GOHMERT! Louie Vows to Quit Congress and Wait for “Nuclear Holocaust”

The Gohmert is bereft
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In today’s episode of The Weird World of Gohmert, Louie has sent an email to Glenn Beck (of course, who else?) telling Beck he’s so gravely upset over the Iran deal that he plans to stop running for Congress and just wait for the inevitable “nuclear Holocaust” he knows is coming.

Has there ever been a right wing crackpot more amusing than the Gohmert?

Beck read the email on air during his radio show.

“I just got an email from Louie Gohmert. He said, ‘Last week, I announced to the world if the House and Senate will treat Iran — the Iran treaty as a treaty, I will not run for my congressional seat again. It’s the only thing that I have left that our leadership wants beside my integrity,’” Beck said.

“And after last week that I spent in Egypt, I feel so compelled to do absolutely everything I can to derail this president’s drastic move towards a nuclear Holocaust,” Beck read. “I won’t run again if the House voted on my attached resolution and the Senate voted on ratification.”

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93 comments
1
Eric The Fruit Bat  Sep 9, 2015 • 4:16:29pm

I don’t believe this for one second.

After all Louie is clinically crazy.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 9, 2015 • 4:17:22pm

“treaty”

Gohmert is so stupid.

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thedopefishlives  Sep 9, 2015 • 4:17:48pm

re: #1 Eric The Fruit Bat

I don’t believe this for one second.

Of course not. It’s as much a publicity stunt as threatening to move to Canada over Obama’s election or Obamacare. But, hey, whenever GOHMERT! opens his mouth, derp comes out.

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thedopefishlives  Sep 9, 2015 • 4:18:43pm

Actually, here’s a question. How sure are we that this is for real? I wouldn’t put it past Beck to pull a Limbaugh and make this shit up out of thin air.

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WhatEVs  Sep 9, 2015 • 4:18:58pm

Best news of the day. Total BS, but hey, one can hope.

Not that it matters. After 25 years of Limbaugh/Fox brainwashing, there’s thousands more like him. And they’re true believers. We’re really screwed as a nation. For a generation. Whether D’s or R’s win. The R’s are going to all be the insane clown kind.

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Higgs Boson's Mate  Sep 9, 2015 • 4:19:11pm
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Eric The Fruit Bat  Sep 9, 2015 • 4:19:57pm
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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Sep 9, 2015 • 4:21:32pm
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Archangelus  Sep 9, 2015 • 4:21:58pm

Ok, firstly, since when do “Integrity” and “Gohmert” fit together in the same sentence (excluding forms of comedy and sarcasm)?

Secondly, on the off chance that he might somehow see this: Dear Mr. Gohmert,

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wrenchwench  Sep 9, 2015 • 4:23:04pm

re: #8 klys (maker of Silmarils)

Congrats to the 37 people who became citizens of the USA in a naturalization ceremony held at Mammoth Hot Springs!

Can’t get much more naturalized than that.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Sep 9, 2015 • 4:23:34pm

I still cannot get how taking Iran from their current 2-month window to a 1 year window, and then holding them there = ‘practically handing them nukes’.

I mean, I can sort of understand not wanting the sanctions lifted, and wanting the hostages back (though did any of these assholes ever mention them before?), and not wanting Iran to gain anything politically, but for shit’s sake, how can something that TAKES AWAY 98% of their enriched uranium and 70% of the centrifuges they used to make it, and disabling their plutonium-producing reactor count as GIVING them nukes?

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Skip Intro  Sep 9, 2015 • 4:24:11pm

re: #5 WhatEVs

Best news of the day. Total BS, but hey, one can hope.

Not that it matters. After 25 years of Limbaugh/Fox brainwashing, there’s thousands more like him. And they’re true believers. We’re really screwed as a nation. For a generation. Whether D’s or R’s win. The R’s are going to all be the insane clown kind.

Millions, not thousands. And you’re right; as a nation we’re totally screwed.

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Archangelus  Sep 9, 2015 • 4:24:32pm

...

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wrenchwench  Sep 9, 2015 • 4:26:50pm

re: #11 Blind Frog Belly White

I still cannot get how taking Iran from their current 2-month window to a 1 year window, and then holding them there = ‘practically handing them nukes’.

I mean, I can sort of understand not wanting the sanctions lifted, and wanting the hostages back (though did any of these assholes ever mention them before?), and not wanting Iran to gain anything politically, but for shit’s sake, how can something that TAKES AWAY 98% of their enriched uranium and 70% of the centrifuges they used to make it, and disabling their plutonium-producing reactor count as GIVING them nukes?

