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Kragar  Oct 1, 2015 • 9:42:06pm

Doing touch up work on some of my older work

And finally got around to getting a Razorback for the Chaplain

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Charles Johnson  Oct 1, 2015 • 9:53:21pm
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Amory Blaine  Oct 1, 2015 • 10:01:31pm

“We try to ignore the elephant somehow” - great song.

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allegro  Oct 1, 2015 • 10:20:49pm

re: #2 Charles Johnson

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Much too cowardly a guy for here. A Nazi memorabilia collecting MRA Republican would quickly find himself on the grill.

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Amory Blaine  Oct 1, 2015 • 10:27:21pm

I gotta say I’m really liking Colbert’s new show.

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Ace-o-aces  Oct 1, 2015 • 10:27:30pm
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Ace-o-aces  Oct 1, 2015 • 10:30:53pm
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Amory Blaine  Oct 1, 2015 • 10:52:58pm

Scott Walker is looking for a new career (I hope).

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Eclectic Cyborg  Oct 1, 2015 • 10:54:45pm

re: #7 Ace-o-aces

Reminds me of some of my favourite Star Trek dialogue. When an Admiral tells Captain Picard that a forced relocation is really no big deal because there’s only 600 people involved, the captain responds with this:

How many people does it take, Admiral, before it becomes wrong? A thousand? Fifty thousand? A million? How many people does it take, Admiral?

This is the same question we’re asking ourselves tonight: How many bodies does it take before things change?

The obvious answer it seems is far far too many.

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Ace-o-aces  Oct 1, 2015 • 11:00:08pm
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Eclectic Cyborg  Oct 1, 2015 • 11:01:32pm

re: #11 Ace-o-aces

Yeah, all those crazy Muslim libertarians…

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Ace-o-aces  Oct 1, 2015 • 11:11:03pm

Is there any evidence this is true other than the second hand account of a traumatized parent? It reminds me of similar claims about Columbine that turned out to be B.S.

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teleskiguy  Oct 1, 2015 • 11:12:17pm

re: #13 Ace-o-aces

Is there any evidence this is true other than the second hand account of a traumatized parent? It reminds me of similar claims about Columbine that turned out to be B.S.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Oct 1, 2015 • 11:19:13pm

re: #14 teleskiguy

I wish I had a stack of postcards with that on it that I could hand to people.

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Dark_Falcon  Oct 1, 2015 • 11:23:51pm

re: #13 Ace-o-aces

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Is there any evidence this is true other than the second hand account of a traumatized parent? It reminds me of similar claims about Columbine that turned out to be B.S.

No, there’s no evidence. It’s just a rumor.

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teleskiguy  Oct 1, 2015 • 11:24:12pm

It’s still too early to say what exactly happened today in Roseburg, OR. From my personal trawling of various internet sources I ascertain this (this is still speculation at this point): The shooter targeted *anyone* who said they were religious, and he targeted women in particular.

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Dark_Falcon  Oct 1, 2015 • 11:26:25pm

re: #17 teleskiguy

It’s still too early to say what exactly happened today in Roseburg, OR. From my personal trawling of various internet sources I ascertain this (this is still speculation at this point): The shooter targeted *anyone* who said they were religious, and he targeted women in particular.

Then tomorrow will feature much wailing about the “militant atheist threat”.

/I wish I was kidding.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Oct 1, 2015 • 11:30:53pm

re: #18 Dark_Falcon

Then tomorrow will feature much wailing about the “militant atheist threat”.

/I wish I was kidding.

According to the Guardian, Harper-Mercer’s dating profile said he was “pagan, wiccan, no religious, but spiritual.” So, the wailing will also be about Satanism and Christian-hating, though there seems to be nothing in his social media pages indicating he hated Christians especially.

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The Ghost of a Flea  Oct 1, 2015 • 11:31:56pm

Most folks citing the “targeting Christians” in comments (at places like Gawker and a few other aggregator sites) things are citing the NY Post as the source.

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teleskiguy  Oct 1, 2015 • 11:37:05pm
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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Oct 1, 2015 • 11:37:21pm

re: #20 The Ghost of a Flea

Most folks citing the “targeting Christians” in comments (at places like Gawker and a few other aggregator sites) things are citing the NY Post as the source.

And the Post got it from some other source equally unreliable.

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Amory Blaine  Oct 1, 2015 • 11:37:24pm

Has the dating profile been authenticated?

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Dark_Falcon  Oct 1, 2015 • 11:37:26pm

re: #19 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

According to the Guardian, Harper-Mercer’s dating profile said he was “pagan, wiccan, no religious, but spiritual.” So, the wailing will also be about Satanism and Christian-hating, though there seems to be nothing in his social media pages indicating he hated Christians especially.

Well, its October, so anti-wiccan folks can call for witch burnings to eliminate the threat.

[groan]

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Oct 1, 2015 • 11:39:23pm

re: #23 Amory Blaine

Has the dating profile been authenticated?

It has the same photos as others circulating, but police spokespeople have not confirmed them. I’d say it’s at least a 90% chance the dating profile was Harper’s.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Oct 1, 2015 • 11:56:20pm

So, one of the founders of Peeple is saying there’s nothing to worry about, and then makes this false analogy:

Peeple co-founder Julia Cordray told the BBC: “With any new concept there is naturally fear.

“When the people found out that the Earth was round instead of flat and that we revolved around the Sun instead of the Sun revolving around us, naturally people were upset and confused and they pushed back with all that they had.”

bbc.com

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Kragar  Oct 2, 2015 • 12:35:49am
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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Oct 2, 2015 • 12:45:02am

re: #27 Kragar

GOP idolatry at work: fetus worship, gun worship.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Oct 2, 2015 • 2:43:36am

Facebook friend in Bushwick (NYC) posted this:

Latinos are paying attention.

Pendejo means asshole, idiot, or pubic hair, depending on the speaker’s country of origin and the context.

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Dave In Austin  Oct 2, 2015 • 3:04:05am

I see Joe the Intern Slayer is all over the “Christian Killer” angle this morning.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Oct 2, 2015 • 4:16:29am

Ha! I was right. Kim Davis did not have a special, private meeting with the Pope, and he did not specifically tell her it was OK to violate the SSM law.

reuters.com

She was one of several people in a line to greet Francis. The only really private meetings were with Francis’ former students, the Vatican says.

So, basically, Mat Staver and Kim Davis were lying for Jesus — again.

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Thor Heyerdahl  Oct 2, 2015 • 4:17:16am

The other shoe is starting to drop…Kim Davis didn’t get a private meeting with the Pope and was a pawn in some internal Vatican ratfucking game? (I’m thinking Raymond Burke or some other conservative American Cardinals are behind it). How long is Carlo Maria Vigano (the Vatican Nuncio in Washington) going to remain in that position, before being reassigned to manage some Catholic charity in Liberia?

All of these self-righteous “Christians” who cloak their hypocrisy and bigotry behind religion really piss me off. They want to quote a couple obscure Old Testament verses about marriage, yet skip the entire set of verses about the Ten Commandments (or use them when politically expedient).

I was going to say “Fuck You Kim Davis,” but then that would mean that hate has won. Kim, before you die, may you learn to love at the level of those you discriminate against.

Pope Francis’ Meeting Wasn’t an Endorsement of Kim Davis’s Views, Vatican Says (NYT)

“Pope Francis met with several dozen persons who had been invited by the Nunciature to greet him as he prepared to leave Washington for New York City,” Father Lombardi said in the statement, referring to the Vatican’s term for its embassy.

He added: “Such brief greetings occur on all papal visits and are due to the pope’s characteristic kindness and availability. The only real audience granted by the pope at the Nunciature was with one of his former students and his family.”

Vatican Source: Pope Blindsided By Meeting With Controversial Kentucky Clerk (CBS Chicago)

A highly placed source inside the Vatican claims the Pope was blindsided.

As Pope Francis was addressing a joint session of Congress, then thousands more gathered outside on the west lawn, Kim Davis, who’d become the poster child for opponents of same-sex marriage, was getting ready for a meeting with him at the Vatican embassy.

It is a meeting some charge was orchestrated by the man who lived there, the Pope’s representative here, Carlo Maria Vigano.

Not even the Papal Spokesman Federico Lombardi knew about it ahead of time. Nor did the leadership of the U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops, which would have opposed it.

Others claim the Pope knew about the meeting and had ordered Vatican diplomats, perhaps even Vigano, to set it up.

CBS 2’s Vatican source doesn’t think so.

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thedopefishlives  Oct 2, 2015 • 4:18:24am

re: #30 Dave In Austin

I see Joe the Intern Slayer is all over the “Christian Killer” angle this morning.

As I’m sure most of you can imagine, my FB feed has absolutely been exploding with posts about the shooter supposedly specifically targeting Christians. The thing is, even if he was, he’s still one lone-nut asshole murdering people. It’s not persecution and it’s not a license to start banning teh ghey and everything else Christians don’t like.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Oct 2, 2015 • 4:25:47am

re: #32 Thor Heyerdahl

I tell ya, as soon as Staver and Davis started crowing about this “secret, private” meeting with the Pope, it smelled fishy. Basically, they exaggerated a grip-and-grin photo op into a full-blown audience with His Holiness. I figured it was more like:

Papal assistant: Your Holiness, this is Kim Davis of Kentucky.
Davis: Hello, father, I am Kim Davis, and I’m having some troubles, because I oppose SSM but my job is to issue marriage licenses.I went to jail about it for six terrible, agonizing days.
Francis: Bless you, my child, be strong, stay the course. Here’s some Rosary beads. Say the Rosary every day, and she will help you.
Davis: Sorry, I’m not Catholic, but my parents are.
Francis: In that case, have two sets of beads.
Papal assistant: Next, please.

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Bird in the Paw  Oct 2, 2015 • 4:31:02am

re: #32 Thor Heyerdahl

Iodine for content and a billion for the name.

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Thor Heyerdahl  Oct 2, 2015 • 4:41:58am

re: #34 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

Trying to get in an early lead in the run for Patron Saint of Grift?

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Oct 2, 2015 • 4:44:35am

re: #36 Thor Heyerdahl

Trying to get in an early lead in the run for Patron Saint of Grift?

Either looking for Catholic suckers, or hoping to recruit Catholic allies in their lost cause.

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I Stand With Planned Parenthood  Oct 2, 2015 • 4:47:39am

Yeah, I got an earful of the “of course, it’s a Muslim . . ” last night.

So called Xtians have no idea how much disdain other white people have for their version of God.

Most of us hear “Christian” and we run the other way.

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The Vicious Babushka  Oct 2, 2015 • 4:47:59am

Wingnuts have found their talking point, and it is MOAR GUNZ!!!!1!!!!
So surprise.

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I Stand With Planned Parenthood  Oct 2, 2015 • 4:49:05am

re: #32 Thor Heyerdahl

you have a great moniker!

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Oct 2, 2015 • 4:49:51am

re: #38 I Stand With Planned Parenthood

Yeah, I got an earful of the “of course, it’s a Muslim . . ” last night.

So called Xtians have no idea how much disdain other white people have for their version of God.

Most of us hear “Christian” and we run the other way.

Except he’s not Muslim.

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I Stand With Planned Parenthood  Oct 2, 2015 • 4:50:42am

The Senate Just Took a Huge Step on Criminal Justice Reform

I was always taught that prison was a deterrent to crime. I’m not so sure anymore.

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I Stand With Planned Parenthood  Oct 2, 2015 • 4:51:26am

re: #41 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

Except he’s not Muslim.

Bb,b,b,b,bhe was targetting Xtians!!!!!!

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A Mom Anon  Oct 2, 2015 • 5:05:34am

re: #33 thedopefishlives

I went and unfollowed all my pet wingnuts on facebook yesterday as soon as the “OMG he went after Christians” shit hit the fan. So far my newsfeed is fairly clear of that nonsense. I’m about to go post the Dave Cullen link about how wrong the news is right after one of these damned shootings, let’s see how that goes over, lol. These people…..

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HappyWarrior  Oct 2, 2015 • 5:13:33am

re: #39 The Vicious Babushka

Wingnuts have found their talking point, and it is MOAR GUNZ!!!!1!!!!
So surprise.

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They’re admitting tehy want military rule. I have a feeling the many wingnuts on your TL wold have loved post WWII Latin America.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 2, 2015 • 5:15:17am

re: #32 Thor Heyerdahl

The other shoe is starting to drop…Kim Davis didn’t get a private meeting with the Pope and was a pawn in some internal Vatican ratfucking game? (I’m thinking Raymond Burke or some other conservative American Cardinals are behind it). How long is Carlo Maria Vigano (the Vatican Nuncio in Washington) going to remain in that position, before being reassigned to manage some Catholic charity in Liberia?

All of these self-righteous “Christians” who cloak their hypocrisy and bigotry behind religion really piss me off. They want to quote a couple obscure Old Testament verses about marriage, yet skip the entire set of verses about the Ten Commandments (or use them when politically expedient).

I was going to say “Fuck You Kim Davis,” but then that would mean that hate has won. Kim, before you die, may you learn to love at the level of those you discriminate against.

Pope Francis’ Meeting Wasn’t an Endorsement of Kim Davis’s Views, Vatican Says (NYT)

Vatican Source: Pope Blindsided By Meeting With Controversial Kentucky Clerk (CBS Chicago)

I still wish he had not done it but I am willing to bet that he also probably had no idea who she was.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 2, 2015 • 5:18:28am

I haven’t been on since 5:30 last night so I see “the shooter was a Muslim” angle and that Christians were targeted. Even if the latter was so, there’s a lot of acts of violence committed in the name of Christianity and no one who is condemning Atheism or Islam condemns Christianity for. Conservative Christianity never got ciriticized for Eric Rudolph’s acts even though Islam as a whole gets the blame whenever a Muslim so much as brings a clock to school.

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A Mom Anon  Oct 2, 2015 • 5:19:51am

re: #46 HappyWarrior

The short version, imo, is that the American wingnut wing of the Catholic church set this up so Davis’ publicity dept (and make no mistake, she has one) could use this as a way to take the overall good feelings the Pope is generating and glom onto that for money. Period. She’s supposed to be “writing” a book soon, timed to hit the shelves for the holidays. Just in time for the War On Christmas. Because the Kentucky Fried Dingbat doesn’t have enough money with her 80K a year salary. I’m sick of her face. And her supporters.

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I Stand With Planned Parenthood  Oct 2, 2015 • 5:20:53am
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I Stand With Planned Parenthood  Oct 2, 2015 • 5:21:51am

Pope needs to clean house if Kim Davis can get thru to see him.

His handlers need to be changed.

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A Mom Anon  Oct 2, 2015 • 5:22:13am

re: #47 HappyWarrior

I think I’m going to just respond the that Muslim “issue” with a list of guys like Rudolph and no other comment. I predict I will lose friends, lol. Fuck it, I’m tired of being nice.

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I Stand With Planned Parenthood  Oct 2, 2015 • 5:22:36am

Lots of people on my twitter (foreigners) are saying that American’s are afraid of everything.

I think they might be right.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 2, 2015 • 5:22:56am

re: #48 A Mom Anon

The short version, imo, is that the American wingnut wing of the Catholic church set this up so Davis’ publicity dept (and make no mistake, she has one) could use this as a way to take the overall good feelings the Pope is generating and glom onto that for money. Period. She’s supposed to be “writing” a book soon, timed to hit the shelves for the holidays. Just in time for the War On Christmas. Because the Kentucky Fried Dingbat doesn’t have enough money with her 80K a year salary. I’m sick of her face. And her supporters.

