Anti-Gay Kentucky Clerk Kim Davis Not Complying With Court Order

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Is anyone surprised to learn that anti-gay clerk Kim Davis is still trying to interfere with the issuance of marriage licenses to same sex couples?

Davis and her homophobic religious fanatic attorneys have made no secret of their plans to continue defying the law.

A county clerk from Kentucky who went to jail rather than issue marriage licenses to gay couples made material changes to the forms upon her return and is not in compliance with a federal court order, lawyers for couples suing her said on Monday.

Rowan County Clerk Kim Davis should be ordered to allow the licenses to be issued under the earlier format or the clerk’s office should be put in receivership and fines imposed, the attorneys from the American Civil Liberties Union of Kentucky said in a federal court filing.

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On Friday, the lawyer for Deputy Clerk Brian Mason, who has been issuing licenses since Davis was jailed, told the court Davis confiscated the licenses upon her return and gave him a document that removed references to Rowan County and Davis’ office and required him to list his title as a notary public.

The changes run afoul of Bunning’s order, the filing by the lawyers for the plaintiffs said. At the minimum, she has created considerable uncertainty for marriage applicants about their licenses and subsequent marriages, the filing said.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Sep 21, 2015 • 8:41:30pm

Subtitle reads “famatics” instead of “fanatics”.

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teleskiguy  Sep 21, 2015 • 8:42:14pm
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Jenner7  Sep 21, 2015 • 8:50:56pm

So, when is she going back to jail?

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ComradeDread  Sep 21, 2015 • 8:56:29pm

I guess she needs more stories to fill out the ghostwritten book she’s going to make seven figures off of this holiday season.

Jesus must be so proud.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Sep 21, 2015 • 9:00:37pm

re: #4 ComradeDread

I guess she needs more stories to fill out the ghostwritten book she’s going to make seven figures off of this holiday season.

Jesus must be so proud.

Yeah I’m not holding my breath on her donating the proceeds to charity.

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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Sep 21, 2015 • 9:00:45pm

can’t they just fire her?

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Kruggerrand Paul  Sep 21, 2015 • 9:00:50pm

To quote a favorite hip hop artist, “There ain’t nothin’ like a martyr-made motor ‘cause a martyr-made motor don’t quit”.

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calochortus  Sep 21, 2015 • 9:03:06pm

re: #6 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸

can’t they just fire her?

She’s elected-would have to be impeached or possibly recalled.

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jaunte  Sep 21, 2015 • 9:04:47pm
“I’ve called ‘Hitler,’ I’ve been called ‘hypocrite,’ I’ve been called a homophobe,” said Davis in the interview, which is scheduled to air Tuesday. “I’ve been called things and names that I didn’t even say when I was in the world. Those names don’t hurt me.”
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Can someone “not in the world” hold public office? She seems delusional.

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KGxvi  Sep 21, 2015 • 9:05:11pm

She obviously doesn’t understand the meaning of “render unto Caesar the things that are Caesar’s and unto God the things that are God’s.”

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CriticalDragon1177  Sep 21, 2015 • 9:05:42pm

Charles Johnson,

She needs to be impeached and sent to jail for awhile. She thinks she knows what persecution is? She has no idea. Right now in countries like Iran, Saudi Arabia, Afghanistan and North Korea, Christians are facing real persecution. Also if she was a Muslim, its unlikely that she would have ever gotten the opportunity to deny gays marriage licenses before the entire “counter jihad” shouted “Creeping Sharia,” and many of them would be the very people supporting her now. Its Kim Davis, if anyone here who is the one who did the persecuting, since she refused to do her job and treat gay people as equals under the law since she didn’t like their “lifestyle.”

And unlike Kim Davis, Salman Rushdi knows what persecution is!

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CriticalDragon1177  Sep 21, 2015 • 9:06:30pm

re: #10 KGxvi

She obviously doesn’t understand the meaning of “render unto Caesar the things that are Caesar’s and unto God the things that are God’s.”

I have a feeling she doesn’t really care. She hates gays too much to do her job.

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The Ghost of a Flea  Sep 21, 2015 • 9:07:31pm

re: #9 jaunte

Can someone “not in the world” hold public office? She seems delusional.

Apostolic Christian talk for before she was saved.

She’s hardcore one of those sects that thinks most Christians aren’t Christians.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Sep 21, 2015 • 9:07:38pm

Requiring Mason to list his notary public title means she is trying to invalidate the licenses, despite her promise not to meddle. Mason’s notary signature and seal only means he has verified the identity of the signatories. It’s unclear whether in these circumstances his signature as deputy clerk means the office is issuing the license.

So, basically, she’s screwing over any couple in Rowan County who wants to get married.

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KGxvi  Sep 21, 2015 • 9:07:46pm

re: #12 CriticalDragon1177

yeah, and while it’s been a while, I seem to recall from my Catholic education that there’s something else in that book about loving the least among us and treating others as we would want to be treated (or how a believer would treat Jesus - depending on the interpretation).

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jaunte  Sep 21, 2015 • 9:09:44pm

re: #13 The Ghost of a Flea

Apostolic Christian talk for before she was saved.

That’s why her previous marriages are not supposed to be calculated in her hypocrisy.

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KGxvi  Sep 21, 2015 • 9:13:08pm

re: #16 jaunte

In the words of another great Christian:

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Sep 21, 2015 • 9:16:03pm

I haven’t been watching Scorpion, but it’s on right now—and I just realized the guy with the hat is Jeff Woodcock from ‘Till Death!

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jaunte  Sep 21, 2015 • 9:17:55pm
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Teukka  Sep 21, 2015 • 9:20:13pm

Snipped off the presses:

OKEMAH, Okla. — A 4-year-old was allegedly forced by his teacher to write with his right hand, even though he’s left-handed. The child was sent home with a letter about how left-handedness is often associated with evil and the devil.
More… kfor.com

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Sep 21, 2015 • 9:24:30pm

re: #20 Teukka

Snipped off the presses:

OKEMAH, Okla. — A 4-year-old was allegedly forced by his teacher to write with his right hand, even though he’s left-handed. The child was sent home with a letter about how left-handedness is often associated with evil and the devil.
More… kfor.com

Shit! In 2015? I guess having three left-handed Presidents in a row, including St. Ronaldus Maximus didn’t do any good.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Sep 21, 2015 • 9:24:55pm

re: #20 Teukka

Snipped off the presses:

OKEMAH, Okla. — A 4-year-old was allegedly forced by his teacher to write with his right hand, even though he’s left-handed. The child was sent home with a letter about how left-handedness is often associated with evil and the devil.
More… kfor.com

Oh, that teacher can fuck the hell off.

It’s 2015. As a proud lefty who has two parents who are lefties and two best friends who are lefties I say to that 4-year old: Keeping being awesome!

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darthstar  Sep 21, 2015 • 9:25:59pm

It’s time for the judge to say “Fuck you bigoted lady” and lock her up. Let people cry about her rights and Jesus…just let her spend a few weeks in county lockup while she’s forgotten. And I can guarantee her pod-mates will be saying, “Are you fuckin’ crazy? Just let people get married you idiot!”

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Dark_Falcon  Sep 21, 2015 • 9:28:13pm

Every once in a great while there’s a corporate decision I can’t help but call indefensibly greedy. This is one of them:

Global outrage and disgust as ex-hedge funder, 32, buys rights to AIDS drug and raises price 5500% from $13.50 to $750 per pill

Martin Shkreli, 32, founder and chief executive of Turing Pharmaceuticals, purchased the rights to Daraprim in August for $55million
He raised the price of the drug form $13.50 per tablet to $750 per tablet
Since the announcement, people across social media have criticized the price increase
Shkreli has backed the decision, saying that his company ‘needed to turn a profit on the drug’
Daraprim treats toxoplasmois, an opportunistic parasitic infection that can cause serious and life-threatening problems
Hillary Clinton weighed in on the issue, calling the price hike ‘outrageous’
Shkreli called the editor of Fierce Biotech ‘a moron’ after he questioned the CEO’s reasoning behind increasing the price of Daraprim

One of the worst enemies of capitalism is a capitalist who gets stupid-greedy.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Sep 21, 2015 • 9:30:43pm

re: #24 Dark_Falcon

Every once in a great while there’s a corporate decision I can’t help but call indefensibly greedy. This is one of them:

Global outrage and disgust as ex-hedge funder, 32, buys rights to AIDS drug and raises price 5500% from $13.50 to $750 per pill

Martin Shkreli, 32, founder and chief executive of Turing Pharmaceuticals, purchased the rights to Daraprim in August for $55million
He raised the price of the drug form $13.50 per tablet to $750 per tablet
Since the announcement, people across social media have criticized the price increase
Shkreli has backed the decision, saying that his company ‘needed to turn a profit on the drug’
Daraprim treats toxoplasmois, an opportunistic parasitic infection that can cause serious and life-threatening problems
Hillary Clinton weighed in on the issue, calling the price hike ‘outrageous’
Shkreli called the editor of Fierce Biotech ‘a moron’ after he questioned the CEO’s reasoning behind increasing the price of Daraprim

One of the worst enemies of capitalism is a capitalist who gets stupid-greedy.

We discussed this at length downstairs but yes, the guys a major douchebag making a major douchebag move.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Sep 21, 2015 • 9:32:23pm

The problem is I think Shkreli is an egotist and really only doing this for the attention. I wouldn’t be surprised if he backs down in a few days by which point he’ll have gotten a shit ton of exposure because of the media.

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The War TARDIS  Sep 21, 2015 • 9:34:36pm

re: #19 jaunte

Islam in the US is now growing at Break-neck pace, through a combination of High-Fertility, high Immigration, and High Conversion rates.

This is why Evangelical Christians are now talking violence. They have competition.

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Teukka  Sep 21, 2015 • 9:36:33pm

re: #25 Eclectic Cyborg

We discussed this at length downstairs but yes, the guys a major douchebag making a major douchebag move.

The worst part is that I’m seeing some on the right side of the religio-political spectrum actually cheering him on :(

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Dark_Falcon  Sep 21, 2015 • 9:36:49pm

re: #25 Eclectic Cyborg

We discussed this at length downstairs but yes, the guys a major douchebag making a major douchebag move.

I figured that might have happened but I wanted to get in a kick on this ass before someone demanded to know what I think about it. This way I’m on the record as opposing it, and I get to put in my own words why I don’t like this massive tool of a CEO.

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William Lewis  Sep 21, 2015 • 9:37:57pm

re: #29 Dark_Falcon

I figured that might have happened but I wanted to get in a kick on this ass before someone demanded to know what I think about it. This way I’m on the record as opposing it, and I get to put in my own words why I don’t like this massive tool of a CEO.

He’s a good example of what Marx believed about Capitalism isn’t he? < whistles innocently >

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The_Mess  Sep 21, 2015 • 9:39:15pm

It’s popcorn time: gph.is

Davis will likely be before the court this week and probably heading back to jail. What she needs though is a better legal team who wont give her stupid legal advice like the Liberty Council asswits.

And the really stupid thing - after Loving v. Virginia there wasn’t this level of self-martyrdom and grandstanding. The racists whined, the clerks issued marriages and only Alabama tried and failed to enforce the laws Loving v. Virginia stuck down.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Sep 21, 2015 • 9:40:06pm

re: #30 William Lewis

He’s a good example of what Marx believed about Capitalism isn’t he? < whistles innocently >

Or Adam Smith, ftm.

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CriticalDragon1177  Sep 21, 2015 • 9:43:47pm

Wingnuts still haven’t given up their dream of removing a chunk of land from the United States, and starting a new nation where they don’t have to obey a supreme court that forces them to tolerate things like gay marriage.

WND Pundit: Conservative States Should Secede And Start A Godly Nation

Maybe Kim Davis could be their first president, assuming they even let women vote, or run for public office. Some wingnuts wish we never passed the 19th amendment.

‘I Don’t Believe In Women Voting’: Theodore Shoebat Declares That ‘Women Have No Place In Politics’

Thankfully, contrary to what they might believe, there’s no practically way that they could bring about the secession, and most Americans even in the reddest of red states, its doubtful are as extreme as the folks over at World Nut Daily!

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William Lewis  Sep 21, 2015 • 9:47:15pm

re: #32 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

Or Adam Smith, ftm.

Oh, any actual reader of Smith would know he’d be infuriated by actions like this. Especially in the light of The Theory of Moral Sentiments. The problem is that many on the right worship Smith but they do not study him any more than they actually study their bibles.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Sep 21, 2015 • 9:48:31pm

re: #33 CriticalDragon1177

Wingnuts still haven’t given up their dream of removing a chunk of land from the United States, and starting a new nation where they don’t have to obey a supreme court that forces them to tolerate things like gay marriage.

WND Pundit: Conservative States Should Secede And Start A Godly White Nation

FTFY

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Dark_Falcon  Sep 21, 2015 • 9:49:35pm

re: #32 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

Or Adam Smith, ftm.

Just so. Smith believe that regulations and received ideas of morality were needed to keep a capitalist system running in a decent fashion. he knew there would be assholes and that they had to be dealt with before they covered everything in crap.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Sep 21, 2015 • 9:50:21pm

re: #34 William Lewis

Oh, any actual reader of Smith would know he’d be infuriated by actions like this. Especially in the light of The Theory of Moral Sentiments. The problem is that many on the right worship Smith but they do not study him any more than they actually study their bibles.

Exactly. Adam “Free hand” Smith, as the ladies called him (sarc), understood a completely free market would lead to abuses, given human nature. So, he was against monopolies and cartels, and for government regulation to prevent abuse.

Free marketeers forget those tiny details.

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Joe Bacon  Sep 21, 2015 • 9:51:04pm

re: #4 ComradeDread

I guess she needs more stories to fill out the ghostwritten book she’s going to make seven figures off of this holiday season.

Jesus must be so proud.

Just as I predicted! She’s going to make a mint from the book and she’ll have an annuity for life going from church to church giving her Te$tiMONEY for Je$u$!

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Dark_Falcon  Sep 21, 2015 • 9:52:24pm

re: #34 William Lewis

Oh, any actual reader of Smith would know he’d be infuriated by actions like this. Especially in the light of The Theory of Moral Sentiments. The problem is that many on the right worship Smith but they do not study him any more than they actually study their bibles.

Hayek ultimately came to see things in such a light as well. He never abandoned his faith in markets, but he came to understand that there is a limit to self-regulation.

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teleskiguy  Sep 21, 2015 • 9:53:01pm

These people are dangerously delusional. They’re trippin’ so hard and yet they aren’t on any drugs.

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Teukka  Sep 21, 2015 • 9:54:33pm

re: #40 teleskiguy

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These people are dangerously delusional. They’re trippin’ so hard and yet they aren’t on any drugs.

Yep. How long before they get the notion that “the others” are literarly out to get them?

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Sep 21, 2015 • 9:56:19pm

re: #32 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

Or Adam Smith, ftm.

AS believed that markets are there to serve the people, not the other way around. That part of his writing is blithely ignored by all those worshipers of the Invisible Hand.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Sep 21, 2015 • 9:56:31pm

re: #41 Teukka

Yep. How long before they get the notion that “the others” are literarly out to get them?

