Saturday Morning Podcast: The Bubble Genius Bob & Chez Show, With Yours Truly

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This episode of The Bubble Genius Bob & Chez Show features your humble LGF owner, discussing the Hillary Clinton Benghazi Witch Hunt, the Rathergate affair, Chuck Johnson’s legal bumbling, and more.

Adult Monchichi: Charles Johnson Joins Us to Discuss Benghazi, Chuck C. Johnson and Dan Rather; Hillary Clinton Testifies at Trey Gowdy’s Ridiculous Benghazi Committee; Fox and Friends Blames Hillary for the Hearings; Getting a Conservative Radio Show; Debunking the Benghazi Myths; Ben Carson is Winning Iowa; Ben Carson Says Hillary is Going to Jail; Plus a Visit from Paper Willy; and much more.

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229 comments
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Nyet  Oct 24, 2015 • 10:20:06am

Who knew that a GOP-led witch-hunt would turn out to be a boon to its intended victim?

Thanks, wingnuts.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 24, 2015 • 10:21:55am
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Dr. Matt  Oct 24, 2015 • 10:24:02am
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CuriousLurker  Oct 24, 2015 • 10:24:20am

I don’t usually read Alternet, but someone tweeted this earlier and I found it interesting: Why Hillary Makes Right-Wingers So Crazy

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Eclectic Cyborg  Oct 24, 2015 • 10:25:52am

You know Charles, before I heard your voice for the first time (which was before today), I always assumed it would be deeper. Not sure why.

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CuriousLurker  Oct 24, 2015 • 10:28:36am

re: #5 Eclectic Cyborg

Me too, it makes him sound younger. If I knew nothing else about him and only heard his voice, I’d think he was in his 20’s at the most.

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Varek Raith  Oct 24, 2015 • 10:28:57am

re: #5 Eclectic Cyborg

You know Charles, before I heard your voice for the first time (which was before today), I always assumed it would be deeper. Not sure why.

It’s all the jazz.
Makes you… different.
/

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stpaulbear  Oct 24, 2015 • 10:31:00am

re: #6 CuriousLurker

Me too, it makes him sound younger. If I knew nothing else about him and only heard his voice, I’d think he was in his 20’s at the most.

Being a full time musician puts you in a state of arrested development. ;)

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 24, 2015 • 10:32:20am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 24, 2015 • 10:33:21am
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HappyWarrior  Oct 24, 2015 • 10:37:29am

re: #9 Backwoods_Sleuth

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She really lives in her own world doesn’t she? And Peggy your party is homophobic, racist, and sexist. If you don’t want us to call you that, drop that part from your party. It’s not because you are a conservative, it’s because your party caters to bigotry.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 24, 2015 • 10:39:52am

BWS mentioned Maureen O’Hara’s passing. I am not a John Wayne fan at all. His acting never did much for me and his politics were awful but I have a sentimental weakness for The Quiet Man since I have roots in County Mayo whre the film was set and furthermore the Wayne character (Sean) was a Pittsburgh boxer. I also watched the film while I studied in Ireland in teh summer of 29009. I have yet to go to Mayo but I plan to now knowing my roots there.

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b.d.  Oct 24, 2015 • 10:41:17am

re: #9 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Donald Trump is running the GOP and Peggy Noonan is saying that the Dems are impolite?

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Eclectic Cyborg  Oct 24, 2015 • 10:43:07am

re: #10 Backwoods_Sleuth

Dur! Where’s all the people saying cars shud be outlawed!!

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thedopefishlives  Oct 24, 2015 • 10:43:16am

Afternoon Lizardim.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 24, 2015 • 10:43:25am

Maybe it’s just my personality but when a bigot acts like a bigot, I think they should be called out on it. It’s not rude to do so especially when it’s the cornerstone of that party’s ideology.

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b.d.  Oct 24, 2015 • 10:44:40am

re: #11 HappyWarrior

She really lives in her own world doesn’t she?

At least she is now admitting that the last 6 years weren’t so bad after all.

baby steps.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Oct 24, 2015 • 10:44:51am

If someone doesn’t agree with the gay lifestyle, but they treat every gay person they meet with dignity and respect does that still make them a bigot?

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Nyet  Oct 24, 2015 • 10:44:55am

re: #16 HappyWarrior

Maybe it’s just my personality but when a bigot acts like a bigot, I think they should be called out on it. It’s not rude to do so especially when it’s the cornerstone of that party’s ideology.

It is, isn’t it? The GOP runs on pure ressentiment right now.

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A Mom Anon  Oct 24, 2015 • 10:45:03am

re: #13 b.d.

This is the same woman who has made a career for herself, a pretty lucrative one at that, cutting down women who have careers. Of course she’s branched out quite a bit from that, but she made quite a name for herself being “anti-feminist”.

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ObserverArt  Oct 24, 2015 • 10:45:37am

re: #1 Nyet

Who knew that a GOP-led witch-hunt would turn out to be a boon to its intended victim?

Thanks, wingnuts.

Sergey, I left a late-to-the-thread comment for you in the previous thread about the Texas Clock Kid’s family relocation.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 24, 2015 • 10:47:51am

re: #20 A Mom Anon

This is the same woman who has made a career for herself, a pretty lucrative one at that, cutting down women who have careers. Of course she’s branched out quite a bit from that, but she made quite a name for herself being “anti-feminist”.

She worked for the Reagan White House. Ronnie was fond of patronizing Democrats and liberals and acting like one had to be a moron to be a liberal in the first place not ot mention his racist pandering. Really, I don’t want ot hear it from Noonan about politeness. I’ll never be a dick to someone just because they’re a Republican but if you say something sexist, homophobic, or racist, don’t cry about me being rude or impolite if I tell you exactly what it is.

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stpaulbear  Oct 24, 2015 • 10:47:51am

re: #18 Eclectic Cyborg

If someone doesn’t agree with the gay lifestyle, but they treat every gay person they meet with dignity and respect does that still make them a bigot?

If they’re using the term ‘gay lifestyle’, they’re a bigot. There is no such thing as a gay lifestyle.

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wrenchwench  Oct 24, 2015 • 10:48:23am

re: #15 thedopefishlives

Afternoon Lizardim.

No it isn’t! We have 12 more minutes!

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thedopefishlives  Oct 24, 2015 • 10:49:11am

re: #24 wrenchwench

No it isn’t! We have 12 more minutes!

It’s 5 o’clock somewhere.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Oct 24, 2015 • 10:49:18am

re: #24 wrenchwench

No it isn’t! We have 12 more minutes!

Hour and 12 minutes here.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 24, 2015 • 10:49:22am

re: #23 stpaulbear

If they’re using the term ‘gay lifestyle’, they’re a bigot. There is no such thing as a gay lifestyle.

I have to agree with this, I’m straight but my lifestyle is totally different form that of someone like Trump or any of the other GOPers running. I really cringe when I hear the “gay lifestyle” phrase.

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Nyet  Oct 24, 2015 • 10:49:34am

re: #23 stpaulbear

If they’re using the term ‘gay lifestyle’, they’re a bigot. There is no such thing as a gay lifestyle.

There is, and it’s fabulous!/// (kidding)

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HappyWarrior  Oct 24, 2015 • 10:49:49am

re: #25 thedopefishlives

It’s 5 o’clock somewhere.

Somewhere on the ocean.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Oct 24, 2015 • 10:50:14am

re: #23 stpaulbear

If they’re using the term ‘gay lifestyle’, they’re a bigot. There is no such thing as a gay lifestyle.

I see your point, but what would be the appropriate phrasing there for someone who has personal beliefs against homosexuality? Would it have been better to say “disagree with that orientation” or perhaps “disagree with that sexual identity”?

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Skip Intro  Oct 24, 2015 • 10:50:20am

Who says the GOP is a bunch of do-nothing wankers?

GOP Lawmakers Want To Make Gun Silencers Cheaper, Easier To Buy

Certainly one of the most pressing issues of the day.

huffingtonpost.com

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thedopefishlives  Oct 24, 2015 • 10:50:40am

re: #27 HappyWarrior

I have to agree with this, I’m straight but my lifestyle is totally different form that of someone like Trump or any of the other GOPers running. I really cringe when I hear the “gay lifestyle” phrase.

I had to think about it a minute, but I do agree. The people who say “gay lifestyle” are implying that homosexuality is a choice - the “wrong” choice.

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Nyet  Oct 24, 2015 • 10:50:43am

re: #30 Eclectic Cyborg

“against being gay”?

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Eclectic Cyborg  Oct 24, 2015 • 10:51:09am

re: #31 Skip Intro

Who says the GOP is a bunch of do-nothing wankers?

