Oath Keepers Militia Says They’ll Prevent US Marshals From Arresting Kim Davis Again

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In case you thought the Kim Davis story wasn’t already grotesque enough, now the extreme right wing, batshit crazy, heavily armed Oath Keepers militia has announced they’re going to prevent federal marshals from detaining the anti-gay Kentucky clerk if/when she decides to break the law again.

Oath Keepers founder Stewart Rhodes announced yesterday that he had reached out to Davis’ lawyers at Liberty Counsel to offer the protection of his group, which he says is already forming a presence in Rowan County, Kentucky, where Davis was recently released from jail after prohibiting her office from issuing marriage licenses. Rhodes said in a statement that his position has nothing to do with gay marriage, but rather his conviction that Davis had been illegally detained by the federal judge who held her in contempt for violating multiple court orders.

In a phone call with Jackson County, Kentucky, Sheriff Denny Peyman and other local Oath Keepers activists, Rhodes said that he was on his way to Kentucky to help with the Davis operation. Although the group had originally intended to picket outside the home of the judge who held Davis in contempt, he said, they had changed their plan when she was released on Tuesday.

Rhodes said that the Rowan County sheriff should have blocked U.S. Marshals from detaining Davis, but since neither the sheriff nor the state’s governor will do their “job” and “intercede” on behalf of Davis, the Oath Keepers will have to do it instead. “As far as we’re concerned, this is not over,” he said, “and this judge needs to be put on notice that his behavior is not going to be accepted and we’ll be there to stop it and intercede ourselves if we have to. If the sheriff, who should be interceding, is not going to do his job and the governor is not going to do the governor’s job of interceding, then we’ll do it.”

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1
Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 10, 2015 • 9:04:28am

Oathkeepers’ tweet first thing this morning:

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Sep 10, 2015 • 9:05:32am

They fought the oath and the oath won…

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HappyWarrior  Sep 10, 2015 • 9:07:56am

Arrest the assholes.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Sep 10, 2015 • 9:08:02am

Their interference will just put Kim Davis and others in harm’s way. Federal officers on one side, and trigger happy militia on the other.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Sep 10, 2015 • 9:08:41am

Midnight here. I’ll see you all later on.

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Skip Intro  Sep 10, 2015 • 9:09:03am

re: #4 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

Their interference will just put Kim Davis and others in harm’s way. Federal officers on one side, and trigger happy militia on the other.

From the lunatic right’s point of view, the best thing that could happen would be Kim Davis getting shot.

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aagcobb  Sep 10, 2015 • 9:10:50am

They won’t be allowed into a federal courthouse armed, and that is where Davis will be taken into custody if she stops the issuance of marriage licenses again. This will only be a problem if she refuses to attend the next contempt hearing.

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Skip Intro  Sep 10, 2015 • 9:11:01am

BTW, don’t forget to mark your calendars. September 23 is fast approaching, and it will be the end of the world.

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Mattand  Sep 10, 2015 • 9:11:35am

Conservatives are so desperate for a new, religious-tinged American Civil War, they’d blow up their own families if they thought it would do the trick.

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aagcobb  Sep 10, 2015 • 9:11:51am

re: #8 Skip Intro

BTW, don’t forget to mark your calendars. September 23 is fast approaching, and it will be the end of the world.

Which end of the world prediction is this? First time I’ve heard of this one. Mayans? Fundy nutbags?

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Mattand  Sep 10, 2015 • 9:12:04am

re: #8 Skip Intro

BTW, don’t forget to mark your calendars. September 23 is fast approaching, and it will be the end of the world.

As we know it?

I’m still pissed that I missed the REM discussion on the previous thread.

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Teukka  Sep 10, 2015 • 9:12:10am

re: #8 Skip Intro

BTW, don’t forget to mark your calendars. September 23 is fast approaching, and it will be the end of the world.

Well, 21 to 25 or even 28 September if you want to hedge your bets :3

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Sep 10, 2015 • 9:12:32am

re: #8 Skip Intro

BTW, don’t forget to mark your calendars. September 23 is fast approaching, and it will be the end of the world.

It’s gotten now so I’m disappointed when each new EotW prediction fails to pan out.

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Skip Intro  Sep 10, 2015 • 9:12:56am

re: #9 Mattand

They’d blow up other people’s families, not their own, unless there was a pesky wife or kid they wanted to be rid of.

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Archangelus  Sep 10, 2015 • 9:13:28am

re: #3 HappyWarrior

Arrest the assholes.

Arrest every last one of them.

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Skip Intro  Sep 10, 2015 • 9:14:22am

re: #10 aagcobb

Which end of the world prediction is this? First time I’ve heard of this one. Mayans? Fundy nutbags?

Easiest to follow this thread on The Fogbow to get up to speed.

thefogbow.com

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Sep 10, 2015 • 9:14:30am

I hope Judge Bunning has serious protection. If he jails Davis for contempt again, I wouldn’t give a nickel for his life.

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Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Sep 10, 2015 • 9:14:33am

re: #9 Mattand

Don’t give them any ideas.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 10, 2015 • 9:15:00am

re: #17 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

I hope Judge Bunning has serious protection. If he jails Davis for contempt again, I wouldn’t give a nickel for his life.

Yeah I would definitely worry for my safety if I were him.

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Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Sep 10, 2015 • 9:15:58am

re: #13 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

It’s gotten now so I’m disappointed when each new EotW prediction fails to pan out.

I get kinda excited when I hear the rapture is coming but then again we’d be left behind with all the assholes saying the rapture is coming.

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Mattand  Sep 10, 2015 • 9:17:07am

re: #17 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

I hope Judge Bunning has serious protection. If he jails Davis for contempt again, I wouldn’t give a nickel for his life.

To be honest, I was wondering if a death threat is what got little Ms. Fuck-Teh-Gayz sprung in the first place. Either that, or Huckabee threatened him somehow.

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Dr. Matt  Sep 10, 2015 • 9:17:16am

1. They are acting like terrorists and making thinly veiled threats.
2. Don’t these fucktards have jobs?

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No Country For Old Haters  Sep 10, 2015 • 9:19:56am

It’s always just been a matter of time until the insane “oathkeepers” suicide by cop. This oath must have been something really nasty. Let’s just hope they don’t take a lot of sane people with them.

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Dr. Matt  Sep 10, 2015 • 9:20:48am

re: #8 Skip Intro

BTW, don’t forget to mark your calendars. September 23 is fast approaching, and it will be the end of the world.

Should I halt my car payment then?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 10, 2015 • 9:23:18am
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Great White Snark  Sep 10, 2015 • 9:24:41am

That would be breaking, not keeping any constitutional oaths made. So really just theocratic thugs with badges and guns. Looks and sounds an awful lot like places we look down on for being so full of theocracy with guns and bombs and a peculiar interpretation of the book.

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Higgs Boson's Mate  Sep 10, 2015 • 9:25:53am

re: #25 Backwoods_Sleuth

If she accepts, she’s a hypocritic.

That means that she took the Hippocritic Oath (First, do no thing consistently), yes?

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sffilk  Sep 10, 2015 • 9:27:52am

This does not bode well.

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Aunty Entity Dragon  Sep 10, 2015 • 9:28:23am

This is one of the weird outcomes resulting from our nation being founded in rebellion from Great Britain and the use of citizen militias in the Revolution.

Every half-baked idiot with a grudge and a gun thinks he has the “Natural Right” to misuse some quotes from Jefferson and start a war with the US Government.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Sep 10, 2015 • 9:28:44am

re: #27 Higgs Boson’s Mate

That means that she took the Hippocritic Oath (First, do no thing consistently), yes?

No, the Hippocritic Oath is promising to give horses a hard time.

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jaunte  Sep 10, 2015 • 9:30:58am

re: #29 Aunty Entity Dragon

We didn’t see much of this during the 40’s and 50’s, but it’s really taken off since the Civil Rights Act of 1964.

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majii  Sep 10, 2015 • 9:33:04am

If someone would tell them that they’re the terrorists we should all fear, they’d be looking for the nearest fainting couch.

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Higgs Boson's Mate  Sep 10, 2015 • 9:33:48am

re: #30 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

No, the Hippocritic Oath is promising to give horses a hard time.

Aha! Another insight into the writing of Philip K. Dick.

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SteveMcGaziBolaGate  Sep 10, 2015 • 9:33:54am

re: #3 HappyWarrior

Arrest the assholes.

For what?

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nines09  Sep 10, 2015 • 9:37:14am

re: #16 Skip Intro

Easiest to follow this thread on The Fogbow to get up to speed.

thefogbow.com

Wow. Another undiagnosed head trauma site? First I heard of this. I think they give great advice too.
“So it’s really unavoidable! Expect something like an asteroid strike to destroy the Earth on that date. Be sure to wear protective eye and ear wear on that day.”
Sound advice.

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Mattand  Sep 10, 2015 • 9:37:22am

re: #34 SteveMcGaziBolaGate

For what?

If the Oath Keepers were black, they would have already been tasered, choke holded, and shot in the head several times over, for saying the shit these white guys are saying.

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Higgs Boson's Mate  Sep 10, 2015 • 9:38:02am

re: #34 SteveMcGaziBolaGate

For what?

If that sheriff could imagine that the Oathkeepers were black he’d come up with plenty of reasons to arrest them.

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b_sharp  Sep 10, 2015 • 9:38:04am

re: #34 SteveMcGaziBolaGate

For what?

For the same reasons they have been arresting blacks during demonstrations.

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jaunte  Sep 10, 2015 • 9:38:15am

42 U.S. Code � 1985 - Conspiracy to interfere with civil rights

(1) Preventing officer from performing duties
If two or more persons in any State or Territory conspire to prevent, by force, intimidation, or threat, any person from accepting or holding any office, trust, or place of confidence under the United States, or from discharging any duties thereof; …
law.cornell.edu

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Aunty Entity Dragon  Sep 10, 2015 • 9:38:40am

re: #31 jaunte

We didn’t see much of this during the 40’s and 50’s, but it’s really taken off since the Civil Rights Act of 1964.

The whole Southern resistance thing actually worked pretty well for over 100 years, which is why you didn’t see a resurgence of local militia types in the rural settings until the civil rights movement started in earnest. The Southern elites were able to keep blacks from voting, got Posse Comitatus passed to end the military occupation of the South and basically went back to running the agrarian South much the way they always had.

The klan became the militia and was used informally by local law enforcement to maintain the social order. It is not coincidence that the FBI infiltration of the klan in the 70’s coincides with the break up of much of the klan structure. Around that time, however, the populist “sagebrush rebellion” in the far west began a new chapter in resistance to central government authority and led to the emergence of a new type of armed militia figure who was distinct from the klan model of the post war South.

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William Lewis  Sep 10, 2015 • 9:40:11am

re: #34 SteveMcGaziBolaGate

For what?

How about the Smith Act of 1940 that makes it a crime to advocate the violent overthrow of the US Government? Of course that was to give a way to throw Commies in jail so the irony would be doubly delicious.

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Mattand  Sep 10, 2015 • 9:40:15am

re: #39 jaunte

42 U.S. Code � 1985 - Conspiracy to interfere with civil rights

Works for me.

And while I’m at it: they’re getting a pass for being white, religious, and armed.

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Mattand  Sep 10, 2015 • 9:41:55am

re: #42 Mattand

Same reason those fuckwits with Cliven Bundy never got arrested.

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The Vicious Babushka  Sep 10, 2015 • 9:42:35am

STUPIDEST MEME OF THE DAY==>
WTF does this even MEAN?

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HappyWarrior  Sep 10, 2015 • 9:42:41am

re: #39 jaunte

42 U.S. Code � 1985 - Conspiracy to interfere with civil rights

Yep intimidation and threats.

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Higgs Boson's Mate  Sep 10, 2015 • 9:42:47am

Things I won’t be saying about the Oathkeepers in Kentucky:
If they fuck with a judge they’ll be in real trouble.
If they fuck with federal marshals they’ll be in real trouble.

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Mattand  Sep 10, 2015 • 9:43:28am

Seriously, these OathKeeper asswipes are openly threatening to interfere with people’s civil rights and the fucking business of the federal government. Yet, somehow, it would be rude or improper to cut this shit off at the pass before things get out of hand.

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Decatur Deb  Sep 10, 2015 • 9:43:38am

re: #41 William Lewis

How about the Smith Act of 1940 that makes it a crime to advocate the violent overthrow of the US Government? Of course that was to give a way to throw Commies in jail so the irony would be doubly delicious.

No ‘rection like an armed insurrection.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 10, 2015 • 9:44:33am

re: #34 SteveMcGaziBolaGate

You have got to be kidding.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 10, 2015 • 9:44:34am

re: #44 The Vicious Babushka

STUPIDEST MEME OF THE DAY==>
WTF does this even MEAN?

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It means Obama is weak hurr hurr. These guys don’t have a clue about the actual situation and circumstances that forced Chamberlain’s hand. And again I had family directly impacted by the Nazi invasion of Czechoslovakia. I am tired of the guy being scapegoated by people who don’t understand how much the UK was decimated by WWI.

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Aunty Entity Dragon  Sep 10, 2015 • 9:45:21am

re: #44 The Vicious Babushka

STUPIDEST MEME OF THE DAY==>
WTF does this even MEAN?

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Chambelain is the go to guy for rwnj’s who know not one fucking thing about WW2 but have heard that Chamberlain was an “appeaser”.

One idiot congressman was on Hardball a couple years ago pushing the Chamberlain meme and Chris Matthews hammed the fuck out of the guy on what Chamberlain actually did. The congressman had no clue whatsoever.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 10, 2015 • 9:45:24am

re: #36 Mattand

If the Oath Keepers were black, they would have already been tasered, choke holded, and shot in the head several times over, for saying the shit these white guys are saying.

Some of them would be dead and there would be no way in hell that the right would be defending them.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 10, 2015 • 9:46:34am

re: #51 Aunty Entity Dragon

Chambelain is the go to guy for rwnj’s who know not one fucking thing about WW2 but have heard that Chamberlain was an “appeaser”.

One idiot congressman was on Hardball a couple years ago pushing the Chamberlain meme and Chris Matthews hammed the fuck out of the guy on what Chamberlain actually did. The congressman had no clue whatsoever.

It’s really getting old. They have no idea what the situation in 1938 Europe was like. None. They just know Churchill rah rah and Chamberlain bad rah rah. History is more complex.

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Mattand  Sep 10, 2015 • 9:47:45am

re: #53 HappyWarrior

It’s really getting old. They have no idea what the situation in 1938 Europe was like. None. They just know Churchill rah rah and Chamberlain bad rah rah. History is more complex.

I forget where I read it, but I think Churchill was on board with Chamberlin’s plan at the time.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Sep 10, 2015 • 9:48:54am

re: #34 SteveMcGaziBolaGate

For what?

Pretty sure that deliberately preventing or impeding law enforcement from arresting someone is illegal.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 10, 2015 • 9:49:10am

re: #54 Mattand

I forget where I read it, but I think Churchill was on board with Chamberlin’s plan at the time.

Wouldn’t shock me. And Churchill wasn’t the warrior for democracy that his supporters portray him as. He was perfectly content with colonialism. Am I glad that he was our ally during WWII, sure, but at the same time like many Britons, I see the man beyond the myth. Attlee was a better PM overall.

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Aunty Entity Dragon  Sep 10, 2015 • 9:49:49am

re: #52 HappyWarrior

Some of them would be dead and there would be no way in hell that the right would be defending them.

Progressive potential demonstrators were being rounded up in apartments and arrested/beaten/you name it a couple days before the 2008 GOP convention in St Paul, and these were people who hadn’t threatened anybody.

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Decatur Deb  Sep 10, 2015 • 9:49:52am

re: #55 Eclectic Cyborg

Pretty sure that deliberately preventing or impeding law enforcement from arresting someone is illegal.

And seriously discouraged by your insurance agent.

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Kragar  Sep 10, 2015 • 9:50:35am

The Oathkeepers really just need to get with the program and start wearing brown shirts when they get together.

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Dr. Matt  Sep 10, 2015 • 9:50:38am

re: #44 The Vicious Babushka

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Does this tweet appear like this for anyone else?

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HappyWarrior  Sep 10, 2015 • 9:51:32am

re: #59 Kragar

The Oathkeepers really just need to get with the program and start wearing brown shirts when they get together.

They are sort of a modern day Freikorps.

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b_sharp  Sep 10, 2015 • 9:51:35am

re: #60 Dr. Matt

Does this tweet appear like this for anyone else?

Nope.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 10, 2015 • 9:51:50am

re: #57 Aunty Entity Dragon

Progressive potential demonstrators were being rounded up in apartments and arrested/beaten/you name it a couple days before the 2008 GOP convention in St Paul, and these were people who hadn’t threatened anybody.

Agh.

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Aunty Entity Dragon  Sep 10, 2015 • 9:52:29am

re: #54 Mattand

I forget where I read it, but I think Churchill was on board with Chamberlin’s plan at the time.

England had lost an entire generation in France just 20 years before, and there was no way in hell they were going to bleed over Czechoslovakia or Hungary at that time. Also, England was frantically re-arming for the possibility the war did become inevitable.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 10, 2015 • 9:52:46am

Don’t know if there are any British lizards posting right now but it’s my understanding that much like Margaret Thatcher, Churchill is more popular here than in the UK.

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team_fukit  Sep 10, 2015 • 9:52:59am

re: #43 Mattand

That’s what I thought when I first read this.

The wingnuts have been emboldened from the Bundy Ranch to show up armed wherever they feel like.

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Eventual Carrion  Sep 10, 2015 • 9:53:12am

re: #34 SteveMcGaziBolaGate

For what?

If they interfere with law enforcement. There is a law against that.

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Higgs Boson's Mate  Sep 10, 2015 • 9:53:28am

re: #50 HappyWarrior

It means Obama is weak hurr hurr. These guys don’t have a clue about the actual situation and circumstances that forced Chamberlain’s hand. And again I had family directly impacted by the Nazi invasion of Czechoslovakia. I am tired of the guy being scapegoated by people who don’t understand how much the UK was decimated by WWI.

The UK had lost almost an entire generation just twenty years earlier. The US was still feeling the effects of the Depression and had no appetite whatsoever for war. Chamberlain had no stick to brandish so he did the best that he could. Today’s conservatives can only embrace the binary choices endorsed by their leaders. Chamberlain can’t have been a good guy because Hitler and he was therefore a bad guy and the worstest person evar.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Sep 10, 2015 • 9:54:04am

Serious question: Are there any black or latino Oathkeepers?

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Jayleia  Sep 10, 2015 • 9:54:29am

re: #60 Dr. Matt

The original appeared just fine, your quote of it looks all wonky…not Wonkette-y though.

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Dr. Matt  Sep 10, 2015 • 9:54:32am

re: #57 Aunty Entity Dragon

Progressive potential demonstrators were being rounded up in apartments and arrested/beaten/you name it a couple days before the 2008 GOP convention in St Paul, and these were people who hadn’t threatened anybody.

Or this…..

DENVER, April 13 — Lawyers for two men charged with illegally ejecting two people from a speech by President Bush in 2005 are arguing that the president’s staff can lawfully remove anyone who expresses points of view different from his.

Where were the Oaf Keepers Terrorists then?

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HappyWarrior  Sep 10, 2015 • 9:54:35am

re: #64 Aunty Entity Dragon

England had lost an entire generation in France just 20 years before, and there was no way in hell they were going to bleed over Czechoslovakia or Hungary at that time. Also, England was frantically re-arming for the possibility the war did become inevitable.

Not to nit pick but the Nazis didn’t invade Hungary until 1944, they were an ally in 1938. Still gave you an upding since you correctly point out that they had lost so many men in WWI. And those Americans who shit on Chamberlain ignore that many Americans especially Republicans were adamantly opposed to entering WWII until the Nazis stupidly declared war on us following our declaration on Japan following Pearl Harbor.

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Decatur Deb  Sep 10, 2015 • 9:55:02am

re: #69 Eclectic Cyborg

Serious question: Are there any black or latino Oathkeepers?

It would be normal to expect a few, and see them at the forefront of any photo op.

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makeitstop  Sep 10, 2015 • 9:55:21am

re: #19 HappyWarrior

Yeah I would definitely worry for my safety if I were him.

I still think that’s the reason he released Davis. Remember, he was ‘visited’ at his home over the weekend. Might have shaken him up pretty bad.

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Dr. Matt  Sep 10, 2015 • 9:55:51am

re: #70 Jayleia

The original appeared just fine, your quote of it looks all wonky…not Wonkette-y though.

My Institution blocks twitter, but I have always been able to clearly read the text of embedded tweets. Something has changed. Odd

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The Vicious Babushka  Sep 10, 2015 • 9:55:56am

re: #60 Dr. Matt

Does this tweet appear like this for anyone else?

So that’s what emojis look like when they’re naked.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 10, 2015 • 9:56:51am

re: #68 Higgs Boson’s Mate

The UK had lost almost an entire generation just twenty years earlier. The US was still feeling the effects of the Depression and had no appetite whatsoever for war. Chamberlain had no stick to brandish so he did the best that he could. Today’s conservatives can only embrace the binary choices endorsed by their leaders. Chamberlain can’t have been a good guy because Hitler and he was therefore a bad guy and the worstest person evar.

He really was between a rock and a hard place. I used to hate him as a Czechoslovak-American but learning more about WWI makes me understand the mood better. So many forget that until Pearl Harbor, many in our own country were adamantly opposed to going to war with the Axis.

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makeitstop  Sep 10, 2015 • 9:57:21am

re: #21 Mattand

To be honest, I was wondering if a death threat is what got little Ms. Fuck-Teh-Gayz sprung in the first place. Either that, or Huckabee threatened him somehow.

My thoughts, too.

Her release came completely out of left field. Definitely more going on there than we know.

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Mattand  Sep 10, 2015 • 9:57:35am

re: #34 SteveMcGaziBolaGate

For what?

re: #57 Aunty Entity Dragon

Progressive potential demonstrators were being rounded up in apartments and arrested/beaten/you name it a couple days before the 2008 GOP convention in St Paul, and these were people who hadn’t threatened anybody.

