Donald Trump Boasts of Inciting Hatred Against Innocent Central Park Jogger Defendants

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PoliticsOctober 2015 • Views: 55,760

So today, Republican presidential candidate Donald Trump retweeted this, from bigoted right wing bomb thrower Ann Coulter:

“@AnnCoulter: Read this DJT full-p ad from 1989 and tell me DonaldTrump is a Johnny-Come-Lately “fake” conservative: pic.twitter.com/DBNIc3MIOl

— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) October 18, 2015

This advertisement from 1989 being touted by Trump and Coulter as proof of his conservative bona fides is actually calling for the execution of the five alleged rapists in the infamous Central Park jogger case; at the time Donald Trump was doing his best to spread fear and incite a lynch mob mentality in New York, as you can see from the ad.

The defendants in this case were convicted and spent years in prison — before another prisoner, Matias Reyes, confessed to the attack on the jogger and DNA evidence confirmed he was indeed the rapist. The five young men wrongly convicted of the crime had their sentences vacated in 2002, and subsequently sued New York City for, among other things, malicious prosecution. The city settled the suit for $42 million.

And yet, here we have Donald Trump boasting about his involvement in this dreadful miscarriage of justice, as if it confirms he’s always been a true conservative.

Come to think of it — maybe it does.

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319 comments

The Ghost of the Beardsman Oct 18, 2015 • 1:41:34pm

Actually, this really is a super conservative thing to do.

You win this round, you horrific ballsack wearing a ferret.

HappyWarrior Oct 18, 2015 • 1:42:17pm

Nothing shocks me all anymore with this guy, his party, and conservatism and conservatives.

dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸ Oct 18, 2015 • 1:43:32pm

Trey Gowdy to GOP colleagues: ‘Shut up’ if you’re not on Benghazi panel

shut up shut up shut up!

Dark_Falcon Oct 18, 2015 • 1:43:33pm

I’d heard that someone else confessed to the rape, but that DNA evidence had proved he was telling the truth wasn’t something I had heard before.

I’m glad I know and I’m glad I kept my mouth shut till I found out.

As for Donald Trump, I don’t know why he dredged up this piece of history, since its going to boomerang on him.

Nyet Oct 18, 2015 • 1:44:45pm

If that’s not the best case against DP, what is?

dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸ Oct 18, 2015 • 1:45:05pm

“I don’t think Trump is going to win the nomination. I think we’re going to have a nominee that will unite the party,” Bush said.

do you know something the rest of us dont, jeb?

Aunty Entity Dragon Oct 18, 2015 • 1:46:23pm

Who gives a fuck if they are innocent? Scalia sez actual innocence is not a bar to being executed! Anyways…they probably did something else we don’ even know about, so fuck it. They can fry and we can laugh.

Dark_Falcon Oct 18, 2015 • 1:46:51pm

re: #5 Nyet

If that’s not the best case against DP, what is?

It isn’t because the defendants were not and could not be sentenced to death in the Jogger case, as the Supreme Court had previously ruled that capital punishment could be used for the nonfatal rape of an adult.

Targetpractice Oct 18, 2015 • 1:47:47pm

Of course, time has not dulled Donald’s bloodlust:

Republican presidential front-runner Donald Trump on Thursday said that Army Sgt. Bowe Bergdahl would have been executed for leaving his post in Afghanistan in the past.

The businessman called Bergdahl, a 29-year-old Army sergeant who who left his post in 2009 and was held captive by the Taliban for five years, a “no-good traitor” who would have been shot 30 years ago.

Trump made the comments at a rally in Las Vegas at the Treasure Island casino.

HappyWarrior Oct 18, 2015 • 1:47:49pm

re: #8 Dark_Falcon

It isn’t because the defendants were not and could not be sentenced to death in the Jogger case, as the Supreme Court had previously ruled that capital punishment could be used for the nonfatal rape of an adult.

Think he means DNA testing in general which has exonerated people before.

Great White Snark Oct 18, 2015 • 1:48:16pm

Anyone boasting about inciting hate is a person unworthy of the term civilized. let alone any public office. To the extent one could make an argument against his investors as enablers. People that should know better.

Nyet Oct 18, 2015 • 1:48:17pm

re: #8 Dark_Falcon

It isn’t because the defendants were not and could not be sentenced to death in the Jogger case, as the Supreme Court had previously ruled that capital punishment could be used for the nonfatal rape of an adult.

“Whoosh” - that’s the sound of the point passing by you.

The Ghost of the Beardsman Oct 18, 2015 • 1:48:39pm

re: #4 Dark_Falcon

As for Donald Trump, I don’t know why he dredged up this piece of history, since its going to boomerang on him.

I predict the opposite.

His base are revanchists that adore strongman posturing: locking up or killing kids that “aren’t innocent”—black, poor, have been in trouble—is something they’re excited about. I’ll bet you right now they’re spit-shining this turd.

Aunty Entity Dragon Oct 18, 2015 • 1:48:56pm

re: #5 Nyet

If that’s not the best case against DP, what is?

Last week’s 60 Minutes is here to answer that question:

cbsnews.com

There may be no greater miscarriage of justice than to wrongfully convict a person of murder and sentence him to death. But that’s exactly what happened to Glenn Ford. He spent nearly 30 years on death row, in solitary confinement, in Louisiana’s notorious Angola prison until new evidence revealed he did not commit the murder.

He was one of 149 inmates freed from death row since the U.S. Supreme Court reinstated capital punishment in 1976. In all those exonerations, you have likely never heard a prosecutor admit his role and apologize for his mistakes in sending an innocent man to death row. But tonight, a prosecutor’s confession. Marty Stroud, speaks of an injustice he calls so great it destroyed two lives: Glenn Ford’s, and his own.

Marty Stroud: I ended up, without anybody else’s help, putting a man on death row who didn’t belong there. I mean at the end of the day, the beginning, end, middle, whatever you want to call it, I did something that was very, very bad.

It was 1983, Shreveport, Louisiana, and 32-year-old prosecutor Marty Stroud was assigned his first death penalty case. A local jeweler, Isadore Rozeman had been robbed and murdered. Quickly, Stroud zeroed in on Glenn Ford. Ford had done yard work for Rozeman and was known to be a petty thief, and he admitted he had pawned some of the stolen jewelry. All that was enough to make him the primary suspect. Stroud knew a conviction would boost his career.

Marty Stroud: I was arrogant, narcissistic, caught up in the culture of winning.

Bill Whitaker: Win regardless of the facts, the truth?

Marty Stroud: Looking back on it, yes. There was a question about other people’s involvement. I should have followed up on that. I didn’t do that.

Bill Whitaker: Why didn’t you?

Marty Stroud: I think my failure to say something can only be described as cowardice. I was a coward.

HappyWarrior Oct 18, 2015 • 1:49:06pm

re: #9 Targetpractice

Of course, time has not dulled Donald’s bloodlust:

Pretty strong words from someone who never served in uniform at all. Donald should the fuck up.

goddamnedfrank Oct 18, 2015 • 1:49:45pm

re: #4 Dark_Falcon

I’d heard that someone else confessed to the rape, but that DNA evidence had proved he was telling the truth wasn’t something I had heard before.

I’m glad I know and I’m glad I kept my mouth shut till I found out.

As for Donald Trump, I don’t know why he dredged up this piece of history, since its going to boomerang on him.

No it won’t. The racist conservative base of your party that supports Trump overwhelmingly will praise him for leading a lynch mob based on pure ignorance. He and they refuse to believe the Five were innocent, or at least not guilty of some unspecified crime (being in the park while black) that justified their prosecution and convictions.

ObserverArt Oct 18, 2015 • 1:49:57pm

re: #4 Dark_Falcon

I’d heard that someone else confessed to the rape, but that DNA evidence had proved he was telling the truth wasn’t something I had heard before.

I’m glad I know and I’m glad I kept my mouth shut till I found out.

As for Donald Trump, I don’t know why he dredged up this piece of history, since its going to boomerang on him.

If he was Donald Clinton, it would boomerang like the movie Groundhog Day.

But since it is The Donald™ TRUMP® he will be more loved than ever by the base of the party that doesn’t realize that is their base.

It’s quite remarkable.

HappyWarrior Oct 18, 2015 • 1:50:03pm

If attacking McCain’s POW experience won’t backfire with GOP voters, bragging abou this won’t either.

Targetpractice Oct 18, 2015 • 1:50:46pm

re: #16 goddamnedfrank

No it won’t. The racist conservative base of your party that supports Trump overwhelmingly will praise him for leading a lynch mob based on pure ignorance. He and they refuse to believe the Five were innocent, or at least not guilty of some unspecified crime (being in the park while black) that justified their prosecution and convictions.

Ayep, we’ve heard it before, the argument that even an exonerated minority “might/must be guilty of something!,” because otherwise the cops wouldn’t have arrested them.

thedopefishlives Oct 18, 2015 • 1:50:55pm

re: #13 The Ghost of a Flea

I predict the opposite.

His base are revanchists that adore strongman posturing: locking up or killing kids that “aren’t innocent”—black, poor, have been in trouble—is something they’re excited about. I’ll bet you right now they’re spit-shining this turd.

Pretty much this. Remember, people, that these folks genuinely believe that black people are inherently violent. Anyone who has the courage to stand up to these vile thugs is to be applauded, and innocence be damned. It’s just a matter of time before a black man commits a crime, so why not throw them in jail and execute them preemptively?

HappyWarrior Oct 18, 2015 • 1:51:10pm

Sorry DF but you my friend are guilty of wishful thinking. People in your party love this clown even if you to your credit do not.

goddamnedfrank Oct 18, 2015 • 1:51:46pm

The only way Trump could alienate the GOP base at this point is if the said “black lives matter.”

HappyWarrior Oct 18, 2015 • 1:52:14pm

re: #22 goddamnedfrank

The only way Trump could alienate the GOP base at this point is if the said “black lives matter.”

Yep.

SteveMcGaziBolaGate Oct 18, 2015 • 1:52:34pm

re: #9 Targetpractice

Of course, time has not dulled Donald’s bloodlust:

I don’t think any deserters have been shot in the last 70 years.

gocart mozart Oct 18, 2015 • 1:52:35pm

Babushka, I tweeted your post in the last thread to Donald himself, hope you don’t mind.

@realDonaldTrump @AnnCoulter Wow, the Donald is proud of leading a lynch mob in 1989. http://t.co/spBuZtMLx4

— gocart mozart (@attymix1) October 18, 2015

Dark_Falcon Oct 18, 2015 • 1:53:04pm

re: #10 HappyWarrior

Think he means DNA testing in general which has exonerated people before.

That’s a fair point but I always focus on the specific case. People have to specify a broader point or I won’t notice. The tight focus can leave me clueless at times, but its not something I will change as it serves as a way I cope with ADHD. If I try to focus on multiple points I get overly distracted and bog down, so I focus on what I see as the main point in order to stay on track.

thedopefishlives Oct 18, 2015 • 1:53:17pm

re: #22 goddamnedfrank

The only way Trump could alienate the GOP base at this point is if the said “black lives matter.”

I’m still holding out hope that the evangelicals will, eventually, figure out that he doesn’t have the religious fervor they’ve come to expect of right-wing candidates, and turn on him en masse. But it’s looking at this point as if they’re too busy celebrating his hard-line conservatism and are willing to overlook his lack of religious credentials.

Timothy Watson Oct 18, 2015 • 1:53:41pm

re: #8 Dark_Falcon

It isn’t because the defendants were not and could not be sentenced to death in the Jogger case, as the Supreme Court had previously ruled that capital punishment could be used for the nonfatal rape of an adult.

The victim of the attack was expected to die. She was still comatose when the ad ran based on the dates on Wikipedia.

HappyWarrior Oct 18, 2015 • 1:54:25pm

re: #24 SteveMcGaziBolaGate

I don’t think any deserters have been shot in the last 70 years.

Not since Pvt Slovik IIRC which was rare for WWII even.

The Ghost of the Beardsman Oct 18, 2015 • 1:55:49pm

re: #20 thedopefishlives

Before you ever get to the racism—though, fuck yes, racism in the olive is this martini—there’s a basic presumption that punishment is not about justice, but about inflicting pain on targets that frighten them.

It’s part of what I mean by “strongman posturing”—the glorification of punitive violence is about power dynamics rather than rule of law. They’re not punishing the crime, they’re punishing non-compliance.

HappyWarrior Oct 18, 2015 • 1:55:54pm

re: #26 Dark_Falcon

That’s a fair point but I always focus on the specific case. People have to specify a broader point or I won’t notice. The tight focus can leave me clueless at times, but its not something I will change as it serves as a way I cope with ADHD. If I try to focus on multiple points I get overly distracted and bog down, so I focus on what I see as the main point in order to stay on track.

Understand having ADHD myself. Anyhow as much as I hope this backfires, I can’t see it doing so.

goddamnedfrank Oct 18, 2015 • 1:55:57pm

@CoachClintSwan Tell me, what were they doing in the Park, playing checkers?

— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) April 21, 2013

According to Trump it’s impossible for black kids to be in Central Park without being up to no good. Therefore the suspicion, prosecution and false convictions were all justified.

HappyWarrior Oct 18, 2015 • 1:56:38pm

re: #27 thedopefishlives

I’m still holding out hope that the evangelicals will, eventually, figure out that he doesn’t have the religious fervor they’ve come to expect of right-wing candidates, and turn on him en masse. But it’s looking at this point as if they’re too busy celebrating his hard-line conservatism and are willing to overlook his lack of religious credentials.

That’s what I think will do him in but who knows.

gocart mozart Oct 18, 2015 • 1:57:50pm

@realDonaldTrump @CoachClintSwan Maybe they were negotiating real estate deals with mobsters.
— gocart mozart (@attymix1) October 18, 2015

Targetpractice Oct 18, 2015 • 1:58:14pm

re: #32 goddamnedfrank

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According to Trump it’s impossible for black kids to be in Central Park without being up to no good. Therefore the suspicion, prosecution and false convictions were all justified.

It’s like I said, in the minds of “tough on crime” conservatives, a minority is always up to no good. If a cop hauls a black man in, it’s not evidence of racism or of sloppy police work, it has to be because the cop either knows or has reason to suspect the minority is guilty of a crime. So even if they can’t convict them of one crime, there’s surely another they’ve committed.

ObserverArt Oct 18, 2015 • 1:58:17pm

re: #27 thedopefishlives

I’m still holding out hope that the evangelicals will, eventually, figure out that he doesn’t have the religious fervor they’ve come to expect of right-wing candidates, and turn on him en masse. But it’s looking at this point as if they’re too busy celebrating his hard-line conservatism and are willing to overlook his lack of religious credentials.

If he carries out all the punishment their churches call for, he will be a hero to them no matter what religion he may or not have.

And since the previous thread got into the business and politics of the modern mega-church., that punishment they call for is exactly all the stuff the Donald talks about.

They all want to Make America Great Again…for the powerful white man. Everyone else, shut up.

