  Aug 26, 2015 • 7:19:44am

Of course, we know how this all goes:

A) If he’s a minority, the wingnuts will scream that this just proves that they’re all criminals and we need guns to protect ourselves from them.

B) If he’s white, they’ll scream that he’s mentally ill and we need guns to protect ourselves from “crazies.”

C) If the gun was purchased illegally, we’ll be told that this just proves we need guns to protect ourselves from the criminals.

D) If the gun was purchased legally, they’ll insist that it’s not an indictment of “responsible gun owners” and say we need guns to protect ourselves.

OR, shorter, we’ll be told we need more guns. The rest is window dressing.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 26, 2015 • 7:19:55am

re: #245 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse

But not werk that can be done by machines!! And children should know thare work does not deserve pay!!!!

Children should be focused on two things: education and learning how to interact with people. Now if you think the kid needs a summer job once they hit high school, I am cool with that but this is just stupid. There was a time when kids needed to learn how to farm work since the family farm was a real thing but we’re an urban, post-industrial society.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 26, 2015 • 7:20:22am

re: #249 Targetpractice

Of course, we know how this all goes:

A) If he’s a minority, the wingnuts will scream that this just proves that they’re all criminals and we need guns to protect ourselves from them.

B) If he’s white, they’ll scream that he’s mentally ill and we need guns to protect ourselves from “crazies.”

C) If the gun was purchased illegally, we’ll be told that this just proves we need guns to protect ourselves from the criminals.

D) If the gun was purchased legally, they’ll insist that it’s not an indictment of “responsible gun owners” and say we need guns to protect ourselves.

OR, shorter, we’ll be told we need more guns. The rest is window dressing.

Always more guns.

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Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Aug 26, 2015 • 7:20:28am

re: #247 lawhawk

This is the exact mindset that has kept us from dealing with the epidemic of firearms fatalities for decades. To the gun fetishists, it’s never a good time to talk about it.

15 seconds after Benghazi!!!!:

Why hasn’t Obummer called this terrorism and who gave the Stand Down Order and WHAT REALLY HAPPENED??

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lawhawk  Aug 26, 2015 • 7:20:33am

re: #249 Targetpractice

You forgot - he was a good guy with a gun, right up til the moment he became the bad gun.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 26, 2015 • 7:20:57am

Virginia allows open carry without requiring a permit.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 26, 2015 • 7:21:33am

re: #247 lawhawk

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This is the exact mindset that has kept us from dealing with the epidemic of firearms fatalities for decades. To the gun fetishists, it’s never a good time to talk about it.

And yet their fuckwads actually blame gay marriage for shootings and yet no condemnation at all from people like Ed. We have every right frankly to talk about how easy access to guns makes these shootings much easier than they would be if we uh ya know didn’t have easy access to guns.

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Targetpractice  Aug 26, 2015 • 7:21:43am

re: #253 lawhawk

You forgot - he was a good guy with a gun, right up til the moment he became the bad gun.

That only applies if the gun was legal. If it was purchased illegally, then it’s “proof” that gun laws mean nothing to criminals and “responsible gun owners” should not be punished for the actions of criminals.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 26, 2015 • 7:22:06am

re: #254 Backwoods_Sleuth

Virginia allows open carry without requiring a permit.

Yeah we have some of the most lax gun laws in the country.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 26, 2015 • 7:24:10am

It’s a sad story though. Not really familiar with that area at all since it’s on the other side of the state from me but damn. I just feel for the family and friends of the victims. And I know there’s going to be a certain balding asshole in Texas who will be calling this a false flag operation designed to take your guns like he does after every tragedy like this.

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Nyet  Aug 26, 2015 • 7:24:43am

re: #215 I Stand With Planned Parenthood

Cover up!!11

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Targetpractice  Aug 26, 2015 • 7:24:50am

Just for point of reference, Virginia saw the worst college shooting in US history not even a decade ago at Virginia Tech, where 32 people lost their lives. A year later, a family member of one of the victims went to a gun show with $600 in his pocket and no valid ID, but walked out with $600 worth of guns. That included a pistol bought from a guy who approached him and only raised the price $100 when told his potential customer didn’t have a valid ID on him.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 26, 2015 • 7:26:58am

re: #260 Targetpractice

Just for point of reference, Virginia saw the worst college shooting in US history not even a decade ago at Virginia Tech, where 32 people lost their lives. A year later, a family member of one of the victims went to a gun show with $600 in his pocket and no valid ID, but walked out with $600 worth of guns. That included a pistol bought from a guy who approached him and only raised the price $100 when told his potential customer didn’t have a valid ID on him.

I never heard about that. That shooting probably impacted me more than Columbine did. I had a cousin and a lot of friends who were students at VT when it happened. Fortunately, no one I knew was killed but obviously other people weren’t so lucky.

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Nyet  Aug 26, 2015 • 7:27:54am

re: #237 zerosumgame0005

Nope, Nope Godwins “Law” that you are referring to only claims such comparisons WILL HAPPEN, not the outcome being “won” or “lost” by the mention. Like 99% of people on the internet you heard about it, or read it once and got it completely WRONG.

True, but nowhere did I state that it was Godwin’s law. If you search my comment history throughout the years, I always correct then notion that GL is prescriptive, rather than descriptive.

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Dark_Falcon  Aug 26, 2015 • 7:28:31am

re: #21 HappyWarrior

The real truth is this is the BNPing/NFing/or name your particular Eurofascist candy bar of the GOP. I’ll give President Bush credit. He didn’t want to turn his party into that but ever since they rejected his immigration reform, they’ve been on the Nick Griffin/Maxine LePen path when it comes to the hopes and dreams of immigrants.

Actually, many wingnuts are worse than Marine Le Pen. The ‘National Front’ is still a force of evil in France, but unlike her father Marine Le Pen has gotten the party to cease being anti-gay. Her father was enraged by her efforts to do this, and she finally had him kicked out last weekend.

But there’s a dark side even in the FN’s (the party acronym in French) moving forward: Marine Le Penn has promoted the FN has the protector of gay rights against the “Muslim Invasion”.

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The Vicious Babushka  Aug 26, 2015 • 7:28:55am

HURR HURR HOW DARES U TALK ABOUT GUNS AT THIS TIME!!!!1!!!

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Nyet  Aug 26, 2015 • 7:30:20am

re: #263 Dark_Falcon

She’s sponsored by an anti-gay dictator, so this defense rings hollow.

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The Vicious Babushka  Aug 26, 2015 • 7:30:28am

And what would we do without the Gun Control Godwins?

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Nyet  Aug 26, 2015 • 7:31:04am

re: #264 The Vicious Babushka

She probably meant herself./

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Targetpractice  Aug 26, 2015 • 7:31:29am

re: #264 The Vicious Babushka

HURR HURR HOW DARES U TALK ABOUT GUNS AT THIS TIME!!!!1!!!

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This no doubt from one of the assholes who probably pimped the Steinle shooting for all she was worth.

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ObserverArt  Aug 26, 2015 • 7:32:28am

Morning. I just read through some of the stuff posted after I logged out last night.

All I can say is what the hell is going on???

Trump crap, calls for 30 million to be deported, strange back ‘n’ forth between LGF members, young journalist getting killed.

Damn. Crazy times.

I decided I’d flip on Morning Joke today to catch the first 15 minutes or so, because after Trump’s presser last night I figured Joe would be in a mood. And he was. He did the obvious, he said the Univision anchorman was completely out of line and was never called on by Trump and was not asking a question instead he was preaching.

Just as I figured. And then he had (MS)NBCs Kasie Hunt on who was at the event and she tried to explain that it was all strange and uncomfortable and Joe got after her a bit saying Ramos was hurting the rest of the journalists because he didn’t follow the procedure of waiting to be called on for a question.

And of course Joke also mentioned Obama’s handling of reporters and figured Obama would have done the same as Trump or worse.

Summation. Joe Scarborough is a big fan of TRUMP. I think he likes the fact that Trump is doing what he is doing. Maybe Joe wishes he could have done the same when he was in congress. And Joe absolutely hates Obama. Wait, he always says Barack Obama.

Joe also likes to mention that everyone (except him?) said Trump would be gone by now, that he wasn’t a serious candidate, etc. And now look, he keeps going up in the polls.

Trump sure has popped open the trash dumpster lid. All the smells are wafting, the flies buzzing around, the maggots are out in the light of day. And Joe Scarborough is looking into the heap, enjoying the smells and liking what he is seeing.

When Trump first declared I, like many others, was happy to see it thinking he would destroy the GOP. Now I am worried he is going to destroy more than the GOP. To what extent I don’t know, but the damage is going to be extensive.

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Dark_Falcon  Aug 26, 2015 • 7:33:04am

re: #247 lawhawk

Still, its best to find out how the dirtbag in question has armed himself before drawing conclusions.

Heck, it may be a gun he’d had for years and bought entirely legally, only to have him use it for murder when he turned hateful.

We don’t know what lead up to this vile murder, so lets find out before we propose actions to take.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 26, 2015 • 7:33:33am

re: #265 Nyet

She’s sponsored by an anti-gay dictator, so this defense rings hollow.

Yeah I don’t trust her at all. I think this is just Ms. LePen realizing being anti-gay will get you nowhere in French politics in 2015.

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Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Aug 26, 2015 • 7:33:35am

re: #264 The Vicious Babushka

HURR HURR HOW DARES U TALK ABOUT GUNS AT THIS TIME!!!!1!!!

Here come the tragedy pimps. Horrid people.

Hear is another 10 hour video where Planned Parenthood smashes baby skulls and pulls out body part organs!!!

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ChuckJager95  Aug 26, 2015 • 7:33:46am

re: #264 The Vicious Babushka

HURR HURR HOW DARES U TALK ABOUT GUNS AT THIS TIME!!!!1!!!

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Coming from someone who livetweeted her reactions to a Planned Parenthood video “expose.”

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Dark_Falcon  Aug 26, 2015 • 7:34:09am

re: #265 Nyet

She’s sponsored by an anti-gay dictator, so this defense rings hollow.

True, and point accepted.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 26, 2015 • 7:34:28am

re: #264 The Vicious Babushka

HURR HURR HOW DARES U TALK ABOUT GUNS AT THIS TIME!!!!1!!!

[Embedded content]

Oh you mean the people like you Dana who constantly liken people who want reasonable gun policies to Nazis?

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ChuckJager95  Aug 26, 2015 • 7:34:31am

re: #272 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse

Hear is another 10 hour video where Planned Parenthood smashes baby skulls and pulls out body part organs!!!

BEATEN BY SECONDS.

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The Vicious Babushka  Aug 26, 2015 • 7:34:45am

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The Vicious Babushka  Aug 26, 2015 • 7:35:25am

The above Tweet was made at the time of the Sandy Hook shooting.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 26, 2015 • 7:35:40am

re: #270 Dark_Falcon

Still, its best to find out how the dirtbag in question has armed himself before drawing conclusions.

