CA Gov. Jerry Brown Calls Out Ben Carson on Climate Change

“Please use your considerable intelligence to review this material”

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California Governor Jerry Brown heard about GOP candidate Ben Carson’s rote recital of the Republican Party’s anti-science talking points on climate change, and sent him the following official letter, accompanied by a flash drive filled with scientific evidence:

Dear Dr. Carson,

I hope you enjoyed your visit to the Golden State. It’s come to my attention that while you were here you said the following regarding climate science:

“I know there are a lot of people who say ‘overwhelming science,’ but then when you ask them to show the overwhelming science, they never can show it… There is no overwhelming science that the things that are going on are man-caused and not naturally caused. Gimme a break.”

Please find enclosed a flash drive with the complete United Nations Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) “Synthesis Report,” the concluding installment of the Fifth Assessment Report, published earlier this year. This report assessed over 30,000 scientific papers and was written by more than 800 scientists, representing 80 countries around the world, who definitively concluded that: “…human influence on the climate system is growing, with impacts observed across all continents and oceans.”

This is just one of the thousands of reports authored by the world’s top scientists on the subject, including a study published just last month by Columbia University, University of Idaho and NASA Goddard Institute for Space Studies scientists that found climate change has intensified California’s drought. These aren’t just words. The consequences are real.

Please use your considerable intelligence to review this material. Climate change is much bigger than partisan politics.

Sincerely,
Edmund G. Brown Jr.

Excellent try, Gov. Brown. But remember, Ben Carson is a young Earth creationist, and I suspect he will neither read nor understand the material on the flash drive you sent him. The entire Republican Party is denying the reality of climate change, and nobody who expects to run for president as a Republican will buck that trend. They’re anti-science and proud of it.

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freetoken Sep 13, 2015 • 7:01:26pm

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teleskiguy Sep 13, 2015 • 7:02:42pm

Idiocracy: the UN unnazied the world - forever

SteveMcGaziBolaGate Sep 13, 2015 • 7:03:26pm

Blows my mind that educated people, especially those in the sciences, go down that road.

freetoken Sep 13, 2015 • 7:08:36pm

Part of the very appeal of Ben Carson (and for that matter, Trump) to the masses of wingnuts is that Ben is playing the I’m-just-like-you card. This is an appeal to a portion of the electorate who feel pushed around by, for lack of a better phrase, Big Scholar - the highly educated elite who collect themselves around major institutions in large cities.

Camacho DeezNuts 2016 Sep 13, 2015 • 7:10:28pm

re: #3 SteveMcGaziBolaGate

Had a TwitBot display extremely faulty logic today. I tweeted that the responses were illogical: her response was ‘I got a 100 on Logic 101 in Grad School.’

Something doesn’t sound right to this HS graduate.

Great White Snark Sep 13, 2015 • 7:12:41pm

Glad to see this given the crap Jerry Brown is taking for “caving in” to oil interests. It’s just like a point Charles made downstairs about Bill Clinton and Obama. Jerry Brown did the right thing here just like Obama did on Iran. Hungry? Half a loaf beats no bread at all.

wheat-dogghazi-mailgate Sep 13, 2015 • 7:16:47pm

re: #5 Camacho DeezNuts 2016

Had a TwitBot display extremely faulty logic today. I tweeted that the responses were illogical: her response was ‘I got a 100 on Logic 101 in Grad School.’

Something doesn’t sound right to this HS graduate.

That was the remedial Logic class, I think.

Jenner7 Sep 13, 2015 • 7:19:14pm

Re-posted from downstairs:

According to Latino Rebels, about 20 students, many from Iowa State University, had gathered with signs reading, “Students Against Bigotry,” “A Vote For Trump Is A Vote For White Supremacy,” and “Mr. Hate Leave My State.”

thefreshmex.blogspot.com

She mentions the “white supremacy” sign and says she’s going to go rip it up, then rips up a different one.

b_sharp Sep 13, 2015 • 7:20:06pm

re: #5 Camacho DeezNuts 2016

Had a TwitBot display extremely faulty logic today. I tweeted that the responses were illogical: her response was ‘I got a 100 on Logic 101 in Grad School.’

Something doesn’t sound right to this HS graduate.

Why is that person taking logic 101 while in grad school? That’s a 1st year class.

b_sharp Sep 13, 2015 • 7:20:36pm

re: #5 Camacho DeezNuts 2016

Had a TwitBot display extremely faulty logic today. I tweeted that the responses were illogical: her response was ‘I got a 100 on Logic 101 in Grad School.’

Something doesn’t sound right to this HS graduate.

What was the argument?

klys (maker of Silmarils) Sep 13, 2015 • 7:27:20pm

Here’s some effects of climate change.

From someone who admitted they waited way too long to leave Anderson Springs last night.

Escaping Anderson Springs during Valley Fire

team_fukit Sep 13, 2015 • 7:28:35pm

re: #5 Camacho DeezNuts 2016

Ha, not typical to take a logic course in grad school unless you’re in a philosophy program. (unfortunately)

Also, most schools’ grad course number listings start in the 500s or higher.

Charles Johnson Sep 13, 2015 • 7:30:43pm

Plot Against Pope Francis in US Disrupted, Congressman Says

GlutenFreeJesus Sep 13, 2015 • 7:31:12pm

Nice try Governor. But he will ignore it. Next time, get everything printed out and send the document load in a crate labeled FRA-GEE-LAY. He may think it’s a major award or something.

Tigger2 Sep 13, 2015 • 7:35:16pm

re: #11 klys (maker of Silmarils)

Here’s some effects of climate change.

From someone who admitted they waited way too long to leave Anderson Springs last night.

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Video

We had to stay a couple extra days in Daytona years ago because of wild fires along I-95,

#CampaignZero Sep 13, 2015 • 7:36:50pm

re: #15 Tigger2

We had to stay a couple extra days in Daytona years ago because of wild fires along I-95,

I grew up in those areas. We NEVER had wild fires my childhood. Now every single year.

Charles Johnson Sep 13, 2015 • 7:39:34pm

@GlennF It’s appalling that a celebrated neurosurgeon can also be a young Earth creationist, but there it is.

— Charles Johnson (@Green_Footballs) September 14, 2015

b.d. Sep 13, 2015 • 7:40:23pm

re: #13 Charles Johnson

Plot Against Pope Francis in US Disrupted, Congressman Says

WE BETTER NOT HAVE DISCOVERED THAT BY USING METADATA!

Charles Johnson Sep 13, 2015 • 7:43:50pm

Can’t help noticing that every time I tweet something critical of Bernie Sanders I get a burst of loony responses.

— Charles Johnson (@Green_Footballs) September 14, 2015

Very reminiscent of the Ron Paul crowd. Just sayin’.

— Charles Johnson (@Green_Footballs) September 14, 2015

Great White Snark Sep 13, 2015 • 7:48:10pm

re: #16 #CampaignZero

Been reading Ecology Of Fear. This varies by area of course but here in southern California the fire/plant/land ecology has been fascinating. Before mankind, the fires were random via lightning etc. That led to certain fauna prevailing. The native Indians would burn the Malibu hills/Santa Monica mountains as a part of their land dominance. Low intensity grass fires mostly. Now that’s protected forest and the policy is to put out any and all fires ASAP. What that means is some areas burn only after a decade or two, which escalates the fires. To 2000F! Leading to a third set of fauna because that kind of heat changes the microbial soil ecology on up through the food chain. Different microbes, different plants, means different animals and those that feed on them etc etc. The author makes a great case for letting it burn regularly by way of some recent research.

Belafon Sep 13, 2015 • 7:54:10pm

WRT to Sanders and West, here’s a DKos diary that does not like West’s involvement:
dailykos.com.

Obviously it’s not getting the highest marks, but it has some statements I didn’t know West had said.

#CampaignZero Sep 13, 2015 • 7:55:02pm

re: #20 Great White Snark

OT, but I’m on my newly re-designed patio right now with the fan (required) & it almost feels *cool* must be a psyche. It has been so hot, for so damn long.

klys (maker of Silmarils) Sep 13, 2015 • 7:55:07pm

re: #20 Great White Snark

A lot of policy in the national forests at this point is to allow burns that won’t impact humans (and fight those that would cause damage). Preventative burning takes place too, when conditions allow.

Of course, conditions haven’t been amenable in CA for a while.

The question of how you handle burns at the urban interface, however, is a very different (and tricky) kettle of fish.

Plus you have a lot of people who aren’t interested in doing their part. They want the trees right up next to the house. That’s why they live in the forest. Defensive space? Who needs that? Dead tree removal is expensive and besides, nature just takes care of those things, right?

But this last week, one very strong reason my sister had a place to go back to was because just two weeks ago, they’d finished a fuel reduction pass, removing trees killed by beetles and the drought. It kept the fire out of the crowns and on the ground - and that kept it at a place it could be fought.

#CampaignZero Sep 13, 2015 • 7:57:25pm

Re: Sanders & West.

Basically anyone who disses POTUS is fucked.

So many many many people love this President.

Idiots to go that route & they will feel the repercussions.

klys (maker of Silmarils) Sep 13, 2015 • 7:58:58pm

Trying to wrap my head around scale & speed of #valleyfire. A single day from a spark to engulfing area equal to all of Oakland (78 mi²).

— Carina C. Zona (@cczona) September 14, 2015

gwangung Sep 13, 2015 • 8:00:03pm

re: #24 #CampaignZero

Re: Sanders & West.

Basically anyone who disses POTUS is fucked.

So many many many people love this President.

Idiots to go that route & they will feel the repercussions.

Yeah, pretty much so. You;d think they would have drawn the right lesson from the mid-terms.

More so, given that Obama has been the most liberal president in the last 50 years; you BUILD on that foundation to go further, not to say that he was no good at all.

goddamnedfrank Sep 13, 2015 • 8:01:24pm

I might be inclined to take Cornel West’s criticism of Obama at face value if he didn’t admit that it all stems from his resentment at not getting a ticket to the 2009 inauguration. The dude has basically just been on one long, petty ass revenge trip.

Single-handed sailor Sep 13, 2015 • 8:03:54pm

re: #25 klys (maker of Silmarils)

Here’s a long, horrifying video of the destruction of Middletown.

Periscope Video

Tigger2 Sep 13, 2015 • 8:06:52pm

re: #28 Single-handed sailor

Here’s a long, horrifying video of the destruction of Middletown.

Periscope Video

That’s terrible.

#CampaignZero Sep 13, 2015 • 8:12:38pm

re: #26 gwangung

Yeah, pretty much so. You;d think they would have drawn the right lesson from the mid-terms.

More so, given that Obama has been the most liberal president in the last 50 years; you BUILD on that foundation to go further, not to say that he was no good at all.

West is a contrarian. Bernie? Not smart to think West is anyway his ticket. Just makes it worse.

retired cynic Sep 13, 2015 • 8:13:10pm

re: #21 Belafon

WRT to Sanders and West, here’s a DKos diary that does not like West’s involvement:
dailykos.com.

Obviously it’s not getting the highest marks, but it has some statements I didn’t know West had said.

Nasty stuff!

klys (maker of Silmarils) Sep 13, 2015 • 8:14:32pm

re: #28 Single-handed sailor

Here’s a long, horrifying video of the destruction of Middletown.

Periscope Video

Watched some of that live last night, as he was streaming it. :/

Belafon Sep 13, 2015 • 8:15:10pm

re: #28 Single-handed sailor

What’s with the hearts coming out of the pause button?

gwangung Sep 13, 2015 • 8:15:37pm

re: #30 #CampaignZero

West is a contrarian. Bernie? Not smart to think West is anyway his ticket. Just makes it worse.

Been reading some of the stuff on twitter on how folks react to West. Granted, it’s just people here and there…but I think West is more what white progressives think is a leader in black progressiveism, rather than a leading black progressive himself. That’s a misstep, and it might be fatal, given that Sanders MUST get at least a split of the black and minority vote to be competitive.

Single-handed sailor Sep 13, 2015 • 8:16:10pm

re: #33 Belafon

What’s with the hearts coming out of the pause button?

People clicking the “like” button.

Dr Lizardo Sep 13, 2015 • 8:17:47pm

re: #28 Single-handed sailor

Here’s a long, horrifying video of the destruction of Middletown.

Periscope Video

Reading about the Valley Fire, holy crap, did that blow up quick. 10,000 acres within a little under six hours? Now at 50,000 acres plus with 0% containment?

Just damn.

Belafon Sep 13, 2015 • 8:19:17pm

re: #35 Single-handed sailor

People clicking the “like” button.

Thanks. As my son said when he saw them, they need to be on fire for this one.

Reality Based Steve Sep 13, 2015 • 8:20:31pm

Well I’m off to bed. Got a call this evening, going to help with a batch of soldiers doing a ‘stress relief transition’ from deployment. We do sort of a very basic scuba class (enough so they don’t kill themselves), then take them out for a dive at the quarry. Going to be running about 30 or so folks through tomorrow.

Weather is looking pretty good, and it’s always a good feeling helping out.

Take care and be careful, the stuff in the ‘apple juice’ bottle in the fridge is a sample for my physical later on.

RBS

#CampaignZero Sep 13, 2015 • 8:21:08pm

re: #34 gwangung

Been reading some of the stuff on twitter on how folks react to West. Granted, it’s just people here and there…but I think West is more what white progressives think is a leader in black progressiveism, rather than a leading black progressive himself. That’s a misstep, and it might be fatal, given that Sanders MUST get at least a split of the black and minority vote to be competitive.

ding ding ding.

Charles Johnson Sep 13, 2015 • 8:22:00pm

An American Tune

klys (maker of Silmarils) Sep 13, 2015 • 8:23:03pm

First fatality, apparently:

AP-Authorities: 1 killed, more than 400 homes and businesses destroyed in massive California fire. #valleyfire

— Ian Schwartz (@SchwartzTV) September 14, 2015

klys (maker of Silmarils) Sep 13, 2015 • 8:23:26pm

re: #41 klys (maker of Silmarils)

BREAKING: Authorities say 1 killed, more than 400 homes and businesses destroyed in massive California fire.

— The Associated Press (@AP) September 14, 2015

goddamnedfrank Sep 13, 2015 • 8:23:35pm

re: #34 gwangung

Been reading some of the stuff on twitter on how folks react to West. Granted, it’s just people here and there…but I think West is more what white progressives think is a leader in black progressiveism, rather than a leading black progressive himself. That’s a misstep, and it might be fatal, given that Sanders MUST get at least a split of the black and minority vote to be competitive.

West was very much at the forefront within black academic circles in 2007. Then after the election he felt that Obama dissed him and he’s been coasting on hate every since. Michael Eric Dyson wrote an excellent article in April all about the fall of West.

This is where Congreve’s insight on love decomposed to rage comes crashing in. West has repeatedly declared that he did 65 engagements for the presidential campaign in 2008, and was offended when the president didn’t provide tickets to the inauguration. (Obama later told me in the White House that West left several voice messages, including prayers, from a blocked number with no instructions of where to return the call, a routine with which I was all too familiar.) In a 2011 interview with Chris Hedges on Truthdig that appeared under the headline “The Obama Deception: Why Cornel West Went Ballistic,” West recalled his indignation during the Inauguration, when he arrived at his Washington hotel with his mother, and she noted that the bellman had a ticket to the event but not her son. “I couldn’t get a ticket for my mother and my brother,” West said. “We drive into the hotel and the guy who picks up my bags from the hotel has a ticket to the inauguration. My mom says, ‘That’s something that this dear brother can get a ticket and you can’t get one, honey, all the work you did for him from Iowa.’” Thus the left-wing critic found it unjust that the workingman and not the professor had a ticket to the inauguration. Only in a world where bankers and other fat cats greedily gobble rewards meant for everyday citizens would such a reversal appear unfair. J.P. Morgan might have been mad; Karl Marx would have been ecstatic.

It’s a long article and I highly recommend reading all of it. Dyson’s main point seems to be that West hasn’t published anything in years resembling his earlier groundbreaking academic output, that West is basically dry humping his own reputation and has been milking media attention as a political flamethrower.

Charles Johnson Sep 13, 2015 • 8:30:07pm

I used to be a fan of Cornel West back in the day. But the way he viciously attacked the first black POTUS really alienated me.

— Charles Johnson (@Green_Footballs) September 14, 2015

gwangung Sep 13, 2015 • 8:30:41pm

re: #43 goddamnedfrank

Yes, I might have thought differently of West if he had engaged with other writers such as Coates, but his dismissal of Coates read for all the world as someone who couldn’t be bothered to read anything that couldn’t fit into a clipping service. It looked more like an ego driven campaign than anything else.

Given that the black community is very protective of the president to careless criticism (You might get somewhere saying that he was too cautious dealing with the Republicans, but not that he was morally bankrupt), I think pulling West to the front is not going to play well with that core of Democratic support.

Cheechako Sep 13, 2015 • 8:33:18pm

re: #11 klys (maker of Silmarils)

I suspect they heard “the Train”. “Hearing the train a comin’” is an expression wild-land firefighters have for when a large wildfire is approaching. The sound from the fire sounds just like a large freight train coming down the tracks. It’s a pulsating sound that just gets louder as the fire approaches. I’ve heard it a few times.

It’s apparent that these people are leaving after the main fire front has passed as there is fire on both sides of the road. Had they left earlier during the fire front passage they could have been in trouble. Large fires such as this will consume all the oxygen out of the air causing the engine on their car to stall and then asphyxiating them.

When told to evacuate it’s stupid to wait. Go means GO!

klys (maker of Silmarils) Sep 13, 2015 • 8:36:52pm

re: #46 Cheechako

In a lot of these smaller communities it’s unclear how much warning folks got, if any.

These ones did wait too long, but certainly in other interviews with evacuees that I’ve heard, they only found out because a family member called and called to make sure they knew, or similar stories.

In that context, it’s not surprising that there’s been a fatality. I suspect the likelihood of them finding more is not low, either. Sadly.

goddamnedfrank Sep 13, 2015 • 8:37:35pm

re: #45 gwangung

Yes, I might have thought differently of West if he had engaged with other writers such as Coates, but his dismissal of Coates read for all the world as someone who couldn’t be bothered to read anything that couldn’t fit into a clipping service. It looked more like an ego driven campaign than anything else.

Given that the black community is very protective of the president to careless criticism (You might get somewhere saying that he was too cautious dealing with the Republicans, but not that he was morally bankrupt), I think pulling West to the front is not going to play well with that core of Democratic support.

It’s the worst move that Sanders’ campaign could have made. Short of digging up a time capsule filled with thirty million black americans who’ve been frozen in stasis for ten years there’s no way this helps him.

jaunte Sep 13, 2015 • 8:38:56pm

GOP no longer simply denying #climatechange at home. Now actively sabotaging global action http://t.co/2PxquP9mju pic.twitter.com/x8gbxDVM7v

— The Daily Edge (@TheDailyEdge) September 12, 2015

goddamnedfrank Sep 13, 2015 • 8:40:14pm

“Almost” victimless? This is very poorly worded. It was the ban on gay marriage that victimized people. https://t.co/IKckf9nQn6

— goddamnedfrank (@goddamnedfrank) September 14, 2015

Hey, let’s compare gay marriage to some shit it’s nearly the exact fucking opposite of.

Belafon Sep 13, 2015 • 8:41:46pm

re: #48 goddamnedfrank

It’s the worst move that Sanders’ campaign could have made. Short of digging up a time capsule filled with thirty million black americans who’ve been frozen in stasis for ten years there’s no way this helps him.

