Chuck Johnson’s Lawyer Responds to Gawker’s Lawyers: Please Have Pity on Me, Judge

Won’t you have pity on a poor solitary country lawyer?
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Chuck Johnson’s lawyer responds to the Gawker legal team’s scathing answer to his third request for more time, by accusing them of floating “conspiracy theories,” complaining that he’s “reached physical exhaustion,” and pleading with the judge to have mercy because he’s just one guy helped out by one intern.

Of course, Chuck Johnson and Jonathan Burns are the ones who filed the lawsuit in the first place. Maybe they should have considered the possibility of this disparity before suing?

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Will the judge grant their request for more time despite Chuck Johnson’s obvious bad faith? Only time will tell, dear reader.

(h/t: @AdamSteinbaugh.)

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Oct 13, 2015 • 8:25:45pm

I sincerely hope the judge’s response comes down to “tough shit.”

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Khal Wimpo  Oct 13, 2015 • 8:27:17pm

“as Plaintiff’s counsel reached physical exhaustion”

OFFS.

That kind of goddam whining doesn’t even merit an eye-roll from a hard-ass Federal judge.

How unprofessional.

I’ve been in chambers for stuff like this, when a judge snarled “You should have thought of that before you decided to play in the major leagues WITHOUT A FUCKING BAT! No! Your motion is denied.”

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KGxvi  Oct 13, 2015 • 8:27:44pm

There are times when a judge will be sympathetic to the “we’re just a small firm” argument, but missing a simple deadline like this is not one of those times. Those times are when a big firm does the old “document dump” move where they try and bury a small firm in millions of pages of bullshit. But failing to file an opposition on a straight forward motion, especially AFTER getting an extension? Yeah, no.

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Stanley Sea Toujours  Oct 13, 2015 • 8:28:01pm
Plaintiffs’ counsel reached physical exhaustion

LOL

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goddamnedfrank  Oct 13, 2015 • 8:28:52pm
Notably, Defendants fail to identify anything pled in their motion seeking additional time, amounting to something less than good cause.

Jesus Christ this guy can’t write for shit. It’s the Plaintiff’s motion (his) that sought additional time. The Defendant’s motion was in opposition to that.

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Whack-A-Mole  Oct 13, 2015 • 8:28:59pm

At least Chucky’s lawyer matched the day/date right this time.

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Reality Based Steve  Oct 13, 2015 • 8:29:07pm

re: #1 klys (maker of Silmarils)

I sincerely hope the judge’s response comes down to “tough shit.”

The legal doctrine know as “lenta stercore”.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Oct 13, 2015 • 8:29:22pm

If you read this motion, he asks for an extension to Oct. 17. His last request was for Oct. 16, so he’s asking for another extension on top of the one that hasn’t even been granted yet.

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Aunty Entity Dragon  Oct 13, 2015 • 8:29:31pm

re: #4 Stanley Sea Toujours

LOL

I laughed when I read that…

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Jay C  Oct 13, 2015 • 8:29:53pm

re: #4 Stanley Sea Toujours

Plaintiffs’ counsel reached physical exhaustion

LOL

From what? Cleaning poop off the floor?

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jaunte  Oct 13, 2015 • 8:30:14pm
“…And added to this, a loss of the Anti-SLAPP motion amounts to a legal fees penalty upon Plaintiffs”

The legal doctrine known as “No Shit, Sherlock.”

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Aunty Entity Dragon  Oct 13, 2015 • 8:31:10pm

I is soooo tired and my legal intern tuk a lunch brake and I haz no idea were she iz so pleese give me a brake yer honer.

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Stanley Sea Toujours  Oct 13, 2015 • 8:31:14pm

re: #6 Whack-A-Mole

At least Chucky’s lawyer matched the day/date right this time.

And correctly used LLC instead of Inc.

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teleskiguy  Oct 13, 2015 • 8:31:19pm

When UpChuck loses this ridiculous lawsuit and has to pay Gawker for incurred fees:

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Pawn of the Oppressor  Oct 13, 2015 • 8:31:23pm

re: #2 Khal Wimpo

“as Plaintiff’s counsel reached physical exhaustion”

OFFS.

That kind of goddam whining doesn’t even merit an eye-roll from a hard-ass Federal judge.

How unprofessional.

I’ve been in chambers for stuff like this, when a judge snarled “You should have thought of that before you decided to play in the major leagues WITHOUT A FUCKING BAT! No! Your motion is denied.”

Wow. Someday I want to have great judge stories like that!

(my legal career is embryonic at this time)

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Stanley Sea Toujours  Oct 13, 2015 • 8:31:47pm

re: #8 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

If you read this motion, he asks for an extension to Oct. 17. His last request was for Oct. 16, so he’s asking for another extension on top of the one that hasn’t even been granted yet.

Because he’s exhausted.

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Pawn of the Oppressor  Oct 13, 2015 • 8:32:27pm

…and I can see missing punctuation in the first paragraph. To his attorney, I say “HAVE YOU NO DIGNITY, SIR?”

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Reality Based Steve  Oct 13, 2015 • 8:33:59pm

re: #15 Pawn of the Oppressor

Wow. Someday I want to have great judge stories like that!

(my legal career is embryonic at this time)

My legal career has consisted of “Yes, your Honor” and “I promise I’ll never do that again your Honor”.

RBS

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Stanley Sea Toujours  Oct 13, 2015 • 8:35:52pm
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It's on his hat!  Oct 13, 2015 • 8:36:03pm

I think someone may be messing with this poll just a tad.

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goddamnedfrank  Oct 13, 2015 • 8:36:12pm

Clearly I am overwhelmed by the herculean effort involved here, evidenced by all the law I’m conspicuously not citing. More time plz!

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Ace-o-aces  Oct 13, 2015 • 8:38:47pm

From the “what right-wing racism” department…

I can see conservatives trying to defend this by saying, “No, he specifically mentioned North Korea, and therefore it’s perfectly OK to use an offensive Asian stereotype.”

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Joe Bacon  Oct 13, 2015 • 8:39:03pm

Ginger Snapped’s lawyer pulls out all the stops..

James Brown ♬PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE

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goddamnedfrank  Oct 13, 2015 • 8:39:36pm

re: #21 It’s on his hat!

I think someone may be messing with this poll just a tad.

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Charles Johnson  Oct 13, 2015 • 8:40:47pm

Adam Steinbaugh seems to think the judge will have pity on this sad sack anyway.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Oct 13, 2015 • 8:41:14pm

re: #22 goddamnedfrank

Clearly I am overwhelmed by the herculean effort involved here, evidenced by all the law I’m conspicuously not citing. More time plz!

If I were this guy’s client, I’d fire him and get another attorney. Too bad Chuck has no options at this point.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 13, 2015 • 8:42:30pm

re: #23 Ace-o-aces

From the “what right-wing racism” department…

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I can see conservatives trying to defend this by saying, “No, he specifically mentioned North Korea, and therefore it’s perfectly OK to use an offensive Asian stereotype.”

He said North Korea because he’s too cowardly to say Koreans knowing that would get more bliwback. He’s a pathetic old bigoted shithead.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Oct 13, 2015 • 8:42:45pm

re: #26 Charles Johnson

Adam Steinbaugh seems to think the judge will have pity on this sad sack anyway.

If I were a judge, I’d say tough shit. You had three chances and you blew all of them.

Believe me, teachers would make tough judges in cases like this.

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goddamnedfrank  Oct 13, 2015 • 8:43:32pm

“Plaintiffs’ counsel reached physical exhaustion” is the saddest trombone ever.

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Tigger2  Oct 13, 2015 • 8:43:32pm

Wayne Newton is supporting Trump, what a dumbass. but then again he’s a Republican so it’s understandable.

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teleskiguy  Oct 13, 2015 • 8:44:47pm
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Stanley Sea Toujours  Oct 13, 2015 • 8:44:49pm

re: #23 Ace-o-aces

From the “what right-wing racism” department…

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I can see conservatives trying to defend this by saying, “No, he specifically mentioned North Korea, and therefore it’s perfectly OK to use an offensive Asian stereotype.”

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Whack-A-Mole  Oct 13, 2015 • 8:45:06pm

re: #23 Ace-o-aces

Huckabee follows up a tweet about how racism is a sin problem with a tweet like that. (Not even going to touch the whole thing about his son and dogs). Can you get any more fucking clueless?

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KGxvi  Oct 13, 2015 • 8:45:56pm

re: #23 Ace-o-aces

well, I’ll be damned, they really are trying to see if they can win an election with pretty much zero support from racial minorities… that’s, um, brave?

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goddamnedfrank  Oct 13, 2015 • 8:46:03pm
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HappyWarrior  Oct 13, 2015 • 8:46:08pm

re: #33 Stanley Sea Toujours

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Yeah because you were talking about the dictatorship Fuckabee. Go away Mike and go fuck your self.

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jaunte  Oct 13, 2015 • 8:47:08pm

ExGov Mike Huckabee is just months away from selling reverse mortgages to old people who don’t know any better.

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Aunty Entity Dragon  Oct 13, 2015 • 8:47:34pm

re: #31 Tigger2

Wayne Newton is supporting Trump, what a dumbass. but then again he’s a Republican so it’s understandable.

They call him Mr Vegas but we wish he’d stay in Reno
His high pitched voice just ain’t the choice for Funky Frank and Dino…

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freetoken  Oct 13, 2015 • 8:47:59pm

re: #38 jaunte

ExGov Mike Huckabee is just months away from selling reverse mortgages to old people who don’t know any better.

He’s already had a peddling gig.

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stpaulbear  Oct 13, 2015 • 8:48:24pm
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Eric The Fruit Bat  Oct 13, 2015 • 8:49:48pm

I hope the ST. Louis judge transfers the case to CA so they can get this out of their hair and not look as stupid to the rest of the circuits when you’re dealing with such a whackjob.

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Tigger2  Oct 13, 2015 • 8:49:53pm

re: #39 Aunty Entity Dragon

They call him Mr Vegas but we wish he’d stay in Reno
His high pitched voice just ain’t the choice for Funky Frank and Dino…

The first time I heard him sing I had never seen him I thought it was a little girl singing.

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Ace-o-aces  Oct 13, 2015 • 8:50:09pm

Asshole….

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Charles Johnson  Oct 13, 2015 • 8:50:41pm
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Reality Based Steve  Oct 13, 2015 • 8:50:45pm

re: #36 goddamnedfrank

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Is that a “Legal Beagle”?

RBS

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HappyWarrior  Oct 13, 2015 • 8:51:29pm

Maybe a Democrat should joke about Huckabee’s wife is his sister. Ha ha.//

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teleskiguy  Oct 13, 2015 • 8:52:59pm
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SteveMcGaziBolaGate  Oct 13, 2015 • 8:55:37pm

re: #5 goddamnedfrank

Jesus Christ this guy can’t write for shit. It’s the Plaintiff’s motion (his) that sought additional time. The Defendant’s motion was in opposition to that.

Remember UpChuck is the persecuted party//

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Oct 13, 2015 • 8:57:00pm

re: #49 SteveMcGaziBolaGate

Dear Judge Shaw,

Please stick a fork in this case.

Thanks so much.

Us

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freetoken  Oct 13, 2015 • 8:57:20pm

While no doubt supporters of Sanders or Clinton think their candidate “won” tonight, I’m getting sort of miffed at the lack of critical analyses about some of their favorite talking points (e.g., free public colleges, dramatically raising minimum wages, etc.)

Also, while we can say there was more substance in tonight’s debate than in the previous GOP debates, that is a pretty low bar.

Trying to bribe college students for votes by telling them their college debts will disappear is pretty straightforward pandering. All politicians do that. It is the bread and butter of politics in American society.

Still, trying to present “free college” as some noble thought rather than what it is - a means to buy votes from young people - I find disingenuous.

All politics comes down to convincing people to take a few minutes out of their lives every few years to go push a lever or fill in a bubble for your name.

If there was anything noble about tonight it was highlighted by O’Malley when he pointed out that in the entire 2 hours there was no bashing of immigrants or people who are different. This I think is now the biggest difference between the two sets of primary campaigns.

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goddamnedfrank  Oct 13, 2015 • 8:57:31pm

We didn’t expect defendant’s counsel to vigorously represent their client’s interests WTF?

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Whack-A-Mole  Oct 13, 2015 • 8:59:02pm

Does anybody know if Huckabee is still affiliated with the Arkansas Baptist State Convention?

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goddamnedfrank  Oct 13, 2015 • 9:00:54pm
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Aunty Entity Dragon  Oct 13, 2015 • 9:05:14pm

Getting late here. See you all tomorrow

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Charles Johnson  Oct 13, 2015 • 9:06:14pm
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teleskiguy  Oct 13, 2015 • 9:06:49pm

re: #52 goddamnedfrank

We didn’t expect defendant’s counsel to vigorously represent their client’s interests WTF?

UpChuck’s lawyer’s firm has a Twitter account: @BurnsLawFirm

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Jenner7  Oct 13, 2015 • 9:07:27pm

So, Utah voted down their latest health plan to get more people insured (this is all to avoid taking federal money because Obamacare is evil or something). This was a plan by a Republican Governor. Our legislature is as bad as the Freedom Caucus.

ksl.com

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jaunte  Oct 13, 2015 • 9:07:43pm

re: #57 teleskiguy

My firm’s motto - Tireless Advocacy

Hey, wait a minute…

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Khal Wimpo  Oct 13, 2015 • 9:07:48pm

re: #26 Charles Johnson

Adam Steinbaugh seems to think the judge will have pity on this sad sack anyway.

Only thing that might save him: Judge wants to give him tons of leeway to make sure that dipshit has no basis on which to appeal, because he never wants to see him in his courtroom ever again.

Based on the elementary-school-level errors in his pleadings, this guy really is out of his depth. You don’t write like this. Not in Federal Court.

Again. The people who do this for a living do not like to see hucksters & amateurs with a dim grasp of the law and a crazy sense of entitlement walking in & expecting everything to go their way because reasons and shut up.

Big beat-down by Mr. Judge come soon.

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Reality Based Steve  Oct 13, 2015 • 9:08:50pm

I noticed in the court papers Plaintiff’s counsel also has a highly capable second year law student intern. Memo to self… don’t hire any law firm that brags about its interns.

RBS

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BeachDem  Oct 13, 2015 • 9:08:50pm

re: #31 Tigger2

Wayne Newton is supporting Trump, what a dumbass. but then again he’s a Republican so it’s understandable.

And couldn’t remember Fiorina’s name—called her “the woman” but said he liked her.

Missed the debate and tuned in just in time to watch Chris Matthews tongue-bathe Bernie (when he wasn’t interrupting him every time he tried to talk.) Then the Trump twitter story, then Wayne Fucking Newton—such a cogent political commenter.

Ugh—had to turn the whole thing off before I barfed. Will have to catch clips tomorrow, but Matthews was obnoxious and so not worth listening to.,

I’m tired (probably not as tired as upchuck’s lawyerm but…) and cranky, and just could not tolerate Matthew’s spittle-infused diatribe against Hillary.

Other than that, just 3 more days of this project and then I get to go home for four whole days before the next adventure. Yay.

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Khal Wimpo  Oct 13, 2015 • 9:14:55pm

re: #42 Eric The Fruit Bat

I hope the ST. Louis judge transfers the case to CA so they can get this out of their hair and not look as stupid to the rest of the circuits when you’re dealing with such a whackjob.

Meh. We’ve got more than enough wackjobs here in L.A., trust me.

If CCJ winds up in front of Dean Pregerson or Donald Lew, watch out. They do not suffer fools. And this douchecanoe attorney will get ripped up one side & down the other.

“reached physical exhaustion.” Wow. I kinda want to be there in the Roybal Center if/when this one comes up. It will be one of the kind of moments that law students talk about in hushed tones, late at night, as their dicks shrivel up and try to find shelter.

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Timothy Watson  Oct 13, 2015 • 9:16:16pm

re: #61 Reality Based Steve

I noticed in the court papers Plaintiff’s counsel also has a highly capable second year law student intern. Memo to self… don’t hire any law firm that brags about its interns.

RBS

Geez, they couldn’t even get a third-year intern?

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Reality Based Steve  Oct 13, 2015 • 9:17:36pm

Well, I’m going to turn in. I’ve made up my mind, I’ll vote for whichever of the Democratic contenders who can make one of these appear in my driveway overnight. (and the color is just perfect)

2015 Pontiac Firebird TA (I wish)
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Jenner7  Oct 13, 2015 • 9:18:01pm
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The War TARDIS  Oct 13, 2015 • 9:19:02pm

Characters between Game of Thrones and Doctor Who.

Maisie Williams will be playing a character in Doctor Who, possibly for 2 weeks.

So, Radio Times, looked through, and found all the links.

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Khal Wimpo  Oct 13, 2015 • 9:19:08pm

re: #65 Reality Based Steve

Well, I’m going to turn in. I’ve made up my mind, I’ll vote for whichever of the Democratic contenders who can make one of these appear in my driveway overnight. (and the color is just perfect)

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Is the photo a little distorted, or is the whole car kinda squished-looking this way?

Doesn’t matter. Expect to see yahoos snapping them up for the bitchin’ hood decal anyway.

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freetoken  Oct 13, 2015 • 9:19:17pm

re: #66 Jenner7

Teabonics in action.

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Dark_Falcon  Oct 13, 2015 • 9:19:18pm

Plaintiffs’ counsel reached physical exhaustion

Somebody call the Whaaaaambulance!

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goddamnedfrank  Oct 13, 2015 • 9:20:20pm
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Reality Based Steve  Oct 13, 2015 • 9:23:01pm

re: #71 goddamnedfrank

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Plaintiff’s Counsel also has two sheds, one of which is used for legal consultations.

RBS

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Khal Wimpo  Oct 13, 2015 • 9:23:07pm

re: #70 Dark_Falcon

Plaintiffs’ counsel reached physical exhaustion

Somebody call the Whaaaaambulance!

I know, right? Seriously cannot wrap my head around someone writing in Fed Court like this and thinking that it’s going to fly…

You do NOT plead “exhaustion” at the last minute as an excuse. This is not grade school. There is not a mommy-teacher waiting to scoop you up in her arms and murmur “There, there, sweetie, it’s OK.” WTF! Federal Court is the very essence of Big-Boy League.

You do not bring this weak shit in there & expect to be indulged. Unless you have a galactic overweening sense of self-importance. Lawhawk - you wanna chime in here?

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goddamnedfrank  Oct 13, 2015 • 9:23:54pm
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Dark_Falcon  Oct 13, 2015 • 9:24:02pm

re: #71 goddamnedfrank

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The War TARDIS  Oct 13, 2015 • 9:24:26pm

re: #67 The War TARDIS

Might need to write a page on this.

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Dark_Falcon  Oct 13, 2015 • 9:27:42pm

In other news, Sarah Palin’s 3rd grandchild will be a girl. With any luck, the little lady will take after her (unnamed) father and not her dim grifter mother Bristol and her malefactor grandmother.

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SteveMcGaziBolaGate  Oct 13, 2015 • 9:28:05pm

I wonder if this will hold up against the NRA?

philly.com

“Jurors ordered a Wisconsin gun store to pay nearly $6 million on Tuesday in a lawsuit filed by two Milwaukee police officers who were shot and seriously wounded by a gun purchased at the store.
“The ruling came in a negligence lawsuit filed by the officers against Badger Guns, a shop in suburban Milwaukee that authorities have linked to hundreds of firearms found at crime scenes. The lawsuit said the shop ignored several warning signs that the gun used to shoot the officers was being sold to a so-called straw buyer who was illegally purchasing the weapon for someone else.”

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BeachDem  Oct 13, 2015 • 9:29:28pm

On a slightly more positive note, there is going to be a Dem candidates forum the first week of November in SC and I have a ticket! And Rachel Maddow is supposed to be the moderator. Double yay. (Hope they keep spittle-boy Matthews far away.)

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Amory Blaine  Oct 13, 2015 • 9:30:33pm

I enjoyed reading all of your thoughts on the debate in the last 2 threads.

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goddamnedfrank  Oct 13, 2015 • 9:31:30pm

re: #78 SteveMcGaziBolaGate

I wonder if this will hold up against the NRA?

philly.com

“Jurors ordered a Wisconsin gun store to pay nearly $6 million on Tuesday in a lawsuit filed by two Milwaukee police officers who were shot and seriously wounded by a gun purchased at the store.
“The ruling came in a negligence lawsuit filed by the officers against Badger Guns, a shop in suburban Milwaukee that authorities have linked to hundreds of firearms found at crime scenes. The lawsuit said the shop ignored several warning signs that the gun used to shoot the officers was being sold to a so-called straw buyer who was illegally purchasing the weapon for someone else.”

It’ll hold up. They didn’t just ignore warning signs, the shop employee actively coached the straw purchaser through the entire fraudulent transaction.

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goddamnedfrank  Oct 13, 2015 • 9:32:00pm
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Amory Blaine  Oct 13, 2015 • 9:32:28pm

re: #81 goddamnedfrank

Badger Gun is a serious problem in this area.

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Reality Based Steve  Oct 13, 2015 • 9:33:33pm

re: #77 Dark_Falcon

In other news, Sarah Palin’s 3rd grandchild will be a girl. With any luck, the little lady will take after her (unnamed) father and not her dim grifter mother Bristol and her malefactor grandmother.

I’d say something snarky about how Sarah is now 0-3 in the “getting grandchildren conceived in wedlock category”, but if it were a Democratic family, you know the RWNJ’s would be screaming about her not teaching good X-tian Morality to your children.

RBS

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teleskiguy  Oct 13, 2015 • 9:34:16pm
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teleskiguy  Oct 13, 2015 • 9:34:56pm
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SteveMcGaziBolaGate  Oct 13, 2015 • 9:35:18pm

re: #85 teleskiguy

Wash your mouth out with soap.

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Dark_Falcon  Oct 13, 2015 • 9:37:12pm

re: #78 SteveMcGaziBolaGate

I wonder if this will hold up against the NRA?

philly.com

“Jurors ordered a Wisconsin gun store to pay nearly $6 million on Tuesday in a lawsuit filed by two Milwaukee police officers who were shot and seriously wounded by a gun purchased at the store.
“The ruling came in a negligence lawsuit filed by the officers against Badger Guns, a shop in suburban Milwaukee that authorities have linked to hundreds of firearms found at crime scenes. The lawsuit said the shop ignored several warning signs that the gun used to shoot the officers was being sold to a so-called straw buyer who was illegally purchasing the weapon for someone else.”

The punitive damages might not stand, but the damages for actual injuries, lost wages, and pain and suffering likely will. These are two cops who got shot, after all, so they’ll get more consideration than some people would.

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teleskiguy  Oct 13, 2015 • 9:39:11pm

re: #87 SteveMcGaziBolaGate

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WhatEVs  Oct 13, 2015 • 9:39:19pm

re: #51 freetoken

Why is free college (or Hillary’s “reduced interest rates”) pandering. Other countries do it. It’s a good way to get deserving Brooke an education, especially people with potential who lack means? Same for minimum wage? Both are doable.

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SteveMcGaziBolaGate  Oct 13, 2015 • 9:40:26pm

I caught part of Rachel Maddow’s show and she brought up the amusing prospect of a dozen or more candidates making equal time claims when tRump hosts Saturday Night Live.

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goddamnedfrank  Oct 13, 2015 • 9:41:23pm
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KGxvi  Oct 13, 2015 • 9:42:00pm

re: #90 WhatEVs

hell, we did free college until the mid-70s or so… it’s not like it’s a completely foreign idea

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Dom  Oct 13, 2015 • 9:42:35pm

re: #18 Charles Johnson

Cheers. If the guy doesn’t get his extension we’ll need some vids for all the popcorn we got in.

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sagehen  Oct 13, 2015 • 9:43:18pm

Seth Meyers:

“CNN kept an open podium in case Joe Biden decided to show up. The empty podium is now polling above Martin O’Malley.”

“NBC announced today that Donald Trump will be hosting SNL next month. Trump lost interest when he found out SNL is 40 years old.”

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Amory Blaine  Oct 13, 2015 • 9:43:34pm

It’s a form of indentured servitude today. You need a degree for every podunk job that doesn’t pay 10 an hour.

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KGxvi  Oct 13, 2015 • 9:44:11pm

re: #88 Dark_Falcon

Per the article, punitive damages were only about $706,000. Usually, when punitive damages get reduced it’s because they exceed actual damages by too high a degree (depending on the jurisdiction, usually about 9 to 1). Since punitive damages were actually less than the actual damages, the award is probably more likely to stand than be over turned.

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TedStriker  Oct 13, 2015 • 9:44:59pm

re: #1 klys (maker of Silmarils)

I sincerely hope the judge’s response comes down to “tough shit.”

re: #2 Khal Wimpo

“as Plaintiff’s counsel reached physical exhaustion”

OFFS.

That kind of goddam whining doesn’t even merit an eye-roll from a hard-ass Federal judge.

How unprofessional.

I’ve been in chambers for stuff like this, when a judge snarled “You should have thought of that before you decided to play in the major leagues WITHOUT A FUCKING BAT! No! Your motion is denied.”

Chuck, when you fuck with bulls, chances are that you’re going to get the horns.

Sucks to be you.

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Dark_Falcon  Oct 13, 2015 • 9:46:27pm

re: #93 KGxvi

hell, we did free college until the mid-70s or so… it’s not like it’s a completely foreign idea

The problem is its unlikely to be free, since universities have reacted to most such federal programs by raising tuition and then spending the resulting monies on things like new dorms and prestige projects. It’s the higher ed version of “tax-spend-elect”. Of course, “tax-spend-elect” is seldom unpalatable to Democrats, so it might well be a winner for Mrs. Clinton.

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Dark_Falcon  Oct 13, 2015 • 9:47:37pm

re: #97 KGxvi

Per the article, punitive damages were only about $706,000. Usually, when punitive damages get reduced it’s because they exceed actual damages by too high a degree (depending on the jurisdiction, usually about 9 to 1). Since punitive damages were actually less than the actual damages, the award is probably more likely to stand than be over turned.

Cool. Thanks for explaining that.

