Long Beach City College Professor Applauds Terror Attack on Planned Parenthood

Right wing blogger/professor openly praises anti-choice terrorism
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Dr. Donald Douglas is a professor, employed by California’s Long Beach City College in their Department of Political Science:

Donald Kent Douglas joined the Department of Political Science at Long Beach City College in Fall 2000. He earned his M.A. and Ph.D. from the University of California, Santa Barbara, and his B.A. from the California State University, Fresno. He teaches Introduction to American Government, Comparative Government, and World Politics at LBCC and is active in a number of college service committees on campus. In addition to his teaching and research in political science, Dr. Douglas enjoys hiking, walks on the beach, and reading works of historical fiction and international intrigue. He is married with two sons.

And tonight at his “American Power” blog, Professor Douglas is openly applauding a terror attack on a Planned Parenthood office in Washington.

American Power: Planned Parenthood in Pullman, Washington, Hit by Arson Attack (VIDEO)

This is not good, especially if anyone was hurt, but if it prevents Planned Parenthood from killing more babies, then I’m not going to sweat it.

Some people are going to meet leftist terrorism with more terror. Yep, I said it: Planned Parenthood deserves to be scared.

A screenshot, in case Prof. Douglas deletes it:

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319 comments
1
b_sharp  Sep 5, 2015 • 7:18:40pm

This is what happens when a wingnut tries to get intellectual.

2
jaunte  Sep 5, 2015 • 7:25:56pm
“…Although Republicans are not openly soliciting criminal activity against Planned Parenthood or abortion providers, they are as guilty as the fanatics calling for murder in god’s name. Republicans need to be held accountable for the rash of threats, arsons, and pro-life maniacs harassing doctors at their homes. Republicans are well aware that abortion is legal, tissue donation is legal, and that the edited videos created and released by pro-life activists are phony. Still, they have incited the religious base to violent threats by claiming Planned Parenthood is committing criminal activity by donating fetal tissue for medical research with the woman’s consent and according to a law they passed in 1998.”
politicususa.com
3
scottslemmons  Sep 5, 2015 • 7:26:10pm

He’s got a long, long history of saying demented stuff. I’ve always assumed he’s either got blackmail material on the college president or the college has an enrollment of about four students, so no one actually cares…

4
William Lewis  Sep 5, 2015 • 7:28:26pm

Yet another right wing thug willing to force his beliefs on everyone else.

5
No Depression  Sep 5, 2015 • 7:30:15pm

That kind of rhetoric from a professor is completely unacceptable. Unfortunately, he’s full-time faculty which means it might be difficult for the college to terminate his contract. I’d like to see students disrupt every class he teaches until he resigns. My brain tells me this might be counterproductive but my heart wants to take the fight to these fuckers.

6
The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Sep 5, 2015 • 7:32:49pm

Donny used to come and troll the comments at Sadly, No! whenever they’d skewer one of his demented pronouncements. He’s a piece of work, all right.

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Dark_Falcon  Sep 5, 2015 • 7:33:53pm

re: #3 scottslemmons

He’s got a long, long history of saying demented stuff. I’ve always assumed he’s either got blackmail material on the college president or the college has an enrollment of about four students, so no one actually cares…

Must be the former, since Wikipedia says that Long Beach City College has an enrollment of 24,653. And it serves 2 other cities (Lakewood, and Signal Hill) as well Santa Catalina island.

This isn’t a tiny place place, so they must have other reasons for keeping this fruitcake around.

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freetoken  Sep 5, 2015 • 7:38:12pm

The rhetoric around Planned Parenthood is as heated now as ever.

They are the target of not just what they actually do, but have become the scapegoat by the religious right for all the social changes of the past 50 years.

If you read the blogs and news stories attacking PP it is pretty clear that there is a great deal of pent up fear and anger. I do not belive this is just over abortion but the bigger question which the religious right does not want to have answered, at least in manner out of their control.

It is this: Is a human -
1) a magical being that only temporarily inhabits a shell; or
2) a colony of cells that eventually becomes self-aware/sentient for a period before it dies.

By saying abortion is ok, which our society does by a small margin, we are saying that humans are not magical beings.

I can’t emphasize this enough - the religious right opposes abortion not just because it is abortion but because the underlying message that humans are animals like the other animals. This runs counter to their entire belief system.

To accept that we are but temporary consciousness, that we will indeed cease to exist because we, that is, our identity that is self-aware, can only be so due to about a trillion neural connections interacting electro-chemically, is anathema to their entire belief that they will live forever.

There is a great deal of angst out there about the “post” part of post-Christianity towards which our society is headed.

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William Lewis  Sep 5, 2015 • 7:38:19pm

re: #7 Dark_Falcon

A token Nazi? An affirmative action fascist? < whistles innocently >

/////////////////

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Teukka  Sep 5, 2015 • 7:40:06pm

re: #9 William Lewis

A token Nazi? An affirmative action fascist? < whistles innocently >

/////////////////

A quota Nationalist? ///

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goddamnedfrank  Sep 5, 2015 • 7:41:39pm

Long Beach is right on the border of the Fucktardia that is Orange County. For instance the anti-semitic smegma elemental better known as Kevin B. MacDonald taught at Cal State Long Beach.

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William Lewis  Sep 5, 2015 • 7:43:18pm

re: #8 freetoken

I can’t emphasize this enough - the religious right opposes abortion not just because it is abortion but because the underlying message that humans are animals like the other animals. This runs counter to their entire belief system.

As a believer, I have made more than a little kerfluffle around me by asking when we became human enough to wonder about God? Australopithecus? H. Habilis? H. Erectus? I tend to think pretty early on, Australopithecus at the latest.

I should get a bumper sticker saying “Adam was an Australopithecus” just for the laughs.

Or maybe “Adam was a Homo ….. Habilis” ?

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Teukka  Sep 5, 2015 • 7:43:46pm

re: #11 goddamnedfrank

Long Beach is right on the border of the Fucktardia that is Orange County. For instance the anti-semitic smegma elemental better known as Kevin B. MacDonald taught at Cal State Long Beach.

Please… You’re insulting smegma!

14
Belafon  Sep 5, 2015 • 7:46:31pm

re: #12 William Lewis

“All my ancestors were homo…erectus.”

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Amory Blaine  Sep 5, 2015 • 7:47:00pm

re: #11 goddamnedfrank

He went to Fresno.

16
Amory Blaine  Sep 5, 2015 • 7:49:51pm

Give me, your dirty love.
Like some tacky little pamphlet in your daddy’s bottom drawer.

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jaunte  Sep 5, 2015 • 7:50:27pm

re: #15 Amory Blaine

He went to Fresno.

Is that a California euphemism?

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Amory Blaine  Sep 5, 2015 • 7:50:51pm

re: #17 jaunte

Probably.

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Dark_Falcon  Sep 5, 2015 • 7:54:29pm

re: #11 goddamnedfrank

Long Beach is right on the border of the Fucktardia that is Orange County. For instance the anti-semitic smegma elemental better known as Kevin B. MacDonald taught at Cal State Long Beach.

That kind of Elemental operated Battle Armor is called a Salamander. It’s immune to fire-based weapons, so its best to load up on Medium Pulse Lasers to kill them.

/Battletech Gamer Geek

20
BeachDem  Sep 5, 2015 • 7:59:17pm

Hmmm. While checking my wireless connection on my BlueRay, when the list of nearby networks list came up, one was FBI Surveillance, and another was FBI Surveillance Van. Wonder what that’s all about.

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Romantic Heretic  Sep 5, 2015 • 8:02:02pm

re: #20 BeachDem

Hmmm. While checking my wireless connection on my BlueRay, when the list of nearby networks list came up, one was FBI Surveillance, and another was FBI Surveillance Van. Wonder what that’s all about.

That’s a way for computer geeks to fuck with people’s heads.

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calochortus  Sep 5, 2015 • 8:02:05pm

re: #17 jaunte

Is that a California euphemism?

Fresno is the belly button of California…

23
Romantic Heretic  Sep 5, 2015 • 8:02:33pm

re: #22 calochortus

Lint and all.

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allegro  Sep 5, 2015 • 8:03:23pm

re: #20 BeachDem

Hmmm. While checking my wireless connection on my BlueRay, when the list of nearby networks list came up, one was FBI Surveillance, and another was FBI Surveillance Van. Wonder what that’s all about.

One would think they’d have a code name or something.

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The War TARDIS  Sep 5, 2015 • 8:03:50pm

re: #21 Romantic Heretic

While funny, I can’t help but wonder if doing this sort of thing will get someone in trouble. I swear I heard a story about some idiot at an Airport naming his Wi-Fi something felonious.

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Joe Bacon  Sep 5, 2015 • 8:11:26pm

Wow. I just looked at what he teaches and his syllabus…

burkeanreflections.blogspot.com

Reminds me of when I was studying economics 40 years ago and several of my professors at Pitt were really into Murray Rothbard’s Anarcho-Capitalism. The libertarians in the Econ department had an ongoing feud about Hospers vs. Rothbard…

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BeachDem  Sep 5, 2015 • 8:11:36pm

re: #21 Romantic Heretic

That’s a way for computer geeks to fuck with people’s heads.

re: #24 allegro

One would think they’d have a code name or something.

Well, at least they were password protected (and didn’t have very strong signals.) I’d just never seen those come up before on the list (some of my neighbors have strange login names) and thought it was odd.

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Chankobun  Sep 5, 2015 • 8:12:50pm

re: #11 goddamnedfrank

Long Beach is right on the border of the Fucktardia that is Orange County. For instance the anti-semitic smegma elemental better known as Kevin B. MacDonald taught at Cal State Long Beach.

I’d just like to make sure everyone sees that phrase. It’s that good.

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Great White Snark  Sep 5, 2015 • 8:12:55pm

re: #20 BeachDem

Hmmm. While checking my wireless connection on my BlueRay, when the list of nearby networks list came up, one was FBI Surveillance, and another was FBI Surveillance Van. Wonder what that’s all about.

We got EdSnowden but the idiot forgot to add a security key.

30
The Ghost of a Flea  Sep 5, 2015 • 8:14:03pm

The Satan-selling con-men are boring. Their Satan-buying audience is fascinating.

Fred Clark has a lot of articles about this concept of “baby killers” and why it’s so popular. I recommend….all of them, actually.

It ties in to the thinking behind this kind of comment: if the “other” is sufficiently bad, then anything can be justified. It’s an especially ugly rhetorical scheme when the matter is spiritual. If you’re protecting a soul, then what happens to transitory material bodies isn’t important.

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Mentis Fugit  Sep 5, 2015 • 8:14:49pm

re: #20 BeachDem

Hmmm. While checking my wireless connection on my BlueRay, when the list of nearby networks list came up, one was FBI Surveillance, and another was FBI Surveillance Van. Wonder what that’s all about.

They’re everywhere!
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bratwurst  Sep 5, 2015 • 8:15:30pm

This has to be one of the greatest moments ever captured on video…the night one of the Ray Conniff singers protested Vietnam at an event Nixon was having for the 50th anniversary of Readers Digest with Bob Hope and Billy Graham in attendance:

The Richard Nixon - Ray Conniff Incident

Martha Mitchell, wife of Attorney General John Mitchell, thought the protester should be torn limb from limb!

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Great White Snark  Sep 5, 2015 • 8:16:40pm

re: #17 jaunte

Is that a California euphemism?

Now it is.

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William Lewis  Sep 5, 2015 • 8:17:32pm

Ok, it’s probably good that I am broke so I can’t act on this, but I saw an image in an old WWII book that could convince me to sit down for a tattoo…

I’m a bit old to start playing the body art game but that is just too cool an image.

Now off to something more realistic, a motel full of Labor Day Weekend visitors. Later Lizards!

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calochortus  Sep 5, 2015 • 8:17:40pm

re: #24 allegro

One would think they’d have a code name or something.

Probably is a code name. Who would believe they actually named them that?

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BeachDem  Sep 5, 2015 • 8:19:26pm

re: #31 Mentis Fugit

[Embedded content]

Damn—and I thought I was so special! Was going to don my trenchcoat and fake glasses and skulk around the neighborhood checking things out. Now I’ll just have to drink a beer and stay in. How boring.

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Great White Snark  Sep 5, 2015 • 8:19:38pm

re: #34 William Lewis

Ok, it’s probably good that I am broke so I can’t act on this, but I saw an image in an old WWII book that could convince me to sit down for a tattoo…

Embedded Image

I’m a bit old to start playing the body art game but that is just too cool an image.

Now off to something more realistic, a motel full of Labor Day Weekend visitors. Later Lizards!

You could make that a new avatar.

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Jenner7  Sep 5, 2015 • 8:23:10pm

She says Rosa Parks had it “easy”.

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DobermanBoston  Sep 5, 2015 • 8:24:52pm

Rothbard, Hospers, and Kevin B. MacDonald in the same thread is horrifying.

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calochortus  Sep 5, 2015 • 8:28:52pm

re: #34 William Lewis

Ok, it’s probably good that I am broke so I can’t act on this, but I saw an image in an old WWII book that could convince me to sit down for a tattoo…

[Embedded content]

I’m a bit old to start playing the body art game but that is just too cool an image.

Now off to something more realistic, a motel full of Labor Day Weekend visitors. Later Lizards!

You could do a little embroidered piece for your wall. Or maybe Klys would do it for you?

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No Depression  Sep 5, 2015 • 8:30:25pm

re: #38 Jenner7

[Embedded content]

She says Rosa Parks had it “easy”.

