Anti-Gay Kentucky Clerk Kim Davis Will Receive Award From Anti-Gay Hate Group

And now, the cashing in
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Anti-gay hate group Family Research Council announced today that they’re giving their “Cost of Discipleship Award” to none other than Kentucky Clerk Kim Davis, as she begins the usual right wing cycle of cashing in on her high-profile bigotry.

In announcing the award, Perkins praised Davis for her “courage” in standing up to “militant secularists”:

“We are pleased to announce that Kim Davis will be honored at this year’s Values Voter Summit. After meeting with her last week, I can tell you that Kim Davis wasn’t looking for this fight, but she is not running from it either. What militant secularists are almost certainly afraid of is what is coming to pass: courage is breeding courage. When other people might have cowered in fear, Kim took a stand. And today, millions of Americans stand with her and for the religious freedom upon which our nation was founded.

“Far from the media’s portrayal, Kim isn’t trying to impose her views on anyone, she is simply asking that her orthodox religious views be accommodated.

“The courage of Rowan County Clerk Kim Davis isn’t just changing the conversation — it’s changing the political landscape. In places like Missouri, where state officials watched with horror as Davis was hauled off to jail for her Christian beliefs, leaders are moving quickly to protect their people from the same fate. The Supreme Court created this mess — now it’s incumbent on states to protect the victims mired in it.

“While the Court redefined marriage, it did not redefine the First Amendment. Thank goodness for people of courage like Kim Davis, who refuses to let religious liberty be trampled by legal tyranny. We applaud her. In the face of intense pressure, she’s shown more courage than 99 percent of the elected officials in Kentucky,” concluded Perkins.

UPDATE at 9/14/15 11:09:50 am by Charles Johnson

Just in: Kim Davis extreme religious right law firm, Liberty Counsel, just announced that Davis is going to file a new lawsuit against Kentucky Gov. Beshear, claiming he’s violating her “religious freedom” and seeking an exemption so she can continue discriminating against gays.

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247 comments
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HappyWarrior  Sep 14, 2015 • 10:49:59am

Perkins is a clerical fascist. It’s that simple.

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Dr. Matt  Sep 14, 2015 • 10:50:05am

I’ve got an award for her:

Anti-Gay Kentucky Clerk Kim Davis Will Receive Award From Anti-Gay Hate Group Read more at littlegreenfootballs.com
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jaunte  Sep 14, 2015 • 10:51:25am
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Blind Frog Belly White  Sep 14, 2015 • 10:52:25am

re: #2 Dr. Matt

I’ve picked up a lot of poop, especially since getting Greyhounds, and it never looks like that. Even the customary Greyhound Soft-Serve.

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Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Sep 14, 2015 • 10:52:37am
Anti-gay hate group Family Research Council announced today that they’re giving their “Cost of Discipleship Award” to none other than Kentucky Clerk Kim Davis, as she begins the usual right wing cycle of cashing in on her high-profile bigotry.

The Cost of Discipleship being no doubt a reference to a book by Dietrich Bonheiffer, noted anti-Nazi preacher imprisoned by the Nazis and executed in the waning days of WWII in a concentration camp.

So, you know, nothing like what Kim Davis has done or been through.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 14, 2015 • 10:53:21am

re: #5 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse

The Cost of Discipleship being no doubt a reference to a book by Dietrich Bonheiffer, noted anti-Nazi preacher imprisoned by the Nazis and executed in the waning days of WWII in a concentration camp.

So, you know, nothing like what Kim Davis has done or been through.

Nothing even close but Perkins and the RR love getting their martyr on.

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Skip Intro  Sep 14, 2015 • 10:53:27am

Just a little payback for helping Tony hump his book.

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Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Sep 14, 2015 • 10:53:33am

re: #2 Dr. Matt

I’ve got an award for her:

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Does CCJ give those out?

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makeitstop  Sep 14, 2015 • 10:55:40am

re: #8 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse

Does CCJ give those out?

No, he’s just the manufacturer.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 14, 2015 • 10:55:44am
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Franklin  Sep 14, 2015 • 10:57:12am

re: #2 Dr. Matt

I’ve got an award for her:

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If there is not a name for that award already, I have suggest ‘The Golden Deuce’.

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Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Sep 14, 2015 • 10:58:06am

re: #10 Backwoods_Sleuth

One of Kim Davis’ lawyers says she’ll sue Gov Beshear again, now in state court, for not changing Ky law for her. ^JC

I don’t doubt Davis’ religious beliefs. I’m sure she’s sincere. But I have to wonder about the god she believes in, a god who would condemn Kim to eternal damnation if her name is on a SSM license but will give her a pass if her name isn’t on the forms. If that’s what she actually believes.

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Lidane  Sep 14, 2015 • 10:58:45am

Wheee!

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Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Sep 14, 2015 • 10:58:59am

re: #10 Backwoods_Sleuth

One of Kim Davis’ lawyers says she’ll sue Gov Beshear again, now in state court, for not changing Ky law for her

I’m sure this suit will be successful.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Sep 14, 2015 • 10:59:26am

re: #3 jaunte

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A modest woman with much to be modest about.

What bothers me most about Kim Davis isn’t her narrow mindedness, or her revolting choice of lawyers or political champions. A month ago, she was just a boring County Clerk, whose idea of right and wrong was informed by bigots and supported by lots and lots of people. She’s the product of her environment.

What bothers me is her sense of entitlement. She feel entitled to her job, even when she’s unwilling to do it. We don’t have hereditary public service jobs in America. That’s antithetical to our principles. Yet she holds the position her mother held, which she hopes to hand down to her son, all while insisting on not doing her job. The rest of us have to DO OUR JOBS to keep them, and even then a lot of people don’t get to keep them for reasons having nothing to do with their performance. Nobody has the right to a particular job, let alone one they won’t do.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 14, 2015 • 10:59:54am

another goalpost!

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Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Sep 14, 2015 • 10:59:58am

re: #15 Blind Frog Belly White

QFT

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Iwouldprefernotto  Sep 14, 2015 • 11:00:04am

Obama gets a Nobel Peace Prize. Kim Davis gets a prize from a hate group. One of these is slightly more prestigious than the other.

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jaunte  Sep 14, 2015 • 11:00:10am

re: #5 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse

Bonhoeffer drew a distinction between cheap grace and costly grace. So far Kim Davis hasn’t even given up her job.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 14, 2015 • 11:00:17am

re: #15 Blind Frog Belly White

A modest woman with much to be modest about.

What bothers me most about Kim Davis isn’t her narrow mindedness, or her revolting choice of lawyers or political champions. A month ago, she was just a boring County Clerk, whose idea of right and wrong was informed by bigots and supported by lots and lots of people. She’s the product of her environment.

What bothers me is her sense of entitlement. She feel entitled to her job, even when she’s unwilling to do it. We don’t have hereditary public service jobs in America. That’s antithetical to our principles. Yet she holds the position her mother held, which she hopes to hand down to her son, all while insisting on not doing her job. The rest of us have to DO OUR JOBS to keep them, and even then a lot of people don’t get to keep them for reasons having nothing to do with their performance. Nobody has the right to a particular job, let alone one they won’t do.

Nailed it.

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Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Sep 14, 2015 • 11:01:38am

re: #16 Backwoods_Sleuth

Attorney says #KimDavis is OK with recording marriage lic in her office. Says problem is being person who authorizes licenses.

She sounds like a hostage-taker.

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Charles Johnson  Sep 14, 2015 • 11:02:33am

Here we go.

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Lidane  Sep 14, 2015 • 11:03:09am

re: #16 Backwoods_Sleuth

Simple solution — quit your job.

Oh. Wait. She’s a minimally skilled high school grad who’s been in the same office since high school. She makes a guaranteed $80K a year. She’d never get that kind of money in the private sector in 2015 and she knows it. Ergo, we’re stuck bearing witness to all this failure on her part.

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jaunte  Sep 14, 2015 • 11:03:23am
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Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Sep 14, 2015 • 11:03:56am

re: #16 Backwoods_Sleuth

Says problem is being person who authorizes licenses.

So she doesn’t want her job or want to do her job.

There’s always that “resign” option.

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Decatur Deb  Sep 14, 2015 • 11:04:37am

re: #15 Blind Frog Belly White

…snip A month ago, she was just a boring County Clerk, whose idea of right and wrong was informed by bigots and supported by lots and lots of people. ….

” Two or three years ago it was just another snake cult, now… they’re everywhere. It is said that they are deceivers… “

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Iwouldprefernotto  Sep 14, 2015 • 11:05:03am

I can’t imagine her NOT getting voted out of office. I know she has supporters, but a hell of a lot of people are getting tired of her act and find her embarrassing.

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Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Sep 14, 2015 • 11:05:45am

re: #27 Iwouldprefernotto

I can’t imagine her NOT getting voted out of office. I know she has supporters, but a hell of a lot of people are getting tired of her act and find her embarrassing.

If she gets voted out that would be Christian persecution.

//

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Belafon  Sep 14, 2015 • 11:05:50am

#2 Dr. Matt:

If you’ve watched American Dad, Roger, the alien, poops jewel encrusted ones. The humans that end up with it act like they’ve gotten the ring from LoTR, and it destroys their lives.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 14, 2015 • 11:08:23am

Just imagine though, her Republican opponent could be even worse.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 14, 2015 • 11:08:35am

re: #27 Iwouldprefernotto

I can’t imagine her NOT getting voted out of office. I know she has supporters, but a hell of a lot of people are getting tired of her act and find her embarrassing.

She won by 465 votes (out of 7,353 votes cast).
I think it’s pretty safe to say that she won because of her mom.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 14, 2015 • 11:09:36am

re: #31 Backwoods_Sleuth

She won by 465 votes (out of 7,353 votes cast).
I think it’s pretty safe to say that she won because of her mom.

When is the election? This fall?

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No Country For Old Haters  Sep 14, 2015 • 11:09:45am

The Conservative inverse-meritocracy strikes again. In this hateful, fantasy-based subculture, shit floats to the top.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 14, 2015 • 11:12:28am

re: #32 HappyWarrior

When is the election? This fall?