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teleskiguy  Oct 13, 2015 • 9:48:48pm

Rural/Urban divide, anyone? Bueller? Bueller?

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Higgs Boson's Mate  Oct 13, 2015 • 9:55:20pm

re: #90 WhatEVs

Why is free college (or Hillary’s “reduced interest rates”) pandering. Other countries do it. It’s a good way to get deserving Brooke an education, especially people with potential who lack means? Same for minimum wage? Both are doable.

There were no tuition fees at California JCs in the Sixties. University and State College tuition was so modest that you only had to worry about books, food and shelter.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Oct 13, 2015 • 9:55:29pm

re: #99 Dark_Falcon

Some of us do recognize that there are things worth spending money on, particularly as an investment in the country’s future.

I know this concept is anathema to conservatives these days.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Oct 13, 2015 • 9:56:45pm

re: #101 teleskiguy

Rural/Urban divide, anyone? Bueller? Bueller?

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Having lived in rural areas and urban ones, I’d fall in the far left hand column. It’s great to have peace and quiet when houses are spread far apart, but I’m willing to give that up if I don’t have to jump in my car just to pick up something from the grocery a half-hour or more away.

I’ve also lost my yen for having a yard to mow, a driveway to shovel, and a house to maintain.

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TedStriker  Oct 13, 2015 • 9:57:48pm

re: #92 goddamnedfrank

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SteveMcGaziBolaGate  Oct 13, 2015 • 9:58:25pm

Wait ‘til the Republicans find out tax dollars are being used for comparative religion courses.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Oct 13, 2015 • 10:00:30pm

Would lizards double-check this timeline I’ve prepared? I have classes soon and need another pair of eyes to read it before I run with it.

CCJ libel suit timeline

June 19: Files libel/defamation suit against Gawker in St. Louis County Court
July 30: On Gawker’s motion, case is moved to US District Court, Eastern Division, of Missouri
Aug. 24: Gawker files motion to strike complaint under California’s anti-SLAPP law, and motion to dismiss the case or to transfer it to a NY or CA federal court. Johnson has until Oct. 2 to respond.
Sept. 30: Judge grants Johnson extension from Oct. 2 to 5
Oct. 6: Judge grants extension from Oct. 5 to 9.
Oct. 12: Johnson’s lawyer asks for another extension to Oct. 16
Oct. 13: Gawker’s lawyers ask judge to deny further extensions and dismiss the case with prejudice
Oct. 13: Johnson’s lawyers request another day’s extension to Oct. 17, pleading exhaustion and lack of time to craftily prepare response to motions filed 2 months previously.

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teleskiguy  Oct 13, 2015 • 10:03:24pm

re: #101 teleskiguy

Admittedly I’ve lived in rural areas more than I have lived in urban areas. A lot more. I lived in Denver for two years, the rest of the time I’ve been in very small towns in the mountains of Colorado. And you know what? It’s easier, cheaper and yes more exciting with more people to live in an urban area. I’ve never seen so much live music in my life other than those two years in Denver. I could ride my bike to the grocery store or the trendy restaurant district and back. I met and befriended many many more people than I do in the mountains. It was great, but…

I love skiing more. And sitting in traffic for eight hours to and from the ski area on weekends to make skiing happen? Fuck that noise.

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Dark_Falcon  Oct 13, 2015 • 10:09:05pm

re: #103 klys (maker of Silmarils)

Some of us do recognize that there are things worth spending money on, particularly as an investment in the country’s future.

I know this concept is anathema to conservatives these days.

I’m not arguing against that, I’m arguing against poorly designed and/or poorly overseen programs that don’t end up actually bringing college costs down. Far too many federal programs of all types are launched with great hype and then they are allowed to flounder in a sea of red ink while politicians and most of the media move onto the next fad.

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KGxvi  Oct 13, 2015 • 10:09:41pm

re: #99 Dark_Falcon

There’s a few thousand angles to the cost of college question. And I do worry that state governments will take a new federal program as an excuse to cut funding, which is probably one of the biggest drivers of rising tuition costs. Though I don’t necessarily see “building new dorms” as a bad thing - when demand continues to rise and supply remains the same.

But at least the Dems are proposing something. What’s the GOP’s proposal?

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Jenner7  Oct 13, 2015 • 10:09:48pm

Something else Megyn said that irked me was “ISIS is the biggest threat to America”.

Um, no. That’s what your channel WANTS us to believe.

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KGxvi  Oct 13, 2015 • 10:11:37pm

re: #111 Jenner7

If ISIS is the biggest threat to the US, we can probably cut defense spending by 80% and still be solid

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goddamnedfrank  Oct 13, 2015 • 10:17:19pm
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Khal Wimpo  Oct 13, 2015 • 10:18:28pm

re: #107 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

Would lizards double-check this timeline I’ve prepared? I have classes soon and need another pair of eyes to read it before I run with it.

Classes? At 10PM? Egad.

Anyway, looks good from what I’ve seen. In any case, if you’re off by a day or so, you’d be in good company with CCJ’s lawyer, who can’t seem to read a goddam calendar. Even when said date is going to be used in a legal pleading.

Back of envelope calculations: Gawker’s lawyers appear to be 1 partner and 4 associates.

Figure 1 partner spending 10 hours a week, for the last 15 weeks.

$500 hour x 10 hours x 15 = $75,000 for partner

4 associates at $300/hour x 20 hours/week x 15 weeks = $360,000

8 Paralegals at $120/hour x 20 hours/week x 15 weeks = $72,000

Subtotal: $507,000

Associated costs: about 15% is usual and customary $76K

Total SLAPP bill that CCJ is about to be hit with $583,000.

This is a somewhat conservative estimate. If Gawker’s lawyers really wanted to milk the case, they could have assigned twice as many associates, and once they figured out they were likely to win a SLAPP suit and get their costs covered, you could probably hear the scrambling by junior partners to glom onto the Cash Wagon and milk this sucker for billable hours.

Does CCJ own any real estate? If he does, it might be time to take a long, last, loving look at the old homestead. ‘Cause it ain’t gonna be his for much longer. Nor anything owned by Hot Asian Wife.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Oct 13, 2015 • 10:19:08pm

re: #114 Khal Wimpo

Wheat’s in China. It’s not 10pm to him. :)

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Amory Blaine  Oct 13, 2015 • 10:21:39pm

I’ve had this discussion of free tuition since the nineties and every argument against it boils down to being butthurt that they had to pay tuition and don’t want someone else benefiting. Can you honestly not look around you and see that a significant number of jobs that require a degree to apply do not really require a degree to perform? It’s a fucking joke out here and everyone knows it.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Oct 13, 2015 • 10:21:42pm

re: #114 Khal Wimpo

Thanks!

As for his real estate, he was saying last spring that he and HAW were buying a house. Not sure if they closed on it. She also may have interest in a restaurant run by her relatives.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Oct 13, 2015 • 10:22:18pm

re: #115 klys (maker of Silmarils)

Wheat’s in China. It’s not 10pm to him. :)

Yup. It’s a sunny and warm 1:20 pm here now.

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Amory Blaine  Oct 13, 2015 • 10:22:44pm

You shouldn’t need a god damned bachelor degree to run a fucking hamburger stand.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Oct 13, 2015 • 10:25:10pm

re: #118 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

Yup. It’s a sunny and warm 1:20 pm here now.

It is a nighttime and warm (FDSJU#RUFKLS ISN’T SUMMER OVER YET????) evening here.

Well. I guess after 10pm is night.

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Amory Blaine  Oct 13, 2015 • 10:25:24pm

My 50 yo wife can’t even find a job with a degree from Alverno college. She’s been languishing as a home health aide for 6 bux an hour it makes me fucking sick.

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Amory Blaine  Oct 13, 2015 • 10:26:28pm

re: #120 klys (maker of Silmarils)

Thought of you when I saw this.

Camac Harp - Atlantide Prestige - $15500

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teleskiguy  Oct 13, 2015 • 10:27:06pm

re: #119 Amory Blaine

You shouldn’t need a god damned bachelor degree to run a fucking hamburger stand.

I’ve edged out numerous applicants for ski technician jobs a few times on the grounds that I’ve “got some schooling” under my belt. Believe me when I tell you that you don’t need college to be a ski tech. IMO, you need lots of skiing experience to be a good ski tech. That’s not what most ski shops look for. They see some education and they think “stability.”

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Dark_Falcon  Oct 13, 2015 • 10:27:19pm

re: #114 Khal Wimpo

So what you’re saying is that UpChuck is about to get Bitch-SLAPPed.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Oct 13, 2015 • 10:27:51pm

re: #122 Amory Blaine

Thought of you when I saw this.

Camac Harp - Atlantide Prestige - $15500

Hahaha, oh man, harps like that make me very grateful that I play lever harp, where cost is about half that.

But it is a gorgeous instrument.

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Khal Wimpo  Oct 13, 2015 • 10:34:13pm

re: #124 Dark_Falcon

So what you’re saying is that UpChuck is about to get Bitch-SLAPPed.

As I said, it depends very much on the judge. But based on my experience, if you bring amateurish & insulting pleadings into a Federal Courtroom, some of those judges can get into a very Old Testament mood. Catch an old, crotchety Reagan appointee late in the day, and things can get … intense.

Particularly if you’ve been demonstrating bad faith and a blatant attempt to subvert the legal system by threatening witnesses if they do not violate attorney-client and had over incriminating evidence.

That shit-eating floor-shitting grin is about to get wiped off Chuckie-boy’s face.

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sagehen  Oct 13, 2015 • 10:34:57pm

re: #51 freetoken

Still, trying to present “free college” as some noble thought rather than what it is - a means to buy votes from young people - I find disingenuous.

Bull. Shit.

My parents grew up super poor. Like, cardboard in their shoes because they couldn’t afford to have them resoled kind of poor. Ketchup soup. Dad joined the Army at age 15 because they promised they’d feed him Every. Single. Day.

But City College was 100% taxpayer-funded, students paid zero tuition. Hunter College was mostly taxpayer-funded, with some philanthropic top-off. Students paid zero tuition.

Any money they could put together from after-school jobs, summer jobs, Dad’s GI benefits, could be applied to grad school.

When he got his MD, he had zero debt, mom had been working for a couple of years by then. When they moved across the country for his internship and residency, they had enough cash to buy a car to get there, rent a home where Mom could stay home with toddler children. The day he finished his training and went into private practice, they could immediately start saving up for a down-payment on a house, sending one of dad’s little brothers to a private college and med school and his other brother and my mom to law school…

The 40 years of income tax they paid (in the highest bracket) was more than enough to reimburse the govt for having invested in them. Plus, y’know, there’s value to the world that smart kids from poor families could be doctors and lawyers instead of secretaries and construction workers.

The nation got their money’s worth.

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Khal Wimpo  Oct 13, 2015 • 10:36:59pm

re: #115 klys (maker of Silmarils)

Wheat’s in China. It’s not 10pm to him. :)

Ah. I dimly remember seeing something like that, but it’s late and I’m a little bleary-eyed. Memory banks failing to respond correctly.

Must need more Knob Creek.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Oct 13, 2015 • 10:38:44pm

re: #126 Khal Wimpo

As I said, it depends very much on the judge. But based on my experience, if you bring amateurish & insulting pleadings into a Federal Courtroom, some of those judges can get into a very Old Testament mood. Catch an old, crotchety Reagan appointee late in the day, and things can get … intense.

Particularly if you’ve been demonstrating bad faith and a blatant attempt to subvert the legal system by threatening witnesses if they do not violate attorney-client and had over incriminating evidence.

That shit-eating floor-shitting grin is about to get wiped off Chuckie-boy’s face.

I am hoping for the kind of ruling that judges have dished out for Orly Taitz’ madcap filings.

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Khal Wimpo  Oct 13, 2015 • 10:39:25pm

re: #127 sagehen

Bull. Shit.

The nation got their money’s worth.

THIS.

Somewhere along the line, as the GOP’s base basically became Angry Old Coots, the idea of investing in the future pretty much went by the wayside.

“Why bother? We’ll be dead by the time THAT’S a problem.”

Recipe for a country that no longer believes in thinking more than 5 seconds into the future.

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SteveMcGaziBolaGate  Oct 13, 2015 • 10:40:51pm

re: #118 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

If you’re still lurking, I’m interested in taking up a foreign language. If I were to try to take on Chinese, which do you suppose would be the best dialect?

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Blind Frog Belly White  Oct 13, 2015 • 10:42:27pm

re: #130 Khal Wimpo

THIS.

Somewhere along the line, as the GOP’s base basically became Angry Old Coots, the idea of investing in the future pretty much went by the wayside.

“Why bother? We’ll be dead by the time THAT’S a problem.”

Recipe for a country that no longer believes in thinking more than 5 seconds into the future.

Who cares about healthcare, college costs, or global warming when ISIS is coming to cut your head off?!?

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Oct 13, 2015 • 10:42:55pm

re: #131 SteveMcGaziBolaGate

If you’re still lurking, I’m interested in taking up a foreign language. If I were to try to take on Chinese, which do you suppose would be the best dialect?

Mandarin is standard for Taiwan and the mainland. Cantonese is spoken most in Guangdong (Canton), Hong Kong and Macau. Mandarin is what most schools in the States teach, so I’d go with that,

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Blind Frog Belly White  Oct 13, 2015 • 10:43:45pm

OMG, Tweety is interviewing Wayne Newton. He is hideous, skin stretched like a drum across his face, but he’s got the old man quaver in his voice. Geez.

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Kate1230  Oct 13, 2015 • 10:43:46pm

Johnson should call his friend and attorney, Orly Taitz. He has said in the past he was a big fan of hers and I’m sure she’d take his case on. In fact, he’d be her only client! She never has any other than herself. Go ahead Chuck, give Orly a call! She does so well with Judges and always knows just what to say :)

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goddamnedfrank  Oct 13, 2015 • 10:43:47pm

re: #114 Khal Wimpo

I think one of Chuck’s many miscalculations was asking for the grotesque figure of $66 million dollars. I mean, even if we assumed that his case had any merit at all, that figure is so high that Gawker never would have batted an eye at spending 1% of it to get this far and see if an anti-SLAPP and a MTD would stick. It would’ve been insane for anybody to even contemplate settling before filing those motions, or discovery. Chuck’s expectations for how this might play out were so grotesquely out of step with reality that Burns’ acceptance of the case (I assume entirely on contingency) constitutes a kind of professional malpractice in my opinion.

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teleskiguy  Oct 13, 2015 • 10:44:18pm

Probably my favorite picture of UpChuck, back in his Claremont salad days, speaking with the climate change-denying Heartland Institute. Isn’t he adorable?!?

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Khal Wimpo  Oct 13, 2015 • 10:45:03pm

re: #127 sagehen

BTW - kudos to your folks. Grew up the same way - poor rural kids busting their asses to get an education, and using GI Bill & military pay to build a life for themselves. I went to college only because of scholarships & working 3 jobs to pay my way. Got big love for the up-by-the-bootstraps efforts.

Where I differ from the GOP base, however, is in realizing that not everybody has access even to the bootstraps. Gov’t exists to help the talented, who have the gumption, find ways to flourish; not to kick ‘em in the teeth just because they aren’t already Made It.

We need the smart, hardworking people to succeed. I’ve seen what happens in other countries when there is no ladder for advancement, or the game is rigged in favor of the arrogant scions of wealth.

It. Sucks. There.

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goddamnedfrank  Oct 13, 2015 • 10:47:55pm

I honestly think this is going to end with Chuck trying to sue Burns.

Probably in Lunar District Court.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Oct 13, 2015 • 10:48:23pm

re: #136 goddamnedfrank

I think one of Chuck’s many miscalculations was asking for the grotesque figure of $66 million dollars. I mean, even if we assumed that his case had any merit at all, that figure is so high that Gawker never would have batten an eye spending 0.1% of it to get this far and see if an anti-SLAPP and a MTD would stick. It would’ve been insane for anybody to even contemplate settling before filing those motions, or discovery. Chuck’s expectations for how this might play out were so grotesquely out of step with reality that Burns’ acceptance of the case (I assume entirely on contingency) constitutes a kind of professional malpractice in my opinion.

I think his master plan was to ask for an astronomical figure he knew he’d never receive, expecting Gawker would settle out of court for a lower sum. That strategy has clearly failed.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Oct 13, 2015 • 10:49:18pm

Okey dokey, can’t dawdle any longer. Time to go teach those English learners.

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Khal Wimpo  Oct 13, 2015 • 10:50:59pm

re: #136 goddamnedfrank

I think one of Chuck’s many miscalculations was asking for the grotesque figure of $66 million dollars. I mean, even if we assumed that his case had any merit at all, that figure is so high that Gawker never would have batten an eye spending 0.1% of it to get this far and see if an anti-SLAPP and a MTD would stick. It would’ve been insane for anybody to even contemplate settling before filing those motions, or discovery. Chuck’s expectations for how this might play out were so grotesquely out of step with reality that Burns’ acceptance of the case (I assume entirely on contingency) constitutes a kind of professional malpractice in my opinion.

Yeah, that $66 mill asking price is going to figure large in the awarding of fees. If you’ve got a case where you’re up for $66M, it makes sense to throw lots of lawyer-time at the issue.

Which of course, is going to come back at CCJ. That kind of dollar figure can only be meant to silence or intimidate.

Which gives rise to this, under CCP 425.18: “Additionally, if you win your motion to strike and believe that you can show that the plaintiff filed the lawsuit in order to harass or silence you rather than to resolve a legitimate legal claim, then consider filing a “SLAPPback” suit against your opponent. A “SLAPPback” is a lawsuit you can bring against the person who filed the SLAPP suit to recover compensatory and punitive damages for abuse of the legal process.”

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SteveMcGaziBolaGate  Oct 13, 2015 • 10:51:21pm

I don’t know about free college education. On a gut level I know that there’s no such thing as free. Somebody is going to pay for it. Tuition is totally insane, but I don’t understand why there is no sign of competitive pressure on tuition.
I paid 18K per semester and I was looking around in class one day. There were 24 students taking a three semester course so this classroom was worth 72K for 4 months, and the course was taught by an adjunct professor. I don’t know exactly what it means, but cheap is one of the words that come to mind. On the other hand, the nursing courses had big lecture rooms, and sent students in groups of 6-8 with an instructor to various hospitals, and I don’t think that came cheap.
I’m sure that colleges are pretty bloated with administration and ancillary staff.

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SteveMcGaziBolaGate  Oct 13, 2015 • 10:52:00pm

re: #133 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

Thanks. Have a great day in class.

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Amory Blaine  Oct 13, 2015 • 10:53:11pm

Heh I was trying to find a Wiki on CCJ and google had a few helpful hints.

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Khal Wimpo  Oct 13, 2015 • 10:54:16pm

Shorter anti-SLAPP legal grounds: Chuckie-boy went around threatening & intimidating potential witnesses. Which puts him right in the crosshairs of CCP 425.18.

Add to that a judge who may not be amused by the assclownery of CCJ and his attorney, and paying ~$600K defense fees may not be the end of it.

As I said a few months ago, if Gawker is feeling vindictive, they can really crucify this little shitheel.

He was arrogant, greedy & stupid. Now he’s going to pay.

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Varek Raith  Oct 13, 2015 • 10:54:21pm

re: #101 teleskiguy

Rural/Urban divide, anyone? Bueller? Bueller?

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I’m seriously considering the ‘Tiny House Fad’.
Looks interesting.

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goddamnedfrank  Oct 13, 2015 • 10:54:41pm

re: #140 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

I think his master plan was to ask for an astronomical figure he knew he’d never receive, expecting Gawker would settle out of court for a lower sum. That strategy has clearly failed.

Right, he didn’t realize that making the figure SO high worked to make settling impossible. If I put myself in Gawker’s shoes and assume the worst case scenario, that I stand a very good chance of losing a libel case, the fact that they’re asking for $66 million means I’m probably not going to be able to settle for less than $6.6 million, or 10%. So why wouldn’t I spend $600K throwing shit at the wall?

Whereas if Chuck had asked for a much more reasonable $1 million he might have stood a plausible if still very unlikely chance at getting an offer to go away for $100K or so.

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Varek Raith  Oct 13, 2015 • 10:54:44pm

re: #139 goddamnedfrank

I honestly think this is going to end with Chuck trying to sue Burns.

Probably in Lunar District Court.

With Emperor Al Gore presiding?

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SteveMcGaziBolaGate  Oct 13, 2015 • 10:55:52pm

re: #145 Amory Blaine

Google has its moments. I told a poster here just last night that I was stealing a phrase he used “going emeritus”, and for the heck of it I googled it. The very top link was called “On being ripped off, part 2”

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teleskiguy  Oct 13, 2015 • 10:57:28pm

re: #143 SteveMcGaziBolaGate

My B.A. in English and History cost 25K. My parents paid for half and I paid for half.

I understand medical school costs. It’s expensive to finish medical school, always has been. But there’s other collegiate fields out there just ripe for the pickin’ for any random person, but most of the time those random people can’t afford the cost of further education. Wasted opportunities. An educated populace is a vibrant, productive and peaceful populace.

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Khal Wimpo  Oct 13, 2015 • 10:57:46pm

re: #148 goddamnedfrank

Whereas if Chuck had asked for a much more reasonable $1 million he might have stood a plausible if still very unlikely chance at getting an offer to go away for $100K or so.

$1 mill is still a really, really steep asking price. You have to basically be a beloved humanitarian accused to Satanic Child Sacrifice to show $1M in damages to your image.

But yeah, your point holds. If he hadn’t set the bar so high, he’d be counting $50-100K in “Go-Away Money” right now and chortling to himself.

Instead, he’s about to lose everything he owns, or ever will own.

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teleskiguy  Oct 13, 2015 • 11:00:36pm

I’m not saying I agree with Bernie Sanders’ call for free college education for all 100%, maybe more like 75%.

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Varek Raith  Oct 13, 2015 • 11:00:50pm

re: #152 Khal Wimpo

$1 mill is still a really, really steep asking price. You have to basically be a beloved humanitarian accused to Satanic Child Sacrifice to show $1M in damages to your image.

But yeah, your point holds. If he hadn’t set the bar so high, he’d be counting $50-100K in “Go-Away Money” right now and chortling to himself.

Instead, he’s about to lose everything he owns, or ever will own.

His lawyer should also be disbarred for even allowing him to proceed with such bullshit.
/wishful thinking

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Amory Blaine  Oct 13, 2015 • 11:01:59pm

Most of my tuition was paid through an internship. My wife however had ~ 20k of debt that she had consolidated into a 14% interest lockdown. Paying this off was my first priority when we became a couple. Was like pulling fucking teeth man.

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teleskiguy  Oct 13, 2015 • 11:02:27pm

I think it’d be cool if I could - at my age (mid-30s) - take a three or four hundred level course on the history of the Indian subcontinent for free.

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SteveMcGaziBolaGate  Oct 13, 2015 • 11:04:19pm

re: #151 teleskiguy

My B.A. in English and History cost 25K. My parents paid for half and I paid for half.

I understand medical school costs. It’s expensive to finish medical school, always has been. But there’s other collegiate fields out there just ripe for the pickin’ for any random person, but most of the time those random people can’t afford the cost of further education. Wasted opportunities. An educated populace is a vibrant, productive and peaceful populace.

I’m pretty lucky to bring in my BSN at about 30K. I did my pre-reqs at community college at $140/credit (basically my first two years). LaSalle gave me a big scholarship when I transferred in. I think they wanted a bunch of us old timers to set an example to the kids, but the kids were, well, kids. All us us old coots made it but only about 60% of the kids did. (Although one semester I made the grade by 0.04 point)

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Targetpractice  Oct 13, 2015 • 11:04:40pm

Okayre: #146 Khal Wimpo

Shorter anti-SLAPP legal grounds: Chuckie-boy went around threatening & intimidating potential witnesses. Which puts him right in the crosshairs of CCP 425.18.

Add to that a judge who may not be amused by the assclownery of CCJ and his attorney, and paying ~$600K defense fees may not be the end of it.

As I said a few months ago, if Gawker is feeling vindictive, they can really crucify this little shitheel.

He was arrogant, greedy & stupid. Now he’s going to pay.

When I think of Chucky, I remember the words of a wise man:

“Ah, arrogance and stupidity all in the same package. How efficient of you.”

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goddamnedfrank  Oct 13, 2015 • 11:05:03pm

re: #153 teleskiguy

I’m not saying I agree with Bernie Sanders’ call for free college education for all 100%, maybe more like 75%.

I’m all for free college education for anybody who both wants it and can hack it. Those two qualifiers alone mean we won’t be paying for 100%. I don’t give a fuck if people end up educated far beyond their occupational requirements, an educated society is a better society.

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sagehen  Oct 13, 2015 • 11:06:52pm

re: #159 goddamnedfrank

I’m all for free college education for anybody who both wants it and can hack it. Those two qualifiers alone mean we won’t be paying for 100%. I don’t give a fuck if they end up educated far beyond their occupational requirements, an educated society is a better society.

What’s the educational requirements for an elementary school teacher or high school teacher? What’s the loan payments for that degree, compared to the payscale? No wonder it”s hard to get good teachers.

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teleskiguy  Oct 13, 2015 • 11:08:19pm

re: #159 goddamnedfrank

an educated society is a better society.

Indeed.

re: #151 teleskiguy

An educated populace is a vibrant, productive and peaceful populace.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Oct 13, 2015 • 11:08:26pm

re: #151 teleskiguy

My B.A. in English and History cost 25K. My parents paid for half and I paid for half.

I understand medical school costs. It’s expensive to finish medical school, always has been. But there’s other collegiate fields out there just ripe for the pickin’ for any random person, but most of the time those random people can’t afford the cost of further education. Wasted opportunities. An educated populace is a vibrant, productive and peaceful populace.

That’s basically where I am. I’d love to go back to school but the cost just scares the shit out of me. I REALLY don’t want to be saddled with student loan debt into old age.

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SteveMcGaziBolaGate  Oct 13, 2015 • 11:11:33pm

re: #160 sagehen

Good teachers need experience to. I remember a couple of young teachers when I was a freshman in high school and the kids behaved really poorly, but by the time I was a senior they had really learned to take over the room. My dad was awesome like that. Even at home, he knew how long to let a surge of laughter, chatter, whatever go, then he would just fold his arms and give “the look” and everybody knew it was time to be cool. Didn’t have to holler or give detention. The disciplinarians at my high school were the same way. They were actually very well-liked.

