Post-Debate Thoughts

State of the Democratic Party
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Reading over some of the right wing sites today is a view into a strange alternate universe where everything is reversed; to these folks, the Democratic debate was a crazy festival of socialism and the only person on the stage who was even remotely sane was… Jim Webb. Yes, the guy who bragged about killing a man.

My main take-away from this debate was that Hillary Clinton did exceptionally well; she came off as relaxed, knowledgeable and even likeable, with no sign of being ground down by the relentless GOP attempts to smear her with one bogus controversy after another.

Another impression: Hillary has a real adversary in Bernie Sanders. Sanders showed he’s not going to be someone who just vanishes from the scene or produces a gaffe so bad it removes him from the running; he was smart and passionate, and very well-reasoned. And he had the line of the night when he said to Hillary Clinton, “The American people are sick and tired of hearing about your damn emails.” You said it, Bernie.

Most of all, this debate was a real debate, not a tedious circus act like the Republican debates in which all the candidates have absolutely identical views on everything and have to rely on personal attacks to differentiate themselves. At the Democratic debate, there were real points of contention about issues like gun control, the Iraq War, climate change, the downside of free market capitalism, and more.

Having these different views really shows that the Democratic Party is alive, healthy and engaged with issues that really matter to America in the 21st century; by contrast, the GOP debates have been demonstrations of the moribund and hidebound nature of a reactionary party trying to roll back progress to 19th century levels.

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Oct 14, 2015 • 10:19:47am

Killing good. Socialism bad.

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Higgs Boson's Mate  Oct 14, 2015 • 10:21:56am

The ghost of Adlai Stephenson smiles ruefully.

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gwangung  Oct 14, 2015 • 10:22:14am

Right wing wouldn’t know socialism if it bit them in the ass.

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Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Oct 14, 2015 • 10:22:25am
Most of all, this debate was a real debate, not a tedious circus act like the Republican debates in which all the candidates have absolutely identical views on everything and have to rely on personal attacks to differentiate themselves.

Hurr hurr But we haz all the divercity and MILLIONS watched GOP debate with TRUMP!!!!!11

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Kragar  Oct 14, 2015 • 10:22:49am
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The Vicious Babushka  Oct 14, 2015 • 10:23:22am
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wrenchwench  Oct 14, 2015 • 10:23:28am

re: #3 gwangung

Right wing wouldn’t know socialism if it bit them in the ass.

And it would!

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The Vicious Babushka  Oct 14, 2015 • 10:23:56am
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EmmaAnne  Oct 14, 2015 • 10:24:00am

Anyone have a link for clips of the best bits from the debate? I actually forgot to watch it (oops).

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HappyWarrior  Oct 14, 2015 • 10:25:11am

See what’s telling to me is even though the Dems have a much smaller candidate pool which I think is a virtue, there’s much more range in their ideas. Webb to Sanders is vastly diferent than anything in the GOP.

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Kragar  Oct 14, 2015 • 10:25:49am
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The Vicious Babushka  Oct 14, 2015 • 10:25:53am

HEAR IS MOAR STUPIDS==>

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Kid A  Oct 14, 2015 • 10:27:51am

Last night a family member on Facebook said “Praying this country doesn’t get in the hands of one of these lunatics,” in regards to the debate.

Muted and unfollowed.

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It's on his hat!  Oct 14, 2015 • 10:27:51am

re: #11 Kragar

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How could any conspiracy so vast be so stupid at the same time?!

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The Vicious Babushka  Oct 14, 2015 • 10:28:07am

Lemme fix that for ya, Crowder:

GOP FRONTRUNNERS
Rich Asshole, Autistic Savant, Yooge Failure

DEM FRONTRUNNERS
U.S. Senator for 30 years with proven track record
Former FLOTUS, Diplomat, U.S. Senator

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Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Oct 14, 2015 • 10:28:08am

re: #12 The Vicious Babushka

HEAR IS MOAR STUPIDS==>

True, we don’t have any teenagers or Bushes or failed business people running.

#Rand #Rubio #Jeb! #Carly

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HappyWarrior  Oct 14, 2015 • 10:28:17am

re: #12 The Vicious Babushka

HEAR IS MOAR STUPIDS==>

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A business tycoon that has declared bankruptcy four times, a neurosurgeon who repeatedly shows himself to be a moron on all other subject matters, and a CEO who was fired for being so bad at her job. Yep real winners Stevie.

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Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Oct 14, 2015 • 10:28:47am

re: #13 Kid A

Last night a family member on Facebook said “Praying this country doesn’t get in the hands of one of these lunatics,” in regards to the debate.

Muted and unfollowed.

Would be worser than Kenyan Obummer.
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HappyWarrior  Oct 14, 2015 • 10:29:16am

re: #15 The Vicious Babushka

Lemme fix that for ya, Crowder:

GOP FRONTRUNNERS
Rich Asshole, Autistic Savant, Yooge Failure

DEM FRONTRUNNERS
U.S. Senator for 30 years with proven track record
Former FLOTUS, Diplomat, U.S. Senator

Can we not call him an autistic savant with all respect?

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jaunte  Oct 14, 2015 • 10:30:09am
“…It’s always the Republicans or their sympathizers who say, “You can’t have paid leave, you can’t provide healthcare.” They don’t mind having Big Government to interfere with a woman’s right to choose and to try to take down Planned Parenthood. They’re fine with Big Government when it comes to that. I’M SICK OF IT! You know, we can do these things! We should not be paralyzed by the Republicans and their constant refrain, “big government this, big government that,” except for what THEY want to impose on the American people.”
wonkette.com
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The Vicious Babushka  Oct 14, 2015 • 10:30:24am

re: #19 HappyWarrior

Can we not call him an autistic savant with all respect?

Idiot savant work for you?

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HappyWarrior  Oct 14, 2015 • 10:31:13am

re: #21 The Vicious Babushka

Idiot savant work for you?

SURe. It’s just being on the spectrum myself, I really don’t see myself in this prick. Now that could be confirmation bias on my part but I really don’t think he’s autistic. I think he’s just an idiotic dick.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 14, 2015 • 10:32:13am

re: #20 jaunte

That is absolutely corect and I challenge any Republican to prove that wrong.

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Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Oct 14, 2015 • 10:32:17am

re: #20 jaunte

GOP Big Government isn’t Big Government it’s FREEDUMB!!!!

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Dr. Matt  Oct 14, 2015 • 10:32:23am

Thanks for the nice synopsis, Charles. I worked late yesterday and rather than raising my bp watching politics, I choose to enjoy a great Malbec and catch-up on my DVR.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 14, 2015 • 10:33:01am

No hard feelings in any case VB, it doesn’t offend me.

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jaunte  Oct 14, 2015 • 10:33:22am

re: #23 HappyWarrior

“WHY U WANT BABBY PARTS?”

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Dr. Matt  Oct 14, 2015 • 10:33:29am

re: #21 The Vicious Babushka

Idiot savant work for you?

I prefer the label, “Grade-A douche-bag and professional asshole”.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 14, 2015 • 10:33:46am

re: #28 Dr. Matt

I prefer the label, “Grade-A douche-bag and professional asshole”.

Which one is which?

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Oct 14, 2015 • 10:33:58am

re: #21 The Vicious Babushka

Idiot savant work for you?

I respect him as a surgeon, but nothing else.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 14, 2015 • 10:34:19am

I’d like to thank Dr. Carson for showing us that Trump’s not the only Asshole-American seeking the GOP nomination.

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allegro  Oct 14, 2015 • 10:35:01am

Having CNN still on in the background after the debate last night I got all WTF at hearing S.E. Cupp say that the candidates made collegiality and friendliness “like a fetish” that was unrealistic and couldn’t be sustained.

Uh, sweet pea, this is how intelligent adults talk and discuss important issues.

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EmmaAnne  Oct 14, 2015 • 10:36:02am

re: #9 EmmaAnne

Anyone have a link for clips of the best bits from the debate? I actually forgot to watch it (oops).

Partially answering my own question, there is some good stuff here:

theguardian.com

I’d like a more extensive “best moments” clip - maybe five or ten minutes - but this did include the “damn emails” bit in a little longer format than the Vine.

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Dr. Matt  Oct 14, 2015 • 10:36:08am

re: #29 HappyWarrior

Which one is which?

Trump. But, I guess the label is applicable to their entire clown car.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 14, 2015 • 10:36:24am

re: #32 allegro

Having CNN still on in the background after the debate last night I got all WTF at hearing S.E. Cupp say that the candidates made collegiality and friendliness “like a fetish” that was unrealistic and couldn’t be sustained.

Uh, sweet pea, this is how intelligent adults talk and discuss important issues.

I guess she’s used to the GOP debates where everyone just tries to outwing nut each other. She really is clueless but what does one expect from someone who calls themselves an Atheist but panders to those who believe in Christians being the most persecuted faith group in this country

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HappyWarrior  Oct 14, 2015 • 10:36:43am

re: #34 Dr. Matt

Trump. But, I guess the label is applicable to their entire clown car.

Heh that was a joke. I figured asshole was Trump and douche was CArson.

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The Vicious Babushka  Oct 14, 2015 • 10:37:39am

re: #22 HappyWarrior

SURe. It’s just being on the spectrum myself, I really don’t see myself in this prick. Now that could be confirmation bias on my part but I really don’t think he’s autistic. I think he’s just an idiotic dick.

I believe “autistic savant” is the name assigned by diagnosticians to the condition portrayed by Dustin Hoffman in the movie “Rain Man” a person with extraordinary talent in one limited field, but otherwise severely retarded. But there is no evidence that people with this syndrome are actually on the spectrum.

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jaunte  Oct 14, 2015 • 10:37:47am
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gwangung  Oct 14, 2015 • 10:38:07am

re: #12 The Vicious Babushka

HEAR IS MOAR STUPIDS==>

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This sounds like comic nerds whining, “We got green people, we got blue people—-why ya wanna talk about diversity with us????”

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Belafon  Oct 14, 2015 • 10:38:12am

Republican bigotry blinds them to what actually happened in 2008. We had a primary with a black senator, a female senator, and other governors and senators. The person that won was considered the best person for the job. And then he won. And then he became the first black president. We did not vote for him because he was black. Just like voting for Clinton will not be because she’s female.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Oct 14, 2015 • 10:38:48am

Honestly, Carson doesn’t have to be on the Spectrum, or an Idiot Savant to be a brilliant but highly specialized surgeon who has no clue about anything outside of braincutting. There are lots of brilliant people out there whose political and/or religious views override their ability to think rationally. They can be the most frustrating people to deal with because they bring all the confidence of the highly intelligent to the defense of the mind bogglingly stupid.

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Oct 14, 2015 • 10:39:24am

re: #40 Belafon

Republican bigotry blinds them to what actually happened in 2008. We had a primary with a black senator, a female senator, and other governors and senators. The person that won was considered the best least worst person for the job. And then he won. And then he became the first black president. We did not vote for him because he was black. Just like voting for Clinton will not be because she’s female.

You vote for the candidates you get, not the ones you choose…

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HappyWarrior  Oct 14, 2015 • 10:39:51am

re: #37 The Vicious Babushka

I believe “autistic savant” is the name assigned by diagnosticians to the condition portrayed by Dustin Hoffman in the movie “Rain Man” a person with extraordinary talent in one limited field, but otherwise severely retarded. But there is no evidence that people with this syndrome are actually on the spectrum.

He really does astonish one with how igrnaotn he is. I mean I’d have to try to be that ignorant and that heartless.

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Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Oct 14, 2015 • 10:40:32am

re: #38 jaunte

Outrageous Outrage because.

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Belafon  Oct 14, 2015 • 10:42:19am

re: #42 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

No reason for that fix: If I go to a restaurant, I choose the best thing from the menu, not the least worst thing.

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sagehen  Oct 14, 2015 • 10:42:20am

re: #38 jaunte

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Huh? What the hell is happening in Cameroon?

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Jenner7  Oct 14, 2015 • 10:43:09am

re: #32 allegro

So being intelligent, thoughtful, and able to speak in coherent sentences is too high a bar for Republicans. That sounds about right. They live in opposite land. I heard Hannity a couple days ago claim the Democrats will shut down the government over gun control.

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The Vicious Babushka  Oct 14, 2015 • 10:43:43am

Oh look A Idiot in my mentions

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HappyWarrior  Oct 14, 2015 • 10:44:07am

re: #48 The Vicious Babushka

Oh look A Idiot in my mentions

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What a clueless moron.