She was elected last November, took office this past January.
Her term is four years.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 14, 2015 • 11:13:20am

re: #34 Backwoods_Sleuth

She was elected last November, took office this past January.
Her term is four years.

Ah okay, thanks. I think our local elections are this fall since I’ve been seeing the sheriff signs and such.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Sep 14, 2015 • 11:14:22am

More video from our fortunate last-minute evacuee.

Language is still NSFW, although not overly loud.

Heading toward Middletown on through Valley Fire

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jaunte  Sep 14, 2015 • 11:15:45am

I hope the Swiss Guard is on alert.

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Targetpractice  Sep 14, 2015 • 11:15:59am

re: #34 Backwoods_Sleuth

She was elected last November, took office this past January.
Her term is four years.

Which means odds are that she’ll sail through to reelection on a wave of amnesia/malaise, as votes forget in three years just why she was the subject of so much controversy or decide that it was “overblown.”

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Nyet  Sep 14, 2015 • 11:17:42am

100 Years of Hamster Beauty in 60 Seconds

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HappyWarrior  Sep 14, 2015 • 11:17:42am

re: #38 Targetpractice

Which means odds are that she’ll sail through to reelection on a wave of amnesia/malaise, as votes forget in three years just why she was the subject of so much controversy or decide that it was “overblown.”

Yep sigh.

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No Country For Old Haters  Sep 14, 2015 • 11:18:27am

re: #10 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Decatur Deb  Sep 14, 2015 • 11:19:01am

re: #38 Targetpractice

Which means odds are that she’ll sail through to reelection on a wave of amnesia/malaise, as votes forget in three years just why she was the subject of so much controversy or decide that it was “overblown.”

Marion Barry
David Vitter
Kay Davis

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Sep 14, 2015 • 11:19:48am

re: #31 Backwoods_Sleuth

She won by 465 votes (out of 7,353 votes cast).
I think it’s pretty safe to say that she won because of her mom.

So that’s 53.16/46.84. A Landslide™! Well, that’s what they said about the same numbers when it was Bush/Dukakis.

Seriously, though, A lot of people probably just voted for her because her Mom was County Clerk, and Kim had been working there for years. (The “Experience” fallacy.)

EDIT: Misprint corrected

Wouldn’t be surprised if the percentages were reversed next time.

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nines09  Sep 14, 2015 • 11:20:24am

Ask Kim if God makes junk. No? Ok. Ask Kim if her God is infallible. If so, she is denying children of God equal rights under the rule of law. Oh I forgot. Kim just picks and chooses chapter and verse to fit her world view. Divorced. Probably committed adultery. Eats shrimp or shellfish. Wears mixed fabric. Did she ever work on The Sabbath? Who can pay attention when she has her own personal ax to grind. A modest woman would never impose her will on people she is supposed to serve. But that’s besides the point when you have hay to make. The politicians who support her are nothing short of ticks. Her lawyer is a dolt. Creeping Christian Law.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 14, 2015 • 11:20:43am

re: #43 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

So that’s 53.16/43.84. A LandslideTM! Well, that’s what they said about the same numbers when it was Bush/Dukakis.

Seriously, though, A lot of people probably just voted for her because her Mom was County Clerk, and Kim had been working there for years. (The “Experience” fallacy.)

Wouldn’t be surprised if the percentages were reversed next time.

A name can really get you a long way in a smaller county like that.

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Decatur Deb  Sep 14, 2015 • 11:21:39am

re: #45 HappyWarrior

A name can really get you a long way in a smaller county like that.

A lot of Kentucky politics is about settling scores from the 1800’s.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 14, 2015 • 11:22:33am

re: #46 Decatur Deb

A lot of Kentucky politics is about settling scores from the 1800’s.

Doesn’t surprise me.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Sep 14, 2015 • 11:24:20am

I corrected my typo. It’s 53.16/46.84 %

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aagcobb  Sep 14, 2015 • 11:25:40am

re: #12 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse

I don’t doubt Davis’ religious beliefs. I’m sure she’s sincere. But I have to wonder about the god she believes in, a god who would condemn Kim to eternal damnation if her name is on a SSM license but will give her a pass if her name isn’t on the forms. If that’s what she actually believes.

Also he won’t forgive her for issuing same sex marriage licenses but he will forgive her for living in an adulterous relationship with her second/fourth husband rather then reconciling with her first husband or living in celibacy like Jesus required.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Sep 14, 2015 • 11:26:25am

re: #46 Decatur Deb

A lot of Kentucky politics is about settling scores from the 1800’s.

Well, the Serbs deliberately ignited WWI, hoping to grab off their “Greater Serbia” in the confusion, because they were butthurt over a battle they lost in 1389. Southern hillbillies are at least as stupid….

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plansbandc  Sep 14, 2015 • 11:26:56am

re: #44 nines09

Yes, but the gays are icky.

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aagcobb  Sep 14, 2015 • 11:27:03am

re: #16 Backwoods_Sleuth

another goalpost!

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God has mysterious rules concerning paperwork./

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Sep 14, 2015 • 11:27:42am

re: #52 aagcobb

God has mysterious rules concerning paperwork./

We think he can read and write because….

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Decatur Deb  Sep 14, 2015 • 11:27:53am

re: #50 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

You want to watch where you celebrate the Battle of the Boyne.

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Belafon  Sep 14, 2015 • 11:28:37am

#44 nines09: In her eyes, like all the others like her, think that gays choose to be that way, and are therefore choosing to live in sin. They could just choose to be straight.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Sep 14, 2015 • 11:29:17am

re: #54 Decatur Deb

You want to watch where you celebrate the Battle of the Boyne.

A few times I threatened to wear orange on St. Patrick’s day out of sheer contrarianism, but I was never brave enough to actually do it….

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Nyet  Sep 14, 2015 • 11:30:04am

re: #55 Belafon

#44 nines09: In her eyes, like all the others like her, think that gays choose to be that way, and are therefore choosing to live in sin. They could just choose to be straight.

If they’re asked “did you choose to be heterosexual?” and they answer “yes” it means that they’re bisexual, because when you have no attraction to same sex whatsoever, you can’t exactly choose.

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sffilk  Sep 14, 2015 • 11:30:17am

She so needs to get a taste of her own medicine. She needs to attempt to get her driver’s license renewed and get told that because she’s a woman, the clerk cannot in all good conscience issue her a new license because his version of G-D says a woman is not allowed to drive (as an example).

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HappyWarrior  Sep 14, 2015 • 11:30:43am

re: #56 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

A few times I threatened to wear orange on St. Patrick’s day out of sheer contrarianism, but I was never brave enough to actually do it….

You’d probably get more crap from Irish-Americans than the actual Irish. St. Paddy’s is a much bigger deal here while drinking wise than it is there.

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nines09  Sep 14, 2015 • 11:31:56am

re: #51 plansbandc

Yes, but the gays are icky.

//

Kim is a catch all right. I’ll bet that taxpayer funded paycheck makes her look real good in the right light….

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Sep 14, 2015 • 11:32:19am

re: #55 Belafon

#44 nines09: In her eyes, like all the others like her, think that gays choose to be that way, and are therefore choosing to live in sin. They could just choose to be straight.

Here’s the thing…I don’t remember “choosing” to be straight. It’s just about the deepest rock-bottom part of my personality, though. Why do they assume Gays are any different? Is it because they had to really think about it, and finally “decided” to be straight—but it’s such a struggle that they’re resentful of those who “chose” differently? Inquiring minds want to know!

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 14, 2015 • 11:32:35am

re: #58 sffilk

She so needs to get a taste of her own medicine. She needs to attempt to get her driver’s license renewed and get told that because she’s a woman, the clerk cannot in all good conscience issue her a new license because his version of G-D says a woman is not allowed to drive (as an example).

It’s a good thing that her own mom wasn’t rigidly religious, because her mom issued all four of Kim’s marriage licenses.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 14, 2015 • 11:33:29am

re: #62 Backwoods_Sleuth

It’s a good thing that her own mom wasn’t rigidly religious, because her mom issued all four of Kim’s marriage licenses.

or if the clerk had been devoutly Catholic. I am sorry but she’s so full of shit.

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nines09  Sep 14, 2015 • 11:33:45am

re: #56 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

A few times I threatened to wear orange on St. Patrick’s day out of sheer contrarianism, but I was never brave enough to actually do it….

In certain parts of the country you could wear all orange and scream
“Cromwell!!” all night and nobody would bat an eye.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Sep 14, 2015 • 11:33:56am

re: #52 aagcobb

God has mysterious rules concerning paperwork./

HUMPHREY: All right, settle down. Settle down. [clunk] Now, before I begin the lesson, will those of you who are playing in the match this afternoon move your clothes down onto the lower peg immediately after lunch, before you write your letter home, if you’re not getting your hair cut, unless you’ve got a younger brother who is going out this weekend as the guest of another boy, in which case, collect his note before lunch, put it in your letter after you’ve had your hair cut, and make sure he moves your clothes down onto the lower peg for you. Now,—

WYMER: Sir?

HUMPHREY: Yes, Wymer?

WYMER: My younger brother’s going out with Dibble this weekend, sir, but I’m not having my hair cut today, sir.

PUPILS: [chuckling]

WYMER: So, do I move my clothes down, or—

HUMPHREY: I do wish you’d listen, Wymer. It’s perfectly simple. If you’re not getting your hair cut, you don’t have to move your brother’s clothes down to the lower peg. You simply collect his note before lunch, after you’ve done your scripture prep, when you’ve written your letter home, before rest, move your own clothes onto the lower peg, greet the visitors, and report to Mr. Viney that you’ve had your chit signed.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Sep 14, 2015 • 11:33:59am

re: #59 HappyWarrior

You’d probably get more crap from Irish-Americans than the actual Irish. St. Paddy’s is a much bigger deal here while drinking wise than it is there.

Ah…like Cinco de Mayo. Real Mexicans say: “What’s that?”

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Decatur Deb  Sep 14, 2015 • 11:34:46am

We’ve finally got decent weather, so I’ve run out of excuses to not swap the Spring garden over to Fall. BBL.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 14, 2015 • 11:34:59am
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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Sep 14, 2015 • 11:35:26am

re: #64 nines09

In certain parts of the country you could wear all orange and scream
“Cromwell!!” all night and nobody would bat an eye.