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SteveMcGaziBolaGate  Oct 13, 2015 • 11:13:47pm

re: #161 teleskiguy

BTW that CCJ pic you posted behind a spoiler tag earlier was really well done. I was expecting to see some text but instead it was like he jumped out at me.

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Amory Blaine  Oct 13, 2015 • 11:15:04pm

My wife taught 8th grade for a year in Milwaukee Public Schools. She was not prepared for the extreme poverty her pupils lived in. Also at the time I was a glorified ditch digger (mainly concrete finishing) and I made more money than she did and she worked 12 hr days.

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A Mom Anon  Oct 13, 2015 • 11:15:39pm

re: #90 WhatEVs

Some are assuming only young people would go to school if given the chance. I cannot be the only stay home parent who missed the chance to go to school to raise kids. I can’t go back now because there’s simply no way to afford it at all. Or what about adults who would like to change careers and go into vocational school? I would LOVE to attend a college or trade school, even at age 55. Education isn’t wasted, I don’t care when you get it. My biggest issue would be putting my family into horrendous debt only to not be hired anywhere at the end of it because of my age.

Trying to lower the cost of education, even making it free, isn’t pandering, it makes sense. We’re carrying more college/school related debt than any other country. We’re doing it wrong. Leaving school with that much debt is preventing graduates from buying homes and doing other things to stimulate the economy. No matter what their age. We’re also pretty much consigning people to stay in jobs either not related to their education or jobs that they don’t want in order to pay off those loans. It’s ridiculous.

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goddamnedfrank  Oct 13, 2015 • 11:15:49pm

There are some decent and affordable online programs out there for learning to code. I won’t say they’re “good” or even try recommending any because I’m really not in a position to judge. But if there’s one industry that seems to care less about what credentials you have and where you got them vs. what you’ve actually learned it’s tech.

Which isn’t to say there isn’t an absolute ton of bullshit in the tech industry, because there obviously is.

On the other hand I still can’t imagine getting the classical education I received getting my Comparative Literature undergrad B.A. via an online program. And I imagine that many (especially older) people who’ve gone through traditional two and four year brick and mortar Computer Science programs feel the same way about the superiority of the educations they received.

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Cheechako  Oct 13, 2015 • 11:17:03pm

My wife got a 2 year Associate Degree in Nursing back in the early ‘70’s. She had a National Defense Loan to help pay the cost. When we were married she was anxious to pay off the loan as quickly as possible. At the time the APR for the loan was 2% and the banks payed 5% on savings accounts. I had her deposit the loan repayment $’s into a savings account and we then waited to the last possible moment to pay the NDF loan. Added a few extra bucks into our pockets.

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SteveMcGaziBolaGate  Oct 13, 2015 • 11:18:02pm

re: #165 Amory Blaine

My parents (teacher and school nurse) endured a couple of long strikes in the middle 70s and after that things were better for us. My father still taught night school also and painted houses in the summer, but things were definitely better after that year.

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teleskiguy  Oct 13, 2015 • 11:19:02pm

re: #166 A Mom Anon

We’re also pretty much consigning people to stay in jobs … not related to their education

That would be me.

Though it’s mostly by choice and not circumstance.

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A Mom Anon  Oct 13, 2015 • 11:19:06pm

Yipes, it’s past 2 am here, I need to go try to sleep. Nite lizards.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Oct 13, 2015 • 11:22:03pm

Whenever I hear, “How you gonna pay for it?”, I always want to ask, “Do you think we’re not paying for it NOW?”

Take healthcare. Sanders correctly points out we already pay more than anyone else in the whole damned world, per capita and as a percent of GDP, for a system which isn’t even universal, and has one of the lowest levels of satisfied citizens. We’re already paying for it.

Take college tuition. You USED TO be able to get a college education at a state school for nearly free. The cost of a private college, for me, was less than 40% of median income, back in the late 1970s. Now, the formerly free state school costs 50% of median income, and my college costs 100%.

That money isn’t magically appearing from nowhere. No, it’s being loaned to young people by banks, which then have their hooks in them for decades after. The money that former students pay for their loans is money that goes to the top 1%, and doesn’t get spent to buy goods and services.

We’re all paying for it already, and we’re largely paying it to the wealthiest people in society, who found yet another way to transfer wealth from the rest of us to their own pockets.

So, instead of asking, “How you gonna pay for it?”, how about if you ask, “How are we going to reorganize higher education so it’s not just another cash cow for the rich?” Society benefits from not only a more educated populace, but also from a middle class with money to spend.

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Higgs Boson's Mate  Oct 13, 2015 • 11:22:11pm

re: #162 Eclectic Cyborg

I’d like to go back to school, but I’m so old that I forget where it is.

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Amory Blaine  Oct 13, 2015 • 11:24:38pm

The crooks at the top will never give an inch, it has to be taken. Something our grandparents understood well.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Oct 13, 2015 • 11:25:49pm

re: #174 Amory Blaine

The crooks at the top will never give an inch, it has to be taken. Something our grandparents understood well.

Wait, you mean that they won’t give us stuff if we just let them take more?
///

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teleskiguy  Oct 13, 2015 • 11:30:03pm
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Amory Blaine  Oct 13, 2015 • 11:40:00pm

Isis? Look in our own fucking backyard.

Britain Urges Saudis to Free Grandfather Facing 350 Lashes

For more than a year, an asthmatic 74-year-old grandfather and former oil executive has sat in a prison in Jidda, Saudi Arabia, accused of violating the country’s strict prohibition on alcohol after the authorities found bottles of homemade wine in his car.

The case of the former executive, Karl Andree, a Briton who has lived in Saudi Arabia for 25 years and is a cancer survivor, has now become a matter of geopolitical controversy amid an outcry over the sentence he faces: 350 lashes, a punishment that his family says could kill him.

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teleskiguy  Oct 13, 2015 • 11:42:57pm

re: #177 Amory Blaine

Isis? Look in our own fucking backyard.

Britain Urges Saudis to Free Grandfather Facing 350 Lashes

If Karl’s sentence is carried out, at least he doesn’t have to meet this dude.

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Amory Blaine  Oct 13, 2015 • 11:45:41pm

Cutting his head off would be more humane. 350 lashes on an old man guarantees a death of misery.

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teleskiguy  Oct 13, 2015 • 11:48:21pm

re: #179 Amory Blaine

You should see some of the comments from people in western secular countries about this story. “He should have known!” “Why is he breaking that country’s law?” “Serves him right.”

Mostly from conservatives.

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teleskiguy  Oct 13, 2015 • 11:53:45pm

Photos shared by Colorado Parks and Wildlife today on their Facebook.

Photography: Brent Paull, amwestphoto.com

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freetoken  Oct 13, 2015 • 11:54:51pm

re: #180 teleskiguy

I wonder if we will ever have a President who will be willing to offer up a foreign policy re-think to the core, including our relationships to the Persian Gulf states.

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freetoken  Oct 14, 2015 • 12:04:45am

We now take a brief intermission from tackling all the craziness in the world:

MP3 Audio

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teleskiguy  Oct 14, 2015 • 12:10:02am

My friend offered free tickets to The New Mastersounds playing in a little bar in Steamboat Springs, CO on Thursday night. I have to work something out with *work* but I think I’m going to see these guys on Thursday. I’d be silly not to, right?!?

The New Mastersounds & Friends - 2/25/13 - Brooklyn Bowl

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Targetpractice  Oct 14, 2015 • 12:20:03am

It’s sad. Back when Bethesda announced Fallout 4 at E3 back in June, six months seemed like a short time to find a job and get the money to buy a new console before November. Now I’ve had a job for close to three months, bought an XBone, and all can I think of it “Why can’t it already be November?!”

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freetoken  Oct 14, 2015 • 12:20:43am
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Amory Blaine  Oct 14, 2015 • 12:27:20am

I was looping a ragtime lick on my guitar during the debate. A half hour later Dee Dee was like “Stop It you’re driving me crazy!” heh.

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Amory Blaine  Oct 14, 2015 • 12:40:58am
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Amory Blaine  Oct 14, 2015 • 12:54:14am

Bill would allow concealed guns in Wisconsin college buildings

While a pair of Republican state lawmakers want to allow students and faculty to carry concealed guns inside public university and college buildings, at least one campus and its police department are warning the measure could have dangerous day-to-day implications.

“Allowing concealed weapons inside a building like Camp Randall Stadium, filled with 80,000 people, creates a major security issue,” said a statement Tuesday from the University of Wisconsin-Madison Police Department.

The evidence “does not support the idea that our campus would be safer if concealed firearms are allowed in our buildings,” the statement said. “In states that allow concealed carry, these mass shooting tragedies have still occurred.”

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piratedan  Oct 14, 2015 • 1:31:00am

re: #51 freetoken

not sure that’s the case… we got a whole cadre of youngsters out there with college educations, they can’t be as upwardly economically mobile or buying things like good little consumers because of the debt accrued to get them that education. This is the second prong of how there’s little economic freedom out there, the ACA solved some of it, allowing people that don’t have the education debt millstone around their necks some latitude in moving to different jobs because they’re no longer tied to the employer based health care model (despite the continued efforts at the state held statehouse level).

After all, we ended up footing the bill for the economic malfeasance of the financial industry, forgiving that debt would allow a significant section of the workforce the ability to buy cars, houses, take vacations and buy stuff. The continuation of said programs would relieve the working poor of coming up with the scratch to get into and stay in school. In theory, it would actually give some upward economic opportunities to folks who haven’t been able to escape the debt cycle.

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Targetpractice  Oct 14, 2015 • 1:32:40am

re: #189 Amory Blaine

Bill would allow concealed guns in Wisconsin college buildings

Not only have they still occurred, but shootings have become more common as what might have been a simple argument or slugging match turns into a shooting because a hothead decides that simply shooting the other party is a viable option.

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teleskiguy  Oct 14, 2015 • 1:55:33am
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Amory Blaine  Oct 14, 2015 • 2:00:46am

David Brooks channels his inner Rip Van Winkle

The Republicans’ Incompetence Caucus

The House Republican caucus is close to ungovernable these days. How did this situation come about?

This was not just the work of the Freedom Caucus or Ted Cruz or one month’s activity. The Republican Party’s capacity for effective self-governance degraded slowly, over the course of a long chain of rhetorical excesses, mental corruptions and philosophical betrayals. Basically, the party abandoned traditional conservatism for right-wing radicalism. Republicans came to see themselves as insurgents and revolutionaries, and every revolution tends toward anarchy and ends up devouring its own.

I would be stunned but I know next week, he’ll be back to fawning all over the next Teabagger of the Month.

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Oct 14, 2015 • 2:10:43am

re: #159 goddamnedfrank

I’m all for free college education for anybody who both wants it and can hack it. Those two qualifiers alone mean we won’t be paying for 100%. I don’t give a fuck if people end up educated far beyond their occupational requirements, an educated society is a better society.

I am a product of the good old days when in-state tuition was something you could cover with the money you earned working on summer vacation or a part-time job on campus.

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Oct 14, 2015 • 2:13:17am

re: #172 Blind Frog Belly White

Whenever I hear, “How you gonna pay for it?”, I always want to ask, “Do you think we’re not paying for it NOW?”

Or environmental and safety standards. How are we going to pay for it? Either X millions to clean up emissions and improve safety or 10X millions down the line in health care costs.

Except that the latter do not diminish the polluting company’s profits and executive bonuses.

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WhatEVs  Oct 14, 2015 • 3:37:34am

re: #147 Varek Raith

I’m seriously considering the ‘Tiny House Fad’.
Looks interesting.

Some tiny houses are fabulous. All are ingenious! The multi-use household items never cease to amaze.

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WhatEVs  Oct 14, 2015 • 3:42:35am

re: #153 teleskiguy

I’m not saying I agree with Bernie Sanders’ call for free college education for all 100%, maybe more like 75%.

I think there’s misconception. Now I could be wrong, but if I recall correctly, none of the candidates are talking about a free ride to U Penn, UCLA or any other university. I believe they’re talking about junior college where there are no associated costs like housing, et al.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Oct 14, 2015 • 3:46:56am

re: #197 WhatEVs

I think there’s misconception. Now I could be wrong, but if I recall correctly, none of the candidates are talking about a free ride to U Penn, UCLA or any other university. I believe they’re talking about junior college where there are no associated costs like housing, et al.

Countries that offer students a completely free university education also make it substantially harder to get into those universities. The college entrance exams are killers, requiring a lot more knowledge of content than the SAT or ACT.

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WhatEVs  Oct 14, 2015 • 3:50:16am

re: #172 Blind Frog Belly White

Whenever I hear, “How you gonna pay for it?”, I always want to ask, “Do you think we’re not paying for it NOW?”

Take healthcare. Sanders correctly points out we already pay more than anyone else in the whole damned world, per capita and as a percent of GDP, for a system which isn’t even universal, and has one of the lowest levels of satisfied citizens. We’re already paying for it.

Take college tuition. You USED TO be able to get a college education at a state school for nearly free. The cost of a private college, for me, was less than 40% of median income, back in the late 1970s. Now, the formerly free state school costs 50% of median income, and my college costs 100%.

That money isn’t magically appearing from nowhere. No, it’s being loaned to young people by banks, which then have their hooks in them for decades after. The money that former students pay for their loans is money that goes to the top 1%, and doesn’t get spent to buy goods and services.

We’re all paying for it already, and we’re largely paying it to the wealthiest people in society, who found yet another way to transfer wealth from the rest of us to their own pockets.

So, instead of asking, “How you gonna pay for it?”, how about if you ask, “How are we going to reorganize higher education so it’s not just another cash cow for the rich?” Society benefits from not only a more educated populace, but also from a middle class with money to spend.

Well said. Very well said.

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Decatur Deb  Oct 14, 2015 • 3:57:15am

re: #166 A Mom Anon

Some are assuming only young people would go to school if given the chance. I cannot be the only stay home parent who missed the chance to go to school to raise kids. I can’t go back now because there’s simply no way to afford it at all. Or what about adults who would like to change careers and go into vocational school? I would LOVE to attend a college or trade school, even at age 55. Education isn’t wasted, I don’t care when you get it. My biggest issue would be putting my family into horrendous debt only to not be hired anywhere at the end of it because of my age.

Trying to lower the cost of education, even making it free, isn’t pandering, it makes sense. We’re carrying more college/school related debt than any other country. We’re doing it wrong. Leaving school with that much debt is preventing graduates from buying homes and doing other things to stimulate the economy. No matter what their age. We’re also pretty much consigning people to stay in jobs either not related to their education or jobs that they don’t want in order to pay off those loans. It’s ridiculous.

Italy funds Universita per Anziani, a program in which people of retirement age can attend college classes at world-class schools for free. They go as long as they like, do not get a degree. Since they are not using the universities as a trade school, they don’t need one. It is good for them and good for the schools.

edit: Since we were there, they seem to have renamed it “University for the Third Age”.

universita.it

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WhatEVs  Oct 14, 2015 • 4:02:50am

re: #198 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

Countries that offer students a completely free university education also make it substantially harder to get into those universities. The college entrance exams are killers, requiring a lot more knowledge of content than the SAT or ACT.

I’m not opposed to making stricter requirements for free higher ed; like attendance and GPA maintenance, something to show they are actively participating and not just taking advantage.

And the cost of university is insane. The way it is now, education is for the wealthy. Instead of education being an equalizer, it’s another way of making those without the means to pay upfront indentured servants.

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Decatur Deb  Oct 14, 2015 • 4:04:36am

re: #201 WhatEVs

I’m not opposed to making stricter requirements for free higher ed; like attendance and GPA maintenance, something to show they are actively participating and not just taking advantage.

And the cost of university is insane. The way it is now, education is for the wealthy. Instead of education being an equalizer, it’s another way of making those without the means to pay upfront indentured servants.

In the late 60s, states like California were working on the principle that anyone deserved a shot at a semester or two to prove their seriousness. Then they elected Reagan.

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William Lewis  Oct 14, 2015 • 4:09:55am

re: #202 Decatur Deb

Reagan. < spit >

I pray that the US never suffers from a disaster like his presidency ever again.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Oct 14, 2015 • 4:10:35am

re: #201 WhatEVs

I’m not opposed to making stricter requirements for free higher ed; like attendance and GPA maintenance, something to show they are actively participating and not just taking advantage.

And the cost of university is insane. The way it is now, education is for the wealthy. Instead of education being an equalizer, it’s another way of making those without the means to pay upfront indentured servants.

Princeton was the first of the Ivies to attack that problem, by dipping into its deep, deep endowment fund and giving middle class students grants instead of loans. It was a controversial move — the other Ivies were not pleased — but Princeton found the lower-income families could get outside funding more easily than middle-income families, and of course the upper-income folks could just cut a check. With an annual cost of $35,000 or more, a lot of middle-income kids were avoiding the Ivy League schools entirely, to avoid mountainous school loans.

The other Ivies had no choice but to follow Princeton’s lead. But I’m not sure how other expensive private schools, like Stanford, responded.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Oct 14, 2015 • 4:13:47am

I’ve been perusing Malala’s website, and came across this compelling graphic.

8 days of books not bullets — malalafund.org

Link to text blog.malala.org

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goddamnedfrank  Oct 14, 2015 • 4:50:18am
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Timothy Watson  Oct 14, 2015 • 5:12:29am

re: #166 A Mom Anon

Some are assuming only young people would go to school if given the chance. I cannot be the only stay home parent who missed the chance to go to school to raise kids. I can’t go back now because there’s simply no way to afford it at all. Or what about adults who would like to change careers and go into vocational school? I would LOVE to attend a college or trade school, even at age 55. Education isn’t wasted, I don’t care when you get it. My biggest issue would be putting my family into horrendous debt only to not be hired anywhere at the end of it because of my age.

Trying to lower the cost of education, even making it free, isn’t pandering, it makes sense. We’re carrying more college/school related debt than any other country. We’re doing it wrong. Leaving school with that much debt is preventing graduates from buying homes and doing other things to stimulate the economy. No matter what their age. We’re also pretty much consigning people to stay in jobs either not related to their education or jobs that they don’t want in order to pay off those loans. It’s ridiculous.

Some states do have programs for that allow senior citizens to go to college for free or at reduced rates, although Virginia’s is a little miserly:

Section §23-38.56 of the Code of Virginia (also known as the Senior Citizens Higher Education Act) states that Virginians age 60 and older may take college courses without paying tuition. Older citizens may register for and enroll in courses in any state institution of higher education (subject to the admission requirements of the institution) as a full-time or part-time student for academic credit if their federal taxable income does not exceed $15,000 per year. The State Council of Higher Eduction (SCHEV) has details of the Senior Citizen Tuition Waiver.

Virginians age 60 and older, regardless of income, may register for and audit courses in any Virginia institution of higher education. Students may have to pay for course materials and laboratory fees. For more information, contact the admissions office of the state college or university nearest you. SCHEV offers a listing of state colleges and universities.

Edit: Wait, I just looked and that’s out of date, it’s “taxable individual income not exceeding $23,850 for Virginia income tax purposes for the year preceding the year in which enrollment is sought” according to the relevant code section.

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A Mom Anon  Oct 14, 2015 • 5:15:52am

re: #200 Decatur Deb

Someone was telling me that Georgia has something like this, where after age 65 you can go to any state college for free and get a degree if you want to. Haven’t looked into it yet, because hey, I’m 10 yrs away and I don’t plan on living in this state til I die. I hope, lol.

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Doofus  Oct 14, 2015 • 5:20:22am

I think the free college platform is a loser for the Democrats.

1) It will increase costs.

2)It will alienate everyone who is currently or had been paying off student loans.

3) It will lower the quality of the higher ed. received.

I’m sure there are more. Why is the cost of higher ed so high? Answer that before you can bring down the cost of it.

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A Mom Anon  Oct 14, 2015 • 5:22:17am

re: #207 Timothy Watson

It should just be free once you hit 60. It’s stupid that it’s not and it shouldn’t go by income unless you’re making over 100K a year. Most people with money are most likely 1)already holding a degree by age 60 anyway, or 2) not interested in pursuing a degree because they don’t want one or can afford it so why jump through hoops? Some of that almost seems like it’s directed at “moochers” which is just crap. Anyone who wants to invest their brain, body and time into an education should be able to, cost should not be an obstacle, neither should age.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 14, 2015 • 5:26:19am

re: #208 A Mom Anon

Someone was telling me that Georgia has something like this, where after age 65 you can go to any state college for free and get a degree if you want to. Haven’t looked into it yet, because hey, I’m 10 yrs away and I don’t plan on living in this state til I die. I hope, lol.

Illinois has it for those 65 and older at state colleges and universities.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 14, 2015 • 5:28:00am

poor thang…

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A Mom Anon  Oct 14, 2015 • 5:29:37am

re: #209 Doofus

How do other countries manage to graduate people in all kinds of fields without this level of debt? And people currently holding loans could be forgiven a portion of those loans, as well as given more flexibility with interest rates, monthly payments and loan forgiveness if there’s a bankruptcy or health issue that makes it impossible to pay. Just because we’re doing something a certain way doesn’t mean it can’t change. And just because it pisses people off who went into debt is not a great reason to not try something better. The system is broken because of greed mostly, from Congress who won’t do jack about this mess, to banks who gouge students and lobby Congress not to change the rules, to how the institutions themselves spend their money. We can and should do better. We aren’t going to produce the number of skilled people we need to be economically competitive if no one can afford schooling beyond basic public K-12 which conservatives continue to whittle away at.

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Doofus  Oct 14, 2015 • 5:32:11am

re: #213 A Mom Anon

I will agree with you, greed does have a lot to do with the current cost of higher ed. It costs a lot of money for the professor’s upkeep on their summer cottage on the ocean!
/

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HappyWarrior  Oct 14, 2015 • 5:32:36am

re: #212 Backwoods_Sleuth

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poor thang…

Yeah it’s true. Reagan’s SS detail was light the day he got shot.//

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thedopefishlives  Oct 14, 2015 • 5:33:22am

re: #212 Backwoods_Sleuth

[Embedded content]

poor thang…

Actually, it’s probably because the Secret Service officers are busy drawing straws to figure out which of them has to put up with his insufferable ass.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 14, 2015 • 5:34:08am

re: #216 thedopefishlives

Actually, it’s probably because the Secret Service officers are busy drawing straws to figure out which of them has to put up with his insufferable ass.

Poor guys.

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Doofus  Oct 14, 2015 • 5:34:43am

re: #216 thedopefishlives

I’m sure trump can afford the goons that would put any wayward fool thru a wood chipper.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 14, 2015 • 5:36:12am

I think primary candidates don’t get protection until the end of the primaries if I’m not mistaken.

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Oct 14, 2015 • 5:38:29am

re: #219 HappyWarrior

I think primary candidates don’t get protection until the end of the primaries if I’m not mistaken.

That could be a HYUUUUUGE mistake!

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Timothy Watson  Oct 14, 2015 • 5:40:02am

The thing that really pisses me off is the attitude of some (old, white GOP voters) that say shit like, “I worked my way through college, why can’t these moocher kids?”

Which, of course, ignores that tuition has grown at a vastly higher rate than the pay of a high school graduate (but, hey, we don’t need to increase the minimum wage or anything).

It also ignores that the net effect of working at a job and taking a reduced credit load actually ends up resulting in the student paying more for tuition in most cases (especially if the college offers “block” tuition where the student pays the same amount for full-time status regardless of the number of credits taken between 12 and 18), since they have to take fewer classes each semester.

It also ignores the opportunity cost of having to stay in school for another year because you were only able to 12 credits each semester when you need to average 15 each semester to get to 120 credits for a bachelor’s degree in four years. (The student is foregoing an additional year of pay at bachelor’s degree rates because they’re still in school.)

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ChuckJager95  Oct 14, 2015 • 5:41:22am

re: #185 Targetpractice

It’s sad. Back when Bethesda announced Fallout 4 at E3 back in June, six months seemed like a short time to find a job and get the money to buy a new console before November. Now I’ve had a job for close to three months, bought an XBone, and all can I think of it “Why can’t it already be November?!”

I woke up the morning after the announcement, saw the Collector’s edition and promptly pre-ordered it from Amazon, which ran out less than thirty minutes later. I typically don’t pre-order games anymore or even purchase until months later when the price drops and I certainly am not playing the game with a real-life Pip-Boy on my arm*, but it’s going to look so nice on my shelf next to my Fallout 3 and New Vegas collector’s editions.

Now trying to figure out if I want to drop the money on Wasteland 2 to hold me over for a month or not. Leaning towards “yeah” because I want to encourage more PC developers to port strategy games over to console (Looking at you, Firaxis/X-Com 2)

*(okay, maybe ONE play through)

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Timothy Watson  Oct 14, 2015 • 5:41:40am

re: #210 A Mom Anon

It should just be free once you hit 60. It’s stupid that it’s not and it shouldn’t go by income unless you’re making over 100K a year. Most people with money are most likely 1)already holding a degree by age 60 anyway, or 2) not interested in pursuing a degree because they don’t want one or can afford it so why jump through hoops? Some of that almost seems like it’s directed at “moochers” which is just crap. Anyone who wants to invest their brain, body and time into an education should be able to, cost should not be an obstacle, neither should age.

No argument here, it’s especially insulting if the person has paid taxes for ~40 years to the state of Virginia, which is used to subsidize everyone else’s tuition. (Not a bad thing, but if you’ve paid into the system for ~40, I think we can cut you a break.)

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Doofus  Oct 14, 2015 • 5:43:28am

I was going to post the wood chipper scene from Fargo, but folks are probably still eating breffist, have some William H. Macy

Fargo - Oh Geez!

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HappyWarrior  Oct 14, 2015 • 5:44:00am

re: #221 Timothy Watson

The thing that really pisses me off is the attitude of some (old, white GOP voters) that say shit like, “I worked my way through college, why can’t these moocher kids?”

Which, of course, ignores that tuition has grown at a vastly higher rate than the pay of a high school graduate (but, hey, we don’t need to increase the minimum wage or anything).

