Ted Cruz Is Suddenly in Favor of Separation of Church and State?

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OK. It makes me really uneasy when Ted Cruz says something that isn’t crazy. What kind of diabolical game is he playing?

Cruz: Excluding Muslims From Presidency Is Unconstitutional.

“You know, the Constitution specifies there shall be no religious test for public office and I am a constitutionalist,” the Texas senator said during the taping of “Iowa Press” at Iowa Public Television.

Cruz was about Ben Carson’s televised statement that Islam is inconsistent with the U.S. Constitution. “I would not advocate that we put a Muslim in charge of this nation. I absolutely would not agree with that,” Carson said on NBC’s “Meet the Press.”

So he’s all right with a Muslim being president, huh? Don’t worry, though; he hasn’t given up on anti-Muslim bigotry entirely.

One area in which Cruz did not mind excluding Muslims, however, was from the ranks of refugees from Syria seeking asylum in the United States. He said they should settle in other Middle Eastern countries, citing concerns that some of the purported refugees may actually be terrorists.

“I think the Christians are a very different circumstance because Christians are being persecuted, they are being persecuted directly for their faith and the Obama administration has abandoned Middle East Christians,” Cruz said.

I wonder how Cruz squares his newfound support for the separation of church and state with what he told the American Family Association just last month?

“Nothing is more important in the next 18 months than that the body of Christ rise up and that Christians stand up, that pastors stand up and lead,” Cruz proclaimed. “In this last election, 54 million evangelical Christians stayed home … If we can simply bring Christians to the polls — is it any wonder we have the government we have, we have the leaders we have if believers stay home and leave electing our leaders to unbelievers. We get exactly what we deserve and nothing is more important that having people of faith stand up and just vote our values, vote biblical values and that’s how we turn the country around.”

Because that sounds an awful lot like a “religious test for public office.”

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186 comments
1
bratwurst  Sep 20, 2015 • 6:14:32pm

It’s crazy to me that this is a field of candidates in which this fucking asshole is not the most odious.

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Dark_Falcon  Sep 20, 2015 • 6:14:50pm

It’s possible that what Cruz is trying to say is that faith should inform citizens when they cast their votes, but that the Constitution nevertheless does not permit a religious test for office.

From that perspective its OK if voters refuse to vote for a candidate based on that candidate’s religion, but that same person cannot be excluded from running for that office.

There’s some problems in the way Cruz is likely to handle such a view, but it would represent one way to square his statements.

I still don’t support his campaign, to be clear.

BBIAB

3
Reality Based Steve  Sep 20, 2015 • 6:16:10pm

Been watching this all develop over on FreeRepugnant, (it’s ok, I was planning on taking a shower before I went to bed). I’m a bit confused by what I read over there….

Strongly Held and Expressed Opinion 1: Muslims are not to be trusted because they want religious law to override the Constitution, and their first loyalty is to their religion, not the country.

Strongly Held and Expressed Opinion 2: Kim Davis is a hero and a true American, because she refused to follow the secular law, and held true to her religious beliefs, putting Gods Law above Mans Law.

With that much cognitive dissonance buzzing in their heads, how do they get anything done?

RBS

4
Brian J.  Sep 20, 2015 • 6:21:10pm

The odor I detect is tauro-scatological.

5
makeitstop  Sep 20, 2015 • 6:28:33pm

Seen on Facebook: the post said their jackets were closed until the shot was taken. Poor Jeb.

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The War TARDIS  Sep 20, 2015 • 6:30:28pm

I am interroating my Republican friend in DC to see her thoughts.

While I do like her as friend, and care about her, on Politics, I am very harsh with her.

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jaunte  Sep 20, 2015 • 6:30:45pm

re: #5 makeitstop

Not sure how proud they should be for sneaking up on a bush.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Sep 20, 2015 • 6:30:46pm

I know it’s been discussed here before, but did we ever decide where this 54 million figure comes from? Is that just every eligible voter who didn’t vote in the last election? And he assumes they’re all “Evangelical Christians”?

That worked one time—the surge that turned out for the first SSM scare in 2004. They’re a permanent part of your electorate, Ted—they don’t stay there as the base and yet somehow materialize afresh at each election.

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palomino  Sep 20, 2015 • 6:30:59pm

re: #2 Dark_Falcon

It’s possible that what Cruz is trying to say is that faith should inform citizens when they cast their votes, but that the Constitution nevertheless does not permit a religious test for office.

From that perspective its OK if voters refuse to vote for a candidate based on that candidate’s religion, but that same person cannot be excluded from running for that office.

There’s some problems in the way Cruz is likely to handle such a view, but it would represent one way to square his statements.

I still don’t support his campaign, to be clear.

BBIAB

Yes, spoken like a true Republican bigot.

Why don’t you give us some examples of “legitimate refusal” to vote for a candidate due to his/her religion? Please, I’d love to hear your ideas on how voting/not voting for a candidate based on religion is “OK” and not anathema to what we allegedly stand for as a nation.

Was it OK to vote Nixon in 1960 because you disliked Catholics?

I breathlessly await a weak fumbling (football!) response. Or none at all.

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gocart mozart  Sep 20, 2015 • 6:39:50pm
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palomino  Sep 20, 2015 • 6:41:43pm

On this note, can anyone tell me where Robert Reich’s friend is off target in his description of the modern Republican Party?

I got a call this morning from an old college friend who’s been a lifelong Republican (for years we’ve kidded one another about our respective politics), who told me he had decided to leave the GOP.
“It’s become the Party of hatemongers and know-nothings,” he said. “I’m embarrassed to be one of them.”
I asked him what had tipped him over the edge.
“Everything,” he said. “Their harangues against undocumented immigrants and promises to round them up and build a wall along the southern border. Their willingness to accept charges Obama is a Muslim and not born in America; that vaccines cause autism; that global warming is a hoax.”
“Yeah,” I said. “Pretty awful.”
“But that’s not all,” he said, becoming agitated. “It’s also their knee-jerk warmongering substituting for foreign policy. Their intolerance of a woman’s right to choose, and of gays’ and lesbians’ right to marry. Their willful suppression of black votes. Their racism!”
It was as if I’d opened a sluice gate. He went on, almost shouting: “Their incessant pandering to their wealthy funders by wanting even more tax cuts for the rich and big corporations, and then lying that the benefits will “trickle-down.” Their attacks on teachers. Cuts in school budgets. Eagerness to cut school lunches for poor kids…”
“Whoa,” I stopped him. “I get it. But these aren’t all new. Why did you stay a Republican all these years?”
He was silent for a moment. “Because I admired Mark Hatfield and Nelson Rockefeller and Jacob Javits,” he said. “I supported Barry Goldwater and John McCain. They reflected my values. I kept thinking my Republican Party would come back. But now I know it’s dead. The Party is now a sinkhole of ignorance and bigotry.”

Link

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PhillyPretzel  Sep 20, 2015 • 6:44:11pm

I just had the oddest thing happen. I have this weblog listed as a favorite on my MacBook. When I hit it I get to this site without typing the whole name. I just hit it and it did not work. I also tried it on my iPhone and it too did not work. I tried it the old way and now it works. I went back to check my links and now they work. Was that some sort of glitch in the system?

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Blind Frog Belly White  Sep 20, 2015 • 6:44:49pm

re: #9 palomino

I would not vote for any of the Evangelicals currently running for President, at least in part because their ‘faith’ requires them to deny objective fact in favor of their fairy story.

Is that okay? Because if that’s okay, then not voting for or against anyone else based on their faith must be okay, too. It can’t be okay when you agree, but not okay when it’s your ox getting gored.

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Charles Johnson  Sep 20, 2015 • 6:47:02pm

re: #11 palomino

On this note, can anyone tell me where Robert Reich’s friend is off target in his description of the modern Republican Party?

Link

That sounds like me, six years ago.

littlegreenfootballs.com

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Sep 20, 2015 • 6:47:08pm

re: #12 PhillyPretzel

I just had the oddest thing happen. I have this weblog listed as a favorite on my MacBook. When I hit it I get to this site without typing the whole name. I just hit it and it did not work. I also tried it on my iPhone and it too did not work. I tried it the old way and now it works. I went back to check my links and now they work. Was that some sort of glitch in the system?