Video

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goddamnedfrank  Sep 5, 2015 • 8:36:51pm

re: #38 Jenner7

[Embedded content]

She says Rosa Parks had it “easy”.

Rose Parks.

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CleverToad  Sep 5, 2015 • 8:38:09pm

re: #38 Jenner7

Can’t read it. Has someone typed up the text of this deathless screed?

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freetoken  Sep 5, 2015 • 8:38:20pm

So, my old Time Machine has been full for awhile, meaning old archived bits and pieces have to be deleted for new backups. I decided I’d buy a new hard drive for Time Machine twice the capacity of the old one, plugged it in, works well, decided that besides the System volume I’d do backups on a volume with lots of photos.

1,848,846 files… the fresh backup is about one fourth of the way done after 6 hours. This is certainly going to be an all-night affair.

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Joe Bacon  Sep 5, 2015 • 8:38:55pm

re: #38 Jenner7

[Embedded content]

She says Rosa Parks had it “easy”.

She knows that every day she spends in jail is only going to make her payoff bigger. I’m sure that right now a ghostwriter is preparing her biography which will go through the same bulk sales as every other right wing screed. She’ll command top dollar when they put her on the Right Wing Megachurch circuit. And then the cherry on her cake will be when she speaks at the GOP convention in prime time and whines about how the Muslim Marxist in the White House is forcing her to marry gays and lesbians. She’s hit the lotto! The rest of her life will be just kicking back on Easy Street.

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bratwurst  Sep 5, 2015 • 8:39:44pm

re: #42 goddamnedfrank

Rose Parks.

Well it IS entirely possible that Rose Parks had it easy, right?

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jaunte  Sep 5, 2015 • 8:41:06pm

Rose Parks
don’t know
the trouble I’ve seen.

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calochortus  Sep 5, 2015 • 8:42:03pm

re: #45 Joe Bacon

I can’t imagine what she could possibly have to say that would fill even a small book.

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Jenner7  Sep 5, 2015 • 8:43:35pm

She ends the letter with, “As Jesus told his deciples before His death, think of me fondly.”

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dholmes32  Sep 5, 2015 • 8:44:14pm

This reporter’s Twitter feed has a lot of good (and scary) pictures of pro-Kim Davis protesters at a rally today.

I think these people are a long way from Jesus’ “Love your neighbor” and “bless them that curse you.”

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freetoken  Sep 5, 2015 • 8:46:06pm

Did someone say “Ray Conniff”?

This one goes out to Richard Nixon, and Kim Davis:

MP3 Audio

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jaunte  Sep 5, 2015 • 8:49:17pm

re: #50 dholmes32

“I pledge allegiance to the Christian flag, and to the Saviour for whose Kingdom it stands; one Saviour, crucified, risen, and coming again with life and liberty to all who believe.”
en.wikipedia.org

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Belafon  Sep 5, 2015 • 8:50:34pm

re: #52 jaunte

And if she resigns, she can wave that flag on FOX all she wants.

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freetoken  Sep 5, 2015 • 8:53:41pm

Ray Conniff in his maudlin magnificence:

Ray Conniff - The Greatest Hits

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Sep 5, 2015 • 8:55:04pm

We were talking about idris Elba as 007. I found this whilst poking around Yahoo just now.

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freetoken  Sep 5, 2015 • 8:55:21pm

That’s yet another example of how Youtube gets away with things no one else can. Entire albums are all over Youtube, but the rights owners go after the zillion small scale mp3 pirate web sites.

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goddamnedfrank  Sep 5, 2015 • 8:56:39pm

This Christian persecution fantasy is getting out of hand.

Christianity remains the only identity that businesses feel comfortable advertising under, in most areas of the USA it’s the only faith one can conflate their professional service with while remaining profitable. Look around and you’ll find doctors, dentists, accountants, lawyers, construction companies, shippers, realtors, exterminators, etc describing their devout commitment to Christianity on their official business website bios / about pages. You will be hard pressed to find any atheists / agnostic, hindus, muslims, jews, etc in this country describing their personal faith or lack thereof as an integral part of their public relations strategy.

That tells me that Christians aren’t being persecuted at all, they’re just finally getting some pushback when it comes to imposing the rules of their faith on others.

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No Depression  Sep 5, 2015 • 8:57:30pm

re: #52 jaunte

[Embedded content]

Am I the only one that thinks of the second national flag of the CSA when I see the Christian flag?

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goddamnedfrank  Sep 5, 2015 • 8:58:07pm

Random observation. What’s with the weird ghost blowjob scene in Ghostbusters?

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Charles Johnson  Sep 5, 2015 • 9:00:08pm
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bratwurst  Sep 5, 2015 • 9:01:22pm

re: #51 freetoken

Did someone say “Ray Conniff”?

This one goes out to Richard Nixon, and Kim Davis:

[Embedded content]

I might have guessed you would enjoy hearing a bit of Ray Conniff.

Getting on a Nixon jag, I can’t stop watching this one either:

Nixon Now Campaign Song (1972) - Classic Political Ad

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No Depression  Sep 5, 2015 • 9:02:10pm

re: #60 Charles Johnson

[Embedded content]

Real Scum Salt of the Earth people.

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calochortus  Sep 5, 2015 • 9:04:25pm

re: #60 Charles Johnson

[Embedded content]

Right up there with the bumper sticker theology of “God said it, I believe it, and that settles it.” Sure it does.

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Charles Johnson  Sep 5, 2015 • 9:04:45pm
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freetoken  Sep 5, 2015 • 9:05:07pm

re: #61 bratwurst

Ray Conniff slogan never dare published - All the lyrics, now with 90% less melanin.

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bratwurst  Sep 5, 2015 • 9:05:58pm

re: #65 freetoken

Ray Conniff slogan never dare published - All the lyrics, now with 90% less melanin.

I love how Nixon said Conniff was like the Reader’s Digest of music! Ha!

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CleverToad  Sep 5, 2015 • 9:08:03pm

re: #64 Charles Johnson

I clicked. I should have known better.
Yikes.

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dholmes32  Sep 5, 2015 • 9:08:21pm

re: #38 Jenner7

[Embedded content]

She says Rosa Parks had it “easy”.

Because I have nothing better to do with my evening, I transcribed this letter. Let’s just say schoolchildren will not be reading this 50 years from down, like “Letter from Birmingham Jail.”

There’s also an egotistical jump the shark moment. I’m sure you’ll see it.

To my brothers and sisters in Christ,

As I sit here in my cell, I am reminded of God’s words to Isaiah 41:10 to “fear not, for I am with you, be not dismayed, for I am your God, I will strengthen you. I will help you, I will uphold you with my righteous hand.”

God’s Strength, fueled by the love, support and _PRAYERS_ I have recieved are truly getting me by.

It’s true what they say, If God brings you to it, God brings you through it!!!

I have no doubt your opinion of me has been swayed by the liberal media gotchyas. I am here because there is a _war_ on Christians in America. This country was founded on the belifes of Christianity!! _This is a fact._

I sit here with my Bible close to my heart, comuning with the Lord. I have a lot of time to think. I think of what Rose Parks must have felt! She had it easy let me tell you. The whole _WORLD_ is watching _me_. Under this microscope, I am not only an example for my family, but for the millions on Christians in America facing persecutrion and the loss of their fundemental right of _Religious Freedom_!!! I know now that I have been chosen for the _highest_ purpose.

This is all a trial from God above. And I ask that you read this passage from Luke 16:18 and think of me, “Consider it all joy, my bretheren when you encounter various trials, knowing that the testing of your faith produces endurance.[Note 1]

I thank the [scratched out] courageous men Ted Cruz and Mr. Huckabee for their unwelding support through these trying days. They understand the [scratched out] Christian way.

As Jesus told His disciples before His death, think of me fondly. Think of me and pray.

Kim Davis

Note 1: This is from James 1:2

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calochortus  Sep 5, 2015 • 9:08:28pm

re: #64 Charles Johnson

saltandlightbrigade.org

From their website encouraging people to come to a demonstration in KY today:

“Share this with your friends. Bring a car load. Let’s put 10,000 people on the streets of Grayson and let them know that the CHURCH of the LIVING GOD is alive and well!”

I don’t think they made their goal.

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Charles Johnson  Sep 5, 2015 • 9:09:30pm

re: #68 dholmes32

You should post this as an LGF Page!

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goddamnedfrank  Sep 5, 2015 • 9:09:49pm

Is pretend salt like ghost blowjobs?

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Amory Blaine  Sep 5, 2015 • 9:10:37pm

A martyr in her own mind.

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calochortus  Sep 5, 2015 • 9:10:42pm

re: #68 dholmes32

Upding for taking that bullet. ;)

Maybe she could work on her spelling while she’s in jail.

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Amory Blaine  Sep 5, 2015 • 9:11:01pm

Will we stop at words?

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freetoken  Sep 5, 2015 • 9:11:50pm

re: #58 No Depression

Am I the only one that thinks of the second national flag of the CSA when I see the Christian flag?

I thought the Confederate battle flag was aesthetically influenced by the Scottish flag, given that so many of the white southerners were Scotch-Irish. They “X” is found also in the Union Jack partly for Scottish reasons, I believe.

That second flag you linked, which is a white flag with a quarter of stars, seems to harken back to the religious flags which included lots of white.

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dholmes32  Sep 5, 2015 • 9:12:12pm

re: #64 Charles Johnson

saltandlightbrigade.org

That’s run by “Coach”* Dave Daubenmire. His group, and others, showed up in Pensacola for young earth creationist and convicted tax cheat Kent Hovind’s second trial in March of this year, and may have played a part in influencing a juror to hang the jury. I’ve been working with a documentary filmmaker on this for the past several months, mostly doing background research and Daubenmire was a player. He’s probably trying the same thing here.

* He lost his job for proselytising his students and refusing to lay off when asked in the late 1990s.

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dholmes32  Sep 5, 2015 • 9:12:51pm

re: #70 Charles Johnson

OK, working on now.

And here’s the link:

littlegreenfootballs.com

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Charles Johnson  Sep 5, 2015 • 9:13:04pm
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Jenner7  Sep 5, 2015 • 9:14:04pm

re: #77 dholmes32

From what I can tell, she spells disciples “deciples”.

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FormerDirtDart  Sep 5, 2015 • 9:15:01pm

re: #64 Charles Johnson

saltandlightbrigade.org

So, the killings at Emanuel AME Church in Charleston were hate crimes, against Christians
It’s in their blog post “PREJUDICE IS COLORBLIND IN CHARLESTON”
I’m not going to link to it

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calochortus  Sep 5, 2015 • 9:15:25pm

re: #68 dholmes32

Umm, Luke 16:18 is “Anyone who divorces his wife and marries another woman commits adultery, and the man who marries a divorced woman commits adultery.”

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dholmes32  Sep 5, 2015 • 9:17:46pm

re: #81 calochortus

Umm, Luke 16:18 is “Anyone who divorces his wife and marries another woman commits adultery, and the man who marries a divorced woman commits adultery.”

That’s correct. She’s actually quoting James 1:2, which I put in a [Note 1] and referenced at the bottom.

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calochortus  Sep 5, 2015 • 9:18:41pm

re: #82 dholmes32

That’s correct. She’s actually quoting James 1:2, which I put in a [Note 1] and referenced at the bottom.

Right. So why is she suggesting we think of her as an adulteress?

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DobermanBoston  Sep 5, 2015 • 9:18:54pm

re: #78 Charles Johnson

[Embedded content]

What’s with the flag? Is his vessel in distress?

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FormerDirtDart  Sep 5, 2015 • 9:21:05pm

re: #64 Charles Johnson

saltandlightbrigade.org

A touch of background on “Coach”* Dave Daubenmire
America’s Most Christian Football Coach Rejected From Job Actually Coaching Football

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dholmes32  Sep 5, 2015 • 9:22:17pm

re: #83 calochortus

Right. So why is she suggesting we think of her as an adulteress?

Maybe she’s got that on her mind, since a lot of people have pointed out that, scripturally speaking, she’s married and divorced and married again, hence an adulteress.

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FormerDirtDart  Sep 5, 2015 • 9:22:20pm

re: #84 DobermanBoston

What’s with the flag? Is his vessel in distress?

Our vessel in Christ, America, is in distress //

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calochortus  Sep 5, 2015 • 9:23:13pm

And having had my chuckle for the evening, I’ll say good night. Hasta ma�ana, Lizards.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Sep 5, 2015 • 9:24:51pm

re: #43 CleverToad

Can’t read it. Has someone typed up the text of this deathless screed?

Ask and ye shall receive.

To my brothers and sisters in Christ:

As I sit here in my cell, I am reminded of God’s words in Isaiah 41:10 “Fear not, for I am with you, be not dismayed, for I am your God. i will strengthen you. I will help you. I will uphold you with my righteous hand.”

God’s strength fueled by the love, support and PRAYERS I have recieved (sic) are truly getting me by.

It’s true what they say. If God brings you to it, God brings you through it!!!

I have no doubt that your opinion of me has been swayed by the liberal media gotchas. I am here because there is a war on Christians in America. This country was founded on the belifes (sic) of Christianity. This is a fact!

i sit here with my Bible close to my heart, comuning (sic) with the Lord. I have a lot of time to think. I think of what Rose Parks must have felt! She had it easy, let me tell you. The whole WORLD is watching me. Under this microscope, I am now not only an example for my family, but for the millions on (sic) Christians in America facing persecution and the loss of their fundemental (sic) right of Religious FREEDOM!!! I know now that I have been chosen for the highest purpose.

