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Charles Johnson  Oct 24, 2015 • 7:19:08pm

This is too gorgeous not to promote to the front page.

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Brian J.  Oct 24, 2015 • 7:25:06pm

Up to 61%of precincts. Edwards 38%, Vitter 23%, and Angelle 21%.

My former Congresscritter Vance McAllister is trying to make a comeback to the State Senate after humiliating himself by having an affair with an intern as soon as he won the special election in 2013 (and then firing the intern). He’s losing badly.

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teleskiguy  Oct 24, 2015 • 7:31:41pm
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The Vicious Babushka  Oct 24, 2015 • 7:32:32pm

re: #3 teleskiguy

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How often did they wash it?

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Stanley Sea Toujours  Oct 24, 2015 • 7:33:08pm

re: #2 Brian J.

Up to 61%of precincts. Edwards 38%, Vitter 23%, and Angelle 21%.

My former Congresscritter Vance McAllister is trying to make a comeback to the State Senate after humiliating himself by having an affair with an intern as soon as he won the special election in 2013 (and then firing the intern). He’s losing badly.

Lotta sex that was caught in LA.

It’s everywhere, they are just bad at the cover I guess.

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retired cynic  Oct 24, 2015 • 7:42:42pm

re: #4 The Vicious Babushka

I can tell you how they do those extra long horse tails that drag on the ground. They keep them quite clean, brushed out, and gently rolled up in a bag, so that the individual hairs don’t break. I doubt that anyone without plenty of personal maid service ever had an issue with really long hair!

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Brian J.  Oct 24, 2015 • 7:48:38pm

The AP has called it an Edwards vs. Vitter runoff in four weeks.

In the other statewide offices, we have Kip Holden probably losing to a Republican to be named for Lt. Governor, sane Rep Buddy Caldwell vs. Teahadi ex-Congressman Jeff Landry for AG, and Republicans winning all other statewide races.

In the state legislature, the GOP will probably gain two House seats when all is done (giving them a majority of about 61-42-2), and standing pat in the State Senate (ahead 26-13).

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teleskiguy  Oct 24, 2015 • 7:50:31pm

Mikaela took second in the first World Cup Slalom race this winter in Soelden, Austria. Go Mikaela!

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Stanley Sea Toujours  Oct 24, 2015 • 7:53:25pm

re: #3 teleskiguy

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Well since Pour me coffee has so many followers, I do not feel alone in viewing that fucked up fashion.

Gross

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dholmes32  Oct 24, 2015 • 7:54:34pm

re: #3 teleskiguy

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I had long hair to my hips from the mid-00s until I had it whacked off (and I do mean WHACKED) in September 2014. It would have been longer, but I regularly took a few inches off of it. I was so relieved when it came off. I felt like I’d had a bowling ball hanging from my head, it was so thick.

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SteveMcGaziBolaGate  Oct 24, 2015 • 7:59:50pm

re: #8 teleskiguy

The next time you show me tomorrow’s cover, it had better be the stock page, mkay?

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dholmes32  Oct 24, 2015 • 8:02:08pm

This article argues that the Seven Sutherland Sisters (and their insanely long hair) was the start of celebrity culture in the USA:

collectorsweekly.com

So we have YOU to thank for Kim Kardashian! Thanks so much…

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SteveMcGaziBolaGate  Oct 24, 2015 • 8:02:24pm

re: #10 dholmes32

I tried to grow my hair long, but I always wound up looking like Ronald McDonald. It drove me crazy. The amazing thing to me was the way my hair would curl the same exact way every time it grew back. I would have thought the curls would be more random.

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Barefoot Grin  Oct 24, 2015 • 8:02:39pm

I’m of the “Dazed and Confused” demographic. I so wanted to grow my hair longish for a guy and to feather it back. But after reaching a certain point, down-neck follicles with upward tendencies would start engage with the natural cascade of my hair. So I’d get this kind of thatch that would start growing out rather than down. I gave up on that, but gained some acclaim through my high school band (even without cool hair), and it taught me that hair doesn’t define you, which is pretty fortunate for me now, because if it did I would certainly lack definition.

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Kragar  Oct 24, 2015 • 8:05:02pm

re: #13 SteveMcGaziBolaGate

I tried to grow my hair long, but I always wound up looking like Ronald McDonald. It drove me crazy. The amazing thing to me was the way my hair would curl the same exact way every time it grew back. I would have thought the curls would be more random.

Back before I joined the Corps, I had long hair. I swore when I go out, I’d grow it long again. Its been 13+ years now and I can’t go a month without a haircut

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Belafon  Oct 24, 2015 • 8:05:45pm

re: #14 Barefoot Grin

While I was growing my hair out, I noticed that there’s this middle range between short and long (long being anything longer than touching your shoulders) where it just doesn’t look very good. I’d look in the mirror and almost decide to cut it off.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Oct 24, 2015 • 8:06:19pm

re: #16 Belafon

While I was growing my hair out, I noticed that there’s this middle range between short and long (long being anything longer than touching your shoulders) where it just doesn’t look very good. I’d look in the mirror and almost decide to cut it off.

That would be my husband’s big hair phase, which thankfully I missed.

But I have seen the photos.

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dholmes32  Oct 24, 2015 • 8:07:19pm

re: #13 SteveMcGaziBolaGate

I tried to grow my hair long, but I always wound up looking like Ronald McDonald. It drove me crazy. The amazing thing to me was the way my hair would curl the same exact way every time it grew back. I would have thought the curls would be more random.

One thing we learned when I cut off all that hair was that I had somehow developed curly hair. (I’m attributing it to menopause.) All that hair was pulling the curl out. My mother loved my long hair and regularly begs me to grow it out. My late father, on the other hand, would regularly grouse, “Professional women have short hair.” I cut it about nine months before he died. He was completely blind by then, so I had to put his hands on my head so he could feel that I’d finally whacked it all off.

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teleskiguy  Oct 24, 2015 • 8:08:24pm

I know about long hair.

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KGxvi  Oct 24, 2015 • 8:13:09pm

Few years back I decided to let my hair grow, made it about 14 months. I also regularly sported a beard, thick chinstrap style. It was shoulder length when I finally cut it. I always liked having my hair long, but I’ve since kept it mostly in a gentlemens cut. I think I’ll keep it that way, if only because I see too much grey when it gets long - and I’m too vain for that shit

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Barefoot Grin  Oct 24, 2015 • 8:15:49pm

re: #16 Belafon

While I was growing my hair out, I noticed that there’s this middle range between short and long (long being anything longer than touching your shoulders) where it just doesn’t look very good. I’d look in the mirror and almost decide to cut it off.

Wait, what? I coulda been a contender? Goddamnit!

(Actually, I can never make it past day 5 in beard-growing. I start scratching and just endure the agony of the shave of the half-baked beard.)

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Barefoot Grin  Oct 24, 2015 • 8:18:02pm

re: #21 Barefoot Grin

Wait, what? I coulda been a contender? Goddamnit!

(Actually, I can never make it past day 5 in beard-growing. I start scratching and just endure the agony of the shave of the half-baked beard.)

I would make a terrible ISIL guy.

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William Lewis  Oct 24, 2015 • 8:18:58pm

So getting ready to go, I note that this is St. Crispan’s Eve. Time to read a wee bit of Henry V and then ponder the historical battle who’s anniversary will be tomorrow.

WESTMORELAND. O that we now had here
But one ten thousand of those men in England
That do no work to-day!

KING. What’s he that wishes so?
My cousin, Westmoreland? No, my fair cousin;
If we are mark’d to die, we are enow
To do our country loss; and if to live,
The fewer men, the greater share of honour.
God’s will! I pray thee, wish not one man more.
By Jove, I am not covetous for gold,
Nor care I who doth feed upon my cost;
It yearns me not if men my garments wear;
Such outward things dwell not in my desires.
But if it be a sin to covet honour,
I am the most offending soul alive.
No, faith, my coz, wish not a man from England.
God’s peace! I would not lose so great an honour
As one man more methinks would share from me
For the best hope I have. O, do not wish one more!
Rather proclaim it, Westmoreland, through my host,
That he which hath no stomach to this fight,
Let him depart; his passport shall be made,
And crowns for convoy put into his purse;
We would not die in that man’s company
That fears his fellowship to die with us.
This day is call’d the feast of Crispian.
He that outlives this day, and comes safe home,
Will stand a tip-toe when this day is nam’d,
And rouse him at the name of Crispian.
He that shall live this day, and see old age,
Will yearly on the vigil feast his neighbours,
And say “To-morrow is Saint Crispian.”
Then will he strip his sleeve and show his scars,
And say “These wounds I had on Crispin’s day.”
Old men forget; yet all shall be forgot,
But he’ll remember, with advantages,
What feats he did that day. Then shall our names,
Familiar in his mouth as household words-
Harry the King, Bedford and Exeter,
Warwick and Talbot, Salisbury and Gloucester-
Be in their flowing cups freshly rememb’red.
This story shall the good man teach his son;
And Crispin Crispian shall ne’er go by,
From this day to the ending of the world,
But we in it shall be remembered-
We few, we happy few, we band of brothers;
For he to-day that sheds his blood with me
Shall be my brother; be he ne’er so vile,
This day shall gentle his condition;
And gentlemen in England now-a-bed
Shall think themselves accurs’d they were not here,
And hold their manhoods cheap whiles any speaks
That fought with us upon Saint Crispin’s day.

It is also good to remember the Charge of the Light Brigade at Balaclava and the Battle off Samar in Leyte Gulf as well & among other battles this day has held.

History is a strange thing sometimes. Later lizards.

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Belafon  Oct 24, 2015 • 8:19:55pm

re: #22 Barefoot Grin

I would make a terrible ISIL guy.

With the long hair, beard, and gut I can’t get rid of, I’ve decided to go as The Dude this year for halloween. Gotta find some good shorts.

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Kragar  Oct 24, 2015 • 8:22:33pm
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Barefoot Grin  Oct 24, 2015 • 8:24:04pm

re: #24 Belafon

With the long hair, beard, and gut I can’t get rid of, I’ve decided to go as The Dude this year for halloween. Gotta find some good shorts.

Just, you know, avoid anyone dressed as a nihilist.

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WhatEVs  Oct 24, 2015 • 8:32:21pm

Another rich Republican says wages are too high.

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Dark_Falcon  Oct 24, 2015 • 8:37:17pm

re: #23 William Lewis

So getting ready to go, I note that this is St. Crispan’s Eve. Time to read a wee bit of Henry V and then ponder the historical battle who’s anniversary will be tomorrow.

It is also good to remember the Charge of the Light Brigade at Balaclava and the Battle off Samar in Leyte Gulf as well & among other battles this day has held.

History is a strange thing sometimes. Later lizards.

Today is the anniversary of Japan’s biggest loss of battleships, as 10/24/1944 saw three of them go under:

First the Musashi, a super-battleship that perished under the hammer of US airpower in the Sibuyan Sea.

Then two older BBs were lost in the Battle of Surigao Straights, with the Fuso being blown in half by USN torpedoes, and the Yamashiro perishing under the guns of the American battleships USS West Virginia, Maryland, and California.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Oct 24, 2015 • 8:39:21pm

re: #23 William Lewis

So getting ready to go, I note that this is St. Crispan’s Eve. Time to read a wee bit of Henry V and then ponder the historical battle who’s anniversary will be tomorrow.

It is also good to remember the Charge of the Light Brigade at Balaclava and the Battle off Samar in Leyte Gulf as well & among other battles this day has held.

History is a strange thing sometimes. Later lizards.

We archers, especially those of us who shoot primitive, remember Agincourt.

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Dark_Falcon  Oct 24, 2015 • 8:43:00pm

re: #28 Dark_Falcon

I should note that the Battle of Surigao Straight began on the 24th, but the 2 old IJN BBs were lost during the wee hours of the 25th.

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Pawn of the Oppressor  Oct 24, 2015 • 8:58:47pm

re: #29 Blind Frog Belly White

We archers, especially those of us who shoot primitive, remember Agincourt.

Agincourt happened just down the road from the estate of my oldest known ancestor, about five years before he was born. (Thank you, Ancestry dot com!!) I have wondered where he sat politically, given that the English had Calais (just up the road in the other direction) and the whole area was supposedly politically neutral at the time.

During his youth and early adulthood the Burgundians were the power in the region, and if I understand the history correctly, the locals were by then broadly aligned with the people who agitated against Charles VII and supported the famous Joan-of-Arc BBQ.

Of course it all came back around a century and a half or so later, when the whole area was ethnically cleansed (to borrow a modern term) and my Huguenot ancestors eventually fled to Germany, and then to the Colonies.

I don’t know who my distant ancestor’s father was, but the family was minor nobility and surely the scrap would have been in the local papers.*

*I know there weren’t newspapers. But at some point my anonymous 13th great-grandfather must have made a conscious decision NOT to be at the battle!

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allegro  Oct 24, 2015 • 9:09:16pm

Glub.

It has now been raining continuously and solidly for about 14 hours. It is only increasing in intensity. The wine is holding out, however, so thus far all is well.

Back to the war talk.

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Barefoot Grin  Oct 24, 2015 • 9:11:49pm

re: #31 Pawn of the Oppressor

That is so cool. I don’t know much for certain of the history of my ancestors except that fraternal grandmother’s line came from Germany in the 1780s and settled in Kentucky and then went to western Illinois; fraternal grandfather’s line is tied to a religious group that moved from Mass. to Hartford, Connecticut in the 1640s, and went in waves to Ohio and then Illinois.

My mom’s line seems to have come on both sides from England. One entered as indentured servants through Virginia and made his way to Georgia. The other I don’t know about. My mom’s grandfather was a doctor on the Georgia side of Lookout Mt.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Oct 24, 2015 • 9:13:35pm

re: #32 allegro

Glub.

It has now been raining continuously and solidly for about 14 hours. It is only increasing in intensity. The wine is holding out, however, so thus far all is well.

Back to the war talk.

You could send it here, we wouldn’t mind.

Hope you laid in an adequate supply of wine.

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WhatEVs  Oct 24, 2015 • 9:26:08pm

This is getting bad. Bad bad.

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Belafon  Oct 24, 2015 • 9:33:44pm

re: #35 WhatEVs

This is getting bad. Bad bad.

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Next year will be a fight for going into the future or returning to the early 1900s.