Eh, I think we’re past that already…

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Teukka  Sep 21, 2015 • 9:59:02pm

re: #43 Eclectic Cyborg

Eh, I think we’re past that already…

Not in the sense that a majority the delusionals grab their guns and start firing at any “lib” they see…

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teleskiguy  Sep 21, 2015 • 10:00:08pm

re: #44 Teukka

Not in the sense that a majority the delusionals grab their guns and start firing at any “lib” they see…

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Teukka  Sep 21, 2015 • 10:01:47pm

re: #45 teleskiguy

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I didn’t say we were far off that point…

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Eclectic Cyborg  Sep 21, 2015 • 10:07:18pm

re: #44 Teukka

Not in the sense that a majority the delusionals grab their guns and start firing at any “lib” they see…

Ah, I see. Point taken.

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teleskiguy  Sep 21, 2015 • 10:14:24pm

re: #46 Teukka

I didn’t say we were far off that point…

I’m not worried. I live in a mish-mash of Red-Blue America, rural Colorado but close enough to a huge ski area that I’m not completely surrounded by rednecks. I do live in hillbilly country, to be sure. What I’m saying is the folks that I interact with that are decidedly not liberal, they’ve been railing against the Obama era as good as any RedState commenter. They’ve been all talk, no action.

And another reason I think everything is going to be alright is this: In my lifetime I’ve witnessed conservatives in the United States stay true to their convictions and do exactly as they say at all times.

NOT!

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teleskiguy  Sep 21, 2015 • 10:33:51pm

GeneJockey was showing off his sweet red bicycle yesterday. I was like “I’ve got a sweet red bicycle too!” and tried to find a picture of my bike to share on the board. I couldn’t find any on my hard drives. I found out last night that all the pictures of my bike are real photographs or on my phone.

I found one in my Instagram. Me and my badass bright red bicycle on the Continental Divide in the middle of a 36-mile bike ride.

Santa Cruz Blur frame, one DT Swiss wheel (the other one was stolen) one Mavic DISC wheel, Shimano XT shifters, crank, wheel hubs, and hydraulic disc brakes, SRAM cassette (27 speed), Cane Creek headset, Easton seatpost and handlebars, Fox front and rear shocks. I’ve changed a lot of the parts (due to theft and wear&tear) on the bike since I bought it about a decade ago.

I love this bike.

instagram.com

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Blind Frog Belly White  Sep 21, 2015 • 10:37:40pm

re: #49 teleskiguy

GeneJockey was showing off his sweet red bicycle yesterday. I was like “I’ve got a sweet red bicycle too!” and tried to find a picture of my bike to share on the board. I couldn’t find any on my hard drives. I found out last night that all the pictures of my bike are real photographs or on my phone.

I found one in my Instagram. Me and my badass bright red bicycle on the Continental Divide in the middle of a 36-mile bike ride.

Santa Cruz Blur frame, one DT Swiss wheel (the other one was stolen) one Mavic DISC wheel, Shimano XT shifters, crank, wheel hubs, and hydraulic disc brakes, SRAM cassette (27 speed), Cane Creek headset, Easton seatpost and handlebars, Fox front and rear shocks. I’ve changed a lot of the parts (due to theft and wear&tear) on the bike since I bought in about a decade ago.

I love this bike.

instagram.com

Nice bike! Bet it weighs more than Dreadnought!

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teleskiguy  Sep 21, 2015 • 10:38:15pm

re: #50 Blind Frog Belly White

Nice bike! Bet it weighs more than Dreadnought!

29 lbs.!

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teleskiguy  Sep 21, 2015 • 10:44:24pm

re: #50 Blind Frog Belly White

Nice bike! Bet it weighs more than Dreadnought!

You should see some of these “downhill” mountain bicycles. They’re basically dirt bikes without the motor and can weigh up to 50 lbs.!

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Kragar  Sep 21, 2015 • 11:43:20pm
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Kragar  Sep 21, 2015 • 11:47:07pm

The big news in Texas right now is that George P Bush, son of a JebBush, got elected Land Commissioner in Texas and is violating the law, hiring his friends and family, not posting jobs, and has turned the Texas General Land office to a frat house / political payoff machine that even has his retired Republican predecessor aghast.

He’s a damn Bush, people. What the hell did you expect?

If you didn’t want someone acting like a damn Bush, why the fool tarnation did you elect a damn Bush?

Personnel records show that Bush has directed at least 40 external hires between November 2014 and July 2015 but listed only four of those with the Workforce Commission.

The average salary for those four jobs was about $65,000. The average salary for the 36 jobs that were not posted was about $90,000.

Ten jobs went to campaign aides, including temporary transition director, Trey Newton, who made $17,500 per month, and the five regional outreach coordinators, who are making annual salaries of $55,000. Newton, the campaign engineer Bush once called “our Karl Rove,” left in January. He did not return a call seeking comment.

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teleskiguy  Sep 21, 2015 • 11:49:20pm

I don’t pay attention to Canada politics. There’s enough as it is at my twenty!

I saw this page by our Romantic Heretic. I thought it quite informative. I’m confident I have at least a peripheral view of Canada national politics, and they’re fighting a bunch of backward-assed motherfuckers too!

We Are Not Alone!

Frank Zappa - We Are Not Alone

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William Lewis  Sep 21, 2015 • 11:51:41pm

re: #54 Kragar

The more I learn of the Bush clan, the more I realize that GHWBush was the exception and his sons are back to the same old same old. He was the only one of them who actually believed enough to risk his life for this nation. Pity the rest of that family has enough money to do so much damage to the nation instead.

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teleskiguy  Sep 21, 2015 • 11:57:33pm

re: #56 William Lewis

The Bush years, to me, are an enormous transfer of wealth that was overseen by Dick Cheney.

I’m not a conspiratorial type of person, Dick Cheney though. When I think of sheer power and greed in our times, Dick Cheney really is Darth Vader.

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William Lewis  Sep 22, 2015 • 12:02:17am

Here’s a a nice commentary on Reagan…

Gaslight Anthem - Bonzo Goes To Bitburg on Southside 2013

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Nyet  Sep 22, 2015 • 12:42:32am

I’m a realist and I understand that trying to punish the people in power for any and all violations of law is a fool’s errand. Some measure of lawbreaking (or at least being in the grey zone) comes with the territory.

But torture is where I draw the line. I’m dead serious when I say that everyone responsible for torture should face a public trial, starting with Bush and Cheney.

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William Lewis  Sep 22, 2015 • 12:45:33am

re: #59 Nyet

We, as a nation, executed people for using water boarding on our soldiers. Yet those two evil fucks claim that it’s acceptable? No, so sorry. President Cheney & Puppet Bush need to face the same consequences that those Japanese military personnel did.

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Higgs Boson's Mate  Sep 22, 2015 • 12:57:25am

re: #59 Nyet

I’m a realist and I understand that trying to punish the people in power for any and all violations of law is a fool’s errand. Some measure of lawbreaking (or at least being in the grey zone) comes with the territory.

But torture is where I draw the line. I’m dead serious when I say that everyone responsible for torture should face a public trial, starting with Bush and Cheney.

It was astonishing to me that they didn’t seem to understand, or else they didn’t care, that legitimatizing waterboarding put our people in the field in the way of it should they be captured. At the time I wondered if they were going to take a second look at poison gas and germ warfare as well. The whole thing was even more disturbing when one of them referred to the Geneva Conventions as “antique documents.”

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teleskiguy  Sep 22, 2015 • 1:13:16am
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Eventual Carrion  Sep 22, 2015 • 3:09:38am

re: #33 CriticalDragon1177

Wingnuts still haven’t given up their dream of removing a chunk of land from the United States, and starting a new nation where they don’t have to obey a supreme court that forces them to tolerate things like gay marriage.

WND Pundit: Conservative States Should Secede And Start A Godly Nation

[snip]

They can’t have any part of the US for their fever dream. They should go to Guyana, I hear that’s a good place to start something like that.

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Nojay UK  Sep 22, 2015 • 3:30:28am

re: #56 William Lewis

George Prescott Bush (or as his family consiglieres call him, “47” — his grandfather GHW was 41 and his uncle GW was 43) has already ticked the military service box in his resume. Deployment to a combat zone was not part of it but he has actually served in the uniform of the United States military. Details are scarce — performing a Google search on his name brings up “Some results may have been removed under data protection law in Europe.” which is usually an indicator that someone has claimed the “right to be forgotten” by search engines for *something*. It is rumoured that his full name includes a reference to the Hispanic side of his family but this has been airbrushed out of online references such as Wikipedia.

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Decatur Deb  Sep 22, 2015 • 4:13:03am

re: #49 teleskiguy

GeneJockey was ,,,.snip.. I found out last night that all the pictures of my bike are real photographs or on my phone.
…snip
I love this bike.

instagram.com

Welcome to the Fogey Side of the digital divide.

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Decatur Deb  Sep 22, 2015 • 4:15:07am

re: #63 Eventual Carrion

They can’t have any part of the US for their fever dream. They should go to Guyana, I hear that’s a good place to start something like that.

Won’t be the first time…

thedailybeast.com

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Rocky-in-Connecticut  Sep 22, 2015 • 4:32:22am

re: #9 jaunte

“Not in the World” is a typically Southern Christian Fundamentalist trope I am very familiar with having grown up in that subculture.

In their specific belief system, as a Christian you are supposed to separate yourself from “the world” and only concern yourself about JEEZUS… except for the part about acquiring as much $$$ money as possible. Then you are free to involve yourself with “the world” at will.

What it is actually is a fundamental cornerstone of a belief system based on fear. Fear of change, fear of outside competition, fear of competing ideologies, and fear of Science.

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Doofus  Sep 22, 2015 • 4:44:43am

It’s that time of year, moose mating season!
Looking for love in all the wrong places, looking for love in too many faces..
c’mon sing it!!

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Sep 22, 2015 • 4:53:28am

re: #67 Rocky-in-Connecticut

“Not in the World” is a typically Southern Christian Fundamentalist trope I am very familiar with having grown up in that subculture.

In their specific belief system, as a Christian you are supposed to separate yourself from “the world” and only concern yourself about JEEZUS… except for the part about acquiring as much $$$ money as possible. Then you are free to involve yourself with “the world” at will.

What it is actually is a fundamental cornerstone of a belief system based on fear. Fear of change, fear of outside competition, fear of competing ideologies, and fear of Science.

It’s the usual dichotomy in fundie thinking. To not “be in the world” but at the same time extract money from it, so you can live apart from the world. Or something.

If KD really wanted to be outside the world, she wouldn’t be working as a public servant, dealing with those “in-worlders,” and meddling with their lives.

H as in hypocrite.

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Sep 22, 2015 • 4:57:22am

re: #69 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

It’s the usual dichotomy in fundie thinking. To not “be in the world” but at the same time extract money from it, so you can live apart from the world. Or something.

If KD really wanted to be outside the world, she wouldn’t be working as a public servant, dealing with those “in-worlders,” and meddling with their lives.

H as in hypocrite.

Shut up and render unto fucking Caesar. you will have your turn in Heaven.

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Shiplord Kirel  Sep 22, 2015 • 4:59:55am

Got some bad news this weekend. My brother Judas and his wife Jezebel (who is my ex-wife) were arrested and jailed in some kind of insurance fraud scheme.

So, what’s the bad news?

The bad news is that my daughter, who is also Jezebel’s daughter, put up a large part of her family’s savings to bail the miscreants out of the slammer and they are now running around loose again.

Since crucifixion is illegal, I am not sure what I will do if they jump bail but they would be most ill advised to do so.

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Sep 22, 2015 • 5:05:58am

re: #71 Shiplord Kirel

we assume these are pseudonyms…

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A Mom Anon  Sep 22, 2015 • 5:07:20am

re: #71 Shiplord Kirel

They sound like a lovely couple. Nope. Sigh. On the one hand, Karma seems to be rolling where it should, on the other, it looks like your daughter is going to lose a portion of her life savings at the hand of her mom. I’m not sure whether to cheer or feel sad. I can only imagine your feelings. Ack.

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ObserverArt  Sep 22, 2015 • 5:09:34am

Morning!

I planned on posting a bit, but right now I am so bummed by how the site is loading and working it is almost unusable. One failed loading attempt that was going on for close to ten minutes. Close down browser, reload, then flash crashes, outside content loading and loading and loading and taking 5 minutes to type this response is just not fun.

So, I’ll just hi and move on. Love you guys…try again later.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Sep 22, 2015 • 5:11:16am

re: #71 Shiplord Kirel

Got some bad news this weekend. My brother Judas and his wife Jezebel (who is my ex-wife) were arrested and jailed in some kind of insurance fraud scheme.

So, what’s the bad news?

The bad news is that my daughter, who is also Jezebel’s daughter, put up a large part of her family’s savings to bail the miscreants out of the slammer and they are now running around loose again.

Since crucifixion is illegal, I am not sure what I will do if they jump bail but they would be most ill advised to do so.

I remember your tales of J&J, and somehow the idea they’re mixed up with an insurance scam really is not too surprising. Often the most judgmental of others have something of their own to be guilty about.

Their daughter is enabling them, and I feel sorry for her. Like addicts, they will drain her bank account and her emotional well being.

Do they have passports?

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Sep 22, 2015 • 5:12:59am

re: #74 ObserverArt

Morning!

I planned on posting a bit, but right now I am so bummed by how the site is loading and working it is almost unusable. One failed loading attempt that was going on for close to ten minutes. Close down browser, reload, then flash crashes, outside content loading and loading and loading and taking 5 minutes to type this response is just not fun.

So, I’ll just hi and move on. Love you guys…try again later.

I know it’s somewhat sacrilegious to suggest this, but as an experiment, install an ad blocker plugin and see if that helps.

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Dark_Falcon  Sep 22, 2015 • 5:29:31am

re: #68 Doofus

It’s that time of year, moose mating season!
Looking for love in all the wrong places, looking for love in too many faces..
c’mon sing it!!

Sarah Palin’s response to that story: “Why’d they just tranq that moose? That yearling was still big enough to be dinner for that whole team, you betcha!”

/Never too early to get in a zinger on Princess Dumbass of the North Woods.

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Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Sep 22, 2015 • 5:29:59am
On Friday, the lawyer for Deputy Clerk Brian Mason, who has been issuing licenses since Davis was jailed, told the court Davis confiscated the licenses upon her return and gave him a document that removed references to Rowan County and Davis’ office and required him to list his title as a notary public.

offs

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Timothy Watson  Sep 22, 2015 • 5:38:53am

re: #76 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

I know it’s somewhat sacrilegious to suggest this, but as an experiment, install an ad blocker plugin and see if that helps.

I use this handy thing, blocks ads and other problem websites (does cause the occasion problem with stuff like Google ad results on a Google search):
winhelp2002.mvps.org

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Bird in the Paw  Sep 22, 2015 • 5:42:33am

re: #62 teleskiguy

That is really cool. I love camouflage bugs and mammals.

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freetoken  Sep 22, 2015 • 5:46:56am

re: #74 ObserverArt

Sorry you’re having problems. I’m using Chrome on an old Mac and LGF loads just fine, though there are several Flash and ad-heavy sites that cause Chrome to hang extensively (blogtalkradio being one of them.)

Sometimes the memory problems of Chrome really come into play for me, such as when looking at scanned books at FamilySearch, where I have to use Firefox or else Chrome just eats up gigabytes of RAM.

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lawhawk  Sep 22, 2015 • 5:50:43am

Kim Davis. Equal opportunity offender. Apparently she refused to marry friends of her who happen to be gay.

My guess? They ought to be ex-friends, because friends wouldn’t treat friends as second class citizens and deprive them of the rights conferred on them through the civil marriage license.