We’ll have to see. I would be curious to know how West’s statements play with groups like #BlackLivesMatter. A lot of blacks probably know the name but not some of his statements (I say this because, like most people in the world, I’m pretty sure busy blacks don’t have a lot of time to follow politics like we do). So we’ll have to see how this plays out. If he makes one of those statements on the trail, I suspect Sanders campaign will get a lot of sudden attention it wasn’t asking for. If West doesn’t say anything too far out, it might help Sanders.

Charles Johnson Sep 13, 2015 • 8:45:00pm

Unlike slavery or segregation, gay marriage is almost completely victimless http://t.co/8mrwRwvAQQ pic.twitter.com/gQghpaTFBq

— The Economist (@TheEconomist) September 14, 2015

“Almost completely victimless?” Wut? https://t.co/51J5vkToju

— Charles Johnson (@Green_Footballs) September 14, 2015

klys (maker of Silmarils) Sep 13, 2015 • 8:46:04pm

G’night, Lizards.

I hate flying east.

Fucking time zones.

gwangung Sep 13, 2015 • 8:46:27pm

re: #51 Belafon

We’ll have to see. I would be curious to know how West’s statements play with groups like #BlackLivesMatter. A lot of blacks probably know the name but not some of his statements (I say this because, like most people in the world, I’m pretty sure busy blacks don’t have a lot of time to follow politics like we do). So we’ll have to see how this plays out. If he makes one of those statements on the trail, I suspect Sanders campaign will get a lot of sudden attention it wasn’t asking for. If West doesn’t say anything too far out, it might help Sanders.

It’s going to have to be a home-grown grassroots play, then, because any other sort of organizing would have to use fairly experienced people in the community…who are the sort of people who DO follow politics. They would have to go directly to folks like @deray and @netaaaaa and convince them that Sanders means what he says, and that West’s past comments (which they actually would know about) are going to be modified.

(ETA: BLM activists aren’t stupid. They’d do research and listen to other folks, not all of which would be happy about West’s statements).

Belafon Sep 13, 2015 • 8:46:29pm

re: #50 goddamnedfrank

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Hey, let’s compare gay marriage to some shit it’s nearly the exact fucking opposite of.

Victimless, except not being able to assign power of attorney if you are incapacitated, not having both parents be able to speak for a child, not getting the tax breaks, or health care, or a whole host of other things.

HappyWarrior Sep 13, 2015 • 8:47:43pm

re: #52 Charles Johnson

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Yeah wtf. And Kim doesn’t look like a persecuted victim at all, she seems to loving her 15 mins of fame.

jaunte Sep 13, 2015 • 8:49:23pm

re: #52 Charles Johnson

Victim complex
Still, the furore in Kentucky shows the extent to which some Christian Americans feel besieged by what they perceive as a strangulating godlessness. Given the freshness of the gay-marriage ruling, perhaps that paranoia is understandable.

No, actually not. No one is getting strangled. No one is besieged. No one is gay marrying you, your livestock or your guns.

Cheechako Sep 13, 2015 • 8:50:45pm

re: #47 klys (maker of Silmarils)

I listened to scanners monitoring the fire most of yesterday. At this afternoon’s news conference the CDF said they spent 95% of their effort yesterday trying to get people out and not directly fighting the fire. I’m sure some people didn’t get the info because they were not signed up with the reverse 911 system, didn’t check their email, text messages, or tweets, or were not paying attention to what was happening around them.

Listening on the scanner, the Sheriffs Office and fire-fighters had a lot of people going door-to-door in every affected neighborhood warning people to get out immediately. There were several reports of home owners refusing to leave.

Belafon Sep 13, 2015 • 8:51:16pm

re: #57 jaunte

No, actually not. No one is getting strangled. No one is besieged. No one is gay marrying you, your livestock or your guns.

“We’re coming to take your god away.”

HappyWarrior Sep 13, 2015 • 8:51:48pm

Just because you think you’re a victim doesn’t mean you are a victim.

FormerDirtDart Sep 13, 2015 • 8:53:18pm

You’ve all misinterpreted The Economist’s tweet
It’s a jab at Kim Davis’ self identified martyrdom

goddamnedfrank Sep 13, 2015 • 8:53:23pm

re: #54 gwangung

They would have to go directly to folks like @deray and @netaaaaa and convince them that Sanders means what he says, and that West’s past comments (which they actually would know about) are going to be modified.

IOW, “Pay no attention to the loose cannon, he’s only there to impress the rubes.”

gwangung Sep 13, 2015 • 8:54:36pm

re: #62 goddamnedfrank

IOW, “Pay no attention to the loose cannon, he’s only there to impress the rubes.”

Tough job, given the hole Sanders has dug himself into (and it IS a hole….taking back that apology was NOT a smart move).

HappyWarrior Sep 13, 2015 • 8:55:30pm

Wait what happened with Sanders?

SteveMcGaziBolaGate Sep 13, 2015 • 8:57:01pm

re: #61 FormerDirtDart

You’ve all misinterpreted The Economist’s tweet
It’s a jab at Kim Davis’ self identified martyrdom

What do you expect when you have a discussion 140 characters at a time?

Belafon Sep 13, 2015 • 8:58:56pm

re: #61 FormerDirtDart

You’ve all misinterpreted The Economist’s tweet
It’s a jab at Kim Davis’ self identified martyrdom

You’re right. That’ll teach me. I read four articles today before replying, and I jump on the fifth one.

HappyWarrior Sep 13, 2015 • 8:59:32pm

re: #61 FormerDirtDart

You’ve all misinterpreted The Economist’s tweet
It’s a jab at Kim Davis’ self identified martyrdom

Oops. Thanks for that.

blueraven Sep 13, 2015 • 9:01:52pm

re: #40 Charles Johnson

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Just beautiful. Paul Simon is a treasure.

Belafon Sep 13, 2015 • 9:02:06pm

re: #64 HappyWarrior

Wait what happened with Sanders?

Cornell West has been opening for Sanders at recent rallies. The thing is, West has been attacking Obama during the presidency, as described in a Daily Kos diary I listed above.

Charles Johnson Sep 13, 2015 • 9:02:30pm

re: #61 FormerDirtDart

You’ve all misinterpreted The Economist’s tweet
It’s a jab at Kim Davis’ self identified martyrdom

Actually, no. It’s not misinterpreted at all. This is what the article says:

To compare her recalcitrance, as some admirers have, to the refusal of Rosa Parks to give up her seat on a Montgomery bus, or to the 19th-century figures who declined to return runaway slaves, is absurd.

Absurd because, unlike slavery or segregation, gay marriage is almost completely victimless. Therein lies another fallacy of Ms Davis’s martyrdom: she makes it seem that Christians have been persecuted by the Supreme Court’s ruling, directly and en masse, when, in reality, only a few have been inconvenienced (and many more gay Christians stand to benefit). There is a difficult question about whether the handful of devout bakers and florists who would prefer not to cater to same-sex nuptials should be compelled to. The law must either require shopkeepers to treat everyone alike or condone their intolerance—equality is surely better.

Clearly, they are saying that there are victims of same sex marriage. Just not very many. And again I say, “WUT?”

Teukka Sep 13, 2015 • 9:03:20pm

OT, but in other news, there has been an explosion at a Kurdish associaton in Southern Stockholm. No reports of injuries, but windows on basement, 1st and 2nd floor are broken.
Stockholm County PD are classifying it as an act of terrorism, and think it may be related to unrest between Kurds and Turks in the center of the city earlier in the day.
aftonbladet.se

HappyWarrior Sep 13, 2015 • 9:03:51pm

re: #69 Belafon

Cornell West has been opening for Sanders at recent rallies. The thing is, West has been attacking Obama during the presidency, as described in a Daily Kos diary I listed above.

Ah I see. Agree not a smart move. I’ll read the diary, thanks.

jaunte Sep 13, 2015 • 9:04:01pm

re: #70 Charles Johnson

The law must either require shopkeepers to treat everyone alike or condone their intolerance—equality is surely better.

And they seem to be saying that the argument is still open.

goddamnedfrank Sep 13, 2015 • 9:04:38pm

re: #61 FormerDirtDart

You’ve all misinterpreted The Economist’s tweet
It’s a jab at Kim Davis’ self identified martyrdom

All I said was that it was poorly written. It was, very.

Charles Johnson Sep 13, 2015 • 9:05:41pm

re: #61 FormerDirtDart

You’ve all misinterpreted The Economist’s tweet
It’s a jab at Kim Davis’ self identified martyrdom

And it’s definitely not “a jab at Kim Davis’ self-identified martyrdom.” I don’t know where you got that impression - it’s not in the article.

freetoken Sep 13, 2015 • 9:06:33pm

It’s an old argument in new clothes.

The majority, that is, the society as a whole, can enforce its will on a small minority. This is done all the time.

The question is, are we going to label in these cases the minority as “victims”, an emotionally ladened term.

HappyWarrior Sep 13, 2015 • 9:07:12pm

Anyhow West’s comments re: Obama remind of what Maher or Moore said about Obama not acting “black enough.”

FormerDirtDart Sep 13, 2015 • 9:07:43pm

re: #75 Charles Johnson

And it’s definitely not “a jab at Kim Davis’ self-identified martyrdom.” I don’t know where you got that impression - it’s not in the article.

Except of course from the part of the article you quoted

To compare her recalcitrance, as some admirers have, to the refusal of Rosa Parks to give up her seat on a Montgomery bus, or to the 19th-century figures who declined to return runaway slaves, is absurd.

goddamnedfrank Sep 13, 2015 • 9:11:34pm

The issue of Christian bakers, florists, etc catering to gay weddings remains, for the foreseeable future, a state by state one. With the GOP’s allergy to rational discourse on the matter there’s no chance of any federal amendment of Section 2 of the ‘64 Civil Rights Act adding sexual preference to list of prohibited reasons for discrimination in public accommodations. So bigots in red states can breath easy.

HappyWarrior Sep 13, 2015 • 9:13:47pm

re: #79 goddamnedfrank

The issue of Christian bakers, florists, etc catering to gay weddings remains, for the foreseeable future, a state by state one. With the GOP’s allergy to rational discourse on the matter there’s no chance of any federal amendment of Section 2 of the ‘64 Civil Rights Act adding sexual preference to list of prohibited reasons for discrimination in public accommodations. So bigots in red states can breath easy.

That I hope is on the Dens agenda when they regain back congress.

blueraven Sep 13, 2015 • 9:14:02pm

To say that SSM has produced victims is silly. If there are any victims it is of the self-imposed variety caused by narrow minds.

goddamnedfrank Sep 13, 2015 • 9:15:11pm

re: #78 FormerDirtDart

Except of course from the part of the article you quoted

Right, except to go on and compare the acceptance of gay marriage to slavery and segregation is also absurd. It was the ban on gay marriage that smothered people’s intrinsic rights to free association and equal protection of the laws.

HappyWarrior Sep 13, 2015 • 9:15:42pm

It really says a lot about how the religious right views gay people that they liken having to treat gay people as equals to Nazis or slaveowners but conservatives assure me that the left are the real hysterical ones.

Jeff Selbst Sep 13, 2015 • 9:16:08pm

Considerable intelligence my tush.
The truth is that physicians are highly trained, not necessarily well-educated. I know, sadly, a good number of doctors who are competent in the tasks of their profession and complete morons outside it. Carson obviously falls into that category.

goddamnedfrank Sep 13, 2015 • 9:16:57pm

re: #80 HappyWarrior

That I hope is on the Dens agenda when they regain back congress.

I won’t hold my breath.

As cynical as it may sound, getting the Voting Rights Act repair through has far greater strategic value.

HappyWarrior Sep 13, 2015 • 9:17:15pm

Frankly this is one issue I can’t agree to disagree on. I can do that about many an issue but when it comes to people’s civil rights nope I’m sorry but I can’t be polite about it.

HappyWarrior Sep 13, 2015 • 9:17:49pm

re: #85 goddamnedfrank

I won’t hold my breath.

As cynical as it may sound, getting the Voting Rights Act repair through has far greater strategic value.

I won’t either hence hope but yeah.

teleskiguy Sep 13, 2015 • 9:19:06pm

Philly Lizards, is this in the running for one of the most Philly photos ever snapped?

my friend just posted this real-life photo of a crab wandering the streets of north philly with a cigarette pic.twitter.com/Nqvewf9e0A

— ✖️ (@mghnplr) September 13, 2015

HappyWarrior Sep 13, 2015 • 9:21:43pm

re: #88 teleskiguy

Philly Lizards, is this in the running for one of the most Philly photos ever snapped?

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That crab has a PI office on South Street I heard.

Charles Johnson Sep 13, 2015 • 9:21:55pm

re: #78 FormerDirtDart

Except of course from the part of the article you quoted

Are you being deliberately obtuse? The article clearly makes the point that there are “victims” of same sex marriage, just like the summary in the tweet says. Nothing has been misinterpreted.

Teukka Sep 13, 2015 • 9:27:34pm

Off-topic, but worth a read (hit translate). The reality of people who have to deal with unaccompanied refugee children (Anchor Babbies in wingnutese).

facebook.com

Charles Johnson Sep 13, 2015 • 9:29:25pm

One of those days.

Camacho DeezNuts 2016 Sep 13, 2015 • 9:29:59pm

Breaking: United Airlines and Alaska merger not going well:

Two planes hit each other at #LAX #united #Alaska pic.twitter.com/2I6Jou1pa6

— C’s Hernandez (@brujo11c) September 14, 2015

Camacho DeezNuts 2016 Sep 13, 2015 • 9:31:23pm

Almost completely victimless = there are still victims.

Camacho DeezNuts 2016 Sep 13, 2015 • 9:36:45pm

I’m almost completely cancer free = I still have cancer.

BeenHereAwhile Sep 13, 2015 • 9:38:38pm

re: #44 Charles Johnson

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Cornel West has become his own caricature.

goddamnedfrank Sep 13, 2015 • 9:44:37pm

LOLWUT?

@goldietaylor I think Bush will survive the thinning out process. Clinton might not. I think Kerry’s waiting in the wings.

— M Edward/Ed Borasky (@znmeb) September 14, 2015

freetoken Sep 13, 2015 • 9:50:06pm

re: #97 goddamnedfrank

“I think Kerry’s waiting in the wings.”

In the wings of a snow white dove, maybe.

Eclectic Cyborg Sep 13, 2015 • 9:50:59pm

This is fascinating. An animated video done in the style of Super Mario Bros. that tells the story of the Syrian refugees. I found the Hungary portion particularly striking.

Mario phiên bản Syria

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Bill and Opus for 2016! Sep 13, 2015 • 10:00:04pm

re: #81 blueraven

To say that SSM has produced victims is silly. If there are any victims it is of the self-imposed variety caused by narrow minds.

Keep in mind these are the same type of people who thought that they were being victimized by school desegregation, mixed-race marriages, and the Voting Rights Act.

Found this on my Facebook timeline and it explains things extremely well:

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dholmes32 Sep 13, 2015 • 10:02:07pm

re: #40 Charles Johnson

I wish I could vote this up a dozen times. This is one of my favorite songs.

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teleskiguy Sep 13, 2015 • 10:02:34pm

Cat Machine gun (Vine by WORLDSTARHIPHOP®) https://t.co/1jLnSuMpUN

— Jenn Hoffman (@JennHoffman) September 14, 2015

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Jenner7 Sep 13, 2015 • 10:20:48pm

re: #102 teleskiguy

::cringe::

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goddamnedfrank Sep 13, 2015 • 10:21:28pm

re: #102 teleskiguy

That can not be good for the cat.

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dholmes32 Sep 13, 2015 • 10:21:41pm

re: #102 teleskiguy

That kitty is not liking it. Put kitty DOWN!

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piratedan Sep 13, 2015 • 10:22:32pm

re: #70 Charles Johnson

it’s that very special section of Hallmark where they craft the “Congrats on your Civil Union!” cards.

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teleskiguy Sep 13, 2015 • 10:24:02pm

re: #105 dholmes32

That kitty is not liking it. Put kitty DOWN!

He put the kitty down.

Though y’all are probably right, not good for kitty.

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Teukka Sep 13, 2015 • 10:24:34pm

re: #105 dholmes32

That kitty is not liking it. Put kitty DOWN!

How many months of free parking on the laptop keyboard and free scritches you reckon that stunt is worth? ½ a year?

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Varek Raith Sep 13, 2015 • 10:29:10pm

Image: ngbbs483f32d14fd9f.gif

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Charles Johnson Sep 13, 2015 • 11:21:04pm

She seems nice.

@Green_Footballs Maybe you should just shut up.

— Paula Burkhart (@PaulaBurkhart1) September 14, 2015

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate Sep 13, 2015 • 11:23:36pm

re: #110 Charles Johnson

She seems nice.

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You are infringing on her first amendment rights to not hear stuff she doesn’t like.

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Charles Johnson Sep 13, 2015 • 11:25:13pm

Today seems to be my day to encounter very cranky people.

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goddamnedfrank Sep 14, 2015 • 1:31:26am

The analogy fails because Jewish businesses don’t sell pork to anybody, so there is no discrimination. @nevergiveup065 @cjmperspectives

— goddamnedfrank (@goddamnedfrank) September 14, 2015

@goddamnedfrank @cjmperspectives It it far better to disobey government, than to disobey God

— Malcolm (@nevergiveup065) September 14, 2015

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Amory Blaine Sep 14, 2015 • 1:31:34am

Scott Walker to propose abolishing unions for federal workers

Seeking to revitalize his presidential campaign, Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker plans to focus Monday on weakening labor by proposing to abolish unions for federal workers, create a national “right-to-work law” and eliminate the National Labor Relations Board.

At a Las Vegas manufacturer, he also plans to call for requiring all unions to hold periodic votes so workers can decide whether they should continue to exist, according to his campaign. He will also cancel President Barack Obama’s Labor Day order that federal contractors provide paid sick leave and work to end policies requiring some salaried workers to receive overtime — saying in some cases they should get time off instead.

“I will check the power of the big-government special interests, empower individuals, and protect taxpayers,” Walker wrote in a paper spelling out his plans.

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ozharas Sep 14, 2015 • 1:42:12am

we’re (Australia) about to roll our Prime Minister - our Communications Minister (Turnbull) has called for a leadership spill, and is odds on to become our new Prime Minister.

Prime Minister Abbott has been a hardline, socially conservative PM, and Turnbull is a more socially progressive, believes in climate change, supports SSM, wants Australia to become a republic etc. Turnbull says we need advocacy, not slogans.

Vote will be tonight, stay tuned.

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Kragar Sep 14, 2015 • 1:47:27am

re: #113 goddamnedfrank

here is a list of Christian denominations which have no issue with LGBT rights https://t.co/GRj6NakxyU @nevergiveup065 @goddamnedfrank

— Kragar (@Kragar_LGF) September 14, 2015

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freetoken Sep 14, 2015 • 1:50:30am

MP3 Audio

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Eventual Carrion Sep 14, 2015 • 2:23:22am

re: #114 Amory Blaine

Scott Walker to propose abolishing unions for federal workers
[snip]
At a Las Vegas manufacturer, he also plans to call for requiring all unions to hold periodic votes so workers can decide whether they should continue to exist, according to his campaign.
[snip]

Will non-union shops get periodic votes to become union shops also. I would guess probably not.

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Ace-o-aces Sep 14, 2015 • 2:29:20am

re: #114 Amory Blaine

Ahhh, it’s a repeat of the policy that’s put he’s states educational system in its current condition.
A) pay and treat employees like shit.
B) wonder why you’re not getting enough good applicants.