FormerDirtDart Oct 18, 2015 • 1:59:14pm

Pretty sure a lot of fellow citizens that oppose the idea of a Christian theocracy taking hold of the government are hoping for a “religious liberty election” too

“I believe 2016 is going to be a religious liberty election,” Cruz says. Has spent most of his speech talking about Christian persecution
— christopher hack (@cd_hooks) October 18, 2015

HappyWarrior Oct 18, 2015 • 1:59:18pm

re: #36 ObserverArt

If he carries out all the punishment their churches call for, he will be a hero to them no matter what religion he may or not have.

And since the previous thread got into the business and politics of the modern mega-church., that punishment they call for is exactly all the stuff the Donald talks about.

They all want to Make America Great Again…for the powerful white man. Everyone else, shut up.

I think you are right about that.

gocart mozart Oct 18, 2015 • 2:00:06pm

re: #34 gocart mozart

I’m a gonna get myself sued by Mr. Trump one of these days. Does anyone not name Charles Johnson know a good defamation attorney?

thedopefishlives Oct 18, 2015 • 2:00:11pm

re: #37 FormerDirtDart

Pretty sure a lot of fellow citizens that oppose the idea of a Christian theocracy taking hold of the government are hoping for a “religious liberty election” too

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I don’t understand, Mr. Cruz. Exactly what is it you’re not free to do in this country that relates to your religion? Oh, subjugating black people and women and gays is illegal? TOUGH SHIT!

De Kolta Chair Oct 18, 2015 • 2:00:15pm

How many em’s are in his name anyway? I count two..

HappyWarrior Oct 18, 2015 • 2:00:37pm

re: #37 FormerDirtDart

Pretty sure a lot of fellow citizens that oppose the idea of a Christian theocracy taking hold of the government are hoping for a “religious liberty election” too

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Religious liberty isn’t state sanctioned religious persecution Ted you ignorant shit.

Timothy Watson Oct 18, 2015 • 2:00:59pm

re: #37 FormerDirtDart

Pretty sure a lot of fellow citizens that oppose the idea of a Christian theocracy taking hold of the government are hoping for a “religious liberty election” too

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We let poor repressed Christians vote? Dammit, we’re doing something wrong here!

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Targetpractice Oct 18, 2015 • 2:01:13pm

re: #37 FormerDirtDart

Pretty sure a lot of fellow citizens that oppose the idea of a Christian theocracy taking hold of the government are hoping for a “religious liberty election” too

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The GOP doesn’t seem to understand that 1984 was fiction, not a “how-to” guide.

HappyWarrior Oct 18, 2015 • 2:01:27pm

re: #40 thedopefishlives

I don’t understand, Mr. Cruz. Exactly what is it you’re not free to do in this country that relates to your religion? Oh, subjugating black people and women and gays is illegal? TOUGH SHIT!

He’s mad because gays have the same rights as him. He’s a pathetic hack.

goddamnedfrank Oct 18, 2015 • 2:01:41pm

As a long-time resident of New York City, I think it is ridiculous for this case to be settled — and I hope that has not yet taken place.
Forty million dollars is a lot of money for the taxpayers of New York to pay when we are already the highest taxed city and state in the country. The recipients must be laughing out loud at the stupidity of the city.

Speak to the detectives on the case and try listening to the facts. These young men do not exactly have the pasts of angels.

Literally a They’re No Angles argument from Trump against compensating the Five for the years they spent in prison wrongly convicted.

The Ghost of the Beardsman Oct 18, 2015 • 2:02:02pm

Still don’t understand why GOP people are surprised by Trump’s success.

It’s like dealers having a board meeting:

“We’ve spent twenty years selling coke, and suddenly the market’s dropped off. Also, there’s a bunch of crackheads spending on freebasing instead of flake. How in the fuck did that happen?”

“Well, it certainly wasn’t because crack is a faster, bigger rush than cocaine…that’s all I know. Stuff happens.”

thedopefishlives Oct 18, 2015 • 2:02:29pm

re: #43 Timothy Watson

We let poor repressed Christians vote? Dammit, we’re doing something wrong here!

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I’m getting sick and fucking tired of the persecution complex American Christians have. There are Christians around the world who risk death - REAL death - in the name of Christ. The only time an American Christian faces death is when it comes time to clean out the refrigerator. (You all know what I’m talking about.) We have it so fucking easy and so the Christian leaders had to find new things to whine about, rather than concentrating on the real message.

ObserverArt Oct 18, 2015 • 2:02:43pm

Whoa. That was weird. I just flipped from CBS to Fox to see what games were on and the very same commercial was on at the exact same time…almost in the exact spot, maybe a second off.

Fan Duel is taking over the world!

HappyWarrior Oct 18, 2015 • 2:03:58pm

re: #46 goddamnedfrank

Literally a They’re No Angles argument from Trump against compensating the Five for the years they spent in prison wrongly convicted.

Pathetic.

Nyet Oct 18, 2015 • 2:04:27pm

re: #32 goddamnedfrank

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According to Trump it’s impossible for black kids to be in Central Park without being up to no good. Therefore the suspicion, prosecution and false convictions were all justified.

It seems that they were a part of a gang that was attacking/mugging people elsewhere in the park:

ksg.harvard.edu

One of the most intriguing new views of the case rises from the
reconstruction of the sequence of events. By establishing that the teenagers
were part of a crowd that was bothering or beating other people during the
critical time of the rape, the reconstruction provides them with an alibi
that is plausible, if not airtight, and certainly unsavory.

“That was the issue,” said Peter Rivera, Mr. Santana’s lawyer in 1990. “But
we didn’t say, ‘No, when the jogger was raped, my client was on 96th Street,
mugging someone else.’ That would have been self-defeating.”

+ the rest of the article.

Timothy Watson Oct 18, 2015 • 2:04:32pm

re: #44 Targetpractice

The GOP doesn’t seem to understand that 1984 was fiction, not a “how-to” guide.

They also forget that Orwell was a self-described democratic socialist.

SteveMcGaziBolaGate Oct 18, 2015 • 2:04:55pm

Dark Falcon and I are both Republicans. The difference between us is that he seems to think the party can restore itself to sanity, but I think it needs outside help. That’s where you, lizard kingdom, come in. This country needs two functioning political parties. We all see what happens when one is broken. You can’t count on the Democrats forever to be the only adults in the room. Remember how they don’t show up in off year elections? Therefore we need people to register GOP. It doesn’t mean you have to vote for Havana Ted or Donald Trump, but it does give you the chance to vote against them, in the off chance that a sane candidate is on the ballot in a primary.

I bring this idea up from time to time and many people recoil in disgust about joining, but remember, it doesn’t mean you have to actually vote for any of these guys. If enough rational people join, you could then have rational people run in primaries, and have support from rational people.

Then I would finish up with my zinger: We could send those Dixiecrats back where they came from: The Democratic Party!!

HappyWarrior Oct 18, 2015 • 2:05:03pm

re: #48 thedopefishlives

I’m getting sick and fucking tired of the persecution complex American Christians have. There are Christians around the world who risk death - REAL death - in the name of Christ. The only time an American Christian faces death is when it comes time to clean out the refrigerator. (You all know what I’m talking about.) We have it so fucking easy and so the Christian leaders had to find new things to whine about, rather than concentrating on the real message.

American Moderate Christians need to stand up against this shit.

goddamnedfrank Oct 18, 2015 • 2:05:23pm

I wonder when Dark_Falcon is going to acknowledge that his party’s base is now pretty much entirely comprised of barely covert Klan members.

thedopefishlives Oct 18, 2015 • 2:05:27pm

re: #54 HappyWarrior

American Moderate Christians need to stand up against this shit.

Same page, my friend. Same bloody word.

Stanley Sea Toujours Oct 18, 2015 • 2:06:20pm

re: #27 thedopefishlives

I’m still holding out hope that the evangelicals will, eventually, figure out that he doesn’t have the religious fervor they’ve come to expect of right-wing candidates, and turn on him en masse. But it’s looking at this point as if they’re too busy celebrating his hard-line conservatism and are willing to overlook his lack of religious credentials.

Well, he is not at the revival in Texas with all the others.

HappyWarrior Oct 18, 2015 • 2:07:07pm

re: #55 goddamnedfrank

I wonder when Dark_Falcon is going to acknowledge that his party’s base is now pretty much entirely comprised of barely covert Klan members.

When it’s too late.

Targetpractice Oct 18, 2015 • 2:07:31pm

re: #46 goddamnedfrank

Literally a They’re No Angles argument from Trump against compensating the Five for the years they spent in prison wrongly convicted.

“He/She/They’re No Angels,” the cry of the morally bankrupt and ethically lazy, who figure throwing anybody behind bars to “close the case” is better than actually seeing justice done. No telling how many men and women have been executed because the prosecutor just spent the trial pointing out that they weren’t model citizens rather than proving their guilt.

Great White Snark Oct 18, 2015 • 2:07:57pm

re: #54 HappyWarrior

American Moderate Christians need to stand up against this shit.

Moderate everyone. But yeah, change from within is required. Far better solution than a legislative one if that were even possible.

ObserverArt Oct 18, 2015 • 2:08:38pm

re: #41 De Kolta Chair

How many em’s are in his name anyway? I count two..

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No, the first m after the big triangle T is the r, then the u and then the m, they are all the same strokes but they are there…in a way. I bet he practiced that sucker up so it would be stylish and easy to whip out.

I don’t know handwriting analysis, but I bet there is some big ego in there along with tight control.

Kragar Oct 18, 2015 • 2:08:38pm

Trump Says He Will Cut The EPA As Prez: ‘We’ll Be Fine With The Environment’ @TPM http://t.co/4LWTwWkqto

— Kragar (@Kragar_LGF) October 18, 2015

“No, I’m not cutting services, but I’m cutting spending. But I may cut Department of Education. I believe Common Core is a very bad thing,” Trump said. “I believe that we should be — you know, educating our children from Iowa, from New Hampshire, from South Carolina, from California, from New York. I think that it should be local education.”

“So the Department of Education is one,” he continued. “Environmental Protection, what they do is a disgrace. Every week they come out with new regulations. They’re making it impossible —”

Wallace interjected, “Who’s going to protect the environment?”

“They — we’ll be fine with the environment,” Trump replied. “We can leave a little bit, but you can’t destroy businesses.”

Sorry kids from poor rural communities, no more Federal money to make sure you get the same access to learning as more affluent communities, you parasites!

goddamnedfrank Oct 18, 2015 • 2:08:53pm

re: #58 HappyWarrior

When it’s too late.

It’s at least six years past too late.

Targetpractice Oct 18, 2015 • 2:09:57pm

re: #62 Kragar

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Sorry kids from poor rural communities, no more Federal money to make sure you get the same access to learning as more affluent communities, you parasites!

Not to worry, plenty of jobs to be had working in the factories. After all, a little black lung builds character.

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HappyWarrior Oct 18, 2015 • 2:10:07pm

re: #53 SteveMcGaziBolaGate

Dark Falcon and I are both Republicans. The difference between us is that he seems to think the party can restore itself to sanity, but I think it needs outside help. That’s where you, lizard kingdom, come in. This country needs two functioning political parties. We all see what happens when one is broken. You can’t count on the Democrats forever to be the only adults in the room. Remember how they don’t show up in off year elections? Therefore we need people to register GOP. It doesn’t mean you have to vote for Havana Ted or Donald Trump, but it does give you the chance to vote against them, in the off chance that a sane candidate is on the ballot in a primary.

I bring this idea up from time to time and many people recoil in disgust about joining, but remember, it doesn’t mean you have to actually vote for any of these guys. If enough rational people join, you could then have rational people run in primaries, and have support from rational people.

Then I would finish up with my zinger: We could send those Dixiecrats back where they came from: The Democratic Party!!

Your idea misses something. By switching our party registration to GOP, we can no longer vote for people in our party’s primaries. And frankly I have no desire to save the GOP from itself, that’s up to active Republicans like DF not Democrats like me. They created this mess, they can fix it or rot.

Great White Snark Oct 18, 2015 • 2:10:18pm

re: #59 Targetpractice

That’s why we must not evade jury duty. Our most powerful moment in the system. I think we under rate the power that comes with voting, serving on that jury, witnessing or escorting at PP facilities. Our cameras in our phones.

Heh nobody is gonna think I meant evangelical witnessing right?
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HappyWarrior Oct 18, 2015 • 2:11:06pm

re: #60 Great White Snark

Moderate everyone. But yeah, change from within is required. Far better solution than a legislative one if that were even possible.

True just mean a Christian will have more internal influence than an agnostic like me.

Backwoods_Sleuth Oct 18, 2015 • 2:11:31pm

Supreme Court Justice Scalia on the subject of innocence and DP:

This Court has never held that the Constitution forbids the execution of a convicted defendant who has had a full and fair trial but is later able to convince a habeas court that he is “actually” innocent. Quite to the contrary, we have repeatedly left that question unresolved, while expressing considerable doubt that any claim based on alleged “actual innocence” is constitutionally cognizable.

thinkprogress.org

sigh…

goddamnedfrank Oct 18, 2015 • 2:12:21pm

re: #62 Kragar

“I believe Common Core is a very bad thing,” Trump said. “I believe that we should be — you know, educating our children from Iowa, from New Hampshire, from South Carolina, from California, from New York. I think that it should be local education.”

He’s an idiot speaking to idiots. Common Core meets the definition of a state program, it was created by the Governor’s Association. The federal government wasn’t involved at all.

SteveMcGaziBolaGate Oct 18, 2015 • 2:12:22pm

re: #63 goddamnedfrank

Never too late. Overdue?, sure. At least twenty five years overdue. The state of affairs right now is that a vocal minority has leveraged control of a political party and allied with forces (aka money) that have no interest in conservative values or governance.

HappyWarrior Oct 18, 2015 • 2:12:55pm

re: #68 Backwoods_Sleuth

Supreme Court Justice Scalia on the subject of innocence and DP:

thinkprogress.org

sigh…

A truly vile man who shouldn’t be on the USSC and definitely not a model for future judges.

Targetpractice Oct 18, 2015 • 2:13:07pm

re: #68 Backwoods_Sleuth

Supreme Court Justice Scalia on the subject of innocence and DP:

thinkprogress.org

sigh…

The model for future GOP SCOTUS nominations, ladies and gents.

HappyWarrior Oct 18, 2015 • 2:13:55pm

re: #69 goddamnedfrank

He’s an idiot speaking to idiots. Common Core meets the definition of a state program, it was created by the Governor’s Association. The federal government wasn’t involved at all.

Also ignores that children throughout the nation apply to the same universities.

goddamnedfrank Oct 18, 2015 • 2:14:41pm

re: #68 Backwoods_Sleuth

Supreme Court Justice Scalia on the subject of innocence and DP:

thinkprogress.org

sigh…

Scalia doing the most to out Orwell George Orwell in that sentence.

Nyet Oct 18, 2015 • 2:15:03pm

re: #68 Backwoods_Sleuth

“Kill them all, God will know His own”.

