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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Oct 24, 2015 • 2:37:41pm

From Salon

Ronald Reagan stiff-armed the religious right: What today’s GOP must learn before wingnuts swallow it whole

The point is that ever since Reagan, the Religious Right has been hedging its bets and insinuating its people into positions of power in government, public administration and education in order to ensure that its goals are met even without active support from even a GOP administration.

They have eaten Texas and Kansas, and taken big bites out of several other states, and it only whets their appetite to put one of their own in the White House.

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Charles Johnson  Oct 24, 2015 • 3:11:35pm
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thedopefishlives  Oct 24, 2015 • 3:14:12pm

re: #2 Charles Johnson

I was just talking to a friend of mine, a fellow moderate/liberal Christian like myself. I mentioned a few days ago that being a closeted liberal in the midst of a wingnut family is not entirely unlike being a closeted homosexual. Aside from the threat of death - I mean, physical violence, emotional abuse and rejection, attempts at conversion or intervention… It’s all on the table depending on the severity of the wingnut. Not to say that coming out as a liberal would be as significant as coming out as homosexual, but the social stigma would be similar.

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jaunte  Oct 24, 2015 • 3:15:06pm

re: #2 Charles Johnson

She seems bright.

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Charles Johnson  Oct 24, 2015 • 3:17:11pm

re: #4 jaunte

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She seems bright.

She’s a dope.

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TedStriker  Oct 24, 2015 • 3:21:35pm

re: #4 jaunte

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She seems bright.

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Reality Based Steve  Oct 24, 2015 • 3:24:58pm

Well, I saw something depressing this afternoon, on one of the main drags in town, right by the mall and WalMart. Along came a procession of about a dozen pickups, all with 1 or more confederate flags flying from them. (along with the usual assortment of Molon Labe, Gadson and III% Patriot flags).

The part that made it all the more depressing was the fact that so many people were honking and giving them the “Thumbs Up”.

It seriously damaged my calm for a while.

RBS

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wrenchwench  Oct 24, 2015 • 3:25:35pm

Don Henley stars as Faust himself in Randy Newman’s Faust. Here’s one of the songs he takes the lead vocals on [bad language used, turn it down if you’re in the library]:

The Man (Remastered Version)

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HappyWarrior  Oct 24, 2015 • 3:25:39pm

re: #4 jaunte

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She seems bright.

Doesn’t lie? He does everything but lie. Cultural communists. How original too.

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jaunte  Oct 24, 2015 • 3:26:31pm

re: #7 Reality Based Steve

As 2016 approaches, without martial law being declared and imaginary FEMA camps notably empty, they’re getting more agitated.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 24, 2015 • 3:27:52pm

re: #10 jaunte

As 2016 approaches, without martial law being declared and imaginary FEMA camps notably empty, they’re getting more agitated.

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Nothing would make me more happy than to see the NRA have to declare bankruptcy. What a despicable bunch of fuckers. They can’t stand the fact that some of us don’t need guns to feel safe and secure.

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retired cynic  Oct 24, 2015 • 3:28:32pm

re: #10 jaunte

WTF?

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jaunte  Oct 24, 2015 • 3:29:42pm

re: #12 retired cynic

I think one side owns the gun confiscation fantasies, and it isn’t the liberals.

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Eric The Fruit Bat  Oct 24, 2015 • 3:29:58pm

re: #5 Charles Johnson

I’m gonna have fun with this one.

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Reality Based Steve  Oct 24, 2015 • 3:30:17pm

re: #10 jaunte

As 2016 approaches, without martial law being declared and imaginary FEMA camps notably empty, they’re getting more agitated.

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Well, it better get here soon. I’ve got 2 storage units I’ve been paying for out of my own pocket full of FEMA Coffins, not to mention that stupid Guillotine. (does do a good job on splitting firewood I have to admit). They said they were just going to drop them off for a month or two, and that I should just submit the bill and they would square me away. Been almost 7 years now, and they won’t return my calls, my E-mails bounce. It’s getting to the point that I’m about ready to put them on Craigslist.

Worst.Revolution.Ever.

RBS

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TedStriker  Oct 24, 2015 • 3:32:25pm

re: #13 jaunte

I think one side owns the gun confiscation fantasies, and it isn’t the liberals.

Precisely.

The RWNJ gunfuckers want it, they crave it, because then, and only then, will they show us the true power of their battlestation that they mean business.

Even if that means killing their political opposition to do it…fascist fucks.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 24, 2015 • 3:33:34pm

re: #13 jaunte

I think one side owns the gun confiscation fantasies, and it isn’t the liberals.

Seriously. It’s like they fantasize about killing liberals and other “traitors.” I don’t think it’s unreasonable at all to want sensible policies regarding guns. The NRA opposes any policy outside making a gun as easy as it is to buy a candy bar.

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Stuff Happens  Oct 24, 2015 • 3:39:09pm

Nice Video. Thanks for posting.

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Charles Johnson  Oct 24, 2015 • 3:44:18pm

Another great performance with Trisha Yearwood:

Don Henley “Words Can Break Your Heart” on Austin City Limits

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SteveMcGaziBolaGate  Oct 24, 2015 • 3:47:07pm

NRA fetishists needs some sort of apocalyptic fantasy because the ordinary world where the rest of the world goes about their business is just not satisfactory.

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PhillyPretzel  Oct 24, 2015 • 3:49:28pm

OT: Charles I noticed that you changed the layout of how we up/down ding a comment. I like the fact that the positive is now separate from the negative. I have made a few mistakes over the years and this will help to end that little problem. Thanks. :)

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 24, 2015 • 3:52:56pm

re: #13 jaunte

I think one side owns the gun confiscation fantasies, and it isn’t the liberals.

And that particular side seems to sincerely believe that anyone who thinks otherwise (including liberals) do not own guns.
And actually know how to use them responsibly.

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Nyet  Oct 24, 2015 • 3:56:50pm

So Michael Shermer is very sloppy.

In his and Grobman’s book Denying History (expanded edn.) they write:

On October 7, 1940, in a speech to a Nazi assembly, Hans Frank, head of the Generalgouvernement (the governmental administration over Poland’s four districts of Krakow, Warsaw, Radom, and Lublin), summed up his first year:

“My dear Comrades! … I could not eliminate [ausrotten] all lice and Jews in only one year. But in the course of time, and if you help me, this end will be attained.”28

To those deniers who claim that by ausrotten Frank merely meant deportation, we counter: Did Frank, then, mean to “deport” all the lice? Only one translation makes sense here.

The endnote is:

28. N.D. 3363-PS, 891.

PS-3363 has nothing to do with Frank. The speech is from PS-2233, Frank’s official diary.

The speech took place not on Oct. 7, but rather on Dec.19 (see IMT vol. 29, p. 415).

And contrary to Shermer and Grobman, Frank used beseitigen instead of ausrotten:

Freilich, in einem Jahre konnte ich weder sämtliche Läuse noch sämtliche Juden beseitigen (Heiterkeit). Aber im Laufe der Zeit und vor allem dann, wenn Ihr mir helft, wird sich das schon erreichen lassen. Es ist ja auch nicht notwendig, dass wir alles in einem Jahre und alles gleich tun, denn was hätten sonst diejenigen, die nach uns kommen, noch zu schaffen?

Facepalm.

This claim was first made in Shermer’s book Why People Believe Weird Things and then in the first edition of Denying History.

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BeenHereAwhile  Oct 24, 2015 • 3:58:19pm

re: #7 Reality Based Steve

Well, I saw something depressing this afternoon, on one of the main drags in town, right by the mall and WalMart. Along came a procession of about a dozen pickups, all with 1 or more confederate flags flying from them. (along with the usual assortment of Molon Labe, Gadson and III% Patriot flags).

The part that made it all the more depressing was the fact that so many people were honking and giving them the “Thumbs Up”.

It seriously damaged my calm for a while.

RBS

Jus the usual Tennessee Patriots.

Whenever someone runs the “Molon Labe” meme by me, I like to point out there were also 1,300 Thespians fighting along side the Spartans against the Persians.

The sound of the word thespian gives them pause.

One of these days I’ll meet a open carry fan who knows their Greek City-State history, and I’ll buy them a beer.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Oct 24, 2015 • 3:59:31pm

Oh. Shit.

abc7chicago.com

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goddamnedfrank  Oct 24, 2015 • 3:59:32pm

Tunney is a ridiculous ignorant apologist for Auernheimer’s racism.

1.) Weev’s anti semitism long predates his prosecution and imprisonment.

I listened for a few more minutes as Weev held forth on the Federal Reserve and about Jews. Unlike Fortuny, he made no attempt to reconcile his trolling with conventional social norms.

I met their friend Kate, who has been repeatedly banned from playing XBox Live for racist slurs, which she also enjoys screaming at white pedestrians. Kate checked my head for lice and kept calling me “Jew.”

2.) Jews did not put him in prison, and Weev’s story of his prosecutor bringing their entire synagog to witness his trial is simply a ridiculous, Star Chamber evoking fantasy he sells to like minded idiot racists.

3.) If his home was bulldozed it either was never his or because he defaulted on the payments and it was foreclosed, making it no longer his. It’s again party of a patently ridiculous story he sells to ignorant, easily manipulated fools like Tunney.

Tunny has no real education combined with a desire to be seen as far more widely read and capable than she really is. She’s a classic egotistical pseudo intellectual, who sees association with Weev as an easy way to get attention via notoriety. She also pronounces subterfuge without the b (ie as sutterfuge) because apparently she looked around and realized wasn’t quite awful enough without that retarded affectation.

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stpaulbear  Oct 24, 2015 • 4:01:20pm

Are there any songs in that set where he cuts loose at all? I’ve listened to three songs that are all mid tempo ballads played with cold precision by a band that’s paid to hit everything just right with no surprises. Even with his guests.

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Charles Johnson  Oct 24, 2015 • 4:03:33pm

re: #28 goddamnedfrank

These are extremely unhealthy people. Seriously damaged.

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BeenHereAwhile  Oct 24, 2015 • 4:04:04pm

The music industry still lurching into the future:

(In a recent conversation about online streaming artist royalties, a music row executive told me. “I see recent Grammy Winners working at Costco,”)

[…] The advantage the record labels have had even to date, is that they have controlled discovery in the form of radio (yes, it still matters), and therefor been able to monopolize as a group — if not strictly control — what becomes a hit. Internet nerds forget the scale of terrestrial radio and its importance even today. Ask Macklemore.
But the demographics of radio aside, tech music companies have achieved amazing scale today. Spotify and Pandora have on the order of 80M users each. Apple will likely catch up in the next 1-2 years. These platforms are arguably much better positioned than record labels + radio to make the hits.[…]

startupljackson.com

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b.d.  Oct 24, 2015 • 4:04:39pm

Twisting the knife while burning down the Republican Party

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HappyWarrior  Oct 24, 2015 • 4:05:59pm

re: #28 goddamnedfrank

Tunney is a ridiculous ignorant apologist for Auernheimer’s racism.