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The Vicious Babushka  Oct 14, 2015 • 10:44:46am
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HappyWarrior  Oct 14, 2015 • 10:44:50am

re: #47 Jenner7

So being intelligent, thoughtful, and able to speak in coherent sentences is too high a bar for Republicans. That sounds about right. They live in opposite land. I heard Hannity a couple days ago claim the Democrats will shut down the government over gun control.

They haven’t shut down the government over gun control before and they won’t now. I guess cognitive dissonance comes with being a sad pathetic Rush Limbaugh clone who never has any original thoughts.

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Archangelus  Oct 14, 2015 • 10:44:51am

re: #46 sagehen

Huh? What the hell is happening in Cameroon?

Boko Haram.

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Oct 14, 2015 • 10:45:05am

re: #45 Belafon

No reason for that fix: If I go to a restaurant, I choose the best thing from the menu, not the least worst thing.

I choose the restaurants I go to, preferably ones where there are things I really like. In politics, you vote for what is presented, or you move to another country.

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Jenner7  Oct 14, 2015 • 10:45:14am

re: #46 sagehen

nbcnews.com

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Blind Frog Belly White  Oct 14, 2015 • 10:45:24am

re: #48 The Vicious Babushka

Because on 20Jan08, there was no National Debt, and the budget deficit wasn’t projected to be $1.4e12.

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Jay C  Oct 14, 2015 • 10:46:21am

re: #46 sagehen

Huh? What the hell is happening in Cameroon?

Apparently a US “military aid” mission to help them fight off threats from Boko Haram from neighboring Nigeria.

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thecommodore  Oct 14, 2015 • 10:46:41am

re: #3 gwangung

Right wing wouldn’t know socialism if it bit them in the ass.

Right wingers benefit every day from socialism without even realizing it.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 14, 2015 • 10:47:03am

Sad thing is even after Reagan and W Bush, people still believe the GOP is the fiscal conservative party. I’m going to ask the Easter Bunny for some Jameson.

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The Vicious Babushka  Oct 14, 2015 • 10:47:04am

re: #55 Blind Frog Belly White

Because on 20Jan08, there was no National Debt, and the budget deficit wasn’t projected to be $1.4e12.

Because Bush’s 2 wars & tax cuts for the rich didn’t add to the deficit, they were paid for by the War Fairy.

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Mike Lamb  Oct 14, 2015 • 10:48:23am

re: #12 The Vicious Babushka

HEAR IS MOAR STUPIDS==>

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From the fucksticks that call Obama an affirmative action president.

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Bubblehead II  Oct 14, 2015 • 10:48:48am

re: #46 sagehen

Huh? What the hell is happening in Cameroon?

Boko Haram

U.S. Troops to Cameroon in Anti-Boko Haram Fight

The Obama administration says it expects to deploy about 300 U.S. service members to the African nation of Cameroon to help stop the spread of Boko Haram and other violent extremist groups.

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Oct 14, 2015 • 10:49:24am

re: #60 Mike Lamb

From the fucksticks that call Obama an affirmative action president.

And GW Bush got into Princeton based solely on his academic achievements…

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allegro  Oct 14, 2015 • 10:50:00am

Okay, I admit that I just had to look up Camaroon to learn about exactly where it is, a bit of its history, and what is going on there. I love the internet.

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Belafon  Oct 14, 2015 • 10:50:10am

re: #53 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

I choose the restaurants I go to, preferably ones where there are things I really like. In politics, you vote for what is presented, or you move to another country.

Lucky you.

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allegro  Oct 14, 2015 • 10:51:02am

re: #62 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

And GW Bush got into Princeton based solely on his academic achievements…

Princeton is always looking for good cheer leaders. Rah and shit.

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Dr. Matt  Oct 14, 2015 • 10:51:06am

Jan 21, 2009: Conservatives first become “concerned” about debt and deficits.

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allegro  Oct 14, 2015 • 10:52:55am

re: #66 Dr. Matt

Jan 21, 2009: Conservatives first become “concerned” about debt and deficits.

But… but… the Cheney god said deficits don’t matter!

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HappyWarrior  Oct 14, 2015 • 10:54:04am

Let’s play who said it
“Deficits don’t matter.”

A) Bernie Sanders, B) Barack Obama C) DIck Cheney D) Hillary Clinton

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The Vicious Babushka  Oct 14, 2015 • 10:54:11am

re: #66 Dr. Matt

Jan 21, 2009: Conservatives first become “concerned” about debt and deficits.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 14, 2015 • 10:54:14am

re: #67 allegro

But… but… the Cheney god said deficits don’t matter!

Godddamnit!

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Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Oct 14, 2015 • 10:54:53am

re: #48 The Vicious Babushka

Oh look A Idiot in my mentions

18 Trillions upon Trillions!!!!!11 ALl on Food Stamps!!!1

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Great White Snark  Oct 14, 2015 • 10:54:53am

re: #45 Belafon

No reason for that fix: If I go to a restaurant, I choose the best thing from the menu, not the least worst thing.

Trouble is it’s McDonalds and Burger King. In N Out is low in the polling.
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allegro  Oct 14, 2015 • 10:55:51am

re: #70 HappyWarrior

Godddamnit!

Sorry! LOL

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HappyWarrior  Oct 14, 2015 • 10:56:09am

re: #72 Great White Snark

Trouble is it’s McDonalds and Burger King. In N Out is low in the polling.

Well you could argue that In and Out could get itself out there better by not being only west of the Mississippi. And that by no means is a burger rant except it totally is a burger rant.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 14, 2015 • 10:56:23am

re: #73 allegro

Sorry! LOL

Nah not you fault, I blame my slow work computer.

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wrenchwench  Oct 14, 2015 • 10:56:53am

Maybe he’s off to college now.

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Kragar  Oct 14, 2015 • 10:56:53am
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HappyWarrior  Oct 14, 2015 • 10:57:48am

re: #77 Kragar

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But I thought they believed in the 2nd amendment. Really they don’t even hide the fact that they’re racist assholes. But remember folks the GOP was against slavery so they can’t at all be racist in 2015.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 14, 2015 • 10:58:17am

re: #76 wrenchwench

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Maybe he’s off to college now.

He bearly passed chemistry and he wanted to know why he didn’t get a better grade.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Oct 14, 2015 • 10:58:19am

re: #74 HappyWarrior

Well you could argue that In and Out could get itself out there better by not being only west of the Mississippi. And that by no means is a burger rant except it totally is a burger rant.

What I want is the burgers from In-N-Out, with the fries from Five Guys, and the milkshakes from Jack’s Prime (local joint), all for the price of MacDonalds.

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Belafon  Oct 14, 2015 • 10:58:39am

re: #78 HappyWarrior

But I thought they believed in the 2nd amendment. Really they don’t even hide the fact that they’re racist assholes. But remember folks the GOP was against slavery so they can’t at all be racist in 2015.

They do. They’re ready to get back to the days when they can use their guns to put down the slave revolts.

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sagehen  Oct 14, 2015 • 10:59:12am

re: #76 wrenchwench

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Maybe he’s off to college now.

This is why teachers should be armed!

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HappyWarrior  Oct 14, 2015 • 10:59:28am

re: #80 Blind Frog Belly White

What I want is the burgers from In-N-Out, with the fries from Five Guys, and the milkshakes from Jack’s Prime (local joint), all for the price of MacDonalds.

Tis true,, I do have the Five Guys fries. I actually though to tell the truth probably preer their burgers to In and Out too.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 14, 2015 • 10:59:54am

re: #81 Belafon

They do. They’re ready to get back to the days when they can use their guns to put down the slave revolts.

I know.

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The Vicious Babushka  Oct 14, 2015 • 11:01:42am

HURR HURR DANA NOES GUNZ TEH MOAST!!!!!!
Notice how Dana provides no link to the “debunking”

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sizzzzlerz  Oct 14, 2015 • 11:01:50am

re: #81 Belafon

They do. They’re ready to get back to the days when they can use their guns to put down the slave revolts.

Or just shoot some N<clang>s for the hell of it.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 14, 2015 • 11:02:21am

re: #85 The Vicious Babushka

HURR HURR DANA NOES GUNZ TEH MOAST!!!!!!
Notice how Dana provides no link to the “debunking”

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I think she actively trolls Twitter for anything that criticizes her poor wittle guns.

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Targetpractice  Oct 14, 2015 • 11:03:11am

Another theme I’m seeing commonly amongst the pundit class (with one or two exceptions) is that the big loser of last night was the guy who didn’t bother to show, namely Joe Biden. All the hopes and dreams of a Biden candidacy seemed to whither and die as Hillary showed she was comfortable in her skin and put at ease a lot of the worries that she couldn’t handle the challenge from Bernie. I like the VP as much as the next guy, but I think it’s time for him to end the suspense and announce he’s not running.

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Targetpractice  Oct 14, 2015 • 11:03:50am

re: #85 The Vicious Babushka

HURR HURR DANA NOES GUNZ TEH MOAST!!!!!!
Notice how Dana provides no link to the “debunking”

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Or a link to any study that shows armed women are safer.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 14, 2015 • 11:04:40am

re: #88 Targetpractice

Another theme I’m seeing commonly amongst the pundit class (with one or two exceptions) is that the big loser of last night was the guy who didn’t bother to show, namely Joe Biden. All the hopes and dreams of a Biden candidacy seemed to whither and die as Hillary showed she was comfortable in her skin and put at ease a lot of the worries that she couldn’t handle the challenge from Bernie. I like the VP as much as the next guy, but I think it’s time for him to end the suspense and announce he’s not running.

Yeah I think Joe needs to end the suspense.

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Kragar  Oct 14, 2015 • 11:04:57am

re: #85 The Vicious Babushka

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Kragar  Oct 14, 2015 • 11:05:45am

re: #85 The Vicious Babushka

HURR HURR DANA NOES GUNZ TEH MOAST!!!!!!
Notice how Dana provides no link to the “debunking”

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The group who claims the study was debunked: The NRA.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 14, 2015 • 11:06:10am

re: #92 Kragar

The group who claims the study was debunked: The NRA.

We all know how impartial they are. //

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Barefoot Grin  Oct 14, 2015 • 11:06:49am

re: #62 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

And GW Bush got into Princeton based solely on his academic achievements…

I thought he was a Yalie. Anyhoo…. legacy principles apply in both places.

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Lidane  Oct 14, 2015 • 11:07:06am

I’m seeing a lot of concern trolling on the right today about how IF ONLY TEH DEMZ WUD NOMINATE JIM WEBB, I’D TOTES VOTE 4 HIM! which makes me laugh.

Jim Webb would be firmly in Gilmore territory if he ran in the GOP.

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wrenchwench  Oct 14, 2015 • 11:07:30am

re: #77 Kragar

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Former Treasurer of the Republican National Committee.

This is from 5 years ago:

[…]

Could this signal an attempt by moderate Republicans to swing the party away from the insane, Mexican-bashing nativism that has thoroughly infected it over the past several years? Pullen was always a hard-right ideologue, committed to the concept of “attrition through enforcement,” the nativist buzzphrase for a not-so-subtle version of ethnic cleansing.

Last year, Pullen beat out GOP moderate Lisa James for the party chairmanship. James was backed by almost all of the top elected party leadership. But the base of the Republican Party is mostly white and, sadly, rabidly anti-immigrant. Pullen smeared James as being “pro-amnesty,” and with that smear, effectively secured his ultimate win.

[…]

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Blind Frog Belly White  Oct 14, 2015 • 11:08:23am

re: #93 HappyWarrior

We all know how impartial they are. //

Impartial? How about HONEST? We know they aren’t honest.

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Kragar  Oct 14, 2015 • 11:08:58am
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Targetpractice  Oct 14, 2015 • 11:09:06am

re: #95 Lidane

I’m seeing a lot of concern trolling on the right today about how IF ONLY TEH DEMZ WUD NOMINATE JIM WEBB, I’D TOTES VOTE 4 HIM! which makes me laugh.

Jim Webb would be firmly in Gilmore territory if he ran in the GOP.

Webb is one of those “Reagan Democrats” that Cruz talks about being vital to the success of his campaign, those clueless bastards who mark one of the saddest days of their lives as the day Gorbachev announced that the USSR was kaput.

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Charles Johnson  Oct 14, 2015 • 11:10:08am
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Targetpractice  Oct 14, 2015 • 11:10:17am

re: #99 Kragar

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As Sanders noted last weekend, the GOP’s always against “more free stuff,” but there’s always money for more wars.