A civil marriage license gives the spouses rights to inherit, make medical decisions, provides tax and insurance benefits, etc.

And it has absolutely nothing to do with religious views. Or affects your personal marriage or your personal beliefs. If you don’t want to marry someone of the same sex, no one is forcing you to do it. No one is forcing a priest to officiate a SSM. But a govt official is obligated to issue the license because refusing to do so is a clear violation of the 1A by imposing their religious beliefs on others.

Davis’ continued obstructionism and interference is a clear violation of the judge’s orders, and should result in her going back to jail for contempt of court. Receivership should be in order.

This has nothing to do with interfering with her religious beliefs. She’s the one imposing them on others through her government position. She’s in the wrong job. Get behind a podium and lead a congregation of bigots - not run a county clerk’s office.

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Dark_Falcon  Sep 22, 2015 • 5:53:35am

re: #82 lawhawk

Yeah, the judge ought to give her a month in jail, long enough for the news cycle to have long moved on and for the wingnuts to go away. Then her crazy lawyers will do the same and hopefully she’ll be chastened enough to do her job without them egging her on.

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lawhawk  Sep 22, 2015 • 6:01:30am

This is just the tip of the iceberg - so why VW is setting aside billions to deal with the mess of their own creation, they face potentially even higher fines and costs in the US alone.

Frankly, they deserve to see the maximum fines imposed. They were actively working to evade emissions control requirements in the US (and potentially elsewhere), and this was a decision made that reaches into the highest levels of the company. It’s fraud and criminal charges should apply.

Massive fines shouldn’t be enough here - people deserve jail time for it, though I know that white collar crimes simply don’t get the punishments they frequently deserve.

The fines, which should be multibillion dollar amounts, should all be applied to mass transit infrastructure projects nationally.

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Dark_Falcon  Sep 22, 2015 • 6:04:02am

Your morning war video:

How not to clear an open bolt weapon system:

How not to clear an open bolt weapon system

The footage was shot at Camp Bastion, Afghanistan, in 2013. The gun is as MG3, a German machine gun that is a direct descendant of the MG42.

Full story here.

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Dark_Falcon  Sep 22, 2015 • 6:07:26am

re: #84 lawhawk

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This is just the tip of the iceberg - so why VW is setting aside billions to deal with the mess of their own creation, they face potentially even higher fines and costs in the US alone.

Frankly, they deserve to see the maximum fines imposed. They were actively working to evade emissions control requirements in the US (and potentially elsewhere), and this was a decision made that reaches into the highest levels of the company. It’s fraud and criminal charges should apply.

Massive fines shouldn’t be enough here - people deserve jail time for it, though I know that white collar crimes simply don’t get the punishments they frequently deserve.

The fines, which should be multibillion dollar amounts, should all be applied to mass transit infrastructure projects nationally.

The decisions were made by German nationals, which means Germany would get first crack at them, criminally.

The ‘gate’ suffix here actually fits better than it normally does, for this story is about lies and a cover-up.

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Romantic Heretic  Sep 22, 2015 • 6:09:39am

re: #34 William Lewis

Oh, any actual reader of Smith would know he’d be infuriated by actions like this. Especially in the light of The Theory of Moral Sentiments. The problem is that many on the right worship Smith but they do not study him any more than they actually study their bibles.

He is not a wise and good man that does not at all time prefer the public interest to his own. - Adam Smith

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Belafon  Sep 22, 2015 • 6:10:09am

#22 Eclectic Cyborg:

When I started school back in ‘75, my mom, who is also left handed, went to the school and told the teachers that she didn’t want to hear of them even trying to get me to use right handed scissors.

That parents would still have to do that in 2015 is infuriating. Luckily, I have not had to do that for my youngest, who is also left handed.

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Iwouldprefernotto  Sep 22, 2015 • 6:10:53am

We didn’t go after the bankers, but we did get this turd.

Peanut Company Exec Sentenced to Prison

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Romantic Heretic  Sep 22, 2015 • 6:13:15am

re: #37 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

Exactly. Adam “Free hand” Smith, as the ladies called him (sarc), understood a completely free market would lead to abuses, given human nature. So, he was against monopolies and cartels, and for government regulation to prevent abuse.

Free marketeers forget those tiny details.

Free marketers forget that the ‘free market’ is entirely a creation of human beings. There is no such thing as a free market in nature. It is society, through the instrumentation of government that creates the market, decides what it can and cannot do.

What ‘free marketers’ want is the law of the jungle under the misapprehension that they’ll be the top predators. They’re usually kidding themselves.

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Dark_Falcon  Sep 22, 2015 • 6:14:05am

re: #89 Iwouldprefernotto

We didn’t go after the bankers, but we did get this turd.

Peanut Company Exec Sentenced to Prison

That’s because this guy did something that was a direct cause of people dying. The anger and punishment will always be greater when lives have been lost, which is as it should be.

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Belafon  Sep 22, 2015 • 6:14:15am

87 Romantic Heretic:

I went to look up your quote and then found this:

The prudent man always studies seriously and earnestly to understand whatever he professes to understand, and not merely to persuade other people that he understands it; and though his talents may not always be very brilliant, they are always perfectly genuine. He neither endeavours to impose upon you by the cunning devices of an artful impostor, nor by the arrogant airs of an assuming pedant, nor by the confident assertions of a superficial and imprudent pretender.</blocqkuote>

It’s a great quote, and I live the swipe at pedants.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Sep 22, 2015 • 6:15:01am

re: #88 Belafon

#22 Eclectic Cyborg:

When I started school back in ‘75, my mom, who is also left handed, went to the school and told the teachers that she didn’t want to hear of them even trying to get me to use right handed scissors.

That parents would still have to do that in 2015 is infuriating. Luckily, I have not had to do that for my youngest, who is also left handed.

My mom was left handed, but her teachers made her write with her right hand. Her handwriting was pretty bad.

Some of my Chinese students have told me the same thing. Teachers force them to write their characters with their right hands. Not all do. I’m not sure whether there is some superstition about left-handedness at play, or whether the rules of writing the characters (stroke order) are believed to require right-handedness.

When I took lessons in writing characters, my teacher (also my friend) was quite insistent I HAD TO WRITE THE CHARACTERS THIS WAY!! I have no idea what would have happened if I were left-handed.

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Dark_Falcon  Sep 22, 2015 • 6:15:20am

re: #90 Romantic Heretic

Free marketers forget that the ‘free market’ is entirely a creation of human beings. There is no such thing as a free market in nature. It is society, through the instrumentation of government that creates the market, decides what it can and cannot do.

What ‘free marketers’ want is the law of the jungle under the misapprehension that they’ll be the top predators. They’re usually kidding themselves.

That’s what some people who talk about the free market want. But others, the actual free-market economists and the people who listen to them, know better.

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lawhawk  Sep 22, 2015 • 6:18:31am
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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Sep 22, 2015 • 6:20:16am

Latest development in the Kim Davis saga.
Couples who sued Kim Davis seek order halting use of altered marriage licenses

Read more here: kentucky.com

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Iwouldprefernotto  Sep 22, 2015 • 6:20:25am

I’m not supposed to, but I hate this man boy.

Conservatives are trying to hijack this tag, but plenty of woman are shouting them down with “no one is forcing you to have an abortion.” The anti-choice crowd looks lame when this happens.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Sep 22, 2015 • 6:21:51am

re: #96 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

Note that the story is slugged “crime” by the Herald-Leader.

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Great White Snark  Sep 22, 2015 • 6:23:13am

So not only did Volkswagen put a special cheat or defeat device onto it’s diesel engines but they had the gall to take US taxpayer green subsidies to pay for it. Or whatever they spent the money on… Paged

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Timothy Watson  Sep 22, 2015 • 6:26:46am

re: #97 Iwouldprefernotto

I’m not supposed to, but I hate this man boy.

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Conservatives are trying to hijack this tag, but plenty of woman are shouting them down with “no one is forcing you to have an abortion.” The anti-choice crowd looks lame when this happens.

I have no idea what he’s rambling about, but my usual reaction to Ben is: Shut up, you obnoxious twit.

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Shiplord Kirel  Sep 22, 2015 • 6:27:11am

Watch and see: If the right wing cannnot defend Volkswagen, they will find a way to blame this fiasco on Obama, Muslims, and Mexicans instead.

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darthstar  Sep 22, 2015 • 6:27:12am
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Timothy Watson  Sep 22, 2015 • 6:28:31am

re: #101 Shiplord Kirel

Watch and see: If the right wing cannnot defend Volkswagen, they will find a way to blame this fiasco on Obama, Muslims, and Mexicans instead.

The VWs will soon be the “hot car” for the ROLLING COAL mouthbreathers.

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Belafon  Sep 22, 2015 • 6:28:37am

#94 Dark_Falcon:

That’s what some people who talk about the free market want. But others, the actual free-market economists and the people who listen to them, know better.

Are any of these people Republicans and working at companies and not universities?

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SteveMcGaziBolaGate  Sep 22, 2015 • 6:29:59am

re: #88 Belafon

#22 Eclectic Cyborg:

When I started school back in ‘75, my mom, who is also left handed, went to the school and told the teachers that she didn’t want to hear of them even trying to get me to use right handed scissors.

That parents would still have to do that in 2015 is infuriating. Luckily, I have not had to do that for my youngest, who is also left handed.

I once bought left handed scissors for a new left handed employee. He couldn’t use them, because he was so used to using right handed scissors in his left hand.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Sep 22, 2015 • 6:30:34am

re: #101 Shiplord Kirel

Watch and see: If the right wing cannnot defend Volkswagen, they will find a way to blame this fiasco on Obama, Muslims, and Mexicans instead.

Those EPA regulations are an oppressive requirement for a major multinational corporation and should be eliminated NOW! Car exhaust is actually good for you. Don’t believe those left-wing scientists.

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Dark_Falcon  Sep 22, 2015 • 6:30:39am

re: #99 Great White Snark

So not only did Volkswagen put a special cheat or defeat device onto it’s diesel engines but hey had the gall to take US taxpayer green subsidies to pay for it. Or whatever they spent the money on… Paged

Thanks, Obama!

You know that’s coming. I fully expect to see wingnut pieces claiming Volkswagon was right to cheat to get the subsidies, thus “exposing the moral and intellectual bankruptcy of the Socialist Obama Administration”.

Its just sad and lame, but I know its coming.

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Decatur Deb  Sep 22, 2015 • 6:33:17am

re: #71 Shiplord Kirel

Got some bad news this weekend. My brother Judas and his wife Jezebel (who is my ex-wife) were arrested and jailed in some kind of insurance fraud scheme.

So, what’s the bad news?

The bad news is that my daughter, who is also Jezebel’s daughter, put up a large part of her family’s savings to bail the miscreants out of the slammer and they are now running around loose again.

Since crucifixion is illegal, I am not sure what I will do if they jump bail but they would be most ill advised to do so.

If you can’t steal enough to cover the bail you should explore other lines of work.

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SteveMcGaziBolaGate  Sep 22, 2015 • 6:34:41am

I prefer markets to be the mechanism that resolves economic issues, but the markets need a referee, and that’s where government has its role.

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Dark_Falcon  Sep 22, 2015 • 6:34:56am

re: #95 lawhawk

Well here’s a good thing you can say about her:

Carly Fiorina: Yes, a Muslim Can Be President

So do mark her as not going along with Ben Carson’s religious test for office.

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darthstar  Sep 22, 2015 • 6:36:14am

re: #110 Dark_Falcon

Well here’s a good thing you can say about her:

Carly Fiorina: Yes, a Muslim Can Be President

So do mark her as not going along with Ben Carson’s religious test for office.

Hey, sad news about your union/ISIS busting buddy. Well, looks like you’re down to Rubio and Kasich in the not-quite-insane-but-close crowd.

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lawhawk  Sep 22, 2015 • 6:37:28am

re: #107 Dark_Falcon

And one of the reasons that it took as long as it did for this to come to light is that the EPA allows car companies to self report their emissions data. They don’t have the funding to do the testing in-house. But they never expected a car company to engage in a cheat like this - and on this scale.

It came about because a bunch of independent researchers tried to figure out a discrepancy between what they got on emissions tests and what they got when the car actually drove in the real world.

The problem then isn’t that the EPA is over-regulating, but that they couldn’t do all the tests themselves.

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darthstar  Sep 22, 2015 • 6:39:00am
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Dark_Falcon  Sep 22, 2015 • 6:39:05am

re: #111 darthstar

Hey, sad news about your union/ISIS busting buddy. Well, looks like you’re down to Rubio and Kasich in the not-quite-insane-but-close crowd.

Meh. I knew Walker was done after the 2nd debate. He was just smart enough to realize that and clear the field.

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darthstar  Sep 22, 2015 • 6:40:26am

re: #114 Dark_Falcon

Meh. I knew Walker was done after the 2nd debate. He was just smart enough to realize that and clear the field.

Actually, his wife was smart enough…she called the meeting.

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lawhawk  Sep 22, 2015 • 6:41:52am

re: #110 Dark_Falcon

One positive tick versus a whole ledger of bugnuts crazy. Thanks but no thanks.

That someone actually has a broken clock moment doesn’t redeem them in my eyes.

It should be indisputable that there are no religious tests for office, and yet you’ve got a bunch of GOPers running for the WH espousing that very view.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Sep 22, 2015 • 6:42:28am

OT, but we were talking about the bias against dark skin in Asian countries. Here’s the latest version of Chinese sunscreen for the ladies. Only US$7!

Tres chic, n’est-ce pas?

Available in blue, white and tan, also!

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Belafon  Sep 22, 2015 • 6:42:50am

112 lawhawk:

What’s really funny is that it was found by a group that wanted to prove to Europe that even though the cars were following tougher US emission standards, a high mileage clean diesel car could be made: bloomberg.com:

The Volkswagens were spewing harmful exhaust when testers drove them on the road. In the lab, they were fine.

Discrepancies in the European tests on the diesel models of the VW Passat, the VW Jetta and the BMW X5 last year gave Peter Mock an idea.

Mock, European managing director of a little-known clean-air group, suggested replicating the tests in the U.S. The U.S. has higher emissions standards than the rest of the world and a history of enforcing them, so Mock and his American counterpart, John German, were sure the U.S. versions of the vehicles would pass the emissions tests, German said. That way, they reasoned, they could show Europeans it was possible for diesel cars to run clean.

“We had no cause for suspicion,” German, U.S. co-lead of the International Council on Clean Transportation, said in an interview. “We thought the vehicles would be clean.”

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lawhawk  Sep 22, 2015 • 6:43:29am

re: #114 Dark_Falcon

I knew Walker was done at the beginning of the summer. By the time of the first debate, you could see he was toast. His polling evaporated, and he had nothing. He was an awful candidate, but then again no worse than those who are still left - like Jindal, Pataki, Santorum, or Huckabee or Graham. But because he was spending more than those guys, he had to bow out first.

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Sep 22, 2015 • 6:43:46am

re: #118 Belafon

112 lawhawk:

What’s really funny is that it was found by a group that wanted to prove to Europe that even though the cars were following tougher US emission standards, a high mileage clean diesel car could be made: bloomberg.com:

“We had no cause for suspicion,” German, U.S. co-lead of the International Council on Clean Transportation, said in an interview. “We thought the vehicles would be clean.”

Clean coal!!!

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Dark_Falcon  Sep 22, 2015 • 6:46:16am

Sat imagery confirms 12 Russian SU-25 ‘Frogfoot’ ground-attack aircraft on the tarmac in Syria. These are the same type of planes Russia sold to Iraq for use against the so-called ‘Islamic State’.