GOP Lawmakers Want To Make Gun Silencers Cheaper, Easier To Buy

Certainly one of the most pressing issues of the day.

huffingtonpost.com

Sure, let’s make it HARDER to tell there’s an active shooter around. Fuckers.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Oct 24, 2015 • 10:51:30am

re: #33 Nyet

“against being gay”?

That seems reasonable.

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Dr. Matt  Oct 24, 2015 • 10:52:02am

re: #9 Backwoods_Sleuth

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When Peggy was a kid, the GOP wouldn’t have embraced such ignorant racist extremists like Trump, Palin, Carson, Nugent, Bundy, Beck, etc., etc.,

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thedopefishlives  Oct 24, 2015 • 10:52:12am

re: #34 Eclectic Cyborg

Sure, let’s make it HARDER to tell there’s an active shooter around. Fuckers.

HURR DURR BUT THEN TEH SHOOTERS WON’T KNOW IF THERE’S A GOOD GUY WITH A GUN SHOOTING AT THEM!!!

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wrenchwench  Oct 24, 2015 • 10:52:18am
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HappyWarrior  Oct 24, 2015 • 10:53:20am

re: #32 thedopefishlives

I had to think about it a minute, but I do agree. The people who say “gay lifestyle” are implying that homosexuality is a choice - the “wrong” choice.

I think yeah that and obviously I can’t speak for LGBT lizards but I think it implies some kind of ousiderdom. I had a gay roommate. He went to class, he studied, he drank (probably?), etc. I understand EC didn’t mean harm but the phrase “homosexual lifestyle” really rubs me the wrong way. My gay friends and classmates and family members are just like me, they’re just attracted to different people. I don’t tell my straight friends that prefer blonde women that they live a blonde lifestyle.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Oct 24, 2015 • 10:53:40am

re: #30 Eclectic Cyborg

I see your point, but what would be the appropriate phrasing there for someone who has personal beliefs against homosexuality? Would it have been better to say “disagree with that orientation” or perhaps “disagree with that sexual identity”?

My test is: replace any reference to homosexuality with skin color.

If you would still consider someone as holding bigoted beliefs despite how they treat the people they interact with if the phrasing gives you that feeling when using the test, it’s still bigoted.

I think you’ll find there’s really no phrasing that works.

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ObserverArt  Oct 24, 2015 • 10:53:46am

re: #18 Eclectic Cyborg

If someone doesn’t agree with the gay lifestyle, but they treat every gay person they meet with dignity and respect does that still make them a bigot?

Would that someone be dignified and respectful to the person if they didn’t agree with their lifestyle? Is there still a judgement being made and is that judgement those people they don’t agree with are somehow wrong or lesser.

I know a lot of people back when I was a kid that could turn the sugar on when they were speaking to a black person, but later those same people could be the biggest bigots around when out of sight/earshot of the same black person. Out in public they could just be the nicest people. Even some of the black folks thought so.

I base my observations having grown up in a mixed neighborhood in the early 60s.

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stpaulbear  Oct 24, 2015 • 10:54:06am

re: #30 Eclectic Cyborg

I see your point, but what would be the appropriate phrasing there for someone who has personal beliefs against homosexuality? Would it have been better to say “disagree with that orientation” or perhaps “disagree with that sexual identity”?

Both of those quotations reveal a problem with the person saying them, not the group that they think is distasteful. How can someone ‘disagree’ about my sexuality?

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HappyWarrior  Oct 24, 2015 • 10:54:34am

re: #31 Skip Intro

Who says the GOP is a bunch of do-nothing wankers?

GOP Lawmakers Want To Make Gun Silencers Cheaper, Easier To Buy

Certainly one of the most pressing issues of the day.

huffingtonpost.com

To mock the absolutists, the Constitution doesn’t say anything about silencers not being able to be regulated. //

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Oct 24, 2015 • 10:55:28am

re: #42 stpaulbear

Both of those quotations reveal a problem with the person saying them, not the group that they think is distateful. How can someone ‘disagree’ about my sexuality?

This. This is what I was trying to get at with my comparison.

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Nyet  Oct 24, 2015 • 10:56:45am

re: #35 Eclectic Cyborg

But if I understood correctly, you might have meant yourself (you wrote “that still make me them bigot”). In which case what I wrote doesn’t apply.

That’s a complicated question that you pose. I’m not sure if it’s bigotry not to positively like something, as long as you are also not “negative” about it and actually treat people with respect. I must think about that a bit.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 24, 2015 • 10:57:05am

re: #42 stpaulbear

Both of those quotations reveal a problem with the person saying them, not the group that they think is distateful. How can someone ‘disagree’ about my sexuality?

That’s what I mean when I say I have a problem with that phrasing. You are what you are. Your’e attracted to guys, I’m attracted to women. It’s not something we agree or disagree about. Now what we find we attractive in prospective mates is another story. You may like an adventurous type while I may like a homebody.

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A Mom Anon  Oct 24, 2015 • 10:57:47am

re: #33 Nyet

Someone being gay makes them feel icky (or it frightens them because it stirs up some latent things they’re unwilling to acknowledge). Period. If a person can be kind, generous, compassionate and respectful of gay people, in spite of prejudice and/or religious beliefs, that’s awesome. It doesn’t erase the prejudice, but it’s a step in the right direction. However, if it comes with condescension, or this “hate the sin, love the sinner” or “I’ll pray for you” horseshit, then yes, you’re a bigoted asshat who looks down their nose at someone you consider beneath you. True compassion and respect for others doesn’t have that baggage attached.

(also too, I just LOLd at Bob Cesca calling the idiots on fox and friends malignant couch tumors, bwahahahaha)

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Blind Frog Belly White  Oct 24, 2015 • 10:58:45am

re: #18 Eclectic Cyborg

If someone doesn’t agree with the gay lifestyle, but they treat every gay person they meet with dignity and respect does that still make them a bigot?

Not sure about bigot. It makes them a judgemental busybody. It’s saying “I believe I have the authority to hold an opinion on your sex life with consenting adults, and you must respect that opinion.”

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HappyWarrior  Oct 24, 2015 • 10:59:02am

re: #47 A Mom Anon

Someone being gay makes them feel icky (or it frightens them because it stirs up some latent things they’re unwilling to acknowledge). Period. If a person can be kind, generous, compassionate and respectful of gay people, in spite of prejudice and/or religious beliefs, that’s awesome. It doesn’t erase the prejudice, but it’s a step in the right direction. However, if it comes with condescension, or this “hate the sin, love the sinner” or “I’ll pray for you” horseshit, then yes, you’re a bigoted asshat who looks down their nose at someone you consider beneath you. True compassion and respect for others doesn’t have that baggage attached.

(also too, I just LOLd at Bob Cesca calling the idiots on fox and friends malignant couch tumors, bwahahahaha)

Have to agree with this as well.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 24, 2015 • 10:59:20am

re: #48 Blind Frog Belly White

Not sure about bigot. It makes them a judgemental busybody. It’s saying “I believe I have the authority to hold an opinion on your sex life with consenting adults, and you must respect that opinion.”

Also a good point.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 24, 2015 • 11:00:28am
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ObserverArt  Oct 24, 2015 • 11:03:26am

re: #48 Blind Frog Belly White

Not sure about bigot. It makes them a judgemental busybody. It’s saying “I believe I have the authority to hold an opinion on your sex life with consenting adults, and you must respect that opinion.”

No…I think they are still a bigot. Busybody is just a cover.

From Merrian Webster online

bigot
noun big*ot ˈbi-gət

: a person who strongly and unfairly dislikes other people, ideas, etc. : a bigoted person; especially : a person who hates or refuses to accept the members of a particular group (such as a racial or religious group)

Maybe we are not treating the word bigot in its proper use and are making the bar to be called a bigot a lot higher than it really is.

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Nyet  Oct 24, 2015 • 11:03:54am

re: #45 Nyet

I’d put it this way. If one feels “icky” about the whole gay thing but, for example, as a test, wouldn’t treat them differently as an employer - sincerely so, not because of the laws, as a friend, as a parent, as a legislator - then I wouldn’t describe them as a bigot. It’s a person with cultural baggage.

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sagehen  Oct 24, 2015 • 11:04:09am

re: #5 Eclectic Cyborg

You know Charles, before I heard your voice for the first time (which was before today), I always assumed it would be deeper. Not sure why.

(because he plays bass)

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Blind Frog Belly White  Oct 24, 2015 • 11:05:08am

It seems to me that ‘disagreeing with’, which presumably means disapproving of homosexuality is like disapproving of blue eyes.

