Fox’s Dr. Keith Ablow’s Grotesque Victim-Blaming: Jews “Surrendered” to the Holocaust

There’s a real sickness in the right wing
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Ben Carson has really been on a roll this week, coming out with one stupid or offensive statement after another. He seems to trying his best to out-dumb Donald Trump.

But perhaps the most offensive craziness he spouted was his suggestion that Nazi Germany was able to perpetrate the Holocaust because they took away the Jews’ guns. Carson was repeating a common right wing talking point; one of the bogus arguments they use to oppose any sort of gun control.

First, let’s get one thing out of the way: this isn’t even close to being historically accurate. This talking point isn’t just offensive, it’s completely false.

But the usual right wing reaction when one of their current heroes like Ben Carson emits insanity is to defend them by doubling down and refusing to acknowledge reality or facts, and today we find a post at Fox News by their absurdly counter-factual “psychologist,” Dr. Keith Ablow, doing just that. In fact, Ablow takes it a step further into outright victim-blaming, saying German Jews brought the Holocaust on themselves by “surrendering their guns” to the Nazis.

This grotesque screed is titled: Why Ben Carson Is Right About Jews, the Holocaust and Guns.

The mindset that Jews surrendered with their guns is far more important than the hardware they turned over: They surrendered the demonstrated intention, at all costs, to resist being deprived of liberty. If Jews in Germany had more actively resisted the Nazi party or the Nazi regime and had diagnosed it as a malignant and deadly cancer from the start, there would, indeed, have been a chance for the people of that country and the world to be moved to action by their bold refusal to be enslaved.

I thought I’d seen the worst examples of right wing victim-blaming before, but this is definitely a new low, for Fox News and for Ablow.

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163 comments
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HappyWarrior  Oct 10, 2015 • 11:05:04am

Yes, Keith it’s all the German Jews fault. // By the way, the number of Jews in pre-war Germany percentage wise is roughly the same percentage of Buddhists we have in the U.S. I think it’s more apt to blame German Christians especially German Christians who saw the Nazis as the “lesser evil” than the left. Guys like Papen who actually brought Hitler into the government but yeah it’s all the German Jews fault. This is really fucked up and yet another example of how the Antisemitic mask definitely slips with the right but Ablow won’t be punished at all.

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nines09  Oct 10, 2015 • 11:06:42am

Kevin McCarthy said the GOP needs to hit rock bottom. He is mistaken. They have no bottom to hit.

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KGxvi  Oct 10, 2015 • 11:09:43am

re: #2 nines09

So, it’s wingnuts all the way down?

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Nyet  Oct 10, 2015 • 11:10:13am

“but I was also born a Jew”

“But is that not the lesson of the Old Testament?”

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Camacho DeezNuts 2016  Oct 10, 2015 • 11:13:25am
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Definitely Chuck.

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Joe Bacon  Oct 10, 2015 • 11:13:41am

After seeing those insane comments, all I can say is “What’s next”?

Honestly, the right wing in this country has gone completely out of control!

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wrenchwench  Oct 10, 2015 • 11:15:59am

RWNJs need to blame the victims because otherwise they’d have to look where RWNJism leads.

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Nyet  Oct 10, 2015 • 11:18:31am
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HappyWarrior  Oct 10, 2015 • 11:19:35am

re: #7 wrenchwench

RWNJs need to blame the victims because otherwise they’d have to look where RWNJism leads.

Indeed. Victim blaming allows them to ignore the role that extreme right wing ideology played in shaping mass murder.

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Great White Snark  Oct 10, 2015 • 11:20:03am
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PhillyPretzel  Oct 10, 2015 • 11:21:31am

I know Mr Carson will not listen nor will any of RWNJ, they should watch Simon Schama or read his book. The Story of the Jews is a very good PBS series (since it is PBS they will not even look at it) that is on amazon and worth the $10.99 for all five episodes.

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Joe Bacon  Oct 10, 2015 • 11:22:33am

re: #2 nines09

Kevin McCarthy said the GOP needs to hit rock bottom. He is mistaken. They have no bottom to hit.

You’re so on target with that. Every day, the Republicans are going lower and sleazier. For a while I said that the Republican Party had turned into Monty Python’s Silly Party. I was wrong.

They have become the Asshole Party.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 10, 2015 • 11:22:45am

re: #11 PhillyPretzel

I know Mr Carson will not listen nor will any of RWNJ, they should watch Simon Schama or read his book. The Story of the Jews is a very good PBS series (since it is PBS they will not even look at it) that is on amazon and worth the $10.99 for all five episodes.

I’ll have to look for that. I loved SImon’s History of Britain from some years back. Very intellectual and insightful guy.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 10, 2015 • 11:23:27am

re: #12 Joe Bacon

You’re so on target with that. Every day, the Republicans are going lower and sleazier. For a while I said that the Republican Party had turned into Monty Python’s Silly Party. I was wrong.

They have become the Asshole Party.

We were having the conversation the other day- that we’re having a conversation about which Republican had the most insensitive comment regarding Roseberg was telling.

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nines09  Oct 10, 2015 • 11:24:03am

re: #3 KGxvi

So, it’s wingnuts all the way down?

No lie they tell can embarrass them or their base. No limit to the depths they can plumb. I almost hate to use the word evil, but they have crossed lines that no sane party would. And not one of them stands up and denounces it, no matter how vile or injuring or hateful it is.

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PhillyPretzel  Oct 10, 2015 • 11:24:28am

re: #13 HappyWarrior

Here is the link. amazon.com

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CuriousLurker  Oct 10, 2015 • 11:25:55am

re: #4 Nyet

“but I was also born a Jew”

Yeah, that’s right up there with bigots & racists who say “I have gay/black friends,” and people who are against the building of mosques and claim it’s only because they’re worried about traffic or parking.

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Nyet  Oct 10, 2015 • 11:26:01am
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Great White Snark  Oct 10, 2015 • 11:26:21am

Maybe this should be downstairs but I could not resist. About challenging expectations by way of Islam? Can’t beat this. Muhammad Rizvi-Taqi accepted my friend request, i got this off his timeline.

MP4 Video

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CuriousLurker  Oct 10, 2015 • 11:27:56am

re: #8 Nyet

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LOL! Thanks, I needed the laugh.