HappyWarrior Oct 18, 2015 • 2:15:37pm

I’d appreciate it if Scalia was just honest and said he doesn’t care if innocent men and women die.

goddamnedfrank Oct 18, 2015 • 2:15:54pm

re: #70 SteveMcGaziBolaGate

Never too late. Overdue?, sure. At least twenty five years overdue. The state of affairs right now is that a vocal minority has leveraged control of a political party and allied with forces (aka money) that have no interest in conservative values or governance.

So abandon the ship because she’s going down. Build something new with hookers and blackjack.

Dark_Falcon Oct 18, 2015 • 2:16:12pm

re: #46 goddamnedfrank

Literally a They’re No Angels argument from Trump against compensating the Five for the years they spent in prison wrongly convicted.

The correct answer to that is: “Other bad acts they committed are irrelevant, as they were not imprisoned because of those other acts. If someone didn’t do the crime for which they were convicted, then they shouldn’t have done the time they ended up doing.”

SteveMcGaziBolaGate Oct 18, 2015 • 2:18:05pm

re: #65 HappyWarrior

Your idea misses something. By switching our party registration to GOP, we can no longer vote for people in our party’s primaries. And frankly I have no desire to save the GOP from itself, that’s up to active Republicans like DF not Democrats like me. They created this mess, they can fix it or rot.

I understand that. This is really limited to states with closed primaries like PA. (19 states have open primaries) While you may not want to save the GOP from itself, remember how much the disfunctional GOP harms everybody. It’s also worth considering the potential harm posed by the GOP in case a close Presidential election swings their way due to turnout problems and voter restriction laws. Huffing and puffing about the GOP’s problems being “in house” won’t do you much good then.

HappyWarrior Oct 18, 2015 • 2:18:11pm

re: #78 Dark_Falcon

The correct answer to that is: “Other bad acts they committed are irrelevant, as they were not imprisoned because of those other acts. If someone didn’t do the crime for which they were convicted, then they shouldn’t have done the time they ended up doing.”

Duh but try telling to these tough on crime types.

SteveMcGaziBolaGate Oct 18, 2015 • 2:18:42pm

re: #77 goddamnedfrank

So abandon the ship because she’s going down. Build something new with hookers and blackjack.

Not sure what that even means.

Nyet Oct 18, 2015 • 2:19:30pm

re: #78 Dark_Falcon

The correct answer to that is: “Other bad acts they committed are irrelevant, as they were not imprisoned because of those other acts.

Actually they were, but once the case was tainted, there was no chance convictions for the other stuff wouldn’t have been vacated.

Nyet Oct 18, 2015 • 2:20:32pm

re: #81 SteveMcGaziBolaGate

Not sure what that even means.

Blackjack and Hookers (BENDER!!)

HappyWarrior Oct 18, 2015 • 2:20:37pm

re: #79 SteveMcGaziBolaGate

I understand that. This is really limited to states with closed primaries like PA. (19 states have open primaries) While you may not want to save the GOP from itself, remember how much the disfunctional GOP harms everybody. It’s also worth considering the potential harm posed by the GOP in case a close Presidential election swings their way due to turnout problems and voter restriction laws. Huffing and puffing about the GOP’s problems being “in house” won’t do you much good then.

I understand that we need a functional opposition but the few sane ones left need to do the fixing. You even concede your plan could only work in closed primary states. Your heart is in the right spot but ultimately its existing Republicans that will decide the GOP’s fate.

Targetpractice Oct 18, 2015 • 2:20:37pm

re: #78 Dark_Falcon

The correct answer to that is: “Other bad acts they committed are irrelevant, as they were not imprisoned because of those other acts. If someone didn’t do the crime for which they were convicted, then they shouldn’t have done the time they ended up doing.”

The “No Angels” bit in this case is Donald arguing that, if they hadn’t been imprisoned falsely for rape, then they would have been imprisoned for mugging/beating someone, so the scales remain balanced and the city should have argued before a judge that the two crimes are karmatically equal.

BeachDem Oct 18, 2015 • 2:20:50pm

re: #7 Aunty Entity Dragon

Who gives a fuck if they are innocent? Scalia sez actual innocence is not a bar to being executed! Anyways…they probably did something else we don’ even know about, so fuck it. They can fry and we can laugh.

And the cretin has held that view for a LONG time:

From an “Ethics in America” panel that Scalia participated in back in 1989.

… At the moment where the moderator indicated that the innocent man was about to be executed for a crime he didn’t commit, Justice Scalia spoke up: “Well, he probably did something else wrong anyway.”

Nyet Oct 18, 2015 • 2:21:37pm

re: #85 Targetpractice

Which misses the point that he wanted them dead…

goddamnedfrank Oct 18, 2015 • 2:22:06pm

re: #81 SteveMcGaziBolaGate

Not sure what that even means.

Know your meme.

The GOP is permanently fucked. It fucked itself by incubating the Tea Party which has now taken over its junk like some kind of weaponized herpes virus. You can’t get rid of them, they’d rather destroy the party than let you have it back. Just leave, and don’t look back.

HappyWarrior Oct 18, 2015 • 2:22:48pm

re: #86 BeachDem

And the cretin has held that view for a LONG time:

From an “Ethics in America” panel that Scalia participated in back in 1989.

… At the moment where the moderator indicated that the innocent man was about to be executed for a crime he didn’t commit, Justice Scalia spoke up: “Well, he probably did something else wrong anyway.”

Scalia showing his authoritarian nature. I’d love to hear a conservative tell me why this guy is a model judge when he thinks like that.

ObserverArt Oct 18, 2015 • 2:24:07pm

re: #65 HappyWarrior

Your idea misses something. By switching our party registration to GOP, we can no longer vote for people in our party’s primaries. And frankly I have no desire to save the GOP from itself, that’s up to active Republicans like DF not Democrats like me. They created this mess, they can fix it or rot.

Steve’s plea is an enablers plea.

That party is not changing while they have control of congress. They deep down think this election thing is just that, a thing. They still see Clinton/Dems as they always have, and they think they can still win the presidency in 2016.

They need trounced. They need to see that people are in a toss-the-bums-out mode, which is what cost the Dems the congress and will probably turn on the Republicans this time.

When their talking heads answer any question about the turmoil in their party with “well look, even the Democrats are split between insiders Clinton and outsiders Sanders, so…” There is no admittance to the problems.

Nope, they still have hope and so they see no reason to change.

Nope. Nope. Nope.

Dark_Falcon Oct 18, 2015 • 2:24:32pm

re: #80 HappyWarrior

Duh but try telling to these tough on crime types.

Hey, I’m not one for coddling crooks, but but I also believe that someone must not be punished because others intuit that he or she is a criminal. Criminality must be proven, or else the law loses its credibility and meaning.

Nyet Oct 18, 2015 • 2:24:37pm

Every time a conservative says wild stuff like “there is no right to privacy in the constitution”, “there is no wall of separation there”, “the constitution doesn’t care about actual innocence” they’re saying that it’s a worthless piece of paper.

goddamnedfrank Oct 18, 2015 • 2:25:14pm

re: #87 Nyet

Which misses the point that he wanted them dead…

Also that the law isn’t set up to deal with karma, and treating them as guilty of assaults they were never even tried for in order to reduce compensation for a wrongful conviction would constitute a gross due process violation.

Targetpractice Oct 18, 2015 • 2:26:48pm

re: #87 Nyet

Which misses the point that he wanted them dead…

The other day, I got into it with a wingnut about the case involving a woman firing shots at a couple of shoplifters. I asked him what part of shooting at guys who presented no danger to her was “self-defense.” His response was to suggest to me that these guys would, if not killed in that parking lot, go from shoplifting to armed robbery and one day somebody would end up dead. That’s the mindset of guys like Trump, that mugging somebody today will inevitably lead to killing someone tomorrow, so we’re doing society a favor by executing them even if they haven’t actually killed anyone.

Dark_Falcon Oct 18, 2015 • 2:27:02pm

re: #85 Targetpractice

The “No Angels” bit in this case is Donald arguing that, if they hadn’t been imprisoned falsely for rape, then they would have been imprisoned for mugging/beating someone, so the scales remain balanced and the city should have argued before a judge that the two crimes are karmatically equal.

I know what Trump was saying,and I gave what would be my reply to his argument.

Dark_Falcon Oct 18, 2015 • 2:28:59pm

re: #93 goddamnedfrank

Also that the law isn’t set up to deal with karma, and treating them as guilty of assaults they were never even tried for in order to reduce compensation for a wrongful conviction would constitute a gross due process violation.

THIS.

Targetpractice Oct 18, 2015 • 2:29:21pm

re: #95 Dark_Falcon

I know what Trump was saying,and I gave what would be my reply to his argument.

And you’re offering a rational response to an irrational argument.

Backwoods_Sleuth Oct 18, 2015 • 2:30:01pm

re: #86 BeachDem

And the cretin has held that view for a LONG time:

From an “Ethics in America” panel that Scalia participated in back in 1989.

… At the moment where the moderator indicated that the innocent man was about to be executed for a crime he didn’t commit, Justice Scalia spoke up: “Well, he probably did something else wrong anyway.”

that’s the quote I was looking for, but I’m still very very slow with typing mostly one-handed.

goddamnedfrank Oct 18, 2015 • 2:30:52pm

re: #94 Targetpractice

The other day, I got into it with a wingnut about the case involving a woman firing shots at a couple of shoplifters. I asked him what part of shooting at guys who presented no danger to her was “self-defense.” His response was to suggest to me that these guys would, if not killed in that parking lot, go from shoplifting to armed robbery and one day somebody would end up dead. That’s the mindset of guys like Trump, that mugging somebody today will inevitably lead to killing someone tomorrow, so we’re doing society a favor by executing them even if they haven’t actually killed anyone.

They’re describing the Fleeing Felon rule. It was basically gutted in the 1985 Tennessee v. Garner decision.

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Kid A Oct 18, 2015 • 2:31:48pm

@realDonaldTrump Go get your fucking shine box.

— Billy Batts (@BillyBatts1970) October 18, 2015

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BeachDem Oct 18, 2015 • 2:32:02pm

re: #65 HappyWarrior

Your idea misses something. By switching our party registration to GOP, we can no longer vote for people in our party’s primaries. And frankly I have no desire to save the GOP from itself, that’s up to active Republicans like DF not Democrats like me. They created this mess, they can fix it or rot.

This.

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Dark_Falcon Oct 18, 2015 • 2:33:59pm

And to anyone from other blogs who might read what G-D-Frank or I wrote and disagree with our concern for the law and due process let me just say this:

If you stand for the 1st and/or 2nd Amendments, then you also have to stand for the 5th and 14th Amendments. Weakening any part of the Constitution weakens the document as a whole. You need to stand for the Constitution* in its entirety or you do not stand for it at all.

*: This does not preclude seeking to amend the Constitution, so long as you accept that any sections you seek to alter must be respected as the Law of the Land as currently written until they have been amended.

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goddamnedfrank Oct 18, 2015 • 2:34:49pm

@realDonaldTrump Is there anything that you WON’T masturbate your ego to?

— goddamnedfrank (@goddamnedfrank) October 18, 2015

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HappyWarrior Oct 18, 2015 • 2:37:42pm

re: #91 Dark_Falcon

Hey, I’m not one for coddling crooks, but but I also believe that someone must not be punished because others intuit that he or she is a criminal. Criminality must be proven, or else the law loses its credibility and meaning.

It not only discredits the judicial system, it is morally wrong too. It’s a disgusting worldview but it’s how we have sent so many innocent men and women to death.

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BeachDem Oct 18, 2015 • 2:40:07pm

re: #98 Backwoods_Sleuth

that’s the quote I was looking for, but I’m still very very slow with typing mostly one-handed.

I refer to it often, so it is easy to locate!

What happened to your hand? (I’ve been mostly out of the loop these past 17 days.)

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SteveMcGaziBolaGate Oct 18, 2015 • 2:41:29pm

re: #88 goddamnedfrank

Know your meme.

The GOP is permanently fucked. It fucked itself by incubating the Tea Party which has now taken over its junk like some kind of weaponized herpes virus. You can’t get rid of them, they’d rather destroy the party than let you have it back. Just leave, and don’t look back.

Looked at the link. Still don’t see how that applies, I guess it’s sounds like fun even if it doesn’t mean anything. Like I said, you can congratulate yourself that you can resist the wingnut appeal, but the current state of affairs doesn’t really show any likelihood for change, other than to allow the wingnuts to remain close to dominating us. If you think a new party would somehow rise up from nowhere, it would always be a weak third party and not actually solve the problem we have, namely the proximity of the radical right to total power.

I was critical of Hillary Clinton about a week ago for running a tepid campaign and making mistakes. Some lizards thought I was a man of no goodwill and assumed I was parroting RW talking points. The fact is that Clinton is no Barack Obama (not many people are, it isn’t a slight), and people are assuming that she will inspire turnout like Barack Obama did. I don’t take it for granted. Combine that with voter restriction laws, and we could wake up one Wednesday morning and find that a close party line election went the wrong way.

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BeachDem Oct 18, 2015 • 2:41:47pm

re: #100 Kid A

[Embedded content]

WTF is the “Trump Halo effect?” Is it like a Wolf Blitzer hologram?

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ObserverArt Oct 18, 2015 • 2:42:14pm

re: #75 Nyet

“Kill them all, God will know His own”.

Ah, the more elegant version of “Kill ‘em all and let God sort it out.”

One thing about that thought has always stood out to me. When God does the knowing and the sorting, those that were the judges and jury are in consideration too.

Many seem to think like that seem to think they are disassociated.

That God they speak of, they say he knows all.

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Backwoods_Sleuth Oct 18, 2015 • 2:42:16pm

re: #104 HappyWarrior

It not only discredits the judicial system, it is morally wrong too. It’s a disgusting worldview but it’s how we have sent so many innocent men and women to death.

not to even mention how many innocent people are wasting away (and sometimes dying) in jail/prison for non-DP crimes they did not commit.

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SteveMcGaziBolaGate Oct 18, 2015 • 2:42:21pm

re: #98 Backwoods_Sleuth

that’s the quote I was looking for, but I’m still very very slow with typing mostly one-handed.

I better not.

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gocart mozart Oct 18, 2015 • 2:42:40pm

re: #103 goddamnedfrank

@realDonaldTrump I had sex with a woman last night, she had three orgasms. Thanks Trump!
— gocart mozart (@attymix1) October 18, 2015

Not intended to be a true statement.

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Timothy Watson Oct 18, 2015 • 2:47:08pm

re: #108 ObserverArt

Ah, the more elegant version of “Kill ‘em all and let God sort it out.”

One thing about that thought has always stood out to me. When God does the knowing and the sorting, those that were the judges and jury are in consideration too.

Many seem to think like that seem to think they are disassociated.

That God they speak of, they say he knows all.

The more formal quote is attributed to Arnaud Amalric, who lead the Massacre of Beziers which resulted in the murder of 20,000 people in a city which had followers of the Cathar heresy in it.
en.wikipedia.org

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Backwoods_Sleuth Oct 18, 2015 • 2:49:12pm

re: #105 BeachDem

I refer to it often, so it is easy to locate!

