Ben Carson Says We’re Approaching the End Times, But He’ll Save Us if We Elect Him President

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How crazy is Ben Carson, anyway?

This crazy: Carson: We Could Be Close to the End of Days.

Ben Carson on Sunday said the world may be getting closer to the end of days.

The GOP presidential candidate offered the comments to Sharyl Attkisson during an interview on SBG’s “Frontline.”

“You could guess that we are getting closer to that,” he said when asked about the end of days.

“You do have people that have a belief system that sees this apocalyptic phenomenon occurring and that they’re a part of it,” Carson said. “[They] would not hesitate to use nuclear weapons if they could gain possession of them.”

The retired neurosurgeon then argued that if the world were truly approaching its destruction, he would do his best to reverse that course as president.

“I think we have a chance to certainly ameliorate the situation,” he said. “I would always be shooting for peace.

“I wouldn’t just take a fatalistic view of things,” Carson added.

Imagine, if you will, someone who thinks like this in charge of America’s nuclear arsenal.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 12, 2015 • 6:30:18pm

How generous of him. This guy is too nutty to be a dogcatcher.

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Kragar  Oct 12, 2015 • 6:30:26pm

Lets give that man the access codes for the nukes!

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teleskiguy  Oct 12, 2015 • 6:30:58pm

This man has no business being in the halls of power in our secular government.

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PT Barnum  Oct 12, 2015 • 6:34:49pm

re: #3 teleskiguy

This man has no business being in the halls of power in our secular government.

He has no business being out of the jacket with the really long sleeves.

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goddamnedfrank  Oct 12, 2015 • 6:35:47pm
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Blind Frog Belly White  Oct 12, 2015 • 6:36:22pm

“I would always be shooting for peace.”

Shooting for peace. Like fucking for virginity.

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Decatur Deb  Oct 12, 2015 • 6:37:04pm

If he really believed that, he would know that no mere president and piddling nuclear force can stop it. He would be off praying somewhere, which is not a bad idea in any case.

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lockjawcanbefun  Oct 12, 2015 • 6:37:41pm

“If Jesus won’t come back soon, I’ll darn sure try my best to try to help him”

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HappyWarrior  Oct 12, 2015 • 6:39:02pm

I really think this man is more dangerous than Donald Trump.

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Maxwell Not So Smart  Oct 12, 2015 • 6:39:02pm
Imagine, if you will, someone who thinks like this in charge of America’s nuclear arsenal.

I wouldn’t trust this nutjob with car keys.

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freetoken  Oct 12, 2015 • 6:40:48pm

The key takeaway from this interview is that, once again, we see how close in worldviews the fundamentalist Christian right, like Carson, are to the Islamists of whom they decry.

The correct answer to the question of “Are we near the End Times” is ‘There is no such thing.

The candidacy of Ben Carson is an excellent example of a culture and worldview in America that is now been exposed, and has been for some time, as being out of touch with reality.

The 21st century - it’s already 14% gone - and here we still have people clinging to centuries old myths that have been proven erroneous over and over.

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The Vicious Babushka  Oct 12, 2015 • 6:42:06pm

re: #1 HappyWarrior

How generous of him. This guy is too nutty to be a dogcatcher.

I don’t like that expression, it’s obsolete. For one thing “animal control officer” requires skills, and it’s not an elected office that only the most unqualified could attain.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 12, 2015 • 6:42:19pm

re: #11 freetoken

The key takeaway from this interview is that, once again, we see how close in worldviews the fundamentalist Christian right, like Carson, are to the Islamists of whom they decry.

The correct answer to the question of “Are we near the End Times” is ‘There is no such thing.

The candidacy of Ben Carson is an excellent example of a culture and worldview in America that is now been exposed, and has been for some time, as being out of touch with reality.

The 21st century - it’s already 14% gone - and here we still have people clinging to centuries old myths that have been proven erroneous over and over.

What disturbs me is I think guys like him have gotten more and more visible. I remember when Alan Keyes ran in 2000 and he was a fringe candidate. If Keyes had the GOP electorate of 2016, I seriously think he would have been a legitimate candidate.

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Mattand  Oct 12, 2015 • 6:42:45pm

How can someone this fucking nuts put on his socks without hurting himself, much less become a world-renown surgeon?

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The Vicious Babushka  Oct 12, 2015 • 6:42:57pm

Carryover from the previous thread

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HappyWarrior  Oct 12, 2015 • 6:43:33pm

re: #12 The Vicious Babushka

I don’t like that expression, it’s obsolete. For one thing “animal control officer” requires skills, and it’s not an elected office that only the most unqualified could attain.

You’re absolutely right about that.

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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Oct 12, 2015 • 6:43:37pm

re: #9 HappyWarrior

I really think this man is more dangerous than Donald Trump.

he’s especially dangerous since for some unfathomable reason he consistently does better than any other republican in poll matchups against democrats

???

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Kragar  Oct 12, 2015 • 6:43:45pm

But remember folks, we can’t trust any deal with the Iranians because of their hardliners who believe the Mahdi will return and start Armageddon.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 12, 2015 • 6:44:06pm

re: #15 The Vicious Babushka

Carryover from the previous thread

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In other words another day of Ben Shapiro is a stupid classless jackass.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 12, 2015 • 6:44:36pm

re: #17 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸

he’s especially dangerous since for some unfathomable reason he consistently does better than any other republican in poll matchups against democrats

???

I think Trump has one small saving grace and that he’s not a religious fanatic.

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The Vicious Babushka  Oct 12, 2015 • 6:46:03pm

Holy moly

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lawhawk  Oct 12, 2015 • 6:46:19pm

Just what we want is yet another GOPer whose distorted worldview doesn’t comport with facts or reality.

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The Vicious Babushka  Oct 12, 2015 • 6:46:48pm

I wouldn’t trust Dana Loesch around all those guns tonight. Just sayin’

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Blind Frog Belly White  Oct 12, 2015 • 6:46:52pm

I don’t read this as him expecting the Biblical ‘End Times’, but rather as an awkward expression of the wingnut belief that the Iranians, among others, are trying to get ahold of nukes to being about the Koranic Apocalypse. This, I believe, is one of the Wingnut articles of faith, that the Mullahs want to nuke Israel and die in the ensuing firestorm or some damn nonsense.

But whatever, the man is clearly in over his head, and approaches every problem from the POV of someone who believes all the crap in the Wingnuttosphere is true. That alone makes him terribly dangerous. But combine that with the arrogance of a guy who doesn’t need actual knowledge, and indeed denigrates it, and you have the makings of catastrophe.

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Charles Johnson  Oct 12, 2015 • 6:47:17pm

re: #20 HappyWarrior

I think Trump has one small saving grace and that he’s not a religious fanatic.

Actually, he is. His religion is money.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 12, 2015 • 6:47:25pm

I have to admit. I hated the Christian Taliban label for guys like this once upon a time but the more Carson talks, the more I apologize for thinking that term was hyperbolic.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 12, 2015 • 6:47:46pm

re: #25 Charles Johnson

Actually, he is. His religion is money.

True, true good point.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Oct 12, 2015 • 6:48:03pm

re: #23 The Vicious Babushka

I wouldn’t trust Dana Loesch around all those guns tonight. Just sayin’

FTFY

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The Vicious Babushka  Oct 12, 2015 • 6:49:04pm
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Charles Johnson  Oct 12, 2015 • 6:49:05pm

re: #24 Blind Frog Belly White

Carson is a Seventh Day Adventist, and they very definitely believe in the End Times: en.wikipedia.org

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HappyWarrior  Oct 12, 2015 • 6:51:52pm

I think he’s very real. At first, I thought he was just a cynical con man but just because he’s a medical professional doesn’t mean he’s immune from wacky religious beliefs.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Oct 12, 2015 • 6:52:58pm

re: #30 Charles Johnson

Carson is a Seventh Day Adventist, and they very definitely believe in the End Times: en.wikipedia.org

Oh, I’m sure. I just don’t see that in THIS interview. To me he seems to be talking about other people trying to bring about THEIR expected End Times.

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SteveMcGaziBolaGate  Oct 12, 2015 • 6:53:04pm

If Jesus won’t end the world, Carson will do it for Him.

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Kragar  Oct 12, 2015 • 6:53:17pm

re: #22 lawhawk

Every GOP candidate today seems to be modeled after Greg Stillson

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Decatur Deb  Oct 12, 2015 • 6:53:19pm

re: #17 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸

he’s especially dangerous since for some unfathomable reason he consistently does better than any other republican in poll matchups against democrats

???

When we figure out how he does that, they will probably name it the “Carson Effect”. Right now it probably has a lot to do with evangelicals and White southern fronting.

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Decatur Deb  Oct 12, 2015 • 6:54:40pm

re: #29 The Vicious Babushka

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Waiting for the Coke Classic smartphone with the rotary dial.

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KGxvi  Oct 12, 2015 • 6:55:04pm

Sometime I gotta wonder if Jesus really was planning on coming back and then saw all the shit done in his name and was like, “fuck that noise, let’s try this again with Klingons”

The rest of the time, I wonder how so many people can believe a fictional story to be true

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SteveMcGaziBolaGate  Oct 12, 2015 • 6:59:10pm

Jesus has probably already come back a few times, but nobody would believe it’s really Him.

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Kragar  Oct 12, 2015 • 7:00:23pm

re: #38 SteveMcGaziBolaGate

Jesus has probably already come back a few times, but nobody would believe it’s really Him.

“CUT YOUR HAIR AND GET A JOB, YOU HIPPIE!”

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The Vicious Babushka  Oct 12, 2015 • 7:00:49pm

Neurosurgery is a highly refined skill set, and requires intelligence, but it is not a skill set that applies to other fields.

It’s like the “rocket scientist” fallacy:
WELL IF WE CAN SEND A MEN TO THE MOON WHY CAN’T WE (SOMETHING ELSE, SOMETHING ELSE, SOMETHING ELSE)

Sending a human being to the moon was a feat of science and technology that could be broken down into discrete tasks. It was difficult and required teams of highly educated specialists working on their specific tasks but also with each other.

However this skill set does not extend into other areas such as diplomacy and governance. That requires completely different education and skills.

A “community organizer” (as wingnuts disparagingly refer to POTUS, when he was actually a Harvard Law professor) is more qualified for government than a neurosurgeon.

A former Secretary of State, U.S. Senator and First Lady is more qualified to be POTUS than a tantrum-having wealthy property owning deal making business guy.

A U.S. Senator with 30 years in government and “community organizing” is more qualified to be POTUS than a failed CEO who gamed her way to the top without even knowing what a widget is.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 12, 2015 • 7:00:59pm

re: #39 Kragar

“CUT YOUR HAIR AND GET A JOB, YOU HIPPIE!”

They’d probably bitch at him for encouraging helping the poor.

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SteveMcGaziBolaGate  Oct 12, 2015 • 7:02:04pm

re: #41 HappyWarrior

They’d probably bitch at him for encouragabling helping the poor.

You’re welcome

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HappyWarrior  Oct 12, 2015 • 7:02:20pm

re: #40 The Vicious Babushka

Neurosurgery is a highly refined skill set, and requires intelligence, but it is not a skill set that applies to other fields.

It’s like the “rocket scientist” fallacy:
WELL IF WE CAN SEND A MEN TO THE MOON WHY CAN’T WE (SOMETHING ELSE, SOMETHING ELSE, SOMETHING ELSE)

Sending a human being to the moon was a feat of science and technology that could be broken down into discrete tasks. It was difficult and required teams of highly educated specialists working on their specific tasks but also with each other.

However this skill set does not extend into other areas such as diplomacy and governance. That requires completely different education and skills.

A “community organizer” (as wingnuts disparagingly refer to POTUS, when he was actually a Harvard Law professor) is more qualified for government than a neurosurgeon.

A former Secretary of State, U.S. Senator and First Lady is more qualified to be POTUS than a tantrum-having wealthy property owning deal making business guy.

A U.S. Senator with 30 years in government and “community organizing” is more qualified to be POTUS than a failed CEO who gamed her way to the top without even knowing what a widget is.

Absolutely. Carson’s no more qualified to be president than I am to be mathematics chair at a major university. And you’re right, the “community activist” is a lot more experienced than both Trump and Carson and Fiorina.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 12, 2015 • 7:02:32pm

re: #42 SteveMcGaziBolaGate

You’re welcome

Win.

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freetoken  Oct 12, 2015 • 7:02:51pm

re: #29 The Vicious Babushka

It’s here that I will point out that PepsiCo is the pusher of the Mountain Dew drug onto America.

Soon, PepsiCo will go into the landscape business.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Oct 12, 2015 • 7:02:55pm

re: #41 HappyWarrior

They’d probably bitch at him for encouraging helping the poor.

Welcoming refugees, too.

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jaunte  Oct 12, 2015 • 7:03:36pm

re: #36 Decatur Deb

Waiting for the Coke Classic smartphone with the rotary dial.

I have the Coke Classic waxed paper cups with the string.

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The Vicious Babushka  Oct 12, 2015 • 7:03:39pm

Also: A U.S. Senator, in spite of his claim to making deep, sweet love to the U.S. Constitution every night, is less qualified to be POTUS than someone who can actually play well with others. (this applies to both Rand & Cruz)

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HappyWarrior  Oct 12, 2015 • 7:03:56pm

re: #46 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

Welcoming refugees, too.

Oh of course. It amazes me how all the politicians who love to tell us how Christian they are vowing to not admit a single refugee. I’m looking at you Munster Cruz.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Oct 12, 2015 • 7:05:03pm

re: #45 freetoken

It’s here that I will point out that PepsiCo is the pusher of the Mountain Dew drug onto America.

Soon, PepsiCo will go into the landscape business.

The soft drink manufacturers are facing a decline in sales of sugary, fizzy drinks, so they’re looking to diversify. I’m not sure marketing a Pepsi phone is the way to go, however.

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b_sharp  Oct 12, 2015 • 7:06:20pm

re: #32 Blind Frog Belly White

Oh, I’m sure. I just don’t see that in THIS interview. To me he seems to be talking about other people trying to bring about THEIR expected End Times.

This is how I see it as well.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 12, 2015 • 7:06:22pm

Well the state Democrats appear to be targeting my state senator the prick. I’ve seen a lot of their ads but not much of Dick the Prick’s. Hoping that maybe he’s not well liked by his fellow R’s (He openly wrote a letter to Syria’s Al-Assad praising him FFS.) Dr. McCabe is an intelligent woman and unlike Black not a bigoted old kook with backass backwards views on sexuality and gender.

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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Oct 12, 2015 • 7:06:23pm

re: #40 The Vicious Babushka

Neurosurgery is a highly refined skill set, and requires intelligence, but it is not a skill set that applies to other fields.

actually, my cousin is a neurosurgeon, and he told me this story:

another neurosurgeon friend of his always wanted to be a shredding genius heavy metal guitarist. one day he sees a metal god idol of his being interviewed on tee vee. the guy is being modest - “well, i’m glad people like my music, but it aint brain surgery”.

so this neurosurgeon writes to him, saying “yanno, i can teach somebody to be a brain surgeon, but i have trying to play like you for 20 years and no matter how hard i try, i cant even get close”

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SteveMcGaziBolaGate  Oct 12, 2015 • 7:06:43pm

I mentioned earlier today that Discovery Life channel is advertising “Ben Carson: The Lost Tapes” to debut next week. I was curious, so I googled and from press.discovery.com:

“Dr. Carson is in the limelight because he’s a political hopeful, but prior to a career in politics, Dr. Carson was the go-to surgeon for pediatric brain surgery, completing up to 500 surgeries a year. BEN CARSON: THE LOST TAPES delves deep into the archives of some of the most noteworthy surgeries, including the first successful surgical separation of infant Zambian twins Luka and Joseph Banda, which made headlines throughout the world. He was the first-person to ever use a tool for brain tumor surgeries - a wand with special sensors at its tip - to surgically remove life-threatening brain tumors.

“As a child growing up in the slums of Detroit, Dr. Carson was told he was stupid and would never amount to anything by his teachers, but his mother pushed him to read books and write reports on a weekly basis, which helped him become the doctor he is today.”

How can this be the same man?

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The Vicious Babushka  Oct 12, 2015 • 7:07:08pm

Wingnuts who claim Obama is Hitlering them have a new hero:

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Oct 12, 2015 • 7:08:16pm

re: #54 SteveMcGaziBolaGate

Age, maybe.

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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Oct 12, 2015 • 7:08:20pm

re: #49 HappyWarrior

Oh of course. It amazes me how all the politicians who love to tell us how Christian they are vowing to not admit a single refugee. I’m looking at you Munster Cruz.

i wonder what the cruz family thanksgivings are like, what with half the family monsters and the other half always going on about communists in the state department

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HappyWarrior  Oct 12, 2015 • 7:08:29pm

re: #54 SteveMcGaziBolaGate

I mentioned earlier today that Discovery Life channel is advertising “Ben Carson: The Lost Tapes” to debut next week. I was curious, so I googled and from press.discovery.com:

“Dr. Carson is in the limelight because he’s a political hopeful, but prior to a career in politics, Dr. Carson was the go-to surgeon for pediatric brain surgery, completing up to 500 surgeries a year. BEN CARSON: THE LOST TAPES delves deep into the archives of some of the most noteworthy surgeries, including the first successful surgical separation of infant Zambian twins Luka and Joseph Banda, which made headlines throughout the world. He was the first-person to ever use a tool for brain tumor surgeries - a wand with special sensors at its tip - to surgically remove life-threatening brain tumors.

“As a child growing up in the slums of Detroit, Dr. Carson was told he was stupid and would never amount to anything by his teachers, but his mother pushed him to read books and write reports on a weekly basis, which helped him become the doctor he is today.”

How can this be the same man?

I remember hearing that Lavar Burton played him in a made for TV movie and it just seemed like a great story. A nice story really. You’d think he’d have some self awareness.

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The Vicious Babushka  Oct 12, 2015 • 7:08:37pm

re: #54 SteveMcGaziBolaGate

I mentioned earlier today that Discovery Life channel is advertising “Ben Carson: The Lost Tapes” to debut next week. I was curious, so I googled and from press.discovery.com:

“Dr. Carson is in the limelight because he’s a political hopeful, but prior to a career in politics, Dr. Carson was the go-to surgeon for pediatric brain surgery, completing up to 500 surgeries a year. BEN CARSON: THE LOST TAPES delves deep into the archives of some of the most noteworthy surgeries, including the first successful surgical separation of infant Zambian twins Luka and Joseph Banda, which made headlines throughout the world. He was the first-person to ever use a tool for brain tumor surgeries - a wand with special sensors at its tip - to surgically remove life-threatening brain tumors.

“As a child growing up in the slums of Detroit, Dr. Carson was told he was stupid and would never amount to anything by his teachers, but his mother pushed him to read books and write reports on a weekly basis, which helped him become the doctor he is today.”

How can this be the same man?

They are not the same man. The guy running for GOP nomination is the separated twin who didn’t get the brain.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 12, 2015 • 7:09:17pm

re: #55 The Vicious Babushka

Wingnuts who claim Obama is Hitlering them have a new hero:

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You know you’re a pathetic wingnut when you post this and think it makes you sound profound. Yes, wingnuts, Putin sounds more “sane” than Obama. Putin the guy who banned Americans from adopting Russian children is “sane.”

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b_sharp  Oct 12, 2015 • 7:09:31pm

I don’t see Carson in this interview talking about the Biblical end times and his belief in it, but referring to people like ISIL who would like to initiate the end times & his willingness & ability, confused as he is about that, to stop ISIL from accomplishing their goals.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 12, 2015 • 7:10:00pm

re: #57 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸

i wonder what the cruz family thanksgivings are like, what with half the family monsters and the other half always going on about communists in the state department

Haha and the others doing their bad Simpsons impressions.

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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Oct 12, 2015 • 7:11:16pm

re: #54 SteveMcGaziBolaGate

How can this be the same man?

lindbergh just seemed like the perfect modest all american hero right up until they found out what a fucking nazi he was

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freetoken  Oct 12, 2015 • 7:11:30pm

re: #61 b_sharp

Yes, I agree. But in that he failed because he refuses to address why ISIL and their ilk are erroneous and crazy in their thinking.

Because if Ben would do that, he’d expose his Seventh Day Adventists beliefs as being just as looney.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 12, 2015 • 7:11:46pm

re: #63 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸

lindbergh just seemed like the perfect modest all american hero right up until they found out what a fucking nazi he was

That’s actually a good point.

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b_sharp  Oct 12, 2015 • 7:12:22pm

And in the world that matters most, I had an awesome Turkey dinner and chowed down 2 pieces of pie, one lemon & one pumpkin with whipped cream topping.

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SteveMcGaziBolaGate  Oct 12, 2015 • 7:12:33pm

re: #56 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

re: #58 HappyWarrior

re: #59 The Vicious Babushka

Maybe he used the best part of his brain for medicine, and now all that’s left is the dusty attic.

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freetoken  Oct 12, 2015 • 7:13:42pm

re: #67 SteveMcGaziBolaGate

I think he’s “gone emeritus”.

That’s the phrase I use for people, otherwise well educated, who upon retiring from their full-time profession seem to wander off into cuckoo-land.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 12, 2015 • 7:13:58pm

re: #67 SteveMcGaziBolaGate

Maybe he used the best part of his brain for medicine, and now all that’s left is the dusty attic.

I don’t know. You know I can accept that I’ll have ideological disagreements with him but when he says shit like ACA being the worst thing for America since slavery or when he makes his absurd comments about the Nazis, I just wonder. I know that someone accomplished in one field isn’t going to be great in another but holy crap is he nutty.

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SteveMcGaziBolaGate  Oct 12, 2015 • 7:14:21pm

re: #68 freetoken

I am so ripping that off.

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b_sharp  Oct 12, 2015 • 7:14:32pm

re: #64 freetoken

Yes, I agree. But in that he failed because he refuses to address why ISIL and their ilk are erroneous and crazy in their thinking.

Because if Ben would do that, he’d expose his Seventh Day Adventists beliefs as being just as looney.

That’s likely. However, I’m not fond of posts where we make the same mistakes as wingnuts are known for, namely misunderstanding comments by others and then going on the warpath based on that error.

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jaunte  Oct 12, 2015 • 7:15:03pm

Ben Carson doesn’t understand how the debt ceiling, the budget, or interest rates work

“I would provide the kind of leadership that says, “Get on the stick guys, and stop messing around, and cut where you need to cut, because we’re not raising any spending limits, period.”