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Nyet  Oct 10, 2015 • 11:30:34am
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Higgs Boson's Mate  Oct 10, 2015 • 11:30:44am

re: #15 nines09

No lie they tell can embarrass them or their base. No limit to the depths they can plumb. I almost hate to use the word evil, but they have crossed lines that no sane party would. And not one of them stands up and denounces it, no matter how vile or injuring or hateful it is.

Downstairs I mentioned that they cannot be critical of their crazies because it’s been GOP standard practice for decades to rile them up. They’re all invested in the process that created the TP, etc. Can you even name a Republican with the intellect and stature to start talking them down from where they are? I can’t. For them, anyone possessing stature is a sellout and anyone with an intellect is purged.

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CuriousLurker  Oct 10, 2015 • 11:32:13am

re: #18 Nyet

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Squeeeeeeee!

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wrenchwench  Oct 10, 2015 • 11:33:44am

re: #18 Nyet

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wrenchwench  Oct 10, 2015 • 11:35:48am

re: #19 Great White Snark

Maybe this should be downstairs but I could not resist. About challenging expectations by way of Islam? Can’t beat this. Muhammad Rizvi-Taqi accepted my friend request, i got this off his timeline.

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I love the matching polka dots on the guitar and her shoes.

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ObserverArt  Oct 10, 2015 • 11:39:36am
If Jews in Germany had more actively resisted the Nazi party or the Nazi regime and had diagnosed it as a malignant and deadly cancer from the start, there would, indeed, have been a chance for the people of that country and the world to be moved to action by their bold refusal to be enslaved.

What would those chances have been Keith?

Since your so learned as a “doctor” I bet you are just as great at statistics. Why not give us number Mr. Ablow…hard. Or, maybe you would choose not to do that since you probably know they’d have been rather low.

Fool. So, so many of them acting out at FOX News.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 10, 2015 • 11:39:57am

re: #16 PhillyPretzel

Here is the link. amazon.com

Thanks very much.

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KingKenrod  Oct 10, 2015 • 11:40:11am

In this scenario, the RWNJ’s see themselves as the Jews, but won’t accept giving in. That’s why they’re selling this myth, it’s about motivating armed violent resistance in this country.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 10, 2015 • 11:40:31am

I know this much. In a generation or so, they’ll be blaming the left for their Islamaphobia.

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Barefoot Grin  Oct 10, 2015 • 11:43:51am

Amazing how this shit brings out my baser instincts. I briefly thought we should lure them to the Cliven Bundy spread with promise of BBQ and gun play and then fence them in, but then remembered how historically wrong fencing a people in has been.

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ObserverArt  Oct 10, 2015 • 11:45:13am

re: #6 Joe Bacon

After seeing those insane comments, all I can say is “What’s next”?

Honestly, the right wing in this country has gone completely out of control!

It is really just now getting to a fevered pitch. It has been building since 2009…January. All this time it has been on a simmer. Now that we are getting into another election season for president and many in Congress, they are turning up the heat and it is getting ready to boil.

I’m just more than a little apprehensive about how the very rabid RWNJs are going to act when they do not totally get their way next year. They are emboldened and they are armed. The Bundy Ranch dust-up shows they are very willing to go all the way.

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Higgs Boson's Mate  Oct 10, 2015 • 11:45:57am

re: #29 HappyWarrior

I know this much. In a generation or so, they’ll be blaming the left for their Islamaphobia.

If the decline continues in a couple of generations there will be millions of Americans who believe that the “G.W.” in G. W. Bush stood for “George Washington,” The Savior of His Country.
The beatification of St. Ronald of Santa Monica provides the template.

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wrenchwench  Oct 10, 2015 • 11:46:57am

re: #28 KingKenrod

In this scenario, the RWNJ’s see themselves as the Jews, but won’t accept giving in. That’s why they’re selling this myth, it’s about motivating armed violent resistance in this country.

Bingo.

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CuriousLurker  Oct 10, 2015 • 11:51:19am

Heh, I just glanced over to my left and saw my Minions looking all happy & goofy. Believe it or not, they really do help…

Minion mental health check!
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Charles Johnson  Oct 10, 2015 • 11:52:03am
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Charles Johnson  Oct 10, 2015 • 11:52:59am
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Great White Snark  Oct 10, 2015 • 11:54:50am

re: #34 CuriousLurker

Aha that explains how you get so much done. Minions.

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CuriousLurker  Oct 10, 2015 • 11:57:04am

re: #37 Great White Snark

Aha that explains how you get so much done. Minions.

They help me keep things in perspective. ;-)

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Camacho DeezNuts 2016  Oct 10, 2015 • 11:59:21am

Oh boy. So when the Jooos are not dominating world politics with sinister controlling behind the scenes banking, they’re laying down flintlocks for Hitler. Unless that was all part of the evil plot from the beginning.

I’m just asking some questions.

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Nyet  Oct 10, 2015 • 12:02:17pm

re: #39 Camacho DeezNuts 2016

Oh boy. So when the Jooos are not dominating world politics with sinister controlling behind the scenes banking, they’re laying down flintlocks for Hitler. Unless that was all part of the evil plot from the beginning.

I’m just asking some questions.

Of course it was, everybody knows Stalin and Hitler were Jewish and only did what they did to genocide more white people!!!1

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Nyet  Oct 10, 2015 • 12:03:25pm

(In case you wonder: that Hitler and Stalin were Jewish or did the bidding of the Jews are real and popular conspiracy theories.)

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ObserverArt  Oct 10, 2015 • 12:03:29pm

Just got to thinking. I wonder how things are going in Dearborn Michigan today with the anti-Islam, open-carry rally/protest? I await VBs reporting and take on things. I sort of wonder if she is checking it out.

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Jenner7  Oct 10, 2015 • 12:05:20pm

Thursday night’s episode was on point.

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allegro  Oct 10, 2015 • 12:06:22pm

CL has her Minions, I have Oscar… a face that will never stop cracking me up.

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CuriousLurker  Oct 10, 2015 • 12:08:18pm

re: #41 Nyet

(In case you wonder: that Hitler and Stalin were Jewish or did the bidding of the Jews are real and popular conspiracy theories.)

OFFS, is there no end to the idiocy? *headdesk*

Every effed up assertion, no matter how egregious, is always justified somehow.

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CuriousLurker  Oct 10, 2015 • 12:09:11pm

re: #42 ObserverArt

Just got to thinking. I wonder how things are going in Dearborn Michigan today with the anti-Islam, open-carry rally/protest? I await VBs reporting and take on things. I sort of wonder if she is checking it out.

