Image of the Day: The Icy Mountains of Pluto

From 11,000 miles away
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This is one of the most spectacular views of Pluto from the New Horizons spacecraft; more images here: Pluto ‘Wows’ in Spectacular New Backlit Panorama | NASA.

Just 15 minutes after its closest approach to Pluto on July 14, 2015, NASA’s New Horizons spacecraft looked back toward the sun and captured this near-sunset view of the rugged, icy mountains and flat ice plains extending to Pluto’s horizon. The smooth expanse of the informally named Sputnik Planum (right) is flanked to the west (left) by rugged mountains up to 11,000 feet (3,500 meters) high, including the informally named Norgay Montes in the foreground and Hillary Montes on the skyline. The backlighting highlights more than a dozen layers of haze in Pluto’s tenuous but distended atmosphere. The image was taken from a distance of 11,000 miles (18,000 kilometers) to Pluto; the scene is 230 miles (380 kilometers) across.

Credits: NASA/JHUAPL/SwRI)

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Great White Snark  Sep 17, 2015 • 9:19:48pm
New Horizons spacecraft looked back toward the sun and captured this near-sunset view of the rugged, icy mountains and flat ice plains extending to Pluto’s horizon

New guys worry about gear, pros worry about costs. masters of the art, well they only worry about the light.

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teleskiguy  Sep 17, 2015 • 9:30:40pm
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CleverToad  Sep 17, 2015 • 9:34:22pm

The clarity of detail in these pictures is still awe-inspiring. Fantastic payoff in knowledge, unexpected bonus in artistry. Masters indeed.

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Kragar  Sep 17, 2015 • 9:44:41pm

If something there isn’t named Yuggoth, I will be sorely disappointed

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freetoken  Sep 17, 2015 • 9:48:30pm

Well, the twitterz are twittering:

United States Trends * Change
#DENvsKC
Andy Reid
#OppositeDay
Clemson
#AllForLoveOnItunes
Von Miller
Jim Nantz
Obama is a Muslim
#BuyConfidentOniTunes
Demaryius Thomas

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CriticalDragon1177  Sep 17, 2015 • 9:53:16pm

re: #2 teleskiguy

Cool. Skying on Pluto would be fun, but you would definitely need a spacesuit that wouldn’t brake easily.

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teleskiguy  Sep 17, 2015 • 9:55:48pm

Charles, shouldn’t the sub-hed say “11,000,000 miles away”?

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freetoken  Sep 17, 2015 • 9:59:22pm

I will take this time to inform once again that Trump is in the WWE “Hall of Fame”.

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teleskiguy  Sep 17, 2015 • 9:59:24pm

re: #7 teleskiguy

More precisely, approximately 9.2 billion miles away.

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freetoken  Sep 17, 2015 • 10:02:12pm

re: #9 teleskiguy

More precisely, approximately 9.2 billion miles away.

How many Donald Trumps is that?

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teleskiguy  Sep 17, 2015 • 10:04:00pm

re: #10 freetoken

How many Donald Trumps is that?

It has to be way less than 9.2 billion. Are you talking about his money or his essence?

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Dark_Falcon  Sep 17, 2015 • 10:04:34pm

re: #8 freetoken

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I will take this time to inform once again that Trump is in the WWE “Hall of Fame”.

He took some wallops, from what I hear and what little I saw. He didn’t break under the pressure, though he bent. But that’s better than fading into the background after spouting some canned lines, as Scott Walker did.

Once again, I was please to read that Rubio had done well. He avoided going after Trump directly, but he connected well with the audience and he was clear in his expressed views and plans.

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Dark_Falcon  Sep 17, 2015 • 10:05:31pm

re: #11 teleskiguy

It has to be way less than 9.2 billion. Are you talking about his money or his essence?

His money, of course. The solar system is far to small to contain his essence.

//

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freetoken  Sep 17, 2015 • 10:10:52pm

re: #11 teleskiguy

It has to be way less than 9.2 billion. Are you talking about his money or his essence?

I’m defining a new physical constant called the DonaldTrump. Just like Newtons/Coulomb is the unit for an electric field and Gauss the unit for a magnetic field, a DonaldTrump is unit of the Braggadocious-Ass field, otherwise known as measuring ego/derps.

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teleskiguy  Sep 17, 2015 • 10:11:20pm

re: #12 Dark_Falcon

He took some wallops, from what I hear and what little I saw. He didn’t break under the pressure, though he bent. But that’s better than fading into the background after spouting some canned lines, as Scott Walker did.

Once again, I was please to read that Rubio had done well. He avoided going after Trump directly, but he connected well with the audience and he was clear in his expressed views and plans.

Huh?!?

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freetoken  Sep 17, 2015 • 10:12:12pm

re: #15 teleskiguy

Yup. And he’ll do that Putin and ISIS too!

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Dark_Falcon  Sep 17, 2015 • 10:15:07pm

re: #16 freetoken

Yup. And he’ll do that Putin and ISIS too!

I’m sure Putin is just quaking at the thought. For all own BS, Vladimir Putin’s a tougher man than Donald Trump.

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CriticalDragon1177  Sep 17, 2015 • 10:18:20pm

Just a reminder of how creationist use everything they think they can to attack science, including Pluto. Leave it to the scientifically illiterate losers at “Answers in Genesis” to find a way.

Pluto’s Surface Is Young!
donotlink.com

Yeah never mind how even if Pluto’s surface was only around six to ten thousand years old, ( and its not ) it wouldn’t say anything about the age of anything else, not mention the very old surface of the Moon, that is just littered with craters.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Sep 17, 2015 • 10:20:31pm

re: #18 CriticalDragon1177

Just a reminder of how creationist use every thing they think they can to attack science, including Pluto. Leave it to the scientifically illiterate losers at Answers in Genesis to find a way.

Pluto’s Surface Is Young!
donotlink.com

Yeah never mind how even if Pluto’s surface was only around six to ten thousand years old, ( and its not ) it wouldn’t say anything about the age of anything else, not mention the very old surface of the Moon, that is just littered with craters.

The Bible says nothing about Pluto, or even the five known planets at the time, AFAIK. They got lumped in with “the heavens.”

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freetoken  Sep 17, 2015 • 10:21:06pm

White grievance theatre going strong on the Trump twitterz. Trump is really strumming their guitar.

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CriticalDragon1177  Sep 17, 2015 • 10:22:34pm

re: #17 Dark_Falcon

I’m sure Putin is just quaking at the thought. For all own BS, Vladimir Putin’s a tougher man than Donald Trump.

Except that I have a feeling that, that was fake. Modern professional wrestling is more of a show than a sport and Trump getting into a fight outside of the ring, just adds to the spectacle.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Sep 17, 2015 • 10:22:40pm

re: #7 teleskiguy

Charles, shouldn’t the sub-hed say “11,000,000 miles away”?

The spacecraft is looking back at Pluto after its closest approach, but is still only 11,000 miles away.

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Dark_Falcon  Sep 17, 2015 • 10:25:28pm

re: #21 CriticalDragon1177

Except that I have a feeling that, that was fake. Modern professional wrestling is more of a show than a sport and Trump getting into a fight outside of the ring, just adds to the spectacle.

Oh, it was choreographed, no doubt about it. That’s doesn’t mean the wrestler’s themselves can be out of shape, since the injuries you hear about them suffering are very real.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Sep 17, 2015 • 10:25:34pm

re: #22 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

The spacecraft is looking back at Pluto after its closest approach, but is still only 11,000 miles away.

from Pluto. The Rev thought the subhead meant the distance from Earth, I think.

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CriticalDragon1177  Sep 17, 2015 • 10:25:45pm

re: #19 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

The Bible says nothing about Pluto, or even the five known planets at the time, AFAIK. They got lumped in with “the heavens.”

I know. It also says nothing about America, which the American religious right is so certain has played just a big role in God’s plan, and will continue to in the future. Hmmm…. Wonder why the Bible never mentions us if that’s the case.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Sep 17, 2015 • 10:27:38pm

re: #18 CriticalDragon1177

Just a reminder of how creationist use every thing they think they can to attack science, including Pluto. Leave it to the scientifically illiterate losers at Answers in Genesis to find a way.

Pluto’s Surface Is Young!
donotlink.com

Yeah never mind how even if Pluto’s surface was only around six to ten thousand years old, ( and its not ) it wouldn’t say anything about the age of anything else, not mention the very old surface of the Moon, that is just littered with craters.

The exact details of Pluto’s surface probably are young—considerable resurfacing would occur on each orbit as frozen gasses sublime to produce a thin atmosphere near perihelion, and then refreeze and precipitate as it moves farther away. Remember Pluto was closer to the sun than Neptune from 1979-1999. A half orbit later, in 2112, it will be getting less than half the heat from the sun that it did in 1989.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Sep 17, 2015 • 10:27:52pm

re: #25 CriticalDragon1177

I know. It also says nothing about America, which the American religious right is so certain has played just a big role in God’s plan, and will continue to in the future. Hmmm…. Wonder why the Bible never mentions us if that’s the case.

I’m sure it’s one of the lost books of the gospels, Paul’s Epistles from Martha’s Vineyard.

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goddamnedfrank  Sep 17, 2015 • 10:30:42pm

re: #12 Dark_Falcon

Once again, I was please to read that Rubio had done well. He avoided going after Trump directly, but he connected well with the audience and he was clear in his expressed views and plans.

1.) Did you even watch it? Rubio was utterly forgettable.

2.) Given who he is and the large immigrant population he represents don’t you think the failure to go after Trump directly was a kind of cowardice?

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teleskiguy  Sep 17, 2015 • 10:34:07pm

re: #22 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

The spacecraft is looking back at Pluto after its closest approach, but is still only 11,000 miles away.

AH! Okay. Got it. Is my face red?

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teleskiguy  Sep 17, 2015 • 10:34:49pm

re: #24 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

from Pluto. The Rev thought the subhead meant the distance from Earth, I think.

Science. How does work?

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freetoken  Sep 17, 2015 • 10:38:30pm

re: #28 goddamnedfrank

More directly, even in his home state Rubio can’t get enough people to pick him on a beauty list to move up the ladder against Trump.

Here’s the truth about Marco Rubio - the GOP establishment thinks more of him than the masses do.

Going by looks - Rubio, through no fault of his own, is too short and too cute (in a feminine way.) For a base that is trying to out-macho Lee Van Cleef as “the Bad”, that’s not a good thing.

Additionally, Huckster, Carson and Cruz have cornered the Jeezus market, not letting many for the rest of the clown car to vacuum up.

Maybe, just maybe, if the Kochs and their friends get their way and Walker in the nominee, they will pick Rubio as the VP. That’s his best chance of a future political career.

OTOH, if Rubio would be willing to not shill for his billionaire backers and rather connect with the everyday working people, and he’d have to change parties to accomplish that, he might find a future as a neo-liberal Democrat. But that might call for too much plasticity on his part.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Sep 17, 2015 • 10:39:15pm

re: #25 CriticalDragon1177

I know. It also says nothing about America, which the American religious right is so certain has played just a big role in God’s plan, and will continue to in the future. Hmmm…. Wonder why the Bible never mentions us if that’s the case.

It’s also worth noting that astronomer-astrologists 2,000 years ago had no concept of how big the solar system is, until Copernicus made the first estimates in the 1500s. Even then, he was off by a factor of 10, at least.

I wonder if the lack of references to America in the Bible prompted some Christians to propose Jews and/or white people came to America 2,000 years ago.

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Eventual Carrion  Sep 17, 2015 • 10:39:46pm

re: #25 CriticalDragon1177

I know. It also says nothing about America, which the American religious right is so certain has played just a big role in God’s plan, and will continue to in the future. Hmmm…. Wonder why the Bible never mentions us if that’s the case.

Mysterious ways, or peyote I am never sure which.

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Eventual Carrion  Sep 17, 2015 • 10:41:57pm

re: #26 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

The exact details of Pluto’s surface probably are young—considerable resurfacing would occur on each orbit as frozen gasses sublime to produce a thin atmosphere near perihelion, and then refreeze and precipitate as it moves farther away. Remember Pluto was closer to the sun than Neptune from 1979-1999. A half orbit later, in 2112, it will be getting less than half the heat from the sun that it did in 1989.

Huh, you talk funny

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Jayleia  Sep 17, 2015 • 10:42:39pm

re: #15 teleskiguy

Y’know for a fairly old guy with no experience as a wrestler, that’s not a half-bad clothesline. The sad part is, that was when Trump was relatively respectable*…its been all downhill from there.

*except for possibly raping his ex (definitely inclined to believe her), the scams, the failed businesses, the misogyny and general dickishness…but at least he wasn’t posing a danger to the country and to the entire world then.

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Dark_Falcon  Sep 17, 2015 • 10:47:31pm

re: #28 goddamnedfrank

1. I didn’t watch much, but what I saw did not lead me to your conclusion. Politico didn’t agree with you either.

2. No, I don’t agree. Rubio can’t face Trump head to head, since he doesn’t have the numbers. What he can do is make his own case and not do a “Me, too!” regarding Trump’s DERPs while waiting for Trump to weaken. Just going straight in at Trump would avail him little.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Sep 17, 2015 • 10:55:10pm

re: #32 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

It’s also worth noting that astronomer-astrologists 2,000 years ago had no concept of how big the solar system is, until Copernicus made the first estimates in the 1500s. Even then, he was off by a factor of 10, at least.

I wonder if the lack of references to America in the Bible prompted some Christians to propose Jews and/or white people came to America 2,000 years ago.

Albert Van Helden, in Measuring the Universe: Cosmic Dimensions from Aristarchus to Halley, decides that the ancients’ estimate of the size of the Sphere of the Fixed Stars, that formed the periphery of the Cosmos, was no larger than the Earth’s orbit actually is. A really claustrophobic universe.

Reminds me of Firefly, where there were supposed to be dozens, if not hundreds, of planets just floating around like some kind of Aristotelian fever dream in a space no bigger than the inner Solar System, it seems like. Never could figure that out.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Sep 17, 2015 • 11:02:13pm

re: #37 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

Albert Van Helden, in Measuring the Universe: Cosmic Dimensions from Aristarchus to Halley, decides that the ancients’ estimate of the size of the Sphere of the Fixed Stars, that formed the periphery of the Cosmos, was no larger than the Earth’s orbit actually is. A really claustrophobic universe.

Reminds me of Firefly, where there were supposed to be dozens, if not hundreds, of planets just floating around like some kind of Aristotelian fever dream in a space no bigger than the inner Solar System, it seems like. Never could figure that out.

Artistic license, to pick up the pace of the plot.

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Kragar  Sep 17, 2015 • 11:06:31pm
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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Sep 17, 2015 • 11:13:10pm

Police have arrested Dylan Roof’s friend, Joey Meek, for allegedly lying to the police.

bbc.com

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William Lewis  Sep 17, 2015 • 11:14:03pm

re: #37 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

I never cared for Firefly and that was only one of the big problems with the series. I know some serious SF people who can overlook the issues but I never could get into “Outlaw Josey Wales In SPAAAAAACE!!!!”

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Charles Johnson  Sep 17, 2015 • 11:17:36pm

re: #7 teleskiguy

Charles, shouldn’t the sub-hed say “11,000,000 miles away”?

Nope - 11,000 miles away is where the spacecraft was when it took this photo.

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teleskiguy  Sep 17, 2015 • 11:19:09pm

re: #42 Charles Johnson

Nope - 11,000 miles away is where the spacecraft was when it took this photo.

Yup. The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge and wheatdogg set me straight.