Good brain surgeon, not qualified to be President.

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lawhawk  Oct 12, 2015 • 7:15:28pm

Reset the clock:

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b_sharp  Oct 12, 2015 • 7:15:48pm

re: #70 SteveMcGaziBolaGate

I am so ripping that off.

“Going Emeritus” is a well known phenomenon.

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SteveMcGaziBolaGate  Oct 12, 2015 • 7:17:37pm

re: #74 b_sharp

I googled “going emeritus” and the first link reads: “On being ripped off, part II”

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Shiplord Kirel  Oct 12, 2015 • 7:22:31pm

“Cubs win World Series”

Now, that would really be a sign of the end times.

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SteveMcGaziBolaGate  Oct 12, 2015 • 7:23:47pm

re: #76 Shiplord Kirel

God will intervene with two outs in the ninth. Even God can only take so much.

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Khal Wimpo  Oct 12, 2015 • 7:24:53pm

Blast from the past that seems eerily apropos to the so-called political discourse occurring in the U.S. - io9.com

It’s an assault on the senses, a barrage of crazy imagery. Imagine that you went back in time to the late 1960s and found Terry Gilliam, fresh from doing his weird low-fi collage/animations for Monty Python. You proceeded to inject Gilliam with so many steroids his penis shrank to the size of a hair follicle, and you smushed a dozen tabs of LSD under his tongue. And then you gave him the GDP of a few sub-Saharan countries. Gilliam might have made a movie not unlike this one.

(snip)

You try in vain to understand how the pieces fit, you stare into the cracks between the narrative strands, until the cracks become chasms and the chasms become an abyss into which you stare until it looks deep into your own soul, and then you go insane. You. Do. Not. Leave. The Cabinet.

Christ, I feel that way listening to Carson, Trump, Fiorina, and these other cynical louts with dogshit for souls, pander to angry window-lickers, who are desperate to believe that the Big Man Who Shouts At Brown People will make all their fears go away.

Like the Transformers series of movies, at some point, you have to give up and just let it all wash over you, or your brain will explode.

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Romantic Heretic  Oct 12, 2015 • 7:25:57pm

re: #34 Kragar

Every GOP candidate today seems to be modeled after Greg Stillson

One of the scariest scenes ever in a movie.

The Dead Zone (Christopher Walken) - President Martin Sheen starts a nuclear war

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Stanley Sea Toujours  Oct 12, 2015 • 7:26:09pm
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teleskiguy  Oct 12, 2015 • 7:29:03pm

Well well well, looks like some folks in the midwest in 1939 beat Jake Burton Carpenter and Tom Sims to the punch.

Quite possibly the earliest footage of snowboarding known to us.

Video

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Stanley Sea Toujours  Oct 12, 2015 • 7:30:05pm

re: #81 teleskiguy

Well well well, looks like some folks in the midwest in 1939 beat Jake Burton Carpenter and Tom Sims to the punch.

Quite possibly the earliest footage of snowboarding known to us.

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Carving came later.

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Charles Johnson  Oct 12, 2015 • 7:30:07pm

Received today via the LGF contact form:

Nothing on the film “Truth”? Rathergate is what put you on the map and it’s like you’re whitewashing it. Boy, you’ve gone full tilt, bat-sh*t crazy to the left I guess….Nobody is home.

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No Depression  Oct 12, 2015 • 7:31:06pm

Just found out my asshole Congressman is a member of the Freedom Caucus. I’m tempted to send him a strongly worded email voicing my displeasure even though it won’t really accomplish anything.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 12, 2015 • 7:32:00pm

re: #84 No Depression

Just found out my asshole Congressman is a member of the Freedom Caucus. I’m tempted to send him a strongly worded email voicing my displeasure even though it won’t really accomplish anything.

Mine thankfully isn’t but I don’t think you could get away with being very anti-government in this district(lotta federal employees here.)

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SteveMcGaziBolaGate  Oct 12, 2015 • 7:32:02pm

re: #79 Romantic Heretic

I once played golf with a couple of guys who flew together in a B-52. One guy told me the most ominous thing they ever saw was the time they had to scramble out to the flight line, like they did a couple times a week, but this time the truck that usually blocked the runway wasn’t there. To cap it off they were ordered to shut down (I forget how many)engines to conserve fuel while they waited at the end of the runway for the takeoff order that never came. Later they found out that Kennedy had been shot.

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teleskiguy  Oct 12, 2015 • 7:32:42pm

re: #82 Stanley Sea Toujours

Carving came later.

You need metal edges for that. Looks like they’re just sliding down on pieces of wood.

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jaunte  Oct 12, 2015 • 7:33:08pm

re: #83 Charles Johnson

“Whitewashing” a film that hasn’t opened yet?

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Charles Johnson  Oct 12, 2015 • 7:34:10pm

re: #88 jaunte

“Whitewashing” a film that hasn’t opened yet?

These people are not right in the head.

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jaunte  Oct 12, 2015 • 7:35:50pm

I’ve been whitewashing the Coen brother’s Hail Caesar since I saw the trailer.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 12, 2015 • 7:37:09pm

re: #90 jaunte

I’ve been whitewashing the Coen brother’s Hail Caesar since I saw the trailer.

Ooh, I looked at the plot summary. Great cast.

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Stanley Sea Toujours  Oct 12, 2015 • 7:38:05pm

re: #89 Charles Johnson

I read a review today from Liz Smith of all people (I fault to high gossip sometimes)

Very reasoned review. Check it out.

newyorksocialdiary.com

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palomino  Oct 12, 2015 • 7:39:58pm

If you’re too uninformed to talk policy (and Carson clearly fits that description), then do what comes naturally in today’s gop. Change the topic to Jesus. In a party full of religious zealots, it can’t hurt.

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Viscous Obama  Oct 12, 2015 • 7:41:55pm

For your consideration

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HappyWarrior  Oct 12, 2015 • 7:42:56pm

re: #94 Viscous Obama

For your consideration

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I guess NR forgets that Putin invaded South Georgia when Bush was president. Really what the hell do they expect Obama to realistically?

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HappyWarrior  Oct 12, 2015 • 7:44:28pm

NR is stuck in a Cold War mindset.

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teleskiguy  Oct 12, 2015 • 7:44:41pm

@deray and @Snowden had a little back and forth. Deray chalked it up to “just asking questions.” My response:

Tweets can be finicky with the whole 140 character thing.

:-P

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jaunte  Oct 12, 2015 • 7:45:37pm

re: #94 Viscous Obama

NR still pining for the days of Vietnamization.

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SteveMcGaziBolaGate  Oct 12, 2015 • 7:47:44pm

re: #97 teleskiguy

Can be silly to (EDIT) ask questions. Makes some people very defensive.

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palomino  Oct 12, 2015 • 7:48:52pm

re: #94 Viscous Obama

For your consideration

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And how did that arming of Afghani “freedom fighters” eventually turn out?

I think part of the answer is we fucked the Soviets AND inadvertently helped create the Taliban. Was that really worth it?

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Blind Frog Belly White  Oct 12, 2015 • 7:48:57pm

re: #98 jaunte

NR still pining for the days of before Vietnamization.

ETA I think this a bit more likely, given their view that committing troops = Leadership!

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SteveMcGaziBolaGate  Oct 12, 2015 • 7:50:09pm

re: #100 palomino

Yes. The machinery was in place to limit the Taliban’s danger, but a certain President didn’t get it.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 12, 2015 • 7:50:47pm

re: #100 palomino

And how did that arming of Afghani “freedom fighters” eventually turn out?

I think part of the answer is we fucked the Soviets AND inadvertently helped create the Taliban. Was that really worth it?

That is exactly why caution is needed on the Syria situation but of course NR doesn’t care about that because like most conservatives, they never think about the long term ramifications.

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Belafon  Oct 12, 2015 • 7:56:02pm

re: #94 Viscous Obama

I think the sentence before the highlight is the real issue. I doubt he views Syria that way. What I think Obama believes is that while we don’t want ISIS in charge of a country with the weapons that Syria or Iraq has, we don’t want to be permanently involved in it.

Hell, the moment he called for troops, NRO and the GOP would be against it.

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Great White Snark  Oct 12, 2015 • 7:56:50pm

re: #20 HappyWarrior

I think Trump has one small saving grace and that he’s not a religious fanatic.

He is a religious fanatic. He is a fanatic for The Church Of Me, Myself and I.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 12, 2015 • 7:57:53pm

re: #104 Belafon

I think the sentence before the highlight is the real issue. I doubt he views Syria that way. What I think Obama believes is that while we don’t want ISIS in charge of a country with the weapons that Syria or Iraq has, we don’t want to be permanently involved in it.

Hell, the moment he called for troops, NRO and the GOP would be against it.

Whatever he calls for, NRO will be against it.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 12, 2015 • 8:00:44pm

Obama talks about doing action. Obama gets accused of being Bush’s third and fourth term. He urges a cautious approach and he’z ZOMG JIMMY CARTER 2!

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Lidane  Oct 12, 2015 • 8:04:48pm

Speaking of the End Times:

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HappyWarrior  Oct 12, 2015 • 8:06:17pm

re: #108 Lidane

Speaking of the End Times:

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Now you can truly read it for the articles.

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The War TARDIS  Oct 12, 2015 • 8:07:39pm

re: #108 Lidane

If the Cubs win…… oh man.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Oct 12, 2015 • 8:11:16pm

re: #102 SteveMcGaziBolaGate

Yes. The machinery was in place to limit the Taliban’s danger, but A certain President didn’t get it.

I’ve been reading Malala’s autobiography. She and her co-writer paint a pretty clear picture of the consequences of America’s dealings with Pakistan and the action/inaction of the Pakistani government during that time.

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palomino  Oct 12, 2015 • 8:11:29pm

re: #108 Lidane

Then what’s the point of continuing publication of the magazine? It will just be an inferior alternative to GQ and Esquire and the other “men’s magazines.”

But he’s right. The internet killed old school porn. Just like video killed the radio star 30 years ago.

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Charles Johnson  Oct 12, 2015 • 8:12:46pm
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The War TARDIS  Oct 12, 2015 • 8:13:42pm

I would like to hear who people want for the next Doctor.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Oct 12, 2015 • 8:14:57pm

re: #108 Lidane

Speaking of the End Times:

Maybe they’re trying to enter the Chinese market. I’m not kidding. Playboy, Penthouse and the other nudie mags are verboten here, but you can find FHM-style mags in the shops.

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goddamnedfrank  Oct 12, 2015 • 8:14:58pm

re: #114 The War TARDIS

I would like to hear who people want for the next Doctor.

Chiwetel Ejiofor

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teleskiguy  Oct 12, 2015 • 8:15:08pm

re: #113 Charles Johnson

You have some eclectic moods.

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The War TARDIS  Oct 12, 2015 • 8:18:01pm

re: #116 goddamnedfrank

Hailey Atwell. Though, that sounds good too.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Oct 12, 2015 • 8:19:17pm

re: #117 teleskiguy

BTW, my friend Belle and her other friends said the old photo (At the Telephone) you shared is a spitting image of Belle now. So, it wasn’t just me who found the resemblance.

Now I’m waiting for her to find a period dress and a candlestick phone to recreate the shot.

Speaking of recreating old pictures, here’s my grand-niece, the new Marine.

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teleskiguy  Oct 12, 2015 • 8:24:57pm

Why use Twitter with its paltry 140 character limit when you can use LGF which has a whopping 16,384 character limit.

Just sayin’.

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Reality Based Steve  Oct 12, 2015 • 8:26:21pm

re: #119 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

BTW, my friend Belle and her other friends said the old photo (At the Telephone) you shared is a spitting image of Belle now. So, it wasn’t just me who found the resemblance.

Now I’m waiting for her to find a period dress and a candlestick phone to recreate the shot.

Speaking of recreating old pictures, here’s my grand-niece, the new Marine.

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Yes We Can!

RBS

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Stanley Sea Toujours  Oct 12, 2015 • 8:27:22pm

re: #108 Lidane

Speaking of the End Times:

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Hugh must have made the hospice appt.

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SteveMcGaziBolaGate  Oct 12, 2015 • 8:28:24pm

re: #120 teleskiguy

Why use Twitter with its paltry 140 character limit when you can use LGF which has a whopping 16,384 character limit.

Just sayin’.

I remember way back when the limit was only 3500 or so

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Stanley Sea Toujours  Oct 12, 2015 • 8:29:12pm

re: #119 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

BTW, my friend Belle and her other friends said the old photo (At the Telephone) you shared is a spitting image of Belle now. So, it wasn’t just me who found the resemblance.

Now I’m waiting for her to find a period dress and a candlestick phone to recreate the shot.

Speaking of recreating old pictures, here’s my grand-niece, the new Marine.

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That is a fantastic shot. She is power.

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SteveMcGaziBolaGate  Oct 12, 2015 • 8:33:54pm

Anybody watching this football game?

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Oct 12, 2015 • 8:34:17pm

re: #121 Reality Based Steve

Yes We Can!

RBS

And she did. There were four other young women in her company who graduated as well.

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Dark_Falcon  Oct 12, 2015 • 8:34:53pm

What I think Millenarians miss is that it is not given to humans to know when the End of Days shall be. Only God knows that, as when they were on earth not even Jesus nor Mohammed knew when that would occur.

Ben Carson needs to focus less on the Millennium and more on doing good works for God’s sake in the here and now.

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teleskiguy  Oct 12, 2015 • 8:35:37pm

re: #123 SteveMcGaziBolaGate

I remember way back when the limit was only 3500 or so

I could never notice those things for a while. I’ve been a reader of LGF since about 2004. It was harder in those days to get an account, you just had to be there at the right time to register, which happened in my first semester back in school to complete my B.A. (took 11 years for me to get a B.A., don’t ask :) ) in late 2008. (BTW, lurkers without an account, registration is open always these days)

It’s good we have all those spare characters. We can now add pictures, animations, all the stuff that makes the internet fun and interesting. Like this that I found last night that cracks me the fuck up every time I look at it.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Oct 12, 2015 • 8:38:21pm

re: #124 Stanley Sea Toujours

That is a fantastic shot. She is power.

She’s a great kid. Got interested in JROTC in junior high school, ended up captain of the drill team, which won several prizes while she was in high school.

Her grades are also good, and she could probably get into college with no problem, but joining the Marines became her goal early on. She busted ass to prepare for boot camp, so she could pass the PT test.

I’m really proud of her.

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SteveMcGaziBolaGate  Oct 12, 2015 • 8:38:42pm

re: #128 teleskiguy

“(took 11 years for me to get a B.A., don’t ask :) )” Must have been very distracting.
Started LaSalle University in September 1982, graduated August 2015.

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teleskiguy  Oct 12, 2015 • 8:39:53pm

re: #130 SteveMcGaziBolaGate

Hey, you know it, better than me. And that’s this: Better late than never!

:)

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HappyWarrior  Oct 12, 2015 • 8:41:11pm

re: #125 SteveMcGaziBolaGate

Anybody watching this football game?

Oh yeah. I’m happy as hell right now.

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Feline Fearless Leader  Oct 12, 2015 • 8:41:14pm

re: #125 SteveMcGaziBolaGate

Anybody watching this football game?

Saw the last quarter after coming home from playing cards and fixing a late dinner.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 12, 2015 • 8:42:06pm

re: #130 SteveMcGaziBolaGate

“(took 11 years for me to get a B.A., don’t ask :) )” Must have been very distracting.
Started LaSalle University in September 1982, graduated August 2015.

No shame dude. Doesn’t matter if you’re 22 or 52 when you get your BA, a BA is something to be proud of.

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teleskiguy  Oct 12, 2015 • 8:42:18pm

SteveMcG, while we’re around and stuff, did you see this?

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Reality Based Steve  Oct 12, 2015 • 8:44:48pm

Well gang, I’m off to bed. The store is looking SO much better in terms of storage space, organization, and tracking resources. I did find an 1,100 dollar regulator set stuck in the back area below the display case that wasn’t listed in inventory. I suspect that the owners will not be unhappy with that. (and yes, for about 0.25 seconds I was slightly tempted)

Here’s a positive thought for this evening…

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SteveMcGaziBolaGate  Oct 12, 2015 • 8:46:35pm

re: #135 teleskiguy

Listening now…

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teleskiguy  Oct 12, 2015 • 8:47:19pm

Weather forecast for Colorado is very warm and very dry through next week. I wonder if Loveland Ski Area and Arapahoe Basin are going to make an October opening for skiing. I won a Twitter contest and got free lift tickets for opening day at Arapahoe Basin which was on 17 October last year. They ain’t openin’ on 17 October this year, that’s for sure. It’s been too warm for snowmaking.

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Shiplord Kirel  Oct 12, 2015 • 8:52:05pm

re: #110 The War TARDIS

If the Cubs win…… oh man.

Mass Hysteria

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palomino  Oct 12, 2015 • 8:53:32pm

re: #127 Dark_Falcon

What I think Millenarians miss is that it is not given to humans to know when the End of Days shall be. Only God knows that, as when they were on earth not even Jesus nor Mohammed knew when that would occur.

Ben Carson needs to focus less on the Millennium and more on doing good works for God’s sake in the here and now.

What I think you miss is that Carson is a loon with no business presiding over any non-theocratic nation. Quit trying to soft pedal it. He doesn’t really believe in secular democracy, pluralism, religious freedom, or other basic tenets of our constitutional order.

Furthermore, he’s not a modernist. From evolution to climate change, he rejects the very thing that made him famous: science. These views alone should be enough to disqualify him. Period.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 12, 2015 • 8:55:35pm

re: #127 Dark_Falcon

What I think Millenarians miss is that it is not given to humans to know when the End of Days shall be. Only God knows that, as when they were on earth not even Jesus nor Mohammed knew when that would occur.

Ben Carson needs to focus less on the Millennium and more on doing good works for God’s sake in the here and now.

Good works really isn’t part of his religion’s codes. I don’t know too much about Seventh Day Adventists but if they’re like other evangelical Protestant groups, acknowledging Christ as your savior is more important than good works. And I have to agree with Palomino’s accessment as well.

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Dark_Falcon  Oct 12, 2015 • 8:58:47pm

re: #100 palomino

And how did that arming of Afghani “freedom fighters” eventually turn out?

I think part of the answer is we fucked the Soviets AND inadvertently helped create the Taliban. Was that really worth it?

Yes, it was. Bleeding and demoralizing the Red Army was worth the cost, as it was needed in order to end the Cold War on terms favorable to the US.

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SteveMcGaziBolaGate  Oct 12, 2015 • 8:59:20pm

re: #135 teleskiguy

SteveMcG, while we’re around and stuff, did you see this?

I made it to the 2:37 mark. I tried, I really did. Is there anything as forced as right wing “humor”? Even the laugh breaks are awkward. There is no abandon like you see with a regular comic getting his audience to release. It’s like a courtesy 3-5 second chuckle each time.
OK, I’ll try some more. All right I made it another 10 seconds BUT THAT’S IT. This guy could just as easily be mocking politicians on all sides but he’s so obsessed with Clinton and Pelosi, and so is his audience. He seems to think that “Clinton” and “Pelosi” are automatic laugh lines, and the audience obliges. It really is painful. I’m actually embarrassed for all of them.
When I first saw the still of the video last night I just assumed it was a music video.

Next time please post a Roxette compilation?

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HappyWarrior  Oct 12, 2015 • 8:59:53pm

re: #143 Dark_Falcon

Yes, it was. Bleeding and demoralizing the Red Army was worth the cost, as it was needed in order to end the Cold War on terms favorable to the US.

And creating the Taliban and helping create Bin Laden the folk hero?

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HappyWarrior  Oct 12, 2015 • 9:01:33pm

Man so pumped up. Sorry to any Chargers fans here but man I needed that after last Thursday.

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teleskiguy  Oct 12, 2015 • 9:01:48pm

re: #144 SteveMcGaziBolaGate

Hmm. Interesting. Jello Biafra is not a stand-up comic. And he’s certainly not right-wing.

Interesting reaction, SteveMcG. Thanks for at least listening to some of it.

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Dark_Falcon  Oct 12, 2015 • 9:02:36pm

re: #145 HappyWarrior

And creating the Taliban and helping create Bin Laden the folk hero?

That wasn’t inevitable, nor was that Reagan’s fault. He left office as the Red Army left Afghanistan and it was the decision of George Bush the Elder to disengage from that nation.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Oct 12, 2015 • 9:03:04pm

re: #143 Dark_Falcon

Yes, it was. Bleeding and demoralizing the Red Army was worth the cost, as it was needed in order to end the Cold War on terms favorable to the US.

While really screwing up the lives of the ordinary people caught in the middle, a situation that still continues today.

As it was, the Afghanis were doing a pretty good job on their own in exacting heavy losses from the Soviet military. Our arming them may have just sped up the process. The Soviet attempt to make Afghanistan a client state was not going over well with the people at all.

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SteveMcGaziBolaGate  Oct 12, 2015 • 9:03:14pm

re: #145 HappyWarrior

And creating the Taliban and helping create Bin Laden the folk hero?

That was a side effect. No strategy is ideal. The Taliban did a lot more damage to the Soviets than they did to us. We are the ones who threw away our values. The Taliban didn’t take them from us.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 12, 2015 • 9:03:59pm

re: #148 Dark_Falcon

That wasn’t inevitable, nor was that Reagan’s fault. He left office as the Red Army left Afghanistan and it was the decision of George Bush the Elder to disengage from that nation.

Whatever you say. The fact of the matter is we did help create the Taliban and make Bin Laden into a folk hero with our actions. Again, I think you again think too much about the short term implications and not enough about the long term. That’s really fucked us over, i.e. the coup in Iran in the early 50’s.

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teleskiguy  Oct 12, 2015 • 9:04:04pm

Here’s my favorite spoken word by Jello Biafra. It’s called “Grow More Pot!”

Jello Biafra—Grow More Pot

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HappyWarrior  Oct 12, 2015 • 9:05:05pm

re: #150 SteveMcGaziBolaGate

That was a side effect. No strategy is ideal. The Taliban did a lot more damage to the Soviets than they did to us. We are the ones who threw away our values. The Taliban didn’t take them from us.

Well what about Bin Laden. Part of Bin Laden’s appeal following the Afghan invasion was that he was seen as a folk hero in many Arab communities. Now I will grant that Bin Laden used his family fortune heavily in that case.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 12, 2015 • 9:05:44pm

re: #149 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

While really screwing up the lives of the ordinary people caught in the middle, a situation that still continues today.