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stpaulbear  Oct 24, 2015 • 11:05:14am

re: #46 HappyWarrior

That’s what I mean when I say I have a problem with that phrasing. You are what you are. Your’e attracted to guys, I’m attracted to women. It’s not something we agree or disagree about. Now what we find we attractive in prospective mates is another story. You may like an adventurous type while I may like a homebody.

I like homebodies too! We share that lifestyle trait. ;)

The ‘bear’ in my name says a lot about what I like, but I wouldn’t refer to my preferences as a lifestyle choice.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 24, 2015 • 11:05:36am
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HappyWarrior  Oct 24, 2015 • 11:05:45am

re: #55 Blind Frog Belly White

It seems to me that ‘disagreeing with’, which presumably means disapproving of homosexuality is like disapproving of blue eyes.

Do you disapprove of my dark hair and blue eyes because they’re genetic abnormalities?

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Blind Frog Belly White  Oct 24, 2015 • 11:06:35am

re: #58 HappyWarrior

Do you disapprove of my dark hair and blue eyes because they’re genetic abnormalities?

Abnormalities is a loaded word. Traits.

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Nyet  Oct 24, 2015 • 11:07:18am

Gingers tho…

///

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HappyWarrior  Oct 24, 2015 • 11:07:42am

re: #56 stpaulbear

I like homebodies too! We share that lifestyle trait. ;)

The ‘bear’ in my name says a lot about what I like, but I wouldn’t refer to my preferences as a lifestyle choice.

That was just an example heh. But yeah lifestyle choice is more about where we live, what we do for our living, etc. Sexuality nah. This gets me thinking though about a funny conversation I had with a gay friend once and yes we were both a little drunk but women’s breasts came up. And he’s like ya know, I like them but they don’t do anything for me and I just had to laugh.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 24, 2015 • 11:08:38am

re: #59 Blind Frog Belly White

Abnormalities is a loaded word. Traits.

I know. I was joking. I actually love it though. Why should the blondes and gingers get all the blue eyes?

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TedStriker  Oct 24, 2015 • 11:08:44am

re: #57 Backwoods_Sleuth

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I’ll believe that when I see it released.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 24, 2015 • 11:09:01am

re: #60 Nyet

Gingers tho…

///

I’m happy ot say that I am not nor have I ever been a ginger.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Oct 24, 2015 • 11:09:39am

re: #62 HappyWarrior

I know. I was joking. I actually love it though. Why should the blondes and gingers get all the blue eyes?

To make women with black hair, blue eyes, and alabaster skin more compelling.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 24, 2015 • 11:10:35am

re: #65 Blind Frog Belly White

To make women with black hair, blue eyes, and alabaster skin more compelling.

Steve Earle had a song about that.

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sagehen  Oct 24, 2015 • 11:11:10am

re: #30 Eclectic Cyborg

I see your point, but what would be the appropriate phrasing there for someone who has personal beliefs against homosexuality? Would it have been better to say “disagree with that orientation” or perhaps “disagree with that sexual identity”?

They disagree just as strongly (if not more so) with my religion and all its teachings. Every time they go to services, they’re told that I’m going to burn in hell for not adhering to *their* lifestyle. Do they think I shouldn’t have equal rights? Fuck ‘em, they’re bigots.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Oct 24, 2015 • 11:11:54am

re: #66 HappyWarrior

Steve Earle had a song about that.

First thing that popped into my head was ‘Red neck, white socks, and Blue Ribbon beer.”

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ObserverArt  Oct 24, 2015 • 11:12:12am

re: #64 HappyWarrior

I’m happy ot say that I am not nor have I ever been a ginger.

What a bigoted statement!!!

/// I have two red-headed brothers. If you were a redhead you would understand. Talk about preconceived thinking.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 24, 2015 • 11:13:14am

Genetics are something though. I’m sure many of you know about how Facebook attempts to recognize people when you upload photos. Anyhow, I got my hands on some rare family photos of my great grandfather. The algorithm thought he was my uncle. And for obvious reasons the further you go back, the harder it is to find a resemblance between say a great great grandparent and yourself since so much more genetics have passed.

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wrenchwench  Oct 24, 2015 • 11:13:58am
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HappyWarrior  Oct 24, 2015 • 11:14:00am

re: #69 ObserverArt

What a bigoted statement!!!

/// I have two red-headed brothers. If you were a redhead you would understand. Talk about preconceived thinking.

I was tottally joking. But the downside of being a ginger is getting sunburned easily and I already do as is. I like the sun. Teh sun is good.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 24, 2015 • 11:15:11am

re: #68 Blind Frog Belly White

First thing that popped into my head was ‘Red neck, white socks, and Blue Ribbon beer.”

Galway Girl. Tell me what would ya do if her hair was black and her eyes were blue. My folks out by way of Connemara are what ehy call the Black IRish.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Oct 24, 2015 • 11:16:09am

re: #45 Nyet

But if I understood correctly, you might have meant yourself (you wrote “that still make me them bigot”). In which case what I wrote doesn’t apply.

That’s a complicated question that you pose. I’m not sure if it’s bigotry not to positively like something, as long as you are also not “negative” about it and actually treat people with respect. I must think about that a bit.

I didn’t mean myself but when I first wrote it I wrote it using the personal pronoun. Then I realized that, since I wasn’t talking about me and only posing a hypothetical, I should change the pronouns to avoid any confusion.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Oct 24, 2015 • 11:17:12am

re: #67 sagehen

They disagree just as strongly (if not more so) with my religion and all its teachings. Every time they go to services, they’re told that I’m going to burn in hell for not adhering to *their* lifestyle. Do they think I shouldn’t have equal rights? Fuck ‘em, they’re bigots.

I think they see being gay on the same level as being an alcoholic or being a drug addict, i.e. someone with a problem who needs help.

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ObserverArt  Oct 24, 2015 • 11:18:56am

re: #72 HappyWarrior

I was tottally joking. But the downside of being a ginger is getting sunburned easily and I already do as is. I like the sun. Teh sun is good.

I know you were joking. So was I!

There really are some fairly big downsides to being a red head. A lot of them are the way you can be treated, especially for some males. When people expect you to be a personality type based on your hair color and you are not, it can be very emotionally hurtful. Again…my experience with two brothers.

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allegro  Oct 24, 2015 • 11:19:51am

re: #69 ObserverArt

What a bigoted statement!!!

/// I have two red-headed brothers. If you were a redhead you would understand. Talk about preconceived thinking.

As a redheaded kid, whenever I would complain about it, my parents (blonde dad, very dark brunette mom) would immediately bring up the stunning Maureen O’Hara to show me how lucky I was to look like her. RIP Ms O’Hara.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 24, 2015 • 11:21:12am

re: #76 ObserverArt

I know you were joking. So was I!

There really are some fairly big downsides to being a red head. A lot of them are they way you can be treated, especially for some males. When people expect you to be personality type based on your hair color and you are not, it can be very emotionally hurtful. Again…my experience with two brothers.

Yeah it’s funny how something like hair color can be linked with personality.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 24, 2015 • 11:22:45am

re: #75 Eclectic Cyborg

I think they see being gay on the same level as being an alcoholic or being a drug addict, i.e. someone with a problem who needs help.

Which definitely is condescending. Definitely not I think in the same as “I’ll refuse to treat you like an equal in society because you’re gay” but I think to use my own experience as someone on the autistic spectrum, the overtly patronizing attitudes I get or the expectations I’m some kind of mad genius. The latter though goes more to the assumption that gay mae= must be effeminate and he just needs to play sports.

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wrenchwench  Oct 24, 2015 • 11:23:05am

re: #76 ObserverArt

I know you were joking. So was I!

There really are some fairly big downsides to being a red head. A lot of them are they way you can be treated, especially for some males. When people expect you to be personality type based on your hair color and you are not, it can be very emotionally hurtful. Again…my experience with two brothers.

Out of 30-some cousins, one has red hair. When we were kids, I saw him use humor as a survival tactic, making funny remarks about and straight to adults who were less than polite to him. I thought he’d end up as a professional comedian, but he seems to be happy with his photography studio.

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Eventual Carrion  Oct 24, 2015 • 11:23:46am

re: #34 Eclectic Cyborg

Sure, let’s make it HARDER to tell there’s an active shooter around. Fuckers.

Yeah, the kids in the next classroom were getting early warning that shit was going down. This can put a stop to that.

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sagehen  Oct 24, 2015 • 11:24:47am

re: #75 Eclectic Cyborg

I think they see being gay on the same level as being an alcoholic or being a drug addict, i.e. someone with a problem who needs help.