The photo also shows 7 Mil Mi-24 ‘Hind’ gunship helicopters, a type whose fearsome reputation precedes it.

You don’t put this much tactical airpower in place unless you’re going to pound some people on the ground.

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Dark_Falcon  Sep 22, 2015 • 6:48:43am

re: #117 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

OT, but we were talking about the bias against dark skin in Asian countries. Here’s the latest version of Chinese sunscreen for the ladies. Only US$7!

[Embedded content]

Tres chic, n’est-ce pas?

Available in blue, white and tan, also!

Wear that going into a bank in North America and people will think you’re planning to rob it.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Sep 22, 2015 • 6:49:45am

re: #122 Dark_Falcon

Wear that going into a bank in North America and people will think you’re planning to rob it.

Or you’re some kind of trendy Muslima. /

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Sep 22, 2015 • 6:50:15am

re: #122 Dark_Falcon

Wear that going into a bank in North America and people will think you’re planning to rob it.

Wear that to a Trump rally in the USA and people will think you are a Muslima!

(WD beat me by 30 seconds!)

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Higgs Boson's Mate  Sep 22, 2015 • 6:53:30am

re: #99 Great White Snark

The VW situation for non-gearheads:
VW loaded two profiles into the computer that manages its 2.4 liter turbodiesel engines. One was the testing profile, which made the engine run lean and clean to pass the tests, the other was tailored for performance and it results in emissions 10X to 40X the limit - it also gave VW’s turbodiesels far better performance than the test profile. Performance was worlds better than similar engines from VW’s competitors and no one could figure out how VW was doing it.

VW cheated. The traction and braking systems on many cars requires that the car’s computer be put into test mode or it’s mechanically impossible to smog check the car. The computer does badly when incoming data is that the drive wheels are doing 35MPH and the non-driven ones are standing still, which is exactly what happens when a car is put on the dyno for testing. VW set things up so that the lean and clean profile was applied when the car was put into test mode and then switched back to performance when the car was taken out of test mode. That’s why it’s taken a few years for them to be caught out: the cars were set up to run perfectly for performance and also perfectly for testing. That wasn’t possible before computerized engine management and I’d be very surprised if VW was the only one using the technique.

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Dark_Falcon  Sep 22, 2015 • 6:53:51am

re: #121 Dark_Falcon

Some good news as far as ground attack is that DARPA is doing its part to keep the A-10 ahead of the SU-25:

PCAS Prototype Completes Successful Tests on A-10 Thunderbolt II Fighter

DARPA recently demonstrated its Persistent Close Air Support (PCAS) prototype system on an A-10 Thunderbolt II attack aircraft, marking the system’s debut on a U.S. Air Force platform. The tests, which involved 50 successful sorties near Nellis Air Force Base in Nevada, showed that a warfighter serving as a joint terminal attack controller (JTAC) on the ground could, in seamless coordination with a pilot, successfully command an airstrike with as few as three clicks on a tablet.

The PCAS program envisions more precise, prompt and easy air-ground coordination for close air support (CAS)—delivery of airborne munitions to support ground forces—and other missions under stressful operational conditions and in complex environments. It aims to do so through the development of a system that enables the sharing of real-time situational awareness and weapons-systems data, using technologies compatible with almost any aircraft. Among the system’s envisioned benefits is a capacity to use smaller munitions to hit smaller, multiple or moving targets while minimizing the incidence of friendly fire and collateral damage.

During the recent A-10 tests, ten of the sorties featured live-fire weapons engagements using a mixture of laser- and GPS-guided munitions—all of which were completed successfully within the six-minute goal the program has set. Coordination was enabled by PCAS-Ground software running on customized tablet computers working in conjunction with PCAS-Air, an onboard, automated targeting system. PCAS tactical datalinks facilitated data sharing between the pilot and JTAC to determine the timed release of precision-guided munitions.

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It's on his hat!  Sep 22, 2015 • 6:56:37am

re: #125 Higgs Boson’s Mate

I drive a ‘12 Jetta TDI.

I am not happy with this development.

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Dark_Falcon  Sep 22, 2015 • 6:57:28am

And since I’ve been talking fighters, here’s some F-35 action shots. Enjoy ‘em, we’ve all paid for ‘em.

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The Vicious Babushka  Sep 22, 2015 • 6:57:42am

re: #117 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

OT, but we were talking about the bias against dark skin in Asian countries. Here’s the latest version of Chinese sunscreen for the ladies. Only US$7!

Embedded Image

Tres chic, n’est-ce pas?

Available in blue, white and tan, also!

But uncovered arms.

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Belafon  Sep 22, 2015 • 6:58:48am

#125 Higgs Boson’s Mate:

Except this statement “I’d be very surprised if VW was the only one using the technique” is contradicted by “Performance was worlds better than similar engines from VW’s competitors and no one could figure out how VW was doing it.”

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 22, 2015 • 7:00:55am
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Iwouldprefernotto  Sep 22, 2015 • 7:01:43am

re: #128 Dark_Falcon

And since I’ve been talking fighters, here’s some F-35 action shots. Enjoy ‘em, we’ve all paid for ‘em.

But are they keeping us safe? And when I say safe I don’t mean it the same way that JEB does.

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Higgs Boson's Mate  Sep 22, 2015 • 7:04:20am

re: #130 Belafon

Other manufacturers may well tinker around the edges of their engine management profiles while keeping them within emissions specs most of the time. VW seems to have so much needed that engine to be a big hit that they went overboard.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Sep 22, 2015 • 7:05:56am

re: #129 The Vicious Babushka

But uncovered arms.

Oh, they have covers for those, too!

I’d drop an image in here, but something is not working right.

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Dark_Falcon  Sep 22, 2015 • 7:07:06am

re: #132 Iwouldprefernotto

But are they keeping us safe? And when I say safe I don’t mean it the same way that JEB does.

They’re being used to train the pilots who will use them to keep us safe.

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The Vicious Babushka  Sep 22, 2015 • 7:07:14am

re: #134 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

Oh, they have covers for those, too!

I’d drop an image in here, but something is not working right.

Yeah they’re called “sleeves” and they come attached to shirts.

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lawhawk  Sep 22, 2015 • 7:07:46am

No word on whether Rubio would endorse Huckabee or Santorum or Carson though, even though they’re proposing the same kind of theocratic imposition of religion through government acts. But instead of Islam, it’s a version of Christianity that subjugates everyone to their religious worldviews and fantasies.

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Dark_Falcon  Sep 22, 2015 • 7:09:48am

BBL

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Higgs Boson's Mate  Sep 22, 2015 • 7:10:04am

re: #132 Iwouldprefernotto

But are they keeping us safe? And when I say safe I don’t mean it the same way that JEB does.

Recently, the Marine Corps F35s couldn’t meet accepted operational readiness metrics (60% of aircraft available for flight) for even a few days. This was despite having a couple of dozen factory support people on hand and a chain of V22s to ferry out replacement parts.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Sep 22, 2015 • 7:10:29am

re: #136 The Vicious Babushka

Yeah they’re called “sleeves” and they come attached to shirts.

My thought exactly. But for some reason, people here buy short sleeve shirts, and then buy these sleeve thingies, too. They’re available for men or women, but mostly I see women using them, especially when driving scooters or motorcycles, or even taxis.

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SteveMcGaziBolaGate  Sep 22, 2015 • 7:10:49am

re: #126 Dark_Falcon

That’s silly. The A-10 does not have to defeat the SU-25, it has to defeat AAA and SAM’s while attacking ground targets.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Sep 22, 2015 • 7:13:36am

Sleeve thingies

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Iwouldprefernotto  Sep 22, 2015 • 7:15:45am

re: #135 Dark_Falcon

They’re being used to train the pilots who will use them to keep us safe.

Good to know, because on 9/11 we were attacked with men with box cutters. You know this plane is much more expensive than justified. The cold war is over my friend.

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Higgs Boson's Mate  Sep 22, 2015 • 7:17:40am

re: #141 SteveMcGaziBolaGate

That’s silly. The A-10 does not have to defeat the SU-25, it has to defeat AAA and SAM’s while attacking ground targets.

A dogfight between them would look like something out of WWII.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 22, 2015 • 7:18:01am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 22, 2015 • 7:18:43am
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SteelPH  Sep 22, 2015 • 7:19:00am

re: #145 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Crocodile tears.

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lawhawk  Sep 22, 2015 • 7:19:07am

And there’s a reason that the Constitution includes the prohibition on religious tests for office and the 1A - because of bigots like Carson (or Kim Davis) who want to impose their religious views on everyone else. The Founders understood the dual problems of a religious theocracy, and where government imposed religious beliefs were a bad thing. That’s what many came to the Colonies to escape - religious persecution.

Carson once again shows he’s unfit for office.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Sep 22, 2015 • 7:19:20am

VW learned from Samsung’s Benchmark test fraud. Unfortunately for them, they ran up against some people who care about how things behave in the real world. Fandroids only care about having some higher number to quote when insulting “sheeple” who buy iPhones.

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Higgs Boson's Mate  Sep 22, 2015 • 7:23:34am

re: #143 Iwouldprefernotto

Good to know, because on 9/11 we were attacked with men with box cutters. You know this plane is much more expensive than justified. The cold war is over my friend.

The F35 is the last desperate attempt by the hero pilot establishment to avoid being replaced by drones. It isn’t the first aircraft design to attempt too much, it’s just the most expensive one.

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lawhawk  Sep 22, 2015 • 7:25:39am

re: #144 Higgs Boson’s Mate

Take the guns on the F-35. They’re essential for close in support, and again, not ready until 2019. 2019.

Then, there’s the issue of capacity.

The F-35 carries up to 220 rounds, which gives the pilot at most 4 seconds of firing.

The A-10 carries up to 1,174 rounds, which gives the A-10 loiter capabilities and its rounds are far more capable as well.

This is an apples to oranges comparison, and it’s one that isn’t lost on any ground combat troop who might rely on air support to carry out their mission.

The shiny new plane is an awful replacement for the venerable old one.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 22, 2015 • 7:27:30am

oh…

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 22, 2015 • 7:28:28am
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ObserverArt  Sep 22, 2015 • 7:31:03am

Hey…I was able to load and log in under 2 minutes. Wooohooo!

I wanted to get in and join in a bit about the VW cheating issues.

I have posted before I am a long time VW fanatic. It all started in 1978 when I bought a used Audi 100 LS…a car that no one seemed to like, but I loved it. Sure it was quirky with inboard mounted front brake rotors…but drive on an ice covered road and those inboard front brakes on one of the first front-wheel-drive cars in America and you understood the engineering. Smash those brakes on a dry road and that car would slide straight on, no pitching one way or the other.

And then I bought a low-miles ‘79 Rabbit in the early 80s and drove that for a few years until some guy ran a red light and I clobbered him in the intersection…totaled. But it showed it was a tough little car in the crash and I loved to drive it.

Then I discovered all the after-market performance parts you could buy for VWs and I have bought nothing else since. 2 Golfs, 2 GTIs, 2 Early Rabbits, and most recent a Newer Rabbit. I’ve loved every mile. They have all been great performers, great mileage, fun to drive and long lasting. I’ve been very lucky with very few repairs that are not normal wear related.

And now this. I am pissed, sad and disillusioned. I can’t believe they did this. I really have no idea what to think. All my cars have been gasoline models, so there is that, but if I bought a new one it very well might be one of the diesels.

Damn.

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Iwouldprefernotto  Sep 22, 2015 • 7:31:26am

re: #152 Backwoods_Sleuth

oh…

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Christie tells someone to lose weight. Please post a “not the onion” tag or we be confused.

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It's on his hat!  Sep 22, 2015 • 7:33:56am

re: #154 ObserverArt

Hey…I was able to load and log in under 2 minutes. Wooohooo!

I wanted to get in and join in a bit about the VW cheating issues.

I have posted before I am a long time VW fanatic. It all started in 1978 when I bought a used Audi 100 LS…a car that no one seemed to like, but I loved it. Sure it was quirky with inboard mounted front brake rotors…but drive on an ice covered road and those inboard front brakes on one of the first front-wheel-drive cars in America and you understood the engineering. Smash those brakes on a dry road and that car would slide straight on, no pitching one way or the other.

And then I bought a low-miles ‘79 Rabbit in the early 80s and drove that for a few years until some guy ran a red light and I clobbered him in the intersection…totaled. But it showed it was a tough little car in the crash and I loved to drive it.

Then I discovered all the after-market performance parts you could buy for VWs and I have bought nothing else since. 2 Golfs, 2 GTIs, 2 Early Rabbits, and most recent a Newer Rabbit. I’ve loved every mile. They have all been great performers, great mileage, fun to drive and long lasting. I’ve been very lucky with very few repairs that are not normal wear related.

And now this. I am pissed, sad and disillusioned. I can’t believe they did this. I really have no idea what to think. All my cars have been gasoline models, so there is that, but if I bought a new one it very well might be one of the diesels.

Damn.

I’m on my third Jetta, and I’ve always loved driving them. I bought a diesel because the performance really impressed me given the fuel mileage.

Funny about that last part.

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Higgs Boson's Mate  Sep 22, 2015 • 7:35:20am

re: #151 lawhawk

The Navy and the Air Force have made many bad decisions regarding ground attack aircraft. The Navy replaced its A1 Skyraider with a far less capable jet because jets were happening in a far out way at the time. Other nations continued to use the A1 for another twenty years.

The simple fact is that flying anything other than the latest fighter, bristling with high tech bristles, just isn’t that cool in military aviation.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 22, 2015 • 7:35:51am
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TedStriker  Sep 22, 2015 • 7:36:36am

re: #154 ObserverArt

Hey…I was able to load and log in under 2 minutes. Wooohooo!

I wanted to get in and join in a bit about the VW cheating issues.

I have posted before I am a long time VW fanatic. It all started in 1978 when I bought a used Audi 100 LS…a car that no one seemed to like, but I loved it. Sure it was quirky with inboard mounted front brake rotors…but drive on an ice covered road and those inboard front brakes on one of the first front-wheel-drive cars in America and you understood the engineering. Smash those brakes on a dry road and that car would slide straight on, no pitching one way or the other.

And then I bought a low-miles ‘79 Rabbit in the early 80s and drove that for a few years until some guy ran a red light and I clobbered him in the intersection…totaled. But it showed it was a tough little car in the crash and I loved to drive it.

Then I discovered all the after-market performance parts you could buy for VWs and I have bought nothing else since. 2 Golfs, 2 GTIs, 2 Early Rabbits, and most recent a Newer Rabbit. I’ve loved every mile. They have all been great performers, great mileage, fun to drive and long lasting. I’ve been very lucky with very few repairs that are not normal wear related.

And now this. I am pissed, sad and disillusioned. I can’t believe they did this. I really have no idea what to think. All my cars have been gasoline models, so there is that, but if I bought a new one it very well might be one of the diesels.

Damn.

Diesels have really just been coming back over the past few years as a real option for American cars and VW just killed it stone-cold dead (and may have dealt themselves a blow that will take years and years to get over, if they can).

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Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Sep 22, 2015 • 7:37:19am

Hmmm, had problems trying to post on a reply.