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freetoken Sep 14, 2015 • 2:58:22am

THE LATEST: GERMANY EXPECTS 1 MILLION MIGRANTS THIS YEAR

Germany’s vice chancellor says the country can expect 1 million migrants this year, raising the previous estimate by 200,000.

Sigmar Gabriel said in a letter to members of his Social Democratic Party that “everything points the fact that we won’t have 800,000 migrants as has been predicted by the Interior Ministry but 1 million.”

[…]

Over 5,800 people fleeing their homelands have entered Hungary in one day, by far the highest number this year, as the country prepares to apply new immigration rules and tighter border controls.

Hungarian police detained 5,809 migrants Sunday, shattering the previous one-day mark of 4,330 set Saturday.

By 8 a.m. Monday, police said another 3,280 people had been detained for crossing the border illegally, taking Hungary’s 2015 total to nearly 195,000.

[…]

I wonder how long it will be before domestic backlash leads to more draconian measures taken to stop the flow of immigrants.

See: Merkel Ally Sees Risks in Chancellor’s Refugee Policy Developing

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freetoken Sep 14, 2015 • 3:32:20am

I’m rooting for the zombies.

I mean, really…

Click to Reveal

You’d think they would have on the local radio stations to know what is going on. No?

And tell me, which on of you, when it’s nighttime and want to see what’s outside, stands at your window and uses a flashlight pointed at some partially closed shades?

How dumb are we supposed to believe these people are?

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ozharas Sep 14, 2015 • 4:53:44am

re: #115 ozharas

we’re (Australia) about to roll our Prime Minister - our Communications Minister (Turnbull) has called for a leadership spill, and is odds on to become our new Prime Minister.

Prime Minister Abbott has been a hardline, socially conservative PM, and Turnbull is a more socially progressive, believes in climate change, supports SSM, wants Australia to become a republic etc. Turnbull says we need advocacy, not slogans.

Vote will be tonight, stay tuned.

New Prime Minister in Australia - Malcolm Turnbull. Hard right shock jocks are LIVID.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate Sep 14, 2015 • 4:54:49am

re: #122 ozharas

New Prime Minister in Australia - Malcolm Turnbull. Hard right shock jocks are LIVID.

I’m glad that Oz has come to its senses.

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Targetpractice Sep 14, 2015 • 4:57:50am

BREAKING: Kentucky clerk says she won’t interfere, but also won’t authorize gay marriage licenses.

— The Associated Press (@AP) September 14, 2015

Oy vey.

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goddamnedfrank Sep 14, 2015 • 5:00:00am

Gross dude is gross.

Today, @NotGayJared and I were kicked out of a feminist film festival, returned in our underwear & had the cops called on us. Vid soon!

— Steven Crowder (@scrowder) September 13, 2015

Right now the Grand Rapids Feminist Film Festival is scrambling. They will be made to look like fools. Fun will be had by all.

— Steven Crowder (@scrowder) September 14, 2015

The straw that broke the camel’s back? The feminist Film Festival were hosting a #BlackLivesMatter panel & still think Shaun King’s black.

— Steven Crowder (@scrowder) September 14, 2015

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goddamnedfrank Sep 14, 2015 • 5:01:42am

re: #124 Targetpractice

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Oy vey.

So she caved. Many other clerks have arrived at this position. As long as there is someone at the office ready, willing and able to serve all eligible members of the public the law is being fulfilled.

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aagcobb Sep 14, 2015 • 5:02:27am

re: #124 Targetpractice

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Oy vey.

Good, the last thing we needed was another circus as she stews in jail, or an armed confrontation between US Marshalls and Oathkeepers.

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Bird in the Paw Sep 14, 2015 • 5:06:02am

My inner nihilist was kinda looking forward to more Kimscapades.

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aagcobb Sep 14, 2015 • 5:08:37am

re: #128 Bird in the Paw

My inner nihilist was kinda looking forward to more Kimscapades.

Not me, we have a statewide election in Ky in November, and we don’t need to get the fundies any more riled up to elect know-nothing Teabagger Matt Bevin into the Governor’s Mansion.

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Dr. Matt Sep 14, 2015 • 5:09:52am

She’s raging. Listen to her rant. Clearly she’s mentally ill.

Kim Davis: “I will take no action against” deputy clerks if they issue marriage licenses (📹: @FoxNews) https://t.co/2HCy6bb04T

— BuzzFeed News (@BuzzFeedNews) September 14, 2015

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goddamnedfrank Sep 14, 2015 • 5:10:57am

#CreepyCrowder @scrowder @NotGayJared

— goddamnedfrank (@goddamnedfrank) September 14, 2015

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Bird in the Paw Sep 14, 2015 • 5:11:30am

re: #129 aagcobb

I have no real desire to inflict more pain on KY. That’s why it’s an inner thought that is kept inner and not allowed to see the light of day.

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aagcobb Sep 14, 2015 • 5:14:31am

re: #132 Bird in the Paw

I have no real desire to inflict more pain on KY. That’s why it’s an inner thought that is kept inner and not allowed to see the light of day.

Its OK, I understand. Its how I feel watching Donald Trump turn the GOP presidential race into a three ring circus. Can’t wait for the Wednesday debate!

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Bird in the Paw Sep 14, 2015 • 5:16:16am

re: #130 Dr. Matt

Wow, she’s talking about tolerance?!?

And, did the judge really say that he wasn’t sure of the validity of marriage licenses issued that don’t have her scribble on it? I would doubt that, but what do I know.

To clarify; the judge’s statement.

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aagcobb Sep 14, 2015 • 5:17:27am

re: #130 Dr. Matt

She’s raging. Listen to her rant. Clearly she’s mentally ill.

Being a religious fundamentalist generally isn’t considered a mental illness, even when it causes people to roll around babbling gibberish or handle venomous snakes that bite and kill them. We have a bunch of such crazies here in Ky. I’m related to some of them (not the snake handlers, though).

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Bird in the Paw Sep 14, 2015 • 5:19:17am

re: #135 aagcobb

Being a religious fundamentalist generally isn’t considered a mental illness,.

I suggest a new entry for the DSM VI, when it comes out.

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aagcobb Sep 14, 2015 • 5:37:40am

re: #134 Bird in the Paw

Wow, she’s talking about tolerance?!?

And, did the judge really say that he wasn’t sure of the validity of marriage licenses issued that don’t have her scribble on it? I would doubt that, but what do I know.

He said something to that effect, but that issue wasn’t really before him to decide, and the reality is that the licenses are valid since the clerk is just engaged in a ministerial duty her clerks can perform and no-one has standing to attack their validity.

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Iwouldprefernotto Sep 14, 2015 • 5:37:43am

re: #135 aagcobb

Being a religious fundamentalist generally isn’t considered a mental illness, even when it causes people to roll around babbling gibberish or handle venomous snakes that bite and kill them. We have a bunch of such crazies here in Ky. I’m related to some of them (not the snake handlers, though).

Perhap it should be…

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate Sep 14, 2015 • 5:39:32am

Wikipedia must have hurt China’s feelings, ~~because it’s now blocked.~~

blockedinchina.net

And now it’s accessible. Go figure.

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LastYearsMan Sep 14, 2015 • 5:48:23am

Oh, god, now the billionaires wanting to jump into politics is piling up. Cue Mark Cuban.

At least Cuban is closer to sane. But it’s pretty screwed up that America’s billionaires are all starting to think “At last, our time has come!”

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Dark_Falcon Sep 14, 2015 • 5:48:34am

re: #138 Iwouldprefernotto

Perhap it should be…

drive by comment:

No, it shouldn’t be. Kim Davis isn’t crazy, she simply considers reason to be of far lesser importance than obedience to God. That’s not insane, thou it’s quite wrong in her case.

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I Stand With Planned Parenthood Sep 14, 2015 • 5:50:01am

re: #4 freetoken

Part of the very appeal of Ben Carson (and for that matter, Trump) to the masses of wingnuts is that Ben is playing the I’m-just-like-you card. This is an appeal to a portion of the electorate who feel pushed around by, for lack of a better phrase, Big Scholar - the highly educated elite who collect themselves around major institutions in large cities.

Perhaps an Atlantic article featuring pictures of his house, his closet, his car, his 2nd and 3rd homes if he has them.

I’m sure it will show that he is just like the people who will vote for him.

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Romantic Heretic Sep 14, 2015 • 5:50:02am

re: #5 Camacho DeezNuts 2016

Had a TwitBot display extremely faulty logic today. I tweeted that the responses were illogical: her response was ‘I got a 100 on Logic 101 in Grad School.’

Something doesn’t sound right to this HS graduate.

I didn’t know Liberty university had a grad school. Huh. //

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Bird in the Paw Sep 14, 2015 • 5:51:34am

re: #137 aagcobb

That makes sense. She is not the arbiter of what is a legal marriage, she’s a clerk. An elected official who doesn’t decide squat.

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klys (maker of Silmarils) Sep 14, 2015 • 5:52:27am

Video from someone who was shooting a real estate project up in the Hoberg area when the fire started. You can see some of the initial response and evacuation, plus get an idea of just how fast it was moving (particularly the last 7-8 minutes or so).

Valley Fire - California 09/13/15 1080P Hidden Valley/Middletown/Cobb

Some of the language may be NSFW, plus there is a decent amount of wind noise. I recommend keeping the volume down.

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Bird in the Paw Sep 14, 2015 • 5:52:55am

re: #141 Dark_Falcon

drive by comment:

No, it shouldn’t be. Kim Davis isn’t crazy, she simply considers reason to be of far lesser importance than obedience to God. That’s not insane, thou it’s quite wrong in her case.

Some of us think that belief in a sky-fairy is a mental illness.

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I Stand With Planned Parenthood Sep 14, 2015 • 5:53:41am

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aagcobb Sep 14, 2015 • 5:55:25am

re: #146 Bird in the Paw

Some of us think that belief in a sky-fairy is a mental illness.

Even a lot of people who don’t believe in sky-fairies believe in similarly ridiculous things without evidence, like space alien visitations, big foot and homeopathic medicine. We can’t consider them all mentally ill.

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Iwouldprefernotto Sep 14, 2015 • 5:55:27am

re: #140 LastYearsMan

Oh, god, now the billionaires wanting to jump into politics is piling up. Cue Mark Cuban.

At least Cuban is closer to sane. But it’s pretty screwed up that America’s billionaires are all starting to think “At last, our time has come!”

Sums it up:

“The idea of imperfect candidates with forceful ideas opens the door for a lot of people that would not have previously run,” said Cuban,

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Bird in the Paw Sep 14, 2015 • 5:56:32am

re: #148 aagcobb

Take all my fun away. Pout.

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klys (maker of Silmarils) Sep 14, 2015 • 5:57:24am

re: #146 Bird in the Paw

Some of us think that belief in a sky-fairy is a mental illness.

There are a number of religious Lizards who really don’t deserve that comment at all.

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I Stand With Planned Parenthood Sep 14, 2015 • 5:57:28am

Migrant crisis: Germany starts temporary border controls

I’m confused. What is the difference between a migrant and a refugee? I thought the people involved were refugees.

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Dr. Matt Sep 14, 2015 • 5:58:48am

Kentucky clerk Kim Davis vows not to authorize same-sex marriage licenses

“Effective immediately, and until an accommodation is provided by those with the authority to provide it, any marriage license issued by my office will not be issued or authorized by me,” Davis said.

[..]

U.S. District Judge David Bunning “indicated last week that he was willing to accept altered marriage license even though he was not certain of their validity,” Davis said. “I, too, have great doubts whether the license issued under these conditions are even valid.”

Throw the psychotic asshole back in jail. Enough is enough.

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klys (maker of Silmarils) Sep 14, 2015 • 5:58:49am

From Saturday, jumping Highway 29 near Middletown. All lanes were reversed to allow maximum outflow:

ValleyFire near Middletown, as the fire jumped Highway 29….

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I Stand With Planned Parenthood Sep 14, 2015 • 6:01:38am

re: #148 aagcobb

Even a lot of people who don’t believe in sky-fairies believe in similarly ridiculous things without evidence, like space alien visitations, big foot and homeopathic medicine. We can’t consider them all mentally ill.

I’ve always thought that the sky-fairy analogy sounds more like alien intervention. Q —the character on Star Trek.

We have stories we tell children to help them understand the nature of the universe. As we grow-up we (hopefully) realize that it’s not so simple.

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Fourth Football of the Apocalypse Sep 14, 2015 • 6:01:45am

sent him the following official letter, accompanied by a flash drive filled with scientific evidence

“OK, yes, but where’s the evidence?!?!??!?!?!”

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LastYearsMan Sep 14, 2015 • 6:03:25am

re: #145 klys (maker of Silmarils)

Are my values all screwed up that my main thought (besides “wow”) was “poor cows”?

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Fourth Football of the Apocalypse Sep 14, 2015 • 6:06:04am

re: #153 Dr. Matt

MOREHEAD, Ky. — Kim Davis, county clerk of Rowan County, Ky., returned to work Monday, saying she will not issue any marriage licenses that go against her religious beliefs — but she left the door open for her deputies to continue to issue marriage licenses to same-sex couples as long as those documents do not have Davis’ name or title on them.

What a drama queen this woman.

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b.d. Sep 14, 2015 • 6:06:42am

In solidarity with Kim, I vow today to not do my job but I won’t complain too loudly if my co-workers do theirs.

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klys (maker of Silmarils) Sep 14, 2015 • 6:06:46am

re: #157 LastYearsMan

Are my values all screwed up that my main thought (besides “wow”) was “poor cows”?

No, I think it’s easier in some ways to grasp the risk the cows are in. Plus it wasn’t their fault for being there.

I admit I am hoping they somehow survived, although it seems unlikely.

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I Stand With Planned Parenthood Sep 14, 2015 • 6:07:22am

from my unpublished Page on Marriage, sex and American Law:

1984 Zablocki v. Redhail , 434 U. S. 374, where the Court invalidated
a law barring fathers delinquent on child-support payments from
marrying. (WISCONSIN) — also note tht Zablocki, was the Milwaulkee County Clerk

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Timothy Watson Sep 14, 2015 • 6:07:23am

re: #153 Dr. Matt

U.S. District Judge David Bunning “indicated last week that he was willing to accept altered marriage license even though he was not certain of their validity,” Davis said. “I, too, have great doubts whether the license issued under these conditions are even valid.”

That judge is such a putz. She can comply with the court order by “issuing” licenses which aren’t worth the paper they’re printed on?

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Fourth Football of the Apocalypse Sep 14, 2015 • 6:07:50am

re: #125 goddamnedfrank

Right now the Grand Rapids Feminist Film Festival is scrambling. They will be made to look like fools. Fun will be had by all.
— Steven Crowder

I thought UpChuck had been banned by Twitter?

////

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b.d. Sep 14, 2015 • 6:09:07am

So Kim is basically on paid government assistance since she won’t work and still draws a check, where is the wingnut outrage at that?

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klys (maker of Silmarils) Sep 14, 2015 • 6:09:08am

re: #162 Timothy Watson

That judge is such a putz. She can comply with the court order by “issuing” licenses which aren’t worth the paper they’re printed on?

We have no evidence beyond Kim saying this that the judge doubts the validity of the licenses.

I do not regard her as a credible source.

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light) Sep 14, 2015 • 6:10:43am

re: #120 freetoken

THE LATEST: GERMANY EXPECTS 1 MILLION MIGRANTS THIS YEAR

I wonder how long it will be before domestic backlash leads to more draconian measures taken to stop the flow of immigrants.

See: Merkel Ally Sees Risks in Chancellor’s Refugee Policy Developing

Up to now, a majority of Germans has been open and welcoming, but they are starting to get fed up - not so much with the immigrants as the with politicians who allow this situation to get out of hand so quickly.

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I Stand With Planned Parenthood Sep 14, 2015 • 6:10:49am

VOCABULARY WORD OF THE DAY:

doryphore

PRONUNCIATION:
(DOR-uh-for)

MEANING:
noun: A pedantic or persistent critic.

ETYMOLOGY:
From French doryphore (Colorado beetle, a potato pest), from Greek doruphoros (spear carrier). The author Harold Nicolson brought the word to English in its current sense. Earliest documented use: 1952.

USAGE:
“Do you wind everyone up because you are nothing more than a doryphore?”
Tom Whitehead; Doryphores Must Keep Away from Dinner Parties; The Scotsman (Edinburgh, Scotland); Oct 25, 2001.

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freetoken Sep 14, 2015 • 6:11:25am

Local news outlet just posted a dashcam video, from Sunday - yesterday. Amazing to see all the buring along the side of the road as the driver goes on by:

Valley Fire driving tour Middletown to Cobb September 13 2015

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Timothy Watson Sep 14, 2015 • 6:12:13am

re: #165 klys (maker of Silmarils)

We have no evidence beyond Kim saying this that the judge doubts the validity of the licenses.

I do not regard her as a credible source.

The judge said it open court.

Bunning said he did not know if the licenses were valid but ordered them issued anyway.

wcpo.com

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Iwouldprefernotto Sep 14, 2015 • 6:14:00am

re: #141 Dark_Falcon

drive by comment:

No, it shouldn’t be. Kim Davis isn’t crazy, she simply considers reason to be of far lesser importance than obedience to God. That’s not insane, thou it’s quite wrong in her case.

My problem is with Fundamentalism of any religion. The world has changed, we have much more science since the Bible was written (and rewritten/poorly translated). Fundamentalists refuse to accept that life/society has changed.

The mentally ill also have problems seeing the world as it is.

Are they the same? Not exactly, but in many cases the comparison is an honest one. Both are extremely rigid in their thought process. Kim Davis crosses the line not because of what she believes, but because she thinks that god has instructed her to deny the rights of others. At the very least we can argue that her religion has clouded her judgment.

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I Stand With Planned Parenthood Sep 14, 2015 • 6:15:09am

10 diseases where medical marijuana could have impact

I’m all for legal weed. The moratorium on legal research into it’s medical benefits has been way longer than ever necessary. But —asthma??

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klys (maker of Silmarils) Sep 14, 2015 • 6:15:59am

re: #169 Timothy Watson

The judge said it open court.

wcpo.com

Fair enough, although my takeaway from the article is that when he said that, he was indicating he was not making a legal ruling on whether or not they were valid after Kim’s lawyers claimed that they would not be, while the state lawyers said they would be.

And again, I don’t really regard Kim’s lawyers as a valid source for the law.

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light) Sep 14, 2015 • 6:16:02am

re: #170 Iwouldprefernotto

My problem is with Fundamentalism of any religion. The world has changed, we have much more science since the Bible was written (and rewritten/poorly translated). Fundamentalists refuse to accept that life/society has changed.

We cannot begin to explain to these people that the Sacrament of Holy Matrimony is no longer identical with the civil status of marriage, because these people are too dense and closed-minded to understand the distinction.

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I Stand With Planned Parenthood Sep 14, 2015 • 6:17:58am

re: #170 Iwouldprefernotto

My problem is with Fundamentalism of any religion. The world has changed, we have much more science since the Bible was written (and rewritten/poorly translated). Fundamentalists refuse to accept that life/society has changed.

The mentally ill also have problems seeing the world as it is.

Are they the same? Not exactly, but in many cases the comparison is an honest one. Both are extremely rigid in their thought process. Kim Davis crosses the line not because of what she believes, but because she thinks that god has instructed her to deny the rights of others. At the very least we can argue that her religion has clouded her judgment.