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The Vicious Babushka  Oct 14, 2015 • 11:10:26am

re: #97 Charles Johnson

A great moment:

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So he’s as dense as a counter top?

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Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Oct 14, 2015 • 11:11:47am

re: #85 The Vicious Babushka

HURR HURR DANA NOES GUNZ TEH MOAST!!!!!!
Notice how Dana provides no link to the “debunking”

DEBUNKED!!!!!

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HappyWarrior  Oct 14, 2015 • 11:12:00am

re: #94 Barefoot Grin

I thought he was a Yalie. Anyhoo…. legacy principles apply in both places.

He was.

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Charles Johnson  Oct 14, 2015 • 11:12:19am
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Blind Frog Belly White  Oct 14, 2015 • 11:13:08am

re: #97 Charles Johnson

I didn’t see the debate, but I did see highlights, including Chaffee’s astonishing bobbling of the Glass-Steagall question. Oh, my god! It’s simple enough to answer that the repeal was a hugely popular bill with bipartisan support that turned out to be a terrible idea. You say “We believed that the banks could be trusted not to put themselves in the same situation they did in 1929. We were wrong. They can’t. That’s why we need to reinstitute Glass-Steagall”.

But, “I just got there! My Dad died! The dog ate my homework”? Talk about a single answer destroying a candidacy!

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Dr. Matt  Oct 14, 2015 • 11:13:18am

Missouri dumbass tries to put out garbage fire with van — loaded with guns, ammo and gasoline

Has Dana started a GoFundMe to pay for the funeral arrangements for the firearms?

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HappyWarrior  Oct 14, 2015 • 11:14:05am

re: #99 Kragar

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I am glad the GOP candidates see things like better education, health care, etc as “goodies.” Rolling my fucking eyes. HOow many of you Republicons benefitted or sitll do from the same programs you want to dismantle?

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jaunte  Oct 14, 2015 • 11:15:56am

Republicans worried about Hillary, focus on her “evil” laugh.

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The Vicious Babushka  Oct 14, 2015 • 11:16:26am

re: #109 HappyWarrior

I am glad the GOP candidates see things like better education, health care, etc as “goodies.” Rolling my fucking eyes. HOow many of you Republicons benefitted or sitll do from the same programs you want to dismantle?

All of them, but IGMFY

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HappyWarrior  Oct 14, 2015 • 11:16:36am

re: #102 Targetpractice

As Sanders noted last weekend, the GOP’s always against “more free stuff,” but there’s always money for more wars.

It’s absolutely true. WE don’t have enough money for better schools, etc but do for more wars.

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lawhawk  Oct 14, 2015 • 11:16:44am

re: #48 The Vicious Babushka

Yeah, maths is hard.

Table of annual deficit (see Table 1) by year, which shows that it’s nowhere near $18 trillion for Obama.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 14, 2015 • 11:17:41am

re: #111 The Vicious Babushka

All of them, but IGMFY

Really that may be what I hate about Republicans the most. They benefited from the same programs they want to deny to others.

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Targetpractice  Oct 14, 2015 • 11:17:44am

re: #110 jaunte

Republicans worried about Hillary, focus on her “evil” laugh.

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Fuck me, the same shit from ‘08, getting “experts” in to count the number of times then-Candidate Obama said “I,” “me” or “mine” so as to push him as narcissistic.

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Great White Snark  Oct 14, 2015 • 11:18:09am

re: #83 HappyWarrior

Tis true,, I do have the Five Guys fries. I actually though to tell the truth probably preer their burgers to In and Out too.

Okay now very glad lunch is only about an hour away. Well that’s the first campaign debate that ever encouraged rather than ruined my appetite for some time now.

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Barefoot Grin  Oct 14, 2015 • 11:18:28am

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Eclectic Cyborg  Oct 14, 2015 • 11:19:36am

re: #110 jaunte

Republicans worried about Hillary, focus on her “evil” laugh.

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Everyone knows Republicans have the best evil laughs:

Sideshow Bob’s Laugh

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Kragar  Oct 14, 2015 • 11:21:52am

re: #118 Eclectic Cyborg

The Muppets - Maniacal Laugh

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Lidane  Oct 14, 2015 • 11:21:53am

In-N-Out fries are terrible. The burgers are okay, but overrated. Shake Shack > In-N-Out all day, every day.

OTOH, I’ll cut anyone who gets between me and an order of Five Guys Cajun style fries. Those are delicious.

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Dr. Matt  Oct 14, 2015 • 11:21:57am

re: #110 jaunte

Republicans worried about Hillary, focus on her “evil” laugh.

Has anyone seen Ben Carson laugh….let alone smile? Creepy ass shit there.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 14, 2015 • 11:22:45am

re: #115 Targetpractice

Fuck me, the same shit from ‘08, getting “experts” in to count the number of times then-Candidate Obama said “I,” “me” or “mine” so as to push him as narcissistic.

Obama is a narcissist, here’s our candidate Buddhist Monk Donald Trump.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 14, 2015 • 11:23:10am

re: #118 Eclectic Cyborg

Everyone knows Republicans have the best evil laughs:

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Kelsey Grammer I don’t think was acting there.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Oct 14, 2015 • 11:23:49am

I wonder if Bernie would run third party if Hillary got the nomination?

My concern is that if Hilary gets it, enough anti-Clinton democrats (and we saw they exist during the PUMA mess eight years ago) may not bother to vote at all, potentially opening the door to a GOP victory.

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Barefoot Grin  Oct 14, 2015 • 11:23:52am

Oops

Try again:

Link

Christ, I can’t get the hang of this. I’ve only done one other posting site with different ways. Just when you get the hang of something….

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wrenchwench  Oct 14, 2015 • 11:23:55am

Cerdo=pig.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 14, 2015 • 11:24:12am

re: #116 Great White Snark

Okay now very glad lunch is only about an hour away. Well that’s the first campaign debate that ever encouraged rather than ruined my appetite for some time now.

Too late for me. 2:20 here. I just had to rib on you West coasters for keeping I&O to yourselves though heh.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Oct 14, 2015 • 11:24:29am

re: #123 HappyWarrior

Kelsey Grammer I don’t think was acting there.

LOL, he may not have been. The show did specifically say Sideshow Bob was GOP.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Oct 14, 2015 • 11:25:09am

re: #126 wrenchwench

I wonder if we tagged Trump in that tweet and told him the translation is “Join the Resistance!”, if he’d retweet it?

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Blind Frog Belly White  Oct 14, 2015 • 11:25:17am

re: #113 lawhawk

Yeah, but you know, the financial crisis was caused because Barney Frank and Chris Dodd forced Fanny and Freddie to give mortgages to THOSE PEOPLE, even though both were in the minority in their respective chambers, and the Republicans were too nice to do anything about it. Then, when businesses and consumers had to cut back on spending, the Government should have cut back, too, because when there’s a recession driven by lack of demand, nothing fixes it like cutting demand still further, plus all those people who suddenly found themselves out of a job in a house they could no longer afford should have chosen to be born rich. And if only we’d cut taxes even more, we’d have had enough money to pay for all of it!

Yeah, that makes sense.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 14, 2015 • 11:25:20am

re: #124 Eclectic Cyborg

I wonder if Bernie would run third party if Hillary got the nomination?

My concern is that if Hilary gets it, enough anti-Clinton democrats (and we saw they exist during the PUMA mess eight years ago) may not bother to vote at all, potentially opening the door to a GOP victory.

I don’t think so. Bernie’s a lefty but he’s also not a douche who doesn’t see the big picture. He never supported Nader for instance. I think if Bernie does well, he understandably will try to get parts of his agenda added to the platform though.

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Targetpractice  Oct 14, 2015 • 11:25:22am

re: #126 wrenchwench

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Cerdo=pig.

“Racist pig.” Come on now, that’s insulting…to pigs.

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jaunte  Oct 14, 2015 • 11:25:45am

re: #126 wrenchwench

twitter.com

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The Vicious Babushka  Oct 14, 2015 • 11:26:41am

re: #130 Blind Frog Belly White

Yeah, but you know, the financial crisis was caused because Barney Frank and Chris Dodd forced Fanny and Freddie to give mortgages to THOSE PEOPLE, even though both were in the minority in their respective chambers, and the Republicans were too nice to do anything about it. Then, when businesses and consumers had to cut back on spending, the Government should have cut back, too, because when there’s a recession driven by lack of demand, nothing fixes it like cutting demand still further, plus all those people who suddenly found themselves out of a job in a house they could no longer afford should have chosen to be born rich. And if only we’d cut taxes even more, we’d have had enough money to pay for all of it!

Yeah, that makes sense.

Poor people caused the housing crash
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jaunte  Oct 14, 2015 • 11:26:46am

azulstyle.mx

200 pesos: about $12.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Oct 14, 2015 • 11:26:50am

re: #133 jaunte

twitter.com

The Ghostbusters thong one ruins my childhood. :P

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HappyWarrior  Oct 14, 2015 • 11:27:03am

re: #128 Eclectic Cyborg

LOL, he may not have been. The show did specifically say Sideshow Bob was GOP.

That’s one of my favorite Simpsons episodes and man do I have a lot of them ever. So many great lines.
imdb.com

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Higgs Boson's Mate  Oct 14, 2015 • 11:28:13am

re: #124 Eclectic Cyborg

I wonder if Bernie would run third party if Hillary got the nomination?

My concern is that if Hilary gets it, enough anti-Clinton democrats (and we saw they exist during the PUMA mess eight years ago) may not bother to vote at all, potentially opening the door to a GOP victory.

PUMA was pro-Clinton.

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wrenchwench  Oct 14, 2015 • 11:28:44am

re: #133 jaunte

twitter.com

Looks like they still have some pay phones in Mexico!

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Eclectic Cyborg  Oct 14, 2015 • 11:29:01am

re: #138 Higgs Boson’s Mate

PUMA was pro-Clinton.

I was referring to the Clinton/Obama factions that got going during the primaries.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 14, 2015 • 11:30:49am

I don’t think PUMA was ever a real threat. I wold also hope Sanders gets his supporters to see the big picture.

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The Vicious Babushka  Oct 14, 2015 • 11:31:51am

I don’t think Sanders will go for a 3rd party run.

If Trump doesn’t get the GOP nom, he almost certainly will.

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wrenchwench  Oct 14, 2015 • 11:33:04am

re: #142 The Vicious Babushka

I don’t think Sanders will go for a 3rd party run.

If Trump doesn’t get the GOP nom, he almost certainly will.

I hope you’re right.

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Higgs Boson's Mate  Oct 14, 2015 • 11:33:15am

re: #141 HappyWarrior

I don’t think PUMA was ever a real threat. I wold also hope Sanders gets his supporters to see the big picture.

And give up, now?

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Blind Frog Belly White  Oct 14, 2015 • 11:35:33am

re: #134 The Vicious Babushka

I’ve had wingnuts tell me, with a straight face, that the investment banks only crated all those toxic assets because they HAD TO, because Dodd and Frank FORCED THEM to buy up subprime mortgages.

When I asked how they managed to do that while in the minority in both Houses of Congress, they invariably post a link to some video.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 14, 2015 • 11:36:53am

re: #144 Higgs Boson’s Mate

And give up, now?

I don’t think he should give up.

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The Vicious Babushka  Oct 14, 2015 • 11:37:41am

re: #145 Blind Frog Belly White

I’ve had wingnuts tell me, with a straight face, that the investment banks only crated all those toxic assets because they HAD TO, because Dodd and Frank FORCED THEM to buy up subprime mortgages.

When I asked how they managed to do that while in the minority in both Houses of Congress, they invariably post a link to some video.

HURR HURR AL SHARPTIP MADE THEM SELL HOUSES TO TEH BLAHS SO THE BANKS DIDN’T WANTS TO BE CALLED TEH RACIST B/C IT IS TEH HOLOCAUST WHEN SOMEBODYS CALLS U TEH RACISSST!!!!!!

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jaunte  Oct 14, 2015 • 11:38:01am
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HappyWarrior  Oct 14, 2015 • 11:38:34am

I do think three’s far greater chance that Trump goes Indy than Sanders.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 14, 2015 • 11:38:58am

re: #148 jaunte

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Not gonna elick but I bet it’s even more stupi than beofre.

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Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Oct 14, 2015 • 11:39:35am

re: #145 Blind Frog Belly White

I’ve had wingnuts tell me, with a straight face, that the investment banks only crated all those toxic assets because they HAD TO, because Dodd and Frank FORCED THEM to buy up subprime mortgages.