It’s the Sabbath, she’s almost surely at home.

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CuriousLurker  Oct 10, 2015 • 12:09:32pm

re: #44 allegro

CL has her Minions, I have Oscar… a face that will never stop cracking me up.

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LOL!

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HappyWarrior  Oct 10, 2015 • 12:13:09pm

re: #35 Charles Johnson

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OFFS.

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CuriousLurker  Oct 10, 2015 • 12:15:43pm

FOX News is doing their part, as always (from yesterday): Bombing Of Dearborn Threatened After FOX News Report Claims Honor Killing, Stoning

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KGxvi  Oct 10, 2015 • 12:17:06pm

re: #35 Charles Johnson

I’m guessing she doesn’t want to give Manhattan back to the Lenape?

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A Mom Anon  Oct 10, 2015 • 12:17:50pm

re: #49 CuriousLurker

At what point does this become criminal? It’s one thing to report actual news, but when you’re making shit up to incite violence when does it cross the line legally? Because they ARE trying to incite violence, the bigger and nastier the better. There’s no other reason to do this.

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Dr Lizardo  Oct 10, 2015 • 12:19:22pm

re: #51 A Mom Anon

At what point does this become criminal? It’s one thing to report actual news, but when you’re making shit up to incite violence when does it cross the line legally? Because they ARE trying to incite violence, the bigger and nastier the better. There’s no other reason to do this.

Can’t the FCC investigate FNC or something?

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HappyWarrior  Oct 10, 2015 • 12:22:19pm

re: #52 Dr Lizardo

Can’t the FCC investigate FNC or something?

I’d hope so. IT really does seem that they want violence.

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Camacho DeezNuts 2016  Oct 10, 2015 • 12:23:15pm

re: #49 CuriousLurker

FOX News is doing their part, as always (from yesterday): Bombing Of Dearborn Threatened After FOX News Report Claims Honor Killing, Stoning

Fox News = Breitbart = Free Republic = NRO

The radicalization of the right is almost complete.

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Dr Lizardo  Oct 10, 2015 • 12:23:38pm

re: #53 HappyWarrior

I’d hope so. IT really does seem that they want violence.

From what I can glean, FNC really seems to be attempting to incite violence. I’m pretty sure that’s not covered by the First Amendment.

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Camacho DeezNuts 2016  Oct 10, 2015 • 12:24:12pm

Stuck in the house today because of some little race going on.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 10, 2015 • 12:24:19pm

re: #55 Dr Lizardo

From what I can glean, FNC really seems to be attempting to incite violence. I’m pretty sure that’s not covered by the First Amendment.

No, it’s not.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 10, 2015 • 12:25:09pm

re: #54 Camacho DeezNuts 2016

Fox News = Breitbart = Free Republic = NRO

The radicalization of the right is almost complete.

I think it’s been complete but the question is how far will it go. Here we are and Ben Carson and Donald Trump are the GOP frontrunners.

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Shiplord Kirel  Oct 10, 2015 • 12:26:04pm

re: #31 ObserverArt

It is really just now getting to a fevered pitch. It has been building since 2009…January. All this time it has been on a simmer. Now that we are getting into another election season for president and many in Congress, they are turning up the heat and it is getting ready to boil.

I’m just more than a little apprehensive about how the very rabid RWNJs are going to act when they do not totally get their way next year. They are emboldened and they are armed. The Bundy Ranch dust-up shows they are very willing to go all the way.

I think it will end with a massive outburst of violence that spreads through right wing America like a shock wave. Not civil war, but large scale shooting, lawlessness, and vigilante activity, especially in areas where law enforcement is controlled by wingnuts and where far-right fundy churches provide an ad hoc organization around which vigilante gangs can form. It will stop after a week or so, but perhaps not before thousands of casualties are sustained.
These people seriously overestimate their strength, both in numbers and capability, so they are likely to try for the brass rung of total power when they really have no chance of reaching it.

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CuriousLurker  Oct 10, 2015 • 12:26:32pm

The good news is that it seems the Dearborn rally was largely a big flop—all of about a dozen idiots showed up, four of them armed.

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KGxvi  Oct 10, 2015 • 12:26:37pm

re: #52 Dr Lizardo

I’m not sure they can. The FCC doesn’t have much authority over cable channels. The real pressure would have to come from sponsors. Which is more or less what did Limbaugh in

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ObserverArt  Oct 10, 2015 • 12:31:06pm

re: #60 CuriousLurker

The good news is that it seems the Dearborn rally was largely a big flop—all of about a dozen idiots showed up, four of them armed.

Thanks for the link.

It appears Dearborn has already been taken over and Oaf Keepers are too late!

/

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Camacho DeezNuts 2016  Oct 10, 2015 • 12:31:11pm

Last swimmer missed cutoff by 3 seconds, tough to watch.

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Romantic Heretic  Oct 10, 2015 • 12:31:22pm

re: #26 ObserverArt

If Jews in Germany had more actively resisted the Nazi party or the Nazi regime and had diagnosed it as a malignant and deadly cancer from the start, there would, indeed, have been a chance for the people of that country and the world to be moved to action by their bold refusal to be enslaved.

Those of us outside your country diagnose you and your teahadi fellow travellers as just that sort of problem, ‘Dr.’ Ablow. So do many of America’s citizens as well.

Edited to make sure it was obvious who it was I was dissing.

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Nyet  Oct 10, 2015 • 12:31:59pm

Imagine if American Muslims took guns and went on an anti-Christian protest around a church.

Fox et al. would be calling for death penalty on the spot.

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Camacho DeezNuts 2016  Oct 10, 2015 • 12:33:07pm

re: #65 Nyet

Imagine if American Muslims took guns and went on an anti-Christian protest around a church.

Fox et al. would be calling for death penalty on the spot.

Gunfuckers would be 2nd Amendmenting them on the spot in an orgy of Liberty.

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Dr Lizardo  Oct 10, 2015 • 12:33:08pm

re: #59 Shiplord Kirel

I think it will end with a massive outburst of violence that spreads through right wing America like a shock wave. Not civil war, but large scale shooting, lawlessness, and vigilante activity, especially in areas where law enforcement is controlled by wingnuts and where far-right fundy churches provide an ad hoc organization around which vigilante gangs can form. It will stop after a week or so, but perhaps not before thousands of casualties are sustained.
These people seriously overestimate their strength, both in numbers and capability, so they are likely to try for the brass rung of total power when they really have no chance of reaching it.