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1.) Weev’s anti semitism long predates his prosecution and imprisonment.

2.) Jews did not put him in prison, and Weev’s story of his prosecutor bringing their entire synagog to witness his trial is simply a ridiculous, Star Chamber evoking fantasy he sells to like minded idiot racists.

3.) If his home was bulldozed it either was never his or because he defaulted on the payments and it was foreclosed, making it no longer his. It’s again party of a patently ridiculous story he sells to ignorant, easily manipulated fools like Tunney.

Tunny has no real education combined with a desire to be seen as far more widely read and capable than she really is. She’s a classic egotistical pseudo intellectual, who sees association with Weev as an easy way to get attention via notoriety. She also pronounces subterfuge without the b (ie as sutterfuge) because apparently she looked around and realized wasn’t quite awful enough without that retarded affectation.

What in the fuck.

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Amory Blaine  Oct 24, 2015 • 4:10:40pm

WISCONSIN LEADS THE NATION IN CUTTING SCHOOL FUNDING

Wisconsin has found its way back to the top of a list about public education, and it’s not a good thing for kids, schools, or their communities.

According to a study by the national Center on Budget and Policy Priorities (CBPP), the Badger State cut the most per-student public school aid in the country, comparing the 2011 fiscal year to the 2012 fiscal year, at $635 less. See the study here.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 24, 2015 • 4:11:32pm

re: #34 Amory Blaine

WISCONSIN LEADS THE NATION IN CUTTING SCHOOL FUNDING

Walker’s supporters must be so proud.

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A Cranky One  Oct 24, 2015 • 4:11:35pm

re: #15 Reality Based Steve

Well, it better get here soon. I’ve got 2 storage units I’ve been paying for out of my own pocket full of FEMA Coffins, not to mention that stupid Guillotine. (does do a good job on splitting firewood I have to admit). They said they were just going to drop them off for a month or two, and that I should just submit the bill and they would square me away. Been almost 7 years now, and they won’t return my calls, my E-mails bounce. It’s getting to the point that I’m about ready to put them on Craigslist.

Worst.Revolution.Ever.

RBS

I’m sorry, it’s actually my fault. I was put in charge of writing the plans to populate the FEMA camps and to confiscate all the guns, but my dog ate the plans. Did it all again, only to have a different dog shred them. Tried a third time, same result. Sigh. Fourth time, deja vu all over again. I think I have too many dogs…

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SteveMcGaziBolaGate  Oct 24, 2015 • 4:12:42pm

re: #29 stpaulbear

C’mon, this is Don Henley we’re talking about, right?

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Stuff Happens  Oct 24, 2015 • 4:13:03pm

re: #34 Amory Blaine

WISCONSIN LEADS THE NATION IN CUTTING SCHOOL FUNDING

But now they have more money for basketball stadiumsarenas.

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SteveMcGaziBolaGate  Oct 24, 2015 • 4:15:34pm

Sort of OT, but I was watching a Pretenders’ concert on VH1 Classic the other day. Chrissy Hynde was all sweaty and stuff, and it occurred to me that if she had any makeup on at all, it would run down her cheeks and she would look exactly like Alice Cooper.

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goddamnedfrank  Oct 24, 2015 • 4:16:45pm

re: #30 Charles Johnson

These are extremely unhealthy people. Seriously damaged.

Auernheimer’s case for being an antisemite has a lot in common with the Nigerian banking scam, in that it’s constructed in such a way that the people who fall for it self select as the most incredibly credulous, retarded, borderline psychopathic d-bags on the planet. If white nationalism recruiters like him attempted to make a case that even included allusions towards rationality their sales pitch might draw in people actually prone to examine things in some depth later, who would then find the obvious holes and escape the snare.

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A Cranky One  Oct 24, 2015 • 4:18:03pm

Okay, not an Eagles fan, but I like this version of Hotel California.

A little something for the guitar playing lizards:

Eagles – Hotel California Acoustic Cover (Hell Freezes Over, April 1994)

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SteveMcGaziBolaGate  Oct 24, 2015 • 4:18:31pm

re: #34 Amory Blaine

I wonder if he’s just screwing around to find out just how far he can drag WI down before he runs out of support. Given the way his campaign went (and the GOP goes), he should have pushed for an early release for that report.

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Lidane  Oct 24, 2015 • 4:21:18pm
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stpaulbear  Oct 24, 2015 • 4:21:30pm

re: #37 SteveMcGaziBolaGate

C’mon, this is Don Henley we’re talking about, right?

Yeah, you’re right. I was hoping against hope for a sign of humanity. At least I didn’t find a clip of them playing ‘The Last Worthless Evening’.

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thedopefishlives  Oct 24, 2015 • 4:22:22pm

re: #43 Lidane

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By all means, Jeb!, be our guest. We won’t mind. Really. No, seriously, go. JUST GET THE FUCK OUT.

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SteveMcGaziBolaGate  Oct 24, 2015 • 4:24:11pm

re: #41 A Cranky One

I always liked that. I don’t dig the Eagles a whole lot, but I do respect something Glenn Frey said. He said that even if the band is sick of playing the same old songs over and over again, the audience ponied up money because they like the songs that you’re sick of, and you owe it to the audience to play it right.
I had a discussion once about Paul Simon, around the way that he played “Kodachrome” in a way that was unrecognizable, except for the words. I didn’t care for it, because it is a great song. The other person said Simon was entitled to play it any way he sees fit. I found that pointless, because 1, I’m also entitled to bitch about it, and 2, if he wants to play something different, he should either write a different song, or play a different song. I would have no problem with that. I think it’s an affront to somebody who appreciates the song but then hears something that just isn’t it.

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Amory Blaine  Oct 24, 2015 • 4:24:19pm

Wisconsin’s graduation rate gap widens to largest in U.S.

Wisconsin’s gap in graduation rates between black and white students widened slightly in the 2013-‘14 school year to become the largest in the country, at a time when many states are narrowing that gap, according to preliminary data released this week by the U.S. Department of Education.

According to the data, Wisconsin’s overall graduation rate rose by more than half a percentage point to 88.6% in 2013-‘14, the most recent year available.

But the rate for African-American students held steady at 66.1%, failing to keep pace with gains seen by their Wisconsin counterparts and those in almost every other racial, ethnic and special-needs category.

The graduation rate for white students rose to 92.9%, widening the gap between black and white students to 26.8 percentage points.

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Skip Intro  Oct 24, 2015 • 4:24:47pm

re: #32 b.d.

Twisting the knife while burning down the Republican Party

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Jeb! should have declared bankruptcy so he could be on equal footing with Trump

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SteveMcGaziBolaGate  Oct 24, 2015 • 4:25:37pm

re: #43 Lidane

Maybe Jeb? should try doing something really cool while running for President. I think people would respect him for that.

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SteveMcGaziBolaGate  Oct 24, 2015 • 4:26:14pm

re: #48 Skip Intro

Jeb! should have declared bankruptcy so he could be on equal footing with Trump

He’d still be about 7 or 8 bankruptcies behind.

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Joe Bacon  Oct 24, 2015 • 4:27:10pm

re: #43 Lidane

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Yes, Jebthro! Do something constructive like buying a macadamia nut farm in Australia!

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Amory Blaine  Oct 24, 2015 • 4:27:12pm
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Amory Blaine  Oct 24, 2015 • 4:29:28pm

re: #47 Amory Blaine

I will note that comments are not enabled for the article.

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The Ghost of the Beardsman  Oct 24, 2015 • 4:30:10pm

Is sinus trepanation a thing? I need it to be a thing, right now. There is pressure and possibly demons that need to be released.

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PhillyPretzel  Oct 24, 2015 • 4:32:04pm

re: #54 The Ghost of the Beardsman

Allergies?

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Eric The Fruit Bat  Oct 24, 2015 • 4:32:45pm

re: #28 goddamnedfrank

weev basically grew up as backwoods white trash, got mixed up in some local shit, but then was made an example of by AT&T for violating of the CFMA. He eventually was released when the appeal threw his conviction out over jurisdictional issues and the whole issue of whether he really violated the CFMA in the first place, but the whole incident has left his brain a mess. He seems to be on a quixotic quest-well, I don’t think MLK or Nelson MAndela did the things they did ‘for the lulz’.

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TedStriker  Oct 24, 2015 • 4:32:53pm

re: #54 The Ghost of the Beardsman

Is sinus trepanation a thing? I need it to be a thing, right now. There is pressure and possibly demons that need to be released.

*grabs cordless drill with long drill bit*

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PhillyPretzel  Oct 24, 2015 • 4:33:23pm

re: #57 TedStriker

lol

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ObserverArt  Oct 24, 2015 • 4:33:44pm

re: #39 SteveMcGaziBolaGate

Sort of OT, but I was watching a Pretenders’ concert on VH1 Classic the other day. Chrissy Hynde was all sweaty and stuff, and it occurred to me that if she had any makeup on at all, it would run down her cheeks and she would look exactly like Alice Cooper.

There is a Pretenders concert shown on Palladia where she is wearing eyeliner and it does run down her face. But she doesn’t look like Alice Cooper, she looks pretty good for the 60 year old (show is a few years old) rocker she is.

And, I’ll take Chrissie’s music over Henley for my tastes. Never have been a big Don Henely fan.

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Mattand  Oct 24, 2015 • 4:33:51pm

re: #3 thedopefishlives

I was just talking to a friend of mine, a fellow moderate/liberal Christian like myself. I mentioned a few days ago that being a closeted liberal in the midst of a wingnut family is not entirely unlike being a closeted homosexual. Aside from the threat of death - I mean, physical violence, emotional abuse and rejection, attempts at conversion or intervention… It’s all on the table depending on the severity of the wingnut. Not to say that coming out as a liberal would be as significant as coming out as homosexual, but the social stigma would be similar.

Atheists have the same problem.There’s an outside chance me admitting to being one may have contributed to me losing a client.

A tangent to that story is that I worked with a National Guardsman who would always say shit like “If there’s such a thing as God”. When I admitted to not playing for the God Squad anymore, he jumped all over me and claimed people like me where what’s wrong with America. I would imagine it filtered back to the higher ups at some point.

As an aside, this guy was a real eye opener for destroying the myth of “We must blindly worship our men in uniform”. Guy was not a team player and would not hesitate to throw you under the bus if it meant saving his ass.

Other than that, a real nice guy.

But yeah, as an atheist, people tend to look at you funny. Not that I will, but I pretty much can’t hold public office in this country (the inevitable death threats wouldn’t be worth it anyway). Even the supposedly open-minded people you know think you’re acting like a child when you say you don’t believe.

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The Ghost of the Beardsman  Oct 24, 2015 • 4:37:01pm

re: #55 PhillyPretzel

Particularly vicious sinus infection paired with a natural inclination to sinus blockage (funny shaped cartilage).