As it was, the Afghanis were doing a pretty good job on their own in exacting heavy losses from the Soviet military. Our arming them may have just sped up the process. The Soviet attempt to make Afghanistan a client state was not going over well with the people at all.

Right.

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SteveMcGaziBolaGate  Oct 12, 2015 • 9:06:46pm

re: #147 teleskiguy

I don’t know his other work, I really can only go by what I heard. I saw on the Google that he was with the Dead Kennedys (whom I’ve heard of but know know anything about) and is a spoken word artist. It sounded like a stand up routine I guess.

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Stanley Sea Toujours  Oct 12, 2015 • 9:06:50pm

re: #143 Dark_Falcon

Yes, it was. Bleeding and demoralizing the Red Army was worth the cost, as it was needed in order to end the Cold War on terms favorable to the US.

No.

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teleskiguy  Oct 12, 2015 • 9:07:47pm

re: #155 SteveMcGaziBolaGate

Jello Biafra is a hardcore leftist, borderline socialist.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 12, 2015 • 9:08:21pm

re: #157 teleskiguy

Jello Biafra is a hardcore leftist, borderline socialist.

Big time Nader backer in 2000 and a Kucinich guy in 2004. Definitely not right wing at all.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Oct 12, 2015 • 9:08:36pm

re: #151 HappyWarrior

Whatever you say. The fact of the matter is we did help create the Taliban and make Bin Laden into a folk hero with our actions. Again, I think you again think too much about the short term implications and not enough about the long term. That’s really fucked us over, i.e. the coup in Iran in the early 50’s.

That’s been a feature of American foreign policy for decades, that failure to consider the long-term consequences of arming one side and enabling it to gain or remain in control of their country as a dictatorship. Eventually, those dictators get deposed and their successors tend to look very unkindly toward the USA.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 12, 2015 • 9:08:55pm

Far as punk goes, I’ve always been more of a Pogues and Clash guy.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 12, 2015 • 9:09:59pm

re: #159 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

That’s been a feature of American foreign policy for decades, that failure to consider the long-term consequences of arming one side and enabling it to gain or remain in control of their country as a dictatorship. Eventually, those dictators get deposed and their successors tend to look very unkindly toward the USA.

Precisely. Honestly, and I know this will sound controversial but we’re really fortunate that more countries aren’t hostile to us because of those types of actions.

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palomino  Oct 12, 2015 • 9:10:49pm

re: #143 Dark_Falcon

Yes, it was. Bleeding and demoralizing the Red Army was worth the cost, as it was needed in order to end the Cold War on terms favorable to the US.

Now you’re just reading straight from the Ronald Reagan coloring book.

Again, our meddling helped create the Taliban, which eventually led to the US fighting the same unsuccessful shitty Afghan War, against the same enemy that the USSR did 30 years ago. (I’m sure the Russians have had a hell of a laugh at our expense over the last 14 years. “Can you believe the Americans are now making the same mistake we did in the 1980s. Do the Americans ever learn from anything?”) And you still think it was all worth it. For fuck’s sake, you could justify anything.

It’s as if you can’t give credit to anyone else for helping to end the Cold War. Or see any other causes for why the USSR collapsed. To you, it’s all a simple straight line from point A to point B. I think you’re probably too smart to really think geopolitics are that simple. But, as usual, your partisanship blinds you to the fact that life is filled with ambiguities and “unknown unknowns” (in the words of one of your heroes).

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Dark_Falcon  Oct 12, 2015 • 9:11:48pm

re: #153 HappyWarrior

Well what about Bin Laden. Part of Bin Laden’s appeal following the Afghan invasion was that he was seen as a folk hero in many Arab communities. Now I will grant that Bin Laden used his family fortune heavily in that case.

That really isn’t on us. The CIA wasn’t Osama bin Laden’s major source of funding. It was donations from Saudis and others from the Gulf states that funded bin Laden’s group. We cooperated at times, yes, but Osama bin Laden was never the CIA’s creature and he would have gone to Afghanistan even if we’d never gotten involved there.

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SteveMcGaziBolaGate  Oct 12, 2015 • 9:13:18pm

re: #151 HappyWarrior

Don’t knock the short term. That coup held up for about 25 years. Somebody down the road has to do their part too. Take the Taliban, for example. The Clinton Administration had a policy directed at them and Al Qeada, but the W. administration had no interest. As far as Syria, there aren’t really any long term options. If you support the Kurds, your NATO ally (Turkey) is going to be pissed. Moderate rebels aren’t in position to overthrow Assad, and certainly in no position to build a stable government even if they succeeded.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Oct 12, 2015 • 9:14:49pm

re: #163 Dark_Falcon

That really isn’t on us. The CIA wasn’t Osama bin Laden’s major source of funding. It was donations from Saudis and others from the Gulf states that funded bin Laden’s group. We cooperated at times, yes, but Osama bin Laden was never the CIA’s creature and he would have gone to Afghanistan even if we’d never gotten involved there.

The Saudis tend to fund movements sympathetic to the wahhabi’s ultra-conservatism. I gather that within the Muslim word, Saudi foreign aid always comes with some strings attached.

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SteveMcGaziBolaGate  Oct 12, 2015 • 9:15:11pm

re: #157 teleskiguy

I’ll keep it in mind. The part I heard seemed right wing style, but I guess it could also be seen as that of a dissatisfied left winger too. I guess my sample size was too small.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Oct 12, 2015 • 9:15:27pm

re: #120 teleskiguy

Why use Twitter with its paltry 140 character limit when you can use LGF which has a whopping 16,384 character limit.

Just sayin’.

Because on Twitter, there be politicians. And on Twitter, you can be a dick to them. ;)

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Dark_Falcon  Oct 12, 2015 • 9:15:35pm

It’s worth remembering that the Taliban as such did not exist in the 1980’s and were for the most part a 1990’s creation of Pakistan’s ISI, which played a leading role in assembling the Taliban in order to advance the cause of Radical Islamism and to place a Pakistani client regime in power in Kabul.

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teleskiguy  Oct 12, 2015 • 9:15:51pm

re: #160 HappyWarrior

Far as punk goes, I’ve always been more of a Pogues and Clash guy.

I loved the hardcore shit when I was young. Minor Threat, Dead Kennedys, The Exploited, Black Flag. I didn’t get into the more melodic punk until I first heard Sublime. Then I heard some Bad Religion, NOFX, Pennywise, The Offspring. It wasn’t until I got to college that my punk tastes got really weird, The Minutemen (I adore The Minutemen, they’re one of my favorite bands), Husker Du, even Television and Talking Heads (which is more new-wave but still there’s some punk undertones in the songwriting).

IMHO, one of the greatest rock EPs ever made is NOFX’s “The Decline,” an 18-minute punk rock opus.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 12, 2015 • 9:15:55pm

re: #163 Dark_Falcon

That really isn’t on us. The CIA wasn’t Osama bin Laden’s major source of funding. It was donations from Saudis and others from the Gulf states that funded bin Laden’s group. We cooperated at times, yes, but Osama bin Laden was never the CIA’s creature and he would have gone to Afghanistan even if we’d never gotten involved there.

Again though, I am saying that we contributed, I did not say we were the sole creator of Bin Laden and the Taliban but we certainly did give them more credibility by funding them than if we had not. Again, I think you too often look at only the short term goal (weakening the Soviets) and not the long term (a Fundamentalist Islamic dictatorship that hated us and would end up sponsoring the worst attack on American soil). It’s frankly your way of thinking that had us overthrow Mossadaq in Iran and created a whole generation of Iranians who hated our government.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 12, 2015 • 9:18:04pm

re: #164 SteveMcGaziBolaGate

Don’t knock the short term. That coup held up for about 25 years. Somebody down the road has to do their part too. Take the Taliban, for example. The Clinton Administration had a policy directed at them and Al Qeada, but the W. administration had no interest. As far as Syria, there aren’t really any long term options. If you support the Kurds, your NATO ally (Turkey) is going to be pissed. Moderate rebels aren’t in position to overthrow Assad, and certainly in no position to build a stable government even if they succeeded.

Well I do thikn those making the short term policy do need to think about the long term implications. Take Iran for example, those who pushed and got the coup did not think about how it would create a whole generation of Iranians that would mistrust the U.S government. I agree that more could have been done after the fact but I do think a lot of our FP missteps have been made not looking at the long game. AGree to disagree though.

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SteveMcGaziBolaGate  Oct 12, 2015 • 9:18:26pm

re: #168 Dark_Falcon

It’s worth remembering that the Taliban as such did not exist in the 1980’s and were for the most part a 1990’s creation of Pakistan’s ISI, which played a leading role in assembling the Taliban in order to advance the cause of Radical Islamism and to place a Pakistani client regime in power in Kabul.

The Taliban was a direct descendant of the Mujaheddin. In a non-state like Afghanistan, anybody with some measure of power can step in and rule until the next armed mob comes along.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 12, 2015 • 9:18:44pm

re: #169 teleskiguy

I loved the hardcore shit when I was young. Minor Threat, Dead Kennedys, The Exploited, Black Flag. I didn’t get into the more melodic punk until I first heard Sublime. Then I heard some Bad Religion, NOFX, Pennywise, The Offspring. It wasn’t until I got to college that my punk tastes got really weird, The Minutemen (I adore The Minutemen, they’re one of my favorite bands), Husker Du, even Television and Talking Heads (which is more new-wave but still there’s some punk undertones in the songwriting).

IMHO, one of the greatest rock EPs ever made is NOFX’s “The Decline,” an 18-minute punk rock opus.

I never really got in to the hardcore stuff.

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teleskiguy  Oct 12, 2015 • 9:19:49pm

re: #173 HappyWarrior

I never really got in to the hardcore stuff.

What? Too loud?!? Too in your face!?!? That shit was punk, yo!

/

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teleskiguy  Oct 12, 2015 • 9:20:31pm
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Amory Blaine  Oct 12, 2015 • 9:20:32pm

Soviets were godless, Putin uses the church like a club. Something religious extremists can get behind.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 12, 2015 • 9:20:34pm

re: #174 teleskiguy

What? Too loud?!? Too in your face!?!? That shit was punk, yo!

/

I dunno. Maybe I am too preppy haha. I never really had a teen angst period though.

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Amory Blaine  Oct 12, 2015 • 9:21:36pm
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SteveMcGaziBolaGate  Oct 12, 2015 • 9:21:45pm

re: #171 HappyWarrior

I would add that the Iranians already mistrusted us at the time. We NEEDED that oil back then. Even today, even though we don’t use much from the Middle East, the people who make the stuff we buy do.

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SteveMcGaziBolaGate  Oct 12, 2015 • 9:23:10pm

My exposure to punk was the mainstream stuff by people who turned out to be posers, like Elvis Costello, the Ramones, Blondie and the Talking Heads, so I never really experienced it like other people.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 12, 2015 • 9:23:48pm

re: #179 SteveMcGaziBolaGate

I would add that the Iranians already mistrusted us at the time. We NEEDED that oil back then. Even today, even though we don’t use much from the Middle East, the people who make the stuff we buy do.

Fair enough. Anyhow gonna call it a night.

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Dark_Falcon  Oct 12, 2015 • 9:26:06pm

re: #170 HappyWarrior

Again though, I am saying that we contributed, I did not say we were the sole creator of Bin Laden and the Taliban but we certainly did give them more credibility by funding them than if we had not. Again, I think you too often look at only the short term goal (weakening the Soviets) and not the long term (a Fundamentalist Islamic dictatorship that hated us and would end up sponsoring the worst attack on American soil). It’s frankly your way of thinking that had us overthrow Mossadaq in Iran and created a whole generation of Iranians who hated our government.

Again, the Taliban takeover was not something that was inevitable in the 1980s and we were not the primary outside driver of that doleful event; Pakistan was.

To respond a bit to what Palomino said: You can’t let the unknown unknowns paralyze you. You want to disaster proof your operations as much as is practicable, but if you don’t take risks you can’t possibly win.

Heck, President Obama is taking a notable risk having Syrian Arab groups allied to the Kurdish YPG (and the YPG itself) resupplied by air.

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Shiplord Kirel  Oct 12, 2015 • 9:33:08pm
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palomino  Oct 12, 2015 • 9:33:28pm

re: #182 Dark_Falcon

Again, the Taliban takeover was not something that was inevitable in the 1980s and we were not the primary outside driver of that doleful event; Pakistan was.

To respond a bit to what Palomino said: You can’t let the unknown unknowns paralyze you. You want to disaster proof your operations as much as is practicable, but if you don’t take risks you can’t possibly win.

Heck, President Obama is taking a notable risk having Syrian Arab groups allied to the Kurdish YPG (and the YPG itself) resupplied by air.

You’re asking the wrong questions. Our “victories” in Afghanistan and Iraq suggest that you should be asking different questions, like “Win what? And at what cost?”

It sucks, but American power and resources have limits.

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teleskiguy  Oct 12, 2015 • 9:34:25pm

re: #183 Shiplord Kirel

UpDing for the little visual you included.

:)

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GlutenFreeJesus  Oct 12, 2015 • 9:38:11pm

I am going to say this about Syria. And I know it may be an unpopular position, but considering what we did to Iraq….

Assad in charge in Syria would sure beat the alternative. More of what we are seeing now, just a lot worse.

I bet Iraq wishes they had the relative stability they had when Saddam was in charge. Better we deal with an asshole we know, then a whole lot of bigger assholes we don’t.

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Amory Blaine  Oct 12, 2015 • 9:42:41pm

Why the Earth’s past has scientists so worried about the Atlantic Ocean’s circulation

In the last month, there’s been much attention to a cool patch in the North Atlantic Ocean, where record cold temperatures over the past eight months present a stark contrast to a globe that is experiencing record warmth. And although there is certainly no consensus on the matter yet, some scientists think this pattern may be a sign of long-feared consequences of climate change — a slowing of North Atlantic ocean circulation, due to a freshening of surface waters.

The cause, goes the thinking, would be the rapidly melting Greenland ice sheet, whose large freshwater flows may weaken ocean “overturning” by reducing the density of cold surface waters (colder, salty water is denser). If cold, salty waters don’t sink in the North Atlantic and flow back southward toward Antarctica at depth, then warm surface waters won’t flow northward to take their place. The result could be a significant change to northern hemisphere climate, as less ocean-borne heat reaches higher latitudes.

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Dark_Falcon  Oct 12, 2015 • 9:43:24pm

re: #186 GlutenFreeJesus

I’m going to respond to your post with an article I read earlier today:

Donald Trump Can’t Get the Middle East Right

Chaos may follow the removal of the likes of Saddam Hussein, Moammar Qaddafi and Bashar al-Assad, but they are not forces for stability in the Middle East and never have been. You want a force for stability? Try the king of Morocco. He’s a force for stability. So is the sultan of Oman. Oman is so stable that most people don’t even know where it is. (It’s on the Arabian Peninsula next to Yemen.) King Abdullah of Jordan is also a force for stability.

None of these guys were elected, but we’d be out of our minds to want them removed.

But Bashar al-Assad, like Saddam Hussein and Moammar Qaddafi, is a state sponsor of terrorism. All three brutally subjugated their citizens and poisoned the minds of the survivors with a vicious anti-Western ideology.

The day we decide that hostile state sponsors of terrorism are reliable firewalls against terrorists is the day we give up.

Bolding mine.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Oct 12, 2015 • 9:49:38pm

^^^ Yeah. BS. Let’s just get involved in every other country’s affairs. That’s worked out so well for us.

And what about our less-than-honorable history? Iran. South America. Iraq. Vietnam. Etc.

Should a bunch of nations get their military forces together to go all “regime change” on our asses for being sponsors of terrorists too?

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goddamnedfrank  Oct 12, 2015 • 9:52:22pm

re: #184 palomino

You’re asking the wrong questions. Our “victories” in Afghanistan and Iraq suggest that you should be asking different questions, like “Win what? And at what cost?”

It sucks, but American power and resources have limits.

In my lifetime Republican administrations have been famously averse to using basic cost benefit analyses to guide decision making, which is ironic given the pretense towards fiscal conservatism. Instead they just know what they like and that is spending money on war. Conversely they hate spending money on peace. After securing the Soviet defeat in Afghanistan in the 1980’s Charlie Wilson begged the Reagan Administration for a small fraction of what we’d spent on arms shipment to go towards building schools and infrastructure. Instead as a nation we wiped our hands of the whole mess and watched from the sidelines as the Afghan government destabilized into anarchy and the Taliban predictably rose to power.

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Amory Blaine  Oct 12, 2015 • 9:53:30pm
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William Lewis  Oct 12, 2015 • 10:03:31pm

not sure what’s going on tonight, but any attempt at using the dinger buttons dumps me out to the front page. This post is an experiment to see if that much works. Or not.

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William Lewis  Oct 12, 2015 • 10:05:04pm

Ok, posted but still dumped me out.

Reply and Quote do nothing.

Have reloaded the page a number of times. Am going to log out next and then try again.

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William Lewis  Oct 12, 2015 • 10:08:16pm

Interesting. Log out buttons won’t work either.

How odd. Oh well, no dinging for me and no quoting of anyone either.

Chrome 45.0.2454.101
Ubuntu 12.04

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Amory Blaine  Oct 12, 2015 • 10:13:48pm

Hmm try a system restart?

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Oct 12, 2015 • 10:14:50pm

re: #75 SteveMcGaziBolaGate

I googled “going emeritus” and the first link reads: “On being ripped off, part II”

I first learned it from Jack Vance’s The Languages of Pao from 1958.

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freetoken  Oct 12, 2015 • 10:15:12pm

re: #194 William Lewis

I’m also using Chrome 45.0.2454.101 and LGF seems to be working fine for me.

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freetoken  Oct 12, 2015 • 10:16:12pm

re: #196 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

Science Fiction has given us many useful concepts.

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William Lewis  Oct 12, 2015 • 10:22:04pm

Just did a hard restart of the process (kill via task manager) and nothing has changed. Reboot of the system is next. Back in a bit…

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teleskiguy  Oct 12, 2015 • 10:25:49pm

The Republican Party’s Official 2016 Election Anthem.

Youtube Video

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William Lewis  Oct 12, 2015 • 10:31:56pm

No change. :(

Teleskiguy, I remember listening to a bunch of jocks singing that song and meaning it once upon a time. No idea of the levels of insanity that implied. About the only thing I could imagine worse would be if some yahoo too the Ramones “Beat on the Brat” literally…

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teleskiguy  Oct 12, 2015 • 10:41:42pm
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teleskiguy  Oct 12, 2015 • 10:43:53pm

Huh. LGF just posts an “External Image” in my #200 which is a YouTube link to some Dead Kennedys. But sleepy Aphex Twin music in my #202 shows up intact.

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freetoken  Oct 12, 2015 • 10:49:43pm

re: #203 teleskiguy

U copied the URL of the image instead of the URL of what you wanted, which I take it was a Youtube vid.

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freetoken  Oct 12, 2015 • 10:51:54pm

The question on everyone’s mind:

Why Are Car Air Fresheners Shaped Like Trees?

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teleskiguy  Oct 12, 2015 • 10:52:09pm

re: #204 freetoken

This is what I put in the comment field.

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freetoken  Oct 12, 2015 • 10:55:31pm

re: #206 teleskiguy

The hamster trained on the Youtube wheel must have ate the link instead of inserting the embed code, and excreted the img associated with the youtube link.

Hamsters have their limits.

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William Lewis  Oct 12, 2015 • 10:59:04pm

Well, let’s see if the hamsters like my youtube link any better…

The Offspring “Self Esteem” Guitar Center Sessions on DIRECTV

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freetoken  Oct 12, 2015 • 11:03:30pm

We now take a break from our regularly scheduled program…

MP3 Audio

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teleskiguy  Oct 12, 2015 • 11:06:11pm
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Romantic Heretic  Oct 13, 2015 • 12:10:23am

re: #190 goddamnedfrank

Every time I read about American military endeavours I can’t help but think about Sun Tzu. Chapters 2 and 3 always seem the most pertinent to me.

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William Lewis  Oct 13, 2015 • 12:14:48am

Hmm. The new comments counter just worked. Testing ….

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William Lewis  Oct 13, 2015 • 12:15:51am

Hoot. Not kicked out to the front page.

Charles, did you change something or is it just one of those weird moments here at my end? Thanks for all you do, either way.

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William Lewis  Oct 13, 2015 • 12:41:21am

Doing a bunch of Youtube surfing tonight. Don’t know if anyone will see this but if you do, just watch how our President gets into these songs…

Tribute to Led Zeppelin (Foo Fighters - Kid Rock - L.Kravitz - A.& N.Wilson Feat.Jason Bonham)

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William Lewis  Oct 13, 2015 • 12:51:11am

Ah, SteelPH. My usual silent updinger. Don’t know why you like my stuff, still it’s awfully nice sometimes when you do. Thank you, very much. Pity you don’t live in northern Wisconsin, I owe you a few brews.

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BadExampleMan  Oct 13, 2015 • 12:59:12am

re: #12 The Vicious Babushka

I don’t like that expression, it’s obsolete. For one thing “animal control officer” requires skills, and it’s not an elected office that only the most unqualified could attain.

Agreed. You’re thinking of “Senator”.

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William Lewis  Oct 13, 2015 • 1:20:15am

re: #216 BadExampleMan

Agreed. You’re thinking of “Senator”.

Now, now, you’re giving Mr. Johnson far too much credit.

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Pip's Squeak  Oct 13, 2015 • 2:05:56am

re: #209 freetoken

What is this? The first half made me think of a fantasy that contemporary electrified Javanese gamelan cum crooning might be, while the second half sounded ‘Slavic’,

I’m confused.

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goddamnedfrank  Oct 13, 2015 • 2:58:21am

re: #215 William Lewis

Ah, SteelPH. My usual silent updinger. Don’t know why you like my stuff, still it’s awfully nice sometimes when you do. Thank you, very much. Pity you don’t live in northern Wisconsin, I owe you a few brews.

Charles should code an “upding all” button just for SteelPH.

/not complaining.

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freetoken  Oct 13, 2015 • 3:35:12am

re: #218 Pip’s Squeak

Song title translates as “Misty meadow morning”. It’s an old recording, over 40 years.

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freetoken  Oct 13, 2015 • 3:36:05am

Make that 52 years.

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freetoken  Oct 13, 2015 • 3:41:41am

Sorry, wrong song title. I posted “照る照る坊主” ( てるてるぼうず ), the song title translates as “sunshine paper doll” but that doesn’t convey the meaning. A てるてるぼうず is a kind of paper doll hung in windows as plea for good weather.