This is all a trial from God above. And I ask that you read the passage from Luke 16:15* and think of me, “Consider it all joy, my bretheren (sic) when you encounter various trials, knowing that the testing of your faith produces endurance.” *[sic — This is actually James 1:2-3]

I thank the courageous men Ted Cruz and Mr. Huckabee for their unwielding (sic) support through these trying days. They understand the Christian way.

As Jesus told his disciples before His death, think of me fondly. Think of me and pray.

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William Lewis  Sep 5, 2015 • 9:25:56pm

re: #83 calochortus

I doubt she really wants to invoke James either considering the teachings of that epistle.

Such ignorant blather.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Sep 5, 2015 • 9:26:21pm

re: #68 dholmes32

You got there ahead of me, while I was CQing the Bible verses, probably.

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CleverToad  Sep 5, 2015 • 9:27:16pm

re: #91 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

You’re both brave souls!

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Belafon  Sep 5, 2015 • 9:27:26pm

re: #78 Charles Johnson

Anyone who thinks the destruction of Sodom had anything to do with sodomy tells me they don’t read the Bible.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Sep 5, 2015 • 9:27:52pm

re: #76 dholmes32

That’s run by “Coach”* Dave Daubenmire. His group, and others, showed up in Pensacola for young earth creationist and convicted tax cheat Kent Hovind’s second trial in March of this year, and may have played a part in influencing a juror to hang the jury. I’ve been working with a documentary filmmaker on this for the past several months, mostly doing background research and Daubenmire was a player. He’s probably trying the same thing here.

* He lost his job for proselytising his students and refusing to lay off when asked in the late 1990s.

Daubenmire was also egging on John Freshwater in his pointless legal battle to regain his science teaching job after being fired for insubordination.

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BeachDem  Sep 5, 2015 • 9:29:00pm

re: #64 Charles Johnson

saltandlightbrigade.org

Wouldn’t you know, based in Hebron, Ohio.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Sep 5, 2015 • 9:30:58pm

re: #92 CleverToad

You’re both brave souls!

Believe me, I’ve seen shit like this before. Davis has an acute case of Christian Martyr Complex, and surely believes she is part of the Army of God in battling Teh Heathens.

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gwangung  Sep 5, 2015 • 9:35:34pm

re: #96 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

Believe me, I’ve seen shit like this before. Davis has an acute case of Christian Martyr Complex, and surely believes she is part of the Army of God in battling Teh Heathens.

I see much ego there. Very little of God.

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teleskiguy  Sep 5, 2015 • 9:36:24pm

I was wondering this afternoon

By golly, it is, I guess.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Sep 5, 2015 • 9:38:08pm

re: #97 gwangung

I see much ego there. Very little of God.

That’s what happens when you have your own personal Jesus following you around all the time.

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BeachDem  Sep 5, 2015 • 9:42:10pm

re: #76 dholmes32

That’s run by “Coach”* Dave Daubenmire. His group, and others, showed up in Pensacola for young earth creationist and convicted tax cheat Kent Hovind’s second trial in March of this year, and may have played a part in influencing a juror to hang the jury. I’ve been working with a documentary filmmaker on this for the past several months, mostly doing background research and Daubenmire was a player. He’s probably trying the same thing here.

* He lost his job for proselytising his students and refusing to lay off when asked in the late 1990s.

“Coach” Dave Daubenmire is out with a new column today titled “Christianity Needs To Man-Up,” in which he argues that conservative Christians must emulate Donald Trump and be more “violent and militant” in their anti-gay, anti-choice, anti-secular activism.

Lamenting that “the kingdom of darkness” is winning the “culture war,” Daubenmire declares, “It is time to drop the sissified Gospel and reinvigorate the masculine side of our faith.”

…Christians must drop the “hate the sin, love the sinner” line and openly declare that gay people are “worthy of death” and that “God hates” homosexuality, abortion and divorce.

rightwingwatch.org

He seems nice.

-

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retired cynic  Sep 5, 2015 • 9:43:05pm

re: #100 BeachDem

Then how the heck has this divorced woman become their martyr?

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CleverToad  Sep 5, 2015 • 9:43:47pm

re: #96 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

She’s riding high on adrenaline and attention and imagined glory — can’t back down now, however boring and uncomfortable jail may be. The question is how long the thrill will sustain her, and how long the spotlight will stay focused before it turns to the next self-styled martyr.

There will be another outrage soon. If we’re very lucky it won’t involve bloodshed.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Sep 5, 2015 • 9:44:56pm

re: #102 CleverToad

She’s riding high on adrenaline and attention and imagined glory — can’t back down now, however boring and uncomfortable jail may be. The question is how long the thrill will sustain her, and how long the spotlight will stay focused before it turns to the next self-styled martyr.

There will be another outrage soon. If we’re very lucky it won’t involve bloodshed.

Her 15 minutes are running out.

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goddamnedfrank  Sep 5, 2015 • 9:48:15pm

re: #101 retired cynic

Then how the heck has this divorced woman become their martyr?

There are only like three clerks in the entire country refusing to accept the Obergefell decision. Slim pickings.

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Charles Johnson  Sep 5, 2015 • 9:50:58pm

re: #96 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

Believe me, I’ve seen shit like this before. Davis has an acute case of Christian Martyr Complex, and surely believes she is part of the Army of God in battling Teh Heathens.

I looked through the @kimdavis917 account and it seems real to me. It’s being run by her husband Joe.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Sep 5, 2015 • 9:53:14pm

re: #105 Charles Johnson

I looked through the @kimdavis917 account and it seems real to me. It’s being run by her husband Joe.

I concur, doctor. I have no doubt the letter is authentic.

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CleverToad  Sep 5, 2015 • 9:56:08pm

re: #103 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

Isn’t Huckabee’s rally on Tuesday? She has the long weekend to revel in her fame.

Maybe her co-workers can actually get some relief and get some work done by Wednesday or Thursday, as the cameras pull out.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Sep 5, 2015 • 9:58:33pm

re: #107 CleverToad

Isn’t Huckabee’s rally on Tuesday? She has the long weekend to revel in her fame.

Maybe her co-workers can actually get some relief and get some work done by Wednesday or Thursday, as the cameras pull out.

I guess con men only work on business days? That shows where he’s coming from, all right.

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Dark_Falcon  Sep 5, 2015 • 9:59:50pm

re: #71 goddamnedfrank

Is pretend salt like ghost blowjobs?

No, it just has lower sodium content.

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BeachDem  Sep 5, 2015 • 10:00:43pm

re: #101 retired cynic

Then how the heck has this divorced woman become their martyr?

Just for reference:

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Dark_Falcon  Sep 5, 2015 • 10:03:08pm

re: #100 BeachDem

“Coach” Dave Daubenmire is out with a new column today titled “Christianity Needs To Man-Up,” in which he argues that conservative Christians must emulate Donald Trump and be more “violent and militant” in their anti-gay, anti-choice, anti-secular activism.

Lamenting that “the kingdom of darkness” is winning the “culture war,” Daubenmire declares, “It is time to drop the sissified Gospel and reinvigorate the masculine side of our faith.”

…Christians must drop the “hate the sin, love the sinner” line and openly declare that gay people are “worthy of death” and that “God hates” homosexuality, abortion and divorce.

rightwingwatch.org

He seems nice.

-

Dave Daubenmire = Daesh Doppelganger. Because except for some theological differences (though some of the differences are major), this guy would fit in just fine with ISIS.

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Kragar  Sep 5, 2015 • 10:03:15pm
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CleverToad  Sep 5, 2015 • 10:03:50pm

re: #108 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

Nice grift if you can get it.
*sigh*

Goodnight, sweet lizards, and stay safe.

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Kragar  Sep 5, 2015 • 10:05:37pm

“Rose” Parks?

Had it easy?

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Jenner7  Sep 5, 2015 • 10:06:36pm

I’m out too. Have a peaceful Sunday!

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TedStriker  Sep 5, 2015 • 10:06:54pm

re: #114 Kragar

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“Rose” Parks?

Had it easy?

Excuse me while I vomit…

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Kragar  Sep 5, 2015 • 10:08:17pm

re: #116 TedStriker

Excuse me while I vomit…

Kingpin (Wilson Fisk) table flip

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BeachDem  Sep 5, 2015 • 10:09:01pm

re: #111 Dark_Falcon

Dave Daubenmire = Daesh Doppelganger. Because except for some theological differences (though some of the differences are major), this guy would fit in just fine with ISIS.

And his son:

02/27/2007 8:10:47 AM PST by joesbucks

NEWARK, Ohio — The 24-year-old son of conservative religious activist David Daubenmire will spend the next five years on probation after a Licking County judge convicted him on a child-pornography charge.

At a hearing this morning, Zachary Daubenmire pleaded no contest to a felony charge of pandering obscenity involving a minor. Common Pleas Court Judge Thomas Marcelain convicted him on the charge and immediately sentenced him.

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Dark_Falcon  Sep 5, 2015 • 10:11:38pm

re: #118 BeachDem

And his son:

02/27/2007 8:10:47 AM PST by joesbucks

NEWARK, Ohio — The 24-year-old son of conservative religious activist David Daubenmire will spend the next five years on probation after a Licking County judge convicted him on a child-pornography charge.

At a hearing this morning, Zachary Daubenmire pleaded no contest to a felony charge of pandering obscenity involving a minor. Common Pleas Court Judge Thomas Marcelain convicted him on the charge and immediately sentenced him.

That gives the Daubenmires the sex slavery part.

/spits What a repulsive duo!

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The Ghost of a Flea  Sep 5, 2015 • 10:13:43pm

re: #99 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

That’s what happens when you have your own personal Jesus following you around all the time.

…who always says you’re right.

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BeachDem  Sep 5, 2015 • 10:15:31pm

re: #119 Dark_Falcon

That gives the Daubenmires the sex slavery part.

/spits What a repulsive duo!

Sonny went to law school, but the Ohio Supreme Court won’t let him take the bar, and says he has to register as a sex offender until 2018.

Zachary Daubenmire, son of televangelist wanna-be Dave Daubenmire, is a convicted felon for “pandering obscenity involving a minor”and was refused the chance to take the Ohio bar exam after graduating from law school a couple of years ago. Zach recently had a hearing before the Ohio Supreme Court appealing the the State Bar’s decision. The court said no, upholding a determination by the State Bar that his conviction violated the requirements for character and fitness for attorneys. Daubenmire is now and will continue to be a registered sex offender until 2018. At that time, Daubenmire will be allowed to apply for the bar again.

topix.com

(Huckabee will probably be taking up his cause any day now.)

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Sep 5, 2015 • 10:23:10pm

re: #121 BeachDem

Sonny went to law school, but the Ohio Supreme Court won’t let him take the bar, and says he has to register as a sex offender until 2018.

Zachary Daubenmire, son of televangelist wanna-be Dave Daubenmire, is a convicted felon for “pandering obscenity involving a minor”and was refused the chance to take the Ohio bar exam after graduating from law school a couple of years ago. Zach recently had a hearing before the Ohio Supreme Court appealing the the State Bar’s decision. The court said no, upholding a determination by the State Bar that his conviction violated the requirements for character and fitness for attorneys. Daubenmire is now and will continue to be a registered sex offender until 2018. At that time, Daubenmire will be allowed to apply for the bar again.

topix.com

(Huckabee will probably be taking up his cause any day now.)

He gets to be taken off the rolls as a registered sex offender in 3 years? Meanwhile there are thousands of people in this country who were at long-established nude beaches when some cop got a wild hair and decided to raid them, and they’re registered sex offenders for life.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Sep 5, 2015 • 10:24:11pm

re: #122 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

He gets to be taken off the rolls as a registered sex offender in 3 years? Meanwhile there are thousands of people in this country who were at long-established nude beaches when some cop got a wild hair and decided to raid them, and they’re registered sex offenders for life.

It’s OK if you’re a God-fearing Christian in Ohio.

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teleskiguy  Sep 5, 2015 • 10:29:06pm

I’m missing the big Phish Dick’s* blowout this weekend, work got in the way.

*They’ve played every Labor Day weekend for a number of years at Dick’s Sporting Goods Park, our soccer stadium for our pro team the Colorado Rapids. Hence, Phish Dick’s.

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Higgs Boson's Mate  Sep 5, 2015 • 10:32:12pm

re: #68 dholmes32

You’re a better man than I am, Gunga Din.

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Joe Bacon  Sep 5, 2015 • 10:36:38pm

re: #54 freetoken

Ray Conniff in his maudlin magnificence:

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If I have to choose a Conniff, it will always be Frank!

MST3K- Torgo The White takes TV’s Frank to a better place

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BeachDem  Sep 5, 2015 • 10:43:30pm

re: #122 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

He gets to be taken off the rolls as a registered sex offender in 3 years? Meanwhile there are thousands of people in this country who were at long-established nude beaches when some cop got a wild hair and decided to raid them, and they’re registered sex offenders for life.

It’s really 11 years (he was sentenced originally in 2007) but still…

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Kragar  Sep 5, 2015 • 10:53:59pm

re: #126 Joe Bacon

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Kragar  Sep 5, 2015 • 10:58:15pm

The men sport earmuffs and digital camouflage cargo shorts bought on clearance, and their beer bellies hang over gun belts stocked with pistols and extra clips. Lunch was at a diner where every overstuffed sandwich came with a side of soup—plus somebody’s wife made brownies. Yet they soldier through the cheeseburger-and-chicken-noodle fatigue.