They see being Jewish that way too. Or Atheist, or Muslim, or Hindu or Buddhist. That’s why they knock on my door and try to talk to me about it, that’s why they stand on street corners or in the middle of the subway shouting about the superiority of their way of life and that all of us should emulate them. Again, I say fuck ‘em. That’s why Charles Krauthammer had the nerve to tell the Fox audience that Tiger Woods’ cheating issues was all because he didn’t have Jesus in his life.

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A Mom Anon  Oct 24, 2015 • 11:25:05am

re: #75 Eclectic Cyborg

I think that may be it for some people, but for others it’s on par with child molesters and rapists, even drug addicts, people they feel need to be eliminated, by whatever means necessary from society. They have this ideal society which is very 1950s white American TV show and any deviation from that is an abomination. Look at the hate and fear evangelical wingnuts have exported to parts of Africa, where anyone in the LGBT community is basically on a hit list. A seething hatred that requires revenge. In some parts of Africa, gang rape is the prescribed punishment for lesbians. That’s hate, nothing else. Back here at home they can’t really get away with that, to that degree, so it manifests in other ways. I think there are some people who want to understand, but it’s very far removed from their experiences and perhaps they are bigoted without the hate, but more of basic ignorance, which is based in fear. Because our culture has been immature and stupid about this since forever.

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wrenchwench  Oct 24, 2015 • 11:26:21am

re: #77 allegro

As a redheaded kid, whenever I would complain about it, my parents (blonde dad, very dark brunette mom) would immediately bring up the stunning Maureen O’Hara to show me how lucky I was to look like her. RIP Ms O’Hara.

When I hated my saddle shoes that fit me better than my other shoes, my mom showed me a newspaper photo of Caroline Kennedy wearing them on her schoolhouse steps. I remained unimpressed.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 24, 2015 • 11:26:27am

We have some redheads in my family too. I think they’re more from other influences but I don’t know. My joke about ginger aside, my mom tells me sometimes she can see auburn in my hair and she noticed it in my niece too. I do sometimes joke when I do something ditzy that it’s a former blonde moment- I was more dirty blonde as a kid and now I’m by far teh most dark haired of the immediate family which is definitely my mom’s side since I think most of them were eitehr dark brown hair or light brown haired. HArd to say without many or in some cases no photos of people from the older generations.

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Nyet  Oct 24, 2015 • 11:27:03am

Red-heads were historically persecuted, and it’s not a joke. In some crazier conspiracy theories (e.g. by Klimov) they are lumped together with Jews and gays.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 24, 2015 • 11:28:24am

re: #86 Nyet

Red-heads were historically persecuted, and it’s not a joke. In some crazier conspiracy theories (e.g. by Klimov) they are lumped together with Jews and gays.

Knew about the anti semitism but not the homophobia. The fuck. Anyhow, that’s reason alone not to be a dick about it. i mean nothing wrong with a litlte joke but outright being a jerk to someone over hair color stupid.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 24, 2015 • 11:28:48am

re: #73 HappyWarrior

Galway Girl. Tell me what would ya do if her hair was black and her eyes were blue. My folks out by way of Connemara are what ehy call the Black IRish.

This was dded lol?

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sagehen  Oct 24, 2015 • 11:28:57am

re: #80 wrenchwench

Out of 30-some cousins, one has red hair. When we were kids, I saw him use humor as a survival tactic, making funny remarks about and straight to adults who were less than polite to him. I thought he’d end up as a professional comedian, but he seems to be happy with his photography studio.

Nobody in my family was ever born a redhead, but my hairdresser turned me into one in my early 20’s. It was a good choice, went very well with my green eyes and skin that tanned up cafe au lait…

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ObserverArt  Oct 24, 2015 • 11:30:12am

re: #80 wrenchwench

Out of 30-some cousins, one has red hair. When we were kids, I saw him use humor as a survival tactic, making funny remarks about and straight to adults who were less than polite to him. I thought he’d end up as a professional comedian, but he seems to be happy with his photography studio.

And all of that was probably a protection mechanism and giving them all a bit of what they expected out of a redhead.

I bet you he can speak to exactly the same feeling my brothers got…one especially. He was the bright orange redhead, small of stature. very light-skinned and freckled. He is nothing like “Dennis the Menace,” but that is how he was treated. He was the trouble-maker, goof off and starter of all misdeeds…even if he wasn’t.

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Nyet  Oct 24, 2015 • 11:32:19am

re: #87 HappyWarrior

Think “witches”.

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wrenchwench  Oct 24, 2015 • 11:32:40am

re: #89 sagehen

Nobody in my family was ever born a redhead, but my hairdresser turned me into one in my early 20’s. It was a good choice, went very well with my green eyes and skin that tanned up cafe au lait…

Some hairdressers really know what they’re doing. My hair is growing out nicely after the fix-it cut I got to even things out. I haven’t needed a trim and I get compliments on my gray array.

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Nyet  Oct 24, 2015 • 11:34:17am
“Each man disparageth his fellow-creature,” says Walker, “and gratifies his haughty humour in the derision of his brother. And this is often done upon such trivial grounds, that a due perpension would cause an abashment in the face of the practiser. My present instance shall be in a common yet causeless calumniation: viz. the vilifying of red-hair’d men, the putting of disesteem upon persons, merely because of the native colour of the excrement of the head.”

On reading further, I was intrigued to learn that throughout history redheads have often been singled out for persecution. During the height of the witch trials in Europe, for example, red hair was considered evidence of witchcraft. Judas Iscariot was often depicted with red hair in Renaissance art and the Spanish Inquisition even suspected that redheads had been marked by the fires of Hell itself!

scolarcardiff.wordpress.com

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HappyWarrior  Oct 24, 2015 • 11:36:19am

re: #91 Nyet

Think “witches”.

Drawing a blank sorry.

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Nyet  Oct 24, 2015 • 11:39:30am

re: #94 HappyWarrior

See #93.

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ObserverArt  Oct 24, 2015 • 11:40:18am

re: #93 Nyet

scolarcardiff.wordpress.com

You know…humans are a damn problem. Bottom line. If there is an “original sin” it is this. If there is any real true spirituality, it is getting past the fact you are a human and need to rise above all those stupid human traits and get in tune with nature, animals, the stars…the good stuff.

And with that, I am going to go do something constructive for the afternoon…see you alls later!

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HappyWarrior  Oct 24, 2015 • 11:41:05am

re: #95 Nyet

See #93.

Yes, I see now. So basically the homophobia was a result of the antisemitism?

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stpaulbear  Oct 24, 2015 • 11:43:30am

re: #75 Eclectic Cyborg

I think they see being gay on the same level as being an alcoholic or being a drug addict, i.e. someone with a problem who needs help.

It’s not at all the same. A gay person doesn’t ‘need help’ to cure their ‘condition’. It’s who they are and IT IS OK. We don’t need to go through conversion therapy in order to make us more acceptable. Rick Perry made this argument when he ran for president and he was derided widely.

Along with being gay, I’m 31 years into sobriety (I drank a lifetime supply before then) and I really resent the comparison of the two. They do not compare.

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Nyet  Oct 24, 2015 • 11:43:41am

re: #97 HappyWarrior

Wait wait, it’s about red hair & witches :D

Homophobia comes from a different angle: Jews were accused of propagandizing and engaging in “sexual perversions”. It’s a matter of two hate streams converging rather than one birthing the other.

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A Mom Anon  Oct 24, 2015 • 11:45:23am

The Kid had a great first day on the job. His new schedule for the week is around 25 hours with the possibility of more with one on call day (for four hours, if someone calls in sick they’ll call him). So glad for this kid, he has earned a break. I just hope no one bullies him or gives him shit and ruins the experience. I told him if after 6 months there was no raise in pay or increase in hours, he needs to look elsewhere. He also has a choice to join a union here, so I’m going to look into that, there’s lots of perks like discounts on cell phone plans and other things.

Now if we weren’t about to go under financially I could exhale. Sigh. And with that, I gotta go be productive in some form. BBL.

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Eventual Carrion  Oct 24, 2015 • 11:46:13am

re: #66 HappyWarrior

Steve Earle had a song about that.

A 2 pack habit and a motel tan

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wrenchwench  Oct 24, 2015 • 11:47:17am

re: #98 stpaulbear

Congrats on the 31 years. Good work.

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sagehen  Oct 24, 2015 • 11:47:50am

re: #93 Nyet

scolarcardiff.wordpress.com

King David was a redhead. He was not a nice man.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 24, 2015 • 11:52:04am

re: #99 Nyet

Wait wait, it’s about red hair & witches :D

Homophobia comes from a different angle: Jews were accused of propagandizing and engaging in “sexual perversions”. It’s a matter of two hate streams converging rather than one birthing the other.