What happened to your hand? (I’ve been mostly out of the loop these past 17 days.)

tripped over one of the ebil kittehs on September 30, hit the kitchen floor hard, and fractured my right arm in two places up near the shoulder.
I just got the notice from my insurance company for the bill that the bone specialist submitted and I’m gobsmacked: $946 ($653 of which was labeled as “surgery”).
It was a follow-up office visit that involved 2 or 3 x-rays, the doctor never came within 6 feet of me in the exam room. No cast ever. He just told me to stop wearing the sling and to do range of motion exercises, and come back in five weeks.

O_o

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Nyet Oct 18, 2015 • 2:51:21pm

re: #112 Timothy Watson

The quote is of course apocryphal, but like many apocryphal quotes it captures the zeitgeist.

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BeachDem Oct 18, 2015 • 2:51:42pm

re: #113 Backwoods_Sleuth

tripped over one of the ebil kittehs on September 30, hit the kitchen floor hard, and fractured my right arm in two places up near the shoulder.
I just got the notice from my insurance company for the bill that the bone specialist submitted and I’m gobsmacked: $946 ($653 of which was labeled as “surgery”).
It was a follow-up office visit that involved 2 or 3 x-rays, the doctor never came within 6 feet of me in the exam room. No cast ever. He just told me to stop wearing the sling and to do range of motion exercises, and come back in five weeks.

O_o

Ouch—sounds painful (both the injury and the insult to injury added by the bill.)

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goddamnedfrank Oct 18, 2015 • 2:52:00pm

re: #106 SteveMcGaziBolaGate

Looked at the link. Still don’t see how that applies, I guess it’s sounds like fun even if it doesn’t mean anything. Like I said, you can congratulate yourself that you can resist the wingnut appeal, but the current state of affairs doesn’t really show any likelihood for change, other than to allow the wingnuts to remain close to dominating us. If you think a new party would somehow rise up from nowhere, it would always be a weak third party and not actually solve the problem we have, namely the proximity of the radical right to total power.

If establishment Republicans and moderates like you and Dark refused to caucus with the radical right they wouldn’t be anywhere near power. If you simply refused to associate with them and left the party they’d be marginalized.

I was critical of Hillary Clinton about a week ago for running a tepid campaign and making mistakes. Some lizards thought I was a man of no goodwill and assumed I was parroting RW talking points. The fact is that Clinton is no Barack Obama (not many people are, it isn’t a slight), and people are assuming that she will inspire turnout like Barack Obama did. I don’t take it for granted. Combine that with voter restriction laws, and we could wake up one Wednesday morning and find that a close party line election went the wrong way.

Yes, “party-line” being the key word. There wouldn’t be any close party line votes if the semi-reasonable half of the GOP refused to cooperate and align themselves with the now openly racist radical right. The reason they do is because they cynically see such alignment as the only path to victory. In a nutshell they’d rather condone racism and incorporate racists into their organizational structure than let Democrats win.

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Backwoods_Sleuth Oct 18, 2015 • 2:54:25pm

re: #115 BeachDem

Ouch—sounds painful (both the injury and the insult to injury added by the bill.)

There is small yet noticeable improvement every day.
But that ridiculous “surgery” charge? Oh yeah, I’m gonna go after that big time.

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Nyet Oct 18, 2015 • 2:55:09pm

re: #113 Backwoods_Sleuth

After I read some articles about your healthcare, I must say you’re lucky the bill was not for 94600$…

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Dark_Falcon Oct 18, 2015 • 2:55:27pm

re: #113 Backwoods_Sleuth

tripped over one of the ebil kittehs on September 30, hit the kitchen floor hard, and fractured my right arm in two places up near the shoulder.
I just got the notice from my insurance company for the bill that the bone specialist submitted and I’m gobsmacked: $946 ($653 of which was labeled as “surgery”).
It was a follow-up office visit that involved 2 or 3 x-rays, the doctor never came within 6 feet of me in the exam room. No cast ever. He just told me to stop wearing the sling and to do range of motion exercises, and come back in five weeks.

O_o

~~The insurance paid for it (or most of it) though, am I right? Because the original bill in such cases is often inflated, as part of the way payments are negotiated with insurance companies.~~

Edit, because I realize I misread your comment.

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goddamnedfrank Oct 18, 2015 • 2:58:15pm

It’s quite telling that the GOP would rather align with abject racists than try to go after moderate Democrat voters by softening their intransigent stance on things like environmental regulation, reproductive freedom, marriage equality, military spending and foreign policy.

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HappyWarrior Oct 18, 2015 • 2:59:43pm

re: #120 goddamnedfrank

It’s quite telling that the GOP would rather align with abject racists than try to go after moderate Democrat voters by softening their intransigent stance on things like environmental regulation, reproductive freedom, marriage equality, military spending and foreign policy.

Mmm hmm.

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Backwoods_Sleuth Oct 18, 2015 • 3:00:10pm

re: #119 Dark_Falcon

The insurance paid for it (or most of it) though, am I right? Because the original bill in such cases is often inflated, as part of the way payments are negotiated with insurance companies.

yes, my part of the bill is $87.23. But that “surgery” charge is completely bogus. That’s not “inflating”, that is flat out lying to the insurance company.
This is why people should pay attention to billing.
And this is yet another problem with the healthcare system in this country.

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Targetpractice Oct 18, 2015 • 3:00:55pm

We’re heard this bit time and again, the “vote for the sane candidates” idea of how to reform the GOP. And almost every time this is attempted, the “sane” candidate turns out to either be a closet loony or afraid to stand up to the loonies for fear that they’ll be primaried for not being sufficiently pure in the eyes of their increasingly loony base. See also: Mark Kirk.

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HappyWarrior Oct 18, 2015 • 3:02:01pm

re: #123 Targetpractice

We’re heard this bit time and again, the “vote for the sane candidates” idea of how to reform the GOP. And almost every time this is attempted, the “sane” candidate turns out to either be a closet loony or afraid to stand up to the loonies for fear that they’ll be primaried for not being sufficiently pure in the eyes of their increasingly loony base. See also: Mark Kirk.

Exactly.

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Timothy Watson Oct 18, 2015 • 3:02:07pm

re: #123 Targetpractice

We’re heard this bit time and again, the “vote for the sane candidates” idea of how to reform the GOP. And almost every time this is attempted, the “sane” candidate turns out to either be a closet loony or afraid to stand up to the loonies for fear that they’ll be primaried for not being sufficiently pure in the eyes of their increasingly loony base. See also: Mark Kirk.

SHOTS FIRED

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Eric The Fruit Bat Oct 18, 2015 • 3:04:30pm

re: #32 goddamnedfrank

@realDonaldTrump At least they didn’t cause investors to lose their money in bankruptcy 4 times like you did. And you want to be POTUS? #NFW

— Eric The Fruit Bat (@ericdafruitbat) October 18, 2015

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Backwoods_Sleuth Oct 18, 2015 • 3:04:50pm

re: #123 Targetpractice

We’re heard this bit time and again, the “vote for the sane candidates” idea of how to reform the GOP. And almost every time this is attempted, the “sane” candidate turns out to either be a closet loony or afraid to stand up to the loonies for fear that they’ll be primaried for not being sufficiently pure in the eyes of their increasingly loony base. See also: Mark Kirk.

I’m still a registered Republican because (1) Democrats are hopelessly outnumbered here in my part of Kentucky and (2) given that we have closed primaries, it’s the only way I can vote for the least insane person running in the primary.
Sadly, this past primary for Kentucky governor, there was not a single sane person running on the GOP ballot. Not a single one.
The one who won was a TP/Libertarian lunatic and so were the rest.

arrrggggghh

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SteveMcGaziBolaGate Oct 18, 2015 • 3:04:51pm

re: #122 Backwoods_Sleuth

yes, my part of the bill is $87.23. But that “surgery” charge is completely bogus. That’s not “inflating”, that is flat out lying to the insurance company.
This is why people should pay attention to billing.
And this is yet another problem with the healthcare system in this country.

When it comes to insurance claims, “surgery” is a fungible word. Many CPT codes for procedures that get submitted to insurance companies (as opposed to those for office visits) come under the surgical intervention umbrella.

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goddamnedfrank Oct 18, 2015 • 3:05:25pm

Moderate Republicans are all like …

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SteveMcGaziBolaGate Oct 18, 2015 • 3:07:35pm

re: #123 Targetpractice

We’re heard this bit time and again, the “vote for the sane candidates” idea of how to reform the GOP. And almost every time this is attempted, the “sane” candidate turns out to either be a closet loony or afraid to stand up to the loonies for fear that they’ll be primaried for not being sufficiently pure in the eyes of their increasingly loony base. See also: Mark Kirk.

Arlen Spector is also an example. When he ran for Senate the last time as a Republican, he told the people of PA that he would resist ultra conservative judicial nominees. By the time the new Congress began (and he was the newly minted Judiciary Committee chairman), he had promised to give all nominees at least a fair shot.

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Backwoods_Sleuth Oct 18, 2015 • 3:09:18pm

re: #128 SteveMcGaziBolaGate

When it comes to insurance claims, “surgery” is a fungible word. Many CPT codes for procedures that get submitted to insurance companies (as opposed to those for office visits) come under the surgical intervention umbrella.

It was an office visit.
And the doctor’s name wasn’t the person I saw.
I’m sorry, almost $1,000 for a couple of x-rays and few minutes of actual facetime is ridiculous.

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Targetpractice Oct 18, 2015 • 3:11:33pm

re: #130 SteveMcGaziBolaGate

Arlen Spector is also an example. When he ran for Senate the last time as a Republican, he told the people of PA that he would resist ultra conservative judicial nominees. By the time the new Congress began (and he was the newly minted Judiciary Committee chairman), he had promised to give all nominees at least a fair shot.

Arlen Specter, the guy who changed party affiliations because the rising wave of lunacy in his own party meant there was no way he was going to win the GOP primary, so he changed parties?

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Eric The Fruit Bat Oct 18, 2015 • 3:12:12pm

re: #128 SteveMcGaziBolaGate

And watch out for ‘drive by’ consultations that get added to bills when all the ‘consulting’ physician did was step foot into the OR as ask if everything was OK.

Colonoscopies are a prime example. If the MD doesn’t find anything, under the the ACA rules, it should be no charge. OTOH, if the doc finds any polyps it immediately becomes a surgical routine, the polyps are removed and sent off for biopsies and gets charged accordingly.

There is zero price transparency in the health care industry unless you deal with a doctor who does not take insurance and places the burden on you to file with your insurance carrier off-network (but they do post prices!) or pay a ‘retaining fee’ (a la the legal profession) for routine visits.

And you can’t even get price transparency in the vet business either.

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WhatEVs Oct 18, 2015 • 3:14:14pm

re: #89 HappyWarrior

Scalia showing his authoritarian nature. I’d love to hear a conservative tell me why this guy is a model judge when he thinks like that.

He’s a model judge, to them because he thinks like that. It’s a feature, not a bug.

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Chez Ko Pe Oct 18, 2015 • 3:18:22pm

re: #41 De Kolta Chair

I look at that and all I can see is “Damn Granny.”

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HappyWarrior Oct 18, 2015 • 3:18:47pm

re: #134 WhatEVs

He’s a model judge, to them because he thinks like that. It’s a feature, not a bug.

Too true just would love to see an explanation. Those words alone are why I wouldn’t want hints even be a trial judge let alone one of the nine

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BeachDem Oct 18, 2015 • 3:22:47pm

re: #123 Targetpractice

We’re heard this bit time and again, the “vote for the sane candidates” idea of how to reform the GOP. And almost every time this is attempted, the “sane” candidate turns out to either be a closet loony or afraid to stand up to the loonies for fear that they’ll be primaried for not being sufficiently pure in the eyes of their increasingly loony base. See also: Mark Kirk.

And I’ll go even further and say that, in most, if not all cases, the worst Democrat is still a step up from the sanest Republican. I’ll take a Joe Manchin or a Joe Lieberman, as much as it pains me to do it, over what Republicans refer to as “moderates.” If they’re running as Republicans, they’re running on the Republican platform, and that doesn’t reflect anything I support on any level.

I love chatting with people who say, “Oh, I’m pretty liberal about social issues, but I’m fiscally conservative.” I respond, “Oh, so you’re a Democrat, right? Because the Republican party is as far from being fiscally conservative as you can get. And, as you already said you’re liberal on social issues, there’s no WAY you can vote for a Republican.”

I get the million yard stare, then, those who get it kinda smile and nod their heads.

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stpaulbear Oct 18, 2015 • 3:26:00pm

re: #116 goddamnedfrank

There wouldn’t be any close party line votes if the semi-reasonable half of the GOP refused to cooperate and align themselves with the now openly racist radical right. The reason they do is because they cynically see such alignment as the only path to victory. In a nutshell they’d rather condone racism and incorporate racists into their organizational structure than let Democrats win.

Quoted just because it needs to be said over and over. So-called moderate republicans are so afraid of democrats in power that they’ll vote for insane levels of craziness. I’d love to see dems win both houses and the presidency just so that everyone could see how non-crazy that would be (although the wingnut howl would be a thing to behold).

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Charles Johnson Oct 18, 2015 • 3:28:43pm

Movies Like Truth Are Why So Many People Hate “Hollywood Liberals”

“The retelling of the report that cost Dan Rather his job badly stacks its deck.”

Yup.

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Charles Johnson Oct 18, 2015 • 3:32:06pm

Chuck Johnson’s crappy website is down again.

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HappyWarrior Oct 18, 2015 • 3:32:24pm

I think of the elected moderates like Big X did of the Germans in the Great Escape, the moderate GOPers are part of the same hateful machine. The same party that would rather cut services for poor people than raise taxes on the wealthy, that would rather say silent or offer MBFs on choice and glbt rights.

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Charles Johnson Oct 18, 2015 • 3:38:07pm

LOL. Chuck Johnson is still threatening to sue everybody who ever criticized him. pic.twitter.com/x3Tm4ezkGE

— Charles Johnson (@Green_Footballs) October 18, 2015

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b.d. Oct 18, 2015 • 3:40:00pm

Revisiting the train wreck:

Apparently, @DrBenCarson2016 & @JebBush are still “on the way” to #NTXForum. Carson set to be on stage now.
— Morgan Smith (@MorganSmith) October 18, 2015

I was going to grumpily encourage the people tweeting IHOP to find a better way to spend their Sunday, but I have no ground to stand on
— christopher hack (@cd_hooks) October 18, 2015

.@Prestonwood do you guys sell liquor
— christopher hack (@cd_hooks) October 18, 2015

This church has every goddamn service in the world except a bar. Missed opportunity
— christopher hack (@cd_hooks) October 18, 2015

hahaha

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Jay C Oct 18, 2015 • 3:41:44pm

re: #120 goddamnedfrank

It’s quite telling that the GOP would rather align with abject racists than try to go after moderate Democrat voters by softening their intransigent stance on things like environmental regulation, reproductive freedom, marriage equality, military spending and foreign policy.