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freetoken  Oct 13, 2015 • 3:45:00am

I think it would make a good background tune for a mash-up of Trump images animated in an anime style.

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Barefoot Grin  Oct 13, 2015 • 3:45:45am

re: #222 freetoken

Sorry, wrong song title. I posted “照る照る坊主” ( てるてるぼうず ), the song title translates as “sunshine paper doll” but that doesn’t convey the meaning. A てるてるぼうず is a kind of paper doll hung in windows as plea for good weather.

That was cool. teru teru bozu is the transliteration. (For example, the night before a field trip kids might make these in hopes of clear weather.)

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Pip's Squeak  Oct 13, 2015 • 4:00:18am

re: #220 freetoken

Thank you.

Usually I’m no great fan of popular music, but this is an exception. Or is it indeed popular Japanese song? That is, what genre do the Japanese deem this to be?

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Dr. Matt  Oct 13, 2015 • 4:27:20am

The NRA’s moar gunz theory continues to be a failure

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Lancelot Link  Oct 13, 2015 • 4:30:23am

Just because…
Long me-dan bau

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Dr. Matt  Oct 13, 2015 • 4:31:38am
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Eventual Carrion  Oct 13, 2015 • 4:56:07am

re: #205 freetoken

The question on everyone’s mind:

Why Are Car Air Fresheners Shaped Like Trees?

Not me, the question that runs me in circles is, “How do they get the deer to cross the roads where they put the signs?”.

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freetoken  Oct 13, 2015 • 5:02:42am

re: #225 Pip’s Squeak

It’s an interpretation of Japanese music by a long-gone pop/easy-listening American guy and his band.

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freetoken  Oct 13, 2015 • 5:11:59am

Threatening dolls with decapitation to change the weather works all the time.

It’s at least as effective as what they do down in Texas.

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Dark_Falcon  Oct 13, 2015 • 5:18:58am

re: #215 William Lewis

Ah, SteelPH. My usual silent updinger. Don’t know why you like my stuff, still it’s awfully nice sometimes when you do. Thank you, very much. Pity you don’t live in northern Wisconsin, I owe you a few brews.

If he thinks I’m wrong about Osama bin Laden, I’d like to hear him say why instead of just downdinging.

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Targetpractice  Oct 13, 2015 • 5:20:23am

I see CNN is really, really hopeful that Biden is gonna make a last-minute announcement and show up at the debate tonight. I guess that, as Fox-Lite, they have to keep stoking the hopes of wingnuts that somebody they consider “beatable” is gonna jump in the ring and suck up all of Hillary’s voters.

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Dark_Falcon  Oct 13, 2015 • 5:29:04am

re: #234 Targetpractice

I see CNN is really, really hopeful that Biden is gonna make a last-minute announcement and show up at the debate tonight. I guess that, as Fox-Lite, they have to keep stoking the hopes of wingnuts that somebody they consider “beatable” is gonna jump in the ring and suck up all of Hillary’s voters.

The audience for a Democratic debate isn’t wingnuts, TP. It’s intended for Democrats, and the reason CNN wants Biden is because he makes for interesting TV, especially in debates. In that setting Biden’s goofball mask falls away and he tears into his opposition with a ferocity that is shocking to those who haven’t seen it before.

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Barefoot Grin  Oct 13, 2015 • 5:29:06am

re: #231 freetoken

I had forgotten about Miku Hatsune. A student interested in Japanese culture introduced me to this vocaloid stuff a couple of years ago, but through a creepy video (I think it was called “Contamination”) about the victim/victimizer connection in bullying.

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SteelPH  Oct 13, 2015 • 5:30:46am

re: #233 Dark_Falcon

He can kiss my ass. As far as I’m concerned he’s a chickenshit stealth dinger, always downdinging after I’ve gone to bed. If he thinks I’m wrong about Osama bin Laden, I’d like to hear him say why instead of just downdinging.

I’d rather not be redundant here and say what’s already been said.

I’m sorry I suffer from sleep apnea and have an erratic schedule that keeps me up at night half the time. Thems the breaks, I don’t do it exclusively when you go to bed.

But I will say that I find your lack of empathy… less than pleasing, and inability to admit when the US is at fault baffling.

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SteelPH  Oct 13, 2015 • 5:31:51am

I don’t hate you, Dark. I really don’t. I want to like you, you have a good heart. But your partisan blinders make it harder than it should be.

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Targetpractice  Oct 13, 2015 • 5:32:37am

re: #235 Dark_Falcon

The audience for a Democratic debate isn’t wingnuts, TP. It’s intended for Democrats, and the reason CNN wants Biden is because he makes for interesting TV, especially in debates. In that setting Biden’s goofball mask falls away and he tears into his opposition with a ferocity that is shocking to those who haven’t seen it before.

Dark, I’ve spent weeks now being breathlessly told by wingnuts about how Biden’s gonna jump in any day now and Democrat voters will flock to him as an “alternative” to Hillary, with the unspoken assumption being that he can’t possibly win the presidency and so will mean an easy GOP win next year.

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Dark_Falcon  Oct 13, 2015 • 5:40:22am

re: #237 SteelPH

I’d rather not be redundant here and say what’s already been said.

I’m sorry I suffer from sleep apnea and have an erratic schedule that keeps me up at night half the time. Thems the breaks, I don’t do it exclusively when you go to bed.

But I will say that I find your lack of empathy… less than pleasing, and inability to admit when the US is at fault baffling.

That I did not know, and you have my sympathy and understanding about the sleep apnea. And I’ve withdrawn the hostile part of my comment so I ask you to withdraw the down ding.

But I still ask how I was wrong, given that bin Laden really wasn’t ‘our guy’.

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Dark_Falcon  Oct 13, 2015 • 5:46:12am

re: #239 Targetpractice

Dark, I’ve spent weeks now being breathlessly told by wingnuts about how Biden’s gonna jump in any day now and Democrat voters will flock to him as an “alternative” to Hillary, with the unspoken assumption being that he can’t possibly win the presidency and so will mean an easy GOP win next year.

I don’t see that as the assumption and in fact I think Biden would have a better chance that HRC would. People like him and relate to him in a way they typically don’t with Hillary Clinton.

And I also think the media want Joe Biden to run because he is more accessible to reporters than Hillary is, as he has a better relationship with the press . It’s true that CNN bears a good bit of the blame for Mrs. Clinton’s semi-hostility towards that network, but its executives and employees, like most humans, are much more ,likely to see the flaws in someone else and not those in their organization.

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goddamnedfrank  Oct 13, 2015 • 5:46:43am

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WhatEVs  Oct 13, 2015 • 5:48:31am

re: #233 Dark_Falcon

He can kiss my ass. As far as I’m concerned he’s a chickenshit stealth dinger, always downdinging after I’ve gone to bed. If he thinks I’m wrong about Osama bin Laden, I’d like to hear him say why instead of just downdinging.

I think there’s an assumption that we’re all here at all times. Personally, I get called into meetings or fall asleep without saying anything. I’m not meaning to be rude, I’m just here then not.

I also read all comments in a thread, sometimes days late (if work is insane) so I up and down-ding days after a comment is made.

It’s not chickenshit, it’s life.

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The Vicious Babushka  Oct 13, 2015 • 5:52:24am

BWAHAHAA Ben fails Bryan’s “purity test”

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Dark_Falcon  Oct 13, 2015 • 5:53:00am

re: #242 goddamnedfrank

Putting Taylor Swift’s name and the name of her most recent album in that gothic font is quite the giveaway.

Even more obvious is the asshole’s deployment of the “cuckservative” smear against Jeb Bush. I’ll report him promptly, then block his Nazi ass.

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Dark_Falcon  Oct 13, 2015 • 5:54:58am

re: #243 WhatEVs

I think there’s an assumption that we’re all here at all times. Personally, I get called into meetings or fall asleep without saying anything. I’m not meaning to be rude, I’m just here then not.

I also read all comments in a thread, sometimes days late (if work is insane) so I up and down-ding days after a comment is made.

It’s not chickenshit, it’s life.

It’s not that, but SteelPH has already explained himself on this matter and I accept that explanation.

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Doofus  Oct 13, 2015 • 5:57:35am

re: #238 SteelPH

I don’t hate you, Dark. I really don’t. I want to like you, you have a good heart. But your partisan blinders make it harder than it should be.
Read more at littlegreenfootballs.com

That comment made my day!!
Thank you!

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goddamnedfrank  Oct 13, 2015 • 5:57:35am

re: #233 Dark_Falcon

He can kiss my ass. As far as I’m concerned he’s a chickenshit stealth dinger, always downdinging after I’ve gone to bed. If he thinks I’m wrong about Osama bin Laden, I’d like to hear him say why instead of just downdinging.

Stop pretending you’re above stealth downdinging. We’ve all done it and we’ve all seen you do it too.

Also, if I had to hazard a guess the ding was for this “That really isn’t on us.” As I pointed out in my #190 Charlie Wilson advocated for a very reasonable and far sighted policy of helping to rebuild Afghanistan after the Soviet withdrawal. In effect we bore significant responsibility for the environment that incubated Bin Laden by refusing to do anything in the aftermath of a conflict we had purposefully lengthened and exacerbated.

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Dark_Falcon  Oct 13, 2015 • 5:58:40am

re: #244 The Vicious Babushka

BWAHAHAA Ben fails Bryan’s “purity test”

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To be fair to Ben Carson, Bryan Fischer just hates him for being black. Fischer is a bigot who would hate Carson no matter what.

I’m not a Ben Carson fan, for reason folks here have articulated well. But Fischer is a hate-filled bigot and as such his attacks on black people deserve naught but scorn and ridicule.

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The Vicious Babushka  Oct 13, 2015 • 6:00:19am

LOL Paul “Fuck The Poors” Ryan got the “Kiss of Death” from POTUS

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HappyWarrior  Oct 13, 2015 • 6:00:56am

re: #244 The Vicious Babushka

BWAHAHAA Ben fails Bryan’s “purity test”

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Too funny. I mean he kinda has a point but the ideological purity is just so funny to watch. If Reagan ran these days, Bry would reject his a movie star Union president former Democrat.

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Doofus  Oct 13, 2015 • 6:02:53am

I prefer stealth updinging, and Dark has been keeping me busy, but I got broad shoulders, I can take it!

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HappyWarrior  Oct 13, 2015 • 6:04:07am

re: #249 Dark_Falcon

To be fair to Ben Carson, Bryan Fischer just hates him for being black. Fischer is a bigot who would hate Carson no matter what.

I’m not a Ben Carson fan, for reason folks here have articulated well. But Fischer is a hate-filled bigot and as such his attacks on black people deserve naught but scorn and ridicule.

Dunno if it’s that simple. I think it’s a fair concern that Carson’s got no real conservative credentials outside saying crazy shit. Of course, this is what happens when elected experience isn’t a virtue. Bryan is a racist I don’t disagree at all there but there is something to be said about Carson’s street cred.

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Doofus  Oct 13, 2015 • 6:05:54am

Kenmore Elite dishwasher, two years old, upper rack wheels break off, $150. Lower warshing arms no longer spin, it’s going in the trash. Don’t buy Kenmore. I’m searching for a nice Bosch dishwarsher.
I miss the days when loading the dishwarsher meant getting the wife drunk.
//

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HappyWarrior  Oct 13, 2015 • 6:06:10am

re: #250 The Vicious Babushka

LOL Paul “Fuck The Poors” Ryan got the “Kiss of Death” from POTUS

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Come on Potus say nice things about Ted Cruz and really explode heads. This is brilliant gamesmanship.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 13, 2015 • 6:10:06am

Fact is when “private sector” experience is constantly touted as superior to “public sector”, you’re gonna have people like Trump, Carson, & Fiorina who have no real credentials outside ideology. In effect, this is what happens when you have Romney looking down on government experience but even Mitt had government careerist Paul Ryan as a running mate.

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WhatEVs  Oct 13, 2015 • 6:10:19am

re: #246 Dark_Falcon

It’s not that, but SteelPH has already explained himself on this matter and I accept that explanation.

Dude, I said personally…to maybe, you know, give you insight into how other people use the Internet. I wasn’t looking for acceptance.

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Eventual Carrion  Oct 13, 2015 • 6:11:02am

re: #254 Doofus

Kenmore Elite dishwasher, two years old, upper rack wheels break off, $150. Lower warshing arms no longer spin, it’s going in the trash. Don’t buy Kenmore. I’m searching for a nice Bosch dishwarsher.
I miss the days when loading the dishwarsher meant getting the wife drunk.
//

If my wife and I were talking to people and the the subject of a dishwasher came up and they asked if we had one, my favorite line was, “Yeah we have 3, we even named them at birth.”. Now we are down to the last one at home. So our last dishwasher will be leaving in the next coupe years. Then we may have to get one with a name we didn’t decide on before delivery :-)

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Dark_Falcon  Oct 13, 2015 • 6:12:39am

re: #253 HappyWarrior

Dunno if it’s that simple. I think it’s a fair concern that Carson’s got no real conservative credentials outside saying crazy shit. Of course, this is what happens when elected experience isn’t a virtue. Bryan is a racist I don’t disagree at all there but there is something to be said about Carson’s street cred.

There’s something to be said, but Fischer’s not the one to say it.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 13, 2015 • 6:14:36am

re: #259 Dark_Falcon

There’s something to be said, but Fischer’s not the one to say it.

Well yeah, I mean this is the guy whose takeaway from the Holocaust is discriminate against gay people but I had to play Asshole’s advocate there.

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lawhawk  Oct 13, 2015 • 6:15:29am

re: #256 HappyWarrior

Fact is when “private sector” experience is constantly touted as superior to “public sector”, you’re gonna have people like Trump, Carson, & Fiorina who have no real credentials outside ideology. In effect, this is what happens when you have Romney looking down on government experience but even Mitt had government careerist Paul Ryan as a running mate.

Except that the “private sector experience” that Trump and Fiorina claim to have include 4 bankruptcies, nearly destroying two titans of the tech industry (HP and Lucent), respectively, offshoring of jobs (Trump through his clothing line made in China and Mexico) and laying off 30,000 jobs in a completely mishandled merger (Fiorina at HP). Oh, and there’s the great business judgment by Fiorina who sought to acquire the tech consulting business from PWC for $14 billion. The Board at HP balked and squashed the deal; IBM bought it for a fraction of that - $4 billion.

Then there’s Carson, who’s never actually run a business but whose best known for being a fine surgeon. There’s little in the way of skill that transfers over from that to politics.

And we’ve seen all three making increasingly batcrap insane statements to not only get relevant, but to push ahead of the pack of GOPers who have political experience but who are also extremists who agree with much of what Trump, Carson, and Fiorina say - but in some instances, they might go even further.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Oct 13, 2015 • 6:19:04am

re: #242 goddamnedfrank

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I am sure Ms Swift would have some concerns about his hijacking of her good name, as well. You might want to alert her. She has lawyers.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 13, 2015 • 6:19:48am

re: #261 lawhawk

Except that the “private sector experience” that Trump and Fiorina claim to have include 4 bankruptcies, nearly destroying two titans of the tech industry (HP and Lucent), respectively, offshoring of jobs (Trump through his clothing line made in China and Mexico) and laying off 30,000 jobs in a completely mishandled merger (Fiorina at HP). Oh, and there’s the great business judgment by Fiorina who sought to acquire the tech consulting business from PWC for $14 billion. The Board at HP balked and squashed the deal; IBM bought it for a fraction of that - $4 billion.

Then there’s Carson, who’s never actually run a business but whose best known for being a fine surgeon. There’s little in the way of skill that transfers over from that to politics.

And we’ve seen all three making increasingly batcrap insane statements to not only get relevant, but to push ahead of the pack of GOPers who have political experience but who are also extremists who agree with much of what Trump, Carson, and Fiorina say - but in some instances, they might go even further.

Right. Their private sector experiences aren’t even that good, reminds me of a Simpsons episode where Homer finds a distant cousin who runs an unsuccessful shrimp company but tries to see the silver lining in that he runs it. And in Carson’s case,right, being successful in one field doesn’t qualify you for another, as I said no one is going to make this history BA the chair of a mathematics department.

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Eventual Carrion  Oct 13, 2015 • 6:32:07am

re: #263 HappyWarrior

Right. Their private sector experiences aren’t even that good, reminds me of a Simpsons episode where Homer finds a distant cousin who runs an unsuccessful shrimp company but tries to see the silver lining in that he runs it. And in Carson’s case,right, being successful in one field doesn’t qualify you for another, as I said no one is going to make this history BA the chair of a mathematics department.

I go through that kind of shit with a guy at work. A while back we were going back and forth about climate change. He was giving me quotes and such from this “doctor”, the doctor had a doctorate of theology. I asked him how that can be relevant. He said, “well he’s a doctor”. So my reply was, “So is a doctor of dental surgery. See, doctor and surgery in the title, but would you let s/he do your open heart surgery?”.

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Varek Raith  Oct 13, 2015 • 6:33:29am

Yall need to stop dinging each other.
This is a family friendly blog!
/

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HappyWarrior  Oct 13, 2015 • 6:36:24am

re: #264 Eventual Carrion

I go through that kind of shit with a guy at work. A while back we were going back and forth about climate change. He was giving me quotes and such from this “doctor”, the doctor had a doctorate of theology. I asked him how that can be relevant. He said, “well he’s a doctor”. So my reply was, “So is a doctor of dental surgery. See, doctor and surgery in the title, but would you let s/he do your open heart surgery?”.

Yeah I just use myself and the math example as a way of being self-depreciating. I am very good at history but math was always a trouble. Can’t believe he was actually trying to push off a doctor of theology as “credible.” I forget but one of the rare scientists who is a climate change denier is in a field that has nothing to do with climateology. I forget the man’s exact field at the moment. I would google but I don’t even know his name.

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Great White Snark  Oct 13, 2015 • 6:38:37am
Interest In ‘Gun Control’ Is Fading, Google Data Shows
As usual, people appear to care in the days following a major shooting — and then they lose interest.

Damon Beres
Tech Editor, The Huffington Post

Interest In ‘Gun Control’ Is Fading, Google Data Shows

Calling bs on the authors conclusion. If I google about gun control, learn what I want, I would then move on with that new knowledge (perhaps facts, perhaps opinion from experts). Why keep searching the same thing? This reminds me on online music sales. They peak fast for a hit and fade fast. Saturation. Once one has downloaded the music why keep buying?

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darthstar  Oct 13, 2015 • 6:52:57am
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The Vicious Babushka  Oct 13, 2015 • 6:53:57am

Stay classy, Dana.

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darthstar  Oct 13, 2015 • 6:55:09am

I really want to watch the debate tonight. I hope the Mets an dispatch the Dodgers in under an hour.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 13, 2015 • 6:56:32am

re: #269 The Vicious Babushka

Stay classy, Dana.

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Clinton and Sanders may be old but they’re more in touch with the 21st century and their younger GOP counterparts who may be young age wise but talk like old men. Ted Cruz may well be the one born in 1941 and Bernie in 1970 with the way those guys talk.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 13, 2015 • 6:57:43am

And this is the party that wanted to get rid of the term limit to allow what would have been a 82 year old President Reagan at the end of a hypothetical third term.

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Timothy Watson  Oct 13, 2015 • 6:58:16am

re: #269 The Vicious Babushka

Stay classy, Dana.

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…she is aware that Trump is older than Hillary…right?

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Oct 13, 2015 • 6:58:53am

Just checking pacermonitor.com, I note there is still no entry regarding Chuck’s response to Gawker’s motion to dismiss.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 13, 2015 • 6:59:02am

re: #273 Timothy Watson

…she is aware that Trump is older than Hillary…right?

I doubt it.

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The Vicious Babushka  Oct 13, 2015 • 6:59:26am

re: #272 HappyWarrior

And this is the party that wanted to get rid of the term limit to allow what would have been a 82 year old President Reagan at the end of a hypothetical third term.

Not to mention Ronnie already had symptoms of dementia during his second term.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 13, 2015 • 6:59:50am

re: #276 The Vicious Babushka

Not to mention Ronnie already had symptoms of dementia during his second term.

Right should have mentioned that too.

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The Vicious Babushka  Oct 13, 2015 • 7:01:36am

WTF Salon these are people who have MURDERED ISRAELI CHILDREN.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 13, 2015 • 7:01:41am

Oh and the party that nominated McCain seven years ago and Mitt wasn’t exactly young either. But as I said, even the GOP’s young guys sound old. Cruz’s own plan to get Democratic crossover are Reagan Democrats. The youngest Reagan Democrat will be 50 in 2016.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Oct 13, 2015 • 7:03:07am

re: #279 HappyWarrior

Oh and the party that nominated McCain seven years ago and Mitt wasn’t exactly young either. But as I said, even the GOP’s young guys sound old. Cruz’s own plan to get Democratic crossover are Reagan Democrats. The youngest Reagan Democrat will be 50 in 2016.

Young conservatives under 30 sound older than I am, and I’ll be 60 in a few months.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 13, 2015 • 7:04:47am

re: #280 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

Young conservatives under 30 sound older than I am, and I’ll be 60 in a few months.

The Onion had a great piece on this- “Republicans leading among young people who dress like old people.” IT really is true though. Young conservatives are a bitter bunch. Way too bitter for people that young.

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SteveMcGaziBolaGate  Oct 13, 2015 • 7:05:34am

re: #229 Eventual Carrion

Not me, the question that runs me in circles is, “How do they get the deer to cross the roads where they put the signs?”.

Does “Deaf Child Area” mean “Don’t bother honking?”

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The Vicious Babushka  Oct 13, 2015 • 7:05:43am

Here’s “young, hip, Latino” Marco Rubio:

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Oct 13, 2015 • 7:09:17am

re: #283 The Vicious Babushka

Here’s “young, hip, Latino” Marco Rubiio:

Is the latest version of the trickle down myth — wealthy stock investors with all that extra cash will leave bigger tips for the bartenders? In my experience, the rich guys are the worst tippers around.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 13, 2015 • 7:10:20am

re: #283 The Vicious Babushka

Here’s “young, hip, Latino” Marco Rubiio:

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Heh really he’s no different than the others except for his age and cultural background. Hell in some ways, he’s more reactionary than the older ones. His position on abortion is very reactionary.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 13, 2015 • 7:10:53am

re: #284 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

Is the latest version of the trickle down myth — wealthy stock investors with all that extra cash will leave bigger tips for the bartenders? In my experience, the rich guys are the worst tippers around.

