Another Right Wing Lie Debunked: UCC Is Absolutely NOT a Gun-Free Zone

Dana Loesch needs to retract her deceptive post
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Right wing ranter Dana Loesch has appointed herself the “Defender of the Sacred Gun.” Immediately following the terrible shootings at Oregon’s Umpqua Community College, she rushed an article into print attacking President Obama (of course, it always comes down to that) and asserting that UCC is a “gun-free zone.” She then posted dozens of tweets making the same claim, and attacking anyone who disputed it.

Here’s that article; it hasn’t been updated since she posted it on October 1: After UCC Tragedy, White House Calls for Stronger Gun Laws | Dana Loesch Radio.

I’m pointing out that it hasn’t been updated because it’s now indisputably clear that the campus was absolutely not a “gun-free zone” at all; this is yet another deceptive right wing attempt to shift the discussion away from doing something about America’s out-of-control gun fetish, and advocate even more guns everywhere by getting rid of real gun-free zones.

In The Oregonian, reporter Betsy Hammond sets the record straight: Umpqua Community College Not a Gun-Free Zone: Oregon Laws Prevent That.

Umpqua Community College, site of a mass shooting Thursday, bans guns, knives longer than 4 inches and other weapons from campus.

But that policy has one big exemption that renders the pastoral 100-acre campus near Roseburg anything but a gun-free zone: Everyone with a concealed firearms license is allowed to bring guns on campus.

That is because a 1989 Oregon law forbids any public body except the Legislature from restricting the rights of concealed weapons permit-holders to bring guns where they wish.

Proponents of gun rights have seized on Thursday’s tragic killing of eight Oregon college students and their writing instructor as evidence that so-called gun-free zones, or places where all guns are banned, are especially dangerous because a gunman plotting a mass killing will know there is no armed person there who can stop him. Proponents of gun restrictions have shot back with their own take on gun-free zones.

The college’s no-guns policy seems to be obvious evidence that the Umpqua campus was such a place. But Oregon gun owners with concealed firearms licenses know those licenses entitle them to carry loaded guns in nearly all public places.

So when can we expect Dana Loesch to issue a retraction and acknowledge these facts?

What? “Never,” you say? Unfortunately, that’s probably right.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 6, 2015 • 11:02:05am

We even saw an interview with a CCW permit holder who was there and it may shock Dana was not persecuted for owning a gun.

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Oct 6, 2015 • 11:02:13am

It is a gun-free zone because it has to be…

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nines09  Oct 6, 2015 • 11:05:00am

Facts and the truth never enter into any of the gun suckers arguments.

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Belafon  Oct 6, 2015 • 11:06:39am

When I pointed this out to someone on another blog, his response was that the shooter believed it was a gun free zone (and how was he inside the shooter’s head?), so therefore it was.

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Oct 6, 2015 • 11:07:58am

re: #4 Belafon

When I pointed this out to someone on another blog, his response was that the shooter believed it was a gun free zone (and how was he inside the shooter’s head?), so therefore it was.

in your head…

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HappyWarrior  Oct 6, 2015 • 11:08:46am

re: #4 Belafon

When I pointed this out to someone on another blog, his response was that the shooter believed it was a gun free zone (and how was he inside the shooter’s head?), so therefore it was.

Always an excuse. And I think he wouldn’t have cared either way since he killed himself afterwards.

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b.d.  Oct 6, 2015 • 11:09:20am

re: #4 Belafon

When I pointed this out to someone on another blog, his response was that the shooter believed it was a gun free zone (and how was he inside the shooter’s head?), so therefore it was.

Because the shooter gets all of his info from Jim Hoft.

/?

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jaunte  Oct 6, 2015 • 11:09:51am

re: #4 Belafon

When I pointed this out to someone on another blog, his response was that the shooter believed it was a gun free zone (and how was he inside the shooter’s head?), so therefore it was.

Modern conservatism is based on the ability to shrug off the surly bonds of reality.

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jaunte  Oct 6, 2015 • 11:15:08am
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HappyWarrior  Oct 6, 2015 • 11:16:11am

re: #9 jaunte

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What a pathetic hack Abbott is. ANd to think his Lt Governor is even worse.

