Rand Paul: Electing Bernie Sanders Could Lead to “Mass Genocide”

Painting Sanders as a monster

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Sen. Bernie Sanders describes himself as a “democratic socialist,” with a political philosophy similar to those of countries like Denmark and Sweden, where this form of socialism has been a proven system of workable government for many years. It’s not communism, folks, and it has nothing in common with the totalitarian dictatorships of the Soviet Union or Maoist China.

That’s what makes the latest attack by far right Sen. Rand Paul especially dishonest and creepy, because he not only compares Sanders explicitly to Mao and Pol Pot, he says electing Sanders will lead to “mass genocide.” Political attacks don’t get much more extreme than this, and this sort of rhetoric cheapens and demeans the gravity of the word “genocide.”

“It amazes me and it actually kind of scares me,” Paul said. “I’ve been spending more time going after Bernie and socialism because I don’t want America to succumb to the notion that there’s anything good about socialism. I think it’s not an accident of history that most of the times when socialism has been tried that attendant with that has been mass genocide of people or any of those who object to it. Stalin killed tens of millions of people. Mao killed tens of millions of people. Pol Pot killed tens of millions of people. When you have a command economy, when everything is dictated from one authority, that’s socialism, but it doesn’t come easily to those who resist it.”

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286 comments
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The Vicious Babushka  Oct 16, 2015 • 10:37:29am

It’s just a riff on all the wingnut memes that compare Obama to Hitler.

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The Vicious Babushka  Oct 16, 2015 • 10:41:46am

I said downstairs:

You know what would cause mass democide?

Unregulated Ayn Randian free market driving down wages, mass unemployment or people working for poverty pay, and the inevitable uprising of desperate, starving people which would be brutally crushed by private armies.

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Amory Blaine  Oct 16, 2015 • 10:43:10am

The more hyperbolic a RWNJ gets, the greater the lie.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 16, 2015 • 10:44:46am

Eklceting Rand to anything leads to mass stupidity. Fuck him for coparming Sanders to Mao and Stalin when Rand knows full well that democratic socialists do exist and without democide.

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Kragar  Oct 16, 2015 • 10:48:43am

Its gotten to the point that this kind of ignorant hate screed is expected from the GOP.

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Barefoot Grin  Oct 16, 2015 • 10:49:30am

This is profoundly cynical. And stupid. Or, Rand Paulian.

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lawhawk  Oct 16, 2015 • 10:49:33am

Genocide. He keeps using that word. Bernie Sanders lost family in an honest-to-goodness actual genocide. You might have heard of it Rand. It was called the Holocaust.

And being a socialist had nothing to do with it. And Sanders isn’t a socialist in the Soviet, Chinese, Vietnamese, or other red-bloc nations, but in the progressive European sense.

But thankfully, we might not have Rand involved in politics for much longer. His burn rate is unsustainable and he’s shifting campaign funds from his Senate race to the WH race - leaving us hopeful that he fails with both.

Oh, and Bernie’s running a surplus with his burn rate - he has more saved up than Rand has burned through.

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The Vicious Babushka  Oct 16, 2015 • 10:51:42am

Oh and Dana Muhguns is standing up for that idiot in Texas who compared Bernie Sanders to Hitler.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 16, 2015 • 10:52:28am

re: #7 lawhawk

Genocide. He keeps using that word. Bernie Sanders lost family in an honest-to-goodness actual genocide. You might have heard of it Rand. It was called the Holocaust.

And being a socialist had nothing to do with it. And Sanders isn’t a socialist in the Soviet, Chinese, Vietnamese, or other red-bloc nations, but in the progressive European sense.

But thankfully, we might not have Rand involved in politics for much longer. His burn rate is unsustainable and he’s shifting campaign funds from his Senate race to the WH race - leaving us hopeful that he fails with both.

Oh, and Bernie’s running a surplus with his burn rate - he has more saved up than Rand has burned through.

He really is pathetic as all are these conservatives likening Bernie to tyrants. Bernie is no different in ideology from someone in the European left. The right loves to make every single socialist out to be another Mao or Stalin because they know fear sells and that’s why people vote against socialists like Sanders whose solutions if people really listened to htem do make sense but they get scared when fear merchants like Randy Rand pull shit shit.

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Testy Toad T  Oct 16, 2015 • 10:53:06am

I thought TEH GUNZ protected us from mass genocide from a wild and crazy out of control evil federal gubmint.

Shit, if they’re no good for that, why are we even bothering?

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HappyWarrior  Oct 16, 2015 • 10:53:40am

re: #8 The Vicious Babushka

Oh and Dana Muhguns is standing up for that idiot in Texas who compared Bernie Sanders to Hitler.

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The guy is Mexican-American I believe. His ethnicity has nothing to do with the fact he’s an abject moron. Dana, you ignorant psycho asshole, Bernie actualyl lost relatives to the Nazis, this guy did not so please shtu the fuck up with your moronic and honestly racist bullshit.

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The Vicious Babushka  Oct 16, 2015 • 10:54:10am

re: #9 HappyWarrior

He really is pathetic as all are these conservatives likening Bernie to tyrants. Bernie is no different in ideology from someone in the European left. The right loves to make every single socialist out to be another Mao or Stalin because they know fear sells and that’s why people vote against socialists like Sanders whose solutions if people really listened to htem do make sense but they get scared when fear merchants like Randy Rand pull shit shit.

They don’t even know the difference between “Socialism” and “Communism” HURR HURR THEY HAS SOSHULIST IN THERE NAMES IT ALL TEH SAMES!!!!!1

People’s Republic of China=all Chinese People are Republicans

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Amory Blaine  Oct 16, 2015 • 10:54:14am

I’m liking Bernie and his message. I might actually go work for his campaign. We could use a little more socialism AFAIC.

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Higgs Boson's Mate  Oct 16, 2015 • 10:54:19am

To me, the conservatives’ hoovering up words and concepts then beating them into interchangeable pejoratives is one of their greatest crimes. The damage that they re doing to our language and common understanding is immense. Its effects will be with us for years, no matter how events play out politically.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 16, 2015 • 10:54:43am

re: #12 The Vicious Babushka

They don’t even know the difference between “Socialism” and “Communism” HURR HURR THEY HAS SOSHULIST IN THERE NAMES IT ALL TEH SAMES!!!!!1

People’s Republic of China=all Chinese People are Republicans

German DEmocratic Republic would confuse them big time I bet.

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The Vicious Babushka  Oct 16, 2015 • 10:56:14am

re: #15 HappyWarrior

German DEmocratic Republic would confuse them big time I bet.

HURR HURR EAST GERMANS WHAT PUT UP TEH BERLIN WALL WAS TEH DEMOCRATS!!!!!

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wrenchwench  Oct 16, 2015 • 10:56:15am

Fearless Rand. Not afraid of pandering to anyone, no matter how bigoted or stupid it makes him look!

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Amory Blaine  Oct 16, 2015 • 10:56:31am

re: #13 Amory Blaine

I’m liking Bernie and his message. I might actually go work for his campaign. We could use a little more socialism AFAIC.

I would have to work in the back as I don’t like talking to people.

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Timothy Watson  Oct 16, 2015 • 10:56:37am

re: #15 HappyWarrior

German DEmocratic Republic would confuse them big time I bet.

Or the Democratic People’s Republic of Korea.

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Higgs Boson's Mate  Oct 16, 2015 • 10:57:41am

It’s overcast here and still just under 70° here. That would be 30 degrees cooler than it’s been for the past couple of weeks. Ahhhhhh.
Have every window in the house open.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 16, 2015 • 10:57:59am

Okay I checked the guy who called Sanders a national scoailst out. He’s from the great socialist state of Texas in the people’s commune of Dallas.

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Belafon  Oct 16, 2015 • 10:58:03am

re: #8 The Vicious Babushka

Oh and Dana Muhguns is standing up for that idiot in Texas who compared Bernie Sanders to Hitler.

Did is being Mexican endow him with an understanding of Socialism?

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HappyWarrior  Oct 16, 2015 • 10:59:19am

re: #22 Belafon

Did is being Mexican endow him with an understanding of Socialism?

He’s from Dallas. Shit tehcnically I’m more qualieid to talk abotu socialism than he is since half my ancestral nations were part of the EAStern bloc usng Dan alogic. Mexico was never commuunist.

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Higgs Boson's Mate  Oct 16, 2015 • 10:59:26am

re: #22 Belafon

Did is being Mexican endow him with an understanding of Socialism?

Conservatives are born knowing it all.

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Timothy Watson  Oct 16, 2015 • 10:59:32am
Sir Humphrey: East Yemen, isn’t that a democracy?
Foreign Office Official: Its full name is the Peoples’ Democratic Republic of East Yemen.
Sir Humphrey: Ah I see, so it’s a communist dictatorship.
— Yes, Minister
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The Vicious Babushka  Oct 16, 2015 • 10:59:52am

re: #22 Belafon

Did is being Mexican endow him with an understanding of Socialism?

HURR HURR IT JUST TEH RACISM THAT MAKE LIBRULS SAY MEAN THINGS TO TEH BROWN MESSICAN!!!!!!!

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Belafon  Oct 16, 2015 • 10:59:59am

re: #21 HappyWarrior

Okay I checked the guy who called Sanders a national scoailst out. He’s from the great socialist state of Texas in the people’s commune of Dallas.

Where exactly, because the peoples commune of Dallas has a Democratic mayor, a lesbian sheriff, and went for Obama in the elections?

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gocart mozart  Oct 16, 2015 • 11:00:24am

re: #8 The Vicious Babushka

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Nyet  Oct 16, 2015 • 11:00:36am

The bitter irony is that it is Paul’s brand of “libertarian” fascism that would be likely to make any country hell on Earth.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 16, 2015 • 11:00:48am

re: #27 Belafon

Where exactly, because the peoples commune of Dallas has a Democratic mayor, a lesbian sheriff, and went for Obama in the elections?

He was born there. Probably lives and rpesents a burb now.

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lawhawk  Oct 16, 2015 • 11:02:15am

re: #28 gocart mozart

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Kragar  Oct 16, 2015 • 11:02:43am

Never going to vote for her, but I will give Fiorina credit for being the only GOP candidate who has been willing to do this:

“The Muslims are really raising heck right now,” the event attendee told Fiorina, according to video recorded by CNN. “They want to change our whole country to suit them. If they don’t like the United States, get out of here. Take your camel and beat it!”

“People are so frustrated and angry with the immigration situation. Let me say that one of the most important things about this nation is that we judge people as individuals,” Fiorina said in response.

“I’m not willing to condemn any group of people. I’m willing to judge each individual,” she later added.

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KGxvi  Oct 16, 2015 • 11:03:08am

re: #28 gocart mozart

I ADDMITT NOTHIN’!!!11!

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The Vicious Babushka  Oct 16, 2015 • 11:03:14am

re: #28 gocart mozart

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Prepare to be swarmed by rabid frenzied Danabots.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 16, 2015 • 11:03:54am

re: #32 Kragar

Never going to vote for her, but I will give Fiorina credit for being the only GOP candidate who has been willing to do this:

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SHe does dserve props for this. THat’s sad though that this is something that we have to aplaud a GOP canidate for since it should be second nature.

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gocart mozart  Oct 16, 2015 • 11:04:37am
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GlutenFreeJesus  Oct 16, 2015 • 11:07:21am

re: #32 Kragar

Never going to vote for her, but I will give Fiorina credit for being the only GOP candidate who has been willing to do this:

They even want to change our country to suit them

Said a dude who is probably anti-choice/SSM, and wants GOD everywhere.

