Saturday Acoustic Excellence: Michael Chapdelaine, “Chant”

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Chant, (subtitled, Joy and Reverence for Life and Earth)
An American Indian father is standing on the edge of a mesa with his children, teaching them about how beautiful, kind and passionate this life on this Earth can be. He is teaching them how to chant…..and that if we just cling to the ancient celebration of life, through observing, meditation, through dancing and singing, then all that is beautiful about this life and this planet will be ours to enjoy and learn from.

Strings by D’Addario

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467 comments
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Amory Blaine  Oct 3, 2015 • 4:35:44pm

Nice song. Thanks for posting the tabs too.

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William Lewis  Oct 3, 2015 • 5:07:58pm

Wonderful. And thank you as well for the tab. It’ll be forever before I can play it as a song but I see several passages that will work as exercises for me to practice.

Speaking of exercises, I ordered this yesterday as a present for myself:
scalethesummit.bigcartel.com

Chris Letchford plays 7 & 8 string with his band “Scale The Summit”, an instrumental only metal/progressive band that I love dearly. The book is written for us 6 string people so I’m hoping to learn lots from it.

And hopefully that will keep me from lusting too hard for this …

amazon.com

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retired cynic  Oct 3, 2015 • 5:21:39pm

I’m going OT and back in time to the lunar eclipse, which I missed because of overcast skies. Two visuals that I found just stunning:

clarkvision.com

and

apod.nasa.gov for October 3rd.

There is some new wallpaper for me to dream by!

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Stanley Sea Toujours  Oct 3, 2015 • 5:32:02pm
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Charles Johnson  Oct 3, 2015 • 5:41:43pm
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Charles Johnson  Oct 3, 2015 • 5:43:24pm
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Eclectic Cyborg  Oct 3, 2015 • 5:45:21pm

re: #6 Charles Johnson

Was that the one that culminated with you leaving the right?

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Charles Johnson  Oct 3, 2015 • 5:46:02pm
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Charles Johnson  Oct 3, 2015 • 5:47:26pm

re: #7 Eclectic Cyborg

Was that the one that culminated with you leaving the right?

That was just one factor, when I realized that most right wing bloggers were just fine with having an overt racist in their midst. There was a lot more to it, though.

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The War TARDIS  Oct 3, 2015 • 5:48:06pm

re: #5 Charles Johnson

Well, it is the only warmth he will ever know.

13 minutes to Doctor Who.

littlegreenfootballs.com

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Amory Blaine  Oct 3, 2015 • 5:55:04pm

Crockett and Tubbs mixed with Bieber? I guess it’s a look.

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Higgs Boson's Mate  Oct 3, 2015 • 5:56:40pm
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Charles Johnson  Oct 3, 2015 • 5:57:45pm
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goddamnedfrank  Oct 3, 2015 • 6:00:22pm
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teleskiguy  Oct 3, 2015 • 6:03:32pm
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Amory Blaine  Oct 3, 2015 • 6:04:59pm
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Charles Johnson  Oct 3, 2015 • 6:06:31pm
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Charles Johnson  Oct 3, 2015 • 6:07:57pm
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teleskiguy  Oct 3, 2015 • 6:10:02pm

I thought LGF was

IRRELLLEVANNTTT!!!!
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darthstar  Oct 3, 2015 • 6:12:41pm
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darthstar  Oct 3, 2015 • 6:13:24pm

Who is the blonde dudebro?

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TedStriker  Oct 3, 2015 • 6:14:09pm

re: #20 darthstar

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I guess that’s kinda like Sean Bean ending up dead in almost every role he plays.

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The War TARDIS  Oct 3, 2015 • 6:14:29pm

re: #21 darthstar

Milo Yiannopoulous. Or something like this. Huge Ultra - Conservative, and MRA.

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TedStriker  Oct 3, 2015 • 6:14:34pm

re: #21 darthstar

Who is the blonde dudebro?

Milo the Douchebag, AFAIK.

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teleskiguy  Oct 3, 2015 • 6:14:52pm

re: #21 darthstar

Who is the blonde dudebro?

Milo Yiannopoulos, resident Breitbart misogynist/gamergater. He was escorted away from a protest in LA today by the LAPD.

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Charles Johnson  Oct 3, 2015 • 6:15:53pm

re: #19 teleskiguy

I thought LGF was

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I’ll never be irrelevant to Stacy. I own a permanent space in his head.

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Charles Johnson  Oct 3, 2015 • 6:17:25pm
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teleskiguy  Oct 3, 2015 • 6:18:00pm

re: #27 Charles Johnson

80,000 fake followers? How does one do that?!?

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Charles Johnson  Oct 3, 2015 • 6:19:06pm

re: #28 teleskiguy

80,000 fake followers? How does one do that?!?

You pay for them.

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teleskiguy  Oct 3, 2015 • 6:21:00pm

re: #29 Charles Johnson

You pay for them.

Sounds like a massive waste of money.

I just did a Twitter audit on my account. I’m happy to say that 94% of my followers are real. Charles, you come in at 93%.

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Eric The Fruit Bat  Oct 3, 2015 • 6:21:27pm
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teleskiguy  Oct 3, 2015 • 6:21:55pm

re: #31 Eric The Fruit Bat

This made me LOL!

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Charles Johnson  Oct 3, 2015 • 6:22:54pm

re: #30 teleskiguy

Sounds like a massive waste of money.

I just did a Twitter audit on my account. I’m happy to say that 94% of my followers are real. Charles, you come in at 93%.

Everybody on Twitter has some fake followers. But I don’t think I’ve ever seen someone with only ONE PERCENT real followers. McCain is a big old honking fraud.

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darthstar  Oct 3, 2015 • 6:24:47pm

re: #23 The War TARDIS

Milo Yiannopoulous. Or something like this. Huge Ultra - Conservative, and MRA.

re: #24 TedStriker

Milo the Douchebag, AFAIK.

re: #25 teleskiguy

Milo Yiannopoulos, resident Breitbart misogynist/gamergater. He was escorted away from a protest in LA today by the LAPD.

His parents named him after a chocolate malt mix?

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Higgs Boson's Mate  Oct 3, 2015 • 6:25:07pm

re: #33 Charles Johnson

Everybody on Twitter has some fake followers. But I don’t think I’ve ever seen someone with only ONE PERCENT real followers. McCain is a big old honking fraud.

How does an asshole like RSM not have more followers in this day and age?

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teleskiguy  Oct 3, 2015 • 6:25:42pm

I’m at 400 followers on my Twitter account (don’t know how long that’s going to last, I don’t follow back unless you say Hi! and lots of people follow me then unfollow). That’s almost four and a half times more people than I graduated from high school with.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Oct 3, 2015 • 6:26:03pm

re: #29 Charles Johnson

You pay for them.

Like writing some crazed right wing book, and buying a million of them, turning it into a NYT BESTEST-EVER SELLER!!?

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Charles Johnson  Oct 3, 2015 • 6:26:04pm
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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Oct 3, 2015 • 6:27:15pm

re: #34 darthstar

His parents named him after a chocolate malt mix?
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Milo Minderbinder from Catch-22.

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Great White Snark  Oct 3, 2015 • 6:28:16pm

re: #33 Charles Johnson

Everybody on Twitter has some fake followers. But I don’t think I’ve ever seen someone with only ONE PERCENT real followers. McCain is a big old honking fraud.

Seems to me a direct proportion can be found between number of fake followers and scale of unhealthy ego and pride. Never ever paid for any of those services. Not a dime. But at least I have the honest satisfaction of real results.

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bubba zanetti  Oct 3, 2015 • 6:28:17pm

Swissplaining: when gun-humpers try to explain to you how gun ownership works in Switzerland, and you’re Swiss.

Do you understand the concept that these guns are not privately purchased?

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Charles Johnson  Oct 3, 2015 • 6:29:50pm
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jaunte  Oct 3, 2015 • 6:30:24pm
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TedStriker  Oct 3, 2015 • 6:30:51pm

re: #28 teleskiguy

80,000 fake followers? How does one do that?!?

re: #29 Charles Johnson

You pay for them.

He probably pays for sex too, since no one in their right mind would want to be with him without due compensation.

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Archangelus  Oct 3, 2015 • 6:31:09pm
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darthstar  Oct 3, 2015 • 6:31:56pm

I’m really trying not to hate Hillary - I think she’d be better than any of the Republican candidates, but this makes me livid.

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A Cranky One  Oct 3, 2015 • 6:32:10pm
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TedStriker  Oct 3, 2015 • 6:32:21pm
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teleskiguy  Oct 3, 2015 • 6:32:32pm

I hate to be the bearer of bad news. Our own @Gus_802 lost his mother today. If you have Twitter, you can give him condolences there. He tweeted the news this morning.

If you look through his feed, he also tells great stories about his mom, how she spent every vacation she had in Germany and especially Austria because she loved Beethoven.

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Eric The Fruit Bat  Oct 3, 2015 • 6:33:54pm
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darthstar  Oct 3, 2015 • 6:38:44pm

re: #2 William Lewis

Charlie Hunter Trio - Charlie Hunter plays an 8 string (two big bass strings on his guitar)…when I saw him play live I was blown away…add a drummer and a horn and you have a very cool and unique experience.

Charlie Hunter If 6 Was 9

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darthstar  Oct 3, 2015 • 6:43:14pm

BTW, That video I just linked…off the fuckin’ hook good.

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Charles Johnson  Oct 3, 2015 • 6:45:55pm
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William Lewis  Oct 3, 2015 • 6:49:05pm

re: #51 darthstar

NICE, thank you for posting that.

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SteveMcGaziBolaGate  Oct 3, 2015 • 6:49:16pm

I stink at using photos, but Milo reminds me of Bill Pulman’s moron character in Ruthless People.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Oct 3, 2015 • 6:49:33pm

re: #53 Charles Johnson

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Coordination—haven’t you heard of Vagina Dialogues? No man can hear them plot!

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Kragar  Oct 3, 2015 • 6:50:12pm

re: #53 Charles Johnson

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Oct 3, 2015 • 6:51:32pm

re: #55 SteveMcGaziBolaGate

I stink at using photos, but Milo reminds me of Bill Pulman’s moron character in Ruthless People.

“This may be the stupidest person on the face of the Earth.”

“Maybe we should shoot him.”

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teleskiguy  Oct 3, 2015 • 6:53:05pm

This Craigslist post is going viral. Give it a read, maybe have some tissues nearby.

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teleskiguy  Oct 3, 2015 • 6:54:17pm

darthstar, here’s a neat website.

skimap.org

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 3, 2015 • 7:00:57pm

heh

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Charles Johnson  Oct 3, 2015 • 7:06:40pm
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The Vicious Babushka  Oct 3, 2015 • 7:08:40pm

re: #61 Backwoods_Sleuth

heh

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heh heh

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Stanley Sea Toujours  Oct 3, 2015 • 7:09:10pm

YASSSSSSSS Gators!

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Camacho DeezNuts 2016  Oct 3, 2015 • 7:10:56pm

I spent a week down in Oz reading a few books from David Brock. A gay man that rose in the ranks of the conservative intelligentsia.

I wonder how Milo deals with that.

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teleskiguy  Oct 3, 2015 • 7:13:02pm

re: #65 Camacho DeezNuts 2016

I spent a week down in Oz reading a few books from David Brock. A gay man that rose in the ranks of the conservative intelligentsia.

I wonder how Milo deals with that.

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Charles Johnson  Oct 3, 2015 • 7:19:21pm
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Camacho DeezNuts 2016  Oct 3, 2015 • 7:19:32pm

If you’re going to murder your liver at the very least drink something quality.

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Dark_Falcon  Oct 3, 2015 • 7:20:27pm

re: #53 Charles Johnson

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I thought he was supposed to mourn the Downfall of Morals by putting on a costume and singing “The Fall Of Troy”.

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William Lewis  Oct 3, 2015 • 7:23:49pm

re: #61 Backwoods_Sleuth

heh

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That is the best news since I read about Walker’s numbers tanking here in Wisconsin.

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Belafon  Oct 3, 2015 • 7:25:03pm

Will Ryan’s 50 supporters switch to Trump, Bush, or Rubio?

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Higgs Boson's Mate  Oct 3, 2015 • 7:27:41pm

Walker then Rand Paul? Some lucky Republican is going to pick up a couple of carpool’s worth of adherents.

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teleskiguy  Oct 3, 2015 • 7:32:21pm

Four months worth of rain in one day.

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Dark_Falcon  Oct 3, 2015 • 7:41:37pm

re: #71 Belafon

Will Ryan’s 50 supporters switch to Trump, Bush, or Rubio?

Each one will get 25% of Rand’s remaining support, and the last 25% will give up and go get high.

/heh.

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Archangelus  Oct 3, 2015 • 7:43:08pm

re: #20 darthstar

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As it happens, the Hebrew name for the movie in Israel - where many movies often have their local names selected as referencing previous prominent flicks played by the current lead actor, often leading to ridiculousness - translates to “Saving Mark Watney”…

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ipsos  Oct 3, 2015 • 7:43:21pm

re: #74 teleskiguy

Guess where I was supposed to be this weekend? Rhymes with “Barleston” and “Turtle Reach.” Those plans got…er, washed out.

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Joe Bacon  Oct 3, 2015 • 7:44:56pm

re: #65 Camacho DeezNuts 2016

I spent a week down in Oz reading a few books from David Brock. A gay man that rose in the ranks of the conservative intelligentsia.

I wonder how Milo deals with that.

This is how!

Only the finest fruit of the vine for Milo!
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Pawn of the Oppressor  Oct 3, 2015 • 7:45:12pm

re: #2 William Lewis

And hopefully that will keep me from lusting too hard for this …

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amazon.com

I like electric guitar better in the original Klingon.

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William Lewis  Oct 3, 2015 • 7:49:30pm

re: #79 Pawn of the Oppressor

I like electric guitar better in the original Klingon.

Hah! Yeah, a lot of doom and gloom metal played on that type of guitar, isn’t there?

However, this is more my inspiration than that…

Chris Letchford • “Glacial Planet” (HD) • 8-String • Scale the Summit

Though he’s mostly playing 7 string now. If I did go 8 string I’d probably tune it with a low B & a high G with standard tuning between them.

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Stanley Sea Toujours  Oct 3, 2015 • 7:50:12pm

re: #74 teleskiguy

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Four months worth of rain in one day.

My Dad in Myrtle Beach is OK. I called when I saw this photo

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Pawn of the Oppressor  Oct 3, 2015 • 7:54:02pm

re: #51 darthstar

Damn.

The ghost of Jimi Hendrix is there, surely. What’s that thing on the sax that makes it sound like a guitar?? That’s wild 0_0

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The Vicious Babushka  Oct 3, 2015 • 7:55:31pm

Well my son spent several hours making a reverse tornado in the pantry.

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William Lewis  Oct 3, 2015 • 7:56:37pm

re: #83 The Vicious Babushka

Well my son spent several hours making a reverse tornado in the pantry.

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My kitchen needs to be hit by that reverse tornado… O_o

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Dark_Falcon  Oct 3, 2015 • 7:57:09pm

re: #83 The Vicious Babushka

Well my son spent several hours making a reverse tornado in the pantry.

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You have a good son in that fellow.

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Archangelus  Oct 3, 2015 • 7:59:40pm

re: #83 The Vicious Babushka

Well my son spent several hours making a reverse tornado in the pantry.

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No Hummus? Tsk tsk tsk… /

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The Vicious Babushka  Oct 3, 2015 • 8:01:35pm

re: #84 William Lewis

My kitchen needs to be hit by that reverse tornado… O_o

Yeah well my grandson comes with it, he creates tornadoes in rooms that are tidy.

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The Vicious Babushka  Oct 3, 2015 • 8:01:53pm

re: #86 Archangelus

No Hummus? Tsk tsk tsk… /

Hummus is in the fridge, not the pantry!

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A Cranky One  Oct 3, 2015 • 8:02:05pm

re: #83 The Vicious Babushka

Well my son spent several hours making a reverse tornado in the pantry.

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A Cranky One  Oct 3, 2015 • 8:11:30pm

Babysitting the youngest grandkid this weekend. 22 months old, runs everywhere, endless energy. I love my grandkids, but …

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The War TARDIS  Oct 3, 2015 • 8:19:44pm

The Doctor used to have a Radio in the TARDIS.

Then Clara played Mysterious Girl on it. For two weeks. It is now a Clockwork Squirrel.

Peter Andre - “Mysterious Girl” (Official Music Video)

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Dark_Falcon  Oct 3, 2015 • 8:25:49pm

re: #91 The War TARDIS

The Doctor used to have a Radio in the TARDIS.

Then Clara played Mysterious Girl on it. For two weeks. It is now a Clockwork Squirrel.

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She’s not shy, so why didn’t she just flat out tell The Doctor to get to moving his feet? I’m sure he can dance.

WALK THE MOON - Shut up and Dance

/Just having fun with a song I like.

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The War TARDIS  Oct 3, 2015 • 8:29:31pm

Meanwhile, I think I will be calling the Virginia Democratic Party next week.

When the campaign heated up, I was supported by a coalition of “non-establishment” Democrats, while my opponent was supported by the “establishment.” I raised several ethical concerns about my opponent’s response to a whistleblower complaint. The rebuttal from my opponent’s campaign: A mailer, a few days before the primary, that depicted me in a cartoonish fashion, with an angry expression and overgrown facial hair. My son’s reaction: “I can’t believe they made you look like a terrorist.”

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The War TARDIS  Oct 3, 2015 • 8:30:52pm

Another spoiler free line from Tonights Doctor Who.

From Clara:

I left my sunglasses there. And most of my dignity.

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Dark_Falcon  Oct 3, 2015 • 8:38:01pm

re: #93 The War TARDIS

Meanwhile, I think I will be calling the Virginia Democratic Party next week.

And this, folks, is why base voters become hostile to their party’s leadership: Leadership abandoning principal in order to make sure its candidate wins the primary. This sort of thing leaves primary voters feeling used and abused.

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KGxvi  Oct 3, 2015 • 8:45:58pm

re: #46 darthstar

I’m still trying to figure out the appeal of Hillary Clinton to most Democrats. She’s a hawk on foreign policy, she’s more Wall St than Main St on economic issues, she’s questionable on homeland security (god I hate that term). I just don’t get it

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Oct 3, 2015 • 8:46:29pm

BBC reporter interviews an Iranian girl migrant traveling with some blokes from Afghanistan and Iran toward Greece. She leaves him speechless near the end.

No spoilers. Just listen.

bbc.com

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KGxvi  Oct 3, 2015 • 8:52:02pm

The top 10 in college football had a rather interesting weekend. Ohio State and Michigan St, the top two ranked teams struggled but won. #3 Ole Miss lost, so did Notre Dame (#6), UCLA (#7), and Georgia (#8). As a general rule, I root for chaos, and this was one of those weekends

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A Cranky One  Oct 3, 2015 • 9:06:35pm

re: #96 KGxvi

I’m still trying to figure out the appeal of Hillary Clinton to most Democrats. She’s a hawk on foreign policy, she’s more Wall St than Main St on economic issues, she’s questionable on homeland security (god I hate that term). I just don’t get it

While there are negatives with Hillary, there are a number of positives.
She’s smart and understands politics. She has a lot of relevant experience and doesn’t rattle easily. She has fought the right wing and understands how to engage them.

Most important, she isn’t a science denying ideologue who wants to force a Christian theocracy on the country. And her election would prevent the Supreme Court from being filled with more Scalia clones.

Is she a perfect candidate? Nope. But considering the alternative, what would you suggest we do?

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Big Beautiful Door  Oct 3, 2015 • 9:07:51pm

re: #96 KGxvi

I’m still trying to figure out the appeal of Hillary Clinton to most Democrats. She’s a hawk on foreign policy, she’s more Wall St than Main St on economic issues, she’s questionable on homeland security (god I hate that term). I just don’t get it

She isn’t an unelectable 74 year old socialist.

