Far Right Takes Charge of the GOP: Trump and Carson Now Lead the Field, Jeb Bush Support Plummets

The far right ascendant

PoliticsOctober 2015 • Views: 56,058

The political news today for Jeb Bush is not good; the latest poll from Florida shows him with support in the single digits. In Florida. Ouch.

But Ben Carson and Donald Trump, arguably the two most extreme Republicans in the race, have reason to party: both of them are now over 20% in the latest CNN poll, as the rest of the field falters.

By now you probably know my take on this; demagogues like Trump and Carson have floated to the top because the voting base of the GOP has been so degraded and radicalized by years of crazy talk. There’s now an almost complete lack of ideological diversity in the GOP. The disturbing far right mindset epitomized by groups like the John Birch Society and the Tea Party and popularized by right wing blogs and media is in total control of the Republican Party, and establishment Republicans like Jeb Bush can only watch impotently in horror.

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jaunte Oct 20, 2015 • 10:15:51am

establishment Republicans like Jeb Bush can only watch impotently in horror.

And the horror, in Jeb’s case, is not over what these radicals might do to the country, but the peevishness of someone who assumed they were anointed for leadership and see it slipping away.

Fourth Football of the Apocalypse Oct 20, 2015 • 10:16:17am

Overall, Trump’s 27% leads the field, followed by Carson at 22%, both head and shoulders above their nearest competition. Former Florida Gov. Jeb Bush and Florida Sen. Marco Rubio are tied for third place with 8% support each, followed by former Arkansas Gov. Mike Huckabee and Kentucky Sen. Rand Paul each at 5%. Fiorina, New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie and Texas Sen. Ted Cruz each have 4% support, while Ohio Gov. John Kasich is at 3%. Former Pennsylvania Sen. Rick Santorum stands at 2% and South Carolina Sen. Lindsey Graham holds 1%.

Was Romney ever this far behind any of the other GOP contenders in 2012?

The Vicious Babushka Oct 20, 2015 • 10:18:09am

LOL wingnut Wharblegarble of the Day==>

In podcast, I talk about continuing evil of Obama’s Israel policy, as well as leftist takeover of comics: https://t.co/BdVFtKGGCA

— Ben Shapiro (@benshapiro) October 20, 2015

HappyWarrior Oct 20, 2015 • 10:18:16am

This was the poll that I saw on my lunch break.

HappyWarrior Oct 20, 2015 • 10:18:42am

re: #3 The Vicious Babushka

LOL wingnut Wharblegarble of the Day==>

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In other words, Ben shows why he’s a pathetic wank.

b.d. Oct 20, 2015 • 10:19:11am

Isn’t it about time that Barbara Bush took a good, old fashioned, scolding to the crazed GOP base?

Jenner7 Oct 20, 2015 • 10:19:20am

Sorry to go OT already

Biden is losing my respect.

“I don’t consider Republicans enemies,” Biden said. “They’re friends.”

As if Hillary said this out of the blue and for no reason at all. She was asked the question and said, after several other groups, Republicans. Considering their disdain for her and their relentless hunt to “get” her, what she said isn’t shocking.

If he runs now, I will be really disappointed in him.

Fourth Football of the Apocalypse Oct 20, 2015 • 10:19:53am

re: #3 The Vicious Babushka

In podcast, I talk about continuing evil of Obama’s Israel policy, as well as leftist takeover of comics: t.co
— Ben Shapiro

It’s not easy to cram this much derp into one sentence. Bravo, Ben, bravo.

lawhawk Oct 20, 2015 • 10:20:22am

re: #2 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse

According to RCP, the answer depends on how you look at it. Romney never dropped into single digits in a smaller field. At several points he was behind another candidate.

For instance, he got a maximum of 11 points behind Perry in September 2011. Then he fell about 13 points behind Gingrich, but ultimately prevailed. Romney never fell below 15 points.

Again, that’s with a far smaller field than the current cage match.

dharmamark Oct 20, 2015 • 10:20:27am

re: #3 The Vicious Babushka

LOL wingnut Wharblegarble of the Day==>

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He wants my email address to view his spewing? I don’t think so…

Fourth Football of the Apocalypse Oct 20, 2015 • 10:20:39am

re: #3 The Vicious Babushka

“Wharblegarble” is my new favorite word.

HappyWarrior Oct 20, 2015 • 10:20:48am

re: #7 Jenner7

Sorry to go OT already

Biden is losing my respect.

As if Hillary said this out of the blue and for no reason at all. She was asked the question and said, after several other groups, Republicans. Considering their disdain for her and their relentless hunt to “get” her, what she said isn’t shocking.

If he runs now, I will be really disappointed in him.

I understand where you’re coming from but this is Biden’s nature. He had nice words to say about Jesse Helms in his Yale commencement speech. That said, Biden has never faced the outright attacks on his character that Clinton and Obama have from the Republicans and that would certainly change if he were to become the frontrunner or nominee.

b.d. Oct 20, 2015 • 10:21:02am

re: #3 The Vicious Babushka

LOL wingnut Wharblegarble of the Day==>

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Never fear Ben, you’ll always have Ming the Merciless to jack off to.

iossarian Oct 20, 2015 • 10:23:26am

LOL “leftist takeover of comics”.

ZOMG THERE ARE PEOPLE OTHER THAN STRAIGHT WHITE MEN IN MY FANTASY UNIVERSE

Jebediah, RBG Oct 20, 2015 • 10:23:51am

re: #11 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse

It’s a great one; I am also quite enjoying ‘derpgoblin.”

Lidane Oct 20, 2015 • 10:25:27am

Trump at 28%, Carson 18%, Cruz 10%: Monmouth University Poll https://t.co/GjdacnbJxh

— Bloomberg Politics (@bpolitics) October 20, 2015

wrenchwench Oct 20, 2015 • 10:25:53am

White supremacist chowderheads is my favorite phrase of the day.

White supremacist chowderheads whining about Star Wars is the most pathetically funny thing on the Internet today.

— Charles Johnson (@Green_Footballs) October 20, 2015

Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light) Oct 20, 2015 • 10:25:56am

re: #14 iossarian

LOL “leftist takeover of comics”.

ZOMG THERE ARE PEOPLE OTHER THAN STRAIGHT WHITE MEN IN MY FANTASY UNIVERSE

Comics also have to correspond to their idealized 1950’s version of “my white America”.

b.d. Oct 20, 2015 • 10:27:18am

re: #3 The Vicious Babushka

LOL wingnut Wharblegarble of the Day==>

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Hey Ben, stay out of Riverdale

Stay Out of Riverdale

BeenHereAwhile Oct 20, 2015 • 10:27:54am

re: #7 Jenner7

Sorry to go OT already

Biden is losing my respect.