Unfortunately, I could see that happening - sort of like a mini-rebellion. It’d be put down in relatively short order, but the casualties would be significant to be sure.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Oct 10, 2015 • 12:34:43pm

Apparently Kelsey Grammer is a wingnut?

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Nyet  Oct 10, 2015 • 12:36:04pm

re: #68 Eclectic Cyborg

It’s not news :P

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CuriousLurker  Oct 10, 2015 • 12:36:17pm

re: #68 Eclectic Cyborg

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Apparently Kelsey Grammer is a wingnut?

Yep, has been for quite some time.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 10, 2015 • 12:36:22pm

re: #68 Eclectic Cyborg

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Apparently Kelsey Grammer is a wingnut?

He has been since 9/11 at least. I think he lost a dear friend in the attacks.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 10, 2015 • 12:37:24pm

re: #65 Nyet

Imagine if American Muslims took guns and went on an anti-Christian protest around a church.

Fox et al. would be calling for death penalty on the spot.

Exactly but some how this is “different.”

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ObserverArt  Oct 10, 2015 • 12:37:28pm

re: #64 Romantic Heretic

Those of us outside your country diagnose you and your teahadi fellow travellers as just that sort of problem. So do many of America’s citizens as well.

Uh…that is a bit awkward. Are you implying that “you” is me, and that I am a cancer and a teahadi fellow.

I would be one of those “America’s citizens as well.”

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Higgs Boson's Mate  Oct 10, 2015 • 12:37:33pm

re: #68 Eclectic Cyborg

For a long time.

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Nyet  Oct 10, 2015 • 12:38:30pm

re: #71 HappyWarrior

He has been since 9/11 at least. I think he lost a dear friend in the attacks.

Either he had been one before the attack, because anti-abortion views have nothing to do with 9/11, or … sometimes one accepts the whole thing without much thinking.

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Nyet  Oct 10, 2015 • 12:39:31pm

re: #75 Nyet

The whole thing = the conservative memeplex.

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CuriousLurker  Oct 10, 2015 • 12:39:38pm

re: #73 ObserverArt

Uh…that is a bit awkward. Are you implying that “you” is me, and that I am a cancer and a teahadi fellow.

I would be one of those “America’s citizens as well.”

It seemed to me he was referencing & responding to the same Albow quotation you were.

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Romantic Heretic  Oct 10, 2015 • 12:40:49pm

re: #73 ObserverArt

You’re quite right. Fixed. Sorry.

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A Mom Anon  Oct 10, 2015 • 12:41:01pm

re: #61 KGxvi

Right, the FCC isn’t the route to take here, they only cover regular broadcast TV and terrestrial radio stations. One thing that might help is people flooding their switchboards with calls calling them on their shit. Flooding their mailroom with letters, postcards, etc. No threats, just telling them they lie, specifically about what and proof otherwise. They aren’t scared to do this because they are never called out, like an outcry, not just Media Matters. Then hit the sponsors, local and national with the same approach. It takes time, but if they figure out that more people than they thought are onto their shit it could help some.

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wrenchwench  Oct 10, 2015 • 12:41:40pm

re: #71 HappyWarrior

He has been since 9/11 at least. I think he lost a dear friend in the attacks.

He needs a shrink.

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Camacho DeezNuts 2016  Oct 10, 2015 • 12:41:55pm

The ConservoMemePlexiconiclus.

Rolls off the tongue.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 10, 2015 • 12:43:16pm

re: #75 Nyet

Either he had been one before the attack, because anti-abortion views have nothing to do with 9/11, or … sometimes one accepts the whole thing without much thinking.

Well sometimes people go full wingnut or whatever because of an event. Not saying it’s rational thinking on his part.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 10, 2015 • 12:43:32pm

re: #80 wrenchwench

He needs a shrink.

Judging by that t, I’d have ot agree.

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Dr Lizardo  Oct 10, 2015 • 12:44:01pm

re: #79 A Mom Anon

Sounds good to me.

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PhillyPretzel  Oct 10, 2015 • 12:44:11pm

re: #79 A Mom Anon

Hit them where they live. Their sponsors. (very evil grin)

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Great White Snark  Oct 10, 2015 • 12:44:31pm

re: #81 Camacho DeezNuts 2016

The ConservoMemePlexiconiclus.

Rolls off the tongue.

Right. Um maybe we grew up with different first languages? Wait maybe ConservoMemePlexiconiculus?

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Shiplord Kirel  Oct 10, 2015 • 12:45:35pm

re: #65 Nyet

Imagine if American Muslims took guns and went on an anti-Christian protest around a church.

Fox et al. would be calling for death penalty on the spot.

With armed maniacs showing up openly right on their doorsteps, American Muslims (and the many Christian Arab and Armenian Americans in Dearborn) would have a very good, and wholly legal, case for arming themselves in self defense. The general screeching, caterwauling, and media incitement over such a thing would reach to the Moon however, and these communities know it.
Now, wingnuts, tell me again who is being deprived of their right of self defense?

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HappyWarrior  Oct 10, 2015 • 12:45:49pm

Anyhow I find it amusing when conservative actors complain about how they’re treated when conservative actors and studio heads in the past actually pushed for blacklisting over political views.

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Nyet  Oct 10, 2015 • 12:46:54pm

ConservoMemePlexipalooza

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CuriousLurker  Oct 10, 2015 • 12:47:35pm

re: #87 Shiplord Kirel

With armed maniacs showing up openly right on their doorsteps, American Muslims (and the many Christian Arab and Armenian Americans in Dearborn) would have a very good, and wholly legal, case for arming themselves in self defense. The general screeching, caterwauling, and media incitement over such a thing would reach to the Moon however, and these communities know it.
Now, wingnuts, tell me again who is being deprived of their right of self defense?

1000X this.

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CuriousLurker  Oct 10, 2015 • 12:47:53pm

I’m gonna go find something creative to do.

Later, lizards.