Not sure if Steve was living in Philly at the time, but a lot of that shit was going on there in 2000 for the GOP convention. The biggest joke was they arrested an activist group who uses puppets to protest politically.

Yes, you read that right. The cops shut down a puppet show because Philly didn’t want Republicans to be upset by puppets.

So, yeah: if liberals can be arrested for planning protests, I think religious conservatives can do a fucking perp walk for planning to deny gay people their due civil rights; with a little treason charge for threatening to interfere with federal law.

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Higgs Boson's Mate  Sep 10, 2015 • 9:57:54am

re: #74 makeitstop

I still think that’s the reason he released Davis. Remember, he was ‘visited’ at his home over the weekend. Might have shaken him up pretty bad.

He released Davis in a way that constrains her assholery while not making her a must-visit for every Republican candidate for office in the US.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 10, 2015 • 9:59:20am

Most of the Oathkeepers are coming from out-of-state.
The vast majority of the KD supporters at Tuesday’s religious revival in Grayson were also from out-of-state (many of them bused in by churches).
I am beyond annoyed at all of these non-Kentuckians coming here and acting all stupid. We are quite capable of looking stupid all by ourselves without the extra assistance.

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Aunty Entity Dragon  Sep 10, 2015 • 10:00:23am

re: #72 HappyWarrior

Not to nit pick but the Nazis didn’t invade Hungary until 1944, they were an ally in 1938. Still gave you an upding since you correctly point out that they had lost so many men in WWI. And those Americans who shit on Chamberlain ignore that many Americans especially Republicans were adamantly opposed to entering WWII until the Nazis stupidly declared war on us following our declaration on Japan following Pearl Harbor.

Hungary and Austria were red flags that Nazi expansionism was going to go for the inclusion of all “Germanic” peoples on the continent. The Hungarian govt was independent in name only. Everyone knew the deal that Germany was expanding and that seizing and militarizing the Ruhr was coming soon as well. The Versailles Treaty was dead…but was all of this actually worth an immediate military response from the Allies who were still reeling from the depression? Was there anything that could have been done sooner, given the weak military position that England was in?

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HappyWarrior  Sep 10, 2015 • 10:02:45am

re: #82 Aunty Entity Dragon

Hungary and Austria were red flags that Nazi expansionism was going to go for the inclusion of all “Germanic” peoples on the continent. The Hungarian govt was independent in name only. Everyone knew the deal that Germany was expanding and that seizing and militarizing the Ruhr was coming soon as well. The Versailles Treaty was dead…but was all of this actually worth an immediate military response from the Allies who were still reeling from the depression? Was there anything that could have been done sooner, given the weak military position that England was in?

Right I know. But yeah the Allies were really in a tough spot. So much of the second guessing comes from people who have hindsight bias. It’s too bad Chamberlain died before the war’s end. He should have been able to write his story rather than becoming the punching bag for people who oppose any peace deal.

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SteveMcGaziBolaGate  Sep 10, 2015 • 10:03:36am

re: #36 Mattand

re: #38 b_sharp

re: #39 jaunte

Well, when they do that stuff, they can be arrested. Until then it seems like you want them arrested for threatening to picket.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 10, 2015 • 10:04:29am

re: #84 SteveMcGaziBolaGate

Well, when they do that stuff, they can be arrested. Until then it seems like you want them arrested for threatening to picket.

The Oathkeepers are NOT threatening to picket.
They are threatening much, much worse.

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No Country For Old Haters  Sep 10, 2015 • 10:04:31am

re: #80 Higgs Boson’s Mate

He released Davis in a way that constrains her assholery while not making her a must-visit for every Republican candidate for office in the US.

Until Monday when she gets herself arrested again, and put away for much longer.

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Mattand  Sep 10, 2015 • 10:04:31am

re: #69 Eclectic Cyborg

Serious question: Are there any black or latino Oathkeepers?

Probably. Just like there’s black and latino Republicans. They do exist, but there ain’t a whole lot of them.

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No Country For Old Haters  Sep 10, 2015 • 10:04:55am

re: #84 SteveMcGaziBolaGate

Well, when they do that stuff, they can be arrested. Until then it seems like you want them arrested for threatening to picket.

Armed resistance of law enforcement is not picketing.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Sep 10, 2015 • 10:05:12am

re: #51 Aunty Entity Dragon

The RW uses Chaimberlain. Wrongly. To justify waging war on everyone. But everyone else can use Reagan’s pulling out of Beirut to shut them up. At least with Reagan’s decision, we are still dealing with the consequences.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 10, 2015 • 10:05:13am

I actually really want to learn more about WWII and it how it impacted the regions where my mom’s family is from. Unlike my dad’s side, there still were a lot of people on that side of the family that stayed in Europe. I even remember my grandfather saying the Nazis killed his cousin when they invaded Yugoslavia and that the survivors either joined the Chetniks or Partisans, I suspect the latter honestly given they were Slovenes and Catholic as the Chetniks were primarily Serb and staunchly Orthodox too.

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SteveMcGaziBolaGate  Sep 10, 2015 • 10:05:22am

re: #83 HappyWarrior

Chamberlain was a conservative, believe it or not.

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jaunte  Sep 10, 2015 • 10:05:25am

re: #84 SteveMcGaziBolaGate

“this judge needs to be put on notice that his behavior is not going to be accepted and we’ll be there to stop it and intercede ourselves if we have to”

When he does what he says he will do, he should be arrested.

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makeitstop  Sep 10, 2015 • 10:05:57am

re: #84 SteveMcGaziBolaGate

Well, when they do that stuff, they can be arrested. Until then it seems like you want them arrested for threatening to picket.

Armed confrontation with federal agents =/= ‘picketing.’ Come on.

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Skip Intro  Sep 10, 2015 • 10:06:12am

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HappyWarrior  Sep 10, 2015 • 10:06:16am

re: #91 SteveMcGaziBolaGate

Chamberlain was a conservative, believe it or not.

I knew that. Attlee was only the second Labour PM I believe. The first being Ramsey MacDonald IIRC.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 10, 2015 • 10:06:43am

re: #91 SteveMcGaziBolaGate

Chamberlain was a conservative, believe it or not.

so what?

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Mattand  Sep 10, 2015 • 10:07:16am

re: #84 SteveMcGaziBolaGate

Well, when they do that stuff, they can be arrested. Until then it seems like you want them arrested for threatening to picket.

About that…
re: #85 Backwoods_Sleuth

The Oathkeepers are NOT threatening to picket.
They are threatening much, much worse.

And you do remember the Spiral Q Puppet Theater getting shut down for harboring PMDs (Puppets of Mass Destruction), right?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 10, 2015 • 10:07:20am

re: #93 makeitstop

Armed confrontation with federal agents =/= ‘picketing.’ Come on.

Steve is being deliberately obtuse today.

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Decatur Deb  Sep 10, 2015 • 10:07:47am

re: #92 jaunte

When he does what he says he will do, he should be arrested.

That was before the Patriot Act, and the array of terroristic threats it ushered in.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Sep 10, 2015 • 10:07:59am

re: #93 makeitstop

Armed confrontation with federal agents =/= ‘picketing.’ Come on.

If the Oafkeepers were Muslim, Fox would be screaming for them to be arrested for terroristic threats.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 10, 2015 • 10:08:57am

re: #100 klys (maker of Silmarils)

If the Oafkeepers were Muslim, Fox would be screaming for them to be arrested for terroristic threats.

They’d be demanding DOJ crack down on them. It’s amazing how much you can do and be a patriot still in the eyes of FNC.

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SteveMcGaziBolaGate  Sep 10, 2015 • 10:09:23am

re: #85 Backwoods_Sleuth

The Oathkeepers are NOT threatening to picket.
They are threatening much, much worse.

They must have said it somewhere else. They said they would intercede if the sheriff didn’t. Does arresting them seem like the kind of thing that would de-escalate a sitch, or pour gas on a fire that isn’t lit. If they show up and approach anybody doing their job, that’s the time to arrest them. The only thing arresting them now would do is give them more power.

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makeitstop  Sep 10, 2015 • 10:09:39am

re: #98 Backwoods_Sleuth

Steve is being deliberately obtuse today.

Yes, I noticed.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Sep 10, 2015 • 10:09:46am

Sometimes I hate being wrong.

littlegreenfootballs.com

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Mattand  Sep 10, 2015 • 10:10:04am

re: #100 klys (maker of Silmarils)

If the Oafkeepers were Muslim, Fox would be screaming for them to be arrested for terroristic threats.

Seriously. They still push that New Black Panther horseshit.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 10, 2015 • 10:10:39am

Kentucky has an all-purpose, good for any situation charge called “terroristic threatening”.
And 99.9% of the situations have nothing to do with terrorism.

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Charles Johnson  Sep 10, 2015 • 10:10:45am

re: #84 SteveMcGaziBolaGate

Well, when they do that stuff, they can be arrested. Until then it seems like you want them arrested for threatening to picket.

What? Here’s the quote:

…this judge needs to be put on notice that his behavior is not going to be accepted and we’ll be there to stop it and intercede ourselves if we have to. If the sheriff, who should be interceding, is not going to do his job and the governor is not going to do the governor’s job of interceding, then we’ll do it.

And remember, these are heavily armed nutcases who brandish their firearms very prominently. This is NOT simply “picketing.” Give me a break.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 10, 2015 • 10:11:21am

re: #102 SteveMcGaziBolaGate

They must have said it somewhere else. They said they would intercede if the sheriff didn’t. Does arresting them seem like the kind of thing that would de-escalate a sitch, or pour gas on a fire that isn’t lit. If they show up and approach anybody doing their job, that’s the time to arrest them. The only thing arresting them now would do is give them more power.

You didn’t read the article very well.

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SteveMcGaziBolaGate  Sep 10, 2015 • 10:11:48am

re: #93 makeitstop

Armed confrontation with federal agents =/= ‘picketing.’ Come on.

Armed confrontation hasn’t happened.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 10, 2015 • 10:12:31am

re: #109 SteveMcGaziBolaGate

Armed confrontation hasn’t happened.

Doesn’t matter. They are threatening it. That’s enough to be arrested here in Kentucky.

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Mattand  Sep 10, 2015 • 10:12:40am

re: #102 SteveMcGaziBolaGate

They must have said it somewhere else. They said they would intercede if the sheriff didn’t. Does arresting them seem like the kind of thing that would de-escalate a sitch, or pour gas on a fire that isn’t lit. If they show up and approach anybody doing their job, that’s the time to arrest them. The only thing arresting them now would do is give them more power.

True. Look at the Bundy Ranch guys who went to jail for pointing loaded weapons at federal employees.

Oh, wait…

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wrenchwench  Sep 10, 2015 • 10:12:41am
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Charles Johnson  Sep 10, 2015 • 10:13:08am

Your unhinged Chuck C. Johnson moment of the day.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Sep 10, 2015 • 10:13:15am

Well, waiting until a group of heavily armed folks is there and ready for their martyr cookies seems like an excellent way to defuse the situation.

I mean, the logic is astounding.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 10, 2015 • 10:14:14am

re: #113 Charles Johnson

Your unhinged Chuck C. Johnson moment of the day.

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Her record at HP sucks but I’ll be goddamned if that weasel just made her come of sympathetic to me.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 10, 2015 • 10:14:34am

re: #114 klys (maker of Silmarils)

Well, waiting until a group of heavily armed folks is there and ready for their martyr cookies seems like an excellent way to defuse the situation.

I mean, the logic is astounding.

Oh of course.

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jaunte  Sep 10, 2015 • 10:15:54am

Terroristic Threatening in Kentucky

KRS 508.080(1)(a) covers the most commonly encountered form of terroristic threatening and requires (1) a threat to commit any crime, which is (2) likely to result in death, serious physical injury, or substantial property damage to another person. “Crime” means any misdemeanor or felony4. “Person” includes any human being, corporation, partnership or governmental authority5.

e-archives.ky.gov

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Aunty Entity Dragon  Sep 10, 2015 • 10:16:21am

re: #112 wrenchwench

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A Scottish Fold calico kitten and a baby owl all in someone’s lap.

The KYOOTNESS has reached apocalyptic proportions… ;)

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 10, 2015 • 10:17:03am

re: #117 jaunte

Terroristic Threatening in Kentucky

e-archives.ky.gov

That’s the one.

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SteveMcGaziBolaGate  Sep 10, 2015 • 10:18:04am

re: #111 Mattand

True. Look at the Bundy Ranch guys who went to jail for pointing loaded weapons at federal employees.

Oh, wait…

This isn’t Bundy Ranch. WHen they interfere here, arrest them. When they bitch and say that they’ll intercede if the sheriff doesn’t, be prepared to arrest them. I don’t know what the open carry laws are in KY, but they may well be legally entitled to stand there with their gunz and glare or holler at any fed marshalls who are trying to do their job. You don’t get to arrest people who say dumb shit.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 10, 2015 • 10:19:47am

re: #120 SteveMcGaziBolaGate

This isn’t Bundy Ranch. WHen they interfere here, arrest them. When they bitch and say that they’ll intercede if the sheriff doesn’t, be prepared to arrest them. I don’t know what the open carry laws are in KY, but they may well be legally entitled to stand there with their gunz and glare or holler at any fed marshalls who are trying to do their job. You don’t get to arrest people who say dumb shit.

You have NOT been paying attention.
I’ve been telling you the laws here, but it’s interfering with your completely baseless argument.
They are NOT LEGALLY ENTITLED to do any of what they are THREATENING TO DO!

Good freaking grief.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Sep 10, 2015 • 10:20:16am

re: #68 Higgs Boson’s Mate

The UK had lost almost an entire generation just twenty years earlier. The US was still feeling the effects of the Depression and had no appetite whatsoever for war. Chamberlain had no stick to brandish so he did the best that he could. Today’s conservatives can only embrace the binary choices endorsed by their leaders. Chamberlain can’t have been a good guy because Hitler and he was therefore a bad guy and the worstest person evar.

Don’t forget that the British were anticipating war with Germany, and had a King on the throne who was a Nazi sympathizer. They were still in the middle of making up a rule for the occasion about marrying a divorc�e or a commoner or whatever-the-fuck to get rid of him. You’ve got to get all your ducks in a row before you embark on a war—something forgotten between then and 2003.

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Aunty Entity Dragon  Sep 10, 2015 • 10:20:35am

re: #120 SteveMcGaziBolaGate

This isn’t Bundy Ranch. WHen they interfere here, arrest them. When they bitch and say that they’ll intercede if the sheriff doesn’t, be prepared to arrest them. I don’t know what the open carry laws are in KY, but they may well be legally entitled to stand there with their gunz and glare or holler at any fed marshalls who are trying to do their job. You don’t get to arrest people who say dumb shit.

Oh FFS…the FBI had this out in the Mississippi investigations back in the 60’s when locals were threatening to shoot feds who set foot on their property.

No, you don’t get to threaten feds or judges…and particularly not if you are carrying a weapon at the time.

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Romantic Heretic  Sep 10, 2015 • 10:20:45am

re: #23 No Country For Old Haters

It’s always just been a matter of time until the insane “oathkeepers” suicide by cop. This oath must have been something really nasty. Let’s just hope they don’t take a lot of sane people with them.

As I’ve noted before the Oath Breakers, I mean Keepers, bear a remarkable resemblance to the ‘double patriots’ of the Japanese military before WWII. They murdered opponents, engineered a failed coup (that frightened the politicians into submission) and even kicked off WWII.

No, not Pearl Harbour, although they were behind that. Rather the attack on Manchuria.

Their excuse was ‘serving the Emperor’s true interests.’

The Oath Breakers, I mean Keepers, are cut from the same cloth.

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SteveMcGaziBolaGate  Sep 10, 2015 • 10:20:51am

re: #119 Backwoods_Sleuth

Good luck trying to make a case. The Oaf Keepers have a reputation of showing up and waving their artificial dicks around, but nobody’s been shot. They haven’t threatened to shoot anybody in KY.

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makeitstop  Sep 10, 2015 • 10:20:58am

re: #109 SteveMcGaziBolaGate

Armed confrontation hasn’t happened.

They’re sure as hell threatening to do so, and that would get a shitload of other people arrested for doing so.

Why are you making excuses for these guys, Steve?

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HappyWarrior  Sep 10, 2015 • 10:21:19am

re: #122 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

Don’t forget that the British were anticipating war with Germany, and had a King on the throne who was a Nazi sympathizer. They were still in the middle of making up a rule for the occasion about marrying a divorc�e or a commoner or whatever-the-fuck to get rid of him. You’ve got to get all your ducks in a row before you embark on a war—something forgotten between then and 2003.

Huh I thought the heir that married the commoner abdicated by then. But yes the royal family was riddled with Nazi sympathizers.

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Lidane  Sep 10, 2015 • 10:21:33am

While we’re on the subject of crazy people in dire need of a psych eval:

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wrenchwench  Sep 10, 2015 • 10:21:38am

re: #118 Aunty Entity Dragon

A Scottish Fold calico kitten and a baby owl all in someone’s lap.

The KYOOTNESS has reached apocalyptic proportions… ;)

It’s a cafe in Japan that has kittens AND baby owls! And coffee! Three of my favorites!

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HappyWarrior  Sep 10, 2015 • 10:21:59am

re: #128 Lidane

While we’re on the subject of crazy people in dire need of a psych eval:

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Uh no Mike it does not.

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Aunty Entity Dragon  Sep 10, 2015 • 10:22:29am

re: #122 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

Are you talking about Edward VIII?

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HappyWarrior  Sep 10, 2015 • 10:22:41am

I am sure it would really chafe Huckabee’s ass if you pointed out to him that the Southern Baptist church only exists because of slavery.

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Skip Intro  Sep 10, 2015 • 10:22:42am

It amazes me that a group of armed lunatics will apparently be allowed to create a threatening situation in front of the Feds.

It’s as if Al Capone’s mob was allowed to stand around with their Thompsons while Capone was being arrested.

This country has gone totally insane.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 10, 2015 • 10:22:43am

re: #125 SteveMcGaziBolaGate

Good luck trying to make a case. The Oaf Keepers have a reputation of showing up and waving their artificial dicks around, but nobody’s been shot. They haven’t threatened to shoot anybody in KY.

BULL-FUCKING-SHIT.
You are so clueless and pontificating on a situation you know nothing about.
Just STOP.

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Jenner7  Sep 10, 2015 • 10:22:43am
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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Sep 10, 2015 • 10:23:19am

re: #91 SteveMcGaziBolaGate

Chamberlain was a conservative, believe it or not.

Off and on.

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Decatur Deb  Sep 10, 2015 • 10:23:20am

re: #125 SteveMcGaziBolaGate

Good luck trying to make a case. The Oaf Keepers have a reputation of showing up and waving their artificial dicks around, but nobody’s been shot. They haven’t threatened to shoot anybody in KY.

“No one man should have that kind of power in his hands alone to decide guilt and impose a sentence of indefinite detention. Under our Constitution, that dictatorial power does not exist. We must stand against this. And so we will protect her and prevent it from happening again. - Stewart Rhodes”

My emphasis, Rhodes’ words. He has a toe on the line.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 10, 2015 • 10:23:20am

re: #135 Jenner7

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Sigh. When the fuck will we ever learn. Hope the man will be okay.

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Mattand  Sep 10, 2015 • 10:23:46am

re: #120 SteveMcGaziBolaGate

This isn’t Bundy Ranch. WHen they interfere here, arrest them. When they bitch and say that they’ll intercede if the sheriff doesn’t, be prepared to arrest them. I don’t know what the open carry laws are in KY, but they may well be legally entitled to stand there with their gunz and glare or holler at any fed marshalls who are trying to do their job. You don’t get to arrest people who say dumb shit.

From Wikipedia:

On March 27, 2014, 145,604 acres of federal land in Clark County were temporarily closed for the “capture, impound, and removal of trespass cattle”.[5] BLM officials and law enforcement rangers began a roundup of such livestock on April 5, and an arrest was made the next day. On April 12, a group of protesters, some of them armed,[6] advanced on what the BLM described as a “cattle gather.”[7] Sheriff Doug Gillespie negotiated with Bundy and newly confirmed BLM director Neil Kornze,[8] who elected to release the cattle and de-escalate the situation.[9][10]

Explain to me how that isn’t interfering with government business.

I mean, I get what you’re saying. Honestly, I do. But Jesus, dude; for once, can we stop with the “OMG 1st Amendment slippery slope” horseshit?

People have provided both federal and state law about what these idiots are threatening. Other people, usually minorities, are detained for much less every day in this country.

These assholes should not get a pass because they rub their gun barrels down with Bible passages.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Sep 10, 2015 • 10:23:57am

re: #126 makeitstop

They’re sure as hell threatening to do so, and that would get a shitload of other people arrested for doing so.

Why are you making excuses for these guys, Steve?

Because it needs saying again.

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SteveMcGaziBolaGate  Sep 10, 2015 • 10:24:33am

re: #121 Backwoods_Sleuth

You have NOT been paying attention.
I’ve been telling you the laws here, but it’s interfering with your completely baseless argument.
They are NOT LEGALLY ENTITLED to do any of what they are THREATENING TO DO!

Good freaking grief.

Well they haven’t actually done what they’re THREATENING TO DO. Good fucking grief.

What exactly are they threatening to do? Show me where they threaten to hurt anybody or engage in any violence. They can intercede simply by blocking the path of the marshalls. That would get them arrested, but it would not make them the sort of violent goons you expect them to be.

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SteveMcGaziBolaGate  Sep 10, 2015 • 10:24:59am

re: #126 makeitstop

They’re sure as hell threatening to do so, and that would get a shitload of other people arrested for doing so.

Why are you making excuses for these guys, Steve?

What excuse have I made for these guys?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 10, 2015 • 10:25:57am

re: #141 SteveMcGaziBolaGate

Well they haven’t actually done what they’re THREATENING TO DO. Good fucking grief.

What exactly are they threatening to do? Show me where they threaten to hurt anybody or engage in any violence. They can intercede simply by blocking the path of the marshalls. That would get them arrested, but it would not make them the sort of violent goons you expect them to be.

Since you missed it the FIRST time, read this again:
re: #117 jaunte

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 10, 2015 • 10:26:56am

re: #143 Backwoods_Sleuth

Since you missed it the FIRST time, read this again:

Then read the article again. All the way through it this time. Every word of it.