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WhatEVs  Oct 24, 2015 • 9:46:01pm

re: #36 Belafon

Next year will be a fight for going into the future or returning to the early 1900s.

Trump is a huge asshole creating brown shirts at every campaign stop. This isn’t the first time his supporters physically attacked people.

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Joe Bacon  Oct 24, 2015 • 10:07:32pm

I did some tracing on my family tree. My great great grandfather, Peter Bacon was a Union General in the Civil War. He was in charge of the defense of Washington DC. He’s buried in the Congressional Cemetery. My great grandfather, Frank Bacon went to Howard University, he was the Congressional postmaster until he was the fall guy for a scandal in 1910 that booted him from that job. Great grandfather and Grandpa Bacon eventually settled in Ambridge, PA. Grandfather and Grandma Bacon were involved in organizing the Steelworkers Union. Grandfather was Council President for the borough. Dad was the borough constable.

Grandma went into detail about the family history. I later kicked myself because I didn’t have a tape recorder. Lots of fascinating stories about John L Lewis and the Mineworkers Union seeding the Steelworkers, Autoworkers and Electrical Workers when the CIO was organizing in the 30s. Grandma talked about Hearst running for President as a Democrat in 1904 and the scandal that killed his candidacy. In 1912, the Republican Party tore itself apart in Ambridge between Roosevelt and Taft. The Presbyterian church dissolved into shouting matches during Sunday services, the wealthier people backed Taft. The working class people backed Roosevelt and split from the church to form a United Presbyterian church.

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Joe Bacon  Oct 24, 2015 • 10:11:31pm

re: #35 WhatEVs

This is getting bad. Bad bad.

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Folks, if you think it’s bad now wait till the GOP convention when nobody will come in with a majority of delegates. You’re going to see blood on the floor that will rival the 1860 Democratic Convention.

It’ll be the first open convention since 1952. The smoke filled room will make a comeback and I wouldn’t be surprised to see the bosses nominate Romney and Ryan again. Trump will throw a fit and he’ll walk out. You’ll see the Republican party plop plop and fizz fizz like an Alka Seltzer tablet on live TV!

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Pawn of the Oppressor  Oct 24, 2015 • 10:12:09pm

re: #33 Barefoot Grin

ancestry.com is awesome. They nail you for 6 month’s subscription up front but if you have names, locations, and birth & death years, you can build your tree quickly. Their system also connects you with other’s trees, so you can import information into your tree and flesh it out.

I subscribed on a whim hoping only to determine when my great aunts passed away, with an ideal goal of finding out who was first off the boat in America. In two days of poking around I traced things back 600 years on my father’s paternal side, including the name, date, and location of my first American ancestor arriving, and even what ship he was on.

If you pay for records access, you can see scans of documents going back into the late 1700s. I have seen the census records for my family - the ones before the civil war include columns for tallying slaves, and thank the gods there weren’t any - as well as draft registration cards, and even a hand-written tax record from 1750 for one of my great-grandfathers that records his property as 150 acres and two horses.

(Weirdly, I dead-ended on my father’s maternal side, which traces back to England in the 1800s, but the when & where is somehow unrecorded. You’d think there would be fewer records of people fleeing religious war over centuries!)

I highly recommend it. You don’t need much information to get started and you might be blown away by what you find.

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KGxvi  Oct 24, 2015 • 10:13:20pm

re: #27 WhatEVs

I really can’t stand the zero sum capitalist assholes. Do they not understand that if normal people don’t make money, nobody will be able to afford their goods/services?

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teleskiguy  Oct 24, 2015 • 10:14:48pm

My great-great-great-great grandfather, Joseph Warren.

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WhatEVs  Oct 24, 2015 • 10:15:24pm

re: #39 Joe Bacon

You’re likely right. I just wonder how many people will get hurt before then.

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KGxvi  Oct 24, 2015 • 10:18:41pm

re: #39 Joe Bacon

I don’t think we will see an open convention. (On one level I’d love to see it because I am fascinated by the absurdity of our current politics.) For it to happen, there needs to be at least four candidates winning multiple states or at least doing well enough in the proportional states. I just don’t see it, especially with the way the calendar sets up

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teleskiguy  Oct 24, 2015 • 10:19:59pm

re: #42 teleskiguy

I may have used one too many ‘greats.’

The Warren name goes way back on my dad’s side of the family. Hell, I decided a while back that if I ever have a baby boy I’m going to name him Warren.

It’s a family name, but I’ll still tell people that I named the boy after Warren Miller. :)

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Pawn of the Oppressor  Oct 24, 2015 • 10:20:29pm

re: #38 Joe Bacon

I’ve got a little bit of union-organizing on my tree too. My grandmother worked in a shirt factory in Philadelphia before WW2 and she had some minor position in the union… I’ve heard a little bit handed down about the flavor of the times. I remember something about shady characters outside the factories on payday cajoling people to play the numbers (some kind of gambling or lotto).

The early Depression was a lot uglier than history classes let on. I know there was a period when my father was living with his grandmother while both is parents were away north in Philly for work. Great-grandma was apparently a tough lady who once shot at chicken thieves with an 1867 Springfield trap-door rifle. We still have the rifle and it must have been a handful for a small woman in the 30s.

Knowing where you came from is a great thing. :)

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Joe Bacon  Oct 24, 2015 • 10:22:41pm

re: #44 KGxvi

I don’t think we will see an open convention. (On one level I’d love to see it because I am fascinated by the absurdity of our current politics.) For it to happen, there needs to be at least four candidates winning multiple states or at least doing well enough in the proportional states. I just don’t see it, especially with the way the calendar sets up

I can easily see it! Carson wins Iowa, Trump wins New Hampshire, Rubio takes Nevada and South Carolina barely goes for Cruz. Jeb quits when he winds up 5th in Florida. Carson, Trump, Rubio and Cruz will carve up the rest!

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Belafon  Oct 24, 2015 • 10:27:40pm

re: #48 klys (maker of Silmarils)

When I was a kid in Abilene, TX, a storm approached the city, parted as it went passed the city, and then reformed on the other side.

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teleskiguy  Oct 24, 2015 • 10:27:49pm

re: #48 klys (maker of Silmarils)

I laugh with you. Moisture comes Californy way and Californy is all like “Talk To The Hand.”

It’s funny. And depressing, too.

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Joe Bacon  Oct 24, 2015 • 10:28:28pm

re: #46 Pawn of the Oppressor

I’ve got a little bit of union-organizing on my tree too. My grandmother worked in a shirt factory in Philadelphia before WW2 and she had some minor position in the union… I’ve heard a little bit handed down about the flavor of the times. I remember something about shady characters outside the factories on payday cajoling people to play the numbers (some kind of gambling or lotto).

The early Depression was a lot uglier than history classes let on. I know there was a period when my father was living with his grandmother while both is parents were away north in Philly for work. Great-grandma was apparently a tough lady who once shot at chicken thieves with an 1867 Springfield trap-door rifle. We still have the rifle and it must have been a handful for a small woman in the 30s.

You’re so right about that. The Depression was hell on earth while Hoover was in the White House and he finally lifted a finger with the Reconstruction Finance Corporation which Grandma said was like putting a band aid on a bullet wound. No safety net existed, Hoovervilles were all over the country. Socialists and Communists were coming out of the woodwork on one side and Fascists were coming out of the other side.

Grandma remembered how powerful the KKK was in the 1920’s. They had a gigantic march in DC. Harding was initiated into their membership…

Knowing where you came from is a great thing. :)

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KGxvi  Oct 24, 2015 • 10:35:02pm

re: #47 Joe Bacon

Except Rubio is running fourth in Nevada behind Trump, Carson, and Fiorina (who is in single digits). And Cruz is running even further back in South Carolina. For an open convention, someone will have to consolidate the non-Teump and non-Carson votes - but that won’t happen if there’s still 12 of them to split the vote

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teleskiguy  Oct 24, 2015 • 10:35:05pm
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teleskiguy  Oct 24, 2015 • 11:02:39pm

Oh, since some Lizards like discussing war, war tactics, war in general, I found a tweet.

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teleskiguy  Oct 25, 2015 • 12:26:10am
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Nyet  Oct 25, 2015 • 12:51:43am

That guy reliably comes up with outrageous statements having to do with violence. The last one was, I think, the 4th by my count.

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Nyet  Oct 25, 2015 • 1:07:53am

Anyhoo, changing past…

Presentism? Past and future don’t exist, there is nothing to travel to or to be traveled from, case closed, lights out.

Block universe/eternalism? The universe is “static” and doesn’t change by itself, it just is, “past”, “present” and “future”. Time flow is an illusion. “Someone” from the “outside”, from some meta-time, can perhaps change the block universe like we would change the placement of action figures on the table. But the “action figures” can’t do it themselves - their timelines are fixed, and even if they do travel through time, those are static closed loops that do not change anything.

Growing block universe? Past and present are real, future is not. But if the future is not real, there is nothing to be traveled from.

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Nyet  Oct 25, 2015 • 1:21:08am

But let’s say it were possible to change the past. By changing the past significantly at a spacetime point you make all persons causally connected to that point change, and, practically speaking, you make most of them disappear (because the set of those people includes all the children born in the old timeline that will either never have been born or will have had entirely different personalities in the changed timeline). IOW, in practical terms, depending on where you change the past, you’re making thousands, or millions, or billions of people disappear. How is that not murder?

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Oct 25, 2015 • 1:54:14am

Must find the book again, I think it was called “Das Ende der Weimarer Republik”. In it, a German politician in the 20’s foretells the coming of a leader who would be charismatic, a war veteran, a man of the lower classes who appeals to the “common people”…in other words, a Hitler in some form was all but inevitable.

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Nyet  Oct 25, 2015 • 2:41:04am

re: #59 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

Must find the book again, I think it was called “Das Ende der Weimarer Republik”. In it, a German politician in the 20’s foretells the coming of a leader who would be charismatic, a war veteran, a man of the lower classes who appeals to the “common people”…in other words, a Hitler in some form was all but inevitable.

I don’t think anything is inevitable, much less Hitler. Certainly the Holocaust was not inevitable, and Hitler without the Holocaust is not “the Hitler”.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Oct 25, 2015 • 2:43:15am

re: #58 Nyet

But let’s say it were possible to change the past. By changing the past significantly at a spacetime point you make all persons causally connected to that point change, and, practically speaking, you make most of them disappear (because the set of those people includes all the children born in the old timeline that will either never have been born or will have had entirely different personalities in the changed timeline). IOW, in practical terms, depending on where you change the past, you’re making thousands, or millions, or billions of people disappear. How is that not murder?

As a specific example, suppose someone went back in time and somehow killed Hitler before he became Chancellor. Perhaps WWII would then not have happened, and millions of lives would have been spared. But there were WWII servicemen who met their future brides while serving abroad, got married and had kids. Without WWII, they would have never met and those kids would never have been born. The “Bye bye Marty McFly” dilemma. So you have saved the lives of people who would have died, while killing those who were already born in your timeline. I’m not sure that’s an acceptable trade-off.

A “surgical strike” in time travel could not possibly exist.

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Nyet  Oct 25, 2015 • 2:44:29am

Oh boy. Just came upon a crazy website that argues that Alexis Tsipras is the prophesied Antichrist.

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Oct 25, 2015 • 2:45:59am

re: #60 Nyet

I don’t think anything is inevitable, much less Hitler. Certainly the Holocaust was not inevitable, and Hitler without the Holocaust is not “the Hitler”.

A Hitler in some form: the German industrialists and financiers were looking for just such a figure to put up as a political puppet. Except in Hitler’s case, they misunderestimated his charisma and appeal and his ability to be manipulated.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Oct 25, 2015 • 2:47:50am

re: #62 Nyet

Oh boy. Just came upon a crazy website that argues that Alexis Tsipras is the prophesied Antichrist.

Someone should start a Prophesied Anti-Christ Club. Obama and Tsipras could be charter members, and invite all other purported anti-Christs to an annual gathering where they decorate upside-down crosses and say Christian prayers backwards, and other fun stuff.

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Nyet  Oct 25, 2015 • 2:48:21am

re: #63 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

A Hitler in some form: the German industrialists and financiers were looking for just such a figure to put up as a puppet figure. Except in Hitler’s case, they misunderestimated his charisma and appeal and his ability to be manipulated.

An authoritarian Mussolini/Pinochet-like figure? Probable, though not inevitable.
A guy who starts a world war? Possible, certainly not inevitable.
A guy who builds extermination factories? A fluke of history.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Oct 25, 2015 • 2:50:35am

re: #65 Nyet

An authoritarian Mussolini/Pinochet-like figure? Probable, though not inevitable.
A guy who starts a world war? Possible, certainly not inevitable.
A guy who builds extermination factories? A fluke of history.

Hitler pulled together an assortment of crazy, evil men who fed off one another’s crazy evilness. If Hitler were out of the picture somehow, those crazy, evil men could still have done a lot of damage.

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Nyet  Oct 25, 2015 • 2:53:22am

When saying something like “Hitler was inevitable”, one must be very precise in what exactly was inevitable, because Hitler was not “one thing”.

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Romantic Heretic  Oct 25, 2015 • 3:50:04am

re: #61 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

As a specific example, suppose someone went back in time and somehow killed Hitler before he became Chancellor. Perhaps WWII would then not have happened, and millions of lives would have been spared. But there were WWII servicemen who met their future brides while serving abroad, got married and had kids. Without WWII, they would have never met and those kids would never have been born. The “Bye bye Marty McFly” dilemma. So you have saved the lives of people who would have died, while killing those who were already born in your timeline. I’m not sure that’s an acceptable trade-off.

A “surgical strike” in time travel could not possibly exist.

If you want a rather good story based around that idea try The Flashpoint Paradox. It’s rather disturbing if you’re a fair comic book nerd like myself.

Barry Allen uses his speed to travel back in time to save his mother.

The result?

He does not become The Flash. However changing that event affected other events. Like a sonic boom other things not directly related were changed as well.

Bruce Wayne dies in that alley. Thomas Wayne becomes the Batman and Martha Wayne becomes the Joker.

Atlantis and the Amazons are at war. Europe is dead. Most disturbing scene of the movie is watching Wonder Woman kill a kid with a sword.