It also ignores that the net effect of working at a job and taking a reduced credit load actually ends up resulting in the student paying more for tuition in most cases (especially if the college offers “block” tuition where the student pays the same amount for full-time status regardless of the number of credits taken between 12 and 18), since they have to take fewer classes each semester.

It also ignores the opportunity cost of having to stay in school for another year because you were only able to 12 credits each semester when you need to average 15 each semester to get to 120 credits for a bachelor’s degree in four years. (The student is foregoing an additional year of pay at bachelor’s degree rates because they’re still in school.)

There’s a meme. Forget what it’s called that shows that attitude not only with regards to education but also housing and jobs by older folks towards millenials. Anyhow doesn’t Germany have a program like what Sanders is proposing and what’s considered a quality university system?

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The Vicious Babushka  Oct 14, 2015 • 5:44:13am

re: #216 thedopefishlives

Actually, it’s probably because the Secret Service officers are busy drawing straws to figure out which of them has to put up with his insufferable ass.

It’s because Secret Service agents don’t want to get beat up by Trump’s personal Praetorian Guard.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 14, 2015 • 5:47:00am

Senator Grumpypants says WHAT???

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HappyWarrior  Oct 14, 2015 • 5:47:35am

Anyhow it pays to invest in your citizenry. Look at the GI BIll in the 50’s. Furthermore there are plenty of smart kids who have a hard time affording college. That’s not right. The status quo obviously isn’t working and I appreciate Sanders at least trying to come up with a solution.

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b.d.  Oct 14, 2015 • 5:47:57am

re: #212 Backwoods_Sleuth

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poor thang…

Doesn’t a primary candidate have to request Secret Service protection? I think once someone is nominee it is automatic but a candidate can get it if he requests it.

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thedopefishlives  Oct 14, 2015 • 5:48:45am

re: #226 The Vicious Babushka

It’s because Secret Service agents don’t want to get beat up by Trump’s personal Praetorian Guard.

Which then leads to the question, if he’s got his own hired goon squad, the hell does he need Secret Service for?

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HappyWarrior  Oct 14, 2015 • 5:48:57am

re: #227 Backwoods_Sleuth

Senator Grumpypants says WHAT???

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Really the guy famous for his tantrums with members of his own party is saying this? Go home McCain, you’re drunk.

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Amory Blaine  Oct 14, 2015 • 5:50:18am

re: #227 Backwoods_Sleuth

heh. That was a pretty good joke.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 14, 2015 • 5:50:51am

re: #229 b.d.

Doesn’t a primary candidate have to request Secret Service protection? I think once someone is nominee it is automatic but a candidate can get it if he requests it.

Primary candidates can request it. Secret Service gets to decide whether they want to grant it.
Trump is whining because Obama got SS protection unusually early, so he should too because he’s so much more popular and drawing yooge crowds.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 14, 2015 • 5:50:58am

re: #230 thedopefishlives

Which then leads to the question, if he’s got his own hired goon squad, the hell does he need Secret Service for?

He wants free stuff.//

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Timothy Watson  Oct 14, 2015 • 5:51:29am

re: #214 Doofus

I will agree with you, greed does have a lot to do with the current cost of higher ed. It costs a lot of money for the professor’s upkeep on their summer cottage on the ocean!
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Yeah, pay for college professors sucks. And a lot of colleges are using adjunct faculty more and more, and they only get paid a flat fee for each class they teach.

I think there needs to be some serious analysis of where college tuition is going. Virginia’s Joint Legislative Audit and Review Committee (JLARC) linked massive tuition increases at several universities to spending on college athletics and found that 12% of total tuition and fees went to athletic programs.
richmond.com

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Targetpractice  Oct 14, 2015 • 5:52:32am

re: #228 HappyWarrior

Anyhow it pays to invest in your citizenry. Look at the GI BIll in the 50’s. Furthermore there are plenty of smart kids who have a hard time affording college. That’s not right. The status quo obviously isn’t working and I appreciate Sanders at least trying to come up with a solution.

The GI Bill was one of the best investments Congress has ever made in the American people. It has paid itself back many times over, helped the rise of the middle class during the middle of the 20th century, and helped drive so many new ideas and technologies. That we now look at that investment, at the idea of providing free or severely reduced cost higher education to all and think “But what about those who are already saddled with backbreaking student loans?” is astoundingly ridiculous. The rest of the world is eating our lunch because we as a country stopped viewing higher education as an investment and started viewing it as threat to “Real America.”

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HappyWarrior  Oct 14, 2015 • 5:52:32am

re: #233 Backwoods_Sleuth

Primary candidates can request it. Secret Service gets to decide whether they want to grant it.
Trump is whining because Obama got SS protection unusually early, so he should too because he’s so much more popular and drawing yooge crowds.

I’m sure they do it based on threats. I imagine Obama got more threats than Trump has. For someone who loves to talk tough, Trump is a huuuuuge baby.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 14, 2015 • 5:53:22am

re: #236 Targetpractice

The GI Bill was one of the best investments Congress has ever made in the American people. It has paid itself back many times over, helped the rise of the middle class during the middle of the 20th century, and helped drive so many new ideas and technologies. That we now look at that investment, at the idea of providing free or severely reduced cost higher education to all and think “But what about those who are already saddled with backbreaking student loans?” is astoundingly ridiculous. The rest of the world is eating our lunch because we as a country stopped viewing higher education as an investment and started viewing it as threat to “Real America.”

Exactly. Said it better than I could.

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Timothy Watson  Oct 14, 2015 • 5:53:33am

re: #228 HappyWarrior

Anyhow it pays to invest in your citizenry. Look at the GI BIll in the 50’s. Furthermore there are plenty of smart kids who have a hard time affording college. That’s not right. The status quo obviously isn’t working and I appreciate Sanders at least trying to come up with a solution.

And students don’t pick the most challenging or interesting university or college and instead pick the one that’s closest to home so they can defer some of the costs.

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lawhawk  Oct 14, 2015 • 5:54:22am

re: #15 Pawn of the Oppressor

Wow. Someday I want to have great judge stories like that!

(my legal career is embryonic at this time)

That’s the kind of thing that they teach in law school. If there are deadlines to get papers filed, meet them, especially if you’re the one who asked for and received extensions.

If there are actual mitigating factors - like hospitalization of key participants (the attorney in small firm, the plaintiff/defendant on whom key information relies but is unable to communicate, etc.), the judge is likely to be sympathetic to grant extensions.

Bumbling and stumbling to extension after extension even though you’re unable to field a cogent legal argument, and the facts are wanting? Nope, that’s not going to cut it.

Making unforced error after error? Makes you wonder precisely how the guy is still a lawyer (and whether other clients might have second thoughts about using him if he’s screwing up this badly).

The judge could and should have a field day with these motions. It could be one of those epic decisions that are a delight to read because the prose is so not like the typical dry stuff we ordinarily have to slog through.

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Big Beautiful Door  Oct 14, 2015 • 5:54:49am

We could provide free tuition to public community colleges and universities without it costing a penny more by ending financial aid to private colleges and universities. For-profit colleges in particular are primarily scams to sop up federal financial aid and frequently leaves their students deep in debt with a worthless degree or no degree at all.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 14, 2015 • 5:55:20am

re: #239 Timothy Watson

And students don’t pick the most challenging or interesting university or college and instead pick the one that’s closest to home so they can defer some of the costs.

Right. As I said, the status quo doesn’t seem to be working at all. Underemployment is a big problem too. Lord knows I know that.

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Targetpractice  Oct 14, 2015 • 5:56:45am

re: #235 Timothy Watson

Yeah, pay for college professors sucks. And a lot of colleges are using adjunct faculty more and more, and they only get paid a flat fee for each class they teach.

I think there needs to be some serious analysis of where college tuition is going. Virginia’s Joint Legislative Audit and Review Committee (JLARC) linked massive tuition increases at several universities to spending on college athletics and found that 12% of total tuition and fees went to athletic programs.
richmond.com

Indeed, you wanna know where your college tuition is going, look at the college football coaches bringing down seven figure salaries.

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SirMixALot  Oct 14, 2015 • 5:57:10am

Someone in Chuck’s private life needs to hold an intervention. They need to get that guy help. He’s mentally unstable. He’s either going to violently harm himself or others. If he hasn’t already. I fear for his supposed wife.

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lawhawk  Oct 14, 2015 • 5:57:20am

re: #212 Backwoods_Sleuth

The USSS wont move to issue a protection detail until he’s the presumptive nominee. If he had been a VP, member of the Cabinet or spouse to the President (etc), a detail would have been assigned already (as is the case with Hillary, and would be the case if Biden jumps in as he is currently VP).

The USSS wont provide a detail just because you say so.

That said, if there’s a security situation that warrants assigning a detail, the USSS would do so.

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Amory Blaine  Oct 14, 2015 • 5:57:48am

The states have been steadily declining funding. I think it was as high as 70% in Wisconsin. State funding is now around 18%.

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Big Beautiful Door  Oct 14, 2015 • 5:58:11am

re: #242 HappyWarrior

Right. As I said, the status quo doesn’t seem to be working at all. Underemployment is a big problem too. Lord knows I know that.

For all the talk about the job market being tight, U-6 unemployment, which includes people working part-time who can’t find a full-time job, and people marginally attached to the work force, is still at 10%, which is a point higher than the pre-recession average.

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A Mom Anon  Oct 14, 2015 • 5:58:36am

re: #241 Big Beautiful Door

University of Phoenix just got kicked out of the program to get money for veterans to use them for school because they’re a scam. Good. More should be following suit. I think there are some things/classes you can do online and be ok, but not an entire education. I know UOP had some actual physical campuses, but the stories I’ve heard make them out to be a joke. The whole system needs a freaking cleanse.

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The Vicious Babushka  Oct 14, 2015 • 5:59:04am

re: #230 thedopefishlives

Which then leads to the question, if he’s got his own hired goon squad, the hell does he need Secret Service for?

HURR HURR TEH OTHERS GETS FREE BODYGUARDS, WHY NOT ME TOO!!!!!!

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HappyWarrior  Oct 14, 2015 • 6:00:05am

re: #243 Targetpractice

Indeed, you wanna know where your college tuition is going, look at the college football coaches bringing down seven figure salaries.

There’s a map that shows the highest state paid employee. Almost all of them are D1 football or basketball coaches.

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goddamnedfrank  Oct 14, 2015 • 6:00:17am

re: #219 HappyWarrior

I think primary candidates don’t get protection until the end of the primaries if I’m not mistaken.

Usually but not always. Obama got it early because of the combination of unprecedented crowd levels and credible threats as the first black candidate with a plausible path to victory (Shirley Chisholm was the first black candidate from a major party.) Of course Obama’s rival in 2008 already had Secret Service protection as a former First Lady, so there was no perceived imbalance or favoritism in protecting him.

Trump on the other hand can afford his own protection, and isn’t the subject of any plausible threats his security can’t handle, at least that I’m aware of. Also, unless they provide protection to every major candidate in the GOP Primary race his opponents will have good reason to think he’s being singled out for special treatment.

That said if I were Obama and Clinton I’d would encourage the Secret Service to give Trump protection now, while in a strategically timed statement also vocalizing a wish that nothing prevents him from becoming the GOP candidate.

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Amory Blaine  Oct 14, 2015 • 6:00:36am

It should be assessed case by case and according to risk.

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Dr. Matt  Oct 14, 2015 • 6:00:48am
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Targetpractice  Oct 14, 2015 • 6:01:47am

re: #244 SirMixALot

Someone in Chuck’s private life needs to hold an intervention. They need to get that guy help. He’s mentally unstable. He’s either going to violently harm himself or others. If he hasn’t already. I fear for his supposed wife.

I think that time has come and gone. That the people in his life have either been supportive of his self-destruction or have been unable/unwilling to slap some sense into him. When this suit crashes and burns, and Gawker takes him to the cleaners, his self-delusion is such that he’ll be absolutely convinced he’s the victim. And you’re right, I’m not sure I want to imagine how he’s going to react when his fever dream breaks and he realizes just how screwed he really is.

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Bird in the Paw  Oct 14, 2015 • 6:01:59am

re: #185 Targetpractice

Now I’ve had a job for close to three months, bought an XBone, and all can I think of it “Why can’t it already be November?!”

There’s your mistake, shoulda gone with the PS4. I am looking forward to the new Fallout; how it will fit in with all the time playing Destiny, I don’t know.

Nice knowing you, Family.

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Dr. Matt  Oct 14, 2015 • 6:02:11am
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HappyWarrior  Oct 14, 2015 • 6:02:41am

re: #247 Big Beautiful Door

For all the talk about the job market being tight, U-6 unemployment, which includes people working part-time who can’t find a full-time job, and people marginally attached to the work force, is still at 10%, which is a point higher than the pre-recession average.

I blame a lot of that on employers who refuse to take chances on people. Can’t tell you all the stories I’ve heard about qualified prospective employees getting turned down because the employer and HR found a fault. That’s exactly why I don’t worship the “job creators.” I’ve been fucked too many times to count since graduation.

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sagehen  Oct 14, 2015 • 6:03:00am

re: #204 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

The other Ivies had no choice but to follow Princeton’s lead. But I’m not sure how other expensive private schools, like Stanford, responded.

Stanford is tuition-free for anyone whose parents make less than six figures, sliding-scale for students from wealthier families.

Alumni like it so much they’ve increased their donations. Professors have reported that economic diversity has improved the quality of class discussion, broadened the range of term paper topics, and brought in a harder-working, more serious set of students (fewer alcohol-related mishaps, fewer lazy freshmen dropping out), and local businesses are happier with the range of applicants for their internships.

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Targetpractice  Oct 14, 2015 • 6:04:51am

re: #255 Bird in the Paw

There’s your mistake, shoulda gone with the PS4. I am looking forward to the new Fallout; how it will fit in with all the time playing Destiny, I don’t know.

Nice knowing you, Family.

Was reading about Bethesda promising something like 400 hours of gameplay in Fallout 4. And then took stock of the fact that, accounting for the vanilla game, the DLCs, and exploring every nook and cranny, I still had only a little over 100 hours in Fallout 3.

Between that and my job, I’m not sure when I’m gonna be able to sleep.

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Decatur Deb  Oct 14, 2015 • 6:05:15am

re: #236 Targetpractice

The GI Bill was one of the best investments Congress has ever made in the American people. It has paid itself back many times over, helped the rise of the middle class during the middle of the 20th century, and helped drive so many new ideas and technologies. That we now look at that investment, at the idea of providing free or severely reduced cost higher education to all and think “But what about those who are already saddled with backbreaking student loans?” is astoundingly ridiculous. The rest of the world is eating our lunch because we as a country stopped viewing higher education as an investment and started viewing it as threat to “Real America.”

In 1965 I fed myself one weekend by running my penny collection through nut and candy machines up and down Lexington Avenue. In 1972 I graduated from Louisville with a Summa. The difference was the GI Bill and the 3-11 shift on an assembly line.

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The Vicious Babushka  Oct 14, 2015 • 6:05:21am

I think Hillary was the winner of last night’s debate. She was sharp, on point, and threw back all the shit they flung at her.

Bernie was disappointing especially with his squashy foreign policy and gun positions, but he won BEST MEME OF THE EVENT with I AM SICK AND TIRED OF ALL THESE DAMN EMAILS!!!!!!

O’Malley had a few moments but mostly Meh

Chaffee: entirely Meh

Webb DINO, get your ass over to the GOP side.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 14, 2015 • 6:05:42am

re: #256 Dr. Matt

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Freebies? Like the tax cuts and lower regulations the Republicans constantly promise and give their wealthy buds? Really at least the Democrats want to invest in our citizenry. That’s more than you can say about the GOP who will raise taxes on us anyhow and then use that revenue on a bloated DoD budget.

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Targetpractice  Oct 14, 2015 • 6:06:24am

re: #256 Dr. Matt

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Translation: “Look at all the stuff they wanna spend money on! Money we could be using to blow up Ay-rabs and Russkies!”

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HappyWarrior  Oct 14, 2015 • 6:06:52am

re: #263 Targetpractice

Translation: “Look at all the stuff they wanna spend money on! Money we could be using to blow up Ay-rabs and Russkies!”

Pretty much. Fuckers.

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Camacho DeezNuts 2016  Oct 14, 2015 • 6:06:59am

re: #257 HappyWarrior

I blame a lot of that on employers who refuse to take chances on people. Can’t tell you all the stories I’ve heard about qualified prospective employees getting turned down because the employer and HR found a fault. That’s exactly why I don’t worship the “job creators.” I’ve been fucked too many times to count since graduation.

You just need to work harder for less pay and you’ll get wealthy.

St Bootstrappius

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goddamnedfrank  Oct 14, 2015 • 6:07:20am

re: #258 sagehen

Stanford is tuition-free for anyone whose parents make less than six figures, sliding-scale for students from wealthier families.

Alumni like it so much they’ve increased their donations. Professors have reported that economic diversity has improved the quality of class discussion, broadened the range of term paper topics, and brought in a harder-working, more serious set of students (fewer alcohol-related mishaps, fewer lazy freshmen dropping out), and local businesses are happier with the range of applicants for their internships.

Stanford is positioned rather uniquely to profit off Silicon Valley’s largesse. That definitely plays a role in how generous it can afford to be.

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lawhawk  Oct 14, 2015 • 6:09:26am

re: #256 Dr. Matt

Freebies? You pay for Medicare through payroll tax deductions (same as for UI and SS). If you’re working, you’re paying in a percentage of your wages to those programs. The problem is that there’s an income cap on SS, so if you make more than $113,700, any amount over that isn’t subject to the payroll tax for Social Security. It disproportionately hits those making less than $113,700 (as adjusted for inflation annually).

Health care isn’t free, even if the GOP says otherwise. If you’re paying premiums for insurance, you’re paying for it.

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sagehen  Oct 14, 2015 • 6:09:27am

re: #233 Backwoods_Sleuth

Primary candidates can request it. Secret Service gets to decide whether they want to grant it.
Trump is whining because Obama got SS protection unusually early, so he should too because he’s so much more popular and drawing yooge crowds.

Obama got SS protection early because he had a massive number of serious, credible threats. It wasn’t just for giggles.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 14, 2015 • 6:10:15am

re: #265 Camacho DeezNuts 2016

You just need to work harder for less pay and you’ll get wealthy.

St Bootstrappius

Of course. Anyhow I’m happy to be employed again even if it is a temp position doing something I could have in high school but goddamn so many of these employers who want us to get on our knees and thank them so much for the jobs. I’m sorry but I am tired of well qualified people being relegated to the dreaded non paid internship because an employer doesn’t want to take a long term chance on someone.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 14, 2015 • 6:11:08am

re: #251 goddamnedfrank

Usually but not always. Obama got it early because of the combination of unprecedented crowd levels and credible threats as the first black candidate with a plausible path to victory (Shirley Chisholm was the first black candidate from a major party.) Of course Obama’s rival in 2008 already had Secret Service protection as a former First Lady, so there was no perceived imbalance or favoritism in protecting him.

Trump on the other hand can afford his own protection, and isn’t the subject of any plausible threats his security can’t handle, at least that I’m aware of. Also, unless they provide protection to every major candidate in the GOP Primary race his opponents will have good reason to think he’s being singled out for special treatment.

That said if I were Obama and Clinton I’d would encourage the Secret Service to give Trump protection now, while in a strategically timed statement also vocalizing a wish that nothing prevents him from becoming the GOP candidate.

Gotcha. Agreed in any case.

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Bird in the Paw  Oct 14, 2015 • 6:11:26am

For Teliskiguy: my son posted this and I thought of you. Because. Oh, yeah, snow. :-/
facebook.com

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goddamnedfrank  Oct 14, 2015 • 6:13:10am

re: #252 Amory Blaine

It should be assessed case by case and according to risk.

I also don’t see anyone saying that the Mexican victim who was attacked by Trump’s supporters should have received prescriptive protection. Even though Trump’s racist, scapegoating rhetoric played into and inspired that attack, and when questioned about it his only response was, “I will say, the people that are following me are very passionate,” Trump said. “They love this country, they want this country to be great again.”

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Doofus  Oct 14, 2015 • 6:13:59am

re: #267 lawhawk

The income cap on SS is for a reason. What you put in, is what you get out.

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Pip's Squeak  Oct 14, 2015 • 6:15:39am

University tuition ought to be free or at least no more than modest. One could start funding such by retracting spending on athletics. In fact, the lack of public education funding in general ought to be addressed by firing athletic coaches and closing sport departments at high schools and universities. Expenditure on sports is an utter waste.

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thedopefishlives  Oct 14, 2015 • 6:16:52am

re: #256 Dr. Matt

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I defy the Republican morons to tell me how any single one of those listed items is a bad thing to have.

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Targetpractice  Oct 14, 2015 • 6:18:32am

re: #261 The Vicious Babushka

I think Hillary was the winner of last night’s debate. She was sharp, on point, and threw back all the shit they flung at her.

Bernie was disappointing especially with his squashy foreign policy and gun positions, but he won BEST MEME OF THE EVENT with [large]I AM SICK AND TIRED OF ALL THESE DAMN EMAILS!!!!!![/large]

O’Malley had a few moments but mostly Meh

Chaffee: entirely Meh

Webb DINO, get your ass over to the GOP side.

I think Bernie did well last night, but I also think that the most he’s really contributed to this election is getting people thinking about the major issues with income inequality and the massive influence wealth has on politics, serving the role a lot of us had hoped he’d take in getting Hillary to shift center-left rather than staying in her centrist comfort zone.

And while Hillary was the big winner last night, the big loser was Joe Biden. It’s seriously past time for him to either shit or get off the pot. This “will he or won’t he?” business has gone past simply being stale and started to hurt the polling of the other candidates. If he’s going to run, he needed to be there last night to give a third viable option to voters. If he’s not, then he needs to make that clear and allow us to move forward without looking over our shoulders for his 11th hour candidacy.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 14, 2015 • 6:19:51am

Lre: #275 thedopefishlives

I defy the Republican morons to tell me how any single one of those listed items is a bad thing to have.

Right. As I said, the Republican rubes can keep their party who are the very wealthy errand boys, I’ll take the party who actually sees me and my fellow citizens as worth being invested in.

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Camacho DeezNuts 2016  Oct 14, 2015 • 6:20:06am
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goddamnedfrank  Oct 14, 2015 • 6:20:27am

re: #274 Pip’s Squeak

In fact, the lack of public education funding in general ought to be addressed by firing athletic coaches and closing sport departments at high schools and universities. Expenditure on sports is an utter waste.

College football makes money, tons of money. College basketball does too, the NCAA Division I basketball championships bring in mad cash. I wish this wasn’t the case, but it is. The unfortunate thing is how little of that money actually goes to funding education.

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Camacho DeezNuts 2016  Oct 14, 2015 • 6:20:52am

If you are paid too much you won’t work hard.

St Bootstrappius

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lawhawk  Oct 14, 2015 • 6:20:56am

re: #273 Doofus

The income cap on SS is for a reason. What you put in, is what you get out.

I understand that, but for those who complain about solvency, there’s good reason to lift the income cap, while maintaining the benefit cap - those who have more income are more likely to be in a position not to need SS.

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Targetpractice  Oct 14, 2015 • 6:22:21am

re: #280 Camacho DeezNuts 2016

If you are paid too much you won’t work hard.

St Bootstrappius

Which makes no sense next to the argument that CEOs and other execs deserve their enormous salaries because “They work so hard.”

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 14, 2015 • 6:22:27am
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No Depression  Oct 14, 2015 • 6:23:19am

re: #256 Dr. Matt

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Damn Democrats, promising spending on things that benefit the middle class instead of defense contractors and the 1%!

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goddamnedfrank  Oct 14, 2015 • 6:23:39am

re: #273 Doofus

The income cap on SS is for a reason. What you put in, is what you get out.

No it isn’t. Absolutely tons of people pay in over their entire working lives and then die before they get a chance to get anything. It wouldn’t be any less fair to raise or eliminate the maximum taxable earnings limit.

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No Depression  Oct 14, 2015 • 6:23:46am

re: #283 Backwoods_Sleuth

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He’s saying that like it’s a bad thing.

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Targetpractice  Oct 14, 2015 • 6:24:02am

re: #283 Backwoods_Sleuth

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They do realize that Obama is still popular, right? Certainly more so than Dubya was at this point.

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The Vicious Babushka  Oct 14, 2015 • 6:24:19am

re: #282 Targetpractice

Which makes no sense next to the argument that CEOs and other execs deserve their enormous salaries because “They work so hard.”

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goddamnedfrank  Oct 14, 2015 • 6:26:00am

re: #281 lawhawk

I understand that, but for those who complain about solvency, there’s good reason to lift the income cap, while maintaining the benefit cap - those who have more income are more likely to be in a position not to need SS.

If I were in charge I’d lift the income cap, institute a means test and teleport anybody who bitches about it to my super classy moon prison.

I should be in charge.

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Targetpractice  Oct 14, 2015 • 6:26:30am

Not to mention that Jeb! is floating most of the same ideas that are the reason why his brother was so reviled by the time he left office. Last night, Hillary pretty much put the kibosh on her vote for Iraq and Webb reminded folks he was one of the few who actually did vote “No” to that fiasco, meanwhile Jeb! is out there trying to convince people that it was a worthwhile mission and perhaps we should consider further “regime change.”

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HappyWarrior  Oct 14, 2015 • 6:28:31am

Jeb has most of his brother’s same advisers. He has no room at all to call Hillary a third term of Obama.

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Big Beautiful Door  Oct 14, 2015 • 6:28:33am

re: #275 thedopefishlives

I defy the Republican morons to tell me how any single one of those listed items is a bad thing to have.

Because giving that money to billionaires instead will cause it to trickle back down on all of us!/

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b.d.  Oct 14, 2015 • 6:29:11am

I’d rather have a Democrat give us a free social program that benefits the citizens than a Republican give us another free war.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 14, 2015 • 6:29:27am

re: #293 b.d.

I’d rather have a Democrat give us a free social program that benefits the citizens than a Republican give us another free war.

Fucking A.