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Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Sep 22, 2015 • 7:37:34am

re: #160 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse

Hmmm, had problems trying to post on a reply.

but this worked OK

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Sep 22, 2015 • 7:41:49am

re: #161 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse

but this worked OK

I was having trouble including an image just now. The edit window would pop up, but when I clicked insert into post. Nothing happened. I just a blue whirlygig. But, when I checked Image Library, the image was there, and I could insert it just fine.

Hamsters may be doing drugs.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Sep 22, 2015 • 7:42:18am

re: #158 Backwoods_Sleuth

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ZOMG!!11!! Gang Signs!!!!

Or is that passé?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 22, 2015 • 7:42:45am

re: #162 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

I was having trouble including an image just now. The edit window would pop up, but when I clicked insert into post. Nothing happened. I just a blue whirlygig. But, when I checked Image Library, the image was there, and I could insert it just fine.

Hamsters may be doing drugs.

I had the upload image problem last night.

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Higgs Boson's Mate  Sep 22, 2015 • 7:44:18am

re: #159 TedStriker

Diesels are far from headed toward extinction. Anything that can be made to run when oil hits $1000 a barrel will be relevant in its time.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Sep 22, 2015 • 7:45:04am

re: #154 ObserverArt

Hey…I was able to load and log in under 2 minutes. Wooohooo!

I wanted to get in and join in a bit about the VW cheating issues.

I have posted before I am a long time VW fanatic. It all started in 1978 when I bought a used Audi 100 LS…a car that no one seemed to like, but I loved it. Sure it was quirky with inboard mounted front brake rotors…but drive on an ice covered road and those inboard front brakes on one of the first front-wheel-drive cars in America and you understood the engineering. Smash those brakes on a dry road and that car would slide straight on, no pitching one way or the other.

And then I bought a low-miles ‘79 Rabbit in the early 80s and drove that for a few years until some guy ran a red light and I clobbered him in the intersection…totaled. But it showed it was a tough little car in the crash and I loved to drive it.

Then I discovered all the after-market performance parts you could buy for VWs and I have bought nothing else since. 2 Golfs, 2 GTIs, 2 Early Rabbits, and most recent a Newer Rabbit. I’ve loved every mile. They have all been great performers, great mileage, fun to drive and long lasting. I’ve been very lucky with very few repairs that are not normal wear related.

And now this. I am pissed, sad and disillusioned. I can’t believe they did this. I really have no idea what to think. All my cars have been gasoline models, so there is that, but if I bought a new one it very well might be one of the diesels.

Damn.

One of standard taxi models here is the VW Santana (I’m not sure what the model name is for the US). It’s a four-door sedan with legroom in the rear seat that would rival a Checker cab. I love it when I can hail one, because the rear seat is easy to get into and out of. The other taxi models around China require some gymnastics to get out of the back seat.

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lawhawk  Sep 22, 2015 • 7:46:15am

Except the cops never considered this to be a threat. They never called the bomb squad, and no one in a position of authority at the school or the responding police showed the least bit of common sense by talking with the engineering teacher from whom Ahmed got permission to bring in the clock in the first place.

So it goes without saying that Napolitano thinks that Ahmed’s the one who did something wrong.

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Eventual Carrion  Sep 22, 2015 • 7:48:03am

re: #84 lawhawk

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This is just the tip of the iceberg - so why VW is setting aside billions to deal with the mess of their own creation, they face potentially even higher fines and costs in the US alone.

Frankly, they deserve to see the maximum fines imposed. They were actively working to evade emissions control requirements in the US (and potentially elsewhere), and this was a decision made that reaches into the highest levels of the company. It’s fraud and criminal charges should apply.

Massive fines shouldn’t be enough here - people deserve jail time for it, though I know that white collar crimes simply don’t get the punishments they frequently deserve.

The fines, which should be multibillion dollar amounts, should all be applied to mass transit infrastructure projects nationally.

They won’t get scrutinized much or fined badly (definitely not jail). That would take time away from testing welfare recipients for weed use. Priorities people.

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Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Sep 22, 2015 • 7:49:08am

re: #167 lawhawk

Judge Napolitano Argues Potential Fraud Case If Ahmed Mohamed’s Clock Was A ‘Purposeful Hoax’ t.co via @dailycaller
— Steve Guest

RWNJ, still digging I see.

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lawhawk  Sep 22, 2015 • 7:49:21am

Every once in a while, Gov. Christie says something rational:

But then he goes off the rails just as quickly.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Sep 22, 2015 • 7:49:29am

re: #166 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

It was marketed as the Quantum in North America, says Wikipedia. This photo shows the model I see most where I live, but it’s an older version than the Santanas in the bigger cities.

Image: File:Chinese_VW_Santana_sedan2.jpg

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Eventual Carrion  Sep 22, 2015 • 7:49:54am

re: #91 Dark_Falcon

That’s because this guy did something that was a direct cause of people dying. The anger and punishment will always be greater when lives have been lost, which is as it should be.

Unless you are BP.

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Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Sep 22, 2015 • 7:50:33am

re: #131 Backwoods_Sleuth

Quite appalling. From #KimDavis interview: “I feel really sad that sm1 could be so unhappy w/ themselves.. until they got a piece of paper.”
— Natasha Mozgovaya

It’s really sad Kim doesn’t care what the law is. Also really sad that Kim doesn’t care about the feelings of others.

But please keep talking, Kim.

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Iwouldprefernotto  Sep 22, 2015 • 7:54:09am

From: Five Thirty Eight

70 days

Scott Walker called it quits Monday, suspending his campaign for the Republican presidential nomination after only 70 days. For some perspective, Kim Kardashian was married to Kris Humphries for 72 days. [The Week]

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Sep 22, 2015 • 7:54:49am

re: #173 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse

It’s really sad Kim doesn’t care what the law is. Also really sad that Kim doesn’t care about the feelings of others.

But please keep talking, Kim.

The thing is, a heterosexual couple would feel really sad if they couldn’t get a marriage license. What she’s really saying is same-sex couples are tortured, self-loathing beings who need a marriage license as validation that their “lifestyle” is OK.

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TedStriker  Sep 22, 2015 • 7:55:53am

re: #165 Higgs Boson’s Mate

Diesels are far from headed toward extinction. Anything that can be made to run when oil hits $1000 a barrel will be relevant in its time.

Oh, I know light passenger diesels aren’t going away, but, largely in part to VW’s efforts, diesel passenger cars in the US were having a resurgence in popularity and we were starting to see more manufacturers make a diesel option available to more of their product lines than has been in a long time.

Now, VW has tainted all of that; they’ve already started setting aside BILLIONS of dollars aside ($7-8 billion for this quarter alone) and may be in for a shitload of not only more investigations and action from regulatory agencies worldwide over this (last I saw, Germany, France, and South Korea’s environmental agencies are among the latest to be looking into VW’s actions, but they certainly aren’t going to be the last), but possible class-action suits from hoodwinked customers.

If VW survives this, it’ll be a miracle.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Sep 22, 2015 • 7:57:04am

re: #176 TedStriker

Oh, I know light passenger diesels aren’t going away, but, largely in part to VW’s efforts, diesel passenger cars in the US were having a resurgence in popularity and we were starting to see more manufacturers make a diesel option available to more of their product lines than has been in a long time.

Now, VW has tainted all of that; they’ve already started setting aside BILLIONS of dollars aside ($7-8 billion for this quarter alone) and may be in for a shitload of not only more investigations and action from regulatory agencies worldwide over this (last I saw, Germany, France, and South Korea’s environmental agencies are among the latest to be looking into VW’s actions, but they certainly aren’t going to be the last), but possible class-action suits from hoodwinked customers.

If VW survives this, it’ll be a miracle.

They still have the Chinese market. /half

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 22, 2015 • 7:57:16am
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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Sep 22, 2015 • 7:59:59am

re: #174 Iwouldprefernotto

From: Five Thirty Eight

Does that count the two or three days he jumped the gun on the announcement? Should it? Is this going to be a new area of study like baseball statistics? Will there be an asterisk next to Scooter’s name? Why can’t I stop asking questions?

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blueraven  Sep 22, 2015 • 8:01:38am

Oh brother…this op ed by doughy pantload is unfuckingreal.

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ObserverArt  Sep 22, 2015 • 8:01:49am

Just read the Jalopnik article on VW.

This is the last sentence in the statement:

Volkswagen does not tolerate any kind of violation of laws whatsoever. It is and remains the top priority of the Board of Management to win back lost trust and to avert damage to our customers. The Group will inform the public on the further progress of the investigations constantly and transparently.

Let’s see where this goes. My first question is if you do not tolerate violation of laws whatsoever, who in the company thought the creative cheating was okay? Someone in engineering along with engine software writing decided to do it, so how did the higher ups not know. Fishy!

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CuriousLurker  Sep 22, 2015 • 8:02:32am

re: #175 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

The thing is, a heterosexual couple would feel really sad if they couldn’t get a marriage license. What she’s really saying is same-sex couples are tortured, self-loathing beings who need a marriage license as validation that their “lifestyle” is OK.

And yet there Davis sits on national TV whining & crying, demanding that the courts validate her religious beliefs by accommodating her refusal to follow the law. The self-deception is mind boggling—four eyes for others, blind to herself.

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Sep 22, 2015 • 8:02:44am

re: #137 lawhawk

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No word on whether Rubio would endorse Huckabee or Santorum or Carson though, even though they’re proposing the same kind of theocratic imposition of religion through government acts. But instead of Islam, it’s a version of Christianity that subjugates everyone to their religious worldviews and fantasies.

I have to agree that I would not vote for a fundamentalist - of any religion. If these people want to exclude a Muslim based entirely on their religion without considering their individual policies, then that is their bigoted right.

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Eventual Carrion  Sep 22, 2015 • 8:03:02am

re: #181 ObserverArt

Just read the Jalopnik article on VW.

This is the last sentence in the statement:

Let’s see where this goes. My first question is if you do not tolerate violation of laws whatsoever, who in the company thought the creative cheating was okay? Someone in engineering along with engine software writing decided to do it, so how did the higher ups not know. Fishy!

I blame software project managers (and Obama of course).

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Timothy Watson  Sep 22, 2015 • 8:03:06am

re: #180 blueraven

Oh brother…this op ed by doughy pantload is unfuckingreal.

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Iwouldprefernotto  Sep 22, 2015 • 8:03:38am

re: #180 blueraven

Oh brother…this op ed by doughy pantload is unfuckingreal.

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But anybody who has watched the videos would find Fiorina’s account pretty accurate.

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ObserverArt  Sep 22, 2015 • 8:05:00am

re: #171 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

It was marketed as the Quantum in North America, says Wikipedia. This photo shows the model I see most where I live, but it’s an older version than the Santanas in the bigger cities.

Image: File:Chinese_VW_Santana_sedan2.jpg

Wow. I haven’t seem one of those body types in a long time. Wiki says they were still building them in China up into 2013. Yeah, they have some room in them. They would make a pretty decent cab. I bet they use older late 90s-early 00s Passats next for the same market.

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Belafon  Sep 22, 2015 • 8:05:35am

#167 lawhawk:

And if pigs had wings they could fly.

Applying right wing conspiracy theories to a 14 year old nerd’s thinking. There are few things more pathetic.

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Sep 22, 2015 • 8:06:25am

re: #170 lawhawk

Every once in a while, Gov. Christie says something rational:

But then he goes off the rails just as quickly.

I was impressed at how he defended his choice of a Muslim judge. Which all but disqualifies him from the nomination…

Because True Conservatives know that all Muslims support Sharia unless they openly reject it - just like all Catholics are beholden to the Pope unless they openly reject him.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Sep 22, 2015 • 8:06:47am

re: #176 TedStriker

Oh, I know light passenger diesels aren’t going away, but, largely in part to VW’s efforts, diesel passenger cars in the US were having a resurgence in popularity and we were starting to see more manufacturers make a diesel option available to more of their product lines than has been in a long time.

Now, VW has tainted all of that; they’ve already started setting aside BILLIONS of dollars aside ($7-8 billion for this quarter alone) and may be in for a shitload of not only more investigations and action from regulatory agencies worldwide over this (last I saw, Germany, France, and South Korea’s environmental agencies are among the latest to be looking into VW’s actions, but they certainly aren’t going to be the last), but possible class-action suits from hoodwinked customers.

If VW survives this, it’ll be a miracle.

I remember thinking the same about Ford and Bridgestone after the Explorer tire episode, where people actually died.

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iossarian  Sep 22, 2015 • 8:13:36am

re: #178 Backwoods_Sleuth

NO WELCOME SIGNS! STRANGE FURREN PEOPLE KEEP OUT!

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Blind Frog Belly White  Sep 22, 2015 • 8:15:16am

re: #191 iossarian

NO WELCOME SIGNS! STRANGE FURREN PEOPLE KEEP OUT!

I hear that Pope’s a Latino!

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iossarian  Sep 22, 2015 • 8:15:55am

re: #192 Blind Frog Belly White

I hear that Pope’s a Latino!

Watch - he’ll have a baby while he’s here and then we’ll never get rid of him.

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CuriousLurker  Sep 22, 2015 • 8:17:27am

re: #182 CuriousLurker

And yet there Davis sits on national TV whining & crying, demanding that the courts validate her religious beliefs by accommodating her refusal to follow the law. The self-deception is mind boggling—four eyes for others, blind to herself.

It’s the same thing with Ahmed. He’s being painted as a sneaky, dishonest Muslim troublemaker and his family—especially his dad who’s the very picture of the successful American immigrant—is being villainized as a terrorist supporting extremist type.

Kim Davis, who is actually breaking the law and trying to force others to abide by her religious beliefs? A modern Joan of Arc, a heroine!

It’s crystal clear to anyone capable of critical thinking.

Beyond disgusting, all of this dishonesty. *spit*

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lawhawk  Sep 22, 2015 • 8:17:33am

More Ben Carson:

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The Vicious Babushka  Sep 22, 2015 • 8:19:58am
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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Sep 22, 2015 • 8:21:28am

re: #182 CuriousLurker

And yet there Davis sits on national TV whining & crying, demanding that the courts validate her religious beliefs by accommodating her refusal to follow the law. The self-deception is mind boggling—four eyes for others, blind to herself.

Yup. She could settle the whole problem by resigning her post. People would understand why; no biggie. Instead, she’s insisting the entire legal system bow to her interpretation of God’s will. Not quite Christian humility there.

There are 120 county clerks in KY, many of whom I am quite sure are church-going Christians, who are doing their job without all this effing drama. Davis is one of the three who are refusing, and she’s certainly the most strident. I haven’t heard what’s up with the bike-riding Davis or the third objector.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Sep 22, 2015 • 8:22:12am

re: #187 ObserverArt

Wow. I haven’t seem one of those body types in a long time. Wiki says they were still building them in China up into 2013. Yeah, they have some room in them. They would make a pretty decent cab. I bet they use older late 90s-early 00s Passats next for the same market.

You are quite right.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Sep 22, 2015 • 8:26:03am

re: #84 lawhawk

Hope they get what’s coming to them.

And what’s really troubling me… I doubt they are the only car company doing something like this. They were just the unlucky first ones to get caught.

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jaunte  Sep 22, 2015 • 8:29:12am

Fox still spreading intolerance like a VW Diesel.

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ObserverArt  Sep 22, 2015 • 8:29:49am

Wow, so Big Ben Carson is going all in on the derpage.

Just how far will he go before he goes?

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Iwouldprefernotto  Sep 22, 2015 • 8:30:11am

re: #199 GlutenFreeJesus

Hope they get what’s coming to them.