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Decatur Deb  Sep 10, 2015 • 10:27:41am

re: #141 SteveMcGaziBolaGate

Well they haven’t actually done what they’re THREATENING TO DO. Good fucking grief.

What exactly are they threatening to do? Show me where they threaten to hurt anybody or engage in any violence. They can intercede simply by blocking the path of the marshalls. That would get them arrested, but it would not make them the sort of violent goons you expect them to be.

The whole argument might well hang on the fact that Stewart Rhodes doesn’t know what “intercede” means.

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makeitstop  Sep 10, 2015 • 10:28:14am

re: #142 SteveMcGaziBolaGate

What excuse have I made for these guys?

Oh, for fuck’s sake.

Into ‘scroll-by’ mode now.

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Kragar  Sep 10, 2015 • 10:28:21am
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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Sep 10, 2015 • 10:28:39am

re: #142 SteveMcGaziBolaGate

What excuse have I made for these guys?

You are completely excusing their threats. Claiming they aren’t making threats. You seem to think they will be completely non-violent in their confrontation, relying solely on the fact that they open-carry to intimidate people into doing what they want.

Never mind that that is in and of itself generally a crime.

Anyway, time to go something productive with my time for a while, like exercise. Before it gets too fucking hot again.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 10, 2015 • 10:29:04am

re: #147 Kragar

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And DF got pissy about Esquire caling this a kangaroo court. He was right. We should have called it a show trial.

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SteveMcGaziBolaGate  Sep 10, 2015 • 10:29:52am

KRS 508.080(1)(a) covers the most commonly encountered form of terroristic threatening and requires (1) a threat to commit any crime, which is (2) likely to result in death, serious physical injury, or substantial property damage to another person. “Crime” means any misdemeanor or felony4. “Person” includes any human being, corporation, partnership or governmental authority5.

I didn’t miss it, and I addressed it when I said that so far, the Oaf Keepers haven’t hurt anybody. That history of not hurting anybody means a lot when they say they will intercede because it establishes a pattern of non-violence. When I mentioned that the open carry laws of KY are a factor it is because the law may allow them to carry their artificial dicks while they act non-violently.

Law, it’s complicated

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Kragar  Sep 10, 2015 • 10:30:04am

This motherfucker:

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A Mom Anon  Sep 10, 2015 • 10:30:48am

re: #138 HappyWarrior

I just saw this online with a photo. He just looks so sad and heartbroken. Beyond having the hell beat out of him.

THIS right here is why all this hate speech should be marginalized and not made into news blaring on the TV and radio 24/7. I lay some responsibility for this at the feet of hatemongering anti Muslim assholes. Oh, they wouldn’t get their own hands dirty, but they KNOW exactly what their shit leads to and it doesn’t make them lose one wink of sleep at night. I know we have to know about these assholes (thank god for the SPLC and others like them keeping tabs on these fuckers), but it’s now becoming mainstream. We’ve got elected officials saying shit that is tacit approval for this kind of shit and it has to stop somewhere.

I really am getting concerned that these fucking fools are going to start their own war against the rest of us by whatever means they deem fit. It totally breaks my heart.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 10, 2015 • 10:31:19am

re: #151 Kragar

This motherfucker:

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He needs to have his kids taken away from him. He clearly is not fit to be a parent at all.

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b.d.  Sep 10, 2015 • 10:31:25am

re: #113 Charles Johnson

Your unhinged Chuck C. Johnson moment of the day.

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I guess that Chuck is sensing that Cabinet position in a Cruz administration slipping away from him.

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Decatur Deb  Sep 10, 2015 • 10:31:42am

re: #151 Kragar

This motherfucker:

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Is that the asshole who “re-homed” an adopted kid?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 10, 2015 • 10:31:51am

re: #150 SteveMcGaziBolaGate

KRS 508.080(1)(a) covers the most commonly encountered form of terroristic threatening and requires (1) a threat to commit any crime, which is (2) likely to result in death, serious physical injury, or substantial property damage to another person. “Crime” means any misdemeanor or felony4. “Person” includes any human being, corporation, partnership or governmental authority5.

I didn’t miss it, and I addressed it when I said that so far, the Oaf Keepers haven’t hurt anybody. That history of not hurting anybody means a lot when they say they will intercede because it establishes a pattern of non-violence. When I mentioned that the open carry laws of KY are a factor it is because the law may allow them to carry their artificial dicks while they act non-violently.

Law, it’s complicated

oh shut up. Open carry in Kentucky doesn’t apply to this. And they aren’t acting non-violently when they are THREATENING TO HARM a federal judge and federal marshals.

jeebus.

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Dr. Matt  Sep 10, 2015 • 10:32:11am

Stochastic Terrorism: Part 1, triggering the shooters.

Stochastic terrorism is the use of mass communications to incite random actors to carry out violent or terrorist acts that are statistically predictable but individually unpredictable. In short, remote-control murder by lone wolf.

[…]

At any given time there are hundreds of thousands of Americans with combinations of personality characteristics (such as emotional instability, a paranoid ideology, and a propensity for violence) that put them at risk of going off the deep end and becoming lone wolves. All it takes is the right push, the right nudge at the right time, to dislodge a few of them and send them on their way to fifteen minutes of fame surrounded by dead bodies.

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Kragar  Sep 10, 2015 • 10:32:34am

re: #155 Decatur Deb

Is that the asshole who “re-homed” an adopted kid?

That is the one

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Sep 10, 2015 • 10:33:09am

re: #131 Aunty Entity Dragon

Are you talking about Edward VIII?

Oops! I could have sworn he succeeded in ‘37 and abdicated in ‘38. My bad.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 10, 2015 • 10:33:22am

re: #152 A Mom Anon

I just saw this online with a photo. He just looks so sad and heartbroken. Beyond having the hell beat out of him.

THIS right here is why all this hate speech should be marginalized and not made into news blaring on the TV and radio 24/7. I lay some responsibility for this at the feet of hatemongering anti Muslim assholes. Oh, they wouldn’t get their own hands dirty, but they KNOW exactly what their shit leads to and it doesn’t make them lose one wink of sleep at night. I know we have to know about these assholes (thank god for the SPLC and others like them keeping tabs on these fuckers), but it’s now becoming mainstream. We’ve got elected officials saying shit that is tacit approval for this kind of shit and it has to stop somewhere.

I really am getting concerned that these fucking fools are going to start their own war against the rest of us by whatever means they deem fit. It totally breaks my heart.

I agree with you. I blame the hatemongers in the media for creating an environment where Muslims are made otu to be the enemy.

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Skip Intro  Sep 10, 2015 • 10:33:42am

Another once great magazine goes into the Murdoch trash heap.

Viewers vow boycott after Rupert Murdoch buys NatGeo: ‘Cash triumphs over conservation, conscience’

rawstory.com

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A Mom Anon  Sep 10, 2015 • 10:33:49am

re: #151 Kragar

If someone did that to my kid, let’s just say the end result would not be pleasant for him or his so called “school”.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 10, 2015 • 10:34:46am

re: #162 A Mom Anon

If someone did that to my kid, let’s just say the end result would not be pleasant for him or his so called “school”.

Shit it wasn’t even his own kid? Shut down the fucker’s preschool and don’t let him near his or anyone else’s kids.

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SteveMcGaziBolaGate  Sep 10, 2015 • 10:35:02am

re: #146 makeitstop

Oh, for fuck’s sake.

Into ‘scroll-by’ mode now.

You said I made an excuse. What excuse did I make? Shouldn’t be that hard. Something I wrote must have said “This is why it’s excusable”. My point is that “Arrest these assholes.” was a stupid thing to say. This whole thing is about the rule of law. You have to abide by the law whether you like it or not, or whether you like the people you are quarreling with. The fact is the Oaf Keepers haven’t broken the law at this time. The law that was quoted above does not cover what the Oaf Keepers said (as reported in the piece above, if they said something else, it would be fair game). So if you expect Kim Davis to abide by the law, then we have to abide by the law.

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CriticalDragon1177  Sep 10, 2015 • 10:36:12am
Oath Keepers Militia Says They’ll Prevent US Marshals From Arresting Kim Davis Again

Good luck with that guys. Just make sure you bring enough body bags for you and all your men, along with one for Kim Davis if you are really determined to fight to the death rather than let the police do their job.

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SteveMcGaziBolaGate  Sep 10, 2015 • 10:36:38am

re: #156 Backwoods_Sleuth

Where the heck did they threaten to harm?

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b_sharp  Sep 10, 2015 • 10:36:38am

re: #121 Backwoods_Sleuth

You have NOT been paying attention.
I’ve been telling you the laws here, but it’s interfering with your completely baseless argument.
They are NOT LEGALLY ENTITLED to do any of what they are THREATENING TO DO!

Good freaking grief.

Steve’s point is they haven’t done any of the things they’re threatening to do yet.

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Mattand  Sep 10, 2015 • 10:36:43am

re: #150 SteveMcGaziBolaGate

KRS 508.080(1)(a) covers the most commonly encountered form of terroristic threatening and requires (1) a threat to commit any crime, which is (2) likely to result in death, serious physical injury, or substantial property damage to another person. “Crime” means any misdemeanor or felony4. “Person” includes any human being, corporation, partnership or governmental authority5.

I didn’t miss it, and I addressed it when I said that so far, the Oaf Keepers haven’t hurt anybody. That history of not hurting anybody means a lot when they say they will intercede because it establishes a pattern of non-violence. When I mentioned that the open carry laws of KY are a factor it is because the law may allow them to carry their artificial dicks while they act non-violently.

Law, it’s complicated

These white armed religious fanatics have never harmed anyone before. Therefore, they will never harm anyone. Go on with your threatening of a federal judge, boys!

It’s basically a variation of the cops going “We couldn’t arrest him for threatening his wife until he actually assaulted/killed her.”

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Eclectic Cyborg  Sep 10, 2015 • 10:36:54am

re: #151 Kragar

This motherfucker:

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Isn’t he the same asshole who gamed the system to get those girls only to give them to someone else who abused them?

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Eclectic Cyborg  Sep 10, 2015 • 10:37:27am

Oops. Asked and answered already I see.

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Decatur Deb  Sep 10, 2015 • 10:38:06am

re: #164 SteveMcGaziBolaGate

They didn’t say they would protest. Rhodes said they would “prevent”. Whether that is a threat or not is a case for the linguists and the lawyers.

littlegreenfootballs.com

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HappyWarrior  Sep 10, 2015 • 10:38:15am

prevent her from being arrested again? That’s a threat if you ask me.

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Eventual Carrion  Sep 10, 2015 • 10:38:21am

re: #109 SteveMcGaziBolaGate

Armed confrontation hasn’t happened.

No, but if I called a judge and said I was coming to get him/her sure as shit I would be in jail within the hour.

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Lidane  Sep 10, 2015 • 10:38:37am

Still beating that dead and zombified horse:

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 10, 2015 • 10:39:00am

re: #167 b_sharp

Steve’s point is they haven’t done any of the things they’re threatening to do yet.

And Steve doesn’t understand that THAT isn’t the point. They have already broken the law here by making the threats.
If I had said the same thing and showed up outside the courthouse with my gun, my ass would be in jail already.

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Mattand  Sep 10, 2015 • 10:39:03am

re: #167 b_sharp

Steve’s point is they haven’t done any of the things they’re threatening to do yet.

True. And the point everyone else is making that for most people, making these kind of threats would put them in the back of some kind of police vehicle ASAP. But the OathKeepers are getting a pass.

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SteveMcGaziBolaGate  Sep 10, 2015 • 10:39:39am

re: #168 Mattand

These white armed religious fanatics have never harmed anyone before. Therefore, they will never harm anyone. Go on with your threatening of a federal judge, boys!

It’s basically a variation of the cops going “We couldn’t arrest him for threatening his wife until he actually assaulted/killed her.”

The most threatening thing I saw so far is that they will “put the judge on notice”. Do you have anything more threatening than that? I never make the argument the you said I did. So I repeat my questions: What excuses did I make? (I notice that one hasn’t been answered), and what threats did they make against the judge?

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A Mom Anon  Sep 10, 2015 • 10:39:40am

re: #163 HappyWarrior

I cannot for the life of me understand how anyone leaves a child in a car and “forgets” about them. And yet it happens a lot more than we think. In GA we just had a case where grandparents left a little one in a car and the child died while they were babysitting for their daughter. Estimated time was over 3 hours I think, in over 90 degree heat. I just don’t get what in the hell is going on that you just forget a little kid like that. How is that possible? I’ve had some hellacious days, busy as hell, but I’ve never once forgot my kids, either of them. I’ve been sleep deprived and stressed out, but it never got in the way of me keeping track of my children. WTF is going on that this happens so often?

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Sep 10, 2015 • 10:40:00am

re: #152 A Mom Anon

I just saw this online with a photo. He just looks so sad and heartbroken. Beyond having the hell beat out of him.

THIS right here is why all this hate speech should be marginalized and not made into news blaring on the TV and radio 24/7. I lay some responsibility for this at the feet of hatemongering anti Muslim assholes. Oh, they wouldn’t get their own hands dirty, but they KNOW exactly what their shit leads to and it doesn’t make them lose one wink of sleep at night. I know we have to know about these assholes (thank god for the SPLC and others like them keeping tabs on these fuckers), but it’s now becoming mainstream. We’ve got elected officials saying shit that is tacit approval for this kind of shit and it has to stop somewhere.

I really am getting concerned that these fucking fools are going to start their own war against the rest of us by whatever means they deem fit. It totally breaks my heart.

There was aSikh guy killed in Arizona right after 9/11, IIRC. It’s the boneheaded ignorance that gets to me. The shape of a Sikh turban is very distinctive, and the Sikhs are a Hindu sect that was cultivated specifically to fight Muslims! That’s their reason for being! How stupid are these fucking people?

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HappyWarrior  Sep 10, 2015 • 10:40:12am

re: #177 SteveMcGaziBolaGate

The most threatening thing I saw so far is that they will “put the judge on notice”. Do you have anything more threatening than that? I never make the argument the you said I did. So I repeat my questions: What excuses did I make? (I notice that one hasn’t been answered), and what threats did they make against the judge?

So “prevent from happening again” means nothing to you?

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Decatur Deb  Sep 10, 2015 • 10:41:23am

re: #179 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

…snip That’s their reason for being! How stupid are these fucking people?

Gonna take that as a rhetorical.

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Chankobun  Sep 10, 2015 • 10:41:42am

Why are we allowing fascists into the discussion here?

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blueraven  Sep 10, 2015 • 10:41:45am

I guess Jindal’s rant against Trump payed off. He is on CNN with Wolf right now.

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SteveMcGaziBolaGate  Sep 10, 2015 • 10:42:03am

re: #171 Decatur Deb

They didn’t say they would protest. Rhodes said they would “prevent”. Whether that is a threat or not is a case for the linguists and the lawyers.

littlegreenfootballs.com

That’s my point. It is a case for lawyers. Rhodes is careful not to cross any lines with his words. So far, the Oaf Keepers have engaged in non-violent action. I don’t think you can arrest them pre-emptively. That’s what Dick Cheney would do.

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blueraven  Sep 10, 2015 • 10:42:34am

re: #182 Chan Kobun

Why are we allowing fascists into the discussion here?

huh?

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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Sep 10, 2015 • 10:42:51am

everybody always told me to sow my wild oaths while i still could

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SteveMcGaziBolaGate  Sep 10, 2015 • 10:43:01am

re: #179 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

There was aSikh guy killed in Arizona right after 9/11, IIRC. It’s the boneheaded ignorance that gets to me. The shape of a Sikh turban is very distinctive, and the Sikhs are a Hindu sect that was cultivated specifically to fight Muslims! That’s their reason for being! How stupid are these fucking people?

Pardon my crudeness, but a rag on the head is a rag on the head in moronland.

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Decatur Deb  Sep 10, 2015 • 10:43:11am

re: #184 SteveMcGaziBolaGate

That’s my point. It is a case for lawyers. Rhodes is careful not to cross any lines with his words. So far, the Oaf Keepers have engaged in non-violent action. I don’t think you can arrest them pre-emptively. That’s what Dick Cheney would do.

If they show up armed they need to meet half the KSP and a bunch of lawyers.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 10, 2015 • 10:43:19am

re: #178 A Mom Anon

I cannot for the life of me understand how anyone leaves a child in a car and “forgets” about them. And yet it happens a lot more than we think. In GA we just had a case where grandparents left a little one in a car and the child died while they were babysitting for their daughter. Estimated time was over 3 hours I think, in over 90 degree heat. I just don’t get what in the hell is going on that you just forget a little kid like that. How is that possible? I’ve had some hellacious days, busy as hell, but I’ve never once forgot my kids, either of them. I’ve been sleep deprived and stressed out, but it never got in the way of me keeping track of my children. WTF is going on that this happens so often?

There was a guy about a hour from here that left his little daughter in the car. She died due to the heat. He naturally felt terrible but he deserved the book getting thrown at him. I haven’t heard what happened to him after he got out. But it just astounds me that someone could forget a child.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 10, 2015 • 10:43:43am

re: #177 SteveMcGaziBolaGate

The most threatening thing I saw so far is that they will “put the judge on notice”. Do you have anything more threatening than that? I never make the argument the you said I did. So I repeat my questions: What excuses did I make? (I notice that one hasn’t been answered), and what threats did they make against the judge?

Rhodes said that the Rowan County sheriff should have blocked U.S. Marshals from detaining Davis, but since neither the sheriff nor the state’s governor will do their “job” and “intercede” on behalf of Davis, the Oath Keepers will have to do it instead. “As far as we’re concerned, this is not over,” he said, “and this judge needs to be put on notice that his behavior is not going to be accepted and we’ll be there to stop it and intercede ourselves if we have to. If the sheriff, who should be interceding, is not going to do his job and the governor is not going to do the governor’s job of interceding, then we’ll do it.” - See more at: rightwingwatch.org

THAT is a threat.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 10, 2015 • 10:44:38am

Other people have been arrested for much more mild things than that. I think I heard about a young woman who was arrested for posting that the police deserved to be shot. Tasteless, sure but worthy of an arrest especially compared to this? Notta.

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Dr. Matt  Sep 10, 2015 • 10:44:45am

re: #182 Chan Kobun

Why are we allowing fascists into the discussion here?

Who are the fascists?

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mr.fusion  Sep 10, 2015 • 10:45:31am

So let me get this straight

A group that says it’s scared of government officials taking away peoples rights, is offering to protect a government official taking away peoples rights?

Am I getting that correct?

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Jenner7  Sep 10, 2015 • 10:45:35am

re: #166 SteveMcGaziBolaGate

Well, they are there to stop Kim from being arrested. That’s a threat to federal officers.

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Chankobun  Sep 10, 2015 • 10:46:17am

Y know what, y’all can just have this discussion. You want to waste your time, be my guest. I’ll eb back when people learn to not give defenders of fascism and terrorism the time of day.

And if you want to get all pissy and downvote this comment because you can’t stand the truth being told about you? Just log out and leave. You aren’t needed.

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nines09  Sep 10, 2015 • 10:46:25am

re: #193 mr.fusion

So let me get this straight

A group that says it’s scared of government officials taking away peoples rights, is offering to protect a government official taking away peoples rights?

Am I getting that correct?

Nailed it.

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SteveMcGaziBolaGate  Sep 10, 2015 • 10:46:27am

re: #190 Backwoods_Sleuth

THAT is a threat.

It is not a threat of violence. Anybody with the slightest concept of civil disobedience knows you don’t need to hurt people to intercede against something you disagree with. Just because these guys are dumb doesn’t mean they’re stupid.

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b.d.  Sep 10, 2015 • 10:46:29am

Ok, wingnuts can quit talking about that mountain and Iran deal now:

CNN Breaking Banner:

Obama orders administration to prepare for at least 10,000 Syrian refugees in next fiscal year, White House says.

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Skip Intro  Sep 10, 2015 • 10:46:37am

re: #167 b_sharp

Steve’s point is they haven’t done any of the things they’re threatening to do yet.

Quite right. It’s as if the Secret Service has the right to arrest me just because I post a threat against the President on Twitter.

Hey, I haven’t done anything so I’m good to go.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 10, 2015 • 10:46:42am

re: #193 mr.fusion

So let me get this straight

A group that says it’s scared of government officials taking away peoples rights, is offering to protect a government official taking away peoples rights?

Am I getting that correct?

Yes.

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Higgs Boson's Mate  Sep 10, 2015 • 10:46:42am

re: #192 Dr. Matt

Who are the fascists?

Give me a sec.
Hey! All you fascists, hold up your right hands.
You there: your other right hand.

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No Country For Old Haters  Sep 10, 2015 • 10:46:42am

re: #179 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

There was aSikh guy killed in Arizona right after 9/11, IIRC. It’s the boneheaded ignorance that gets to me. The shape of a Sikh turban is very distinctive, and the Sikhs are a Hindu sect that was cultivated specifically to fight Muslims! That’s their reason for being! How stupid are these fucking people?

As stupid as it’s possible to be without drowning the first time it rains. They just know what their preachers, hate-radio, wingnut blogs, and Fox News tell them. School is for Liberals.

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jaunte  Sep 10, 2015 • 10:46:58am

re: #194 Jenner7

They’re bringing guns to a legal fight. That’s the whole point of being the 3%: violence threatened as leverage against the majority.

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Mattand  Sep 10, 2015 • 10:47:01am

re: #177 SteveMcGaziBolaGate

The most threatening thing I saw so far is that they will “put the judge on notice”. Do you have anything more threatening than that? I never make the argument the you said I did. So I repeat my questions: What excuses did I make? (I notice that one hasn’t been answered), and what threats did they make against the judge?

Your excuse is that you are using the same kind of linguistic acrobatics the cops did to me when my neighbor threatened my girlfriend and I:

Sorry, sir, but “You’re going to fucking pay” could be a reference to a debt between you that the department is unaware of.

It’s that hyper-acute reading of the 1st Amendment that people hide behind when they don’t want to admit someone is making a threat. You know full well what the OathKeepers are talking about.