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A Mom Anon  Oct 10, 2015 • 12:51:16pm

re: #85 PhillyPretzel

I would think this would have a more immediate effect on local businesses advertising on the local affiliates. Smaller businesses would feel a crunch first, especially when they get polite and to the point calls explaining why you won’t be bringing your car in for service at their shop anymore, or taking your kid to their after school tutoring program, or eating in their restaurant. With regrets because you love their fine establishment, but you can’t in good conscience do business with people who spend their advertising budget on a TV channel that is trying to tear apart your community. Or words to that effect. There are plenty of other places to spend your ad dollars. Etc, etc.

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KGxvi  Oct 10, 2015 • 12:52:51pm

re: #87 Shiplord Kirel

Modern wingnuts are the ideological descendants of the confederacy: the only “right” being deprived is their ability to control the lives of others

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ObserverArt  Oct 10, 2015 • 12:55:56pm

re: #78 Romantic Heretic

You’re quite right. Fixed. Sorry.

No problem. I sort of figured that wasn’t your intention. That’s why I said it seemed awkward (as written).

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Eclectic Cyborg  Oct 10, 2015 • 12:58:50pm

re: #71 HappyWarrior

He has been since 9/11 at least. I think he lost a dear friend in the attacks.

David Angell, Frasier producer and his wife. I had forgotten about that.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 10, 2015 • 12:58:59pm

she is sooo stupid:

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Camacho DeezNuts 2016  Oct 10, 2015 • 12:59:55pm

re: #89 Nyet

ConservoMemePlexipalooza

ConservoMemePlexipaloozaRama.

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Camacho DeezNuts 2016  Oct 10, 2015 • 1:02:28pm

Facebook was having problems messaging last night, now it’s totally down. I thought it might be local/regional due to Ironman but not sure.

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Nyet  Oct 10, 2015 • 1:02:51pm

re: #97 Camacho DeezNuts 2016

ConservoMemePlexipaloozaRama.

ConservoMemePlexipaloozaBananaRama

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Camacho DeezNuts 2016  Oct 10, 2015 • 1:03:07pm

Wingnutiplex.

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ObserverArt  Oct 10, 2015 • 1:04:30pm

re: #79 A Mom Anon

Right, the FCC isn’t the route to take here, they only cover regular broadcast TV and terrestrial radio stations. One thing that might help is people flooding their switchboards with calls calling them on their shit. Flooding their mailroom with letters, postcards, etc. No threats, just telling them they lie, specifically about what and proof otherwise. They aren’t scared to do this because they are never called out, like an outcry, not just Media Matters. Then hit the sponsors, local and national with the same approach. It takes time, but if they figure out that more people than they thought are onto their shit it could help some.

Since I never watch FOX News…do they have a lot of major sponsors?

I know their ratings numbers would support a lot of sponsors, but their content is so odorous I can see some big companies shying away.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Oct 10, 2015 • 1:04:39pm

Heh…

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Nyet  Oct 10, 2015 • 1:05:11pm

It will turn out that Trump is opening a hat business and all this was an advertising stunt.

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Charles Johnson  Oct 10, 2015 • 1:07:02pm
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Camacho DeezNuts 2016  Oct 10, 2015 • 1:08:38pm

re: #103 Nyet

It will turn out that Trump is opening a hat business and all this was an advertising stunt.

I wonder where all those hats are made.

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ObserverArt  Oct 10, 2015 • 1:10:10pm

re: #80 wrenchwench

He needs a shrink.

Maybe Dr. Phil could help him out?

/

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jaunte  Oct 10, 2015 • 1:12:08pm

re: #60 CuriousLurker

The good news is that it seems the Dearborn rally was largely a big flop—all of about a dozen idiots showed up, four of them armed.

This afternoon’s crowd at the St. Arnold’s Brewery tour could have taken them easily.

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Eric The Fruit Bat  Oct 10, 2015 • 1:13:26pm

re: #53 HappyWarrior

The FCC can only take action against OTA brodcast entities-of which Fox, unlike the legacy 3, does not run a Nightly News OTA-that’s why Fox “News” is exclusively cable.

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Great White Snark  Oct 10, 2015 • 1:14:27pm

re: #106 ObserverArt

Maybe Dr. Phil could help him out?

/

As one actor to another it just might work.
/

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wrenchwench  Oct 10, 2015 • 1:15:12pm

I just met a guy who was hit by a car in 1996 (in a bike race), and he’s still (or again) using a stick to walk. He’s had 65 surgeries, the last one three days ago, hence the stick. Doesn’t take much to make me feel lucky.

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Great White Snark  Oct 10, 2015 • 1:15:54pm

re: #108 Eric The Fruit Bat

The FCC can only take action against OTA brodcast entities-of which Fox, unlike the legacy 3, does not run a Nightly News OTA-that’s why Fox “News” is exclusively cable.

Even those fines are usually trivial. Want a punch that hurts? The sponsors as suggested above. That’s the way to go IMO.

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Higgs Boson's Mate  Oct 10, 2015 • 1:18:46pm

re: #104 Charles Johnson

So, he didn’t pick up on that “Stop digging,” thing?

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jaunte  Oct 10, 2015 • 1:21:05pm
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A Mom Anon  Oct 10, 2015 • 1:21:47pm

re: #101 ObserverArt

It would require watching them, yes. Ack. Local FOX affiliates aren’t the same as FOX News (I should be clearer on that), the local stations run news and regular programming just like the other network channels. You don’t see Hannity or O’Reilly or the rest of them on locally. But, while watching the FNC in your area, you will see local advertising as well as other national stuff. Depends on the cable provider I would think. Also calling the cable providers might be another route? I am not sure about that. Unless your local FOX affiliate is wingnutty too, I honestly have never compared and contrasted their news or locally focused programming.

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ObserverArt  Oct 10, 2015 • 1:28:16pm

re: #114 A Mom Anon

It would require watching them, yes. Ack. Local FOX affiliates aren’t the same as FOX News (I should be clearer on that), the local stations run news and regular programming just like the other network channels. You don’t see Hannity or O’Reilly or the rest of them on locally. But, while watching the FNC in your area, you will see local advertising as well as other national stuff. Depends on the cable provider I would think. Also calling the cable providers might be another route? I am not sure about that. Unless your local FOX affiliate is wingnutty too, I honestly have never compared and contrasted their news or locally focused programming.

About the only time I watch any Fox locally is if they have a sporting event on I want to watch. Here in Columbus, the Fox local news (shared with an ABC affiliate too) is terrible, so I never watch it.