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gocart mozart  Oct 16, 2015 • 11:09:10am

re: #36 gocart mozart

oops, I reposted tweet @ 36 again by mistake, I meant this one:

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HappyWarrior  Oct 16, 2015 • 11:09:55am

Is the Irish side of me not allowed to tel the German, Slovak, and Slovene side of me about socialism since Ireland has never been a communist state? This guy is an American, he is a Latino-American but being a Latino-American doesn’t give him some magic wand that makes him some how an expert and it especially gives him no right to liken a Jewish man, one who had family perish in the Holocaust the Nazis. Even if he were Jewish, this would be wrong for the very simple reason that Bernie’s views are nothing like Hitler, Mao, or Stalin’s. It’s clear to anyone who doesn’t buy all socialists= blood thirsty tyrants that Bernie’s tradition is more in line with Scanadvian social democrats or British style Labour members like you know that guy Bush was tight wih, Blair I believe.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 16, 2015 • 11:10:09am

re: #38 Charles Johnson

Jason Villalba Defends Tweet Comparing Democrats to Nazis.

Of course he does because he’s a pathetic right wing punk.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 16, 2015 • 11:10:42am

re: #39 gocart mozart

oops, I reposted tweet @ 36 again by mistake, I meant this one:

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The IRA too. Huge Republicans.

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Nyet  Oct 16, 2015 • 11:12:12am

re: #36 gocart mozart

Erm. What does being white or Hispanic has to do with anything? Is Dana being an imbecile again? Why am I asking rhetorical questions?

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HappyWarrior  Oct 16, 2015 • 11:12:24am

Conservatives know that they are incapable of debating Bernie’s views like adults so they resort to likening him to some of the worst tyrants in history. That’s why they do it. Cowards all of them. They know that there’s a large subsect of the American population that shivers to itself when they hear the word socialist so every socialist has to be the second incarnation of Mao or Stalin.

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Charles Johnson  Oct 16, 2015 • 11:12:49am

re: #39 gocart mozart

North Korea must be a democracy because their official name is “Democratic People’s Republic of Korea.” Case closed.

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The Vicious Babushka  Oct 16, 2015 • 11:13:16am

re: #43 Nyet

Erm. What does being white or Hispanic has to do with anything? Is Dana being an imbecile again? Why am I asking rhetorical questions?

Dana is doing her HURR HURR LIBRULS IS TEH REAL RACISTS!!!! whenever a wingnut says something egregiously racist.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 16, 2015 • 11:13:45am

re: #43 Nyet

Erm. What does being white or Hispanic has to do with anything? Is Dana being an imbecile again? Why am I asking rhetorical questions?

I think Dana really thinks all Latin American countries are socialist. The irony as I got using her logic that I have more credibility on the subject. I don’t claim to know more about socialism than this Representative because of my heritage, I know more because I have educated myself on the subject from sources that don’t paint every socialist as Mao 2.0.

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Nyet  Oct 16, 2015 • 11:13:55am

re: #45 Charles Johnson

Zhirinovsky and his followers are “Liberal Democrats”. That settles it!/

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KGxvi  Oct 16, 2015 • 11:14:54am

re: #43 Nyet

I think she’s accusing white liberals of whitesplaing something to a man who happens to be Latino. Of course, it completely misses the point because said Latino man never actually lived in a totalitarian socialist regime… so, yeah, she’s being an imbecile, again.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 16, 2015 • 11:15:08am

re: #46 The Vicious Babushka

Dana is doing her HURR HURR LIBRULS IS TEH REAL RACISTS!!!! whenever a wingnut says something egregiously racist.

No, it’s worse than that VB, it’s actually her being racist thinking that all Latin countries are socialist or all Latinos are immigrants from those countries. This representative is an American born and bred. He just happens to be of Latino heritage and an ignorant. If he was Jason Van Damme, he’d still be an ignorant asshole.

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Higgs Boson's Mate  Oct 16, 2015 • 11:15:26am

They loves them some socialism when it bails out the banks, real estate industry and WS though, don’t they?

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GlutenFreeJesus  Oct 16, 2015 • 11:15:37am
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Nyet  Oct 16, 2015 • 11:15:43am

re: #47 HappyWarrior

Heritage, race, ethnicity don’t have anything to do with most arguments. It’s a logical fallacy in most cases to appeal to those. Dana should stfu.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 16, 2015 • 11:15:49am

re: #49 KGxvi

I think she’s accusing white liberals of whitesplaing something to a man who happens to be Latino. Of course, it completely misses the point because said Latino man never actually lived in a totalitarian socialist regime… so, yeah, she’s being an imbecile, again.

Right.

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Amory Blaine  Oct 16, 2015 • 11:16:46am

re: #43 Nyet

Erm. What does being white or Hispanic has to do with anything? Is Dana being an imbecile again? Why am I asking rhetorical questions?

Did you have your morning coffee yet?

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gocart mozart  Oct 16, 2015 • 11:16:57am

re: #43 Nyet

1. Nothing
2. Yes
3. I don’t know

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Nyet  Oct 16, 2015 • 11:17:21am

re: #49 KGxvi

I think she’s accusing white liberals of whitesplaing something to a man who happens to be Latino. Of course, it completely misses the point because said Latino man never actually lived in a totalitarian socialist regime… so, yeah, she’s being an imbecile, again.

It wouldn’t actually matter had he lived in any of those regimes. He wouldn’t have been even a little bit more correct.

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KGxvi  Oct 16, 2015 • 11:17:35am

re: #51 Higgs Boson’s Mate

there was a decent bloc of conservatives that were willing to let the banks fail. Because at the end of the day, Donny, these men are nihilists.

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Nyet  Oct 16, 2015 • 11:17:50am

re: #55 Amory Blaine

Did you have your morning coffee yet?

It’s evening…

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HappyWarrior  Oct 16, 2015 • 11:18:02am

re: #53 Nyet

Heritage, race, ethnicity don’t have anything to do with most arguments. It’s a logical fallacy in most cases to appeal to those. Dana should stfu.

Absolutely. That’s why I made the joke about myself since I have heritage in some places that experienced communism and some that did not. But besides that joke, this guy is about as American as the average Lizard is. Dana actually showed herself to be a bigot here with here dfense of him MO.

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Nyet  Oct 16, 2015 • 11:18:44am

re: #55 Amory Blaine

Oh, you remind me, I should watch The Voices today.

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KGxvi  Oct 16, 2015 • 11:19:04am

re: #57 Nyet

fair point about what he actually said. i was focused more on Dana’s stupidity.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 16, 2015 • 11:19:44am

Sergey is right though. Even if he were from a country that experienced socialism and tyranny, he’d be wrong. I am sure there were some people who fled dictatorships that ahd crazy things to say about Bush being like Hitler too and that didn’t make them right or immune from criticism.

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No Country For Old Haters  Oct 16, 2015 • 11:20:21am

re: #8 The Vicious Babushka

Oh and Dana Muhguns is standing up for that idiot in Texas who compared Bernie Sanders to Hitler.

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gocart mozart  Oct 16, 2015 • 11:20:58am

re: #45 Charles Johnson

North Korea must be a democracy because their official name is “Democratic People’s Republic of Korea.”

Those Populist Republicans are the worst.

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Amory Blaine  Oct 16, 2015 • 11:21:00am

re: #61 Nyet

Cool. I’m going to watch Goodnight Mommy. I’ll let you know how it is.

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Nyet  Oct 16, 2015 • 11:22:05am

re: #64 HappyWarrior

Which is why ad hominem (positive or negative) is considered a fallacy in most cases (with some very specific exceptions).

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gocart mozart  Oct 16, 2015 • 11:22:59am

re: #63 The Vicious Babushka

First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Socialist.

Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Trade Unionist.

Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Jew.

Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 16, 2015 • 11:23:04am

re: #68 Nyet

Which is why ad hominem (positive or negative) is considered a fallacy in most cases (with some very specific exceptions).

Yep.

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lawhawk  Oct 16, 2015 • 11:23:32am

Speaking of asterisks running for the WH:

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HappyWarrior  Oct 16, 2015 • 11:24:42am

re: #69 gocart mozart

It always amused me to see Glenn Beck reciting that poem while ignoring that he hates socialists and trade union members. Honestly, a lot of historians think based on what people who knew him then heard, Hitler hated the socialists and trade unions before the Jews. Hitler wasn’t explicitly antisemitic until after WWI while he had raged against trade unions and socialists before then.

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gocart mozart  Oct 16, 2015 • 11:24:56am

re: #69 gocart mozart

Republicans hate socialists and trade unions almost as much …

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No Country For Old Haters  Oct 16, 2015 • 11:25:11am

re: #28 gocart mozart

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HappyWarrior  Oct 16, 2015 • 11:25:14am

re: #71 lawhawk

Speaking of asterisks running for the WH:

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That should be the Incredible Shrieking Man because that’s all I hear when Jindal talks.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 16, 2015 • 11:25:52am

re: #73 gocart mozart

Republicans hate socialists and trade unions almost as much …

Ergo! But because I am not a historically insensitive asshole I won’t do that because I believe Hitler was like Hitler.

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No Country For Old Haters  Oct 16, 2015 • 11:26:56am

re: #31 lawhawk

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HappyWarrior  Oct 16, 2015 • 11:27:20am

Here’s what the Nazis were. The killers of millions of men, women, and children. A guy who wants to make education more affordable for less well off kids is nothing close to that and I will add neither is someone opposed to SSM.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 16, 2015 • 11:29:24am

The Nazis are NOT your bag to punch when you want to compare whatever ideology you don’t like to them. Show some fucking respect not just to the men and women who fought against them but also the men, women, and children who died because of them. Sorry rant over. I can’t describe how much I hate that crap and I will bring it up but I did have family killed by them and I am sure I had some distant relatives that may have been them.

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Mattand  Oct 16, 2015 • 11:29:52am

Is this live? We can edit this, right?

Jesus Christ, Rand. What is wrong with you?

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HappyWarrior  Oct 16, 2015 • 11:31:22am

re: #80 Mattand

Is this live? We can edit this, right?

Jesus Christ, Rand. What is wrong with you?

Aside from everything, not much, he’s never going to be president though.

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goddamnedfrank  Oct 16, 2015 • 11:32:46am
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Nyet  Oct 16, 2015 • 11:33:26am

The Republican version:

First they came for the Socialists, and I helped to identify the Nazi traitors-
Because I was not a fucking pinko Moslem commie.

Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I spoke out: “Need more bullets?” —
Because I fucking hated these fascists.

Then they came for the Jews, and I said “I love Jews and Israel, but you can take all the Dem-voting East coast liberal elite scum for all I care” -
Because they were not the real Jews.

Then they came for me—and we had a grand old party.

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Kid A  Oct 16, 2015 • 11:33:30am

Montgomery County, Texas, is the reddest county in the state, EASILY. Gadsden flag? Check. “I stand with Ted Cruz”? Check. Courageous conservative leadership? Check. But he won’t get elected because his billboard doesn’t say “Obama sucks.”

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HappyWarrior  Oct 16, 2015 • 11:35:20am

re: #82 goddamnedfrank

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Jeb’s thinking how much longer do I have to this shit until the party faithful finally buy me?

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Amory Blaine  Oct 16, 2015 • 11:36:26am

Man if I had the cash I’d erect some billboards that would make the RWNJ ones look like baby food ads.