And as someone else pointed out earlier, the Bundy Ranch incident has emboldened these kind of idiots even further. Giving these guys a pass because they haven’t specified what kind of bullets they’re going to use is ridiculous.

And again: if the OathKeepers were black, they’d have already been arrested for what these white guys are saying.

You know what else is complicated: the fucking privilege that Caucasians and the religious get in this country.

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SteveMcGaziBolaGate  Sep 10, 2015 • 10:47:43am

re: #173 Eventual Carrion

No, but if I called a judge and said I was coming to get him/her sure as shit I would be in jail within the hour.

Did that happen?

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Higgs Boson's Mate  Sep 10, 2015 • 10:47:52am

re: #193 mr.fusion

So let me get this straight

A group that says it’s scared of government officials taking away peoples rights, is offering to protect a government official taking away peoples rights?

Am I getting that correct?

You are. The Oath Keepers are defending someone for not keeping her oath.

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Jenner7  Sep 10, 2015 • 10:48:06am

re: #197 SteveMcGaziBolaGate

How is an armed militia threatening to prevent Kim from being arrested NOT a threat of violence?

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Eclectic Cyborg  Sep 10, 2015 • 10:48:39am

I work for a telecom company. Awhile back I had the (dis)pleasure of talking to a customer who not only insulted the company and my coworkers repeatedly but then also took it upon himself to personally insult me in a very obscene fashion. When I told him that was uncalled for and he needed to stop, he proceeded to tell me the 1st Amendment means he can say whatever he wants to me without penalty. I explained to him calmly the 1st Amendment doesn’t apply since my for profit company is NOT the U.S. government. He vehemently disagreed, told me I didn’t know what the fuck I was talking about and proceeded to continue throwing vulgar insults at me.

I reminded him I’d already warned him about his behavior and hung up the call and yes, I am allowed to do that.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 10, 2015 • 10:48:40am

They’re not merely saying that they will stop an arrest from happening. they’re saying that they will prevent it from happening again. How on earth is that anything but a threat under the Kentucky statute?

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CriticalDragon1177  Sep 10, 2015 • 10:49:17am

I’m having a heart attack just looking at this thing!

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No Country For Old Haters  Sep 10, 2015 • 10:49:30am

re: #206 Higgs Boson’s Mate

You are. The Oath Keepers are defending someone for not keeping her oath.

Right wing asshats don’t care about people’s rights, unless it’s the imagined right to oppress everyone who’s not part of their cult.

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wrenchwench  Sep 10, 2015 • 10:49:41am

re: #195 Chan Kobun

Y know what, y’all can just have this discussion. You want to waste your time, be my guest. I’ll eb back when people learn to not give defenders of fascism and terrorism the time of day.

And if you want to get all pissy and downvote this comment because you can’t stand the truth being told about you? Just log out and leave. You aren’t needed.

This community is more complex than that.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 10, 2015 • 10:49:52am

re: #210 CriticalDragon1177

I’m having a heart attack just looking at this thing!

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That’s too much ground beef for a week let alone one meal.

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Lidane  Sep 10, 2015 • 10:50:03am

*facepalm*

Video at the link.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Sep 10, 2015 • 10:50:40am

And of note, he tried to give me the example of protesters outside of an abortion clinic to justify how the 1st amendment could apply to interactions with private companies. I pointed out to him that those protesters are acting legally as long as they are protesting on PUBLIC PROPERTY and that they would NOT be tolerated if they tried to do that INSIDE the clinic.

Didn’t seem to sway him.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 10, 2015 • 10:50:47am

re: #214 Lidane

*facepalm*

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Video at the link.

But he’s a good egg and we need him to prevent someone really nutty from taking his seat.

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Jenner7  Sep 10, 2015 • 10:50:59am

And an armed militia “protecting” Kim Davis is not civil disobedience.

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Jenner7  Sep 10, 2015 • 10:51:41am

re: #214 Lidane

And Katrina happened under Obama.

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lawhawk  Sep 10, 2015 • 10:51:50am

re: #107 Charles Johnson

The Oath Keepers aren’t just skating on a very fine line between engaging in free speech but are openly agitating for a violent confrontation with their statements. As you say, they’re heavily armed and these statements can be taken to indicate incitement to violence, or at a minimum hoping to force government officials to back down from their lawful activities, including operating under color of law to fulfill their duties (like making sure that idiot clerks do their jobs and don’t violate the 1A), allowing sheriffs and other federal officials to carry out lawful detention for contempt if it comes to that, etc.

The more the Oath Keepers show their cards, the more they reveal themselves to be a terror group that operates lawlessly and with the hope of causing violent confrontation so as to fulfill their violent fantasies.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Sep 10, 2015 • 10:51:58am

I worry about violence against Muslims tomorrow…I really do.

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No Country For Old Haters  Sep 10, 2015 • 10:52:22am

re: #210 CriticalDragon1177

The bacon and cheese look good, but those patties look really off.

Probably because of this: This giant burger contains 84 McDonald’s cheeseburgers

In the past month I’ve switched from a lifetime of being a carnivore to eating only vegetables on the weekends and for some weekday lunches and dinners. I’m losing the excess weight quickly, and already feel a lot better.

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blueraven  Sep 10, 2015 • 10:52:35am

re: #195 Chan Kobun

Y know what, y’all can just have this discussion. You want to waste your time, be my guest. I’ll eb back when people learn to not give defenders of fascism and terrorism the time of day.

And if you want to get all pissy and downvote this comment because you can’t stand the truth being told about you? Just log out and leave. You aren’t needed.

Wow, hard to fathom how we managed before you arrived earlier this year.

/

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Decatur Deb  Sep 10, 2015 • 10:52:43am

re: #219 lawhawk

The Oath Keepers aren’t just skating on a very fine line between engaging in free speech but are openly agitating for a violent confrontation with their statements. As you say, they’re heavily armed and these statements can be taken to indicate incitement to violence, or at a minimum hoping to force government officials to back down from their lawful activities, including operating under color of law to fulfill their duties (like making sure that idiot clerks do their jobs and don’t violate the 1A), allowing sheriffs and other federal officials to carry out lawful detention for contempt if it comes to that, etc.

The more the Oath Keepers show their cards, the more they reveal themselves to be a terror group that operates lawlessly and with the hope of causing violent confrontation so as to fulfill their violent fantasies.

I don’t expect the DoJ to be as surprised this time.

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Eventual Carrion  Sep 10, 2015 • 10:52:44am

re: #141 SteveMcGaziBolaGate

Well they haven’t actually done what they’re THREATENING TO DO. Good fucking grief.

What exactly are they threatening to do? Show me where they threaten to hurt anybody or engage in any violence. They can intercede simply by blocking the path of the marshalls. That would get them arrested, but it would not make them the sort of violent goons you expect them to be.

Terroristic THREATS.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 10, 2015 • 10:52:46am

re: #215 Eclectic Cyborg

And of note, he tried to give me the example of protesters outside of an abortion clinic to justify how the 1st amendment could apply to interactions with private companies. I pointed out to him that those protesters are acting legally as long as they are protesting on PUBLIC PROPERTY and that they would NOT be tolerated if they tried to do that INSIDE the clinic.

Didn’t seem to sway him.

Right, there’s a reason why they protest outside the clinic rather than on its property. I am sorry hat happened to you though. That guy seems like a real dick.

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No Country For Old Haters  Sep 10, 2015 • 10:53:15am

re: #214 Lidane

*facepalm*

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Video at the link.

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nines09  Sep 10, 2015 • 10:53:25am

re: #214 Lidane

Couldn’t make it to Kims Prom, and everyone one else is getting photo ops and print….. Hell, just throw anything out there.

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SteveMcGaziBolaGate  Sep 10, 2015 • 10:53:42am

re: #204 Mattand

Your excuse is that you are using the same kind of linguistic acrobatics the cops did to me when my neighbor threatened my girlfriend and I:

It’s that hyper-acute reading of the 1st Amendment that people hide behind when they don’t want to admit someone is making a threat. You know full well what the OathKeepers are talking about.

And as someone else pointed out earlier, the Bundy Ranch incident has emboldened these kind of idiots even further. Giving these guys a pass because they haven’t specified what kind of bullets they’re going to use is ridiculous.

And again: if the OathKeepers were black, they’d have already been arrested for these white guys are saying.

You know what else is complicated: the fucking privilege that Caucasians and the religious get in this country.

The Oaf Keepers didn’t say somebody was going to pay, so your example is meaningless. So far, nobody can contradict certain facts. 1. The Oaf Keepers have not hurt anybody. 2. The “threats” are not explicitly violent. 3. They haven’t interceded yet.
These are not excuses for anything. Under the rule of law we all want to live with, you don’t have probable cause to arrest them. Unless you want to go with the Dick Cheney 1% doctrine.

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CriticalDragon1177  Sep 10, 2015 • 10:53:46am

re: #213 HappyWarrior

That’s too much ground beef for a week let alone one meal.

Not to mention all the bread!

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HappyWarrior  Sep 10, 2015 • 10:55:02am

re: #221 No Country For Old Haters

The bacon and cheese look good, but those patties look really off.

Probably because of this: This giant burger contains 84 McDonald’s cheeseburgers

In the past month I’ve switched from a lifetime of being a carnivore to eating only vegetables on the weekends and for some weekday lunches and dinners. I’m losing the excess weight quickly, and already feel a lot better.

I am trying to down on my meat consumption too. I need to eat better. I’ve gained some of the weight back that I lost two years ago. I’m actually finding this harder than the first part since there’s less weight that needs to be lost and I don’t think I could do the obsessive routine I put into the first weight loss.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 10, 2015 • 10:55:30am

re: #229 CriticalDragon1177

Not to mention all the bread!

Oh yeha for sure. Holy carbs batman.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Sep 10, 2015 • 10:55:57am

re: #213 HappyWarrior

That’s too much ground beef for a week let alone one meal.

When I was 18-19-20…, before we had Burger Kings here (remember when the Whopper was actually—you know—big?) we had a chain called Burger Shef (yes that’s a “S”) that served something called a Super Shef that was really enormous. I was a real pizza-face at that time, and frequently wasn’t able to open my mouth far enough to eat one.

Seeing that picture is bringing that pain back. I blame Nixon….

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CriticalDragon1177  Sep 10, 2015 • 10:56:49am
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gwangung  Sep 10, 2015 • 10:57:59am

re: #228 SteveMcGaziBolaGate

The Oaf Keepers didn’t say somebody was going to pay, so your example is meaningless. So far, nobody can contradict certain facts. 1. The Oaf Keepers have not hurt anybody. 2. The “threats” are not explicitly violent. 3. They haven’t interceded yet.
These are not excuses for anything. Under the rule of law we all want to live with, you don’t have probable cause to arrest them. Unless you want to go with the Dick Cheney 1% doctrine.

So…you’re not using the “reasonable man’s standard”? What are you using?

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Mattand  Sep 10, 2015 • 10:58:00am

re: #228 SteveMcGaziBolaGate

Oh FFS. It’s an analogy. You know better than that.

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The Vicious Babushka  Sep 10, 2015 • 10:58:25am

OH LOOK DANA HAS A IDEA TO DEFEAT ISIS, GIVE GUNZ TO TEH LITTLE CHILDRENS!!!!!1

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HappyWarrior  Sep 10, 2015 • 10:59:28am

re: #232 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

When I was 18-19-20…, before we had Burger Kings here (remember when the Whopper was actually—you know—big?) we had a chain called Burger Shef (yes that’s a “S”) that served something called a Super Shef that was really enormous. I was a real pizza-face at that time, and frequently wasn’t able to open my mouth far enough to eat one.

Seeing that picture is bringing that pain back. I blame Nixon….

It continues to amaze me how we have these mega food items. I dunno, it just seems gross to me and I am a guy who loves to eat.

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No Country For Old Haters  Sep 10, 2015 • 11:00:09am

re: #236 The Vicious Babushka

OH LOOK DANA HAS A IDEA TO DEFEAT ISIS, GIVE GUNZ TO TEH LITTLE CHILDRENS!!!!!1

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HappyWarrior  Sep 10, 2015 • 11:00:26am

re: #236 The Vicious Babushka

OH LOOK DANA HAS A IDEA TO DEFEAT ISIS, GIVE GUNZ TO TEH LITTLE CHILDRENS!!!!!1

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She’s terrible.

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wrenchwench  Sep 10, 2015 • 11:00:30am

re: #236 The Vicious Babushka

OH LOOK DANA HAS A IDEA TO DEFEAT ISIS, GIVE GUNZ TO TEH LITTLE CHILDRENS!!!!!1

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Turks have been trying to disarm Kurds for decades.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 10, 2015 • 11:02:06am

Yeah have kids go up against armed terrorists. Brilliant idea Dana. God does every solution to this stupid woman involve guns and more guns? She needs to see someone about her gun fetish, it’s not healthy.

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teleskiguy  Sep 10, 2015 • 11:02:33am

re: #195 Chan Kobun

Y know what, y’all can just have this discussion. You want to waste your time, be my guest. I’ll eb back when people learn to not give defenders of fascism and terrorism the time of day.

And if you want to get all pissy and downvote this comment because you can’t stand the truth being told about you? Just log out and leave. You aren’t needed.

Give me a fucking break. Get off your goddamned high horse. Smug, holier-than-thou attitudes get my scorn. I somehow doubt you’re as pure as the driven snow. And no matter how wrong some people are around here, they’re hardly fascists. Good fucking grief!

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The Vicious Babushka  Sep 10, 2015 • 11:03:24am

re: #237 HappyWarrior

It continues to amaze me how we have these mega food items. I dunno, it just seems gross to me and I am a guy who loves to eat.

I am so grossed out by “Competitive Eating” events. It’s just sickening.

These “professional eaters” then purge themselves to crap out all 50 hotdogs they just consumed, because vomiting is too harmful.

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SteveMcGaziBolaGate  Sep 10, 2015 • 11:03:37am

re: #209 HappyWarrior

They’re not merely saying that they will stop an arrest from happening. they’re saying that they will prevent it from happening again. How on earth is that anything but a threat under the Kentucky statute?

I don’t know what else to say. I gave detailed responses to this question a couple of times. Yet some commenters (since there are a few I won’t say you because it’s kind of fluid) just keep ignoring any discourse and keep repeating this desire to arrest these people you disagree with because you disagree with them. The law that was cited above doesn’t really give anybody probable cause to make the arrest because it would be easy to fight in a court of law.
But what the hell, here we go again. The Oaf Keepers have not hurt anybody. Their statements do not say they will use force or violence to stop these proceedings (or those they’ve been associated with in the past). If you rounded up the usual suspects, they would go to a judge and be out on the streets by sunset, and YOU would find yourself in legal doodoo, both criminal and civil.

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lawhawk  Sep 10, 2015 • 11:04:09am

re: #141 SteveMcGaziBolaGate

Well they haven’t actually done what they’re THREATENING TO DO. Good fucking grief.

That’s why their statements fit the criminal charge of making terroristic threats. It’s the threat of interfering with the lawful execution of a government action - in this case the orderly affairs of a federal district court.

The threat is backed up by their presence in the state with heavily armed and armored nitwits who are seeking to pick a fight with law enforcement in the state. This is exactly the kind of situation the laws stated above envision.

Other charges that could be brought (the federal law is below, and the equivalent state laws would be similar in scope as indicated below):

18 USC 1503 - influencing an officer of the court (for making threats) by threats or force (or both).
18 USC 1509 - obstructing court orders.
18 USC 1511 - obstruction of state and federal law enforcement.

For instance, obstruction of government operations - KY Stat 519.020

Intimidating a participant in the legal process - KY Stat 524.040…

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No Country For Old Haters  Sep 10, 2015 • 11:04:19am

re: #242 teleskiguy

Give me a fucking break. Get off your goddamned high horse. Smug, holier-than-thou attitudes get my scorn. I somehow doubt you’re as pure as the driven snow. And no matter how wrong some people are around here, they’re hardly fascists. Good fucking grief!

Aren’t you the guy who stalked someone here and downdinged all their posts because you thought you were their judge?

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The Vicious Babushka  Sep 10, 2015 • 11:04:34am

re: #241 HappyWarrior

Yeah have kids go up against armed terrorists. Brilliant idea Dana. God does every solution to this stupid woman involve guns and more guns? She needs to see someone about her gun fetish, it’s not healthy.

Was she the one who had the idea that kindergarteners should be trained to charge a shooter or am I thinking of some other gun-fucking idiot.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Sep 10, 2015 • 11:04:38am

re: #243 The Vicious Babushka

I am so grossed out by “Competitive Eating” events. It’s just sickening.

These “professional eaters” then purge themselves to crap out all 50 hotdogs they just consumed, because vomiting is too harmful.

Gah, you jst made me flash on the pie-eating-contest scene from Stand by Me!

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CriticalDragon1177  Sep 10, 2015 • 11:05:02am

re: #236 The Vicious Babushka

re: #238 No Country For Old Haters

Um guys, I’m not sure she’s saying its a good thing that they’re arming kids to fight ISIS, or that they’re arming kids to fight ISIS because they lack resources and we should give them more resources so they won’t be so desperate and have to arm their children.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 10, 2015 • 11:05:14am

re: #243 The Vicious Babushka

I am so grossed out by “Competitive Eating” events. It’s just sickening.

These “professional eaters” then purge themselves to crap out all 50 hotdogs they just consumed, because vomiting is too harmful.

Yeah I think the Nathan’s contest is disgusting.

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SteveMcGaziBolaGate  Sep 10, 2015 • 11:05:38am

re: #235 Mattand

Oh FFS. It’s an analogy. You know better than that.

No, actually if you use an analogy it should apply to the situation. You know better than that.

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No Country For Old Haters  Sep 10, 2015 • 11:05:51am

re: #249 CriticalDragon1177

Um guys, I’m not sure she’s saying its a good thing that they’re arming kids to fight ISIS, or that they’re arming kids to fight ISIS because they lack resources and we should give them more resources so they won’t be so desperate and have to arm their children.

why not armed Kurdish children fighting ISIS

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Lidane  Sep 10, 2015 • 11:05:51am
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HappyWarrior  Sep 10, 2015 • 11:06:15am

re: #249 CriticalDragon1177

Um guys, I’m not sure she’s saying its a good thing that they’re arming kids to fight ISIS, or that they’re arming kids to fight ISIS because they lack resources and we should give them more resources so they won’t be so desperate and have to arm their children.

I dunno. Normally I’d be willing to give a BoD but this is Dana Loesch who has expressed similar sentiments after school shootings.

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A Mom Anon  Sep 10, 2015 • 11:06:30am

re: #236 The Vicious Babushka

Why don’t all these brave patriots sign up to fight ISIS themselves if they’re so concerned? Instead of giving little kids guns, why doesn’t Dana and her super patriot husband go on ahead and fight? If they’re so patriotic and brave why aren’t THEY protecting those little ones?

I really wish that it was possible to take these idiots to the war torn places they pontificate about so they could see the destruction first hand. It’s not like a couple buildings get knocked over and are cleaned up in a few days. There are whole towns and villages relegated to not much more than piles of gray ash and dust and literally nothing else. That doesn’t even take into account the environmental destruction of the soil and water supply that could take generations to recover enough to support agriculture and just plain day to day life. All these brave warriors really should have to see the aftermath of what they cheer for. Even if only for one day.

I’m really starting to lose faith in humanity sometimes.

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Aunty Entity Dragon  Sep 10, 2015 • 11:06:50am

re: #244 SteveMcGaziBolaGate

I don’t know what else to say. I gave detailed responses to this question a couple of times. Yet some commenters (since there are a few I won’t say you because it’s kind of fluid) just keep ignoring any discourse and keep repeating this desire to arrest these people you disagree with because you disagree with them. The law that was cited above doesn’t really give anybody probable cause to make the arrest because it would be easy to fight in a court of law.
But what the hell, here we go again. The Oaf Keepers have not hurt anybody. Their statements do not say they will use force or violence to stop these proceedings (or those they’ve been associated with in the past). If you rounded up the usual suspects, they would go to a judge and be out on the streets by sunset, and YOU would find yourself in legal doodoo, both criminal and civil.

Because making threats that can reasonably interpreted as leading to a direct illegal action are illegal.

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The Vicious Babushka  Sep 10, 2015 • 11:07:10am

re: #249 CriticalDragon1177

Um guys, I’m not sure she’s saying its a good thing that they’re arming kids to fight ISIS, or that they’re arming kids to fight ISIS because they lack resources and we should give them more resources so they won’t be so desperate and have to arm their children.

I am pretty sure that “by resources” Dana means MOAR GUNS and not stuff like food.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 10, 2015 • 11:07:10am

re: #247 The Vicious Babushka

Was she the one who had the idea that kindergarteners should be trained to charge a shooter or am I thinking of some other gun-fucking idiot.

May have been her. There’s a lot of stupid suggestions that follow tragedies by these idiots though so it’s easy to lose track of who said what exactly.

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CriticalDragon1177  Sep 10, 2015 • 11:07:42am

re: #252 No Country For Old Haters

why not armed Kurdish children fighting ISIS

Because they’re just children, and children won’t be as capable of defending themselves as adults.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 10, 2015 • 11:08:12am

re: #255 A Mom Anon

Why don’t all these brave patriots sign up to fight ISIS themselves if they’re so concerned? Instead of giving little kids guns, why doesn’t Dana and her super patriot husband go on ahead and fight? If they’re so patriotic and brave why aren’t THEY protecting those little ones?

I really wish that it was possible to take these idiots to the war torn places they pontificate about so they could see the destruction first hand. It’s not like a couple buildings get knocked over and are cleaned up in a few days. There are whole towns and villages relegated to not much more than piles of gray ash and dust and literally nothing else. That doesn’t even take into account the environmental destruction of the soil and water supply that could take generations to recover enough to support agriculture and just plain day to day life. All these brave warriors really should have to see the aftermath of what they cheer for. Even if only for one day.

I’m really starting to lose faith in humanity sometimes.

Because despite Dana thinking she’s tough, she’s not at all.

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No Country For Old Haters  Sep 10, 2015 • 11:08:55am

re: #259 CriticalDragon1177

Because they’re just children, and children won’t be as capable of defending themselves as adults.

Tell Dana.