Yeah—like here. So it wasn’t very brave at all….

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Iwouldprefernotto  Sep 14, 2015 • 11:36:20am

Is Twitter down? Keep getting error page.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 14, 2015 • 11:36:35am
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ObserverArt  Sep 14, 2015 • 11:36:53am

Wow. Reading that LGF election poll thread about the 2008 elections from late October of ‘08 that year is fascinating. It was discovered and posted in the last thread. Sorry, I can’t take my eyes off of it as it really is a great study in social politics.

The part I find most stunning is the rather large turnaround in some current members thinking. Some of it is downright revealing.

The other fascinating thing is the “group thinking” and how so many of the LGF folks went away in the years since. I guess I thought LGF was always a fair and open discussion board. If that were the case, I would think may of the people in that thread would have been disappointed McCain/Palin lost but would have stayed members for the future discussions, elections, etc.

But that is not the case. At least 70% of the people in that thread are no longer active or they were banned. I have a slight history as to what may have happened, but what has been explained by others in the meantime doesn’t account for all those numbers. I guess I’ll always be left wondering what the hell happened.

In case anyone wants to hit the way-back machine…

Link to old Poll “Who’s going to win the election - October 28, 2008

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HappyWarrior  Sep 14, 2015 • 11:36:55am

re: #66 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

Ah…like Cinco de Mayo. Real Mexicans say: “What’s that?”

Yeah that’s my understanding from what I’ve read from actual Irish people when it comes to Americans and St. Paddy’s day. I mean I wouldn’t go around celebrating Cromwell on that day or raising a pint to the Black and Tans but I don’t think the actual Irish are going to flip their shit if you wear Orange. After all, it is part of their flag. Green for the Catholics, Orange for the Protestants, and White for the peace between the two. A lot of people wrongly think the Troubles has been about Protestants versus Catholics and while it’s true that there are certainly more Republican Catholics than Unionist ones, there’s been a steady of tradition of Republican Protestants going back to Wolfe Tone and Robert Emmet Irish history pedant mode off :).

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HappyWarrior  Sep 14, 2015 • 11:38:53am

I think the reason I am obsessive about my Irish heritage is because I A) have an obsessive personality and B) it’s my way of remembering my grandmother. She’s been gone over 10 years now but I still think about her daily.

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aagcobb  Sep 14, 2015 • 11:39:23am

re: #68 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Oh man, that’s the funniest thing I’m going to read today. Thanks!

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 14, 2015 • 11:39:27am

LOL!
Kim, how are you being forced to do something that you STILL REFUSE TO DO?

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Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Sep 14, 2015 • 11:40:04am

re: #65 Blind Frog Belly White

What’s this from?

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HappyWarrior  Sep 14, 2015 • 11:40:14am

re: #76 Backwoods_Sleuth

LOL!
Kim, how are you being forced to do something that you STILL REFUSE TO DO?

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Then resign already if it bothers you so or face the jail time without complaining.

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No Country For Old Haters  Sep 14, 2015 • 11:40:51am

re: #76 Backwoods_Sleuth

LOL!
Kim, how are you being forced to do something that you STILL REFUSE TO DO?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 14, 2015 • 11:41:07am

re: #76 Backwoods_Sleuth

LOL!
Kim, how are you being forced to do something that you STILL REFUSE TO DO?

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Her son looks so creepy…

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Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Sep 14, 2015 • 11:41:16am

re: #76 Backwoods_Sleuth

LOL!
Kim, how are you being forced to do something that you STILL REFUSE TO DO?

“But if we can just change a few words on these marriage license forms all will be well.”

/

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nines09  Sep 14, 2015 • 11:41:27am

#76 Backwoods_Sleuth

That complaint would be more believable if in that photo the officers had their pistols to her head.

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No Country For Old Haters  Sep 14, 2015 • 11:42:21am

re: #80 Backwoods_Sleuth

Her son looks so creepy…

He was raised by a religious extremist, so that’s not surprising. He probably has some Josh Duggar and some Todd Starnes in him.

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Iwouldprefernotto  Sep 14, 2015 • 11:42:23am

re: #82 nines09

Hardly know their own history let alone somewhere else.

That complaint would be more believable if in that photo the officers had their pistols to her head.

Or if she was in a den of lions.

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nines09  Sep 14, 2015 • 11:42:32am

re: #80 Backwoods_Sleuth

Her son looks so creepy…

He’s adding up how much to pack, how much money he’d need and which direction to start hitch hiking

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jaunte  Sep 14, 2015 • 11:42:33am

re: #81 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse

“But if we can just change a few words on these marriage license forms all will be well.”
/

You have to wonder if God approves of their logic.

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Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Sep 14, 2015 • 11:43:10am

re: #76 Backwoods_Sleuth

Ky. clerk Kim Davis: I am being forced to disobey God; full story on her decision

So she’s been refusing to issue marriage licenses to previously divorced individuals her whole time in office?

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No Country For Old Haters  Sep 14, 2015 • 11:43:36am

re: #86 jaunte

You have to wonder if God approves of their logic.

The beauty of religion is that her god believes whatever she wants it to believe, and there’s no one there to tell her she’s wrong.

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jaunte  Sep 14, 2015 • 11:43:59am

re: #80 Backwoods_Sleuth

Her son looks so creepy…

His mom’s messing with that bird’s-nest-on-the-ground job he thought he had.

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Kragar  Sep 14, 2015 • 11:44:51am

re: #88 No Country For Old Haters

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nines09  Sep 14, 2015 • 11:44:57am

re: #89 jaunte

His mom’s messing with that bird’s-nest-on-the-ground job he thought he had.

That’s it! He’s watching his future vaporize right before his eyes.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 14, 2015 • 11:45:20am
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No Country For Old Haters  Sep 14, 2015 • 11:47:02am

re: #91 nines09

That’s it! He’s watching his future vaporize right before his eyes.

Good. County Clerk should not be an inherited position. We don’t go for royalty anymore.

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Kragar  Sep 14, 2015 • 11:47:07am

re: #80 Backwoods_Sleuth

Her son looks so creepy…

He has the kind of face that says “do not leave alone with house pets or children.”

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Higgs Boson's Mate  Sep 14, 2015 • 11:50:55am
So God created human beings in his own image.
- Genesis 1:27

I have yet to find a version where the words “except gays” are part of the verse.

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Iwouldprefernotto  Sep 14, 2015 • 11:51:55am

re: #95 Higgs Boson’s Mate

I have yet to find a version where the words “except gays” are part of the verse.

So God created human beings in his own image (except gays).
- Genesis 1:27 Kim Davis Translation

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HappyWarrior  Sep 14, 2015 • 11:52:12am

re: #95 Higgs Boson’s Mate

I have yet to find a version where the words “except gays” are part of the verse.

Well gays are demonically so clearly he meant. //

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Higgs Boson's Mate  Sep 14, 2015 • 11:52:12am

re: #91 nines09

That’s it! He’s watching his future vaporize right before his eyes.

Look what they’ve done to my sinecure, ma…

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Blind Frog Belly White  Sep 14, 2015 • 11:52:22am

re: #77 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse

What’s this from?

Monty Python’s The Meaning Of Life, the English Public School Scene.

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Iwouldprefernotto  Sep 14, 2015 • 11:53:07am

Yes Twitter is down. Life on the planet earth may be over. Or it could be a technical problem.

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Higgs Boson's Mate  Sep 14, 2015 • 11:54:44am

re: #96 Iwouldprefernotto

re: #97 HappyWarrior

Missed those completely because I was blinded by the Deceiver.
Whom can I sue?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 14, 2015 • 11:54:51am
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nines09  Sep 14, 2015 • 11:54:54am

re: #98 Higgs Boson’s Mate

Look what they’ve done to my sinecure, ma…

I just learned a new word. Thank you.

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Higgs Boson's Mate  Sep 14, 2015 • 11:56:48am

re: #103 nines09

I just learned a new word. Thank you.

You’re most welcome. Lit. major: I got a million of ‘em.

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Franklin  Sep 14, 2015 • 11:57:15am

re: #83 No Country For Old Haters

He was raised by a religious extremist, so that’s not surprising. He probably has some Josh Duggar and some Todd Starnes in him.

Perhaps literally.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 14, 2015 • 11:58:17am
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jaunte  Sep 14, 2015 • 11:58:21am

re: #98 Higgs Boson’s Mate

Look what they’ve done to my sinecure, ma…

80k a year for decades, Gone with the Wind…

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ObserverArt  Sep 14, 2015 • 11:59:26am

re: #95 Higgs Boson’s Mate

I have yet to find a version where the words “except gays” are part of the verse.

Yep. And if you take some time, I bet there are may such examples all over the Bible.

So…it’s settled. God made the world. There are people in the world that are gay. Don’t like it take it up with God.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 14, 2015 • 11:59:52am

Republican Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell argued recently that the nation’s economic recovery was being stunted by people who were “doing too good with food stamps, Social Security and all the rest.”

In an interview that was published on Monday, McConnell told Politico that the 2016 presidential race was a “critical election” to restoring “the growth rates and the greatness we’ve had most of our history.”

The Kentucky Republican reportedly “scoffed” at the idea the economy was improving.

McConnell said that business leaders complained to him that they had “a hard time finding people to do the work because they’re doing too good with food stamps, Social Security and all the rest.”

*blink*

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jaunte  Sep 14, 2015 • 11:59:54am
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HappyWarrior  Sep 14, 2015 • 12:00:31pm

re: #106 Backwoods_Sleuth

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WTF.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 14, 2015 • 12:00:46pm

re: #109 Backwoods_Sleuth

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*blink*

Kiss my ass, Mitch, seriously.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Sep 14, 2015 • 12:01:55pm

re: #106 Backwoods_Sleuth

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That man appears to be suffering terminal liver failure.

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Targetpractice  Sep 14, 2015 • 12:03:07pm

re: #109 Backwoods_Sleuth

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*blink*

Well Mitch, it’s pretty simple: If the social safety net is paying for a better life than the shitty wages that business owners are offering, then people are not going to take the jobs. But, being a Republican, you seem to think the answer is always to screw over the voters harder, rather than demanding business owners learn to part with a bit of their profits in order to pay better wages and benefits.