At the sound of a beep, they stagger into grunting sprints, turn around and unload hell on paper targets. Next, to simulate the position they might assume in hiding behind a car door during a firefight, they drop to their knees—some go one-kneed but Vickers advises the “double-kneeling Monica Lewinsky” for stability—draw their pistols again and open fire, ejecting spent clips to the dirt and a spray of golden shells everywhere, including on each other. A shooter’s jeans rip down the side.

When the firing stops at one point, the air filled with the smell of gun smoke, Vickers trudges up and studies the targets closely.

His verdict: “You fuckers suck.”

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Sep 5, 2015 • 11:03:58pm

re: #129 Kragar

Ah, the well regulated militia mentioned in the 2nd amendment. //

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Sep 5, 2015 • 11:18:37pm

re: #130 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

Ah, the well regulated militia mentioned in the 2nd amendment. //

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Kragar  Sep 5, 2015 • 11:27:13pm

re: #131 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

The chubby green line…

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Sep 5, 2015 • 11:27:55pm

re: #132 Kragar

The chubby green line…

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And a well fed militia, too!

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teleskiguy  Sep 5, 2015 • 11:29:09pm

re: #133 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

And a well fed militia, too!

A little too well fed! They probably think PT means Pancake Treat.

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goddamnedfrank  Sep 5, 2015 • 11:34:39pm

When your racist stereotype isn’t ignorant enough all by itself.

Pro-tip cock-bags, baked chicken goes in the oven. Fried chicken goes in the goddamned frying pan. It’s right there in the fucking name.

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Higgs Boson's Mate  Sep 5, 2015 • 11:55:58pm

re: #132 Kragar

The chubby green line…

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There’s a moon out tonight…

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Pawn of the Oppressor  Sep 6, 2015 • 12:01:47am

re: #68 dholmes32

Ugh. :puke:

Probably written by her lawyer.

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teleskiguy  Sep 6, 2015 • 12:15:47am

Skiing, man. I love it. Find me in this picture (shouldn’t be too hard).

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teleskiguy  Sep 6, 2015 • 12:18:00am

Autumn is beginning. I’ve got the itch for snow. I want to ski soon.

One of these days I’ll do an endless winter, following the snow from hemisphere to hemisphere.

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BeenHereAwhile  Sep 6, 2015 • 12:39:00am

re: #32 bratwurst

This has to be one of the greatest moments ever captured on video…the night one of the Ray Conniff singers protested Vietnam at an event Nixon was having for the 50th anniversary of Readers Digest with Bob Hope and Billy Graham in attendance:

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Martha Mitchell, wife of Attorney General John Mitchell, thought the protester should be torn limb from limb!

Ironically, Martha Mitchell’s publicized telephone calls to the press about the Watergate break in helped the Washington Post keep the story alive until it gained traction.

Nixon was later quoted saying that if it hadn’t been for Martha Mitchell, there may have been no Watergate scandal (or words to that effect).

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freetoken  Sep 6, 2015 • 12:48:11am
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Dr Lizardo  Sep 6, 2015 • 4:44:26am

re: #100 BeachDem

“Coach” Dave Daubenmire is out with a new column today titled “Christianity Needs To Man-Up,” in which he argues that conservative Christians must emulate Donald Trump and be more “violent and militant” in their anti-gay, anti-choice, anti-secular activism.

Lamenting that “the kingdom of darkness” is winning the “culture war,” Daubenmire declares, “It is time to drop the sissified Gospel and reinvigorate the masculine side of our faith.”

…Christians must drop the “hate the sin, love the sinner” line and openly declare that gay people are “worthy of death” and that “God hates” homosexuality, abortion and divorce.

rightwingwatch.org

He seems nice.

-

These guys couldn’t agree more. Different take on theological matters, though.

I sometime wonder if the Christian fundie wingnuts have a certain envy of Da’esh. I’m pretty sure they do.

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Rocky-in-Connecticut  Sep 6, 2015 • 4:45:31am

re: #26 Joe Bacon

reading his instructions makes it sound like he is definitely a “you’re either with us or against us” type of political hack. You can disagree with him but you may not be able to counter his arguments unless he gives you prior approval?

burkeanreflections.blogspot.com
“…No other outside reading is necessary. That said, additional readings may be used, but only at the discretion of Professor Douglas (i.e., you will need advanced-approval for readings not included on this handout). “

His far-right conclusions and required materials read right out of a Glen Beck or Breitbart pamphlet. Would be an interesting course to f*** things up if one weren’t concerned about one’s GPA.

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Rocky-in-Connecticut  Sep 6, 2015 • 4:46:14am

re: #142 Dr Lizardo

have these guys ever read the actual sayings and teachings of Jesus?

Ever?

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Sep 6, 2015 • 4:49:53am

gotnwes.com is back from its lengthy vacation from Chuck C. Johnson’s vitriol.

The latest is an interpretation of his longwinded Menendez screed.

Why I knew all along Menendez slept with prostitutes, even though he didn’t, probably

The professional dangers of being right, even though I wasn’t really

American journalism is a slave to money and careerism, so no one wants to take any risks, or take a stand for the truth. But not me, for I am the Oracle of Truth.

Three years ago two journalists and I (who was not a journalist, and may never be) exposed how a US Senator had been having sex with underaged prostitutes and stiffing them on the bill. [Haha, stiffing them. Get it? I am sooo clever!]

Robert Menendez had been flying down to the Dominican Republic with his friend, Dr. Salomon Melgen, and having a great time. Melgen had a lot of girlfriends and they were being ferried back and forth between the USA and the DR, which is kind of like human trafficking sort of and Menendez could have been blackmailed, bringing the entire US government to its knees in short order.

But I stopped that from happening.

[MORE]

Also we get to the bottom of the Abilene cop killing.

gotnwes.com can independently confirm by reading news reports that an Abilene, TX, police officer was the target of a crime by two white people, and not by blackity black thugs like our headline implies.

Our anonymous sources who work close to the FBI, like at the coffee place down the street, told us all kinds of salacious details like this:

“Abilene police officer that was found dead was found at his home, bound, burned, shot multiple times, and with racial words and phrases carved into his body,” GotNwes was told.

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Dr Lizardo  Sep 6, 2015 • 4:59:03am

re: #144 Rocky-in-Connecticut

have these guys ever read the actual sayings and teachings of Jesus?

Ever?

It pains me to say it, but I’d venture the average Da’esh member is probably more knowledgeable about the particulars of Islam (and extremely well-versed in the hadith, I’d say) than the average Christian fundie is about Christianity. Not to mention that as (ostensible) Muslims, Da’esh intellectual and religious leaders are probably fairly familiar with the tenets of Christianity; Muslims are required to have knowledge of both Christianity and Judaism - the prophets of both religions are also the prophets of Islam.

Scary thought. The sad truth is that Da’esh is able to rationalize their atrocities through a scrupulously cherry-picked vision of Islam, and they can probably cherry-pick far better than your typical wingnut fundie from Bugtussle, TN. That’s what makes them so damnably dangerous - they know how to project religious authority, especially to disaffected and impressionable young people who’s grasp on Islam is perhaps more a matter of cultural identity (you know, the religion of their parents, grandparents, etc).

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Nyet  Sep 6, 2015 • 5:01:59am

re: #145 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

Speaking of accused child abusers, Dersh finally says something that makes sense:

“This is all about bigotry. Anybody who wouldn’t marry a gay couple but would marry somebody who’s been divorced is not exercising [their] religious right. They’re showing bigotry against gays and the law doesn’t have to tolerate that.

“She doesn’t have to marry gays but she doesn’t have to have a job marrying people. If she wants that job, she has to follow the law.”

Davis, who has been married four times and has two children out-of wedlock, says she’s an Apostolic Christian simply exercising her religious rights in her belief that “marriage is a union between one man and one woman.”

But U.S. District Judge David Bunning held her in contempt for ignoring the Supreme Court ruling and said she will remain behind bars until she begins issuing marriage licenses or allows her deputies to.

Dershowitz said Davis may be in store for a long jail stint.

“If that’s her religious belief, then she ought to stay in prison. That’s what Martin Luther King did, that’s what many other people did,” he said.

“But I don’t believe this is about religion. It’s about bigotry, because if it were about religion, she would refuse to marry people who had been divorced.”

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Sep 6, 2015 • 5:08:15am

re: #147 Nyet

Dershowitz sometimes does makes sense, when he’s not focusing on his own legal troubles.

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Nyet  Sep 6, 2015 • 5:08:45am

re: #146 Dr Lizardo

Thing is, there is no believer that doesn’t cherrypick when it comes to ancient religions (and often newer religions too). Because their “literary” legacy is so mixed you just have to ignore large chunks of it to proceed with some version or another. And arguably the more modern and liberal one’s interpretation of an ancient religion is, the more bad stuff one has to ignore (i.e. the more one has to cherrypick).

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Rocky-in-Connecticut  Sep 6, 2015 • 5:23:03am

re: #146 Dr Lizardo

I’d venture to guess a great many of these “Christians” have read the actual sayings of Jesus and don’t like it. They don’t like it to the point of having to invent their own brand new religion. I call it Anarcho-Fascist Christianity.

It is a bizarre mix of culturally southern state nationalism first and foremost. Combine that with a strongly paternalistic worldview based on a laughably anti-scholastic parsing of the Old Testament. What is really bizarre is that the New Testament has very little to do with actual ideology and policy, except for the drug/insanity-fueled Revelations which is relevant only as it can be utilized in pretty much any nutty capacity they wish. All of the outright Socialism, ceding to government authority, and “turning the other cheek” clearly expressed in the New Testament is right out the window.

We are not looking at Christianity. This is a very particular Anarcho-Fascism dressed in Christian trappings.

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Nyet  Sep 6, 2015 • 5:29:08am

re: #150 Rocky-in-Connecticut

You have to understand though that the pseudo-anarchic element only appears under liberal governments. Under conservatives all those verses about authorities being from God crop up again.

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William Lewis  Sep 6, 2015 • 5:31:40am

re: #150 Rocky-in-Connecticut

Yep. They especially hate the teaching at the base of this: render onto Ceasar. The license is secular - of Ceasar not God - so it should not matter to them. They should be concerned only with making their own lives conform to the teachings of Christ. But that takes away the “fun” they have claiming persecution while actually persecuting others.

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Nyet  Sep 6, 2015 • 5:33:13am

Of course this was used (and is still used by some) too:

Slaves, obey your earthly masters in everything; and do it, not only when their eye is on you and to curry their favor, but with sincerity of heart and reverence for the Lord.

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Nyet  Sep 6, 2015 • 5:35:03am

re: #151 Nyet

You have to understand though that the pseudo-anarchic element only appears under liberal governments. Under conservatives all those verses about authorities being from God crop up again.

(And by “liberal” I tentatively mean “anything to the left of Pinochet” /)

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Dr Lizardo  Sep 6, 2015 • 5:56:58am

re: #150 Rocky-in-Connecticut

It’s my understanding that the Book of Revelation almost didn’t make the cut when the Bible was being put together. It was included in the canon sometime around the early 5th Century AD, but even then, I think there some wariness about including it - from what I recall reading, some of the earlier ‘heretical’ sects relied pretty heavily on it, and other sects considered it a bit too close to pagan literature for their liking.

Martin Luther didn’t consider either “apostolic or prophetic”, Calvin never wrote any commentary about it, and I’m pretty sure it’s not part of the divine liturgy of the Eastern Orthodox Church.

It’s mostly the Protestant sects that draw most heavily upon it, especially the more recent ones.

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Dark_Falcon  Sep 6, 2015 • 6:01:41am

re: #129 Kragar

Gus Garcia-Roberts can take his snark and file it in his desk. Larry Vickers is very well regarded in the firearms community and he doesn’t teach his students crap. Someone may go into his class an ammosexual, but they’re going to come out with greater thought and understanding about firearms or they go home early with a boot in their ass.

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Nyet  Sep 6, 2015 • 6:18:20am

re: #155 Dr Lizardo

There were several books with an initially “wobbly” canonical status, but once they were in, eh, canon is canon. God’s word.

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Romantic Heretic  Sep 6, 2015 • 6:24:57am

re: #26 Joe Bacon

Wow. I just looked at what he teaches and his syllabus…

burkeanreflections.blogspot.com

Reminds me of when I was studying economics 40 years ago and several of my professors at Pitt were really into Murray Rothbard’s Anarcho-Capitalism. The libertarians in the Econ department had an ongoing feud about Hospers vs. Rothbard…

Where did the anarchists, I mean libertarians, ever get the idea that Burke was a conservative?

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Feline Fearless Leader  Sep 6, 2015 • 6:27:37am
It’s that sort of morning
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Dark_Falcon  Sep 6, 2015 • 6:34:27am

re: #158 Romantic Heretic

Where did the anarchists, I mean libertarians, ever get the idea that Burke was a conservative?

Murray Rothbard also had a long-running feud with National Review founder William F. Buckley. Rothbard thought Buckley far to willing to compromise on policy matters, with his remarks to that effect being an early version of the now-familiar “RINO!!1” insult.

Buckley for his part understood that Rothbard’s dogmatic insistence against the nation-state simply was not feasible. What the public wanted and was willing to support plus what was needed to defend the nation made the state necessary. Buckley also thought Rothbard was associating with seriously problematic characters, and he was proven right when Rothbard’s association with militia types cost him what little respectability he had left after the Oklahoma City terrorist attack.