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CuriousLurker  Oct 6, 2015 • 11:17:22am

re: #8 jaunte

Modern conservatism is based on the ability to shrug off the surly bonds of reality.

I love that last bit. I’ve never seen surly used in that context before and I find it delightfully apt.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Oct 6, 2015 • 11:17:57am

re: #11 CuriousLurker

I love that last bit. I’ve never seen surly used in that context before and I find it delightfully apt.

I will second the upding based on the use of the word surly.

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jaunte  Oct 6, 2015 • 11:18:12am

re: #11 CuriousLurker

Stolen from John Magee:
davidpbrown.co.uk

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sagehen  Oct 6, 2015 • 11:19:47am

re: #11 CuriousLurker

I love that last bit. I’ve never seen surly used in that context before and I find it delightfully apt.

re: #12 klys (maker of Silmarils)

I will second the upding based on the use of the word surly.

He’s playing off a famous pilot poem.

(edit to correct pronoun)

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Oct 6, 2015 • 11:21:56am

re: #14 sagehen

Still a great turn of phrase! (And I think jaunte is a he, but maybe I am wrong?)

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jaunte  Oct 6, 2015 • 11:22:18am

re: #15 klys (maker of Silmarils)

I am a he, yes.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Oct 6, 2015 • 11:22:43am

re: #16 jaunte

I am a he, yes.

I do try to keep my mental database of the Lizards up to date.

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iossarian  Oct 6, 2015 • 11:22:46am

Meanwhile, via dkos, Ben Carson opines:

I never saw a body with bullet holes that was more devastating than taking the right to arm ourselves away.

Oh god, no, not the right to arm ourselves being taken away, that’s too much to contemplate.

What a dick.

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jaunte  Oct 6, 2015 • 11:23:44am

re: #17 klys (maker of Silmarils)

My dad jokes should give it away.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 6, 2015 • 11:24:07am

re: #18 iossarian

Meanwhile, via dkos, Ben Carson opines:

Oh god, no, not the right to arm ourselves being taken away, that’s too much to contemplate.

What a dick.

You can tell he’s never lost a loved one to guns.

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jaunte  Oct 6, 2015 • 11:24:57am

re: #18 iossarian

Horrible person in general, with a highly specific talent.

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CuriousLurker  Oct 6, 2015 • 11:25:01am

re: #13 jaunte

Stolen from John Magee:
davidpbrown.co.uk

Interesting. As soon as I read the poem I wondered if he was a pilot. Little did I know…

High Flight

The famous aviation poem written in 1941 by 19-year-old Pilot Officer John Gillespie Magee Jr, three months before he was killed.

Inscribed on his gravestone are the first and last lines from his poem:
“Oh! I have slipped the surly bonds of Earth -
Put out my hand and touched the Face of God.”

I’m gonna go now because before I read any stupid politician’s B.S. that’ll ruin my mood after learning about this.

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Timothy Watson  Oct 6, 2015 • 11:25:05am

re: #18 iossarian

Meanwhile, via dkos, Ben Carson opines:

Oh god, no, not the right to arm ourselves being taken away, that’s too much to contemplate.

What a dick.

Coming from a M.D. who did his residency in fuckin’ Baltimore.

That man is a fucking sociopath.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 6, 2015 • 11:25:54am

re: #23 Timothy Watson

Coming from a M.D. who did his residency in fuckin’ Baltimore.

That man is a fucking sociopath.

No different from Trump IMO.

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b_sharp  Oct 6, 2015 • 11:26:22am

re: #15 klys (maker of Silmarils)

Still a great turn of phrase! (And I think jaunte is a he, but maybe I am wrong?)

He’s a he he.

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mr.fusion  Oct 6, 2015 • 11:26:37am

I’ve also noticed that she’s been running around saying this:

Because gang-shootings don’t count as gun violence I guess? Not really sure

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Blind Frog Belly White  Oct 6, 2015 • 11:27:01am

re: #18 iossarian

It would be good if Conservatives would just admit that the toll in dead children and adults from gun violence is an acceptable sacrifice to allow anyone to buy any number of guns and carry them anywhere at any time, that the 20 First Graders in Sandy Hook, for example, are the price they are willing to pay.

Instead, when you suggest that, they get all huffy.