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Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Sep 14, 2015 • 12:03:31pm

re: #109 Backwoods_Sleuth

McConnell said that business leaders complained to him that they had “a hard time finding people to do the work because they’re doing too good with food stamps, Social Security and all the rest.”

Not that there’s anything wrong with food stamps, but Social Security is not food stamps, Mitch.

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Great White Snark  Sep 14, 2015 • 12:03:41pm

re: #100 Iwouldprefernotto

Yes Twitter is down. Life on the planet earth may be over be much improved. Or it could be a technical problem.

;-)

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Blind Frog Belly White  Sep 14, 2015 • 12:04:14pm

re: #109 Backwoods_Sleuth

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*blink*

If you pay so poorly that you can’t find people to take the jobs you’re offering, you FUCKING PAY MORE MONEY!!!, because any way you slice it TANF, SNAP, etc. make for a shitty, shitty life.

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Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Sep 14, 2015 • 12:04:41pm

re: #114 Targetpractice

Well Mitch, it’s pretty simple: If the social safety net is paying for a better life than the shitty wages that business owners are offering, then people are not going to take the jobs. But, being a Republican, you seem to think the answer is always to screw over the voters harder, rather than demanding business owners learn to part with a bit of their profits in order to pay better wages and benefits.

I guess Mitch can’t question these “business leaders” about anything they tell him.

/

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ObserverArt  Sep 14, 2015 • 12:04:52pm

Hey Mitch, how were the growth rates doing back in, say, 2008?

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nines09  Sep 14, 2015 • 12:05:01pm

re: #109 Backwoods_Sleuth

Translation; Can we just fuck America and it’s citizens a bit harder?

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Blind Frog Belly White  Sep 14, 2015 • 12:06:29pm

re: #115 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse

Not that there’s anything wrong with food stamps, but Social Security is not food stamps, Mitch.

Maybe the people he’s talking to long for the halcyon days before Social Security, like the late 19th Century, when my 70-something year old Great-Great Grandfather was still working, though he couldn’t get a job as a River Pilot anymore, and was reduced to just being a laborer.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 14, 2015 • 12:06:38pm

They really just have utter contempt for anyone who dares to get help from the government. All the while we pay for their salaries and pensions. Really this piece of shit can go fuck himself. Stop scapegoating poor people.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Sep 14, 2015 • 12:06:39pm
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aagcobb  Sep 14, 2015 • 12:07:23pm

re: #98 Higgs Boson’s Mate

Look what they’ve done to my sinecure, ma…

Yep, do you think that guy can find another job in Rowan County pulling down that kind of money?

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No Country For Old Haters  Sep 14, 2015 • 12:07:24pm

re: #117 Blind Frog Belly White

If you pay so poorly that you can’t find people to take the jobs you’re offering, you FUCKING PAY MORE MONEY!!!, because any way you slice it TANF, SNAP, etc. make for a shitty, shitty life.

They want to get rid of social benefits so people will slave away for a shitty life rather than starve to death. Republicans often try to push down wages by creating desperation. Fuck them.

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Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Sep 14, 2015 • 12:07:46pm

re: #109 Backwoods_Sleuth

McConnell said that business leaders complained to him that they had “a hard time finding people to do the work because they’re doing too good with food stamps, Social Security and all the rest.”

Yeah, a likely story. I’m sure these “business leaders” in Mitch’s head are all out pounding the pavement, running ads, offering great pay and benefits to get more workers.

/

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HappyWarrior  Sep 14, 2015 • 12:09:47pm

It’s such a damn lie too. I’ll out myself here. I have received SSI money due to my Asperger’s. Ever since I got my degree though, I’ve been looking for full time work. I finally got myself re-employed just a couple weeks ago and it’s just been a great relief. I appreciate public services but noting beats a steady paycheck and the same is true for everyone else. Mitch should just shut the hell up about something he obviously has no idea what’s he talking about.

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Higgs Boson's Mate  Sep 14, 2015 • 12:10:37pm

re: #109 Backwoods_Sleuth

“…they’re doing too good with food stamps, Social Security and all the rest.”

Tell that to all of those age 55 or older who would dearly love to keep working their field at almost any wage, but who can’t find a job because they’re “too experienced.”

You know McConnell’s statement is a complete fabrication, I know it, and so does the media who will, nonetheless, dutifully report it as fact. The Sunday shows will be chock-a-block with GOPers explaining that Social Security must be privatized because too many people stop working before they are dead.

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Lidane  Sep 14, 2015 • 12:11:25pm
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Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Sep 14, 2015 • 12:12:07pm

re: #109 Backwoods_Sleuth

*blink*

“I mean, we try offering these lazies less than minimum wage, but they won’t take it…..”

/

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aagcobb  Sep 14, 2015 • 12:12:20pm

re: #127 HappyWarrior

It’s such a damn lie too. I’ll out myself here. I have received SSI money due to my Asperger’s. Ever since I got my degree though, I’ve been looking for full time work. I finally got myself re-employed just a couple weeks ago and it’s just been a great relief. I appreciate public services but noting beats a steady paycheck and the same is true for everyone else. Mitch should just shut the hell up about something he obviously has no idea what’s he talking about.

Congratulations! I am so glad for you! I knew people who were out of work a long time during the Recession, and it just really blows.

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CleverToad  Sep 14, 2015 • 12:12:42pm

re: #109 Backwoods_Sleuth

Hmm, could be that there are people who look at the minimum-wage job that the employer is advertising, take into consideration the fact that at 40 hours a week it would put them over the income level for food assistance and insurance subsidies, and then take into account the fact that the employer is not going to guarantee that they get 40 hours a week, or even 32 or even 20 every week AND that the job is set up as ‘on-call’ scheduling so they can’t take a second job because they don’t know when this one will call. And y’know, these people who have to put food on the table for themselves and their families every week may decide that what this employer is offering is a crappy deal.

Not that the complaining employer is going to phrase it that way, of course. And not that Mr. McConnell is going to cite his sources so someone could investigate specific cases. (And not that we have enough journalists who investigate anymore.)

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Iwouldprefernotto  Sep 14, 2015 • 12:13:29pm

re: #129 Lidane

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Miss Alabama seems to be making the argument that people should not speak their minds, she is not arguing against what Trumps says.

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nines09  Sep 14, 2015 • 12:14:05pm

re: #128 Higgs Boson’s Mate

Tell that to all of those age 55 or older who would dearly love to keep working their field at almost any wage, but who can’t find a job because they’re “too experienced.”

You know McConnell’s statement is a complete fabrication, I know it, and so does the media who will, nonetheless, dutifully report it as fact. The Sunday shows will be chock-a-block with GOPers explaining that Social Security must be privatized because too many people stop working before they are dead.

The worst feeling in the world is when you finally get an interview with a real live human, you walk in and watch the “oh shit, another old man” thought go right across their face. Fuck Mitch and the GOP Cult of Nothing.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 14, 2015 • 12:14:19pm

re: #131 aagcobb

Congratulations! I am so glad for you! I knew people who were out of work a long time during the Recession, and it just really blows.

It really was frustrating as hell. Now this is just a temp position but man it’s just great to be working again. The idea that people would prefer just got public assistance is one of the worst right wing lies of all. And thanks.

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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Sep 14, 2015 • 12:15:09pm

“Not bad, you agree?” calls Trump over his shoulder, leading me down the corridor to the cockpit. “I bought this from Paul Allen and gutted it top to bottom. It’s bigger than Air Force One, which is a step down from this in every way. Rolls-Royce engines; seats 43. Didja know it was featured on the Discovery Channel as the world’s most luxurious jetliner?” (Fact-check: It isn’t bigger than Air Force One, and it was featured on the Smithsonian Channel. But in this, as in much of what Trump says, it’s more about the broad strokes than the details.)

donald trump was not a poor kid with no education who grew up with nothing

why does he act so much like one?

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jaunte  Sep 14, 2015 • 12:17:40pm

re: #132 CleverToad

The wife of one of my co-workers just started an elementary school teaching job for the Houston Independent School District. She works about 10 hours a day on weekdays, grades and trains on Saturday, takes meetings on Sunday. She makes about $100 more per month than unemployment.

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Romantic Heretic  Sep 14, 2015 • 12:19:04pm

re: #10 Backwoods_Sleuth

I didn’t know they’d cloned Rick Frothy Lube.

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Higgs Boson's Mate  Sep 14, 2015 • 12:19:24pm

re: #134 nines09

The worst feeling in the world is when you finally get an interview with a real live human, you walk in and watch the “oh shit, another old man” thought go right across their face. Fuck Mitch and the GOP Cult of Nothing.

Too true. I used to get a similar face when I answered, as a freshly discharged Vietnam vet, where I was last stationed. I had any number of them, American flag lapel pins glinting, tell me that they wouldn’t hire me because they were afraid I’d “go off.”

It’s always something.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Sep 14, 2015 • 12:20:22pm

re: #136 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸

“Not bad, you agree?” calls Trump over his shoulder, leading me down the corridor to the cockpit. “I bought this from Paul Allen and gutted it top to bottom. It’s bigger than Air Force One, which is a step down from this in every way. Rolls-Royce engines; seats 43. Didja know it was featured on the Discovery Channel as the world’s most luxurious jetliner?” (Fact-check: It isn’t bigger than Air Force One, and it was featured on the Smithsonian Channel. But in this, as in much of what Trump says, it’s more about the broad strokes than the details.)

donald trump was not a poor kid with no education who grew up with nothing

why does he act so much like one?

I never saw anyone who grew up rich act quite so Nouveau Riche.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Sep 14, 2015 • 12:23:43pm

re: #132 CleverToad

But, you know, it’s important to allow employers flexibility these days, so we can call people making under $30,000 a year ‘managers’ and make them work >40 hours with no OT pay.

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jaunte  Sep 14, 2015 • 12:24:08pm

re: #136 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸

donald trump was not a poor kid with no education who grew up with nothing

why does he act so much like one?