When I asked how they managed to do that while in the minority in both Houses of Congress, they invariably post a link to some video.

Isn’t Dodd/Frank the new law passed after the housing bubble crisis which among other things created the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau, which RWNJ hate?

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allegro  Oct 14, 2015 • 11:39:54am

re: #144 Higgs Boson’s Mate

And give up, now?

I believe that Sanders is passionate about the country’s well-being and getting his message out, using his candidacy to frame the issues and sway the debate. I don’t see him in the race for his ego to be willing to trash what he believes in by splitting the left.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 14, 2015 • 11:40:16am

re: #145 Blind Frog Belly White

I’ve had wingnuts tell me, with a straight face, that the investment banks only crated all those toxic assets because they HAD TO, because Dodd and Frank FORCED THEM to buy up subprime mortgages.

When I asked how they managed to do that while in the minority in both Houses of Congress, they invariably post a link to some video.

Well we are talkng about people who blame TIp O’Neill for “tricking” Reagan.

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jaunte  Oct 14, 2015 • 11:40:22am

re: #150 HappyWarrior

He’s exploring the same old slippery slope arguments as if they were new thoughts.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Oct 14, 2015 • 11:40:39am

re: #146 HappyWarrior

I don’t think he should give up.

Bernie can best help the Dems, including Hillary, by staying in, staying positive, and continuing to make the Progressive case. And when the Primary results don’t go his way, by graciously accepting defeat and campaigning vigorously for Hillary.

WRT the ‘Bernie or I stay home!’ crowd, I dunno. To coin a phrase, you can’t fix stupid.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Oct 14, 2015 • 11:41:15am

re: #151 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse

Yeah. Funny about that.

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Aunty Entity Dragon  Oct 14, 2015 • 11:41:18am

re: #97 Charles Johnson

A great moment:

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HappyWarrior  Oct 14, 2015 • 11:41:23am

re: #155 Blind Frog Belly White

Bernie can best help the Dems, including Hillary, by staying in, staying positive, and continuing to make the Progressive case. And when the Primary results don’t go his way, by graciously accepting defeat and campaigning vigorously for Hillary.

WRT the ‘Bernie or I stay home!’ crowd, I dunno. To coin a phrase, you can’t fix stupid.

My toughts exactly on the matter.

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The Vicious Babushka  Oct 14, 2015 • 11:42:20am

Ben Shapiro looks in a mirror and then describes what he sees as “Bernie Sanders”

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HappyWarrior  Oct 14, 2015 • 11:42:56am

re: #154 jaunte

He’s exploring the same old slippery slope arguments as if they were new thoughts.

Original.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 14, 2015 • 11:44:33am

re: #159 The Vicious Babushka

Ben Shapiro looks in a mirror and then describes what he sees as “Bernie Sanders”

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Disastrous human being? Are you sure you’re not talking about yourself Ben and if he’s such a terrible candidate, you should be rooting for him not trashing him. Maybe you’re afraid that his ideas may actually resonate with people and your own ideology will be seen as the sham it is.

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Jenner7  Oct 14, 2015 • 11:44:44am

I only saw Chafee speak for a minute, but he was uncomfortable to watch. He seems like a nice guy, but definitely not Presidential.

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Targetpractice  Oct 14, 2015 • 11:44:49am

re: #155 Blind Frog Belly White

Bernie can best help the Dems, including Hillary, by staying in, staying positive, and continuing to make the Progressive case. And when the Primary results don’t go his way, by graciously accepting defeat and campaigning vigorously for Hillary.

WRT the ‘Bernie or I stay home!’ crowd, I dunno. To coin a phrase, you can’t fix stupid.

The “Bernie or Nothing” crowd need to be called what they are: Childish assholes. Part of the reason they hold off on letting you vote until your 18 is that, but that point, it’s hoped most of your juvenile impulses will have begun to ebb and you can make a rational decision. So if you’re 18 or older and your response to not getting your way is to take your ball and go home, then you are not only an asshole, but you’re also effectively voting for a Republican presidency.

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Charles Johnson  Oct 14, 2015 • 11:45:05am

re: #159 The Vicious Babushka

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piratedan  Oct 14, 2015 • 11:45:40am

re: #155 Blind Frog Belly White

He’s a one-man Overton window mover.

Without him in the race, would issues like economic inequality, student debt, economic opportunity even be on the map as issues or would we see non-stop HRC bashing and scandalrama from the MSM? He forces the conversation into issues instead of character debates and overall, that’s a good thing for Dems because the GOP, when it does talk about issues, show themselves to be completely consumed by fear and prejudice.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Oct 14, 2015 • 11:46:28am

re: #163 Targetpractice

The “Bernie or Nothing” crowd need to be called what they are: Childish assholes. Part of the reason they hold off on letting you vote until your 18 is that, but that point, it’s hoped most of your juvenile impulses will have begun to ebb and you can make a rational decision. So if you’re 18 or older and your response to not getting your way is to take your ball and go home, then you are not only an asshole, but you’re also effectively voting for a Republican presidency.

I don’t think a lot of them get that and instead feel that they are “taking a stand” by staying home. My understanding is millenials tend to sway more for Sanders than Clinton.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 14, 2015 • 11:46:28am

re: #163 Targetpractice

The “Bernie or Nothing” crowd need to be called what they are: Childish assholes. Part of the reason they hold off on letting you vote until your 18 is that, but that point, it’s hoped most of your juvenile impulses will have begun to ebb and you can make a rational decision. So if you’re 18 or older and your response to not getting your way is to take your ball and go home, then you are not only an asshole, but you’re also effectively voting for a Republican presidency.

You know though, I had a conversation with my 14 year old brother who’s finally getting interested in politics. He’s a Bernie guy but he said flat out when I told him about the debate being on “Well I hope Bernie does good but I hope Clinton does good too because she’s very likely gonna be the nominee.” I thought that was a good attitude to have. Some of the older Bernie supporters could learn something from that. I know not all kids are like that but I am glad the kid has a pragmatic attitude.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 14, 2015 • 11:47:25am

re: #166 Eclectic Cyborg

I don’t think a lot of them get that and instead feel that they are “taking a stand” by staying home. My understanding is millenials tend to sway more for Sanders than Clinton.

We’ll cross that bridge when we come to it. It’s a legitimate fear though specially with the college kid Sanders supporters who won’t remember what happened in 2000 and 2004 that well.

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It's on his hat!  Oct 14, 2015 • 11:47:45am

re: #163 Targetpractice

The “Bernie or Nothing” crowd need to be called what they are: Childish assholes. Part of the reason they hold off on letting you vote until your 18 is that, but that point, it’s hoped most of your juvenile impulses will have begun to ebb and you can make a rational decision. So if you’re 18 or older and your response to not getting your way is to take your ball and go home, then you are not only an asshole, but you’re also effectively voting for a Republican presidency.

Hopefully, asking the Bernie-or-stay-home crowd what SCOTUS will look like with a GOP President and Congress in power will be enough to convince them to get out and vote.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 14, 2015 • 11:48:28am

Sanders being in the race is a good thing because the party’s left wing does need to have its issues discussed. That’s why even though I don’t like Webb at all did not mind him being there even though Sanders has more creds than Webb eer will.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Oct 14, 2015 • 11:49:09am

re: #165 piratedan

He’s a one-man Overton window mover.

Without him in the race, would issues like economic inequality, student debt, economic opportunity even be on the map as issues or would we see non-stop HRC bashing and scandalrama from the MSM? He forces the conversation into issues instead of character debates and overall, that’s a good thing for Dems because the GOP, when it does talk about issues, show themselves to be completely consumed by fear and prejudice.

The other thing he does is keep Hillary sharp. Remember how awkward and unpracticed Obama was in the first 2012 debate? He’d had no competition since 2008, hadn’t had to hone his skills, lost his edge. Mitt Romney made him look bad - Mitt Fucking Romney!

Luckily, he got right back in the groove by the second debate, and Mitt Romney was still Mitt Romney.

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The Vicious Babushka  Oct 14, 2015 • 11:49:10am

re: #163 Targetpractice

The “Bernie or Nothing” crowd need to be called what they are: Childish assholes. Part of the reason they hold off on letting you vote until your 18 is that, but that point, it’s hoped most of your juvenile impulses will have begun to ebb and you can make a rational decision. So if you’re 18 or older and your response to not getting your way is to take your ball and go home, then you are not only an asshole, but you’re also effectively voting for a Republican presidency.

How many PUMAs stayed home and did not vote for Obama? Not enough to make him lose.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 14, 2015 • 11:49:17am

re: #169 It’s on his hat!

Hopefully, asking the Bernie-or-stay-home crowd what SCOTUS will look like with a GOP President and Congress in power will be enough to convince them to get out and vote.

You’d have to hope they learned after 2000. It’s a fair concern but I think the older Bernie people will get it even though I don’t expect them to be happy but then again, I did think mad Hillary supporters would be a real issue in 2008.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Oct 14, 2015 • 11:49:23am

re: #169 It’s on his hat!

Hopefully, asking the Bernie-or-stay-home crowd what SCOTUS will look like with a GOP President and Congress in power will be enough to convince them to get out and vote.

See I think there are some democratic leaning voters who think the GOP are so insane they won’t possibly win the White House. Therefore it doesn’t matter what happens in the Democratic primaries because it’s expected a Dem will win the WH by default.

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Dr. Matt  Oct 14, 2015 • 11:49:43am

re: #30 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

I respect him as a surgeon, but nothing else.

Report: Ben Carcon Left Sponge In Patient’s Brain

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jaunte  Oct 14, 2015 • 11:50:11am

re: #166 Eclectic Cyborg

I don’t think a lot of them get that and instead feel that they are “taking a stand” by staying home.

I hope all of them will understand by election time that staying home could mean abandoning the Supreme Court to conservatives for a generation.

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Targetpractice  Oct 14, 2015 • 11:50:32am

re: #166 Eclectic Cyborg

I don’t think a lot of them get that and instead feel that they are “taking a stand” by staying home. My understanding is millenials tend to sway more for Sanders than Clinton.

Well I’m a millenial, and I’m too mature to think that “taking a stand” does anything more than help the guy who’d crawl on his belly over hot coals and broken glass to vote against a Democrat. This “taking a stand” bullshit is the reason why we got Dubya not once, but twice.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Oct 14, 2015 • 11:50:39am

re: #172 The Vicious Babushka

How many PUMAs stayed home and did not vote for Obama? Not enough to make him lose.

True but Obama had a youth and charisma about him that appealed to young voters. Also his particular ethnicity helped bring out the black vote. I wouldn’t be surprised to see a lower percentage of blacks voting next year than voted in 2008 or 2012.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 14, 2015 • 11:50:48am

re: #171 Blind Frog Belly White

The other thing he does is keep Hillary sharp. Remember how awkward and unpracticed Obama was in the first 2012 debate? He’d had no competition since 2008, hadn’t had to hone his skills, lost his edge. Mitt Romney made him look bad - Mitt Fucking Romney!

Luckily, he got right back in the groove by the second debate, and Mitt Romney was still Mitt Romney.

To be fair, Romney “won” that fist debate by completing reverting back to the Romneybot 2.0 that ran for governor of Massachusetts in 2002. This was not the Romneybot 4.0 or even the 3.0 that ran against McCain and Huckabee in 2008. I can see why Obama was uprepared for that.

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Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Oct 14, 2015 • 11:51:39am

re: #151 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse

Isn’t Dodd/Frank the new law passed after the housing bubble crisis which among other things created the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau, which RWNJ hate?

Yes, Dodd-Frank was passed in 2010.

en.wikipedia.org

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HappyWarrior  Oct 14, 2015 • 11:52:08am

re: #178 Eclectic Cyborg

True but Obama had a youth and charisma about him that appealed to young voters. Also his particular ethnicity helped bring out the black vote. I wouldn’t be surprised to see a lower percentage of blacks voting next year than voted in 2008 or 2012.

Well you’ll also have a lot of women enthusiastic about the first woman as well. I think a lot of people down on Hillary understate that. My mother and grandmother are really excited about the possibility of the first woman president.

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It's on his hat!  Oct 14, 2015 • 11:52:13am

re: #168 HappyWarrior

We’ll cross that bridge when we come to it. It’s a legitimate fear though specially with the college kid Sanders supporters who won’t remember what happened in 2000 and 2004 that well.

Some first-time voters in 2016 are young enough to have been in diapers during the Bush v. Gore mess. Crazy.