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The Vicious Babushka  Sep 10, 2015 • 11:09:29am

re: #249 CriticalDragon1177

Um guys, I’m not sure she’s saying its a good thing that they’re arming kids to fight ISIS, or that they’re arming kids to fight ISIS because they lack resources and we should give them more resources so they won’t be so desperate and have to arm their children.

She’s pretty clear she is talking about MOAR GUNZ

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lawhawk  Sep 10, 2015 • 11:09:34am

re: #236 The Vicious Babushka

The Kurds are already armed - the Pesh Merga are one of the more effective militias in the region, so arming kids isn’t going to help matters. And Dana seems to have a case of the cognitive dissonances because she’s pointed out when Islamists have brought child soldiers into conflicts - like what Hamas or Hizbullah have done with their “day camps” but now she’s suggesting that another ethnic group do it even as Western countries and the UN consider the use of child soldiers to be a war crime.

Recruiting and using children under the age of 15 as soldiers is prohibited under international humanitarian law - treaty and custom - and is defined as a war crime by the International Criminal Court. Parties to conflict that recruit and use children are listed by the Secretary-General in the annexes of his annual report on children and armed conflict.

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Jenner7  Sep 10, 2015 • 11:09:53am

Yeesh, did we wake up on the wrong side of the bed this morning? It’s grumpy in here.

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No Country For Old Haters  Sep 10, 2015 • 11:09:54am

re: #260 HappyWarrior

Because despite Dana thinking she’s tough, she’s not at all.

If she was tough, she wouldn’t need a gun. Actually tough people can kick ass with just their hands and feet.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 10, 2015 • 11:10:02am

re: #259 CriticalDragon1177

Because they’re just children, and children won’t be as capable of defending themselves as adults.

I think he’s saying that is what Dana said, not his own thoughts. But in any case, I agree with you. Does Dana know anything about kids and I would say guns too which is funny despite her claims to be this expert on guns.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Sep 10, 2015 • 11:10:29am

re: #257 The Vicious Babushka

I am pretty sure that “by resources” Dana means MOAR GUNS and not stuff like food.

As pointed wrenchwench pointed out at 240, the Turks have been disarming Kurds for centuries. Arabs for almost a century. Somebody tell Dana that the Kurds are Iranian, and see what happens.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 10, 2015 • 11:10:32am

re: #265 No Country For Old Haters

If she was tough, she wouldn’t need a gun. Actually tough people can kick ass with just their hands and feet.

Like Chuck Norris! But yeah heh.

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Jenner7  Sep 10, 2015 • 11:10:51am

re: #262 The Vicious Babushka

She seems to think ISIS is easy to destroy. Which makes her a dumb ass.

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makeitstop  Sep 10, 2015 • 11:10:55am

re: #247 The Vicious Babushka

Was she the one who had the idea that kindergarteners should be trained to charge a shooter or am I thinking of some other gun-fucking idiot.

Megan McArdle. Newsweek’s gun-fucking idiot.

I’d also like us to encourage people to gang rush shooters, rather than following their instincts to hide; if we drilled it into young people that the correct thing to do is for everyone to instantly run at the guy with the gun, these sorts of mass shootings would be less deadly, because even a guy with a very powerful weapon can be brought down by 8-12 unarmed bodies piling on him at once.

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No Country For Old Haters  Sep 10, 2015 • 11:11:32am

re: #266 HappyWarrior

I think he’s saying that is what Dana said, not his own thoughts. But in any case, I agree with you. Does Dana know anything about kids and I would say guns too which is funny despite her claims to be this expert on guns.

Yep, If I say “why not arm children” or “what’s wrong with slavery” I’m always quoting a wingnut.

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Jenner7  Sep 10, 2015 • 11:11:35am

::snaps finger::

ISIS gone.

Yeah, doesn’t work that way, Dana.

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Kragar  Sep 10, 2015 • 11:11:52am

re: #264 Jenner7

Yeesh, did we wake up on the wrong side of the bed this morning? It’s grumpy in here.

What the fuck do you mean by that?
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jaunte  Sep 10, 2015 • 11:11:53am

re: #264 Jenner7

Yeesh, did we wake up on the wrong side of the bed this morning? It’s grumpy in here.

I AM NOT, YOU FASCIST!!

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HappyWarrior  Sep 10, 2015 • 11:11:53am

re: #270 makeitstop

Megan McArdle. Newsweek’s gun-fucking idiot.

If Megan got her wish, you’d see even more dead people.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 10, 2015 • 11:12:19am

re: #271 No Country For Old Haters

Yep, If I say “why not arm children” or “what’s wrong with slavery” I’m always quoting a wingnut.

Yeah I figured you said that to emphasize what she was saying.

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No Country For Old Haters  Sep 10, 2015 • 11:12:36am

re: #269 Jenner7

She seems to think ISIS is easy to destroy. Which makes her a dumb ass.

It’s one of the symptoms of being a dumbass anyway. There’s a whole cluster of celebrated Conservative dysfunctions.

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Charles Johnson  Sep 10, 2015 • 11:12:48am

Still wrestling with Unicode…

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HappyWarrior  Sep 10, 2015 • 11:12:50am

re: #264 Jenner7

Yeesh, did we wake up on the wrong side of the bed this morning? It’s grumpy in here.

I feel like shit- late summer sniffles and sore throat but aside from that I’m okay.

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The Vicious Babushka  Sep 10, 2015 • 11:12:50am

re: #265 No Country For Old Haters

If she was tough, she wouldn’t need a gun. Actually tough people can kick ass with just their hands and feet.

MOAR PEOPLE ARE KILLED WITH JUST HANDS & FEET THAN WITH AR-15 ASSAULT RIFLES OF ANY TYPE!!!!!11!! FBI FACTS!!!11!! MOLONLABE!!!!!!

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SteveMcGaziBolaGate  Sep 10, 2015 • 11:12:52am

re: #245 lawhawk

That’s why their statements fit the criminal charge of making terroristic threats. It’s the threat of interfering with the lawful execution of a government action - in this case the orderly affairs of a federal district court.

The threat is backed up by their presence in the state with heavily armed and armored nitwits who are seeking to pick a fight with law enforcement in the state. This is exactly the kind of situation the laws stated above envision.

Other charges that could be brought (the federal law is below, and the equivalent state laws would be similar in scope as indicated below):

18 USC 1503 - influencing an officer of the court (for making threats) by threats or force (or both).
18 USC 1509 - obstructing court orders.
18 USC 1511 - obstruction of state and federal law enforcement.

For instance, obstruction of government operations - KY Stat 519.020

Intimidating a participant in the legal process - KY Stat 524.040…

So where are the cases of pre-emptive arrests? Who got arrested for saying they would try to interfere with a judgement? Did you consider my argument above that if you arrested the Oaf Keepers, you would not be able to keep them? Their statements are crafted very carefully to avoid crossing any lines. And they haven’t hurt anybody.

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nines09  Sep 10, 2015 • 11:13:07am

re: #270 makeitstop

Megan McArdle. Newsweek’s gun-fucking idiot.

Ah. Pre-K Ninja courses…

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Charles Johnson  Sep 10, 2015 • 11:13:17am

Hey, I think I finally found the magic combo.

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CriticalDragon1177  Sep 10, 2015 • 11:13:45am

re: #174 Lidane

Still beating that dead and zombified horse:


They don’t care, the anti gay crowd won’t give up on their fantasy that they’re destined to win sometime soon and permanently turn back the clock on LGBT rights, especially when it comes to marriage equality.

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teleskiguy  Sep 10, 2015 • 11:14:08am

And SteveMcG, you’re wrong, and you’re doing this.

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Kragar  Sep 10, 2015 • 11:14:27am
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No Country For Old Haters  Sep 10, 2015 • 11:14:31am

re: #278 Charles Johnson

Still wrestling with Unicode…

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It’s starting to look really furrin here. You Liberals need to speak American.

on preview:Looks like you have an issue with quoting unicode.

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aagcobb  Sep 10, 2015 • 11:14:32am

re: #279 HappyWarrior

I feel like shit- late summer sniffles and sore throat but aside from that I’m okay.

My wife stayed home from work today with that.

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Jenner7  Sep 10, 2015 • 11:14:35am

re: #279 HappyWarrior

Yep, going around here too. I have an endless leaky eye.

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Higgs Boson's Mate  Sep 10, 2015 • 11:14:37am

re: #278 Charles Johnson

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How dare you say that about my great-grandmother!

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Great White Snark  Sep 10, 2015 • 11:15:09am

re: #30 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

Wait that’s not the critics of hippos?

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Eventual Carrion  Sep 10, 2015 • 11:15:18am

re: #184 SteveMcGaziBolaGate

That’s my point. It is a case for lawyers. Rhodes is careful not to cross any lines with his words. So far, the Oaf Keepers have engaged in non-violent action. I don’t think you can arrest them pre-emptively. That’s what Dick Cheney would do.

Let me clue you in on my personal experience. This was in Texas, but the law read pretty much just like the law reads above.

My first wife and I divorced (we had a young son). She remarried and was trying to push me out of my sons life. She and new hubby were trying to get our son to call this new hubby “dad”. One weekend I went to get him for our weekend. As we were driving he turned to me as if to ask me a question and stuttered over calling me dad. He informed me what was gong on at his mothers and this “dad” thing. It pissed me off. I dropped him off on Sunday (the new hubby wasn’t home) so I told his mom I didn’t appreciate what was going on. She said new hubby was kinda wanting it that way. I went home and called him later that night when I figured he would be home. The call got heated and I told him not to get in between me and my son or I would take him out of the middle of us. The next day the county sheriff showed up at my work and arrested me for terroristic THREATS. I spent 3 days in jail before a judge finally saw me and dismissed the charges.

So saying that they have done nothing is bullshit, they are making threats. The same shit I spent 3 days in jail for.

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Aunty Entity Dragon  Sep 10, 2015 • 11:15:32am

re: #278 Charles Johnson

Still wrestling with Unicode…

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Right now I cannot left click and cut/paste or use the top right hand option buttons here.

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Charles Johnson  Sep 10, 2015 • 11:15:51am

re: #278 Charles Johnson

Still wrestling with Unicode…

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nines09  Sep 10, 2015 • 11:16:10am

re: #287 Kragar

He seems sane.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 10, 2015 • 11:16:16am

re: #289 aagcobb

My wife stayed home from work today with that.

It’s annoying but fortunately I don’t work directly with too many people. Really annoying how it snuck up on me on Tuesday evening though. Felt great throughout the work day and then when I got out and went out to dinner, a sore throat. Sniffles didn’t come until last night htough. I think it’s just allergies.

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Higgs Boson's Mate  Sep 10, 2015 • 11:16:20am

re: #294 Aunty Entity Dragon

Oh, fuck! I can’t feel my legs, man!

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lawhawk  Sep 10, 2015 • 11:16:21am

re: #281 SteveMcGaziBolaGate

Because the prosecutors haven’t made that determination yet. They’re probably waiting to see if they actually act on their statements.

If they do act on them, then all of those charges, plus those identified above, would apply.

And no, if they were arrested, they could be held depending on the charges and what was found (like determining if they had outstanding warrants elsewhere, were legally entitled to carry firearms, etc.).

Their statements don’t just skirt the line - they’ve full blown gone over the other side.

If you’re that close to the line to say you’re skirting it, you’ve gone and crossed it.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 10, 2015 • 11:16:47am

re: #290 Jenner7

Yep, going around here too. I have an endless leaky eye.

Cannot wait for the weekend. One more day. I get paid this week too. Woot.

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Charles Johnson  Sep 10, 2015 • 11:16:48am

You’re seeing garbage characters because you need to reload the page now. The Javascript changed.

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CriticalDragon1177  Sep 10, 2015 • 11:16:58am

re: #282 nines09

Ah. Pre-K Ninja courses…

Wow, what a nutjob. Talk about a gun nut. She’d rather more kids die than put any restrictions on gun ownership.

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Kragar  Sep 10, 2015 • 11:17:12am

re: #296 nines09

He seems sane.

There is the distinct possibility he is being a tad bit sarcastic.

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teleskiguy  Sep 10, 2015 • 11:17:36am

re: #246 No Country For Old Haters

Aren’t you the guy who stalked someone here and downdinged all their posts because you thought you were their judge?

If by pointing out to the community what an awful person a certain commenter was, then yes, I’m a stalker.

GFY

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The Vicious Babushka  Sep 10, 2015 • 11:17:56am

re: #287 Kragar

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“Don’t let your praying knees get lazy!” made me LOL

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HappyWarrior  Sep 10, 2015 • 11:17:57am

re: #302 CriticalDragon1177

Wow, what a nutjob. Talk about a gun nut. She’d rather more kids die than put any restrictions on gun ownership.

That’s always been the NRA’s position under LaPierrre. Dead kids > sensible gun laws.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 10, 2015 • 11:18:09am

People get arrested EVERY SINGLE DAY in Kentucky for terroristic threatening.
Some are charged with that for threatening judges and lawyers in divorce cases and other civil lawsuit cases.
Some are charged with it when they threaten neighbors and police for perceived injustices.
My favorites are the ones who threaten law enforcement for DOING THEIR JOBS (like delivering summonses).
All of those people go directly to jail.

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Charles Johnson  Sep 10, 2015 • 11:18:10am
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No Country For Old Haters  Sep 10, 2015 • 11:18:13am

re: #301 Charles Johnson

You’re seeing garbage characters because you need to reload the page now. The Javascript changed.

Tested and confirmed.

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SteveMcGaziBolaGate  Sep 10, 2015 • 11:18:49am

re: #286 teleskiguy

You’re simply ignoring what I’ve said. The threats are not of violence. They have no history of violence. The people who want to arrest them are acting just like Dick Cheney. Nobody can make the legal case to arrest them without reading things into their statements that simply aren’t there.

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teleskiguy  Sep 10, 2015 • 11:19:08am

re: #264 Jenner7

Yeesh, did we wake up on the wrong side of the bed this morning? It’s grumpy in here.

Funny, I was thinking the same thing.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 10, 2015 • 11:19:22am

re: #307 Backwoods_Sleuth

People get arrested EVERY SINGLE DAY in Kentucky for terroristic threatening.
Some are charged with that for threatening judges and lawyers in divorce cases and other civil lawsuit cases.
Some are charged with it when they threaten neighbors and police for perceived injustices.
My favorites are the ones who threaten law enforcement for DOING THEIR JOBS (like delivering summonses).
All of those people go directly to jail.

As I said, people get arrested for far more minor threats than what these guys did. How the hell else do you interpret “prevent from happening again” and the fact that these guys will definitely be armed. I am sorry but that definitely qualifies as a threat under Kentucky’s statue that Jaunte was nice enough to find.

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Charles Johnson  Sep 10, 2015 • 11:19:35am

Well, I’m not going to celebrate yet until it’s in the wild for a little bit, but I think I finally debugged the Unicode problems.

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wrenchwench  Sep 10, 2015 • 11:19:36am

re: #301 Charles Johnson

You’re seeing garbage characters because you need to reload the page now. The Javascript changed.

Hey now, they’re all lizards until they get really offensive…

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Eventual Carrion  Sep 10, 2015 • 11:19:39am

re: #205 SteveMcGaziBolaGate

Did that happen?

Read my story. Yes it fucking happened. And the threat wasn’t even to a judge or government authority doing their job.

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No Country For Old Haters  Sep 10, 2015 • 11:19:39am

re: #310 SteveMcGaziBolaGate

You’re simply ignoring what I’ve said. The threats are not of violence. They have no history of violence. The people who want to arrest them are acting just like Dick Cheney. Nobody can make the legal case to arrest them without reading things into their statements that simply aren’t there.

How do you think they plan to prevent the arrest of a criminal non-violently while heavily armed?

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Sep 10, 2015 • 11:19:58am

re: #245 lawhawk

Thanks for weighing in as someone with a law degree. :) I know the law is complicated and all so it’s nice to get the perspective of someone who has actually studied it.

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Dr. Matt  Sep 10, 2015 • 11:21:15am

Pace University Football Captain Gives Nazi Salute While Wearing Confederate Flag Outfit

Pace University Football Captain Gives Nazi Salute While Wearing Confederate Flag Outfit deadspin.com

First question: WTF is Pace University?
Second question: Are we being punked?

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SteveMcGaziBolaGate  Sep 10, 2015 • 11:22:18am

re: #293 Eventual Carrion

Let me clue you in on my personal experience. This was in Texas, but the law read pretty much just like the law reads above.

My first wife and I divorced (we had a young son). She remarried and was trying to push me out of my sons life. She and new hubby were trying to get our son to call this new hubby “dad”. One weekend I went to get him for our weekend. As we were driving he turned to me as if to ask me a question and stuttered over calling me dad. He informed me what was gong on at his mothers and this “dad” thing. It pissed me off. I dropped him off on Sunday (the new hubby wasn’t home) so I told his mom I didn’t appreciate what was going on. She said new hubby was kinda wanting it that way. I went home and called him later that night when I figured he would be home. The call got heated and I told him not to get in between me and my son or I would take him out of the middle of us. The next day the county sheriff showed up at my work and arrested me for terroristic THREATS. I spent 3 days in jail before a judge finally saw me and dismissed the charges.

So saying that they have done nothing is bullshit, they are making threats. The same shit I spent 3 days in jail for.

And my point is that there is plenty of precedence for violence in family disputes. The Oaf Keepers never said they would take the judge out. Show me where they did. Show me the history of Oaf keeper violence. Law. it’s complicated.

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Aunty Entity Dragon  Sep 10, 2015 • 11:22:21am

I see glibitarian lawyer and host of an utterly fucking insane wingnut commetariat Jonathan Turely( jonathanturley.org)is celebrating the win his crazy longshot lawsuit to sink Obamacare (here we go again………) got in Federal Court yesterday.

They will never stop.

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ObserverArt  Sep 10, 2015 • 11:22:50am

I was reading through this thread and thought I’d jump in…which may be futile considering.

You can be arrested for harassment, intimidation and threats…and there doe not have to be violence involved.

I guess the best way to say it is the police can arrest someone as a way of protecting others.

It is known that Oath Keepers relies on intimidation, that is why they carry guns, dress the way they do and act as they do. What they have done in Kentuucky is also harassment and threatening. So, trifecta.

Maybe Steve, who I sometimes thinks just likes to be the contrarian, would like to read this site (see link at bottom) to see the police can easily arrest Oath Keepers if they keep this crap going and the police feel it has gotten to the point the judge and others need to be protected. Maybe the first thing that would happen is a protection order saying Oath Keepers need to be 200 yards away from all officials involved in this case. Once they break that…time to arrest.

But even without the protection order, the police certainly could step in and arrest just by calling it “keeping the peace” and moving Oath Keepers away before any violence does occur.

Plea.org - Harassment, Intimidation & Threats

And from the site…this paragraph may make Steve think differently.

No actual injury need occur. The offender does not need to have intended to harm you. If their behaviour would cause a reasonable person to fear for their safety, it is criminal harassment. Serious cases could result in an offender being sent to jail for up to ten years. In some cases an offender may be prohibited from possessing firearms, ammunition or explosives.

Steve, are you a reasonable person?

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lawhawk  Sep 10, 2015 • 11:23:49am

re: #318 Dr. Matt

Pace is a university in NYS - they have a campus in Lower Manhattan across from City Hall and up in White Plains. They also have a law school.

And yeah, it looks like the captain of their football team is a dumbass racist asshole.

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No Country For Old Haters  Sep 10, 2015 • 11:24:06am

re: #320 Aunty Entity Dragon

I see glibitarian lawyer and host of an utterly fucking insane wingnut commetariat Jonathan Turely( jonathanturley.org)is celebrating the win his crazy longshot lawsuit to sink Obamacare (here we go again………) got in Federal Court yesterday.

They will never stop.

If they do manage to kill the ACA, we’ll likely have the public support for single payer when so many people lose their health insurance. The wingnuts will get exactly the opposite of what they want. You can’t stop progress.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 10, 2015 • 11:24:26am

If someone says if I don’t do what they want, they will prevent me from doing it again and knowing that these guys are armed, yeah I am going to count that as a threat against me. It may not be as direct as “I’ll shoot you in the face if you arrest Kim Davis again” but it’s still a threat. according to the Kentucky statute.

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nines09  Sep 10, 2015 • 11:24:31am

re: #303 Kragar

Not all that hip on the Twitterverse. Seemed like an endorsement at first blush.

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aagcobb  Sep 10, 2015 • 11:24:37am

re: #307 Backwoods_Sleuth

People get arrested EVERY SINGLE DAY in Kentucky for terroristic threatening.
Some are charged with that for threatening judges and lawyers in divorce cases and other civil lawsuit cases.
Some are charged with it when they threaten neighbors and police for perceived injustices.
My favorites are the ones who threaten law enforcement for DOING THEIR JOBS (like delivering summonses).
All of those people go directly to jail.

One time a guy called me and demanded I reschedule a hearing. I told him no, and he said “I’ll be hunting you tomorrow.” I went to a judge, got a warrant for his arrest, and after he spent a night in jail he had a much more respectful attitude.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Sep 10, 2015 • 11:24:48am

re: #319 SteveMcGaziBolaGate

And my point is that there is plenty of precedence for violence in family disputes. The Oaf Keepers never said they would take the judge out. Show me where they did. Show me the history of Oaf keeper violence. Law. it’s complicated.

Sovereign citizens are well known for their nonviolent means of solving conflicts, it’s true.

I mean, that’s pretty much what you just reduced his example to. The Oafkeepers are just a slightly less extreme version who tolerate their version of government but don’t recognize federal authority if they don’t agree with it.

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Dr. Matt  Sep 10, 2015 • 11:24:50am

re: #313 Charles Johnson

Well, I’m not going to celebrate yet until it’s in the wild for a little bit, but I think I finally debugged the Unicode problems.

I reloaded, but I’m still getting garbage characters on my end:

Letter confirming Darwin’s agnosticism hits auction block t.co pic.twitter.com

— NBC News (@NBCNews) September 10, 2015

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lawhawk  Sep 10, 2015 • 11:25:21am

re: #323 No Country For Old Haters

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Dr. Matt  Sep 10, 2015 • 11:25:55am

re: #328 Dr. Matt

I reloaded, but I’m still getting garbage characters on my end:

Whoa. Now it’s cleaned up after I copied and paste. WTH?!