Sounds right to me.

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I Stand With Planned Parenthood  Oct 2, 2015 • 5:23:01am

re: #51 A Mom Anon

I think I’m going to just respond the that Muslim “issue” with a list of guys like Rudolph and no other comment. I predict I will lose friends, lol. Fuck it, I’m tired of being nice.

Welcome to my world.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Oct 2, 2015 • 5:26:07am

re: #50 I Stand With Planned Parenthood

Pope needs to clean house if Kim Davis can get thru to see him.

His handlers need to be changed.

His “handlers” were the American cardinals, which according to Charles Pierce, are Benedict fanboys. They set up the meeting, he says, to undermine the Pope’s visit.

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andres  Oct 2, 2015 • 5:26:21am

re: #29 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

Facebook friend in Bushwick (NYC) posted this:

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Pendejo means asshole, idiot, or pubic hair, depending on the speaker’s country of origin and the context.

I speak Spanish and I didn’t know the last definition. Good to know.

Now I’m curious as to where that definition is from. :)

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Oct 2, 2015 • 5:28:40am

You know, the only person (AFAIK) who said the Oregon shooter was Muslim is UpChuck, based on absolutely no evidence than the fart out of his ass. weev tweeted a link to UpChuck’s blog, and now this falsehood has entered the RWNJ reality bubble.

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I Stand With Planned Parenthood  Oct 2, 2015 • 5:29:17am

Queer City isn’t buying that Pope didn’t know what he was doing by meeting with Kim Davis.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 2, 2015 • 5:29:20am

re: #52 I Stand With Planned Parenthood

Lots of people on my twitter (foreigners) are saying that American’s are afraid of everything.

I think they might be right.

I agree unfortunately. A lot of paranoia.

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I Stand With Planned Parenthood  Oct 2, 2015 • 5:30:01am

re: #55 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

His “handlers” were the American cardinals, which according to Charles Pierce, are Benedict fanboys. They set up the meeting, he says, to undermine the Pope’s visit.

American RC hierarchy is worse than the Borgias.

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Timothy Watson  Oct 2, 2015 • 5:31:11am

re: #47 HappyWarrior

I haven’t been on since 5:30 last night so I see “the shooter was a Muslim” angle and that Christians were targeted. Even if the latter was so, there’s a lot of acts of violence committed in the name of Christianity and no one who is condemning Atheism or Islam condemns Christianity for. Conservative Christianity never got ciriticized for Eric Rudolph’s acts even though Islam as a whole gets the blame whenever a Muslim so much as brings a clock to school.

From the stuff I’ve seen, I think he’s just a few degrees separated from Neo-Nazism. The guy’s a neopagan (which was popular among Himmler and some of his lackeys) and he uses the alias “IRONCROSS45”?

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Dr. Matt  Oct 2, 2015 • 5:31:17am
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HappyWarrior  Oct 2, 2015 • 5:31:32am

re: #51 A Mom Anon

I think I’m going to just respond the that Muslim “issue” with a list of guys like Rudolph and no other comment. I predict I will lose friends, lol. Fuck it, I’m tired of being nice.

I mean these people blame atheism for Stalinism and even more absurdly Nazism and ignore that the Christan religion has been used to justify not only killing millions of non-Christians but millions of Christians too.

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I Stand With Planned Parenthood  Oct 2, 2015 • 5:31:34am

Any more news on the mindset of the killer in Oregon?

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HappyWarrior  Oct 2, 2015 • 5:32:33am

re: #61 Timothy Watson

For the stuff I’ve seen, I think he’s just a few degrees seperated from Neo-Nazism. The guy’s a neopagan (which was popular among Himmler and some of his lackeys) and he uses the alias “IRONCROSS45”?

An occultist type. NeoNazi for sure with that username.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 2, 2015 • 5:34:15am

re: #62 Dr. Matt

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If facts agreed with conservatives, they wouldn’t be conservatives.

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Timothy Watson  Oct 2, 2015 • 5:34:21am

re: #61 Timothy Watson

More evidence: If this is the same guy, he purchased a Waffen-SS dress uniform hat
ioffer.com

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I Stand With Planned Parenthood  Oct 2, 2015 • 5:34:46am

re: #65 HappyWarrior

An occultist type. NeoNazi for sure with that username.

The kind of person who sees “signs” in just about everything that confirm his world view?

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HappyWarrior  Oct 2, 2015 • 5:36:30am

re: #68 I Stand With Planned Parenthood

The kind of person who sees “signs” in just about everything that confirm his world view?

Thinking more like how Himmler was. They see Christianity as bastardized Judaism. It’s a fairly common view in Neo-Nazi communities.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 2, 2015 • 5:38:59am

Thus these types embrace a sort of paganism that their ancestors may have practiced before the arrival of Christianity because they see it as “pure” and “Germanic.” Not all pagans are like that of course just as not all Christians are Christian Identity or funding zealots.

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Higgs Boson's Mate  Oct 2, 2015 • 5:42:01am

No matter what comes out of the investigation you can rest assured that, for conservatives, the shooter was a Muslim who targeted Christians. Watch for a flood of gun toting goobers to show up this Sunday to protect churches from the Muslim hordes. This won’t end here.

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Bubblehead II  Oct 2, 2015 • 5:42:04am

re: #67 Timothy Watson

More evidence: If this is the same guy, he purchased a Waffen-SS dress uniform hat
ioffer.com

Don’t think it is the same guy. That links says the purchaser is from Lehi, Ut. Where as (the shooters) family (at least his father) resides in Tarzana, Ca.

*edited for clarity*

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Kryptik  Oct 2, 2015 • 5:43:32am

Unfortunately, I’m fairly sure that, by the way they act whenever it comes up, that most of these assholes believe Muslim and Pagan to be essentially equivalent anyway and will simply crank up the noise.

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I Stand With Planned Parenthood  Oct 2, 2015 • 5:48:32am

Christian Preacher: I’ve Raised 35 People from the Dead by Praying for Them

You’ll all be thrilled to learn that Christian preacher Todd Bentley, last seen explaining how kicking women in the face was a way to heal them, has resurrected 35 people thanks to the power of God:

Yeah, run the other way —fast!

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I Stand With Planned Parenthood  Oct 2, 2015 • 5:49:09am
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Kid A  Oct 2, 2015 • 5:49:33am

Good morning from Wingnutistan.

Just another day in Texas…

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HappyWarrior  Oct 2, 2015 • 5:49:42am

re: #74 I Stand With Planned Parenthood

Christian Preacher: I’ve Raised 35 People from the Dead by Praying for Them

Yeah, run the other way —fast!

I notice he doesn’t kick men in the face.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 2, 2015 • 5:50:49am

re: #76 Kid A

Good morning from Wingnutistan.

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Just another day in Texas…

There’s a nice industry dedicated to the fantasy that someone’s gonna take their guns. Suckers.

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I Stand With Planned Parenthood  Oct 2, 2015 • 5:51:18am

re: #78 HappyWarrior

There’s a nice industry dedicated to the fantasy that someone’s gonna take their guns. Suckers.

Obama has been great for the gun industry.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Oct 2, 2015 • 5:51:49am

re: #74 I Stand With Planned Parenthood

Christian Preacher: I’ve Raised 35 People from the Dead by Praying for Them

Yeah, run the other way —fast!

I want to see the death certificates!!

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Eventual Carrion  Oct 2, 2015 • 5:52:13am

re: #49 I Stand With Planned Parenthood

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Poor persecuted christians.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 2, 2015 • 5:52:24am

re: #79 I Stand With Planned Parenthood

Obama has been great for the gun industry.

As was Bill Clinton and Obama’s successor.

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I Stand With Planned Parenthood  Oct 2, 2015 • 5:53:13am

re: #76 Kid A

Good morning from Wingnutistan.

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Just another day in Texas…

Trying to take guns away in this country would take alien intervention. Law Enforcement would have to go over every inch of land and wall space in the country with metal detectors and other sciency gadgets SIMULTANEOUSLY to find them all.

Then they would have to find a way to monitor anyone with the skill sets to work with metal that might make a firearm in their basement or garage.

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Kid A  Oct 2, 2015 • 5:54:22am

Okay the guy that owns that truck just walked out to it. It’s every stereotype you could imagine.

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I Stand With Planned Parenthood  Oct 2, 2015 • 5:54:39am
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HappyWarrior  Oct 2, 2015 • 5:54:56am

Reagan had more of a record as a “gun grabber” then Obama but Ronnie wasn’t a black guy from Chicago with a funny name so the gun nuts loooved him.

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I Stand With Planned Parenthood  Oct 2, 2015 • 5:55:37am
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Kid A  Oct 2, 2015 • 5:55:58am

re: #79 I Stand With Planned Parenthood

Obama has been great for the gun industry.

Indeed. Every time he talks reasonably about guns, gun and ammo purchases go through the roof. Glock should send him a case of Caymus at Christmas for all the business.

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The Vicious Babushka  Oct 2, 2015 • 5:56:50am

re: #51 A Mom Anon

I think I’m going to just respond the that Muslim “issue” with a list of guys like Rudolph and no other comment. I predict I will lose friends, lol. Fuck it, I’m tired of being nice.

Post the list here so we can make a meme out of it for Teh Twitters.

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Kid A  Oct 2, 2015 • 5:57:30am

He’s white? Check. Vietnam veteran hat? Check. Over sixty years old? Check. Cowboy boots? Check.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 2, 2015 • 5:58:13am

The firearms industry is prospering. If Obama were truly anti-gun and or a tyrant, this wouldn’t be the case. As I said guys like that driver are suckers, pawns even in the gun industry’s silly game they’ve played for as long as I can remember that firearm rights are under attack from liberals.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 2, 2015 • 5:58:39am

re: #90 Kid A

He’s white? Check. Vietnam veteran hat? Check. Over sixty years old? Check. Cowboy boots? Check.

Beard? Not that there’s anything wrong with that.

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Timothy Watson  Oct 2, 2015 • 5:59:06am

re: #85 I Stand With Planned Parenthood

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Heh, reminds me of the Chris Rock skit where he talks about diving off an elevator because two white teenagers got on it:
Chris Rock - Crazy Kids

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I Stand With Planned Parenthood  Oct 2, 2015 • 5:59:21am
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Kid A  Oct 2, 2015 • 6:00:19am

re: #92 HappyWarrior

Beard? Not that there’s anything wrong with that.

He don’t need no stinkin’ beard!

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Eventual Carrion  Oct 2, 2015 • 6:00:51am

re: #87 I Stand With Planned Parenthood

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Maybe we need to reread the 2009 report that was so roundly poopoo by the rightwing nutjobs back then. Everything it cited has happened.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 2, 2015 • 6:01:13am

re: #94 I Stand With Planned Parenthood

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It should help. I’d suggest some other shows too for younger viewers. She’s got a sense of humor. She would benefit from showing it.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 2, 2015 • 6:01:30am

re: #95 Kid A

He don’t need no stinkin’ beard!

Ah ok.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 2, 2015 • 6:02:54am

re: #96 Eventual Carrion

Maybe we need to reread the 2009 report that was so roundly poopoo by the rightwing nutjobs back then. Everything it cited has happened.

Which was oddly enough started by the Bush DHS but yes I remember the fury when the report suggested that these groups would recruit vets. Well McVeigh was a vet, Nichols too, Rudolph, Frazier Glenn Miller, etc.

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dholmes32  Oct 2, 2015 • 6:03:09am

re: #74 I Stand With Planned Parenthood

Christian Preacher: I’ve Raised 35 People from the Dead by Praying for Them

Yeah, run the other way —fast!

Bentley was the main attraction at a heavily-promoted “Lakeland Revival” back in 2008 (it’s been that long?). Anyway, ABC pretty much busted him on his healing claims. I seem to recall he said he’d raised 20 people from the dead in the course of that revival—but no proof, none whatsoever.

abcnews.go.com

The only thing that has changed is that Bentley’s now moved his shtick to Africa, where there’s even lesser oversight than here on wild claims.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Oct 2, 2015 • 6:04:20am

re: #97 HappyWarrior

It should help. I’d suggest some other shows too for younger viewers. She’s got a sense of humor. She would benefit from showing it.

Guest role on The Simpsons?

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HappyWarrior  Oct 2, 2015 • 6:04:20am

re: #100 dholmes32

Bentley was the main attraction at a heavily-promoted “Lakeland Revival” back in 2008 (it’s been that long?). Anyway, ABC pretty much busted him on his healing claims. I seem to recall he said he’d raised 20 people from the dead in the course of that revival—but no proof, none whatsoever.

abcnews.go.com

The only thing that has changed is that Bentley’s now moved his shtick to Africa, where there’s even lesser oversight than here on wild claims.

Seen God Loves Uganda? Scary scary stuff.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 2, 2015 • 6:05:17am

re: #101 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

Guest role on The Simpsons?

Daily Show, Conan, more I’m thinking.

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Romantic Heretic  Oct 2, 2015 • 6:05:19am

re: #1 Kragar

I was going to ask, “Are those the good guys or the bad guys?”

Then I remembered there are no good guys in Warhammer 40K.

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Eventual Carrion  Oct 2, 2015 • 6:05:28am

re: #99 HappyWarrior

Which was oddly enough started by the Bush DHS but yes I remember the fury when the report suggested that these groups would recruit vets. Well McVeigh was a vet, Nichols too, Rudolph, Frazier Glenn Miller, etc.

And it also cited abortion protesters, religious nuts, militia types. All has come to pass. But now back to the Benghazi “investigation”.

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I Stand With Planned Parenthood  Oct 2, 2015 • 6:05:37am
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dholmes32  Oct 2, 2015 • 6:06:24am

re: #83 I Stand With Planned Parenthood

Trying to take guns away in this country would take alien intervention. Law Enforcement would have to go over every inch of land and wall space in the country with metal detectors and other sciency gadgets SIMULTANEOUSLY to find them all.

Then they would have to find a way to monitor anyone with the skill sets to work with metal that might make a firearm in their basement or garage.

My suggestion has always been to do nothing about the guns, but to tax the hell out of the bullets and to require gun manufacturers to use special identification on each bullet. It’s better than not doing anything.

What would REALLY put a crimp into the gun festivities is if insurance companies were to change up their policies to not cover gun-related crimes, or to require a special rider to have a gun in an insured home.

But what really has to happen is a sea change in thinking that says gun deaths are a public health nightmare and unacceptable.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 2, 2015 • 6:06:28am

re: #105 Eventual Carrion

And it also cited abortion protesters, religious nuts, militia types. All has come to pass. But now back to the Benghazi “investigation”.

Right. How very correct that report was and how the nuts shat on it and Napolitano.

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Romantic Heretic  Oct 2, 2015 • 6:10:05am

re: #20 The Ghost of a Flea

Most folks citing the “targeting Christians” in comments (at places like Gawker and a few other aggregator sites) things are citing the NY Post as the source.

The second I saw the Post article linked in over at Facebook I rolled my eyes so hard that I saw my brain.

You can’t trust the Post to report the weather correctly.

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I Stand With Planned Parenthood  Oct 2, 2015 • 6:10:34am

and I thought Shirley< was a Herman Wouk thing.

I am not jesting.