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Oct 14, 2015 • 6:30:07am

re: #293 b.d.

I’d rather have a Democrat give us a free social program that benefits the citizens than a Republican give us another free war.

You mean a war that’s supposed to pay for itself with oil revenues?

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The Vicious Babushka  Oct 14, 2015 • 6:30:22am

re: #282 Targetpractice

Which makes no sense next to the argument that CEOs and other execs deserve their enormous salaries because “They work so hard.”

Here is the STUPIDEST LADY USING TWITTER (SLUT) who has never had a job in her entire life, but thinks all rich people earn their wealth by “producing innovative products”

I haven’t figured out what is “innovative” about the cheap, 3rd world slave labor shit sold at Walmart, or industrial edible product sold at fast food outlets.

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goddamnedfrank  Oct 14, 2015 • 6:30:51am

re: #290 Targetpractice

Not to mention that Jeb! is floating most of the same ideas that are the reason why his brother was so reviled by the time he left office. Last night, Hillary pretty much put the kibosh on her vote for Iraq and Webb reminded folks he was one of the few who actually did vote “No” to that fiasco, meanwhile Jeb! is out there trying to convince people that it was a worthwhile mission and perhaps we should consider further “regime change.”

Sanders. Webb wrote an article questioning the wisdom of going to war, but wasn’t in a position to vote on it.

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Oct 14, 2015 • 6:31:36am

re: #296 The Vicious Babushka

Apparently @HillaryClinton & Bernie require more study. How does getting rich providing innovative products to society hurt poor?

that is one way to get rich, but there are many others that involve little benefit to anyone but the owners of the companies

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sizzzzlerz  Oct 14, 2015 • 6:31:38am

re: #67 The War TARDIS

Characters between Game of Thrones and Doctor Who.

Maisie Williams will be playing a character in Doctor Who, possibly for 2 weeks.

So, Radio Times, looked through, and found all the links.

Very cool. Being that most, if not all, are British actors, I’m not familiar with them enough to recognize them, especially the minor GoT actors. I’ve looked for similar lists for a number of US shows, ones with big casts, like Lost, The Wire, Sopranos, Deadwood, Sons of Anarchy, Justified, and The Shield and have found a number of actors appearing in two or more of these. Not surprising, really, but its fun when I recognize someone and try and recall where I saw them before.

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Targetpractice  Oct 14, 2015 • 6:32:16am

re: #297 goddamnedfrank

Sanders. Webb wrote an article questioning the wisdom of going to war, but wasn’t in a position to vote on it.

Ah, thanks, you’re right. These late nights have muddled my brain.

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No Depression  Oct 14, 2015 • 6:32:19am

re: #296 The Vicious Babushka

Here is the STUPIDEST LADY USING TWITTER (SLUT) who has never had a job in her entire life, but thinks all rich people earn their wealth by “producing innovative products”

I haven’t figured out what is “innovative” about the cheap, 3rd world slave labor shit sold at Walmart, or industrial edible product sold at fast food outlets.

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I take it she’s never watched Shark Tank and seen the “innovative” useless bullshit being peddled.

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Big Beautiful Door  Oct 14, 2015 • 6:32:59am

re: #298 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

that is one way to get rich, but there are many others that involve little benefit to anyone but the owners of the companies

i.e. Hedge Fund managers, who generally perform worse than just putting your money in a no-load fund that tracks the stock market.

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The Vicious Babushka  Oct 14, 2015 • 6:33:07am

“How does it hurt poor?”

When poors work for these companies and don’t get paid a living wage, and have to depend on government assistance to survive, they are being hurt Janie dear. Of course Janie in her voluminous Twitter feed thinks poor people “don’t deserve” a living wage and if they accept food stamps and other assistance to augment their meager poverty pay, they are “lazy moochers”

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sagehen  Oct 14, 2015 • 6:33:30am

re: #274 Pip’s Squeak

University tuition ought to be free or at least no more than modest. One could start funding such by retracting spending on athletics. In fact, the lack of public education funding in general ought to be addressed by firing athletic coaches and closing sport departments at high schools and universities. Expenditure on sports is an utter waste.

High school athletics is good for the kids. Promotes discipline, builds confidence, teaches teamwork. It’s not just some wacky coincidence that girls who do school sports have a near-zero rate of pregnancy drop-outs. High school athletes generally are less likely to do drugs, more likely to go to college and get better grades than non-athletes. (Big 10 football scholarships, that’s another story.)

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HappyWarrior  Oct 14, 2015 • 6:33:59am

Chaffee voted no too to be fair. Only Senate R to do so.

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Big Beautiful Door  Oct 14, 2015 • 6:35:14am

re: #305 HappyWarrior

Chaffee voted no too to be fair. Only Senate R to do so.

He seems like a nice enough guy, but definitely not presidential material.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 14, 2015 • 6:35:34am

re: #306 Big Beautiful Door

He seems like a nice enough guy, but definitely not presidential material.

Right.

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Targetpractice  Oct 14, 2015 • 6:36:34am

re: #296 The Vicious Babushka

Here is the STUPIDEST LADY USING TWITTER (SLUT) who has never had a job in her entire life, but thinks all rich people earn their wealth by “producing innovative products”

I haven’t figured out what is “innovative” about the cheap, 3rd world slave labor shit sold at Walmart, or industrial edible product sold at fast food outlets.

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Better yet, let’s remember the fellow who coded MSDOS and how rich he became…oh, right, he didn’t become rich because a college dropout convinced IBM to buy the rights to 86-DOS, then rewrote it just enough to sell as his own product. That college dropout is Bill Gates, one of the richest men in America.

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goddamnedfrank  Oct 14, 2015 • 6:37:50am

I should have infinite editing time, maybe not you plebs but me, I definitely should. I wouldn’t abuse it, you can absolutely trust me. I’d make the Internet great again, subject - verb agreement to die for!

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Oct 14, 2015 • 6:38:07am

re: #301 No Depression

I take it she’s never watched Shark Tank and seen the “innovative” useless bullshit being peddled.

I saw a guy convinced that glowing iceskates would be the wave of the future, and a big money maker. The shark guys gave him $25,000 and said “we’ll take it from here.”

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HappyWarrior  Oct 14, 2015 • 6:38:30am

If you seriously think a minimum wage worker is lazy and the billionaire is all hard eork, you’re delufickingional.

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Big Beautiful Door  Oct 14, 2015 • 6:39:18am

re: #308 Targetpractice

Better yet, let’s remember the fellow who coded MSDOS and how rich he became…oh, right, he didn’t become rich because a college dropout convinced IBM to buy the rights to 86-DOS, then rewrote it just enough to sell as his own product. That college dropout is Bill Gates, one of the richest men in America.

I haven’t seen the new Jobs movie yet, but my favorite Jobs movie so far was the TV version in which Anthody Michael Hall played Gates and I think Noah Wyle played Jobs.

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William Lewis  Oct 14, 2015 • 6:40:19am

re: #308 Targetpractice

Better yet, let’s remember the fellow who coded MSDOS and how rich he became…oh, right, he didn’t become rich because a college dropout convinced IBM to buy the rights to 86-DOS, then rewrote it just enough to sell as his own product. That college dropout is Bill Gates, one of the richest men in America.

Don’t forget that his first product - MS Basic - was written on a PDP-10 donated to his college by the Navy on the condition that no commercial work be done on it. Rules are for peons.

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Timothy Watson  Oct 14, 2015 • 6:41:29am

re: #279 goddamnedfrank

College football makes money, tons of money. College basketball does too, the NCAA Division I basketball championships bring in mad cash. I wish this wasn’t the case, but it is. The unfortunate thing is how little of that money actually goes to funding education.

It doesn’t make money for the universities, none of the universities in Virginia have a positive return on investment for athletic spending:
richmond.com

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The Vicious Babushka  Oct 14, 2015 • 6:42:18am

Is there a Vine of Bernie saying I HAVE RUN OUT OF SHITS TO GIVE ABOUT YOUR FUCKING EMAILS I want to watch it over and over

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goddamnedfrank  Oct 14, 2015 • 6:42:22am

re: #313 William Lewis

Don’t forget that his first product - MS Basic - was written on a PDP-10 donated to his college by the Navy on the condition that no commercial work be done on it. Rules are for peons.

Off to the moon prison with you!

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Targetpractice  Oct 14, 2015 • 6:42:53am

re: #312 Big Beautiful Door

I haven’t seen the new Jobs movie yet, but my favorite Jobs movie so far was the TV version in which Anthody Michael Hall played gates and I think Noah Wyle played Jobs.

Pirates of Silicon Valley, a great film for on a Made-for-TV budget.

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sagehen  Oct 14, 2015 • 6:43:31am

re: #308 Targetpractice

Better yet, let’s remember the fellow who coded MSDOS and how rich he became…oh, right, he didn’t become rich because a college dropout convinced IBM to buy the rights to 86-DOS, then rewrote it just enough to sell as his own product. That college dropout is Bill Gates, one of the richest men in America.

He also doesn’t whine about “OMG taxes taking all my money!” His answer to the concern that government might spend the money badly is… to give it all away and make sure it’s spent wisely before the tax people have a change to get at it. His children will inherit less than one-tenth of one percent of his wealth.

The 2nd richest man in America, Warren Buffet, didn’t want to spend the time and energy figuring out good programs and doing the distribution — so he’s just giving 99.95% of his moneyl to Gates to give away for him.

(contraceptives for everybody in the world, everywhere! eradicate Malaria! and just this month Gates decided to get into R&D for non-carbon energy sources, I think Elon Musk talked him into that one).

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Oct 14, 2015 • 6:46:12am

re: #318 sagehen

He also doesn’t whine about “OMG taxes taking all my money!” His answer to the concern that government might spend the money badly is… to give it all away and make sure it’s spent wisely before the tax people have a change to get at it. His children will inherit less than one-tenth of one percent of his wealth.

The 2nd richest man in America, Warren Buffet, didn’t want to spend the time and energy figuring out good programs and doing the distribution — so he’s just giving 99.95% of his moneyl to Gates to give away for him.

(contraceptives for everybody in the world, everywhere! eradicate Malaria! and just this month Gates decided to get into R&D for non-carbon energy sources, I think Elon Musk talked him into that one).

Gates has met Malala Yousefzai. I don’t know if he gave her fund any money.

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Bird in the Paw  Oct 14, 2015 • 6:47:44am

Isn’t the phrase “giving away free stuff” a tad repetitiously redundant?

Set aside the stupid of “it’s so low cost, I’m practically giving it away” meme.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 14, 2015 • 6:48:27am

re: #320 Bird in the Paw

Isn’t the phrase “giving away free stuff” a tad repetitiously redundant?

Set aside the stupid of “it’s so low cost, I’m practically giving it away” meme.

It’s red meat for Fox viewers nothing more, nothing less.

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Targetpractice  Oct 14, 2015 • 6:54:34am

re: #318 sagehen

He also doesn’t whine about “OMG taxes taking all my money!” His answer to the concern that government might spend the money badly is… to give it all away and make sure it’s spent wisely before the tax people have a change to get at it. His children will inherit less than one-tenth of one percent of his wealth.

The 2nd richest man in America, Warren Buffet, didn’t want to spend the time and energy figuring out good programs and doing the distribution — so he’s just giving 99.95% of his moneyl to Gates to give away for him.

(contraceptives for everybody in the world, everywhere! eradicate Malaria! and just this month Gates decided to get into R&D for non-carbon energy sources, I think Elon Musk talked him into that one).

See, I sneer at how Gates made his first money, but I still respect the man for acknowledging that his wealth should go to better things that safeguarding that wealth or increasing it. And that sets him and Buffett apart from the Kochs or the Trumps, those born to the purple and convinced that the whole point of being wealthy is finding ways to becoming even more obscenely wealthy.

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Smith25's Liberal Thighs  Oct 14, 2015 • 6:57:07am

re: #274 Pip’s Squeak

University tuition ought to be free or at least no more than modest. One could start funding such by retracting spending on athletics. In fact, the lack of public education funding in general ought to be addressed by firing athletic coaches and closing sport departments at high schools and universities. Expenditure on sports is an utter waste.

Yeah, can’t let this one go.

For many a high school student, sports are an important avenue. We rightfully decry when school districts eliminate music and the arts. Sports at a high school level reach many students in the same way. I have had student-athletes that have reasons to not join gangs, or get involved in drugs/alcohol, because of how they would hurt themselves athletically, but more importantly they would negatively affect their team and teammates. Now, are there bad things that happen and bad examples(Stubenville OH) yes, but there are so many more positives that do not get mentioned. And as coaches, we feel we have to work with our students that much more.

There is one particular student that would never have graduated high school, let alone get to where he is today without the ability to play the sport he played. But he had teammates, coaches, and teachers who pushed him, and were able to reach him, at first through sports. This young man eventually received a scholarship to play football and now plays in the NFL. But more importantly, he graduated from college, and has his fall back plan in place once his playing days are over.

One of the other kids I coached used sports as a way to always make sure he did the right thing, even if put in a bad situation. Kid had great values about right/wrong. Proud of him. You can watch him this afternoon play LF for the Blue Jays in game 5.

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Oct 14, 2015 • 6:57:29am

My girlfriend is a spoiled Italian-American princess from Pennsylvania, but, contrary to the stereotype, she has no sense of entitlement, she realizes that she is just lucky and is very sweet and generous.

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lawhawk  Oct 14, 2015 • 6:57:31am

re: #322 Targetpractice

I fall into the category of wanting to become so filthy rich that I can have the privilege of giving it away to charitable institutions and needs.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 14, 2015 • 7:01:22am

re: #315 The Vicious Babushka

Is there a Vine of Bernie saying I HAVE RUN OUT OF SHITS TO GIVE ABOUT YOUR FUCKING EMAILS I want to watch it over and over

vine.co

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Targetpractice  Oct 14, 2015 • 7:02:22am

re: #325 lawhawk

I fall into the category of wanting to become so filthy rich that I can have the privilege of giving it away to charitable institutions and needs.

I rather think the American Dream involves one day being so rich that we can afford to give stuff away. Which is why its so sad to see it perverted into this ideal of becoming so obscenely wealthy that you find yourself constantly paranoid that the government’s gonna come and take it away.

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Oct 14, 2015 • 7:03:19am

re: #327 Targetpractice

I rather think the American Dream involves one day being so rich that we can afford to give stuff away. Which is why its so sad to see it perverted into this ideal of becoming so obscenely wealthy that you find yourself constantly paranoid that the government’s gonna come and take it away.

I hate to say it, but what became of the standards set by Carnegie, Rockefeller and Vanderbilt?

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Targetpractice  Oct 14, 2015 • 7:06:36am

re: #328 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

I hate to say it, but what became of the standards set by Carnegie, Rockefeller and Vanderbilt?

The next generation came along and realized that, instead of giving away their money so as to keep the tax man off their door, they’d just buy off the tax man. Then they realized that, if they could buy him off, why not just buy the tax man’s employer and set their own laws?

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HappyWarrior  Oct 14, 2015 • 7:21:37am

One has to decide whether he’s a pragmatic or an idealist. There’s the old idealist in me who loves alot of Bernie’s ideas and the pragmatist in me who sees how Obama who is much more centrist and I think a better executive than Sanders struggle implementing much of his agenda. It’s not so much to be the most progressive guy or gal in the room, it’s so much more than that especially nowadays when you have people like Ted Cruz and the Freedumb Caucus.

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Amory Blaine  Oct 14, 2015 • 7:22:46am

I buy birdseed in bulk from the pet store and once in a while it has bugs. It looks like Starship Troopers in the jar this time. Some lumbering beetle over here, a seed-boring caterpillar over there. Tip the jar and I see a moth incubating chamber clinging to the glass. O.o

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Oct 14, 2015 • 7:24:08am

re: #331 Amory Blaine

I buy birdseed in bulk from the pet store and once in a while it has bugs. It looks like Starship Troopers in the jar this time. Some lumbering beetle over here, a seed-boring caterpillar over there. Tip the jar and I see a moth incubating chamber clinging to the glass. O.o

Send in the MI army ants!!!

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Oct 14, 2015 • 7:24:21am

re: #331 Amory Blaine

I buy birdseed in bulk from the pet store and once in a while it has bugs. It looks like Starship Troopers in the jar this time. Some lumbering beetle over here, a seed-boring caterpillar over there. Tip the jar and I see a moth incubating chamber clinging to the glass. O.o

Extra protein for your avian friends

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Amory Blaine  Oct 14, 2015 • 7:25:33am

re: #333 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

Yep. It’s for my cockatiel, Angel.

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Oct 14, 2015 • 7:26:16am

re: #334 Amory Blaine

Yep. It’s for my cockatiel, Angel.

they are omnivores?

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darthstar  Oct 14, 2015 • 7:27:59am
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Targetpractice  Oct 14, 2015 • 7:28:09am

re: #330 HappyWarrior

One has to decide whether he’s a pragmatic or an idealist. There’s the old idealist in me who loves alot of Bernie’s ideas and the pragmatist in me who sees how Obama who is much more centrist and I think a better executive than Sanders struggle implementing much of his agenda. It’s not so much to be the most progressive guy or gal in the room, it’s so much more than that especially nowadays when you have people like Ted Cruz and the Freedumb Caucus.

I’ve likened Bernie, or at least the view his fans have of him, to Ron Paul in the past. Not out of malice, because I respect him and his ideas. But out of the realization that most of his support comes from those who think ideas are all that matter, that you’re not hampered if you’ve no way of making those ideas a reality. Many of them even mirror the mindset of Paulians that being elected means his ideas are so popular that the voting public will “punish” any who vote against them.

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Targetpractice  Oct 14, 2015 • 7:28:50am

re: #336 darthstar

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Another election season, another raft of candidates who haven’t the first clue how computers work.

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Timothy Watson  Oct 14, 2015 • 7:29:43am

re: #336 darthstar

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The Internet, how the fuck does that work.

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Amory Blaine  Oct 14, 2015 • 7:29:53am

Angel wouldn’t eat a bug mainly because it’s moving (and she’s a little scaredy), but I’ve had other birds (parrots) that will.

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darthstar  Oct 14, 2015 • 7:30:58am

re: #330 HappyWarrior

One has to decide whether he’s a pragmatic or an idealist. There’s the old idealist in me who loves alot of Bernie’s ideas and the pragmatist in me who sees how Obama who is much more centrist and I think a better executive than Sanders struggle implementing much of his agenda. It’s not so much to be the most progressive guy or gal in the room, it’s so much more than that especially nowadays when you have people like Ted Cruz and the Freedumb Caucus.

I think Bernie, at the end of the day, knows there has to be compromise. That doesn’t stop him from pushing hard to the left though because if you start in the center, compromise will be somewhere on the right.

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thedopefishlives  Oct 14, 2015 • 7:31:09am

re: #336 darthstar

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Haha, dumbass.

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Amory Blaine  Oct 14, 2015 • 7:32:08am

We put out birdseed last winter and all the weeds from the seeds we bought destroyed the lawn.

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The Vicious Babushka  Oct 14, 2015 • 7:32:11am

OMG IF PEOPLE GET ALL THIS FREE STUFF NOBODY WILL EVER WANT TO WORK & THEY’LL ALL BE ON TEH WELFARES & NOBODY WILL HAVE A JERB & THOSE OF US WHAT STILL HAS A JERB WILL HAVE TO SUPPORT ALL THESE FREELOADING MOOCHERS WELL ALL BE THERE SLAVES ZOMG ELEVENTY!!!!1!!!!!GET UR GUNS!!!!

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darthstar  Oct 14, 2015 • 7:33:21am

re: #338 Targetpractice

Another election season, another raft of candidates who haven’t the first clue how computers work.

re: #339 Timothy Watson

The Internet, how the fuck does that work.

Too bad he didn’t also riff on staying in a crappy motel in some shithole town in the middle of nowhere. Iowans apparently love having their state praised by candidates.

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Timothy Watson  Oct 14, 2015 • 7:34:31am

re: #344 The Vicious Babushka

OMG IF PEOPLE GET ALL THIS FREE STUFF NOBODY WILL EVER WANT TO WORK & THEY’LL ALL BE ON TEH WELFARES & NOBODY WILL HAVE A JERB & THOSE OF US WHAT STILL HAS A JERB WILL HAVE TO SUPPORT ALL THESE FREELOADING MOOCHERS WELL ALL BE THERE SLAVES ZOMG ELEVENTY!!!!1!!!!!GET UR GUNS!!!!

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“childhood education”? The horror! We’ve only had that for 150 years!

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HappyWarrior  Oct 14, 2015 • 7:35:32am

re: #337 Targetpractice

I’ve likened Bernie, or at least the view his fans have of him, to Ron Paul in the past. Not out of malice, because I respect him and his ideas. But out of the realization that most of his support comes from those who think ideas are all that matter, that you’re not hampered if you’ve no way of making those ideas a reality. Many of them even mirror the mindset of Paulians that being elected means his ideas are so popular that the voting public will “punish” any who vote against them.

I have to agree with that comp. ANd I would add that I used to be a lot like that- thinking issues were the only thing. I was a diehard Kucinich guy in 2003 and early 2004.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 14, 2015 • 7:36:48am

re: #341 darthstar

I think Bernie, at the end of the day, knows there has to be compromise. That doesn’t stop him from pushing hard to the left though because if you start in the center, compromise will be somewhere on the right.

I think he does too. I don’t think he’s this foolish old socialist. I just think that a lot of his supporters will end up sorely disappointed and turn on him quickly. We saw how quickly that element of the left turned on Obama.

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The Vicious Babushka  Oct 14, 2015 • 7:37:17am

re: #346 Timothy Watson

“childhood education”? The horror! We’ve only had that for 150 years!

Wingnuts want to abolish public schools. For “free market competition” and also so for-profit charter schools can get some of that sweet DOE moneys.

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lawhawk  Oct 14, 2015 • 7:38:36am

re: #336 darthstar

Beavis says what? You dumbass. Not only do you not get how the Internet or live streaming works, but you pick perhaps one of the worst places/times to consider shooting a video - at dusk with no lighting - in a frickin’ parking lot.

It’s as though no one knows how to do this. No staffers. No professionals. Just a bunch of dumbasses who have no business running for President (and they bitch and moan about Obama’s use of optics?)

Paul’s literally in the dark to go along with figuratively being in the dark on the issues.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 14, 2015 • 7:38:37am

re: #344 The Vicious Babushka

OMG IF PEOPLE GET ALL THIS FREE STUFF NOBODY WILL EVER WANT TO WORK & THEY’LL ALL BE ON TEH WELFARES & NOBODY WILL HAVE A JERB & THOSE OF US WHAT STILL HAS A JERB WILL HAVE TO SUPPORT ALL THESE FREELOADING MOOCHERS WELL ALL BE THERE SLAVES ZOMG ELEVENTY!!!!1!!!!!GET UR GUNS!!!!

I am sure “young hasn’t critically thought on a view that didn’t belong to his parents or pastor ” conservative hasn’t thought about the fact that Republicans give freebies al the time, just to hte very wealthy instead of the majority of the American people. What a pathetic tool.

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The Vicious Babushka  Oct 14, 2015 • 7:39:41am

re: #351 HappyWarrior

I am sure “young hasn’t critically thought on a view that didn’t belong to his parents or pastor ” conservative hasn’t thought about the fact that Republicans give freebies al the time, just to hte very wealthy instead of the majority of the American people. What a pathetic tool.

I think “Young Conservative” is at least 53.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 14, 2015 • 7:39:52am

My one hope I have of Bernie is he can stop making socialist a dirty word in American politics. And he doesn’t need to do win to do that.

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Targetpractice  Oct 14, 2015 • 7:40:23am

re: #349 The Vicious Babushka

Wingnuts want to abolish public schools. For “free market competition” and also so for-profit charter schools can get some of that sweet DOE moneys.

No, they want the DOE abolished, because they think that the way forward is either block grants to state/local governments or “letting them keep their money,” under the assumption that the money from either of those choices won’t simply be plowed into fixing budget holes caused by more tax cuts. Sam Brownback would love nothing more than to have the Feds ink out a check every month for millions in dollars for “education” that he could use to pay for his latest TP craziness.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 14, 2015 • 7:40:38am

re: #352 The Vicious Babushka

I think “Young Conservative” is at least 53.

Wouldn’t surprise me either but I can tell you from experience that there a lot of young people who buy the right wing bullshit hook, line, and sinker.

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Targetpractice  Oct 14, 2015 • 7:42:18am

re: #355 HappyWarrior

Wouldn’t surprise me either but I can tell you from experience that there a lot of young people who buy the right wing bullshit hook, line, and sinker.

I’ve met a lot of those “Young Republicans.” Hell, I was one for a time. And, when you get down to it, the underlying theme to their belief system is greed, either “I’ve got mine!” or “Poor people are keeping me from getting mine!”

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It's on his hat!  Oct 14, 2015 • 7:43:47am

re: #356 Targetpractice

I’ve met a lot of those “Young Republicans.” Hell, I was one for a time. And, when you get down to it, the underlying theme to their belief system is greed, either “I’ve got mine!” or “Poor people are keeping me from getting mine!”

Cosigned. I’m surrounded by relatively young people who would see everything being proposed last night by the Dem candidates as handouts or freebies — and I used to think that way, too.

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Amory Blaine  Oct 14, 2015 • 7:44:54am

Grabbing control of the language around SS is a good step to combat the constant threats against it. Solvency alarmism and privatization have dominated the talking points for too long.

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Ace-o-aces  Oct 14, 2015 • 7:47:14am

re: #344 The Vicious Babushka

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Camacho DeezNuts 2016  Oct 14, 2015 • 7:48:35am

Chuck Johnson’s Lawyer sounds like a perfect title for a twangy depressing country ballad.

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Doofus  Oct 14, 2015 • 7:52:08am

re: #285 goddamnedfrank

No it isn’t. Absolutely tons of people pay in over their entire working lives and then die before they get a chance to get anything. It wouldn’t be any less fair to raise or eliminate the maximum taxable earnings limit.

That is a pretty good argument for letting people have their own privately owned SS account so that they can hand down their SS payments to their heirs.