As I said yesterday, when you fuck with time, time fucks back.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Oct 25, 2015 • 4:01:32am

re: #68 Romantic Heretic

If you want a rather good story based around that idea try The Flashpoint Paradox. It’s rather disturbing if you’re a fair comic book nerd like myself.

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As I said yesterday, when you fuck with time, time fucks back.

DC’s Crisis on Infinite Earths do-over, and all the other do-overs, including Flashpoint, just make my head hurt. If you’ve been following The Flash TV series, one of the characters does point out to Barry that if he goes back in time to save his mom, he’ll never become the Flash and save all the people he’s saved.

He doesn’t save his mom, but watches her die.

Also, Jay Garrick from Earth-2 is now in Barry’s universe, without his powers.

The showrunners are doing a pretty good job of referencing comic lore. It looks like the Bronze Age Mister Terrific* is due to make an appearance this season, too.

*As opposed to the Golden Age Mister Terrific or the completely unrelated Mister Terrific from a short-lived TV sitcom.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Oct 25, 2015 • 4:05:35am

GotNwes was on the road this weekend, and away from the InterTubes, so we’re just now catching up to the smackdown of Chuck’s lawyer.

BREAKING, EXCLUSIVE: Federal judge smacks Johnson v. Gawker lawyer upside the head

On Thursday, the lawyer representing Chuck C. Johnson in his multi-million-dollar libel/defamation suit against Gawker Media filed a whole bunch of stuff in federal court.

Not a day later, the judge responded with a terse order scolding attorney John C. “Jonathon” Burns for terminal ineptitude. You can read the actual order here, but we will provide a free translation in regular English for those readers not conversant in legal terminology.

Dear Plaintiffs,

Hello again.

So, you remember our last order, where we listed a whole bunch of rules and where to find them, so you can read them and follow them?

At the risk of beating a dead horse with a stick, let us call your attention to this important thing we said, …

You failed to do this. Twice. In the same set of filings, with two different titles.

Now, we understand that you’re just a country lawyer running a small office, and your days are probably just chock full of AD&D cases, DUIs and slip-and-falls, not to mention collating hundreds of pages for a libel suit, so observing the rules of a federal court and the directions of a federal judge probably just got lost in the shuffle.

More

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Oct 25, 2015 • 4:19:35am

Maybe it’s the perspective or the lighting, but Daleiden looks like a cardboard cutout in this shot.

But remember kids, DD definitely did not give those videos to Chuck!

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Oct 25, 2015 • 4:31:33am

re: #67 Nyet

When saying something like “Hitler was inevitable”, one must be very precise in what exactly was inevitable, because Hitler was not “one thing”.

Context please. Some sort of Hitler. Fascist, nationalist, racist, militaristic ideology was very prevalent all over post-WWI Europe, especially in a country that was highly economically and politically unstable.

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Nyet  Oct 25, 2015 • 4:40:03am

re: #72 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

Context please. Some sort of Hitler. Fascist nationalist racist militaristic ideology was very prevalent all over post-WWI Europe.

Yes, you’ve said it twice, but my point stands. “Some sort of Hitler” is so catch-all it’s not very meaningful apart from “some fascist dictator”. There were many fascist dictators, but only one Hitler.

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Oct 25, 2015 • 4:45:49am

re: #73 Nyet

Yes, you’ve said it twice, but my point stands. “Some sort of Hitler” is so catch-all it’s not very meaningful apart from “some fascist dictator”. There were many fascist dictators, but only one Hitler.

A fascist dictator who promoted a nationalistic, militaristic, racist ideology. Lots of European leaders had no trouble enslaving and exterminating civilians en masse, they just tended to do so outside Europe, and they were not the sort of meticulous bean counters who left an incontrovertible paper trail.

Hitler did not act alone or arise in a vacuum.

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Teukka  Oct 25, 2015 • 5:10:33am

Speaking of acting alone and arising in vacuums: The Lone Wolves don’t live in a Vacuum.

H/T: expo.se/

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Nyet  Oct 25, 2015 • 5:10:52am

re: #74 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

A fascist dictator who promoted a nationalistic, militaristic, racist ideology.

The more specificity you add to your minimal def of some-Hitler, the harder it will be for you to show his inevitability.

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Oct 25, 2015 • 5:11:46am

re: #75 Teukka

Speaking of acting alone and arising in vacuums: The Lone Wolves don’t live in a Vacuum.

In any case, all this baby Hitler stuff is all just speculation and playing with ideas. Best to abort Hitler when he is still a Fetus or simply slip some birth control pills into Frau Schickelgruber’s morning tea…

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Teukka  Oct 25, 2015 • 5:14:18am

re: #77 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

In any case, all this baby Hitler stuff is all just speculation and babble. Best to abort Hitler when he is still a Fetus or simply slip some birth control pills into Frau Schickelgruber’s morning tea…

Problem is that you would have to ensure that Hitlers non-existence (however unpalatable a character he is) does not give rise to a worse scenario, e.g. Stalin running over most of Europe, a worse dude than Adolf taking his place, etc.

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Oct 25, 2015 • 5:16:28am

re: #78 Teukka

Problem is that you would have to ensure that Hitlers non-existence (however unpalatable a character he is) does not give rise to a worse scenario, e.g. Stalin running over most of Europe, a worse dude than Adolf taking his place, etc.

Jeez, you mean I hafta run all over history nipping dictators in the bud? When am I gonna have time for my sexy time-travelling companion?

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Teukka  Oct 25, 2015 • 5:16:33am

What I’m listening to atm (pun not intended):
Varien - Pick Your Poison Vol. 2

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Nyet  Oct 25, 2015 • 5:17:29am

re: #77 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

re: #78 Teukka

Or consider not changing anything at all, in order not to become a murderer of billions. See my #58.

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Teukka  Oct 25, 2015 • 5:18:14am

re: #79 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

Jeez, you mean I hafta run all over history nipping dictators in the bud? When am I gonna have time for my sexy time-travelling companion?

You won’t, you’ll be busy fighting nth level blowback for most of your working day.

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Oct 25, 2015 • 5:18:23am

re: #81 Nyet

Or consider not changing anything at all, in order not to become a murderer of billions. See my #58.

I will seriously consider that possibility, then…somehow difficult when the Tardis is warming up outside.

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Nyet  Oct 25, 2015 • 5:19:50am

re: #83 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

I will seriously consider that possibility, then…somehow difficult when the Tardis is warming up outside.

Because if you get rid of Hitler and I disappear as a result, I’ll haunt you for the rest of your life! Or maybe not, as you’ll likely disappear too.

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Teukka  Oct 25, 2015 • 5:21:35am

re: #81 Nyet

Or consider not changing anything at all, in order not to become a murderer of billions. See my #58.

Remember the premise of the TV series “7 days”? That or even smaller windows between origin of trip into the past and the vent to fix things, anything more would create an avalanche of dominos of unintended consequences (not that 7 days aren’t enough to rack up a lot of unintended consequences).

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Nyet  Oct 25, 2015 • 5:22:26am

re: #85 Teukka

Remember the premise of the TV series “7 days”? That or even smaller windows between origin of trip into the past and the vent to fix things, anything more would create an avalanche of dominos of unintended consequences (not that 7 days aren’t enough to rack up a lot of unintended consequences).

Never seen that. I’d say one instant can be enough.

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Teukka  Oct 25, 2015 • 5:26:40am

re: #86 Nyet

Never seen that. I’d say one instant can be enough.

*nods*

I wonder if even observing the past would change it?

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Oct 25, 2015 • 5:26:57am

re: #84 Nyet

Because if you get rid of Hitler and I disappear as a result, I’ll haunt you for the rest of your life! Or maybe not, as you’ll likely disappear too.

Time Lords don’t disappear, they just change physical form.

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Dr Lizardo  Oct 25, 2015 • 5:37:49am

With all the talk of going back in time and bumping off Hitler (if you’re gonna do it, do it during WWI, where one could rationalize he’d be just another combat fatality, one amongst millions) here’s a thought.

Where would we be technologically if (a) Hitler is removed from the picture and (b) WWII never takes place as a result.

Would we be chatting on the internet? The internet is the outgrowth of a Cold War military communications project, after all, so……no WWII, no Cold War? What would the level of technological development be?

While it’s all well and good to speculate about whacking Hitler (personally, I wouldn’t as interfering in such a profound event as the Second World War is bound to have unforeseen consequences), for me at least, it’s more of an ethical question than anything else. Sure, it’s a tempting thought - you kill one man and save the lives of millions. But……what’s the blowback? What are the consequences of altering a timeline so radically?

Of course, here’s a fun thought. Let’s say that someone from the future traveled back into our past and ensured the Nazis lost WWII, because in their history, the Nazis won that war and they wanted to make sure that never came to pass.

We’d never know, would we?

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Oct 25, 2015 • 5:38:59am

re: #89 Dr Lizardo

Of course, here’s a fun thought. Let’s say that someone from the future traveled back into our past and ensured the Nazis lost WWII, because in their history, the Nazis won that war and they wanted to make sure that never came to past.

We’d never know, would we?

Pretty much the premise of “The Man in the High Castle”…

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Nyet  Oct 25, 2015 • 5:40:59am

Stephen King’s 11/22/63 is a masterful exploration of the effect of unintended consequences. I mean, preventing Kennedy’s assassination is a good thing, right? Right?

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Dr Lizardo  Oct 25, 2015 • 5:41:41am

re: #90 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

Pretty much the premise of “The Man in the High Castle”…

I never got around to reading that one, though I’ve read other works of Philip K. Dick - he seemed to have a running theme in his works of alternate realities. My personal fave, which I’d love to write a screenplay for (which would never be made into a film because it’s just too trippy) is Flow My Tears, The Policeman Said.

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Oct 25, 2015 • 5:45:53am

re: #92 Dr Lizardo

I never got around to reading that one, though I’ve read other works of Philip K. Dick - he seemed to have a running theme in his works of alternate realities. My personal fave, which I’d love to write a screenplay for (which would never be made into a film because it’s just too trippy) is Flow My Tears, The Policeman Said.

Man in the High Castle is my favorite PKD by a long shot, and from what I have seen of the Amazon series (the trailer) they have done a decent job of adapting it.

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Shiplord Kirel  Oct 25, 2015 • 5:47:23am

News from the parade crash in Stillwater Oklahoma got worse over night:

Oklahoma State homecoming crash: Many children, infants hurt

(CNN)Children and infants made up almost a quarter of those injured when a car crashed into crowds at the Oklahoma State University parade Saturday, killing four people including a 2-year-old, Stillwater police said.

The car’s driver has been arrested on suspicion of driving under the influence.

Three adults were pronounced dead at the scene, while the fourth victim, the young boy, died from his injuries at OU Medical Center Children’s Hospital, according to a Stillwater Police Department statement.

Police named the adult victims Sunday as 23-year-old Nakita Prabhakar of Edmond and 65-year-old Stillwater residents Bonnie Jean Stone and Marvin Lyle Stone.

Of a further 47 people treated after the crash, 17 remained hospitalized and five were in a critical condition, police said.

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LastYearsMan  Oct 25, 2015 • 5:55:07am

This short story was by far my favorite one about going back in time to kill Hitler. It’s in the form of a Wikipedia editors chat. Key line:

everybody kills Hitler on their first trip. I did. It always gets fixed within a few minutes, what’s the harm?

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Doofus  Oct 25, 2015 • 5:59:39am

I need new running shoes. This is harder than picking a new book or a new video game. My children gave me Mad Max video game on steam, it is rather fun, kind of like Grand Theft Auto but after a nuclear holocaust, and no hookers. I am glad there aren’t any hookers, rugby is a dumb ass sport.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Oct 25, 2015 • 6:09:54am

UpChuck has weighed in on the Baby Hitler question, and says he would adopt him and raise him to be more PC (though Chuck does not use that term, of course).

I think he’s trying to be witty.

I’d raise him to embrace his oratorical gifts. I’d counsel him not to invade Russia or kill Jews. The smarter strategy would be to red pill the Jews and get them to turn against the communists or the imperialists. (Read your Menicus Moldbug on this, kids.)

There’s probably no Holocaust without Hitler but there’s probably also no state of Israel which would be a bummer.

There’s no American nuclear bomb and let’s face it that has kept us all safe.

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I Stand With Planned Parenthood  Oct 25, 2015 • 6:27:59am

re: #77 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

In any case, all this baby Hitler stuff is all just speculation and playing with ideas. Best to abort Hitler when he is still a Fetus or simply slip some birth control pills into Frau Schickelgruber’s morning tea…

I”m reading/listening to Neurotribes. The book is about autism research and understanding in the medical community. Basically, we are now where Vienna was after WWI. Nearly 100 years for understanding to catch-up to the past.

A few things contributed to this. Mainly the Nazi take over of Vienna and the splintering of the few clinicians who had a compassionate understanding of the talent of those with autism.

So, yeah —what you said.

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Shiplord Kirel  Oct 25, 2015 • 6:32:03am

Freepers still beclowning themselves over the Stillwater tragedy:

The story includes this section:

While authorities did not immediately release the names of those killed and injured, the president of the University of Central Oklahoma said one of the people killed was Nikita Nakal, an MBA student from Mumbai, India.

“While our thoughts and prayers are with the Oklahoma State University community tonight following the tragic events during OSU’s homecoming parade this morning, it is with deep sadness that I ask you to extend those sentiments to the family and friends of one of our own students,” wrote President Don Betz. “Our students come to Central with their unique goals, hopes and dreams, and Nikita was undoubtedly no different.”

“Diana from Wisconsin” responds:

Nice. Single out the FOREIGNER for your ‘condolences.’
Man, are these academics BRAINWASHED or what?
*SPIT*

That is too much even for freepistan and several people call her out:

Did you read the article? One of the fatalities was from the university Betz is president of. Three were not. I don’t see a problem with him identifying one of his own students and offering condolences to all the families in general and that family and his own student body in particular.

What could be nuttier and more callous than sneering at an expression of condolence? “2sheep” is up to the challenge:

1. October 6. Oklahoma removes Ten Commandments monument from capitol grounds.
2. God lifts His hand of protection from Oklahoma.
3. October 24, the judgment of God falls. Car crashes into crowd.
Great tragedy. So sad.

Sure 2sheep, God is so pissed at the removal of your stone idol that he lets 4 innocents, including a toddler, die by violence and you, you callous heretic, seem to gloat about it.

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Nyet  Oct 25, 2015 • 6:32:32am

I have now found the source of some of Shermer’s errors.