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KGxvi  Oct 3, 2015 • 9:09:47pm

re: #99 A Cranky One

I’m just surprised that she became the default choice and nobody wanted to challenge her for the nomination.

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Belafon  Oct 3, 2015 • 9:11:33pm

re: #101 KGxvi

I’m just surprised that she became the default choice and nobody wanted to challenge her for the nomination.

That’s why she’s running unopposed.

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teleskiguy  Oct 3, 2015 • 9:13:35pm

re: #96 KGxvi

Fuckin’ hell!

This comment rubs me the wrong way. You’re never going to get exactly what you want with politics in the United States on a national level. If not Hillary, then who? Bernie Sanders?!? How about one of the Republicans running for the presidency?!? Get your head out of your ass! Realism and pragmatism is direly needed by everyone in the United States that doesn’t call themselves ‘conservative.’ I’m not the biggest fan of Hillary, but I’ll vote for her. She’s better than the Republican alternative.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Oct 3, 2015 • 9:14:43pm

Personally speaking, I’d like HRC to win if only to twist the knife in the right-wing’s side. First, a black guy wins the WH twice, then a woman. Talk about turning their world upside down.

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The War TARDIS  Oct 3, 2015 • 9:18:54pm

re: #100 Big Beautiful Door

And somebody who in the last week told people following him to donate to him instead of the Democrats at large. You know, the people who need to win in Congress.

He makes enemies on his own side, for heaven’s sake.

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teleskiguy  Oct 3, 2015 • 9:19:22pm

I really don’t understand the Hillary Hate™ coming from so-called progressives. It’s shooting one self in the foot as far as I’m concerned. The Democrats need to coalesce around their candidate sooner rather than later. In-fighting within the party weakens every Democratic voter’s resolve. Look at the fucking alternative. President Carson. President Trump. President Bush.

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No Depression  Oct 3, 2015 • 9:19:46pm

I have a feeling that wingnuts are gonna be OUTRAGED!1!!!!!1!!! about tonight’s SNL. They’re getting a lot of material from the GOP race.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Oct 3, 2015 • 9:20:34pm

re: #107 No Depression

I have a feeling that wingnuts are gonna be OUTRAGED!1!!!!!1!!! about tonight’s SNL. They’re getting a lot of material from the GOP race.

Do wingnuts even watch SNL?

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Belafon  Oct 3, 2015 • 9:21:48pm

re: #106 teleskiguy

I really don’t understand the Hillary HateTM coming from so-called progressives. It’s shooting one self in the foot as far as I’m concerned. The Democrats need to coalesce around their candidate sooner rather than later. In-fighting within the party weakens every Democratic voter’s resolve. Look at the fucking alternative. President Carson. President Trump. President Bush.

I’m not too worried. The core was pretty well split in 2008, and we didn’t have any trouble coming together after the primaries were over. Most Democrats support the nominee.

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KGxvi  Oct 3, 2015 • 9:21:58pm

re: #103 teleskiguy

Hillary is probably the least bad option in my opinion. I get the need for realism and pragmatism in politics. Again, I just don’t understand why there’s nobody else that wanted to run.

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Big Beautiful Door  Oct 3, 2015 • 9:23:06pm

re: #110 KGxvi

Hillary is probably the least bad option in my opinion. I get the need for realism and pragmatism in politics. Again, I just don’t understand why there’s nobody else that wanted to run.

The Democratic bench has been thinned by all the election losses in 2010 and 2014.

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BeachDem  Oct 3, 2015 • 9:24:04pm

re: #81 Stanley Sea Toujours

My Dad in Myrtle Beach is OK. I called when I saw this photo

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Hope my house is still there when I get back! And here I am in the Pacific northwest, and it’s sunny and bright and crisp and fall. And aside from the fact that I’ve been at work today since 5:45 this morning and will be here until 9:45 tonight (yay—just another 20 minutes!) all is well.

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Higgs Boson's Mate  Oct 3, 2015 • 9:26:50pm

re: #106 teleskiguy

Other than the PUMAs and the Hillary is 42 types, people did coalesce around Obama fairly early. If this is a do-or-die election I’d prefer a candidate who can bring me to my feet once in a while.

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teleskiguy  Oct 3, 2015 • 9:28:23pm

re: #110 KGxvi

When you make arguments like “Hillary is the lesser of two evils” and “Our candidate needs to adhere to total anti-war and they need to go after those Wall St. fat cats or else!” (I know that’s not exactly what you said, I’m being crude here) I see a utopian dudebro who has a tenuous grasp of politics on a national level in the United States.

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CleverToad  Oct 3, 2015 • 9:30:01pm

Totally OT, my daily dose of cute — much needed after a discouraging week in politics and tragedies.Twin great-nephews born last night: tiny at 35 weeks but doing okay so far; their sister was still-born at 39 weeks, last December. Keeping my fingers crossed for these downy little miracles.

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The War TARDIS  Oct 3, 2015 • 9:30:07pm

re: #114 teleskiguy

Or a tenuous grasp on politics period.

I admit I don’t see the need to play nice with politics.

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No Depression  Oct 3, 2015 • 9:30:47pm

re: #108 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

Do wingnuts even watch SNL?

I’m sure some do. And even if they don’t, they’ll probably hear about it because Hillary made an appearance. Cue the cries of the librul media conspiring to make her President.

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Stanley Sea Toujours  Oct 3, 2015 • 9:32:04pm

re: #97 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

BBC reporter interviews an Iranian girl migrant traveling with some blokes from Afghanistan and Iran toward Greece. She leaves him speechless near the end.

No spoilers. Just listen.

bbc.com

I’m the only one who listened? Listen to this.

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Stanley Sea Toujours  Oct 3, 2015 • 9:32:57pm

re: #98 KGxvi

The top 10 in college football had a rather interesting weekend. Ohio State and Michigan St, the top two ranked teams struggled but won. #3 Ole Miss lost, so did Notre Dame (#6), UCLA (#7), and Georgia (#8). As a general rule, I root for chaos, and this was one of those weekends

GATORS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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SteveMcGaziBolaGate  Oct 3, 2015 • 9:33:48pm

re: #116 The War TARDIS

Or a tenuous grasp on politics period.

I admit I don’t see the need to play nice with politics.

There is a need. You should find it. Doesn’t mean you can’t throw spitballs, but there are people who differ with you who don’t necessarily merit them. Anytime you don’t see something, remind yourself to look harder. For your own sake.

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Stanley Sea Toujours  Oct 3, 2015 • 9:35:26pm

re: #112 BeachDem

Hope my house is still there when I get back! And here I am in the Pacific northwest, and it’s sunny and bright and crisp and fall. And aside from the fact that I’ve been at work today since 5:45 this morning and will be here until 9:45 tonight (yay—just another 20 minutes!) all is well.

My Dad laughed. They had no problems. Hope your place is fine……

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Stanley Sea Toujours  Oct 3, 2015 • 9:36:50pm

re: #115 CleverToad

Totally OT, my daily dose of cute — much needed after a discouraging week in politics and tragedies.Twin great-nephews born last night: tiny at 35 weeks but doing okay so far; their sister was still-born at 39 weeks, last December. Keeping my fingers crossed for these downy little miracles.

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Thoughts, blessings & hope!

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Stanley Sea Toujours  Oct 3, 2015 • 9:37:20pm

re: #115 CleverToad

Totally OT, my daily dose of cute — much needed after a discouraging week in politics and tragedies.Twin great-nephews born last night: tiny at 35 weeks but doing okay so far; their sister was still-born at 39 weeks, last December. Keeping my fingers crossed for these downy little miracles.

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Plus, tons of hair!

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SteveMcGaziBolaGate  Oct 3, 2015 • 9:38:32pm

The way I view Hilary Clinton’s campaign is that I’m going to hold my nose and vote for her. It won’t be an enthusiastic vote like I cast for President Obama (twice, this republican is proud to say), but it has to be done. There will be scandals and screw ups in her administration. The thing I worry most is that she won’t motivate people to get out to the polls. Never take Democratic turnout for granted.

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Stanley Sea Toujours  Oct 3, 2015 • 9:38:38pm

Spent my day on audible. Checking in & going back. See ya.

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KGxvi  Oct 3, 2015 • 9:39:13pm

re: #114 teleskiguy

I’m not trying to be a dudebro. Nor am I a utopian. I’m just at a loss for why Clinton is in the position she is in. I suppose it’s like re: #111 Big Beautiful Door said, a thinned field.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Oct 3, 2015 • 9:39:51pm

re: #117 No Depression

I’m sure some do. And even if they don’t, they’ll probably hear about it because Hillary made an appearance. Cue the cries of the librul media conspiring to make her President.

Like when Nixon said “Sock it to me” on Laugh-In?

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teleskiguy  Oct 3, 2015 • 9:39:51pm

A side effect of the migrant crisis in Europe that is often overlooked.

Mytilene (Greece) (AFP) - For the thousands of refugees and migrants landing on its beaches every day, Greece’s Lesbos island is a step to safety and a brighter future in Europe.

But the continent’s biggest migration challenge since World War II is now presenting an unexpected environmental headache: what to do with the vast heaps of lifejackets and inflatable boats left behind by the arrivals?

On the beach of Skala Sikaminias on Lesbos’ northern coast, a key landing point for migrants, a group of municipal employees are loading discarded jackets and dinghies on a truck.

“We’ve barely finished when it’s time to start all over again,” sighs Yiorgos Katsanos, the deputy mayor in charge of waste management.

The city has mobilised 12 additional staff to handle the overload and sends two trucks and a crane to clear the beaches every day.

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Stanley Sea Toujours  Oct 3, 2015 • 9:39:53pm

Like there will be no scandals & shit in a Bush admin? A fucking Trump admin?

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Oct 3, 2015 • 9:40:10pm

re: #118 Stanley Sea Toujours

I’m the only one who listened? Listen to this.

Inorite?

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The War TARDIS  Oct 3, 2015 • 9:40:38pm

re: #126 KGxvi

Which would not have been a problem if a) the people whining about Clinton actually voted in 2010 and 2014 instead being in a snit because they didn’t get a sparkly pony and b) If people my age had actually gone out and bothered to vote.

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Belafon  Oct 3, 2015 • 9:40:52pm

re: #126 KGxvi

I’m not trying to be a dudebro. Nor am I a utopian. I’m just at a loss for why Clinton is in the position she is in. I suppose it’s like said, a thinned field.

Think about it this way: In 2008, it took a person with campaign skills equal to her husbands to beat her. There are a lot of people that have always liked her. She came really, really close to winning last time, and that was with Mark Penn running things.

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teleskiguy  Oct 3, 2015 • 9:41:40pm

re: #126 KGxvi

Suggest some alternatives then! We’re all ears here. Here, I’ll start: John Hickenlooper, governor of Colorado, he’s a fantastic centrist.

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Jenner7  Oct 3, 2015 • 9:41:45pm

re: #124 SteveMcGaziBolaGate

The thing I worry most is that she won’t motivate people to get out to the polls. Never take Democratic turnout for granted.

Yes. This. I worry too. And we need better leadership at the DNC.

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SteveMcGaziBolaGate  Oct 3, 2015 • 9:42:56pm

re: #129 Stanley Sea Toujours

Like there will be no scandals & shit in a Bush admin? A fucking Trump admin?

We’ve enjoyed a pretty scandal-free eight years, and going back to reality will be harsh. Hilary Clinton is definitely not a true captain like Barack Obama is.

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EmmaAnne  Oct 3, 2015 • 9:42:58pm

re: #96 KGxvi

I’m still trying to figure out the appeal of Hillary Clinton to most Democrats. She’s a hawk on foreign policy, she’s more Wall St than Main St on economic issues, she’s questionable on homeland security (god I hate that term). I just don’t get it

I should probably put together a page on this, because I like her a lot and I always have, but I have a lot of half remembered events and details in my head and I don’t want to wing it and get things wrong. I will just say for now that she has always been a stalwart feminist, and that is the issue dearest to my heart. She also has been as tough as anyone I have ever seen in public life. She had the most horrible shit thrown at her for eight years when Bill was president and she just did not give up or let it stop her. She might have to compromise or retreat or roll with the punches, but she will never be intimidated or pushed around.

I guess in a politician I want someone who has my back on the most fundamental stuff and who has the will and the temperament to get done what is possible in the circumstances.

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Brian J.  Oct 3, 2015 • 9:44:30pm

re: #126 KGxvi

I think it’s pretty clear- she’s got a resume no one can match, positions that pretty closely match Obama’s and are mainstream Democratic positions, for good and for ill, and the confidence to go after the White House in a world where female ambition is still taboo. There are so many Democratic office holders who are just so passive-aggressive and eager to insinuate and criticize behind a shield of anonymity.

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SteveMcGaziBolaGate  Oct 3, 2015 • 9:47:17pm

re: #132 Belafon

Think about it this way: In 2008, it took a person with campaign skills equal to her husbands to beat her. There are a lot of people that have always liked her. She came really, really close to winning last time, and that was with Mark Penn running things.

Everywhere she went, her numbers went down. She was reduced to trying to trash Obama, rather than do anything to construct her image. Barack Obama ran a very optimistic campaign and overcame what should have been campaign-ending “scandals”. In 2008, I don’t remember a single redeeming quality about Hilary Clinton. Can anybody remember one?

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Belafon  Oct 3, 2015 • 9:50:00pm

re: #138 SteveMcGaziBolaGate

She fought for universal health care under her husband. She fought for women’s rights as a senator. Two off the top of my head.

I liked Obama better in 2008. I like Clinton better than the rest of the field now.

Edit: And I will enthusiastically vote for whoever is the Democratic nominee, unless it’s Chafee or the Dixicrat (can’t think of his name right now).

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teleskiguy  Oct 3, 2015 • 9:50:20pm

ALL HAIL PRESIDENT TRUMP!

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SteveMcGaziBolaGate  Oct 3, 2015 • 9:51:59pm

How about that Senate voting record? She had that one opportunity to cast a critical, courageous vote, but chickened out. She had such a resume, but was reduced to pimping her foreign policy cred on an easily (and embarrassingly so) refuted sniper fire incident. The President wanted her near, but not too close.
Yeah, I’ll vote for her. Whoop de dam doo

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Belafon  Oct 3, 2015 • 9:52:00pm

re: #140 teleskiguy

ALL HAIL PRESIDENT TRUMP!

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I will support Trump if he promises to fire failing states.

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Higgs Boson's Mate  Oct 3, 2015 • 9:55:07pm

re: #139 Belafon

She shot herself in the foot with the healthcare bill by attempting to make the entire development of the proposal opaque. That angered some Democrats as well as Republicans. The whole mess led to a court fight in which her husband attempted to invoke executive privilege for her work.

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SteveMcGaziBolaGate  Oct 3, 2015 • 9:56:22pm

re: #139 Belafon

That fight for health care was such a screw up you can’t give her points for it. It was the ultimate in political incompetence. And her fight for womens’ rights? I must have missed all the progress she made. A female Democrat fighting for womens’ rights is not exactly a profile in courage. And, BTW, courage is something she doesn’t have. Why does Bill still have a penis?

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Belafon  Oct 3, 2015 • 9:57:46pm
I must have missed all the progress she made.

Please please show me all the progress Sanders has made on his socialist issues.

A female Democrat fighting for womens’ rights is not exactly a profile in courage

As a male, I’m just going to say Fuck You.

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Brian J.  Oct 3, 2015 • 9:58:01pm

re: #138 SteveMcGaziBolaGate

That’s your current disdain for Hillary overwriting history. Hillary won primary after primary in April and May 2008. Even on the night Obama clinched, she won the South Dakota primary.

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CleverToad  Oct 3, 2015 • 9:58:58pm

re: #123 Stanley Sea Toujours

Fluffy little boogers, aren’t they? My son was born with hair just like that, like a little dandelion. (Can’t believe he turned 17 this week, and is slightly alarmed that he’s only a year away from adulthood. He’ll be old enough to vote in the 2016 election, and you can bet Mama’s gonna make sure he gets his little arse registered in time to do it.)

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makeitstop  Oct 3, 2015 • 9:59:33pm

We were hanging out in the basement tonight when we discovered wet carpeting in one corner - the corner where I store my guitars. These refugees are in the spare bedroom while a dozen wet gig bags dry out.

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SteveMcGaziBolaGate  Oct 3, 2015 • 10:01:23pm

I appreciate your efforts to make me optimistic about Hilary Clinton. I really do. I said I’ll vote for her. Don’t ask me to like it, and realize that the next eight years are going to be a lot rougher than the last eight years. I’ve been watching how she works and how she ticks for over 20 years. and the six years she spent at the State Department don’t exactly wow me like they do other people. I think my opinions about her are pretty well founded.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Oct 3, 2015 • 10:02:07pm

re: #148 makeitstop

We were hanging out in the basement tonight when we discovered wet carpeting in one corner - the corner where I store my guitars. These refugees are in the spare bedroom while a dozen wet gig bags dry out.

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That’s an impressive collection.

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SteveMcGaziBolaGate  Oct 3, 2015 • 10:02:18pm

re: #145 Belafon

Please please show me all the progress Sanders has made on his socialist issues.

As a male, I’m just going to say Fuck You.

I’m not going to dignify that.

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Brian J.  Oct 3, 2015 • 10:02:55pm

re: #149 SteveMcGaziBolaGate

I’m just mystified at the way you’ve internalized all the Republicans’ bullshit memes, even knowing that they’re bullshit (as your username indicates).

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teleskiguy  Oct 3, 2015 • 10:04:03pm

re: #149 SteveMcGaziBolaGate

the six years she spent at the State Department don’t exactly wow me like they do other people.

SHE ERASED ALL HER EMAILS! SHE NEEDS TO GO TO PRISON!

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teleskiguy  Oct 3, 2015 • 10:05:53pm

Area centrist thinks Hillary is a lying fuckin’ cheat who isn’t qualified to run a McDonald’s fry station.

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SteveMcGaziBolaGate  Oct 3, 2015 • 10:07:49pm

re: #146 Brian J.

That’s your current disdain for Hillary overwriting history. Hillary won primary after primary in April and May 2008. Even on the night Obama clinched, she won the South Dakota primary.

I live in PA and changed parties to vote for Barack Obama in April 2008. There were six weeks of campaigning, uninterrupted by other primaries. At the beginning of those six weeks, Clinton had a 20+ point lead over Obama. That was a typical pattern, whenever the two had a competitive primary, her numbers always went down. On election night she won by only 8%. And you’re seriously going to tell me that South Dakota was a win for Clinton? It’s a red state that was going to vote for the white candidate. She can have those delegates and choke on them.
Seriously, can anybody remember what positive features she ran on once the race got competitive? Anybody want a piece of that Iraq vote?

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Oct 3, 2015 • 10:09:54pm

re: #152 Brian J.

I’m just mystified at the way you’ve internalized all the Republicans’ bullshit memes, even knowing that they’re bullshit (as your username indicates).

QFT

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makeitstop  Oct 3, 2015 • 10:10:37pm

re: #150 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

That’s an impressive collection.

Thanks. I love ‘em all.

There are another 18 that are in hard shell cases and didn’t get wet. They’re currently occupying the living room.

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teleskiguy  Oct 3, 2015 • 10:14:38pm

re: #155 SteveMcGaziBolaGate

Vote for the fuckin’ Republican ticket then. It’s sure to be less damaging than scandal-ridden Hillary who has done nothing in her political career.

Fuckin’ jackass.

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SteveMcGaziBolaGate  Oct 3, 2015 • 10:15:02pm

re: #152 Brian J.

I’m just mystified at the way you’ve internalized all the Republicans’ bullshit memes, even knowing that they’re bullshit (as your username indicates).