It’s kind of hard to go after voters by “softening” one political party’s “stance on things”, when said stance is regarded by the party’s (organized and reliably bloc-voting) base as:

1. The Only Good, True Just and Right Policy in any circumstances.
2. The O G, T, J & R Policy is regarded (often literally) as the Word of God.
3. The O G, T, J & R Policy to follow as opposition to, or deviations from it are not just “political” but actually existentially Evil.
4. Opponents/deviationists/”wrong” policies cannot be compromised with, as they are
also existentially Evil.
5. The hardcore base will react as a uniform bloc to ensure compliance with points 1-4.

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Timothy Watson Oct 18, 2015 • 3:42:34pm

re: #142 Charles Johnson

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And on what grounds is he going to sue Twitter on?

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Feline Fearless Leader Oct 18, 2015 • 3:43:51pm

re: #65 HappyWarrior

Your idea misses something. By switching our party registration to GOP, we can no longer vote for people in our party’s primaries. And frankly I have no desire to save the GOP from itself, that’s up to active Republicans like DF not Democrats like me. They created this mess, they can fix it or rot.

I’m waiting for the GOP to start putting property requirements and other equivalents to poll tests in their primary voting requirements. If it’s so good for the citizenry at-large they should prototype it on themselves first.

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teleskiguy Oct 18, 2015 • 3:45:32pm

Democrats are moderate Republicans. Republicans are theocratic fascists.

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HappyWarrior Oct 18, 2015 • 3:45:57pm

re: #146 Feline Fearless Leader

I’m waiting for the GOP to start putting property requirements and other equivalents to poll tests in their primary voting requirements. If it’s so good for the citizenry at-large they should prototype it on themselves first.

white land owning white males preferably Protestant!

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Lidane Oct 18, 2015 • 3:46:02pm

Your 2016 GOP front-runner:

Trump: With My Immigration Plans, 9/11 Would Never Have Happened http://t.co/3MQi7CGGcm (VIDEO) pic.twitter.com/PdqOwIc4Mw

— Mediaite (@Mediaite) October 18, 2015

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Lidane Oct 18, 2015 • 3:46:56pm

re: #147 teleskiguy

Democrats are moderate Republicans. Republicans are theocratic fascists.

THIS. SO MUCH.

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BeenHereAwhile Oct 18, 2015 • 3:47:08pm

re: #27 thedopefishlives

I’m still holding out hope that the evangelicals will, eventually, figure out that he doesn’t have the religious fervor they’ve come to expect of right-wing candidates, and turn on him en masse. But it’s looking at this point as if they’re too busy celebrating his hard-line conservatism and are willing to overlook his lack of religious credentials.

The evangelicals never questioned why Ronald Reagan didn’t go to church services.

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Great White Snark Oct 18, 2015 • 3:48:05pm

Up for a beauty moment? Sunday Macro, all shot this afternoon.

littlegreenfootballs.com

Hint

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HappyWarrior Oct 18, 2015 • 3:49:25pm

re: #147 teleskiguy

Democrats are moderate Republicans. Republicans are theocratic fascists.

Pretty much.

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Eclectic Cyborg Oct 18, 2015 • 3:52:45pm

re: #149 Lidane

Yep because those terrorists totally came through Mexico to get here.

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Feline Fearless Leader Oct 18, 2015 • 3:52:57pm

re: #118 Nyet

After I read some articles about your healthcare, I must say you’re lucky the bill was not for 94600$…

I’m slowly working on a page about the bill I got for my kidney stone attack (Emergency room visit) in late August.

Whatever politicians think that we don’t need a national healthcare system and the poor should “just use the emergency room” are very high on my shit list at this time.

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Jay C Oct 18, 2015 • 3:53:11pm

re: #145 Timothy Watson

And on what grounds is he going to sue Twitter on?

Grounds? Or the floor??

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lockjawcanbefun Oct 18, 2015 • 3:54:56pm

re: #154 Eclectic Cyborg

Wait ‘til you see how hooge his wall in the Atlantic is going to be.

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Belafon Oct 18, 2015 • 3:55:44pm

re: #147 teleskiguy

Democrats are moderate Republicans. Republicans are theocratic fascists.

So, what you’re saying is, we’ve only ever had your definition of Democrats in this country from the 1930s to the 1970s.

Edit: And I mean Democrat in terms of liberal policies, no matter what their party affiliation was.

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b.d. Oct 18, 2015 • 3:55:55pm

re: #154 Eclectic Cyborg

Yep because those terrorists totally came through Mexico to get here.

That reminds me, what ever happened to that ISIS army that was hanging out just south of the Rio Grande?

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Shiplord Kirel Oct 18, 2015 • 3:56:04pm

re: #139 Charles Johnson

Movies Like Truth Are Why So Many People Hate “Hollywood Liberals”

“The retelling of the report that cost Dan Rather his job badly stacks its deck.”

Yup.

Among other things, Mapes and the other defenders of Rather’s crude forgeries showed the right wing how easy it is to use outright fabrication and bald face, easily exposed, lies to influence national opinion. They seem to have learned the lesson well. Just ask Planned Parenthood or the ghost of ACORN.

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Eric The Fruit Bat Oct 18, 2015 • 3:57:54pm

re: #142 Charles Johnson

Poor schlub things because he holds TWTR stock he can participate in future lawsuits which will have absolutely zero to do with whatever alleged denial of service / loss of revenue (heh) he has suffered by preventing him for using their platform.

I remember when he was on Rogan’s Podcast and was blabbering on about Amy Scuirto’s ex, Coyote Shivers and how CCJ was backing him when the CA courts threw the vexatious litigant label on him quite a few years back.

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Feline Fearless Leader Oct 18, 2015 • 4:01:02pm

re: #157 lockjawcanbefun

Wait ‘til you see how hooge his wall in the Atlantic is going to be.

You know who else had an Atlantic Wall that he boasted heavily about.

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Backwoods_Sleuth Oct 18, 2015 • 4:02:30pm

re: #155 Feline Fearless Leader

I’m slowly working on a page about the bill I got for my kidney stone attack (Emergency room visit) in late August.

Whatever politicians think that we don’t need a national healthcare system and the poor should “just use the emergency room” are very high on my shit list at this time.

I haven’t yet seen the insurance notice for my ER visit.
The hospital gave me a discount on my estimated share of the bill if I paid them $326.03 right then and there.
I paid.

Trying to write a legible check with my broken right arm…

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Feline Fearless Leader Oct 18, 2015 • 4:03:00pm

re: #159 b.d.

That reminds me, what ever happened to that ISIS army that was hanging out just south of the Rio Grande?

Gary Busey killed them all using a secret prototype super tank.

en.wikipedia.org

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b.d. Oct 18, 2015 • 4:03:04pm

Does Ben know that the crowd he is talking to is for the cops killing a young Ben Carson?

.@RealBenCarson recalls trying to stab someone “in the abdomen” as a 14-year-old. #NTXforum

— Patrick Svitek (@PatrickSvitek) October 18, 2015

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b.d. Oct 18, 2015 • 4:03:57pm

re: #164 Feline Fearless Leader

Gary Busey killed them all using a secret prototype super tank.

en.wikipedia.org

Good for Gary, I was always wondering what we kept him around for.

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Targetpractice Oct 18, 2015 • 4:04:01pm

re: #165 b.d.

Does Ben know that the crowd he is talking to is for the cops killing a young Ben Carson?

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He’s “one of the good ones,” so they’ll view this as “youthful indiscretion.”

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gocart mozart Oct 18, 2015 • 4:07:01pm

re: #154 Eclectic Cyborg

This is why we need a wall on the Canadian border with a moat with sharks with hockey sticks. [I know that sharks have no arms for hockey, we’ll teach them and create jobs for Americans.] Trump, I’m available for more advise, please call.

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b.d. Oct 18, 2015 • 4:08:00pm

re: #168 gocart mozart

This is why we need a wall on the Canadian border with a moat with sharks with hockey sticks.

Too late, Ted Cruz is already here.

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Timothy Watson Oct 18, 2015 • 4:09:50pm

re: #164 Feline Fearless Leader

Gary Busey killed them all using a secret prototype super tank.

en.wikipedia.org

Wow…that movie sounds bizarre, even for the ’80s.

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Reality Based Steve Oct 18, 2015 • 4:10:12pm

re: #165 b.d.

Does Ben know that the crowd he is talking to is for the cops killing a young Ben Carson?

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Isn’t Carson stepping away from campaigning the next couple of weeks to focus more on a book tour? I seem to recall reading that, but that also his campaign HQ is saying that no, he’s still going to be doing events and stuff.

RBS

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Targetpractice Oct 18, 2015 • 4:10:44pm

re: #169 b.d.

Too late, Ted Cruz is already here.

It’s part of their grand scheme, covertly sending their agents to our country to wreck our nation from within. I mean look at the horrors wrought by Agents Dion and Kroeger.

///

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TedStriker Oct 18, 2015 • 4:13:14pm

re: #170 Timothy Watson

Wow…that movie sounds bizarre, even for the ’80s.

At least it had Henry Silva and Danny Trejo…

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b.d. Oct 18, 2015 • 4:13:59pm

re: #171 Reality Based Steve

Isn’t Carson stepping away from campaigning the next couple of weeks to focus more on a book tour? I seem to recall reading that, but that also his campaign HQ is saying that no, he’s still going to be doing events and stuff.

RBS

I heard that too, I think he had to say that to skirt the laws. Because iokiyar

Buy a book from this jaw dropping quote machine

Carson: Jefferson said debt was immoral. “If we could bring him back right now, he’d just stroke out immediately.”
— christopher hack (@cd_hooks) October 18, 2015

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wrenchwench Oct 18, 2015 • 4:15:19pm

happy baby goat is very content with life pic.twitter.com/dAFAScN4ZA

— Sassy Goats (@TheSassyGoats) October 18, 2015

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b.d. Oct 18, 2015 • 4:17:26pm

re: #175 wrenchwench

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because Chuck ain’t around.

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HappyWarrior Oct 18, 2015 • 4:17:33pm

re: #174 b.d.

I heard that too, I think he had to say that to skirt the laws. Because iokiyar

Buy a book from this jaw dropping quote machine

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Due to conservative policy but who actually cares about facts in the GOP?

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Jay C Oct 18, 2015 • 4:17:52pm

re: #174 b.d.

Carson: Jefferson said debt was immoral. “If we could bring him back right now, he’d just stroke out immediately.”

At the thought of creatures like Donald Trump, Ben Carson or Ted Cruz being serious candidates for the Presidency? Call the EMTs….

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wrenchwench Oct 18, 2015 • 4:18:17pm

re: #176 b.d.

because Chuck ain’t around.

//

You goat that right.

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Targetpractice Oct 18, 2015 • 4:18:27pm

re: #174 b.d.

I heard that too, I think he had to say that to skirt the laws. Because iokiyar

Buy a book from this jaw dropping quote machine

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Jefferson also believed in pseudoscientific bullshit to justify his decision to keep slaves despite writing “all men are created equal.” And felt free to support rebellion in the newly-minted US while serving as its ambassador in France.

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Lidane Oct 18, 2015 • 4:19:06pm

Another reason to Feel the Bern. He’s got Pharma-Bro having a sad:

@MartinShkreli I’d suggest that you take a “chill pill” but they cost like $950 now

— Mattathias Schwartz (@Schwartzesque) October 18, 2015

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Stanley Sea Toujours Oct 18, 2015 • 4:19:25pm

re: #171 Reality Based Steve

Isn’t Carson stepping away from campaigning the next couple of weeks to focus more on a book tour? I seem to recall reading that, but that also his campaign HQ is saying that no, he’s still going to be doing events and stuff.

RBS

I bet they are selling the books in the lobby.

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Feline Fearless Leader Oct 18, 2015 • 4:20:51pm

re: #170 Timothy Watson

Wow…that movie sounds bizarre, even for the ’80s.

It was borderline so-bad-its-good in its ludicrousness and pressing of all the conservative boogeyman buttons. Saw it on one of the Encore channels a week or two back.

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jaunte Oct 18, 2015 • 4:21:49pm

Ben Carson is making me so sleepy
— christopher hack (@cd_hooks) October 18, 2015

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Feline Fearless Leader Oct 18, 2015 • 4:21:54pm

re: #173 TedStriker

At least it had Henry Silva and Danny Trejo…

Silva was a major character in it. I don’t recall noticing Trejo, which is surprising.

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Stanley Sea Toujours Oct 18, 2015 • 4:23:24pm

re: #174 b.d.

I heard that too, I think he had to say that to skirt the laws. Because iokiyar

Buy a book from this jaw dropping quote machine

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Catching up on the tweets I missed

Rick Santorum asks crowd to “Google Rick Santorum… partial birth abortion YouTube.” Dangerous ask for the Rickster
— christopher hack (@cd_hooks) October 18, 2015

“They’ve taken my name and turned it into something that’s beyond filth,” says Santorum, the name of his father & children. He’s choking up
— christopher hack (@cd_hooks) October 18, 2015

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Joe Bacon Oct 18, 2015 • 4:25:04pm

re: #151 BeenHereAwhile

The evangelicals never questioned why Ronald Reagan didn’t go to church services.

That’s absolutely true. When it comes to my family, they’ve been too brainwashed by their preachers. No matter what I said, they would reply that Reagan was “God’s Man”. My aunt was so deluded by the bullshit on Jesus TV that her prayer altar at home was decorated with pictures of Reagan. She even prayed to Reagan after he died…

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b.d. Oct 18, 2015 • 4:27:26pm

re: #186 Stanley Sea Toujours

Catching up on the tweets I missed

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I had no idea what a Christopher Hooks was until earlier today but he has a new fan

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Timothy Watson Oct 18, 2015 • 4:27:42pm

re: #186 Stanley Sea Toujours

Catching up on the tweets I missed

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He’s starting to sound like Tywin Lannister:

You are an ill-made, spiteful little creature full of envy, lust, and low cunning. Men’s laws give you the right to bear my name and display my colors since I cannot prove that you are not mine. And to teach me humility, the gods have condemned me to watch you waddle about wearing that proud lion that was my father’s sigil and his father’s before him. But neither gods nor men will ever compel me to let you turn Casterly Rock into your whorehouse. Go, now. Speak no more of your rights to Casterly Rock. Go!

