Monday Night Song: Shawn Colvin, “Hold On”

God bless your crooked little heart
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One of my most-loved singers performs one of my most-loved songs, a Tom Waits composition titled, “Hold On.” This is from Shawn’s latest album, Uncovered.

They hung a sign up in our town
“If you live it up, you won’t live it down”
So she left Monte Rio, son
Just like a bullet leaves a gun
With her charcoal eyes and Monroe hips
She went and took that California trip
Oh, the moon was gold, her hair like wind
Said, ‘Don’t look back, just come on, Jim’

Oh, you got to hold on, hold on
You gotta hold on
Take my hand, I’m standing right here
You gotta hold on

Well, he gave her a dimestore watch
And a ring made from a spoon
Everyone’s looking for someone to blame
When you share my bed, you share my name
Well, go ahead and call the cops
You don’t meet nice girls in coffee shops
She said, ‘Baby, I still love you’
Sometimes there’s nothin’ left to do

Oh, but you got to hold on, hold on
Babe, you gotta hold on
And take my hand, I’m standing right here
You gotta hold on

Well, God bless your crooked little heart
St. Louis got the best of me
I miss your broken China voice
How I wish you were still here with me
Oh, you build it up, you wreck it down
Then you burn your mansion to the ground
Oh, there’s nothing left to keep you here
But when you’re falling behind in this big blue world

Oh, you’ve got to hold on, hold on
Babe, you gotta hold on
Take my hand, I’m standing right here
You gotta hold on

Down by the Riverside motel
It’s 10 below and falling
By a 99 cent store
She closed her eyes and started swaying
But it’s so hard to dance that way
When it’s cold and there’s no music
Oh, your old hometown’s so far away
But inside your head there’s a record that’s playing

A song called ‘Hold On’, hold on
Babe, you gotta hold on
Take my hand, I’m standing right there
You gotta hold on

You gotta hold on, hold on
Babe, you gotta hold on
Take my hand, I’m standing right there
You gotta hold on

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454 comments
1
Jenner7  Sep 28, 2015 • 7:33:42pm
2
wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Sep 28, 2015 • 7:34:58pm

“Sunny Came Home” still haunts me years after its release.

Fun factoid: Shawn and I were both born in January 1956, 18 days apart.

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Higgs Boson's Mate  Sep 28, 2015 • 7:36:47pm

re: #2 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

“Sunny Came Home” still haunts me years after its release.

Fun factoid: Shawn and I were both born in January 1956, 18 days apart.

But, can you sing?

4
Reality Based Steve  Sep 28, 2015 • 7:37:38pm

When that Nigerian Prince Money hits my bank acct, I’m so getting these in the driveway….

78 Ford Cruising Pinto and Van
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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Sep 28, 2015 • 7:37:55pm

re: #3 Higgs Boson’s Mate

But, can you sing?

Yes, but not as well as she.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Sep 28, 2015 • 7:38:26pm

re: #4 Reality Based Steve

When that Nigerian Prince Money hits my bank acct, I’m so getting these in the driveway….

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They’re boss, man!

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Charles Johnson  Sep 28, 2015 • 7:38:55pm

re: #2 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

“Sunny Came Home” still haunts me years after its release.

Many people probably didn’t realize how dark and disturbing that song is.

8
teleskiguy  Sep 28, 2015 • 7:39:27pm

This stupid Facebook hoax is running rampant again for some reason.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Sep 28, 2015 • 7:40:26pm

re: #7 Charles Johnson

Many people probably didn’t realize how dark and disturbing that song is.

If you pay close attention to the lyrics, it’s pretty clear Sunny’s got some nefarious plans for revenge.

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Higgs Boson's Mate  Sep 28, 2015 • 7:40:40pm

re: #4 Reality Based Steve

I’ll bet you get some cool chicks with those chariots. “Don’t bother knockin’ when this van’s a rockin’!”

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Reality Based Steve  Sep 28, 2015 • 7:44:12pm

re: #8 teleskiguy

This stupid Facebook hoax is running rampant again for some reason.

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My personal fav for things like that….
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Higgs Boson's Mate  Sep 28, 2015 • 7:46:40pm

re: #4 Reality Based Steve

When that Nigerian Prince Money hits my bank acct, I’m so getting these in the driveway….

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There is only one car; Maserati Tipo 61 (Birdcage):

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stpaulbear  Sep 28, 2015 • 7:48:24pm

Shawn Colvin - Get Out Of This House

14
bratwurst  Sep 28, 2015 • 7:49:09pm

Today:

Tomorrow:

Wednesday:

STOP IT STOP IT STOP IT STOP IT!

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Jenner7  Sep 28, 2015 • 7:50:11pm

Grrrr! The pirates blew it at the last minute and lost. My husband is not happy. He threw his hat and telling the TV to fuck off. lol

16
stpaulbear  Sep 28, 2015 • 7:51:09pm

re: #4 Reality Based Steve

That looks like a cross between a Pinto and a Gremlin. I wonder if that extended length made it less likely to blow up?

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Sep 28, 2015 • 7:51:24pm

Bing photo today is a selfie by the Mars rover.

Curiosity selfie on Bing
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Stanley Sea Toujours  Sep 28, 2015 • 7:51:47pm

re: #15 Jenner7

Grrrr! The pirates blew it at the last minute and lost. My husband is not happy. He threw his hat and telling the TV to fuck off. lol

That was the Cardinals game? I saw the replay of the Piscotty collision. Horrific. Hope he’s OK.

And that’s why they won!

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freetoken  Sep 28, 2015 • 7:51:55pm

So, it appears as if some are saying that Ben Carson is “surging” in the polls exactly for his statement about Muslims being unfit for the Presidency.

I wish I made that up.

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teleskiguy  Sep 28, 2015 • 7:52:18pm

re: #15 Jenner7

Grrrr! The pirates blew it at the last minute and lost. My husband is not happy. He threw his hat and telling the TV to fuck off. lol

The bass player from my favorite touring rock ‘n’ roll circus can’t be happy about this.

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Stanley Sea Toujours  Sep 28, 2015 • 7:52:27pm

re: #17 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

Bing photo today is a selfie by the Mars rover.

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The google doodle is good.

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Jenner7  Sep 28, 2015 • 7:53:26pm

re: #18 Stanley Sea Toujours

Oh no! I forgot about that collision. I hope he’s okay too.

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Stanley Sea Toujours  Sep 28, 2015 • 7:54:08pm

re: #22 Jenner7

Oh no! I forgot about that collision. I hope he’s okay too.

Unfortunately Deadspin had it on infinite loop. :(

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Jenner7  Sep 28, 2015 • 7:54:32pm

re: #23 Stanley Sea Toujours

Gah! I hate when they do that.

25
Kragar  Sep 28, 2015 • 8:03:25pm
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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Sep 28, 2015 • 8:03:44pm

re: #7 Charles Johnson

Paula Cole’s “Where have All the Cowboys Gone?” was also moving in some ways, but for different reasons. That and “Sunny Came Home” got a lot of airplay.

Looking back at the Billboard Hot 100s for the late ’90s, there were a lot of great songs then.

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Higgs Boson's Mate  Sep 28, 2015 • 8:03:47pm

re: #16 stpaulbear

That looks like a cross between a Pinto and a Gremlin. I wonder if that extended length made it less likely to blow up?

It was a Pinto sedan delivery with trick paint. IOW, slightly less likely (before the retrofit) than a sedan to shower the occupants with flaming gasoline if rear-ended.

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Stanley Sea Toujours  Sep 28, 2015 • 8:11:43pm

Jenner, I’m going to re-watch Cobalt - FTWD now.

I want to see again what Griselda (is that the name of that poor lady?) was saying while in shock.

Among many other things. It was chock full of stuff, that ep was.

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Jenner7  Sep 28, 2015 • 8:12:45pm

Utah Planned Parenthood plans to sue Governor Gary Herbert

Planned Parenthood Association of Utah sued Gov. Gary Herbert on Monday and wants a federal judge to stop his order to cut off the organization’s federal funds before it takes effect Wednesday.

“While we have always known that playing politics with the lives of Utahns is wrong and short-sighted, we have learned that Gov. Herbert’s actions are also unconstitutional,” said Utah Planned Parenthood CEO Karrie Galloway. “We aren’t going to stand idly by. We aren’t going to allow the governor to play politics with our health and our lives. We are standing up and fighting back.”

Here’s the kicker:

Utah Planned Parenthood provides reproductive health care to about 46,000 people each year. It does not participate in any program that provides fetal tissue for scientific research, according to the lawsuit.

ksl.com

So, why is he doing this?? I’d say cause he’s a dick.

30
Reality Based Steve  Sep 28, 2015 • 8:17:28pm

re: #29 Jenner7

Because in the minds of the RWNJ’s PP is the embodiment of Satan on Earth, and must be destroyed.

RBS

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jaunte  Sep 28, 2015 • 8:20:44pm

re: #19 freetoken

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TedStriker  Sep 28, 2015 • 8:21:57pm

re: #31 jaunte

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LOL

Fake redneck supports fake conservative.

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SteveMcGaziBolaGate  Sep 28, 2015 • 8:21:59pm

Trevor Noah seems to have gotten off to an excellent start.

34
Unabogie  Sep 28, 2015 • 8:22:22pm
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Unabogie  Sep 28, 2015 • 8:23:01pm

re: #33 SteveMcGaziBolaGate

Trevor Noah seems to have gotten off to an excellent start.

What’s the highlight?

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SteveMcGaziBolaGate  Sep 28, 2015 • 8:26:36pm

The opening two minutes and a segment when Jordan Klepper begs John (Boehner) to come back. On the whole, the first two segments were strong.

37
SteveMcGaziBolaGate  Sep 28, 2015 • 8:28:16pm

I noticed that The Daily Show was being broadcast on a bunch of different channels.

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bratwurst  Sep 28, 2015 • 8:28:50pm

I knew it!!!!11!!

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Eclectic Cyborg  Sep 28, 2015 • 8:31:39pm

re: #7 Charles Johnson

Many people probably didn’t realize how dark and disturbing that song is.

I admit I didn’t but I just went and read the lyrics. I get it now.

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jaunte  Sep 28, 2015 • 8:33:11pm

re: #38 bratwurst

How on earthmars is water leftist?

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jaunte  Sep 28, 2015 • 8:34:27pm

Time for the President and Flotus to encourage water drinking.

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Stanley Sea Toujours  Sep 28, 2015 • 8:34:31pm

From earlier

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Belafon  Sep 28, 2015 • 8:34:54pm

re: #40 jaunte

How on earthmars is water leftist?

Science!!!

I was going to make a long explanation about taking care of earth and such but it’s really about science. If they can find water on mars, then maybe these scientists know a thing or two and maybe we should pay attention to them instead of Rush.

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Stanley Sea Toujours  Sep 28, 2015 • 8:35:34pm

Parent tweet box is checked. I don’t understand why it’s there sometimes & other times not. Most likely user error.

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stpaulbear  Sep 28, 2015 • 8:36:09pm

re: #38 bratwurst

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I knew it!!!!11!!

Here’s NASA’s answer to Rush:

Buzz Aldrin Punch

That last sound is so satisfying.

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William Lewis  Sep 28, 2015 • 8:40:37pm

re: #7 Charles Johnson

Many people probably didn’t realize how dark and disturbing that song is.

Only the same people that have “Every Breath You Take” at their wedding… O_o

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jaunte  Sep 28, 2015 • 8:44:36pm

Jeb! continues the successful R outreach to minority voters.

“…At a campaign event in South Carolina on Thursday, Republican presidential candidate Jeb Bush was asked how he planned to include black people in his campaign and get them to vote for him.

Bush responded, “Our message is one of hope and aspiration.” But he didn’t stop there. He continued: “It isn’t one of division and get in line and we’ll take care of you with free stuff. Our message is one that is uplifting — that says you can achieve earned success.”
nytimes.com

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Sep 28, 2015 • 8:44:57pm

re: #40 jaunte

How on earthmars is water leftist?

Because if Mars has water, there must be treehuggers there.

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jaunte  Sep 28, 2015 • 8:45:58pm
“You can achieve earned success.”

“Who’s your daddy?”

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Sep 28, 2015 • 8:47:41pm

re: #49 jaunte

“Who’s your daddy?”

Really. How exactly did Jeb! get his money and position? Sure wasn’t from working his way up from a grunt job in the barrio.

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Joe Bacon  Sep 28, 2015 • 8:49:02pm

re: #45 stpaulbear

Here’s NASA’s answer to Rush:

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That last sound is so satisfying.

Few things give me as much pleasure as seeing Buzz smack that idiot down!

52
Jenner7  Sep 28, 2015 • 8:49:27pm

The Cardinals outfielder is staying the night in the hospital with a head contusion.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Sep 28, 2015 • 8:51:54pm

re: #46 William Lewis

Only the same people that have “Every Breath You Take” at their wedding… O_o

Or call in radio requests for “The One I love”.

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blueraven  Sep 28, 2015 • 8:52:11pm

Wow! FLOTUS made quite the entry on Colbert. She looks hot!

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Sep 28, 2015 • 8:56:23pm

re: #46 William Lewis

Only the same people that have “Every Breath You Take” at their wedding… O_o

Catchy melody with disturbing lyrics.

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Brian J.  Sep 28, 2015 • 8:56:41pm

re: #31 jaunte

Even here, we’re sick of him. His forays into politics have not gone well.

The Robertsons spent hundreds of thousands of dollars supporting Vance McAlister in his run for Congress after Rodney Alexander quit in the fall of 2013. McAlister won, because his opponent was a Tea Party nut, Neil Riser.

Almost immediately after the election, McAlister celebrated by having an affair with one of his staffers, whom he fired once it became public. Pretty much every GOoPer in the state demanded his resignation, which he refused to do. In the general election, McAlister won 11% of the vote, which is dead-girl-AND-live-boy territory.

The kicker: The Bearded Bozos had moved on to support another Tea Party nut, Zach Dasher, who also failed to make the runoff. Not that Ralph Abraham is any great shakes, but he’s at least got better taste in allies.

(And it’s not like these Quackers were doing Jindal any good.)

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Sep 28, 2015 • 8:58:26pm

re: #56 Brian J.

Even here, we’re sick of him. His forays into politics have not gone well.

The Robertsons spent hundreds of thousands of dollars supporting Vance McAlister in his run for Congress after Rodney Alexander quit in the fall of 2013. McAlister won, because his opponent was a Tea Party nut, Neil Riser.