Yeah, I’m a republicen (yippee). I don’t think I’ve internalized any of their crap. I ain’t voting for them. The last Republican Presidential candidate I voted for was H in 1992. The last major R vote was Arlen Spector. The last local R was Thatcher Longsteth for Phila City Council. So I’m a RINO, hoping to get a chance to vote against Pat aaToomey in a primary, but it seems like he’ll either run unopposed or get a tea party challenger, in which case I have to wait until November. But I take the Republican candidates BS as a given, so I don’t really have much to say about them. This is a chance for Democrats to step up, but all we’re getting is Hilary Clinton.
I’ve always admired Joe Biden, but I don’t think he ever ran a good campaign on the national level. Great in debates, but generally ran a distant third or worse.

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William Lewis  Oct 3, 2015 • 10:19:45pm

re: #148 makeitstop

Nice Dobro.

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SteveMcGaziBolaGate  Oct 3, 2015 • 10:21:12pm

What the hell is this site coming to? You can’t have a discussion without everybody cursing just because they can’t come up with an articulate discussion. I’ve been seeing this for a couple of weeks now even from people I’ve been able to talk to in the past. Will somebody explain to me how I’ve “internalized” the Republican BS (what does that even mean)? People are putting words in my mouth that I never said, arguing against points I don’t make. And when I ask a simple question, like what positive things does anybody remember about her in 2008, I get met instead with profanity instead of discussion. Try to remember that people who can’t argue resort to profanity. It is a refuge of the idiot. We’re voting for the President of the freaking USA. Is it too much to expect the likely winner to be more than the least bad choice? Or does that merit another fuck you.

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teleskiguy  Oct 3, 2015 • 10:21:38pm

I don’t talk politics with my father anymore. Last time I did I brought up Hillary and how I was going to vote for her and he brought up the same shit SteveMcG is bringing up tonight (and worse, “She’s a murderer!” he yelled at me). It’s all bullshit, and it’s bad for ya.

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teleskiguy  Oct 3, 2015 • 10:24:39pm

How about some KITTEH?

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Higgs Boson's Mate  Oct 3, 2015 • 10:24:48pm

re: #148 makeitstop

I take it that your National Steel is in the other room.

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Jenner7  Oct 3, 2015 • 10:25:43pm

re: #144 SteveMcGaziBolaGate

I think SCHIP makes up for her “incompetence”.

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SteveMcGaziBolaGate  Oct 3, 2015 • 10:26:41pm

re: #162 teleskiguy

You’re not exactly making an effort to address points I make. I never said anything like “She’s a murderer” and I never will. Are you saying it is impossible to have a discussion outside of an echo chamber? Hilary Clinton is flawed. Barack Obama is flawed. Republicans are trash. Look around you. Why does Bernie Sanders even have a campaign at all? Don’t curse at me if you can’t come up with anything to say on her behalf. It isn’t my fault she’s incompetent.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Oct 3, 2015 • 10:26:54pm
Here’s my contribution for the evening, from the WWII museum in New Orleans.
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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Oct 3, 2015 • 10:28:14pm

This comment is not addressed to anyone and does not seek to make points about anything.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Oct 3, 2015 • 10:28:20pm

For you shutterbugs, this guy takes photos of the vintage cameras a group of Tokyo-based photogs use in their work.

bbc.com

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SteveMcGaziBolaGate  Oct 3, 2015 • 10:29:06pm

re: #165 Jenner7

I think SCHIP makes up for her “incompetence”.

Was that really so hard? (It probably was)

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Jenner7  Oct 3, 2015 • 10:29:22pm

re: #161 SteveMcGaziBolaGate

I don’t let primaries ruin candidates for me. What she has done all her life is more important than what she did last campaign. She made mistakes. Obama made none. He had a flawless campaign.

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William Lewis  Oct 3, 2015 • 10:31:57pm

Hey guitar people, anyone here tried the Epiphone Casino Coupe? It’s a smaller (es-339 sized) take on the classic hollow body Casino. I feel gas coming on for real… :)

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freetoken  Oct 3, 2015 • 10:33:00pm

re: #171 Jenner7

I don’t let primaries ruin candidates for me. What she has done all her life is more important than what she did last campaign. She made mistakes. Obama made none. He had a flawless campaign.

Maybe. Maybe people just vote for the person they like. And that is a visceral thing, and looks play a part in it.

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teleskiguy  Oct 3, 2015 • 10:33:42pm

re: #166 SteveMcGaziBolaGate

What do you want me to say? “Hillary fuckin’ sucks”? “She’s never done anything in her life”?

I never said *you* said that she’s a murderer. Talk about putting words in people’s mouth. Fuckin’ christ.

I think she’s wholly competent to be president. You don’t and yet you’ll vote for her because the alternative is worse. I can respect that. However, your critiques of her ring hollow. It’s RWNJ boilerplate nonsense.

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EmmaAnne  Oct 3, 2015 • 10:34:57pm

re: #161 SteveMcGaziBolaGate

What the hell is this site coming to? You can’t have a discussion without everybody cursing just because they can’t come up with an articulate discussion. I’ve been seeing this for a couple of weeks now even from people I’ve been able to talk to in the past. Will somebody explain to me how I’ve “internalized” the Republican BS (what does that even mean)? People are putting words in my mouth that I never said, arguing against points I don’t make. And when I ask a simple question, like what positive things does anybody remember about her in 2008, I get met instead with profanity instead of discussion. Try to remember that people who can’t argue resort to profanity. It is a refuge of the idiot. We’re voting for the President of the freaking USA. Is it too much to expect the likely winner to be more than the least bad choice? Or does that merit another fuck you.

Teleskiguy might have used more bad words, but I found your comment at 144 to be considerably more dismissive of other posters here. Especially this:

And, BTW, courage is something she doesn’t have. Why does Bill still have a penis?

People have been discussing things they like and appreciate about Hillary. You just don’t think they count.

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makeitstop  Oct 3, 2015 • 10:39:07pm

re: #164 Higgs Boson’s Mate

I take it that your National Steel is in the other room.

I wish I had one. :)

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Higgs Boson's Mate  Oct 3, 2015 • 10:39:16pm

Clinton had best get some damned good advice on how to put the email business behind her once and for all. I’d suggest the best brains at the DNC, but there aren’t any. The number of voters who regard her as honest and trustworthy has steadily declined since the story broke. The election is a long way off to be sure though I would suggest that sooner is better than later.

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SteveMcGaziBolaGate  Oct 3, 2015 • 10:39:41pm

re: #171 Jenner7

I disagree about the importance of her last campaign. It was the most important race of her life. There should have been nothing left in the bag, but it turned out there wasn’t much in the bag. The lifetime of accomplishment was never discussed. She was a lawyer. She was a first lady. She won a noncompetitive Senate seat. She had one crucial vote while sitting in that seat and chickened out. She should have trounced young Senator Obama with that lifetime of achievements, but all she gave us was Snipergate, white skin, and Reverend Wright.
I’m just as worried as everybody else about a Republican President picking SC justices, ditching treaties, and relaxing regulations (for starters). But I think it’s more than fair to argue that Hilary Clinton is running a lousy campaign (again) and can blow this race. I argue that you can’t count on Democrats turning out to vote. People also keep forgetting about voter ID laws that will render many polls meaningless. Somebody has got to get her off her butt and start running a campaign that can win.

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Higgs Boson's Mate  Oct 3, 2015 • 10:42:44pm

re: #176 makeitstop

I wish I had one. :)

Heard Johnny Winter play one at the Gasworks in Houston a few lifetimes ago. Different sound and Johnny was able to make the most of it.

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makeitstop  Oct 3, 2015 • 10:43:49pm

re: #172 William Lewis

Hey guitar people, anyone here tried the Epiphone Casino Coupe? It’s a smaller (es-339 sized) take on the classic hollow body Casino. I feel gas coming on for real… :)

Haven’t tried one, but I do like the idea of a 339-size body.

I’m about to sell off a few guitars to finance one better guitar. Maybe I’ll take a look at one of those.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Oct 3, 2015 • 10:44:33pm

re: #178 SteveMcGaziBolaGate

I disagree about the importance of her last campaign. It was the most important race of her life. There should have been nothing left in the bag, but it turned out there wasn’t much in the bag. The lifetime of accomplishment was never discussed. She was a lawyer. She was a first lady. She won a noncompetitive Senate seat. She had one crucial vote while sitting in that seat and chickened out. She should have trounced young Senator Obama with that lifetime of achievements, but all she gave us was Snipergate, white skin, and Reverend Wright.
I’m just as worried as everybody else about a Republican President picking SC justices, ditching treaties, and relaxing regulations (for starters). But I think it’s more than fair to argue that Hilary Clinton is running a lousy campaign (again) and can blow this race. I argue that you can’t count on Democrats turning out to vote. People also keep forgetting about voter ID laws that will render many polls meaningless. Somebody has got to get her off her butt and start running a campaign that can win.

I still believe HRC is just treading water until a clear winner of the GOP nomination emerges. Once she has a definite opponent, I expect she will pull out the stops and be more aggressive. The GOP candidates are doing a fine job on their own of discrediting their parrty.

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Jenner7  Oct 3, 2015 • 10:45:00pm

re: #178 SteveMcGaziBolaGate

I honestly believe, and this is just my opinion, is she thought she had the nomination locked. And here comes Obama and they flailed. She wasn’t ready and we are better for it because we got Obama.

I do worry about her campaign and the DNC getting people excited to vote. Especially since the media loves to show us how “unlikeable” Hillary is.

It’s still early. Everyone needs to calm down. And believe me, I tell myself this too. I panicked last month when she blew a presser on the emails.

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SteveMcGaziBolaGate  Oct 3, 2015 • 10:45:26pm

re: #174 teleskiguy

I notice you won’t counter a single point, you just call it RWNJ boilerplate. You’re welcome to hide in your own little world, but what has she done to make you think she can win? It’s easy for liberals to chalk up Bengazi stuff as BS, but the fact is that she is underperforming. Take this email fiasco. Can anybody come up with a good argument why she couldn’t use government servers to conduct the affairs of state? I know it wasn’t illegal, and I know other people have done it too, but all that does is mitigate her screw up.

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Higgs Boson's Mate  Oct 3, 2015 • 10:46:04pm

I’m just looking forward to the Democratic debates. Just think of it; two white candidates with 141 years of experience between them battling for the crucial votes of youth and people of color.

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Jenner7  Oct 3, 2015 • 10:48:32pm

re: #183 SteveMcGaziBolaGate

If it wasn’t illegal and others did it, how did she screw up?

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teleskiguy  Oct 3, 2015 • 10:50:47pm

I’m not too worried. With all the nativist crap and all the anti-woman BS spewing out of Republicans these days they’re going to have a real hard time courting votes by women and minorites. That said, I am worried about people’s perception of the presumptive Democratic nominee. “She’s incompetent.” “She’s a chickenhawk.” “Her administration will be scandal-ridden.”

If you think that, vote for the goddamn opposition and see how that works out.

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freetoken  Oct 3, 2015 • 10:50:49pm

re: #178 SteveMcGaziBolaGate

I’ve stated before, but will repeat myself - as near as I can tell, what it means to be a Democrat today is “I’m not a Republican”.

And that’s about it.

I believe I know why - because the coalitions that have worked for Democratic Party candidates for decades are increasingly at odds with each other. There isn’t really much of a binding central belief system, other than “We’re not Republicans.”

Environmentalists are in opposition to many things some unions may want, in this case I’m thinking of those associated with the automobile culture.

Way back with Roosevelt/Truman the unifying theme was to make America work again, given the Depression.

And that structure worked for decades.

Then along came Civil Rights and the Democratic party split, with the more atavistic elements ending up in the Republican party.

Then everyone who had voted for FDR and Truman died off.

Reagan won in a landslide, over a Democratic sitting President who nearly everyone acknowledged was a nice guy.

Think about that for a moment.

Why did Reagan really win?

My suspicions are that Obama won for the same basic reasons that Reagan won - because enough people just liked him.

For all the words written by pundits, perhaps the personality of the person is really what counts.

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Higgs Boson's Mate  Oct 3, 2015 • 10:53:16pm

re: #185 Jenner7

If it wasn’t illegal and others did it, how did she screw up?

I’d say that with all of the flak she’d taken already that she would know that her actions would be held to “Caesar’s Wife” standards and so kept her email on government servers. Clinton’s big headache with this story is that it fits right in with some people’s preconceived notions about the Clintons. It was an unforced error that she handled very poorly in the aftermath.

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SteveMcGaziBolaGate  Oct 3, 2015 • 10:54:43pm

re: #175 EmmaAnne

It isn’t that I don’t think they count, but the examples of courage aren’t convincing. Her career is a model of expedience. Like i said, a female Democrat advocating for womens’ rights isn’t really unheard of. Where did she take on her own party, that might be an example. Maybe she should have challenged the President against the Iraq War resolution. Nope, no courage there. Maybe she should have taken on Wall Street. Nope, no courage there.
What I am arguing is that she has to try harder. Being the inevitable nominee isn’t automatically going to win the election in November. This is her chance to rise up and meet a challenge, and she isn’t doing anything. It’s the expedient thing to do, because Bernie isn’t going to win much and Biden won’t run, but the expedient race isn’t going to make her a great candidate. It isn’t too much to ask that somebody try harder, except around here.

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teleskiguy  Oct 3, 2015 • 10:56:44pm

re: #189 SteveMcGaziBolaGate

It isn’t that I don’t think they count, but the examples of courage aren’t convincing. Her career is a model of expedience. Like i said, a female Democrat advocating for womens’ rights isn’t really unheard of. Where did she take on her own party, that might be an example. Maybe she should have challenged the President against the Iraq War resolution. Nope, no courage there. Maybe she should have taken on Wall Street. Nope, no courage there.
What I am arguing is that she has to try harder. Being the inevitable nominee isn’t automatically going to win the election in November. This is her chance to rise up and meet a challenge, and she isn’t doing anything. It’s the expedient thing to do, because Bernie isn’t going to win much and Biden won’t run, but the expedient race isn’t going to make her a great candidate. It isn’t too much to ask that somebody try harder, except around here.

This was a perfectly alright comment, worthy of an upding maybe. Until the bolded part.

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A Cranky One  Oct 3, 2015 • 11:01:10pm

re: #51 darthstar

Charlie Hunter Trio - Charlie Hunter plays an 8 string (two big bass strings on his guitar)…when I saw him play live I was blown away…add a drummer and a horn and you have a very cool and unique experience.

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Video

Just got around to listening to this.
Looks like a 9 string to me. Standard guitar and 3 bass strings.
He plays the bass line and all the guitar riffs simultaneously. Wow.
Thanks for posting that.

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SteveMcGaziBolaGate  Oct 3, 2015 • 11:01:23pm

re: #185 Jenner7

If it wasn’t illegal and others did it, how did she screw up?

Do I really have to answer this (channeling Cecile Richards)? 1. Using a private server to conduct affairs of state is stupid (or is that really up for debate). 2. She knows her every move is going to be scrutinized, so doing something stupid is stupid. 3. Just because the other fools didn’t pay a political price doesn’t mean you get to screw up for free.
So other than “well he did it too”, is that really the best you can do? (Now channeling Jack Nicholson) Please tell me we have something better than a “others did it too” defense to decide the fate of the free world.

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Jenner7  Oct 3, 2015 • 11:04:30pm

re: #189 SteveMcGaziBolaGate

This is her chance to rise up and meet a challenge, and she isn’t doing anything.

What should she be doing?

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Oct 3, 2015 • 11:04:39pm

Well, I just finished processing photos for a friend (who we visited on the most recent trip) and now am getting them uploaded.

The toddler is 4 months old in one set, and three in the other. I hope she doesn’t mind.

(I can be a little slow.)

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Oct 3, 2015 • 11:05:26pm

But I have to say, I did pull off some cute photos.

Not that I will post them, because other people’s children. But I am hoping she will like them.

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Jenner7  Oct 3, 2015 • 11:06:48pm

re: #192 SteveMcGaziBolaGate

1. Using a private server to conduct affairs of state is stupid (or is that really up for debate)

I don’t know, why don’t you ask the Pentagon?

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SteveMcGaziBolaGate  Oct 3, 2015 • 11:11:03pm

re: #187 freetoken

I’ve stated before, but will repeat myself - as near as I can tell, what it means to be a Democrat today is “I’m not a Republican”.

And that’s about it.

- I hear ya. I’m staying in just in case I get a chance to vote for somebody worthhile in a primary. (PA is a closed primary). It hasn’t happened lately, but hope springs eternal.

I believe I know why - because the coalitions that have worked for Democratic Party candidates for decades are increasingly at odds with each other. There isn’t really much of a binding central belief system, other than “We’re not Republicans.”

Environmentalists are in opposition to many things some unions may want, in this case I’m thinking of those associated with the automobile culture.

Way back with Roosevelt/Truman the unifying theme was to make America work again, given the Depression.

And that structure worked for decades.

Then along came Civil Rights and the Democratic party split, with the more atavistic elements ending up in the Republican party.

Then everyone who had voted for FDR and Truman died off.

Reagan won in a landslide, over a Democratic sitting President who nearly everyone acknowledged was a nice guy.

Think about that for a moment.

Why did Reagan really win?

My suspicions are that Obama won for the same basic reasons that Reagan won - because enough people just liked him.

For all the words written by pundits, perhaps the personality of the person is really what counts.

My contribution to the why did Reagan win theory is to agree with you that he appealed to people’s noble ideas of America. He would have won anyway, but the fact that people were so turned off by President Carter made it a landslide. Carter gets a bad rap and does get some vindication by history, but the reasons he won in 76 were Gerald Ford and Watergate.

You know, there are a lot of similarities between Reagan and Obama. That might be an idea for a page, and probably for another day.

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Higgs Boson's Mate  Oct 3, 2015 • 11:11:17pm

re: #194 klys (maker of Silmarils)

Well, I just finished processing photos for a friend (who we visited on the most recent trip) and now am getting them uploaded.

The toddler is 4 months old in one set, and three in the other. I hope she doesn’t mind.

(I can be a little slow.)

Why would the toddler mind?

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SteveMcGaziBolaGate  Oct 3, 2015 • 11:11:47pm

re: #196 Jenner7

I don’t know, why don’t you ask the Pentagon?

Does the Pentagon use a private server?

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Oct 3, 2015 • 11:12:28pm

re: #198 Higgs Boson’s Mate

Why would the toddler mind?

Haha, the toddler minds because Mom is cutting back on the use of electronic distractions.

I only made the mistake of taking my phone out around her once.

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SteveMcGaziBolaGate  Oct 3, 2015 • 11:12:40pm

re: #193 Jenner7

What should she be doing?

She should be telling me why I should vote for her.

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Jenner7  Oct 3, 2015 • 11:13:33pm

re: #199 SteveMcGaziBolaGate

No, and that’s my point. You want to argue why she just didn’t use a government handle and I argue that maybe it’s because it’s not exactly safe lately.

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SteveMcGaziBolaGate  Oct 3, 2015 • 11:13:39pm

re: #201 SteveMcGaziBolaGate

Is that too much to ask?

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Jenner7  Oct 3, 2015 • 11:13:44pm

re: #192 SteveMcGaziBolaGate

Please tell me we have something better than a “others did it too” defense to decide the fate of the free world.

Here’s what I have and it’s the best answer and it’s factual. It was not illegal to use a private server and there is no evidence her server was compromised.

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Jenner7  Oct 3, 2015 • 11:14:07pm

re: #203 SteveMcGaziBolaGate

Of course not.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Oct 3, 2015 • 11:15:51pm

Changed out the emergency earthquake water today. All set for the big one now.

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SteveMcGaziBolaGate  Oct 3, 2015 • 11:16:39pm

re: #202 Jenner7

No, and that’s my point. You want to argue why she just didn’t use a government handle and I argue that maybe it’s because it’s not exactly safe lately.