Heck, it may be a gun he’d had for years and bought entirely legally, only to have him use it for murder when he turned hateful.

We don’t know what lead up to this vile murder, so lets find out before we propose actions to take.

That’s fair but Virginia does have ridiculously easy access to guns as TP illustrated. It shouldn’t be that easy to get tons of guns.

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freetoken  Aug 26, 2015 • 7:38:09am

I see we have two gun situations running simultaneously:

Armed student, 14, holds 29 classmates, teacher, hostage at W.Va. high school

We teach them young here in America.

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Timothy Watson  Aug 26, 2015 • 7:38:42am

Virginia Governor McAuliffe is on WTOP right now for a regular segment, and he said that the shooter was a disgruntled employee of the television station, police are in pursuit of him on I-64 right now. and that the person being interviewed was also shot and is currently in surgery.

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ObserverArt  Aug 26, 2015 • 7:39:08am

re: #270 Dark_Falcon

Still, its best to find out how the dirtbag in question has armed himself before drawing conclusions.

Heck, it may be a gun he’d had for years and bought entirely legally, only to have him use it for murder when he turned hateful.

We don’t know what lead up to this vile murder, so lets find out before we propose actions to take.

In other words it is too early to talk about guns.

/

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The Vicious Babushka  Aug 26, 2015 • 7:39:17am

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HappyWarrior  Aug 26, 2015 • 7:39:19am

re: #280 freetoken

I see we have two gun situations running simultaneously:

Armed student, 14, holds 29 classmates, teacher, hostage at W.Va. high school

We teach them young here in America.

Oh fuck.

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Targetpractice  Aug 26, 2015 • 7:39:43am

re: #270 Dark_Falcon

Still, its best to find out how the dirtbag in question has armed himself before drawing conclusions.

Heck, it may be a gun he’d had for years and bought entirely legally, only to have him use it for murder when he turned hateful.

We don’t know what lead up to this vile murder, so lets find out before we propose actions to take.

Dark, can you name a recent shooting (i.e. within the last 5 years) where learning more about what lead up to the shooting resulted in anything but public anger dissipating and efforts to address the cause(s) of the shooting killed by the NRA?

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freetoken  Aug 26, 2015 • 7:40:10am

re: #284 HappyWarrior

Oh fuck.

Well that was yesterday. But my point is that our gun problems now are so overlapped in the news cycle we can’t focus on any one.

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Dark_Falcon  Aug 26, 2015 • 7:40:11am

re: #279 HappyWarrior

That’s fair but Virginia does have ridiculously easy access to guns as TP illustrated. It shouldn’t be that easy to get tons of guns.

Question, because I like won’t be able to follow this story for long: Has this dirtbag shown more than one gun so far?

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LastYearsMan  Aug 26, 2015 • 7:40:17am

Every country has its crazies. But the US is so far off the rails these days, I really don’t understand how it did so well for so long. Franklin? Jefferson? Alexis de Tocqueville? They’re all so very far away.

How could a country founded on slavery and bourbon do so well for so long? Was the rest of the world just that much worse? (Then again, Britain was at its best during the gin craze, and east Asia today loves over-doing it, so maybe alcoholism is part of the secret sauce of greatness).

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b_sharp  Aug 26, 2015 • 7:40:38am

Your laugh for the day.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 26, 2015 • 7:42:06am

re: #287 Dark_Falcon

Question, because I like won’t be able to follow this story for long: Has this dirtbag shown more than one gun so far?

No but I am pointing out that it’s easy as fuck to accumulate a small arsenal here without any valid ID. We need sensible gun policies. Listen I understand why people want guns. They either want to protect themselves and or their families, enjoy hunting or target shooting, nothing wrong with that but when we have a problem of gun violence, we need to be finding out who is buying these guns. End of story.

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b_sharp  Aug 26, 2015 • 7:42:26am

Here’s another one.

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Dark_Falcon  Aug 26, 2015 • 7:42:28am

re: #285 Targetpractice

Dark, can you name a recent shooting (i.e. within the last 5 years) where learning more about what lead up to the shooting resulted in anything but public anger dissipating and efforts to address the cause(s) of the shooting killed by the NRA?

Aurora, CO: Holmes’ murder rampage resulted in a magazine ban in Colorado, barring mags with a capacity greater than 15 rounds.

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Dark_Falcon  Aug 26, 2015 • 7:43:13am

re: #292 Dark_Falcon

Aurora, CO: Holmes’ murder rampage resulted in a magazine ban in Colorado, barring mags with a capacity greater than 15 rounds.

Note: I was asked if I could name such an incident, not what I thought of the resulting law, since I don’t favor magazine bans.

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FormerDirtDart  Aug 26, 2015 • 7:43:28am

re: #280 freetoken

I see we have two gun situations running simultaneously:

Armed student, 14, holds 29 classmates, teacher, hostage at W.Va. high school

We teach them young here in America.

That was yesterday, at about the same time this was happening in Augusta GA
3rd-Grader Playing With Gun Shoots Child at Georgia School

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Higgs Boson's Mate  Aug 26, 2015 • 7:43:57am

re: #288 LastYearsMan

One minor niggle. Americans for the most part drank gin as well. A few years back, a highway project uncovered a midden that had been behind a Plains state saloon in the 1800s. There were thousands of empty gin bottles buried in it.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 26, 2015 • 7:45:12am

re: #294 FormerDirtDart

That was yesterday, at about the same time this was happening in Augusta GA
3rd-Grader Playing With Gun Shoots Child at Georgia School

I did see that. Another lesson in responsible gun ownership. Sigh too fucking many of these man. It’s angering. No one wants to talk about it because they’re too afraid of the gun lobby spending tons of money against their political campaigns. We’re never going to learn until some politician has the balls to call Wayne LaPierre and the NRA little fuckers who need guns to feel better about being insecure cowards.

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LastYearsMan  Aug 26, 2015 • 7:45:16am

re: #295 Higgs Boson’s Mate

That’s a quality niggle.

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The Vicious Babushka  Aug 26, 2015 • 7:45:23am

*smh*

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HappyWarrior  Aug 26, 2015 • 7:45:42am

re: #295 Higgs Boson’s Mate

One minor niggle. Americans for the most part drank gin as well. A few years back, a highway project uncovered a midden that had been behind a Plains state saloon in the 1800s. There were thousands of empty gin bottles buried in it.

Dee, you bitch, I hate gin

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HappyWarrior  Aug 26, 2015 • 7:46:29am

re: #298 The Vicious Babushka

*smh*

[Embedded content]

Assholes. Think of the poor guns!

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#CampaignZero  Aug 26, 2015 • 7:46:36am

CNN reporting that the name of the shooter circulating on the web IS NOT THE KILLER. Brian Steltler spoke to him, poor guy.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 26, 2015 • 7:47:40am

re: #301 #FergusonFireside

CNN reporting that the name of the shooter circulating on the web IS NOT THE KILLER. Brian Steltler spoke to him, poor guy.

Damn, this is one problem with mass media and communication. Remember Newtown, the shooter’s brother was first identified as the shooter. And then during Boston marathon, that Saudi kid got blamed too.

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LastYearsMan  Aug 26, 2015 • 7:48:11am

Apologies if this has been posted before, but it seemed germane to many things…

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ObserverArt  Aug 26, 2015 • 7:48:43am

re: #293 Dark_Falcon

Note: I was asked if I could name such an incident, not what I thought of the resulting law, since I don’t favor magazine bans.

Why would you make that clear to us? You don’t think many of us wouldn’t already think that would be the case.

I like you Dark, but when it comes to guns you totally baffle me (us?). It’s like you are made of blue black metal and can’t think past the length of your barrel.

(going to lurk mode…gotta get busy!)

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The Vicious Babushka  Aug 26, 2015 • 7:51:41am

OFFS

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Targetpractice  Aug 26, 2015 • 7:52:15am

re: #292 Dark_Falcon

Aurora, CO: Holmes’ murder rampage resulted in a magazine ban in Colorado, barring mags with a capacity greater than 15 rounds.

Okay, I’ll give you credit, you found an incident where something was done.

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FormerDirtDart  Aug 26, 2015 • 7:53:35am

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Dr Lizardo  Aug 26, 2015 • 7:53:44am

OT, but this is some pretty fine piloting.

i.imgur.com

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HappyWarrior  Aug 26, 2015 • 7:54:36am

re: #305 The Vicious Babushka

OFFS

[Embedded content]

So they didn’t mean you Dana because you pose with guns, you don’t actually use them. You just pose with them because you think you look tough but you actually look stupid. The 2nd amendment has never meant get as many guns as you want and the government cant’ regulate it. Honestly, we need to look at the 2nd amendment in the context of when it was written in both where we were as a society and frankly where guns were as a technology. I don’t care if that makes me sound like a “gun-grabber” or not, guns and American society are very different than where we were in the 1790’s when that amendment was ratified.

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lawhawk  Aug 26, 2015 • 7:54:58am

re: #270 Dark_Falcon

The actions to take? Seriously?

We know what actions could be taken - it’s the same list of actions that have been blocked for more than 20 years now courtesy of the NRA.

Improved background checks, mental health assessments, etc. Eliminating sales at gun shows, closing loopholes in existing laws, waiting periods, etc. Giving the FBI more time to conduct checks. Expanding database checks to include mental health. Etc.

Most such efforts to improve gun safety have been blocked or watered down to insignificance courtesy of the NRA. Any/all of the proposed changes would reduce the level of gun violence (homicides, suicides, accidental deaths).

Would they prevent this incident is quite besides the point.

The volume of death and carnage resulting from firearms deaths is the point.

And the inaction on this costs lives - not just preventing this specific incident, but any other firearms fatalities.

Fact is that the Iron Pipeline on the East Coast runs right through Virginia, and guns bought there end up being used in crimes up here in the NYC metro area. So yes, fixing the lax laws there can reduce crime - not only in Virginia but elsewhere.

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The Vicious Babushka  Aug 26, 2015 • 7:55:57am

Dana is doing a Gish Gallop all over this poor guy==>

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HappyWarrior  Aug 26, 2015 • 7:56:52am

re: #311 The Vicious Babushka

Dana is doing a Gish Gallop all over this poor guy==>

[Embedded content]

You should tell him he’s wasting his time with a moron.

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The Vicious Babushka  Aug 26, 2015 • 7:57:35am

re: #312 HappyWarrior

You should tell him he’s wasting his time with a moron.

I’m sure he’ll figure it out.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Aug 26, 2015 • 7:57:36am

re: #176 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse

Oh, via Breitbart News? Confirmed, FACT, then.
///

According to CDC stats, there were 3,932,181 live births in 2013 in the USA. That works out to be 45 every second. cdc.gov

So, somehow in the following two years, enough immigrants have entered the USA to double the birthrate.

Nevermind, they’re claiming every 88 seconds an “illegal alien” is born. Frequency is not the same as period. Duh.

Yeah, right.