I think he must have gotten the message from his father early on that he was a worthless loser, and it warped him for life.

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jaunte  Sep 14, 2015 • 12:24:57pm

But it isn’t the nation’s job to try to make him feel better about himself.

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Romantic Heretic  Sep 14, 2015 • 12:26:03pm

re: #55 Belafon

In her eyes, like all the others like her, think that gays choose to be that way, and are therefore choosing to live in sin. They could just choose to be straight.

That’s also what they believe about poor people. They could choose to be rich. The Faith promises them that hard work will make them wealthy.

So the poor chose to be poor. They chose to sin.

It’s a really fucked up and ignorant way of thinking but very popular and not just in America.

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Lidane  Sep 14, 2015 • 12:27:27pm
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HappyWarrior  Sep 14, 2015 • 12:28:53pm

re: #145 Lidane

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And here I thought he would be a contender for at the very least VP. Enjoy obscurity, union busting shitbag.

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Great White Snark  Sep 14, 2015 • 12:29:36pm

re: #22 Charles Johnson

Here we go.

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I was asking around, and that script is pretty closely held. Trying to get a copy of the actual shoot set script. That’s the one that matters.

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Kragar  Sep 14, 2015 • 12:30:00pm

re: #132 CleverToad

Hmm, could be that there are people who look at the minimum-wage job that the employer is advertising, take into consideration the fact that at 40 hours a week it would put them over the income level for food assistance and insurance subsidies, and then take into account the fact that the employer is not going to guarantee that they get 40 hours a week, or even 32 or even 20 every week AND that the job is set up as ‘on-call’ scheduling so they can’t take a second job because they don’t know when this one will call. And y’know, these people who have to put food on the table for themselves and their families every week may decide that what this employer is offering is a crappy deal.

So you agree they’re lazy?
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aagcobb  Sep 14, 2015 • 12:30:22pm

re: #137 jaunte

The wife of one of my co-workers just started an elementary school teaching job for the Houston Independent School District. She works about 10 hours a day on weekdays, grades and trains on Saturday, takes meetings on Sunday. She makes about $100 more per month than unemployment.

PROOF WE NEED TO CUT WELFARE!

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nines09  Sep 14, 2015 • 12:31:01pm

re: #139 Higgs Boson’s Mate

“Well with all your experience……..” When you fill out forms you are basically giving your age. They cannot ask your age, but it’s right there in front of them in your experiences. And age discrimination is real. Can’t prove it of course. More qualified (!!) or a better fit or just not at this time handles that easily enough. Or no answer. Filed in the circular file.

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It's on his hat!  Sep 14, 2015 • 12:31:06pm

re: #145 Lidane

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Would that he disappeared completely.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Sep 14, 2015 • 12:31:32pm

re: #144 Romantic Heretic

That’s also what they believe about poor people. They could choose to be rich. The Faith promises them that hard work will make them wealthy.

So the poor chose to be poor. They chose to sin.

It’s a really fucked up and ignorant way of thinking but very popular and not just in America.

I cannot comprehend how someone could look a the world as it exists, and be comforted by the idea that there’s an omnipotent, omnibenevolent being who wants it this way. The idea that there’s a God who is intimately involved in day-to-day life, and that it works like this would be the most frightening aspect of belief - “Your baby has cancer, but it’s all part of God’s Plan!”

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HappyWarrior  Sep 14, 2015 • 12:31:59pm

I had the gripe the other day that my problem is less with CEO pay raising to high numbers but rather with that continuing to raise and workers wages remaining stagnant. Point that out to a conservative and they call you a commie.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 14, 2015 • 12:33:17pm

re: #152 Blind Frog Belly White

I cannot comprehend how someone could look a the world as it exists, and be comforted by the idea that there’s an omnipotent, omnibenevolent being who wants it this way. The idea that there’s a God who is intimately involved in day-to-day life, and that it works like this would be the most frightening aspect of belief - “Your baby has cancer, but it’s all part of God’s Plan!”

I think that’s why I can’t accept the idea of God, or at least as they see it. I think at the very most I could be a deist and accept that there is a God but everything is our free will from there. As it currently stands, I identify as agnostic.

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Kragar  Sep 14, 2015 • 12:35:42pm

re: #152 Blind Frog Belly White

I used to think it was awful that life was so unfair. Then I thought, ‘wouldn’t it be much worse if life *were* fair, and all the terrible things that happen to us come because we actually deserve them?’ So now I take great comfort in the general hostility and unfairness of the universe.

- Marcus, Babylon 5

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Great White Snark  Sep 14, 2015 • 12:36:19pm

This poor guy, must be in pain… But getting a call from Gov Brown ain’t bad to help cheer ya up. Thank you for your service sir!

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Romantic Heretic  Sep 14, 2015 • 12:37:06pm

re: #72 ObserverArt

I got seriously ill looking at that. “Redistributive Economics!” “Hangs With Commies!” “Pitbull MILF!”

Gag!

Glad I came here after most of the haters left and Charles had left the dark side. I’m afraid it lost me some of the respect I held some of the lizards who stayed.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Sep 14, 2015 • 12:37:17pm

re: #156 Great White Snark

This poor guy, must be in pain… But getting a call from Gov Brown ain’t bad to help cheer ya up. Thank you for your service sir!

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Holy crap, man! Thank you!

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Skip Intro  Sep 14, 2015 • 12:37:23pm

re: #154 HappyWarrior

Why is it that God always speaks the loudest to crazy people and bigots?

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Sep 14, 2015 • 12:37:23pm

re: #156 Great White Snark

They deployed shelters, which is really an oh shit moment.

I’m so glad they were just injured.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 14, 2015 • 12:38:29pm

re: #159 Skip Intro

Why is it that God always speaks the loudest to crazy people and bigots?

That speaks at another problem that I have religion as a whole. So much used to justify hate and intolerance.

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Frenchy  Sep 14, 2015 • 12:39:11pm

That picture of Kim Davis genuinely makes me want to vomit.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Sep 14, 2015 • 12:40:08pm

re: #155 Kragar

- Marcus, Babylon 5

I often wonder what happens to believers in the Prosperity Gospel when they get hit with job losses or what have you. I’ve known Conservatives who had been scathing in talking about those lazy people sucking up their Unemployment benefits for months who then went through a long bout of unemployment themselves, and were humbled. But the ones who DIDN’T lose jobs were still just as scathing.

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Lidane  Sep 14, 2015 • 12:41:40pm

Klukowski told Metaxas that while he is sympathetic to Davis’ plight as a fellow gay marriage opponent, he said that Davis’ refusal to let deputy clerks issue marriage licenses to legally eligible couples was indefensible and incompatible with religious freedom.

He said that by trying to “exercise my governmental authority to order the other public servants here, that they are not going to do this either, that’s where I believe she is on, respectfully, she’s on very shaky legal ground. That would be the difference between a conscientious objector in the military who says, ‘I want to serve my country so I am going to volunteer for the military but because of my faith I don’t believe in bearing weapons.’ He can still serve, he’ll just be assigned to a noncombat role, he’ll never have to pick up a weapon. The equivalent here would be someone saying, ‘I will take command of this infantry unit, I am going to take command of this rifle company, but not only am I not going to fight I am also going to order all the troops under my command that because of my religious objection they are not going to fight either.’”

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Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Sep 14, 2015 • 12:42:04pm

re: #145 Lidane

Walker nearly disappears in latest Washington Post/ABC News poll

Time for Walker Reboot 3.2! Moar Severely Conservative this time!

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Blind Frog Belly White  Sep 14, 2015 • 12:43:10pm

re: #165 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse

Time for Walker Reboot 3.2! Moar Severely Conservative this time!

The Buck Henry ‘Talk Back’ sketch on SNL, back in the day.

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Higgs Boson's Mate  Sep 14, 2015 • 12:43:50pm

re: #152 Blind Frog Belly White

The philosophy I embraced stipulates up front that very bad things, and very good things, happen constantly for no other reason than that they do. It’s up to me to practice the tools of the philosophy so that I handle this the best way I can.

I fall short every day.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 14, 2015 • 12:44:01pm

re: #157 Romantic Heretic

I got seriously ill looking at that. “Redistributive Economics!” “Hangs With Commies!” “Pitbull MILF!”

Gag!

Glad I came here after most of the haters left and Charles had left the dark side. I’m afraid it lost me some of the respect I held some of the lizards who stayed.

LOL, I’m only as far through the comments seeing KT got 12 downdings.

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No Country For Old Haters  Sep 14, 2015 • 12:44:16pm

re: #152 Blind Frog Belly White

I cannot comprehend how someone could look a the world as it exists, and be comforted by the idea that there’s an omnipotent, omnibenevolent being who wants it this way. The idea that there’s a God who is intimately involved in day-to-day life, and that it works like this would be the most frightening aspect of belief - “Your baby has cancer, but it’s all part of God’s Plan!”

This horrified me when my age was in the single-digits, before I realized that gods are imaginary. If something was in charge of this world, that something would have to be a monster.

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Targetpractice  Sep 14, 2015 • 12:44:39pm

re: #145 Lidane

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Rinsed Prius has gotta be hating his life right now.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 14, 2015 • 12:44:46pm

re: #165 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse

Time for Walker Reboot 3.2! Moar Severely Conservative this time!

Is that from the makers of the RomneyBot or is that a rival brand?

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It's on his hat!  Sep 14, 2015 • 12:45:33pm

re: #157 Romantic Heretic

I got seriously ill looking at that. “Redistributive Economics!” “Hangs With Commies!” “Pitbull MILF!”

Gag!

Glad I came here after most of the haters left and Charles had left the dark side. I’m afraid it lost me some of the respect I held some of the lizards who stayed.

This thread is equally entertaining/nauseating. Perhaps more so, because the bile gets turned up to 11 after reality set in that Obama would be president.

I wasn’t on LGF at the time, but as someone who had a serious political change of heart, like Charles, and at around the same time he did, I can’t help but fear what my comments would have looked like on these old threads. Don’t judge us too harshly. ;-)

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Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Sep 14, 2015 • 12:46:08pm

re: #145 Lidane

Trump attracts support from 33 percent of Republican-leaning voters in a Washington Post/ABC News national poll released Monday morning, while Carson has 20 percent.
Former Florida Gov. Jeb Bush, their closest rival, has 8 percent, followed by Sens. Ted Cruz (Texas) and Marco Rubio (Fla.) at 7 percent apiece.

Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker is at 2 percent in the new poll, down 13 points from July for the sharpest decline among Republicans.

All that union-busting and he might only get a place at the kiddy table.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Sep 14, 2015 • 12:48:10pm

re: #167 Higgs Boson’s Mate

The philosophy I embraced stipulates up front that very bad things, and very good things, happen constantly for no other reason than that they do. It’s up to me to practice the tools of the philosophy so that I handle this the best way I can.

I fall short every day.

My philosophy boils down to trying to leave the world not much worse off when I’m done, to try to be as honest and good to people as I can, and to enjoy however much time I have.

Here’s how I see it:

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HappyWarrior  Sep 14, 2015 • 12:48:46pm

re: #172 It’s on his hat!

This thread is equally entertaining/nauseating. Perhaps more so, because the bile gets turned up to 11 after reality set in that Obama would be president.

I wasn’t on LGF at the time, but as someone who had a serious political change of heart, like Charles, and at around the same time he did, I can’t help but fear what my comments would have looked like on these old threads. Don’t judge us too harshly. ;-)

I have a lot of respect for people like you and Charles since you guys were able to overcome your bias. It’s why I frankly can’t accept people who still operate under the delusion that the GOP is a reasonable party with a reasonable leadership.

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Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Sep 14, 2015 • 12:48:53pm

re: #173 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse

All that union-busting and he might only get a place at the kiddy table.

Of course that poll also shows this:

A majority of Americans surveyed, 55 percent, including a third of Democrats, said they disapproved of the way Clinton has handled questions about her use of private email while serving as secretary of State.

Congrats, tea party, for mucking up the waters again. /

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Eclectic Cyborg  Sep 14, 2015 • 12:49:02pm

re: #145 Lidane

My approximate reaction to this news:
Blur - Song 2 (HD Official Video)

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Higgs Boson's Mate  Sep 14, 2015 • 12:50:51pm

re: #173 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse

Have they yet announced when they’re going to actually start cutting people from these charades? If I was a cynical old mofo I’d bet the knives come out as soon as the right people remain standing afterward.

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Nyet  Sep 14, 2015 • 12:51:17pm

re: #72 ObserverArt

And 2008 is when LGF was already on a slow mellowing-out track. Think about the times when people like Geller, Fjordman et al. were posting here.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Sep 14, 2015 • 12:51:49pm

re: #176 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse

Well, THAT’S fucking annoying. Below is the text of all the emails Colin Powell, Condoleeza Rice, George W Bush, Dick Cheney, and Paul Wolfowitz turned over to Congress after two catastrophic intelligence failures killed thousands of Americans, and hundreds of thousands of Iraqis, and cost us >$ 1Trillion:
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Yep. All of that.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 14, 2015 • 12:53:13pm

re: #180 Blind Frog Belly White

Well, THAT’S fucking annoying. Below is the text of all the emails Colin Powell, Condoleeza Rice, George W Bush, Dick Cheney, and Paul Wolfowitz turned over to Congress after two catastrophic intelligence failures killed thousands of Americans, and hundreds of thousands of Iraqis, and cost us >$ 1Trillion:

Yep. All of that.

I was actually having a discussion about Hillary with my Dad and youngest brother the other day. We all agreed that a lot of the flack Hillary gets is to gender double standards. We all agreed about the perception of her being a bitch is because a lot of guys are genuinely threatened by strong women leaders.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Sep 14, 2015 • 12:53:42pm

re: #180 Blind Frog Belly White

But Hillary Clinton and her emails are a fucking national scandal don’t you know.

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Kragar  Sep 14, 2015 • 12:54:16pm

re: #182 Eclectic Cyborg

But Hillary Clinton and her emails are a fucking national scandal don’t you know.

So I keep hearing… and hearing… and hearing…

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Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Sep 14, 2015 • 12:54:19pm

re: #172 It’s on his hat!

I wasn’t on LGF at the time, but as someone who had a serious political change of heart, like Charles, and at around the same time he did, I can’t help but fear what my comments would have looked like on these old threads. Don’t judge us too harshly. ;-)

No sweat. I’d probably get queasy revisiting some of my early ventures in blogland.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 14, 2015 • 12:54:35pm

Frankly I am more bothered by the fact that there are openly theocratic candidates running for the GOP nomination than an email fuck up. But that’s just me.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Sep 14, 2015 • 12:54:57pm

re: #181 HappyWarrior

Can’t speak for everyone but across most jobs I’ve held, my favourite managers have been female.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 14, 2015 • 12:55:52pm

Well like some of you, I was pretty radical in my early days posting online but on the other side. I was a moonbat type. Posted at DU and everything. Supported Kucinich for president. I moved to the center for the second part of Bush’s second term and the Obama presidency has sort of pushed me back to the left some more again though I am more center-left now than I am left-left.

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Romantic Heretic  Sep 14, 2015 • 12:55:54pm

re: #159 Skip Intro

Why is it that God always speaks the loudest to crazy people and bigots?

God doesn’t. The Other Guy does.

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Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Sep 14, 2015 • 12:56:18pm

re: #178 Higgs Boson’s Mate

Have they yet announced when they’re going to actually start cutting people from these charades? If I was a cynical old mofo I’d bet the knives come out as soon as the right people remain standing afterward.

Yeah I can’t imagine the party elders and money people think a debate headlined by Trump, Carson and Fiorina is what they had in mind.

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Kragar  Sep 14, 2015 • 12:56:29pm

re: #184 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse

No sweat. I’d probably get queasy revisiting some of my early ventures in blogland.

Don’t be. God only created the universe 20 minutes ago and evidence to the contrary was put their by the Devil to trick you. You never did any of that.
/

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jaunte  Sep 14, 2015 • 12:56:38pm

re: #188 Romantic Heretic

God doesn’t. The Other Guy does.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Sep 14, 2015 • 12:56:46pm

re: #183 Kragar

So I keep hearing… and hearing… and hearing…

Right. And she should be in jail for it, though none of the people who say that are ever able to identify any law, rule, or regulation violated.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 14, 2015 • 12:56:48pm

re: #186 Eclectic Cyborg

Can’t speak for everyone but across most jobs I’ve held, my favourite managers have been female.

Well I did say a lot of guys. A lot of my favorite teachers have been women though. I think two of my three letters of recommendation when I transferred to a four year school came from women professors.

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It's on his hat!  Sep 14, 2015 • 12:57:48pm

re: #175 HappyWarrior

I have a lot of respect for people like you and Charles since you guys were able to overcome your bias. It’s why I frankly can’t accept people who still operate under the delusion that the GOP is a reasonable party with a reasonable leadership.

I like to think that I didn’t actually change much, and that the Right just got more and more extreme.

That was certainly the case on social issues. I’ve always been pro-choice, pro-gay rights, etc., and the Religious Right and anti-science whackos always gave me pause. As such, I never self-identified as a “conservative” or a “Republican,” but as an “Independent” or a “small-l libertarian.”

Perhaps I’ve taken a few steps to the left on economic issues as the GOP has taken huge strides to the right.

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aagcobb  Sep 14, 2015 • 12:57:59pm

re: #175 HappyWarrior

I have a lot of respect for people like you and Charles since you guys were able to overcome your bias. It’s why I frankly can’t accept people who still operate under the delusion that the GOP is a reasonable party with a reasonable leadership.

Looking at comment 53 on the other thread, I saw that one of my favorite commentators here was very rightwing then!

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nines09  Sep 14, 2015 • 12:58:02pm

re: #172 It’s on his hat!

This thread is equally entertaining/nauseating. Perhaps more so, because the bile gets turned up to 11 after reality set in that Obama would be president.

I wasn’t on LGF at the time, but as someone who had a serious political change of heart, like Charles, and at around the same time he did, I can’t help but fear what my comments would have looked like on these old threads. Don’t judge us too harshly. ;-)

It’s the Great Meltdown of 2008. Flounce Inc. I was here but for the most part lurked. I went looking for reasons after 9-11 and was stunned into silence most places. LGF had a middle ground and to Charles’ credit, a soul. I had my beliefs and reasoning put to the test here. I voted for Bush twice and I will forever regret that. Read Newsmax. Looked at Drudge. Saw the ugly of LGF past with the stalkers and Geller et al. I was never really a straight party voter, I would vote for whom i perceived to be the best person for the job at hand. After 2008 all bets were off and I saw the light. The Dems are not perfect, but they are not insane either. This site really does cut through the bullshit and the members are not nuts.

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Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Sep 14, 2015 • 12:58:28pm

re: #180 Blind Frog Belly White

Well, THAT’S fucking annoying. Below is the text of all the emails Colin Powell, Condoleeza Rice, George W Bush, Dick Cheney, and Paul Wolfowitz turned over to Congress after two catastrophic intelligence failures killed thousands of Americans, and hundreds of thousands of Iraqis, and cost us >$ 1Trillion:
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Yep. All of that.

Ssssh, I’m still reading.

///

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No Country For Old Haters  Sep 14, 2015 • 12:58:41pm

re: #186 Eclectic Cyborg

Can’t speak for everyone but across most jobs I’ve held, my favourite managers have been female.

Mine too, but so was my insane manager, who fortunately got pushed out of her position here.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Sep 14, 2015 • 12:58:59pm
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BlueSpotinAL  Sep 14, 2015 • 12:59:26pm

re: #172 It’s on his hat!

This thread is equally entertaining/nauseating. Perhaps more so, because the bile gets turned up to 11 after reality set in that Obama would be president.

I wasn’t on LGF at the time, but as someone who had a serious political change of heart, like Charles, and at around the same time he did, I can’t help but fear what my comments would have looked like on these old threads. Don’t judge us too harshly. ;-)

I LOL’d at the -55 rating for congratulating Obama on getting elected.

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Targetpractice  Sep 14, 2015 • 12:59:51pm

re: #189 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse

Yeah I can’t imagine the party elders and money people think a debate headlined by Trump, Carson and Fiorina is what they had in mind.