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thecommodore  Oct 16, 2015 • 11:37:29am

...

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Amory Blaine  Oct 16, 2015 • 11:37:44am

re: #82 goddamnedfrank

That picture screams “I like lamp”.

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Joe Bacon  Oct 16, 2015 • 11:38:43am

re: #82 goddamnedfrank

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It’s only a matter of time before Jeb sticks that grenade up his ass…

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goddamnedfrank  Oct 16, 2015 • 11:40:00am
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Nyet  Oct 16, 2015 • 11:40:30am

The Apparition of the Holy Hand-Grenade of Antioch!

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HappyWarrior  Oct 16, 2015 • 11:40:31am

Jeb really to sound Churchillian about it has all his father and brother’s weakneses but none of their strengths. This is a good thing. We don’t need another Bush especialy the one who may be the biggest asshole.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 16, 2015 • 11:40:57am

re: #90 goddamnedfrank

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That is, that is perfect.

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allegro  Oct 16, 2015 • 11:41:06am

re: #82 goddamnedfrank

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He’s trying to looker tougher than Webb. “Oh, you killed a guy? I can kill more! See?”

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goddamnedfrank  Oct 16, 2015 • 11:43:32am
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Higgs Boson's Mate  Oct 16, 2015 • 11:43:35am

re: #90 goddamnedfrank

Where is Rick Santorum, now that we need him?

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Nyet  Oct 16, 2015 • 11:43:48am

Since I didn’t watch any debates, I missed the fact that Webb bragged about killing someone. Gah.

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wrenchwench  Oct 16, 2015 • 11:44:39am

re: #97 Nyet

Since I didn’t watch any debates, I missed the fact that Webb bragged about killing someone. Gah.

You gotta go look for the smile he made when he told it.

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gocart mozart  Oct 16, 2015 • 11:45:05am

Because I am a dick:

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Nyet  Oct 16, 2015 • 11:45:35am

re: #98 wrenchwench

sigh

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HappyWarrior  Oct 16, 2015 • 11:45:51am

re: #99 gocart mozart

Because I am a dick:

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She honestly deserves it.

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Higgs Boson's Mate  Oct 16, 2015 • 11:46:35am

re: #97 Nyet

Since I didn’t watch any debates, I missed the fact that Webb bragged about killing someone. Gah.

Webb was a combatant in a shooting war and he killed someone? That never happened to anyone I know.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 16, 2015 • 11:46:50am

re: #100 Nyet

sigh

How do you think I feel? I actually voted for the guy. AT that time, though he ran as a critic of the Bush FP.

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Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Oct 16, 2015 • 11:48:47am

re: #84 Kid A

Montgomery County, Texas, is the reddest county in the state, EASILY. Gadsden flag? Check. “I stand with Ted Cruz”? Check. Courageous conservative leadership? Check. But he won’t get elected because his billboard doesn’t say “Obama sucks.”

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Also where is the #TGDN #LNYHBT?

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wrenchwench  Oct 16, 2015 • 11:49:16am

re: #103 HappyWarrior

How do you think I feel? I actually voted for the guy. AT that time, though he ran as a critic of the Bush FP.

I don’t think bad of him. He’s glad that, in a case of ‘him or me’ — he came out alive. Just not the thing for TV with Democrats.

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Nyet  Oct 16, 2015 • 11:49:31am

This defense by his son is misguided. It’s not about the killing itself, obviously.

washingtonpost.com

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HappyWarrior  Oct 16, 2015 • 11:51:00am

re: #105 wrenchwench

I don’t think bad of him. He’s glad that, in a case of ‘him or me’ — he came out alive. Just not the thing for TV with Democrats.

True, I do have a bigger problem with some o the stuff that I’ve learned that h wrote aout women in the service though.

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wrenchwench  Oct 16, 2015 • 11:53:28am

re: #106 Nyet

This defense by his son is misguided. It’s not about the killing itself, obviously.

washingtonpost.com

‘The Smile’ is on the video there.

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thecommodore  Oct 16, 2015 • 11:53:59am

re: #1 The Vicious Babushka

It’s just a riff on all the wingnut memes that compare Obama to Hitler.

As well as saying that liberalism is Communism, and unconstitutional.

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wrenchwench  Oct 16, 2015 • 11:56:21am

Oh, Arizona. The horrors!

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HappyWarrior  Oct 16, 2015 • 11:57:03am

re: #110 wrenchwench

Oh, Arizona. The horrors!

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Dude, just dude. Now I want baklava.

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Nyet  Oct 16, 2015 • 12:00:23pm

Deep-fried pakhlava, anyone?

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goddamnedfrank  Oct 16, 2015 • 12:00:58pm
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HappyWarrior  Oct 16, 2015 • 12:01:43pm

re: #113 goddamnedfrank

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Jeb doesn’t know what we’re yelling about!

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Eclectic Cyborg  Oct 16, 2015 • 12:03:51pm

re: #113 goddamnedfrank

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“Well the jerk store called and they ran out of you!”

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Nyet  Oct 16, 2015 • 12:08:38pm

Jes’ look at the f’n photos. You know you want to.

meduza.io

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goddamnedfrank  Oct 16, 2015 • 12:09:18pm
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Shiplord Kirel  Oct 16, 2015 • 12:09:45pm

re: #106 Nyet

This defense by his son is misguided. It’s not about the killing itself, obviously.

washingtonpost.com

War is hell. It is very hard for me to relate to this behavior by Webb or the defense by his son. I, too, am a veteran. I have never been able to describe personally killing someone to an audience of civilians. I still can’t, except to say better them than me or my friends. I can say that I have tried to make my life worth what it cost to preserve it.

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Nyet  Oct 16, 2015 • 12:10:24pm

re: #116 Nyet

The twitter feed is also worthy.

twitter.com

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thecommodore  Oct 16, 2015 • 12:16:11pm

re: #8 The Vicious Babushka

Oh and Dana Muhguns is standing up for that idiot in Texas who compared Bernie Sanders to Hitler.

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This is that idiotic “hitler was a leftist” twaddle. Fascism is right wing. Period.

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Lidane  Oct 16, 2015 • 12:17:14pm

re: #120 thecommodore

This is that idiotic “hitler was a leftist” twaddle. Fascism is right wing. Period.

I blame the Doughy Pantload (i.e., Jonah Goldberg) for that stupidity. He wrote an entire book babbling about how the liberals were the real Nazis.

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Nyet  Oct 16, 2015 • 12:18:25pm

Mind somewhat blown.

GO ON. Fruits from Moldova.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 16, 2015 • 12:19:17pm

re: #121 Lidane

I blame the Doughy Pantload (i.e., Jonah Goldberg) for that stupidity. He wrote an entire book babbling about how the liberals were the real Nazis.

I do too. It’s such an insidious and ignorant lie. Of course, NRO where Jonah works has hied some people quite sympathetic to a key aspect of Nazism.

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Kragar  Oct 16, 2015 • 12:19:31pm

This asshole at work is tossing out a crapload of taskings and trying to claim that they’re all HIGH PRIORITY to get around the regular procedures.

1) The might be high priority due to the fact some of the tasks were scheduled to be completed weeks ago and the guy is just now getting around to them.

2) Good luck trying to get shit done when you’re sending this shit out late on a Friday afternoon when half the people you’re looking for are on the East Coast and probably already on their way home.

Stupid motherfucker.

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allegro  Oct 16, 2015 • 12:20:14pm

re: #118 Shiplord Kirel

War is hell. It is very hard for me to relate to this behavior by Webb or the defense by his son. I, too, am a veteran. I have never been able to describe personally killing someone to an audience of civilians. I still can’t, except to say better them than me or my friends. I can say that I have tried to make my life worth what it cost to preserve it.

What struck me was that it was a question about an accomplishment that one was most proud of. Granted, it was about an enemy one was most proud to make - apparently he only heard the word “enemy” and went instantly to “kill it.” No matter how I try to parse his answer to make it more palatable, I can’t. It has nothing to do with the appropriateness of his action on the battlefield during a war 40 years ago and everything to do with how he felt that answer was appropriate for that question right now.

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Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Oct 16, 2015 • 12:21:26pm

re: #124 Kragar

This asshole at work is tossing out a crapload of taskings and trying to claim that they’re all HIGH PRIORITY to get around the regular procedures.

1) The might be high priority due to the fact some of the tasks were scheduled to be completed weeks ago and the guy is just now getting around to them.

2) Good luck trying to get shit done when you’re sending this shit out late on a Friday afternoon when half the people you’re looking for are on the East Coast and probably already on their way home.

Stupid motherfucker.

“Hi Kragar, What’s happening? Yeah I’m gonna need you to come in tomorrow. And oh yeah, I’m gonna need you to come in on Sunday, too, gotta catch up on some things. Thanks.”

/

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Stanley Sea Toujours  Oct 16, 2015 • 12:21:35pm

re: #116 Nyet

Jes’ look at the f’n photos. You know you want to.

meduza.io

Weasels?

Very cuteee

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GlutenFreeJesus  Oct 16, 2015 • 12:22:02pm

Mass genocide, for failed Republican policy.

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Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Oct 16, 2015 • 12:22:46pm

re: #113 goddamnedfrank

There a few things I enjoy more than some hot wingnut on wingnut action.

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allegro  Oct 16, 2015 • 12:22:50pm

re: #127 Stanley Sea Toujours

Weasels?

Very cuteee

Ferrets. :)

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Lidane  Oct 16, 2015 • 12:25:18pm

I’m digging this guy:

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allegro  Oct 16, 2015 • 12:26:38pm

re: #131 Lidane

I’m digging this guy:

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Only because they insist on living lives of luxury by having refrigerators.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 16, 2015 • 12:27:01pm

re: #131 Lidane

I’m digging this guy:

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He really says a lot that needs to be said. My worry would be how he’d deal with Congress but ideologically e is just so right on about what needs to be said and for that the asshole Republicans liken him to Hitler and Stalin.

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Lidane  Oct 16, 2015 • 12:28:14pm

re: #132 allegro

Only because they insist on living lives of luxury by having refrigerators.

Refrigerators. Air conditioning. A cell phone! How dare people want to be able to keep their food from spoiling, or not die in a heat wave, or have a way for potential employers to contact them.

/GOP logic

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Romantic Heretic  Oct 16, 2015 • 12:28:29pm

Just came onto LGF and saw the headline.

My first thought? Mr. Paul? Genocide is more likely to happen under you and your teahadi fellow travellers than Bernie Sanders.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 16, 2015 • 12:30:22pm

The right thinks because American poverty line poverty isn’t abject like say in India that poor people shouldn’t complain. Such a shitty line of thinking and not even original since it’s a riff of that asshole Reagan talking about “young bucks” and tbone steaks.

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thecommodore  Oct 16, 2015 • 12:30:27pm

re: #121 Lidane

I blame the Doughy Pantload (i.e., Jonah Goldberg) for that stupidity. He wrote an entire book babbling about how the liberals were the real Nazis.

Glenn Beck helped to propagate that too. He had a multi-part special called “The Revolutionary Holocaust” back in 2010 that was hours and hours of grade A derp.

glennbeck.com

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The Vicious Babushka  Oct 16, 2015 • 12:33:17pm

re: #69 gocart mozart

Funny how that quote does not say “First they came for the guns… and then I regretted that I turned in my guns.”