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freetoken  Sep 17, 2015 • 11:50:33pm
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freetoken  Sep 17, 2015 • 11:59:24pm

This one goes out to Donald Trump: Sue Raney from 1960:

MP3 Audio

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freetoken  Sep 18, 2015 • 12:00:26am
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teleskiguy  Sep 18, 2015 • 12:29:51am
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Amory Blaine  Sep 18, 2015 • 12:41:12am
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Amory Blaine  Sep 18, 2015 • 12:53:33am
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Amory Blaine  Sep 18, 2015 • 1:04:51am
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Targetpractice  Sep 18, 2015 • 1:18:57am

Rubio’s only positive in the debate was that he was more polished than his last appearance, which is to say he was better prepared for regurgitating the canned talking points that his campaign staff is feeding him. He offered nothing new, he’s not really anything different from the rest of the pack, and he’s pretty much the perfect example of what the GOP is supposedly railing against, namely an amateur who has no executive experience and no idea what he’s really doing.

About the smartest thing he said Wednesday night was that he’s not running for reelection.

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goddamnedfrank  Sep 18, 2015 • 1:33:05am

‘Slaves built the US the way cows built McDonald’s’ — and other historical ‘facts’ from a Breitbart editor

Holy fuck. I knew Katie was complete and total racist trash, but damn, she has been epically upping her game over the last couple of days.

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Amory Blaine  Sep 18, 2015 • 2:03:25am

This guy does some funny tool tear-downs.

BOLTR: Drill Doctor

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Sep 18, 2015 • 2:13:42am

For the Doctor Who fans — Jenna Coleman (“Clara”) to play the young Queen Victoria in a mini-series.

bbc.com

No TARDIS involved.

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WhatEVs  Sep 18, 2015 • 2:47:38am

re: #52 goddamnedfrank

‘Slaves built the US the way cows built McDonald’s’ — and other historical ‘facts’ from a Breitbart editor

Holy fuck. I knew Katie was complete and total racist trash, but damn, she has been epically upping her game over the last couple of days.

Hum. Wow. She seems nice. Not. Ever.

What turns a person into…that?

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I Stand With Planned Parenthood  Sep 18, 2015 • 2:54:25am

The proper way to Godwin:

Of Pat Buchanan’s culture war speech at the 1992 Republican convention, she said, it “probably read better in the original German.” -Molly Ivins

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I Stand With Planned Parenthood  Sep 18, 2015 • 2:55:30am

re: #52 goddamnedfrank

‘Slaves built the US the way cows built McDonald’s’ — and other historical ‘facts’ from a Breitbart editor

Holy fuck. I knew Katie was complete and total racist trash, but damn, she has been epically upping her game over the last couple of days.

Is this girl out of high school?

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I Stand With Planned Parenthood  Sep 18, 2015 • 2:56:14am

re: #51 Targetpractice

Rubio’s only positive in the debate was that he was more polished than his last appearance, which is to say he was better prepared for regurgitating the canned talking points that his campaign staff is feeding him. He offered nothing new, he’s not really anything different from the rest of the pack, and he’s pretty much the perfect example of what the GOP is supposedly railing against, namely an amateur who has no executive experience and no idea what he’s really doing.

About the smartest thing he said Wednesday night was that he’s not running for reelection.

his hair was better than Trump’s.

--but not better than a Ken doll.

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I Stand With Planned Parenthood  Sep 18, 2015 • 2:59:12am
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WhatEVs  Sep 18, 2015 • 3:12:10am

re: #59 I Stand With Planned Parenthood

Oh, he’s definitely 14. Very cute story.

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I Stand With Planned Parenthood  Sep 18, 2015 • 3:36:54am

more Molly Ivins:

On Immigration: “The Fence will not work. No fence will work. The Great darn Wall of China will not work. Undocumented immigrants will come anyway. Over, under, or through. Anyone who says a fence can fix this problem is a demagogue and an ass.”

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goddamnedfrank  Sep 18, 2015 • 4:04:57am
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I Stand With Planned Parenthood  Sep 18, 2015 • 4:09:13am

Cop hits kid with baton at Stockton RTD
‘He’s a F*cking Kid’: Video Shows Nine California Cops Arrest Sobbing Black Teen for ‘Jaywalking’

Under California law, jaywalking is an infraction, not a misdemeanor, carrying fines up to $191.

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goddamnedfrank  Sep 18, 2015 • 4:14:50am

re: #63 I Stand With Planned Parenthood

Stockton routinely ranks among the worst, most miserable cities in America.

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I Stand With Planned Parenthood  Sep 18, 2015 • 4:19:49am
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freetoken  Sep 18, 2015 • 4:27:08am

Well, yesterday Hungary closed its borders, so the flow of refugees moved towards Croatia. But it’s too much for the Croatians:

CROATIA SEEKS TO REDIRECT MIGRANTS TOWARD HUNGARY, SLOVENIA

Croatian Prime Minister Zoran Milanovic said Friday his nation is overwhelmed by a huge influx of migrants and will redirect people toward Hungary and Slovenia as they move north in hopes of reaching more prosperous European countries.

It wasn’t immediately clear how Croatia’s move would solve the situation since both Hungary and Slovenia are taking steps to keep migrants out, deepening a crisis as people seek a route to refuge.

Huge numbers of people have surged into Croatia after Hungary erected a barbed wire-fence on its border with Serbia and took other tough measures to stop them from using it as a gateway into Western Europe. Croatia represents a longer and more difficult route into Europe, but those fleeing violence in their homelands had little choice.

[…]

Doesn’t seem like there is any place for them to go but back to Turkey.

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freetoken  Sep 18, 2015 • 4:29:45am

Croatia closes borders as 13,000 migrants surge into overwhelmed nation

Croatia has been forced to close almost all of its borders with Serbia as it struggles to cope with a sudden surge of migrants desperate to cross into the EU.

Officials declared “this is not the road to Europe” as authorities moved to close seven of the eight road crossings after more than 13,000 migrants poured into the country.

The country has been utterly overwhelmed by the influx of people after initially stating it would allow migrants to pass through.

[…]

13,000 only a couple of days after Hungary closes its borders. I wonder what it will be like in another week.

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I Stand With Planned Parenthood  Sep 18, 2015 • 4:34:15am

More on Debtor’s Prisons —LOUISIANNA.

I think I started noticing this in the media —4-5 years ago. I Paged a lot about it for a while.

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I Stand With Planned Parenthood  Sep 18, 2015 • 4:36:54am
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WhatEVs  Sep 18, 2015 • 4:37:40am
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I Stand With Planned Parenthood  Sep 18, 2015 • 4:42:30am
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I Stand With Planned Parenthood  Sep 18, 2015 • 4:45:34am

re: #70 WhatEVs

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looks like Scarlet O’Hara —I mean Vivien Leigh.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Sep 18, 2015 • 4:46:48am

re: #71 I Stand With Planned Parenthood

The Most Popular Song From the Year You Were Born Will Totally Surprise You

my birth year isn’t listed

For millennials only.

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freetoken  Sep 18, 2015 • 5:03:31am

Jeb Bush tells Hannity: US should accept every Christian and Iraqi refugee

The United States should accept Syrian and Iraqi refugees as long as they are Christians
and their lives are endangered, GOP presidential hopeful Jeb Bush said, during an interview with Fox News host Sean Hannity late Thursday.

[…]

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freetoken  Sep 18, 2015 • 5:05:19am

Who knew there was another coup in Burkina Faso a couple of days ago?

Why This Week’s Coup in Burkina Faso Might Not Last

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Sep 18, 2015 • 5:05:56am

re: #74 freetoken

Jeb Bush tells Hannity: US should accept every Christian and Iraqi refugee

Perhaps we need to review the parable of the good Samaritan.

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freetoken  Sep 18, 2015 • 5:08:02am

re: #76 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

Perhaps we need to review the parable of the good Samaritan.

Well, Jeb! would accept the Samaritan, as long as said Samaritan is “Christian.”

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goddamnedfrank  Sep 18, 2015 • 5:09:02am

re: #74 freetoken

These assholes are fucking amazing. It’s like the 1st and 14th Amendments just don’t exist in their minds.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Sep 18, 2015 • 5:10:09am

re: #77 freetoken

Well, Jeb! would accept the Samaritan, as long as said Samaritan is “Christian.”

Which wasn’t really the lesson being taught. But that was the librull, commie Jesus speaking, not the conserva-Jesus.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Sep 18, 2015 • 5:12:44am

UpChuck has a BREAKING!!! story about Carly Fiorina being friends with Jesse Jackson, which should immediately disqualify her for the presidency.

He quotes the American Expectorator.

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goddamnedfrank  Sep 18, 2015 • 5:15:16am
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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Sep 18, 2015 • 5:22:20am

re: #80 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

And surprise! This friendship has been public since 2010, at least. mercurynews.com

So, it’s not exactly BREAKING!!!

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I Stand With Planned Parenthood  Sep 18, 2015 • 5:28:57am

bbl

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freetoken  Sep 18, 2015 • 5:29:30am

Photos: Japan’s lawmakers have a fistfight over pacifism

Japanese legislators who want to protect the country’s 70-year tradition of pacifism resorted to violence today (Sept. 17) to defend their ideals.

Photos of a violent scuffle in a legislative committee meeting this morning reveal the depth of controversy in Japan over a new security bill. The measure, backed by prime minister Shinzo Abe and his ruling coalition, would expand Japan’s Self Defense Forces’ mandate, allowing it to assist overseas allies. Since 1947, when the country’s post World War Two constitution was enacted, Japan’s military has been restricted to acting only in cases of self-defense.

According to the BBC, this apparent shift toward remilitarization is not supported by the majority of Japanese.

[…]

Image: diet-feat.jpg

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freetoken  Sep 18, 2015 • 5:34:00am

BTW, American war mongers have been pushing for Japan to let their military fight, to support US troops.

Yes, the Bomb, Bomb, Bomb Iran crowd is going to cause all sort of havoc around the world with unintended consequences to their warmongering.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Sep 18, 2015 • 5:38:38am

re: #84 freetoken

Photos: Japan’s lawmakers have a fistfight over pacifism

Image: diet-feat.jpg

The right wing in Japan is especially nervous about China’s naval adventures, of which the Diaowu Islands were just a part.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Sep 18, 2015 • 5:41:22am

BREAKING!!! Carly Fiorina and Jesse Jackson have been friends since 2010 - at least

GotNwes has just learned by poring over alarmist right-wing, racist websites (like GotNewsDotCom) that presidential candidate and corporate albatross Carly Fiorina is good friends with a liberal, black man, the Rev. Jesse Jackson.

To our great surprise, this relationship has been going on since 2010, if not longer, but since we just found out about it, we’re calling it BREAKING!!! news.

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goddamnedfrank  Sep 18, 2015 • 5:43:13am
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lawhawk  Sep 18, 2015 • 5:44:20am

re: #48 Amory Blaine

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That’s some fantastic fiscal responsibility there from Walker. To say nothing of the exquisite irony of screwing workers and businesses he says he cares about. His ratings have cratered, and the drain awaits.

His campaign is toast, and he’s apparently the last to know as he says he’ll soldier on. It’s particularly harsh considering that utterly forgettable George Pataki! is still in the race, and Walker’s campaign is hurting so bad that they’re stiffing vendors and now talking retrenching to fight in Iowa solely.

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Bill and Opus for 2016!  Sep 18, 2015 • 5:46:23am

re: #52 goddamnedfrank

‘Slaves built the US the way cows built McDonald’s’ — and other historical ‘facts’ from a Breitbart editor

Holy fuck. I knew Katie was complete and total racist trash, but damn, she has been epically upping her game over the last couple of days.

Looking at her timeline, I think it’s safe to say that Brietbart now has an unapologetic white nationalist working for them.

When you tweet “cuckservative” crap, follow and retweet the Council of Conservative Citizens - all in the last month - there is really no other conclusion I can come to.

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lawhawk  Sep 18, 2015 • 5:46:25am

re: #88 goddamnedfrank

Spent a good portion of last night fending off an AoS derplanche in my feed. Galloping goalposts and ignoring all the facts surrounding the videos, not the least of which was that CMP admits that they took footage from elsewhere - completely unrelated to PP to make the videos.

But that wont stop them from saying that PP is getting rich on baby parts. Nothing will. They’re impervious to facts.

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lawhawk  Sep 18, 2015 • 5:47:42am

re: #75 freetoken

Who knew there was another coup in Burkina Faso a couple of days ago?

Why This Week’s Coup in Burkina Faso Might Not Last

It’s part of Africa - not like most Americans care (or could find it on a map).

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HappyWarrior  Sep 18, 2015 • 5:49:11am

The right is getting more and more fucked up by the day.

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Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Sep 18, 2015 • 5:50:08am

re: #89 lawhawk

That’s some fantastic fiscal responsibility there from Walker. To say nothing of the exquisite irony of screwing workers and businesses he says he cares about. His ratings have cratered, and the drain awaits.

His campaign is toast, and he’s apparently the last to know as he says he’ll soldier on. It’s particularly harsh considering that utterly forgettable George Pataki! is still in the race, and Walker’s campaign is hurting so bad that they’re stiffing vendors and now talking retrenching to fight in Iowa solely.

Couldn’t happen to a nicer guy.

/

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goddamnedfrank  Sep 18, 2015 • 5:50:11am

re: #92 lawhawk

It’s part of Africa - not like most Americans care (or could find it on a map).

It took quite a few tries but now I can type the names of all the countries in the world from memory.

sporcle.com

Not sure how useful a skill that is though.

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The Vicious Babushka  Sep 18, 2015 • 5:53:55am

re: #88 goddamnedfrank

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“A lie told frequently enough becomes the truth”—attributed to various people

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Archangelus  Sep 18, 2015 • 5:54:50am

On the Late Show with Steven Colbert, Trevor Noah brilliantly imitated and encapsulated the entire GOP debate in less than 30 seconds:

Trevor Noah Impersonates The Entire GOP Debate

While I’m still mourning John Stewart’s departure from the Daily Show, I’m quite curious to see what the show will look like with Noah at the helm..

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The Vicious Babushka  Sep 18, 2015 • 5:55:40am

re: #91 lawhawk

Spent a good portion of last night fending off an AoS derplanche in my feed. Galloping goalposts and ignoring all the facts surrounding the videos, not the least of which was that CMP admits that they took footage from elsewhere - completely unrelated to PP to make the videos.

But that wont stop them from saying that PP is getting rich on baby parts. Nothing will. They’re impervious to facts.

It was my fault, I embedded an AoS tweet here. I won’t do that again. :(

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lawhawk  Sep 18, 2015 • 5:58:34am

re: #95 goddamnedfrank

I play the memory game with elements. Usually end up getting about 110-113 of them out of the 118. If I play consistently, I can occasionally get them all. Sometimes get tripped up with spelling.

Will have to try the geography ones.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 18, 2015 • 6:05:19am

I’m better with the names than locations. I’m good at Europe though since most of my undergraduate history classes were about the region. We had a small quiz though when I took Chinese history to identify all the provinces, that was tough.

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WhatEVs  Sep 18, 2015 • 6:05:58am

re: #97 Archangelus

And just think I wasted hours of my life watching that debacle when I could have let Noah ‘splain it to me in 30 seconds.

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Archangelus  Sep 18, 2015 • 6:08:28am

re: #101 WhatEVs

And just think I wasted hours of my life watching that debacle when I could have let Noah ‘splain it to me in 30 seconds.

Yup, my thoughts exactly - how many billions of poor brain cells were killed en masse among viewers spanning the globe watching that atrocity, now all for nothing.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 18, 2015 • 6:09:13am

re: #97 Archangelus

On the Late Show with Steven Colbert, Trevor Noah brilliantly imitated the entire GOP debate in less than 30 seconds:

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Brilliant.

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Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Sep 18, 2015 • 6:10:19am

re: #98 The Vicious Babushka

Who’s AoS? I don’t really want to know, do I?

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Archangelus  Sep 18, 2015 • 6:11:23am

re: #104 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse

Who’s AoS? I don’t really want to know, do I?

AoS = Agents of Shield, Marvel’s awesome TV show. Save yourself some time and headache, that’s the only version of the acronym anyone should really know :)

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Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Sep 18, 2015 • 6:11:40am

re: #52 goddamnedfrank

‘Slaves built the US the way cows built McDonald’s’ — and other historical ‘facts’ from a Breitbart editor

These are very interesting views. I would very much like to subscribe to their newsletter….