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PhillyPretzel  Oct 24, 2015 • 4:39:11pm

re: #61 The Ghost of the Beardsman

I understand and hope you feel better soon. My allergies are kicking up so much that I am going to be staying home this weekend.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 24, 2015 • 4:40:18pm
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Nyet  Oct 24, 2015 • 4:41:16pm

re: #63 Backwoods_Sleuth

Youtube Video

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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Oct 24, 2015 • 4:41:48pm

re: #60 Mattand

Atheists have the same problem.There’s an outside chance me admitting to being one may have contributed to me losing a client.

A tangent to that story is that I worked with a National Guardsman who would always say shit like “If there’s such a thing as God”. When I admitted to not playing for the God Squad anymore, he jumped all over me and claimed people like me where what’s wrong with America. I would imagine it filtered back to the higher ups at some point.

As an aside, this guy was a real eye opener for destroying the myth of “We must blindly worship our men in uniform”. Guy was not a team player and would not hesitate to throw you under the bus if it meant saving his ass.

Other than that, a real nice guy.

But yeah, as an atheist, people tend to look at you funny. Not that I will, but I pretty much can’t hold public office in this country (the inevitable death threats wouldn’t be worth it anyway). Even the supposedly open-minded people you know think you’re acting like a child when you say you don’t believe.

for my part as an unbeliever, i keep my sulferous opinions about you’ll-burn-in-hellfire-if-you-dont-accept-my-daddy-god type of christians to myself because im too polite and, you know, “politically correct”

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Great White Snark  Oct 24, 2015 • 4:41:50pm

Well we wound up with a one year old female short hair tabby. Thanks to ASPCA cats over 4 months are free from LA shelters. Right now she has met Pepper, and has found a quiet place to hide out.And the food and box. Yaaay. Easy intro so far. Pic from the shelter get acquainted room.

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Feline Fearless Leader  Oct 24, 2015 • 4:43:33pm

No Feline Overlord left Unstaffed.

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wrenchwench  Oct 24, 2015 • 4:43:37pm

re: #46 SteveMcGaziBolaGate

I always liked that. I don’t dig the Eagles a whole lot, but I do respect something Glenn Frey said. He said that even if the band is sick of playing the same old songs over and over again, the audience ponied up money because they like the songs that you’re sick of, and you owe it to the audience to play it right.
I had a discussion once about Paul Simon, around the way that he played “Kodachrome” in a way that was unrecognizable, except for the words. I didn’t care for it, because it is a great song. The other person said Simon was entitled to play it any way he sees fit. I found that pointless, because 1, I’m also entitled to bitch about it, and 2, if he wants to play something different, he should either write a different song, or play a different song. I would have no problem with that. I think it’s an affront to somebody who appreciates the song but then hears something that just isn’t it.

You’re entitled to bitch about anything, but the guy on the stage is the boss of the stage and what happens on the stage is his or her business. You don’t get a say, just a seat.

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Nyet  Oct 24, 2015 • 4:45:26pm

re: #66 Great White Snark

What’s her name?

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ObserverArt  Oct 24, 2015 • 4:45:48pm

re: #68 wrenchwench

You’re entitled to bitch about anything, but the guy on the stage is the boss of the stage and what happens on the stage is his or her business. You don’t get a say, just a seat.

Steve paid his two bits to see the rabbit dance…and the confoundin’ rabbit didn’t dance!

: )

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Mattand  Oct 24, 2015 • 4:46:49pm

re: #46 SteveMcGaziBolaGate

re: #68 wrenchwench

I always go back on forth with these two. Glenn Frey is absolutely right. That said, if an artist wants to change things up, so be it. It’s not the end of the world, and you don’t grow as an artist if you keep running in the same circle over and over.

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SteveMcGaziBolaGate  Oct 24, 2015 • 4:49:00pm

re: #68 wrenchwench

I’m the paying customer. I’m the boss of my money. Like I said, he can play what he wants, but I think it’s disrespectful (if not unprofessional) to the audience to play a popular song in a way that’s unrecognizable. Why not play a new song or a different song? If he hates “Kodachrome” that much that he doesn’t want to play it anymore, than don’t frickin’ play it.

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Mattand  Oct 24, 2015 • 4:50:21pm

re: #72 SteveMcGaziBolaGate

That’s kind of a no-win situation. If he doesn’t play “Kodachrome”, then everyone bitches about him not playing the song.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 24, 2015 • 4:50:21pm

re: #72 SteveMcGaziBolaGate

LOLOLOLOLOLOL!!!!!!!!!

Buy the song version you like then and don’t pay for a concert ticket.

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Great White Snark  Oct 24, 2015 • 4:50:25pm

re: #69 Nyet

What’s her name?

Finding out as we watch her. She was a stray so we don’t know her old name. Natural bobtail. Naming within the hour….

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wrenchwench  Oct 24, 2015 • 4:55:42pm

re: #75 Great White Snark

Finding out as we watch her. She was a stray so we don’t know her old name. Natural bobtail. Naming within the hour….

She’s a Manx. I’ve always liked them, since my mom had Charlie with the one-inch tail when we were growing up.

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SteveMcGaziBolaGate  Oct 24, 2015 • 4:55:55pm

re: #74 Backwoods_Sleuth

I don’t necessarily need to buy it, I can hear it in my head any time I want. The difference is that when an artist performs the song, the performance has more vitality than the studio recording. I find that almost universal, but I’m not sure why, although I have a couple of guesses. In addition, a performance provides a visual aspect that you don’t get from the radio (or most music videos, even when lip-synched).

BTW, those guesses are 1, the artist and band have refined the performance in the time since the studio track was laid down, 2, there may be additional musicians, 3, the studio recording may be one take out of a dozen or more from a tired band that’s in the middle of recording a dozen or more songs for an album.

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Reality Based Steve  Oct 24, 2015 • 4:56:01pm

Well I’ve got to go pack some gear up. Our Public Safety Dive Team class is having a simulated “real world” mission tomorrow. They will be chilling at the shop, a call will come in about a car that went into the river. They are going to have to locate the site, evaluate, gear up and execute to discover the vehicle and recover anybody on board (mannequins, I drew the line at being a rescue dummy).

I’ll be acting as dispatcher initially, then kicking into JAFO (Just Another Freaking Observer), along with documenting and photographing everything for later analysis.

I won’t be diving, but was told “bring your gear, just in case something goes bad”. I’m 100% confident that it won’t get wet, this is one time I don’t want to have to jump in.

RBS

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Great White Snark  Oct 24, 2015 • 4:57:18pm

re: #76 wrenchwench

She’s a Manx. I’ve always liked them, since my mom had Charlie with the one-inch tail when we were growing up.

Thats so cool!

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SteveMcGaziBolaGate  Oct 24, 2015 • 4:58:12pm

re: #78 Reality Based Steve

In my public nursing disaster day, one of the instructors feigned a fainting spell, but the acting was so bad that none of the students reacted.

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Nyet  Oct 24, 2015 • 4:58:45pm

re: #76 wrenchwench

She’s a Manx. I’ve always liked them, since my mom had Charlie with the one-inch tail when we were growing up.

Charlie the Manx? Heh. Don’t google “Charlie Manx”. ;)

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wrenchwench  Oct 24, 2015 • 4:59:26pm

re: #80 SteveMcGaziBolaGate

In my public nursing disaster day, one of the instructors feigned a fainting spell, but the acting was so bad that none of the students reacted.

She should have sung a new version of Kodachrome.

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Nyet  Oct 24, 2015 • 4:59:27pm

re: #79 Great White Snark

awwwwwwwwwwwwwwww

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TedStriker  Oct 24, 2015 • 4:59:54pm

re: #78 Reality Based Steve

Well I’ve got to go pack some gear up. Our Public Safety Dive Team class is having a simulated “real world” mission tomorrow. They will be chilling at the shop, a call will come in about a car that went into the river. They are going to have to locate the site, evaluate, gear up and execute to discover the vehicle and recover anybody on board (mannequins, I drew the line at being a rescue dummy).

I’ll be acting as dispatcher initially, then kicking into JAFO (Just Another Freaking Observer), along with documenting and photographing everything for later analysis.

I won’t be diving, but was told “bring your gear, just in case something goes bad”. I’m 100% confident that it won’t get wet, this is one time I don’t want to have to jump in.

RBS

Nice Blue Thunder reference.

Lymangood (holding hat with JAFO on it): “What’s this JAFO shit?”
Montoya: “Look up, look down, look left, look right…don’t worry about it!”

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Charles Johnson  Oct 24, 2015 • 5:01:28pm

Oh hai Chuck!

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PhillyPretzel  Oct 24, 2015 • 5:01:53pm

re: #79 Great White Snark

I like that last look. Almost if to say “What are you staring at? Haven’t you seen a cat eat before?” Seriously she is a very good looking cat.

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Reality Based Steve  Oct 24, 2015 • 5:02:22pm

re: #84 TedStriker

Nice Blue Thunder reference.

“Look up, look down, look left, look right…don’t worry about it!”

When I was JRTC (Joint Readiness Training Center) in Louisiana, the last day of the war, all the observers wore ballcaps with JAFO stitched on them in big bold letters. (and I can’t, with 100% honesty, say we used the term ‘freaking’ for them).

RBS

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SteveMcGaziBolaGate  Oct 24, 2015 • 5:02:39pm

re: #82 wrenchwench

I don’t think any of the “kids” ever heard of Paul Simon. I had the shock of realizing that when I was talking about some 80’s movie (might have been Airplane of Beverly Hills Cop), I was talking about a movie made before these kids were born. When I think of a movie made before I was born, I think of West Side Story, Gone With the Wind, stuff like that.

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Nyet  Oct 24, 2015 • 5:03:28pm

re: #85 Charles Johnson

Good Charles Johnson quoting bad Charles Johnson quoting good Charles Johnson! Only here.

:)

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wrenchwench  Oct 24, 2015 • 5:03:58pm

re: #81 Nyet

Charlie the Manx? Heh. Don’t google “Charlie Manx”. ;)

OK, I won’t, until later when I can’t resist anymore. :)

His mom was Mousie, she became a barn cat in Wisconsin while her son moved to California with the humans.

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Nyet  Oct 24, 2015 • 5:04:02pm

re: #86 PhillyPretzel

Yeah, those eyes at the end!

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Oct 24, 2015 • 5:04:10pm

re: #74 Backwoods_Sleuth

LOLOLOLOLOLOL!!!!!!!!!

Buy the song version you like then and don’t pay for a concert ticket.

Personal concert tickets are a whole lot higher than the general admission, of course.

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Charles Johnson  Oct 24, 2015 • 5:04:32pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 24, 2015 • 5:05:47pm

re: #82 wrenchwench

She should have sung a new version of Kodachrome.

And there should have been lots of pearls and a fainting couch…

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SteveMcGaziBolaGate  Oct 24, 2015 • 5:06:53pm

Maybe Hitler would have been replaced by a dictator that prosecuted the war better for Germany’s side.