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Belafon  Oct 2, 2015 • 6:13:20am

“What if one of the people killed yesterday had the ability to find the cure for cancer?”

Because so many of the pro-gun people are anti-abortion people.

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dholmes32  Oct 2, 2015 • 6:13:34am

re: #108 HappyWarrior

Right. How very correct that report was and how the nuts shat on it and Napolitano.

More recent reports have identified “sovereign citizens” as the major terrorist threat in the USA, not jihadists. I know more about sovereign citizens than I care to admit and the problem with saying “sovereign citizens” is two-fold. First of all: since the Great Recession, “sovereign citizen” ideology has expanded from its ultra-right wing, white nationalist roots and has been embraced by some African-Americans.

Second, there is no one or two or five or eight or twenty-seven people who are “leaders” in the sovcit movement. It’s like every wo/man for himself. So you have some sovereign citizens who are simply in it because they want to dodge taxes, and then you have the guys like Thomas Deegan who was going to perform a coup d’etat at the West Virginia statehouse last week. They’re all over the map.

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I Stand With Planned Parenthood  Oct 2, 2015 • 6:14:01am

re: #107 dholmes32

But what really has to happen is a sea change in thinking that says gun deaths are a public health nightmare and unacceptable.

QFT

Again, as long as we are killing our own, no one will take notice. It seems we need an “other” to blame before we get serious.

It used to be black people were the knee-jerk scapegoats. The white power structure hasn’t been able to deal with it and it’s been something like 4 decades since the CRA.

Luckily, there was the Russians, then the gays (aids) then the drug cartels, then 9/11.

Somehow, the rest of us have figured out that it doesn’t matter the boogieman, xenophobia is not the answer.

humans!

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Oct 2, 2015 • 6:15:23am

re: #113 I Stand With Planned Parenthood

QFT

Again, as long as we are killing our own, no one will take notice. It seems we need an “other” to blame before we get serious.

It used to be black people were the knee-jerk scapegoats. The white power structure hasn’t been able to deal with it and it’s been something like 4 decades since the CRA.

Luckily, there was the Russians, then the gays (aids) then the drug cartels, then 9/11.

Somehow, the rest of us have figured out that it doesn’t matter the boogieman, xenophobia is not the answer.

humans!

Just wait till the Vulcans land in Montana …

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Dark_Falcon  Oct 2, 2015 • 6:15:38am

re: #49 I Stand With Planned Parenthood

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I live in Des Plaines, so I think I am going to need to write the mayor and my alderman to get ask them to stop this foolishness. Mosques have to be treated equally with churches, after all.

GGT, Bratwurst also lives in Des Plaines. If you see her here on LGF before I do will you please make sure she sees that DoJ press release?

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The Vicious Babushka  Oct 2, 2015 • 6:17:13am

re: #111 Belafon

“What if one of the people killed yesterday had the ability to find the cure for cancer?”

Because so many of the pro-gun people are anti-abortion people.

The only ever make this “what if” for a fetus, never to a human being capable of rational thought.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 2, 2015 • 6:17:34am

re: #112 dholmes32

More recent reports have identified “sovereign citizens” as the major terrorist threat in the USA, not jihadists. I know more about sovereign citizens than I care to admit and the problem with saying “sovereign citizens” is two-fold. First of all: since the Great Recession, “sovereign citizen” ideology has expanded from its ultra-right wing, white nationalist roots and has been embraced by some African-Americans.

Second, there is no one or two or five or eight or twenty-seven people who are “leaders” in the sovcit movement. It’s like every wo/man for himself. So you have some sovereign citizens who are simply in it because they want to dodge taxes, and then you have the guys like Thomas Deegan who was going to perform a coup d’etat at the West Virginia statehouse last week. They’re all over the map.

It’s a truly scary movement because of that.

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I Stand With Planned Parenthood  Oct 2, 2015 • 6:18:04am

re: #111 Belafon

“What if one of the people killed yesterday had the ability to find the cure for cancer?”

Because so many of the pro-gun people are anti-abortion people.

Which I don’t understand at all. Liberatarians used to be pro-choice on both.

I’m all for self-defense. I consider abortion to be self-defense.

A man can kill a woman by keeping her pregnant. Pregnancy is life-threatening. If the shit hits the fan, I have the right to save my own life.

People really don’t understand how recently medical science has made safe pregnancy and delivery possible for the masses. We don’t know about orphan populations and their quality of life. They weren’t all illegitimate. Many lost their mothers to pregnancy.

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I Stand With Planned Parenthood  Oct 2, 2015 • 6:18:33am

re: #114 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

Just wait till the Vulcans land in Montana …

Not going to happen. We won’t fund the research to achieve Warp.

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Belafon  Oct 2, 2015 • 6:18:58am

re: #116 The Vicious Babushka

It was your tweet I modeled the question after.

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I Stand With Planned Parenthood  Oct 2, 2015 • 6:19:25am

re: #115 Dark_Falcon

I live in Des Plaines, so I think I am going to need to write the mayor and my alderman to get ask them to stop this foolishness. Mosques have to be treated equally with churches, after all.

GGT, Bratwurst also lives in Des Plaines. If you see her here on LGF before I do will you please make sure she sees that DoJ press release?

will do

and follow-up with phone calls —staff needs to know you care as well.

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Dark_Falcon  Oct 2, 2015 • 6:20:05am

re: #99 HappyWarrior

Which was oddly enough started by the Bush DHS but yes I remember the fury when the report suggested that these groups would recruit vets. Well McVeigh was a vet, Nichols too, Rudolph, Frazier Glenn Miller, etc.

Any sort of insurgent movement is going to try to recruit military veterans, because they have special skills that such a movement needs. People who actually know how to fire a rifle at longer ranges, who know fieldcraft and how to make a proper camp are invaluable to insurrectos.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Oct 2, 2015 • 6:20:14am

re: #119 I Stand With Planned Parenthood

Not going to happen. We won’t fund the research to achieve Warp.

It’ll be done by some citizen scientist in his garage … next to a convenient missile silo.

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Dark_Falcon  Oct 2, 2015 • 6:20:28am

re: #121 I Stand With Planned Parenthood

will do

and follow-up with phone calls —staff needs to know you care as well.

Will do.

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I Stand With Planned Parenthood  Oct 2, 2015 • 6:20:36am

re: #123 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

It’ll be done by some citizen scientist in his garage … next to a convenient missile silo.

you are right

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Timothy Watson  Oct 2, 2015 • 6:21:36am

re: #118 I Stand With Planned Parenthood

People really don’t understand how recently medical science has made safe pregnancy and delivery possible for the masses. We don’t know about orphan populations and their quality of life. They weren’t all illegitimate. Many lost their mothers to pregnancy.

And the United States continues to have one of the worse maternal mortality rates of the industrialized world, between Iran and Hungary.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 2, 2015 • 6:22:20am

re: #122 Dark_Falcon

Any sort of insurgent movement is going to try to recruit military veterans, because they have special skills that such a movement needs. People who actually know how to fire a rifle at longer ranges, who know fieldcraft and how to make a proper camp are invaluable to insurrectos.

Right, it was just common sense and not anti veteran at all to suggest that these groups will and do recruit vets. And these people complain about “PC run amok” fah!

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I Stand With Planned Parenthood  Oct 2, 2015 • 6:22:39am
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I Stand With Planned Parenthood  Oct 2, 2015 • 6:22:56am

re: #126 Timothy Watson

And the United States continues to have one of the worse maternal mortality rates of the industrialized world, between Iran and Hungary.

yup

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dholmes32  Oct 2, 2015 • 6:25:23am

re: #126 Timothy Watson

And the United States continues to have one of the worse maternal mortality rates of the industrialized world, between Iran and Hungary.

But but but but…pro-lifers will tell you that pregnancy is a time of puppies and kittens and unicorns and nothing bad will happen….

(My mother nearly died from pre-eclampsia when she delivered me back in 1960. I’ve known since childhood that pregnancy and childbirth were dangerous.)

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I Stand With Planned Parenthood  Oct 2, 2015 • 6:26:12am

re: #96 Eventual Carrion

Maybe we need to reread the 2009 report that was so roundly poopoo by the rightwing nutjobs back then. Everything it cited has happened.

at least dig it up and have it make the social media rounds.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Oct 2, 2015 • 6:26:17am

re: #126 Timothy Watson

And the United States continues to have one of the worse maternal mortality rates of the industrialized world, between Iran and Hungary.

My paternal grandfather’s mother died at age 24, several months after he was born. Intestinal infection was the listed cause, but it may have been a complication of the birthing process. My mom’s mom also died a year after giving birth, but from pulmonary disease. She was a garment worker in NYC.

My great-grandfather remarried in 1860. They had eight children, but only four survived to adulthood. This was a middle class family with access to decent (for the time) medical care.

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Timothy Watson  Oct 2, 2015 • 6:26:43am

And the pro-lifers have no problem with an infant mortality rate between Poland and Serbia.

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Dark_Falcon  Oct 2, 2015 • 6:27:23am

re: #116 The Vicious Babushka

The only ever make this “what if” for a fetus, never to a human being capable of rational thought.

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“What if a cure for cancer is in the mind of a teenage girl who had to drop out of school b/c she couldn’t get an Abortion?”

And what if the UK was able to get Iran to stop supplying the Houthis and Hezbollah, simply by sending Salmon Rushdie back to Iran to hanged from a crane?

I ask this because if you believe that an unborn child is a person, as many people do (I don’t take a position on the point), then they would see the question you asked as being the same as the one I posed.

Note: My question was rhetorical, and was not seriously asked.

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The Vicious Babushka  Oct 2, 2015 • 6:29:14am
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Higgs Boson's Mate  Oct 2, 2015 • 6:29:25am

re: #128 I Stand With Planned Parenthood

The Massively Terrible Plan to Give Israel the Massive Ordnance Penetrator

(paywall)

I don’t even want to know.

Do they know that Israel’s AF doesn’t operate any aircraft capable of delivering that weapon?

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Targetpractice  Oct 2, 2015 • 6:30:11am

re: #128 I Stand With Planned Parenthood

The Massively Terrible Plan to Give Israel the Massive Ordnance Penetrator

(paywall)

I don’t even want to know.

It’s an absolute joke of an idea. Why? Simple: Israel lacks the aircraft to make use of it. Unless we’re seriously considering selling strategic bombers to them, it’s a waste of time and money to provide them with the MOP.

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Dark_Falcon  Oct 2, 2015 • 6:30:58am

re: #128 I Stand With Planned Parenthood

The Massively Terrible Plan to Give Israel the Massive Ordnance Penetrator

(paywall)

I don’t even want to know.

It’s just DERPing. Even if Donald Trump were elected president it would not happen. The MOP bomb can only be dropped by heavy bomber and the only nation other than the US that currently has bombers that could carry it is Russia. And given its status as a regional power, Israel doesn’t need or want such aircraft.

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Timothy Watson  Oct 2, 2015 • 6:32:22am

re: #136 Higgs Boson’s Mate

This is another clear

Do they know that Israel’s AF doesn’t operate any aircraft capable of delivering that weapon?

We’ll lease them a couple of B-2s.

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I Stand With Planned Parenthood  Oct 2, 2015 • 6:34:44am

Paul Davis files lawsuit against Kris Kobach over purging of suspended voters list

TOPEKA
Paul Davis filed a lawsuit in federal court Wednesday against Kansas Secretary of State Kris Kobach over a new rule that will remove names from the suspended voters list.

Davis, a Lawrence attorney who ran an unsuccessful campaign for governor in 2014, said federal law prohibits Kobach from “purging voters.”

The state enacted a requirement that beginning in 2013, prospective voters must provide proof of citizenship, such as a passport or birth certificate, when they register to vote - a policy Kobach championed.

Since the law went into effect, nearly 37,000 voters have been left in suspended registration status. For perspective, Davis lost to Gov. Sam Brownback in the last election by fewer than 33,000 votes. Davis said he didn’t think proof of citizenship affected the outcome of the election.

Kobach has moved forward with a new rule, set to take effect on Friday, that would remove a person’s name from the list if he or she failed to show proof of citizenship after 90 days. Kobach has said the policy will save county election offices money, but his critics accuse him of trying to purge the list.

Davis and Will Lawrence, an attorney who worked on his campaign, are representing Alder Cromwell, 18, and Cody Keener, 21, two Douglas County residents on the suspended voter list. They assert that the National Voter Registration Act and the 14th Amendment’s guarantee of due process preclude Kobach from removing their names from the list. The suit also seeks to throw out the proof of citizenship requirement entirely.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 2, 2015 • 6:35:38am

re: #140 I Stand With Planned Parenthood

Paul Davis files lawsuit against Kris Kobach over purging of suspended voters list

Kobach is such a douche. I really hope this succeeds.

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I Stand With Planned Parenthood  Oct 2, 2015 • 6:35:43am

re: #134 Dark_Falcon

“What if a cure for cancer is in the mind of a teenage girl who had to drop out of school b/c she couldn’t get an Abortion?”

And what if the UK was able to get Iran to stop supplying the Houthis and Hezbollah, simply by sending Salmon Rushdie back to Iran to hanged from a crane?

I ask this because if you believe that an unborn child is a person, as many people do (I don’t take a position on the point), then they would see the question you asked as being the same as the one I posed.

Note: My question was rhetorical, and was not seriously asked.

IMHO, the question isn’t -is the fetus human. The question is: is the woman human?

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Bubblehead II  Oct 2, 2015 • 6:36:41am

re: #137 Targetpractice

It’s an absolute joke of an idea. Why? Simple: Israel lacks the aircraft to make use of it. Unless we’re seriously considering selling strategic bombers to them, it’s a waste of time and money to provide them with the MOP.

The sale or transfer of strategic bombers to a third party is also a violation of the latest START treaty we signed with Russia.

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Targetpractice  Oct 2, 2015 • 6:38:05am

re: #143 Bubblehead II

The sale or transfer of strategic bombers to a third party is also a violation of the latest START treaty we signed with Russia.

I think it’s become clear by this point that the GOP are trying to revive that Cold War. If that means ripping up strategic arms treaties, so be it.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 2, 2015 • 6:38:39am

re: #132 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

My paternal grandfather’s mother died at age 24, several months after he was born. Intestinal infection was the listed cause, but it may have been a complication of the birthing process. My mom’s mom also died a year after giving birth, but from pulmonary disease. She was a garment worker in NYC.

My great-grandfather remarried in 1860. They had eight children, but only four survived to adulthood. This was a middle class family with access to decent (for the time) medical care.

Damn. From what I know none of the distant grandmothers I’ve researched died of complications related to child birth. I know what you mean about children though. My great grandmother came from a family of eight and only her and her two younger brothers survived childhood. And sadly she herself only lived to be 45. My grandmother was only ten when it happened.

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I Stand With Planned Parenthood  Oct 2, 2015 • 6:39:08am
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I Stand With Planned Parenthood  Oct 2, 2015 • 6:39:53am

re: #146 HappyWarrior

Damn. From what I know none of the distant grandmothers I’ve researched died of complications related to child birth. I know what you mean about children though. My great grandmother came from a family of eight and only her and her two younger brothers survived childhood. And sadly she herself only lived to be 45. My grandmother was only ten when it happened.

If a woman died of an illegal abortion that was not listed on the death certificate. Unless the family kept records there is no way to know.