When Ernest Moniz retires and Sarah Palin takes his position, that’s how.

/////I hope….

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nines09  Sep 9, 2015 • 4:26:59pm

Maybe he can join Chuck Norris and Ted Nugent who may be on the run or dead as I type this. An asparagus has more cognitive brain cells. And everyone is correct in assuming there are a few million just like him. And they vote.

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b.d.  Sep 9, 2015 • 4:28:50pm

According to opensecrets.org Louie Ghomert’s campaign has over $130,000 cash on hand.
opensecrets.org

Will Louie donate that not needed money to veteran’s groups? Can we get Trump to write him a letter asking?

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Higgs Boson's Mate  Sep 9, 2015 • 4:30:52pm

re: #11 Blind Frog Belly White

The Iran treaty will be giving them nukes the same way that Planned Parenthood was selling babby parts and Ronald Reagan was the bestest Presnent Evar.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 9, 2015 • 4:31:26pm

heh

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EPR-radar  Sep 9, 2015 • 4:33:15pm

re: #17 Higgs Boson’s Mate

The Iran treaty will be giving them nukes the same way that Planned Parenthood was selling babby parts and Ronald Reagan was the bestest Presnent Evar.

Just like how creationism is science, tax cuts always pay for themselves and government needs to help the rich against the poor.

It’s really difficult to find an element of GOP orthodoxy that isn’t based on a Big Lie or two.

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Eric The Fruit Bat  Sep 9, 2015 • 4:33:44pm

re: #9 Archangelus

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Higgs Boson's Mate  Sep 9, 2015 • 4:34:03pm

re: #18 Backwoods_Sleuth

Paul Revere in cap and bells? I could dig it.
“The British are coming! The British are coming! No! They really are this time…”

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 9, 2015 • 4:36:55pm

oops

This would be the LtGov when we had our last Republican governor in Kentucky, Ernie Fletcher.
Gov. Fletcher got caught up in huge pay to play scandals and selling appointed government positions.
He gave blanket preemptive pardons to everyone in his administration before any charges were even brought.

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EPR-radar  Sep 9, 2015 • 4:37:44pm

re: #5 WhatEVs

Best news of the day. Total BS, but hey, one can hope.

Not that it matters. After 25 years of Limbaugh/Fox brainwashing, there’s thousands more like him. And they’re true believers. We’re really screwed as a nation. For a generation. Whether D’s or R’s win. The R’s are going to all be the insane clown kind.

It’s really hard to see how the GOP can consistently lose presidential elections during the entire length of time it will take for the insanity to end (if it ever does).

So sooner or later we’ll have a RWNJ president. It’s really beyond imagining what kind of damage that would lead to, especially if combined with GOP control of both houses on Congress.

This scenario is most certainly the single largest near-term threat to the US.

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WhatEVs  Sep 9, 2015 • 4:39:21pm

re: #23 EPR-radar

It’s really hard to see how the GOP can consistently lose presidential elections during the entire length of time it will take for the insanity to end (if it ever does).

So sooner or later we’ll have a RWNJ president. It’s really beyond imagining what kind of damage that would lead to, especially if combined with GOP control of both houses on Congress.

This scenario is most certainly the single largest near-term threat to the US.

I don’t know about federal, there are a lot of sane voters. Local and statewide for sure though.

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EPR-radar  Sep 9, 2015 • 4:41:30pm

I can’t even understand what Gohmert’s email is trying to say. The word salad here is Palinesque.

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Bubblehead II  Sep 9, 2015 • 4:41:43pm

Lizards, going to call it night. With the way the last thread was starting to end (way back machine) have some Springsteen.

Bruce Springsteen - Glory Days

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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Sep 9, 2015 • 4:43:56pm

re: #23 EPR-radar

It’s really hard to see how the GOP can consistently lose presidential elections during the entire length of time it will take for the insanity to end (if it ever does).

So sooner or later we’ll have a RWNJ president. It’s really beyond imagining what kind of damage that would lead to, especially if combined with GOP control of both houses on Congress.

This scenario is most certainly the single largest near-term threat to the US.

i’ll give you 50/50 trump will win next year

either that, or he’ll destroy the gop

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Skip Intro  Sep 9, 2015 • 4:45:04pm

re: #23 EPR-radar

I’d start worrying about this election. I keep waiting for the Dems to make some noise about the insanity in the GOP and I keep hearing nothing.

Do they think these people will suddenly become sane and act responsibly? Haven’t all these years with a Republican Congress proven just the opposite?

If Hillary still thinks she’s going to be the next Pres she better step up her game now. A split Democratic Party is all it will take to elect President Trump or President Carson.