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Sep 10, 2015 • 11:26:22am

Anyway I vote for summer to be over ASAP because I am so. done. with. this.

But I did my 33 minutes of torture like a good Lizard.

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Eventual Carrion  Sep 10, 2015 • 11:26:32am

re: #319 SteveMcGaziBolaGate

And my point is that there is plenty of precedence for violence in family disputes. The Oaf Keepers never said they would take the judge out. Show me where they did. Show me the history of Oaf keeper violence. Law. it’s complicated.

Done

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aagcobb  Sep 10, 2015 • 11:26:52am

re: #323 No Country For Old Haters

If they do manage to kill the ACA, we’ll likely have the public support for single payer when so many people lose their health insurance. The wingnuts will get exactly the opposite of what they want. You can’t stop progress.

I wish that were true, but unfortunately you can stop progress. We have to fight the power constantly in order to keep progress moving forward.

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The Vicious Babushka  Sep 10, 2015 • 11:26:57am

I can’t wait to not watch this.

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No Country For Old Haters  Sep 10, 2015 • 11:27:57am

re: #333 aagcobb

I wish that were true, but unfortunately you can stop progress. We have to fight the power constantly in order to keep progress moving forward.

They can try, but Conservatives always wind up on the wrong side of history.

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Charles Johnson  Sep 10, 2015 • 11:28:00am
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Aunty Entity Dragon  Sep 10, 2015 • 11:28:11am

re: #329 lawhawk

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Do not read the comments at Turley’s place. Freakshow.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 10, 2015 • 11:28:15am

re: #334 The Vicious Babushka

I can’t wait to not watch this.

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Glad to see DeNiro taking on roles like this. Pacino’s done a couple HBO movies like the Kevorkian and Phil Spector ones that I really enjoyed.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Sep 10, 2015 • 11:28:56am

re: #332 Eventual Carrion

Done

For what it’s worth, I’m sorry you had to go through that. And I’m especially sorry someone saw fit to dismiss that as okay because “family disputes have a history of getting violent” while arguing that the Oafkeepers should get a pass on their public intimidation because apparently intimidation is fine as long as you don’t actually ever back it up with violence.

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Charles Johnson  Sep 10, 2015 • 11:29:11am

re: #330 Dr. Matt

Whoa. Now it’s cleaned up after I copied and paste. WTH?!

Stuff that was posted before I made the changes will still show the munged characters.

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No Country For Old Haters  Sep 10, 2015 • 11:29:15am

re: #331 klys (maker of Silmarils)

Anyway I vote for summer to be over ASAP because I am so. done. with. this.

But I did my 33 minutes of torture like a good Lizard.

High in the 60s in Aurora IL tomorrow for my company BBQ, so it looks like Summer’s done. I’ve had enough of heat too.

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Bubblehead II  Sep 10, 2015 • 11:29:48am

re: #307 Backwoods_Sleuth

People get arrested EVERY SINGLE DAY in Kentucky for terroristic threatening.
Some are charged with that for threatening judges and lawyers in divorce cases and other civil lawsuit cases.
Some are charged with it when they threaten neighbors and police for perceived injustices.
My favorites are the ones who threaten law enforcement for DOING THEIR JOBS (like delivering summonses).
All of those people go directly to jail.

I’m just going to slip in here real fast and point out that these threats made by (and yes they ARE threats) Rhodes were made outside of Kentucky’s borders and are therefore not prosecutable under Kentucky law. Federal law perhaps. But the decision to arrest and prosecute would be up to the Federal/State D.A. in the State were the offense took place. Lawhawk can correct me on this if I am wrong.

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No Country For Old Haters  Sep 10, 2015 • 11:30:05am

re: #336 Charles Johnson

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Dr. Matt  Sep 10, 2015 • 11:30:06am

re: #336 Charles Johnson

noun / the*o*ry / ˈthē-ə-rē, ˈthir-ē /
: an idea or set of ideas that is intended to explain facts or events

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HappyWarrior  Sep 10, 2015 • 11:30:08am

re: #336 Charles Johnson

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And this idiot again shows why creationists don’t understand what a scientific theory is. It’s not the same as I have a theory that BWS stole the last piece of pie that VB made before I could get it. It’s more like, I have been researching for over a century along with other people who have had their pie stolen and the evidence leads me to believe that BWS stole the pie. Newton’s laws aren’t laws in our law books. Goddamn people are fuckin’ stupid.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Sep 10, 2015 • 11:30:15am

re: #341 No Country For Old Haters

High in the 60s in Aurora IL tomorrow for my company BBQ, so it looks like Summer’s done. I’ve had enough of heat too.

Today’s high is supposed to be 102.

Tomorrow I will probably have 48 minutes of torture so I am hoping it will a) be cooler and b) I can get out there earlier.

Stupid bike.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 10, 2015 • 11:30:58am

re: #346 klys (maker of Silmarils)

Today’s high is supposed to be 102.

Tomorrow I will probably have 48 minutes of torture so I am hoping it will a) be cooler and b) I can get out there earlier.

Stupid bike.

Oh man that is too damn high. I love the summer but I’d be hoping for it to be over too if I were in your situation.

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Dr. Matt  Sep 10, 2015 • 11:31:13am

re: #340 Charles Johnson

Stuff that was posted before I made the changes will still show the munged characters.

Gotcha. All the recent embedded tweets look pristine.

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SteveMcGaziBolaGate  Sep 10, 2015 • 11:31:26am

re: #315 Eventual Carrion

Read my story. Yes it fucking happened. And the threat wasn’t even to a judge or government authority doing their job.

I don’t mean your story. I mean did the judge get threatening phone calls from the Oak Keepers? Did a group that has demonstrated no violence threaten to intercede against a court ruling by not threatening violence? As much as we think they’re no help to anybody, they have NOT threatened to harm anybody. Just because they used the dreaded word “again”, it is a big stretch to say it is a guarantee of violence. I don’t have much respect for the OKs, but I do respect the law. If you arrested them, they would get a judge to release them almost immediately. I don’t think there is much doubt of that. And once you arrested them, you would give them an unbelievable amount of power.

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No Country For Old Haters  Sep 10, 2015 • 11:31:34am

re: #346 klys (maker of Silmarils)

Today’s high is supposed to be 102.

Glad I don’t live where you do then. I’m much too old for activity while it’s 102F.

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aagcobb  Sep 10, 2015 • 11:32:11am

re: #335 No Country For Old Haters

They can try, but Conservatives always wind up on the wrong side of history.

But sometimes that can take a very long time. Racial progress was stopped dead in its tracks for decades after Reconstruction ended.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 10, 2015 • 11:33:05am

re: #342 Bubblehead II

I’m just going to slip in here real fast and point out that these threats made by (and yes they ARE threats) Rhodes were made outside of Kentucky’s borders and are therefore not prosecutable under Kentucky law. Federal law perhaps. But the decision to arrest and prosecute would be up to the Federal/State D.A. in the State were the offense took place. Lawhawk can correct me on this if I am wrong.

I’m sure Rhodes and company will take care of that pesky detail when meeting up with the first news reporters here.

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No Country For Old Haters  Sep 10, 2015 • 11:34:17am

re: #351 aagcobb

But sometimes that can take a very long time. Racial progress was stopped dead in its tracks for decades after Reconstruction ended.

Yep, you can slow progress, and if you manage to destroy civilization, you can reverse it for a while until sane people rebuild. That’s the only way Conservatives can win. They have much better odds of success in Russia than they do here.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Sep 10, 2015 • 11:34:43am

re: #343 No Country For Old Haters

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makeitstop  Sep 10, 2015 • 11:35:00am

re: #331 klys (maker of Silmarils)

But I did my 33 minutes of torture like a good Lizard.

Not 34? Slacker!

(j/k)

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teleskiguy  Sep 10, 2015 • 11:35:07am

It’s been said already, bears repeating. What if these OathKeepers were non-white? This would be an entirely different discussion.

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Kragar  Sep 10, 2015 • 11:35:22am

re: #336 Charles Johnson

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Romantic Heretic  Sep 10, 2015 • 11:36:49am

re: #152 A Mom Anon

It wouldn’t be the first time that the US was subjected to a domestic terrorist campaign, which the terrorists won.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 10, 2015 • 11:37:07am

At least he sees that evolution means we’re cousins with apes not the stupid MONKEYS ARE STILL AROUND, EXPLAIN THAT MR. SCIENTIST! I know, small victory if any victory lol but it just amazes me how we have all this education about science in schools and people still use scientific theory in the way they sue the word about having a theory about who stole the cookie from the cookie jar.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 10, 2015 • 11:37:12am

More on that escaped monkey story from Tuesday:
Captured monkey has tattoo indicating it was used in research before found in Bath County, expert says

A monkey that was captured in Bath County likely came from a research facility, a primate expert said Thursday.

The 10-year-old male Rhesus macaque had a tattoo of a code on its chest, said April Truitt, founder and executive director of the Primate Rescue Center in Jessamine County where the monkey was taken.

The monkey had been spotted near Owingsville in Bath County and dodged animal control, sheriff’s deputies and other law enforcement throughout the day Wednesday before being tranquilized and caught.

Those kinds of tattoos are only used by biomedical research facilities, Truitt said.

The rescue center is taking extra precautions with the macaque, because research subjects can have medical conditions or illnesses that can spread to humans, Truitt said.

Even if the monkey has no research-generated illnesses, macaques often have a virus called herpesvirus B, which can be transmitted to humans, Truitt said.

It’s just like the movie Outbreak…
:D

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No Country For Old Haters  Sep 10, 2015 • 11:37:14am

re: #356 teleskiguy

It’s been said already, bears repeating. What if these OathKeepers were non-white? This would be an entirely different discussion.

Or even non-Christian whites. Imagine a Muslim or Jewish group doing this.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Sep 10, 2015 • 11:37:23am

re: #355 makeitstop

Not 34? Slacker!

(j/k)

To be fair, the period ended after 32 minutes and change. But I have to make it even, so I stretched it to 33.

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Charles Johnson  Sep 10, 2015 • 11:38:23am
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SteveMcGaziBolaGate  Sep 10, 2015 • 11:38:26am

re: #321 ObserverArt

I was reading through this thread and thought I’d jump in…which may be futile considering.

You can be arrested for harassment, intimidation and threats…and there doe not have to be violence involved.

I guess the best way to say it is the police can arrest someone as a way of protecting others.

It is known that Oath Keepers relies on intimidation, that is why they carry guns, dress the way they do and act as they do. What they have done in Kentuucky is also harassment and threatening. So, trifecta.

Maybe Steve, who I sometimes thinks just likes to be the contrarian, would like to read this site (see link at bottom) to see the police can easily arrest Oath Keepers if they keep this crap going and the police feel it has gotten to the point the judge and others need to be protected. Maybe the first thing that would happen is a protection order saying Oath Keepers need to be 200 yards away from all officials involved in this case. Once they break that…time to arrest.

But even without the protection order, the police certainly could step in and arrest just by calling it “keeping the peace” and moving Oath Keepers away before any violence does occur.

Plea.org - Harassment, Intimidation & Threats

And from the site…this paragraph may make Steve think differently.

Steve, are you a reasonable person?

I agree with you. That is the point I’ve been making. The other people around here want them arrested right now, even though Kim Davis has not yet refused to do her job again, even though the judge has not yet had to review her actions, basically just because they’re Oaf Keepers. If they show up and interfere, I’m all for arresting them. My argument is they have not crossed the line that requires pre-emptive, Dick Cheney like action.

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makeitstop  Sep 10, 2015 • 11:38:30am

re: #362 klys (maker of Silmarils)

To be fair, the period ended after 32 minutes and change. But I have to make it even, so I stretched it to 33.

Rounding up is an acceptable practice under these circumstances. :)

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wrenchwench  Sep 10, 2015 • 11:38:42am

Our weather has been wonderful since early July. It rains regularly, the clouds are spectacular, sunrises and sunsets are colorful, temps are 80s or 90s in the day and 60s at night. We’re just lacking an economy. Our largest employer is laying off a couple thousand people from the best paying jobs around. When we get good doctors and law enforcement folks, we train ‘em up good, then they move to a bigger city where they can get paid what they’re worth. We’re still ahead of Mississippi on most economic comparisons, though, so that’s something. Or not.

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Aunty Entity Dragon  Sep 10, 2015 • 11:38:43am
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lawhawk  Sep 10, 2015 • 11:38:59am

re: #342 Bubblehead II

That they were made outside KY means that federal prosecutors in KY or state where the threats were made could bring the charges as an interstate communication; if they entered KY, the state prosecutors could go after them on the state charges as well. That’s why I referred to both the state and federal law.

A few years back, a NJ talk show host, Hal Turner, made threats against federal court judges in Illinois. The FBI picked him up in NJ and he was charges and ultimately convicted on making the threats. He served 3 years in prison for that.

He was also charged in CT separately of inciting threats against individuals there - he was eventually found not guilty on those charges.

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Aunty Entity Dragon  Sep 10, 2015 • 11:39:19am
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HappyWarrior  Sep 10, 2015 • 11:40:50am

re: #349 SteveMcGaziBolaGate

I don’t mean your story. I mean did the judge get threatening phone calls from the Oak Keepers? Did a group that has demonstrated no violence threaten to intercede against a court ruling by not threatening violence? As much as we think they’re no help to anybody, they have NOT threatened to harm anybody. Just because they used the dreaded word “again”, it is a big stretch to say it is a guarantee of violence. I don’t have much respect for the OKs, but I do respect the law. If you arrested them, they would get a judge to release them almost immediately. I don’t think there is much doubt of that. And once you arrested them, you would give them an unbelievable amount of power.

I’m trying to give you the bod but when does a threat become a threat to you? I think the word again and the fact that they will be armed definitely can be seen as a threat when you look at the Kentucky statue. I don’t think you are an OK defender but I do think this qualifies as a threat according to the Kentucky statute. Again, if I threaten to not let something happen again, I am threatening someone. It may not be as direct as the OKs saying “If they arrest her again, we will shoot Judge Bunning to prevent her from being arrested again.” but as I asked, how is it not a threat according to the Kentucky statute? It’s clear as hell to me that they’re trying to intimidate Judge Bunning into not ordering her arrest if she violates the law so I really don’t think I was out of bounds to say the assholes should be arrested.

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Jenner7  Sep 10, 2015 • 11:40:59am
Click to Reveal

It takes 6 people over 15 minutes to restrain a 120 pound woman with mental issues. We have to do better than this, America.

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b.d.  Sep 10, 2015 • 11:41:41am

Better late to this thread than never:

Ahh, memories…

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No Country For Old Haters  Sep 10, 2015 • 11:41:42am

re: #367 Aunty Entity Dragon

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The Vicious Babushka  Sep 10, 2015 • 11:41:47am

re: #371 Jenner7

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It takes 6 people over 15 minutes to restrain a 120 woman with mental issues. We have to do better than this, America.

Please put that in spoiler tags.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 10, 2015 • 11:41:56am

re: #367 Aunty Entity Dragon

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Germany is a Shariah complaint country? That’s news to all the beer gardens.

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teleskiguy  Sep 10, 2015 • 11:41:57am
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Bubblehead II  Sep 10, 2015 • 11:42:51am

re: #352 Backwoods_Sleuth

I’m sure Rhodes and company will take care of that pesky detail when meeting up with the first news reporters here.

Yep, and then they will get their collective dumb asses thrown into jail. That said, while I have a lot of respect for our current Administration I have been very disappointed in it’s handling of these militia groups. By letting the Bundy ranch fiasco go unchallenged they are setting the next administration up for another Waco or Ruby Ridge incident. They need to nip this crap in the bud and do it now. Just my 2 cents.

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Dr Lizardo  Sep 10, 2015 • 11:43:02am

re: #375 HappyWarrior

Germany is a Shariah complaint country? That’s news to all the beer gardens.

Yep. And all those stores that sell sausage and pork schnitzel.

*headdesk*

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SteveMcGaziBolaGate  Sep 10, 2015 • 11:43:19am

I hate to run, but the fact is my computer (browser, or something) has been working like crap all day. For some reason it takes forever to scroll up and down and just typing an entry is difficult. I started typing this one immediately after posting the last one, so we can see how bad my whatever is running today. Anyway, I strongly disagree with the idea of arresting these people on the basis of the statements I’ve seen so far. See you guys later.

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No Country For Old Haters  Sep 10, 2015 • 11:43:24am

re: #376 teleskiguy

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For a moment I didn’t realize that was a parody account.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 10, 2015 • 11:43:54am

re: #378 Dr Lizardo

Yep. And all those stores that sell sausage and pork schnitzel.

*headdesk*

I think that is what amuses me about those who say Obama wants Shariah law. The man is a beer snob who by his own admission has a weakness for pork sandwiches. Shariah law lol.

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Charles Johnson  Sep 10, 2015 • 11:45:04am

Whoa now. This is Donald Trump’s top adviser.

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No Country For Old Haters  Sep 10, 2015 • 11:45:42am

re: #381 HappyWarrior

I think that is what amuses me about those who say Obama wants Shariah law. The man is a beer snob who by his own admission has a weakness for pork sandwiches. Shariah law lol.

It’s part of the fantasy that Obama is a muslim. The RWNJ conspiracy theories go pretty deep. Even my brother, who’s mostly a smart guy, went nuts with the propagandized Conservative subculture. They live every day in a media-created alternate reality.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 10, 2015 • 11:45:52am

re: #382 Charles Johnson

Whoa now. This is Donald Trump’s top adviser.

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I thought they broke up. Stone is the guy with the Nixon tattoo on his ass right?

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teleskiguy  Sep 10, 2015 • 11:46:03am

re: #380 No Country For Old Haters

For a moment I didn’t realize that was a parody account.

Havana Ted! He’s my favorite political parody.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 10, 2015 • 11:46:41am

re: #383 No Country For Old Haters

It’s part of the fantasy that Obama is a muslim. The RWNJ conspiracy theories go pretty deep. Even my brother, who’s mostly a smart guy, went nuts with the propagandized Conservative subculture. They live every day in a media-created alternate reality.

It’s just so insane how these people believe Obama wants Shariah Law but also hate him for being the most pro gay rights POTUS ever by a longshot.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 10, 2015 • 11:47:07am
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lawhawk  Sep 10, 2015 • 11:47:11am

re: #382 Charles Johnson

Was? Didn’t he quit/get fired by Trump about a month ago?

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b.d.  Sep 10, 2015 • 11:47:22am

re: #382 Charles Johnson

Whoa now. This is Donald Trump’s top adviser.

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EX

politico.com

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HappyWarrior  Sep 10, 2015 • 11:47:31am

re: #387 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Shocked there but good for her.

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No Country For Old Haters  Sep 10, 2015 • 11:47:41am

re: #386 HappyWarrior

It’s just so insane how these people believe Obama wants Shariah Law but also hate him for being the most pro gay rights POTUS ever by a longshot.

It’s about incoherent rage, not rational thought. Of course everyone here already knows that.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 10, 2015 • 11:48:18am

re: #391 No Country For Old Haters

It’s about incoherent rage, not rational thought. Of course everyone here already knows that.

Oh I know but even when I get angry, I have a logic to my anger.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 10, 2015 • 11:48:24am

OK, this pic ought to be worth holding onto for future use:

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teleskiguy  Sep 10, 2015 • 11:48:39am

You know what would lighten things up? Bob and Chez. Just sayin’.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Sep 10, 2015 • 11:49:06am

re: #365 makeitstop

Rounding up is an acceptable practice under these circumstances. :)

I did it legit.

Those last 40 seconds or so always suck.

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Kragar  Sep 10, 2015 • 11:49:23am
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HappyWarrior  Sep 10, 2015 • 11:49:49am

re: #393 Backwoods_Sleuth

OK, this pic ought to be worth holding onto for future use:

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But it’s not Tuesday or Wednesday. I always hated Wednesdays the most when I was a student.

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Dr. Matt  Sep 10, 2015 • 11:50:24am

re: #371 Jenner7

It takes 6 people over 15 minutes to restrain a 120 pound woman with mental issues. We have to do better than this, America.

This is painful to watch.

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Tigger2  Sep 10, 2015 • 11:50:38am

re: #336 Charles Johnson

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No Country For Old Haters  Sep 10, 2015 • 11:50:46am

re: #392 HappyWarrior

Oh I know but even when I get angry, I have a logic to my anger.

You’d make a terrible wingnut, but don’t give up hope. You might still lose your mind and become reactionary when you’re elderly. The young wingnuts have no excuse.

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Aunty Entity Dragon  Sep 10, 2015 • 11:50:53am

re: #382 Charles Johnson

Whoa now. This is Donald Trump’s top adviser.

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Holy shit…that was some serious Michael Moore stuff going on there.

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Jack Burton  Sep 10, 2015 • 11:50:55am

re: #386 HappyWarrior

It’s just so insane how these people believe Obama wants Shariah Law but also hate him for being the most pro gay rights POTUS ever by a longshot.

Remember that these are the same people who think it’s possible to be a Muslim and an Atheist at the same time. These are the same people that always scream about big government, government overreach, and over-regulation but then want to micromanage women’s health issues from Congress.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 10, 2015 • 11:50:56am

re: #396 Kragar

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Then by that standard, Rush is a leftist too since he calls liberal women ugly and dogs all the time. Trump really shouldn’t be talking about anyone’s looks though.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 10, 2015 • 11:51:23am

re: #400 No Country For Old Haters

You’d make a terrible wingnut, but don’t give up hope. You might still lose your mind and become reactionary when you’re elderly. The young wingnuts have no excuse.

Nah even the older people in my family don’t become wingnuts thankfully.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 10, 2015 • 11:51:41am

re: #402 Jack Burton

Remember that these are the same people who think it’s possible to be a Muslim and and Atheist at the same time. These are the same people that always scream about big government, government overreach and over-regulation but then want to micromanage women’s health issues from Congress.

Yeah again I think too logically sometimes.

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Charles Johnson  Sep 10, 2015 • 11:51:46am

re: #388 lawhawk

Was? Didn’t he quit/get fired by Trump about a month ago?