I think Kim is mentally ill. I think she falls somewhere on the narcissist scale. The idea that one is divinely ordered to behave a certain way to the extent that one will deny the law — is not healthy. It’s as if she feels she is single-handedly holding back the forces of evil. This is Fantasy Novel material.

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klys (maker of Silmarils) Sep 14, 2015 • 6:18:26am

These same crews worked over night and saved multiple homes. Today they helped in a different yet need way. pic.twitter.com/iM7ZNxRUM3

— SacFire PIO (@SacFirePIO) September 14, 2015

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light) Sep 14, 2015 • 6:20:25am

re: #174 I Stand With Planned Parenthood

I think Kim is mentally ill. I think she falls somewhere on the narcissist scale. The idea that one is divinely ordered to behave a certain way to the extent that one will deny the law — is not healthy. It’s as if she feels she is single-handedly holding back the forces of evil. This is Fantasy Novel material.

Not to mention selectively enforcing Biblical law. Or she would not be issuing licenses to anyone who has been divorced, either…

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I Stand With Planned Parenthood Sep 14, 2015 • 6:20:29am

re: #173 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

We cannot begin to explain to these people that the Sacrament of Holy Matrimony is no longer identical with the civil status of marriage, because these people are too dense and closed-minded to understand the distinction.

Perhaps they should learn about some other countries in which it is still handled that way. I knew a couple from one European country that thad to have to marriages —one civil —which was the norm and a second in church because that is what they wanted. I wanna say the country was Liechtenstein.

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light) Sep 14, 2015 • 6:21:45am

re: #177 I Stand With Planned Parenthood

Perhaps they should learn about some other countries in which it is still handled that way. I knew a couple from one European country that thad to have to marriages —one civil —which was the norm and a second in church because that is what they wanted. I wanna say the country was Liechtenstein.

It is the same in Germany: you need an entry in the civil register. Church service is optional.

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Decatur Deb Sep 14, 2015 • 6:23:49am

re: #146 Bird in the Paw

Some of us think that belief in a sky-fairy is a mental illness.

Then crazy becomes the statistical norm.

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Bird in the Paw Sep 14, 2015 • 6:25:51am

Pierson’s Puppetere: #179 Decatur Deb

Then crazy becomes the statistical norm.

Pierson’s Puppeteers.

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Dr. Matt Sep 14, 2015 • 6:28:49am

It’s just a matter of time before another skeleton appears from Krazy Kim’s Kloset. Like all wingnuts, they are hypocritical deeply, flawed characters whether it’s Hobby Lobby Holly, Dinesh, the Duggars, O’Reilly, Nugent, Huckabee Family, etc., etc

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I Stand With Planned Parenthood Sep 14, 2015 • 6:28:52am

Egyptian prime minister, Cabinet resign; elections are around the corner

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scottslemmons Sep 14, 2015 • 6:29:21am

re: #174 I Stand With Planned Parenthood

I think Kim is mentally ill. I think she falls somewhere on the narcissist scale. The idea that one is divinely ordered to behave a certain way to the extent that one will deny the law — is not healthy. It’s as if she feels she is single-handedly holding back the forces of evil. This is Fantasy Novel material.

Interestingly, I just finished a book this weekend about how the Satanic Panic affected D&D and other roleplaying games. A point made consistently in the book was that all of the moral panickers were participating in their own kind of game where they roleplayed as the heroes fighting against a global demonic conspiracy that could never actually exist — basically, an ARG where the participants had forgotten it was a game. While they loved talking about gamers who could no longer tell the difference between themselves and their game characters, the moral panickers were themselves the perfect examples of that behavior.

And to bring it back on topic: Yes, Kim Davis and her supporters have very much lost track of reality so they can go on pretending to be the heroes of the game they’re playing out in their heads…

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I Stand With Planned Parenthood Sep 14, 2015 • 6:30:36am

re: #183 scottslemmons

Interestingly, I just finished a book this weekend about how the Satanic Panic affected D&D and other roleplaying games. A point made consistently in the book was that all of the moral panickers were participating in their own kind of game where they roleplayed as the heroes fighting against a global demonic conspiracy that could never actually exist — basically, an ARG where the participants had forgotten it was a game. While they loved talking about gamers who could no longer tell the difference between themselves and their game characters, the moral panickers were themselves the perfect examples of that behavior.

And to bring it back on topic: Yes, Kim Davis and her supporters have very much lost track of reality so they can go on pretending to be the heroes of the game they’re playing out in their heads…

It takes a hell of an ego to do that, IMHO.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate Sep 14, 2015 • 6:30:55am

re: #172 klys (maker of Silmarils)

Fair enough, although my takeaway from the article is that when he said that, he was indicating he was not making a legal ruling on whether or not they were valid after Kim’s lawyers claimed that they would not be, while the state lawyers said they would be.

And again, I don’t really regard Kim’s lawyers as a valid source for the law.

I’m sure it’s been quoted here previously, but here it what the Kentucky Revised Statutes say:

402.080 Marriage license required — Who may issue.
No marriage shall be solemnized without a license therefor. The license shall be issued by the clerk of the county in which the female resides at the time, unless the female is eighteen (18) years of age or over or a widow, and the license is issued on her application in person or by writing signed by her, in which case it may be issued by any county clerk.

Effective: July 13, 1984
History: Amended 1984 Ky. Acts ch. 279, sec. 1, effective July 13, 1984. — Amended
1980 Ky. Acts ch. 74, sec. 1, effective July 15, 1980. — Amended 1978 Ky. Acts ch.
384, sec. 518, effective June 17, 1978. — Amended 1968 Ky. Acts ch. 100, sec. 14. —
Amended 1948 Ky. Acts ch. 42, sec. 1. — Recodified 1942 Ky. Acts ch. 208, sec. 1,
effective October 1, 1942, from Ky. Stat. sec. 2105.

402.100 Marriage license — Marriage certificate — Confidentiality of Social
Security numbers.
Each county clerk shall use the form prescribed by the Department for Libraries and
Archives when issuing a marriage license. This form shall provide for the entering of all of the information required in this section, and may also provide for the entering of
additional information prescribed by the Department for Libraries and Archives. The
form shall consist of:
(1) A marriage license which provides for the entering of:
(a) An authorization statement of the county clerk issuing the license for any
person or religious society authorized to perform marriage ceremonies to unite
in marriage the persons named;
(b) Vital information for each party, including the full name, date of birth, place
of birth, race, condition (single, widowed, or divorced), number of previous
marriages, occupation, current residence, relationship to the other party, and
full names of parents; and
(c) The date and place the license is issued, and the signature of the county clerk
or deputy clerk issuing the license

IANAL, but it seems clear that deputy clerk signature validates the license.

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CleverToad Sep 14, 2015 • 6:31:02am

re: #153 Dr. Matt

It’s the one-step-beyond pettiness that bugs me. The article says that the interim solution Ms. Davis (or her lawyers) are demanding is that she won’t stop the clerks from issuing the certificates, but that those certificates must not have her name or title on them {the previous demand} AND “must also state that they are issued pursuant to a federal court order” {let’s up the ante again, shall we?}

She (or lawyers) still insist that they are in charge and can set the terms, just short of the outright refusal that would land her back in jail. Draw it out, push the limits, see what precedents they can set for the next cases they’re probably lining up for additional clerks with ‘conscience’ concerns.

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aagcobb Sep 14, 2015 • 6:32:10am

re: #153 Dr. Matt

Kentucky clerk Kim Davis vows not to authorize same-sex marriage licenses

Throw the psychotic asshole back in jail. Enough is enough.

Don’t. That might punch teabagger Matt Bevin’s ticket to the Governor’s Mansion.

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Decatur Deb Sep 14, 2015 • 6:32:40am

re: #184 I Stand With Planned Parenthood

It takes a hell of an ego to do that, IMHO.

Which applies to just about every religious, political, military, media, and artistic leader.

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b.d. Sep 14, 2015 • 6:33:25am

Does Huckabee’s offer to get thrown in jail instead of Kim still stand?

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate Sep 14, 2015 • 6:33:30am

re: #186 CleverToad

It’s the one-step-beyond pettiness that bugs me. The article says that the interim solution Ms. Davis (or her lawyers) are demanding is that she won’t stop the clerks from issuing the certificates, but that those certificates must not have her name or title on them {the previous demand} AND “must also state that they are issued pursuant to a federal court order” {let’s up the ante again, shall we?}

She (or lawyers) still insist that they are in charge and can set the terms, just short of the outright refusal that would land her back in jail. Draw it out, push the limits, see what precedents they can set for the next cases they’re probably lining up for additional clerks with ‘conscience’ concerns.

From the KRS statute I just quoted above, the demand that the licenses state they were issued under a federal court order is untenable, since the license format is proscribed by state law.

Also, she’s a clerk, not the legislature, the governor or the judge-executive. She doesn’t make the rules. She’s supposed to follow them.

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aagcobb Sep 14, 2015 • 6:34:31am

re: #162 Timothy Watson

That judge is such a putz. She can comply with the court order by “issuing” licenses which aren’t worth the paper they’re printed on?

No, the licenses will be valid.

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scottslemmons Sep 14, 2015 • 6:34:55am

re: #184 I Stand With Planned Parenthood

It takes a hell of an ego to do that, IMHO.

Part of it is ego, I think. The book made it clear there were a lot of different kinds of people playing these games. Some of them were in it for money, some for power, some for thrills. Some were crooks, some were legitimately mentally ill. A decently large subset did it because they couldn’t make sense of the world, so they grasped at the conspiracy theory that would let them be The Hero Who Understands Everything.

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Decatur Deb Sep 14, 2015 • 6:35:28am

re: #191 aagcobb

No, the licenses will be valid.

Except in Kimlandia.

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Alyosha Sep 14, 2015 • 6:35:43am

Just dropped in to say that although we still have a conservative government, Malcolm Turnbull removed a blight on our government. No longer will reading about Texas’ governor remind me of the national embarrassment that was our erstwhile PM.
Just wanted to share my elation.
Lurk mode re-engaged.

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Fourth Football of the Apocalypse Sep 14, 2015 • 6:36:49am

Today from PayPal:

We check account activity in the PayPal system regularly. Time checking account, we find that the activity you are breaking some agreement you have with us.
Therefore, we have limited your account and can no longer offer service to you. You can still log in to view transaction history, but you can not send or receive payment.

What is the problem?
We pay attention to one or more of the following problems:
1.You provide the information that we believe is false information, incorrect, or misleading; or.
2.You send and receive money that may be associated with fraudulent activities; or
3.You have several accounts that contain a negative balance; or
4.You violate the User Agreement, Commercial Entity Agreement (Commercial Agency Agreement), Appropriate Use Policy, or other agreements you have with PayPal.

The wording of this is pretty suspicious, but they tell me to log into my account rather than to respond to the email, which makes it sound more legit.

But I hovered over the “link” to my PayPal account they provided me and it shows this—

paipel.me

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aagcobb Sep 14, 2015 • 6:37:19am

re: #174 I Stand With Planned Parenthood

I think Kim is mentally ill. I think she falls somewhere on the narcissist scale. The idea that one is divinely ordered to behave a certain way to the extent that one will deny the law — is not healthy. It’s as if she feels she is single-handedly holding back the forces of evil. This is Fantasy Novel material.

Wingnuts have compared her to Rosa Parks and MLK for her civil disobedience, when she is really more like George Wallace.

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Fourth Football of the Apocalypse Sep 14, 2015 • 6:38:22am

re: #190 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

Also, she’s a clerk, not the legislature, the governor or the judge-executive. She doesn’t make the rules. She’s supposed to follow them.

She’s on a Mission from G-d.

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freetoken Sep 14, 2015 • 6:38:54am

So, the weather service says we might get some rain over the next 48 hours. They attribute it to moisture from now long dissipated hurricane Linda. I don’t know how that is possible since she broke up several days ago, with the upper level clouds getting caught up into the stream that moved over the central part of the continent. Maybe this is the lower level air mass that has been adrift off the coast finally coming ashore. Anyway, we are desperate for rain here.

I look at the water vapor loop and just don’t see any remnant of Linda:
weather.gov

But, who am I to disagree with the NWS. There are some low clouds this morning.

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I Stand With Planned Parenthood Sep 14, 2015 • 6:39:01am

re: #192 scottslemmons

Part of it is ego, I think. The book made it clear there were a lot of different kinds of people playing these games. Some of them were in it for money, some for power, some for thrills. Some were crooks, some were legitimately mentally ill. A decently large subset did it because they couldn’t make sense of the world, so they grasped at the conspiracy theory that would let them be The Hero Who Understands Everything.

The world doesn’t make sense to small human minds. This is why we have so much fun learning about it. Only if we are humble can we accept this and move forward. Humility the opposite of Ego.

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Decatur Deb Sep 14, 2015 • 6:39:09am

re: #197 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse

She’s on a Mission from G-d.

Sometimes god is just sending you on a snipe hunt for the lulz.

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I Stand With Planned Parenthood Sep 14, 2015 • 6:39:56am

re: #195 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse

I think the wording “you are breaking some agreement …” does it for me.

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I Stand With Planned Parenthood Sep 14, 2015 • 6:40:58am

re: #200 Decatur Deb

Sometimes god is just sending you on a snipe hunt for the lulz.

G-d doesn’t send me on missions —he usually hits me over the head and says “hey stupid, have you been paying attention to what is right under your nose?”

LOL

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b.d. Sep 14, 2015 • 6:41:30am

re: #190 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

From the KRS statute I just quoted above, the demand that the licenses state they were issued under a federal court order is untenable, since the license format is proscribed by state law.

Also, she’s a clerk, not the legislature, the governor or the judge-executive. She doesn’t make the rules. She’s supposed to follow them.

It’s as if Ron Paul was Treasury Secretary and refused to have his signature on currency.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate Sep 14, 2015 • 6:43:01am

More KRS statutes. This one caught my eye:

402.990 Penalties
(10) Any county clerk who violates any of the provisions of KRS 402.110 or 402.230
shall be guilty of a violation.

402.110 says the clerk must make sure the license is completely filled per state requirements.

402.230 says the clerk must ensure the marriage license and certificate are properly filed, and the marriage duly recorded.

In my non-lawyerly opinion, 402.110 suggests the license cannot be altered in any way. Likewise, regardless of who signs the license, Davis as the clerk has to ensure the marriage is filed and recorded. If she refuses to “authorize” SSMs, she’s in violation of state law.

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HappyWarrior Sep 14, 2015 • 6:44:38am

re: #196 aagcobb

Wingnuts have compared her to Rosa Parks and MLK for her civil disobedience, when she is really more like George Wallace.

Wallace, Ross Barnett, etc. Really, MLK and Rosa Parks wanted to be treated as equals. Kim Davis wants to discriminate against gays because she doesn’t view them as equals. Comparing her to Wallace I think is 100% spot on and conversely saying she’s like MLK or Parks shows an ignorance of what the Civil Rights movement and civil rights as a whole is all about. Kim is free to believe whatever she wants to about gays but as a public servant, she must treat them as equals. She can believe whatever shit she wants in her bigoted church but if she’s going to continue to be an official of Rowan County, she has to accept their equality under the law. Sorry I know I’m rambling and I know everyone here gets that but it it’s amazing how many people “out there” don’t.

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Fourth Football of the Apocalypse Sep 14, 2015 • 6:44:54am

re: #204 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

402.110 says the clerk must make sure the license is completely filled per state requirements.

hurr hurr are State does not allow SSM only SCOTUS no state law!!!11

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I Stand With Planned Parenthood Sep 14, 2015 • 6:45:49am

Kim is playing her role in the Whacko’s attempt to repeal the 14th amendment.

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HappyWarrior Sep 14, 2015 • 6:47:08am

re: #207 I Stand With Planned Parenthood

Kim is playing her role in the Whacko’s attempt to repeal the 14th amendment.

Yep.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate Sep 14, 2015 • 6:47:21am

re: #206 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse

hurr hurr are State does not allow SSM only SCOTUS no state law!!!11

Well, yeah, KY has a statute that says SSMs from another jurisdiction are “void” and “unenforceable.” The SCOTUS decision invalidated that provision, but nutters do not accept judicial review except when it suits them.

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HappyWarrior Sep 14, 2015 • 6:49:00am

The other problem I have with allowing Kim to get her way is it would really create a terrible precedent for county clerks to deem permits for whatever they have a religious problem with but that our law does not. Lt. Governor of Newsom posed the question about a Quaker or other clerk belonging to a pacifist sect denying a gun permit based on their personal opposition to violence.

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Bird in the Paw Sep 14, 2015 • 6:49:01am

I’ve asked this question before, do the wingnuts not understand how the SCOTUS works within the construct of the constitution? Ok, rherorical.

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Fourth Football of the Apocalypse Sep 14, 2015 • 6:50:20am

re: #211 Bird in the Paw

I’ve asked this question before, do the wingnuts not understand how the SCOTUS works within the construct of the constitution? Ok, rherorical.

RWNJ know and love the Constitution moar than we do. They say so. And they’re Patriots.

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Backwoods_Sleuth Sep 14, 2015 • 6:50:26am

Without her name, title on licenses or her authorization behind them, Kim Davis says she has “grave doubts” whether they’re valid. ^JC

— Bluegrass Politics (@BGPolitics) September 14, 2015

However, Ky family law experts say if 2 people in good faith believe their marriage is valid, then wording on license not relevant. ^JC

— Bluegrass Politics (@BGPolitics) September 14, 2015

Brian Mason, most famous deputy county clerk in U.S., says he will continue to issue marriage licenses in Rowan. ^JC pic.twitter.com/QX6O1zQUsJ

— Bluegrass Politics (@BGPolitics) September 14, 2015

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HappyWarrior Sep 14, 2015 • 6:50:44am

re: #211 Bird in the Paw

I’ve asked this question before, do the wingnuts not understand how the SCOTUS works within the construct of the constitution? Ok, rherorical.

I honestly don’t think they do. Some I think like Cruz are panderers but Huckabee’s statements this past week to me showed that he doesn’t understand law at all. Or hell furthermore that he thinks that our society should put his God’s law before civil law. Huckabee basically outd himself as a theocrat and worse yet, he doesn’t see anything wrong with that.

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HappyWarrior Sep 14, 2015 • 6:51:09am

re: #213 Backwoods_Sleuth

[Embedded content]

Mason is the real hero here.

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Decatur Deb Sep 14, 2015 • 6:51:58am

re: #211 Bird in the Paw

I’ve asked this question before, do the wingnuts not understand how the SCOTUS works within the construct of the constitution? Ok, rherorical.

They missed that episode of Mayberry, RFD.

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Decatur Deb Sep 14, 2015 • 6:53:44am

re: #214 HappyWarrior

I honestly don’t think they do. Some I think like Cruz are panderers but Huckabee’s statements this past week to me showed that he doesn’t understand law at all. Or hell furthermore that he thinks that our society should put his God’s law before civil law. Huckabee basically outd himself as a theocrat and worse yet, he doesn’t see anything wrong with that.

It must have been a joy to work on Huckabee’s staff when he was governor.

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HappyWarrior Sep 14, 2015 • 6:54:25am

re: #217 Decatur Deb

It must have been a joy to work on Huckabee’s staff when he was governor.

Heh I bet.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate Sep 14, 2015 • 6:56:00am

re: #211 Bird in the Paw

I’ve asked this question before, do the wingnuts not understand how the SCOTUS works within the construct of the constitution? Ok, rherorical.