As if Hillary said this out of the blue and for no reason at all. She was asked the question and said, after several other groups, Republicans. Considering their disdain for her and their relentless hunt to “get” her, what she said isn’t shocking.

If he runs now, I will be really disappointed in him.

You might be underestimating Biden:

lawhawk Oct 20, 2015 • 10:28:49am

Perfect response to those who plan to #BoycottStarWarsVII https://t.co/r3zUf1AyQf pic.twitter.com/EmuzsFnRd9

— Wonkette (@Wonkette) October 20, 2015

sizzzzlerz Oct 20, 2015 • 10:28:50am

re: #7 Jenner7

As if Hillary said this out of the blue and for no reason at all. She was asked the question and said, after several other groups, Republicans. Considering their disdain for her and their relentless hunt to “get” her, what she said isn’t shocking.

Individually, he does have republican friends. As a members of the party, however, they’d stab him in the back in a second.

HappyWarrior Oct 20, 2015 • 10:29:02am

re: #16 Lidane

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So the attacks on Bush’s brother didn’t hurt him at all. They love this guy.

Lidane Oct 20, 2015 • 10:29:12am

re: #3 The Vicious Babushka

Bennie is referring to this: donotlink.com

“Leftist takeover of comics” = someone hasn’t read Captain America comics in like, ever, or watched the films. The character isn’t an AMERICA! FUCK YEAH! robot and never has been.

Kragar Oct 20, 2015 • 10:30:10am

Just got back from the specialist.

He seemed pretty confident it was just a cyst. Gave me a local, brought out the melon baller and removed a marble sized hole from my back to get tested. Sent me home with it packed with gauze and said just to wash and change the dressing daily till it closes up.

mr.fusion Oct 20, 2015 • 10:30:32am

The two leaders of the GOP field are pretty much the least qualified people to ever lead a presidential poll.

I honest to Dog mean this…I would trust Michelle Bachmann as POTUS before either Trump or Carson.

Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light) Oct 20, 2015 • 10:30:35am

re: #22 sizzzzlerz

Individually, he does have republican friends. As a members of the party, however, they’d stab him in the back in a second.

Gone are the days when politicians left partisanship in the office and went out for a drink with their counterparts across the aisle…

The Vicious Babushka Oct 20, 2015 • 10:30:43am

re: #24 Lidane

Bennie is referring to this: donotlink.com

“Leftist takeover of comics” = someone hasn’t read Captain America comics in like, ever, or watched the films. The character isn’t an AMERICA! FUCK YEAH! robot and never has been.

Captain America is a Black dude who beats up white racists, and all teh poor widdle white boys feels is hurtz on there tender ass parts.

HappyWarrior Oct 20, 2015 • 10:31:33am

re: #25 Kragar

Just got back from the specialist.

He seemed pretty confident it was just a cyst. Gave me a local, brought out the melon baller and removed a marble sized hole from my back to get tested. Sent me home with it packed with gauze and said just to wash and change the dressing daily till it closes up.

Those cysts can be painful. Had one in my back a few years back. Not fun at all. Here’s to a full recovery.

Backwoods_Sleuth Oct 20, 2015 • 10:31:33am

re: #12 HappyWarrior

I understand where you’re coming from but this is Biden’s nature. He had nice words to say about Jesse Helms in his Yale commencement speech. That said, Biden has never faced the outright attacks on his character that Clinton and Obama have from the Republicans and that would certainly change if he were to become the frontrunner or nominee.

Biden apparently also said that he likes Dick Cheney and called him a “decent man”, or something like that.
Joe just doesn’t say bad things about other people. It’s like he’s the poster guy for “if you can’t say something nice, shut up.”

HappyWarrior Oct 20, 2015 • 10:32:05am

re: #28 The Vicious Babushka

Captain America is a Black dude who beats up white racists, and all teh poor widdle white boys feels is hurtz on there tender ass parts.

That’s what he’s upset about? I am sure Ben hated Django Unchained too with all the white villains in that flick too huh.

WhatEVs Oct 20, 2015 • 10:32:18am

re: #25 Kragar

Just got back from the specialist.

He seemed pretty confident it was just a cyst. Gave me a local, brought out the melon baller and removed a marble sized hole from my back to get tested. Sent me home with it packed with gauze and said just to wash and change the dressing daily till it closes up.

Step 1 to the best news evah! I hope the news continues to be all clear!

Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light) Oct 20, 2015 • 10:32:30am

re: #30 Backwoods_Sleuth

Biden apparently also said that he likes Dick Cheney and called him a “decent man”, or something like that.
Joe just doesn’t say bad things about other people. It’s like he’s the poster guy for “if you can’t say something nice, shut up.”

Remember what happened to John McCain when he called out people at a town hall meeting saying mean things about Obama?

Pawn of the Oppressor Oct 20, 2015 • 10:32:51am

re: #13 b.d.

Never fear Ben, you’ll always have Ming the Merciless to jack off to.

I finally figured out who he reminds me of:

Does somebody want to inform the little shit that comic book characters have literally been “Social Justice Warriors” since *decades* before he was born?

Stan Lee is a big-time Hillary supporter, for pete’s sake…

wrenchwench Oct 20, 2015 • 10:33:19am

re: #25 Kragar

He seemed pretty confident it was just a cyst.

Good to hear.

Amory Blaine Oct 20, 2015 • 10:33:55am

A boycott would be great. Who wants to sit next to some stupid teabaggers at the movies? Also, too bad so sad for Jeb. Can he go fuck off now?

HappyWarrior Oct 20, 2015 • 10:34:24am

re: #30 Backwoods_Sleuth

Biden apparently also said that he likes Dick Cheney and called him a “decent man”, or something like that.
Joe just doesn’t say bad things about other people. It’s like he’s the poster guy for “if you can’t say something nice, shut up.”

I never heard that but that just strikes me as yeah Joe’s nature. I think he’s honestly someone who tries like hell to separate the politics from the individual. He hated Helms the man when he first got in but Ted Kennedy of all people pointed out that Helms took in a disabled orphan. It’s not how I would do politics but this is Joe’s personality. He has a problem with Republican policies not merely individuals which I can relate to honestly having GOP neighbors.

Jenner7 Oct 20, 2015 • 10:34:26am

re: #30 Backwoods_Sleuth

Maybe I’m just overreacting then. Wouldn’t be the first time.

It just rubbed me the wrong way.

Dr. Matt Oct 20, 2015 • 10:34:30am

re: #24 Lidane

Bennie is referring to this: donotlink.com

“Leftist takeover of comics” = someone hasn’t read Captain America comics in like, ever, or watched the films. The character isn’t an AMERICA! FUCK YEAH! robot and never has been.