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EPR-radar  Oct 14, 2015 • 11:52:47am

re: #179 HappyWarrior

To be fair, Romney “won” that fist debate by completing reverting back to the Romneybot 2.0 that ran for governor of Massachusetts in 2002. This was not the Romneybot 4.0 or even the 3.0 that ran against McCain and Huckabee in 2008. I can see why Obama was uprepared for that.

Romney’s first debate in the 2012 campaign was one hell of a Gish Gallop.

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Kragar  Oct 14, 2015 • 11:53:31am
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HappyWarrior  Oct 14, 2015 • 11:54:14am

re: #182 It’s on his hat!

Some first-time voters in 2016 are young enough to have been in diapers during the Bush v. Gore mess. Crazy.

Don’t make me feel old like that. I’m going to be eligible to run for president in 8 years.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 14, 2015 • 11:54:56am

re: #183 EPR-radar

Romney’s first debate in the 2012 campaign was one hell of a Gish Gallop.

It really was something wasn’t it?

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Targetpractice  Oct 14, 2015 • 11:55:18am

re: #182 It’s on his hat!

Some first-time voters in 2016 are young enough to have been in diapers during the Bush v. Gore mess. Crazy.

My first election was ‘04, and I took pride in voting for Bush’s reelection. Then I voted for McCain in ‘08.

By the way, have I mentioned recently how dumb I was from about 2001 to 2010?

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It's on his hat!  Oct 14, 2015 • 11:55:23am

re: #185 HappyWarrior

Don’t make me feel old like that. I’m going to be eligible to run for president in 8 years.

Hah! I crossed that threshold myself a couple years ago.

I just did the math and realized my kids will cast their first votes for President in 2024 and 2028. Gaaaaaaaaaah.

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FormerDirtDart  Oct 14, 2015 • 11:55:25am

@JasonVillalba Texan. Husband. Papa. Republican. Representative for Texas House District 114

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jaunte  Oct 14, 2015 • 11:55:50am
“The GOP finds itself trapped in a marriage that has not only gone bad but is coming apart in full public view.”
………
“…A Republican lobbyist of my acquaintance whose corporate client has been caught in the middle of the political disturbances shared a provocative insight. “I finally figured it out,” he told me. “Obama created the Tea Party.” I laughed at first, but he explained what he meant. “We told people that Obama was a dangerous socialist who was going to wreck America and he had to be stopped, when really we knew he was a moderate Democrat, not all that radical,” the lobbyist said. “But they believed us.”

Why Today’s GOP Crackup Is the Final Unraveling of Nixon’s ‘Southern Strategy

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HappyWarrior  Oct 14, 2015 • 11:56:22am

re: #188 It’s on his hat!

Hah! I crossed that threshold myself a couple years ago.

I just did the math and realized my kids will cast their first votes for President in 2024 and 2028. Gaaaaaaaaaah.

I’ve been eligible to run for Congress for a few years now. No national officials yet who are younger than me but I am sure they’re coming. Well of course, they’re coming but I mean they’ll be here before we know it.

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Higgs Boson's Mate  Oct 14, 2015 • 11:56:36am

re: #152 allegro

I believe that Sanders is passionate about the country’s well-being and getting his message out, using his candidacy to frame the issues and sway the debate. I don’t see him in the race for his ego to be willing to trash what he believes in by splitting the left.

Same here. I ask myself, though, why a Senator from one of the smallest states in the Union, an unrepentant socialist who is lukewarm on gun control, and who has never so much as delivered a speech at the national convention, is able to pose such a strong challenge to Clinton.

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Amory Blaine  Oct 14, 2015 • 11:56:40am

re: #184 Kragar

Is Jesus in it?
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HappyWarrior  Oct 14, 2015 • 11:57:28am

re: #189 FormerDirtDart

@JasonVillalba Texan. Husband. Papa. Republican. Representative for Texas House District 114

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And ignorant of the fact that Sanders is the only descendant of Holocaust victims running for president in either party. What an asshole and completely ignorant of who the Nazis actually targeted.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Oct 14, 2015 • 11:58:16am

re: #179 HappyWarrior

To be fair, Romney “won” that fist debate by completing reverting back to the Romneybot 2.0 that ran for governor of Massachusetts in 2002. This was not the Romneybot 4.0 or even the 3.0 that ran against McCain and Huckabee in 2008. I can see why Obama was uprepared for that.

That wasn’t the problem. Obama was just plain unprepared. He caught a lot of shit from his advisers for his lack of preparation, and he graciously took it, and got serious in prepping for the next one.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Oct 14, 2015 • 11:58:17am

re: #185 HappyWarrior

Don’t make me feel old like that. I’m going to be eligible to run for president in 8 years.

I’ll be eligible NEXT YEAR.

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Targetpractice  Oct 14, 2015 • 11:58:30am

re: #189 FormerDirtDart

@JasonVillalba Texan. Husband. Papa. Republican. Representative for Texas House District 114

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Not said: The Modern GOP would consider Ike, Nixon, and even St. Ron to be “socialists” today. In fact, they consider anybody to the left of Attila the Hun to be a “socialist.”

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HappyWarrior  Oct 14, 2015 • 11:58:59am

re: #192 Higgs Boson’s Mate

Same here. I ask myself, though, why a Senator from one of the smallest states in the Union, an unrepentant socialist who is lukewarm on gun control, and who has never so much as delivered a speech at the national convention, is able to pose such a strong challenge to Clinton.

I think the party’s left has long wanted someone like this. There really hasn’t been a truly lefty Senator or Governor that has ran for president in a while. Despite what people thought, Sanders’ fellow Vermont(er, ian, don’t know what it’s called), anyhow Howard Dean was never a radical and in fact, I’d say he was to Kerry’s right, it just got confusing since Dean was brash and against the IRaq War.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 14, 2015 • 11:59:16am

re: #195 Blind Frog Belly White

That wasn’t the problem. Obama was just plain unprepared. He caught a lot of shit from his advisers for his lack of preparation, and he graciously took it, and got serious in prepping for the next one.

True fair enough.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 14, 2015 • 11:59:47am

re: #196 Eclectic Cyborg

I’ll be eligible NEXT YEAR.

That’s right. Next year someone born in the 80’s can run for president.

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The Vicious Babushka  Oct 14, 2015 • 12:00:26pm

re: #189 FormerDirtDart

@JasonVillalba Texan. Husband. Papa. Republican. Representative for Texas House District 114

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It's on his hat!  Oct 14, 2015 • 12:00:44pm

re: #200 HappyWarrior

That’s right. Next year someone born in the 80’s can run for president.

Perhaps my kids will be voting for Chelsea in 2024…

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HappyWarrior  Oct 14, 2015 • 12:00:58pm

re: #187 Targetpractice

My first election was ‘04, and I took pride in voting for Bush’s reelection. Then I voted for McCain in ‘08.

By the way, have I mentioned recently how dumb I was from about 2001 to 2010?

You learned look at it that way. You’re not like Ben Shapiro or CHucky Johnson.

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Belafon  Oct 14, 2015 • 12:01:12pm

re: #124 Eclectic Cyborg

I wonder if Bernie would run third party if Hillary got the nomination?

My concern is that if Hilary gets it, enough anti-Clinton democrats (and we saw they exist during the PUMA mess eight years ago) may not bother to vote at all, potentially opening the door to a GOP victory.

No, he won’t. And the number of pro-Sanders people that will not vote will have as much of an impact as the PUMAs did in 2008.

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Amory Blaine  Oct 14, 2015 • 12:01:14pm

Bernie Sanders and Hillary Clinton could propose yoooge tax cuts for corporations and still be labeled Marxist.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Oct 14, 2015 • 12:01:21pm

So has Joe Biden finally decided NOT to run or what?

I know he potentially could have been at that debate last night but wasn’t.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 14, 2015 • 12:01:40pm

re: #201 The Vicious Babushka

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Socialist Party literally. And the Communists too. The famous poem talks about the NAzis goign after the socialits and trade unionists. too.

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jaunte  Oct 14, 2015 • 12:02:12pm

re: #201 The Vicious Babushka

Today he’s trying both to stand by and walk back the comparison he drew between Sen. Bernie Sanders and Nazis by claiming that he didn’t mean what we think he meant, even though what we think he meant is true:

“It’s perfectly accurate,” he said. “I was in no way making a comparison to the current Democratic Party and Nazis. If they want to read it that way, then that’s their prerogative. That’s not what the intent is.”

frontburner.dmagazine.com

“Are you gonna believe me, or your lying eyes?”

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The Vicious Babushka  Oct 14, 2015 • 12:02:13pm

Another memorable moment from last night’s debate was Bernie’s promise to tax the living shit out of Donald Trump and his billionaire pals.

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allegro  Oct 14, 2015 • 12:02:15pm

re: #170 HappyWarrior

Sanders being in the race is a good thing because the party’s left wing does need to have its issues discussed. That’s why even though I don’t like Webb at all did not mind him being there even though Sanders has more creds than Webb eer will.

I thought Webb being there was terrific. The direct contrast between him as a clear Republican representative and the others was so vivid. He pouted, stomped his feet and whined while calling for more war and hostility - his fond remembrance killing a guy said a whole lot as well - while the adults in the room discussed issues that are important to the American people.

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Targetpractice  Oct 14, 2015 • 12:02:28pm

I’ll be eligible for the presidency just in time for 2020. I’ve already got my campaign slogan picked out: “Vote for me or I’ll blow up the moon!”

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HappyWarrior  Oct 14, 2015 • 12:02:52pm

re: #205 Amory Blaine

Bernie Sanders and Hillary Clinton could propose yoooge tax cuts for corporations and still be labeled Marxist.

Obama could and did keep a lot of Bush’s national security team and still gets labeled a weakling.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Oct 14, 2015 • 12:03:16pm

re: #211 Targetpractice

I’ll be eligible for the presidency just in time for 2020. I’ve already got my campaign slogan picked out: “Vote for me or I’ll blow up the moon!”

Do you also plan to replace the Navy with Sharks with Frickin’ laser beams?

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Targetpractice  Oct 14, 2015 • 12:03:22pm

re: #210 allegro

I thought Webb being there was terrific. The direct contrast between him as a clear Republican representative and the others was so vivid. He pouted, stomped his feet and whined while calling for more war and hostility - his fond remembrance killing a guy said a whole lot as well - while the adults in the room discussed issues that are important to the American people.

If Webb had told the same line at a GOP debate, he’d have been met with roaring laughter and applause.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 14, 2015 • 12:03:50pm

re: #210 allegro

I thought Webb being there was terrific. The direct contrast between him as a clear Republican representative and the others was so vivid. He pouted, stomped his feet and whined while calling for more war and hostility - his fond remembrance killing a guy said a whole lot as well - while the adults in the room discussed issues that are important to the American people.

What’s saod wierd is that Webb got elected as a critic of Bush’s FP.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Oct 14, 2015 • 12:04:06pm

re: #200 HappyWarrior

That’s right. Next year someone born in the 80’s can run for president.

I’ve already had the experience of having the President be younger than I am. It’s one of those things that happen as you get older that make you FEEL older. Like realizing that television is no longer aimed at your age group, or that the young actress you thought was so hot is now playing grandmother roles, or when you get your first invitation to join AARP.

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Franklin  Oct 14, 2015 • 12:04:08pm

re: #187 Targetpractice

My first election was ‘04, and I took pride in voting for Bush’s reelection. Then I voted for McCain in ‘08.

By the way, have I mentioned recently how dumb I was from about 2001 to 2010?

Wow, my path exactly.

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Kragar  Oct 14, 2015 • 12:05:03pm

re: #193 Amory Blaine

Is Jesus in it?
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Yup.

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Targetpractice  Oct 14, 2015 • 12:05:07pm

re: #213 Eclectic Cyborg

Do you also plan to replace the Navy with Sharks with Frickin’ laser beams?

That’s one of the items on my agenda. Though I’m willing to compromise for ill-tempered sea bass.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 14, 2015 • 12:05:29pm

re: #216 Blind Frog Belly White

I’ve already had the experience of having the President be younger than I am. It’s one of those things that happen as you get older that make you FEEL older. Like realizing that television is no longer aimed at your age group, or that the young actress you thought was so hot is now playing grandmother roles, or when you get your first invitation to join AARP.

I started feeling it when the sports rookies all were younger than me but also my closets brother in age.