Almost immediately after the election, McAlister celebrated by having an affair with one of his staffers, whom he fired once it became public. Pretty much every GOoPer in the state demanded his resignation, which he refused to do. In the general election, McAlister won 11% of the vote, which is dead-girl-AND-live-boy territory.

The kicker: The Bearded Bozos had moved on to support another Tea Party nut, Zach Dasher, who also failed to make the runoff. Not that Ralph Abraham is any great shakes, but he’s at least got better taste in allies.

So, with this track record, Robertson’s support of Trump means Trump is sure to crash and burn.

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Brian J.  Sep 28, 2015 • 9:00:11pm

re: #53 Eclectic Cyborg

Or “Time of Your Life” by Green Day. You know, the one whose actual title is “Good Riddance.”

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SteveMcGaziBolaGate  Sep 28, 2015 • 9:04:29pm

I always liked the way “More Than Words” is always misunderstood.

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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Sep 28, 2015 • 9:07:09pm

re: #47 jaunte

“…At a campaign event in South Carolina on Thursday, Republican presidential candidate Jeb Bush was asked how he planned to include black people in his campaign and get them to vote for him.

Bush responded, “Our message is one of hope and aspiration.” But he didn’t stop there. He continued: “It isn’t one of division and get in line and we’ll take care of you with free stuff. Our message is one that is uplifting — that says you can achieve earned success.”

and yet wingnuts on fox news are already reacting to it out of context and saying that libberuls are racist to say it was about black people

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BeenHereAwhile  Sep 28, 2015 • 9:07:44pm

re: #10 Higgs Boson’s Mate

I’ll bet you get some cool chicks with those chariots. “Don’t bother knockin’ when this van’s a rockin’!”

Billy Joe’s take with a twist:

“If the trailer’s rockin’ don’t come knockin’ on my door.
If you can read it’s plain to see you ain’t welcome here no more.
Ah your jackrabbit lovin’ and your drinkin’ and your snorin’ don’t work for me no more.
So if the trailer’s rockin’ then don’t come knockin’ on my door.

I thought she would be so easy to control.
I never dreamed that she would leave me standin’ in the cold.
Now the cold hard facts got me frozen in my tracks as I stand here at her door.
Because the trailer’s rockin’ a whole lot more than it ever rocked before.

I was a couch potato I just kinda laid there when we made love each night.
I was watching TV while she was working on me and now you know that ain’t right.
I didn’t have a job and I snored like a hog and I drank beer all day long.
Now the trailer’s rockin’ and somebody’s shakin’ the hell out of my home.”
Billy Joe Shaver

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Eclectic Cyborg  Sep 28, 2015 • 9:08:08pm

re: #58 Brian J.

Or “Time of Your Life” by Green Day. You know, the one whose actual title is “Good Riddance.”

That song became big the year I graduated high school. Do NOT get me started!

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Charles Johnson  Sep 28, 2015 • 9:10:12pm
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teleskiguy  Sep 28, 2015 • 9:11:27pm

re: #63 Charles Johnson

The MORON LABEL always gives them away.

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jaunte  Sep 28, 2015 • 9:11:47pm

re: #63 Charles Johnson

“I’m here to find out what you think is truth.”

Not.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Sep 28, 2015 • 9:13:45pm

re: #64 teleskiguy

The MORON LABEL always gives them away.

Now all I can hear in my head is “Look for…the Moron Label!” to the catchy tune of ‘Look for the Union label”.

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Stanley Sea Toujours  Sep 28, 2015 • 9:14:04pm

re: #54 blueraven

Wow! FLOTUS made quite the entry on Colbert. She looks hot!

Lots going on tonight!!!

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KGxvi  Sep 28, 2015 • 9:18:40pm

re: #65 jaunte

“I’m here to find out what you think is truth.”

You know, that almost sounds open minded. But based on everything else in that profile, I’m guessing if your truth doesn’t match their truth, you’re going to get lectured hectored

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William Lewis  Sep 28, 2015 • 9:19:40pm

re: #58 Brian J.

Or “Time of Your Life” by Green Day. You know, the one whose actual title is “Good Riddance.”

There’s an exquisite cover of that by Glen Campbell…

Glen Campbell - Good Riddance (Time Of Your Life)

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sizzzzlerz  Sep 28, 2015 • 9:19:46pm

re: #52 Jenner7

The Cardinals outfielder is staying the night in the hospital with a head contusion.

I was watching the game when it happened. I’ve never seen a collision like that where one of the players simply did not move afterwards. It was truly scary and the stadium was dead quiet with everyone standing. The replay showed the knee of the centerfielder hitting the other player right in the face, knocking him out for a few minutes. As they were carting him off, he gave a little wave and I and thousands more gave a big sigh of relief.

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retired cynic  Sep 28, 2015 • 9:21:43pm

re: #70 sizzzzlerz

My first fear was that he was dead. It was just so hard and so fast.

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Stanley Sea Toujours  Sep 28, 2015 • 9:24:05pm

re: #71 retired cynic

My first fear was that he was dead. It was just so hard and so fast.

I thought broken neck. It stretched.

Thank Dog he waved.

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retired cynic  Sep 28, 2015 • 9:25:37pm

re: #72 Stanley Sea Toujours

He’s one of my favorite young players. Hasn’t been up in the majors very long, but always so serious, calm, unflustered. Just a superior young player.

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Stanley Sea Toujours  Sep 28, 2015 • 9:37:06pm

OK, rewatch of FTWD complete. Brief take:

Click to Reveal

The cinematography of Alicia & Chris trashing the rich people house was really good. Ruben Blades is chilling as Daniel Salizar. He and his wife were the bad guys in El Salvador I take it. Strand & Nick are going to be good to watch next….Cobalt refers to the similar Redeker plan from WWZ. Can’t believe it’s such a short run, next week = end.

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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Sep 28, 2015 • 9:38:58pm

Do You See The World Through Wingnut Colored Glasses?

“At this point people no longer want freedom except in the area of morality. They want to be as morally corrupt as their dirty minds can dream up. Well, and maybe as drugged as their adolescent foolishness can dream up. Other than those 2 areas, they want to be entirely managed by government, even in the area of speech. They want to be whacked out on heroin while they have sex with whatever they want and they want the government to demand than no one criticize them for it. That is American Utopia 2015. Pretty sad”

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Stanley Sea Toujours  Sep 28, 2015 • 9:39:40pm

And with that I’m oooot.

See ya tomorrow!

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Blind Frog Belly White  Sep 28, 2015 • 9:40:45pm

re: #75 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸

Do You See The World Through Wingnut Colored Glasses?

“At this point people no longer want freedom except in the area of morality. They want to be as morally corrupt as their dirty minds can dream up. Well, and maybe as drugged as their adolescent foolishness can dream up. Other than those 2 areas, they want to be entirely managed by government, even in the area of speech. They want to be whacked out on heroin while they have sex with whatever they want and they want the government to demand than no one criticize them for it. That is American Utopia 2015. Pretty sad”

Oh, for the love of mike. Talk about projection.

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retired cynic  Sep 28, 2015 • 9:43:21pm

They can’t possibly have gotten this far in life without having met someone who was normal and yet identified as liberal. What denial.

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Lancelot Link  Sep 28, 2015 • 9:44:00pm

re: #66 Blind Frog Belly White

Now all I can hear in my head is “Look for…the Moron Label!” to the catchy tune of ‘Look for the Union label”.

I’m glad I’m not the only one.

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jaunte  Sep 28, 2015 • 9:44:27pm
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BlueSpotinAL  Sep 28, 2015 • 9:46:10pm

re: #66 Blind Frog Belly White

Now all I can hear in my head is “Look for…the Moron Label!” to the catchy tune of ‘Look for the Union label”.

That was the first thing I thought when I saw Charles’ original picture from the twit.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Sep 28, 2015 • 9:46:40pm

re: #75 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸

Do You See The World Through Wingnut Colored Glasses?

“At this point people no longer want freedom except in the area of morality. They want to be as morally corrupt as their dirty minds can dream up. Well, and maybe as drugged as their adolescent foolishness can dream up. Other than those 2 areas, they want to be entirely managed by government, even in the area of speech. They want to be whacked out on heroin while they have sex with whatever they want and they want the government to demand than no one criticize them for it. That is American Utopia 2015. Pretty sad”

Whence come these pearls of prose?

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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Sep 28, 2015 • 9:46:55pm

re: #78 retired cynic

They can’t possibly have gotten this far in life without having met someone who was normal and yet identified as liberal. What denial.

millions of people like this spend hours everyday elaborating their imaginary “liberals” who bear a curious similarity to the marihuana fields in Reefer Madness

they enjoy it, i guess

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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Sep 28, 2015 • 9:47:14pm

re: #82 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

Whence come these pearls of prose?

freepers

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Pawn of the Oppressor  Sep 28, 2015 • 9:47:24pm

re: #17 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

Bing photo today is a selfie by the Mars rover.

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Wow. Just holy shizzle wow.

Every so often I have to step back and re-remind myself of what I’m seeing, and what an astonishing point in technological history we occupy.

To do: visit Kitty Hawk, see Buzz Aldrin in person, attend a rocket launch.

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Kragar  Sep 28, 2015 • 9:47:36pm

re: #66 Blind Frog Belly White

Now all I can hear in my head is “Look for…the Moron Label!” to the catchy tune of ‘Look for the Union label”.

They’re so quick to say “COME AND TAKE IT” and even quicker to whine when someone does.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Sep 28, 2015 • 9:47:44pm

re: #84 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸

freepers

OK. I never go there.

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Great White Snark  Sep 28, 2015 • 9:47:47pm

Cute moment…

I spy….. A Butterfly!
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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Sep 28, 2015 • 9:50:16pm

re: #85 Pawn of the Oppressor

Wow. Just holy shizzle wow.

Every so often I have to step back and re-remind myself of what I’m seeing, and what an astonishing point in technological history we occupy.

To do: visit Kitty Hawk, see Buzz Aldrin in person, attend a rocket launch.

I just made that photo my desktop background. It begs for a Photoshop of some tourists behind the rover in suitable attire.

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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Sep 28, 2015 • 9:51:34pm

re: #87 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

OK. I never go there.

i was checking out their reaction to the trump tax “plan”. they are a little dissappointed it isnt more regressive

it’s always the same with these republican tax fantasies:

- we’ll lower everybody’s taxes, particularly rich people’s, and it will be revenue neutral!

- um, no it wont

- ok then we’ll pay for it by kicking the minorities offa welfare

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Sep 28, 2015 • 9:51:44pm

re: #85 Pawn of the Oppressor

I’d move Buzz to the first position, given his age.

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Dark_Falcon  Sep 28, 2015 • 9:52:25pm

re: #86 Kragar

They’re so quick to say “COME AND TAKE IT” and even quicker to whine when someone does.

Hence such folks being dubbed “mall ninjas” by those who actually know how to use their guns.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Sep 28, 2015 • 9:54:41pm

re: #90 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸

i was checking out their reaction to the trump tax “plan”. they are a little dissappointed it isnt more regressive

it’s always the same with these republican tax fantasies:

- we’ll lower everybody’s taxes, particularly rich people’s, and it will be revenue neutral!

- um, no it wont

- ok then we’ll pay for it by kicking the minorities offa welfare

Ignoring that “welfare” costs are a tiny part of the federal budget, compared to, oh, say, the defense budget.

Besides, it’s been done before, and it didn’t work. Now Kansas and Wisconsin are poster children for GOP tax policies, and the GOP still doesn’t understand their voodoo economics does not work.

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teleskiguy  Sep 28, 2015 • 9:55:44pm

re: #88 Great White Snark

Pepper! Remember when Pepper graciously spared the life of a duck in the pool?

A Duck Stops By For A Drink

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SteveMcGaziBolaGate  Sep 28, 2015 • 9:56:11pm

re: #85 Pawn of the Oppressor

Wow. Just holy shizzle wow.

Every so often I have to step back and re-remind myself of what I’m seeing, and what an astonishing point in technological history we occupy.

To do: visit Kitty Hawk, see Buzz Aldrin in person, attend a rocket launch.

I saw a launch from Canaveral while I was at Disney. I just happened to have a bad parking spot, bad enough that the hotel didn’t block my line of sight. I realized the red light on the horizon was climbing so I got my camera out and zoomed in. The setting sun lit up the exhaust trail brilliantly and I was able to see the second stage separate.
I’ve been to Kitty Hawk and had my calves sandblasted , so wear long pants. I think a more comprehensive immersion in aviation history is the National Air and Space Museum, and try to take time to visit the Garber facility, where they store and recondition the exhibits.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Sep 28, 2015 • 9:59:08pm

The Republican tax pitch is the classic snake oil salesman trick: Promise you the world, then, when he’s got your money and you’re locked into the transaction…take it all away.

Watch how fast those lower bracket tax cuts disappear if they get into Office.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Sep 28, 2015 • 9:59:28pm

I appear to be building a bit of minor momentum with my blog. I’ll post another link again soon.

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teleskiguy  Sep 28, 2015 • 10:05:53pm

Nice hair, dude.

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Higgs Boson's Mate  Sep 28, 2015 • 10:22:00pm

re: #98 teleskiguy

He doesn’t look at all stoned.

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teleskiguy  Sep 28, 2015 • 10:23:54pm

re: #99 Higgs Boson’s Mate

He doesn’t look at all stoned.

Zappa the patriarch shunned drugs throughout his life. I’m pretty sure the kids took Frank’s advice to heart. :)

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Jay C  Sep 28, 2015 • 10:30:17pm

re: #93 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

Ignoring that “welfare” costs are a tiny part of the federal budget, compared to, oh, say, the defense budget.

I read somewhere, once, that Americans have a tendency, when polled, to overestimate the percentage of Federal expenditures on “welfare” (ex- SocSec and Medicare) by a huge margin (usually guessing 20-25%, I think it’s actually less than 5%) - and have done so consistently for decades, despite accurate figures being easily available.

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Higgs Boson's Mate  Sep 28, 2015 • 10:35:38pm

re: #101 Jay C

I read somewhere, once, that Americans have a tendency, when polled, to overestimate the percentage of Federal expenditures on “welfare” (ex- SocSec and Medicare) by a huge margin (usually guessing 20-25%, I think it’s actually less than 5%) - and have done so consistently for decades, despite accurate figures being easily available.