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Romantic Heretic  Aug 26, 2015 • 7:58:43am

re: #151 The Vicious Babushka

Guvmint is bad, mkay?

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lawhawk  Aug 26, 2015 • 7:59:03am

Because nothing more important than showing off the assets prized most by Fox execs.

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Jenner7  Aug 26, 2015 • 8:00:30am

This made me cry.

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Dark_Falcon  Aug 26, 2015 • 8:00:43am

re: #305 The Vicious Babushka

In extreme cases, such as at the Battle of North Cape in 1814, ‘regulation’ could also mean ordering militia cavalry to ride down and kill any infantryman who left the line without permission.

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FormerDirtDart  Aug 26, 2015 • 8:00:50am

re: #306 Targetpractice

Okay, I’ll give you credit, you found an incident where something was done.

After the Sandy Hook School shooting New York State enacted the Secure Ammunition and Firearms Enforcement (SAFE) Act
New York Secure Ammunition and Firearms Enforcement Act of 2013 via Wikipedia

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HappyWarrior  Aug 26, 2015 • 8:02:18am

re: #316 lawhawk

[Embedded content]

Because nothing more important than showing off the assets prized most by Fox execs.

Seems that Fox is a real life 1950’s stereotype.
You can wear pants now dahling, you’ve made it.

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Jenner7  Aug 26, 2015 • 8:03:03am

CNN just showed the video.

And now I’m crying again.

G’damnit.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 26, 2015 • 8:03:08am

re: #317 Jenner7

[Embedded content]

This made me cry.

Well of course. If they’re not lily white, they can’t be American. //

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The Vicious Babushka  Aug 26, 2015 • 8:03:18am

re: #320 HappyWarrior

Seems that Fox is a real life 1950’s stereotype.
You can wear pants now dahling, you’ve made it.

You got your own cigarette now baby
You’ve come a long, long way!

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KiTA  Aug 26, 2015 • 8:03:43am

re: #314 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

According to CDC stats, there were 3,932,181 live births in 2013 in the USA. That works out to be 45 every second. cdc.gov

So, somehow in the following two years, enough immigrants have entered the USA to double the birthrate.

Yeah, right.

If you follow the “Quiverfull” White Nationalist movement at all, that is almost the EXACT logic they follow.

(The Duggers are fairly typical Quiverfulls, IIRC.)

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HappyWarrior  Aug 26, 2015 • 8:04:39am

re: #323 The Vicious Babushka

You got your own cigarette now baby
You’ve come a long, long way!

Heh seriously, I can’t help but to think of the outdated dealing with female employees video from an early Family Guy episode.
“And nothing says nice job like a firm slap on the behind.”

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Aug 26, 2015 • 8:04:57am

re: #318 Dark_Falcon

[Embedded content]

In extreme cases, such as at the Battle of North Cape in 1814, ‘regulation’ could also mean ordering militia cavalry to ride down and kill any infantryman who left the line without permission.

In 18th Century military parlance a military organization is “well-regulated” if it has a rigid rank hierarchy, that rank is bestowed by civilian authority—i.e., no election of officers—and has a system of discipline so savage that no one would even think of running away because they fear their officers more than the enemy.

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ObserverArt  Aug 26, 2015 • 8:05:03am

re: #317 Jenner7

[Embedded content]

This made me cry.

Damn. Well, I know who I’d like to toss out of this country. And it sure isn’t Mr. Ramos.

Thanks TRUMP. You’ve made it fine and dandy for a lot of Americans to be complete fascist assholes. Hey, if a rich successful guy can say it…

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Franklin  Aug 26, 2015 • 8:06:47am

re: #298 The Vicious Babushka

*smh*

[Embedded content]

No guns used in the Boston Marathon Bombing? How did Sean Collier die? And were the Tsarnev brothers throwing tennis balls at the Watertown police on Laurel St during the shootout?

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HappyWarrior  Aug 26, 2015 • 8:08:22am

re: #328 Franklin

No guns used in the Boston Marathon Bombing? How did Sean Collier die? And were the Tsarnev brothers throwing tennis balls at the Watertown police on Laurel St during the shootout?

I have to admit, I forgot about that.

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Romantic Heretic  Aug 26, 2015 • 8:08:33am

re: #211 The Vicious Babushka

To the monster who posted this Tweet.

Cleaning their room is the work a child should be doing. Your picture is slavery.

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Aug 26, 2015 • 8:11:46am

re: #330 Romantic Heretic

To the monster who posted this Tweet.

Cleaning their room is the work a child should be doing. Your picture is slavery.

There is a difference between children contributing to the well-being of their families and children being exploited to make a profit for someone else.

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lawhawk  Aug 26, 2015 • 8:13:04am

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blueraven  Aug 26, 2015 • 8:13:39am

Whoa! Apparently they are looking for this man in VA shooting

He is tweeting

twitter.com

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Dave In Austin  Aug 26, 2015 • 8:14:00am

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The Vicious Babushka  Aug 26, 2015 • 8:14:48am

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KiTA  Aug 26, 2015 • 8:15:05am

They’re reporting the name of the gunman is Vester Lee Flanagan, but the first comment is someone disputing this.

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Jenner7  Aug 26, 2015 • 8:16:11am

re: #333 blueraven

Holy shit.

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Dark_Falcon  Aug 26, 2015 • 8:16:17am

re: #326 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

In 18th Century military parlance a military organization is “well-regulated” if it has a rigid rank hierarchy, that rank is bestowed by civilian authority—i.e., no election of officers—and has a system of discipline so savage that no one would even think of running away because they fear their officers more than the enemy.

Given that the 2nd Amendment was referring militia, that last mostly didn’t apply. But ‘well-regulated’ in those days did mean less about ability to hit a target at long range with a rifle and more about properly loading muskets and firing volleys on command. A top-quality militia company in those days meant one that could fire 5 volleys in 2 minutes.

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Franklin  Aug 26, 2015 • 8:16:18am

re: #333 blueraven

Whoa! Apparently they are looking for this man in VA shooting

He is tweeting

twitter.com

HOLY SHIT, do not click that link. He just posted video of the shooters POV of the attack (perhaps it’s him).

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blueraven  Aug 26, 2015 • 8:16:35am

Oh shit

Click to Reveal

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The Vicious Babushka  Aug 26, 2015 • 8:17:20am

re: #340 blueraven

Oh shit

[Embedded content]

Put that in [ spoiler ] tags please

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blueraven  Aug 26, 2015 • 8:17:46am

re: #339 Franklin

HOLY SHIT, do not click that link. He just posted video of the shooters POV of the attack (perhaps it’s him).

It is him. The video stops when the gun is pulled.

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Franklin  Aug 26, 2015 • 8:17:46am

I stopped the video here, don’t need to see the rest.

Click to Reveal
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lawhawk  Aug 26, 2015 • 8:18:03am

The shooter also apparently videotaped his murdering two people, and shooting a third.

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Dark_Falcon  Aug 26, 2015 • 8:18:27am

BBL

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plansbandc  Aug 26, 2015 • 8:18:44am

I think gun fuckers enjoy shootings. They get to get defensive, show off their grand constitutional knowledge, school the country about what is right and true, and generally get LOTS of attention. So much win for them.

Appalling.

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KiTA  Aug 26, 2015 • 8:18:50am

Apparently Japan is dotted with hundreds of stones that say, in archaic Japanese, “Do not build your homes below this point!”

nytimes.com

600+ year old Tsunami warnings, etched in stone from the survivors from some previous tragedy. Some were put up after the 1896 Tsunami that say instead, that after an Earthquake to get above the stone’s height.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 26, 2015 • 8:19:06am

Jesus.

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KiTA  Aug 26, 2015 • 8:19:09am

re: #342 blueraven

It is him. The video stops when the gun is pulled.

NO, there’s more videos. He keeps filming. Holy fuck.

Holy. Fuck.

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Jenner7  Aug 26, 2015 • 8:19:13am

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blueraven  Aug 26, 2015 • 8:19:15am

re: #341 The Vicious Babushka

Put that in [ spoiler ] tags please

done

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ObserverArt  Aug 26, 2015 • 8:19:56am

re: #333 blueraven

Whoa! Apparently they are looking for this man in VA shooting

He is tweeting

twitter.com

Well, looks like the world is getting to see a killer in action and tweeting it all while being searched for.

We no longer need movie plots. We have real life.

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The Vicious Babushka  Aug 26, 2015 • 8:20:20am

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Franklin  Aug 26, 2015 • 8:20:35am

Good thing for Twitter autoplaying video as you scroll to it. ///////

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HappyWarrior  Aug 26, 2015 • 8:21:17am

The account’s been suspended.

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KiTA  Aug 26, 2015 • 8:21:25am

Twitter nuked the account

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Franklin  Aug 26, 2015 • 8:21:55am

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Targetpractice  Aug 26, 2015 • 8:23:10am

re: #356 KiTA

Twitter nuked the account

Not that it will really matter by this point. There’s undoubtedly been people who caught copies of it and we’ll soon see it playing on media networks.

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ObserverArt  Aug 26, 2015 • 8:23:23am

And the account at Twitter just got suspended.

I think this will lead to some rethinking of Twitter. They have their issues. Now they have a big issue.

And yes, I went to the link and the most recent video he posted was the shooting. I want my old life back now. The new one started about 8 or so minutes ago.

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KiTA  Aug 26, 2015 • 8:23:38am

The videos are up on his Facebook too.

This guy knows EXACTLY what he’s doing.

His twitter page complains about them going to HR about him, suing him.

Image: unq0Im2.png

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Charles Johnson  Aug 26, 2015 • 8:24:10am

That sick fuck tweeted video of himself shooting these people. I saw it right before the account was suspended.

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ObserverArt  Aug 26, 2015 • 8:24:58am

re: #361 Charles Johnson

That sick fuck tweeted video of himself shooting these people. I saw it right before the account was suspended.

Me too. I wish I hadn’t. Damn.

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LastYearsMan  Aug 26, 2015 • 8:25:23am

I’m sorry, all the Americans here, but I just don’t understand your country at all.

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KiTA  Aug 26, 2015 • 8:25:31am

Facebook has videos he did of stories as a reporter covering guns of some kind, as well as what basically looks like a demo reel of himself on TV.

He’s been uploading since the 19th at least. His text makes it sound like he abandoned his cats earlier than that.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 26, 2015 • 8:25:32am

Just watched. He mutters bitch right as it ends. Downright creepy as hell to watch that.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 26, 2015 • 8:25:55am

re: #363 LastYearsMan

I’m sorry, all the Americans here, but I just don’t understand your country at all.

It’s okay. A lot of us don’t either.

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KiTA  Aug 26, 2015 • 8:26:25am

re: #365 HappyWarrior

Just watched. He mutters bitch right as it ends. Downright creepy as hell to watch that.

That was the first video.

The second video he starts firing.

He has multiple Facebook pages up with the content mirrored. This guy’s very media savvy.