There was a glitch. It was just dead for about 15 minutes. I blamed Firefox and restarted it a couple times, but I think it was the site.

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Great White Snark  Sep 20, 2015 • 6:47:17pm

Classic. can’t have it your way try to have it both ways. Dark ya gotta see through this.

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Charles Johnson  Sep 20, 2015 • 6:47:39pm

Except I never admired Barry Goldwater.

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Reality Based Steve  Sep 20, 2015 • 6:47:39pm

re: #12 PhillyPretzel

I just had the oddest thing happen. I have this weblog listed as a favorite on my MacBook. When I hit it I get to this site without typing the whole name. I just hit it and it did not work. I also tried it on my iPhone and it too did not work. I tried it the old way and now it works. I went back to check my links and now they work. Was that some sort of glitch in the system?

The Matrix - Deja vu

The black cat ate the hamsters.

RBS

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Sep 20, 2015 • 6:50:28pm

re: #11 palomino

On this note, can anyone tell me where Robert Reich’s friend is off target in his description of the modern Republican Party?

Link

He was silent for a moment. “Because I admired Mark Hatfield and Nelson Rockefeller and Jacob Javits,” he said. “I supported Barry Goldwater and John McCain. They reflected my values. I kept thinking my Republican Party would come back. But now I know it’s dead. The Party is now a sinkhole of ignorance and bigotry.”

There’s still a great deal of cognitive dissonace there. Admiring Mark Hatfield and Nelson Rockefeller and Jacob Javits is fine, but then mentioning Barry Goldwater and John McCain in the same breath? Sorry, neither of them is worthy of any admiration.

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PhillyPretzel  Sep 20, 2015 • 6:51:07pm

re: #15 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

re: #18 Reality Based Steve

Okay. I was not the only one. I hope it remains fixed.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Sep 20, 2015 • 6:51:17pm

Let’s see if this works this time. Two hours ago, it didn’t.

Here are some pics from today’s ill-advised ride in the heat. I was so overheated when I got home that I had the Older Boy aim the big-ass fan at me, on high, for like 10 minutes while fetching me Cytomax with ice. Works great, BTW. Cooled me right down.

I won’t tell, yet, where these pics were taken. I’m curious if the Bay Areans among the Lizards can identify the spots:

Smooth as glass means no onshore flow = HOT!
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Kragar  Sep 20, 2015 • 6:53:02pm

“WE WILL NEVER ALLOW SHARIA LAW!!!”
“What about if we put a Jesus sticker on it?”
“SOLD!”

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Blind Frog Belly White  Sep 20, 2015 • 6:54:18pm

That as 8 miles in. This was at the halfway point.

Your mother was a hamster, and your father smelt of elderberries!
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teleskiguy  Sep 20, 2015 • 6:54:59pm

re: #22 Kragar

“WE WILL NEVER ALLOW SHARIA LAW!!!”
“What about if we put a Jesus sticker on it?”
“SOLD!”

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palomino  Sep 20, 2015 • 6:55:09pm

re: #13 Blind Frog Belly White

I would not vote for any of the Evangelicals currently running for President, at least in part because their ‘faith’ requires them to deny objective fact in favor of their fairy story.

Is that okay? Because if that’s okay, then not voting for or against anyone else based on their faith must be okay, too. It can’t be okay when you agree, but not okay when it’s your ox getting gored.

But your refusal to vote for them isn’t based on their religion per se. It’s based on their theocratic, far right wing policies. And their faith doesn’t really tell them to ignore reality…it’s the unholy alliance between their faith and theocrats on the right who have done so.

Jimmy Carter is an evangelical Christian, but I doubt you’d have a problem voting for him, since he didn’t push his religion as his guide to policy making. And there are some evangelicals among today’s Democrats in Congress, who similarly believe in a separation of church and state, the tearing down of which is the goal of the current crop of GOP evangelicals.

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KGxvi  Sep 20, 2015 • 6:55:52pm

re: #9 palomino

I wouldn’t vote for anyone who calls themselves a fundamentalist of any religion (nor one who shows themself to be a fundamentalist). Nor would I vote for a scientologist.

re: #3 Reality Based Steve

It’s not really cognitive dissonance. They’re christianists - they want to impose their theocracy in the guise of democracy. Anyone from another religion is competition, they can’t have that.

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palomino  Sep 20, 2015 • 7:00:19pm

re: #17 Charles Johnson

Except I never admired Barry Goldwater.

Yeah, Goldwater deserves a lot of the blame for the gop’s southern strategy. He only won 5 states outside his home of Arizona. All 5 were deep south states whose white voters responded to his states rights, anti-Civil Rights Act rhetoric. Basically, he tried it before Nixon and Reagan perfected it. Thanks, Barry.

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William Lewis  Sep 20, 2015 • 7:01:59pm

re: #25 palomino

And yet, President Carter’s view of his Christianity deeply influenced how he acted as president. A person can not have deeply held beliefs that do not influence their actions. This is why that little theocrat Huckabee is so dangerous.

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teleskiguy  Sep 20, 2015 • 7:03:39pm

I happen to agree with Barry Goldwater in this here quote.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Sep 20, 2015 • 7:05:18pm

My ride. I built this baby back in 2007, to distract me from the threat of layoffs as the company I worked for imploded. Columbus MAX steel frame from the early 1990s, their strongest tubeset for big, strong riders. Italian lugged construction, with pantographed for crown, brake bridge, and rear dropouts. Chrome plated chainstay. Had it painted Ferrari red. Built it up with the best components I could afford - Chris King headset, Phil Wood bottom bracket, Campagnolo Chorus kit. Custom wheels with White Industries hubs, Sapim spokes, and Velocity Fusion rims.

For the last 8 years, she’s my go-to bike. No flex in the bottom bracket when standing on it. Corners like she’s on rails. Descends like a falcon diving on prey.

Climbs like a 22# bike ridden by a 225#, 57 year old guy. Can’t have everything.

I named her DREADNOUGHT. Seemed appopriate for a battleship of a bike.

DREADNOUGHT
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palomino  Sep 20, 2015 • 7:06:07pm

re: #26 KGxvi

I wouldn’t vote for anyone who calls themselves a fundamentalist of any religion (nor one who shows themself to be a fundamentalist). Nor would I vote for a scientologist.

It’s not really cognitive dissonance. They’re christianists - they want to impose their theocracy in the guise of democracy. Anyone from another religion is competition, they can’t have that.

Anyone who can be fairly labelled a “fundie” has already made the decision that governance should be based on their interpretation of some holy text. Thus, I would say that you’re voting against them because you prize the wall between church and state. Not because you dislike Christians, even those who are very devout.

Scientology is another matter. It’s a racketeering operation posing as a religion to avoid paying taxes.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 20, 2015 • 7:08:23pm

Did anyone see that documentary on Uganda? God Loves Uganda. I think it made me despise political evangelical Christianity even more than I already do.

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calochortus  Sep 20, 2015 • 7:09:26pm

re: #21 Blind Frog Belly White

Let’s see if this works this time. Two hours ago, it didn’t.

Here are some pics from today’s ill-advised ride in the heat. I was so overheated when I got home that I had the Older Boy aim the big-ass fan at me, on high, for like 10 minutes while fetching me Cytomax with ice. Works great, BTW. Cooled me right down.

I won’t tell, yet, where these pics were taken. I’m curious if the Bay Areans among the Lizards can identify the spots:

[Embedded content]

Crystal Springs? Glad you survived your ride-it does seem a bit ill-advised, especially if you went all the way down to Frenchman’s Tower.

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Reality Based Steve  Sep 20, 2015 • 7:10:29pm

re: #30 Blind Frog Belly White

My ride. I built this baby back in 2007, to distract me from the threat of layoffs as the company I worked for imploded. Columbus MAX steel frame from the early 1990s, their strongest tubeset for big, strong riders. Italian lugged construction, with pantographed for crown, brake bridge, and rear dropouts. Chrome plated chainstay. Had it painted Ferrari red. Built it up with the best components I could afford - Chris King headset, Phil Wood bottom bracket, Campagnolo Chorus kit. Custom wheels with White Industries hubs, Sapim spokes, and Velocity Fusion rims.