Americans also overestimate the amount we spend on foreign aid. These misconceptions make it easier for Republicans to sell the idea that we can lower taxes and just cut our way to prosperity.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Sep 28, 2015 • 10:36:46pm

re: #101 Jay C

I read somewhere, once, that Americans have a tendency, when polled, to overestimate the percentage of Federal expenditures on “welfare” (ex- SocSec and Medicare) by a huge margin (usually guessing 20-25%, I think it’s actually less than 5%) - and have done so consistently for decades, despite accurate figures being easily available.

It’s part of the conservatarian disinformation campaign — ignore the huge portion of the budget devoted to the DoD and inflate the tiny percentage assigned to so-called welfare programs, while simultaneously obscuring the fact that SS and Medicare are funded with separate payroll taxes and are technically not part of the federal operating budget.

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Higgs Boson's Mate  Sep 28, 2015 • 10:56:13pm

re: #103 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

Don’t even think about polling them about marginal tax rates.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Sep 28, 2015 • 11:00:29pm

re: #104 Higgs Boson’s Mate

Don’t even think about polling them about marginal tax rates.

Math is hard.

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Kragar  Sep 29, 2015 • 1:29:49am
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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Sep 29, 2015 • 1:56:09am

re: #106 Kragar

House Republicans jostle to push post-Boehner leadership further to the right

the TPGOP is all about ideological purity. Only the purest can be considered for the position of leadership.

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I Stand With Planned Parenthood  Sep 29, 2015 • 2:42:33am

my favorite Shawn Colvin
Shawn Colvin I don’t want to live on the moon

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I Stand With Planned Parenthood  Sep 29, 2015 • 2:43:27am

re: #102 Higgs Boson’s Mate

Americans also overestimate the amount we spend on foreign aid. These misconceptions make it easier for Republicans to sell the idea that we can lower taxes and just cut our way to prosperity.

The majority of what we spend, IIRC, is on the military.

the amount the National Parks gets is downright embarrassing.

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I Stand With Planned Parenthood  Sep 29, 2015 • 2:44:22am

re: #88 Great White Snark

Cute moment…

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that is just stunning.

(I miss my kitty)

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I Stand With Planned Parenthood  Sep 29, 2015 • 2:45:45am

Taliban Fighters Capture Kunduz City as Afghan Forces Retreat

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I Stand With Planned Parenthood  Sep 29, 2015 • 2:53:40am
In an unprecedented survey of more than 400 oncologists at 40 leading cancer centers, nearly half said they had been taught to identify wealthy patients who might be prospective donors. A third had been asked to directly solicit donations — and half of them refused. Three percent had been promised payments if a patient donated.
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I Stand With Planned Parenthood  Sep 29, 2015 • 2:54:01am

As Worries Rise and Players Flee, a Missouri School Board Cuts Football

wow

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goddamnedfrank  Sep 29, 2015 • 3:36:25am
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I Stand With Planned Parenthood  Sep 29, 2015 • 3:38:58am

going back to bed.

Have a great morning all!

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goddamnedfrank  Sep 29, 2015 • 3:49:24am
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Timothy Watson  Sep 29, 2015 • 4:28:39am

I would like to thank Windows Update for fucking up my computer.

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Timothy Watson  Sep 29, 2015 • 4:45:43am

Finally managed to get my computer to boot by switching the video from Nvidia video card to the integrated GPU.

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darthstar  Sep 29, 2015 • 4:56:19am
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darthstar  Sep 29, 2015 • 4:57:44am

re: #119 darthstar

Ha!

“Just one problem: Beginning Sunday night, PredictIt, the biggest of the online sites and the one referenced last week by top Bush advisers and confidants, placed Marco Rubio ahead of Bush at the head of the GOP pack. The sudden evaporation of yet another data point in his favor explains the tension in and around Bush’s campaign this week on the eve of the third quarter FEC fundraising deadline.”

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darthstar  Sep 29, 2015 • 4:59:44am
Winchester Jesus saves his ammo
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Dark_Falcon  Sep 29, 2015 • 5:05:39am

re: #103 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

It’s part of the conservatarian disinformation campaign — ignore the huge portion of the budget devoted to the DoD and inflate the tiny percentage assigned to so-called welfare programs, while simultaneously obscuring the fact that SS and Medicare are funded with separate payroll taxes and are technically not part of the federal operating budget.

Only if you look at discretionary spending. Add what is considered mandatory spending in and entitlements consume a huge portion of the budget.

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Targetpractice  Sep 29, 2015 • 5:07:30am

re: #119 darthstar

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Love this comment:

“Knowing what we know now, yes I would have gone into Iraq.”
If you had the donors all in one room, their sphincters snapping shut would sound like gunfire.

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darthstar  Sep 29, 2015 • 5:08:32am
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Joe Bacon  Sep 29, 2015 • 5:11:13am

re: #124 darthstar

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Count me among the liars. Pollsters kept calling me all through 2012. I lied and told them I was a solid Romney backer. I had to suppress my laughter when I marked my ballot for Obama!

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Sep 29, 2015 • 5:11:17am

So people lie to pollsters? Who knew?

This is a big problem, we live in a country where we want everything right away:

instant diets, get-rich-quick schemes that work overnight and our election results thirteen months in advance.

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Timothy Watson  Sep 29, 2015 • 5:12:43am

re: #125 Joe Bacon

Count me among the liars. Pollsters kept calling me all through 2012. I lied and told them I was a solid Romney backer. I had to suppress my laughter when I marked my ballot for Obama!

15% of people said that they didn’t vote for Ken Cuccinelli in 2013, when he ran for Governor, because he wasn’t conservative enough.

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Targetpractice  Sep 29, 2015 • 5:16:58am

There truly would be nothing funnier to watch than the mad scramble of the GOP in the wake of Jeb! dropping out of the race. Because it was his nomination to lose, that’s what all the smart money was saying not six months ago. If he bows out, who are they supposed to look to for the “safe” bet?

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darthstar  Sep 29, 2015 • 5:17:04am

Saw this yesterday…had to laugh.

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darthstar  Sep 29, 2015 • 5:20:45am
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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Sep 29, 2015 • 5:23:35am

re: #130 darthstar

Not so easy getting endorsements for her in the GOP.
“Can I have your endorsement for Maj Leader?”
“Got a penis?”
“No.”
“Sorry.”

well, lack of a penis disqualifies her from voting on women’s issues…

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darthstar  Sep 29, 2015 • 5:26:19am
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darthstar  Sep 29, 2015 • 5:29:38am
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darthstar  Sep 29, 2015 • 5:32:25am
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freetoken  Sep 29, 2015 • 5:41:53am

Repeating myself, yet again ….

When I look at how the current political races are going, in particular the GOP nomination for President, it becomes all the more clear that we are seeing the splatter of a worldview collapse.

Huckabee, Jindal, Cruz, Carson - all are grifters making money off of the masses of magical-thinking religious people lost in the mechanistic world of science.

Trump - is on an ego trip fueled by Americans who want to identify with some mythical European colonial past but who don’t want a European-like present (the Europe which is still struggling to overcome millennia of tribal nation-state warfare.)

I wish we had leaders who would openly confront this issue. The closest we had was Obama and his statement about clinging to guns and the Bible, a statement from which he later distanced himself. But he was correct in his first assessment.

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A Mom Anon  Sep 29, 2015 • 5:42:20am

re: #122 Dark_Falcon

OK then, how much of the budget is spent actually helping people who are struggling? Let’s just include Medicare/Medicaid, Food Stamps (SNAP), WIC and those dreaded “welfare checks” that some people like to bitch about. How much total money per year is spent on just those things? Also, just for fun, how much is spent on education per year?

Then let’s compare and contrast those numbers with just the waste and fraud in the DoD budget. No one complains loudly about that shit ever.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 29, 2015 • 5:43:07am
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darthstar  Sep 29, 2015 • 5:47:13am

re: #12 Higgs Boson’s Mate

There is only one car; Maserati Tipo 61 (Birdcage):

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My dog would look so good riding in that with me.

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darthstar  Sep 29, 2015 • 5:48:11am

re: #137 Backwoods_Sleuth

Dumb dog…those aren’t shoes, they’re crocs.

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Dark_Falcon  Sep 29, 2015 • 5:49:02am

re: #128 Targetpractice

There truly would be nothing funnier to watch than the mad scramble of the GOP in the wake of Jeb! dropping out of the race. Because it was his nomination to lose, that’s what all the smart money was saying not six months ago. If he bows out, who are they supposed to look to for the “safe” bet?

I’d wager it would be Marco Rubio. I know I’ve been beating this particular drum for months now, but he did scoop up most of Scott Walker’s key staff and donors when Walker dropped out, he’s got the energy and fire Jeb Bush can’t seem to muster, and no less a personage than Charles Koch weighed in on Rubio and pronounced him to be a good presidential candidate.

So if Jeb quits, look for Rubio to swipe his support. At that point, Rubio would finally have enough support that he would be able and required to take on Donald Trump directly.

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lawhawk  Sep 29, 2015 • 5:50:04am

Greets and saluts from the NYC metro area.

Saw this come over the wires:

Chucky could not be reached for comment.

Meanwhile, the House GOP is moving yet again to gut the ACA through reconciliation. They’re looking to eliminate the individual and employer mandates and the tax on medical devices. They aren’t providing any way to fill the revenue hole they leave either, so it’ll add to the deficit and likely spur reductions in access to health insurance.

This is the party of personal responsibility.
This is the party of fiscal responsibility.

Or so they keep claiming despite all facts to the contrary. They have neither personal nor fiscal responsibility. They are feckless and reckless and only heap more BS on the nation with nonsensical tax plans that shift tax burdens to those least able to afford them while the rich continue to get ever more tax breaks.

Of course, overnight my twitter feed filled up with people claiming that pundits and tax experts aren’t taking into account the economic growth that would result from Trump’s vaporware plans. That, despite the fact the plan isn’t a plan and trickle down like Trump’s is based on assumptions that have never come to pass - not the rate of growth, not the job creation, not any of it.

And when none of that materializes, they demand spending cuts that would destroy the safety net - the real goal of these know-nothings.

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darthstar  Sep 29, 2015 • 5:51:09am

re: #135 freetoken

Trump - is on an ego trip fueled by Americans who want to identify with some mythical European colonial past but who don’t want a European-like present (the Europe which is still struggling to overcome millennia of tribal nation-state warfare.)

Trump is spending his kids’ inheritance having fun. When(not if) he loses, he’ll say, “Well, I gave it a good try and had fun.” and he’ll move on to something else while he still has the energy to play in the public’s field of vision.

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darthstar  Sep 29, 2015 • 5:55:33am

re: #140 Dark_Falcon

So if Jeb quits, look for Rubio to swipe his support. At that point, Rubio would finally have enough support that he would be able and required to take on Donald Trump directly.

If Rubio can’t take on Trump directly now, he’ll never be able to do it convincingly.

I know why you like him…he’s young, he’s cute, he’s slightly ethnic, and he’s got the spine of a jellyfish on major issues like Immigration Reform…He’s everything the GOP could ever want in a candidate.

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Sep 29, 2015 • 5:56:32am

re: #135 freetoken

It is my personal and subjective opinion that most Americans are pretty conservative in their personal tastes and morals, but fairly liberal when it comes to accepting and tolerating what others do.

That is a major error that the GOP makes in estimating how conservative we really are.

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Dark_Falcon  Sep 29, 2015 • 5:56:56am

re: #141 lawhawk

I would be interested to hear your thoughts on the Port Authority’s new ethics code.

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darthstar  Sep 29, 2015 • 5:57:46am

Back to Rouhani comparing the Republicans to Saddam Hussein again…that’s really fucking funny and something I don’t think any of them saw coming.

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darthstar  Sep 29, 2015 • 5:59:03am

re: #145 Dark_Falcon

I would be interested to hear your thoughts on the Port Authority’s new ethics code.

What do you mean, “No hookers in the office before 8pm?”

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Dark_Falcon  Sep 29, 2015 • 6:00:49am

re: #143 darthstar

Nobody in the Republican primary can go head-to-head with Trump without have double-digit poll numbers first. Without those, Trump will simply belittle them as a “low-energy pipsqueak” and so far that tactic has worked well. Rubio needs somewhere around 3% more in the polls plus good timing.

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freetoken  Sep 29, 2015 • 6:02:31am

The future, which so many fear, is here:

Gene-edited ‘micropigs’ to be sold as pets at Chinese institute

[…]

BGI in Shenzhen, the genomics institute that is famous for a series of high-profile breakthroughs in genomic sequencing, originally created the micropigs as models for human disease, by applying a gene-editing technique to a small breed of pig known as Bama. On 23 September, at the Shenzhen International Biotech Leaders Summit in China, BGI revealed that it would start selling the pigs as pets. The animals weigh about 15 kilograms when mature, or about the same as a medium-sized dog.

[…]

To make the smaller, gene-edited micropigs, BGI made cloned pigs from cells taken from a Bama fetus. But before they started the cloning process, they used TALENs to disable one of two copies of the growth hormone receptor gene (GHR) in the fetal cells. Without the receptor, cells do not receive the ‘grow’ signal during development, resulting in stunted pigs.

[…]

Put simply, successful genetic “editing” ( euphemism for the old “engineering”) of pigs is just one step away from doing it on humans.

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darthstar  Sep 29, 2015 • 6:03:30am

re: #148 Dark_Falcon

Nobody in the Republican primary can go head-to-head with Trump without have double-digit poll numbers first. Without those, Trump will simply belittle them as a “low-energy pipsqueak” and so far that tactic has worked well. Rubio needs somewhere around 3% more in the polls plus good timing.

We had a saying about that when I was a kid: “Sticks and stones, motherfucker.” Or something like that.

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Dark_Falcon  Sep 29, 2015 • 6:04:02am

re: #146 darthstar

Back to Rouhani comparing the Republicans to Saddam Hussein again…that’s really fucking funny and something I don’t think any of them saw coming.

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Trump will just reply: “Says the guy who I’m going to bomb into oblivion. Dead Man Walking!”

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HappyWarrior  Sep 29, 2015 • 6:04:07am

re: #148 Dark_Falcon

Nobody in the Republican primary can go head-to-head with Trump without have double-digit poll numbers first. Without those, Trump will simply belittle them as a “low-energy pipsqueak” and so far that tactic has worked well. Rubio needs somewhere around 3% more in the polls plus good timing.