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goddamnedfrank  Oct 24, 2015 • 5:08:01pm

We now live in a post apocalyptic world without actual Kodachrome, mama done took that shit away. So Paul Simon singing the song all fucked up is just apt social commentary.

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Eric The Fruit Bat  Oct 24, 2015 • 5:08:05pm

Silver Halide Photography has definitely taken hits since the digital age has arrived-we’ve lost some great film and products….

Panatomix-X
Plus-X
Rodinal
Kodachrome
A shitton of stuff I used back in the 1970 when I did B&W printing…..

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 24, 2015 • 5:08:08pm

re: #93 Charles Johnson

[Embedded content]

UpChuck would have adopted the babby hitler because all lives are precious…
(srsly…he said that on his FB page.)

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ObserverArt  Oct 24, 2015 • 5:08:47pm

I was a huge Genesis fan back in the 70s when Peter Gabriel was still creating that special magic he did with the band. In ‘75 they played Columbus in a concert billed as The Lamb Lies Down on Broadway and Select Favorites. Articles said the tour was the band doing the full double-album ‘opera’ Lamb Lies Down and then a break and the band would come out and do another 45 minutes to an hour of their classics. Sounded good to me. That meant almost 2 1/2 hours of music.

Well, they did all of Lamb Lies Down and the audience was accepting, but not really all that into it as the applause were light no big bursts, etc. The band really knocked themselves out on a hugely complicated presentation, way beyond a concert. But folks were not that familiar with the album yet and it was a different sound for Genesis, so everyone really sat on their hands.

The band took a break, they cleaned some of the elaborate sets off stage and set up more as a band. They came back out and did “Musical Box” probably one of their most loved and recognizable songs. They audience went nuts, it was as if they were happy they finally got some Genesis.

You could almost see the shock and disappointment in Peter Gabriel’s face. They had just done this new big show and got not much feedback, they do a song everyone knows and they go nuts. Peter turned and walked off stage. The band kind of looked at one another and followed. That was the show. The audience was a little stunned, I guess expecting some more real Genesis.

It was shortly announced Gabriel was out of the band.

The Wiki page on Genesis…

During their stay in Cleveland on The Lamb… tour, Gabriel told the band he was to leave at its conclusion.[101] He wrote a statement regarding his departure to the English press that was published in August 1975 titled “Out, Angels Out”, explaining he had become disillusioned with the music industry and wanted to spend extended time with his family.[102] Banks later stated, “Pete was also getting too big for the group. He was being portrayed as if he was ‘the man’ and it really wasn’t like that. It was a very difficult thing to accommodate. So it was actually a bit of a relief.”[101]

I think Cleveland was a few nights after their show in Columbus. As it says int he Wiki bit, Tony Banks may have been glad Pete left. Peter seemed to do pretty good on his own too after that.

The music biz…

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SteveMcGaziBolaGate  Oct 24, 2015 • 5:08:52pm

re: #96 goddamnedfrank

I was at a place that had a sign that said “We still develop film”.

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Snarknado!  Oct 24, 2015 • 5:09:06pm

re: #54 The Ghost of the Beardsman

Is sinus trepanation a thing? I need it to be a thing, right now. There is pressure and possibly demons that need to be released.

Probably you know this (but my dentist didn’t)… if you drape a very hot wet washcloth over your nose (fold the cloth so it’s over the sinus area ), it helps a lot. So they tell me, anyway, I didn’t inherit my mother’s sinus problems. For which I am duly grateful.

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Nyet  Oct 24, 2015 • 5:13:38pm

re: #93 Charles Johnson

It boils down to “because I agree with him”:

I’d raise him to embrace his oratorical gifts. I’d counsel him not to invade Russia or kill Jews. The smarter strategy would be to red pill the Jews and get them to turn against the communists or the imperialists. (Read your Menicus Moldbug on this, kids.)

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goddamnedfrank  Oct 24, 2015 • 5:15:44pm

Is it just me or is Twitter kind of fucked up right now? Advanced Search and Tweetdeck search results barely returning anything at all.

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Nyet  Oct 24, 2015 • 5:15:54pm

Hitler obviously lived. So you can’t kill baby Hitler, because you have already failed. If you did kill a baby Hitler, you killed the wrong innocent baby. Murderer.

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Charles Johnson  Oct 24, 2015 • 5:16:43pm

re: #102 Nyet

It’s actually “Mencius,” not “Menicus.” He’s one of those ultra-creepy “neo-reactionary” psychos.

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The Ghost of the Beardsman  Oct 24, 2015 • 5:17:47pm

re: #102 Nyet

I can’t repel stupid of that magnitude.

Imma go read cooking sites.

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SteveMcGaziBolaGate  Oct 24, 2015 • 5:17:47pm

re: #104 Nyet

Hitler obviously lived. So you can’t kill baby Hitler, because you have already failed. If you did kill a baby Hitler, you killed the wrong innocent baby. Murderer.

Oops.

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WhatEVs  Oct 24, 2015 • 5:18:00pm

re: #45 thedopefishlives

By all means, Jeb!, be our guest. We won’t mind. Really. No, seriously, go. JUST GET THE FUCK OUT.

Goes for the whole rotten lot of them.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Oct 24, 2015 • 5:19:14pm

re: #89 Nyet

Good Charles Johnson quoting bad Charles Johnson quoting good Charles Johnson! Only here.

:)

Charles-ception?

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Eric The Fruit Bat  Oct 24, 2015 • 5:19:18pm

re: #98 Backwoods_Sleuth

The NYTImes got the question wrong-instead of ‘would you travel back tin them and Kill Hitler’, it should be ‘Who would you travel back in time and kill?’

The answer to me is simple: I would Kill the mother and fetus who was pregnant with Moses.

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goddamnedfrank  Oct 24, 2015 • 5:19:55pm

A “red pill the Jews” and a Moldbug. He’s playing neoreactionary bingo.

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Skip Intro  Oct 24, 2015 • 5:20:00pm

re: #105 Charles Johnson

It’s actually “Mencius,” not “Menicus.” He’s one of those ultra-creepy “neo-reactionary” psychos.

I can see why CCJ likes him.

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Nyet  Oct 24, 2015 • 5:20:40pm

re: #110 Eric The Fruit Bat

The NYTImes got the question wrong-instead of ‘would you travel back tin them and Kill Hitler’, it should be ‘Who would you travel back in time and kill?’

The answer to me is simple: I would Kill the mother and fetus who was pregnant with Moses.

Eh??

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The Ghost of the Beardsman  Oct 24, 2015 • 5:21:25pm

re: #110 Eric The Fruit Bat

The NYTImes got the question wrong-instead of ‘would you travel back tin them and Kill Hitler’, it should be ‘Who would you travel back in time and kill?’

The answer to me is simple: I would Kill the mother and fetus who was pregnant with Moses.

We’d all be worried about fundamentalist Mithraists putting the boots to more traditional Zoroastrians.

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SteveMcGaziBolaGate  Oct 24, 2015 • 5:21:49pm

re: #113 Nyet

Maybe he’s thinking something like “No Jews, no holocaust”

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Dark_Falcon  Oct 24, 2015 • 5:22:52pm

re: #113 Nyet

Eh??

Clearly, Eric has something against the Abrahamic religions, hence his anger at Moses, who all three revere. I downdinged him for it.

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Nyet  Oct 24, 2015 • 5:22:57pm

Leaving aside the fact that Moses is a myth, how can a fetus be pregnant, and what does its mother have to do with anything?

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Skip Intro  Oct 24, 2015 • 5:24:27pm

Look, if you really want to solve all of our problems by going back in time, just kill Eve before she took the forbidden fruit.

Problem solved.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 24, 2015 • 5:24:58pm

Arm/shoulder and back are aching, I’m gonna go curl up in bed with a book for a while.

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Great White Snark  Oct 24, 2015 • 5:25:06pm

re: #69 Nyet

What’s her name?

I cut the shelter serial number collar off and named that cat Cinnamon, by way of personality- bright curious confidence. Little exotic but really very approachable.

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Nyet  Oct 24, 2015 • 5:26:05pm

Is this an official killing-innocent-women thread? I think I’m gonna go to bed then.

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SteveMcGaziBolaGate  Oct 24, 2015 • 5:27:17pm

re: #121 Nyet

I would have expected Eric to stick around and either clarify or support his statement.

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The Ghost of the Beardsman  Oct 24, 2015 • 5:27:31pm

re: #121 Nyet

Is this an official killing-innocent-women thread? I think I’m gonna go to bed then.

Hey, some of us just want to time travel and mack on Ava Gardner.

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Varek Raith  Oct 24, 2015 • 5:27:55pm

re: #110 Eric The Fruit Bat

WTF.

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WhatEVs  Oct 24, 2015 • 5:28:38pm

Charles, thank you for updating the Karma buttons!!

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PhillyPretzel  Oct 24, 2015 • 5:28:59pm

re: #120 Great White Snark

That sounds like a good name. Welcome to the LGF family, Cinnamon.

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William Lewis  Oct 24, 2015 • 5:29:03pm

re: #72 SteveMcGaziBolaGate

Back in 1987 I saw David Bowie on the Glass Spider Tour. One of the big things, said over and over by him and everyone promoting the tour was that the oldest songs prior to “Heroes” wouldn’t be played.

I loved the show. Tremendous fun.

But the guy in the row behind us kept calling for Ziggy Stardust, refusing to understand that Bowie really wasn’t going to play that song on this tour. After the last song of the Encore - “Modern Love” - the lights came up and that guy just sat there practically crying because Bowie didn’t sing “Ziggy”. But because he’d said all along that he wouldn’t, my sympathy was with the performer instead.

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William Lewis  Oct 24, 2015 • 5:30:32pm

re: #97 Eric The Fruit Bat

Silver Halide Photography has definitely taken hits since the digital age has arrived-we’ve lost some great film and products….

Panatomix-X
Plus-X
Rodinal
Kodachrome
A shitton of stuff I used back in the 1970 when I did B&W printing…..

I thought Rodinal was brought back by another company.

But I really really miss Plus-X, especially in 120 format.

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Brian J.  Oct 24, 2015 • 5:31:30pm

Thirty minutes until we get to find out if we’re really dumb enough to elect David Vitter to anything, along with other assorted lower life forms. Yes, it’s Election Night in Louisiana!

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teleskiguy  Oct 24, 2015 • 5:32:37pm
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The Ghost of the Beardsman  Oct 24, 2015 • 5:32:42pm

re: #123 The Ghost of the Beardsman

Lafayette Gingerbread Cake. I’m so making this.

Also, it makes me realize that time machines should be used for restaurant hopping.

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WhatEVs  Oct 24, 2015 • 5:32:53pm

re: #129 Brian J.

Thirty minutes until we get to find out if we’re really dumb enough to elect David Vitter to anything, along with other assorted lower life forms. Yes, it’s Election Night in Louisiana!