About the “Author”:

Kellan Howell is a continuous news writer for The Washington Times, covering defense and national security. Originally from Williamsburg, Virginia, Kellan graduated from James Madison University where she received bachelor’s degrees in media arts and design and international affairs with a concentration in western European politics.

Enough said

The Vicious Babushka Oct 20, 2015 • 10:34:33am

re: #31 HappyWarrior

That’s what he’s upset about? I am sure Ben hated Django Unchained too with all the white villains in that flick too huh.

Yeah but he probably enjoyed Inglourious Basterds

HappyWarrior Oct 20, 2015 • 10:34:45am

re: #33 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

Remember what happened to John McCain when he called out people at a town hall meeting saying mean things about Obama?

We’re better than that thankfully.

The Vicious Babushka Oct 20, 2015 • 10:35:10am

Best Founding Fathers Quote Meme Ever! #tcot #UniteBlue #2A #NRA #gunsense #MolonLabe pic.twitter.com/Yh3IE0qDol

— Witches Ba-BOO!-shka (@viciousbabushka) October 20, 2015

HappyWarrior Oct 20, 2015 • 10:35:22am

re: #38 Jenner7

Maybe I’m just overreacting then. Wouldn’t be the first time.

It just rubbed me the wrong way.

It’s fair. You have a right to feel the way you do so don’t sweat it but I just think it’s the kind of guy Biden is.

Dr. Matt Oct 20, 2015 • 10:35:25am

re: #36 Amory Blaine

A boycott would be great. Who wants to sit next to some stupid teabaggers at the movies? Also, too bad so sad for Jeb. Can he go fuck off now?

First comment:

nashusa • 3 days ago
Boycott all things Disney and Marvel.
People with the courage to demand their borders be respected ( courage real life US citizens lack completely ) and the passion to ensure their fellow citizens do not have jobs taken and wages lowered should be praised as heroic

The butthurt is strong.

HappyWarrior Oct 20, 2015 • 10:36:00am

re: #40 The Vicious Babushka

Yeah but he probably enjoyed Inglourious Basterds

Heh I did too. I also enjoyed Defiance which was more accurate and realistic too.

makeitstop Oct 20, 2015 • 10:36:28am

re: #12 HappyWarrior

I understand where you’re coming from but this is Biden’s nature. He had nice words to say about Jesse Helms in his Yale commencement speech. That said, Biden has never faced the outright attacks on his character that Clinton and Obama have from the Republicans and that would certainly change if he were to become the frontrunner or nominee.

But remember - as he showed in the VP debates against both Palin and Ryan, he’s perfectly capable of going after them and knocking them down a few pegs while maintaining his ‘good guy’ image.

I don’t think he’d have much of a problem with TPGOP oppo, with the very clear exception of them going after his family, which I have no doubt they’d stoop to if necessary.

Bottom line - if Joe gets the nod, he’s my dude. If Hillary gets it, she’s my dudette.

HappyWarrior Oct 20, 2015 • 10:36:29am

re: #44 Dr. Matt

First comment:

The butthurt is strong.

Nash needs to get laid.

Backwoods_Sleuth Oct 20, 2015 • 10:37:17am

re: #36 Amory Blaine

A boycott would be great. Who wants to sit next to some stupid teabaggers at the movies? Also, too bad so sad for Jeb. Can he go fuck off now?

Chuck C. Johnson’s boycotting the Star Wars film? At least now I’ll be sure the squishy thing I step in on the theater floor is only candy.

— KolchakTheNotStalker (@Notintheface1) October 20, 2015

HappyWarrior Oct 20, 2015 • 10:38:32am

re: #46 makeitstop

But remember - as he showed in the VP debates against both Palin and Ryan, he’s perfectly capable of going after them and knocking them down a few pegs while maintaining his ‘good guy’ image.

I don’t think he’d have much of a problem with TPGOP oppo, with the very clear exception of them going after his family, which I have no doubt they’d stoop to if necessary.

Bottom line - if Joe gets the nod, he’s my dude. If Hillary gets it, she’s my dudette.

No doubt about it. He’ll go after their policies and I think that’s the key word here as hard as anyone can if not harder but I’ve never seen him really attack them individually. He never attacked Palin for being a bigot but for having views out of touch. Never Ryan for being an Ayn Rand fan boy and guy who lied about his marathon times but as a man with dangerous policies. As I said, it’s not how I would do it. And yeah if Joe gets it, he easily has my vote as does Hill and Bern. I actually like Joe the most of any potential or current candidate.

HappyWarrior Oct 20, 2015 • 10:38:49am

re: #48 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Ooooh we have a winner.

The Vicious Babushka Oct 20, 2015 • 10:38:52am

BUT HE IS SMOKING HOT SEXY WOWIE EH!!!!!

Canada’s new prime minister is a leftist nut job https://t.co/QxNsmsGmHD

— Ben Shapiro (@benshapiro) October 20, 2015

Fourth Football of the Apocalypse Oct 20, 2015 • 10:39:38am

re: #44 Dr. Matt

passion to ensure their fellow citizens do not have jobs taken and wages lowered should be praised as heroic

Wait, now the RNWJ don’t want lower wages for other Americans?

This is getting so confusing….

HappyWarrior Oct 20, 2015 • 10:39:48am

re: #51 The Vicious Babushka

BUT HE IS SMOKING HOT SEXY WOWIE EH!!!!!

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As opposed to you Ben who are perfectly normal ideologically speaking. //

Backwoods_Sleuth Oct 20, 2015 • 10:39:56am

Chuck C. Johnson’s article on #BoycottStarWarsVII is stupid, even by his admittedly low standards https://t.co/r3zUf1iXYH

— Wonkette (@Wonkette) October 20, 2015

Dr. Matt Oct 20, 2015 • 10:40:28am

#Texas

Fourth Football of the Apocalypse Oct 20, 2015 • 10:41:14am

re: #51 The Vicious Babushka

BUT HE IS SMOKING HOT SEXY WOWIE EH!!!!!

Ben has added “self described Canadian politics expert” to his resume now I see.

HappyWarrior Oct 20, 2015 • 10:41:23am

re: #55 Dr. Matt

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Can we at least keep Austin, San Antonio, and a good brisket place?

Dr. Matt Oct 20, 2015 • 10:43:23am

re: #57 HappyWarrior

Can we at least keep Austin, San Antonio, and a good brisket place?

I suppose engineers can figure out a way to keep those locales in place as islands and we can build really long bridges from OK or LA.

Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light) Oct 20, 2015 • 10:45:13am

re: #58 Dr. Matt

I suppose engineers can figure out a way to keep those locales in place as islands and we can build really long bridges from OK or LA.

Stop with these fantasies. Secession is a package deal, we lose the good along with the bad.