Rubio frankly has done nothing to differentiate himself from the field. And frankly by nominating Rubio who has a similar (read similar not identical as I’m fully aware Rubio was FL House Speaker) amount of experience to Obama did, you’d be admitting the attacks on Obama’s experience had no merits.

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lawhawk  Sep 29, 2015 • 6:04:10am

re: #145 Dark_Falcon

In a word, it’s BS.

The code is voluntary, which means that any of the members of the board can ignore it at the drop of a hat. More to the point, the place is a patronage mill for Gov Christie and Cuomo, and both have blocked true substantive reform that the legislatures of both NY and NJ have sought. They want to preserve their fiefdoms for their political allies, and that means maintaining as much of the status quo as possible. Putting a veneer of “good government” on things, as with this code of ethics doesn’t stop both governors from using the PANYNJ to do their bidding and using the agency to further their agendas - namely building roads and vanity projects instead of raising taxes (like when Christie cancelled the ARC and shifted PA funds to rebuild the Pulaski Skyway and Wittpenn Bridges for $2 billion - which likely violated SEC rules on bonding - rather than raise the gas tax to pay for the project out of NJ funds). That’s $2 billion that could go to build a new PABT or AirTrain to LGA.

On and on it goes, and both governors have no interest in doing mass transit, and are focused on car traffic to the exclusion of everything else.

And that leaves NYC metro in the lurch with an infrastructure that isn’t able to handle the strain.

(and as an aside, NY Gov. Cuomo heads the MTA, not the Mayor, so building new subways or rail lines has to go through him as well).

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darthstar  Sep 29, 2015 • 6:04:30am

re: #148 Dark_Falcon

In other words, they’re all cowards who can only punch down. Talk about entitlement. Once I’m ahead of Trump in the polls, I’ll show him!

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Dark_Falcon  Sep 29, 2015 • 6:04:52am

re: #150 darthstar

We had a saying about that when I was a kid: “Sticks and stones, motherfucker.” Or something like that.

Primary elections work about differently than childhood spats, Darth.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 29, 2015 • 6:05:37am

re: #155 Dark_Falcon

Primary elections work about differently than childhood spats, Darth.

You’re right the latter typically are more dignified.

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Dark_Falcon  Sep 29, 2015 • 6:06:05am

re: #154 darthstar

In other words, they’re all cowards who can only punch down. Talk about entitlement. Once I’m ahead of Trump in the polls, I’ll show him!

Not ahead, just close enough that they can’t be dismissed easily.

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freetoken  Sep 29, 2015 • 6:06:45am

The naysayers even point out their own hypocritical elements:

Some researchers think that dogs or cats will be next up for genetic manipulation. Scientists and ethicists agree that gene-edited pets are not very different from conventional breeding — the result is just achieved more efficiently. But that doesn’t make the practice a good idea, says Jeantine Lunshof, a bioethicist at Harvard Medical School in Boston, Massachusetts, who describes both as “stretching physiological limits for the sole purpose of satisfying idiosyncratic aesthetic preferences of humans”.

Dana Carroll, a gene-editing pioneer at the University of Utah in Salt Lake City, adds: “I can certainly imagine resistance to manipulating dogs, even though all of the current breeds are the result of selective breeding by humans.”

Daniel Voytas, a geneticist at the University of Minnesota in Saint Paul, hopes that any buzz over gene-edited pets does not hamper progress in developing gene-editing techniques for alleviating human disease and creating new crop varieties. “I just hope we establish a regulatory framework — guidelines for the safe and ethical use of this technology — that allows the potential to be realized,” he says. “I worry that pet mini pigs distract and add confusion to efforts to achieve this goal.”

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darthstar  Sep 29, 2015 • 6:07:07am

re: #151 Dark_Falcon

Trump will just reply: “Says the guy who I’m going to bomb into oblivion. Dead Man Walking!”

Donald Trump is the only Republican running who was smart enough to say he would NOT tear up the Iran Deal on Day 1. He wasn’t the guy Rouhani was laughing at in that comment.

But what will Marco Rubio say to being compared to Hussein? Something along the lines of “Saddam Hussein was a tyrant and that comparison is uncalled for.” Strong words coming from a guy who went Godwin on Obama.

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lawhawk  Sep 29, 2015 • 6:07:58am

Boom.

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Dark_Falcon  Sep 29, 2015 • 6:10:00am

re: #153 lawhawk

They focus on cars because they’re courting suburban voters who don’t like mass transit very much and because raising taxes to pay for mass transit is right out, at least for Christie.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 29, 2015 • 6:10:20am

re: #160 lawhawk

Boom.

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Indeed. I don’t think we could do 91% or even 70% but 45 or even 50% isn’t unrealistic.

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Sep 29, 2015 • 6:11:12am

re: #158 freetoken

“I worry that pet mini pigs distract and add confusion to efforts to achieve this goal.”

might get us to eat less bacon, or at least smaller portions…

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HappyWarrior  Sep 29, 2015 • 6:11:27am

re: #161 Dark_Falcon

They focus on cars because they’re courting suburban voters who don’t like mass transit very much and because raising taxes to pay for mass transit is right out, at least for Christie.

Lots of suburbites who depend on mass transit.

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freetoken  Sep 29, 2015 • 6:11:43am

re: #163 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

Bacon are people too.

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darthstar  Sep 29, 2015 • 6:11:45am

re: #157 Dark_Falcon

Not ahead, just close enough that they can’t be dismissed easily.

Anybody can be dismissed easily. That’s the glory in ridicule.

If Rubio’s worried he’ll be dismissed, then he’s already out the door. He has to figure out how to respond, and not react, to ridicule. And if he can’t dish it out, he’s screwed. Because the only way to bring Trump down is to mock him, and mock the people who support him.

You’ve been around here long enough to know how ridicule works.

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Sep 29, 2015 • 6:12:24am

re: #165 freetoken

Bacon are people too.

can we modify them to have corporate DNA?

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freetoken  Sep 29, 2015 • 6:13:40am

re: #167 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

Bacon are corporations too.

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Sep 29, 2015 • 6:14:30am

re: #168 freetoken

Bacon are corporations too.

one pork belly, one vote!

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darthstar  Sep 29, 2015 • 6:14:39am

No wonder he’s doing so well with the GOP base.

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lawhawk  Sep 29, 2015 • 6:15:52am

re: #161 Dark_Falcon

They focus on cars because they’re courting suburban voters who don’t like mass transit very much and because raising taxes to pay for mass transit is right out, at least for Christie.

They aren’t using mass transit themselves. And they think that building more roads will stop congestion (when it does the opposite as any number of studies have proven over the years). Mass transit is the only way to move that many people, and for the region to continue growing, subways and heavy rail are the only answer.

Meanwhile, the NYC subways are now seeing more and more days where 6 million rides occur.

6 million rides.

Think about that number for a moment. NYC has 8 million people living there. 6 million rides on the subway. The daily ridership is bigger than every other city in the nation.

And it’s a system straining to keep things together - it is barely able to maintain a state of good repair, because it’s got billions in backlogged work, let alone the billions more needed to do new projects.

The problem is compounded by the highest construction costs in the world, even as compared to Europe. Bring the costs down to European levels (where there are still unions at last check) and you can do more, or save more with the same amount of money. That’s where reform is critical, and no one wants to address that either - other than to demonize unions when the culprit is really the construction firms that gouge the city for the work.

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darthstar  Sep 29, 2015 • 6:16:04am

re: #169 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

one pork belly, one vote!

Mini pigs are such cute little Carnitas on the hoof. Slow braise them whole.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 29, 2015 • 6:16:06am

re: #170 darthstar

No wonder he’s doing so well with the GOP base.

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And this is why Carson in some ways is worse than Trump.

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Dark_Falcon  Sep 29, 2015 • 6:16:45am

re: #166 darthstar

It’s also that Rubio doesn’t want to peak too early. At this stage he wants to be most people’s 2nd choice, and then swoop in once the previous front runners have punched themselves out. It’s a strategy that’s got a good chance of working, too.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 29, 2015 • 6:18:51am

Mass transit connects the burbs to the cities. In the past I would have to go a lot further to get to the DC Metro. It also lessens traffic too so I frankly don’t buy that suburbites hate MT. More accurate to say is Christie’s donors do.

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darthstar  Sep 29, 2015 • 6:20:50am

re: #174 Dark_Falcon

It’s also that Rubio doesn’t want to peak too early. At this stage he wants to be most people’s 2nd choice, and then swoop in once the previous front runners have punched themselves out. It’s a strategy that’s got a good chance of working, too.

Peak? Trump’s at 25-29% If Rubio sees that as a peak he’s really screwed. But don’t worry…simple attrition will bump him up enough by New Hampshire.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 29, 2015 • 6:21:00am

But that’s the beast. We love our cars but then bitch about traffic. Let’s invest more in rails and buses. Plus we create jobs by doing that too.

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Dark_Falcon  Sep 29, 2015 • 6:21:42am

Behold the Trump Lion. He’s loud, he’s fathered offspring with multiple females, he’s aggressive, and he’s even got the hair.

Source.

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darthstar  Sep 29, 2015 • 6:21:47am

Okay…twenty minute nap time before I wake up for real and face the day.

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freetoken  Sep 29, 2015 • 6:22:25am

re: #174 Dark_Falcon

Rubio is playing to be President… in 2024.

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Dark_Falcon  Sep 29, 2015 • 6:23:49am

re: #171 lawhawk

Why are cities and counties so unwilling to hold construction firms to account? It drives me nuts and I don’t really understand it. Is it simple corruption, is it just not a ‘sexy’ issue, or is something else in play?

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Sep 29, 2015 • 6:27:37am

re: #181 Dark_Falcon

Why are cities and counties so unwilling to hold construction firms to account? It drives me nuts and I don’t really understand it. Is it simple corruption, is it just not a ‘sexy’ issue, or is something else in play?

Because the attention and lt least part of the blame blame would necessarily shift back on the politicians who awarded the contracts in the first place. Similar sort of conflict of interest we see in getting a DA to bring a conviction against a policeman after being used to working closely with the local PD to obtain convictions…

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freetoken  Sep 29, 2015 • 6:28:41am

Bob Barr, Former Libertarian Presidential Candidate, Backs Cruz

Cruz also rolls out endorsements from eight Iowans who previously backed Ron Paul for president and are endorsing Cruz over Ron’s son Rand Paul

Of course they do.

Loons, flocking, and all that.

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lawhawk  Sep 29, 2015 • 6:32:29am

re: #181 Dark_Falcon

Why are cities and counties so unwilling to hold construction firms to account? It drives me nuts and I don’t really understand it. Is it simple corruption, is it just not a ‘sexy’ issue, or is something else in play?

Multiple factors, including that the privatization of design and construction has meant that the agencies responsible for the work don’t have the in-house ability to design, manage, and build the projects themselves. That was supposed to mean savings to taxpayers, but the opposite has occurred.

Now, big multinational firms like Skansa, Judlau, and ACS among others are doing design build, and they get to control the various cost factors, so they use the US as a piggybank while the costs are more constrained in Europe.

Adopting European design/build cost model might save billions in construction costs - allowing more build for the buck, or saving billions on construction - or both.

European and Japanese cities are expanding subways and rail, with similar density and underground infrastructure as NYC, and yet they’re doing more with less. And I’m not even comparing with China, which is problematic in quality/subsidization/costs.

The post, from 2011, reported that the Toei Oedo Line in Japan cost $560 million per mile. The Berlin U55 cost $400 million per mile. The Paris Metro Line 14 cost $368 million per mile.

New York’s construction costs blew all of that away, the study found.

The Second Avenue Subway is coming in at $2.7 billion per mile. The 7 train extension to the far West Side? $2.1 billion per mile.

Germany, UK, and France all have unions, and all are building in dense urban cores. All are building for a fraction of the cost in NYC. If NYC could get the cost per mile down to the Japanese level, you’d get 4x the work done. We could get the entire 2d Ave done.

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freetoken  Sep 29, 2015 • 6:32:49am

Paul Waldman hits the mark:

The truth behind Jeb Bush’s ‘free stuff’ remark

[…]

Let’s be clear about one thing: Bush shouldn’t be criticized for a “gaffe,” that common and tiresome genre of campaign microcontroversy in which a candidate says something in a way he wishes he hadn’t and his opponents and the media act as though he has revealed the true and hidden darkness within his soul.

This isn’t really about Jeb Bush so much as it is about the persistence of this idea, one that comes out again and again when candidates are speaking to conservatives and the topic of certain kinds of Americans comes up.

It’s not even about the size of government or the nature of the welfare state as much as it is about who benefits from government and how our ideas about those benefits are shaped by the people we think are getting them.

Whatever Bush actually believes, there’s no doubt that when many Republican voters hear about “free stuff,” they have a particular picture in their minds: poor people, probably black or brown, getting some benefit they didn’t deserve, paid for by “us,” the hard-working and upstanding Americans.

[…]

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Dark_Falcon  Sep 29, 2015 • 6:32:55am

And now a Special Morning Update: George Zimmerman hits bottom of shit pit, keeps digging.

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Dark_Falcon  Sep 29, 2015 • 6:38:32am

I hate what the Goddamn gangs do to Chicago. Last night they killed a pregnant woman and her mother and wounded her 11 month-old baby in another shitty drive-by.

Sorry, but every now and again one of these horrid gang crimes just ticks me off so bad I have to yell about it.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 29, 2015 • 6:39:10am

re: #183 freetoken

Bob Barr, Former Libertarian Presidential Candidate, Backs Cruz

Of course they do.

Loons, flocking, and all that.

So the guy who blasted Obama and to be fair McCain’s FP is endorsing the guy who threatened the Iranian leader and is a huge hawk.

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lawhawk  Sep 29, 2015 • 6:41:57am
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Belafon  Sep 29, 2015 • 6:42:30am

I heard a guy in the hallway at my job stating that Trump was a Democratic shill. I told him that even if that were true, the fact that Republicans are listening to him is the important story. His answer: “I agree with what he says, and a lot of Republicans do, but they won’t actually vote for him.” Not only does this guy not see the contradiction in his statement about Trump being a plant, he’s a bit delusional in how he thinks other Republicans would vote.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Sep 29, 2015 • 6:42:50am

re: #189 lawhawk

Maybe PP should field a presidential candidate.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 29, 2015 • 6:43:07am

re: #190 Belafon

I heard a guy in the hallway at my job stating that Trump was a Democratic shill. I told him that even if that were true, the fact that Republicans are listening to him is the important story. His answer: “I agree with what he says, and a lot of Republicans do, but they won’t actually vote for him.” Not only does this guy not see the contradiction in his statement about Trump being a plant, he’s a bit delusional in how he thinks other Republicans would vote.