I try to make sure FOX anything doesn’t get much attention from me.

Later Lizards…gotta run.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Oct 10, 2015 • 1:28:51pm

So I see this on FB with a story on crazy asshole Ben Carson:

Think Hitler would have had a hard time if people all had guns?

This kind of presumes that the German people didn’t go along with Hitler, didn’t like or at least accept him, and indeed disliked him so much that they’d have taken up arms to resist. While I don’t know that he was actually all that popular, there’s certainly no reason to think that there was anything like support for an armed resistance.

We used to talk about how Hitler was able to rise to power because Germany was beaten and suffering from heavy reparations forced on it after losing WWI, and he told the Germans that not only was the war not their fault, but that losing wasn’t their fault either, that they’d been sold out by The Enemy Within.

Under Hitler, Germany recovered from the Depression, expanded her influence, then took over Europe with surprising ease. I’m pretty sure that the German people were okay with that. Sure, when they started LOSING, I bet he lost a lot of popularity. But the idea that if the Germans were armed they’d have resisted the persecution and ultimately the rounding up of the Jews? Where’s the evidence for that?

The Right are trying to rewrite history in a self-serving but ultimately dangerous way.

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jaunte  Oct 10, 2015 • 1:31:11pm

“…Podliska told CNN that the committee, which has spent $4.6 million so far and is chaired by Rep. Trey Gowdy, R-South Carolina, pulled resources away from probes of other individuals and agencies to focus almost exclusively on Clinton and the State Department she helmed for four years.”
cnn.com

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Varek Raith  Oct 10, 2015 • 1:33:16pm

re: #117 jaunte

“…Podliska told CNN that the committee, which has spent $4.6 million so far and is chaired by Rep. Trey Gowdy, R-South Carolina, pulled resources away from probes of other individuals and agencies to focus almost exclusively on Clinton and the State Department she helmed for four years.”
cnn.com

And the media are wholly complicit in perpetrating this attack.

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jaunte  Oct 10, 2015 • 1:34:01pm
“…Podliska also leveled accusations about the committee’s work environment, telling CNN that “there was very little work actually being done.”

He said half the staff was “surfing the Web all day long” and said “there was plenty of drinking during the work day.”

And while he was reprimanded for sharing an invitation to an event with his colleagues via work email, he said a group of staffers had set up a “gun buying club” for “chrome-plated, monogrammed Tiffany-style Glock nine millimeters” and that staffers would spend “hours at a time” designing the guns.

She would organize meetings where several staffers were going in to buy chrome-plated, monogrammed tiffany-style Glock .9 millimeters. Hours at a time, they would design these guns.

“It was a classic case — and this is me, as a conservative — of taxpayer waste, fraud and abuse,” he said. “It should not have occurred.”cnn.com

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wrenchwench  Oct 10, 2015 • 1:38:21pm

re: #119 jaunte

Is he blabbing only because he got fired?

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Kid A  Oct 10, 2015 • 1:38:31pm

Has anyone in the media looked up the police report of the Popeye’s robbery in Baltimore that Ben Carson says he was at? Surely he would’ve been interviewed since he was a witness, correct? If there’s no police report and he just made it up, he must end his campaign immediately.

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Varek Raith  Oct 10, 2015 • 1:39:15pm

re: #121 Kid A

Has anyone in the media looked up the police report of the Popeye’s robbery in Baltimore that Ben Carson says he was at? Surely he would’ve been interviewed since he was a witness, correct? If there’s no police report and he just made it up, he must end his campaign immediately.

I was wondering the same thing.
Smells…fishy.

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jaunte  Oct 10, 2015 • 1:39:35pm

re: #120 wrenchwench

Seems like he gradually became disgruntled with the committee over a period of months.

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jaunte  Oct 10, 2015 • 1:40:50pm
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KGxvi  Oct 10, 2015 • 1:40:57pm

re: #104 Charles Johnson

If no opposition is filed, the court just rules on the motion. It doesn’t mean that the court will grant the motion but given the fact that his attorney asked for extra time and still didn’t file an opposition, the judge will not look kindly on that. Of course, if the case gets dismissed and no opposition was filed, Chuck will have a claim for malpractice against his attorney. The attorney may also try playing the “we filed over the weekend and there’s no prejudice since we could file up until midnight on Friday.” That’s also not likely to be well taken by the judge, but they might let it slide

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Charles Johnson  Oct 10, 2015 • 1:47:07pm

re: #125 KGxvi

If no opposition is filed, the court just rules on the motion. It doesn’t mean that the court will grant the motion but given the fact that his attorney asked for extra time and still didn’t file an opposition, the judge will not look kindly on that. Of course, if the case gets dismissed and no opposition was filed, Chuck will have a claim for malpractice against his attorney. The attorney may also try playing the “we filed over the weekend and there’s no prejudice since we could file up until midnight on Friday.” That’s also not likely to be well taken by the judge, but they might let it slide

As I understand it there are two motions he was supposed to respond to: the motion to dismiss for lack of jurisdiction, and the anti-SLAPP motion. If the case is dismissed it will never get to the anti-SLAPP, and that would be a shame because that’s the one that would really hurt our pal Chuck.

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Higgs Boson's Mate  Oct 10, 2015 • 1:52:41pm

re: #121 Kid A

Has anyone in the media looked up the police report of the Popeye’s robbery in Baltimore that Ben Carson says he was at? Surely he would’ve been interviewed since he was a witness, correct? If there’s no police report and he just made it up, he must end his campaign immediately.

The would-be robber fled in tears after feeling the lash of Carson’s Conservapowers.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 10, 2015 • 1:54:31pm

re: #121 Kid A

Has anyone in the media looked up the police report of the Popeye’s robbery in Baltimore that Ben Carson says he was at? Surely he would’ve been interviewed since he was a witness, correct? If there’s no police report and he just made it up, he must end his campaign immediately.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 10, 2015 • 2:00:40pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 10, 2015 • 2:03:21pm
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Great White Snark  Oct 10, 2015 • 2:05:01pm

Okay all set to see The Martian tomorrow. Not 3d, but huge screen and Atmos sound at the old Cinerama Dome theater. Arclight these days.