That is not really a winning argument. Maybe in your bubble. The government, for better or worse, has specialists trying to protect its secrets. What did Clinton have, Norton? McAfee? If your secret communications are betrayed, it is better (in all aspects) that it was government issue equipment that failed to keep the secret, and not your personal carrier pigeon.

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Higgs Boson's Mate  Oct 3, 2015 • 11:17:46pm

re: #202 Jenner7

No, and that’s my point. You want to argue why she just didn’t use a government handle and I argue that maybe it’s because it’s not exactly safe lately.

And I’d reply that it would be far worse if my private server, rather than a government one, was compromised. If SoS’ own email system was vulnerable then wasn’t it her duty, as Secretary, to get that fixed quickly and quietly?

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SteveMcGaziBolaGate  Oct 3, 2015 • 11:20:31pm

re: #205 Jenner7

That’s what I want from her. Her past has problems. This is her chance to build herself up. To show me where she wants to go. To convince me that she means it. Yeah I know that’s a high bar, but I’m the voter and it’s my right to expect my future President to be worth it. On the other hand, a bad candidate will become a bad President.

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Jenner7  Oct 3, 2015 • 11:21:48pm

re: #208 Higgs Boson’s Mate

Valid point. But I wonder why the government, then, left it to the discretion of the SoS to use whatever email they desired.

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SteveMcGaziBolaGate  Oct 3, 2015 • 11:23:15pm

And at last I gotta go.

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A Cranky One  Oct 3, 2015 • 11:24:16pm

re: #206 klys (maker of Silmarils)

Changed out the emergency earthquake water today. All set for the big one now.

Earthquake water? Isn’t that a type of moonshine?

But I guess that would be handy in an emergency. ;)

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Jenner7  Oct 3, 2015 • 11:25:31pm

re: #207 SteveMcGaziBolaGate

Well, I guess in my bubble, I don’t see Hillary casually using a private server with no means of security. “Oh, just use Norton, we’ll be fine.”

But, this email issue is not important to me. She broke no laws, her sever wasn’t compromised. State Department fixed the error, it won’t happen again.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Oct 3, 2015 • 11:25:45pm

re: #212 A Cranky One

Earthquake water? Isn’t that a type of moonshine?

But I guess that would be handy in an emergency. ;)

Our cats expect to be kept in style.

We went to the pet store today and there was a kitten fair and I was not allowed to bring any home!!!!

I was very sad.

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teleskiguy  Oct 3, 2015 • 11:25:56pm

re: #197 SteveMcGaziBolaGate

You know, there are a lot of similarities between Reagan and Obama. That might be an idea for a page, and probably for another day.

That’s book-worthy stuff. And to be honest I think you’re on to something there.

There’s a big difference, though. In each respective inaugural campaign (‘80 and ‘08) they used exact opposite tactics. Reagan with the Southern Strategy and Obama with Hope and Change.

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teleskiguy  Oct 3, 2015 • 11:27:50pm

re: #206 klys (maker of Silmarils)

Changed out the emergency earthquake water today. All set for the big one now.

Is this, like, a tank underground?

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Jenner7  Oct 3, 2015 • 11:29:42pm

Good discussion. G’night guys…

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A Cranky One  Oct 3, 2015 • 11:30:20pm

re: #214 klys (maker of Silmarils)

Our cats expect to be kept in style.

We went to the pet store today and there was a kitten fair and I was not allowed to bring any home!!!!

I was very sad.

BWS might be in the mood to donate a used cat….

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Oct 3, 2015 • 11:30:39pm

re: #216 teleskiguy

Is this, like, a tank underground?

Nah, we have six 7-gallon jugs specifically for storing water for long time periods (emergency storage) that we replace the water in yearly. That way they’re small enough to be mobile, should we need to move for some reason - and we could take them to get refilled at a point where they were bringing in water again.

Enough for an emergency supply for us and the cats for about a week or so.

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A Cranky One  Oct 3, 2015 • 11:31:56pm

re: #219 klys (maker of Silmarils)

I’m guessing that underground water lines don’t like earthquakes?

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Oct 3, 2015 • 11:32:23pm

re: #220 A Cranky One

I’m guessing that underground water lines don’t like earthquakes?

Depends on how bad the quake is, but better to be over-prepared than under. :)

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Higgs Boson's Mate  Oct 3, 2015 • 11:32:47pm

re: #210 Jenner7

Valid point. But I wonder why the government, then, left it to the discretion of the SoS to use whatever email they desired.

A good question. It seems like a boneheaded policy to retain in light of the Bush administration’s email shenanigans. Still, she was SoS for four years and seemingly she never trusted the gov’s system. I would think that State’s communications are handled with a very high level of active security and if that was inadequate then she had plenty of time to get it put right.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Oct 3, 2015 • 11:33:31pm

re: #221 klys (maker of Silmarils)

True story, my parents have stopped all the hurricanes from hitting the east coast again by installing a whole-home electric generator.

There hasn’t been one since then.

…overkill may run in the family.

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A Cranky One  Oct 3, 2015 • 11:37:48pm

re: #223 klys (maker of Silmarils)

I actually think it’s a good idea to have basic necessities for emergencies.

How much non-potable water do you have stored to allow an occasional flush of the toilets?

/whistles innocently

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Oct 3, 2015 • 11:39:28pm

re: #224 A Cranky One

I actually think it’s a good idea to have basic necessities for emergencies.

How much non-potable water do you have stored to allow an occasional flush of the toilets?

/whistles innocently

Enough.

There’s also packs of wet-wipes to allow for some amount of personal hygiene.

I try not to take it to stupid extremes, though. The house made it through Loma Prieta, so I have to figure it’ll probably be ok.

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Higgs Boson's Mate  Oct 3, 2015 • 11:43:04pm

re: #223 klys (maker of Silmarils)

During my Gulf Coast days with the Navy we warded off hurricanes by boarding up, tying down, battening, securing, stowing, ballasting, every last thing on base. That included more than two hundred aircraft.
The best part was that after the hurricane would miss us we then were able to work for another two or three days and nights to undo everything we’d just done - and then paint it.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Oct 3, 2015 • 11:44:40pm

re: #226 Higgs Boson’s Mate

During my Gulf Coast days with the Navy we warded off hurricanes by boarding up, tying down, battening, securing, stowing, ballasting, every last thing on base. That included more than two hundred aircraft.
The best part was that after the hurricane would miss us we then were able to work for another two or three days and nights to undo everything we’d just done - and then paint it.

I’m told that painting is a never-ending task on ships.

Especially white ships.

I think the new garage door is hopefully not going to require painting.

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A Cranky One  Oct 3, 2015 • 11:53:57pm

Night all. Sweet scaly dreams. Or ice cream. Ice cream is good.

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Higgs Boson's Mate  Oct 3, 2015 • 11:56:00pm

re: #227 klys (maker of Silmarils)

I’m told that painting is a never-ending task on ships.

Especially white ships.

I think the new garage door is hopefully not going to require painting.

Painting is a never-ending task no matter where the Navy stations you. For the Navy, paint is not merely a means of forestalling corrosion, it’s a means of moral instruction and a way to prevent idleness among sailors.
Stripping various pieces of gear down to bare metal by hand, then priming, painting and putting on the required stencils in 98% humidity was handed out as non-judicial punishment at Captain’s Mast.
Stripping various pieces of gear down to bare metal by hand, then priming, painting and putting on the required stencils in 98% humidity also happened because we were socked in for days sometimes. We were once fogged in for so many days that we managed to paint every last paintable thing in our huge hangar. We figured that our Chief would have to really reach for some new task and we were already looking forward to burgers and beer at the EM club. Chief walked out onto the hangar deck (As it was known even ashore) filled with gleaming gear, every last bit of it looking factory fresh. “Great job, men,” he said. “Now do it again.”
Ah, youth!

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teleskiguy  Oct 3, 2015 • 11:57:22pm

re: #187 freetoken

I’ve stated before, but will repeat myself - as near as I can tell, what it means to be a Democrat today is “I’m not a Republican”.

And that’s about it.

I believe I know why - because the coalitions that have worked for Democratic Party candidates for decades are increasingly at odds with each other. There isn’t really much of a binding central belief system, other than “We’re not Republicans.”

Oy. I straight-up said this in my #103. U.S. politics got issues.

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teleskiguy  Oct 4, 2015 • 12:06:55am
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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Oct 4, 2015 • 12:11:29am

New York Daily News reporting that Chris Harper-Mercer’s mom had a stockpile of firearms at home, and took her son to the firing range for practice.

nydailynews.com

Un-corroborated at this point, but it sounds eerily like the Sandy Hook incident.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Oct 4, 2015 • 12:32:07am

UpChuck is now claiming Harper-Mercer was a communist, based on the guy’s sarcastic Facebook profile page.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Oct 4, 2015 • 12:50:41am

re: #233 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

UpChuck is now claiming Harper-Mercer was a communist, based on the guy’s sarcastic Facebook profile page.

And it appears the Facebook profile ascribed to Harper-Mercer is not really his, as it changed several times after the shootings.

Did Chuck fall for another hoax? Film at 11.

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CuriousLurker  Oct 4, 2015 • 1:20:49am

re: #118 Stanley Sea Toujours

I’m the only one who listened? Listen to this.

Wow. O_O

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CuriousLurker  Oct 4, 2015 • 1:37:07am

Saw this last weekend—gonna leave this here since Milo was being discussed earlier:

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Oct 4, 2015 • 1:46:50am

re: #236 CuriousLurker

Saw this last weekend—gonna leave this here since Milo was being discussed earlier:

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Yanno, Milo…Rudolf Valentino wasn’t really a Sheik. Is this how far out of the current era their minds are?

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Camacho DeezNuts 2016  Oct 4, 2015 • 1:47:48am

re: #161 SteveMcGaziBolaGate

What the hell is this site coming to? You can’t have a discussion without everybody cursing just because they can’t come up with an articulate discussion.

Maybe you should ask yourself what you have come to. There is no articulate discussion to be had with your internalized Hillary Hate.

The least you could do is own it and spare us the whiny persecution complex.

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Camacho DeezNuts 2016  Oct 4, 2015 • 1:59:23am

The ‘vast right wing conspiracy’ was obviously, and continues to be, money well spent. You don’t have to be a rabid conservative to to succumb to the smear campaign.

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Nyet  Oct 4, 2015 • 2:33:07am

re: #46 darthstar

I’m really trying not to hate Hillary - I think she’d be better than any of the Republican candidates, but this makes me livid.

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Sorry, I disagree. Maybe she could have formulated it slightly better (although frankly this formulation is not horrible), but there’s nothing wrong with what she said in that context. Seeing Iraq as an opportunity to do business is a good thing - first of all for Iraq itself. It needs investments. It would also mean that the US didn’t give up on Iraq.

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Nyet  Oct 4, 2015 • 2:33:45am

re: #236 CuriousLurker

A self-admitted pedophile criticizing a right-wing douche. Fuck’em all.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Oct 4, 2015 • 2:36:42am

re: #239 Camacho DeezNuts 2016

The ‘vast right wing conspiracy’ was obviously, and continues to be, money well spent. You don’t have to be a rabid conservative to to succumb to the smear campaign.

Inorite? All of that crap was just soaked up like a sponge—I expect to start hearing about Whitewater next.

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Camacho DeezNuts 2016  Oct 4, 2015 • 2:39:07am

re: #242 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

Inorite? All of that crap was just soaked up like a sponge—I expect to start hearing about Whitewater next.

It’s just getting started. I have little doubt that centrists and non-Teabaggers, if not actual new progressives with a Bernie fetish, will be influenced by the smear campaign in it’s new iteration.

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MomSense  Oct 4, 2015 • 2:43:35am

re: #81 Stanley Sea Toujours

That photo is actually from the Portland Whole Foods parking lot on Tuesday. We had flash flooding after 8-10 inches of rain fell that morning.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Oct 4, 2015 • 2:44:27am

re: #243 Camacho DeezNuts 2016

It’s just getting started. I have little doubt that centrists and non-Teabaggers, if not actual new progressives with a Bernie fetish, will be influenced by the smear campaign in it’s new iteration.

This whole discussion tonight was just insane. Back at 144:

And, BTW, courage is something she doesn’t have. Why does Bill still have a penis?

If she’d cut Bill’s dick off, she’d still be running for President now, and he’d vote for her. SMDH.

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Camacho DeezNuts 2016  Oct 4, 2015 • 2:47:16am

Harkening back to my early days when I thought I was conservative and Rush Limbaugh said actual interesting things, I got tired of the constant Clinton obsession: Whitewater, cattle futures, and Vince Foster’s suicide wasn’t actually a suicide..?

Oookaay.

That was 20 years ago. Shit really hasn’t changed, it just evolved.

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Nyet  Oct 4, 2015 • 2:49:49am

re: #246 Camacho DeezNuts 2016

Harkening back to my early days when I thought I was conservative and Rush Limbaugh said actual interesting things, I got tired of the constant Clinton obsession: Whitewater, cattle futures, and Vince Foster’s suicide wasn’t actually a suicide..?

Oookaay.

That was 20 years ago. Shit really hasn’t changed, it just evolved.

Unfortunately some of this is now coming from the left (although it’s admittedly not nearly as vicious).

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Nyet  Oct 4, 2015 • 2:53:55am

Case in point:

dailykos.com

I’m not sure what is most disturbing about this quote, the idea that the destruction of an entire country, the continuing death tolls of thousands of innocent Iraqi’s and American troops is a “business opportunity”, just so a few rich corporations could line their pockets, or the realization that this is actually not anything new, but is how our country functions— this is business as usual everyone:

Way to twist her words.

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Nyet  Oct 4, 2015 • 2:58:45am

Heh.

* [new] You do realise (25+ / 0-)
That one of the top functions of the state department is to assist U.S. businesses in the international marketplace. Im sure she assisted other businesses in other countries as well. it was her job and she served at the pleasure of the president.

by bahaba on Wed Sep 30, 2015 at 08:25:38 PM PDT

* [new] don’t harsh (16+ / 0-)
the anti-hillary buzz.

The cold passion for truth hunts in no pack. -Robinson Jeffers

by Laurence Lewis on Wed Sep 30, 2015 at 08:52:42 PM PDT

[ Parent ]

* [new] Wow, you’ll defend anything won’t you n/t (6+ / 0-)
by rocklawyer on Wed Sep 30, 2015 at 08:57:39 PM PDT

[ Parent ]

* [new] yeah (10+ / 0-)
i even defend the marshall plan. the horror.

The cold passion for truth hunts in no pack. -Robinson Jeffers

by Laurence Lewis on Wed Sep 30, 2015 at 08:58:49 PM PDT

[ Parent ]

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Timothy Watson  Oct 4, 2015 • 3:03:52am

re: #248 Nyet

Case in point:

dailykos.com

Way to twist her words.

Ugh, just ugh, I didn’t like Kos when I was a conservative, and I still don’t really like it today. The condescension in some of the posters.

Ugh.

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Camacho DeezNuts 2016  Oct 4, 2015 • 3:05:32am

The left is in it’s Purity Phase which the right wing miscreants will exploit.

I’m holding out hope it gets over it and pulls together to get some real shit done.

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Nyet  Oct 4, 2015 • 3:11:11am
* [new] I’m neither a Clinton booster nor detractor… (7+ / 0-)
but I find the presence of diaries such as this on Daily Kos sad. It is not what I expect or look for from a reality-based community.

The diary takes one 15-word snippet from a Clinton speech, as excerpted and passed along International Business Times, and from that builds a denunciation of Clinton based on what the diarist assumes is the only possible meaning and intention of the snippet.

If what Hillary Clinton said is worth writing a diary about, it is worth the diarist looking up the 2011 speech from which it comes for themself, reading the speech for themself, determining the meaning for themself, and sharing their informed thoughts about it with us.

As far as I can see from the diary, the diarist has done none of that.

To MilenialBob and others who are tearing Hillary Clinton down without actually reading her speech first, based simply on what they assume she meant: is this really the model for political discourse you would like others to use? It’s the model I expect to see on echo-chamber sites. It’s not what I come to Daily Kos for.

For those who sincerely think Hillary Clinton’s comment is worth discussing, here is a link to a significantly-longer excerpt of the speech in which the comment was made.

by Nova Land on Thu Oct 01, 2015 at 03:31:20 AM PDT

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Nyet  Oct 4, 2015 • 3:16:29am

re: #252 Nyet

Not only is the speech good, it is clear that as the Sec of State she was promoting Obama’s agenda, not her own. So if you disagree with this, fine, but you’re disagreeing with Obama first of all.

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Nojay UK  Oct 4, 2015 • 3:24:01am

re: #148 makeitstop

Have you considered an intervention?

I have a friend who had a bad collecting habit, ended up with (when he counted them) twenty-three acoustic guitars, mandolins etc. as well as quite a few solid-body electric guitars and a bunch of acoustic-pickup hybrids. He rarely played them, stored many of them in an unheated garage and he had financial problems. Eventually other people around him helped him get assistance to declutter and stop buying yet more “toys”.

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I Stand With Planned Parenthood  Oct 4, 2015 • 3:25:32am

re: #5 Charles Johnson

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ok, thanks for sharing …

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Nyet  Oct 4, 2015 • 3:43:05am

PZ’s propensity to redefine atheism as it suits him at the moment is getting boring. I don’t know if Mercer was an atheist, it seems less likely at this point if the info about him self-identifying as a pagan and a Wicca is true (he certainly was into occult stuff, although that doesn’t strictly mean one can’t still be an atheist). So what PZ does is identify him as a “none” (not religious/doesn’t like organized religion) and then goes on a usual rant about bankruptcy of atheism. Which is fucked up, because even if one accepts PZ’s vision of atheism as a larger community with values, rather than a purely philosophical position, this community still would not include all “none“‘s without exception. You still have to have a lack of belief in God(s) to be a part of it.

At this point PZ tries to mimic Grampa Simpson.

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Nyet  Oct 4, 2015 • 3:55:32am

Heads should roll over this.

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Nyet  Oct 4, 2015 • 3:56:19am
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Nyet  Oct 4, 2015 • 3:57:45am

re: #259 Nyet

Patients burned to death in their beds
“The bombs hit and then we heard the plane circle round,” said Heman Nagarathnam, MSF Head of Programmes in northern Afghanistan.

“There was a pause, and then more bombs hit. This happened again and again. When I made it out from the office, the main hospital building was engulfed in flames.

“Those people that could had moved quickly to the building’s two bunkers to seek safety. But patients who were unable to escape burned to death as they lay in their beds.”

Anyone dismissing this as “collateral damage” should be given a good kick.

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Nyet  Oct 4, 2015 • 3:59:44am

re: #260 Nyet

U.S. Army Col. Brian Tribus, a spokesman for U.S. forces in Afghanistan, released a statement:

“U.S. forces conducted an airstrike in Kunduz city at 2:15 a.m. (local), 3 October, against individuals threatening the force. The strike may have resulted in collateral damage to a nearby medical facility. This incident is under investigation.”

Fuck. You.

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Nyet  Oct 4, 2015 • 4:03:49am

By this fucked up logic the bombing of MH-17 was also “collateral damage”.

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Nyet  Oct 4, 2015 • 4:16:42am

Something being allegedly “accidental” does not make it not a crime.

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goddamnedfrank  Oct 4, 2015 • 4:22:37am
The group blames a U.S. airstrike. Afghan officials said helicopter gunships returned fire from Taliban fighters who were hiding in the facility.

Stegeman said there were no insurgents in the facility at the time of the bombing. AP video footage of the burned out compound in the east of Kunduz city shows automatic weapons, including rifles and at least one machine gun, on windowsills.

Either the AP video is a hoax or the MSF spokeswoman is wrong about there having been no active combatants firing from inside the hospital. I understand that it’s a tragedy and still inexcusable, but MSF should be absolutely certain about the exact state of play before they start issuing categorical denials like this.