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thedopefishlives  Oct 14, 2015 • 7:53:06am

re: #359 Ace-o-aces

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You know, you make fun, but you’re not wrong. Republicans really do thrive on ignorance. Keeping people enslaved in fear is a lot easier when people don’t know anything, because people fear what they don’t know.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Oct 14, 2015 • 7:54:07am

re: #344 The Vicious Babushka

Does Young Conservative know that Thomas Jefferson, that bleeding heart liberal, believed a well educated population was necessary for a democracy to survive? That the Northwest Ordinance required there be land set aside for public schools in every township? Sure, it took awhile for “free” public education to be established everywhere, but it’s in keeping with the very foundation of our republic. [It’s not really free, since it’s funded with taxes, but free in the sense there are no school fees. I was really surprised that students in China have to pay to attend K-12 schools.]

Young Conservative wants to take America back to the good old days, when only the upper classes got an education and the lower classes were lucky to read and write.

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Belafon  Oct 14, 2015 • 7:54:17am

re: #361 Doofus

That is a pretty good argument for letting people have their own privately owned SS account so that they can hand down their SS payments to their heirs.

Only if you assume that you’re only in this to take care of you and yours. What about those who get injured early, or those that are too disabled to ever work?

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HappyWarrior  Oct 14, 2015 • 7:54:29am

re: #356 Targetpractice

I’ve met a lot of those “Young Republicans.” Hell, I was one for a time. And, when you get down to it, the underlying theme to their belief system is greed, either “I’ve got mine!” or “Poor people are keeping me from getting mine!”

Most of the cons I know around my age aren’t so cons but there are a lot of economic cons who have that kind of attitude. I think a lot of it comes from not understanding or appreciating history. I can’t tell you how many times I hear “Unions had a place but they don’t anymore.” In an age where the wage gap between employer and employee is higher than ever, I say absolutely we need unions.

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No Depression  Oct 14, 2015 • 7:54:45am

re: #356 Targetpractice

I’ve met a lot of those “Young Republicans.” Hell, I was one for a time. And, when you get down to it, the underlying theme to their belief system is greed, either “I’ve got mine!” or “Poor people are keeping me from getting mine!”

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The Vicious Babushka  Oct 14, 2015 • 7:55:36am

re: #363 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

Does Young Conservative know that Thomas Jefferson, that bleeding heart liberal, believed a well educated population was necessary for a democracy to survive? That the Northwest Ordinance required there be land set aside for public schools in every township? Sure, it took awhile for “free” public education to be established everywhere, but it’s in keeping with the very foundation of our republic. [It’s not really free, since it’s funded with taxes, but free in the sense there are no school fees. I was really surprised that students in China have to pay to attend K-12 schools.]

Young Conservative wants to take America back to the good old days, when only the upper classes got an education and the lower classes were lucky to read and write.

“Young Conservative” doesn’t think, it just Tweets lame memes.

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lawhawk  Oct 14, 2015 • 7:56:04am

Heh.

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thedopefishlives  Oct 14, 2015 • 7:57:42am

re: #368 lawhawk

From Gov. Huckabee:

ALL lives matter. It’s time we stop burning cars, shooting cops, & recognize that life is a gift from God.

Governor Huckabee: ALL lives matter. It’s time we stop beating community activists, shooting teenagers, & recognize that life is a gift from God.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Oct 14, 2015 • 7:57:43am

re: #366 No Depression

I love how cons repeat the myths that liberals are cowards, afraid of guns, whiners, sexual deviants, atheists, weaklings and baby-killers. Clearly, they don’t know too many liberals in real life.

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Targetpractice  Oct 14, 2015 • 7:57:56am

re: #366 No Depression

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It's on his hat!  Oct 14, 2015 • 7:58:39am

re: #370 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

I love how cons repeat the myths that liberals are cowards, afraid of guns, whiners, sexual deviants, atheists, weaklings and baby-killers. Clearly, they don’t know too many liberals in real life.

Yeah! Only two of those descriptors apply to me. //

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thedopefishlives  Oct 14, 2015 • 7:58:56am

re: #366 No Depression

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HappyWarrior  Oct 14, 2015 • 7:59:11am

I do think a lot of these views though come from only being exposed to views that reenforce your biases. I have to say, I do come from a liberal family and no doubt that has influenced my political views and biases but I always did try to keep intellectually honest and my Dad even though he’s a huge liberal loved to play devil’s advocate as did his Dad when my Dad was my age. I had an untold amount of liberal professors who while they personally held views close to my own did try to keep me intellectually honest. Thus, my quite liberal American history professor was fine with papers I wrote that offered some praise for Andrew Jackson, Alexander Hamilton, and Andrew Carnegie. I could never get away with that if I wrote that for a more conservative professor involving poeple like say FDR or Eugene V. Debs.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 14, 2015 • 8:00:10am
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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Oct 14, 2015 • 8:01:02am

re: #374 HappyWarrior

I came to this site in 2007, when it was a lot more conservative. And mostly because I found that the people here were sound in their arguments and did not get too personal with those who disagreed with them.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 14, 2015 • 8:01:02am

re: #368 lawhawk

Heh.

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Fucker.

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The Vicious Babushka  Oct 14, 2015 • 8:01:06am

LOL what “minority” does Trump represent? Asshole-Americans?

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Bird in the Paw  Oct 14, 2015 • 8:01:46am

re: #372 It’s on his hat!

Yeah! Only two of those descriptors apply to me. //

And we get to guess which two, too.

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Oct 14, 2015 • 8:01:55am

re: #375 Backwoods_Sleuth

‘dumbass’ is now trending in DC

And, thanks to the wonders of the Internet, it is going to become inseparably associated with Dr, Rand Paul…

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HappyWarrior  Oct 14, 2015 • 8:02:42am

re: #378 The Vicious Babushka

LOL what “minority” does Trump represent? Asshole-Americans?

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A woman, Catholic, and Jew walk into a bar. Really the part that venerates Ronnie fucking Reagan has no room to lecture about age and also the one that just nominated olld man McCain eight years ago.

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Amory Blaine  Oct 14, 2015 • 8:04:04am

re: #378 The Vicious Babushka

Biden wasn’t even there.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 14, 2015 • 8:04:51am

Really they can use the candidates all they want but only one party actually is more representative of America as a whole and it sure ain’t the GOP that patted itself on the back for electing its first black woman to Congress last year and despite their claims that they’re the Jewish friendly party has one count it one Jewish member of Congress.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 14, 2015 • 8:06:33am

re: #382 Amory Blaine

Biden wasn’t even there.

O’Malley was however and he’s younger than all of those four except Rubio. Chafee too actually. Really it’s hilarious to see conservatives who claim that white liberals only supported Obama because of guilt and who repeatedly mock diversity now pat themselves on the backs. What about ideological diversity? The only diversity there is in the GOP clown car is what kind of asshole these guys are. Trump is the greedy asshole while Carson is the religious zealot asshole.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Oct 14, 2015 • 8:08:01am

re: #374 HappyWarrior

I do think a lot of these views though come from only being exposed to views that reenforce your biases. I have to say, I do come from a liberal family and no doubt that has influenced my political views and biases but I always did try to keep intellectually honest and my Dad even though he’s a huge liberal loved to play devil’s advocate as did his Dad when my Dad was my age. I had an untold amount of liberal professors who while they personally held views close to my own did try to keep me intellectually honest. Thus, my quite liberal American history professor was fine with papers I wrote that offered some praise for Andrew Jackson, Alexander Hamilton, and Andrew Carnegie. I could never get away with that if I wrote that for a more conservative professor involving poeple like say FDR or Eugene V. Debs.

My father was a Republican of the Eisenhower stripe, though I am pretty sure he voted for Goldwater and I know he voted for Nixon. Tricky Dick killed his enthusiasm for the GOP, but he was like Dark_Falcon and voted for ‘em anyway. Mom, though, was a Democrat, and even though she said she voted Republican to keep my Dad from complaining, I’m pretty sure she voted her conscience. She loved Bill Clinton, even with all that Monica Lewinsky stuff, and I’m sure if she were still alive, she’d love Obama and Hillary, too.

My dad was conservative, Mom was a liberal (although she was not happy about David Frost and Diahann Carroll being an item in the ’70s). So, I got a balanced view of the world, I guess.

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ObserverArt  Oct 14, 2015 • 8:08:44am

re: #337 Targetpractice

I’ve likened Bernie, or at least the view his fans have of him, to Ron Paul in the past. Not out of malice, because I respect him and his ideas. But out of the realization that most of his support comes from those who think ideas are all that matter, that you’re not hampered if you’ve no way of making those ideas a reality. Many of them even mirror the mindset of Paulians that being elected means his ideas are so popular that the voting public will “punish” any who vote against them.

I happened to catch Bernie talking about how he could possibly get a dug-in Republican do-nothing congress to go with any of his legislative ideas. His answer was that if they bulk he will unleash all of those gazillions of his supporters to go to Washington and elsewhere throughout the country and hold huge protests to send the message they are going to force the passage or throw the bums out.

I don’t see that working. At all. Anyone see any traction in that?

Oh yeah…good late morning!

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HappyWarrior  Oct 14, 2015 • 8:11:17am

re: #385 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

My father was a Republican of the Eisenhower stripe, though I am pretty sure he voted for Goldwater and I know he voted for Nixon. Tricky Dick killed his enthusiasm for the GOP, but he was like Dark_Falcon and voted for ‘em anyway. Mom, though, was a Democrat, and even though she said she voted Republican to keep my Dad from complaining, I’m pretty sure she voted her conscience. She loved Bill Clinton, even with all that Monica Lewinsky stuff, and I’m sure if she were still alive, she’d love Obama and Hillary, too.

My dad was conservative, Mom was a liberal (although she not happy about David Frost and Diahann Carroll being an item in the ’70s). So, I got a balanced view of the world, I guess.

I actually found out recently that my dad’s grandfather was a Republican. It really shocked me since my dad’s own dad was a huge liberal Democrat and even got into dinner table arguments with my aunt’s first husband who was and still is quite right wing. I think I was lucky in the sense although both of my parents did come from liberal families, my Dad especially wanted to keep me honest. I think he wanted to make sure we became liberals not by birth but by conviction like his own Dad did. His own Dad came from a fairly well to do family and I think had a real empathy for the little guy.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 14, 2015 • 8:11:49am
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HappyWarrior  Oct 14, 2015 • 8:12:02am

re: #386 ObserverArt

I happened to catch Bernie talking about how he could possibly get a dug-in Republican do-nothing congress to go with any of his legislative ideas. His answer was that if they bulk he will unleash all of those gazillions of his supporters to go to Washington and elsewhere throughout the country and hold huge protests to send the message they are going to force the passage or throw the bums out.

I don’t see that working. At all. Anyone see any traction in that?

Oh yeah…good late morning!

I don’t either.

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Targetpractice  Oct 14, 2015 • 8:12:20am

re: #378 The Vicious Babushka

LOL what “minority” does Trump represent? Asshole-Americans?

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GOP Diversity: Mile wide and an inch deep. But it’s hilarious that they’re touting Fiorina as “diversity” when they constantly sneer that Hillary’s campaign is about running to be the first woman president. And Carson and Rubio’s “diversity” is skin deep, as below that they’re every bit as greedy and bigoted as their white counterparts.

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Oct 14, 2015 • 8:12:43am

re: #378 The Vicious Babushka

LOL what “minority” does Trump represent? Asshole-Americans?

Let them see themselves as the party of diversity. Then look closely at how diverse their base supporters truly are…

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HappyWarrior  Oct 14, 2015 • 8:13:34am

re: #390 Targetpractice

GOP Diversity: Mile wide and an inch deep. But it’s hilarious that they’re touting Fiorina as “diversity” when they constantly sneer that Hillary’s campaign is about running to be the first woman president. And Carson and Rubio’s “diversity” is skin deep, as below that they’re every bit as greedy and bigoted as their white counterparts.

They may be a diverse bunch but they all are bigoted towards gays and Muslims especially.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 14, 2015 • 8:14:36am

re: #391 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

Let them see themselves as the party of diversity. Then look closely at how diverse their base supporters truly are…

SEriously look at the average DNC delegate versus the average RNC delegate. One is pretty representative of our country as a whole. The other would be more reprsentative of our country circa 1950 but that’s a feature not a bug.

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Targetpractice  Oct 14, 2015 • 8:16:22am

Also, there’s the hilarity of trying to sell Trump as “young” when he’s two years old than Clinton is. Fiorina and Carson aren’t exactly spring chickens themselves. Rubio’s the youngest of those on that tweet and it shows because he’s got all the depth of a parking lot puddle.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 14, 2015 • 8:19:16am

re: #394 Targetpractice

Also, there’s the hilarity of trying to sell Trump as “young” when he’s two years old than Clinton is. Fiorina and Carson aren’t exactly spring chickens themselves. Rubio’s the youngest of those on that tweet and it shows because he’s got all the depth of a parking lot puddle.

Right. And besides Rubio may be young but ideologically wise, he’s an old man. Hell on choice, he’s to George W Bush’s right and on most issues. The GOP and Rubio campaign really think they can just present him as a young Latino and think voters will ignore that he’s a reactionary shithead. And sadly some might but not enough will.

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Amory Blaine  Oct 14, 2015 • 8:20:11am

If Congress digs in it will be hard to get things done no doubt. As we well know.

Here’s a pic from today’s Milwaukee Journal-Sentinel

When worlds collide — Sinatra fans, Clash fans share the street in 1984

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ObserverArt  Oct 14, 2015 • 8:22:09am

re: #394 Targetpractice

Also, there’s the hilarity of trying to sell Trump as “young” when he’s two years old than Clinton is. Fiorina and Carson aren’t exactly spring chickens themselves. Rubio’s the youngest of those on that tweet and it shows because he’s got all the depth of a parking lot puddle.

I made a crack yesterday in a VB post that had Dana MahGuns bitching about Dem candidates ages.

I said she was probably all hotted up by Cruz and Rubio since they both 44…and that is probably her favorite caliber of gun.

Heh.

Like you are all saying. Take a Republican’s age and add at least 30 to 40 years, or put them in a transport time machine and send them back to 1948 when all was right in the world.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 14, 2015 • 8:23:10am

The right thinks re: #397 ObserverArt

I made a crack yesterday in a VB post that had Dana MahGuns bitching about Dem candidates ages.

I said she was probably all hotted up by Cruz and Rubio since they both 44…and that is probably her favorite caliber of gun.

Heh.

Like you are all saying. Take a Republican’s age and add at least 30 to 40 years, or put them in a transport time machine and send them back to 1948 when all was right in the world.

1948 BC I hope you mean because Thomas Dewey would be far too liberal for these guys.

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Aunty Entity Dragon  Oct 14, 2015 • 8:23:38am

For all you sci fi fans out there…my contribution last night at Balloon Juice:

“I will not fear Trump.
Trump is the mind-killer.
Trump is the little-death that brings “yooooge” obliteration.
I will face Trump.
I will permit Trump to pass over me and hopefully away from me.
And when Trumo has gone past I will turn on MSNBC to see his path.
Where the Trump has gone there will be nothing. Only I will remain.”

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HappyWarrior  Oct 14, 2015 • 8:25:41am

Really though the Democratic party if it nominates Clinton or Sanders will have nominated a Catholic (whose paternal grandparents were Jewish), an African American, and a woman or Jew for its last three presidential nominees. The GOP meanwhile hasn’t even nominated a Catholic ever for the top spot and only once the number two (Goldwater’s running mate was Catholic). Ryan too. Sorry forgot he is Catholic even though he’s an Ayn Rand fanboy.

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Oct 14, 2015 • 8:25:44am

re: #399 Aunty Entity Dragon

For all you sci fi fans out there…my contribution last night at Balloon Juice:

“I will not fear Trump.
Trump is the mind-killer.
Trump is the little-death that brings “yooooge” obliteration.
I will face Trump.
I will permit Trump to pass over me and hopefully away from me.
And when Trumo has gone past I will turn on MSNBC to see his path.
Where the Trump has gone there will be nothing. Only I will remain.”

He will not even gain a majority in his own party. But until he is bumped out by another front-runner, he will bask in free publicity and adoration.

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ObserverArt  Oct 14, 2015 • 8:26:25am

re: #398 HappyWarrior

The right thinks

1948 BC I hope you mean because Thomas Dewey would be far too liberal for these guys.

Facts do not apply in Republican world these days. /

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HappyWarrior  Oct 14, 2015 • 8:26:27am

So yeah I don’t want to hear that the Dems “talk” about diversity and the GOP actually practices it. Not to mention the fact that the Democratic Party voter base is ar more diverse even on bad day than the GOP’s ever was.

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No Depression  Oct 14, 2015 • 8:27:24am
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HappyWarrior  Oct 14, 2015 • 8:28:28am

re: #402 ObserverArt

Facts do not apply in Republican world these days. /

I know, I was just saying that 1948 may be a little too proressive for them lol but you’re right even the young Republicans act old. Rubio and Cruz while both young are for example far more anti-choice and anti-gay than Ford, Reagan, the first Bush, and Dole were. I don’t care that Marco Rubio is a young son of Latino immigrants that may not be a total square in his music tastes, I care that he has views that are frnge.

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Big Beautiful Door  Oct 14, 2015 • 8:28:39am

re: #400 HappyWarrior

Really though the Democratic party if it nominates Clinton or Sanders will have nominated a Catholic (whose paternal grandparents were Jewish), an African American, and a woman or Jew for its last three presidential nominees. The GOP meanwhile hasn’t even nominated a Catholic ever for the top spot and only once the number two (Goldwater’s running mate was Catholic).

They did, however, nominate a Mormon.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 14, 2015 • 8:28:46am

re: #404 No Depression

Heh:

An Alabama Walmart Unknowingly Stocked Lube For Gays Next to Their Guns

I saw that on Facebook. I nearly died of laughter.

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gwangung  Oct 14, 2015 • 8:29:08am

re: #378 The Vicious Babushka

LOL what “minority” does Trump represent? Asshole-Americans?

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Small sample size idiocy.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 14, 2015 • 8:29:15am

re: #406 Big Beautiful Door

They did, however, nominate a Mormon.

Right they did. Oh and I forgot that Ryan is Catholic too. D’oh.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 14, 2015 • 8:32:16am

I do see that the many Bernie fans I know on FB are using the internet polls that say he “won” as proof that any talk of Clinton winning the debate are a lie. Sigh guys. Internet ppolls are so unreliable. I am going to catch the debate in its entireity and try to come up with an objective result as possible. I did not watch last night since by the time it started, I was doing something else.

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Big Beautiful Door  Oct 14, 2015 • 8:35:02am

re: #410 HappyWarrior

I do see that the many Bernie fans I know on FB are using the internet polls that say he “won” as proof that any talk of Clinton winning the debate are a lie. Sigh guys. Internet ppolls are so unreliable. I am going to catch the debate in its entireity and try to come up with an objective result as possible. I did not watch last night since by the time it started, I was doing something else.

The only reason luap nor didn’t “win” the debate on internet polls is because luap nor didn’t participate.

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Oct 14, 2015 • 8:35:03am

re: #406 Big Beautiful Door

They did, however, nominate a Mormon.

A religion known for its diversity…

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Big Beautiful Door  Oct 14, 2015 • 8:35:48am

re: #412 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

A religion known for its diversity…

Hey, they decided black people weren’t cursed decades ago!

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Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Oct 14, 2015 • 8:35:57am

re: #378 The Vicious Babushka

The Republicans define diversity

The Kool-Aid is a unique kind of spiked this morning.

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The Vicious Babushka  Oct 14, 2015 • 8:36:51am

re: #414 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse

The Kool-Aid is a unique kind of spiked this morning.

Oh wait I saw Steve Crowder’s logo on that meme. He is a very special kind of Stupid.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 14, 2015 • 8:37:16am

re: #411 Big Beautiful Door

The only reason luap nor didn’t “win” the debate on internet polls is because luap nor didn’t participate.

Luap Nor is however a favorite to win the Kentucky Derby and American Idol.

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Big Beautiful Door  Oct 14, 2015 • 8:38:22am

re: #416 HappyWarrior

Luap Nor is however a favorite to win the Kentucky Derby and American Idol.

That would make a great name for a horse.

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Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Oct 14, 2015 • 8:38:35am

re: #368 lawhawk

ALL lives matter. It’s time we stop burning cars…
— Gov. Mike Huckabee

All Car Lives Matter

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thedopefishlives  Oct 14, 2015 • 8:39:18am

re: #418 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse

All Car Lives Matter

CARS ARE PEOPLE TOO

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Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Oct 14, 2015 • 8:39:56am

re: #368 lawhawk

Racism exists because we have a sin problem in America, not a skin problem. #DemDebate
— Gov. Mike Huckabee

LOLwhut? Was someone in the debate saying we had a skin problem?

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piratedan  Oct 14, 2015 • 8:40:24am

re: #419 thedopefishlives

well, at least the Corporate cars are…. and once Google has given them sentience…

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Oct 14, 2015 • 8:40:41am

re: #420 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse

LOLwhut? Was someone in the debate saying we had a skin problem?

Yes, for some it is generally too dark…

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makeitstop  Oct 14, 2015 • 8:40:42am

All debate talk side - I’ve been waiting since yesterday afternoon for the hammer to fall on CCJ and his idiot lawyer.

Come on, judicial system! Finish him!!

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thedopefishlives  Oct 14, 2015 • 8:41:13am

re: #421 piratedan

well, at least the Corporate cars are…. and once Google has given them sentience…

I, for one, welcome our new robot driver overlords.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 14, 2015 • 8:42:35am

I have to confess even though I am not a huge Clinton fan, I do get tired of the progressives I know constantly bitching. Okay guys so yes I know we didn’t get all we wanted with Obama. But the fact is more people are insured now than were before he became president, gay marriage is legal everywhere, and we have seen pot become legal in two states and the District I think this is why ultimately I’m best described as a pragmatic idealist, I have high ideals but I know they won’t happen without effort and patience.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 14, 2015 • 8:43:13am

re: #417 Big Beautiful Door

That would make a great name for a horse.

YEs it would.

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Targetpractice  Oct 14, 2015 • 8:43:15am

re: #423 makeitstop

All debate talk side - I’ve been waiting since yesterday afternoon for the hammer to fall on CCJ and his idiot lawyer.

Come on, judicial system! Finish him!!

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Big Beautiful Door  Oct 14, 2015 • 8:45:09am

re: #424 thedopefishlives

I, for one, welcome our new robot driver overlords.

Here is an interesting question for people to answer. if giving up driving ourselves and letting the cars drive themselves reduced the highway fatality rate to almost zero, saving 30k lives annually, would you be willing to give up driving?

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thedopefishlives  Oct 14, 2015 • 8:45:10am

re: #423 makeitstop

All debate talk side - I’ve been waiting since yesterday afternoon for the hammer to fall on CCJ and his idiot lawyer.

Come on, judicial system! Finish him!!

The system is intentionally configured to make it as difficult as possible for this to happen, because if a case has any merit whatsoever, it should be heard. So it may be a while before the wheels of justice finally get around to grinding this idjit and his clueless lawyer into fine paste.

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Targetpractice  Oct 14, 2015 • 8:46:29am

re: #414 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse

The Kool-Aid is a unique kind of spiked this morning.

The wingnuts who bitched all through ‘08 and ‘12 that the President only got elected/reelected because he’s black and white people voted for him out of “white guilt,” and who sneer at the word “diversity” on any other day, are today trying to convince us that they’re all for minority candidates and diversity as exemplified by a panel of Republican candidates who are trying to sell us different flavors of the same shit sandwich.

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It's on his hat!  Oct 14, 2015 • 8:46:31am

My brother just coined a great term for wild-eyed Sanders supporters:

Bern patients

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Oct 14, 2015 • 8:46:34am

re: #428 Big Beautiful Door

Here is an interesting question for people to answer. if giving up driving ourselves and letting the cars drive themselves reduced the highway fatality rate to almost zero, saving 30k lives annually, would you be willing to give up driving?

I believe that at least initially, drivers will still be ultimately responsible for their automatic vehicle and how it reacts, especially in emergency situations.

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ObserverArt  Oct 14, 2015 • 8:47:15am

re: #410 HappyWarrior

I do see that the many Bernie fans I know on FB are using the internet polls that say he “won” as proof that any talk of Clinton winning the debate are a lie. Sigh guys. Internet ppolls are so unreliable. I am going to catch the debate in its entireity and try to come up with an objective result as possible. I did not watch last night since by the time it started, I was doing something else.

Heh. Your comment reminds me of something else I heard the other day…but like a lot of the crap I hear, read, etc. it all gets jumbled. Anyway a pollster was basically saying the polls they take today are really tricky because they really have no idea who they are talking to and where they are due to the cell phone/smart phone. There are so many young people not of voting age who can answer a poll and there is no way knowing of age and other key demographics. He was hinting that polls can be more untrustworthy than ever before.

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Bubblehead II  Oct 14, 2015 • 8:47:18am

re: #428 Big Beautiful Door

Here is an interesting question for people to answer. if giving up driving ourselves and letting the cars drive themselves reduced the highway fatality rate to almost zero, saving 30k lives annually, would you be willing to give up driving?

I gave up driving years ago.

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thedopefishlives  Oct 14, 2015 • 8:48:05am

re: #428 Big Beautiful Door

Here is an interesting question for people to answer. if giving up driving ourselves and letting the cars drive themselves reduced the highway fatality rate to almost zero, saving 30k lives annually, would you be willing to give up driving?

For commuting or other ordinary business, sure. I would want to be able to drive somewhere, in my own (non-robotically-controlled) car, just for the hell of it, though. Cruising is something that relaxes me.

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piratedan  Oct 14, 2015 • 8:48:28am

re: #428 Big Beautiful Door

well it would certainly allow me to enjoy the scenery more, plus less stress taking the time to find the right baseball feed on XM…..

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HappyWarrior  Oct 14, 2015 • 8:49:17am

re: #433 ObserverArt

Heh. Your comment reminds me of something else I heard the other day…but like a lot of the crap I hear, read, etc. it all gets jumbled. Anyway a pollster was basically saying the polls they take today are really tricky because they really have no idea who they are talking to and where they are due to the cell phone/smart phone. There are so many young people not of voting age who can answer a poll and there is no way knowing of age and other key demographics. He was hinting that polls can be more untrustworthy than ever before.