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b_sharp  Oct 6, 2015 • 11:27:04am

re: #17 klys (maker of Silmarils)

I do try to keep my mental database of the Lizards up to date.

Does it contain the fact that I’m a plastic cup cake?

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HappyWarrior  Oct 6, 2015 • 11:27:14am

re: #22 CuriousLurker

Interesting. As soon as I read the poem I wondered if he was a pilot. Little did I know…

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I’m gonna go now because before I read any stupid politician’s B.S. that’ll ruin my mood after learning about this.

Thought I remembered the name Magee. I always think of Yeats’ “An Irish Airman Foresees his own death.” Still my favorite poet too.
I KNOW that I shall meet my fate
Somewhere among the clouds above;
Those that I fight I do not hate
Those that I guard I do not love;
My country is Kiltartan Cross, 5
My countrymen Kiltartan’s poor,
No likely end could bring them loss
Or leave them happier than before.
Nor law, nor duty bade me fight,
Nor public man, nor cheering crowds, 10
A lonely impulse of delight
Drove to this tumult in the clouds;
I balanced all, brought all to mind,
The years to come seemed waste of breath,
A waste of breath the years behind 15
In balance with this life, this deat

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Oct 6, 2015 • 11:27:29am

re: #28 b_sharp

Does it contain the fact that I’m a plastic cup cake?

/consults file

Yep.

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b_sharp  Oct 6, 2015 • 11:27:51am

re: #30 klys (maker of Silmarils)

/consults file

Yep.

Cool.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 6, 2015 • 11:28:18am

re: #26 mr.fusion

I’ve also noticed that she’s been running around saying this:

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Because gang-shootings don’t count as gun violence I guess? Not really sure

She’s got a serious problem. She’ll do anything to try to claim that gun violence isn’t a problem in our country. It’s sad and pathetic.

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b_sharp  Oct 6, 2015 • 11:29:03am

re: #4 Belafon

When I pointed this out to someone on another blog, his response was that the shooter believed it was a gun free zone (and how was he inside the shooter’s head?), so therefore it was.

The shooter didn’t care. He had two things in mind - other deaths & his death. That was it.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Oct 6, 2015 • 11:29:33am

re: #26 mr.fusion

I’ve also noticed that she’s been running around saying this:

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Because gang-shootings don’t count as gun violence I guess? Not really sure

Well, after all, it’s Those People, mostly. The only importance that their deaths have is being able to distract from cops killing unarmed black people by talking about ‘Black On Black Crime.

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Oct 6, 2015 • 11:30:21am

re: #27 Blind Frog Belly White

It would be good if Conservatives would just admit that the toll in dead children and adults from gun violence is an acceptable sacrifice to allow anyone to buy any number of guns and carry them anywhere at any time, that the 20 First Graders in Sandy Hook, for example, are the price they are willing to pay.

Instead, when you suggest that, they get all huffy.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 6, 2015 • 11:31:06am

Well in a OT note, I finally heard back from SCOTUS blog about the position that BWS nicely found for me in August. They’re not going to be able to offer me the position. Very disappointing but I appreciate that they at least got back to me and that in the time since I applied for the job I got one but I still want to do something with law.

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The War TARDIS  Oct 6, 2015 • 11:31:25am

I see Lindsay Graham is begging for aid for South Carolina.

Considering his state voted against aid for Sandy, there should be payback. No aid for SC.

They don’t want Federal Interference, they won’t get any. Be careful what you ask for.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Oct 6, 2015 • 11:32:10am

re: #37 The War TARDIS

No. We have been through this before.

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blueraven  Oct 6, 2015 • 11:32:59am

re: #22 CuriousLurker

Interesting. As soon as I read the poem I wondered if he was a pilot. Little did I know…

[Embedded content]

I’m gonna go now because before I read any stupid politician’s B.S. that’ll ruin my mood after learning about this.

Reagan referenced part of this poem after the Challenger explosion.

The Challenger astronauts had “waved goobye and ‘slipped the surly bonds of earth’ to ‘touch the face of God,’ ” concluded Reagan.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 6, 2015 • 11:33:00am

What gets me is the right and gun lobby claim that they we need to do something aout mental illness and I am there but here’s the problem. These shootings aren’t all mental illness inspired. A lot of them are thought by sound minds who know exactly what they’re doing and furthermore the Republicans with the exception of Kasich in Ohio have shown that they’ll cut mental health services. And finally I think gun access and mental health are one and the same. If you seriously think you need an arsenal because you believe our government is Nazi Germany 2.0 than frankly I don’t think you shold be armed especially if you have children.