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Higgs Boson's Mate  Oct 16, 2015 • 12:33:57pm

re: #134 Lidane

Refrigerators. Air conditioning. A cell phone! How dare people want to be able to keep their food from spoiling, or not die in a heat wave, or have a way for potential employers to contact them.

/GOP logic

Gosh, I took it to mean that they wouldn’t complain if we taxed them until they were only better off than, say, 90% of the world’s population.

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b_sharp  Oct 16, 2015 • 12:34:59pm

re: #116 Nyet

Jes’ look at the f’n photos. You know you want to.

meduza.io

The ferrets were waiting till the cat fattened up.

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Jay C  Oct 16, 2015 • 12:35:00pm

re: #132 allegro

Only because they insist on living lives of luxury by having refrigerators.

Or luxurious fripperies like food, clothing or shelter…

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Nyet  Oct 16, 2015 • 12:35:52pm

re: #140 b_sharp

“Soon.”

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HappyWarrior  Oct 16, 2015 • 12:36:07pm

Americans are taxed much less than Canadians, Israelis, or Europeans but you don’t see me acting like we shouldn’t be able to complain about taxes because of that. Such a stupid meme.

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Lidane  Oct 16, 2015 • 12:36:48pm

re: #133 HappyWarrior

He really says a lot that needs to be said. My worry would be how he’d deal with Congress but ideologically e is just so right on about what needs to be said and for that the asshole Republicans liken him to Hitler and Stalin.

He’s been in Congress long enough to know most of the people there and how to deal with them. I think he’d be fine.

I’m just happy to see someone out there saying what needs to be said. I may just end up giving Bernie my vote in the primary.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 16, 2015 • 12:37:42pm

re: #144 Lidane

He’s been in Congress long enough to know most of the people there and how to deal with them. I think he’d be fine.

I’m just happy to see someone out there saying what needs to be said.

That is a good point and I’ll point out he was mayor of a town so he does have some executive experience too. Obviously Burlington, Vermont is different than D.C in the kinds of interests nad personalities he’d have to deal with but it’s not like he’s never been in charge of a government before.

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wrenchwench  Oct 16, 2015 • 12:38:33pm

Unfortunately, it was just a prop for Tina Fey’s Netflix series, Unbreakable Kimmy Schmidt, according to ABC News. (Maybe it’s time for pizza rat to get his own TV show?)

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The Vicious Babushka  Oct 16, 2015 • 12:39:30pm

re: #134 Lidane

Refrigerators. Air conditioning. A cell phone! How dare people want to be able to keep their food from spoiling, or not die in a heat wave, or have a way for potential employers to contact them.

/GOP logic

A Twitter account that tweets out mostly Liberal memes, crapped out this Koch turd today:
I have suspected that it is just an automatic retweet bot

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Romantic Heretic  Oct 16, 2015 • 12:39:35pm

re: #84 Kid A

Montgomery County, Texas, is the reddest county in the state, EASILY. Gadsden flag? Check. “I stand with Ted Cruz”? Check. Courageous conservative leadership? Check. But he won’t get elected because his billboard doesn’t say “Obama sucks.”

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Can a person actually use his military position in a campaign? Or is he a ‘militia Colonel’? Or did his parents just hate him?

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HappyWarrior  Oct 16, 2015 • 12:40:00pm

re: #138 The Vicious Babushka

Funny how that quote does not say “First they came for the guns… and then I regretted that I turned in my guns.”

Poem, but really the whole blame the Nazis for gun control is a relative new tactic that’s become common as the Holocaust becomes more a distant memory and we don’t have elected officials who would have been liberators of the camps.

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Patricia Kayden  Oct 16, 2015 • 12:40:03pm

re: #97 Nyet

Since I didn’t watch any debates, I missed the fact that Webb bragged about killing someone. Gah.

Not just anyone — a Communist!!

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Eclectic Cyborg  Oct 16, 2015 • 12:42:14pm

Higher taxes = less money for RWNJs to buy guns with…

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b_sharp  Oct 16, 2015 • 12:42:59pm

re: #143 HappyWarrior

Americans are taxed much less than Canadians, Israelis, or Europeans but you don’t see me acting like we shouldn’t be able to complain about taxes because of that. Such a stupid meme.

Tax by itself is a false metric. How those taxes affect spending power is much better, however that isn’t as catchy a talking point.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 16, 2015 • 12:43:06pm

You wouldn’t have gotten away with that crap with the war a more closer memory because politicians of both parties would have fought in it and known how offensive it would be to compare a policy difference to the enemy of a war that we had recently fought. Unfortunately, as time goes on, the memory gets dimmer and it becomes more easy to throw out stupid comps. Take income tax and slavery. The income tax nowadays is derided by its critics as being like slavery. There were certainly criticis of the income tax amendment but there weren’t many idiots who made outlandish comments that the income tax was akin to slavery.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 16, 2015 • 12:43:30pm

re: #152 b_sharp

Tax by itself is a false metric. How those taxes affect spending power is much better, however that isn’t as catchy a talking point.

Absolutely.

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Patricia Kayden  Oct 16, 2015 • 12:43:49pm

re: #131 Lidane

I’m digging this guy:

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Although I do not believe that Senator Sanders will win the Democratic nomination, I’m really glad he is running. In my opinion, he drags Secretary Clinton to the Left and forces her to engage in serious policy discussions while campaigning. In most other western countries, the fact that he is a socialist would be a non-issue. In Canada, we have parties which are much further to the left than the Democrats and it’s no big deal.

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b_sharp  Oct 16, 2015 • 12:44:23pm

re: #147 The Vicious Babushka

A Twitter account that tweets out mostly Liberal memes, crapped out this Koch turd today:
I have suspected that it is just an automatic retweet bot

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Are they suggesting people should wait for the US to become a 3rd world country before complaining?

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Big Beautiful Door  Oct 16, 2015 • 12:44:54pm

re: #147 The Vicious Babushka

A Twitter account that tweets out mostly Liberal memes, crapped out this Koch turd today:
I have suspected that it is just an automatic retweet bot

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I think the Kochs have all of that; they should quit bellyaching about paying higher taxes to provide for healthcare, family leave and a college education for their fellow Americans.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 16, 2015 • 12:45:00pm

re: #155 Patricia Kayden

Although I do not believe that Senator Sanders will win the Democratic nomination, I’m really glad he is running. In my opinion, he drags Secretary Clinton to the Left and forces her to engage in serious policy discussions while campaigning. In most other western countries, the fact that he is a socialist would be a non-issue. In Canada, we have parties which are much further to the left than the Democrats and it’s no big deal.

This is my hope as well. He’s forcing a conversation that needs to be had and hopefully in the process gets a lot of Americans over their irrational fear and belief that any socialism is lke the USSR and PRC.

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TedStriker  Oct 16, 2015 • 12:45:25pm

re: #2 The Vicious Babushka

I said downstairs:

You know what would cause mass democide?

Unregulated Ayn Randian free market driving down wages, mass unemployment or people working for poverty pay, and the inevitable uprising of desperate, starving people which would be brutally crushed by private armies.

For Rand and his fellow Randians, that’s a feature, not a bug.

Fuck them.

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Jay C  Oct 16, 2015 • 12:45:31pm

re: #147 The Vicious Babushka

IIJM, but do idiotic memes like this that like to stress the economic aspects of “Appreciate what you have” always seem to carry the unmistakable coda of “And make sure nobody else gets any of it”??

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b_sharp  Oct 16, 2015 • 12:46:16pm

re: #147 The Vicious Babushka

A Twitter account that tweets out mostly Liberal memes, crapped out this Koch turd today:
I have suspected that it is just an automatic retweet bot

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So people should be viewing their state relative to 3rd world countries but not the richest 1% in their own country?

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Nyet  Oct 16, 2015 • 12:46:16pm

re: #147 The Vicious Babushka

The message of the meme is quite ambiguous. Could be interpreted in opposite ways.

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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Oct 16, 2015 • 12:46:24pm

When you have a command economy

my apologies for sounding like a broken record, but it is long overdue for the democratic party candidates to make the difference between totalitarian state socialism and the democratic socialism practised by every modern country crystal clear

if we dont we will be choking on it all through the election

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HappyWarrior  Oct 16, 2015 • 12:47:21pm

re: #160 Jay C

IIJM, but do idiotic memes like this that like to stress the economic aspects of “Appreciate what you have” always seem to carry the unmistakable coda of “And make sure nobody else gets any of it”??

That’s frankly what a lot of conservatism seems to me to be about- I got mine, fuck you seems to be the prevailing attitude. I see Republican candidates who it is common knowledge benefited from the same government programs that they want to either dramatically weaken or get rid of.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 16, 2015 • 12:48:15pm

re: #163 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸

When you have a command economy

my apologies for sounding like a broken record, but it is long overdue for the democratic party candidates to make the difference between totalitarian state socialism and the democratic socialism practised by every modern country crystal clear

if we dont we will be choking on it all through the election

I am sure Sanders can and has done that. But yes, so many Americans convince themselves that totalitiarian state socialism and democratic socialism are the same thing.

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Shiplord Kirel  Oct 16, 2015 • 12:48:49pm

re: #149 HappyWarrior

Poem, but really the whole blame the Nazis for gun control is a relative new tactic that’s become common as the Holocaust becomes more a distant memory and we don’t have elected officials who would have been liberators of the camps.

I can imagine how Eisenhower would respond to this nonsense.
“Yeah, we had guns when we liberated the camps, millions of them, in fact, including thousands that fired huge shells rather bullets. We also had thousands of tanks and planes, and we used 20 million dollars worth of ammunition a day, at a time when 20 million was real money. It still took us 10 months and a quarter of a million dead and wounded to fight our way into those camps. And now they think the Jews could have held off the Nazis with a few rifles and shotguns? When did people get that stupid?”

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wrenchwench  Oct 16, 2015 • 12:48:50pm

re: #161 b_sharp

So people should be viewing their state relative to 3rd world countries but not the richest 1% in their own country?

No, they’re saying they don’t need to listen to any complaints until people are dropping dead in the street.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 16, 2015 • 12:50:01pm

re: #166 Shiplord Kirel

I can imagine how Eisenhower would respond to this nonsense.
“Yeah, we had guns when we liberated the camps, millions of them, in fact, including thousands that fired huge shells rather bullets. We also had thousands of tanks and planes, and we used 20 million dollars worth of ammunition a day, at a time when 20 million was real money. It still took us 10 months and a quarter of a million dead and wounded to fight our way into those camps. And now they think the Jews could have held off the Nazis with a few rifles and shotguns? When did people get that stupid?”

Right, it’s just so moronic.

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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Oct 16, 2015 • 12:52:38pm

re: #166 Shiplord Kirel

I can imagine how Eisenhower would respond to this nonsense.
“Yeah, we had guns when we liberated the camps, millions of them, in fact, including thousands that fired huge shells rather bullets. We also had thousands of tanks and planes, and we used 20 million dollars worth of ammunition a day, at a time when 20 million was real money. It still took us 10 months and a quarter of a million dead and wounded to fight our way into those camps. And now they think the Jews could have held off the Nazis with a few rifles and shotguns? When did people get that stupid?”

not to mention how much the soviet union had to sacrifice in blood and treasure to eliminate the nazi war machine from its territory

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Kragar  Oct 16, 2015 • 12:53:27pm

re: #156 b_sharp

Ming the Merciless: “They’ll be more tractable. Easier for you to rule, in the name of Ming.”

Flash Gordon: “You mean slaves?”