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Charles Johnson  Oct 10, 2015 • 2:10:24pm
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Higgs Boson's Mate  Oct 10, 2015 • 2:12:05pm

re: #131 Great White Snark

Saw something in 3D a few years ago. The 3D glasses acted like a pair of shades and the whole movie looked darker than the 2D version.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 10, 2015 • 2:18:24pm

just saw this on my FB TL:

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Bubblehead II  Oct 10, 2015 • 2:23:28pm

Good DK post.

Planned Parenthood: Why the Republicans Really Want to Axe it

I won’t keep you in suspense. They want to defund and destroy Plannned Parenthood for two reasons: 1) because of its Return On Investment or ROI in the parlance of finance and 2) because of its ability to get out the vote (GOTV). I’ll address the ROI first.

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Khal Wimpo  Oct 10, 2015 • 2:54:01pm

Meanwhile, over at Politico, some former speechwriter for Duhbya, is rending his clothes and declaring the GOP Establishment dead:

A sampling:

Tossed aside by the voters almost immediately have been two successful large-state governors—Rick Perry and Scott Walker—who the smart money in Washington (if that isn’t an oxymoron by now) thought would be among the last candidates standing. And to paraphrase David Frum, Washington’s dream candidate, the aforementioned Jeb!, is in some polls barely registering at a percentage higher than low-fat milk. He’s fighting for the opinion poll scraps with John Kasich—the popular governor of a swing state— a former governor of Arkansas, and the sitting governor of New Jersey. All of them together, though, barely garner a third of the GOP polls.
Combine the presidential race with the activity on Capitol Hill and it’s clear that in the space of just a few months, the Republican Party has rejected the establishment from top to bottom.
The Republican leadership needs a total rethink, a massive shakeup. It will only unite behind a fresh face who isn’t tainted by a role in the existing leadership nor comes across as if conservatives are a nuisance to manage, rather than essential to their party’s base. And it needs leaders willing to stand up to the Democrats as much as they seem willing to stand up to their own supporters. But since that won’t possibly happen, the voters look likely to do it for them at ballot boxes in the months ahead. And it can’t happen a moment too soon.

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Charles Johnson  Oct 10, 2015 • 2:58:33pm
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Charles Johnson  Oct 10, 2015 • 2:58:57pm
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Charles Johnson  Oct 10, 2015 • 3:00:16pm
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Higgs Boson's Mate  Oct 10, 2015 • 3:01:53pm

Someone mentioned the other day that they were going to their High School reunion. My HS is holding an all-class reunion as I write in the park not fifty yards from where I sit. Still not bothering. If I want to hang with geezers the Senior Center is two minutes’ walk away.

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Brian J.  Oct 10, 2015 • 3:02:46pm

re: #136 Khal Wimpo

You would think that, at some point, the reflexive denigration of anyone who has actually been elected to something or attempted to accomplish anything as a liberal sell-out would discourage people from running for office as Republicans. But that sure hasn’t happened yet here.

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Joe Bacon  Oct 10, 2015 • 3:02:59pm

re: #136 Khal Wimpo

Meanwhile, over at Politico, some former speechwriter for Duhbya, is rending his clothes and declaring the GOP Establishment dead:

A sampling:

I believe we’re seeing the end of the GOP as a major party. When they default on the debt that will cause a major meltdown on the markets and a massive downgrade of America’s credit rating. Wall Street will pull the plug and divert their cash to the Libertarians.

If the current trend continues in the polls, I believe nobody will be able to nail down the GOP nomination before the convention. Trump will come in with the most delegates but he won’t have enough to get nominated on the first ballot. For the first time since 1952 we will see a brokered convention that will shatter the party. I believe the bosses will meet in the smoke filled room and put up Romney & Ryan again. Trump will walk and go over to the Constitutional Party. Rand Paul may take his folks over to the Libertarian Party. The 2016 election may look like 1836 when a united Democratic party faced a split opposition.

I would not be surprised to see the Republicans go the same way as the British Liberals did in the 1880s—becoming a rump party that has a handful of Congressional and Senate seats in the South and Rocky Mountain states.

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Bubblehead II  Oct 10, 2015 • 3:07:12pm

Ya know, I love watching the republicans cannibalize each other as much as the next person, but we need to keep an eye on the bigger picture here. We hit the debt ceiling sometime around the end of October and the budget runs out on Dec. 11th. Unless these ass-hats gets their shit together soon, we run the real chance of not only defaulting on the National debt, but a Government shut down come December.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 10, 2015 • 3:11:22pm

her daughter was killed at the Aurora theatre shooting:

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Khal Wimpo  Oct 10, 2015 • 3:14:16pm

re: #141 Brian J.

You would think that, at some point, the reflexive denigration of anyone who has actually been elected to something or attempted to accomplish anything as a liberal sell-out would discourage people from running for office as Republicans. But that sure hasn’t happened yet here.

Apparently, you can get elected to office in the GOP by promising to bring about the utter destruction of the American government. Their hatred is now bone-deep. Unreasoning. It is entwined with religious faith, and that being the case, it is impervious to facts or reason.

Mentioned upstream was a scenario in which the RWNJs go apeshit after losing to Hilary in 2016 and riot all over the U.S. I don’t think there will be anything organized; but certainly an uptick in cowardly ambush attacks between now & then seems likely.

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Joe Bacon  Oct 10, 2015 • 3:14:21pm

re: #143 Bubblehead II

Ya know, I love watching the republicans cannibalize each other as much as the next person, but we need to keep an eye on the bigger picture here. We hit the debt ceiling sometime around the end of October and the budget runs out on Dec. 11th. Unless these ass-hats gets their shit together soon, we run the real chance of not only defaulting on the National debt, but a Government shut down come December.

Both are going to happen.

Watch what happens when teabaggers don’t get their Social Security, SSI or VA checks because the government has defaulted.

It will not be pretty.

Fox News and the Corporate Controlled Conservative Press will try and pin this on Obama, but when Republican assholes go on TV and blurt out that people have to tighten their belts while taxes have to be cut for the rich there will be a backlash.

Look at the backlash Kasich got in New Hampshire when he told a bunch of senior citizens that he was going to cut their Social Security checks and he told them to live with it. Not a nice reaction from the Teabaggers!

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Bubblehead II  Oct 10, 2015 • 3:22:37pm

re: #146 Joe Bacon

Both are going to happen.

Watch what happens when teabaggers don’t get their Social Security, SSI or VA checks because the government has defaulted.

It will not be pretty.