The Vicious Babushka Oct 20, 2015 • 10:45:38am

Sorry guys, he’s straight

Lidane Oct 20, 2015 • 10:45:45am

We’re entirely willing to believe Chuck C. Johnson is this stupid, but dear Christ. https://t.co/r3zUf1iXYH

— Wonkette (@Wonkette) October 20, 2015

lawhawk Oct 20, 2015 • 10:46:48am

@Green_Footballs Did you catch this from Chuck? pic.twitter.com/T6XgfE985l

— Peter Huestis (@RealSparklePony) October 20, 2015

Chucky, Star Trek expert, opines about George Lucas.

Showing his cluelessness about both. Lucas wrote SW. Roddenberry was behind ST. That’s worse than crossing the streams. Any nerd would know the difference between the two.

Hate to break it to Chucky, but many in the original SW were from the UK - since it was filmed in the UK. Extras were often from the UK. Cushing, Prowse, Daniels, Guiness, and Mayhew were all from the UK. So too is Ian McDiarmid.

So, while the story originated in George Lucas’ mind, it was populated with actors/characters from all over. And Lucas took cues from everywhere - Kurosawa for some stuff, Eastern religions for others, etc. Hardly American ideas - but he translated and reconfigured all of it into its own unique movie world (which occurs in a galaxy far far away).

HappyWarrior Oct 20, 2015 • 10:47:16am

Feels weird having a national leader born in the early 70’s. I know he’s not the youngest world leader but he was in high school when I was born.

Nyet Oct 20, 2015 • 10:47:36am

re: #51 The Vicious Babushka

To Ben anyone to the left of Pinochet is a leftist nutjob.

HappyWarrior Oct 20, 2015 • 10:49:33am

re: #62 lawhawk

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Chucky, Star Trek expert, opines about George Lucas.

Showing his cluelessness about both. Lucas wrote SW. Roddenberry was behind ST. That’s worse than crossing the streams. Any nerd would know the difference between the two.

Hate to break it to Chucky, but many in the original SW were from the UK - since it was filmed in the UK. Extras were often from the UK. Cushing, Prowse, Daniels, Guiness, and Mayhew were all from the UK. So too is Ian McDiarmid.

So, while the story originated in George Lucas’ mind, it was populated with actors/characters from all over. And Lucas took cues from everywhere - Kurosawa for some stuff, Eastern religions for others, etc. Hardly American ideas - but he translated and reconfigured all of it into its own unique movie world (which occurs in a galaxy far far away).

Frankly, it’s his movie, he can do whatever he wants with it. He could make the cast all LGBT and it would be the same point. It’s his creation not these obnoxious nerds who can’t stand reality. And you’re right. Star Wars has tons of Eastern influence to begin with. And frankly as a white suburbite but non Star WArs fan, I don’t care about race, I care about interesting characters.

HappyWarrior Oct 20, 2015 • 10:49:50am

re: #64 Nyet

To Ben anyone to the left of Pinochet is a leftist nutjob.

Quite true.

Barefoot Grin Oct 20, 2015 • 10:50:34am

re: #62 lawhawk

Kirk loved Hot Green Women.

Dr. Matt Oct 20, 2015 • 10:51:06am

re: #67 Barefoot Grin

Kirk loved Hot Green Women.

Who doesn’t???!

Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light) Oct 20, 2015 • 10:51:22am

re: #65 HappyWarrior

Frankly, it’s his movie, he can do whatever he wants with it. He could make the cast all LGBT and it would be the same point. It’s his creation not these obnoxious nerds who can’t stand reality. And you’re right. Star Wars has tons of Eastern influence to begin with. And frankly as a white suburbite but non Star WArs fan, I don’t care about race, I care about interesting characters.

You are missing the point of this ongoing topic of commentary. It is to hijack attention and get the debate focused on them. Which they have succeeded in doing.

Eclectic Cyborg Oct 20, 2015 • 10:51:48am

The funny thing is a good chunk of Star Wars (the original films) were white people battling troopers in white suits so basically white vs. white.

Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light) Oct 20, 2015 • 10:52:43am

re: #70 Eclectic Cyborg

The funny thing is a good chunk of Star Wars (the original films) were white people battling troopers in white suits so basically white vs. white.

But they make the dark side of the force look more attractive…

Jebediah, RBG Oct 20, 2015 • 10:52:55am

re: #25 Kragar

Good! Fingers crossed etc.
I know the feeling - just a few weeks ago I was waiting for a biopsy report. Nerve-wracking.

Kragar Oct 20, 2015 • 10:53:28am

re: #62 lawhawk

Hell, Toshiro Mifune was the original choice for Obi-Wan, but because of scheduling issues and Mifune’s problems with English, they went with Guiness instead.

Eclectic Cyborg Oct 20, 2015 • 10:53:30am

re: #71 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

But they make the dark side of the force look more attractive…

A Dark side that is ruled by a pale white guy lol.

HappyWarrior Oct 20, 2015 • 10:53:38am

re: #69 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

You are missing the point of this ongoing topic of commentary. It is to hijack attention and get the debate focused on them. Which they have succeeded in doing.

Nah I am still thinking about the movie. Hell I may even finally see the original prequels finally.

HappyWarrior Oct 20, 2015 • 10:54:40am

re: #68 Dr. Matt

Who doesn’t???!

When Irish eyes are smiling. Oh wrong kind of green women.

TedStriker Oct 20, 2015 • 10:56:34am

re: #71 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

But they make the dark side of the force look more attractive…

Of course, because the Dark Side had cookies…

The Vicious Babushka Oct 20, 2015 • 10:57:12am

Star Wars & other space drama is human-centric. If other life forms exist on other planets the probability is that they will not resemble humans, but that’s not something that we can identify with. So they have to replicate the diversity of humans on earth.

When Star Wars introduced non-human characters (other than the droids which are mechanical) they were either cuddly pets or ZOMGKILLITWITHFIRE Jar Jar.

Nyet Oct 20, 2015 • 10:57:49am

Seems that the main weapon against Trudeau is his China quote.

The thing is, Trudeau predicted in the same speech that this will be quoted out of context.

“There’s a level of admiration I actually have for China because their basic dictatorship is allowing them to actually turn their economy around on a dime. I mean there is a flexibility that I know Stephen Harper must dream about, of having a dictatorship that he can do everything he wanted, that I find quite interesting.
But if I were to reach out and say which kind of administration I most admire, I think there’s something to be said right here in Canada for the way our territories are run.
Nunavut, Northwest Territories, and the Yukon are done without political parties around consensus. And are much more like a municipal government. And I think there’s a lot to be said for people pulling together to try and solve issues rather than to score points off of each other.
But Sun News can now report that I prefer China.”