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Csarneson  Sep 9, 2015 • 4:48:22pm

I’ve read his email 3 times and I honestly have no idea what he is actually saying. Where is the bar exactly? The nation would love to get rid of him through any means including a technicality but is he saying that the Senate would have to approve the deal before he agrees to not run? Do they simply have to vote on it? Can anybody figure that out?

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Higgs Boson's Mate  Sep 9, 2015 • 4:48:52pm

re: #27 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸

i’ll give you 50/50 trump will win next year

either that, or he’ll destroy the gop

It’s looking more and more like one of them will be elected. Clinton’s handling of the email issue suggests that we can put “She’s learned a lot since 2008,” to bed.

Yes, I know the arguments on that one. The truth didn’t help Kerry, it didn’t help Max Cleland.

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Skip Intro  Sep 9, 2015 • 4:49:28pm

re: #27 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸

Sheldon Adelson is looking for a way to stop Trump. He’s looking for a candidate who will put Israel’s interests above those of the US, and with $28 billion he’s sure to find someone. No more being the sucker by supporting a fool like Newt Gingrich this time.

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EPR-radar  Sep 9, 2015 • 4:53:12pm

re: #28 Skip Intro

I’d start worrying about this election. I keep waiting for the Dems to make some noise about the insanity in the GOP and I keep hearing nothing.

Do they think these people will suddenly become sane and act responsibly? Haven’t all these years with a Republican Congress proven just the opposite?

If Hillary still thinks she’s going to be the next Pres she better step up her game now. A split Democratic Party is all it will take to elect President Trump or President Carson.

I definitely agree that 2016 is not to be taken for granted by the Democrats. If nothing else, there are swing voters out there who will vote for the GOP simply because it is ‘their turn’.

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EPR-radar  Sep 9, 2015 • 4:55:37pm

re: #30 Higgs Boson’s Mate

It’s looking more and more like one of them will be elected. Clinton’s handling of the email issue suggests that we can put “She’s learned a lot since 2008,” to bed.

Yes, I know the arguments on that one. The truth didn’t help Kerry, it didn’t help Max Cleland.

The email issue is obnoxious. Either it was common practice at the time, in which case the Democrats should have been able to show a dozen or more examples of Republican cabinet officials doing the same thing, or it was unprecedented, making it a damn fool thing for the presumptive (D) candidate to do.

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Charles Johnson  Sep 9, 2015 • 4:55:37pm

re: #25 EPR-radar

I can’t even understand what Gohmert’s email is trying to say. The word salad here is Palinesque.

It’s totally incoherent! That’s why I love the big goof.

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Charles Johnson  Sep 9, 2015 • 4:55:44pm
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Aunty Entity Dragon  Sep 9, 2015 • 4:55:50pm

I will leave Congress so I can watch America burn in nuclear hellfire as just payment for transgressing against Almighty God and the will of Real American Republicans who are ordained and justified by Grace to rule and have been subverted by cowardly backstabbing Democrat liberals, the radical homo agitators, and willful, ungodly women and their subversive ladyparts!

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 9, 2015 • 4:57:09pm

Why isn’t it written in AMERICAN??!!??

(Happy birthday, California!)

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Teukka  Sep 9, 2015 • 4:57:40pm

re: #35 Charles Johnson

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Lolwhut?

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teleskiguy  Sep 9, 2015 • 4:58:59pm

Louie Gohmert is like those so-called Christians threatening to set themselves on fire when gay marriage was legalized. There is no smoke from the fire in their bellies.

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Aunty Entity Dragon  Sep 9, 2015 • 4:59:40pm

re: #37 Backwoods_Sleuth

One of the coolest things I ever saw was an original land deed from 1890 or so for the older Earp brother filed at the San Bernardino County Courthouse when I was with a small moving outfit loading up furniture and records to move to the new courthouse back around 1989. It was in a batch of documents we were putting in boxes.

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Skip Intro  Sep 9, 2015 • 5:00:37pm

re: #37 Backwoods_Sleuth

Why isn’t it written in AMERICAN??!!??

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(Happy birthday, California!)

That’s why they hate us.

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bratwurst  Sep 9, 2015 • 5:01:44pm

Don’t get your hopes up, folks…after all, Ted Nugent promised “I will be either be dead or in jail” within a year of Obama’s re-election.

As far as I know he is alive and a free man today.

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Belafon  Sep 9, 2015 • 5:03:14pm

re: #11 Blind Frog Belly White

I still cannot get how taking Iran from their current 2-month window to a 1 year window, and then holding them there = ‘practically handing them nukes’.