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Jenner7  Aug 26, 2015 • 8:26:40am

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Joe Bacon  Aug 26, 2015 • 8:27:08am

re: #363 LastYearsMan

I’m sorry, all the Americans here, but I just don’t understand your country at all.

This isn’t the country I knew when I was a kid. It’s gotten a lot nastier…

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ObserverArt  Aug 26, 2015 • 8:27:40am

re: #363 LastYearsMan

I’m sorry, all the Americans here, but I just don’t understand your country at all.

Don’t worry. I live here and I don’t understand it either. I bet there are many others that feel the exact same way.

When it comes to guns we are paralyzed. Almost like we are all in the sight of a gun.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 26, 2015 • 8:27:44am

re: #367 KiTA

That was the first video.

The second video he starts firing.

He has multiple Facebook pages up with the content mirrored. This guy’s very media savvy.

Yeah haven’t seen the second yet. Don’t know if I can watch that.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Aug 26, 2015 • 8:28:01am

I refuse to focus on him right now. I hope that the family and friends of those who died can somehow find some peace, especially with the media’s obsession with showing the snuff films.

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Franklin  Aug 26, 2015 • 8:28:04am

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Romantic Heretic  Aug 26, 2015 • 8:28:15am

re: #264 The Vicious Babushka

You’d know, Dana.

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LastYearsMan  Aug 26, 2015 • 8:28:52am

I was watching the first episode of FEAR THE WALKING DEAD when I clicked over to see that Twitter feed, with the shooting. Now the WALKING DEAD feels like a silly little joke.

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Targetpractice  Aug 26, 2015 • 8:29:13am

re: #373 Franklin

[Embedded content]

You mean the wingnut narrative change from: “This is a lone wolf!” to “This is a black guy, you know how they’re all criminals!”?

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KiTA  Aug 26, 2015 • 8:29:21am

Why the fucking hell did I watch those videos. Jesus fucking christ. Jesis goddamned christ

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Aug 26, 2015 • 8:29:22am

(Also, I won’t lie, my first thought re: the Twitter account was that he shouldn’t tweet while driving.)

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Jayleia  Aug 26, 2015 • 8:29:27am

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Franklin  Aug 26, 2015 • 8:29:40am

re: #354 Franklin

Good thing for Twitter autoplaying video as you scroll to it. ///////

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HappyWarrior  Aug 26, 2015 • 8:29:46am

re: #376 Targetpractice

You mean the wingnut narrative change from: “This is a lone wolf!” to “This is a black guy, you know how they’re all criminals!”?

Yep.

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lawhawk  Aug 26, 2015 • 8:29:53am

Facebook has taken down his pages.

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The Vicious Babushka  Aug 26, 2015 • 8:31:12am

And now, the firehose of racism

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Targetpractice  Aug 26, 2015 • 8:31:23am

And now will begin the rummaging into this guy’s background for any evidence of criminal activity, so that he can be dubbed a “thug.”

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lawhawk  Aug 26, 2015 • 8:31:47am

re: #380 Franklin

I turned off autoplay yesterday after I found out that my data plan was almost gone for the month due to Twitter running video. Changed phone settings to only allowing video if connected to wifi and then changed twitter general settings to turn off autoplay.

Do the same with Facebook.

These should be the default options by the way, not opt-in. They expose ppl to data charges without realizing it.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 26, 2015 • 8:32:24am

re: #383 The Vicious Babushka

And now, the firehose of racism

re: #384 Targetpractice

And now will begin the rummaging into this guy’s background for any evidence of criminal activity, so that he can be dubbed a “thug.”

Oh yeah, sigh.

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KiTA  Aug 26, 2015 • 8:33:03am

I’m sorry. I’m sorry about last night guys.

I got into a screaming match with a close friend from high school about that stupid planned parenthood vidoe and I was in a confrontational mood and all the stupidity both from the anti-choice nutjobs along with the fake feminists I get pegged wtih because of GG and I shouldn’t have dreged up anti-SJW crap here.

that video

why the fuck did i watch that video

I’m gonna go find as strong an alchoholic beverage as I can find within walking distance

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lawhawk  Aug 26, 2015 • 8:33:32am

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blueraven  Aug 26, 2015 • 8:33:40am

re: #349 KiTA

NO, there’s more videos. He keeps filming. Holy fuck.

Holy. Fuck.

Just to be clear. The video I posted did not show the shooting. I would not have embedded that here. The one I posted stopped when the gun was pulled.

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KiTA  Aug 26, 2015 • 8:34:10am

Image: unq0Im2.png

here’s his tweets before posting the videos, citing his motive, wasn’t sure if they’re worth sharing but I had it open still

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Targetpractice  Aug 26, 2015 • 8:34:33am

re: #388 lawhawk

[Embedded content]

This will likely reignite the arguments that shooters are just “looking for attention.”

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No Depression  Aug 26, 2015 • 8:34:42am

re: #317 Jenner7

[Embedded content]

This made me cry.

NO! IS ANCHOR BABBY!!1!!!!11!!!

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HappyWarrior  Aug 26, 2015 • 8:35:22am

re: #388 lawhawk

[Embedded content]

23 page fax. Sheesh.

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stpaulbear  Aug 26, 2015 • 8:35:59am

re: #270 Dark_Falcon

Still, its best to find out how the dirtbag in question has armed himself before drawing conclusions.

Heck, it may be a gun he’d had for years and bought entirely legally, only to have him use it for murder when he turned hateful.

We don’t know what lead up to this vile murder, so lets find out before we propose actions to take.

I really want to downding this one. The guy just murdered two people and you want to rationalize about how OK it was for him to have the gun? I’m not a gun owner (and I will never be a gun owner) so I just don’t get this at all.

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calochortus  Aug 26, 2015 • 8:36:24am

Last night I was whining to my husband about being so sick of Trump I could scream, and wanting to read/hear about something else. This is not what I had in mind to take our attention off him.

That is all.

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KiTA  Aug 26, 2015 • 8:36:34am

he knew exactly what he was doing. he uploaded basically a press dossier on himself to twitter and facebook. dozens of pictures of himself as a teen/kid playing himself up as a mdoel, homecoming prince, etc. presumbably to counteract the thug narrative.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 26, 2015 • 8:37:26am

re: #394 stpaulbear

I really want to downding this one. The guy just murdered two people and you want to rationalize about how OK it was for him to have the gun? I’m not a gun owner (and I will never be a gun owner) so I just don’t get this at all.

I still say that if gun control support was a GOP plank that DF would be supportive of sensible gun policies. Harsh I know but I really think that he feels by opposing gun control, he’s being a good Republican.

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Targetpractice  Aug 26, 2015 • 8:37:41am

re: #396 KiTA

he knew exactly what he was doing. he uploaded basically a press dossier on himself to twitter and facebook. dozens of pictures of himself as a teen/kid playing himself up as a mdoel, homecoming prince, etc. presumbably to counteract the thug narrative.

All of which has now been nuked, meaning the “thug” narrative will take off in the absence of contradictory evidence.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 26, 2015 • 8:37:55am

re: #395 calochortus

Last night I was whining to my husband about being so sick of Trump I could scream, and wanting to read/hear about something else. This is not what I had in mind to take our attention off him.

That is all.

Yeah you hope for something uplifting. Not this. Sigh.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Aug 26, 2015 • 8:38:30am

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ObserverArt  Aug 26, 2015 • 8:39:46am

What will this do to Twitter?

They can’t have this happen can they, knowing that once the can is opened others will try to post similar. Sick people in a rage have no control…how will Twitter control it?

There is no way to monitor it, put it on delay, that will be the end of Twitter, Facebook, all the rest.

This is a digital game changer.

I thought it fascinating and scary all at the same time, seeing the almost live coverage of Euromaiden in Ukraine. This just took it to another level.

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KiTA  Aug 26, 2015 • 8:40:16am

re: #398 Targetpractice

All of which has now been nuked, meaning the “thug” narrative will take off in the absence of contradictory evidence.

there are tools to mirror entire fb/twitter pages. archive.is, for example. we in gamergate have been using it because there have been people who have post illega, harrassing stuff and then deleted it. think they call it gaslighting, not sure

but I have absolutely no doubt those pages are mirrored.

edit: yup. they’re archived. doesn’t play the videos. has all the pictures.

archive.is

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Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Aug 26, 2015 • 8:40:33am

re: #400 klys (maker of Silmarils)

Today looking like a good day to not watch the news, read anything (except for LGF).

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The Vicious Babushka  Aug 26, 2015 • 8:41:19am

We’re having our annual corporate picnic today.

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KiTA  Aug 26, 2015 • 8:41:37am

re: #403 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse

Today would be a vrry, very good day to log out of Twitter and not look back. Apparnetly the retweted video isn’t nuked, and autoplays.

no sound but trust me, you don’t want to see that second video.

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Franklin  Aug 26, 2015 • 8:41:52am

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FormerDirtDart  Aug 26, 2015 • 8:41:58am

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Targetpractice  Aug 26, 2015 • 8:42:10am

Now I wish I was scheduled to work today, so I might have missed all this until I got home too tired to care.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Aug 26, 2015 • 8:43:08am

re: #387 KiTA

I realize this is going to get overlooked because of what happened this morning, but I really hope that some of what I said made some sense last night. Or at least you noticed the pattern in the responses you got when you asked at Reddit and are seriously considering some of what might be behind that.

Or that some of those responses read directly like they were lifted from MRA sites. You say you’re not one, but at what point, if you buy into all the talking points, does the distinction matter?

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Aug 26, 2015 • 8:43:45am

I posted to Twitter, others can feel free to steal.

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lawhawk  Aug 26, 2015 • 8:44:11am

It may be over… but not for the families of those killed, the friends, colleagues, and the community. They will live with the grief and trying to come to understand what happened.

My thoughts and prayers to the community there. So many senseless killings. So little empathy to do something to stop it.

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Targetpractice  Aug 26, 2015 • 8:44:43am

re: #406 Franklin

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Again, the people screaming about not using these deaths to fit an “agenda” are many of the same folks who fought over who got to use Steinle’s coffin first as a soapbox for their anti-immigrant screeching.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 26, 2015 • 8:44:52am

re: #407 FormerDirtDart

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Yeah kind of illustrates the flaw with “strict constructionism.”

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HappyWarrior  Aug 26, 2015 • 8:45:10am

re: #411 lawhawk

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It may be over… but not for the families of those killed, the friends, colleagues, and the community. They will live with the grief and trying to come to understand what happened.

My thoughts and prayers to the community there. So many senseless killings. So little empathy to do something to stop it.

Coward.

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plansbandc  Aug 26, 2015 • 8:45:29am

It’s National Dog Day. Here’s something cute for you all:

Chiweenie in a sling sack!
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HappyWarrior  Aug 26, 2015 • 8:46:07am

re: #408 Targetpractice

Now I wish I was scheduled to work today, so I might have missed all this until I got home too tired to care.

Today was actually going to be my first day at my new job but some stuff happened and I start Monday now. This just breaks my heart.