They want it both ways.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 29, 2015 • 6:43:32am

re: #189 lawhawk

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darthstar  Sep 29, 2015 • 6:43:57am

re: #179 darthstar

Okay…twenty minute nap time before I wake up for real and face the day.

Ah…I feel much better now. Funny how going back to sleep for a little bit can make a difference.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Sep 29, 2015 • 6:43:58am

re: #190 Belafon

I heard a guy in the hallway at my job stating that Trump was a Democratic shill. I told him that even if that were true, the fact that Republicans are listening to him is the important story. His answer: “I agree with what he says, and a lot of Republicans do, but they won’t actually vote for him.” Not only does this guy not see the contradiction in his statement about Trump being a plant, he’s a bit delusional in how he thinks other Republicans would vote.

He ought to write for RedState. He sounds like a natural.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 29, 2015 • 6:47:39am

heh

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Sep 29, 2015 • 6:52:33am

re: #196 Backwoods_Sleuth

What’s Dothraki for CHAIYNA?

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Sep 29, 2015 • 6:55:06am

re: #194 darthstar

Ah…I feel much better now. Funny how going back to sleep for a little bit can make a difference.

twenty minutes at the right time is worth endless cups of coffee…

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darthstar  Sep 29, 2015 • 6:55:15am
DREEK HOLF GWAGGH!
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darthstar  Sep 29, 2015 • 6:56:17am

re: #199 darthstar

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Damn…and I could have done this in Dothraki?

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darthstar  Sep 29, 2015 • 7:02:49am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 29, 2015 • 7:03:45am
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lawhawk  Sep 29, 2015 • 7:05:29am

*cough* Bullshit *cough*

And yet, not a single state that has investigated PP has found the slightest shred of evidence finding PP engaging in any wrongdoing. Not a single one. Not a single violation. Nothing.

But PP will continue to be smeared by the anti-choice extremists.

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Dark_Falcon  Sep 29, 2015 • 7:05:48am

re: #191 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

Maybe PP should field a presidential candidate.

The president of Planned PArenthood is testifying today before Jason Chaffetz and the House Oversight and Government Reform Committee today. So check C-SPAN for that if you’re interested. Normally Chaffetz is diligent in investigations, but this hearing is most probably going to just be a flinging of talking points.

BBL

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HappyWarrior  Sep 29, 2015 • 7:07:57am

re: #203 lawhawk

*cough* Bullshit *cough*

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And yet, not a single state that has investigated PP has found the slightest shred of evidence finding PP engaging in any wrongdoing. Not a single one. Not a single violation. Nothing.

But PP will continue to be smeared by the anti-choice extremists.

Little Pravada says what.

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lawhawk  Sep 29, 2015 • 7:10:05am

re: #205 HappyWarrior

Little Pravada says what.

And millions of know nothings who rely on Faux News for their talking points will regurgitate this without firing a single neuron in the process.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 29, 2015 • 7:10:29am

re: #206 lawhawk

And millions of know nothings who rely on Faux News for their talking points will regurgitate this without firing a single neuron in the process.

Of course.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 29, 2015 • 7:17:28am

O_o

“Adolf Hitler, he was one of the smartest men there ever was,” a Klan member explains. “The so-called concentration camps like Auschwitz and so forth, they say they were death camps. But these death camps, they gave the so-called people that were being killed cigarettes, there was coffee, there was a movie theater, a library, even a swimming pool in Auschwitz.”

“And if you’re going to sit there and kill all these people then how come all these things would be in there?” he continues. “It’s more like a summer camp.”

“Sorry,” the stunned interviewer interrupts. “You’re telling me Auschwitz was like a summer camp?”

“Well, they had a swimming pool, a movie theater and everything else,” the Klan member insists. “You know, you don’t see in prisons today any kind of swimming pool being in the middle of the prison hall.”

“So what do you think the Jews were doing in Auschwitz?” the interviewer asks.

“Swimming,” the white supremacist replies. “And working. Because they didn’t want to do any work, and what Hitler was trying to do was he was trying to teach them to work, trying to rehabilitate them, if you will.”

“Where did you hear this?” the dumbfounded interviewer wonders.

“It’s all history,” the Klan member says.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 29, 2015 • 7:19:04am

re: #208 Backwoods_Sleuth

O_o

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I could punch that fucker in the face.

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Sep 29, 2015 • 7:20:34am

re: #209 HappyWarrior

I could punch that fucker in the face.

It would only reinforce his opinions…

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HappyWarrior  Sep 29, 2015 • 7:21:16am

re: #210 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

It would only reinforce his opinions…

No doubt but Holocaust denial and revisionism is one of those things that make me physically angry.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 29, 2015 • 7:25:30am

The past elusive in its grip
Walk past the graves of those gone before
Knowing I will be there too one day
Cold autumn wind hits my side
Prepare for the long winter
Another year will pass us
More will depart and more will arrive
As the future becomes the past.

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Sep 29, 2015 • 7:26:23am

re: #211 HappyWarrior

No doubt but Holocaust denial and revisionism is one of those things that make me physically angry.

People who scoff at any consensus reached by scientific “elites” seem to have an even lower opinion of historians…

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HappyWarrior  Sep 29, 2015 • 7:28:10am

re: #213 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

People who scoff at any consensus reached by scientific “elites” seem to have an even lower opinion of historians…

I know. Not just historians but actual eyewitnesses too. The Nazis themselves never tried to deny what they did in the war’s immediate aftermath but rather tried to skirt responsibility.

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Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Sep 29, 2015 • 7:28:13am

re: #208 Backwoods_Sleuth

But these death camps, they gave the so-called people that were being killed cigarettes, there was coffee, there was a movie theater, a library, even a swimming pool in Auschwitz.”

There weren’t even people there.

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Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Sep 29, 2015 • 7:29:40am

re: #208 Backwoods_Sleuth

O_o

THEY GAVE THEM CIGARETTES!!!!!!!!

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HappyWarrior  Sep 29, 2015 • 7:30:06am

They gave them some rad tattoos. //

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 29, 2015 • 7:31:20am

jrb creators!!!! ////////////

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Sep 29, 2015 • 7:36:10am

re: #208 Backwoods_Sleuth

How does he explain the many photos of the corpses of camp inmates? The admissions of guilt by former Nazi officers?

He’s either seriously delusional, or he’s playing a really sick joke.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 29, 2015 • 7:36:55am

re: #219 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

How does he explain the many photos of the corpses of camp inmates? The admissions of guilt by former Nazi officers?

He’s either seriously delusional, or he’s playing a really sick joke.

Hate.

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ObserverArt  Sep 29, 2015 • 7:37:41am

re: #202 Backwoods_Sleuth

NBC News ✔ @NBCNews

VW to refit millions of diesel vehicles outfitted with cheating software nbcnews.to

9:58 AM - 29 Sep 2015

Wow, 70,000 people in Wolfsburg work at VW. I would imagine that is a city feeling more than a little down these days. And all those people believed in what the company was doing…now they find the truth.

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Sep 29, 2015 • 7:41:48am

re: #221 ObserverArt

Wow, 70,000 people in Wolfsburg work at VW. I would imagine that is a city feeling more than a little down these days. And all those people believed in what the company was doing…now they find the truth.

Let us not forget that the German state of Lower Saxony owns a 12% share of VW. So now even more people can feel shitty…

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It's on his hat!  Sep 29, 2015 • 7:42:45am

re: #202 Backwoods_Sleuth

Looks like I’ll be getting a call from the dealer soon…

Also, this

instagram.com

is not the right way to deal with those of us affected by this problem.

Portland, man.

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Shiplord Kirel  Sep 29, 2015 • 7:45:17am

Rolling coal, baby! Just the thing for moving you ammo stash!

I present to you, the fully street legal Ford f650.

This is out of control. The President, Congress, and the CDC should launch an immediate, super-priority national effort to determine the cause of the precipitous decline in penis size and develop a cure. Our under-endowed brethren are suffering! The environment is suffering! Public safety and children’s college funds are suffering! Do something now!
(And whatever you do, don’t let Big Pharma monopolize the cure!)

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Belafon  Sep 29, 2015 • 7:45:53am

#221 ObserverArt: I suspect most of them just do their jobs. This just means more work.

I’m an optimist, but 90% of the world works because they have to eat, and would do just about any job that paid them enough to take care of their families. And by work, I mean anything that contributes to the advancement of the status of the human race.

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Targetpractice  Sep 29, 2015 • 7:46:53am

re: #203 lawhawk

Pay close attention to the headline:

Rep blasts Planned Parenthood taxpayer $$, as study says videos not doctored

Why? Because not even halfway through the article, you get this:

According to their review, the videos were not manipulated. The report said any missing footage was of “non-pertinent” events like meals and bathroom breaks.

Yeah, I don’t know about ya’ll, but when I say “not doctored,” that means the video is totally intact, warts and all. If you’re hacking “non-pertinent” bits out of the video, then you’re doctoring it.

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ObserverArt  Sep 29, 2015 • 7:48:33am

re: #223 It’s on his hat!

Looks like I’ll be getting a call from the dealer soon…

Also, this

instagram.com

is not the right way to deal with those of us affected by this problem.

Portland, man.

I was watching the Japanese Grand Prix on Sunday with a good friend and we both have VWs. We were wondering when someone would say something to us about our cars. Neither one of us has a diesel, but that won’t matter.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 29, 2015 • 7:51:05am

re: #224 Shiplord Kirel

Rolling coal, baby! Just the thing for moving you ammo stash!

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I present to you, the fully street legal Ford f650.

This is out of control. The President, Congress, and the CDC should launch an immediate, super-priority national effort to determine the cause of the precipitous decline in penis size and develop a cure. Our under-endowed brethren are suffering! The environment is suffering! Public safety and children’s collece funds are suffering! Do something now!
(And whatever you do, don’t let Big Pharma monopolize the cure!)

Why that looks practical.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 29, 2015 • 7:52:29am

So, this is happening right now (Cecile Richards is the only one testifying):

some highlights so far:

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lawhawk  Sep 29, 2015 • 7:52:49am

re: #228 HappyWarrior

It’s the Canyonero!
Canyonero

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HappyWarrior  Sep 29, 2015 • 7:53:30am

re: #229 Backwoods_Sleuth

So, this is happening right now (Cecile Richards is the only one testifying):

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Chaffetz and Jordan are typical GOP sexist fucks.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 29, 2015 • 7:53:57am

re: #230 lawhawk

It’s the Canyonero!
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CANYONERO!

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makeitstop  Sep 29, 2015 • 7:54:08am

A friend on Facebook has found a live one. Check these out (all through donotlink):

Obama Performs Rite of Super Blood Moon To Hand Satan Control of the World
Secret Blood Moon Ceremony Hosted By The Pope
NASA: Obama Using Mars Water To Give Himself Satanic Power

I’m leaning towards it being a satire site, but who the hell can tell any more?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 29, 2015 • 7:54:37am
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HappyWarrior  Sep 29, 2015 • 7:54:58am

re: #233 makeitstop

A friend on Facebook has found a live one. Check these out (all through donotlink):

Obama Performs Rite of Super Blood Moon To Hand Satan Control of the World
Secret Blood Moon Ceremony Hosted By The Pope
NASA: Obama Using Mars Water To Give Himself Satanic Power

I’m leaning towards it being a satire site, but who the hell can tell any more?

WND has posted similiar stuff so I would bet reall.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 29, 2015 • 7:55:32am
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HappyWarrior  Sep 29, 2015 • 7:56:11am

re: #236 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Absolutely.

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It's on his hat!  Sep 29, 2015 • 7:56:24am

re: #233 makeitstop

A friend on Facebook has found a live one. Check these out (all through donotlink):

Obama Performs Rite of Super Blood Moon To Hand Satan Control of the World
Secret Blood Moon Ceremony Hosted By The Pope
NASA: Obama Using Mars Water To Give Himself Satanic Power

I’m leaning towards it being a satire site, but who the hell can tell any more?

Gotta be satire. Their “About” page is full of Lorem Ipsum boilerplate and fake photos of the “authors,” one of which looks like Jordan Peele of Key & Peele in a costume.

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jaunte  Sep 29, 2015 • 7:56:47am

re: #236 Backwoods_Sleuth

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jaunte  Sep 29, 2015 • 7:59:40am
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allegro  Sep 29, 2015 • 8:00:14am

Wow! They let a woman testify? That’s like unprecedented!

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Targetpractice  Sep 29, 2015 • 8:01:20am

And the next Republican questioner wants to push the “All you do is abortion!” bit, even if she’s not coming out and saying it.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 29, 2015 • 8:01:37am

re: #240 jaunte

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Just like O’Douche and ACORN. Even if PP comes out of this with government funding, the lie will have succeeded.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 29, 2015 • 8:01:57am

re: #242 Targetpractice

And the next Republican questioner wants to push the “All you do is abortion!” bit, even if she’s not coming out and saying it.

Ah the Kyl bit.

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Targetpractice  Sep 29, 2015 • 8:02:31am

Ah, the “alternatives” BS, i.e. “Why can’t we just take this money from you and give it those clinics we approve of?”

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 29, 2015 • 8:04:05am

duh:

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 29, 2015 • 8:04:36am
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HappyWarrior  Sep 29, 2015 • 8:04:44am

re: #246 Backwoods_Sleuth

duh:

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Not that smart is she.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 29, 2015 • 8:05:57am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 29, 2015 • 8:06:35am

re: #248 HappyWarrior

Not that smart is she.

no, she isn’t:

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jaunte  Sep 29, 2015 • 8:07:01am
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Targetpractice  Sep 29, 2015 • 8:08:08am

This hearing has no real point besides to allow the GOP to earn some brownie points with the base. It sure as fuck isn’t to get into whether PP has done anything illegal, because they’re talking about everything BUT the supposed “illegal” activities.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 29, 2015 • 8:08:34am

re: #251 Backwoods_Sleuth

no, she isn’t:

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Sweet Jesus.

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jaunte  Sep 29, 2015 • 8:09:13am
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HappyWarrior  Sep 29, 2015 • 8:09:24am

re: #253 Targetpractice

This hearing has no real point besides to allow the GOP to earn some brownie points with the base. It sure as fuck isn’t to get into whether PP has done anything illegal, because they’re talking about everything BUT the supposed “illegal” activities.