I mean, I can sort of understand not wanting the sanctions lifted, and wanting the hostages back (though did any of these assholes ever mention them before?), and not wanting Iran to gain anything politically, but for shit’s sake, how can something that TAKES AWAY 98% of their enriched uranium and 70% of the centrifuges they used to make it, and disabling their plutonium-producing reactor count as GIVING them nukes?

Anything that takes us farther away from war obviously puts us closer to harm.

//

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Aunty Entity Dragon  Sep 9, 2015 • 5:03:51pm

re: #42 bratwurst

Don’t get your hopes up, folks…after all, Ted Nugent promised “I will be either be dead or in jail” within a year of Obama’s re-election.

As far as I know he is alive and a free man today.

I totally think somebody should play his pedo anthem Jailbait the next time Kim Davis gets locked up.

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Decatur Deb  Sep 9, 2015 • 5:04:51pm

Uhhh, People—We lizards have assigned ourselves a role as the entomologists of the TPGOP. All we see is the bugs, and it is starting to make some of us think everyone is a bug. We are not in deep national trouble, certainly no deeper than usual.

Trump will not be the GOP candidate because Hillary could never get that lucky. Sadly, Sanders will not be the Dem candidate—we barely elect centrists, not socialists. If HRC implodes, Biden will fill the role seamlessly, and will win. That doesn’t mean it won’t take some hard work and a bit of sacrifice.

The country looks like it is slipping away because we simply didn’t all realize how deep the shit has always been. We are making progress, and the kids are alright.

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b.d.  Sep 9, 2015 • 5:05:36pm

Do the wingnuts not think that if Iran used a nuke on somebody that they would cease to exist about 20 minutes later?

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Charles Johnson  Sep 9, 2015 • 5:06:39pm
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Eric The Fruit Bat  Sep 9, 2015 • 5:06:46pm

re: #46 b.d.

Now substitute Israel for Iran.

Would the same rules apply?

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Belafon  Sep 9, 2015 • 5:07:12pm

re: #33 EPR-radar

The email issue is obnoxious. Either it was common practice at the time, in which case the Democrats should have been able to show a dozen or more examples of Republican cabinet officials doing the same thing, or it was unprecedented, making it a damn fool thing for the presumptive (D) candidate to do.

It was common practice, and you forget, IOKIYAR. It wouldn’t matter ever every Republican did it, it would still be bad for Clinton.

What I am tired of are Democrats wringing their hands over this and not yelling “bullshit” every time someone brings this up.

Bullshit!

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Teukka  Sep 9, 2015 • 5:07:38pm

re: #46 b.d.

Do the wingnuts not think that if Iran used a nuke on somebody that they would cease to exist about 20 minutes later?

More like 30, but yeah.

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b_sharp  Sep 9, 2015 • 5:09:20pm

OT:

My son and daughter-in-law were here over the weekend. They live in Vancouver so we don’t get to see them very often, actually only three times since they were married 10 yrs ago. They reserved & paid for a room for us at the Moose Jaw Temple Gardens hot springs spa. I’ve never been in a hotel room that big before, it must have been 600 - 700 sq ft in size, it was YOOOGE!

All day Saturday and Sunday, they helped V squeeze and jar more crab apple jelly than I’ve ever seen on our kitchen table at one time before. Mind you it wasn’t the crab apple jelly that was important, it was the close contact between V and her son & DiL. It made her quite happy.

After they bought us supper at The Keg, we said our goodbyes & V cried.

Because they were on my mind and her documentary is about to be broadcast on CBC in a couple of weeks, I looked up my DiLs name on Google and found out she has her own IMBd page. I have a famous DiL.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 9, 2015 • 5:09:31pm

re: #47 Charles Johnson

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I thought he said he already had all that “proof”.

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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Sep 9, 2015 • 5:11:27pm

re: #45 Decatur Deb

Uhhh, People—We lizards have assigned ourselves a role as the entomologists of the TPGOP. All we see is the bugs, and it is starting to make some of us think everyone is a bug. We are not in deep national trouble, certainly no deeper than usual.

Trump will not be the GOP candidate because Hillary could never get that lucky. Sadly, Sanders will not be the Dem candidate—we barely elect centrists, not socialists. If HRC implodes, Biden will fill the role seamlessly, and will win. That doesn’t mean it won’t take some hard work and a bit of sacrifice.