That Hans Frank made this speech on Oct.7, 1941 was claimed by William Shirer in his classic tome.

He specified his source as “NCA, IV, p. 891 (N.D. 2233-C-PS)”. And indeed, when we go to the relevant volume of NCA, we do find the speech in the following form (pp. 890-1):

[Page 943, 4th-6th lines]
10/7/40
The Governor-General then addresses the assembly with the
following words :
My dear Comrades ! * * * * * * *
[Page 946, lines 1-3, 21-30]
10/7/40
* * * There are so few of us here that no one can actually
really conceal himself. Everybody has to fear that the spotlight
will now and then rest on him * * *
* * * It is clear that education will perhaps still be necessary
here and there; furthermore, it is clear that this openminded
comradeship, this common spirit of close contact finds its
counter-part in the unstinted observation of authority in inner
office relations. We cannot permit the offices to become 5 o’clock
tea rooms. But, of course, our position as Germans here must be
such that the lowest of us is still far above the highest Pole in
this room * * *
[Page 1158, 2nd par. to p. 1159 4th line]
* * * And another thing was told me by the Fuehrer in all
seriousness, a few days ago: that the old Japanese proverb:-
after the war tighten your helmet strap-should retain its validity.
Comrades, never again shall we be a weak Reich. The
Armed Forces will represent the crown of community education.
Just as the NSDAP is the crown of social, political and ideological
leadership, so the Armed Forces will be the essence of military
training, of the proud and immaculate bearing of our people.
And you can say: you took part in it as soldiers. I am very
happy about this hour of the Armed Forces, for it joins us all
together. Some of you left your mothers, your parents at home,
others their wives, their brides, their brothers, their children.
In all these weeks, they will be thinking of you, saying to themselves:
my God, there he sits in Poland where there are so many
lice and Jews, perhaps he is hungry and cold, perhaps he is
afraid to write. It would not be a bad idea then to send our dear
ones back home a picture, and tell them: well now, there are not
so many lice and Jews any more, and conditions here in the Government
General have changed and improved somewhat already.
Of course, I could not eliminate all lice and Jews in only one
year’s time.’ (public amused) But in the course of time, and
above all, if you help me, this end will be attained.
After all, it is
not necessary for us to accomplish everything within a year and
right away for what would otherwise be left for those who follow
us to do?

Shirer erroneously assumed that the date “10/7/40” applies to all the paragraphs below. This cannot be, of course, since there are more than 200 pages separating the two excerpts! And if you look at the same speech in IMT (see my previous comment linked above), the speech is clearly dated Dec. 19.
So it was the NCA editors’ oversight in not assigning the date, Shirer’s sloppiness in not noticing the page count and not cross-checking with the IMT version.

But at least Shirer gives the correct source.

Shermer clearly relied on Shirer. Here is Shirer:

Frank did not neglect the Jews, even if the Gestapo had filched the direct task of extermination away from him. His journal is full of his thoughts and accomplishments on the subject. On October 7, 1940, it records a speech he made that day to a Nazi assembly in Poland summing up his first year of effort.

My dear Comrades! … I could not eliminate all lice and Jews in only one year. [”Public amused,” he notes down at this point.] But in the course of time, and if you help me, this end will be attained.

Here’s Shermer:

On October 7, 1940, in a speech to a Nazi assembly, Hans Frank, head of the Generalgouvernement (the governmental administration over Poland’s four districts of Krakow, Warsaw, Radom, and Lublin), summed up his first year:

“My dear Comrades! … I could not eliminate [ausrotten] all lice and Jews in only one year. But in the course of time, and if you help me, this end will be attained.”

The phrasing is the same, and they quote basically the same parts (with “my dear comrades” actually belonging to another speech, which is skipped by both authors).

Let’s compare their endnotes again.
Shirer: NCA, IV, p. 891 (N.D. 2233-C-PS)
Shermer: N.D. 3363-PS, 891.

Page 891 is a page in the 4th NCA volume, not a page of the original document! It’s meaningless otherwise. Shermer’s endnote should have included the NCA reference. Moreover, as pointed out, Shermer gets the document number completely wrong. But interestingly enough, the same document (PS-3363) is referenced by Shirer in the same chapter (see e.g. note 37 here - and keep in mind that the Frank endnote is 41 - quite close).

Shermer’s sloppiness thus acquires a slight whiff of plagiarism, at least as far as I’m concerned.

Anyway, this explains why Shermer misdated the Frank speech and possibly explains why he referenced a wrong document (if he was relying on Shirer - without checking the original sources - and somehow mixed up Shirer’s endnotes).

This still doesn’t explain the main error, namely, why Shermer claims that Frank used the word “ausrotten” though he used the word “beseitigen”. The meaning of “ausrotten” plays a big role in Shermer’s book so it’s not just a secondary detail.

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I Stand With Planned Parenthood  Oct 25, 2015 • 6:34:33am
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HappyWarrior  Oct 25, 2015 • 6:39:54am

re: #97 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

UpChuck has weighed in on the Baby Hitler question, and says he would adopt him and raise him to be more PC (though Chuck does not use that term, of course).

I think he’s trying to be witty.

He’s an idiot.

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Oct 25, 2015 • 6:42:52am

Radio Voice I would like to ask the team what they would do if they were Hitler.
I would like to ask the team what they would do if they were Hitler.
Man’s Voice Gerald?
Another Voice Well I’d annex the Sudeterland and sign a non-aggression pact with Russia.
First Man’s Voice Norman?
Norman’s Voice Well I’d do the Reichstag bathroom in purples and golds and ban abortion on demand…

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Oct 25, 2015 • 6:44:37am

re: #102 HappyWarrior

He’s an idiot.

I had to look up Mencius Moldbug (Chuck spelled it wrong) to refresh my memory. It’s the nom de plume of Curtis Yarvin, a neo-reactionary.

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b.d.  Oct 25, 2015 • 6:45:42am

Everybody talks about killing baby Hitler but no one ever does anything about it.

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Oct 25, 2015 • 6:47:22am

re: #104 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

I had to look up Mencius Moldbug (Chuck spelled it wrong) to refresh my memory. It’s the nom de plume of Curtis Yarvin, a neo-reactionary.

you can’t expect a cutting-edge, award-wining journalist to waste time and energy on things like corecct spelinge

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Oct 25, 2015 • 6:47:22am

re: #105 b.d.

Everybody talks about killing baby Hitler but no one ever does anything about it.

We can put a man on the Moon, but we can’t kill baby Hitler.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Oct 25, 2015 • 6:48:13am

re: #106 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

you can’t expect a cutting-edge, award-wining journalist to waste time and energy on things like corecct spelinge

since age 11, when he was a paperboy.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 25, 2015 • 6:50:45am

re: #104 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

I had to look up Mencius Moldbug (Chuck spelled it wrong) to refresh my memory. It’s the nom de plume of Curtis Yarvin, a neo-reactionary.

Ah never heard that name before. This is all a very stupid hypothetical but really I think it’s easy what the solution is. You get a seat at the Versailes Peace Conference and talk the Allies- Lloyd George, Clemenceau, Wilson, etc into giving terms that don’t ruin Germany. Or even then, you have better economic management which CCJ’s hero Cal Coolidge could have done in the 20’s. I’d argue that two big factors made the NSADP’s success responsibility- resentment over Versailes and the global depression. I think one can’t happen without the other.

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Nyet  Oct 25, 2015 • 6:54:13am

Even if changing past were possible (it’s not, at least for us, those who dwell inside our spacetime), and even if it were a good idea (it’s not, and it arguably makes you a mega-murderer), why is the question about killing a baby, even though there are like hundreds of ways to push that baby out of the chain of events leading to it becoming a monster without killing it? Are people at NYT sick in the head or something?

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Oct 25, 2015 • 6:54:54am

re: #109 HappyWarrior

Ah never heard that name before. This is all a very stupid hypothetical but really I think it’s easy what the solution is. You get a seat at the Versailes Peace Conference and talk the Allies- Lloyd George, Clemenceau, Wilson, etc into giving terms that don’t ruin Germany. Or even then, you have better economic management which CCJ’s hero Cal Coolidge could have done in the 20’s. I’d argue that two big factors made the NSADP’s success responsibility- resentment over Versailes and the global depression. I think one can’t happen without the other.

Or you go back even further and convince Kaiser Wilhelm that marching his army through neutral Belgium to invade France is a really dumb idea, and in the long run will harm Germany more than anyone else, really.

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b.d.  Oct 25, 2015 • 6:55:33am

re: #109 HappyWarrior

Ah never heard that name before. This is all a very stupid hypothetical but really I think it’s easy what the solution is. You get a seat at the Versailes Peace Conference and talk the Allies- Lloyd George, Clemenceau, Wilson, etc into giving terms that don’t ruin Germany. Or even then, you have better economic management which CCJ’s hero Cal Coolidge could have done in the 20’s. I’d argue that two big factors made the NSADP’s success responsibility- resentment over Versailes and the global depression. I think one can’t happen without the other.

How come Chuck’s hero, Calvin Coolidge, didn’t kill baby Hitler when he had the chance?

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Nyet  Oct 25, 2015 • 6:56:07am

re: #106 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

you can’t expect a cutting-edge, award-wining journalist to waste time and energy on things like corecct spelinge

His spelinge is corecct bi 16th sentury standarts.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 25, 2015 • 6:56:10am

re: #111 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

Or you go back even further and convince Kaiser Wilhelm that marching his army through neutral Belgium to invade France is a really dumb idea, and in the long run will harm Germany more than anyone else, really.

Right.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 25, 2015 • 6:56:48am

re: #112 b.d.

How come Chuck’s hero, Calvin Coolidge, didn’t kill baby Hitler when he had the chance?

That’s a good point. He was alive when Hitler was a baby. And he would have been silent about it too! //

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I Stand With Planned Parenthood  Oct 25, 2015 • 6:57:18am
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HappyWarrior  Oct 25, 2015 • 6:58:23am

re: #110 Nyet

Even if changing past were possible (it’s not, at least for us, those who dwell inside our spacetime), and even if it were a good idea (it’s not, and it arguably makes you a mega-murderer), why is the question about killing a baby, even though there are like hundreds of ways to push that baby out of the chain of events leading to it becoming a monster without killing it? Are people at NYT sick in the head or something?

Because it’s sensationalist. Asking your readers if they’d rather off a baby Hitler is more compelling than asking would you do the Paris Peace Conference differently since I think most people don’t even know what that is in America. It is fucked up though.

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Nyet  Oct 25, 2015 • 7:00:19am

re: #117 HappyWarrior

HURR HURR WE MADE U THINK ABOUT KILLING A BABY OH WE ARE SO EDGY HURR HURR

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Doofus  Oct 25, 2015 • 7:00:35am

I would go back 6,000 years and cut down the God-damn apple tree.

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I Stand With Planned Parenthood  Oct 25, 2015 • 7:01:53am
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I Stand With Planned Parenthood  Oct 25, 2015 • 7:02:17am

re: #119 Doofus

I would go back 6,000 years and cut down the God-damn apple tree.

Damn good answer!

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HappyWarrior  Oct 25, 2015 • 7:02:47am

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A little late for that. I wonder if Bush will ever admit it was a mistake.

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Nyet  Oct 25, 2015 • 7:02:57am

re: #119 Doofus

I would go back 6,000 years and cut down the God-damn apple tree.

It was 7500 years ago and it was a fig tree, you heretic.

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I Stand With Planned Parenthood  Oct 25, 2015 • 7:03:25am
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HappyWarrior  Oct 25, 2015 • 7:03:37am

You could always go back and time and tell Alois Hitler to be a nicer dad and husband.

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I Stand With Planned Parenthood  Oct 25, 2015 • 7:03:55am

re: #123 Nyet

It was 7500 years ago and it was a fig tree, you heretic.

I like figs a lot more than I like apples!

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Nyet  Oct 25, 2015 • 7:04:15am

re: #120 I Stand With Planned Parenthood

Yeah, he should be saying this after getting a sentence. Words are cheap.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Oct 25, 2015 • 7:05:43am

re: #126 I Stand With Planned Parenthood

I like figs a lot more than I like apples!

Now I want Fig Newtons. {Opens online shopping site}

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Nyet  Oct 25, 2015 • 7:05:52am

PS: 7500 years are from the Septuagint, the Bible used by the early Church and by the gospel Jesus. Fundies got it all wrong! :P

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I Stand With Planned Parenthood  Oct 25, 2015 • 7:06:07am
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I Stand With Planned Parenthood  Oct 25, 2015 • 7:06:28am

re: #128 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

Now I want Fig Newtons. {Opens online shopping site}

fig butter!

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I Stand With Planned Parenthood  Oct 25, 2015 • 7:06:57am

re: #129 Nyet

PS: 7500 years are from the Septuagint, the Bible used by the early Church and by the gospel Jesus. Fundies got it all wrong! :P

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Doofus  Oct 25, 2015 • 7:07:30am

An Engineer dies and reports to the pearly gates.

St. Peter checks his dossier and says, “Ah, you’re an engineer — you’re assigned to hell.”

So the engineer reports to the gates of hell and is let in. Pretty soon, the engineer gets dissatisfied with the level of accommodations and starts designing and building improvements.

After a while, they’ve got air-conditioning and flush toilets, escalators, elevators and so on … and the engineer is a pretty popular guy.

One day, God calls Satan on the telephone.

“So, how’s it going down there in hell?” God says.

“Hey, things are going great. We’ve got air-conditioning and flush toilets and escalators. There’s no telling what our engineer is going to come up with next!” Satan says.

“What? You’ve got an engineer? That’s a mistake — he should have never gotten down there. Send him back immediately!” God says.

“No way! I like having an engineer on the staff — I’m keeping him!” Satan says.

“Send him back up here or I’ll sue!” God says.

Satan laughs uproariously and answers:

“Yeah, right. And just where are you going to get a lawyer?”

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I Stand With Planned Parenthood  Oct 25, 2015 • 7:10:02am

Christian Fundamentalists’ Plot Against the Constitution: What Kim Davis’ Newly Unearthed Emails Reveal

As Mark Joseph Stern observed, “These are not the words of a rational public servant attempting to do her taxpayer-funded job to the best of her abilities…These are the words of a religious fanatic who views herself as the protagonist in an epic, possibly biblical battle between good and evil - a millennialist zealot who hopes the rapture, rather than mere earthly courts, will intervene to save her.”