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I Stand With Planned Parenthood  Oct 2, 2015 • 6:40:36am

re: #145 Targetpractice

I think it’s become clear by this point that the GOP are trying to revive that Cold War. If that means ripping up strategic arms treaties, so be it.

They cannot fathom a world of “we”. They must have an “other” to fight.

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Bubblehead II  Oct 2, 2015 • 6:41:02am

re: #145 Targetpractice

I think it’s become clear by this point that the GOP are trying to revive that Cold War. If that means ripping up strategic arms treaties, so be it.

The article also pointed out that Israel also doesn’t have the infrastructure (and no desire to build it) to support a squadron of B-52s

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HappyWarrior  Oct 2, 2015 • 6:41:26am

re: #142 I Stand With Planned Parenthood

IMHO, the question isn’t -is the fetus human. The question is: is the woman human?

What my one grandmother, devout Catholic and all was always bothered about were the pro-lifers who opposed abortion in the case of the mother’s health. Her thought was “Well what about her other children?” My thoughts on abortion are pretty simple. I am a man. I have no idea what you and other women experience while pregnant and it’s never my pregnancy to say anything in the first place. What we need to do is work on the conditions that lead to women choosing to get abortions in the first place and the fanatics as I know you are fully aware oppose easy access to contraceptives and oppose honest talk about sex and sexuality especially for women.

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I Stand With Planned Parenthood  Oct 2, 2015 • 6:41:34am
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The Vicious Babushka  Oct 2, 2015 • 6:41:39am

re: #148 I Stand With Planned Parenthood

If a woman died of an illegal abortion that was not listed on the death certificate. Unless the family kept records there is no way to know.

IIRC someone here posted a photo of their Great-great-aunt’s death certificate from the 1890’s which listed “abortion” as COD.

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I Stand With Planned Parenthood  Oct 2, 2015 • 6:42:06am
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Shiplord Kirel  Oct 2, 2015 • 6:42:59am

Not seeing any indication of a run on ammunition or guns today. Maybe the ammosexuals have finally noticed that predictions of a mass seizure in the aftermath of a mass shooting have failed, oh, about 30 times in a row.

I’ve long noticed that gun nut conservatives are strikingly oblivious to just how peculiar our gun situation is compared to the rest of the advanced world. Even countries with relatively permissive gun laws, like the Czech Republic and Sweden, are many times as restrictive as we are. It is not that the ammosexuals reject foreign example out of hand either. They are quite willing to cite completely erroneous claims about, say, Switzerland and Israel when they imagine it supports their own position. I think in a lot of cases they are just not aware of what the situation is elsewhere.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 2, 2015 • 6:44:23am

re: #148 I Stand With Planned Parenthood

If a woman died of an illegal abortion that was not listed on the death certificate. Unless the family kept records there is no way to know.

Oh I know. Most of my distant grandmothers I’ve researched though were past pregnancy age when they died though. Funny enough, my direct ancestors are filled with people who are the yougnest child in their family which is why even though I;m 28, I had two grandparents born before WWI.

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I Stand With Planned Parenthood  Oct 2, 2015 • 6:45:04am
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I Stand With Planned Parenthood  Oct 2, 2015 • 6:45:45am

re: #155 Shiplord Kirel

Not seeing any indication of a run on ammunition or guns today. Maybe the ammosexuals have finally noticed that predictions of a mass seizure in the aftermath of a mass shooting have failed, oh, about 30 times in a row.

I’ve long noticed that gun nut conservatives are strikingly oblivious to just how peculiar our gun situation is compared to the rest of the advanced world. Even countries with relatively permissive gun laws, like the Czech Republic and Sweden, are many times as restrictive as we are. It is not that the ammosexuals reject foreign example out of hand either. They are quite willing to cite completely erroneous claims about, say, Switzerland and Israel when they imagine it supports their own position. I think in a lot of cases they are just not aware of what the situation is elsewhere.

They are all stocked-up since the false scarcity concerns of a couple of years ago —

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Higgs Boson's Mate  Oct 2, 2015 • 6:46:04am

re: #149 I Stand With Planned Parenthood

They cannot fathom a world of “we”. They must have an “other” to fight.

Being fully occupied with combating a made-up existential threat enables pols to kick any number of cans down the road.

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I Stand With Planned Parenthood  Oct 2, 2015 • 6:46:15am

re: #153 The Vicious Babushka

IIRC someone here posted a photo of their Great-great-aunt’s death certificate from the 1890’s which listed “abortion” as COD.

WOW —I wonder which State?

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Oct 2, 2015 • 6:46:48am

re: #156 HappyWarrior

Oh I know. Most of my distant grandmothers I’ve researched though were past pregnancy age when they died though. Funny enough, my direct ancestors are filled with people who are the yougnest child in their family which is why even though I;m 28, I had two grandparents born before WWI.

Heh. I was born almost 100 years after my paternal grandfather was. My maternal gf was only 20-some years younger than my other gf.

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I Stand With Planned Parenthood  Oct 2, 2015 • 6:48:55am

two of my ancestors died by horse hoof.

records showed “kicked by a horse”.

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Higgs Boson's Mate  Oct 2, 2015 • 6:51:34am

re: #162 I Stand With Planned Parenthood

two of my ancestors died by horse hoof.

records showed “kicked by a horse”.

Hoof hearted?

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HappyWarrior  Oct 2, 2015 • 6:51:39am

re: #161 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

Heh. I was born almost 100 years after my paternal grandfather was. My maternal gf was only 20-some years younger than my other gf.

The ranges fascinate me honestly. But honestly something that has really shocked me is seeing my one great grandfather being an only child. Just seems unheard of in the 1870’s and among an Irish-Catholic family too.

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I Stand With Planned Parenthood  Oct 2, 2015 • 6:53:10am
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The Vicious Babushka  Oct 2, 2015 • 6:53:19am

re: #164 HappyWarrior

The ranges fascinate me honestly. But honestly something that has really shocked me is seeing my one great grandfather being an only child. Just seems unheard of in the 1870’s and among an Irish-Catholic family too.

Maybe all his siblings died?

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HappyWarrior  Oct 2, 2015 • 6:53:20am

re: #162 I Stand With Planned Parenthood

two of my ancestors died by horse hoof.

records showed “kicked by a horse”.

I had one who was murdered no joke.

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I Stand With Planned Parenthood  Oct 2, 2015 • 6:54:24am

milk poisoning was a common cause of illness.

Consumption, childhood fever …

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I Stand With Planned Parenthood  Oct 2, 2015 • 6:55:21am
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Higgs Boson's Mate  Oct 2, 2015 • 6:56:37am

re: #167 HappyWarrior

I had one who was murdered no joke.

My grandfather on my mom’s side was killed by bootleggers.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 2, 2015 • 6:56:41am

re: #166 The Vicious Babushka

Maybe all his siblings died?

A very good possibility. Probably miscarriages though since my grandmother never mentioned her father talking about any siblings he had. But both parents were relatively older when they married. I am thinking he (GG grandfather) was a Civil War vet or she GG grandmother) was a widow but unfortunately she’s proven among the most difficult people for me to research in my tree. I’ve only found records of her after 1870.

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I Stand With Planned Parenthood  Oct 2, 2015 • 6:56:51am

Send Congress Your Uterus!!!!! $3.50 postcard

OMG, I love this —please share

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HappyWarrior  Oct 2, 2015 • 6:57:36am

re: #168 I Stand With Planned Parenthood

milk poisoning was a common cause of illness.

Consumption, childhood fever …

I think spinal meningitis was common. Found out that my great aunt died that way. Really sad honestly. It happened when my grandfather was an infant and during Christmas time.

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Targetpractice  Oct 2, 2015 • 6:57:49am
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Dark_Falcon  Oct 2, 2015 • 6:59:19am

re: #165 I Stand With Planned Parenthood

Seriously, how loopy do you have to be to link self-defense law to a mass shooting? You can criticize Stand Your Ground for causing bad self-defense responses, but to link it to a mass shooting is flat out wrong and nutty.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 2, 2015 • 6:59:27am

re: #171 Higgs Boson’s Mate

My grandfather on my mom’s side was killed by bootleggers.

Yikes. This one is still unsolved. They found his body in the Ohio or Allegheny river though.

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I Stand With Planned Parenthood  Oct 2, 2015 • 6:59:36am
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sagehen  Oct 2, 2015 • 6:59:42am

re: #148 I Stand With Planned Parenthood

If a woman died of an illegal abortion that was not listed on the death certificate. Unless the family kept records there is no way to know.

I read something a couple years ago that I didn’t bookmark, maybe someone here has the google-fu to find it.

A Pennsylvania doctor, retired, bored, time on his hands, tried to research pre-Roe abortion deaths. He looked at all the death certificates for 1963-1973 of his state, found very few listed abortion (of course). But the birth rate hadn’t changed pre- and post-Roe. Not at all. So he pulled up death certificates of women of reproductive age, counted how many listed hemmorhage, or unspecified infection, as the cause of death. That number dropped *drastically* post-Roe. He ended up deciding the abortion rate hadn’t changed at all, it just got safer.

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Dr. Matt  Oct 2, 2015 • 7:00:35am

re: #175 Targetpractice

Oh, another Dylann Roof, eh?

I said the exact thing yesterday when the news reported that he targeted Christians.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 2, 2015 • 7:01:43am

re: #179 sagehen

I read something a couple years ago that I didn’t bookmark, maybe someone here has the google-fu to find it.

A Pennsylvania doctor, retired, bored, time on his hands, tried to research pre-Roe abortion deaths. He looked at all the death certificates for 1963-1973 of his state, found very few listed abortion (of course). But the birth rate hadn’t changed pre- and post-Roe. Not at all. So he pulled up death certificates of women of reproductive age, counted how many listed hemmorhage, or unspecified infection, as the cause of death. That number dropped *drastically* post-Roe. He ended up deciding the abortion rate hadn’t changed at all, it just got safer.

Pennsylvania’s death records from 1906-63 are available to the public now. I’ve been using them(my family’s all from PA originally). Not surprised that the rate hasn’t changed. Abortion needs to be legal and safe as possible.

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Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Oct 2, 2015 • 7:01:47am

re: #170 Dr. Matt

Details emerge about Oregon killer — a self-described conservative who loved guns and conspiracy theories

Although I’m also seeing headlines about the shooter’s supposed opposition to “organized religion” and that he also supposedly asked his targets whether they were Christians.

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Dr. Matt  Oct 2, 2015 • 7:02:53am

re: #182 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse

Although I’m also seeing headlines about the shooter’s supposed opposition to “organized religion” and that he also supposedly asked his targets whether they were Christians.

Many libertarian dudebros are anti-religious or non-religious.

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Belafon  Oct 2, 2015 • 7:03:15am

re: #179 sagehen

That would be an awesome find.

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Belafon  Oct 2, 2015 • 7:04:38am

re: #182 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse

It’s strange though, the answer to whatever his motivation is “it should have been a lot harder for him to get a gun and to have it in that setting.”

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HappyWarrior  Oct 2, 2015 • 7:05:19am

People as a whole do live longer now which is another reason to be grateful to modernity and its advances. What I find interesting is to look how people a certain age looked in a previous generation and how they look now.

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Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Oct 2, 2015 • 7:06:32am

re: #170 Dr. Matt

the alleged killer describes himself politically as a “conservative, republican” whose hobbies are “internet, killing zombies, movies, music, reading” and who lives with parents….His preferred religious views are “Pagan, Wiccan, Not Religious, but Spiritual” as well.

Not your everyday combination.

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Higgs Boson's Mate  Oct 2, 2015 • 7:07:19am

re: #186 HappyWarrior

People as a whole do live longer now which is another reason to be grateful to modernity and its advances. What I find interesting is to look how people a certain age looked in a previous generation and how they look now.

I’d still look like twenty miles of bad road no matter what time period I was in.

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The Vicious Babushka  Oct 2, 2015 • 7:09:32am

Leave it to Pamela to find a Muslim connection in there somehow==>

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Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Oct 2, 2015 • 7:10:10am

re: #186 HappyWarrior

People as a whole do live longer now which is another reason to be grateful to modernity and its advances. What I find interesting is to look how people a certain age looked in a previous generation and how they look now.

All true, which in some ways makes those who centuries ago still lived long lives (John Adams, Jefferson, Andrew Jackson—who had one or more bullets in his body for decades).

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Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Oct 2, 2015 • 7:10:37am

re: #189 The Vicious Babushka

Leave it to Pamela to find a Muslim connection in there somehow==>

“Hey I’m just asking questions”

/

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Oct 2, 2015 • 7:10:49am

re: #189 The Vicious Babushka

Leave it to Pamela to find a Muslim connection in there somehow==>

Pammie got that from UpChuck’s blog, I’m sure.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 2, 2015 • 7:11:50am

re: #190 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse

All true, which in some ways makes those who centuries ago still lived long lives (John Adams, Jefferson, Andrew Jackson—who had one or more bullets in his body for decades).

Yeah or the longest time Adams and Hoover were the only presidents to live to be 90 until Ronnie turned 90 in 2001.

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Dave In Austin  Oct 2, 2015 • 7:12:36am
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Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Oct 2, 2015 • 7:12:39am

re: #183 Dr. Matt

Many libertarian dudebros are anti-religious or non-religious.

Expect the usual suspects though to add this to their list of how American Christians are Persecuted in the Age of Obama.

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The Vicious Babushka  Oct 2, 2015 • 7:13:19am

Ben is still drunk from last night==>

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HappyWarrior  Oct 2, 2015 • 7:13:29am

There’s a lot of “Libertarians” that are nothing more than paleo-cons.

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I Stand With Planned Parenthood  Oct 2, 2015 • 7:14:01am

everyhead needs one.
cafepress.com

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HappyWarrior  Oct 2, 2015 • 7:14:13am

re: #196 The Vicious Babushka

Ben is still drunk from last night==>

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Schools already have a lot of security as is. Most schools have at least one officer.

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The Vicious Babushka  Oct 2, 2015 • 7:14:27am
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HappyWarrior  Oct 2, 2015 • 7:14:51am

re: #200 The Vicious Babushka

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No, we don’t asshole. We really don’t. We need less guns everywhere.

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Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Oct 2, 2015 • 7:14:52am

re: #193 HappyWarrior

Yeah or the longest time Adams and Hoover were the only presidents to live to be 90 until Ronnie turned 90 in 2001.

Hmmm, interesting.

Hoover did last quite a while, lived into the 1960’s I believe. Truman did pretty well I think, although probably only into his 80’s. His widow lived till near 90.

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I Stand With Planned Parenthood  Oct 2, 2015 • 7:14:59am

re: #186 HappyWarrior

People as a whole do live longer now which is another reason to be grateful to modernity and its advances. What I find interesting is to look how people a certain age looked in a previous generation and how they look now.

even people in other countries. The “mothers” interviewed during the Iraq War looked like grandmothers.

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Higgs Boson's Mate  Oct 2, 2015 • 7:15:20am

re: #196 The Vicious Babushka

Ben is still drunk from last night==>

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“Damn it! It’s your responsibility to protect yourselves from us.”

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HappyWarrior  Oct 2, 2015 • 7:15:38am

re: #203 I Stand With Planned Parenthood

even people in other countries. The “mothers” interviewed during the Iraq War looked like grandmothers.

You’re right. More western society.