The country looks like it is slipping away because we simply didn’t all realize how deep the shit has always been. We are making progress, and the kids are alright.

okay, but who can possibly be nominated by the gop if it isnt trump?

if they nominate jeb, they might as well give and go home since the baggers wont touch him with a ten foot pole

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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Sep 9, 2015 • 5:12:20pm

re: #45 Decatur Deb

Uhhh, People—We lizards have assigned ourselves a role as the entomologists of the TPGOP

btw an extra upding for this

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Decatur Deb  Sep 9, 2015 • 5:13:25pm

re: #53 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸

okay, but who can possibly be nominated by the gop if it isnt trump?

if they nominate jeb, they might as well give and go home since the baggers wont touch him with a ten foot pole

You say that like it’s a Bad Thing.

(Really, at about this phase of the last GOP shitshow, Bachmann or someone else from Mars was the frontrunner.)

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b.d.  Sep 9, 2015 • 5:13:32pm

Awww, memories of an award winning journalist.

re: #47 Charles Johnson

It’s hard to believe that this was only a year ago

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Charles Johnson  Sep 9, 2015 • 5:14:11pm
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b.d.  Sep 9, 2015 • 5:15:21pm

re: #48 Eric The Fruit Bat

Now substitute Israel for Iran.

Would the same rules apply?

I would assume so. It would probably not be a US nuke that takes them out but someone would retaliate.

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Aunty Entity Dragon  Sep 9, 2015 • 5:17:51pm

re: #45 Decatur Deb

Uhhh, People—We lizards have assigned ourselves a role as the entomologists of the TPGOP. All we see is the bugs, and it is starting to make some of us think everyone is a bug. We are not in deep national trouble, certainly no deeper than usual.

Trump will not be the GOP candidate because Hillary could never get that lucky. Sadly, Sanders will not be the Dem candidate—we barely elect centrists, not socialists. If HRC implodes, Biden will fill the role seamlessly, and will win. That doesn’t mean it won’t take some hard work and a bit of sacrifice.

The country looks like it is slipping away because we simply didn’t all realize how deep the shit has always been. We are making progress, and the kids are alright.

I don’t agree. The Senate and Congress have not seen this degree of polarization and dysfunction since the years proceeding the Civil War, and calls for armed insurrection go out on a near daily basis among right wing websites. We damned near had the real thing only a year ago at the Bundy Ranch.

It is entirely possible that entrenched resistance to government legitimacy will make America effectively ungovernable. Right wing talk radio and online media have been spewing this poison into the body politic for years, and we are seeing the fruit of it now: xenophobia, neo fascist rhetoric from the leading GOP candidate, self styled militias openly carrying arms, and most worryingly, the return of the oft dead but never truly buried ‘nullification’ doctrine where states or local officials simply ignore federal law.

This is how countries split. The GOP has spent the entire last generation telling their base that Democrats are not even real Americans and should be regarded as potential traitors (which basically sums up the GOP ad campaign against former Dem Georgia Senator and war hero Max Cleland back in 2002) I think is it far too early to assume the United States will survive this century in its present form.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Sep 9, 2015 • 5:18:51pm

re: #58 b.d.

I would assume so. It would probably not be a US nuke that takes them out but someone would retaliate.

I think if a missile were launched from Iran and detonated a nuclear weapon in Israel, we would nuke Tehran as overtly as possible so it wouldn’t be Israel doing it. That is, if we could stop Israel doing it first.

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Aunty Entity Dragon  Sep 9, 2015 • 5:20:37pm

re: #60 Blind Frog Belly White

I think if a missile were launched from Iran and detonated a nuclear weapon in Israel, we would nuke Tehran as overtly as possible so it wouldn’t be Israel doing it. That is, if we could stop Israel doing it first.

Iran would not launch it. They would get a proxy to do it and dare Israel to prove where the fissile material came from.

Pakistan? North Korea? A former Soviet Republic?

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Teukka  Sep 9, 2015 • 5:21:23pm

re: #61 Aunty Entity Dragon

Iran would not launch it. They would get a proxy to do it.

Or have unconventional delivery (e.g. van outside some building).

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Charles Johnson  Sep 9, 2015 • 5:21:58pm

re: #60 Blind Frog Belly White

I think if a missile were launched from Iran and detonated a nuclear weapon in Israel, we would nuke Tehran as overtly as possible so it wouldn’t be Israel doing it. That is, if we could stop Israel doing it first.

Israel would retaliate massively before we even had a chance to think about it.

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b.d.  Sep 9, 2015 • 5:22:53pm

re: #61 Aunty Entity Dragon

Iran would not launch it. They would get a proxy to do it.