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Backwoods_Sleuth Oct 18, 2015 • 4:30:41pm

re: #171 Reality Based Steve

I left something for you downstairs early this morning:
littlegreenfootballs.com

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b.d. Oct 18, 2015 • 4:31:44pm

Gimme that Wingnut religion:

Noticeable amount people leaving before @JebBush takes the stage. We’re now on 3 1/2 hrs of #NTXForum

— Todd Unger (@ToddWFAA8) October 18, 2015

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Lidane Oct 18, 2015 • 4:32:10pm

*cough*

Jeb Bush: ‘Does anybody actually blame my brother for 9/11?’ http://t.co/X8949J2wcF pic.twitter.com/rHcBXG4Xoa

— Talking Points Memo (@TPM) October 18, 2015

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Joe Bacon Oct 18, 2015 • 4:33:21pm

re: #192 Lidane

*cough*

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Uh, yes there are lots of folks who blame your brother for falling down on the job multiple times…

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b.d. Oct 18, 2015 • 4:34:22pm

Says the guy who doesn’t understand the debt ceiling and a lot of other things

@RealBenCarson: “We’re going to look for judges who understand the Constitution” #NTXForum

— Mona Salama (@PoliticalCrazy) October 18, 2015

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HappyWarrior Oct 18, 2015 • 4:34:23pm

re: #192 Lidane

*cough*

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He seems awfully defensive. I don’t actually blame his brother for 9/11 but I don’t like Jeb’s excuses that he makes only because W is his brother either. If 9/11 happened on Obama, Clinton, or even another Republican’s watch, Jeb wouldn’t be doing this.

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HappyWarrior Oct 18, 2015 • 4:35:16pm

re: #194 b.d.

Says the guy who doesn’t understand the debt ceiling and a lot of other things

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Oh good he means more like Sotomayor and Kagan and less like Scalia and Thomas. Thanks Ben./:

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jaunte Oct 18, 2015 • 4:37:14pm

Bush brings up Terri Schiavo. Remember her? “I’m proud of what I did. We should always err on the side of life.”
— christopher hack (@cd_hooks) October 18, 2015

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CuriousLurker Oct 18, 2015 • 4:37:41pm

I’m embarrassed for our country. The GOP has turned the race for the presidency into a cheap game or “reality” show where you enter the contest and suddenly become famous for… well, for nothing really, just famous for being famous because people saw you on their TV—like Paris Hilton, Kim Kardashian, Snooki, etc. Naturally, Trump knows this because he had his own pimpmobile in The Apprentice.

We had what, 17 GOP candidates? Now we’re down to 15. Half or more aren’t even serious—they couldn’t care less about being President—they’re just grifting, cashing in on the fame that name recognition will get them. It’s horrifying to see the race for the office of POTUS stripped of all dignity and turned into a circus sideshow complete with carnival barkers.

I’ll never forgive the GOP for this shit for as long as I live. It’s disgusting.

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Joe Bacon Oct 18, 2015 • 4:38:10pm

re: #197 jaunte

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…even when she was brain dead…

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b.d. Oct 18, 2015 • 4:38:47pm

re: #198 CuriousLurker

Well said

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Big Beautiful Door Oct 18, 2015 • 4:38:49pm

re: #144 Jay C

It’s kind of hard to go after voters by “softening” one political party’s “stance on things”, when said stance is regarded by the party’s (organized and reliably bloc-voting) base as:

1. The Only Good, True Just and Right Policy in any circumstances.
2. The O G, T, J & R Policy is regarded (often literally) as the Word of God.
3. The O G, T, J & R Policy to follow as opposition to, or deviations from it are not just “political” but actually existentially Evil.
4. Opponents/deviationists/”wrong” policies cannot be compromised with, as they are
also existentially Evil.
5. The hardcore base will react as a uniform bloc to ensure compliance with points 1-4.

Gonna have to wait for them to die off.

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HappyWarrior Oct 18, 2015 • 4:38:52pm

Jeb defends his brother over 9/11 the way one defends a sibling when their parents are mad at them. Jeb obviously loves his brother but he’s viewing this issue as a brother not as a citizen of a nation attacked.

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Targetpractice Oct 18, 2015 • 4:39:23pm

re: #192 Lidane

*cough*

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Jeb!, your party’s entire case for pinning the deaths of four Americans on Hillary Clinton is that she should have known that attack was coming from the vague warnings, she should have taken action even though she had no idea what action to take, and her failure to do either should disqualify her for the presidency.

To steal a phrase from Charlie Pierce, “Please to be shutting up.”

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HappyWarrior Oct 18, 2015 • 4:39:28pm

re: #197 jaunte

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Is that why you oppose the DP and condemned the Iraq war Jeb? Oh wait.

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HappyWarrior Oct 18, 2015 • 4:40:41pm

re: #203 Targetpractice

Jeb!, your party’s entire case for pinning the deaths of four Americans on Hillary Clinton is that she should have known that attack was coming from the vague warnings, she should have taken action even though she had no idea what action to take, and her failure to do either should disqualify her for the presidency.

To steal a phrase from Charlie Pierce, “Please to be shutting up.”

Bingo.

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Timothy Watson Oct 18, 2015 • 4:40:43pm

re: #197 jaunte

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Except for the 21 people who were executed in Florida while he was Governor.

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jaunte Oct 18, 2015 • 4:41:33pm

If Jeb is “proud’ of the Terri Schiavo mess, he may be incapable of learning anything.

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b.d. Oct 18, 2015 • 4:42:46pm

I wonder if got the answer right?

Bush asked if N Texas’ turnpike was named after his brother or his dad. #NTXForum

— Conner Hammett (@ConnerHammett) October 18, 2015

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HappyWarrior Oct 18, 2015 • 4:43:35pm

re: #208 b.d.

I wonder if got the answer right?

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I’m asking if Jeb is smarter than George.

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BeachDem Oct 18, 2015 • 4:44:21pm

re: #197 jaunte

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The whole Terri Schiavo debacle is what brought me back to political involvement. Watching the Palm Sunday idiocy, with Bill Frist and crew spouting their bullshit, reminded me how loathsome Republicans are, and from that day on, I’ve been more involved than ever in Democratic politics.

Thanks, Jeb!

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Timothy Watson Oct 18, 2015 • 4:44:46pm

re: #197 jaunte

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Remember, the GOP says Obamacare will result in the government making healthcare and end-of-life decisions about your loved ones…

…just like he tried to do with Terri Schiavo.

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HappyWarrior Oct 18, 2015 • 4:46:04pm

The way he demonized Michael Schiavo was awful.

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Timothy Watson Oct 18, 2015 • 4:46:21pm

And don’t get me started on the absolutely repugnant shit Sean Hannity and others were saying about Michael Schiavo (that her condition was the result of physical abuse by him and he was trying to kill her to get rid of any evidence).

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HappyWarrior Oct 18, 2015 • 4:47:27pm

re: #213 Timothy Watson

And don’t get me started on the absolutely repugnant shit Sean Hannity and others were saying about Michael Schiavo (that her condition was the result of physical abuse by him and he was trying to kill her to get rid of any evidence).

Yeah absolutely disgusting.

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The Vicious Babushka Oct 18, 2015 • 4:47:47pm

Only one guy can make Donald Trump look like a total ass while at the same time making Jeb Bush look good That guy is Donald Trump

— Stonekettle (@Stonekettle) October 18, 2015

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jaunte Oct 18, 2015 • 4:48:12pm

re: #211 Timothy Watson

Ted Cruz:

“We’re seeing our freedoms taken away every day and last night was an audition for who would wear the jackboot most vigorously. Last night was an audition for who would embrace government power for who would strip your and my individual liberties.”

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Timothy Watson Oct 18, 2015 • 4:48:48pm

re: #210 BeachDem

The whole Terri Schiavo debacle is what brought me back to political involvement. Watching the Palm Sunday idiocy, with Bill Frist and crew spouting their bullshit, reminded me how loathsome Republicans are, and from that day on, I’ve been more involved than ever in Democratic politics.

Thanks, Jeb!

And the “Palm Sunday Compromise”, an unconstitutional bill of attainder, was passed in the Senate without a quorum.

But Obamacare was illegitimate because the reconciliation process was used to modify it.

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Skip Intro Oct 18, 2015 • 4:51:42pm

re: #140 Charles Johnson

Chuck Johnson’s crappy website is down again.

Whatever happened to his billionaire investor(s) that he said he was meeting with last year?

Could it all have been a lie?

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BeachDem Oct 18, 2015 • 4:52:03pm

re: #213 Timothy Watson

And don’t get me started on the absolutely repugnant shit Sean Hannity and others were saying about Michael Schiavo (that her condition was the result of physical abuse by him and he was trying to kill her to get rid of any evidence).

If I recall correctly, Santorum was front and center spewing crap during the Schiavo debacle as well. Ah yes, the hypocrite certainly was in the thick of things:

In 2005, Santorum made headlines — not all positive — for visiting the deathbed of Terri Schiavo, the woman at the center of a national right-to-die controversy. What my Philadelphia Daily News colleague John Baer later exposed was that the real reason he was in the Tampa, Fla., area was to collect money at a $250,000 fundraiser organized by executives of Outback Steakhouses, a company that shared Santorum’s passion for a low minimum wage for waitresses and other rank-and-file workers. Santorum’s efforts were also aided by his unusual mode of travel: Wal-Mart’s corporate jet. And he canceled a public meeting on Social Security reform “out of respect for the Schiavo family” even as the closed fundraisers went on.

esquire.com

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Stanley Sea Toujours Oct 18, 2015 • 4:52:47pm

There was an article today written by a Stanford Prof about helicopter parents of COLLEGE STUDENTS.

@luvvie is going off! People are tweeting her the most awful examples.

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CuriousLurker Oct 18, 2015 • 4:52:48pm

re: #216 jaunte

Ted Cruz:

Of all of them I despise him the most. Trump is what he is, what he’s always been. Most of the others are stupid or inept or unlikable, but Cruz is a sleazy, sneaky, oily, snake.

Ugh, I can’t take it today. Gonna go read or watch Netflix.

Later, lizards.

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HappyWarrior Oct 18, 2015 • 4:53:27pm

re: #221 CuriousLurker

Of all of them I despise him the most. Trump is what he is, what he’s always been. Most of the others are stupid or inept or unlikable, but Cruz is a sleazy, sneaky, oily, snake.

Ugh, I can’t take it today. Gonna go read or watch Netflix.

Later, lizards.

Huckabee for me but Cruz is up there too.

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The Vicious Babushka Oct 18, 2015 • 4:54:17pm

re: #218 Skip Intro

Whatever happened to his billionaire investor(s) that he said he was meeting with last year?

Could it all have been a lie?

It was Shkreli, but he wanted Chuck to pay him $750 for every comment posted.

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Feline Fearless Leader Oct 18, 2015 • 4:54:28pm

Hit upon a nice variation for dinner tonight. Was making a batch of stuffed peppers, so I looked for something to change them up a bit since though I like them I think the flavor is a bit plain beyond a little spice in the topping sauce.

So when I browned the beef and softened up the onion in the frying pan I then added the diced tomatoes to the pan along with most of a jar of a green curry simmering sauce. Let it simmer for a while, then mixed in the rice, some cheese, and some fresh diced basil before using that as the filling for the peppers. Topped with more cheese and then baked like the usual recipe.

Came out quite well in both consistency and flavor. Will probably do something similar the next time I make these.

(No pictures provided since it looks just like any other stuffed pepper.)

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b.d. Oct 18, 2015 • 4:54:37pm

“The states should be a laboratory for reform.” -@JebBush #NTXForum #WakeUpAmerica

— Faith & Freedom (@FaithandFreedom) October 18, 2015

UNLESS IT IS COMMIE CALIFORNIA WITH SOME ENVIRONMENTAL CRAP!

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CuriousLurker Oct 18, 2015 • 4:55:08pm

re: #222 HappyWarrior

Huckabee for me but Cruz is up there too.

Huckabee is a very close second for me.

G’nite, HW.

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Reality Based Steve Oct 18, 2015 • 4:55:25pm

re: #197 jaunte

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The GOP wants to make as difficult as possible for a person suffering from a terminal condition to be able to make a dignified and deliberate end to their life for no reason other than “It’s not your life, God gave you that life, and you can’t throw it away”.

Ignoring the fact that theology is a bad place to start writing laws from, what exactly are you saying there? That God is an angry and spiteful deity, that if I throw away a gift given will end up with a case of heavenly butthurtz? If that’s the case, you best start praying right now, since by your own words he gave us this planet for us to use and enjoy, and we seem to be doing a pretty good job of breaking that all to hell

In any case, I would think a smaller government that cares about he rights of the people to be free of interference from bureaucratic meddling, the party of personal responsibility, and the party of “Taking responsibility for your actions” would favor this, but that’s the sad part of being reality based, that it fails horribly when confronted with the type of logical and moral inconsistency that we have here.
RBS

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The Vicious Babushka Oct 18, 2015 • 4:56:34pm

re: #221 CuriousLurker

Of all of them I despise him the most. Trump is what he is, what he’s always been. Most of the others are stupid or inept or unlikable, but Cruz is a sleazy, sneaky, oily, snake.

Ugh, I can’t take it today. Gonna go read or watch Netflix.

Later, lizards.

Huckabee is the utter worst, the filth of the filth.

Cruz is Villain #2.

Trump is just a buffoon.

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The Vicious Babushka Oct 18, 2015 • 4:58:41pm

Conservative freak out over Bernie’s “Free College” but wars are free! #tcot #UniteBlue #FeelTheBern pic.twitter.com/p5CrDJbGcP

— Witches Ba-BOO!-shka (@viciousbabushka) October 18, 2015

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gwangung Oct 18, 2015 • 5:00:16pm

re: #225 b.d.

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UNLESS IT IS COMMIE CALIFORNIA WITH SOME ENVIRONMENTAL CRAP!

MN and CA both seem to be doing pretty well.

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Reality Based Steve Oct 18, 2015 • 5:01:04pm

re: #224 Feline Fearless Leader

Hit upon a nice variation for dinner tonight. Was making a batch of stuffed peppers, so I looked for something to change them up a bit since though I like them I think the flavor is a bit plain beyond a little spice in the topping sauce.

So when I browned the beef and softened up the onion in the frying pan I then added the diced tomatoes to the pan along with most of a jar of a green curry simmering sauce. Let it simmer for a while, then mixed in the rice, some cheese, and some fresh diced basil before using that as the filling for the peppers. Topped with more cheese and then baked like the usual recipe.

Came out quite well in both consistency and flavor. Will probably do something similar the next time I make these.

(No pictures provided since it looks just like any other stuffed pepper.)

I did stuffed peppers a while back, but used some poblano peppers. Nice change, did the meat up with a little chili powder and some cumin, along with the usual stuffs. Pretty darn good.

RBS

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jaunte Oct 18, 2015 • 5:02:05pm

re: #229 The Vicious Babushka

Conservatives don’t want to believe that an educated populace is a national defense asset.

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gwangung Oct 18, 2015 • 5:04:04pm

re: #232 jaunte

Conservatives don’t want to believe that an educated populace is a national defense asset.

Or that an ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure.

Or that eating your seed corn is a bad thing.

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Great White Snark Oct 18, 2015 • 5:04:07pm

BTW SciFi fans, you might check this out.
lgfreadinglist.com

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SteveMcGaziBolaGate Oct 18, 2015 • 5:04:16pm

re: #132 Targetpractice

Arlen Specter, the guy who changed party affiliations because the rising wave of lunacy in his own party meant there was no way he was going to win the GOP primary, so he changed parties?