They don’t, and further don’t accept the principle of judicial review established nearly 200 years ago by the Marshall court.The nutters squeal like stuck pigs when SCOTUS strikes down one of their pet laws, but preen like barnyard cocks when SCOTUS rules in their favor (see which, Citizens United and the Hobby Lobby cases)

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Decatur Deb Sep 14, 2015 • 6:59:27am

re: #215 HappyWarrior

Mason is the real hero here.

Deputy Chief of Sick-of-This-Shit.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate Sep 14, 2015 • 6:59:42am

re: #213 Backwoods_Sleuth

Is your interpretation of KRS the same as mine (see above)? If Davis refuses to authorize (whatever that means), her deputies can do it, and the licenses will be valid. If she alters the licenses, or refuses to record them, then she’s in violation of state law. That’s my take.

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Fourth Football of the Apocalypse Sep 14, 2015 • 7:00:49am

re: #221 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

Is your interpretation of KRS the same as mine (see above)? If Davis refuses to authorize (whatever that means), her deputies can do it, and the licenses will be valid. If she alters the licenses, or refuses to record them, then she’s in violation of state law. That’s my take.

Send in the ~~clowns~~ OATHKEEPERS to protect Kim Davis!!!!!1

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Backwoods_Sleuth Sep 14, 2015 • 7:01:30am

re: #221 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

Is your interpretation of KRS the same as mine (see above)? If Davis refuses to authorize (whatever that means), her deputies can do it, and the licenses will be valid. If she alters the licenses, or refuses to record them, then she’s in violation of state law. That’s my take.

yes, I agree with you.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate Sep 14, 2015 • 7:02:19am

Besides, exactly how many people in ~~Grayson~~ Rowan County want a same-sex marriage? It doesn’t strike me as a hotbed of same-sex couples, but I could be wrong.

EDITED to correct brain fart.

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HappyWarrior Sep 14, 2015 • 7:02:56am

I always found conservative judicial philosophy arrogant. The insistence that they and only they are following what the Founders would have wanted. Honestly, I have a problem with strict constructionism for the simple reason that we’re a different country in 2015 than we were in 1795. Hell we were a different country in 1895. We should continue to adhere to the general principles set forth by the Constitution but we shouldn’t take it literally word for word. Even Jefferson realized that societies change.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate Sep 14, 2015 • 7:03:12am

re: #223 Backwoods_Sleuth

yes, I agree with you.

Then she’s likely to be called into the judge’s office for a little chat.

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Fourth Football of the Apocalypse Sep 14, 2015 • 7:03:20am

Please find enclosed a flash drive with the complete United Nations Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) “Synthesis Report,”

“What is this flash drive thing of which you speak? It looks plastic. Whare are the documents evidence???”

228

I Stand With Planned Parenthood Sep 14, 2015 • 7:07:06am

Google Maps Now Shows You if Climate Change Will Put Your Home Underwater

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Backwoods_Sleuth Sep 14, 2015 • 7:08:02am

My internet went out about 10 pm Saturday and came back at 8:30 this morning.
Talking with the Windstream tech support guy yesterday, he said it was an unexplained systemwide outage in Kentucky.
I told him I blamed Kim Davis because god was obviously smiting all of us here due to her stupidity.
We had a really fun discussion about eejits. He was in Louisiana and was bemoaning the fact that Jindal does the same thing for them.
And we both think Huckabee and Cruz are pathetic.

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Backwoods_Sleuth Sep 14, 2015 • 7:08:55am

re: #224 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

Besides, exactly how many people in Grayson County want a same-sex marriage? It doesn’t strike me as a hotbed of same-sex couples, but I could be wrong.

Not a “hotbed”, per se, but it’s not uncommon in the least.

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Backwoods_Sleuth Sep 14, 2015 • 7:09:29am

re: #224 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

Besides, exactly how many people in ~~Grayson~~ Rowan County want a same-sex marriage? It doesn’t strike me as a hotbed of same-sex couples, but I could be wrong.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate Sep 14, 2015 • 7:09:46am

re: #230 Backwoods_Sleuth

Not a “hotbed”, per se, but it’s not uncommon in the least.

Damned Morehead State, corrupting the good people of the county! //

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Iwouldprefernotto Sep 14, 2015 • 7:10:25am

re: #189 b.d.

Does Huckabee’s offer to get thrown in jail instead of Kim still stand?

It’s about as valid as Hannity’s offer to be waterboarded.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate Sep 14, 2015 • 7:11:18am

re: #231 Backwoods_Sleuth

Yeah, Grayson is in Rowan County. Grayson County is another place, but its county seat is not named Rowan.

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I Stand With Planned Parenthood Sep 14, 2015 • 7:12:19am

Amur Tiger Released —Russia

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Decatur Deb Sep 14, 2015 • 7:12:31am

re: #224 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

Besides, exactly how many people in Grayson County want a same-sex marriage? It doesn’t strike me as a hotbed of same-sex couples, but I could be wrong.

Rowan County is a hotbed of liberalism. That is, it’s a “moist” county where local cities can allow alcohol sales.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate Sep 14, 2015 • 7:13:09am

re: #236 Decatur Deb

Rowan County is a hotbed of liberalism. That is, it’s a “moist” county where local cities can allow alcohol sales.

Probably allows dancing, too.

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HappyWarrior Sep 14, 2015 • 7:13:37am

re: #236 Decatur Deb

Rowan County is a hotbed of liberalism. That is, it’s a “moist” county where local cities can allow alcohol sales.

Move over Bronson.

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I Stand With Planned Parenthood Sep 14, 2015 • 7:13:39am

tigers.panda.org

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Decatur Deb Sep 14, 2015 • 7:14:31am

re: #237 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

Probably allows dancing, too.

Only if the caller is a deacon.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate Sep 14, 2015 • 7:14:35am

re: #235 I Stand With Planned Parenthood

Amur Tiger Released —Russia

I wonder if this one will defect to China like Putin’s pets did.

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aagcobb Sep 14, 2015 • 7:14:40am

re: #214 HappyWarrior

I honestly don’t think they do. Some I think like Cruz are panderers but Huckabee’s statements this past week to me showed that he doesn’t understand law at all. Or hell furthermore that he thinks that our society should put his God’s law before civil law. Huckabee basically outd himself as a theocrat and worse yet, he doesn’t see anything wrong with that.

He is desperate to prove to Iowa Caucus goers that he is the most God fearing candidate in the race. He, Santorum, Jindal and even Scott Walker badly need a strong showing in Iowa to remain viable in the race, but Trump is vacuuming up the xenophobes and Carson is getting the fundies.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate Sep 14, 2015 • 7:16:18am

I’m calling it a night. See y’all later.

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aagcobb Sep 14, 2015 • 7:17:29am

re: #221 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

Is your interpretation of KRS the same as mine (see above)? If Davis refuses to authorize (whatever that means), her deputies can do it, and the licenses will be valid. If she alters the licenses, or refuses to record them, then she’s in violation of state law. That’s my take.

I’m inclined to agree with you, not that Davis will be prosecuted. AG Jack Conway decided not to appoint a special prosecutor at the request of the Rowan Count Attorney. He said the ball is in Judge Bunning’s Court, but Conway is also in a very tight race for Governor, and the last thing he needs is to martyr Kim Davis anymore than she already is.

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HappyWarrior Sep 14, 2015 • 7:17:37am

re: #242 aagcobb

He is desperate to prove to Iowa Caucus goers that he is the most God fearing candidate in the race. He, Santorum, Jindal and even Scott Walker badly need a strong showing in Iowa to remain viable in the race, but Trump is vacuuming up the xenophobes and Carson is getting the fundies.

Yeah he wants to be the Christianist candidate.

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I Stand With Planned Parenthood Sep 14, 2015 • 7:17:37am

Did you know that dogs have an inherent fear of tigers? Even before they have been trained, the dogs will display some sort of reaction to any tiger based products.

How Dogs are Tackling Wildlife Crime. —WWF
Sniffer dogs detect wildlife smuggling in Russian Far East -TRAFFIC

I whhhaaannnt one of each, please.

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aagcobb Sep 14, 2015 • 7:19:44am

re: #224 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

Besides, exactly how many people in Grayson County want a same-sex marriage? It doesn’t strike me as a hotbed of same-sex couples, but I could be wrong.

Its Rowan County, and the town has a University and is relatively progressive by Kentucky standards.

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I Stand With Planned Parenthood Sep 14, 2015 • 7:20:24am

These Brian Atwood Ads With Naked Men in Heels Completely Flip the Script

artfully done

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Decatur Deb Sep 14, 2015 • 7:22:14am

re: #247 aagcobb

Its Rowan County, and the town has a University and is relatively progressive by Kentucky standards.

It produced generations of E. Kentucky teachers. It was always a delight to interview some little old mountain lady, and find out she had a Master’s from Morehead.

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Backwoods_Sleuth Sep 14, 2015 • 7:22:50am

heh

Trying to remember what was written on my own Ky marriage license. Pretty sure someone spelled my name wrong. Still married, tho. ^JC

— Bluegrass Politics (@BGPolitics) September 14, 2015

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Dr. Matt Sep 14, 2015 • 7:23:21am

re: #196 aagcobb

Wingnuts have compared her to Rosa Parks and MLK for her civil disobedience, when she is really more like George Wallace.

Kim Davis is Rosa Parks’ bus driver.

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light) Sep 14, 2015 • 7:24:58am

re: #251 Dr. Matt

Kim Davis is Rosa Parks’ bus driver.

Her bus driver was just obeying the law - God’s law that the Sons of Ham were cursed.

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freetoken Sep 14, 2015 • 7:25:40am

Italian priest defies Pope Francis’ call to take in refugees

An Italian priest has said he’d rather burn down his vicarage than take in refugees fleeing war and persecution.

Fr Angelo Chizzolini, from Lugiria in northwest Italy, made the comment after Pope Francis recently called the Catholic Church to take in as many refugees as it could in response to the current crisis.

According to the Times, Mr Chizzolini has previously offered refuge to non-EU migrants in the nearby area of Brescia, but they left the property in bad condition.

[…]

“As a private citizen I have a home in Brescia and I can do what I like with that, and yes, I said that rather than opening the door to a migrant, I would set fire to it.”

Matteo Salvini, the leader of Italy’s far-right Northern League party, has expressed his support for Fr Chizzolini’s actions, posting “I’m with Father Angelo” on his Facebook page.

facebook.com

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aagcobb Sep 14, 2015 • 7:25:49am

I know it won’t surprise anyone on this Board, but Jeb Bush’s tax plan to restore the Middle Class and generate 4% economic growth consists of massive tax cuts benefiting the 0.1% richest Americans, just like almost every other Republican’s tax plans.

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GlutenFreeJesus Sep 14, 2015 • 7:26:07am

re: #187 aagcobb

It’s the right thing to do. She’s breaking the law. If that gets KY Bevin as governor, then they have to deal with him.

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Dr. Matt Sep 14, 2015 • 7:27:10am

re: #242 aagcobb

He is desperate to prove to Iowa Caucus goers that he is the most God fearing candidate in the race. He, Santorum, Jindal and even Scott Walker badly need a strong showing in Iowa to remain viable in the race, but Trump is vacuuming up the xenophobes and Carson is getting the fundies.

It’s amazing that Huckster continues to align himself with the worst-of-the-worst:
-Pedophile Ted Nugent;
-The Duggar Cult which includes pedophilia and adultery;
-Kim Davis…enough said;

It’s just a matter of time before Fox “news” starts putting a ‘D’ after his name.

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aagcobb Sep 14, 2015 • 7:28:18am

re: #255 GlutenFreeJesus

It’s the right thing to do. She’s breaking the law. If that gets KY Bevin as governor, then they have to deal with him.

I am one of those they, so I would much prefer that Judge Bunning not go overboard in trying to break Kim Davis, thank you very much.

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Decatur Deb Sep 14, 2015 • 7:29:24am

re: #256 Dr. Matt

It’s amazing that Huckster continues to align himself with the worst-of-the-worst:
-Pedophile Ted Nugent;
-The Duggar Cult which includes pedophilia and adultery;
-Kim Davis…enough said;

It’s just a matter of time before Fox “news” started putting a ‘D’ after his name.

He also had his born-again Willie Horton moment. That alone will kill his TPGOP chances.

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I Stand With Planned Parenthood Sep 14, 2015 • 7:29:25am

Campaign on the ropes, Wisconsin’s Walker proposes vast restrictions on unions: http://t.co/6qBhHjYhqz

— Star Tribune (@StarTribune) September 14, 2015

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ObserverArt Sep 14, 2015 • 7:29:42am

Morning!

Say, can anyone tell me if it is true that Kim Davis will be 12th debater in Wednesday’s GOP debate on CNN?

She might as well be. She is getting more press attention and RWNJ support than many of the other candidates.

And she fits much of the current fashion in high polling GOP candidates…a nobody politically acting like they know politics.

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I Stand With Planned Parenthood Sep 14, 2015 • 7:30:12am

re: #253 freetoken

Italian priest defies Pope Francis’ call to take in refugees

facebook.com

So Christ-like …

/gah

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HappyWarrior Sep 14, 2015 • 7:30:32am

re: #254 aagcobb

I know it won’t surprise anyone on this Board, but Jeb Bush’s tax plan to restore the Middle Class and generate 4% economic growth consists of massive tax cuts benefiting the 0.1% richest Americans, just like almost every other Republican’s tax plans.

This is what the GOP is- a party for the very wealthy that uses social issues to distract their base from that fact.

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I Stand With Planned Parenthood Sep 14, 2015 • 7:31:04am

re: #260 ObserverArt

Morning!

Say, can anyone tell me if it is true that Kim Davis will be 12th debater in Wednesday’s GOP debate on CNN?

She might as well be. She is getting more press attention and RWNJ support than many of the other candidates.

And she fits much of the current fashion in high polling GOP candidates…a nobody politically acting like they know politics.

All her rebuttals will be bible quotes… .

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HappyWarrior Sep 14, 2015 • 7:31:18am

re: #258 Decatur Deb

He also had his born-again Willie Horton moment. That alone will kill his TPGOP chances.

That makes him a liberal to some of them.

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aagcobb Sep 14, 2015 • 7:31:18am

re: #253 freetoken

Italian priest defies Pope Francis’ call to take in refugees

facebook.com

Well, we know what Jesus will say to him “I was a stranger, and you did not invite me in.”

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HappyWarrior Sep 14, 2015 • 7:31:59am

re: #253 freetoken

Italian priest defies Pope Francis’ call to take in refugees

facebook.com

The RW will be calling for this bigot to be the next pope.

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b.d. Sep 14, 2015 • 7:34:34am

re: #266 HappyWarrior

The RW will be calling for this bigot to be the next pope.

REAL CATHOLICS SHOULD HAVE THEIR OWN NON-COMMIE POPE! HAVING TWO OR MORE POPES AT A TIME WAS NEVER A PROBLEM BEFORE!

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Dr. Matt Sep 14, 2015 • 7:35:30am

The clerk [Kim Davis] said she wished to serve quietly and never sought the spotlight, and she told the crowd that she was tired of a being a “whipping post.”
rawstory.com

Says the women who goes out of her way to make assassin public statements. If she “never sought the spotlight”, she should have told off Huckster and his embarrassing spectacle last week.

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HappyWarrior Sep 14, 2015 • 7:38:03am

re: #268 Dr. Matt

Says the women who goes out of her way to make assassin public statements. If she “never sought the spotlight”, she should have told off Huckster and his embarrassing spectacle last week.

No kidding.

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Higgs Boson's Mate Sep 14, 2015 • 7:38:07am

re: #225 HappyWarrior

I always found conservative judicial philosophy arrogant. The insistence that they and only they are following what the Founders would have wanted. Honestly, I have a problem with strict constructionism for the simple reason that we’re a different country in 2015 than we were in 1795. Hell we were a different country in 1895. We should continue to adhere to the general principles set forth by the Constitution but we shouldn’t take it literally word for word. Even Jefferson realized that societies change.

Strict constructionists strike me as being followers of a conservative religion. They alone understand the intent of the Founders. Oddly enough, the intent of the Founders is always completely in agreement with the views of the constructionist. It’s a gift. They ignore the reality that some of the words and phrases used in the Constitution often had very specific and commonly understood meanings at the time and that they no longer hold those deeper meanings for us.

It’s no accident that strict constructionists and theocracy advocates are both found on the same end of the political spectrum.

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HappyWarrior Sep 14, 2015 • 7:39:49am

re: #270 Higgs Boson’s Mate

Strict constructionists strike me as being followers of a conservative religion. They alone understand the intent of the Founders. Oddly enough, the intent of the Founders is always completely in agreement with the views of the constructionist. It’s a gift. They ignore the reality that some of the words and phrases used in the Constitution often had very specific and commonly understood meanings at the time and that they no longer hold those deeper meanings for us.

It’s no accident that strict constructionists and theocracy advocates are both found on the same end of the political spectrum.

Yeah I am not surprised at all that there is a lot of intersection there. Same mindset.

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freetoken Sep 14, 2015 • 7:42:16am

re: #271 HappyWarrior

Yeah I am not surprised at all that there is a lot of intersection there. Same mindset.

Words are magickal.

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Backwoods_Sleuth Sep 14, 2015 • 7:42:40am

More circus:

Ohio activist Elizabeth Johnston begs Kim Davis to fire deputies, not allow marriage licenses for gays. ^JC pic.twitter.com/N9eaj6JFNA

— Bluegrass Politics (@BGPolitics) September 14, 2015

Wanna get a marriage license in Rowan County today? C’mon in, no pressure. ^JC pic.twitter.com/PPI6M6NHN6

— Bluegrass Politics (@BGPolitics) September 14, 2015

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HappyWarrior Sep 14, 2015 • 7:43:40am

re: #273 Backwoods_Sleuth

More circus:

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That’s not how it works crazy Aunt Lizzy.

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klys (maker of Silmarils) Sep 14, 2015 • 7:44:11am

re: #273 Backwoods_Sleuth

I have so much love for that second tweet.

On a more sobering note, photos of Harbin Hot Springs after the fire passed through have emerged.

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Backwoods_Sleuth Sep 14, 2015 • 7:45:28am

Ok, we got a couple applying. Not the most dignified moment, plus folks shouting Bible quotes. ^JC pic.twitter.com/mYhsNs1ZAE

— Bluegrass Politics (@BGPolitics) September 14, 2015

shouting bible quotes…good grief.

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HappyWarrior Sep 14, 2015 • 7:47:08am

re: #276 Backwoods_Sleuth

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shouting bible quotes…good grief.

Sigh, I hope the ceremony is really nice so they have better memories than a bunch of bigoted jackasses shouting shit at them.

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Fourth Football of the Apocalypse Sep 14, 2015 • 7:47:36am

re: #259 I Stand With Planned Parenthood

Campaign on the ropes, Wisconsin’s Walker proposes vast restrictions on unions:

Nothing short of promising life sentences for all union members will save him now.

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klys (maker of Silmarils) Sep 14, 2015 • 7:47:57am

re: #277 HappyWarrior

Sigh, I hope the ceremony is really nice so they have better memories than a bunch of bigoted jackasses shouting shit at them.

On the flip side, their trip to get their license will be a lot more memorable than most.

I think ours took 30 minutes, with about 5 of that actually spent interacting with the clerk.

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Dr. Matt Sep 14, 2015 • 7:48:03am

re: #273 Backwoods_Sleuth

Elizabeth Johnston looks just as vile, nasty, and angry as Kkkim Davis. Perfect duo of hate and bigotry.