Yeah that’s my understanding as well. Rubio is a moron.

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darthstar  Oct 13, 2015 • 7:11:33am

re: #278 The Vicious Babushka

WTF Salon these are people who have MURDERED ISRAELI CHILDREN.

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Going back to my now not snarky heart pic upthread, children are children.

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lawhawk  Oct 13, 2015 • 7:11:35am

Like clockwork:

That’s the GOP’s laser-like focus on the economy, passing a budget that can actually be signed into law, etc. Attempting to dismantle Obamacare, which has driven down the uninsured rate nationally (but which would have been lower still had GOP dominated states allowed the Medicaid expansion in those states to cover an even larger percentage). And in the states that refused? Those happen to be some of the states with the highest percentages of uninsureds and the worst health care outcomes in the nation.

Woo! Go GOP! /

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The Vicious Babushka  Oct 13, 2015 • 7:11:40am

THIS IS ALL BIBI’S FAULT!!!!!1!!!

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HappyWarrior  Oct 13, 2015 • 7:12:33am

re: #288 lawhawk

Like clockwork:

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That’s the GOP’s laser-like focus on the economy, passing a budget that can actually be signed into law, etc. Attempting to dismantle Obamacare, which has driven down the uninsured rate nationally (but which would have been lower still had GOP dominated states allowed the Medicaid expansion in those states to cover an even larger percentage). And in the states that refused? Those happen to be some of the states with the highest percentages of uninsureds and the worst health care outcomes in the nation.

Woo! Go GOP! /

MAn they’re pathetic.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 13, 2015 • 7:20:02am
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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Oct 13, 2015 • 7:20:51am

re: #291 Backwoods_Sleuth

That’s got to be the weirdest tweet I’ve seen in a long time.

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The Vicious Babushka  Oct 13, 2015 • 7:21:46am

re: #292 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

That’s got to be the weirdest tweet I’ve seen in a long time.

I TWEET DEAD PEOPLE!!!

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Belafon  Oct 13, 2015 • 7:21:58am

re: #291 Backwoods_Sleuth

“You would only let me close when you died, and I’m thankful for that.”

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Timothy Watson  Oct 13, 2015 • 7:22:12am

re: #291 Backwoods_Sleuth

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I guess I shouldn’t bother to point out that Thatcher was thrown out of office by her own party due to a massive tax increase?

(It was a regressive tax, so that’s probably okay with the GOP.)

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The Vicious Babushka  Oct 13, 2015 • 7:22:36am

STUPIDEST TWEET OF THE DAY==>

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Targetpractice  Oct 13, 2015 • 7:24:21am

re: #296 The Vicious Babushka

STUPIDEST TWEET OF THE DAY==>

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“Yeah, Democrats don’t have the diversity that we do, with two white Cubanos and a black guy who we only allow on stage because he makes all the right noises about black folks being responsible for their own problems!”

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Dr. Matt  Oct 13, 2015 • 7:24:37am

Remember, according to the NRA, an armed society is a polite and safe society:

Angry driver shoots Georgia woman in the back because she was driving too slow

A Georgia woman and her son were driving Monday afternoon when another driver pulled up very close behind her in the center lane.

The woman, 44-year-old Angelina Christiano, motioned for the Ford Mustang driver who had been tailing her to pull around her Corvette — but instead he pulled alongside her and opened fire, reported WSB-TV.

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lawhawk  Oct 13, 2015 • 7:24:45am

re: #296 The Vicious Babushka

Stupidest tweet of the day… so far.

Crowder and Hoft have yet to weigh in. And you know Dana myguns Loesch is right up there with ‘em.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 13, 2015 • 7:25:12am

re: #296 The Vicious Babushka

STUPIDEST TWEET OF THE DAY==>

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Really, I forgot which party had a key inteest group head say no more minority presidents.

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SteveMcGaziBolaGate  Oct 13, 2015 • 7:25:39am

For the life of me, I can’t understand why a young person would identify with republicans, or worse, become a right winger. I did it back in the 70s (when I as young) when the dynamics of the parties were different, but by 1990 the party had embraced the hard right wing. Since then I’m pretty much a RINO, but I stay in because I might get to vote against Pat Toomey in a primary. (He’ll probably run unopposed, but I’ll write in Ed Rendell or something like that). But I just can’t imagine how republicans have anything that would coincide with the interests of young people.

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The Vicious Babushka  Oct 13, 2015 • 7:25:41am

Oh wait HEAR IS MOAR STUPIDS==>

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Dr. Matt  Oct 13, 2015 • 7:25:56am

re: #291 Backwoods_Sleuth

Happy 90th birthday, Margaret Thatcher. It was a privilege for me to attend your funeral. t.co
— Michele Bachmann (@MicheleBachmann) October 13, 2015

I’ve read a lot of dumb fucking crap from wingnuts over the years, but seriously, this one takes the cake.

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Belafon  Oct 13, 2015 • 7:26:26am

re: #296 The Vicious Babushka

STUPIDEST TWEET OF THE DAY==>

With the tags, are you sure that’s not meant to be sarcastic (if there’s a picture, I can’t see it from work)?

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The Vicious Babushka  Oct 13, 2015 • 7:27:13am

Rand Paul is too stupid to understand that even if you #CUTTHEIRCARD stop using your credit card, you’re still on the hook for stuff you already bought with it.

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b.d.  Oct 13, 2015 • 7:27:36am

re: #302 The Vicious Babushka

Oh wait HEAR IS MOAR STUPIDS==>

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I promise to no longer study Japanese quail while on cocaine.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 13, 2015 • 7:27:56am

re: #298 Dr. Matt

Remember, according to the NRA, an armed society is a polite and safe society:

Angry driver shoots Georgia woman in the back because she was driving too slow

This is eaxactly why I support gun control and don’t feel bad at all about it.

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The Vicious Babushka  Oct 13, 2015 • 7:27:58am

re: #304 Belafon

With the tags, are you sure that’s not meant to be sarcastic (if there’s a picture, I can’t see it from work)?

No, I looked at that timeline, it’s pure batshit insanity.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 13, 2015 • 7:28:48am
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makeitstop  Oct 13, 2015 • 7:28:57am

re: #291 Backwoods_Sleuth

Happy 90th birthday, Margaret Thatcher. It was a privilege for me to attend your funeral.

Oh, dear. Bachmann isn’t getting any more sane, is she?

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Targetpractice  Oct 13, 2015 • 7:29:16am

re: #305 The Vicious Babushka

Rand Paul is too stupid to understand that even if you #CUTTHEIRCARD stop using your credit card, you’re still on the hook for stuff you already bought with it.

You gotta remember that Rand’s playing to the same base that nods along when Carson says the way to deal with the debt limit is just to tell Congress to balance the budget. Or think that the best analogy for the federal budget is a household budget, ignoring how a household can’t print its own money or sell its own bonds.

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The Vicious Babushka  Oct 13, 2015 • 7:30:27am

Here is another dumbass who doesn’t know history==>

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HappyWarrior  Oct 13, 2015 • 7:31:05am

re: #283 The Vicious Babushka

Here’s “young, hip, Latino” Marco Rubio:

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A lot in my experiences are people who grow up in conservative households who really don’t encourage looking at different perspectives. Talking about people who are homeschooled for religious reasons, attend religious universities like Liberty, etc.

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b.d.  Oct 13, 2015 • 7:31:09am

re: #302 The Vicious Babushka

Oh wait HEAR IS MOAR STUPIDS==>

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Rand should have read up a bit before spouting off:

The University of Kentucky received a grant of $181,406 in 2010 from the National Institute of Health to study how cocaine enhances the sex drive of Japanese quail. 138 In 2011, grant funding was extended and an additional $175,587 was provided for the study. 139 The total awarded to the

blogs.scientificamerican.com

Rand! Ask UK to give that money back!

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Targetpractice  Oct 13, 2015 • 7:31:12am

re: #312 The Vicious Babushka

Here is another dumbass who doesn’t know history==>

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Well, he is sorta right, they did fight. They got gunned down in the streets and their bodies buried in mass graves, but at least they didn’t get gassed.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 13, 2015 • 7:31:38am

re: #310 makeitstop

Oh, dear. Bachmann isn’t getting any more sane, is she?

Don’t see any reason why she would.

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CuriousLurker  Oct 13, 2015 • 7:32:16am

Good morning, lizards. I don’t know if how many of you saw the article below that Varek posted Sunday (or the video that went along with it), but a certain Pamela Geller seems to be stomping around in high dudgeon over the idea that a Muslim would be kind to a non-Muslim. The nerve! Naturally she’s also pissed at the enemedia—in this case the Daily Fail—because of how they’re always working to further “their Muslim victimhood narrative.”

re: #101 Varek Raith

Lonely anti-Muslim protester greeted lovingly with hugs and invitation to learn about Islam — and she does

Here’s Geller’s article at Breitbart: donotlink.com

This was my favorite line of the whole head spinning, green pea soup spewing rant:

The woman who was the recipient of the Muslim woman’s kindness was a hysterical media caricature of a counter-jihadist.

Pot points & screams at kettle for being so black.

She ends with this darkly ominous observation, for which I’ve provided some suitably portentous accompanying mood music:

To cap off all this deception and hypocrisy, the Daily Mail tells us about this non-Muslim protester that “after feeling more comfortable in her surroundings she caves in, walks into the mosque and even takes selfies.” In one of those selfies, the woman stands next to a smiling Muslim in a hijab, who is holding up one index finger: the sign of allegiance to ISIS.

Video

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The Vicious Babushka  Oct 13, 2015 • 7:32:19am

re: #315 Targetpractice

Well, he is sorta right, they did fight. They got gunned down in the streets and their bodies buried in mass graves, but at least they didn’t get gassed.

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The Lidice rebels were not Jews. If they hadn’t resisted they would have been left alone.

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Dr. Matt  Oct 13, 2015 • 7:32:42am

If Rand Paul is “concerned” about wasteful government spending, they why doesn’t he demand that he and his colleagues work more than 140 days a year.

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lawhawk  Oct 13, 2015 • 7:33:12am

re: #309 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Belafon  Oct 13, 2015 • 7:34:16am

re: #319 Dr. Matt

Someone should convince Paul that the government would save money if employees would only use 130 characters when they tweet.

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The Vicious Babushka  Oct 13, 2015 • 7:34:23am

re: #319 Dr. Matt

If Rand Paul is “concerned” about wasteful government spending, they why doesn’t he demand that he and his colleagues work more than 140 days a year.

If Rand Paul is “concerned” about wasteful government spending, why did he & his colleagues shut down the government at a cost of $25 billion.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 13, 2015 • 7:34:29am

re: #317 CuriousLurker

Good morning, lizards. I don’t know if how many of you saw the article below that Varek posted Sunday (or the video that went along with it), but a certain Pamela Geller seems to be stomping around in high dudgeon over the idea that a Muslim would be kind to a non-Muslim. The nerve! Naturally she’s also pissed at the enemedia—in this case the Daily Fail—because of how they’re always working to further “their Muslim victimhood narrative.”

Here’s Geller’s article at Breitbart: donotlink.com

This was my favorite line of the whole head spinning, green pea soup spewing rant:

Pot points & screams at kettle for being so black. [Embedded image]

She ends with this darkly ominous observation, for which I’ve provided some suitably portentous accompanying mood music:

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All these so called “counter Jihadists” are nuts, If you’re worried about Shariah law happening in this county, you’re nuts.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 13, 2015 • 7:34:56am

re: #322 The Vicious Babushka

If Rand Paul is “concerned” about wasteful government spending, why did he & his colleagues shut down the government at a cost of $25 billion.

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They’re about as fiscally responsible as a 21 year old on his birthday. HEY DRINKS FOR EVERYONE.

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Dr. Matt  Oct 13, 2015 • 7:35:35am

re: #321 Belafon

Someone should convince Paul that the government would save money if employees would only use 130 characters when they tweet.

For that matter, why are government employees using social media on the taxpayers dime?

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HappyWarrior  Oct 13, 2015 • 7:36:13am

He should talk to his Dad. Daddy Paul loved pork.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 13, 2015 • 7:36:24am

Planned Parenthood announced Tuesday that it will no longer accept reimbursements for donating fetal tissue to medical research, a practice that is legal under current law.

The group’s president Cecile Richards disclosed the policy change in a letter to the National Institutes of Health, which she explained was an effort to “take away any basis for attacking Planned Parenthood to advance an anti-abortion political agenda.”

“In order to completely debunk the disingenuous argument that our opponents have been using - and to reveal the true political purpose of these attacks - our Federation has decided, going forward, that any Planned Parenthood health center that is involved in donating tissue after an abortion for medical research will follow the model already in place at one of our two affiliates currently facilitating donations for fetal tissue research,” Richards wrote in the letter.

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b.d.  Oct 13, 2015 • 7:36:35am

re: #319 Dr. Matt

If Rand Paul is “concerned” about wasteful government spending, they why doesn’t he demand that he and his colleagues work more than 140 days a year.

The University of Kentucky got that grant which means, I assume, that some Kentucky congressperson had gotten that quail thing put in.

Nice to see Paul start cleaning house in his home state, defund all government grants to the University of Kentucky!

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Targetpractice  Oct 13, 2015 • 7:36:44am

re: #318 The Vicious Babushka

The Lidice rebels were not Jews. If they hadn’t resisted they would have been left alone.

True, I was talking more to the other instances of Jews “fighting back” and getting slaughtered as a result.

Though I notice wingnuts are now trying to move the goalposts, arguing that Carson isn’t saying the Holocaust have been prevented by Jewish resistance, merely hindered or even stalled. The evidence? Some villages or small towns in Eastern Europe managed to avoid being emptied out into the camps due to Jewish resistance.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 13, 2015 • 7:37:19am

This isn’t as bad as Sarah Palin complaining about fruit fly research though.

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CuriousLurker  Oct 13, 2015 • 7:38:05am

re: #323 HappyWarrior

All these so called “counter Jihadists” are nuts, If you’re worried about Shariah law happening in this county, you’re nuts.

Sometimes, like today, I can’t even get mad because she’s so hilariously over the top. She’s a living, breathing caricature, an absurd…

Drama Llama
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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Oct 13, 2015 • 7:41:14am

re: #328 b.d.

The University of Kentucky got that grant which means, I assume, that some Kentucky congressperson had gotten that quail thing put in.

Nice to see Paul start cleaning house in his home state, defund all government grants to the University of Kentucky!

UK is the flagship of KY’s public university system, and gets a lot of favorable treatment by the legislature, to the chagrin of the regional unis and the U of Louisville. Many of the state’s legislators and governors have been UK graduates, so Rand stepping on UK’s toes is not a bright idea.

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Belafon  Oct 13, 2015 • 7:41:50am

re: #331 CuriousLurker

BTW, still a very funny movie.

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lawhawk  Oct 13, 2015 • 7:42:03am

re: #327 Backwoods_Sleuth

The anti choice zealots will spin that as a victory or somehow proof that the videos were right - that they were engaging in illicit activities.

The reality is that this stresses PP facilities that provide the fetal tissue donation options to patients - it is a cost that they will bear without reimbursement, reducing the amount of care they can provide elsewhere or that they otherwise have to make up through donations.

I get why they’re doing it, but it’s going to be spun as though PP conceded that there was something wrong, when the reality is anything but.

Just you watch.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 13, 2015 • 7:42:22am

re: #331 CuriousLurker

Sometimes, like today, I can’t even get bad because she’s so hilariously over the top. She’s a living, breathing caricature, an absurd…

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Yeah I know, I have those days too when someone self projects so much. When is Pam ever not hysterical? I do ned to read more abotu the original story. I love reading stories like this though because I think overcoming our differences on what we believe in and what we don’t too are important. I may not believe in God but that doesn’t mean we have to hate each other. That’s why interfaith dialogue is so important.

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Targetpractice  Oct 13, 2015 • 7:43:48am

re: #327 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Yeah, I commend Mrs. Roberts for her thinking, but I don’t think this is gonna make much difference. It’s like ACORN promising to change its practices, by now the lie has become too firmly entrenched, so that any changes by PP will simply be seen as either reinforcing the lie or serving as “proof” that the lie is true.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 13, 2015 • 7:45:43am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 13, 2015 • 7:46:55am

O_o

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Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Oct 13, 2015 • 7:47:32am

re: #338 Backwoods_Sleuth

O_o

OFFS

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The Vicious Babushka  Oct 13, 2015 • 7:47:38am

What in the blue fuck he is even talking about?

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No Depression  Oct 13, 2015 • 7:47:44am

re: #338 Backwoods_Sleuth

O_o

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He really is dumber than his brother.

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Lidane  Oct 13, 2015 • 7:48:16am

THIS ASSHOLE:

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Eventual Carrion  Oct 13, 2015 • 7:48:28am

re: #307 HappyWarrior

This is eaxactly why I support gun control regulation and don’t feel bad at all about it.

Just a thing I am trying to get going :)

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Targetpractice  Oct 13, 2015 • 7:48:30am

re: #340 The Vicious Babushka

What in the blue fuck he is even talking about?

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A fantasy world that only Republicans can see.

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Dr. Matt  Oct 13, 2015 • 7:49:12am

re: #341 No Depression

He really is dumber than his brother.

I made that exact same conclusion last week. He did fool many of us for many years in believing he was the brains of the Bush crime family.

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Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Oct 13, 2015 • 7:49:19am

re: #340 The Vicious Babushka

What in the blue fuck he is even talking about?

“We need to go back to the good old days when relatively healthy people could buy cheap insurance that didn’t cover anything.”

half /

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Oct 13, 2015 • 7:49:22am

re: #340 The Vicious Babushka

What in the blue fuck he is even talking about?

We need to legalize the sale of inexpensive health insurance. YOU decide what coverage YOU need. We need market competition!

He means that Free Market (insert name here) is always better than government regulated (insert name here)

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The Vicious Babushka  Oct 13, 2015 • 7:49:23am

Oh “inexpensive health insurance” that people paid for, but which didn’t actually COVER anything? In other words, the scam fraud policies that were banned by the ACA because they didn’t even provide the minimal services?

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Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Oct 13, 2015 • 7:50:52am

re: #323 HappyWarrior

but a certain Pamela Geller seems to be stomping around in high dudgeon

Is it a day ending in -day?

Checks

It is indeed.

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The Vicious Babushka  Oct 13, 2015 • 7:50:57am

re: #347 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

He means that Free Market (insert name here) is always better than government regulated (insert name here)

He thinks that because there is “comparison shopping” for Lasik surgery (which people don’t really NEED) there can also be “comparison shopping” for quadruple bypass surgery, or cancer treatment.

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Oct 13, 2015 • 7:51:07am

re: #348 The Vicious Babushka

Oh “inexpensive health insurance” that people paid for, but which didn’t actually COVER anything? In other words, the scam fraud policies that were banned by the ACA because they didn’t even provide the minimal services?

I had a policy like that when I was young and healthy: it was only $50 per month, but it had a $10,000 deductible. Basically it was bankruptcy insurance for the event that I got hit by a truck.

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Targetpractice  Oct 13, 2015 • 7:51:18am

re: #348 The Vicious Babushka

Oh “inexpensive health insurance” that people paid for, but which didn’t actually COVER anything? In other words, the scam fraud policies that were banned by the ACA because they didn’t even provide the minimal services?

Exactly. The GOP is big on the idea of faith, and what better example that allowing people to put faith in shitty “inexpensive medical insurance” that doesn’t cover jack or shit, but gives the illusion of “security”?

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Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Oct 13, 2015 • 7:52:12am

re: #269 The Vicious Babushka

Stay classy, Dana.

What is Dana Gunz dribbling about here?

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Dr. Matt  Oct 13, 2015 • 7:52:12am

re: #346 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse

“We need to go back to the good old days when relatively healthy people could buy cheap insurance that didn’t cover anything.”

half /

Yup. Cheap insurance that no one takes, but if you do find a provider that accepts it, you have a $500 co-pay, no RX plan, no specialty care, and the rates shoot up the moment after you use it.

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Skip Intro  Oct 13, 2015 • 7:53:36am

re: #340 The Vicious Babushka

What in the blue fuck he is even talking about?

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Mythical policies sold by mythical companies that only exist deep in the recesses of the wingnut brain.

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The Vicious Babushka  Oct 13, 2015 • 7:53:45am

re: #353 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse

What is Dana Gunz dribbling about here?

HURR HURR LOOK AT HOW TEH DEMOCRATZ IS ALL A BUNCH OF OLDS!!!!!! BUT TEH GOP HAS TEH YOUNG HIPSTERS LIKE RUBIO!!!!!!

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HappyWarrior  Oct 13, 2015 • 7:54:11am

re: #343 Eventual Carrion

Just a thing I am trying to get going :)

Sure go for it. We should frame it that way.

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Timothy Watson  Oct 13, 2015 • 7:54:15am

re: #350 The Vicious Babushka

He thinks that because there is “comparison shopping” for Lasik surgery (which people don’t really NEED) there can also be “comparison shopping” for quadruple bypass surgery, or cancer treatment.

For some procedures, imaging, etc. it would be helpful for someone to be able to look up a price for a treatment/procedure/etc. but hospitals aren’t exactly forthcoming with that information.

Some group here in Virginia did a database with that information a couple years ago, which they had requested from a bunch of different hospitals and medical providers.

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Bubblehead II  Oct 13, 2015 • 7:54:27am

Something that might be of interest to the guitar aficionados here.

Jimi Hendrix’s guitar at center of Tucson lawsuit

The owner of a Tucson guitar shop faces a $750,000 lawsuit over a guitar once owned by legendary rock-and-roll musician Jimi Hendrix.

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plansbandc  Oct 13, 2015 • 7:54:31am

re: #114 The War TARDIS

Craig Ferguson. Or Judi Dench.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 13, 2015 • 7:54:36am

re: #342 Lidane

THIS ASSHOLE:

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Uh no. Stop being oligarchial pricks already.

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I Stand With Planned Parenthood  Oct 13, 2015 • 7:54:54am

As far as I know, they Sol isn’t expected to go super nova for a long, long time yet. I think this is what is meant by the “end times”.

Unless Ben has some special information to which the rest of us are not privy.

Well, on second thought, I bet he does have some of that special information.

:)

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HappyWarrior  Oct 13, 2015 • 7:55:05am

re: #338 Backwoods_Sleuth

O_o

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Jeb wouldn’t know shit. He’s a pampered rich boy.

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Timothy Watson  Oct 13, 2015 • 7:55:06am

re: #340 The Vicious Babushka

What in the blue fuck he is even talking about?