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Kid A  Oct 25, 2015 • 7:11:30am

Droopy is on MTP. He is one scary fucker.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Oct 25, 2015 • 7:11:35am

re: #133 Doofus

I hear there’s a lawyer in St. Louis who would sue the Devil for a sandwich …

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Kid A  Oct 25, 2015 • 7:12:48am

re: #124 I Stand With Planned Parenthood

Goldwater would be considered a flaming liberal today with his support of gay rights, abortion, etc.

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Kid A  Oct 25, 2015 • 7:13:55am

re: #120 I Stand With Planned Parenthood

Thanks for eventually coming around, you bastard.

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The Vicious Babushka  Oct 25, 2015 • 7:16:34am

what in the utter fuck

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Nyet  Oct 25, 2015 • 7:17:00am

It came to me!

Mendacious Goldbug

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HappyWarrior  Oct 25, 2015 • 7:17:34am

re: #137 Kid A

Goldwater would be considered a flaming liberal today with his support of gay rights, abortion, etc.

He wouldn’t make it out of a GOP primary these days. Maybe he’d be a rep but a pro-choice, pro-gay rights Republican in AZ? Nope. Plus you know the “pro family” groups would spend crazy against him.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 25, 2015 • 7:19:11am

re: #139 The Vicious Babushka

what in the utter fuck

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You know who are like slave owners, Ben, slave owners. Likening rape victims to slave owners is a disgusting analogy you fucker.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 25, 2015 • 7:19:36am

And of course Carson’s numbers will go up beacuse the GOP base loves shitting on rape victims.

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I Stand With Planned Parenthood  Oct 25, 2015 • 7:19:38am
Short of Ted Cruz, Jordan probably set the land speed record with most Americans for going from “guy I’ve never heard of before” to “guy I wish would jump up his own asshole.” His entire schtick seemed to be based on the presumption that bullshit magically turns into less bullshit the faster it comes out. During every round he eventually abandoned the slow pace of his first questions in favor of rapidly testifying at Hillary to produce the statements that neither she nor the factual record were able to provide him. “You picked the video narrative. You picked the one with no evidence. And you did it because Libya was supposed to be…this great success story,” he said during one of his filibusters. “You can live with a protest about a video. That won’t hurt you. But a terrorist attack will. So you can’t be square with the American people.”

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Oct 25, 2015 • 7:20:37am

re: #139 The Vicious Babushka

Ben Carson opposes abortion for rape victims while comparing them to ‘slave owners’

“And all you have to do is go and look up the many stories of people who have led very useful lives who are the result of rape or incest.”

and think of all the victims of rape and incest who went on to lead useful, fulfilled lives…

fer fuck’s sake. these people cannot hear what they are saying.

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Nyet  Oct 25, 2015 • 7:20:38am
Blair is asked bluntly in the CNN interview, to be broadcast today: ‘Was the Iraq War a mistake?’
He replies: ‘I apologise for the fact that the intelligence we received was wrong.
‘I also apologise for some of the mistakes in planning and, certainly, our mistake in our understanding of what would happen once you removed the regime.’

Um.

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Kid A  Oct 25, 2015 • 7:21:44am

re: #139 The Vicious Babushka

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The Vicious Babushka  Oct 25, 2015 • 7:25:44am

re: #142 HappyWarrior

You know who are like slave owners, Ben, slave owners. Likening rape victims to slave owners is a disgusting analogy you fucker.

He had to come up with a line to top TEH JUICE COULD OF WON TEH HOLOCAUST WITH A BUNCH UV GUNZ HURR HURR

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HappyWarrior  Oct 25, 2015 • 7:27:12am

re: #148 The Vicious Babushka

He had to come up with a line to top TEH JUICE COULD OF WON TEH HOLOCAUST WITH A BUNCH UV GUNZ HURR HURR

I know, I never thought he could top that. I think he’s honestly a bigger asshole than Trump is.

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I Stand With Planned Parenthood  Oct 25, 2015 • 7:27:33am
I never bought that argument, for a lot of reasons, but Trey Gowdy made it look pretty good Thursday. Those idiots represent everything that is wrong not just with the Republican Party, but with modern politics in general. It’s hard to imagine a political compromise that wouldn’t be justified if its true aim would be to keep people like those jackasses out of power.

What was that whole thing about? What was Gowdy trying to prove? That Sidney Blumenthal had Hillary’s private email address, and an ambassador didn’t?

The overriding implication of the Benghazi hearing seemed to be that Hillary Clinton was so crass, unfeeling and politically self-involved as to not care if members of her State Department were massacred. Again, Hillary has a lot of flaws, but we’re supposed to believe that she doesn’t have a problem with dead Americans? Seriously?

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Oct 25, 2015 • 7:27:38am

re: #142 HappyWarrior

You know who are like slave owners, Ben, slave owners. Likening rape victims to slave owners is a disgusting analogy you fucker.

If you are convinced that legal personhood commences at conception, then this is the logical outcome of your line of thought.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 25, 2015 • 7:28:20am

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Jordan is the one who stood out to my dad as a particularly big fucker form what he saw of the hearing. He also was a huge jerk to Cecille Richards too. I think he has a problem with women.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 25, 2015 • 7:29:11am

re: #151 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

If you are convinced that legal personhood commences at conception, then this is the logical outcome of your line of thought.

Of course, doesn’t make that any less fucked up. He could at least pretend to show some empathy to rape victims who get impregnated by their rapists.

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dholmes32  Oct 25, 2015 • 7:31:03am

re: #71 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

Maybe it’s the perspective or the lighting, but Daleiden looks like a cardboard cutout in this shot.

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But remember kids, DD definitely did not give those videos to Chuck!

Also remember, kids, that the paperwork for “Center for Medical Progress” in California shows that Daleiden helped create the group with the assistance of the head of the notorious anti-abortion group Operation Rescue. You know, Troy Newman, who was forcibly deported from Australia at the beginning of the month as an undesirable. Yeah, that’s the company Chuckles keeps.

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I Stand With Planned Parenthood  Oct 25, 2015 • 7:32:37am

re: #153 HappyWarrior

Of course, doesn’t make that any less fucked up. He could at least pretend to show some empathy to rape victims who get impregnated by their rapists.

they should be thrilled —they got both dick and a pregnancy —thus fulfilling their mission in life

/gah

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I Stand With Planned Parenthood  Oct 25, 2015 • 7:33:53am

re: #152 HappyWarrior

Jordan is the one who stood out to my dad as a particularly big fucker form what he saw of the hearing. He also was a huge jerk to Cecille Richards too. I think he has a problem with women.

I think they all have a problem with women —not staying in their places—on the pedestal or underfoot. Whichever applies.

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ObserverArt  Oct 25, 2015 • 7:35:48am

re: #110 Nyet

Even if changing past were possible (it’s not, at least for us, those who dwell inside our spacetime), and even if it were a good idea (it’s not, and it arguably makes you a mega-murderer), why is the question about killing a baby, even though there are like hundreds of ways to push that baby out of the chain of events leading to it becoming a monster without killing it? Are people at NYT sick in the head or something?

I have no idea where it started and what started it, but does abortion choice have something to do with it? Say for instance, if you are against abortion for any reason, and if you knew this one baby would be Hitler, by being against abortion you are allowing a future mad man to go through to that future.

And no, I have not followed this closely…just logged in and tossing a thought out there about what could start this type of what if.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Oct 25, 2015 • 7:36:06am

re: #156 I Stand With Planned Parenthood

I think they all have a problem with women —not staying in their places—on the pedestal or underfoot. Whichever applies.

or with anyone who’s not a white christian male

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ObserverArt  Oct 25, 2015 • 7:37:33am

re: #119 Doofus

I would go back 6,000 years and cut down the God-damn apple tree.

No no no…you gotta kill the baby snake!

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allegro  Oct 25, 2015 • 7:38:57am

re: #151 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

If you are convinced that legal personhood commences at conception, then this is the logical outcome of your line of thought.

Only if one eliminates the personhood of women.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 25, 2015 • 7:40:05am

re: #156 I Stand With Planned Parenthood

I think they all have a problem with women —not staying in their places—on the pedestal or underfoot. Whichever applies.

I know but Jordan especially stands out.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 25, 2015 • 7:41:35am

These guys always talk about eliminating abortion rather than doing something to reduce the causes of abortion. They all oppose sex ed, they all think contraception shouldn’t readily be available, etc. In short. Their motto is “Tough shit bitch, you’re pregnant now have that baby.”

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Bird in the Paw  Oct 25, 2015 • 7:41:40am

Ure: #87 Teukka

*nods*

I wonder if even observing the past would change it?

Yes. I believe Turtledove has done some of that analysis in a variety of his alt-histories.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Oct 25, 2015 • 7:42:51am

re: #159 ObserverArt

No no no…you gotta kill the baby snake!

Satan would just find another animal to trick Eve into gnoshing on the fruit. But cutting down the Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil might mean Eve and Adam would instead raid the Tree of Everlasting Life. And then think of the mess we’d be in.

This weekend, I attended the provincial English speaking contest, which for once was held in a nearby city. One of the contestants cited Eve’s eating the apple as a good thing, because it gave humans the ability to distinguish good and evil.

That’s Bible interpretation with a Chinese perspective.

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The Vicious Babushka  Oct 25, 2015 • 7:45:01am

MOST FUCKED UP MEME OF THE DAY==>

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ObserverArt  Oct 25, 2015 • 7:45:09am

re: #150 I Stand With Planned Parenthood

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Hillary being a cold and unfeeling ‘witch’ woman is all they want to push. The whole image was pushed by the likes of Rush Limpballs all during the Clinton years of the 90s. It stuck all the time after and they are still pushing it. One of the clear reasons the whole thing was a 5 million dollar congressional political commercial.

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FormerDirtDart  Oct 25, 2015 • 7:46:16am
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HappyWarrior  Oct 25, 2015 • 7:47:08am

re: #165 The Vicious Babushka

MOST FUCKED UP MEME OF THE DAY==>

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God they’re creepy.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 25, 2015 • 7:47:37am

re: #167 FormerDirtDart

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Whoa.

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ObserverArt  Oct 25, 2015 • 7:48:06am

re: #162 HappyWarrior

These guys always talk about eliminating abortion rather than doing something to reduce the causes of abortion. They all oppose sex ed, they all think contraception shouldn’t readily be available, etc. In short. Their motto is “Tough shit bitch, you’re pregnant now have that baby.”

It’s all called “going against God’s plan.”

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I Stand With Planned Parenthood  Oct 25, 2015 • 7:48:28am

re: #164 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

Satan would just find another animal to trick Eve into gnoshing on the fruit. But cutting down the Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil might mean Eve and Adam would instead raid the Tree of Everlasting Life. And then think of the mess we’d be in.

This weekend, I attended the provincial English speaking contest, which for once was held in a nearby city. One of the contestants cited Eve’s eating the apple as a good thing, because it gave humans the ability to distinguish good and evil.

That’s Bible interpretation with a Chinese perspective.

“and you will know good and evil” (paraphrased from Genesis)

This has puzzled me. Is there something wrong wit knowing good and evil? Is it better to live in a bubble called Eden and not participate in the rest of the world?

The whole interpretation of Genesis with which I grew-up made no sense to me then or now.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Oct 25, 2015 • 7:48:57am

re: #165 The Vicious Babushka

I thought it was diamonds. Carol Channing had it all wrong.

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I Stand With Planned Parenthood  Oct 25, 2015 • 7:49:31am

re: #172 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

I thought it was diamonds. Carol Channing had it all wrong.

IT IS DIAMOND! and gold and T-bills … .

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b.d.  Oct 25, 2015 • 7:49:32am

re: #167 FormerDirtDart

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Granted there isn’t a lot to chose from but are the GOP really this gullible/stupid?

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FormerDirtDart  Oct 25, 2015 • 7:51:19am

re: #169 HappyWarrior

Whoa.

New Hampshire, with it’s Modified Primary, could interesting to watch

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I Stand With Planned Parenthood  Oct 25, 2015 • 7:53:55am
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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Oct 25, 2015 • 7:53:57am

re: #171 I Stand With Planned Parenthood

“and you will know good and evil” (paraphrased from Genesis)

This has puzzled me. Is there something wrong wit knowing good and evil? Is it better to live in a bubble called Eden and not participate in the rest of the world?

The whole interpretation of Genesis with which I grew-up made no sense to me then or now.

I think the idea was only YHWH and his assorted fellow gods of the time knew what was good and what was evil, and like an overprotective parent he wanted to keep Adam and Eve sheltered from the bad stuff for reasons. If A&E knew about G&E, then they’d be like the gods, or something.

Really, the story is pretty stupid. Every parent knows telling a kid “Don’t do that!” guarantees the kid will try at least once. Either God was a clueless, helicopter parent, or he was setting the kids up for a fall (heh heh) from the start.

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The Vicious Babushka  Oct 25, 2015 • 7:56:04am

re: #162 HappyWarrior

These guys always talk about eliminating abortion rather than doing something to reduce the causes of abortion. They all oppose sex ed, they all think contraception shouldn’t readily be available, etc. In short. Their motto is “Tough shit bitch, you’re pregnant now have that baby.”

Women aren’t people, they’re just hotel rooms.

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I Stand With Planned Parenthood  Oct 25, 2015 • 7:56:06am

The reason for the GOP’s Blumenthal secrecy finally revealed

Here’s what mattered to their investigation:

•On Blumenthal’s alleged business activities in Libya: more than 270 questions
•On Blumenthal’s relationship with Clinton: more than 160 questions
•On the Clinton Foundation: more than 50 questions
•On David Brock/Media Matters: more than 45 questions

Here’s what didn’t matter:

•On the Benghazi attacks: less than 20 questions
•On security in Benghazi: only 4 questions
•On the U.S. presence in Benghazi: 0 (zip, nada) questions
•On Ambassador Stevens and other U.S. personnel in Benghazi: 0 (zip, nada) questions

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Oct 25, 2015 • 7:56:57am

re: #176 I Stand With Planned Parenthood

Gov. LePage says public campaign financing like “giving your wife your checkbook”

Is it me, or are all GOP governors completely insane?