For the last 8 years, she’s my go-to bike. No flex in the bottom bracket when standing on it. Corners like she’s on rails. Descends like a falcon diving on prey.

Climbs like a 22# bike ridden by a 225#, 57 year old guy. Can’t have everything.

I named her DREADNOUGHT. Seemed appopriate for a battleship of a bike.

Image: DREADNOUGHT

BEAUTIFUL Bike. I love the Velocity Fusion rims. I made a pair up for my touring recumbent, another set for my “fast ‘bent”. Great components, but you’re missing the authentic chrome spoke protector. :-)

Only thing lacking would be a set of the Campy Delta brakes… but then again, you probably view the ability to stop as being more important than the looks.

RBS
who’s now wondering what he ever did with that Phil Woods bottom bracket he’s got somewhere in a box of parts.

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Rocky-in-Connecticut  Sep 20, 2015 • 7:10:54pm

well, judging by Cruz’s loyal fanbase amongst a certain Republican cross-section I can tell the racism and bigotry is in full effect.

For example, I follow an old high school acquaintance on FB even though he is beyond full-on wingnut. He has been rabid in his promotion of just about every inane and insane anti-Obama meme the far right nutbase has dredged up. He has purposely posted several direct confrontational and directly hostile posts towards former “LIBERAL!!!” associates from his past like myself to quit following him or posting on his timeline. (I never have BTW, just follow like watching a train wreck) He had up to now held back any overt racist language but just tonight he decided to just let it all hang out and let his real racist freak flag fly using terms for Mexicans that racist people in the South use with casual abandon. It caught me off guard in its casual nature.

He also has been a big Ted Cruz fan even throughout the Trump onslaught. The last week however he had relented and started being friendlier towards a Trump ticket. I noticed a change in his views towards Trump in recent days from him based on his postings, and with it any inhibitions towards expressing his true nature in regards to people who do not have white skin. Very troubling and sad. This is what Ted Cruz, Trump, and pretty much the entire modern Republican field call a fanbase. Their racism and wish to isolate, or worse, rid themselves from 98% of the world’s inhabitants is real. And it is sick.

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The War TARDIS  Sep 20, 2015 • 7:11:43pm

Still having fun from Doctor Who last night.

Nothing story related here, but I found it funny.

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The War TARDIS  Sep 20, 2015 • 7:13:14pm

re: #35 Rocky-in-Connecticut

It’s simple. These people are Daleks made real.

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teleskiguy  Sep 20, 2015 • 7:14:04pm

When I bought my mountain bike a decade ago it was worth more than my car at the time. It stands as a prized possession, like my skis and my guitars.

I still need to get a road bike, but I always price myself out and decide to spend my money on more skis and Umphrey’s McGee concerts.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Sep 20, 2015 • 7:14:46pm

re: #34 Reality Based Steve

BEAUTIFUL Bike. I love the Velocity Fusion rims. I made a pair up for my touring recumbent, another set for my “fast ‘bent”. Great components, but you’re missing the authentic chrome spoke protector. :-)

Only thing lacking would be a set of the Campy Delta brakes… but then again, you probably view the ability to stop as being more important than the looks.

RBS
who’s now wondering what he ever did with that Phil Woods bottom bracket he’s got somewhere in a box of parts.

22# of bike and 225# of old fat guy. Trust me, I need brakes that work! The Chorus brakes are dual pivot front, single pivot rear, so you don’t lock up the back end.

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Kilroy01  Sep 20, 2015 • 7:15:02pm

re: #37 The War TARDIS

It’s simple. These people are Daleks made real.

Not unless Daleks using mobility scooters.

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palomino  Sep 20, 2015 • 7:15:32pm

re: #28 William Lewis

And yet, President Carter’s view of his Christianity deeply influenced how he acted as president. A person can not have deeply held beliefs that do not influence their actions. This is why that little theocrat Huckabee is so dangerous.

But Carter never pursued the destruction of the separation of church/state as his presidential goal. He never demonized one religion as being unfit to hold office. He never claimed to be chosen by God.

I’m an atheist. But I assume Carter was like most religious people: his experience as a Christian shaped some of his views, only naturally. But his religion was not a political cudgel used to marginalize others. Which is exactly what we’re seeing today in the GOP. Cruz, Carson, Huckabee, Santorum, et al. see America as a moral disaster which can only be saved by an overtly Christian soldier who will refashion our laws in Jesus’ image (or some other explicitly religious BS like that).

That wasn’t Jimmy Carter, not by a mile.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 20, 2015 • 7:15:42pm

I rhink slowly by slowly my family history projtect is paying off. A wife of a cousin i’ve never met emailed me a bunch of photos and documents that really have brought my research to life in a way that raw data simply cannot.

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William Lewis  Sep 20, 2015 • 7:16:11pm

re: #36 The War TARDIS

Still having fun from Doctor Who last night.

Nothing story related here, but I found it funny.

Need to find a way to see the episode - the pictures I’ve seen of 12 playing his Yamaha guitar are too cool for words to this old beginner.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Sep 20, 2015 • 7:16:56pm

re: #40 Kilroy01

Not unless Daleks using mobility scooters.

Daleks ARE mobility scooters

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makeitstop  Sep 20, 2015 • 7:17:18pm

re: #37 The War TARDIS

It’s simple. These people are Daleks made real.

The Daleks are slightly longer on compassion.

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Belafon  Sep 20, 2015 • 7:17:35pm

re: #43 William Lewis

When I clicked on the link, the episode started.

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The Vicious Babushka  Sep 20, 2015 • 7:17:54pm

I’m getting a whole bunch of Derp in my timeline because some wingnut RT’ed this saying HURR HURR AT LEAST THOSE KIDS HAD A WORK ETHIC!!!!

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b_sharp  Sep 20, 2015 • 7:17:59pm

re: #30 Blind Frog Belly White

My ride. I built this baby back in 2007, to distract me from the threat of layoffs as the company I worked for imploded. Columbus MAX steel frame from the early 1990s, their strongest tubeset for big, strong riders. Italian lugged construction, with pantographed for crown, brake bridge, and rear dropouts. Chrome plated chainstay. Had it painted Ferrari red. Built it up with the best components I could afford - Chris King headset, Phil Wood bottom bracket, Campagnolo Chorus kit. Custom wheels with White Industries hubs, Sapim spokes, and Velocity Fusion rims.

For the last 8 years, she’s my go-to bike. No flex in the bottom bracket when standing on it. Corners like she’s on rails. Descends like a falcon diving on prey.

Climbs like a 22# bike ridden by a 225#, 57 year old guy. Can’t have everything.

I named her DREADNOUGHT. Seemed appopriate for a battleship of a bike.

Image: DREADNOUGHT

Here’s my cycle. I named her ‘Trike’Trike

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teleskiguy  Sep 20, 2015 • 7:19:11pm

re: #41 palomino

a political cudgel used to marginalize others. Which is exactly what we’re seeing today in the GOP. Cruz, Carson, Huckabee, Santorum, et al. see America as a moral disaster which can only be saved by an overtly Christian soldier who will refashion our laws in Jesus’ image (or some other explicitly religious BS like that).

DING DING DING DING DING

These candidates are Christian fascists. If they had their way church attendance would be mandatory under penalty of law. Mosques (and probably synagogues if they do the bidding of the ‘cuckservative’ crowd) would be outlawed and non-believers would be sent to re-education camps. If they had their way…

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William Lewis  Sep 20, 2015 • 7:20:16pm

re: #45 makeitstop

The Daleks are slightly longer on compassion.

Sad but true. At least the Daleks are honest about their beliefs as well.

(Love the Dalek episode from 9’s season…)

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Dark_Falcon  Sep 20, 2015 • 7:21:01pm

re: #9 palomino

Yes, spoken like a true Republican bigot.

Why don’t you give us some examples of “legitimate refusal” to vote for a candidate due to his/her religion? Please, I’d love to hear your ideas on how voting/not voting for a candidate based on religion is “OK” and not anathema to what we allegedly stand for as a nation.