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Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Oct 2, 2015 • 7:15:55am

re: #196 The Vicious Babushka

Ben is still drunk from last night==>

Yes, Ben, the secret plan is to confiscate everyone’s guns.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Oct 2, 2015 • 7:16:05am

re: #196 The Vicious Babushka

No one said anything about confiscating guns from anyone. Ben’s creating a strawman.

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I Stand With Planned Parenthood  Oct 2, 2015 • 7:16:11am

re: #190 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse

All true, which in some ways makes those who centuries ago still lived long lives (John Adams, Jefferson, Andrew Jackson—who had one or more bullets in his body for decades).

Much of it had to do with affluence. Wealthy people lived, poor people didn’t.

Not only access to medical care and better food/housing etc. Wealthy people could buy-out of their soldiering responsibilities.

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Targetpractice  Oct 2, 2015 • 7:16:13am

re: #196 The Vicious Babushka

Ben is still drunk from last night==>

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False argument, nobody in the gun control crowd is seriously arguing for confiscation. But there are plenty of ammosexuals who are arguing that it should be easier to lock up “crazies” based upon nothing more than suspicion of mental illness.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 2, 2015 • 7:16:13am

re: #202 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse

Hmmm, interesting.

Hoover did last quite a while, lived into the 1960’s I believe. Truman did pretty well I think, although probably only into his 80’s. His widow lived till near 90.

Bess lived to be 97 IIRC. But yeah Hoover died not long after Goldwater was nominated IIRC.

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Belafon  Oct 2, 2015 • 7:16:42am

re: #196 The Vicious Babushka

Hey Ben, what about the grocery stores, the restaurants, the churches, the movie theaters? What about the guy sitting behind your wife who pulls out a gun and shoots her because she was sitting in front of him? Is that a sacrifice you’re willing to make?

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I Stand With Planned Parenthood  Oct 2, 2015 • 7:16:52am

re: #196 The Vicious Babushka

Ben is still drunk from last night==>

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BECAUSE OUR KIDS AREN’T GOING TO SCHOOL, NOT PRISON

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Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Oct 2, 2015 • 7:17:42am

re: #189 The Vicious Babushka

Here is the Oregon Shooter’s Profile:

Look here we haz the Oregon Shooter’s true profile and it haz Muslim name in their somewhere.

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Targetpractice  Oct 2, 2015 • 7:17:54am

re: #204 Higgs Boson’s Mate

“Damn it! It’s your responsibility to protect yourselves from us.”

Conservatives in this country seem to boil every political argument down to blaming the victim.

Abortion? “It’s their fault for being sluts!”

Same-sex marriage? “It’s their fault for not staying the closet!”

Gun violence? “It’s their fault for not being armed!”

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I Stand With Planned Parenthood  Oct 2, 2015 • 7:18:38am
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Belafon  Oct 2, 2015 • 7:18:49am

re: #213 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse

Look here we haz the Oregon Shooter’s true profile and it haz Muslim name in their somewhere.

His name is obviously an anagram.

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A Mom Anon  Oct 2, 2015 • 7:19:05am

re: #89 The Vicious Babushka

OK, there’s Eric Rudolph, Paul Hill, Scott Roeder, Michael Griffin, Peter James White, John Salvi, James Kopp and these are just the assholes who shot and killed clinic doctors and staff in the name of Jesus. There’s more, people who planted bombs, held clinic workers hostage, and on and on. These “Christians” are acting on what they believe to be the word of God, and what they do is justified by their religion. It’s terrorism, but we can’t call it that, oh no, that’s offensive and part of the War on Christians. A simple websearch brings up more names than I care to count. Some use religion as an excuse, some don’t. The Columbine shooters weren’t motivated by religion, but they still had easy access to firearms. Which is the fucking problem, full stop. Guns are not cars or knives, they are specifically designed to kill, cars and knives have other useful purposes. It’s absolutely stupid not to have the same damned requirements in place for guns as we do for cars.

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The Vicious Babushka  Oct 2, 2015 • 7:19:35am

You know who is exploiting this tragedy Erick? GUN FUCKERS LIKE YOU.

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Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Oct 2, 2015 • 7:19:46am

re: #210 HappyWarrior

Bess lived to be 97 IIRC. But yeah Hoover died not long after Goldwater was nominated IIRC.

She outlived Harry by about a decade.

I visited the Truman Home in 1998 on my way to Washington after grad school. In the kitchen they keep the calendar from 1982 when Bess died. The Truman Library there is pretty cool, too. Glad they have those for presidents now.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 2, 2015 • 7:20:08am

re: #218 The Vicious Babushka

You know who is exploiting this tragedy Erick? GUN FUCKERS LIKE YOU.

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Exploit, you use that word, I do not think you know what it means chodeface.

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Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Oct 2, 2015 • 7:20:51am

re: #218 The Vicious Babushka

“…the President [is] okay with students being fish in a barrel for gunmen in order to exploit the tragedy…”

LOLwhut?

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HappyWarrior  Oct 2, 2015 • 7:20:57am

re: #219 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse

She outlived Harry by about a decade.

I visited the Truman Home in 1998 on my way to Washington after grad school. In the kitchen they keep the calendar from 1982 when Bess died. The Truman Library there is pretty cool, too. Glad they have those for presidents now.

I’ve never been to an official presidential library. I don’t really live too close to any. I guess Monticello and Mount Vernon technically count in a way.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 2, 2015 • 7:21:22am

re: #221 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse

LOLwhut?

He’s drunk on ODS.

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The Vicious Babushka  Oct 2, 2015 • 7:21:40am

re: #220 HappyWarrior

Exploit, you use that word, I do not think you know what it means chodeface.

“chodeface” I’ll have to remember that one.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 2, 2015 • 7:22:19am

re: #224 The Vicious Babushka

“chodeface” I’ll have to remember that one.

By all means use it.

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I Stand With Planned Parenthood  Oct 2, 2015 • 7:22:21am
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Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Oct 2, 2015 • 7:22:29am

re: #222 HappyWarrior

I’ve never been to an official presidential library. I don’t really live too close to any. I guess Monticello and Mount Vernon technically count in a way.

Yeah I would count those. Madison and Monroe’s homes are right there, too. Montpelier is a great location.

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The Vicious Babushka  Oct 2, 2015 • 7:22:41am

SMOTI

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Oct 2, 2015 • 7:22:57am

re: #218 The Vicious Babushka

Another logical fallacy. We can’t make schools into armed camps (aka prisons) to protect them. It’s too expensive and dangerous. It’s far easier, and most cost efficient, to nip the problem in the bud — stiffer gun control laws.

Y’know, an ounce of prevention and all that.

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Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Oct 2, 2015 • 7:23:10am

re: #228 The Vicious Babushka

SMOTI

Confirmed. FACT.

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The Vicious Babushka  Oct 2, 2015 • 7:23:21am

I’m still expecting Dim Jim to claim that Mercer “voted for Obama”

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I Stand With Planned Parenthood  Oct 2, 2015 • 7:23:28am
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Timothy Watson  Oct 2, 2015 • 7:23:29am

re: #196 The Vicious Babushka

100 million gun owners. 130K schools. Far easier to police 130K than to confiscate guns from 100M.

Because there’s only one person in each of those 130,000 schools.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 2, 2015 • 7:23:38am

re: #228 The Vicious Babushka

SMOTI

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oops seeing he had said he was.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Oct 2, 2015 • 7:24:12am

re: #228 The Vicious Babushka

Ignore his very own words.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 2, 2015 • 7:24:58am

re: #227 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse

Yeah I would count those. Madison and Monroe’s homes are right there, too. Montpelier is a great location.

Yeah haven’t been to either of those yet. They’re both closer to Monticello. Tyler’s home is closer to Richmond IIRC and I think if there is a Wilson library, it’s in Stautnon or Princeton. I did visit his home in D.C where he retired and later died though.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 2, 2015 • 7:25:52am

My bad guys, thought he had ust expressed conservative views.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Oct 2, 2015 • 7:26:47am

re: #234 HappyWarrior

No one said he was a “conservative Republican” idiot. Just that he had definitely right wing views that you certainly share halfwit.

So, I guess he lied to catch some hot Republican chick
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Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Oct 2, 2015 • 7:27:43am

re: #236 HappyWarrior

Yeah haven’t been to either of those yet. They’re both closer to Monticello. Tyler’s home is closer to Richmond IIRC and I think if there is a Wilson library, it’s in Stautnon or Princeton. I did visit his home in D.C where he retired and later died though.

Yeah don’t know if there is an actual Woodrow Wilson library. His birthplace is marked in Staunton, not sure if the original house exists. Used to have friends in Staunton many years ago so I’m familiar with the town, but not been to the WW site.

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I Stand With Planned Parenthood  Oct 2, 2015 • 7:27:45am
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Aunty Entity Dragon  Oct 2, 2015 • 7:27:49am
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HappyWarrior  Oct 2, 2015 • 7:28:09am

re: #238 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

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Yeah my bad. Mixed race though? Photo is blurry. par Asian?

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Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Oct 2, 2015 • 7:28:51am

re: #237 HappyWarrior

My bad guys, thought he had ust expressed conservative views.

False Flag!!1

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I Stand With Planned Parenthood  Oct 2, 2015 • 7:29:02am

re: #239 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse

Yeah don’t know if there is an actual Woodrow Wilson library. His birthplace is marked in Staunton, not sure if the original house exists. Used to have friends in Staunton many years ago so I’m familiar with the town, but not been to the WW site.

here

The only POTUS with an earned Phd.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 2, 2015 • 7:29:06am

re: #239 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse

Yeah don’t know if there is an actual Woodrow Wilson library. His birthplace is marked in Staunton, not sure if the original house exists. Used to have friends in Staunton many years ago so I’m familiar with the town, but not been to the WW site.

I think there is a museum there. I’ve only been to the Stautnon area a couple times.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Oct 2, 2015 • 7:29:55am

re: #242 HappyWarrior

Yeah my bad. Mixed race though? Photo is blurry. par Asian?

hard to say, and largely irrelevant

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Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Oct 2, 2015 • 7:30:36am

re: #238 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

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Yeah, assuming this is the same guy.

Has it been determined how he got the gun, whether it was legal or not?

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HappyWarrior  Oct 2, 2015 • 7:30:41am

re: #246 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

hard to say, and largely irrelevant

Oh of course. NOt saying ti is.

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Aunty Entity Dragon  Oct 2, 2015 • 7:31:04am

re: #238 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

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Apparently, he described himself as a conservative Republican in social media.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Oct 2, 2015 • 7:31:25am

re: #247 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse

Yeah, assuming this is the same guy.

Has it been determined how he got the gun, whether it was legal or not?

Not yet. Police recovered three handguns and one rifle from the scene.

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Franklin  Oct 2, 2015 • 7:32:09am

re: #228 The Vicious Babushka

SMOTI

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Hmmmm. I am a registered independent too (unenrolled actually). What is his point?

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The Vicious Babushka  Oct 2, 2015 • 7:33:04am

This site is firewalled, what bullshit is Dana spewing?

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HappyWarrior  Oct 2, 2015 • 7:33:27am

re: #251 Franklin

Hmmmm. I am a registered independent too (unenrolled actually). What is his point?

Hell everyone here technically is since we don’t have formal party registration.

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Belafon  Oct 2, 2015 • 7:33:48am

Another interesting thing about cars that we don’t do to guns. Ownership of the car does not change unless you tell the government. If you sell the car, and something happens while it’s under your name, you can be liable.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 2, 2015 • 7:34:45am

re: #254 Belafon

Another interesting thing about cars that we don’t do to guns. Ownership of the car does not change unless you tell the government. If you sell the car, and something happens while it’s under your name, you can be liable.

Yes we regulate cars more than we do guns.

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Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Oct 2, 2015 • 7:34:51am

re: #253 HappyWarrior

Hell everyone here technically is since we don’t have formal party registration.

So anyone can vote in a party primary in VA?

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Belafon  Oct 2, 2015 • 7:35:14am

re: #252 The Vicious Babushka

This site is firewalled, what bullshit is Dana spewing?

Can’t tell. She’s probably saying that we should talk about his party affiliation rather than his easy access to guns made it easier for him to kill.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Oct 2, 2015 • 7:35:18am

re: #252 The Vicious Babushka

Nutjobs trying to distance themselves from one of their fellow travelers.

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makeitstop  Oct 2, 2015 • 7:35:35am

re: #207 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

No one said anything about confiscating guns from anyone. Ben’s creating a strawman.

I commented on a friend’s Facebook post yesterday that I’d like to see sensible regulations placed on gun purchases (much like Pawn of the Oppressor’s post last night, but in less detail) - stringent licensing, mandatory insurance and training - and I immediately got a reply from someone I don’t even know, excoriating me for wanting to ‘ban’ all guns.

This guy then trotted out the ‘cars and drunk drivers’ talking point, and I asked when was the last time someone drove a car through a high school, mowing people down - nd also pointed out that cars had a primary purpose besides killing people. I asked what another purpose for a gun was, besides killing things.

He answered - hunting, target practice, and home protection.

I pointed out that the end result of hunting was killing something. That the end result of target practice was practicing to kill something. And that the end result of home protection would logically be…shooting someone, maybe fatally.

He responded that he was shaking his head at my ‘lunacy,’ and that since I didn’t partake in hunting, target practice or home protection I wanted to make them illegal.

I challenged him to revisit all of my posts in the thread and show me where I even suggested banning guns or making hunting illegal. He bailed and never responded.

And that is the biggest problem we face. Some of these motherfuckers have been so conditioned - brainwashed - that they read a suggestion for sensible regulation and their brains interpret those words as ‘gun ban.’

It’s fucked up. How do you reason with anyone like that? Is it even possible?

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Higgs Boson's Mate  Oct 2, 2015 • 7:35:41am

Am I understanding this correctly? The shooter described himself as conservative and Republican but he’s not because conservative Republicans say so?

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HappyWarrior  Oct 2, 2015 • 7:35:51am

re: #256 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse

So anyone can vote in a party primary in VA?

Correct. However, the state R’s often do conventions so the activists in the base can have a big role in deciding the nominee. It was that reason why Lt Governor Bolling did not run against Cuccinelli.

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I Stand With Planned Parenthood  Oct 2, 2015 • 7:36:01am
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Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Oct 2, 2015 • 7:36:15am

re: #261 HappyWarrior

Correct. However, the state R’s often do conventions so the activists in the base can have a big role in deciding the nominee. It was that reason why Lt Governor Bolling did not run against Cuccinelli.

Right, I remember now.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 2, 2015 • 7:36:52am

re: #263 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse

Right, I remember now.

I’ve never voted in a R primary FWIW but I absolutely could if I wanted to but I then couldn’t vote in the Dem primary.

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Aunty Entity Dragon  Oct 2, 2015 • 7:37:49am

re: #252 The Vicious Babushka

This site is firewalled, what bullshit is Dana spewing?

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They are desperately trying to NotrueScotsman the shooter out of the party.

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Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Oct 2, 2015 • 7:37:55am

re: #264 HappyWarrior

I’ve never voted in a R primary FWIW but I absolutely could if I wanted to but I then couldn’t vote in the Dem primary.

In the same year you mean?

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HappyWarrior  Oct 2, 2015 • 7:38:30am

re: #266 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse

In the same year you mean?

Yeah. Sorry should have explained.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Oct 2, 2015 • 7:38:36am

re: #260 Higgs Boson’s Mate

Am I understanding this correctly? The shooter described himself as conservative and Republican but he’s not because conservative Republicans say so?