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ObserverArt  Oct 25, 2015 • 7:57:24am

re: #177 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

I think the idea was only YHWH and his assorted fellow gods of the time knew what was good and what was evil, and like an overprotective parent he wanted to keep Adam and Eve sheltered from the bad stuff for reasons. If A&E knew about G&E, then they’d be like the gods, or something.

Really, the story is pretty stupid. Every parent knows telling a kid “Don’t do that!” guarantees the kid will try at least once. Either God was a clueless, helicopter parent, or he was setting the kids up for a fall (heh heh) from the start.

“God” can be an evil son of a gun. After all, he created Hitler. And, he will allow no one to stop him.

(How’s that for tying some loose strings together?)

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I Stand With Planned Parenthood  Oct 25, 2015 • 7:57:56am

re: #177 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

I think the idea was only YHWH and his assorted fellow gods of the time knew what was good and what was evil, and like an overprotective parent he wanted to keep Adam and Eve sheltered from the bad stuff for reasons. If A&E knew about G&E, then they’d be like the gods, or something.

Really, the story is pretty stupid. Every parent knows telling a kid “Don’t do that!” guarantees the kid will try at least once. Either God was a clueless, helicopter parent, or he was setting the kids up for a fall (heh heh) from the start.

It still doesn’t make sense to me. There were other humans —they just lived outside the Garden —yes?

It’s a stupid story made-up by men, for men as a means to gain and keep power.

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I Stand With Planned Parenthood  Oct 25, 2015 • 7:58:29am

re: #181 ObserverArt

“God” can be an evil son of a gun. After all, he created Hitler. And, he will allow no one to stop him.

(How’s that for tying some loose strings together?)

FREE WILL!!!!!

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allegro  Oct 25, 2015 • 7:59:54am

re: #182 I Stand With Planned Parenthood

It still doesn’t make sense to me. There were other humans —they just lived outside the Garden —yes?

It’s a stupid story made-up by men, for men as a means to gain and keep power.

And blame women for all their problems.

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dholmes32  Oct 25, 2015 • 8:04:18am

re: #139 The Vicious Babushka

what in the utter fuck

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So he’s going with slavery of the woman to a blastocyst or embryo? I don’t think so.

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Joe Bacon  Oct 25, 2015 • 8:06:17am

I’ve played the last couple Bob and Chez shows a couple times. Bob Cesca’s impersonation of Ben Carson with Brahm’s Lullaby playing in the background has me in stitches. Can’t stop laughing.

And then Bob adds in Cason talking to Paper WIllie. Can’t stop ROTFLMAO!

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Oct 25, 2015 • 8:08:55am

re: #184 allegro

And blame women for all their problems.

And snakes.

re: #182 I Stand With Planned Parenthood

It still doesn’t make sense to me. There were other humans —they just lived outside the Garden —yes?

The other humans were not the Hebrews, I suppose, originally. The idea of Adam and Eve being the parents of everyone, everywhere came much later in history.

Ken Ham (the wackadoodle Answers in Genesis guy) argued once that Adam and Eve’s kids just married each other to perpetuate the species. Still doesn’t explain the nephilim and the “daughters of men” mentioned elsewhere in Genesis.

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I Stand With Planned Parenthood  Oct 25, 2015 • 8:09:36am
In assessing a prospective president, you might also want to consider a candidate’s stamina, seeing as he or she is angling for perhaps the most demanding job on earth. After at least nine hours of testimony in an 11-hour stretch, Clinton proved she’s got stamina in spades. We likely won’t be hearing much more talk about whether she’s too old for the job.

And when pondering the qualifications for the purported leader of the free world, you probably want someone who can be tough. One thing we learned from Thursday’s remarkable hearing is that there’s tough—and then there’s Hillary-tough. And Hillary-tough is a thing to behold.

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Joe Bacon  Oct 25, 2015 • 8:10:47am

re: #182 I Stand With Planned Parenthood

It still doesn’t make sense to me. There were other humans —they just lived outside the Garden —yes?

It’s a stupid story made-up by men, for men as a means to gain and keep power.

My fundy relatives keep BS’ing about the “Inerrant Word Of God” and that the King James Bible is infallible.

I then remind them that according to their book of fractured fairy tales, Adam and Eve were the only 2 people on the earth to begin with. And they had 3 sons. No daughters. So who did Cain, Abel and Seth get down with?

My relatives reply that there were other humans on the earth at the same time.

My reply—well, why doesn’t your book of fractured fairy tales say that?

The look on their face—priceless…

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I Stand With Planned Parenthood  Oct 25, 2015 • 8:11:13am

re: #187 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

And snakes.

The other humans were not the Hebrews, I suppose, originally. The idea of Adam and Eve being the parents of everyone, everywhere came much later in history.

Ken Ham (the wackadoodle Answers in Genesis guy) argued once that Adam and Eve’s kids just married each other to perpetuate the species. Still doesn’t explain the nephilim and the “daughters of men” mentioned elsewhere in Genesis.

daughters-of-men, but not daughters-of-God?

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I Stand With Planned Parenthood  Oct 25, 2015 • 8:12:58am
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Joe Bacon  Oct 25, 2015 • 8:13:11am

re: #183 I Stand With Planned Parenthood

FREE WILL!!!!!

Gosh, If I were a Calvinist, I’d reply that The Big G predestined Hitler…

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Oct 25, 2015 • 8:13:40am

re: #190 I Stand With Planned Parenthood

daughters-of-men, but not daughters-of-God?

He gave them up for adoption.

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Ace-o-aces  Oct 25, 2015 • 8:14:24am

re: #187 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

And snakes.

The other humans were not the Hebrews, I suppose, originally. The idea of Adam and Eve being the parents of everyone, everywhere came much later in history.

Ken Ham (the wackadoodle Answers in Genesis guy) argued once that Adam and Eve’s kids just married each other to perpetuate the species. Still doesn’t explain the nephilim and the “daughters of men” mentioned elsewhere in Genesis.

The Bible is making reference to a ancient mythology that has long since been lost, but would have been familiar to those at the time of it’s writing.

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Nyet  Oct 25, 2015 • 8:14:50am

re: #189 Joe Bacon

My fundy relatives keep BS’ing about the “Inerrant Word Of God” and that the King James Bible is infallible.

I then remind them that according to their book of fractured fairy tales, Adam and Eve were the only 2 people on the earth to begin with. And they had 3 sons. No daughters. So who did Cain, Abel and Seth get down with?

With their sisters (the Bible doesn’t say no daughters). Incest all the way, yay! But morality is absolute and not situational!/

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I Stand With Planned Parenthood  Oct 25, 2015 • 8:14:52am
Because there’s nothing so threatening to patriarchy as a smart woman—especially one who is playing to win.
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Romantic Heretic  Oct 25, 2015 • 8:15:06am

re: #139 The Vicious Babushka

Dr. Carson? Will you please shut your festering piehole, you ignorant, heartless asshole?

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Nyet  Oct 25, 2015 • 8:15:23am

re: #187 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

Nephilim are the angel-human hybrids…

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I Stand With Planned Parenthood  Oct 25, 2015 • 8:16:20am

This is one of my favorite headlines for the month:
Can We Stop Pretending That Ben Carson Is Running for President?

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Nyet  Oct 25, 2015 • 8:16:22am

X-Files, ancient Hebrew style…

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Oct 25, 2015 • 8:16:49am

re: #198 Nyet

Nephilim are the angel-human hybrids…

Right. I forgot my Biblical biology.

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I Stand With Planned Parenthood  Oct 25, 2015 • 8:17:12am

re: #198 Nyet

Nephilim are the angel-human hybrids…

Wait, so if there was already good and evil for Adam and Eve to know —it was being happened by the Nephilim?

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ipsos  Oct 25, 2015 • 8:17:52am

So I made the mistake of watching Trey Gowdy on Press the Meat this morning. I think the one thing I learned is that the goober doesn’t know what “penultimate” actually means, which is no surprise, really.

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I Stand With Planned Parenthood  Oct 25, 2015 • 8:17:57am

Are Nephilim like demi-gods of the Greek and Roman flavor —Achilles, Diana etc …

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Dr Lizardo  Oct 25, 2015 • 8:18:02am

re: #189 Joe Bacon

Anyone who’s even remotely rational knows full well that Genesis is simply one of innumerable creation myths found throughout human cultures all over the planet. That there are people out there who take it seriously - and literally - is mind-boggling.

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I Stand With Planned Parenthood  Oct 25, 2015 • 8:18:16am

re: #203 ipsos

So I made the mistake of watching Trey Gowdy on Press the Meat this morning. I think the one thing I learned is that the goober doesn’t know what “penultimate” actually means, which is no surprise, really.

He is just not right.

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Joe Bacon  Oct 25, 2015 • 8:18:25am

re: #198 Nyet

Nephilim are the angel-human hybrids…

I’ve met a bunch of ladies who are real angels. There must be plenty of them Nephilimi still strolling the streets! ;)

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Oct 25, 2015 • 8:18:28am

re: #202 I Stand With Planned Parenthood

Wait, so if there was already good and evil for Adam and Eve to know —it was being happened by the Nephilim?

The angels were on shore leave, and well, boys will be boys …

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Joe Bacon  Oct 25, 2015 • 8:19:36am

re: #208 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

The angels were on shore leave, and well, boys will be boys …

So Studio 54 was right next to the Garden of Eden!

Whodathunkit??????

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dholmes32  Oct 25, 2015 • 8:20:26am

re: #205 Dr Lizardo

Anyone who’s even remotely rational knows full well that Genesis is simply one of innumerable creation myths found throughout human cultures all over the planet. That there are people out there who take it seriously - and literally - is mind-boggling.

Ken Ham rakes in millions of dollars a year to promote an ahistorical view of the world. Moreover, young earth creationism is so much an article of faith for these guys that if you don’t believe it, you can’t possibly be a Christian (according to them) no matter what you might think about Jesus.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 25, 2015 • 8:20:40am

re: #203 ipsos

So I made the mistake of watching Trey Gowdy on Press the Meat this morning. I think the one thing I learned is that the goober doesn’t know what “penultimate” actually means, which is no surprise, really.

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Joe Bacon  Oct 25, 2015 • 8:20:50am

re: #206 I Stand With Planned Parenthood

He is just not right.

I refuse to watch Meet The Presstitute. I can imagine Chuck U tossing softball after softball to Gowdy Doody…

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Dr Lizardo  Oct 25, 2015 • 8:20:56am

re: #209 Joe Bacon

So Studio 54 was right next to the Garden of Eden!

Whodathunkit??????

Or maybe the Garden of Eden was Studio 54.

Mind blown!

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Nyet  Oct 25, 2015 • 8:21:42am

re: #204 I Stand With Planned Parenthood

Nephilim were giants… IIRC some traditions hold it that the flood happened in order to wipe them out…

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Dr Lizardo  Oct 25, 2015 • 8:22:16am

re: #210 dholmes32

Ken Ham rakes in millions of dollars a year to promote an ahistorical view of the world. Moreover, young earth creationism is so much an article of faith for these guys that if you don’t believe it, you can’t possibly be a Christian (according to them) no matter what you might think about Jesus.

In my more cynical moments, such news simply serves to remind me that I’m in the wrong business. Peddling bullshit? The sure-fire way to fame and fortune.

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Joe Bacon  Oct 25, 2015 • 8:22:50am

If you thought Gowdy Doody and the GOP Peanut Gallery going after Hillary was bad enough you ain’t seen nothing yet!

Watch Marsha And the Brady Bunch go after Planned Parenthood the same way!

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Nyet  Oct 25, 2015 • 8:23:11am

re: #215 Dr Lizardo

Sucks to have a conscience. /

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Oct 25, 2015 • 8:23:17am

re: #204 I Stand With Planned Parenthood

Are Nephilim like demi-gods of the Greek and Roman flavor —Achilles, Diana etc …

Kinda sorta. The Greek demigods resulted from Zeus and others mating with humans. But angels are not technically gods, so the nephilim were not really demigods in the same sense as Achilles and Herakles. Maybe they were hemidemisemigods.

Jesus, on the other hand, had a mortal mother and God was his father, so Jesus could be considered a demigod, in the Greek sense.

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Dave In Austin  Oct 25, 2015 • 8:23:17am

re: #198 Nyet

I say the remaining crew of the “GALACTICA”…..

Now it makes sense!

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Nyet  Oct 25, 2015 • 8:25:54am

re: #218 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

Kinda sorta. The Greek demigods resulted from Zeus and others mating with humans. But angels are not technically gods, so the nephilim were not really demigods in the same sense as Achilles and Herakles. Maybe they were hemidemisemigods.

Jesus, on the other hand, had a mortal mother and God was his father, so Jesus could be considered a demigod, in the Greek sense.

Yes, but!™
We should take into account that Zeus and the Olympians are nothing like YHWH. They’re more like angels in their abilities. So I’d still find the comparison apt.

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Dr Lizardo  Oct 25, 2015 • 8:26:20am

re: #218 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

Kinda sorta. The Greek demigods resulted from Zeus and others mating with humans. But angels are not technically gods, so the nephilim were not really demigods in the same sense as Achilles and Herakles. Maybe they were hemidemisemigods.

Jesus, on the other hand, had a mortal mother and God was his father, so Jesus could be considered a demigod, in the Greek sense.

Just idle curiosity on my part, but is there anything in the Jewish religious and spiritual tradition such as the idea of demigods? I would think - and someone please correct me if I’m mistaken in this - that such an idea would certainly have been considered blasphemous in Judaism.

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Nyet  Oct 25, 2015 • 8:27:04am

re: #221 Dr Lizardo

Just idle curiosity on my part, but is there anything in the Jewish religious and spiritual tradition such as the idea of demigods? I would think - and someone please correct me if I’m mistaken in this - that such an idea would certainly have been considered blasphemous in Judaism.

Metatron.

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Timothy Watson  Oct 25, 2015 • 8:27:20am

re: #219 Dave In Austin

I say the remaining crew of the “GALACTICA”…..

Now it makes sense!

Lies, the Galactica never made it to Earth.

THE FINALE NEVER HAPPEN!

///

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I Stand With Planned Parenthood  Oct 25, 2015 • 8:27:34am
A few weeks ago at work, I spoke my mind and gave my opinion in a clear and no-bullshit way; no aggression, just blunt. The man I was working with (actually, he was working for me) said, “Whoa! We’re all on the same team here!” As if I was yelling at him. I was so shocked because nothing that I said was personal, offensive, or, to be honest, wrong. All I hear and see all day are men speaking their opinions, and I give mine in the same exact manner, and you would have thought I had said something offensive.