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Fourth Football of the Apocalypse Sep 14, 2015 • 7:48:54am

re: #268 Dr. Matt

The clerk [Kim Davis] said she wished to serve quietly and never sought the spotlight, and she told the crowd that she was tired of a being a “whipping post.”

My violins are all a-playing.

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HappyWarrior Sep 14, 2015 • 7:49:05am

re: #278 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse

Nothing short of promising life sentences for all union members will save him now.

/

I am honestly he hasn’t considered criminalizing unions, he regards them as being akin to ISIS after all.

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darthstar Sep 14, 2015 • 7:49:23am

re: #276 Backwoods_Sleuth

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shouting bible quotes…good grief.

And it’s a heterosexual couple.

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Fourth Football of the Apocalypse Sep 14, 2015 • 7:49:46am

re: #276 Backwoods_Sleuth

shouting bible quotes…good grief.

Don’t these people have jobs?

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klys (maker of Silmarils) Sep 14, 2015 • 7:50:03am

You need to be able to pronounce “Rosh Hashanah” in order to ask for the day off. So, no, you can’t leave to celebrate Rash Nanana

— John DeVore (@JohnDeVore) September 14, 2015

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darthstar Sep 14, 2015 • 7:51:12am

re: #280 Dr. Matt

Elizabeth Johnston looks just as vile, nasty, and angry as Kkkim Davis. Perfect duo of hate and bigotry.

She came all the way down from Ohio to get in on the bigotry gravy train.

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Backwoods_Sleuth Sep 14, 2015 • 7:51:13am

Sheriff’s deputy quiets man shouting to couple that they’ll burn in Hell for getting married. ^JC pic.twitter.com/tAP6VCJNAs

— Bluegrass Politics (@BGPolitics) September 14, 2015

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I Stand With Planned Parenthood Sep 14, 2015 • 7:51:59am

Published in 2000.

This statements of the Fourteenth were adopted for a reason. They were not without force and effect. They were intended by the framers of the Fourteenth to extend the jurisdiction and protection of federal courts to all rights recognized by the Constitution and Bill of Rights against actions by state government.

First, “any law” includes the state constitution, which is its supreme law, subject to the U.S. Constitution.

…

In debate on S. 61, the Civil Rights Bill, some Western senators wished to exclude Indians and Chinese from citizenship. Williams of Oregon argued that if Indians were citizens, then state laws that prohibited whites from selling arms and ammunition to Indians would be void.[12] At a time when the suppression of Indians and the seizure of their lands was proceeding in earnest, it was considered unacceptable to recognize a right of Indians to keep and bear arms. Thus, the Senate voted to define all persons born in the United States, without distinction of color, as citizens, “excluding Indians not taxed.”[13]

…

Although just three weeks earlier Saulsbury had opposed the Civil Rights Bill because it would prohibit states from disarming free negroes,[27] he now invoked the Second Amendment to protect the right of “the whole white population” not only to be armed but also to organize and operate as militia. This is a clear indication that the rights to be protected included the right to keep and bear arms.

Just another reason the Whackos wish to repeal the 14th. NRA drones might be suprised to learn this history.

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Higgs Boson's Mate Sep 14, 2015 • 7:52:24am

re: #272 freetoken

Words are magickal.

Some of them certainly must be. If you placed any strict constructionist in Boston or Philadelphia in the late 18th century that person would play hell communicating well enough to arrange their lodgings, let alone represent themselves before a magistrate.

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I Stand With Planned Parenthood Sep 14, 2015 • 7:52:29am

re: #281 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse

My violins are all a-playing.

how tiny are they?

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darthstar Sep 14, 2015 • 7:52:46am

re: #287 Backwoods_Sleuth

I’m surprised Huckabee went back there.

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klys (maker of Silmarils) Sep 14, 2015 • 7:52:50am

re: #287 Backwoods_Sleuth

ROFL.

So now heterosexual couples getting married = burning in hell.

Move those goalposts!

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Great White Snark Sep 14, 2015 • 7:53:39am

Los Angeles and other SoCal communities are rendering mutual aid to our neighbors fighting the fires up north. It’s a convoy, well convoys of strike teams, pumper trucks. And all of our prayers, best wishes and hopes for the best. Terrible terrible news out of there as we see here and in the news.

Firefighters don’t care a whit who they are saving, helping or serving in their jobs, lives at risk. Someone send the example to Ms Davis.

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Higgs Boson's Mate Sep 14, 2015 • 7:53:55am

re: #278 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse

Nothing short of promising life sentences for all union members will save him now.

/

There’s always the tried and true, “Kill the hippies!”

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Backwoods_Sleuth Sep 14, 2015 • 7:54:03am

“Thank you, Brian!” cries marriage equality activists. “Shame on you, Brian!” opponents yell. ^JC pic.twitter.com/RJdJHLPfPf

— Bluegrass Politics (@BGPolitics) September 14, 2015

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Dr. Matt Sep 14, 2015 • 7:54:28am

re: #287 Backwoods_Sleuth

Sheriff’s deputy quiets man shouting to couple that they’ll burn in Hell for getting married. ^JC pic.twitter.com
— Bluegrass Politics (@BGPolitics) September 14, 2015

Don’t these asshole have jobs?

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HappyWarrior Sep 14, 2015 • 7:54:46am

re: #295 Backwoods_Sleuth

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I am not going to be surprised if Brian has received death threats.

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klys (maker of Silmarils) Sep 14, 2015 • 7:54:48am

re: #295 Backwoods_Sleuth

Someone should probably give Brian a nice pair of noise cancelling headphones.

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HappyWarrior Sep 14, 2015 • 7:55:25am

re: #298 klys (maker of Silmarils)

Someone should probably give Brian a nice pair of noise cancelling headphones.

I have some laying around here somewhere.

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I Stand With Planned Parenthood Sep 14, 2015 • 7:57:01am

Fund 12 Years of Education for Girls Around the World

Sign if you wish.

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I Stand With Planned Parenthood Sep 14, 2015 • 7:58:55am

As frustrated as I get, I feel incredibly lucky to live in a time in which I can watch Malala grow. I would not have missed seeing her face for anything.

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light) Sep 14, 2015 • 7:59:00am

re: #268 Dr. Matt

Kim Davis said she wished to serve quietly

the key word here is serve. She is refusing to serve gays just like the lunch counters in the South quietly refused to serve blacks.

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HappyWarrior Sep 14, 2015 • 8:00:07am

re: #301 I Stand With Planned Parenthood

As frustrated as I get, I feel incredibly lucky to live in a time in which I can watch Malala grow. I would not have missed seeing her face for anything.

She truly is an inspirational young woman. We’re going to see even more great things from her as she gets older.

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I Stand With Planned Parenthood Sep 14, 2015 • 8:00:48am

Liberty Counsel, hate group representing #KimDavis has previously advised clients to defy law http://t.co/g21WtLnRtO pic.twitter.com/OzHZ6ifTKo

— Hatewatch (@Hatewatch) September 14, 2015

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Fourth Football of the Apocalypse Sep 14, 2015 • 8:01:04am

re: #287 Backwoods_Sleuth

Sheriff’s deputy quiets man shouting to couple that they’ll burn in Hell for getting married.

Is this a gay couple?

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freetoken Sep 14, 2015 • 8:01:10am

Still hoping this is brought up at a GOP “debate”:

U.S., China, UK experts to tackle vexed issue of gene editing

Scientists from the United States, China and Britain will come together to discuss the future of human gene editing, which holds great promise for treating diseases but also has the potential to create “designer babies”.

The Chinese Academy of Sciences and Britain’s Royal Society said on Monday they would join the U.S. National Academy of Sciences in co-hosting an international summit on the topic in Washington on Dec. 1-3.

[…]

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BlueSpotinAL Sep 14, 2015 • 8:01:48am

About Ben Carson (and others) on science: You can’t reason a person out of a position they did not reason themselves into.

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Backwoods_Sleuth Sep 14, 2015 • 8:02:01am

re: #305 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse

Is this a gay couple?

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Backwoods_Sleuth Sep 14, 2015 • 8:02:08am

Man shouts protests while same-sex couple receives marriage license in Rowan Co pic.twitter.com/wZsTHRKcNF

— Ryland Barton (@RylandKY) September 14, 2015

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Ace-o-aces Sep 14, 2015 • 8:02:09am

re: #125 goddamnedfrank

Gross dude is gross.

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So he shows up to a film festival in his underwear, but THEY’RE the ones who will look foolish. Got it.

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HappyWarrior Sep 14, 2015 • 8:02:17am

I’d be interested in seeing if there could be found a state employee in charge of administering the poison cocktail for a lethal objection to object on grounds of their religion and see if LC and the right would embrace them. Oh………..

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Fourth Football of the Apocalypse Sep 14, 2015 • 8:02:38am

re: #308 Backwoods_Sleuth

no

So they’re angry at Brian and yelling Bible verses at a hetero couple for getting married?

I is confused.

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HappyWarrior Sep 14, 2015 • 8:03:07am

re: #309 Backwoods_Sleuth

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He really needs to find a new hobby. Might I suggest leaving other people the fuck alone.

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I Stand With Planned Parenthood Sep 14, 2015 • 8:03:35am

Catholic Bishops Playing Doctor With Pregnant Woman

Catholic Bishops Playing Doctor With Pregnant Woman

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light) Sep 14, 2015 • 8:03:44am

re: #287 Backwoods_Sleuth

Sheriff’s deputy quiets man shouting to couple that they’ll burn in Hell for getting married.

God will forgive any sins if you accept Jesus and swear to put your sinning behind you, but he cannot forgive people living in a state that the Bible quite clearly calls sinful.

(I am talking about people who divorce marry a second time)

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Backwoods_Sleuth Sep 14, 2015 • 8:03:54am

re: #312 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse

So they’re angry at Brian and yelling Bible verses at a hetero couple for getting married?

I is confused.

Apparently there is also a gay couple there.
They were screaming at the hetero couple, too.
Confusion is everywhere.
:D

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Fourth Football of the Apocalypse Sep 14, 2015 • 8:04:25am

re: #316 Backwoods_Sleuth

Apparently there is also a gay couple there.
They were screaming at the hetero couple, too.
Confusion is everywhere.
:D

The hetero couple is aiding and abetting the enemy. ////

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Higgs Boson's Mate Sep 14, 2015 • 8:04:29am

re: #310 Ace-o-aces

So he shows up to a film festival in his underwear, but THEY’RE the ones who will look foolish. Got it.

Too bad he didn’t stuff a full-size baloney up his ass too. That would have made them look really foolish.

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HappyWarrior Sep 14, 2015 • 8:04:38am

re: #314 I Stand With Planned Parenthood

Catholic Bishops Playing Doctor With Pregnant Woman

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That’s exactly why I never will be Catholic. These guys have no business at all telling women how they should handle their own pregnancies.

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light) Sep 14, 2015 • 8:04:49am

re: #316 Backwoods_Sleuth

Apparently there is also a gay couple there.
They were screaming at the hetero couple, too.
Confusion is everywhere.
:D

Aren’t there any passing clouds outside for them to scream at?

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Fourth Football of the Apocalypse Sep 14, 2015 • 8:05:14am

re: #310 Ace-o-aces

So he shows up to a film festival in his underwear, but THEY’RE the ones who will look foolish. Got it.

Steven must be taking IQ lessons from CCJ.

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HappyWarrior Sep 14, 2015 • 8:05:42am

Our descendants are going to look at people like Kim Davis and ask what the fuck was wrong with your society dad/mom/uncle/aunty/grandpa/grandma.

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I Stand With Planned Parenthood Sep 14, 2015 • 8:06:00am

“We must close union offices, confiscate their money…reduce workers’ salaries & take away their right to strike.” - A. Hitler, 1933

— John Fugelsang (@JohnFugelsang) September 14, 2015

going godwin on Walker.

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Fourth Football of the Apocalypse Sep 14, 2015 • 8:06:08am

re: #316 Backwoods_Sleuth

Apparently there is also a gay couple there.
They were screaming at the hetero couple, too.
Confusion is everywhere.
:D

Well maybe the hetero couple is not hetero enough. ///

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Backwoods_Sleuth Sep 14, 2015 • 8:06:42am

tweet from last week, but worth a repeat:

#KimDavis reminds us that there’s no such thing as #Christian persecution in the United States pic.twitter.com/VgnTkQ2gqu

— Tay (@SensiblySecular) September 10, 2015

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HappyWarrior Sep 14, 2015 • 8:07:03am

re: #321 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse

Steven must be taken IQ lessons from CCJ.

Oh Steven? Isn’t this the guy who tried to find a Muslim owned bakery in Dearborn that would refuse him a cake if he pretended to be a gay couple and he found that Muslim owned bakeries were more likely to serve him and IIRC he acted like a fucking caricature of a gay person in the process.

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HappyWarrior Sep 14, 2015 • 8:08:46am

Oh and BWS I still haven’t heard from the SCOTUS blog firm but I emailed them after I got to the office today inquiring if they were still hiring. I really hope they are. I like my current position but the SCOTUS blog position would be icing on the cake.

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Timothy Watson Sep 14, 2015 • 8:08:47am

re: #267 b.d.

REAL CATHOLICS SHOULD HAVE THEIR OWN NON-COMMIE POPE! HAVING TWO OR MORE POPES AT A TIME WAS NEVER A PROBLEM BEFORE!

I’ve always wanted to be an anti-pope.

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Backwoods_Sleuth Sep 14, 2015 • 8:08:53am

ICYMI: The dump an unsourced post and run folks have a new one.

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Backwoods_Sleuth Sep 14, 2015 • 8:10:01am

Adding fuel: Local atheist Jeff Grubb tells deputy clerk he won’t pay taxes as Kim Davis wages religious fight. ^JC pic.twitter.com/TRnxD894cp

— Bluegrass Politics (@BGPolitics) September 14, 2015

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I Stand With Planned Parenthood Sep 14, 2015 • 8:10:14am

WE ARE NOT GOING BACK

bbl

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HappyWarrior Sep 14, 2015 • 8:11:26am

re: #331 I Stand With Planned Parenthood

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bbl

They’re doing hte same thing again. Sigh. Why any woman well rather why anyone would support this party befuddles the crap outta me. Unless you’re an ultra rich asshole who doesn’t care about anyone else, there really is no reason to support the GOP.

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HappyWarrior Sep 14, 2015 • 8:11:55am

re: #330 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Nirvana fan? But I love this.

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I Stand With Planned Parenthood Sep 14, 2015 • 8:12:33am

re: #332 HappyWarrior

They’re doing hte same thing again. Sigh. Why any woman well rather why anyone would support this party befuddles the crap outta me. Unless you’re an ultra rich asshole who doesn’t care about anyone else, there really is no reason to support the GOP.

because —MONEY.

Mostly white women are afraid of being forced off the Pedestal —they think they are save in their gilded cages.

Idiots —mostly.

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Eventual Carrion Sep 14, 2015 • 8:15:03am

re: #295 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Poor guy doing his job, caught in the middle.

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HappyWarrior Sep 14, 2015 • 8:16:13am

re: #334 I Stand With Planned Parenthood

because —MONEY.

Mostly white women are afraid of being forced off the Pedestal —they think they are save in their gilded cages.

Idiots —mostly.

True. But even with GOP policies, you actually lose more money than you gain. Tax rates go up on more Americans during GOP rule than Democratic. It was honestly a rhetorical question on my part. And I can’t tell you how much it annoys me to hear young women say “I’m not a feminist blah” even though they benefit from feminism’s accomplishments daily. As something of a historian and legal wonk, my big pet peeve is people who take modernity for granted and don’t appreciate the sacrifices of the past.

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Scout Sep 14, 2015 • 8:21:23am

I just accidentally voted in this poll.

littlegreenfootballs.com

I selected Barrack Obama and pressed the vote button, assuming it wouldn’t work. But I think it did.

(If you’re wondering why I was even looking at it, I find those old threads interesting, though sometimes the content is what I would personally describe as quite ugly.)

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Franklin Sep 14, 2015 • 8:21:36am

re: #273 Backwoods_Sleuth

More circus:

Ohio activist Elizabeth Johnston begs Kim Davis to fire deputies, not allow marriage licenses for gays. ^JC pic.twitter.com/N9eaj6JFNA

— Bluegrass Politics (@BGPolitics) September 14, 2015

Outside Agitator™

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HappyWarrior Sep 14, 2015 • 8:22:18am

Made my way to the local dive
Where drafts and shots are all under five
Drank with intent eyes
Heard voices of the crowd
Looked at my watch
Twas only Monday

340

HappyWarrior Sep 14, 2015 • 8:26:15am

Prose killed the page, oh shite.

341

Blind Frog Belly White Sep 14, 2015 • 8:33:07am

“Really, officer! The thread was already dead when I found it!”

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HappyWarrior Sep 14, 2015 • 8:33:46am

re: #341 Blind Frog Belly White

“Really, officer! The thread was already dead when I found it!”

I have blood everywhere because I had a bloody nose, I swear it!

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Jenner7 Sep 14, 2015 • 8:34:04am

How awful for that couple to be harassed with hateful messages while getting a marriage license. I would have put that piece of paper is that guys fucking face and told him to suck on it.

But those ladies are better than me.

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Backwoods_Sleuth Sep 14, 2015 • 8:38:13am

re: #295 Backwoods_Sleuth

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BTW, that’s Kim’s son looking lost at the far right of the photo.

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makeitstop Sep 14, 2015 • 8:39:11am

re: #330 Backwoods_Sleuth

Local atheist Jeff Grubb tells deputy clerk he won’t pay taxes as Kim Davis wages religious fight.

While wearing a Nirvana t-shirt! That guy’s my dude so far today.

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Timothy Watson Sep 14, 2015 • 8:39:59am

re: #342 HappyWarrior

I have blood everywhere because I had a bloody nose, I swear it!

I tole my dog to the vet the other day for surgery to remove a tumor on his chest which had started to bleed because it was rubbing on the floor of our house. It started to bleed by the time we got to the vet and the floor of the car was covered in blood. It’s an ancient car that barely runs, so not a big deal, but I was worried that I might get pulled over driving home and the cop would be like, “WTF?”

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Backwoods_Sleuth Sep 14, 2015 • 8:40:03am

Rowan County marriage license issued to same-sex couple from Lexington just now. ^JC pic.twitter.com/yCw8dcWcsy

— Bluegrass Politics (@BGPolitics) September 14, 2015

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Eventual Carrion Sep 14, 2015 • 8:40:44am

re: #323 I Stand With Planned Parenthood

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going godwin on Walker.

If the jackboot fits.

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Fourth Football of the Apocalypse Sep 14, 2015 • 8:40:57am

re: #343 Jenner7

How awful for that couple to be harassed with hateful messages while getting a marriage license. I would have put that piece of paper is that guys fucking face and told him to suck on it.

But those ladies are better than me.

Just in from Dr. Ben Carson:

“Political Correctness blah blah blah Free Speech blah blah blah Obama blah blah blah liberals blah blah blah America the beautiful…”

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Fourth Football of the Apocalypse Sep 14, 2015 • 8:41:49am

re: #347 Backwoods_Sleuth

Rowan County marriage license issued to same-sex couple from Lexington just now.

NOT VALID UNVALIDATED NOT VALIDATED!!!!!11

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Ace-o-aces Sep 14, 2015 • 8:42:02am

“Go home and let me do my fucking job” thinks Brian. @BGPolitics

— aceoaces (@aceoaces) September 14, 2015

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HappyWarrior Sep 14, 2015 • 8:42:09am

re: #349 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse

Just in from Dr. Ben Carson:

“Political Correctness blah blah blah Free Speech blah blah blah Obama blah blah blah liberals blah blah blah America the beautiful…”

/

That twit seriously called taking in the refugees a form of political correctness. Carson may be a brilliant neurosurgeon but he’s an utter intellectual lightweight on other issues.