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Romantic Heretic  Sep 6, 2015 • 6:36:42am

re: #132 Kragar

The chubby green line…

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My first thought on seeing that picture?

Buddy, you are one sad sack of shit.

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A Mom Anon  Sep 6, 2015 • 6:44:03am

re: #156 Dark_Falcon

He may be a good technical teacher, but 500 bucks and some change for a class on going to war on terrorists on our own soil is a rip off bunch of shit. I’m sick of these GI Joe playing assholes. If they want to be military, then they need to ENLIST. All this is about is indulging some misdirected hero fantasy onto an “Other” and promoting hatred. He could do the same thing without all the attached bullshit against Muslims, but that wouldn’t sell as well or get as much publicity for his (excuse the expression) target audience.

Muslims are not coming here to invade us with an army of terrorists. After 9/11 this country lost it’s damned mind about this and all perspective. What pisses me off is that more than a few people have taken that fear and marketed it to make small and not so small fortunes. The guys in this scenario aren’t going to come away changed men, they’re being fed a line of bullshit about being heroes when the supposed invasion comes. What he’s doing is dangerous. Also, these asshats deserve to be made fun of. The only people they’re impressing is each other. It’s sad to me. Don’t they have families and kids they could be spending that money on? What about bills and vacations and college funds? That’s the real loss here. I doubt most of these guys are rich dudes with tons of disposable income. Vickers should be ashamed of himself.

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Dr Lizardo  Sep 6, 2015 • 6:51:34am

re: #162 A Mom Anon

He may be a good technical teacher, but 500 bucks and some change for a class on going to war on terrorists on our own soil is a rip off bunch of shit. I’m sick of these GI Joe playing assholes. If they want to be military, then they need to ENLIST. All this is about is indulging some misdirected hero fantasy onto an “Other” and promoting hatred. He could do the same thing without all the attached bullshit against Muslims, but that wouldn’t sell as well or get as much publicity for his (excuse the expression) target audience.

Muslims are not coming here to invade us with an army of terrorists. After 9/11 this country lost it’s damned mind about this and all perspective. What pisses me off is that more than a few people have taken that fear and marketed it to make small and not so small fortunes. The guys in this scenario aren’t going to come away changed men, they’re being fed a line of bullshit about being heroes when the supposed invasion comes. What he’s doing is dangerous. Also, these asshats deserve to be made fun of. The only people they’re impressing is each other. It’s sad to me. Don’t they have families and kids they could be spending that money on? What about bills and vacations and college funds? That’s the real loss here. I doubt most of these guys are rich dudes with tons of disposable income. Vickers should be ashamed of himself.

Reading the comments on some of the English-language media (and some German and Czech language media as well), a lot of people over here are 100%, absolutely and irretrievably losing their shit over the ongoing refugee crisis. “The suicide of Europe!” “The Mohammedan invasion of Christian Europe is in full swing!” “The end of the white European people!” and all sorts of other lunatic opinions are flying thick and heavy.

*smdh*

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Sep 6, 2015 • 6:58:52am

re: #162 A Mom Anon

Enlisting would require submitting to a disciplined life style and giving up many creature comforts, like sitting around the house drinking beer and watching football games or the WWE. Not gonna happen.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Sep 6, 2015 • 7:01:54am

re: #163 Dr Lizardo

Reading the comments on some of the English-language media (and some German and Czech language media as well), a lot of people over here are 100%, absolutely and irretrievably losing their shit over the ongoing refugee crisis. “The suicide of Europe!” “The Mohammedan invasion of Christian Europe is in full swing!” “The end of the white European people!” and all sorts of other lunatic opinions are flying thick and heavy.

*smdh*

They’re replaying the early Middle Ages in their heads.

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Dark_Falcon  Sep 6, 2015 • 7:02:13am

re: #162 A Mom Anon

Vickers’ classes focus on ‘active shooter’ and criminal type situations, not on some fantasy of invasion. Those are real threats and ones its appropriate for men to learn how to counter. Want to be made about something in the article? Be mad about this:

Joining the civilians taking Vickers’s class are another somewhat surprising contingent: cops. At least five off-duty law enforcement officers have shown up today including officers from a rural New York force and that of a township in New Jersey, and a Philadelphia city cop who shoots sideways with a Batman logo stickered on the butt of his service weapon.

Law enforcement officers sometimes get their tuitions reimbursed, or their ammunition taken care of, or get no cooperation from their department at all when taking Vickers’s classes.

SNIP

In an era of highly-publicized questionable police shootings, nobody on this gun range is surprised by the notion that officers may be poorly trained in tactical situations.

“Believe it or not, cops are the worst at handling guns of anybody,” remarks Bill Romanowski, an instructor at the South Jersey Shooting Club, where the class is taking place, and an official competitive shooting expert. Romanowski is a mammoth dude with sparse chin hair, eating an oatmeal cookie. “To cops, it’s just another two pounds they gotta carry.”

Even a guy whose job it is to train cops to shoot guns acknowledges that many officers are poorly trained. Darren Lomonaco, an instructor at the Camden County Police Academy, observes Vickers’s class from under a tent near a berm, his arm in a sling following a slip in a grease fire.

“I wish I could give all the guys I work with this kind of training,” says Lomonaco as Vickers runs through a drill. He says departments don’t commit to giving their officers enough regular training, citing incidents in which New York City officers hit multiple bystanders while unloading on suspects: “When you have officers who aren’t trained as well—which New York City is a prime example [of]—it’s a perishable skill.”

Be mad that cops don’t get the training they need and in many cases have to pay out of their own pockets to learn how to properly use their service weapons.

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Lidane  Sep 6, 2015 • 7:02:47am

As always, fuck John McCain for foisting this dumbass on the rest of us:

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Dark_Falcon  Sep 6, 2015 • 7:08:46am

re: #167 Lidane

Why anyone would want to vote for someone based on her say-so I do not understand.

If you scroll down, you’ll see Princess Dumbass of the North Woods’ employer (for she’s a flack for Trump for all intents and purposes right now) get smacked down by Marco Rubio for being a know-nothing on foreign policy. I really hope Trump flames out and clears the field for the senator from Florida. I maintain that Rubio is exactly who the GOP needs to nominate: Someone conservative enough to win the base over, but pragmatic enough to govern effectively.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Sep 6, 2015 • 7:10:20am

re: #167 Lidane

As always, fuck John McCain for foisting this dumbass on the rest of us:

English, Spanish, French and Portuguese are all American languages, having been spoken in the Americas since the 1500s. So, really she’s saying we should speak one of those, I guess.

Or maybe she means Navajo? Sioux? Algonquin? Mayan?

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A Mom Anon  Sep 6, 2015 • 7:13:15am

re: #166 Dark_Falcon

Again, civilians that have really no use for “active shooter” training are the problem here and he’s feeding that. Also, the cops doing this are indeed part of the problem, and I have to wonder why their own departments aren’t being funded well enough to provide “active shooter” training and weekend camps to bring skills up to speed. But at the end of the day the REAL issue at hand is this entire Us vs. Them mindset of not just the cops (and that is the exact opposite of good and appropriate police training) but also our fellow citizens. This is not a far step from it being open season on any group these people deem to be a threat. It’s not the problem, Vickers isn’t some one man issue to be solved, it’s the symptom of a much larger disease in this country. This is actively undermining the U in USA. It’s fine to get firearms training, we need more, not less of that. However, the idea that anyone who has a firearm and goes through one of these classes is now an expert on defusing bad situations is ludicrous at best. It takes lots of training, physical endurance, quick thinking and problem solving skills to be good at this. It’s being marketed as an anti terrorist/revolution coming be ready type of thing, that’s why most of those guys are there. Let’s be honest about that.

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Nyet  Sep 6, 2015 • 7:20:01am

So a feminist festival Womensfest included vagina cupcakes.

This activist found it … transmisogynist:

The Campus Feminist Collective regret to see the inclusion of a transmisogynist and intersexist “paint a vagina cupcake” event in this year’s Womensfest. We advised the Womens Rights Officers against this event and are sad to see it has gone ahead, along with other transmisogynist and cissexist concepts and language throughout the festival, such as the “pussytails” promotion. We are disappointed with AUSA’s single response so far, that vaginas are stigmatised while penises are valued and that the event was intended to break down that stigma, as trans women’s genitalia are also extremely stigmatised and are not valued at all.
We are unwilling to participate in an festival that involves this much exclusion, especially with a lack of response from the WROs so far. At this stage, our events - Tea for Trans and the Pub Quiz - will not go ahead as part of Womensfest, but will be run later in the year alongside Feminists of Colour, who have also pulled out of the festival.
We regret that it has come to this and hope to see an adequate response and apology from the Womens Rights Officers and AUSA soon.

Someone else commented under this:

We need to centre marginalised folk in conversations that concern them too, i.e. genital policing. I think to hold an event that talks about ciswomen and vaginas, there needs to be a completely explicit acknowledgement from the outset that it would be primarily focused on the history of ciswomen and vaginas. Lumping vaginas with all women is transphobic, intersexist, and completely avoidable. Again, this is coming from a ciswoman! I don’t meant to assume what is and isn’t hurtful, so simply talking and discussing with transwomen or intersex women about how such an event could be held without broaching hurtful territory would be the highest priority!

Houston, we may have a problem.

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Camacho DeezNuts 2016  Sep 6, 2015 • 7:22:00am

re: #169 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

English, Spanish, French and Portuguese are all American languages, having been spoken in the Americas since the 1500s. So, really she’s saying we should speak one of those, I guess.

Or maybe she means Navajo? Sioux? Algonquin? Mayan?

She also means Jive.

I Speak Jive - Airplane! (5/10) Movie CLIP (1980) HD

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Sep 6, 2015 • 7:23:56am

re: #172 Camacho DeezNuts 2016

She also means Jive.

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I be down wi’dat.

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The War TARDIS  Sep 6, 2015 • 7:27:58am

re: #171 Nyet

I’m not even able to keep up at this point.

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Camacho DeezNuts 2016  Sep 6, 2015 • 7:28:30am
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Dark_Falcon  Sep 6, 2015 • 7:35:38am

re: #172 Camacho DeezNuts 2016

She also means Jive.

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No, she doesn’t. Jive is associated with black people, which means that in the small cluster of cells known as Sarah Palin’s brain, Jive is associated with fear, drugs, and crime.

/Not kidding.

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PhillyPretzel  Sep 6, 2015 • 7:35:57am

re: #175 Camacho DeezNuts 2016

Palin has gone off the deep end. There is no official language in America. English is the predominate language of the USA.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Sep 6, 2015 • 7:37:41am

re: #177 PhillyPretzel

Palin has gone off the deep end. There is no official language in America. English is the predominate language of the USA.

She’s just echoing the nativists’ desire for an official language (English), but even screws that up by saying we speak “American.”

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PhillyPretzel  Sep 6, 2015 • 7:40:09am

re: #178 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

Yes. Palin is parroting what those others are “demanding.”

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darthstar  Sep 6, 2015 • 7:40:53am

I speak Palin. You betcha. And also, too.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Sep 6, 2015 • 7:41:49am

re: #180 darthstar

I speak Palin. You betcha. And also, too.

By golly.

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plansbandc  Sep 6, 2015 • 7:43:39am

Kim Davis reminds me of the Warden in Shawshank. An evil, petty, angry, holier than thou bureaucrat.

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Iwouldprefernotto  Sep 6, 2015 • 7:45:21am

re: #168 Dark_Falcon

Why anyone would want to vote for someone based on her say-so I do not understand.

If you scroll down, you’ll see Princess Dumbass of the North Woods’ employer (for she’s a flack for Trump for all intents and purposes right now) get smacked down by Marco Rubio for being a know-nothing on foreign policy. I really hope Trump flames out and clears the field for the senator from Florida. I maintain that Rubio is exactly who the GOP needs to nominate: Someone conservative enough to win the base over, but pragmatic enough to govern effectively.

His stance on abortion (no exceptions) should do well in the general election.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Sep 6, 2015 • 7:47:23am

re: #182 plansbandc

Kim Davis reminds me of the Warden in Shawshank. An evil, petty, angry, holier than thou bureaucrat.

Then she’d need to be caught with her hand in the till to fit that bill.

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darthstar  Sep 6, 2015 • 7:47:34am

re: #183 Iwouldprefernotto

His stance on abortion (no exceptions) should do well in the general election.

At least he’s thirsty enough to take the drought seriously.

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Camacho DeezNuts 2016  Sep 6, 2015 • 7:48:55am

Fox is full steam ahead on the narrative that cops are being shot all over the place and it’s in crisis mode now. I’ve noticed an uptick on ‘cop shot’ stories recently.

This will be hung on #BlackLivesMatter.

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plansbandc  Sep 6, 2015 • 7:49:49am

re: #184 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

Perfect.

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Dark_Falcon  Sep 6, 2015 • 7:50:00am

re: #170 A Mom Anon

Us vs, Them in the USA is older than the nation itself. It predates white people’s arrival in the New World, to be honest, and its not going away. It is a fact that classes aimed at firearms training and active shooter and riot situations do have an ‘other’ they are aimed at. But such has it always always been, for human beings need an enemy to set themselves against in turbulent times and abstractions will not suffice. People need to put a face on the things they fight.

Now I am sympathetic to the argument that firearms classes are in part about power, because its true. But they also combine the power of owning and using pistols and rifles with the responsibility of handling, using and storing them properly. And combining power and responsibility is something many men need: A way to feel empowered and having some kind of control in a chaotic world. More peaceful means of doing so would be more desirable in a peaceful world, but we live in violent times and those who would seek to defend order must be able to do so with violence in necessary.