I’m over trying to find the “adorable” way to state my opinion and still be likable! Fuck that. I don’t think I’ve ever worked for a man in charge who spent time contemplating what angle he should use to have his voice heard. It’s just heard. Jeremy Renner, Christian Bale, and Bradley Cooper all fought and succeeded in negotiating powerful deals for themselves. If anything, I’m sure they were commended for being fierce and tactical, while I was busy worrying about coming across as a brat and not getting my fair share. Again, this might have NOTHING to do with my vagina, but I wasn’t completely wrong when another leaked Sony email revealed a producer referring to a fellow lead actress in a negotiation as a “spoiled brat.” For some reason, I just can’t picture someone saying that about a man.

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I Stand With Planned Parenthood  Oct 25, 2015 • 8:28:17am

re: #214 Nyet

Nephilim were giants… IIRC some traditions hold it that the flood happened in order to wipe them out…

cyclops?

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Nyet  Oct 25, 2015 • 8:28:36am

Metatron was actually called “the little YHWH” by some.

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I Stand With Planned Parenthood  Oct 25, 2015 • 8:28:46am

re: #215 Dr Lizardo

In my more cynical moments, such news simply serves to remind me that I’m in the wrong business. Peddling bullshit? The sure-fire way to fame and fortune.

There is a sucker born every minute.”

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Oct 25, 2015 • 8:28:55am

re: #223 Timothy Watson

Lies, the Galactica never made it to Earth.

THE FINALE NEVER HAPPEN!

///

It was a dream. They were actually all dead.

Wait, that’s another TV series. nevermind

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 25, 2015 • 8:29:40am
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Nyet  Oct 25, 2015 • 8:29:50am

Mary and the Saints are arguably the demigods of the Catholic-Orthodox Christianity.

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I Stand With Planned Parenthood  Oct 25, 2015 • 8:29:56am

re: #219 Dave In Austin

I say the remaining crew of the “GALACTICA”…..

Now it makes sense!

Yes, I think we have a winner!!!

:)

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I Stand With Planned Parenthood  Oct 25, 2015 • 8:30:50am

Where do the Titans fit into all this.

Tolkien’s creation story is so much easier to remember.

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ObserverArt  Oct 25, 2015 • 8:31:15am

re: #197 Romantic Heretic

Dr. Carson? Will you please shut your festering piehole, you ignorant, heartless asshole?

Is Chucky Todd allowing him to go on and on with no challenge to the insanity?

I may have to try to catch one of the replays later to see how Carson’s gaining in the polls might unleash even more arrogant Dr, Crazy poppycock.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Oct 25, 2015 • 8:31:29am

re: #220 Nyet

Yes, but!TM
We should take into account that Zeus and the Olympians are nothing like YHWH. They’re more like angels in their abilities. So I’d still find the comparison apt.

You’ve been listening to that Paul guy from the Levant, citizen. Don’t let those Christians lure you away from the Roman pantheon!

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Nyet  Oct 25, 2015 • 8:32:05am

re: #232 I Stand With Planned Parenthood

Where do the Titans fit into all this.

The divine generation preceding the Olympians.

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Dr. Matt  Oct 25, 2015 • 8:33:05am

re: #139 The Vicious Babushka

Everything is slavery and Hitler in Carson’s perverse world view.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Oct 25, 2015 • 8:34:20am

re: #232 I Stand With Planned Parenthood

Where do the Titans fit into all this.

Tolkien’s creation story is so much easier to remember.

The Greek myths are also a mishmosh of various traditions from different eras and cultures, with little internal consistency. Aphrodite has two origin stories, for example.

The modern equivalents are comic book superheroes.

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I Stand With Planned Parenthood  Oct 25, 2015 • 8:35:17am

re: #235 Nyet

The divine generation preceding the Olympians.

Well, I know that. Just wondered if they had a bible equivalent.

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FormerDirtDart  Oct 25, 2015 • 8:35:20am
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I Stand With Planned Parenthood  Oct 25, 2015 • 8:35:55am
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Dr Lizardo  Oct 25, 2015 • 8:36:02am

re: #222 Nyet

I thought Metatron was an archangel. I’ll have to read up on that chap.

I wonder if he looks anything like Alan Rickman? (heh)

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I Stand With Planned Parenthood  Oct 25, 2015 • 8:38:20am

re: #241 Dr Lizardo

I thought Metatron was an archangel. I’ll have to read up on that chap.

I wonder if he looks anything like Alan Rickman? (heh)

His name is way to Back to the Future for comfort …

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Oct 25, 2015 • 8:39:29am

re: #235 Nyet

The divine generation preceding the Olympians.

Cronos was one sick SOB, swallowing his kids so they couldn’t kill him.

There are parallels between Zeus and Moses. Both were hidden away as babies to prevent their deaths. Both came back for vengeance, one to free his siblings from Cronos’ belly, and the other to free the Hebrews from Pharaoh’s slavery.

After that, their paths diverge, of course.

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Not a Sparkly Vampire  Oct 25, 2015 • 8:41:02am

re: #241 Dr Lizardo

I thought Metatron was an archangel. I’ll have to read up on that chap.

I wonder if he looks anything like Alan Rickman? (heh)

Decepticon.

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Dr Lizardo  Oct 25, 2015 • 8:41:39am

re: #243 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

If I’m recalling correctly, there are uncanny similarities in the conception stories of both Jesus and Perseus. Perseus, however, wasn’t sealed into a coffin with his mother and set adrift, of course.

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FormerDirtDart  Oct 25, 2015 • 8:41:47am

re: #241 Dr Lizardo

I thought Metatron was an archangel. I’ll have to read up on that chap.

I wonder if he looks anything like Alan Rickman? (heh)

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Oct 25, 2015 • 8:46:16am

re: #245 Dr Lizardo

If I’m recalling correctly, there are uncanny similarities in the conception stories of both Jesus and Perseus. Perseus, however, wasn’t sealed into a coffin with his mother and set adrift, of course.

The early Christians borrowed heavily from pagan myths to make Jesus miraculous and also familiar to the pagans of the day. It’s not like Jehovah was the first god to impregnate a mortal girl, after all. [And Mary *was* a girl, a teenager at the time]

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Dr Lizardo  Oct 25, 2015 • 8:49:42am

re: #247 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

The early Christians borrowed heavily from pagan myths to make Jesus miraculous and also familiar to the pagans of the day. It’s not like Jehovah was the first god to impregnate a mortal girl, after all. [And Mary *was* a girl, a teenager at the time]

Yeah, it would’ve been a whole lot easier to spread early Christianity to the ancient pagan Mediterranean world if Jesus was essentially being posited as an analogue to Perseus and other demigods that part of the world was already very familiar with.

Well, that and dropping the whole circumcision thing and saying, “Yeah, don’t sweat it, bacon is still on the menu.”

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HappyWarrior  Oct 25, 2015 • 8:51:36am

re: #239 FormerDirtDart

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His whole campaign has been a bad morning.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Oct 25, 2015 • 8:52:11am

re: #248 Dr Lizardo

Yeah, it would’ve been a whole lot easier to spread early Christianity to the ancient pagan Mediterranean world if Jesus was essentially being posited as an analogue to Perseus and other demigods that part of the world was already very familiar with.

Well, that and dropping the whole circumcision thing and saying, “Yeah, don’t sweat it, bacon is still on the menu.”

Bacon really clinched the deal for everyone, I’m sure. Circumcision only affected half the population, after all.

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Joe Bacon  Oct 25, 2015 • 8:53:24am

re: #248 Dr Lizardo

Yeah, it would’ve been a whole lot easier to spread early Christianity to the ancient pagan Mediterranean world if Jesus was essentially being posited as an analogue to Perseus and other demigods that part of the world was already very familiar with.

Well, that and dropping the whole circumcision thing and saying, “Yeah, don’t sweat it, bacon is still on the menu.”

Nobody can resist the power of Bacon!

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Romantic Heretic  Oct 25, 2015 • 8:54:16am

re: #236 Dr. Matt

Everything is slavery and Hitler in Carson’s perverse world view.

Except for actual slavery and actual Hitler.

Slavery was great for business and Hitler showed the best way to deal with dissent.

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WhatEVs  Oct 25, 2015 • 8:55:27am

re: #153 HappyWarrior

Of course, doesn’t make that any less fucked up. He could at least pretend to show some empathy to rape victims who get impregnated by their rapists.

Sluts deserved it. Why feel anything? /outer voice of Ben Carson

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Dark_Falcon  Oct 25, 2015 • 8:56:32am

re: #208 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

The angels were on shore leave, and well, boys will be boys …

It’s not gay if its underway.

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Dr Lizardo  Oct 25, 2015 • 8:57:45am

re: #250 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

Bacon really clinched the deal for everyone, I’m sure. Circumcision only affected half the population, after all.

True that. I remember reading somewhere that pork was widely consumed in the ancient Med world, so a strict prohibition on bacon and pork chops would’ve pretty much spelled the end for early Christianity.

“WHADDAYA MEAN, NO BACON?! Screw you, buddy, I’mma going to the Temple of Aphrodite - she’ll let me have bacon….all the bacon I want!!”

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Oct 25, 2015 • 9:00:24am

re: #255 Dr Lizardo

True that. I remember reading somewhere that pork was widely consumed in the ancient Med world, so a strict prohibition on bacon and pork chops would’ve pretty much spelled the end for early Christianity.

“WHADDAYA MEAN, NO BACON?! Screw you, buddy!!”

An early lesson in marketing your product to the widest possible audience.

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I Stand With Planned Parenthood  Oct 25, 2015 • 9:05:43am

bbl

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Oct 25, 2015 • 9:09:00am

me too. sleep time for me

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WhatEVs  Oct 25, 2015 • 9:13:17am

re: #224 I Stand With Planned Parenthood

Alas, I only have one. Here’s a few more.

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Not a Sparkly Vampire  Oct 25, 2015 • 9:17:03am

re: #259 WhatEVs

Alas, I only have one. Here’s a few more.

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I call hax!

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Dr. Matt  Oct 25, 2015 • 9:24:59am
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Jay C  Oct 25, 2015 • 9:32:18am

re: #159 ObserverArt

No no no…you gotta kill the baby snake!

Yeah, and when you get back, you can check in the Bible, and find out that Adam and Eve fell from grace because they were tempted by a porcupine…

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b_sharp  Oct 25, 2015 • 9:40:10am

re: #262 Jay C

Yeah, and when you get back, you can check in the Bible, and find out that Adam and Eve fell from grace because they were tempted by a porcupine…

I thought it was a skunk.

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Eric The Fruit Bat  Oct 25, 2015 • 9:52:19am

re: #71 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

Does any think The Rage Furby will get subpoenaed for his phone and his computer?

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Dr Lizardo  Oct 25, 2015 • 9:54:18am

re: #264 Eric The Fruit Bat

Does any think The Rage Furby will get subpoenaed for his phone and his computer?

His meltdown would be, dare I say, of almost apocalyptic proportions.

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Nyet  Oct 25, 2015 • 10:01:32am

re: #241 Dr Lizardo

I thought Metatron was an archangel.

Well, Mary and the saints aren’t exactly formally divine either ;)

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Eric The Fruit Bat  Oct 25, 2015 • 10:05:47am

re: #241 Dr Lizardo

Now that would be something to see: “Dogma II: The Wrath of the Teenager”.

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Snarknado!  Oct 25, 2015 • 10:12:32am

re: #221 Dr Lizardo

Just idle curiosity on my part, but is there anything in the Jewish religious and spiritual tradition such as the idea of demigods? I would think - and someone please correct me if I’m mistaken in this - that such an idea would certainly have been considered blasphemous in Judaism.

Kabbalistic ideas include the idea of “emanations” from God called Sephiroth, and other mystical ideas. They’re not, strictly speaking, beings, but some Kabbalists don’t seem to be that strict. There is also, as mentioned, Metaron (usually chief of the angels).

Explore these concepts at your own risk. :)

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Feline Fearless Leader  Oct 25, 2015 • 10:19:58am
Half Moon Bay - 1959

Something for the California Lizards.

Also just scanned a slide from the same year where a Japanese tea set was in the background. Same tea set is mounted on the wall in the room I am currently sitting in. :)

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 25, 2015 • 10:27:49am
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Eric The Fruit Bat  Oct 25, 2015 • 10:30:28am

New Entry in The Encyclopedia of American Loons:

Rafael Cruz Sr.!

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Dr Lizardo  Oct 25, 2015 • 10:32:43am

re: #270 Backwoods_Sleuth

Well, that’s a relief.
///

Seriously - is this guy high or something? How can anyone not under the influence of psychoactive substances say such utterly ridiculous and stupid things?

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It's on his hat!  Oct 25, 2015 • 10:37:55am

re: #270 Backwoods_Sleuth

If the shoe was on the other foot, and a Democratic candidate had this kind of behavior in their past, Republicans would be saying that the candidate is not fit to serve as president. However, Carson is getting a pass on his past from Republican voters in Iowa

…because he says the right things about Jeebus.

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Timothy Watson  Oct 25, 2015 • 10:39:03am

re: #270 Backwoods_Sleuth

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When will the RWNJs start calling him a THUG!!1!?

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sagehen  Oct 25, 2015 • 10:39:26am

re: #268 Snarknado!

Kabbalistic ideas include the idea of “emanations” from God called Sephiroth, and other mystical ideas. They’re not, strictly speaking, beings, but some Kabbalists don’t seem to be that strict. There is also, as mentioned, Metaron (usually chief of the angels).

Explore these concepts at your own risk. :)

For “Supernatural” fans, Metatron is God’s scribe. He knows all the secrets, but he’s also a seriously dishonest, manipulative piece of crap. He’s caused Sam and Dean and Cas all kinds of trouble…

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Skip Intro  Oct 25, 2015 • 10:40:18am

re: #270 Backwoods_Sleuth

Read the whole thing here.

nbcnews.com

This guy is 100% nuts, and now he’s the GOP front runner.

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nines09  Oct 25, 2015 • 10:55:27am

Somewhere on a train today….