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Next, he’ll be saying you should be able to buy an insurance policy from another state which no one in your state actually takes.

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The Vicious Babushka  Oct 13, 2015 • 7:55:22am

re: #358 Timothy Watson

For some procedures, imaging, etc. it would be helpful for someone to be able to look up a price for a treatment/procedure/etc. but hospitals aren’t exactly forthcoming with that information.

Some group here in Virginia did a database with that information a couple years ago, which they had requested from a bunch of different hospitals and medical providers.

HURR HURR JUST GIVE SENIORS VOUCHERS INSTEAD OF TEH MEDICARES!!!! GRANMMA LOVES TEH COUPONS & SHOPPING FOR BARGAINS!!!!

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Targetpractice  Oct 13, 2015 • 7:55:31am

What always got me is that, by pushing this “inexpensive insurance” shit, the GOP is basically spitting on the whole principle of “you get what you pay for.” In their fantasy land, you can pay virtually nothing monthly for a plan that will cover all your bills, take excellent care of you, and still remain “inexpensive” after the first claim.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 13, 2015 • 7:55:38am

I just checked.
His FB page is really gone.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 13, 2015 • 7:56:20am

re: #367 Backwoods_Sleuth

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I just checked.
His FB page is really gone.

Well that’s good news. Maybe he’ll post his late ragegasms from LiveJournal.

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I Stand With Planned Parenthood  Oct 13, 2015 • 7:56:35am
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The Vicious Babushka  Oct 13, 2015 • 7:56:38am

re: #367 Backwoods_Sleuth

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I just checked.
His FB page is really gone.

Has that Gawker case been dismissed? I will have pie ready for the party.

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Higgs Boson's Mate  Oct 13, 2015 • 7:56:42am

re: #347 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

He means that Free Market (insert name here) is always better than government regulated (insert name here)

Who among us doesn’t want to go back to insane deductibles, denial of coverage for preexisting conditions (Like being female), benefit caps, and bankruptcy because you became ill or injured?

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Skip Intro  Oct 13, 2015 • 7:56:49am

Hey, so what has Florida Man been up to lately?

Florida Man already facing car theft charges drives stolen car to police station

baynews9.com

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Dr. Matt  Oct 13, 2015 • 7:56:55am

re: #367 Backwoods_Sleuth

I just checked.
His FB page is really gone.

Probably covering up his digital footprint for his Gawker “lawsuit” trial.

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ObserverArt  Oct 13, 2015 • 7:57:28am

Morning. I did now know the president had in his tool box one big monkey wrench. Seems to be using it a lot these days. Loved that bit about saying he’d like Paul Ryan.

I was doing a little reading on the Freedom Caucus. It appears Ohio’s Jim Jordan is one of the major idiots involved. Uggh. I don’t think any other Ohioan congressfolk is involved.

And on topic a bit. What would you pay for a Barrack Obama and Ben Carson debate?

I think that would be epic in so, so many ways.

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Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Oct 13, 2015 • 7:57:44am

About The Hill article on Carson:

I’d like to see more of the context, but it sounds like Carson is saying that Radical Muslims! have an apocalyptic, fatalistic view of the world.

But the thing is, Carson’s own religion (and my former one) is fatalistic. SDAism doesn’t really have an option for A President Carson Saves Us All. It is a fatalistic, escapist world view where all the good people go to heaven. The earth as we know it isn’t supposed to be saved.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 13, 2015 • 7:57:56am

If Jeb and his fellow Republicans had their way, I could still be denied coverage based on my heart condition. That’s another reason to say fuck the fucking fuckers. And that really is one of the best legacies of ACA is that it prohibits denying coverage based off a pre-existing condition.

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Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Oct 13, 2015 • 7:58:33am

re: #374 ObserverArt

Morning. I did now know the president had in his tool box one big monkey wrench. Seems to be using it a lot these days. Loved that bit about saying he’d like Paul Ryan.

Obama always be trolling

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Belafon  Oct 13, 2015 • 7:59:45am

re: #342 Lidane

Fine, then anyone who isn’t awarded the privilege of voting isn’t covered by any laws.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 13, 2015 • 7:59:47am

re: #370 The Vicious Babushka

Has that Gawker case been dismissed? I will have pie ready for the party.

nothing so far about that

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Oct 13, 2015 • 8:00:48am

re: #358 Timothy Watson

For some procedures, imaging, etc. it would be helpful for someone to be able to look up a price for a treatment/procedure/etc. but hospitals aren’t exactly forthcoming with that information.

Some group here in Virginia did a database with that information a couple years ago, which they had requested from a bunch of different hospitals and medical providers.

Hospitals didn’t want to divulge that information before ACA, because there really was not set price. It depended on the insurance carrier, and they didn’t want the insurers to know what the others paid. I’m not sure how it works post-ACA. What really needs to be done is an independent cost-analysis of what each procedure costs. Maybe the insurers have done that, but they probably underestimate, while the hospitals overestimate.

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Timothy Watson  Oct 13, 2015 • 8:01:13am

re: #373 Dr. Matt

Probably covering up his digital footprint for his Gawker “lawsuit” trial.

That’s what preservation orders are for. :)

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Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Oct 13, 2015 • 8:01:24am

re: #356 The Vicious Babushka

HURR HURR LOOK AT HOW TEH DEMOCRATZ IS ALL A BUNCH OF OLDS!!!!!! BUT TEH GOP HAS TEH YOUNG HIPSTERS LIKE RUBIO!!!!!!

Wasn’t Reagan…oh never mind.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 13, 2015 • 8:01:43am

just saw this:

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Oct 13, 2015 • 8:02:02am

re: #378 Belafon

Fine, then anyone who isn’t awarded the privilege of voting isn’t covered by any laws.

I could suggest that we introduce a free and universal national ID card for all citizens (and eligible voters) and legal resident aliens.

Any takers on the left or right?

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HappyWarrior  Oct 13, 2015 • 8:02:07am

re: #369 I Stand With Planned Parenthood

The Shocking Truth About Some of the World’s Most Famous Quotes

REALLY??????

It does make sense especially with people with a lot of legend about them. Take Washington and the Cherry tree story.

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lawhawk  Oct 13, 2015 • 8:02:07am

re: #347 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

He means that Free Market (insert name here) is always better than government regulated (insert name here)

Except that the ACA created markets that didn’t exist before allowing insurers to compete for customers in ways that they hadn’t - giving people access to health insurance for the first time at rates that were competitive and manageable.

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Higgs Boson's Mate  Oct 13, 2015 • 8:02:40am

re: #379 Backwoods_Sleuth

nothing so far about that

Over Gawker?
No. I don’t think I’ll ever get over Gawker.

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Timothy Watson  Oct 13, 2015 • 8:02:46am

re: #380 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

Hospitals didn’t want to divulge that information before ACA, because there really was not set price. It depended on the insurance carrier, and they didn’t want the insurers to know what the others paid. I’m not sure how it works post-ACA. What really needs to be done is an independent cost-analysis of what each procedure costs. Maybe the insurers have done that, but they probably underestimate, while the hospitals overestimate.

And if they do give you the price for the procedure, they don’t include the price for the anesthesiologist who bills you through his own company, etc.

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Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Oct 13, 2015 • 8:03:55am

re: #375 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse

About The Hill article on Carson:

I’d like to see more of the context, but it sounds like Carson is saying that Radical Muslims! have an apocalyptic, fatalistic view of the world.

But the thing is, Carson’s own religion (and my former one) is fatalistic. SDAism doesn’t really have an option for A President Carson Saves Us All. It is a fatalistic, escapist world view where all the good people go to heaven. The earth as we know it isn’t supposed to be saved.

It’s part of the reason, or the main reason, SDA’s traditionally stay away from partisan politics.

Carson may himself not be fatalistic or take the SDA worldview to its logical conclusion. But a theology that longs for the Second Coming and rejects the idea of the improvement of mankind presents particular challenges for a presidential candidate that embraces those views.

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Skip Intro  Oct 13, 2015 • 8:04:21am
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ObserverArt  Oct 13, 2015 • 8:04:24am

re: #269 The Vicious Babushka

Stay classy, Dana.

Dana Loesch ✔ @DLoesch

Every participant in tonight’s Visiting Angels Debate receives a free Rascal for showing up Rascal Electric Scooter Commercial (1995)

9:50 AM - 13 Oct 2015

YouTube @YouTube

Does Dana realize the top of the GOP heap is in their 60s? Trump, Carson, Bush, Fiorina, all 60+.

She’s probably got the hots for the youngsters like Cruz and Rubio. They are 44…and I am guessing she loves that caliber of gun!

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Timothy Watson  Oct 13, 2015 • 8:04:35am

re: #386 lawhawk

Except that the ACA created markets that didn’t exist before allowing insurers to compete for customers in ways that they hadn’t - giving people access to health insurance for the first time at rates that were competitive and manageable.

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Wasn’t it John McCain who propose something exactly like the health care exchanges so people could compare prices on insurance?

(He also supported taxing what he called “gold-plated policies” provided by employers too.)

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makeitstop  Oct 13, 2015 • 8:04:38am

re: #359 Bubblehead II

Something that might be of interest to the guitar aficionados here.

Jimi Hendrix’s guitar at center of Tucson lawsuit

The owner of a Tucson guitar shop faces a $750,000 lawsuit over a guitar once owned by legendary rock-and-roll musician Jimi Hendrix.

Sounds like Janie didn’t think the guitar was worth much when she gave it to her ex, but now that it might be worth a cool million she wants to get it back.

FTR, Acoustic was primarily known as a manufacturer of amps. While there is a photo of Jimi playing it, it’s doubtful that the Black Widow would have taken the place of his beloved Stratocasters.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 13, 2015 • 8:04:55am

Their objection frankly to ACA is simply with the man who passed and signed it into law. ACA was fine with them when it was the Heritage Foundation’s idea. They’re just mad because Obama outsmarted them big time on the issue and he’s going to go down as a success despite what Mitch wanted to do.

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Romantic Heretic  Oct 13, 2015 • 8:06:34am

re: #244 The Vicious Babushka

Translation: Not a real conservative because black!

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The Vicious Babushka  Oct 13, 2015 • 8:06:36am

re: #391 ObserverArt

YouTube @YouTube

Does Dana realize the top of the GOP heap is in their 60s? Trump, Carson, Bush, Fiorina, all 60+.

She’s probably got the hots for the youngsters like Cruz and Rubio. They are 44…and I am guessing she loves that caliber of gun!

Oldest President Ever: Senile Ronnie

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lawhawk  Oct 13, 2015 • 8:06:36am

re: #358 Timothy Watson

Some of the larger insurers are trying to publish costs of care - for procedures and doctors, but often the costs are estimates. What’s eye popping is that you can have hospitals only a few miles from each other and the cost for the same exact procedure with similar outcomes can vary by a staggering degree. A knee or hip replacement might cost $50k in one facility, but $150k in a facility a few miles away.

That’s nuts.

And it gets worse when you start looking overseas for comparisons between procedures like natural birth or C-sections versus the costs here.

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Eventual Carrion  Oct 13, 2015 • 8:08:33am

re: #367 Backwoods_Sleuth

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I just checked.
His FB page is really gone.

Newsgroups here he comes! alt.chucky

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Targetpractice  Oct 13, 2015 • 8:08:58am

It’s almost given that any time a Republican starts making noises about “free markets” and “competition = lower costs,” what they’re trying to sell you on is a proposal that will simply lead to higher costs down the road. Such as deregulation, which has only ever led to consolidation as big companies use market forces to squash and then swallow up smaller ones.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 13, 2015 • 8:09:06am

re: #396 The Vicious Babushka

Oldest President Ever: Senile Ronnie

Fun fact but Reagan was older than four of the five presidents before him. He was only younger than LBJ.

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lawhawk  Oct 13, 2015 • 8:09:33am

re: #387 Higgs Boson’s Mate

Macho Grande?

I’ll never get over Macho Grande.

Over Macho Grande?

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Bubblehead II  Oct 13, 2015 • 8:09:35am

re: #367 Backwoods_Sleuth

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I just checked.
His FB page is really gone.

He’s also done something to his website. It greys out and the links become unusable when you scroll down. The only link that works is for some app called OptinMonster. He has basically managed to disable his own website.

Correction. If you scroll down using the down arrow you eventually get a dialog b ox asking for your E-Mail address. Probably unlocks the website.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 13, 2015 • 8:09:37am

re: #399 Targetpractice

It’s almost given that any time a Republican starts making noises about “free markets” and “competition = lower costs,” what they’re trying to sell you on is a proposal that will simply lead to higher costs down the road. Such as deregulation, which has only ever led to consolidation as big companies use market forces to squash and then swallow up smaller ones.

Right.

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The Vicious Babushka  Oct 13, 2015 • 8:10:56am

re: #402 Bubblehead II

He’s also done something to his website. It greys out and the links become unusable when you scroll down. The only link that works is for some app called OptinMonster. He has basically managed to disable his own website.

Or it could be some malware.

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Higgs Boson's Mate  Oct 13, 2015 • 8:11:26am

re: #401 lawhawk

Thank you!

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GlutenFreeJesus  Oct 13, 2015 • 8:12:05am

How can this be possible!?!?

ALL ISRELIEZ CARRY GUNZ!!!

bbc.com

Three Israelis have been killed and more than 20 injured in shooting and stabbing attacks in Jerusalem and central Israel, Israeli police say.

RIP. :(

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Eventual Carrion  Oct 13, 2015 • 8:12:10am

re: #387 Higgs Boson’s Mate

Over Gawker?
No. I don’t think I’ll ever get over Gawker.

Not with that drinking problem of yours.

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lawhawk  Oct 13, 2015 • 8:12:47am

The more I see stories about the Clinton servers and the breathless headlines indicating that they could have been hacked or attempted hacking was identified, I can’t help but note that every computer server faces those risks - from the DoD and other USG servers on down. It’s a constant and never ending problem, especially with financial hackers, espionage (corporate and government), and identity thieves, to name but a few kinds/profiles.

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Romantic Heretic  Oct 13, 2015 • 8:13:04am

re: #278 The Vicious Babushka

So, collective guilt? Some Palestinians are murderous assholes so all must be punished?

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Higgs Boson's Mate  Oct 13, 2015 • 8:14:05am

re: #404 The Vicious Babushka

Or it could be some malware.

The difference between that site and malware being?

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makeitstop  Oct 13, 2015 • 8:14:16am

re: #402 Bubblehead II

He’s also done something to his website. It greys out and the links become unusable when you scroll down. The only link that works is for some app called OptinMonster. He has basically managed to disable his own website.

Sounds like someone told him to quit fucking around and GTFO the internet.

It couldn’t have been his lawyer - that guy just isn’t that smart.

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Targetpractice  Oct 13, 2015 • 8:15:45am

re: #408 lawhawk

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The more I see stories about the Clinton servers and the breathless headlines indicating that they could have been hacked or attempted hacking was identified, I can’t help but note that every computer server faces those risks - from the DoD and other USG servers on down. It’s a constant and never ending problem, especially with financial hackers, espionage (corporate and government), and identity thieves, to name but a few kinds/profiles.

Not to mention the State Department servers we’re told she only avoided out of fear of “being caught” are not secure systems either, so the allegations that her sending and receiving classified information “put our national security at risk!” is all bullshit for those folks who haven’t a fucking clue how computer security works. Basically, the only way to prevent a computer or server from being hacked is to keep it off any network (local or internet) and rigidly control physical access to it.

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lawhawk  Oct 13, 2015 • 8:16:24am

re: #400 HappyWarrior

Fun fact but Reagan was older than four of the five presidents before him. He was only younger than LBJ.

McCain was how old when he ran in 2008? He’s 79 now. Doing the math… 72?

The GOP used his age as a proxy for experience and know-how, having been in the Senate for as long as he was. Especially as compared to Obama, who was a newcomer to the national stage.

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The Vicious Babushka  Oct 13, 2015 • 8:17:09am

re: #409 Romantic Heretic

So, collective guilt? Some Palestinians are murderous assholes so all must be punished?

Who said all must be punished? If you actually read the article that I linked to, you will see they are complaining that the stabbers were shot, not random Palestinians minding their own business. Although random Israelis minding their own business were killed.

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Bubblehead II  Oct 13, 2015 • 8:19:17am

re: #404 The Vicious Babushka

Or it could be some malware.

Nah. It’s some app that tries to get you to enter your e-Mail address to re enable the links. But the dialog box is so far down people aren’t going to find it and will just leave.

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SteveMcGaziBolaGate  Oct 13, 2015 • 8:20:11am

re: #393 makeitstop

Sounds like Janie didn’t think the guitar was worth much when she gave it to her ex, but now that it might be worth a cool million she wants to get it back.

FTR, Acoustic was primarily known as a manufacturer of amps. While there is a photo of Jimi playing it, it’s doubtful that the Black Widow would have taken the place of his beloved Stratocasters.

Someday Brian May’s guitar will go up for auction. Many legendary guitarists used a bunch of different guitars during their careers, but he used his handmade guitar almost exclusively his entire career.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 13, 2015 • 8:20:17am

re: #413 lawhawk

McCain was how old when he ran in 2008? He’s 79 now. Doing the math… 72?

The GOP used his age as a proxy for experience and know-how, having been in the Senate for as long as he was. Especially as compared to Obama, who was a newcomer to the national stage.

McCain would have been the oldest president elect ever so yeah 72. Romney was 65 or very close to it since he’s Hillary’s age.

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ObserverArt  Oct 13, 2015 • 8:20:26am

re: #341 No Depression

He really is dumber than his brother.

I think there must have been a huge PR campaign going on all this time telling everyone he was smarter than “W” because they knew “W” was having his own intelligence issues. If they knew Jeb was even more dense in the head they knew he would never be looked at as a presidential candidate.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Oct 13, 2015 • 8:20:37am

re: #402 Bubblehead II

He’s also done something to his website. It greys out and the links become unusable when you scroll down. The only link that works is for some app called OptinMonster. He has basically managed to disable his own website.

No, his website is OK. I just checked it. The FB page is either gone or closed to the public again.

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ObserverArt  Oct 13, 2015 • 8:23:01am

re: #367 Backwoods_Sleuth

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I just checked.
His FB page is really gone.

A family intervention???

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GlutenFreeJesus  Oct 13, 2015 • 8:23:51am

re: #408 lawhawk

In a way, her non Government server was safer. How many federal workers got their info stolen not too long ago… from Government servers?

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SteveMcGaziBolaGate  Oct 13, 2015 • 8:24:29am

Jeb? IS smarter than his brother. Jeb?’s problem is his worldview forces him into making dumb statements. You simply can’t be a right winger and say anything that makes sense. They’re just incompatible.

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Targetpractice  Oct 13, 2015 • 8:26:13am

re: #418 ObserverArt

I think there must have been a huge PR campaign going on all this time telling everyone he was smarter than “W” because they knew “W” was having his own intelligence issues. If they knew Jeb was even more dense in the head they knew he would never be looked at as a presidential candidate.

I’ve become convinced that Jeb! being “the smart one” was always a propaganda effort, one aimed at selling him to voters in the event that Dubya didn’t blow up the country before he left office. You could tell through most of Jeb!’s governorship that he was setting the stage for a national campaign, playing all the right notes to win over the party base and set himself up to carry Florida. What he or rather his handlers didn’t expect is that Dubya would shit the bed so hard it would leave a hole in the mattress before leaving office in a cloud of disgrace.

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The Vicious Babushka  Oct 13, 2015 • 8:27:23am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 13, 2015 • 8:27:58am
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The Vicious Babushka  Oct 13, 2015 • 8:28:44am

What is Donald going to do if (G-D forbid) he becomes POTUS and some furrin leader does something to diss him? LAUNCH THE MISSILES!!!!!

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HappyWarrior  Oct 13, 2015 • 8:28:47am

re: #425 Backwoods_Sleuth

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He really seems to loathe mothers. (see his past comments about single moms)

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HappyWarrior  Oct 13, 2015 • 8:33:01am

Anyhow as for Jeb. I have to concede I bought he was the smart brother myth too. I notice that George is the only of the four Bush brothers and one Bush daughter to attend Yale. Now I see his degree is in Latin American studies and that he completed that in 2 1/2 years. However, that’s the kind of “ethnic studies” liberal arts program that I see conservatives repeatedly disparage. I think Jeb probably isn’t an idiot but he’s definitely not as intelligent as he has been made out to be. FWIW I think the smartest one in the family is the father. H.W has more street smarts than either of his sons too.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 13, 2015 • 8:34:05am

re: #424 The Vicious Babushka

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Donny, aren’t you the one who couldn’t handle the tough questions for Jorge Ramos, so how are you going to handle Putin and President Hu. You can’t get your douchebags to ban tem and manhandle them.

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Belafon  Oct 13, 2015 • 8:34:13am

re: #427 HappyWarrior

He really seems to loathe mothers. (see his past comments about single moms)

Mom always did favor George.

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Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Oct 13, 2015 • 8:34:59am

re: #424 The Vicious Babushka

The arrogant young woman who questioned me in such a nasty fashion at No Labels yesterday was a Jeb staffer! HOW CAN HE BEAT RUSSIA & CHINA?
— Donald J. Trump

Yes, we need a classy man like The Donald to be our president.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 13, 2015 • 8:35:15am

re: #423 Targetpractice

I’ve become convinced that Jeb! being “the smart one” was always a propaganda effort, one aimed at selling him to voters in the event that Dubya didn’t blow up the country before he left office. You could tell through most of Jeb!’s governorship that he was setting the stage for a national campaign, playing all the right notes to win over the party base and set himself up to carry Florida. What he or rather his handlers didn’t expect is that Dubya would shit the bed so hard it would leave a hole in the mattress before leaving office in a cloud of disgrace.

Well remember Jeb and George did run for governor at the same time in 1994. George won while Jeb lost but I definitely do think his intelligence has always been greatly overstated. In fact, despite all the dumb shit he’s said, George may be the more smarter of the two.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 13, 2015 • 8:35:40am

re: #430 Belafon

Mom always did favor George.

Is that so?

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calochortus  Oct 13, 2015 • 8:35:51am

re: #351 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

I had a policy like that when I was young and healthy: it was only $50 per month, but it had a $10,000 deductible. Basically it was bankruptcy insurance for the event that I got hit by a truck.