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I Stand With Planned Parenthood  Sep 6, 2015 • 7:51:06am
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I Stand With Planned Parenthood  Sep 6, 2015 • 7:52:41am
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darthstar  Sep 6, 2015 • 7:53:56am

We propose to change the name of Campbell Hill to honor Alaska’s most famous governor, Sarah Palin.
If the people of Ohio feel it is their right to name Alaska’s highest mountain, then it would only be fitting for Alaska to rename Ohio’s highest peak.

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Camacho DeezNuts 2016  Sep 6, 2015 • 7:57:38am
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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Sep 6, 2015 • 7:57:51am

re: #191 darthstar

Since she served only half her term, she should only get half her name attached to the hill, like SarPa, or SaPal.

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I Stand With Planned Parenthood  Sep 6, 2015 • 7:57:51am

re: #152 William Lewis

Yep. They especially hate the teaching at the base of this: render onto Ceasar. The license is secular - of Ceasar not God - so it should not matter to them. They should be concerned only with making their own lives conform to the teachings of Christ. But that takes away the “fun” they have claiming persecution while actually persecuting others.

There seems to be this huge disconnect between god’s law and man’s law. In RC school I was taught to always follow Man’s law — strange as it may seem to some.

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Camacho DeezNuts 2016  Sep 6, 2015 • 7:58:05am

Kim Davis is listed as ‘Kim Duggar’ but still funny.

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I Stand With Planned Parenthood  Sep 6, 2015 • 8:00:16am

I don’t remember this …

CONFIRMED: The DEA Struck A Deal With Mexico’s Most Notorious Drug Cartel

Read more: businessinsider.com

An investigation by El Universal found that between the years 2000 and 2012, the U.S. government had an arrangement with Mexico’s Sinaloa drug cartel that allowed the organization to smuggle billions of dollars of drugs while Sinaloa provided information on rival cartels.

Sinaloa, led by Joaquin “El Chapo” Guzman, supplies 80% of the drugs entering the Chicago area and has a presence in cities across the U.S.

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Dark_Falcon  Sep 6, 2015 • 8:02:37am

re: #192 Camacho DeezNuts 2016

Two errors there:

1. Kim Davis is mislabeled as “Kim Duggar”. It’s just a minor slip needing correction.

2. I know Phil Robertson is a wingnut and throwback in some bad ways, but I don’t see him as a grifter. He built his fortune on a quality product that people wanted to buy and his first concern is still products like duck decoys. I’m not saying he’s a good guy, but I don’t see him as a grifter.

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Camacho DeezNuts 2016  Sep 6, 2015 • 8:06:14am

Phil Robertson is a grifter. TV deals bring them a lot of $.

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Dark_Falcon  Sep 6, 2015 • 8:10:43am

re: #198 Camacho DeezNuts 2016

Phil Robertson is a grifter. TV deals bring them a lot of $.

In what circumstances does having a TV show and staging antics to bump up its ratings become grifting?

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A Mom Anon  Sep 6, 2015 • 8:11:55am

re: #188 Dark_Falcon

I’d agree with that if it weren’t for a couple of things. Less households own guns now than in the past, percentage wise. More of the homes with guns have stockpiles than ever, percentage wise. Now, some of those people are collectors, I don’t worry about them at all. Both my granddads collected and used weapons responsibly, one was a sheriff. Both fought in Korea. One was an avid hunter.

Here’s my issue: The definition of “bad guy” has changed over time. When you live in a place where people have “Liberal Hunting License” bumper stickers on their cars, where you get screamed at in a parking lot for wearing a Rosie the Riveter t-shirt that says “Yes We Can!”, when supposedly responsible and well trained gun owners post all kinds of hateful shit on facebook and talk about how scared they are that they’re going to be taken away and persecuted for being bygodchristianamericans then there’s a problem. And this kind of stuff feeds the beast. I have seen and experienced the aforementioned incidents personally in my neighborhood. We have a Klan asshole who’s a respected business person here who has a sign on the front of his business proclaiming White History Year and every version of the CSA Flag flying there (he’s a Civil War “memorabilia” merchant. His wares include photos of lynchings proudly displayed) . Classes like Vickers’ in an environment like this will attract mostly scared and angry white guys who think the answer to more than a few problems are to be found with a gun. THAT’S my issue with this. 95 percent of these guys (not the cops) will never need this training and don’t live in areas where it’s even practical. They’re scared, and scared never makes good choices, add anger into that and you can bet it’s an accident waiting to happen, well trained or not. It’s feeding a bigger problem, an attitude that an armed society is a polite one. No, that’s intimidation, not politeness.

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Tigger2  Sep 6, 2015 • 8:14:00am

re: #167 Lidane

As always, fuck John McCain for foisting this dumbass on the rest of us:

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Camacho DeezNuts 2016  Sep 6, 2015 • 8:15:29am

re: #199 Dark_Falcon

In what circumstances does having a TV show and staging antics to bump up its ratings become grifting?

Staging antics, or espousing some bullshit belief system, to profit, is by definition being a grifter.

That he had $ before that is irrelevant.

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stpaulbear  Sep 6, 2015 • 8:20:12am

re: #202 Camacho DeezNuts 2016

Staging antics, or espousing some bullshit belief system, to profit, is by definition being a grifter.

That he had $ before that is irrelevant.

Same thing is true for Rand Paul. He’s only in the primary for the money and the press.

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I Stand With Planned Parenthood  Sep 6, 2015 • 8:21:30am

re: #200 A Mom Anon

This is why I am concerned. Justice is not meted out evenly.
Open Carry Law: How The Police Treat Black Vs White (Disturbing Reality?)

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FormerDirtDart  Sep 6, 2015 • 8:22:44am

re: #201 Tigger2

Maybe Palin should start speaking english first I sometimes have trouble making out what she says.

Money Boo-Boo may utter English words, and on occasion form a phrase or two, but she most certainly does not speak the English language

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I Stand With Planned Parenthood  Sep 6, 2015 • 8:22:55am
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I Stand With Planned Parenthood  Sep 6, 2015 • 8:23:42am

re: #205 FormerDirtDart

Money Boo-Boo may utter English words, and on occasion form a phrase or two, but she most certainly does not speak the English language

I’m not sure anyone in the US speaks the English Language. I’ve seen American-English more and more.

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A Mom Anon  Sep 6, 2015 • 8:24:54am

re: #204 I Stand With Planned Parenthood

Yes, this too. The idea honestly should be to de-escalate the madness not add to it. If guys like Vickers were actively bringing attention and bearing pressure on governments to properly fund and train their police officers I’d be much more inclined to see him as a benefit to society.

And with that, I’m off to do chores and walk the dog. Labor day holidays don’t apply to Moms.

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Eric The Fruit Bat  Sep 6, 2015 • 8:27:09am

re: #197 Dark_Falcon

IIRC The state of Louisiana kicked in something like $800,000 per episode for the production company that makes the show. If that money wasn’t there, do you really think he’s be on the air?

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Dark_Falcon  Sep 6, 2015 • 8:29:25am

re: #209 Eric The Fruit Bat

IIRC The state of Louisiana kicked in something like $800,000 per episode for the production company that makes the show. If that money wasn’t there, do you really think he’s be on the air?

I did not know that, and to answer your question, no.

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Camacho DeezNuts 2016  Sep 6, 2015 • 8:29:29am

re: #205 FormerDirtDart

Money Boo-Boo may utter English words, and on occasion form a phrase or two, but she most certainly does not speak the English language

Her proper nom de guerre is Wingnut Spice.

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Belafon  Sep 6, 2015 • 8:29:55am

I have a question for creationists: Can you please explain bacteria? I can’t find it mentioned anywhere in the creation story.

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Dark_Falcon  Sep 6, 2015 • 8:30:21am

re: #208 A Mom Anon

We’ll continue this another time.

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Tigger2  Sep 6, 2015 • 8:30:39am

re: #204 I Stand With Planned Parenthood

This is why I am concerned. Justice is not meted out evenly.
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I don’t see how there’s not a lawsuit in what happened there. They violated his second amendment rights as the wingnuts would say.

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Chankobun  Sep 6, 2015 • 8:30:49am

re: #212 Belafon

The Standard Cretinist Answer to anything they can’t explain and is not necessarily good is “fallen world”.

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Camacho DeezNuts 2016  Sep 6, 2015 • 8:32:14am

‘Duck Dynasty’ Keeps Tax Break as Bobby Jindal Cuts Louisiana Colleges

Louisiana Governor Bobby Jindal, a potential Republican presidential candidate, is trying to close a $1.6 billion budget hole without touching as much as $415,000 per episode in tax breaks that may be due to “Duck Dynasty.”

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I Stand With Planned Parenthood  Sep 6, 2015 • 8:32:44am
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Dark_Falcon  Sep 6, 2015 • 8:33:37am

re: #214 Tigger2

I don’t see how there’s not a lawsuit in what happened there. They violated his second amendment rights as the wingnust would say.

Most people don’t know how to file such a suit and the law is not in the civilian’s favor, to be honest. Judges are very reluctant to countermand a police officer’s judgment regarding when to act against an apparently armed civilian and so such cases are often thrown out on summary judgement.

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dholmes32  Sep 6, 2015 • 8:37:00am

And that Kim Davis letter is a FAKE. I wasted my time on a FAKE.

Per Liberty Counsel:

Kim Davis Does Not Have a Twitter Account

lc.org

ETA: I edited my LGF Page to indicate the whole thing was a fake.

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I Stand With Planned Parenthood  Sep 6, 2015 • 8:37:12am
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Tigger2  Sep 6, 2015 • 8:37:41am

re: #218 Dark_Falcon

Most people don’t know how to file such a suit and the law is not in the civilian’s favor, to be honest. Judges are very reluctant to countermand a police officer’s judgment regarding when to act against an apparently armed civilian and so such cases are often thrown out on summary judgement.

A lawyer knows how to file one, that is a clear case of discrimination based on what I believe was the color of his skin, And as an old while guy I’m getting fucking sick of that happening. It’s like the whites can have their open carry rights( second amendment ) but if you are a person of color you can’t.

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Nyet  Sep 6, 2015 • 8:40:07am

re: #212 Belafon

I have a question for creationists: Can you please explain bacteria? I can’t find it mentioned anywhere in the creation story.

Nanorobots to serve the animal bodies that got bad after the Fall.

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Nyet  Sep 6, 2015 • 8:42:06am

re: #219 dholmes32

We knew here that the twitter account was most probably a fake yesterday or the day before.

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Eric The Fruit Bat  Sep 6, 2015 • 8:46:58am

re: #196 I Stand With Planned Parenthood

That’s an old article for sure.

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dholmes32  Sep 6, 2015 • 8:47:51am

re: #223 Nyet

We knew here that the twitter account was most probably a fake yesterday or the day before.

There was some disagreement…so I went with it. I’ve rectified my error. And, except that Luke 16:18 reference, it does sound like something a pompous, holier-than-thou Apostolic would say. (Source: me, I lived with an Apostolic foster mother in the 1970s.)

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Nyet  Sep 6, 2015 • 8:49:34am

re: #225 dholmes32

Well, I can only say what I usually say in such cases: one should always try to go against one’s bias :)

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Dark_Falcon  Sep 6, 2015 • 8:50:14am

re: #221 Tigger2

A lawyer knows how to file one, that is a clear case of discrimination based on what I believe was the color of his skin, And as an old while guy I’m getting fucking sick of that happening.

It is fairly clear-cut, but nothing is still likely to happen. And that does suck.

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I Stand With Planned Parenthood  Sep 6, 2015 • 8:53:05am
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retired cynic  Sep 6, 2015 • 8:53:43am

re: #226 Nyet

Well, I can only say what I usually say in such cases: one should always try to go against one’s bias :)

Certainly, but one’s bias tends to hijack one, too often!

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Dr Lizardo  Sep 6, 2015 • 8:53:58am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 6, 2015 • 8:55:09am
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I Stand With Planned Parenthood  Sep 6, 2015 • 8:56:34am

re: #227 Dark_Falcon

It is fairly clear-cut, but nothing is still likely to happen. And that does suck.

What can happen is that people like you and me can voice their outrage. We need to acknowedge the inequities of the status quo and show our unwillingness to go along with it.

Even if it means losing friends and alienating co-workers.

We cannot be silent.

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dholmes32  Sep 6, 2015 • 8:56:54am

re: #230 Dr Lizardo

Summon the meteors.

I…I…I… *picks self up from ground* and quotes Ripley: “Nuke it from orbit, it’s the only way to be sure.”

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BeachDem  Sep 6, 2015 • 8:57:12am

re: #147 Nyet

Speaking of accused child abusers, Dersh finally says something that makes sense:

Except, per Dersh:

She doesn’t have to marry gays but she doesn’t have to have a job marrying people.

She’s not marrying anyone—that’s not her job; she’s a fucking clerk who’s filling out and filing forms.