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Belafon  Oct 14, 2015 • 12:06:41pm

re: #189 FormerDirtDart

You know, unless you’re a reptile and abandon your young, you are a socialist to some degree.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Oct 14, 2015 • 12:08:19pm

re: #206 Eclectic Cyborg

So has Joe Biden finally decided NOT to run or what?

I know he potentially could have been at that debate last night but wasn’t.

The time for him to shit or get off the pot fish or cut bait has pretty much arrived. If Hillary had been AWFUL at last night’s debate, it would have made a much better case for him to jump in. But she wasn’t. I think people forget how smart and tough she is. Sure, there’s an air of inevitability around her, but a lot of that is because she’s one of the more capable politicians of this era. Despite what some say, it’s not just the name or the legacy. She’s not Jeb Bush with no Y chromosome.

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allegro  Oct 14, 2015 • 12:09:50pm

re: #192 Higgs Boson’s Mate

Same here. I ask myself, though, why a Senator from one of the smallest states in the Union, an unrepentant socialist who is lukewarm on gun control, and who has never so much as delivered a speech at the national convention, is able to pose such a strong challenge to Clinton.

I think it’s because a whole lot of us have been starving for a voice from the left for some 30 years now. He unpopped the cork. By doing that and showing that it is a successful message the Democratic party can now move leftwards again.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 14, 2015 • 12:10:16pm

re: #222 Blind Frog Belly White

The time for him to shit or get off the pot fish or cut bait has pretty much arrived. If Hillary had been AWFUL at last night’s debate, it would have made a much better case for him to jump in. But she didn’t. I think people forget how smart and tough she is. Sure, there’s an air of inevitability around her, but a lot of that is because she’s one of the more capable politicians of this era. Despite what some say, it’s not just the name or the legacy. She’s not Jeb Bush with no Y chromosome.

Her detractors underestimate her which is good because if she’s going to be the nominee, the R’s will underestimate her and that iwll backfire big time.

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The Vicious Babushka  Oct 14, 2015 • 12:10:44pm

LOLWHUT

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Shiplord Kirel  Oct 14, 2015 • 12:11:00pm

re: #163 Targetpractice

The “Bernie or Nothing” crowd need to be called what they are: Childish assholes. Part of the reason they hold off on letting you vote until your 18 is that, but that point, it’s hoped most of your juvenile impulses will have begun to ebb and you can make a rational decision. So if you’re 18 or older and your response to not getting your way is to take your ball and go home, then you are not only an asshole, but you’re also effectively voting for a Republican presidency.

It’s no secret that I strongly support Sanders over Clinton, but not so strongly that I am willing to let a member of the obscene clown posse appoint the next 3 or 4 Supreme Court justices. I think Bernie himself will squash this nonsense by being outspokenly supportive of Clinton if she does happen to be the nominee.

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Aunty Entity Dragon  Oct 14, 2015 • 12:11:56pm

re: #194 HappyWarrior

And ignorant of the fact that Sanders is the only descendant of Holocaust victims running for president in either party. What an asshole and completely ignorant of who the Nazis actually targeted.

I sent an extensive series of tweets at him…

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The Vicious Babushka  Oct 14, 2015 • 12:11:58pm

re: #224 HappyWarrior

Her detractors underestimate her which is good because if she’s going to be the nominee, the R’s will underestimate her and that iwll backfire big time.

The wingnuts think that shouting BENGHAZI BENGHAZI BENGHAZI 3 times in the bathroom mirror with the lights turned out will make her melt into a puddle.

That’s not working.

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Higgs Boson's Mate  Oct 14, 2015 • 12:13:07pm

re: #223 allegro

I think it’s because a whole lot of us have been starving for a voice from the left for some 30 years now. He unpopped the cork. By doing that and showing that it is a successful message the Democratic party can now move leftwards again.

That would be nice.

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Skip Intro  Oct 14, 2015 • 12:13:15pm

re: #102 Targetpractice

As Sanders noted last weekend, the GOP’s always against “more free stuff,” but there’s always money for more wars.

Wars always pay for themselves. See Cheney, Dick and Rumsfield, Donald, for the reference.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 14, 2015 • 12:13:26pm

re: #227 Aunty Entity Dragon

I sent an extensive series of tweets at him…

Thanks. I don’t do Twitter. I didn’t see he was an elected official earlier. What a completely ignorant asshole. Please tell me you did mention that Bernie had family killed in the Holocaust too.

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Targetpractice  Oct 14, 2015 • 12:13:52pm

re: #226 Shiplord Kirel

It’s no secret that I strongly support Sanders over Clinton, but not so strongly that I am willing to let a member of the obscene clown posse appoint the next 3 or 4 Supreme Court justices. I think Bernie himself will squash this nonsense by being outspokenly supportive of Clinton if she does happen to be the nominee.

Yeah, I think Bernie has the maturity and the civility to do what most of the GOP pack is unlikely to do, namely tell his supporters that they need to support Hillary as the nominee and support the party which nominated her. If only to keep her honest in the weeks/months between the end of his run and the election.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 14, 2015 • 12:14:05pm

re: #228 The Vicious Babushka

The wingnuts think that shouting BENGHAZI BENGHAZI BENGHAZI 3 times in the bathroom mirror with the lights turned out will make her melt into a puddle.

That’s not working.

It won’t work.

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jaunte  Oct 14, 2015 • 12:14:08pm

re: #231 HappyWarrior

North Texas again.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Oct 14, 2015 • 12:14:20pm

re: #226 Shiplord Kirel

It’s no secret that I strongly support Sanders over Clinton, but not so strongly that I am willing to let a member of the obscene clown posse appoint the next 3 or 4 Supreme Court justices. I think Bernie himself will squash this nonsense by being outspokenly supportive of Clinton if she does happen to be the nominee.

Permission to borrow this, please? :D

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b_sharp  Oct 14, 2015 • 12:14:30pm

re: #217 Franklin

Wow, my path exactly.

Being attacked on your home soil was a scary event for Americans. In Europe that’s all they’ve experienced.

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Shiplord Kirel  Oct 14, 2015 • 12:15:28pm

re: #235 Eclectic Cyborg

Permission to borrow this, please? :D

By all means. I think I borrowed it somewhere, but I don’t remember where.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Oct 14, 2015 • 12:15:43pm

re: #236 b_sharp

Being attacked on your home soil was a scary event for Americans. In Europe that’s all they’ve experienced.

Very well put.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 14, 2015 • 12:16:29pm

Bernie’s fine. Some of his supporters OTOH need to realize that just because someone supports someone else doesn’t make them any less progressive. It just means they support someone else. I have to admit as a former Kucinich supporter in 2004. I could be a little obnoxious. I was incredulous that someone could support another candidate because after all Kucinich was the most progressive candidate in the race (tm). Interesting that I don’t think Dennis has given his former Progressive caucus mate an endorsement but I think he’s bitter that he was primaried out when Ohio lost a district and he went up against Marcy Kaptur who is strongly progressive too but had a better record of acocmplishing legislation.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Oct 14, 2015 • 12:16:42pm

re: #220 HappyWarrior

I started feeling it when the sports rookies all were younger than me but also my closets brother in age.

Yeah. First, the athletes are your age, then the athletes your age start retiring, then they start doing commercials for arthritis drugs, then they start dying off.

By the time you reach 50, you’ll have been in a conversation that starts, “Do you remember So-and-So? He was about our age? He just dropped dead of a heart attack!”

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HappyWarrior  Oct 14, 2015 • 12:17:08pm

re: #234 jaunte

North Texas again.

Only good thing that came out of North Texas that I know was a guy named Greene.

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The Vicious Babushka  Oct 14, 2015 • 12:18:18pm

But you still have more money than 1000 other people combined! How does that work exactly?

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HappyWarrior  Oct 14, 2015 • 12:18:41pm

re: #240 Blind Frog Belly White

Yeah. First, the athletes are your age, then the athletes your age start retiring, then they start doing commercials for arthritis drugs, then they start dying off.

By the time you reach 50, you’ll have been in a conversation that starts, “Do you remember So-and-So? He was about our age? He just dropped dead of a heart attack!”

It is crazy. I do feel younger though snce I coach kids and have the other kid brother.

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wrenchwench  Oct 14, 2015 • 12:18:47pm
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b_sharp  Oct 14, 2015 • 12:20:40pm

re: #240 Blind Frog Belly White

Yeah. First, the athletes are your age, then the athletes your age start retiring, then they start doing commercials for arthritis drugs, then they start dying off.

By the time you reach 50, you’ll have been in a conversation that starts, “Do you remember So-and-So? He was about our age? He just dropped dead of a heart attack!”

I now take the time to wonder “Is that pain in my chest a pulled muscle, indigestion, or a heart attack?”. Then I take a TUMS & move my muscles around to see if the pain increases or decreases.

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Targetpractice  Oct 14, 2015 • 12:20:46pm

re: #242 The Vicious Babushka

But you still have more money than 1000 other people combined! How does that work exactly?

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The fuck? Last I checked, kids aren’t barred from public school based upon what tax bracket their parents fall into. It’s totally a choice to put your kid in a private school. But there’s a simple solution if you think you’re paying for “free school” for others: Quit your job, go on welfare, and let others pay for you. I mean, according to wingnuts, being poor and on welfare is the greatest thing ever. So why aren’t they all jumping on the welfare rolls?

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HappyWarrior  Oct 14, 2015 • 12:21:21pm

re: #242 The Vicious Babushka

But you still have more money than 1000 other people combined! How does that work exactly?

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Well thre’se another thing I thought of. Alot of these 1%ers are eectuives. MOre employees with better education means your company will probably do better so more profits too. And boo whoo in any case,

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Blind Frog Belly White  Oct 14, 2015 • 12:21:47pm

re: #243 HappyWarrior

It is crazy. I do feel younger though snce I coach kids and have the other kid brother.

There will also come a time when you realize that the women in the ‘Mature Dating’ ads are all younger than you. That’s after you realize that ‘Cougar’ now refers to women young enough to be your daughter, and that you’re old enough to have grandchildren who could legally drink with you.

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Amory Blaine  Oct 14, 2015 • 12:21:58pm

Here’s some logic, too fucking bad.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 14, 2015 • 12:22:53pm

re: #248 Blind Frog Belly White

There will also come a time when you realize that the women in the ‘Mature Dating’ ads are all younger than you. That’s after you realize that ‘Cougar’ now refers to women young enough to be your daughter, and that you’re old enough to have grandchildren who could legally drink with you.

Okay you can stop it now lol.

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Franklin  Oct 14, 2015 • 12:22:55pm

re: #242 The Vicious Babushka

But you still have more money than 1000 other people combined! How does that work exactly?

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My wife and I fall into a high tax bracket and I would be honored if my kids decided to go to the state college we both graduated from.

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Khal Wimpo  Oct 14, 2015 • 12:23:11pm

The crickets chirping out of CCJ today is a sign that perhaps his jackleg attorney has had to have the “Come To Jesus” phonecall with him.

The one that basically starts with, “Well, you know how I told you back when you decided to… “

…and has a middle punctuated by lots of shouting & recriminations… (“I warned you - no YOU LISTEN! - I WARNED YOU THAT IF YOU INSISTED ON FILING FOR …” )

…and ends with sobbing on the other end of the phone line. And a whispered question, “So what are our options here? How can we get out from under this?”

Then again, they are both living inside the impenetrable Fact-Free Right Wing Bubble, so maybe they think that they are WINNING! Duh! in this lawsuit.

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Aunty Entity Dragon  Oct 14, 2015 • 12:23:16pm
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Blind Frog Belly White  Oct 14, 2015 • 12:24:08pm

re: #245 b_sharp

I now take the time to wonder “Is that pain in my chest a pulled muscle, indigestion, or a heart attack?”. Then I take a TUMS & move my muscles around to see if the pain increases or decreases.

A few years back, I got a call from Mrs. FBW, who had been experiencing symptoms that made her afraid she was having a heart attack. She called 911 and got taken in an ambulance to the hospital.

Nothing wrong with her ticker. It was a pinched nerve, giving her aches and weakness in her left arm.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 14, 2015 • 12:24:18pm

Really though after generations of a system that favors the very wealthy at the e expense of everyone else, I can’t get teard up especially because those kids will be attending college anyhow.

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Shiplord Kirel  Oct 14, 2015 • 12:24:53pm

Bernie’s perceived “softness” on gun control will be an asset if he is the nominee. The Republicans are tuned up to make a big production out of their various Second Amendment fantasies and this will yank the rug right out from under them.
Similarly, they will not be able to resist conflating “socailist” with “Nazi,” “communist,” and Pol Pot for all I know, and will only look foolish once the voters get a good luck at Bernie and hear him in the debates.