Fiorina is starting to look like the Danica Patrick of the GOP field, i.e. kept around because they have to at least maintain the illusion that they’re not a male-only club, when in reality she’s polling somewhere south of bubonic plague.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 14, 2015 • 1:00:39pm

re: #194 It’s on his hat!

I like to think that I didn’t actually change much, and that the Right just got more and more extreme.

That was certainly the case on social issues. I’ve always been pro-choice, pro-gay rights, etc., and the Religious Right and anti-science whackos always gave me pause. As such, I never self-identified as a “conservative” or a “Republican,” but as an “Independent” or a “small-l libertarian.”

Perhaps I’ve taken a few steps to the left on economic issues as the GOP has taken huge strides to the right.

Right. I guess what I am saying is it does take a certain amount of thoughtfulness to realize that the party you had been supporting was wrong. I do agree with you though that the GOP has taken huge strides to the right on economics though. I can remember a time when the GOP candidates would get teacher union endorsements which is why I always thought DF’s(not trying to call him out but pointing out that he’s not giving the whole picture) rationale for Walker/Christie declaring war on teachers was on count on those unions being not GOP friendly) was crap and besides scapegoating teachers sucks anyhow.

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No Country For Old Haters  Sep 14, 2015 • 1:00:41pm

re: #195 aagcobb

Looking at comment 53 on the other thread, I saw that one of my favorite commentators here was very rightwing then!

That thread reminds me that one of the worst things about LGF was the way that people would suck up to the awful Mandy Manners. She was terrible and very popular.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 14, 2015 • 1:03:42pm

re: #195 aagcobb

Looking at comment 53 on the other thread, I saw that one of my favorite commentators here was very rightwing then!

I never would have guessed that LH would have been right wing. Again you guys who saw the light to speak have my respect. What you guys did was a lot more harder than someone like me who frankly was liberal firstly because it was my family’s ideology. Now right now I’d say I’m a liberal by conviction but in my early years, I think I was more a liberal because it was what I heard at home. Not as bad as some kids mind you but I was guilty of confirmation bias more.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Sep 14, 2015 • 1:03:48pm

re: #181 HappyWarrior

I was actually having a discussion about Hillary with my Dad and youngest brother the other day. We all agreed that a lot of the flack Hillary gets is to gender double standards. We all agreed about the perception of her being a bitch is because a lot of guys are genuinely threatened by strong women leaders.

It’s not just gender, it’s also last name. I was watching ‘Hard Ball’ the other day, and there was a discussion of Clinton and the email thing. Kathleen Parker agreed when Matthews said that nobody’s found anything, but said you have to keep looking. I was floored. Her reasoning seemed to be that because it’s Hillary Clinton, you have to keep digging until you either find something or can’t dig anymore. Not that you should have some reason to start digging in the first place, some actual crime you have reason to believe was committed. No, just keep looking - “you have to peel back the layers of the onion” till you find something.

Whatever happened to ‘probably cause’ as a reason to investigate? Whatever happened to ‘innocent until proven guilty’?

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Nyet  Sep 14, 2015 • 1:03:54pm

re: #203 No Country For Old Haters

That thread reminds me that one of the worst things about LGF was the way that people would suck up to the awful Mandy Manners. She was terrible and very popular.

And her end was very funny.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 14, 2015 • 1:04:48pm

re: #203 No Country For Old Haters

That thread reminds me that one of the worst things about LGF was the way that people would suck up to the awful Mandy Manners. She was terrible and very popular.

She was banned I think shortly after I joined. I never got to know her too well. I do remember when Charles banned her. It was over her getting nasty with him and accusing him of being anti-Southern which frankly was a load of crap. I consider myself a Southerner but our region’s racial past is definitely grounds for discussion and legitimate criticism. I think that’s what it was over anyhow, if I am wrong, I apologize since when I first joined LGF, I was still an undergrad.

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Jay C  Sep 14, 2015 • 1:05:13pm

re: #129 Lidane

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Well, except for that (extraordinarily debatable) bit about those “incredible candidates*”
she’s basically right….

*in the sense of “hard to believe”, yes; in the sense of “wonderful”…? not so much.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 14, 2015 • 1:05:23pm

re: #205 Blind Frog Belly White

It’s not just gender, it’s also last name. I was watching ‘Hard Ball’ the other day, and there was a discussion of Clinton and the email thing. Kathleen Parker agreed when Matthews said that nobody’s found anything, but said you have to keep looking. I was floored. Her reasoning seemed to be that because it’s Hillary Clinton, you have to keep digging until you either find something or can’t dig anymore. Not that you should have some reason to start digging in the first place, some actual crime you have reason to believe was committed. No, just keep looking - “you have to peel back the layers of the onion” till you find something.

Whatever happened to ‘probably cause’ as a reason to investigate? Whatever happened to ‘innocent until proven guilty’?

Yeah her surname for sure. As for the bolded, all bets are off if you’re not liked.

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Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Sep 14, 2015 • 1:05:40pm

re: #187 HappyWarrior

Well like some of you, I was pretty radical in my early days posting online but on the other side. I was a moonbat type. Posted at DU and everything. Supported Kucinich for president. I moved to the center for the second part of Bush’s second term and the Obama presidency has sort of pushed me back to the left some more again though I am more center-left now than I am left-left.

Yeah that was me, too. I’d hate to say that I’m less idealistic now, but I’m probably more accepting of the political realities. And I can look back and see some situations where my partisan blinders were in effect. I often wasn’t capable of determining which issues were really important out of all the noise.

I’ve also come to accept that there are people who know more than me about a great deal of stuff—amazing, I know. And I’m OK with that.

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Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Sep 14, 2015 • 1:06:03pm

re: #199 klys (maker of Silmarils)

LATEST: First confirmed fatality of #ValleyFire appears to be elderly, disabled woman who was “unable to self-evacuate,” fire officials say.

Wow, that’s sad.

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Romantic Heretic  Sep 14, 2015 • 1:06:37pm

re: #172 It’s on his hat!

This thread is equally entertaining/nauseating. Perhaps more so, because the bile gets turned up to 11 after reality set in that Obama would be president.

I wasn’t on LGF at the time, but as someone who had a serious political change of heart, like Charles, and at around the same time he did, I can’t help but fear what my comments would have looked like on these old threads. Don’t judge us too harshly. ;-)

I don’t mind the disappointment. It’s been twenty five years since the party I vote for won even an Ontario provincial election.

It’s the “It’s over for America!” batshit craziness that makes me ill. How did the Manichaean mindset so infect American politics?

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Nyet  Sep 14, 2015 • 1:06:54pm

re: #204 HappyWarrior

Last time I asked him, lawhawk still identified as a neo-liberal. He can update us if that has changed in the meantime. :)

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Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Sep 14, 2015 • 1:07:10pm

re: #209 HappyWarrior

Yeah her surname for sure. As for the bolded, all bets are off if you’re not liked.

“We have to keep digging till we find something to prove that Hillary is a wicked snake in the grass.”

/

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HappyWarrior  Sep 14, 2015 • 1:07:13pm

re: #210 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse

Yeah that was me, too. I’d hate to say that I’m less idealistic now, but I’m probably more accepting of the political realities. And I can look back and see some situations where my partisan blinders were in effect. I often wasn’t capable of determining which issues were really important out of all the noise.

I’ve also come to accept that there are people who know more than me about a great deal of stuff—amazing, I know. And I’m OK with that.

Right, 2002-early 2004 me would have gotten disillusioned with Obama very easily. But through maturity and I think really furthering my convictions though I too am less idealistic now, I understand more what he’s up against. Some people I knew in those days never learned that lesson unfortunately.

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jaunte  Sep 14, 2015 • 1:07:16pm

re: #204 HappyWarrior

I greatly appreciate Charles and LGF for helping to articulate the problems with conservative US politics and provide me with a continuing education in same.

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Higgs Boson's Mate  Sep 14, 2015 • 1:07:23pm

re: #210 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse

I’ve also come to accept that there are people who know more than me about a great deal of stuff—amazing, I know. And I’m OK with that.

So it’s okay to talk about that fling with the pantomime horse?

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jaunte  Sep 14, 2015 • 1:08:49pm

I’ve been lurking here since shortly after 9/11/2001, but it was just way too weird to comment for a long time.

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Romantic Heretic  Sep 14, 2015 • 1:09:07pm

re: #174 Blind Frog Belly White

My philosophy boils down to trying to leave the world not much worse off when I’m done, to try to be as honest and good to people as I can, and to enjoy however much time I have.

Here’s how I see it:

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The best political cartoonist America ever produced.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 14, 2015 • 1:09:14pm

re: #213 Nyet

Last time I asked him, lawhawk still identified as a neo-liberal. He can update us if that has changed in the meantime. :)

Oh I didn’t know his stated ideology. I probably if I give myself a label, it would be American liberal. I’m to Obama’s left but I’m to that new British Labour leader’s right. Not sure about Sanders.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Sep 14, 2015 • 1:09:27pm

re: #211 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse

Wow, that’s sad.

I had seen rumors along those lines on Twitter this morning, but this was the first confirmation I had seen. :(

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jaunte  Sep 14, 2015 • 1:10:01pm

A search through Sabo’s tweets and Facebook posts shows repeated references to the assassination of Obama. From last month:

IMAGINE IF EVERY SECRET SERVICE AGENT JUST UP AND LEFT THEIR JOBS TOMORROW, THAT WOULD BE BRAVE. TAKING A BULLET FOR A TURD IS JUST STUPID.

Last year, the Secret Service questioned Sabo about some of those comments, according to the Hollywood Reporter.

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Romantic Heretic  Sep 14, 2015 • 1:11:01pm

re: #186 Eclectic Cyborg

Can’t speak for everyone but across most jobs I’ve held, my favourite managers have been female.

Same here. Women are far more inclined to listen and more inclined to forgive.

Men, not so much.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 14, 2015 • 1:11:24pm

re: #222 jaunte

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There’s something funny about selling gear of a religious fanatic photoshopped wearing tattoos. Unless Ted has a tattoo of Jesse Helms on his ass that we don’t know about.