Ming the Merciless: “Let’s say ‘satisfied with less’.”

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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Oct 16, 2015 • 12:54:16pm

im afraid the reality might be that three years from now people will be asking why president trump has failed to expel all spanish speaking people and muslims from the united states

also when will the damn wall be finished?

and why protectionism has led to massive Trump-flation

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HappyWarrior  Oct 16, 2015 • 12:55:22pm

re: #169 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸

not to mention how much the soviet union had to sacrifice in blood and treasure to eliminate the nazi war machine from its territory

I’ll put it another way. We (the Western allies) had to pair up with Stalin who is up there in evil with Hitler to destroy the Nazis. SAying more guns would have stopped the Nazis is such a great simplification of the actual history. And then you have guys like Keith Ablow that make it worse with their insulting words for the European Jews saying that they just let themselves be murdered without resistance.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 16, 2015 • 12:56:13pm

re: #171 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸

im afraid the reality might be that three years from now people will be asking why president trump has failed to expel all spanish speaking people and muslims from the united states

also when will the damn wall be finished?

and why protectionism has led to massive Trump-flation

That’s why we can’t elect him and why his party needs to be repudiated at the polls.

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Kragar  Oct 16, 2015 • 12:58:07pm
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lawhawk  Oct 16, 2015 • 12:58:36pm

re: #152 b_sharp

Tax by itself is a false metric. How those taxes affect spending power is much better, however that isn’t as catchy a talking point.

Doesn’t stop folks from thinking that flat tax is the best thing since sliced cheese, or that it effectively results in a massive redistribution of the tax burden from rich to everyone else. Or else it results in massive deficits. Or both - leaving the poor in an even worse situation because safety net services come under fire.

Oh, and I love how some folks think that Fair Tax will help everyone, including the little guy, because it’s not being proposed by the rich (ignoring who’s pushing the proposals, and who’d actually benefit the most - in gross and net terms).

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sffilk  Oct 16, 2015 • 12:59:47pm

This from a person who believes it’s OK to discriminate against people who are different. Charming! <snerk>

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Jay C  Oct 16, 2015 • 12:59:59pm

re: #166 Shiplord Kirel

I can imagine how Eisenhower would respond to this nonsense.

In real life, of course, the real-life Ike’s response would probably been something more like : “What are you, fucking kidding me??”

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Jebediah, RBG  Oct 16, 2015 • 1:00:09pm

re: #147 The Vicious Babushka

from the apparently dead thread:
Someone clever should re-do that meme - “If you keep your clothes in a 1,000 sq. ft. closet, if you have more cars than children” etc “you are richer than 99.999% of the world and should shut the fuck up about taxes.”

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HappyWarrior  Oct 16, 2015 • 1:00:57pm

All I needto know about conservatives and how they view the average schmo is how many of them want a high sales tax. The sales tax is that one tax tat efects us in our daily lives whether we’re buying gas, getting a burger, buying tickets for a show, or having a nice cold beer. This is a consumer based economy. A high sales tax would discourage consumption.

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Big Beautiful Door  Oct 16, 2015 • 1:01:53pm

re: #171 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸

im afraid the reality might be that three years from now people will be asking why president trump has failed to expel all spanish speaking people and muslims from the united states

also when will the damn wall be finished?

and why protectionism has led to massive Trump-flation

Trump won’t be elected President; its demographically impossible. His nomination will lock in the Hispanic vote for Hillary, ensuring she wins Florida, and without Florida its impossible for a Republican to get 270 electoral votes.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 16, 2015 • 1:03:34pm

re: #180 Big Beautiful Door

Trump won’t be elected President; its demographically impossible. His nomination will lock in the Hispanic vote for Hillary, ensuring she wins Florida, and without Florida its impossible for a Republican to get 270 electoral votes.

I really think that the math is really against the Republicans. Bear with me, even when Gore and Kerry had crappy campaigns, Bush still won by one state. The demographics are what will be the GOP’s undoing and they know it.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Oct 16, 2015 • 1:04:25pm

re: #179 HappyWarrior

All I needto know about conservatives and how they view the average schmo is how many of them want a high sales tax. The sales tax is that one tax tat efects us in our daily lives whether we’re buying gas, getting a burger, buying tickets for a show, or having a nice cold beer. This is a consumer based economy. A high sales tax would discourage consumption.

If yooz cent affurdz that, git a better jeorb, MOOCHER!

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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Oct 16, 2015 • 1:04:27pm

re: #180 Big Beautiful Door

Trump won’t be elected President; its demographically impossible. His nomination will lock in the Hispanic vote for Hillary, ensuring she wins Florida, and without Florida its impossible for a Republican to get 270 electoral votes.

i hope you’re right, but with turnout in american elections barely breaking 50%, the result depends a lot on turnout, and trump’s big advantage is that he gives all the morons a case of hotpants

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HappyWarrior  Oct 16, 2015 • 1:04:41pm

The Dems are grwoing in parts of the country that is growing like Latinos and single women. The GOP’s growth has been among older white Christians and rural residents.

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wrenchwench  Oct 16, 2015 • 1:05:56pm
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HappyWarrior  Oct 16, 2015 • 1:06:37pm

Now conversely although the math is against them, te same math I think means we won’t ever see the GP completed wipe out like Mondale, Goldwater, and McGovern were.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 16, 2015 • 1:07:11pm

re: #185 wrenchwench

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Why ever have Ann Coulter on? Honset quetsion. She offers nothing of substance just hate and more hate.

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lawhawk  Oct 16, 2015 • 1:08:12pm

re: #179 HappyWarrior

All I needto know about conservatives and how they view the average schmo is how many of them want a high sales tax. The sales tax is that one tax tat efects us in our daily lives whether we’re buying gas, getting a burger, buying tickets for a show, or having a nice cold beer. This is a consumer based economy. A high sales tax would discourage consumption.

Yeah, they all seem to ignore that folks with low income pay a higher percentage of their income/savings to goods/services than those who are rich.

You’d need to standardize definitions and treatment of goods and services. The Streamlined Sales Tax Project shows the limitations of even that, as some of the member states tax some stuff, but not others. And then you’d have to expand the tax base sufficiently or else the tax rate would be even higher than the 30% that would be a minimum so as to equal revenue from the departed income tax.

It is, in a word, BS. The tax rate would mean that on a car purchase, you’d be paying 30% more for the car - on top of the already existing taxes and fees.

You’d also force every state that piggybacks on the IRC to amend their laws to conform to the IRC before it was repealed, or else institute their own law (and that’s most states that have income taxes).

Sales taxes aren’t so easy to administer - just ask the states that have them. And there’s lots of rules promulgated to address them too.

Once you start talking about carve outs for food and other basics, because that’d affect the poor, other groups start demanding their own carveouts, and pretty soon you’ve got a scheme with all manner of reduced tax rates, exemptions, or other deductions that starts to look as complex as the IRC that they’re all clamoring to replace - because they know that a sales tax would be a massive tax cut for the rich.

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freetoken  Oct 16, 2015 • 1:08:33pm

re: #185 wrenchwench

Ratings are more important than virtue?

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GlutenFreeJesus  Oct 16, 2015 • 1:08:41pm

re: #180 Big Beautiful Door

That’s assuming Hispanics get out and actually vote in number. I am hoping they do.

The problem for the DNC, as always, is motivating people to vote. I know Bernie will step up and urge his followers to vote for Hillary, but whether they do or not? I’m not so sure. Therein lies the problem.

All the Republican candidates are the same, policy-wise. And that voting block will have no problem voting for whoever is their party’s choice.

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Big Beautiful Door  Oct 16, 2015 • 1:09:02pm

re: #183 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸

i hope you’re right, but with turnout in american elections barely breaking 50%, the result depends a lot on turnout, and trump’s big advantage is that he gives all the morons a case of hotpants

That is a good reason that Hillary should select someone like Castro as her VP; if over half of eligible Hispanics vote, she will win.

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Higgs Boson's Mate  Oct 16, 2015 • 1:09:16pm

re: #171 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸

im afraid the reality might be that three years from now people will be asking why president trump has failed to expel all spanish speaking people and muslims from the united states

also when will the damn wall be finished?

and why protectionism has led to massive Trump-flation

It appears that the people most likely to vote are in a mood to throw the bums out, including some of the most prominent people in their own party. We don’t have a great record of electing back-to-back Democratic presidents. It would be a comfort at this point to have a candidate who is charismatic, likeable, and a notable orator.

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Big Beautiful Door  Oct 16, 2015 • 1:10:35pm

re: #192 Higgs Boson’s Mate

It appears that the people most likely to vote are in a mood to throw the bums out, including some of the most prominent people in their own party. We don’t have a great record of electing back-to-back Democratic presidents. It would be a comfort at this point to have a candidate who is charismatic, likeable, and a notable orator.

Unfortunately the President can’t run again.

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freetoken  Oct 16, 2015 • 1:11:12pm

re: #171 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸

also when will the damn wall be finished?

The project ran into trouble when, in trying to build a wall down the middle of the Rio Grande for 600 miles, they discovered water wants to run downhill.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 16, 2015 • 1:11:25pm

re: #191 Big Beautiful Door

That is a good reason that Hillary should select someone like Castro as her VP; if over half of eligible Hispanics vote, she will win.

HE’s a great choice too. Comes from a state that will be competitive in the future and has some experience in and outside of Washington. Likable guy too. She’d be foolish not to vet him at least.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 16, 2015 • 1:12:40pm

I can see the GOP trying to make hay of his mother being a member of LA Raza but I think that would infuriate the Hispanic community.

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Higgs Boson's Mate  Oct 16, 2015 • 1:12:52pm

re: #193 Big Beautiful Door

Unfortunately the President can’t run again.

Seems as though the DNC didn’t know that.

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b_sharp  Oct 16, 2015 • 1:13:01pm

re: #175 lawhawk

Doesn’t stop folks from thinking that flat tax is the best thing since sliced cheese, or that it effectively results in a massive redistribution of the tax burden from rich to everyone else. Or else it results in massive deficits. Or both - leaving the poor in an even worse situation because safety net services come under fire.

Oh, and I love how some folks think that Fair Tax will help everyone, including the little guy, because it’s not being proposed by the rich (ignoring who’s pushing the proposals, and who’d actually benefit the most - in gross and net terms).

Create a larger poor population and you create tons of social problems that in today’s extremely mobile world affects even the well off.

It used to be that poor people, and their problems were segregated from the predominately white, well off, picket fence surrounded areas, so people of influence seldom saw the social problems. That’s where the false idea of an idyllic past comes from.

That won’t happen now.

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Big Beautiful Door  Oct 16, 2015 • 1:13:02pm

re: #195 HappyWarrior

HE’s a great choice too. Comes from a state that will be competitive in the future and has some experience in and outside of Washington. Likable guy too. She’d be foolish not to vet him at least.

She said in Texas this week that he will get serious consideration. Her VP definitely shouldn’t be some boring white guy like O’Malley.

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lawhawk  Oct 16, 2015 • 1:13:31pm
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A Mom Anon  Oct 16, 2015 • 1:15:23pm

Going OT, sort of, though this kind of speaks to some of the things Bernie Sanders talks about, and I need to vent. Grrr.

My son just finished up a program for adults with varying disabilities. He spent the last 6 months working in a store of a major grocery chain. Not as an official employee of that company but through the state via this program. Even though he trained and wore the uniform. The state paid his salary through this program. They also helped him prepare to put in an application for this chain online and gave him minimal coaching to help him through the interview process. He actually has been hired by the company now, which is good news. However this is what pisses me off to no end.