The Vicious Babushka Oct 20, 2015 • 10:57:52am

I mean who doesn’t utterly hate Jar Jar?

Nyet Oct 20, 2015 • 10:59:13am

re: #80 The Vicious Babushka

I mean who doesn’t utterly hate Jar Jar?

Me.

lawhawk Oct 20, 2015 • 10:59:18am

re: #77 TedStriker

Which is provided in the canteen.

Lego Death Star Canteen - Eddie Izzard - The remake

Timothy Watson Oct 20, 2015 • 10:59:19am

I’ve been sitting here trying to figure where I’ve seen John Boyega before, finally bothered to look at his IMDB: He was on four episodes of 24: Live Another Day.

Eclectic Cyborg Oct 20, 2015 • 11:00:24am

re: #80 The Vicious Babushka

I mean who doesn’t utterly hate Jar Jar?

I don’t think the character was terrible, he was just focused on WAY too much during Episode 1. Cut the role back and you’d have a much stronger movie.

Nyet Oct 20, 2015 • 11:01:24am

I just don’t care about Jar Jar. Or the “first” two episodes, at that.

The Vicious Babushka Oct 20, 2015 • 11:02:44am

Jar Jar, despite being a “non human” creature, was given the voice of a racial stereotype.

Timothy Watson Oct 20, 2015 • 11:03:12am

re: #84 Eclectic Cyborg

I don’t think the character was terrible, he was just focused on WAY too much during Episode 1. Cut the role back and you’d have a much stronger movie.

The guy who did the Star Wars video reviews barely mentioned Jar Jar and thought he distracted from the real failings of the prequels.

HappyWarrior Oct 20, 2015 • 11:03:32am

Regarding racial stereotypes in film. Of the modern movies, the worst one I ever saw were those two in the Transformer movies. Yeesh.

Nyet Oct 20, 2015 • 11:03:34am

re: #86 The Vicious Babushka

Jar Jar, despite being a “non human” creature, was given the voice of a racial stereotype.

And he’s not the only one…

lawhawk Oct 20, 2015 • 11:03:44am

re: #86 The Vicious Babushka

Same thing with the Trade Federation.

It's on his hat! Oct 20, 2015 • 11:04:18am

re: #90 lawhawk

Same thing with the Trade Federation.

And Watto.

Timothy Watson Oct 20, 2015 • 11:04:19am

re: #86 The Vicious Babushka

Jar Jar, despite being a “non human” creature, was given the voice of a racial stereotype.

So was Watto (Semitic-sounding junk dealer) and the guys in charge of the Trade Federation (Asian-sounding merchants trying to take over a planet).

Eclectic Cyborg Oct 20, 2015 • 11:05:51am

re: #92 Timothy Watson

So was Watto (Semitic-sounding junk dealer) and the guys in charge of the Trade Federation (Asian-sounding merchants trying to take over a planet).

Yeah Episode I was pretty bad for overt stereotypes.

Nyet Oct 20, 2015 • 11:06:14am

What’s wrong with Lucas?

Targetpractice Oct 20, 2015 • 11:06:46am

re: #94 Nyet

What’s wrong with Lucas?

Got high on his own supply.

The Vicious Babushka Oct 20, 2015 • 11:08:26am

re: #92 Timothy Watson

So was Watto (Semitic-sounding junk dealer) and the guys in charge of the Trade Federation (Asian-sounding merchants trying to take over a planet).

Greedo.

WhatEVs Oct 20, 2015 • 11:09:02am

re: #36 Amory Blaine

A boycott would be great. Who wants to sit next to some stupid teabaggers at the movies? Also, too bad so sad for Jeb. Can he go fuck off now?

Teabaggers with carry concealed weapons, no less.

Eclectic Cyborg Oct 20, 2015 • 11:09:34am

re: #96 The Vicious Babushka

Greedo.

Also wasn’t Lando’s co-pilot in Return of the Jedi (the name escapes me) something of an Asian stereotype?

Nyet Oct 20, 2015 • 11:10:16am

re: #96 The Vicious Babushka

Greedo.

Whose stereotype is he?

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lawhawk Oct 20, 2015 • 11:10:56am

re: #96 The Vicious Babushka

Greedo.

No, that’s what was wrong with Lucas. /

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HappyWarrior Oct 20, 2015 • 11:11:32am

Just saw that the MLB is making a Babe Ruth miniseries. Even if you don’t like baseball. Ruth was probably the first American sports icon.

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light) Oct 20, 2015 • 11:11:54am

re: #98 Eclectic Cyborg

Also wasn’t Lando’s co-pilot in Return of the Jedi (the name escapes me) something of an Asian stereotype?

Jabba the Hutt was obviously based on Biggie Smalls…

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Eclectic Cyborg Oct 20, 2015 • 11:12:41am

re: #101 HappyWarrior

Just saw that the MLB is making a Babe Ruth miniseries. Even if you don’t like baseball. Ruth was probably the first American sports icon.

What about Honus Wagner?

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Targetpractice Oct 20, 2015 • 11:13:32am

Lucas’ issue was that he didn’t have anybody after the original trilogy to say “No” to him. He surrounded himself with sycophants who told him what he wanted to hear, namely that his ideas were the greatest thing ever, and that resulted in the horrors of the prequel films. Same thing happened with Roddenberry after the success of the original series, but thankfully the studio execs keyed in after The Motion Picture that they had to put some sort of filter between Gene and the sausage-making, else they were never going to have a successful movie franchise.

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Barefoot Grin Oct 20, 2015 • 11:14:15am

I think most people know about Lucas’s great admiration for Kurosawa. I think that in part informs the samurai-swashbuckling aspects of the first SW, and it also likely informs the Asian inflections (by Asia I really mean east Asia).

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HappyWarrior Oct 20, 2015 • 11:14:21am

re: #103 Eclectic Cyborg

What about Honus Wagner?

I love Wagner hell family lore even says he and my great grandpa were friends but he wasn’t a living icon the way the Babe was. Great player though and criminally underrated.

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The Vicious Babushka Oct 20, 2015 • 11:15:47am

re: #106 HappyWarrior

I love Wagner hell family lore even says he and my great grandpa were friends but he wasn’t a living icon the way the Babe was. Great player though and criminally underrated.

Ty Cobb was the original sports asshole.

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bratwurst Oct 20, 2015 • 11:17:35am

His perfect record of always being wrong about everything continues!

.@adesnik @DouthatNYT No objective evidence Empire was “evil.” A liberal regime w meritocracy, upward mobility. Neocon/reformicon in spirit.

— Bill Kristol (@BillKristol) October 20, 2015

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whitebeach Oct 20, 2015 • 11:19:08am

re: #101 HappyWarrior

Just saw that the MLB is making a Babe Ruth miniseries. Even if you don’t like baseball. Ruth was probably the first American sports icon.