Unfortunately, it’s LA. I think we all know what’s going to happen.

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Skip Intro  Oct 24, 2015 • 5:32:54pm

re: #129 Brian J.

Thirty minutes until we get to find out if we’re really dumb enough to elect David Vitter to anything, along with other assorted lower life forms. Yes, it’s Election Night in Louisiana!

Louisiana? Hell yeah, he’s in!

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Feline Fearless Leader  Oct 24, 2015 • 5:33:06pm

re: #120 Great White Snark

I cut the shelter serial number collar off and named that cat Cinnamon, by way of personality- bright curious confidence. Little exotic but really very approachable.

Pepper and Cinnamon. Got a theme going.

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SteveMcGaziBolaGate  Oct 24, 2015 • 5:33:33pm

re: #127 William Lewis

I would be fine with that. My thing is just if you’re going to play the song, play the song. If you don’t want to play the song, don’t play it. I simply don’t care for taking something familiar (and loved) and distorting it beyond recognition; play a different song instead. It shouldn’t be that complicated.

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WhatEVs  Oct 24, 2015 • 5:34:34pm

re: #130 teleskiguy

How terrifying is it that people actually believe that. I mean really think about it. People believe.

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Eric The Fruit Bat  Oct 24, 2015 • 5:35:30pm

re: #122 SteveMcGaziBolaGate

The Abrhamic religions have a metric shit-ton to answer for.

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Brian J.  Oct 24, 2015 • 5:35:56pm

The sad thing is that we have a lot of the reforms that people would like to see in our election system to make things run better- no midterm elections (all Representatives and Senators serve four-year terms with three-term limits), elections on Saturdays, online registration. Sadly, we haven’t found a way to fix racist stupidity. Where’s Huey Long when you need him?

Actually, there’s good reason to hope the Democrats can win the Governor’s race in the runoff four weeks from now, but otherwise, yech.

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The Ghost of the Beardsman  Oct 24, 2015 • 5:36:23pm

re: #134 Feline Fearless Leader

Mace, Nutmeg, Paprika…okay, you could actually give a lot of cats a lot of cute name by dipping into the spice cabinet.

Except Asafoetida. While might be an apt name for a very specific cat, but is not very cute.

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Skip Intro  Oct 24, 2015 • 5:36:27pm

re: #136 WhatEVs

How terrifying is it that people actually believe that. I mean really think about it. People believe.

Those are your Fox “News”, Glenn Beck, Rush Limbaugh, and Alex Jones followers responding to the voices in their head.

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Charles Johnson  Oct 24, 2015 • 5:36:42pm

re: #130 teleskiguy

Breitbart “News” is doing their best to incite this kind of deranged xenophobia.

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SteveMcGaziBolaGate  Oct 24, 2015 • 5:36:49pm

re: #130 teleskiguy

It’s so hard for me to comprehend how some people go so hard for Trump (or really, any of that mob). I know a guy that I thought was smart (he’s an educated man) and he’s all in for Trump. It just blows my mind.

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SteveMcGaziBolaGate  Oct 24, 2015 • 5:37:53pm

re: #137 Eric The Fruit Bat

The Abrhamic religions have a metric shit-ton to answer for.

And for that you singled out Moses’ mother.

Brilliant//

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Amory Blaine  Oct 24, 2015 • 5:38:46pm

My lobbying for a downdinger lock has failed. I have brought shame to the group.

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Varek Raith  Oct 24, 2015 • 5:39:49pm

Here’s a simple rule for changing the past;
Don’t.

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Eric The Fruit Bat  Oct 24, 2015 • 5:40:11pm

re: #124 Varek Raith

If eliminating Modes did not eliminate to publications of the Old Testament, Tew Tesatment, the Torah, The KIbutens, The Quran, the Sharia and the Hadiths maybe we wouldn’t be in the mess we’re in now, would we?

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ObserverArt  Oct 24, 2015 • 5:40:48pm

re: #145 Varek Raith

Here’s a simple rule for changing the past;
Don’t.

Even more practical.

You can’t.

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The Ghost of the Beardsman  Oct 24, 2015 • 5:41:06pm

re: #145 Varek Raith

Can’t would also be an acceptable answer.

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teleskiguy  Oct 24, 2015 • 5:41:34pm
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jaunte  Oct 24, 2015 • 5:42:02pm

I’ve been out in the country this weekend and missed the announcement that we discovered practical time travel.

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Varek Raith  Oct 24, 2015 • 5:42:11pm

re: #146 Eric The Fruit Bat

If eliminating Modes did not eliminate to publications of the Old Testament, Tew Tesatment, the Torah, The KIbutens, The Quran, the Sharia and the Hadiths maybe we wouldn’t be in the mess we’re in now, would we?

Or, you may make it worse.
While interesting to theorycraft, sci-fi time travel has way too many variables to mess with lightly.

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Varek Raith  Oct 24, 2015 • 5:42:46pm

re: #148 The Ghost of the Beardsman

Can’t would also be an acceptable answer.

To you humans, sure.

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Varek Raith  Oct 24, 2015 • 5:43:28pm

re: #150 jaunte

I’ve been out in the country this weekend and missed the announcement that we discovered practical time travel.

Hell of a weekend, eh???

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The War TARDIS  Oct 24, 2015 • 5:43:39pm
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Skip Intro  Oct 24, 2015 • 5:44:33pm

re: #150 jaunte

I’ve been out in the country this weekend and missed the announcement that we discovered practical time travel.

That’s old news. We’ve known about it since it was proven that Obama traveled back in time to plant his fake birth announcements in Hawaiian papers. Just ask any birther for details.

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Varek Raith  Oct 24, 2015 • 5:45:21pm

re: #147 ObserverArt

Even more practical.

You can’t.

You mean none of you had arguments with your friends about time travel and the like?
Ya’ll are weird!
;)

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Targetpractice  Oct 24, 2015 • 5:47:02pm

Can’t kill baby Hitler, his existence is a fixed-point in history.

//

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The Ghost of the Beardsman  Oct 24, 2015 • 5:47:20pm

re: #146 Eric The Fruit Bat

Honestly…no…since it’s unlikely there was one dude that during his lifetime actually launched the ritual and scriptural traditions. Culture inevitably incorporates endless back-filling, taking complex anthropological processes and converted them into simple narratives.

Secondly, there’s no guarantee that what would form instead would be better, or even different.

Abrahamic religion did not spring from virgin soil, fully formed. It alloyed stuff from other Levantine traditions, as well as Babylonian ones, and then over the course of history, was influenced by diffusion.

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Varek Raith  Oct 24, 2015 • 5:48:25pm

All I’m saying is that I’ve seen enough Star Trek to know that time travel is not to be trifled with.
/

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jaunte  Oct 24, 2015 • 5:48:34pm
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Brian J.  Oct 24, 2015 • 5:49:06pm

re: #159 Varek Raith

All I’m saying is that I’ve seen enough Star Trek to know that time travel is not to be trifled with.
/

“There’s no future in time travel.”

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Targetpractice  Oct 24, 2015 • 5:49:29pm

re: #159 Varek Raith

All I’m saying is that I’ve seen enough Star Trek to know that time travel is not to be trifled with.
/

Yeah, things haven’t been the same since that crazed Romulan came back in time and blew up Vulcan.

//

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ObserverArt  Oct 24, 2015 • 5:49:30pm

re: #155 Skip Intro

That’s old news. We’ve known about it since it was proven that Obama traveled back in time to plant his fake birth announcements in Hawaiian papers. Just ask any birther for details.

Time Bandits…running around through old access holes the creator used to build the world. Cheaters with a stolen map!

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jaunte  Oct 24, 2015 • 5:50:35pm

re: #157 Targetpractice

Can’t kill baby Hitler, his existence is a fixed-point in history.

//

Not to mention there were plenty of replacement baby Hitlers in line.

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The Ghost of the Beardsman  Oct 24, 2015 • 5:50:52pm

But seriously, why not travel back in time and taste the spice sylphion, which the Romans craved so bad they harvested it to extinction?

That’s like half a Doctor Who story right there.

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SteveMcGaziBolaGate  Oct 24, 2015 • 5:50:56pm

re: #146 Eric The Fruit Bat

If eliminating Modes did not eliminate to publications of the Old Testament, Tew Tesatment, the Torah, The KIbutens, The Quran, the Sharia and the Hadiths maybe we wouldn’t be in the mess we’re in now, would we?

Did it ever occur to you that it isn’t the religion, but the people using the religion to justify their actions? If you think about the “mess we’re in now”, you might realize that we’ve had bigger messes in the past. When the Spanish came to the New World and conquered and spread disease and converted people to Christianity at swordpoint, it’s likely that they (or the English if they had gotten there first) would have done so no matter what they’re religion was.
Religion is created by people, not the other way around. Therefore the religion doesn’t have anything to answer for, people have stuff to answer for.

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Skip Intro  Oct 24, 2015 • 5:51:23pm

So heading into another slow Saturday night I give you Orly Taitz’s latest video.

Warning. The audio is really poor so be sure to turn on the subtitles. For even more fun, turn on the translate to English option.

Orly Taitz #AskSean question for Sean Hannity

Another quality Taitz presentation for your enjoyment.

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Varek Raith  Oct 24, 2015 • 5:51:34pm

re: #162 Targetpractice

Yeah, things haven’t been the same since that crazed Romulan came back in time and blew up Vulcan.

//

Funny how that changed how time travel worked in the Trek universe.
Until that movie, it all existed in your universe.
Now? You split time at a branch while your other one proceeds ‘normally’.
The Voyage Home never would’ve happened.

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Belafon  Oct 24, 2015 • 5:52:12pm

Was there ever another time when the people of a nation were scared by conspiracy theories into thinking that violence against their neighbors was the only solution?

Yes, and they never ended well.

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SteveMcGaziBolaGate  Oct 24, 2015 • 5:52:13pm

re: #161 Brian J.

“There’s no future in time travel.”

Didn’t Yogi Berra say that?

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Targetpractice  Oct 24, 2015 • 5:53:14pm

re: #168 Varek Raith

Funny how that changed how time travel worked in the Trek universe.
Until that movie, it all existed in your universe.
Now? You split time at a branch while your other one proceeds ‘normally’.

Well, not entirely, Trek has dealt again and again with the idea of multiple universes. Hell, there’s likely a mirror universe version of the Abramsverse. It’s just that, for the sake of storytelling, everything we’re seeing now is happening in a totally different timeline that split off in 2233.

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Feline Fearless Leader  Oct 24, 2015 • 5:53:25pm

re: #146 Eric The Fruit Bat

If eliminating Modes did not eliminate to publications of the Old Testament, Tew Tesatment, the Torah, The KIbutens, The Quran, the Sharia and the Hadiths maybe we wouldn’t be in the mess we’re in now, would we?

I personally doubt it. Humans have their share of power hungry assholes who will simply twist whatever cultural philosophy or religion that is out there to their own ends regardless of its base tenets.