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lawhawk  Sep 18, 2015 • 6:12:24am

re: #105 Archangelus

In this instance, it’s referring to a mil/derp blogger Ace of Spades HQ. Not SHIELD.

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Archangelus  Sep 18, 2015 • 6:13:07am

re: #107 lawhawk

In this instance, it’s referring to a mil/derp blogger Ace of Spades HQ. Not SHIELD.

I KNOW that, just offered a saner alternative - sometimes ignorance really is bliss..

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Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Sep 18, 2015 • 6:13:13am

re: #107 lawhawk

In this instance, it’s referring to a mil/derp blogger Ace of Spades HQ. Not SHIELD.

Oh yes, that name rings a bell.

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The Vicious Babushka  Sep 18, 2015 • 6:15:01am

re: #104 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse

Who’s AoS? I don’t really want to know, do I?

Ace of Spades, a wingnut hate blog populated by stalkers

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Archangelus  Sep 18, 2015 • 6:17:56am

re: #110 The Vicious Babushka

Ace of Spades, a wingnut hate blog populated by stalkers

‘Stalkers’ is too nice of a word in my humble opinion..

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The Vicious Babushka  Sep 18, 2015 • 6:20:35am

re: #111 Archangelus

‘Stalkers’ is too nice of a word in my humble opinion..

Stalkers refers specifically to people who were kicked out of LGF and obsess over Charles and LGF for YEARS.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Sep 18, 2015 • 6:21:56am

re: #112 The Vicious Babushka

Stalkers refers specifically to people who were kicked out of LGF and obsess over Charles and LGF for YEARS.

And call Charles and LGF “irrelevant.”

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lawhawk  Sep 18, 2015 • 6:24:22am

Yup. That’s how Huckabee, Santorum, and a whole bunch of GOP religious types view Israel, Jews, and their need for wish fulfillment for the Apocalypse.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 18, 2015 • 6:34:34am

re: #114 lawhawk

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Yup. That’s how Huckabee, Santorum, and a whole bunch of GOP religious types view Israel, Jews, and their need for wish fulfillment for the Apocalypse.

Yep. If their scripture saw Muslims the way scripture sees Jews, they’d denounce Jews and Israelis the same way they do Muslims and Palestinians. I have no doubt whatsoever of that. It wasn’t that long ago that evangelicals especially Southern ones were overtly hostile to Jews. They still are hostile IMO but it’s more a subtle kind.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 18, 2015 • 6:39:33am

Been hearing good things about the new David Simon show about the 28 year old guy who got elected mayor of Yonkers. Definitely something I intend on checking out on my off time this weekend.

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goddamnedfrank  Sep 18, 2015 • 6:41:16am

It begins.

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WhatEVs  Sep 18, 2015 • 6:42:32am

re: #114 lawhawk

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Yup. That’s how Huckabee, Santorum, and a whole bunch of GOP religious types view Israel, Jews, and their need for wish fulfillment for the Apocalypse.

Didn’t Ann say something about Christians converting all Jews a few years ago? Ah yes, here it is:

Slash-and-burn columnist Ann Coulter shocked a cable TV talk-show audience Monday when she declared that Jews need to be “perfected” by becoming Christians, and that America would be better off if everyone were Christian.

Coulter made the remarkable statements during an often heated appearance to promote her new book on advertising guru Donny Deutsch’s CNBC show “The Big Idea.”

In response to a question from Deutsch asking Coulter if “it would be better if we were all Christian,” the controversial columnist responded: “Yes.”

“We should all be Christian?” Deutsch repeated.

“Yes,” Coulter responded, asking Deutsch, who is Jewish, if he would like to “come to church with me.”

Deutsch, pressing Coulter further, asked, “We should just throw Judaism away and we should all be Christians?” She responded: “Yeah.”

Coulter deflected Deutsch’s assertion that her comments were anti-Semitic, matter-of-factly telling the show’s obviously upset host, “That is what Christians consider themselves: perfected Jews.”

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Great White Snark  Sep 18, 2015 • 6:43:35am

Yooge in the polls?

HT LA Times

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sizzzzlerz  Sep 18, 2015 • 6:43:44am

From the time you learned about the planets in grade school, could you have ever envisioned that you would be viewing pictures of them and seeing that Pluto, sitting out there at a distance from Earth that is incomprehensible, has mountains of ice? At best, Pluto has been a small dot of light in a vast area of black. If these pictures don’t overwhelm your awesome-ness meter, check yourself for a pulse.

Science, bitches! Yeah!

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lawhawk  Sep 18, 2015 • 6:45:41am

Saw this on FB in my feed. Someone losing their mind over fact that the US might take in refugees from the Syrian conflict, but that somehow we don’t have the money to help American military veterans.

Nothing quite like conflating two completely disparate issues - or identifying a key problem with the GOP / conservative mindset.

They refuse to pony up funds to help veterans, especially those who have mental health issues, are homeless, etc., and figure that it’s the job of the person to bootstrap themselves into a better situation. Disposable heroes; that’s how the right sees military veterans. Use them for photo ops and ignore the real problems within the military and how we treat service members on separation from service, especially those who served in active duty and have mental health issues.

Then, they clamor for doing something regarding Iraq, ISIL, Iran, and the Syrian civil war, but don’t want to do anything about the refugee crisis, or allow in refugees that amount to a fraction of a single percentage of the US population.

Never mind that these same people who are demanding to fight ISIL ignore that this helps Assad in his civil war against the rebel forces, and that helping the rebels indirectly helps ISIL in their fight to take over Syria.

This leaves the US with choosing the least bad option - and it’s pretty damned awful - doing a bit of both - hitting Assad where we can; hitting ISIL regularly, and letting others do the heavy lifting (or not at all). It’s little wonder that Syria and Russia are renewing their vows and Russia is using the opportunity to stretch its military assistance some - it’s not like they weren’t there all along (Syria has been a Russian client state since before the breakup of the USSR).

But the same right wingers who demand action of Obama also turn a blind eye to Congress, which has been refusing to address Obama’s call for an AUMF on Syria since January’s State of the Union Address. Fancy that. Even the GOP knows that this is a mine field, and they’d rather avoid going on the record with a specified plan that an AUMF would provide, and instead let Obama carry the fight under his constitutional powers as C in C. It also lets the GOP snipe away at the President’s plans, so it’s a win-win for them too - except everyone loses in a situation like this, most of all the Syrians who are stuck between ISIL and Assad.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 18, 2015 • 6:46:48am
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The Vicious Babushka  Sep 18, 2015 • 6:48:47am

re: #120 sizzzzlerz

From the time you learned about the planets in grade school, could you have ever envisioned that you would be viewing pictures of them and seeing that Pluto, sitting out there at a distance from Earth that is incomprehensible, has mountains of ice? At best, Pluto has been a small dot of light in a vast area of black. If these pictures don’t overwhelm your awesome-ness meter, check yourself for a pulse.

Science, bitches! Yeah!

Well, when I was a kid I kinda believed that by 2015 we’d be visiting the planets.

And yeah what if a time traveler from 2015 came to my grade school and told my 8-year-old self “In the future, if you need to ask any question or look up any answer, you won’t need an encyclopedia! We have a Google!”

We would have all laughed so hard.

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lawhawk  Sep 18, 2015 • 6:49:26am

re: #119 Great White Snark

Money only gets you so far. What’s missing is the burn rate that Jeb and the rest are using to sustain their campaigns so far. We’re watching Walker flame out spectacularly, even though he had what most would consider a well funded campaign until this past week.

And all that money hasn’t helped in polls either. Bad candidates with a lot of money will spend a bunch to remain - and still be bad candidates.

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The Vicious Babushka  Sep 18, 2015 • 6:49:42am

Speaking of time travelers from the future:

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Iwouldprefernotto  Sep 18, 2015 • 6:50:16am

re: #121 lawhawk

F conservatives. We have money to subsidize oil companies and hedge fund managers, but not for veterans.

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Dark_Falcon  Sep 18, 2015 • 6:51:39am

re: #85 freetoken

BTW, American war mongers have been pushing for Japan to let their military fight, to support US troops.

Yes, the Bomb, Bomb, Bomb Iran crowd is going to cause all sort of havoc around the world with unintended consequences to their warmongering.

I figured they were getting near a vote like that when Jane’s reported that the name of Japan’s newest landing ship with a flight deck is Kaga.

Interesting detail about the name: Though the original Kaga was completed as an aircraft carrier, she was laid down as a battleship and her name followed the Japanese convention for that type: Kaga, Tosa, Yamato, Musashi, and Shinano are all names of old Japanese provinces.

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Higgs Boson's Mate  Sep 18, 2015 • 6:52:02am

re: #120 sizzzzlerz

From the time you learned about the planets in grade school, could you have ever envisioned that you would be viewing pictures of them and seeing that Pluto, sitting out there at a distance from Earth that is incomprehensible, has mountains of ice? At best, Pluto has been a small dot of light in a vast area of black. If these pictures don’t overwhelm your awesome-ness meter, check yourself for a pulse.

Science, bitches! Yeah!

Science indeed. I’m so old that I remember Our Friend the Atom. When I was in grade school (Sputnik was launched when I was in Third Grade) the excitement of the dawn of the Space Age had them promising bases on the Moon and Mars well before now.
And where the fuck are the robots to do all the work so that we can spend all of our time thinking great thoughts?

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Smith25's Liberal Thighs  Sep 18, 2015 • 6:54:25am

re: #95 goddamnedfrank

It took quite a few tries but now I can type the names of all the countries in the world from memory.

sporcle.com

Not sure how useful a skill that is though.

Who cares how useful, it is awesome.

I had a general idea of all African countries, but then the Animaniacs guaranteed I would never forget.

Animaniacs - Yakko’s World - HIGH QUALITY

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lawhawk  Sep 18, 2015 • 6:55:25am

Meanwhile the attacks on the pope get underway - he’s going to Cuba as part of his North American tour, but wont meet with political prisoners in Cuba:

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Belafon  Sep 18, 2015 • 6:56:33am

#125 The Vicious Babushka:

Wait until he tells them about the black guy in the White House.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 18, 2015 • 6:58:44am

re: #130 lawhawk

Meanwhile the attacks on the pope get underway - he’s going to Cuba as part of his North American tour, but wont meet with political prisoners in Cuba:

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Shiplord Kirel  Sep 18, 2015 • 7:00:26am

re: #117 goddamnedfrank

Rubio staffer allegedly punched a Rand Paul aide in the face at a Michigan bar bit.ly

It begins.

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How long before the rivals resort to a second amenment solution?

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Rocky-in-Connecticut  Sep 18, 2015 • 7:03:28am

re: #79 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

And if you notice our modern JEEZUS!!!-approved “Christians” barely if ever present Bible verses in their entirety or in a paragraphical context to support their postions. If they do it’s always cherry-picked words and phrases to suit their very narrow ideological agenda. The Socialist and at times outright Communist words and actions of the actual Biblical Jesus and many of the Apostles don’t exactly fit in with our modern Ayn Rand/M16-carrying ‘Merican flag waving JEEZUS.

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Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Sep 18, 2015 • 7:03:37am

re: #130 lawhawk

Meanwhile the attacks on the pope get underway - he’s going to Cuba as part of his North American tour, but wont meet with political prisoners in Cuba:

GULAGS!!!!!

We knows all abouts the GULAGS in Cuba from Fox News and Radio!!!!

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HappyWarrior  Sep 18, 2015 • 7:04:36am

re: #135 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse

GULAGS!!!!!

We knows all abouts the GULAGS in Cuba from Fox News and Radio!!!!

You know, Cuba is a dictatorship but these are the people who not only had no problem with the right wing dictatorships in Latin America but wanted to arm and fund them so fuck Campos-Duffy and her double standard bullshit.

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Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Sep 18, 2015 • 7:08:01am

re: #136 HappyWarrior

You know, Cuba is a dictatorship but these are the people who not only had no problem with the right wing dictatorships in Latin America but wanted to arm and fund them so fuck Campos-Duffy and her double standard bullshit.

Right, and largely because of the embargo and travel restrictions our knowledge of Cuba is pretty limited. The more open we allow Cuba to be, the easier it will be to influence actions there. So, in effect, Cuba is taking a real chance here.

But of course for a certain segment of the U.S. any loosening of our policies towards Cuba means we are appeasement!

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HappyWarrior  Sep 18, 2015 • 7:09:33am

re: #137 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse

Right, and largely because of the embargo and travel restrictions our knowledge of Cuba is pretty limited. The more open we allow Cuba to be, the easier it will be to influence actions there. So, in effect, Cuba is taking a real chance here.

But of course for a certain segment of the U.S. any loosening of our policies towards Cuba means we are appeasement!

Right, I am sorry but the double standards on Cuba annoy the hell out of me. There are much worse dictatorships that we have tolerated for longer. The sole problem with American right wingers have with Cuba is its economic system not its human rights violations. Well I shouldn’t say sole but it’s their main problem because I don’t see them wanting to shut down relations with the PRC or Saudi Arabia where we have economic interests with them.

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Iwouldprefernotto  Sep 18, 2015 • 7:12:57am

I don’t see how attacking the Pope is going to get you more votes, bit if nothing else works…

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Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Sep 18, 2015 • 7:13:28am

re: #138 HappyWarrior

Right, I am sorry but the double standards on Cuba annoy the hell out of me. There are much worse dictatorships that we have tolerated for longer. The sole problem with American right wingers have with Cuba is its economic system not its human rights violations. Well I shouldn’t say sole but it’s their main problem because I don’t see them wanting to shut down relations with the PRC or Saudi Arabia where we have economic interests with them.

Yeah according to many of our hard liners, dictatorships in other countries are permissible, even a necessity, if they are perceived as furthering our security or ideological interests.

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sizzzzlerz  Sep 18, 2015 • 7:13:34am

On espn.com, they’re reporting that the two football players from John Jay HS in Texas who combined to blind side and then spear a referee during a game are claiming that one of their coaches told them to do it. They say that it was payback for the referee having “missed calls”.

Given the fear which kids have for their coaches, I can totally believe this. A player is not going to intentionally attack a ref as these two did. A spur-of-the-moment bump or shove, I could see. That’s an emotional response. The event, however, show premeditation. If it is true that a coach told them to do it, my guess he’ll stay quiet and let the players take the heat cause he is a chickenshit and knows that it would mean his job.

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Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Sep 18, 2015 • 7:14:32am

re: #141 sizzzzlerz

On espn.com, they’re reporting that the two football players from John Jay HS in Texas who combined to blind side and then spear a referee during a game are claiming that one of their coaches told them to do it. They say that it was payback for the referee having “missed calls”.

Given the fear which kids have for their coaches, I can totally believe this. A player is not going to intentionally attach a ref as these two did. A spur-of-the-moment bump or shove, I could see. That’s an emotional response. The event, however, show premeditation. If it is true that a coach told them to do it, my guess he’ll stay quiet and let the players take the heat cause he is a chickenshit and knows that it would mean his job.

The coach was teaching the players to be manly men.

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Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Sep 18, 2015 • 7:16:53am

re: #138 HappyWarrior

It also puzzles me how so many know-nothings here in America claim to know so much about what actually goes on in Cuba or anywhere else. They get something in an email, or hear something on talk radio and that information is digested as Confirmed. FACT.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 18, 2015 • 7:17:24am

re: #143 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse

It also puzzles me how so many know-nothings here in America claim to know so much about what actually goes on in Cuba or anywhere else. They get something in an email, or hear something on talk radio and that information is digested as Confirmed. FACT.

Right.

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Smith25's Liberal Thighs  Sep 18, 2015 • 7:18:08am

re: #141 sizzzzlerz

On espn.com, they’re reporting that the two football players from John Jay HS in Texas who combined to blind side and then spear a referee during a game are claiming that one of their coaches told them to do it. They say that it was payback for the referee having “missed calls”.