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Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Sep 14, 2015 • 1:12:10pm

re: #222 jaunte

In embrace of street artist, @tedcruz increasingly courts controversy

And this controversial artist hasn’t been invited to next week’s Values Voters Summit where American values will be discussed fairly and rationally?

/

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No Country For Old Haters  Sep 14, 2015 • 1:12:25pm

re: #223 Romantic Heretic

Same here. Women are far more inclined to listen and more inclined to forgive.

Men, not so much.

So not true of my insane former manager. She just could not listen to people, was always angry, and thought she was much smarter than everyone around her. It was horrible.

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Jack Burton  Sep 14, 2015 • 1:12:38pm

re: #184 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse

No sweat. I’d probably get queasy revisiting some of my early ventures in blogland.

Yes I’m sure there are many ‘Are you shitting me?’ posts back there for several of us.

By the time I registered here I was already aware of Gellar, Fjordman, and Specer as bad news bigots who got away with what we thought was “legitimate criticism of militant Islam” for a very long time until they couldn’t hold their inner haters in any longer and it all became obvious that they just plain hated Muslims almost overnight. I’m not a religious person at all, so it was easy for me to cheer lead any criticism of it, but I wasn’t going there. That said I’ve obviously never been a fan of evangelicals, their abortion nonsense, or intelligent design.

It took me awhile to realize that my AGW stance was based on a dislike of the solutions proposed and not on anything resembling facts of the issue. I pretty much turned on that issue over night in 2009-ish. I feel there are still way too many feel-good/do-nothing “solutions” as well as far too many “completely disrupt our way of life even though the technology exists to fight AGW and not do that” ideological solutions coming out of the far left.

Splitting up with the wingnut catholic (yes they exist) ex-gf did wonders for my perspective on things and put me on a much better track. There are a couple of issues in which I find myself completely at odds with the majority of LGF, and I excuse myself from those threads.

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It's on his hat!  Sep 14, 2015 • 1:13:16pm

re: #204 HappyWarrior

I never would have guessed that LH would have been right wing. Again you guys who saw the light to speak have my respect. What you guys did was a lot more harder than someone like me who frankly was liberal firstly because it was my family’s ideology. Now right now I’d say I’m a liberal by conviction but in my early years, I think I was more a liberal because it was what I heard at home. Not as bad as some kids mind you but I was guilty of confirmation bias more.

My own political history is a bit of a rollercoaster, which I chalk up to being equal parts impressionable and contrarian in my youth.

Mind, I’m still just as impressionable and contrarian, but now I’m aware of that.

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Higgs Boson's Mate  Sep 14, 2015 • 1:13:21pm

re: #220 HappyWarrior

Oh I didn’t know his stated ideology. I probably if I give myself a label, it would be American liberal. I’m to Obama’s left but I’m to that new British Labour leader’s right. Not sure about Sanders.

If I had to give myself a label it would be “Do Not Bend, Fold, Spindle, or Mutilate.” Too fucking late now. LOL….ow!

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Kragar  Sep 14, 2015 • 1:13:28pm
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jaunte  Sep 14, 2015 • 1:13:52pm

re: #224 HappyWarrior

There must have been some conversation at Cruz HQ about “We have to get our own Shepard Fairey!!!”

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Blind Frog Belly White  Sep 14, 2015 • 1:14:01pm

re: #218 jaunte

I’ve been lurking here since shortly after 9/11/2001, but it was just way too weird to comment for a long time.

I had no interest in this place until John Cole on Balloon Juice linked to Charles’ “Why I Left The Right” post. But IIRC, I didn’t really look in seriously until the 2012 election. Everyone seemed so sane. It was nice.

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Kragar  Sep 14, 2015 • 1:15:18pm

re: #229 Higgs Boson’s Mate

If I had to give myself a label it would be “Do Not Bend, Fold, Spindle, or Mutilate.” Too fucking late now. LOL….ow!

If I had to give myself a label, I’d pick the Apple logo, because if it was mine, I could sue the shit out of Apple.

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aagcobb  Sep 14, 2015 • 1:16:44pm

re: #232 Blind Frog Belly White

I had no interest in this place until John Cole on Balloon Juice linked to Charles’ “Why I Left The Right” post. But IIRC, I didn’t really look in seriously until the 2012 election. Everyone seemed so sane. It was nice.

I occasionally checked out articles here when it was still argely rightwing because even then Charles was sane about the evolution/creationism issue and I would look at those threads.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Sep 14, 2015 • 1:16:59pm

re: #223 Romantic Heretic

Same here. Women are far more inclined to listen and more inclined to forgive.

Men, not so much.

That wasn’t my experience, but I put that down to the individual more than the gender.

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Romantic Heretic  Sep 14, 2015 • 1:17:06pm

re: #214 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse

“We have to keep digging till we find something to prove that Hillary is a wicked snake in the grass.”

/

And if we don’t find it, we’ll make something up. Made up truth is better than real truth anyway.

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Nyet  Sep 14, 2015 • 1:18:39pm

re: #232 Blind Frog Belly White

I had been interested in LGF and its slow change for some years and what finally convinced me to forget the grudges about its right-wing past was Charles’ heartfelt post about torture.

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jaunte  Sep 14, 2015 • 1:19:01pm

re: #234 aagcobb

I occasionally checked out articles here when it was still argely rightwing because even then Charles was sane about the evolution/creationism issue and I would look at those threads.

That was when I really began enjoying the discussions here.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 14, 2015 • 1:23:20pm

I had heard of this site in the Bush years. Thought Charles was just a “neo-con war mongrel” but I had found out that he had been standing up against the rise of European neo-fascists which a lot of people on the right were embracing in their anti Islam zeal. This was during my moderate phase so I also realized that despite my problems with Iraq, I had some understanding and even sympathy for neo-conservative foreign policy but I thought it was executed terribly.

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makeitstop  Sep 14, 2015 • 1:29:41pm

re: #222 jaunte

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Sabo? Is that the guy that CCJ was working with for a while?

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b_sharp  Sep 14, 2015 • 1:30:24pm

re: #232 Blind Frog Belly White

I had no interest in this place until John Cole on Balloon Juice linked to Charles’ “Why I Left The Right” post. But IIRC, I didn’t really look in seriously until the 2012 election. Everyone seemed so sane. It was nice.

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ObserverArt  Sep 14, 2015 • 1:34:47pm

re: #168 Backwoods_Sleuth

LOL, I’m only as far through the comments seeing KT got 12 downdings.

Yeah, but the downdings are coming from “conservatives” members at that time. Then he managed to get the newer members going and got downdings from them later.

I give KT credit, he was fighting the good fight.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 14, 2015 • 1:37:22pm

re: #242 ObserverArt

Yeah, but the downdings are coming from “conservatives” members at that time. Then he managed to get the newer members going and got downdings from them later.

I give KT credit, he was fighting the good fight.

I liked this comment saying the McCain thing was 10 years ago, while everyone else in the thread is whining about Obama and Wright.

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EPR-radar  Sep 14, 2015 • 1:39:37pm

re: #172 It’s on his hat!

This thread is equally entertaining/nauseating. Perhaps more so, because the bile gets turned up to 11 after reality set in that Obama would be president.

I wasn’t on LGF at the time, but as someone who had a serious political change of heart, like Charles, and at around the same time he did, I can’t help but fear what my comments would have looked like on these old threads. Don’t judge us too harshly. ;-)

Seconded. After all, to be anti-Republican in 2015 doesn’t really say much about one’s political views. Opposition to deliberately stupid government by blinkered zealots that are completely disconnected from reality is a sufficient explanation.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Sep 14, 2015 • 1:47:40pm

re: #241 b_sharp

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It did turn out to actually BE nice, if you were wondering.

I had spent most of the previous decade as the increasingly lone voice of reason on the political subforum of a bowhunting forum. I left there when I saw someone post, for the umpteenth time, “We know that every time taxes have been cut, revenue increased”, and I just didn’t have the patience to dig up my charts again and put up with being called a Communist, Socialist, and The Worst Person In America again.

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b_sharp  Sep 14, 2015 • 1:49:44pm

re: #245 Blind Frog Belly White

It did turn out to actually BE nice, if you were wondering.

I had spent most of the previous decade as the increasingly lone voice of reason on the political subforum of a bowhunting forum. I left there when I saw someone post, for the umpteenth time, “We know that every time taxes have been cut, revenue increased”, and I just didn’t have the patience to dig up my charts again and put up with being called a Communist, Socialist, and The Worst Person In America again.

In spite of all that, we still love you.

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unproven innocence  Sep 14, 2015 • 8:57:32pm

re: #205 Blind Frog Belly White

It’s not just gender, it’s also last name. I was watching ‘Hard Ball’ the other day, and there was a discussion of Clinton and the email thing. Kathleen Parker agreed when Matthews said that nobody’s found anything, but said you have to keep looking. I was floored. Her reasoning seemed to be that because it’s Hillary Clinton, you have to keep digging until you either find something or can’t dig anymore. Not that you should have some reason to start digging in the first place, some actual crime you have reason to believe was committed. No, just keep looking - “you have to peel back the layers of the onion” till you find something.

Whatever happened to ‘probably cause’ as a reason to investigate? Whatever happened to ‘innocent until proven guilty’?

I wish I could answer candidly without reservation, but briefly stated: What we did to get OBL, whose innocence was never in question, was to assemble the most invasive and far-reaching surveillance and data-gathering system ever conceived, and apply it globally. Then with several million iterations of mission creep, those systems and methods have been applied far more broadly, far beyond rooting out terrorist threats. Now, practically every person on earth is treated as a “potential” terrorist or lawbreaker, political enemy, counter-revolutionary, subversive, pederast, tax cheat, hacker, copyright infringer, whatever. The list grows faster than anyone can type.

A presumption of guilt was baked into our current global surveillance/spying system very early on —to get OBL —so it is not going away anytime soon.

If anyone thinks this system respects a presumption of innocence in any meaningful way, or that due process is routinely followed or even matters, I have a bridge to sell you, cheap.

I should rephrase that. [Bill Gates] I can *get* you a bridge.[/Bill Gates]


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