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Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Aug 26, 2015 • 8:46:46am

re: #416 HappyWarrior

Today was actually going to be my first day at my new job but some stuff happened and I start Monday now. This just breaks my heart.

What’s the new job?

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HappyWarrior  Aug 26, 2015 • 8:47:06am

re: #412 Targetpractice

Again, the people screaming about not using these deaths to fit an “agenda” are many of the same folks who fought over who got to use Steinle’s coffin first as a soapbox for their anti-immigrant screeching.

Yep fucking hypocrites.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Aug 26, 2015 • 8:47:08am

And now it’s too soon to talk about gun control again.

It’s always too soon to talk about fewer guns, but it’s never too soon to talk about more guns.

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KiTA  Aug 26, 2015 • 8:47:55am

re: #419 Blind Frog Belly White

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Aug 26, 2015 • 8:48:03am

re: #414 HappyWarrior

Coward.

With everything he uploaded, I didn’t think it was very likely that this was going to end any other way.

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Dr Lizardo  Aug 26, 2015 • 8:48:20am

re: #415 plansbandc

I dare you not to laugh.

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Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Aug 26, 2015 • 8:48:35am

re: #411 lawhawk

BREAKING: Vester Flanagan killed himself, police said

Not surprising. Won’t face justice but he also won’t be around to cause any more pain.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 26, 2015 • 8:49:29am

re: #417 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse

What’s the new job?

Ah, it’s with a company that supplies electronics warranties. Basically, I’d be the guy that helps find the record of your transaction. Funnily enough, I am planning to use some of my paychecks to pay for a PS4.

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Targetpractice  Aug 26, 2015 • 8:50:07am

re: #419 Blind Frog Belly White

And now it’s too soon to talk about gun control again.

It’s always too soon to talk about fewer guns, but it’s never too soon to talk about more guns.

Always too soon to talk about guns, but never soon enough to talk about “black culture,” mental illness, or illegal immigration. We can’t talk about the need for fewer guns and more stringent methods of ensuring that the person buying/owning a gun is “responsible,” but we sure as fuck can talk about how all black shooters are “thugs,” white shooters are “crazy,” and brown ones are all criminals.

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jaunte  Aug 26, 2015 • 8:50:12am

Always the message. What’s wrong with these people.

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jaunte  Aug 26, 2015 • 8:50:43am

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HappyWarrior  Aug 26, 2015 • 8:50:45am

re: #422 Dr Lizardo

I dare you not to laugh.

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That looks like a real life version of the toy dog that my niece has.

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The Vicious Babushka  Aug 26, 2015 • 8:50:48am

*GRRRRR*

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FormerDirtDart  Aug 26, 2015 • 8:51:10am

re: #413 HappyWarrior

Yeah kind of illustrates the flaw with “strict constructionism.”

Well, it always seems strict constructionists never want to apply textualism to matters of the 2nd Amendment, do they.

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KiTA  Aug 26, 2015 • 8:51:30am

re: #427 jaunte

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Because it works. They’ll keep using that message until it stops working.

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jaunte  Aug 26, 2015 • 8:51:33am

re: #429 The Vicious Babushka

Never misses a chance to be horrible.

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It's on his hat!  Aug 26, 2015 • 8:51:37am

re: #429 The Vicious Babushka

*GRRRRR*

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No, but apparently, all guns matter. Always, and we can’t talk about it. Ever.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Aug 26, 2015 • 8:51:38am

re: #429 The Vicious Babushka

*GRRRRR*

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It’s like you can feel her glee that these people died so now she can use it as a “gotcha” point.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 26, 2015 • 8:52:23am

re: #426 jaunte

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Always the message. What’s wrong with these people.

They’re gunbots. What pisses me off is they shout DON’T POLITICIZE THIS to anyone who brings up guns but they say nothing to those who blame everything from homosexuality to video games and everything in between for these shootings. When’s the last time Ed said this to a religious right asshole who blamed a school shooting on the Engle v Vitale decision banning forced prayer in school.

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Dr Lizardo  Aug 26, 2015 • 8:52:25am

re: #428 HappyWarrior

That looks like a real life version of the toy dog that my niece has.

I saw one not long ago, and honest to God, I thought it was a stuffed toy until it started yipping at me.

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ObserverArt  Aug 26, 2015 • 8:52:39am

re: #411 lawhawk

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It may be over… but not for the families of those killed, the friends, colleagues, and the community. They will live with the grief and trying to come to understand what happened.

My thoughts and prayers to the community there. So many senseless killings. So little empathy to do something to stop it.

A predictable ending. This is the way they seem to end now.

Sigh.

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Franklin  Aug 26, 2015 • 8:54:05am

RE: Trump and Ramos

If this is true, that it was a Trump staffer, then he has to be fired right? Right guys? Right? Not holding my breath.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 26, 2015 • 8:54:58am

re: #436 Dr Lizardo

I saw one not long ago, and honest to God, I thought it was a stuffed toy until it started yipping at me.

Yeah heh I bet. I wonder what my niece asks her parents for first- a puppy or brother or sister. My brother and his wife have said they’re going to be one and done but I got a feeling that someone’s gonna want a brother or sister and or a puppy.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 26, 2015 • 8:55:25am

re: #438 Franklin

RE: Trump and Ramos

If this is true, that it was a Trump staffer, then he has to be fired right? Right guys? Right? Not holding my breath.

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Probably a promotion is more likely.

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The Vicious Babushka  Aug 26, 2015 • 8:55:36am

Welp I’m off to “enjoy” myself at the company picnic for 3 hours.

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FormerDirtDart  Aug 26, 2015 • 8:55:52am

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ObserverArt  Aug 26, 2015 • 8:56:14am

re: #426 jaunte

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Always the message. What’s wrong with these people.

At the rate this is going on, almost daily, there will be no time to wait.

So, it is never too soon, the next one is coming sooner.

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KiTA  Aug 26, 2015 • 8:56:50am

re: #442 FormerDirtDart

it’s an egg account. means it was just created, probably just to troll her. blocking adn banning isn’t going to do much.

also, it’s not @twitter it’s @support…

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Romantic Heretic  Aug 26, 2015 • 8:56:51am

re: #288 LastYearsMan

Every country has its crazies. But the US is so far off the rails these days, I really don’t understand how it did so well for so long. Franklin? Jefferson? Alexis de Tocqueville? They’re all so very far away.

How could a country founded on slavery and bourbon do so well for so long? Was the rest of the world just that much worse? (Then again, Britain was at its best during the gin craze, and east Asia today loves over-doing it, so maybe alcoholism is part of the secret sauce of greatness).

Actually, for much of its history America was a second rate power at best. It started its rise at the beginning of the 20th Century.

Which is the same time that Europe started to fall apart. The European Empires; Britain, Austria-Hungary, the Ottomans, Russia; were failing. Germany was on the rise. As so often in history such changes in the balance of power resulted in wars. Wars, which thanks to modern technology, were destructive beyond belief. America wasn’t really touched by these wars, and it gave American industry huge power both at home and abroad.

So after WWII most of America’s competitors were bombed flat and America was ascendant. That lasted for about a generation until America’s rivals (Germany and Japan chiefly with China coming in later) recovered from the destruction of WWII.

The Cold War managed to keep America near the top but once that was over it was difficult for America to maintain its edge.

So America’s position as the number one power is recent and brief.

Writing my thoughts on the subject brought this thought to mind. It seems to me that America is behaving much like 19th Century Europe. The balance of power is shifting and it is causing massive conflict that is weakening the country. In my opinion that isn’t surprising as America in many ways never left the 19th Century.

Also striking is how similar America’s arc is to that of Britain. At the height of its power Britain was the world’s number one manufacturing power. Then the people making money decided that factories were passé and rather beneath them. So they went into finance and lent their money to all comers. It worked for a while as interest on those loans flowed into the empire. But it meant the factories were ignored and those facilities became obsolete and inefficient. By the beginning of the 20th Century Germany and the US (which is where Britain lent most of its money) were outproducing Britain and their products were better quality.

When the wars came it meant Britain had to spend their cash to buy the weapons needed as they could no longer do so. Before WWII Britain couldn’t even make the quality steel needed for warships and tanks, the instruments needed for aircraft nor many of the firearms required. Eventually Britain had to borrow more than they had made in order to keep themselves in the conflicts.

America’s change in position is quite similar to the one that changed Britain’s.

Sorry, didn’t mean to write such a long essay. But once I start on this stuff it’s hard to get my brain to stop spewing its thoughts all over the place.

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Charles Johnson  Aug 26, 2015 • 8:57:27am

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lawhawk  Aug 26, 2015 • 8:57:29am

re: #438 Franklin

RE: Trump and Ramos

If this is true, that it was a Trump staffer, then he has to be fired right? Right guys? Right? Not holding my breath.

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Nope, expect he gets a raise and/or promotion.

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Higgs Boson's Mate  Aug 26, 2015 • 8:57:53am

re: #326 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

As you and others have pointed out, the phrase “well regulated” meant very specific things in the 18th and early 19th centuries. That said, the phrase has never in any way that I know of been used as a synonym for “skilled.” The conservatives have applied the same methods of interpretation to the Constitution that they’ve applied to the Bible with similar results: both sources prove that they’re always right.

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iossarian  Aug 26, 2015 • 8:58:30am

re: #441 The Vicious Babushka

Welp I’m off to “enjoy” myself at the company picnic for 3 hours.

Have fun. Hope none of your co-workers are disgruntled!

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jaunte  Aug 26, 2015 • 8:58:49am

Vultures all over it.

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FormerDirtDart  Aug 26, 2015 • 8:58:58am

re: #441 The Vicious Babushka

Welp I’m off to “enjoy” myself at the company picnic for 3 hours.

Mandatory Fun

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Bubblehead II  Aug 26, 2015 • 8:59:00am

re: #442 FormerDirtDart

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Twitter not taking any chances. Account has been suspended already.

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Dr. Matt  Aug 26, 2015 • 8:59:28am

re: #446 Charles Johnson

All roads lead to Benghazi.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 26, 2015 • 8:59:30am

re: #446 Charles Johnson

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That’s her being her usual nasty self. Unlike Dana, Hillary Clinton actually knew Ambassador Stevens and didn;t use him as a fucking pawn for a fake outrage campaign.

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jaunte  Aug 26, 2015 • 8:59:46am

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blueraven  Aug 26, 2015 • 9:00:00am

His twitter account has all the pics of him in younger days

One showing b-day party at pre-school age. Says as Jehovah’s Witness he was not supposed to celebrate, but Mom was cool.

Many shots focused on pecs and crotch in skimpy underwear…obviously in younger, fitter days.

Looks like he was chronicling his entire life over the past week or so.

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Targetpractice  Aug 26, 2015 • 9:00:31am

re: #450 jaunte

Vultures all over it.

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“DON’T USE THIS SHOOTING TO PUSH AN AGENDA! NOW WATCH AS WE PUSH AN AGENDA!!!”