Given the fear which kids have for their coaches, I can totally believe this. A player is not going to intentionally attach a ref as these two did. A spur-of-the-moment bump or shove, I could see. That’s an emotional response. The event, however, show premeditation. If it is true that a coach told them to do it, my guess he’ll stay quiet and let the players take the heat cause he is a chickenshit and knows that it would mean his job.

I’m a High School Football coach. From an insiders perspective here is probably what happened:

#1. These two kids have a borderline unhealthy fear of their coach. They are probably easily influenced. But made an incredibly dumb decision. They are responsible for their decision.

#2. Their coach totally told them to do it. The extreme rare case would be players doing this on their own. The fact that two of them did it on the same play- 100% guarantee they were “ordered” to do so.

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WhatEVs  Sep 18, 2015 • 7:19:49am

re: #138 HappyWarrior

Right, I am sorry but the double standards on Cuba annoy the hell out of me. There are much worse dictatorships that we have tolerated for longer. The sole problem with American right wingers have with Cuba is its economic system not its human rights violations.

The sole problem right wingers have with Cuba is that Obama lifted the embargo. Nothing else. Every gripe, bitch and moan they have comes from that.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 18, 2015 • 7:21:53am

re: #146 WhatEVs

The sole problem right wingers have with Cuba is that Obama lifted the embargo. Nothing else. Every gripe, bitch and moan they have comes from that.

True if Romney or McCain had done it, it would be being spun as a “Nixon goes to China” moment. Really if we can start relations with the Chinese after the Cultural Revolution then I am sorry but we can and will do business with Cuba.

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lawhawk  Sep 18, 2015 • 7:27:42am

Oh, now people are starting to notice that Carly’s business record is awful - almost as bad as Trump’s? Really?

In a just world, Carly wouldn’t be in this race, because she’s spectacularly unqualified in any respect. Never held an elected office. No business experience anyone would want to repeat - unless your measure of qualification is getting golden parachutes for being separated from your companies after you left them in worse shape than when you started.

For Lucent, it includes an accounting mess that destroyed the iconic Bell Labs (spun off as LU) and for HP, it included overseeing a disastrous merger with Compaq and attempting to buy PWC’s consulting business at a grossly overvalued level (the Board squashed that attempt - and good for them, since IBM later bought the consulting business for something like $12 billion less than what Carly valued it at). HP’s board saved the company’s very existence from Carly’s awful business acumen with that non-deal.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 18, 2015 • 7:28:20am
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blueraven  Sep 18, 2015 • 7:28:57am

re: #116 HappyWarrior

Been hearing good things about the new David Simon show about the 28 year old guy who got elected mayor of Yonkers. Definitely something I intend on checking out on my off time this weekend.

Show Me A Hero, a 6 part mini series, has already completed a first run on HBO. If it is still going, or if you can catch it “on demand”, I highly recommend it.

HBO Miniseries: Show Me a Hero – Trailer (HBO)

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lawhawk  Sep 18, 2015 • 7:29:10am

re: #147 HappyWarrior

We now do business with Russia, China, and even Vietnam. The US-Cuba policy is an anachronism of a world that no longer exists - the Cold War. If we managed to bury the hatchet with Vietnam, where 58,000 Americans lost their lives, then we can do it with Cuba.

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lawhawk  Sep 18, 2015 • 7:29:27am

re: #149 Backwoods_Sleuth

Reset the Clock!

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sizzzzlerz  Sep 18, 2015 • 7:30:57am

re: #145 Smith25’s Liberal Thighs

I’m a High School Football coach. From an insiders perspective here is probably what happened:

#1. These two kids have a borderline unhealthy fear of their coach. They are probably easily influenced. But made an incredibly dumb decision. They are responsible for their decision.

#2. Their coach totally told them to do it. The extreme rare case would be players doing this on their own. The fact that two of them did it on the same play- 100% guarantee they were “ordered” to do so.

No question on #1. They’re big boys, they did it, and they need to pay the big boy price.

And I totally agree a coach told them to do it. If he doesn’t step up and reveal himself and instead lets the player take the full rap, the kids need to man up and reveal his name. A guy like that shouldn’t be around kids.

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Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Sep 18, 2015 • 7:33:05am

re: #148 lawhawk

30k jobs offshored/lost, yet she got golden parachutes

Feature, not a bug, etc

/

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HappyWarrior  Sep 18, 2015 • 7:34:39am

re: #150 blueraven

Show Me A Hero, a 6 part mini series, has already completed a first run on HBO. If it is still going, or if you can catch it “on demand”, I highly recommend it.

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Oh miniseries. I like Oscar Issac. Inside Llweyn Davis was great. Not your typical Coen brothers fare but I loved the soundtrack.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 18, 2015 • 7:35:17am

re: #151 lawhawk

We now do business with Russia, China, and even Vietnam. The US-Cuba policy is an anachronism of a world that no longer exists - the Cold War. If we managed to bury the hatchet with Vietnam, where 58,000 Americans lost their lives, then we can do it with Cuba.

Exactly.

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blueraven  Sep 18, 2015 • 7:40:23am

re: #155 HappyWarrior

Oh miniseries. I like Oscar Issac. Inside Llweyn Davis was great. Not your typical Coen brothers fare but I loved the soundtrack.

He was amazing as Mayor Wasicsko. Warning: this thing will break your heart on many levels.

I was amazed to learn of the segregation and bigotry in NY in 1987!

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Smith25's Liberal Thighs  Sep 18, 2015 • 7:41:18am
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HappyWarrior  Sep 18, 2015 • 7:43:48am

re: #157 blueraven

He was amazing as Mayor Wasicsko. Warning: this thing will break your heart on many levels.

I was amazed to learn of the segregation and bigotry in NY in 1987!

That’s the year I was born. I remember watching the film Cry Freedom about Steve Biko and seeing that the Apartheid regime was still killing political prisoners up until the year I was born. I think that’s one of the reasons why I get so disgusted with those who bitch about the new Cuban policy but ignore that we had no problem with what South Africa did.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 18, 2015 • 7:44:20am

re: #158 Smith25’s Liberal Thighs

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Awesome.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 18, 2015 • 7:44:49am
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The Vicious Babushka  Sep 18, 2015 • 7:45:30am

In Wingnut Bizarro Land, it is not only CONFIRMED!! FACT!!1!!! that POTUS IS A MUSLEM!!!11!!!1!11! but that anyone who doesn’t believe this is “retarded”

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Higgs Boson's Mate  Sep 18, 2015 • 7:49:06am

re: #151 lawhawk

The Cuba embargo became an embarrassing souvenir that pols kept around for their own reasons. The old Cold Warriors kept it around to remind themselves that they were important and the rest needed Cuba to rail against. We aided both Japan and Germany in rebuilding after WWII. The Cuba embargo was an ugly mixture of petulance and cynicism. It was beneath us as a nation.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 18, 2015 • 7:49:42am

More adventures in prose

Fall came on us quick
The days of summer left us suddenly
Nights got colder and I confessed I felt a dread
as winter drew nearer

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lawhawk  Sep 18, 2015 • 7:51:41am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 18, 2015 • 7:53:02am
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The Vicious Babushka  Sep 18, 2015 • 7:53:08am
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Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Sep 18, 2015 • 7:53:17am

re: #162 The Vicious Babushka

Seriously, now. Is there really any sentient being in the world who is not convinced that Obama is a Muslim I am totally delusional? #tcot #ccot

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HappyWarrior  Sep 18, 2015 • 7:53:42am

re: #165 lawhawk

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They’re one and the same ideology.

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The Vicious Babushka  Sep 18, 2015 • 7:53:47am
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Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Sep 18, 2015 • 7:53:55am

re: #166 Backwoods_Sleuth

In 1988 Trump planted stories he’d meet Mikhail Gorbachev in NY. Then got fooled by an impersonator. There’s video. t.co

Great, now his approval will go up another couple of points.

/

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Bill and Opus for 2016!  Sep 18, 2015 • 7:54:10am

re: #135 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse

GULAGS!!!!!

We knows all abouts the GULAGS in Cuba from Fox News and Radio!!!!


About those Cuban gulags…

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HappyWarrior  Sep 18, 2015 • 7:55:15am

re: #170 The Vicious Babushka

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Tequillah!

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Eventual Carrion  Sep 18, 2015 • 7:55:15am

re: #135 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse

GULAGS!!!!!

We knows all abouts the GULAGS in Cuba from Fox News and Radio!!!!

Like that big one at Guantanamo?

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Belafon  Sep 18, 2015 • 7:56:04am

#162 The Vicious Babushka:

I suspect this guy thinks he’s a Christian.

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Jayleia  Sep 18, 2015 • 7:59:54am

re: #173 HappyWarrior

Tequila Se’lai!

I’ll drink to that too
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aagcobb  Sep 18, 2015 • 8:03:02am

re: #52 goddamnedfrank

‘Slaves built the US the way cows built McDonald’s’ — and other historical ‘facts’ from a Breitbart editor

Holy fuck. I knew Katie was complete and total racist trash, but damn, she has been epically upping her game over the last couple of days.

Unbelieveable, was her prior job with Stormfront? Interesting factoid I learned a few years back on vacation while on tour at a S.C. Plantation which produced rice back in the day. The slaves didn’t just provide brute labor; the reasons these Africans were brought to S.C. to cultivate rice was because they had the technical knowledge to do it because they had been rice farmers in Africa. The White plantation owners were just parasites stealing the fruits of the Africans labor and skill. So go fuck yourself, Katie; you are a racist ignoramus.

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Eventual Carrion  Sep 18, 2015 • 8:04:26am

re: #158 Smith25’s Liberal Thighs

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About a week after Jimmy was inaugurated I got a German police dog pup. I named her Rosie after Rosalynn. Rosie was a great dog, hitchhiked across country with me in ‘79. Most people picked me up to ask if I get many rides hitching with a dog :-)

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ObserverArt  Sep 18, 2015 • 8:04:47am

I see some are talking about the high school footballers that hit the ref. I wonder if there will be more and more of that type of on-field violence. I saw another video the other day of a player ripping an opposing lineman’s helmet off and then smacking the kid in the head with the helmet by swinging it from the mask. The kid that was hit got 10 stitches to close the cut on his head.

Are some of these kids picking up this behavior from some of the parents that we’ve all seen and heard about that run onto the field to attack a kid that hit their kid, or attack a coach that isn’t playing little Johnny enough or jump the ref that the parent thought made a bad call?

The behavior of crazy parents has gotten worse over the last 20 -30 years, the kids and everyone else may be thinking this is all normal.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 18, 2015 • 8:07:43am

re: #177 aagcobb

Unbelieveable, was her prior job with Stormfront? Interesting factoid I learned a few years back on vacation while on tour at a S.C. Plantation which produced rice back in the day. The slaves didn’t just provide brute labor; the reasons these Africans were brought to S.C. to cultivate rice was because they had the technical knowledge to do it because they had been rice farmers in Africa. The White plantation owners were just parasites stealing the fruits of the Africans labor and skill. So go fuck yourself, Katie; you are a racist ignoramus.

I had no idea about that. That does make a lot of sense though. Europeans wouldn’t have had any knowledge about cultivating rice but Africans would have.

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lawhawk  Sep 18, 2015 • 8:08:40am

re: #162 The Vicious Babushka

Back in April a bunch of right wing Islamophobe sites spewed that the President would be opening up a mosque in Maryland with Turkish leader Erdogan. From Google

Obama and Erdogan to open new mosque together in …
therightscoop . com/obama-and-erdogan-to-open-new-mosque-together-i…
Apr 20, 2015 - A couple of years ago it was reported that Turkey was helping fund the building of a $100 million dollar mega mosque in Lanham, Maryland.
Barack Hussein Obama will join Turkish president Recep …
shoebat . com > General
Walid Shoebat
Apr 21, 2015 - … Hussein Obama will join Turkish president Recep Erdogan at the opening of a new $100 million Turkish mega-mosquetrosity in Maryland.
Turkish American Community Center - Wikipedia
en.wikipedia.org
Wikipedia
FCCC Murat Mosque, Upper Pittsgrove, NJ; Turkish Islamic Cultural Center of … at the opening of a new $100 million Turkish mega-mosquetrosity in Maryland …
Obama and Erdogan to Open New Mosque Together in …
nation.foxnews . com/…/obama-and-erdogan-open-new-mosq…
Fox Nation
Apr 20, 2015 - A couple of years ago it was reported that Turkey was helping fund the building of a $100 million dollar mega mosque in Lanham, Maryland.
[Watch] Islam in America With New Mega Mosque In Maryland
truthuncensored . net/watch-islam-in-america-with-new-mega-mosque-in-…
Apr 22, 2015 - Turkey is building a $100 million dollar mega Mosque in Maryland that will span 15 acres in the town of Lanham. There are currently over 1,200 …
Obama accepts offer to open Turkish mega-mosque in …
creepingsharia . wordpress . com/…/obama-accepts-offer-to-open-tur…
Obama accepts offer to open Turkish mega-mosque in Maryland. Posted on April 21, 2015 by creeping. via Erdogan, Obama to open Turkish mosque in US: …

Needless to say, there’s no truth to the matter asserted.

There’s no evidence Obama will be at the opening, let alone that Erdogan will be there either.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 18, 2015 • 8:09:35am
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iossarian  Sep 18, 2015 • 8:10:20am

re: #182 Backwoods_Sleuth

Punk band name:

Kill Pumpkin Spice With Fire

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HappyWarrior  Sep 18, 2015 • 8:10:33am

Really if your first instinct regarding slavery is to call African-Americans who strongly support the Democratic party stupid because most Southern slave owners were Democrats, then you’re a terrible person. The response anyone should have when discussing American slavery is how fucked up it was and how even more fucked up it was that we had these great words about liberty and freedom and yet slavery prevailed in our country for over 75 years after the Constitution was ratified. Our contradictions are part of our history as a people and I don’t care if your ancestors didn’t own slaves or they had it tough as laborers or poor farmers. The fact is our agricultural economy was built on the back of slavery.

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The Vicious Babushka  Sep 18, 2015 • 8:11:02am

re: #177 aagcobb

Unbelieveable, was her prior job with Stormfront? Interesting factoid I learned a few years back on vacation while on tour at a S.C. Plantation which produced rice back in the day. The slaves didn’t just provide brute labor; the reasons these Africans were brought to S.C. to cultivate rice was because they had the technical knowledge to do it because they had been rice farmers in Africa. The White plantation owners were just parasites stealing the fruits of the Africans labor and skill. So go fuck yourself, Katie; you are a racist ignoramus.

Reading that garbage dump of Tweets I notice she singles out only one European nationality, no mentions of Spanish or French settlers.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 18, 2015 • 8:11:10am

re: #183 iossarian

Punk band name:

Kill Pumpkin Spice With Fire

I actually like pumpkin spice but the bar has good advice. Though I prefer whiskey.

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The Vicious Babushka  Sep 18, 2015 • 8:12:28am
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It's on his hat!  Sep 18, 2015 • 8:13:20am

re: #182 Backwoods_Sleuth

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I saw “It’s Back! Pumpkin Spice Oil Change” on a mechanic’s sign near work. I’ve been meaning to take a pic.

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danarchy  Sep 18, 2015 • 8:13:23am

re: #179 ObserverArt

I see some are talking about the high school footballers that hit the ref. I wonder if there will be more and more of that type of on-field violence. I saw another video the other day of a player ripping an opposing lineman’s helmet off and then smacking the kid in the head with the helmet by swinging it from the mask. The kid that was hit got 10 stitches to close the cut on his head.

Are some of these kids picking up this behavior from some of the parents that we’ve all seen and heard about that run onto the filed to attack a kid that hit their kid, or attack a coach that isn’t playing little Johnny enough or jump the ref that the parent thought made a bad call?

The behavior of crazy parents has gotten worse over the last 20 -30 years, the kids and everyone else may be thinking this is all normal.