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allegro  Oct 6, 2015 • 11:33:07am

re: #18 iossarian

Meanwhile, via dkos, Ben Carson opines:

Oh god, no, not the right to arm ourselves being taken away, that’s too much to contemplate.

What a dick.

There’s a great belief coming from a physician: bullet ridden bodies or restrict ammosexual amusement, he finds the latter horrifying. Kinda disturbing, that.

Edited to add needed word.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 6, 2015 • 11:33:20am

re: #37 The War TARDIS

I see Lindsay Graham is begging for aid for South Carolina.

Considering his state voted against aid for Sandy, there should be payback. No aid for SC.

They don’t want Federal Interference, they won’t get any. Be careful what you ask for.

Nope.

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b_sharp  Oct 6, 2015 • 11:33:34am

re: #37 The War TARDIS

I see Lindsay Graham is begging for aid for South Carolina.

Considering his state voted against aid for Sandy, there should be payback. No aid for SC.

They don’t want Federal Interference, they won’t get any. Be careful what you ask for.

Lindsay Graham isn’t the one who will suffer, the people will.

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Timothy Watson  Oct 6, 2015 • 11:33:38am

re: #24 HappyWarrior

No different from Trump IMO.

But Carson had to have treated kids and other people who suffered from gunshot wounds, but “Nah, they never really bothered me enough to place a person’s life above an inanimate object.”

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HappyWarrior  Oct 6, 2015 • 11:34:49am

re: #39 blueraven

Reagan referenced part of this poem after the Challenger explosion.

The Challenger astronauts had “waved goobye and ‘slipped the surly bonds of earth’ to ‘touch the face of God,’ ” concluded Reagan.

It’s a beautiful poem. War poetry is often sad yet beautiful. A lot of the best works I’ve read have been by people like Magee and Major McCrae (writer of In Flanders Field) who died in combat.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 6, 2015 • 11:35:11am

re: #44 Timothy Watson

But Carson had to have treated kids and other people who suffered from gunshot wounds, but “Nah, they never really bothered me enough to place a person’s life above an inanimate object.”

True I meant simply as a politician.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 6, 2015 • 11:35:20am

re: #43 b_sharp

Lindsay Graham isn’t the one who will suffer, the people will.

Precisely sharp.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Oct 6, 2015 • 11:38:05am

re: #43 b_sharp

Lindsay Graham isn’t the one who will suffer, the people will.

And EVEN IF many of those who voted for him supported his ‘No’ vote, we still don’t deny them aid, because we’re not vindictive shitheads. These people have suffered terrible losses, so we try to alleviate that suffering.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 6, 2015 • 11:39:30am

re: #48 Blind Frog Belly White

And EVEN IF many of those who voted for him supported his ‘No’ vote, we still don’t deny them aid, because we’re not vindictive shitheads. These people have suffered terrible losses, so we try to alleviate that suffering.

We do NOT let politics get in the way of our humanity. It’s that simple to me. Politics comes after helping people when they’re hit by a disaster.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Oct 6, 2015 • 11:40:26am

re: #49 HappyWarrior

We do NOT let politics get in the way of our humanity. It’s that simple to me. Politics comes after helping people when they’re hit by a disaster.

That Republicans were willing to do that is a stain on their humanity, one I will not compound by advocating for the same.

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The War TARDIS  Oct 6, 2015 • 11:41:16am

re: #42 HappyWarrior

The people will learn not to elect assholes.

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KGxvi  Oct 6, 2015 • 11:41:20am

As I think over the gun control issue, the question I keep coming back to is this: why does one need a handgun? I can understand the need/use for a rifle if you’re a hunter, or a rancher, or if (for some reason that escapes me) you’ve taken up target shooting as a hobby. But I simply don’t understand the need for anyone to own a handgun in the 21st century. And I think the question that should be put to everyone arguing for MOAR GUNZ!!1! is: when in your life time have you ever had an actual need for a gun, and when have you actually used said gun?