We would claim that the blast signature matches only what Iran could produce somehow or something similar. Iran would not get away with it.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Sep 9, 2015 • 5:23:47pm

re: #61 Aunty Entity Dragon

Iran would not launch it. They would get a proxy to do it.

And who will believe they didn’t do it?

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jaunte  Sep 9, 2015 • 5:24:25pm

re: #56 b.d.

Awww, memories of an award winning journalist.

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It’s hard to believe that this was only a year ago

“Social media analysis” = “I saw it on the internet”

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Decatur Deb  Sep 9, 2015 • 5:24:37pm

re: #59 Aunty Entity Dragon

I don’t agree. The Senate and Congress have not seen this degree of polarization and dysfunction since the years proceeding the Civil War, and calls for armed insurrection go out on a near daily basis among right wing websites. We damned near had the real thing only a year ago at the Bundy Ranch.

It is entirely possible that entrenched resistance to government legitimacy will make America effectively ungovernable. Right wing talk radio and online media have been spewing this poison into the body politic for years, and we are seeing the fruit of it now: xenophobia, neo fascist rhetoric from the leading GOP candidate, self styled militias openly carrying arms, and most worryingly, the return of the oft dead but never truly buried ‘nullification’ doctrine where states or local officials simply ignore federal law.

This is how countries split. The GOP has spent the entire last generation telling their base that Democrats are not even real Americans and should be regarded as potential traitors (which basically sums up the GOP ad campaign against former Dem Georgia Senator and war hero Max Cleland back in 2002) I think is it far too early to assume the United States will survive this century in its present form.

That’s mostly micro stuff. (If someone had pulled a trigger at Bundy Ranch the endgame would have been less traumatic than Waco.) It would take an economic or natural hit stronger than the Great Depression to get the mass of Americans aware, let alone involved. Inertia has a wonderful stabilizing effect.

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Teukka  Sep 9, 2015 • 5:26:04pm

re: #64 b.d.

We would claim that the blast signature matches only what Iran could produce somehow or something similar. Iran would not get away with it.

More like the Gamma spectrum of the fallout would match only something Iran could produce. If I remember things correctly, each country has slightly different ways of producing fissile material, with different contaminants, which will produce slightly different fallout spectrums.

For more on the technique, see Gamma Spectroscopy on Wikipedia.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Sep 9, 2015 • 5:26:37pm

re: #63 Charles Johnson

Israel would retaliate massively before we even had a chance to think about it.

That’s probably true. The question is, launch on detection or launch on detonation?

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Teukka  Sep 9, 2015 • 5:27:28pm

re: #68 Teukka

Addendum: The technique is featured in Sum of All Fears, at least the movie version of it.

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b.d.  Sep 9, 2015 • 5:28:11pm

re: #68 Teukka

More like the Gamma spectrum of the fallout would match only something Iran could produce. If I remember things correctly, each country has slightly different ways of producing fissile material, with different contaminants, which will produce slightly different fallout spectrums.

For more on the technique, see Gamma Spectroscopy on Wikipedia.

Thanks

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Shiplord Kirel  Sep 9, 2015 • 5:28:15pm

re: #68 Teukka

More like the Gamma spectrum of the fallout would match only something Iran could produce. If I remember things correctly, each country has slightly different ways of producing fissile material, with different contaminants, which will produce slightly different fallout spectrums.

For more on the technique, see Gamma Spectroscopy on Wikipedia.

Yep. Every nuke comes with a return address.

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Teukka  Sep 9, 2015 • 5:28:24pm

re: #69 Blind Frog Belly White

That’s probably true. The question is, launch on detection or launch on detonation?

launch on warning (LOW) is the proper term. IIRC, Israel is rumored to be a LOW country.

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Decatur Deb  Sep 9, 2015 • 5:28:52pm

re: #64 b.d.

We would claim that the blast signature matches only what Iran could produce somehow or something similar. Iran would not get away with it.

If anyone pops a nuke in the mideast, there is no guarantee the response would stay within a Damascus/Riyadh/Tehran/Karachi quadrangle. There’s about 200-400 weapons already there.

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Eric The Fruit Bat  Sep 9, 2015 • 5:29:43pm

re: #58 b.d.

Anyone with a scintilla of knowledge knows that Israel has at least two dozen functional nuclear warheads with capabilities of delivering them within a good-sized radius of most (if not all) of the Middle East. The more sane Israeli military leadership also know damn well using any such device will all but guarantee that all Islamic sectarian battles will be immediately set aside so the sole purpose of eliminating the Zionist state is achieved, and there isn’t a thing either the UN or a US veto can do about it. Don’t forget while we may have subs lurking about, so do the Russians, with just as capable gear, and they probably have a ELF link to Tehran just like Tel Aviv has one to Washington.