He’s been fired by Trump before. It’s kabuki.

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No Country For Old Haters  Sep 10, 2015 • 11:51:59am

re: #399 Tigger2

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wrenchwench  Sep 10, 2015 • 11:52:03am

re: #382 Charles Johnson

Whoa now. This is Donald Trump’s top adviser.

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That’s what I’d expect from Rand Paul’s staff.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 10, 2015 • 11:52:10am

re: #406 Charles Johnson

He’s been fired by Trump before. It’s kabuki.

Ah okay, didn’t know that. Not surprising.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 10, 2015 • 11:52:33am

Didn’t see if anyone answered earlier but is Bolton employed by any of these candidates?

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Bubblehead II  Sep 10, 2015 • 11:52:57am

re: #368 lawhawk

That they were made outside KY means that federal prosecutors in KY or state where the threats were made could bring the charges as an interstate communication; if they entered KY, the state prosecutors could go after them on the state charges as well. That’s why I referred to both the state and federal law.

A few years back, a NJ talk show host, Hal Turner, made threats against federal court judges in Illinois. The FBI picked him up in NJ and he was charges and ultimately convicted on making the threats. He served 3 years in prison for that.

He was also charged in CT separately of inciting threats against individuals there - he was eventually found not guilty on those charges.

Thank you for enlightening me and the rest of us. That’s why I love this place. Hang around long enough and you get to learn a lot of different things.

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Patricia Kayden  Sep 10, 2015 • 11:53:02am

re: #69 Eclectic Cyborg

Serious question: Are there any black or latino Oathkeepers?

I recall that there was a Black “Patriot” at the Bundy ranch so I’d say yes. Don’t know for sure though.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 10, 2015 • 11:54:08am

re: #407 No Country For Old Haters

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The Bible would be if you or I wrote a book about what happened 200 years ago and passed it off as if we were there. Some of the events in the Bible may well did happen but can easily be explained as natural phenomenon. In fact, I think I saw a list on listverse or mental floss that listed several such events.

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teleskiguy  Sep 10, 2015 • 11:54:23am

re: #371 Jenner7

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Sep 10, 2015 • 11:54:27am

re: #406 Charles Johnson

He’s been fired by Trump before. It’s kabuki.

He’s Trump’s Billy Martin?

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Dr Lizardo  Sep 10, 2015 • 11:55:01am

re: #407 No Country For Old Haters

If someone is going to base their worldview on fiction, they’d do better with Stranger in a Strange land

Dune. Or is that too Muslim-y?

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HappyWarrior  Sep 10, 2015 • 11:55:03am

re: #415 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

He’s Trump’s Billy Martin?

Heh come to think of it, Donald does remind me of George.

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Aunty Entity Dragon  Sep 10, 2015 • 11:55:32am

re: #371 Jenner7

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It takes 6 people over 15 minutes to restrain a 120 pound woman with mental issues. We have to do better than this, America.

I can’t watch it. Not now.

More “fun” with African Americans and mental health issues meeting the police…petition from caregivers at the hospital where he was shot in the chest while seeking help:
“We stand, now, with shaken hearts and rooted conviction, to speak our collective outrage for Alan Christopher Pean, a 26 year old who was inexcusably shot in the chest by a police officer, while seeking care as a patient at St Joseph’s Medical Center.

Personally, we know Alan as a brother, a friend, a son, a supporter, a man marked by tender kindness, quiet acts of sacrifice, humor, self-reflection, and patience.

Personally, we stand in outrage for every time he is referred to as “combative” without sub-clause or context, we stand in outrage for every time he is called a “suspect” instead of a patient, we stand in outrage for every time he, one empty-handed, help-seeking man, is painted as a threat to two officers, able bodied and armed, in a hospital.

Professionally, we have been trained in truth seeking and healing. As doctors and medical students, as nurses and care partners, we are trained in how to safely restrain and tranquilize patients, no matter how aggressive, or irritable, or anxious, or threatening they may be. Never is it appropriate or warranted for a patient to be tazed, never is it appropriate for a patient to be struck, never, never, never is it appropriate for a patient seeking care, to have their life threatened in our arms.

Personally and professionally, we are shaken by the reality of this epidemic of police brutality, in which no one— no son of a doctor, no college student, no tender-hearted soul of color remains immune. We stand with shaken hearts and rooted conviction, to speak our collective outrage for Alan Christopher Pean, our gentle friend, a 26 year old who was inexcusably shot in the chest by a police officer, while seeking care as a patient.”

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wrenchwench  Sep 10, 2015 • 11:55:39am

re: #406 Charles Johnson

He’s been fired by Trump before. It’s kabuki.

Noh!

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No Country For Old Haters  Sep 10, 2015 • 11:55:40am

re: #413 HappyWarrior

Some of the events in the Bible may well did happen but can easily be explained as natural phenomenon

Sure. Bangor Maine is real, but Stephen King still writes fiction.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 10, 2015 • 11:56:42am

re: #420 No Country For Old Haters

Sure. Bangor Maine is real, but Stephen King still writes fiction.

Heh yeah. I mean there may very well have been a guy like Jesus but he didn’t raise from the dead or have a virgin mother.

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Jack Burton  Sep 10, 2015 • 11:56:57am

re: #416 Dr Lizardo

Dune. Or is that too Muslim-y?

Way too muslim-y.

Arrakis. Ar Raqis. الراقص‎

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Skip Intro  Sep 10, 2015 • 11:57:01am

Bobby Jindal gets one right for a change, not that it’s going to matter.

Bobby Jindal Calls Trump An Unstable Narcissist

Jindal called Trump “unstable,” “a narcissist,” “unserious,” and “a carnival act” during remarks at the National Press Club in Washington, D.C., on Thursday.

“I want to say what everyone is thinking about Donald Trump but is afraid to say,” Jindal said before ripping into Trump.

“He is shallow, there is no substance. He doesn’t know anything about policy, he has no idea what he is talking about. He makes it up on the fly,” Jindal said.

Bye bye, Bobby.

nbcnews.com

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makeitstop  Sep 10, 2015 • 11:57:04am

re: #415 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

He’s Trump’s Billy Martin?

Damn, that’s an apt comparison if ever there was one!

Trump really is a knock-off of Steinbrenner. Larger-than-life persona, buckets of money, believed his own hype after a while.

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Dr Lizardo  Sep 10, 2015 • 11:57:07am

re: #413 HappyWarrior

The Bible would be if you or I wrote a book about what happened 200 years ago and passed it off as if we were there. Some of the events in the Bible may well did happen but can easily be explained as natural phenomenon. In fact, I think I saw a list on listverse or mental floss that listed several such events.

I think this is what you’re referring to.

listverse.com

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HappyWarrior  Sep 10, 2015 • 11:57:10am

Using a religious text to dictate your life is stupid anyhow.

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Patricia Kayden  Sep 10, 2015 • 11:57:58am

re: #281 SteveMcGaziBolaGate

There is no chance that they will be arrested based on any of their statements, although they’ve now thrust themselves into the spotlight and I’m sure the Feds are watching them carefully.

There is a good chance that they will be arrested if they seek to interfere with same sex couples getting marriage licenses in Rowan County or with compliance with the Judge’s order that Ms. Davis not interfere with clerks in her office issuing such licenses.

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Timothy Watson  Sep 10, 2015 • 11:58:15am

re: #415 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

He’s Trump’s Billy Martin?

Seinfeld: George Steinbrenner’s “Billy Martin” Rant

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No Country For Old Haters  Sep 10, 2015 • 11:58:24am

re: #421 HappyWarrior

Heh yeah. I mean there may very well have been a guy like Jesus but he didn’t raise from the dead or have a virgin mother.

Or many guys merged into one in people’s imagination.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 10, 2015 • 11:59:29am

re: #425 Dr Lizardo

I think this is what you’re referring to.

listverse.com

Yep, knew it was one of those two. I read those two and cracked everyday during breakfast. MF has some thought provoking things too. Read one about why our accents differ from the Brits. I am a mini linguistics nerd. I told my Dad to listen to how his Irish friend responds to a yes or no question.

Click to Reveal

The Irish won’t respond with yes or no, it’s usually yes or no with an explanation since there is no word in the Irish language for no. Even though the Irish have spoken English for generations now, they still have this habit.

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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Sep 10, 2015 • 11:59:51am

re: #423 Skip Intro

Bobby Jindal gets one right for a change, not that it’s going to matter.

Bobby Jindal Calls Trump An Unstable Narcissist

Bye bye, Bobby.

nbcnews.com

The Trump Laughs At Your Puny ‘Criticisms’ As He Dines On Them And They Make Him Stronger!

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HappyWarrior  Sep 10, 2015 • 12:00:01pm

re: #429 No Country For Old Haters

Or many guys merged into one in people’s imagination.

Yeah composite characters happen in fiction all the time.

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SteveMcGaziBolaGate  Sep 10, 2015 • 12:00:08pm

Don’t underestimate the rage an mentally ill person can experience. No excuse for poor training (or attitude), but you’d be shocked what a small person could do to you if you’re not careful.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Sep 10, 2015 • 12:00:57pm

re: #424 makeitstop

Damn, that’s an apt comparison if ever there was one!

Trump really is a knock-off of Steinbrenner. Larger-than-life persona, buckets of money, believed his own hype after a while.

“What the Hell did you trade Jay Buhner for?”

Seinfeld: Jay Buhner

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mroop  Sep 10, 2015 • 12:01:00pm

re: #293 Eventual Carrion
So saying that they have done nothing is bullshit, they are making threats. The same shit I spent 3 days in jail for.

You spent three days in jail after being arrested, but the charges were dismissed because the judge found no cause of action against you. The police can and do arrest you anytime they feel like it, that doesn’t mean you broke the law.

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Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Sep 10, 2015 • 12:01:52pm
Oath Keepers Militia Says They’ll Prevent US Marshals From Arresting Kim Davis Again

I thought we were always supposed to do whatever the police said. Pretty sure the marshals are police. What happened to that rule?

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No Country For Old Haters  Sep 10, 2015 • 12:01:56pm

re: #430 HappyWarrior

Yep, knew it was one of those two. I read those two and cracked everyday during breakfast. MF has some thought provoking things too. Read one about why our accents differ from the Brits. I am a mini linguistics nerd. I told my Dad to listen to how his Irish friend responds to a yes or no question.

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That’s really interesting. I did not know that.

If you want to see a Brit do a terrible American accent, check out Anthony Head in the Syfy series Dominion. I like Anthony Head a lot, but they should not have cast him as an American. I’m watching just for the hilariously bad accent.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 10, 2015 • 12:02:57pm

re: #434 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

“What the Hell did you trade Jay Buhner for?”

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I am not a Mariners fan but Buhner buzz cut night was one of the coolest promotions I can remember a team offering. They gave free admission if you shaved your head and Frank was right, he had a rocket for an arm and had a lot of power. Wonder what he’s doing nowadays. He won’t go in the HoF but he was one of those guys that you remember as a fan of the game.

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Dr Lizardo  Sep 10, 2015 • 12:03:17pm

re: #422 Jack Burton

Way too muslim-y.

Arrakis. Ar Raqis. الراقص‎

Dune is filled to the rafters with Islamic themes. I have little doubt that if Dune were published today, the usual suspects would be screaming about CREEPING SHARIA!!

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Jack Burton  Sep 10, 2015 • 12:03:35pm

re: #436 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse

I thought we were always supposed to do whatever the police said. Pretty sure the marshals are police. What happened to that rule?

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That’s only for brown people, not brown-shirts.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 10, 2015 • 12:04:02pm

re: #437 No Country For Old Haters

That’s really interesting. I did not know that.

If you want to see a Brit do a terrible American accent, check out Anthony Head in the Syfy series Dominion. I like Anthony Head a lot, but they should not have cast him as an American. I’m watching just for the hilariously bad accent.

I’ll look for youtube clips. I am used to Brits usually doing our accent pretty well. Our actors meanwhile struggle with British and other non-American accents. I am not quite sure why that is.

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No Country For Old Haters  Sep 10, 2015 • 12:04:03pm

re: #433 SteveMcGaziBolaGate

Don’t underestimate the rage an mentally ill person can experience. No excuse for poor training (or attitude), but you’d be shocked what a small person could do to you if you’re not careful.

Police are supposed to be careful, and to know how to safely restrain a violent person. Lately they clearly do not. I can easily and harmlessly restrain violent people who are under 200lbs. I’ve unfortunately had to do so. I’d expect the police to do at least as well.

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Dr. Matt  Sep 10, 2015 • 12:04:29pm

re: #433 SteveMcGaziBolaGate

So, basically you’re just a contrarian. Gotcha

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Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Sep 10, 2015 • 12:04:55pm

re: #382 Charles Johnson

didn’t he quit? But yeah, dude’s a bit out there. Think he’s the guy who wrote a book claiming LBJ had JFK assassinated.

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Aunty Entity Dragon  Sep 10, 2015 • 12:05:10pm

re: #432 HappyWarrior

Hospitals manage to restrain mentally ill patients quite often without shooting them.

Funny how gunfire or torture/death by electronic device seems to be the default position for cops who are not obeyed immediately.

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No Country For Old Haters  Sep 10, 2015 • 12:05:20pm

re: #443 Dr. Matt

So, basically you’re just a contrarian. Gotcha

No he’s not. ;>

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Jack Burton  Sep 10, 2015 • 12:05:50pm

re: #439 Dr Lizardo

Dune is filled to the rafters with Islamic themes. I have little doubt that if Dune were published today, the usual suspects would be screaming about CREEPING SHARIA!!.

It be nice if we could get a film that was as close to the book as the mini-series was, but had the special effects and costuming of the Lynch flick.

Oh and didn’t have a bunch of very white people playing a group supposedly descended from Arabs.

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No Country For Old Haters  Sep 10, 2015 • 12:06:19pm

re: #445 Aunty Entity Dragon

Hospitals manage to restrain mentally ill patients quite often without shooting them.

Funny how gunfire or torture/death by electronic device seems to be the default position for cops who are not obeyed immediately.

Until they recently allowed police to shoot a mentally ill person in an ER. It seems like Americans are losing their minds.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Sep 10, 2015 • 12:06:23pm

re: #381 HappyWarrior

TAQIYYA!!!!!!

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 10, 2015 • 12:06:32pm

Just visited the OK website. It’s stunning how their version of upholding the law only extends to the laws they agree with.
There’s one person in the second page of the comments who actually knows what he’s talking about, the rest are all foaming about how KD was deprived of a jury trial (!)…

donotlink.com

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ObserverArt  Sep 10, 2015 • 12:07:32pm

re: #382 Charles Johnson

Whoa now. This is Donald Trump’s top adviser.

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Didn’t he quit Trump’s campaign?

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Dr Lizardo  Sep 10, 2015 • 12:07:52pm

re: #447 Jack Burton

It be nice if we could get a film that was as close to the book as the mini-series was, but had the special effects and costuming of the Lynch flick.

Oh and didn’t have a bunch of very white people playing a group supposedly descended from Arabs.

There is a fanedit of Lynch’s film called Dune: Alternative Edit Redux that’s actually quite good, and adheres a bit more to the original novel, especially the ending. It’s floating around there in the intertubes.

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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Sep 10, 2015 • 12:08:22pm

here i had been studying freepers for years when it turns out that the fox news comments are an even deeper well of undiluted stupid and racist

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teleskiguy  Sep 10, 2015 • 12:08:56pm
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HappyWarrior  Sep 10, 2015 • 12:09:14pm

re: #445 Aunty Entity Dragon

Hospitals manage to restrain mentally ill patients quite often without shooting them.

Funny how gunfire or torture/death by electronic device seems to be the default position for cops who are not obeyed immediately.

I think you meant that for Steve not me. But yeah you’d be 100% right.

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SteveMcGaziBolaGate  Sep 10, 2015 • 12:09:19pm

re: #443 Dr. Matt

So, basically you’re just a contrarian. Gotcha

Personal experience, asshole.

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No Country For Old Haters  Sep 10, 2015 • 12:09:55pm

re: #452 Dr Lizardo

There is a fanedit of Lynch’s film called Dune: Alternative Edit Redux that’s actually quite good, and adheres a bit more to the original novel, especially the ending. It’s floating around there in the intertubes.

I’ll check that out this weekend. Thanks for mentioning this fan edit! The Prometheus fan edit was still flawed, but was a big improvement on the theatrical release. I should watch more fan edits.

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Dr Lizardo  Sep 10, 2015 • 12:09:57pm

re: #453 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸

here i had been studying freepers for years when it turns out that the fox news comments are an even deeper well of undiluted stupid and racist

Some of the FNC comments make Freepers look sane and reasonable in comparison.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Sep 10, 2015 • 12:10:09pm

re: #452 Dr Lizardo

There is a fanedit of Lynch’s film called Dune: Alternative Edit Redux that’s actually quite good, and adheres a bit more to the original novel, especially the ending. It’s floating around there in the intertubes.

Nothing will redeem casting Kyle Maclachlan in that part—or any part, really.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 10, 2015 • 12:10:52pm

re: #450 Backwoods_Sleuth

Just visited the OK website. It’s stunning how their version of upholding the law only extends to the laws they agree with.
There’s one person in the second page of the comments who actually knows what he’s talking about, the rest are all foaming about how KD was deprived of a jury trial (!)…

donotlink.com

You don’t get a jury trial when you are in contempt of court. Huckabee was crying about KD not getting bail and saying that even Dahmer and Gacy got bail. Unfortunately, that’s the kind of baseless argument that people ignorant of the law will fall or.

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Jack Burton  Sep 10, 2015 • 12:11:33pm

re: #452 Dr Lizardo

There is a fanedit of Lynch’s film called Dune: Alternative Edit Redux that’s actually quite good, and adheres a bit more to the original novel, especially the ending. It’s floating around there in the intertubes.

I managed to download it before it got on the radar of those who fire off DMCA takedowns. I’ve watched it at least 10 times in the past 2 months. If you can get over the rough editing and the voice of the Guild Navigator changing mid sentence, it’s very good.

Too bad there’s no way to make the Weirding Way what it actually was in the book by just edits. Or get rid of some of the way over-the-top grossness of the Harkonnens.

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Dr Lizardo  Sep 10, 2015 • 12:12:03pm

re: #459 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

Nothing will redeem casting Kyle Maclachlan in that part—or any part, really.

Heh. The one thing I’ll certainly say in the film’s defense was its production design. I loved it.

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No Country For Old Haters  Sep 10, 2015 • 12:12:41pm

re: #460 HappyWarrior

You don’t get a jury trial when you are in contempt of court. Huckabee was crying about KD not getting bail and saying that even Dahmer and Gacy got bail. Unfortunately, that’s the kind of baseless argument that people ignorant of the law will fall or.

This is evidence that Huckabee is fleecing the rubes, since it’s unlikely that he’s as ignorant as the character he portrays.

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No Country For Old Haters  Sep 10, 2015 • 12:13:44pm

re: #459 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

Nothing will redeem casting Kyle Maclachlan in that part—or any part, really.

I like his overwrought appearances in Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 10, 2015 • 12:14:45pm

re: #463 No Country For Old Haters

This is evidence that Huckabee is fleecing the rubes, since it’s unlikely that he’s as ignorant as the character he portrays.

Yeah I suspect as a governor, he probably definitely understands how the process works. By using that logical fallacy though, it’s easier to portray Kim Davis as a victim and Judge Bunning as a cruel tyrant or as that idiot Starnes has caled him “Bull Conner”, misspelling deliberate on my part since he spelled Connor wrong the first time he compared Bunning to him.

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Nyet  Sep 10, 2015 • 12:14:50pm

re: #210 CriticalDragon1177

I like McDonalds cheeseburgers. But this just looks awful.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 10, 2015 • 12:15:39pm

re: #466 Nyet

I like McDonalds cheeseburgers. But this just looks awful.

I’ve never been that big on their burgers. Do you have many Wendy’s in Russia? I always thought their burgers were probably the best out of the major fast food chains.

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Jenner7  Sep 10, 2015 • 12:16:56pm

One year ago today, Darrien Hunt was killed by police in Saratoga Springs, Utah.

BBL.

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teleskiguy  Sep 10, 2015 • 12:17:21pm

re: #210 CriticalDragon1177

I’m having a heart attack just looking at this thing!

re: #466 Nyet

I like McDonalds cheeseburgers. But this just looks awful.

The Steak & Egger Sandwich - Epic Meal Time w/ Arnold Schwarzenegger

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 10, 2015 • 12:17:24pm

even more drama:

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No Country For Old Haters  Sep 10, 2015 • 12:17:28pm

re: #466 Nyet

I like McDonalds cheeseburgers. But this just looks awful.

McDonald’s is at the bottom of the fast food places, other than their breakfasts. Even BK and Wendy’s are better. Try 5 Guys, Meatheads, or even Buona Beef if McDonald’s isn’t the best you can get where you are.

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Higgs Boson's Mate  Sep 10, 2015 • 12:17:33pm

re: #463 No Country For Old Haters

This is evidence that Huckabee is fleecing the rubes, since it’s unlikely that he’s as ignorant as the character he portrays.

Another Dusty Rhodes.

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Nyet  Sep 10, 2015 • 12:18:00pm

I, for one, welcome our owl overlords.

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No Country For Old Haters  Sep 10, 2015 • 12:18:11pm

re: #467 HappyWarrior

I’ve never been that big on their burgers. Do you have many Wendy’s in Russia? I always thought their burgers were probably the best out of the major fast food chains.

Wendy’s is the best out of the bad 3. There have been much better chains for years now.

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Nyet  Sep 10, 2015 • 12:18:26pm

re: #467 HappyWarrior

I’ve never been that big on their burgers. Do you have many Wendy’s in Russia? I always thought their burgers were probably the best out of the major fast food chains.

There was one Wendy’s in Moscow before I left, I visited it once. Meh.

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ObserverArt  Sep 10, 2015 • 12:18:45pm

I think Steve is stuck on there needing to be some violence before the police can arrest. What good are “peacekeepers” for if they are just going to hang out until someone gets beat on, shot, etc.

And since he is stuck on violence he is forgetting that you can be arrested for intimidation and harassment.

I can’t think of a better description of intimidation than what Oath Keepers are doing. And the fact they are doing it to a judge, how can it be anything other than intimidation.