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jaunte  Oct 6, 2015 • 11:41:24am

Disturbing gun fancier logic; the original tweet links to a Breitbart piece recommending more guns to prevent shootings.

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Shiplord Kirel  Oct 6, 2015 • 11:41:28am

I was checking out some gun humper blogs today, notably Cheaper Than Dirt (which is affiliated with a giant guns/ammo superstore). Dana Loesch is quite a celebrity to these people.

They also have an article on bioterrorism, interestingly enough. I initially thought this was odd since guns would be useless against lethal germs and such. I was not thinking far enough ahead though. Guns would not kill the germs themselves but, according to the standard humper narrative, they would still be necessary in the lawless, collapsed society that would result. How else could they hold off the hordes of others who would pour forth from the inner cities to loot and pillage as soon as the welfare checks stopped?

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b_sharp  Oct 6, 2015 • 11:41:31am

re: #47 HappyWarrior

Precisely sharp.

Well honed, you might say.

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blueraven  Oct 6, 2015 • 11:42:06am

re: #37 The War TARDIS

I see Lindsay Graham is begging for aid for South Carolina.

Considering his state voted against aid for Sandy, there should be payback. No aid for SC.

They don’t want Federal Interference, they won’t get any. Be careful what you ask for.

That is a shitty thing to say. What the hell is wrong with you?

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b_sharp  Oct 6, 2015 • 11:42:30am

re: #51 The War TARDIS

The people will learn not to elect assholes.

You live for vengeance, don’t you?

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HappyWarrior  Oct 6, 2015 • 11:42:33am

re: #50 klys (maker of Silmarils)

That Republicans were willing to do that is a stain on their humanity, one I will not compound by advocating for the same.

Exactly. The double standards may annoy the hell out of me but I will never ever oppose aid or help to people simply because of politics. To me that would be not only be a violation of my principles but morally wrong too.

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KGxvi  Oct 6, 2015 • 11:42:54am

re: #37 The War TARDIS

They don’t want Federal Interference, they won’t get any. Be careful what you ask for.

South Carolina, for obvious reasons, is first on the list of states that is not allowed to complain about Federal Interference.

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It's on his hat!  Oct 6, 2015 • 11:43:02am

re: #51 The War TARDIS

The people will learn not to elect assholes.

Michele Bachmann used to be my representative. Is it my fault my district elected a batshit loon? Should I be denied federal aid because I’m represented by assholes?

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HappyWarrior  Oct 6, 2015 • 11:43:44am

re: #51 The War TARDIS

The people will learn not to elect assholes.

And what about the kids? Stop being a vindictive ass. You’re no better espousing that kind of rhetoric than those who oppose aid to Democratic areas because they don’t like who they elect.

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Oct 6, 2015 • 11:43:54am

re: #51 The War TARDIS

The people will learn not to elect assholes.

that’s not the way to teach them

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Oct 6, 2015 • 11:46:34am

re: #51 The War TARDIS

The blanket punishment that you are advocating for here is the same process that leads to profiling of Muslims.

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ObserverArt  Oct 6, 2015 • 12:33:17pm

Clever Toad…if you are still around and reading.

I just put an image and a few instructions for you in the last thread on how to set up your Word document to be 6x9.

Hope that helps. Of course, when you change the document size, your text is going to re-flow, etc. So, you may need to mess with your column sizes, etc.

Good luck!

Edit. See post #418.

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CleverToad  Oct 6, 2015 • 12:34:33pm

re: #64 ObserverArt

Will go take a look. Thank you!

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ObserverArt  Oct 6, 2015 • 12:43:09pm

A great little video about guns and gun control by a gun lover. I saw this elsewhere earlier today, and just got around to checking it out.

I Love My Guns

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CleverToad  Oct 6, 2015 • 12:44:10pm

re: #62 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

Pointing out that Lindsay Graham opposed the relief for others that he is seeking for his state is a reasonable response to the blatant hypocrisy. Come up with a good sarcastic meme to spread around the internet to relieve your understandable anger — you can test it out on the Lizards and they’ll tell you if it gets the point across.

Saying we should withhold funds for people in SC — no.
Listen to the rest of the Lizards who said it better, we should never go to that level of inhuman or inhumane.


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