Before he can begin working he has to go through 20 hours of training at a facility over an hour from our home. To stock shelves for minimum wage. For less than 20 hours a week. The average will be 2-3 days of work a week, maybe 8 hour shifts probably less. He has been working in one of their stores for SIX MONTHS already, why on earth should he have to go through all this? He and I both have severe anxiety related to driving in fast moving or heavy traffic and the times of his training coincide with some of the worst traffic times in an area of Metro Atlanta notorious for accidents and traffic delays. It means I will have to take him there and wait for 4 hours one day and 8 hours the other two days. I am not making this trip 6 damned times instead of three so I have to wait on him. And let’s just say my Husband is being an ass and really unhelpful on this. So two people with Generalized Anxiety Disorder, in a car flying through traffic ought to be a blast.

This kind of crap is why companies can’t “afford” to pay their employees decent money. I wonder how much this freaking training costs per employee? I worked in retail for 25 yrs. We never did this shit, we brought people in, schooled them on basic policies and then they learned on the job. We also got paid more than minimum wage. WTF? Doing some digging into other companies and most of them do this now? Again, WTF? This is not complicated work, it’s entry level work and learn as you go. I could see if it was for management, or even cashiering, but for a part time stock clerk who has been doing the job for 6 months? Sigh. And this is going to cost me money I don’t have in gas, we’re not doing well at all financially, my husband hasn’t held a job beyond a couple independent contractor jobs since July 5.

All the work and training my son did is being dismissed as nothing and not counting for anything and it’s pissing me off. Sigh. Scream. Throw something…..sorry, I’m so frustrated right now I want to smack someone.

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lawhawk  Oct 16, 2015 • 1:15:31pm

America’s Lifeguard™ is in trouble.

Gov. Christie, your campaign efforts are falling apart. The red light on your campaign dashboard is flashing in the red. Time to pack it up and bring it home (where no one wants you either). Be gone already.

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allegro  Oct 16, 2015 • 1:15:51pm

re: #183 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸

i hope you’re right, but with turnout in american elections barely breaking 50%, the result depends a lot on turnout, and trump’s big advantage is that he gives all the morons a case of hotpants

I believe that if Trump’s numbers at their highest are analyzed the result would be the magic 27%. Those are the hotpants. Of the low info population, most of those know Trump and probably think he’s the asshole he is, going by his negatives. I’m not at all gonna get complacent or feel that GOTV isn’t an absolute imperative but I can’t get seriously spooked over a Trump candidacy either.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 16, 2015 • 1:15:59pm

re: #200 lawhawk

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He says his brother kept us safe yet mentions that we were attacked. Which the fuck is it, Jeb? Oh and Jeb you know damn well that if the president had been a Dem on 9-11, your party of dicks would be demanding impeachment. Hell some of shit flingers in your party blame Obama for that.

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Higgs Boson's Mate  Oct 16, 2015 • 1:16:19pm

re: #191 Big Beautiful Door

That is a good reason that Hillary should select someone like Castro as her VP; if over half of eligible Hispanics vote, she will win.

Castro should be up there now. He would be getting some exposure and gaining stature. His selection as VP would then look less like a bone thrown to Hispanics.

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b_sharp  Oct 16, 2015 • 1:17:05pm

re: #201 A Mom Anon

Going OT, sort of, though this kind of speaks to some of the things Bernie Sanders talks about, and I need to vent. Grrr.

My son just finished up a program for adults with varying disabilities. He spent the last 6 months working in a store of a major grocery chain. Not as an official employee of that company but through the state via this program. Even though he trained and wore the uniform. The state paid his salary through this program. They also helped him prepare to put in an application for this chain online and gave him minimal coaching to help him through the interview process. He actually has been hired by the company now, which is good news. However this is what pisses me off to no end.

Before he can begin working he has to go through 20 hours of training at a facility over an hour from our home. To stock shelves for minimum wage. For less than 20 hours a week. The average will be 2-3 days of work a week, maybe 8 hour shifts probably less. He has been working in one of their stores for SIX MONTHS already, why on earth should he have to go through all this? He and I both have severe anxiety related to driving in fast moving or heavy traffic and the times of his training coincide with some of the worst traffic times in an area of Metro Atlanta notorious for accidents and traffic delays. It means I will have to take him there and wait for 4 hours one day and 8 hours the other two days. I am not making this trip 6 damned times instead of three so I have to wait on him. And let’s just say my Husband is being an ass and really unhelpful on this. So two people with Generalized Anxiety Disorder, in a car flying through traffic ought to be a blast.

This kind of crap is why companies can’t “afford” to pay their employees decent money. I wonder how much this freaking training costs per employee? I worked in retail for 25 yrs. We never did this shit, we brought people in, schooled them on basic policies and then they learned on the job. We also got paid more than minimum wage. WTF? Doing some digging into other companies and most of them do this now? Again, WTF? This is not complicated work, it’s entry level work and learn as you go. I could see if it was for management, or even cashiering, but for a part time stock clerk who has been doing the job for 6 months? Sigh. And this is going to cost me money I don’t have in gas, we’re not doing well at all financially, my husband hasn’t held a job beyond a couple independent contractor jobs since July 5.

All the work and training my son did is being dismissed as nothing and not counting for anything and it’s pissing me off. Sigh. Scream. Throw something…..sorry, I’m so frustrated right now I want to smack someone.

{{{Mom}}}

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HappyWarrior  Oct 16, 2015 • 1:17:12pm

re: #199 Big Beautiful Door

She said in Texas this week that he will get serious consideration. Her VP definitely shouldn’t be some boring white guy like O’Malley.

I am glad to hear that. He should definitely be looked at. O’Malley should be considered for a cabinet spot but not VP. We’re going to get Maryland regardless and I don’t see him really getting out a part of the population that we need to win. Good enough guy IMO and I jokingly call him cousin but not who I want for VP.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 16, 2015 • 1:18:58pm

re: #201 A Mom Anon

Going OT, sort of, though this kind of speaks to some of the things Bernie Sanders talks about, and I need to vent. Grrr.

My son just finished up a program for adults with varying disabilities. He spent the last 6 months working in a store of a major grocery chain. Not as an official employee of that company but through the state via this program. Even though he trained and wore the uniform. The state paid his salary through this program. They also helped him prepare to put in an application for this chain online and gave him minimal coaching to help him through the interview process. He actually has been hired by the company now, which is good news. However this is what pisses me off to no end.

Before he can begin working he has to go through 20 hours of training at a facility over an hour from our home. To stock shelves for minimum wage. For less than 20 hours a week. The average will be 2-3 days of work a week, maybe 8 hour shifts probably less. He has been working in one of their stores for SIX MONTHS already, why on earth should he have to go through all this? He and I both have severe anxiety related to driving in fast moving or heavy traffic and the times of his training coincide with some of the worst traffic times in an area of Metro Atlanta notorious for accidents and traffic delays. It means I will have to take him there and wait for 4 hours one day and 8 hours the other two days. I am not making this trip 6 damned times instead of three so I have to wait on him. And let’s just say my Husband is being an ass and really unhelpful on this. So two people with Generalized Anxiety Disorder, in a car flying through traffic ought to be a blast.

This kind of crap is why companies can’t “afford” to pay their employees decent money. I wonder how much this freaking training costs per employee? I worked in retail for 25 yrs. We never did this shit, we brought people in, schooled them on basic policies and then they learned on the job. We also got paid more than minimum wage. WTF? Doing some digging into other companies and most of them do this now? Again, WTF? This is not complicated work, it’s entry level work and learn as you go. I could see if it was for management, or even cashiering, but for a part time stock clerk who has been doing the job for 6 months? Sigh. And this is going to cost me money I don’t have in gas, we’re not doing well at all financially, my husband hasn’t held a job beyond a couple independent contractor jobs since July 5.

All the work and training my son did is being dismissed as nothing and not counting for anything and it’s pissing me off. Sigh. Scream. Throw something…..sorry, I’m so frustrated right now I want to smack someone.

That is absolutely ridiculous. I am so sorry that you, your husband, and of course your son himself have to go through this.

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allegro  Oct 16, 2015 • 1:19:41pm

re: #195 HappyWarrior

HE’s a great choice too. Comes from a state that will be competitive in the future and has some experience in and outside of Washington. Likable guy too. She’d be foolish not to vet him at least.

She’s more than vetting him. He just introduced her at an Hispanic rally in San Antonio yesterday. They be talking fer reals.

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Kragar  Oct 16, 2015 • 1:20:03pm

So just got off the phone with the specialist. I go in Tuesday morning to get checked out.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 16, 2015 • 1:21:11pm

re: #205 Higgs Boson’s Mate

Castro should be up there now. He would be getting some exposure and gaining stature. His selection as VP would then look less like a bone thrown to Hispanics.

Right. I really do think he’s a good choice. I really don’t see any honest drawbacks with him. Does anyone have any other good ideas? I really don’t think any of other opponents are good choices. No way to Webb. Chaffee adds nothing. O’Malley again a nice guy but doesn’t add anything. Bernie, she should definitely go with someone younger though honestly if Bernie were a younger man, he’d be perfect but I don’t like the idea of a ticket with both over 65- not trying to be ageist there.

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Big Beautiful Door  Oct 16, 2015 • 1:21:24pm

re: #205 Higgs Boson’s Mate

Castro should be up there now. He would be getting some exposure and gaining stature. His selection as VP would then look less like a bone thrown to Hispanics.

Good point; he may not have won the nomination, but he sure would’ve been more exciting on the debate stage than Webb, O’Malley or Chafee. Warren would’ve been a nice addition as well.

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Targetpractice  Oct 16, 2015 • 1:21:30pm

re: #202 lawhawk

America’s LifeguardTM is in trouble.

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Gov. Christie, your campaign efforts are falling apart. The red light on your campaign dashboard is flashing in the red. Time to pack it up and bring it home (where no one wants you either). Be gone already.

2012 was Christie’s last realistic chance for the presidency, and only if he’d been as big a dick as possible to the President in the wake of Sandy. The moment he hugged the man and made friendly with him, his presidential ambitions died a very fitting death.

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Big Beautiful Door  Oct 16, 2015 • 1:21:48pm

re: #210 Kragar

So just got off the phone with the specialist. I go in Tuesday morning to get checked out.

Break a leg!

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freetoken  Oct 16, 2015 • 1:22:15pm

TYRANNY IN FRANCE!!

Famous French Weatherman Publicly Doubts Climate Change, Goes on ‘Forced Holiday’

A well-known French weatherman has been put on an indefinite “forced holiday” after writing a book criticizing climate-change research and saying that, even if it does exist, it will probably have some very positive effects, including more tourists, lower death rates, lower electricity bills in the winter, and higher-quality wine.

Philippe Verdier, famous for delivering nightly forecasts on the state-run news channel France 2, has authored a new book casting doubt on the research of world climatologists. Climat Investigation, which is set to be released in time for the December U.N. climate summit in Paris, claims that misleading climate data has “taken the world hostage.”

In a promo video for the new book, Verdier offers a teaser (translated by The Telegraph): “Every night I address five million French people to talk to you about the wind, the clouds, and the sun. And yet there is something important, very important that I haven’t been able to tell you, because it’s neither the time nor the place to do so.”

Verdier’s views led France Télévisions, the country’s state broadcaster, to take him off the air.