And what’s really troubling me… I doubt they are the only car company doing something like this. They were just the unlucky first ones to get caught.

Now that they know what to look for they will find others…

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Sep 22, 2015 • 8:31:05am

re: #200 jaunte

Fox still spreading intolerance like a VW Diesel.

But it’s totally OK for a would-be leader of the free world (sic) to believe the Big Bang and evolution are just myths, because his religion says otherwise.

Uh huh.

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Shiplord Kirel  Sep 22, 2015 • 8:32:24am

To add to Volkswagen’s woes, at least one potential ally has fallen by the wayside (though not overcome by diesel exhaust).

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Sep 22, 2015 • 8:32:52am

OK, lizards. I’m calling it a night here. See you later.

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jaunte  Sep 22, 2015 • 8:33:15am

re: #201 ObserverArt

He’s going at least as far as Iowa.

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blueraven  Sep 22, 2015 • 8:34:52am

re: #200 jaunte

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Fox still spreading intolerance like a VW Diesel.

They cut away from Carson’s presser because what he was saying made absolutely no sense. He was trying to deny that he said what he said. It was painful.

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The Vicious Babushka  Sep 22, 2015 • 8:34:57am

On the eve of Yom Kippur, Ben lies, uses photo (without permission) of miscarriage & calls it “killing children like this one”==>

Click to Reveal
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jaunte  Sep 22, 2015 • 8:37:15am

re: #207 blueraven

It’s amazing an ignorant extremist like Carson is in the position he’s in.

“If you look at the geological layers, it makes perfectly good sense that that was done by a world wide flood. If you look at the fact that there are crustaceans on the top of the Andes mountains, it makes perfectly good sense that there was a flood. And you know, it is really a matter again of using the frontal lobes, analyzing the stuff, seeing how it compares to what God has said, and what man has said. You don’t find inconsistencies with the way God said it, you find a lot with the way man has said it.”
silcom.com

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blueraven  Sep 22, 2015 • 8:39:07am

Bill to ban abortion after 20 weeks failed in senate.

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The Vicious Babushka  Sep 22, 2015 • 8:39:40am
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The Vicious Babushka  Sep 22, 2015 • 8:40:10am

LOL how’s that midterm election turning out for you Republicans?

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GlutenFreeJesus  Sep 22, 2015 • 8:40:15am

re: #209 jaunte

analyzing the stuff

What a brilliant mind.

/

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jaunte  Sep 22, 2015 • 8:41:12am

re: #213 GlutenFreeJesus

“Using the frontal lobes” to avoid studying how erosion works.

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iossarian  Sep 22, 2015 • 8:42:14am

re: #209 jaunte

It’s amazing an ignorant extremist like Carson is in the position he’s in.

Where did all the water come from? Where did it go?

Turtles all the way down, I tells ya.

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ObserverArt  Sep 22, 2015 • 8:42:19am

This just in. A stunning development in the world of science.

The earth does not rotate around the sun. It has been recently discovered it rotates around County Clerk Kim Davis in Kentucky.

Confirmed by Doctor Ben Carson. /

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Eventual Carrion  Sep 22, 2015 • 8:45:03am

re: #209 jaunte

It’s amazing an ignorant extremist like Carson is in the position he’s in.

[snip]
If you look at the fact that there are crustaceans on the top of the Andes mountains, it makes perfectly good sense that there was a flood.
[snip]

Or they could have been pushed up from under the seas by some force, some movement we could measure, we could explain with experiments and visual and scientific measurements. NAH, it was god. Pele I think, but a god nonetheless.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Sep 22, 2015 • 8:45:48am

re: #209 jaunte

Apparently he thinks it’s like the old Jello Parfait - you mix it all up together, and it resolves itself into layers. Except that in this case, there are a lot more layers, and there’s no difference in density to suggest different sedimentation rates, especially at 1g.

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jaunte  Sep 22, 2015 • 8:46:48am

re: #218 Blind Frog Belly White

Geology is just the study of where to find the coal and oil God hid for us.

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Dave In Austin  Sep 22, 2015 • 8:47:06am
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gocart mozart  Sep 22, 2015 • 8:50:56am

14 USC Sec. 401

A court of the United States shall have power to punish by fine or imprisonment, or both, at its discretion, such contempt of its authority, and none other, as—

(1) Misbehavior of any person in its presence or so near thereto as to obstruct the administration of justice;

(2) Misbehavior of any of its officers in their official transactions;

(3) Disobedience or resistance to its lawful writ, process, order, rule, decree, or command.

(June 25, 1948, ch. 645, 62 Stat. 701; Pub. L. 107-273, div. B, title III, § 3002(a)(1), Nov. 2, 2002, 116

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Higgs Boson's Mate  Sep 22, 2015 • 8:51:13am

re: #217 Eventual Carrion

Or they could have been pushed up from under the seas by some force, some movement we could measure, we could explain with experiments and visual and scientific measurements. NAH, it was god. Pele I think, but a god nonetheless.

I’m putting my money on Quetzalcoatl. An old god though still a go-getter.

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Jenner7  Sep 22, 2015 • 8:53:33am
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The Vicious Babushka  Sep 22, 2015 • 8:54:10am

And again Ben uses a miscarriage to illustrate an abortion==>

Click to Reveal
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blueraven  Sep 22, 2015 • 8:56:29am

Oh yeah, he wants to set up a tax system based on tithing.

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jaunte  Sep 22, 2015 • 8:59:01am
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retired cynic  Sep 22, 2015 • 8:59:39am

re: #178 Backwoods_Sleuth

Those beanies clash! Ooo!

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Belafon  Sep 22, 2015 • 9:04:16am

#223 Jenner7:

Cool, Jeb is arguing that we get rid of the Confederate flag!

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Teukka  Sep 22, 2015 • 9:05:26am

re: #223 Jenner7

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Bush warns against “multiculturalism,” which he says is antithetical to American value of assimilation.

Whoah. Same kind of multiculturalism which is supposed to be disseminated by the cultural Marxists of the Frankfurt school?

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Amory Blaine  Sep 22, 2015 • 9:05:50am

Like a violent drunk that just got fired, I expect Governor Fuckface to come home and take it out on those in his charge.

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Belafon  Sep 22, 2015 • 9:06:11am

#225 blueraven:

I say we go with a system Jesus would approve of, something like a 90% top marginal tax rate.

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The Vicious Babushka  Sep 22, 2015 • 9:09:06am

Of course #tcot hearts Martin Shkreli!

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Higgs Boson's Mate  Sep 22, 2015 • 9:10:30am

re: #223 Jenner7

Bush has his nerve scolding others about assimilation: his older brother barely speaks English and he’s lived here all his life.

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Kryptik  Sep 22, 2015 • 9:12:39am

re: #223 Jenner7

Funny, growing up, my idea of the American “melting pot” was that things would mix and integrate into something larger, not that the larger thing would swallow up and supercede the lesser parts.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 22, 2015 • 9:13:00am
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lawhawk  Sep 22, 2015 • 9:13:54am

Carson can’t keep anything straight. He’s now trying to walk back his claims:

Except there was no limitations, and his position still runs afoul of the Constitution.

His cognitive dissonance in politics is stunning, even for a GOPer. He says he doesn’t want sharia law, but wants to impose a tithing tax scheme (based somehow on religious law?!).

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blueraven  Sep 22, 2015 • 9:16:34am
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Amory Blaine  Sep 22, 2015 • 9:19:28am

I knew when W was telling the US public that we were at war with extremists that it was too sophisticated a concept for america to digest.

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Shiplord Kirel  Sep 22, 2015 • 9:20:14am

re: #235 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Westboro typo:

“GOD HATES HAGS!!”

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lawhawk  Sep 22, 2015 • 9:20:48am

re: #238 Amory Blaine

I knew when W was telling the US public that we were at war with extremists that it was too sophisticated a concept for america to digest.

Yeah, even he knew going to war against a billion people was nuts. But the Islamophobes are still pushing that clash of civilizations global conflict nonsense that would have us wage war indefinitely.

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blueraven  Sep 22, 2015 • 9:20:50am
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wrenchwench  Sep 22, 2015 • 9:21:25am

re: #196 The Vicious Babushka

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The laughter is great.

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Teukka  Sep 22, 2015 • 9:21:52am
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Higgs Boson's Mate  Sep 22, 2015 • 9:21:58am

re: #236 lawhawk

re: #239 Shiplord Kirel

Westboro typo:

“GOD HATES HAGS!!”

I thought it was, “GOD HATES HAGGIS!!”

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Skip Intro  Sep 22, 2015 • 9:23:51am

re: #236 lawhawk

Carson is an idiot savant. Brilliant in one field, totally adrift from reality in all others.

Perfect presidential material, if you’re a Republican.

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Higgs Boson's Mate  Sep 22, 2015 • 9:25:39am

re: #245 Skip Intro

Carson is an idiot savant. Brilliant in one field, totally adrift from reality in all others.

Perfect presidential material, if you’re a Republican.

They’ll even skip the “brilliant” part if they like the cut of your manias.

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Iwouldprefernotto  Sep 22, 2015 • 9:26:26am

We have a winner…

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Eventual Carrion  Sep 22, 2015 • 9:27:25am

re: #220 Dave In Austin

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They need to blame their intelligent designer for that one, not an abortion doctor.

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gwangung  Sep 22, 2015 • 9:28:02am

re: #234 Kryptik

Funny, growing up, my idea of the American “melting pot” was that things would mix and integrate into something larger, not that the larger thing would swallow up and supercede the lesser parts.

Basically, what they’re saying is that they’re scared of all those brown people in the country, unless they’re the ones on top and in charge.

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wrenchwench  Sep 22, 2015 • 9:28:02am

re: #241 blueraven

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Does he have to link to Breitbart? Weigel gives no fucks.

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The Vicious Babushka  Sep 22, 2015 • 9:28:48am

Somewhere, CCJ is shitting on the floor, curled up into a fetal position, groaning over and over WHY DIDN’T I BUY MYSELF A BIOTECH COMPANY WITH ALL MY GOFUNDME MONEYS!!!!!

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darthstar  Sep 22, 2015 • 9:30:48am

re: #251 The Vicious Babushka

Somewhere, CCJ is shitting on the floor, curled up into a fetal position, groaning over and over WHY DIDN’T I BUY MYSELF A BIOTECH COMPANY WITH ALL MY GOFUNDME MONEYS!!!!!

5 months.
gofundme.com

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Eventual Carrion  Sep 22, 2015 • 9:31:46am

re: #225 blueraven

Oh yeah, he wants to set up a tax system based on tithing.

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Is he for setting up bank loans in biblical fashion?

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Sep 22, 2015 • 9:32:17am

re: #253 Eventual Carrion

Is he for setting up bank loans in biblical fashion?

and throwing moneylenders out of temples?

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Khal Wimpo  Sep 22, 2015 • 9:36:41am

re: #252 darthstar

5 months.
gofundme.com

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Just over $1K? Day-um. CCJ could do better standing by a freeway exit & selling oranges. Unfortunately, that would involve actual physical exertion, and interacting with people in a way that leaves them feeling better after a financial transaction. Due to his rampant personality disorder, I fear that even a career in retail sales would be beyond his skills.

Any word recently on how the SLAPP suit against Chuckles is proceeding? I seem to recall that there’s a ruling due in October, and no doubt his jackleg Missouri lawyer is realizing he’s playing in the big leagues without a goddam bat in his tangling with the Gawker attorney team.

Meanwhile, the attorney fees for Gawker keep going up. Every call, every letter, every pleading, every motion … the meter on the taxi cab is running, and when CCJ loses and is found liable for attorney’s fees, the Hot Asian Wife and her extended Monterey Park family are going to be hella pissed when all their sketchy real-estate holdings have to be liquidated to pay Gawker’s damages.

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blueraven  Sep 22, 2015 • 9:36:55am

re: #250 wrenchwench

Does he have to link to Breitbart? Weigel gives no fucks.

Well it is such a bitch whine, it is rather sad. Mwaaah, I got kicked out for being an asshole!

Dana Milbank describes the incident.

When the Muslim leaders at the CAIR news conference denounced the Trump and Carson remarks, Neil Munro, the writer who heckled Obama while working for the Daily Caller and who now works for the conservative Breitbart News, laughed and smirked. During the question time, Munro informed the Muslim leaders that there are parts about Islam “that Americans find pretty ghastly,” and he asserted that “none of you have defended Islam — it’s weird.”

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The Vicious Babushka  Sep 22, 2015 • 9:37:17am

SECOND BIGGEST DOUCHE OF THE DAY==>

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lawhawk  Sep 22, 2015 • 9:37:49am

Me. Me. Me… .Me Too!

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iossarian  Sep 22, 2015 • 9:38:27am

re: #254 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

and throwing moneylenders out of temples?

He wants to ban farmers from reaping to the borders of their fields*. That’ll play well in Iowa.

* Actually, he doesn’t because he’s a hypocrite.

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Eventual Carrion  Sep 22, 2015 • 9:38:53am

re: #252 darthstar

5 months.
gofundme.com

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He could barely buy one pill for that, let alone the whole company.

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Higgs Boson's Mate  Sep 22, 2015 • 9:38:57am

re: #257 The Vicious Babushka

“Broads?”

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Dave In Austin  Sep 22, 2015 • 9:39:30am
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The Vicious Babushka  Sep 22, 2015 • 9:41:09am

re: #261 Higgs Boson’s Mate

“Broads?”

He doesn’t think of women as people.

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Timothy Watson  Sep 22, 2015 • 9:41:53am

Madness here around me today: Former state Senator Houck’s son kills man, then takes own life, authorities say

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Higgs Boson's Mate  Sep 22, 2015 • 9:42:49am

re: #263 The Vicious Babushka

He doesn’t think of women as people.

Judging by his choice of words he hasn’t thought much at all since the glory days of the Rat Pack.

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TedStriker  Sep 22, 2015 • 9:42:51am

re: #257 The Vicious Babushka

SECOND BIGGEST DOUCHE OF THE DAY==>

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re: #261 Higgs Boson’s Mate

“Broads?”

Reminds me of R.J. Fletcher from UHF:

Pamela Finklestein: [on phone] Yeah, but… yeah, but… “Broads don’t belong in broadcasting?” Is that the kind of professional courtesy you teach your news department?
R.J. Fletcher: Why, that’s a terrible thing. I don’t know how many time I’ve told those boys, “never call chicks broads.”
Pamela FInklestein: [incensed] Why, you slimy… ooh! [hangs up]

Fletcher was a smarmy asshole dickhead too…

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Belafon  Sep 22, 2015 • 9:44:36am

#261 Higgs Boson’s Mate:

“Broads?”

It’s shorter than “women”!

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nines09  Sep 22, 2015 • 9:45:58am

“Ben Carson Clarifies Muslim Remarks: I Won’t Support Anyone Who Wants Theocracy….” So I guess he’s pulling his support for….Ben Carson?

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Sep 22, 2015 • 9:47:01am

Well, Truman was still President (for a little while) when I was born, and I’m not conscious of ever having used the word “broad”. It just seems like something from an old movie. I guess I’m from the “chick” era….

What is it about these conservative assholes that makes them act like they’re 80 years old?

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dharmamark  Sep 22, 2015 • 9:47:10am

re: #264 Timothy Watson

I saw a WTOP Tweet about a shooting on 95, but DAMN.

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wrenchwench  Sep 22, 2015 • 9:48:18am

re: #256 blueraven

Well it is such a bitch whine, it is rather sad. Mwaaah, I got kicked out for being an asshole!