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HappyWarrior Sep 14, 2015 • 8:42:54am

It’s not valid because there is no something something Congress said a stupid prick who did not demand the same while Citizens United happened.

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Backwoods_Sleuth Sep 14, 2015 • 8:43:12am

Kim Davis says she’s no hero FINALLY, something we can agree on.

— Stonekettle (@Stonekettle) September 14, 2015

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Fourth Football of the Apocalypse Sep 14, 2015 • 8:43:25am

re: #352 HappyWarrior

That twit seriously called taking in the refugees a form of political correctness. Carson may be a brilliant neurosurgeon but he’s an utter intellectual lightweight on other issues.

Yeah I saw a reference to that over the weekend. Would like to see the fuller context of it, but didn’t really care enough to go looking for it.

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HappyWarrior Sep 14, 2015 • 8:43:59am

re: #355 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse

Yeah I saw a reference to that over the weekend. Would like to see the fuller context of it, but didn’t really care enough to go looking for it.

I would too but my first thought was about how these idiots feel the need to cry PC about anything they dislike.

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Fourth Football of the Apocalypse Sep 14, 2015 • 8:48:31am

According to the Wash Post* this morning, Jeb! is at a mighty 3 percent in Iowa. In NH, Jeb! is running 5th behind Trump, Carson, Kasich and, ahem, Carly. Article also noted Jeb! has been spending most of his time in friendly places, like NH where he isn’t doing well, and FL.

*No linky because I no longer subscribe to the dead tree version.

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HappyWarrior Sep 14, 2015 • 8:49:33am

re: #357 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse

According to the Wash Post* this morning, Jeb! is at a mighty 3 percent in Iowa. In NH, Jeb! is running 5th behind Trump, Carson, Kasich and, ahem, Carly. Article also noted Jeb! has been spending most of his time in friendly places, like NH where he isn’t doing well, and FL.

*No linky because I no longer subscribe to the dead tree version.

Seems like he’s going the Rudy route, hoping for a miracle in Florida. Jeb does have a lot money backing him up but he’s a lot weaker than I thought he would be.

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Blind Frog Belly White Sep 14, 2015 • 8:50:15am

It’s funny how even though many on the Left feel the Citizens United, or Hobby Lobby rulings were bad, poorly reasoned decisions, I don’t hear a chorus of Lefties calling on anyone to ignore them, or claiming they’re not the law of the land. Indeed, i hear many on the Left calling for a Constitutional Amendment overturning Citizens United.

OTOH, the Right is full of calls to defy or ignore Obergefell, claiming that it’s NOT the law of the land, or offering to provide armed escort to prevent someone defying the ruling from being jailed for contempt of court, or suggesting that states secede so as not to be bound by it.

Why is that, do you suppose?

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Fourth Football of the Apocalypse Sep 14, 2015 • 8:50:43am

re: #358 HappyWarrior

Seems like he’s going the Rudy route, hoping for a miracle in Florida. Jeb does have a lot money backing him up but he’s a lot weaker than I thought he would be.

Yeah, very surprising. Still think he’s the most likely to end up with the nom, but I’m a lot less certain of that than I was earlier this Summer.

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HappyWarrior Sep 14, 2015 • 8:51:47am

re: #359 Blind Frog Belly White

It’s funny how even though many on the Left feel the Citizens United, or Hobby Lobby rulings were bad, poorly reasoned decisions, I don’t hear a chorus of Lefties calling on anyone to ignore them, or claiming they’re not the law of the land. Indeed, i hear many on the Left calling for a Constitutional Amendment overturning Citizens United.

OTOH, the Right is full of calls to defy or ignore Obergefell, claiming that it’s NOT the law of the land, or offering to provide armed escort to prevent someone defying the ruling from being jailed for contempt of court, or suggesting that states secede so as not to be bound by it.

Why is that, do you suppose?

I didn’t hear many lefties even the radical ones I know advocate that the entire structure of the Supreme Court be changed like Cruz did. I hated the Citizens United decision but it is law and the best thing the left/Democrats can do now is use it to their advantage.

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Jenner7 Sep 14, 2015 • 8:51:48am

Ferguson Commission calls for revisions to & training in police use of force policies. More: http://t.co/KWk70GRcLw pic.twitter.com/2b1bx8T2Kj

— NPR (@NPR) September 14, 2015

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Eventual Carrion Sep 14, 2015 • 8:52:18am

re: #359 Blind Frog Belly White

[snip]

Why is that, do you suppose?

Too many lead paint chips?

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HappyWarrior Sep 14, 2015 • 8:52:32am

re: #360 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse

Yeah, very surprising. Still think he’s the most likely to end up with the nom, but I’m a lot less certain of that than I was earlier this Summer.

I don’t even know what to guess anymore. I actually thought Walker would overtake him as the establishment favorite by the fall/early winter but Walker’s been pretty lackluster too.

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HappyWarrior Sep 14, 2015 • 8:53:17am

re: #362 Jenner7

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ObserverArt Sep 14, 2015 • 8:58:54am

re: #337 Scout

I just accidentally voted in this poll.

littlegreenfootballs.com

I selected Barrack Obama and pressed the vote button, assuming it wouldn’t work. But I think it did.

(If you’re wondering why I was even looking at it, I find those old threads interesting, though sometimes the content is what I would personally describe as quite ugly.)

Interesting indeed. And very creepy. I guess it is a look into the long ago past of LGF and how it has changed. Or, something.

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Higgs Boson's Mate Sep 14, 2015 • 9:05:40am

re: #330 Backwoods_Sleuth

Back during the Vietnam years some prominent people came forward to say that they wouldn’t pay that percentage of their taxes that went to military spending. Pearls were clutched, fainting couches were fainted upon and there was much muttering about The End of the World as We Know It. Another sign that times have changed indeed. The fools who are set on allowing individuals to disobey the law based on religious beliefs have no idea what kind of mischief will follow should they succeed even a little bit.

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Jenner7 Sep 14, 2015 • 9:06:00am

JUST IN: NBC names Arnold Schwarzenegger the new host of ‘Celebrity Apprentice’

— CNBC Now (@CNBCnow) September 14, 2015

they gave donald trump’s job at the apprentice to an immigrant. perfect. i love you america.

— Oliver Willis (@owillis) September 14, 2015

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Fourth Football of the Apocalypse Sep 14, 2015 • 9:07:17am

re: #368 Jenner7

JUST IN: NBC names Arnold Schwarzenegger the new host of ‘Celebrity Apprentice’
— CNBC Now

Sounds like a step-down for The Arnold.

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jaunte Sep 14, 2015 • 9:09:42am

re: #275 klys (maker of Silmarils)

I have so much love for that second tweet.

On a more sobering note, photos of Harbin Hot Springs after the fire passed through have emerged.

Sierra Nevada snowpack hit 500-year low in 2015 http://t.co/ZxyAFETZVZ pic.twitter.com/tTBkJMwGvm

— Los Angeles Times (@latimes) September 14, 2015

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Higgs Boson's Mate Sep 14, 2015 • 9:09:52am

re: #369 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse

Sounds like a step-down for The Arnold.

It’s a strategic move. Arnold knows that he can still get to the top once the GOP makes it possible to elect their secret love, Vladimir Putin.

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Fourth Football of the Apocalypse Sep 14, 2015 • 9:10:25am

re: #364 HappyWarrior

I don’t even know what to guess anymore. I actually thought Walker would overtake him as the establishment favorite by the fall/early winter but Walker’s been pretty lackluster too.

I still don’t think The Donald will win the nom. But I do think Carson has a real chance.

Still a long way to go and all that, but the window is closing for some of these candidates.

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Varek Raith Sep 14, 2015 • 9:14:16am

re: #368 Jenner7

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You’re terminated.

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Backwoods_Sleuth Sep 14, 2015 • 9:15:46am

Even Small things can think they’re Batman. pic.twitter.com/sk0rnKvPB5

— Michael Crisp (@thundercrispy) September 13, 2015

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Jenner7 Sep 14, 2015 • 9:21:20am

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Varek Raith Sep 14, 2015 • 9:22:24am

This summer sucked in the DC area. 50ish days of 90+ degree temps.

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klys (maker of Silmarils) Sep 14, 2015 • 9:26:16am

re: #376 Varek Raith

I used to like summer.

I’m starting to think that had more to do with summer vacation and less to do with the weather.

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Backwoods_Sleuth Sep 14, 2015 • 9:27:55am

Active shooter reported at Mississippi university http://t.co/N5AV42JiPy pic.twitter.com/jrpNrYGumc

— WATE 6 On Your Side (@6News) September 14, 2015

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calochortus Sep 14, 2015 • 9:28:20am

Good morning, lizards. Mr. C. and I (and our offspring) returned from a few days on the north coast last night. Hikes were hiked, birds were observed as were very large redwoods, wine was quaffed, and a good time was had by all.

There was a bit of smoke and even ash along the coast up there from the fires in Trinity Alps/Klamaths, but as we came south and turned inland the smoke from the Valley fire became really thick. I coughed my way from Navarro to Healdsburg-even though the winds shouldn’t have been blowing smoke that direction.

Basically, all of northern CA is appears to be on fire.
Out of curiosity I checked on what the good folks at FR had to say about the fires and there is an interesting dichotomy. A few people (generally they appear to be people who have never been within 1000 miles of the western part of the country) are calling it either God’s judgement or the result of enviroweenies not allowing clearcutting (or something-they have no idea of what western forest management would look like, or cost.) The interesting part is that the rather larger number of commenters who do live in the west, or have friends or family here aren’t buying it and are calling out the stupid and selfish views of the folks with no actual knowledge of the situation for being selfish and smug.

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Bird in the Paw Sep 14, 2015 • 9:30:37am

re: #376 Varek Raith

This summer sucked in the DC area. 50ish days of 90+ degree temps.

But it is really gorgeous right now.

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Higgs Boson's Mate Sep 14, 2015 • 9:31:17am

re: #372 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse

I still don’t think The Donald will win the nom. But I do think Carson has a real chance.

Still a long way to go and all that, but the window is closing for some of these candidates.

Taking the temp of the Republican devout reveals to me that many of them are mad as hell that their party allowed one of Them to remain in the White House for two terms. Depending on how far out you want to go, the GOP leadership is a bunch of spineless jellyfish who give in to Obama every time or, the GOP leadership is actually a bunch of crypto-liberals who are actively colluding with Obama under the orders of ___________ to turn America into _______________!!!!!!!

They want a weaponized candidate who will grind the Dems’ faces in the dust and then sell them all into slavery. And they’re the ones who will go to great lengths to vote.

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Backwoods_Sleuth Sep 14, 2015 • 9:31:36am

Delta State University has confirmed one fatality. Campus remains under lockdown. Please stay inside and away from windows.

— Delta State (@DeltaState) September 14, 2015

MHP, Cleveland Police and Bolivar Sheriff’s Department are on campus. More information will be distributed as available.

— Delta State (@DeltaState) September 14, 2015

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klys (maker of Silmarils) Sep 14, 2015 • 9:33:42am

Already gettin me in the feels. Baby goats on little unburnt mound. #ValleyFire pic.twitter.com/9VRXr2calz

— SLOStringer (@SLOStringer) September 13, 2015

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Archangelus Sep 14, 2015 • 9:34:48am

re: #382 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Damn. It just doesn’t stop, does it?

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HappyWarrior Sep 14, 2015 • 9:37:09am

re: #382 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Agh.

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HappyWarrior Sep 14, 2015 • 9:37:48am

re: #380 Bird in the Paw

But it is really gorgeous right now.

Yeah not too hot, not too cold. I don’t mind it particularly hot since I can go swimming but it does take a toll.

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Higgs Boson's Mate Sep 14, 2015 • 9:38:23am

re: #384 Archangelus

Damn. It just doesn’t stop, does it?

Shhh! It’s too soon for me to even say that it’s too soon.

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calochortus Sep 14, 2015 • 9:40:12am

Oh well, time to do the laundry, go to the grocery store and all that other fun stuff.

BBL

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Fourth Football of the Apocalypse Sep 14, 2015 • 9:42:24am

re: #366 ObserverArt

Interesting indeed. And very creepy. I guess it is a look into the long ago past of LGF and how it has changed. Or, something.

Mostly a different crowd. Didn’t recognize most of the user names, and nearly all of those are now blocked.

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Dr. Matt Sep 14, 2015 • 9:42:33am

re: #382 Backwoods_Sleuth

“Too soon to talk about g…..”

Fuck it….I’ll save my breath.

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HappyWarrior Sep 14, 2015 • 9:43:39am

re: #389 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse

Mostly a different crowd. Didn’t recognize most of the user names, and nearly all of those are now blocked.

Really is amazing how much the site has changed. I’d have to look but I think most of those names were either gone when I joined or were about to exit stage right pun intended when I was a noob.

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Dr. Matt Sep 14, 2015 • 9:45:18am

re: #389 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse

Mostly a different crowd. Didn’t recognize most of the user names, and nearly all of those are now blocked.

First poster: ‘noshariaincanada’

Ugh.

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Backwoods_Sleuth Sep 14, 2015 • 9:46:01am

WATCH LIVE: Gov. Jerry Brown to deliver update on devastating California wildfires. http://t.co/RkyGZfgaZ4 pic.twitter.com/Orwwa8pEpC

— NBC Bay Area (@nbcbayarea) September 14, 2015

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jaunte Sep 14, 2015 • 9:48:52am

WREG-TV has confirmed a professor at Delta State University has been shot and killed.
wreg.com

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jaunte Sep 14, 2015 • 9:49:26am

Oh by the way Delta State allows guns on campus. Just FYI before the NRA tries its usual ‘gun free zone’ bullshit.
— Zeddonymous (@ZeddRebel) September 14, 2015

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Dr. Matt Sep 14, 2015 • 9:49:57am

re: #382 Backwoods_Sleuth

CLEVELAND, Miss. — A Delta State University professor is dead after a shooting on campus, according to Bolivar County Coroner Dr. Nate Brown.

Ugh.

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HappyWarrior Sep 14, 2015 • 9:50:21am

re: #395 jaunte

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That won’t stop Dana, Wayne, and the gunfucking brigade.

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Backwoods_Sleuth Sep 14, 2015 • 9:50:23am

Latest press release from Davis’ attorneys. http://t.co/26PYKoerhK #WSAZ pic.twitter.com/KTREUD5QSA

— Dan Griffin (@WSAZDanGriffin) September 14, 2015

Press conference by Davis’ attorneys expected to start in 15 mins. #WSAZ pic.twitter.com/oTt3bqZ8lb

— Dan Griffin (@WSAZDanGriffin) September 14, 2015

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HappyWarrior Sep 14, 2015 • 9:50:42am

And I bet the media will say mental illness.

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Iwouldprefernotto Sep 14, 2015 • 9:51:17am

re: #368 Jenner7

JUST IN: NBC names Arnold Schwarzenegger the new host of ‘Celebrity Apprentice’

Is there going to be a sleeping with the maid contest?

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Fourth Football of the Apocalypse Sep 14, 2015 • 9:52:55am

re: #398 Backwoods_Sleuth

“This case is far from over. We will not rest until a permanent accommodation is made for Kim Davis,” said Mat Staver, Founder and Chairman of Liberty Counsel. “Lest anyone think what Kim Davis is facing is unique to her, you would be wrong. She is one of millions of people in the public and private sector whose deeply held religious convictions will collide with the opinion of five Supreme Court Justices issued just over two months ago,” concluded Staver.

Jeebus what a prick.

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HappyWarrior Sep 14, 2015 • 9:53:35am

re: #401 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse

Jeebus what a prick.

I guess he’s forgetting that most Ameicans disagree with his jackassed side. That or they don’t count. You can disagree with the decision all you want but SSM is the law of the land now. They had their chance to convince the court that SSM shouldn’t be constitutional and they failed because their arguments were based on homophobia not actual law.

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jaunte Sep 14, 2015 • 9:53:42am

Theodore Shoebat says “sodomites” must be forced to submit to Christianity through “death and strong suppression”: http://t.co/jM4ww6Y5bO

— Right Wing Watch (@RightWingWatch) September 14, 2015

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Eventual Carrion Sep 14, 2015 • 9:54:36am

re: #403 jaunte

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Teddy Batshit sounds like a reasonable person.

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HappyWarrior Sep 14, 2015 • 9:54:49am

re: #403 jaunte

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What the fuck. Is this the “reformed terrorist?”

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Dr Lizardo Sep 14, 2015 • 9:54:56am

re: #398 Backwoods_Sleuth

re: #401 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse

Sounds to me like lawfare - similar to the kind of shit the Sovereign Citizens do. Frivolous lawsuits and the like.

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Fourth Football of the Apocalypse Sep 14, 2015 • 9:55:15am

re: #401 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse

She is one of millions of people in the public and private sector whose deeply held religious convictions will collide with the ~~opinion of five Supreme Court Justices issued just over two months ago~~ the rule of law,”

Funny how the Constitution-lovers don’t seem to love majority opinions issued by the Constitutional branch of government known as the Supreme Court.

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jaunte Sep 14, 2015 • 9:55:48am

Schools in Mississippi Where Concealed Guns on Campus are Permitted by Law
armedcampuses.org

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HappyWarrior Sep 14, 2015 • 9:56:04am

Your honor, my client’s tantrum should come before settled law.

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Fourth Football of the Apocalypse Sep 14, 2015 • 9:56:16am

re: #402 HappyWarrior

I guess he’s forgetting that most Ameicans disagree with his jackassed side. That or they don’t count. You can disagree with the decision all you want but SSM is the law of the land now. They had their chance to convince the court that SSM shouldn’t be constitutional and they failed because their arguments were based on homophobia not actual law.

Actual gay people wanting to get married don’t count to Matt or his client.

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Dr. Matt Sep 14, 2015 • 9:56:20am

re: #398 Backwoods_Sleuth

“This case is far from over. We will not rest until a permanent accommodation is made for Kim Davis,” said Mat Staver, Founder and Chairman of Liberty Counsel. “Lest anyone think what Kim Davis is facing is unique to her, you would be wrong. She is one of millions of people in the public and private sector whose deeply held religious convictions will collide with the opinion of five Supreme Court Justices issued just over two months ago,” concluded Staver.

Permanent accommodation for a bigot. Sigh. Her permanent accommodation is to quit her 80K/year job.

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Dr Lizardo Sep 14, 2015 • 9:56:23am

re: #403 jaunte

LOLOLOL just like ISIS.

Tell me there’s a difference when all is said and done. ISIS is on the outside what extremist Christian fundies are on the inside.

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HappyWarrior Sep 14, 2015 • 9:56:44am

re: #410 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse

Actual gay people wanting to get married don’t count to Matt or his client.

They really don’t.

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Fourth Football of the Apocalypse Sep 14, 2015 • 9:57:32am

re: #413 HappyWarrior

They really don’t.

Gay people and their allies have been disappeared, according to the “Liberty” “Counsel”.

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HappyWarrior Sep 14, 2015 • 9:57:43am

re: #412 Dr Lizardo

LOLOLOL just like ISIS.

Tell me there’s a difference when all is said and done. ISIS is on the outside what extremist Christian fundies are on the inside.