(I’d also quibble with his comparison to MLK)

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Charles Johnson  Sep 6, 2015 • 8:57:15am

re: #219 dholmes32

Yep, fake. I have to say it was one of the more convincing fake accounts I’ve seen, though. Somebody went to a lot of trouble with that one.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 6, 2015 • 8:57:41am
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Dark_Falcon  Sep 6, 2015 • 8:57:49am

re: #228 I Stand With Planned Parenthood

Alveda King: Planned Parenthood Gives Women Breast Cancer So They Will Donate To Susan G. Komen
f

That’s one apple that fell far from the tree. And she should know how dangerous conspiracy theories can be, as she was born in Birmingham, AL, and her family home was the subject of an IED attack by the anti-civil rights terrorists who had earned the city the grim nickname of “Bombingham”.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 6, 2015 • 8:58:47am

from yesterday’s rally:

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Dark_Falcon  Sep 6, 2015 • 9:02:37am

re: #237 Dark_Falcon

That’s one apple that fell far from the tree. And she should know how dangerous conspiracy theories can be, as she was born in Birmingham, AL, and her family home was the subject of an IED attack by the anti-civil rights terrorists who had earned the city the grim nickname of “Bombingham”.

Note: My reference to bombings of places associated with civil rights campaigns as “IED Attacks” is deliberate. I’m using the same language for when the Klan targeted a black church in the US as is used when ISIS targets a Shia mosque in Kuwait, Because I want to drive home the point that both acts constitute terrorism and those who perpetrate such acts such be considered terrorists and dealt with with severity, no matter their race or social status.

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Camacho DeezNuts 2016  Sep 6, 2015 • 9:03:23am

re: #226 Nyet

Well, I can only say what I usually say in such cases: one should always try to go against one’s bias :)

No, we should go with them, it’s much easier!

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BlueSpotinAL  Sep 6, 2015 • 9:10:06am

re: #93 Belafon

Anyone who thinks the destruction of Sodom had anything to do with sodomy tells me they don’t read the Bible.

Otto, fundamentalists read the bible, they just can’t understand it.

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Camacho DeezNuts 2016  Sep 6, 2015 • 9:10:20am

I hate it when I follow somebody then they immediately put out a questionable tweet:

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I Stand With Planned Parenthood  Sep 6, 2015 • 9:10:39am
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Nyet  Sep 6, 2015 • 9:13:31am

re: #235 Charles Johnson

Yep, fake. I have to say it was one of the more convincing fake accounts I’ve seen, though. Somebody went to a lot of trouble with that one.

I’ll have to disagree. Maybe at a later stage, after I stopped paying attention, but this sealed it for me:

Jesus loves me! This I know, For the Bible tells me so. #AMEN

— Kim Davis (@kimdavis917) September 2, 2015

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I Stand With Planned Parenthood  Sep 6, 2015 • 9:13:49am
RESTORE THE REPUBLIC —Julius Caesar
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jaunte  Sep 6, 2015 • 9:14:12am

re: #242 Camacho DeezNuts 2016

He seems to be oblivious of the many self-interested interpretations of “the Word” that are making the news lately.

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I Stand With Planned Parenthood  Sep 6, 2015 • 9:17:22am
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Skip Intro  Sep 6, 2015 • 9:17:33am

Let Sarah Palin teach your parrot to speak American.

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SteelPH  Sep 6, 2015 • 9:18:11am

re: #248 Skip Intro

Didn’t realize Idiocracy was a documentary.

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Nyet  Sep 6, 2015 • 9:18:17am

re: #240 Camacho DeezNuts 2016

re: #229 retired cynic

It’s easier to go against conscious biases. I know that I hate wingnuttery, so if I see something that a wingnut says that comes from a less than obviously legit source, I’ll try to double check. It doesn’t always work, of course. I’ve also fallen for hoaxes.

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Skip Intro  Sep 6, 2015 • 9:18:31am

re: #245 I Stand With Planned Parenthood

The pre civil war South, I believe.

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Dark_Falcon  Sep 6, 2015 • 9:18:38am

re: #248 Skip Intro

Let Sarah Palin teach your parrot to speak American.

Nope:

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I Stand With Planned Parenthood  Sep 6, 2015 • 9:19:04am
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Iwouldprefernotto  Sep 6, 2015 • 9:19:54am

re: #250 Nyet

It’s easier to go against conscious biases. I know that hate wingnuttery, so if I see something that a wingnut says that comes from a less than obviously legit source, I’ll try to double check. It doesn’t always work, of course. I’ve also fallen for hoaxes.

You know the LGF rules. When you fall for a hoax you will be placed on “double secret probation.”

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Nyet  Sep 6, 2015 • 9:20:38am

re: #248 Skip Intro

We’re from America, we’re from America, where we eat our young
We’re from America, we’re from America, it’s where Jesus was born
We’re from America, we’re from America, where they let you cum on their faces
We’re from America, we’re from America, we speak American

Marilyn Manson - Were From America

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A Cranky One  Sep 6, 2015 • 9:20:38am

Just what was in the picinic basket, Boo Boo?

instagram.com

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SteelPH  Sep 6, 2015 • 9:20:55am

re: #254 Iwouldprefernotto

Is it really secret when you blurt it out in the open like that?
/

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I Stand With Planned Parenthood  Sep 6, 2015 • 9:21:42am

re: #251 Skip Intro

The pre civil war South, I believe.

before the 14th Amendment.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 6, 2015 • 9:22:33am
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I Stand With Planned Parenthood  Sep 6, 2015 • 9:26:05am
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Iwouldprefernotto  Sep 6, 2015 • 9:30:25am

re: #257 SteelPH

Is it really secret when you blurt it out in the open like that?
/

NOBODY expects the Spanish Inquisition!

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I Stand With Planned Parenthood  Sep 6, 2015 • 9:30:38am
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Camacho DeezNuts 2016  Sep 6, 2015 • 9:34:15am
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danarchy  Sep 6, 2015 • 9:35:45am

re: #216 Camacho DeezNuts 2016

‘Duck Dynasty’ Keeps Tax Break as Bobby Jindal Cuts Louisiana Colleges

Yes Duck Dynasty and any other show or movie that happens to shoot in Lousiana. I don’t see how you blame the show for state policy.

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I Stand With Planned Parenthood  Sep 6, 2015 • 9:36:41am

bbl

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The Vicious Babushka  Sep 6, 2015 • 9:36:45am

re: #228 I Stand With Planned Parenthood

Alveda King: Planned Parenthood Gives Women Breast Cancer So They Will Donate To Susan G. Komen
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There needs to be an Alveda Kingfish meme

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Bear  Sep 6, 2015 • 9:37:07am

Don’t think there will be many outdoor activities here today with the rain. Hope that any ones you plan go well.

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Camacho DeezNuts 2016  Sep 6, 2015 • 9:37:32am

re: #265 danarchy

Yes Duck Dynasty and any other show or movie that happens to shoot in Lousiana. I don’t see how you blame the show for state policy.

I don’t see how I blame the show for state policy either.

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I Stand With Planned Parenthood  Sep 6, 2015 • 9:38:18am

re: #254 Iwouldprefernotto

You know the LGF rules. When you fall for a hoax you will be placed on “double secret probation.”

Charles use to have the rules posted on the left sidebar —and other secret stuff.

really bbl

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Great White Snark  Sep 6, 2015 • 9:40:14am

re: #245 I Stand With Planned Parenthood

Trading one extreme argument for another is hardly persuasive. I’m tempted to send that guy the same middle finger display I usually reserve for the likes of Trump.

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danarchy  Sep 6, 2015 • 9:43:36am

re: #269 Camacho DeezNuts 2016

I don’t see how I blame the show for state policy either.

Well you used it as an example of Phil Robertson’s grifting. Maybe I worded my criticism poorly, but I also don’t see it as grifting. They are doing exactly what the state wants them to.

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Camacho DeezNuts 2016  Sep 6, 2015 • 9:44:41am

They are grifting with tax incentives.

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jaunte  Sep 6, 2015 • 9:46:33am
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Nyet  Sep 6, 2015 • 9:47:36am

A nice short intro to the difference between the systems of deontological and teleological ethics (think “absolute” v. “relative” morality):

adversusapologetica.wordpress.com

I will grant, however, that if someone were willing to go to Hell and be genuinely miserable, just because god had ordered them to do so through duty, then he or she would be a true deontologist. That is the ugly reality of deontology. In a teleological system, morals serve as means to the end of serving us. In a deontological one, we are the means to serving moral duty. If someone were willing to genuinely and eternally be in pain, not even have a “feel good” sense about doing the right thing, just to obey an edict mandated by god, then I will grant that they truly follow a deontological sense of duty. I would gladly elect to be immoral under such a system.

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Eventual Carrion  Sep 6, 2015 • 9:48:48am

re: #21 Romantic Heretic

That’s a way for computer geeks to fuck with people’s heads.

Hey, my wireless is FBI Van 24. My youngest got a kick out of it. :-)

And yes I can be a geek at times.

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Dark_Falcon  Sep 6, 2015 • 9:49:56am

re: #274 jaunte

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The use of the word “genocide” in that context is questionable, but there is enough to allow it to be argued honestly and thus it should not be grounds for disenrollment from a class.

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Camacho DeezNuts 2016  Sep 6, 2015 • 9:51:18am

Speaking of wireless, today I test a router I’ve been using for business. The tweens are coming over and we’re going to have a ‘Lets Crush This Router’ party trying to stream multiple 1080p videos concurrently.

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Camacho DeezNuts 2016  Sep 6, 2015 • 9:53:00am

Since I do residential systems, concurrent 1080p streams is the best test I can think of.

Did one in the office yesterday with 7 devices running 10 streams.

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Nyet  Sep 6, 2015 • 9:53:07am

re: #274 jaunte

“I told him, ‘you said genocide implies the purposeful extermination of people and that they were mostly wiped out by European diseases.” I said, “that is not a true statement.”

“He said, ‘Genocide is not what happened.’ I stood up and started reading from an article by the United Nations that said: Genocide is the deliberate killing of another people, a sterilization of people and/or a kidnapping of their children,” and he said, ‘That is enough.’

Not judging who is right or wrong here, since I know squat about this particular period. However the UN def. of genocide does require intent. Genocide is not simply a mass killing or indirect causing of mass deaths.

…any of the following acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group, as such:

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Eventual Carrion  Sep 6, 2015 • 9:56:06am

re: #167 Lidane

As always, fuck John McCain for foisting this dumbass on the rest of us:

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Franco American?

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jaunte  Sep 6, 2015 • 9:56:26am

re: #280 Nyet

I think there is enough evidence of the intent of Europeans to destroy and displace the native population (exploiting the natural accident of the plagues that they brought) to make a strong argument for the use of the word.

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Nyet  Sep 6, 2015 • 9:58:52am

re: #282 jaunte

Maybe. As I said, I’m not judging the facts.

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Jenner7  Sep 6, 2015 • 9:59:49am

Sorry for posting the fake letter. Goldie retweeted it, so I thought it was real. Too good to be true, though.

Sarah Palin continues to show us what an awful choice John McCain made. But, thanks John! You gave us President Obama!

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b_sharp  Sep 6, 2015 • 10:00:06am

re: #138 teleskiguy

Skiing, man. I love it. Find me in this picture (shouldn’t be too hard).

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Is that you rolling down the hill with your skis windmilling like a snow blower?

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jaunte  Sep 6, 2015 • 10:00:34am

re: #284 Jenner7

Sorry for posting the fake letter. Goldie retweeted it, so I thought it was real. Too good to be true, though.

They got me, too.

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blueraven  Sep 6, 2015 • 10:00:41am

OK I have been out of the loop and am very confused. So the fake Kim Davis twitter account is actually a Hillary supporter trolling everyone?

twitter.com

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Blind Frog Belly White  Sep 6, 2015 • 10:00:59am

re: #282 jaunte

I think there is enough evidence of the intent of Europeans to destroy and displace the native population (exploiting the natural accident of the plagues that they brought) to make a strong argument for the use of the word.

Honestly, I think a lot of Americans are happier with the idea that we accidentally killed them off with the diseases, then just took over the land their deaths left vacant. But we have sufficient historical evidence that it was otherwise. I suppose you could argue that we didn’t so much want them DEAD as we wanted them GONE, and simply didn’t care if they died in the process.

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Belafon  Sep 6, 2015 • 10:05:32am

re: #267 The Vicious Babushka

There needs to be an Alveda Kingfish meme

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The same Susan G Komen foundation that tried to also gut PP funding?

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bratwurst  Sep 6, 2015 • 10:05:37am

Jonah Goldberg has drawn a line in the manure pile:

No Movement That Embraces Trump Can Call Itself Conservative

Before you go thinking he’s having a broken clock moment here:

Yes, I know that there are plenty of decent and honorable people who support Trump. For instance, my friend John Nolte over at Breitbart is one.

The best response:

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Nyet  Sep 6, 2015 • 10:06:53am

re: #288 Blind Frog Belly White

The picture could be complex, including both deaths as part of a genocide and deaths as part of an unintentional introduction of new germs. They even could be both, as documented in one case. If what wiki says about 80-90% of the NA population dying of diseases, it could very well be both that deaths of most Native Americans were not part of a genocide, and that there was a genocide for the rest. It need not be either/or.

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Dr Lizardo  Sep 6, 2015 • 10:07:55am

re: #280 Nyet

Not judging who is right or wrong here, since I know squat about this particular period. However the UN def. of genocide does require intent. Genocide is not simply a mass killing or indirect causing of mass deaths.

Wouldn’t that be considered democide?

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Blind Frog Belly White  Sep 6, 2015 • 10:08:27am

re: #289 Belafon

The same Susan G Komen foundation that tried to also gut PP funding?

Now, now - you’re expecting consistency. That’s not how they work.