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Stuff Happens  Oct 24, 2015 • 5:53:40pm

re: #167 Skip Intro

So heading into another slow Saturday night I give you Orly Taitz’s latest video.

Warning. The audio is really poor so be sure to turn on the subtitles. For even more fun, turn on the translate to English option.

[Embedded content]

Another quality Taitz presentation for your enjoyment.

Not enough drugs on the planet to make me view.

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Varek Raith  Oct 24, 2015 • 5:53:59pm

re: #171 Targetpractice

Well, not entirely, Trek has dealt again and again with the idea of multiple universes. Hell, there’s likely a mirror universe version of the Abramsverse. It’s just that, for the sake of storytelling, everything we’re seeing now is happening in a totally different timeline that split off in 2233.

What a nice way to say ‘RETCON!’
/:P

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SteveMcGaziBolaGate  Oct 24, 2015 • 5:54:19pm

re: #169 Belafon

Was there ever another time when the people of a nation were scared by conspiracy theories into thinking that violence against their neighbors was the only solution?

Yes, and they never ended well.

Get them before they get you. BTW, I think there would have been a WW2 with or without a Hitler. Germany and the Soviet Union were incompatible, and would have gone to war anyway.

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Charles Johnson  Oct 24, 2015 • 5:55:34pm
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Varek Raith  Oct 24, 2015 • 5:56:00pm

re: #175 SteveMcGaziBolaGate

Get them before they get you. BTW, I think there would have been a WW2 with or without a Hitler. Germany and the Soviet Union were incompatible, and would have gone to war anyway.

Red Alert plot right there.
Einstein went back in time to kill Hitler. This left the SU unchecked and triggered WWII anyway.

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Targetpractice  Oct 24, 2015 • 5:56:17pm

re: #174 Varek Raith

What a nice way to say ‘RETCON!’
/:P

Nah, a retcon would be saying “Remember that history that you used to remember? It never happened.” This is JJ going “This is my special playhouse! If you want the one you remember, it’s over there.”

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Feline Fearless Leader  Oct 24, 2015 • 5:56:21pm

re: #163 ObserverArt

Time Bandits…running around through old access holes the creator used to build the world. Cheaters with a stolen map!

God isn’t interested in technology

David Warner as Evil. Brilliant.

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Varek Raith  Oct 24, 2015 • 5:57:08pm

re: #178 Targetpractice

Nah, a retcon would be saying “Remember that history that you used to remember? It never happened.” This is JJ going “This is my special playhouse! If you want the one you remember, it’s over there.”

I’m still trying to deal with his Trek stuff.
In time, perhaps I’ll accept it.
XD

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SteveMcGaziBolaGate  Oct 24, 2015 • 5:58:20pm

re: #177 Varek Raith

I was headed in a different direction. Hitler had enough “willing executioners” that some other German guy would have gone Donald Trump on their asses and whipped up the
‘anti-other” fury.

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Eric The Fruit Bat  Oct 24, 2015 • 5:59:19pm

re: #166 SteveMcGaziBolaGate

You’re also forgetting that the Arabs also had their dealings with the Spaniards and succeeded quite nicely to spread their influence.

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Varek Raith  Oct 24, 2015 • 5:59:43pm

re: #181 SteveMcGaziBolaGate

I was headed in a different direction. Hitler had enough “willing executioners” that some other German guy would have gone Donald Trump on their asses and whipped up the
‘anti-other” fury.

Ain’t time travel discussions fun?
:)

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Targetpractice  Oct 24, 2015 • 6:00:18pm

re: #180 Varek Raith

I’m still trying to deal with his Trek stuff.
In time, perhaps I’ll accept it.
XD

The comics help. They’ve been doing a lot to help deal with the little questions, like how major TOS plots would work out in this new universe.

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Varek Raith  Oct 24, 2015 • 6:00:48pm
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Nojay UK  Oct 24, 2015 • 6:00:59pm

re: #145 Varek Raith

Here’s a simple rule for changing the past;
Don’t.

See “Thus We Frustrate Charlemagne” by R. A. Lafferty (excellent story, heckuva funny). Go back in time, change the past, how do you know you’ve succeeded? So you try again. And again. And again.

‘Push the button, Epikt!’ Diogenes barked. ‘I think I missed part of it. Let’s try again.’
‘Oh, no, no!’ Valery forbade. ‘Not again. That way is rump of skunk and madness.’

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SteveMcGaziBolaGate  Oct 24, 2015 • 6:02:35pm

re: #182 Eric The Fruit Bat

You’re also forgetting that the Arabs also had their dealings with the Spaniards and succeeded quite nicely to spread their influence.

You lost me. Did the Spanish send Arabs to South America or something?

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Targetpractice  Oct 24, 2015 • 6:02:37pm

One of my favorite alt-history series is one that leaves Hitler alive…and instead drops a 21st century UN naval taskforce in 1942, on the eve of the Battle of Midway.

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BeenHereAwhile  Oct 24, 2015 • 6:04:35pm

re: #59 ObserverArt

There is a Pretenders concert shown on Palladia where she is wearing eyeliner and it does run down her face. But she doesn’t look like Alice Cooper, she looks pretty good for the 60 year old (show is a few years old) rocker she is.

And, I’ll take Chrissie’s music over Henley for my tastes. Never have been a big Don Henely fan.

Even this Don Henely ballad?

“Remember when the days were long
And rolled beneath a deep blue sky
Didn’t have a care in the world
With mommy and daddy standin’ by
But “happily ever after” fails
And we’ve been poisoned by these fairy tales
The lawyers dwell on small details
Since daddy had to fly

But I know a place where we can go
That’s still untouched by men
We’ll sit and watch the clouds roll by
And the tall grass wave in the wind
You can lay your head back on the ground
And let your hair fall all around me
Offer up your best defense
But this is the end
This is the end of the innocence

O’ beautiful, for spacious skies
But now those skies are threatening
They’re beating plowshares into swords
For this tired old man that we elected king
Armchair warriors often fail
And we’ve been poisoned by these fairy tales
The lawyers clean up all details
Since daddy had to lie.[…]”

Don Henely

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Charles Johnson  Oct 24, 2015 • 6:05:52pm

If you went back in time and killed Hitler, you might return to a horribly different 2015 in which Russia became a massive superpower unchecked by Nazi Germany, and took over the world.

Just sayin’. Time travel’s no simple matter.

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Nojay UK  Oct 24, 2015 • 6:06:30pm

re: #188 Targetpractice

One of my favorite alt-history series is one that leaves Hitler alive…and instead drops a 21st century UN naval taskforce in 1942, on the eve of the Battle of Midway.

The Japanese manga (and later an anime series) “Zipang” puts a single Japanese Maritime Defense Forces Aegis cruiser in the same place and time. They try very hard not to kill anyone, but…

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Varek Raith  Oct 24, 2015 • 6:07:22pm
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William Lewis  Oct 24, 2015 • 6:07:38pm

re: #181 SteveMcGaziBolaGate

I was headed in a different direction. Hitler had enough “willing executioners” that some other German guy would have gone Donald Trump on their asses and whipped up the ‘anti-other” fury.

Consider Reinhard Heydrich. In a Germany sans Hitler, he could well have become the Fuhrer instead and been, arguably, worse for the world.

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b_sharp  Oct 24, 2015 • 6:08:06pm

re: #190 Charles Johnson

If you went back in time and killed Hitler, you might return to a horribly different 2015 in which Russia became a massive superpower unchecked by Nazi Germany, and took over the world.

Just sayin’. Time travel’s no simple matter.

If you went back & killed Hitler, the sequence of events leading up to the invention of time travel may not have occurred so you didn’t go back to kill Hitler so the sequence of events did happen…

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The Ghost of the Beardsman  Oct 24, 2015 • 6:08:54pm

re: #190 Charles Johnson

If you went back in time and killed Hitler, you might return to a horribly different 2015 in which Russia became a massive superpower unchecked by Nazi Germany, and took over the world.

Just sayin’. Time travel’s no simple matter.

Given that Hitler was part of a movement, and his ideas were not 100% original, simplest danger of time travel would be killing Hitler, resulting in “more competent Hitler.”

Like Martin Bormann.

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Charles Johnson  Oct 24, 2015 • 6:08:58pm

Imagine a world in which Chuck Johnson brought baby Hitler back to 2015 and raised him as his own child, in Fresno.

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Nojay UK  Oct 24, 2015 • 6:09:17pm

re: #190 Charles Johnson

If you went back in time and killed Hitler, you might return to a horribly different 2015 in which Russia became a massive superpower unchecked by Nazi Germany, and took over the world.

Or you went back in time and helped the Soviet Union to defeat Hitler with Lend Lease and arranging an alliance between Roosevelt, Churchill and Stalin and you return to 2015 to find the US has become a massive superpower and has taken over the world.

Oh.

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SteveMcGaziBolaGate  Oct 24, 2015 • 6:09:23pm

re: #190 Charles Johnson

I’ve argued in the past that while the Soviet Union would have defeated Germany whether or not we launched the D-Day invasion, the end result of that invasion was that the Iron Curtain was in Germany instead of the French coast.

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Varek Raith  Oct 24, 2015 • 6:10:05pm

re: #196 Charles Johnson

Imagine a world in which Chuck Johnson brought baby Hitler back to 2015 and raised him as his own child, in Fresno.

That…
Sounds like a sitcom.

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jaunte  Oct 24, 2015 • 6:10:40pm

re: #199 Varek Raith

Written by Philip K. Dick.

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Skip Intro  Oct 24, 2015 • 6:10:57pm

re: #199 Varek Raith

Shitter and Shitler. On CBS this spring.

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BlueSpotinAL  Oct 24, 2015 • 6:10:59pm

re: #196 Charles Johnson

Imagine a world in which Chuck Johnson brought baby Hitler back to 2015 and raised him as his own child, in Fresno.

Would Twitter cancel Hitler’s account?

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Brian J.  Oct 24, 2015 • 6:11:02pm

First 25 parishes have reported their absentee ballots: Edwards (D) 37%, Scott Angelle (R) 25%, Vitter (R) 22%.

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Feline Fearless Leader  Oct 24, 2015 • 6:11:09pm

re: #195 The Ghost of the Beardsman

Given that Hitler was part of a movement, and his ideas were not 100% original, simplest danger of time travel would be killing Hitler, resulting in “more competent Hitler.”

Like Martin Bormann.

There’s a SF story where someone goes back in time and *does* assassinate Hitler. So the Nazi Party has to bring out and use his double, who also happens to be a little bit unstable.

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Targetpractice  Oct 24, 2015 • 6:11:31pm

re: #195 The Ghost of the Beardsman

Given that Hitler was part of a movement, and his ideas were not 100% original, simplest danger of time travel would be killing Hitler, resulting in “more competent Hitler.”

Like Martin Bormann.