I think this shit has always happened and with the proliferation of video cameras and viral video you just get made aware of it more. 20 Year ago the kid pulling the helmet off and smacking the other guy with it would have been a local story at best assuming it even got into a newspaper. there are something like 40000 high schools in america which means that on any given friday night in the fall there are some 15000 games happening(assuming not all schools have football teams). Crazy shit is bound to happen at some of them.

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Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Sep 18, 2015 • 8:13:37am

re: #181 lawhawk

Apr 21, 2015 - … Hussein Obama will join Turkish president Recep Erdogan at the opening of a new $100 million Turkish mega-mosquetrosity in Maryland.

Gosh, a mega-mosquetrosity. Whatever will we do?

Apparently super-size-mega Christian churches and colossal-sized cathedrals are OK, though.

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The Vicious Babushka  Sep 18, 2015 • 8:14:26am

I guess Harold doesn’t know about Chucky C

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HappyWarrior  Sep 18, 2015 • 8:14:43am

re: #187 The Vicious Babushka

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lawhawk  Sep 18, 2015 • 8:15:07am

re: #190 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse

Gosh, a mega-mosquetrosity. Whatever will we do?

Apparently super-size-mega Christian churches and colossal-sized cathedrals are OK, though.

Mega churches that don’t pay any taxes and fleece many of their adherents - all while hoping to impose a theocracy according to their own religious tenets that would make sharia compliance look downright quaint. But I digress.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 18, 2015 • 8:15:10am

re: #191 The Vicious Babushka

I guess Harold doesn’t know about Chucky C

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Yeah actually there’s a lot of them that do heh.

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iossarian  Sep 18, 2015 • 8:15:30am

re: #188 It’s on his hat!

I saw “It’s Back! Pumpkin Spice Oil Change” on a mechanic’s sign near work. I’ve been meaning to take a pic.

Pumpkin Spice Rectal Cancer Screenings Here!

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lawhawk  Sep 18, 2015 • 8:16:01am

re: #187 The Vicious Babushka

She still serves on a bunch of corporate boards, so there is that.

Why anyone would want her serving on their board, however, is still a mystery given the way she cratered HP and LU. Guess getting golden parachutes is her specialty.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 18, 2015 • 8:16:49am

Pumpkin spiced honeydew melon on pineapple pizza coming right up.

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It's on his hat!  Sep 18, 2015 • 8:18:28am

re: #197 HappyWarrior

Pumpkin spiced honeydew melon on pineapple pizza coming right up.

*horrkkkk*

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ObserverArt  Sep 18, 2015 • 8:19:08am

What does it say about America’s character when we have politicians that lie about things to blame other politicians about how what they are doing is destroying America’s character?

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iossarian  Sep 18, 2015 • 8:19:46am

re: #196 lawhawk

She still serves on a bunch of corporate boards, so there is that.

Why anyone would want her serving on their board, however, is still a mystery given the way she cratered HP and LU. Guess getting golden parachutes is her specialty.

I think CF is probably a reasonably good board member (in the sense of what corporations look for in board members). She presumably has a reasonably good grasp of business operations and does the right amount of poking at the CEO’s projections and assumptions.

If you’re numerate and know something about the industry, being a board member is in fact a very easy job the way it’s currently structured. It *should* be a lot harder but that isn’t the way the game is played.

As for her crap performance as CEO, all the evidence suggests that the CEO actually has very little influence on business performance.

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Lidane  Sep 18, 2015 • 8:20:27am

Focused on the important issues:

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The Vicious Babushka  Sep 18, 2015 • 8:20:51am

re: #200 iossarian

I think CF is probably a reasonably good board member (in the sense of what corporations look for in board members). She presumably has a reasonably good grasp of business operations and does the right amount of poking at the CEO’s projections and assumptions.

If you’re numerate and know something about the industry, being a board member is in fact a very easy job the way it’s currently structured. It *should* be a lot harder but that isn’t the way the game is played.

Assumes facts not in evidence.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 18, 2015 • 8:22:56am

re: #201 Lidane

Focused on the important issues:

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Funny Bobby since once upon a time, the father and grandfather of the last Republican president were supporters of PP and even on its board.

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iossarian  Sep 18, 2015 • 8:23:36am

re: #202 The Vicious Babushka

Assumes facts not in evidence.

I think the counter-claim that she’s not numerate and knows little to nothing about the industry she’s worked in is a bit implausible.

Look, I would never vote for Carly Fiorina for any position of responsibility, and if she were the boss of my organization I would be annoyed, but I don’t think she’s particularly better or worse than most other CEOs. How people get selected to corporate leadership positions and compensated thereafter is one of the many things that is deeply wrong with contemporary capitalism.

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The Vicious Babushka  Sep 18, 2015 • 8:25:56am

re: #204 iossarian

I think the counter-claim that she’s not numerate and knows little to nothing about the industry she’s worked in is a bit implausible.

Look, I would never vote for Carly Fiorina for any position of responsibility, and if she were the boss of my organization I would be annoyed, but I don’t think she’s particularly better or worse than most other CEOs. How people get selected to corporate leadership positions and compensated thereafter is one of the many things that is deeply wrong with contemporary capitalism.

She does not possess an engineering degree or any tech skills.

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Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Sep 18, 2015 • 8:26:52am

re: #201 Lidane

If Senate Republicans cannot defund Planned Parenthood right now, there is no point in calling them Republicans. t.co
— Gov. Bobby Jindal

Can we hold you to that, Governor?

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iossarian  Sep 18, 2015 • 8:27:21am

re: #205 The Vicious Babushka

She does not possess an engineering degree or any tech skills.

Not going to argue about this since I think Carly Fiorina is ultimately a person doing harm to others via her bad, ungood political views.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 18, 2015 • 8:31:01am

I am honsetly tired of arrogant business people like Trump and Fiorina thinking that running a nation is like running a business.

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blueraven  Sep 18, 2015 • 8:31:02am

File under WTF?

State Rep. Cindy Gamrat, R-Plainwell, was expelled from office last week, and today she filed with the Allegan County Clerk that she intends to run in the special election to fill that seat.

Gamrat, who was caught up in a sex and cover-up scandal along with state Rep. Todd Courser, R-Lapeer, was expelled from her seat shortly after 4 a.m. Friday. Courser resigned at 3:12 a.m. Friday.

“What weighed really heavy on me this whole time, was I felt it was really important for my voters to have a voice in this. I continue to have to fight for them,” she said in an interview with the Free Press.

Todd Courser just announced on CNN that he will also be running again for his old seat.

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iossarian  Sep 18, 2015 • 8:31:15am

re: #205 The Vicious Babushka

She does not possess an engineering degree or any tech skills.

BTW - I do agree that a CEO in a tech-related business should indeed be in possession of this type of skill background, or an alternatively-acquired similar set of skills. That’s part of what I meant about the way CEOs get selected being bad, since many of them do not, in fact, have that background.

In fact, I think that nowadays, most leaders in any organization should have this type of background, since the alternative, as we see, is a bunch of Liberal Arts majors (grumble grumble) spouting off about whether things can be moved to the cloud and/or data-mined for game-changing insights.

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danarchy  Sep 18, 2015 • 8:36:02am

re: #210 iossarian

BTW - I do agree that a CEO in a tech-related business should indeed be in possession of this type of skill background, or an alternatively-acquired similar set of skills. That’s part of what I meant about the way CEOs get selected being bad, since many of them do not, in fact, have that background.

In fact, I think that nowadays, most leaders in any organization should have this type of background, since the alternative, as we see, is a bunch of Liberal Arts majors (grumble grumble) spouting off about whether things can be moved to the cloud and/or data-mined for game-changing insights.

On the other hand, Steve Jobs was a college drop out, and didn’t code or engineer. Sometimes what you need is vision and the right people around you.

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iossarian  Sep 18, 2015 • 8:37:36am

re: #211 danarchy

On the other hand, Steve Jobs was a college drop out, and didn’t code or engineer. Sometimes what you need is vision and the right people around you.

It’s my personal opinion but I think Steve Jobs is a really bad example of what makes a good CEO, as are several other people who essentially lucked out with a killer product in the right place at the right time.

The vast majority of businesses do not succeed that way. Because of the worship of people like Steve Jobs, though, they try. With bad consequences.

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The Vicious Babushka  Sep 18, 2015 • 8:38:37am

re: #211 danarchy

On the other hand, Steve Jobs was a college drop out, and didn’t code or engineer. Sometimes what you need is vision and the right people around you.

“The right people” meaning those who do possess a technical education.

BTW dropouts like Jobs & Gates creating multibillion dollar companies are so rare it’s worthless to hold them up as poster heroes for dropping out of school.

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iossarian  Sep 18, 2015 • 8:39:24am

re: #212 iossarian

It’s my personal opinion but I think Steve Jobs is a really bad example of what makes a good CEO, as are several other people who essentially lucked out with a killer product in the right place at the right time.

The vast majority of businesses do not succeed that way. Because of the worship of people like Steve Jobs, though, they try. With bad consequences.

BTW, this is not to say that Jobs didn’t have vision, drive, leadership qualities (albeit polarizing ones) and so on. It’s just that if you took Steve Jobs and plugged him in at any number of other companies, he would probably have very little positive effect on their performance. Even if he were still alive.

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Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Sep 18, 2015 • 8:39:43am

re: #209 blueraven

“What weighed really heavy on me this whole time, was I felt it was really important for my voters to have a voice in this. I continue to have to fight for them,” she said in an interview with the Free Press.

offs

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Higgs Boson's Mate  Sep 18, 2015 • 8:40:33am

re: #209 blueraven

Well of course Gamrat and Courser will be running for their old seats. They’ll each pick out a preacher, get sprayed with forgiveness, take a couple of weeks’ vacation in rehab and they’ll be better than new: they’ll be FORGIVENELEVENTY.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 18, 2015 • 8:41:07am

re: #216 Higgs Boson’s Mate

Well of course Gamrat and Courser will be running for their old seats. They’ll each pick out a preacher, get sprayed with forgiveness, take a couple of weeks’ vacation in rehab and they’ll be better than new: they’ll be FORGIVENELEVENTY.

Senator Diaper (R) agrees.

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It's on his hat!  Sep 18, 2015 • 8:41:20am

re: #211 danarchy

On the other hand, Steve Jobs was a college drop out, and didn’t code or engineer. Sometimes what you need is vision and the right people around you.

One of my co-workers has no college experience whatsoever, and he’s the best sysadmin I’ve ever worked with. The best QA engineer I work with has a degree in psychology, not computer science. It’s certainly possible that Carly is “self-taught” in the same manner on tech stuff, at least well enough to be CEO and board member.

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WhatEVs  Sep 18, 2015 • 8:41:29am

re: #212 iossarian

It’s my personal opinion but I think Steve Jobs is a really bad example of what makes a good CEO, as are several other people who essentially lucked out with a killer product in the right place at the right time.

The vast majority of businesses do not succeed that way. Because of the worship of people like Steve Jobs, though, they try. With bad consequences.

Isn’t trying, even if failing, worth something? I am not talking about CF because she failed and wound up fucking a lot of people up. But let’s take Jobs…ok, he succeeded spectacularly, but what if he tried and failed? Someone having a dream of doing something to try to realize it, whether they succeed or not, could wind up being the biggest “What If I Had Tried” moment that haunts them the rest of their lives.

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The Vicious Babushka  Sep 18, 2015 • 8:41:29am

Dear wingnuts: Pope Francis is an Argentinian who is currently the head of the Catholic Church. He is neither “pro” or “anti” American.

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gwangung  Sep 18, 2015 • 8:41:48am

re: #212 iossarian

It’s my personal opinion but I think Steve Jobs is a really bad example of what makes a good CEO, as are several other people who essentially lucked out with a killer product in the right place at the right time.

The vast majority of businesses do not succeed that way. Because of the worship of people like Steve Jobs, though, they try. With bad consequences.

SO lucky he did it at least two times and probably three times.

I think Jobs is an exception, but it’s more of a question of his getting his technical people in line with what the customer wants, as opposed to the usual schtick of trying to convince the customer to like what your product can do.

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WhatEVs  Sep 18, 2015 • 8:43:18am

re: #216 Higgs Boson’s Mate

Well of course Gamrat and Courser will be running for their old seats. They’ll each pick out a preacher, get sprayed with forgiveness, take a couple of weeks’ vacation in rehab and they’ll be better than new: they’ll be FORGIVENELEVENTY.

And if their opponents have any skills at all, they will plaster ads about trustworthiness; if their own spouses couldn’t trust them, why should YOU? They have no investment in YOU - if they did that to their spouses, what are they going to do to YOU?

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The Vicious Babushka  Sep 18, 2015 • 8:43:30am

re: #218 It’s on his hat!

It’s certainly possible that Carly is “self-taught” in the same manner on tech stuff, at least well enough to be CEO and board member.

It is highly doubtful she cared enough about tech stuff to do it for fun in her spare time, her goal was to game herself into the boardroom, like the window washer in “How To Succeed In Business Without Really Trying”

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goddamnedfrank  Sep 18, 2015 • 8:44:50am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 18, 2015 • 8:45:58am

Gosar (Wingnut-AZ)

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It's on his hat!  Sep 18, 2015 • 8:46:20am

re: #223 The Vicious Babushka

It is highly doubtful she cared enough about tech stuff to do it for fun in her spare time, her goal was to game herself into the boardroom, like the window washer in “How To Succeed In Business Without Really Trying”

I said possible, not likely. I have the same disdain for Carly’s tech business acumen as you do.

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WhatEVs  Sep 18, 2015 • 8:46:35am

re: #223 The Vicious Babushka

It is highly doubtful she cared enough about tech stuff to do it for fun in her spare time, her goal was to game herself into the boardroom, like the window washer in “How To Succeed In Business Without Really Trying”

Fiorina is the poster child of rising from the bottom - and why it isn’t a good idea. If she is what happens when you promote “secretaries” (as she likes to tell everyone) to eventually make CEO, how often will that happen again? Her entire being could fuck up other women (and men) who are truly qualified to rise to the top.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 18, 2015 • 8:47:34am

re: #225 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Gosar (Wingnut-AZ)

Classy. If a Catholic Democrat ever boycotted a Pope over choice, the right would be calling them anti-Catholic and bigoted.

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Higgs Boson's Mate  Sep 18, 2015 • 8:47:46am

re: #222 WhatEVs

And if their opponents have any skills at all, they will plaster ads about trustworthiness; if their own spouses couldn’t trust them, why should YOU? They have no investment in YOU - if they did that to their spouses, what are they going to do to YOU?

Maybe. They can parry with, “Jesus has forgiven me, my spouse has forgiven me and that’s all that counts (Looks piously heavenward).”

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The Vicious Babushka  Sep 18, 2015 • 8:47:52am

re: #227 WhatEVs

Fiorina is the poster child of rising from the bottom - and why it isn’t a good idea. If she is what happens when you promote “secretaries” (as she likes to tell everyone) to eventually make CEO, how often will that happen again? Her entire being could fuck up other women (and men) who are truly qualified to rise to the top.

Mary Barra actually did work her way up the chain, while also acquiring an engineering degree and the required tech skills for the industry she leads.

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lawhawk  Sep 18, 2015 • 8:48:46am

re: #220 The Vicious Babushka

According to the right wing so-cons, he’s anti-American. They point to his actions in reconciliation between the US and Cuba (the Vatican was instrumental in backchannel talks leading to normalization of relations). They also point to the Pope’s criticism of the shortcomings with capitalism as being anti-American.

Never mind the reality - this is the bubble in which they reside.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 18, 2015 • 8:51:15am

Well the Republican dicks here are at it again. Blocking the nomination of a well qualified judicial pick by Governor McAUliffe simply to get at him. Hell Judge Roush was even recommended by a Republican delegate.

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goddamnedfrank  Sep 18, 2015 • 8:51:34am

re: #208 HappyWarrior

I am honsetly tired of arrogant business people like Trump and Fiorina thinking that running a nation is like running a business.