I’ve been polled a few times. They can only tell that I am a male. They have no idea of my racial background or age especially (since I can and have passed for my Dad on the phone before). You’re right. And honestly with a lot of polls, you’re giving quick answers because you just want to get on with your day.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 14, 2015 • 8:50:14am

I mean polls about who you’ll vote for a little more easier I guess but polls that require critical thinking like “who won this debate” or “What should be done on this and that issue” are things that require a little more time.

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Higgs Boson's Mate  Oct 14, 2015 • 8:50:44am

re: #428 Big Beautiful Door

Here is an interesting question for people to answer. if giving up driving ourselves and letting the cars drive themselves reduced the highway fatality rate to almost zero, saving 30k lives annually, would you be willing to give up driving?

Give up driving? I’d give up owning a car. At that point it stops being much more than a module and one module is as good as another.

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Eventual Carrion  Oct 14, 2015 • 8:51:22am

re: #245 lawhawk

[snip]

That said, if there’s a security situation that warrants assigning a detail, the USSS would do so.

First off, Trump should shut the fuck up about pissing off a Mexican drug kingpin that eats weaselly little shits like him for lunch. When he pulled that shit it told me this asshole Trump doesn’t understand El Chapo has dumbasses like him whacked with the wave of his hand. He wants protection from his stupidity, he can fucking pay for it himself.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 14, 2015 • 8:52:04am

I don’t drive but that’s not out of choice necessarily. I have terrible motor skills and my peripheral vision is no good. Though despite what people say about my squinting, I see just fine normally.

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Oct 14, 2015 • 8:52:17am

re: #438 HappyWarrior

I mean polls about who you’ll vote for a little more easier I guess but polls that require critical thinking like “who won this debate” or “What should be done on this and that issue” are things that require a little more time.

We seem to want miracle diets, overnight get-rich-quick schemes, instant sexual gratification and we want our election results thirteen months in advance.

Anybody see a problem with that?

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It's on his hat!  Oct 14, 2015 • 8:52:37am

re: #428 Big Beautiful Door

Here is an interesting question for people to answer. if giving up driving ourselves and letting the cars drive themselves reduced the highway fatality rate to almost zero, saving 30k lives annually, would you be willing to give up driving?

Only if I could get absolutely everywhere I would want to go, in any kind of weather. I don’t see driverless cars covering 100% of roads anytime soon, though, and I am very concerned that they will not be able to cope with snow and ice well enough to work for a very long time.

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The Vicious Babushka  Oct 14, 2015 • 8:53:13am

STUPIDEST MEME OF THE DAY==>
Did it ever occur to wingnuts that nobody is forcing any of these universities to invite Hillary as a speaker? They could invite George W. Bush or Ted Cruz. Oops they also charge 100’s of K for a speech.

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Targetpractice  Oct 14, 2015 • 8:53:15am

re: #428 Big Beautiful Door

Here is an interesting question for people to answer. if giving up driving ourselves and letting the cars drive themselves reduced the highway fatality rate to almost zero, saving 30k lives annually, would you be willing to give up driving?

If I may quote James May:

“Cars that drive themselves have been invented years ago - they’re called taxis.”

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HappyWarrior  Oct 14, 2015 • 8:53:47am

re: #442 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

We seem to want miracle diets, overnight get-rich-quick schemes, instant sexual gratification and we want our election results thirteen months in advance.

Anybody see a problem with that?

That’s another animal honestly from what I am talking about but that does work too. All an internet poll’s result tells me is whose supporters found out about it first and started voting a ton in the poll.

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ObserverArt  Oct 14, 2015 • 8:54:05am

re: #428 Big Beautiful Door

Here is an interesting question for people to answer. if giving up driving ourselves and letting the cars drive themselves reduced the highway fatality rate to almost zero, saving 30k lives annually, would you be willing to give up driving?

Short answer. No. I like cars too much and I love to drive.

I know it is ridiculous to think there could be roads for people to drive on and roads for the driverless cars.

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Big Beautiful Door  Oct 14, 2015 • 8:54:16am

re: #432 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

I believe that at least initially, drivers will still be ultimately responsible for their vehicle and how it reacts, especially in emergency situations.

That is true, but ultimately, we could give complete control to the cars. Would you be willing to do that to save lives? I suspect a lot of people wouldn’t be comfortable not being in control, even if it was safer.

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Targetpractice  Oct 14, 2015 • 8:54:36am

re: #444 The Vicious Babushka

STUPIDEST MEME OF THE DAY==>
Did it ever occur to wingnuts that nobody is forcing any of these universities to invite Hillary as a speaker? They could invite George W. Bush or Ted Cruz. Oops they also charge 100’s of K for a speech.

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The Clintons also waive their fees when talking to veterans, they don’t cut them a “deal” by charging less if a private jet is included.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 14, 2015 • 8:54:57am

re: #444 The Vicious Babushka

STUPIDEST MEME OF THE DAY==>
Did it ever occur to wingnuts that nobody is forcing any of these universities to invite Hillary as a speaker? They could invite George W. Bush or Ted Cruz. Oops they also charge 100’s of K for a speech.

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Right, they choose to bring her in. There’s a lot of real hypocrisy out there but this ain’t it especially given that Clinton as a former presidential spouse has to have a Secret Service detail.

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Big Beautiful Door  Oct 14, 2015 • 8:55:55am

re: #439 Higgs Boson’s Mate

Give up driving? I’d give up owning a car. At that point it stops being much more than a module and one module is as good as another.

That could certainly be the future, especially in urban areas.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 14, 2015 • 8:56:32am

You want hypocrisy? How about the conservatives who complain about people on welfare but yet not only oppose a minimum wage increase but oppose the minimum wage’s very existence.

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Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Oct 14, 2015 • 8:56:39am

re: #444 The Vicious Babushka

STUPIDEST MEME OF THE DAY==>
Did it ever occur to wingnuts that nobody is forcing any of these universities to invite Hillary as a speaker? They could invite George W. Bush or Ted Cruz. Oops they also charge 100’s of K for a speech.

So they’re openly acknowledging that they’re just spitting out #conservative memes?

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HappyWarrior  Oct 14, 2015 • 8:57:15am

re: #451 Big Beautiful Door

That could certainly be the future, especially in urban areas.

Fewer and fewer urbanites seem to drive. I don’t see cars going the way of the hose and bungee any time soon but I do expect car use to decrease especially in ubran areas.s

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thedopefishlives  Oct 14, 2015 • 8:58:19am

re: #452 HappyWarrior

You want hypocrisy? How about the conservatives who complain about people on welfare but yet not only oppose a minimum wage increase but oppose the minimum wage’s very existence.

Well, if the damn moochers would just pull themselves up by their own bootstraps and get a real job instead of welfare or minimum-wage job, then they wouldn’t have a problem, now, would they?

The thought that maybe, just maybe, there aren’t enough top-level jobs - or that those jobs require college education, which many people can’t afford - seems to be incomprehensible to them.

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Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Oct 14, 2015 • 8:58:48am

re: #444 The Vicious Babushka

that’s the stupidest…so far. Give it time. there’s a lot of day left to burn.

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The Vicious Babushka  Oct 14, 2015 • 8:59:54am

re: #456 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance

that’s the stupidest…so far. Give it time. there’s a lot of day left to burn.

There are sure to be MOAR STUPIDS.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 14, 2015 • 9:00:46am

re: #455 thedopefishlives

Well, if the damn moochers would just pull themselves up by their own bootstraps and get a real job instead of welfare or minimum-wage job, then they wouldn’t have a problem, now, would they?

The thought that maybe, just maybe, there aren’t enough top-level jobs - or that those jobs require college education, which many people can’t afford - seems to be incomprehensible to them.

Right and here’s another thing that I’ve gotten at. So many businesses, non-profits, and unfortunately government agencies only want to pay very little if any for internships. Conservatives love to shit on your and my generation for living at home still but they don’t have a word for those employers who could be giving their interns a real wage(I think interns should be paid like regular employees full disclosure). It really is as VB said that companies like Wal-Mart especially are the bigest “welfare queens” out there.

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lawhawk  Oct 14, 2015 • 9:00:50am

re: #423 makeitstop

All debate talk side - I’ve been waiting since yesterday afternoon for the hammer to fall on CCJ and his idiot lawyer.

Come on, judicial system! Finish him!!

Mortal Kombat awaits:

Mortal Kombat’s Finish Him sound byte

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Eventual Carrion  Oct 14, 2015 • 9:01:14am

re: #420 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse

LOLwhut? Was someone in the debate saying we had a skin problem?

That’s just Mike’s herpes flaring up.

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No Depression  Oct 14, 2015 • 9:03:10am

re: #444 The Vicious Babushka

STUPIDEST MEME OF THE DAY==>
Did it ever occur to wingnuts that nobody is forcing any of these universities to invite Hillary as a speaker? They could invite George W. Bush or Ted Cruz. Oops they also charge 100’s of K for a speech.

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Photoshopping her face to emphasize her lines and wrinkles. Classy.

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lawhawk  Oct 14, 2015 • 9:03:17am

Idiot who can’t argue against what I said, now claims I’m unemployed or a Soros paid troll. Woo!

Why not both?

Oh and the idiot blocked me. Awwwww. Hurt its poor feelings that I’m exposing Trump’s idiocy (and that of his followers).

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HappyWarrior  Oct 14, 2015 • 9:03:52am

Conservatism at its very core is about maintaining the status quo and if that means no social mobility and the rich stay rich, well tough shit moocher. What makes liberalism ultimately a superior ideology is liberalism is about giving people the tools to overcome adversity. Conservatives think here’s some bootstraps and good luck to ya,

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The Vicious Babushka  Oct 14, 2015 • 9:06:10am

re: #461 No Depression

Photoshopping her face to emphasize her lines and wrinkles. Classy.

LIKE ON FACEBOOK/STOP HILLARY memes are a shitpile of juvenile derp.

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Oct 14, 2015 • 9:07:35am

re: #463 HappyWarrior

Conservatism at its very core is about maintaining the status quo and if that means no social mobility and the rich stay rich, well tough shit moocher. What makes liberalism ultimately a superior ideology is liberalism is about giving people the tools to overcome adversity. Conservatives think here’s some bootstraps and good luck to ya,

I fully embrace a lot of conservative principles like self-reliance and individual initiative.

But I do not believe that individuals and families with limited resources can negotiate fairly for terms of employment, insurance or financial services with multi-billion-dollar international corporations.

That is where I start to part ways with conservative thinking.

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The Vicious Babushka  Oct 14, 2015 • 9:07:46am

DIM JIM FAILS AGAIN

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HappyWarrior  Oct 14, 2015 • 9:07:50am

I know VB has posted this meme before but there’s a really stupid one where it’s like 1912: no income tax and people still went to college. Ignores in those days that college was for the very few. None of my great grandparents graduated college and hell only one of my grandparents did. The country that invests in her people is a country that succeeds. Yes, ultimately some things ought to be private and should remain that way but healthy government intervention is essential to the difference between a successful nation state than an oligarchy full of very rich and very poor.

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The Vicious Babushka  Oct 14, 2015 • 9:08:26am

Since when are the number of Twitter followers a metric of anything significant?

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HappyWarrior  Oct 14, 2015 • 9:08:37am

re: #465 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

I fully embrace a lot of conservative principles like self-reliance and individual initiative.

But I do not believe that individuals and families with limited resources can negotiate fairly for terms of employment, insurance or financial services with multi-billion-dollar international corporations.

That is where I start to part ways with conservative thinking.

I think a lot of us have conservative principles like that. Hell I have those two you mention myself but like yourself, I part ways on that too.

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b_sharp  Oct 14, 2015 • 9:08:51am

re: #462 lawhawk

Idiot who can’t argue against what I said, now claims I’m unemployed or a Soros paid troll. Woo!

Why not both?

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Oh and the idiot blocked me. Awwwww. Hurt its poor feelings that I’m exposing Trump’s idiocy (and that of his followers).

Don’t you know all liberals on Twitter are able to be there because they’re unemployed?

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HappyWarrior  Oct 14, 2015 • 9:09:16am

re: #466 The Vicious Babushka

DIM JIM FAILS AGAIN

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What a maroon.

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The Vicious Babushka  Oct 14, 2015 • 9:09:40am

re: #467 HappyWarrior

I know VB has posted this meme before but there’s a really stupid one where it’s like 1912: no income tax and people still went to college. Ignores in those days that college was for the very few. None of my great grandparents graduated college and hell only one of my grandparents did. The country that invests in her people is a country that succeeds. Yes, ultimately some things ought to be private and should remain that way but healthy government intervention is essential to the difference between a successful nation state than an oligarchy full of very rich and very poor.

That is the FairTax meme—>
LOL all the “wars” they “won” were the horses & bayonets state of the art

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lawhawk  Oct 14, 2015 • 9:10:12am

re: #468 The Vicious Babushka

Since when are the number of Twitter followers a metric of anything significant?

It’s like rubbernecking at a train wreck. You want to see what’s happening and slow down to watch. It’s one of the reasons people follow Trump, just as many follow SMOTI. They want to see the train wreck that they truly are.

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Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Oct 14, 2015 • 9:11:12am

re: #472 The Vicious Babushka

That is the FairTax meme—>
LOL all the “wars” they “won” were the horses & bayonets state of the art

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Derp. We had virtually no military. Hardly anyone went to college, other than the children of the elite.

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sagehen  Oct 14, 2015 • 9:11:54am

re: #361 Doofus

That is a pretty good argument for letting people have their own privately owned SS account so that they can hand down their SS payments to their heirs.

Social Security isn’t an “investment”. It’s anti-poverty insurance. It fulfills its purpose.

People who live long enough to retire don’t have to eat catfood. People who die too young for that, but they still have minor children, the kids receive survivor benefits until they come of age.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 14, 2015 • 9:12:19am

re: #472 The Vicious Babushka

That is the FairTax meme—>
LOL all the “wars” they “won” were the horses & bayonets state of the art

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Yeah that one. It’s so painfully dishonest. As I am fond of saying so many people are conservative because they don’t appreciate or understand the past. I know this much, I am a liberal in large part because history tells me that so much of what we take for granted as a society (our weekends, our 40 hour work week, etc), were fought for by liberals against conservatives who wanted to maintain the status quo.

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lawhawk  Oct 14, 2015 • 9:12:26am

re: #472 The Vicious Babushka

They ignore all the other taxes that were imposed to cover costs of government - and as society modernized and required more and more infrastructure, the taxes of the time were unable to cover them - so new taxes were imposed. That includes income taxes, which states began imposing before the federal income tax. They wanted to pay for programs to benefit the general welfare of their citizens.

Those pushing Fair Tax and other nonsensical tax schemes are proffering a redistribution of wealth that would benefit only the rich - since they’d see their taxes drop precipitously, while everyone else is stuck with the tab.

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Timothy Watson  Oct 14, 2015 • 9:12:45am

re: #472 The Vicious Babushka

That is the FairTax meme—>
LOL all the “wars” they “won” were the horses & bayonets state of the art

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There sure were a lot of roads in 1913.

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Targetpractice  Oct 14, 2015 • 9:12:46am

re: #468 The Vicious Babushka

Since when are the number of Twitter followers a metric of anything significant?

Like the “diversity” BS, it’s the wingnuts trying desperately to find some way to declare a “win” after last night’s drama-free debate. They wanted to see Bernie and Hillary tear into each other, but instead got a serious discussion of ideas and proposals, which has left them scrambling to find something to thump their chests about.

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Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Oct 14, 2015 • 9:12:55am

re: #466 The Vicious Babushka

Hah! @realDonaldTrump is big winner in last night’s #Democrat debate with 70,000 new followers on Twitter pic.twitter.com
— Jim Hoft

How does someone this dumb get through life?

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Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Oct 14, 2015 • 9:13:27am

re: #478 Timothy Watson

There sure were a lot of roads in 1913.

Not many cars.

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The Vicious Babushka  Oct 14, 2015 • 9:13:40am

re: #474 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse

Derp. We had virtually no military. Hardly anyone went to college, other than the children of the elite.

People DID NOT KEEP “Everything they earned” they had to spend it on food, shelter, etc.

FairTaxers tell you that you can “Keep everything you earn!” except for the 30% more you will have to pay for everything you buy.

FairTaxers are the stupidest fucks on Twitter.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 14, 2015 • 9:14:19am

re: #477 lawhawk

They ignore all the other taxes that were imposed to cover costs of government - and as society modernized and required more and more infrastructure, the taxes of the time were unable to cover them - so new taxes were imposed. That includes income taxes, which states began imposing before the federal income tax. They wanted to pay for programs to benefit the general welfare of their citizens.

Those pushing Fair Tax and other nonsensical tax schemes are proffering a redistribution of wealth that would benefit only the rich - since they’d see their taxes drop precipitously, while everyone else is stuck with the tab.

There were a ton of vice taxes in those days too. The same things that if implemented at the same rate now would be called proof of the nanny state and I’d be hard pressed to disagree even. Anyone who sees that historical era as a golden age for America obviously never lived it or talked to someone who did.

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Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Oct 14, 2015 • 9:15:32am

re: #472 The Vicious Babushka

That is the FairTax meme—>
LOL all the “wars” they “won” were the horses & bayonets state of the art

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THE PEOPLE ARE BEING EXTORTED EXCEPT FOR EVERYONE WHO DON’T PAY FED TAXES LIKE EVERYONE ELSE BESIDES ME AND MY GOP FRIENDS

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Bubblehead II  Oct 14, 2015 • 9:15:34am

re: #470 b_sharp

Don’t you know all liberals on Twitter are able to be there because they’re unemployed?

You forgot and using Obama phones to do their postings..

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HappyWarrior  Oct 14, 2015 • 9:16:00am

Cons and Libertarans think this modern society just happened because of capitalism but it’s not like that. The government invested in the people. there’s so much in this country that exists because of that. Maybe some of it isn’t ideal but we need eficent government not less government.

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Targetpractice  Oct 14, 2015 • 9:16:13am

re: #478 Timothy Watson

There sure were a lot of roads in 1913.

Back in 1913, the only place you saw paved roads was major cities which had the tax revenues to afford crews to come in and either pack down the dirt or lay cobblestone down. Bigger towns might be able to afford to do the same on the main street and one or two smaller streets. But anywhere else and you’d be driving through mud with the first good rain storm.

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Oct 14, 2015 • 9:17:01am

re: #487 Targetpractice

Back in 1913, the only place you saw paved roads was major cities which had the tax revenues to afford crews to come in and either pack down the dirt to lay cobblestone down. Bigger towns might be able to afford to do the same on the main street and one or two smaller streets. But anywhere else and you’d be driving through mud with the first good rain storm.

and if you got sick in bad weather you had to hope that a doctor could make it out for a house call…

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HappyWarrior  Oct 14, 2015 • 9:17:18am

re: #487 Targetpractice

Back in 1913, the only place you saw paved roads was major cities which had the tax revenues to afford crews to come in and either pack down the dirt to lay cobblestone down. Bigger towns might be able to afford to do the same on the main street and one or two smaller streets. But anywhere else and you’d be driving through mud with the first good rain storm.

The modern road system is one of Ike’s best legacies. IT was done for military reasons (in the event of a Soviet invasion) but it was a great thing for our country as the railroad beacme less a factor in American life.

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The Vicious Babushka  Oct 14, 2015 • 9:17:45am

re: #487 Targetpractice

Back in 1913, the only place you saw paved roads was major cities which had the tax revenues to afford crews to come in and either pack down the dirt to lay cobblestone down. Bigger towns might be able to afford to do the same on the main street and one or two smaller streets. But anywhere else and you’d be driving through mud with the first good rain storm.

Lots of garbage and horse shit in the streets. Oh and orphans.

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Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Oct 14, 2015 • 9:18:11am

re: #487 Targetpractice

Back in 1913, the only place you saw paved roads was major cities which had the tax revenues to afford crews to come in and either pack down the dirt or lay cobblestone down. Bigger towns might be able to afford to do the same on the main street and one or two smaller streets. But anywhere else and you’d be driving through mud with the first good rain storm.

Wrong, Libtard!!! President Ike built the roads in 1900 without gov!!!! Luk it up!!!11

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Bird in the Paw  Oct 14, 2015 • 9:18:17am

re: #463 HappyWarrior

Conservatism at its very core is about maintaining the status quo and if that means no social mobility and the rich stay rich, well tough shit moocher.

This is true, but these folx are not conservatives, they are reactionaries. They would love to live in a feudal era, as long as they were they lords.

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lawhawk  Oct 14, 2015 • 9:18:44am

re: #483 HappyWarrior

They also tend to ignore that prohibition eliminated a major revenue source for the states - taxes on alcoholic beverages. That too spurred the development of the income tax to fund government operations.

Before Prohibition, many states relied heavily on excise taxes in liquor sales to fund their budgets. In New York, almost 75% of the state’s revenue was derived from liquor taxes. With Prohibition in effect, that revenue was immediately lost. At the national level, Prohibition cost the federal government a total of $11 billion in lost tax revenue, while costing over $300 million to enforce. The most lasting consequence was that many states and the federal government would come to rely on income tax revenue to fund their budgets going forward.

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Targetpractice  Oct 14, 2015 • 9:19:25am

re: #489 HappyWarrior

The modern road system is one of Ike’s best legacies. IT was done for military reasons (in the event of a Soviet invasion) but it was a great thing for our country as the railroad beacme less a factor in American life.

The idea of highways actually predates the IHS, right around the time that governments big and small realized that the automobile was more than just a fad. It got a big boost just before WWI, when the transport of munitions and men by truck began to become a regular thing.

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Belafon  Oct 14, 2015 • 9:19:27am

re: #480 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse

How does someone this dumb get through life?

The nanny state. He’d drink bleach if lids weren’t required to be child proof.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 14, 2015 • 9:19:50am

re: #492 Bird in the Paw

This is true, but these folx are not conservatives, they are reactionaries. They would love to live in a feudal era, as long as they were they lords.

That certainly is true too. I’ve seen many a conservative pine for the days when only landowners could vote. You’re right, this isn’t conservatism at all. It’s reactionarism.

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Decatur Deb  Oct 14, 2015 • 9:20:01am

re: #487 Targetpractice

Back in 1913, the only place you saw paved roads was major cities which had the tax revenues to afford crews to come in and either pack down the dirt to lay cobblestone down. Bigger towns might be able to afford to do the same on the main street and one or two smaller streets. But anywhere else and you’d be driving through mud with the first good rain storm.

As late as 1939 the active US Army was smaller than Portugal’s.

politifact.com

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HappyWarrior  Oct 14, 2015 • 9:20:15am

re: #494 Targetpractice

The idea of highways actually predates the IHS, right around the time that governments big and small realized that the automobile was more than just a fad. It got a big boost just before WWI, when the transport of munitions and men by truck began to become a regular thing.

Ah okay. That does make a lot of sense in any case.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 14, 2015 • 9:20:39am

Free Air by Sinclair Lewis gives a good description of road conditions back in the “good old days”.

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b_sharp  Oct 14, 2015 • 9:20:45am

Where’s our scuba dude this morning?

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HappyWarrior  Oct 14, 2015 • 9:20:48am

re: #497 Decatur Deb

As late as 1939 the active US Army was smaller than Portugal’s.

politifact.com

I did not know that. Knew it was small but not that small.

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No Depression  Oct 14, 2015 • 9:21:38am

re: #487 Targetpractice

Back in 1913, the only place you saw paved roads was major cities which had the tax revenues to afford crews to come in and either pack down the dirt to lay cobblestone down. Bigger towns might be able to afford to do the same on the main street and one or two smaller streets. But anywhere else and you’d be driving through mud with the first good rain storm.

I’ve actually seen conservatives that are basically against paved roads. It’s usually paleocons that hate Eisenhower for implementing the Interstate System

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HappyWarrior  Oct 14, 2015 • 9:22:58am

The “good old days” where it wasn’t unheard of to lose a child or spouse at a very young age. All but one of my four grandparents lost a sibling. My one grandmother’s mother died when my grandmother was ten and my other grandmother’s father’s first wife died young too. As been said, these people just don’t appreciate process. They enjoy it and they live it but they don’t understand just how far we’ve come and the reasons for it.

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The Vicious Babushka  Oct 14, 2015 • 9:23:15am

HEAR IS MOAR STUPIDS==>
Ted Cruz thinks he can win the GOP Hunger Games

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HappyWarrior  Oct 14, 2015 • 9:23:23am

re: #502 No Depression

I’ve actually seen conservatives that are basically against paved roads. It’s usually paleocons that hate Eisenhower for implementing the Interstate System

Palecons truly are a frigtening bunch.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 14, 2015 • 9:24:17am

re: #504 The Vicious Babushka

HEAR IS MOAR STUPIDS==>
Ted Cruz thinks he can win the GOP Hunger Games

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I have some Star Wars monopoly money lying around.

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sagehen  Oct 14, 2015 • 9:24:58am

re: #468 The Vicious Babushka

Since when are the number of Twitter followers a metric of anything significant?

Ask Taylor Swift, Justin Bieber and the Kardashians that question.

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dholmes32  Oct 14, 2015 • 9:25:20am

re: #116 Amory Blaine

I’ve had this discussion of free tuition since the nineties and every argument against it boils down to being butthurt that they had to pay tuition and don’t want someone else benefiting. Can you honestly not look around you and see that a significant number of jobs that require a degree to apply do not really require a degree to perform? It’s a fucking joke out here and everyone knows it.

What tuition? I can tell you how much tuition I paid my last semester in college at the University of Texas at Austin in Spring 1984. Full load of classes: $212.50 TOTAL. It still was a hassle scraping up the money because I was also working 32 hours a week and supporting myself but I did it.

My last year in law school, tuition was a measly $75/hour. It’s currently $962/hour (just checked).

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Targetpractice  Oct 14, 2015 • 9:25:37am

re: #504 The Vicious Babushka

HEAR IS MOAR STUPIDS==>
Ted Cruz thinks he can win the GOP Hunger Games

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May the odds ever be in his favor…because I could use the laugh of a Cruz/Clinton debate.