We had a similar policy for a few years for reasons I won’t bore you with, except that my husband was difficult to insure at an affordable price. The insurance company eventually quit writing that particular policy because too many people were using it as their primary policy (actual stated reason for discontinuing that coverage.) Fortunately, we won that particular economic gamble, and we were able to find another insurer at that point.

People who have never had to buy insurance in the individual market have absolutely no clue what it is like.

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lawhawk  Oct 13, 2015 • 8:38:21am
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HappyWarrior  Oct 13, 2015 • 8:39:24am

I hope I didn’t come off as bad mouthing a BA in Latin American studies. There’s no shame in all for Jeb having that but I do know that’s the kind of degree that gets scorned in right wing circles as a “useless liberal arts degree.”

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ObserverArt  Oct 13, 2015 • 8:39:34am

re: #424 The Vicious Babushka

Donald J. Trump ✔ @realDonaldTrump

The arrogant young woman who questioned me in such a nasty fashion at No Labels yesterday was a Jeb staffer! HOW CAN HE BEAT RUSSIA & CHINA?

7:39 AM - 13 Oct 2015

What a buffoon. He has got to be the most easily butthurt “successful” tycoon-great-man-presidential-candidate ever.

Can you image this fool in international negotiations?

President Trump Tweet:

“Just heard Putin said our proposal was no good. I’m never talking to him or Russia again until they apologize for wasting my time”

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GlutenFreeJesus  Oct 13, 2015 • 8:40:01am

re: #435 lawhawk

Anyone have his 617 number? I wonder if it still works. ;)

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HappyWarrior  Oct 13, 2015 • 8:40:18am

I don’t think education though tells the whole story though. Santorum has a BA, MBA, and JD and he acts like a complete imbecile. Jindal was a Rhodes Scholar. Cruz went to Princeton (Which from what I understand is even tougher to get into than Harvard or Yale).

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No Country For Old Haters  Oct 13, 2015 • 8:40:57am

re: #15 The Vicious Babushka

Carryover from the previous thread

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The Vicious Babushka  Oct 13, 2015 • 8:42:01am

re: #431 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse

Yes, we need a classy man like The Donald to be our president.

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Donald has YOOGE BINDERS FULL OF WOMENS!!!!!!11! and those are just the ones he’s considering for his 4th wife.

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ObserverArt  Oct 13, 2015 • 8:42:07am

re: #425 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Damn. I hope a lot of Republican woman are listening and paying lip service with their support of these GOP bozos. And then when in that voting booth and away from all the noise they vote Democrat.

That party needs a lesson.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 13, 2015 • 8:42:26am

re: #437 ObserverArt

What a buffoon. He has got to be the most easily butthurt “successful” tycoon-great-man-presidential-candidate ever.

Can you image this fool in international negotiations?

President Trump Tweet:

“Just heard Putin said our proposal was no good. I’m never talking to him or Russia again until they apologize for wasting my time”

I guess when you convince yourself you’re the greatest thing ever for this planet, criticism seems to hurt more than most. I just picture this with our allies and him making the kind of remarks about someone like Angela Merkel that he has Megyn Kelly or Carly Firoina.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Oct 13, 2015 • 8:43:56am

re: #421 GlutenFreeJesus

In a way, her non Government server was safer. How many federal workers got their info stolen not too long ago… from Government servers?

Aren’t these the very same people who think the private sector does EVERYTHING better than the Government?

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Dr. Matt  Oct 13, 2015 • 8:44:10am

Remind me how many times Candidate or President Obama called someone “arrogant”.

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calochortus  Oct 13, 2015 • 8:44:22am

re: #443 HappyWarrior

I guess when you convince yourself you’re the greatest thing ever for this planet, criticism seems to hurt more than most. I just picture this with our allies and him making the kind of remarks about someone like Angela Merkel that he has Megyn Kelly or Carly Firoina.

Actually, when you truly believe you’re the greatest thing ever, criticism bounces right off. The Donald strikes me as someone who is desperately afraid someone will find out the truth about his lack of greatness.

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ObserverArt  Oct 13, 2015 • 8:44:25am

re: #428 HappyWarrior

Anyhow as for Jeb. I have to concede I bought he was the smart brother myth too. I notice that George is the only of the four Bush brothers and one Bush daughter to attend Yale. Now I see his degree is in Latin American studies and that he completed that in 2 1/2 years. However, that’s the kind of “ethnic studies” liberal arts program that I see conservatives repeatedly disparage. I think Jeb probably isn’t an idiot but he’s definitely not as intelligent as he has been made out to be. FWIW I think the smartest one in the family is the father. H.W has more street smarts than either of his sons too.

Actually Momma Bush (HW’s wife) may be even smarter.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 13, 2015 • 8:44:58am

re: #446 calochortus

Actually, when you truly believe you’re the greatest thing ever, criticism bounces right off. The Donald strikes me as someone who is desperately afraid someone will find out the truth about his lack of greatness.

Yeah actually that does make more sense.

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The Vicious Babushka  Oct 13, 2015 • 8:45:48am

Donald Trump goes into a rage, has a 10-minute tantrum on Fox News because POTUS “dissed” him on 60 minutes.

I could only watch 5 minutes of the tantrum. How far can anyone else get before turning it off and/or vomiting?

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No Country For Old Haters  Oct 13, 2015 • 8:45:59am

re: #55 The Vicious Babushka

Wingnuts who claim Obama is Hitlering them have a new hero:

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HappyWarrior  Oct 13, 2015 • 8:46:18am

re: #447 ObserverArt

Actually Momma Bush (HW’s wife) may be even smarter.

Really need to learn more about Babs. I have to admit even though the Wlllie Horton ads disgusted me, I do have a certain respect for H.W Bush. That said, I would have happily voted for “card carrying ALCU member” Dukakis but I was just crawling around back then.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 13, 2015 • 8:46:50am

re: #450 No Country For Old Haters

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They have never met a right wing tyrant they haven’t liked. Pinochet is beloved in RW circles.

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No Country For Old Haters  Oct 13, 2015 • 8:48:07am

re: #73 lawhawk

Reset the clock:

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I think we can sell the countdown clock, and replace it with a cardboard box with a zero written on the front.

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lawhawk  Oct 13, 2015 • 8:49:25am

re: #428 HappyWarrior

GHWB ran the CIA, was VP and President. He had intimate knowledge of how government operates, functions, and even called out trickle down for the voodoo economics it is.

His wife helped raised decent kids who considered it their mission to do public service.

That’s the good. The bad is that GWB was a decent enough guy who was out of his league as president after 9/11 and couldn’t stave off going to war against a country that was tangential to the AQ threat (Iraq). He let Cheney and others run the show and shift the focus away from Afghanistan and into the Iraq morass (even if I still agree that there were valid reasons to remove Saddam from power due to his democidal ways and flaunting UN SCRs, separate from the stated reasons of WMD/nukes that turned out to be overblown). GWB also at least made efforts at being compassionate and inclusive - particularly in rebuffing the Islamophobes.

Jeb has shown himself incapable of pandering to the racists/nativists, in an attempt to stay relevant as his polling founders. He lacks the charm of his brother and the instincts of his dad. And he has all of the baggage of both.

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ObserverArt  Oct 13, 2015 • 8:49:57am

Later…gots to get some work done outside on a couple window frames. It’s finally warmed up a bit.

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SteveMcGaziBolaGate  Oct 13, 2015 • 8:49:59am

I think it’s easy to forget just how dumb W was.

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calochortus  Oct 13, 2015 • 8:51:02am

re: #455 ObserverArt

Later…gots to get some work done outside on a couple window frames. It’s finally warmed up a bit.

I, on the other hand, need to get some stuff done in the yard before it gets too warm.

BBL

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HappyWarrior  Oct 13, 2015 • 8:52:14am

re: #454 lawhawk

GHWB ran the CIA, was VP and President. He had intimate knowledge of how government operates, functions, and even called out trickle down for the voodoo economics it is.

His wife helped raised decent kids who considered it their mission to do public service.

That’s the good. The bad is that GWB was a decent enough guy who was out of his league as president after 9/11 and couldn’t stave off going to war against a country that was tangential to the AQ threat (Iraq). He let Cheney and others run the show and shift the focus away from Afghanistan and into the Iraq morass (even if I still agree that there were valid reasons to remove Saddam from power due to his democidal ways and flaunting UN SCRs, separate from the stated reasons of WMD/nukes that turned out to be overblown). GWB also at least made efforts at being compassionate and inclusive - particularly in rebuffing the Islamophobes.

Jeb has shown himself incapable of pandering to the racists/nativists, in an attempt to stay relevant as his polling founders. He lacks the charm of his brother and the instincts of his dad. And he has all of the baggage of both.

Yeah HWB did pretty much everything. He was sort of like a Bill Richardson type sans the gubertorial experience. But yeah I agree with you aout the kids.

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SteveMcGaziBolaGate  Oct 13, 2015 • 8:52:31am

re: #454 lawhawk

I believe that Iran-Contra (how did that not get a -gate?) was H’s doing. That’s why we got Dan Quayle as VP, to make H impeachment-proof.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 13, 2015 • 8:52:43am

re: #456 SteveMcGaziBolaGate

I think it’s easy to forget just how dumb W was.

I suppose you are right. FEels like forever he was president. I don’t miss him and especially Cheney at all.

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b_sharp  Oct 13, 2015 • 8:53:34am

I need some help my fellow lizards.

Even with all of the preoccupation with politics, I’m afraid I have a serious question outside of politics to ask, hoping your wisdom can help me.

Ok, here’s the question.

Do I have lemon pie or pumpkin pie for breakfast?

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HappyWarrior  Oct 13, 2015 • 8:54:08am

My Dad remembers his manager being excited about a possible Quayle run in 2000. He never ended up running and I doubt would have done well in the primaries.

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The Vicious Babushka  Oct 13, 2015 • 8:54:16am

re: #461 b_sharp

I need some help my fellow lizards.

Even with all of the preoccupation with politics, I’m afraid I have a serious question outside of politics to ask, hoping your wisdom can help me.

Ok, here’s the question.

Do I have lemon pie or pumpkin pie for breakfast?

Yes.

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Dr. Matt  Oct 13, 2015 • 8:54:21am

re: #461 b_sharp

Do I have lemon pie or pumpkin pie for breakfast?

Why not a little (or a lot) of both?

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SteveMcGaziBolaGate  Oct 13, 2015 • 8:55:15am

re: #461 b_sharp

Go get some Krimpets

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lawhawk  Oct 13, 2015 • 8:55:34am

Blast from past:

Yeah, just ignore all the guns owned by Iranians. That really helped.

Or that the Iraqis have tons of guns, and it hasn’t helped them either (either as fighting off a dictator like Saddam, or dealing with the rise/spread of ISIL).

The Arab Spring took in some countries, but not Iran - and guns didn’t help/harm. Tunisia saw a relatively easy transition to a new government, but Iran’s protests were squashed and the regime didn’t give them a chance. Egypt attempted a similar strategy to Iran, but the Egyptian protesters were ultimately given an assist by the Army, who decided Mubarak was done. The IRGC in Iran remained loyal to the regime, that’s the difference.

Armies make the difference, not merely an individual’s right to bear arms.

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makeitstop  Oct 13, 2015 • 8:55:38am

re: #416 SteveMcGaziBolaGate

Someday Brian May’s guitar will go up for auction. Many legendary guitarists used a bunch of different guitars during their careers, but he used his handmade guitar almost exclusively his entire career.

I’m really not too sure that May’s family will ever part with that guitar. Not only is it an iconic guitar through its use in Queen, but it was built by May and his father.

It’s not like they’re auctioning a factory Strat like Jimi’s guitars - Fender was sending Jimi whatever he asked for, to the point that he was giving them away to friends or smashing/burning them on stage.

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Great White Snark  Oct 13, 2015 • 8:55:47am

Good morning, little drive by had to share how hipsters got called in as ISIS terrorists

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HappyWarrior  Oct 13, 2015 • 8:56:33am

re: #468 Great White Snark

Good morning, little drive by had to share how hipsters got called in as ISIS terrorists

Yeah I saw that. I picked a bad time to start growing my winter beard I guess. Maybe I should open carry my flask just to be safe.

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Barefoot Grin  Oct 13, 2015 • 8:56:48am

re: #434 calochortus

Better circumstances in the last few years have helped me forget how important this issue was to me. As a working grad student we got a crappy policy through a company called MegaLife. I spent hours and hours trying to work through their various refusals to pay when my wife was pregnant and after the birth of our first child. Then, as an adjunct—nothing. For a couple of years we went uninsured (I put our kid on SCHIPS, I think it was—so yeah, I’m a mooch). Finally I got that full-time work, but was livid over the fight against ACA in the name of preserving these shitty policies. I’m ashamed that I’ve forgotten how much of my brain and life it occupied.

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Bubblehead II  Oct 13, 2015 • 8:57:23am

re: #461 b_sharp

I need some help my fellow lizards.

Even with all of the preoccupation with politics, I’m afraid I have a serious question outside of politics to ask, hoping your wisdom can help me.

Ok, here’s the question.

Do I have lemon pie or pumpkin pie for breakfast?

Pumpkin if you also have ice cream. Otherwise go with the lemon.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 13, 2015 • 8:57:28am

re: #461 b_sharp

I need some help my fellow lizards.

Even with all of the preoccupation with politics, I’m afraid I have a serious question outside of politics to ask, hoping your wisdom can help me.

Ok, here’s the question.

Do I have lemon pie or pumpkin pie for breakfast?

God this is the toughest question ever. Actually, I got a pretty easy solution. Some of both. Win-win. Hope your Thanksgiving dinner went well. Just thinking about that meal gets me hungry, well that and I am quickly approaching my lunch break.

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Stanley Sea Toujours  Oct 13, 2015 • 8:57:46am

re: #461 b_sharp

I need some help my fellow lizards.

Even with all of the preoccupation with politics, I’m afraid I have a serious question outside of politics to ask, hoping your wisdom can help me.

Ok, here’s the question.

Do I have lemon pie or pumpkin pie for breakfast?

Pumpkin

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Timothy Watson  Oct 13, 2015 • 8:58:37am

re: #408 lawhawk

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The more I see stories about the Clinton servers and the breathless headlines indicating that they could have been hacked or attempted hacking was identified, I can’t help but note that every computer server faces those risks - from the DoD and other USG servers on down. It’s a constant and never ending problem, especially with financial hackers, espionage (corporate and government), and identity thieves, to name but a few kinds/profiles.

Apologies for the Battlestar Galactica tangent, but I always loved the scene when he decided to go against every precedent and network the ship’s computers so they could locate the civilian fleet after the misjump at the beginning of season 2. First time I started to like the character.

Then Ellen Tigh promptly screwed that up two or three episodes later.

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Targetpractice  Oct 13, 2015 • 8:59:18am

re: #466 lawhawk

Blast from past:

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Yeah, just ignore all the guns owned by Iranians. That really helped.

Or that the Iraqis have tons of guns, and it hasn’t helped them either (either as fighting off a dictator like Saddam, or dealing with the rise/spread of ISIL).

The Arab Spring took in some countries, but not Iran - and guns didn’t help/harm. Tunisia saw a relatively easy transition to a new government, but Iran’s protests were squashed and the regime didn’t give them a chance. Egypt attempted a similar strategy to Iran, but the Egyptian protesters were ultimately given an assist by the Army, who decided Mubarak was done. The IRGC in Iran remained loyal to the regime, that’s the difference.

Armies make the difference, not merely an individual’s right to bear arms.

These are morons who still think that if we’d given some “help” to the revolutionaries back in ‘09, the regime would have been thrown out and Iran would be “free.” What that “help” was? They never say, but any sort of help that would have made a difference would have been impossible to conceal, and would have likely been rejected by the revolutionaries on the grounds that they didn’t want to give any more ammo to a regime already accusing them of being agents of the US.

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lawhawk  Oct 13, 2015 • 9:00:14am

re: #475 Targetpractice

GOPers seem to be permanently stuck in revisionist history land. Never working with the world as it is, only as they wish it to be.

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sagehen  Oct 13, 2015 • 9:00:40am

re: #422 SteveMcGaziBolaGate

Jeb? IS smarter than his brother. Jeb?’s problem is his worldview forces him into making dumb statements. You simply can’t be a right winger and say anything that makes sense. They’re just incompatible.

Dubya had very smart puppetmasters (evil, but very smart) to disguise his idiocy. Jeb! is working without strings, without a harness, without a net… so his actual true self is sadly visible.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 13, 2015 • 9:01:01am

re: #466 lawhawk

Blast from past:

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Yeah, just ignore all the guns owned by Iranians. That really helped.

Or that the Iraqis have tons of guns, and it hasn’t helped them either (either as fighting off a dictator like Saddam, or dealing with the rise/spread of ISIL).

The Arab Spring took in some countries, but not Iran - and guns didn’t help/harm. Tunisia saw a relatively easy transition to a new government, but Iran’s protests were squashed and the regime didn’t give them a chance. Egypt attempted a similar strategy to Iran, but the Egyptian protesters were ultimately given an assist by the Army, who decided Mubarak was done. The IRGC in Iran remained loyal to the regime, that’s the difference.

Armies make the difference, not merely an individual’s right to bear arms.

He’s an idiot. And you’re right. The big difference in the end is armies not hte right to bear arms. As much as we love to talk abotu the minutemen in our own revolution, it took the help of foreign empires not just the French but also the Spanish to beat and that’s a loose term since it’s more to say we outlasted the British.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 13, 2015 • 9:01:35am

re: #477 sagehen

Dubya had very smart puppetmasters (evil, but very smart) to disguise his idiocy. Jeb! is working without strings, without a harness, without a net… so his actual true self is sadly visible.

From what I see, JEb has a lot of the same advisers.

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sagehen  Oct 13, 2015 • 9:02:30am

re: #428 HappyWarrior

FWIW I think the smartest one in the family is the father. H.W has more street smarts than either of his sons all 4 of his sons added together too.

ftfy

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HappyWarrior  Oct 13, 2015 • 9:03:27am

re: #480 sagehen

ftfy

Yeah easily.

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Lidane  Oct 13, 2015 • 9:04:05am

re: #466 lawhawk

Armies make the difference, not merely an individual’s right to bear arms.

Iraqis totally could’ve overthrown Saddam if they’d had more guns!

Syrians can defeat ISIS by themselves if they have more guns!

The Cambodians could’ve stopped the Khmer Rouge if they’d had more guns!

The Jews could’ve prevented the Holocaust if they’d had guns!

Same tone deaf, deeply offensive, ignorant horseshit, different day.

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It's on his hat!  Oct 13, 2015 • 9:05:35am

Did GHWB ever walk back his comments on how atheists shouldn’t be citizens?

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lawhawk  Oct 13, 2015 • 9:05:35am

Meanwhile, a SMOTI retweet of this:

Let’s just ignore that global climate hitting record warmth is planetary, not just a region or even a continent. There’s a reason it’s called global warming - not merely regional warming.

Some regions can experience colder/extreme weather resulting from global temps rising - and warmer temps can result in extreme snow events. With the Great Lakes, this is particularly true. Warm weather followed by winds out of Canada bring down cold air over the warm lakes causing the kind of record lake effect snows. Those snows finally shut down when the wind changes direction, or ultimately when the lakes freeze over. A couple of years where the lakes freeze over sufficiently doesn’t disprove global warming, not when temps in the US (or even in NYC metro or NYS) are still reaching record levels year over year.

And ocean temps are creeping up as well.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 13, 2015 • 9:06:29am
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SteveMcGaziBolaGate  Oct 13, 2015 • 9:11:36am

re: #479 HappyWarrior

From what I see, JEb has a lot of the same advisers.

This is what Jeb? should do: Ask the adviser for advice, and do the opposite.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Oct 13, 2015 • 9:17:08am

re: #466 lawhawk

haha

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Dr. Matt  Oct 13, 2015 • 9:17:32am

re: #468 Great White Snark

Good morning, little drive by had to share how hipsters got called in as ISIS terrorists

Hipsters vs. Terrorists. Tough call on who to hang out with.

///

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b_sharp  Oct 13, 2015 • 9:17:34am

Lemon.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Oct 13, 2015 • 9:21:53am

GotNwes postpones sleep to bring you the latest nwes:

BREAKING! Did Chuck Johnson miss a court deadline? Technically, yes, he did

In the cliffhanger court case of the century, if not the millennium, blogger Chuck C. Johnson and his deadline-challenged attorney have asked for yet another extension — their third — to respond to a motion to dismiss Johnson’s libel suit against gawker.com.

That response was due Friday the 9th, but curiously nothing showed up on the docket. Over the weekend, Johnson assured everyone in a Facebook status (above) that they had not missed any deadlines, and then quickly changed the subject. [His Facebook page is now gone, by the way. See below.]

Another request for an extension was filed officially Monday, so technically speaking, Johnson didn’t miss the deadline, but he also didn’t respond to Gawker’s motion.

So, yeah, he missed the deadline.

More

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Charles Johnson  Oct 13, 2015 • 9:22:04am

LOL!

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Oct 13, 2015 • 9:23:14am

re: #491 Charles Johnson

The shorter version of the request for an extension. haha

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lawhawk  Oct 13, 2015 • 9:25:42am

re: #491 Charles Johnson

His crack legal team screwed up (or weren’t provided with the information by Chucky) and therefore couldn’t file by the court designated deadline. The lawyers then filed an after-deadline filing requesting another extension.

So yeah, that crack legal staff admits that they missed the deadline.

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Charles Johnson  Oct 13, 2015 • 9:26:55am

Even LOLIER…

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The Vicious Babushka  Oct 13, 2015 • 9:27:52am

re: #494 Charles Johnson

Even LOLIER…

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LOL is he talking about that guy who pretended to be a Gawker editor and then pwn3d him?

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Oct 13, 2015 • 9:30:15am

re: #494 Charles Johnson

His FB page back up?

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Jebediah, RBG  Oct 13, 2015 • 9:31:18am

re: #180 SteveMcGaziBolaGate

The Ramones were posers? WTF is your definition of poser?

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Oct 13, 2015 • 9:36:24am

re: #496 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

Here’s why his page went missing.

I don’t want be banned from Facebook, too!
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Dr. Matt  Oct 13, 2015 • 9:36:32am

re: #497 Jebediah, RBG

The Ramones were posers? WTF is your definition of poser?

LOL!!! The Ramones…..posers….HAHAHA

I never use “LOL”, but I’ll make an exception this once.

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lawhawk  Oct 13, 2015 • 9:36:57am

re: #484 lawhawk

As if on cue:

Note that the region that includes the Great Lakes was below average, but there’s an even greater percentage of the nation that was much warmer than average. In fact, record warmth.