Of course, it’s also possible that any replacement for Hitler might have been a far more sane fellow, who would have settled for a stronger Germany who been able to restrict himself to moves that would increase Germany’s power without antagonizing the rest of rest of Europe.

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Varek Raith  Oct 24, 2015 • 6:11:43pm

re: #194 b_sharp

If you went back & killed Hitler, the sequence of events leading up to the invention of time travel may not have occurred so you didn’t go back to kill Hitler so the sequence of events did happen…

Two words;
Temporal shields.

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BeenHereAwhile  Oct 24, 2015 • 6:12:17pm

re: #78 Reality Based Steve

Well I’ve got to go pack some gear up. Our Public Safety Dive Team class is having a simulated “real world” mission tomorrow. They will be chilling at the shop, a call will come in about a car that went into the river. They are going to have to locate the site, evaluate, gear up and execute to discover the vehicle and recover anybody on board (mannequins, I drew the line at being a rescue dummy).

I’ll be acting as dispatcher initially, then kicking into JAFO (Just Another Freaking Observer), along with documenting and photographing everything for later analysis.

I won’t be diving, but was told “bring your gear, just in case something goes bad”. I’m 100% confident that it won’t get wet, this is one time I don’t want to have to jump in.

RBS

Currents, especially river currents are a bitch.

Ain’t no slack times in a river between tides.

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Eric The Fruit Bat  Oct 24, 2015 • 6:12:25pm

re: #187 SteveMcGaziBolaGate

You never have heard of the term of “Arab Spain”?

Ya might want to look it up.

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Varek Raith  Oct 24, 2015 • 6:15:13pm

re: #208 Eric The Fruit Bat

You never have heard of the term of “Arab Spain”?

Ya might want to look it up.

Your entire premise assumes that anything that took the place of those religions would better.
Why?

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SteveMcGaziBolaGate  Oct 24, 2015 • 6:19:20pm

re: #208 Eric The Fruit Bat

I really can not figure out what you meant by the Spaniards spreading Arab influence. I’m well aware that the Arabs invaded Spain, but what you’re not clear about whether you’re saying the Spaniards spread Arab influence (which wouldn’t make sense) or the Arabs somehow got the Spaniards to somehow spread their influence unwittingly. It’s sort of a departure from how the religions have stuff to answer for because now you’re talking about Spaniards and Arabs instead of Christians and Muslims.

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KGxvi  Oct 24, 2015 • 6:19:50pm

My favorite is the twilight zone (I think) episode where someone goes back to kill baby hitler, only his caretaker steals another baby after its done, so the replacement baby grows up to be hitler.

The hitler paradox is one of the most interesting time travel questions. There are some people/events that are so important to history that you can’t undo them - they are fixed points (to use Doctor Who language). Much more interesting, I think than the butterfly effect

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BeenHereAwhile  Oct 24, 2015 • 6:19:52pm

re: #99 ObserverArt

I was a huge Genesis fan back in the 70s when Peter Gabriel was still creating that special magic he did with the band. In ‘75 they played Columbus in a concert billed as The Lamb Lies Down on Broadway and Select Favorites. Articles said the tour was the band doing the full double-album ‘opera’ Lamb Lies Down and then a break and the band would come out and do another 45 minutes to an hour of their classics. Sounded good to me. That meant almost 2 1/2 hours of music.

Well, they did all of Lamb Lies Down and the audience was accepting, but not really all that into it as the applause were light no big bursts, etc. The band really knocked themselves out on a hugely complicated presentation, way beyond a concert. But folks were not that familiar with the album yet and it was a different sound for Genesis, so everyone really sat on their hands.

The band took a break, they cleaned some of the elaborate sets off stage and set up more as a band. They came back out and did “Musical Box” probably one of their most loved and recognizable songs. They audience went nuts, it was as if they were happy they finally got some Genesis.

You could almost see the shock and disappointment in Peter Gabriel’s face. They had just done this new big show and got not much feedback, they do a song everyone knows and they go nuts. Peter turned and walked off stage. The band kind of looked at one another and followed. That was the show. The audience was a little stunned, I guess expecting some more real Genesis.

It was shortly announced Gabriel was out of the band.

The Wiki page on Genesis…

I think Cleveland was a few nights after their show in Columbus. As it says int he Wiki bit, Tony Banks may have been glad Pete left. Peter seemed to do pretty good on his own too after that.

The music biz…

It must have been a misunderstanding.

It must have been some kind of mistake…

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SteveMcGaziBolaGate  Oct 24, 2015 • 6:21:49pm

re: #212 BeenHereAwhile

Could you imagine Peter Gabriel being a member of the band that recorded “Paperlate”?

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Brian J.  Oct 24, 2015 • 6:22:14pm

47/ 64 parishes with absentee ballots, but most of the big ones aren’t reporting yet (New Orleans, Caddo, Bossier, Ouachita). Vitter’s peeked just ahead of Angelle for second place in the runoff.

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Charles Johnson  Oct 24, 2015 • 6:23:10pm
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jaunte  Oct 24, 2015 • 6:23:55pm
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William Lewis  Oct 24, 2015 • 6:33:12pm

re: #213 SteveMcGaziBolaGate

Could you imagine Peter Gabriel being a member of the band that recorded “Paperlate”?

I would happily never have had the existence of Genesis before or after Peter Gabriel so long as the three self titled Peter Gabriel albums existed. More great music on those three records than anything he did before or since.

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Pawn of the Oppressor  Oct 24, 2015 • 6:35:11pm

re: #198 SteveMcGaziBolaGate

I’ve argued in the past that while the Soviet Union would have defeated Germany whether or not we launched the D-Day invasion, the end result of that invasion was that the Iron Curtain was in Germany instead of the French coast.

Letting the Soviets have Europe… Wow… That’s a mind-fck to ponder. The UK really would have been “Airstrip One” in the Orwellian sense. The tide of refugees from Europe would have been enormous. Anti-communist paranoia over here in the U.S. would have been off the scale. Everybody to the left of Genghis Khan would have been under a microscope and I suspect a lot of leftist parties overseas would have welcomed a Soviet France. Imagine all the left-wing parties in Europe being not a marginal minority, but a real power bloc backed by the guys who owned the whole continent?

Nuclear war would have probably broken out VERY soon after the defeat of Germany, at the first sign of even the smallest crisis. World War 2 would probably have segued right into what we would now call WW3 almost immediately and to be honest, I’m not sure the West would have won it.

The whole world would have probably ended up looking something like Europe in the 1300s… Imagine weird post-limited-nuclear fiefdoms living in fear or cooperation with the Soviets as the dominant power, and little pockets of capitalism trying to survive here and there. Who would lead the non-Communist states? Argentina?

I’ve heard now and again that Patton thought we should have kept on going east and fought the Russians once Germany was cleared out. I know the sentiment existed but the possible consequences would have made today’s world a paradise by comparison.

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Brian J.  Oct 24, 2015 • 6:36:19pm

First precinct from my parish is in. Edward 116 votes, Vitter 9, Angelle 7.

Don’t get excited. We’ve got a lot of nearly 100% black precincts in South Monroe and Richland.

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Brian J.  Oct 24, 2015 • 6:37:36pm

re: #218 Pawn of the Oppressor

I’ve heard now and again that Patton thought we should have kept on going east and fought the Russians once Germany was cleared out. I know the sentiment existed but the possible consequences would have made today’s world a paradise by comparison.

I have a hard time believing that Patton didn’t know that the Red Army would crush his Third Army like an empty beer can.

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Targetpractice  Oct 24, 2015 • 6:37:43pm

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WhatEVs  Oct 24, 2015 • 6:37:48pm

re: #203 Brian J.

First 25 parishes have reported their absentee ballots: Edwards (D) 37%, Scott Angelle (R) 25%, Vitter (R) 22%.

Split that vote!!

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Charles Johnson  Oct 24, 2015 • 6:39:03pm
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Eric The Fruit Bat  Oct 24, 2015 • 6:39:27pm

re: #209 Varek Raith

Moses is a key figure in all three belief systems.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Oct 24, 2015 • 6:40:09pm

re: #224 Eric The Fruit Bat

This statement fails to answer the question he asked in any way, shape, or form.

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ObserverArt  Oct 24, 2015 • 6:42:02pm

re: #217 William Lewis

I would happily never have had the existence of Genesis before or after Peter Gabriel so long as the three self titled Peter Gabriel albums existed. More great music on those three records than anything he did before or since.

I can certainly understand your opinion.

The reason I liked Genesis with Gabriel was the live shows. They were like no other band doing theatrics with their music. Gabriel could be a mind-fucking performer and at the core of their music was a tough band that roared live. I don’t think their albums did them the justice their live shows showed. Steve Hackett (guitar) was amazing live. Phil Collins one heck of a drummer too. They rocked behind the show.

But yeah, Peter had one hell of a career beyond Genesis.

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The Vicious Babushka  Oct 24, 2015 • 6:42:08pm

re: #223 Charles Johnson

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That is beyond fucked up.

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Pawn of the Oppressor  Oct 24, 2015 • 6:42:49pm

re: #220 Brian J.

I have a hard time believing that Patton didn’t know that the Red Army would crush his Third Army like an empty beer can.

I agree, with the asterisk that the man was apparently a bit of a psychopath. Andy Rooney’s “My War” was the first I memoir I ever read that openly criticized Patton. I haven’t looked at him the same way since.

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William Lewis  Oct 24, 2015 • 6:43:15pm

re: #220 Brian J.

I have a hard time believing that Patton didn’t know that the Red Army would crush his Third Army like an empty beer can.

Very very very few in the West understood the strength of the Red Army in 1945. Patton really had the fantasy that he’d be able to keep rolling East, never mind that the US public would have been aghast at attacking our erstwhile allies, that our military was exhausted and terrified by the prospect of Operation Olympic starting in November of 1945 or that we had no armor capable of standing up to that of the Red Army.

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Eric The Fruit Bat  Oct 24, 2015 • 6:43:21pm

re: #224 Eric The Fruit Bat

It does, but you do not wan to accept it. Moses is referenced in OT, NT and Quran. Your failure to understand the contents of religious texts isn’t my problem.

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Bird in the Paw  Oct 24, 2015 • 6:44:07pm

re: #98 Backwoods_Sleuth

UpChuck would have adopted the babby hitler because all lives are precious…
(srsly…he said that on his FB page.)

I made the mistake of reading it on goatnews, now I am unclean. shudder

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SteveMcGaziBolaGate  Oct 24, 2015 • 6:44:16pm

re: #220 Brian J.

500 Shermans against an equal number of T34s would have been ugly. Our side would have a slight advantage in airpower and mobility, but we had a second front problem.

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William Lewis  Oct 24, 2015 • 6:44:55pm

re: #221 Targetpractice

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Oh, amen. I far prefer working night shift. Putting away laundry, doing audit & making breakfast is so much more easy than dealing with the guests…

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The Vicious Babushka  Oct 24, 2015 • 6:45:21pm

How about traveling back in time to offer Hitler’s mother birth control options?