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HappyWarrior  Aug 26, 2015 • 9:00:43am

re: #450 jaunte

Vultures all over it.

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Yep, like clockwork. Bunch of bigoted assholes there.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 26, 2015 • 9:01:06am

re: #457 Targetpractice

“DON’T USE THIS SHOOTING TO PUSH AN AGENDA! NOW WATCH AS WE PUSH AN AGENDA!!!”

Conservatism 101, my dear Watson.

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Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Aug 26, 2015 • 9:01:19am

re: #429 The Vicious Babushka

*GRRRRR*

Dana’s just a peach, isn’t she?

/

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HappyWarrior  Aug 26, 2015 • 9:01:47am

re: #456 blueraven

His twitter account has all the pics of him in younger days

One showing b-day party at pre-school age. Says as Jehovah’s Witness he was not supposed to celebrate, but Mom was cool.

Many shots focused on pecs and crotch in skimpy underwear…obviously in younger, fitter days.

Looks like he was chronicling his entire life over the past week or so.

Yeah looks like he planned this. I saw that on his Twitter too. He has a comment about him being a cute kid.

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KiTA  Aug 26, 2015 • 9:02:11am

re: #454 HappyWarrior

That’s her being her usual nasty self. Unlike Dana, Hillary Clinton actually knew Ambassador Stevens and didn;t use him as a fucking pawn for a fake outrage campaign.

I knew Sean Smith, tangentially, through EVE Online. He was the IT guy who died there.

He actually predicted what would happen that night. The last the he ever said to us was “FUCK, GUNFIRE” and disconnected.

It was always particularly fucking annoying when the wingnuts around me would try to talk about Benghazi.

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Teukka  Aug 26, 2015 • 9:03:32am

re: #317 Jenner7

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This made me cry.

Yeah. And it makes me shudder. Because it’s how it began some 80-90 years ago.
And still, Drumpfenstein supporters see no problems with this, and the Drumpfenstein campaign see no problem with not discouraging this kind of behavior.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 26, 2015 • 9:04:11am

re: #462 KiTA

I knew Sean Smith, tangentially, through EVE Online. He was the IT guy who died there.

He actually predicted what would happen that night. The last the he ever said to us was “FUCK, GUNFIRE” and disconnected.

It was always particularly fucking annoying when the wingnuts around me would try to talk about Benghazi.

That’s right. I remember now that you were the lizard that knew one of the victims. I don’t blame you at all for being annoyed by that. Stevens, Smith, and the other two victims of Benghazi are people like you, Secretary Clinton, and President Obama actually knew. The wingnuts just see them as pawns to go after Clinton and Obama which shows what kind of trash they are.

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lawhawk  Aug 26, 2015 • 9:04:21am

Yeah, that Breitbart lede/headline is on a John Nolte piece.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Aug 26, 2015 • 9:05:24am

For Alouette, as i remember one of her bags went missing in Amsterdam once.

BBC: Where does my suitcase go?
bbc.com

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Romantic Heretic  Aug 26, 2015 • 9:05:44am

re: #346 plansbandc

I think gun fuckers enjoy shootings. They get to get defensive, show off their grand constitutional knowledge, school the country about what is right and true, and generally get LOTS of attention. So much win for them.

Appalling.

Also, as I’ve noted before and in my opinion, there is a strong religious component to their reaction. They believe America can only remain strong and pure through use of firearms, even if the victims are innocent children.

The victims are literally human sacrifices.

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Jenner7  Aug 26, 2015 • 9:05:52am

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Jenner7  Aug 26, 2015 • 9:06:21am

WDBJ says gunman still alive.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 26, 2015 • 9:06:29am

re: #465 lawhawk

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Yeah, that Breitbart lede/headline is on a John Nolte piece.

Just as NR is the thinking man’s white supremacist rag, Breitbart is the perpetually enraged bigot’s rag. Really what the fuck does his race have to do with it? Somehow I doubt Johnny boy headlined that Holmes was white in Aurora or that Lanza was in Newtown. Fucking bigoted ghoul.

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Franklin  Aug 26, 2015 • 9:06:46am

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HappyWarrior  Aug 26, 2015 • 9:06:46am

re: #469 Jenner7

WDBJ says gunman still alive.

Interesting.

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Charles Johnson  Aug 26, 2015 • 9:06:48am

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KiTA  Aug 26, 2015 • 9:09:31am

re: #469 Jenner7

WDBJ says gunman still alive.

That’s conflicting with other reports (although I believe the other source was The Daily Caller?)

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HappyWarrior  Aug 26, 2015 • 9:09:45am

re: #473 Charles Johnson

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This is real race baiting and that fucker Nolte knows it. But nope conservatives aren’t racist fuckers at all. Nope just ask them, they hate everyone equally.//

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blueraven  Aug 26, 2015 • 9:09:46am

Local VA station WBDJ is reporting shooter not dead but in critical condition.

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iossarian  Aug 26, 2015 • 9:11:22am

It’s astonishing how gun crimes have become a tool of the right to prevent discussion of gun crimes.

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Franklin  Aug 26, 2015 • 9:13:59am

Humor Break:

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blueraven  Aug 26, 2015 • 9:14:26am

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HappyWarrior  Aug 26, 2015 • 9:14:47am

re: #477 iossarian

It’s astonishing how gun crimes have become a tool of the right to prevent discussion of gun crimes.

It’s so frustrating. I always find myself wondering when we ever will be able to have that conversation. I mean it when I say the first politician that seriously takes on the gun lobby is going to get a lot of my support. The NRA and GOA have poisoned any reasonable conversation we could have on gun violence by bullying and harassing anyone who dares to talk about this problem.

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ObserverArt  Aug 26, 2015 • 9:14:50am

Why wouldn’t Breitbart make this all about race?

This is what TRUMP has done for them.

Let ‘er rip…The Donald does.

And I have a feeling this is only going to get worse. It is open racist season.

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wrenchwench  Aug 26, 2015 • 9:17:04am

re: #473 Charles Johnson

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If a person’s intention were to incite a bloody ‘race war’, that’s how they would act.

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lawhawk  Aug 26, 2015 • 9:17:13am

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Kid A  Aug 26, 2015 • 9:19:23am

Limbaugh: “Journalists’ Lives Matter.”

Fuck you.

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Dr. Matt  Aug 26, 2015 • 9:20:51am

Ugh. I just saw Bryce William’s gopro video. I feel absolutely nauseous. I highly recommend to anyone to not let your curiosity get the best of you.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 26, 2015 • 9:21:29am

re: #484 Kid A

Limbaugh: “Journalists’ Lives Matter.”

Fuck you.

Seriously. Go fuck yourself Rush. No one is trying to rationalize these two people being murdered or suggest that their killer shouldn’t be tried (if he’s still alive). OTOH when black people are killed by cops, the cops aren’t even fucking indicted so you can stop this fucking crap you fucking fuck.

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Jenner7  Aug 26, 2015 • 9:22:13am

I saw the first video he put out and that was enough for me. I refuse to watch his snuff film. Fuck him.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 26, 2015 • 9:22:24am

re: #485 klys (maker of Silmarils)

/sigh

Schilling just meant extremist Muslims, guys.

And also, it’s totally the fault of the reporter for being rude and asking questions, and the other reporters were probably just as irritated with him.

Your dead thread last comment roundup.

He’s an idiot. He really shouldn’t talk about things he clearly he has no idea what he’s talking about. Stick to talking baseball Curt and I’ll listen but you’re an absolute idiot on anything else.

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Decatur Deb  Aug 26, 2015 • 9:22:37am

re: #369 Joe Bacon

This isn’t the country I knew when I was a kid. It’s gotten a lot nastier…

No. We just have better interconnectivity.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Aug 26, 2015 • 9:22:41am

re: #486 Dr. Matt

Ugh. I just saw Bryce William’s gopro video. I feel absolutely nauseous. I highly recommend to anyone to not let your curiosity get the best of you.

He deliberately posted it in public, knowing that it was the best way to get people to pay attention to him.

I will not give him the satisfaction.

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Dr. Matt  Aug 26, 2015 • 9:22:54am

re: #484 Kid A

Limbaugh: “Journalists’ Lives Matter.”

Fuck you.

Unless they are female journalists who are bleeding out of their whatevers.

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De Kolta Chair  Aug 26, 2015 • 9:23:07am

Stay positive, Canada!

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Eclectic Cyborg  Aug 26, 2015 • 9:23:28am

re: #451 FormerDirtDart

Mandatory Fun

There quite a spat at a company I worked at several years ago that scheduled a “mandatory company picnic” on a Sunday (we didn’t work Sundays). So that was issue enough, but the big problem was they came up with some bullshit explanation as to why, even though we were effectively having to “come in” on our off day for the Sunday event, they didn’t have to pay us.

Needless to say, many employees consulted lawyers over this and the company quickly backed down.

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calochortus  Aug 26, 2015 • 9:23:54am

re: #485 klys (maker of Silmarils)

Thanks for sharing.
/
With that, I think I’ll get an early start on Fall Cleaning™ by cleaning the kitchen cupboards. Of which we have too many. (First World problem there.) Maybe I can get rid of some stuff while I’m getting rid of the dust.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 26, 2015 • 9:24:01am

re: #493 De Kolta Chair

Stay positive, Canada!

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Agh. Sorry can’t like this. If my Orioles don’t make it, I’m rooting for the Pirates to win it all.

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ObserverArt  Aug 26, 2015 • 9:24:16am

re: #486 Dr. Matt

Ugh. I just saw Bryce William’s gopro video. I feel absolutely nauseous. I highly recommend to anyone to not let your curiosity get the best of you.

So, there is even more video? The one up on Twitter that I unfortunately saw seemed to be in a cell phone “tall” format. Did he have a GoPro strapped to his chest too?

498
CuriousLurker  Aug 26, 2015 • 9:24:32am

re: #486 Dr. Matt

Ugh. I just saw Bryce William’s gopro video. I feel absolutely nauseous. I highly recommend to anyone to not let your curiosity get the best of you.

Ugh, yeah, seconded. I just heard about this and saw the video over at CNN.

499
iossarian  Aug 26, 2015 • 9:24:56am

re: #490 Decatur Deb

No. We just have better interconnectivity.

This is sort of true but I also think there’s evidence (maybe only anecdotal?) that the interconnectivity has pushed more people to espouse extremist views. The anonymity of Twitter being the gateway drug to actually yelling at brown-skinned citizens to “go home”.

500
Decatur Deb  Aug 26, 2015 • 9:25:47am

re: #446 Charles Johnson

Here’s @DLoesch focusing on the important issues.

Just Loesch staying on task. Gotta admire the RW work ethic.

501
klys (maker of Silmarils)  Aug 26, 2015 • 9:25:48am

re: #498 CuriousLurker

Ugh, yeah, seconded. I just heard about this and saw the video over at CNN.