Oooh yeah. Sorry brainfarts all around.

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Charles Johnson  Oct 24, 2015 • 11:52:16am
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thedopefishlives  Oct 24, 2015 • 11:52:36am

re: #105 Charles Johnson

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Somebody hired a botnet. Congratulations, you’ve made the big time.

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stpaulbear  Oct 24, 2015 • 11:54:12am

re: #102 wrenchwench

Congrats on the 31 years. Good work.

Thanks. It took a couple tries, but when it finally happened, it happened in a flash. I can still remember which stoplight I was at when I realized this was it. November 8 is my 31st anniversary.

Quitting Diet Coke was harder.

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Nyet  Oct 24, 2015 • 11:55:10am

re: #107 stpaulbear

How did you start with Diet Coke?/

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thedopefishlives  Oct 24, 2015 • 11:55:35am

re: #108 Nyet

How did you start with Diet Coke?/

Well, he started with diet marijuana. It’s a gateway drug, you know.

///

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HappyWarrior  Oct 24, 2015 • 11:57:58am

re: #100 A Mom Anon

The Kid had a great first day on the job. His new schedule for the week is around 25 hours with the possibility of more with one on call day (for four hours, if someone calls in sick they’ll call him). So glad for this kid, he has earned a break. I just hope no one bullies him or gives him shit and ruins the experience. I told him if after 6 months there was no raise in pay or increase in hours, he needs to look elsewhere. He also has a choice to join a union here, so I’m going to look into that, there’s lots of perks like discounts on cell phone plans and other things.

Now if we weren’t about to go under financially I could exhale. Sigh. And with that, I gotta go be productive in some form. BBL.

Very exciting. Happy for him. I know it’s tough ebing on the spectrum and finding work. My temp job is about to end at the end of next month. Already with the help of my counselor found a lead. I’m gonna be sad to see this palce go though. I’ve made a lot of friends there.

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Nyet  Oct 24, 2015 • 11:58:44am

re: #109 thedopefishlives

Well, he started with diet marijuana. It’s a gateway drug, you know.

///

Diet weed doesn’t give you munchies?/

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HappyWarrior  Oct 24, 2015 • 11:58:49am

re: #107 stpaulbear

Thanks. It took a couple tries, but when it finally happened, it happened in a flash. I can still remember which stoplight I was at when I realized this was it. November 8 is my 31st anniversary.

Quitting Diet Coke was harder.

Congrats again. It’s a tough habit to break I know. 31 years is an impressiev feat.

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PhillyPretzel  Oct 24, 2015 • 11:59:41am

re: #111 Nyet

You only want to eat one potato chip instead of a bag of them. //

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thedopefishlives  Oct 24, 2015 • 11:59:56am

re: #113 PhillyPretzel

You only want to eat one potato chip instead of a bag of them. //

But they say on the bag, you can’t only eat just one.

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stpaulbear  Oct 24, 2015 • 11:59:57am

re: #109 thedopefishlives

Well, he started with diet marijuana. It’s a gateway drug, you know.

///

Marijuana led to wanting to constantly upgrade my stereo system.

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EmmaAnne  Oct 24, 2015 • 12:00:11pm

re: #78 HappyWarrior

Yeah it’s funny how something like hair color can be linked with personality.

I think this actually is racism, or comes from racism. Redheads were assumed to be Irish, and you know what they’re like. I think that is why gingers are more side-eyed in England than in the U.S. too. Here it is mostly a joke, but I detect some edge to it in England.

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PhillyPretzel  Oct 24, 2015 • 12:00:50pm

re: #114 thedopefishlives

They hope you have no control. /half

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HappyWarrior  Oct 24, 2015 • 12:01:26pm

re: #116 EmmaAnne

I think this actually is racism, or comes from racism. Redheads were assumed to be Irish, and you know what they’re like. I think that is why gingers are more side-eyed in England than in the U.S. too. Here it is mostly a joke, but I detect some edge to it in England.

True that. I don’t know what you mean by side eyes though.

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wrenchwench  Oct 24, 2015 • 12:01:56pm

NOW it’s afternoon.

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thedopefishlives  Oct 24, 2015 • 12:01:58pm

re: #118 HappyWarrior

True that. I don’t know what you mean by side eyes though.

Meaning English folk are more likely to distrust the redheads than Americans are.

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wrenchwench  Oct 24, 2015 • 12:04:13pm

re: #118 HappyWarrior

True that. I don’t know what you mean by side eyes though.

Side eyes:

For all humans.

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Nyet  Oct 24, 2015 • 12:05:07pm

re: #119 wrenchwench

How did you get a video of me?!/

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Charles Johnson  Oct 24, 2015 • 12:11:17pm
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thedopefishlives  Oct 24, 2015 • 12:11:53pm

re: #123 Charles Johnson

Give the boy a trophy, and all of a sudden, he’s rubbing it in your face how he’s won more awards than you.

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Charles Johnson  Oct 24, 2015 • 12:12:27pm
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Eclectic Cyborg  Oct 24, 2015 • 12:12:43pm

re: #98 stpaulbear

It’s not at all the same. A gay person doesn’t ‘need help’ to cure their ‘condition’. It’s who they are and IT IS OK. We don’t need to go through conversion therapy in order to make us more acceptable. Rick Perry made this argument when he ran for president and he was derided widely.

Along with being gay, I’m 31 years into sobriety (I drank a lifetime supply before then) and I really resent the comparison of the two. They do not compare.

Props to you for that amazing sober streak. Really, like freaking awesome job man, that’s great. I do tend to agree with you about the comparison (or lack thereof).

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Eclectic Cyborg  Oct 24, 2015 • 12:14:29pm

re: #123 Charles Johnson

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I had two paper routes! Now, where my damned Pulitzer??

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Eventual Carrion  Oct 24, 2015 • 12:17:19pm

re: #127 Eclectic Cyborg

I had two paper routes! Now, where my damned Pulitzer??

I bailed hay, tended gardens and fields, cared for animals. Where’s my farm subsidy?

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goddamnedfrank  Oct 24, 2015 • 12:18:37pm

re: #123 Charles Johnson

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Dozens of publications? His own website, plus his other website if we’re being generous, the WSJ, Daily Caller, Breitbart, TakiMag … okay that’s six. Only eighteen more to go before “dozens” isn’t a huge lie. Are there eighteen more publications his byline appears on?

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Nyet  Oct 24, 2015 • 12:20:06pm

re: #123 Charles Johnson

The body of his message looks like the classic joke that ends with “But you fuck a sheep once…”.//

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thedopefishlives  Oct 24, 2015 • 12:20:43pm

re: #130 Nyet

The body of his message looks like the classic joke that ends with “But you fuck a sheep once…”.//

Chuck C. Johnson, the Rage Furby, Fucker of Sheep.

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Nyet  Oct 24, 2015 • 12:21:15pm

re: #131 thedopefishlives

Chuck C. Johnson, the Rage Furby, Fucker of Sheep.

Shitter of Floors.

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Joe Bacon  Oct 24, 2015 • 12:22:57pm

re: #123 Charles Johnson

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I had two paper routes for six years. Only thing I got out of them was a sour view of people who refused to pay me…

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jaunte  Oct 24, 2015 • 12:24:05pm

re: #132 Nyet

The Pooperboy.

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Camacho DeezNuts 2016  Oct 24, 2015 • 12:25:15pm

Les Pooperables

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Nyet  Oct 24, 2015 • 12:27:32pm

Shitter On The Floor.

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Shiplord Kirel  Oct 24, 2015 • 12:28:22pm

More details on the Oklahoma State parade crash:
3 Dead, 22 Injured at Oklahoma State Homecoming in Stillwater After Car Plows Into Crowd

A woman police said was driving drunk crashed into the Oklahoma State Homecoming parade Saturday morning, killing three bystanders, critically injuring eight more and leaving more than a dozen others with lesser injuries.

The driver, Adacia Chambers, 25, was arrested and jailed on suspicion of driving under the influence, Stillwater Police Capt. Kyle Gibbs said. Police didn’t immediately release any details about the three killed in the crash, which happened around 10:30 a.m. ET. University officials said the homecoming game would still be played.

The pictures are horrific.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Oct 24, 2015 • 12:30:47pm

re: #51 Backwoods_Sleuth

Must be a Muslim Jihadist Obama Son! MJOS*

/

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BeenHereAwhile  Oct 24, 2015 • 12:32:05pm

re: #4 CuriousLurker

I don’t usually read Alternet, but someone tweeted this earlier and I found it interesting: Why Hillary Makes Right-Wingers So Crazy

Black men were given (in theory) the constitutional right to vote (14 Amendment) before white women (19th Amendment).