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FormerDirtDart  Oct 14, 2015 • 12:25:34pm
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Swift2991  Oct 14, 2015 • 12:25:51pm

I think we might think of the history of “socialism” in the United States: it started with the Whigs, and their belief in “local improvements” that would improve overall productivity in the future. The Erie Canal was the first such improvement. Then you had, in fact, the Republican Party, not only fighting the Civil War, but subsidizing and encouraging railroads, getting public education off the ground, etc. A very ambitious “socialist” agenda. They wanted a high-wage, not a low-wage economy. The industrial economy really took off after the Republican Civil War. Later, Republicans abandoned blacks in the South and became more a party of the Gold Standard and Wall Street, anti-labor and pro-prohibition. In the ’20s, Republicans turned into something like Reaganism: low taxes, anti-worker’s rights, and culturally limited.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Oct 14, 2015 • 12:26:49pm

re: #257 FormerDirtDart

But…but…Chicago!

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HappyWarrior  Oct 14, 2015 • 12:26:56pm

re: #256 Shiplord Kirel

Bernie’s perceived “softness” on gun control will be an asset if he is the nominee. The Republicans are tuned up to make a big production out of their various Second Amendment fantasies and this will yank the rug right out from under them.
Similarly, they will not be able to resist conflating “socailist” with “Nazi,” “communist,” and Pol Pot for all I know, and will only look foolish once the voters get a good luck at Bernie and hear him in the debates.

I wish I shared your optimism on that but I have seen a Democrat with a strong record against gun control made out to be an anti gun radical.

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Lidane  Oct 14, 2015 • 12:27:51pm
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Kragar  Oct 14, 2015 • 12:28:35pm

re: #242 The Vicious Babushka

But you still have more money than 1000 other people combined! How does that work exactly?

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Blind Frog Belly White  Oct 14, 2015 • 12:28:49pm

re: #242 The Vicious Babushka

But you still have more money than 1000 other people combined! How does that work exactly?

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There was a time in this country where we taxed the top earners with a marginal rate of 91% NINETY ONE PERCENT! And they didn’t whine as much as these clowns do at the prospect of 40%. THAT was “The America I Grew Up In”, for most of the Right.

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Khal Wimpo  Oct 14, 2015 • 12:29:00pm

Also: I may have made some arithmetic errors in my calculations of possible attorney’s fees that CCJ will be liable for when he loses the SLAPP suit. Please forgive me - it was late, and I was bleary-eyed.

We used to joke that they should make legal billing an Olympic sport. Thinking about your client’s case while you’re in the shower? Yep! Stick it on the billable hours sheet.

Discussing what a tool your client is with your gardener while checking out the sprinklers? Qualifies as a legal conference - .2 hours on the sheet. Ca-CHING!

If a judge is favorably disposed towards your case, they will see through the other side trying to soak you for outrageous fees. Try to bill $600K on a slip-and-fall in a school cafeteria will lead to one of those scenes in chambers that I already described.

However, when there’s $66M on the line, and it’s a case that had to be removed to Federal because plaintiff misfiled in Missouri, lives in California and defendant is a publisher in NYC … yeah. A judge might just let those fees stick, just to make an example of the dipshit and keep his courtroom from getting clogged up with specious cases based on fantasy damages.

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Swift2991  Oct 14, 2015 • 12:29:09pm

re: #225 The Vicious Babushka</em

Indeed! What we need is The Intercept to establish journalistic standards!

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Amory Blaine  Oct 14, 2015 • 12:31:03pm

The multi generational heirs of the inventor of the balonga sandwich can pay up.

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Targetpractice  Oct 14, 2015 • 12:33:10pm

re: #262 Kragar

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If you don’t qualify for a scholarship, it’s generally because you either A) don’t meet certain requirements or B) are financially well-off and thus can afford to pay full tuition.

Perhaps the cause of her anger is she just got junior’s tuition bill and realized that white privilege doesn’t get you a discount for college.

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Kragar  Oct 14, 2015 • 12:33:42pm

re: #267 Targetpractice

If you don’t qualify for a scholarship, it’s generally because you either A) don’t meet certain requirements or B) are financially well-off and thus can afford to pay full tuition.

Perhaps the cause of her anger is she just got junior’s tuition bill and realized that white privilege doesn’t get you a discount for college.

And she’s blocked me.

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Lidane  Oct 14, 2015 • 12:33:49pm

Smarter than the average bear:

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Blind Frog Belly White  Oct 14, 2015 • 12:34:24pm

re: #266 Amory Blaine

I’ve been told by wingnuts that the Estate Tax was EVIL!!!, and IMMORAL!!!, though they couldn’t explain why except that the parents wanted their children to have all that money. I countered that my employer wanted ME to have ‘all that money’ they paid me, but somehow taxing THAT wasn’t evil or immoral.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Oct 14, 2015 • 12:36:15pm

re: #251 Franklin

My wife and I fall into a high tax bracket and I would be honored if my kids decided to go to the state college we both graduated from.

I went to a state school for my undergrad …although not my state, so the benefits were somewhat less. (Counterbalanced by the fact that I was extremely lucky and received a full tuition/room/board merit scholarship that covered all four years.)

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HappyWarrior  Oct 14, 2015 • 12:36:59pm

re: #263 Blind Frog Belly White

There was a time in this country where we taxed the top earners with a marginal rate of 91% NINETY ONE PERCENT! And they didn’t whine as much as these clowns do at the prospect of 40%. THAT was “The America I Grew Up In”, for most of the Right.

The observation has been made before but you really didn’t see the huge backlash against the New Deal consensus until LBJ decided that the programs of it and his own Great Society should apply to racial minorities and not just whites. Not that there wasn’t opposition to the New Deal programs but modern hatred of “big government” has its origins in the 60’s when conservatives like Reagan capitalized on animosity to opposition to things like bans on denying housing based on race.

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Targetpractice  Oct 14, 2015 • 12:37:34pm

re: #270 Blind Frog Belly White

I’ve been told by wingnuts that the Estate Tax was EVIL!!!, and IMMORAL!!!, though they couldn’t explain why except that the parents wanted their children to have all that money. I countered that my employer wanted ME to all ‘all that money’ they paid me, but somehow taxing THAT wasn’t evil or immoral.

I’ve noticed recently that wingnuts, when discussing the “death tax,” have dropped the “family farm” bullshit. Now they’re just trying to argue that it’s not “fair” to ask the rich to pay taxes on money passed on to their heirs.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 14, 2015 • 12:38:17pm

re: #273 Targetpractice

I’ve noticed recently that wingnuts, when discussing the “death tax,” have dropped the “family farm” bullshit. Now they’re just trying to argue that it’s not “fair” to ask the rich to pay taxes on money passed on to their heirs.

They get more honest the more you press them on issues.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Oct 14, 2015 • 12:38:25pm

re: #273 Targetpractice

Well we tax lottery winnings. Being born into wealth is *kind of* like winning the lottery right?

/

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WhatEVs  Oct 14, 2015 • 12:38:30pm

re: #113 lawhawk

Yeah, maths is hard.

Table of annual deficit (see Table 1) by year, which shows that it’s nowhere near $18 trillion for Obama.

In case anyone wants the relevant bits….

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wrenchwench  Oct 14, 2015 • 12:39:30pm

re: #271 klys (maker of Silmarils)

(Counterbalanced by the fact that I was extremely lucky and received a full tuition/room/board merit scholarship that covered all four years.)

Merit scholarship’ means it wasn’t ALL luck.

Congrats. (Better late than never.)

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HappyWarrior  Oct 14, 2015 • 12:39:32pm

Here’s the thing though . For all their bitching about taxes, their taxes did go up under Reagan and Bush. I’d rather I know my taxes are going to improving the nation rather than being wasted in a foreign adventure that fucks up a whole region for generations.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Oct 14, 2015 • 12:40:57pm

re: #275 Eclectic Cyborg

Well we tax lottery winnings. Being born into wealth is *kind of* like winning the lottery right?

/

Kind of? It absolutely fuckin IS winning the lottery!

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Oct 14, 2015 • 12:41:20pm

re: #277 wrenchwench

Merit scholarship’ means it wasn’t ALL luck.

Congrats. (Better late than never.)

Yeah, but the reality is still that there’s lots of people out there with similar credentials who didn’t get one.

That being said, I worked my rear off to get it and keep it. That was the last year they didn’t put a dollar amount on the award, it just covered everything. For a state school, I think it ended up being worth $120,000.

For the four years.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 14, 2015 • 12:42:06pm

I used a variation of Ann Richards’ old lne on HW BUsh- born on third, thinks he hit a triple to describe the mindset I saw in guys like Romney- born with the shaving cream pie on his face, thought he hit the walk off grand slam.

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allegro  Oct 14, 2015 • 12:42:42pm

re: #269 Lidane

Smarter than the average bear:

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Don’t let D_F see that. He’ll be hollering for someone to shoot it.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 14, 2015 • 12:44:01pm

re: #282 allegro

Don’t let D_F see that. He’ll be hollering for someone to shoot it.

Which is odd since he’s a Cubs and Bears fan.

*Ducks, thank you I’ll be here all night*

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Blind Frog Belly White  Oct 14, 2015 • 12:45:53pm

re: #273 Targetpractice

I’ve noticed recently that wingnuts, when discussing the “death tax,” have dropped the “family farm” bullshit. Now they’re just trying to argue that it’s not “fair” to ask the rich to pay taxes on money passed on to their heirs.

The Dems wisely kept offering a higher and higher exemption, till the Repubes finally had to admit that it wasn’t about the amount, that they really just thought rich kids should get the whole shebang with no taxes.

They still didn’t own up to their desire to live under a moneyed aristocracy, but that was a start.

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EmmaAnne  Oct 14, 2015 • 12:46:54pm

re: #138 Higgs Boson’s Mate

PUMA was pro-Clinton.

And way, way overstated from what I saw. I did lots of GOTV, and never met met one person who refused to vote for Obama because of Hillary.

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Lidane  Oct 14, 2015 • 12:46:59pm
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HappyWarrior  Oct 14, 2015 • 12:47:00pm

I think the Republicans reveal their real intentions everytime they talk about a really high national sales tax. If I were a Dem strategist, I’d have a field day with that.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 14, 2015 • 12:47:23pm

re: #286 Lidane

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I hate Candy Corn yet like Circus Peanuts.

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Big Beautiful Door  Oct 14, 2015 • 12:47:41pm

re: #284 Blind Frog Belly White

The Dems wisely kept offering a higher and higher exemption, till the Repubes finally had to admit that it wasn’t about the amount, that they really just thought rich kids should get the whole shebang with no taxes.

They still didn’t own up to their desire to live under a moneyed aristocracy, but that was a start.

Because Republicans recognize that providing financial assistance to children helps them make a better start in life, even if they haven’t earned the money./

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Blind Frog Belly White  Oct 14, 2015 • 12:48:37pm

re: #288 HappyWarrior

I hate Candy Corn yet like Circus Peanuts.

I love candy corn. It’s one of my weaknesses. Circus Peanuts, I can take or leave.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Oct 14, 2015 • 12:49:17pm

re: #290 Blind Frog Belly White

Keep all of the forsaken sugar vehicles away from me.

I’m trying to shed some pounds, dammit.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 14, 2015 • 12:49:18pm

re: #290 Blind Frog Belly White

I love candy corn. It’s one of my weaknesses. Circus Peanuts, I can take or leave.

I think my weakness candy wise is spice drops. Man do I love those with a cold glass of mlk or even a beer.

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Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Oct 14, 2015 • 12:49:26pm

re: #273 Targetpractice

I’ve noticed recently that wingnuts, when discussing the “death tax,” have dropped the “family farm” bullshit. Now they’re just trying to argue that it’s not “fair” to ask the rich to pay taxes on money passed on to their heirs.

Always best when we can get to the rub of the matter.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 14, 2015 • 12:50:05pm

re: #291 klys (maker of Silmarils)

Keep all of the forsaken sugar vehicles away from me.

I’m trying to shed some pounds, dammit.

You and me both. It’s a tough time of year with Halloween, Thanksgiving, and the winter Holidays and all their snacks. That said, I think I am at least goetting stronger.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Oct 14, 2015 • 12:50:48pm

re: #291 klys (maker of Silmarils)

Keep all of the forsaken sugar vehicles away from me.