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Aunty Entity Dragon  Sep 9, 2015 • 5:32:28pm

re: #64 b.d.

We would claim that the blast signature matches only what Iran could produce somehow or something similar. Iran would not get away with it.

You need the chemical fingerprint of the fissile material, whether it is Uranium or Plutonium. The Plutonium stored in Washington State at Hanford or at the various power plants onsite where it was produced (like the Savannah River site…since Yucca Mtn Repository was killed in 2010) has all been sampled and the unique chemical signature is on file. However, we don’t have that for other plutonium end product owners. It might be a little easier to point a finger if it is a uranium bomb, since we know Iran tried to work that pathway.

If it is a plutonium bomb…good luck with that. If Israel ended up frying 15 million ppl in Iran only to find that a lone wolf group got the bomb from Pakistan, you would have WW3 and we would be the only ones on Israel’s side, and it would be real hard to keep that up.

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teleskiguy  Sep 9, 2015 • 5:33:00pm
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Aunty Entity Dragon  Sep 9, 2015 • 5:33:46pm

re: #75 Eric The Fruit Bat

Anyone with a scintilla of knowledge knows that Israel has at least two dozen functional nuclear warheads with capabilities of delivering them within a good-sized radius of most (if not all) of the Middle East. The more sane Israeli military leadership also know damn well using any such device will all but guarantee that all Islamic sectarian battles will be immediately set aside so the sole purpose of eliminating the Zionist state is achieved, and there isn’t a thing either the UN or a US veto can do about it. Don’t forget while we may have subs lurking about, so do the Russians, with just as capable gear, and they probably have a ELF link to Tehran just like Tel Aviv has one to Washington.

Probably more like 200 deliverable weapons.

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Belafon  Sep 9, 2015 • 5:34:23pm

How laws get used in ways they weren’t originally meant to be used:

NC Teen Charged As Adult For Taking & Having Naked Pics of a Minor - Himself

A 17-year-old boy is facing 10 years in prison after being charged as an adult for having sexually explicit photos of a minor - himself.

..
Authorities said the sexting charges came about when police took Copening’s phone while investigating another incident. Officers discovered ‘sext’ messages between Copening and his 16 year old girlfriend.
..

Both teenagers were charged as adults for the sexual exploitation of minors - themselves - for taking and possessing naked photos. His girlfriend took a plea deal on a misdemeanor charge of ‘disseminating harmful material to minors’.

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Teukka  Sep 9, 2015 • 5:34:42pm

re: #75 Eric The Fruit Bat

Anyone with a scintilla of knowledge knows that Israel has at least two dozen functional nuclear warheads with capabilities of delivering them within a good-sized radius of most (if not all) of the Middle East. The more sane Israeli military leadership also know damn well using any such device will all but guarantee that all Islamic sectarian battles will be immediately set aside so the sole purpose of eliminating the Zionist state is achieved, and there isn’t a thing either the UN or a US veto can do about it. Don’t forget while we may have subs lurking about, so do the Russians, with just as capable gear, and they probably have a ELF link to Tehran just like Tel Aviv has one to Washington.

Numbers I’ve seen quoted say between 80 and 400 warheads.
Source: Nuclear weapons and Israel - Wikipedia

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Decatur Deb  Sep 9, 2015 • 5:38:02pm

re: #80 Teukka

Numbers I’ve seen quoted say between 80 and 400 warheads.
Source: Nuclear weapons and Israel - Wikipedia

More than enough, with Pakistan’s 150-200 in the wings.

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Teukka  Sep 9, 2015 • 5:39:23pm

re: #81 Decatur Deb

More than enough, with Pakistan’s 150-200 in the wings.

Yep. Even a couple going off will be bad enough in terms of civvie casualties.

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Aunty Entity Dragon  Sep 9, 2015 • 5:40:27pm

re: #67 Decatur Deb

The wackos at Waco Texas didn’t have a major news network recruiting for them 24/7. Bundy did. I saw the set up before the feds decided to call it a day. That was going to be a bloodbath with dozens dead within minutes and calls going out online to start armed insurrection in other locals. The Bundy folks were really prepped for their firefight, and Fox News was egging it on nonstop. We haven’t seen this kind of thing since the days of the fire-eaters from the slave owning states.

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Jenner7  Sep 9, 2015 • 5:40:58pm
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Aunty Entity Dragon  Sep 9, 2015 • 5:42:00pm

re: #81 Decatur Deb

More than enough, with Pakistan’s 150-200 in the wings.