The list and dates of last 10 States to ratify the 19th Amendment:

39 Delaware Mar 6, 1923
40 Maryland Mar 29, 1941
41 Virginia Feb 21, 1952
42 Alabama Sep 8, 1953
43 Florida May 13, 1969
44 South Carolina Jul 1, 1969
45 Georgia Feb 20, 1970
46 Louisiana Jun 11, 1970
47 North Carolina May 6, 1971
48 Mississippi Mar 22, 1984

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TedStriker  Oct 24, 2015 • 12:37:57pm

re: #75 Eclectic Cyborg

I think they see being gay on the same level as being an alcoholic or being a drug addict, i.e. someone with a problem who needs help.

Hence, the “conversion therapy” fucks.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 24, 2015 • 12:39:02pm

re: #120 thedopefishlives

Meaning English folk are more likely to distrust the redheads than Americans are.

Oh never heard that idiom before.

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Eventual Carrion  Oct 24, 2015 • 12:40:53pm

re: #141 HappyWarrior

Oh never heard that idiom before.

Don’t trust them so you watch them out of the corner of your eye at all times, side-eyed.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 24, 2015 • 12:44:12pm

re: #142 Eventual Carrion

Don’t trust them so you watch them out of the corner of your eye at all times, side-eyed.

Aha, yeah I get it now. Just had never heard that before.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 24, 2015 • 12:46:36pm

re: #143 HappyWarrior

Aha, yeah I get it now. Just had never heard that before.

:D

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Camacho DeezNuts 2016  Oct 24, 2015 • 12:48:01pm

The Most Interesting Journalist in the World.

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wrenchwench  Oct 24, 2015 • 12:48:39pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 24, 2015 • 12:58:33pm

I could try this…or not.
:D

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Oct 24, 2015 • 12:59:33pm

Per the hair discussion earlier, I am debating a trim.

It is down to my butt when it is fully loose, which is rare these days, because it gets in the way of everything.

On the other hand, I love having long hair, because it is different. And you can do fun things with it.

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WhatEVs  Oct 24, 2015 • 1:01:20pm

re: #133 Joe Bacon

I had two paper routes for six years. Only thing I got out of them was a sour view of people who refused to pay me…

“I want my two dollars!”

I want my two dollars!

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Eric The Fruit Bat  Oct 24, 2015 • 1:01:45pm

Now will the NAF issue a subpoena against the Rage Furby?

BTW, he’s also threatening a Bengazhi bombshell-isn’t there still and FBI investigation going on with her mail server?

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Oct 24, 2015 • 1:02:16pm

re: #148 klys (maker of Silmarils)

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thedopefishlives  Oct 24, 2015 • 1:03:29pm

re: #151 klys (maker of Silmarils)

Myself, I love long hair on women. But for me, “long” is anything longer than shoulders. You’ve got a lot to work with if you want to trim.

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wrenchwench  Oct 24, 2015 • 1:03:41pm

This might limit the brain damage jokes:

The brain damage jokes don’t bother me. Sense of humor is vital to survival.

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Nyet  Oct 24, 2015 • 1:04:16pm

re: #148 klys (maker of Silmarils)

Long hair is great.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Oct 24, 2015 • 1:04:59pm

re: #152 thedopefishlives

Myself, I love long hair on women. But for me, “long” is anything longer than shoulders. You’ve got a lot to work with if you want to trim.

That’s how women’s magazines tend to define long too, these days.

I tend to dislike anything much shorter than the end of my shoulder blades. Maybe that will change in the future, but… I also like long hair on mr. klys (in his case, slightly longer than shoulder length, although it curls) and we have a deal that if I cut mine short he can too and I really don’t want that.

If I do trim it, probably 7” or so is the max.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Oct 24, 2015 • 1:06:30pm

I have a fantastically androgynous photo of me in fifth grade, with my hair as a bowl cut around my ears. I got mistaken for a boy that summer.

While wearing a swimsuit.

That’s the point where I started growing it out. The shortest it’s been since then is shoulder length.

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thedopefishlives  Oct 24, 2015 • 1:07:23pm

re: #155 klys (maker of Silmarils)

That’s how women’s magazines tend to define long too, these days.

I tend to dislike anything much shorter than the end of my shoulder blades. Maybe that will change in the future, but… I also like long hair on mr. klys (in his case, slightly longer than shoulder length, although it curls) and we have a deal that if I cut mine short he can too and I really don’t want that.

If I do trim it, probably 7” or so is the max.

My hair is almost perfectly straight and does not grow terribly quickly. Mrs. Fish’s hair is the tight, springy curls, so while it’s actually really long when she straightens it, it doesn’t look it most of the time when she lets it go natural.

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Nyet  Oct 24, 2015 • 1:07:41pm

I hate that the + and - buttons are so close to each other.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Oct 24, 2015 • 1:08:51pm

re: #158 Nyet

I hate that the + and - buttons are so close to each other.

I was like WHY DOES THIS STORY OFFEND YOU but then I saw what happened.

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thedopefishlives  Oct 24, 2015 • 1:09:13pm

re: #158 Nyet

I hate that the + and - buttons are so close to each other.

Pretty sure every one of us has fat-fingered those buttons at least once.

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Shiplord Kirel  Oct 24, 2015 • 1:09:36pm

Insane bigot meltdown at Free Republic over Oklahoma State crash:
Two Dead After Car Runs Into A Crowd At Oklahoma State’s Homecoming Parade

This is the very first response:

My first thought is sudden Jihad syndrome. OSU and KU have to play a game after all this. Stillwater is a close community and this kind of thing affects everyone.

Suspicious geography:

I graduated from OSU. I think the Muslim center is just north of HOF on Washington. Twitter reports say it’s a 20 something female.

Freeper X-purt is even more succinct:

Allah. (complete message)

This one was posted well after the arrested driver had been identified and her Facebook page posted:

This is a signature muslim jihad method.
There are a number of instances already here in the US.

There have been a number of these signature muslim attacks in Israel the last few weeks.

Friday prayers a few hours ago called for these attacks worldwide - that includes the US.

But you already know all this don’t you? (emphasis in post)

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thedopefishlives  Oct 24, 2015 • 1:10:23pm

re: #161 Shiplord Kirel

It was a goddamn drunk driver, folks. Nothing to see here, move along. Fuck.

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Nyet  Oct 24, 2015 • 1:10:29pm

re: #161 Shiplord Kirel

“My first thought is sudden Jihad syndrome”

Get help soon.

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wrenchwench  Oct 24, 2015 • 1:13:31pm
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WhatEVs  Oct 24, 2015 • 1:14:37pm

re: #155 klys (maker of Silmarils)

That’s how women’s magazines tend to define long too, these days.

I tend to dislike anything much shorter than the end of my shoulder blades. Maybe that will change in the future, but… I also like long hair on mr. klys (in his case, slightly longer than shoulder length, although it curls) and we have a deal that if I cut mine short he can too and I really don’t want that.

If I do trim it, probably 7” or so is the max.

I love long hair. Always had it my entire life. I can’t style my hair worth a shit but give me a pencil (or a hair stick, of which I have many) and I can make the most amazing styles with a variety of cool shaped buns and sticks).

My hair was down past my waist. I have waaaaay too much hair (very fine but a ton of it). When it gets too long I get headaches. About 2 months ago I got a massive headache (I thought I had an aneurysm. I went to the doctor. I didn’t.) Anyway, that night, I bent over and took of 6”. The next day I went to a salon and had them take off another 6”. A couple of months ago, I had it cut up above my shoulders.

I will never do that again. I hate it. I can’t keep it off of my face and I cannot style it. I need to repeatedly remind myself I can barely wield a blow dryer let alone a curling iron (I have stick straight hair).

I am going to let it grow to just below my shoulder blades and thin it with a high-end thinning shears.

You can easily go to waist length and still have what is considered very long hair.

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Belafon  Oct 24, 2015 • 1:15:13pm

re: #161 Shiplord Kirel

I wonder if the blame Muslims when their milk goes sour.

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Nyet  Oct 24, 2015 • 1:16:01pm

re: #166 Belafon

I wonder if the blame Muslims when their milk goes sour.

Nah, Jews are in charge of milk.

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wrenchwench  Oct 24, 2015 • 1:16:15pm
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jaunte  Oct 24, 2015 • 1:17:17pm

re: #168 wrenchwench

They’re altering the fabrics of our southern civilization!

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Oct 24, 2015 • 1:17:48pm

re: #168 wrenchwench

Cannot. Stop. Laughing.