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It's on his hat!  Oct 13, 2015 • 9:37:20am

re: #497 Jebediah, RBG

The Ramones were posers? WTF is your definition of poser?

That, and I don’t get labeling Talking Heads as punk, or posers.

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Dr. Matt  Oct 13, 2015 • 9:39:43am

re: #498 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

Here’s why his page went missing.

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Gotnews has de-evolved into a combination of Page 6/tabloid rubbish. Bravo, CCJ, bravo.

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The Vicious Babushka  Oct 13, 2015 • 9:41:07am

Wingnut Twitter is having a collective seizure over the girl who provoked Trump’s I HAVE YOOGE BINDERS FULL OF WOMENS!!!!!!!! hissy fit.

She is part of Jeb Bush’s staff.

Whoopty do.

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Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Oct 13, 2015 • 9:43:58am

re: #498 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

Here’s why his page went missing.

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When CCJ gets done smashing Gawker, he’s going to deeeestroy Twitter and takeover Facebook.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Oct 13, 2015 • 9:44:31am

re: #502 Dr. Matt

Gotnews has de-evolved into a combination of Page 6/tabloid rubbish. Bravo, CCJ, bravo.

I’m waiting for one of those people to sue HIM for libel. Ellmers has already threatened.

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Oct 13, 2015 • 9:45:15am

re: #466 lawhawk

Blast from past:

I have a feeling the situation in Iran would be a little different if they had a 2nd amendment like ours.

Yes, armed citizens could have resisted the CIA coup to oust the democratically elected socialist president in 1956, the Shah would not have been reinstated and the 1979 Islamist Revolution might not ever have happened…

But that is not what Rubio had in mind…

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Higgs Boson's Mate  Oct 13, 2015 • 9:46:23am

re: #484 lawhawk

The latest conclusions I’m seeing is that North America will become colder as the Atlantic conveyors weaken. The wingers will never get that because they conflate “weather” with “climate” though they will cite climate figures when they think that will bolster their argument.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 13, 2015 • 9:46:39am

re: #500 lawhawk

As if on cue:

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Note that the region that includes the Great Lakes was below average, but there’s an even greater percentage of the nation that was much warmer than average. In fact, record warmth.

Yeah but it wasn’t cold where I live so therefore global warming is a lie. //

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Oct 13, 2015 • 9:47:47am

OK, up past my bedtime to cover all this fascinating UpChuck news. Now, it’s time to recuperate.

Later, y’all

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HappyWarrior  Oct 13, 2015 • 9:47:58am

I admire Al Gore but man I really think more people would take this seriously if he weren’t the face of the movement. Not that he’s wrong or that it’s not a worthy cause. Just hate to see that so many people don’t take it seriously because they dislike or hate Gore.

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It's on his hat!  Oct 13, 2015 • 9:50:02am

re: #510 HappyWarrior

I admire Al Gore but man I really think more people would take this seriously if he weren’t the face of the movement. Not that he’s wrong or that it’s not a worthy cause. Just hate to see that so many people don’t take it seriously because they dislike or hate Gore.

My dad is like that.

Hates Gore’s guts for some reason, and always brings up the stupid “I invented the Internet!” meme whenever his name comes up.

We’ve never had a long discussion about climate change but I can guess where that would go (and that’s part of the reason I avoid the topic).

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HappyWarrior  Oct 13, 2015 • 9:50:31am

He sure is great at making friends whereever he goes isn’t he? Maybe he’ll ask Renee Ellmers to join him for a drink when this is through.

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Belafon  Oct 13, 2015 • 9:50:48am

re: #510 HappyWarrior

I admire Al Gore but man I really think more people would take this seriously if he weren’t the face of the movement. Not that he’s wrong or that it’s not a worthy cause. Just hate to see that so many people don’t take it seriously because they dislike or hate Gore.

Doubt it. Exxon still has to make money.

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The Vicious Babushka  Oct 13, 2015 • 9:51:19am
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HappyWarrior  Oct 13, 2015 • 9:51:36am

re: #511 It’s on his hat!

My dad is like that.

Hates Gore’s guts for some reason, and always brings up the stupid “I invented the Internet!” meme whenever his name comes up.

We’ve never had a long discussion about climate change but I can guess where that would go (and that’s part of the reason I avoid the topic).

I suspect there are a lot of people like your Dad out there. It’s frustrating. I mean I hope I did not sound as if I have a problem with Gore himself, I don’t but it just sucks that the whole idea gets discredited because people still belive the stupid anti Gore lies from 2000.

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dharmamark  Oct 13, 2015 • 9:52:37am

re: #445 Dr. Matt

Kanye?

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HappyWarrior  Oct 13, 2015 • 9:52:53am

re: #513 Belafon

Doubt it. Exxon still has to make money.

Well I didn’t say the climate change denial movement would be gone. Jim Inhofe would deny and deny no matter what but I really think part of the reason you have so many adamant deniers is the Gore connection. Maybe I’m off here. I dunno. Did anyone here switch from being a skeptic to a believer on the issue?

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The Vicious Babushka  Oct 13, 2015 • 9:53:58am

re: #511 It’s on his hat!

My dad is like that.

Hates Gore’s guts for some reason, and always brings up the stupid “I invented the Internet!” meme whenever his name comes up.

We’ve never had a long discussion about climate change but I can guess where that would go (and that’s part of the reason I avoid the topic).

Al Gore sponsored legislation that would open DARPANET for public use, so in that sense he did legally “invent” The Internet.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 13, 2015 • 9:56:04am

re: #518 The Vicious Babushka

Al Gore sponsored legislation that would open DARPANET for public use, so in that sense he did legally “invent” The Internet.

Right.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 13, 2015 • 9:56:50am

The Al Gore claimed he invented the internet thing was the “You didn’t build that” of 2000.

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It's on his hat!  Oct 13, 2015 • 9:56:55am

re: #518 The Vicious Babushka

Al Gore sponsored legislation that would open DARPANET for public use, so in that sense he did legally “invent” The Internet.

Yeah, I’m aware of that. IIRC, the original quote from Gore himself was “I took an initiative in creating the Internet” and people wrongly/purposefully conflated that with “I invented the Internet” so that folks like my dad could mock him for perceived puffery.

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Oct 13, 2015 • 9:56:57am

re: #510 HappyWarrior

I admire Al Gore but man I really think more people would take this seriously if he weren’t the face of the movement. Not that he’s wrong or that it’s not a worthy cause. Just hate to see that so many people don’t take it seriously because they dislike or hate Gore.

Yes, it was a mistake on his part to think that he could place himself above partisan politics to champion a global cause.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 13, 2015 • 9:57:45am

re: #522 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

Yes, it was a mistake on his part to think that he could place himself above partisan politics to champion a global cause.

In hindsight, I think that’s where you can really see the start of things going downhill.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 13, 2015 • 9:58:26am

re: #521 It’s on his hat!

Yeah, I’m aware of that. IIRC, the original quote from Gore himself was “I took an initiative in creating the Internet” and people wrongly/purposefully conflated that with “I invented the Internet” so that folks like my dad could mock him for perceived puffery.

As I said, it was the “You didn’t build that” moment of 2000. And you pretty much got the original Gore quote down but that didn’t stop my moronic 8th grade classmates from perrotting their wingnut folks.

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SteveMcGaziBolaGate  Oct 13, 2015 • 9:58:59am

re: #497 Jebediah, RBG

This is a subjective definition, but the way I see a poser is somebody who pretendes to be something they aren’t. In my examples, Elvis Costello once mocked Billy Joel’s “Just the Way You Are” (which IS truly dreadful) as an example of someone who wanted to make a sappy high selling single. He also famously infuriated Lorne Michaels when he changed songs when he appeared on SNL. That seems rebellious enough, but Costello also said in an interview in the 80s on my local station that he was influenced by ABBA and he wanted to incorporate the “Rachmaninoff like piano cascade from “Dancing Queen” into “Oliver’s Army”. He covered other singles “Alison” springs to mind and performed with Bert Bacharach in one of the Austin Powers movies. As an artist, that’s his prerogative, but he was the one who mocked mainstream stuff, so that makes him a poser. Blondie and the Talking Heads started out as punkish (new wave, I sort of forget if there was a distinction) and went mainstream as well, but I guess I don’t feel as strongly about them as Costello.
I felt The Ramones had a lot in common with The Beach Boys. It has been a long time, so I can’t remember all of the songs made me feel that way. “Rock and Roll High School” and “I Want to be Sedated” come to mind right off the top, however. So in my endless fashion of providing a long answer, The Ramones were posers because the fostered a reputation as rebels when they were just as establishment as the people they were trying to rebel against or be different from. Speaking as an old timer who’s seen a lot, whether you grow your hair long, wear leather, skimpy clothes, whatever, it’s all a costume.

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SteveMcGaziBolaGate  Oct 13, 2015 • 10:00:36am

re: #501 It’s on his hat!

That, and I don’t get labeling Talking Heads as punk, or posers.

Buried in my long answer is a comment that I don’t feel as strongly about them as Elvis Costello.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 13, 2015 • 10:01:58am

Well if we’re going to be talking music. I have to say I always loathed the nu-metal genre but I imagine I’m not alone in that here. I’ve come to like rap more as I’ve gotten older. Still never gong to be in metal that much though.

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Charles Johnson  Oct 13, 2015 • 10:02:21am

Chuck’s Facebook page vanished for a while because he was shut down by Facebook for his posts about doxxing Ashley Madison members, especially federal prosecutors. Weev also got put on notice.

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Mike Lamb  Oct 13, 2015 • 10:03:11am

re: #484 lawhawk

Meanwhile, a SMOTI retweet of this:

[Embedded content]

Let’s just ignore that global climate hitting record warmth is planetary, not just a region or even a continent. There’s a reason it’s called global warming - not merely regional warming.

Some regions can experience colder/extreme weather resulting from global temps rising - and warmer temps can result in extreme snow events. With the Great Lakes, this is particularly true. Warm weather followed by winds out of Canada bring down cold air over the warm lakes causing the kind of record lake effect snows. Those snows finally shut down when the wind changes direction, or ultimately when the lakes freeze over. A couple of years where the lakes freeze over sufficiently doesn’t disprove global warming, not when temps in the US (or even in NYC metro or NYS) are still reaching record levels year over year.

And ocean temps are creeping up as well.

What would be the point of NOAA and NASA engaging in “fraud” of this nature?

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It's on his hat!  Oct 13, 2015 • 10:03:31am

re: #526 SteveMcGaziBolaGate

Buried in my long answer is a comment that I don’t feel as strongly about them as Elvis Costello.

Not my era, so I can’t really comment. I just enjoy the music for what it is (Talking Heads and Blondie for sure; Costello and the Ramones, not as much — with the ironic exception of the two more mainstream singles you mentioned).

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SteveMcGaziBolaGate  Oct 13, 2015 • 10:04:00am

re: #527 HappyWarrior

Metal has a place, but like any genre, i feel there has to be a song in there somewhere.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 13, 2015 • 10:05:16am

re: #531 SteveMcGaziBolaGate

Metal has a place, but like any genre, i feel there has to be a song in there somewhere.

Right, there’s no genre I outright hate honestly but I do want songs not just screaming.

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Barefoot Grin  Oct 13, 2015 • 10:05:52am

A lot of the punks were posers, too.

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SteveMcGaziBolaGate  Oct 13, 2015 • 10:06:39am

I can’t imagine how hard it must be to write a song today that doesn’t already sound like something else.

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lawhawk  Oct 13, 2015 • 10:09:41am

re: #529 Mike Lamb

Forget it. It’s an unsupported assertion. No proof. The facts all suggest otherwise.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 13, 2015 • 10:09:42am

I try to set my own identity musically. Band I saw last Saturday, they’re called “beach goth” but next month I am seeing Dave Rawlings who is very Americana. Being your own person is tough especially as a teenager because there’s all these cliches and especially at that age tons of labels that you feel forced to subscribe to. I just realize that somethings I am into may contradict others and that’s fine.

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The Vicious Babushka  Oct 13, 2015 • 10:09:45am

No open bar?

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Decatur Deb  Oct 13, 2015 • 10:10:27am

re: #533 Barefoot Grin

A lot of the punks were posers, too.

I have my suspicions about P.D.Q. Bach.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 13, 2015 • 10:10:37am

I do hope that Bad Lip Reading does tonight’s debate. They still haven’t put up the second GOP one yet though.

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It's on his hat!  Oct 13, 2015 • 10:11:37am

re: #532 HappyWarrior

Right, there’s no genre I outright hate honestly but I do want songs not just screaming.

There’s plenty of metal that doesn’t involve screaming, and even some of the screamers occasionally do beautiful vocals, e.g. Metallica.

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Timothy Watson  Oct 13, 2015 • 10:12:28am

re: #514 The Vicious Babushka

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Cue the HE DIDN’T CALL IT TERRORISM!1!! still I bet.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 13, 2015 • 10:13:16am

re: #540 It’s on his hat!

There’s plenty of metal that doesn’t involve screaming, and even some of the screamers occasionally do beautiful vocals, e.g. Metallica.

Oh I know that. I was more thinking of the subgenre “Screamo” when I said that. Metal’s really not my thing but music is meant to be subjective. One thing though, I will never get KISS and it’s not just becaue Simmons is a right wing asshole.

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The Vicious Babushka  Oct 13, 2015 • 10:13:18am

Just a thought

If Twitter existed during the Holocaust and Jews were actually using guns against the nazis, the wingnuts would have a hashtag #SSLivesMatter

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Barefoot Grin  Oct 13, 2015 • 10:14:03am

re: #538 Decatur Deb

I have my suspicions about P.D.Q. Bach.

Ha! That took me by surprise. We sang some P.D.Q. Bach in our high school madrigal choir—such fun.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 13, 2015 • 10:14:17am

re: #543 The Vicious Babushka

Just a thought

If Twitter existed during the Holocaust and Jews were actually using guns against the nazis, the wingnuts would have a hashtag #SSLivesMatter

I dunno about that per say but I do know Goebells would have a field day.

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The Vicious Babushka  Oct 13, 2015 • 10:14:22am

re: #541 Timothy Watson

Cue the HE DIDN’T CALL IT TERRORISM!1!! still I bet.

Actually did use the T word just not the MT word.

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iossarian  Oct 13, 2015 • 10:14:31am

re: #543 The Vicious Babushka

Just a thought

If Twitter existed during the Holocaust and Jews were actually using guns against the nazis, the wingnuts would have a hashtag #SSLivesMatter

“They do a tough job and deserve our respect.”

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It's on his hat!  Oct 13, 2015 • 10:14:37am

re: #542 HappyWarrior

Oh I know that. I was more thinking of the subgenre “Screamo” when I said that. Metal’s really not my thing but music is meant to be subjective. One thing though, I will never get KISS and it’s not just becaue Simmons is a right wing asshole.

KISS is terrible.

There, I said it.

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Franklin  Oct 13, 2015 • 10:14:40am

re: #511 It’s on his hat!

My dad is like that.

Hates Gore’s guts for some reason, and always brings up the stupid “I invented the Internet!” meme whenever his name comes up.

We’ve never had a long discussion about climate change but I can guess where that would go (and that’s part of the reason I avoid the topic).

I had never read the defense of the comment Gore made, I just assumed (correctly) that it was much to do about nothing. But I just read the Snopes article and it’s pretty interesting. Vinton Cerf penned a wonderful defense of Gore and his efforts in the creation of the Internet.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 13, 2015 • 10:15:23am

re: #548 It’s on his hat!

KISS is terrible.

There, I said it.

The worst thing is Smmons seems to think that it doesn’t matter beacuse he’s rich. Well shit Gene, Robert Johnson was buried in a pauper’s grave and he was 1000X the musician you’ll ever be.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 13, 2015 • 10:15:54am

re: #547 iossarian

“They do a tough job and deserve our respect.”

Heh “They’d leave them alone if they just listened.”

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Barefoot Grin  Oct 13, 2015 • 10:16:02am

re: #548 It’s on his hat!

KISS is terrible.

There, I said it.

Except for “Beth.” What a tender and insightful song about having to choose between the boys and the wife.

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Ace-o-aces  Oct 13, 2015 • 10:16:49am

re: #528 Charles Johnson

Chuck’s Facebook page vanished for a while because he was shut down by Facebook for his posts about doxxing Ashley Madison members, especially federal prosecutors. Weev also got put on notice.

Only a matter of time until he gets banned there too. He has no self control.

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dell*nix  Oct 13, 2015 • 10:17:51am

Good thing I did not see this before going to sleep. I really do not need worse dreams.

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SteveMcGaziBolaGate  Oct 13, 2015 • 10:18:05am

I get a kick out of my Itunes library. That is really the source of what I like about music. By that I mean I found it interesting to see what I kept and what I didn’t bother to keep. For example, while I like Led Zeppelin and had 5 CDs, I have hardly any songs in my library. In fact, I saved more Carpenters (9) and Jethro Tull (14) songs then LZ songs (5) or Beatles (7) songs. I think I even have more Cat Stevens songs too (yup, 8).

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HappyWarrior  Oct 13, 2015 • 10:18:15am

Apparently Gene Simmons likes to trademark items like the monopoly money bag and the phrase “OJ”. He’s apparently a smart guy but man what an asshole. He really is. No surprise he’s a good friend of Dick Cheney’s which amuses the shit out of me given I believe Cheney’s wife is a moral majority type crusader who probably believed the KISS is satanic crap. KISS is worse than Satanic, it’s not good.

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Oct 13, 2015 • 10:18:58am

re: #548 It’s on his hat!

KISS is terrible.

There, I said it.

KISS is a successful business. They are good at moving product and marketing a brand, and for that (and only that) I respect them.

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Decatur Deb  Oct 13, 2015 • 10:19:30am

The price of maintaining the confederacy:

Hawaii Leads U.S. in Financial Well-Being; Mississippi Last

gallup.com

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CuriousLurker  Oct 13, 2015 • 10:20:07am

Before Charles puts up a new thread:

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HappyWarrior  Oct 13, 2015 • 10:21:19am

re: #559 CuriousLurker

Before Charles puts up a new thread:

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Can’t help but to think of that one Family Guy episode where Peter is shocked to find out Jesus is Jewish.

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SteveMcGaziBolaGate  Oct 13, 2015 • 10:21:52am

re: #548 It’s on his hat!

KISS is terrible.

There, I said it.

I wonder if how things would be if they had written better lyrics, like they did for “Beth”. There are some good licks and good playing, but the lyrics often make the songs stupid. Bad lyrics kill songs. My favorite example is “We Built This City” by Starship. It’s often at the wrong end of worst song lists, but with different lyrics, it might not be half bad.

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It's on his hat!  Oct 13, 2015 • 10:22:00am

re: #558 Decatur Deb

The price of maintaining the confederacy:

Hawaii Leads U.S. in Financial Well-Being; Mississippi Last

Embedded Image

gallup.com

We’re #6! We’re #6!

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sagehen  Oct 13, 2015 • 10:22:19am

re: #525 SteveMcGaziBolaGate

This is a subjective definition, but the way I see a poser is somebody who pretendes to be something they aren’t. In my examples, Elvis Costello once….

My favorite Elvis Costello poser moment was the one that ended with Bonnie Bramlett punching him in the face. He absolutely deserved it.

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It's on his hat!  Oct 13, 2015 • 10:23:02am

re: #561 SteveMcGaziBolaGate

I wonder if how things would be if they had written better lyrics, like they did for “Beth”. There are some good licks and good playing, but the lyrics often make the songs stupid. Bad lyrics kill songs. My favorite example is “We Built This City” by Starship. It’s often at the wrong end of worst song lists, but with different lyrics, it might not be half bad.

Sorry, the lyrics are the worst part of that song, but the rest of it is schlock, too.

And now I have that damn earworm in my head. Thanks, Steve! //

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Tigger2  Oct 13, 2015 • 10:25:14am

re: #296 The Vicious Babushka

STUPIDEST TWEET OF THE DAY==>

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SteveMcGaziBolaGate  Oct 13, 2015 • 10:25:51am

re: #564 It’s on his hat!

Sorry, the lyrics are the worst part of that song, but the rest of it is schlock, too.

And now I have that damn earworm in my head. Thanks, Steve! //

Rx:

“Cover of the Rolling Stone”

For earworms

Dr. Hook.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 13, 2015 • 10:26:13am

re: #565 Tigger2

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Seriously. Oh and the Democrats have had an African American candidate in each of their primaries since at least 1984 with the exception of 2000 with Gore and Bradley.

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Eric The Fruit Bat  Oct 13, 2015 • 10:39:09am

re: #110 The War TARDIS

First the Cubs have to make it out of the NLDS and win the Pennant. Then if the win the World Series is when we may have to worry.

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Eric The Fruit Bat  Oct 13, 2015 • 11:02:09am

re: #254 Doofus

Check the model number of the Kenmore dishwasher, as Sears uses multiple manufacturers for their appliances-there are cross-references on the web to find out who actually made them. It will usually be 3 digits, a period, then anywhere from 5 to 7 digits.

That’s who the culprit manufacturer is. As of late, Sears sources from different manufacturers for each appliance type.

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Jebediah, RBG  Oct 13, 2015 • 11:15:44am

re: #525 SteveMcGaziBolaGate

The Ramones were posers because the fostered a reputation as rebels when they were just as establishment as the people they were trying to rebel against or be different from.

The Ramones didn’t “foster a reputation” - they started doing their own thing - predating the UK punks - and continued doing their own thing for the rest of their careers. They had their own idea of how rock and roll should sound, and they pursued it, even though they never got the commercial success they felt they deserved. Are you saying they were establishment because they weren’t on a tiny indie label (most of which didn’t exist in 1975-1976?)
One interesting thing about them is their part in sparking Black Flag - Greg Ginn bought a George Benson double album, and one of the discs was actually The Ramones’ first album. He says that is when he decided to learn guitar and start his own band.
Less interesting is that Dee Dee once handed me a towel.

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Offered as a counteractant to any unwanted earworms:

Up on the roof, out on the street
Down in the playground the hot concrete
Bus ride is too slow
They blast out the disco on the radio

Rock Rock Rockaway Beach
Rock Rock Rockaway Beach
Rock Rock Rockaway Beach
We can hitch a ride to Rockaway Beach
It’s not hard, not far to reach
We can hitch a ride to Rockaway Beach

Rockaway Beach was their highest-charting single. It made it all teh way to number 66. Establishment!


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