He has no party affiliation!!! Obviously, he’s a librul, because all conservatives are registered Republicans!!

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HappyWarrior  Oct 2, 2015 • 7:39:04am

The R conventions are how the party has gone here from having guys like John Warner and Tom Davis have prominent roles to Ken Cuccinelli and E.W Jackson.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 2, 2015 • 7:39:34am

re: #268 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

He has no party affiliation!!! Obviously, he’s a librul, because all conservatives are registered Republicans!!

Except for me when I Want to distant myself from the REpublicans and tell people I am an independent!

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The Vicious Babushka  Oct 2, 2015 • 7:40:52am

The actual results, Steven? There have been no mass shootings in Australia. QED.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 2, 2015 • 7:42:10am

re: #271 The Vicious Babushka

The actual results, Steven? There have been no mass shootings in Australia. QED.

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Well Australia has more shark attacks than we do because we protect ourselves against sharks libtard. //

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Higgs Boson's Mate  Oct 2, 2015 • 7:43:35am

re: #268 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

He has no party affiliation!!! Obviously, he’s a librul, because all conservatives are registered Republicans!!

The old “everybody knows” trick, eh?

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I Stand With Planned Parenthood  Oct 2, 2015 • 7:43:38am
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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Oct 2, 2015 • 7:44:46am

re: #274 I Stand With Planned Parenthood

Utah Republican Introduces Koch Legislation To Begin Eliminating National Parks

TR is spinning in his grave.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 2, 2015 • 7:45:27am
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The Vicious Babushka  Oct 2, 2015 • 7:47:24am

re: #274 I Stand With Planned Parenthood

Utah Republican Introduces Koch Legislation To Begin Eliminating National Parks

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I Stand With Planned Parenthood  Oct 2, 2015 • 7:47:25am

Off to be productive

(get coffee)

have a great friday all!

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HappyWarrior  Oct 2, 2015 • 7:48:34am

I can’t help but to think of that old Simpsons episode where Springfield’s Congressman is seeing taking a bribe for rights to drill oil at Mount Rushmore.

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Belafon  Oct 2, 2015 • 7:54:32am

re: #277 The Vicious Babushka

Yep, imagine all the additional earthquakes that happen in Oklahoma because of fracking happen in Yellowstone. The side benefit is we wouldn’t be worried about global warming any more.

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Targetpractice  Oct 2, 2015 • 7:55:40am

re: #274 I Stand With Planned Parenthood

Utah Republican Introduces Koch Legislation To Begin Eliminating National Parks

Because really, who could see anything wrong with increasing the value of Grand Canyon National Park by setting up tours of the new uranium mine?

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GlutenFreeJesus  Oct 2, 2015 • 7:58:20am

re: #49 I Stand With Planned Parenthood

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Right down the street from me. Good. It’s a shit town.

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Dr. Matt  Oct 2, 2015 • 8:06:21am

In right-wing world, a self-described conservative republican terrorist is not *actually* a conservative republican. Please proceed, wingnuts.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Oct 2, 2015 • 8:07:20am

The madness starts today.

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Oct 2, 2015 • 8:07:37am

re: #283 Dr. Matt

In right-wing world, a self-described conservative republican terrorist is not *actually* a conservative republican. Please proceed, wingnuts.

Because he cannot be. Therefore he isn’t. Just like Obama cannot be anything other than a Moslem.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 2, 2015 • 8:08:19am

A shooter could cite Jim Hoft himself and Hot in his infinite derpitude would blame Obama.

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Belafon  Oct 2, 2015 • 8:08:49am

re: #283 Dr. Matt

In right-wing world, a self-described conservative republican terrorist is not *actually* a conservative republican. Please proceed, wingnuts.

I’d concede they’re not if Republicans would figure out why they’re all coming from their party.

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Eventual Carrion  Oct 2, 2015 • 8:09:00am

re: #260 Higgs Boson’s Mate

Am I understanding this correctly? The shooter described himself as conservative and Republican but he’s not because conservative Republicans say so?

Yeah, they know him better than he knows himself. Or god told them so, or the neighbors dog told them, somebody let them know.

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Oct 2, 2015 • 8:09:56am

re: #260 Higgs Boson’s Mate

Am I understanding this correctly? The shooter described himself as conservative and Republican but he’s not because conservative Republicans say so?

I think they are clinging to the straw that he was not officially registered as such.

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The Vicious Babushka  Oct 2, 2015 • 8:10:21am

re: #283 Dr. Matt

In right-wing world, a self-described conservative republican terrorist is not *actually* a conservative republican. Please proceed, wingnuts.

Just in case he decides he might vote for a Libertarian, or Reform (paleo-Conservative) candidate.

Most states don’t even require listing party affiliation to register, and those that do, it’s only for which party primary you want to participate in.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 2, 2015 • 8:11:33am

re: #290 The Vicious Babushka

Just in case he decides he might vote for a Libertarian, or Reform (paleo-Conservative) candidate.

Most states don’t even require listing party affiliation to register, and those that do, it’s only for which party primary you want to participate in.

I think most states don’t. If you looked at my voter registration, you’d just know I am registered to vote and would have no idea of my voting history unless you talked to me.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 2, 2015 • 8:12:23am

It’s their No True Conservative desires. They can’t bring themselves to admit that conservatism can be violent and hateful all the while they have violent and hateful rhetoric.

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The Vicious Babushka  Oct 2, 2015 • 8:13:10am

Tsk tsk Aunty, Dana says you’re “not being helpful”

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HappyWarrior  Oct 2, 2015 • 8:14:09am

re: #293 The Vicious Babushka

Tsk tsk Aunty, Dana says you’re “not being helpful”

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The truth hurts eh Dana.

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The Vicious Babushka  Oct 2, 2015 • 8:14:34am

HURR HURR CHICAGO!!!!!1!!!!

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Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Oct 2, 2015 • 8:15:05am

re: #293 The Vicious Babushka

Tsk tsk Aunty, Dana says you’re “not being helpful”

Is totally non-political Dana complaining that everyone else is politicizing the shooting?

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Eventual Carrion  Oct 2, 2015 • 8:15:09am

re: #294 HappyWarrior

The truth hurts eh Dana.

Ha, I just tweeted her, “Facts are unhelpful in your world? Explains a lot.”

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The Vicious Babushka  Oct 2, 2015 • 8:15:39am

They trot out every lame cliché, it’s so boring. We know they don’t give a shit about crime in Chicago.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 2, 2015 • 8:16:23am

re: #298 The Vicious Babushka

They trot out every lame cliché, it’s so boring. We know they don’t give a shit about crime in Chicago.

It would be another city if Obama was=n’t from there.

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Belafon  Oct 2, 2015 • 8:16:34am

re: #295 The Vicious Babushka

HURR HURR CHICAGO!!!!!1!!!!

Hey, Dana, I have a solution: Make it harder for people who shouldn’t have access to guns be able to get them.

It’s odd how this works in all the places.

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Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Oct 2, 2015 • 8:17:32am

re: #295 The Vicious Babushka

HURR HURR CHICAGO!!!!!1!!!!

Chicago!!!11

You know it’s bad when they bring up CHICAGO this early.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 2, 2015 • 8:18:28am

re: #300 Belafon

Hey, Dana, I have a solution: Make it harder for people who shouldn’t have access to guns be able to get them.

It’s odd how this works in all the places.

It really is and I will point out that in many Eastern cities the guns are purchased in states with lax gun laws.

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Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Oct 2, 2015 • 8:19:21am

re: #295 The Vicious Babushka

HURR HURR CHICAGO!!!!!1!!!!

Dana is not being helpful.

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The Vicious Babushka  Oct 2, 2015 • 8:19:28am
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allegro  Oct 2, 2015 • 8:19:44am

re: #295 The Vicious Babushka

HURR HURR CHICAGO!!!!!1!!!!

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She is quite correct. Murders by GUNS. That’s the whole damn point.

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Jenner7  Oct 2, 2015 • 8:20:24am

re: #295 The Vicious Babushka

So, Dana, let’s tighten gun laws in neighboring states, where gangs get these guns.

Let me guess, that’s a no. Right? So, Dana, shut the fuck up about Chicago.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 2, 2015 • 8:20:42am

I am technically a registered independent but I’ identify as a Democrat. This isn’t rocket science. He may not be oficially a Republican but if he considered himself one and a conservative at that. This is just stupid.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 2, 2015 • 8:23:05am

They just offer platitudes about mental illness and then they (Republicans) are the first ones to cut spending on mental health.

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The Vicious Babushka  Oct 2, 2015 • 8:26:57am

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Romantic Heretic  Oct 2, 2015 • 8:31:04am

re: #132 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

My paternal grandfather’s mother died at age 24, several months after he was born. Intestinal infection was the listed cause, but it may have been a complication of the birthing process. My mom’s mom also died a year after giving birth, but from pulmonary disease. She was a garment worker in NYC.

My great-grandfather remarried in 1860. They had eight children, but only four survived to adulthood. This was a middle class family with access to decent (for the time) medical care.

I like to wander cemeteries, the older the better. The headstones from early/pre 20th very often show the man married more than once plus the wives and children he survived.

Good Old Days™ my ass.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Oct 2, 2015 • 8:33:35am

re: #306 Jenner7

So, Dana, let’s tighten gun laws in neighboring states, where gangs get these guns.

Let me guess, that’s a no. Right? So, Dana, shut the fuck up about Chicago.

Someone should thank her for pointing out the need for NATIONAL gun control laws, since localities are stymied by their open borders.

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Dave In Austin  Oct 2, 2015 • 8:34:14am

re: #284 GlutenFreeJesus

The madness starts today.

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In heading out of town to a weekend of red fishing at POC and SPI next weekend. Is it 4 yet?

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Jenner7  Oct 2, 2015 • 8:35:53am
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HappyWarrior  Oct 2, 2015 • 8:37:44am

re: #313 Jenner7

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Dickhead.

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Targetpractice  Oct 2, 2015 • 8:38:44am

re: #313 Jenner7

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Surprise, surprise, surprise.

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Belafon  Oct 2, 2015 • 8:38:50am

re: #313 Jenner7

Americans just get rowdy sometimes. What are you going to do.

//

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Oct 2, 2015 • 8:44:30am

re: #316 Belafon

Americans just get rowdy sometimes. What are you going to do.

//

Young men and their guns. You know how it is. //

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Romantic Heretic  Oct 2, 2015 • 8:45:03am

re: #209 Targetpractice

False argument, nobody in the gun control crowd is seriously arguing for confiscation. But there are plenty of ammosexuals who are arguing that it should be easier to lock up “crazies” based upon nothing more than suspicion of mental illness.

They might want to rethink that position as it is quite apparent that many of them are of questionable mental stability.

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Dr Lizardo  Oct 2, 2015 • 8:46:25am

re: #317 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

Young men and their guns. You know how it is. //

After all, boys will be boys, right?

*spits*

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HappyWarrior  Oct 2, 2015 • 8:47:55am

re: #319 Dr Lizardo

After all, boys will be boys, right?

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*spits*

You talking to me.

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darthstar  Oct 2, 2015 • 8:50:26am
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Dave In Austin  Oct 2, 2015 • 8:51:37am

re: #321 darthstar

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Sweet…

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Higgs Boson's Mate  Oct 2, 2015 • 8:51:58am

This article from Mother Jones suggests that gun violence costs America $229Bn a year. Seems to me that informing people that we are paying an economic penalty this size might move some of them.

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darthstar  Oct 2, 2015 • 8:54:05am

re: #322 Dave In Austin

Sweet…

The heron was an added bonus. He stuck around until the first throw.

These are my boys.
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Eventual Carrion  Oct 2, 2015 • 8:55:03am

re: #321 darthstar

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You caught a UFO in flight.

//

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Blind Frog Belly White  Oct 2, 2015 • 8:56:18am

re: #321 darthstar

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Throwing frisbees at birds? You bastard!
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darthstar  Oct 2, 2015 • 8:56:41am

re: #326 Blind Frog Belly White

Throwing frisbees at birds? You bastard!
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Not at…to.

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Targetpractice  Oct 2, 2015 • 8:56:51am

re: #325 Eventual Carrion

You caught a UFO in flight.

//

I want to believe.

//

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Eventual Carrion  Oct 2, 2015 • 8:57:05am

re: #324 darthstar

The heron was an added bonus. He stuck around until the first throw.

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On the river here if I come upon them in my kayak they are very angry at the intrusion, and loud about their displeasure as they fly away.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 2, 2015 • 8:57:16am

Don’t politicize gun violence. But here’s a fundamentalist Christian here to tell us how secularism among young people is to blame. //

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Eventual Carrion  Oct 2, 2015 • 8:57:35am

re: #328 Targetpractice

I want to believe.

//

It’s out there

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Dr Lizardo  Oct 2, 2015 • 8:57:58am

re: #320 HappyWarrior

You talking to me.

“Listen, you fuckers, you screwheads. Here is a man who would not take it anymore. A man who stood up against the scum, the c**ts, the dogs, the filth, the shit. Here is a man who stood up.”

—-Travis Bickle - and pretty much every other mass shooter out there.

Hard to believe that film is from 1976, almost 40 years ago; it’s still relevant.

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Aunty Entity Dragon  Oct 2, 2015 • 8:58:13am

re: #289 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

I think they are clinging to the straw that he was not officially registered as such.

The idiots at Loesch’s twitter are claiming he lied about being conservative to lure and attack the Christian wimminz. A number of them said that he couldn’t be conservative since he wasn’t Christian.

At least one tin foil hat told me the shooter was a closet Muslim.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Oct 2, 2015 • 8:59:11am

re: #323 Higgs Boson’s Mate

It won’t. Sandy Hook caused them to go out and buy more guns. They don’t give one shit about any economic impact.

Even this graph won’t phase them.

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darthstar  Oct 2, 2015 • 9:00:31am

re: #329 Eventual Carrion

On the river here if I come upon them in my kayak they are very angry at the intrusion, and loud about their displeasure as they fly away.

He gave me a deep throated squawk as he left. If I threw it about fifteen feet to the right he would have just watched Banjo go into the water after it. But with the light the way it was, I figured it was worth getting him in frame.

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Higgs Boson's Mate  Oct 2, 2015 • 9:00:32am

re: #328 Targetpractice

I want to believe.

//

He says it’s true.

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Dr. Matt  Oct 2, 2015 • 9:01:28am

Armed vet destroys gun nuts’ argument on mass shooters by explaining why he didn’t attack Oregon killer

A veteran who says he was carrying a concealed weapon on the UCC campus Thursday when 26-year-old Christopher Harper Mercer went on a murderous rampage, says he didn’t intervene because he knew police SWAT team members wouldn’t know him from the shooter

Another talking point destroyed

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Aunty Entity Dragon  Oct 2, 2015 • 9:01:41am

re: #336 Higgs Boson’s Mate

He says it’s true.

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I really hated that movie. Tim Burton needs to stay far, far away from science fiction.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Oct 2, 2015 • 9:02:55am

re: #336 Higgs Boson’s Mate

He says it’s true.

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Hard to believe that film is from 1976 1996, almost 40 20 years ago; it’s still relevant an excellent source for jokes.

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Higgs Boson's Mate  Oct 2, 2015 • 9:03:32am

re: #338 Aunty Entity Dragon

I really hated that movie. Tim Burton needs to stay far, far away from science fiction.