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allegro  Oct 24, 2015 • 1:17:50pm

re: #165 WhatEVs

I love long hair. Always had it my entire life. I can’t style my hair worth a shit but give me a pencil (or a hair stick, of which I have many) and I can make the most amazing styles with a variety of cool shaped buns and sticks).

My hair was down past my waist. I have waaaaay too much hair (very fine but a ton of it). When it gets too long I get headaches. About 2 months ago I got a massive headache (I thought I had an aneurysm. I went to the doctor. I didn’t.) Anyway, that night, I bent over and took of 6”. The next day I went to a salon and had them take off another 6”. A couple of months ago, I had it cut up above my shoulders.

I will never do that again. I hate it. I can’t keep it off of my face and I cannot style it. I need to repeatedly remind myself I can barely wield a blow dryer let alone a curling iron (I have stick straight hair).

I am going to let it grow to just below my shoulder blades and thin it with a high-end thinning shears.

You can easily go to waist length and still have what is considered very long hair.

If you’ve never thinned your hair before… think twice. Those short hairs grow out again and you will probably not be happy with the results.

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WhatEVs  Oct 24, 2015 • 1:18:14pm

re: #158 Nyet

re: #160 thedopefishlives

Pretty sure every one of us has fat-fingered those buttons at least once.

On mobile it’s terrible. I spend as much time touching buttons to fix almost constant down dings. I am so afraid someone will see that I downdinged them before I can fix it and think I’m a real bitch.

I sent this in a private message to Charles last night. I will point it out again when he’s around.

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Pawn of the Oppressor  Oct 24, 2015 • 1:19:21pm

re: #161 Shiplord Kirel

DRIVER WAS A REGISTERED DEMOCRAT
ALSO A MEXICAN ANCHOR BABY
AND BLACK
AND MUSLIM TOO
ATHEIST
SHE TURNED ME INTO A NEWT

- Right wing nooz headlines for the next twelve hours

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Oct 24, 2015 • 1:20:08pm

re: #165 WhatEVs

Stick straight here too, unless it’s braided for > 12 hours.

Honestly, it takes me at most 5 minutes to do something with it. My MiL has short hair, and easily spends 20+ minutes doing hers.

I have asked mr. klys to just shoot me if I ever get to that point.

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Nyet  Oct 24, 2015 • 1:20:26pm

re: #172 WhatEVs

If the minus button could be moved to the left of the karma number, that would be great.

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WhatEVs  Oct 24, 2015 • 1:22:11pm

re: #171 allegro

If you’ve never thinned your hair before… think twice. Those short hairs grow out again and you will probably not be happy with the results.

I thin it all the time. I hadn’t in some time.

I used to show dogs so I have a pair of very high quality, $75, extremely fine tooth thinning shears. I usually start thinning about 5” from my scalp so I don’t have individual hairs standing up. This time wasn’t the first headache I have gotten from my hair. It was definitely the worst.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Oct 24, 2015 • 1:24:10pm
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WhatEVs  Oct 24, 2015 • 1:26:01pm

re: #174 klys (maker of Silmarils)

Stick straight here too, unless it’s braided for > 12 hours.

Honestly, it takes me at most 5 minutes to do something with it. My MiL has short hair, and easily spends 20+ minutes doing hers.

I have asked mr. klys to just shoot me if I ever get to that point.

No shit. I am so low maintenance (for a girly girl) it’s sick. I spend 10 minutes on makeup when I am going out for the evening; three minutes to put some blush on other times. I almost never wear mascara because I don’t like how it feels, ditto base. It is gross. (I am blessed with good skin and all that stuff so I don’t need much makeup.) I cannot imagine spending time doing that stuff every day. It would make me nuts.

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allegro  Oct 24, 2015 • 1:26:03pm

re: #176 WhatEVs

I thin it all the time. I hadn’t in some time.

I used to show dogs so I have a pair of very high quality, $75, extremely fine tooth thinning shears. I usually start thinning about 5” from my scalp so I don’t have individual hairs standing up. This time wasn’t the first headache I have gotten from my hair. It was definitely the worst.

Ah, I see. My mom made the mistake of letting a hairdresser thin my very thick, curly hair as a kid which she thinned near the root. In a very short time the look was… comical. I can’t even hear of the concept now without shuddering.

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darthstar  Oct 24, 2015 • 1:28:11pm

Bolivian Kick Boxer Meets US Marine

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wrenchwench  Oct 24, 2015 • 1:32:46pm
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GlutenFreeJesus  Oct 24, 2015 • 1:33:41pm

Wow. Just caught this on Antiques Roadahow. A 1944 Martin D-28 Herringbone guitar. $35-45,000.

Drool.

pbs.org

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allegro  Oct 24, 2015 • 1:33:47pm

re: #180 darthstar

[Embedded content]

Video

The Bolivian: Trump
The Marine: Hillary

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Nyet  Oct 24, 2015 • 1:34:24pm

re: #181 wrenchwench

SassyCats

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WhatEVs  Oct 24, 2015 • 1:34:53pm

re: #175 Nyet

If the minus button could be moved to the left of the karma number, that would be great.

I was thinking about it and I thinkre: #175 Nyet

If the minus button could be moved to the left of the karma number, that would be great.

I think this would be better…where they don’t float based on karma number:

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Oct 24, 2015 • 1:35:58pm

re: #185 WhatEVs

Nah, I think they’re still right next to each other then.

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WhatEVs  Oct 24, 2015 • 1:36:57pm

re: #179 allegro

Ah, I see. My mom made the mistake of letting a hairdresser thin my very thick, curly hair as a kid which she thinned near the root. In a very short time the look was… comical. I can’t even hear of the concept now without shuddering.

I think it’s different for curly hair. When I would get a perm, hairs would stick out all the time. With straight hair, unless it’s thinned way up high, it will just lay flat.

And if it is thinned way up high, hopefully it’s a lot so I then look like I have a halo! (sweet devilish smile)

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WhatEVs  Oct 24, 2015 • 1:39:01pm

…

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WhatEVs  Oct 24, 2015 • 1:41:04pm

re: #186 klys (maker of Silmarils)

Nah, I think they’re still right next to each other then.

They are, that was my suggestion that I mocked up in Paint. :-)

I updated it to make that clearer.

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Pawn of the Oppressor  Oct 24, 2015 • 1:41:40pm

re: #180 darthstar

All I see is an assault on an innocent break-dancer!!1

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Oct 24, 2015 • 1:44:32pm

re: #189 WhatEVs

They are, that was my suggestion that I mocked up in Paint. :-)

I updated it to make that clearer.

Embedded Image

Right, but what I’m saying is that if you do that, they’re still right next to each other - this time just up and down instead of left and right. By moving one to the other side of the karma number, you provide more separation and reduce the likelihood of hitting the one you don’t intend.

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WhatEVs  Oct 24, 2015 • 1:47:39pm

re: #191 klys (maker of Silmarils)

Right, but what I’m saying is that if you do that, they’re still right next to each other - this time just up and down instead of left and right. By moving one to the other side of the karma number, you provide more separation and reduce the likelihood of hitting the one you don’t intend.

Like this?

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Oct 24, 2015 • 1:48:18pm

re: #192 WhatEVs

Yeah. That way, if you mis-hit, all you do is bring up the karma window, instead of downdinging.

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WhatEVs  Oct 24, 2015 • 1:50:27pm

re: #191 klys (maker of Silmarils)

Right, but what I’m saying is that if you do that, they’re still right next to each other - this time just up and down instead of left and right. By moving one to the other side of the karma number, you provide more separation and reduce the likelihood of hitting the one you don’t intend.

I got it! Like this.

But with bigger Karma buttons.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Oct 24, 2015 • 1:55:25pm

re: #175 Nyet

Yeah, If the minus button could be moved to the left of the karma number, that woul ‘d be great.

Yeah, I’m gonna have to go ahead and fix that for you.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Oct 24, 2015 • 1:56:58pm

re: #194 WhatEVs

I got it! Like this.

Embedded Image

But with bigger Karma buttons.

Or pointier fingers.

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WhatEVs  Oct 24, 2015 • 1:58:30pm

Just playin’ now.

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Nyet  Oct 24, 2015 • 2:09:18pm

re: #195 Blind Frog Belly White

I guess I don’t get it.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Oct 24, 2015 • 2:15:36pm

re: #198 Nyet

I guess I don’t get it.

Popular meme from the movie ‘Office Space’, where the protagonists horrible boss always finds him Friday afternoon, and says, “Yeah, I gonna have to ask you to come in both Saturday and Sunday. If you could be here at 9:00, that’d be great.”