Was it OK to vote Nixon in 1960 because you disliked Catholics?

I breathlessly await a weak fumbling (football!) response. Or none at all.

I said “From that perspective”. I did not say I held that perspective, I said that Ted Cruz might hold it.

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teleskiguy  Sep 20, 2015 • 7:21:25pm

Religion will be Trump’s undoing in the primary. Mark my words.

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William Lewis  Sep 20, 2015 • 7:21:32pm

re: #46 Belafon

When I clicked on the link, the episode started.

Which link? I must have missed something.

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Belafon  Sep 20, 2015 • 7:21:37pm

re: #47 The Vicious Babushka

I’m getting a whole bunch of Derp in my timeline because some wingnut RT’ed this saying HURR HURR AT LEAST THOSE KIDS HAD A WORK ETHIC!!!!

[Embedded content]

The country allowing them to be hired didn’t, nor did the companies hiring them.

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Belafon  Sep 20, 2015 • 7:22:46pm

re: #53 William Lewis

Which link? I must have missed something.

There’s a link in #36, which you copied when you quoted in #43.

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The Vicious Babushka  Sep 20, 2015 • 7:23:37pm

re: #54 Belafon

The country allowing them to be hired didn’t, nor did the companies hiring them.

Anybody who looks at that meme & thinks it was all about “work ethic” and “personal responsibility” should delete their Twitter account & go work in the tobacco fields for 5¢ a day.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Sep 20, 2015 • 7:23:51pm

re: #48 b_sharp

Hey, if a man can’t be pretentious with his imaginary friends, with whom can he be pretentious?

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palomino  Sep 20, 2015 • 7:24:46pm

re: #51 Dark_Falcon

I said “From that perspective”. I did not say I held that perspective, I said that Ted Cruz might hold it.

Glad to hear you don’t hold that perspective.

How do you explain the other 60% of your party?

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The Vicious Babushka  Sep 20, 2015 • 7:24:58pm

Fun Fact about Ted Cruz:

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danarchy  Sep 20, 2015 • 7:26:10pm

re: #43 William Lewis

Need to find a way to see the episode - the pictures I’ve seen of 12 playing his Yamaha guitar are too cool for words to this old beginner.

When I click on that link it actually starts to autoplay the full episode.

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Charles Johnson  Sep 20, 2015 • 7:26:47pm
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Dark_Falcon  Sep 20, 2015 • 7:27:54pm

re: #52 teleskiguy

Religion will be Trump’s undoing in the primary. Mark my words.

It depends. I don’t think he’d be likely to win South Carolina, so he needs to win the other three early primaries then get through ‘Southern Tuesday’ in decent shape.

But the RNC did Trump a favor on that score as it mandated that the primaries that will be held on March 1st will allocate their delegates on proportional basis. That means Trump does not have win the largest number of states, just a large number of delegates.

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Kilroy01  Sep 20, 2015 • 7:28:46pm

re: #44 Blind Frog Belly White

Daleks ARE mobility scooters

re: #44 Blind Frog Belly White

I see them more like this. Only all watching Fox.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Sep 20, 2015 • 7:28:47pm

re: #33 calochortus

Crystal Springs? Glad you survived your ride-it does seem a bit ill-advised, especially if you went all the way down to Frenchman’s Tower.

51 miles total. The only real bad part, honestly, was once I got home and was no longer moving. Hence the fan.

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Dark_Falcon  Sep 20, 2015 • 7:28:55pm

re: #61 Charles Johnson

And how does his sexting negate the quality of his analysis?

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William Lewis  Sep 20, 2015 • 7:30:23pm

re: #53 William Lewis

didn’t follow a tumblr link because I wasn’t expecting that … O_o

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teleskiguy  Sep 20, 2015 • 7:31:18pm

I LOVE THE BIBLE, IT’S TERRIFIC. THERE’S SOME CLASSY ADVICE IN THERE THAT MAKE PEOPLE BETTER, A LOT LIKE MY FAVORITE BOOK “THE ART OF THE DEAL” WRITTEN BY ME.

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Reality Based Steve  Sep 20, 2015 • 7:31:22pm

Two of my bikes…. The long silver one is a Tour Easy Gold Rush Replica. That’s my main touring bike, and just a lot of fun to ride. The short one is a Rans Rocket, not the fastest thing in the stable, but great in crowds and just a kick to ride. Those are 20 inch BMX tires on wheels I built myself, Think they were the fusions. The GRR has Fusion wheels that I built. The rear hub on it is one of the old silent Shimano mountain hubs, the front is a Dyno hub driving a German LED light. Have to say that they have never given me any trouble.

My bike is bigger than a smart car…

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Jebediah, RBG  Sep 20, 2015 • 7:31:44pm

re: #30 Blind Frog Belly White

That’s an awfully nice looking bike… I’ve got some Chris King components, too - headsets and two hubs - dang, they’re great.

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calochortus  Sep 20, 2015 • 7:32:26pm

re: #64 Blind Frog Belly White

51 miles total. The only real bad part, honestly, was once I got home and was no longer moving. Hence the fan.

I’m impressed, but seriously-you probably shouldn’t do that in this kind of heat. We’d hate to lose you.

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The War TARDIS  Sep 20, 2015 • 7:33:29pm

re: #46 Belafon

Thanks.

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Charles Johnson  Sep 20, 2015 • 7:34:39pm
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The War TARDIS  Sep 20, 2015 • 7:35:39pm

You know, I just realized there is a really creepy stalker quality with Missy towards the Doctor.

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Charles Johnson  Sep 20, 2015 • 7:35:41pm

re: #65 Dark_Falcon

And how does his sexting negate the quality of his analysis?

You’re kidding, right?

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Blind Frog Belly White  Sep 20, 2015 • 7:36:56pm

re: #70 calochortus

I’m impressed, but seriously-you probably shouldn’t do that in this kind of heat. We’d hate to lose you.

I learned a trick a few years back. My biggest problem isn’t dehydration, because I drink a lot - 4x 24 oz bottles, 2 of cytomax, 2 of water. The biggest problem is heat buildup. So I periodically soak my head and back with water from the bottles. That works surprisingly well.

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Reality Based Steve  Sep 20, 2015 • 7:37:08pm

Hum… second pic wouldn’t post for some reason. Pedestrian bridge over the Cumberland River in Nashville.

RBS

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Charles Johnson  Sep 20, 2015 • 7:37:43pm

re: #65 Dark_Falcon

And how does his sexting negate the quality of his analysis?

Tell me; how credible would people think I was if I sent random women pictures of my junk?

It’s a sign that he has serious cognitive issues, and if you don’t see that I don’t know what to tell you.

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Dark_Falcon  Sep 20, 2015 • 7:38:32pm

re: #74 Charles Johnson

You’re kidding, right?

No, sir. He did something stupid over a year ago. I don’t think that should mean he is remain dipped in crap now. It’s not like he spewed racism or made a death threat.

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Charles Johnson  Sep 20, 2015 • 7:39:43pm

re: #78 Dark_Falcon

No, sir. He did something stupid over a year ago. I don’t think that should mean he is remain dipped in crap now. It’s not like he spewed racism or made a death threat.

Dude.

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calochortus  Sep 20, 2015 • 7:39:50pm

re: #75 Blind Frog Belly White

Yeah, even just around the house, I put water on my arms, face and neck when it’s hot. When I had short hair I used to just stick my head under the faucet. That’s less of an option with long hair, but the hubby likes my hair long, so….

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teleskiguy  Sep 20, 2015 • 7:39:53pm

re: #78 Dark_Falcon

You know, Charles has a point.

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jaunte  Sep 20, 2015 • 7:40:12pm

re: #65 Dark_Falcon

The analysis is we’re not bombing the Middle East enough, which is worth about what a dick pic is worth.

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Charles Johnson  Sep 20, 2015 • 7:41:52pm

This is me, really sick of morally-challenged right wingers advocating for more war.

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Teukka  Sep 20, 2015 • 7:42:33pm

re: #65 Dark_Falcon

And how does his sexting negate the quality of his analysis?