If the hospital grounds had been invaded that still wouldn’t in my mind excuse airstrikes on it, and being wrong about something like that makes it harder to view such reports as coming from neutral, unbiased observers.

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Nyet  Oct 4, 2015 • 4:25:12am

re: #256 Nyet

Oh gee, he’s not alone. Some shithead named Ashley F. Miller uses the Mercer case to talk about atheist tribalism:

There is anger and fear from atheists today upon the revelation that the most recent of the mass shooters in America was a non-believer who targeted Christians.

[…]

This is not the first atheist shooter, there have been many throughout history.
[…]

He was one of us. So was the shooter yesterday.

Which is a topic worth discussing, except that there is no evidence so far that Mercer was an atheist, so maybe check your facts first, idjit?

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Nyet  Oct 4, 2015 • 4:30:22am

re: #264 goddamnedfrank

If the hospital grounds had been invaded that still wouldn’t in my mind excuse airstrikes on it, and being wrong about something like that makes it harder to view such reports as coming from neutral, unbiased observers.

Really? It’s not like anyone contests that the people are dead, so how is this relevant whether observers are unbiased or not?

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goddamnedfrank  Oct 4, 2015 • 4:41:24am

re: #266 Nyet

Really? It’s not like anyone contests that the people are dead, so how is this relevant whether observers are unbiased or not?

Because if that description is accurate it would appear that MSF is lying, or at least gravely mistaken, about the Taliban firing from inside the hospital itself prior to and during the air strike. In other words they would be in effect colluding with one of the sides to the conflict, and covering up for that combatant having used the hospital, and its doctors and patients as human shields.

This may be the Video in question on this page. Difficult for me to tell for sure if those are rifles sticking out of the windows or some other debris. They look like they could be rifles that were being aimed out when the strike hit.

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I Stand With Planned Parenthood  Oct 4, 2015 • 4:41:39am
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I Stand With Planned Parenthood  Oct 4, 2015 • 4:43:48am

I think this next election is going to one of the most interesting. Hillary has vowed to implement sensible gun control. This pits Her against the NRA.

Fireworks will ensue.

I’m actually thinking about popping popcorn for the first time ever.

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Nyet  Oct 4, 2015 • 4:43:59am

re: #267 goddamnedfrank

Again, I fail to see how all of this would be relevant even if it were true given that you have already admitted that bombing the hospital even in such a case is inexcusable.

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goddamnedfrank  Oct 4, 2015 • 4:51:47am

re: #270 Nyet

Again, I fail to see how all of this would be relevant even if it were true given that you have already admitted that bombing the hospital even in such a case is inexcusable.

Because if MSF personnel on site either tacitly or overtly allowed the Taliban to fire from within the hospital, then they will have been the ones who stripped the hospital of its flag of peace status under the Geneva convention. Therein lies the organization’s motive to steadfastly deny this happened in spite of the, admittedly inconclusive, evidence to the contrary.

It doesn’t make the bombing excusable in my mind, but it does add relevant context. The US and Afghan military can’t simply cede hospitals as enemy strongpoints, but they also need to come up with a way of dealing with that eventuality short of such scorched earth tactics.

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I Stand With Planned Parenthood  Oct 4, 2015 • 4:53:18am
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Nyet  Oct 4, 2015 • 4:54:48am

Concocting half-assed “what could have been” scenarios based on shaky evidence is what I was expecting the right-wing would do in this case. Little do I know.

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I Stand With Planned Parenthood  Oct 4, 2015 • 4:55:35am

THINKING I might go back to bed now.

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I Stand With Planned Parenthood  Oct 4, 2015 • 4:56:54am

re: #265 Nyet

Oh gee, he’s not alone. Some shithead named Ashley F. Miller uses the Mercer case to talk about atheist tribalism:

Which is a topic worth discussing, except that there is no evidence so far that Mercer was an atheist, so maybe check your facts first, idjit?

I’ve heard the “he is a muslim” so many times I want to scream.

Where’s the facts?

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I Stand With Planned Parenthood  Oct 4, 2015 • 4:57:49am

re: #260 Nyet

Anyone dismissing this as “collateral damage” should be given a good kick.

children are not collateral damage. I don’t care who their parents are.

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I Stand With Planned Parenthood  Oct 4, 2015 • 4:59:26am

Here is a Pages Post I put together regarding the school shootings and a NYT article.

I hope it is coherent —it is barely morning.

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goddamnedfrank  Oct 4, 2015 • 5:00:48am

re: #273 Nyet

The Afghan government also says that the militants were using the hospital as a defensive strongpoint.

The Ministry of Defense said “terrorists” armed with light and heavy weapons had entered the hospital compound and used “the buildings and the people inside as a shield” while firing on security forces.

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I Stand With Planned Parenthood  Oct 4, 2015 • 5:03:09am
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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Oct 4, 2015 • 5:06:54am

re: #275 I Stand With Planned Parenthood

I’ve heard the “he is a muslim” so many times I want to scream.

Where’s the facts?

There are none. UpChuck, for one, said he was because Harper-Mercer had one — one! — apparently Muslim friend on MySpace. Then @weev tweeted the link, and now it’s become part of RWNJ lore.

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goddamnedfrank  Oct 4, 2015 • 5:07:17am

So it’s not so much ‘half-assed “what could have been” scenarios based on shaky evidence’ as it is separate reports backed up by what appears to be video corroboration from the scene along with the assessment of the Associated Press which took the video.

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Nyet  Oct 4, 2015 • 5:07:21am

hrw.org

Afghan police in Kunduz have asserted that Taliban fighters were firing from the hospital. If that were in fact the case, it would have been an unlawful use of the hospital by Taliban forces. However, given the hospital’s protected status and the large numbers of civilians and medical personnel in the facility, attacking the hospital would still likely have been an unlawfully disproportionate attack, causing greater harm to civilians and civilian structures than any immediate military gain. In addition, the laws of war require that even if military forces misuse a hospital to deploy able-bodied combatants or weapons, the attacking force must issue a warning to cease this misuse, setting a reasonable time limit for it to end, and attacking only after such a warning has gone unheeded.

The location of the MSF medical facility had been communicated to all parties, including US forces, months before the present fighting in Kunduz began. According to MSF the bombing continued for 30 minutes after US and Afghan military officials in Kabul and Washington had been informed of the first attack’s proximity to the hospital. The failure of US forces to stop an attack striking a hospital strongly suggests the forces may have violated the laws of war in identifying risks to civilians and civilian objects and in the weapons used or conduct of the military operation.

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I Stand With Planned Parenthood  Oct 4, 2015 • 5:07:46am
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I Stand With Planned Parenthood  Oct 4, 2015 • 5:14:22am
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I Stand With Planned Parenthood  Oct 4, 2015 • 5:17:57am
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Timothy Watson  Oct 4, 2015 • 5:22:48am

re: #285 I Stand With Planned Parenthood

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“I got a fever, and the only prescription is more cowbell GUNS!”

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Eventual Carrion  Oct 4, 2015 • 5:27:42am

re: #117 No Depression

I’m sure some do. And even if they don’t, they’ll probably hear about it because Hillary made an appearance. Cue the cries of the librul media conspiring to make her President.

I know. I hardly ever see any of the repubs candidates on the teevee.

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I Stand With Planned Parenthood  Oct 4, 2015 • 5:35:34am
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I Stand With Planned Parenthood  Oct 4, 2015 • 5:39:04am
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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Oct 4, 2015 • 5:41:31am

I’ve been doing some sleuthing about the claim that Harper-Mercer is a Muslim. UpChuck was not the first nutjob making the claim. His post is dated Oct. 2, but the day before, Debbie Schlussel made the claim around 11 pm.

Here’s her “reasoning.”

Chris Harper Mercer a/k/a Chris Harper-Mercer, age 26, has been identified as the mass murderer in today’s killing of 9 people at Umpqua Community College in Roseburg, Oregon. Was he Muslim? Well, he forced students to identify their religion, and he shot at those who said they were Christian. And his MySpace page, featuring a picture of him with a rifle, identifes only two friends, one of whom is an extremist Muslim (redundant phrase). His Facebook page is obsessed with Ahmed Mohamed, the bomb clock Muslim. And he said he liked to torture insects. Sicko. Also, he was a fan of a terrorist group that trained with a Palestinian Muslim terrorist group.

Harper Mercer’s MySpace page, which identifies him as Chris Harper-Mercer, shows that he has two friends, one of whom is Mahmoud Ali Ehsani. Ehsani, who created a classy custom MySpace URL of “dick_hard_like_a_pistol” (let’s hear it for that “Islamic modesty” they keep lecturing us about), has two photos on his MySpace page-a koran and the symbol of Islam.

From there, it was just a matter of other wingnut sites picking up on the allegations. I checked a few, and they cite Johnson. I didn’t find any citing Debs, though.

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Timothy Watson  Oct 4, 2015 • 5:42:56am

re: #290 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

Sorry, I stopped reading at “Debbie Schlussel”. :)

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Oct 4, 2015 • 5:44:18am

re: #291 Timothy Watson

Sorry, I stopped reading at “Debbie Schlussel”. :)

I had to use some Brain Bleach after visiting her site.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Oct 4, 2015 • 5:46:30am

I swear, these nutjobs must have some kind of derp network, or have shared hallucinations.

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I Stand With Planned Parenthood  Oct 4, 2015 • 5:47:04am

re: #290 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

featuring a picture of him with a rifle, identifes only two friends, one of whom is an extremist Muslim (redundant phrase).

redundant phrase??

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Timothy Watson  Oct 4, 2015 • 5:48:38am

re: #293 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

I swear, these nutjobs must have some kind of derp network, or have shared hallucinations.

E-mail group, at least that’s what the conservative bloggers in Virginia used to have (I was part of it back in the day).

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Oct 4, 2015 • 5:54:31am

re: #295 Timothy Watson

E-mail group, at least that’s what the conservative bloggers in Virginia used to have (I was part of it back in the day).

Makes sense. It also explains the lack of originality in their derp.

Chuck has fallen for a fake Facebook account, and I reckon Debbie has, too. I paged it earlier. littlegreenfootballs.com

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I Stand With Planned Parenthood  Oct 4, 2015 • 6:00:06am

re: #296 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

Makes sense. It also explains the lack of originality in their derp.

Chuck has fallen for a fake Facebook account, and I reckon Debbie has, too. I paged it earlier. littlegreenfootballs.com

email groups are so ‘90’s!

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Timothy Watson  Oct 4, 2015 • 6:01:18am

re: #297 I Stand With Planned Parenthood

email groups are so ‘90’s!

Hey, they’re conservatives, it’s surprising they made that far. :)

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Eventual Carrion  Oct 4, 2015 • 6:01:26am

re: #194 klys (maker of Silmarils)

Well, I just finished processing photos for a friend (who we visited on the most recent trip) and now am getting them uploaded.

The toddler is 4 months old in one set, and three in the other. I hope she doesn’t mind.

(I can be a little slow.)

I think later is fine for stuff like that. As George Carlin said (paraphrased) about 1 hour photo processing, “How can you be nostalgic about something from an hour ago?”.

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Eventual Carrion  Oct 4, 2015 • 6:02:13am

re: #196 Jenner7

I don’t know, why don’t you ask the Pentagon?

Or Bush and Cheney.

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Nyet  Oct 4, 2015 • 6:03:29am

re: #296 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

Makes sense. It also explains the lack of originality in their derp.

Chuck has fallen for a fake Facebook account, and I reckon Debbie has, too. I paged it earlier. littlegreenfootballs.com

Why do you think it’s fake? I mean, clear, someone edited it later, maybe it was hacked. But it has old entries.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Oct 4, 2015 • 6:05:26am

re: #301 Nyet

Why do you think it’s fake? I mean, clear, someone edited it later, maybe it was hacked. But it has old entries.

I mean the postmortem one is fake. You are right about the older entries. The most recent was from August.

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Nyet  Oct 4, 2015 • 6:08:11am

re: #302 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

I mean the postmortem one is fake. You are right about the older entries. The most recent was from August.

I see 18 Sep. entries and comments, the ones about insects.

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I Stand With Planned Parenthood  Oct 4, 2015 • 6:12:18am
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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Oct 4, 2015 • 6:12:29am

re: #303 Nyet

I see 18 Sep. entries and comments, the ones about insects.

Ah. I didn’t see those. I was referring to the Google cache images of Oct. 2. I’ll check again.

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I Stand With Planned Parenthood  Oct 4, 2015 • 6:14:26am
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I Stand With Planned Parenthood  Oct 4, 2015 • 6:15:38am
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I Stand With Planned Parenthood  Oct 4, 2015 • 6:15:57am

am going back to bed. Dogs are sleeping and look so cuddly.

bbl

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Dark_Falcon  Oct 4, 2015 • 6:16:05am

re: #196 Jenner7

I don’t know, why don’t you ask the Pentagon?

They’d say a private email server, especially an unencrypted one (though HRC did eventually have that problem fixed), is stupid when foreign intelligence services have a serious desire to read your email, as they would for the Secretary of State.

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Eventual Carrion  Oct 4, 2015 • 6:17:05am

re: #234 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

And it appears the Facebook profile ascribed to Harper-Mercer is not really his, as it changed several times after the shootings.

Did Chuck fall for another hoax? Film at 11.

So there is Facebook after death? Who wooda thought.

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Nyet  Oct 4, 2015 • 6:18:37am

web.archive.org

So the Wicca/Pagan refs were to his match, some reports were misleading.

He also was not against “interracial” dating, although, like Chuck et al., he might have been interested in Asians, which doesn’t contradict some strains of white supremacism (although a black white supremacist is still something, I should say):

Their Ethnicity
Mixed Race, Caucasian, Inter-racial

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Eventual Carrion  Oct 4, 2015 • 6:18:58am

re: #240 Nyet

Sorry, I disagree. Maybe she could have formulated it slightly better (although frankly this formulation is not horrible), but there’s nothing wrong with what she said in that context. Seeing Iraq as an opportunity to do business is a good thing - first of all for Iraq itself. It needs investments. It would also mean that the US didn’t give up on Iraq.

We do pretty good business with Vietnam these days too.

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I Stand With Planned Parenthood  Oct 4, 2015 • 6:20:21am
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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Oct 4, 2015 • 6:20:27am

Archaeologists dealing with antiquities smugglers find a lost chapter of the Epic of Gilgamesh.

livescience.com

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Nyet  Oct 4, 2015 • 6:22:02am

re: #312 Eventual Carrion

We do pretty good business with Vietnam these days too.

Horror!

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Nyet  Oct 4, 2015 • 6:22:14am

re: #314 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

Archaeologists dealing with antiquities smugglers find a lost chapter of the Epic of Gilgamesh.

livescience.com

Wow!

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Nyet  Oct 4, 2015 • 6:22:43am

re: #316 Nyet

Hopefully authenticity is firmly established? Gonna read the article now.

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Targetpractice  Oct 4, 2015 • 6:23:22am

re: #314 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

Archaeologists dealing with antiquities smugglers find a lost chapter of the Epic of Gilgamesh.

livescience.com

Good lord, even centuries later, authors are releasing unwanted sequels.

//

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PhillyPretzel  Oct 4, 2015 • 6:23:25am

re: #314 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

Cool.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Oct 4, 2015 • 6:24:27am

re: #317 Nyet

Hopefully authenticity is firmly established? Gonna read the article now.

It’s legit. They’ve published a journal article.

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Nyet  Oct 4, 2015 • 6:24:29am

Super cool find.

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Timothy Watson  Oct 4, 2015 • 6:26:31am

re: #311 Nyet

web.archive.org

So the Wicca/Pagan refs were to his match, some reports were misleading.

He also was not against “interracial” dating, although, like Chuck et al., he might have been interested in Asians, which doesn’t contradict some strains of white supremacism (although a black white supremacist is still something, I should say):

He wouldn’t be the first person to think it’s okay for a white man to be in an interracial relationship and date nonwhites, but also think it’s terrible for a black man to be in an interracial relationship (particularly with white women).

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Nyet  Oct 4, 2015 • 6:27:38am

re: #311 Nyet

OK, this might put the claim about his white supremacist leanings into a bit of doubt:

youcaring.com

Chris Figgalopola
Good job! Fuck white racist pigs like Bernie.
Like * Reply * Aug 20, 2015 3:25am

Umberto Cellini * Boston
Hmmmm. This used to be posted by “Chris Harper Mercer.”

Did the site forget that the Internet never forgets?
Like * Reply * 10 * Oct 3, 2015 12:57pm

Mark Olivares * Works at Geologe
Umberto Cellini Someone edited his FB page after the shooting and his death. This comment is linked to that profile so it no longer shows his real name. One wonders who edited the profile and his profile pic. Almost like someone is selectively mananging the available information about him to advance a particular agenda. Now who has the capability and motive to monkey with the internet like that?
Like * Reply * 8 * 20 hrs

Chris Figgalopola
Mark Olivares, you people are stepping in places you shouldn’t. DO NOT PUSH YOUR LUCK.

*I hope your tax filings are all in order.
Like * Reply * 20 hrs * Edited

Christy Golden * Columbus (Georgia)
Mark Olivares good catch Umberto Cellini
Like * Reply * 5 * 19 hrs

Chris Allen Thomas * Lansdale
Umberto Cellini clearly the government is editing the narrative again.
Like * Reply * 5 * 19 hrs

Chris Allen Thomas * Lansdale
Chris Figgalopola fuck your government, and fuck your NSA.
Like * Reply * 5 * 19 hrs

Chris Figgalopola
Chris Allen Thomas, the NSA is in need of people with doctorates in linguistics.
Like * Reply * 18 hrs * Edited

Guy Schlachter
Chris Figgalopola So? Who are you? Why are you operating this account when it’s not yours?
Like * Reply * 2 * 10 hrs

Jeremy SoRelle * Felony Prosecutor at Cameron County District Attorney’s Office
It is true the profile changed … I had looked at the day of the shootings… that is very interesting. .. I also couldn’t find his pic anymore on his page
Like * Reply * 4 * 7 hrs

Mischa de Rothschild
This one is not going away boys. It was stinky from the get go, the massive delay…so obvious, and now the “mistakes”…the above person claiming the name was photo shOpped in.

I already had 4K stolen by the IRS for 2011 taxes, but don’t worry I will get that back and then some.

Signed,
-One of Your Worst Nightmares smile emoticon
Like * Reply * 1 * 5 hrs

Mischa de Rothschild
G-d sees.
FUCK GEORGE SOROS FUNDED NGOs. HE SHOULD BE IN JAIL FOR WAR CRIMES. SOOOOON.
Like * Reply * 1 * 5 hrs

Everytown For Gun Grabbers
This reminds me of the Communist revisionists who would go back and scrub photos and newspapers in order to change the past narrative, in order to control the narrative of tomorrow. Bravo Komerade! Atleast they are getting sloppier with their Psy-ops. The socialists are getting mighty desperate to disarm us.
Like * Reply * 1 * 4 hrs * Edited

John Moran
Chris Figgalopola Well you’re gonna be a busy little spook as it’s gone global on twitter and all over the internet !
Like * Reply * 1 * 1 hr

On the screenshots going around the net his real name is used. It is thus clear that his account was hacked post-mortem. But the August message against “white racist pigs” is authentic.

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Nojay UK  Oct 4, 2015 • 6:28:39am

re: #314 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

Three thousand years from now,

Archaeologists dealing with antiquities smugglers find a lost chapter of the Epic of Gilgamesh the last volume of Game of Thrones.

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Nyet  Oct 4, 2015 • 6:30:08am

re: #322 Timothy Watson

He wouldn’t be the first person to think it’s okay for a white man to be in an interracial relationship and date nonwhites, but also think it’s terrible for a black man to be in an interracial relationship (particularly with white women).

In which case he would have been inconsistent if he wanted to date white women.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Oct 4, 2015 • 6:31:23am

re: #324 Nojay UK

Three thousand years from now,

In that lost chapter, people die, and the dragons have still not come to Westeros.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Oct 4, 2015 • 6:33:13am

re: #323 Nyet

Good catch.