“He got on last minute yelling at his two secret service agents I think because of a seat mixup, sat down and immediately started making phone calls on the quiet car. After about 10 minutes the conductor asked him to stop or go to another car. He got up and walked out again yelling at his secret service. He was drinking a McDonald’s strawberry smoothie.”

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jaunte  Oct 25, 2015 • 10:56:24am

re: #276 Skip Intro

CHUCK TODD:

Why do you so easily go to Nazi metaphors? You refer to, when you were talking about health care, you referred to a Gestapo. A lot of times, the minute you talk about the Nazis, the minute you talk about the Holocaust, people stop listening.

DR. BEN CARSON:

Although interestingly enough, you know, in the last several weeks, I’ve heard from many people in the Jewish community, including rabbis, who said, “You’re spot on. You are exactly right.” And I think, you know, some of the people in your business quite frankly who like to try to stir things up and try to make this into a big, horrible thing.

I think he’s lying about getting endorsements from the Jewish community about abortion=Holocaust.

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ObserverArt  Oct 25, 2015 • 10:56:53am

I was out shooting some more Ohio fall color images and thought I’d share some of them. Again, I like the colors of everything in the fall, not just the trees. So, that is my goal in these images…capture the whole color range of fall. Also, I got all kinds of light in a three hour period, it went from a brilliant blue sky with some clouds to late day overcast. I hope you like!

Big Darby Lakes in Prairie Oaks Park - October 2015
Fall Colors Madison County Home - October 2015
Pond in Prairie Oaks Park - October 2015
Late Fall Grasses and Trees along Prairie Oaks Park - October 2015
A Nice Row of Trees in Fall Colors Edging a Farm Field - October 2015
Fall Cemetery Just Outside Columbus Darby Creek Metro Parks - October 2015
Front Yard of Columbus Home in Fall - October 2015
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FormerDirtDart  Oct 25, 2015 • 11:01:17am

32 years. Man, I feel old

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ipsos  Oct 25, 2015 • 11:02:30am

re: #278 jaunte

I think he’s lying about getting endorsements from the Jewish community about abortion=Holocaust.

I don’t think he’s lying. Just as with any other religion, Judaism has an intensely conservative side, and I have no doubt that Carson has had endorsements from right-wing Orthodox rabbis. As long as he understands (which he’d never say, publicly) that the majority of the Jewish community in America doesn’t think like that…

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ObserverArt  Oct 25, 2015 • 11:06:10am

Is Dr. Ben Crazy the weird kid in school that was brainy but ignored so he told fantastic stories to get people to pay attention?

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Blind Frog Belly White  Oct 25, 2015 • 11:09:02am

re: #281 ipsos

I don’t think he’s lying. Just as with any other religion, Judaism has an intensely conservative side, and I have no doubt that Carson has had endorsements from right-wing Orthodox rabbis. As long as he understands (which he’d never say, publicly) that the majority of the Jewish community in America doesn’t think like that…

You can always find some one from any group who will agree with crazy-ass stuff that most of that group would find ridiculous or abhorrent. These people are the darlings of whatever group espouses the crazy-ass stuff.

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dholmes32  Oct 25, 2015 • 11:09:26am

OK, so nobody posted this, about a guy named Brent Nicholson found with something like 10,000 guns. And 500 chainsaws.

Pageland man arrested after authorities find thousands of guns piled at home

Deputies also found hunting crossbows; ammunition; taxidermed deer, elk and alligator heads; hunting mounts; tools; air compressors and more than 500 chainsaws - most of it, Brooks said, stolen. There was “so much stuff” that by 3 p.m. Saturday authorities had filled four 40-foot tractor-trailers and taken it to an armory near the sheriff’s office in Chesterfield where the thousands of items will be processed.

charlotteobserver.com

Here’s a tweet with (some of) the guns stacked up:

Dude was apparently buying stolen guns and hoarding them.

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The Vicious Babushka  Oct 25, 2015 • 11:10:09am

re: #221 Dr Lizardo

Just idle curiosity on my part, but is there anything in the Jewish religious and spiritual tradition such as the idea of demigods? I would think - and someone please correct me if I’m mistaken in this - that such an idea would certainly have been considered blasphemous in Judaism.

Judaism has a tradition of malakhim (angels) but malakhim do not eat, drink or have sex, they are spiritual beings who assume the form of humans without the functionality of humans.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Oct 25, 2015 • 11:13:43am

re: #284 dholmes32

I believe someone posted this a day or two ago but it’s a fucked up story nevertheless.

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Stanley Sea Toujours  Oct 25, 2015 • 11:13:56am

re: #284 dholmes32

OK, so nobody posted this, about a guy named Brent Nicholson found with something like 10,000 guns. And 500 chainsaws.

charlotteobserver.com

Here’s a tweet with (some of) the guns stacked up:

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Dude was apparently buying stolen guns and hoarding them.

Cray. Very very cray.

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jaunte  Oct 25, 2015 • 11:14:05am

re: #281 ipsos

re: #283 Blind Frog Belly White

It’s likely that Carson will never name the people he says agree with him on that statement.

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Feline Fearless Leader  Oct 25, 2015 • 11:15:08am

re: #288 jaunte

It’s likely that Carson will never name the people he says agree with him on that statement.

He told them about Harvey, but everyone told him that the pooka vote would not be recognized.

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Skip Intro  Oct 25, 2015 • 11:15:14am

re: #288 jaunte

It’s likely that Carson will never name the people he says agree with him on that statement.

And the “liberal” media will never ask him.

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Skip Intro  Oct 25, 2015 • 11:16:49am

Could this help explain Donald Trump?

The Louder the Monkey, the Smaller Its Balls, Study Finds

motherboard.vice.com

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jaunte  Oct 25, 2015 • 11:17:17am

Oh I forgot, Keith Ablow agrees with whatever Carson says.

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stpaulbear  Oct 25, 2015 • 11:18:28am

re: #284 dholmes32

OK, so nobody posted this, about a guy named Brent Nicholson found with something like 10,000 guns. And 500 chainsaws.

charlotteobserver.com

Here’s a tweet with (some of) the guns stacked up:

[Embedded content]

Dude was apparently buying stolen guns and hoarding them.

The story was posted yesterday, but your comment has more info. Thanks for the update. 500 chainsaws? WTF.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Oct 25, 2015 • 11:18:56am

re: #288 jaunte

It’s likely that Carson will never name the people he says agree with him on that statement.

As if it matters. He’s running in a GOP primary, where the facts don’t matter, and belief trumps reality.

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jaunte  Oct 25, 2015 • 11:19:17am

re: #293 stpaulbear

500 chainsaws? WTF.

He was a Triffid attack prepper.

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ObserverArt  Oct 25, 2015 • 11:20:11am

Later. Going to a Formula One US Grand Prix race-watching party at a buddy’s house. Hopefully the heavy rains have moved out of the Austin Texas area and they can get a dry race in. Or maybe a little rain at the start and then a drying track…that’ll keep the drivers busy and the pit teams too. Have a nice afternoon.

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stpaulbear  Oct 25, 2015 • 11:20:12am

re: #288 jaunte

It’s likely that Carson will never name the people he says agree with him on that statement.

Carson seems like the kind of guy who wouldn’t remember anybody’s name.

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jaunte  Oct 25, 2015 • 11:20:14am

re: #294 Blind Frog Belly White

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Blind Frog Belly White  Oct 25, 2015 • 11:20:14am

re: #295 jaunte

He was a Triffid attack prepper.

500 pole pruners would be more effective against triffid attack.

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CuriousLurker  Oct 25, 2015 • 11:23:01am

These are really cute:

That is all.

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Pawn of the Oppressor  Oct 25, 2015 • 11:24:16am

re: #76 Nyet

This is all so fuzzy. Even people who were there have divided opinions about this.

My father worked on an Army base in Germany in the 60’s. Many of the base staff were older men who had been in the big show. My father recounts that one of these men once said that if Hitler had stopped where he was in 1935, and not gone on to start that big nasty war, he would have gone down in history as one of Germany’s greatest leaders.

There’s a scene in Hans von Luck’s Panzer Commander - great book, by the way - where the author recalls a ski vacation taken in the late 30’s with some of his young friends. In the ski lodge one night they got into a political conversation with an old man who scorned their admiration for Hitler, saying something like “What do you think he’s going to do with all those shiny new tanks and guns? Stand around and admire them?!”

Things that are clear to us now, were not so clear-cut when they were happening. Unless you were Jewish in Germany, maybe, but for people just outside of the regime’s cross-hairs, Hitler might have looked like Donald Trump.

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SteveMcGaziBolaGate  Oct 25, 2015 • 11:24:17am

re: #292 jaunte

Oh I forgot, Keith Ablow agrees with whatever Carson says.

Professional courtesy

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Blind Frog Belly White  Oct 25, 2015 • 11:24:31am

I’m sure I’m not the first to say it, but Triffids were the among the first zombies. Brainless, attracted to sound, able to overcome any fence just by mass action, require the fall of civilization to take over.

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Dr Lizardo  Oct 25, 2015 • 11:25:00am

re: #285 The Vicious Babushka

Thanks for the explanation from yourself and others.

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Dr Lizardo  Oct 25, 2015 • 11:26:29am

re: #300 CuriousLurker

These are really cute:

[Embedded content]

That is all.

There’s a lot of those here in the Czech Republic. I’ll have to get some photos of a few the next time I’m out and about.

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FormerDirtDart  Oct 25, 2015 • 11:26:35am

re: #293 stpaulbear

… 500 chainsaws? WTF.

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Eric The Fruit Bat  Oct 25, 2015 • 11:27:04am

re: #284 dholmes32

Next time on “Hoarders-the NRA Special Edition.”

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Eclectic Cyborg  Oct 25, 2015 • 11:28:38am

The GOP Presidential race is kind of like “Whose Line is it Anyway?”.

Everything is made up and the points don’t matter.

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Dr Lizardo  Oct 25, 2015 • 11:31:22am

I’m outta here. Have a good one, Lizards.

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Snarknado!  Oct 25, 2015 • 11:31:39am

re: #284 dholmes32

OK, so nobody posted this, about a guy named Brent Nicholson found with something like 10,000 guns. And 500 chainsaws.

charlotteobserver.com

Here’s a tweet with (some of) the guns stacked up:

[Embedded content]

Dude was apparently buying stolen guns and hoarding them.

As a non gun-owner, there’s one thing I’ve wondered about these giant hoards — don’t they need some kind of maintenance? How functional would the 10,000 guns be after a few years stacked in the garage?

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allegro  Oct 25, 2015 • 11:32:12am

re: #284 dholmes32

OK, so nobody posted this, about a guy named Brent Nicholson found with something like 10,000 guns. And 500 chainsaws.

charlotteobserver.com

Here’s a tweet with (some of) the guns stacked up:

[Embedded content]

Dude was apparently buying stolen guns and hoarding them.

Hey, he apparently took 10,000 guns off the street. I say thanks and give the guy a cookie.

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CuriousLurker  Oct 25, 2015 • 11:34:56am

re: #300 CuriousLurker

These are really cute:

[Embedded content]

That is all.

Oh gosh, there are tons of them—too cute: belgium roadside chapels

More on the ones in Belgium: Roadside Chapels - Walloon-Belgian Cultural Geography on the Door Peninsula

But check it out, there are also some in Wisconsin, presumably a tradition brought by immigrants: thecompassnews.org

Here’s a map—any lizards in the area(s)?

Video

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CuriousLurker  Oct 25, 2015 • 11:35:56am

re: #305 Dr Lizardo

There’s a lot of those here in the Czech Republic. I’ll have to get some photos of a few the next time I’m out and about.

They’re too cute. They’re like little fairy chapels or something. ;-)

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Dark_Falcon  Oct 25, 2015 • 11:37:44am

re: #310 Snarknado!

As a non gun-owner, there’s one thing I’ve wondered about these giant hoards — don’t they need some kind of maintenance? How functional would the 10,000 guns be after a few years stacked in the garage?

Many of them wouldn’t be functional, but that’s not a though that would influence someone like this. This Brent Nicholson is isn’t a typical “gun guy” or “ammosexual”, he’s a hoarder. Its a compulsive behavior and it defies sense even as militia types understand it.

This guy broke the law, but it was far more about a physiological compulsion than a desire for ‘revolution’ or any type of real gun collection.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Oct 25, 2015 • 11:39:56am

re: #314 Dark_Falcon

Many of them wouldn’t be functional, but that’s not a though that would influence someone like this. This Brent Nicholson is isn’t a typical “gun guy” or “ammosexual”, he’s a hoarder. Its a compulsive behavior and it defies sense even as militia types understand it.

This.

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Dark_Falcon  Oct 25, 2015 • 11:41:11am

re: #311 allegro

Hey, he apparently took 10,000 guns off the street. I say thanks and give the guy a cookie.

Don’t be so quick with that. What if people were stealing guns to sell to this guy? In that case you have people whose property was stolen to feed Nicholson’s compulsion. That’s not a good thing.

Nor is it clear if all of those guns are “off the street”. Because people will have filed police reports and if those included the gun’s serial number (and they usually do), then that person may well get his or her gun back, as they have a right to the return of their stolen property.

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The Vicious Babushka  Oct 25, 2015 • 11:43:05am

I will pray for this mother==>

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SteveMcGaziBolaGate  Oct 25, 2015 • 11:47:52am

re: #317 The Vicious Babushka

My daughter had classmates that everybody assumed were identical until somewhere around seventh grade when one sprouted faster than the other, and now that they’re in high school, they do have concrete differences.

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allegro  Oct 25, 2015 • 11:51:37am

re: #318 SteveMcGaziBolaGate

My daughter had classmates that everybody assumed were identical until somewhere around seventh grade when one sprouted faster than the other, and now that they’re in high school, they do have concrete differences.

My mom had an identical twin. She and my aunt looked very different to me but there were some often hilarious cases of mistaken identity throughout their lives by others.

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Lidane  Oct 25, 2015 • 11:58:36am
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CuriousLurker  Oct 25, 2015 • 12:02:29pm

re: #313 CuriousLurker

Wow, there are even chapels in Antarctica! I like the old one, but the new one is boring.

There’s a chapel on the beach in Greece! How cool is that?

This one in Austria very humble—a little bit scary looking even.

Found them all here, if anyone’s interested: en.wikipedia.org

Yeah, yeah I know I’m prolly standing here talking to myself right now. I don’t care—I’m having fun. Later, lizards. ;-)


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