I think if you press them, they’ll even admit as much but the thing is they just don’t care. They don’t care if women in rural areas especially lose one of the best resources for health they have.

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Targetpractice  Sep 29, 2015 • 8:11:09am

And now they’re trying the “If you did nothing wrong, why did you apologize?” gambit.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 29, 2015 • 8:11:10am
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Romantic Heretic  Sep 29, 2015 • 8:11:19am

re: #181 Dark_Falcon

Why are cities and counties so unwilling to hold construction firms to account? It drives me nuts and I don’t really understand it. Is it simple corruption, is it just not a ‘sexy’ issue, or is something else in play?

Corporations are not held to account for their actions for the same reason pedophiles priests are not held accountable for theirs, or ‘family values’ so-called Christians caught cheating on their spouses are not held accountable for theirs. For it isn’t just individuals that will be called into account, it is the entire faith.

Faith, whether religious or economic, is supposed to produce nothing but good in the minds of the believers. The faithful can therefore be nothing but good. If bad things are done by the faithful it cannot be the fault of the faith or the faithful. So the bad things and people are ignored and allowed to disappear into the darkness of the past.

The faith cannot fail. It can only be failed.

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Doofus  Sep 29, 2015 • 8:11:36am

re: #202 Backwoods_Sleuth

Wrong answer. The VW cars were sold fraudulently. They will need to do better than that. I still say that if it was as easy as changing a few lines of code, it would never have come to this. My guess is that the emissions system as designed cannot survive the mandated 5 year/80,000 mile warranty. I look forward to what will happen to the resale value of my car.

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freetoken  Sep 29, 2015 • 8:11:38am

re: #253 Targetpractice

It’s the culture war, round 945,678 and counting.

Anti-abortionists believe humans are magical beings, that upon fertilization the gamete combination acquires some immortal magical essence that they call a “person”.

It’s just more religious lunacy (and is more similar to reincarnation than the fundamentalists will ever be willing to admit.)

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Jenner7  Sep 29, 2015 • 8:12:06am

Jim Jordan is an asshole.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 29, 2015 • 8:13:10am
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HappyWarrior  Sep 29, 2015 • 8:13:10am

re: #262 Jenner7

Jim Jordan is an asshole.

Is it any wonder that he’s the TP choice for speaker?

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jaunte  Sep 29, 2015 • 8:13:18am
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Targetpractice  Sep 29, 2015 • 8:14:16am

re: #264 HappyWarrior

Is it any wonder that he’s the TP choice for speaker?

Gee, can you tell he’s desperate to shore up support for his bid?

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allegro  Sep 29, 2015 • 8:14:29am

re: #260 Doofus

Wrong answer. The VW cars were sold fraudulently. They will need to do better than that. I still say that if it was as easy as changing a few lines of code, it would never have come to this. My guess is that the emissions system as designed cannot survive the mandated 5 year/80,000 mile warranty. I look forward to what will happen to the resale value of my car.

Won’t the retrofit affect the car’s performance as well?

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Jenner7  Sep 29, 2015 • 8:14:52am

Asked and answered. Now it’s just badgering.

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jaunte  Sep 29, 2015 • 8:15:12am
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HappyWarrior  Sep 29, 2015 • 8:15:41am

re: #265 jaunte

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She can’t win with these goons.

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freetoken  Sep 29, 2015 • 8:15:55am

Having written that, I will restate my position once again that those of us who don’t hold to the older religious superstitions still need to come up with what I will call a Theory of Personhood that is workable.

Here is where I part ways with those who say that abortions ought to be allowed even up to the very end of a full term pregnancy (whIch I think is a position that is held by a small minority of Americans.) Eventually an embryo does develop into a living organism to which I believe we ought to grant legal protection, though I am unclear at what stage of a pregnancy that ought to be.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 29, 2015 • 8:16:02am

re: #266 Targetpractice

Gee, can you tell he’s desperate to shore up support for his bid?

Seems that way to me.

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Romantic Heretic  Sep 29, 2015 • 8:16:34am

re: #199 darthstar

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Every time I see anything Star TrekTM these days I can’t help but think of this project.

Prelude to Axanar - Full Film (1080p)

I can’t wait to see the final product.

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jaunte  Sep 29, 2015 • 8:16:40am

re: #270 HappyWarrior

As long as there’s no political cost for these ridiculous show hearings, we’ll keep seeing them.

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Targetpractice  Sep 29, 2015 • 8:16:53am

re: #268 Jenner7

Asked and answered. Now it’s just badgering.

Of course it was. Because the wingnuts will take this and run with it, claiming that she “refused to answer a simple question.”

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jaunte  Sep 29, 2015 • 8:17:06am
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jaunte  Sep 29, 2015 • 8:17:24am
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lawhawk  Sep 29, 2015 • 8:17:33am

re: #260 Doofus

Wrong answer. The VW cars were sold fraudulently. They will need to do better than that. I still say that if it was as easy as changing a few lines of code, it would never have come to this. My guess is that the emissions system as designed cannot survive the mandated 5 year/80,000 mile warranty. I look forward to what will happen to the resale value of my car.

The problem is that the engine/emissions system as designed can’t work and meet emissions control requirements. It wouldn’t pass US emissions requirements as is, so they have to completely rework the emissions systems with a urea system, which adds complexity and weight. That, in turns, reduces fuel economy and carrying capacity (owners would lose some trunk space as well). It’s got nothing to do with the warranty.

The computer code kicks the computer into a special mode to meet emissions tests requirements, but then allows the emissions to spew forth under regular conditions. There’s no computer fix to that unless they depower all the cars so that they’re stuck running in the test mode - and that would piss off all the VW owners.

Either way, they’ve pissed off all the owners, and the fix will probably piss them off least. They’ll at least be able to retain most of the power and most of the fuel economy, but lose some trunk space.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 29, 2015 • 8:17:35am

re: #274 jaunte

As long as there’s no political cost for these ridiculous show hearings, we’ll keep seeing them.

Precisely which is why the Dem base needs to vote in all elections the same rate they do in presidential ones.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 29, 2015 • 8:18:00am

What other Dems other than Maoney and Cummings are there?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 29, 2015 • 8:18:01am
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wrenchwench  Sep 29, 2015 • 8:20:19am
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ObserverArt  Sep 29, 2015 • 8:20:27am

re: #253 Targetpractice

This hearing has no real point besides to allow the GOP to earn some brownie points with the base. It sure as fuck isn’t to get into whether PP has done anything illegal, because they’re talking about everything BUT the supposed “illegal” activities.

Isn’t that what all the Republican-driven hearing are about?

PP, Benghazi, IRS…

And yet, all their supporters cry for these investigations when nothing ever comes from them. So, it sure can’t be about actual results, it has got to be a demonstration.

Hell, everything they’ve done in congress the last 7 years has been a Demonstration, none of it actual governing.

If you want some actual congressional work vote Democrat.

If you want a show vote Republican.

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lawhawk  Sep 29, 2015 • 8:20:45am

re: #271 freetoken

I’m going to stick with the Penn v. Casey trimester approach, where viability is a key determining factor. If the fetus can survive outside the body, then abortions at or after that time should not be allowed.

With medical advances, the period in which abortions would be allowed will slowly wind back towards conception, but not totally. 1st trimester abortions should be legal. 3d trimester is/should be not allowed due to viability outside the womb at that gestational age. 2d trimester will depend on the science, and it is pushing the boundary.

UPDATE:
To be clear, the above limitation in 3d trimester doesn’t include the medical necessity exception, which should apply for all trimesters. If the mother’s life is at stake, a medically necessary abortion should be permissible.

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Romantic Heretic  Sep 29, 2015 • 8:21:39am

re: #209 HappyWarrior

I could punch that fucker in the face.

I’ll hold him for you.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 29, 2015 • 8:21:58am
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ObserverArt  Sep 29, 2015 • 8:23:05am

re: #257 Targetpractice

And now they’re trying the “If you did nothing wrong, why did you apologize?” gambit.

That’s the same crap I was talking about regarding Hillary and the emails.

Republicans are just nasty humans these days. Not a damn thing worthwhile with any of them.

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freetoken  Sep 29, 2015 • 8:24:04am

re: #284 lawhawk

I feel comfortable with that position, though I can not fully articulate why.

“Viability” is, as you noted, a function of technology.

There was a time when newborns might not have been cared for and left to die, simply because circumstances could not allow for it. Other civilizations had different ideas of what “people” were and were not.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 29, 2015 • 8:24:18am
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jaunte  Sep 29, 2015 • 8:24:47am

Keep it up, losers.

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allegro  Sep 29, 2015 • 8:25:40am

re: #271 freetoken

Having written that, I will restate my position once again that those of us who don’t hold to the older religious superstitions still need to come up with what I will call a Theory of Personhood that is workable.

Here is where I part ways with those who say that abortions ought to be allowed even up to the very end of a full term pregnancy (whIch I think is a position that is held by a small minority of Americans.) Eventually an embryo does develop into a living organism to which I believe we ought to grant legal protection, though I am unclear at what stage of a pregnancy that ought to be.

That argument assumes that third trimester abortions are done on a whim making laws necessary to prevent them. What that does is put women’s lives at risk in cases of medical emergency by delaying life-saving pregnancy termination to get permission from a court. There are already laws protecting live born infants. That’s enough. All other decisions must be left to pregnant women and their physicians at all points during a pregnancy.

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Dr. Matt  Sep 29, 2015 • 8:27:18am

re: #290 Backwoods_Sleuth

Rep. Mica yammering about being an advocate for the “unborn.” But I thought this was about baby parts trafficking? I mean… Wtf. #PinkOut
— Imani Gandy (@AngryBlackLady) September 29, 2015

It’s all just a dog and pony show to continue their anti-choice/pro-birth radicalism.

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jaunte  Sep 29, 2015 • 8:27:44am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 29, 2015 • 8:27:46am
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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Sep 29, 2015 • 8:29:04am

re: #294 jaunte

House GOP seems to have forgotten: abortion is a constitutionally protected right, has been for a while now

and the rest of us must not forget that these rights were hard won and will need to be defended from assholes like the GOP…

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ObserverArt  Sep 29, 2015 • 8:29:06am

re: #262 Jenner7

Jim Jordan is an asshole.

Yooooooge!

(That’s coming from an Ohioan)

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lawhawk  Sep 29, 2015 • 8:29:07am

re: #289 freetoken

There’s the medical issue of viability. There’s the theological issue of existence. There’s the religious component. And an ethical/moral component.

What strikes me most is that the GOP/anti-choice extremists have put the rights of a fetus ahead of all else - the woman carrying the fetus, the baby once it’s born, or the mother. They’ve pushed an agenda that screws the safety net for these women and children when they’re at their most vulnerable, but insist that the fetus be accorded more rights than any other member of society.

Because no other member of society is treated to an absolute right to life the way a fetus is under the anti-choice worldview. For instance, anyone who is alive and born can and is subject to the death penalty (federal and some states). So, on that basis, the right to life types are engaging in cognitive dissonance if they think that they can be pro-life for a fetus and pro-death penalty.

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Targetpractice  Sep 29, 2015 • 8:29:33am

Someone who actually brought up that the source of these videos has neither the balls to appear under oath, nor will the majority ever call him to appear.

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Jenner7  Sep 29, 2015 • 8:30:03am

How many congressional investigations did we have on 9/11?

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Targetpractice  Sep 29, 2015 • 8:30:40am

re: #300 Jenner7

How many congressional investigations did we have on 9/11?

1, and only after the Bush administration drug its feet for a year under the insistence that there was no need for an investigation.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 29, 2015 • 8:30:41am
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jaunte  Sep 29, 2015 • 8:31:27am
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wrenchwench  Sep 29, 2015 • 8:33:38am

re: #271 freetoken

Eventually an embryo does develop into a living organism to which I believe we ought to grant legal protection, though I am unclear at what stage of a pregnancy that ought to be.
Read more at littlegreenfootballs.com

I think that point comes when it can live on its own, ie: at the end of the pregnancy, however that is accomplished.

I might be one of the small minority you spoke of, for the reasons outlined by allegro, and just for clarity about agency of the woman, pregnant or not.

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Targetpractice  Sep 29, 2015 • 8:34:18am

Fuck me, the entire GOP questioning line today is going to be to minimize the damage that defunding PP would do by saying “Well, we support these alternatives, so it’ll all be okay!”

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HappyWarrior  Sep 29, 2015 • 8:34:58am

re: #302 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Gerry was my county exec when I lived in Fairfax County and my Rep in college. So proud of him for saying this.

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jaunte  Sep 29, 2015 • 8:35:09am

re: #305 Targetpractice

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Jenner7  Sep 29, 2015 • 8:35:41am

re: #301 Targetpractice

The worst attack in our country and we had 1 investigation.

Four people die in Libya and we’ve had, what, four investigations?

How many are we going to have for PP?

This is a fucking travesty.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 29, 2015 • 8:35:49am

re: #303 jaunte

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ACORN, etc. These guys know how much their cause sucks so they have to lie about others so people wll consider voting for them.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 29, 2015 • 8:36:17am

re: #308 Jenner7

The worst attack in our country and we had 1 investigation.

Four people die in Libya and we’ve had, what, four investigations?

How many are we going to have for PP?

This is a fucking travesty.

It’s a show trial frankly.

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jaunte  Sep 29, 2015 • 8:36:30am

Blake Farenthold is a lying sack of Whataburgers.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 29, 2015 • 8:36:37am

good grief

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HappyWarrior  Sep 29, 2015 • 8:36:43am

And until people stpo voting Republican no matter what, this will continue to happen.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 29, 2015 • 8:37:00am

re: #312 Backwoods_Sleuth

good grief

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What a pathetic douchebag.

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Targetpractice  Sep 29, 2015 • 8:37:09am

re: #307 jaunte

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GOP-controlled legislatures do everything they can to shut down any clinics that include abortion services, and then whine because there’s so few of them.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 29, 2015 • 8:37:31am

Really if you’re a woman or even a guy with a brain and a heart, why even think about giving this party of dicks your support?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 29, 2015 • 8:37:41am

even moar stupids

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HappyWarrior  Sep 29, 2015 • 8:37:53am

re: #315 Targetpractice

GOP-controlled legislatures do everything they can to shut down any clinics that include abortion services, and then whine because there’s so few of them.

Just like hey do everything else.