BTW, I saw the September FB posting, but misremembered the date.

Also, I noted that one of the FB posts were edited Oct. 2, after he was dead.

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Targetpractice  Oct 4, 2015 • 6:34:07am

re: #324 Nojay UK

Three thousand years from now,

They said the reason it took so long to release is because they had to find a way to pry it from George’s cold, dead hand.

//

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Feline Fearless Leader  Oct 4, 2015 • 6:34:28am

re: #74 teleskiguy

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Four months worth of rain in one day.

Still not enough to erode it into the sea.

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Nojay UK  Oct 4, 2015 • 6:34:36am

re: #326 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

In that lost chapter, people die, and the dragons have still not come to Westeros.

Is it winter yet?

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Oct 4, 2015 • 6:35:38am

re: #330 Nojay UK

Is it winter yet?

Winter is coming.

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Nyet  Oct 4, 2015 • 6:35:45am

re: #323 Nyet

OK, this might put the claim about his white supremacist leanings into a bit of doubt:

On the screenshots going around the net his real name is used. It is thus clear that his account was hacked post-mortem. But the August message against “white racist pigs” is authentic.

OK, that “might” was handy, because from further context this is probably a sarcastic comment, if the Lithium_Love account is authentic:

web.archive.org

I just read about the houston cop shooting. Figured I’d post this since the response to my previous blog post on vester flanagan was so interesting. On the houston shooting it was reported that the suspect was influenced by black lives matter protests/movement. Although I don’t know if thats true, with all the issues about police and blacks/protestors in the news the past couple of years, it certainly seems like someone would be inspired to take action. With the constant chants of anti police rhetoric this was bound to happen. I don’t disagree that police brutality and excessive use of force is a problem, but killing an officer that never did anything to you is not the answer.

This whole event seems similar to the one in new york earlier this year where that guy killed those two cops sitting in a parked car. The inflammatory rhetoric on both sides, whether warranted or not will only continue to agitate the situation and events such as these will happen more and more. These are just my thoughts on the matter. Will continue to post more blogs on related subjects, as well any interesting thoughts I may have.

P.S.
In case anyone’s wondering, I’m not on the side of the suspect, I’m on the side of the officer, and generally don’t agree with the black lives matter protests

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Decatur Deb  Oct 4, 2015 • 6:35:56am

re: #276 I Stand With Planned Parenthood

children are not collateral damage. I don’t care who their parents are.

I could name a couple hundred German and Japanese cities that learned otherwise. And that was the Greatest Generation fighting the Good War.

Once you accept the notion of war and its benefits, you live with the shit.

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Dark_Falcon  Oct 4, 2015 • 6:36:02am

re: #326 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

In that lost chapter, people die, and the dragons have still not come to Westeros.

And the TV episode based on the chapter was altered due to the need to show boobies:

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Nojay UK  Oct 4, 2015 • 6:37:08am

re: #328 Targetpractice

They said the reason it took so long to release is because they had to find a way to pry it from George’s cold, dead unalive hand.

//

“It’s my damn trilogy and I’ll kill anyone I damned well want to!” — any SF author five books into a trilogy and no sign of it ever ending…

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Nyet  Oct 4, 2015 • 6:37:33am

re: #332 Nyet

And here is the “spiritual” part:

The material world is a lie
681 views 129 comments posted 06 Jul 2015, 02:14

The material world is a lie. For so long we have been taught that what’s important in life is to buy this and have that. To always have the latest fashion, biggest tv, fanciest car, nicest house, and blah,blah, blah. Well, the truth is we’ve become so attached to these things, our spiritual development has been halted. Just like they say in fight club “We become owned by the things we own”. Most people will spend hours standing in front of stores just to buy a new iphone. Those same people will complain about how they don’t have enough money but will always have money to spend on apple products. This attachment produces so much of the stress and worrying in the world today. I used to be like that, always concerned about what clothes I had, rather than whether or not I was happy. But not anymore. Since then I have learned the truth that such attachments are falsehoods and will only bring misery.This is my first blog post, there will be more to come.

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Nyet  Oct 4, 2015 • 6:38:42am

re: #333 Decatur Deb

I could name a couple hundred German and Japanese cities that learned otherwise. And that was the Greatest Generation fighting the Good War.

Which is why I will repeat once again that there were no “good” sides in that war, there was the bad, the heinous and the most horrible.

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Oct 4, 2015 • 6:39:33am

re: #335 Nojay UK

“It’s my damn trilogy and I’ll kill anyone I damned well want to!” — any SF author five books into a trilogy and no sign of it ever ending…

I watched two episodes of GoT and had no interest in watching it any further. But I can understand that there are lots of people whose fantasy lives center around the series and are upset when their imaginary friends get killed.

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Decatur Deb  Oct 4, 2015 • 6:41:02am

re: #337 Nyet

Which is why I will repeat once again that there were no “good” sides in that war, there was the bad, the heinous and the most horrible.

The term for “collateral damage” among decent soldiers is “fuck-up”. No one gets paid extra for putting ordnance on hospitals.

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Oct 4, 2015 • 6:41:11am

re: #337 Nyet

Which is why I will repeat once again that there were no “good” sides in that war, there was the bad, the heinous and the most horrible.

WWII was first and foremost a war between two evil, murderous dictators, Hitler and Stalin. The rest of the war was a bit of a sideshow in comparison to that titanic struggle.

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Targetpractice  Oct 4, 2015 • 6:41:55am
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Dark_Falcon  Oct 4, 2015 • 6:46:26am

re: #333 Decatur Deb

I could name a couple hundred German and Japanese cities that learned otherwise. And that was the Greatest Generation fighting the Good War.

Once you accept the notion of war and its benefits, you live with the shit.

Had to be done, in most cases. That stadium in Ramadi that ISIS converted into a VBIED factory and that we then proceed to blow up and then we released the video of it being blown up? Most of the people who died in the blast were civilians, but we still had to destroy that facility, or even more people were going to die from the weapons being built there.

You have to knock out the other side’s weapons production, if possible, and doing so means killing people who don’t deserve to die.

“War is Cruelty, you cannot refine it. The crueler it is, the sooner it will be over.” - Gen. William Tecumseh Sherman, 1864

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Decatur Deb  Oct 4, 2015 • 6:50:01am

re: #342 Dark_Falcon

Had to be done, in most cases. That stadium in Ramadi that ISIS converted into a VBIED factory and that we then proceed to blow up and then we released the video of it being blown up? Most of the people who died in the blast were civilians, but we still had to destroy that facility, or even more people were going to die from the weapons being built there.

You have to knock out the other side’s weapons production, if possible, and doing so means killing people who don’t deserve to die.

“War is Cruelty, you cannot refine it. The crueler it is, the sooner it will be over.” - Gen. William Tecumseh Sherman, 1864

We should end every war quickly so we can move on to the next.

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Dark_Falcon  Oct 4, 2015 • 6:52:44am

re: #339 Decatur Deb

The term for “collateral damage” among decent soldiers is “fuck-up”. No one gets paid extra for putting ordnance on hospitals.

But Japan put machine tools in high school buildings in Nagasaki and used teenagers to make parts for Mitsubishi torpedoes and aircraft. Area fire weapons were the only way to take that production out, and given the lethality of Japanese torpedoes it had to be taken out if any invasion of Japan was to succeed.

As it happened, the atomic bomb that eliminated Nagasaki as a production center did, along with the A-bomb dropped on Hiroshima, cause Japan to surrender, but no one in the US could have been sure it would do so.

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darthstar  Oct 4, 2015 • 6:54:45am

re: #83 The Vicious Babushka

Well my son spent several hours making a reverse tornado in the pantry.

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That’s a baker’s larder.

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Feline Fearless Leader  Oct 4, 2015 • 7:12:31am

Good morning Lizards from overcast and cool Philadelphia. Busy here in Center City over the next few hours as the annual Puerto Rican parade and then Polish parade are scheduled. Also the last day of the “Art of the Brick” exhibit at the Franklin Institute.

Cats are curled up on the couch next to me. All tired out from an exhausting breakfast.

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Feline Fearless Leader  Oct 4, 2015 • 7:14:42am

Saw an amusing FB post mentioning that the United States has spent an exorbitant amount of money rescuing Matt Damon repeatedly:
- Saving Private Ryan
- Interstellar
- The Martian

Maybe they should just leave him there the next time.

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darthstar  Oct 4, 2015 • 7:24:29am
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Nyet  Oct 4, 2015 • 7:26:15am

re: #348 darthstar

I doubt this was accidental.

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darthstar  Oct 4, 2015 • 7:26:42am

re: #348 darthstar

Ha!

Redditor sauvignonomatic wrote, “I think it’s great to let the students know that each individual can have their own unique ‘candlelight’ and that mine doesn’t necessarily look like that other girl’s. Still, it gets everyone hot just the same.”

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Nyet  Oct 4, 2015 • 7:32:51am

I’m against any “atheism leaders”, but as a counter-narrative to all the assholes like Dawkins, Harris and Maher this will have to do:

8 Awesome Atheist Leaders Who Aren’t Richard Dawkins or Sam Harris
Atheism has great leaders, with widely varying points of view. And these eight are the tip of the iceberg.

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Dark_Falcon  Oct 4, 2015 • 7:33:01am

re: #347 Feline Fearless Leader

Saw an amusing FB post mentioning that the United States has spent an exorbitant amount of money rescuing Matt Damon repeatedly:
- Saving Private Ryan
- Interstellar
- The Martian

Maybe they should just leave him there the next time.

Not after The Martian, where Damon plays the ultimate ‘Purple’ character. Think about it: His character, Mark Watney, has the self-reliance and devotion to duty that decent conservatives value and seek to teach, he has the science skills dear to the hearts of decent liberals, and he has the resourcefulness and creativity that the decent of both parties treasure.

The only people who don’t like the Mark Watney character are Luddites who hate space exploration and Creationists who hate botany’s role in the development of science of genetics and from there the vindication of Darwin’s Theory of Evolution.

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Feline Fearless Leader  Oct 4, 2015 • 7:44:21am

re: #352 Dark_Falcon

Not after The Martian, where Damon plays the ultimate ‘Purple’ character. Think about it: His character, Mark Watney, has the self-reliance and devotion to duty that decent conservatives value and seek to teach, he has the science skills dear to the hearts of decent liberals, and he has the resourcefulness and creativity that the decent of both parties treasure.

The only people who don’t like the Mark Watney character are Luddites who hate space exploration and Creationists who hate botany’s role in the development of science of genetics and from there the vindication of Darwin’s Theory of Evolution.

Unfortunately if the situation happened in real life I would expect that multiple editorials would be produced that the government should not expend the funds to attempt to rescue one man from Mars.

(Spoiler alert - for the book at least)

Not to mention the *massive* whining that would break out in certain circles regarding cooperation with the Chinese space program in regards to letting them be the booster for a care package. The Chinese would be certain to sample the package and steal US strategic secrets regarding the composition of protein bars.

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Decatur Deb  Oct 4, 2015 • 7:45:00am

re: #351 Nyet

I’m against any “atheism leaders”, but as a counter-narrative to all the assholes like Dawkins, Harris and Maher this will have to do:

An atheist needs a leader like a carousel needs a navigator.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Oct 4, 2015 • 7:47:33am

ACL yesterday. Alabama Shakes were amazing, in spite of being limited to a 1 hour set. Walk on The Moon was a blast too.

Decemberists and the headliner The Strokes tonight. So excited.

Have a great Sunday, everyone!

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Nyet  Oct 4, 2015 • 7:51:21am

re: #351 Nyet

And here is Christina’s interview with FFRF’s Annie Laurie Gaylor:
freethoughtblogs.com

ALG: My mother Anne Nicol Gaylor and I cofounded the Freedom From Religion Foundation back in 1976, when she was a feminist volunteer and I was a college student. My mother had been an early abortion rights activist. Our eyes were opened to the dangers of dogma in government (with me trailing around after my mother when I was in junior high school and high school). We clearly saw the only organized opposition to legalizing abortion is exclusively religious.

[…]

FFRF has taken over 70 lawsuits, winning many important victories for state/church separation. Our goal is to end violations through education and persuasion, but when that doesn’t work, we litigate if the circumstances are promising.

[…]

We just won a federal lawsuit in Pennsylvania to remove a ten commandments marker from a junior high school! We just filed a lawsuit with the ACLU and Americans United in Florida seeking to ensure that a nonreligous citizen can give an invocation to a city council. We are planning to refile some litigation against religious privileging by the IRS and have about 8 other ongoing lawsuits at the moment.

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Dark_Falcon  Oct 4, 2015 • 7:55:46am

re: #353 Feline Fearless Leader

Unfortunately if the situation happened in real life I would expect that multiple editorials would be produced that the government should not expend the funds to attempt to rescue one man from Mars.

(Spoiler alert - for the book at least)

Not to mention the *massive* whining that would break out in certain circles regarding cooperation with the Chinese space program in regards to letting them be the booster for a care package. The Chinese would be certain to sample the package and steal US strategic secrets regarding the composition of protein bars.

There’d be editorials, but they wouldn’t carry the day. The US probe (that ultimately blows up) would be worth too much to too many major corporations for it to be stopped by grass-roots activism. In the story Mark Watney farms on Mars, but back on Earth the program for his rescue, in the US and ultimately in China as well, would be protected by the large corporations desire to farm their respective governments.

It’s the sort of story John Maynard Keynes would like, in that way.

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ObserverArt  Oct 4, 2015 • 8:03:36am

re: #178 SteveMcGaziBolaGate

I disagree about the importance of her last campaign. It was the most important race of her life. There should have been nothing left in the bag, but it turned out there wasn’t much in the bag. The lifetime of accomplishment was never discussed. She was a lawyer. She was a first lady. She won a noncompetitive Senate seat. She had one crucial vote while sitting in that seat and chickened out. She should have trounced young Senator Obama with that lifetime of achievements, but all she gave us was Snipergate, white skin, and Reverend Wright.
I’m just as worried as everybody else about a Republican President picking SC justices, ditching treaties, and relaxing regulations (for starters). But I think it’s more than fair to argue that Hilary Clinton is running a lousy campaign (again) and can blow this race. I argue that you can’t count on Democrats turning out to vote. People also keep forgetting about voter ID laws that will render many polls meaningless. Somebody has got to get her off her butt and start running a campaign that can win.

I know this comment was last evening, but it points out something I’ve noticed with other people I talk politics with.

You admitted you are a Republican…and all the points you bring up about Hillary are all generated from a Republican perspective. Yet you say you will vote for her, but complain like a Republican about her.

What you should admit is you are really really frustrated by the bullshit in your own party that makes you sick of them. Yet, again you buy that bullshit and use it as they intend against Hillary.

You sir have a Republican problem. It is not Hillary, you just target her because you can. And why can you, because she is a Democrat and you are a Republican. A pissed off Republican trapped into voting for a Democrat.

Why don’t you still vote for Hillary, but start to work on why your party is so fucked up. It will help us all. And if the Republicans weren’t the dirty politics wankers they are, you probably would have a different opinion of Hillary.

And one more point about what is obviously a deep frustration with your party. You criticize Hillary for not having any accomplishments. Please list for us all the accomplishments of the Republican candidates. I bet you have a problem with it, and there is your problem. They are less qualified to be President than she is.

You don’t like Hillary because she is the best candidate your party can’t enter into the fray. So, you bitch about her.

We all try to touch the ones that can be touched. Your party is out of touch and you lash out at Clinton for it.

I sometimes wonder what real Republicans are doing about the problems in their own party. I get the feeling they do nothing. Nothing is going to change for pissed off Republican because your party is not listening to you. There is the real problem…for all of America.

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Belafon  Oct 4, 2015 • 8:03:37am

re: #341 Targetpractice

On why he created an extinction event for his new book, Seveneves, Neal Stephenson said “It was the only way I could kill more people than George R.R. Martin”

Neal Stephenson supposedly said it at a book signing event in Seattle.

reddit.com

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Nyet  Oct 4, 2015 • 8:04:09am

re: #354 Decatur Deb
freethoughtblogs.com

So I thought I should take a moment to explain what, exactly, I mean by “leader.”

I’d thought this would be obvious, but perhaps it’s not: When I say “leader,” I don’t mean “person you never oppose.” I don’t mean “person who tells you what to believe.” I don’t mean “enforcer of a dictated belief system.” I don’t mean “dictator”; I don’t mean “demagogue”; I don’t mean “pope.”

I mean — well, what exactly do I mean?

To a great extent, when I talk about atheist leaders, I mean “organizers.” There are communities and organizations created to advocate for atheists’ rights, to create greater visibility for atheists and push back against the bigotry about us, to provide social and practical support for atheists.
[…]

These organizations and communities do not just happen by themselves. They do not spontaneously generate themselves into existence, and their work isn’t driven by some sort of perpetual motion machine. They’re organized by… well, by organizers. They’re organized by people who reserve meeting places, issue press releases, moderate discussion groups, reserve billboards, argue with billboard companies who don’t want to rent billboard space to atheists, file lawsuits, hire speakers, make Facebook announcements about events, raise money, do bookkeeping, communicate with organizers of other atheist groups and other social change movements, give interviews to media articulating the positions of their group, find out what the hell happened when the website crashed — and so very much more. They are organized by people who listen to the members of their organizations and communities, pay attention to what they need and want, and co-ordinate efforts to make it happen.

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Belafon  Oct 4, 2015 • 8:06:35am

re: #311 Nyet

web.archive.org

So the Wicca/Pagan refs were to his match, some reports were misleading.

He also was not against “interracial” dating, although, like Chuck et al., he might have been interested in Asians, which doesn’t contradict some strains of white supremacism (although a black white supremacist is still something, I should say):

When Chuck brought up being married to an Asian, Adam Corolla told him that was even more white than marrying a white woman.

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Nyet  Oct 4, 2015 • 8:07:27am

re: #360 Nyet

when I say “atheist leader,” I don’t mean “atheist dictator” or “atheist pope.” I mean:

(a) a person who co-ordinates the efforts of an atheist organization or community group;

(b) a person who comes up with ideas for future directions for atheist organizations and community groups, and who persuades and inspires others to move in those directions;

UPDATE: (b.1): a person who helps a group of atheists figure out and articulate their own needs and ideas;

(c) a person who articulates ideas that are commonly held among atheists, who boosts the signal of those ideas, and who shapes those ideas.

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Oct 4, 2015 • 8:10:30am

re: #362 Nyet

Electing an atheist Pope is sort of like founding an academy of the avant-garde…

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Decatur Deb  Oct 4, 2015 • 8:13:05am

re: #362 Nyet

Not having to attend meetings might be the single greatest benefit of agnosticism.

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Oct 4, 2015 • 8:15:47am

re: #364 Decatur Deb

Not having to attend meetings might be the single greatest benefit of agnosticism.

My ex got involved in Nichiren Buddhism, which I could appreciate for the fact that they had no clergy, it was entirely a lay organization with elected leaders.

Not that I could ever identify with the religion, but I did like their sense of organization.

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Nyet  Oct 4, 2015 • 8:17:02am

re: #364 Decatur Deb

Not having to attend meetings might be the single greatest benefit of agnosticism.

As well as of atheism and any sufficiently liberal version of religion.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Oct 4, 2015 • 8:18:29am

Ever notice how I never capitalize atheist or atheism? There’s a reason for that.

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Nyet  Oct 4, 2015 • 8:20:30am

re: #367 Blind Frog Belly White

Ever notice how I never capitalize atheist or atheism? There’s a reason for that.

Called “grammar”. ;)

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Decatur Deb  Oct 4, 2015 • 8:20:31am

re: #366 Nyet

As well as of atheism and any sufficiently liberal version of religion.