I’m trying to shed some pounds, dammit.

Don’t worry! I’ll save you!! (munch, munch, munch)

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b_sharp  Oct 14, 2015 • 12:51:20pm

re: #268 Kragar

And she’s blocked me.

Tiny mind blocked me too.

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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Oct 14, 2015 • 12:51:40pm

it’s wednesday, and we still havent heard from ryan or biden

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William Lewis  Oct 14, 2015 • 12:52:29pm

Well. Fuck.

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Big Beautiful Door  Oct 14, 2015 • 12:52:55pm

re: #293 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse

Always best when we can get to the rub of the matter.

Its like the national debt. As GOP candidates unveil tax cut proposals which will cost the federal government $10 tn or more, it turns out that lots of conservatives don’t mind skyrocketing budget deficits, as long as the money is being borrowed in order to give it to the 1%.

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b_sharp  Oct 14, 2015 • 12:53:01pm

re: #271 klys (maker of Silmarils)

I went to a state school for my undergrad …although not my state, so the benefits were somewhat less. (Counterbalanced by the fact that I was extremely lucky and received a full tuition/room/board merit scholarship that covered all four years.)

You be smrt.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Oct 14, 2015 • 12:53:37pm

re: #294 HappyWarrior

You and me both. It’s a tough time of year with Halloween, Thanksgiving, and the winter Holidays and all their snacks. That said, I think I am at least goetting stronger.

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allegro  Oct 14, 2015 • 12:53:38pm

re: #292 HappyWarrior

I think my weakness candy wise is spice drops. Man do I love those with a cold glass of mlk or even a beer.

Ooooo, spice drops… nom nom nom. The only candy that I will eat the entire bag. And want more. Now.

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Jenner7  Oct 14, 2015 • 12:54:15pm

Oh my, was it fun listening to Hannity today. He’s going on and on about how terrible the Dem candidates are and “imagine Bernie’s socialistic world right here in America” by citing some immigrant cab driver in NYC who gets free room and board because of some liberal judge and fuzzy laws.

Yeah, really.

They are losing it and I’m loving it.

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b_sharp  Oct 14, 2015 • 12:54:49pm

re: #290 Blind Frog Belly White

I love candy corn. It’s one of my weaknesses. Circus Peanuts, I can take or leave.

My wife loves that flavoured wax too.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Oct 14, 2015 • 12:54:58pm

re: #298 William Lewis

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b_sharp  Oct 14, 2015 • 12:55:37pm

re: #292 HappyWarrior

I think my weakness candy wise is spice drops. Man do I love those with a cold glass of mlk or even a beer.

Nanaimo bar.

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Jenner7  Oct 14, 2015 • 12:55:57pm

re: #298 William Lewis

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Amory Blaine  Oct 14, 2015 • 12:56:00pm

re: #291 klys (maker of Silmarils)

If you’re going to waste calories do it with something really good.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 14, 2015 • 12:56:25pm

re: #303 Jenner7

Oh my, was it fun listening to Hannity today. He’s going on and on about how terrible the Dem candidates are and “imagine Bernie’s socialistic world right here in America” by citing some immigrant cab driver in NYC who gets free room and board because of some liberal judge and fuzzy laws.

Yeah, really.

They are losing it and I’m loving it.

You’re kidding me. I am curious but where was this immigrant cabbie from? I assume Norway since their system is just making them flee left and right. //

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HappyWarrior  Oct 14, 2015 • 12:56:37pm

re: #306 b_sharp

Nanaimo bar.

What’s in that?

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Oct 14, 2015 • 12:57:00pm

re: #308 Amory Blaine

If you’re going to waste calories do it with something really good.

My MiL’s apple pie qualifies, but fortunately that got finished last night.

Actually it was an achievement to make it through their visit without gaining any weight, because lots of out to eat and a few drinks because sometimes that is what you need to get through without screaming at someone. >.>

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b_sharp  Oct 14, 2015 • 12:57:15pm

re: #298 William Lewis

Well. Fuck.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 14, 2015 • 12:57:31pm

re: #308 Amory Blaine

If you’re going to waste calories do it with something really good.

That’s what beer is for. I had a great Belgian one on Saturday. A sour one, I butchered the pronouncation but the bartender gve it to me anyway lol.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 14, 2015 • 12:58:54pm

If Hannity wants to see what Bernie’s vsions looks like, I’d suggest a trip to Oslo or Stockholm.

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b_sharp  Oct 14, 2015 • 12:59:24pm

re: #310 HappyWarrior

What’s in that?

en.wikipedia.org

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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Oct 14, 2015 • 12:59:28pm

re: #258 Swift2991

I think we might think of the history of “socialism” in the United States: it started with the Whigs, and their belief in “local improvements” that would improve overall productivity in the future. The Erie Canal was the first such improvement. Then you had, in fact, the Republican Party, not only fighting the Civil War, but subsidizing and encouraging railroads, getting public education off the ground, etc. A very ambitious “socialist” agenda. They wanted a high-wage, not a low-wage economy. The industrial economy really took off after the Republican Civil War. Later, Republicans abandoned blacks in the South and became more a party of the Gold Standard and Wall Street, anti-labor and pro-prohibition. In the ’20s, Republicans turned into something like Reaganism: low taxes, anti-worker’s rights, and culturally limited.

the original meaning of the word ‘socialism’ was the one still in the dictionaries: an economic system where the government owns and operates major industries. one might also add the abolition of private property as was enforced by the soviet union and, originally, communist china

it turned out, though, when a socialist party came to power in britain after WWI, their actual policies were considerably more moderate than that, in fact, were what we would call social welfare policies which bore a close resemblance to the policies which the very conservative bismark had pioneered in germany as far back as the 1890s. to make a clear distinction (that is, among people who value being clear and truthfull), this is now called ‘democratic socialism’, which is what bernie declares he adheres to, and is to a greater or lesser extent the kind of governing policy practiced currently by just about every government on the face of the earth

but foxnews and their friends wouldnt like you to know that…

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HappyWarrior  Oct 14, 2015 • 1:00:11pm

re: #315 b_sharp

en.wikipedia.org

I’ll have to try that if I’m eer up there.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Oct 14, 2015 • 1:01:30pm

re: #298 William Lewis

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Emoprog Refugee  Oct 14, 2015 • 1:01:36pm

re: #11 Kragar

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Good grief, wtf is wrong with people?!
No, dumbasses, that is a female version of grief and horror. Seeing the same expression on brunette females’ faces is not the same thing as seeing the same brunette female (and, no, brunette women are not rare). Having one’s loved ones senselessly slaughtered tends to cause one to make that face.

What has happened to this country that Snopes found it necessary to “debunk” such blatant stupidity? Do the people who put forth and support the idiotic idea that it’s the same woman believe that people don’t react with grief and horror at their kids being shot to death?

Yes, yes, I know, they want people to believe there are no irresponsible gun owners, and that kids getting shot up with regularity in this country is a hoax, but lordy, what an idiotic meme.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Oct 14, 2015 • 1:02:27pm

re: #304 b_sharp

My wife loves that flavoured wax too.

I used to chew the wax from Wax Lips and ‘Coke Bottles’. Candy Corn is better, though.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 14, 2015 • 1:02:59pm

I don’t doubt that an actual command economy has its problems but here’s the thing, Bernie is more closer ideologically to Clement Attlee than he is Fidel Castro let alone Joseph Stalin. Shit not even Clement Attlee, how about Tony Blair.

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Nyet  Oct 14, 2015 • 1:03:40pm

So I finally watched the 48 minute video of a one-woman-protest outside a mosque and how the Muslims there tried to convince her that they don’t have horns (I’m paraphrasing ;).

[COUNTERCURRENTNEWS] Protester Leaves National Anti-Muslim Rally, Learns About Islam, Visits Mosque

I was very impressed with the bearded Jewish guy (who is apparently Jewish-Muslim) who patiently argued with the woman (and who uploaded the vid) so I looked him up, here’s he on facebook.

So I learned two things. First is more of the “heh” sort: these are apparently his articles and he has some veeery weird ideas. Still nice and all, but oh boy.

Anyway, the second thing is somewhat upsetting, so I’ll put it in spoiler. Warned is warned.

I found this interview by Micah:

sparksofdissent.blogspot.com

In which he says:

Shi`ah too are known for this. Perhaps one goes to a Du`a Kumayl on Thursday night and does not wish to get into debating politics related to matters such as Khomeini claiming permissible the molestation and rape of girls as young as two years old? Perhaps you simply want to focus on what you have in common and not what you consider to be the cultural brainwashing of your neighbor.

I was like, o_0

I was familiar with the Khomeini quote but always dismissed it as a fake, because because of how extreme it is and because no one was able to substantiate it the first time I looked it up. I googled anew and saw some relatively recent discussions with Iranians giving the extended quote with context straight from official Iranian sites.

Google Translate confirmed that the excerpt they quote is there indeed. Moreover, there is this Shia apologetics site that addresses the quote:

wilayat.net

Their response boils down to “it’s true, but it’s OK as long as there is no penetration and the other sects do it too, so what’s the big deal”. Gah.

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lawhawk  Oct 14, 2015 • 1:11:11pm

re: #264 Khal Wimpo

I’d clarify one bit - it wasn’t misfiled. It was purposefully filed in MO, despite having absolutely no connection to the jurisdiction other than Chucky found a lawyer there willing to file it and foist this BS on the Court.

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ObserverArt  Oct 14, 2015 • 1:22:40pm

I can’t keep up with the threads today, so pardon me if this has been posted already.

National Journal - Hillary Clinton Won (But It Won’t Always Be This Way)

Ronnie Fournier was not impressed…cuz Hillary is still being dishonest. Or, something.

Front-runner’s performance was as good as it was dishonest.

Hil­lary Clin­ton won. She won be­cause she’s a strong de­bater. She won be­cause Bernie Sanders is not. She won be­cause the first Demo­crat­ic pres­id­en­tial de­bate fo­cused on lib­er­al policies—and not her email scan­dal or char­ac­ter.

The em­battled front-run­ner won her­self a news cycle or two, be­cause she stretched the truth and played to a friendly audi­ence. It won’t al­ways be so.

It took more than an hour be­fore CNN’s An­der­son Cooper asked Clin­ton about the cov­ert email sys­tem she es­tab­lished as sec­ret­ary of State in de­fi­ance of fed­er­al reg­u­la­tions, sub­vert­ing the Free­dom of In­form­a­tion Act, thwart­ing con­gres­sion­al over­sight, and jeop­ard­iz­ing U.S. secrets. And, even then, her chief rival offered Clin­ton cov­er.

“What I did was al­lowed by the State De­part­ment,” said the wo­man who headed the State De­part­ment, “but it wasn’t the best choice.” Clin­ton noted that the GOP-led Benghazi com­mit­tee—the pan­el that dis­covered her rogue email sys­tem—is on re­cord try­ing to un­der­mine her cred­ib­il­ity. GOP par­tis­ans were par­tis­an, and yet, she dra­mat­ic­ally de­clared, “I’m still stand­ing.”

The Demo­crat­ic crowd roared. “I think the sec­ret­ary is right,” said Sen. Bernie Sanders of Ver­mont, a pop­u­list threat­en­ing Clin­ton from the left. “The Amer­ic­an people are sick and tired of hear­ing about emails.”

Pro­fes­sion­al Demo­crats and the party’s strongest voters are cer­tainly tired of hear­ing about the email scan­dal, but it’s not go­ing to go away—not with the FBI in­vest­ig­at­ing wheth­er con­fid­en­tial in­form­a­tion was mis­handled un­der Clin­ton’s sys­tem and not with in­de­pend­ent voters los­ing faith in Clin­ton’s word.

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I could have sworn I’ve seen Fournier on talk shows where he said the email thing was no big deal. Who knows, maybe he changes his facts or viewpoint for the publication he is writing for or the TV show he is on.

He wouldn’t do that, would he? /

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 14, 2015 • 3:20:51pm

re: #257 FormerDirtDart

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kinda exaggerated the way that map is presented.
My county has a rate of 12.49 per 100,000 population. so gets a scary red color on the map.
But our total county population is less than 14,000, so the math says maybe 2 people died by gun within that timeframe (I know of one that was a hunting death).
OTOH, in years outside that timeframe there were a lot of gun deaths here.

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CleverToad  Oct 14, 2015 • 5:26:30pm

re: #298 William Lewis

{{WL - thoughts and prayers}}


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