“I received a letter asking me not to come [to work],” Verdier said in an interview with French RTL radio. “This is a direct extension of what I say in my book, namely that any contrary views must be eliminated.”

[…]

Weathermen… are TV personalities. Yet to the average person they are supposed to be experts.

Anyway, in my opinion, even though he may have temporarily lost his TV gig, he trolled his employers perfectly. He is now a martyr and his book will be famous.

I suppose Rand Paul could use this example of SOCIALIST TOTALITARIANISM! silencing its critics.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 16, 2015 • 1:22:16pm

re: #209 allegro

She’s more than vetting him. He just introduced her at an Hispanic rally in San Antonio yesterday. They be talking fer reals.

That’s great to know. Speaking of San Antonio, you’re from Texas IIRC, definitely a city to visit right? My kid brother may get the chance to go there or a band concert and I am trying to talk him into doing it since when is he ever gong to get that kind of chance again and it’s certainly one I never got at that age.

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b_sharp  Oct 16, 2015 • 1:22:29pm

re: #210 Kragar

So just got off the phone with the specialist. I go in Tuesday morning to get checked out.

Good that it’s happening so quickly.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 16, 2015 • 1:22:42pm

re: #213 Targetpractice

2012 was Christie’s last realistic chance for the presidency, and only if he’d been as big a dick as possible to the President in the wake of Sandy. The moment he hugged the man and made friendly with him, his presidential ambitions died a very fitting death.

Of course, if he had been a dick to POTUS following Sandy, he’d be ex-Governor Christie I bet.

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b_sharp  Oct 16, 2015 • 1:22:58pm

re: #214 Big Beautiful Door

Break a leg!

He’ll be in the right place to get it looked at if he does.

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Targetpractice  Oct 16, 2015 • 1:23:12pm

re: #212 Big Beautiful Door

Good point; he may not have won the nomination, but he sure would’ve been more exciting on the debate stage than Webb, O’Malley or Chafee. Warren would’ve been a nice addition as well.

I have to disagree on Warren, she’s better off in the Senate, where she can actually continue to be an advocate for the American people and get shit done, than running on the campaign trail this year and getting mowed down by the Clinton campaign.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 16, 2015 • 1:23:18pm

re: #210 Kragar

So just got off the phone with the specialist. I go in Tuesday morning to get checked out.

Good luck man. You know we’re all rooting for you in this all the way.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 16, 2015 • 1:23:37pm

re: #220 Targetpractice

I have to disagree on Warren, she’s better off in the Senate, where she can actually continue to be an advocate for the American people and get shit done, than running on the campaign trail this year and getting mowed down by the Clinton campaign.

I have to agree with that as well.

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A Mom Anon  Oct 16, 2015 • 1:24:10pm

re: #210 Kragar

((((hugs and happy thoughts)))) I hope it’s something simple and easy to deal with. I never thought I’d be cheering for a cyst, but I am.

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Big Beautiful Door  Oct 16, 2015 • 1:24:26pm

re: #207 HappyWarrior

I am glad to hear that. He should definitely be looked at. O’Malley should be considered for a cabinet spot but not VP. We’re going to get Maryland regardless and I don’t see him really getting out a part of the population that we need to win. Good enough guy IMO and I jokingly call him cousin but not who I want for VP.

At this time in history the Democratic party should never again have two whites on the ticket, unless they are both absolutely exceptional and make the best possible ticket. African-Americans and Hispanics and also Asians are too important a part of our coalition to leave them out anymore.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 16, 2015 • 1:24:38pm

I think Hillary’s best choice for running mate would be someone young and fresh. Someone maybe not with the thickest record but someone who has potential. I’m gonna be pushing Julian. I really think he’s her best option. He’d be good for Bernie in the event he gets the nomination too.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Oct 16, 2015 • 1:24:40pm

re: #200 lawhawk

If something like 9/11 happened while Obama was President, the whole GOP would be calling for his impeachment and arrest.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 16, 2015 • 1:25:07pm

re: #224 Big Beautiful Door

At this time in history the Democratic party should never again have two whites on the ticket, unless they are both absolutely exceptional and make the best possible ticket. African-Americans and Hispanics and also Asians are too important a part of our coalition to leave them out anymore.

Yes Asians too certainly.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 16, 2015 • 1:25:25pm

re: #226 GlutenFreeJesus

If something like 9/11 happened while Obama was President, the whole GOP would be calling for his impeachment and arrest.

For sure.

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iossarian  Oct 16, 2015 • 1:25:30pm

re: #226 GlutenFreeJesus

If something like 9/11 happened while Obama was President, the whole GOP would be calling for his impeachment and arrest.

Can you imagine?

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Big Beautiful Door  Oct 16, 2015 • 1:26:34pm

re: #220 Targetpractice

I have to disagree on Warren, she’s better off in the Senate, where she can actually continue to be an advocate for the American people and get shit done, than running on the campaign trail this year and getting mowed down by the Clinton campaign.

Sorry, nothings getting done in the Senate with the GOP in control except the absolute minimum necessary to keep the government from shutting down.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 16, 2015 • 1:26:50pm

re: #229 iossarian

Can you imagine?

It would be Benghazi times 2356

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Targetpractice  Oct 16, 2015 • 1:27:04pm

re: #225 HappyWarrior

I think Hillary’s best choice for running mate would be someone young and fresh. Someone maybe not with the thickest record but someone who has potential. I’m gonna be pushing Julian. I really think he’s her best option. He’d be good for Bernie in the event he gets the nomination too.

I’d hoped for one of the Castro brothers to be out there running this year, so to see Julian being treated as a serious VP choice tells me they have bright futures in the party. A total departure from the BS we’ve been told again and again about how the GOP is in a better position because it has so much “fresh blood” at the state and local levels. Of course, these were some of the same voices who thought Scott Walker had a serious chance at being president.

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allegro  Oct 16, 2015 • 1:27:10pm

re: #216 HappyWarrior

That’s great to know. Speaking of San Antonio, you’re from Texas IIRC, definitely a city to visit right? My kid brother may get the chance to go there or a band concert and I am trying to talk him into doing it since when is he ever gong to get that kind of chance again and it’s certainly one I never got at that age.

I love San Antonio and never miss an opportunity to visit the city. The River Walk is a must for one evening at least.

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freetoken  Oct 16, 2015 • 1:27:20pm

I still believe that climate change is too slow for the collective human decision making process to act in a mitigating fashion. Which is why nothing of real substance has happened on the mitigating front.

That doesn’t mean I don’t think climate change is important to discuss in our public sphere.

Yet I think the best I can hope for is that over time enough of our society will act in a way to be proactive in building a better future than in the case of absolutely nothing being done.

My best case scenario is that adaptation strategies are put in place that actually work. And by “actually work” I mean keeping society together, staving off mass starvation, finding ways of relocating the displaced, etc.

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Targetpractice  Oct 16, 2015 • 1:28:29pm

re: #230 Big Beautiful Door

Sorry, nothings getting done in the Senate with the GOP in control except the absolute minimum necessary to keep the government from shutting down.

And really, what would putting her in the White House accomplish with the same Congress?

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Big Beautiful Door  Oct 16, 2015 • 1:28:35pm

re: #226 GlutenFreeJesus

If something like 9/11 happened while Obama was President, the whole GOP would be calling for his impeachment and arrest.

Considering the freak out over Benghazi, one can only imagine how viciously they would’ve attacked Obama if 9/11 happened now. Of course any criticism of Bush for 9/11 was TREASON!.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 16, 2015 • 1:28:42pm

re: #233 allegro

I love San Antonio and never miss an opportunity to visit the city. The River Walk is a must for one evening at least.

Cool, I’ll have to tell him that someone who’s been recommends it. I’ve never actually been to your state outside a layover I had in Dallas this past summer but SA with its history was always high on my list. Austin too since I am a music junkie.

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allegro  Oct 16, 2015 • 1:30:15pm

re: #232 Targetpractice

I’d hoped for one of the Castro brothers to be out there running this year, so to see Julian being treated as a serious VP choice tells me they have bright futures in the party. A total departure from the BS we’ve been told again and again about how the GOP is in a better position because it has so much “fresh blood” at the state and local levels. Of course, these were some of the same voices who thought Scott Walker had a serious chance at being president.

Do recall that Julian gave a keynote speech at the 2012 Dem convention. He’s been on the track for some time. We’ll be calling him Mr. President one day.

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Nyet  Oct 16, 2015 • 1:30:23pm

Bush kept the everyone safe. Except for the 9/11 victims. And thousands of US troops. And ca. 200000 Iraqis.

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Big Beautiful Door  Oct 16, 2015 • 1:31:08pm

re: #235 Targetpractice

And really, what would putting her in the White House accomplish with the same Congress?

If a Democrat is elected President next year, the only way she will get anything accomplished is through executive action.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 16, 2015 • 1:33:28pm

Okay here’s a name and it’s really out there but Tammy Baldwin. Strong progressive from a key state (Wisconsin). Openly lesbian but this country has come so far I think on homosexuality. and she’s definitely qualified too and fairly young.

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Targetpractice  Oct 16, 2015 • 1:33:40pm

re: #240 Big Beautiful Door

If a Democrat is elected President next year, the only way she will get anything accomplished is through executive action.

Exactly. Better to let her build up a record in the Senate, as an advocate if not with a slate of accomplishments, while allowing the party to get past any more Clinton campaigns.

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Big Beautiful Door  Oct 16, 2015 • 1:35:18pm

re: #241 HappyWarrior

Okay here’s a name and it’s really out there but Tammy Baldwin. Strong progressive from a key state (Wisconsin). Openly lesbian but this country has come so far I think on homosexuality. and she’s definitely qualified too and fairly young.

I wouldn’t be opposed to putting her on the short list, but she probably needs a little more experience before actually getting on a national ticket.

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Big Beautiful Door  Oct 16, 2015 • 1:36:28pm

re: #242 Targetpractice

Exactly. Better to let her build up a record in the Senate, as an advocate if not with a slate of accomplishments, while allowing the party to get past any more Clinton campaigns.

In my humble opinion, it would be nice if she was in the race just in case Hillary implodes, though her performance in the debate was very reassuring.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 16, 2015 • 1:36:55pm

re: #243 Big Beautiful Door

I wouldn’t be opposed to putting her on the short list, but she probably needs a little more experience before actually getting on a national ticket.

Fair, I do think she should be considered. A better fit for Clinton than Sanders IMO since she’s closer to Bernie record wise.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 16, 2015 • 1:38:23pm

Are there any interesting governors out there? Once upon a time Brrian Schweritizer was someone who looked like he had a future in national party politics but I haven’t heard anything about him in years. Don’t know if he’s endorsing anyone.

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Stanley Sea Toujours  Oct 16, 2015 • 1:38:26pm

Makeitstop? You here?

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HappyWarrior  Oct 16, 2015 • 1:39:08pm

Hypothetical Clinton running mates are easier for me to think of than ones for Bernie onestly.

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TedStriker  Oct 16, 2015 • 1:46:06pm

re: #164 HappyWarrior

That’s frankly what a lot of conservatism seems to me to be about- I got mine, fuck you seems to be the prevailing attitude. I see Republican candidates who it is common knowledge benefited from the same government programs that they want to either dramatically weaken or get rid of.

Cutting the ladder of social progress down, rung-by-rung, so that no one can threaten their position in the social pecking order.

Gotta keep those uppity poors, wimmens, and minorities in their place, right?