Given a chance, an atheist hierarchy will ruin that. I smell the spoor of tithers, missionary boards, a building committee and a ladies’ auxiliary potluck.

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Nyet  Oct 4, 2015 • 8:22:41am

re: #369 Decatur Deb

Given a chance, an atheist hierarchy will ruin that. I smell the spoor of tithers, missionary boards, a building committee and a ladies’ auxiliary potluck.

Oh, a hierarchy will ruin everything. And in addition the agnostic hierarchy will do it smugly. ;)

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Decatur Deb  Oct 4, 2015 • 8:23:53am

re: #370 Nyet

Oh, a hierarchy will ruin everything. And in addition the agnostic hierarchy will do it smugly. ;)

Children say I have two modes: smug and snit.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Oct 4, 2015 • 8:26:10am

re: #368 Nyet

Called “grammar”. ;)

Yes, but more to the point, atheism is not a belief system, religion, movement, organization, etc. For atheists to make common cause, or organize in any kind of exclusive way is a huge mistake. Organizations that fight for ACTUAL religious freedom don’t need to be atheist, because true freedom of religion includes the freedom from discrimination for ANY religious belief including none.

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Oct 4, 2015 • 8:29:45am

re: #372 Blind Frog Belly White

Yes, but more to the point, atheism is not a belief system, religion, movement, organization, etc. For atheists to make common cause, or organize in any kind of exclusive way is a huge mistake. Organizations that fight for ACTUAL religious freedom don’t need to be atheist, because true freedom of religion includes the freedom from discrimination for ANY religious belief including none.

Christianity used to be the default and de facto state religion in America. The so-called “war on Christianity” is simply the the result of society finally recognizing the fact that we are not a default or de facto Christian nation.

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Belafon  Oct 4, 2015 • 8:30:11am

re: #372 Blind Frog Belly White

Yes, but more to the point, atheism is not a belief system, religion, movement, organization, etc. For atheists to make common cause, or organize in any kind of exclusive way is a huge mistake. Organizations that fight for ACTUAL religious freedom don’t need to be atheist, because true freedom of religion includes the freedom from discrimination for ANY religious belief including none.

That would be like saying labor doesn’t need to organize to protect their goals because everyone needs to work. It ignores reality, which is that if you don’t protect your rights, no one else will.

ETA: Part of the appeal of the 1st Amendment was that it kept Catholics from having more influence than Baptists. Now, though, politically these groups are on the same side and don’t really care about protecting other religious freedoms.

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Nyet  Oct 4, 2015 • 8:32:41am

re: #372 Blind Frog Belly White

Yes, but more to the point, atheism is not a belief system, religion, movement, organization, etc. For atheists to make common cause, or organize in any kind of exclusive way is a huge mistake. Organizations that fight for ACTUAL religious freedom don’t need to be atheist, because true freedom of religion includes the freedom from discrimination for ANY religious belief including none.

Not quite. It’s a bit like arguing that “all lives matter” - true, but misses the point.

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ObserverArt  Oct 4, 2015 • 8:33:05am

re: #343 Decatur Deb

We should end every war quickly so we can move on to the next.

Did you forget a Cheney credit for that?

/

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Nyet  Oct 4, 2015 • 8:34:43am

Why have a Jewish Anti-Defamation League? Just have an anti-bigotry org that fights every form of discrimination. Oh, wait, that’s because antisemitism is a thing of its own.

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Dark_Falcon  Oct 4, 2015 • 8:34:49am

What hath Trump wrought?

Dressed in camouflage gear and wielding heavy machine guns, these men look like they are off to war.

But while the pictures appear to show this band of brothers patrolling a conflict zone, they are actually guarding the border between the US and Mexico.

The ‘watchmen’ of The Arizona Border Recon - led by the group’s chief ‘Nailer’ - protect the border near the Mexican town of Nogales, with three goals; stop illegal immigration, stop drug smuggling, and stop human trafficking.

The striking photographs were taken by Johnny Milano for his project The Hills of Pima, capturing the men’s 24-hour operation which sees them monitor the border, watch carefully for immigrants and stop cross-country criminals in their tracks.

Coming soon: Wingnuts Militia vs. Cartel Gunmen: Whoever wins, both the US and Mexico lose.

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ObserverArt  Oct 4, 2015 • 8:39:48am

re: #377 Nyet

Why have a Jewish Anti-Defamation League? Just have an anti-bigotry org that fights every form of discrimination. Oh, wait, that’s because antisemitism is a thing of its own.

Isn’t the SPLC sort of in that capacity? I think of it that way.

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Nyet  Oct 4, 2015 • 8:39:58am
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Nyet  Oct 4, 2015 • 8:40:45am

re: #379 ObserverArt

Isn’t the SPLC sort of in that capacity? I think of it that way.

Yes. But there’s nothing wrong with ADL existing just because more generalist orgs exist too, right?

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ObserverArt  Oct 4, 2015 • 8:42:14am

re: #381 Nyet

Yes. But there’s nothing wrong with ADL existing just because more generalist orgs exist too, right?

Oh no, not at all. I was just mentioning SPLC as an all-purpose group.

Fact is we need a ton of these organization.

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Decatur Deb  Oct 4, 2015 • 8:42:54am

re: #379 ObserverArt

Isn’t the SPLC sort of in that capacity? I think of it that way.

A multiplicity of anti-bigotry groups doesn’t hurt, unless they lose track of the common roots of much of the ‘opposition’. When they compete, rather than cooperating, it is at least wasteful.

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Nyet  Oct 4, 2015 • 8:43:22am

re: #380 Nyet

Criticisms of Coulter continued into 2015 but were increasingly opposed by white supremacists with positive views of her. Coulter received many high marks from posters on Stormfront as well as other white supremacist sites by June when her book Adios, America! was released. They believed that she was giving a voice to their own views in the mainstream after she made bigoted comments about immigrants in her book.

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Dark_Falcon  Oct 4, 2015 • 8:45:03am

re: #380 Nyet

Speaking of which, Ann Coulter Admiration Grows Among White Supremacists.

No surprise. Coulter has made her career out of bomb throwing and after Barack Obama’s election she took her nastiness to new and even more dismal depths.

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Nyet  Oct 4, 2015 • 8:46:09am

Which is not to say that I’m not suspicious about movements, atheist or otherwise. You want to kill a good idea, start a movement around it ;)
And yet, do non-believers’ rights orgs make sense? To me, yes.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Oct 4, 2015 • 8:46:12am

My point is that for atheists to organize in any kind of exclusively or even mainly atheist advocacy group is the quick route to becoming just another religion.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Oct 4, 2015 • 8:47:37am

re: #385 Dark_Falcon

No surprise. Coulter has made her career out of bomb throwing and after Barack Obama’s election she took her nastiness to new and even more dismal depths.

Well, and over the last few months she’s been openly antisemitic, and openly antiCatholic in addition to her usual anti-Muslim, anti-Latino, and anti-Black schtick.

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Belafon  Oct 4, 2015 • 8:47:59am

re: #387 Blind Frog Belly White

My point is that for atheists to organize in any kind of exclusively or even mainly atheist advocacy group is the quick route to becoming just another religion.

Is BlackLivesMatter a religion?

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Nyet  Oct 4, 2015 • 8:48:41am

re: #387 Blind Frog Belly White

My point is that for atheists to organize in any kind of exclusively or even mainly atheist advocacy group is the quick route to becoming just another religion.

The danger is always there, for any movement.

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Decatur Deb  Oct 4, 2015 • 8:49:07am

re: #379 ObserverArt

Isn’t the SPLC sort of in that capacity? I think of it that way.

SPLC is nominally broad-spectrum, but historically and statistically is focused on B-W in the confederate zone.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Oct 4, 2015 • 8:49:57am

re: #389 Belafon

Is BlackLivesMatter a religion?

Blacks share more than the absence of a belief.

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Dark_Falcon  Oct 4, 2015 • 8:51:42am

re: #388 Blind Frog Belly White

Well, and over the last few months she’s been openly antisemitic, and openly antiCatholic in addition to her usual anti-Muslim, anti-Latino, and anti-Black schtick.

And that’s why she’s moving to the fringe: Anti-Catholic and anti-Semitic hate has no mainstream market in America.

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Belafon  Oct 4, 2015 • 8:53:07am

re: #390 Nyet

The danger is always there, for any movement.

I will accept that any movement can become a self-preserving system that no longer exists to accomplish its original goals. That is a serious danger.

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Nyet  Oct 4, 2015 • 8:55:16am

re: #392 Blind Frog Belly White

Blacks share more than the absence of a belief.

Ah, but the world doesn’t work like that. Let’s take the US. Non-believers might not share much culturally, and yet the discrimination is structural. Not only various historic state laws (however unenforceable they might be today), but also the general population attitudes:

gallup.com

While more than nine in 10 Americans would vote for a presidential candidate who is black, a woman, Catholic, Hispanic, or Jewish, significantly smaller percentages would vote for one who is an atheist (54%) or Muslim (58%). Americans’ willingness to vote for a Mormon (80%) or gay or lesbian (68%) candidate falls between these two extremes.

Often it’s the outside world that unites people, maybe against their will.

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Belafon  Oct 4, 2015 • 8:57:55am

re: #392 Blind Frog Belly White

Blacks share more than the absence of a belief.

That’s a rather silly response.

I’m picking on your use of the word religion as a organizing principle. There are lots of things that organize that have nothing to do with religion, and some of them have been around for quite a while. Getting those who don’t believe in a deity to work together to defend not only their rights, but those of others, won’t suddenly make it a religion.

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Nyet  Oct 4, 2015 • 8:58:09am

re: #394 Belafon

I will accept that any movement can become a self-preserving system that no longer exists to accomplish its original goals. That is a serious danger.

Movements shouldn’t be idolized, they should be seen as useful tools. Once they outlive their usefulness…

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Decatur Deb  Oct 4, 2015 • 8:58:27am

re: #394 Belafon

I will accept that any movement can become a self-preserving system that no longer exists to accomplish its original goals. That is a serious danger.

Holy Synod

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ObserverArt  Oct 4, 2015 • 8:59:33am

re: #391 Decatur Deb

SPLC is nominally broad-spectrum, but historically and statistically is focused on B-W in the confederate zone.

Definitely where they got their start. But when you see them put out warnings about idiots like Alex Jones and the like you know they are interested in it all.

Maybe we need an EPLC, NPLC, WPLC and SPLC. It would not bother me any.

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Nyet  Oct 4, 2015 • 9:01:18am

It’s not like LGBT people share all that much culturally - they come from different strata of society. When they do, it’s because the outside world closes in on them, “pressing” them together. Hence LGBT orgs, gay prides etc. - with the same questions asked about them - “why do you have gay prides, we straight people don’t advertise our sexuality in parades!”.

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ObserverArt  Oct 4, 2015 • 9:02:57am

re: #393 Dark_Falcon

And that’s why she’s moving to the fringe: Anti-Catholic and anti-Semitic hate has no mainstream market in America.

Let’s just call her what she really is. A prostitute.

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Nyet  Oct 4, 2015 • 9:03:28am

Now, I will admit that an atheist org in the Czech republic may not make much sense:

According to a Eurobarometer Poll in 2010,[6] 16% of Czech citizens responded that “they believe there is a God” (the lowest rate among the countries of the European Union), whereas 44% answered that “they believe there is some sort of spirit or life force” and 37% said that “they do not believe there is any sort of spirit, God or life force”.

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Camacho DeezNuts 2016  Oct 4, 2015 • 9:04:05am

re: #401 ObserverArt

Let’s just call her what she really is. A prostitute.

An ideological prostitute.

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Nyet  Oct 4, 2015 • 9:05:34am

re: #401 ObserverArt

Let’s just call her what she really is. A prostitute.

Now, that’s an insult to all honest sex workers ;)

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Camacho DeezNuts 2016  Oct 4, 2015 • 9:06:11am

On today’s round of Todd Starnes, Yes or No? I won:

OPINION: The Day Christians Were Martyred on American Soil

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Dr. Matt  Oct 4, 2015 • 9:07:55am
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ObserverArt  Oct 4, 2015 • 9:08:22am

re: #403 Camacho DeezNuts 2016

An ideological prostitute.

I was surprised (gladly so) by the definition at Merriam-Webster Online.

1 prostitute
verb pros*ti*tute ˈpräs-tə-ˌtüt, -ˌtyüt
: to use (something valuable, such as talent) in a way that is not appropriate or respectable and especially to earn money.

Perfect. Lot of prostitutes in the political world. And a lot of them fashion themselves Christian too. A real dichotomy there!

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makeitstop  Oct 4, 2015 • 9:16:41am

re: #254 Nojay UK

Have you considered an intervention?

I have a friend who had a bad collecting habit, ended up with (when he counted them) twenty-three acoustic guitars, mandolins etc. as well as quite a few solid-body electric guitars and a bunch of acoustic-pickup hybrids. He rarely played them, stored many of them in an unheated garage and he had financial problems. Eventually other people around him helped him get assistance to declutter and stop buying yet more “toys”.

The difference between your friend and me is I play these guitars. Except for a couple of investment pieces and a couple that aren’t that great but have sentimental value, I use them all pretty regularly. Telecasters for country, Strats for cleaner and quieter stuff, Gibsons for rock.

They each got their own quirks, their own tonal differences. I collect because I appreciate those differences. My 35 guitars is small potatoes compared to some of my friends whose collections get near or over 100 guitars.

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Dark_Falcon  Oct 4, 2015 • 9:20:02am

re: #405 Camacho DeezNuts 2016

On today’s round of Todd Starnes, Yes or No? I won:

OPINION: The Day Christians Were Martyred on American Soil

For once, a line like that is accurate. The murderer killed Christians for being Christian, and that is martyring them according to traditional Catholic teachings at least.

But that aspect of the rampage of this slimeball (whose name I will not utter or write) occurred largely in isolation. There’s not a substantial movement in the US that wants to kill Christians, not matter what Sean Hannity says. The slimeball was in fact notable for his lack of friends and real life contacts.

So Christians were indeed martyred, but their martyrdom does not represent an anti-Christian trend.

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SteveMcGaziBolaGate  Oct 4, 2015 • 9:21:12am

re: #358 ObserverArt

I know this comment was last evening, but it points out something I’ve noticed with other people I talk politics with.

You admitted you are a Republican…and all the points you bring up about Hillary are all generated from a Republican perspective. Yet you say you will vote for her, but complain like a Republican about her.

What you should admit is you are really really frustrated by the bullshit in your own party that makes you sick of them. Yet, again you buy that bullshit and use it as they intend against Hillary.

You sir have a Republican problem. It is not Hillary, you just target her because you can. And why can you, because she is a Democrat and you are a Republican. A pissed off Republican trapped into voting for a Democrat.

Why don’t you still vote for Hillary, but start to work on why your party is so fucked up. It will help us all. And if the Republicans weren’t the dirty politics wankers they are, you probably would have a different opinion of Hillary.

And one more point about what is obviously a deep frustration with your party. You criticize Hillary for not having any accomplishments. Please list for us all the accomplishments of the Republican candidates. I bet you have a problem with it, and there is your problem. They are less qualified to be President than she is.

You don’t like Hillary because she is the best candidate your party can’t enter into the fray. So, you bitch about her.

We all try to touch the ones that can be touched. Your party is out of touch and you lash out at Clinton for it.

I sometimes wonder what real Republicans are doing about the problems in their own party. I get the feeling they do nothing. Nothing is going to change for pissed off Republican because your party is not listening to you. There is the real problem…for all of America.

What I see here is an argument of denial. Republicans aren’t the ones flocking to Bernie Sanders’ rallies and yearning for Joe Biden to run. Don’t dismiss criticism of Hilary Clinton as republican talking points or boilerplate. That isn’t an argument. It doesn’t promote any reasons that anybody should vote for her. I honestly don’t remember how long it has been since I voted for a republican. It’s probably at least 15 years. I’m a conservative, not a right winger. I view government’s primary roles as sort of a referee (among conflicting economic interests), and as a developer of common interests (infrastructure and defense).
However, expecting more of somebody who is running for President is NOT a left wing/right wing issue. Highlighting a candidate’s negatives is not a right wing thing. Hilary Clinton snatched defeat from the jaws of victory in 2008. Do you want to take the chance she’ll do it again? If she did it once, she can do it again. I don’t argue from the perspective of a Republican, in fact I argue from the perspective of somebody who knows just how badly Republicans are, and I argue from the perspective of somebody who knows Clinton since 1992.
If I were arguing as a right winger, I would be doing different things. I would be resorting to generalizations and ideas, rather that details. I would be hollering that the email fiasco is a sign she is untrustworthy (as you heard last week). Instead I argue it is a sign of incompetence. As a right winger I would be hyping the culture war (abortion, SSM, war on Christians). I don’t do that. I highlight concrete political problems she has in light of the fact that you can’t take Democratic voter turnout for granted, especially in light of voter restriction laws. Others have lamented the feckless Democratic party leadership, which is something I should consider, but I’m not going to rush into that half-cocked.
These are legitimate arguments which just get brushed aside by attributing them to RW talking points. Only once did somebody upstairs come up with an actual argument on her behalf, by citing her support of SCHIP.
Is argument by name-calling really the best you got?

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SteveMcGaziBolaGate  Oct 4, 2015 • 9:21:47am

re: #398 Decatur Deb

Holy Synod

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It’s the Knights of the Round Table!

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ObserverArt  Oct 4, 2015 • 9:22:50am

re: #408 makeitstop

The difference between your friend and me is I play these guitars. Except for a couple of investment pieces and a couple that aren’t that great but have sentimental value, I use them all pretty regularly. Telecasters for country, Strats for cleaner and quieter stuff, Gibsons for rock.

They each got their own quirks, their own tonal differences. I collect because I appreciate those differences. My 35 guitars is small potatoes compared to some of my friends whose collections get near or over 100 guitars.

My guitar jamming buddy has well over 100. And over the course of a year or so, they all get played.

I was looking at your “drying” guitars photo up above. Do I see a Danelectro or two in there?

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b_sharp  Oct 4, 2015 • 9:24:28am

re: #408 makeitstop

The difference between your friend and me is I play these guitars. Except for a couple of investment pieces and a couple that aren’t that great but have sentimental value, I use them all pretty regularly. Telecasters for country, Strats for cleaner and quieter stuff, Gibsons for rock.

They each got their own quirks, their own tonal differences. I collect because I appreciate those differences. My 35 guitars is small potatoes compared to some of my friends whose collections get near or over 100 guitars.

I have 14 working guitars & 3 guitars in the middle of being refinished. I play guitars, and that’s why I started buying them when my business was doing well. Well, part of my buying binge was due to my brother’s death - he was an amazing drummer and the drummer in the band we had in the ’70s.

I looked at my guitar in the living room this morning , before even opening my laptop and realized I haven’t picked up one of my guitars to play in more than 2 years.

I’ve lost my will to play I guess.

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b_sharp  Oct 4, 2015 • 9:25:24am

re: #412 ObserverArt

My guitar jamming buddy has well over 100. And over the course of a year or so, they all get played.

I was looking at your “drying” guitars photo up above. Do I see a Danelectro or two in there?

I have a Danelectro baritone.

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SteveMcGaziBolaGate  Oct 4, 2015 • 9:28:38am

What I think makes a guitar beautiful is the potential it has. Construction-wise, they are obviously very similar, but even a beat-up guitar can make beautiful music. The art is in the hands that hold it.

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b_sharp  Oct 4, 2015 • 9:28:59am

re: #415 SteveMcGaziBolaGate

What I think makes a guitar beautiful is the potential it has. Construction-wise, they are obviously very similar, but even a beat-up guitar can make beautiful music. The art is in the hands that hold it.

Very much so.

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Belafon  Oct 4, 2015 • 9:30:10am

re: #413 b_sharp

I looked at my guitar in the living room this morning , before even opening my laptop and realized I haven’t picked up one of my guitars to play in more than 2 years.