His sexting shows a carelessness which is a death sentence for a security expert. Lack of impulse control, specifically for impulses which can lead to him being blackmailed.

re: #78 Dark_Falcon

No, sir. He did something stupid over a year ago. I don’t think that should mean he is remain dipped in crap now. It’s not like he spewed racism or made a death threat.

Well, how many other instances of sexting are there which we do not know about, and how many of those may be using it against him to make him present certain kinds of analyses or hold back others?

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Belafon  Sep 20, 2015 • 7:42:44pm

re: #83 Charles Johnson

Pretty sure the morally-challenged part is unnecessary.

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Dark_Falcon  Sep 20, 2015 • 7:42:47pm

re: #82 jaunte

The analysis is we’re not bombing the Middle East enough, which is worth about what a dick pic is worth.

It’s that we aren’t fight Daesh effectively, which is not to say we can bomb our way to victory. He knows we can’t. and he’s said that the only lasting solution will be a political one.

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Charles Johnson  Sep 20, 2015 • 7:43:45pm

re: #86 Dark_Falcon

It’s that we aren’t fight Daesh effectively, which is not to say we can bomb our way to victory. He knows we can’t. and he’s said that the only lasting solution will be a political one.

And he sends pictures of his dick to random women he meets on the Internet.

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Dark_Falcon  Sep 20, 2015 • 7:46:29pm

re: #87 Charles Johnson

And he sends pictures of his dick to random women he meets on the Internet.

This is one we’re not going to agree on.

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Charles Johnson  Sep 20, 2015 • 7:48:36pm

re: #88 Dark_Falcon

This is one we’re not going to agree on.

What don’t you agree about? He admitted sending pictures of his dick to random women. Would you think that was OK if someone like Harry Reid did it?

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stpaulbear  Sep 20, 2015 • 7:49:11pm

Sending dick pictures randomly over the internet: opinions vary.

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TedStriker  Sep 20, 2015 • 7:49:58pm

re: #89 Charles Johnson

What don’t you agree about? He admitted sending pictures of his dick to random women. Would you think that was OK if someone like Harry Reid did it?

Forget it, Jake…it’s Chinatown.

/

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teleskiguy  Sep 20, 2015 • 7:51:20pm

Conservatives are to facts and evidence like Christians are to the bible. They pick and choose which parts are the best, that confirm their prejudices and biases.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 20, 2015 • 7:51:55pm

Correct me if I am wrong but I thought we all agreed that Anthony Weiner lost a lot of street cred when he uh sent his Wiener out. Why’s this guy different?

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teleskiguy  Sep 20, 2015 • 7:52:57pm

re: #93 HappyWarrior

Correct me if I am wrong but I thought we all agreed that Anthony Weiner lost a lot of street cred when he uh sent his Wiener out. Why’s this guy different?

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HappyWarrior  Sep 20, 2015 • 7:53:28pm

re: #94 teleskiguy

Embedded Image

That was deliberate I promise and man I miss those guys.

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ipsos  Sep 20, 2015 • 7:53:33pm

re: #76 Reality Based Steve

My bike(s) today were a series of CitiBikes around midtown Manhattan. Man, is that a harsh ride. But the weather was gorgeous and the city is always a good time.

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Dark_Falcon  Sep 20, 2015 • 7:54:30pm

re: #89 Charles Johnson

What don’t you agree about? He admitted sending pictures of his dick to random women. Would you think that was OK if someone like Harry Reid did it?

I don’t think I’d be bringing it up a year later. But I wasn’t OK with it when Schindler did it, and it was a wrong thing to do. But the fact remains his understand of intelligence matters is better than the vast majority of writers. And despite the dick pic, he has an important role to play, for he has managed to stake out a foreign policy position on the Middle East that is to the right of the position held by the Obama Administration without being insane.

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Eventual Carrion  Sep 20, 2015 • 7:55:25pm

re: #89 Charles Johnson

What don’t you agree about? He admitted sending pictures of his dick to random women. Would you think that was OK if someone like Harry Reid did it?

Well, as far as we know he didn’t get a BJ. That would be cause for condemnation for the rest of his life.

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teleskiguy  Sep 20, 2015 • 7:55:30pm
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HappyWarrior  Sep 20, 2015 • 7:56:15pm

re: #98 Eventual Carrion

Well, as far as we know he didn’t get a BJ. That would be cause for condemnation for the rest of his life.

BJs and adultery are only bad if you’re a Democrat. Be a Republican adulterer and all’s forgiven.

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bratwurst  Sep 20, 2015 • 7:57:01pm

re: #97 Dark_Falcon

I don’t think I’d be bringing it up a year later.

What a load of garbage. Until fairly recently you were spitting at the mere mention of John Kerry’s name for what he did in the early 70s.

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Eventual Carrion  Sep 20, 2015 • 7:58:48pm

re: #100 HappyWarrior

BJs and adultery are only bad if you’re a Democrat. Be a Republican adulterer and all’s forgiven.

Happy Appalachian trails to you
Bum ba dee da bum ba dee da

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HappyWarrior  Sep 20, 2015 • 8:00:41pm

re: #102 Eventual Carrion

Happy Appalachian trails to you
Bum ba dee da bum ba dee da

I was actually thinking of the adulterous hypocrites that cried about how Clinton brought shame on the nation and then the kid fucker that replaced Newt and Livingston but Mark works too.

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Dark_Falcon  Sep 20, 2015 • 8:00:56pm

re: #101 bratwurst

What a load of garbage. Until fairly recently you were spitting at the mere mention of John Kerry’s name for what he did in the early 70s.

What he did was more substantive than a sext. Moreover, the actions of the anti-Vietnam War left have at times been a point of anger for me. And I still feel what Kerry said to Sen. Fulbright and a number of other senators was wrong and hurt the nation.

What I no longer believe is the idea that Kerry acted in dishonorable fashion while serving in Vietnam.

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Dark_Falcon  Sep 20, 2015 • 8:01:59pm

re: #102 Eventual Carrion

Happy Appalachian trails to you
Bum ba dee da bum ba dee da

I’m not defending Mark Sanford and I have not done so in the past.

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BlueSpotinAL  Sep 20, 2015 • 8:02:10pm

re: #76 Reality Based Steve

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Hum… second pic wouldn’t post for some reason. Pedestrian bridge over the Cumberland River in Nashville.

RBS

I see the famous tower of Barad-dur in the background.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 20, 2015 • 8:02:58pm

re: #105 Dark_Falcon

I’m not defending Mark Sanford and I have not done so in the past.

No one said you were but we were pointing out how your party looks the other way with adultery in your ranks and acts like it’s a moral crisis when a Democrat does it a la Clinton.

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Dark_Falcon  Sep 20, 2015 • 8:04:13pm

re: #106 BlueSpotinAL

I see the famous tower of Barad-dur in the background.

One does not simply walk into Nashville…

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Charles Johnson  Sep 20, 2015 • 8:05:18pm

re: #97 Dark_Falcon

I don’t think I’d be bringing it up a year later.

Come on. Who do you think you’re fooling? If you thought you could advance the Republican agenda by hanging onto a grudge for years, you’d do it without a second thought.

But when your favorite sons do something disgusting and horrible that makes them look like deranged sex addicts, you’re eager to forgive them.

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stpaulbear  Sep 20, 2015 • 8:06:01pm
..he has managed to stake out a foreign policy position on the Middle East that is to the right of the position held by the Obama Administration without being insane.

I guess if you use that as your guide, you really do need to grab onto whatever conservative heros you can find. There’s hardly anyone who fits that bill right now.

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Dark_Falcon  Sep 20, 2015 • 8:06:50pm

re: #107 HappyWarrior

No one said you were but we were pointing out how your party looks the other way with adultery in your ranks and acts like it’s a moral crisis when a Democrat does it a la Clinton.

I understand, but the only person whose views on such matters I was explaining or defending were my own.

Remember, most Donald Trump supporters wouldn’t agree with John Schindler if they read his work. They’d think he was a wuss for not wanting to see Raqqa carpet-bombed.

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jaunte  Sep 20, 2015 • 8:07:24pm

re: #100 HappyWarrior

BJs and adultery are only bad if you’re a Democrat. Be a Republican adulterer and all’s forgiven.