40 deliverable weapons is the MAD threshold. Any country that takes 40 impacts will sustain such damage that it ceases to function.

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Varek Raith  Sep 9, 2015 • 5:43:03pm

re: #85 Aunty Entity Dragon

40 deliverable weapons is the MAD threshold. Any country that takes 40 impacts will sustain such damage that it ceases to function.

And the Earth will be in serious trouble.

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Decatur Deb  Sep 9, 2015 • 5:43:45pm

re: #83 Aunty Entity Dragon

The wackos at Waco Texas didn’t have a major news network recruiting for them 24/7. Bundy did. I saw the set up before the feds decided to call it a day. That was going to be a bloodbath with dozens dead within minutes and calls going out online to start armed insurrection in other locals. The Bundy folks were really prepped for their firefight, and Fox News was egging it on nonstop. We haven’t seen this kind of thing since the days of the fire-eaters from the slave owning states.

A few nutgroups would have responded. It would all peter out like Rudolph in the woods. The national revulsion would have driven the threepers and dead-enders back underground for a generation.

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Eric The Fruit Bat  Sep 9, 2015 • 5:47:04pm

re: #78 Aunty Entity Dragon

The question then becomes how many of which class. How many dial-a-yield and how many fixed-yield and of what yield ranges.

For Israel to succeed, they have to do first-strike. If they don’t, the order-of-magnitude difference between Iran’s population vs Israel alone, not counting the rest of the Middle East, basically means Israel will cease to exist without help from allies - which, depending on how the shitstorm unfolds, may be very few and far between.

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compound_Idaho  Sep 9, 2015 • 5:52:33pm

re: #76 Aunty Entity Dragon

Yucca Mtn. was for commercial waste. Government waste, Savanah River, Hanford etc. is being disposed of at WIPP.

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CleverToad  Sep 9, 2015 • 6:09:54pm

re: #45 Decatur Deb

I will cross my fingers and hope you’re right — my kid says he and his high school & church friends all think that SSM is here to stay and nothing to fuss over; they’re a little more dividend on marijuana, interestingly enough in Colorado. But the alright kids had better get their little arses out and VOTE in the next five or six election cycles.

The kid says he’s the designated persuadee in his 11th grade Government class: he’s a centrist who will be 18 before the 2016 election. He’s the one they have to sway to their POV.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Sep 9, 2015 • 6:44:07pm

re: #60 Blind Frog Belly White

I think if a missile were launched from Iran and detonated a nuclear weapon in Israel, we would nuke Tehran as overtly as possible so it wouldn’t be Israel doing it. That is, if we could stop Israel doing it first.

There’s no possibility of that. Israel would be the first to use nuclear weapons—that’s why their being the only nuclear power in the Middle East is such an intolerable situation. A counterbalance is badly needed, and I would certainly rather it was Iran than Saudi Arabia.

The Israelis have demonstrated that they are absolutely unconstrained by prudence, reason, or conscience. The Osirak raid should have resulted in their being dismantled as an independent state, but somehow or another they got away with it. If they nuked Iran or anybody else, they would skate on that, too. The US would protect them against retaliation by anybody, no matter how well-deserved.

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Eric The Fruit Bat  Sep 9, 2015 • 7:10:27pm

re: #91 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

There’s no possibility of that. Israel would be the first to use nuclear weapons—that’s why their being the only nuclear power in the Middle East is such an intolerable situation. A counterbalance is badly needed, and I would certainly rather it was Iran than Saudi Arabia.

Agreed. Iran, even with their insanely theocratic Guardian and Expediancy Councils, aren’t that suicidal. In many Social ways they are lock-step with the Wahabists in the KSA-but the big kicker here is that Iran is much more socially developed than the Saudi’s are. They also have a much larger population (80+ million vs 34 million) and are a Republic (Iran) vs. an absolute monarchy (KSA).

The Green Revolution, although successfully quashed by the Revolutionary Guards and the Quds Force, put enough of a scare in both Iran and Saudi Arabia that the status quo won’t hold for much longer-that’s one of the reasons why we saw Rouhani get elected. I Actually wouldn’t be surprised for Obama and Rouhani to sign the agreement once it gets through the political bullshit it has to go through—after all, what was it that Spock said-“Only Nixon could go to China?” So Why can’t Obama shake Rouhani’s hand when signing the accord?

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thecommodore  Sep 10, 2015 • 12:24:00am
Has there ever been a right wing crackpot more amusing than the Gohmert?

B1 Bob Dornan?

Congressman Gets Banned: Rep. Dornan’s One-Minute Speech on Bill Clinton (1995)


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