John L. Sullivan.

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Jebediah, RBG Oct 20, 2015 • 11:19:45am

re: #101 HappyWarrior

Major Taylor was born seventeen years earlier. IMO he would be the first, even though he isn’t as well remembered today.
Although, to be fair, he wasn’t universally loved - there are hair-raising tales of post-race narrow escapes from angry, violent mobs pissed off that a black guy trounced all the white guys so badly.

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HappyWarrior Oct 20, 2015 • 11:21:29am

re: #107 The Vicious Babushka

Ty Cobb was the original sports asshole.

Right he was but I am talking about strictly legendary. Babe Ruth is a legend for baseball in the way Michael Jordan is for basketball. He transcends the sport. And yeah Cobb was a huge dick but interestingly does not appear to have been a KKK member. There are two hall of famers who are known to have been- Tris Speaker and Rodgers Hornsby and Cobb even had nice words to say about Willie Mays but this was much later obviously. Wagner from what I have heard was actually quite progressive minded on race for his time. There was a Negro League player named John Henry Lloyd who the white papers called the “Black Wagner”, Honus told them that they should be comparing him to Lloyd and not the other way around.

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HappyWarrior Oct 20, 2015 • 11:22:03am

re: #109 whitebeach

John L. Sullivan.

Yeah you’re right. Sullivan was huge. Sad how he ended up dying pretty broke if I remembe reading right.

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Jebediah, RBG Oct 20, 2015 • 11:22:06am

re: #105 Barefoot Grin

I’ve been told that Star Wars is a scene-for-scene remake of Kurosawa’s Hidden Fortress.

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Nyet Oct 20, 2015 • 11:22:23am

re: #108 bratwurst

I think Bill - or some other wingnut of his ilk - had a whole article defending the Empire.

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HappyWarrior Oct 20, 2015 • 11:22:54am

re: #110 Jebediah, RBG

Major Taylor was born seventeen years earlier. IMO he would be the first, even though he isn’t as well remembered today.
Although, to be fair, he wasn’t universally loved - there are hair-raising tales of post-race narrow escapes from angry, violent mobs pissed off that a black guy trounced all the white guys so badly.

Jack Johnson had his career railroaded for having relations with white women. Such a shame how bigotry ruined so many careers. I’ll have to look up Major Taylor. I actually don’t know him.

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Timothy Watson Oct 20, 2015 • 11:22:59am

re: #108 bratwurst

His perfect record of always being wrong about everything continues!

[Embedded content]

…

Sure, the Empire wasn’t evil, it just murdered how many people at Alderaan?

Also notice that there are no aliens or women in the Imperial military (the Expanded Universe talks a lot about the discrimination faced by those groups in the Empire).

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Nyet Oct 20, 2015 • 11:23:18am

I wrote about this a few days ago.

answersingenesis.org

Putting modern variations of animals in the creation scene: Zebras, Clydesdales, and donkeys are all part of the horse kind and came to look like they do today since the Flood as part of the one horse kind. Species and the biblical kind are not necessarily the same things. The original horse kind likely had features resembling each of these. They diversified into what we have today through natural selection in the wild and artificial selection for man’s benefit. The same is true with the cat kind. Domestic cats, lions, bobcats, tigers, and so on, are all varieties in the one cat kind that have developed through variation since the Flood. It is better to draw generic representatives of each kind, such as the cats, horses, parrots, deer, and elephants (which includes mammoths and mastodons, Asian, African, and so on).

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Jebediah, RBG Oct 20, 2015 • 11:23:40am

re: #109 whitebeach

Wasn’t he the guy that had people saying “Shake the hand that shook the hand of…”?

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Nyet Oct 20, 2015 • 11:24:20am

re: #114 Nyet

I think Bill - or some other wingnut of his ilk - had a whole article defending the Empire.

Here it is:

weeklystandard.com

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Backwoods_Sleuth Oct 20, 2015 • 11:24:24am

Disappointed Jim Webb dropped out because I thought he might spend the next debate carving little aluminum men out of beer cans.

— pourmecoffee (@pourmecoffee) October 20, 2015

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HappyWarrior Oct 20, 2015 • 11:24:50am

Thinking about Sulilvan and those early boxers though man that just astounds me. It was bare knuckled in those days and they would go at for so many more rounds than they do today.

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Nyet Oct 20, 2015 • 11:25:36am

Funny how YECs are forced to believe in hyper-evolution no evolutionist could ever accept.

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jaunte Oct 20, 2015 • 11:25:53am

re: #108 bratwurst

A liberal regime w meritocracy, upward mobility.

Every time Vader kills a senior officer, he creates a new job!

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Jebediah, RBG Oct 20, 2015 • 11:26:12am

re: #115 HappyWarrior

He was pretty awesome. There’s a local bike club called “Major Motion” named after him and one in San Diego too.

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light) Oct 20, 2015 • 11:27:25am

re: #122 Nyet

Funny how YECs are forced to believe in hyper-evolution no evolutionist could ever accept.

They are not bound by the restrictions of science or even logic. They feel free to adapt their view of reality to fit their interpretation of scripture.

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HappyWarrior Oct 20, 2015 • 11:27:28am

re: #124 Jebediah, RBG

He was pretty awesome. There’s a local bike club called “Major Motion” named after him and one in San Diego too.

Yeah I wikied him after I read the name. Cool stuff. Good daily learn something new moment here for me.

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Barefoot Grin Oct 20, 2015 • 11:27:31am

re: #113 Jebediah, RBG

Yeah, I think that’s pretty close. In the first years Lucas himself had said it was thinly based on Seven Samurai, but that’s harder to see.

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Fourth Football of the Apocalypse Oct 20, 2015 • 11:28:57am

re: #116 Timothy Watson

Sure, the Empire wasn’t evil, it just murdered how many people at Alderaan?

Feature, not a bug, etc

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Nyet Oct 20, 2015 • 11:29:38am

re: #125 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

They are not bound by the restrictions of science or even logic. They feel free to adapt their view of reality to fit their interpretation of scripture.

If facts contradict my ~~theory~~ Scripture, so much worse for the facts.

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Jebediah, RBG Oct 20, 2015 • 11:30:00am

re: #127 Barefoot Grin

Anyway, Kurosawa really messed up that franchise with “Hidden Fortress 2 Feudal Boogaloo” - I think that’s the one wherefrom Lucas stole the Jar Jar Binks character.

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lawhawk Oct 20, 2015 • 11:30:17am

re: #106 HappyWarrior

A few years back, I stayed in a NY hamlet known as Fleischmanns. The town’s claim to fame was that after the turn of the century, baseball players used to come there regularly to practice/play before the season. Honus Wagner was the most famous of those players. I stayed in a vacation home across from where he played.