At least affairs are presumably consensual, no matter what the politics.
Sending an unsolicited dick pic is a weird and creepy form of bullying.

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bratwurst  Sep 20, 2015 • 8:08:07pm

re: #104 Dark_Falcon

What I no longer believe is the idea that Kerry acted in dishonorable fashion while serving in Vietnam.

Congrats! 11 years after the 2004 you no longer believe in the lies spread by your own party.

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Dark_Falcon  Sep 20, 2015 • 8:08:12pm

re: #110 stpaulbear

I guess if you use that as your guide, you really do need to grab onto whatever conservative heros you can find. There’s hardly anyone who fits that bill right now.

I believe that the time is going to come when sane right-of-center analysis will be needed. And I want to make sure those who can provide it are trusted enough to be believed.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 20, 2015 • 8:08:44pm

re: #111 Dark_Falcon

I understand, but the only person whose views on such matters I was explaining or defending were my own.

Remember, most Donald Trump supporters wouldn’t agree with John Schindler if they read his work. They’d think he was a wuss for not wanting to see Raqqa carpet-bombed.

And i am just saying that I find your party’s moral hypocrisy tiring. You guys like to act like you’re moral than thou and yet time and time again it’s Republicans that get caught up in adulterous scandals. I’d have more respect for your party and ideology if you dropped the moral superiority crap.

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Dark_Falcon  Sep 20, 2015 • 8:09:31pm

re: #113 bratwurst

It’s actually been since 2013, truth to tell. [smiles]

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HappyWarrior  Sep 20, 2015 • 8:09:54pm

re: #114 Dark_Falcon

I believe that the time is going to come when sane right-of-center analysis will be needed. And I want to make sure those who can provide it are trusted enough to be believed.

Got news for you but right of center is actually closer to what Obama is than anyone on your side. The sooner you realize that, the sooner you’ll realize that Obama has more in common with how he approaches international relations with someone like Gerry Ford more so than George McGovern.

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CuriousLurker  Sep 20, 2015 • 8:12:18pm

I’d trust Ted Cruz exactly as far as I could throw him.

That is all.*

*I’m not in the mood to stick around & watching D_F dig a hole using his rather elastic moral standards as a shovel vis a vis judging conservative vs liberals.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 20, 2015 • 8:13:11pm

I’m a patient guy but I keep on expecting a sane “right” to emerge and what do I get. I get a party that has made Donald fucking Trump its frontrunner. A party that is filled with people that profess to love Israel yet are at great odds with many of Israel’s policies. The right has plenty of time to respond sanely to the rise of Obama. They have responded alright but it’s like a child who can’t handle being told no.

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Dark_Falcon  Sep 20, 2015 • 8:13:47pm

re: #118 CuriousLurker

I’d trust Ted Cruz exactly as far as I could throw him.

That is all.*

*I’m not in the mood to stick around & watching D_F dig a hole using his rather elastic moral standards as a shovel vis a vis judging conservative vs liberals.

I’m not digging. I defended John Schindler and that was all.

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gwangung  Sep 20, 2015 • 8:14:53pm

re: #120 Dark_Falcon

I’m not digging. I defended John Schindler and that was all.

Well, not really. I didn’t see you quoting his analysis.

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Pawn of the Oppressor  Sep 20, 2015 • 8:16:03pm

re: #11 palomino

I rolled over and wrote this on my phone just after waking this morning… One of those political thoughts in Facebook-post format that I rarely share. I guess this dozen-idiots-on-a-stage moron-ity show took a few days to boil down to a paragraph:

I’m starting a new political party. My platform is that everybody who isn’t like me, is to be starved, sickened, beaten, driven out, shot, burned, and bombed. You’re either for me, or against the alleged creator of The Universe. I’m calling this ‘The Love Party’. Our motto is ‘We Care a Lot!’. This will be painted on our jets, bombs, and riot gear. Who’s with me? I know you all are. Otherwise, you’ll be deported… If you’re lucky.

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Romantic Heretic  Sep 20, 2015 • 8:16:04pm

re: #100 HappyWarrior

BJs and adultery are only bad if you’re a Democrat. Be a Republican adulterer and all’s forgiven.

In the latter case The Ministry of Truth, I mean Fox News, makes them into a Democrat.

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teleskiguy  Sep 20, 2015 • 8:17:46pm

re: #121 gwangung

Well, not really. I didn’t see you quoting his analysis.

Nah. Dark_Falcon was responding to Charles’s (correct) criticism of John Schindler - namely that he’s lost a ton of credibility as a National Security Analyst by being a creepy perv with a smartphone and an internet connection - and taking Schindler’s side because GO TEAM GO RAH RAH RAH!!

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HappyWarrior  Sep 20, 2015 • 8:17:53pm

re: #123 Romantic Heretic

In the latter case The Ministry of Truth, I mean Fox News, makes them into a Democrat.

Oh yes, Mark Foley became a Democrat all of a sudden after his sexual harassment of the House pages was revealed.

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Dark_Falcon  Sep 20, 2015 • 8:18:48pm

re: #121 gwangung

Because I figured I’d just get hammered if I did for going after Pres. Obama. I did want that as its late and I’m weary from helping out my mother today. and lastly I didn’t want to tick people here off, either.

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teleskiguy  Sep 20, 2015 • 8:20:27pm

re: #126 Dark_Falcon

and lastly I didn’t want to tick people here off, either.

You didn’t tick me off at all. You’re just showing your colors bright as sunshine. You’re a relentless partisan.

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Dark_Falcon  Sep 20, 2015 • 8:21:45pm

re: #127 teleskiguy

You didn’t tick me off at all. You’re just showing your colors bright as sunshine. You’re a relentless partisan.

Actually, by not going after Obama I was trying to relent and be a better online neighbor.

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stpaulbear  Sep 20, 2015 • 8:22:36pm

re: #114 Dark_Falcon

Next time I won’t forget the sarc tags. I was trying to point out how deeply desperate you sounded to find a non-insane conservative voice.

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Reality Based Steve  Sep 20, 2015 • 8:22:49pm

I’m outta here. Had a great day helping supervise a class. Some good dives, it was COLD (45 Degrees) at 80 foot or so, and I didn’t have quite enough gear on. Got a bit cold, but nothing too bad.

One nice thing about diving, for at least during the duration underwater, I totally forget about politics, about strife, about all the real life concerns. Just that wonderful feeling of weightlessness, of being a visitor in an alien environment, of doing something so special that it always makes me smile to think about it.

Life is good.

RBS
Help yourself to the sushi in the fridge, I picked it up at the gas station yesterday (or maybe the day before). Should be fine.

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teleskiguy  Sep 20, 2015 • 8:23:08pm

re: #128 Dark_Falcon

Actually, by not going after Obama I was trying to relent and be a better online neighbor.

C’mon, let it out! I’m interested in your opinions on how Obama is ruining America.

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gwangung  Sep 20, 2015 • 8:23:44pm

re: #126 Dark_Falcon

Because I figured I’d just get hammered if I did for going after Pres. Obama. I did want that as its late and I’m weary from helping out my mother today. and lastly I didn’t want to tick people here off, either.

You get hammered because your argument is often sloppy, you don’t think your positions through and you favor ideology over rational thought.

That pisses people off. If you had quoted the strongest part of the analysis and shown how it had some validity, you’d get people responding to you, but you wouldn’t piss them off (now, you might rile them off, but in a good way—-bringing up strong points they hadn’t thought of).

The knee-jerk agreement because of ideology is a trait you strongly share with the others in the Republican party you profess to disdain.

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The War TARDIS  Sep 20, 2015 • 8:23:59pm

I hope this isn’t true, but I saw some Brits on Tumblr talking about it earlier. Didn’t know what it was until just now.

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The War TARDIS  Sep 20, 2015 • 8:25:07pm
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gwangung  Sep 20, 2015 • 8:25:16pm

re: #133 The War TARDIS

I hope this isn’t true, but I saw some Brits on Tumblr talking about it earlier. Didn’t know what it was until just now.