I refuse to go there today. Nope. Our media has proven themselves happy to play snuff films before, and I refuse to support it.

502
Eclectic Cyborg  Aug 26, 2015 • 9:26:39am

my FB feed is already getting filled with morons who are like:

Why didn’t the reporter have a gun????

Imagine, if you will, living in a country where every on air reporter was openly carrying a gun…ugh

503
HappyWarrior  Aug 26, 2015 • 9:26:55am

I am not going to watch the second film. Watched the first one right before he fires and that was tough as is.

504
Decatur Deb  Aug 26, 2015 • 9:27:33am

re: #499 iossarian

This is sort of true but I also think there’s evidence (maybe only anecdotal?) that the interconnectivity has pushed more people to espouse extremist views. The anonymity of Twitter being the gateway drug to actually yelling at brown-skinned citizens to “go home”.

Google “Claude Neal Lynching”.

505
Higgs Boson's Mate  Aug 26, 2015 • 9:28:07am

re: #490 Decatur Deb

No. We just have better interconnectivity.

Having grown up during the Fifties I can assure you that offhand mean spiritedness and bigotry overlaid with bone-deep fear were present a hell of a lot more than poodle skirts or 45 RPM records. Those things were rarely mentioned because they were as much a part of the environment as the air we breathed.

506
KiTA  Aug 26, 2015 • 9:28:52am

re: #497 ObserverArt

He split the video into two on twitter, but left it as one (I think) longer one on Facebook.

The first is him walking up to them, ending with him calling the lady bitch under his breath. That second video was… I really wish I hadn’t seen it.

I’m gonna deck the first “Virginia Truther” who tries to call out any conspiracy “facts” about it. “Oh the special effects are so fake, you have to be a sheep to fall for it, yadda yadda.”

507
De Kolta Chair  Aug 26, 2015 • 9:28:53am

re: #496 HappyWarrior

Agh. Sorry can’t like this. If my Orioles don’t make it, I’m rooting for the Pirates to win it all.

I’d gladly swap your Orioles’ .496 for my Red Sox’s .452! ;-)

508
Dr. Matt  Aug 26, 2015 • 9:28:54am

re: #497 ObserverArt

So, there is even more video? The one up on Twitter that I unfortunately saw seemed to be in a cell phone “tall” format. Did he have a GoPro strapped to his chest too?

Probably the same video. The description I read was that it was gopro. Could be a cell phone.

509
HappyWarrior  Aug 26, 2015 • 9:29:09am

re: #502 Eclectic Cyborg

my FB feed is already getting filled with morons who are like:

Why didn’t the reporter have a gun????

Imagine, if you will, living in a country where every on air reporter was openly carrying a gun…ugh

I mean even if she was, do these people seriously think that she was going to get the jump. There have been people who own tons of guns who have been murdered at their homes before by an individual with a single gun. Getting someone with a gun is all about time which is if you read the CMOH citations of people like Sgt York, you’ll see that they were able to capture large numbers of Germans. God these people are fucking helpless. Sorry, I know they’re probably your friends and coworkers but goddamn a gun wouldn’t have helped this poor woman and her cameraman.

510
Dr. Matt  Aug 26, 2015 • 9:30:41am

Twitter has already taken down the @Bryce_williams7 account.

511
Targetpractice  Aug 26, 2015 • 9:30:44am

re: #502 Eclectic Cyborg

my FB feed is already getting filled with morons who are like:

Why didn’t the reporter have a gun????

Imagine, if you will, living in a country where every on air reporter was openly carrying a gun…ugh

Because that’s the nation we want to live in, where everybody is armed and paranoid about everybody else being armed.

/////

512
HappyWarrior  Aug 26, 2015 • 9:31:02am

re: #507 De Kolta Chair

I’ll gladly swap your Orioles’s .496 over my Red Sox’s .452! ;-)

And I’ll gladly take the Sox three championships since 2004 hehe. But sorry to hear about Farrell having cancer. That just sucks.

513
iossarian  Aug 26, 2015 • 9:31:03am

re: #504 Decatur Deb

Google “Claude Neal Lynching”.

I would definitely agree to the thesis that the level of extremist violence has gone down a lot since the middle of the 20th century.

What we’re going through at the moment feels like an attempt to reverse course. I guess the question is whether we’re at an all-time low, still going down, whatever.

Maybe we are given the increasing tolerance of gay rights, “racial mixing” and what have you.

514
HappyWarrior  Aug 26, 2015 • 9:31:48am

re: #511 Targetpractice

Because that’s the nation we want to live in, where everybody is armed and paranoid about everybody else being armed.

/////

That’s the nation the gun fuckers want. If we ever had such a nation, I think I’d move to Canada, the UK, or Ireland.

515
Higgs Boson's Mate  Aug 26, 2015 • 9:32:19am

re: #509 HappyWarrior

I was in a place where nearly everyone routinely carried the kinds of weapons that the gun nuts can only dream about. People were still killed, often with their guns right in their hands.

516
Decatur Deb  Aug 26, 2015 • 9:32:25am

re: #513 iossarian

I would definitely agree to the thesis that the level of extremist violence has gone down a lot since the middle of the 20th century.

What we’re going through at the moment feels like an attempt to reverse course. I guess the question is whether we’re at an all-time low, still going down, whatever.

Maybe we are given the increasing tolerance of gay rights, “racial mixing” and what have you.

We are watching the anti-human shitsticks lose. Did you think they’d go quietly?

517
Jenner7  Aug 26, 2015 • 9:32:42am

I’ve already reported two FB posts with the video. What are they thinking?!?

518
ObserverArt  Aug 26, 2015 • 9:33:27am

re: #510 Dr. Matt

Twitter has already taken down the @Bryce_williams7 account.

That happened fairly fast. I saw the video and about a minute later the account was suspended. They must have gotten tipped it was up there pretty fast. Thankfully.

Of course, there are probably copies of it already…the ‘net.

519
Dr. Matt  Aug 26, 2015 • 9:34:18am

re: #502 Eclectic Cyborg

my FB feed is already getting filled with morons who are like:

Why didn’t the reporter have a gun????

Imagine, if you will, living in a country where every on air reporter was openly carrying a gun…ugh

If all three people were armed, how would have they changed the situation? He ambushed them. Jebus. Idiots.

520
HappyWarrior  Aug 26, 2015 • 9:34:21am

re: #515 Higgs Boson’s Mate

I was in a place where nearly everyone routinely carried the kinds of weapons that the gun nuts can only dream about. People were still killed, often with their guns right in their hands.

Right. These people don’t have a clue what they’re fucking talking about. Sigh. It’s like it’s a trigger. “Oh they didn’t have a gun, they should have had one.” She was doing a fucking interview when Flanagan/Williams shot her, even if she did, I’d be shocked if she would have been able to retrieve the weapon and fire. These people think this is a video game.

521
jaunte  Aug 26, 2015 • 9:35:00am

May 4, 2013:

Senators who voted against a bipartisan amendment expanding background checks for firearm purchased at gun shows and online refused this week to meet with families impacted by gun violence, citing scheduling conflicts or ignoring requests altogether.
thinkprogress.org

522
Eclectic Cyborg  Aug 26, 2015 • 9:35:21am

re: #519 Dr. Matt

If all three people were armed, how would have they changed the situation? He ambushed them. Jebus. Idiots.

EXACTLY.

523
HappyWarrior  Aug 26, 2015 • 9:35:41am

re: #519 Dr. Matt

If all three people were armed, how would have they changed the situation? He ambushed them. Jebus. Idiots.

Yeah he saw that they were filming an interview and snuck behind them. And if he had anticipated her being armed, I bet he would have shot her from a distance. Allison and her cameraman being armed wouldn’t have prevented this and these idiots know that but they’re little gun bots.

524
HappyWarrior  Aug 26, 2015 • 9:36:10am

re: #521 jaunte

May 4, 2013:

Dicks.

525
ObserverArt  Aug 26, 2015 • 9:36:11am

re: #515 Higgs Boson’s Mate

I was in a place where nearly everyone routinely carried the kinds of weapons that the gun nuts can only dream about. People were still killed, often with their guns right in their hands.

I wish there was a way you could depict that on huge video boards all over this country to get that point across.

526
klys (maker of Silmarils)  Aug 26, 2015 • 9:36:25am

527
CuriousLurker  Aug 26, 2015 • 9:40:14am

Since klys just mentioned Schilling, I wanted to say that my reason for dropping in right now is to say that I was unaware of Rep. Peter King’s tweet on the matter yesterday evening. I wasn’t surprised at all because I had spent a little time earlier that same afternoon looking up how many times he’s called for (increased) surveillance of Muslim Americans (it turns out he does it every time an attack happens here or in Europe).

Anyway, when I first saw King’s comment earlier this morning I was pissed, but then felt much better when I saw that several lizards had almost immediately pushed back. Thank you for that—you guys help me maintain my faith in humanity.

528
Franklin  Aug 26, 2015 • 9:40:30am

Fuck this shit, I’m going for a walk. Going to catch up on the Bob & Chez (and Charles) show and hopefully get a few giggles in today.

529
Bubblehead II  Aug 26, 2015 • 9:41:09am

re: #517 Jenner7

I’ve already reported two FB posts with the video. What are they thinking?!?

They’re not. I have already warned people not to contaminate my FB and Twitter time lines with those videos.

530
The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Aug 26, 2015 • 9:41:50am

re: #511 Targetpractice

Because that’s the nation we want to live in, where everybody is armed and paranoid about everybody else being armed.

/////

Remember Clarice Starling in the basement when the lights went out? Her gun out, not knowing where to point it, but knowing danger was closing in? That’s how they want everybody to live 24/7/365.

531
HappyWarrior  Aug 26, 2015 • 9:44:17am

re: #527 CuriousLurker

Since klys just mentioned Schilling, I wanted to say that my reason for dropping in right now is to say that I was unaware of Rep. Peter King’s tweet on the matter yesterday evening. I wasn’t surprised at all because I had spent a little time earlier that same afternoon looking up how many times he called for surveillance of Muslim Americans (it turns out he does it every time an attack happens here or in Europe).

Anyway, when I first saw King’s comment earlier this morning I was pissed, but then felt much better when I saw that several lizards had almost immediately pushed back. Thank you for that—you guys help me maintain my faith in humanity.

Embedded Image

It’s great knowing people have your back. I don’t do Twitter but I assure you if I did, I would have been there with them. Hell though regarding the Dixie Chicks, what they said was tame compared to what Schilling said but yet they were pretty much blacklisted by the country music establishment. Schilling I think will be back on ESPN in no time.

532
HappyWarrior  Aug 26, 2015 • 9:45:06am

re: #530 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

Remember Clarice Starling in the basement when the lights went out? Her gun out, not knowing where to point it, but knowing danger was closing in? That’s how they want everybody to live 24/7/365.

Yep. They want a world where you pull out your gun over the tiniest dispute and if someone gets killed, hey they were exercising their rights,//

533
klys (maker of Silmarils)  Aug 26, 2015 • 9:47:14am

Out to sacrifice another out of my day to the recumbent bike.