Mixed feelings about that movie. Modeling the Martians on Jerry Lewis at his most manic was seriously off-putting.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Oct 2, 2015 • 9:06:26am

re: #340 Higgs Boson’s Mate

Mixed feelings about that movie. Modeling the Martians on Jerry Lewis at his most manic was seriously off-putting.

My feelings are unmixed. Sylvia Sidney laughing at Congress being blown up. Martian heads explode. Jack Black gets vaporized. What more do you want in a movie?

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Targetpractice  Oct 2, 2015 • 9:06:33am

re: #337 Dr. Matt

Armed vet destroys gun nuts’ argument on mass shooters by explaining why he didn’t attack Oregon killer

Another talking point destroyed

Oh, we know it won’t matter to them. If anything, they may even go so far as to suggest that his inaction allowed people to die, so he’s indirectly responsible for so many deaths and injuries. That it’s his obligation, nay his duty, to go charging in to put down the gunman. Because obviously the police will know who is who and not stop him or worse.

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darthstar  Oct 2, 2015 • 9:07:33am
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Blind Frog Belly White  Oct 2, 2015 • 9:07:59am

re: #342 Targetpractice

It was the same thing with the Gabrielle Giffords shooting - a ‘Good Guy with a gun’ was there and WISELY didn’t get involved because the person he was GOING TO shoot was not the shooter.

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The Vicious Babushka  Oct 2, 2015 • 9:09:01am

Now Dana is spamming a whole bunch of links about gun owners who shot home invaders.

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The Vicious Babushka  Oct 2, 2015 • 9:11:11am

None of these stories that she’s spamming are about random gun owners (NOT LEO) who stopped a mass shooting in a public venue.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 2, 2015 • 9:11:20am

re: #337 Dr. Matt

Armed vet destroys gun nuts’ argument on mass shooters by explaining why he didn’t attack Oregon killer

Another talking point destroyed

That’s exactly what I’ve argued for years. If this man had foolishly brought his weapon out, the SWAT team would have possibly thought there were two shooters and possibly killed this man making an already chaotic situation even more so. It’s easy to say “Well if I just had a gun, I’d pop the bastard.” Real life is far more complicated.

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Franklin  Oct 2, 2015 • 9:11:36am

re: #345 The Vicious Babushka

Now Dana is spamming a whole bunch of links about gun owners who shot home invaders.

Queen of the Strawmen.

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Charles Johnson  Oct 2, 2015 • 9:12:14am
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HappyWarrior  Oct 2, 2015 • 9:12:55am

re: #344 Blind Frog Belly White

It was the same thing with the Gabrielle Giffords shooting - a ‘Good Guy with a gun’ was there and WISELY didn’t get involved because the person he was GOING TO shoot was not the shooter.

Right. I mean if he or this former Marine had brought out their weapons, it would make already chaotic situations even more so. That’s what the gunfuckers liike Dana never want to admit.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 2, 2015 • 9:13:07am

re: #349 Charles Johnson

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Boom!

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Belafon  Oct 2, 2015 • 9:13:15am

re: #345 The Vicious Babushka

Now Dana is spamming a whole bunch of links about gun owners who shot home invaders.

argusleader.com

Man shoots himself in the penis.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 2, 2015 • 9:14:39am

re: #352 Belafon

argusleader.com

Man shoots himself in the penis.

Repeated studies show that homes with guns are far more likely to experience accidents with guns than homes without them. Me? I’d frankly rather take a smaller chance I’d be robbed than the bigger chance that I may accidentally be mistaken for an intruder and killed by a loved one. Anyone know the baseball player, Ty Cobb? That’s actually how his father was killed.

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Belafon  Oct 2, 2015 • 9:16:46am

re: #346 The Vicious Babushka

If someone is bored, they could get the gunfail diaries on Daily Kos, and just start filling her queue with those. Maybe a few people could. There are way more gunfails that heroic acts.

Most idiots should not have guns unless they’re under supervision.

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darthstar  Oct 2, 2015 • 9:17:45am

Ben Carson’s own words - better than bad lip reading.

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ObserverArt  Oct 2, 2015 • 9:17:46am

re: #295 The Vicious Babushka

HURR HURR CHICAGO!!!!!1!!!!

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Ahhh…just as I figured yesterday…compare to Chicago, the instant dodge for gun humpers.

LGF Topic: Breaking: 7 to 10 Dead, 20 Wounded in Oregon School Shooting - Comment #156

Well damn…step away from the computer for a few hours to strip some paint, come back to the thread I had opened (2 threads ago) and the first post I read is the initial comment about this shooting. A few posts later and there are 15 dead.

I guess this would only be outrageous to anti-gun-control, gun-loving zealots if it occurred over a weekend in Chicago.

Damn this country sometimes. I was always raised to “do what is right.” In my early school days it was drummed into me by the good Sisters of St. Francis and the Jesuit priests to “do what is right.”

When it comes to guns, when are we going to do what is right?

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Franklin  Oct 2, 2015 • 9:17:56am

re: #353 HappyWarrior

Repeated studies show that homes with guns are far more likely to shoot themselves in the penis experience accidents with guns than homes without them.

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Aunty Entity Dragon  Oct 2, 2015 • 9:20:35am

re: #353 HappyWarrior

Repeated studies show that homes with guns are far more likely to experience accidents with guns than homes without them. Me? I’d frankly rather take a smaller chance I’d be robbed than the bigger chance that I may accidentally be mistaken for an intruder and killed by a loved one. Anyone know the baseball player, Ty Cobb? That’s actually how his father was killed.

I came real close to shooting the son of the landlady where I was staying with my then fiancée.
He was drunk and beating on the door and screaming…and I had no idea who the hell he was. I was off to one side with a carbine demanding just who the fuck he was, and the only thing that saved him was that I was trained to not shoot unless I had a confirmed target.

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wrenchwench  Oct 2, 2015 • 9:22:16am
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HappyWarrior  Oct 2, 2015 • 9:23:22am

re: #358 Aunty Entity Dragon

I came real close to shooting the son of the landlady where I was staying with y then fiancée.
He was drunk and beating on the door and screaming…and I had no idea who the hell he was I was off to one side with a carbine demanding just who the fuck he was, and the only thing that saved him was that I was trained to not shoot unless I had a confirmed target.

Good thing your training had that element. A lot of people would just shoot and ask questions later.

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Stanley Sea Toujours  Oct 2, 2015 • 9:23:35am

re: #359 wrenchwench

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‘TIS!

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ObserverArt  Oct 2, 2015 • 9:25:26am

re: #307 HappyWarrior

I am technically a registered independent but I’ identify as a Democrat. This isn’t rocket science. He may not be oficially a Republican but if he considered himself one and a conservative at that. This is just stupid.

Just being stupid is the tool chest of the lame RWNJ excuse squad. They know it plays well with the stupid people that buy their RWNJ BS.

Does anyone with a working brain stem read Gateway, Breitbart, Infowars, Freepers and believe it? Sure there are people that check it out for a lark, but actually buy in to the “facts” as they are presented.

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The Vicious Babushka  Oct 2, 2015 • 9:25:30am
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Charles Johnson  Oct 2, 2015 • 9:26:40am
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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Oct 2, 2015 • 9:28:04am

re: #364 Charles Johnson

I love how @dloesch actually quotes an article that says people could carry guns onto the campus but STILL insists it was a “gun free zone.”

because it had to be

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Belafon  Oct 2, 2015 • 9:28:55am

re: #364 Charles Johnson

There’s a guy on another blog claiming the same thing. And when I showed him the TPM article, his counter was that the shooter believed it was, so it must have been.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 2, 2015 • 9:29:26am

re: #364 Charles Johnson

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She lives in a reality where gun owners are persecuted as bad as Jews in Nazi Germany.

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ObserverArt  Oct 2, 2015 • 9:29:52am

re: #321 darthstar

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Nice photo there Darth!

I don’t know how much you planned it, but all the elements make a nice pattern for interest and the lighting carries the color all the way through.

That would make a nice framed print.

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The Vicious Babushka  Oct 2, 2015 • 9:30:17am

re: #367 HappyWarrior

She lives in a reality where gun owners are persecuted as bad as Jews in Nazi Germany.

A sickening wingnut talking point, sadly one of their very favorite.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 2, 2015 • 9:31:21am

re: #369 The Vicious Babushka

A sickening wingnut talking point, sadly one of their very favorite.

Yep. It’s sick and they see no problem with it.

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Eventual Carrion  Oct 2, 2015 • 9:33:42am

re: #370 HappyWarrior

Yep. It’s sick and they see no problem with it.

Because that square fits snugly into their block heads.

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ObserverArt  Oct 2, 2015 • 9:34:16am

re: #337 Dr. Matt

Armed vet destroys gun nuts’ argument on mass shooters by explaining why he didn’t attack Oregon killer

Another talking point destroyed

Well, there goes his membership to the NRA!

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HappyWarrior  Oct 2, 2015 • 9:34:41am

You want to prove the idea more people with guns will prevent these? Chris Kyle was murdered on a shooting range. A shooting range.

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ObserverArt  Oct 2, 2015 • 9:36:06am

re: #341 Blind Frog Belly White

My feelings are unmixed. Sylvia Sidney laughing at Congress being blown up. Martian heads explode. Jack Black gets vaporized. What more do you want in a movie?

SciFi comedy at its best!

It should never be taken seriously as SciFi…it’s Tim Burton? When the hell has he ever done a straight movie? That’s why he is great in my opinion. No one has the “visions” of Tim Burton.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 2, 2015 • 9:36:23am

re: #371 Eventual Carrion

Because that square fits snugly into their block heads.

It’s their sick desire to liken themselves to victims of real oppression. Meanwhile, I bet Dana owns more than guns now then she did in 2008 before Obama was elected.

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The Vicious Babushka  Oct 2, 2015 • 9:36:36am

Are there any actual instances of a “good guy with a gun” stopping a mass shooting in a public venue?

I can only think of one instance, a Colorado church shooting was stopped by an armed security guard (who was also a trained law enforcement professional).

Of course every time wingnuts mention that one I remind them that the hero was kicked out of the church after coming out as gay.

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Belafon  Oct 2, 2015 • 9:37:13am

re: #373 HappyWarrior

You want to prove the idea more people with guns will prevent these? Chris Kyle was murdered on a shooting range. A shooting range.

Combine that with the fact that you can’t take loaded guns into any NRA convention or gun show, and you can tell what reality is.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 2, 2015 • 9:37:56am

re: #376 The Vicious Babushka

Are there any actual instances of a “good guy with a gun” stopping a mass shooting in a public venue?

I can only think of one instance, a Colorado church shooting was stopped by an armed security guard (who was also a trained law enforcement professional).

Of course every time wingnuts mention that one I remind them that the hero was kicked out of the church after coming out as gay.

That was just disgraceful and yet another reason why these churches are run by assholes.

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Dr. Matt  Oct 2, 2015 • 9:38:47am

re: #376 The Vicious Babushka

Are there any actual instances of a “good guy with a gun” stopping a mass shooting in a public venue?

Yes.

Read it and weep.

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The Vicious Babushka  Oct 2, 2015 • 9:39:49am
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Franklin  Oct 2, 2015 • 9:40:39am

re: #379 Dr. Matt

Yes.

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Read it and weep.

Yippee Ki Yay Mr Falcon

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wrenchwench  Oct 2, 2015 • 9:40:52am
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ObserverArt  Oct 2, 2015 • 9:42:19am

re: #376 The Vicious Babushka

Are there any actual instances of a “good guy with a gun” stopping a mass shooting in a public venue?

I can only think of one instance, a Colorado church shooting was stopped by an armed security guard (who was also a trained law enforcement professional).

Of course every time wingnuts mention that one I remind them that the hero was kicked out of the church after coming out as gay.

So then…only a good gay person with a gun works.

And if you are a gay-hating fundie Christian type you’ll be shit outta luck because your church will have no gays with guns around.

Put that in the RWNJs pipe and let them smoke that!

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Franklin  Oct 2, 2015 • 9:42:48am

re: #380 The Vicious Babushka

Good question. Does the 2A protect ammunition?

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witw  Oct 2, 2015 • 9:43:15am

re: #373 HappyWarrior

I would add that it was a private gun range not affiliated with the NRA. As much as I loathe their politics they do operate the safest ranges. The folks, including Chris Kyle, who go to these unregulated ranges do so because they want to use weapons the NRA wisely does not allow and they also are not bothered to follow the rules of safe gun handling. I happily pay the extra for not belonging to the NRA to access an approved range with a trained range master, my safety is worth it.

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BlueSpotinAL  Oct 2, 2015 • 9:44:45am

re: #360 HappyWarrior

Good thing your training had that element. A lot of people would just shoot stand their ground and ask questions later.

FTFY

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HappyWarrior  Oct 2, 2015 • 9:45:12am

re: #385 witw

I would add that it was a private gun range not affiliated with the NRA. As much as I loathe their politics they do operate the safest ranges. The folks, including Chris Kyle, who go to these unregulated ranges do so because they want to use weapons the NRA wisely does not allow and they also are not bothered to follow the rules of safe gun handling. I happily pay the extra for not belonging to the NRA to access an approved range with a trained range master, my safety is worth it.

Wasnt aware of that, thanks.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 2, 2015 • 9:45:48am

re: #384 Franklin

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Good question. Does the 2A protect ammunition?

That was Rock’s suggestion.

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Bubblehead II  Oct 2, 2015 • 9:53:35am

Cue exploding RWNJ heads.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 2, 2015 • 9:54:47am

I’m glad I know more about Chris Mintz than the shooter so far. I wouldn’t have been that brave. Get well dude and know that strangers appreciate your bravery.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 2, 2015 • 9:56:12am

re: #389 Bubblehead II

Cue exploding RWNJ heads.

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I’m glad he did this.

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Belafon  Oct 2, 2015 • 9:58:23am

re: #384 Franklin

Good question. Does the 2A protect ammunition?

Yes, because the second amendment covers arms (even though that’s not consistently applied) and a gun without bullets is a toy.

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Skip Intro  Oct 2, 2015 • 9:59:09am

Oregon shooting: Gunman had white supremacy leanings and was obsessed with guns, source says

How could anyone have seen that coming?

latimes.com

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Teukka  Oct 2, 2015 • 10:01:53am

re: #393 Skip Intro

Oregon shooting: Gunman had white supremacy leanings and was obsessed with guns, source says

How could anyone have seen that coming?

latimes.com

My surprised face, let me show you it ///

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HappyWarrior  Oct 2, 2015 • 10:02:59am

re: #393 Skip Intro

Oregon shooting: Gunman had white supremacy leanings and was obsessed with guns, source says

How could anyone have seen that coming?

latimes.com

Shocked. But we all know white supremacists gun fans are huge liberals. //

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Targetpractice  Oct 2, 2015 • 10:05:14am

re: #364 Charles Johnson

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So he was wearing body armor? Well, obviously all “reasonable gun owners” can manage a headshot from any distance at any angle, so they still could have defeated him with a single shot!

////

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Higgs Boson's Mate  Oct 2, 2015 • 10:05:35am

re: #393 Skip Intro

I was going to comment that the wingers will have to go through some serious mental gymnastics to prove that the shooter was one of us and not one of them. Then I remembered that they now go straight to the lie and demand that everyone else agrees that it’s the truth.