[Embedded content]

Yup…apparently true….lots of pig jokes. And Miss Piggy is single now…

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Charles Johnson  Sep 20, 2015 • 8:25:45pm

To be totally up-front, I’m going to do everything in my power to prevent people like John Schindler and Ted Cruz and Donald Trump and every other Republican from ever gaining power again. These are bad people pushing bad agendas, and America needs to keep them away from the reins of government at all costs.

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CuriousLurker  Sep 20, 2015 • 8:27:08pm

re: #114 Dark_Falcon

I believe that the time is going to come when sane right-of-center analysis will be needed. And I want to make sure those who can provide it are trusted enough to be believed.

FWIW, as a woman I would never trust a MARRIED man—conservative or liberal—who cheated on his wife like Schindler did. And yes, I think it’s cheating regardless of whether or not it’s done via the internet—if you disagree, tell me what guy in his right mind would be okay with his wife sending a similar photo & texts to another man? Would you still see her as trustworthy in other matters?

I wouldn’t—it’s been my experience that if someone is willing to betray the person closest to them, the person with whom they eat, sleep, and in fact share an entire life with, then they’re not to be trusted in ANY situation.

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The War TARDIS  Sep 20, 2015 • 8:27:09pm

re: #135 gwangung

Ahem, sorry for the all-caps..

CAMERON IS A PIG FUCKER!!!

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Dark_Falcon  Sep 20, 2015 • 8:27:32pm

re: #131 teleskiguy

Nope, not without others to provide support. That kind of solo attack does not work.

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palomino  Sep 20, 2015 • 8:27:59pm

re: #88 Dark_Falcon

This is one we’re not going to agree on.

It’s a fact that he sent dick pix and harmed his own credibility, there is no agreement necessary from you.

You’re starting to sound more and more like the mindless dead end ultra right in your party: untethered from reality, making excuses for the excesses of your candidates, excusing lies for political reasons, and mindlessly attacking Obama over things disproven years ago.

And, worst of all, unable to admit that your party has now been overrun by outright racists (Trump) and related religious bigots (Carson, Huck, Cruz, Santorum). Combined those 5 candidates are getting about 65% of the vote in gop polls.

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The War TARDIS  Sep 20, 2015 • 8:28:02pm
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jaunte  Sep 20, 2015 • 8:29:36pm

re: #135 gwangung

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The War TARDIS  Sep 20, 2015 • 8:30:14pm
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blueraven  Sep 20, 2015 • 8:31:25pm

re: #114 Dark_Falcon

I believe that the time is going to come when sane right-of-center analysis will be needed. And I want to make sure those who can provide it are trusted enough to be believed.

OK, what exactly is he accusing here? Obama being careful with bombing to avoid civilian casualties? WH is directing foreign policy?

What?

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The War TARDIS  Sep 20, 2015 • 8:32:09pm
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palomino  Sep 20, 2015 • 8:32:36pm

re: #124 teleskiguy

Nah. Dark_Falcon was responding to Charles’s (correct) criticism of John Schindler - namely that he’s lost a ton of credibility as a National Security Analyst by being a creepy perv with a smartphone and an internet connection - and taking Schindler’s side because GO TEAM GO RAH RAH RAH!!

Yeah, remember when this DF guy used to be kinda thoughtful? That was a while back. He now lives in a fantasy land where there’s nothing wrong with the gop as long as they win elections. Because fuck actual governing, right?

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jaunte  Sep 20, 2015 • 8:33:11pm

re: #144 blueraven

He has heard from “sources” that the bombing we’re doing is not as “effective” as is being claimed. That’s about it.

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CuriousLurker  Sep 20, 2015 • 8:33:19pm

Ugh, okay, not gonna watch the pig jokes.

Later.

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William Lewis  Sep 20, 2015 • 8:34:10pm

Ok, back from the first Dr. Episode. Cool beeeeenz.

Still don’t know how anyone missed the line about the long scarf early on.

Great guitar work from an old punk.

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teleskiguy  Sep 20, 2015 • 8:35:15pm

re: #139 Dark_Falcon

Nope, not without others to provide support. That kind of solo attack does not work.

Ah! So you do think Obama is TEH STAN! Thanks for the clarification.

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The War TARDIS  Sep 20, 2015 • 8:37:55pm

re: #149 William Lewis

And now, MOAR entertainment from Britain.

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teleskiguy  Sep 20, 2015 • 8:38:02pm

Gore Vidal was right in so many ways.

From his “obituary” of William F. Buckley Jr.

The unique mess that our republic is in can be, in part, attributed to a corrupt press whose roots are in mendacious news (sic) magazines like Time and Newsweek, aided by tabloids that manufacture fictional stories about actual people. This mingling of opinion and fiction has undone a media never devoted to truth. Hence, the ease with which the Republican smear-machine goes into action when they realize that yet again the party’s permanent unpopularity with the American people will cause them defeat unless they smear individually those who question the junk that the media has put into so many heads. Anyone who says “We gotta fight ‘em over there or we’re gonna have to fight ‘em over here.” This absurdity has been pronounced by every Republican seeking high office. The habit of lying is now a national style that started with “news” magazines that was further developed by pathological liars that proved to be “good” Entertainment on TV. But a diet of poison that has done none of us any good.

More: truthdig.com

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William Lewis  Sep 20, 2015 • 8:38:36pm

re: #150 teleskiguy

Ah! So you do think Obama is TEH STAN! Thanks for the clarification.

Not sure which of you is being stupider here…

Don’t have a link so imagine the Fry jpg of him squinting here.

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Dark_Falcon  Sep 20, 2015 • 8:39:15pm

re: #150 teleskiguy

Ah! So you do think Obama is TEH STAN! Thanks for the clarification.

Can’t I just say I think he’s wrong without that meaning I think he’s evil?!

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teleskiguy  Sep 20, 2015 • 8:40:11pm

re: #154 Dark_Falcon

Can’t I just say i think he’s wrong without that meaning I think he’s evil?!

RINO!

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Poligeek  Sep 20, 2015 • 8:40:19pm

If there’s one thing I’ve learned by lurking here for like 7+ years now.. its near impossible to convince DF that a Republican is on the wrong side of something. He might not always approve of their tactics.. and will throw out a half-hearted “yeah he shouldn’t have said it like that” - but speaking frankly, he rarely (if ever) takes issue with their platform positions, no matter how extreme.

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TedStriker  Sep 20, 2015 • 8:40:24pm

re: #153 William Lewis

Not sure which of you is being stupider here…

Don’t have a link so imagine the Fry jpg of him squinting here.

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blueraven  Sep 20, 2015 • 8:40:27pm

re: #147 jaunte

He has heard from “sources” that the bombing we’re doing is not as “effective” as is being claimed. That’s about it.

I tried to discover some scandal in what I was reading, but it sounds like the same old disagreements between agencies, departments, etc…

Frankly, I haven’t really been aware that there was a narrative that everything was all peachy in Iraq. Some successes, some failures, slow slog. Where is this rah-rah, we are winning stuff?

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William Lewis  Sep 20, 2015 • 8:44:44pm

re: #157 TedStriker

Embedded Image

Thanks! THAT”s exactly the one I saw in my mind when reading that post.

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The War TARDIS  Sep 20, 2015 • 8:50:41pm
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Dark_Falcon  Sep 20, 2015 • 8:54:23pm

re: #160 The War TARDIS

[Embedded content]

I originally thought they thought they just spliced Mark Sanford’s DNA with that of a pig. But I realized that couldn’t be true as Sanford is a Republican and we all know that pig and elephant DNA just won’t splice.

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The War TARDIS  Sep 20, 2015 • 8:57:08pm

Alright, who here thinks David Cameron will resign?

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Dark_Falcon  Sep 20, 2015 • 8:57:55pm

re: #163 The War TARDIS

Alright, who here thinks David Cameron will resign?

Is this something that happened recently or something from a while back?

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Kragar  Sep 20, 2015 • 9:06:19pm

re: #161 The War TARDIS

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The War TARDIS  Sep 20, 2015 • 9:06:57pm

re: #164 Dark_Falcon

It sounds like a college initiation.

But, this is exceptionally bad.