With kids, I have room for about two things in my life after work. I bought a bass guitar because I want to learn to play (someone has to, and no one else has). But I’m constantly 1) studying programming, and 2) hanging out on political websites. Things keep interrupting my wanting to play.

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Great White Snark  Oct 4, 2015 • 9:33:06am

Drive by this errand filled Sunday-For one of the most intelligent and calm points of view of guns & gun laws listen to Gabby Giffords husband Mark Kelley. Here we have a guy that points out mental health has been a component of mass shooting most of the time. He can say that without being thought of as a guy making excuses to put off sensible gun laws. To then go on to talk about how much sense it makes for bg checks and universal registration.

He has nothing to say about egregious laws like Californians slow moving handgun sales ban that is already on the books. Polite enough to not make an issue of the wrong approaches in gun laws. or how mental health was abandoned as a priority long ago and the direct deadly mass shooting consequences of that. .

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b_sharp  Oct 4, 2015 • 9:34:11am

re: #417 Belafon

With kids, I have room for about two things in my life after work. I bought a bass guitar because I want to learn to play (someone has to, and no one else has). But I’m constantly 1) studying programming, and 2) hanging out on political websites. Things keep interrupting my wanting to play.

Yah, politics has kind of taken over my time too.

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b_sharp  Oct 4, 2015 • 9:37:25am

I dare you to not upding this comment.

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Camacho DeezNuts 2016  Oct 4, 2015 • 9:38:17am

re: #420 b_sharp

I dare you to not upding this comment.

I updinged it, downdinged it, then updinged it. AGAIN.

Take that.

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b_sharp  Oct 4, 2015 • 9:39:58am

re: #421 Camacho DeezNuts 2016

I updinged it, downdinged it, then updinged it. AGAIN.

Take that.

You,… you.

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A Cranky One  Oct 4, 2015 • 9:40:36am

re: #408 makeitstop

The difference between your friend and me is I play these guitars. Except for a couple of investment pieces and a couple that aren’t that great but have sentimental value, I use them all pretty regularly. Telecasters for country, Strats for cleaner and quieter stuff, Gibsons for rock.

They each got their own quirks, their own tonal differences. I collect because I appreciate those differences. My 35 guitars is small potatoes compared to some of my friends whose collections get near or over 100 guitars.

When I got guitar number 6, Mrs Cranky asked “Why do you have so many? You can only play one at a time.” I pointed out the differences in sound, and how you play guitars differently depending on the sound and characteristics of the guitar. She still didn’t understand.

Shortly after that, we attended a concert. Every time the guitarist changed guitars I nudged Mrs Cranky. She wasn’t amused. ;)

But guitars can be an addiction. Just look at what’s happened to WL. ;)

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ObserverArt  Oct 4, 2015 • 9:46:33am

re: #410 SteveMcGaziBolaGate

What I see here is an argument of denial. Republicans aren’t the ones flocking to Bernie Sanders’ rallies and yearning for Joe Biden to run. Don’t dismiss criticism of Hilary Clinton as republican talking points or boilerplate. That isn’t an argument. It doesn’t promote any reasons that anybody should vote for her. I honestly don’t remember how long it has been since I voted for a republican. It’s probably at least 15 years. I’m a conservative, not a right winger. I view government’s primary roles as sort of a referee (among conflicting economic interests), and as a developer of common interests (infrastructure and defense).
However, expecting more of somebody who is running for President is NOT a left wing/right wing issue. Highlighting a candidate’s negatives is not a right wing thing. Hilary Clinton snatched defeat from the jaws of victory in 2008. Do you want to take the chance she’ll do it again? If she did it once, she can do it again. I don’t argue from the perspective of a Republican, in fact I argue from the perspective of somebody who knows just how badly Republicans are, and I argue from the perspective of somebody who knows Clinton since 1992.
If I were arguing as a right winger, I would be doing different things. I would be resorting to generalizations and ideas, rather that details. I would be hollering that the email fiasco is a sign she is untrustworthy (as you heard last week). Instead I argue it is a sign of incompetence. As a right winger I would be hyping the culture war (abortion, SSM, war on Christians). I don’t do that. I highlight concrete political problems she has in light of the fact that you can’t take Democratic voter turnout for granted, especially in light of voter restriction laws. Others have lamented the feckless Democratic party leadership, which is something I should consider, but I’m not going to rush into that half-cocked.
These are legitimate arguments which just get brushed aside by attributing them to RW talking points. Only once did somebody upstairs come up with an actual argument on her behalf, by citing her support of SCHIP.
Is argument by name-calling really the best you got?

If you reduce my comment to name calling you are missing the whole point.

It is simply frustration. And it appears you are taking Clinton apart because you too are afraid of a Republican getting elected.

That is not Clinton’s problem. That is the point.

Are you in a way trying to find all of her faults so you don’t have to vote for her? Then she is not your candidate…and thus your frustration. And then your frustration comes out in your comments.

Anything else I say is just going to help it all enter into vicious cycle syndrome. If you don’t like my comment, I have no problem with that. But I stand on it.

Oh…and are you really saying calling you a “pissed off Republican” is name calling? Come on Steve. Really?

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Camacho DeezNuts 2016  Oct 4, 2015 • 9:48:09am

re: #409 Dark_Falcon

You take the literal interpretation of a sentence but miss the real meaning of it. The Prince of Christian Persecution is making a case that Christians are being persecuted, as is his wont. According to him, the story is that Christians are being persecuted for none other that them being Christians.

Not access to gun control, the shooter’s own mental state, or the shooter’s own twisted sense of Christianity.

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Eventual Carrion  Oct 4, 2015 • 9:49:05am

re: #423 A Cranky One

When I got guitar number 6, Mrs Cranky asked “Why do you have so many? You can only play one at a time.” I pointed out the differences in sound, and how you play guitars differently depending on the sound and characteristics of the guitar. She still didn’t understand.

Shortly after that, we attended a concert. Every time the guitarist changed guitars I nudged Mrs Cranky. She wasn’t amused. ;)

But guitars can be an addiction. Just look at what’s happened to WL. ;)

I only have 4 (and one that is half guitar and half Frankenstein that doesn’t play right now). A 6-string hardbody electric, an acoustic 6-string, an acoustic/electric 6-string, and an acoustic/electric 12-string. Covers pretty much all my needs. I also have to replace valve pads on the sax and get back to that.

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Stanley Sea Toujours  Oct 4, 2015 • 9:49:39am

Beach - how’s your place? My dad’s area very flooded this am.

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Varek Raith  Oct 4, 2015 • 9:50:06am

re: #420 b_sharp

I dare you to not upding this comment.

Ok.

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ObserverArt  Oct 4, 2015 • 9:51:27am

Later all. I am finally warm and awake enough to do something.

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b_sharp  Oct 4, 2015 • 10:00:09am

Pretty quiet around here this morning. Everybody must be at church.

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Stanley Sea Toujours  Oct 4, 2015 • 10:01:04am

1/2 way thru coffee #1.

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Great White Snark  Oct 4, 2015 • 10:10:17am

Dark, Just IMHO.
We should all step back from what this guy said. What they all say. Or wrote. Or FB’d. The only reason anyone takes the thoughts or utterances of some mentally ill person that commits a mass shooting seriously is if it advances their agenda, or provides grist for a critics mill. Hell that’s somewhat true of a terrorists attack. Tim McVeigh for instance.

The rest of us know better but get caught up. “because they were Christian” “because it was an IRS building” “because they are Jews” “Because (fill in sick delusions here)” It’s because they are people willing to initiate deadly violence. That really should be listed as a specific mental illness. or at least symptom.

Look at how he got his guns. How he could have been stopped or better yet prevented access to the guns or prevented from coming to that state of mind. To start killing.

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A Cranky One  Oct 4, 2015 • 10:12:25am

re: #426 Eventual Carrion

I only have 4 (and one that is half guitar and half Frankenstein that doesn’t play right now). A 6-string hardbody electric, an acoustic 6-string, an acoustic/electric 6-string, and an acoustic/electric 12-string. Covers pretty much all my needs. I also have to replace valve pads on the sax and get back to that.

I’m in a similar mode. Tele, Strat, Les Paul for electric needs, a nice classical acoustic, a Taylor acoustic and a bass for laying down bass lines to play along with.

Doesn’t mean I’m not tempted by many other guitars, and there are a few I’d love to have, but I’d need to have more free time to play before I could justify purchase of another. Or at least that’s what I tell myself. ;)

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makeitstop  Oct 4, 2015 • 10:15:34am

re: #412 ObserverArt

My guitar jamming buddy has well over 100. And over the course of a year or so, they all get played.

I was looking at your “drying” guitars photo up above. Do I see a Danelectro or two in there?

Yeah, there’s a ‘61 single pickup Dano in there. It came to me with the headstock snapped clean off, and I was able to repair it to the point where it’s pretty good slide guitar. The setup options weren’t that great on those guitars when they were new, so a slide piece was the best I could get out of it. :)

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Camacho DeezNuts 2016  Oct 4, 2015 • 10:17:42am

‘What has Hillary done?’ narrative is a laughable right wing talking point used as a rationale. If one was objective they would actually answer that question for themselves by doing some fucking research on the subject instead of stating rhetorical questions. The stating of rhetorical questions belies the acceptance of a simplistic denigrating narrative pushed by her foes and accepted by lazy mainstream media accomplices.

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Stuff Happens  Oct 4, 2015 • 10:19:55am

re: #435 Camacho DeezNuts 2016

What has Hillary done?’ narrative is a laughable right wing talking point used as a rationale. If one was objective they would actually answer that question for themselves by doing some fucking research on the subject instead of stating rhetorical questions. The stating of rhetorical questions belies the acceptance of a simplistic denigrating narrative pushed by her foes and accepted by lazy mainstream media accomplices.

What has Ben Carson done?

Or Carly? Trump? Etc. etc.

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Camacho DeezNuts 2016  Oct 4, 2015 • 10:21:29am

re: #436 Stuff Happens

What has Ben Carson done?

He neurologically alters the brains of Tea Party idiots. Without a scalpel I might add.

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makeitstop  Oct 4, 2015 • 10:22:19am

re: #433 A Cranky One

Doesn’t mean I’m not tempted by many other guitars, and there are a few I’d love to have, but I’d need to have more free time to play before I could justify purchase of another. Or at least that’s what I tell myself. ;)

I’ve been at the point for the last couple of years where unless it’s a great guitar and a great deal, I’m pretty much not interested. I’ve got enough right now to cover most anything I play, and more guitars would be redundant unless they’re really special.

That, and I’ve built the last few (with the exception of one Telecaster which fit the ‘great guitar, great deal’ criteria above) and I’m pretty happy with how they’ve come out.

I’m more occupied with upgrading the equipment in my demo studio at this point. Which is another whole ball of wax…

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Feline Fearless Leader  Oct 4, 2015 • 10:25:45am

re: #430 b_sharp

Pretty quiet around here this morning. Everybody must be at church.

I went out and took a walk for about an hour.

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The War TARDIS  Oct 4, 2015 • 10:28:25am

re: #324 Nojay UK

Funniest thing I have seen all day.

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The War TARDIS  Oct 4, 2015 • 10:33:06am

re: #334 Dark_Falcon

I have been mulling over reading the books.

One thing is, I do want to know that it won’t end with everybody dead. I need some small victory.

It’s not like my favourite things have happy endings. Doctor Who is a tragedy in that everyone that the Doctor cares for and loves will leave him. Final Fantasy VII ended with untold dead (Including a party member), and as we find out later in other side stories, an unstable world. Final Fantasy VIII ends with a nation with monster infestation, and the fact that the future persecution of a Sorceress lead to the events of the game.

I don’t need a happy ending. Just a payoff at the end.

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A Cranky One  Oct 4, 2015 • 10:39:21am

re: #438 makeitstop


I’m more occupied with upgrading the equipment in my demo studio at this point. Which is another whole ball of wax…

Uh oh.That can be worse than collecting guitars. Now we can get into the “how many microphones” do you need discussions.

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The War TARDIS  Oct 4, 2015 • 10:40:42am

re: #341 Targetpractice

Moffat’s “deaths” end up happy in a way though.

Well, until Clara I think.

What Moffat specializes in is preying on people’s fears, and making them afraid of the most mundane of things.

Don’t Blink (Weeping Angels)
Don’t Forget (The Silence)
Don’t Breath (The Half Faced Man)
Don’t Think (The Teller and the Dream Crabs)

Not to mention the fact that the Daleks are creepier than ever. They have computers that censor memories, and even if that doesn’t work, the machine changes what you are saying to something more “appropriate.”A real “I have no mouth, and must scream” thing is now going on with the Daleks.

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dholmes32  Oct 4, 2015 • 10:41:54am

re: #378 Dark_Falcon

What hath Trump wrought?

Coming soon: Wingnuts Militia vs. Cartel Gunmen: Whoever wins, both the US and Mexico lose.

That movie is already out. Documentary filmmaker Matthew Heinerman features the Arizona Border Recon “Cartel Land.” He started with the Border Recon people and then went south of the border and embedded himself with a Michoacan-based group called the Autodefensas, which were allegedly trying to police the local area against the cartelistas, but it becomes very, very muddied.

en.wikipedia.org

Cartel Land Official Trailer 1 (2015) - Drug Cartel Documentary HD

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Mattand  Oct 4, 2015 • 10:42:39am

re: #417 Belafon

With kids, I have room for about two things in my life after work. I bought a bass guitar because I want to learn to play (someone has to, and no one else has). But I’m constantly 1) studying programming, and 2) hanging out on political websites. Things keep interrupting my wanting to play.

I have the advantage of not having kids, but I was the same way until recently. I try to carve out about half an hour or so for gee-tar playing. I think I’ve actually gotten a bit better.

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Dr Lizardo  Oct 4, 2015 • 10:45:52am

re: #439 Feline Fearless Leader

I went out and took a walk for about an hour.

I was nibbling some real cheddar cheese, from Somerset, England. I had to do my best to avoid eating the entire block.

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Mattand  Oct 4, 2015 • 10:46:07am

re: #426 Eventual Carrion

I only have 4 (and one that is half guitar and half Frankenstein that doesn’t play right now). A 6-string hardbody electric, an acoustic 6-string, an acoustic/electric 6-string, and an acoustic/electric 12-string. Covers pretty much all my needs. I also have to replace valve pads on the sax and get back to that.

I’ve got 3: a 1984 Fender Gemini acoutic, an ‘88 Fender Strat, and a ‘79 Gibson Paul (not a Les Paul; check it out here.) I need to get the Paul fixed.

Also, mine is beat to shit and nowhere near the worth of the one in the link.

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A Cranky One  Oct 4, 2015 • 10:48:44am

re: #445 Mattand

I have the advantage of not having kids, but I was the same way until recently. I try to carve out about half an hour or so for gee-tar playing. I think I’ve actually gotten a bit better.

I try to play most nights. Great way to relax.

Single biggest improvement to my playing was when I focused on playing a good acoustic. Technique really matters on an acoustic, can’t get sloppy and cheat.

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Feline Fearless Leader  Oct 4, 2015 • 10:49:23am

re: #446 Dr Lizardo

I was nibbling some real cheddar cheese, from Somerset, England. I had to do my best to avoid eating the entire block.

Here There Be Dragons

Did take a few pictures while I was out.

Currently watching the Eagles be pathetic at Washington vs The Potatoes.

(Also my 25,000th comment.) :)

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The War TARDIS  Oct 4, 2015 • 10:52:03am

re: #443 The War TARDIS

Moffat is the real-life King of Nightmares.

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Belafon  Oct 4, 2015 • 10:53:33am

re: #450 The War TARDIS

Moffat is the real-life King of Nightmares.

He tells fairy tales in the old sense of the genre.

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makeitstop  Oct 4, 2015 • 10:53:55am

re: #448 A Cranky One

I try to play most nights. Great way to relax.

Single biggest improvement to my playing was when I focused on playing a good acoustic. Technique really matters on an acoustic, can’t get sloppy and cheat.

My rock friends (mostly Gibson players) say the same thing about Telecasters. One of them asked me to imagine Neil Young playing a tele.

Humbucking pickups and amp gain can mask a multitude of sins. :)

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Oct 4, 2015 • 11:08:14am

re: #452 makeitstop

My rock friends (mostly Gibson players) say the same thing about Telecasters. One of them asked me to imagine Neil Young playing a tele.

Humbucking pickups and amp gain can mask a multitude of sins. :)

maybe that is why I don’t like telecasters…

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The War TARDIS  Oct 4, 2015 • 11:09:52am

Without spoiling too much, I have never been so glad to see a character die on Doctor Who as the corporate guy last night.

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A Cranky One  Oct 4, 2015 • 11:14:19am

re: #453 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

maybe that is why I don’t like telecasters…

My 50’s remake Tele is a favorite guitar. Wonderful action, great sound.

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retired cynic  Oct 4, 2015 • 11:26:59am

re: #451 Belafon

He tells fairy tales in the old sense of the genre.

I got to know him through Sherlock.

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The War TARDIS  Oct 4, 2015 • 11:30:26am

re: #456 retired cynic

My friend in DC told me to watch Sherlock (I will, once I get through all of the Classic Who on Netflix.)

I told her that it showrun and written by the same guys (Moffat & Gatiss). She said she wasn’t surprised, because they seemed awfully similar.

Should I recommend The Think of It to her?

It has Capaldi, and I would like to prank a friend.

Youtube Video

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retired cynic  Oct 4, 2015 • 11:33:51am

re: #457 The War TARDIS

I’m a Holmes junkie, but I loved Sherlock so much I bought all of them.

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The Vicious Babushka  Oct 4, 2015 • 11:38:17am

When the all the housing on the island is owned by 1%’ers ( most of whom DO NOT EVEN LIVE THERE) who the fuck is going to clean their toilets, repair their sewers, prepare their food and perform all the other menial and midrange white-collar labor?

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danarchy  Oct 4, 2015 • 11:43:20am

re: #459 The Vicious Babushka

When the all the housing on the island is owned by 1%’ers ( most of whom DO NOT EVEN LIVE THERE) who the fuck is going to clean their toilets, repair their sewers, prepare their food and perform all the other menial and midrange white-collar labor?

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folks taking the train in from other boroughs of course

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The Vicious Babushka  Oct 4, 2015 • 11:44:10am

re: #460 danarchy

folks taking the train in from other boroughs of course

NEWS FLASH: Gentrifiers also buying up Brooklyn.

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makeitstop  Oct 4, 2015 • 11:45:31am

re: #461 The Vicious Babushka

NEWS FLASH: Gentrifiers also buying up Brooklyn.

And parts of Queens at this point as well.

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makeitstop  Oct 4, 2015 • 11:50:42am

…and the water continues to seep into the basement.

While we had the bulk of the rain on Friday and yesterday morning, I’m hoping that the seepage stops sometime tonight. We’re wet-vacuuming and have removed the carpet tiles to the patio for a little sun- and air-drying.

Ah, home ownership…

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Belafon  Oct 4, 2015 • 11:57:40am

re: #459 The Vicious Babushka

When the all the housing on the island is owned by 1%’ers ( most of whom DO NOT EVEN LIVE THERE) who the fuck is going to clean their toilets, repair their sewers, prepare their food and perform all the other menial and midrange white-collar labor?

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We can just declare the place Galt’s Gulch, and let them figure out how they’ll do it on their own. Maybe we should build a wall with their money to keep them in.

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Camacho DeezNuts 2016  Oct 4, 2015 • 12:03:31pm
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Camacho DeezNuts 2016  Oct 4, 2015 • 12:14:19pm
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jamesfirecat  Oct 4, 2015 • 1:51:51pm

re: #144 SteveMcGaziBolaGate

And, BTW, courage is something she doesn’t have. Why does Bill still have a penis?

There is nothing courageous about breaking the law and mutilating a person for life as a way of getting revenge against them.


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