And if it were they wouldn’t be talking retarded bullshit about reducing revenues. The entire fucking goal of running a business is to increase revenue.

Fiorina: ‘I Want to Talk About Revenue Reducing Tax Reform Because the Gov’t Has Too Much Revenue’

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Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Sep 18, 2015 • 8:51:45am

re: #220 The Vicious Babushka

Is Pope Francis Anti-American?

“Hi we’re just asking questions here!”

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The Vicious Babushka  Sep 18, 2015 • 8:51:51am

Steve Crowder being a shitferret, as usual==>

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iossarian  Sep 18, 2015 • 8:52:29am

re: #219 WhatEVs

Isn’t trying, even if failing, worth something? I am not talking about CF because she failed and wound up fucking a lot of people up. But let’s take Jobs…ok, he succeeded spectacularly, but what if he tried and failed? Someone having a dream of doing something to try to realize it, whether they succeed or not, could wind up being the biggest “What If I Had Tried” moment that haunts them the rest of their lives.

But that’s the problem, really. If you “do a Steve Jobs*”, waltz in to some established company, shake things up, fire a bunch of people and replace them with young hip go-getters…

Then you might make a bunch of money for the shareholders (but the people you fired are still fired) or you might crater the place and leave with a fat check and some board memberships. Either way you win - in some cases some people lose (the fired workers) while in other cases lots of people lose (the fired workers, the shareholders, people forced to endure your shitty products if you have an entrenched monopoly etc.).

The idealized Steve Jobs approach might be more appropriate in a differently-conceived version of capitalism with alternative funding models, career security and so on. Currently I think it only works plausibly in start-ups.

* This is not necessarily what actual Steve Jobs did, more an exaggerated version of what people do if they’re trying to be like Steve Jobs.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 18, 2015 • 8:53:01am

re: #231 lawhawk

According to the right wing so-cons, he’s anti-American. They point to his actions in reconciliation between the US and Cuba (the Vatican was instrumental in backchannel talks leading to normalization of relations). They also point to the Pope’s criticism of the shortcomings with capitalism as being anti-American.

Never mind the reality - this is the bubble in which they reside.

I think the real reason why many of them despise him is quite simple, he’s not a cultural warrior and he thinks that poverty and climate change are a bigger problem than SSM and abortion. Other peoples also criticized capitalism. Francis is no different from John Paul and Benedict in doing that but FRancis isn’t a cultural warrior and they hate that.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 18, 2015 • 8:53:55am

re: #235 The Vicious Babushka

Steve Crowder being a shitferret, as usual==>

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Classy Steve, do you talk to your mommy like that?

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HappyWarrior  Sep 18, 2015 • 8:54:08am

re: #233 goddamnedfrank

And if it were they wouldn’t be talking retarded bullshit about reducing revenues. The entire fucking goal of running a business is to increase revenue.

A great point.

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iossarian  Sep 18, 2015 • 8:58:14am

re: #221 gwangung

SO lucky he did it at least two times and probably three times.

I think Jobs is an exception, but it’s more of a question of his getting his technical people in line with what the customer wants, as opposed to the usual schtick of trying to convince the customer to like what your product can do.

It’s possible to be lucky more than once. There’s an article in the New Yorker this week, on the other hand, about genius CEOs who come back for a second act and fail. Maybe Jobs was just the ten-coin-flips-in-a-row guy.

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WhatEVs  Sep 18, 2015 • 8:59:07am

re: #236 iossarian

But that’s the problem, really. If you “do a Steve Jobs*”, waltz in to some established company, shake things up, fire a bunch of people and replace them with young hip go-getters…

Then you might make a bunch of money for the shareholders (but the people you fired are still fired) or you might crater the place and leave with a fat check and some board memberships. Either way you win - in some cases some people lose (the fired workers) while in other cases lots of people lose (the fired workers, the shareholders, people forced to endure your shitty products if you have an entrenched monopoly etc.).

The idealized Steve Jobs approach might be more appropriate in a differently-conceived version of capitalism with alternative funding models, career security and so on. Currently I think it only works plausibly in start-ups.

* This is not necessarily what actual Steve Jobs did, more an exaggerated version of what people do if they’re trying to be like Steve Jobs.

I was talking about starting a business…not taking one over and fucking it up. To my knowledge, Jobs didn’t screw up a company that existed. That’s the regret and following your passion to do what Jobs did.

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Mattand  Sep 18, 2015 • 8:59:23am

re: #212 iossarian

It’s my personal opinion but I think Steve Jobs is a really bad example of what makes a good CEO, as are several other people who essentially lucked out with a killer product in the right place at the right time.

The vast majority of businesses do not succeed that way. Because of the worship of people like Steve Jobs, though, they try. With bad consequences.

One of the hardest things about dealing with fellow Apple fans is the constant excuse making for Jobs’ straight-out viciousness and lack of humanity. Jon Gruber of Daring Fireball is a great example. Really smart insightful writer, but sometimes you wonder if he defend his family as hard as he defends Apple.

On the one hand, I get that it doesn’t make the products any worse or better. It just bugs me that intelligent people get all cultish about the guy and go “Well, you can’t change the world without treating people like pieces of shit.”

Maybe you can’t. Maybe I’m being naive. I just have a hard time listening to stories about former Apple employees who worked with him and simultaneously talk about how it was such a wonderful job, while almost laughing about the mental abuse he’d dump on them.

It sounds like a textbook abusive relationship.

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wrenchwench  Sep 18, 2015 • 9:00:19am
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iossarian  Sep 18, 2015 • 9:01:41am

re: #241 WhatEVs

I was talking about starting a business…not taking one over and fucking it up. To my knowledge, Jobs didn’t screw up a company that existed. That’s the regret and following your passion to do what Jobs did.

Right - definitely having visionary/driven people starting businesses is a good thing. That’s actually the truth behind the “job creator” shite the right wing comes up with. The problem is that they apply it to the likes of CF who is in fact the opposite - someone who screws things up because they just apply a bunch of business school bromides haphazardly to real-life problems.

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The Vicious Babushka  Sep 18, 2015 • 9:01:48am

HURR HURR BUT HILLARY INVENTED TEH BIRFERS!!!1!!!11!!

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The Vicious Babushka  Sep 18, 2015 • 9:02:52am

re: #244 iossarian

Right - definitely having visionary/driven people starting businesses is a good thing. That’s actually the truth behind the “job creator” shite the right wing comes up with. The problem is that they apply it to the likes of CF who is in fact the opposite - someone who screws things up because they just apply a bunch of business school bromides haphazardly to real-life problems.

Somebody who treats employees like shit or last year’s shoes should not be held up as an icon of a great business leader.

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gwangung  Sep 18, 2015 • 9:03:11am

re: #240 iossarian

It’s possible to be lucky more than once. There’s an article in the New Yorker this week, on the other hand, about genius CEOs who come back for a second act and fail. Maybe Jobs was just the ten-coin-flips-in-a-row guy.

I actually don’t think he’s lucky (and, of course, he’s had failures). But I do think that people don’t quite get the reasons he was successful and they only emulate the more obvious traits, which I think has little to do with why he succeeded.

(And, I don’t disagree he was an ass.)

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It's on his hat!  Sep 18, 2015 • 9:05:11am

re: #245 The Vicious Babushka

HURR HURR BUT HILLARY INVENTED TEH BIRFERS!!!1!!!11!!

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She knows it was started as a rumor, and has no basis in reality. Yet, she has no problems with those in her own party who use it as a cudgel to attack the President, his administration, and Democrats as a whole. Instead of calling them out, she just engages in this hypocritical gotcha bullshit, as though the source of the hoax matters more than actual reality.

Typical.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 18, 2015 • 9:06:12am

re: #248 It’s on his hat!

She knows it was started as a rumor, and has no basis in reality. Yet, she has no problems with those in her own party who use it as a cudgel to attack the President, his administration, and Democrats as a whole. Instead of calling them out, she just engages in this hypocritical gotcha bullshit, as though the source of the hoax matters more than actual reality.

Typical.

Exactly. She’s pathetic.

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The Vicious Babushka  Sep 18, 2015 • 9:06:39am

re: #248 It’s on his hat!

She knows it was started as a rumor, and has no basis in reality. Yet, she has no problems with those in her own party who use it as a cudgel to attack the President, his administration, and Democrats as a whole. Instead of calling them out, she just engages in this hypocritical gotcha bullshit, as though the source of the hoax matters more than actual reality.

Typical.

As if this excuses the bigots who picked up that ball and ran with it.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 18, 2015 • 9:07:37am

re: #250 The Vicious Babushka

As if this excuses the bigots who picked up that ball and ran with it.

Bigots in her party. They like to play this game with the Willie Horton ad but Gore criticized the program itself and didn’t use a racially charged ad like Alles did to scare voters.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 18, 2015 • 9:08:49am

And by the way Trump had a birther/Obama is a Muslim type in NH yesterday who Trump went along with. She can site Berg all she wants but only one party has candidates that still continue to have birthers dominate the discussion in their party and it ain’t Hillary’s party.

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iossarian  Sep 18, 2015 • 9:08:57am

re: #247 gwangung

I actually don’t think he’s lucky (and, of course, he’s had failures). But I do think that people don’t quite get the reasons he was successful and they only emulate the more obvious traits, which I think has little to do with why he succeeded.

(And, I don’t disagree he was an ass.)

Well, you can probably break down his success into several factors. A non-exhaustive list:

1) obsession with design/product coherence (probably a good thing but see below)
2) human nature leading to fanboyism among certain people over later Apple products and resulting willingness to pay a premium (is human nature and thus not really good or bad, maybe just inevitable - also to a certain extent just luck on Jobs’s part)
3) straightforward luck/right place/right time with particular product
4) being so obsessed in point 1) that he was a dick to people; drove them really hard and cut them out when no longer deemed useful (definitely a bad thing but probably contributed to Apple’s success)

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The Vicious Babushka  Sep 18, 2015 • 9:10:05am

re: #252 HappyWarrior

And by the way Trump had a birther/Obama is a Muslim type in NH yesterday who Trump went along with. She can site Berg all she wants but only one party has candidates that still continue to have birthers dominate the discussion in their party and it ain’t Hillary’s party.

Saying HURR HURR HILLARY INVENTED TEH BIRTHER MEME is admitting that Republicans are too stupid to come up with it on their own.

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iossarian  Sep 18, 2015 • 9:10:20am

See also: Elon Musk

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HappyWarrior  Sep 18, 2015 • 9:11:45am

re: #254 The Vicious Babushka

Saying HURR HURR HILLARY INVENTED TEH BIRTHER MEME is admitting that Republicans are too stupid to come up with it on their own.

It’s also saying that Republicans will go along with whatever bigoted bullshit they want. Anyhow, I got a lot of complaints about how Hillary ran her 2008 campaign but I don’t hold her responsible for the birther nonsense. I hold McCain-Palin responsible even though McCain to his credit did tell that one crazy woman off.

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The Vicious Babushka  Sep 18, 2015 • 9:11:52am

HURR HURR WE SHOULD TAX ALL TEH UNSUCCESSFUL POORS & MOTIVATE THEM TO GET JERBS & PULL THEMSELFS UP BY THERE BOOT STRAPS!!!!!

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HappyWarrior  Sep 18, 2015 • 9:14:00am

re: #257 The Vicious Babushka

HURR HURR WE SHOULD TAX ALL TEH UNSUCCESSFUL POORS & MOTIVATE THEM TO GET JERBS & PULL THEMSELFS UP BY THERE BOOT STRAPS!!!!!

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Free shit? Oh you mean like the tax cuts the Republicans give their wealthy donors because that’s free shit. Actually supporting a government that invests in its people though? That’s not free shit, that’s expecting a government to be a government rather than a charity for wealthy Republican donors.

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#CampaignZero  Sep 18, 2015 • 9:15:37am

re: #243 wrenchwench

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Just a little stepping stone.

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The Vicious Babushka  Sep 18, 2015 • 9:15:46am

re: #258 HappyWarrior

Free shit? Oh you mean like the tax cuts the Republicans give their wealthy donors because that’s free shit. Actually supporting a government that invests in its people though? That’s not free shit, that’s expecting a government to be a government rather than a charity for wealthy Republican donors.

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ObserverArt  Sep 18, 2015 • 9:15:56am

re: #209 blueraven

File under WTF?

Todd Courser just announced on CNN that he will also be running again for his old seat.

No shame in those folks. Fine upstanding people they are!

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Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Sep 18, 2015 • 9:16:31am

re: #235 The Vicious Babushka

Dear Feminists: we kept you out of the draft, gave you the right to vote and invented birth control and tampons. Shut up.
— Steven Crowder

Please proceed, RWNJ

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wrenchwench  Sep 18, 2015 • 9:16:57am

Phoenix officials will consider disciplining a police officer who shot a mentally ill woman.

The Arizona Republic reports police were serving a mental health pickup in August 2014 when they say 50-year-old Michelle Cusseaux confronted officers with a hammer over her head. Sgt. Percy Dupra fatally shot her.

An internal Phoenix Police Department panel has found the shooting did not fall within policy. The Use of Force Board will send its findings to the Disciplinary Review Board, which will recommend suspension, demotion or termination.

[…]

I’m glad to hear that shooting the patient on a mental health pick up is outside of policy.

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Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Sep 18, 2015 • 9:17:01am

re: #261 ObserverArt

No shame in those folks. Fine upstanding people they are!

Because they must be the voice for their voters!

/

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The Vicious Babushka  Sep 18, 2015 • 9:17:04am

HURR HURR I AM SO MUCH TEH POOR I CANTS EVEN BUY A NEW CAR BUT ALL THESE WELFARE MOOCHERS GETS OBAMAPHONES!!!!!!

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HappyWarrior  Sep 18, 2015 • 9:17:07am

re: #260 The Vicious Babushka

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Precisely. But you never see conservatives bitch about this way the way they do things that make education, health care, etc a tad bit easier to pay for.

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iossarian  Sep 18, 2015 • 9:18:29am

re: #265 The Vicious Babushka

Money/property is a social construct. A complicated and non-intuitive fact to be sure but an important one to remember.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 18, 2015 • 9:19:02am

No, it’s not greedy for you to spend your money. It is greedy of you to think that if you’re a millionaire you should have to pay the same or less in taxes of someone who makes a fraction of you. As for me spending your money. Welcome to Government 101 Bucko where we use taxes to spend for things. I don’t like that my taxdollars pay for the salaries of dingus wingnuts who hate the government but run for office anyhow. You don’t see me cmoplaining about the very idea of taxation because of that though.

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The Vicious Babushka  Sep 18, 2015 • 9:19:24am

STUPIDEST MEME OF THE DAY==>
The losers of the Civil War fled to Canada, Brazil & UK

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iossarian  Sep 18, 2015 • 9:20:48am

re: #269 The Vicious Babushka

The US is 99% populated by the descendants of people who left their “own” countries.

So basically Darryl thinks his great-grandpa was a shitbag who refused to “man up”.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 18, 2015 • 9:22:01am

re: #269 The Vicious Babushka

STUPIDEST MEME OF THE DAY==>
The losers of the Civil War fled to Canada, Brazil & UK

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Mexico too actually. Quite a few former CSA officers ended up being officers in Emperor Maximililan’s military. And lol what a bunch of self righteous bullshit this stupid tweet is. White refugees fled famine and war in Europe for centuries.

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It's on his hat!  Sep 18, 2015 • 9:22:12am

re: #257 The Vicious Babushka

HURR HURR WE SHOULD TAX ALL TEH UNSUCCESSFUL POORS & MOTIVATE THEM TO GET JERBS & PULL THEMSELFS UP BY THERE BOOT STRAPS!!!!!

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This is Twitter, Steven. You can swear for real, if you want to.

(Bowdlerization bugs the fuck out of me.)