/vomits

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Lidane  Oct 16, 2015 • 1:47:06pm

re: #232 Targetpractice

I’d hoped for one of the Castro brothers to be out there running this year, so to see Julian being treated as a serious VP choice tells me they have bright futures in the party.

The DNC has been grooming Julian Castro for higher office for years. I’m convinced the whole reason he was chosen to keynote the Democratic Convention in 2012 was because they were planning on running him for governor in 2014, which obviously didn’t happen. It’s no accident that he left for DC right after Wendy Davis won the state Democratic primary for governor. They got him out of Texas and gave him exposure to the how the federal government works, which he wasn’t going to get in another mayoral term.

Whoever gets the nomination would be stupid to pass him up as VP. He’d be a great choice.

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freetoken  Oct 16, 2015 • 1:48:12pm

One of the more disturbing trends, to me, is the rise of the so-called “fake” media, that is, vested party websites that appear to be like traditional news sites.

Now, this is not a totally new phenomena. Way back in the good ol’ days of paper there were plenty of magazines and news print periodicals that were dodgy but pretended to be real journalism.

Yet those tabloids at the checkout counter, with the aliens on the front page shaking the hand of the President - those rags were easily discernible as nonsense (well, by most of us anyway.)

Anyway, today, in the era of the Twitterization of Civilization, trying to sort legit claims versus idiocy is much more difficult.

And even if a “news source” isn’t completely dodgy it now seems naive writers and the total abandonment of good journalistic practices is now the norm:

“Energy Live News” declares:

Greenpeace Co-founder: CO2 does not cause global warming

The increase in Carbon Dioxide (CO2) is not related to global warming and there is no definitive proof.

That’s the view of Greenpeace Co-founder and former leader Patrick Moore who told ELN increasing CO2 levels is good for trees and crops on earth.

He added: “In this century there has been zero warming from a statistically significant basis and the UK Met Office says so yet one third of all human CO2 emissions have been put into the atmosphere in the last 18 years. So it doesn’t look like a lockstep causal relationship between increasing CO2 and warming of the earth.”

Mr Moore said he supports gas and nuclear as it doesn’t matter if CO2 emission levels are brought down “quite a bit” in the long run.

He believes the future will show the hysteria over climate change is a “complete fabrication”.

[…]

CO2 is ‘good’

This guy, Patrick Moore (not to be confused with the very old, rotund, and venerable BBC television presenter, nor to be confused with the English actor of some fame) has been running around and saying this for some time.

So why is this now in the “news”?

Oh, look, it’s the Bratfrats:

GREENPEACE FOUNDER: LET’S CELEBRATE CO2

Following his interview with Breitbart London, Greenpeace founder Dr. Patrick Moore addressed the Global Warming Policy Foundation in London last night, telling them why he left the environmentalist group and became sceptical of man-made global warming.

[…]

Read about the GWPF: en.wikipedia.org

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freetoken  Oct 16, 2015 • 1:50:22pm

I seem to have lost an entire last paragraph of my post somehow.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 16, 2015 • 1:50:22pm

re: #250 Lidane

The DNC has been grooming Julian Castro for higher office for years. I’m convinced the whole reason he was chosen to keynote the Democratic Convention in 2012 was because they were planning on running him for governor in 2014, which obviously didn’t happen. It’s no accident that he left for DC right after Wendy Davis won the state Democratic primary for governor. They got him out of Texas and gave him exposure to the how the federal government works, which he wasn’t going to get in another mayoral term.

Whoever gets the nomination would be stupid to pass him up as VP. He’d be a great choice.

He’s one of the few that I can think of that would be a great VP for any of the candidates.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 16, 2015 • 1:51:08pm

re: #249 TedStriker

Cutting the ladder of social progress down, rung-by-rung, so that no one can threaten their position in the social pecking order.

Gotta keep those uppity poors, wimmens, and minorities in their place, right?

/vomits

Bootstraps they say while dangling scissors.

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wrenchwench  Oct 16, 2015 • 1:51:11pm

re: #252 freetoken

I seem to have lost an entire last paragraph of my post somehow.

I’d check the Moon Prison.

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Lidane  Oct 16, 2015 • 1:52:59pm

re: #253 HappyWarrior

He’s one of the few that I can think of that would be a great VP for any of the candidates.

There’s also the fact that a Sanders/Castro ticket would send the RWNJs into an incoherent rage. They’d spend the entire general election going ZOMG COMMIES. It’s inevitable.

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Nyet  Oct 16, 2015 • 1:54:40pm

Scissors for the drifter!

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b_sharp  Oct 16, 2015 • 1:55:00pm

re: #255 wrenchwench

I’d check the Moon Prison.

There are no file cabinets in Moon Prison.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 16, 2015 • 1:55:05pm

re: #256 Lidane

There’s also the fact that a Sanders/Castro ticket would send the RWNJs into an incoherent rage. They’d spend the entire general election going ZOMG COMMIES. It’s inevitable.

Heh yeah. Honestly though, it’s a godo thing he didn’t run for governor in 2014. I like Wendy but it was just a terrible year to be a Democrat last year.

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wrenchwench  Oct 16, 2015 • 1:55:37pm
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Lidane  Oct 16, 2015 • 1:56:07pm
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allegro  Oct 16, 2015 • 1:58:28pm

re: #259 HappyWarrior

Heh yeah. Honestly though, it’s a godo thing he didn’t run for governor in 2014. I like Wendy but it was just a terrible year to be a Democrat last year.

If the DNC had put even minimal effort in it may have made a difference. They abandoned Texas about when W was elected, handing the state to the GOP. There has been no Dem infrastructure here for years.

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Targetpractice  Oct 16, 2015 • 1:58:29pm

re: #244 Big Beautiful Door

In my humble opinion, it would be nice if she was in the race just in case Hillary implodes, though her performance in the debate was very reassuring.

If Hillary implodes, then the people best positioned to take advantage are Sanders and Biden.

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freetoken  Oct 16, 2015 • 2:00:08pm

re: #260 wrenchwench

Look at that bustline…

… oh …

… wait…

I was suppose to read about that conference??

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allegro  Oct 16, 2015 • 2:00:15pm

re: #260 wrenchwench

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Embedded Image

WTF? Am I missing something?

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HappyWarrior  Oct 16, 2015 • 2:00:24pm

re: #262 allegro

If the DNC had put even minimal effort in it may have made a difference. They abandoned Texas about when W was elected, handing the state to the GOP. There has been no Dem infrastructure here for years.

They really do need to invest in many states. I wasn’t a big Howard Dean fan at all but he had the right idea strategy wise though I din’t like him that much as a candidate.

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A Mom Anon  Oct 16, 2015 • 2:02:58pm

re: #260 wrenchwench

I haven’t asked, how are you doing with your recovery? I am SO happy you’re still with us and getting better. (((hugs)))

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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Oct 16, 2015 • 2:03:42pm

Rand Paul: Electing Bernie Sanders Could Lead to “Mass Genocide”

electing bernie sanders could lead to mass daycare

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freetoken  Oct 16, 2015 • 2:05:25pm

Neat thing of the day:

Mobile apps and interactive social media are all well and good, but sometimes you just want to get out the drawing pins or Blu-tac and put a poster up on your wall, classroom, office, den, wherever. If you’re intrigued by the Tree of Life, then check out Evolution Posters, detailed and scientifically accurate with the modern, the extinct, the missing link for empty wallspace.

Image: colour%20jpg%201600px.jpg

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wrenchwench  Oct 16, 2015 • 2:05:47pm

re: #265 allegro

WTF? Am I missing something?

She’s a TBI victim, as well as her state’s Miss America. It’s her ‘platform’ issue.

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wrenchwench  Oct 16, 2015 • 2:10:32pm

re: #267 A Mom Anon

I haven’t asked, how are you doing with your recovery? I am SO happy you’re still with us and getting better. (((hugs)))

Thank you. I’m still improving, and as of yesterday, decided not to be embarrassed by any signs of less-than-competence that I come across from my recent past, but rather to celebrate that I’m alive.

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Kragar  Oct 16, 2015 • 2:10:33pm
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A Mom Anon  Oct 16, 2015 • 2:12:21pm

Time to feed the family I guess, later lizards, have a good weekend.

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Stanley Sea Toujours  Oct 16, 2015 • 2:14:28pm
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The Vicious Babushka  Oct 16, 2015 • 2:15:09pm

Teh butthurt flows==>

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Lidane  Oct 16, 2015 • 2:18:14pm

re: #275 The Vicious Babushka

Dear Pharma-Bro,

That is all.

No love,
Me

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Stanley Sea Toujours  Oct 16, 2015 • 2:18:26pm

Time for my randoms! Work is done.

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Nyet  Oct 16, 2015 • 2:18:44pm

re: #269 freetoken

I don’t see Noah’s ark there.

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wrenchwench  Oct 16, 2015 • 2:20:06pm
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Kragar  Oct 16, 2015 • 2:22:05pm

re: #275 The Vicious Babushka

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Romantic Heretic  Oct 16, 2015 • 2:28:29pm

re: #188 lawhawk

Sales taxes aren’t so easy to administer - just ask the states that have them. And there’s lots of rules promulgated to address them too.

Once you start talking about carve outs for food and other basics, because that’d affect the poor, other groups start demanding their own carveouts, and pretty soon you’ve got a scheme with all manner of reduced tax rates, exemptions, or other deductions that starts to look as complex as the IRC that they’re all clamoring to replace - because they know that a sales tax would be a massive tax cut for the rich.

Oh, suddenly my head hurts.

Many years ago I had to create a program for handling orders for a bedding manufacturer. At that time here in Ontario we had a Federal Sales Tax (FST) and Provincial Sales Tax (PST).

Some of the manufactured items were FST exempt, some were PST exempt and some were both. Some customers were FST exempt, some were PST exempt and some were both. I believe a few of the manufactured items were exempt from exemptions.

Oh the fun I had trying to get the sales taxes to come out properly on each order.

Also note that sales taxes are inflationary. Sales taxes force businesses to spend time and money to calculate and remit those taxes. Time and money that takes away from the bottom line. So they raise prices to cover this nonprofitable activity.

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allegro  Oct 16, 2015 • 2:29:02pm

re: #270 wrenchwench

She’s a TBI victim, as well as her state’s Miss America. It’s her ‘platform’ issue.

Ah, that makes sense then. I kept looking for a connection but couldn’t find one.

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Romantic Heretic  Oct 16, 2015 • 2:32:22pm

re: #201 A Mom Anon

Jesus, that blows. *HUGS*

And the so-called conservatives keep insisting that business always does thing better than government.

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Romantic Heretic  Oct 16, 2015 • 2:33:19pm

re: #210 Kragar

Here’s hoping all goes well.

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WhatEVs  Oct 16, 2015 • 3:18:15pm

re: #276 Lidane

Dear Pharma-Bro,

Embedded Image

That is all.

No love,
Me

My all time fav pic.

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sagehen  Oct 16, 2015 • 3:34:38pm

re: #145 HappyWarrior

That is a good point and I’ll point out he was mayor of a town so he does have some executive experience too. Obviously Burlington, Vermont is different than D.C in the kinds of interests nad personalities he’d have to deal with but it’s not like he’s never been in charge of a government before.

Burlington VT has more residents, and a more complicated budget, than Wasilla AK. And Bernie was able to the job he was elected to, he didn’t have to bring in a professional City Manager to do it for him.


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