534
lawhawk  Aug 26, 2015 • 9:47:36am

re: #530 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

535
iossarian  Aug 26, 2015 • 9:48:15am

re: #530 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

Remember Clarice Starling in the basement when the lights went out? Her gun out, not knowing where to point it, but knowing danger was closing in? That’s how they want everybody to live 24/7/365.

Since we’re reasoning by film analogy (a good decision btw) I will simply go with: “Terrible thing, to live in fear.”

536
Timothy Watson  Aug 26, 2015 • 9:48:24am

Shitbag is still alive but in “extremely critical condition” after self-inflicted gunshot and a vehicle crash (not sure of the order of events).

537
Romantic Heretic  Aug 26, 2015 • 9:49:30am

re: #532 HappyWarrior

Now thinking of this cartoon by Tom Tomorrow.

538
Teukka  Aug 26, 2015 • 9:50:16am

re: #536 Timothy Watson

Shitbag is still alive but in “extremely critical condition” after self-inflicted gunshot and a vehicle crash (not sure of the order of events).

WDBJ Shitbag?

539
HappyWarrior  Aug 26, 2015 • 9:50:57am

re: #538 Teukka

WDBJ Shitbag?

Yeah.

540
Timothy Watson  Aug 26, 2015 • 9:51:39am

re: #538 Teukka

WDBJ Shitbag?

Yes.

541
Archangelus  Aug 26, 2015 • 9:54:26am

re: #536 Timothy Watson

Shitbag is still alive but in “extremely critical condition” after self-inflicted gunshot and a vehicle crash (not sure of the order of events).

According to a local report, first the latter, then the former… and given what i know about the categorization of ‘critical’ conditions, let alone ‘extremely critical’, I give his survival chances at approximately 0.0001%…

542
HappyWarrior  Aug 26, 2015 • 9:55:19am

re: #537 Romantic Heretic

Now thinking of this cartoon by Tom Tomorrow.

Heh I was thinking of an early 2000’s Onion article about the NRA praising a 9 year old boy who accidentally shot himself. That’s actually a pretty good illustration of the point though. There’s a stupid cartoon that VB has posted before of the hijackers being “surprised” by the passengers on the 9/11 airplanes with guns. Well if guns were allowed on planes and thank heavens they are not, the 9/11 terrorists would have had them too. I mean gun violence is all about getting the jump on someone. It’s as i said how when you read CMOH reports, the individual sometimes captures dozens of enemy forces who are of course armed too. You could have all the guns in the world but if someone gets the jump on you, you’re done.

543
CuriousLurker  Aug 26, 2015 • 9:56:00am

Great, we’re barely past lunch time and now this:

Too depressing—I’m out. Maybe I’ll try again later.

544
Timothy Watson  Aug 26, 2015 • 9:56:36am

re: #541 Archangelus

According to a local report, first the latter, then the former… and given what i know about the categorization of ‘critical’ conditions, let alone ‘extremely critical’, I give his survival chances at approximately 0.0001%…

Yeah, it’s probably the police covering their asses and don’t want to be accused of leaving the guy to bleed out with no medical attention, so they let the EMTs take him to the hospital and declare him dead.

545
Archangelus  Aug 26, 2015 • 9:57:43am

Now in today’s “things are too disturbing and depressing, need something amusing” segment of the show:

Accurate Trump Depiction

(courtesy of the talented JollyJack)

546
blueraven  Aug 26, 2015 • 9:58:08am

Get out of MY country!

547
Dave In Austin  Aug 26, 2015 • 9:58:48am

re: #545 Archangelus

Now in today’s “things are too disturbing and depressing, need something amusing” segment of the show:

Embedded Image

Thank you

548
iossarian  Aug 26, 2015 • 9:59:15am

Please, please, GOP primary voters, please nominate Trump.

549
HappyWarrior  Aug 26, 2015 • 9:59:47am

re: #548 iossarian

Please, please, GOP primary voters, please nominate Trump.

Make Cruz his running mate too.

550
Decatur Deb  Aug 26, 2015 • 10:04:16am

re: #543 CuriousLurker

Great, we’re barely past lunch time and now this:

[Embedded content]

Too depressing—I’m out. Maybe I’ll try again later.

That’s yesterday, if it helps.

551
FormerDirtDart  Aug 26, 2015 • 10:04:28am

552
Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 26, 2015 • 10:06:01am

In Kentucky right now:

553
Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 26, 2015 • 10:07:17am

554
Archangelus  Aug 26, 2015 • 10:07:25am

re: #547 Dave In Austin

Thank you

You’re most welcome - figured I shouldn’t be the only one to enjoy that gem, especially today…

The artist who made it rarely does political stuff, but released that a few hours ago after his previous work from a couple of days back also took the internet by a bit of a storm…

555
Archangelus  Aug 26, 2015 • 10:08:22am

Sigh… bad news, terrible news, good news, more terrible news, and more bad news… It’s official, Wednesdays suck….

556
wrenchwench  Aug 26, 2015 • 10:08:30am

[…]

Robinson had been active in voter registration in the 1930s and became a symbol of the brutality of Bloody Sunday when she and other marchers were beaten on the Edmund Pettus Bridge in Selma on March 7, 1965. Boynton was beaten unconscious by state troopers and photographs of her lying on the road were published around the world.

“To me she was a hero,” Bowser said. “She was fearless. We had the Ku Klux Klan shooting in our windows, throwing rocks, calling, threatening to bomb the house. She would say, well, they’re afraid of us. She was calm. She took it in stride.”

[…]

“We stood in front of the TV and watched the beatdown,” Bowser said. “We couldn’t do anything to help our mother. I don’t think the beatdown in the movie came close to the beatdown we saw in black-and-white on TV.”

[…]

557
Archangelus  Aug 26, 2015 • 10:09:39am

Huh, in today’s category of “you learn something new every day” - Apparently “Trump” is slang in the UK for “fart”.

Seems appropriate really..

558
KiTA  Aug 26, 2015 • 10:09:42am

re: #554 Archangelus

Woo, Jollyjack. I love his webcomic. Wish it updated more often. =/

559
wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Aug 26, 2015 • 10:10:39am

Dim Jim is on what’s most important in today’s news. //

560
lawhawk  Aug 26, 2015 • 10:11:38am

561
Archangelus  Aug 26, 2015 • 10:13:09am

re: #558 KiTA

Woo, Jollyjack. I love his webcomic. Wish it updated more often. =/

Yeah me too.. Used to be it was updated on a fairly weekly schedule, but it’s been more erratic since the start of the year - first update in almost a month went up yesterday (though he’s also bringing his “How to Play” series of comics back now, first new one in more than a year)..

562
Teukka  Aug 26, 2015 • 10:13:14am

re: #559 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

Dim Jim is on what’s most important in today’s news. //

[Embedded content]

One one hand, I’m curious about what spin the right wing will have on this, but on the other, I do know it will be racist, question is how racist.

I propose the right wing be renamed “reich wing”. All in favor? *ducks*

563
Timothy Watson  Aug 26, 2015 • 10:13:32am

re: #560 lawhawk

[Embedded content]

Part of a broader wave of Europhobia in the United States.

564
wrenchwench  Aug 26, 2015 • 10:13:36am

re: #546 blueraven

Get out of MY country!

[Embedded content]

565
The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Aug 26, 2015 • 10:14:25am

re: #481 ObserverArt

Why wouldn’t Breitbart make this all about race?

This is what TRUMP has done for them.

Let ‘er rip…The Donald does.

And I have a feeling this is only going to get worse. It is open racist season.

It’s only going to get worse and worse. I fully expect Black and Latino or look-like-they-could-be-Latino voters to be gunned down at polling places next Election Day. You read it here first.

566
Teukka  Aug 26, 2015 • 10:14:33am

re: #563 Timothy Watson

Part of a broader wave of Europhobia in the United States.

Not to mention severe delusions about the conditions here.

567
wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Aug 26, 2015 • 10:15:43am

re: #564 wrenchwench

[Embedded content]

Spanish speaking people have lived in North America longer than Anglos.

568
wrenchwench  Aug 26, 2015 • 10:16:28am

re: #567 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

Spanish speaking people have lived in North America longer than Anglos.

Even in what is now the USA.

569
Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Aug 26, 2015 • 10:17:23am

re: #543 CuriousLurker

Great, we’re barely past lunch time and now this:

Too depressing—I’m out. Maybe I’ll try again later.

Yesterday. Two more shootings today.

570
wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Aug 26, 2015 • 10:17:24am

re: #568 wrenchwench

Even in what is now the USA.

Claro que sí

571
Timothy Watson  Aug 26, 2015 • 10:17:41am

re: #568 wrenchwench

Even in what is now the USA.

People seem to forget that Spain controlled Louisiana for 40 years.

572
The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Aug 26, 2015 • 10:19:27am

re: #557 Archangelus

Huh, in today’s category of “you learn something new every day” - Apparently “Trump” is slang in the UK for “fart”.

Seems appropriate really..

I remember reading a book about Paul McReady’s Gossamer Albatross flying the English Channel. Apparently “gossamer” means “condom” over there, so there was a certain amount of embarrassment in reporting its name. One reporter, on being told its predecessor, the Kremer Prize winner Gossamer Condor, was affectionately known as the Gossamer Condom, he said, “There’s no way I can print that!”

573
wrenchwench  Aug 26, 2015 • 10:20:34am

re: #571 Timothy Watson

People seem to forget that Spain controlled Louisiana for 40 years.

Santa Fe, New Mexico was founded by the invaders in 1610. It’s the oldest state capitol in the US. People were already living there, but they didn’t speak Spanish yet.

574
No Country For Old Haters  Aug 26, 2015 • 10:24:57am

re: #148 The Vicious Babushka

Last night it was “every 93 seconds” but they amplified that dog whistle

[Embedded content]

575
GlutenFreeJesus  Aug 26, 2015 • 10:25:32am

re: #569 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse

Way more than two. These are just the ones getting attention

576
Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 26, 2015 • 10:26:42am

577
Decatur Deb  Aug 26, 2015 • 10:30:31am

re: #568 wrenchwench

Even in what is now the USA.

Spain (loosely) ran parts of Alabama from 1535 to 1812.

578
No Country For Old Haters  Aug 26, 2015 • 10:40:28am

re: #266 The Vicious Babushka

And what would we do without the Gun Control Godwins?

[Embedded content]

579
No Country For Old Haters  Aug 26, 2015 • 10:41:21am

re: #562 Teukka

One one hand, I’m curious about what spin the right wing will have on this, but on the other, I do know it will be racist, question is how racist.

I propose the right wing be renamed “reich wing”. All in favor? *ducks*

White-wing also works.

580
teleskiguy  Aug 26, 2015 • 10:50:55am

re: #387 KiTA

Your apology rings hollow. You’re not worthy of LGF.


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