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Oct 24, 2015 • 6:45:56pm

re: #230 Eric The Fruit Bat

I’m assuming this was meant in reply to me, but no. What he asked is, to paraphrase slightly, why are you making the assumption that having these three religions in particular out of the picture would result in something better taking their place?

Your statement categorically fails to address this at all.

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plansbandc  Oct 24, 2015 • 6:47:58pm

re: #19 Charles Johnson

Gorgeous!

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William Lewis  Oct 24, 2015 • 6:48:09pm

re: #232 SteveMcGaziBolaGate

500 Shermans against an equal number of T34s would have been ugly. Our side would have a slight advantage in airpower and mobility, but we had a second front problem.

Those would have been T34/85’s by then. With lots of JS-II & JS-III in support. And the T-44 (almost the same thing as the T-54 would be) almost ready to start coming off the assembly line.

It would have made the destruction of Army Group Center in Operation Bagration look like a picnic.

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Brian J.  Oct 24, 2015 • 6:48:56pm

Most parishes are now in with early votes, and about 4% of regular precincts are in. Edwards 39%, Vitter 24, Angelle 20.

In the Lieutenant Governor race, Billy Nungesser (R) leads Kip Holden (D) by 1%, who leads John Young (R) by four votes. Out of over 200,000.

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Pawn of the Oppressor  Oct 24, 2015 • 6:49:12pm

Not to mention numbers. Where the hell would we get the people for an Eastern Front meat grinder that had just consumed the Nazis? The U.S. was scraping the bottom of the manpower barrel at the end of the war. How would that be sold to the people? “Sure we’re out of money and men, but we’ll take Moscow from those dirty Commies and be home by Christmas”? o_O

I understand the hate for that system - I really do - and the world would have been saved from a lot of pain if the USSR had collapsed in 1951 instead of 1991, but it just was not possible.

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WhatEVs  Oct 24, 2015 • 6:49:59pm

re: #238 Brian J.

Most parishes are now in with early votes, and about 4% of regular precincts are in. Edwards 39%, Vitter 24, Angelle 20.

In the Lieutenant Governor race, Billy Nungesser (R) leads Kip Holden (D) by 1%, who leads John Young (R) by four votes. Out of over 200,000.

What’s the requirement? First to pass 50%?

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Targetpractice  Oct 24, 2015 • 6:50:07pm

re: #239 Pawn of the Oppressor

Not to mention numbers. Where the hell would we get the people for an Eastern Front meat grinder that had just consumed the Nazis? The U.S. was scraping the bottom of the manpower barrel at the end of the war. How would that be sold to the people? “Sure we’re out of money and men, but we’ll take Moscow from those dirty Commies and be home by Christmas”? o_O

I understand the hate for that system - I really do - and the world would have been saved from a lot of pain if the USSR had collapsed in 1951 instead of 1991, but it just was not possible.

Part of Patton’s plan, as I understand it, was to rearm and reprovision the Wehrmacht, then effectively leash them to the US Army in order to make war on the USSR.

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Brian J.  Oct 24, 2015 • 6:50:52pm

re: #240 WhatEVs

What’s the requirement? First to pass 50%?

Yep. Fifty percent plus one and you’re in, otherwise top two candidates go to a runoff on Saturday, November 21.

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WhatEVs  Oct 24, 2015 • 6:51:28pm

re: #242 Brian J.

Yep. Fifty percent plus one and you’re in, otherwise top two candidates go to a runoff on Saturday, November 21.

Think it’ll happen without a running off?

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BeenHereAwhile  Oct 24, 2015 • 6:51:31pm

re: #213 SteveMcGaziBolaGate

Could you imagine Peter Gabriel being a member of the band that recorded “Paperlate”?

Absolutely.

(No snark intended)

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The Vicious Babushka  Oct 24, 2015 • 6:51:36pm

re: #241 Targetpractice

Part of Patton’s plan, as I understand it, was to rearm and reprovision the Wehrmacht, then effectively leash them to the US Army in order to make war on the USSR.

What could possibly go wrong?

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Eric The Fruit Bat  Oct 24, 2015 • 6:52:34pm

re: #235 klys (maker of Silmarils)

You are asking a hypothetical question for which there is no answer, as history has passed on and left us with the scenario we are presented with.

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Brian J.  Oct 24, 2015 • 6:52:50pm

re: #243 WhatEVs

Think it’ll happen without a running off?

The governor’s race will definitely need a runoff. The question is whether Angelle/ Dardenne voters will be so wedded to the (R) that they’ll overlook Vitter’s issues, which he seems determined to add to. Polls say they won’t, but we’ll see.

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Eventual Carrion  Oct 24, 2015 • 6:53:15pm

re: #239 Pawn of the Oppressor

Not to mention numbers. Where the hell would we get the people for an Eastern Front meat grinder that had just consumed the Nazis? The U.S. was scraping the bottom of the manpower barrel at the end of the war. How would that be sold to the people? “Sure we’re out of money and men, but we’ll take Moscow from those dirty Commies and be home by Christmas”? o_O

[snip]

Or enough people to defend our country’s western border with Russia.

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SteveMcGaziBolaGate  Oct 24, 2015 • 6:55:52pm

re: #234 The Vicious Babushka

Give her an aspirin tablet//

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ObserverArt  Oct 24, 2015 • 6:59:00pm

I worry about killing Hitlers.

I think it would be nice to kill off some of the very Hitler-like thinking that comes from some of the Republican politicians. Trump especially. Not saying he is a fascist, but sometimes he seems to use the tools.

That is something we can all help do in real time.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Oct 24, 2015 • 7:03:23pm

re: #246 Eric The Fruit Bat

…says the person who proposed killing Moses’s mother while she was pregnant in order to prevent the Abrahamic religions from coming about. OKAY then.

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Brian J.  Oct 24, 2015 • 7:05:47pm

Up to 29% of precincts reporting, and Vitter’s lead for second place ahead of Angelle is slipping. Now just 1%,or 4,000 votes out of 425,000.

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Amory Blaine  Oct 24, 2015 • 7:07:30pm

Zardoz is the only One. Plus you get to wear cool red diapers and thigh high boots.

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ObserverArt  Oct 24, 2015 • 7:08:49pm

Later…see you in another time!

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Eric The Fruit Bat  Oct 24, 2015 • 7:10:56pm

re: #251 klys (maker of Silmarils)

When you consider the bloodshed that is inherit in the texts of the Abrahamic religions, had the Abrahamic texts not been created, which included death for trivial things to apostasy, to me that shounds like a win, No?

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Amory Blaine  Oct 24, 2015 • 7:13:40pm

You could go back and be his kindergarten teacher and teach Hitler to be nice to others.

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The Vicious Babushka  Oct 24, 2015 • 7:13:46pm

re: #255 Eric The Fruit Bat

When you consider the bloodshed that is inherit in the texts of the Abrahamic religions, had the Abrahamic texts not been created, which included death for trivial things to apostasy, to me that shounds like a win, No?

Draco’s Law
Code of Hammurabi

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Oct 24, 2015 • 7:15:29pm

re: #255 Eric The Fruit Bat

When you consider the bloodshed that is inherit in the texts of the Abrahamic religions, had the Abrahamic texts not been created, which included death for trivial things to apostasy, to me that shounds like a win, No?

Ok, you go back and kill Moses. I’m sure he should be easy to find, given the whole exodus from Egypt thing being historically validated and all.

///

On a more serious note, your whole situation starts from a hypothetical. I was unaware that someone asking you why you were making the assumption that what replaced it would be any better was a hypothetical too far.

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The Vicious Babushka  Oct 24, 2015 • 7:17:47pm
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Stanley Sea Toujours  Oct 24, 2015 • 7:21:30pm

Just got home & was able to listen to Don.

This is a beautiful song.

I’ma going to listen again.

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Reality Based Steve  Oct 24, 2015 • 7:21:34pm

Well Gang, I’m going to go read for a while, and then to sleep, perchance to dream. Here’s a closing thought for the nite.

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Romantic Heretic  Oct 24, 2015 • 7:35:49pm

re: #204 Feline Fearless Leader

There’s a SF story where someone goes back in time and *does* assassinate Hitler. So the Nazi Party has to bring out and use his double, who also happens to be a little bit unstable.

I remember that one. When the main character, a time traveler, showed up the police gathered him in with a, “We’ve got another one.”

They took all the time travellers to meet Hitler, who quietly talked to them. He made it clear he just wanted Germany working and peaceful and Nazism would be shucked as soon as Germany was back on its feet.

The main character was having none of that and shot Hitler.

So they bought in Hitler’s double whose first words were, “Enough of this peace shit. Soon as we’re able the world will fear us.”

When you fuck with time, time fucks back.

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Romantic Heretic  Oct 24, 2015 • 7:49:16pm

re: #228 Pawn of the Oppressor

I agree, with the asterisk that the man was apparently a bit of a psychopath. Andy Rooney’s “My War” was the first I memoir I ever read that openly criticized Patton. I haven’t looked at him the same way since.

First time I read anything negative about Patton was in the book Hit Hard, a history of the 761st Tank Regiment which was the first black tank regiment in the US Army.

At one point in the book Patton came to visit them. When he was done Sgt. ‘Big Tit’ Richardson remarked, “Did you see that Green Hornet? The way his eyeballs roll? That man is crazy!”

Very good book. Highly recommended.

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Eric The Fruit Bat  Oct 24, 2015 • 7:55:07pm
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sagehen  Oct 24, 2015 • 8:55:21pm

a whole thread full of Hitler-killers and not one of you brings up XKCD?

xkcd.com

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mroop  Oct 25, 2015 • 10:50:18am

re: #29 stpaulbear

A played with cold precision by a band that’s paid to hit everything just right with no surprises. Even with his guests.

I’m not sure when technical proficiency became a negative in popular music, I guess it was the punk rock movement. What you’re listening to is not “cold precision”, it’s players who know how to play their instruments well. Yes, there are no surprises because the band is playing it how they learned how to play it at their rehearsal sessions. That is what professional musicians do. Is a symphony orchestra playing with “cold precision” because they’re playing it how they’re supposed to play it? I don’t think so.

Don Henley is still packing the house almost 50 years later and will continue to do so until he drops dead. Easily one of the best singers of the rock era and one of the best songwriters as well. People will be listening to songs he wrote long after Bad Brains are forgotten, which they already are. I’m sure many punk rock musicians would agree unless they’re afraid to appear “uncool”.

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mroop  Oct 25, 2015 • 11:09:34am

And for the record, I’ve never paid to see the Eagles or Henley live. I own an Eagles hits collection and one Don Henley cd amongst a collection of about 5000 pieces of music. But when you hear those hits on the radio you have to acknowledge their brilliance, they are perfect pop songs and they will live forever. Henley is not the greatest human being from all reports, but damn can he write a pop tune.


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