Fox News and the Corporate Controlled Conservative Press will try and pin this on Obama, but when Republican assholes go on TV and blurt out that people have to tighten their belts while taxes have to be cut for the rich there will be a backlash.

Look at the backlash Katich got in New Hampshire when he told a bunch of senior citizens that he was going to cut their Social Security checks and he told them to live with it. Not a nice reaction from the Teabaggers!

Sadly, I think you’re right. That being the case, Pres. Obama needs to start hammering on the republicans to clean up their act and start taking care of business. That way when one or both occur, he can honestly say he tried to get the republicans to do their job and they refused.

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Higgs Boson's Mate  Oct 10, 2015 • 3:24:18pm

re: #142 Joe Bacon

I thought that we were supposed to be seeing the end of the GOP as a major party due to their overreaching with the Clinton impeachment.
Then the GOP was definitely headed for the dustbin of history when Obama was elected with a Democratic Congress in place.
The GOP will continue to be a major political party because the system needs two parties and it’s set up to prevent a viable third party. You need only to look at how deferentially the media treats the GOPers, no matter what kind of insane lies they’re spouting, to realize the lengths to which the system will go to maintain the desperate charade that the GOP is just as fit to govern as the Dems.

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danarchy  Oct 10, 2015 • 3:26:04pm

re: #146 Joe Bacon

Both are going to happen.

Watch what happens when teabaggers don’t get their Social Security, SSI or VA checks because the government has defaulted.

It will not be pretty.

Fox News and the Corporate Controlled Conservative Press will try and pin this on Obama, but when Republican assholes go on TV and blurt out that people have to tighten their belts while taxes have to be cut for the rich there will be a backlash.

Look at the backlash Kasich got in New Hampshire when he told a bunch of senior citizens that he was going to cut their Social Security checks and he told them to live with it. Not a nice reaction from the Teabaggers!

Don’t think either will happen. Boehner is on his way out the door and they don’t look like they will get their shit together to have a new speaker by then. He doesn’t have to pander to the whackos he can just give them a big old double middle finger and pass stuff with Dem votes.

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Varek Raith  Oct 10, 2015 • 3:29:43pm

re: #137 Charles Johnson

[Embedded content]

Hatred for whites?
The fuck?
e_e

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Bubblehead II  Oct 10, 2015 • 3:34:28pm

re: #149 danarchy

Don’t think either will happen. Boehner is on his way out the door and they don’t look like they will get their shit together to have a new speaker by then. He doesn’t have to pander to the whackos he can just give them a big old double middle finger and pass stuff with Dem votes.

Then why hasn’t he done so? If anything, signalling he is going to do such a thing would at least be a bitch slap up against the tpgop’s head and might wake some of them up to the reality of governing.

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Whack-A-Mole  Oct 10, 2015 • 3:43:26pm

Sorry to go very OT but I have a question and can’t seem to find an appropriate answer anywhere (My googlefu appears weak today).

My son and I took a walk down to a local restaurant as a bit of a treat this afternoon and we happened to be passing by a Catholic church at noon. The clock struck 12 times (as expected) but, after a pause, continued to strike. It struck 3 more sets of 3, with a brief pause between each set, then a set of 18. My counts could be off, but I’m pretty sure they’re accurate.

My son asked me what those extra rings meant and I didn’t know. (As a father, that is of course unacceptable because fathers should be able to answer anything and he’s grown to old to believe “because garden gnomes”.)

Anyone know what the extra rings signified?

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Amory Blaine  Oct 10, 2015 • 3:48:56pm

Victim blaming the Jews for the Holocaust? There is no depth to the depravity of the american conservative.

154
prairiefire  Oct 10, 2015 • 3:50:38pm

re: #152 Whack-A-Mole

Do they have a recording or an actual bell? Just curious, it could have been a call to Mass.

155
Whack-A-Mole  Oct 10, 2015 • 3:51:22pm

re: #152 Whack-A-Mole

Found the answer. The extra tolls were the Ringing of the Angelus.

156
Whack-A-Mole  Oct 10, 2015 • 3:52:14pm

re: #154 prairiefire

Yes, it was an actual bell. And judging by the state of the parking lots, there were no services or events in progress.

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Bubblehead II  Oct 10, 2015 • 3:52:36pm

re: #152 Whack-A-Mole

Sorry to go very OT but I have a question and can’t seem to find an appropriate answer anywhere (My googlefu appears weak today).

My son and I took a walk down to a local restaurant as a bit of a treat this afternoon and we happened to be passing by a Catholic church at noon. The clock struck 12 times (as expected) but, after a pause, continued to strike. It struck 3 more sets of 3, with a brief pause between each set, then a set of 18. My counts could be off, but I’m pretty sure they’re accurate.

My son asked me what those extra rings meant and I didn’t know. (As a father, that is of course unacceptable because fathers should be able to answer anything and he’s grown to old to believe “because garden gnomes”.)

Anyone know what the extra rings signified?

Anything going on at the Church? Wedding, Funeral?

The ringing of a church bell to announce a death is called a death knell. The type of death knell sometimes depended on the person who had died; for example in the counties of Kent and Surrey in England it was customary to ring three times three strokes for a man and three times two for a woman.

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prairiefire  Oct 10, 2015 • 3:52:52pm

re: #156 Whack-A-Mole

That’s lovely to still have an old bell.

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Whack-A-Mole  Oct 10, 2015 • 3:55:12pm

re: #158 prairiefire

Yeah, it’s actually a beautiful church from the outside. Lots of nice stonework, huge steeple, beautiful stained glass. Really makes me wonder what the interior is like.

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prairiefire  Oct 10, 2015 • 3:58:26pm

re: #159 Whack-A-Mole

Dusty.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Oct 10, 2015 • 4:01:00pm

re: #150 Varek Raith

Hatred for whites?
The fuck?
e_e

That was my approximate reaction.

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meteor  Oct 10, 2015 • 4:18:46pm

OT but thought I’d throw it in. I was reading “Eleven Days,” a mystery novel by Stav Sherez, and I turned to the acknowledgements page. Among the people he thanked was Milo Yiannopoulos. Turns out they both used to work together on the Catholic Herald. Depressing.

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CleverToad  Oct 10, 2015 • 4:21:21pm

re: #157 Bubblehead II

As an old Dorothy Sayers fan, the first thing that sprang to mind was The Nine Tailors and the traditional death knell. Rather glad to hear it’s just a nice ritual prayer.


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