Dana Milbank describes the incident.

You use a much better source than Weigel does. I don’t trust that guy.

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iossarian  Sep 22, 2015 • 9:51:43am

re: #271 wrenchwench

You use a much better source than Weigel. I don’t trust that guy.

I like Milbank but I think he’s wrong that Republican voters won’t stand for bigotry from Trump, Carson or anyone else.

The general might be a different hurdle, but I can easily see bigotry leading to success in the GOP primary.

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wrenchwench  Sep 22, 2015 • 9:53:40am

re: #272 iossarian

The general might be a different hurdle, but I can easily see bigotry leading to success in the GOP primary.

I wish they could all lose, and make Walker a leader!

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blueraven  Sep 22, 2015 • 9:55:18am

re: #271 wrenchwench

You use a much better source than Weigel does. I don’t trust that guy.

I know you don’t. :)

He angers me at times, but I do think, overall, he calls out BS on both sides.

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CuriousLurker  Sep 22, 2015 • 9:56:28am

re: #237 blueraven

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Or teaching your kid critical thinking.

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Iwouldprefernotto  Sep 22, 2015 • 9:56:31am
confed

from addicting info

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Blind Frog Belly White  Sep 22, 2015 • 9:57:09am

re: #241 blueraven

Well, it was a NEWS conference, not a Hatefilled Bigoted shithead conference, so there’s no reason for someone from Dead Breitbart’s Sinecure For The Unemployable to be there.

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Sep 22, 2015 • 9:58:16am

re: #276 Iwouldprefernotto

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from addicting info

Sic Semper Tyrannis, indeed…by my definition, those who enslave others are tyrants.

And are to be dealt with accordingly…

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wrenchwench  Sep 22, 2015 • 9:58:18am

re: #274 blueraven

I know you don’t. :)

He angers me at times, but I do think, overall, he calls out BS on both sides.

The occasion in which I found a link to Steve Sailor on his blog is fading into the past, but I haven’t seen any renunciation of his past, which included hanging with R.S. McCain.

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The Vicious Babushka  Sep 22, 2015 • 9:59:06am

Ben Shapiro is spending the day before Yom Kippur, when he should be preparing for the holy fast day of repentance by reflecting on his own misdeeds and self-improvement, in Tweeting a Blood Libel.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Sep 22, 2015 • 9:59:16am

re: #262 Dave In Austin

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Schrecklich also has a fiduciary duty to his shareholders not to make his company a pariah.

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Belafon  Sep 22, 2015 • 10:00:04am

#276 Iwouldprefernotto:

First, show me a Confederate hero.

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lawhawk  Sep 22, 2015 • 10:02:02am

Will he or wont he? I posted earlier that the VW head was out and replaced, but now it looks like there’s a fight brewing.

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blueraven  Sep 22, 2015 • 10:02:52am

re: #279 wrenchwench

The occasion in which I found a link to Steve Sailor on his blog is fading into the past, but I haven’t seen any renunciation of his past, which included hanging with R.S. McCain.

But here is the thing with him, I think. He will go anywhere, talk to anyone. He covers conservative politics but I think he does so fairly.

For instance, this. Just now.

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wrenchwench  Sep 22, 2015 • 10:04:30am

re: #281 Blind Frog Belly White

Schrecklich also has a fiduciary duty to his shareholders not to make his company a pariah.

A few business people get that. I just explained to a credit card processing salesman why I will never take credit cards as payment again, and when I told him what the last company did, he wanted the name of the owner of that company (which I didn’t search out for him.)

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wrenchwench  Sep 22, 2015 • 10:06:12am

re: #284 blueraven

But here is the thing with him, I think. He will go anywhere, talk to anyone. He covers conservative politics but I think he does so fairly.

For instance, this. Just now.

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I’ll keep an open mind. He should thank you.

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Mattand  Sep 22, 2015 • 10:06:27am

re: #209 jaunte

It’s amazing an ignorant extremist like Carson is in the position he’s in.

LOL, not really. USA #1, etc.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Sep 22, 2015 • 10:07:05am

re: #283 lawhawk

Will he or wont he? I posted earlier that the VW head was out and replaced, but now it looks like there’s a fight brewing.

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I cannot imagine a BoD allowing someone who was at the helm when this happened to stay. Somebody prominent has to get the axe. Either he was complicit in a scam that will cost VW billions, or he runs so loose a ship that a decision this big was made by somebody without the authority to do so.

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CuriousLurker  Sep 22, 2015 • 10:09:29am

Don’t know if anyone posted this yesterday, but it covers the following (just including the intro paragraph sentence for each section, for the sake of brevity):

Fox News Defends Ben Carson’s Objection To A Muslim U.S. President

• Fox’s Katie Pavlich Implies A Muslim President Would Enforce Sharia Law.

• Fox & Friends Defends Carson’s Comments That A Muslim Should Never Be President.

• Fox Business’ Varney: Islam Unites “Church And State, Or Mosque And State” And That Is Not “Consistent With The American Constitution.”

• Andrea Tantaros: People Should Follow Ben Carson’s Lead And Say That Sharia “Is Not In Tradition With American Values.”

Islamophobia? LIAR—THERE’S NO SUCH THING!!

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jaunte  Sep 22, 2015 • 10:10:06am
“…I, BARACK OBAMA, President of the United States of America, by virtue of the authority vested in me by the Constitution and the laws of the United States, do hereby proclaim September 22, 2015, as National Voter Registration Day. I call upon all Americans to observe this day by registering to vote.”
whitehouse.gov
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iossarian  Sep 22, 2015 • 10:10:14am

re: #287 Mattand

LOL, not really. USA #1, etc.

Very true on the political side. He also illustrates that on the academic side it’s not true that universities are somehow anti-conservative: they really just care about whether you’re good in your field.

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Lidane  Sep 22, 2015 • 10:10:35am

Speaking of Planned Parenthood, Mike Huckabee has a cunning plan:

Huckabee said that Republicans in Congress should tie Planned Parenthood funding “to the debt ceiling rather than to the budget, because we can continue to function even if we don’t keep moving the debt ceiling.”

He told Republicans to stop “surrendering” to President Obama and instead adopt his plan as a way to cut off funds to Planned Parenthood while also curbing the national debt.

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Sep 22, 2015 • 10:10:40am

re: #289 CuriousLurker

Don’t know if anyone posted this yesterday, but it covers the following (just including the intro paragraph for each section, for the sake of brevity):

Islamophobia? LIAR—THERE’S NO SUCH THING!!

If you do not wish to vote for a Muslim at all ever, based on religion, than that is your bigoted right.

But these guys are doubling down on why.

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iossarian  Sep 22, 2015 • 10:12:06am

re: #288 Blind Frog Belly White

I cannot imagine a BoD allowing someone who was at the helm when this happened to stay. Somebody prominent has to get the axe. Either he was complicit in a scam that will cost VW billions, or he runs so loose a ship that a decision this big was made by somebody without the authority to do so.

Maybe the BoD were in on it too, at least at a high level. “We are doing what we need to do to remain competitive in California” etc.

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Jenner7  Sep 22, 2015 • 10:12:19am

Rush is wondering why the “drive by media” won’t ask Hillary or Bernie if they’d like a “devout Muslim as President who embraces Sharia law”.

Well, that isn’t what Carson said. But of course, Rush knows this. He believes devout Muslim=sharia law.

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lawhawk  Sep 22, 2015 • 10:12:25am

re: #284 blueraven

The cost to manufacture daraprim hasn’t changed. If anything it costs less to make now that it’s been on the market for as long as it has. They were charging $13.50 before, but this capitalist tool decided to gouge the market and charge $750 instead, even though patients have no choice but to take the drug because it’s the one that doctors know is the best at fighting the condition it was made for.

So a treatment cost jumps to the tens or hundreds of thousands of dollars, all because the CEO thinks that the drug pricing wasn’t sufficiently high enough.

He knows that this isn’t exactly a free market. It’s a captive market, and knows that the patients can’t go elsewhere for a drug.

Drug pricing is irrational. Beyond the cost of recouping the costs for R&D, once a drug is out for a few years, it can generate significant revenues until it loses exclusivity (goes generic). Even then drug companies try and find ways to maintain exclusivity - like compounding the drug with others, finding new uses, etc., to keep sales/revenues up.

But not all drugs have alternative uses, and not all drugs have a wide need. Daraprim is one of those drugs. It’s a niche product, and there isn’t someone to provide the generic drug at present. So this CEO gets to boost his bottom line as some patient spends away their bank accounts trying to pay for a drug that should be a fraction of the price.

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wrenchwench  Sep 22, 2015 • 10:12:58am

re: #289 CuriousLurker

My cat is looking out for you:

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Eclectic Cyborg  Sep 22, 2015 • 10:14:05am

God I hope the GOP shuts down the government again. I’d love to see what that would do to Trump and Carsons poll numbers.

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iossarian  Sep 22, 2015 • 10:14:24am

re: #296 lawhawk

Good analysis. Yay contemporary US capitalism?

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Romantic Heretic  Sep 22, 2015 • 10:15:24am

re: #94 Dark_Falcon

That’s what some people who talk about the free market want. But others, the actual free-market economists and the people who listen to them, know better.

Then they’re using the wrong terms. What they mean is ‘market favourable to our interests’. Which is what everybody means.

‘Free markets’ evokes that false meme that intertwines free people and free markets. History demonstrates that free markets tend to not be in favour of free people. As my favourite author puts it, “Capitalism was content under Hitler, happy under Mussolini, very happy under Franco and delirious under General Pinochet.”

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Higgs Boson's Mate  Sep 22, 2015 • 10:16:23am

re: #283 lawhawk

Will he or wont he? I posted earlier that the VW head was out and replaced, but now it looks like there’s a fight brewing.

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The corporate culture at VW is very hierarchical and VW’s grip on its brands is legendary. Winterkorn almost certainly knew about the cheating. What the BoD may have known could be an interesting story.

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iossarian  Sep 22, 2015 • 10:18:30am

re: #300 Romantic Heretic

Nice quotation - thanks for bringing it to our attention!

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BeenHereAwhile  Sep 22, 2015 • 10:18:53am

re: #181 ObserverArt

Just read the Jalopnik article on VW.

This is the last sentence in the statement:

Let’s see where this goes. My first question is if you do not tolerate violation of laws whatsoever, who in the company thought the creative cheating was okay? Someone in engineering along with engine software writing decided to do it, so how did the higher ups not know. Fishy!

Given the public contentious relationships within the board of directors and major stock holders of the VW automotive group, the long knives will be “at the ready” among the members of the Porsche family

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lawhawk  Sep 22, 2015 • 10:19:10am

re: #299 iossarian

It’s the argument that there are some facets of capitalism that require a government to intercede and provide guidance/rules on conduct.

The reason to intervene in the health care market? The general welfare of the nation and providing medicines at a price that don’t involve gouging.

I get why a new drug introduced for say Hep that could cure the disease might cost $5,000 per dose, with a total treatment cost of $250,000. It’s an insane cost, but not necessarily when the alternative is a liver transplant costing $500,000 or more for the life of the person, due to ongoing medication needs, complications, etc. There’s a rational relationship between the cost/value and outcome.

But this is a drug already on the market, and one that has already gone past the initial cost recouping stage. There is no rational relationship between the cost or value and the outcome here. The pricing was made completely arbitrarily and without regard to the price that patients would have to pay as a result.

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b_sharp  Sep 22, 2015 • 10:19:49am

re: #295 Jenner7

Rush is wondering why the “drive by media” won’t ask Hillary or Bernie if they’d like a “devout Muslim as President who embraces Sharia law”.

Well, that isn’t what Carson said. But of course, Rush knows this. He believes devout Muslim=sharia law.

How exactly would a Muslim president get Sharia laws that don’t already match or possibly even break, current laws past the Senate & Congress?

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Sep 22, 2015 • 10:20:25am

re: #305 b_sharp

How exactly would a Muslim president get Sharia laws that don’t already match or possibly even break, current laws past the Senate & Congress?

He would use the liberal media and activist judges, of course!

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b_sharp  Sep 22, 2015 • 10:20:51am

re: #297 wrenchwench

My cat is looking out for you:

Embedded Image

That’s a devil cat.

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iossarian  Sep 22, 2015 • 10:21:54am

re: #304 lawhawk

Well, exactly. It’s also the argument (in a less life-and-death setting) against the arbitrary extension of brand protection that Disney et al. are so keen on. You create something, you make your money back plus some more to provide incentives, and then your creation goes into the public domain.

But the rich are never satisfied.

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Higgs Boson's Mate  Sep 22, 2015 • 10:22:14am

Enhancing shareholder value, c. 1880.

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The Vicious Babushka  Sep 22, 2015 • 10:23:34am

re: #304 lawhawk

It’s the argument that there are some facets of capitalism that require a government to intercede and provide guidance/rules on conduct.

The reason to intervene in the health care market? The general welfare of the nation and providing medicines at a price that don’t involve gouging.

I get why a new drug introduced for say Hep that could cure the disease might cost $5,000 per dose, with a total treatment cost of $250,000. It’s an insane cost, but not necessarily when the alternative is a liver transplant costing $500,000 or more for the life of the person, due to ongoing medication needs, complications, etc. There’s a rational relationship between the cost/value and outcome.

But this is a drug already on the market, and one that has already gone past the initial cost recouping stage. There is no rational relationship between the cost or value and the outcome here. The pricing was made completely arbitrarily and without regard to the price that patients would have to pay as a result.

Shkreli never defended his decision with a “rational” explanation, he was like BECAUSE I CAN AND FUCK YOU!!!!

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Blind Frog Belly White  Sep 22, 2015 • 10:23:45am

re: #294 iossarian

Maybe the BoD were in on it too, at least at a high level. “We are doing what we need to do to remain competitive in California” etc.

Management exists to provide the owners with deniability.

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wrenchwench  Sep 22, 2015 • 10:23:47am

re: #307 b_sharp

That’s a devil cat.

He’s actually very sweet when there’s no thunder.

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Skip Intro  Sep 22, 2015 • 10:23:57am

re: #295 Jenner7

Rush is wondering why the “drive by media” won’t ask Hillary or Bernie if they’d like a “devout Muslim as President who embraces Sharia law”.

Well, that isn’t what Carson said. But of course, Rush knows this. He believes devout Muslim=sharia law.

Is one running? Being Rush, you have call screeners to keep questions like this from getting on the air.

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Kragar  Sep 22, 2015 • 10:24:49am
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Blind Frog Belly White  Sep 22, 2015 • 10:26:27am

re: #314 Kragar

What are the odds that somebody who’d gouge people who need a potentially lifesaving drug would also do other unsavory things?

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Eventual Carrion  Sep 22, 2015 • 10:27:28am

re: #296 lawhawk

I hope he lives on the coast and when hurricane is coming in the lumberyard charges him $450 for each $3.75 sheet of plywood.

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Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Sep 22, 2015 • 10:29:04am

re: #305 b_sharp

How exactly would a Muslim president get Sharia laws that don’t already match or possibly even break, current laws past the Senate & Congress?

EXECUTIVE ORDERS!!!!!!!11111

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Sep 22, 2015 • 10:29:16am

re: #316 Eventual Carrion

I hope he lives on the coast and when hurricane is coming in the lumberyard charges him $450 for each $3.75 sheet of plywood.

except that the prick is rich enough to buy out the lot at that price and resell it all for $900 per sheet…

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The Vicious Babushka  Sep 22, 2015 • 10:29:29am

20 years from now Shkreli will be in prison for an assortment of felonies, or running for POTUS on the GOP ticket.