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The Vicious Babushka  Oct 14, 2015 • 9:25:43am

re: #502 No Depression

I’ve actually seen conservatives that are basically against paved roads. It’s usually paleocons that hate Eisenhower for implementing the Interstate System

Google Image search “Who will build the roads?” and stand back for a Shitnado of Libertarian Derp.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 14, 2015 • 9:26:42am

I am sure they also think if we privatized all the roads that it would be fine for whoever manages the roads to deny access based on “deeply held religious beliefs.”

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The Vicious Babushka  Oct 14, 2015 • 9:27:22am

re: #511 HappyWarrior

I am sure they also think if we privatized all the roads that it would be fine for whoever manages the roads to deny access based on “deeply held religious beliefs.”

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Bird in the Paw  Oct 14, 2015 • 9:27:28am

re: #510 The Vicious Babushka

Google Image search “Who will build the roads?” and stand back for a Shitnado of Libertarian Derp.

Libertarians are all for the idea of restricting free movement of people.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 14, 2015 • 9:28:16am

re: #512 The Vicious Babushka

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That too lol but I imagine a Kim Davis type toll operator trying to deny a gay driver acccess.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 14, 2015 • 9:29:16am

re: #513 Bird in the Paw

Libertarians are all for the idea of restricting free movement of people.

Libertarians frankly are frauds. They claim to be for civil rights but don’t want government to be able to enforce those rights.

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The Vicious Babushka  Oct 14, 2015 • 9:31:12am

LOL a Libertarian once tried to roadsplain:
HURR HURR WHO NEED ROADS?? IF GUBMIT WOULD OF GOT OUT OF EVERYWUNS WAY WE COULD OF HAD ARE OWN CAR PLANES BYE NOW!!!!!!

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Belafon  Oct 14, 2015 • 9:31:15am

re: #515 HappyWarrior

Libertarians frankly are frauds. They claim to be for civil rights but don’t want government to be able to enforce those rights.

Everyone will just pay for their rights.

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No Depression  Oct 14, 2015 • 9:31:26am

re: #510 The Vicious Babushka

Google Image search “Who will build the roads?” and stand back for a Shitnado of Libertarian Derp.

You weren’t joking. But it wasn’t a total waste:

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HappyWarrior  Oct 14, 2015 • 9:32:44am

re: #517 Belafon

Everyone will just pay for their rights.

Yep.

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The Vicious Babushka  Oct 14, 2015 • 9:32:48am
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plansbandc  Oct 14, 2015 • 9:32:52am

Sigh.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 14, 2015 • 9:34:11am
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HappyWarrior  Oct 14, 2015 • 9:34:14am

re: #520 The Vicious Babushka

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You’d get humiliated Donald because you would be dealing with someone who actually values intelligence.

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Oct 14, 2015 • 9:34:30am

re: #521 plansbandc

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Sigh.

That awkward moment when you admit that your understanding of politics and history is limited to buzzwords and catch phrases…

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BlueSpotinAL  Oct 14, 2015 • 9:35:38am

re: #504 The Vicious Babushka

HEAR IS MOAR STUPIDS==>
Ted Cruz thinks he can win the GOP Hunger Games

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Ted Cruz catching fire must be referring to his pants.

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The Vicious Babushka  Oct 14, 2015 • 9:35:58am

re: #521 plansbandc

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Sigh.

Some wingnut posted a Photoshop of Bernie in a SS uniform

I said Do you realize how hateful this is? Bernie Sanders had relatives who were Holocaust victims!

Wingnut: HURR HURR THEN HE SHOULD NO BETTER THEN TO BE A DEMOCRATIC SOCIALIST!!!!!

Me: Um, did you know the Democratic Socialists were among the first to be exterminated by the Nazis?

Wingnut: HURR HURR NAZIS IS TEH REAL SOCIALUSTS THAY HAS SOSHULUST IN THERE NAME!!!!!! READ LIBRUL FASHIZM U LIBTAARD!!!!!

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HappyWarrior  Oct 14, 2015 • 9:36:24am

re: #521 plansbandc

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Sigh.

The same Bernie Sanders who had family killed in the Holocaust. And the Nazis weren’t fucking socialists. They hated the SPD literally the Socialist Party of Germany and the German communists.

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piratedan  Oct 14, 2015 • 9:36:42am

re: #521 plansbandc

YEAH…. and the Democratic Republic of the Congo is just that, just like East Germany was listed as a Republic… gotta love the idea that if you want a fag in the UK that means you’re a smoker and if you want one in the US, it’s a statement on your sexual orientation.

That’s the nice thing about being a Coinservative, never having to worry about nuance or context….

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The Vicious Babushka  Oct 14, 2015 • 9:37:05am

HEAR IS MOAR STUPIDS==>

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HappyWarrior  Oct 14, 2015 • 9:37:40am

re: #526 The Vicious Babushka

Some wingnut posted a Photoshop of Bernie in a SS uniform

I said Do you realize how hateful this is? Bernie Sanders had relatives who were Holocaust victims!

Wingnut: HURR HURR THEN HE SHOULD NO BETTER THEN TO BE A DEMOCRATIC SOCIALIST!!!!!

Me: Um, did you know the Democratic Socialists were among the first to be exterminated by the Nazis?

Wingnut: HURR HURR NAZIS IS TEH REAL SOCIALUSTS THAY HAS SOSHULUST IN THERE NAME!!!!!! READ LIBRUL FASHIZM U LIBTAARD!!!!!

They don’t care because the Nazis aren’t real to them, their sense of everlasting victimhood is.

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The Vicious Babushka  Oct 14, 2015 • 9:37:56am

re: #528 piratedan

YEAH…. and the Democratic Republic of the Congo is just that, just like East Germany was listed as a Republic… gotta love the idea that if you want a fag in the UK that means you’re a smoker and if you want one in the US, it’s a statement on your sexual orientation.

That’s the nice thing about being a Coinservative, never having to worry about nuance or context….

People’s Republic of China means all the Chinese People are Republicans!

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Decatur Deb  Oct 14, 2015 • 9:38:11am

re: #526 The Vicious Babushka

Some wingnut posted a Photoshop of Bernie in a SS uniform

I said Do you realize how hateful this is? Bernie Sanders had relatives who were Holocaust victims!

Wingnut: HURR HURR THEN HE SHOULD NO BETTER THEN TO BE A DEMOCRATIC SOCIALIST!!!!!

Me: Um, did you know the Democratic Socialists were among the first to be exterminated by the Nazis?

Wingnut: HURR HURR NAZIS IS TEH REAL SOCIALUSTS THAY HAS SOSHULUST IN THERE NAME!!!!!! READ LIBRUL FASHIZM U LIBTAARD!!!!!

“Democratic Socialist”, “National Socialist”—six of one, 120 divisions of the other.

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Jay C  Oct 14, 2015 • 9:39:11am

re: #489 HappyWarrior

The modern road system is one of Ike’s best legacies. IT was done for military reasons (in the event of a Soviet invasion) but it was a great thing for our country as the railroad beacme less a factor in American life.

Ike had personal experience of the issue; in 1919, the young Major Eisenhower was part of a big Army convoy which set out with an assortment of motor vehicles to go from one end of the country to the other by road (Washington to San Francisco, I believe). I think it took them something like 60 days at an average speed of 8 mph, or something like that: and outside of cities and towns, the roads were, at best, dirt, or more usually (especially in the West), just ruts in the prairie.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 14, 2015 • 9:39:12am

The airing Reoublican Army. Total conservatives and members of the GOP.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 14, 2015 • 9:40:17am

Irish err

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 14, 2015 • 9:40:28am
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wrenchwench  Oct 14, 2015 • 9:40:55am
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Lidane  Oct 14, 2015 • 9:41:14am

Memo to the LGF mothership:

Plz to post anything else right now so I don’t have to see a giant image of a goofy, ginger-faced douchecanoe when I come to the site. Thank you!

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sagehen  Oct 14, 2015 • 9:41:51am

re: #508 dholmes32

What tuition? I can tell you how much tuition I paid my last semester in college at the University of Texas at Austin in Spring 1984. Full load of classes: $212.50 TOTAL. It still was a hassle scraping up the money because I was also working 32 hours a week and supporting myself but I did it.

My last year in law school, tuition was a measly $75/hour. It’s currently $962/hour (just checked).

I also graduated college in 1984; at my highly selective, super-expensive private college, a year’s tuition was 3200 hours of minimum wage. Today, it’s more than double that. (also, back then “word processing” was a marketable skill, it paid about 4x minimum. A person actually could work their way through.)

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HappyWarrior  Oct 14, 2015 • 9:42:08am

re: #533 Jay C

Ike had personal experience of the issue; in 1919, the young major Eisenhower was part of a big Army convoy which set out with an assortment of motor vehicles to go from one end of the country to the other by road (Washington to San Francisco, I believe). I think it took them something like 60 days at an average speed of 8 mph, or something like that: and outside of cities and towns, the roads were, at best, dirt, or more usually (especially in the West), just ruts in the prairie.

Didn’t know that. Really after Lincoln and TR, Ike was the best thing to happen to the GOP. Too bad they’ve ran away from his legacy.

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The Vicious Babushka  Oct 14, 2015 • 9:43:13am

HEAR IS MOAR STUPIDS==>

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HappyWarrior  Oct 14, 2015 • 9:44:50am

re: #541 The Vicious Babushka

HEAR IS MOAR STUPIDS==>

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As opposed to Republicons who want tax cuts and more military spending and a fucking border fence and to deport all illegals?

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Lidane  Oct 14, 2015 • 9:46:04am

Predictable hack is predictable:

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Lidane  Oct 14, 2015 • 9:47:08am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 14, 2015 • 9:47:22am
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piratedan  Oct 14, 2015 • 9:47:47am

re: #543 Lidane

whereas as we’d have to resort to RPS to determine which GOP candidate is the most paleolithic….. but then again, in their worldview, I guess both scissors and paper would be considered “magic”.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 14, 2015 • 9:49:01am

re: #543 Lidane

Predictable hack is predictable:

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As opposed to GOP debates which never are about trying to out wingnut each other or the fact the Dems had Webb there. There never will be anyone who is in the left of his party as Webb is in his party’s right in any GOP debate. Marco is a clueless hack as usual.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 14, 2015 • 9:50:47am

Better a liberal though than a weasel conservative like Rubio who has no real principles. I’ll remind Marco again he beat Crist whining about a hug.

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Timothy Watson  Oct 14, 2015 • 9:51:49am

re: #508 dholmes32

What tuition? I can tell you how much tuition I paid my last semester in college at the University of Texas at Austin in Spring 1984. Full load of classes: $212.50 TOTAL. It still was a hassle scraping up the money because I was also working 32 hours a week and supporting myself but I did it.

My last year in law school, tuition was a measly $75/hour. It’s currently $962/hour (just checked).

I’ve bought a single college textbook for more than $212.50.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 14, 2015 • 9:52:08am
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HappyWarrior  Oct 14, 2015 • 9:52:51am

re: #550 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Poor Randy Rand.

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The Vicious Babushka  Oct 14, 2015 • 9:53:38am

THIS IS THE CREEPIEST PHOTO YOU WILL SEE ALL DAY==>

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Charles Johnson  Oct 14, 2015 • 9:54:02am

Chuck Johnson has gone silent.

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Jay C  Oct 14, 2015 • 9:54:28am

re: #540 HappyWarrior

Just pulled those figures for the 1919 Transcontinental Motor Convoy out of my memory, but they were close enough:

The convoy travelled up to 32 mph (51 km/h), and the schedule was for 18 mph (29 km/h): to average 15 mph (24 km/h).The actual average for the 3,250 mi (5,230 km) covered in 573.5 hours was 5.65 mph (9.09 km/h) over the 56 travel days for an average of 10.24 hours per travel day.

And not even a Howard Johnson’s along the way to stop at, either.

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WhatEVs  Oct 14, 2015 • 9:54:47am

re: #281 lawhawk

I understand that, but for those who complain about solvency, there’s good reason to lift the income cap, while maintaining the benefit cap - those who have more income are more likely to be in a position not to need SS.

As soon as you do that it becomes an entitlement and not a benefit. I understand the point but once that happens it becomes “welfare” and not an earned benefit that one pays into their entire lives.

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piratedan  Oct 14, 2015 • 9:55:15am

re: #553 Charles Johnson

and suddenly, it was if the voices of a thousand asshats were suddenly snuffed out of existence and the rest of the universe sighed peacefully…. at last.

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allegro  Oct 14, 2015 • 9:55:58am

IMO thebig winner of last night’s debate was the American people. It was a display of true maturity and leadership, adults thoughtfully discussing complex issues with give and take and willingness to consider knowledgeable counter-ideas to come to better solutions. O’Malley summed it up with his closing statement that makes our choices at the voting booth so clear. That debate gave me such a positive feeling about our future as a country.

And then the fucking pundits starting talking and I got depressed again.

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wrenchwench  Oct 14, 2015 • 9:56:03am

Senate Majority Leader Michael Sanchez says any GOP-sponsored bill aimed at repealing New Mexico’s immigrant driver’s license law won’t make it to the Senate floor next session. Again.

One of state’s most powerful Democratic legislators told The Associated Press on Tuesday that even if it did, there wouldn’t be enough votes to pass the proposal supported by Republican Gov. Susana Martinez.

Martinez campaigned last year on repealing a state law that allows immigrants suspected of being in the country illegally to obtain New Mexico driver’s licenses. She says the law opens up New Mexico to fraud.

[…]

Having a Republican Secretary of State has unquestionable opened up New Mexico to fraud.

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The Vicious Babushka  Oct 14, 2015 • 9:56:09am

No shit Jim, they totally did not get any of the “Reality TV” fan base

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 14, 2015 • 9:56:52am

re: #553 Charles Johnson

Chuck Johnson has gone silent.

yep. I’ve been checking his FB page and nothing new there since early yesterday.

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Bubblehead II  Oct 14, 2015 • 9:57:03am

re: #553 Charles Johnson

Chuck Johnson has gone silent.

Facebook shut him down again?

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Stuff Happens  Oct 14, 2015 • 9:57:08am

I imagine what is happening with Chuck.

Chuck (to judge) Have pity my lawyer is an idiot.
Chuck’s lawyer. Mercy, my client is an fool..
Judge (channeling his inner King Solomon) Your are both correct. Go directly to jail. Do not pass GO. Do not collect $200.00.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 14, 2015 • 9:58:00am

re: #559 The Vicious Babushka

No shit Jim, they totally did not get any of the “Reality TV” fan base

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Doesn’t his own story say CNN set records last night?

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It's on his hat!  Oct 14, 2015 • 9:58:35am

re: #559 The Vicious Babushka

No shit Jim, they totally did not get any of the “Reality TV” fan base

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As with the stupid idea about Twitter followers, attention does not mean support.

I follow Trump on Twitter, not because I like or support him, but because I want to be up-to-date on the stupid shit he’s saying.

In the same vein, I watched the GOP debates for entertainment.

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b_sharp  Oct 14, 2015 • 9:58:41am

I yearn for a Chuck Free Zone on LGF.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 14, 2015 • 9:59:46am

re: #564 It’s on his hat!

As with the stupid idea about Twitter followers, attention does not mean support.

I follow Trump on Twitter, not because I like or support him, but because I want to be up-to-date on the stupid shit he’s saying.

In the same vein, I watched the GOP debates for entertainment.

Right. Numbers are just that.

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Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Oct 14, 2015 • 10:00:19am

re: #559 The Vicious Babushka

No shit Jim, they totally did not get any of the “Reality TV” fan base

So Dim Jim still all the way with Trump, huh? Hope he has a backup plan.

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Varek Raith  Oct 14, 2015 • 10:00:35am

re: #559 The Vicious Babushka

No shit Jim, they totally did not get any of the “Reality TV” fan base

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Or the people who only tuned it to the GOP debate to see a train wreck.

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Franklin  Oct 14, 2015 • 10:02:15am

Google is all-knowing

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Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Oct 14, 2015 • 10:02:17am

re: #550 Backwoods_Sleuth

Technology. How the hell does it work?

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lawhawk  Oct 14, 2015 • 10:02:34am
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Franklin  Oct 14, 2015 • 10:03:32am

re: #571 lawhawk

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No shit. I mean, I watched the (R) debate but caught up on some sleep instead of watching last nights (D) debate.

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Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Oct 14, 2015 • 10:03:40am

re: #571 lawhawk

Oh, Drudge and Dim Jim are beeping the same meme?

Here’s my surprised face…

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HappyWarrior  Oct 14, 2015 • 10:04:06am

re: #569 Franklin

Google is all-knowing

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What a tool.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 14, 2015 • 10:05:51am

I also don’t think the Republicans were competition get with playoff baseball. You got a New York and LA team in the playoffs. Those are two big markets.

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allegro  Oct 14, 2015 • 10:06:42am

re: #568 Varek Raith

Or the people who only tuned it to the GOP debate to see a train wreck.

Also because reality based liberals and independents want information and are willing to hear those who are ideologically opposed to us.

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Higgs Boson's Mate  Oct 14, 2015 • 10:06:43am

re: #576 HappyWarrior

I also don’t think the Republicans were competition get with playoff baseball. You got a New York and LA team in the playoffs. Those are two big markets.

Which leads you to wonder why the DNC scheduled it that way.

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lawhawk  Oct 14, 2015 • 10:06:44am

The GOP keeps proving that insanity sells, and that racism, bigotry, xenophobia, all means higher polling in the GOP among the base.

That speaks as much to the depravities of the GOP base as it does those espousing it on the campaign trail, including Trump, Carson, etc.

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The Vicious Babushka  Oct 14, 2015 • 10:06:48am

Hillary was the only one last night to answer the Snowden question correctly.

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Varek Raith  Oct 14, 2015 • 10:07:22am

re: #578 Higgs Boson’s Mate

Which leads you to wonder why the DNC scheduled it that way.

Because it’s the DNC.

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The Vicious Babushka  Oct 14, 2015 • 10:07:55am

IF THEY ONLY LIVED IN A COUNTRY THAT HAD THE 2ND AMENDMENT THEY COULD OF RESISTED TEH TYRANNY WITH THERE GUNS!!!!!!

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Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Oct 14, 2015 • 10:08:47am

re: #582 The Vicious Babushka

Ahh yes the govt would never turn in its citizens! #JapaneseInternment #guncontrol #tcot #RedNationRising pic.twitter.com
— Young Conservative

I thought conservative wingnut Michelle Malkin told us the Japanese internment camps were OK?

/

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The Vicious Babushka  Oct 14, 2015 • 10:09:41am

re: #583 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse

I thought conservative wingnut Michelle Malkin told us the Japanese internment camps were OK?

/

Wingnuts don’t always coordinate their memes.

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Eric The Fruit Bat  Oct 14, 2015 • 10:10:44am

re: #158 Targetpractice

“Ah, arrogance and stupidity all in the same package. How efficient of you.”

I’m assuming you’re talking about this man….

Arrogance and Stupidity

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Jay C  Oct 14, 2015 • 10:11:45am

re: #584 The Vicious Babushka

Wingnuts don’t always coordinate their memes.

Or even think them through very much, either.

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Kragar  Oct 14, 2015 • 10:12:38am
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gwangung  Oct 14, 2015 • 10:12:58am

re: #530 HappyWarrior

They don’t care because the Nazis aren’t real to them, their sense of everlasting victimhood is.

Neither Nazis nor communists are real to them.

That’s why they disrespect the memory of those who died because of those two bands of criminals.

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It's on his hat!  Oct 14, 2015 • 10:13:00am

re: #579 lawhawk

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The GOP keeps proving that insanity sells, and that racism, bigotry, xenophobia, all means higher polling in the GOP among the base.

That speaks as much to the depravities of the GOP base as it does those espousing it on the campaign trail, including Trump, Carson, etc.

Seriously, what year is it?

We’ve got a presidential front-runner openly calling out people of a specific religion as not fit to serve in public office (among other bigoted bullshit), and when he gets flak for it, he doubles down and demands the IRS look into the group that’s criticizing him.

And people love him for it.

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The Vicious Babushka  Oct 14, 2015 • 10:14:17am

re: #588 gwangung

Neither Nazis nor communists are real to them.

That’s why they disrespect the memory of those who died because of those two bands of criminals.

They only invoke Nazis or “socialists” in order to co-opt themselves as the victims.

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Stanley Sea Toujours  Oct 14, 2015 • 10:14:53am

re: #579 lawhawk

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The GOP keeps proving that insanity sells, and that racism, bigotry, xenophobia, all means higher polling in the GOP among the base.

That speaks as much to the depravities of the GOP base as it does those espousing it on the campaign trail, including Trump, Carson, etc.

The Muslims.

The Blacks.

Next, if not already, the Jews.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 14, 2015 • 10:15:00am

re: #578 Higgs Boson’s Mate

Which leads you to wonder why the DNC scheduled it that way.

I don’t think the DNC knew what the playoff schedule was going to be nor that two teams from the country’s biggest media markets would be playing each other. The Mets were especially a surprise this year.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 14, 2015 • 10:15:47am

re: #582 The Vicious Babushka

IF THEY ONLY LIVED IN A COUNTRY THAT HAD THE 2ND AMENDMENT THEY COULD OF RESISTED TEH TYRANNY WITH THERE GUNS!!!!!!

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He should talk to Michelle Malkin about that. She thought that was a good thing. And if the Japanese-Americans had fired back, it would have been much worse.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 14, 2015 • 10:16:50am

re: #588 gwangung

Neither Nazis nor communists are real to them.

That’s why they disrespect the memory of those who died because of those two bands of criminals.

Precisely. They constantly shit on the memories of people who died in real tyranny because in order to legitimatize their fucked up beliefs, they need to see themselves as bein akin to Holocaust victims or Stalinist/Maoist victims.

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dholmes32  Oct 14, 2015 • 10:16:51am

re: #549 Timothy Watson

I’ve bought a single college textbook for more than $212.50.

That’s how I put myself through school, working in a college bookstore. You’ve not lived until you’ve had a student throw their old edition biology textbook at you because you’re not offering anything in buyback for it.

I’m amazed to see how much basic textbooks cost any more. I’m astonished to see textbooks for freshman classes over $100. I just checked, the textbook for first semester Spanish at the local community college is $212.50. The tuition for the 4 credit class is $336 (not including fees). Yeah, Arizona still believes in somewhat supporting colleges.

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Higgs Boson's Mate  Oct 14, 2015 • 10:17:03am

re: #581 Varek Raith

Because it’s the DNC.

The DNC scheduled 26 debates in 2008. This year it scheduled six. Obama’s performance in them versus Clinton’s is given as one to the reasons that Clinton lost. Debbie Wasserman-Schultz was Clinton’s campaign manager, now she’s head of the DNC.

Attempting to create an air of inevitability is a strategy though I believe that it also leads people to be complacent at a time when complacency will kill us.

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wrenchwench  Oct 14, 2015 • 10:17:28am

re: #585 Eric The Fruit Bat

I’m assuming you’re talking about this man….

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We had a pigeon show up on our deck after a huge windstorm. The feathers on its head looked just like Londo’s hairdo, so we called him Londo. Flew away after a few days.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 14, 2015 • 10:17:56am

re: #596 Higgs Boson’s Mate

The DNC scheduled 26 debates in 2008. This year it scheduled six. Obama’s performance in them versus Clinton’s is given as one to the reasons that Clinton lost. Debbie Wasserman-Schultz was Clinton’s campaign manager, now she’s head of the DNC.

Attempting to create an air of inevitability is a strategy though I believe that it also leads people to be complacent at a time when complacency will kill us.

Yeah it’s a big mistake on Debbie’s part. Healthy debate is good. The party and country needs it.

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allegro  Oct 14, 2015 • 10:18:59am

re: #593 HappyWarrior

He should talk to Michelle Malkin about that. She thought that was a good thing. And if the Japanese-Americans had fired back, it would have been much worse.

No shit. We might not have George Takei now!

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Pawn of the Oppressor  Oct 14, 2015 • 10:23:38am

re: #467 HappyWarrior

I know VB has posted this meme before but there’s a really stupid one where it’s like 1912: no income tax and people still went to college. Ignores in those days that college was for the very few. None of my great grandparents graduated college and hell only one of my grandparents did. The country that invests in her people is a country that succeeds. Yes, ultimately some things ought to be private and should remain that way but healthy government intervention is essential to the difference between a successful nation state than an oligarchy full of very rich and very poor.

Wait, that’s a meme? Like, people actually think 1912 is comparable to today? Our entire army was smaller than today’s NYPD. College education was not widespread and wouldn’t be until what, WW2 and just afterwards? College back then was a rare thing, enough to earn you prestige and respect.

When I graduated high school in the late 90’s, out of my class of about 300, only two people didn’t go to college, and one of them was joining the military. A $35,000 yearly tuition was considered upper-tier (I hear now it’s almost average??!). Everybody’s been to college, everybody’s broke, and higher education doesn’t mean shit anymore. 19 fucking 12… WTF…

Anyway my thought on comparing financial circumstances to the freaking Taft administration is to ask:

“Do you even fact, bro?”

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Eclectic Cyborg  Oct 14, 2015 • 10:48:00am

re: #553 Charles Johnson

Chuck Johnson has gone silent.

I wonder if his lawyer told him to shut the fuck up.

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BeachDem  Oct 14, 2015 • 11:10:14am

re: #592 HappyWarrior

I don’t think the DNC knew what the playoff schedule was going to be nor that two teams from the country’s biggest media markets would be playing each other. The Mets were especially a surprise this year.

I, for instance, didn’t get to watch it, because where i was working, they had the game on and then switched to some show where they were building combustion engines or some such. And I’m in a pretty Dem area right now—but baseball is bigger (and, apparently, combustion engines as well//)

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Eventual Carrion  Oct 14, 2015 • 12:10:11pm

re: #552 The Vicious Babushka

THIS IS THE CREEPIEST PHOTO YOU WILL SEE ALL DAY==>

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The girl was thinking, “This guy smells dead!”. But it was just his brain.

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militantagnostic  Oct 15, 2015 • 9:29:21am

The little chickenshit is giving ted cruz a run for “most punchable face”


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