We are talking about harassing and intimidating a judge.

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No Country For Old Haters  Sep 10, 2015 • 12:18:47pm

re: #473 Nyet

I, for one, welcome our owl overlords.

I really want a pet owl since all these owl posts. I do realize it’s not practical in an apartment.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 10, 2015 • 12:19:35pm

re: #470 Backwoods_Sleuth

even more drama:

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He should stick to comic books. (I realize that’s not THE Stan Lee). But uh where are these guys on that flight attendant that refused to serve beer? Shouldn’t she have her “deeply held religious beliefs” protected too? Or is that only for Christians opposed to things like gay marriage? I may not like guns but I would be wrong and in contempt if as an elected official if I refused to give out gun permits. The same is true for Kim and SSM.

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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Sep 10, 2015 • 12:19:37pm

re: #451 ObserverArt

Didn’t he quit Trump’s campaign?

when anybody leaves trump’s employ, they say they left voluntarily and trump says he fired them

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No Country For Old Haters  Sep 10, 2015 • 12:19:45pm

re: #475 Nyet

There was one Wendy’s in Moscow before I left, I visited it once. Meh.

I suppose we have no way of knowing if McDonald’s and Wendy’s in Russia are anything like in America.

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aagcobb  Sep 10, 2015 • 12:19:48pm

re: #470 Backwoods_Sleuth

even more drama:

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Its all about November, trying to get the base fired up. If its a low turnout election, Kim Davis could propel Matt Bevin into the Governor’s Mansion.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 10, 2015 • 12:20:26pm

re: #474 No Country For Old Haters

Wendy’s is the best out of the bad 3. There have been much better chains for years now.

I dunno. I always thought their burgers were better than say Hardees and the others. I don’t like fast food much anyhow. If I could avoid it, I would.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 10, 2015 • 12:21:06pm

re: #475 Nyet

There was one Wendy’s in Moscow before I left, I visited it once. Meh.

Damn. I always thought they had decent burgers but maybe one day you guys will get Five Guys.

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Nyet  Sep 10, 2015 • 12:21:39pm

re: #471 No Country For Old Haters

I actually mostly don’t eat fast food where I am. Sometimes on a trip, to save money etc. And McD is available everywhere, unlike even BK (which I can’t say I like all that much).

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HappyWarrior  Sep 10, 2015 • 12:21:43pm

re: #480 No Country For Old Haters

I suppose we have no way of knowing if McDonald’s and Wendy’s in Russia are anything like in America.

Yeah quite true. I’ve seen foreign menus of KFC and the other big chains. Totally different than here. I always make a point though when abroad not to go to any restaurant I could get at home.

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No Country For Old Haters  Sep 10, 2015 • 12:21:53pm

re: #482 HappyWarrior

I dunno. I always thought their burgers were better than say Hardees and the others. I don’t like fast food much anyhow. If I could avoid it, I would.

I have not had Hardees, so can’t comment on that. Wendy’s was the best when I was limited to McDonald’s, Burger King, or Wendy’s. It’s just that places like Meatheads and 5 Guys are in a whole different league.

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No Country For Old Haters  Sep 10, 2015 • 12:22:43pm

re: #484 Nyet

I actually mostly don’t eat fast food where I am. Sometimes on a trip, to save money etc. And McD is available everywhere, unlike even BK (which I can’t say I like all that much).

That’s really good. I’m off the fast food 95% of the time now too. It was not good for me.

488
Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Sep 10, 2015 • 12:22:59pm

re: #416 Dr Lizardo

Gor…

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#CampaignZero  Sep 10, 2015 • 12:23:02pm

Does anyone remember Krystal burgers? Same as white castle but east coast. Sliders. Before sliders w must pickle & onion. I loved them.

Hit n run post. Going g back to my duty. (Lunch brk)

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HappyWarrior  Sep 10, 2015 • 12:23:39pm

re: #486 No Country For Old Haters

I have not had Hardees, so can’t comment on that. Wendy’s was the best when I was limited to McDonald’s, Burger King, or Wendy’s. It’s just that places like Meatheads and 5 Guys are in a whole different league.

See, I don’t consider 5 Guys “fast food” or in the same sentence as I do McD’s or the other two. 5 Guys to me is in that neighborhood where it’s not McD’s but it’s not quite waitstaff and tip either. One of my absolute favorite places to eat though is a Pakistani place that operates at that pace. Really spicy but good prices.

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No Country For Old Haters  Sep 10, 2015 • 12:23:52pm

re: #486 No Country For Old Haters

I have not had Hardees, so can’t comment on that. Wendy’s was the best when I was limited to McDonald’s, Burger King, or Wendy’s. It’s just that places like Meatheads and 5 Guys are in a whole different league.

Now I really want a burger, but will have a turkey sandwich instead, because I’m done trying to kill myself with poor nutrition.

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Jack Burton  Sep 10, 2015 • 12:24:02pm

re: #482 HappyWarrior

I dunno. I always thought their burgers were better than say Hardees and the others. I don’t like fast food much anyhow. If I could avoid it, I would.

On the West Coast, Hardees is Carl’s Jr. and of the fast food places out here (except In-N-Out which is always the best), it tends to be either the best or the worst with no rhyme or reason and nothing in between.

My opinion of Wendy’s was always ‘better than average, but still meh’.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 10, 2015 • 12:25:02pm

re: #492 Jack Burton

On the West Coast, Hardees is Carl’s Jr. and of the fast food places out here (except In-N-Out which is always the best), it tends to be either the best or the worst with no rhyme or reason and nothing in between.

My opinion of Wendy’s was always ‘better than average, but still meh’.

We don’t get In and Out here out east. I finally did I&O though when I was in Nevada this summer. I liked it but I still would prefer 5 guys. It is good priced though. I think I got a burger, shake, and animal fries for under ten bucks.

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No Country For Old Haters  Sep 10, 2015 • 12:25:18pm

re: #490 HappyWarrior

See, I don’t consider 5 Guys “fast food” or in the same sentence as I do McD’s or the other two. 5 Guys to me is in that neighborhood where it’s not McD’s but it’s not quite waitstaff and tip either. One of my absolute favorite places to eat though is a Pakistani place that operates at that pace. Really spicy but good prices.

The 5 Guys by my office is just as fast as McDonald’s. A little pricier, but so worth it. You’re right not to categorize them with the icky fast food places.

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Dr Lizardo  Sep 10, 2015 • 12:25:48pm

re: #488 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance

Gor…

Heh. I’ve known ‘Goreans’ including a real-life kajira. Most unusual, at least to me, but I just chalked it up as a subset of BDSM.

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teleskiguy  Sep 10, 2015 • 12:26:06pm

Best burger I’ve ever had from a chain? In ‘N Out Burger. Superior to all others. Five Guys comes close, but In ‘N Out reigns supreme in my mind.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 10, 2015 • 12:26:32pm

re: #494 No Country For Old Haters

The 5 Guys by my office is just as fast as McDonald’s. A little pricier, but so worth it. You’re right not to categorize them with the icky fast food places.

Yeah I have them in the same borderland where Chipolte, Potbelly, Panera, etc reside. But yeah their burgers are much better than McD’s.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Sep 10, 2015 • 12:26:37pm

re: #491 No Country For Old Haters

Now I really want a burger, but will have a turkey sandwich instead, because I’m done trying to kill myself with poor nutrition.

Salad here.

Excellent fast food, open bag, pour in bowl, add a few toppings, and eat.

Which is good because the house inspector is running early.

499
GlutenFreeJesus  Sep 10, 2015 • 12:26:50pm

I’ve got a local place. Pita Inn. M-F they have a business lunch special. $5.99 for a ton of food. Rice. Salad. Chicken. Beef. Lamb. Kifta. And some pita bread. So damn good and way better than anything from McDonalds and the like.

pita-inn.com

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No Country For Old Haters  Sep 10, 2015 • 12:27:46pm

re: #496 teleskiguy

Best burger I’ve ever had from a chain? In ‘N Out Burger. Superior to all others. Five Guys comes close, but In ‘N Out reigns supreme in my mind.

I’ve only had that when visiting a friend who lived in Sacramento, since they’re not in my state. It was the best burger I had in California, but I greatly prefer corn-fed midwest beef, probably because that’s what I grew up on.

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Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Sep 10, 2015 • 12:28:14pm

re: #495 Dr Lizardo

Heh. I’ve known ‘Goreans’ including a real-life kajira. Most unusual, at least to me, but I just chalked it up as a subset of BDSM.

They took a poorly written series of books that were obviously written by a guy who could never get a date. To me they’re the kooky subset of BDSM lol.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 10, 2015 • 12:28:47pm

re: #499 GlutenFreeJesus

I’ve got a local place. Pita Inn. M-F they have a business lunch special. $5.99 for a ton of food. Rice. Salad. Chicken. Beef. Lamb. Kefka. And some pita bread. So damn good and way better than anything from McDonalds and the like.

pita-inn.com

I had a place like that when I worked in D.C. Roti. It was a bit of a hike to get there and I was working in the wintertime but man it was good and healthy too.

503
blueraven  Sep 10, 2015 • 12:29:51pm

re: #489 #CampaignZero

Does anyone remember Krystal burgers? Same as white castle but east coast. Sliders. Before sliders w must pickle & onion. I loved them.

Hit n run post. Going g back to my duty. (Lunch brk)

Oh yeah. Grew up on em. Still load up when I go back to Ga. The best!

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Dr Lizardo  Sep 10, 2015 • 12:30:16pm

re: #501 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance

They took a poorly written series of books that were obviously written by a guy who could never get a date. To me they’re the kooky subset of BDSM lol.

Yeah, I thought it was sort of kooky as well. I got around to reading Tarnsman of Gor and Outlaw of Gor and I wasn’t impressed. Mediocre at best.

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No Country For Old Haters  Sep 10, 2015 • 12:30:52pm

re: #498 klys (maker of Silmarils)

Salad here.

Excellent fast food, open bag, pour in bowl, add a few toppings, and eat.

Which is good because the house inspector is running early.

Nice. At home I’ve been eating a lot of raw spinach, carrots, and grape tomatoes. I did not realize until recently that I could feel satisfied without eating meat.

I’ve lost 5 lbs in a little over a week, and have 20 more to go before I’ll be at my ideal weight. I’m a big guy, so an extra 20 doesn’t show much on me, but I have less energy than I do when lighter.

506
teleskiguy  Sep 10, 2015 • 12:31:03pm

Besides skiing, the one thing I look forward to when I visit Salt Lake City is In ‘N Out Burger.

507
Kragar  Sep 10, 2015 • 12:31:31pm

re: #504 Dr Lizardo

Yeah, I thought it was sort of kooky as well. I got around to reading Tarnsman of Gor and Outlaw of Gor and I wasn’t impressed. Mediocre at best.

It did make a damn fine episode of MST3k though.

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Nyet  Sep 10, 2015 • 12:31:52pm

re: #487 No Country For Old Haters

There are some select places nearby where I will eat a great burger or two once per 2-3 months though, but they’re not chains :D

509
Eric The Fruit Bat  Sep 10, 2015 • 12:32:17pm

re: #125 SteveMcGaziBolaGate

Unless they have reciprocity with KY for their firearms and can cough up their licenses, and if they keep flapping their yaps, they may find themselves ‘constrained’.

510
Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Sep 10, 2015 • 12:32:33pm

re: #492 Jack Burton

I looked at the calorie count for most of the food at Carl’s Junior and saw the reason for the obesity crisis in the U.S. While I like their food on occasion it is really, really not good for you.

That being said I do occasionally indulge in a double-double animal style, fries well done and medium root beer from In And Out even though that isn’t necessarily good for me either lol.

I am almost at my weight goal (well I would say more like my leanness goal) so I am sitting here eating a big salad while salivating over the idea of a big juicy burger. I think I may have to hit sprouts and get some of their extra lean burgers and fire up the grill lol.

511
No Country For Old Haters  Sep 10, 2015 • 12:33:04pm

re: #508 Nyet

There are some select places nearby where I will eat a great burger or two once per 2-3 months though, but they’re not chains :D

My view is if I’m going to eat something that’s bad for me, it better taste really good. I was a fast-food carnivore for far too many years, and have probably shortened my life. I’m trying to make up for it now.

512
Dr Lizardo  Sep 10, 2015 • 12:34:33pm

re: #507 Kragar

It did make a damn fine episode of MST3k though.

Yes it did.

513
The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Sep 10, 2015 • 12:34:48pm

re: #480 No Country For Old Haters

I suppose we have no way of knowing if McDonald’s and Wendy’s in Russia are anything like in America.

I’ve always heard that McDonalds is much better pretty much anywhere other than the US. Only Americans would put up with the crap they serve us.

As for the others, I gave up on Wendy’s when they got rid of their salad bar. Burger King burgers aren’t very good, but the Original Chicken sandwich is pretty good—and the Chicken Parmigiana when they bring it back periodically.

I probably go to Jack in the Box more than the others. Their regular menu is bleh, but the specialty things they have off and on are sometimes pretty good. Not as good as the Really Big Chicken Sandwich™ from 20 years ago, though.

514
HappyWarrior  Sep 10, 2015 • 12:35:23pm

I try to find a balance. It used to be when I was heavy, I’d get something really fattening and unhealthy. It didn’t help that I wasn’t exercising at all outside walking. I lost a lot of weight. Some I’ve gained back but I am not anywhere close to where I had been before. I still would like to get below 200 or even 190. I’m around 210-215 right now. 5’11-6 in height. If I didn’t have my heart condition, I’d probably just accept this but I would like to be lighter on count of my heart.

515
Nyet  Sep 10, 2015 • 12:35:38pm

re: #510 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance

Eating The World’s Most Expensive Burger ($2,000) | Furious Pete

516
Nyet  Sep 10, 2015 • 12:36:31pm

re: #513 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

I ate at McD in different countries around Europe, as well as in Russia, and it tastes the same for me.

517
dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Sep 10, 2015 • 12:36:50pm

re: #491 No Country For Old Haters

Now I really want a burger, but will have a turkey sandwich instead, because I’m done trying to kill myself with poor nutrition.

now that i have had a quadruple bypass, this has all taken on a much greater urgency for me

518
No Country For Old Haters  Sep 10, 2015 • 12:40:20pm

re: #513 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

I’ve always heard that McDonalds is much better pretty much anywhere other than the US. Only Americans would put up with the crap they serve us.

As for the others, I gave up on Wendy’s when they got rid of their salad bar. Burger King burgers aren’t very good, but the Original Chicken sandwich is pretty good—and the Chicken Parmigiana when they bring it back periodically.

I probably go to Jack in the Box more than the others. Their regular menu is bleh, but the specialty things they have off and on are sometimes pretty good. Not as good as the Really Big Chicken SandwichTM from 20 years ago, though.

Jack in the Box killed a bunch of people when I was a kid, and all the local ones closed down.

519
The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Sep 10, 2015 • 12:47:39pm

re: #518 No Country For Old Haters

Jack in the Box killed a bunch of people when I was a kid, and all the local ones closed down.

The E. coli thing? Yeah, we had that here too. That’s what happens when you cut the meat inspectors by 80% like Reagan did. Everybody blamed Jack in the Box—but really, they were as much a victim of Republican policy as anybody.

520
makeitstop  Sep 10, 2015 • 12:48:05pm

re: #489 #CampaignZero

Does anyone remember Krystal burgers? Same as white castle but east coast. Sliders. Before sliders w must pickle & onion. I loved them.

Hit n run post. Going g back to my duty. (Lunch brk)

We had White Castle up here in NY. Great drunk food back in my road days (we’d buy two sacks of 20 and eat until we passed out), but I could never bring myself to eat them while sober.

521
No Country For Old Haters  Sep 10, 2015 • 12:49:40pm

re: #520 makeitstop

We had White Castle up here in NY. Great drunk food back in my road days (we’d buy two sacks of 20 and eat until we passed out), but I could never bring myself to eat them while sober.

I remembered WC as being terrible, but someone brought a bunch in on a software release night several years ago, and they were weird but OK.

522
Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 10, 2015 • 12:51:32pm

re: #520 makeitstop

We had White Castle up here in NY. Great drunk food back in my road days (we’d buy two sacks of 20 and eat until we passed out), but I could never bring myself to eat them while sober.

Well, that is the rule for eating White Castles…

523
Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 10, 2015 • 12:53:20pm

re: #520 makeitstop

Bar closes at 2 am…time for sliders…….

524
Decatur Deb  Sep 10, 2015 • 12:53:52pm

re: #522 Backwoods_Sleuth

Well, that is the rule for eating White Castles…

Pittsburgh had a chain called White Tower. They’re a world away from WC and Krystal. White Towers had juke boxes, and short-order guys who would put up a great burger and malted.

525
Eventual Carrion  Sep 10, 2015 • 12:54:46pm

re: #489 #CampaignZero

Does anyone remember Krystal burgers? Same as white castle but east coast. Sliders. Before sliders w must pickle & onion. I loved them.

Hit n run post. Going g back to my duty. (Lunch brk)

I used to like Burger Chef burgers. They are not around anymore but was a go to place in the 70’s for me. Plus my girlfriend at the time worked there, so there was that.

526
makeitstop  Sep 10, 2015 • 12:56:13pm

re: #523 Backwoods_Sleuth

Bar closes at 2 am…time for sliders…….

Yep, and we had one right around the corner from the band house. Nine times out of ten we’d stop there, but every so often we’d detour to the Jack In The Box for cheap, greasy tacos.

527
makeitstop  Sep 10, 2015 • 12:57:31pm

re: #524 Decatur Deb

Pittsburgh had a chain called White Tower. They’re a world away from WC and Krystal. White Towers had juke boxes, and short-order guys who would put up a great burger and malted.

We had White Tower when I was growing up in Philly. But I’d avoid them and go to Burger Chef, where you could buy a burger, fries and shake for 45 cents.

528
Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Sep 10, 2015 • 1:01:22pm

re: #77 HappyWarrior

He really was between a rock and a hard place. I used to hate him as a Czechoslovak-American but learning more about WWI makes me understand the mood better. So many forget that until Pearl Harbor, many in our own country were adamantly opposed to going to war with the Axis.

and the Republican Party was the party of isolationism

529
Eventual Carrion  Sep 10, 2015 • 1:11:51pm

re: #526 makeitstop

Yep, and we had one right around the corner from the band house. Nine times out of ten we’d stop there, but every so often we’d detour to the Jack In The Box for cheap, greasy tacos.

Yeah, in Texas at 2 am Jack in the Box super tacos were it. Extra hot sauce.

530
Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Sep 10, 2015 • 2:09:59pm

re: #189 HappyWarrior

There was a guy about a hour from here that left his little daughter in the car. She died due to the heat. He naturally felt terrible but he deserved the book getting thrown at him. I haven’t heard what happened to him after he got out. But it just astounds me that someone could forget a child.

Small children and the sleep and concentration deprivation they induce in parents can be a terrible thing and make otherwise caring and intelligent people into stoopid-ass bumbling incoherent zombies.

I know. It took me about three years to recover once they were finally sleeping through nights and in school/day care most days…

531
Dr. Matt  Sep 10, 2015 • 2:21:22pm

re: #456 SteveMcGaziBolaGate

Personal experience, asshole.

Stay klassy.

532
CuriousLurker  Sep 10, 2015 • 2:23:17pm

re: #195 Chan Kobun

Y know what, y’all can just have this discussion. You want to waste your time, be my guest. I’ll eb back when people learn to not give defenders of fascism and terrorism the time of day.

And if you want to get all pissy and downvote this comment because you can’t stand the truth being told about you? Just log out and leave. You aren’t needed.

I don’t know who in the hell you think you are insulting the entire board then petulantly stomping your feet and threatening to take your ball & go home, but doing so hardly makes you look like a thoughtful adult whose opinion should be taken seriously.

It’s also really chickenshit that you never once took the issue up directly with the person whose comments so offended you.

533
nkdee  Sep 10, 2015 • 3:22:22pm

re: #21 Mattand

I think that those that had been denied licenses asked that she be released.

534
Bubblehead II  Sep 10, 2015 • 3:49:06pm

Lizards I am calling it a night. Locally things have just gone to shit. See ya in the morning.

.

535
Eric The Fruit Bat  Sep 10, 2015 • 4:00:47pm

re: #382 Charles Johnson

Correction - he WAS his top advisor until he bolted weeks ago.

536
Eric The Fruit Bat  Sep 10, 2015 • 4:43:03pm

re: #470 Backwoods_Sleuth

To the “esteemed representatives”:

Pursuant to article Three of the US Consitution: “Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances. “

Ms. Davis has clearly violated not only the establishment of religion by her position as a county clerk of Kentucky by refusing to sign lawfully approved rights established in Obergefell, she volitionally and willfully violated the civil rights of same sex couples within her jurisdiction.

537
Swift2991  Sep 10, 2015 • 5:08:52pm

It’s just a matter of time before something really bad happens.

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Rocky-in-Connecticut  Sep 11, 2015 • 4:47:50am

so let me get this straight…

..a group that pretends to protect people from misuse of government or government position defends a government official who is actually in real life misusing her office?

What we really have in real life is a specifically Evangelical Christian militia bent on establishing a specifically hard right wing Evangelical Christian Theocracy.

I think Huckabee actually thinks they have a chance and thinks he will be installed as President of a new Christian States of America. (the new Confederacy)

539
Rocky-in-Connecticut  Sep 11, 2015 • 6:59:05am

re: #440 Jack Burton

in the USA, let us be absolutely clear on this reality:

white man with gunz = defender of FREEDOM!!!™, Good Guy, protector of the Constitution, should threaten to shoot at police and authorities as he sees fit.

black man with gunz= legally carrying, thrown down on floor of Wal-Marts, automatic “thug”, should surrender to police or face tazer and arrest or death. Police have free reign to shoot.

That’s about it.

540
Rocky-in-Connecticut  Sep 11, 2015 • 9:30:07am

re: #53 HappyWarrior

When the wingnuts start bringing up Churchill they also conveniently forget he was instrumental in forming a committee advocating the universal health care system, NHS …or as wingnuts call it,

…Obamacare on Steroids from the Pits of Hell.


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