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Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Sep 29, 2015 • 8:37:57am

re: #312 Backwoods_Sleuth

Rep. Duncan: “I’ve seen many male witnesses treated worse than you have. Surely you don’t expect us to treat you better bc you’re a woman.”
— Irin Carmon

Sounds like the congresscritters are in rare form today

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Jenner7  Sep 29, 2015 • 8:38:24am

YES!

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jaunte  Sep 29, 2015 • 8:39:21am
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ObserverArt  Sep 29, 2015 • 8:39:32am

re: #271 freetoken

Having written that, I will restate my position once again that those of us who don’t hold to the older religious superstitions still need to come up with what I will call a Theory of Personhood that is workable.

Here is where I part ways with those who say that abortions ought to be allowed even up to the very end of a full term pregnancy (whIch I think is a position that is held by a small minority of Americans.) Eventually an embryo does develop into a living organism to which I believe we ought to grant legal protection, though I am unclear at what stage of a pregnancy that ought to be.

Please take this as a discussion point not a criticism of you or your comment.

What business is it of yours or mine or others outside the family and the doctors to worry about the status of a fetus? There is always the chance it won’t survive until birth or the birth itself. Once a living viable baby is in the world, then I think it becomes a ‘public’ concern. It is then a citizen.

And no, I am not for abortions personally. But, it is not my concern what someone else does until we have an actual citizen with a birth certificate.

And sometimes a birth certificate doesn’t even answer all the questions about citizenship. Look at Obama and “anchor babies.”

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jaunte  Sep 29, 2015 • 8:39:35am
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HappyWarrior  Sep 29, 2015 • 8:39:46am

re: #320 Jenner7

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YES!

Precisely.

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wrenchwench  Sep 29, 2015 • 8:40:13am

re: #312 Backwoods_Sleuth

good grief

[Embedded content: Rep. Duncan: “I’ve seen many male witnesses treated worse than you have. Surely you don’t expect us to treat you better bc you’re a woman.”]

Or as an equal, for that matter, when it comes to medical decisions.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 29, 2015 • 8:40:28am
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HappyWarrior  Sep 29, 2015 • 8:40:34am

I am sorry that I have voted for any Republican before ever. I really am.

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Dr. Matt  Sep 29, 2015 • 8:40:57am

re: #320 Jenner7

show up at midterm elections and this nonsense goes away. end of story.

— Oliver Willis (@owillis) September 29, 2015

Unfortunately too many “principled liberals” must stay home during mid-terms because Obama didn’t buy them a pony.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 29, 2015 • 8:41:02am

re: #326 Backwoods_Sleuth

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This woman is great. She’ll be an asset in the Senate.

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jaunte  Sep 29, 2015 • 8:41:17am

re: #327 HappyWarrior

I am sorry that I have voted for any Republican before ever. I really am.

Right there with you.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 29, 2015 • 8:41:29am

re: #328 Dr. Matt

Unfortunately too many “principled liberals” must stay home during mid-terms because Obama didn’t buy them a pony.

They’re such selfish pricks and then cry about how the country isn’t left enough for them.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 29, 2015 • 8:41:30am

aaargggg

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 29, 2015 • 8:42:15am
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HappyWarrior  Sep 29, 2015 • 8:42:19am

re: #330 jaunte

Right there with you.

Highest I ever was Congress because I thought my Congressman was competent and a decent guy. Never for Senator, Governor, or President mind you but I regret voting for Frank Wolf and even Tom Rust for state delegate.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 29, 2015 • 8:43:02am

re: #332 Backwoods_Sleuth

aaargggg

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And some of those vets including Tammy Duckworth use PP you sexisst weasel.

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jaunte  Sep 29, 2015 • 8:43:53am
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freetoken  Sep 29, 2015 • 8:45:43am

re: #304 wrenchwench

I think that point comes when it can live on its own, ie: at the end of the pregnancy, however that is accomplished.

But in no sense can a newborn “live on its own”.

In a way, you’re already accepting of centuries old customs of the Christianized West - that a newborn ought to live. For example, you do not believe (I hope) that a newborn could be an offering on a pyre or alter. So you are already different than another culture far away (in time and space.)

And more to the point, it’s not just abortion where we have to face these questions of personhood. The Schiavo case was the most publicized, and politicized, case, but everyday decisions are made about whether to make life-and-death decisions. Then there is the whole can of worms around euthanasia.

There is a world of moral decisions we have to face, and if reject the moral system of another time, we still have to come up with one of our own.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 29, 2015 • 8:47:04am
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HappyWarrior  Sep 29, 2015 • 8:48:09am

re: #336 jaunte

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I figure the reason that is because at least half of the polled are women who know that PP is more than just the abortion factory of RW fantasy.

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sagehen  Sep 29, 2015 • 8:48:11am

re: #271 freetoken

Eventually an embryo does develop into a living organism to which I believe we ought to grant legal protection, though I am unclear at what stage of a pregnancy that ought to be.

That one’s easy.

At the end of an individual human life, there seems to be general agreement among doctors, lawyers, clergy and laypeople that brain activity or lack of is how we draw the line between “human being” and “something that looks like a human being but really isn’t.” (that’s why we can do heart transplants)

I think the same criteria should apply to the beginning of an individual human life.

An anacephalic will never qualify. Ever. A healthy fetus fits the criteria probably around 21-22 weeks… but if it’s a danger to the woman whose parts it’s occupying/using, she has a right to self-defense.

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KGxvi  Sep 29, 2015 • 8:48:16am

re: #312 Backwoods_Sleuth

Those poorly treated male witnesses probably didn’t agree with Duncan on the issue of the day.

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lawhawk  Sep 29, 2015 • 8:48:34am

re: #332 Backwoods_Sleuth

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wrenchwench  Sep 29, 2015 • 8:49:37am

re: #337 freetoken

But in no sense is a newborn “can live on its own”.

In a way, you’re already accepting of centuries old customs of the Christianize West - that a newborn ought to live. For example, you do not believe (I hope) that a newborn could be an offering on a pyre or alter. So you are already different than another culture far away (in time and space.)

And more to the point, it’s not just abortion where we have to face these questions of personhood. The Schiavo case was the most publicized, and politicized, case, but everyday decisions are made about whether to make life-and-death decisions. Then there is the whole can of worms around euthanasia.

There is a world of moral decisions we have to face, and if reject the moral system of another time, we still have to come up with one of our own.

I’ll spell out mine: 100% agency of the person carrying the pregnancy as long as there is a pregnancy.

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Belafon  Sep 29, 2015 • 8:50:09am

#271 freetoken:

I do think that at any point, if the mother’s life is in danger, her life takes precident over the child. Beyond that, though, I the definition should be solely defined by whether or not the embryo has developed to the point that it could survive outside the womb, in other words brain and organ functionality sufficient to breath and digest food. Not exactly sure where this would fit in, but the parent should be able to choose to abort for conditions like downs and spina bifida if they choose.

The old definition of the quickening as a marker worked pretty well.

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Targetpractice  Sep 29, 2015 • 8:50:23am

Wow, a Democrat voicing what we’ve all been thinking about the repeated BS questions about mamograms and the insistence that PP is getting a check from the government rather than reimbursements.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 29, 2015 • 8:50:28am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 29, 2015 • 8:50:57am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 29, 2015 • 8:51:54am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 29, 2015 • 8:52:58am
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jaunte  Sep 29, 2015 • 8:53:34am

re: #349 Backwoods_Sleuth

“stand for” = “control”

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HappyWarrior  Sep 29, 2015 • 8:54:52am

re: #349 Backwoods_Sleuth

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He’s not fooling anyone.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 29, 2015 • 8:54:54am

re: #350 jaunte

“stand for” = “control”

But he’s wearing a pink tie today!!111!!!

/////////////

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 29, 2015 • 8:55:01am
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Romantic Heretic  Sep 29, 2015 • 8:55:21am

re: #332 Backwoods_Sleuth

aaargggg

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Have you considered looking at the behaviour of your own party in regards to vets healthcare, Gov. Huckabee, you brainless, heartless piece of shit?

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HappyWarrior  Sep 29, 2015 • 8:55:50am

re: #354 Romantic Heretic

Have you considered looking at the behaviour of your own party in regards to vets healthcare, Gov. Huckabee, you brainless, heartless piece of shit?

Huckabee be introspective? Hell naw.

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Sep 29, 2015 • 8:56:09am

Again, it seems that these people are not just against Planned Parenthood as an organization, they are against the very idea of planning parenthood.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 29, 2015 • 8:56:17am
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HappyWarrior  Sep 29, 2015 • 8:57:19am

re: #356 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

Again, it seems that these people are not just against Planned Parenthood as an organization, they are against the very idea of planning parenthood.

I realized that when I saw that many of them not only find fault with Roe ut also Einsenstadt and Griswold.

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jaunte  Sep 29, 2015 • 8:58:08am

“Rep. Tim Walberg co-sponsored granting the pre-born equal protection under 14th Amendment.”

house.ontheissues.org

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Romantic Heretic  Sep 29, 2015 • 8:58:13am

And with that I’m off to play Borderlands 2.

Every psycho I blow away I will imagine to be a RWNJ of my choosing.

Have a great day, every one.

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Jenner7  Sep 29, 2015 • 8:59:05am

Mia Love trying to gotcha Cecile. Not gonna happen Mia. Mia, my health provider doesn’t have a mammogram machine thingy. They have these things called referrals, where you go to a hospital to get it done. PP is no different.

These people really have no clue what PP actually does.

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Jenner7  Sep 29, 2015 • 8:59:37am
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wrenchwench  Sep 29, 2015 • 8:59:38am

re: #357 Backwoods_Sleuth

[Embedded content: Imani Gandy @AngryBlackLady

Here comes Mia Love with another dumb question about mammogram machines. Jesus Christ.]

When I was Mia’s age, those were about the scariest things ever.

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Targetpractice  Sep 29, 2015 • 8:59:56am

Republicans keep insisting on getting answers from Richards, but then spend the majority of their time talking over her attempts to answer.

Shocker, I know.////

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 29, 2015 • 9:00:32am

because they all know the videos are bogus.

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Sep 29, 2015 • 9:00:35am

re: #358 HappyWarrior

I realized that when I saw that many of them not only find fault with Roe ut also Einsenstadt and Griswold.

and probably Loving, too, if you press them…

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Jenner7  Sep 29, 2015 • 9:00:45am

I can’t tell you enough how much I loathe Jason Chaffetz. He’s in Ted Cruz territory of asshattery.

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jaunte  Sep 29, 2015 • 9:01:17am
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lawhawk  Sep 29, 2015 • 9:02:05am

re: #361 Jenner7

Most gynecologists refer mammograms to outside radiology groups. The Mrs. sees her doc, who refers her to a radiology group that handles the test and does the reading of the scan.

That’s how most ob/gyn groups run unless they run their own equipment. This isn’t rocket science, except that the GOP actively ignores it or wants to create a false impression (which they’re doing).

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 29, 2015 • 9:02:07am
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jaunte  Sep 29, 2015 • 9:02:52am
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KGxvi  Sep 29, 2015 • 9:03:23am

re: #358 HappyWarrior

It goes deeper, many of them reject the idea that the constitution protects a right to privacy. Despite many of them claiming to be advocates for “smaller government” they want the government to have the power to investigate what you do in the privacy of your own bedroom (and if you do it somewhere other than your bedroom). Basically, a government small enough to fit in your bedroom - because just as fundamentalism is the fear that someone, somewhere is having fun; social conservativism is the fear that someone, somewhere might be having sex (and enjoying it).

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ObserverArt  Sep 29, 2015 • 9:03:38am

I know discussions of abortion can be like handling a live bomb.

Everyone is worried about when is a fetus a life and what can be done to protect that life.

As I said above, I am not in favor of abortions if it was ever a decision in my life. I have made sure it never was. Everyone should, but we don’t have ultimate control so tough decisions arise. Decisions those involved must make.

I am also not in favor of someone being able to take out a family or another person with a gun. Yet, we have guns without any controls.

When will this country show the same damn concern for life taken by guns as they are about “life’ taken through abortions?

Why did the GOP not hold a hearing regarding Sandy Hook and how the NRA could be questioned like they are questioning Planned Parenthood?

To me, those little kids and all their friends, family (extended) and teachers, etc. suffered a whole lot more than a fetus in a medical decision. Think of all the living people that were touched by that tragedy.

Yet…nothing.

Is there any comparisons to the hurt and damage caused by Sandy Hook that even compares to an abortion?

Okay, I am getting steamed now…sorry if I offend anyone, it is not my goal. I just wonder why we do what we do sometimes when it makes zero sense.

Time to log off and get settled into something I can control. Later,

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 29, 2015 • 9:03:40am

re: #369 lawhawk

Most gynecologists refer mammograms to outside radiology groups. The Mrs. sees her doc, who refers her to a radiology group that handles the test and does the reading of the scan.

That’s how most ob/gyn groups run unless they run their own equipment. This isn’t rocket science, except that the GOP actively ignores it or wants to create a false impression (which they’re doing).

And you can’t just walk into a place that has the machines.
A referral is required.

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KGxvi  Sep 29, 2015 • 9:07:23am

re: #366 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

I think I’m going to do a page on all the cases that establish rights many of us take for granted that the social conservative movement would want to see reversed. Though, I’m not sure there’s enough bandwidth on the entire internet to write up.

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jaunte  Sep 29, 2015 • 9:07:51am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 29, 2015 • 9:08:32am

re: #376 jaunte

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Sep 29, 2015 • 9:08:45am

re: #375 KGxvi

I think I’m going to do a page on all the cases that establish rights many of us take for granted that the social conservative movement would want to see reversed. Though, I’m not sure there’s enough bandwidth on the entire internet to write up.

and do not forget what they have already accomplished in rolling back labor rights and worker protections while keeping the USA the only industrialized nation in the world without maternity leave.

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ObserverArt  Sep 29, 2015 • 9:08:48am

re: #356 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

Again, it seems that these people are not just against Planned Parenthood as an organization, they are against the very idea of planning parenthood.

Just saw your comment as I was logging out.

You don’t know how right you are. (Of course…you do!) That is the religious element to the whole thing. Especially the Catholic church viewpoint. It is also why they have issue with birth control too.

It is simply living in the Dark Ages…which in a way is being revisited today.

Okay…going now, see you all later.