Fleischmanns Park, which dominated the north side of Wagner Avenue, was a gift to the village in May 1914 from Julius Fleischmann, son of Charles. Among the many interests of the Fleischmann family was major league baseball. The park, formerly known as the Mountain Athletic Club, was where their players came to get in shape before the start of the regular season. One player in particular stood out—Honus Wagner. Wagner was known to his fans as the Flying Dutchman and was admitted to the Baseball Hall of Fame in 1936. Stipulations of Julius’ gift were and still remain: that it always be used as a park and athletic grounds, that it always be kept in good condition, that it never be sold or sublet and always be of free access to the public. However, in 1934 the village obtained from the heirs a release from the word “free” so that for certain events a fee could be charged.

Added footnote - there’s a synagogue in town that was established in 1918 adjacent to the ballfield.

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Fourth Football of the Apocalypse Oct 20, 2015 • 11:30:33am

re: #117 Nyet

The same is true with the cat kind. Domestic cats, lions, bobcats, tigers, and so on, are all varieties in the one cat kind that have developed through variation since the Flood.

OK, but which cat went on the ark?

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Nyet Oct 20, 2015 • 11:30:53am

re: #116 Timothy Watson

The destruction of Alderaan is often cited as ipso facto proof of the Empire’s “evilness” because it seems like mass murder—planeticide, even. As Tarkin prepares to fire the Death Star, Princess Leia implores him to spare the planet, saying, “Alderaan is peaceful. We have no weapons.” Her plea is important, if true.

But the audience has no reason to believe that Leia is telling the truth. In Episode IV, every bit of information she gives the Empire is willfully untrue. In the opening, she tells Darth Vader that she is on a diplomatic mission of mercy, when in fact she is on a spy mission, trying to deliver schematics of the Death Star to the Rebel Alliance. When asked where the Alliance is headquartered, she lies again.

Leia’s lies are perfectly defensible—she thinks she’s serving the greater good—but they make her wholly unreliable on the question of whether or not Alderaan really is peaceful and defenseless. If anything, since Leia is a high-ranking member of the rebellion and the princess of Alderaan, it would be reasonable to suspect that Alderaan is a front for Rebel activity or at least home to many more spies and insurgents like Leia.

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Jebediah, RBG Oct 20, 2015 • 11:31:17am

re: #132 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse

Had to have been Ceiling Cat.

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Nyet Oct 20, 2015 • 11:31:35am

re: #132 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse

Ur-cat.

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makeitstop Oct 20, 2015 • 11:32:16am

re: #107 The Vicious Babushka

Ty Cobb was the original sports asshole.

This calls for a song.

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(Hidden because of NSFW language.)

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The Vicious Babushka Oct 20, 2015 • 11:33:43am

re: #131 lawhawk

A few years back, I stayed in a NY hamlet known as Fleischmanns. The town’s claim to fame was that after the turn of the century, baseball players used to come there regularly to practice/play before the season. Honus Wagner was the most famous of those players. I stayed in a vacation home across from where he played.

Added footnote - there’s a synagogue in town that was established in 1918 adjacent to the ballfield.

Years ago before we bought our current house, Ty Cobb’s old house was up for sale. I had the real estate agent show me around but didn’t like the floor plan, and anyway with 9 kids I could not have maintained a historic site (although it was not designated as such back then).

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ObserverArt Oct 20, 2015 • 11:34:46am

re: #41 HappyWarrior

We’re better than that thankfully.

We’re better than that does not work in politics when dealing with jackals like the GOP.

I understand the way you feel though.

Edit: Sorry Happy, I misunderstood your comment. Thus my comment is dumb. Working and reading along sometimes does not work!

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whitebeach Oct 20, 2015 • 11:35:21am

re: #118 Jebediah, RBG

Wasn’t he the guy that had people saying “Shake the hand that shook the hand of…”?

‘Twas himself.

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Nyet Oct 20, 2015 • 11:35:47am

BTW, by admitting speciation since the Flood, YECs are actually admitting macroevolution.

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HappyWarrior Oct 20, 2015 • 11:35:54am

re: #131 lawhawk

A few years back, I stayed in a NY hamlet known as Fleischmanns. The town’s claim to fame was that after the turn of the century, baseball players used to come there regularly to practice/play before the season. Honus Wagner was the most famous of those players. I stayed in a vacation home across from where he played.

Added footnote - there’s a synagogue in town that was established in 1918 adjacent to the ballfield.

Cool stuff. No real historical baseball around here but lots of it in Pittsburgh where my dad’s folks are from. Nana even grew up near what became Three Rivers Stadium and it was her Dad that knew Wagner apparently. Really, I think Wagner might be one of the most underrated players ever. He’s more than just the famous card. He certainly was respected in his era since along with Cobb, Ruth, Mathewson, and Walter Johnson h was part of the first class at the Hall of FAme.

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lawhawk Oct 20, 2015 • 11:36:41am

re: #133 Nyet

The fact that the Empire would feel the need to build a planet killer in the first place to keep the star systems in line is ipso facto proof that they were evil. This wasn’t some regime that was merciful and magnanimous, let alone willing to tolerate dissenting opinions. They sought to eliminate it - planet by planet.

Even if you assume that Alderaan held a rebel base with 10s of millions of rebel troops, ships, etc., there were billions of people on the planet, and that was indeed genocide.

And the Empire realized the need to go and build additional Death Stars after the first, because the need to keep the systems in line was so great. That’s not exactly a good sign that the Empire was good.

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iossarian Oct 20, 2015 • 11:37:13am

re: #137 The Vicious Babushka

Years ago before we bought our current house, Ty Cobb’s old house was up for sale. I had the real estate agent show me around but didn’t like the floor plan, and anyway with 9 kids I could not have maintained a historic site (although it was not designated as such back then).

Were the fence posts sharpened to deadly points?

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HappyWarrior Oct 20, 2015 • 11:37:38am

re: #138 ObserverArt

We’re better than that does not work in politics when dealing with jackals like the GOP.

I understand the way you feel though.

What I mean is we’re better to engage in racial slurs at candidates. I mean we have our problems with Cruz, Jindal, Rubio, etc but I contend and I think everyone here can agree that we would have a problem with Cruz if his name was Ted Crane and his father was from California not Cuba.

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GlutenFreeJesus Oct 20, 2015 • 11:38:03am

re: #57 HappyWarrior

Can we at least keep Austin, San Antonio, and a good brisket place?

The Salt Lick is close enough to Austin. Deal!

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Barefoot Grin Oct 20, 2015 • 11:38:26am

re: #130 Jebediah, RBG

Maybe it was Yo! Jimbo!