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TedStriker  Oct 24, 2015 • 2:16:38pm

re: #198 Nyet

I guess I don’t get it.

re: #199 Blind Frog Belly White

Popular meme from the movie ‘Office Space’, where the protagonists horrible boss always finds him Friday afternoon, and says, “Yeah, I gonna have to ask you to come in both Saturday and Sunday. If you could be here at 9:00, that’d be great.”

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GlutenFreeJesus  Oct 24, 2015 • 2:16:45pm

re: #198 Nyet

I guess I don’t get it.

Office Space - Working Tomorrow

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Nyet  Oct 24, 2015 • 2:18:11pm

re: #199 Blind Frog Belly White

Thanks. Never watched it.

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A Mom Anon  Oct 24, 2015 • 2:18:12pm

re: #168 wrenchwench

Lowndes county has a total population of around 110,000. The biggest city is Valdosta. I somehow doubt this is a key gateway for that horrible “muslin invasion” someone is so worried about. Unless there are plans to drape the entire town in muslin as a Halloween prank or something. Which would be hilarious if someone would go there.

One of The Husband’s dipshit friends (and why he hangs out with a majority of guys who think like this I have no idea, another rant for another time) is convinced there are ISIS camps all over the state where the coming invaders are training intensely until the day of doom arrives. I heard this one afternoon when he was over and said “Dude, you have all kinds of guns, and you say you have a map of where these people are, let’s throw on some camo and go get them!” He got mad at me, lol. If these Fine Patriots are so convinced this is the truth then why aren’t they doing anything to stop it? I’d say that makes them traitorous cowards.

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Charles Johnson  Oct 24, 2015 • 2:19:30pm

By popular demand, the down/up-ding buttons are now separated by the rating number.

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TedStriker  Oct 24, 2015 • 2:19:47pm

re: #202 Nyet

Thanks. Never watched it.

WTF is wrong with you?!?!11ty

///

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Oct 24, 2015 • 2:20:12pm

re: #200 TedStriker

Popular meme from the movie ‘Office Space’, where the protagonists horrible boss always finds him Friday afternoon, and says, “Yeah, I gonna have to ask you to come in both Saturday and Sunday. If you could be here at 9:00, that’d be great.”

and if you wanna keep your job, you’d better be here by 8:45…

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TedStriker  Oct 24, 2015 • 2:20:17pm

re: #204 Charles Johnson

By popular demand, the down/up-ding buttons are now separated by the rating number.

Woot!

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Blind Frog Belly White  Oct 24, 2015 • 2:20:52pm

re: #202 Nyet

Thanks. Never watched it.

It’s a pretty good movie, from 1999. Comedy about corporate culture, cubicle life, awful bosses, etc. Steven Root - as so often happens - has the funniest role.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Oct 24, 2015 • 2:21:21pm

re: #204 Charles Johnson

By popular demand, the down/up-ding buttons are now separated by the rating number.

Thanks, boss!

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wrenchwench  Oct 24, 2015 • 2:22:51pm

[…]

The suspects, eleven men and two women aged between 21 and 36, are believed to be members of The Right, a small local far-Right party, and Nügida, a Bavarian offshoot of the Pegida anti-immigrant movement.

[…]

Great, now we have Pigita and Nuggies in Europe. Can’t find vid of nuggies in action. Here’s Pigita:

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wrenchwench  Oct 24, 2015 • 2:24:07pm

re: #203 A Mom Anon

Lowndes county has a total population of around 110,000. The biggest city is Valdosta. I somehow doubt this is a key gateway for that horrible “muslin invasion” someone is so worried about. Unless there are plans to drape the entire town in muslin as a Halloween prank or something. Which would be hilarious if someone would go there.

One of The Husband’s dipshit friends (and why he hangs out with a majority of guys who think like this I have no idea, another rant for another time) is convinced there are ISIS camps all over the state where the coming invaders are training intensely until the day of doom arrives. I heard this one afternoon when he was over and said “Dude, you have all kinds of guns, and you say you have a map of where these people are, let’s throw on some camo and go get them!” He got mad at me, lol. If these Fine Patriots are so convinced this is the truth then why aren’t they doing anything to stop it? I’d say that makes them traitorous cowards.

Can’t joke like that here, they’ll head down to the border and hurt someone, likely themselves.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 24, 2015 • 2:24:20pm

I like the change. It will decrease the accidental downdings that definitely occur when browsing LGF from a phone.

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Amory Blaine  Oct 24, 2015 • 2:25:54pm

I loved Paperboy.
Paperboy Gameplay

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TedStriker  Oct 24, 2015 • 2:27:08pm

re: #211 wrenchwench

Can’t joke like that here, they’ll head down to the border and hurt someone, likely themselves.

Annnnnd, this is a problem?

/

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wrenchwench  Oct 24, 2015 • 2:28:34pm

re: #214 TedStriker

Annnnnd, this is a problem?

/

Takes up valuable time from the first responders.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Oct 24, 2015 • 2:28:43pm

re: #212 HappyWarrior

I like the change. It will decrease the accidental downdings that definitely occur when browsing LGF from a phone.

Not with my Wife’s phone. Crikeys. Friggin thing is enormous!

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Oct 24, 2015 • 2:29:25pm

re: #210 wrenchwench

Police uncover far-Right plot to attack refugee shelters in Germany

I am pleased to say that despite the massive dimensions of the refugee crisis, most Germans are still understanding if not welcoming. They are pissed off at the politicians for failing to foresee and underestimating the extent of the flood of refugees, but aside from a few fringe groups, are not taking it out on the refugees themselves.

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darthstar  Oct 24, 2015 • 2:29:26pm

This is snark…but it’s funny snark
cafe.com

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darthstar  Oct 24, 2015 • 2:30:58pm

Hey! Who moved my fuckin’ minus button?

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Blind Frog Belly White  Oct 24, 2015 • 2:32:42pm

re: #219 darthstar

Hey! Who moved my fuckin’ minus button?

Everyone’s a critic.

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Nyet  Oct 24, 2015 • 2:32:51pm

re: #218 darthstar

He’d have been a Commie?

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Nyet  Oct 24, 2015 • 2:34:24pm

Sparks - Change

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wrenchwench  Oct 24, 2015 • 2:37:59pm

re: #217 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

I am pleased to say that despite the massive dimensions of the refugee crisis, most Germans are still understanding if not welcoming. They are pissed off at the politicians for failing to foresee and underestimating the extent of the flood of refugees, but aside from a few fringe groups, are not taking it out on the refugees themselves.

Germany is fascinating. Actual former Nazis, and actual former resistance, and the Easterners who feel different from other Germans because of History… The general public seems fine when it comes to refugees, and I like the stand that Merkel took for the refugees, but then she goes to Turkey to find a way for them to stem the flow. All of Europe needs to plan together for these crises. In whatever way they want to define ‘all of Europe’.

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thedopefishlives  Oct 24, 2015 • 3:04:59pm

re: #204 Charles Johnson

By popular demand, the down/up-ding buttons are now separated by the rating number.

Thanks, boss. Looks good.

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b.d.  Oct 24, 2015 • 3:09:29pm

re: #204 Charles Johnson

By popular demand, the down/up-ding buttons are now separated by the rating number.

Now I’ll have to blame something else on my downdinged comments
//

thank you Charles, i’ve hit many astray minuses

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retired cynic  Oct 24, 2015 • 3:14:28pm

re: #148 klys (maker of Silmarils)

Per the hair discussion earlier, I am debating a trim.

It is down to my butt when it is fully loose, which is rare these days, because it gets in the way of everything.

On the other hand, I love having long hair, because it is different. And you can do fun things with it.

I could sit on mine when I got married (ummm, over 40 years ago), but it didn’t last long outside in river bottom heat and humidity. It grew to immense dimensions and snagged up insects, leaves and small mammals. It finally ended up being just a cap, and that has worked for me ever since. I was proud of it, but not when it looked (and felt) like a burning bush.

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CleverToad  Oct 24, 2015 • 3:35:51pm

re: #148 klys (maker of Silmarils)

Sighs with envy and admiration for all these folks who can grow long, long hair. Would love to but mine gets a little below the shoulders and stops. Every time. Gave up and keep it short now.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 24, 2015 • 3:39:47pm

re: #227 CleverToad

Sighs with envy and admiration for all these folks who can grow long, long hair. Would love to but mine gets a little below the shoulders and stops. Every time. Gave up and keep it short now.

I had that long long hair long long ago.
Now I’m an old lady with hair still long but disappearing with alarming speed.
I want to cut it off, but MrBWS keeps saying “no”. (For him, hope springs eternal that Rogaine will eventually work a miracle…)

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vgranucci  Oct 24, 2015 • 4:42:53pm

re: #86 Nyet

According to legend, Judas was supposed to have been red-haired


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