I think that was his reason, but I also think it was a mistake then and I still do in hindsight. When he left the Republican Party, he basically handed the seat to Pat Toomey. Toomey got the nomination unopposed, and the Democrats (as usual) didn’t turn out to vote for Joe Sestak.
Funny thing was, Spector was a Democrat when he started his career. The D’s didn’t want him to run for DA (or mayor, I forget which), so he ran as a Republican and stayed one for the next forty years.

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Skip Intro Oct 18, 2015 • 5:04:28pm

re: #226 CuriousLurker

Huckabee is a very close second for me.

G’nite, HW.

Too close to call for me.

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Feline Fearless Leader Oct 18, 2015 • 5:05:02pm

re: #231 Reality Based Steve

I did stuffed peppers a while back, but used some poblano peppers. Nice change, did the meat up with a little chili powder and some cumin, along with the usual stuffs. Pretty darn good.

RBS

That sounds like a nice variation as well.

I tend to make them after deciding that the 6-pack of red bell peppers at Wegman’s looks particularly good. Given the recent mandates about diet from my doctor they seem to fit the bill in terms of being healthier eating. And being my own cooking I have a lot more control over sodium content as well.

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Skip Intro Oct 18, 2015 • 5:07:17pm

re: #230 gwangung

MN and CA both seem to be doing pretty well.

Things picked up in CA when we finally reduced the GOP to an insignificant minority.

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Charles Johnson Oct 18, 2015 • 5:09:01pm

The Chucky backlash.

@Teach3ca Really? It was me who made Chuck famous, not the articles in the New York Times, Politico, etc.? Cool.

— Charles Johnson (@Green_Footballs) October 18, 2015

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SteveMcGaziBolaGate Oct 18, 2015 • 5:09:04pm

re: #238 Skip Intro

Were you in CA when Arnold was the governator? I don’t remember much wingnut stuff from him but I could be wrong.

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thedopefishlives Oct 18, 2015 • 5:10:19pm

re: #230 gwangung

MN and CA both seem to be doing pretty well.

It’s too cold up here for the derp to flow freely. It gets jammed up in their heads until they asplode.

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stpaulbear Oct 18, 2015 • 5:10:57pm

As any church has, here’s where limos pick up old men with bodyguards and half-their-age women with six inch heels pic.twitter.com/GRIAELFjEO

— christopher hack (@cd_hooks) October 19, 2015

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Skip Intro Oct 18, 2015 • 5:16:05pm

re: #240 SteveMcGaziBolaGate

Were you in CA when Arnold was the governator? I don’t remember much wingnut stuff from him but I could be wrong.

I’ve been in CA since I was born, except for a short time in my 30s. Back when Arnold was Gov the GOP hadn’t yet become the government hating party of NO!

That happened around the same time the national GOP did the same thing. They really were hoping for CA to go bankrupt, just like their national brethren wanted the US to default on the debt.

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Reality Based Steve Oct 18, 2015 • 5:17:06pm

re: #242 stpaulbear

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“And Jesus did enter Jerusalem riding in a stretch limo. And at his side was a well maintained blonde. And the people did cheer, for he was one of them. From the Book of Donald, verse4-6

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Barefoot Grin Oct 18, 2015 • 5:21:00pm

re: #216 jaunte

I want to change my name to “vigorously jackboot.”

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Skip Intro Oct 18, 2015 • 5:21:18pm

re: #244 Reality Based Steve

“And Jesus did enter Jerusalem riding in a stretch limo. And at his side was a well maintained blonde. And the people did cheer, for he was one of them.
From the Book of Donald, verse4-6

And the crowd shouted “Show us your tits” and Jesus gave them the high sign, nodding approvingly.
From the Book of Donald, verse7-8

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teleskiguy Oct 18, 2015 • 5:23:39pm

Just found out. Wayne Simmons was arrested for fraud.

The conservative arrested for falsely claiming he worked for the CIA once said this on Fox: http://t.co/UmFjR3T62z pic.twitter.com/YmdxvNWpc2

— Media Matters (@mmfa) October 18, 2015

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jaunte Oct 18, 2015 • 5:24:32pm

re: #245 Barefoot Grin

I want to change my name to “vigorously jackboot.”

“…Conservatives rally around Republican candidates when they declare their willingness to employ violence against the government in the event that it sinks into despotism, arguing that they’re simply exercising a fundamental American right. The problem is that so much of the conservative movement has come to define “tyranny” as “something the Democrats did that I disagree with.” They actively encourage conservative voters to believe that they’re being persecuted and having their rights stripped away as part of a broader agenda to purge religious liberty from the land. When you pair that message with a passionate call to arm oneself to defend against the voiding of your rights, you’re crossing into insurrectionist territory and inching towards the militia kooks who are just looking for an excuse to open fire on federal agents.”
salon.com

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Targetpractice Oct 18, 2015 • 5:25:22pm

re: #235 SteveMcGaziBolaGate

I think that was his reason, but I also think it was a mistake then and I still do in hindsight. When he left the Republican Party, he basically handed the seat to Pat Toomey. Toomey got the nomination unopposed, and the Democrats (as usual) didn’t turn out to vote for Joe Sestak.
Funny thing was, Spector was a Democrat when he started his career. The D’s didn’t want him to run for DA (or mayor, I forget which), so he ran as a Republican and stayed one for the next forty years.

Specter barely beat out Toomey (51%-49%) when they ran against each other in ‘04, a year not especially friendly to liberal candidates. Just how do you figure that, had Specter held out for the nomination in ‘10, things would have been different?

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HappyWarrior Oct 18, 2015 • 5:29:57pm

re: #247 teleskiguy

Just found out. Wayne Simmons was arrested for fraud yesterday.

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Well he would know.

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Pawn of the Oppressor Oct 18, 2015 • 5:29:59pm

re: #146 Feline Fearless Leader

I’m waiting for the GOP to start putting property requirements and other equivalents to poll tests in their primary voting requirements. If it’s so good for the citizenry at-large they should prototype it on themselves first.

You may be saying that facetiously, but this idea is boiling up somewhere from the right-wing fever swamp. My father said something about how the Democrats wanted to turn the country into a Democracy and not a Republic, that there was going to be something bad, something something gun confiscation, and then they were going to change us away from a Republic and let prisoners and ill eagles vote.

This would somehow destroy us because it was supposed to be that only property-owning white dudes could vote… Somehow moving away from that is part of the master plan to destroy us all? I guess?

Believe it or not, my father is not a stupid man, but there’s some part of his brain that’s plugged into the Fox Noise channel because he seems to be in touch with some very bizarre ideas.

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thedopefishlives Oct 18, 2015 • 5:31:38pm

re: #245 Barefoot Grin

I want to change my name to “vigorously jackboot.”

We have a display name option if you’d like to make use of that.

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Charles Johnson Oct 18, 2015 • 5:32:12pm

re: #247 teleskiguy

Just found out. Wayne Simmons was arrested for fraud.

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Dude!

Fox News “Analyst” and Benghazi “Expert” Indicted for Lying About CIA Past

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thedopefishlives Oct 18, 2015 • 5:33:18pm

re: #251 Pawn of the Oppressor

I’m wondering exactly why in the hell a Democracy would be that much worse than a Republic. Yeah, yeah, I get the idea of representative government, but in theory, America is supposed to respect the rights and voices of all its citizens, not just rich white men.

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teleskiguy Oct 18, 2015 • 5:33:32pm

re: #253 Charles Johnson

Oh. Jeez! Is my face red?

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The Vicious Babushka Oct 18, 2015 • 5:34:29pm

The same people who made memes for 6 FREAKING YEARS about “Moochelle” “Wookiee” “Tranny” etc etc are now OUTRAGED OUTRAGED

Candy Carson’s Appearance Mocked in Cruel Meme http://t.co/vPVrU5MiCH #tcot #ycot #Carson2016 #BenCarson #CandyCarson #MichelleObama

— Frank Camp (@FrankDCamp) October 17, 2015

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Skip Intro Oct 18, 2015 • 5:34:47pm

re: #247 teleskiguy

That Simmons quote has to be taken from the hiring manual at Fox News.re: #254 thedopefishlives

I’m wondering exactly why in the hell a Democracy would be that much worse than a Republic. Yeah, yeah, I get the idea of representative government, but in theory, America is supposed to respect the rights and voices of all its citizens, not just rich white men.

Because Democracy sounds to much like Democrat, while Republic sounds like the godly Republicans.

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Feline Fearless Leader Oct 18, 2015 • 5:34:59pm

re: #254 thedopefishlives

I’m wondering exactly why in the hell a Democracy would be that much worse than a Republic. Yeah, yeah, I get the idea of representative government, but in theory, America is supposed to respect the rights and voices of all its citizens, not just rich white men.

But it’s not being sold that way. It’s being sold as the other side selling out to non-citizens and foreign interests who are jealous of our success. As fear, fear, and fear all the way down.

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Reality Based Steve Oct 18, 2015 • 5:35:24pm

re: #255 teleskiguy

Oh. Jeez! Is my face red?

It’s ok. We know you’ve been thinking a lot about ski season.

RBS

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HappyWarrior Oct 18, 2015 • 5:36:16pm

re: #256 The Vicious Babushka

The same people who made memes for 6 FREAKING YEARS about “Moochelle” “Wookiee” “Tranny” etc etc are now OUTRAGED OUTRAGED

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It’s not right but the wingnuts have room to complain at all with all the wookie and moochelle jokes. So they can fuck off.

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thedopefishlives Oct 18, 2015 • 5:36:40pm

re: #256 The Vicious Babushka

The same people who made memes for 6 FREAKING YEARS about “Moochelle” “Wookiee” “Tranny” etc etc are now OUTRAGED OUTRAGED

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Okay, now I’m fucking pissed. This is bare naked hypocrisy at its worst. What’s the matter, little dipshits, you’re perfectly willing to dish it out but you can’t take it?

I admit I deplore this behavior by both sides, but there’s some savage part of me that’s taking perverse satisfaction in seeing them get a dose of their own medicine. I apologize to all for my baser desires.

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The Vicious Babushka Oct 18, 2015 • 5:38:32pm

re: #260 HappyWarrior

It’s not right but the wingnuts have room to complain at all with all the wookie and moochelle jokes. So they can fuck off.

Jeebus these people have no self awareness, just look at all the “Moochelle” shit in the timeline of that Tweet.

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Barefoot Grin Oct 18, 2015 • 5:39:01pm

re: #248 jaunte

That pretty much sums it up. I was reading the comments on a Politico article this morning (doing penance for something, I guess) and read the rare liberal voice pointing out that the GOP just wants to tear down the government and its services, etc. and was appalled to see that a state rep. from my state responded “what’s wrong with that?” This is a place where such people, OTOH, talk about Obama’s jackbooted thugs while, OTOH, embrace police violence (and, by the way, cheer the many recent heroin OD deaths around here as getting rid of bad garbage). No solutions.

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HappyWarrior Oct 18, 2015 • 5:39:28pm

re: #261 thedopefishlives

Okay, now I’m fucking pissed. This is bare naked hypocrisy at its worst. What’s the matter, little dipshits, you’re perfectly willing to dish it out but you can’t take it?

I admit I deplore this behavior by both sides, but there’s some savage part of me that’s taking perverse satisfaction in seeing them get a dose of their own medicine. I apologize to all for my baser desires.

Nah you’re fine. Tis only a natural reaction. When you have people like Limbaugh and Coulter on your side, you forfeit any right to complain about name calling IMO.

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Charles Johnson Oct 18, 2015 • 5:39:37pm

After 6 years of vile racist hatred directed at Michelle Obama, right wingers have some serious chutzpah to complain. http://t.co/TLCAzWMHb0

— Charles Johnson (@Green_Footballs) October 19, 2015

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HappyWarrior Oct 18, 2015 • 5:40:04pm

re: #262 The Vicious Babushka

Jeebus these people have no self awareness, just look at all the “Moochelle” shit in the timeline of that Tweet.

None at all but that’s part of being a modern con I guess.

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Charles Johnson Oct 18, 2015 • 5:41:01pm

Those comments about Candy Carson are not cool, of course. But NOT EVEN CLOSE to the disgusting shit right wingers have been spewing at Michelle Obama. Not even in the same galaxy.

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HappyWarrior Oct 18, 2015 • 5:41:44pm

re: #267 Charles Johnson

Those comments about Candy Carson are not cool, of course. But NOT EVEN CLOSE to the disgusting shit right wingers have been spewing at Michelle Obama. Not even in the same galaxy.

Remember those who said she used to be a guy?

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Charles Johnson Oct 18, 2015 • 5:45:04pm

The fucking comments for that ijreview article are unbelievably disgusting! And these are the same people whining about attacks on Candy Carson.

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thedopefishlives Oct 18, 2015 • 5:45:42pm

Slightly lightly OT: Tragedy erupts in St. Cloud, MN as a sheriff’s deputy, 60 years old, is shot with his own gun during a struggle with a suspect in a domestic dispute. The suspect was recovering in a hospital when a fight broke out, during which he grabbed the officer’s gun and killed him. Not to be outdone, hospital security tasered the man to death.

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teleskiguy Oct 18, 2015 • 5:45:58pm

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thedopefishlives Oct 18, 2015 • 5:46:40pm

re: #271 teleskiguy

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Barefoot Grin Oct 18, 2015 • 5:46:42pm

Remember when Subway partnered with the First Lady to promote healthier eating and the drooling goobers flooded Subway’s FB page with hate?

But I would like to emphasize that I’m just as upset by any comments about Dr. Carson’s wife. And Subway sucks for a whole variety of reasons that have nothing to do with Mrs. Obama.

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SteveMcGaziBolaGate Oct 18, 2015 • 5:47:32pm

re: #249 Targetpractice

Specter barely beat out Toomey (51%-49%) when they ran against each other in ‘04, a year not especially friendly to liberal candidates. Just how do you figure that, had Specter held out for the nomination in ‘10, things would have been different?

Spector was running against the whole Democratic Party in 2010. I still think he would have been better off fighting against part of the Republican Party instead.

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otoc Oct 18, 2015 • 5:47:59pm

Come to think of it — maybe it does.

No maybe about it in my mind. Mostly everything coming from the right these days seems like gonad logic designed to circumvent any real thought process.

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HappyWarrior Oct 18, 2015 • 5:49:53pm

re: #273 Barefoot Grin

Remember when Subway partnered with the First Lady to promote healthier eating and the drooling goobers flooded Subway’s FB page with hate?

But I would like to emphasize that I’m just as upset by any comments about Dr. Carson’s wife. And Subway sucks for a whole variety of reasons that have nothing to do with Mrs. Obama.

Right. I don’t condone the attacks on Nrs. Carson either but ffs shut up wingnuts.

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b.d. Oct 18, 2015 • 5:50:15pm

If the wingnuts don’t like the comments about Carson’s wife then Carson should just dump her for a younger and hotter Eastern European model, like Trump would do.

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teleskiguy Oct 18, 2015 • 5:50:22pm

My problems pale in comparison to Kragar and wlewisiii, and a few others I’m sure.

Hugs to all.