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Kragar Oct 20, 2015 • 11:38:31am

re: #108 bratwurst

Bill Kristol “Alderran Truther” https://t.co/XmD06ruWfk

— Kragar (@Kragar_LGF) October 20, 2015

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Belafon Oct 20, 2015 • 11:39:19am

re: #128 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse

Feature, not a bug, etc

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They were all opposed to gun ownership.

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Nyet Oct 20, 2015 • 11:39:30am

re: #142 lawhawk

But but but commie Rebels!

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Timothy Watson Oct 20, 2015 • 11:39:39am

re: #133 Nyet

Well, of course Kristol supports torture and the extermination of an entire people because one or two of them might be guilty of some crime.

And Tarkin never disputes Leia’s point and specifically asks for a military target:

Leia: No! Alderaan is peaceful. We have no weapons. You can’t possibly—

Tarkin: You would prefer another target? A military target? Then name the system.

[…]

Tarkin: Dantooine is too remote to make an effective demonstration, but don’t worry, we will deal with your rebel friends soon enough.

Tarkin didn’t care as much as about killing rebels as making an “effective demonstration”.

Kinda like the neocons and Iraq.

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Eclectic Cyborg Oct 20, 2015 • 11:39:51am

re: #147 Kragar

[Embedded content]

*Alderaan

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HappyWarrior Oct 20, 2015 • 11:40:14am

Well VB, at least Detroit had Hank Greenberg. Hank Greenberg is also very under appreciated. He not only stood up to racial discrimination when Robinson entered the league but was one of the few former players to stand by Curt Flood when he challenged the Reserve Clause. He had to put up with a lot of shit for being Jewish too. I guess there were a lot of Muslims in those days. //

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nines09 Oct 20, 2015 • 11:40:22am

Trump and Carson lead the pack. Wow. What a shock.

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lawhawk Oct 20, 2015 • 11:41:05am

re: #137 The Vicious Babushka

Yogi Berra’s home in Montclair NJ was recently up for sale too. Needs a bunch of work, but it’s a modest place and it sold for just under $1 million ($988,888). A lot of players from that era lived modestly.

I also saw that Bruce Springsteen’s home in Asbury Park is up for sale too - for about $300k, even if that too needs a ton of work. It’s the home where he wrote Born to Run in 1975.

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Nyet Oct 20, 2015 • 11:41:24am

re: #151 Eclectic Cyborg

*Alderaan

:P

You grammar stormtrooper! //

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Jebediah, RBG Oct 20, 2015 • 11:42:43am

re: #146 Barefoot Grin

Ha!

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HappyWarrior Oct 20, 2015 • 11:43:50am

re: #154 lawhawk

Yogi Berra’s home in Montclair NJ was recently up for sale too. Needs a bunch of work, but it’s a modest place and it sold for just under $1 million ($988,888). A lot of players from that era lived modestly.

I also saw that Bruce Springsteen’s home in Asbury Park is up for sale too - for about $300k, even if that too needs a ton of work. It’s the home where he wrote Born to Run in 1975.

A lot of players in that era worked winter jobs. It’s funny. In these days, you can tweet at these guys but in those days, they were a lot more relatable since they often lived among you. It’s still like that for the minor leaguers still trying to make it. One of my substitute teachers in high school was an alum of the high school who was a Braves arm hand. Never quite made it to the bigs but he ended up after retiring coaching the baseball team at the high school some years.

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Amory Blaine Oct 20, 2015 • 11:44:55am

I haven’t cared much about baseball since Rollie Fingers took the mound with his boss mustache.

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sagehen Oct 20, 2015 • 11:47:10am

re: #152 HappyWarrior

Well VB, at least Detroit had Hank Greenberg. Hank Greenberg is also very under appreciated. He not only stood up to racial discrimination when Robinson entered the league but was one of the few former players to stand by Curt Flood when he challenged the Reserve Clause. He had to put up with a lot of shit for being Jewish too. I guess there were a lot of Muslims in those days. //

Sandy Koufax. Every Jew’s baseball role model. World Series, team badly needed him to pitch — but Yom Kippur. So sorry, I’ll be at synagogue that day. Let’s hope one of our other pitchers is good enough, I hope you win guys, but I won’t be there. (had a special clause in his contract, that the team couldn’t argue with him about it).

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HappyWarrior Oct 20, 2015 • 11:50:28am

re: #159 sagehen

Sandy Koufax. Every Jew’s baseball role model. World Series, team badly needed him to pitch — but Yom Kippur. So sorry, I’ll be at synagogue that day. Let’s hope one of our other pitchers is good enough, I hope you win guys, but I won’t be there. (had a special clause in his contract, that the team couldn’t argue with him about it).

Good thing the Dodgers had Drysdale. :). I brought up Greenberg though since he played his career in Detroit though. Lots of great Jewish players over the years though.

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Aunty Entity Dragon Oct 20, 2015 • 11:52:43am

re: #92 Timothy Watson

So was Watto (Semitic-sounding junk dealer) and the guys in charge of the Trade Federation (Asian-sounding merchants trying to take over a planet).

This is why I avoid watching movies with some progressives I really like as well as a certain type of conservative.

Too damned much digging for something to be offended by. If you look hard enough for something, you will absolutely find it.
(example…last week at Lawyers, Guns & Money a debate was held on whether the lead character Mark in The Martian and his dismay at having nothing but disco to listen to for two years was a covert slam on GLBT musicians from the 70’s. Yes, they really thought The Martian is a patriarchal attack on the gay community and gay friendly music)

If you want to read into a vocalization well then have at it…but there are only so many ways to speak in English. (or else you can just invent new languages for all the races and have a lot of translation at the bottom of the screen, which can be unwieldy and risks becoming a distraction)

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Timothy Watson Oct 20, 2015 • 11:56:26am

re: #161 Aunty Entity Dragon

This is why I avoid watching movies with some progressives I really like as well as a certain type of conservative.

Too damned much digging for something to be offended by. If you look hard enough for something, you will absolutely find it.
(example…last week at Lawyers, Guns & Money a debate was held on whether the lead character Mark in The Martian and his dismay at having nothing but disco to listen to for two years was a covert slam on GLBT musicians from the 70’s. Yes, they really thought The Martian is a patriarchal attack on the gay community and gay friendly music)

If you want to read into a vocalization well then have at it…but there are only so many ways to speak in English. (or else you can just invent new languages for all the races and have a lot of translation at the bottom of the screen, which can be unwieldy and risks becoming a distraction)

I try not to read too much into casting, accidents, etc., but some of the prequel stuff seemed to really appeal to certain American stereotypes.

(typo fixed, forgot “not”)

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