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Targetpractice  Sep 29, 2015 • 9:09:03am

re: #376 jaunte

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Fuck me, can’t have Daleiden drug in to answer questions unless all the videos are available, but they can bring in Richards to be chewed out on live TV.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 29, 2015 • 9:09:15am
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HappyWarrior  Sep 29, 2015 • 9:10:29am

re: #366 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

and probably Loving, too, if you press them…

I’m sure of that too.

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lawhawk  Sep 29, 2015 • 9:11:13am
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HappyWarrior  Sep 29, 2015 • 9:11:37am

Chaffertz is just another Darrell Issa, Trey Gowdy. A sexist clown with no business running anything.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 29, 2015 • 9:11:44am

All these different excuses for Daleiden not being there.
Why doesn’t Chaffetz mention the fact that Daleiden is invoking the fifth amendment?

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Stuff Happens  Sep 29, 2015 • 9:12:04am

Why didn’t they invite Carly to the hearings? She can tell them what was really on the videos.

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KGxvi  Sep 29, 2015 • 9:12:33am

re: #378 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

the list of cases regarding economic liberties is probably just as long as the social liberties (for lack of a better term). though on economic liberties it really comes down to Lochner v New York and Wickard v Filburn - those two cases basically shifted government from pre-industrial to industrial standards.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 29, 2015 • 9:12:47am

re: #375 KGxvi

I think I’m going to do a page on all the cases that establish rights many of us take for granted that the social conservative movement would want to see reversed. Though, I’m not sure there’s enough bandwidth on the entire internet to write up.

There’s a lot and you are absolutely right regarding conservatives not believing in a right to privacy under the law.

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jaunte  Sep 29, 2015 • 9:13:25am

re: #383 lawhawk

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Targetpractice  Sep 29, 2015 • 9:13:56am

“This is my time, don’t interrupt me!”

YOU FUCKING ASS!

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 29, 2015 • 9:14:45am
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jaunte  Sep 29, 2015 • 9:15:27am
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HappyWarrior  Sep 29, 2015 • 9:15:41am

re: #391 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Oh this is Mr. The Pope is a leftist. Such respect for people who don’t see things his way.

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KGxvi  Sep 29, 2015 • 9:18:05am

re: #388 HappyWarrior

I had debates with some conservatives while I was in law school (and more of a center-right libertarian vs the center-left libertarian I am today) about the nature of rights under the constitution. My basic point was (and still is), that the Ninth Amendment provides a means for courts to identify non-enumerated constitutional rights, similar to the common law tradition in the UK. They typically rejected it because reasons (usually taking the crazy view that “rights” should be determined at the ballot box).

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Sep 29, 2015 • 9:18:06am

re: #388 HappyWarrior

There’s a lot and you are absolutely right regarding conservatives not believing in a right to privacy under the law.

How can there be privacy under the law when Jesus can see you masturbating?

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Targetpractice  Sep 29, 2015 • 9:20:13am

How much longer is this farce scheduled to go on?

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Mattand  Sep 29, 2015 • 9:20:46am

re: #395 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

How can there be privacy under the law when Jesus can see you masturbating?

“Dude, I can totally see the top of your head poking out of the laundry hamper. You’re not fooling anyone.”

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KGxvi  Sep 29, 2015 • 9:20:46am

re: #396 Targetpractice

until the sun explodes and collapses into a black hole?

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HappyWarrior  Sep 29, 2015 • 9:21:06am

re: #395 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

How can there be privacy under the law when Jesus can see you masturbating?

Even if I lock my door and put my porn in a folder that says “Serious Stuff.”?

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freetoken  Sep 29, 2015 • 9:21:12am

re: #396 Targetpractice

How much longer is this farce scheduled to go on?

At least through Nov 2016.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 29, 2015 • 9:22:41am
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HappyWarrior  Sep 29, 2015 • 9:22:59am

re: #394 KGxvi

I had debates with some conservatives while I was in law school (and more of a center-right libertarian vs the center-left libertarian I am today) about the nature of rights under the constitution. My basic point was (and still is), that the Ninth Amendment provides a means for courts to identify non-enumerated constitutional rights, similar to the common law tradition in the UK. They typically rejected it because reasons (usually taking the crazy view that “rights” should be determined at the ballot box).

Right. They wrongly think that certain rights should be determined by voting. This is how they claim to be more “pro democracy” on SSM but the fact is if the right of a Christian to marry ever came up to a vote, they’d flip.

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Belafon  Sep 29, 2015 • 9:23:05am

I can’t wait to force the wealthy to give up all their money because Jesus said so.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 29, 2015 • 9:24:29am
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Mattand  Sep 29, 2015 • 9:24:32am

So, I’m gathering from the comments and Talking Points Memo that a bunch of Republicans are desperately trying to gotcha the head of PP with a statement that will FINALLY DESTROY THE PLANNED PARENTHOOD MENACE ONCE AND FOR ALL.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 29, 2015 • 9:25:19am

re: #404 Backwoods_Sleuth

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How convenient.

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Targetpractice  Sep 29, 2015 • 9:25:27am

This is basically a rerun of the ACORN “hearings.” Everything from “Our money could go to better things!” to “You’re getting rich on taxpayer dollars!”

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HappyWarrior  Sep 29, 2015 • 9:26:22am

re: #407 Targetpractice

This is basically a rerun of the ACORN “hearings.” Everything from “Our money could go to better things!” to “You’re getting rich on taxpayer dollars!”

As Yogi said, Deja Vu all over again.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 29, 2015 • 9:27:29am
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jaunte  Sep 29, 2015 • 9:27:39am
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HappyWarrior  Sep 29, 2015 • 9:28:16am

re: #410 jaunte

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Word.

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wrenchwench  Sep 29, 2015 • 9:28:35am

re: #405 Mattand

So, I’m gathering from the comments and Talking Points Memo that a bunch of Republicans are desperately trying to gotcha the head of PP with a statement that will FINALLY DESTROY THE PLANNED PARENTHOOD MENACE ONCE AND FOR ALL.

The alternatives in a few locations back in the day were called Feminist Women’s Health Centers. Google tells me they still exist. That name being read in congress woulf pop a few heads.

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jaunte  Sep 29, 2015 • 9:29:20am

Two of my daughters are veterans who see right through Huckabee’s self-promoting false budget choices.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 29, 2015 • 9:29:25am

jeebus, he’s an idiot.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 29, 2015 • 9:35:43am
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lawhawk  Sep 29, 2015 • 9:35:57am

re: #414 Backwoods_Sleuth

No. Malicious.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 29, 2015 • 9:38:19am

re: #416 lawhawk

Farenthold provided a list of what he called alternatives to PP clinics.
The list included pediatric clinics, dentists, etc.

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Sep 29, 2015 • 9:39:09am

re: #417 Backwoods_Sleuth

Farenthold provided a list of what he called alternatives to PP clinics.
The list included pediatric clinics, dentists, etc.

don’t forget to bring a chicken…

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lawhawk  Sep 29, 2015 • 9:39:57am

re: #417 Backwoods_Sleuth

Yeah, Louisiana’s Health Department tried doing the same when the court there requested a list of providers. That turned into a mess for Jindal as instead of 39 pages of providers, it was actually a handful - the original list included dentists and non-qualified specialists that wouldn’t be able to provide reproductive health care.

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lawhawk  Sep 29, 2015 • 9:40:46am

Smear merchants in the GOP:

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dholmes32  Sep 29, 2015 • 9:40:47am

re: #112 I Stand With Planned Parenthood

Reminds me of when I got a $1200 bill from Banner Health (yes, naming names here) after spending 18 hours in their heart hospital emergency room (not even admitted) just to find out it was a flareup of acid reflux. I paid that bill and almost immediately got a request for a donation. I was like…you jackasses, go AWAY. That’s why I paid the bill!

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Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Sep 29, 2015 • 9:41:45am

re: #416 lawhawk

No. Malicious.

What is a “Men’s Health Center”?

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KGxvi  Sep 29, 2015 • 9:42:04am

re: #419 lawhawk

WE HAVE HURR A 39 PAGE LIST OF ALTERNATIVE HEALTH CARE PROVIDERS

sorry, just because you have one name per page doesn’t mean the list is 39 pages long.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 29, 2015 • 9:44:19am

re: #422 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse

What is a “Men’s Health Center”?

Probably something that isn’t women-only.
These eejits still refuse to understand that men also use PP services.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 29, 2015 • 9:45:02am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 29, 2015 • 9:46:17am
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lawhawk  Sep 29, 2015 • 9:47:00am

Ouch.

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lawhawk  Sep 29, 2015 • 9:47:58am
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jaunte  Sep 29, 2015 • 9:49:04am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 29, 2015 • 9:49:58am

re: #429 jaunte

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HappyWarrior  Sep 29, 2015 • 9:51:19am

re: #430 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Wut?

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Jenner7  Sep 29, 2015 • 9:51:23am

Am I supposed to be excited Snowden is on twitter?

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Sep 29, 2015 • 9:51:30am

re: #430 Backwoods_Sleuth

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all abortion, all the time

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HappyWarrior  Sep 29, 2015 • 9:51:42am

If 3% of what they do is abortons then 3% of what thy do is abortions.

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Dr. Matt  Sep 29, 2015 • 9:52:23am

The GOP have lost the fight over the ACA, they lost the fight over the marriage equality, they lost the fight over the Iran deal, and they are going to continue to lose the fight over abortion rights and PPFA.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 29, 2015 • 9:52:31am
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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Sep 29, 2015 • 9:52:37am

re: #434 HappyWarrior

If 3% of what they do is abortons then 3% of what thy do is abortions.

97% is getting women ready for abortions!

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jaunte  Sep 29, 2015 • 9:52:44am

re: #434 HappyWarrior

“It’s misleading if it doesn’t serve my bullshit story and get me re-elected.”

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KGxvi  Sep 29, 2015 • 9:53:47am

re: #428 lawhawk

I’m still amazed that CMP’s lawyers looked at all the information available to them and decided the best approach was basically admitting alter ego liability in order to dubiously assert the Fifth Amendment right against self-incrimination. As a lawyer, if that’s the conclusion I come to, I’m looking to sub out.

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lawhawk  Sep 29, 2015 • 9:55:24am

If only Congress spent as much energy dissecting the F-35 budget as they are doing with the Planned Parenthood budget. We’d just have to ignore that PP is a nonprofit, their tax filings are a matter of record, and the Hyde Amendment limits what funding can go towards. As a medical provider, they get reimbursed for health services from Medicare and Medicaid - the same as other providers who accept those programs.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 29, 2015 • 9:56:33am
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lawhawk  Sep 29, 2015 • 9:59:18am

Attempting to score Trump’s tax plan? Using traditional methods, Trump would cost $12 trillion. With a T. If you accept Trump’s assumptions (which require leaps of logic and higher growth than anyone should ever consider in these kinds of discussions), the cost drops to $10.1 trillion (with a T).

That sound you hear is the national debt groaning under the weight of derp.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 29, 2015 • 10:02:59am
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Smith25's Liberal Thighs  Sep 29, 2015 • 10:03:15am

re: #442 lawhawk

Attempting to score Trump’s tax plan? Using traditional methods, Trump would cost $12 trillion. With a T. If you accept Trump’s assumptions (which require leaps of logic and higher growth than anyone should ever consider in these kinds of discussions), the cost drops to $10.1 trillion (with a T).

That sound you hear is the national debt groaning under the weight of derp.

DYNAMIC SCORING, DYNAMIC SCORING!!!!111!!!

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jaunte  Sep 29, 2015 • 10:03:28am

New York Editor, PJ Media mansplains the gift of pregnancy:

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Eventual Carrion  Sep 29, 2015 • 10:03:49am

re: #226 Targetpractice

Pay close attention to the headline:

Why? Because not even halfway through the article, you get this:

Yeah, I don’t know about ya’ll, but when I say “not doctored,” that means the video is totally intact, warts and all. If you’re hacking “non-pertinent” bits out of the video, then you’re doctoring it.

And the company that created this analysis, a company just bought up by none other than The Carlyle Group. Right wing the whole way. Papa Bush, some bin Ladens, many old GOP reps and behind the scenes people.

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KGxvi  Sep 29, 2015 • 10:03:56am

re: #442 lawhawk

don’t worry, Trump’s got a plan to deal with the national debt. It’s called:

Chapter 7.5: The Repudiation.

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lawhawk  Sep 29, 2015 • 10:05:03am

re: #444 Smith25’s Liberal Thighs

The dynamic scoring would result in $10.1 trillion.

There is no scoring by which Trump’s “plan” achieves anything but massively increasing the national debt and increasing the wealth of the rich (those who would benefit most are those who would see their tax rate drop from 39.6% to 25% while their cap gains rates would drop to 20%.

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Patricia Kayden  Sep 29, 2015 • 10:09:18am

re: #154 darthstar

In other words, they’re all cowards who can only punch down. Talk about entitlement. Once I’m ahead of Trump in the polls, I’ll show him!

Yep. Sounds like a weak argument to me. Why not tackle him because he’s a moron and bigoted and harmful to the Republican brand? Why wait until other candidates drop out to do so?

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Eventual Carrion  Sep 29, 2015 • 10:10:08am

re: #415 Backwoods_Sleuth

[Embedded content]

[Me in the back of room, hand raised]

Excuse me sir, are you a fucking moron?

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Patricia Kayden  Sep 29, 2015 • 10:12:43am

re: #407 Targetpractice

This is basically a rerun of the ACORN “hearings.” Everything from “Our money could go to better things!” to “You’re getting rich on taxpayer dollars!”

Yep. Thankfully, this time it won’t work. It shouldn’t have worked with ACORN either. Progressives need to fight back and protect organizations which help poor people against Republican attacks which are completely unfounded and unhinged.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 29, 2015 • 10:21:47am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 29, 2015 • 10:22:34am
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retired cynic  Sep 29, 2015 • 10:50:46am

re: #421 dholmes32

Reminds me of when I got a $1200 bill from Banner Health (yes, naming names here) after spending 18 hours in their heart hospital emergency room (not even admitted) just to find out it was a flareup of acid reflux. I paid that bill and almost immediately got a request for a donation. I was like…you jackasses, go AWAY. That’s why I paid the bill!

Oh, I got a bill for over $900 for a few minutes in an ER, when they used a little rubber suction cup to take a contact lens out. !!! Paid it. Got billed $23,000 for getting rabies shots, where the state supplied the shots. Fought them on that, and got it down to a couple of thousand. Different hospitals, same ethic.


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