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Stanley Sea Toujours Oct 18, 2015 • 5:53:57pm

7 minutes till The Walking Dead. Oh fuck yeah.

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Targetpractice Oct 18, 2015 • 5:55:15pm

re: #274 SteveMcGaziBolaGate

Spector was running against the whole Democratic Party in 2010. I still think he would have been better off fighting against part of the Republican Party instead.

And I think you’re engaged in a case of wishful thinking, namely that in an election year where conservative candidates were getting a boost off the “throw the bums out” rhetoric of the media and he was getting regularly clubbed over the head with his vote for the ARRA, Specter was going to win the nomination away from Toomey.

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HappyWarrior Oct 18, 2015 • 6:09:10pm

I think Specter had an uphill road. Anyhow we do need a sane opposition to the Dems, I agree with that but ultimately the R’s need to clean up their own mess. They’re not going to get fixed by people by lifetime liberals like me who have no real formal allegiance to teh R’s. And Steve you yourself admit that this strategy can only work in states with closed primaries. Furthermore, I know for a fact that some states sometimes have conventions rather than primaries if they’re worried about the kind of thing your’e suggesting will happen. Ultimately it will be lifetime Republicans who decide the GOP’s destiny, will they split into two, will a sane center right alternative emerge, etc. That’s pu to them. Maybe I phrased it badly when I sadi earlier that they can rot for all I care but it’s up to them. The problem frankly with the R’s is the moderates too cowardly to actually take on the conservatives. They instead move to teh right on isssues like McCain did to save skin. McCain went from partening with Kennedy on immigration to “build the dang fence.” This isn’t the Republican primary electorate of my father or grandfather, hell it’s not even the one of my teenage years.

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SteveMcGaziBolaGate Oct 18, 2015 • 6:10:08pm

re: #280 Targetpractice

And I think you’re engaged in a case of wishful thinking, namely that in an election year where conservative candidates were getting a boost off the “throw the bums out” rhetoric of the media and he was getting regularly clubbed over the head with his vote for the ARRA, Specter was going to win the nomination away from Toomey.

“Wishful thinking?” I think Spector would have lost anyway. I just think he would have been better off on familiar turf (Republicans) than taking his chances with a whole new pool of primary voters. The thing with PA was that Democrats would vote for him in November. But they threw a hissy fit when he ran as a Democrat. They voted against him but then sat on their asses in November, and now we have Senator Toomey. Way to go PA Democrats.

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HappyWarrior Oct 18, 2015 • 6:14:10pm

re: #282 SteveMcGaziBolaGate

“Wishful thinking?” I think Spector would have lost anyway. I just think he would have been better off on familiar turf (Republicans) than taking his chances with a whole new pool of primary voters. The thing with PA was that Democrats would vote for him in November. But they threw a hissy fit when he ran as a Democrat. They voted against him but then sat on their asses in November, and now we have Senator Toomey. Way to go PA Democrats.

Can you blame them? I am sorry but a guy’s a Republican elected official for years and he switches your party for the reason of political survival, you’re not going to like that. I know Specter was a more moderate than not Republican and had been a Democrat at one point in his life. And even with the lower turnout, Toomey barely won. The voter apathy in 2010 sucked don’t get me wrong here but blaming the PA Democrats for not immediately welcoming Arlen Specter with open arms into their party after years of him being part of the opposition party isn’t fair IMO.

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Jay C Oct 18, 2015 • 6:15:03pm

re: #230 gwangung

MN and CA both seem to be doing pretty well.

Yeah, but I’m sure if you asked the average Fox-News-viewing right-winger about California, they will probably be absolutely convinced that the whole state is a dysfunctional, near-bankrupt hellhole, socialismed into disaster by high taxes, over-regulations, tree-hugging hippies and welfare-guzzling illegals, maladministered by Governor Moonbeam* and his radical one-party tyranny.

*A lame sobriquet about 40 years out of date, but I swear I’ve seen it used in the past year.

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Targetpractice Oct 18, 2015 • 6:15:40pm

re: #282 SteveMcGaziBolaGate

“Wishful thinking?” I think Spector would have lost anyway. I just think he would have been better off on familiar turf (Republicans) than taking his chances with a whole new pool of primary voters. The thing with PA was that Democrats would vote for him in November. But they threw a hissy fit when he ran as a Democrat. They voted against him but then sat on their asses in November, and now we have Senator Toomey. Way to go PA Democrats.

Alright, you’ve lost me here. You acknowledge Specter would have lost the GOP primary, but say Democrats would have voted for him in the general election. So what, he should have ran as an independent? You figure that he could have peeled off enough votes from both parties to keep his seat?

Hell, better question: If you and other moderates are so against Senator Toomey, why didn’t you take your votes to Sestak?

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teleskiguy Oct 18, 2015 • 6:16:45pm

Ted Cruz keeps yammering about “tyranny” and how people need guns to fight back. When does the shooting start? http://t.co/jg1wZOfvHI

— Charlie Vogel (@teleskiguy) October 19, 2015

jaunte shared this upthread, everyone here should read it.

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teleskiguy Oct 18, 2015 • 6:18:27pm

I’ve seen this much weed, even before it was legalized.

Mood pic.twitter.com/G3WOkWOEdJ

— Wu-Tang Financial (@Wu_Tang_Finance) October 19, 2015

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Reality Based Steve Oct 18, 2015 • 6:18:29pm

re: #284 Jay C

Yeah, but I’m sure if you asked the average Fox-News-viewing right-winger about California, they will probably be absolutely convinced that the whole state is a dysfunctional, near-bankrupt hellhole, socialismed into disaster by high taxes, over-regulations, tree-hugging hippies and welfare-guzzling illegals, maladministered by Governor Moonbeam* and his radical one-party tyranny.

*A lame sobriquet about 40 years out of date, but I swear I’ve seen it used in the past year.

+1, but you forgot about the ebil gheys and “hollyweird”. Other than that, it’s got a good beat and I can dance to it, so I’ll give it an 8.

RBS

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The Vicious Babushka Oct 18, 2015 • 6:18:40pm

Anyone remember the old insult “Aw ya mutha wears army boots!”

I am thinking of buying myself a pair of Doc Martens at Nordstrom.

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Reality Based Steve Oct 18, 2015 • 6:21:38pm

re: #287 teleskiguy

I’ve seen this much weed, even before it was legalized.

[Embedded content]

That’s why you just found out that Wayne Simmons just got arrested.

RBS

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Feline Fearless Leader Oct 18, 2015 • 6:21:49pm

When there is only darkness - Sleestak shall rule

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HappyWarrior Oct 18, 2015 • 6:21:59pm

re: #285 Targetpractice

Alright, you’ve lost me here. You acknowledge Specter would have lost the GOP primary, but say Democrats would have voted for him in the general election. So what, he should have ran as an independent? You figure that he could have peeled off enough votes from both parties to keep his seat?

Hell, better question: If you and other moderates are so against Senator Toomey, why didn’t you take your votes to Sestak?

I just don’t know why PA Democrats were supposed to with eagerly welcome arms welcome someone into their fold that they’d been campaigning against for years. I know PA fairly well since my grandparents are from there and still have extended family and know that Specter had crossover appeal but it still is never easy for a party switcher to get accepted that quickly. Kind of a crappy situation either way IMO since Specter was sick and PA elecetd a GOP governor that year and had Specter been re-elected and died in office, the governor no doubt would have appointed a Republican anyhow.

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Backwoods_Sleuth Oct 18, 2015 • 6:22:24pm

re: #279 Stanley Sea Toujours

7 minutes till The Walking Dead. Oh fuck yeah.

Click to Reveal

I’m 21 minutes in and still waiting to hear about what the deal is about that horn…

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The Vicious Babushka Oct 18, 2015 • 6:22:55pm

White racists, making up their own history==>

@KevinNR And the South was so mad with the Democratic party that it waited 30 years to abandon it.

— Charles C. W. Cooke (@charlescwcooke) October 19, 2015

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Barefoot Grin Oct 18, 2015 • 6:23:07pm

re: #287 teleskiguy

I’ve seen this much weed, even before it was legalized.

[Embedded content]

The problem with millennials is that they don’t have to work for anything. Separating the stems and seeds from the weed using the Beatles double White album taught me the value of hard work!

Edited for clarity, but you’re probably too young to have lived in such difficult times.

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teleskiguy Oct 18, 2015 • 6:23:37pm

This is wild.

PRIMER-V2 robot rides a bike just like a man

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freetoken Oct 18, 2015 • 6:24:18pm

The WaPo and LATimes are now limiting me to a certain number of free views of articles (per month) it appears.

I can get around that easily enough with a VPN.

But it’s just easier for me to go to the next entry in a news feed and skip WaPo, or the LATimes, or any similar arrangement.

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Targetpractice Oct 18, 2015 • 6:25:12pm

Way I see it, the GOP’s present mess is pretty well exemplified by the happenings in the House. If House GOP “moderates” wanted to effectively neuter the “Freedom Caucus” tomorrow, all they’d have to do is band together and offer their votes to whichever candidate the Dems favor. If they announced such a move tomorrow morning, by tomorrow afternoon you’d have Gohmert and the rest of the peanut gallery prepared to support whoever those “moderates” proposed so long as it was a Republican.

But it won’t happen because those “moderates” would sooner publicly cut off their dicks than vote for a Democrat. So instead we’ll get this grotesque bit of theater where they keep trying to propose candidates that satisfy the Suicide Caucus and keep watching them slapped down because they fail the purity test, while Boehner realizes that he can check out any time he likes, but he can never leave.

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HappyWarrior Oct 18, 2015 • 6:25:23pm

re: #294 The Vicious Babushka

White racists, making up their own history==>

[Embedded content]

I guess Erick forgets who they nominated in 1964 and what made him unique among Republicans. Oh and Nixon yes he did support that but he also embraced Strom Thurmond and the other “moderate segregationists.” He definitely did go to the right on civil rights which is why some spuporters of civil rights like Jackie Robinson (yes the baseball player) who had supported him in 1960 ended up supporting Humphrey. IF the Republicans were sincere about civil rights, they would have nominated Rockefeller but they weren’t after 1964.

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TedStriker Oct 18, 2015 • 6:26:37pm

re: #197 jaunte

[Embedded content]

Which is why I’m sure he didn’t mind keeping the death penalty as FL governor.

Fuckhead…

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makeitstop Oct 18, 2015 • 6:26:38pm

re: #295 Barefoot Grin

The problem with millennials is that they don’t have to work for anything. Separating the stems and seeds from the weed on the Beatles White album taught me the value of hard work!

I have a friend in Colorado whose job is exactly that.

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Backwoods_Sleuth Oct 18, 2015 • 6:27:49pm

re: #293 Backwoods_Sleuth

[Embedded content]

Click to Reveal

OK, just learned what the deal is with the horn. YOWSER!

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freetoken Oct 18, 2015 • 6:28:22pm

re: #298 Targetpractice

I don’t know what really makes a Republican a “moderate” in the House GOP caucus. Even King (NY) says some pretty far out stuff at times.

The “Freedom” caucus is really the “Delusional” group who want to play 18th century cosplay.

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Stanley Sea Toujours Oct 18, 2015 • 6:28:35pm

Holy fuck

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Backwoods_Sleuth Oct 18, 2015 • 6:29:59pm

re: #304 Stanley Sea Toujours

Holy fuck

shit doth seriously hit the fan…

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Barefoot Grin Oct 18, 2015 • 6:30:35pm

re: #301 makeitstop

No! Don’t shoot down my entire rant!

I’m 50. I’d probably smoke a little again late at night if it were legal where I live. It’s not the legality exactly; I’m just not interested enough to go around asking where to buy it.

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SteveMcGaziBolaGate Oct 18, 2015 • 6:31:13pm

re: #285 Targetpractice

Alright, you’ve lost me here. You acknowledge Specter would have lost the GOP primary, but say Democrats would have voted for him in the general election. So what, he should have ran as an independent? You figure that he could have peeled off enough votes from both parties to keep his seat?

Hell, better question: If you and other moderates are so against Senator Toomey, why didn’t you take your votes to Sestak?

I argue that he would have been better off running against Toomey than Sestak. An independent run is irrelevant. That’s all I can say. There’s no right answer. Funny thing is he was one of the few Democrats to embrace Obama in 2010. Most of them were running away from the president.

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teleskiguy Oct 18, 2015 • 6:31:40pm

котенок уснул в горшке

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Stanley Sea Toujours Oct 18, 2015 • 6:39:34pm

re: #305 Backwoods_Sleuth

shit doth seriously hit the fan…

It is really a good ep.

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Backwoods_Sleuth Oct 18, 2015 • 6:40:37pm

re: #309 Stanley Sea Toujours

It is really a good ep.

it’s insane

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Targetpractice Oct 18, 2015 • 6:41:36pm

re: #307 SteveMcGaziBolaGate

I argue that he would have been better off running against Toomey than Sestak. An independent run is irrelevant. That’s all I can say. There’s no right answer. Funny thing is he was one of the few Democrats to embrace Obama in 2010. Most of them were running away from the president.

You just said you believe he would have lost either way, but you also believe he would have had a better chance against Toomey. What exactly do his chances matter if you believe he would have lost either way? You believe that, had he fell on his sword by following his run against Toomey, then Democrats would not have been disheartened and would have shown up to vote for Sestak?

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Backwoods_Sleuth Oct 18, 2015 • 6:47:59pm

re: #309 Stanley Sea Toujours

It is really a good ep.

Carol is fierce.

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Stanley Sea Toujours Oct 18, 2015 • 6:50:07pm

re: #312 Backwoods_Sleuth

Carol is fierce.

Sho is.

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Stanley Sea Toujours Oct 18, 2015 • 6:50:32pm

Morgan is fucking up!

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Stanley Sea Toujours Oct 18, 2015 • 6:51:02pm

I’m not here for Morgan’s Dali Lama pacifist bullshit. #DeyWalking #DemDeadz #TheWalkingDead

— Brilliance Deferred (@DrkNemesis) October 19, 2015

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Backwoods_Sleuth Oct 18, 2015 • 6:52:08pm

re: #314 Stanley Sea Toujours

Morgan is fucking up!

Hold on, he does good.

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Stanley Sea Toujours Oct 18, 2015 • 6:53:25pm

The tweets kill me

I don’t like newly sane Morgan. I need him like 28% more unhinged. #DeyWalking

— Sarah Florini (@sflorini) October 19, 2015

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Jebediah, RBG Oct 19, 2015 • 12:05:33pm

re: #41 De Kolta Chair

Pretty sure that says “Dummy Dummy.”

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taserian Oct 19, 2015 • 1:13:02pm

re: #297 freetoken

The WaPo and LATimes are now limiting me to a certain number of free views of articles (per month) it appears.

I can get around that easily enough with a VPN.

But it’s just easier for me to go to the next entry in a news feed and skip WaPo, or the LATimes, or any similar arrangement.

You can search the headline through Google, and read it through their link (most news publisher websites don’t filter IPs through search results, since that’s how they’re found in most cases).

Spy Auto

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