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The Vicious Babushka  Sep 22, 2015 • 10:30:07am
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Blind Frog Belly White  Sep 22, 2015 • 10:30:45am

re: #316 Eventual Carrion

I hope he lives on the coast and when hurricane is coming in the lumberyard charges him $450 for each $3.75 sheet of plywood.

In TV-land, somebody would infect him with a disease that will require him to take a $100,000 a year drug for the rest of his life, then suck all the money out of his bank accounts everywhere, like the League of Shadows did to Bruce Wayne.

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Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Sep 22, 2015 • 10:31:09am

re: #295 Jenner7

Rush is wondering why the “drive by media” won’t ask Hillary or Bernie if they’d like a “devout Muslim as President who embraces Sharia law”.

Well, that isn’t what Carson said. But of course, Rush knows this. He believes devout Muslim=sharia law.

I see Rush is “just asking questions”. But I’m pretty sure HRC answered this question yesterday.

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The Vicious Babushka  Sep 22, 2015 • 10:32:55am

re: #321 Blind Frog Belly White

In TV-land, somebody would infect him with a disease that will require him to take a $100,000 a year day drug for the rest of his life, then suck all the money out of his bank accounts everywhere, like the League of Shadows did to Bruce Wayne.

ftfy, because $100K/yr is sofa change for this shitgoblin.

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Dr Lizardo  Sep 22, 2015 • 10:33:32am

re: #321 Blind Frog Belly White

For those few Lizards who might be unfamiliar with your reference, here’s the scene in question:

The Dark Knight Rises - Bane Hits the Stock Exchange (HD) IMAX

325
b_sharp  Sep 22, 2015 • 10:33:44am

re: #312 wrenchwench

He’s actually very sweet when there’s no thunder.

He has red eyes.

He has the devil’s eyes.

Ooooo….

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Blind Frog Belly White  Sep 22, 2015 • 10:34:04am

re: #323 The Vicious Babushka

Did you miss the part where they take away all his money?

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Eclectic Cyborg  Sep 22, 2015 • 10:35:08am

It really pisses me off the Shkreli is my age. Most of us 30-somethings have managed to grow up a bit. This douche still thinks he’s a frat boy or something.

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wrenchwench  Sep 22, 2015 • 10:35:17am

re: #325 b_sharp

He has red eyes.

He has the devil’s eyes.

Ooooo….

They’re blue when he’s relaxed or hungry.

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Higgs Boson's Mate  Sep 22, 2015 • 10:35:43am

What a day. I had to put cotton in my ears because I’m being deafened by all the Republican condemnation of Shkreli

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The Vicious Babushka  Sep 22, 2015 • 10:35:48am

re: #326 Blind Frog Belly White

Did you miss the part where they take away all his money?

Yeah but, he could get a job for $100K/yr

331
Blind Frog Belly White  Sep 22, 2015 • 10:36:01am

re: #324 Dr Lizardo

“I’m in charge here!”

(Towering over him, Bane gently places his hand on the guy’s shoulder)

“Do you feel ‘in charge’?”

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Blind Frog Belly White  Sep 22, 2015 • 10:36:29am

re: #330 The Vicious Babushka

Yeah but, he could get a job for $100K/yr

After losing all that money?

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iossarian  Sep 22, 2015 • 10:37:17am

re: #323 The Vicious Babushka

ftfy, because $100K/yr is sofa change for this shitgoblin.

+1 shitgoblin

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Romantic Heretic  Sep 22, 2015 • 10:37:21am

re: #151 lawhawk

I recently found out about that the SEALS were considering this aircraft for the CAS mission. Until Congress decided not to fund the project. Not fancy enough to be considered.

I like it; cheap and effective.

336
The Vicious Babushka  Sep 22, 2015 • 10:37:29am

re: #332 Blind Frog Belly White

After losing all that money?

Even Carly could get a 100K/yr jerb.

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Dr Lizardo  Sep 22, 2015 • 10:38:23am

re: #331 Blind Frog Belly White

“I’m in charge here!”

(Towering over him, Bane gently places his hand on the guy’s shoulder)

“Do you feel ‘in charge’?”

In the stock exchange robbery scene, the little bit of dialogue -

Stockbroker: “This is the stock exchange! There’s no money you can steal!”
Bane: “Really, then why are you people here?”

had the audience laughing out loud.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Sep 22, 2015 • 10:39:42am

re: #336 The Vicious Babushka

Even Carly could get a 100K/yr jerb.

A fair point. As Heinlein said, “People who go broke in a big way never miss any meals. It is the poor jerk who is shy half a slug who must tighten his belt.”

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Skip Intro  Sep 22, 2015 • 10:40:02am

re: #336 The Vicious Babushka

Even Carly could get a 100K/yr jerb.

She probably gets more than that from each of the corporate boards she sits on.

Not bad for a couple of weeks or work.

340
CuriousLurker  Sep 22, 2015 • 10:40:08am

re: #324 Dr Lizardo

There you are! I saw a video on the BBC yesterday or the day before and there was no narration, just something about underwear being hoisted on a flagpole in Prague as some kind of protest. What was that about?

341
wrenchwench  Sep 22, 2015 • 10:40:17am

re: #333 The Vicious Babushka

Welp, guess who’s going to write a superhero comic for Marvel.

Imma give it away:

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Eclectic Cyborg  Sep 22, 2015 • 10:40:44am

re: #337 Dr Lizardo

And then moments later, we have the douchebag outside telling the cops to get in there to save the money.

343
Lidane  Sep 22, 2015 • 10:41:28am

*cough*

344
Eclectic Cyborg  Sep 22, 2015 • 10:41:52am

Today in MOAR DUMB MEMES:

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Blind Frog Belly White  Sep 22, 2015 • 10:42:33am

re: #341 wrenchwench

Imma give it away:

[Embedded content]

Now TNC will be accused of being in league with the New Black Panther Party!

/only 1/2

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blueraven  Sep 22, 2015 • 10:42:57am

re: #341 wrenchwench

Imma give it away:

[Embedded content]

NRO freakout in 3…2…

347
wrenchwench  Sep 22, 2015 • 10:43:25am

re: #345 Blind Frog Belly White

Now TNC will be accused of being in league with the New Black Panther Party!

/only 1/2

Some people won’t be able to distinguish them.

348
Dr Lizardo  Sep 22, 2015 • 10:43:35am

re: #340 CuriousLurker

There you are! I saw a video on the BBC the yesterday or the day before and there was no narration, just something about underwear being hoisted on a flagpole in Prague as some kind of protest. What was that about?

A comical protest against President Zeman, who’s widely regarded by a good many Czechs as Putin’s stooge in Prague Castle.

The red shorts are meant to be reminiscent of the Communist era here, when boys wore red shorts and white tank tops during P.E.

349
The Vicious Babushka  Sep 22, 2015 • 10:44:26am

Here we go with the Blood Libel again.
FYI Federalist, THERE IS NO “ABORTION POLICY” THAT INCLUDES FULL-TERM 36-WEEK despite all your desperate wishful thinking.

350
Dr Lizardo  Sep 22, 2015 • 10:44:39am

re: #342 Eclectic Cyborg

And then moments later, we have the douchebag outside telling the cops to get in there to save the money.

Yeah.

I love that little throwaway line, when Bane grabs his motorcycle helmet from a terrified stockbroker and most politely says, “Thank you.”

351
blueraven  Sep 22, 2015 • 10:46:35am

CNN you so crazy.

BREAKING!! EXCLUSIVE!!!!
POPE’S PLANE ENTERS U.S. AIRSPACE!!!

352
The Vicious Babushka  Sep 22, 2015 • 10:46:44am

re: #350 Dr Lizardo

Yeah.

I love that little throwaway line, when Bane grabs his motorcycle helmet from a terrified stockbroker and most politely says, “Thank you.”

Click to Reveal

For all his badassery, Bane turned out to be a real wimp.

353
Eclectic Cyborg  Sep 22, 2015 • 10:47:20am

re: #351 blueraven

CNN you so crazy.

BREAKING!! EXCLUSIVE!!!!
POPE’S PLANE ENTERS U.S. AIRSPACE!!!

They’re probably hoping it disappears.

354
Kragar  Sep 22, 2015 • 10:48:03am

re: #351 blueraven

CNN you so crazy.

BREAKING!! EXCLUSIVE!!!!
POPE’S PLANE ENTERS U.S. AIRSPACE!!!

CNN FOUND A PLANE! HOORAY!

355
Blind Frog Belly White  Sep 22, 2015 • 10:49:03am

re: #352 The Vicious Babushka

[Embedded content]

“It would be extremely painful…”

‘You’re a big boy!’

“…for you.”

356
freetoken  Sep 22, 2015 • 10:49:49am

Suddenly, the fact that Carson is a creationist is headline worthy:

Ben Carson: Big Bang A Fairy Tale, Theory Of Evolution Encouraged By The Devil

357
Eclectic Cyborg  Sep 22, 2015 • 10:50:02am

Are there really women who get excited about having an abortion?

Are there really women who celebrate it?

Are there really women who get pleasure from ending the life inside them?

It just boggles my mind how the GOP is apparently convinced women see abortions as some kind of flippant, thrill seeking thing that’s really not a big deal.

358
CuriousLurker  Sep 22, 2015 • 10:50:05am

re: #348 Dr Lizardo

A comical protest against President Zeman, who’s widely regarded by a good many Czechs as Putin’s stooge in Prague Castle.

The red shorts are meant to be reminiscent of the Communist era here, when boys wore red shorts and white tank tops during P.E.

Ah, okay. Thanks!

359
jaunte  Sep 22, 2015 • 10:50:55am

re: #357 Eclectic Cyborg

Any lie that sticks.

360
The Vicious Babushka  Sep 22, 2015 • 10:50:56am

STUPIDEST MEME OF THE DAY==>
Although it actually makes sense if they are pulling up the “Freedom” rungs out of the hole and selling them to the unseen crowd they’re yelling “More Rungs!” at

361
wrenchwench  Sep 22, 2015 • 10:51:09am
362
b_sharp  Sep 22, 2015 • 10:52:13am

re: #328 wrenchwench

They’re blue when he’s relaxed or hungry.

Manipulative devil.

363
Kragar  Sep 22, 2015 • 10:52:25am
364
wrenchwench  Sep 22, 2015 • 10:53:44am

re: #362 b_sharp

Manipulative devil.

That he is! His name is Presta, and we sometimes call him Press da buttons.

365
Blind Frog Belly White  Sep 22, 2015 • 10:54:09am

re: #357 Eclectic Cyborg

In order for their views to make sense, even to them, women seeking abortions must be either total hedonistic sluts who care nothing about anyone or anything but their own pleasure, OR too ignorant to understand that what they’re carrying will become a baby. I’ve even heard the argument that all late term abortions are women who couldn’t be bothered to get abortions sooner.

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wrenchwench  Sep 22, 2015 • 10:55:11am

re: #357 Eclectic Cyborg

Are there really women who get excited about having an abortion?

Are there really women who celebrate it?

Are there really women who get pleasure from ending the life inside them?

It just boggles my mind how the GOP is apparently convinced women see abortions as some kind of flippant, thrill seeking thing that’s really not a big deal.

The only important feeling had by the woman is the desire not to be pregnant.

367
CuriousLurker  Sep 22, 2015 • 10:55:27am

re: #349 The Vicious Babushka

LOLWUT? Blocked it.

368
Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Sep 22, 2015 • 10:55:49am

re: #365 Blind Frog Belly White

In order for their views to make sense, even to them, women seeking abortions must be either total hedonistic sluts who care nothing about anyone or anything but their own pleasure, OR too ignorant to understand that what they’re carrying will become a baby. I’ve even heard the argument that all late term abortions are women who couldn’t be bothered to get abortions sooner.

Women who have sex and get pregnant outside of wedlock are by definition hedonistic sluts…

369
The Vicious Babushka  Sep 22, 2015 • 10:56:01am

re: #365 Blind Frog Belly White

In order for their views to make sense, even to them, women seeking abortions must be either total hedonistic sluts who care nothing about anyone or anything but their own pleasure, OR too ignorant to understand that what they’re carrying will become a baby. I’ve even heard the argument that all late term abortions are women who couldn’t be bothered to get abortions sooner.

Or they are FEMINIST LIBRULS WHO GETS PREGNENT & CARRIES TEH BABY UNTIL ONE DAY BEFORE IT’S BORN JUST FOR TEH LULZ!!!!!!

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Kragar  Sep 22, 2015 • 11:00:33am

Your GOP Base everyone….

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makeitstop  Sep 22, 2015 • 11:02:29am

This story made my day!

Puppy shoots Florida Man

A man who tried to shoot seven puppies was shot himself when one of the dogs put its paw on the revolver’s trigger.

Jerry Allen Bradford, 37, was being treated at a hospital for a gunshot wound to his wrist.

Bradford said he decided to shoot the 3-month-old shepherd-mix dogs in the head because he couldn’t find them a home, according to the sheriff’s office.

On Monday, Bradford was holding two puppies — one in his arms and another in his left hand — when the dog in his hand wiggled and put its paw on the trigger of the .38-caliber revolver. The gun then discharged, the sheriff’s report said.

Go puppy!

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Eric The Fruit Bat  Sep 22, 2015 • 11:03:47am

re: #24 Dark_Falcon

This drug is listed as an essential drug by the World Health Organization. Quite amazing that in India it costs under a quarter per pill but here in the US it’s now $750.

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Stanley Sea Toujours  Sep 22, 2015 • 11:04:01am

re: #341 wrenchwench

Imma give it away:

[Embedded content]

Dream gig.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Sep 22, 2015 • 11:05:27am

re: #371 Kragar

Another one of those morons. Probably also claims the 16th Amendment wasn’t properly ratified (but continues to pay his income taxes), or claims the 1st Amendment only applies to Congress, and that states can establish a state religion if they want (as if the 14th Amendment didn’t exist).

I always enjoy telling them that the rest of us all got together and decided that the Supreme Court has the authority, and that he agrees to accept this every day when he doesn’t leave.

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CuriousLurker  Sep 22, 2015 • 11:07:55am

For every bigoted, hateful Christian there are probably a dozen others who are quietly & humbly trying to do good and who realize most Muslims are doing the same. This is a nice article , worth reading the whole thing:

…

Edit: I decided this one deserved being turned into a Page: littlegreenfootballs.com

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Jebediah, RBG  Sep 22, 2015 • 12:27:19pm

re: #364 wrenchwench

Does he have a larger-diameter sibling named Schrader?

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danarchy  Sep 22, 2015 • 12:29:48pm

re: #316 Eventual Carrion

I hope he lives on the coast and when hurricane is coming in the lumberyard charges him $450 for each $3.75 sheet of plywood.

Where do you buy your plywood, because apparently I am over paying :)

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wrenchwench  Sep 22, 2015 • 12:33:23pm

re: #377 Jebediah, RBG

Does he have a larger-diameter sibling named Schrader?

He does! Schrader is part Manx and has a short, fat tail whereas Presta’s is long and thin. And they are litter mates! I haven’t got the tail-portait done yet, but here’s one of Schrader:

Skepticat.
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Jebediah, RBG  Sep 22, 2015 • 12:54:37pm

re: #379 wrenchwench

Awesome! And awesome side-eye, too…


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