We are living through history people. Just not good history.

And yes, I am gleeful because it is a conservative who did this.

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The War TARDIS  Sep 20, 2015 • 9:15:56pm

I got one more. Exerpt from Animal Farm, by George Orwell.

‘The creatures outside looked from pig to man, and from man to pig, and from pig to man again; but already it was impossible to say which was which

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darthstar  Sep 20, 2015 • 9:17:57pm

re: #30 Blind Frog Belly White

My ride. I built this baby back in 2007, to distract me from the threat of layoffs as the company I worked for imploded. Columbus MAX steel frame from the early 1990s, their strongest tubeset for big, strong riders. Italian lugged construction, with pantographed for crown, brake bridge, and rear dropouts. Chrome plated chainstay. Had it painted Ferrari red. Built it up with the best components I could afford - Chris King headset, Phil Wood bottom bracket, Campagnolo Chorus kit. Custom wheels with White Industries hubs, Sapim spokes, and Velocity Fusion rims.

For the last 8 years, she’s my go-to bike. No flex in the bottom bracket when standing on it. Corners like she’s on rails. Descends like a falcon diving on prey.

Climbs like a 22# bike ridden by a 225#, 57 year old guy. Can’t have everything.

I named her DREADNOUGHT. Seemed appopriate for a battleship of a bike.

Image: DREADNOUGHT

Very nice. I haven’t been riding much lately. Need to change that.

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freetoken  Sep 20, 2015 • 9:21:13pm

Given that one of the sources feeding the trough about Cameron is one James Delingpole, I’d put everything revealed out there on limb and see if it survives for a time.

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Charles Johnson  Sep 20, 2015 • 9:23:43pm

Current mood.

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Feline Fearless Leader  Sep 20, 2015 • 9:28:04pm

G’night folks. Came across what struck me as a somewhat unlikely plant to see growing out of a crack in the sidewalk in Philadelphia. (And secondary surprise that it had not been harvested by some passerby.)

Sidewalk chile peppers
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sagehen  Sep 20, 2015 • 9:33:51pm

re: #164 Dark_Falcon

is this something that happened recently or something from a while back?

A college thing, from 30 years ago. The book in which it’s described is brand new.

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teleskiguy  Sep 20, 2015 • 9:46:04pm

Crescent (United States) (AFP) - The central US state of Oklahoma has gone from registering two earthquakes a year to nearly two a day and scientists point to a controversial culprit: wastewater injection wells used in fracking.

Located in the middle of the country, far from any major fault lines, Oklahoma experienced 585 earthquakes of a magnitude of 3.0 or greater in 2014. That’s more than three times as many as the 180 which hit California last year.

“It’s completely unprecedented,” said George Choy, a seismologist at the US Geological Survey.

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Camacho DeezNuts 2016  Sep 20, 2015 • 9:48:42pm

re: #169 freetoken

Given that one of the sources feeding the trough about Cameron is one James Delingpole, I’d put everything revealed out there on limb and see if it survives for a time.

Delingpole. Figures.

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Higgs Boson's Mate  Sep 20, 2015 • 9:49:52pm

re: #173 teleskiguy

“nothing can go wrong, go wrong, go wrong…” The gobbledygook that they’ll pay some schlep to produce, explaining how it’s anything but fracking, will likely be tedious.

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teleskiguy  Sep 20, 2015 • 9:55:56pm

re: #175 Higgs Boson’s Mate

“nothing can go wrong, go wrong, go wrong…” The gobbledygook that they’ll pay some schlep to produce, explaining how it’s anything but fracking, will likely be tedious.

It’s not the New Madrid fault. That’s too deep within the crust.

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Teukka  Sep 20, 2015 • 9:59:15pm

Dunno if this has been posted yet. But woah.
To Scale: The Solar System

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teleskiguy  Sep 20, 2015 • 10:00:13pm

re: #177 Teukka

LGF reader “otoc” made a page. I tweeted it last night.

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freetoken  Sep 20, 2015 • 10:03:27pm

The media is slowly bring forth stories on how looney Carson is, in his Adventist way:

Dr. Ben Carson - Evolution is Satan’s work? Not so fast.

[…]

In 2011, Carson gave a speech about “Creationism vs. Evolution.” Ironically he began the discussion talking about the frontal lobe of the human brain that allows human reasoning. He then later proved that the brain may allow reason, but certainly doesn’t guarantee it, as he then abandoned reason for madness.

“This whole creation evolution controversy has been raging on really from the beginning. Because what is Satan’s plan? To get rid of god. To disparage god. To mischaracterize god.” Seriously, this is what Dr. Carson said in the year 2011.

In this same speech he makes the claim that no transitional fossils have been found over the past 150 years and that Lucy was just a human with a deformed skull. A simple Google search could have cured the doctor’s staggering ignorance, but apparently any kind of research is “Satan’s plan.”

[…]

Celebration of Creation | Ben Carson, MD

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Nyet  Sep 20, 2015 • 10:27:03pm

re: #25 palomino

But your refusal to vote for them isn’t based on their religion per se. It’s based on their theocratic, far right wing policies.

Which are a part and parcel of their religion.
There is nothing intrinsically wrong with refusing to vote for someone because of their religion. It only becomes wrong when this decision is also irrational, like in the case of “I won’t vote for any Muslim”. (In this case irrationality lies in several fallacies, like overgeneralization.) When the decision is rational (“I won’t vote for any fundamentalist Christian” or “a member of the Church of Scientology” or “a member of Aum Shinrikyo), it is warranted and is, arguably, even necessary.

(And no, not all evangelicals are fundamentalists.)

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Nyet  Sep 20, 2015 • 10:39:02pm

PS: for pedantry’s sake: it is also bigoted to say “I won’t vote for any Scientologist”. Because there are Scientologists who are not associated with the CoS. They merely share the religious beliefs, and are hated by the Church. As such, nothing in their beliefs (which are no more absurd than Christian, Muslim or Jewish ones) disqualifies them from any office.

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palomino  Sep 20, 2015 • 10:45:43pm

re: #180 Nyet

Which are a part and parcel of their religion.
There is nothing intrinsically wrong with refusing to vote for someone because of their religion. It only becomes wrong when this decision is also irrational, like in the case of “I won’t vote for any Muslim”. (In this case irrationality lies in several fallacies, like overgeneralization.) When the decision is rational (“I won’t vote for any fundamentalist Christian” or “a member of the Church of Scientology” or “a member of Aum Shinrikyo), it is warranted and is, arguably, even necessary.

(And no, not all evangelicals are fundamentalists.)

I don’t think I said all evangelicals were fundies. I was responding to someone who brought up fundamentalists after I had mentioned evangelicals, but I didn’t mean to conflate the two.

The overly broad “I won’t vote for any _______” mentality is what I was referring to, mainly since that’s the stated view of Ben Carson regarding Muslims. And he’s the guy who’s currently in second place, for whatever that’s worth.

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Nyet  Sep 20, 2015 • 10:54:06pm

re: #182 palomino

Agreed that the problem lies with the overly broad approach. Not with religious tests as such though.

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Higgs Boson's Mate  Sep 20, 2015 • 11:35:54pm

re: #176 teleskiguy

New Madrid is well to the east of OK. It will raise hell the next time it slips if the quakes of 1811-1812 are any indication. I don’t know how much fracking their is within the New Madrid fault zone, but much misery will ensue if they do manage to wake it up. IIRC, only about half of the states that might be affected have earthquake building codes.

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Amory Blaine  Sep 20, 2015 • 11:57:23pm

re: #136 Charles Johnson

To be totally up-front, I’m going to do everything in my power to prevent people like John Schindler and Ted Cruz and Donald Trump and every other Republican from ever gaining power again. These are bad people pushing bad agendas, and America needs to keep them away from the reins of government at all costs.

Thank you Charles.

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Jebediah, RBG  Sep 21, 2015 • 9:16:12am

re: #176 teleskiguy

It’s not the New Madrid fault. That’s too deep within the crust.

WILCO - NEW MADRID

Well, I’ve listened to this song a million times, and it doesn’t seem to say anywhere that it is New Madrid’s fault.


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