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The Vicious Babushka  Sep 18, 2015 • 9:22:19am

Oh wow Steve Crowder WINS STUPIDEST MAN ON THE INTERNET with this Tweet==>

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ObserverArt  Sep 18, 2015 • 9:23:09am

re: #225 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Gosar (Wingnut-AZ)

Haters gotta hate, even if it goes against their own beliefs.

Well, that is if they even have a clue as to what those beliefs entail.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 18, 2015 • 9:23:09am

re: #270 iossarian

The US is 99% populated by the descendants of people who left their “own” countries.

So basically Darryl thinks his great-grandpa was a shitbag who refused to “man up”.

He should have just taken the famine like a man and gotten a gun! (Assuming Darryl’s Irish). But really such a stupid post. We’re all descendants of people who fled something whether that was religious oppression, famine, war, etc. Their problem with the Syrians and Mexicans is their skin color and in the case of the Syrians their religion.

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It's on his hat!  Sep 18, 2015 • 9:23:15am

re: #269 The Vicious Babushka

STUPIDEST MEME OF THE DAY==>
The losers of the Civil War fled to Canada, Brazil & UK

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If the Redcoats or the Confederacy had had barrel bombs and chemical weapons, history might have been a tad different.

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The Vicious Babushka  Sep 18, 2015 • 9:24:06am

So #SJW “Professional Protestors” must be making minimum wage because they’re all on welfare, seems they should be protesting for more pay, amirite?

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HappyWarrior  Sep 18, 2015 • 9:24:34am

re: #273 The Vicious Babushka

Oh wow Steve Crowder WINS STUPIDEST MAN ON THE INTERNET with this Tweet==>

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Uh yeah that’s kind of representative government works there Stevie, one man, one vote. We don’t live in an oligarchy where being wealthy means you have more political power. Maybe you should look at moving to Putin’s Russia where your views on that subject would be more mainstream.

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The Vicious Babushka  Sep 18, 2015 • 9:25:19am

Steve tries to walk it back==>

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It's on his hat!  Sep 18, 2015 • 9:25:26am

re: #277 The Vicious Babushka

So #SJW “Professional Protestors” must be making minimum wage because they’re all on welfare, seems they should be protesting for more pay, amirite?

“Professional protestor” is the new “welfare queen” — a meme that has no basis in reality.

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The Vicious Babushka  Sep 18, 2015 • 9:26:27am

Or, as normal people would call it, “Math”

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allegro  Sep 18, 2015 • 9:27:12am

re: #279 The Vicious Babushka

Steve tries to walk it back==>

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He’s got that wrong too. When parasites kill the host they die too.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 18, 2015 • 9:27:14am

lol the guy who supports a party that thinks you can do nothing but tax cuts and spend tons on defnse thinks he understands economics. That’s precious.

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ObserverArt  Sep 18, 2015 • 9:27:32am

re: #235 The Vicious Babushka

Steve Crowder being a shitferret, as usual==>

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I bet I can guess a couple places the reasonable women of this world would like to stuff some of those tampons Steve.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 18, 2015 • 9:29:38am

re: #282 allegro

He’s got that wrong too. When parasites kill the host they die too.

Right and here’s the thing. IF anything the ultra wealthy are more like parasites. They need us a lot more than they need them. Carnagie doesn’t become a multi-millionaire without people to use him. It is n capitalism and society’s best interests to treat labor like human beings. What people like Steve I think ultimately want is a neo-feudal society where we have to be grateful to our wealthy overlords. Now I will agree that we need entrepreneurs but entrepreneurs need to realize that without labor, they are merely men with ideas. What is the iPhone without people to make it?

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#CampaignZero  Sep 18, 2015 • 9:30:25am

Trump is cancelling appearance in SC, because he has a yooooge business deal to handle.

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WhatEVs  Sep 18, 2015 • 9:31:01am

re: #242 Mattand

On the one hand, I get that it doesn’t make the products any worse or better. It just bugs me that intelligent people get all cultish about the guy and go “Well, you can’t change the world without treating people like pieces of shit.”

Maybe you can’t. Maybe I’m being naive. I just have a hard time listening to stories about former Apple employees who worked with him and simultaneously talk about how it was such a wonderful job, while almost laughing about the mental abuse he’d dump on them.

It sounds like a textbook abusive relationship.

If it’s naivete, that’s a boat I want to be in with you.

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The Vicious Babushka  Sep 18, 2015 • 9:31:34am

re: #285 HappyWarrior

Right and here’s the thing. IF anything the ultra wealthy are more like parasites. They need us a lot more than they need them. Carnagie doesn’t become a multi-millionaire without people to use him. It is n capitalism and society’s best interests to treat labor like human beings. What people like Steve I think ultimately want is a neo-feudal society where we have to be grateful to our wealthy overlords. Now I will agree that we need entrepreneurs but entrepreneurs need to realize that without labor, they are merely men with ideas. What is the iPhone without people to make it?

You picked a bad example. Chinese workers who assemble iPhones are treated like utter shit.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 18, 2015 • 9:33:09am

re: #288 The Vicious Babushka

You picked a bad example. Chinese workers who assemble iPhones are treated like utter shit.

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No, yo misunderstand me, I am saying that without the labor to make the iPhone, Steve Jobs is just another failed guy with an idea. I do agree though that the people who make the iPads in China are paid awfully but my larger point here is without labor, the businessman is nothing.

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Skip Intro  Sep 18, 2015 • 9:33:35am

re: #286 #CampaignZero

Trump is cancelling appearance in SC, because he has a yooooge business deal to handle.

He’s got the racist vote locked up, so he can pretty much just skip the old Confederacy from now on.

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bratwurst  Sep 18, 2015 • 9:35:14am
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wrenchwench  Sep 18, 2015 • 9:35:17am

re: #284 ObserverArt

I bet I can guess a couple places the reasonable women of this world would like to stuff some of those tampons Steve.

The used ones. He can inspect them for babby parts.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 18, 2015 • 9:35:24am

If Sanders ideas are such an utter failure, that explains why Scandinavia has tons of economic problems. I will concede that those nations are much smaller than ours but Bernie’s ideas have worked far more places than the right wing model.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 18, 2015 • 9:35:46am

re: #291 bratwurst

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Everybody’d drunk.

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The Vicious Babushka  Sep 18, 2015 • 9:35:50am

re: #289 HappyWarrior

No, yo misunderstand me, I am saying that without the labor to make the iPhone, Steve Jobs is just another failed guy with an idea. I do agree though that the people who make the iPads in China are paid awfully but my larger point here is without labor, the businessman is nothing.

HURR HURR HERE IS YOU’RE REPLACEMENT U UNSKILLED BURGER FLIPPER!!!!!!
(Never mind this does not prepare actual food)

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Eric The Fruit Bat  Sep 18, 2015 • 9:37:45am

re: #289 HappyWarrior

True-but where’s the right balance? That’s where David Harvey was talking about…

RSA Animate - Crises of Capitalism

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Skip Intro  Sep 18, 2015 • 9:38:41am

Well, it’s been a while.

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The Vicious Babushka  Sep 18, 2015 • 9:38:59am

More 1% cluelessness==>

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wrenchwench  Sep 18, 2015 • 9:39:26am

NSFMousies.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 18, 2015 • 9:39:37am

re: #296 Eric The Fruit Bat

True-but where’s the right balance? That’s what David Harvey was talking about….

A good question and yeah Apple wasn’t the best example considering how they pay their employees. My larger point is that these people who think that we need to hail the job creators ignore that the job creators need people (labor) to realize the reality of their idea.

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WhatEVs  Sep 18, 2015 • 9:41:37am

re: #279 The Vicious Babushka

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Dave In Austin  Sep 18, 2015 • 9:41:49am

Painting by Numbers!!
paintwithdonaldtrump.com

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WhatEVs  Sep 18, 2015 • 9:43:00am

re: #286 #CampaignZero

Trump is cancelling appearance in SC, because he has a yooooge business deal to handle.

People on tv were saying last night that the guy who asked him about getting rid of Muslims gave Trump a wake up call to what he’s creating. Perhaps he was right. One hopes.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 18, 2015 • 9:43:01am

re: #301 WhatEVs

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Yes he made that quite clear. I mean in some ways I appreciate that he’s honest enough to admit his oligarchical ideology but I wish he and his fellow conservatives who believe this would stop telling us they support democracy and elected government because they don’t.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 18, 2015 • 9:43:46am

re: #303 WhatEVs

People on tv were saying last night that the guy who asked him about getting rid of Muslims gave Trump a wake up call to what he’s creating. Perhaps he was right. One hopes.

I really hope so. but I don’t know if Trump has that amount of self-awareness.

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wrenchwench  Sep 18, 2015 • 9:45:15am

re: #305 HappyWarrior

I really hope so. but I don’t know if Trump has that amount of self-awareness.

He would have to wake up to what he IS, not just what he’s creating.

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#CampaignZero  Sep 18, 2015 • 9:45:36am

re: #302 Dave In Austin

Painting by Numbers!!
paintwithdonaldtrump.com

aaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

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Iwouldprefernotto  Sep 18, 2015 • 9:45:36am

re: #235 The Vicious Babushka

Steve Crowder being a shitferret, as usual==>

Dear Feminists: we kept you out of the draft, gave you the right to vote and invented birth control and tampons. Shut up.]

First thought. What an ass.
Second Thought: If I made such stupid/hateful statements would I really want to be verified?
Third Thought: Does he ever get laid?

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HappyWarrior  Sep 18, 2015 • 9:45:48am

re: #306 wrenchwench

He would have to wake up to what he IS, not just what he’s creating.

Precisely.

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Teukka  Sep 18, 2015 • 9:45:57am

Off-topic but…
DEVELOPING STORY: We have reports that temperatures in hell are dropping.

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WhatEVs  Sep 18, 2015 • 9:46:52am

So I have the Maze Runner on in the background and it seems to be a mashup of The Hunger Games and Divergent.

Do they only make redundant movies these days?

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WhatEVs  Sep 18, 2015 • 9:47:18am

re: #308 Iwouldprefernotto

Third Thought: Does he ever get laid?

I would say no, and that’s why he is who he is.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 18, 2015 • 9:49:31am

The Donald hasn’t tweeted or retweeted anything in 21 hours.

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Skip Intro  Sep 18, 2015 • 9:49:48am
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The Vicious Babushka  Sep 18, 2015 • 9:50:10am

re: #311 WhatEVs

So I have the Maze Runner on in the background and it seems to be a mashup of The Hunger Games and Divergent.

Do they only make redundant movies these days?

BECAUSE THOSE MOVIES ARE TEH MONEYS!!!!!!

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WhatEVs  Sep 18, 2015 • 9:51:42am

re: #313 Backwoods_Sleuth

The Donald hasn’t tweeted or retweeted anything in 21 hours.

And he apparently cut short questions last night and took off in a hurry. Very unDonald like.

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Varek Raith  Sep 18, 2015 • 9:53:01am

re: #311 WhatEVs

So I have the Maze Runner on in the background and it seems to be a mashup of The Hunger Games and Divergent.

Do they only make redundant movies these days?

Battle Royale.

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goddamnedfrank  Sep 18, 2015 • 9:53:08am
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lawhawk  Sep 18, 2015 • 9:53:25am

re: #311 WhatEVs

So I have the Maze Runner on in the background and it seems to be a mashup of The Hunger Games and Divergent.

Do they only make redundant movies these days?

Well, all three are based on books that came out at around the same time. Dystopian futures, lead characters that are forced into combat/violent situations by elites, and then have to devise ways to outsmart those in charge.

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Mike Lamb  Sep 18, 2015 • 9:53:27am

re: #279 The Vicious Babushka

Steve tries to walk it back==>

[Embedded content]

Right, because each vote counting the same means that both people have the same political influence.

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The Vicious Babushka  Sep 18, 2015 • 9:53:44am

re: #316 WhatEVs

And he apparently cut short questions last night and took off in a hurry. Very unDonald like.

HE HAS TO CLOSE A YOOGE DEAL!!!!!!

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The Vicious Babushka  Sep 18, 2015 • 9:55:17am

re: #319 lawhawk

Well, all three are based on books that came out at around the same time. Dystopian futures, lead characters that are forced into combat/violent situations by elites, and then have to devise ways to outsmart those in charge.

I watched Mockingjay last week, and the whole time I could not stop thinking Natalie whatshername shaved half her freaking head but why is Jennifer Lawrence wearing such a lame wig?

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Iwouldprefernotto  Sep 18, 2015 • 9:55:31am
Dr. Ben Carson
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Is it time to give up Facebook?

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WhatEVs  Sep 18, 2015 • 9:56:42am

re: #317 Varek Raith

Battle Royale.

Yup. Never heard of that one. Thank you.

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blueraven  Sep 18, 2015 • 9:57:24am

re: #310 Teukka

Off-topic but…
DEVELOPING STORY: We have reports that temperatures in hell are dropping.

of course…

So far, at least 10 House Republicans have signed on to the resolution acknowledging that human activity contributes to climate change, and calling for actions to respond to the threat of climate change.

The res­ol­u­tion was drafted by Chris Gibson, a former US army colonel and congressman from New York who is not seeking re-election.

The resolution, calling for “conservative environment stewardship” was endorsed by representatives Ileana Ros-Le­htin­en and Car­los Cur­belo of Flor­ida, Robert Dold of Illinois, Dave Reich­ert of Wash­ing­ton, Pat Mee­han, Ry­an Cos­tello, and Mike Fitzpatrick of Pennsylvania, and Richard Hanna and Elise Stefanik of New York, according to the National Journal.

But, hey! It’s a start. I’ll take it.

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WhatEVs  Sep 18, 2015 • 10:00:49am

Could someone explain what this is supposed to mean?

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lawhawk  Sep 18, 2015 • 10:01:15am

Speaker Boehner’s tweet stream is such a cacophany of derp that it’s impossible to escape just how idiotic he sounds sometimes.

The facts show that the GOP doesn’t care about anything once it leaves the womb. That a fetus has more rights than the mother carrying it. The mother is simply a vessel without rights.

And somehow defunding PP helps women, because they lose access to one of the key sources of health care nationally - regardless of reproductive health or birth control (for which they are an important part). Millions of women lose (as do their spouses/loved ones, etc.) if PP gets defunded.

That’s what the GOP is after here - and the videos are meant to facilitate this - their veracity/agitprop status (and it’s definitely agitprop BS) is quite besides the point.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Sep 18, 2015 • 10:01:55am

re: #325 blueraven

They will be tarred, feathered, and kicked out of the party.

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The Vicious Babushka  Sep 18, 2015 • 10:02:22am

He is so fucking stupid. Hand over your cardboard crown Dim Jim.

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ObserverArt  Sep 18, 2015 • 10:03:16am

re: #286 #CampaignZero

Trump is cancelling appearance in SC, because he has a yooooge business deal to handle.

re: #313 Backwoods_Sleuth

The Donald hasn’t tweeted or retweeted anything in 21 hours.

Hmm. I sense The Donald™ may have figured out he might have taken his bluster too far last night and is sheepishly hiding with his advisers to figure out a way past his poor handling of last night.

After the debate and then last night, The Donald™ may be questioning “things” a bit. Maybe a bit of a crack in that greatest man ever armor. Hopefully the polls in the next week or so start to show his numbers dipping. Then the real fun starts.

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lawhawk  Sep 18, 2015 • 10:03:43am

On cue. The GOP effort will be vetoed by the President. As anyone with a pulse would expect.

Because this is all so much BS pushed by the so-con right wing GOP.

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blueraven  Sep 18, 2015 • 10:04:07am

Damn!

Today, EPA is issuing a notice of violation (NOV) of the Clean Air Act (CAA) to Volkswagen AG, Audi AG, and Volkswagen Group of America, Inc. (collectively referred to as Volkswagen). The NOV alleges that four-cylinder Volkswagen and Audi diesel cars from model years 2009-2015 include software that circumvents EPA emissions standards for certain air pollutants. California is separately issuing an In-Use Compliance letter to Volkswagen, and EPA and the California Air Resources Board (CARB) have both initiated investigations based on Volkswagen’s alleged actions.