There really is no difference between the two. The only thing that keeps these people from being like ISIS is thankfully our own stability as a nation and society. A less stable environment and Mat and his friends would definitely be attacking “heretics.”

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jaunte Sep 14, 2015 • 9:57:54am

re: #412 Dr Lizardo

LOLOLOL just like ISIS.

Tell me there’s a difference when all is said and done. ISIS is on the outside what extremist Christian fundies are on the inside.

Note that last sentence at the link:

Allow us to point out once again that Shoebat is not just some fringe zealot, but was actually featured in Janet Porter’s anti-gay documentary “Light Wins” along with several Republican members of Congress and GOP presidential candidates Mike Huckabee and Rand Paul. - See more at: rightwingwatch.org

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Archangelus Sep 14, 2015 • 9:57:57am

re: #397 HappyWarrior

That won’t stop Dana, Wayne, and the gunfucking brigade.

Yep, they’ll just do their best to change the narrative… expect to hear a lot about “mental illness” and how not enough is being done about that over the next couple of days from the direction of the usual barrel-sodomizing bunch…

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HappyWarrior Sep 14, 2015 • 9:58:21am

re: #416 jaunte

Note that last sentence at the link:

Rand Paul but but I thought he was for freedumb.

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Fourth Football of the Apocalypse Sep 14, 2015 • 9:58:40am

re: #411 Dr. Matt

Permanent accommodation for a bigot. Sigh. Her permanent accommodation is to quit her 80K/year job.

And what sort of “accommodation” is Davis seeking? The right to not have to do her job or accommodate the actual rule of law?

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jaunte Sep 14, 2015 • 9:59:00am

Rand Paul is for Rand Paul. I think it stops there.

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jaunte Sep 14, 2015 • 10:00:24am

Also see: Ted Cruz, Mike Huckabee.

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Fourth Football of the Apocalypse Sep 14, 2015 • 10:00:30am

re: #403 jaunte

Theodore Shoebat says “sodomites” must be forced to submit to Christianity through “death and strong suppression”:

Less Government. Freedom. Liberty. Get Government Off Our Backs.

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Backwoods_Sleuth Sep 14, 2015 • 10:00:49am

re: #419 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse

And what sort of “accommodation” is Davis seeking? The right to not have to do her job or accommodate the actual rule of law?

She wants her name taken off the licenses.

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HappyWarrior Sep 14, 2015 • 10:01:11am

She in short wants to be able to keep her job which makes 2.5 more than the median income owner of Rowan County while not having to do a part of her job. If you or I tried to get out of a key aspect of a job like that, we’d be fired. As a public official, she cannot technically be fired by the state. Here’s another scary thought. She’s a Democrat as we know, I bet her Republican opponents are even worse. I was reading about the rise of the GOP in the South and a lot of these guys got their starts by trying to out bigot the incumbent Democrat and that’s how many of them got their first success in the South.

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Fourth Football of the Apocalypse Sep 14, 2015 • 10:02:36am

re: #423 Backwoods_Sleuth

She wants her name taken off the licenses.

Didn’t the ones issued in her absence-prison stay leave off her name as well?

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Backwoods_Sleuth Sep 14, 2015 • 10:03:08am

re: #425 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse

Didn’t the ones issued in her absence-prison stay leave off her name as well?

yep. And her name isn’t in the licenses issued today.

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Backwoods_Sleuth Sep 14, 2015 • 10:03:46am

oh, gag me…

Attorneys for Davis call her “bravest woman in America”. #WSAZ #Rowan #KimDavis pic.twitter.com/FNWToPm6O8

— Dan Griffin (@WSAZDanGriffin) September 14, 2015

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Fourth Football of the Apocalypse Sep 14, 2015 • 10:03:46am

re: #426 Backwoods_Sleuth

yep. And her name isn’t in the licenses issued today.

So I’d think she’d be good with that.

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HappyWarrior Sep 14, 2015 • 10:03:55am

What’s really telling is LC wants Davis to be able to fire the clerks that are issuing the certificates.

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jaunte Sep 14, 2015 • 10:04:26am

re: #424 HappyWarrior

She in short wants to be able to keep her job which makes 2.5 more than the median income owner of Rowan County while not having to do a part of her job.

And, she wants to cloud the legality of the licenses issued by her assistants.

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HappyWarrior Sep 14, 2015 • 10:04:53am

re: #427 Backwoods_Sleuth

oh, gag me…

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Well they have a point. There is a certain amount of bravery, rather bravado that goes with denying people their rights under the law and then claiming that you are a victim but I doubt that’s what Stayer meant.

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Fourth Football of the Apocalypse Sep 14, 2015 • 10:06:16am

re: #416 jaunte

Since homosexuality is against the sacrament of marriage, which is the building block of society, then it is against the common good, and the very Faith of our civilization, and thus is an enemy to the Christian people and should be treated as sedition. Let the heretics who believe in such license read where St. Paul refers to these sodomites as “deserving of death,” and also those who “approve of those who practice them” (Romans 1:32), and let them dare say that homosexuality should be allowed in a Christian society … A small step is a great fall, and a little leaven spoils the whole batch; if we allow such wickedness to be done in incriminates [sic], then they will soon be done in great numbers. Crush the eggs of the baby serpents before they hatch. The sodomite, the atheist, the fanatic feminist, the Muslim — all such must be deemed as criminals and enemies to civilization, for they war against the Faith, promote death and hate life.

He sounds nice….

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Fourth Football of the Apocalypse Sep 14, 2015 • 10:09:05am

re: #432 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse

The sodomite, the atheist, the fanatic feminist, the Muslim — all such must be deemed as criminals and enemies to civilization, for they war against the Faith, promote death and hate life.

Oh, you know, just good ole Strict Constitutionalism.

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Dr Lizardo Sep 14, 2015 • 10:10:33am

re: #431 HappyWarrior

Well they have a point. There is a certain amount of bravery, rather bravado that goes with denying people their rights under the law and then claiming that you are a victim but I doubt that’s what Stayer meant.

Actually, that’s called chutzpah. Sort of like a man who murders his parents and then throws himself on the mercy of the court, claiming he’s an orphan.

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HappyWarrior Sep 14, 2015 • 10:11:22am

re: #434 Dr Lizardo

Actually, that’s called chutzpah. Sort of like a man who murders his parents and then throws himself on the mercy of the court, claiming he’s an orphan.

D’oh. Thanks.

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Backwoods_Sleuth Sep 14, 2015 • 10:11:30am

“This is not just about #KimDavis anymore,” says attorney. Says millions of Americans are having to choose btwn religion and livelihood.

— Emily Maher (@WLKYEmily) September 14, 2015

yep…just ask those who lost health insurance coverage as a result of Hobby Lobby.

asshat.

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jaunte Sep 14, 2015 • 10:13:41am

Submitted without comment. pic.twitter.com/k6qwYc8hkB

— Dominic Holden (@dominicholden) September 14, 2015

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jaunte Sep 14, 2015 • 10:13:59am

The deputy clerks in Rowan County deserve medals for their patience with reporters & cameras in their grill for weeks. They’ve never snapped
— Dominic Holden (@dominicholden) September 14, 2015

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Fourth Football of the Apocalypse Sep 14, 2015 • 10:14:01am

re: #436 Backwoods_Sleuth

This is not just about #KimDavis anymore,” says attorney. Says millions of Americans are having to choose btwn religion and livelihood.

But Davis isn’t doing such choosing. She’s getting paid to not do her job.

And of course, again, no mention of the rights, liberties and equality of gay people.

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HappyWarrior Sep 14, 2015 • 10:14:01am

re: #436 Backwoods_Sleuth

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yep…just ask those who lost health insurance coverage as a result of Hobby Lobby.

asshat.

Last I saw, asshole, no one was forcing your client to perform the marriage. She lives in a country that has legalized SSM. That is the law. You or her don’t have to like it but if you’re going to be involved as a public servant where such law exists, your client is obligated to follow it if she wants to keep her job. She can’t have it both ways. Maybe a Muslim clerk should deny your application for something you want and we’ll see how you feel about religion being used as a reason to deny someone their legal rights.

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Kafitrar Sep 14, 2015 • 10:14:59am

In this week’s edition of Republican legislators gone wild, two Minnesota House representatives have publicly apologized for accusing a park ranger of lying. The ranger had cited the pair for making out in a public park. Reps. Tara Mack and Tim Kelly, who are married to other people, had threatened to lodge a formal complaint against the ranger. In addition to their apology, the pair will pay the citation and step down from the House Ethics panel (You can’t make this up).

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HappyWarrior Sep 14, 2015 • 10:15:00am

re: #439 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse

But Davis isn’t doing such choosing. She’s getting paid to not do her job.

And of course, again, no mention of the rights, liberties and equality of gay people.

They don’t even say gay people as people. That’s why I refuse to debate or discuss the issue with them.

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HappyWarrior Sep 14, 2015 • 10:15:36am

re: #441 Kafitrar

In this week’s edition of Republican legislators gone wild, two Minnesota House representatives have publicly apologized for accusing a park ranger of lying. The ranger had cited the pair for making out in a public park. Reps. Tara Mack and Tim Kelly, who are married to other people, had threatened to lodge a formal complaint against the ranger. In addition to their apology, the pair will pay the citation and step down from the House Ethics panel (You can’t make this up).

I am sure they’re both a delight at the family values cicus.

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Kragar Sep 14, 2015 • 10:17:46am

Kim Davis makes KY lawmakers question ‘whether county clerks are worth the time and money’ http://t.co/V18Nm5MEPV

— Kragar (@Kragar_LGF) September 14, 2015

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Backwoods_Sleuth Sep 14, 2015 • 10:19:46am

bwahahahahaaaaaa

Attorneys say she wants to comply, doesn’t want to be whipping post or martyr. #WSAZ

— Dan Griffin (@WSAZDanGriffin) September 14, 2015

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Backwoods_Sleuth Sep 14, 2015 • 10:21:07am

Attorneys say Gov. has been quick to pass “hot potato” to someone else. #WSAZ

— Dan Griffin (@WSAZDanGriffin) September 14, 2015

No, asshats, Gov. Beshear knows how the legal process actually works, which obviously you do not.

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Fourth Football of the Apocalypse Sep 14, 2015 • 10:22:06am

re: #441 Kafitrar

Mack and Kelly — who are married to other people — originally called the officer’s account “an absolute lie,” insisting they met in Lebanon Hills Regional Park in Eagan to swap documents relating to a health insurance company. They vowed to lodge a formal complaint against the ranger.

Bad. Lame. Needs moar cloak and dagger.

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Fourth Football of the Apocalypse Sep 14, 2015 • 10:23:05am

re: #445 Backwoods_Sleuth

Attorneys say she wants to comply

No, no she doesn’t.

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Backwoods_Sleuth Sep 14, 2015 • 10:24:32am

Attorneys say Gov. Beshear and legislature need to take action to stop the legal limbo. #WSAZ

— Dan Griffin (@WSAZDanGriffin) September 14, 2015

Actually, no they don’t. Kim just needs to do her damned job and shut up about her religion.

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HappyWarrior Sep 14, 2015 • 10:25:22am

re: #448 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse

No, no she doesn’t.

She’s shown no desire at all to comply with the law. None. Her attorneys aren’t fooling anyone with this crap. Another strike out for Liberty Counsel.

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Fourth Football of the Apocalypse Sep 14, 2015 • 10:25:45am

re: #449 Backwoods_Sleuth

Attorneys say Gov. Beshear and legislature need to take action to stop the attorneys from filing frivolous lawsuits ~~the legal limbo~~.

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Backwoods_Sleuth Sep 14, 2015 • 10:26:17am

heh

@WSAZDanGriffin They have. KimDavis is throwing a tantrum&will be SO PISSED when God sends her 2purgatory in a gay disco as their bartender

— Chandra M. Jordan (@ChandraMJordan) September 14, 2015

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Fourth Football of the Apocalypse Sep 14, 2015 • 10:26:46am

re: #450 HappyWarrior

She’s shown no desire at all to comply with the law. None. Her attorneys aren’t fooling anyone with this crap. Another strike out for Liberty Counsel.

She went to jail, defiantly, proudly, rather than “comply”.

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HappyWarrior Sep 14, 2015 • 10:27:56am

re: #453 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse

She went to jail, defiantly, proudly, rather than “comply”.

Right, she did the total opposite of comply. She brought in the circus- Huckabee, Perkins, Fischer, Cruz.

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Jenner7 Sep 14, 2015 • 10:30:12am

Congrats to my friend @Schwarzenegger who is doing next season’s Celebrity Apprentice. He’ll be great & will raise lots of $ for charity.

— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) September 14, 2015

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Dr Lizardo Sep 14, 2015 • 10:32:29am

re: #455 Jenner7

Well, whaddaya know? Donald Tweeted something genuinely classy.

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Eric The Fruit Bat Sep 14, 2015 • 10:33:15am

Oh joy-another vertigo attack. later…

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Eventual Carrion Sep 14, 2015 • 10:34:23am

re: #437 jaunte

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Might as well be upside down as much as they are ass backwards.

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Lidane Sep 14, 2015 • 10:34:41am

Hate group to honor Kim Davis at DC summit, compares her to actual religious persecution victims http://t.co/xO5EcrZfWe

— Right Wing Watch (@RightWingWatch) September 14, 2015

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HappyWarrior Sep 14, 2015 • 10:37:46am

re: #459 Lidane

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These people are genuinely evil.

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Fourth Football of the Apocalypse Sep 14, 2015 • 10:38:25am

re: #456 Dr Lizardo

Well, whaddaya know? Donald Tweeted something genuinely classy.

Broken clock….

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Backwoods_Sleuth Sep 14, 2015 • 10:38:57am

wingnut logic.

“She’s not looking to pick a fight with anyone,” attorney says of #KimDavis decision not issue marriage licenses.

— Emily Maher (@WLKYEmily) September 14, 2015

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Fourth Football of the Apocalypse Sep 14, 2015 • 10:39:53am

re: #459 Lidane

Another county clerk in Kentucky who is trying to prevent same-sex couples from receiving marriage licenses, Casey Davis (no relation), is also scheduled to speak at the summit. He has gone so far as to say that he may die in his fight against gay marriage.

OFFS

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Fourth Football of the Apocalypse Sep 14, 2015 • 10:40:28am

re: #457 Eric The Fruit Bat

Oh joy-another vertigo attack. later…

Sorry to hear this, feel better. I also get this from time to time.

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Kragar Sep 14, 2015 • 10:41:00am

5 Insane Things I Was Taught In Abstinence-Only Sex Ed http://t.co/WaigDjPAVa

— Kragar (@Kragar_LGF) September 14, 2015

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HappyWarrior Sep 14, 2015 • 10:41:09am

re: #462 Backwoods_Sleuth

wingnut logic.

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Oh yeah? Tell that to the people who she has denied certificates to because of her temper tantrum. If you’re going to be a discriminating bigot, don’t act like you’re not impacting anyone. Just admit it, your client hates gay people and doesn’t think they should have rights under the law. God these people are pathetic.

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HappyWarrior Sep 14, 2015 • 10:41:41am

re: #465 Kragar

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Read that on my way into work today, it’s yet another indictment on fundamentalist Christianity IMO.

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Fourth Football of the Apocalypse Sep 14, 2015 • 10:41:57am

re: #459 Lidane

On the positive side, we will soon have another hate-fest “conference” to ridicule.

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Blind Frog Belly White Sep 14, 2015 • 10:42:33am

re: #463 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse

OFFS

Well, yeah, like if he rides against traffic, or gets taken out by a texting driver while on his Ride To Deny Rights.

But I thought he’d already finished that.

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Blind Frog Belly White Sep 14, 2015 • 10:43:51am

re: #457 Eric The Fruit Bat

Oh joy-another vertigo attack. later…

Ooo, sorry to hear that. I had one of those month or two ago. It wasn’t too intense, but having never had one, definitely alarming.

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Fourth Football of the Apocalypse Sep 14, 2015 • 10:44:00am

re: #469 Blind Frog Belly White

Well, yeah, like if he rides against traffic, or gets taken out by a texting driver while on his Ride To Deny Rights.

But I thought he’d already finished that.

Pay attention to me, tooooo!!!!!!1

Oooh yeah I got invited to the Values Voters Conference!!!! Winning!!!!1 I’ll be famous soon, right a book!!! Go on Fox News!!1

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Backwoods_Sleuth Sep 14, 2015 • 10:45:06am

re: #463 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse

OFFS

Casey Davis is mad because no one (gay or straight) has showed up at his county’s office yet to ask for a license so he can tell them “no” and get martyr cookies like Kim got.

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Fourth Football of the Apocalypse Sep 14, 2015 • 10:45:33am

re: #469 Blind Frog Belly White

Well, yeah, like if he rides against traffic, or gets taken out by a texting driver while on his Ride To Deny Rights.

But I thought he’d already finished that.

So I wonder what’s happening at this guy’s office, if there have been any SSM applicants and what happened.

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Fourth Football of the Apocalypse Sep 14, 2015 • 10:47:12am

re: #472 Backwoods_Sleuth

Casey Davis is mad because no one (gay or straight) has showed up at his county’s office yet to ask for a license so he can tell them “no” and get martyr cookies like Kim got.

Casey at the bat Davis makes note to self: find some gays and invite them to get marriage license at my clerk office then deny them! Winning!!!

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Blind Frog Belly White Sep 14, 2015 • 10:47:18am

re: #473 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse

It would have been a frakkin’ SCREAM if, while off riding across Kentucky, a same-sex couple had come in for a license, and the assistant clerk said, “Sure! Here you go!” Definitely Sad Trombone time.

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klys (maker of Silmarils) Sep 14, 2015 • 10:47:22am

Valley Fire burns structures at The Geysers geothermal complex http://t.co/LVN5vUdt3s #valleyfire

— North Coast Politics (@NorCalPol) September 14, 2015

Note: there are no actual geysers there.

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Blind Frog Belly White Sep 14, 2015 • 10:49:49am

re: #476 klys (maker of Silmarils)

But hey, Carly says it’s all because of Lib’ruls and their environmental regulations allowing all that water from rain to flow into the ocean, rather than because it didn’t fucking ran or snow here the last 5 years. If only we’d built more dams, then it would have rained.

Or something.

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klys (maker of Silmarils) Sep 14, 2015 • 10:51:57am

re: #477 Blind Frog Belly White

I thought it’s that we’re a bunch of heathens who don’t pray enough.

I can never keep it straight.

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ObserverArt Sep 14, 2015 • 10:58:22am

This whole Kentucky thing is getting stupidly out of hand.

But you know what really gets me? I’ve heard very little mention by anyone that this is exactly why there is separation of church and state. Sure there is all kinds of talk about the first amendment, but it is only coming from the side of free practice of religion and the state not being able to stand in the way.

I am pretty sure the forefathers also knew there was a need for the religious to step out of the way of the states business. Why the hell is that not being pounded into the whole debate.

It’d be pretty easy to show how this is the very reason nothing is getting done in Kentucky, money is being wasted, people lives interrupted, etc. And for what? Nothing.

We have religious big mouths yapping and taking up all the space in the debate. We need someone from the Constitution side explaining the downside of religious people getting out of hand.

Hello media, Democrats, Constitutional scholars…you need to get in line and get your say. We need you.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge Sep 14, 2015 • 11:03:33am

re: #463 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse

OFFS

Well, if he quits his overpaid paper-pusher job, refuses to get another job because Jesus, and then starves to death, he can call himself a religious martyr (a stupid one, but what else ya got?) Until then: shut up, Casey.

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