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The Vicious Babushka  Sep 6, 2015 • 10:10:45am

Some hard labor:

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Blind Frog Belly White  Sep 6, 2015 • 10:11:15am

re: #291 Nyet

The picture could be complex, including both deaths as part of a genocide and deaths as part of an unintentional introduction of new germs. They even could be both, as documented in one case. If what wiki says about 80-90% of the NA population dying of diseases, it could very well be both that deaths of most Native Americans were not part of a genocide, and that there was a genocide for the rest. It need not be either/or.

Agreed. My point was that, when we think about it at all, we feel better about ourselves if we imagine it all as an accident - “Oops! Looks like we killed them all by accident! Too bad about that. I guess we can have all this nice land, then.”

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#CampaignZero  Sep 6, 2015 • 10:12:08am

Sorry if already posted….

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Nyet  Sep 6, 2015 • 10:12:14am

re: #292 Dr Lizardo

Wouldn’t that be considered democide?

I like the term democide better than genocide because it is more inclusive (even though it was invented by a crazy wingnut prof. and is not official, unlike genocide). E.g. Stalin’s actions in 1937 were not genocidal, but why should they be considered any less heinous than a genocide?

That said, democide also implies some sort of intent to kill.

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Dark_Falcon  Sep 6, 2015 • 10:13:25am

re: #291 Nyet

The picture could be complex, including both deaths as part of a genocide and deaths as part of an unintentional introduction of new germs. They even could be both, as documented in one case. If what wiki says about 80-90% of the NA population dying of diseases, it could very well be both that deaths of most Native Americans were not part of a genocide, and that there was a genocide for the rest. It need not be either/or.

Thing is, its not about complexity. It’s about people who aren’t majority-Native in their ancestry not wanting to be shamed and what genocide is associated with. No one wants to have their ancestors and their country associated with bodies such as the Waffen SS or Arkan’s Tigers.

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Romantic Heretic  Sep 6, 2015 • 10:14:10am

re: #274 jaunte

To the professor: Just because you have letters after your name doesn’t mean you’re right, doesn’t mean you know everything and doesn’t mean you’re not a bigot.

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Dr Lizardo  Sep 6, 2015 • 10:15:12am

re: #298 Dark_Falcon

Thing is, its not about complexity. It’s about people who aren’t majority-Native in their ancestry not wanting to be shamed and what genocide is associated with. No one wants to have their ancestors and their country associated with bodies such as the Waffen SS or Arkan’s Tigers.

Hell, look at Turkey in regards to the Armenian Genocide. They flat-out refuse to admit it, and for the reason you cited…..no one wants to have their ancestors and their country associated with genocide.

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jaunte  Sep 6, 2015 • 10:16:02am

re: #295 Blind Frog Belly White

“Oops! Looks like we killed them all by accident! Too bad about that. I guess we can have all this nice land, then.”

The death rate among the native people in the New England area from plague (around the time that the Pilgrims arrived) was between 90-95% (three times the rate of the 1300’s Black Plague). We don’t hear much about that part of our history.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Sep 6, 2015 • 10:16:35am

re: #298 Dark_Falcon

Thing is, its not about complexity. It’s about people who aren’t majority-Native in their ancestry not wanting to be shamed and what genocide is associated with. No one wants to have their ancestors and their country associated with bodies such as the Waffen SS or Arkan’s Tigers.

“Yeah, but look - we honor them! We name our sports teams after them!”

Imagine if Germany named some of its soccer teams with various names for Jews.

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Romantic Heretic  Sep 6, 2015 • 10:19:09am

re: #288 Blind Frog Belly White

I suppose you could argue that we didn’t so much want them DEAD as we wanted them GONE, and simply didn’t care if they died in the process.

The Trail of Tears is a good example of that attitude.

All I want in this creation,
Is a pretty little wife and a big plantation,
Way up North in the Cherokee Nation.

A popular song in Georgia before The Trail of Tears.

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Dark_Falcon  Sep 6, 2015 • 10:20:08am

re: #302 Blind Frog Belly White

“Yeah, but look - we honor them! We name our sports teams after them!”

Imagine if Germany named some of its soccer teams with various names for Jews.

There’s a difference between a team called the Blackhawks that has the permission of the Native American nation they are named for and one called the Redskins that is based on a generalized slur of all Native Americans. Only the former is might called honoring, the latter is just another form of being a dick.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Sep 6, 2015 • 10:21:43am

re: #301 jaunte

The death rate among the native people in the New England area from plague (around the time that the Pilgrims arrived) was between 90-95% (three times the rate of the 1300’s Black Plague). We don’t hear much about that part of our history.

Well, they gave us syphilis and tobacco, so there’s that.

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Belafon  Sep 6, 2015 • 10:21:49am

re: #296 #CampaignZero

The American answer would be to create a new denomination.

My choice to be an atheist has, luckily, not had anything to do with His followers. It’s entirely based on my experiences and acceptance of the inconsistencies of this universe and what it would say if God were real. One of the things that would burn me up if I were Christian would be the belief I would hold that God would eventually punish those who have used His name to do the things they do. Since He’s not real, all I have to do is accept that Christian assholes are just assholes and, therefore, I can treat them as assholes.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Sep 6, 2015 • 10:23:07am

re: #304 Dark_Falcon

There’s a difference between a team called the Blackhawks that has the permission of the Native American nation they are named for and one called the Redskins that is based on a generalized slur of all Native Americans. Only the former is might called honoring, the latter is just another form of being a dick.

Yeah, but you realize that some folks defending the ‘Redskins’ name claimwe’re honoring them.

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Dark_Falcon  Sep 6, 2015 • 10:26:12am

re: #307 Blind Frog Belly White

Yeah, but you realize that some folks defending the ‘Redskins’ name claimwe’re honoring them.

Oh yes, I know. But as I made clear last fall, I think those people are serious in error at best or bigoted assholes at worst. Where an individual falls along that continuum depends upon their specific beliefs and attitudes, of course.

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stpaulbear  Sep 6, 2015 • 10:26:48am

re: #298 Dark_Falcon

When we compare atrocities that happened in this country to atrocities that happened in other countries so that we can say to ourselves “at least we’re not like them”, we’re trying to deny the severity of atrocities can and do happened in this country.

We need to be able to look at stuff that is happening here and now without trying to compare it to other stuff. The comparisons are almost always highly flawed, and don’t help us come to terms with the problems (other than to give people the false comfort that we’re not as bad as those guys).

I hope this makes sense.

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b_sharp  Sep 6, 2015 • 10:33:50am

re: #294 The Vicious Babushka

Some hard labor:

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It’s twisted.

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BlueSpotinAL  Sep 6, 2015 • 10:37:51am

re: #300 Dr Lizardo

Hell, look at Turkey in regards to the Armenian Genocide. They flat-out refuse to admit it, and for the reason you cited…..no one wants to have their ancestors and their country associated with genocide.

I don’t know if my following generalization applies to Turkey/Armenia, but my experience is that the reason is because they share the same prejudices as their ancestors about that group, and have a hard time dealing with it. For example, holocaust deniers are never disinterested historians, but invariably antisemites. sergey may know of an exception, I would like to hear it if so.

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Jebediah, RBG  Sep 6, 2015 • 11:21:16am

re: #49 Jenner7

She ends the letter with, “As Jesus told his deciples before His death, think of me fondly.”

Is a “deciple” one who only follows one-tenth of a set of teachings?

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Nyet  Sep 6, 2015 • 2:07:03pm

re: #311 BlueSpotinAL

For example, holocaust deniers are never disinterested historians, but invariably antisemites. sergey may know of an exception, I would like to hear it if so.

One of the co-authors of our anti-denial tome (who wrote a significant part of it) is a former denier who denied for non-antisemitic reasons - he simply became entangled in all the denier arguments of the more seemingly “intellectual” denier authors, the ones that write books with hundreds of footnotes, with sources in 5-10 languages and with citations of various unpublished documents from foreign archives. If a curious but somewhat ignorant layman with a “heretic” mindset comes upon such obscure works, the chances of “seduction” are not quite minuscule.

This quickly passed when he began studying history at a university. Here’s his story.

Another example might be Jean-Claude Pressac, a former “disciple” of Faurisson, who understood that he was wrong after visiting the Auschwitz archive. He wrote a classic work on the Auschwitz gas chambers afterwards. I haven’t seen any evidence of his antisemitism (unlike, say, with Faurisson).

I would say that although there are exceptional non-antisemitic Holocaust deniers, if one is a denier, the burden of proof that he is not also an antisemite is on him. By default it is reasonable to assume antisemitism in such a case, and in 98 cases out of 100 you will be right.

Note that HD is a special case though, which cannot be automatically transferred on other cases. There is a whole spectrum of those.

Holocaust denial is most usually the denial of most of the events as such. While a pro-Turkish genocide denial may also minimize and relativize, it has been my experience that they usually don’t deny the hundreds of thousands of victims, while denying the intent, organization, systematicity, etc. So basically this lies at a different point on the denial spectrum than HD.

There are also cases where one side will claim genocide, another will deny it, and the neutral scholars will be split. Such is the case with the Soviet famine of ‘32-‘33, with most Ukrainian historians claiming it was genocide against Ukrainians, most Russian historians insisting it wasn’t, and Western historians being split (although not necessarily 50/50). I would say there is a genuine scholarly dispute here, with myself leaning to the Scottish verdict of “not proven” due to the difficulty of proving Stalin’s specifically anti-Ukrainian intent in his actions (although it was certainly a democide). Which doesn’t mean that I would deny that probably for most non-liberal Russian scholars their “patriotism” plays a role in their skeptical stance (then again, it plays the same role for the Ukrainian side). So these are murky cases which are better left out of “genocide denial” disputes because both positions are legitimate to a point. [NB: the last sentence refers to the terminological disputes where most facts are more or less agreed upon; obviously there is no lack of Stalinists that either deny most of the famine, or deny any role of Stalin in the famine, etc. - those are forms of denial, although not necessarily genocide denial - that would depend on how one classifies the famine.]

Then there is another extreme end of spectrum which puts the label on anything. Israel is guilty of a “genocide” of Palestinians, these folks say, and so on.

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palomino  Sep 6, 2015 • 3:27:49pm

re: #156 Dark_Falcon

Gus Garcia-Roberts can take his snark and file it in his desk. Larry Vickers is very well regarded in the firearms community and he doesn’t teach his students crap. Someone may go into his class an ammosexual, but they’re going to come out with greater thought and understanding about firearms or they go home early with a boot in their ass.

Then the firearms community is seriously fucked up. You’ve become an apologist for Islamophobic homophobic sexist paranoiacs who see guns as the solution to everything.

You should be ashamed.

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Great White Snark  Sep 6, 2015 • 5:30:39pm

re: #314 palomino

So will one or another of the critics of my comment step up and say something? Kinda late to the objection, no? If not for the bottom comments I’d have no clue anyone had an issue.

littlegreenfootballs.com

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Great White Snark  Sep 6, 2015 • 5:46:54pm

re: #129 Kragar

And Palomino-

I really don’t want to get into an argument on this Larry Vickers guy personally. He was a founder of a shooting sport that I enjoy and I once had the responsibility of helping manage in my state. I assume this is the same guy. Fat shaming? Really? That’s pretty low.

My objection is that you can’t have a certain argument both ways. That training in tactical handgun perhaps to carry CCW is both a necessary thing and a bad thing.

EDIT
Okay a second objection-Writer took it to the personal and just flat out contemptuous of another person level. We gotta do better than that in the whole gun discussion. I know there are guys with guns screaming crap on twitter and FB. Better to elevate the conversation, no?

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palomino  Sep 6, 2015 • 10:58:38pm

re: #316 Great White Snark

And Palomino-

I really don’t want to get into an argument on this Larry Vickers guy personally. He was a founder of a shooting sport that I enjoy and I once had the responsibility of helping manage in my state. I assume this is the same guy. Fat shaming? Really? That’s pretty low.

My objection is that you can’t have a certain argument both ways. That training in tactical handgun perhaps to carry CCW is both a necessary thing and a bad thing.

EDIT
Okay a second objection-Writer took it to the personal and just flat out contemptuous of another person level. We gotta do better than that in the whole gun discussion. I know there are guys with guns screaming crap on twitter and FB. Better to elevate the conversation, no?

All I said was that, based on the article, Vickers seems like a bigoted jerk. Among other things, he refuses to train Muslims/Middle Easterners/Arabs/whatever to shoot. Seems dickish to me. And thus being a staunch defender of the guy seems lame for someone like DF, who is very well versed in all things gun related.

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Great White Snark  Sep 7, 2015 • 7:45:58am

re: #317 palomino

The article was flat out a hit piece and insulting distortion of what civilian defensive handgun is all about, how it’s done and who goes. While there may be some truth about Larry, I won’t sit still for the garbage also contained in the article. I walked that walk for ten years or more.

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palomino  Sep 7, 2015 • 4:53:35pm

re: #318 Great White Snark

The article was flat out a hit piece and insulting distortion of what civilian defensive handgun is all about, how it’s done and who goes. While there may be some truth about Larry, I won’t sit still for the garbage also contained in the article. I walked that walk for ten years or more.

But the article and my comments are about LARRY, not the firearm self-defense movement you’re talking about. And Larry, the guy who turns away Muslims/Arabs/Middle Easterners is kind of a dick, in my opinion. Furthermore, read his words about gays and women; he’s just a retro jerk, the kind that’s fading away outside white rural America.

So he’s hardly the one to hold up as a poster boy for the firearm self-defense movement. Which is why I called out DF for his take on it, which was that because Vickers commands some respect within a small community, he must be some kind of great guy. Sorry, I don’t see it. He seems more like an old jerk who just happens to have firearm expertise.


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