“Using a defeat device in cars to evade clean air standards is illegal and a threat to public health,” said Cynthia Giles, Assistant Administrator for the Office of Enforcement and Compliance Assurance. “Working closely with the California Air Resources Board, EPA is committed to making sure that all automakers play by the same rules. EPA will continue to investigate these very serious matters.”

[…]

As described in the NOV, a sophisticated software algorithm on certain Volkswagen vehicles detects when the car is undergoing official emissions testing, and turns full emissions controls on only during the test. The effectiveness of these vehicles’ pollution emissions control devices is greatly reduced during all normal driving situations. This results in cars that meet emissions standards in the laboratory or testing station, but during normal operation, emit nitrogen oxides, or NOx, at up to 40 times the standard. The software produced by Volkswagen is a “defeat device,” as defined by the Clean Air Act.

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The Vicious Babushka  Sep 18, 2015 • 10:04:52am

The fucker is counting Social Security as part of “entitlement” spending.

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lawhawk  Sep 18, 2015 • 10:05:49am

re: #329 The Vicious Babushka

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allegro  Sep 18, 2015 • 10:06:32am

re: #330 ObserverArt

Hmm. I sense The DonaldTM may have figured out he might have taken his bluster too far last night and is sheepishly hiding with his advisers to figure out a way past his poor handling of last night.

After the debate and then last night, The DonaldTM may be questioning “things” a bit. Maybe a bit of a crack in that greatest man ever armor. Hopefully the polls in the next week or so start to show his numbers dipping. Then the real fun starts.

I think he will continue as he has, because it’s working, until actual votes come in and get counted. The GOP primaries will be verrrrrrry interesting this election year.

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wrenchwench  Sep 18, 2015 • 10:06:35am
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lawhawk  Sep 18, 2015 • 10:07:22am

re: #332 blueraven

That constitutes criminality and they shouldn’t just be forced to do a recall. There should be criminal charges and massive fines. In the billions of dollars.

What’s surprising is that no one managed to identify this until now.

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The Vicious Babushka  Sep 18, 2015 • 10:08:23am

Of course the shitferret is getting his graphs from Heritage.

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blueraven  Sep 18, 2015 • 10:08:39am

re: #337 lawhawk

That constitutes criminality and they shouldn’t just be forced to do a recall. There should be criminal charges and massive fines. In the billions of dollars.

What’s surprising is that no one managed to identify this until now.

I think “somebody” should be going to jail.

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allegro  Sep 18, 2015 • 10:09:23am

re: #333 The Vicious Babushka

The fucker is counting Social Security as part of “entitlement” spending.

At what point did entitlement = welfare? The two are not the same.

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Kragar  Sep 18, 2015 • 10:09:43am

re: #329 The Vicious Babushka

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wrenchwench  Sep 18, 2015 • 10:10:23am

re: #339 blueraven

I think “somebody” should be going to jail.

I’d be OK with hitting their PERSONAL assets instead of just the corporate ones.

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iossarian  Sep 18, 2015 • 10:10:43am

The idea that one is entitled to a secure retirement because one “paid into it via taxes” is pernicious. It implies that an equivalent solution would be to allow people to receive that portion of their income and save independently for retirement.

The actual point of programs like social security is that each person is entitled to a certain standard of living (in the case of SS, at a certain point in their lives).

People like Crowder, by the way, believe in all kinds of implicit entitlements. They are entitled to live in safety and not be assaulted by armed gangs. They are entitled to work in large, complex organizations that depend on national-level infrastructure. They are entitled to purchase goods that pass various standards controls and not be duped by dishonest salespeople.

The only entitlements they don’t like are the ones enjoyed by people other than them and their immediate acquaintances.

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Smith25's Liberal Thighs  Sep 18, 2015 • 10:10:49am

re: #340 allegro

At what point did entitlement = welfare? The two are not the same.

Don’t know for sure, but I’d imagine that the terms “Strapping Young Buck” and “Welfare Queen” are connected somehow.

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lawhawk  Sep 18, 2015 • 10:11:36am
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The Vicious Babushka  Sep 18, 2015 • 10:13:36am

Like bankers efficiently managed the 401K’s, Stevie?

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allegro  Sep 18, 2015 • 10:13:39am

re: #341 Kragar

[Embedded content]

But they are entitlements as in we paid money into them, as we do insurance, and are therefore entitled to receive the benefits we paid for. The right has bastardized the word to equate to welfare which it is not

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Eventual Carrion  Sep 18, 2015 • 10:14:18am

re: #336 wrenchwench

[Embedded content]

No regulation and oversight needed, big companies will do what is right.

//

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goddamnedfrank  Sep 18, 2015 • 10:14:19am
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iossarian  Sep 18, 2015 • 10:14:24am

re: #346 The Vicious Babushka

Like bankers efficiently managed the 401K’s, Stevie?

[Embedded content]

This guy actually wants Jamie Dimon to take his retirement fund and spend it on hookers and blow.

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Kragar  Sep 18, 2015 • 10:14:27am

re: #346 The Vicious Babushka

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wrenchwench  Sep 18, 2015 • 10:14:32am
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Interesting Times  Sep 18, 2015 • 10:15:59am

re: #347 allegro

But they are entitlements as in we paid money into them, as we do insurance, and are therefore entitled to receive the benefits we paid for. The right has bastardized the word to equate to welfare which it is not

A great reason to do away with the word “entitlement” and use the much more accurate term earned benefits instead.

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goddamnedfrank  Sep 18, 2015 • 10:17:43am
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The Vicious Babushka  Sep 18, 2015 • 10:17:48am

Shorter Stevie: FUCK YOU OLDS

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iossarian  Sep 18, 2015 • 10:17:50am

re: #347 allegro

But they are entitlements as in we paid money into them, as we do insurance, and are therefore entitled to receive the benefits we paid for. The right has bastardized the word to equate to welfare which it is not

I actually disagree with this, per my comment above. I do agree that this is how the US government has been forced to sell income security programs to its population, due to the unfortunately non-social outlook that prevails among people here.

We all depend on the goodwill of others at some point in our lives. Drawing a distinction between “welfare” and “entitlements” is part of the right’s toolkit to undermine the legitimacy of both.

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The Vicious Babushka  Sep 18, 2015 • 10:19:07am

His parents were so stupid, paying all that money feeding him & keeping him alive for so many years.

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aagcobb  Sep 18, 2015 • 10:19:16am

re: #331 lawhawk

[Embedded content]

On cue. The GOP effort will be vetoed by the President. As anyone with a pulse would expect.

Because this is all so much BS pushed by the so-con right wing GOP.

He won’t have to veto it because it will be filibustered in the Senate.

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allegro  Sep 18, 2015 • 10:19:36am

re: #355 The Vicious Babushka

Shorter Stevie: FUCK YOU OLDS

[Embedded content]

And people my age created the internet and computer so you can spend your days in an endless whine and hate fest.

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The Vicious Babushka  Sep 18, 2015 • 10:20:39am

Social Security, how does it fucking work? Interest rates are involved. Math is hard.

361
ChuckJager95  Sep 18, 2015 • 10:20:40am

May Andrew Breitbart’s coke-addled soul never be forgiven for giving “journalists” like this a forum.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 18, 2015 • 10:20:40am

Guy seems like a real intellectual giant.

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The Vicious Babushka  Sep 18, 2015 • 10:21:40am

BUT WAIT THEIR IS MOAR STUPIDS==>

364
allegro  Sep 18, 2015 • 10:22:36am

re: #356 iossarian

I actually disagree with this, per my comment above. I do agree that this is how the US government has been forced to sell income security programs to its population, due to the unfortunately non-social outlook that prevails among people here.

We all depend on the goodwill of others at some point in our lives. Drawing a distinction between “welfare” and “entitlements” is part of the right’s toolkit to undermine the legitimacy of both.

But the right is not drawing a distinction between the terms - they are eliminating that distinction. I do agree on their end goal.

365
lawhawk  Sep 18, 2015 • 10:23:20am

re: #360 The Vicious Babushka

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aagcobb  Sep 18, 2015 • 10:23:39am

re: #361 ChuckJager95

May Andrew Breitbart’s coke-addled soul never be forgiven for giving “journalists” like this a forum.

[Embedded content]

Is there really any significant difference between Breitbart and Stormfront now?

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#CampaignZero  Sep 18, 2015 • 10:23:44am

Tbogg drops boom

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iossarian  Sep 18, 2015 • 10:24:44am

re: #362 HappyWarrior

Guy seems like a real intellectual giant.

Even if he’s selfish enough to really want to keep every cent of his away from the undeserving moochers, it’s hubristic in the extreme to believe that you can actually plan with any confidence for retirement, or that an unaccountable private financial company is going to be around and willing in 30 years time to make good on the claims they make today.

369
#CampaignZero  Sep 18, 2015 • 10:25:02am

Bristol’s ghostwriter went after POTUS & Ahmed on her “blog”

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Kragar  Sep 18, 2015 • 10:25:32am
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Belafon  Sep 18, 2015 • 10:30:34am

Someone needs to tell Crowder to resign because this Texan is tired of paying his salary.

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The Vicious Babushka  Sep 18, 2015 • 10:31:27am

re: #371 Belafon

Someone needs to tell Crowder to resign because this Texan is tired of paying his salary.

Who pays for his lame podcast?

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iossarian  Sep 18, 2015 • 10:31:33am

re: #364 allegro

But the right is not drawing a distinction between the terms - they are eliminating that distinction. I do agree on their end goal.

That’s a good point. It’s a bit of an odd situation where the right wing is perhaps making a claim that is sort of true: social security is quite similar to other income security programs that we call “welfare”. To them, that’s a bad thing: they want to make retirement income a private, get-only-what-you-pay-in system. I guess what I’m saying is that they want to draw a distinction between those welfare-ish programs (for people unable to support themselves) and the other kind of private system (for those who can get paid enough), which would in fact make both less secure.

The distinction is real but the resulting policy is bad. Or at least, I think that’s what I’m trying to say. It’s after 12pm on Friday though so you never know.

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Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Sep 18, 2015 • 10:31:40am

re: #360 The Vicious Babushka

Get exactly what you paid in and not a cent more. Then let me keep mine. K thanks. t.co
— Steven Crowder

Steven shouldn’t tweet about things he doesn’t understand.

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The Vicious Babushka  Sep 18, 2015 • 10:32:32am

re: #374 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse

Steven shouldn’t tweet about things he doesn’t understand.

Then he would have to delete his account.

376
HappyWarrior  Sep 18, 2015 • 10:35:05am

re: #369 #CampaignZero

Bristol’s ghostwriter went after POTUS & Ahmed on her “blog”

What the hell, really?

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Franklin  Sep 18, 2015 • 10:35:52am
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Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Sep 18, 2015 • 10:35:55am

re: #355 The Vicious Babushka

The only problem is that people my age are paying for people your age, and we won’t see a dime. t.co
— Steven Crowder

Is Dim Jim, I mean Steven Crowder, burping about Social Security and how he “won’t see a dime”?

The “I won’t see a dime” business is bottom-of-the-derp kind of stuff. It’s been paying benefits for almost 80 years, and for everyone one of those years, some yokel like Steven has been predicting that he and his friends would never “see a dime.”

OK, Steven, I guess that means you better get out and do some real work then, huh?

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Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Sep 18, 2015 • 10:37:27am

re: #369 #CampaignZero

Bristol’s ghostwriter went after POTUS & Ahmed on her “blog”

Some people are just really their own worst enemies.

380
The Vicious Babushka  Sep 18, 2015 • 10:37:28am

re: #378 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse

Is Dim Jim, I mean Steven Crowder, burping about Social Security and how he “won’t see a dime”?

The “I won’t see a dime” business is bottom-of-the-derp kind of stuff. It’s been paying benefits for almost 80 years, and for everyone one of those years, some yokel like Steven has been predicting that he and his friends would never “see a dime.”

OK, Steven, I guess that means you better get out and do some real work then, huh?

It’s true that people who have never worked for a paycheck won’t see a dime.

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Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Sep 18, 2015 • 10:38:11am

re: #380 The Vicious Babushka

It’s true that people who have never worked for a paycheck won’t see a dime.

That’s true, sorry I misspoke about those like Steven.

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The Vicious Babushka  Sep 18, 2015 • 10:39:37am

re: #377 Franklin

[Embedded content]

“Paint with Donald’s head as a penis”

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Franklin  Sep 18, 2015 • 10:40:23am

re: #370 Kragar

[Embedded content]

There is only one true dog

T-DOG
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Belafon  Sep 18, 2015 • 10:40:50am

#372 The Vicious Babushka:

My bad. I’m getting the asshole congresscritters mixed up with the asshole radio people.

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Shiplord Kirel  Sep 18, 2015 • 10:43:57am

I’ve started to consider putting the Conspiracy Compound on the market and getting the hell out of Texas.
The Irving clock incident wasn’t really the last straw, of course, but it’s significant because something like this happens EVERY FUCKING DAY IN THIS NUTHOUSE! The City of Irving itself is involved in a legal fight to keep a mosque from being built. Our governor thinks Labor Day is a day to celebrate union-bashing. Our school boards are run by superstitious quacks. I could go on and on. Texas will eventually turn blue but I am too damn old to wait on it, and there is no telling how far the downward spiral of lethal right wing redneck bullshit will go in the meantime.
If I take a summary of LGF “Crazy Texas” stories to Vermont, will they admit me as a refugee?

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ObserverArt  Sep 18, 2015 • 10:44:10am

Damn. Crowder is determined to prove to all his Twitters followers and anyone standing in the area of his tweets that he is indeed proud to display how much a twit he really is.

That boy isn’t right.

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ObserverArt  Sep 18, 2015 • 10:51:06am

re: #385 Shiplord Kirel

I’ve started to consider putting the Conspiracy Compound on the market and getting the hell out of Texas.
The Irving clock incident wasn’t really the last straw, of course, but it’s significant because something like this happens EVERY FUCKING DAY IN THIS NUTHOUSE! The City of Irving itself is involved in a legal fight to keep a mosque from being built. Our governor thinks Labor Day is a day to celebrate union-bashing. Our school boards are run by superstitious quacks. I could go on and on. Texas will eventually turn blue but I am too damn old to wait on it, and there is no telling how far the downward spiral of lethal right wing redneck bullshit will go in the meantime.
If I take a summary of LGF “Crazy Texas” stories to Vermont, will they admit me as a refugee?

Vermont, eh? That would be quite a change.

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Decatur Deb  Sep 18, 2015 • 11:04:26am

re: #385 Shiplord Kirel

I’ve started to consider putting the Conspiracy Compound on the market and getting the hell out of Texas.
The Irving clock incident wasn’t really the last straw, of course, but it’s significant because something like this happens EVERY FUCKING DAY IN THIS NUTHOUSE! The City of Irving itself is involved in a legal fight to keep a mosque from being built. Our governor thinks Labor Day is a day to celebrate union-bashing. Our school boards are run by superstitious quacks. I could go on and on. Texas will eventually turn blue but I am too damn old to wait on it, and there is no telling how far the downward spiral of lethal right wing redneck bullshit will go in the meantime.
If I take a summary of LGF “Crazy Texas” stories to Vermont, will they admit me as a refugee?

Y’all come on down, he’ah?

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Eventual Carrion  Sep 18, 2015 • 11:05:02am

re: #363 The Vicious Babushka

BUT WAIT THEIR IS MOAR STUPIDS==>

[Embedded content]

Were the children we SHOCKED and AWED in Iraq hearts beating and their feet kicking when we bombed the fuck out of them?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 18, 2015 • 11:23:30am

re: #380 The Vicious Babushka

It’s true that people who have never worked for a paycheck won’t see a dime.

Well, to be accurate, self-employed people who paid the full freight in self-employment taxes will get their SS benefits.


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