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Higgs Boson's Mate  Oct 2, 2015 • 10:06:53am

re: #396 Targetpractice

So he was wearing body armor? Well, obviously all “reasonable gun owners” can manage a headshot from any distance at any angle, so they still could have defeated him with a single shot!

////

It’s all I ever do. Blindfolded, with a bucket over my head.

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gocart mozart  Oct 2, 2015 • 10:07:21am
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The Vicious Babushka  Oct 2, 2015 • 10:07:50am
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HappyWarrior  Oct 2, 2015 • 10:08:33am

re: #399 gocart mozart

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Funny coming from an actual murderer. You have more in common with this fucker Gerogy than Obama ever will.

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Dr Lizardo  Oct 2, 2015 • 10:08:37am

re: #374 ObserverArt

SciFi comedy at its best!

It should never be taken seriously as SciFi…it’s Tim Burton? When the hell has he ever done a straight movie? That’s why he is great in my opinion. No one has the “visions” of Tim Burton.

My personal Tim Burton fave is Ed Wood.

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Lidane  Oct 2, 2015 • 10:08:56am

re: #389 Bubblehead II

Related:

“The Pope did not enter into the details of the situation of Mrs. Davis, and his meeting with her should not be considered a form of support of her position in all of its particular and complex aspects,” Vatican spokesman the Rev. Federico Lombardi said in a statement issued Friday morning.

—snip—

Davis’ lawyer, Mat Staver, had said the audience lasted 10 minutes and was just between the Pope, his client and her husband. Lombardi disputed that account, saying “several dozen” people were present at the Vatican Embassy during the meeting.

“Such brief greetings occur on all papal visits and are due to the Pope’s characteristic kindness and availability. The only real audience granted by the pope at the nunciature (embassy) was with one of his former students and his family,” Lombardi said.

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Franklin  Oct 2, 2015 • 10:09:24am

re: #401 HappyWarrior

Funny coming from an actual murderer. You have more in common with this fucker Gerogy than Obama ever will.

Quoted for posterity.

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Eventual Carrion  Oct 2, 2015 • 10:09:46am

re: #400 The Vicious Babushka

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And abolish the death penalty? And stop making war everywhere?

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HappyWarrior  Oct 2, 2015 • 10:09:53am

re: #404 Franklin

Quoted for posterity.

Haha my slow work computer has its benefits.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 2, 2015 • 10:10:22am

re: #405 Eventual Carrion

And abolish the death penalty? And stop making war everywhere?

Support increased funding for the poor?

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The Vicious Babushka  Oct 2, 2015 • 10:11:20am

re: #407 HappyWarrior

Support increased funding for the poor?

HURR HURR THERE LAZY & JUST WANT FREE STUFF!!!!!

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darthstar  Oct 2, 2015 • 10:12:12am

5,000 liters of beer.
1 apple juice for the designated driver.
Designated drivers always get screwed.

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Bubblehead II  Oct 2, 2015 • 10:13:44am

re: #403 Lidane

Related:

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Davis’ lawyer, Mat Staver, had said the audience lasted 10 minutes and was just between the Pope, his client and her husband. Lombardi disputed that account, saying “several dozen” people were present at the Vatican Embassy during the meeting.

Staver’s is disputing this statement. Basically calling the Vatican liars.

Davis’ lawyer, Mat Staver, responded almost immediately to the Vatican, disputing the claim that the pope only met the clerk as part of a group. Davis and her husband, Staver told the Associated Press, met the pope alone.

Staver also told the AP that Vatican personnel initiated contact, saying the pope wanted to meet Davis. The lawyer did not name the Vatican officials.

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The Vicious Babushka  Oct 2, 2015 • 10:14:22am

You know how that turned out Ted? They came and took it.

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Lidane  Oct 2, 2015 • 10:14:54am

re: #410 Bubblehead II

I’m an atheist, but given the choice of believing Mat Staver or believing the Vatican on this, Imma go with the Holy See.

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Kragar  Oct 2, 2015 • 10:14:55am
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BeenHereAwhile  Oct 2, 2015 • 10:15:27am

re: #128 I Stand With Planned Parenthood

The Massively Terrible Plan to Give Israel the Massive Ordnance Penetrator

(paywall)

I don’t even want to know.

Lease them a spare B52 or two:

What better way to kick off “The End Times To Come.”

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The War TARDIS  Oct 2, 2015 • 10:15:36am

re: #376 The Vicious Babushka

That church was the one that broke my faith the first time, when I was in high school.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 2, 2015 • 10:15:41am

re: #410 Bubblehead II

Davis’ lawyer, Mat Staver, had said the audience lasted 10 minutes and was just between the Pope, his client and her husband. Lombardi disputed that account, saying “several dozen” people were present at the Vatican Embassy during the meeting.

Staver’s is disputing this statement. Basically calling the Vatican liars.

Davis’ lawyer, Mat Staver, responded almost immediately to the Vatican, disputing the claim that the pope only met the clerk as part of a group. Davis and her husband, Staver told the Associated Press, met the pope alone.

Staver also told the AP that Vatican personnel initiated contact, saying the pope wanted to meet Davis. The lawyer did not name the Vatican officials.

I see no reason to believe Staver at all. He wants to use the Pope’s popularity to try to get is client off any charges. I really think Francis felt he was just trying to be polite the more I read about the story.

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Higgs Boson's Mate  Oct 2, 2015 • 10:17:15am

re: #411 The Vicious Babushka

You know how that turned out Ted? They came and took it.

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Let us pause and reflect on the heroic fight put up by the Cuban Canadians at the Alamo.

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Kragar  Oct 2, 2015 • 10:17:55am
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makeitstop  Oct 2, 2015 • 10:18:02am

re: #410 Bubblehead II

Davis’ lawyer, Mat Staver, had said the audience lasted 10 minutes and was just between the Pope, his client and her husband. Lombardi disputed that account, saying “several dozen” people were present at the Vatican Embassy during the meeting.

Staver’s is disputing this statement. Basically calling the Vatican liars.

Davis’ lawyer, Mat Staver, responded almost immediately to the Vatican, disputing the claim that the pope only met the clerk as part of a group. Davis and her husband, Staver told the Associated Press, met the pope alone.

Staver also told the AP that Vatican personnel initiated contact, saying the pope wanted to meet Davis. The lawyer did not name the Vatican officials.

So basically, she got into the Papal equivalent of a ‘meet & greet.’ Big whoop.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 2, 2015 • 10:18:28am

I’d point out that part of why the Texans broke away from Mexico was Mexico’s ban on slavery.

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Skip Intro  Oct 2, 2015 • 10:19:14am
You know how that turned out Ted? They came and took it.

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You can’t expect a Cuban-Canadian to know that.

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Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Oct 2, 2015 • 10:21:53am

re: #400 The Vicious Babushka

I’m about protecting life. It’s why I also want to defund Planned Parenthood.
— Dana Loesch

Hurr hurr

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Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Oct 2, 2015 • 10:22:29am

re: #411 The Vicious Babushka

180 years ago today, Texians in Gonzales responded to Santa Anna’s demand to hand over their cannon #ComeAndTakeIt pic.twitter.com
— Ted Cruz

How’s that campaigning going, Ted?

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Doofus  Oct 2, 2015 • 10:22:47am

Random unoriginal thoughts:

Waterboarding at Guantanamo Bay sounds super rad if you don’t know what either of those things are.

The person who would proof read Hitler’s speeches was literally a grammar Nazi.

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Bubblehead II  Oct 2, 2015 • 10:25:07am

re: #412 Lidane

I’m an atheist, but given the choice of believing Mat Staver or believing the Vatican on this, Imma go with the Holy See.

Same here. the more that comes out the more it smells.

re: #416 HappyWarrior

I see no reason to believe Staver at all. He wants to use the Pope’s popularity to try to get is client off any charges. I really think Francis felt he was just trying to be polite the more I read about the story.

Yep. I am coming to the conclusion that if the Vatican/Pope knew who she was and just how radioactive she was, she would have never been allowed into his presence.

re: #419 makeitstop

So basically, she got into the Papal equivalent of a ‘meet & greet.’ Big whoop.

Yep. Just how she was able to get in though remains to seen.

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The Vicious Babushka  Oct 2, 2015 • 10:25:13am

Nevermind, just got Poe’d.

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Ian G.  Oct 2, 2015 • 10:27:21am

Hey Charles, if you haven’t checked out the entire Isbell Austin City Limits show, do so. It’s a great mix of his new stuff, Drive-By Truckers stuff, and a killer Rolling Stones cover at the end.

“Flying Over Water”, that’s my jam. Put on the headphones, and I belt it out at the top of my lungs if I think nobody is listening.

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The Vicious Babushka  Oct 2, 2015 • 10:28:20am

But Dana isn’t that the point of the RW meme? Before you can tell the difference BANG you’re dead.

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Jenner7  Oct 2, 2015 • 10:29:37am

It looks like the east coast will dodge a bullet.

nhc.noaa.gov

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Pawn of the Oppressor  Oct 2, 2015 • 10:29:40am

I’m glad the Pope’s meeting wasn’t what it first appeared to be. When the news broke, I thought “Well, meeting people is kind of his job, maybe he didn’t know the whole story”. I’d like to know how they got into the meeting in the first place though. Surely the Papal office can vet things better than this.

And of course, Davis’ people lied about it. Shock! First the Peruvians, now Fantasy Pope!

“Kim, that wasn’t The Pope. You were drunk at a Sbarro’s.”

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wrenchwench  Oct 2, 2015 • 10:30:39am

Good guy had no gun.

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Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Oct 2, 2015 • 10:32:40am

re: #428 The Vicious Babushka

But Dana isn’t that the point of the RW meme? Before you can tell the difference BANG you’re dead.

YOUR NOT BEING HELPFUL!!!! YOUR ARGUMENT IS UNVALIDATED!!!1

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HappyWarrior  Oct 2, 2015 • 10:35:37am

re: #431 wrenchwench

Good guy had no gun.

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I really hope he gets an invitation to meet Obama or the governor of Oregon. Good dude. I knew a few guys like him in college. They were older guys who had been in the military returning to school.

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The Vicious Babushka  Oct 2, 2015 • 10:36:32am
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Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Oct 2, 2015 • 10:36:55am

re: #433 HappyWarrior

I really hope he gets an invitation to meet Obama or the governor of Oregon. Good dude. I knew a few guys like him in college. They were older guys who had been in the military returning to school.

Why does Obama meet with this guy and not a real hero like Kim Davis!?!??!?!??!

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HappyWarrior  Oct 2, 2015 • 10:37:27am

re: #430 Pawn of the Oppressor

I’m glad the Pope’s meeting wasn’t what it first appeared to be. When the news broke, I thought “Well, meeting people is kind of his job, maybe he didn’t know the whole story”. I’d like to know how they got into the meeting in the first place though. Surely the Papal office can vet things better than this.

And of course, Davis’ people lied about it. Shock! First the Peruvians, now Fantasy Pope!

“Kim, that wasn’t The Pope. You were drunk at a Sbarro’s.”

I have to admit, I was initially quite disappointed with Francis but seeing the Vatican’s explanation and that he met with a gay couple too shows me that the man just wants to give everyone his time and I think this meeting with Davis is consistent with his overall message of embracing all people. It does disappoint me though that the American hierarchy pushed this though apparently since they’re the ones who play a big role shaping American Catholicism.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 2, 2015 • 10:37:52am

re: #435 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse

Why does Obama meet with this guy and not a real hero like Kim Davis!?!??!?!??!

I would’t be surprised if Mat Staver thinks that.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 2, 2015 • 10:38:16am

re: #434 The Vicious Babushka

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I believe it. Lanza’s were as have been most shooters before.

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Dr. Matt  Oct 2, 2015 • 10:40:48am

Fuck face is trying to be a bigger asshole than Ben Shapiro

George Zimmerman compares Obama to ‘mixed race’ Oregon shooter Christopher Harper Mercer

The man who killed black teen Trayvon Martin during a scuffle in Florida in 2012 claimed President Barack Obama has two things in common with the Oregon shooter: they are both of mixed race and both have killed Christians in the U.S.

On Twitter, where Zimmerman does his attacking these days, the acquitted killer tweeted: “2 things P.O.S. Obama & his son have in common, self proclaimed “mixed race” and attacking Christians on US soil.” Zimmerman included a picture of suspected Oregon shooter Christopher Harper Mercer, who identifies as mixed race.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 2, 2015 • 10:41:41am

re: #439 Dr. Matt

Fuck face is trying to be a bigger asshole than Ben Shapiro

George Zimmerman compares Obama to ‘mixed race’ Oregon shooter Christopher Harper Mercer

He’s proving that it was spot on to call him a racist.

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Eventual Carrion  Oct 2, 2015 • 10:41:48am

re: #434 The Vicious Babushka

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So he was a law abiding, good guy with a gun. Right up to the point where he wasn’t.

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Nyet  Oct 2, 2015 • 10:42:17am

re: #412 Lidane

I’m an atheist, but given the choice of believing Mat Staver or believing the Vatican on this, Imma go with the Holy See.

Thankfully, these are not the only options, so we can merrily continue to disbelieve them both.

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Nyet  Oct 2, 2015 • 10:43:30am

So I see that the guy described himself as “spiritual” in his alleged profile. Doesn’t exclude atheism/agnosticism, but could easily be a deist or some New Agey type. Or is there new info?

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HappyWarrior  Oct 2, 2015 • 10:44:03am

re: #441 Eventual Carrion

So he was a law abiding, good guy with a gun. Right up to the point where he wasn’t.

That’s been my question- when does the good guy with a gun become a bad one? The thing a lot of these shooters have in common is while a lot of their peers think them odd, a lot of them don’t actually have criminal records.

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Belafon  Oct 2, 2015 • 10:45:17am

re: #444 HappyWarrior

That’s been my question- when does the good guy with a gun become a bad one? The thing a lot of these shooters have in common is while a lot of their peers think them odd, a lot of them don’t actually have criminal records.

When someone’s child gets sacrificed. And too many people are willing to allow the sacrifice to their gun god.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Oct 2, 2015 • 10:45:35am

re: #434 The Vicious Babushka

Yeah. Didn’t see that coming. So much for that RWNJ talking point.

Gomer Surprise-desktop.m4v

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HappyWarrior  Oct 2, 2015 • 10:48:27am

re: #445 Belafon

When someone’s child gets sacrificed. And too many people are willing to allow the sacrifice to their gun god.

I know, sigh.

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Franklin  Oct 2, 2015 • 10:48:31am

re: #418 Kragar

Non sequitur of the day (and funny I might add) goes to:

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Nyet  Oct 2, 2015 • 10:49:50am

re: #448 Franklin

No, but he could be a good proctologist. /

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Franklin  Oct 2, 2015 • 10:52:22am

re: #449 Nyet

No, but he could be a good proctologist. /

Oh dear god. LOL

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Eventual Carrion  Oct 2, 2015 • 10:57:52am

re: #449 Nyet

No, but he could be a good proctologist. /

3 finger Ted.

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darthstar  Oct 2, 2015 • 10:58:36am

re: #448 Franklin

Non sequitur of the day (and funny I might add) goes to:

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Ted Cruz couldn’t masturbate a cat with those hands.

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Jebediah, RBG  Oct 2, 2015 • 2:52:57pm

re: #188 Higgs Boson’s Mate

I’d still look like twenty miles of bad road no matter what time period I was in.

Eh, I donno. People who have seen you IRL say five to ten miles of bad road, tops.


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